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Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse Merges with MadLax Lacrosse

(March, 2013)

Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse and MADLAX recently completed a merger that combines both programs. Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse will operate under the MADLAX National program umbrella, with a goal to develop one of the nation�s strongest and most productive club lacrosse platforms and brands. Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse will keep the Rock name and colors and operate as Madlax-Rock of Baltimore. Madlax-Rock will offer all-star teams, camps and clinics for boys ages 8-18. The merger integration is underway and will be completed prior to the start of the summer 2013 season. The merger combines two of the nations most recognized ELITE level club brands.

Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse was founded in 2005. The emphasis for Rock�s establishment was an interest in establishing a Club lacrosse program in the Baltimore/Washington area that offered a team club platform with an added emphasis on position specific team and player development. Kevin Mayer (current Assistant Coach and Defensive Coordinator at CCBC Catonsville) has been Director of Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse since 2006. Coach Mayer has overseen all aspects of the club operations including the strategic mission and the recruiting platform for the high school players in addition to coaching at the High School ELITE level for Rock Sophomore and Junior teams. Kevin Mayer will remain as Director of Madlax-Rock of Baltimore. The current Rock Coaching Staff(s) and team designations will remain in place.

Madlax was founded in 1996 by current owner Cabell Maddux. Madlax offers all-stars travel teams, camps, clinics, leagues, tournaments and has a retail and online store. Madlax All-Stars teams started competing in 1999 with just one team attending Champ Camp. Today Madlax All-Stars has 14 team within Madlax-Capital, 8 team within Madlax-Florida and 4 teams within Madlax-California that will combine with 10 teams from Madlax-Rock. Madlax-Capital All-Stars have placed over 350 boys into NCAA programs. In 2010 Madlax founded and started the only character development initiative within an elite boys lacrosse club called C.A.S.E (character, attitude, success, effort). In 2009 Madlax started its unique �Academy� concept which offers teaching and positional practice and speed workouts 11 months of the year for all players involved in the Capital All-Stars program.

The merger allows both programs to combine administrative resources while enhancing the ability to focus on the most important aspects of the club lacrosse experience: (1) Individual position specific skills development (2) team skills development (3) advisement in the recruiting process for high school players (4) encouraging confidence for our participants during the player developmental process (5) teaching and mentoring the GAME of LACROSSE . The merger also allows for the scaling of the MADLAX National Team platform, which combines the organizations top talent from all of the Clubs operating under the MADLAX national umbrella. The current MADLAX National umbrella includes 36 teams from: Madlax-Rock-Baltimore, Madlax-Capital, Madlax-Florida, and Madlax-California All Star Teams.

�The growth of the club lacrosse platform risks moving away from development of the position specific skills required to become impact lacrosse players, says Mayer. Under the current platform offered by many club organizations the overriding focus is on the team aspects of player development. Player�s participate with their club teams in the fall, spring (for middle school players), summer and the entire annual platform for development provides an emphasis only on the team components of the game. The risk is young developing players are missing the position specific skills development you need to become an ELITE level lacrosse player. When we were young we went to camps in the summer and learned position specific skills that made us better players. With club becoming a key component for youth and High School lacrosse players many young players are missing out on learning position specific skills. It is not unusual for us to get High School players at our tryouts who do not have basic position specific skills sets they need to succeed at their positions. Rock�s mission has always been to focus on both aspects, although as our program grew the administrative load kept us from scaling the teaching component. Madlax�s vision and mission mirrors ours and hence combining resources with Madlax was a no brainer and allows us to streamline the administrative component while significantly scaling the most important part of the cub experience�TEACHING the GAME of LACROSSE!�

Cabell Maddux, Madlax founder adds, �Kevin Mayer has built a quality and respected program in The Rock and we are excited and honored to combine our resources and knowledge to create an the premier elite travel lacrosse program that will positively impact boys living in the greater Baltimore area. I am most excited about spreading the Academy teaching concept, the CASE initiative and enhancing the quality of lacrosse played on the field by Madlax-Rock teams and especially the Madlax National Teams. Our National Teams will provide a unique opportunity for a boy from San Francisco, CA to play on the same outstanding team with a boy from Naples, Fl, McLean, VA, Bethesda, MD and Baltimore, MD. That will be a fun and memorable experience for our Madlax players from across the country!�

Rock will be integrating the Academy based training platform currently in place with Madlax along with the CASE program immediately. The national team platform will start at u13 and go through rising seniors each summer and fall. It provides an opportunity to streamline the recruiting organization at the High School level, provide Middle School players an opportunity to roll out age based National teams, while incentivizing all Madlax players to work to make these teams while combining TOP players from different regions.

A new robust Madlax website will launch in the next few weeks and all the national programs will be included in the new site. Madlax will be exploring further opportunities to add new travel programs to the national platform.

Chesapeake Rock College Commitments

Rock Lacrosse would like to extend gratulations and recognition to our current committed players from our 2015, 2014 and 2013 classes. WE HAVE ADDED SOME UPDATES. See commitment summary below:

2013

Michael LeClair* Mt. Saint Joseph High School Attack High Point University
James Tautkus TAFT School Attack Cornell University
Ryan Drenner* Westminster High School Attack Towson University
Adam Huber Mt. Hebron High School Attack Canisius University
Robbie Dunnigan Landon School Attack Colgate University
Michael Mayer*/** St. Paul's School Defense Georgetown University
Connor Duffy** Choate Defense Lehigh University
AJ Fradkin St. Paul's School Defense UMBC
Jamie McLamb Mt. Hebron High School Defense McDaniel College
Austin Simpson Westminster High School Defense Mercer University
Teddy Chase* Winters Mill High School Defense Salisbury University
Tom Carroll Calvert Hall High School Defense Quinnipiac University
Joey Giarnnas St. Mark's High School Midfield Lynchburg College
Mark Darden** Glenelg High School Midfield Hobart University
Greg Sheetz Boys Latin High School Midfield Hobart Uiversity
Casey Rees Boys Latin High School Midfield Navy
Dylan McDermott**South Carroll High School Midfield UMBC
Ben Linkous St. Paul's High School Midfield UMBC
Anthony Pagnotta** Glenelg High School FOGO Towson University
Mike D'Amelio St. Paul's School FOGO Dennison University
Greg Louzan St. Paul's School Midfield St. Mary's College
DJ Plummer Kent Island High School Midfield Navy

2014

Jason Ashwood Hereford High School Attack High Point
John Guiffreda* Kent Island High School Attack Loyola University
Bailey Martin Salesianum High School Attack Vermont University
Mikey Wynne** St. Paul's High School Attack Cornell University
Johnny Surdick Dematha High School Defense Army
Ryan Hursey Westminster High School Midfield Georgetown University
Tyler Wasson Glenelg High School Midfield Navy
Greyson Torrain Dematha High School Midfield Navy
Nathan Howard St.Johns High School Midfield Vermont University
Brett Malamphy Arundel High School Midfield UMBC

2015

Carter Flaig St. Paul's School Attack Princeton University
Robert Clark McDonogh School Attack Georgetown University
Sean Carter Mt. St. Joseph HS Attack Mercer University

Is the Madlax Rock team that is going to the TriLax tournament a U15 or a 2017 team? They are entered in the rising 9th AA bracket. The only team they have listed on their website is U15AA MadLax Rock. If this is the same team that is going to TriLax they are automatically too old. It is supposed to be a rising 9th AA bracket, not a U15 Bracket.

It is my understanding that Madlax Rock U15 AA team is composed of mostly 2017 gradiating players with some 2018. They are therefore mostly rising 9th graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Madlax Rock team that is going to the TriLax tournament a U15 or a 2017 team? They are entered in the rising 9th AA bracket. The only team they have listed on their website is U15AA MadLax Rock. If this is the same team that is going to TriLax they are automatically too old. It is supposed to be a rising 9th AA bracket, not a U15 Bracket.

Play down much? Shocker....

I think you are assuming the use of multiple "A"'s combined with U15 implies there are rising sophmores on the team.

If the team is mostly 2017 with a few 2018's aren't they in the correct division?

Interesting Blog from Deadspin

saw this posted somewhere else and had to share

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting Blog from Deadspin

saw this posted somewhere else and had to share

This is simply an incredible series of e-mails and provides an extreme example of everything that coaching youth sports should not encompass.

Whether this sequence of e-mails has been editted in any form is secondary to some of the language used by Coach Cabell Maddux including:

You have no clue how this lacrosse world works. Wow. You have really screwed him. And by the way it is a big deal and I will let every one of his teammates know. His teammates will hate him for years for quitting and playing for a rival club. Trust me on that.
If I had any clue which I didn't until right now I would have kicked his butt off the team for not being committed. I dont need Ryan or your craziness. I would much rather work with a kid who is tough and grateful.
Hey ungrateful quitter....
Your former teammates and coaches, who hate you now, can't wait to get a piece of you Saturday when we play vlc.

Surely, this requires more exposure and commentary from the community.

Related articles and industry commentary :

Is Cabell Maddux The Bobby Knight of DC LAX? (Warning : Adult Content, Viewer Discretion Advised)

Facebook Deadspin Group Regarding Article

Really interested in what sort of response is generated from the Madlax organization as well as the individual coach.

I am more interested to see how many players and parents are willing to stay with that organization? The Rock in Baltimore is no better. That merger of clubs was a match made in heaven (or [lacrosse])

I'm surprised this isn't getting more attention.

If this were a Football or Basketball coach the story would likely be covered on ESPN

I am surprised by the lack of convesation on this topic within the lacrosse community

I hope he steps away from Youth lacrosse...his partner at Rock isn't much better...that is a program in decline IMO...better options in Maryland (Crab, Breakers, FCA, Greene Turtle)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If this were a Football or Basketball coach the story would likely be covered on ESPN

I am surprised by the lack of convesation on this topic within the lacrosse community

How is it possible that Inside Lacrosse didnt get a hold of this?

The only question I have for everyone is how do you react when someone steals $650 or a lot more from you? And when that same person looks you in the eyes several times and lies to you, how would you react? Also this person who lied to your face and stole $650 or more from you, you helped them get there child into a school that turns down 100's of kids and cost 35k a year? I just think all of you would just be smart and not email this parent with your thoughts! But I am sure you all would feel the way he felt. As for him as a person he knows every kid by first and last name from U9 to 2014 teams, He can name each kids streghts and weaknesses. Every kid that comes threw his teams gets better. If you are the type of parent that kisses your kids butts and tell them they are always right and prefect Madlax is not for you. As for the Rock program I have no idea if they are good or bad.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

The only question I have for everyone is how do you react when someone steals $650 or a lot more from you?

Madlax Dad, thank you for joining the discussion.

Now, before we start, we will let you know that we strongly disagree with your view - but that is fine. We welcome the different views, so let's begin.

Define steal. Giving or awarding a player a "scholarship", most likely because the kid is a "player", is a decision made to attract the player to remain with the club or to cover family financial shortfalls.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

and lies to you, how would you react?

If you ask me, it would seem that the "club director" did not "know" his players and their families as well as he/she thinks.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

Also this person who lied to your face and stole $650 or more from you, you helped them get there child into a school that turns down 100's of kids and cost 35k a year?

Please stop. The child - an eighth grader - is not getting $35,000 in scholarship money and we still disagree with the steal assertion. At some point, being a coach is about HELPING the player achieve his or her goals, not attaining your own goals as an adult.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

I just think all of you would just be smart and not email this parent with your thoughts! But I am sure you all would feel the way he felt.

As a youth coach for more than a decade, there is nothing - and I mean nothing - that would cause me to write or address a youngster as this e-mail chain indicated.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

As for him as a person he knows every kid by first and last name from U9 to 2014 teams, He can name each kids streghts and weaknesses.

Naming the kids and knowing the kids are different skill sets.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

Every kid that comes threw his teams gets better.

Glad to know that the kids who come through the program improve, but development of a student-athlete extends beyond lacrosse skills.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

If you are the type of parent that kisses your kids butts and tell them they are always right and prefect Madlax is not for you.

This is not about parents coddling their children. This is exclusively about an out-of-control coach that should have known better.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

As for the Rock program I have no idea if they are good or bad.

"Sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas."

I like how you broke down everything I wrote nice work with that. Well as for the cuddling, My understanding is the kid left the program because he was not being told he was great and prefect at all times. I know its hard to tell from the email but Coach does not call the players names and tell them they are bad people. What he does do is point out the faults as they do them. He gets to the point very quickly and clearly. This is how All-Star "futrue All Americans" should be treated. They are told they are great and prefect everywhere they go. And you can see in Pro sports what kids that are told they are great and can do no wrong turn into. I agree in a "Rec" team where kids are not all "egual/ future stars" You have to coach a certain way. I agree Coach lost control in this case and I am sure he agrees he did also. I can tell you as a whole the parents are not going anywhere that are in the program. As for new parents coming to Madlax thats where the club could be hurt.
The steal word was for effect, lets say they cond him out of the money is that better. If they took the $650 and need that money then they really really owe him for getting there kid into that school. If they took the $650 and didnt need the money because they can afford a 35k school thats stealing in my eyes. I am not very smart but I can see how people who do not know the team well and the coach well this looks very very bad. And this story gives people a place to complain threw this story about all the bad coaches they have had over there lives. I can tell you that all the kids at Madlax are safe and everyone can sleep tonight knowing that they are safe and sound.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse Merges with MadLax Lacrosse

(March, 2013)

Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse and MADLAX recently completed a merger that combines both programs. Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse will operate under the MADLAX National program umbrella, with a goal to develop one of the nation�s strongest and most productive club lacrosse platforms and brands. Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse will keep the Rock name and colors and operate as Madlax-Rock of Baltimore.

Multiple reports circulating in the last 24 hours suggest that Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse have withdrawn from their relationship with the MadLax program.

It is important to note that BOTC has NOT been able to independently confirm the veracity (SAT Word of the Day) of this story nor have we been able to confirm whether the previously posted links were a catalyst (ACT Word of the Day) in the decision.

Madlax Dad: it seems clear that this family took "free" or "discounted" lacrosse from the coach and the program. And it also appears the boy got into a very good school with a very good lacrosse program, at least in part (and perhaps in full) due to the boy's association with the program and the coach's efforts on his behalf. His involvement in the program certainly did not hurt.

I for one agree with the coach when he complained the family was ungrateful. People quit all the time, often for good reasons. And it seems the parents recognized that their son wasn't the next Rabil, which is fair. But what makes them ungrateful is they severed ties in an email to the coach, and did not have the courtesy to speak with him in person. That might have been a scary conversation to have, but sometimes you need to have the courage to face up to that. Moreover, they apparently refused to call the coach after being asked several times to talk. They really did owe the coach and the program more. Had they done so, the results might have been completely different.

And because they controlled the process via email, and chose to ignore requests to talk in person, the parents (inadvertently or otherwise) were setting up someone they likely knew had trouble controlling his emotions. Add to this the fact that only select emails were published from the chain ... we haven't seen the emails from the parents where they are fueling the fire by telling the coach to "Re: Lax" etc. So, they are not innocent in this by a long shot.

That said, an adult simply can't go after a minor like that. Calling people ungrateful might be warranted and true, but the threats cross the line. A coach at any level has to exercise more control over his emotions. While this player and his parents owed him a phone call, the coach owed you guys, your boys, and the organization more restraint and common sense.

Very sorry this played out as it did.

Run from this program as fast as you can. It started with, I can't make practice because of finals and the coach replies with an insane response. They are STUDENTS first. If the parents kept this kid in the program than they are just as bad as the coach. Don't try and spin this on the family that left. This is about an out of control coach/founder that really doesn't care about his players!!!

The bottom line is the people in the program will look at this as a hole not this one case. And come up with the best thing from them.

Also anyone who says people should run from Madlax, Please name/rank the clubs in Va where these kids should play and for who they should play for at each level. Then we can all take turns bringing up stories about each coach or club until there is no one left to play for.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

Also anyone who says people should run from Madlax, Please name/rank the clubs in Va where these kids should play and for who they should play for at each level. Then we can all take turns bringing up stories about each coach or club until there is no one left to play for.

C'mon dude. Dont defend this disrespectful, manipulative control freak. He is abusive! period! He should step away now. Think Rutgers....

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

Also anyone who says people should run from Madlax, Please name/rank the clubs in Va where these kids should play and for who they should play for at each level. Then we can all take turns bringing up stories about each coach or club until there is no one left to play for.

Blackwolf?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

Also anyone who says people should run from Madlax, Please name/rank the clubs in Va where these kids should play and for who they should play for at each level. Then we can all take turns bringing up stories about each coach or club until there is no one left to play for.

C'mon dude. Dont defend this disrespectful, manipulative control freak. He is abusive! period! He should step away now. Think Rutgers....

Madlaxdad? No response? Tell us how this coaches actions are different from thosenwe have seen recently in the news. Abuse, intimidation, manipulation. Educators would be fired and prosecuted for this and you want us to sweep it under the rug. Let's hear from you!

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

The only question I have for everyone is how do you react when someone steals $650 or a lot more from you? And when that same person looks you in the eyes several times and lies to you, how would you react? Also this person who lied to your face and stole $650 or more from you, you helped them get there child into a school that turns down 100's of kids and cost 35k a year? I just think all of you would just be smart and not email this parent with your thoughts! But I am sure you all would feel the way he felt. As for him as a person he knows every kid by first and last name from U9 to 2014 teams, He can name each kids streghts and weaknesses. Every kid that comes threw his teams gets better. If you are the type of parent that kisses your kids butts and tell them they are always right and prefect Madlax is not for you. As for the Rock program I have no idea if they are good or bad.

I was hoping you were a parody poster, but clearly you are a Madlax dad. Refuting your points will be like shooting fish in a barrel.

1. Without knowing the exact amount, this family did not STEAL money from the owner. They asked and were granted financial aid, which every club gives. Nobody put a gun to Cabell's head. He chose to give them support, at least partly because the kid can play and help his teams win. Be it a youth club or a school, financial aid is a GIFT that an organization grants because they deem it worthwhile. If someone attends Notre Dame, receives a scholarship, and then transfers, did that family STEAL from the school? Of course not. These kids are not indentured servants. If he left (after the season was over, mind you), that is his right. Most normal human beings would wish them well, perhaps invite them back if they don't find things better elsewhere, etc. That is called being an adult.

2. The kid did not need Cabell's help getting into Landon. Are you kidding me? Landon is going to take a kid who can play regardless of what Maddux would say. Not sure which is funnier - Cabell's assertion that he is responsible for the kid attending Landon, or that you believe it.

3. I would not have handled the situation similarly because I am an adult. If a kid wants to leave, wish him well and don't burn bridges. Everyone is allowed to act in what they think is in their son's best interests.

4. Madlax is a better program now because of VLC. Before VLC was started, Madlax took the DC market for granted. You clearly were not part of the program back then. The teams rarely practiced and the coaching was sporadic. Madlax was forced to improve its offering because their program was gutted by tons of kids leaving for VLC. To your point, the owner often neglected several teams and only focused on the most succesful ones. He made things better because of the competition, although now you have to pay a ridiculous monthly fee which costs you more in the long run and keeps people hostage.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

I like how you broke down everything I wrote nice work with that. Well as for the cuddling, My understanding is the kid left the program because he was not being told he was great and prefect at all times. I know its hard to tell from the email but Coach does not call the players names and tell them they are bad people. What he does do is point out the faults as they do them. He gets to the point very quickly and clearly. This is how All-Star "futrue All Americans" should be treated. They are told they are great and prefect everywhere they go. And you can see in Pro sports what kids that are told they are great and can do no wrong turn into. I agree in a "Rec" team where kids are not all "egual/ future stars" You have to coach a certain way. I agree Coach lost control in this case and I am sure he agrees he did also. I can tell you as a whole the parents are not going anywhere that are in the program. As for new parents coming to Madlax thats where the club could be hurt.
The steal word was for effect, lets say they cond him out of the money is that better. If they took the $650 and need that money then they really really owe him for getting there kid into that school. If they took the $650 and didnt need the money because they can afford a 35k school thats stealing in my eyes. I am not very smart but I can see how people who do not know the team well and the coach well this looks very very bad. And this story gives people a place to complain threw this story about all the bad coaches they have had over there lives. I can tell you that all the kids at Madlax are safe and everyone can sleep tonight knowing that they are safe and sound.

1. That is not why the kid left the program. But even if that were the case, these families are not slaves. If they choose to leave, they should not have to endure such vitriolic dribble that sounds like it was written by a 13 year old.

2. You are incorrect. There are a lot of families who are bolting for other programs because of this email.

3. Your attempt to defend this email is sad. Are you aware that similar emails/threats were lobbed at other Madlax parents who left the program for other clubs? This is not an isolated incident.

4. Whatever scholarship money was granted to this family is none of our business. As for Landon, how do you know they aren't getting financial assistance for that school as well (as many students there do receive support)?

5. I agree you are not very smart.

6. If you are happy being part of a program that threatens anyone who leaves, that's your call. Many Madlax families are disgusted and embarrassed.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

The bottom line is the people in the program will look at this as a hole not this one case. And come up with the best thing from them.

This program has sent similar emails/threats to others who left for other clubs.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

Also anyone who says people should run from Madlax, Please name/rank the clubs in Va where these kids should play and for who they should play for at each level. Then we can all take turns bringing up stories about each coach or club until there is no one left to play for.

Blackwolf and VLC both have superior HS programs. And U13 and below, Madlax has the numbers, but that is changing now that people know how this club is run.

And neither club above charges a monthly fee.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

Also anyone who says people should run from Madlax, Please name/rank the clubs in Va where these kids should play and for who they should play for at each level. Then we can all take turns bringing up stories about each coach or club until there is no one left to play for.

VLC much better, Club Blue will be a good squad next year. MAdLax is finished, hearing players are leaving quickly

Every current MadLax parent we spoke with over the past 2 tournament weekends is returning even with "the email"

Not sure who is running

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every current MadLax parent we spoke with over the past 2 tournament weekends is returning even with "the email"

Not sure who is running

Keep telling yourself that. Some of them are staying because they don't have the stones to say to their kid, "What this man has done (and done before) is wrong, and we are not going to be associated with it". Others will be trying for other clubs and will bolt if they can make those teams (hence the need to remain silent if they don't make it. And others will try out and see what happens, but don't want to rock the boat just yet.

The fact that you need to poll other parents shows that you are nervous, too. As you should be. That house of cards is about to fall apart. More news is likely coming.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every current MadLax parent we spoke with over the past 2 tournament weekends is returning even with "the email"

Not sure who is running

This should not be a contest. If you are not "running" then your morals and parenting ability is in question. Why would you stay and subject your kid and yourself to this type of abuse. Cause you want a scholarship?? Sad really!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every current MadLax parent we spoke with over the past 2 tournament weekends is returning even with "the email"

Not sure who is running

This should not be a contest. If you are not "running" then your morals and parenting ability is in question. Why would you stay and subject your kid and yourself to this type of abuse. Cause you want a scholarship?? Sad really!

You are a bad parent if you want your son to get great coaching an play a sport with his friends? Every club has its issues

As for Landon, my son goes there and having someone vouch for you to get in can help - especially with lacrosse

And no - I have no expectation of my child getting a lacrosse scholarship

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every current MadLax parent we spoke with over the past 2 tournament weekends is returning even with "the email"

Not sure who is running

This should not be a contest. If you are not "running" then your morals and parenting ability is in question. Why would you stay and subject your kid and yourself to this type of abuse. Cause you want a scholarship?? Sad really!

You are a bad parent if you want your son to get great coaching an play a sport with his friends? Every club has its issues

As for Landon, my son goes there and having someone vouch for you to get in can help - especially with lacrosse

And no - I have no expectation of my child getting a lacrosse scholarship

Every club has it's issues? LOL. Maddux has pissed off people for decades. Look at how he has been fired from every HS job he's ever had.

If you knew anything, you'd know that the kid did not need Maddux to get into Landon. Plenty of other lacrosse people were vouching for him - he didn't need Maddux to do anything. The Bordleys aren't stupid - they know he can play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every club has it's issues? LOL. Maddux has pissed off people for decades. Look at how he has been fired from every HS job he's ever had.

If you knew anything, you'd know that the kid did not need Maddux to get into Landon. Plenty of other lacrosse people were vouching for him - he didn't need Maddux to do anything. The Bordleys aren't stupid - they know he can play.

BOTC is pleased to know that this discussion is involving participants from Maryland, Washington DC, North Carolina, Virginia, and New [lacrosse]. While this discussion about MadLax lacrosse might be seen as a Maryland "problem" with a Maryland "program", the letters that have been made public should be a cause for pause for parents in every lacrosse program to think about how their student-athletes are being respected.

BOTC has received numerous reports from parents who state that they are in the process of leaving the MadLax program over this national story and the approach of Cabell Maddux towards this player and family. There is no situation in coaching that I have every encountered that can justify this coach's attitude. As a coach on the national and regional levels in soccer, the pressure to have a team perform and to place players with college coaches is strong in both sports, but never could I imagine losing sight of the student-athlete's needs first.

The other coaches in the Madlax family are all very good people and coaches. And they all handle themselves with class as I have seen.
I had my son read the emails, He also has read what most of the people out here in the cyber world are saying about his club. And he wants to stay with Madlax 100%. I said what do you think about what coach wrote to this kid and his parents. He said " I am not going to quit when I get yelled at". He also said Maddox yells at all of us but he is always right about what he is yelling. I find it kinda funny that this is all over some bad emails. Yes really bad emails but emails. This world is becoming very soft when we get upset over some harsh emails. No child was punched or push to the ground. My son can handle harsh words you would think some parents could also.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad

The other coaches in the Madlax family are all very good people and coaches. And they all handle themselves with class as I have seen.
I had my son read the emails, He also has read what most of the people out here in the cyber world are saying about his club. And he wants to stay with Madlax 100%. I said what do you think about what coach wrote to this kid and his parents. He said " I am not going to quit when I get yelled at". He also said Maddox yells at all of us but he is always right about what he is yelling. I find it kinda funny that this is all over some bad emails. Yes really bad emails but emails. This world is becoming very soft when we get upset over some harsh emails. No child was punched or push to the ground. My son can handle harsh words you would think some parents could also.

As I wrote, I could never imagine not having the student-athlete's interest front and center in my coaching career. Do you believe that the student-athlete's well-being was front and center in the coach's thinking? That is a straight forward "Yes" or "No" question.

NO but Maddox is not my sons father I am. It will not kill him or harm him for life to be treated harsh or mean. It will help him deal with life in the real world. Maddox is a D__k I am fine with it. My boss just yelled at me and called me names I am out of here. My high school coach is a real hard A-- I guess I am not playing High School Lacrosse. I guess I am coiming from a Working Class life style and I will never get this new way of handling things.

Originally Posted by CageSage

BOTC has received numerous reports from parents who state that they are in the process of leaving the MadLax program over this national story and the approach of Cabell Maddux towards this player and family. There is no situation in coaching that I have every encountered that can justify this coach's attitude. As a coach on the national and regional levels in soccer, the pressure to have a team perform and to place players with college coaches is strong in both sports, but never could I imagine losing sight of the student-athlete's needs first.

You mention soccer

As a manager of a Region 1 League soccer team I have had the opportunity to be a part of the sidelines while playing the highest level of competition from around the east coast during league play and country during tournaments.

I have heard some of the nastiest words come out of these coaches directed at their players. The only difference is they weren't in an email to be posted on the internet

What Cabel did wasn't right, but there is some over-reaction going on

Agree about the over reacting. A lot of holier than though, absolutism and judgment going on here. Cabell was wrong no doubt, but there is a lot of madlax baby folks think should be tossed out with the bath water.

Cabel was wrong, but did you ever watch te screaming going on on the VLC sidelines? That program no better, especially now that they were "acquired" by the evil empire...Club Blue seems a great alternative in the Virginia region

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabel was wrong, but did you ever watch te screaming going on on the VLC sidelines? That program no better, especially now that they were "acquired" by the evil empire...Club Blue seems a great alternative in the Virginia region

Wrong. VLC is a non-profit, whereas the profits of Madlax go into Cabell's pockets. There is no comparison which program is better.

As for screaming, there is no coach in the VLC program that berates players or goes over the line. I don't think Madlax has any, either, although they used to. But when Cabell coaches, he acts like a maniac.

But coaching decorum isn't the issue. Threatening a kid and family just for deciding to leave is indefensible.

As for Club Blue, it is very affordable, but that program has seen a decline in talent. It's not a good option for a VA kid unless your son is going to Prep.

Madlax does not have a single parent as a coach or helping coach there own kid. This is why I do not mind paying the extra money. If my kid gets benched or cut I know it had nothing to do with someones Dad. Also if someone is getting paid to do a job they tend to care a lot more about the job they are doing. High school coaches get paid where is the out rage for that. I would also guess that the madlax coaches get paid around what a high school coach gets paid. Also kids today are treated better then they have ever been treated. So if they get yelled at for a total of 6 hours a week they will live I promise you. These are all-star players they are told there _ _ _ _ does not stink there whole life. Everyone needs to be taken down a bit once in a while.

We were with three other local clubs prior to madlax, and feel that Madlax is worth the extra money for the following reasons:

Madlax is very organized and well run partly because they have paid full-time employees, and it makes a HUGE difference.

Many of the games are filmed and photographed by a professional photographer.

Great coaches with years of experience, some are head coaches at local private schools, others are graduates from top D1 schools.

The team camp at Catholic University is unique to madlax, and only for madlax players. The price of the camp is half of what you�d pay elsewhere.

When I send an email, I ALWAYS get a prompt response.

When I ask how my son can improve, I receive a three paged email outlining his strengths and weaknesses, and what he can do to improve

Great continuity between teams and age groups - the same team concepts are taught at every level.. When the kids age up and get a new coach, they are already familiar the offense and defense.

Free positional and speed workouts in the fall and winter

There is no team fee, just the monthly charge. Although, the monthly charge may turn out to be slightly more expensive, they are not significantly more compared to seasonal team fees from other clubs.

Free recruiting seminars

Discounted camps and clinics

Direct access and invites to some of the best recruiting camps.

The PP post mentioned there are no parents and affiliations with ANY rec league, and therefore, the Madlax coaches can remain objective. To my knowledge, there aren�t any other clubs that can claim this. Most have local rec coaches (i.e Great Falls, Vienna, Chantilly, etc.) coaching the teams.

At the youth AA level (u9 � u15), every team is competitive, and finished in the top tier of NPYLL (top 5). The next closest club was Next Level with 2 teams in the top 5 and VLC with 1 team in the top 5.

The teams are consistently good each year, at least since we�ve been involved 3 years ago.

When you factor in the workouts, the discounted team camp/ clinics, and the extra attention by full-time employees, we feel we get more for our money at Madlax.

I should also mention, this is not meant to be a comparison of clubs, so please don�t respond with �oh yeah, well my club does x, y, or z.� Since the price of Madlax has been questioned in this forum and others, I�m simply outlining the reasons why, for us, madlax is worth the additional expense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We were with three other local clubs prior to madlax, and feel that Madlax is worth the extra money for the following reasons:

Madlax is very organized and well run partly because they have paid full-time employees, and it makes a HUGE difference.

Many of the games are filmed and photographed by a professional photographer.

Great coaches with years of experience, some are head coaches at local private schools, others are graduates from top D1 schools.

The team camp at Catholic University is unique to madlax, and only for madlax players. The price of the camp is half of what you�d pay elsewhere.

When I send an email, I ALWAYS get a prompt response.

When I ask how my son can improve, I receive a three paged email outlining his strengths and weaknesses, and what he can do to improve

Great continuity between teams and age groups - the same team concepts are taught at every level.. When the kids age up and get a new coach, they are already familiar the offense and defense.

Free positional and speed workouts in the fall and winter

There is no team fee, just the monthly charge. Although, the monthly charge may turn out to be slightly more expensive, they are not significantly more compared to seasonal team fees from other clubs.

Free recruiting seminars

Discounted camps and clinics

Direct access and invites to some of the best recruiting camps.

The PP post mentioned there are no parents and affiliations with ANY rec league, and therefore, the Madlax coaches can remain objective. To my knowledge, there aren�t any other clubs that can claim this. Most have local rec coaches (i.e Great Falls, Vienna, Chantilly, etc.) coaching the teams.

At the youth AA level (u9 � u15), every team is competitive, and finished in the top tier of NPYLL (top 5). The next closest club was Next Level with 2 teams in the top 5 and VLC with 1 team in the top 5.

The teams are consistently good each year, at least since we�ve been involved 3 years ago.

When you factor in the workouts, the discounted team camp/ clinics, and the extra attention by full-time employees, we feel we get more for our money at Madlax.

I should also mention, this is not meant to be a comparison of clubs, so please don�t respond with �oh yeah, well my club does x, y, or z.� Since the price of Madlax has been questioned in this forum and others, I�m simply outlining the reasons why, for us, madlax is worth the additional expense.

So you have no problem with the owner threatening his own clients and their kids, eh?

Ok we get it Madlax is whats wrong with youth sports, How much longer must we hear about this Da__n email and how bad our owner is. We get it, now get over it. We are not going anywhere. If you can start a program and have 17 or so teams that play at a very high level please start it today and send me a email. I will be waiting! The owner will not go off on my kid like he did this kid and his family because if we where to quit the team I would walk up to him or call him to let him know we where leaving and explain why we are leaving. Like the adult that I am. I do not tell you how bad it is you are babying your kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok we get it Madlax is whats wrong with youth sports, How much longer must we hear about this Da__n email and how bad our owner is. We get it, now get over it. We are not going anywhere. If you can start a program and have 17 or so teams that play at a very high level please start it today and send me a email. I will be waiting! The owner will not go off on my kid like he did this kid and his family because if we where to quit the team I would walk up to him or call him to let him know we where leaving and explain why we are leaving. Like the adult that I am. I do not tell you how bad it is you are babying your kid.

You are an insipid fool. Regardless if the family spoke to him in person, on the phone or via email, nothing justifies a response like that.

This wasn't an isolated episode. He has done the same thing to several other families. Thank God we have Madlax years ago for a better program. Hope you enjoy paying $1,500+ extra dollars a year for that Academy. LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok we get it Madlax is whats wrong with youth sports, How much longer must we hear about this Da__n email and how bad our owner is. We get it, now get over it. We are not going anywhere. If you can start a program and have 17 or so teams that play at a very high level please start it today and send me a email. I will be waiting! The owner will not go off on my kid like he did this kid and his family because if we where to quit the team I would walk up to him or call him to let him know we where leaving and explain why we are leaving. Like the adult that I am. I do not tell you how bad it is you are babying your kid.

Back of THE CAGE expanded our coverage into the Mid-Atlantic Region within two weeks of this story having broken. The following post is what we here are BOTC offered to the community upon reading about Cabell Maddux's outburst.

Originally Posted by CageSage Authored Information

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting Blog from Deadspin

saw this posted somewhere else and had to share

This is simply an incredible series of e-mails and provides an extreme example of everything that coaching youth sports should not encompass.

Whether this sequence of e-mails has been editted in any form is secondary to some of the language used by Coach Cabell Maddux including:

You have no clue how this lacrosse world works. Wow. You have really screwed him. And by the way it is a big deal and I will let every one of his teammates know. His teammates will hate him for years for quitting and playing for a rival club. Trust me on that.
If I had any clue which I didn't until right now I would have kicked his butt off the team for not being committed. I dont need Ryan or your craziness. I would much rather work with a kid who is tough and grateful.
Hey ungrateful quitter....
Your former teammates and coaches, who hate you now, can't wait to get a piece of you Saturday when we play vlc.

Surely, this requires more exposure and commentary from the community.

Now, I personally have coached youth players from the ages of nine through their collegiate careers. In my wildest dreams, I could never have imagined using the following terms in front of a player:

"... teammates will hate him ..."
"... ungrateful quitter ..."
"... hate you now ..."
"... can't wait to get a piece of you ..."

Here, this alleged coach just did not SAY these words in the heat of the situation, but actually WROTE these letters to the player and his family.

This is not a "now get over it" situation. This is a serious situation of at least bullying and potentially so much more.

As for the owner not going off on your kid, how do you know?

Worse yet, will you be there to protect him when he does?

So all I keep hearing is he is evil, and the worst person on earth. He is not going to quit and the parents are not going to leave the program. So what is all of you guys end game? When will you let it go? Here is a idea start a new program pay for coaches and save all the poor madlax kids from this evil man. When you get this done my kid will be safe from all harm and name calling for life. Thank you for making the lacrosse world safe.Now I just have to find someone to save my kids from all the other evil mean name calling people out there. Oh wait I can just teach him to man up and deal with life as it comes to you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok we get it Madlax is whats wrong with youth sports, How much longer must we hear about this Da__n email and how bad our owner is. We get it, now get over it. We are not going anywhere. If you can start a program and have 17 or so teams that play at a very high level please start it today and send me a email. I will be waiting! The owner will not go off on my kid like he did this kid and his family because if we where to quit the team I would walk up to him or call him to let him know we where leaving and explain why we are leaving. Like the adult that I am. I do not tell you how bad it is you are babying your kid.

You are an insipid fool. Regardless if the family spoke to him in person, on the phone or via email, nothing justifies a response like that.

This wasn't an isolated episode. He has done the same thing to several other families. Thank God we have Madlax years ago for a better program. Hope you enjoy paying $1,500+ extra dollars a year for that Academy. LOL.

Insipid fool? Wow, way to practice what you appear to expect from others. To which program did you move after "have" Madlax years ago?

I think what is missing here is confirmation that this is real. This forum can be 100% anonymous yet no one has come forward to confirm or deny these allegations.

I think that is suspicious on two fronts. If it is NOT true MadLax specifically Cabel should be screaming foul from the highest hill. If it is TRUE where are the other players who have suffered the same attacks.

This appears to be something requiring a deeper look.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think what is missing here is confirmation that this is real. This forum can be 100% anonymous yet no one has come forward to confirm or deny these allegations.

I think that is suspicious on two fronts. If it is NOT true MadLax specifically Cabel should be screaming foul from the highest hill. If it is TRUE where are the other players who have suffered the same attacks.

This appears to be something requiring a deeper look.

LOL. It is 100% real. Cabell is laying low (and lawyering up) because he does not want to draw any more attention to it. Nothing was doctored. And yes, other people have received similar threats.

Ask current Madlax parents. They will tell you it is real and they are hoping the entire episode will be forgotten soon.

Well the evil email must not of scared to many kids away from the evil madlax. There was 85 kids at the U13 and somewhere around 65 at the U15 try outs yesterday. Just thought you all would like a update.

All the kids who couldn't make the VLC team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well the evil email must not of scared to many kids away from the evil madlax. There was 85 kids at the U13 and somewhere around 65 at the U15 try outs yesterday. Just thought you all would like a update.

Truth be told, BOTC would not want the "evil club" to fold or disband. Why you ask? When clubs fold, the coaches scatter, form new clubs, and pop-up elsewhere with the hope that no one remembers the past.

Unlike other sources, BOTC remembers history and serves as a recording to be played back at any point. With MadLax staying place, it simply means that we do not have to do any work to track down the coaches again!

As for the numbers at tryouts, BOTC simply hopes that all of the parents and players have made an intelligent choice for their own situation.

There is only one coach that you have a problem with not all the coaches. I am aware you are judged by the company you keep but to say that all the coaches in the madlax program are like the owner is way off base and kinda messed up. I would like to invite you out to any madlax practice or game. Then you can come back on here with a informed thought not just hearsay and a bad email by the owner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is only one coach that you have a problem with not all the coaches. I am aware you are judged by the company you keep but to say that all the coaches in the madlax program are like the owner is way off base and kinda messed up. I would like to invite you out to any madlax practice or game. Then you can come back on here with a informed thought not just hearsay and a bad email by the owner.

Since you responded to our BOTC posting, some return thoughts for the community.

(1)BOTC never commented about other coaches in the program. We agree that you are judged by the company you keep.

(2) BOTC has already seen a MadLax performance however thank you for the invitation.

(3) Our opinion is well informed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is only one coach that you have a problem with not all the coaches. I am aware you are judged by the company you keep but to say that all the coaches in the madlax program are like the owner is way off base and kinda messed up. I would like to invite you out to any madlax practice or game. Then you can come back on here with a informed thought not just hearsay and a bad email by the owner.

It was not a "bad email" by the owner. He has said and written similar things to other people in the program who left.

As for coaches, Madlax has several good ones. They've also had ones who were dismissed because of arguing with refs, getting thrown out of games, etc.

Don't minimize this as a "bad email". The fact that you can justify threatening a kid and family is unbelievable.

I think there is a difference between over reacting or babying kids, and desiring to play somewhere that your children's interests are more paramount. As for other places to play, Next Level Lacrosse in Bethesda has a lot of players from north VA on their teams. They fell off for a few years but they have some really top notch former college and MLL players that coach their teams now, and they have their own facility to do training in. I've watched their teams play mad lax teams and they may lose to them early in the fall but by the spring they frequently outperform them which suggests superior coaching and training.

Next Level is not competitive with the top Madlax teams or others at AA level, Spring or Fall. Its program has fallen off a cliff in terms of talent. Not sure what happened. Kids that used to go to Next Level or Club Blue are now playing for Bethesda. Check standings in the Next Level Fall League or NPYLL (Spring).

VLC is not competitive at youth level in WashDC. They seem to be very disorganized, and have inconsistent coaching. In fact, VLC recently entered the U13AA team in the B bracket at the NPYLL Autumn Classic. Again, check the standings of the Next Level Fall League or NPYLL league.

They are strong and well coached at HS, 2017 and older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think there is a difference between over reacting or babying kids, and desiring to play somewhere that your children's interests are more paramount. As for other places to play, Next Level Lacrosse in Bethesda has a lot of players from north VA on their teams. They fell off for a few years but they have some really top notch former college and MLL players that coach their teams now, and they have their own facility to do training in. I've watched their teams play mad lax teams and they may lose to them early in the fall but by the spring they frequently outperform them which suggests superior coaching and training.

NL is a 2nd rate club these days. They can't field HS teams, and the kids they get are not top caliber. Not sure what Laco is doing out there.

With all the negatively around quality in the other area programs, is it the suggestion that people stay with madlax beacause they have nowhere else to go?

That is absolutely correct. VLC has some very good 2015 and 2017 teams, but have been unable to glue it together at the youth levels. They dropped U-11 alltogether this Fall after fits and starts and coaching turnover.

Or, stick with Madlax because it's a great program, with incredibly talented kids, and knowledgable coaches that don't change every season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is absolutely correct. VLC has some very good 2015 and 2017 teams, but have been unable to glue it together at the youth levels. They dropped U-11 alltogether this Fall after fits and starts and coaching turnover.

Very good? VLC's 2015 and 2017 teams are in the top 3-5 in the country, and indisputably the best in the DC area by a large margin.

Your comment about VLC's youth program is also misleading. Their excellent 2017 team was considered a youth team just a few months ago. VLC's 2016 team was one of the best in the country when they were U15. Their 2018 and 2019/2020 teams are just ok right now, for sure. But just like every club, some years are stronger than others. There also has not been coaching turnover, at least not more than any other club.

My comment on the youth teams are spot on. The U-11 program was a debacle that was shut down, and the current U-13 and U-15 teams strain to hang on at the AA brackets, and often play A brackets now to be competitive. Full disclosure: I had a kid play on a VLC U-13 team, he was not one of their best players on a so-so team and we moved to MadLax and are happy.

The VLC 2015 team is terrific, and the VLC 2017 team is too. As U-15s this 2017 VLC team won the Delaware MVP and has some first flight players including four players already weighing ACC offers. They have unquestionably the best attack player, the best midfielder and the best goalie in the area all of whom also go to Landon and are weighing offers from every top D1 program right now, so look out for that high school team in years to come.

But let's not confuse two high school teams with a youth program. At the youth level VLC has some work to do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My comment on the youth teams are spot on. The U-11 program was a debacle that was shut down, and the current U-13 and U-15 teams strain to hang on at the AA brackets, and often play A brackets now to be competitive. Full disclosure: I had a kid play on a VLC U-13 team, he was not one of their best players on a so-so team and we moved to MadLax and are happy.

The VLC 2015 team is terrific, and the VLC 2017 team is too. As U-15s this 2017 VLC team won the Delaware MVP and has some first flight players including four players already weighing ACC offers. They have unquestionably the best attack player, the best midfielder and the best goalie in the area all of whom also go to Landon and are weighing offers from every top D1 program right now, so look out for that high school team in years to come.

But let's not confuse two high school teams with a youth program. At the youth level VLC has some work to do.

You have a myopic viewpoint based on your son's experience. The VLC 2017 team was terrible two years ago, and that team did a complete 180 in one year. So your opinion is based on the current fortunes of two teams, both of which could be completely different in a season or two. Though you are right that the current VLC youth teams are not worldbeaters, you are examining too small a sample size to make a blanket statement about VLC's youth effort.

Both VLC youth teams are much improved this fall. Given the impact of the Deadspin article and upcoming Washingtonian article about the Madlax founder, expect that trend to continue as the Crabs put more focus on the VLC youth program.

Glad to hear Madlax is going well for your son. I guess the founder's treatment of players (yes, he has done the same thing to many players) doesn't bother you.

As for your assessment about VLC 2017's players, it is not only creepy, but incorrect. To say that all three of them are "weighing offers from every top D1 program right now" is completely false. Further, not all of the players you listed are indisputably the best in the area.

Living in the present, the VLC youth program can not compete with the AA teams. Period. U15 was pounded by Madlax and didn't win a game in the NPYLL tourney. u13 played in the B bracket. Furthermore, if the deadspin article hasn't had an impact on the madlax teams, which judging from how well the teams did this fall (13 winning npyll tourney, u15 and 2017 indisputably still the best team in the area as evidenced by their record), then it's not likely to, nor will an article in the Washingtonian.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Living in the present, the VLC youth program can not compete with the AA teams. Period. U15 was pounded by Madlax and didn't win a game in the NPYLL tourney. u13 played in the B bracket. Furthermore, if the deadspin article hasn't had an impact on the madlax teams, which judging from how well the teams did this fall (13 winning npyll tourney, u15 and 2017 indisputably still the best team in the area as evidenced by their record), then it's not likely to, nor will an article in the Washingtonian.

You have some serious issues. Who keeps up watching the progress of other youth programs?

The NPYLL tournament was a 3 game showcase - there were no winners. I guess you are referring to Cabell's meaningless Fall Fest tournament, one that a Madlax parent said had laughable competition.

Have fun playing meaningless tournaments that line Cabell's pockets.

So quick to judge - for all you know my son plays on VLC.

Hard to argue with cold, hard facts without resorting to insults, isn't it?

NPYLL posted the scores to each game and the WINNERS of each division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So quick to judge - for all you know my son plays on VLC.

Hard to argue with cold, hard facts without resorting to insults, isn't it?

NPYLL posted the scores to each game and the WINNERS of each division.

Please. We know your son doesn't play for VLC. Hope you enjoy playing for a guy who threatens kids.

Pots calling kettles black. The owner of the BLC could easily be the topic of this thread about a self interested and mean club lacrosse owner. Basically he collects dues and places his teams only in his own tournaments. Cha ching. He only types the kids who are part of his circle of parents who kneel before him and tell him how great he was and pay $600 a pop three or four times every year to go to his "showcase" events. Cha ching.

These BLC tournaments and showcase events are diluted in terms of college coach attendance for valid reasons. One reason is he is yesterday's beauty queen who goes on thinking he is the it and the now. He only invites other club owners who kneel before him and will do anything to keep his local rivals down (Breakers, FCA). Another reason is quite possibly college coaches have finally figured out there isn't a reason to go to his tournaments or showcases because there are other more organized and all-inclusive venues for top teams and players to play. At the Fall UMD classic and in the Philly tourneys there were possibly over a hundred college coaches attending. At a BLC tournament you have to strain your eyes to count half a dozen, plus the proverbial IL plant journalist who hypes BLC's own in tourney write ups. Second, there is a lot of growth in lacrosse but it ain't in Baltimore. Everyone in that county plays over decades and today you are seeing the best players aspiring to play for other clubs over the Crabs. If you want your kids to have the best chance to play college lacrosse, ten years ago you had no choice but to worship at the BLC altar. Today you are actually better off somewhere else.

Maybe Cabell is a terrible guy and a self interested operator, but it is hardly fair to point this all on MaxLax. There are club lacrosse problems right up the road.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pots calling kettles black. The owner of the BLC could easily be the topic of this thread about a self interested and mean club lacrosse owner. Basically he collects dues and places his teams only in his own tournaments. Cha ching. He only types the kids who are part of his circle of parents who kneel before him and tell him how great he was and pay $600 a pop three or four times every year to go to his "showcase" events. Cha ching.

These BLC tournaments and showcase events are diluted in terms of college coach attendance for valid reasons. One reason is he is yesterday's beauty queen who goes on thinking he is the it and the now. He only invites other club owners who kneel before him and will do anything to keep his local rivals down (Breakers, FCA). Another reason is quite possibly college coaches have finally figured out there isn't a reason to go to his tournaments or showcases because there are other more organized and all-inclusive venues for top teams and players to play. At the Fall UMD classic and in the Philly tourneys there were possibly over a hundred college coaches attending. At a BLC tournament you have to strain your eyes to count half a dozen, plus the proverbial IL plant journalist who hypes BLC's own in tourney write ups. Second, there is a lot of growth in lacrosse but it ain't in Baltimore. Everyone in that county plays over decades and today you are seeing the best players aspiring to play for other clubs over the Crabs. If you want your kids to have the best chance to play college lacrosse, ten years ago you had no choice but to worship at the BLC altar. Today you are actually better off somewhere else.

Maybe Cabell is a terrible guy and a self interested operator, but it is hardly fair to point this all on MaxLax. There are club lacrosse problems right up the road.

Sorry your FCA team doesn't get invited to Crabs tournaments. Get over it.

The stuff you wrote about him in the first two paragraphs isn't true, so I won't bother addressing it. In terms of college matriculation, Crabs 2016 has 8 college D1 commitments. Between VLC and BLC 2016, they have a combined 18 college commitments. The ability of the Crabs and now VLC to get kids in college programs is unparalleled.

But this has nothing to do with the owner of Madlax. He publicly in writing threatened a kid and his parents just because he wanted to leave. Can you really justify that on any level?

Wow, someone attacking Crabs on a Madlax forum who then attacks FCA...What is wrong with lacrosse. In my opinion it is the profit motive. Many clubs no longer have the child's best interest in mind but rather a profit incentive. Some of these clubs hide behind the 501-C non-profit claim but run a parrallel company to collect tournament and camp fees. In the end it is the children who become the pawns...Let the boys be boys, focus on improving the game and stop the name calling and accusations. Parents and players will go to a club that THEY think is best for THEM, doesn't matter anyone else's opinion.

Why must all you people keep pretending that you care what kind of guy the owners of any of these clubs are. All these all-star teams are a two way street. The coaches are using the kids the parents are using the coach/team. Everyone of you dads out there will move your kid from team to team until there kid is one of the top three attackmen or a first line middie. Your sons spend what a min. to 30 mins with these club oweners over the years, who cares what kind of guys they are. When people get on here and bash the other club they are just hoping it makes another dad send the son to there team so they can win more games. People really do not care about emails or coaches being mean.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pots calling kettles black. The owner of the BLC could easily be the topic of this thread about a self interested and mean club lacrosse owner. Basically he collects dues and places his teams only in his own tournaments. Cha ching. He only types the kids who are part of his circle of parents who kneel before him and tell him how great he was and pay $600 a pop three or four times every year to go to his "showcase" events. Cha ching.

These BLC tournaments and showcase events are diluted in terms of college coach attendance for valid reasons. One reason is he is yesterday's beauty queen who goes on thinking he is the it and the now. He only invites other club owners who kneel before him and will do anything to keep his local rivals down (Breakers, FCA). Another reason is quite possibly college coaches have finally figured out there isn't a reason to go to his tournaments or showcases because there are other more organized and all-inclusive venues for top teams and players to play. At the Fall UMD classic and in the Philly tourneys there were possibly over a hundred college coaches attending. At a BLC tournament you have to strain your eyes to count half a dozen, plus the proverbial IL plant journalist who hypes BLC's own in tourney write ups. Second, there is a lot of growth in lacrosse but it ain't in Baltimore. Everyone in that county plays over decades and today you are seeing the best players aspiring to play for other clubs over the Crabs. If you want your kids to have the best chance to play college lacrosse, ten years ago you had no choice but to worship at the BLC altar. Today you are actually better off somewhere else.

Maybe Cabell is a terrible guy and a self interested operator, but it is hardly fair to point this all on MaxLax. There are club lacrosse problems right up the road.

Sorry your FCA team doesn't get invited to Crabs tournaments. Get over it.

The stuff you wrote about him in the first two paragraphs isn't true, so I won't bother addressing it. In terms of college matriculation, Crabs 2016 has 8 college D1 commitments. Between VLC and BLC 2016, they have a combined 18 college commitments. The ability of the Crabs and now VLC to get kids in college programs is unparalleled.

But this has nothing to do with the owner of Madlax. He publicly in writing threatened a kid and his parents just because he wanted to leave. Can you really justify that on any level?

I would argue that many of the Crabs play for the top schools in the area (BL, McDonogh, Gilman, St Pauls) and that the coaches from those schools are the real reason that the players are recruited...keep taking credit and lining your own pocket. More and more the high schools are playing in Summer events, then let's see what the Crabs really offer? Much better options in the Mid Atlantic

That is a very thoughtful point. Come to think of it, I cannot remember the last tournament where I didn't hear parents from all the MD teams lamenting they were missing kids because they were off playing in another tournament for their high school. Over the Summer that has been a given for a few years. Then we saw it happen a lot this Fall, which shocked me a bit. It leads me to wonder, once your kid is in 9th grade, is club ball soon to be in the past tense? If you go to a BL or a Gilman, those schools can displace the need for clubs if they want to. Based on the economics of the sport (private school tuitions + club fees + showcase events) getting some synergies and savings out of it would be good for the consumer. Bad for the club owners, but who would have a cry on that?

Many of the Club teams in Baltimore are coached by local HS coaches. These coaches want the opportunity to work with the players over the summer and I believe the boys would benefit. If this trend continues it will be the downfall of some clubs. I would imagine the heads of some clubs would force players to make a decision, club or HS. We've already seen one club not allow players to participate in Rec lacrosse while most embrace it.

2014 Fall Tryout Schedule for this weekend. Complete schedule at http://capital.madlax.com/fall2014season

Tryouts Schedule (subject to changes & additions):
8/23 Saturday (location: McLean HS Turf)
2022/23 (4th & 5th graders this fall) from 12-1:30
2020/21 (6th & 7th graders this fall) from 1:30-3pm
2019 (8th graders this fall) from 3-4:30pm
2018 (9th graders this fall) from 4:30-6pm
2017 & 2016 & 2015 (10th, 11th, 12th graders this fall) from 6-8pm

8/24 Sunday (location: Marymount)
2024/25 (2nd & 3rd Graders this fall) from 10-11:30
2022/23 (4th & 5th graders this fall) from 11:30-1pm
2020/21 (6th & 7th graders this fall) from 1-2:30pm
2019 (8th graders this fall) from 2:30-4pm
2018 (9th graders this fall) from 4-5:30pm

Saw this on the Looney's thread. it belongs here:
There are 3 strong clubs in DC area: Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf. Madlax is the best top to bottom. Period.

Real Madlax youth stats: 23-10 at all AA levels in Spring NPYLL. [That's a 70% win percentage BTW (23/33=.6969)]. Then dig a little deeper--U15AAA at 7-2 and U13AAA at 8-1. Losses only to Crabs and Hawks, Baltimore and Annapolis teams respectively. Pretty good by my standards, and best teams at this critical age in Washington DC. To be fair, Baltimore Crabs are still better top to bottom, but gap is closing. As a Baltimore club, Crabs are not a real option for us DC parents. Hawks (Annapolis) were awesome this past year, particularly at youth, but again too far for most DCers.

The Madlax U15 team won [lacrosse]'s national title at Christmas (U13 at the time) and the current Madlax U13 team won the World Championship in Denver this July. Look it up, and confirm. The U13 team won 4 out of 5 tournaments this summer, losing in finals at Young Gunz to a loaded Dukes team. This team has lost only 2 games since it was formed in Fall of 2013 and is clearly one of the best, if not #1 U13 team in country (sorry LI). Won Next Level Fall League, all 3 Fall Tournaments, 2nd in Spring League after losing to Crabs in final by a goal. 2-1 versus the Crabs, after beating them in fall NPYLL championship and in Young Gunz this Summer. There isn't a youth team in DC that can compete with these teams. In fact, VLC enters its U13 in B brackets to avoid Madlax, haters check Fall NPYLL and Summer Greene Turtle before responding. As you may know, Blackwolf doesn�t do youth, VLC only u11, and Madlax .500 at U9 and U11, although the Madlax U11�s had a great summer.

Madlax will continue to be stronger at 2018, as rising Freshmen will be the U15 AAA moving up -- including first 2018 commit nationally (to JHU). Go watch them play � a very skilled and entertaining group. VLC not is same zip code and Blackwolf is a big question mark following rumors of Trig�s relocation to Texas.

U15AAA will be best team in youth lacrosse in Washington DC, as it will be rising U13�s. Players are getting tremendous national exposure. Google them if you doubt me. VLC will continue to avoid this team.

Madlax is also very strong at 2017, as is VLC to be fair. Madlax stronger at 2016, VLC at 2015. Blackwolf is a ?? at these levels for me, although awesome reputation. Will it continue with Trig out at Saint Stephens? Going to Texas? As VLC�s really strong senior team of Madlax defectors dwindles, it will be left with 1 good team, at 2017. While there are repeated efforts by its coaches, VLC has been unsuccessful at recruiting Madlax players at other levels.

While change is constant, Madlax has consistently been the top program in the Washington DC area

I would say Madlax looks better for the older kids (2020 -2018), but Bethesda's young kids are definitely better (2023-2021). Club Blue and Next Level have some really good groups also.

to all MD parents, I ask that you go to the FO petition and sign. While I am from LI and we certainly have our differences, I ask that you join the movement and keep the game progressing rather than moving backwards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

to all MD parents, I ask that you go to the FO petition and sign. While I am from LI and we certainly have our differences, I ask that you join the movement and keep the game progressing rather than moving backwards.

Moving forward is what the rule change is doing!

Having one kid win 90% of faceoffs with the wings not having a chance to get involved at all is not progressing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Having one kid win 90% of faceoffs with the wings not having a chance to get involved at all is not progressing.

Agreed 100%

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would say Madlax looks better for the older kids (2020 -2018), but Bethesda's young kids are definitely better (2023-2021). Club Blue and Next Level have some really good groups also.

U11 Madlax team didn't lose a game this past summer (18 - 0)

Not sure which CB or NL teams would be considered really good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would say Madlax looks better for the older kids (2020 -2018), but Bethesda's young kids are definitely better (2023-2021). Club Blue and Next Level have some really good groups also.

U11 Madlax team didn't lose a game this past summer (18 - 0)

Not sure which CB or NL teams would be considered really good.

Madlax Ull in NPYLL - 5-2, Bethesda U11 in NPYLL 7-0. (Edge to Bethesda) Club Blue Ull 2-4 in NPYLL. Next Level did not field a U11AA team.

U11 Madlax team didn't lose a game this past summer (18 - 0)

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After the the NYPLL season ended and they picked up additional players, which helped them greatly..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Having one kid win 90% of faceoffs with the wings not having a chance to get involved at all is not progressing.

Agreed 100%

You poor, poor stupid people, it is a D-1 rule change (potentially) the best guy in the country only won 70%. It has been around 70% for the last 20 years, long before pinch and pop. It is a safety isse...Pay attention to the details, it is how you can form real thoughts...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U11 Madlax team didn't lose a game this past summer (18 - 0)

After the the NYPLL season ended and they picked up additional players, which helped them greatly.. [/quote]

"Guest" players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U11 Madlax team didn't lose a game this past summer (18 - 0)

After the the NYPLL season ended and they picked up additional players, which helped them greatly..

Are you saying players left their spring team to play on ML's summer team?

Looking at the posted roster, the spring and summer teams look essentially the same except for 2 players

It was essentially the same Madlax U11AA team from the Spring. A few new players helped, but the big difference was that the team improved. Improvement is what you want, so the summer was a positive result for the team and the players.

Who cares about U11? It's youth lacrosse. Any adult who is obsessed enough to record the win/loss record of a youth team (let alone a U11 team), needs to get a grip on reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about U11? It's youth lacrosse. Any adult who is obsessed enough to record the win/loss record of a youth team (let alone a U11 team), needs to get a grip on reality.

At what age is it OK to care?
Some U13 kids are getting scouted by college coaches so is that when the switch gets turned on to care?

Look at the little league World Series. 11 year olds on Espn constantly and even made the cover of SI. Like it or not, America cares about youth sports.

Looks like MadLax had a great Summer. Not parent here but why the hate? They lost two games by 1 goal to Hawks in NPYLL and then beat Hawks by 1 goal twice in Summer. They beat a surprisingly strong Charlotte team by 1 goal (that had beaten the Hawks). Madlax might not have beaten Bethesda or Igloo, but the parents can be proud of their kids, who I'm sure had fun and made great memories. It's better when it's not easy. Someone said Madlax strong 2020 and up, and I think poster was right to suggest at least 2021 and up.

If the point is parents should keep youth sports and scores and "whose team is better" in perspective and behave better on the sidelines, hopefully we can all agree on that. I'd argue that parents should keep getting a 25% scholarship to a top 10 school in perspective as well.

How many holdbacks on team... if a bunch not so impressive..if none very impressive as hawks and Bethesda are grade based teams like year.

Madlax, you will struggle to be taken seriously in Baltimore as long as you add players from elsewhere to your summer club teams. For instance, your 2019 team at fl$ in 3d (all 28 of them)did not resemble your NPYLL team in any way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax, you will struggle to be taken seriously in Baltimore as long as you add players from elsewhere to your summer club teams. For instance, your 2019 team at fl$ in 3d (all 28 of them)did not resemble your NPYLL team in any way.

That's just an asinine statement.

Madlax has a lot of kids in the youth pipeline, but the best typically peel off for other clubs once they reach HS age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax, you will struggle to be taken seriously in Baltimore as long as you add players from elsewhere to your summer club teams. For instance, your 2019 team at fl$ in 3d (all 28 of them)did not resemble your NPYLL team in any way.

Madlax 2019's did not play in fl$ in 3d! No wonder they did not look like the NPYLL team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many holdbacks on team... if a bunch not so impressive..if none very impressive as hawks and Bethesda are grade based teams like year.

U11 team - half of the team was actually 2022 and most of those would still qualify for U11 this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many holdbacks on team... if a bunch not so impressive..if none very impressive as hawks and Bethesda are grade based teams like year.

U11 team - half of the team was actually 2022 and most of those would still qualify for U11 this year

ALL 2022's should still qualify for U11 this year

Read the Deadspin article about the owner of this program. He's a maniac.

Old news...move on.

Didnt ask how many were 2022. asked how many were holdbacks. a 2022 holdback last year was a second year U11 which many grade based teams had last year. If you had 2022 holdbacks along with 2021 holdbacks then Madlax had a mainly older players along with too old for U11 players. That is what the better 5th grade based teams had last year. Of course the more you had the the better you were. Most of the better age based teams had a more second year U11 players than first...of course they were the right age for U11.

Grade based is where you see holdbacks, genius. Last year all Madlax youth teams were age based, u9, u11, u13, u15 on USL standards. NPYLL, at Crabs and Hawks insistence, is going grade based so Madlax is changing this year to grade based teams

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Sorry Genius ..Madlax was far from only age based last year. Try again. Personally talked to a Madlax parent who pointed out two players to old to play at the right age. Known parent two years, no need to lie to me. Nice try Genius.. Who are you Cabell the same guy who lies about young players

Madlax youth teams played in multiple "birth certificate" tournaments last year. U15 won [lacrosse]'s. U13 won the World Games tournament. Both required proof of age. Madlax publishes its rosters for those teams on the web site. Are you saying Madlax parents forge birth certificates to play in those tournaments?

Also, if Madlax cheated, it would be very obvious as virtually all of the kids on Madlax play on age-based rec teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didnt ask how many were 2022. asked how many were holdbacks. a 2022 holdback last year was a second year U11 which many grade based teams had last year. If you had 2022 holdbacks along with 2021 holdbacks then Madlax had a mainly older players along with too old for U11 players. That is what the better 5th grade based teams had last year. Of course the more you had the the better you were. Most of the better age based teams had a more second year U11 players than first...of course they were the right age for U11.

This really makes no sense - U11 means U11

All of the kids on the U11 team met the age based requirements to play U11 - unless of course parents lied on the application.

You must be some FUZE parent that thinks his kid plays for a good club

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax, you will struggle to be taken seriously in Baltimore as long as you add players from elsewhere to your summer club teams. For instance, your 2019 team at fl$ in 3d (all 28 of them)did not resemble your NPYLL team in any way.

Madlax 2019's did not play in fl$ in 3d! No wonder they did not look like the NPYLL team

This must be in reference to Young Gunz, not fl$. The Madlax "National " U13AAA team played in Young Gunz. The local U13AAA team lost to Crabs in NPYLL but the "National" team beat Crabs in Young Gunz.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. U11 is U11 Wow real insight. But 2021 which is a U11 team supposedly ..but if without age restrictions does not mean anything except you need a graduation year of 2021. Take it to a extreme you could have been held back 3 times and be able to play on a U15 age based team but still be on a 2021 grade team.

Man you Madlax parents really are sensitive.. It was a simple question about holdbacks and you Madlax parents have turned it into something else.... Oh and what is Madlax this year grade base or age base .....oh thats right Grade base .....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. U11 is U11 Wow real insight. But 2021 which is a U11 team supposedly ..but if without age restrictions does not mean anything except you need a graduation year of 2021. Take it to a extreme you could have been held back 3 times and be able to play on a U15 age based team but still be on a 2021 grade team.

Man you Madlax parents really are sensitive.. It was a simple question about holdbacks and you Madlax parents have turned it into something else.... Oh and what is Madlax this year grade base or age base .....oh thats right Grade base .....

Relax. The topic of reclasses is controversial from 8th grade and up because of the unfair advantage it gives kids when it comes to recruiting. No one cares about kids younger than that and I doubt it's even that prevalent.

Really...You must be out of the Md/Dc/Va club world then. Almost ALL Club teams went grade based this year for what reason???
It had been age based on USL guidelines up until then. The USL guideline matched school registration for the grade. Why the need to change. Main reason was to accommodate CHILDREN under 15 down to 9 who had been held back. If it wasnt prevalent then Crabs, Hawks, Madlax now, etc would not have gone grade base. They used to ALL be age based until HS level teams ????. Frankly at the youth level in many tournaments it was in many tournaments last year . This year youth holdbacks will be in ALL tournaments. No one cares about parents cheating the system with their children????????.

Here is what USL representative had to say about grade based Lacrosse trend last month in another forum discussing grade based vs age based teams .

""""" The problem with grade-based segmentation in youth sports is, of course, that it's not in the best interests of kids. The different rates of physical and cognitive development at each age varies widely so, in contact sport like boys' lacrosse, it's simply not safe to allow kids of such varying ages and development levels to compete against each other. Nor does it reinforce the fundamental principles of fair play and fun that are essential to player retention in youth sports. Allowing the club "system" and associated recruiting events to determine what's best for your child is not only a clear conflict of interest...it's a tremendous abdication of responsibility by the primary consumers of a child's lacrosse experience - parents """""""""""""

Most people agree with him except the chosen ones and their supporters who like to have children play against younger children to get an advantage they couldn't have going against same age children..But of course only they are allowed it as they had the forethought to hold their children back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really...You must be out of the Md/Dc/Va club world then. Almost ALL Club teams went grade based this year for what reason???
It had been age based on USL guidelines up until then. The USL guideline matched school registration for the grade. Why the need to change. Main reason was to accommodate CHILDREN under 15 down to 9 who had been held back. If it wasnt prevalent then Crabs, Hawks, Madlax now, etc would not have gone grade base. They used to ALL be age based until HS level teams ????. Frankly at the youth level in many tournaments it was in many tournaments last year . This year youth holdbacks will be in ALL tournaments. No one cares about parents cheating the system with their children????????.

Sorry, having a very difficult time following your incoherent, broken english, but in the DC market this is not a big issue. There may be one or two kids that were held back in kindergarten for developmental reasons, but generally parents aren't doing this to cheat the system. In fact, most VA/DC kids don't even start playing lacrosse until later. Furthermore, the kids that are big for their age, even if age appropriate, tend to play up a grade until 8th grade when they are no longer allowed to...

The bigger problem is kids repeating 8th grade for sports and reclassing to gain an advantage in the recruiting process - that, in my opinion, is cheating the system.

Baltimore has many children held back after kindergarten. It is at all the private schools. They even have a seperate grade for it as the children have already gone thru kindergarten. It is called pre-first. The class sizes vary every year but ALL the big sports private schools have them. I know that one year there were 22 boys in pre-first at ONE private school.
I cant imagine that Landon, Georgetown Prep, etc arent seeing this trend and doing nothing. I read a article on Matrie Dei and holding back kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. U11 is U11 Wow real insight. But 2021 which is a U11 team supposedly ..but if without age restrictions does not mean anything except you need a graduation year of 2021. Take it to a extreme you could have been held back 3 times and be able to play on a U15 age based team but still be on a 2021 grade team.

Man you Madlax parents really are sensitive.. It was a simple question about holdbacks and you Madlax parents have turned it into something else.... Oh and what is Madlax this year grade base or age base .....oh thats right Grade base .....

Madlax fought the grade based system in NPYLL and lost. The Crabs won

BUT, last year they were age based and you keep talking about holdbacks which really makes no sense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. U11 is U11 Wow real insight. But 2021 which is a U11 team supposedly ..but if without age restrictions does not mean anything except you need a graduation year of 2021. Take it to a extreme you could have been held back 3 times and be able to play on a U15 age based team but still be on a 2021 grade team.

Man you Madlax parents really are sensitive.. It was a simple question about holdbacks and you Madlax parents have turned it into something else.... Oh and what is Madlax this year grade base or age base .....oh thats right Grade base .....

Madlax fought the grade based system in NPYLL and lost. The Crabs won

BUT, last year they were age based and you keep talking about holdbacks which really makes no sense

Untrue. Madlax has a ton of holdbacks on their rosters. They did not protest moving to a grade-based system.

Madlax had plenty of holdbacks last year. This year they will have more. They want to compete with the other AA teams . Only way is with older kids lining up against the Crabs, hawks, etc, older kids.

""""""""""Sorry, having a very difficult time following your incoherent, broken english, but in the DC market this is not a big issue. There may be one or two kids that were held back in kindergarten for developmental reasons, but generally parents aren't doing this to cheat the system. In fact, most VA/DC kids don't even start playing lacrosse until later. Furthermore, the kids that are big for their age, even if age appropriate, tend to play up a grade until 8th grade when they are no longer allowed to"""""""

Apparently you were able to follow it enough to give a response jerk. DC/Va private schools are just starting to catch up to Baltimore/Annapolis private schools. According to you 8th grade is issue with DC/Va and to lessor extent kindergarten. Bet that changes in next few years to compete better if it hasn't already....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. U11 is U11 Wow real insight. But 2021 which is a U11 team supposedly ..but if without age restrictions does not mean anything except you need a graduation year of 2021. Take it to a extreme you could have been held back 3 times and be able to play on a U15 age based team but still be on a 2021 grade team.

Man you Madlax parents really are sensitive.. It was a simple question about holdbacks and you Madlax parents have turned it into something else.... Oh and what is Madljax this year grade base or age base .....oh thats right Grade base .....

Madlax fought the grade based system in NPYLL and lost. The Crabs won

BUT, last year they were age based and you keep talking about holdbacks which really makes no sense

Untrue. Madlax has a ton of holdbacks on their rosters. They did not protest moving to a grade-based system.

Dude, you must be posting from Colorado, since you are clearly high. Madlax rosters are available on their website. Their cannot be holdbacks in an age based system

This year it will be interesting for DC/Va teams. Since according to Madlax parent young holdbacks are not in vogue in DC/VA. Madlax without any holdbacks will be at a clear disadvantage going against Balt/Annapolis teams as they all will have many holdbacks on their teams, Crabs,Hawks,Breakers,etc. Time to drop down to B in all tournaments and leagues???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Having one kid win 90% of faceoffs with the wings not having a chance to get involved at all is not progressing.

Agreed 100%

You poor, poor stupid people, it is a D-1 rule change (potentially) the best guy in the country only won 70%. It has been around 70% for the last 20 years, long before pinch and pop. It is a safety isse...Pay attention to the details, it is how you can form real thoughts...

Us poor stupid people can see that on his way to an overall 70% win percentage, the best guy in the country (Massa) had games where he won 100%, 95%, 87%, 86%, and 85% of the faceoffs. It's rules that allow games like those that make us call for changes.

Well Madlax might not have tons of hold backs but this Falls 2019 team is going to be able to beat/play with anyone. Just looking at helmets at tryouts there are kids from up to 5 other clubs in the area trying out for the team. So much for the "CRAZY" email scaring all the people away.

You're right. There is nothing wrong with a grown man threatening kids and their families just for leaving. When your son gets to HS and the better kids flee for other programs, they'll get the same type of threats.

But as long as it's not your kid, it's ok, right?

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

That will not happen to my kid because if we leave I will be a MAN and call the club and let them know my choice to play for another club. I would never quit a job with out a 2 weeks notice and I would never leave a club with out talking to the team first. Also grow a pair and go after someone that is breaking a law not just being mean.

Oh, tough Madlax guy is back and tougher than ever!

Just to be clear, you think Cabell is just "being mean" when he threatens a kid and his family?

Do you know the kind of phone calls and emails Cabell has sent other people who dared to leave his club? This email was not a one time thing.

Regardless if it's an email or phone call, how can you justify that kind of behavior? Why do you think other clubs and parents laugh at Madlax?

Hope you're enjoying spending $1,200 extra a year just to the privilege of being "Madlax for life".

I hope you injoy trying and trying and trying and trying to bring this topic up. And people keep showing up to play for this evil evil man. I agree the emails and phone calls are bad. He looks like a fool when he does it. Why should people care how he acts when you are leaving? You got your Blackwolf or VLC spot let him email away as you find a better place. He is using us and we all are using these clubs everyone is the bad guy in this. Stop trying to act like this world is so clean and pure. Play for your rec and high school teams if you do not want to play in the crazy world of Travel ball.

What do you think of the fact that Madlax actually charges hundreds of dollars a month to help Madlax kids get recruited? I've never ever heard of any other club squeezing its parents the way Madlax does.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do you think of the fact that Madlax actually charges hundreds of dollars a month to help Madlax kids get recruited? I've never ever heard of any other club squeezing its parents the way Madlax does.

Dear VLC Parent- why don't you try some verifiable facts instead of your garbage opinions? Break down the costs of local clubs? Madlax is right in line, but that doesn�t serve your (jealous) purpose, does it?

Keep on spewing nonsense and getting slayed on the field. BTW, find a coach yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do you think of the fact that Madlax actually charges hundreds of dollars a month to help Madlax kids get recruited? I've never ever heard of any other club squeezing its parents the way Madlax does.

Dear VLC Parent- why don't you try some verifiable facts instead of your garbage opinions? Break down the costs of local clubs? Madlax is right in line, but that doesn�t serve your (jealous) purpose, does it?

Keep on spewing nonsense and getting slayed on the field. BTW, find a coach yet?

Not a VLC parent, but the post is true. I can't believe they actually charge $200 a month to do what other clubs do for free.

http://capital.madlax.com/page/show/762677-college-recruiting-consulting

Results from Madlax Fall Fest

2024 - Madlax 2024-25 Orange 10 over Bethesda LC 2024 Blue 9
2023 - Cannons Select U11B 12 over FCA MD U11B - Kasemeyer 3
2022 - Madlax Capital 2022-23 Orange 7 over Next Level 2022 4
2021 - Kooper's Lacrosse Club 2021 6 over Cannons Select U13B 5
2020 - Madlax Capital 2020-21 Orange 4 over Next Level 2020 3
2019A/B - Cannons Select U15 7 over Bethesda LC 2019 2
2019AA - Madlax Capital 2019 Orange 7 over BucksMont North Stars 6

Good day for Madlax at their own tournament.

That is because Madlax can only attract cupcakes to that event. Embarrassing that he makes his kids attend that event only to beat up on terrible clubs. Madlax parents tell me it is one of the worst things about Madlax - having to play an extra tournament or two of meaningless games just to pad the guy's pocket.

Man its so hard to be so good that they beat up on some teams. For one day at a field less then 40 mins from all of the Madlax kids houses. I was there all day and watched lots of the games, there was some soild lacrosse being played on all fields. Tournaments like this one help Madlax as a program. When these smaller start up clubs come to these tournaments and there players get to see what a top level club looks like and plays like. There parents use the same website to sign up for tryouts in the spring. And Madlax gets a handfull of players becasue they where able to see or play Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is because Madlax can only attract cupcakes to that event. Embarrassing that he makes his kids attend that event only to beat up on terrible clubs. Madlax parents tell me it is one of the worst things about Madlax - having to play an extra tournament or two of meaningless games just to pad the guy's pocket.

I would not call Bethesda or FCA cupcakes-they are generally really good top to bottom. Koopers and Cannons also have very strong teams at different ages. There were some 'easy' wins in this tournament, but those championship games were all tough teams.

These are kids young as 4th grade 9 year olds. What parent would trash that? Madlax runs some local tournaments with local teams and these kids are playing the game and having fun with their teammates and friends. Those smiles are worth it to me as a parent. Crabs and FCA parents need to calm down.

You are so correct there is never a blow out in the NFL. All the games are 3 point nail bitters. What a waste of time to play other kids at new spots and try to run new plays. Man and also we never drive a hour and a half to play a game in the NPYLL season for a game to be 10-2. Good thing Madlax teams didnt play 4 games in 7 hours close to home. That was such a waste of time.

Clearly some U9 and U11 Madlax parents. There is a honeymoon phase where it's so exciting to play in 5 tournaments a season. After a couple of years, you'll realize why top clubs don't play that many tournaments - because it's unnecessary and only goes to the bottom line of the club.

There's a reason why Madlax youth teams are much better than their HS teams. Kids leave after 8th because they realize the options are much better (and much cheaper). You'll see eventually, just like everyone else. Until then, hope you enjoy playing $100 a month just for the right to be part of an "academy".

I think the correct answer is 4 tournaments a season. And for the kids leaving in high school. Where is this magical club they go to. Or is it there Private high school they play for? And it makes sense to spread out the talent when you get to high school. Its not about winning the tournmanet at that age. Its about being seen and having the most time on the field as you can get. And looking at the kids from Madlax going to college to play lacrosse I think they are doing what they say the do. As for the money, really no one on this page or in this Lacrosse world really cares about the money they spend. Thats why they can charge it. Relax and go play VLC and Blackwolf and pay close to the same anyway. But injoy bashing Madlax for being the steady safe bet program for the DMV.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These are kids young as 4th grade 9 year olds. What parent would trash that? Madlax runs some local tournaments with local teams and these kids are playing the game and having fun with their teammates and friends. Those smiles are worth it to me as a parent. Crabs and FCA parents need to calm down.

What do Crabs and FCA parents have to do with this?

Everything. No Madlax poster can even put up a youth game score without the FCA and VLC bullies trying to berate it. At some point aren't these rival programs embarrassed for themselves? No wait, here's the link to the ungrateful quitter bleacher story.......

So madlax 2017 beats a westcoaststarz team that blackwolf couldn't even score a single goal against and yet somehow blackwolf is a more competitive program. Then there is vlc that goes to quakerfest and gets beat by the li outlaws. Dont think in the history of madlax they have ever lost to the outlaws. Man, vlc really took a bad turn after losing a few kids over the summer, and please dont use the missing player excuse. Every team playing this weekend was missing players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everything. No Madlax poster can even put up a youth game score without the FCA and VLC bullies trying to berate it. At some point aren't these rival programs embarrassed for themselves? No wait, here's the link to the ungrateful quitter bleacher story.......

Not sure Crabs or FCA care about Madlax at all. D.C. is a completely different market area. Very odd and goofy comments on your part. Glad the kids did well in their tourney.

Yes the people who hate Madlax live near Madlax. They are the VLC and Blackwolf parents also throw in the parents of kids that where cut from Madlax. Like kids on Fuze/3d, Freedom, Cav. and Battlelax. I am sure I missed a few. And I say other clubs please fight and claw to be good. My son could get cut any day from Madlax. I will need a team for him to play on.

Madlax dads and moms are insane. Just like the owner.

In DC area, Madlax is now so strong, and trending upward that the best players are flocking to the program. The only hope VLC or Blackwolf have is to bash Madlax. 2017 on down, esp. 2018 and 2019, VLC does not compete, so they tear down. Being the Crabs ugly stepsister is not enough to draw good players, esp. with 3d now on the scene. As for Blackwolf, it may be on life support. Teams have fallen off a cliff, rumors that Trig is going to Texas, no natural youth feeder program now that SSSAS connection broken. Choice? Tear apart Madlax, the top team.
Parents, do yourself and your kids a favor, invest in their skills and conditioning and try out for Madlax. Your kid will thank you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In DC area, Madlax is now so strong, and trending upward that the best players are flocking to the program. The only hope VLC or Blackwolf have is to bash Madlax. 2017 on down, esp. 2018 and 2019, VLC does not compete, so they tear down. Being the Crabs ugly stepsister is not enough to draw good players, esp. with 3d now on the scene. As for Blackwolf, it may be on life support. Teams have fallen off a cliff, rumors that Trig is going to Texas, no natural youth feeder program now that SSSAS connection broken. Choice? Tear apart Madlax, the top team.
Parents, do yourself and your kids a favor, invest in their skills and conditioning and try out for Madlax. Your kid will thank you

This is a cry for help. Seriously, Mr. Stewart - get a life.

Low blow Ms. Beckwith, and ditto advice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Results from Madlax Fall Fest

2024 - Madlax 2024-25 Orange 10 over Bethesda LC 2024 Blue 9
2023 - Cannons Select U11B 12 over FCA MD U11B - Kasemeyer 3
2022 - Madlax Capital 2022-23 Orange 7 over Next Level 2022 4
2021 - Kooper's Lacrosse Club 2021 6 over Cannons Select U13B 5
2020 - Madlax Capital 2020-21 Orange 4 over Next Level 2020 3
2019A/B - Cannons Select U15 7 over Bethesda LC 2019 2
2019AA - Madlax Capital 2019 Orange 7 over BucksMont North Stars 6

Good day for Madlax at their own tournament.

How was the 2020 competition?

Madlax does it right. Take it fom a looneys parent

We like Madlax tournaments for our kids club teams, local and we'll run. No excuses for Maddox but the one episode he made mistakes sending emails and appears to have learned from it. The family that left and then leaked that to the media were well known then and now for behaving selfish and also behaving badly to use people. Cabell did a lot to develop and promote that kid, and it worked well for him to get into a prep school and get committed early for lacrosse.

Cannons 11u playing B really?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We like Madlax tournaments for our kids club teams, local and we'll run. No excuses for Maddox but the one episode he made mistakes sending emails and appears to have learned from it. The family that left and then leaked that to the media were well known then and now for behaving selfish and also behaving badly to use people. Cabell did a lot to develop and promote that kid, and it worked well for him to get into a prep school and get committed early for lacrosse.

Sorry, Mom, but it was not an isolated incident. He has said/emailed the same threats to many families who dared to leave.

Your justification of his behavior is pathetic. Blaming that family for the threats they received? LOL.

Good to know that you can sleep at night giving money to a thug like that. This is why none of the other clubs respect Madlax.

Take this from a parent with an older kid...the DC lacrosse scene is full of stories about lacrosse club owners or coaches at Madlax and at Blackwolf, VLC, FCA who bully or threaten families over their kid leaving a club. When the kid is a great player, it's all hot air and those club owners just move on to being bitter about the next recruitable kid leaves. Madlax got stung over the same thing other local clubs do as well, and the difference was the family wanting a public spectacle around their kid. Madlax program size has grown larger not smaller since that episode. Why do you think that is? If there was such a thing as an elite lacrosse club run by a saintly well meaning role model for the boys, give is a name and number. I'd love to meet him and sign our sons up. Parents take the bad with the good in lacrosse, and let's all face this fact that lacrosse club owners are scumbags in general and the ones who are not have weak programs.

The best part of this commit is why do people who do not have kids on Madlax care how our owner/pres. treats us. Every parent knows about the emails and his temper/passion. We are all aware we are adults. We do not need you to save us we are fine. Let me make is simply for you. "sticks and stones may break our bones but words (emails) will never hurt us" Ask anyone who gets a nasty email for leaving if they where happy before they left and the answer will be they where. Our owner is nutts but he does not hit the kids and when he coaches them he is the kind of coach we like. He is to the point and does not sugar coat the facts. Some people are babies and can not take good hard coaching.

VLC built the only two good teams 2015 and 2017 they had off players developed as Madlax youth players. The 2015s are done in the club system and there has literally been a line of D1 kids leaving the 2017s since last fall. VLC is in shambles and has never developed youth players. That is why Madlax continues to grow.

Cannons also played 2019B, but in fairness, I believe that was because SoCo dropped out at the last minute and the tournament needed a replacement team. They were more skilled and athletic than the two best A/B teams, Madlax and BLC.

How good is Rock Lacrosse at 2018?

Wow. Madlax is playing one of their 2017 defenders at a 2018 tournament this weekend. What a bunch of scumbags.

We have had at least 10-15 posts isnt it time to bring out the article on the quitter player and nutty coach!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Madlax is playing one of their 2017 defenders at a 2018 tournament this weekend. What a bunch of scumbags.

A lot of clubs are playing 2017 and 2018 teams together.

How do you know this and who are they moving down?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Madlax is playing one of their 2017 defenders at a 2018 tournament this weekend. What a bunch of scumbags.

How do you know and who are they moving down?

so you are mad a soph. is playing with Freshman. So its like a JV high school team. I thought we all didnt care about that stuff when they hit high school. Only at the youth level did we care about kids playing down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Madlax is playing one of their 2017 defenders at a 2018 tournament this weekend. What a bunch of scumbags.

A lot of clubs are playing 2017 and 2018 teams together.

Of course they won't play in the 2017 bracket, they'll play down in the 2018, and if they have already reclassed they'll be 2-2.5 years older than the legit 2018 kids. Sounds reasonable. It doesn't matter for my kid, legit 2018 6-2 185, but I feel for the late grower, absurd. Maybe I'll have my son play some 2019 or 2020 next tourn. I wonder if he'll standout?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Madlax is playing one of their 2017 defenders at a 2018 tournament this weekend. What a bunch of scumbags.

Just a blatant lie, the 2018 team has too many defenders as it is and the 2017 team doesn't have enough. The 2018s were asked to play up with the 2017s if interested.

Don't be an idiot. As these showcase recruiting events, they want to see kids in the same class competing against one another.

Yet another pathetic move by Madlax. They also may have more kids who've repeated a grade than any other club.

At these showcase events some kids play up, and sometimes there are teams that are a blend of school years. Just last weekend Dukes the Philly club had two teams entered in a tournament, one 2017 and one "uncommitted" team with kids sprayed all over in terms of grades. This Madlax post is silly, there are 2017/18 teams and 2016/17 teams in every tournament now. It is one of the casualties of the committed stuff. It looks like some clubs need to hustle to field teams once the committed kids drop out of sight from club tournaments.

Now, how are these kids who committed in 9th grade then check out of club lacrosse expecting to develop enough to play college? Seems like soon as they do, victory is declared and they blow off doing the work.

Madlax posts all there players by first and last name on there website. For everything they do. They are not trying to trick anyone or get away with anything. Why would a kid play in a 2018 tournament when he is 2017. It does him no good. All it could do is get him on the wrong list for a grad year with a college scout. As for Madlax being the team with the most holdbacks that needs to be proven with some facts to back that up. And once again its high school kids why does anyone care about anyone playing down or up. These tournaments are for college scouts to see you why get on the wrong grad year list with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax posts all there players by first and last name on there website. For everything they do. They are not trying to trick anyone or get away with anything. Why would a kid play in a 2018 tournament when he is 2017. It does him no good. All it could do is get him on the wrong list for a grad year with a college scout. As for Madlax being the team with the most holdbacks that needs to be proven with some facts to back that up. And once again its high school kids why does anyone care about anyone playing down or up. These tournaments are for college scouts to see you why get on the wrong grad year list with them.

You are on the wrong high horse. At these tournaments there are blended teams. And if this kid you are making a big point of is clearly marked as a 2017, then there is no confusion.

Classic Madlax bringing kids down to play in a division with a clearly defined grade level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax posts all there players by first and last name on there website. For everything they do. They are not trying to trick anyone or get away with anything. Why would a kid play in a 2018 tournament when he is 2017. It does him no good. All it could do is get him on the wrong list for a grad year with a college scout. As for Madlax being the team with the most holdbacks that needs to be proven with some facts to back that up. And once again its high school kids why does anyone care about anyone playing down or up. These tournaments are for college scouts to see you why get on the wrong grad year list with them.

You are on the wrong high horse. At these tournaments there are blended teams. And if this kid you are making a big point of is clearly marked as a 2017, then there is no confusion.

Yes, some are blended but they play to the older of the blended age groups unless you are a bad team or as the Crabs did at the Terp Classic last summer just to attempt to fill the trophy case...no reason for Crabs to do that, Madlax is another story

What is the Jersey # of this kid playing down i do not see it anywhere on the Madlax site. And what tournament are you saying they are cheating in? And we all know that the best way to cheat is to bring down a D pole to get you that championship AHHHHH no! Its fall its about being seen not winning championships.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't be an idiot. As these showcase recruiting events, they want to see kids in the same class competing against one another.

Yet another pathetic move by Madlax. They also may have more kids who've repeated a grade than any other club.

No way they have more than Crabs..No Way

Anyone know why VLC 2019 is apparently playing as an A team this weekend at the Greene Turtle? They're matched up against what seems like a weak Greene Turtle squad (based on last weekend's Madlax fall tournament results), team 302 (Delaware), and the Madlax 2019 Blues.

Why are you so obsessed with VLC, Mr. Stewart? The GT tournament has a big field. They decide the pairings.

Why not email the tournament organizer? Or better yet, why not get a life?

Did anyone see the 2019 orange game when they played FCA Blue this weekend? Madlax lost by one goal. Then they came back and beat Hawks by one Goal. I am really mad I missed these games. Please update.

No, unfortunately not. I did see VLC beat the Madlax Blue, 9-4. The game was tied at half. But VLC dominated faceoffs and groundballs in the second half.

On another note, and mind you I'm not complaining, can anyone shed some light as to possible reasons why the schedule for the 2019s at the NPYLL autumn classic is structured the way it is? The B division has a number of teams that one would normally think would be playing up at A. I'm just curious what the reason or reasons might be that the brackets ended up this way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone see the 2019 orange game when they played FCA Blue this weekend? Madlax lost by one goal. Then they came back and beat Hawks by one Goal. I am really mad I missed these games. Please update.

2019 - FCA Blue, Madlax Orange and Hawks Green are all evenly matched. The 2019 MLC team looked good too and went 3-0. I was told that this team, after winning the MYLA Championship, decided to stay together and play as a club team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone see the 2019 orange game when they played FCA Blue this weekend? Madlax lost by one goal. Then they came back and beat Hawks by one Goal. I am really mad I missed these games. Please update.

FCA won in OT.

Well it looks and sounds like the 2019 class in this DMV area is going to be one of its best classes if not the best class.This time next year these 2019 boys will be doing lots of press releases for there early verbals.

Madlax Orange 2019 and MLC 2019 play in the NPYLL Autumn Classic this weekend. I guess they both will see where they stand.

I've seen the 2019 teams in this area. They are not that great. Nowhere near as good as some other older classes that are getting recruited now.

Well I like this debate. Can we come up with a Matrix to use this time next year to see if you are correct. And what top 10 clubs are we going to use to compare to which Grad. Year is the best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well it looks and sounds like the 2019 class in this DMV area is going to be one of its best classes if not the best class.This time next year these 2019 boys will be doing lots of press releases for there early verbals.

DMV=District, Maryland suburbs of DC, Virginia suburbs of DC. Baltimore is fast becoming a DC suburb, but is not included in this term. Only 2 MD counties included would be Montgomery and Prince Georges.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well it looks and sounds like the 2019 class in this DMV area is going to be one of its best classes if not the best class.This time next year these 2019 boys will be doing lots of press releases for there early verbals.

DMV=District, Maryland suburbs of DC, Virginia suburbs of DC. Baltimore is fast becoming a DC suburb, but is not included in this term. Only 2 MD counties included would be Montgomery and Prince Georges.

did you make the "Baltimore becoming a DC suburb" comment to start a new line of arguments? Typical pompous DC a**hole.

Nobody in DC considers Baltimore a suburb. Nobody in DC wants anything to do with "little brother".

I just wanted to pick the top 10 local clubs and compare the 2019,2018,2017,2016 classes together to see which class is the best overall for the area. I think as long as the club is in MD or VA or DC it can be on the list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody in DC considers Baltimore a suburb. Nobody in DC wants anything to do with "little brother".

I am pretty sure the feeling is mutual. No one in Baltimore wants anything to do with the city of self appointed jacka**es.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody in DC considers Baltimore a suburb. Nobody in DC wants anything to do with "little brother".

I am pretty sure the feeling is mutual. No one in Baltimore wants anything to do with the city of self appointed jacka**es.

Where does Annapolis fit in?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody in DC considers Baltimore a suburb. Nobody in DC wants anything to do with "little brother".

I am pretty sure the feeling is mutual. No one in Baltimore wants anything to do with the city of self appointed jacka**es.

Where does Annapolis fit in?

Where is Annapolis?

LOL. Madlax is once again playing guys down at various fall tournament in defined age brackets.

As long as it's another kid who pays his fee, they're good with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody in DC considers Baltimore a suburb. Nobody in DC wants anything to do with "little brother".

I am pretty sure the feeling is mutual. No one in Baltimore wants anything to do with the city of self appointed jacka**es.

Baltimore's inferiority complex is legendary.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody in DC considers Baltimore a suburb. Nobody in DC wants anything to do with "little brother".

I am pretty sure the feeling is mutual. No one in Baltimore wants anything to do with the city of self appointed jacka**es.

Where does Annapolis fit in?

Where is Annapolis?

State Capital of MD - 45 min east of DC - 45 min south of Balt.

At which tournament? I don't see such detail posted for the NPYLL event this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody in DC considers Baltimore a suburb. Nobody in DC wants anything to do with "little brother".

I am pretty sure the feeling is mutual. No one in Baltimore wants anything to do with the city of self appointed jacka**es.

Baltimore's inferiority complex is legendary.

A DC's pompous delusional jacka**es are legendary.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At which tournament? I don't see such detail posted for the NPYLL event this weekend.

There are two fairly big tournaments this weekend:

Fall Brawl (Hogan) & Autumn Classic (Aloha). Madlax is at the Autumn Classic.

NPYLL seems to spread it's fall tournament sponsorship around from year to year. Last year it was the NPYLL Autumn Classic (Aloha). The year before it was the NPYLL FallFest (Madlax).

Once again someone is blaming Madlax of playing kids down. Can you at least give the team name and postion of this crazy rule breaker you are speaking of.

Ok Madlax people like it or not we need more then one top level A team at the youth level in NOVA? It is good that there is around 7 other clubs playing at the B level in our state. But we as Madlax parents we need there to be one of those 7 to step up and pull players from the other 6 and become a level A team. I do not know about you but if something goes wrong with my son at Madlax it would be nice to have another level A team to go to? But now at the youth levels all we got is 7 B teams. What club do you think should step up and find a way to get this done? I think it should be VLC as hard as that is to say.

I think it al depends on what the goals you and your child have for playing travel ball. If it is mostly to have fun and grow their love for the sport, maybe with the expectation of becoming a good HS player, then there are a ton of options in the NOVA region.

If the goal is to play on a legit AA level team and maybe get your kid recruited, then your options probably are limited to Madlax and VLC (although for reasons unknown VLC has played down as an A team in its last two tournaments). Perhaps FreedomLax will be able to build their program through the new Great Falls select league and new Gonzaga connection. And BLC is an option for those able to get their kids to practice in Bethesda.

Thats my point there should and needs to be 2 teams in NOVA playing at the AA level. There is 22 boys spread out on those 7 other teams and on Madlaxs blue teams that could and should have a place for a AA team. I agree there is a place and need for B travel teams Maryland has tons. But its going to be hard for a club team to be at the AA level with it being tied to a NVYLL club. I guess in a prefect world there would be a Freedomlax, Cavs, Battlelax, Fuze all star team. There is a soild AA team if you could cherry pick the best off of each for one team. You would think if these clubs Pres. wanted whats best for there kids they would work something like this out.

My myopic comments on this thread is unbelievable. You are no idea about the lacrosse landscape, history, etc. other than the couple of years your son has played youth ball.

Once you get to HS, you'll learn Madlax is not the top of the pyramid.

As for why i was talking about the youth landscape sir. I was speaking for u15 and lower. But your thoughts about how Madlax is not in the top for the area is kinda silly sir. I agree Blackwolf and VLC high school programs have the players. But you can in no way say that Madlax is not in that group. So if you would like to add another to this group for the high school age I would like to know for myself to keep up my options.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thats my point there should and needs to be 2 teams in NOVA playing at the AA level. There is 22 boys spread out on those 7 other teams and on Madlaxs blue teams that could and should have a place for a AA team. I agree there is a place and need for B travel teams Maryland has tons. But its going to be hard for a club team to be at the AA level with it being tied to a NVYLL club. I guess in a prefect world there would be a Freedomlax, Cavs, Battlelax, Fuze all star team. There is a soild AA team if you could cherry pick the best off of each for one team. You would think if these clubs Pres. wanted whats best for there kids they would work something like this out.

Well, this is sort of what BRYC has done, although they are not really a NOVA-wide lacrosse program. And Blackwolf should be added in at the HS level. Next Level and Performance have credible programs too in Bethesda.

I think one of the reasons families come back to Madlax after trying these other programs is that they perceive that player evaluation is based strictly on the merits, which is definitely not always the case at some of these other NOVA programs. So if my son got cut from the program next year, he would be bummed, but understand that it was based soley on his performance relative to the other kids trying out.

I agree with that statment Madlax seems to do the best job of taking the best players no matter where they are coming from. Thats why I am hoping the next program in VA not MD can step up and be a soild fair program and play at the top level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thats my point there should and needs to be 2 teams in NOVA playing at the AA level. There is 22 boys spread out on those 7 other teams and on Madlaxs blue teams that could and should have a place for a AA team. I agree there is a place and need for B travel teams Maryland has tons. But its going to be hard for a club team to be at the AA level with it being tied to a NVYLL club. I guess in a prefect world there would be a Freedomlax, Cavs, Battlelax, Fuze all star team. There is a soild AA team if you could cherry pick the best off of each for one team. You would think if these clubs Pres. wanted whats best for there kids they would work something like this out.

Well, this is sort of what BRYC has done, although they are not really a NOVA-wide lacrosse program. And Blackwolf should be added in at the HS level. Next Level and Performance have credible programs too in Bethesda.

I think one of the reasons families come back to Madlax after trying these other programs is that they perceive that player evaluation is based strictly on the merits, which is definitely not always the case at some of these other NOVA programs. So if my son got cut from the program next year, he would be bummed, but understand that it was based soley on his performance relative to the other kids trying out.

BRYC is definitely NOT AA team. 3d, who bought Fuze, will fill the void in the Western suburbs, Madlax will continue to dominate Fairfax and in (with a few MD kids, not many). VLC is being left out in the cold. It's already happening. VLC will drop youth teams. They embarrass the King Crab

Madlax is not the best program in VA.

Come on man its not even close in the U15 and down Madlax is the best. At high School you will have the Kids from the Privates move to where there teamates are and where there high school coach wants/tells them to go. But at the youth level its not close.

Can you please give me a example of a Fuze team playing in a tournament at the highest level. And if so which tournament because i do not see them at the big ones that matter. I could be wrong please show me examples.

I think one of the reasons families come back to Madlax after trying these other programs is that they perceive that player evaluation is based strictly on the merits, which is definitely not always the case at some of these other NOVA programs. So if my son got cut from the program next year, he would be bummed, but understand that it was based soley on his performance relative to the other kids trying out. [/quote]

BRYC is definitely NOT AA team. 3d, who bought Fuze, will fill the void in the Western suburbs, Madlax will continue to dominate Fairfax and in (with a few MD kids, not many). VLC is being left out in the cold. It's already happening. VLC will drop youth teams. They embarrass the King Crab [/quote]

I think VLC wrote off youth development a couple years ago and basically wanted to knock out Blackwolf for high school level teams. One season after being bought out by Crabs they dropped U-11. That spring they cancelled the U-13a team after the team had tryouts and the families bought the gear. Just awful communications and professionalism. Now they have U-13 and U-15 teams playing in down divisions. VLC has some decent high school teams, but it is important to understand that those players and teams came up with a different VLC club that developed players and did two U-15 and U-13 teams up and through. Considering that the whole ungrateful quitter thing didn't kill Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf are now both in real trouble now because the better players developed by other clubs are tending to stay put, and this is because neither VLC or Blackwolf has put the resources into the youth levels and are finding less success just poaching the best kids developed at other clubs. Sounds a lot like the Crabs philosophy because it is the Crabs philosophy. Another big problem is VLC parents are always upset their teams don't go to the right tournaments, showcases, they never get put in the best brackets like the Balt Crabs, etc., etc. Maybe that is just whining but there is a continued belief by a lot of VLC parents that the only purpose served by VLC is to make Ryan McClernan some money.

Seconding the above points, with the popularity of lacrosse in Northern Virginia, I have been surprised at the competitiveness (less than expected) of clubs there other than MadLax at youth levels. Doesn't appear like anyone up there other than Madlax could compete with 757 Select, for example, out of Norfolk/Tidewater. Is it just too many clubs? Do rec leagues start later (say 3rd grade, versus kindgarten)? I would think the population would easily support several other A teams, even if not another AA team. Not trying to be negative here - it's just a little puzzling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you please give me a example of a Fuze team playing in a tournament at the highest level. And if so which tournament because i do not see them at the big ones that matter. I could be wrong please show me examples.

I don't think Fuze exists anymore. 3d bought that club out and then most of those families scattered away this fall to other local programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seconding the above points, with the popularity of lacrosse in Northern Virginia, I have been surprised at the competitiveness (less than expected) of clubs there other than MadLax at youth levels. Doesn't appear like anyone up there other than Madlax could compete with 757 Select, for example, out of Norfolk/Tidewater. Is it just too many clubs? Do rec leagues start later (say 3rd grade, versus kindgarten)? I would think the population would easily support several other A teams, even if not another AA team. Not trying to be negative here - it's just a little puzzling.

It is baffling to me too. Every time a new club starts there is a honeymoon period to really build something or just get cast off with the many other also ran programs. To Madlax credit, it must be hard and take a lot of work to get and to keep elite youth teams going every year. Maybe 3d will win big given they are well funded and organized, It isn't a NOVA program but Bethesda Lacrosse Club (BLC) has really blown up and has a ton of kids and some top youth teams. Maybe Cavalier or Freedom can pick up some momentum. It makes no sense that another club can't get it going at a AA level n youth.

The Cavs and Freedom are stuck to a NVYLL program. So if I am parent of a kid not on that NVYLL program I will always be thinking if my kid is not playing becuase he is not playing with this coach on Sat. I understand why they start as part of a NVYLL program but it only can get so big. The thoughts will always be there true or not. I think it has to be a 3D or Lax world store team. The impression has to be this is a NOVA team not a fairfax,loudon, or PW team.

I think it comes down to anything built on parents it will never last. It has to be someone/something that is for a large goal of being the top club. Not I need a good team for my son to play on. Also what people want is a clear misson. Not this lets do whats best for the kids. The crazy we want the best and only the best to win and go to college to play lacrosse kids. Is why Madlax works. They show tryout after tryout that they are going to take the best no matter if you have a last name or not. I have seen it everytime at the 3 tryouts a year they have at Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think VLC wrote off youth development a couple years ago and basically wanted to knock out Blackwolf for high school level teams. One season after being bought out by Crabs they dropped U-11. That spring they cancelled the U-13a team after the team had tryouts and the families bought the gear. Just awful communications and professionalism. Now they have U-13 and U-15 teams playing in down divisions. VLC has some decent high school teams, but it is important to understand that those players and teams came up with a different VLC club that developed players and did two U-15 and U-13 teams up and through. Considering that the whole ungrateful quitter thing didn't kill Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf are now both in real trouble now because the better players developed by other clubs are tending to stay put, and this is because neither VLC or Blackwolf has put the resources into the youth levels and are finding less success just poaching the best kids developed at other clubs. Sounds a lot like the Crabs philosophy because it is the Crabs philosophy. Another big problem is VLC parents are always upset their teams don't go to the right tournaments, showcases, they never get put in the best brackets like the Balt Crabs, etc., etc. Maybe that is just whining but there is a continued belief by a lot of VLC parents that the only purpose served by VLC is to make Ryan McClernan some money.

Not sure if you're simply misinformed or you wish to spread lies, but nothing you wrote is true.

Looks to me like NVYLL had 47 U11A or B teams this past Spring. I picked U11 just as an example.

Shouldn't it be easy to field a half-dozen travel "A" teams from that group? The 2021 South Charlotte Cyclones lost 9-8 to the Madlax AA team after beating the Hawks AA team this Summer. They couldn't have drawn from but a small fraction of that number of kids. Again, not trying to be derogatory and no point to make, but this just doesn't compute. Are AA players commuting to Bethesda? Is soccer or swimming the dominant travel sport?

Madlax can't be drawing all the AA players from NVYLL or else they would be even better.

LOL. Madlax has nowhere near a monopoly on the best youth players. They have a very good 8th grade team and a good 7th grade team. Neither is a juggernaut.

And this assertion you keep making there are no politics within Madlax, and that Madlax is the only club that makes decisions based on merit, is simply not true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks to me like NVYLL had 47 U11A or B teams this past Spring. I picked U11 just as an example.

Shouldn't it be easy to field a half-dozen travel "A" teams from that group? The 2021 South Charlotte Cyclones lost 9-8 to the Madlax AA team after beating the Hawks AA team this Summer. They couldn't have drawn from but a small fraction of that number of kids. Again, not trying to be derogatory and no point to make, but this just doesn't compute. Are AA players commuting to Bethesda? Is soccer or swimming the dominant travel sport?

Madlax can't be drawing all the AA players from NVYLL or else they would be even better.

The Cyclones team lost one game all summer - to Madlax, they are the only team in their area and get All the best players.
Their parents were actually shocked they lost the game because of the summer they were having.

Sticking with your Madlax U11 example, they went 18 - 0 over the summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks to me like NVYLL had 47 U11A or B teams this past Spring. I picked U11 just as an example.

Shouldn't it be easy to field a half-dozen travel "A" teams from that group? The 2021 South Charlotte Cyclones lost 9-8 to the Madlax AA team after beating the Hawks AA team this Summer. They couldn't have drawn from but a small fraction of that number of kids. Again, not trying to be derogatory and no point to make, but this just doesn't compute. Are AA players commuting to Bethesda? Is soccer or swimming the dominant travel sport?

Madlax can't be drawing all the AA players from NVYLL or else they would be even better.

The NVYLL changed its rules last year to require all teams to field at least one "A" team, regardless of whether or not that team could field a team at that skill level. Waivers were not granted. Teams were rated "AA" or "AAA" based on the number of teams fielded by that recreational lacrosse program, not based on preseason player evaluation. So while the talent is getting deeper in the NOVA region, there may not be as many true "A" or "AA" level players as appears at first blush.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think VLC wrote off youth development a couple years ago and basically wanted to knock out Blackwolf for high school level teams. One season after being bought out by Crabs they dropped U-11. That spring they cancelled the U-13a team after the team had tryouts and the families bought the gear. Just awful communications and professionalism. Now they have U-13 and U-15 teams playing in down divisions. VLC has some decent high school teams, but it is important to understand that those players and teams came up with a different VLC club that developed players and did two U-15 and U-13 teams up and through. Considering that the whole ungrateful quitter thing didn't kill Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf are now both in real trouble now because the better players developed by other clubs are tending to stay put, and this is because neither VLC or Blackwolf has put the resources into the youth levels and are finding less success just poaching the best kids developed at other clubs. Sounds a lot like the Crabs philosophy because it is the Crabs philosophy. Another big problem is VLC parents are always upset their teams don't go to the right tournaments, showcases, they never get put in the best brackets like the Balt Crabs, etc., etc. Maybe that is just whining but there is a continued belief by a lot of VLC parents that the only purpose served by VLC is to make Ryan McClernan some money.

Not sure if you're simply misinformed or you wish to spread lies, but nothing you wrote is true.

That is perfectly informed. Freedom Lax was started by Twomey and another Ex VLC coach who left to start a new club when Crabs guy decided to drop U-11 and the season after he cancelled the second U-13 team's season after they tried out and started to practice. He cancelled their season because he didn't want a second less elite U-13 team so he abruptly cancelled and sent refunds back. Freedom lacrosse started after all this happened in 2013

Freedom was started because the founder's kid got cut, so he started a club. Their teams are pretty bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom was started because the founder's kid got cut, so he started a club. Their teams are pretty bad.

VLC stopped doing U-11 teams after 2012. They no longer do U-11 teams. VLC dumped doing second U-13 team also after 2013. Neither of those determinations or decisions had anything to do with a coaches' kid and that is a disgraceful thing to direct at a family, but predictable coming from VLC's team mom troll. Now go sell some Crabs socks and make me a sandwich.

I'm not with VLC. I know the family and that club. The club was started after the kid was cut, so he started his own club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom was started because the founder's kid got cut, so he started a club. Their teams are pretty bad.

VLC stopped doing U-11 teams after 2012. They no longer do U-11 teams. VLC dumped doing second U-13 team also after 2013. Neither of those determinations or decisions had anything to do with a coaches' kid and that is a disgraceful thing to direct at a family, but predictable coming from VLC's team mom troll. Now go sell some Crabs socks and make me a sandwich.

I know something about Freedom. The plus side to the program is that there is a family atmosphere, the coaching is pretty good, and the teams were reasonably competitive in year one. Where they ran into difficulties at the U13 level was that the A team was starved of midfield talent relative to the "AA" team; and the AA team had too many kids, leading to concerns about playing time for several of the boys. A perception also developed, fairly or unfairly, that kids from Great Falls had an advantage over kids from other youth programs when it came to playing time. I believe they were trying to make the rosters smaller this year to address the playing time issue, but I don't think the rosters are up on the website and so its hard to know whether things have changed or not.

This last statment is repeating my point that any travel club team based from a Rec program will not be able to play at the highest level because the impression will always be there that the kids from the Rec program will get playing time over the kids from outside the Rec program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This last statment is repeating my point that any travel club team based from a Rec program will not be able to play at the highest level because the impression will always be there that the kids from the Rec program will get playing time over the kids from outside the Rec program.

My biggest complaint about Freedom is the name. Sometimes 3 different Freedom clubs will show up at tournaments (Philly, nova, and Sykesville). Time for a name change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This last statment is repeating my point that any travel club team based from a Rec program will not be able to play at the highest level because the impression will always be there that the kids from the Rec program will get playing time over the kids from outside the Rec program.

And how do you respond concerning VLC Great Falls kids getting that same home town treatment from the coaches with ties to that rec program as well? Others replied with their feet and started leaving.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This last statment is repeating my point that any travel club team based from a Rec program will not be able to play at the highest level because the impression will always be there that the kids from the Rec program will get playing time over the kids from outside the Rec program.

My biggest complaint about Freedom is the name. Sometimes 3 different Freedom clubs will show up at tournaments (Philly, nova, and Sykesville). Time for a name change.

The team from Philly is actually Elite so there is little confusion on the field

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This last statment is repeating my point that any travel club team based from a Rec program will not be able to play at the highest level because the impression will always be there that the kids from the Rec program will get playing time over the kids from outside the Rec program.

And how do you respond concerning VLC Great Falls kids getting that same home town treatment from the coaches with ties to that rec program as well? Others replied with their feet and started leaving.

Another lie. None of those GF kids are getting preferential treatment from VLC. The 2 families who departed left for other reasons.

All of VLCs 2013 year U-13 B team players and the U-11 team families left because those teams were cancelled from the VLC offerings. That is dozens of families, not sure where you are getting two. VLC doesn't do U-11 and only does two youth teams now one each at U-15 and U-13. And both of those teams are now entered in B tournaments or B divisions of tournaments. Who really cares if VLC has kids from this town or that town, the truth is their youth program is in tatters. Come at the posters with some facts and stop running away from that fact. Look at the VLC website for their team offerings and the tournaments they go to for the two remaining youth teams, its all there. Maybe the VLC website lies.

This is why I let Madlax rob my pocket book every 3 months. I call it a "drama free" upcharge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is why I let Madlax rob my pocket book every 3 months. I call it a "drama free" upcharge.

Starting to sound more and more like some NOVA families are paying to Freedom and VLC youth team club rates to play Great Falls plus neighbor towns rec ball. What used to be $300 can be $1500 for the same thing on the same field except for one Hogan tournament a season. That is a lot of money for what it is. With Madlax it is run like a club for the club rates or upcharge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know why VLC 2019 is apparently playing as an A team this weekend at the Greene Turtle? They're matched up against what seems like a weak Greene Turtle squad (based on last weekend's Madlax fall tournament results), team 302 (Delaware), and the Madlax 2019 Blues.

They did the same thing this past weekend at NPYLL event in Aberdeen. Doesn't make sense

2022 madlax teams looks like the team to beat this year at this age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know why VLC 2019 is apparently playing as an A team this weekend at the Greene Turtle? They're matched up against what seems like a weak Greene Turtle squad (based on last weekend's Madlax fall tournament results), team 302 (Delaware), and the Madlax 2019 Blues.

They did the same thing this past weekend at NPYLL event in Aberdeen. Doesn't make sense

At the NPYLL event, I wonder if it was because the tournament organizers wanted to accommodate Deep Dish Green Line, C2C, the Canadian Edge teams, and any others wanting to play at AA who had to come a long distance? Edge ended up winning both at 2019 AA and A.

Over 2022 Arden Diamondbacks?

At the NPYLL event, I wonder if it was because the tournament organizers wanted to accommodate Deep Dish Green Line, C2C, the Canadian Edge teams, and any others wanting to play at AA who had to come a long distance? Edge ended up winning both at 2019 AA and A. [/quote]

I doubt it. They played in the B division in both Green Turtle and NPYLL Fall Event last year as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 madlax teams looks like the team to beat this year at this age.

Maybe they were missing some kids, but didn't they lose 2 out of 3 at Aberdeen? Crabs won the A bracket over Philly Freedom.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is why I let Madlax rob my pocket book every 3 months. I call it a "drama free" upcharge.

Starting to sound more and more like some NOVA families are paying to Freedom and VLC youth team club rates to play Great Falls plus neighbor towns rec ball. What used to be $300 can be $1500 for the same thing on the same field except for one Hogan tournament a season. That is a lot of money for what it is. With Madlax it is run like a club for the club rates or upcharge.

You are really love this website, Mr. Stewart.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the NPYLL event, I wonder if it was because the tournament organizers wanted to accommodate Deep Dish Green Line, C2C, the Canadian Edge teams, and any others wanting to play at AA who had to come a long distance? Edge ended up winning both at 2019 AA and A.

I doubt it. They played in the B division in both Green Turtle and NPYLL Fall Event last year as well. [/quote]

Well, per this point the U13AA team went 1-5 last year in the NPYLL, and the U15 team 2-3. So despite the local perception here that VLC remains a powerhouse program, perhaps that is no longer true or that any rate the youth program is not attracting the talent it did in the past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 madlax teams looks like the team to beat this year at this age.

Better than Hawks and Roughriders?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 madlax teams looks like the team to beat this year at this age.

Maybe they were missing some kids, but didn't they lose 2 out of 3 at Aberdeen? Crabs won the A bracket over Philly Freedom.

If Crabs won the tourney with Madlax in the field of comp as well, I think the pecking order is Hawks, BLC, Roughriders, Crabs, then Madlax. I realize this is including 2 teams from DC area, but from what we saw, RRiders & Crabs 2022 better than Madlax. But, as they say, that's why they play the games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 madlax teams looks like the team to beat this year at this age.

Better than Hawks and Roughriders?

Roughriders not very good

2022 teams will have a roster turn over of like 75% over the next 4 years why even try to guess which team is the best?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 madlax teams looks like the team to beat this year at this age.

Maybe they were missing some kids, but didn't they lose 2 out of 3 at Aberdeen? Crabs won the A bracket over Philly Freedom.

If Crabs won the tourney with Madlax in the field of comp as well, I think the pecking order is Hawks, BLC, Roughriders, Crabs, then Madlax. I realize this is including 2 teams from DC area, but from what we saw, RRiders & Crabs 2022 better than Madlax. But, as they say, that's why they play the games.

Crabs won with a split madlax teams there and the top 2022 teams not playing in tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 madlax teams looks like the team to beat this year at this age.

Maybe they were missing some kids, but didn't they lose 2 out of 3 at Aberdeen? Crabs won the A bracket over Philly Freedom.

If Crabs won the tourney with Madlax in the field of comp as well, I think the pecking order is Hawks, BLC, Roughriders, Crabs, then Madlax. I realize this is including 2 teams from DC area, but from what we saw, RRiders & Crabs 2022 better than Madlax. But, as they say, that's why they play the games.

Crabs won with a split madlax teams there and the top 2022 teams not playing in tourney.

Last year it was Breakers & Hawks in NPYLL 2022 championship. Diamondbacks were undefeated going into tourney - breakers beat them. Madlax beat Hawks at GT invite this year. Hawks beat crabs at GT invite. Hawks beat cannons and club blue at fall brawl. Crabs beat bethesda and Madlax at autumn classic. Looks like a lot of even competition.

I have no connection with Diamondbacks, but they won some tough games this Summer against older kids. The Breakers U11A team that beat them in NPYLL playoff was not a 2022 team.

Dbacks 2022 have never lost to a hawks team not in npyll or any other tournament. See you in 2 weeks

Originally Posted by MDlaxer

Dbacks 2022 have never lost to a hawks team not in npyll or any other tournament. See you in 2 weeks

Summer, Fall, and Winter are to prepare for NPYLL in the spring. Nothing else really matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no connection with Diamondbacks, but they won some tough games this Summer against older kids. The Breakers U11A team that beat them in NPYLL playoff was not a 2022 team.

Breakers were half first year U11 players and half second year U11 players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is why I let Madlax rob my pocket book every 3 months. I call it a "drama free" upcharge.

Starting to sound more and more like some NOVA families are paying to Freedom and VLC youth team club rates to play Great Falls plus neighbor towns rec ball. What used to be $300 can be $1500 for the same thing on the same field except for one Hogan tournament a season. That is a lot of money for what it is. With Madlax it is run like a club for the club rates or upcharge.

You are really love this website, Mr. Stewart.

Ok, please stop with the Mr. Stewart garbage. No one even knows what that means. Venturing a guess it is a fanatical madlax dad, but who cares, and frankly it makes you sound bat **** crazy

You most certainly do know who that is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You most certainly do know who that is.

Time for the Stewarts and the Beckwiths to go get their own thread to talk about Madlax and VLC backstories. Both make their programs look like a sad and pathetic club and takes attention away from a focus on kids and the sport. With parents like those youth sports is no fun for anyone. Yes, I am a Madlax dad and yes I am tired of it from both sides of the aisle. Madlax had the ungrateful quitter once and now VLC has that drama queen family to deal with. That is done with and THE REST OF US WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT if these maliciouos Great Falls country club moms and dads could take it somewhere else now.

I agree with this 100%. I would like the 2 clubs to get along. I am a man who likes options. I would like them both to be good and beating up teams from Balt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree with this 100%. I would like the 2 clubs to get along. I am a man who likes options. I would like them both to be good and beating up teams from Balt.

Amen from a VLC parent. Enough of this. Most of us who have kids in these programs weren't involved in the teams from that year that caused all this hate and chilish parents who seem to love trashing others. Does it occur to many of you that some of our kids read this? Time for Madlax and VLC business as usual to change and have some class.

Who has the best 2019 team out of all of these teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who has the best 2019 team out of all of these teams

Probably Madlax, but possibly Bethesda Lacrosse Club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who has the best 2019 team out of all of these teams

Probably Madlax, but possibly Bethesda Lacrosse Club.

Unless their has been some shake up since last year, the best teams were:
Crabs (NPYLL Champs)and Madlax (barely lost in NPYLL Championship).

Other teams with good records were Hawks & Cannons, but the Crabs and Madlax were just a bit better.

The Hoco teams to watch were FCA & Rock.

Bethesda was 4-3 last year.

I think he was trying to say which two teams are the best optoins for someone in NOVA to play for at 2019? if that is the case he is correct if you can do the drive the next best option in Beth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think he was trying to say which two teams are the best optoins for someone in NOVA to play for at 2019? if that is the case he is correct if you can do the drive the next best option in Beth.

3d (old fuze) has been putting a lot of money into coaches and marketing/recruiting - so I expect them to be competitive quickly.

Well I can see your point it will be hard to be the best because there will always be a impression that the Ashburn or Loundon kids will be taken over the kids not from there. And thats what puts teams over the top when you can get kids to drive more then 20 mins to get to pratice.

Have you guys seen any star 2019 players in the dc area. and who do they play for I'm seeing what team to tryout for.

Madlax has many stars. At least 2 attack, 2 mids, both FOGO, d middie, lsm, 2 d, stud goalie. When healthy, maybe best 2019 team in country. Solid everywhere.

Perfectly legal team Breakers had last year. Diamondbacks need to stop whining any time they lose. Really lame and poor example. Get over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Perfectly legal team Breakers had last year. Diamondbacks need to stop whining any time they lose. Really lame and poor example. Get over it.

Agree. Any time Diamondbacks 2022 lose they have an excuse. It doesn't happen often but when it does the coaches act like big babies. It's a joke. No team wins all the time. Get some resilience! Whiners!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Perfectly legal team Breakers had last year. Diamondbacks need to stop whining any time they lose. Really lame and poor example. Get over it.

Agree. Any time Diamondbacks 2022 lose they have an excuse. It doesn't happen often but when it does the coaches act like big babies. It's a joke. No team wins all the time. Get some resilience! Whiners!

Agreed. Diamondbacks were a bunch of moaners when they lost. You would have thought it was a NCAA final four game. Funny stuff.

I don't think anyone was whining. We were talking about who would be strong 2022 teams this Fall and 2015 and it was noted that the 2014 Spring/Summer Breakers team was not a pure 2022 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think anyone was whining. We were talking about who would be strong 2022 teams this Fall and 2015 and it was noted that the 2014 Spring/Summer Breakers team was not a pure 2022 team.

Whining is when you lose and make excuses such as Breakers weren't a 2022 team. Which is true, Breakers never claimed to be a 2022 team,they had tryouts as U11 and were a true U11A team that played exactly where they were supposed to in a screwed up Grade/age combo based NPYLL last year. If the Diamondbacks were all true age 2022, they should be happy as they beat the Breakers in regular season and lost in a competitive game in Championship series.

We're signed up for some winter clinics after going through all the email solicitations. Signed our sons up for one Madlax clinic each. We are not a Madlax or a VLC family, and I know this is the sore old topic. How did VLC go down the tubes so perfectly and so fast since the "hey ungrateful quitter" event? Then we would have guessed Madlax might as well fold their tents and go home, but now I see Madlax youth teams running everyone over and their events and clinics are bigger than ever. VLC's solicitation for winter training is one of the few that is outdoors in December and January, is expensive and does not emphasize any positional coaching or instruction for FOGO, goalie, defense or offense. Are the two remaining non-parent coaches really the town high school coach and the neighboring town rec league coach? Sure I looked at costs, and sure Madlax items are more expensive than the VLC expensive, but the offerings are impressive.

I know VLC has a couple of good HS teams, made up mostly of kids who started out at Madlax, and commits on those teams. But their programs and youth teams are barely above Fairfax County rec league AA teams, they play in second tier divisions or tournaments and have a very thin coaching staff. Two or three non-parent coaches in the program? What happened to VLC?

Ms

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We're signed up for some winter clinics after going through all the email solicitations. Signed our sons up for one Madlax clinic each. We are not a Madlax or a VLC family, and I know this is the sore old topic. How did VLC go down the tubes so perfectly and so fast since the "hey ungrateful quitter" event? Then we would have guessed Madlax might as well fold their tents and go home, but now I see Madlax youth teams running everyone over and their events and clinics are bigger than ever. VLC's solicitation for winter training is one of the few that is outdoors in December and January, is expensive and does not emphasize any positional coaching or instruction for FOGO, goalie, defense or offense. Are the two remaining non-parent coaches really the town high school coach and the neighboring town rec league coach? Sure I looked at costs, and sure Madlax items are more expensive than the VLC expensive, but the offerings are impressive.

I know VLC has a couple of good HS teams, made up mostly of kids who started out at Madlax, and commits on those teams. But their programs and youth teams are barely above Fairfax County rec league AA teams, they play in second tier divisions or tournaments and have a very thin coaching staff. Two or three non-parent coaches in the program? What happened to VLC?

Like anything else, being the Madlax alternative can only take you so far before you have to provide value. Since his kid was moving on, dad founder recognized that antiMadlax couldn't carry VLC any further and "sold out" to the Crabs. Sadly, with increased competition Crabs model is wobbling in Baltimore and King Crab has done nothing in NOVA.

Now that 2015 team has graduated/disbanded, what's left, a decent, not great 2017 team? Rest of teams are mediocre to poor, some playing B level. It is going to be very hard to recover from the consistently poor showings on the field by current VLC teams.
Watch for 3d to be next big thing as landscape changes.

It is shocking how many great players just walked out of VLC 2016 & 2017 to stock the ponds at Blackwolf and to some extent 3d. I'm talking about high level D1 prospects changing clubs during the recruiting years on the teams coming after that incredible VLC 2015 team. VLC seemed to be on the cusp of running everyone over in 2013 and one year later is basically the new Next Level. How and why did it all fall apart? Ex-VLC parents I know just smirk and say "no comment". Does anyone know the real story here?

Hard for 3d to get players from all over the region when their practice fields are in outer Loudon County.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard for 3d to get players from all over the region when their practice fields are in outer Loudon County.

Amen. If you live inside the beltway its just too far to go in rush hour traffic. I know a kid from Vienna who plays goalie on their U15 team, and its a real time commitment to practice in Leesburg even from there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard for 3d to get players from all over the region when their practice fields are in outer Loudon County.

Amen. If you live inside the beltway its just too far to go in rush hour traffic. I know a kid from Vienna who plays goalie on their U15 team, and its a real time commitment to practice in Leesburg even from there.

3d is moving their training base from Leesburg to Rockville Sportsplex next season. Sounds like they got the message that the good players from other parts of the beltway are not finding Leesburg accessible. They are also doing winter box training / league in Annapolis for some winter teams, so I does sound like they are getting diversified locations wise.

Also, what the heck happened at VLC? Vienna rec teams can beat them now.

Madlax has youth (not HS) players from Charlottesville, Manasas, and Stafford so players are willing to travel for a good team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Signed our sons up for one Madlax clinic each. We are not a Madlax family

Yeah, right. Read the rest of your paragraph and it's the same stuff you bring up every single month. And the replies are the same replies brought up every time. Don't you get tired of spewing the same lies non-stop?

S

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard for 3d to get players from all over the region when their practice fields are in outer Loudon County.

Amen. If you live inside the beltway its just too far to go in rush hour traffic. I know a kid from Vienna who plays goalie on their U15 team, and its a real time commitment to practice in Leesburg even from there.

3d is moving their training base from Leesburg to Rockville Sportsplex next season. Sounds like they got the message that the good players from other parts of the beltway are not finding Leesburg accessible. They are also doing winter box training / league in Annapolis for some winter teams, so I does sound like they are getting diversified locations wise.

Also, what the heck happened at VLC? Vienna rec teams can beat them now.

What winter box training/league is going on in Annapolis?

What lies? That is a lame reply. Why has VLC been decimated as a youth lacrosse program?

The winter box league is the Annapolis Indoor Lacrosse League.
Some very good teams and it is very well run. It is not "true" box because they don't allow all of the hitting but they do play with small goals, and the goalies are padded up. My son is playing in it and loves it. He played last year as well.
Both a JV and a Varsity league

There is an Annapolis winter lacrosse league. Some high schools and clubs including 3d teams. It has some good club and HS programs have teams entered.

Now why the VLC push back on lies and lying liars. What that is thrown out is wrong? That club is stripped down to a coaching staff of the town HS coach, a town rec coach and parental coaches and administrators. The 2015 team is done, and the stripped down 2016 & 2017 teams are moving a long pretty well but are not great teams and their youth teams are basically like Next Level or Cavalier lacrosse now. VLC youth teams play in B tournaments or B divisions of tournaments. That VLC winter skills and drills thing on in the snow at Flint Hill HS is a rip off relative to Maxlax or other indoor winter offerings and I am not a Madlax parent or a prior poster on what you think is a sore topic. So which is it? Is all written above just lies or do you have some substance to respond with?

VLC is not interesting enough to anyone to discuss. This is getting to be like beating down on a program already kicked to the curb by Madlax. Who cares, let them pat each other on the back at the Great Falls Starbucks.

Why not just promote Madlax and 3d instead of repeating the same libel over and over again, hoping some new parents get duped and believe these lies?

Last I checked, Blackwolf and VLC have nearly 50% more college commits than Madlax. As for 3d, do they have even 1 college commit from their MidAtlantic program?

3d has several commits on their HS teams. They'd rather brag about winning games than how many kids they commit.

I do not hear anyone saying Blackwolf is no good. And when they talk bad about VLC they are talking about the youth teams. There high school teams are still strong. But there 2019 and below are playing B level not AA like Madlax or the other clubs. Please prove me wrong and show me VLC teams playing a high A or AA schedule anywhere coming up this spring or summer. I always say this area has the talent for 3 AA teams at any age. Its just we all fight to much and spread the talent to 7 teams or more. Like they say "Crabs in a bucket"!

The Annapolis League is actually 30 minutes from Annapolis and has been around for many years, when 3d bought Propel Lacrosse they took over the league, not a bad league.

Did anyone hear of 3d looking to purchase Rising Sons in PA to enter that market?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Annapolis League is actually 30 minutes from Annapolis and has been around for many years, when 3d bought Propel Lacrosse they took over the league, not a bad league.

The Annapolis box league is terrific fun. The most fun my son has had playing the game and the level of play is very high but the league is real low key. Just a great way to get out there and play fast and keep fit.

Is it too late to get into the Annapolis Box league? Do the teams entered take walk ons?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it too late to get into the Annapolis Box league? Do the teams entered take walk ons?

It is too late for Annapolis Indoor Lacrosse League. They are not real box. They are Field/Box Hybrid. The league started 12/6.

For real Box, look into JR B.I.L.L. They start on 1/6 and have real former Box players running it. Just google it and go to the Stone Alley website that hosts them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3d has several commits on their HS teams. They'd rather brag about winning games than how many kids they commit.

Please name them. 3d's entire 2016 team left for Virginia Elite.

3d has seven D1 commits on their current 2016 roster, and no I will not. None of those families really appreciate the bragging mentality. I don't know much about the Fuze 2016 team that left or why they left, but the current 2016 team has several MIAA kids and other strong Annapolis area kids on it. Get back to beating each other up Madlax and VLC, 3d seems to be doing ok without any of this trash talking over teenage sons. Maybe 3d is on an upswing now because families want to get away from the mud slinging. Judging from this thread can't blame them.

Isn't Virginia Elite a lacrosse league or is it also a club? Had not heard of it and we live in Fairfax.

The 3d 2016 team from last summer left to do their own team under their high school coach. It was a Fuze team, and those kids wanted to keep playing together. 3d definitely came to town and cleaned house and brought in mostly new players in the fall. If what you are trying to note is that 3d has an epidemic of kids leaving already, that is not true. The kids who moved on either tried out and didn't make the teams and the 2016 team which left to stay together. 3d doesn't struggle to place boys and girls into college lacrosse and have both kids who came over as commits or have committed since arriving. I don't understand the vitriol and it would be better to keep 3d out of the Madlax and VLC fighting, which is amusing to people outside your programs but not that fascinating.

Virginia Elite Lacrosse has three teams: 2016, 2017 & 2018

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3d has seven D1 commits on their current 2016 roster, and no I will not. None of those families really appreciate the bragging mentality. I don't know much about the Fuze 2016 team that left or why they left, but the current 2016 team has several MIAA kids and other strong Annapolis area kids on it. Get back to beating each other up Madlax and VLC, 3d seems to be doing ok without any of this trash talking over teenage sons. Maybe 3d is on an upswing now because families want to get away from the mud slinging. Judging from this thread can't blame them.

One kid from PVI was just announced going to VMI. But to the poster's original question, there aren't any other 3d commits from THIS area. 3d is trying to hodgepodge guys from this area and Maryland who were dissatisfied with their current clubs. There are no listed college commits from their MidAtlantic team on the 3d website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isn't Virginia Elite a lacrosse league or is it also a club? Had not heard of it and we live in Fairfax.

I had never heard of them either. Their website says "Our goal is to offer year-round high quality lacrosse experiences that help youth and HS lacrosse players to achieve their potential. Starting with introduction to lacrosse program camps/ clinics through advanced skills camps/ clinics and our elite laxer training programs, leagues and tournaments, we want to ensure that the true spirit of the game is maintained and strengthened through a strong collaboration with area Youth and HS coaches from across Northern VA and the greater Wash Metro area."

A couple of the MLL guys who started Rogue lacrosse appear to be affiliated with VEL (Steven Brooks and Terry Kimener). Rogue used to offer clinics in conjunction with VLC out at Flint Hill but now appear to be based out of upstate New [lacrosse].

All of 3d's HS commits came over in the summer or in the fall and all of them came up with other clubs like Crabs, Hawks, Madlax. 3d just started in the summer, so it isn't like these kids grew up 3d. Blackwolf has been doing the same thing for years now taking in kids who are committed or are about to. I think these club credentials can be very misleading when a kid grows up Madlax and then hops to another club where he played 2 tournaments and became a Blackwolf or a 3d commit. The clubs do it to the extent they can get a kid committed or soon to be committed to suit up for them at an event. Paul Rabil didn't play in his first Crabs tournament until he was 18, and look who is pictured as a Crab on their website.

Once again no parent should care about the team/club as a whole they should be putting there kid in the best place at the best time to get to where he wants/can go. There is only 10 spots on the field at a time. And there is a 100 or so kids who can or will play in college in the NOVA area at a time. And there is another 100 kids who think they can play in college. 200 divided into 25 is what 8 teams. Every parent should be looking to place or moved there kid between these teams to find the best fit for them. Goalies and Attackman really need to always be shopping. Point is you are only hurting you kid if you do not find the best place for him every year.

One kid from PVI was just announced going to VMI. But to the poster's original question, there aren't any other 3d commits from THIS area. 3d is trying to hodgepodge guys from this area and Maryland who were dissatisfied with their current clubs. There are no listed college commits from their MidAtlantic team on the 3d website. [/quote]

Ms. Beckwith. 3d MidAtlantic doesn't publish commits for boys or for girls on the 3d website. There are commits who came from other clubs for their own reasons, and none of those reasons have anything to do with you or some PVI kid who committed to VMI, and good for him whomever that may be.

What I find interesting is there is one freshman lacrosse player at UVa who grew up Madlax, went to Landon and was invisible during the NLI period last year. One Landon 2014 UVa early commit was dumped by UVa last year and is going to some D3 school now. He applied to UVa and was admitted, and walked onto the lacrosse team and is on the roster. Which kid would your son want to be in a few years? The one dumped or the one added. Today a 2015 goalie committed to Duke and he is going on an academic scholarship. The 3d MidAtlantic team has one kid who committed to an ACC school more than a year ago and it is still non-public. Parents and their kids making the world of being a commit are misplacing a lot of their energies and it certainly is no guarantee.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Virginia Elite Lacrosse has three teams: 2016, 2017 & 2018

VEL ran a fantastic fall high school league. Very professional and well managed. Until today I didn't realize they also had high school teams. Is this a club team or really just a high school coach having his kids out of season like PVI does?

I'll go way out on a limb here and ask this, aren't more than half the D1 lacrosse scholarship schools ones you don't want your kid to go to? There is a short list of ones you do dream of like three service academies, ivy or patriot league schools, then a few more like Notre Dame and Georgetown. If I paid private school tuitions and club dues for years and my kid went to Bryant College or Monmouth I'd be drinking heavily before noon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll go way out on a limb here and ask this, aren't more than half the D1 lacrosse scholarship schools ones you don't want your kid to go to? There is a short list of ones you do dream of like three service academies, ivy or patriot league schools, then a few more like Notre Dame and Georgetown. If I paid private school tuitions and club dues for years and my kid went to Bryant College or Monmouth I'd be drinking heavily before noon.

Good point. I will take it one step further. There are approximately 75% of current Div 1 schools that we had no academic interest in whatsoever. Why send your kid to an inferior academic school just to play lacrosse? From our standpoint, we narrowed the Div 1 field down very quickly to 15-18 or so schools very quickly.

The VEL Teams are travel teams, made up of players from numerous high schools (not affiliated with any school).

Man, only 15-18 schools or else the odds junior will be back living with us go way up. I wish I'd pushed swimming or tennis harder. Those are boring to tears to watch but a lot more good schools.

The VEL teams are awful. The guy who runs VEL is the Langley coach. He is swimming in money now with that VEL fall league. He was with VLC, then jumped to Fuze and now decided to start his own club. The three teams they have are pretty bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The VEL teams are awful. The guy who runs VEL is the Langley coach. He is swimming in money now with that VEL fall league. He was with VLC, then jumped to Fuze and now decided to start his own club. The three teams they have are pretty bad.

He runs a good high school league in the fall. If he is a HS coach doing a club to give his kids opportunities to play in fall or summer, that is a good thing.

I like that there is lower level or bad teams out there. The more options the better. I only feel bad for the kid who is a top level player that gets talked in to or presured into playing for a lower level or bad team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like that there is lower level or bad teams out there. The more options the better. I only feel bad for the kid who is a top level player that gets talked in to or presured into playing for a lower level or bad team.

Great point. A million kids play this sport now, and like all other sports the base of the pyramid has to be recreational or non-elite teams and players. It is important to have both higher and lower tier programs if lacrosse is going to flourish as a sport.

How narrow minded and pompous of you to degrade these schools. There is a school for everyone, and not necessarily ivy/patriot/top 10-15 D1. My son is not going to any school in this list. Is he going where we think he will have the best chances to succeed in the classroom and on the field? Yes, without a doubt. Do we think that his future coaches are top-notch and has our son's academic well-being as a top priority? Yes, without a doubt. Keep an open mind.

Oh come on. My brother went to Bryant College and majored in Naragansett Light and minored in reefer. In the 1960s families didn't waste money on 5th tier colleges and just went into a vocation. My brother did well for himself as a joke homebuilder but that had nothing to do with his college degree. But you are right, if you want a degree factory degree to play D1 bro lax go on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh come on. My brother went to Bryant College and majored in Naragansett Light and minored in reefer. In the 1960s families didn't waste money on 5th tier colleges and just went into a vocation. My brother did well for himself as a joke homebuilder but that had nothing to do with his college degree. But you are right, if you want a degree factory degree to play D1 bro lax go on.

And the "Duke" commits will enjoy being fans of the game. They will have the best seats in the house while riding the pine. But dad will have a shirt to wear.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The VEL teams are awful. The guy who runs VEL is the Langley coach. He is swimming in money now with that VEL fall league. He was with VLC, then jumped to Fuze and now decided to start his own club. The three teams they have are pretty bad.

He runs a good high school league in the fall. If he is a HS coach doing a club to give his kids opportunities to play in fall or summer, that is a good thing.

Generally speaking, more clubs means more opportunities for more kids, so that is good from the perspective of the kids in this area.

But ask the kids who play for his HS team whether or not he pressures them to play for whatever club team he's coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh come on. My brother went to Bryant College and majored in Naragansett Light and minored in reefer. In the 1960s families didn't waste money on 5th tier colleges and just went into a vocation. My brother did well for himself as a joke homebuilder but that had nothing to do with his college degree. But you are right, if you want a degree factory degree to play D1 bro lax go on.

And the "Duke" commits will enjoy being fans of the game. They will have the best seats in the house while riding the pine. But dad will have a shirt to wear.

The final chapters of a Landon lacrosse player. They did one 2014 Landon recruit a favor to say don't bother to enroll next year year. Ouch.

This issue happens with all college sports big schools take top 5 kids at the same postions every year. and there is only one ball and one spot. This is way they say pick a school you want to go to then look at the team. I really think there is no losers if a kid gets 4 years at Duke and never scores a goal. I am sure the new BMW will help him get over the pain.

When a kid verbally commits to Duke when he is 15 does the dad get a Duke shirt then or does he have to wait five years until the kid enrolls? And is it just one shirt, or is it home white and away blue for dads?

They go to Duke because dad pays their way. Committ.....really....just have dad pay. So right on when you say they get the Beamer upon graduation. Dads are allotted 12.5 shirts a year for the team.......same as the scholarship amount. Senior dads get first crack each year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They go to Duke because dad pays their way. Committ.....really....just have dad pay. So right on when you say they get the Beamer upon graduation. Dads are allotted 12.5 shirts a year for the team.......same as the scholarship amount. Senior dads get first crack each year.

If a dad has attended more showcase events, can he get a choice between a white and a blue one? If a dad commits to a blue one, can he de-commit and go with the white one later? Do dads that have also paid IAC or MIAA school tuitions get second crack after the senior dads? Are there bonus shirts if your kid's namesake is above three roman numerals, nee Winthrop IV? This early recruiting thing is so complicated and hard to navigate.

The MD kids who are playing for 3d are the ones who couldn't make Crabs, FCA, etc. There are not 6 legitimate D1 players on that 2016 team.

There aren't 6 legitimate D1 players on the FCA or Crabs 2016 teams either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There aren't 6 legitimate D1 players on the FCA or Crabs 2016 teams either.

There are 16, you idiot.

CRABS 2016 - Early Verbals

Brendan O'Neil - Mid - Haverford JHU
Braden Atkinson - Mid - Calvert Hall JHU
Tyler Rockhill - Mid - St. Pauls UMD
Mitch Gordon - Att - St. Pauls UNC
Joe Pollard - Att - St. Pauls JHU
Paul Steel - Def - Bullis JHU
Barrett Sutley -Mid - McDonogh PSU
Dave Lizana -Mid - Boys Latin Furman
Kane Randolph -LPM St Marys PSU
Jackson Morrill - A - McDonogh Yale
Arman Medghalchi - D - McDonogh Princeton
Logan Wisnauskas - A- Boys Latin Syracuse
Nicky Petkevich -A/M- Bullis Colgate

Joe Stein -M- Bullis Bucknell

Hunter Tyler -M- Severn Towson

Jake Simon -G- Bullis Brown (PG'17)

looking at that list, would it be fair to suggest that the schools these kids go to have a lot to do with the marketing of the players to colleges? it seems like if you just make varsity at some of these MIAA and IAC schools you will play D1 lacrosse. which is also saying D1 lacrosse is a pretty pathetic sport right now if over 20 kids from the same high school team are doing D1. that never happens in a real sport. Gonzaga is top shelf in football and they send what, 3-4 D1 major conference kids out every year? and that is pretty incredible to do in football.

and football has over 300 D1 scholarship programs.

Great point! Lacrosse is improving athletically, but not even close to touching football and baseketball athlectically. The sport is still predominantly a white upper class sport. Take a all-county linebacker that cannot get a sniff of college football and put a long pole in his hands and he is a lacrosse stud within two years and killing it!

Lacrosse struggles to get kids from soccer, football or basketball over because those are sports with a lot of college full scholarship opportunities and are legitimate money making careers for professionals. As delusional as it is to hope for NBA or NFL, kids at least know lacrosse can't pay their way for anything. Lacrosse has been and remains a safe harbor for upper class white kids who would get bombed off the field of any real sport. The all-county linebacker would rather play D3 football than D1 lacrosse.

Hey us 5-10 white guys need some sport to shine in..

Why would anyone allow their son to play for this guy?

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would anyone allow their son to play for this guy?

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

You really need another hobby Mrs. Beckwith.

Not again?

Where else they gonna play mrs Beckwith, VLC? LOL!!!

Lacrosse parents are the worst.

This is so funny please keep bringing the email up. It keeps Madlax on there toes and treating us better then before the email. The two young guys who are second in charge run 90% of what your son sees anyway. And these two are great guys who can Marry my daughter any day. This really goes for 100% of the coaches they are all great guys. It takes "Crazy to run Crazy" The parents in this world are just as bad or worse. And to all who read this email from our crazy owner ask where is the emails from the parents you do not see? and talk to the parents still in the program not the ones of kids who where cut from the program.

That family leaving Madlax turned out to be the greatest thing for Madlax. Deadspin could cut a doozy of a story on VLC where crazy does run crazy.

The weirdo who keeps crying about Mrs. Beckwerth needs some serious help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse parents are the worst.

Substituting "Lacrosse parents" with "The current generation of parents in youth sports" would be a more correct analogy.

U15 National Champs! U13 National Champs and World Champs! Awesome job boys, coaches and Coach Cabell! Thanks for the memories

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U15 National Champs! U13 National Champs and World Champs! Awesome job boys, coaches and Coach Cabell! Thanks for the memories

How many hold backs are on the team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U15 National Champs! U13 National Champs and World Champs! Awesome job boys, coaches and Coach Cabell! Thanks for the memories

How many hold backs are on the team?

None, it was age based you moron.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U15 National Champs! U13 National Champs and World Champs! Awesome job boys, coaches and Coach Cabell! Thanks for the memories

How many hold backs are on the team?

None, it was age based you moron.

OUCH!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]U15 National Champs! U13 National Champs and World Champs! Awesome job boys, coaches and Coach Cabell! Thanks for the memories[National Champs, good one!/quote]
How many hold backs are on the team?

None, it was age based you moron.

OUCH!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U15 National Champs! U13 National Champs and World Champs! Awesome job boys, coaches and Coach Cabell! Thanks for the memories

LOL at Madlax idiots boasting of a "national championship".

Coach Cabell sure is a gem.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

I guess it is the Program Madlax that is the National Champ for putting player together from multiple states to play in Tampa and other tournaments. How many of those players played on the same "team" throughout the year?

That tournament attracts 1-2 decent teams per division. It is a total joke to attend that one.

Well 3d,westcoast stars, and I am sure more do the same thing. And Madlax does not hide the part that the team you are playing is there National team. These travel programs are always from some kind of larger area. So all the crabs go to one school? I would like the area codes for all the hawks players. Its about being seen and playing college ball. Its the same thing as the all-star game at these one day exposure camps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That tournament attracts 1-2 decent teams per division. It is a total joke to attend that one.

So what tournament has more than 1-2 decent teams at the Youth/Middle School level?

Wondering what the Congratulations to Madlax was referring to - the Director for building out a National Program he can pull kids from to form a National Championship team? Is it really a team? Or a showcase - then not really National Champs. Might as well do what Brine and UA do - invite top kids and split up the teams. Oh, I forgot - you can't make money like that if you a travel team.

Madlax U15 team had 3 kids from Florida. All other players from the DC area team. And, a majority of the team was 2018, playing against 2017 teams.

Madlax played Brady's Bunch, FCA National 2017, and Sweetlax 2017 in the playoffs. All very good teams.

I would like the area codes for all the hawks players.

99.9% of Hawks have a 410 area code, might be one or two with a 301 area code and one player from Delaware, Hawks must be doing something right

Didn't seem to be a joke when the Turtles won. Just sayin'

Please take your hate back to Strong Island

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't seem to be a joke when the Turtles won. Just sayin'

Please take your hate back to Strong Island

The difference is that the Turtles are one team that actually plays together throughout the year. Madlax and 3D put together National All Star teams. It's a joke. It's club directors with huge egos looking for bragging rights.

Madlax is a joke for bragging about winning this stupid tournament, but they don't really have a "national team". Their national teams are almost all DC kids. The kids in their program who play in FL, CA and elsewhere are pretty bad.

3D, on the other hand, does have the ability to put national teams together and does so often.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would like the area codes for all the hawks players.

99.9% of Hawks have a 410 area code, might be one or two with a 301 area code and one player from Delaware, Hawks must be doing something right

The vast majority of Hawks are from the Annapolis area. Not that many come from Baltimore or DC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't seem to be a joke when the Turtles won. Just sayin'

Please take your hate back to Strong Island

The difference is that the Turtles are one team that actually plays together throughout the year. Madlax and 3D put together National All Star teams. It's a joke. It's club directors with huge egos looking for bragging rights.

Ok let me get this correct, it a "Joke" to pull out the best 22 kids from 5 or 6 programs and have them play in front of the best of the best. Please let me know how this is bad for the 22 kids on the team? And unless your club team is all from one high school or middle school every team is a "Joke"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax U15 team had 3 kids from Florida. All other players from the DC area team. And, a majority of the team was 2018, playing against 2017 teams.

Madlax played Brady's Bunch, FCA National 2017, and Sweetlax 2017 in the playoffs. All very good teams.

Ugh, that's because there's barely a 2017 in the MD area that could make the U-15 cut-off. The madlax team should be 2017. Sorry, dems da faks. Why else would you put a 2018 in? Because next year they will be TOO OLD! Hello, anybody home???

You are so dumb. Read this tournaments age rule cut offs.

What 5th grade team's are going?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax U15 team had 3 kids from Florida. All other players from the DC area team. And, a majority of the team was 2018, playing against 2017 teams.

Madlax played Brady's Bunch, FCA National 2017, and Sweetlax 2017 in the playoffs. All very good teams.

Ugh, that's because there's barely a 2017 in the MD area that could make the U-15 cut-off. The madlax team should be 2017. Sorry, dems da faks. Why else would you put a 2018 in? Because next year they will be TOO OLD! Hello, anybody home???

My 2017 son is a D1 commit and he is 15, just aged enough to get his driver's permit. He has club teammates who have been driving themselves to school for over a year. Funny how certain programs "disappear" when there is a U-15 tournament. Pretty much eliminates every single Maryland or Philly main line club. If you wanted to enter a Canadian team for a U-15 tournament you'd need to start raiding Edge's 2020 team.

I'll give Madlax due credit for getting a U-15 team together. The other clubs would be too embarrassed to trot out 6th and 7th grade holdbacks to get a beat down against boys their own age. Would wound the self esteem too much...of the parents that is. I am not a Madlax parent, but maybe some of you hey ungrateful quitter groupies and trash throwing losers should focus a bit more on helping your 16 year old with his pre-algebra homework tonite after he drives home from his intense 40 minutes at the gym to get ready for those HS varsity tryouts as a 9th grader coming up.

So what year was your son cut from Madlax or not starting for Madlax?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny how certain programs "disappear" when there is a U-15 tournament.

Because what HS student who is U15 eligible would want to play in a U15 event?

Nobody, it seems, except Madlax parents who are obsessed with bragging about a "national" championship that isn't anywhere near a national championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny how certain programs "disappear" when there is a U-15 tournament.

Because what HS student who is U15 eligible would want to play in a U15 event?

Nobody, it seems, except Madlax parents who are obsessed with bragging about a "national" championship that isn't anywhere near a national championship.

If my son's club asked him to play for a national championship we'd go. His club can't because of all the holdback nonsense. They'd have to take 7th grade team. The [lacrosse]'s tournament is a merit based entrance based on the performance of clubs at other feeder tournaments which all the top clubs go to. Turtles, FCA and 3d national went in 2013. Not sure about 2014. It is pretty classless to take this tone on a Madlax accomplishment. For you to say no self respecting 2017 would go is incorrect, hardly any of these 2017s can go because they play down so much and are aged out. If Jake Reed went age based, all the lemmings would go. Same with Maverick Showtime. Go sell some VLC t shirts.

Madlax did not name the tournament, so how would you like them to annouce there tournament win? Would you like there Tweet to look like this "Madlax U15 National team just won the Fake over hyped Dicks National Champoinship." This tournament is a good warm up for when they play in the Young Guns and tournaments like that. They do not play with the National players very often 3 times a year at the most.

It is fair to say every lacrosse tournament is watered down now including the come one come all Crabfeast and Young Guns. The only tournament I can think of that limits to less than a dozen teams and all the teams are invite only and best in their year is the Adrenaline Platinum Cup. This sport has blown so bigger and there are so many more organized tournaments run by the top clubs that it is never going to be the case that one tournament will get all the best teams, or even most of them. There are also always going to be great teams you'll never see. If your kid plays for Madlax you'll never see the Adrenaline teams, if you are Crabs you'll never see 3d or Blackwolf, and if you are 3d you'll never see anybody else because they run their own tournaments. This all seems to be because the club owners run in little herds and don't want to invite their rivals to play.

AAU basketball is the only youth sport that has the best of the best play each other. But youth football has 3 strong leagues that never play national together. Soccer I have no idea because I am not from Spain or France. I think youth baseball has 3 or more large league names to keep all the teams apart. Youth softball lets there teams play in all three of there major leagues. But you have to lose and gain players becasue of the age rules. Just saying its the same everywhere I am guessing from my veiw point

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If my son's club asked him to play for a national championship we'd go. His club can't because of all the holdback nonsense. They'd have to take 7th grade team. The [lacrosse]'s tournament is a merit based entrance based on the performance of clubs at other feeder tournaments which all the top clubs go to. Turtles, FCA and 3d national went in 2013. Not sure about 2014. It is pretty classless to take this tone on a Madlax accomplishment. For you to say no self respecting 2017 would go is incorrect, hardly any of these 2017s can go because they play down so much and are aged out. If Jake Reed went age based, all the lemmings would go. Same with Maverick Showtime. Go sell some VLC t shirts.

As a Madlax parent, please stop taking shots at other clubs, especially when it has nothing to do with the topic. The Deadspin article is bad enough. Making the attacks over and over again doesn't make us look very good.

I agree with the other Madlax parent. Madlax is a very well run club and has great teams as a whole from top to bottom. Taking shots at VLC or any other local team does no one any good. We should all support all the local travel teams as a whole. These kids on all these teams are our sons friends and classmates in most cases.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree with the other Madlax parent. Madlax is a very well run club and has great teams as a whole from top to bottom. Taking shots at VLC or any other local team does no one any good. We should all support all the local travel teams as a whole. These kids on all these teams are our sons friends and classmates in most cases.

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Congratulations to Madlax 2019's on their World and National Championships. Amazing 2014!

Have a fun 2015

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Congratulations to Madlax 2019's on their World and National Championships. Amazing 2014!

Have a fun 2015

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Congratulations to Madlax 2019's on their World and National Championships. Amazing 2014!

Have a fun 2015

Actually, I think the entire Madlax program won the GALACTIC championship as well.

Did any 2018s commit to New Jersey School of Interior Design yet?

I guess you are trying to upset someone from Madlax with this post. How can can you talk bad about the 4 players from 2018 and the schools they are going to. If they pick these same schools next year or the year after would you still be upset. The players you are trying to bad mouth are great players and will be great players in 4 years and the schools that picked them know this. If you look at 90% of all the early signings they are the kids that are bigger and project to become bigger. Its a smart gamble for these schools when they have 50 or so man rosters and only 10 people on the field at once. So in theroy they only need to hit on a 1 to 5 ratio.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you are trying to upset someone from Madlax with this post. How can can you talk bad about the 4 players from 2018 and the schools they are going to. If they pick these same schools next year or the year after would you still be upset. The players you are trying to bad mouth are great players and will be great players in 4 years and the schools that picked them know this. If you look at 90% of all the early signings they are the kids that are bigger and project to become bigger. Its a smart gamble for these schools when they have 50 or so man rosters and only 10 people on the field at once. So in theroy they only need to hit on a 1 to 5 ratio.

That's the JHU, UVa and UNC early recruiting math. How's that 1 in 5 working out for those programs of late? The combined NCAA tournament wins in the past 3 years is 3. With due respect, good for the kids bad for the programs. Early recruiting is leading to disastrous impact on the youth game starting with 7th and 8th graders, and has so far resulting in garbage for results at the premier early recruiting programs. It is a dumb gamble by the NCAA programs, and is a silly thing when kids who have no HS grades are "committed" to colleges they may not be admitted at. UVa admissions said hasta la vista to two commits last year, and did not admit two verbally committed kids this year. The numbers go up at the Ivy schools. Princeton admissions declined 4 lacrosse recruits this December. Coach is basically doing a resume...he can't coach and not he can't recruit.

Well you want to do the math of the kids who they pick up in there Jr or Sr. year. I am pretty sure the number of the kids working out is pretty close. Its a guessing game thats why they are betting on the 8th/9th grade kids so they can get a head start. Of all the kids from 4 or 5 years ago who where picked up in there fresh. or soph. year how many of them worked out? And if they had waited do you want me to think they would of never got signed by these same schools just in there Jr. or Sr. year? I think not they surely would of.

"The players ... will be great players in 4 years and the schools that picked them know this. If you look at 90% of all the early signings they are the kids that are bigger and project to become bigger."

Could be the dumbest statement to date.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The players you are trying to bad mouth are great players and will be great players in 4 years and the schools that picked them know this.

Nobody knows if a HS freshman who commits to a university will be a great player in 4 years, let alone some random lax dad.

The point is no one knows who is going to be a great college Lax player. I am sure the Math is the same for kids they find there Sr. year. They D1 schools get 50 or more trys to find 18 studs every year. Its a numbers game its better for them to guess on 9th graders and then wait and pick up the late growers. If there college rosters where 25 kids they would have to do it your way. but they are not and this is the best way for them to do it.

I can only think of one reason why lacrosse is running rosters up to 50, 55, 60 now as a 12.6 sport where there's 10 on the field and maybe 18 on a given roster who play a lot. A lot of lacrosse parents will pay most or all of tuition to have their kid attend a college to play lacrosse. That is good for business if you are a university. Let's face it, none of these kids or parents would be clamoring go to to schools like Quinnipiac, Monmouth or High Point. Those are close to "I sign your name" to get admitted schools. In the end this is better targeted advertising for colleges trying to market for tuition paying students than the hundreds of emails kids get after taking the PSAT and scoring above the bottom quartile.

Quinnipiac is not an easy school to get into academically.

Just pulled the stat, its 45 is the avg. D1 roster size. with D2 being 38 and D3 being 34. The above commit is also correct in that most Lacrosse parents can send there kid to school on there on dime. They just want them to be able to get into the school they want them to go to. So the top schools can afford to gamble on a 9th grader because they will still get the senior to come to there school and play. He just will have to pay for all of his first year until he kicks but and earns more cash.

Quinnipiac acceptance rate is 63% in 2010 do with what you want with this stat. I was to lazy to find a 2014.

Wow very surprised to hear 63% acceptance rate. Thought it would have been higher then that. Thanks for info

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quinnipiac is not an easy school to get into academically.

If you spell your own name wrong on the application. Who are you trying to fool?

Lacrosse colleges with high acceptance rates in %s:

Denver 67.6
Quinnipiac 68.7
Fairfield 69.4
Delaware 59.4
Bellarmine 86.1
Towson 52.2
Mt. Saint Mary's 55.5
UMBC 61.4
Loyola 64.6
UMass 62.6
UMass Lowell 65.8
U Detroit 61.5
Rutgers 60.8
NJIT 63.7
Monmouth 71.1
Syracuse 51.3
UAlbany 51.3
High Point 64.2
Penn State 54.7
Drexel 74.9
Bryant 76.7
Furman 77.5
UVermont 76.7

That is 23 D1 scholarship schools in this sport using acceptancerate.com as a source.

So looking at this list it really depends on how smart your son is. I got a public school B student. So these numbers make me happy. But I can see how the parents paying 20k for high school could be upset if there kid picks one of these schools. I just told my son when he was U11 that if he keeps making the teams I would find a way to pay for it. Same with college and college lacrosse thats all a parent should do support there kids and there dreams and goals. There is no way to put a price on it and try to say if its worth the money or not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So looking at this list it really depends on how smart your son is. I got a public school B student. So these numbers make me happy. But I can see how the parents paying 20k for high school could be upset if there kid picks one of these schools. I just told my son when he was U11 that if he keeps making the teams I would find a way to pay for it. Same with college and college lacrosse thats all a parent should do support there kids and there dreams and goals. There is no way to put a price on it and try to say if its worth the money or not.

Excellent post. The economics of men's college lacrosse are resoundingly terrible versus other sports. 12.6 over 45-60 roster positions now. Sports paid for my college and also got me to a better college I merited on academics alone. I also keep telling my kids keep at your interests and passions, and let us adults worry about the bills to cover them. College sports SHOULD be about two things. One is a financial variable, and the economics of men's college lacrosse are abysmal. 12.6 over rosters of 45-55 that are trending higher is not something for any responsible parent to focus on. If there is financial need there are forms of financial aid and academic scholarships if kids are good students. The other is what I call "marrying up" variable, which means sports can get you admitted into a better school than a kid may otherwise get into on plain application merits without a sports boost. It is a real big mistake to "commit" to a school like Denver or High Point that passports basically anyone in with mediocre grades just to have a sports social status, but that is just opinion. B students, if recruited, can go to some nifty colleges and that is the real victory. Trust me, it happened when I got that benefit and that benefit is still alive and well. Not on that list are some great academic schools that also have lacrosse programs, the service academies, etc. Lacrosse is using you - the parents - so use it back. As a parent I never went into this thinking Madlax or other club owners are my friends or that they have our families best interests in mind, because beyond coaching them in a youth sport and giving our kids a venue to enjoy this they don't have my best interests in mind.

If you are really lucky you can play a kids game for a few more years in college. What I can appreciate is looking back I enjoyed it all. Youth, HS and college sports. A kid gets the same kick out of being on a championship team or getting other accolades out of every level just the same. My parents were just as excited to see me out there playing for a town rec team as a little guy as they were later to see me compete in college, and I am grateful for that. It is a lot harder for us to pull that off in this club lacrosse cesspool, but I'm trying.

can add:
Ohio State 64.0%
Canisius 73.9%
Hofstra 58.8%
Mercer 63.1%
Robert Morris 82.3%
Siena 62.8%
St. Josephs 61.8%
Wagner 71.9%

This constitutes 31 D1 lacrosse programs at schools with acceptance rates above 50% to over 85%. This also constitutes over half of the D1 lacrosse men's lacrosse scholarship schools taking into consideration no athletic grant-in-aid at Ivy or service academies. I have no idea if there are some D1 programs that are under funded or not fully funded with the 12.6 max.

At the other extreme, obviously are the remaining Patriot League schools (Bucknell, et al) some ACC, Hopkins, Ivies and the 100% free ride service academies:
West Point 9.0%
Navy 6.8%
Air Force 9.9%

Very sobering for lacrosse parents not only looking for scholarship dough but also for a good academic college focus.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Congratulations to Madlax 2019's on their World and National Championships. Amazing 2014!

Have a fun 2015

Actually, I think the entire Madlax program won the GALACTIC championship as well.

L O L !

Ok let me get this worked out. You talk bad about people who only care about there kids getting to college and the money they should get. Then you talk bad about people when they talk about the titles and championships they won. When they list the titles they give a link and full name feel free to look it up and see how big of a deal it is. They are not making up the names for the championships the win. They Play in the NPYLL they play in Crabfest. Where else would you like Madlax as a whole to play in to prove they are good or not?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok let me get this worked out. You talk bad about people who only care about there kids getting to college and the money they should get. Then you talk bad about people when they talk about the titles and championships they won. When they list the titles they give a link and full name feel free to look it up and see how big of a deal it is. They are not making up the names for the championships the win. They Play in the NPYLL they play in Crabfest. Where else would you like Madlax as a whole to play in to prove they are good or not?

Because nobody would ever call that tournament a "national championship".

Must be nice giving your money and exposing your son to a psychopath.

That is the name of it ! You want them to rename the darn thing? I am sure your club puts all your wins on there website also. My son was raised to handle anything a coach could say to him. My family is not scared of a nasty email. And once again I am sorry your son was cut or yelled at to loud my a Madlax coach.

It's a rival club stirring the pot.

How about calling it the actual title: [lacrosse]'S Sporting Goods Tournament of Champions.

Instead, some lunatic Madlax dads and moms need to brag in the carpool line that they won the national championship.

Sad. As for the owner, being tough on kids is one thing. Threatening a kid and his family for wanting a change of scenery? You are REALLY defending that?

[quote=Anonymous]That is the name of it ! You want them to rename the darn thing? I am sure your club puts all your wins on there website also. My son was raised to handle anything a coach could say to him. My family is not scared of a nasty email. And once again I am sorry your son was cut or yelled at to loud my a Madlax coach.

Who did you beat in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP......The Mary Dobkin All Stars from Marin County?

All of this is getting old. Move on turd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of this is getting old. Move on turd.

The only turd is the jerk that you give monthly checks to. Whoever heard of a club that charges its families on a monthly basis just to be part of their "academy"?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]That is the name of it ! You want them to rename the darn thing? I am sure your club puts all your wins on there website also. My son was raised to handle anything a coach could say to him. My family is not scared of a nasty email. And once again I am sorry your son was cut or yelled at to loud my a Madlax coach.

Who did you beat in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP......The Mary Dobkin All Stars from Marin County?

Thats a funny!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]All of this is getting old. Move on turd.

The only turd is the jerk that you give monthly checks to. Whoever heard of a club that charges its families on a monthly basis just to be part of their "academy"?

This is now known as the "pay monthly turd academy".

That money is why Madlax has not a single Parent coach or member of any staff from U11 to High School. I will pay the extra money for that any day. Madlax takes the best players no matter where they go to high school or how much money there parents make. I have been seeing it for the last 5 years and it happens every season. If your kids is better he plays and makes the team. That is a fact in my eyes I have seen it proven over and over again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That money is why Madlax has not a single Parent coach or member of any staff from U11 to High School. I will pay the extra money for that any day. Madlax takes the best players no matter where they go to high school or how much money there parents make. I have been seeing it for the last 5 years and it happens every season. If your kids is better he plays and makes the team. That is a fact in my eyes I have seen it proven over and over again.

You imply that Madlax is unique in this respect, which it is not. There are many other clubs that do not use parents as coaches, so please don't suggest that Madlax is unique in that respect.

Our son plays for a club that is a non-profit, has incredible players and their focus is getting kids recruited, not lining their pockets with excessive fees. Madlax can't say that.

Please name this club you are talking about. And I am sure they are in bed with 1 or a couple high schools. Or if its Blackwolf they have what 3 teams or 4 so cant really compare the two. And Also if this club is in Maryland it is not really an option for anyone who lives in Va. So I am sure there are clubs that are better then Madlax but to say they do a bad job is crazy and makes you sound crazy. And it always cracks me up to hear anyone talk about how much anyone pays for there kid to play Lacrosse. Its all to much money and we are all crazy. And to compare a club cost of 500$ plus or minus is really silly to care about.

There is a non-profit boys club team that is good? Please enlighten us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a non-profit boys club team that is good? Please enlighten us.

Every high level lacrosse club is non-profit. Every single one. For example:
"The Baltimore Lacrosse Club, Inc is a 501-C-3 state registered non profit." The way Crabs and other clubs do this is to have one entity that is a non-profit to which you pay your club dues and then the club pays coaches, fields, tournament fees, etc.

Now is the not so tricky part, most high level club owners have a second for profit entity to do events such as tournaments, camps and clinics. For the Crabs, this is the B'More Lax Company. If you have ever registered for a Crabs event, you'll notice the different entity https://leagueathletics.com/Default.asp?org=bmorelaxco.com

Ditto Madlax, and other clubs for this recipe. Pretty much every club will make this very clear on their website or if you asked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ditto Madlax, and other clubs for this recipe.

Except Madlax is 100% purely a FOR-PROFIT company. All the profits go straight into the owner's pockets. It is about profit margin.

And if you are a Republican, You know that every thing that is for profit is better and run better and will always be better at least thats what FOX news tells me.

When you have a friend build you something you can not complain its not prefect. When you pay full price you can make the guy go back and fix it and make it prefect. So its kinda the same with Madlax you are paying for them, so they work for us. So if they are making a living off your kid getting better and being better and winning more. I am still waiting for the bad part. They do not have to do favors or kiss up to a high school program/coach.

Please name another club that CHARGES parents to advocate for their son's college lacrosse recruitment?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And if you are a Republican, You know that every thing that is for profit is better and run better and will always be better at least thats what FOX news tells me.

And if it was gov't run or a Liberal Democrat type of non profit it would cost 3 times as much, be highly inefficient and employ twice as many people who most likely will stand there staring at each other doing nothing. Oh yeah, the quality would spiral into the toilet having people like you begging for the free enterprise system that was in place originally. At least that's what reality tells me.

Now let's keep the politics out of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please name another club that CHARGES parents to advocate for their son's college lacrosse recruitment?

Please just stop it. Please just stop it. Please just stop it. If you'd like to think MadLax is more in for the dough than the next club owner, fine. Maybe MadLax falls into the more overbearing on the money grab scale and maybe not. I am pretty sure if your club owner runs events or camps or clinics, those would be for profit ventures as well. If they weren't and you happen to be on the only elite lacrosse club whose owner is doing only the Lord's work to help the children then I apologize.

By the way, do you know or know of people who will advocate for my kid for free? What I mean by that is some club owner who will get me free videographers to do highlight reels and will let my son play for his club for free?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ditto Madlax, and other clubs for this recipe.

Except Madlax is 100% purely a FOR-PROFIT company. All the profits go straight into the owner's pockets. It is about profit margin.

And what do you think happens on the non-profit side coffers for part of the club fees you pay? They go to tournaments. If I gander to guess which club you are from, those funds would go from the non-profit club coffers to the B'more Lax Co or to the Aloha events for-profit side. There is nothing unique to your club or wrong about that. All events are for-profit things. You are correct that it is all about profit margin. 80 teams at $2,500 per on fields rented from your buddies at MIAA schools that your club feeds, then insurance then refs pay with donuts and coffee isn't a shabby paycheck for a weekend event. I don't find a fault in these guys charging or making the money, but really, if you believe there is anything philantropic going in inside your own club den you are sadly mistaken.

If you pay someone to do something you have power if they are doing it for free/good of it you are at there mercey. And when its for profit you do not get your feeling hurt when your kid gets cut for some kid who is better. You know this coming in no favors no back room deals. The extra money if there really is more then everyone else is worth it. If you pay them you can say call these 5 colleges and they will or tell you why they wont. If its free or just on there schedule once again you are on his schedule. Thats how the USA works.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please name another club that CHARGES parents to advocate for their son's college lacrosse recruitment?

So you think Madlax will hang up on a coach if the kid did not pay for the extra service. I know for a fact you are told to use any of the coaches names and numbers on any thing you want to fill out. And I know they pick the phone up and answer any question the college coach has. That extra package is open to anyone even non Madlax players. And there is several things out on the internet just like it for more or the same amount of money.

Madlax only charges VLC and Blackwolf kids that fee. Here were too may requests...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax only charges VLC and Blackwolf kids that fee. Here were too may requests...

Dude, please stop embarrassing us by dissing other programs. It doesn't help at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax only charges VLC and Blackwolf kids that fee. Here were too may requests...

Dude, please stop embarrassing us by dissing other programs. It doesn't help at all.

Instead of sounding like a complete pansy. How bout you stand up for your program when someone starts dissing it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax only charges VLC and Blackwolf kids that fee. Here were too may requests...

Dude, please stop embarrassing us by dissing other programs. It doesn't help at all.

Instead of sounding like a complete pansy. How bout you stand up for your program when someone starts dissing it.

You are a total idiot. The two clubs you mentioned had nothing to do with the comments made about Madlax.

Continuing to insult other clubs doesn't help out reputation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax only charges VLC and Blackwolf kids that fee. Here were too may requests...

Dude, please stop embarrassing us by dissing other programs. It doesn't help at all.

Instead of sounding like a complete pansy. How bout you stand up for your program when someone starts dissing it.

You are a total idiot. The two clubs you mentioned had nothing to do with the comments made about Madlax.

Continuing to insult other clubs doesn't help out reputation.

Still sounding like a little puss, and not a very smart one at that. The majority of the comments on this forum come from forum trolling, scumbag vlc parents.

1980 called.They want their insult back. Pansy?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax only charges VLC and Blackwolf kids that fee. Here were too may requests...

Dude, please stop embarrassing us by dissing other programs. It doesn't help at all.

Instead of sounding like a complete pansy. How bout you stand up for your program when someone starts dissing it.

You are a total idiot. The two clubs you mentioned had nothing to do with the comments made about Madlax.

Continuing to insult other clubs doesn't help out reputation.

Still sounding like a little puss, and not a very smart one at that. The majority of the comments on this forum come from forum trolling, scumbag vlc parents.

For the last time, stop making the rest of us who play for Madlax look bad. You sound as idiotic as that email.

If you would stop insulting other clubs, this thread would die.

(applause) The moral compass has returned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

(applause) The moral compass has returned.

What a pansy, puss comeback. Since that's what your post are all about I figured its appropriate to call you what you are. Btw. Your not anonymous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous](applause) The moral compass has returned.

This forum should be shut down here and sent over the the dc area urban moms blog. There are 3-4 very loud and insufferable parents from both clubs and the rest of us would really appreciate it if these two clubs could behave better and hopefully sanction these parents in some way for the vitriolic stuff that has been brewing for the last 3-4 years. Most Madlax and VLC parents are normal and would just like to take our kids to practices and games without these sideshows. The kids at these rival clubs are friends and most of the parents are too. Like one earlier poster put it, you're not anonymous. We all know who the amped up parents are from both clubs. This has been going on for so long and has created so much misery and reputation damage to BOTH clubs, that it is time to stop. And let's be honest...several of the top high school age kids have left both programs for Blackwolf, FCA and 3d. What is that telling us? No wait...this is the part where our clubs like to interject the # of commits bragging and how much other local programs stink, and so do their player and teams.

Did you even graduate from college?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum should be shut down here and sent over the the dc area urban moms blog. There are 3-4 very loud and insufferable parents from both clubs and the rest of us would really appreciate it if these two clubs could behave better and hopefully sanction these parents in some way for the vitriolic stuff that has been brewing for the last 3-4 years. Most Madlax and VLC parents are normal and would just like to take our kids to practices and games without these sideshows. The kids at these rival clubs are friends and most of the parents are too. Like one earlier poster put it, you're not anonymous. We all know who the amped up parents are from both clubs. This has been going on for so long and has created so much misery and reputation damage to BOTH clubs, that it is time to stop. And let's be honest...several of the top high school age kids have left both programs for Blackwolf, FCA and 3d. What is that telling us? No wait...this is the part where our clubs like to interject the # of commits bragging and how much other local programs stink, and so do their player and teams.

Feel free to post your thoughts as often as you like. Don't let the few nut jobs who usually make a lot of noise distract you. Remember no one here is anonymous.

Well now that everyone thinks they are no longer anonymous I see this fourm being a lot more boring. Everyone knows how the internet works and you never want your name connected to any thoughts online good or bad and we all know they will never go away. I come here to here all the anonymous thoughts. You just have to know they are all 50% true and 50% peronal thoghts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well now that everyone thinks they are no longer anonymous I see this fourm being a lot more boring. Everyone knows how the internet works and you never want your name connected to any thoughts online good or bad and we all know they will never go away. I come here to here all the anonymous thoughts. You just have to know they are all 50% true and 50% peronal thoghts.

Just goes to show ya what a bunch of pussies the tough guy posters are. Afraid to stand by your words. That's right....go hide you Chicken Sh!?s.

Back to lacrosse....Does anyone know who is officially playing in the NPYLL this spring along with who left the NPYLL and went to other spring leagues? When does the NPYLL usually post the schedules for the season?

VLC? Blackwolf? C'mon really?

What's u with UM? Is the Rambo circus too much to handle? Bad loss to Yale for sure.

Looks like MADLAX is doing well - beat the LI teams this weekend in 7th & 8th grade. Any eyewitness account on whether this is true?

I saw the 4/12 8th grade game Madlax 2019 (Orange) v. LI Expess (the team from Long Island, not Westchester) at Landon. Madlax won by a lot, but I am not entirely sure of the score (I lost track around 9-4, but heard it was 11-5 in the end).

Did not see the 7th grade Madlax 2020/Express game.

I know Express had its 2019 Westchester team at Landon on 4/12 for games, too, but Madlax 2019 (Orange) did not play them. Madlax 2019 beat the Westchester Express team in March at Landon. It was not a close game, but I do not remember the score.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like MADLAX is doing well - beat the LI teams this weekend in 7th & 8th grade. Any eyewitness account on whether this is true?

Madlax 2020 (Capital area All Star team) played in the NYPLL league this past Sunday and lost to Breakers 2020. Must have been their "National" all star team put together just for the weekend.

Well we will see what the Breakers record ends up being this season. They put good teams on the field. But I do know for a fact the two Madlax scores this weekend playing LI Express are correct. We would need to ask an LI dad to fill us in on what teams we played and if those where there best squads or not?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well we will see what the Breakers record ends up being this season. They put good teams on the field. But I do know for a fact the two Madlax scores this weekend playing LI Express are correct. We would need to ask an LI dad to fill us in on what teams we played and if those where there best squads or not?

Not an Express parent but know a few from both Long Island and North - watched the madlax game in March vs Express North (Westchester). Final was 6-3. Heard they were missing several players and dont carry as big a roster normally as many clubs do. Madlax was the better team but North was very competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like MADLAX is doing well - beat the LI teams this weekend in 7th & 8th grade. Any eyewitness account on whether this is true?

Madlax 2020 (Capital area All Star team) played in the NYPLL league this past Sunday and lost to Breakers 2020. Must have been their "National" all star team put together just for the weekend.

Point was not who is better -not sure why everything comes down to that on these forums. The point was that two madlax 2020 teams must have played this weekend and clearly the team that played li express was the better of their two teams so probably the national team as opposed to their capital area team that played locally Was not a challenge statement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like MADLAX is doing well - beat the LI teams this weekend in 7th & 8th grade. Any eyewitness account on whether this is true?

Madlax 2020 (Capital area All Star team) played in the NYPLL league this past Sunday and lost to Breakers 2020. Must have been their "National" all star team put together just for the weekend.

Madlax National teams only play together twice a year at certain tournaments. Once in the summer and once in the winter. They do not play together at any other time so I am sure that this was not their National team.

Point was not who is better -not sure why everything comes down to that on these forums. The point was that two madlax 2020 teams must have played this weekend and clearly the team that played li express was the better of their two teams so probably the national team as opposed to their capital area team that played locally Was not a challenge statement.

Well if you could get 8th graders to fly in for one game from Texas,Cali and Fl. Then you would of had the National team. But it clearly was not and you know this. This site is so full of "TROLLS" I like to read about the teams and players in the area. But we will never really now who is better or best.

The all star part would be pulling player from 2019 to play in what should be a 2020 game since some may be age eligible. Notice "7th and 8th grade" instead of by the normal graduation year used. If it did not matter then why post the note as an enticement for tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like MADLAX is doing well - beat the LI teams this weekend in 7th & 8th grade. Any eyewitness account on whether this is true?

Yes - 2019 won handily, 2020 won in OT

Non troll straight question,
How / why did VLC fall apart? They had such strong HS teams just a year or two ago, but at the youth level just cratered. Why? Too expensive, not enough coaches or good coaches, grass is greener at other clubs???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well if you could get 8th graders to fly in for one game from Texas,Cali and Fl. Then you would of had the National team. But it clearly was not and you know this. This site is so full of "TROLLS" I like to read about the teams and players in the area. But we will never really now who is better or best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The all star part would be pulling player from 2019 to play in what should be a 2020 game since some may be age eligible. Notice "7th and 8th grade" instead of by the normal graduation year used. If it did not matter then why post the note as an enticement for tryouts?

The teams are 6 and 7 graders play for 2020 and only 8th graders play for 2019. I can confirm there is not a single kid who is in the 8th grade at this time on the 2020 team for a fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Non troll straight question,
How / why did VLC fall apart? They had such strong HS teams just a year or two ago, but at the youth level just cratered. Why? Too expensive, not enough coaches or good coaches, grass is greener at other clubs???

Please stop. You post the same thing every week and it only serves to make the rest of us look poorly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well if you could get 8th graders to fly in for one game from Texas,Cali and Fl. Then you would of had the National team. But it clearly was not and you know this. This site is so full of "TROLLS" I like to read about the teams and players in the area. But we will never really now who is better or best.

Do something about the trolls. Use that big Madlax budget to get separate uniforms for the National teams so your opponents know who they are playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The all star part would be pulling player from 2019 to play in what should be a 2020 game since some may be age eligible. Notice "7th and 8th grade" instead of by the normal graduation year used. If it did not matter then why post the note as an enticement for tryouts?

The teams are 6 and 7 graders play for 2020 and only 8th graders play for 2019. I can confirm there is not a single kid who is in the 8th grade at this time on the 2020 team for a fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The all star part would be pulling player from 2019 to play in what should be a 2020 game since some may be age eligible. Notice "7th and 8th grade" instead of by the normal graduation year used. If it did not matter then why post the note as an enticement for tryouts?

The teams are 6 and 7 graders play for 2020 and only 8th graders play for 2019. I can confirm there is not a single kid who is in the 8th grade at this time on the 2020 team for a fact. [/quote

So are there two 2020 teams last week or one team that played Breakers and LI Express the same day? ]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Well if you could get 8th graders to fly in for one game from Texas,Cali and Fl. Then you would of had the National team. But it clearly was not and you know this. This site is so full of "TROLLS" I like to read about the teams and players in the area. But we will never really now who is better or best.

Do something about the trolls. Use that big Madlax budget to get separate uniforms for the National teams so your opponents know who they are playing.

Or, you could do something really unique these days. Just man-up and beat them instead of whining. Crabs do it all the time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Well if you could get 8th graders to fly in for one game from Texas,Cali and Fl. Then you would of had the National team. But it clearly was not and you know this. This site is so full of "TROLLS" I like to read about the teams and players in the area. But we will never really now who is better or best.

Do something about the trolls. Use that big Madlax budget to get separate uniforms for the National teams so your opponents know who they are playing.

Or, you could do something really unique these days. Just man-up and beat them instead of whining. Crabs do it all the time

Madlax National 2019 smoked the crabs the last time they played tuff guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well if you could get 8th graders to fly in for one game from Texas,Cali and Fl. Then you would of had the National team. But it clearly was not and you know this. This site is so full of "TROLLS" I like to read about the teams and players in the area. But we will never really now who is better or best.

Do something about the trolls. Use that big Madlax budget to get separate uniforms for the National teams so your opponents know who they are playing.

Or, you could do something really unique these days. Just man-up and beat them instead of whining. Crabs do it all the time

Madlax National 2019 smoked the crabs the last time they played tuff guy.

Nope didn't happen tuff guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Well if you could get 8th graders to fly in for one game from Texas,Cali and Fl. Then you would of had the National team. But it clearly was not and you know this. This site is so full of "TROLLS" I like to read about the teams and players in the area. But we will never really now who is better or best.

Do something about the trolls. Use that big Madlax budget to get separate uniforms for the National teams so your opponents know who they are playing.

Or, you could do something really unique these days. Just man-up and beat them instead of whining. Crabs do it all the time

Like someone has already said the National team only plays 2 times a year and they do wear a National Madlax uniform.
Also it looks like the Crabs and Madlax will be playing each other twice in Npyll this year so we will see if the Big Dogs are still at the top or the evil empire has risen to knock them off.

Did anybody notice the shake up at Madlax for the younger summer teams (formerly U13 and younger)? No more blue teams - only grade based teams. I wonder how many kids will be displaced by the change.

I think there is still the same total of teams. Before they had the two grad yeas combined into a orange and blue. Now there is just a orange for each grad year. Which if you think about it, when it was U13 it was the 7th graders on orange and the 6th graders on blue. It kinda hurts the kids that would of played up to orange but it helps the kids on blue have better players on there team. This had to happen with the total of Va club teams growing by 2 teams a year the last 5 years it seems like. It could hurt or help Madlax only time will tell.

The assumption is that any second year players on the blue will be moved to the new orange team based on graduation year. If that player was not good enough for the orange in September or March, why would they be moved up as new players tryout instead of cut? In other words, there will be 'weaker' players displaced by the change and tryouts - I wonder how many and what choices are left. Most clubs have moved to fall tryouts so . . .

Madlax gladly takes the money of anyone who tries out, which is why they field multiple teams at the youth level. Those Blue and White kids have horrible experiences. Madlax can't field teams in HS because those families have wised up by then.

I have enjoyed when my son was on the Blue team. There Blue team is still better then these other B level programs. If you want to be on a discount lacrosse club you are correct its cheaper. But there blue teams play in better tournaments then these B programs in NOVA. The rule of thumb for me is if your club team is playing in a tournament in the state of VA your club is for fun only. So I always say what is my better option? And you will always have kids who's skill level is in between AA and A or between A and B. Or you have the Parent who thinks there kid should be on A and he is B player. When you start younger with Madlax and get used to the money, you get a consistent situation. You know the teams and games will be played and be played at a above avg level. You know that it does not matter who your father is.

I count 7 teams from 2016 to 2019 being played by Madlax this summer. And 90% or more of Madlax teams are Private school kids.
Which would imply they are going to be going to a private high school. And most of the big High school Lacrosse programs in the area have summer and team camps for there Lacrosse teams. So the next thing I am going to hear is Blackwolf and guess what they are good. But that does not make Madlax "BAD" because they are good. Madlax has and will never be a bad option. There might be a better team at a certain time. But if you want to assure it will be above avg to great no matter the year or age Madlax is the best option in NOVA.

Let me ask a question do these kids that leave the blue and white teams stop playing travel lacrosse? I am guessing that is a no. Do they leave and play for a team that calls themselves a AA or A team? Is this old blue player a better player now that he is on a AA or A team? And can we show that the other clubs in NOVA can beat Madlax and there Blue or White teams?

The rosters are starting to appear for the summer teams . . . how are the tryouts going?

They are going good. Like always the turn over is more then the other clubs but with the 2020 and 2019 clubs the core kids are all back. The 2020 team lost some good players but gain some good new ones also. There is still spots to be had on this team. The 2019 blue team will be better then in the spring for sure.

Consider this: there is a public school player who is a rising 10th grader (ie Class of 2018)(and played for Madlax 2018 this year) who has "reclassified" himself for Club lacrosse purposes only and will play for MadLax 2019 starting this summer, although he will not be held back in school. This is being justified because he has decided to take a PG year after he graduates from high school in order to better his chances to play Division 1 lacrosse in college and for no other reason. He has a May 2000 birthday so in all honesty his age matches up to many 2019 players.

That is nothing. Madlax's teams are filled with tons of reclassified kids. They have a 2017 kid who played with Madlax 2018 last fall despite the fact the kid was STILL enrolled as a 2017 in a VA public school. My son heard he is still enrolled in that public school as a 2017 yet he's playing again this summer with Madlax 2018.

I can name at least 8 reclassified kids on the Madlax teams and there are probably a ton more.

My son birthday is May 2001 and he plays 2019 club. I must be stupid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son birthday is May 2001 and he plays 2019 club. I must be stupid.

He is where he should and your grammar is impeccable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son birthday is May 2001 and he plays 2019 club. I must be stupid.

He is where he should and your grammar is impeccable.

Nice sentence.

What happen to MadLax 2021? Their battles with the Hawks last year were fun to watch?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happen to MadLax 2021? Their battles with the Hawks last year were fun to watch?

Their awesome attack are all on the 2022 team now
One of their top middies went to the Hawks 2022
One of their top poles left for Bethesda

That happens to Madlax a lot these days. Their best HS players leave for other clubs and now they are seeing the same thing happen to their youth teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That happens to Madlax a lot these days. Their best HS players leave for other clubs and now they are seeing the same thing happen to their youth teams.

I agree they are losing more players at the younger level then the past. It for sure there pricing model. Also I see a trend from the smaller newer programs, they have or give the impression that they are connected to the local high school programs and the kids get scared to leave them. Also all of these programs are run by Dads of kids cut by Madlax in the past and they spend lots of effort to bash them for their faults. Fair and unfair LOL I think it will take 2 or 3 more years but I see Madlax dropping the monthly fee the charge. I think that scares so many great players parents away when they are young. And So many of these other programs do not play where Madlax and VLC play during the summer the parents out of the loop think tournaments in Manassas and Va Beach are the good ones.

Well can someone please explain how Madlax 2019Blue and VLC are both in the 2019B bracket in this Maryland Lacrosse tournament. They are playing with the second Freedom Lax team, not even there top team. I just wish they pushed these teams.

After playing down all fall and spring, VLC is still not sure how good they are. Why test your players when yoy can go undefeated.

Good to know you bring up the same subject again and again. You are really making Madlax look good with your constant negative comments about other clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That happens to Madlax a lot these days. Their best HS players leave for other clubs and now they are seeing the same thing happen to their youth teams.

I agree they are losing more players at the younger level then the past. It for sure there pricing model. Also I see a trend from the smaller newer programs, they have or give the impression that they are connected to the local high school programs and the kids get scared to leave them. Also all of these programs are run by Dads of kids cut by Madlax in the past and they spend lots of effort to bash them for their faults. Fair and unfair LOL I think it will take 2 or 3 more years but I see Madlax dropping the monthly fee the charge. I think that scares so many great players parents away when they are young. And So many of these other programs do not play where Madlax and VLC play during the summer the parents out of the loop think tournaments in Manassas and Va Beach are the good ones.

I guess all of those G Prep kids who came up through Club Blue lost out big in recruiting and college placement. Not. I guess Ryan Conrad coming up through Loonies and all the Annapolis Hawks kids playing D1 failed to get noticed too. Not. Madlax and to a lesser extent VLC have strong teams, but the clubs and families going to other tournaments are not losers or losing out. As I write there is an Adrenaline think in Philly, a big tournament in Richmond and the Denver Shootout all running and a lot of the best players from those teams aren't playing this weekend for their clubs if they are on the U.S. U19 indoor team playing in Philly this weekend. Always assume there are great players on good teams playing in tournaments you aren't at and you'll always be correct. The game is not too big and too widespread and too political for "all the best" to be together at once auditioning in front of all the important coaches. That just is not nearly the case in reality.

[quote=Anonymous]Good to know you bring up the same subject again and again. You are really making Madlax look good with your constant negative comments about other clubs. [/quote
Dont care about madlax, just pointing out facts and wonder what the excuses will be for them to continue to sandbag. Still waiting for the score of championship game.

Uh-oh. Redneck Madlax dad is back. I wonder if he realizes the other Madlax parents on his team are pleading with him to drop it and stop making them all look like lunatics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Good to know you bring up the same subject again and again. You are really making Madlax look good with your constant negative comments about other clubs. [/quote
Dont care about madlax, just pointing out facts and wonder what the excuses will be for them to continue to sandbag. Still waiting for the score of championship game.

The score of the championship game was VLC 10 Bethesda 5. By the way, they have switched to the AA division for the Maryland Lacrosse Tournament as well as Youngunz. It's always nice to do your research before you make yourself look like a moron with the continuous whining - why bring up VLC in a Madlax thread anyway? It's exhausting...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is nothing. Madlax's teams are filled with tons of reclassified kids. They have a 2017 kid who played with Madlax 2018 last fall despite the fact the kid was STILL enrolled as a 2017 in a VA public school. My son heard he is still enrolled in that public school as a 2017 yet he's playing again this summer with Madlax 2018.

I can name at least 8 reclassified kids on the Madlax teams and there are probably a ton more.

There is a kid who turned 16 two months ago playing on a team that just finished 8th grade this month? Half of the calendar aged kids who graduated 8th grade are still 13. My oldest was age eligible to play in Colorado years back at the U13 national after he graduated from 8th grade.

If his younger siblings were injured in a game as a 13 year old or just turned 14 year old by a 16 year old playing on a rising 9th grade summer team, that tournament owner would need one heck of a lawyer before he even made it to his car. This is an absolute disgrace and an abject insult to safety on the fields. Impossible for parents to accept if kids aren't being recruited to such an extreme that this will be a third at bat for a 8th grade kid with the PG verbal move. A little financial advice...the college tuition break lacrosse may provide will be a fraction of all the eventual club fees and private school tuitions invested.

The tournaments are all about money. The directors do not care about the age of the players. Did the check clear? Play the games and here is a plastic trophy. C'ya on the links. Oh, BTW your kid is the next D1 prospect. Cash is always good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Good to know you bring up the same subject again and again. You are really making Madlax look good with your constant negative comments about other clubs. [/quote
Dont care about madlax, just pointing out facts and wonder what the excuses will be for them to continue to sandbag. Still waiting for the score of championship game.

The score of the championship game was VLC 10 Bethesda 5. By the way, they have switched to the AA division for the Maryland Lacrosse Tournament as well as Youngunz. It's always nice to do your research before you make yourself look like a moron with the continuous whining - why bring up VLC in a Madlax thread anyway? It's exhausting...

Well Biff, if you had done your homework you would see that I was responding to another post hence I did not bring it up I was simply answering a question...Kudos to the honorable VLC for finally doing the right thing. Bravo Bravo

I am also glad VLC moved up I know some VLC kids and they deserve to play the best and see what they can do in the higher level. They have some AA kids on that team.

What happened to Madlax? They got killed at the Adrenaline Platinum Cup.

2016 went 1-4

2017 had an easy draw and got the #1 overall seed. Then lost their 1st playoff game against lowest seed

2018 - their best team by far - went 1-4

2019 went 1-3-1

I guess having all those holdbacks isn't helping Madlax, either.

The 2018 Madlax team is quite good. Maybe they just had a bad day. They were up 5-0 over Crabs and lost 7-5. That team has been competitive and both beaten and lost to other top 2018 teams. Frankly the Madlax 2016 and the VLC 2016 teams have never been strong. The Madlax 2017 team on its best days was decent, but not elite. The VLC 2017 was dynamite in 8th grade but was ravaged by attrition...several top players went off to other clubs or have settled into playing for their school at a few events each summer. The only great HS team VLC sustained were the 2015s who are now out of the summer club system. The suggestion that the VLC 2019s are not up to a prior lofty standard is off...VLC HS teams have been rapidly deteriorating for 2-3 years now. Blackwolf and some other clubs including Madlax have been better retaining top players.

VLC 2019 went 6-0 in the Gait Rumble in Richmond this past weekend and won the championship.

There is 2 hold backs on madlax 2019 and they were up by 3 on the top 3 teams there and blew it. This weekend with cleaner play they will win it. the were up on triple H 6-1 at half.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is 2 hold backs on madlax 2019 and they were up by 3 on the top 3 teams there and blew it. This weekend with cleaner play they will win it. the were up on triple H 6-1 at half.....

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. That's what you get for cheating with holdbacks. One of the kids on that 2019 team was a 2018 high school freshman last year but is now playing for Madlax's 2019 team.

Cheaters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2019 went 6-0 in the Gait Rumble in Richmond this past weekend and won the championship.

Where any of these teams they played any good it looks like the Roughriders keep it close?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is 2 hold backs on madlax 2019 and they were up by 3 on the top 3 teams there and blew it. This weekend with cleaner play they will win it. the were up on triple H 6-1 at half.....

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. That's what you get for cheating with holdbacks. One of the kids on that 2019 team was a 2018 high school freshman last year but is now playing for Madlax's 2019 team.

Cheaters.

So what team does your son play for? I would guess they have at least 2 holdbacks.
And yes I think holdbacks are cheating but i am sure all the teams there had at least 2 holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is 2 hold backs on madlax 2019 and they were up by 3 on the top 3 teams there and blew it. This weekend with cleaner play they will win it. the were up on triple H 6-1 at half.....

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. That's what you get for cheating with holdbacks. One of the kids on that 2019 team was a 2018 high school freshman last year but is now playing for Madlax's 2019 team.

Cheaters.

That is a classless move. At what point do the "National" players fly in to supplant the DC/Nova players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is 2 hold backs on madlax 2019 and they were up by 3 on the top 3 teams there and blew it. This weekend with cleaner play they will win it. the were up on triple H 6-1 at half.....

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. That's what you get for cheating with holdbacks. One of the kids on that 2019 team was a 2018 high school freshman last year but is now playing for Madlax's 2019 team.

Cheaters.

That is a classless move. At what point do the "National" players fly in to supplant the DC/Nova players?

Guess they should consult with Crabs who have perfected the art of bringing in other players.

Our 2019 team has no hold backs. We play against teams with hold backs all the time in the tournaments. Pretty sad but a club tournament win means a lot to most of these clubs.

It doesn't surprise me that Madlax has a ton of holdbacks. Besides that ridiculous threatening email, this is the club that charges its families a monthly "academy fee" just for the right to be part of Madlax. Good to see that their cheating ways doesn't pay off on the field.

I've seen that 2018 team. Super overrated and nowhere near as good as the top 2018 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2019 went 6-0 in the Gait Rumble in Richmond this past weekend and won the championship.

W.T.G.

By the way, they have switched to the AA division for the Maryland Lacrosse Tournament as well as Youngunz.

Baby Blue better call Big Daddy and tell him to fix it because YounGunz site still shows them in 2019B

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By the way, they have switched to the AA division for the Maryland Lacrosse Tournament as well as Youngunz.

Baby Blue better call Big Daddy and tell him to fix it because YounGunz site still shows them in 2019B

That it does, Sherlock! It also shows "last updated 4/17/15", so this clearly does not reflect the recent change made just a week ago... *sigh* so painful...

So can the Madlax parents defend all the holdbacks on their teams? Didn't think so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So can the Madlax parents defend all the holdbacks on their teams? Didn't think so.

A visitor from the Crabs board?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So can the Madlax parents defend all the holdbacks on their teams? Didn't think so.

A visitor from the Crabs board?

That sounds like just about all the defense there is - hahahahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So can the Madlax parents defend all the holdbacks on their teams? Didn't think so.

A visitor from the Crabs board?

More likely a LI parent. Why would a Crabs parent post this when they have as many holdbacks as Madlax?

The lack of a response from Madlax is telling.

They have holdbacks for sure but like 3 or less a team. Madlax is still mostly VA kids not MD

If you want to see holdbacks, go see Philly teams, much higher percentage than MIAA. IAC teams might be higher than Philly, will be close, but definitely higher than baltimore area teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have holdbacks for sure but like 3 or less a team. Madlax is still mostly VA kids not MD

What does it matter what state they live in? Holdbacks are holdbacks.

Their 2017 has 4 holdbacks for sure, and probably more. They have a kid who finished 10th grade at a public school (and is still in that school) who is playing for their Rising 10th grade team. They have a kid who finished 9th grade at a public school and is now the FOGO for their Rising 9th grade team.

Cheaters.

No response from Madlax parents?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have holdbacks for sure but like 3 or less a team. Madlax is still mostly VA kids not MD

What does it matter what state they live in? Holdbacks are holdbacks.

Their 2017 has 4 holdbacks for sure, and probably more. They have a kid who finished 10th grade at a public school (and is still in that school) who is playing for their Rising 10th grade team. They have a kid who finished 9th grade at a public school and is now the FOGO for their Rising 9th grade team.

Cheaters.

I agree it is a form of cheating just saying its only 1 or 2 kids. Not 12 or more.

But it's not 1-2. They have 4 or more on one of the HS teams and every team they have has holdbacks.

I don't think the Crabs have 12 holdbacks on a team. From what I hear, both Madlax and Crabs are about the same when it comes to kids who repeat a grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But it's not 1-2. They have 4 or more on one of the HS teams and every team they have has holdbacks.

I don't think the Crabs have 12 holdbacks on a team. From what I hear, both Madlax and Crabs are about the same when it comes to kids who repeat a grade.

And this makes playing younger kids to gain an advantage okay? The issue being discussed is twofold:

1)the consistent strategy of using many holdbacks at every level by the Crabs and 2) how they broke rules at Beach Lax by jumping the gun and self designating kids as 2020 when they have not attended a day of school as 2020 but had graduated from 8th grade and were permitted to play current 7th graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But it's not 1-2. They have 4 or more on one of the HS teams and every team they have has holdbacks.

I don't think the Crabs have 12 holdbacks on a team. From what I hear, both Madlax and Crabs are about the same when it comes to kids who repeat a grade.

Its not cheating when you have holdbacks on a high school age team. Only cheating when its 8th grade and below. High school age teams have to be what grade the kid is in. No matter how many times he was held back.

It's cheating when Madlax 2019 has a kid playing for them who just finished his freshman year in HS and is being heldback to repeat 9th. Talk to the Madlax 2019 parents - they'll admit it.

2019 to 2016 are all recruiting age teams starting this summer. The kid has to play on the team he plans to graduate high school with. The recruiters read the teams name and year and recruit those kids with a plan based on the years tell they will be able to attend their college. Does it suck for the kid who was bumped to blue or cut because of it yes you are correct. I agree any year below the high school teams a reclass kid playing down is cheating but from 2019 to 2016 not a chance its cheating its just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's cheating when Madlax 2019 has a kid playing for them who just finished his freshman year in HS and is being heldback to repeat 9th. Talk to the Madlax 2019 parents - they'll admit it.

Didn't help them yesterday either - they lost to VLC 2019 in the tourney yesterday at McDonogh. Where'd that MadLax dad go who said VLC 2019 couldn't touch MadLax Orange? Guess you were wrong - again...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's cheating when Madlax 2019 has a kid playing for them who just finished his freshman year in HS and is being heldback to repeat 9th. Talk to the Madlax 2019 parents - they'll admit it.

Didn't help them yesterday either - they lost to VLC 2019 in the tourney yesterday at McDonogh. Where'd that MadLax dad go who said VLC 2019 couldn't touch MadLax Orange? Guess you were wrong - again...

This is the best post ever that was Madlax Blue that you only beat by one goal. Not the orange team. The orange team is at the Big4 tournament with all the big good teams.

Once again people please look into all the teams in the area and learn about the levels of play and what really are the best tournaments. I feel so bad for the kids I know are to good to be on the team they are playing for. Because their parents do not take the time to research and find the best team.

It is really weird how Madlax parents constantly bring up other clubs on this thread. I guess anything to deflect from the number of holdbacks on their teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's cheating when Madlax 2019 has a kid playing for them who just finished his freshman year in HS and is being heldback to repeat 9th. Talk to the Madlax 2019 parents - they'll admit it.

Didn't help them yesterday either - they lost to VLC 2019 in the tourney yesterday at McDonogh. Where'd that MadLax dad go who said VLC 2019 couldn't touch MadLax Orange? Guess you were wrong - again...

This is the best post ever that was Madlax Blue that you only beat by one goal. Not the orange team. The orange team is at the Big4 tournament with all the big good teams.

Lol - that's funny because they called themselves orange, and the 2021 Orange team was there too, and got destroyed in every game. It also was a different roster than the 2019 mad lax blue team at the Richmond Rumble a week ago - that's weird, huh? Guess it gets confusing when you constantly move kids all over from team to team...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's cheating when Madlax 2019 has a kid playing for them who just finished his freshman year in HS and is being heldback to repeat 9th. Talk to the Madlax 2019 parents - they'll admit it.

Didn't help them yesterday either - they lost to VLC 2019 in the tourney yesterday at McDonogh. Where'd that MadLax dad go who said VLC 2019 couldn't touch MadLax Orange? Guess you were wrong - again...

This is the best post ever that was Madlax Blue that you only beat by one goal. Not the orange team. The orange team is at the Big4 tournament with all the big good teams.

Lol - that's funny because they called themselves orange, and the 2021 Orange team was there too, and got destroyed in every game. It also was a different roster than the 2019 mad lax blue team at the Richmond Rumble a week ago - that's weird, huh? Guess it gets confusing when you constantly move kids all over from team to team...

Madlax 2019 Blue was in DC at the Team Camp. And yes the summer team has some new players from the spring team. They have tryouts in the spring and for summer. Please Please Please Please just go to Madlax website and you can see the Rosters and where they will be. I understand hating Madlax they have given you lots of reasons to hate them. But please do a little research it will take 5 mins just go to MADLAX.COM and click the Capital tab and go from there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's cheating when Madlax 2019 has a kid playing for them who just finished his freshman year in HS and is being heldback to repeat 9th. Talk to the Madlax 2019 parents - they'll admit it.

Didn't help them yesterday either - they lost to VLC 2019 in the tourney yesterday at McDonogh. Where'd that MadLax dad go who said VLC 2019 couldn't touch MadLax Orange? Guess you were wrong - again...

This is the best post ever that was Madlax Blue that you only beat by one goal. Not the orange team. The orange team is at the Big4 tournament with all the big good teams.

Lol - that's funny because they called themselves orange, and the 2021 Orange team was there too, and got destroyed in every game. It also was a different roster than the 2019 mad lax blue team at the Richmond Rumble a week ago - that's weird, huh? Guess it gets confusing when you constantly move kids all over from team to team...

Madlax 2019 Blue was in DC at the Team Camp. And yes the summer team has some new players from the spring team. They have tryouts in the spring and for summer. Please Please Please Please just go to Madlax website and you can see the Rosters and where they will be. I understand hating Madlax they have given you lots of reasons to hate them. But please do a little research it will take 5 mins just go to MADLAX.COM and click the Capital tab and go from there.

Sorry I wanted to say they where in Team camp the weekend of the Richmond Tournament you are talking about. All the team and there tournament schedule are very easy to find on the website. Madlax put everything out there for all to see. Rosters schedules and everything else you would like to know.

i'm confused with all of the colors and geographics, is VLC still sandbagging or did they finally step up and play AA teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i'm confused with all of the colors and geographics, is VLC still sandbagging or did they finally step up and play AA teams

No I think they are playing where they should. We will see what happens when they play in Young guns. That should be a true AA or AAA tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i'm confused with all of the colors and geographics, is VLC still sandbagging or did they finally step up and play AA teams

No I think they are playing where they should. We will see what happens when they play in Young guns. That should be a true AA or AAA tournament.

Well I just checked they are playing in the 2019B bracket. Madlax Orange is playing in the top 2019A Bracket

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i'm confused with all of the colors and geographics, is VLC still sandbagging or did they finally step up and play AA teams

No I think they are playing where they should. We will see what happens when they play in Young guns. That should be a true AA or AAA tournament.

Just change the name to PLC, Plaque Lacrosse Chasers, why challenge kids when we can keep playing our AA team against local A teams and just keep collecting hardware. I wonder if decision is coming from baby blue or king crab. keep hearing and keep seeing two different stories about youngunz, will be interesting to see

Why do the same 1-2 dads keeping bringing up that club on their Madlax thread? The obsession is weird.

How will the Madlax 2020 team do in this weekend's tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will the Madlax 2020 team do in this weekend's tournament?

The 2020 is not very good. One of the weaker Madlax teams.

I see a MadLax 2021 for the Poolesville Tourney. I thought a previous post said they disbanded?

Just change the name to PLC, Plaque Lacrosse Chasers, why challenge kids when we can keep playing our AA team against local A teams and just keep collecting hardware. I wonder if decision is coming from baby blue or king crab. keep hearing and keep seeing two different stories about youngunz, will be interesting to see [/quote]

To keep mentioning is to flatter, which does not seem to be the intent here. The deli sandwich menu at Jersey Mike's is more interesting than any VLC team to me, and if your kid plays for Madlax, should be ditto. Sounds like you'll see them on the field at Young Gunz and that will help settle out where everyone's team caliber is at.

not really a madlax question, but figure therewill be some players involved as well as VLC, Blackwolf, etc. Does anyone have rosetr info for Wavelax vs. Freestate Games this coming Thursday

People mention VLC because they are local and will always be linked to Madlax the same with Blackwolf. Just like on the Crabs thread they talk about the breakers, hawks, and three or four others. Maybe someone should start a VLC thread and then it would be ok to talk about VLC. And this is how the Forum thing is supposed to work. Talking about one topic but moving off it from time to time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

not really a madlax question, but figure therewill be some players involved as well as VLC, Blackwolf, etc. Does anyone have rosetr info for Wavelax vs. Freestate Games this coming Thursday

never mind roster are up now on Wavelax, lookign froward to three good games

Madlax 2020 played together for the first time as a team this past weekend at NSCLA. Lost in OT to Thunder (GA) first game, beat C2C (not sure which one), beat Edge (Canada), beat Denver Elite, lost to Tomahawks (eventual champs) in round of 6. They should gel more with practices and more games. Next up is Madlax Capital Classic.

Madlax 2021 (rising 7th) has at least one kid who is a 2020 kid (rising 8th). How do these cheaters get away with it?

Ok lets all get our thoughts out about this new Madlax VA and Madlax MD teams. It sounds like the VA teams should be good from the start but what does everyone think about the Maryland team on day one? This new system should only help the Orange teams now just the Capital team. I guess we will never have to worry about asking what color team someone is talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok lets all get our thoughts out about this new Madlax VA and Madlax MD teams. It sounds like the VA teams should be good from the start but what does everyone think about the Maryland team on day one? This new system should only help the Orange teams now just the Capital team. I guess we will never have to worry about asking what color team someone is talking about.

Just another way for Madlax to make more money. It screws the families who play for the B team because now there is a B team in MD and a B team in VA instead of just one B team. More families will have $100 automatically charged to their credit cards every month.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok lets all get our thoughts out about this new Madlax VA and Madlax MD teams. It sounds like the VA teams should be good from the start but what does everyone think about the Maryland team on day one? This new system should only help the Orange teams now just the Capital team. I guess we will never have to worry about asking what color team someone is talking about.

Just another way for Madlax to make more money. It screws the families who play for the B team because now there is a B team in MD and a B team in VA instead of just one B team. More families will have $100 automatically charged to their credit cards every month.

I for sure agree it will be for more money. But the Madlax parents must make them have smaller rosters. If they are still keeping 24 players on each of the 3 teams I will not be happy.

Didn't he try this before, why would it work now with more clubs on the scene if it didn't work the first time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't he try this before, why would it work now with more clubs on the scene if it didn't work the first time.

He has a new guy and new store in MD. If he just takes 2 players from each of the clubs now and puts them with the MD kids already on rosters,should be fine. Also must carry less kids per team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't he try this before, why would it work now with more clubs on the scene if it didn't work the first time.

He has a new guy and new store in MD. If he just takes 2 players from each of the clubs now and puts them with the MD kids already on rosters,should be fine. Also must carry less kids per team.

He also used to have a store in Alexandria. It's closed. He also used to have a store in Ashburn. It's closed.

There are a lot of kids playing lacrosse, so I'm sure he'll find enough kids to fill out two B teams. But they will be terrible. It's hard for any club to have a decent B team, let alone two.

It's all about money. Remember this is the guy who charges his players a monthly fee (on top of the monthly fee everyone at Madlax already pays) just to advocate for his players to college coaches, something every other club does as a courtesy.

You can't reduce the rosters and survive in the summer. 24 is a lot of boys for a spring team to get playing time, although it can be done if the coach is committed to it. (2018 Hawks proved that last year) If you carry less than 23-24 kids and have an injury or a vacation, it can make for a grueling summer tournament

The new MADLAX structure addresses two problems - additional players from MD (mostly Bethesda) will not have to drive all the way to VA for practices and the talent drain. I am not sure it will work for all of the age groups the first year but it will eventually fill up the wallet, I mean rosters.

I would be concerned about having a squad practicing in two locations but playing as one team on the weekends if I understand the process. How do you get good chemistry between the midfield and attack - during games?

The options are endless - NPYLL vs HoCo for spring if the MD teams fill up; two levels of All Star teams - Capital and National; and the pool is 48 instead of 24 for any given tournament (using the numbers given previously).

What's interesting is that the 'studs' are generally played and rise to the top. These kids get their playing time against better competition but what happens to the other players? Will there be 12 players left at home when the 'real' tournaments begin? What kid will understand that they are a Capital All Star but not a National All Star at 2022?

Will it help or hurt the brand?

It is all about putting money in that guy's pockets.

They can always play in the Great Falls Select League with Nova West and Cavs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is all about putting money in that guy's pockets.

Well you are correct its about making money. So having good teams and good players makes him more money. So if you want to play on a good team and with good players it should be a fit.

I think people have the wrong impression of Mr. Maddux and I must admit I did also, until today that is. Everyone thinks he is just a money grabbing [lacrosse] and that is just not true. I just received a email inviting me to add my email address to his data base for get this FREE, absolutely gloriously 100 per cent FREE......what a jackass

Don't forget how he charges his family over $300 a month just to reach out to colleges on behalf of those families. What a concept - charge hundreds of dollars a month for something other clubs do for fre.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget how he charges his family over $300 a month just to reach out to colleges on behalf of those families. What a concept - charge hundreds of dollars a month for something other clubs do for fre.

I think you are reading that wrong, that package you are talking about is for a kid that does not play for Madlax and wants someone to do recruiting services for them. They do charge a monthly fee that other clubs do not charge but it goes from 50$ a month then 75$ then 100$. And the assumption is this money goes to pay the coaches. I can confirm they all get paid but how much I do not know. I have compared what I pay to what VLC,Next level and some of the others charge and it works out to like 1500$ more for a complete year of lacrosse. And the funny part is I have never met a Lacrosse parent that does not have the money. The money for all the clubs is nuts. So one team is 2000$ a year and the other is 3500$ a year. And any of the clubs that go with the 750$ a year model are being coached by Dads and Rec coaches.

An all the kids will be desk jockeys just like us. LOL. Save you money for tutors and 529 plans.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

An all the kids will be desk jockeys just like us. LOL. Save you money for tutors and 529 plans.

I agree with this. But I am paying for him to be pushed and for him to see there is always someone better you have to keep working and making yourself better. Which is the skill you need the most to be the best DESK JOCKEY you can be.

HS Breakers cost was $2,500 this year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HS Breakers cost was $2,500 this year!

Ok so that gets you what? 4 summer tournaments. does that pay for any fall league games or winter league games? I think the summer payment for most teams on Madlax was 1400 to 1500. Plus the monthly 100$ or 75$ fee.

Breakers - Four summer tournaments, two fall tournaments, practices, membership to LacrosseRecruits.com, and practice and game uniforms (less helmet).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HS Breakers cost was $2,500 this year!

Ok so that gets you what? 4 summer tournaments. does that pay for any fall league games or winter league games? I think the summer payment for most teams on Madlax was 1400 to 1500. Plus the monthly 100$ or 75$ fee.

I would love for a thread to start up with a break down for each club, each season so we all could win from this information.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget how he charges his family over $300 a month just to reach out to colleges on behalf of those families. What a concept - charge hundreds of dollars a month for something other clubs do for fre.

I think you are reading that wrong, that package you are talking about is for a kid that does not play for Madlax and wants someone to do recruiting services for them. They do charge a monthly fee that other clubs do not charge but it goes from 50$ a month then 75$ then 100$. And the assumption is this money goes to pay the coaches. I can confirm they all get paid but how much I do not know. I have compared what I pay to what VLC,Next level and some of the others charge and it works out to like 1500$ more for a complete year of lacrosse. And the funny part is I have never met a Lacrosse parent that does not have the money. The money for all the clubs is nuts. So one team is 2000$ a year and the other is 3500$ a year. And any of the clubs that go with the 750$ a year model are being coached by Dads and Rec coaches.

1. I know a former Madlax family. While they were with Madlax, they tried to get the owner to make calls for them by paying the fee. Owner turned them down, saying that their kid wasn't D1 material. Then the kid got better and owner changed his mind, and they paid him a monthly fee for a time on top of the other Madlax fees. Decides to leave for a different club and now the kid will be playing for a high D1 school this fall. Feels fortunate that they left Madlax.

2. The fee isn't to pay the coaches - the fee goes straight to the bottom line (i.e. the owner's pockets).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget how he charges his family over $300 a month just to reach out to colleges on behalf of those families. What a concept - charge hundreds of dollars a month for something other clubs do for fre.

I think you are reading that wrong, that package you are talking about is for a kid that does not play for Madlax and wants someone to do recruiting services for them. They do charge a monthly fee that other clubs do not charge but it goes from 50$ a month then 75$ then 100$. And the assumption is this money goes to pay the coaches. I can confirm they all get paid but how much I do not know. I have compared what I pay to what VLC,Next level and some of the others charge and it works out to like 1500$ more for a complete year of lacrosse. And the funny part is I have never met a Lacrosse parent that does not have the money. The money for all the clubs is nuts. So one team is 2000$ a year and the other is 3500$ a year. And any of the clubs that go with the 750$ a year model are being coached by Dads and Rec coaches.

1. I know a former Madlax family. While they were with Madlax, they tried to get the owner to make calls for them by paying the fee. Owner turned them down, saying that their kid wasn't D1 material. Then the kid got better and owner changed his mind, and they paid him a monthly fee for a time on top of the other Madlax fees. Decides to leave for a different club and now the kid will be playing for a high D1 school this fall. Feels fortunate that they left Madlax.

2. The fee isn't to pay the coaches - the fee goes straight to the bottom line (i.e. the owner's pockets).

So he was wrong about a kid and his skill, he thought he was not D1 so he did not take the parents money based on his thoughts. But he is all about the money and the bottom line. So this would mean he would of took the money and made calls even thought he felt the kid was not D1.
And also until the other clubs lay out what it cost and what you get for that money like Madlax does on a open website its all hearsay. I am sure its the most or close to the most but by how much. And once again the kid and his skill gets him into D1. The club team gives him a place to show his skill. These cold calls people want there coach to make is just nuts.

Having a kid who finished recruiting process and one who may be entering it in a year, I can tell you that comment is off. There are hundreds of kids as good or better than D1 committed kids in high school right now who: 1. didn't go to showcase events (costs a lot to attend them, some people can't afford it), 2. didn't go to a prep school for lacrosse (the focus here is 100% what Madlax or others can do for you, but often a much more powerful advocate is a prep coach, even if your son hasn't even played a game for him yet!), 3. didn't pay up directly or indirectly for the club coach to audition their kid versus the kid standing next to him whose family sent him to every conceivable Maxlax, Crabs, etc. clinic, camp or other event.

Loyalty is a two way street, and the way club guys see it loyalty to them is attending and paying up for upteen events along the way. Parents see loyalty as smile and dial for my son, and making sure that is paid for is the only way it seems to happen in a lot of instances. How does a prep school push a 9th grader before tryouts? Last summer we brought him up for a tournament with our varsity, and golly he is a swell kid and an advanced player for his age. And he is only going to get a lot better in his four years at [fill in blank DC area elite lacrosse team prep school]. Yup, my son goes to a private school for lacrosse and for other desired reasons as we think it is a good school and academic fit for him. But I won't be a hypocrite: his chances of getting a college recruited spot were 0.00% if he rode the club team wave alone since I didn't roll like that to go to all the clinics and other nonsense they kept selling.

If you think your son playing better on the field is nearly enough, you are very mistaken and will learn different as you advance through the process. Our club -- not Madlax -- did NOTHING to help our son get a college spot, but that does not stop the club from taking all the credit for it or listing it on the club website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Having a kid who finished recruiting process and one who may be entering it in a year, I can tell you that comment is off. There are hundreds of kids as good or better than D1 committed kids in high school right now who: 1. didn't go to showcase events (costs a lot to attend them, some people can't afford it), 2. didn't go to a prep school for lacrosse (the focus here is 100% what Madlax or others can do for you, but often a much more powerful advocate is a prep coach, even if your son hasn't even played a game for him yet!), 3. didn't pay up directly or indirectly for the club coach to audition their kid versus the kid standing next to him whose family sent him to every conceivable Maxlax, Crabs, etc. clinic, camp or other event.

Loyalty is a two way street, and the way club guys see it loyalty to them is attending and paying up for upteen events along the way. Parents see loyalty as smile and dial for my son, and making sure that is paid for is the only way it seems to happen in a lot of instances. How does a prep school push a 9th grader before tryouts? Last summer we brought him up for a tournament with our varsity, and golly he is a swell kid and an advanced player for his age. And he is only going to get a lot better in his four years at [fill in blank DC area elite lacrosse team prep school]. Yup, my son goes to a private school for lacrosse and for other desired reasons as we think it is a good school and academic fit for him. But I won't be a hypocrite: his chances of getting a college recruited spot were 0.00% if he rode the club team wave alone since I didn't roll like that to go to all the clinics and other nonsense they kept selling.

If you think your son playing better on the field is nearly enough, you are very mistaken and will learn different as you advance through the process. Our club -- not Madlax -- did NOTHING to help our son get a college spot, but that does not stop the club from taking all the credit for it or listing it on the club website.

This is well written and seems to be way better informed then me. So I have some questions for you. Can you rank in order of importance for a lacrosse D1 spot, Club team, Showcase events, Prep school/Private school, website, highlight video, Call from club coach, call from Private school coach, call/email from you/kid. I think everyone would like some help with this.

Thanks. Take with some salt because this is just my experience alone:
1. prep coaches - I think it is sad but true that lacrosse is still very caught in the prep school spiral. In exact words my son's prep coach said the club coach has your kid for 3-5 weeks in summer and some weekends in fall. Prep coaches have the kid every day for 90+ days. Their reference is credible, even when it is (IMHO) pathetic when the kid hasn't even had a spring 9th grade season yet. They can also give the recruiter comfort that the kid will develop in their program.
2. Showcases should not be important for prep parents given #1, but I think are indispensable for public kids. I would say buyer beware because there is a lot of crap. The best ones are Philly Showcase, Adrenaline Black Card and Marverik Showtime. Unfortunately Showtime is a harder one to access from here because it is run by Long Island guys and politically dominated by locals. I don't really have anything + or - to say about the 3d Blue Chip auditions for the Jake Reed thing. We didn't pony up for that and don't really know what we were missing.
3. Prospect days are underrated - if your son has a list short enough of 2-4 schools these are good ways to get in front of coaches at the schools.
4. Club lacrosse ranks last because it belongs there. My son went through the process and to be candid I heard more than one college coach make a snarky comment about pushy club coaches and owners. In truth all clubs would try to sell them anything and that costs credibility over time. The club coach is also the one most likely to mislead you. In 7th grade everybody is a Hopkins early recruit candidate. In 9th grade they like to mention how competitive those spots are, then they like to start with the speech about how you can help them sell your son by...buying more crap like clinics and videos.

I would also say don't spend a lot on recruiting videos. I truly believe that a coach will want and need to see your son at a showcase, a prospect day at his field or at a club tournament combo. Every kid can put together a video where they score 10 goals or stop 10 shots. Unless it is a tape from a high level prep game, showcase game or club game where you know your son is on a good Madlax team vs a good Crabs team or something like that, don't waste a lot of money on it. Also smart to buy a $200-$300 video camera once and do a homemade video. I've hear led a million times how important video is, but I just don't believe the coaches really care about it too much. They need to see your son play and play well through one medium listed above.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks. Take with some salt because this is just my experience alone:
1. prep coaches - I think it is sad but true that lacrosse is still very caught in the prep school spiral. In exact words my son's prep coach said the club coach has your kid for 3-5 weeks in summer and some weekends in fall. Prep coaches have the kid every day for 90+ days. Their reference is credible, even when it is (IMHO) pathetic when the kid hasn't even had a spring 9th grade season yet. They can also give the recruiter comfort that the kid will develop in their program.
2. Showcases should not be important for prep parents given #1, but I think are indispensable for public kids. I would say buyer beware because there is a lot of crap. The best ones are Philly Showcase, Adrenaline Black Card and Marverik Showtime. Unfortunately Showtime is a harder one to access from here because it is run by Long Island guys and politically dominated by locals. I don't really have anything + or - to say about the 3d Blue Chip auditions for the Jake Reed thing. We didn't pony up for that and don't really know what we were missing.
3. Prospect days are underrated - if your son has a list short enough of 2-4 schools these are good ways to get in front of coaches at the schools.
4. Club lacrosse ranks last because it belongs there. My son went through the process and to be candid I heard more than one college coach make a snarky comment about pushy club coaches and owners. In truth all clubs would try to sell them anything and that costs credibility over time. The club coach is also the one most likely to mislead you. In 7th grade everybody is a Hopkins early recruit candidate. In 9th grade they like to mention how competitive those spots are, then they like to start with the speech about how you can help them sell your son by...buying more crap like clinics and videos.

I would also say don't spend a lot on recruiting videos. I truly believe that a coach will want and need to see your son at a showcase, a prospect day at his field or at a club tournament combo. Every kid can put together a video where they score 10 goals or stop 10 shots. Unless it is a tape from a high level prep game, showcase game or club game where you know your son is on a good Madlax team vs a good Crabs team or something like that, don't waste a lot of money on it. Also smart to buy a $200-$300 video camera once and do a homemade video. I've hear led a million times how important video is, but I just don't believe the coaches really care about it too much. They need to see your son play and play well through one medium listed above.

Dont have a son going thru that ,,,but that is a nice explanation for the process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget how he charges his family over $300 a month just to reach out to colleges on behalf of those families. What a concept - charge hundreds of dollars a month for something other clubs do for fre.

I think you are reading that wrong, that package you are talking about is for a kid that does not play for Madlax and wants someone to do recruiting services for them. They do charge a monthly fee that other clubs do not charge but it goes from 50$ a month then 75$ then 100$. And the assumption is this money goes to pay the coaches. I can confirm they all get paid but how much I do not know. I have compared what I pay to what VLC,Next level and some of the others charge and it works out to like 1500$ more for a complete year of lacrosse. And the funny part is I have never met a Lacrosse parent that does not have the money. The money for all the clubs is nuts. So one team is 2000$ a year and the other is 3500$ a year. And any of the clubs that go with the 750$ a year model are being coached by Dads and Rec coaches.

1. I know a former Madlax family. While they were with Madlax, they tried to get the owner to make calls for them by paying the fee. Owner turned them down, saying that their kid wasn't D1 material. Then the kid got better and owner changed his mind, and they paid him a monthly fee for a time on top of the other Madlax fees. Decides to leave for a different club and now the kid will be playing for a high D1 school this fall. Feels fortunate that they left Madlax.

2. The fee isn't to pay the coaches - the fee goes straight to the bottom line (i.e. the owner's pockets).

So he was wrong about a kid and his skill, he thought he was not D1 so he did not take the parents money based on his thoughts. But he is all about the money and the bottom line. So this would mean he would of took the money and made calls even thought he felt the kid was not D1.
And also until the other clubs lay out what it cost and what you get for that money like Madlax does on a open website its all hearsay. I am sure its the most or close to the most but by how much. And once again the kid and his skill gets him into D1. The club team gives him a place to show his skill. These cold calls people want there coach to make is just nuts.

The cost of Madlax is far above what people pay for Blackwolf, VLC, etc. Not even close.

The cost of what all of you are paying is too much. $1500-$2000 for a fall season involving a few practices and 2-3 one day tournaments is not a good value. Same for 4 weeks of summer lacrosse is not a great value either. If you are a VLC or a Blackwolf parent chances are you are buying more lacrosse than just your club fees, and those events are also expensive for what they are. I can rent a turf field for $95 an hour and have done so a few times for kids' soccer parties. Over a club team practicing 2x 25 roster kids, those field rentals they keep talking about being expensive works out to less than $4 per kid per 2 hour training session.

My son got a scholarship to a top lacrosse program and it is $12,000 for the first year. That still leaves over $40,000 a year to pay. Good that it is a great school, but if any of you are doing this for a return on investment you'll be pretty disappointed later. I find it silly.

I don't know of a single family taking on the expense of club lacrosse for ROI--not measured monetarily, anyway.

2019 national team in the finals of young guns. Beat crabs by one

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 national team in the finals of young guns. Beat crabs by one

Madlax 2019 over Edge 9-8 in Championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 national team in the finals of young guns. Beat crabs by one

Madlax 2019 over Edge 9-8 in Championship.

Make sure you always say National Madlax team. I do not want to hear how we cheated and lied. This team is mostly the local Orange team with 6 or so players from the partner programs. Anyone can check the real numbers on Madlaxs open to the public site if you want to check.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 national team in the finals of young guns. Beat crabs by one

Madlax 2019 over Edge 9-8 in Championship.

Make sure you always say National Madlax team. I do not want to hear how we cheated and lied. This team is mostly the local Orange team with 6 or so players from the partner programs. Anyone can check the real numbers on Madlaxs open to the public site if you want to check.

So many teams - so hard to keep track...HAHAHA

Congrats to 2019 mad lax....they are the team to beat in that year group.

Serious question: what is going to happen now in northern va club lax?

Madlax could barely support one AA team per year group this year, but they seem to be expanding to have a MD AA team and a VA AA team. Will this work? What will this do to the other nova clubs like freedom and VLC? 2020's and 2021's seem pretty weak to me in northern va. Does the market expand quite a bit around the 7th and 8th grade years? No one seems to offer very good value in Va as far as youth clubs...mad lax is very pricey, VLC not committed to the youth at all, Cavs play in really crappy tourneys. Other clubs seem a little fleeting. Why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to 2019 mad lax....they are the team to beat in that year group.

Serious question: what is going to happen now in northern va club lax?

Madlax could barely support one AA team per year group this year, but they seem to be expanding to have a MD AA team and a VA AA team. Will this work? What will this do to the other nova clubs like freedom and VLC? 2020's and 2021's seem pretty weak to me in northern va. Does the market expand quite a bit around the 7th and 8th grade years? No one seems to offer very good value in Va as far as youth clubs...mad lax is very pricey, VLC not committed to the youth at all, Cavs play in really crappy tourneys. Other clubs seem a little fleeting. Why?

I agree with 90 to 95 % of this post. I am hoping as a Madlax dad that with the new VA club the prices come down some. And at the least the practices and off season leagues are going to be more local. In VA it should not be that hard for them to maintain what they have if you look at each roster it only has 3 to 5 MD kids on it at the most. A down side of being around for so long is that Madlax has cut more kids over the years then all these clubs combined. So when you cut a kid you lose his 2 younger brothers because dad is mad. All these smaller clubs where formed by dads of kids that where cut from Madlax.

What is the total cost per year for madlax? Like fall thru summer with whatever winter option they have?

How do the age requirements work for tournaments such as yesterday's in Baltimore? Age or class year? I saw a kid playing yesterday at a 2019 game and I swear I saw him at a JV game this past spring. Thanks for any info, just trying to figure if there are different rules for tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the total cost per year for madlax? Like fall thru summer with whatever winter option they have?

Well first you have the 50$,75$ or 100$ a monthly charge. So that adds up to 900$ for the 75$ age. Middle school age teams. Summer was 1500$ for 90% of the teams. Spring was 750$ I think someone correct that if I am wrong. And in the fall for the sunday league games I think its $250 But that will change because of the new State model. Then you have the 3 fall tournaments which is $750. Now for winter there is the North stars box travel team which is 2500K or so but then they have the Madlax box league which is around $250. So lets try to add this all up. I am coming up with a number around 4400k for a complete 12 months of Madlax lacrosse. This is you doing everything minus the North Stars box travel team. Now you have to add in the travel and hotels. So if you really want to come up with a number I would say $5000 if you round down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do the age requirements work for tournaments such as yesterday's in Baltimore? Age or class year? I saw a kid playing yesterday at a 2019 game and I swear I saw him at a JV game this past spring. Thanks for any info, just trying to figure if there are different rules for tournaments.

This is funny I know you know who you are talking about. But I will play your game. This kid was at a Public school as a 9th grader. He is going to be going to a Private high school this Fall as a 9th grader again. So by grad year rules he is a 2019.
He has played with the 2018 this whole summer but he is on the 2019 Madalx National team. And everyone may start with the commits now!

And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.

Madlax has more holdbacks on their rosters than the Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do the age requirements work for tournaments such as yesterday's in Baltimore? Age or class year? I saw a kid playing yesterday at a 2019 game and I swear I saw him at a JV game this past spring. Thanks for any info, just trying to figure if there are different rules for tournaments.

This is funny I know you know who you are talking about. But I will play your game. This kid was at a Public school as a 9th grader. He is going to be going to a Private high school this Fall as a 9th grader again. So by grad year rules he is a 2019.
He has played with the 2018 this whole summer but he is on the 2019 Madalx National team. And everyone may start with the commits now!

Is there also a player that is a rising 10th grader but he plays with the 2019 team because he is planning to do a PG year?

I heard Billy Madison is going to play with MadLax 2020 in the fall...

Yes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.

If true, that is clearly a violation of the rules and Madlax should have their tournament wins vacated.

Madlax also has a 2020 kid (going into 8th) who is playing on their 2021 AA team. That is a clear violation of rules, yet they are breaking them by having a rising 8th grader play on a rising 7th grade team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.

If true, that is clearly a violation of the rules and Madlax should have their tournament wins vacated.

Are you insane? Wins vacated? Make a 30 on 3o about it. Call it "the lost T shirt"

This happens all over country. Tournaments, parents and most importantly college coaches, don't care. 17 year old college freshman or 20 year old college freshman! Doesn't matter to them!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.

That stinks for the 2019 teams that played by the rules. Does the tournament director not check these things? I thought 2019 meant only class of 2019 (or younger) could be on the team(s).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.

If true, that is clearly a violation of the rules and Madlax should have their tournament wins vacated.

Are you insane? Wins vacated? Make a 30 on 3o about it. Call it "the lost T shirt"

This happens all over country. Tournaments, parents and most importantly college coaches, don't care. 17 year old college freshman or 20 year old college freshman! Doesn't matter to them!

As a parent of a 2019 player in the tournament, I definitely care that another program had a 2018 player playing for them. That is blatantly cheating. You are condoning having a 2018 player on a 2019 team during a tournament?

Someone needs to tell the Crabs about this cheating. No wonder Madlax won it all. Their 2019 team isn't that great. Having an older kid explains how they were able to win it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.

If true, that is clearly a violation of the rules and Madlax should have their tournament wins vacated.

Are you insane? Wins vacated? Make a 30 on 3o about it. Call it "the lost T shirt"

This happens all over country. Tournaments, parents and most importantly college coaches, don't care. 17 year old college freshman or 20 year old college freshman! Doesn't matter to them!

As a parent of a 2019 player in the tournament, I definitely care that another program had a 2018 player playing for them. That is blatantly cheating. You are condoning having a 2018 player on a 2019 team during a tournament?

No. I think it is wrong and absolutely cheating. Unfortunately it is what goes on. Clubs are encouraging it. Flat out telling you to do it. Would never let my son do it, but if you look to "vacate" every win of every team you play who has a reclass, holdback or future PG kid, you will spend years being frustrated and wasting time and energy on something that will not change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone needs to tell the Crabs about this cheating. No wonder Madlax won it all. Their 2019 team isn't that great. Having an older kid explains how they were able to win it.

That is funny!

I figured crabnation would come knocking quickly to divert attention from their own debacle of a program. These programs that cheat and twist and bend rules should be ashamed, but their not. They should be policed, but they won't be. I am thankful that I came to the game during a time of great on field development and it was still about playing hard and grabbing a beer or a soda afterwards, I'm thankful my boys came to the game during a great time of expansion and got to benefit from playing kids outside of their region before they got to college. I'm even more thankful that I only have one left in high school and I can leave this rat race soon and just watch them play college into club ball and maybe one of them in the MLL if it happens. What saddens me and make me sick to my stomach is the thought of what will become of this great game for my grandchildren. I think people should be ashamed of what they have done to this game in the name of proving who is better than who, what state is better than the other, destroying this game for just outright greed is a sin.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.

If true, that is clearly a violation of the rules and Madlax should have their tournament wins vacated.

Are you insane? Wins vacated? Make a 30 on 3o about it. Call it "the lost T shirt"

This happens all over country. Tournaments, parents and most importantly college coaches, don't care. 17 year old college freshman or 20 year old college freshman! Doesn't matter to them!

As a parent of a 2019 player in the tournament, I definitely care that another program had a 2018 player playing for them. That is blatantly cheating. You are condoning having a 2018 player on a 2019 team during a tournament?

No. I think it is wrong and absolutely cheating. Unfortunately it is what goes on. Clubs are encouraging it. Flat out telling you to do it. Would never let my son do it, but if you look to "vacate" every win of every team you play who has a reclass, holdback or future PG kid, you will spend years being frustrated and wasting time and energy on something that will not change.

Having a kid who reclassed is one thing. Have a kid who is still in a grade above a team of kids is another. That is ridiculous.

I think the main kid getting hurt by this is the kid on age and small for his age. Who has not hit his growth spurt yet. This is the kid who is being cut or benched for a older kid stealing his spot. That is the real issue. The main thing is for your kids to become better players. And my small on age son is getting benched and not getting better. He should be on the field but if you count up the 30 reclass kids at 2019 from the 10 top clubs thats a lot of starting spots.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.

If true, that is clearly a violation of the rules and Madlax should have their tournament wins vacated.

Are you insane? Wins vacated? Make a 30 on 3o about it. Call it "the lost T shirt"

This happens all over country. Tournaments, parents and most importantly college coaches, don't care. 17 year old college freshman or 20 year old college freshman! Doesn't matter to them!

As a parent of a 2019 player in the tournament, I definitely care that another program had a 2018 player playing for them. That is blatantly cheating. You are condoning having a 2018 player on a 2019 team during a tournament?

No. I think it is wrong and absolutely cheating. Unfortunately it is what goes on. Clubs are encouraging it. Flat out telling you to do it. Would never let my son do it, but if you look to "vacate" every win of every team you play who has a reclass, holdback or future PG kid, you will spend years being frustrated and wasting time and energy on something that will not change.

I don't like the reclass/holdback players but realize there is nothing that can be done about them. In this instance, a rising 10th grader - who plans to do a PG year - is playing on a rising 9th grade team. He has not reclassified, he is playing down and that is in violation of the rules. Can I say that my son "might" do a PG year and let him play with a 2020 team in his next tournament? Heck no.

We can spread the word about these cheaters.

Wow. Subjecting these kids to such abject vitriol is bad. The parents decide these outcomes and the kid pays a price. Really sad.

One question I have is why are no more club tournaments US Lacrosse sanctioned? I have not registered any of my sons for a lacrosse tournament needing their US Lacrosse registration numbers in almost two years. What purpose is US Lacrosse serving now to even exist as a sanctioning body or regulator for the sport? Seems very clear those are not roles they are filling right now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Subjecting these kids to such abject vitriol is bad. The parents decide these outcomes and the kid pays a price. Really sad.

One question I have is why are no more club tournaments US Lacrosse sanctioned? I have not registered any of my sons for a lacrosse tournament needing their US Lacrosse registration numbers in almost two years. What purpose is US Lacrosse serving now to even exist as a sanctioning body or regulator for the sport? Seems very clear those are not roles they are filling right now.

US Lacrosse was simply the original money grab, don't recall any of these issues before you had to pay 35 dollars a year for your kid to play lacrosse or to coach or 25 dollars to be a supportive parent

There isn't anything offensive about US Lacrosse doing memberships that cost $25 or $35. The problem is my kids who did different sports have US Soccer, US Hockey and US Swimming cards past or present and with those organizations I get it. Those two administer the sport and the sport follows. US Lacrosse I just don't get it. A safety crisis comes up like the helmet certification and all US Lacrosse does is put an editorial on their website about it. Age verification is very simple to do if US Lacrosse wanted to execute on it, but they won't and again just put preachy letters on topic on the website. US Soccer and US Swimming have kicked coaches out of the sport for sanctions like cheating age groups. Cheating grades is the same thing. A 9th grade team can't have a 10th grader or and 11th grader on it just because there is an argument that the kid intends to do some post graduate years before entering college. If lacrosse were an Olympic sport the USOC would kick US Lacrosse to the curb and get new people in to run it. One problem as I see it is lacrosse isn't at that real sport level and therefore is run like a private club that can do whatever it wants and go tone deaf on whatever is wants to ignore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There isn't anything offensive about US Lacrosse doing memberships that cost $25 or $35. The problem is my kids who did different sports have US Soccer, US Hockey and US Swimming cards past or present and with those organizations I get it. Those two administer the sport and the sport follows. US Lacrosse I just don't get it. A safety crisis comes up like the helmet certification and all US Lacrosse does is put an editorial on their website about it. Age verification is very simple to do if US Lacrosse wanted to execute on it, but they won't and again just put preachy letters on topic on the website. US Soccer and US Swimming have kicked coaches out of the sport for sanctions like cheating age groups. Cheating grades is the same thing. A 9th grade team can't have a 10th grader or and 11th grader on it just because there is an argument that the kid intends to do some post graduate years before entering college. If lacrosse were an Olympic sport the USOC would kick US Lacrosse to the curb and get new people in to run it. One problem as I see it is lacrosse isn't at that real sport level and therefore is run like a private club that can do whatever it wants and go tone deaf on whatever is wants to ignore.

Nicely said

Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

How do you define illegal? If you repeat a grade when is the date you can join the kids from the grade you just repeated back to. First day of summer? First day of school? Where are these rules written down to follow for reclass/repeat kids? I agree there are kids who have reclassed or started school late, and as much as this sucks for my kid. Is it really illegal or just crappy?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

See poster above...Spot on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

How do you define illegal? If you repeat a grade when is the date you can join the kids from the grade you just repeated back to. First day of summer? First day of school? Where are these rules written down to follow for reclass/repeat kids? I agree there are kids who have reclassed or started school late, and as much as this sucks for my kid. Is it really illegal or just crappy?

Just crappy. Naturally the ones who benefit from this see no problem with it, everyone else wonders how this is allowed to happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

How do you define illegal? If you repeat a grade when is the date you can join the kids from the grade you just repeated back to. First day of summer? First day of school? Where are these rules written down to follow for reclass/repeat kids? I agree there are kids who have reclassed or started school late, and as much as this sucks for my kid. Is it really illegal or just crappy?

it's crappy. tournaments hopefully will start adding language in that specifies that grade goes by whichever grade the kid was in the past school year. And they should add a limit for age -- May 1 like they did for the denver thing sounds reasonable. Our friends from NY would have legitimate grip since their school cutoff is december and holdbacks up there are fall bdays not summer. But it would be progress and would limit the age differences. They would probably just need to have u15 guideline for 8th grade

A kid is not officially reclasssed til they begin the reclasssed year (school) hence before that date they are operating on word which holds no water. Also known as illegal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

How do you define illegal? If you repeat a grade when is the date you can join the kids from the grade you just repeated back to. First day of summer? First day of school? Where are these rules written down to follow for reclass/repeat kids? I agree there are kids who have reclassed or started school late, and as much as this sucks for my kid. Is it really illegal or just crappy?

It's not hard to figure out, you have tryouts, you make a team you play on that team regardless of moving up, down or sideways until you have tryouts for the next season. That is the problem with what Crabs did at the Ocean. This is where Cabell copied King Crab twisted formula and then beat him at his own game, by having tryouts after spring for summer teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A kid is not officially reclasssed til they begin the reclasssed year (school) hence before that date they are operating on word which holds no water. Also known as illegal

This sounds like words from a rule book, can you please send me the link to the site you read this information from........ Ah you cant because this is how you would define the rule. Please find this written down somewhere and I will be glad to take it to Mr. Madlax myself and show him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

How do you define illegal? If you repeat a grade when is the date you can join the kids from the grade you just repeated back to. First day of summer? First day of school? Where are these rules written down to follow for reclass/repeat kids? I agree there are kids who have reclassed or started school late, and as much as this sucks for my kid. Is it really illegal or just crappy?

There is grey area during the summer in terms of a kid who has reclassed. That is not what we are talking about.

This is what Madlax is doing:

1. They have a kid who finished his 2017 year at a public school. He is still enrolled in that public school, but has been playing with their 2018 since last fall. Makes no sense.

2. They have a kid who played freshman year at a public HS. The kid is reclassifying and is now playing with their 2019 team. This is technically allowed, so I don't have a huge problem with this one.

3. They have a public school kid going into 8th grade (2020 grad year), yet he is playing RIGHT NOW with their 2021 summer team. Makes no sense.

4. They gave at least one other kid who is playing down because he states he will expect to do a PG year at some point. wth?

5. They have more holdbacks on their teams than the Crabs. Technically fine, but kind of lousy.

Whenever you see a Madlax parent, ask them about these situations. They will likely run away or pretend not to know what is going on, but at least it will dial up the pressure on these cheaters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone needs to tell the Crabs about this cheating. No wonder Madlax won it all. Their 2019 team isn't that great. Having an older kid explains how they were able to win it.

I'm sure the Crabs would be shocked and disappointed to hear about this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

How do you define illegal? If you repeat a grade when is the date you can join the kids from the grade you just repeated back to. First day of summer? First day of school? Where are these rules written down to follow for reclass/repeat kids? I agree there are kids who have reclassed or started school late, and as much as this sucks for my kid. Is it really illegal or just crappy?

There is grey area during the summer in terms of a kid who has reclassed. That is not what we are talking about.

This is what Madlax is doing:

1. They have a kid who finished his 2017 year at a public school. He is still enrolled in that public school, but has been playing with their 2018 since last fall. Makes no sense.

2. They have a kid who played freshman year at a public HS. The kid is reclassifying and is now playing with their 2019 team. This is technically allowed, so I don't have a huge problem with this one.

3. They have a public school kid going into 8th grade (2020 grad year), yet he is playing RIGHT NOW with their 2021 summer team. Makes no sense.

4. They gave at least one other kid who is playing down because he states he will expect to do a PG year at some point. wth?

5. They have more holdbacks on their teams than the Crabs. Technically fine, but kind of lousy.

Whenever you see a Madlax parent, ask them about these situations. They will likely run away or pretend not to know what is going on, but at least it will dial up the pressure on these cheaters.

Anything going on with 2018 and above I could care less these are all high school kids and they play high school age kids all spring. So to me it does not mean anything if a 2016 plays with 2018. But for any group 8th grade/rising 9th grade group and blow any of these things are really crappy. I can tell you most Madlax parents only care about their on child's situation. So if the holdbacks are helping their kid look good they are cool with it. But if their kid is not playing or playing blue because of holdbacks they are mad.

Madlax parents are kind of sad. They know the owner is a nightmare but they put up with it because they think it's the best game in town. But the better ones realize in HS that their son is either better off recruiting wise with a better club or they are fed up overpaying for his BS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax parents are kind of sad. They know the owner is a nightmare but they put up with it because they think it's the best game in town. But the better ones realize in HS that their son is either better off recruiting wise with a better club or they are fed up overpaying for his BS.

Ok, thanks for the passive aggressive VLC is better at selling high school kids to college comment. Forgot the hey ungrateful quitter story link that time, FYI. Cabell isn't the only club owner with some ethical or other "issues" and Kong Crab shares the same bed. I thought the point here was a debate on how to curb the Wild West impact of kids with beards playing in middle school club lacrosse events. Instead of blaming Cabell or the other club owners let's realize that the rules are there are no rules, and the club guys don't want rules as it limits their competitive or financial flexibility. US Lacrosse could be a beacon of hope, but instead they can't seem to ever get buy-in for their guidelines on anything from anyone. I refuse to believe lacrosse can't be at least managed well like youth soccer, and it is a lot more fruitful to focus on how that can be accomplished. Parents underwite EVERYTHING. We can refuse to let our kids play in or pay for lacrosse events that don't follow US Lacrosse age based standards. Or grade based with age boundary conditions. We really don't need 16 year olds running roughshod over 14 year olds, or worse denying them a playing time or roster spot on club teams. If all of that is being done just because there isn't a rule against it -- do the right damn thing and have a rule. I've heard all the arguments for grade based teams without any constraints and they make some good points but fail to acknowledge that is you are more than a calendar year boundary older than the public school grade guidelines, then you have to play up a school year. Simple. Doing that won't hurt a great lacrosse player one bit. If they are really good and are real D1 players, the recruiters evaluating them won't fail to see that.

Good points. I hope the people over at USL are reading some of these comments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good points. I hope the people over at USL are reading some of these comments.

They might be. But one wonders what impact it will have on them.
They are in Baltimore . Either they have kids that have attended Private schools there or have friends with children in private schools there. Wonder how big their bias is to the holdback issue. Wonder if they have a sympathetic ear to the issue. They love lacrosse and privates are the best HS lacrosse in Balt.

Question: is a new sanctioning body organization possible for lacrosse? USL has no direct influence or affect on youth lacrosse now. Nearly all club and other youth events are not USL sponsored or insured events. A good start would be for petitioners to notice USL that our memberships are withdrawn. USL can ignore this and all other youth lacrosse and safety issues, but I doubt they will ignore and accept registrations going from 700K+ to zero. They can keep the $30 they already have from us per head...but that goes to zero hereforward. That constructively ends USL as a going concern. It would be well deserved. How about it everyone?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A kid is not officially reclasssed til they begin the reclasssed year (school) hence before that date they are operating on word which holds no water. Also known as illegal

Are you the arbiter of the definition of "officially"?

The fact is that currently there are no rules here. Parents, players and clubs will continue to do whatever they wish until hard rules are put in place. The sad commentary here is that college coaches continue to favor players that are amongst the oldest of their recruiting class peers.

There is no rule on when a reclass takes place. My son played against kids 20+ months older than him this week at an elite grade based recruiting camp. Not complaining just stating fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A kid is not officially reclasssed til they begin the reclasssed year (school) hence before that date they are operating on word which holds no water. Also known as illegal

Are you the arbiter of the definition of "officially"?

The fact is that currently there are no rules here. Parents, players and clubs will continue to do whatever they wish until hard rules are put in place. The sad commentary here is that college coaches continue to favor players that are amongst the oldest of their recruiting class peers.

There is no rule on when a reclass takes place. My son played against kids 20+ months older than him this week at an elite grade based recruiting camp. Not complaining just stating fact.

20 months I have heard of 18 months older but 20+ is a new low or high depends on how you look at it.

Madlax 2016 and 2017 Teams had a great showing this week at the UA Shootout. The 2017 Team made it to the Semis beating Landon in the Quarters. The 2016 Team won the whole thing beating PVI in the Quarters and Blackwolf in the Semis. Good Job Men!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2016 and 2017 Teams had a great showing this week at the UA Shootout. The 2017 Team made it to the Semis beating Landon in the Quarters. The 2016 Team won the whole thing beating PVI in the Quarters and Blackwolf in the Semis. Good Job Men!

What did you just say Madlax beat the great Blackwolf. This can not be true?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

How do you define illegal? If you repeat a grade when is the date you can join the kids from the grade you just repeated back to. First day of summer? First day of school? Where are these rules written down to follow for reclass/repeat kids? I agree there are kids who have reclassed or started school late, and as much as this sucks for my kid. Is it really illegal or just crappy?

There is grey area during the summer in terms of a kid who has reclassed. That is not what we are talking about.

This is what Madlax is doing:

1. They have a kid who finished his 2017 year at a public school. He is still enrolled in that public school, but has been playing with their 2018 since last fall. Makes no sense.

2. They have a kid who played freshman year at a public HS. The kid is reclassifying and is now playing with their 2019 team. This is technically allowed, so I don't have a huge problem with this one.

3. They have a public school kid going into 8th grade (2020 grad year), yet he is playing RIGHT NOW with their 2021 summer team. Makes no sense.

4. They gave at least one other kid who is playing down because he states he will expect to do a PG year at some point. wth?

5. They have more holdbacks on their teams than the Crabs. Technically fine, but kind of lousy.

Whenever you see a Madlax parent, ask them about these situations. They will likely run away or pretend not to know what is going on, but at least it will dial up the pressure on these cheaters.

This is really funny. At Young Guns this past weekend, Edge rolled an entire team of 2018s, including reclassed kids, onto the field in the 2019 Championship game. Entire team. Lost to 8th graders.

Crabs entire starting 2019 lineup at Young Guns, with 1 exception, is reclassed, older, prefirst. They have a 16yo attackman playing on their 2019 team. Crabs moved 8 players from 2018 to 2019 team in Fall 2014. Lost to 8th graders too.

Madlax loses NPYLL 2019 Championship to reclassed Crabs this Spring. Few, if any, holdbacks play meaningful minutes. Team, coaches and parents walk off field muttering that, "we need more holdbacks" Madlax adds a couple to holdbacks to their 8th grade roster for the Summer.

Young Guns is a Crabs tournament using Crabs rules. RM allows Edge to move entire team from 2018 to 2019. How can he say no? Crabs play cake schedule and march mostly reclassed team into Semis. Madlax beats Crabs (in their own tournament for the 2nd year in a row) and Edge, and you criticize Madlax? Madlax fought fire with fire, and won, using mostly 8th graders.

If you had any brains, you would celebrate Madlax's victory over the Evil Empire and Evil Empire North. Anything less sounds like sour grapes from Crabs nation to me.

Was Edge 2020 a year older also? They lost to Looney's in the final.

I remember when winning the Shootout was a big deal. Most of those teams are mediocre. Madlax 2016 is a 2nd tier 2016 at best.

So are you saying Landon, PVI and Blackwolf are mediocre? I'm pretty sure, they would disagree.

All three were missing a ton of guys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I remember when winning the Shootout was a big deal. Most of those teams are mediocre. Madlax 2016 is a 2nd tier 2016 at best.

As long as Madlax is good enough to be at the best events is all that matters. The Maryland or Duke coach does not care if a kids team went 4-0 or 0-4 on a Sat. in July. Madlax puts your son on the correct stage in front of the right people. Thats all you should ask for the shot. And Madlax gives that to them. Being the worst team in the NFL is still better then being the best team in Canada.

Of course they were...

If you played again this weekend with a hard 9/1 cutoff, think how differently the college coaches perspective's might be. In 2019 for instance, instead of Edge v Madlax in the final (both with 2018 player playing in the game), the college coaches might have been watching Patriot v Alcatraz Outlaws and a player on one of those teams might have gotten a verbal from UVA this week. If one of the goals of traveling to a tournament like this is to get in front of the coaches, why make the effort only to get blow out by a team one year older and not advance to the part of the tournament where the coaches will see you? You can stay in New Jersey and California and do that. Those poor kids that made the effort to get to Baltimore and were never seen by college coaches must feel like suckers. The club coaches should tell the tournament organizers to clean up their act or skip the tournaments alltogether and tell their players to spend their money going to college camps and showcase events.

The Shootout talk doesn't matter (although it's true that it no longer has a strong pool of teams.)

What does matter is Madlax leads a char G e of hold backs and playing guys down against the rules. That is pretty lame.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Shootout talk doesn't matter (although it's true that it no longer has a strong pool of teams.)

What does matter is Madlax leads a char G e of hold backs and playing guys down against the rules. That is pretty lame.

So first it was the Crabs are the head cheaters, now it's Madlax got it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Shootout talk doesn't matter (although it's true that it no longer has a strong pool of teams.)

What does matter is Madlax leads a char G e of hold backs and playing guys down against the rules. That is pretty lame.

I am still going back to 9-11 graders it does not matter they are all high school age kids. And this is when the scouts look at them 2019 and up. They only care when will this kid show up at my school. They do not care if he is 18 or 21. Look at college football they love to do the story about the guy who went to war or mission and he is a 24 or 28 year old freshman. Start at the top. The college coaches who pick kids who reclass. I am just guessing but when a coach is scouting a kid he gets his birthday. So they know when a kid is 16 playing 14 year old kids. So if they do not care why would the club coach care. All rules start at the top. Not the middle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you played again this weekend with a hard 9/1 cutoff, think how differently the college coaches perspective's might be. In 2019 for instance, instead of Edge v Madlax in the final (both with 2018 player playing in the game), the college coaches might have been watching Patriot v Alcatraz Outlaws and a player on one of those teams might have gotten a verbal from UVA this week. If one of the goals of traveling to a tournament like this is to get in front of the coaches, why make the effort only to get blow out by a team one year older and not advance to the part of the tournament where the coaches will see you? You can stay in New Jersey and California and do that. Those poor kids that made the effort to get to Baltimore and were never seen by college coaches must feel like suckers. The club coaches should tell the tournament organizers to clean up their act or skip the tournaments alltogether and tell their players to spend their money going to college camps and showcase events.

Let's hope not, I would feel terrible for the UVA coaches if that happened and they blew a recruiting opp on one of those two teams...

Dude, you are so out of th loop. The UVA coaches were watching a 2020 kid they offered when he was in 4th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you played again this weekend with a hard 9/1 cutoff, think how differently the college coaches perspective's might be. In 2019 for instance, instead of Edge v Madlax in the final (both with 2018 player playing in the game), the college coaches might have been watching Patriot v Alcatraz Outlaws and a player on one of those teams might have gotten a verbal from UVA this week. If one of the goals of traveling to a tournament like this is to get in front of the coaches, why make the effort only to get blow out by a team one year older and not advance to the part of the tournament where the coaches will see you? You can stay in New Jersey and California and do that. Those poor kids that made the effort to get to Baltimore and were never seen by college coaches must feel like suckers. The club coaches should tell the tournament organizers to clean up their act or skip the tournaments alltogether and tell their players to spend their money going to college camps and showcase events.

I wrote the post above that you are responding to and I completely agree with you! We should play on age, 9/1 cutoff is good, and rules should be play up, never down. My son meets the criteria. However, this was a Crabs tournament, Crabs self-serving schedules and rules, so kids play down. Edge sent their entire team down. Madlax adjusted, and beat them playing their game, their way.

Effect on my son is that he's playing up! Hopefully the college coaches noticed his birthdate as well as his performance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dude, you are so out of th loop. The UVA coaches were watching a 2020 kid they offered when he was in 4th grade.

Well that's even worse - guess that's why they weren't in the final brackets this last year LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dude, you are so out of th loop. The UVA coaches were watching a 2020 kid they offered when he was in 4th grade.

Wait what? Expand please

What team?

Sarcasm. Wow, you really are a lacrosse parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you played again this weekend with a hard 9/1 cutoff, think how differently the college coaches perspective's might be. In 2019 for instance, instead of Edge v Madlax in the final (both with 2018 player playing in the game), the college coaches might have been watching Patriot v Alcatraz Outlaws and a player on one of those teams might have gotten a verbal from UVA this week. If one of the goals of traveling to a tournament like this is to get in front of the coaches, why make the effort only to get blow out by a team one year older and not advance to the part of the tournament where the coaches will see you? You can stay in New Jersey and California and do that. Those poor kids that made the effort to get to Baltimore and were never seen by college coaches must feel like suckers. The club coaches should tell the tournament organizers to clean up their act or skip the tournaments alltogether and tell their players to spend their money going to college camps and showcase events.

Let's hope not, I would feel terrible for the UVA coaches if that happened and they blew a recruiting opp on one of those two teams...

I was at UMBC last week watching Jake Reed. You would be shocked at the level of play by kids from Georgia, Missouri, Texas, ect. I could not believe how good the kids from non-hotbed areas were.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Shootout talk doesn't matter (although it's true that it no longer has a strong pool of teams.)

What does matter is Madlax leads a char G e of hold backs and playing guys down against the rules. That is pretty lame.

I am still going back to 9-11 graders it does not matter they are all ghigh school age kids. And this is when the scouts look at them 2019 and up. They only care when will this kid show up at my school. They do not care if he is 18 or 21. Look at college football they love to do the story about the guy who went to war or mission and he is a 24 or 28 year old freshman. Start at the top. The college coaches who pick kids who reclass. I am just guessing but when a coach is scouting a kid he gets his birthday. So they know when a kid is 16 playing 14 year old kids. So if they do not care why would the club coach care. All rules start at the top. Not the middle.

Since this is the case, it should be fixed and college coaches should not be allowed to make early verbal commitments to anyone under 16.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was Edge 2020 a year older also? They lost to Looney's in the final.

They are a year older but Looneys also has their share of older kids. The true age based teams got knocked out early in a tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you played again this weekend with a hard 9/1 cutoff, think how differently the college coaches perspective's might be. In 2019 for instance, instead of Edge v Madlax in the final (both with 2018 player playing in the game), the college coaches might have been watching Patriot v Alcatraz Outlaws and a player on one of those teams might have gotten a verbal from UVA this week. If one of the goals of traveling to a tournament like this is to get in front of the coaches, why make the effort only to get blow out by a team one year older and not advance to the part of the tournament where the coaches will see you? You can stay in New Jersey and California and do that. Those poor kids that made the effort to get to Baltimore and were never seen by college coaches must feel like suckers. The club coaches should tell the tournament organizers to clean up their act or skip the tournaments alltogether and tell their players to spend their money going to college camps and showcase events.

Let's hope not, I would feel terrible for the UVA coaches if that happened and they blew a recruiting opp on one of those two teams...

I was at UMBC last week watching Jake Reed. You would be shocked at the level of play by kids from Georgia, Missouri, Texas, ect. I could not believe how good the kids from non-hotbed areas were.

Was there too - this is very true re: non-hotbed areas

Can we please get back to the topic of Madlax? I would like to know more about these kids in older grades playing down on younger grade teams. That sounds pretty indefensible.

The avoidance/silence of Madlax parents makes me think the allegations must be true.

There is no silence it is true. But like stated before there are no real rules to say they can not. Grade based is Grade based. We hate it as much as the none reclass crabs parents do. But if the parent of the kid fills out a tryout form and says there kid is graduating in 2019 or 2020 what do you want the owners to do. The parents can count! I am sure they are aware but most of the owners/coaches care about winning and having good players. The Private schools recruit kids to come play for them. They do not care how old a kid is as long as he is going to be a freshman when he starts at there school. These schools are all Church based and you can not keep them from cheating what do you want from a club team that is for profit. They just give what the people who are paying want. Teams that win and play in the best of the best with the most colleges there to watch.

Jake Reed is not real lacrosse , it's every man for
Himself, so the more athletic older kid looks better, their is no sliding, passing, and u can use your strong hand all the time, don 't be fooled.

I was at UMBC last week watching Jake Reed. You would be shocked at the level of play by kids from Georgia, Missouri, Texas, ect. I could not believe how good the kids from non-hotbed areas were. [/quote]

Glad you were finally able to make it out of 1983

Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.

Not really true they have at least 5 re class kids. So you are correct they are 2019 but they are almost 16 years old. They are not cheating it just sucks for 14 year olds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.

They have a kid who finished his freshman year at a public school this past spring. He is playing with their 2018 team, but is being held back and is attending a private school this fall, so he will be part of their 2019 team in the fall.

Their 2017 team has a ton of holdbacks. There are holdbacks on nearly every team. They have more holdbacks than the Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.

Check your facts. One middie finished 9th grade in public school last year and will attend 10th grade next year. A second rising 10th grader showed up for the Young guns tournament and can be seen in photos back with his 2018 team this past weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.

Check your facts. One middie finished 9th grade in public school last year and will attend 10th grade next year. A second rising 10th grader showed up for the Young guns tournament and can be seen in photos back with his 2018 team this past weekend.

Madlax does not try to hide any of the holdbacks from anyone. They know they are not breaking any rules. Because there are no rules when it comes to grade based teams. Ok no enforceable rules with grade based teams. Can someone show me the official cut off date for what grade you are in. You start the year in a grade in school. On the last day you find out if you passed or failed that grade, or you want to redo that year. So one could say you have picked or been told to do the year over on the first day of summer. So you are know graduating in this new year. This point is a fact and the person is not lying. Are the gaming the system, does it suck and hurt other people yes. But it is still with in the guide lines of grad based teams. I hate it but until they point a age limit along with the grade this is all mute. No one is "cheating" they are just playing with in the crappy rules to make the best team. When the little private school fly's in a 7 foot center for the basketball team, when the college has 27 year old players,when the home team lets the grass grow or cuts it short,when the coach ices the kicker, when a team has players from 3 states away or 4 hours away on the team, when a club pays all the fees for a poor really really good player, All these things are with in the rules but some could be looked at as cheating. But cheating is when you break a clear rule. Grade based teams have no clear rules. First verbal of 2019 was a reclass kid on a team with reclass kids. When it stops working it will stop.

^^^

You just made a great argument for why there needs to be a simple rule for grade-based tournaments. Roster forms and registrations often ask for school and graduation year.

How about: "In a graduation year division, the graduation year of a player is based on the grade of the current or recently completed school year, regardless of future plans. Teams must play in the division of the highest graduation year of ANY of its players. For example, if a rising 8th grade team has one player who just completed 8th grade, the team must compete in the rising 9th grade division."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^^

You just made a great argument for why there needs to be a simple rule for grade-based tournaments. Roster forms and registrations often ask for school and graduation year.

How about: "In a graduation year division, the graduation year of a player is based on the grade of the current or recently completed school year, regardless of future plans. Teams must play in the division of the highest graduation year of ANY of its players. For example, if a rising 8th grade team has one player who just completed 8th grade, the team must compete in the rising 9th grade division."

. . . if centralized by US Lacrosse, there should be an open period to reclassify - after all school systems finish their spring semester (like 1 July-1 September).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^^

You just made a great argument for why there needs to be a simple rule for grade-based tournaments. Roster forms and registrations often ask for school and graduation year.

How about: "In a graduation year division, the graduation year of a player is based on the grade of the current or recently completed school year, regardless of future plans. Teams must play in the division of the highest graduation year of ANY of its players. For example, if a rising 8th grade team has one player who just completed 8th grade, the team must compete in the rising 9th grade division."

. . . if centralized by US Lacrosse, there should be an open period to reclassify - after all school systems finish their spring semester (like 1 July-1 September).

I agree with these last to post 100%, but calling Madlax cheaters or Crabs cheaters is getting no one any where.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^^

You just made a great argument for why there needs to be a simple rule for grade-based tournaments. Roster forms and registrations often ask for school and graduation year.

How about: "In a graduation year division, the graduation year of a player is based on the grade of the current or recently completed school year, regardless of future plans. Teams must play in the division of the highest graduation year of ANY of its players. For example, if a rising 8th grade team has one player who just completed 8th grade, the team must compete in the rising 9th grade division."

. . . if centralized by US Lacrosse, there should be an open period to reclassify - after all school systems finish their spring semester (like 1 July-1 September).

I agree with these last to post 100%, but calling Madlax cheaters or Crabs cheaters is getting no one any where.

Except it is the truth, you are on a team until there are tryouts for the next season. This is just so plain and simple to everyone doing the right thing and the lines are so blurred for everyone living in denial.(in other words playing for a the blue and yellow or playing for the blue and orange)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^^

You just made a great argument for why there needs to be a simple rule for grade-based tournaments. Roster forms and registrations often ask for school and graduation year.

How about: "In a graduation year division, the graduation year of a player is based on the grade of the current or recently completed school year, regardless of future plans. Teams must play in the division of the highest graduation year of ANY of its players. For example, if a rising 8th grade team has one player who just completed 8th grade, the team must compete in the rising 9th grade division."

. . . if centralized by US Lacrosse, there should be an open period to reclassify - after all school systems finish their spring semester (like 1 July-1 September).

Sorry to be rude but its silly to limit reclassing to a specific period of the year. Kids should be able to reclass any time they want. Why? Because the only factor that should be relevant to where someone plays on a club/town/youth team is the date the kid came out of his momma's womb. It should not matter what grade the kid is in.

Try telling a hockey guy that a stud player should be able to stay in Bantam Major for another year because he chooses to not advance to the next grade in school. See what his reaction would be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.

They have a kid who finished his freshman year at a public school this past spring. He is playing with their 2018 team, but is being held back and is attending a private school this fall, so he will be part of their 2019 team in the fall.

Their 2017 team has a ton of holdbacks. There are holdbacks on nearly every team. They have more holdbacks than the Crabs.

Total nonsense. Crabs have more reclass kids on 2019 team than Madlax does in the entire program. For example, this Spring the Crabs reclassed 8 2018 players onto their 2019 team roster. Some attended prefirst, making them 2 years older! They joined other prefirst and reclassed kids already on the 2019 roster, making the Crabs 2019 as old as Madlax 2018s.
Crabs are root of reclass problem. Only team close if Edge out of Canada.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.

They have a kid who finished his freshman year at a public school this past spring. He is playing with their 2018 team, but is being held back and is attending a private school this fall, so he will be part of their 2019 team in the fall.

Their 2017 team has a ton of holdbacks. There are holdbacks on nearly every team. They have more holdbacks than the Crabs.

Total nonsense. Crabs have more reclass kids on 2019 team than Madlax does in the entire program. For example, this Spring the Crabs reclassed 8 2018 players onto their 2019 team roster. Some attended prefirst, making them 2 years older! They joined other prefirst and reclassed kids already on the 2019 roster, making the Crabs 2019 as old as Madlax 2018s.
Crabs are root of reclass problem. Only team close if Edge out of Canada.

"Some attended prefirst, making them 2 years older" If this is true than they will be ineligible to play sports in the MIAA --

From MIAA rules-

II. Age Limitations
A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday before August 31 of a given academic year is not eligible to participate.

Have there been kids that sat out their senior year of HS at BL, Gilman etc. I haven't heard of that so I believe the double hold back miaa kid is a myth. Reclassifying a year just for sports is bad enough. Exaggerating just cheapens your argument

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.

They have a kid who finished his freshman year at a public school this past spring. He is playing with their 2018 team, but is being held back and is attending a private school this fall, so he will be part of their 2019 team in the fall.

Their 2017 team has a ton of holdbacks. There are holdbacks on nearly every team. They have more holdbacks than the Crabs.

Total nonsense. Crabs have more reclass kids on 2019 team than Madlax does in the entire program. For example, this Spring the Crabs reclassed 8 2018 players onto their 2019 team roster. Some attended prefirst, making them 2 years older! They joined other prefirst and reclassed kids already on the 2019 roster, making the Crabs 2019 as old as Madlax 2018s.
Crabs are root of reclass problem. Only team close if Edge out of Canada.

"Some attended prefirst, making them 2 years older" If this is true than they will be ineligible to play sports in the MIAA --

From MIAA rules-

II. Age Limitations
A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday before August 31 of a given academic year is not eligible to participate.

Have there been kids that sat out their senior year of HS at BL, Gilman etc. I haven't heard of that so I believe the double hold back miaa kid is a myth. Reclassifying a year just for sports is bad enough. Exaggerating just cheapens your argument

Have you ever been to a Gilman football game? I highly doubt this rule is enforced at all. Ever wonder why BL doesn't have any kids on the U19 team? The seniors are all too old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.

They have a kid who finished his freshman year at a public school this past spring. He is playing with their 2018 team, but is being held back and is attending a private school this fall, so he will be part of their 2019 team in the fall.

Their 2017 team has a ton of holdbacks. There are holdbacks on nearly every team. They have more holdbacks than the Crabs.

Total nonsense. Crabs have more reclass kids on 2019 team than Madlax does in the entire program. For example, this Spring the Crabs reclassed 8 2018 players onto their 2019 team roster. Some attended prefirst, making them 2 years older! They joined other prefirst and reclassed kids already on the 2019 roster, making the Crabs 2019 as old as Madlax 2018s.
Crabs are root of reclass problem. Only team close if Edge out of Canada.

Keep telling that to yourself, Madlax dad. Is that why they have a 2017 kid on their 2018 team? Or a 2020 kid on their 2021 team?

Madlax has tons of holdbacks on all of their teams.

Madlax can barely field 1 or 2 teams at each year group and now they want to do 3....DC, MD, VA....how can this possibly work?

It works for Madlax because they will find kids to fill those teams. But nearly every B team is a bad experience no matter what the club is. Madlax has some good A teams and some medicore ones. None of their B teams are very good and now they will be even worse as they split into 2.

This is all about money for the owner as it always has been. Why people pay that ridiculous money Academy fee is beyond me.

I think they are betting on bringing in new talent from MD....most of the current teams are VA. It will help not having a "B" team like the Blue was.

It is not going to help. Nobody is going to leave their team to play on one of two B teams for Madlax.

Splitting their B team into two is only going to worsen the experience for the kids on Madlax's B teams.

[quote=Anonymous]It works for Madlax because they will find kids to fill those teams. But nearly every B team is a bad experience no matter what the club is.
Annapolis Hawks 2018 and 2019 Black creams are both solid teams and the boys have uad positive experiences.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]It works for Madlax because they will find kids to fill those teams. But nearly every B team is a bad experience no matter what the club is.
Annapolis Hawks 2018 and 2019 Black creams are both solid teams and the boys have uad positive experiences.

Sorry about the spelling mistakes, both are solid teams with good coaching and the boys have had positive experiences, so it can work.

Madlax 2019 Blue only lost 3 games all summer. And those 3 games where to the team that won the tournament. And they lost by 1 or 2 goals. Point being some of the blue teams do when and play well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2019 Blue only lost 3 games all summer. And those 3 games where to the team that won the tournament. And they lost by 1 or 2 goals. Point being some of the blue teams do when and play well.

Those are also awful tournaments against terrible competition. And when Madlax starts fielding two B teams per grade, the B experience for Madlax will get even worse.

That blue team was not very good, couple of good players, no concepts or schemes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That blue team was not very good, couple of good players, no concepts or schemes.

For a A level team playing in A level during the spring and summer. What local A teams are better. You have a point if you say Blue is paying AA money. But for a team they where a very good A level team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That blue team was not very good, couple of good players, no concepts or schemes.

For a A level team playing in A level during the spring and summer. What local A teams are better. You have a point if you say Blue is paying AA money. But for a team they where a very good A level team.

Please just stop, Hawks and VLC much better teams than that team, Bethesda and Cavalier were equal to Madlax

VLC is a AA team. Hawks are to far for any VA Madlax kid. and Cavs could be a good choice but they carried a 28 kid roster or something like that. You see you can not just say Madlax Blue teams suck with out giving a real option for a kid to go play for. Madlax cost more but plays more. They are still over priced for sure. But can someone from VLC, Cavs, Madlax, and Beth. Please state the total amount of games and practices and the 12 month complete break down for what each pays. Madlax will be the highest $ amount for sure. But compare the money to games and practices played. This should be a great time for the Madlax killers out there to prove what a rip off Madlax is. I would love to say to the Madlax owner the Cavs pay this amount of $ and they play this many games for the year. But no one will every put it on here.

VLC definitely has a problem with practice space and time as well as being modeled after the Crabs. The Crabs have multiple fields and can practice up to four times a week. With the loss of Flint Hill, VLC was averaging one practice a week for the few weeks that they did practice. The cost for VLC youth teams is too much compared to the number of tournaments and practices.

The cost was comparable to Madlax without the monthly fee and winter fees.

See this is the info we all need. . What do the other clubs do for winter. Thats why we all need to stop fighting for our club and just put the info out on the site for all to see and then let each person pick. Every club fills a need just most people do not know what need they want to fill. And I can promise you its good for everyone if we all put the real numbers out in a clean easy to understand way. This will make them all get better with what they give or what they charge.

My kid plays basketball in the winter. He plays football in the fall. He does not need to be playing lacrosse every weekend.

Thank God Madlax doesn't automatically charge my card $150 every month.

Ok I understand that for sure. And this is the place you can put down your club and your clubs cost in clear words for all of us to know how much your club is better and Madlax is bad. Please start typing thank you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid plays basketball in the winter. He plays football in the fall. He does not need to be playing lacrosse every weekend.

Thank God Madlax doesn't automatically charge my card $150 every month.

its $75 a month for older kids $50 for youngest kids and 100 for the high school kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid plays basketball in the winter. He plays football in the fall. He does not need to be playing lacrosse every weekend.

Thank God Madlax doesn't automatically charge my card $150 every month.

its $75 a month for older kids $50 for youngest kids and 100 for the high school kids

What a bargain! I'm allowed to have my credit card charged automatically for $100 a month just for the privilege of being part of the MADLAX ACADEMY!

And when we leave for another club, my card will continue to be charged for another 6 months. SWEET!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid plays basketball in the winter. He plays football in the fall. He does not need to be playing lacrosse every weekend.

Thank God Madlax doesn't automatically charge my card $150 every month.

its $75 a month for older kids $50 for youngest kids and 100 for the high school kids

What a bargain! I'm allowed to have my credit card charged automatically for $100 a month just for the privilege of being part of the MADLAX ACADEMY!

And when we leave for another club, my card will continue to be charged for another 6 months. SWEET!

Ok for gods sake I get it. So please lay out what you pay and what you get for the great club your kid plays for. I get it the monthly is a joke. But its around $1000 for the year please show me in plan English how Club X is a better deal and what you get for this great better deal. Please Please Please take the time and look at a 12 month span of your sons club add up the clinics or camps and tournament fees and spring fees you have paid and show me clearly what a idiot I am for paying this horrible no good Madlax club my money.
I have a open mind but if Madlax is only higher $500 or less we should stop talking about the money. And talk about the other reason Madlax is good or bad.

Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC

2018 went 1 - 2 - and 1 at fl$ in 3d. Is Madlax Capital 2018 a different team ? That doesn't sound like top 5 ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC

2019 is not the top team in the country. They lost to Crabs, FCA, HHH... this season. If you are talking about the National Team, please say so. That team has at least one 10th grader on it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC

2019 is not the top team in the country. They lost to Crabs, FCA, HHH... this season. If you are talking about the National Team, please say so. That team has at least one 10th grader on it.

Stop hating. They beat each of those teams too. Won over 20 games in a row to finish summer, 4 straight tournaments, including toughest tourneys in the country Young Guns and UMD. Finished 2nd in another, losing in overtime. Played toughest schedule and won. Beat the unbeatable Canadian Edge team that registered a 10th grade team in the 9th grade division. Players getting tons of attention from Top D1 recruiters.
If you want to be the best, play with the best. Go Madlax!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 went 1 - 2 - and 1 at fl$ in 3d. Is Madlax Capital 2018 a different team ? That doesn't sound like top 5 ?

the AAA team did not play fl$, but the AA team did and was very competitive. AAA had weekend off and is unquestionably best in DC area and a top 5 team in the country. 6-7 high D1 recruits and counting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC

You're kidding, right?

1. The 2016 team is a 2nd tier team nationally. The UA shootout is a shell of its former self. It used to have a strong field when Blackwolf won it. Now most of the teams there are garbage. Landon would have won it if their full team had been healthy. Blackwolf 2016 is a much better team. VLC 2016's team is better, too. Best in this area for 2016 is Greene Turtle and Crabs.

2. There is no "playing up" at the UA Shootout. There's just one division, genius. Madlax 2017 is just ok. Both Blackwolf and VLC had much better teams at that grade. Crabs is also the best 2017 team is this area.

3. Madlax 2018 is very good, but Blackwolf 2018 is better. VLC 2018 is definitely below Madlax's, but it's only a few goals difference. Best 2018 team in the area is Crabs.

4. 2019 is not the best team in the country. Crabs 2019 is much better and 2019 got lucky Crabs were upset last week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC

You're kidding, right?

1. The 2016 team is a 2nd tier team nationally. The UA shootout is a shell of its former self. It used to have a strong field when Blackwolf won it. Now most of the teams there are garbage. Landon would have won it if their full team had been healthy. Blackwolf 2016 is a much better team. VLC 2016's team is better, too. Best in this area for 2016 is Greene Turtle and Crabs.

2. There is no "playing up" at the UA Shootout. There's just one division, genius. Madlax 2017 is just ok. Both Blackwolf and VLC had much better teams at that grade. Crabs is also the best 2017 team is this area.

3. Madlax 2018 is very good, but Blackwolf 2018 is better. VLC 2018 is definitely below Madlax's, but it's only a few goals difference. Best 2018 team in the area is Crabs.

4. 2019 is not the best team in the country. Crabs 2019 is much better and 2019 got lucky Crabs were upset last week.

Crabs 2019 did not win a tournament all summer. I do not think they made to a final all summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 went 1 - 2 - and 1 at fl$ in 3d. Is Madlax Capital 2018 a different team ? That doesn't sound like top 5 ?

the AAA team did not play fl$, but the AA team did and was very competitive. AAA had weekend off and is unquestionably best in DC area and a top 5 team in the country. 6-7 high D1 recruits and counting

Did you just say AAA? Are you making things up? Never seen AAA rating for a team ever!! Is that to make people on the "C" team feel better about being on "A" team?
Crazy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 went 1 - 2 - and 1 at fl$ in 3d. Is Madlax Capital 2018 a different team ? That doesn't sound like top 5 ?

the AAA team did not play fl$, but the AA team did and was very competitive. AAA had weekend off and is unquestionably best in DC area and a top 5 team in the country. 6-7 high D1 recruits and counting

Did you just say AAA? Are you making things up? Never seen AAA rating for a team ever!! Is that to make people on the "C" team feel better about being on "A" team?
Crazy!

I think my man has confused ice hockey with lacrosse. Ice hockey has AAA, not lax!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 went 1 - 2 - and 1 at fl$ in 3d. Is Madlax Capital 2018 a different team ? That doesn't sound like top 5 ?

the AAA team did not play fl$, but the AA team did and was very competitive. AAA had weekend off and is unquestionably best in DC area and a top 5 team in the country. 6-7 high D1 recruits and counting

Did you just say AAA? Are you making things up? Never seen AAA rating for a team ever!! Is that to make people on the "C" team feel better about being on "A" team?
Crazy!

Hey quit letting people in on the marketing strategy of lacrosse clubs. Call the A team AAA, B team AA and C team A. Vola, just make the A team and my C ability player is headed to D1, well maybe D11 according to club director! ....

You are correct it is a marketing thing. They have two teams AAA and AA. Its just a way to say/show they have really good second teams. But you are correct they are trying to create a new classifier.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC

2019 is not the top team in the country. They lost to Crabs, FCA, HHH... this season. If you are talking about the National Team, please say so. That team has at least one 10th grader on it.

Stop hating. They beat each of those teams too. Won over 20 games in a row to finish summer, 4 straight tournaments, including toughest tourneys in the country Young Guns and UMD. Finished 2nd in another, losing in overtime. Played toughest schedule and won. Beat the unbeatable Canadian Edge team that registered a 10th grade team in the 9th grade division. Players getting tons of attention from Top D1 recruiters.
If you want to be the best, play with the best. Go Madlax!

Please, the DC 2019 team had a losing record against FCA 1-2 and Crabs 1-2 this year. How can they be the best in the country? If you are boasting about the success the National team had at the end of the season the please be clear. Yes that team had a nice run, but comparing that team to the DC team is not an apples to apples comparison. How do the DC players feel about giving up up playing time to those out of state ringers and to the 10 grader(s)?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC

2019 is not the top team in the country. They lost to Crabs, FCA, HHH... this season. If you are talking about the National Team, please say so. That team has at least one 10th grader on it.

Stop hating. They beat each of those teams too. Won over 20 games in a row to finish summer, 4 straight tournaments, including toughest tourneys in the country Young Guns and UMD. Finished 2nd in another, losing in overtime. Played toughest schedule and won. Beat the unbeatable Canadian Edge team that registered a 10th grade team in the 9th grade division. Players getting tons of attention from Top D1 recruiters.
If you want to be the best, play with the best. Go Madlax!

Please, the DC 2019 team had a losing record against FCA 1-2 and Crabs 1-2 this year. How can they be the best in the country? If you are boasting about the success the National team had at the end of the season the please be clear. Yes that team had a nice run, but comparing that team to the DC team is not an apples to apples comparison. How do the DC players feel about giving up up playing time to those out of state ringers and to the 10 grader(s)?

Madlax has had 7 players on that team get mentions. That is what this is about getting seen, being seen so if you have what it takes to play at the next level you get that chance. I read all the list on all the sites. And Madlax has players all over these list. Blackwolf and VLC has kids on the lists also but the Madlax kids from the 2018 and 2019 classes are there at a 2 to 1 ratio or higher.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 went 1 - 2 - and 1 at fl$ in 3d. Is Madlax Capital 2018 a different team ? That doesn't sound like top 5 ?

the AAA team did not play fl$, but the AA team did and was very competitive. AAA had weekend off and is unquestionably best in DC area and a top 5 team in the country. 6-7 high D1 recruits and counting

Did you just say AAA? Are you making things up? Never seen AAA rating for a team ever!! Is that to make people on the "C" team feel better about being on "A" team?
Crazy!

It is a stupid marketing trick that the owner came up with last summer that nobody buys. Because he found enough suckers to field 3 teams at that grade, he basically he called his best team "AAA" in order to call his B team "AA" and his C team "A".

The entire "AA" v "A" thing is stupid, although the "AA" term was created to separate a club's best team ("AA") from a rec's best team ("A").

Now that he has plans to split his marginal B teams into two separate B teams, I'm sure he'll call all his "AA" teams "AAA", and these B teams will now be called "AA".

Everyone sees through it. What do you expect from a guy who charges his kid $200 a month in order to advocate for them to college coaches?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 went 1 - 2 - and 1 at fl$ in 3d. Is Madlax Capital 2018 a different team ? That doesn't sound like top 5 ?

the AAA team did not play fl$, but the AA team did and was very competitive. AAA had weekend off and is unquestionably best in DC area and a top 5 team in the country. 6-7 high D1 recruits and counting

Did you just say AAA? Are you making things up? Never seen AAA rating for a team ever!! Is that to make people on the "C" team feel better about being on "A" team?
Crazy!

It is a stupid marketing trick that the owner came up with last summer that nobody buys. Because he found enough suckers to field 3 teams at that grade, he basically he called his best team "AAA" in order to call his B team "AA" and his C team "A".

The entire "AA" v "A" thing is stupid, although the "AA" term was created to separate a club's best team ("AA") from a rec's best team ("A").

Now that he has plans to split his marginal B teams into two separate B teams, I'm sure he'll call all his "AA" teams "AAA", and these B teams will now be called "AA".

Everyone sees through it. What do you expect from a guy who charges his kid $200 a month in order to advocate for them to college coaches?

Really now you are going with $200 a month its $100 a month and it pays the coaches and gets some extra workouts in the winter. A rip off yes but no need to lie to make it worse.

Not a fan of Cabell Maddux. I think he is an overblown clown, but if he has three teams in an age group what else should he call them. He could call them orange, blue and white and people would still come on here and [lacrosse] about it. A little silly to focus on the semantics when there are so many other things to laugh or pick at.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a fan of Cabell Maddux. I think he is an overblown clown, but if he has three teams in an age group what else should he call them. He could call them orange, blue and white and people would still come on here and [lacrosse] about it. A little silly to focus on the semantics when there are so many other things to laugh or pick at.

Thank you for a voice of reason. But I still can not get over why all these guys from the other local clubs refuse to put what they pay and what they get for a 12 month or break it down by season. Only giving opinions not facts. I am sure Madlax is killing people but you other guys will not put the facts out there to prove it. You want people to just take a strangers word for it without and facts.

Madlax 2017 Capital just won Inside Lacrosse Recruiting Invitational (session 3) against a very tough Leading Edge Elite.

And Madlax 2018 Nationals took home the championship against Mesa Fresh. The summer series was full of top notch teams including Eclipse, Breakers, etc... and D1 commits. Not looking for love here, but check your facts, show some class and give respect where it's due.

Eclipse 2017 and Leading Edge are both excellent teams. Both, however, were missing a ton of guys.

Madlax 2017 is nowhere near the elite level. As far Madlax 2018, that is a good result, but it was a weak field. They cannot hang with top teams like the Crabs.

I have the rosters from the tournament in front of me. I was there. Eclipse had 7 D1 commits including Virginia, North Carolina and Maryland. Leading Edge had 12 D1 commits including John Hopkins, Princeton, Georgetown, Villanova, etc... Madlax 2017 has 6 D1 commits to date. Keep it classy and give credit where it's due. Madlax players earned it and deserved it. It's as simple as that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have the rosters from the tournament in front of me. I was there. Eclipse had 7 D1 commits including Virginia, North Carolina and Maryland. Leading Edge had 12 D1 commits including John Hopkins, Princeton, Georgetown, Villanova, etc... Madlax 2017 has 6 D1 commits to date. Keep it classy and give credit where it's due. Madlax players earned it and deserved it. It's as simple as that.

I agree that Madlax does deserve to get some credit. They are a top 20 program and the numbers do not lie. You can talk about the issues Madlax does have all day. But they do produce results as much as any club.

This is not the issue with Madlax. The issue is all the holdbacks they have throughout their program.

Cheating, pure and simple.

All of the elite teams in the Baltimore and DC area that consist primarily of private school kids are filled with hold backs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the elite teams in the Baltimore and DC area that consist primarily of private school kids are filled with hold backs.

But only does a club like Madlax have a 2020 kid who is playing for their 2021 team. Or a 2017 kid who is playing for their 2018 team. Or a kid who just completed his freshman year (2018) who is now playing on their 2019 team.

How did this sport get to a point where the ranking of a team is how many kids committed to colleges versus performance on the field. 3d has a high school team with 8 D1 commits. Three VMI, a Mercer a Marist and can't remember the others. My son's rec team could beat them. PVI has over 10 commits. How many of those kids can really play at a high level. One? Two? Remember, the Ryans are gone now so can't keep riding those two players for a reputation.

Lacrosse people look seriously stupid to impute quality by college commit lists. It has almost gotten to a point where a kid should legally change his name to John Doe (UNC) or Joe Smith (JHU). Jesus, as someone who did college sports and actually accomplished something in a sport at an ACC school, this is all a little silly and kind of offensive to me. You're a Cavalier when you've worn the V in a match. You're nobody for just showing up and attending.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did this sport get to a point where the ranking of a team is how many kids committed to colleges versus performance on the field. 3d has a high school team with 8 D1 commits. Three VMI, a Mercer a Marist and can't remember the others. My son's rec team could beat them. PVI has over 10 commits. How many of those kids can really play at a high level. One? Two? Remember, the Ryans are gone now so can't keep riding those two players for a reputation.

Lacrosse people look seriously stupid to impute quality by college commit lists. It has almost gotten to a point where a kid should legally change his name to John Doe (UNC) or Joe Smith (JHU). Jesus, as someone who did college sports and actually accomplished something in a sport at an ACC school, this is all a little silly and kind of offensive to me. You're a Cavalier when you've worn the V in a match. You're nobody for just showing up and attending.

Well when you are talking about a club team not a high school team it is all about the verbals and the college looks. High school team is about winning a ring and what your team ranking is. Club is about getting better and being seen. The high school team you should play out of position to help the team win. In club play where and what is best for you. If your club team runs 100s of plays and you score through scheme not skill it does not help the kids on that team to be scouted. Sorry to the old school guys but its true. If a high school basketball team runs the Princeton Offense perfectly its going to be really hard for those kids to scouted for there skill. So club is the same way the system needs to be set up to showcase the kids raw skill. Team play is important but the scouts want and need to see if you can take your guy one on one.

That is world class pathetic. Find me one prep school program in the MIAA or at a top lacrosse prep school in the DMV that doesn't live for lacrosse commit lists. Go find me one news clipping of a BL game or a Bullis game or a PVI game to name three where the kids who scored goals or are noted in the article with college commits in parenthesis. Laxpower has threads where commit lists by prep school are updated almost weekly. I will take the other side of what you wrote, I think it is enough for most kids to just say they were committed to a college. We can agree to disagree, but I don't see a kid being a Cav or a Tarheel until he wears a jersey and does something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is world class pathetic. Find me one prep school program in the MIAA or at a top lacrosse prep school in the DMV that doesn't live for lacrosse commit lists. Go find me one news clipping of a BL game or a Bullis game or a PVI game to name three where the kids who scored goals or are noted in the article with college commits in parenthesis. Laxpower has threads where commit lists by prep school are updated almost weekly. I will take the other side of what you wrote, I think it is enough for most kids to just say they were committed to a college. We can agree to disagree, but I don't see a kid being a Cav or a Tarheel until he wears a jersey and does something.

I agree with you statement that you are not a Cav tell you touch the field. But that does not change if a kid pick them when he is 14 or 18 or 19. Putting a college next to a kids name is the easiest way for a avg. person to know how good the kid is. If they put all his stats next to his name would you have a issue with that. Also its 2015 so when they put the college next to a kids name the article comes up in google searches by someone searching the school. Which is good for the paper it gets more hits for its website which makes them more money.

Putting their college next to their name tells us how good they are? Correction: it tells you how good they were in 8th grade. I wouldn't care any more of stats were there either. I just think it is hysterical nobody can write a paragraph about a game without mentioning college commits next to names of every kid who scored a goal. I think you meant to write how good they were in 8th grade. BTW, I doubt a real news publication really cares about more "UNC" google hits leading to its website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC is a AA team. Hawks are to far for any VA Madlax kid. and Cavs could be a good choice but they carried a 28 kid roster or something like that. You see you can not just say Madlax Blue teams suck with out giving a real option for a kid to go play for. Madlax cost more but plays more. They are still over priced for sure. But can someone from VLC, Cavs, Madlax, and Beth. Please state the total amount of games and practices and the 12 month complete break down for what each pays. Madlax will be the highest $ amount for sure. But compare the money to games and practices played. This should be a great time for the Madlax killers out there to prove what a rip off Madlax is. I would love to say to the Madlax owner the Cavs pay this amount of $ and they play this many games for the year. But no one will every put it on here.

On the subject of credible A-level alternatives to the Madlax Blue, does anyone know anything about Top Caliber lacrosse in Alexandria? I believe their program may have just begun this spring?

Other than Madlax 2019 Orange, name a 2019 DC club that won a tournament. Go ahead...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC

2019 is not the top team in the country. They lost to Crabs, FCA, HHH... this season. If you are talking about the National Team, please say so. That team has at least one 10th grader on it.

Stop hating. They beat each of those teams too. Won over 20 games in a row to finish summer, 4 straight tournaments, including toughest tourneys in the country Young Guns and UMD. Finished 2nd in another, losing in overtime. Played toughest schedule and won. Beat the unbeatable Canadian Edge team that registered a 10th grade team in the 9th grade division. Players getting tons of attention from Top D1 recruiters.
If you want to be the best, play with the best. Go Madlax!

Please, the DC 2019 team had a losing record against FCA 1-2 and Crabs 1-2 this year. How can they be the best in the country? If you are boasting about the success the National team had at the end of the season the please be clear. Yes that team had a nice run, but comparing that team to the DC team is not an apples to apples comparison. How do the DC players feel about giving up up playing time to those out of state ringers and to the 10 grader(s)?

Madlax 2019 National Team played one tournament, Young Guns, and won it. Capital kids are 9 of 10 starters and 14 of top 15 on that team. Like it or not, Madlax 2019 Orange is by far the best in DC area and the best team in the country.

2019 didn't make final four at Platinum Cup when the D1 coaches were there. ( 15 of them) LI Express lost to 91 Laxachusettes and Crabs lost in semi's .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Other than Madlax 2019 Orange, name a 2019 DC club that won a tournament. Go ahead...

When your son grows up, you'll realize that while winning games and even a tournament is great, that is not the point of youth lacrosse. Nobody cares who wins a tournament. The point is getting better to play at higher levels.

Enjoy your trophy because nobody cares. You'll grow up someday, too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Other than Madlax 2019 Orange, name a 2019 DC club that won a tournament. Go ahead...

When your son grows up, you'll realize that while winning games and even a tournament is great, that is not the point of youth lacrosse. Nobody cares who wins a tournament. The point is getting better to play at higher levels.

Enjoy your trophy because nobody cares. You'll grow up someday, too.

People care or else they would not put so much time and effort into being the best. You obviously care because you are posting here. I think attendance is dropping in professional sports because they don't care about strangers and realizing that dumping their money into their kids who they do care about is much more rewarding.

I tell the kids and parents it's not about winning and losing. I schedule tough teams and tournaments so the kids grow and play teams that are better and realize what they need to do to step it up a level. Our playing style is based on long-term skills versus winning, i.e., taking a shot with your off-hand and not scoring or making that one more pass and your teammate drops it, versus powering through for the score.

All that said, those late afternoon post-championship photos are a big deal. Kids love it. Great for team morale. Parents love it. Makes kids more committed and loyal to team, etc. Parents can tell if a coach is organized and gives it is all and treats their kids well, but at the end of the day if you are losing they think you are a bad coach and if you are winning they think you are a good coach. That's life really.

More cynically, if a program is in it for the money, winning is what is going to make you money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I tell the kids and parents it's not about winning and losing. I schedule tough teams and tournaments so the kids grow and play teams that are better and realize what they need to do to step it up a level. Our playing style is based on long-term skills versus winning, i.e., taking a shot with your off-hand and not scoring or making that one more pass and your teammate drops it, versus powering through for the score.

All that said, those late afternoon post-championship photos are a big deal. Kids love it. Great for team morale. Parents love it. Makes kids more committed and loyal to team, etc. Parents can tell if a coach is organized and gives it is all and treats their kids well, but at the end of the day if you are losing they think you are a bad coach and if you are winning they think you are a good coach. That's life really.

More cynically, if a program is in it for the money, winning is what is going to make you money.

This is a great post. You have to care enough about winning to want to go and put up with the heat,travel and other outside crap. The best tournaments are when your team has a winning record but you didnt get the wins by 10 goals or more. I will take a 2-3 weekend with 5 one or 2 goal games over a 5-0 weekend with 5 blow outs. And I think thats what you get when you pay the extra money for some of the better clubs. The new lower level clubs go and get smoked in 5 games or play in a tournament to low for them and win 5 blow outs.

Who'd have thunk it two years ago that after all that drama Madlax would be the one which wiped every other local program out. I'm not a Madlax parent, am not a past Madlax parent and never will be a Madlax parent and have no reason to heap false praises. Madlax has the best youth teams by far, has the best middle school teams by far and has the best 2018 and 2019 teams locally by far. Next Level is done, VLC had a couple of good HS teams to live off until this year, comprised largely of kids poached from Madlax youth teams, but have not replicated the 2015 VLC team, and the 2017 team has had one outstanding player after the next leave over the past 18 months. VLC's youth teams are back to square one being coached by parents, and their HS teams are being handed off to local public HS coaches. Sound a little bit like Club Blue, Next Level, Cavalier, etc etc? Cabell isn't an admirable character, but he has won big. Game, set, match Madlax.

Yeah, I don't understand why there are no other programs in NoVa fielding "A" level youth lacrosse teams. Area should be able to support a half a dozen. I would think the area's huge affluent population would be all about supporting competitive travel lacrosse. Why is this? Everyone just does swimming or soccer? Are kids not starting by age 6 or 7?

My just turned 11 year old quit lacrosse after the spring. Enjoys baseball and soccer more. Had nothing to do with being better at another sport or being worse at lacrosse or wanting to focus on one sport. He just didn't enjoy it. My early teen boy plays for a good club team, but a few of his friends in recent spring summer have also quit lacrosse. My sample size is obviously very small, but do see some kids just deciding to do other sports. Lacrosse has been a very big fad in the past few years. Maybe that momentum is fading off some.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who'd have thunk it two years ago that after all that drama Madlax would be the one which wiped every other local program out. I'm not a Madlax parent, am not a past Madlax parent and never will be a Madlax parent and have no reason to heap false praises. Madlax has the best youth teams by far, has the best middle school teams by far and has the best 2018 and 2019 teams locally by far. Next Level is done, VLC had a couple of good HS teams to live off until this year, comprised largely of kids poached from Madlax youth teams, but have not replicated the 2015 VLC team, and the 2017 team has had one outstanding player after the next leave over the past 18 months. VLC's youth teams are back to square one being coached by parents, and their HS teams are being handed off to local public HS coaches. Sound a little bit like Club Blue, Next Level, Cavalier, etc etc? Cabell isn't an admirable character, but he has won big. Game, set, match Madlax.

Redneck Madlax dad rehashing the same lies. Stay away from the moonshine, dude.f

Again, the obsession to mention another club on a thread about Madlax. Strange.

Can we get back to talking about how Madlax uses kids from older grades on younger teams? I'm not talking about a kid who is reclassifying and is now on the team for his new grade. I'm talking about how Madlax has a 2020 kid on their 2021 team, for example.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again, the obsession to mention another club on a thread about Madlax. Strange.

Can we get back to talking about how Madlax uses kids from older grades on younger teams? I'm not talking about a kid who is reclassifying and is now on the team for his new grade. I'm talking about how Madlax has a 2020 kid on their 2021 team, for example.

My thinking as an outsider is that if any of the other clubs had done anything of merit, they would have their own thread. I would wonder why someone who does suck from the Cabell teet would come on a thread about a club they are not affiliated with and constantly bash them, then cry wolf when the same thing is done in turn.
This is all so stupid

You're right. No VLC thread with 48 pages. That club isn't interesting enough to fill 48 words in a comment. VLC = Next Level 2.0. Time to move on everyone.

Blackwolf dad here. I guess you guys feel the need to bash other clubs instead of addressing the accusations.

Glad to be a part of a club that actually cares about the kids rather than profits. None of our kids are playing down on teams a grade lower.

Blackwolf has re class kids at every level.
2018 acted like a bunch of thugs last fall at Terrapin classic.

Crabs thumped em..
Balckwolf-"Fake Tough"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blackwolf dad here. I guess you guys feel the need to bash other clubs instead of addressing the accusations.

Glad to be a part of a club that actually cares about the kids rather than profits. None of our kids are playing down on teams a grade lower.

If you are referring to VLC, you may not play down a grade, but you did play you whole team down a division in the spring.

,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who'd have thunk it two years ago that after all that drama Madlax would be the one which wiped every other local program out. I'm not a Madlax parent, am not a past Madlax parent and never will be a Madlax parent and have no reason to heap false praises. Madlax has the best youth teams by far, has the best middle school teams by far and has the best 2018 and 2019 teams locally by far. Next Level is done, VLC had a couple of good HS teams to live off until this year, comprised largely of kids poached from Madlax youth teams, but have not replicated the 2015 VLC team, and the 2017 team has had one outstanding player after the next leave over the past 18 months. VLC's youth teams are back to square one being coached by parents, and their HS teams are being handed off to local public HS coaches. Sound a little bit like Club Blue, Next Level, Cavalier, etc etc? Cabell isn't an admirable character, but he has won big. Game, set, match Madlax.

Redneck Madlax dad rehashing the same lies. Stay away from the moonshine, dude.f

Obviously someone didn't make Madlax Orange...

Connor Shellenberger, Madlax 2019, to Johns Hopkins! Congratulations Connor, well earned.

First of many Madlax 2019's to commit

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Connor Shellenberger, Madlax 2019, to Johns Hopkins! Congratulations Connor, well earned.

First of many Madlax 2019's to commit

Hi, Mr. Shellenberger!

Well if this is his father, congrats, your boy worked hard and earned a spot on a top tier program. if and when my son commits I will surely put it out there so everyone will know that dedication and hard work pay off

Congrats to your son!!!!!!!

DONT BE HATERS, SOON YOU WILL BE HATING EVERY KID THAT GETS AN OFFER.

Good for the kid and his family. And sweet Jesus, just go do a VLC versus the volcano forum thread and take these ad homenim attacks elsewhere. It's a proud day for the kid and family so leave be alone. It isn't like the kid is an ingrate or quit his club recently. See what I did there? Really funny. Now just take this garbage somewhere else. Please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Connor Shellenberger, Madlax 2019, to Johns Hopkins! Congratulations Connor, well earned.

First of many Madlax 2019's to commit

Hi, Mr. Shellenberger!

Your green is showing.. fool!

Gotta love those 8th grade parents pushing their kids to decide already. Must have come down to the team mascots....or maybe the team sock colors???? Congrats Dad!!

Well, the kid has four years to change his mind if he wants to. This is a verbal commitment to Twitter a college intention. No grades, no scores. Nothing much to pick on here. It is a silly process, but take it with pounds of salt. Feel bad for th kids who commit to these schools and then don't get admitted. That happened to several 2015 high school class kids.

Congrats to the kid, and sure hope he takes doing well in school seriously because Hopkins is not a gut major lax bro school.

This kid might be going to Hopkins, but if he had played 2019 for Plc vhe would have won a spring championship playing down a league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This kid might be going to Hopkins, but if he had played 2019 for Plc vhe would have won a spring championship playing down a league.

Do you ever get tired of saying the same schtick on this thread?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good for the kid and his family. And sweet Jesus, just go do a VLC versus the volcano forum thread and take these ad homenim attacks elsewhere. It's a proud day for the kid and family so leave be alone. It isn't like the kid is an ingrate or quit his club recently. See what I did there? Really funny. Now just take this garbage somewhere else. Please.

While I agree about leaving this kid alone, it is you who are bringing up another club to a thread (and recent topic) that doesn't involve it. You are also guilty of bringing up garbage.

Take it to a new VLC thread please. Thanks for playing.

that was the photo guy for madlax not his dad

not his dad that was the photographer

Who cares if it was his dad or Barbara Walters or the entertainer formerly named Prince. Get the message and take the retread personal attacks on Madlax parents or photographers and your trusty Deadspin article to another board please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares if it was his dad or Barbara Walters or the entertainer formerly named Prince. Get the message and take the retread personal attacks on Madlax parents or photographers and your trusty Deadspin article to another board please.

Nobody was attacking Madlax parents. Just calling out the kid's dad who was obviously boasting about his son.

But I guess it could have been the photographer instead. That guy is the biggest Madlax cheerleader on the planet.

If a parent is enthusiastic about congratulating a kid on a Madlax team, so be it. I am not a Madlax parent but do notice how beautiful and professional those photos are...I still have one of my son from a game my son's team played against Madlax on my phone and computer.

Sounds like the guy is enthusiastic and involved in providing some nice photos and videos for their teams. I wish he'd come over and photo our teams more! This vitriol belongs somewhere else. Please take it somewhere else.

Yes that was the photographer cause it was the same caption on his Facebook. Very nice guy just very passionate about madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Connor Shellenberger, Madlax 2019, to Johns Hopkins! Congratulations Connor, well earned.

First of many Madlax 2019's to commit

Hi, Mr. Shellenberger!

Is he a true 2019? What is his birth year? Not trying to stir pot, just curious if he is playing on age? Was he on the [lacrosse]'s team last December? I know the required birth certificates

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Connor Shellenberger, Madlax 2019, to Johns Hopkins! Congratulations Connor, well earned.

First of many Madlax 2019's to commit

Hi, Mr. Shellenberger!

Is he a true 2019? What is his birth year? Not trying to stir pot, just curious if he is playing on age? Was he on the [lacrosse]'s team last December? I know the required birth certificates

He is on age. But has a old birthday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes that was the photographer cause it was the same caption on his Facebook. Very nice guy just very passionate about madlax.

Passionate is one way to describe it. I guess I would be passionate about Madlax if it was responsible for all the clients for my business.

The difference is you don't have a successful photography business and he does. Thanks for playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The difference is you don't have a successful photography business and he does. Thanks for playing.

Well I guess you and he are both willing do ditch your morals to play for a guy who threatens kids who leave. Pure class.

There is a difference between being cross over a kid threatening to leave and reacting to a kid who did leave, you learned of it word of mouth and he / parents didn't return phone or email messages to confirm it for several weeks. I take no pity on Cabell Maddox for that whole escapade, but no even minded person could read that thread and not also think it is bad form to not have the common decency to notice "coach, thank you for the past lacrosse experience, I've decided to make a change of clubs for personal reasons." I'm not a Madlax parent, but I am far from believing the Madlax kids my son is school mate friends with are bad kids and I certainly don't buy that the parents are morally behind. If treating people in the worst way was standard procedure over there, Madlax would have disappeared. From my view it has grown in terms of participation and coach/team quality over the past two years. I don't know why that is, but it is and it is time for the naysayers to acknowledge that. Not urging you to jump on Cabell's bandwagon, but I am pretty sure I don't want to know how sausage is made at some other elite lacrosse clubs either.

The kid and the family did inform Madlax they were going to make a switch. This is America - you are allowed to change clubs if you wish.

Are you seriously condoning the threats the owner made in his emails? Talking to other families, I've heard others who received the same sort of treatment.

You really think it's ok to threaten to badmouth the kid to his future HS coach and possible college coach? Really?

They finally confirmed that the kid made a switch weeks after he did and was registered and uniformed at another club. Not condoning the email traffic, but that is the fact line and that was bad form. Not buying the I was too busy to return one of the repeated phone calls and emails bed time story. It was sleazy all around and the parents were equally at fault. If my son wanted to leave a lacrosse club, the immediate thing is to notice that club as a common courtesy, especially if the kid had been on non-paying scholarship and was given first dibs at showcase invites. My kid decides to leave an organization the next moment he would need to call and write a notice and give a thank you. I'd need to do that too. If a club lacrosse lunatic tried to engage a debate or sent one negative email, there would be no start of an email thread. Delete, permanent delete, done. This was a case of lacrosse ego divas gone wrong on both sides, and neither side looked rosy.

LOL. A family decided to make a change. Regardless of when/how they notified the owner, you are seriously condoing the words he said?

Threatening your customers because they thought there was a better choice? That equates to a customer not notifying you soon enough?

I know a family who left and gave notice weeks before they left. Got the same type of email/phone threats. And their credit continued to be charged for months afterwards.

My son left madlax this summer. He played with madlax for four years and was happy for 3 of those years, loved the kids he played with, played on the AAA and national teams, and began to think seriously about playing lacrosse at a D1 college. His last year at madlax was difficult however, as a new coach focused on helping other kids get recruited and significantly reduced our son's role on the team. Tournaments became a stressful experience for our son, wondering when he was finally going to get on the field, and no one was having fun watching him play anymore. After a year of less playing time, more time standing on the sidelines, no help with recruiting, and watching Cabell and the new coach heavily "market" a few specific kids -- one of whom was the photographer's son -- to every recruiting website and college recruiter possible, our son was depressed, unsure of himself, and less sure about his chances of getting noticed by a D1 college coach. We all realized that if he was going to be noticed by coaches, he needed to be on the field, playing lacrosse. We tried to leave madlax on good terms. We sent a prompt and gracious email before the summer tryouts thanking Cabell and the coaches for the many good years our son had with the team and wishing them well. We were surprised after a year of feeling invisible, to suddenly hear how important he was to the team and how ignorant we were as parents for pulling him out of madlax at this "crucial" recruiting time. Even after my husband called Cabell to try to reason with him (as he demanded) we received emails with silly threats and childish name-calling from Cabell. Cabell informed my son by text that it would be "nearly impossible" for him to get recruited to play D1 lacrosse without Cabell's help. He even told us that some college coaches had contacted him about our son, and intimated that if we wanted to know who the coaches were, we should allow our son to return to madlax. That seemed unethical to me. And extremely childish.

My son now says that leaving madlax was one of the best decisions he ever made. This summer, he was able to do some showcases with his high school team and some individual events. He also did a couple of tournaments with a new travel program in our area. This program has a very supportive coaching staff that saw my son's potential and let him play and get his confidence back. After a summer of playing great lacrosse and having fun for a change, he has recently verbally committed to a D1 program. I know it has been difficult for him to leave the friends he made on the madlax team, but in the end, because we were treated so poorly by Cabell and by his coach, it was easier to do than we thought it would be. Cabell has not changed. He likes to take credit for how talented a player is. He takes credit for things he has nothing to do with. In a way I feel a little sorry for him. He doesn't realize that some college coaches (all of the coaches we talked with at least) don't respect him and only "deal with him" because they have to if they want to recruit one of his players. The college coaches we talked to understood perfectly why our son left madlax and some even told us they thought it showed great character. I know there are other parents who are unhappy with the madlax program for various reasons but are sticking with it. There are many reasons for that. Some might think that it will hurt their sons chances of being recruited. We did not find that to be the case. I understand that our decision isn't necessarily the right decision for others, but I wanted to share our story because it might help others who are feeling like they need a change but are unsure of the wisdom of making a change.

Good for you ! Nice to see someone stand up for their sons best interest against one of the big clubs ! Good luck to your son!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The difference is you don't have a successful photography business and he does. Thanks for playing.

Well I guess you and he are both willing do ditch your morals to play for a guy who threatens kids who leave. Pure class.

That is so yesterday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This kid might be going to Hopkins, but if he had played 2019 for Plc vhe would have won a spring championship playing down a league.

Do you ever get tired of saying the same schtick on this thread?

No, apparently not. What they did was ridiculous, in my opinion is equivalent to holding kids back and should not be casually swept under the rug.

Says a lot about NCAA coaches when they state to parents that they don't like or respect Maddox, yet on the next breath are on the phone with him to buy more middle schoolers from the herd. It is almost like hearing Dom Starsia say he's adverse to evaluating 9th graders and then committing one the next...oh, never mind.

Sounds like club coaches and college coaches have found a sanctuary at the bottom of the muddy pond.

Negative recruiting between clubs is standard operating procedure. Our son left Crabs and it came back to us directly that the owner and some Crabs parents went well out of their way to trash and disparage our son. At least some college coaches had the gonads to tell us that. It didn't damage our son. When coaches see that a kid has top grades in honors courses and hear all about how good of a kid the high school coach who has him for 100 days and not just a few hit-and-run summer club events they can figure out sour grapes. If Cabell Maddox wants to trash a kid all day long let him. Sure, there's a guy who has a great idea about th character of a kid who went to a few recruiting tournaments.

Well, maybe I should redact the posts I made as a non-Madlax parent. He is loathe some given the post from the ex Madlax mom. Problem in this sport now is where do you do for a competitive club that is not being run by a scumbag?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, maybe I should redact the posts I made as a non-Madlax parent. He is loathe some given the post from the ex Madlax mom. Problem in this sport now is where do you do for a competitive club that is not being run by a scumbag?

Nobody is in the same class as the Madlax owner when it comes to being a scumbag.

Are there really no other quality NoVa youth clubs? Hard to believe. Greater RDU area in NC, as an example, has multiple quality clubs and much lower population.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there really no other quality NoVa youth clubs? Hard to believe. Greater RDU area in NC, as an example, has multiple quality clubs and much lower population.

None of the clubs from NC are any good. Is this some kind of joke?

Not a joke. My point is they have some decent teams and I've never seen another NoVa club field a non-hotbed A team, much less a hotbed A or AA team.

But to get specific comparing to MadLax (which was not my point), Summer Exposure 2022A championship was between two NC teams. Wasn't the 2022AA division, admittedly, but winner beat the Roughriders 2022 team 10-3 that Madlax beat 10-6 in the following weekend. NC team won U11A Summer Exposure championship. NC 2021 team is AA team by all accounts, losing to Igloo's Black Ice by 1 goal and outscoring teams 24-3 at Capital Classic (admittedly, again, not against hotbed A teams). Madlax 2021 beat a much lesser NC 2021 team by 7-2 there, which is dominant but not a blowout. NC 2020 team played AA at Young Guns and was competitive going 1-2.

Madlax did great at [lacrosse]'s winning U13 and U15 divisions. Anyone notice who won the next division older against a national FCA team?

I'm not a NC homer. My point is that I just know they field surprisingly competitive youth teams (considering that's NASCAR territory) whereas I haven't found any other NoVa clubs to be competitive.

The mom's post above is pretty damning. Doesn't mean the other Madlax coaches aren't great and the team experiences aren't great. I just can't believe there's not more competition in the area.

You haven't seen them because your son is young and you play in marginal tournaments. Summer Exposure, for example, used to be a pretty good tournament, but it has really gone downhill.

Blackwolf and VLC both have superior 2016 and 2017 teams to Madlax. For 2018, Blackwolf 2018 is just as good as Madlax and VLC isn't that far behind. Madlax 2019 is definitely the best in this area for 2019s. For 2020, it's a weak grade in the DMV and Madlax is better than VLC's team, but neither are that great. Blackwolf is starting up Middle School teams, so their teams will be strong in short time.

If you think Madlax is the only team fielding AA teams in the DMV, you are lack perspective.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there really no other quality NoVa youth clubs? Hard to believe. Greater RDU area in NC, as an example, has multiple quality clubs and much lower population.

None of the clubs from NC are any good. Is this some kind of joke?

If NC teams are a joke than Madlax is a joke.

2019 Team Carolina team lost by 1 twice to Madlax at the Capital Classic

From looking at comparable scores at Capital Classic and Young Guns, Carolina Cannons u13 and Team 24/7 2020 are equivalent with Madlax 2020

Team Carolina (Cyclones) 2021 would beat Madlax 2021 easily

Nobody cares about North Carolina lacrosse, dude.

I wasn't commenting on DMV, nor putting down older teams like Black Wolf or VLC.

I meant NoVa youth teams. Is 3d Mid-Atlantic the old Fuze and out of NoVa? Perhaps that is another option and they are or will field "A" teams. My point wasn't to pump up NC lax or put any club down - just wondering where are all the competing "clubs" south of the Potomac that I'd expect from the population. I'm sure there are some but I just haven't seen in tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares about North Carolina lacrosse, dude.

dude. not long ago nobody cared about N VA or DC lacrosse either...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares about North Carolina lacrosse, dude.

We big time. Team Carolina even has overage kids and a director who sends mean emails.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares about North Carolina lacrosse, dude.

I grew up in NC and live in the northeast now. I still go back to NC to see family and for business. The kids there are eaten up with lacrosse. They can't get enough of it. Don't forget that there are already very strong affiliations with Duke and UNC due to basketball and the kids are naturally turning into lacrosse fans as well now that they are playing the sport. One of the main impediments is that NC is still largely a public school state and the public school AD's are struggling to come up with the funds to cover lacrosse. Eventually, lacrosse will take over baseball and the AD's will use the baseball money to fund lacrosse. In some cases, the parents are covering the cost of fielding lacrosse teams. The kids want it that badly. North Carolina is only one state that I can give as an example. The current hotbed areas will only be that way for another 10 years and then lacrosse will largely be a national sport. It will be fun to watch.

Raw nerves in Maryland and DMV. Firm beliefs that our kids have higher lacrosse IQs and all that drivel. It makes all the sense in the world to me that there is parity in the youth game now in places like Texas and California. Soon to be North Carolina and others if not already. I do get concerned that the negative aspects of lacrosse including early recruiting and abject lunacy of club owners and crazy parents don't alienate the masses back to other sports. If the competitive side of lacrosse revs up with all of the negatives with it, I'd be concerned that the growth of lacrosse in places like the Carolinas will stagnate quick.

I know this guy (madlax photographer). Honestly he is beyond a proud parent -- he's a social media addict and obnoxious the way he markets his kid. Kid is good midfielder but not as good as you would think based on the social media coverage - he got the most out of his relationship with Maddux and Ty Xander's and the whole recruiting machine. Any kid who plays with madlax has a hype squad/press agent. I wonder if they pay extra for that

Really now the Madlax kids are only good because of the hype machine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really now the Madlax kids are only good because of the hype machine

You need reading comprehension lessons. That's not what he said.

Only pointing out the guy is obnoxious the way he pushes his kid and other madlax kids all over social media and recruiting sites. Plenty of good kids in the program. Plenty of good kids outside the program that don't get the attention. But who cares - in the end I don't think social media and Ty Xander's gets your kid a D1 spot.

[quote=Anonymous89000]Only pointing out the guy is obnoxious the way he pushes his kid and other madlax kids all over social media and recruiting sites. Plenty of good kids in the program. Plenty of good kids outside the program that don't get the attention. But who cares - in the end I don't think social media and Ty Xander's gets your kid a D1 spot. [/quote
People are lazy and college scouts are people so if someone is doing the work for them. I am sure they let Ty and the others start the list and they take it from there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous89000]Only pointing out the guy is obnoxious the way he pushes his kid and other madlax kids all over social media and recruiting sites. Plenty of good kids in the program. Plenty of good kids outside the program that don't get the attention. But who cares - in the end I don't think social media and Ty Xander's gets your kid a D1 spot. [/quote
People are lazy and college scouts are people so if someone is doing the work for them. I am sure they let Ty and the others start the list and they take it from there.

Are you saying that the defending national champion, coached by perhaps the greatest ever in Tierney, buys internet hype? Or is lazy in their evaluations?
The jealousy is palpable and laughable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous89000

I know this guy (madlax photographer). Honestly he is beyond a proud parent -- he's a social media addict and obnoxious the way he markets his kid. Kid is good midfielder but not as good as you would think based on the social media coverage - he got the most out of his relationship with Maddux and Ty Xander's and the whole recruiting machine. Any kid who plays with madlax has a hype squad/press agent. I wonder if they pay extra for that

Yes, over the top marketing and hyping of his son and a few select others. Yes, obnoxious. But, did he really get the most out of his relationships with Maddux and Ty? Denver...on much less than a full ride? That ain't the moon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They finally confirmed that the kid made a switch weeks after he did and was registered and uniformed at another club. Not condoning the email traffic, but that is the fact line and that was bad form. Not buying the I was too busy to return one of the repeated phone calls and emails bed time story. It was sleazy all around and the parents were equally at fault. If my son wanted to leave a lacrosse club, the immediate thing is to notice that club as a common courtesy, especially if the kid had been on non-paying scholarship and was given first dibs at showcase invites. My kid decides to leave an organization the next moment he would need to call and write a notice and give a thank you. I'd need to do that too. If a club lacrosse lunatic tried to engage a debate or sent one negative email, there would be no start of an email thread. Delete, permanent delete, done. This was a case of lacrosse ego divas gone wrong on both sides, and neither side looked rosy.

When we left Madlax I called and emailed the director. I explained why we were leaving and listened to all of the reasons he had for us to stay. My son wanted to stay, but, as the person paying the bills, I vetoed his wishes. There were several times in my communications with Cabell that I could have taken the bait and watched it turn into a deadspin type exchange. I resisted, which for me is not easy. In the end, I did what proved to be best for my son. Cabell was unhappy but not a monster.

He reached out to us a few months later to initiate a new round of discussions about coming back to the program. When we rebuffed the interest he went ballistic. Name calling and the like. Life goes on and it is what it is. My son is in a better place and I will not ever permit my younger boy to play for Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They finally confirmed that the kid made a switch weeks after he did and was registered and uniformed at another club. Not condoning the email traffic, but that is the fact line and that was bad form. Not buying the I was too busy to return one of the repeated phone calls and emails bed time story. It was sleazy all around and the parents were equally at fault. If my son wanted to leave a lacrosse club, the immediate thing is to notice that club as a common courtesy, especially if the kid had been on non-paying scholarship and was given first dibs at showcase invites. My kid decides to leave an organization the next moment he would need to call and write a notice and give a thank you. I'd need to do that too. If a club lacrosse lunatic tried to engage a debate or sent one negative email, there would be no start of an email thread. Delete, permanent delete, done. This was a case of lacrosse ego divas gone wrong on both sides, and neither side looked rosy.

When we left Madlax I called and emailed the director. I explained why we were leaving and listened to all of the reasons he had for us to stay. My son wanted to stay, but, as the person paying the bills, I vetoed his wishes. There were several times in my communications with Cabell that I could have taken the bait and watched it turn into a deadspin type exchange. I resisted, which for me is not easy. In the end, I did what proved to be best for my son. Cabell was unhappy but not a monster.

He reached out to us a few months later to initiate a new round of discussions about coming back to the program. When we rebuffed the interest he went ballistic. Name calling and the like. Life goes on and it is what it is. My son is in a better place and I will not ever permit my younger boy to play for Madlax.

As a Madlax parent I am sorry this is how he acted again. For all the good the program has done for my son, I hate to hear these stories. His passion is what helps push Madlax to where it is but it also pushes him to act like this. I hope he reads this and just acts like he should.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They finally confirmed that the kid made a switch weeks after he did and was registered and uniformed at another club. Not condoning the email traffic, but that is the fact line and that was bad form. Not buying the I was too busy to return one of the repeated phone calls and emails bed time story. It was sleazy all around and the parents were equally at fault. If my son wanted to leave a lacrosse club, the immediate thing is to notice that club as a common courtesy, especially if the kid had been on non-paying scholarship and was given first dibs at showcase invites. My kid decides to leave an organization the next moment he would need to call and write a notice and give a thank you. I'd need to do that too. If a club lacrosse lunatic tried to engage a debate or sent one negative email, there would be no start of an email thread. Delete, permanent delete, done. This was a case of lacrosse ego divas gone wrong on both sides, and neither side looked rosy.

When we left Madlax I called and emailed the director. I explained why we were leaving and listened to all of the reasons he had for us to stay. My son wanted to stay, but, as the person paying the bills, I vetoed his wishes. There were several times in my communications with Cabell that I could have taken the bait and watched it turn into a deadspin type exchange. I resisted, which for me is not easy. In the end, I did what proved to be best for my son. Cabell was unhappy but not a monster.

He reached out to us a few months later to initiate a new round of discussions about coming back to the program. When we rebuffed the interest he went ballistic. Name calling and the like. Life goes on and it is what it is. My son is in a better place and I will not ever permit my younger boy to play for Madlax.

As a Madlax parent I am sorry this is how he acted again. For all the good the program has done for my son, I hate to hear these stories. His passion is what helps push Madlax to where it is but it also pushes him to act like this. I hope he reads this and just acts like he should.

You sound like a nice person, but your rationale is off a bit. Plenty of people are passionate. Being passionate doesn't automatically give one the right to act vindictively and like a child. He has THREATENDED MANY people in the exact same manner when they chose to leave. This is not some isolated incident. He tells people he will ruin this chances of playing HS or college lacrosse. He tells kids his former teammates will be gunning for him on the field.

If you ask around, you'll learn that many of his top players have left for Blackwolf, Crabs and VLC once they hit HS. Why? Because families tire of his antics, tire of the exorbitant amount he charges and/or find that other clubs are better in terms of the experience and/or recruiting results.

There are a lot of good people/kids in the Madlax program. But you are unfortunately supporting someone who is not a nice person.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They finally confirmed that the kid made a switch weeks after he did and was registered and uniformed at another club. Not condoning the email traffic, but that is the fact line and that was bad form. Not buying the I was too busy to return one of the repeated phone calls and emails bed time story. It was sleazy all around and the parents were equally at fault. If my son wanted to leave a lacrosse club, the immediate thing is to notice that club as a common courtesy, especially if the kid had been on non-paying scholarship and was given first dibs at showcase invites. My kid decides to leave an organization the next moment he would need to call and write a notice and give a thank you. I'd need to do that too. If a club lacrosse lunatic tried to engage a debate or sent one negative email, there would be no start of an email thread. Delete, permanent delete, done. This was a case of lacrosse ego divas gone wrong on both sides, and neither side looked rosy.

When we left Madlax I called and emailed the director. I explained why we were leaving and listened to all of the reasons he had for us to stay. My son wanted to stay, but, as the person paying the bills, I vetoed his wishes. There were several times in my communications with Cabell that I could have taken the bait and watched it turn into a deadspin type exchange. I resisted, which for me is not easy. In the end, I did what proved to be best for my son. Cabell was unhappy but not a monster.

He reached out to us a few months later to initiate a new round of discussions about coming back to the program. When we rebuffed the interest he went ballistic. Name calling and the like. Life goes on and it is what it is. My son is in a better place and I will not ever permit my younger boy to play for Madlax.

As a Madlax parent I am sorry this is how he acted again. For all the good the program has done for my son, I hate to hear these stories. His passion is what helps push Madlax to where it is but it also pushes him to act like this. I hope he reads this and just acts like he should.

You sound like a nice person, but your rationale is off a bit. Plenty of people are passionate. Being passionate doesn't automatically give one the right to act vindictively and like a child. He has THREATENDED MANY people in the exact same manner when they chose to leave. This is not some isolated incident. He tells people he will ruin this chances of playing HS or college lacrosse. He tells kids his former teammates will be gunning for him on the field.

If you ask around, you'll learn that many of his top players have left for Blackwolf, Crabs and VLC once they hit HS. Why? Because families tire of his antics, tire of the exorbitant amount he charges and/or find that other clubs are better in terms of the experience and/or recruiting results.

There are a lot of good people/kids in the Madlax program. But you are unfortunately supporting someone who is not a nice person.

Well I agree he is not a nice person, I do not need a nice person in charge I just wish he would be smarter. When you state other options I laugh a little, Blackwolf is invite only so it only a option is they call you. Crabs are in Baltimore, And when you speak of VLC they have a long way to go with the younger teams coming up. If he could just get over this issue he has when a kid leaves. Madlax would be the clear cut best option for the most kids. Maybe he could take some of my monthly fee money and go sit on a couch and work this issue he has out. Is there a girl out there that left him and gave him this complex of people leaving him.

I don't understand the comment about Blackwolf.

Just found a Madlax tryout email in my Junk Mail folder. What a scam this is. He is now making kids try out who are locks to be on his A team, so that's more money in his pocket. It used to be that if you made his A team, you were in. More money for him now.

Then the poor kids destined for the B team will be split into 2 B teams. More money for him, worse experience for those kids.

Almost as bad as how he charges kids to call college coaches.

He isn't making anyone do anything they don't want to sign up for. The self loathing of typing in that credit or debit care number would be a delicious sight to see. I opened the email and then felt kind of dirty for doing so before deleting it. It was so wrong but...I....just...could...not...not read it. And this thread too. It's lik reality TV. Seriously, parents signing up for this knowing he is a sociopath is just too good to tune out from. Can we live mic this guy at tournaments? I would pay for that. A lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He isn't making anyone do anything they don't want to sign up for. The self loathing of typing in that credit or debit care number would be a delicious sight to see. I opened the email and then felt kind of dirty for doing so before deleting it. It was so wrong but...I....just...could...not...not read it. And this thread too. It's lik reality TV. Seriously, parents signing up for this knowing he is a sociopath is just too good to tune out from. Can we live mic this guy at tournaments? I would pay for that. A lot.

He is quite the show on the sidelines, sometimes I lost track of what I was doing, because I was watching Sideshow Bob on the other end just lose his mind because he didn't get a loose ball push call.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just found a Madlax tryout email in my Junk Mail folder. What a scam this is. He is now making kids try out who are locks to be on his A team, so that's more money in his pocket. It used to be that if you made his A team, you were in. More money for him now.

Then the poor kids destined for the B team will be split into 2 B teams. More money for him, worse experience for those kids.

Almost as bad as how he charges kids to call college coaches.

You crack me up when you call the Blue teams a B team you are correct they are a second team but they are a mid level to high level A team and the top teams are a top level AA team. You can call us crazy and you can call him crazy that is true but to imply that the Madlax teams are not good is just wrong. Just a FYI everyone knows the prices we pay and the owner is nuts. And us and others are still coming. People like to win and be on good teams. You get what you pay for.

You parents are getting too involved in this. Step back, find a good fit club team and let your kid have fun. Remember, in the end: 'after college', it's about the friends theymade ' not you' and getting a well paying job, so the kids can hopefully have their kids involved in lax.

I am a dad of 3 boys and 1 girl.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You parents are getting too involved in this. Step back, find a good fit club team and let your kid have fun. Remember, in the end: 'after college', it's about the friends theymade ' not you' and getting a well paying job, so the kids can hopefully have their kids involved in lax.

I am a dad of 3 boys and 1 girl.

True. My parents drove me there and back, cheered me on and took me and my mates for ice cream at Dairy Queen on the way home and that was about it. I thought about college when I was reminded to start thinking of a list spring of junior year from the school college guidance counselor along with everyone else in my class. Recruiting for my sport happened fall of senior year and there wasn't a point in trying to make that happen any sooner. I feel bad for these kids because of their parents. If you are heavily invested in your kid getting a college placement as a 8th to 10th grader, that is just sad and takes most of the joy out of it. I was on three ACC championship teams and made All-America, so it didn't go badly. I have no idea where those ACC plaques are but I do have the phone and other contact data for over 60 ex-college teammates who to this day are my best and most reliable friends. BTW those plaques don't help at job interviews or on grad school applications. Calm down and let your kids be kids, and if you aren't seeing your kids being kids having fun, intervene and do something about that. I don't care if my sons play college lacrosse or should you. If their lasting memory of a childhood game was winning a recruiting war and then sitting on a college bench for a few years or playing for a few years without having a lot of fun along the way, they will come to resent that and resent the people they blame for it which will start with you.

^^^^ this guy is smart. My kid was looking D2 and D3 then just told me he wants to go to a big school and get a good college education and maybe play club. I am cool with it because college is where you sew your oats. I have a buddy that played at Calvert Hall, and all the best clubs growing up. Played one year of D1 and hated it. Quite the team and play club rugby and chased girls. He said his dad burned him out on Lax. Don't be that dad or mom. Make sure your kid is into it. Sometimes driving an hour and a half one way to practice may be taking some of your kids childhood away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^^^ this guy is smart. My kid was looking D2 and D3 then just told me he wants to go to a big school and get a good college education and maybe play club. I am cool with it because college is where you sew your oats. I have a buddy that played at Calvert Hall, and all the best clubs growing up. Played one year of D1 and hated it. Quite the team and play club rugby and chased girls. He said his dad burned him out on Lax. Don't be that dad or mom. Make sure your kid is into it. Sometimes driving an hour and a half one way to practice may be taking some of your kids childhood away.

The thing is I agree the juice is not worth the squeeze when you look at the work vs award with youth travel lacrosse. But if the dream of college lacrosse keeps him focused on his grades and off the streets I am cool with it. If he gets good grades and gets into a great school because of Lacrosse and quits the first day of practice I say it was all worth it. he is now at a great school with a great work ethic. Its about learning to work for a top goal and doing what you need to do to get there. You can change the top goal at any time once you learn the blue print on how to get it done.

So long as it is his dream and you are being supportive that is great. The blue print doesn't include writing checks to a sociopath and rationalizing it as a decent means to and end. We can all be better than that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just found a Madlax tryout email in my Junk Mail folder. What a scam this is. He is now making kids try out who are locks to be on his A team, so that's more money in his pocket. It used to be that if you made his A team, you were in. More money for him now.

Then the poor kids destined for the B team will be split into 2 B teams. More money for him, worse experience for those kids.

Almost as bad as how he charges kids to call college coaches.

You crack me up when you call the Blue teams a B team you are correct they are a second team but they are a mid level to high level A team and the top teams are a top level AA team. You can call us crazy and you can call him crazy that is true but to imply that the Madlax teams are not good is just wrong. Just a FYI everyone knows the prices we pay and the owner is nuts. And us and others are still coming. People like to win and be on good teams. You get what you pay for.

Who cares whether it's referred to as a B team or a single A. Everyone knows what we're talking about. Madlax has this stupid thing where they now call their best team "AAA" despite nobody else in the country doing that. It's just marketing ploy.

The point is they are doing these separate MD and VA tryouts just to make more money. It really isn't going to affect their best teams at all, except that the kids already on those teams now have to pay a tryout fee - another extra cost. For the kids on their "AA" or B teams, they now are on teams that are more diluted.

Nobody said the Madlax teams aren't good. Madlax gets a lot of the best kids early and he locks them up with that stupid monthly fee. But kids peel off after a few years because the parents are fed up with his BS and there are better options for recruiting. Winning games for 5th graders is what Madlax does best. Many people realize later that's not the point of playing club lacrosse.

Look at what happens to Madlax

2016 - best player and FOGO both left for the Crabs
2017 - best defenseman went to VLC
2018 - best defefenseman went to BW, best FOGO went to BW, one of the best attack went to VLC and one of their best middies went to another club
2019 - best FOGO went to Blackwolf
2020 - best player went to Crabs

See a pattern?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So long as it is his dream and you are being supportive that is great. The blue print doesn't include writing checks to a sociopath and rationalizing it as a decent means to and end. We can all be better than that.

Really sociopath that is the word you are going to use. You lose creditability when you use words like that. Everyone reading this he is only crazy when you quit. And its just some nasty emails know this going into it. And its only if your son is going to get a D1 spot. So if you leave and he gets mad be happy your son is a stud. He knows the game I can testify to that. Yes he is loud on the sideline but every time I have heard him yell it was the correct thing he was saying. And 9 out of 10 coaching act like a fool on the sideline. That is just a fact.

Cabell Maddox is the most crass and classless sideline coach I have ever seen in youth sports, period. And I don't have a hearing problem. He is a sociopath. To reason that we could compartmentalize that behavior only in emails and only at "studs" who leave the program -- as opposed to losers who leave I suppose -- is really pretty disturbing to hear from any parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell Maddox is the most crass and classless sideline coach I have ever seen in youth sports, period. And I don't have a hearing problem. He is a sociopath. To reason that we could compartmentalize that behavior only in emails and only at "studs" who leave the program -- as opposed to losers who leave I suppose -- is really pretty disturbing to hear from any parent.

You must be the most soft man I have ever heard. What else hurts your feelings? Are you a kindergarten teacher?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell Maddox is the most crass and classless sideline coach I have ever seen in youth sports, period. And I don't have a hearing problem. He is a sociopath. To reason that we could compartmentalize that behavior only in emails and only at "studs" who leave the program -- as opposed to losers who leave I suppose -- is really pretty disturbing to hear from any parent.

Has anyone ever seen the Cavs 2019 head coach he is the biggest fool on the sidelines I have ever seen. And about the ones he does not get mad at when the leave, they are not losers they are just not D1 players. He knows what keeps people coming back and wanting to play for Madlax and thats D1 players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell Maddox is the most crass and classless sideline coach I have ever seen in youth sports, period. And I don't have a hearing problem. He is a sociopath. To reason that we could compartmentalize that behavior only in emails and only at "studs" who leave the program -- as opposed to losers who leave I suppose -- is really pretty disturbing to hear from any parent.

You must be the most soft man I have ever heard. What else hurts your feelings? Are you a kindergarten teacher?

I don't think he's saying his feelings are hurt. I think he's saying the leader of the organization to which you write all your checks and whose uniform your son wears is a complete a**clown.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell Maddox is the most crass and classless sideline coach I have ever seen in youth sports, period. And I don't have a hearing problem. He is a sociopath. To reason that we could compartmentalize that behavior only in emails and only at "studs" who leave the program -- as opposed to losers who leave I suppose -- is really pretty disturbing to hear from any parent.

You must be the most soft man I have ever heard. What else hurts your feelings? Are you a kindergarten teacher?

You sure sound like a pretty tough anonymous lacrosse dad. I'm retired, sold my business to TPG 6 years ago right after I turned 40. As irony would have it, yes I am currently working on getting a teachers certificate in Virginia and I do hope to get a chance to eventually teach math at a Fairfax County public school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell Maddox is the most crass and classless sideline coach I have ever seen in youth sports, period. And I don't have a hearing problem. He is a sociopath. To reason that we could compartmentalize that behavior only in emails and only at "studs" who leave the program -- as opposed to losers who leave I suppose -- is really pretty disturbing to hear from any parent.

You must be the most soft man I have ever heard. What else hurts your feelings? Are you a kindergarten teacher?

I don't think he's saying his feelings are hurt. I think he's saying the leader of the organization to which you write all your checks and whose uniform your son wears is a complete a**clown.

And I and most any Madlax parents knows he is and can be a hot head. We just know the clearly bad parts about him and the club are not greater then the many great to good parts the club gives them. I am on the inside the only bad part for anyone is when you leave the club to go play for a rival club. He acts like a big child and fool. But when you are playing for him and the club everything is great. So if you are leaving why would you care if he is mad at you. The other coaches in the program are all great. And the two kids who really run the place are and the teams are really good guys who hate when he acts like a fool. So that is why I call people babies who are scared he might yell at you in a email when you leave the club. As for him yelling at the kids on the sideline that is so over blown its crazy. He yells yes but is direct and has a good point when he yells at a kid. I have not one problem with how he handles the sidelines. He does not baby the star players like these other club coaches do. On the sideline during the game that is. He and Madlax are not for everyone but I cant let people just bad mouth him and the club for other reasons. Like I have said before there are things you can talk bad about but over blowing things is just girl stuff.

Not true at all. I don't know what team your kid is on but any "insider parent" knows you get abusive nasty emails if you don't do everything exactly the way Cabell Maddox wants you to. Also half the parents on my kids team are sick of the blatant favoritism shown to certain overrated kids with overblown egos and dads with cushy relationships. We lost a few great kids because of that bs.

That sounds like the same story you are going to hear at any club for any sport anywhere in the USA. Madlax has no dads as coaches. You might think a kid is better or worse then they think he is but how does it help them to play a worse kid over a better kid. They get more money and better kids when they win. So why would they do anything that would not help them win. You can disagree with what kid is better or not but I think they just disagree with your opinion.

Boom, that's another reason why madlax is works and will be strong. No daddy ball! Name a club that won a reputable tourney and I bet 100 bucks they was no dad as a coach

2020 crush. Spallina. Boom!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Boom, that's another reason why madlax is works and will be strong. No daddy ball! Name a club that won a reputable tourney and I bet 100 bucks they was no dad as a coach

I actually agree that offering non-Daddy ball is a real plus, but I'll take the bait:

FCA won the U.S. Lacrosse U15 national championship with a Dad coach. Team 91 won the World Series U13 championship with Dad coach. Now, one can criticize both teams (all star team; daddy ball) and tournaments (made up without best teams there, though that is also true of [lacrosse]'s whose U15 and U13 championships Madlax is deservedly proud - and now Madlax is doing it's own FL championships in late Dec.)

Listen, a great professional non-Dad coach is choice #1. Not every team has that option.

Not sure if this is the right forum but I am looking for feedback on the Blackwolf combines for U11 and U13 kids... They had a couple of dates in June - did anyone send their son and if so what did they think about it? Any thoughts welcome. I am trying to decide if it would make sense to send my son to the August combines. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That sounds like the same story you are going to hear at any club for any sport anywhere in the USA. Madlax has no dads as coaches. You might think a kid is better or worse then they think he is but how does it help them to play a worse kid over a better kid. They get more money and better kids when they win. So why would they do anything that would not help them win. You can disagree with what kid is better or not but I think they just disagree with your opinion.

That seems like a fair point. Having said that, everyone knows who the better players are, and when recruiting started last year, some of the better players (only some) got edged out and it was weird. They took the hint and left I guess.

Why should a father who is well qualified to coach be limited because his son is a good player. The whole thing seems silly to me, you want the best coach in place regardless of his off spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why should a father who is well qualified to coach be limited because his son is a good player. The whole thing seems silly to me, you want the best coach in place regardless of his off spring.

As a father of three and a coach of them all at times. When the S- - - hits the fan I am a Dad first and most fathers will tell you that also if they are being truthful. Yes it can work if the coaches son is a 100% stud. But if he is not the best by a long shot it is almost impossible to be done fairly. And when you have a dad coach he is also friends with the other parents witch causes him to keep a kid who should be cut or some form of this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure if this is the right forum but I am looking for feedback on the Blackwolf combines for U11 and U13 kids... They had a couple of dates in June - did anyone send their son and if so what did they think about it? Any thoughts welcome. I am trying to decide if it would make sense to send my son to the August combines. Thanks.

Well I would say if your son is a star on Madlax now Blackwolf is a smart thing to check out. Its the only club leaving Madlax for makes sense. But be ready for a bad email I hope you can handle the evil owner.

My son had a rec coach for 5 years who had a son on the team. It was never a problem and there was never any hint of favoritism toward his kid. So it can be done. it was a well-coached and very competitive team too, winning back-to-back championships.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That sounds like the same story you are going to hear at any club for any sport anywhere in the USA. Madlax has no dads as coaches. You might think a kid is better or worse then they think he is but how does it help them to play a worse kid over a better kid. They get more money and better kids when they win. So why would they do anything that would not help them win. You can disagree with what kid is better or not but I think they just disagree with your opinion.

That seems like a fair point. Having said that, everyone knows who the better players are, and when recruiting started last year, some of the better players (only some) got edged out and it was weird. They took the hint and left I guess.

So I am guessing you are 2019 or older. If you are 2019 they have 2 kids already going D1 and the 2018 team has 5 or 6 I have to recount. Coaches are still coaches and they have players and styles of play they like more then others. I know with 2019 one of the kids is a private school kid and the other is public. And if you look at the Private schools the kids go to they seem to be from all of the ones in the area.
The only way to know if you are correct is if the kids who left go play for and get full rides and the ones that are still at Madlax do not. The best way to look at it is to take the best 5 players in the country any year at any position and the top 10 teams in college will have them ranked in 10 different orders. So the Madlax coaches will be the same. I have been watching the top teams within Madlax and the other top teams for years. And the players are always so close in skill level its nuts. But what you have to understand is the college coaches want body types and speed levels. So if a kid has a weaker left hand but runs a 4.2 40 yard dash. He might be playing more then your slow highly skilled son. Madlax has to look long picture also. They have to think like a college coach. Same thing goes for your high skill son of two 5 foot tall parents. You can not have it both ways Madlax is about winning and having the best players. They will use this rule to break all ties when it comes to playing time and cuts. They cut kids from all the top Private schools all the time. And I know they cut kids who have parents that could buy Madlax twice and not even blink.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son had a rec coach for 5 years who had a son on the team. It was never a problem and there was never any hint of favoritism toward his kid. So it can be done. it was a well-coached and very competitive team too, winning back-to-back championships.

Ok but no matter what its not a good look for anyone coming in to the program from the outside. Even if it works you will never know how many kids never came because they new there was a Dad coaching. And perception is reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure if this is the right forum but I am looking for feedback on the Blackwolf combines for U11 and U13 kids... They had a couple of dates in June - did anyone send their son and if so what did they think about it? Any thoughts welcome. I am trying to decide if it would make sense to send my son to the August combines. Thanks.

Well I would say if your son is a star on Madlax now Blackwolf is a smart thing to check out. Its the only club leaving Madlax for makes sense. But be ready for a bad email I hope you can handle the evil owner.

My son is not on Madlax. He is 9 and although he is pretty fast and skilled, I am wondering if he is too small/young for the combine which is for U11 and 113 kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That sounds like the same story you are going to hear at any club for any sport anywhere in the USA. Madlax has no dads as coaches. You might think a kid is better or worse then they think he is but how does it help them to play a worse kid over a better kid. They get more money and better kids when they win. So why would they do anything that would not help them win. You can disagree with what kid is better or not but I think they just disagree with your opinion.

That seems like a fair point. Having said that, everyone knows who the better players are, and when recruiting started last year, some of the better players (only some) got edged out and it was weird. They took the hint and left I guess.

So I am guessing you are 2019 or older. If you are 2019 they have 2 kids already going D1 and the 2018 team has 5 or 6 I have to recount. Coaches are still coaches and they have players and styles of play they like more then others. I know with 2019 one of the kids is a private school kid and the other is public. And if you look at the Private schools the kids go to they seem to be from all of the ones in the area.
The only way to know if you are correct is if the kids who left go play for and get full rides and the ones that are still at Madlax do not. The best way to look at it is to take the best 5 players in the country any year at any position and the top 10 teams in college will have them ranked in 10 different orders. So the Madlax coaches will be the same. I have been watching the top teams within Madlax and the other top teams for years. And the players are always so close in skill level its nuts. But what you have to understand is the college coaches want body types and speed levels. So if a kid has a weaker left hand but runs a 4.2 40 yard dash. He might be playing more then your slow highly skilled son. Madlax has to look long picture also. They have to think like a college coach. Same thing goes for your high skill son of two 5 foot tall parents. You can not have it both ways Madlax is about winning and having the best players. They will use this rule to break all ties when it comes to playing time and cuts. They cut kids from all the top Private schools all the time. And I know they cut kids who have parents that could buy Madlax twice and not even blink.

I think two of the kids that left have committed to D1 schools so they were legit. players. The madlax team is stacked with talent and so it was probably best for those kids to go somewhere else to be seen and recruited.

FCA was a made up team of all commits. Coach had no bearing. Best teams would be at these tournaments if the players were the proper age. Usually not the case. That's why these all star teams get made!
A non parent coach will fulfill their obligation to get paid. A parent coach will give you more of an effort and do their best to put own kid in a good spot. If you get a dedicated, capable, qualified parent coach, you are in best scenario.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure if this is the right forum but I am looking for feedback on the Blackwolf combines for U11 and U13 kids... They had a couple of dates in June - did anyone send their son and if so what did they think about it? Any thoughts welcome. I am trying to decide if it would make sense to send my son to the August combines. Thanks.

Well I would say if your son is a star on Madlax now Blackwolf is a smart thing to check out. Its the only club leaving Madlax for makes sense. But be ready for a bad email I hope you can handle the evil owner.

It depends on the particular grade. Madlax gets the kids at a younger age and they hold the families hostage with that credit card system, so their youth teams are usually better than everyone. But it evens out in HS where kids are looking for the best situation for themselves. In HS, both Blackwolf and VLC have been the better HS club in recent years.

Madlax also has a lot of turnover among their coaches, several of whom have been kicked out of tournaments for lunatic behavior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell Maddox is the most crass and classless sideline coach I have ever seen in youth sports, period. And I don't have a hearing problem. He is a sociopath. To reason that we could compartmentalize that behavior only in emails and only at "studs" who leave the program -- as opposed to losers who leave I suppose -- is really pretty disturbing to hear from any parent.

You must be the most soft man I have ever heard. What else hurts your feelings? Are you a kindergarten teacher?

I don't think he's saying his feelings are hurt. I think he's saying the leader of the organization to which you write all your checks and whose uniform your son wears is a complete a**clown.

And I and most any Madlax parents knows he is and can be a hot head. We just know the clearly bad parts about him and the club are not greater then the many great to good parts the club gives them. I am on the inside the only bad part for anyone is when you leave the club to go play for a rival club. He acts like a big child and fool. But when you are playing for him and the club everything is great. So if you are leaving why would you care if he is mad at you. The other coaches in the program are all great. And the two kids who really run the place are and the teams are really good guys who hate when he acts like a fool. So that is why I call people babies who are scared he might yell at you in a email when you leave the club. As for him yelling at the kids on the sideline that is so over blown its crazy. He yells yes but is direct and has a good point when he yells at a kid. I have not one problem with how he handles the sidelines. He does not baby the star players like these other club coaches do. On the sideline during the game that is. He and Madlax are not for everyone but I cant let people just bad mouth him and the club for other reasons. Like I have said before there are things you can talk bad about but over blowing things is just girl stuff.

I have to call a little BS on this. My son played for ML for years, and not all of his coaches were good. Cabell is a pretty good sideline coach, and my son liked playing for him. But when Cabell changed to coach another age group there was a big drop off in coaching. The new coach had clear favorites and would become belligerent if the kids did not run the play he called (odd, since improvising is a part of lax IQ).

Cabell cares only about his club. If the interests of the club overlap with the interests of your child, he is a friend and all are happy. If those interests diverge, he finds it ridiculous that you would choose your child's bests interests over his club, and he becomes a vindictive SOB in response. As to why should you care when you are leaving; simple, he goes out of his way to trash you, and nobody deserves that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And I and most any Madlax parents knows he is and can be a hot head. We just know the clearly bad parts about him and the club are not greater then the many great to good parts the club gives them. I am on the inside the only bad part for anyone is when you leave the club to go play for a rival club. He acts like a big child and fool. But when you are playing for him and the club everything is great. So if you are leaving why would you care if he is mad at you. The other coaches in the program are all great. And the two kids who really run the place are and the teams are really good guys who hate when he acts like a fool. So that is why I call people babies who are scared he might yell at you in a email when you leave the club. As for him yelling at the kids on the sideline that is so over blown its crazy. He yells yes but is direct and has a good point when he yells at a kid. I have not one problem with how he handles the sidelines. He does not baby the star players like these other club coaches do. On the sideline during the game that is. He and Madlax are not for everyone but I cant let people just bad mouth him and the club for other reasons. Like I have said before there are things you can talk bad about but over blowing things is just girl stuff.

1. How are you on the "inside"? Please explain

2. Several of the coaches are terrible and have been kicked out of games for their behavior

3. You are basically saying it's ok if he threatens people who leave as long as it's not you. That may be excusable in your house, but not in mine. There are other clubs that are better or as good when it comes to teaching kids lacrosse or getting them into college programs than Madlax, so we were happy to leave Madlax next year. Talking to some other dads, there are several from his former team who are going to do the same thing this fall.

4. You say other clubs "baby" their star players. Please tell us which clubs and which players are being babied.

5. If Madlax works for you, that's fine. But people are allowed to share their negative experiences with that guy and that club. People have a right to call him out for his behavior. People are allowed to talk about how he gouges people for money and goes after their credit card if they decide to leave.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why should a father who is well qualified to coach be limited because his son is a good player. The whole thing seems silly to me, you want the best coach in place regardless of his off spring.

As a father of three and a coach of them all at times. When the S- - - hits the fan I am a Dad first and most fathers will tell you that also if they are being truthful. Yes it can work if the coaches son is a 100% stud. But if he is not the best by a long shot it is almost impossible to be done fairly. And when you have a dad coach he is also friends with the other parents witch causes him to keep a kid who should be cut or some form of this.

What you describe is not a qualified coach, I said qualified coach.

Well said --I think that sums it up nicely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well said --I think that sums it up nicely.

I'm not sure what was summed up, other than that the father of three shouldn't have been given a whistle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell cares only about his club. If the interests of the club overlap with the interests of your child, he is a friend and all are happy. If those interests diverge, he finds it ridiculous that you would choose your child's bests interests over his club, and he becomes a vindictive SOB in response. As to why should you care when you are leaving; simple, he goes out of his way to trash you, and nobody deserves that.

Well said - I think that sums it up nicely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well said --I think that sums it up nicely.

I'm not sure what was summed up, other than that the father of three shouldn't have been given a whistle.

So lets list things that happen when a Dad is the coach or lest say things that will never happen.
1. The Dad/coaches kid never will be cut no matter if he is the 24th best player on the team.
2. The Dads kid will never be forgotten in a close game and get no playing time.
3. The Dads kid will be given way to much freedom to be a fool, or will be called out unfairly to make a point to the other players and the kid will hate playing.
4. The Dads kid will have private information about his teammates because he will over hear or read something.
This is just 4 examples I thought of in 3 mins. I am sure there is more. And if you go back and read what I said I said a great Coach/Dad will always revert back to Dad when the S*** hits the fan. Like when its time to cut or not cut his kid. Or when his kid is fighting with a teammate. Or when the game is in overtime and he needs to put his sons butt on the line to make a play. His judgement will always be clouded by one of th players being his son. And if you are parent you should be able to understand that. Also I stated that if the coaches kid is a stud the Dad can be the coach more successfully. But if the kid is avg. to not good. It is nearly impossible to be pulled off well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well said --I think that sums it up nicely.

I'm not sure what was summed up, other than that the father of three shouldn't have been given a whistle.

So lets list things that happen when a Dad is the coach or lest say things that will never happen.
1. The Dad/coaches kid never will be cut no matter if he is the 24th best player on the team.
2. The Dads kid will never be forgotten in a close game and get no playing time.
3. The Dads kid will be given way to much freedom to be a fool, or will be called out unfairly to make a point to the other players and the kid will hate playing.
4. The Dads kid will have private information about his teammates because he will over hear or read something.
This is just 4 examples I thought of in 3 mins. I am sure there is more. And if you go back and read what I said I said a great Coach/Dad will always revert back to Dad when the S*** hits the fan. Like when its time to cut or not cut his kid. Or when his kid is fighting with a teammate. Or when the game is in overtime and he needs to put his sons butt on the line to make a play. His judgement will always be clouded by one of th players being his son. And if you are parent you should be able to understand that. Also I stated that if the coaches kid is a stud the Dad can be the coach more successfully. But if the kid is avg. to not good. It is nearly impossible to be pulled off well.

Once again, I said qualified coach and you keep describing someone who is not a qualified coach. A qualified coach is among other things, a person who puts the well being of the team ahead of any single team member including his child. The person you keep describing is not what I am talking about. There is a difference between daddy ball and having father's coach. I have benched my sons when others were better than them and yes I have cut my son, it was a quiet drive home, but it was the right thing to do. In your words that makes me a bad Dad, but I think just the opposite, showing him that he had to earn his spot and role was a lesson that a father had to teach his son. As I said it can be done if the coach is qualified.

^^^

I'm a volunteer Dad coach and think all the above criticisms are fair. And, yes, it helps when your son is an unselfish stud, but doesn't help when he rolls his eyes now and then at the HC (like any son would). I've seen teams ruined - I mean good teams ruined - by daddyball.

I'd love to hand the keys to my team over to a professional coach. In the meanwhile, it's not much fun being a Dad coach when you have to cut a neighbor's kid after tryouts or when your team lays an egg on the field (and you wonder what the heck would a 'real' coach have done to avoid that). Obviously, the fun part is working hard to put your players through good drills at practice and watching your team improve on the field and bond together happily.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well said --I think that sums it up nicely.

I'm not sure what was summed up, other than that the father of three shouldn't have been given a whistle.

So lets list things that happen when a Dad is the coach or lest say things that will never happen.
1. The Dad/coaches kid never will be cut no matter if he is the 24th best player on the team.
2. The Dads kid will never be forgotten in a close game and get no playing time.
3. The Dads kid will be given way to much freedom to be a fool, or will be called out unfairly to make a point to the other players and the kid will hate playing.
4. The Dads kid will have private information about his teammates because he will over hear or read something.
This is just 4 examples I thought of in 3 mins. I am sure there is more. And if you go back and read what I said I said a great Coach/Dad will always revert back to Dad when the S*** hits the fan. Like when its time to cut or not cut his kid. Or when his kid is fighting with a teammate. Or when the game is in overtime and he needs to put his sons butt on the line to make a play. His judgement will always be clouded by one of th players being his son. And if you are parent you should be able to understand that. Also I stated that if the coaches kid is a stud the Dad can be the coach more successfully. But if the kid is avg. to not good. It is nearly impossible to be pulled off well.

you've detailed some of the reasons being a parent coach is so difficult. Kudos to the many that do it well and for the betterment of all kids on their teams. I would add to the list the sideline parents who are only interested in the success & playing time of their own kid. And who over value their own kids skill. This sport is really expensive. Every team or program can;t afford to pay for professional coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well said --I think that sums it up nicely.

I'm not sure what was summed up, other than that the father of three shouldn't have been given a whistle.

So lets list things that happen when a Dad is the coach or lest say things that will never happen.
1. The Dad/coaches kid never will be cut no matter if he is the 24th best player on the team.
2. The Dads kid will never be forgotten in a close game and get no playing time.
3. The Dads kid will be given way to much freedom to be a fool, or will be called out unfairly to make a point to the other players and the kid will hate playing.
4. The Dads kid will have private information about his teammates because he will over hear or read something.
This is just 4 examples I thought of in 3 mins. I am sure there is more. And if you go back and read what I said I said a great Coach/Dad will always revert back to Dad when the S*** hits the fan. Like when its time to cut or not cut his kid. Or when his kid is fighting with a teammate. Or when the game is in overtime and he needs to put his sons butt on the line to make a play. His judgement will always be clouded by one of th players being his son. And if you are parent you should be able to understand that. Also I stated that if the coaches kid is a stud the Dad can be the coach more successfully. But if the kid is avg. to not good. It is nearly impossible to be pulled off well.

you've detailed some of the reasons being a parent coach is so difficult. Kudos to the many that do it well and for the betterment of all kids on their teams. I would add to the list the sideline parents who are only interested in the success & playing time of their own kid. And who over value their own kids skill. This sport is really expensive. Every team or program can;t afford to pay for professional coaching.

Well I understand 100% with the money part. But when someone stats how much more money Madlax is to play for it needs to be pointed out that the paid coaches is what most of the extra goes to.

Madlax is a for profit company. The extra charges do not go into their coaches' pockets. Take a guess where the extra goes.

The extra money at madlax goes to more practices, more tourneys, etc. It is a good organization with a good product. It is much more expensive than any other club I know of, but it delivers across the board if your rec situation is unacceptable for whatever reason. The drawback is the end game of being in that organization and the fact that if there is a problem, then things can get pretty darn uncomfortable pretty darn fast. There is no other club in nova that delivers a stand alone lax club. The others are all designed to be coupled with playing rec. For youth, VLC is the only one that even comes close in nova, but it's just a different product at the youth level...not a full service program. Madlax seems to have an issue at the HS level and therein lies the rub for many. VLC and Blackwolf are generally superior programs at the HS level. It will be interesting in the coming years with Blackwolf entering the youth market and madlax trying to create a Md version of themselves. 2019 and 2020 year groups could be the canary in the coal mine for one of these clubs. Maddox is a sharp business guy, Trig is a smart guy and a lax guru, and VLC is well run with Crab connections and always seems to get things together consistently. The next year or two will be interesting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is a for profit company. The extra charges do not go into their coaches' pockets. Take a guess where the extra goes.

The coaches get paid what a public high school coach makes per season. If not more. And the 2 guys under the Owner get paid a salary around what a teacher makes. As for a owner taking profits that is what owners do. And like what has been stated before when things are for profit you know the motivation is always winning and having better players. Which is better then always thinking this guy is friends with this guy and this school and that club and any of the other issues you worry about when its all for "the Good of Kids".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The extra money at madlax goes to more practices, more tourneys, etc. It is a good organization with a good product. It is much more expensive than any other club I know of, but it delivers across the board if your rec situation is unacceptable for whatever reason. The drawback is the end game of being in that organization and the fact that if there is a problem, then things can get pretty darn uncomfortable pretty darn fast. There is no other club in nova that delivers a stand alone lax club. The others are all designed to be coupled with playing rec. For youth, VLC is the only one that even comes close in nova, but it's just a different product at the youth level...not a full service program. Madlax seems to have an issue at the HS level and therein lies the rub for many. VLC and Blackwolf are generally superior programs at the HS level. It will be interesting in the coming years with Blackwolf entering the youth market and madlax trying to create a Md version of themselves. 2019 and 2020 year groups could be the canary in the coal mine for one of these clubs. Maddox is a sharp business guy, Trig is a smart guy and a lax guru, and VLC is well run with Crab connections and always seems to get things together consistently. The next year or two will be interesting.

I agree with this post 100%. And these 3 clubs are the top 3 in the Nova area. The talent level in Nova is at a point now that if the best 60 players at each grad year play for these 3 top teams every kid will be find and have a shot at there top goals of college ball. So my advise is try to play for any of these 3, any other option in the NOVA is more for fun /something to do.

We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies

I really would not argue with that but what if you are the 26 best player in the state. I think you want a good team to play for. I think good players will be found by the right people as long as they are in the right places. These 3 clubs put the kids in the correct places. You can argue witch one does the best. But you can not assume its best for all top 60 to be on Madlax. If you are 2nd best Goalie in the state and the best plays for Madlax. Common sense says you should play for Blackworlf or VLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies

I really would not argue with that but what if you are the 26 best player in the state. I think you want a good team to play for. I think good players will be found by the right people as long as they are in the right places. These 3 clubs put the kids in the correct places. You can argue witch one does the best. But you can not assume its best for all top 60 to be on Madlax. If you are 2nd best Goalie in the state and the best plays for Madlax. Common sense says you should play for Blackworlf or VLC.

In most cases, the 2nd best goalie in the state would still play a half of a game regardless of what club he plays for

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies

I really would not argue with that but what if you are the 26 best player in the state. I think you want a good team to play for. I think good players will be found by the right people as long as they are in the right places. These 3 clubs put the kids in the correct places. You can argue witch one does the best. But you can not assume its best for all top 60 to be on Madlax. If you are 2nd best Goalie in the state and the best plays for Madlax. Common sense says you should play for Blackworlf or VLC.

In most cases, the 2nd best goalie in the state would still play a half of a game regardless of what club he plays for

How would that be the best option for a goalie the is half the playing time. And i am sure if its a championship game he will sit the complete game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies

Your son plays for Madlax. We get it.

You keep saying the same things but they're not true. Both BW and VLC have great HS teams and actually have more college commits.

There's no reason to keep belittling and making things up about other clubs just to boost your opinion of Madlax.

Is it OK for my kid to play for a lesser club team and just have fun? (commenter ducks for cover under the desk as all the parents of these MLL stars are ready to give me advise or demean my sons, LOL)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies

I really would not argue with that but what if you are the 26 best player in the state. I think you want a good team to play for. I think good players will be found by the right people as long as they are in the right places. These 3 clubs put the kids in the correct places. You can argue witch one does the best. But you can not assume its best for all top 60 to be on Madlax. If you are 2nd best Goalie in the state and the best plays for Madlax. Common sense says you should play for Blackworlf or VLC.

In most cases, the 2nd best goalie in the state would still play a half of a game regardless of what club he plays for

How would that be the best option for a goalie the is half the playing time. And i am sure if its a championship game he will sit the complete game.

Basically every summer tournament game I've ever seen in the past ten years splits time between two goalies. He's probably gonna split somewhere, you are right a very few teams might sit a goalie in a championship game, but if you have the 2 best goalies in the state I seriously doubt a coach would do that. The 1st, 2nd or 46th best goalie in the state should choose a program that will give him individual goalie work during practice and during skill sessions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies

Your son plays for Madlax. We get it.

You keep saying the same things but they're not true. Both BW and VLC have great HS teams and actually have more college commits.

There's no reason to keep belittling and making things up about other clubs just to boost your opinion of Madlax.

Well feel free to list them because this information is public so it should be able to be posted on this site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it OK for my kid to play for a lesser club team and just have fun? (commenter ducks for cover under the desk as all the parents of these MLL stars are ready to give me advise or demean my sons, LOL)

No on said its bad to play for a lesser club for fun. But if your son is in the top 60 players for the NOVA area its not really helping him to be the best he can be. And the funny thing is people always assume that the kids have no fun on the top teams. Why is this, kids have fun being with kids no mater how many games they play or where they play. And winning games is always more fun.

I don't understand how you can say VLC & Blackwolf HS teams are better than Madlax. Don't know a lot about the Blackwolf 2016 - 19 teams but do know that the Maclax 2016 team beat them at the UA shootout this summer. As for the. VLC HS teams, I do know a little about those teams since I have several friends that have a son who played or are currently playing for either VLC 2016, 2017& 2018, 2016 & 18 are weak for a AA team - no doubt about it. 2017 lost a couple of studs but are still pretty good. However, I don't believe they could beat the Madlax 2017 team which won the IL recruiting tourney this summer.

What does the statement about Blackwolf being a 'partial approach' mean?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand how you can say VLC & Blackwolf HS teams are better than Madlax. Don't know a lot about the Blackwolf 2016 - 19 teams but do know that the Maclax 2016 team beat them at the UA shootout this summer. As for the. VLC HS teams, I do know a little about those teams since I have several friends that have a son who played or are currently playing for either VLC 2016, 2017& 2018, 2016 & 18 are weak for a AA team - no doubt about it. 2017 lost a couple of studs but are still pretty good. However, I don't believe they could beat the Madlax 2017 team which won the IL recruiting tourney this summer.

VLC and Blackwolf historically have had more D1 commits....obviously the landscape is changing with madlax 2019. At VLC and Blackwolf, the priority has been for HS and not youth. This is changing as well. Things will be interesting for the 2019/2020 kids and beyond because of the changing landscape.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does the statement about Blackwolf being a 'partial approach' mean?

Well BlackWolf takes kids from other clubs who are all ready being recruited hard. And gives them a option of less tournaments and more practice. Witch is fine for kids in this senerio. But if you are still working to be seen its not a good option.

VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

Blackwolf should not be in the conversation either. There is only a conversation because it is tryout time and Trig needs players after nearly shutting it down last year. That's right, after the Saint Stephens fiasco, he almost moved to Texas. Caveat Emptor

He comes on boards and bashes Madlax every year at this time. Equally pathetic and tiring.

Try something positive or move to Texas.

Is it really about winning on club teams? I'm wondering what the end game is if it is not about getting into a quality college program. I think there is plenty of quality lax in HS if it's just about playing and having fun. I don't see the role of a club if it is not for getting a D1 opportunity. Some clubs are about your kid improving to be able to make HS varsity....like cavs, freedom, 3D. Some are about getting into a D1 program like MADLAX, VLC, and Blackwolf. All 3 do that well....VLC and Blackwolf traditionally exceptionally well, but madlax getting 2 2019's this early is clearly a game changer. I think madlax does REALLY well at the youth levels and develops talent but has historically not done well with D1 commits for whatever reason....Maddux maybe? I think if folks on here are picking a club based on the team's record, you might be missing the bigger picture. Your loyalty should be to your son and not necessarily your club. Things change quickly here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

VLC 2019's won NPYLL Championship this past spring

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

VLC 2019's won NPYLL Championship this past spring

Exactly....in the B division. Go look at who they played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

VLC 2019's won NPYLL Championship this past spring

Exactly....in the B division. Go look at who they played.

This is a fact. And they played in summer tournaments in the middle div. when they play up like at young guns they lost by double digits to the other top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it really about winning on club teams? I'm wondering what the end game is if it is not about getting into a quality college program. I think there is plenty of quality lax in HS if it's just about playing and having fun. I don't see the role of a club if it is not for getting a D1 opportunity. Some clubs are about your kid improving to be able to make HS varsity....like cavs, freedom, 3D. Some are about getting into a D1 program like MADLAX, VLC, and Blackwolf. All 3 do that well....VLC and Blackwolf traditionally exceptionally well, but madlax getting 2 2019's this early is clearly a game changer. I think madlax does REALLY well at the youth levels and develops talent but has historically not done well with D1 commits for whatever reason....Maddux maybe? I think if folks on here are picking a club based on the team's record, you might be missing the bigger picture. Your loyalty should be to your son and not necessarily your club. Things change quickly here.

Well I can not think of the exact year but one of the really good VLC teams I think 2016 or 2017 is full of kids who left Madlax after the big email Maddux fight?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

VLC 2019's won NPYLL Championship this past spring

Exactly....in the B division. Go look at who they played.

That was my point, unfotunately it's hard to read sarcasm through the computer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

VLC 2019's won NPYLL Championship this past spring

HAHAHAHAHA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

Blackwolf should not be in the conversation either. There is only a conversation because it is tryout time and Trig needs players after nearly shutting it down last year. That's right, after the Saint Stephens fiasco, he almost moved to Texas. Caveat Emptor

He comes on boards and bashes Madlax every year at this time. Equally pathetic and tiring.

Try something positive or move to Texas.

What is the Saint Stephens fiasco?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

VLC 2019's won NPYLL Championship this past spring

Exactly....in the B division. Go look at who they played.

This is a fact. And they played in summer tournaments in the middle div. when they play up like at young guns they lost by double digits to the other top teams.

Not exactly....they played single A in NPYLL and won the "championship"....nothing to brag about, but then won the Richmond summer rumble tourney (only one division but not an elite tourney) and also won the MD invitational/Greene Turtle (not an elite tourney either) playing AA. Younggunz did not go well...this is a legit tourney though. This was an 8th grade team so not quite HS.....of course VLC does not place much priority on youth. No one in nova competes with madlax at the youth level. Madlax's HS and D1 commit success (or lack thereof) does not match up to their youth program though....big drop off for whatever reason. VLC and BW are "in the conversation" for D1 placement....they have blown madlax away in this category. Not sure where the priority is for some folks here, but a lot of kids play club for D1 potential.

Madlax 2016-2019 has 21 commits (not including Partner programs). VLC has 18 commits. Seems you misinformed.

I see you conveniently left out 2015....probably bc VLC would have blown them away. I think you are right though....the tide appears to be turning in favor of madlax in recent years.

I only included the current high school teams, obviously the 2015 team doesn't exist anymore, but for kicks-and-giggles let's take a wider sample size - from 2012 to present, madlax with 79 d1 commits, vlc with 49. I think it is safe to say that, when it comes to getting kids committed to D1 programs, the Madlax HS program is equally as good as VLC and Blackwolf, if not better. Not trying to get into a virtual pissing match, just wanted to refute an inaccurate statement posted by the previous poster.

Your stats are skewed. Ridiculous to go that far back because VLC wasn't fielding full teams back then. Also, if you are going to include commits from other areas owned by Madlax, then you should include the Baltimore Crabs with VLC's stats.

The fact is BW and VLC have been putting together much better HS teams than Madlax for years. The 2018 Madlax is a good one, though they are starting to see defections of key players.

Madlax is a bigger program, but not a better one. Not surprisingly that so many families leave Madlax during the HS years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

Blackwolf should not be in the conversation either. There is only a conversation because it is tryout time and Trig needs players after nearly shutting it down last year. That's right, after the Saint Stephens fiasco, he almost moved to Texas. Caveat Emptor

He comes on boards and bashes Madlax every year at this time. Equally pathetic and tiring.

Try something positive or move to Texas.

Trig was looking to expand to Texas, not leave DC. The fact is almost every BW team is better than Madlax's. 2016, 2017, etc.

The first post didn't go that far back and yet still Madlax had more commits. Stop making excuses. There is no argument.

BW and VLC have more D1 commits. That's why kids leave Madlax when they hit HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BW and VLC have more D1 commits. That's why kids leave Madlax when they hit HS.

You keep saying that, even when confronted by evidence to the contrary. VLC has nowhere near the current commits of Madlax and the gap is growing. Blackwolf took down its commits list because it is so weak. Why lie? What is your motivation?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2018 Madlax is a good one, though they are starting to see defections of key players.

I assume you are talking about 2018 Orange - to my knowledge there has only been one player leave (yes, a very good player) but who has been in and out a previous time, and another player who's primary sport is football and who has never completely committed himself to lacrosse (although he would likely be a great lacrosse player if he committed more time to the sport). I wouldn't consider that the "start of defection of key players..." This team which is preparing to enter their 2nd year in HS continues to do very well in every tourney they play with 2 legit wins this summer - Big4 Invitational and IL Invitational. With so many more teams popping up it is harder for teams to keep their full roster of kids together year over year as some kids may want to see more playing time and see another team as an opportunity to do that. I think each club - Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf have their pros and cons and kids and families may need to try out different programs to find the right fit. Madlax 2018 has never played Blackwolf but would be interesting to see that matchup.

Madlax 2018 has lost four very good players and a few more are apparently going to leave.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2018 has lost four very good players and a few more are apparently going to leave.

Poster answered this question. Are you talking about the Blue team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

Blackwolf should not be in the conversation either. There is only a conversation because it is tryout time and Trig needs players after nearly shutting it down last year. That's right, after the Saint Stephens fiasco, he almost moved to Texas. Caveat Emptor

He comes on boards and bashes Madlax every year at this time. Equally pathetic and tiring.

Try something positive or move to Texas.

What is the Saint Stephens fiasco?

What are you talking about?

Why do kids leave madlax at such a critical time in the recruiting process?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do kids leave madlax at such a critical time in the recruiting process?

Most kids leave Madlax because they are already talking to a college coach or coaches. So they can leave Madlax and play for a Blackwolf and play less tournaments. They do not need to do 5 to 8 tournaments Plus showcases when you are on the radar of a great program. Madlax has a harder/more games schedule compared to the other two. So if you want to be seen or need to be seen you need Madlax. Or the other main reason is you are now playing for a top Private school and you want to play where you coach wants you to play or with players from the same School. Also there is the third reason you are the 7th Middie , the 4 or 5th Attackman, 2nd Goalie or 3rd Fogo. These last examples I think are the real reason most leave. Even though the people leaving would never want people to know this was the real reason they left. Also Madlax will make your kid change positions if they feel its best for the team or him. Tons of kids get moved to LSM or Pole. and this does not always sit well with teenage boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has a harder/more games schedule compared to the other two. So if you want to be seen or need to be seen you need Madlax.

Yeah, tons of Madlax kids are seen by top D1 coaches at those Madlax tournaments in Poolesville, MD.

Tons.

Madlax makes you play in 5-6 tournaments which is ridiculous. You only need to play in 2-3 good ones plus whatever individual showcase you're targeting. It's all about charging the customer more for less.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do kids leave madlax at such a critical time in the recruiting process?

Most kids leave Madlax because they are already talking to a college coach or coaches. So they can leave Madlax and play for a Blackwolf and play less tournaments. They do not need to do 5 to 8 tournaments Plus showcases when you are on the radar of a great program. Madlax has a harder/more games schedule compared to the other two. So if you want to be seen or need to be seen you need Madlax. Or the other main reason is you are now playing for a top Private school and you want to play where you coach wants you to play or with players from the same School. Also there is the third reason you are the 7th Middie , the 4 or 5th Attackman, 2nd Goalie or 3rd Fogo. These last examples I think are the real reason most leave. Even though the people leaving would never want people to know this was the real reason they left. Also Madlax will make your kid change positions if they feel its best for the team or him. Tons of kids get moved to LSM or Pole. and this does not always sit well with teenage boys.

I agree, particularly the 3rd reason. Little Johnny is always the best player on the team in his parent's eyes and it is the coach that can't recognize it. Again, in the parent's eyes and most have never played the game.

why doesn't Blackwolf post the coaches' resumes? They are easy to find on the Madlax website

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has a harder/more games schedule compared to the other two. So if you want to be seen or need to be seen you need Madlax.

Yeah, tons of Madlax kids are seen by top D1 coaches at those Madlax tournaments in Poolesville, MD.

Tons.

Madlax makes you play in 5-6 tournaments which is ridiculous. You only need to play in 2-3 good ones plus whatever individual showcase you're targeting. It's all about charging the customer more for less.

Trig, you really need to spend a little $$ on marketing. Or trying winning a tournament. Stop blindly bashing and sell something.

You know that Madlax plays the hardest schedule of any top 10 club in the country, including Baltimore Crabs, Duke/HHH and Team 91, and plays in front of dozens of college coaches game after game. Tournament after tournament is top competition, attracting coaches to come to them. BS to suggest anything else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has a harder/more games schedule compared to the other two. So if you want to be seen or need to be seen you need Madlax.

Yeah, tons of Madlax kids are seen by top D1 coaches at those Madlax tournaments in Poolesville, MD.

Tons.

Madlax makes you play in 5-6 tournaments which is ridiculous. You only need to play in 2-3 good ones plus whatever individual showcase you're targeting. It's all about charging the customer more for less.

The funny thing is none of the high school orange teams play in the tournament in Poolsville MD. I think 2019 Orange is the oldest team to play. So your Joke is off but good try. The argument about how many tournaments you play in, is a personal one. If you started lacrosse in 6th or 7th grade you might need to get in more games to get you Lax IQ up. Like I said before if you are a lacrosse lifer and have contact with a top college program you are correct you can do 2-3 and a showcase. So once again Nova needs 3 top teams and these 3 are what we got so compare all you like but saying any of the three are bad or no good is just wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do kids leave madlax at such a critical time in the recruiting process?

I think the other poster about the 2018 seeing the beginning of a defection is clearly uninformed. Maybe he is referring to the FOGO that is reclassing to 2019 or perhaps the d-pole that is out for several months with an ACL tear or another middie that is out with a foot injury. He's either referring to the Blue team or doesn't have all of the facts...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has a harder/more games schedule compared to the other two. So if you want to be seen or need to be seen you need Madlax.

Yeah, tons of Madlax kids are seen by top D1 coaches at those Madlax tournaments in Poolesville, MD.

Tons.

Madlax makes you play in 5-6 tournaments which is ridiculous. You only need to play in 2-3 good ones plus whatever individual showcase you're targeting. It's all about charging the customer more for less.

Looking at the 2018 Orange schedule on the Madlax website, they played in the Platinum Cup, Big4 Invitational, Crab Feast, UA Shootout, with the National Team (majority 2018 Orange Capital players) participating in the IL Invitational. That's a pretty solid lineup of events regardless of the number

Or sometimes the kid is a good on age player, but the kid(s) in front are holdbacks and more advanced at this time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do kids leave madlax at such a critical time in the recruiting process?

Most kids leave Madlax because they are already talking to a college coach or coaches. So they can leave Madlax and play for a Blackwolf and play less tournaments. They do not need to do 5 to 8 tournaments Plus showcases when you are on the radar of a great program. Madlax has a harder/more games schedule compared to the other two. So if you want to be seen or need to be seen you need Madlax. Or the other main reason is you are now playing for a top Private school and you want to play where you coach wants you to play or with players from the same School. Also there is the third reason you are the 7th Middie , the 4 or 5th Attackman, 2nd Goalie or 3rd Fogo. These last examples I think are the real reason most leave. Even though the people leaving would never want people to know this was the real reason they left. Also Madlax will make your kid change positions if they feel its best for the team or him. Tons of kids get moved to LSM or Pole. and this does not always sit well with teenage boys.

I agree, particularly the 3rd reason. Little Johnny is always the best player on the team in his parent's eyes and it is the coach that can't recognize it. Again, in the parent's eyes and most have never played the game.

That lineup is fine, although UA Shootout has lost a lot of luster and the IL Invitational isn't the strongest field.

Bigger issue is that no HS kid needs to play in 5-6 tournaments a summer. 2-3 is more than enough. It also conflicts with the individual events these kids are attending as well.

Scheduling 5-6 tournament is bad enough But making them pay for all of them even if they can't attend them all? Wow.

BW has a much better model. It is about the kids first.

Trig is anything but all about the kids first. BW and VLC are all about selling future bench players to colleges. Name one Blackwolf or VLC kid on a college roster at a ACC, B1G, Ivy or Patriot League team who made all conference this year. This is a pattern. All those fabulous D1 commits from BW and VLC did nothing when they went to college but collect splinters in their arses. Nothing.

That will change next year when Jack Rowlett gets to UNC. But that is one. Just one.

Trig and Bullet need better comedy material than all those commits named. Doesn't mean a thing if you don't see the field in college.

6 Blackwolf alumni were in the national championship game

Do madlax kids really do 5+ tournaments every summer?

6 BW alumni watched the national championship game from the sidelines without needing to buy a ticket. That is exactly the point. BW and VLC have had recent success placing players to programs where they never see the field.

Name one player who made all conference. Just one. Try to name a starter too. You're reaching and misrepresenting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do madlax kids really do 5+ tournaments every summer?

Its 4 a summer for sure, Then if you are National team you get a 5th. Then you throw in the showcases that will get you to 6 to 8 a summer. As for any schedule Madlax puts everything they do online on the website for anyone to read. Which is a good and bad thing. These other clubs do not even posts there rosters like its a good thing for people to not know who is on there teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trig is anything but all about the kids first. BW and VLC are all about selling future bench players to colleges. Name one Blackwolf or VLC kid on a college roster at a ACC, B1G, Ivy or Patriot League team who made all conference this year. This is a pattern. All those fabulous D1 commits from BW and VLC did nothing when they went to college but collect splinters in their arses. Nothing.

That will change next year when Jack Rowlett gets to UNC. But that is one. Just one.

Trig and Bullet need better comedy material than all those commits named. Doesn't mean a thing if you don't see the field in college.

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Why all of the discussion about Blackwolf on a Madlax thread? Blackwolf is on life support like Trig's coaching career after Saint Stephens. What tournaments has Blackwolf won? What have they done but be a cheaper, less intense alternative for already recruited Madlax and Crabs kids? Let's start a Blackwolf thread so Trig can post for the crickets...

I think I'm starting to see why people leave madlax....6-8 tourney events is insane. I'm appalled at how douchy some of the parents are. I would imagine 6-8 weekends of that every summer would drive anyone away. It's a shame bc the kids are losing out. Maryland has such good options for lacrosse. Nova just sucks until high school. It is what it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think I'm starting to see why people leave madlax....6-8 tourney events is insane. I'm appalled at how douchy some of the parents are. I would imagine 6-8 weekends of that every summer would drive anyone away. It's a shame bc the kids are losing out. Maryland has such good options for lacrosse. Nova just sucks until high school. It is what it is.

Its only Four tournaments for all the young age kids. And the high school kids can take tournaments off you just have to pay for all of them in one flat overall fee. People with Lacrosse money really do not care about the cost. And it just kills me when people talk about cost of things. 80% of Madlax kids go to Private Schools that cost 20K a year on avg. No kid has a gun to his head to make every tournament. And everywhere else in the world people like options. Also if you read the text on the website for the new MD and VA teams it looks like they might be moving to a more flexible schedule. Because with three teams at each age, you could let kids pick and choice more and only field two teams not 3 on a weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think I'm starting to see why people leave madlax....6-8 tourney events is insane. I'm appalled at how douchy some of the parents are. I would imagine 6-8 weekends of that every summer would drive anyone away. It's a shame bc the kids are losing out. Maryland has such good options for lacrosse. Nova just sucks until high school. It is what it is.

You are appalled at how Douchy the parents are. You are on a crazy youth Lacrosse website gossiping about Kids just like everyone else on here. So as a basic rule of thumb if you are posting and reading this site you are Douchy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think I'm starting to see why people leave madlax....6-8 tourney events is insane. I'm appalled at how douchy some of the parents are. I would imagine 6-8 weekends of that every summer would drive anyone away. It's a shame bc the kids are losing out. Maryland has such good options for lacrosse. Nova just sucks until high school. It is what it is.

You are appalled at how Douchy the parents are. You are on a crazy youth Lacrosse website gossiping about Kids just like everyone else on here. So as a basic rule of thumb if you are posting and reading this site you are Douchy.

HEY!!! Watch that!!!

Wish I won the sperm lottery.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And the high school kids can take tournaments off you just have to pay for all of them in one flat overall fee.

Awesome. I'd be psyched to pay for tournaments that we cannot attend. What a bargain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People with Lacrosse money really do not care about the cost.

I, and many people, do care about the cost of lacrosse. You are a [lacrosse].

In a non-profit model, at least, a flat fee is administratively easier, incentives folks to prioritize tournaments and lowers the average cost per tournament per attendee.

Can we talk about how Madlax has a 2020 kid playing on their 2020 Orange team? Or a 2017 kid who has played the entire year on their 2018 team despite being a public school 2017 kid?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

6 BW alumni watched the national championship game from the sidelines without needing to buy a ticket. That is exactly the point. BW and VLC have had recent success placing players to programs where they never see the field.

Name one player who made all conference. Just one. Try to name a starter too. You're reaching and misrepresenting.

Wow, whoever wrote this has some serious issues. Are you really trying to cheapen the lacrosse experience of 6 young men that played in a NCAA championship game to promote the fact your youth club is the best in the world?

Step back and relax.

These kids could care less about the clubs they play(ed) for, all of them helped them reach their potential (NCAA championship, college club lax, or not playing at all). Good for all the kids that play college lacrosse, and don't lesson their experience because you want to brag about how well your youth club is.

Parents, your sons are all great kids. No one cares where they play travel lacrosse, if it's good for you, to each his own.

The Madlax dads on this thread are nuts. If lacrosse aids in getting one son into the college and obtaining the education they so desire, that's a win. Playing time is a bonus. The point of getting into a school is to obtain a great education.

Get a grip. No wonder some of you look the other way whenever the Madlax owner threatens someone.

Any idea how Madlax will determine which tournaments the "AA" Va and Md teams play and which the "AAA" Capital All-Stars play?

I would look at the spring and summer tournaments that for the Capital and National teams this year. I would expect the VA / MD teams to play primarily in the MADLAX run tournaments plus a few others like Hershey. I would expect the Capital team to play in some of the middle to high level tournaments with a bit overlap on both sides.

The other factor is how strong the teams are. He protects his reputation as much as possible and avoids getting creamed. Please note that he cleaned house with one age group between the spring and summer rosters.

What age group?

It doesn't matter if what you call it. These new "MD" and "VA" teams are going to be lesser than the "Capital" team. Every club has an A team for each grade (or whatever they call it), and any other team in that grade are kids who couldn't make the top team. Doesn't matter if you call them a B team or "Single A" - we all know what it means.

It is pretty rare for any kid to have a good experience on a B team. If a kid just wants to have fun and get more reps, then a B team could be fine. Otherwise, a B team gets no publicity recruiting wise, plays lesser opponents in lesser tournaments, etc.

It's one thing for a kid who tries out for Madlax not sure if he can make their top team. But if he doesn't, he should definitely try to find another club whose A team he can play on. I know one kid who played for Madlax Blue all the way until he finally made their Orange team (partly because a lot of the Orange kids had left for other clubs). The parents regretted it because he didn't get any exposure his freshman and sophomore years playing for Madlax Blue. By the time he made Orange, it was too late.

Hard to tell whether separate lesser teams or more similar to a national team. Sounds like a kid can play both for the Virginia "AA" team and Madlax-Capital. I guess we'll see soon, in terms who the kids practice with.

In any event, it shouldn't be all about ER. It should be about developing into a great HS player who helps his varsity team advance through the playoffs. In Virginia, only about 5 kids per year commit to a top 10 program not named UVA.

Was a kid that doesn't go from Blue to Orange until after sophomore year really likely to have gotten an offer just because he played for Orange for those two prior years? What other youth program in NoVa is a better alternative for a kid who can make the Virginia team but not the Capital team? 3d@Leesburg? Reverse commute to Cville? Drive to Bethesda? Live in Old Town so you can take your kid to Annapolis via I-95? I get that once you are a stud 9th grader you can probably find a travel team that gives you better exposure for the buck, whether Blackwolf or Duke's, etc., but who do you play for until then.

It's inevitable that another youth program will start up in NoVa and have a legit A-AA program, but where is it? Most mid-level Maryland programs usually have at least one year/team that is AA (eg, Diamondbacks 2022's), but I can't find another NoVa youth program that even fields a single A team/year, much less a AA team.

Has anyone else seen that they are starting a Madlax Georgia. this Sept? It says it will be based out of Atlanta. I guess the next question is how many partner programs is to many? This will only take National team spots away from the local Capital teams. This could be looked at as good or bad? But overall I think they have done a good job so far of still picking the best players for the National teams. They are all still Capital heavy if you read the rosters. Talking to the parents of kids on the National teams they still feel some of the kids from the other programs are not as good as some of the local kids not on the National team. But I am assuming if the head of a Partner program is fighting for a kid they have to put him on the team. Wonder how the other Madlax parents feel about these questions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone else seen that they are starting a Madlax Georgia. this Sept? It says it will be based out of Atlanta. I guess the next question is how many partner programs is to many? This will only take National team spots away from the local Capital teams. This could be looked at as good or bad? But overall I think they have done a good job so far of still picking the best players for the National teams. They are all still Capital heavy if you read the rosters. Talking to the parents of kids on the National teams they still feel some of the kids from the other programs are not as good as some of the local kids not on the National team. But I am assuming if the head of a Partner program is fighting for a kid they have to put him on the team. Wonder how the other Madlax parents feel about these questions.

The more the merrier! It makes any spot more valuable, including the one my son has earned. I agree with the sentiment that Capital team is stronger than National Team. All players are good, but in many cases local team has developed chemistry missing from National Team.

More money for Madlax's bank account.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More money for Madlax's bank account.

Yes little Johnny you are correct, that is how business works. Madlax makes money and if they want to keep making money they will keep winning and giving a good product.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More money for Madlax's bank account.

Man that Wegmans down the street keeps giving everything people are looking for and need. But I hate them they are making a profit how dare they. The point being Madlax is not hiding behind a Non-profit label like some of these other clubs. Its a free market system and this is why they stay at or near the top. They other clubs go up and down based on the age and who is active for that age group. When a dads kid leaves the program goes away or down with it.

There is nothing wrong with Madlax being a for-profit company (although a non-profit has its interests more aligned with its families).

People can like it or leave it when it comes to Madlax' tactics for squeezing them for monthly fees, etc. It seems that more and more families are choosing to leave it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is nothing wrong with Madlax being a for-profit company (although a non-profit has its interests more aligned with its families).

People can like it or leave it when it comes to Madlax' tactics for squeezing them for monthly fees, etc. It seems that more and more families are choosing to leave it.

Ok guy who keeps saying this. Please Please show me with real numbers how much cheaper VLC,Blackwolf and any other club are compared to Madlax. All of Madlaxs fees and costs are on the website. Once again nothing is hidden. But these other clubs never put what you get in total and how much you are going to pay for it. Please Please Please show me with numbers and actives for the other top clubs in the NOVA area. I am going to say Madlax is only $1000 or less for 12 months of lacrosse games tournaments and all compared to these other local clubs. I just read the Cavs site and they are charging $495 for the fall season. and they are playing in 2 tournaments. And I did not see if they are playing in a fall league? Madlax is charging $290 for fall league (Next Level) and the tournaments last year cost us $450 for 3 tournaments. The fall tournament schedule is not on the website yet.

If you think Madlax only costs $1000 per year, I have a bridge to sell you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think Madlax only costs $1000 per year, I have a bridge to sell you.

I forgot to say $1000 more. Not total. I know its more then the others teams but no one will ever man up and put down real numbers on cost for the other clubs. Because the totals will be a lot closer and I am betting a lot closer then every one like to just blankly say. So to clear it up I want to say I am betting when everything is all written down Madlax cost will be $1000 more or less then the other local clubs. So come on why is it so hard for a Blackwolf or VLC dad to write down what they pay.

We left Madlax partly because of the high cost and partly because we felt another club was better for our son's recruiting.

Here are the Madlax costs for a MS kid.

Fall 2014. I don't remember exactly but I think it was $700 for the tournaments.
Spring 2015. $580
Summer 2015. $1500

Annualized Madlax Academy fee. $900

So is $3680 for an entire year (not including winter, which not everyone does)

I'm not going to say where my child plays now, but the cost for this clus is nowhere near $2680, let alone $3680.

I don't think there is any club in this year that costs $2500 to play year round lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We left Madlax partly because of the high cost and partly because we felt another club was better for our son's recruiting.

Here are the Madlax costs for a MS kid.

Fall 2014. I don't remember exactly but I think it was $700 for the tournaments.
Spring 2015. $580
Summer 2015. $1500

Annualized Madlax Academy fee. $900

So is $3680 for an entire year (not including winter, which not everyone does)

I'm not going to say where my child plays now, but the cost for this clus is nowhere near $2680, let alone $3680.

I don't think there is any club in this year that costs $2500 to play year round lacrosse.

Thanks for the cost breakdown. What is the cost where you play now and what seasons/tournaments are included? You do not have to name the club, but it would nice to match apples to apples for what you are getting for your money.

3d is about 3600 a year all inclusive. So that's about the same expensive # as Madlax.

Breakers HS Team was $2,500 last season for two Fall tournaments and five Summer tournaments, practice uniform, game uniform and shooting shirt. Helmet and additional apparel items, ie. sweats, shirts and hats were additional costs.

The costs for my son's MS team over the last 12 months were a little over $1,000, not including gear.

Covered 7 tournaments (so 35-40 games), 4 scrimmages, boot camp with visiting coaches and about 40 practices. Saw Madlax play a few times but never played them. We had similar records against common opponents but I thought Madlax looked better.

I'd probably be willing to pay more for more, but my son's improving, most goals are assisted so the goals are spread around, and he's having fun.

VLC is $1750 for the year
5-6 Sunday fall practices & 2 tourneys
Spring NPYLL league with Saturday practices
3 summer tourneys with 5-6 practices

$3500 for a year of lacrosse is insane. Cost for Baltimore Crabs is about the same as VLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

$3500 for a year of lacrosse is insane. Cost for Baltimore Crabs is about the same as VLC.

So if you add in the extra summer tournament Madlax plays four in the Summer and 3 or 4 in the fall. I am correct they cost a little less then 1000$ more then the other teams. So yes no matter how you look at it Madlax is not a crazy amount over the rest. And if you throw in the extra games it's about even. Take the 900 out they pay the coaches with and its the same for sure.

Your math is wrong. Even if Madlax plays in more tournaments (which is a waste because no kid needs to play in 5-6 team touranments), the cost is still much higher for Madlax, especially when you factor in that ridiculous monthly or quarterly "Academy" fee. Madlax is more than twice the cost of the Baltimore Crabs, and the Crabs is a much better club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your math is wrong. Even if Madlax plays in more tournaments (which is a waste because no kid needs to play in 5-6 team touranments), the cost is still much higher for Madlax, especially when you factor in that ridiculous monthly or quarterly "Academy" fee. Madlax is more than twice the cost of the Baltimore Crabs, and the Crabs is a much better club.

Crabs you could say are better but much better is up in the air. Also the key word here is Baltimore not NOVA or DC. So you might want to add gas into the price for someone who lives in NOVA. I would also like to see the Crabs prices written down somewhere. I am guessing it cost people more then $1700. I am not saying what the correct amount of tournaments are. But if you are playing in more of anything its going to cost more money. Madlax parents do wish the club cost us less money overall but after reading all the data that just came in Madlax is not that over priced. And most of the time people are willing to pay 30% more because they are so mad about something with the club they left.

The one thing I will say about Madlax and Crabs is that they seem to have multiple practices per week, particularly in the spring for youth teams. I am not sure that is true for other clubs.

A bit of a clarifier on 3d; the teams don't practice on weekdays in fall. 3-4 training sessions of 3 hours in fall, then 3 fall events. In winter there is a box league that for 3d kids is a nominal uniform fee only and was about $60 for yet more apparel. The box league is very decent and about a dozen games. Not sure about youth, but the HS teams do 6-8 practices and 5 events. Some events are considered 2 if you go to Uplax for 3 days or Baltimore Kickoff for 2 days. To me it seems like one weekend, but the tournaments charge for each session so it is paying twice. That's all of it. I think juniors include a spring league but not sure. It is on the expensive side for sure. Not a Madlax parent, but in fairness the high price buys a lot of lacrosse if they are practicing multiple times a week, and doing 5-6 events in summer. The events are really expensive. It may be priced fair considering $1750 for a few practices and 2 fall then 3 Summer events also sounds expensive for what it is. My one criticism is no kid needs to be doing 5 or more summer club events, especially in high school. I'd much rather see it curbed to 3 and cost $800-$1000 less. There's also a bit of a moral hazard when the extra events are to stuff more teams into events owned by 3d or Madlax since both organizations also do events.

Team 91 MD 2020 is $2195 for the year. For that you get:

Once a week fall practices
2-3 fall tournaments
Winter indoor box training (with provided box helmet) and games
2x weekly spring practices
2 spring leagues
2 spring tournaments
2x weekly summer practices
4 summer tournaments
CPX-R helmet
Brine or warrior head
Brine or warrior gloves
Shooting shirt
Uniforms

But Madlax gives you the Case thing. Totally justifies paying $3600.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC is $1750 for the year
5-6 Sunday fall practices & 2 tourneys
Spring NPYLL league with Saturday practices
3 summer tourneys with 5-6 practices

That is a bargain, because VLC wins championships.

Madlax focuses on winning youth tournament trophies. Crabs, BW, VLC and other clubs focus on getting their kids to college programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax focuses on winning youth tournament trophies. Crabs, BW, VLC and other clubs focus on getting their kids to college programs.

VLC seemed pretty focused on winning that trophy last spring

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But Madlax gives you the Case thing. Totally justifies paying $3600.

Where is the blowhard that was challenging everyone to post their costs, because he had some point to make. If your son is getting the most from his program and is benefitting, why do you care what other clubs are doing or other parents are paying.

How about from now on, when you want to bad mouth a program you start by saying where you played D1 lacrosse or how many kids you have coached and mentored to play D1. Then you can criticize all of the other programs and call them crazy. No matter what, all of the NoVa programs are improving and giving kids opportunities to peruse their dreams. No one has cornered the market on how to best do it for every kid.

Different products and many options....madlax and 3D on the high $/ full service side and VLC/BW on the lower cost/less events side. Maybe too many options for club in nova sometimes.....clubs come and go every couple years. Freedom just folded and VLC is one who is benefitting and getting strong again...excellent turnout at tryouts. Hopefully the strong programs will get stronger and we can get some consistency here.

Not sure where the outrage is rooted. At Madlax and 3d you'll play in a lot more events. Events are now $200-$300 per player per day now. So a two day is in the $400-$600 range. If a club is doing 5-6 events in summer instead of 3 and is doing 3 in fall instead of 2, and both include a winter box league that costs a walk up kid $250 for a season -- why exactly is everyone stuck on the elementary school math? Madlax and 3d cost $1000-$1500 more for those reasons.

I get it that clubs like Blackwolf and VLC run less and play less lacrosse. Makes sense to me there is a demand for that if those two have decent instruction and teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But Madlax gives you the Case thing. Totally justifies paying $3600.

Where is the blowhard that was challenging everyone to post their costs, because he had some point to make. If your son is getting the most from his program and is benefitting, why do you care what other clubs are doing or other parents are paying.

How about from now on, when you want to bad mouth a program you start by saying where you played D1 lacrosse or how many kids you have coached and mentored to play D1. Then you can criticize all of the other programs and call them crazy. No matter what, all of the NoVa programs are improving and giving kids opportunities to peruse their dreams. No one has cornered the market on how to best do it for every kid.

I am guessing I am the Blow Hard you are talking about. And I am also guessing that 100s of people will read these last couple of post and be informed about the cost of all the NOVA clubs. So with this information a parent thinking about starting this crazy club/travel thing now has some information to start with. I asked nicely for people to post the cost but it took me calling people names to get them to do the math and write it all down. But can we all agree that Madlax is not overpriced to the extent as the bitter dads on the sidelines like to say. And the crazy thing is would anyone like to talk about the level of play on the Madlax team compared to the 3D teams. And as we see hear the price is pretty much the same. And we can agree that VLC and Blackwolf play less lacrosse for the money you pay. Witch is fine but you can not say how much cheaper something is unless its the same amount of the thing you are comparing. I can get one Coke for $1.25 and you can get a case of Coke for $4.50. Which one is a better deal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But Madlax gives you the Case thing. Totally justifies paying $3600.

Where is the blowhard that was challenging everyone to post their costs, because he had some point to make. If your son is getting the most from his program and is benefitting, why do you care what other clubs are doing or other parents are paying.

How about from now on, when you want to bad mouth a program you start by saying where you played D1 lacrosse or how many kids you have coached and mentored to play D1. Then you can criticize all of the other programs and call them crazy. No matter what, all of the NoVa programs are improving and giving kids opportunities to peruse their dreams. No one has cornered the market on how to best do it for every kid.

Well sir I played a D1 sport that you can not buy a spot like you can in lacrosse. My sport was only played in the fall and with your high school. I had to compete with the poor hungry kids to play my D1 sport. This lacrosse world is about paying your way into a great player. There is no way a poor kid no matter how skilled they are can compete with the private school kids deep pockets. I want there to be more then one great club in NOVA I think the area can field 3 great AA teams at each age group. But for this to happen there needs to be 3 top teams not 7.

The "blowhard" actually makes a couple good points, but sounds more like a HS player who doesn't actually pay for any of this. Madlax is much higher quality than 3D no question. The cost point is valid in that the quality and value is there....however if I just want one coke, it would be wasteful to pay for the whole case and get all these cokes at a value.....especially if I have to travel and pay for hotels and stuff in order to drink them.

The following poster makes a good point too....lax is still at the point where $ buys your way up the ladder. There is little financial incentive to pursue this game and that's where it needs to change in order to get to the level other sports are at....I think it will happen as the sport grows more nationwide. I'm not sure
why kids pursue the lesser clubs but they do....would definitely the legit clubs help if the fly by night start ups would go away and stop trickling talent away.

I think travel clubs should (and mine does) comp everything for "scholarship" kids. Quite apart from fees, there's plenty of equipment around and pretty easy to get free hotel rooms when you are booking a block. And I've never had a camp or MLL star decline to let a kid participate for free.

Growing the sport in poorer neighborhoods,however, is a big challenge and clubs should be the leaders in that effort.

It does seem like $ and connections win the ER game. Hopefully programs will still have spots for poorer and less connected/showcased players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The "blowhard" actually makes a couple good points, but sounds more like a HS player who doesn't actually pay for any of this. Madlax is much higher quality than 3D no question. The cost point is valid in that the quality and value is there....however if I just want one coke, it would be wasteful to pay for the whole case and get all these cokes at a value.....especially if I have to travel and pay for hotels and stuff in order to drink them.

The following poster makes a good point too....lax is still at the point where $ buys your way up the ladder. There is little financial incentive to pursue this game and that's where it needs to change in order to get to the level other sports are at....I think it will happen as the sport grows more nationwide. I'm not sure
why kids pursue the lesser clubs but they do....would definitely the legit clubs help if the fly by night start ups would go away and stop trickling talent away.

Well I am not in high school just a guy who got lucky at work. I am not the most educated person around that is why I liked my son playing Lacrosse its a whole different world compared to a Football locker room. Lacrosse kids make fun of the kid with bad grades and tell him he needs to acted right. Football and Basketball and even Baseball dugouts in high school are not this way.

[quote=Anonymous]I think travel clubs should (and mine does) comp everything for "scholarship" kids. Quite apart from fees, there's plenty of equipment around and pretty easy to get free hotel rooms when you are booking a block. And I've never had a camp or MLL star decline to let a kid participate for free.

Growing the sport in poorer neighborhoods,however, is a big challenge and clubs should be the leaders in that effort.

It does seem like $ and connections win the ER game. Hopefully programs will still have spots for poorer and less connected/showcased players.

Once again why would you not name the club if they are doing a good thing and giving poor kids a shot at this great game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers HS Team was $2,500 last season for two Fall tournaments and five Summer tournaments, practice uniform, game uniform and shooting shirt. Helmet and additional apparel items, ie. sweats, shirts and hats were additional costs.

Maybe that's why everyone left and there were 10 kids total at tryouts for the 2021/2022 teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I think travel clubs should (and mine does) comp everything for "scholarship" kids. Quite apart from fees, there's plenty of equipment around and pretty easy to get free hotel rooms when you are booking a block. And I've never had a camp or MLL star decline to let a kid participate for free.

Growing the sport in poorer neighborhoods,however, is a big challenge and clubs should be the leaders in that effort.

It does seem like $ and connections win the ER game. Hopefully programs will still have spots for poorer and less connected/showcased players.

Once again why would you not name the club if they are doing a good thing and giving poor kids a shot at this great game?

I think his point is that all clubs provide "Scholarships" to players they want that may not be able to afford the high prices. I have boys and girls and all of their clubs do the same.

Speaking of tryouts who was at the Madlax Maryland tryouts this weekend and what did the numbers look like?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The "blowhard" actually makes a couple good points, but sounds more like a HS player who doesn't actually pay for any of this. Madlax is much higher quality than 3D no question. The cost point is valid in that the quality and value is there....however if I just want one coke, it would be wasteful to pay for the whole case and get all these cokes at a value.....especially if I have to travel and pay for hotels and stuff in order to drink them.

The following poster makes a good point too....lax is still at the point where $ buys your way up the ladder. There is little financial incentive to pursue this game and that's where it needs to change in order to get to the level other sports are at....I think it will happen as the sport grows more nationwide. I'm not sure
why kids pursue the lesser clubs but they do....would definitely the legit clubs help if the fly by night start ups would go away and stop trickling talent away.

I have to disagree with 3d being a lesser quality club. My son has played for both clubs, and when it comes to quality of coaching, recruiting advocacy, and opportunities to play on a real national team (not a modified version of the capital team), 3d wins hands down. Furthermore, there are opportunities to play with other 3d teams, several of which can easily hang with (if not beat) the best madlax teams. Madlax plays better tournaments and in general has more depth.

Well I am not in high school just a guy who got lucky at work. I am not the most educated person around that is why I liked my son playing Lacrosse its a whole different world compared to a Football locker room. Lacrosse kids make fun of the kid with bad grades and tell him he needs to acted right. Football and Basketball and even Baseball dugouts in high school are not this way. [/quote]
You are an idiot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The "blowhard" actually makes a couple good points, but sounds more like a HS player who doesn't actually pay for any of this. Madlax is much higher quality than 3D no question. The cost point is valid in that the quality and value is there....however if I just want one coke, it would be wasteful to pay for the whole case and get all these cokes at a value.....especially if I have to travel and pay for hotels and stuff in order to drink them.

The following poster makes a good point too....lax is still at the point where $ buys your way up the ladder. There is little financial incentive to pursue this game and that's where it needs to change in order to get to the level other sports are at....I think it will happen as the sport grows more nationwide. I'm not sure
why kids pursue the lesser clubs but they do....would definitely the legit clubs help if the fly by night start ups would go away and stop trickling talent away.

I have to disagree with 3d being a lesser quality club. My son has played for both clubs, and when it comes to quality of coaching, recruiting advocacy, and opportunities to play on a real national team (not a modified version of the capital team), 3d wins hands down. Furthermore, there are opportunities to play with other 3d teams, several of which can easily hang with (if not beat) the best madlax teams. Madlax plays better tournaments and in general has more depth.

Ok this is going to be fun can you point out a time in the last 12 months that a local 3D team has beaten a Madlax Orange team. And can you tell me how many local 3D players have played on the National 3D team? I am sure you have some players but 3D is a distant 4th place in the NOVA rankings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I am not in high school just a guy who got lucky at work. I am not the most educated person around that is why I liked my son playing Lacrosse its a whole different world compared to a Football locker room. Lacrosse kids make fun of the kid with bad grades and tell him he needs to acted right. Football and Basketball and even Baseball dugouts in high school are not this way.

You are an idiot [/quote]
Please inform me how this statement makes me a idiot. If its my spelling I can agree. But if you are questioning my opinion about the positive peer pressures that happen on a lacrosse team I do not get how this makes me a idiot?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But Madlax gives you the Case thing. Totally justifies paying $3600.

Where is the blowhard that was challenging everyone to post their costs, because he had some point to make. If your son is getting the most from his program and is benefitting, why do you care what other clubs are doing or other parents are paying.

How about from now on, when you want to bad mouth a program you start by saying where you played D1 lacrosse or how many kids you have coached and mentored to play D1. Then you can criticize all of the other programs and call them crazy. No matter what, all of the NoVa programs are improving and giving kids opportunities to peruse their dreams. No one has cornered the market on how to best do it for every kid.

Why does someone had to have played D1 to have an opinion about youth lacrosse, is the D1 trained mind better that than D2 or D3, what if you went to an NAIA school or played for an MCLA school, what if you never went to college, but played club ball your whole life. What qualities does one have to actually possess to make them an expert on deciding the best way for kids to "peruse their dreams"

Madlax does have some very elite teams, but I agree with the prior poster. 3d is just a different model. Our kid plays for 3d, but only in summer. It is no big deal to just pay $1000 for a few things in summer and not the full freight year round more expensive option. I doubt a lot of clubs would give us that same flexibility. It's a lot less alienating to be with a program that isn't cajoling us to do club lacrosse 7-9 months a year. I feel a little wiser now that I have had one kid go all the way through who is in college now and have younger kids still doing club lacrosse. I won't get in arguments over who has the best teams, but can say 3d runs a good program and you won't be hearing any nightmare stories about kids or families being personally attacked by the club owner or coaches over email or over voice. I read these stories and just cringe. It is not worth having kids in an environment where that happens even if the lacrosse is good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you won't be hearing any nightmare stories about kids or families being personally attacked by the club owner or coaches over email or over voice. I read these stories and just cringe. It is not worth having kids in an environment where that happens even if the lacrosse is good.

Agreed. Even if the lacrosse is the most superior in the area, there's no reason to compromise one's morals to play for a club that advocates that.

And for the record, there is only one club in question that stoops to that behavior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I am not in high school just a guy who got lucky at work. I am not the most educated person around that is why I liked my son playing Lacrosse its a whole different world compared to a Football locker room. Lacrosse kids make fun of the kid with bad grades and tell him he needs to acted right. Football and Basketball and even Baseball dugouts in high school are not this way.

You are an idiot

Please inform me how this statement makes me a idiot. If its my spelling I can agree. But if you are questioning my opinion about the positive peer pressures that happen on a lacrosse team I do not get how this makes me a idiot? [/quote]

The statement makes you an idiot because you think this only happens in a lacrosse locker room.

I think a lot of the posters here are just missing the 3d model. How many local kids have played for 3d national at events? Many of them. Many local kids have also been added onto 3d regional teams at local tournaments here. Last summer several kids from other programs, including Madlax, played for 3d Colorado, New England teams at two tournaments. Now if you are counting things, sure those kids are Madlax or Crabs commits. It would be misleading to say that 3d got those kids committed, and unlike some clubs (Sweetlax in particular) 3d doesn't do that. I honestly don't get the attacks. For those of you with long memories, does anyone recall that Paul Rabil played his first Crabs tournament as a HS senior after he'd been recruited to play at Hopkins? Talk about a reach to have his picture on the front page of their website!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think a lot of the posters here are just missing the 3d model. How many local kids have played for 3d national at events? Many of them. Many local kids have also been added onto 3d regional teams at local tournaments here. Last summer several kids from other programs, including Madlax, played for 3d Colorado, New England teams at two tournaments. Now if you are counting things, sure those kids are Madlax or Crabs commits. It would be misleading to say that 3d got those kids committed, and unlike some clubs (Sweetlax in particular) 3d doesn't do that. I honestly don't get the attacks. For those of you with long memories, does anyone recall that Paul Rabil played his first Crabs tournament as a HS senior after he'd been recruited to play at Hopkins? Talk about a reach to have his picture on the front page of their website!

Agreed, the Blue and Yellow still listing commits on their webpage that no longer are crabbie patties.

3D has a great nationwide presence but they are just plain awful in northern va. They can't even field a 2020 team and the 2019's and 2021's got smoked almost every week in the HoCo league. I think it's way too much to pay in this area. Madlax is expensive and seems to have too many events, but you get bang for your buck. I hope they leave the area so that the stable teams here will get as strong as the Md teams.

Who's on that page who is no longer a Crab? Even if that's true, all of those guys committed when they were Crabs, so the list is legit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D has a great nationwide presence but they are just plain awful in northern va. They can't even field a 2020 team and the 2019's and 2021's got smoked almost every week in the HoCo league. I think it's way too much to pay in this area. Madlax is expensive and seems to have too many events, but you get bang for your buck. I hope they leave the area so that the stable teams here will get as strong as the Md teams.

Thanks for sharing Cabell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D has a great nationwide presence but they are just plain awful in northern va. They can't even field a 2020 team and the 2019's and 2021's got smoked almost every week in the HoCo league. I think it's way too much to pay in this area. Madlax is expensive and seems to have too many events, but you get bang for your buck. I hope they leave the area so that the stable teams here will get as strong as the Md teams.

I agree with this post who wants to get smoked in 80% of your games to wait around to play on a national team 2 times a year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I am not in high school just a guy who got lucky at work. I am not the most educated person around that is why I liked my son playing Lacrosse its a whole different world compared to a Football locker room. Lacrosse kids make fun of the kid with bad grades and tell him he needs to acted right. Football and Basketball and even Baseball dugouts in high school are not this way.

You are an idiot

Please inform me how this statement makes me a idiot. If its my spelling I can agree. But if you are questioning my opinion about the positive peer pressures that happen on a lacrosse team I do not get how this makes me a idiot?

So it's not true that lacrosse and the lacrosse world make a big deal about grades. And on avg the D1 recruits do not have a higher GPA? So when I read 40 out of the top 50 colleges offer lacrosse I am wrong to assume lacrosse is a big deal with the best academic schools? I know football players get into schools with 2.0 GPAs. Does this happen a lot with lacrosse?

The statement makes you an idiot because you think this only happens in a lacrosse locker room. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D has a great nationwide presence but they are just plain awful in northern va. They can't even field a 2020 team and the 2019's and 2021's got smoked almost every week in the HoCo league. I think it's way too much to pay in this area. Madlax is expensive and seems to have too many events, but you get bang for your buck. I hope they leave the area so that the stable teams here will get as strong as the Md teams.

Thanks for sharing Cabell.

Well you just proved of much you do not know about Cabell. He would never admit to anything he does as wrong or not the best way to do something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I am not in high school just a guy who got lucky at work. I am not the most educated person around that is why I liked my son playing Lacrosse its a whole different world compared to a Football locker room. Lacrosse kids make fun of the kid with bad grades and tell him he needs to acted right. Football and Basketball and even Baseball dugouts in high school are not this way.

You are an idiot

Please inform me how this statement makes me a idiot. If its my spelling I can agree. But if you are questioning my opinion about the positive peer pressures that happen on a lacrosse team I do not get how this makes me a idiot?

I do not see the word "only happens" in lacrosse locker rooms. Idiot
So it's not true that lacrosse and the lacrosse world make a big deal about grades. And on avg the D1 recruits do not have a higher GPA? So when I read 40 out of the top 50 colleges offer lacrosse I am wrong to assume lacrosse is a big deal with the best academic schools? I know football players get into schools with 2.0 GPAs. Does this happen a lot with lacrosse?

The statement makes you an idiot because you think this only happens in a lacrosse locker room.

[/quote]

How does he do it? Insulting parents and kids, all kinds or horrors about charging money to credit cards months after a family exits, the negative recruiting and trashing of other clubs. Yet Madlax has grown in size and team quality over the past 2 years. Are lacrosse parents really this morally bankrupt? Just seems incredible to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's on that page who is no longer a Crab? Even if that's true, all of those guys committed when they were Crabs, so the list is legit.

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's on that page who is no longer a Crab? Even if that's true, all of those guys committed when they were Crabs, so the list is legit.

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up

For which team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's on that page who is no longer a Crab? Even if that's true, all of those guys committed when they were Crabs, so the list is legit.

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up

For which team?

2018

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I am not in high school just a guy who got lucky at work. I am not the most educated person around that is why I liked my son playing Lacrosse its a whole different world compared to a Football locker room. Lacrosse kids make fun of the kid with bad grades and tell him he needs to acted right. Football and Basketball and even Baseball dugouts in high school are not this way.

You are an idiot

Please inform me how this statement makes me a idiot. If its my spelling I can agree. But if you are questioning my opinion about the positive peer pressures that happen on a lacrosse team I do not get how this makes me a idiot?

I do not see the word "only happens" in lacrosse locker rooms. Idiot
So it's not true that lacrosse and the lacrosse world make a big deal about grades. And on avg the D1 recruits do not have a higher GPA? So when I read 40 out of the top 50 colleges offer lacrosse I am wrong to assume lacrosse is a big deal with the best academic schools? I know football players get into schools with 2.0 GPAs. Does this happen a lot with lacrosse?

The statement makes you an idiot because you think this only happens in a lacrosse locker room.

[/quote]

I assumed when you used the words "as compared to" that you meant it happened in lacrosse, but not football. I don't know how else I should have interpreted that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D has a great nationwide presence but they are just plain awful in northern va. They can't even field a 2020 team and the 2019's and 2021's got smoked almost every week in the HoCo league. I think it's way too much to pay in this area. Madlax is expensive and seems to have too many events, but you get bang for your buck. I hope they leave the area so that the stable teams here will get as strong as the Md teams.

Thanks for sharing Cabell.

I'm not Cabell nor a madlax parent...just a dad trying to navigate this precarious club landscape in nova. It's tough here. Madlax is the only decent youth program but god forbid you don't want to do almost $4K a year worth of lax bc until about 8th grade you can be stuck with really crappy options here. 3D is not competitive here. They can't even field a 2020 team. Rec can really suck bc whatever dad is coaching? Guess what....his kid is GONNA play attack or face off whether he can do it or not. Madlax is the only one here that does it well year after year but the downside sucks. Too much $ and too much lacrosse for those who have other kids and want a family life outside of this during the summer. I just wish we had more options here. VLC and BW do great at HS level and are extremely competitive but no youth program. 3D is not competitive. Cavs? Enjoy winning your B level championship over the Lynchburg Lumberjacks every week. Meanwhile just across the river the Md kids have tons of options to choose from. I just wish people would stop chasing these fly by night clubs and yet few strong ones could take hold and offer some real options for AA level nova players.

That is not true!!!!!!!! Who ever is posting this does not know what they are talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's on that page who is no longer a Crab? Even if that's true, all of those guys committed when they were Crabs, so the list is legit.

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up

For which team?

2018

That is not true!!!!!!!! Who ever is posting this does not know what they are talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's on that page who is no longer a Crab? Even if that's true, all of those guys committed when they were Crabs, so the list is legit.

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up

For which team?

2018

That is not true!!!!!!!! Who ever is posting this does not know what they are talking about.

I think I do

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's on that page who is no longer a Crab? Even if that's true, all of those guys committed when they were Crabs, so the list is legit.

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up

For which team?

2018

Well since I definitely know you are not the kids parents please stick to posting about

That is not true!!!!!!!! Who ever is posting this does not know what they are talking about.

I think I do

No you don't!!!!!! Since I definitely 100% know that you are not the kids parent (because that would be me) please post about your own kid and stop spreading lies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But Madlax gives you the Case thing. Totally justifies paying $3600.

Where is the blowhard that was challenging everyone to post their costs, because he had some point to make. If your son is getting the most from his program and is benefitting, why do you care what other clubs are doing or other parents are paying.

How about from now on, when you want to bad mouth a program you start by saying where you played D1 lacrosse or how many kids you have coached and mentored to play D1. Then you can criticize all of the other programs and call them crazy. No matter what, all of the NoVa programs are improving and giving kids opportunities to peruse their dreams. No one has cornered the market on how to best do it for every kid.

I am guessing I am the Blow Hard you are talking about. And I am also guessing that 100s of people will read these last couple of post and be informed about the cost of all the NOVA clubs. So with this information a parent thinking about starting this crazy club/travel thing now has some information to start with. I asked nicely for people to post the cost but it took me calling people names to get them to do the math and write it all down. But can we all agree that Madlax is not overpriced to the extent as the bitter dads on the sidelines like to say. And the crazy thing is would anyone like to talk about the level of play on the Madlax team compared to the 3D teams. And as we see hear the price is pretty much the same. And we can agree that VLC and Blackwolf play less lacrosse for the money you pay. Witch is fine but you can not say how much cheaper something is unless its the same amount of the thing you are comparing. I can get one Coke for $1.25 and you can get a case of Coke for $4.50. Which one is a better deal.

Here's what you fail to understand. It would be one thing if paying more money for more tournaments had increasing returns. It doesn't. No kid - youth or HS - needs to play in 5-6 mandatory team tournaments. Not for the reps, not for the recruiting exposure. 2-3 tournaments is plenty of exposure, especially because most of these kids are going to individual recruiting events, etc.

If you like paying more for Madlax, great. If you don't mind having your credit card charged every month, great. There are plenty of good Madlax kids and parents. But people have a right to point out that $3500 a year is a lot to charge families to play lacrosse when there are cheaper alternatives that many find comparable or better.

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up [/quote]

For which team? [/quote]
2018 [/quote]

Well since I definitely know you are not the kids parents please stick to posting about

That is not true!!!!!!!! Who ever is posting this does not know what they are talking about.
[/quote]
I think I do [/quote]

No you don't!!!!!! Since I definitely 100% know that you are not the kids parent (because that would be me) please post about your own kid and stop spreading lies. [/quote]
I think I do, there is more than one goalie and more than one midfielder on the team, like I said one goalie and one middie not coming back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up

That is not true!!!!!!!! Who ever is posting this does not know what they are talking about.
[/quote]
I think I do [/quote]

No you don't!!!!!! Since I definitely 100% know that you are not the kids parent (because that would be me) please post about your own kid and stop spreading lies. [/quote]
I think I do, there is more than one goalie and more than one midfielder on the team, like I said one goalie and one middie not coming back [/quote]

You are a moron!!!! You wrote the following "the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow" and that is totally and completely false statement. Quit spreading lies and talk about your own kid not others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But Madlax gives you the Case thing. Totally justifies paying $3600.

Where is the blowhard that was challenging everyone to post their costs, because he had some point to make. If your son is getting the most from his program and is benefitting, why do you care what other clubs are doing or other parents are paying.

How about from now on, when you want to bad mouth a program you start by saying where you played D1 lacrosse or how many kids you have coached and mentored to play D1. Then you can criticize all of the other programs and call them crazy. No matter what, all of the NoVa programs are improving and giving kids opportunities to peruse their dreams. No one has cornered the market on how to best do it for every kid.

I am guessing I am the Blow Hard you are talking about. And I am also guessing that 100s of people will read these last couple of post and be informed about the cost of all the NOVA clubs. So with this information a parent thinking about starting this crazy club/travel thing now has some information to start with. I asked nicely for people to post the cost but it took me calling people names to get them to do the math and write it all down. But can we all agree that Madlax is not overpriced to the extent as the bitter dads on the sidelines like to say. And the crazy thing is would anyone like to talk about the level of play on the Madlax team compared to the 3D teams. And as we see hear the price is pretty much the same. And we can agree that VLC and Blackwolf play less lacrosse for the money you pay. Witch is fine but you can not say how much cheaper something is unless its the same amount of the thing you are comparing. I can get one Coke for $1.25 and you can get a case of Coke for $4.50. Which one is a better deal.

Here's what you fail to understand. It would be one thing if paying more money for more tournaments had increasing returns. It doesn't. No kid - youth or HS - needs to play in 5-6 mandatory team tournaments. Not for the reps, not for the recruiting exposure. 2-3 tournaments is plenty of exposure, especially because most of these kids are going to individual recruiting events, etc.

If you like paying more for Madlax, great. If you don't mind having your credit card charged every month, great. There are plenty of good Madlax kids and parents. But people have a right to point out that $3500 a year is a lot to charge families to play lacrosse when there are cheaper alternatives that many find comparable or better.

Not arguing with 90% of this but Madlax does 4 summer tournaments and you only do 5 if you are on the National team. The 6th one could count if you do the Madlax Showcase camp. But lots of Madlax kids do not do they do other showcases.

First of all, I am not the prior poster who said anything about a 2018 team I have no idea about. Frankly, my original point was there are lacrosse clubs who will literally have a kid guest play for a tournament or two, then add those guys to the club commit lists. Sweetlax does a lot of that. Sure they develop some players, but their lists have been pretty brazen to list out kids who barely got on a first name basis with other kids on a team one summer. Crabs has been notorious for this too, getting rising HS juniors or seniors to go to Lake Placid. They make calls to committed kids they want to roster at that tournament and some others, and then poof a Crab is born. I wrote 3d has the same passers through but doesn't advertise like that. Paul Rabil was not raised up a Crab...he was a dialed up ringer for the Lake Placid event long after he was a Hopkins recruit. How this became a who is a Crab commit in the kiddie pool I have no idea, and don't care. This bantor is misplaced. The quality of a youth lacrosse club is not a hit count of committed kids. That has very little to do with anyone's personal needs and should not be a focus of parents. Lacrosse should be challenging and fun. Sounds like the programs bashing each other here are lost on that concept.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up

That is not true!!!!!!!! Who ever is posting this does not know what they are talking about.

I think I do [/quote]

No you don't!!!!!! Since I definitely 100% know that you are not the kids parent (because that would be me) please post about your own kid and stop spreading lies. [/quote]
I think I do, there is more than one goalie and more than one midfielder on the team, like I said one goalie and one middie not coming back [/quote]

You are a moron!!!! You wrote the following "the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow" and that is totally and completely false statement. Quit spreading lies and talk about your own kid not others. [/quote]
I think he did

Can I get a update from this weekends Maryland Tryouts please?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First of all, I am not the prior poster who said anything about a 2018 team I have no idea about. Frankly, my original point was there are lacrosse clubs who will literally have a kid guest play for a tournament or two, then add those guys to the club commit lists. Sweetlax does a lot of that. Sure they develop some players, but their lists have been pretty brazen to list out kids who barely got on a first name basis with other kids on a team one summer. Crabs has been notorious for this too, getting rising HS juniors or seniors to go to Lake Placid. They make calls to committed kids they want to roster at that tournament and some others, and then poof a Crab is born. I wrote 3d has the same passers through but doesn't advertise like that. Paul Rabil was not raised up a Crab...he was a dialed up ringer for the Lake Placid event long after he was a Hopkins recruit. How this became a who is a Crab commit in the kiddie pool I have no idea, and don't care. This bantor is misplaced. The quality of a youth lacrosse club is not a hit count of committed kids. That has very little to do with anyone's personal needs and should not be a focus of parents. Lacrosse should be challenging and fun. Sounds like the programs bashing each other here are lost on that concept.

All the college commits on the Crabs website are kids who are on their teams. They do tournaments like Lake Placid where they have a combo team with VLC and a sprinkling of other kids, but they do not put those kids on their college commit list. Please.

Please? Baloney. Explain Paul Rabil then. The Lake Placid team is an assemblage that has included players from all over. Rob Emery, who had never been to Baltimore, played for Crabs in Lake Placid and broke his thumb on a team my oldest was on. The Lake Placid event has always been a platform to add Crabs references. What screwed up "claiming" someone like Emery is that kid was young for his class and was already at UVA. To point to Rabil as a Crab is a fraud. Point to tournaments he played as a U-15, U-13 or just stop with the indignation. Crabs has been doing this for many years.

Name one person on the Crabs college commit list who was never a member of the Crabs.

Not playing lawyer with you pal. I just did. Paul Rabil, wasn't a Crab at all. I see what you did there, don't answer the question but turn the nozzle to see if I'm a cad and would call out minors on your 2018 teams or whatever. The point is maybe every kid wore a Crab jersey once, but Crabs have been pretty brazen in years past to bloat the list with kids who were not Crab youths, period. Let's all pretend Paul Rabil as a crab isn't a fraud? Answer that one Ryan.

Instead of relying on me, look it up. Paul Rabil's exact words: I NEVER PLAYED CLUB LACROSSE. And he clarified that two clubs, including Crabs, smile and dialed him to play on a U-19 team one summer. Google lax all stars webpage. Now answer my question: why was Paul Rabil's photo in a Crabs uniform on the Crabs website for years as eye candy, and why does the club trot him through the Crabs Prospect Camp (paid role of course) as the Crab legend to talk to the kids?

But wait, you want me to name little kids for you to go check and come back with some yarn on? Nice try, but face it instead of deflections with urgings to look off topic. The most famous Crab of all is a myth and a fraudulent representation.

If you say Paul Rabil was never a Crab, I believe you. But I think you said that there were kids on their homepage listed as D1 commits who've never played for the Crabs. If you are going to make that assertion, please provide proof.

Doesn't Madlax have Paul Rabil come to their camp every year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not arguing with 90% of this but Madlax does 4 summer tournaments and you only do 5 if you are on the National team. The 6th one could count if you do the Madlax Showcase camp. But lots of Madlax kids do not do they do other showcases.

Both Madlax 2017 teams had to pay for 5 tournaments. Both Madlax 2018 teams had to pay for 5 tournaments. One of the Madlax 2019 teams had to pay for 5 tournaments.

Those are 5 Madlax teams that had to pay for 5, and some/most of those kids also had to pay for a 6th tournament with their "national" team. That is ridiculous considering those kids have to pay/play for other individual recruiting events.

Why is that ridiculous if that is what they want to do? The kids that have not been committed still need playing opportunities and additional exposure. I am sure that most of the parents from Fairfax, Loudoun, Montgomery and DC can afford it if they so choose. Non-Madlax Parent!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you say Paul Rabil was never a Crab, I believe you. But I think you said that there were kids on their homepage listed as D1 commits who've never played for the Crabs. If you are going to make that assertion, please provide proof.

Doesn't Madlax have Paul Rabil come to their camp every year?

Losing arguments from a loser. I wrote crabs has been notorious for years to have kids guest play at one or two events, and then poster them up as crabs who are on their college lists. I didn't write that kids never played, only the projection is silly for kids who did 1-2 events. The ultimate hypocrisy is Rabil, and it seems that finally got through to you because it is a fact. Sure Rabil goes and does clinics here and there, but I missed the part where Madlax introduced him at an event as a Madlax player alum. Crabs does exactly that and it is a hysterical fraud. Ryan's best hopes are people don't have a long memory to call it out. This is the part where you accept that for what it is and I stop responding to this idiocy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]If you say Paul Rabil was never a Crab, I believe you. But I think you said that there were kids on their homepage listed as D1 commits who've never played for the Crabs. If you are going to make that assertion, please provide proof.

Doesn't Madlax have Paul Rabil come to their camp every year?

Losing arguments from a loser. I wrote crabs has been notorious for years to have kids guest play at one or two events, and then poster them up as crabs who are on their college lists. I didn't write that kids never played, only the projection is silly for kids who did 1-2 events. The ultimate hypocrisy is Rabil, and it seems that finally got through to you because it is a fact. Sure Rabil goes and does clinics here and there, but I missed the part where Madlax introduced him at an event as a Madlax player alum. Crabs does exactly that and it is a hysterical fraud. Ryan's best hopes are people don't have a long memory to call it out. This is the part where you accept that for what it is and I stop responding to this idiocy.

Only thing hysterical is your rant. Pick up your soiled panties and go away.

Is your position so weak you have to resort to namecalling?

If you say Rabil never played for the Crabs, I believe you. But you say there are other kids who have guest played (e.g. played only once or twice for the Crabs) and then are listed as D1 commits as a Crab.

That's fine. Can you please list of few of them so that it's clear for the record?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is that ridiculous if that is what they want to do? The kids that have not been committed still need playing opportunities and additional exposure. I am sure that most of the parents from Fairfax, Loudoun, Montgomery and DC can afford it if they so choose. Non-Madlax Parent!

If that works for you, go to town. But you are throwing money down the toilet. The owner of that club is playing into your fears and you are having over money for no reason. The only thing that happens is your son is more fatigued and plays worse in the next event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is that ridiculous if that is what they want to do? The kids that have not been committed still need playing opportunities and additional exposure. I am sure that most of the parents from Fairfax, Loudoun, Montgomery and DC can afford it if they so choose. Non-Madlax Parent!

If that works for you, go to town. But you are throwing money down the toilet. The owner of that club is playing into your fears and you are having over money for no reason. The only thing that happens is your son is more fatigued and plays worse in the next event.

When we left ML the owner told me there was no way my son would be recruited. I told him I wasn't worried about that, as I wasn't really enthused about committing to get maybe a 25% discount at best. But I also told him that if my son was good enough to play in college it would probably happen.

Two months later my son was fielding multiple calls, after teams saw him at both an individual showcase event and at a tournament where he played with his high school team. Everybody has to do what is best for them; in our case, leaving Madlax was the catalyst for more recruiting than he ever received while with the club. Now, he is happily committed to a great school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not arguing with 90% of this but Madlax does 4 summer tournaments and you only do 5 if you are on the National team. The 6th one could count if you do the Madlax Showcase camp. But lots of Madlax kids do not do they do other showcases.

Both Madlax 2017 teams had to pay for 5 tournaments. Both Madlax 2018 teams had to pay for 5 tournaments. One of the Madlax 2019 teams had to pay for 5 tournaments.

Those are 5 Madlax teams that had to pay for 5, and some/most of those kids also had to pay for a 6th tournament with their "national" team. That is ridiculous considering those kids have to pay/play for other individual recruiting events.

Not many kids played in all tournaments. Every team that you named was competitive in every tournament even though its roster varied slightly weekly due to absences. Every team won their fair share. Every kid got ample playing time.

Madlax is far and away the best club in NoVA, and gets invited to the top tournaments, something no other club in NoVa can say. Did another NoVa team win a tournament this summer?

Did anyone mention that Madlax has for 3 years running had the first or one of the first commits in 2017, 2018 and 2019? Top schools follow top prospects to the top tournaments.

If I have to pay more for that training and exposure, so be it. I charge top of the market rates for my services too. I'm worth it, so is Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you say Paul Rabil was never a Crab, I believe you. But I think you said that there were kids on their homepage listed as D1 commits who've never played for the Crabs. If you are going to make that assertion, please provide proof.

Doesn't Madlax have Paul Rabil come to their camp every year?

Losing arguments from a loser. I wrote crabs has been notorious for years to have kids guest play at one or two events, and then poster them up as crabs who are on their college lists. I didn't write that kids never played, only the projection is silly for kids who did 1-2 events. The ultimate hypocrisy is Rabil, and it seems that finally got through to you because it is a fact. Sure Rabil goes and does clinics here and there, but I missed the part where Madlax introduced him at an event as a Madlax player alum. Crabs does exactly that and it is a hysterical fraud. Ryan's best hopes are people don't have a long memory to call it out. This is the part where you accept that for what it is and I stop responding to this idiocy.

�Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.� ― Mark Twain

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is that ridiculous if that is what they want to do? The kids that have not been committed still need playing opportunities and additional exposure. I am sure that most of the parents from Fairfax, Loudoun, Montgomery and DC can afford it if they so choose. Non-Madlax Parent!

If that works for you, go to town. But you are throwing money down the toilet. The owner of that club is playing into your fears and you are having over money for no reason. The only thing that happens is your son is more fatigued and plays worse in the next event.

When we left ML the owner told me there was no way my son would be recruited. I told him I wasn't worried about that, as I wasn't really enthused about committing to get maybe a 25% discount at best. But I also told him that if my son was good enough to play in college it would probably happen.

Two months later my son was fielding multiple calls, after teams saw him at both an individual showcase event and at a tournament where he played with his high school team. Everybody has to do what is best for them; in our case, leaving Madlax was the catalyst for more recruiting than he ever received while with the club. Now, he is happily committed to a great school.

How do your son's uncommitted ML friends at other local private schools feel about you continually posting on here? I assume if you thought it was okay that you would sign your posts. We know who you are...

Good grief....1-800-GET-LIFE

So no one who reads this can give me a update about the Maryland tryouts. Really no one can say they went well. Or there where lots of kids or not a lot of kids. Something anyone?

The point this guy makes is s good one. You don't need club lacrosse to get recruited. And I don't care who he is he's allowed to share information on this site And I don't see how it negatively affects any uncommitted kids. You're the one who made it weird by getting personal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The point this guy makes is s good one. You don't need club lacrosse to get recruited. And I don't care who he is he's allowed to share information on this site And I don't see how it negatively affects any uncommitted kids. You're the one who made it weird by getting personal.

I agree you do not always need club ball to get seen. But if you are a public school kid on a bad 5 A school. I would say you need club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So no one who reads this can give me a update about the Maryland tryouts. Really no one can say they went well. Or there where lots of kids or not a lot of kids. Something anyone?

The turnout was pretty bad. It was a low turnout and the quality wasn't very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is that ridiculous if that is what they want to do? The kids that have not been committed still need playing opportunities and additional exposure. I am sure that most of the parents from Fairfax, Loudoun, Montgomery and DC can afford it if they so choose. Non-Madlax Parent!

If that works for you, go to town. But you are throwing money down the toilet. The owner of that club is playing into your fears and you are having over money for no reason. The only thing that happens is your son is more fatigued and plays worse in the next event.

When we left ML the owner told me there was no way my son would be recruited. I told him I wasn't worried about that, as I wasn't really enthused about committing to get maybe a 25% discount at best. But I also told him that if my son was good enough to play in college it would probably happen.

Two months later my son was fielding multiple calls, after teams saw him at both an individual showcase event and at a tournament where he played with his high school team. Everybody has to do what is best for them; in our case, leaving Madlax was the catalyst for more recruiting than he ever received while with the club. Now, he is happily committed to a great school.

How do your son's uncommitted ML friends at other local private schools feel about you continually posting on here? I assume if you thought it was okay that you would sign your posts. We know who you are...

If youre trying to say the uncommitted madlax kids feel bad about the what an ex-madlax dad is posting on this site -- that is a laugh! Kids don't even look at this forum. how about how madlax likes to post/tweet pictures of the favorite madlax commits with the name of the school they committed to in parenthesis like its part of their name. THat makes the uncommitted kids feel like crap. I know because my kid is one! Do you know who I am......???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is that ridiculous if that is what they want to do? The kids that have not been committed still need playing opportunities and additional exposure. I am sure that most of the parents from Fairfax, Loudoun, Montgomery and DC can afford it if they so choose. Non-Madlax Parent!

If that works for you, go to town. But you are throwing money down the toilet. The owner of that club is playing into your fears and you are having over money for no reason. The only thing that happens is your son is more fatigued and plays worse in the next event.

When we left ML the owner told me there was no way my son would be recruited. I told him I wasn't worried about that, as I wasn't really enthused about committing to get maybe a 25% discount at best. But I also told him that if my son was good enough to play in college it would probably happen.

Two months later my son was fielding multiple calls, after teams saw him at both an individual showcase event and at a tournament where he played with his high school team. Everybody has to do what is best for them; in our case, leaving Madlax was the catalyst for more recruiting than he ever received while with the club. Now, he is happily committed to a great school.

How do your son's uncommitted ML friends at other local private schools feel about you continually posting on here? I assume if you thought it was okay that you would sign your posts. We know who you are...

If youre trying to say the uncommitted madlax kids feel bad about the what an ex-madlax dad is posting on this site -- that is a laugh! Kids don't even look at this forum. how about how madlax likes to post/tweet pictures of the favorite madlax commits with the name of the school they committed to in parenthesis like its part of their name. THat makes the uncommitted kids feel like crap. I know because my kid is one! Do you know who I am......???

So you are saying the kids who have not yet committed are having there feelings hurt when Madlax posts on Twitter when a kid does sign or verbals. Shouldnt they be happy there friends just signed to play college ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is that ridiculous if that is what they want to do? The kids that have not been committed still need playing opportunities and additional exposure. I am sure that most of the parents from Fairfax, Loudoun, Montgomery and DC can afford it if they so choose. Non-Madlax Parent!

If that works for you, go to town. But you are throwing money down the toilet. The owner of that club is playing into your fears and you are having over money for no reason. The only thing that happens is your son is more fatigued and plays worse in the next event.

When we left ML the owner told me there was no way my son would be recruited. I told him I wasn't worried about that, as I wasn't really enthused about committing to get maybe a 25% discount at best. But I also told him that if my son was good enough to play in college it would probably happen.

Two months later my son was fielding multiple calls, after teams saw him at both an individual showcase event and at a tournament where he played with his high school team. Everybody has to do what is best for them; in our case, leaving Madlax was the catalyst for more recruiting than he ever received while with the club. Now, he is happily committed to a great school.

How do your son's uncommitted ML friends at other local private schools feel about you continually posting on here? I assume if you thought it was okay that you would sign your posts. We know who you are...

If youre trying to say the uncommitted madlax kids feel bad about the what an ex-madlax dad is posting on this site -- that is a laugh! Kids don't even look at this forum. how about how madlax likes to post/tweet pictures of the favorite madlax commits with the name of the school they committed to in parenthesis like its part of their name. THat makes the uncommitted kids feel like crap. I know because my kid is one! Do you know who I am......???

So you are saying the kids who have not yet committed are having there feelings hurt when Madlax posts on Twitter when a kid does sign or verbals. Shouldnt they be happy there friends just signed to play college ball.

Of course those kids and families are happy for the poster and his kid. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

Keep in mind this is the same guy who keeps posting the same denigrating stuff about other clubs and kids in order to make himself feel better about paying Madlax. It's fine if he thinks Madlax is best for his son, but it's embarrassing that he keeps attacking other people/clubs at the same time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So no one who reads this can give me a update about the Maryland tryouts. Really no one can say they went well. Or there where lots of kids or not a lot of kids. Something anyone?

The turnout was pretty bad. It was a low turnout and the quality wasn't very good.

I wonder how the turnout will be for the VA tryouts this weekend.

How was Madlax's 2020 team last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is your position so weak you have to resort to namecalling?

If you say Rabil never played for the Crabs, I believe you. But you say there are other kids who have guest played (e.g. played only once or twice for the Crabs) and then are listed as D1 commits as a Crab.

That's fine. Can you please list of few of them so that it's clear for the record?

Paul Rabil played in two tournaments as a club player - that's it. "I played in more Summer and Fall tournaments with DeMatha High School, than I ever did with said club programs. I played in one Vail Lacrosse Shootout with the Baltimore Crabs, and one Champ Camp with Team Crossroads. We lost both."

I always assume it's Cabell Maddux posting when it gets creepy, i.e. "we know who you are..."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So no one who reads this can give me a update about the Maryland tryouts. Really no one can say they went well. Or there where lots of kids or not a lot of kids. Something anyone?

The turnout was pretty bad. It was a low turnout and the quality wasn't very good.

I wonder how the turnout will be for the VA tryouts this weekend.

How was Madlax's 2020 team last year?

Their 2020 team was just ok. Had a couple buddies whose kids attended the VLC 2020 tryout last weekend and said they had 70 kids on the field.

Are there now 3 madlax teams? Va, Md, DC?

One reason may be the sudden collapse of Great Falls-based FreedomLax; they fielded two teams at U15 and U15 over the spring and summer.

Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there now 3 madlax teams? Va, Md, DC?

I think that's what they're trying for, but we will see if they can do it or not....last year madlax was really only able to field one team per year group for summer below 2019. Three might be a stretch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there now 3 madlax teams? Va, Md, DC?

I think that's what they're trying for, but we will see if they can do it or not....last year madlax was really only able to field one team per year group for summer below 2019. Three might be a stretch.

I think this is correct and not correct at the same time. If you take the U11,U13 and U15 model that is two ages per group. They had a orange and blue team at each age group with this old model. So when they went to all grad year they still had 6 teams like before but really 7, 2019 had a blue team. I do think they will be backing out of the 3 team model for all grades. I am guessing they will have MD kids play for the VA team if that age group is really weak in MD. And as long as they have one team in MD or VA and the top team Capital they will still be the same size. I do not think they will look at it as a failure if they are able to make 1 or two teams extra.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.

Don't Cavs and VLC play in same Division in NYPLL league.

That's sort of true. 2019 is one of the only competitive Cavs teams and played in the NPYLL lower division yes...they had a tough time there for the most part. Cavs generally play in the Great Falls league (VA) vs the Charlottesville Bolts and others. The tourneys they normally do are the Battle of Bull Run and Shore Wars which are on the level of the Great Falls League. Cavs are a well run organization and are a good supplement to rec, but not competitive for preparing to play and succeed at the college level like madlax, VLC, and BW. They like to win tournaments vice playing against higher level competition.

What grade do most little kids start playing lax in NoVa?

In my non-hotbed, kids from my neighborhood often start in kindegarten or even age 5. My son and daughter started in 1st.

In NoVa I'd guess rec starting at U-9, so an 8 year old? My son tried it for first time as a nine year old for the town rec league. In Baltimore they likely start them at 9 too, only they're rising kindergarden at age 9. Hope that helps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.

Don't Cavs and VLC play in same Division in NYPLL league.

VLC has way better high school teams with a history of being good. and being part of the Crabs does not hurt either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's sort of true. 2019 is one of the only competitive Cavs teams and played in the NPYLL lower division yes...they had a tough time there for the most part. Cavs generally play in the Great Falls league (VA) vs the Charlottesville Bolts and others. The tourneys they normally do are the Battle of Bull Run and Shore Wars which are on the level of the Great Falls League. Cavs are a well run organization and are a good supplement to rec, but not competitive for preparing to play and succeed at the college level like madlax, VLC, and BW. They like to win tournaments vice playing against higher level competition.

So as far as 2019's go, the Cavs and VLC have the same objective

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.

Don't Cavs and VLC play in same Division in NYPLL league.

VLC has way better high school teams with a history of being good. and being part of the Crabs does not hurt either.

How does that help them

Only about 40 kids at the Virginia madlax tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.

Don't Cavs and VLC play in same Division in NYPLL league.

VLC has way better high school teams with a history of being good. and being part of the Crabs does not hurt either.

How does that help them

I should have phrased this question better, how has being a part of BLC helped VLC, does VLC have bigger numbers since merger, is there financial support from BLC. Do these mergers help or does thge owner of smaller club just get a payday for his email database. I would assume since Rob is still involved that the BLC-VLC merger was not simply a handshake and a check in the mail. I really am curious as to what the difference before BLC and post BLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.

Don't Cavs and VLC play in same Division in NYPLL league.

VLC has way better high school teams with a history of being good. and being part of the Crabs does not hurt either.

How does that help them

I should have phrased this question better, how has being a part of BLC helped VLC, does VLC have bigger numbers since merger, is there financial support from BLC. Do these mergers help or does thge owner of smaller club just get a payday for his email database. I would assume since Rob is still involved that the BLC-VLC merger was not simply a handshake and a check in the mail. I really am curious as to what the difference before BLC and post BLC

I was just referring to the chance for the top VLC players to play with the top Crabs teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only about 40 kids at the Virginia madlax tryouts?

Why is every statement so vague what team had 40 kids at it ?

Sorry....2020 Virginia. Is the madlax capital roster already filled up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry....2020 Virginia. Is the madlax capital roster already filled up?

No they take the best players new or old

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.

Don't Cavs and VLC play in same Division in NYPLL league.

VLC has way better high school teams with a history of being good. and being part of the Crabs does not hurt either.

How does that help them

I should have phrased this question better, how has being a part of BLC helped VLC, does VLC have bigger numbers since merger, is there financial support from BLC. Do these mergers help or does thge owner of smaller club just get a payday for his email database. I would assume since Rob is still involved that the BLC-VLC merger was not simply a handshake and a check in the mail. I really am curious as to what the difference before BLC and post BLC

BLC pre-Crabs was very different. post BLC, the VLC has weakened at the youth level. Let's not waste any time with this: if VLC continued as-is with the founder / prior owner, they'd have wiped out Madlax. The parents, particularly the youth age parents, experienced quite a shock when King Crab the Overlord showed up. After a year of never getting a question answered or an email returned, I could see the only two times a VLC parent will hear from McClernan is when he's asking for money or berating people for having a question. Once a youth team had a game at Cedar Park. The part McClernan didn't communicate on the website was WHICH Cedar Park. Parents drove to the wrong part of Maryland and needed to race over to make a game with no warm up. At least one mom was threatened her kid would be kicked out and he'd send a refund after she emailed him to suggest improving the way things get communicated. VLC's youth teams have gone backwards and a good many Fairfax County parents and families like ours just don't see the way Ryan McClernan does business to be a good thing for us or our families. This is how BW survived after being down. This is how Madlax was able to recover and get a stranglehold on the top youth players in NOVA. Freedom did fail and fold, but remember why it started to begin with. A large volume of parents, some VLC coaches and kids just got fed up and left. If your son is not one of 3-4 players in a grade VLC is interested in selling to colleges, it's a bad fit for anyone. Who needs a fat slob berating us. I am a 50 year old man with a doctorate, not a puppet. I didn't let McClernand treat our family like garbage, or should anyone else. There is plenty of alternatives for kids who want to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.

Don't Cavs and VLC play in same Division in NYPLL league.

VLC has way better high school teams with a history of being good. and being part of the Crabs does not hurt either.

How does that help them

I should have phrased this question better, how has being a part of BLC helped VLC, does VLC have bigger numbers since merger, is there financial support from BLC. Do these mergers help or does thge owner of smaller club just get a payday for his email database. I would assume since Rob is still involved that the BLC-VLC merger was not simply a handshake and a check in the mail. I really am curious as to what the difference before BLC and post BLC

BLC pre-Crabs was very different. post BLC, the VLC has weakened at the youth level. Let's not waste any time with this: if VLC continued as-is with the founder / prior owner, they'd have wiped out Madlax. The parents, particularly the youth age parents, experienced quite a shock when King Crab the Overlord showed up. After a year of never getting a question answered or an email returned, I could see the only two times a VLC parent will hear from McClernan is when he's asking for money or berating people for having a question. Once a youth team had a game at Cedar Park. The part McClernan didn't communicate on the website was WHICH Cedar Park. Parents drove to the wrong part of Maryland and needed to race over to make a game with no warm up. At least one mom was threatened her kid would be kicked out and he'd send a refund after she emailed him to suggest improving the way things get communicated. VLC's youth teams have gone backwards and a good many Fairfax County parents and families like ours just don't see the way Ryan McClernan does business to be a good thing for us or our families. This is how BW survived after being down. This is how Madlax was able to recover and get a stranglehold on the top youth players in NOVA. Freedom did fail and fold, but remember why it started to begin with. A large volume of parents, some VLC coaches and kids just got fed up and left. If your son is not one of 3-4 players in a grade VLC is interested in selling to colleges, it's a bad fit for anyone. Who needs a fat slob berating us. I am a 50 year old man with a doctorate, not a puppet. I didn't let McClernand treat our family like garbage, or should anyone else. There is plenty of alternatives for kids who want to play.

So what you are saying is go play for Madlax. But I think I just read VLC had 100 kids at tryouts for 2020

There are kids trying out for 3-4 teams this month. Kind of sad that the myopia and stress reached this level to have families all over the place to ensure a kid can play. Most of the kids you counted at VLC's tryouts were are other club tryouts as well. Not sure what your point means. Ryan McClernan doesn't run a good ship and it shows.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are kids trying out for 3-4 teams this month. Kind of sad that the myopia and stress reached this level to have families all over the place to ensure a kid can play. Most of the kids you counted at VLC's tryouts were are other club tryouts as well. Not sure what your point means. Ryan McClernan doesn't run a good ship and it shows.

I am a Madlax Dad so I do not mind the bashing of another club for once not named Madlax. But I also think there has to be a number 2 or number 3 club in the area so over all I am hoping for a strong VLC team. There is way more then 20 kids who can play D1 in this area and there needs to be 3 strong clubs for the D1 kids to play for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are kids trying out for 3-4 teams this month. Kind of sad that the myopia and stress reached this level to have families all over the place to ensure a kid can play. Most of the kids you counted at VLC's tryouts were are other club tryouts as well. Not sure what your point means. Ryan McClernan doesn't run a good ship and it shows.

Well I think its a great thing kids are going to 3 and 4 tryouts a year. This will let the kids and parents know what is out there and hopefully push the cream to the top. What hurts this area is the top is not a clear top. Up north the best programs are a clear top program. We can not even pick the top 3 here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are kids trying out for 3-4 teams this month. Kind of sad that the myopia and stress reached this level to have families all over the place to ensure a kid can play. Most of the kids you counted at VLC's tryouts were are other club tryouts as well. Not sure what your point means. Ryan McClernan doesn't run a good ship and it shows.

I am a Madlax Dad so I do not mind the bashing of another club for once not named Madlax. But I also think there has to be a number 2 or number 3 club in the area so over all I am hoping for a strong VLC team. There is way more then 20 kids who can play D1 in this area and there needs to be 3 strong clubs for the D1 kids to play for.

There are three strong clubs: Blackwolf, Madlax and VLC. For HS, both Blackwolf and VLC have had superior HS teams. If you are talking about club serving D1 recruits in this area, both Blackwolf and VLC have had more D1 recruits than Madlax. In the youth, Madlax has had the numbers, although Blackwolf is now doing youth teams.

You can't just look at your son's particular grade. Those three clubs are all fielding good to strong teams at every level.

The Crabs are not much of an influence at VLC at all. The advantage VLC gets with the Crab relationship is that they can bring top VLC talent to the Crabs at the lower age groups where VLC is not as strong. The 2020 attack who led the Crabs in scoring out at Denver was a VLC kid. Instead of him having to leave to find a better more suitable program, VLC was able to retain a great player by getting him into an acceptable situation until a solid 2020 was built up at VLC. They do this at the higher levels as well and can assemble more elite teams with a broader talent base. It is a good system and very well run at the HS level. VLC is not on par with madlax at the youth level, but freedom lax folding up could be a game changer. Low turnouts for madlax does not bode well for the new 3 teams per year group model with blackwolf entering the youth market. I personally don't think there are enough that will pay that much in the nova area for youth lax when rec is dirt cheap and pretty good quality at the A team level.

Anyone know what kind of turnout madlax Virginia got yesterday?

Actually MADLAX had a pretty good turnout if you think about it in these terms. The MD kids went to the MD tryouts so that filtered quite a few kids out of the VA. Plus the tryouts were grade-based instead of Uxx for the youth teams. Basically the same number of kids were at the 2020 tryout as attended the U13 tryout for both MD and VA last year. Not bad for changing the program so that Orange is perceived as super-team 'Capital'.

It's just a money grab. Instead of allowing the top kids to be locks for his Orange team, he is making eveyrone try out which means more tryout fees, even though those kids were on the team before they set foot on the field.

And instead of one B team, he is splitting the Blue kids into two teams, making them even weaker. The kids who stay in the program but don't make the Orange team are the ones who will suffer.

Don't know about the VA tryouts but we were there at the MD ones and the turnout was pretty bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's just a money grab. Instead of allowing the top kids to be locks for his Orange team, he is making eveyrone try out which means more tryout fees, even though those kids were on the team before they set foot on the field.

And instead of one B team, he is splitting the Blue kids into two teams, making them even weaker. The kids who stay in the program but don't make the Orange team are the ones who will suffer.

Don't know about the VA tryouts but we were there at the MD ones and the turnout was pretty bad.

Returning kids do not pay the tryout fee so you are wrong there. Yes you can look at adding a third team as a money grab. Or you can look at it as more kids more talent. If the other two top programs in the area have good or great high school teams you might want to have the numbers to be able to handle some leaving for the other top high school programs. Also with these top private schools doing more and more summer and fall actives. A top private school kid and play with his high school during the off season also and do showcases and be just fine.

This comment is incorrect - it is true that all returning players were required to attend yesterday's tryout however, if you were already invited to play on the Capital Orange team you did not get charged the tryout fee. I should know, my Son fell in this category...

It's true invited Capital players didn't have to pay. But it's also true this new system isn't really to benefit the Orange team. They might get 1 or 2 new playera because of the 2 tryouts but the Blue players really get screwed over by splitting into 2 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's true invited Capital players didn't have to pay. But it's also true this new system isn't really to benefit the Orange team. They might get 1 or 2 new playera because of the 2 tryouts but the Blue players really get screwed over by splitting into 2 teams.

That is not a 100% truth. You could say the talent is spread out for the "blue" teams. And I am sure this is the case year one. But there is tons of wasted talent on many of these lesser club teams in both states that would be better served on a Madlax team. Please do not bring up the money again. I know you want to.

Counting college commits seems to be a reach. If a program has bunches of kids committed to VMI, other 3rd tier programs, that is supposed to be a wow attraction. Not following that. The number of VLC and Blackwolf commits in face is high, the percentage of them going to lower tier programs is also high. Some lower tier D1 programs exist to attract full tuition paying families. Nothing wrong with kids making an academic choice to go to one of them, but to market it as a club lacrosse team nailing it for placements is pretty empty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Counting college commits seems to be a reach. If a program has bunches of kids committed to VMI, other 3rd tier programs, that is supposed to be a wow attraction. Not following that. The number of VLC and Blackwolf commits in face is high, the percentage of them going to lower tier programs is also high. Some lower tier D1 programs exist to attract full tuition paying families. Nothing wrong with kids making an academic choice to go to one of them, but to market it as a club lacrosse team nailing it for placements is pretty empty.

So you're saying that if a kid commits to a D1 school like VMI that you don't deem "worthy", it somehow diminishes that kid's accomplishment? If that's the school (D1 or otherwise) that a kid wants to go to, who are you to say it's not an accomplishment?

If you want to play that game, look at the Madlax 2015 list. I see names like St. Joe's, High Point, Denison, Tufts, Mary Washington, Ursinus, W&L, Colby, NJIT, Wooster, Queens, etc.

That team had 4 kids out of 16 that went to "brand name" schools. Are you going to tell those parents to their faces that their sons' commitment to those school is not worthy? Everyone on that list (or any college commit list) should be proud and given due respect. What a jerk you are.

The comment is aimed at clubs who market themselves foolishly like Madlax and VLC both. Bragging about kids going to nearly unheard of schools does make the programs look weak.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Counting college commits seems to be a reach. If a program has bunches of kids committed to VMI, other 3rd tier programs, that is supposed to be a wow attraction. Not following that. The number of VLC and Blackwolf commits in face is high, the percentage of them going to lower tier programs is also high. Some lower tier D1 programs exist to attract full tuition paying families. Nothing wrong with kids making an academic choice to go to one of them, but to market it as a club lacrosse team nailing it for placements is pretty empty.

I'll play. Here are where some of the Blackwolf 2016 kids are going:

Maryland
Cornell
Brown
Michigan
Drexel
Loyola
St. Joseph's
UMBC
Binghampton
High Point
Middlebury

Madlax 2016
Air Force
Dartmouth
Colgate
Vermont
Syracuse
Army
Trinity
Sewanee
Tufts
Colby
Mary Washington

You really want to diss Blackwolf's college commitments?

My beef is that some posters are constantly saying how VLC and Blackwolf have better HS programs, which simply is not true. Look at the numbers, each program is very close. Furthermore, if madlax's HS is so bad how is it that there are 3 madlax kids that made ty xander's top 50 sophomore list, two of which are in the top 10. Not too shabby for a sub par HS program. How many kids from Blackwolf and VLC, you ask? Zero!

If we're on the topic of quality placements, look at VLC's 2017 commitments:

Duke
Virginia
Yale
Georgetown
Cornell
West Point
Colgate
Maryland
High Point

Pretty good schools I'd say!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My beef is that some posters are constantly saying how VLC and Blackwolf have better HS programs, which simply is not true. Look at the numbers, each program is very close. Furthermore, if madlax's HS is so bad how is it that there are 3 madlax kids that made ty xander's top 50 sophomore list, two of which are in the top 10. Not too shabby for a sub par HS program. How many kids from Blackwolf and VLC, you ask? Zero!

How many Madlax 2016s made the cut? ZERO.

How many Madlax 2017s made the cut? ZERO.

You are slicing up stats to suit your agenda. If you look at the number of commits from 2014-2019, both BW and VLC have a lot more than Madlax. If Madlax is best for your family, then be happy with that. But don't try to create random stats that don't give a true picture.

Blackwolf has had so many more commits since 2014 than Madlax it's not even close.

Uh, it was a 2018 list. The 2016 and 2017 list haven't been published yet. Genius.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I only included the current high school teams, obviously the 2015 team doesn't exist anymore, but for kicks-and-giggles let's take a wider sample size - from 2012 to present, madlax with 79 d1 commits, vlc with 49. I think it is safe to say that, when it comes to getting kids committed to D1 programs, the Madlax HS program is equally as good as VLC and Blackwolf, if not better. Not trying to get into a virtual pissing match, just wanted to refute an inaccurate statement posted by the previous poster.

Believe someone already did the math.

Ok, let's keep bashing each other's program, costs, coaches and commits. All good stuff. But please keep Ty Xander's rankings out of any discussion of superiority. You all do know he gets paid by our clubs to write his blog and attend these tourneys. How do you all think he makes money, website advertising?

His list is a nice read and good entertainment, but please don't think for one minute there aren't kids out there in non-hotbed areas just as good as our "Ty ranked" players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we're on the topic of quality placements, look at VLC's 2017 commitments:

Duke
Virginia
Yale
Georgetown
Cornell
West Point
Colgate
Maryland
High Point

Pretty good schools I'd say!

How many of these kids from this list played 1 or more games in a Madlax uniform? I think this is the class that all left from the email crazy coach year. Is this correct?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My beef is that some posters are constantly saying how VLC and Blackwolf have better HS programs, which simply is not true. Look at the numbers, each program is very close. Furthermore, if madlax's HS is so bad how is it that there are 3 madlax kids that made ty xander's top 50 sophomore list, two of which are in the top 10. Not too shabby for a sub par HS program. How many kids from Blackwolf and VLC, you ask? Zero!

How many Madlax 2016s made the cut? ZERO.

How many Madlax 2017s made the cut? ZERO.

You are slicing up stats to suit your agenda. If you look at the number of commits from 2014-2019, both BW and VLC have a lot more than Madlax. If Madlax is best for your family, then be happy with that. But don't try to create random stats that don't give a true picture.

Blackwolf has had so many more commits since 2014 than Madlax it's not even close.

2016 and 2017 are the years the Madlax email came out? This push some of the best players to these teams. As you can see by the talent on Madlax 2018 and 2019 teams people are over the email and coming back to Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok, let's keep bashing each other's program, costs, coaches and commits. All good stuff. But please keep Ty Xander's rankings out of any discussion of superiority. You all do know he gets paid by our clubs to write his blog and attend these tourneys. How do you all think he makes money, website advertising?

His list is a nice read and good entertainment, but please don't think for one minute there aren't kids out there in non-hotbed areas just as good as our "Ty ranked" players.

I agree there seems to be a lean towards the big programs from the notheast. But I can count tons of West Coast Stars and kids from Texas programs that he puts on his list and writes about. The only way to vet his list is in 3 or 4 years people need to call out all the kids he did not write about that turn into studs. But I am guessing the hit or miss ratio will be the same as the high school basketbal and football list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok, let's keep bashing each other's program, costs, coaches and commits. All good stuff. But please keep Ty Xander's rankings out of any discussion of superiority. You all do know he gets paid by our clubs to write his blog and attend these tourneys. How do you all think he makes money, website advertising?

His list is a nice read and good entertainment, but please don't think for one minute there aren't kids out there in non-hotbed areas just as good as our "Ty ranked" players.

The reference was not meant to be a discussion of superiority but to simply clarify some of the misinformation that is being spewed about Madlax's HS teams. VLC's and Blackwolf's HS teams are great, I'm not disputing that, but in my opinion Madlax is right there with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we're on the topic of quality placements, look at VLC's 2017 commitments:

Duke
Virginia
Yale
Georgetown
Cornell
West Point
Colgate
Maryland
High Point

Pretty good schools I'd say!

How many of these kids from this list played 1 or more games in a Madlax uniform? I think this is the class that all left from the email crazy coach year. Is this correct?

2 kids on this list played for madlax. The kid in the email and another that followed (for other reasons), a year or so later.

Who do you think runs West Coast Stars, a former Crab. Who do you think runs Texas? Who flew Ty out to Minnesota.

Let's not be naive to think a guy flies across the country on his own dime.

Football and basketball have multiple outlets for ranking comparison sake. Lacrosse has one, and for that Ty is a genius. Not hating just explaining to those 2020 parents from non-proffering clubs as to why their kids aren't going to be ranked in 2 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who do you think runs West Coast Stars, a former Crab. Who do you think runs Texas? Who flew Ty out to Minnesota.

Let's not be naive to think a guy flies across the country on his own dime.

Football and basketball have multiple outlets for ranking comparison sake. Lacrosse has one, and for that Ty is a genius. Not hating just explaining to those 2020 parents from non-proffering clubs as to why their kids aren't going to be ranked in 2 years.

Cool thanks for the extra info. Can we find the oldest rankings list of any kind TY put out and see how well he did? I thought 3d website also did some form of Ranking lists?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we're on the topic of quality placements, look at VLC's 2017 commitments:

Duke
Virginia
Yale
Georgetown
Cornell
West Point
Colgate
Maryland
High Point

Pretty good schools I'd say!

How many of these kids from this list played 1 or more games in a Madlax uniform? I think this is the class that all left from the email crazy coach year. Is this correct?

2 kids on this list played for madlax. The kid in the email and another that followed (for other reasons), a year or so later.

So know looking back at the email. Maybe the Dad/kid who left Madlax left to go play with 5 or so other studs. That was the real reason for leaving. He just tried to use the yelling at my kid as a way out. Once again he just did not man up and tell the truth witch I am sure our crazy owner new.

Do Blackwolf's HS teams practice regularly? Or is it more of a model where they assemble an all-star team and they get together on Thursday and Friday before a tournament and do a practice or walkthough?

No criticism here. Just curious as a parent of a non-DMV player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My beef is that some posters are constantly saying how VLC and Blackwolf have better HS programs, which simply is not true. Look at the numbers, each program is very close. Furthermore, if madlax's HS is so bad how is it that there are 3 madlax kids that made ty xander's top 50 sophomore list, two of which are in the top 10. Not too shabby for a sub par HS program. How many kids from Blackwolf and VLC, you ask? Zero!

How many Madlax 2016s made the cut? ZERO.

How many Madlax 2017s made the cut? ZERO.

You are slicing up stats to suit your agenda. If you look at the number of commits from 2014-2019, both BW and VLC have a lot more than Madlax. If Madlax is best for your family, then be happy with that. But don't try to create random stats that don't give a true picture.

Blackwolf has had so many more commits since 2014 than Madlax it's not even close.

I think if you look closely at the 2017 Top 25 list you will see that Madlax did make the cut...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we're on the topic of quality placements, look at VLC's 2017 commitments:

Duke
Virginia
Yale
Georgetown
Cornell
West Point
Colgate
Maryland
High Point

Pretty good schools I'd say!

How many of these kids from this list played 1 or more games in a Madlax uniform? I think this is the class that all left from the email crazy coach year. Is this correct?

No, you are not correct. This list include 2 kids who used to play for Madlax. The rest either have been with VLC for years or joined VLC from a club other than Madlax.

But your general point is correct. Madlax loses a lot of players in HS. Either because they are fed up with him or the parents realize the cost is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we're on the topic of quality placements, look at VLC's 2017 commitments:

Duke
Virginia
Yale
Georgetown
Cornell
West Point
Colgate
Maryland
High Point

Pretty good schools I'd say!

How many of these kids from this list played 1 or more games in a Madlax uniform? I think this is the class that all left from the email crazy coach year. Is this correct?

2 kids on this list played for madlax. The kid in the email and another that followed (for other reasons), a year or so later.

So know looking back at the email. Maybe the Dad/kid who left Madlax left to go play with 5 or so other studs. That was the real reason for leaving. He just tried to use the yelling at my kid as a way out. Once again he just did not man up and tell the truth witch I am sure our crazy owner new.

The kid actually with VLC when it started and then went back to Madlax. Later on, he decided to go back to VLC. If the left because he wanted to play with some friends or he left because he wanted nothing more to do with the owner, does it really matter? Is he some kind of slave who is not allowed to decide what's best for him?

I guarantee VLC didn't threaten him when he first left VLC.

If you look at the commit counts and the ranked player counts coming from a very consolidated list of club programs, lacrosse recruiting looks absurd. There are good club teams that have 15-20 kids headed to Division one teams a year meaning they are populating nearly two entire division one programs as a club. VLC, Blackwolf, Madlax, Crabs, FCA. All have some good high school teams, but the notion that any of them have one team that "should" be placing more than 4 or 5 to high level division one programs seems like the greatest story ever sold. I would wage that there are public high school kids in both Loudon, Fairfax, Arlington, Montgomery counties that are equal to better recruits who just don't pay club freight to play on a club costing $2000, $4000 a year and then showcases, prospect days, etc etc. And fans of UNC and UVA wonder why those programs suck, and why Hopkins misses final fours for a decade. What's impressive about those Madlax BW and VLC lists posted here is how that got sold. I've seen the 2016 and 2017 teams at those three clubs many times. A few good players on each. Not 5, not 10 and certainly not 16. I guess that is the real edge for these clubs who are connected to sell recruits.

If you don't think any of those clubs have 5 or more good players on any of their teams, you are crazy.

Yes, maybe I am. BTW, did you play college and make All-American? Just me asking. I did. Maybe that makes me less the expert, which is fine. That's just my assessment. There are a lot of good players in those three programs in 2016 and 2017. More than 4 on any team I see any realistic chance of ever seeing the field? No. Club lacrosse has basically become a headhunting firm business getting these kids college jobs. I don't volunteer coach anymore for high school club teams. None of the players were interested in building skills, they and their parents just wanted to know if I could call coaches for them. 20 kids on every team think they're D1 in 9th grade. It's a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, maybe I am. BTW, did you play college and make All-American? Just me asking. I did. Maybe that makes me less the expert, which is fine. That's just my assessment. There are a lot of good players in those three programs in 2016 and 2017. More than 4 on any team I see any realistic chance of ever seeing the field? No. Club lacrosse has basically become a headhunting firm business getting these kids college jobs. I don't volunteer coach anymore for high school club teams. None of the players were interested in building skills, they and their parents just wanted to know if I could call coaches for them. 20 kids on every team think they're D1 in 9th grade. It's a joke.

Amen. As a parent on the sidelines at recruiting events I have personally seen my sons coach really "hyping " a particular player to a D1 program head coach and this player was good and a good athlete but not great and not better than several other kids on the team. It gave me a sick feeling. I actually wondered if money had changed hands. I know that sounds crazy. After the first half during which this "hyped" kid got a lot of playing time and essentially blew it, the coach walked over and said "well I guess my preview was a little off". I don't know whether the college coach was paying much attention to what the club coach was saying or not. I lost all respect for the club coach at that point. But this kid who is certainly good but not great ended up verbally committing to another D1 program within a couple of months. That is when I first realized that lacrosse recruiting is not necessarily based solely on merit. It will be interesting to see if this kid ends up actually playing for the program he committed to.

I have never been in involved in a sport (lacrosse) where everyone has such a expectation of being a college player. Overall a true lack of elite athletes playing the lacrosse game. For the most part they are good, but undersized athletes of upper middle class to wealthy kids excelling due to their parents means and lack of true athletic competition from the masses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, maybe I am. BTW, did you play college and make All-American? Just me asking. I did. Maybe that makes me less the expert, which is fine. That's just my assessment. There are a lot of good players in those three programs in 2016 and 2017. More than 4 on any team I see any realistic chance of ever seeing the field? No. Club lacrosse has basically become a headhunting firm business getting these kids college jobs. I don't volunteer coach anymore for high school club teams. None of the players were interested in building skills, they and their parents just wanted to know if I could call coaches for them. 20 kids on every team think they're D1 in 9th grade. It's a joke.

Ignorant

[quote=Anonymous]I have never been in involved in a sport (lacrosse) where everyone has such a expectation of being a college player. Overall a true lack of elite athletes playing the lacrosse game. For the most part they are good, but undersized athletes of upper middle class to wealthy kids excelling due to their parents means and lack of true athletic competition from the masses.

It sounds like you stopped following the sport in 1980, a lot has changed since then

Actually, that may be the best post yet in club lacrosse. Colleges that ignore the riff raff club guys and paid for ranking guys are cleaning up. Denver didn't even recruit the can't miss couple of kids from Colorado. Both are very highly ranked 2017 kids but neither of them would play at Denver. Most of the local 2016 and 2017 kids are about then same players they were as 16 year old freshmen. I guess you can also underwhelm for 6 months and miss the next 6 months with a wrecked knee and also be ranked which is pretty odd too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I have never been in involved in a sport (lacrosse) where everyone has such a expectation of being a college player. Overall a true lack of elite athletes playing the lacrosse game. For the most part they are good, but undersized athletes of upper middle class to wealthy kids excelling due to their parents means and lack of true athletic competition from the masses.

It sounds like you stopped following the sport in 1980, a lot has changed since then

Well I think there are more kids playing the game but overall still the same type of kid playing the game. If you look at a football field or a basketball court and compare its not even close. I will give you a increase of 15% better athletes compared to the 80'S.
But lacrosse is still what I would call a skill sport. If you put in the time with practice you can become an above avg player and not be a great athlete.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I have never been in involved in a sport (lacrosse) where everyone has such a expectation of being a college player. Overall a true lack of elite athletes playing the lacrosse game. For the most part they are good, but undersized athletes of upper middle class to wealthy kids excelling due to their parents means and lack of true athletic competition from the masses.

It sounds like you stopped following the sport in 1980, a lot has changed since then

Well I think there are more kids playing the game but overall still the same type of kid playing the game. If you look at a football field or a basketball court and compare its not even close. I will give you a increase of 15% better athletes compared to the 80'S.
But lacrosse is still what I would call a skill sport. If you put in the time with practice you can become an above avg player and not be a great athlete.

Being a top 10 tennis player means being able to afford going to a tennis academy and spending $100K a year on instruction and events. Being a top 10 at skiing is close to the same. There are alpine prep schools now. Ditto equestrian. Lacrosse isn't as hysterical in terms of those costs, but the PP is correct. The college rosters today are mostly clogged with wealthier class white kids who'd never be a collegiate athlete in a more widely competed sport. Look at the athletes in division 1 soccer, basketball, football, swimming, etc. Sports where you're not having kids smoked out of the sport for not being able to pay large amounts and sports that are competed in all 50 states by millions of kids. A division 1 athlete in those sports is just that. A division 1 lacrosse player is at least in part a kid whose parents were able to underwrite the privileged pass through all this club, prep school and showcase crap. I mean sure, these kids do practice up and get their passions pointed into a sport but let's not fail to acknowledge the reality. It's a sport parents and other enablers pay for and fix for kids who are enabled all the way through.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My beef is that some posters are constantly saying how VLC and Blackwolf have better HS programs, which simply is not true. Look at the numbers, each program is very close. Furthermore, if madlax's HS is so bad how is it that there are 3 madlax kids that made ty xander's top 50 sophomore list, two of which are in the top 10. Not too shabby for a sub par HS program. How many kids from Blackwolf and VLC, you ask? Zero!

That would assume that what Ty Xanders says actually means anything, I wouldn't hang my hat on that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok, let's keep bashing each other's program, costs, coaches and commits. All good stuff. But please keep Ty Xander's rankings out of any discussion of superiority. You all do know he gets paid by our clubs to write his blog and attend these tourneys. How do you all think he makes money, website advertising?

His list is a nice read and good entertainment, but please don't think for one minute there aren't kids out there in non-hotbed areas just as good as our "Ty ranked" players.

Well said - Ty Xanders opinions should be taken in stride, but they are just that, clearly influenced by his funding sources as well...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I have never been in involved in a sport (lacrosse) where everyone has such a expectation of being a college player. Overall a true lack of elite athletes playing the lacrosse game. For the most part they are good, but undersized athletes of upper middle class to wealthy kids excelling due to their parents means and lack of true athletic competition from the masses.

It sounds like you stopped following the sport in 1980, a lot has changed since then

Well I think there are more kids playing the game but overall still the same type of kid playing the game. If you look at a football field or a basketball court and compare its not even close. I will give you a increase of 15% better athletes compared to the 80'S.
But lacrosse is still what I would call a skill sport. If you put in the time with practice you can become an above avg player and not be a great athlete.

Being a top 10 tennis player means being able to afford going to a tennis academy and spending $100K a year on instruction and events. Being a top 10 at skiing is close to the same. There are alpine prep schools now. Ditto equestrian. Lacrosse isn't as hysterical in terms of those costs, but the PP is correct. The college rosters today are mostly clogged with wealthier class white kids who'd never be a collegiate athlete in a more widely competed sport. Look at the athletes in division 1 soccer, basketball, football, swimming, etc. Sports where you're not having kids smoked out of the sport for not being able to pay large amounts and sports that are competed in all 50 states by millions of kids. A division 1 athlete in those sports is just that. A division 1 lacrosse player is at least in part a kid whose parents were able to underwrite the privileged pass through all this club, prep school and showcase crap. I mean sure, these kids do practice up and get their passions pointed into a sport but let's not fail to acknowledge the reality. It's a sport parents and other enablers pay for and fix for kids who are enabled all the way through.

You are partially correct and partially incorrect. Every competitive sport you mentioned - lacrosse, football, swimming, basketball, etc. - has kids who are getting seen because of the fact that their parents are able to afford recruiting and special training to give their child higher visibility, get them into a top D1 program, and possibly a professional career. There are also many more kids who are better football players, basketball players, swimmers, and likely lacrosse players who will NEVER be seen or recruited because they don't have the means or connections. The only certainly in athletics is that there is ALWAYS SOMEONE BETTER THAN YOU - no matter WHAT sport you play. If you believe anything otherwise, you're a fool. I can GUARANTEE you that if you take a top program D1 middie, he will run CIRCLES athletically around many D1 football players, quicker and faster on and off the field, with much more stamina. To call accomplished lacrosse players "non-athletes" is simply ignorant. Find me a football player or basketball player or swimmer that can get out on the field with Kyle Harrison/Paul Rabil/Greg Gurenlian/you fill in the blank and even run with them the whole game, let alone have the hand/eye quickness and coordination to pass, catch, and shoot a ball at 90 miles an hour with guys hammering you with sticks - there isn't one. Conversely, I'm betting that those guys could get out on the football field, basketball court, or in the pool and ball and swim with the best of them. They aren't athletes? You're absolutely insane.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I have never been in involved in a sport (lacrosse) where everyone has such a expectation of being a college player. Overall a true lack of elite athletes playing the lacrosse game. For the most part they are good, but undersized athletes of upper middle class to wealthy kids excelling due to their parents means and lack of true athletic competition from the masses.

It sounds like you stopped following the sport in 1980, a lot has changed since then

Well I think there are more kids playing the game but overall still the same type of kid playing the game. If you look at a football field or a basketball court and compare its not even close. I will give you a increase of 15% better athletes compared to the 80'S.
But lacrosse is still what I would call a skill sport. If you put in the time with practice you can become an above avg player and not be a great athlete.

Being a top 10 tennis player means being able to afford going to a tennis academy and spending $100K a year on instruction and events. Being a top 10 at skiing is close to the same. There are alpine prep schools now. Ditto equestrian. Lacrosse isn't as hysterical in terms of those costs, but the PP is correct. The college rosters today are mostly clogged with wealthier class white kids who'd never be a collegiate athlete in a more widely competed sport. Look at the athletes in division 1 soccer, basketball, football, swimming, etc. Sports where you're not having kids smoked out of the sport for not being able to pay large amounts and sports that are competed in all 50 states by millions of kids. A division 1 athlete in those sports is just that. A division 1 lacrosse player is at least in part a kid whose parents were able to underwrite the privileged pass through all this club, prep school and showcase crap. I mean sure, these kids do practice up and get their passions pointed into a sport but let's not fail to acknowledge the reality. It's a sport parents and other enablers pay for and fix for kids who are enabled all the way through.

You are partially correct and partially incorrect. Every competitive sport you mentioned - lacrosse, football, swimming, basketball, etc. - has kids who are getting seen because of the fact that their parents are able to afford recruiting and special training to give their child higher visibility, get them into a top D1 program, and possibly a professional career. There are also many more kids who are better football players, basketball players, swimmers, and likely lacrosse players who will NEVER be seen or recruited because they don't have the means or connections. The only certainly in athletics is that there is ALWAYS SOMEONE BETTER THAN YOU - no matter WHAT sport you play. If you believe anything otherwise, you're a fool. I can GUARANTEE you that if you take a top program D1 middie, he will run CIRCLES athletically around many D1 football players, quicker and faster on and off the field, with much more stamina. To call accomplished lacrosse players "non-athletes" is simply ignorant. Find me a football player or basketball player or swimmer that can get out on the field with Kyle Harrison/Paul Rabil/Greg Gurenlian/you fill in the blank and even run with them the whole game, let alone have the hand/eye quickness and coordination to pass, catch, and shoot a ball at 90 miles an hour with guys hammering you with sticks - there isn't one. Conversely, I'm betting that those guys could get out on the football field, basketball court, or in the pool and ball and swim with the best of them. They aren't athletes? You're absolutely insane.

I am guessing people are not talking about the top 10% of the D1 lacrosse players. But what we are saying is if you take the 125th player on a D1 team and put him up to a 2nd line Middie. of a D1 lacrosse team the football player would put him to shame.

I am guessing people are not talking about the top 10% of the D1 lacrosse players. But what we are saying is if you take the 125th player on a D1 team and put him up to a 2nd line Middie. of a D1 lacrosse team the football player would put him to shame. [/quote]

Huh?

I think what the prior poster wrote implied that there are some very elite athletes in all sports, lacrosse included. The difference would be the next tiers of players, the next decile through the last decile, you'd find that the last tiers of d1 football teams for example have great athletes. The next tiers of lacrosse, you'll find very average athletes whose parent's debit cards always worked to help pay the freight to get them there. If you took the third middie line at even a UVA or a UNC and put it against the third string or scout team of the football team at UVA and UNC, it would be an absolute joke and the football guys would mop the floor in any athletic measurement contest...combine drills, timed running over different distances, weights or body weight endurance tests, etc. And UVA and UNC have great lacrosse programs but lousy football programs. You'd still see a very stark difference. I'd agree with the concept completely having kids in different sports and having been a college athlete as well. In some of the prep school sports, you can easily get away with being skilled at the games but also be a mediocre athlete. It is silly to even debate that.

You are partially correct and partially incorrect. Every competitive sport you mentioned - lacrosse, football, swimming, basketball, etc. - has kids who are getting seen because of the fact that their parents are able to afford recruiting and special training to give their child higher visibility, get them into a top D1 program, and possibly a professional career. There are also many more kids who are better football players, basketball players, swimmers, and likely lacrosse players who will NEVER be seen or recruited because they don't have the means or connections. The only certainly in athletics is that there is ALWAYS SOMEONE BETTER THAN YOU - no matter WHAT sport you play. If you believe anything otherwise, you're a fool. I can GUARANTEE you that if you take a top program D1 middie, he will run CIRCLES athletically around many D1 football players, quicker and faster on and off the field, with much more stamina. To call accomplished lacrosse players "non-athletes" is simply ignorant. Find me a football player or basketball player or swimmer that can get out on the field with Kyle Harrison/Paul Rabil/Greg Gurenlian/you fill in the blank and even run with them the whole game, let alone have the hand/eye quickness and coordination to pass, catch, and shoot a ball at 90 miles an hour with guys hammering you with sticks - there isn't one. Conversely, I'm betting that those guys could get out on the football field, basketball court, or in the pool and ball and swim with the best of them. They aren't athletes? You're absolutely insane. [/quote]

Well, you're way off there. Elite basketball players don't pay for a thing down to their shoes if they are in the top groups and are going to the combine camps. And if they go to those things and can't hang on, the club coach and parent can't just sign them up or appoint them again -- they get dropped. Soccer is like that too. Swimming, well, there you are totally off. Our daughter swims for Nations Capital in the same training group pool as Katie Ledecky. Not in the same lane mind you. Swimming costs $1000-$1500 a year in club dues and yes there are expenses to go to nationals. The main difference between swimming and lacrosse is the #3 or #6 ranked lacrosse recruit is just an assigned rating. The #3 swimmer or the #6 swimmer is exactly that according to her times. You can't phony it up and get recruited by UVA in swimming: you have to be national or world class and to do that you have to go swim with sharks at nationals and make at least the top 16 semi finals competing against current collegiate athletes and post grad Olympians. Do you realize how insanely accomplished you'd need to be against more than a million kids in your grade, including internationals, to get recruited to Texas or Georgia or UVA to swim? It is so hard that the comparible would be one Baltimore Crab gets recruited to Hopkins every third year. That is how big the difference is in being good enough in lacrosse versus being good enough in a real deep diverse and hugely populated sport with zillions of great athletes.

Try telling me Michael Phelps and Katie Ledecky are not two of the 20 greatest athletes of all time, not just swimming, all sports all time. To compare what Paul Rabil did in lacrosse (one NCAA championship, a couple MLL ones, some MVPs) to what Phelps or Ledecky have done and you'd look like a total ignorant fool.

I think your notion that some D1 football players couldn't drop Kyle Harrison or Paul Rabil is a bit silly too. Those are two great lacrosse athletes, and a better way of putting your analogy is if you put Harrison and Rabil out there on UMD's practice field in football with the linebackers, MAYBE they'd hold on and hold together. Take any 10 random lacrosse players on UMD's lacrosse team today and do the same, put them on the UMD football practice field, I rather doubt you'd see more than 2 or 3 who didn't look ridiculously outclassed right away.

100% Correct!

The comparison to swimming is pretty amusing to me. I'm from Nowheresville, USA, but I have a bunch of friends who swam for high D-I schools and they hardly know what to make of all the lacrosse talk. "The clock don't lie" is what they like to say about youth sports politics. My daughter swam year-round for a few years for the top local club and I know the crowd.

Funny thing is that lots of parents in my area think their kids can play lax in college and almost none will. Meanwhile, the swim club gets a ton of their kids scholarships EVERY YEAR and they have a bunch coming up that will do even better (i.e., 14 year olds qualifying for Olympic trials).

I'm not sure the swimmers in my area started out as more "elite" athletes though. (And, yes, I've coached more than one kid in lax who set state swimming records.) They just put in a shocking amount of hours in the pool. Good for them and they like it.

Anyway, I'm not disagreeing with your point. I just happen to be one reader where my town is upside down. It's almost certain that I'll have coached more eventual high DI swimmers in U11 lacrosse than I will eventual high DI laxers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are partially correct and partially incorrect. Every competitive sport you mentioned - lacrosse, football, swimming, basketball, etc. - has kids who are getting seen because of the fact that their parents are able to afford recruiting and special training to give their child higher visibility, get them into a top D1 program, and possibly a professional career. There are also many more kids who are better football players, basketball players, swimmers, and likely lacrosse players who will NEVER be seen or recruited because they don't have the means or connections. The only certainly in athletics is that there is ALWAYS SOMEONE BETTER THAN YOU - no matter WHAT sport you play. If you believe anything otherwise, you're a fool. I can GUARANTEE you that if you take a top program D1 middie, he will run CIRCLES athletically around many D1 football players, quicker and faster on and off the field, with much more stamina. To call accomplished lacrosse players "non-athletes" is simply ignorant. Find me a football player or basketball player or swimmer that can get out on the field with Kyle Harrison/Paul Rabil/Greg Gurenlian/you fill in the blank and even run with them the whole game, let alone have the hand/eye quickness and coordination to pass, catch, and shoot a ball at 90 miles an hour with guys hammering you with sticks - there isn't one. Conversely, I'm betting that those guys could get out on the football field, basketball court, or in the pool and ball and swim with the best of them. They aren't athletes? You're absolutely insane.

Well, you're way off there. Elite basketball players don't pay for a thing down to their shoes if they are in the top groups and are going to the combine camps. And if they go to those things and can't hang on, the club coach and parent can't just sign them up or appoint them again -- they get dropped. Soccer is like that too. Swimming, well, there you are totally off. Our daughter swims for Nations Capital in the same training group pool as Katie Ledecky. Not in the same lane mind you. Swimming costs $1000-$1500 a year in club dues and yes there are expenses to go to nationals. The main difference between swimming and lacrosse is the #3 or #6 ranked lacrosse recruit is just an assigned rating. The #3 swimmer or the #6 swimmer is exactly that according to her times. You can't phony it up and get recruited by UVA in swimming: you have to be national or world class and to do that you have to go swim with sharks at nationals and make at least the top 16 semi finals competing against current collegiate athletes and post grad Olympians. Do you realize how insanely accomplished you'd need to be against more than a million kids in your grade, including internationals, to get recruited to Texas or Georgia or UVA to swim? It is so hard that the comparible would be one Baltimore Crab gets recruited to Hopkins every third year. That is how big the difference is in being good enough in lacrosse versus being good enough in a real deep diverse and hugely populated sport with zillions of great athletes.

Try telling me Michael Phelps and Katie Ledecky are not two of the 20 greatest athletes of all time, not just swimming, all sports all time. To compare what Paul Rabil did in lacrosse (one NCAA championship, a couple MLL ones, some MVPs) to what Phelps or Ledecky have done and you'd look like a total ignorant fool.

I think your notion that some D1 football players couldn't drop Kyle Harrison or Paul Rabil is a bit silly too. Those are two great lacrosse athletes, and a better way of putting your analogy is if you put Harrison and Rabil out there on UMD's practice field in football with the linebackers, MAYBE they'd hold on and hold together. Take any 10 random lacrosse players on UMD's lacrosse team today and do the same, put them on the UMD football practice field, I rather doubt you'd see more than 2 or 3 who didn't look ridiculously outclassed right away. [/quote]

You're clueless. No one said anything about "dropping" anyone - if you look at the 99th player on any worthy D1 football team, in most cases they are a 300+lb DT, and yes, I'm sure they could "drop" anyone who weighs 100+ lbs less - that is not what the initial discussion was about. It also was not about which football player could play better lacrosse or vice versa - that's apples and oranges.

Let's go through your post:

- what does the fact that elite basketball players not having to pay for anything do with them being great athletes? Or soccer? I know a LOT of parents who aspire to have their kids be D1 basketball, baseball, football, soccer, and swimming, and they pay a LOT of $$ for private schools, camps, clubs, and the like for their kids, who are good, not great, every year. And somehow they are able to have their kids there year after year, because they can afford it. The two are unrelated, though - they will never make it all the way.

- as for swimming, you're saying it costs money (shocker) and you can afford to pay it, and your daughter swimming with her apparently implies that she is a good swimmer also, which is great. Unfortunately, it's not all that exciting to watch, and while Michael Phelps and Katie Ledecky are certainly fantastic swimmers, I cannot speak to how they throw a football, pass a lacrosse ball, or dunk a basketball. My guess is though, probably not exceptionally well - again, you're comparing apples and oranges. I'm pretty positive that Michael Phelps could not sink a goal on Scotty Rodgers, though. but what I am telling you is, NO - Michael Phelps and Katie Ledecky are NOT two of the greatest athletes of all sports of all time, because they are SWIMMERS. Also, Paul Rabil is NOT one of the greatest athetes of ALL SPORTS OF ALL TIME, because he is a PROFESSIONAL LACROSSE PLAYER.

What I will say is that those D1 players train hard - REALLY HARD. Lacrosse is a game which requires incredible stamina, quickness, hand eye coordination, mental acuity, and IQ. Bottom line is, in football, if you're a lineman, you pretty much have one job. Yeah, you have to occasionally play both offense and defense, but generally one thing. Same with a kicker. in swimming, you swim. In soccer, you do need IQ and stamina and quickness. Same in basketball. The difference is, in lacrosse, EVERYONE on the field needs to be fast, be smart, be alert, be physical, be quick, have IQ, and EVERYONE TOUCHES THE BALL. You just simply cannot compare it to other sports - put it this way, every kid can (and does) play soccer, swim, shoot hoops, and play pickup football and baseball. EVERYONE CAN DO ALL OF THEM - maybe not at a D1 level, but they can - toss a soccer ball out, everyone can play a pickup game, even 3 year olds. My 5 year old jumps in a pool, she swims. Toss a lacrosse stick in your kid's hand, and tell them to run down the field, pass, catch, and shoot, good luck - trust me, I run clinics, so you can't argue with me, I know firsthand. Give credit where credit is due, lacrosse players are athletes. If you don't believe it, what the heck are you doing trolling a lax forum anyways??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I have never been in involved in a sport (lacrosse) where everyone has such a expectation of being a college player. Overall a true lack of elite athletes playing the lacrosse game. For the most part they are good, but undersized athletes of upper middle class to wealthy kids excelling due to their parents means and lack of true athletic competition from the masses.

It sounds like you stopped following the sport in 1980, a lot has changed since then

Well I think there are more kids playing the game but overall still the same type of kid playing the game. If you look at a football field or a basketball court and compare its not even close. I will give you a increase of 15% better athletes compared to the 80'S.
But lacrosse is still what I would call a skill sport. If you put in the time with practice you can become an above avg player and not be a great athlete.

Being a top 10 tennis player means being able to afford going to a tennis academy and spending $100K a year on instruction and events. Being a top 10 at skiing is close to the same. There are alpine prep schools now. Ditto equestrian. Lacrosse isn't as hysterical in terms of those costs, but the PP is correct. The college rosters today are mostly clogged with wealthier class white kids who'd never be a collegiate athlete in a more widely competed sport. Look at the athletes in division 1 soccer, basketball, football, swimming, etc. Sports where you're not having kids smoked out of the sport for not being able to pay large amounts and sports that are competed in all 50 states by millions of kids. A division 1 athlete in those sports is just that. A division 1 lacrosse player is at least in part a kid whose parents were able to underwrite the privileged pass through all this club, prep school and showcase crap. I mean sure, these kids do practice up and get their passions pointed into a sport but let's not fail to acknowledge the reality. It's a sport parents and other enablers pay for and fix for kids who are enabled all the way through.

You are partially correct and partially incorrect. Every competitive sport you mentioned - lacrosse, football, swimming, basketball, etc. - has kids who are getting seen because of the fact that their parents are able to afford recruiting and special training to give their child higher visibility, get them into a top D1 program, and possibly a professional career. There are also many more kids who are better football players, basketball players, swimmers, and likely lacrosse players who will NEVER be seen or recruited because they don't have the means or connections. The only certainly in athletics is that there is ALWAYS SOMEONE BETTER THAN YOU - no matter WHAT sport you play. If you believe anything otherwise, you're a fool. I can GUARANTEE you that if you take a top program D1 middie, he will run CIRCLES athletically around many D1 football players, quicker and faster on and off the field, with much more stamina. To call accomplished lacrosse players "non-athletes" is simply ignorant. Find me a football player or basketball player or swimmer that can get out on the field with Kyle Harrison/Paul Rabil/Greg Gurenlian/you fill in the blank and even run with them the whole game, let alone have the hand/eye quickness and coordination to pass, catch, and shoot a ball at 90 miles an hour with guys hammering you with sticks - there isn't one. Conversely, I'm betting that those guys could get out on the football field, basketball court, or in the pool and ball and swim with the best of them. They aren't athletes? You're absolutely insane.

I am guessing people are not talking about the top 10% of the D1 lacrosse players. But what we are saying is if you take the 125th player on a D1 team and put him up to a 2nd line Middie. of a D1 lacrosse team the football player would put him to shame.

Let's pull this thread - we'll take the Greg Gilmore, 99th player on LSU, who is a 6'4" 313 lb DT, and Matt Lane, a 2nd string, 6'7" 244 lb attack at Syracuse. Matt was a U.S. Lacrosse All-American, and he also played soccer and basketball, with back-to-back state titles and posted 52 career shutouts as the goalkeeper for the Montclair Kimberley soccer team. Oh, and he also scored more than 900 points and pulled down over 1,000 rebounds in his basketball career. Greg, on the other hand, well, he played football. Oh, and he also played football. Matt runs a 40 in 4.7 seconds, Greg in 4.9. Understand this - you can look at many/most of the top D1 lacrosse team rosters, and find similar stories - multi-sport athletes, excelling in all that they play, choosing lacrosse but also having other choices available. It's a foolish statement to say that "lacrosse players are just average athletes", and makes you sound ignorant. BTW - Syracuse Lax also has roster members who were all star swimmers, first team all-state football and all-America players, etc., and that's just one D1 club. Do your research before you speak...

What does all of these have to do with Madlax? Are they going to continue to cheat and have kids who play a grade down (not reclassed ones, one's who are actually in an older grade)?

One interesting fact is that there were players that showed up on multiple rosters with different placements - Madlax, VLC and Crabs. I think people took placements in order Crabs, VLC and Madlax. It will be interesting to see how the Madlax restructure develops.

I noticed that the Capital tournaments are not published as the Orange tournaments were in the past. I guess he has to evaluate what the level of talent is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are partially correct and partially incorrect. Every competitive sport you mentioned - lacrosse, football, swimming, basketball, etc. - has kids who are getting seen because of the fact that their parents are able to afford recruiting and special training to give their child higher visibility, get them into a top D1 program, and possibly a professional career. There are also many more kids who are better football players, basketball players, swimmers, and likely lacrosse players who will NEVER be seen or recruited because they don't have the means or connections. The only certainly in athletics is that there is ALWAYS SOMEONE BETTER THAN YOU - no matter WHAT sport you play. If you believe anything otherwise, you're a fool. I can GUARANTEE you that if you take a top program D1 middie, he will run CIRCLES athletically around many D1 football players, quicker and faster on and off the field, with much more stamina. To call accomplished lacrosse players "non-athletes" is simply ignorant. Find me a football player or basketball player or swimmer that can get out on the field with Kyle Harrison/Paul Rabil/Greg Gurenlian/you fill in the blank and even run with them the whole game, let alone have the hand/eye quickness and coordination to pass, catch, and shoot a ball at 90 miles an hour with guys hammering you with sticks - there isn't one. Conversely, I'm betting that those guys could get out on the football field, basketball court, or in the pool and ball and swim with the best of them. They aren't athletes? You're absolutely insane.

Well, you're way off there. Elite basketball players don't pay for a thing down to their shoes if they are in the top groups and are going to the combine camps. And if they go to those things and can't hang on, the club coach and parent can't just sign them up or appoint them again -- they get dropped. Soccer is like that too. Swimming, well, there you are totally off. Our daughter swims for Nations Capital in the same training group pool as Katie Ledecky. Not in the same lane mind you. Swimming costs $1000-$1500 a year in club dues and yes there are expenses to go to nationals. The main difference between swimming and lacrosse is the #3 or #6 ranked lacrosse recruit is just an assigned rating. The #3 swimmer or the #6 swimmer is exactly that according to her times. You can't phony it up and get recruited by UVA in swimming: you have to be national or world class and to do that you have to go swim with sharks at nationals and make at least the top 16 semi finals competing against current collegiate athletes and post grad Olympians. Do you realize how insanely accomplished you'd need to be against more than a million kids in your grade, including internationals, to get recruited to Texas or Georgia or UVA to swim? It is so hard that the comparible would be one Baltimore Crab gets recruited to Hopkins every third year. That is how big the difference is in being good enough in lacrosse versus being good enough in a real deep diverse and hugely populated sport with zillions of great athletes.

Try telling me Michael Phelps and Katie Ledecky are not two of the 20 greatest athletes of all time, not just swimming, all sports all time. To compare what Paul Rabil did in lacrosse (one NCAA championship, a couple MLL ones, some MVPs) to what Phelps or Ledecky have done and you'd look like a total ignorant fool.

I think your notion that some D1 football players couldn't drop Kyle Harrison or Paul Rabil is a bit silly too. Those are two great lacrosse athletes, and a better way of putting your analogy is if you put Harrison and Rabil out there on UMD's practice field in football with the linebackers, MAYBE they'd hold on and hold together. Take any 10 random lacrosse players on UMD's lacrosse team today and do the same, put them on the UMD football practice field, I rather doubt you'd see more than 2 or 3 who didn't look ridiculously outclassed right away. [/quote]

Interesting discussion. Could part of the issue be with relative size of D1 lax players vs. D1 football players? What mean is, you can be a great athlete with the speed and hand-eye coordination and IQ but just not have the size you need to play D1 football so you play D1 lacrosse instead? Isn't one of the reasons people think lacrosse is an inferior sport is that the kids who succeed in it are not necessarily the biggest athletes? Or am I off base?

Somebody actually scoured rosters of lacrosse teams and found one kid at Syracuse who is large in stature and played other sports at a high level. M'kay. I did look at Duke, UVA and UNC rosters for multi sport wonders and saw a few kids who were recruited athletes in other sports (Fersen and French at UVA are the two at UVA). The rest looked like as predicted. Lots of kids who had some varsity letters in some things but were mostly just lacrosse players, who also happen to be nearly all white from prep schools. The bar isn't very high to light it up as a football player at Potomac School bud.

I see what you did to also scour for one college football player who is a down lineman. Stay on the grid here. Name one UMD or UVA or UNC football linebacker, defensive back, or offensive skill player or end who doesn't run like a deer and isn't the one who has those gifts that one Syracuse lacrosse player and perhaps 2-3 total UVA ones do.

BTW, yes, catching and throwing a ball into a crosse is easier than hitting a 95 mph fastball or a 75 mph curveball, it is easier than swimming underwater for 15 meters, it is easier than controlling a hockey puck at high speeds while skating 25mph, and it is a lot easier than catching a football over the middle with 250 pound guys who can run a 4.4 three steps away from driving you into next week. Catching and throwing a lacrosse ball is easier than all of those things, and hitting basically does not exist in lacrosse today. In terms of skill, lacrosse is closest to tennis or squash given the size of the instrument used to control play versus the size of the ball. And something tells me you don't think Serena Williams is a better athlete than some D1 lacrosse player or Paul Rabil even, which is also stupid. Serena Williams is one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in any sport as well.

I get it you think Michael Phelps isn't one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in all sports. That pretty much speaks to how little you get out of the lacrosse globe to see what else there is. You make is sound like some schmoe from Bullis or PVI who is a Ty Xanders ranked recruit is a real deal athlete, and frankly that is a joke in of itself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody actually scoured rosters of lacrosse teams and found one kid at Syracuse who is large in stature and played other sports at a high level. M'kay. I did look at Duke, UVA and UNC rosters for multi sport wonders and saw a few kids who were recruited athletes in other sports (Fersen and French at UVA are the two at UVA). The rest looked like as predicted. Lots of kids who had some varsity letters in some things but were mostly just lacrosse players, who also happen to be nearly all white from prep schools. The bar isn't very high to light it up as a football player at Potomac School bud.

I see what you did to also scour for one college football player who is a down lineman. Stay on the grid here. Name one UMD or UVA or UNC football linebacker, defensive back, or offensive skill player or end who doesn't run like a deer and isn't the one who has those gifts that one Syracuse lacrosse player and perhaps 2-3 total UVA ones do.

BTW, yes, catching and throwing a ball into a crosse is easier than hitting a 95 mph fastball or a 75 mph curveball, it is easier than swimming underwater for 15 meters, it is easier than controlling a hockey puck at high speeds while skating 25mph, and it is a lot easier than catching a football over the middle with 250 pound guys who can run a 4.4 three steps away from driving you into next week. Catching and throwing a lacrosse ball is easier than all of those things, and hitting basically does not exist in lacrosse today. In terms of skill, lacrosse is closest to tennis or squash given the size of the instrument used to control play versus the size of the ball. And something tells me you don't think Serena Williams is a better athlete than some D1 lacrosse player or Paul Rabil even, which is also stupid. Serena Williams is one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in any sport as well.

I get it you think Michael Phelps isn't one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in all sports. That pretty much speaks to how little you get out of the lacrosse globe to see what else there is. You make is sound like some schmoe from Bullis or PVI who is a Ty Xanders ranked recruit is a real deal athlete, and frankly that is a joke in of itself.

So off topic, but I'll bite - first question, why are you on a lacrosse forum if you don't consider lacrosse an athletic sport? Second, clearly you're not a lacrosse athlete - that's abundantly clear. And third, you're simply wrong - it's not easier than swimming, it's not easier than baseball, and it's not easier than football. It's also not comparable to tennis. It's simply different. What's easier, painting a Picasso, or composing a symphony? Neither - you're an idiot to try and compare them. Ty Xanders is an idiot, and his rankings are BS and a joke, but that's not the discussion here anyway - no one gives a crap about his rankings and if you do, you're a moron. The discussion point is that you and others are saying that D1 lacrosse athletes are not athletes at all, and frankly that makes you sound like the idiot. I'm sure that you'd claim that you'd happily stand there while any D1 attackman fires off a 100 mph shot at you in goal and not pee your Depends, but I think we all know that's not true. Change out of your cargoes and Reefs, jump on the lacrosse field, and run with the big dogs for a game and see how you do. And spare me the BS story that I know it coming claiming that "I was a starter at UMD so I know the sport" - you weren't, so don't even bother lying ;-)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody actually scoured rosters of lacrosse teams and found one kid at Syracuse who is large in stature and played other sports at a high level. M'kay. I did look at Duke, UVA and UNC rosters for multi sport wonders and saw a few kids who were recruited athletes in other sports (Fersen and French at UVA are the two at UVA). The rest looked like as predicted. Lots of kids who had some varsity letters in some things but were mostly just lacrosse players, who also happen to be nearly all white from prep schools. The bar isn't very high to light it up as a football player at Potomac School bud.

I see what you did to also scour for one college football player who is a down lineman. Stay on the grid here. Name one UMD or UVA or UNC football linebacker, defensive back, or offensive skill player or end who doesn't run like a deer and isn't the one who has those gifts that one Syracuse lacrosse player and perhaps 2-3 total UVA ones do.

BTW, yes, catching and throwing a ball into a crosse is easier than hitting a 95 mph fastball or a 75 mph curveball, it is easier than swimming underwater for 15 meters, it is easier than controlling a hockey puck at high speeds while skating 25mph, and it is a lot easier than catching a football over the middle with 250 pound guys who can run a 4.4 three steps away from driving you into next week. Catching and throwing a lacrosse ball is easier than all of those things, and hitting basically does not exist in lacrosse today. In terms of skill, lacrosse is closest to tennis or squash given the size of the instrument used to control play versus the size of the ball. And something tells me you don't think Serena Williams is a better athlete than some D1 lacrosse player or Paul Rabil even, which is also stupid. Serena Williams is one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in any sport as well.

I get it you think Michael Phelps isn't one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in all sports. That pretty much speaks to how little you get out of the lacrosse globe to see what else there is. You make is sound like some schmoe from Bullis or PVI who is a Ty Xanders ranked recruit is a real deal athlete, and frankly that is a joke in of itself.

Who really cares about swimming? So damn boring. Ty is a joke, and no one cares about PVI or Bullis either. But, lacrosse is intense and fun to watch, and no one goes to sleep watching it. No one cares about Phelps either - roll another blunt and go watch a rerun of the Olympics...

Posted this on another thread but maybe should go here: are there any other organizations with a little more credibility than Ty Xanders that do lacrosse player rankings?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody actually scoured rosters of lacrosse teams and found one kid at Syracuse who is large in stature and played other sports at a high level. M'kay. I did look at Duke, UVA and UNC rosters for multi sport wonders and saw a few kids who were recruited athletes in other sports (Fersen and French at UVA are the two at UVA). The rest looked like as predicted. Lots of kids who had some varsity letters in some things but were mostly just lacrosse players, who also happen to be nearly all white from prep schools. The bar isn't very high to light it up as a football player at Potomac School bud.

I see what you did to also scour for one college football player who is a down lineman. Stay on the grid here. Name one UMD or UVA or UNC football linebacker, defensive back, or offensive skill player or end who doesn't run like a deer and isn't the one who has those gifts that one Syracuse lacrosse player and perhaps 2-3 total UVA ones do.

BTW, yes, catching and throwing a ball into a crosse is easier than hitting a 95 mph fastball or a 75 mph curveball, it is easier than swimming underwater for 15 meters, it is easier than controlling a hockey puck at high speeds while skating 25mph, and it is a lot easier than catching a football over the middle with 250 pound guys who can run a 4.4 three steps away from driving you into next week. Catching and throwing a lacrosse ball is easier than all of those things, and hitting basically does not exist in lacrosse today. In terms of skill, lacrosse is closest to tennis or squash given the size of the instrument used to control play versus the size of the ball. And something tells me you don't think Serena Williams is a better athlete than some D1 lacrosse player or Paul Rabil even, which is also stupid. Serena Williams is one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in any sport as well.

I get it you think Michael Phelps isn't one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in all sports. That pretty much speaks to how little you get out of the lacrosse globe to see what else there is. You make is sound like some schmoe from Bullis or PVI who is a Ty Xanders ranked recruit is a real deal athlete, and frankly that is a joke in of itself.

Funny all of the sports and skill sets you mentioned are specific to a player or position on a team. Not all football players have to catch a ball, only a few ever do and some never touch it at all. Hitting a 95mph baseball is not the same as catching a lacrosse pass, more like trying to stop a 100mph shot. Catching a lacrosse pass should be compared to catching a baseball throw - most people can do that D1 or not. Not all swimmers hold their breath to swim 15 meters underwater either. Your post is one of extremes, but lacrosse is the only sport you mentioned where you need to run like a deer, catch a ball, hit someone, at all positions. You actually just proved the point that you were trying to refute.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody actually scoured rosters of lacrosse teams and found one kid at Syracuse who is large in stature and played other sports at a high level. M'kay. I did look at Duke, UVA and UNC rosters for multi sport wonders and saw a few kids who were recruited athletes in other sports (Fersen and French at UVA are the two at UVA). The rest looked like as predicted. Lots of kids who had some varsity letters in some things but were mostly just lacrosse players, who also happen to be nearly all white from prep schools. The bar isn't very high to light it up as a football player at Potomac School bud.

I see what you did to also scour for one college football player who is a down lineman. Stay on the grid here. Name one UMD or UVA or UNC football linebacker, defensive back, or offensive skill player or end who doesn't run like a deer and isn't the one who has those gifts that one Syracuse lacrosse player and perhaps 2-3 total UVA ones do.

BTW, yes, catching and throwing a ball into a crosse is easier than hitting a 95 mph fastball or a 75 mph curveball, it is easier than swimming underwater for 15 meters, it is easier than controlling a hockey puck at high speeds while skating 25mph, and it is a lot easier than catching a football over the middle with 250 pound guys who can run a 4.4 three steps away from driving you into next week. Catching and throwing a lacrosse ball is easier than all of those things, and hitting basically does not exist in lacrosse today. In terms of skill, lacrosse is closest to tennis or squash given the size of the instrument used to control play versus the size of the ball. And something tells me you don't think Serena Williams is a better athlete than some D1 lacrosse player or Paul Rabil even, which is also stupid. Serena Williams is one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in any sport as well.

I get it you think Michael Phelps isn't one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in all sports. That pretty much speaks to how little you get out of the lacrosse globe to see what else there is. You make is sound like some schmoe from Bullis or PVI who is a Ty Xanders ranked recruit is a real deal athlete, and frankly that is a joke in of itself.

Who really cares about swimming? So damn boring. Ty is a joke, and no one cares about PVI or Bullis either. But, lacrosse is intense and fun to watch, and no one goes to sleep watching it. No one cares about Phelps either - roll another blunt and go watch a rerun of the Olympics...

Phelps actually played youth lax in baltimore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody actually scoured rosters of lacrosse teams and found one kid at Syracuse who is large in stature and played other sports at a high level. M'kay. I did look at Duke, UVA and UNC rosters for multi sport wonders and saw a few kids who were recruited athletes in other sports (Fersen and French at UVA are the two at UVA). The rest looked like as predicted. Lots of kids who had some varsity letters in some things but were mostly just lacrosse players, who also happen to be nearly all white from prep schools. The bar isn't very high to light it up as a football player at Potomac School bud.

I see what you did to also scour for one college football player who is a down lineman. Stay on the grid here. Name one UMD or UVA or UNC football linebacker, defensive back, or offensive skill player or end who doesn't run like a deer and isn't the one who has those gifts that one Syracuse lacrosse player and perhaps 2-3 total UVA ones do.

BTW, yes, catching and throwing a ball into a crosse is easier than hitting a 95 mph fastball or a 75 mph curveball, it is easier than swimming underwater for 15 meters, it is easier than controlling a hockey puck at high speeds while skating 25mph, and it is a lot easier than catching a football over the middle with 250 pound guys who can run a 4.4 three steps away from driving you into next week. Catching and throwing a lacrosse ball is easier than all of those things, and hitting basically does not exist in lacrosse today. In terms of skill, lacrosse is closest to tennis or squash given the size of the instrument used to control play versus the size of the ball. And something tells me you don't think Serena Williams is a better athlete than some D1 lacrosse player or Paul Rabil even, which is also stupid. Serena Williams is one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in any sport as well.

I get it you think Michael Phelps isn't one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in all sports. That pretty much speaks to how little you get out of the lacrosse globe to see what else there is. You make is sound like some schmoe from Bullis or PVI who is a Ty Xanders ranked recruit is a real deal athlete, and frankly that is a joke in of itself.

No one scoured anything to find a down lineman - the PP had said that you can take the 125th player of a D1 football team and put him against a 2nd line D1 lacrosse player, the football player would put the lacrosse player to shame. That's what we did, using one of the best lacrosse and football teams in the nation, and clearly the PP was wrong. Simple facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody actually scoured rosters of lacrosse teams and found one kid at Syracuse who is large in stature and played other sports at a high level. M'kay. I did look at Duke, UVA and UNC rosters for multi sport wonders and saw a few kids who were recruited athletes in other sports (Fersen and French at UVA are the two at UVA). The rest looked like as predicted. Lots of kids who had some varsity letters in some things but were mostly just lacrosse players, who also happen to be nearly all white from prep schools. The bar isn't very high to light it up as a football player at Potomac School bud.

I see what you did to also scour for one college football player who is a down lineman. Stay on the grid here. Name one UMD or UVA or UNC football linebacker, defensive back, or offensive skill player or end who doesn't run like a deer and isn't the one who has those gifts that one Syracuse lacrosse player and perhaps 2-3 total UVA ones do.

BTW, yes, catching and throwing a ball into a crosse is easier than hitting a 95 mph fastball or a 75 mph curveball, it is easier than swimming underwater for 15 meters, it is easier than controlling a hockey puck at high speeds while skating 25mph, and it is a lot easier than catching a football over the middle with 250 pound guys who can run a 4.4 three steps away from driving you into next week. Catching and throwing a lacrosse ball is easier than all of those things, and hitting basically does not exist in lacrosse today. In terms of skill, lacrosse is closest to tennis or squash given the size of the instrument used to control play versus the size of the ball. And something tells me you don't think Serena Williams is a better athlete than some D1 lacrosse player or Paul Rabil even, which is also stupid. Serena Williams is one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in any sport as well.

I get it you think Michael Phelps isn't one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in all sports. That pretty much speaks to how little you get out of the lacrosse globe to see what else there is. You make is sound like some schmoe from Bullis or PVI who is a Ty Xanders ranked recruit is a real deal athlete, and frankly that is a joke in of itself.

No one scoured anything to find a down lineman - the PP had said that you can take the 125th player of a D1 football team and put him against a 2nd line D1 lacrosse player, the football player would put the lacrosse player to shame. That's what we did, using one of the best lacrosse and football teams in the nation, and clearly the PP was wrong. Simple facts.

I think the way to think about this is that the lacrosse and football teams at Ivy League schools are roughly equal in athleticism. Ivy League schools can compete with Ohio state and Notre Dame in lacrosse. They can't compete with Notre Dame or Ohio state in football.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The comparison to swimming is pretty amusing to me. I'm from Nowheresville, USA, but I have a bunch of friends who swam for high D-I schools and they hardly know what to make of all the lacrosse talk. "The clock don't lie" is what they like to say about youth sports politics. My daughter swam year-round for a few years for the top local club and I know the crowd.

Funny thing is that lots of parents in my area think their kids can play lax in college and almost none will. Meanwhile, the swim club gets a ton of their kids scholarships EVERY YEAR and they have a bunch coming up that will do even better (i.e., 14 year olds qualifying for Olympic trials).

I'm not sure the swimmers in my area started out as more "elite" athletes though. (And, yes, I've coached more than one kid in lax who set state swimming records.) They just put in a shocking amount of hours in the pool. Good for them and they like it.

Anyway, I'm not disagreeing with your point. I just happen to be one reader where my town is upside down. It's almost certain that I'll have coached more eventual high DI swimmers in U11 lacrosse than I will eventual high DI laxers.

I swam and played lacrosse for Pixley back in the day. We had a pretty good team, but I never reached my full potential because our pool was small and round and I was always chasing the Bradley Girls around.

BINGO!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody actually scoured rosters of lacrosse teams and found one kid at Syracuse who is large in stature and played other sports at a high level. M'kay. I did look at Duke, UVA and UNC rosters for multi sport wonders and saw a few kids who were recruited athletes in other sports (Fersen and French at UVA are the two at UVA). The rest looked like as predicted. Lots of kids who had some varsity letters in some things but were mostly just lacrosse players, who also happen to be nearly all white from prep schools. The bar isn't very high to light it up as a football player at Potomac School bud.

I see what you did to also scour for one college football player who is a down lineman. Stay on the grid here. Name one UMD or UVA or UNC football linebacker, defensive back, or offensive skill player or end who doesn't run like a deer and isn't the one who has those gifts that one Syracuse lacrosse player and perhaps 2-3 total UVA ones do.

BTW, yes, catching and throwing a ball into a crosse is easier than hitting a 95 mph fastball or a 75 mph curveball, it is easier than swimming underwater for 15 meters, it is easier than controlling a hockey puck at high speeds while skating 25mph, and it is a lot easier than catching a football over the middle with 250 pound guys who can run a 4.4 three steps away from driving you into next week. Catching and throwing a lacrosse ball is easier than all of those things, and hitting basically does not exist in lacrosse today. In terms of skill, lacrosse is closest to tennis or squash given the size of the instrument used to control play versus the size of the ball. And something tells me you don't think Serena Williams is a better athlete than some D1 lacrosse player or Paul Rabil even, which is also stupid. Serena Williams is one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in any sport as well.

I get it you think Michael Phelps isn't one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in all sports. That pretty much speaks to how little you get out of the lacrosse globe to see what else there is. You make is sound like some schmoe from Bullis or PVI who is a Ty Xanders ranked recruit is a real deal athlete, and frankly that is a joke in of itself.

No one scoured anything to find a down lineman - the PP had said that you can take the 125th player of a D1 football team and put him against a 2nd line D1 lacrosse player, the football player would put the lacrosse player to shame. That's what we did, using one of the best lacrosse and football teams in the nation, and clearly the PP was wrong. Simple facts.

I think the way to think about this is that the lacrosse and football teams at Ivy League schools are roughly equal in athleticism. Ivy League schools can compete with Ohio state and Notre Dame in lacrosse. They can't compete with Notre Dame or Ohio state in football.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BINGO!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody actually scoured rosters of lacrosse teams and found one kid at Syracuse who is large in stature and played other sports at a high level. M'kay. I did look at Duke, UVA and UNC rosters for multi sport wonders and saw a few kids who were recruited athletes in other sports (Fersen and French at UVA are the two at UVA). The rest looked like as predicted. Lots of kids who had some varsity letters in some things but were mostly just lacrosse players, who also happen to be nearly all white from prep schools. The bar isn't very high to light it up as a football player at Potomac School bud.

I see what you did to also scour for one college football player who is a down lineman. Stay on the grid here. Name one UMD or UVA or UNC football linebacker, defensive back, or offensive skill player or end who doesn't run like a deer and isn't the one who has those gifts that one Syracuse lacrosse player and perhaps 2-3 total UVA ones do.

BTW, yes, catching and throwing a ball into a crosse is easier than hitting a 95 mph fastball or a 75 mph curveball, it is easier than swimming underwater for 15 meters, it is easier than controlling a hockey puck at high speeds while skating 25mph, and it is a lot easier than catching a football over the middle with 250 pound guys who can run a 4.4 three steps away from driving you into next week. Catching and throwing a lacrosse ball is easier than all of those things, and hitting basically does not exist in lacrosse today. In terms of skill, lacrosse is closest to tennis or squash given the size of the instrument used to control play versus the size of the ball. And something tells me you don't think Serena Williams is a better athlete than some D1 lacrosse player or Paul Rabil even, which is also stupid. Serena Williams is one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in any sport as well.

I get it you think Michael Phelps isn't one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in all sports. That pretty much speaks to how little you get out of the lacrosse globe to see what else there is. You make is sound like some schmoe from Bullis or PVI who is a Ty Xanders ranked recruit is a real deal athlete, and frankly that is a joke in of itself.

No one scoured anything to find a down lineman - the PP had said that you can take the 125th player of a D1 football team and put him against a 2nd line D1 lacrosse player, the football player would put the lacrosse player to shame. That's what we did, using one of the best lacrosse and football teams in the nation, and clearly the PP was wrong. Simple facts.

I think the way to think about this is that the lacrosse and football teams at Ivy League schools are roughly equal in athleticism. Ivy League schools can compete with Ohio state and Notre Dame in lacrosse. They can't compete with Notre Dame or Ohio state in football.

I'm sure if the Ivies wanted to become competitive in football they could, can't see why they would want to. Ohio State and Notte Dame can compete with the Ivies in lacrosse, but not in lifelong earning potential - all a matter of priorities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BINGO!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody actually scoured rosters of lacrosse teams and found one kid at Syracuse who is large in stature and played other sports at a high level. M'kay. I did look at Duke, UVA and UNC rosters for multi sport wonders and saw a few kids who were recruited athletes in other sports (Fersen and French at UVA are the two at UVA). The rest looked like as predicted. Lots of kids who had some varsity letters in some things but were mostly just lacrosse players, who also happen to be nearly all white from prep schools. The bar isn't very high to light it up as a football player at Potomac School bud.

I see what you did to also scour for one college football player who is a down lineman. Stay on the grid here. Name one UMD or UVA or UNC football linebacker, defensive back, or offensive skill player or end who doesn't run like a deer and isn't the one who has those gifts that one Syracuse lacrosse player and perhaps 2-3 total UVA ones do.

BTW, yes, catching and throwing a ball into a crosse is easier than hitting a 95 mph fastball or a 75 mph curveball, it is easier than swimming underwater for 15 meters, it is easier than controlling a hockey puck at high speeds while skating 25mph, and it is a lot easier than catching a football over the middle with 250 pound guys who can run a 4.4 three steps away from driving you into next week. Catching and throwing a lacrosse ball is easier than all of those things, and hitting basically does not exist in lacrosse today. In terms of skill, lacrosse is closest to tennis or squash given the size of the instrument used to control play versus the size of the ball. And something tells me you don't think Serena Williams is a better athlete than some D1 lacrosse player or Paul Rabil even, which is also stupid. Serena Williams is one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in any sport as well.

I get it you think Michael Phelps isn't one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in all sports. That pretty much speaks to how little you get out of the lacrosse globe to see what else there is. You make is sound like some schmoe from Bullis or PVI who is a Ty Xanders ranked recruit is a real deal athlete, and frankly that is a joke in of itself.

No one scoured anything to find a down lineman - the PP had said that you can take the 125th player of a D1 football team and put him against a 2nd line D1 lacrosse player, the football player would put the lacrosse player to shame. That's what we did, using one of the best lacrosse and football teams in the nation, and clearly the PP was wrong. Simple facts.

I think the way to think about this is that the lacrosse and football teams at Ivy League schools are roughly equal in athleticism. Ivy League schools can compete with Ohio state and Notre Dame in lacrosse. They can't compete with Notre Dame or Ohio state in football.

I'm sure if the Ivies wanted to become competitive in football they could, can't see why they would want to. Ohio State and Notte Dame can compete with the Ivies in lacrosse, but not in lifelong earning potential - all a matter of priorities.

Good point - I don't think that Ivy Leagues want to "water down" their student intellect base like many of the very good football program schools do, there it's about education first and sports after. The first poster has no clue though - clearly he has never played lacrosse at a competitive level, or likely any of the other sports he mentioned either. Too many armchair quarterbacks on this lacrosse forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One interesting fact is that there were players that showed up on multiple rosters with different placements - Madlax, VLC and Crabs. I think people took placements in order Crabs, VLC and Madlax. It will be interesting to see how the Madlax restructure develops.

I noticed that the Capital tournaments are not published as the Orange tournaments were in the past. I guess he has to evaluate what the level of talent is.

I noticed that too. They have very good 2018 and 2019 teams, but the 2020 and 2021 teams have taken a step backwards. Other clubs have gotten stronger and now Blackwolf is in this market.

Their MD and VA teams look very weak. In the past, half of each roster would be cut and they would have one Blue team. Now they are not making those cuts and are putting two weaker Blue teams on the field. We'll see what the kids on those teams think about the new structure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good point - I don't think that Ivy Leagues want to "water down" their student intellect base like many of the very good football program schools do, there it's about education first and sports after. The first poster has no clue though - clearly he has never played lacrosse at a competitive level, or likely any of the other sports he mentioned either. Too many armchair quarterbacks on this lacrosse forum.

Football is not the sole determinant of athletic ability. The kids that I see who are great lacrosse players would be good at any sport they played an many are good at multiple sports. I would not imagine a linebacker being good at basketball or soccer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good point - I don't think that Ivy Leagues want to "water down" their student intellect base like many of the very good football program schools do, there it's about education first and sports after. The first poster has no clue though - clearly he has never played lacrosse at a competitive level, or likely any of the other sports he mentioned either. Too many armchair quarterbacks on this lacrosse forum.

Football is not the sole determinant of athletic ability. The kids that I see who are great lacrosse players would be good at any sport they played an many are good at multiple sports. I would not imagine a linebacker being good at basketball or soccer.

While lacrosse gets some very good Athletics..No one can honestly think that they get the best...The very best gravitate to Football, Basketball,hockey, baseball,etc..money sports..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good point - I don't think that Ivy Leagues want to "water down" their student intellect base like many of the very good football program schools do, there it's about education first and sports after. The first poster has no clue though - clearly he has never played lacrosse at a competitive level, or likely any of the other sports he mentioned either. Too many armchair quarterbacks on this lacrosse forum.

Football is not the sole determinant of athletic ability. The kids that I see who are great lacrosse players would be good at any sport they played an many are good at multiple sports. I would not imagine a linebacker being good at basketball or soccer.

Excellent point - there are many overweight, out of shape football players who couldn't run for 60 seconds let alone 60 minutes. Since when is football the athletic end all be all measure? That's asinine - no one's impressed by that nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good point - I don't think that Ivy Leagues want to "water down" their student intellect base like many of the very good football program schools do, there it's about education first and sports after. The first poster has no clue though - clearly he has never played lacrosse at a competitive level, or likely any of the other sports he mentioned either. Too many armchair quarterbacks on this lacrosse forum.

Football is not the sole determinant of athletic ability. The kids that I see who are great lacrosse players would be good at any sport they played an many are good at multiple sports. I would not imagine a linebacker being good at basketball or soccer.

While lacrosse gets some very good Athletics..No one can honestly think that they get the best...The very best gravitate to Football, Basketball,hockey, baseball,etc..money sports..

Nonsense, how do you define "the best". The things that make you good at one sport - height, sheer size - may not be an advantage in other sports. You cannot define athletics or athleticism based on the 4 main money sports in the U.S. Just because someone is good at hitting a fastball does not mean they are athletic - David Ortiz? The hand eye coordination of a tennis player is as good as any mlb hitter. Gymnasts, pound for pound, are stronger than any other athlete. We can do this all night. Yes, more kids gravitate towards the mainstream sports, but that does not mean that they are better athletes.

Lacrosse does not have the same level of adoption across the U.S. but the athleticism of the participants is as good as in any other sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good point - I don't think that Ivy Leagues want to "water down" their student intellect base like many of the very good football program schools do, there it's about education first and sports after. The first poster has no clue though - clearly he has never played lacrosse at a competitive level, or likely any of the other sports he mentioned either. Too many armchair quarterbacks on this lacrosse forum.

Football is not the sole determinant of athletic ability. The kids that I see who are great lacrosse players would be good at any sport they played an many are good at multiple sports. I would not imagine a linebacker being good at basketball or soccer.

While lacrosse gets some very good Athletics..No one can honestly think that they get the best...The very best gravitate to Football, Basketball,hockey, baseball,etc..money sports..

Nonsense, how do you define "the best". The things that make you good at one sport - height, sheer size - may not be an advantage in other sports. You cannot define athletics or athleticism based on the 4 main money sports in the U.S. Just because someone is good at hitting a fastball does not mean they are athletic - David Ortiz? The hand eye coordination of a tennis player is as good as any mlb hitter. Gymnasts, pound for pound, are stronger than any other athlete. We can do this all night. Yes, more kids gravitate towards the mainstream sports, but that does not mean that they are better athletes.

Lacrosse does not have the same level of adoption across the U.S. but the athleticism of the participants is as good as in any other sport.

Excellent point! Is the PP trying to say that baseball players as an example are more athletic than lacrosse players? They run for 90 feet at a time a few times a game, the pitchers make Fat Albert look slim, and they stand around most of the game. Let's get real...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One interesting fact is that there were players that showed up on multiple rosters with different placements - Madlax, VLC and Crabs. I think people took placements in order Crabs, VLC and Madlax. It will be interesting to see how the Madlax restructure develops.

I noticed that the Capital tournaments are not published as the Orange tournaments were in the past. I guess he has to evaluate what the level of talent is.

I noticed that too. They have very good 2018 and 2019 teams, but the 2020 and 2021 teams have taken a step backwards. Other clubs have gotten stronger and now Blackwolf is in this market.

Their MD and VA teams look very weak. In the past, half of each roster would be cut and they would have one Blue team. Now they are not making those cuts and are putting two weaker Blue teams on the field. We'll see what the kids on those teams think about the new structure.

Well this might be the case at 2020 and lower but the 2018 and 2019 VA Teams are as strong as ever. I think there will be growing pains for this new way of doing it for sure. But just like the Team 91 team that is new in Maryland it takes time to get new teams off the ground. But the format is out there A and B clubs with AA names on them do better then clubs that there top team plays A or B level only. People like the hope of getting moved up to a better team. They like to be part of the best teams. People like winning as a general rule.

Where can anyone find a Blackwolf roster for any age. Its like top secret information. What is the logic of hiding the rosters?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where can anyone find a Blackwolf roster for any age. Its like top secret information. What is the logic of hiding the rosters?

The logic is that they're children. People on the team know who is on the roster. Why is it important to you if you aren't?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One interesting fact is that there were players that showed up on multiple rosters with different placements - Madlax, VLC and Crabs. I think people took placements in order Crabs, VLC and Madlax. It will be interesting to see how the Madlax restructure develops.

I noticed that the Capital tournaments are not published as the Orange tournaments were in the past. I guess he has to evaluate what the level of talent is.

I noticed that too. They have very good 2018 and 2019 teams, but the 2020 and 2021 teams have taken a step backwards. Other clubs have gotten stronger and now Blackwolf is in this market.

Their MD and VA teams look very weak. In the past, half of each roster would be cut and they would have one Blue team. Now they are not making those cuts and are putting two weaker Blue teams on the field. We'll see what the kids on those teams think about the new structure.

Well this might be the case at 2020 and lower but the 2018 and 2019 VA Teams are as strong as ever. I think there will be growing pains for this new way of doing it for sure. But just like the Team 91 team that is new in Maryland it takes time to get new teams off the ground. But the format is out there A and B clubs with AA names on them do better then clubs that there top team plays A or B level only. People like the hope of getting moved up to a better team. They like to be part of the best teams. People like winning as a general rule.

Madlax's phantom "AAA, AA, A" is a smokescreen and nobody buys it. As for playing for a "B" team (or whatever you want to call it at the moment), nobody likes that experience. It is rare for any club to have a B team that is a good experience for a kid. We have a friend whose kids stuck with Madlax Blue for years before finally making it when enough Orange kids left. They regret it now because he missed all those years of getting recruiting attention. Everyone knows this is about creating two B teams with a 20-25 kids who normally would have been cut. Money.

The 2018 team has some excellent players, but they've lost 5-6 starters in the past 2 years.

I think the Madlax blue players hold out hope that the cream will leave after committing (or not) around 9th grade. Once Maddux starts combining HS teams, the lines become blurred.

The 2019 commitments are impressive. I am surprised that it did not translate to more talent coming to 2020. Looks like VLC re-loaded at 2020. My prediction VLC 2020 take Madlax Capital 2020 8 out of 10.

This is true. VLC 2020 is loaded now. Instant contender and very well done by Buller and Langley. I think their strategy has been moving things west a little to Fairfax (GMU) to capture more Loudoun talent while still retaining the beltway crowd and of course the PVI kids. This may be a move for the future as PVI moves to Loudoun in 2020 (?)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One interesting fact is that there were players that showed up on multiple rosters with different placements - Madlax, VLC and Crabs. I think people took placements in order Crabs, VLC and Madlax. It will be interesting to see how the Madlax restructure develops.

I noticed that the Capital tournaments are not published as the Orange tournaments were in the past. I guess he has to evaluate what the level of talent is.

I noticed that too. They have very good 2018 and 2019 teams, but the 2020 and 2021 teams have taken a step backwards. Other clubs have gotten stronger and now Blackwolf is in this market.

Their MD and VA teams look very weak. In the past, half of each roster would be cut and they would have one Blue team. Now they are not making those cuts and are putting two weaker Blue teams on the field. We'll see what the kids on those teams think about the new structure.

Well this might be the case at 2020 and lower but the 2018 and 2019 VA Teams are as strong as ever. I think there will be growing pains for this new way of doing it for sure. But just like the Team 91 team that is new in Maryland it takes time to get new teams off the ground. But the format is out there A and B clubs with AA names on them do better then clubs that there top team plays A or B level only. People like the hope of getting moved up to a better team. They like to be part of the best teams. People like winning as a general rule.

Madlax's phantom "AAA, AA, A" is a smokescreen and nobody buys it. As for playing for a "B" team (or whatever you want to call it at the moment), nobody likes that experience. It is rare for any club to have a B team that is a good experience for a kid. We have a friend whose kids stuck with Madlax Blue for years before finally making it when enough Orange kids left. They regret it now because he missed all those years of getting recruiting attention. Everyone knows this is about creating two B teams with a 20-25 kids who normally would have been cut. Money.

The 2018 team has some excellent players, but they've lost 5-6 starters in the past 2 years.

5-6 starters left 2018 in past 2 year? You might want to recheck that figure...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the Madlax blue players hold out hope that the cream will leave after committing (or not) around 9th grade. Once Maddux starts combining HS teams, the lines become blurred.

The 2019 commitments are impressive. I am surprised that it did not translate to more talent coming to 2020. Looks like VLC re-loaded at 2020. My prediction VLC 2020 take Madlax Capital 2020 8 out of 10.

I heard that a number of the 2020s who made Madlax Capital chose VLC instead - one of the parents posted the Madlax tryout selection results and a bunch of the selected kids are on the VLC final 2020 roster.How was VLC able to pull such big numbers at 2020?

From what I can tell, MadLax seems to have pulled off the single year AAA-Capital, VA-AA, MD-AA model for single years above U13. Then went with VA and MD U13 AA teams versus single years. Then looks like a combined VA-MD team for 2023.

All good, but anyone know whether the VA and MD AA teams playing in Fall tournaments or just Next Level league?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

5-6 starters left 2018 in past 2 year? You might want to recheck that figure...

Not sure how long you have been with the team, but that's true. Several guys have left for Blackwolf, VLC or stopped playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the Madlax blue players hold out hope that the cream will leave after committing (or not) around 9th grade. Once Maddux starts combining HS teams, the lines become blurred.

The 2019 commitments are impressive. I am surprised that it did not translate to more talent coming to 2020. Looks like VLC re-loaded at 2020. My prediction VLC 2020 take Madlax Capital 2020 8 out of 10.

I heard that a number of the 2020s who made Madlax Capital chose VLC instead - one of the parents posted the Madlax tryout selection results and a bunch of the selected kids are on the VLC final 2020 roster.How was VLC able to pull such big numbers at 2020?

Maybe Cabell 's behavior problems are finally catching up with him. In most businesses customers/clients tend to go elsewhere when they are treated badly. Good for VLC.

VLC was able to pull big numbers for a few reasons:

* Freedom folded. Although I don't know who on the VLC 2020 roster actually played previously for Freedom last season.
* Pockets of very good talent continues to grow further West (e.g. Loudoun Co and beyond).
* Coach Buller and Langley have a great reputation, and an excellent track record.
* Reputation and Madlax history. Yes, referring to the infamous email fiasco that will right or wrong forever paint a picture about the owner of Madlax and the organization. Some parents obviously put off with those antics; Cabell could be a completely different coach now but outsiders looking in don't know the guy personally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC was able to pull big numbers for a few reasons:

* Freedom folded. Although I don't know who on the VLC 2020 roster actually played previously for Freedom last season.
* Pockets of very good talent continues to grow further West (e.g. Loudoun Co and beyond).
* Coach Buller and Langley have a great reputation, and an excellent track record.
* Reputation and Madlax history. Yes, referring to the infamous email fiasco that will right or wrong forever paint a picture about the owner of Madlax and the organization. Some parents obviously put off with those antics; Cabell could be a completely different coach now but outsiders looking in don't know the guy personally.

Looking at the VLC roster for 2020 seems to be missing one of it the best player. The one who plays for the Crabs sometimes. But this name is not on the Crabs roster also?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where can anyone find a Blackwolf roster for any age. Its like top secret information. What is the logic of hiding the rosters?

The logic is that they're children. People on the team know who is on the roster. Why is it important to you if you aren't?

Ok I will give you the children part for any team younger then U13 age. But for teams older, who are putting there names on every showcase and recruiting website they can find its silly not to post the names. You are showing up for a team every weekend its not a secret who your kid plays for. It just silly PC crap to hide the little kids names from the internet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC was able to pull big numbers for a few reasons:

* Freedom folded. Although I don't know who on the VLC 2020 roster actually played previously for Freedom last season.
* Pockets of very good talent continues to grow further West (e.g. Loudoun Co and beyond).
* Coach Buller and Langley have a great reputation, and an excellent track record.
* Reputation and Madlax history. Yes, referring to the infamous email fiasco that will right or wrong forever paint a picture about the owner of Madlax and the organization. Some parents obviously put off with those antics; Cabell could be a completely different coach now but outsiders looking in don't know the guy personally.

Let me help you with that last point. The "history" you refer to still goes on and no, Cabell has not changed. He is as vindictive and petulant as ever.

Is Langley still a PVI coach? He was criticized for that a few years ago when Loudon Co parents made an issue of him being biased to advocate the PVI kids ahead of the others. Not sure if that was the case, but it did lead to some rumbling. If VLC and Langley are less attached to the PVI program it would be a good thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC was able to pull big numbers for a few reasons:

* Freedom folded. Although I don't know who on the VLC 2020 roster actually played previously for Freedom last season.
* Pockets of very good talent continues to grow further West (e.g. Loudoun Co and beyond).
* Coach Buller and Langley have a great reputation, and an excellent track record.
* Reputation and Madlax history. Yes, referring to the infamous email fiasco that will right or wrong forever paint a picture about the owner of Madlax and the organization. Some parents obviously put off with those antics; Cabell could be a completely different coach now but outsiders looking in don't know the guy personally.

Looking at the VLC roster for 2020 seems to be missing one of it the best player. The one who plays for the Crabs sometimes. But this name is not on the Crabs roster also?

He is listed on the VLC 2020 roster. It looks to be an extremely strong team.

Silly PC crap to keep kid's names of the Internet when a sports roster of 13 year olds is what you are steamed to know and research? Dude, getting waaay close to needing to have the moderator here have your IP vetted by someone with a badge. Don't ever post something like that here again. No one is anonymous when they suggest open season on 13 year olds by name. I don't have a kid on Blackwolf, but if they restrain posting player names for youth teams, that's their decision. It isn't as if a stalker like you won't obtain it all in 6 weeks from a tournament registration list. What next, are you going to get upset their d.o.b. & ss# aren't easy to index? Calm down and keep that out of here. It is completely unacceptable.

LOL. We had the same problem with a program chair for Youth football up hear in hazard county. So glad he did not own the club. Vindictive, Petulant, childish, but always went to church every Sunday. Love some of these guys. They need to watch "My Name is Earl" Karma is a [lacrosse]. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Langley still a PVI coach? He was criticized for that a few years ago when Loudon Co parents made an issue of him being biased to advocate the PVI kids ahead of the others. Not sure if that was the case, but it did lead to some rumbling. If VLC and Langley are less attached to the PVI program it would be a good thing.

I haven't heard that story. His reputation is pretty high. I have heard that there is a PVI coach who runs 3d and there is pressure at PVI to play for 3d. That might not be true, though, since it doesn't seem that many PVI kids are playing for 3d.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC was able to pull big numbers for a few reasons:

* Freedom folded. Although I don't know who on the VLC 2020 roster actually played previously for Freedom last season.
* Pockets of very good talent continues to grow further West (e.g. Loudoun Co and beyond).
* Coach Buller and Langley have a great reputation, and an excellent track record.
* Reputation and Madlax history. Yes, referring to the infamous email fiasco that will right or wrong forever paint a picture about the owner of Madlax and the organization. Some parents obviously put off with those antics; Cabell could be a completely different coach now but outsiders looking in don't know the guy personally.

Looking at the VLC roster for 2020 seems to be missing one of it the best player. The one who plays for the Crabs sometimes. But this name is not on the Crabs roster also?

Do you mean the other one from VLC who went to Denver? I do not see him on any roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC was able to pull big numbers for a few reasons:

* Freedom folded. Although I don't know who on the VLC 2020 roster actually played previously for Freedom last season.
* Pockets of very good talent continues to grow further West (e.g. Loudoun Co and beyond).
* Coach Buller and Langley have a great reputation, and an excellent track record.
* Reputation and Madlax history. Yes, referring to the infamous email fiasco that will right or wrong forever paint a picture about the owner of Madlax and the organization. Some parents obviously put off with those antics; Cabell could be a completely different coach now but outsiders looking in don't know the guy personally.

Looking at the VLC roster for 2020 seems to be missing one of it the best player. The one who plays for the Crabs sometimes. But this name is not on the Crabs roster also?

Do you mean the other one from VLC who went to Denver? I do not see him on any roster.

Yes - he signed up late, he's on the VLC 2020 roster now.

Stop it! I am referring to another player. He is NOT on the VLC roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop it! I am referring to another player. He is NOT on the VLC roster.

If you're referring to the kid who played with Crabs at Denver and was their leading scorer and won fastest shot, then yes he is on the VLC 2020 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you mean the other one from VLC who went to Denver? I do not see him on any roster.

Why would you be frantically searching rosters on the Interwebs for some MS boy? That is really weird.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Langley still a PVI coach? He was criticized for that a few years ago when Loudon Co parents made an issue of him being biased to advocate the PVI kids ahead of the others. Not sure if that was the case, but it did lead to some rumbling. If VLC and Langley are less attached to the PVI program it would be a good thing.

I haven't heard that story. His reputation is pretty high. I have heard that there is a PVI coach who runs 3d and there is pressure at PVI to play for 3d. That might not be true, though, since it doesn't seem that many PVI kids are playing for 3d.

Completely untrue. Why would you even post something like that if you weren't sure? Couldn't be further from the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop it! I am referring to another player. He is NOT on the VLC roster.

They only took one prior VLC player to Denver, and he's on the roster, so not sure what you're talking about...

Cabbel is a complete tool and was a D3 hero. He has no respect from his old teammates nor D1 players in his day. He was a wanna be player who couldn't play D1. Add to that the way he treats kids now and it is ridiculous anyone would play for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop it! I am referring to another player. He is NOT on the VLC roster.

There were 2 VLC players that played with the crabs....an attack (leading scorer and fastest shot) and a middie. Both played UP on VLC 2019 and then went to Crabs 2020 in Denver. The attack is now on the VLC 2020 roster. The middie is on neither VLC nor the Crabs 2020 rosters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Langley still a PVI coach? He was criticized for that a few years ago when Loudon Co parents made an issue of him being biased to advocate the PVI kids ahead of the others. Not sure if that was the case, but it did lead to some rumbling. If VLC and Langley are less attached to the PVI program it would be a good thing.

I haven't heard that story. His reputation is pretty high. I have heard that there is a PVI coach who runs 3d and there is pressure at PVI to play for 3d. That might not be true, though, since it doesn't seem that many PVI kids are playing for 3d.

Completely untrue. Why would you even post something like that if you weren't sure? Couldn't be further from the truth.

Because our friends plaa and PVI and told me that the assistant is always pushing 3d on the kids. It doesn't seem to be working because PVI's top kids are playing for VLC, Madlax and Blackwolf.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Langley still a PVI coach? He was criticized for that a few years ago when Loudon Co parents made an issue of him being biased to advocate the PVI kids ahead of the others. Not sure if that was the case, but it did lead to some rumbling. If VLC and Langley are less attached to the PVI program it would be a good thing.

I haven't heard that story. His reputation is pretty high. I have heard that there is a PVI coach who runs 3d and there is pressure at PVI to play for 3d. That might not be true, though, since it doesn't seem that many PVI kids are playing for 3d.

Completely untrue. Why would you even post something like that if you weren't sure? Couldn't be further from the truth.

Because our friends plaa and PVI and told me that the assistant is always pushing 3d on the kids. It doesn't seem to be working because PVI's top kids are playing for VLC, Madlax and Blackwolf.

Yes, Langley and Brooks both coach at PVI. My son plays on the VLC 2020 team, and the team is pretty diverse, with kids from Loudoun Public Schools, Fairfax area Public Schools, Arlington Public Schools, and a sprinkling of private. Langley has never pushed PVI kids ahead that I've seen, and he's also never pushed PVI on us - he and Buller are fantastic coaches, and there's nowhere I'd rather have my son play, to be honest. I also know Brooks, and he's never pushed 3D on my son, other than asking if he wanted to tryout or if he's sticking with VLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you mean the other one from VLC who went to Denver? I do not see him on any roster.

Why would you be frantically searching rosters on the Interwebs for some MS boy? That is really weird.

It is rather obsessive, I have to say...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop it! I am referring to another player. He is NOT on the VLC roster.

Did you miss your pill today? Take a deep breath and calm down - I'm sure you'll find him if you devote the rest of your Labor Day weekend to scouring the area rosters for a youth player you're obsessed with. Maybe you should hire Magnum PI to find him for you?

Your son plays on 2020 - 8th grade - so how are there any PVI kids on his team? It's high school.

How does PVI manage to have so many top coaches and players flocking there and still suck?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your son plays on 2020 - 8th grade - so how are there any PVI kids on his team? It's high school.

Your reading skills need work

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your son plays on 2020 - 8th grade - so how are there any PVI kids on his team? It's high school.

Your reading skills need work

You said "Langley has never pushed PVI kids ahead that I've seen.." so just wondering if you're talking about your sons 2020 team how there are any PVI kids on that team. Maybe you're talking about other teams?

Don't think he's talking about a 2020 team. Those are 8th graders and PVI is a high school. Never looks good for a club coach to also be a prep coach. Too many and too obvious conflicts of interest for the kids who are in public schools and are more reliant on their clubs to advocate. Looking at 2015, 2016, 2017 doesn't look like the PVI kids struggled to get committed as much as their team struggled to win games agains decent competition. Not sure what teams Langley coaches, he was on Twitter as a 2015 coach. It is a negative for VLC to have that bias and the Landon bias from the founder.

There is nothing negative about Adam Langley....he is an outstanding coach and a smart and principled individual. There is no undue preference that I've ever seen or heard of.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't think he's talking about a 2020 team. Those are 8th graders and PVI is a high school. Never looks good for a club coach to also be a prep coach. Too many and too obvious conflicts of interest for the kids who are in public schools and are more reliant on their clubs to advocate. Looking at 2015, 2016, 2017 doesn't look like the PVI kids struggled to get committed as much as their team struggled to win games agains decent competition. Not sure what teams Langley coaches, he was on Twitter as a 2015 coach. It is a negative for VLC to have that bias and the Landon bias from the founder.

Thanks for your input cabell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your son plays on 2020 - 8th grade - so how are there any PVI kids on his team? It's high school.

Your reading skills need work

You said "Langley has never pushed PVI kids ahead that I've seen.." so just wondering if you're talking about your sons 2020 team how there are any PVI kids on that team. Maybe you're talking about other teams?

Correct - I was saying that my son plays on the 2020 team, and Buller is the head coach and Langley assists - I wasn't implying that there are PVI kids on the 2020 team, my point was that we all have a lot of interaction with him and get to see why he does in games and practices. Langley is the head coach of 2018, and I've never seen him push kids from one school over another or give preference to PVI kids in particular. He just plays the best talent he has, exactly as he should - he and Buller are excellent and fair coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't think he's talking about a 2020 team. Those are 8th graders and PVI is a high school. Never looks good for a club coach to also be a prep coach. Too many and too obvious conflicts of interest for the kids who are in public schools and are more reliant on their clubs to advocate. Looking at 2015, 2016, 2017 doesn't look like the PVI kids struggled to get committed as much as their team struggled to win games agains decent competition. Not sure what teams Langley coaches, he was on Twitter as a 2015 coach. It is a negative for VLC to have that bias and the Landon bias from the founder.

We get it. You dislike PVI.

- Madlax has coaches who are also HS head and assistant coaches
- Blackwolf has coaches who are HS assistant coaches
- 3d has coaches who are HS assistant coaches

Get a life.

That is true. Also

Club Blue has HS coaches
Performance has HS coaches
Cavalier has HS coaches

Looking at the numbers for this fall rosters. I think people should be a little more happy in this new system of a Va and MD teams. They might not be as good with wins or loses but 18 and 19 kid rosters are better then the old way with 24 or 25 kids on a team.

Our HS coach sucks. Just because a guy coaches in HS does not make him a good coach, at least in the public schools. (I may just be the one poor, public school guy on this thread) Teacher coaches are the worst. What is even worse are parents who assume because their kids play lax they should get a scholarship. Keep your grades up and the merit scholarships are much larger.

This is fun! Also

Breakers has HS coaches
Cannons has HS coaches
Team 91 has HS coaches

someone else add 3 more...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the numbers for this fall rosters. I think people should be a little more happy in this new system of a Va and MD teams. They might not be as good with wins or loses but 18 and 19 kid rosters are better then the old way with 24 or 25 kids on a team.

More kids can play as youths, and that is the only way to develop players. More teams means those 18-19 kids can play more instead of the rotisserie of in and out to please everyone. Over the summer I saw a lot of club teams rostering 30 at tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the numbers for this fall rosters. I think people should be a little more happy in this new system of a Va and MD teams. They might not be as good with wins or loses but 18 and 19 kid rosters are better then the old way with 24 or 25 kids on a team.

Double edged swords. The Blue teams were weak to begin with. Fewer players is good, but playing with lesser players overall is not good.

And 18-19 is too small of a roster for the summer. Kids have vacation and get hurt. The lack of numbers and better players is going to a painful experience for many.

18-19 and they can pull in from other team if short for a tournament. No way, much much better to have 19 kids than 25 or 30. You pay for all this and then go to 2-3 events to watch your kid get a couple of runs in 20 min running half games? No thanks. Would rather the kids get good runs in and come home tired.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

18-19 and they can pull in from other team if short for a tournament. No way, much much better to have 19 kids than 25 or 30. You pay for all this and then go to 2-3 events to watch your kid get a couple of runs in 20 min running half games? No thanks. Would rather the kids get good runs in and come home tired.

I agree with this 100% and guess what you become a better player playing 33 min. of a game and losing by 5 then playing 8 min and winning by 5. It might hurt the parents feelings but guess what the kid got better. And for the older kids do you think the college scout remembers the score of the game he just saw your son play in.

Please show me the Blue team that had a overall losing record this summer. I am guessing you will only be able to find one. They are not winning all the tournaments but that is because these smaller clubs have kids who should be playing AA not A level with there smaller club team. I have seen Madlax Blue teams play from U11 to high school for many years. They compete and win more then they lose. I do think the one down side of this new system of MD and VA is that the Blue kids will not practice with the Top kids. This was always a big bonus of playing Blue. You got to practice with the top kids in the state twice a week.

Our kid used to play for Blue. Like any club, playing for the 2nd team sucks. Saying otherwise isn't being honest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't think he's talking about a 2020 team. Those are 8th graders and PVI is a high school. Never looks good for a club coach to also be a prep coach. Too many and too obvious conflicts of interest for the kids who are in public schools and are more reliant on their clubs to advocate. Looking at 2015, 2016, 2017 doesn't look like the PVI kids struggled to get committed as much as their team struggled to win games agains decent competition. Not sure what teams Langley coaches, he was on Twitter as a 2015 coach. It is a negative for VLC to have that bias and the Landon bias from the founder.

Thanks for your input cabell

The funny thing is that the Madlax owner has been fired from every HS coaching job he's ever had, most recently for threatening his HS players if they didn't play for Madlax.

He threatened them via an email. Sound familiar?

Probably from sons that got not farther than a local rec team. Your attitude is reflected in how your kids play.

How did he threaten them? I'm curious. I don't understand this idea that kids are somehow forced to keep playing for madlax if they want to leave. Really what can he do to them? Say bad stuff about them? Everyone knows he's an [lacrosse]. If he says bad stuff about an ex-player it probably means they're a stud. Kids need to get over this idea that he has all this power over their lacrosse playing careers and let their game speak for itself. Wherever they want to play.

This happens all over. Fallston players need to play for Rock as their is a club connection. Cmilton Wright has to play for Mavericks or you do not get playing time. New coach at Harford Tech has a connection to Mavericks as well, so their kids better play for that club or playing time will suffer. If the coaches do not play their club players on the HS team the parents get upset. Also the club coaches get extra HS game experience, almost like a practice, to help in the club season. Not right, but it happens everywhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is fun! Also

Breakers has HS coaches
Cannons has HS coaches
Team 91 has HS coaches

someone else add 3 more...

Stop lying! Team 91 doesn't have any HS coaches in MD. But they are "Elite" coaches. Just ask Millon

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This happens all over. Fallston players need to play for Rock as their is a club connection. Cmilton Wright has to play for Mavericks or you do not get playing time. New coach at Harford Tech has a connection to Mavericks as well, so their kids better play for that club or playing time will suffer. If the coaches do not play their club players on the HS team the parents get upset. Also the club coaches get extra HS game experience, almost like a practice, to help in the club season. Not right, but it happens everywhere.

Well if these Fallston kids were any good, they could also choose to leave Hazard County and play for a real club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This happens all over. Fallston players need to play for Rock as their is a club connection. Cmilton Wright has to play for Mavericks or you do not get playing time. New coach at Harford Tech has a connection to Mavericks as well, so their kids better play for that club or playing time will suffer. If the coaches do not play their club players on the HS team the parents get upset. Also the club coaches get extra HS game experience, almost like a practice, to help in the club season. Not right, but it happens everywhere.

Well if these Fallston kids were any good, they could also choose to leave Hazard County and play for a real club.

Maverick practices in Bel Air, but Rock practices at St. Paul's along with Koopers, Breakers, and Team 91-MD - so it is not a matter of where you live.

Agree. Some good kids want to play club but the parents are not crazy enough to want to drive all night to practice. Many of the clubs listed about have sent me emails and asked for my son to tryout. Just not interested. His high GPA and other HS sports are much more important. Merit scholarship baby. I am getting paid. lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is fun! Also

Breakers has HS coaches
Cannons has HS coaches
Team 91 has HS coaches

someone else add 3 more...

Stop lying! Team 91 doesn't have any HS coaches in MD. But they are "Elite" coaches. Just ask Millon

Nick Funk and Scott Hoskins were HS coaches

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is fun! Also

Breakers has HS coaches
Cannons has HS coaches
Team 91 has HS coaches

someone else add 3 more...

Stop lying! Team 91 doesn't have any HS coaches in MD. But they are "Elite" coaches. Just ask Millon

Nick Funk and Scott Hoskins were HS coaches

Come on now. Scott's a great guy, but he was a HS assistant for one year 18 years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is fun! Also

Breakers has HS coaches
Cannons has HS coaches
Team 91 has HS coaches

someone else add 3 more...

Stop lying! Team 91 doesn't have any HS coaches in MD. But they are "Elite" coaches. Just ask Millon

Nick Funk and Scott Hoskins were HS coaches

you're pulling the 1 year as HS assistant from 1997 for the one guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is fun! Also

Breakers has HS coaches
Cannons has HS coaches
Team 91 has HS coaches

someone else add 3 more...

Stop lying! Team 91 doesn't have any HS coaches in MD. But they are "Elite" coaches. Just ask Millon

Nick Funk and Scott Hoskins were HS coaches

Come on now. Scott's a great guy, but he was a HS assistant for one year 18 years ago.

Is what it is - the Plaintiff opened this line of questioning...hahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is fun! Also

Breakers has HS coaches
Cannons has HS coaches
Team 91 has HS coaches

someone else add 3 more...

Stop lying! Team 91 doesn't have any HS coaches in MD. But they are "Elite" coaches. Just ask Millon

Nick Funk and Scott Hoskins were HS coaches

you're pulling the 1 year as HS assistant from 1997 for the one guy.

Either way, I think it's been made clear that all the teams have HS coaches - which isn't a bad thing at all, but the point has been made...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is fun! Also

Breakers has HS coaches
Cannons has HS coaches
Team 91 has HS coaches

someone else add 3 more...

Hawks has HS coaches

Every club has coaches who coach at the HS level. The original poster who said no club should have any HS coaches in the program is a complete idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably from sons that got not farther than a local rec team. Your attitude is reflected in how your kids play.

Nope. These were kids who were or later became D1 or D3 recruits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did he threaten them? I'm curious. I don't understand this idea that kids are somehow forced to keep playing for madlax if they want to leave. Really what can he do to them? Say bad stuff about them? Everyone knows he's an [lacrosse]. If he says bad stuff about an ex-player it probably means they're a stud. Kids need to get over this idea that he has all this power over their lacrosse playing careers and let their game speak for itself. Wherever they want to play.

These weren't kids who played for Madlax and wanted to leave. These were kids who didn't play for Madlax and were pressured to play for Madlax. Read the post. There were kids at that school who played for other clubs. He told those kids that if they didn't play for Madlax, there would be consequences when it came to play for their HS team. He had that power because he was their HS coach.

Not the same as what he did later when he threatened that player who left. Except in both cases he put the threats in writing, so the school had no choice but to fire him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is fun! Also

Breakers has HS coaches
Cannons has HS coaches
Team 91 has HS coaches

someone else add 3 more...

Stop lying! Team 91 doesn't have any HS coaches in MD. But they are "Elite" coaches. Just ask Millon

Someone seems to have a "thing" for Mark Millon and is hung up once again on "elite". If the folks on a club are happy with their coaches then why do you care?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is fun! Also

Breakers has HS coaches
Cannons has HS coaches
Team 91 has HS coaches

someone else add 3 more...

Stop lying! Team 91 doesn't have any HS coaches in MD. But they are "Elite" coaches. Just ask Millon

Someone seems to have a "thing" for Mark Millon and is hung up once again on "elite". If the folks on a club are happy with their coaches then why do you care?

Breakers younger teams have been decimated. I wonder if Breakers will even have a 2020 and younger teams this year?/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is fun! Also

Breakers has HS coaches
Cannons has HS coaches
Team 91 has HS coaches

someone else add 3 more...

Stop lying! Team 91 doesn't have any HS coaches in MD. But they are "Elite" coaches. Just ask Millon

Someone seems to have a "thing" for Mark Millon and is hung up once again on "elite". If the folks on a club are happy with their coaches then why do you care?

Breakers younger teams have been decimated. I wonder if Breakers will even have a 2020 and younger teams this year?/

on their website they have coaches listed. looks like they reloaded the coaching staff pretty well.

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Someone seems to have a "thing" for Mark Millon and is hung up once again on "elite". If the folks on a club are happy with their coaches then why do you care?

I have a thing for Mark Millon, and it's good and hard. Another carney guy I think folks should avoid.

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

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Someone seems to have a "thing" for Mark Millon and is hung up once again on "elite". If the folks on a club are happy with their coaches then why do you care?

I have a thing for Mark Millon, and it's good and hard. Another carney guy I think folks should avoid.

He is running Team 91 in MD now...I guess along with his camps.. Whats carney ??

Carnival - flimflam - grifter

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Carnival - flimflam - grifter

Carney was always solid in The Honeymooners, but was absolutely terrific in Harry and Tonto

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

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Someone seems to have a "thing" for Mark Millon and is hung up once again on "elite". If the folks on a club are happy with their coaches then why do you care?

I have a thing for Mark Millon, and it's good and hard. Another carney guy I think folks should avoid.

As opposed to Carny, I have used the term "Used Car Salesman". It's always a hard sell. He's the best. Just ask him

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This happens all over. Fallston players need to play for Rock as their is a club connection. Cmilton Wright has to play for Mavericks or you do not get playing time. New coach at Harford Tech has a connection to Mavericks as well, so their kids better play for that club or playing time will suffer. If the coaches do not play their club players on the HS team the parents get upset. Also the club coaches get extra HS game experience, almost like a practice, to help in the club season. Not right, but it happens everywhere.

Well if these Fallston kids were any good, they could also choose to leave Hazard County and play for a real club.

There are some fallston kids who left rock/fallston rec to go play for a real club

Those kids may suffer with playing time in HS. I heard that the JV Coach at Fallston only lets 2 kids shoot. Any other kid that puts the ball on goal is punished. LOL. Another example of great coaching. I guess the shooting kids play for Rock.

[quote=Anonymous]Those kids may suffer with playing time in HS. I heard that the JV Coach at Fallston only lets 2 kids shoot. Any other kid that puts the ball on goal is punished. LOL. Another example of great coaching. I guess the shooting kids play for Rock.

Is Fallston still crowing about winning those "C: division state championships? Seems like 2 kids shooting only is enough to carry them over Prince Albert High every year in the finals.....

Why are you talking about Millon on a Madlax thread?

or falston lacrosse for that matter?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are you talking about Millon on a Madlax thread?

Do not stop them they will go back to talking about the email and reclass kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are you talking about Millon on a Madlax thread?

Do not stop them they will go back to talking about the email and reclass kids.

Where are they going to talk about Breakers and Team 91??? What ever happened to their Threads??? Does moderator get rid after no activity??? Seems like there should be a thread for Maryland Team91 , Greene Turtle, etc??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are you talking about Millon on a Madlax thread?

Do not stop them they will go back to talking about the email and reclass kids.

Where are they going to talk about Breakers and Team 91??? What ever happened to their Threads??? Does moderator get rid after no activity??? Seems like there should be a thread for Maryland Team91 , Greene Turtle, etc??

We have removed a lot of the threads and they will not be back.

Why did the Cannons become a Madlax Partner Program?

Man this is true welcome Cannons to the Madlax Family. This is going to make the National teams really hard to make. Can't wait for the first Madlax and partner only tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Man this is true welcome Cannons to the Madlax Family. This is going to make the National teams really hard to make. Can't wait for the first Madlax and partner only tournament.

Does anyone know how many teams the Cannons even have. Looking at there website it looks like they have only 3 or 4 teams from youth to high school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Man this is true welcome Cannons to the Madlax Family. This is going to make the National teams really hard to make. Can't wait for the first Madlax and partner only tournament.

I hope you're kidding. They have 1-2 decent teams and that's it. Like the other clubs Madlax is buying, maybe 1-2 kids per grade would be considered for their national team.

Their national team is basically their Capital team plus a combination of a handful of good players and those allowed to play on the team for political reasons.

National team is madlax going to Tampa again this year? What did they win to get an invite?

Didn't they win the Galactic Championship?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Man this is true welcome Cannons to the Madlax Family. This is going to make the National teams really hard to make. Can't wait for the first Madlax and partner only tournament.

I hope you're kidding. They have 1-2 decent teams and that's it. Like the other clubs Madlax is buying, maybe 1-2 kids per grade would be considered for their national team.

Their national team is basically their Capital team plus a combination of a handful of good players and those allowed to play on the team for political reasons.

Why did they just not make them join the Madlax Maryland teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

National team is madlax going to Tampa again this year? What did they win to get an invite?

Nothing its there tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

National team is madlax going to Tampa again this year? What did they win to get an invite?

You're confusing it with that [lacrosse]'s Sporting Goods tournament.

No matter. Both tournaments are a complete joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

National team is madlax going to Tampa again this year? What did they win to get an invite?

The 2020 division has the Madlax Nationals, Madlax West Nationals and the Madlax East Nationals. How good will each of the various teams be?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Man this is true welcome Cannons to the Madlax Family. This is going to make the National teams really hard to make. Can't wait for the first Madlax and partner only tournament.

I hope you're kidding. They have 1-2 decent teams and that's it. Like the other clubs Madlax is buying, maybe 1-2 kids per grade would be considered for their national team.

Their national team is basically their Capital team plus a combination of a handful of good players and those allowed to play on the team for political reasons.

Why did they just not make them join the Madlax Maryland teams?

Madlax MD is Bethesda area (west of DC). Cannons is Southern MD (east of DC, South of Annapolis). Not close enough for weekday practices. Two teams in MD will work well for Madlax. Now they just need a team North of Baltimore and they will have most of the talent in MD covered.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

National team is madlax going to Tampa again this year? What did they win to get an invite?

The 2020 division has the Madlax Nationals, Madlax West Nationals and the Madlax East Nationals. How good will each of the various teams be?

Well it really depends on how many kids want to spend the money to get down to FL. I am guessing these other two teams will be made up of the players left from the Capital teams and any good players from all the Partner and state Madlax teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

National team is madlax going to Tampa again this year? What did they win to get an invite?

You're confusing it with that [lacrosse]'s Sporting Goods tournament.

No matter. Both tournaments are a complete joke.

The [lacrosse]'s Tournament actually had some decent teams in the U15 Division last December - FCA National 2017, Sweetlax National 2017, Brady's Bunch and Madlax Nationals 2018/17. The new madlax hosted tournament at least at the older age groups will have FCA nationals, LIExpress, and 3D Nationals so for a fairly small tournaments it does have some decent teams. It looks like it was able to pull at least most of the best teams away from Dicks. The Dicks tourney is a fairly large tourney with a number of teams that are far from the level of the top teams but its very well run on very nice grass fields.

The [lacrosse]'s Tournament is fine if you are looking/can afford a family vacation in FL. Both like Vail, most of the teams are dreadful.

And any tournament that has rising sophomores playing U15 is pitiful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The [lacrosse]'s Tournament is fine if you are looking/can afford a family vacation in FL. Both like Vail, most of the teams are dreadful.

And any tournament that has rising sophomores playing U15 is pitiful.

Dicks is great in theory....you take the winners from all the top regional tournaments and have them play in a national playoff. Unfortunately many of the regional tournaments do not have the top teams in that region, so a lot of B level teams qualify and get blown out by the 1 or 2 AA teams that do decide to pay the money to travel to Florida.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The [lacrosse]'s Tournament is fine if you are looking/can afford a family vacation in FL. Both like Vail, most of the teams are dreadful.

And any tournament that has rising sophomores playing U15 is pitiful.

Dicks is great in theory....you take the winners from all the top regional tournaments and have them play in a national playoff. Unfortunately many of the regional tournaments do not have the top teams in that region, so a lot of B level teams qualify and get blown out by the 1 or 2 AA teams that do decide to pay the money to travel to Florida.

This is true but not as bad as it sounds. You go from AA+ all the way down to B. So there will be plenty of blowouts, but you will also inevitably play teams near your own level.

For example, in the U13 division (won by Madlax), other than the local team (kudos to them for playing), all of the bottom seeds from day 1 had at least one victory and one or two very close losses. Same in the U11 division. And there were a lot of 1 goal games among some of the top seeds in all the divisions.

And how great is it to play teams from all over North America that you would never otherwise play?

So, as long as families make the trip with the right expectations (and avoid I-75 N of Tampa and I-95 in SC after 8am) and make sure to get to the beach or pool, it's a great trip and not much more expensive than any other tournament.

PS - My team qualified but I never bothered to tell anyone. Who's going to spend their Winter break going to a lacrosse tournament? Well, a Mom talked me into sending out an email in the Fall and 2 days later I had 17 players committed. I controlled expectations about W-L's and everyone had a good experience. Spent NYE with my feet in the sand. Not a bad deal. All that said, I'm not happy about them moving the age cutoff from 8/1 to 6/1 - I understand why they are doing it but I think 8/1 was the right date.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The [lacrosse]'s Tournament is fine if you are looking/can afford a family vacation in FL. Both like Vail, most of the teams are dreadful.

And any tournament that has rising sophomores playing U15 is pitiful.

I agree - the way they handle age cutoffs is wierd but all teams adjust and is generally the same for all in that division. I think the age cutoff is June of the year of the tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The [lacrosse]'s Tournament is fine if you are looking/can afford a family vacation in FL. Both like Vail, most of the teams are dreadful.

And any tournament that has rising sophomores playing U15 is pitiful.

Dicks is great in theory....you take the winners from all the top regional tournaments and have them play in a national playoff. Unfortunately many of the regional tournaments do not have the top teams in that region, so a lot of B level teams qualify and get blown out by the 1 or 2 AA teams that do decide to pay the money to travel to Florida.

This is true but not as bad as it sounds. You go from AA+ all the way down to B. So there will be plenty of blowouts, but you will also inevitably play teams near your own level.

For example, in the U13 division (won by Madlax), other than the local team (kudos to them for playing), all of the bottom seeds from day 1 had at least one victory and one or two very close losses. Same in the U11 division. And there were a lot of 1 goal games among some of the top seeds in all the divisions.

And how great is it to play teams from all over North America that you would never otherwise play?

So, as long as families make the trip with the right expectations (and avoid I-75 N of Tampa and I-95 in SC after 8am) and make sure to get to the beach or pool, it's a great trip and not much more expensive than any other tournament.

PS - My team qualified but I never bothered to tell anyone. Who's going to spend their Winter break going to a lacrosse tournament? Well, a Mom talked me into sending out an email in the Fall and 2 days later I had 17 players committed. I controlled expectations about W-L's and everyone had a good experience. Spent NYE with my feet in the sand. Not a bad deal. All that said, I'm not happy about them moving the age cutoff from 8/1 to 6/1 - I understand why they are doing it but I think 8/1 was the right date.

Whats the reason why they decided to move the age cutoff to 6/1?

I assume they moved age cutoff due to prevalence of Summer birthdays on 'l33t' teams. Same with World Series I'd guess.

I heard Cavs beat Madlax MD in the Next Level Fall league this past weekend. Anyone know the score and how well the two teams played?

Once again you need to put the year. And this makes sense everyone knew the Maryland teams would not be strong this first year. I think the Maryland teams will be a lot better in the spring. There is lots of rumors of several Maryland clubs closing the doors. Club Blue, Next Level and one other one. But these are rumors take them for what they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once again you need to put the year. And this makes sense everyone knew the Maryland teams would not be strong this first year. I think the Maryland teams will be a lot better in the spring. There is lots of rumors of several Maryland clubs closing the doors. Club Blue, Next Level and one other one. But these are rumors take them for what they are.

Sorry, Cavs 2020 vs. Madlax MD 2020

The Madlax Virginia/Maryland teams are already a disaster. Splitting their B teams into two weaker B teams was just a move to bring in the kids they'd normally cut. More money for them, but worse for those kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once again you need to put the year. And this makes sense everyone knew the Maryland teams would not be strong this first year. I think the Maryland teams will be a lot better in the spring. There is lots of rumors of several Maryland clubs closing the doors. Club Blue, Next Level and one other one. But these are rumors take them for what they are.

Sorry, Cavs 2020 vs. Madlax MD 2020

Did this Cavs team add any kids from Freedom folding or off of any other clubs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax Virginia/Maryland teams are already a disaster. Splitting their B teams into two weaker B teams was just a move to bring in the kids they'd normally cut. More money for them, but worse for those kids.

I think you need to go through the spring and summer tryouts before you kill this new plan. Madlax has structure like it or not . Please write back 12 months from today you might still be correct but I would bet on Madlax putting good teams out there in 12 months.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once again you need to put the year. And this makes sense everyone knew the Maryland teams would not be strong this first year. I think the Maryland teams will be a lot better in the spring. There is lots of rumors of several Maryland clubs closing the doors. Club Blue, Next Level and one other one. But these are rumors take them for what they are.

Sorry, Cavs 2020 vs. Madlax MD 2020

Did this Cavs team add any kids from Freedom folding or off of any other clubs?

Cavs added some new talent from other clubs, also lost some as well. Not sure if anyone from Freedom joined, but there were several Freedom kids during tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax Virginia/Maryland teams are already a disaster. Splitting their B teams into two weaker B teams was just a move to bring in the kids they'd normally cut. More money for them, but worse for those kids.

I think you need to go through the spring and summer tryouts before you kill this new plan. Madlax has structure like it or not . Please write back 12 months from today you might still be correct but I would bet on Madlax putting good teams out there in 12 months.

You can tell by those rosters that the move (though probably successfully financially short-term) is not a good one. The talent on those teams is pretty bad. Not surprised to see they combined a few grade years for some teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax Virginia/Maryland teams are already a disaster. Splitting their B teams into two weaker B teams was just a move to bring in the kids they'd normally cut. More money for them, but worse for those kids.

I think you need to go through the spring and summer tryouts before you kill this new plan. Madlax has structure like it or not . Please write back 12 months from today you might still be correct but I would bet on Madlax putting good teams out there in 12 months.

You can tell by those rosters that the move (though probably successfully financially short-term) is not a good one. The talent on those teams is pretty bad. Not surprised to see they combined a few grade years for some teams.

Ok let's ask a question the kids who used to get cut did they still leave and go play travel somewhere? I would say yes. Next question is there enough talent on these other teams to take from to field a good team? I would say yes. Also it's fall the lightest numbers of the year.

The 2020 VA and MD teams do not have enough players and the teams share several players in order to get 17 players per team....I doubt they cut many players at all. I think madlax is reaching on this, but then again I haven't run a lax organization so what do I really know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2020 VA and MD teams do not have enough players and the teams share several players in order to get 17 players per team....I doubt they cut many players at all. I think madlax is reaching on this, but then again I haven't run a lax organization so what do I really know?

It doesn't matter if it's Madlax or any other club. Taking your B team and dividing into 2 doesn't make sense for the kids. It only makes sense if you are trying to make more money.

I saw this team play. They are pretty bad.

Anyone know how madlax 2024 did versus Bethesda 2024 last weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2020 VA and MD teams do not have enough players and the teams share several players in order to get 17 players per team....I doubt they cut many players at all. I think madlax is reaching on this, but then again I haven't run a lax organization so what do I really know?

It doesn't matter if it's Madlax or any other club. Taking your B team and dividing into 2 doesn't make sense for the kids. It only makes sense if you are trying to make more money.

I saw this team play. They are pretty bad.

I love when its Madlax its about making money but when its the other lower clubs playing in the same league and with the same talent level its giving kids a chance to play and get better. Even if the teams are not winning games with this new system those kids will have better coaching and the chance to play in 30 to 40% more games over the next year then the other A/B level teams in the area. And I am willing to bet that other kids will see that the teams are a little low on talent and they will be asking and trying out for these Madlax teams in the spring/summer. Being part of a larger organization is better in the long run. The chance to move up from these teams is real I have seen it and been part of it. And if you are a A level player who is on the edge of being a AA player this is the best option for you. I know I sound like a Homer but this is what I see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know I sound like a Homer but this is what I see.

That's the only correct thing you said in that post. Have you seen those teams play?

Playing for a B team is never a good idea, Dad.

What is wrong with having a B team. If the kids want it and the parents can afford it where is the harm? I am the parent of a very strong AA player and two weaker B level players. It is what it is and we are not all created equal. There should be avenues for all players. Kids should still be able to enjoy the game without being groomed to be D1 players. I am not a Madlax parent!

what!!??? I thought if you kid is not AA his a throw away?!? You mean every kid that wants to play should have fun?? You are on the wrong thread.

I think the madlax model definitely has a place in nova where the options are few. I just think they may be pricing themselves out of the market a bit. Sharing players between teams to be able to make a full roster for both is tough. Hopefully it's a good deal for those kids doing both and they can play 2 games for the price of only one. Anyone know how blackwolf is doing at the youth level? Did they field teams at the lower year groups?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know I sound like a Homer but this is what I see.

That's the only correct thing you said in that post. Have you seen those teams play?

Playing for a B team is never a good idea, Dad.

Well if you are going to play on a B level team Madlax is still the best option no fear of folding, organized and solid to great coaches. Once again name a better option for the kids on these teams and you are saying Next level or elevation are better. Or are you saying Cavs, Battlelax, or VELL are better then playing for a Madlax state team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the madlax model definitely has a place in nova where the options are few. I just think they may be pricing themselves out of the market a bit. Sharing players between teams to be able to make a full roster for both is tough. Hopefully it's a good deal for those kids doing both and they can play 2 games for the price of only one. Anyone know how blackwolf is doing at the youth level? Did they field teams at the lower year groups?

I know Blackwolf has a 2019 team but they really are not doing anything but a couple of practices right now. Blackwolf has great teams and players but they do way less actives compared to Madlax and VLC. I also agree with the Pricing out model I think Madlax would put themselves over the top if they charged less for the state team players. or now that they do have more teams to lower it for everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is wrong with having a B team. If the kids want it and the parents can afford it where is the harm? I am the parent of a very strong AA player and two weaker B level players. It is what it is and we are not all created equal. There should be avenues for all players. Kids should still be able to enjoy the game without being groomed to be D1 players. I am not a Madlax parent!

You are right - there is nothing wrong with being a B level player, especially if the kid just wants to have fun and has not expectations of playing at a higher level.

I think the point is that Madlax has chosen to split their B team into two, which sounds like it benefits the bottom line more than the players. It depends a lot on the age of the kid, too. If a kid is in HS and wants to be recruited, playing on a B team is a bad idea. As a youth, he might be better served playing on an different A team that has better players or plays better competition.

BLC 2024 Blue 6
Madlax Capital 2024 5

Was a good game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is wrong with having a B team. If the kids want it and the parents can afford it where is the harm? I am the parent of a very strong AA player and two weaker B level players. It is what it is and we are not all created equal. There should be avenues for all players. Kids should still be able to enjoy the game without being groomed to be D1 players. I am not a Madlax parent!

You are right - there is nothing wrong with being a B level player, especially if the kid just wants to have fun and has not expectations of playing at a higher level.

I think the point is that Madlax has chosen to split their B team into two, which sounds like it benefits the bottom line more than the players. It depends a lot on the age of the kid, too. If a kid is in HS and wants to be recruited, playing on a B team is a bad idea. As a youth, he might be better served playing on an different A team that has better players or plays better competition.

This is where you are so wrong Madlax A teams play in the same or better tournaments then all the A level teams around. If you are good enough to make VLC or Blackwolf you also should be on the top Madlax Captial team. So if you can not make these three top NOVA teams a Madlax State team is the next best option hands down. We are talking about kids on the line between A and AA players. Wining a tournament in Richmond on a lower level "A" team is not better then playing for a state Madlax team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is wrong with having a B team. If the kids want it and the parents can afford it where is the harm? I am the parent of a very strong AA player and two weaker B level players. It is what it is and we are not all created equal. There should be avenues for all players. Kids should still be able to enjoy the game without being groomed to be D1 players. I am not a Madlax parent!

You are right - there is nothing wrong with being a B level player, especially if the kid just wants to have fun and has not expectations of playing at a higher level.

I think the point is that Madlax has chosen to split their B team into two, which sounds like it benefits the bottom line more than the players. It depends a lot on the age of the kid, too. If a kid is in HS and wants to be recruited, playing on a B team is a bad idea. As a youth, he might be better served playing on an different A team that has better players or plays better competition.

When it comes to the bottom line Madlax is not a 501C they are for profit we all know this. So all of there teams being good and playing in the best places make them more money also. So I think they have been doing this long enough to maybe pull off these extra teams. No one answer my question about the amount of talent in the area to handle 3 Madlax teams. I would say there is. But everyone is lazy and does no research and just listen to there local coach whos son got cut from Madlax some years ago. I am willing to bet Madlax has cut more kids in the last 10 years then any other club. So that equals a lot of mad dads and moms out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is wrong with having a B team. If the kids want it and the parents can afford it where is the harm? I am the parent of a very strong AA player and two weaker B level players. It is what it is and we are not all created equal. There should be avenues for all players. Kids should still be able to enjoy the game without being groomed to be D1 players. I am not a Madlax parent!

You are right - there is nothing wrong with being a B level player, especially if the kid just wants to have fun and has not expectations of playing at a higher level.

I think the point is that Madlax has chosen to split their B team into two, which sounds like it benefits the bottom line more than the players. It depends a lot on the age of the kid, too. If a kid is in HS and wants to be recruited, playing on a B team is a bad idea. As a youth, he might be better served playing on an different A team that has better players or plays better competition.

When it comes to the bottom line Madlax is not a 501C they are for profit we all know this. So all of there teams being good and playing in the best places make them more money also. So I think they have been doing this long enough to maybe pull off these extra teams. No one answer my question about the amount of talent in the area to handle 3 Madlax teams. I would say there is. But everyone is lazy and does no research and just listen to there local coach whos son got cut from Madlax some years ago. I am willing to bet Madlax has cut more kids in the last 10 years then any other club. So that equals a lot of mad dads and moms out there.

Can you tell me where you graduated from college? I just want to make sure my son doesn't end up there. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is wrong with having a B team. If the kids want it and the parents can afford it where is the harm? I am the parent of a very strong AA player and two weaker B level players. It is what it is and we are not all created equal. There should be avenues for all players. Kids should still be able to enjoy the game without being groomed to be D1 players. I am not a Madlax parent!

You are right - there is nothing wrong with being a B level player, especially if the kid just wants to have fun and has not expectations of playing at a higher level.

I think the point is that Madlax has chosen to split their B team into two, which sounds like it benefits the bottom line more than the players. It depends a lot on the age of the kid, too. If a kid is in HS and wants to be recruited, playing on a B team is a bad idea. As a youth, he might be better served playing on an different A team that has better players or plays better competition.

This is where you are so wrong Madlax A teams play in the same or better tournaments then all the A level teams around. If you are good enough to make VLC or Blackwolf you also should be on the top Madlax Captial team. So if you can not make these three top NOVA teams a Madlax State team is the next best option hands down. We are talking about kids on the line between A and AA players. Wining a tournament in Richmond on a lower level "A" team is not better then playing for a state Madlax team.

What about Cavalier 2020? They apparently smoked Madlax MD AA (not sure if they are really AA, but that's what they are calling them) last weekend in the Next Level fall league...

That's why it's called "Madlax."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is wrong with having a B team. If the kids want it and the parents can afford it where is the harm? I am the parent of a very strong AA player and two weaker B level players. It is what it is and we are not all created equal. There should be avenues for all players. Kids should still be able to enjoy the game without being groomed to be D1 players. I am not a Madlax parent!

You are right - there is nothing wrong with being a B level player, especially if the kid just wants to have fun and has not expectations of playing at a higher level.

I think the point is that Madlax has chosen to split their B team into two, which sounds like it benefits the bottom line more than the players. It depends a lot on the age of the kid, too. If a kid is in HS and wants to be recruited, playing on a B team is a bad idea. As a youth, he might be better served playing on an different A team that has better players or plays better competition.

This is where you are so wrong Madlax A teams play in the same or better tournaments then all the A level teams around. If you are good enough to make VLC or Blackwolf you also should be on the top Madlax Captial team. So if you can not make these three top NOVA teams a Madlax State team is the next best option hands down. We are talking about kids on the line between A and AA players. Wining a tournament in Richmond on a lower level "A" team is not better then playing for a state Madlax team.

What about Cavalier 2020? They apparently smoked Madlax MD AA (not sure if they are really AA, but that's what they are calling them) last weekend in the Next Level fall league...

That was a state team like what we are talking about. There Top Capital teams do not play in next level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is wrong with having a B team. If the kids want it and the parents can afford it where is the harm? I am the parent of a very strong AA player and two weaker B level players. It is what it is and we are not all created equal. There should be avenues for all players. Kids should still be able to enjoy the game without being groomed to be D1 players. I am not a Madlax parent!

You are right - there is nothing wrong with being a B level player, especially if the kid just wants to have fun and has not expectations of playing at a higher level.

I think the point is that Madlax has chosen to split their B team into two, which sounds like it benefits the bottom line more than the players. It depends a lot on the age of the kid, too. If a kid is in HS and wants to be recruited, playing on a B team is a bad idea. As a youth, he might be better served playing on an different A team that has better players or plays better competition.

When it comes to the bottom line Madlax is not a 501C they are for profit we all know this. So all of there teams being good and playing in the best places make them more money also. So I think they have been doing this long enough to maybe pull off these extra teams. No one answer my question about the amount of talent in the area to handle 3 Madlax teams. I would say there is. But everyone is lazy and does no research and just listen to there local coach whos son got cut from Madlax some years ago. I am willing to bet Madlax has cut more kids in the last 10 years then any other club. So that equals a lot of mad dads and moms out there.

Can you tell me where you graduated from college? I just want to make sure my son doesn't end up there. Thanks.

So my bad spelling and grammer make me wrong how? What part of what I said upset you so much. The fact that Cavs 2020 are pretty good prove my point. Those kids are going to play in crappy tournaments the next 2 or three years tell they get smart and play for Madlax,Blackwolf or VLC

Nobody's mad at you dude. But you keep insisting that this Madlax MD and VA thing is working just fine. Considering they officially had to combine some grades, had to share players during the day because the lack of numbers, etc. it's hard to agree with you. The one Madlax state team I saw was very weak.

It is unbelievable the amount of people that spend so much time on this forum bashing Madlax. If you don't like it then leave the forum. If your son doesn't like it then leave the program. This really cracked me up - "If a kid is in HS and wants to be recruited, playing on a B team is a bad idea. As a youth, he might be better served playing on an different A team that has better players or plays better competition." The reality is if your son is in HS and only playing on a "B" team, the likelihood of him getting recruited is probably pretty slim. That said - there is some benefit to playing on a club like Madlax if he can only make the "B" team because there is room to move up, there is the greater possiblity of having more playing time regardless of the competition which may improve his skill set and allow him to make an "A" team or an "AA" team. All the people complaining about the new Madlax model should just pack their bags and move on. Your just wasting your time here unless of course you enjoy wallowing in your sorrows...

[quote=Anonymous]It is unbelievable the amount of people that spend so much time on this forum bashing Madlax./quote]

There is actually much more bashing of other clubs on this forum (such as taking shots at Cavalier, etc.)

As for HS, you couldn't be more wrong. If you are on a Madlax B team, you have to find a new club. It is stupid to wait until a spot opens up because you are losing valuable recruiting time. Those spots don't open up except for when kids leaves for other clubs or stop playing club lacrosse because they've committed.

You can see the Va-MD teams are doing Fallfest on Saturday and Capital on Sunday. Will be interesting to see whether the 3d Pacific teams coming both days will be AA or A - that's quite a lot of territory from which to assemble a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]It is unbelievable the amount of people that spend so much time on this forum bashing Madlax./quote]

There is actually much more bashing of other clubs on this forum (such as taking shots at Cavalier, etc.)

As for HS, you couldn't be more wrong. If you are on a Madlax B team, you have to find a new club. It is stupid to wait until a spot opens up because you are losing valuable recruiting time. Those spots don't open up except for when kids leaves for other clubs or stop playing club lacrosse because they've committed.

Well this is my point people think Cavs is a better option. The Cavs top teams do not play in the top tournaments they play in the same tournaments as Madlax B/state teams at the youth and high school level. That is my point Cavs,Battlelax,freedom, VELL all play in worse or same level tournaments as Madlax state teams. Please go online and prove me wrong. VLC,Blackworlf and Madlax Cap. are the only teams playing in the top tournaments youth and high school. So if you are going to play A level ball play Madlax with the chance to move up to play AA at some point.

That's terrible advice. Nobody from Madlax' B teams moves up. Kids only move up when someone on their Orange team leaves for another club or stop playing because they are committed. You could be waiting 4 years to be able to move up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]It is unbelievable the amount of people that spend so much time on this forum bashing Madlax./quote]

There is actually much more bashing of other clubs on this forum (such as taking shots at Cavalier, etc.)

As for HS, you couldn't be more wrong. If you are on a Madlax B team, you have to find a new club. It is stupid to wait until a spot opens up because you are losing valuable recruiting time. Those spots don't open up except for when kids leaves for other clubs or stop playing club lacrosse because they've committed.

My main point is if you are in HS and playing on a "B" club team, the real liklihood of you getting recruited is pretty slim. I agree with you that spots on the top teams do not open very often but I've seen it and not just where kids have left but where some kids have just worked harder for the spot and beat out kids that had it for a long time...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's terrible advice. Nobody from Madlax' B teams moves up. Kids only move up when someone on their Orange team leaves for another club or stop playing because they are committed. You could be waiting 4 years to be able to move up.

My point was unless you are playing for VLC or Blackwolf you are not up either. All other clubs from NOVA play everywhere Madlax B teams play or tournaments even worse. So both options are the same but at least Madlax has a name and a chance to move up.

If your kid is on any B team, you have to try to find a team that plays in better tournament, has better teammates and plays better competition. Period.

I'm no madlax fan, but I do not agree with the bashing of the B teams. They have a viable place. Many folks in nova have an unacceptable rec situation. The quality of rec in some places is just plain awful. Madlax offers an alternative to that. Lots of these kids aren't interested in playing in college at all....they just want to play where there is at least some expectation of performance.

My main point is if you are in HS and playing on a "B" club team, the real liklihood of you getting recruited is pretty slim. I agree with you that spots on the top teams do not open very often but I've seen it and not just where kids have left but where some kids have just worked harder for the spot and beat out kids that had it for a long time... [/quote]

That is a ridiculous statement, being recruited happens on a B team if you are at the right tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My main point is if you are in HS and playing on a "B" club team, the real liklihood of you getting recruited is pretty slim. I agree with you that spots on the top teams do not open very often but I've seen it and not just where kids have left but where some kids have just worked harder for the spot and beat out kids that had it for a long time...

That is a ridiculous statement, being recruited happens on a B team if you are at the right tournaments.[/quote]

Completely agree. You are much better off on a top level club's B team, that plays in good tournaments, then you are on a lower level A team. You are much more likely to be noticed playing for FCA White, MADLAX Orange, etc than you are playing for Lax World, Roughriders, etc

Fca white=rec b players
Madlax= AA-a+
Rough would beat both

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fca white=rec b players
Madlax= AA-a+
Rough would beat both

Correct. Roughriders 2020 are solid. FCA White is A...not AA, but not B either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fca white=rec b players
Madlax= AA-a+
Rough would beat both

Correct. Roughriders 2020 are solid. FCA White is A...not AA, but not B either.

2020 Roughriders lost approx four top players to Looney's.

Define top players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Define top players.

athletes that compete at a high level and have an impact on the game.

In 4 years no one cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fca white=rec b players
Madlax= AA-a+
Rough would beat both

Correct. Roughriders 2020 are solid. FCA White is A...not AA, but not B either.

2020 Roughriders lost approx four top players to Looney's.

4 solid players but were not the top players on RR and at least two left due to philosophy differences - one the assistant coaches son. Wondering If they will see much play time if Looneys did not replace anyone to bring them on as the 2020 Orange was a great team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My main point is if you are in HS and playing on a "B" club team, the real liklihood of you getting recruited is pretty slim. I agree with you that spots on the top teams do not open very often but I've seen it and not just where kids have left but where some kids have just worked harder for the spot and beat out kids that had it for a long time...

That is a ridiculous statement, being recruited happens on a B team if you are at the right tournaments. [/quote]

I would love to see a list of "B" team players that have been recruited and by who. Not arguing just would like to see the list if there is one

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is a ridiculous statement, being recruited happens on a B team if you are at the right tournaments.

Uh no. Nobody is watching any B team no matter what the tournament is. Except the schools that are focused on B level talent, and that doesn't matter what the tournament is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fca white=rec b players
Madlax= AA-a+
Rough would beat both

Correct. Roughriders 2020 are solid. FCA White is A...not AA, but not B either.

2020 Roughriders lost approx four top players to Looney's.

Heard 2021 ROugh Riders also lost some good kids to Bitmore.

4 solid players but were not the top players on RR and at least two left due to philosophy differences - one the assistant coaches son. Wondering If they will see much play time if Looneys did not replace anyone to bring them on as the 2020 Orange was a great team.

Roughriders is a weak program overall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is a ridiculous statement, being recruited happens on a B team if you are at the right tournaments.

Uh no. Nobody is watching any B team no matter what the tournament is. Except the schools that are focused on B level talent, and that doesn't matter what the tournament is.

Uh yeah, saw Loyola, Maryland, Hopkins, Furman all lined up watching some B teams at College Park over the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Uh yeah, saw Loyola, Maryland, Hopkins, Furman all lined up watching some B teams at College Park over the summer.

Sure you did. Please tell me what B teams Maryland and Hopkins were lined up to watch. Interested to see who you name since it will be a complete lie.

If there were any coaches there, it's because they were watching the previous game and hadn't packed up yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fca white=rec b players
Madlax= AA-a+
Rough would beat both

Correct. Roughriders 2020 are solid. FCA White is A...not AA, but not B either.

The original question was about high school B teams which 2020 is not

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Uh yeah, saw Loyola, Maryland, Hopkins, Furman all lined up watching some B teams at College Park over the summer.

Sure you did. Please tell me what B teams Maryland and Hopkins were lined up to watch. Interested to see who you name since it will be a complete lie.

If there were any coaches there, it's because they were watching the previous game and hadn't packed up yet.

Hawks against Wolfpack, it was the first game of the day

Right. The coaches from Maryland and Hopkins were really there to see the Hawks B and Wolfpack teams. Especially that top tier Wolfpack program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right. The coaches from Maryland and Hopkins were really there to see the Hawks B and Wolfpack teams. Especially that top tier Wolfpack program.

You are right, I'm making the whole thing up.

Ok Madlax just put out all there Fall tournaments for there teams this Fall. Lets start listing them by age and team and compare who has the best fall line up. I say start with 2017 and go down from there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right. The coaches from Maryland and Hopkins were really there to see the Hawks B and Wolfpack teams. Especially that top tier Wolfpack program.

Absolutely right - there can't possibly be any promise in B team players, they must be fully developed by 8th grade and not worth looking at. Just ask Rob Pannell...

Idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My main point is if you are in HS and playing on a "B" club team, the real liklihood of you getting recruited is pretty slim. I agree with you that spots on the top teams do not open very often but I've seen it and not just where kids have left but where some kids have just worked harder for the spot and beat out kids that had it for a long time...

That is a ridiculous statement, being recruited happens on a B team if you are at the right tournaments.

I would love to see a list of "B" team players that have been recruited and by who. Not arguing just would like to see the list if there is one [/quote]

Don't have time or desire to research or make a list but off the top of my head I know 2 FCA White 2017s that were recruited to Navy and AF. They are on the Blue team now that they have committed but neither of them were on the Blue team when they got their initial looks from their schools.

Recruiting has become a "study" for some parents, a "money-maker" for some club coaches, and a "land grab" for some college coaches. Whole process is screwed up. If your kid is at the right tournament and he plays in way that fits a coaches prospective need, he will get a look... whatever team he is on. Belebe it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right. The coaches from Maryland and Hopkins were really there to see the Hawks B and Wolfpack teams. Especially that top tier Wolfpack program.

Absolutely right - there can't possibly be any promise in B team players, they must be fully developed by 8th grade and not worth looking at. Just ask Rob Pannell...

Idiot.

Or Kevin Buchanan.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right. The coaches from Maryland and Hopkins were really there to see the Hawks B and Wolfpack teams. Especially that top tier Wolfpack program.

Absolutely right - there can't possibly be any promise in B team players, they must be fully developed by 8th grade and not worth looking at. Just ask Rob Pannell...

Idiot.

Or Kevin Buchanan.

So quiet now - could we possibly have exorcised this thread from the idiot demons? Nothing more to say, genius that believes someone is fully developed by age 13 and Mr. "I was playing you all"? LOL

Any thoughts on Madlax 2024 team? Which is the best club for youth lacrosse? Madlax vs Next Level vs Bethesda vs Performance?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts on Madlax 2024 team? Which is the best club for youth lacrosse? Madlax vs Next Level vs Bethesda vs Performance?

So 2024 means 4th grade, right? Are you seriously talking about who has the best 4th grade team? Really?

Of the 4 teams above, which club does the best job teaching at teaching youth players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of the 4 teams above, which club does the best job teaching at teaching youth players?

Annapolis Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of the 4 teams above, which club does the best job teaching at teaching youth players?

Annapolis Hawks

"Of the 4 teams above (Madlax, Next Level, Bethesda, Performance), which club does the best job at teaching youth players"

Answer: Annapolis Hawks

Classic - clearly sports, not intellect, got you into college (if you went)...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of the 4 teams above, which club does the best job teaching at teaching youth players?

Annapolis Hawks

"Of the 4 teams above (Madlax, Next Level, Bethesda, Performance), which club does the best job at teaching youth players"

Answer: Annapolis Hawks

Classic - clearly sports, not intellect, got you into college (if you went)...

Actually Biff, I was a three time All American in five sports at Harvard and Yale before I rowed for Oxford

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of the 4 teams above, which club does the best job teaching at teaching youth players?

Annapolis Hawks

"Of the 4 teams above (Madlax, Next Level, Bethesda, Performance), which club does the best job at teaching youth players"

Answer: Annapolis Hawks

Classic - clearly sports, not intellect, got you into college (if you went)...

Actually Biff, I was a three time All American in five sports at Harvard and Yale before I rowed for Oxford

I'm sure you rode your unicorn to class there as well, right? moron...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of the 4 teams above, which club does the best job teaching at teaching youth players?

Annapolis Hawks

"Of the 4 teams above (Madlax, Next Level, Bethesda, Performance), which club does the best job at teaching youth players"

Answer: Annapolis Hawks

Classic - clearly sports, not intellect, got you into college (if you went)...

Actually Biff, I was a three time All American in five sports at Harvard and Yale before I rowed for Oxford

So it was sports then? Not even smart enough to make up stories to support the right argument comeback...LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of the 4 teams above, which club does the best job teaching at teaching youth players?

Annapolis Hawks

"Of the 4 teams above (Madlax, Next Level, Bethesda, Performance), which club does the best job at teaching youth players"

Answer: Annapolis Hawks

Classic - clearly sports, not intellect, got you into college (if you went)...

Actually Biff, I was a three time All American in five sports at Harvard and Yale before I rowed for Oxford

I'm sure you rode your unicorn to class there as well, right? moron...

you should take the broom out of your [lacrosse] and relax, it's just a joke Idiot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of the 4 teams above, which club does the best job teaching at teaching youth players?

Annapolis Hawks

"Of the 4 teams above (Madlax, Next Level, Bethesda, Performance), which club does the best job at teaching youth players"

Answer: Annapolis Hawks

Classic - clearly sports, not intellect, got you into college (if you went)...

Actually Biff, I was a three time All American in five sports at Harvard and Yale before I rowed for Oxford

So it was sports then? Not even smart enough to make up stories to support the right argument comeback...LOL

Obviously it was sports and don;t call it a comeback I've been here for years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of the 4 teams above, which club does the best job teaching at teaching youth players?

Annapolis Hawks

"Of the 4 teams above (Madlax, Next Level, Bethesda, Performance), which club does the best job at teaching youth players"

Answer: Annapolis Hawks

Classic - clearly sports, not intellect, got you into college (if you went)...

Actually Biff, I was a three time All American in five sports at Harvard and Yale before I rowed for Oxford

So it was sports then? Not even smart enough to make up stories to support the right argument comeback...LOL

Obviously it was sports and don;t call it a comeback I've been here for years

Nah - it wasn't sports either

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of the 4 teams above, which club does the best job teaching at teaching youth players?

Annapolis Hawks

"Of the 4 teams above (Madlax, Next Level, Bethesda, Performance), which club does the best job at teaching youth players"

Answer: Annapolis Hawks

Classic - clearly sports, not intellect, got you into college (if you went)...

Actually Biff, I was a three time All American in five sports at Harvard and Yale before I rowed for Oxford

I'm sure you rode your unicorn to class there as well, right? moron...

you should take the broom out of your [lacrosse] and relax, it's just a joke Idiot

Good one! (don't quit your day job - those fries won't serve themselves)

It is Bethesda or Madlax. Next Level is weak at just about every grade - except couple. Performance? They don't really have a Team Program at Youth Level - more for training - not teams. Bethesda is much larger youth program than any of these - and focuses only on youth.

Performance does have teams at every grade. Not great talent overall yet, but they are run by good guys (unlike Madlax) and have good coaches.

"Of the 4 teams above (Madlax, Next Level, Bethesda, Performance), which club does the best job at teaching youth players"

Answer: Annapolis Hawks

Classic - clearly sports, not intellect, got you into college (if you went)... [/quote]

Actually Biff, I was a three time All American in five sports at Harvard and Yale before I rowed for Oxford[/quote]

I'm sure you rode your unicorn to class there as well, right? moron... [/quote]

you should take the broom out of your [lacrosse] and relax, it's just a joke Idiot[/quote]

Good one! (don't quit your day job - those fries won't serve themselves) [/quote]
funny, i can't serve the fries until you get them cooked

You dads are weird.

Performance had about 50 kids at tryouts acrosse all grades. Bethesda had 500..... its a numbers game - Performance not a youth program for teams. not their fault - just is what is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Of the 4 teams above (Madlax, Next Level, Bethesda, Performance), which club does the best job at teaching youth players"

Answer: Annapolis Hawks

Classic - clearly sports, not intellect, got you into college (if you went)...

Actually Biff, I was a three time All American in five sports at Harvard and Yale before I rowed for Oxford[/quote]

I'm sure you rode your unicorn to class there as well, right? moron... [/quote]

you should take the broom out of your [lacrosse] and relax, it's just a joke Idiot[/quote]

Good one! (don't quit your day job - those fries won't serve themselves) [/quote]
funny, i can't serve the fries until you get them cooked[/quote]

It would be nice if instead of this type of post, you posted something actually productive and lacrosse-related. Just a thought, since this is a lacrosse forum and all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Performance had about 50 kids at tryouts acrosse all grades. Bethesda had 500..... its a numbers game - Performance not a youth program for teams. not their fault - just is what is.

That is simply not true. Performance is trying the get a foothold in this market, but it was nowhere near that low for tryouts.

Bethesda does some good things, but it is a rec program. Nearly all the coaches are dads with good intentions, but not qualified to coach top level players. Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf are much better options if you can make their teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Performance had about 50 kids at tryouts acrosse all grades. Bethesda had 500..... its a numbers game - Performance not a youth program for teams. not their fault - just is what is.

That is simply not true. Performance is trying the get a foothold in this market, but it was nowhere near that low for tryouts.

Bethesda does some good things, but it is a rec program. Nearly all the coaches are dads with good intentions, but not qualified to coach top level players. Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf are much better options if you can make their teams.

Note that VLC and Blackwolf are Norther VA based teams, though - they do not have a MD presence, just in case you all are looking for something in MD vice VA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Performance had about 50 kids at tryouts acrosse all grades. Bethesda had 500..... its a numbers game - Performance not a youth program for teams. not their fault - just is what is.

That is simply not true. Performance is trying the get a foothold in this market, but it was nowhere near that low for tryouts.

Bethesda does some good things, but it is a rec program. Nearly all the coaches are dads with good intentions, but not qualified to coach top level players. Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf are much better options if you can make their teams.

Note that VLC and Blackwolf are Norther VA based teams, though - they do not have a MD presence, just in case you all are looking for something in MD vice VA.

That is true, but it's not like driving out to Montana. Both clubs have a lot of MD players on their teams, especially Blackwolf. Several players in this area also make the trek to play for the Crabs as well.

So when is this big Blackwolf unveiling coming with the youth teams. They have great players and great teams. But this club has 3 teams maybe 4. But I can not tell you anything about them or where they plan to play. The website is useless. I think that is the marketing plan. Keep all the info to themselves and when your kid gets the invite to play for them. You think its so special and its invite only so I have to go play for them. This is working for them, they do get great players to play for them. But they are a very small club who plays and practices very little. At least that is what I hear from people who play for them. I would love to confirm this but the website is useless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Performance had about 50 kids at tryouts acrosse all grades. Bethesda had 500..... its a numbers game - Performance not a youth program for teams. not their fault - just is what is.

That is simply not true. Performance is trying the get a foothold in this market, but it was nowhere near that low for tryouts.

Bethesda does some good things, but it is a rec program. Nearly all the coaches are dads with good intentions, but not qualified to coach top level players. Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf are much better options if you can make their teams.

Note that VLC and Blackwolf are Norther VA based teams, though - they do not have a MD presence, just in case you all are looking for something in MD vice VA.

That is true, but it's not like driving out to Montana. Both clubs have a lot of MD players on their teams, especially Blackwolf. Several players in this area also make the trek to play for the Crabs as well.

Completely agree - my son is one of them! Some folks do not choose to spend hours in the car though, so wanted to mention that since it seemed like the OP was more focused on MD based clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So when is this big Blackwolf unveiling coming with the youth teams. They have great players and great teams. But this club has 3 teams maybe 4. But I can not tell you anything about them or where they plan to play. The website is useless. I think that is the marketing plan. Keep all the info to themselves and when your kid gets the invite to play for them. You think its so special and its invite only so I have to go play for them. This is working for them, they do get great players to play for them. But they are a very small club who plays and practices very little. At least that is what I hear from people who play for them. I would love to confirm this but the website is useless.

Trig does not post rosters and team info on his website, but if you contact him, I'm sure he'd be happy to explain the schedule and such.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So when is this big Blackwolf unveiling coming with the youth teams. They have great players and great teams. But this club has 3 teams maybe 4. But I can not tell you anything about them or where they plan to play. The website is useless. I think that is the marketing plan. Keep all the info to themselves and when your kid gets the invite to play for them. You think its so special and its invite only so I have to go play for them. This is working for them, they do get great players to play for them. But they are a very small club who plays and practices very little. At least that is what I hear from people who play for them. I would love to confirm this but the website is useless.

Let's see. You mention:

- they have great players
- they have great teams
- it works for them

What is the issue? That their website doesn't meet your approval, despite the fact you are not affiliated with them? If you don't play for them, why would care?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So when is this big Blackwolf unveiling coming with the youth teams. They have great players and great teams. But this club has 3 teams maybe 4. But I can not tell you anything about them or where they plan to play. The website is useless. I think that is the marketing plan. Keep all the info to themselves and when your kid gets the invite to play for them. You think its so special and its invite only so I have to go play for them. This is working for them, they do get great players to play for them. But they are a very small club who plays and practices very little. At least that is what I hear from people who play for them. I would love to confirm this but the website is useless.

It's called trying to make a informed decision. I would like to compare clubs before I choose a place for my son.

Let's see. You mention:

- they have great players
- they have great teams
- it works for them

What is the issue? That their website doesn't meet your approval, despite the fact you are not affiliated with them? If you don't play for them, why would care?

First of all, everyone knows you are not looking to play for Blackwolf. Second, they ask you to play, you don't "choose" to play for them.

If you are so interested, just email the guy and ask him your weird questions directly.

No 2020 team....not sure about other years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First of all, everyone knows you are not looking to play for Blackwolf. Second, they ask you to play, you don't "choose" to play for them.

If you are so interested, just email the guy and ask him your weird questions directly.

Weird Questions. You mean like what tournaments do you play in? How many teams do you have? Who plays on your teams? Normal questions answered on every club website but his.
And you made my point the marketing angle of only asking players to play for him not having tryouts is a really smart idea. People feel good and special and he pulls good players. But there is something elitist about not having tryouts.

Actually Biff, I was a three time All American in five sports at Harvard and Yale before I rowed for Oxford[/quote]

I'm sure you rode your unicorn to class there as well, right? moron... [/quote]

you should take the broom out of your [lacrosse] and relax, it's just a joke Idiot[/quote]

Good one! (don't quit your day job - those fries won't serve themselves) [/quote]
funny, i can't serve the fries until you get them cooked[/quote]

It would be nice if instead of this type of post, you posted something actually productive and lacrosse-related. Just a thought, since this is a lacrosse forum and all. [/quote]
Thank you Debbie Downer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First of all, everyone knows you are not looking to play for Blackwolf. Second, they ask you to play, you don't "choose" to play for them.

If you are so interested, just email the guy and ask him your weird questions directly.

Weird Questions. You mean like what tournaments do you play in? How many teams do you have? Who plays on your teams? Normal questions answered on every club website but his.
And you made my point the marketing angle of only asking players to play for him not having tryouts is a really smart idea. People feel good and special and he pulls good players. But there is something elitist about not having tryouts.

They are an invitation only club. If they invited your son (and clearly they have no interest), then they would answer any question you ask.

Get a life. Why worry so much about what others are doing?

Ok let's look at what we all talk about and compare on this site. Second when someone talks bad about Madlax or VLC in favor of Blackwolf it would be nice to confirm these claims.

I love the hypocrisy of this message board! Someone asks a question about Blackwolf and everyone jumps up and down -- why worry, why do you care, your son isn't good enough, get a life, etc. etc.

Everyone. Look in the damn mirror. You're on a lacrosse forum talking about your kid's travel lacrosse team. If you don't care and need to get a life, what the [lacrosse] are you doing here? If you're so confident in every decision you've ever made for your son, why are you here? If he is God's gift to the creators game, surely you've got better things to do then browse 86 pages of lacrosse banter?

To answer the original question about Blackwolf, it is indeed an invitation only club. That being said, there is nothing precluding you, your son or preferably your son's coach to reach out to coach Trig to be evaluated/recommended. Trig and staff don't know every damn kid in the DMV with potential; so to say you have to sit and wait on pins and needles for an invite is ludicrous. If you want to play for Blackwolf, reach out. Or better yet attend a camp/clinic. You'll get a flavor for coach Trig's coaching style, and in turn they will get to evaluate your son. Note -- his style isn't for everyone, and he won't apologize for it.

On the youth front, I suspect the thin talent pool is something that is stopping them from fielding a U15 and U13 team. There are a lot of competing clubs; and one can assume that they want to keep the "elite" status of Blackwolf intact. Fielding a medicore U13 or U15 team doesn't make sense from a business or brand POV.

It is not a thin talent pool that's the problem for BW.

The big reason why BW hasn't taken off in the youth market is because Madlax and VLC have stopped BW from poaching their teams. BW was hot 1-2 years ago, but has cooled off recently.

Nova is definitely thinner talent wise in 2020 and younger, but I really don't think Trig ever intended to start a 2020 team this year. I'm guessing he really has his hands full right now. He's not a one man band, but he is not staffed like the others. He just now got a 2019 team going. I'd like to hear if any of the youth teams were able to field a team. One thing I know he won't do is put a marginal team out there. I think madlax and VLC are the safer plays, but as one poster said, Trig really brings kids in with the whole presentation and mystique of the program. He always seems to get it together and field great teams and gets kids to D1 programs consistently. Good on him. 3 solid clubs in Nova is good for everyone.

Thank you for this post this is what I look for on this site. Inside information so we all can understand the NOVA lax land scape and make informed decisions.

He is going to have trouble fielding youth teams because his model is poaching the best players from other clubs, not having a wide net and developing the best talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is going to have trouble fielding youth teams because his model is poaching the best players from other clubs, not having a wide net and developing the best talent.

I agree with this 100% It works to contact and take the best 9th to 11th graders who are already on the colleges radars. to form 3 teams. But if you start this model any younger you will strike out more often.

He is also having problems poaching great players as he's done in the past. He uses his U15 camp as a tryout for interested kids and then puts a hard sell to switch to Blackwolf.

That worked great a few years ago, but Madlax and VLC have circled the wagons and he is having a lot less success poaching players. His current teams aren't nearly as good as his older teams and most of the top talent he gets now are Montgomery County kids and less from NoVA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is also having problems poaching great players as he's done in the past. He uses his U15 camp as a tryout for interested kids and then puts a hard sell to switch to Blackwolf.

That worked great a few years ago, but Madlax and VLC have circled the wagons and he is having a lot less success poaching players. His current teams aren't nearly as good as his older teams and most of the top talent he gets now are Montgomery County kids and less from NoVA.

There definitely is a lot of high-end club competition between Blackwolf, VLC, and Madlax in NoVA. Not having the younger teams and not having tryouts definitely limits BW - despite the solid coaching, as a previous poster mentioned it is a style you will have to be able to handle and not everyone can. The ones who can get top-notch coaching and training. Speaking from experience, it would be a very difficult decision to switch clubs in High School if your son has experienced several years with a high-end club with excellent coaching, successful and knowledgeable recruiting support, etc. (such as you receive at VLC). It definitely happens, but it shrinks the pool quite a bit for a BW type methodology.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is also having problems poaching great players as he's done in the past. He uses his U15 camp as a tryout for interested kids and then puts a hard sell to switch to Blackwolf.

That worked great a few years ago, but Madlax and VLC have circled the wagons and he is having a lot less success poaching players. His current teams aren't nearly as good as his older teams and most of the top talent he gets now are Montgomery County kids and less from NoVA.

There definitely is a lot of high-end club competition between Blackwolf, VLC, and Madlax in NoVA. Not having the younger teams and not having tryouts definitely limits BW - despite the solid coaching, as a previous poster mentioned it is a style you will have to be able to handle and not everyone can. The ones who can get top-notch coaching and training. Speaking from experience, it would be a very difficult decision to switch clubs in High School if your son has experienced several years with a high-end club with excellent coaching, successful and knowledgeable recruiting support, etc. (such as you receive at VLC). It definitely happens, but it shrinks the pool quite a bit for a BW type methodology.

So I gather your son played VLC then switch to play for Blackwolf? If so why and would you do it again?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is also having problems poaching great players as he's done in the past. He uses his U15 camp as a tryout for interested kids and then puts a hard sell to switch to Blackwolf.

That worked great a few years ago, but Madlax and VLC have circled the wagons and he is having a lot less success poaching players. His current teams aren't nearly as good as his older teams and most of the top talent he gets now are Montgomery County kids and less from NoVA.

There definitely is a lot of high-end club competition between Blackwolf, VLC, and Madlax in NoVA. Not having the younger teams and not having tryouts definitely limits BW - despite the solid coaching, as a previous poster mentioned it is a style you will have to be able to handle and not everyone can. The ones who can get top-notch coaching and training. Speaking from experience, it would be a very difficult decision to switch clubs in High School if your son has experienced several years with a high-end club with excellent coaching, successful and knowledgeable recruiting support, etc. (such as you receive at VLC). It definitely happens, but it shrinks the pool quite a bit for a BW type methodology.

So I gather your son played VLC then switch to play for Blackwolf? If so why and would you do it again?

No, I was saying that it would be difficult to do so - he still plays for VLC and he has no intention of switching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is also having problems poaching great players as he's done in the past. He uses his U15 camp as a tryout for interested kids and then puts a hard sell to switch to Blackwolf.

That worked great a few years ago, but Madlax and VLC have circled the wagons and he is having a lot less success poaching players. His current teams aren't nearly as good as his older teams and most of the top talent he gets now are Montgomery County kids and less from NoVA.

There definitely is a lot of high-end club competition between Blackwolf, VLC, and Madlax in NoVA. Not having the younger teams and not having tryouts definitely limits BW - despite the solid coaching, as a previous poster mentioned it is a style you will have to be able to handle and not everyone can. The ones who can get top-notch coaching and training. Speaking from experience, it would be a very difficult decision to switch clubs in High School if your son has experienced several years with a high-end club with excellent coaching, successful and knowledgeable recruiting support, etc. (such as you receive at VLC). It definitely happens, but it shrinks the pool quite a bit for a BW type methodology.

So I gather your son played VLC then switch to play for Blackwolf? If so why and would you do it again?

No, I was saying that it would be difficult to do so - he still plays for VLC and he has no intention of switching.

Ok my mistake, What fall tournaments are VLC playing in this fall. 2019,2018 and 2017? I see there name as going to the Quaker fall laxfest. But your website says two other tournaments.

Everyone's situation is different. It only makes sense to switch if there's a compelling reason to do so. If your kid isn't getting as much playing time at VLC or madlax or if they just don't perform up to their potential in that particular system, then I would say switching to BW would make sense, but if you have a good situation, then why switch. I would guess some switch from madlax due to the $ or the heavy schedule...also good reasons. In the end, you need to do what's best for your kid. Different kids will play better under different systems or coaching styles....getting your kid where he performs best is the goal here in my opinion. All 3 are great clubs and will get your kid seen...he just needs to be at the top of his game when people see him play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone's situation is different. It only makes sense to switch if there's a compelling reason to do so. If your kid isn't getting as much playing time at VLC or madlax or if they just don't perform up to their potential in that particular system, then I would say switching to BW would make sense, but if you have a good situation, then why switch. I would guess some switch from madlax due to the $ or the heavy schedule...also good reasons. In the end, you need to do what's best for your kid. Different kids will play better under different systems or coaching styles....getting your kid where he performs best is the goal here in my opinion. All 3 are great clubs and will get your kid seen...he just needs to be at the top of his game when people see him play.

I agree with this 100%. That is why I wish the 3rd option for NOVA was a little more transparent with what they do and how they work. I think BW would get more kids if the parents knew more about it. I have had several parents ask me what about BW and I say I know they have 3 good high school teams but that is all I can tell you. And these are future low D1 kids.

It is what it is....Trig loves the mystique and I'm sure it appeals to the kids in some way as well. From his cryptic website, to his selection process, to his black car with tinted windows, to the simple black colored uniforms.....it's all part of his packaging. It has worked well for him so far, but it remains to be seen if he can break into the youth market and keep producing quality HS teams. His summer clinics are pretty tough and his approach is definitely not for everyone, but some kids respond to it. If your kid is one of them, BW is worth a look. If not, I wouldn't switch from either madlax or VLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is also having problems poaching great players as he's done in the past. He uses his U15 camp as a tryout for interested kids and then puts a hard sell to switch to Blackwolf.

That worked great a few years ago, but Madlax and VLC have circled the wagons and he is having a lot less success poaching players. His current teams aren't nearly as good as his older teams and most of the top talent he gets now are Montgomery County kids and less from NoVA.

There definitely is a lot of high-end club competition between Blackwolf, VLC, and Madlax in NoVA. Not having the younger teams and not having tryouts definitely limits BW - despite the solid coaching, as a previous poster mentioned it is a style you will have to be able to handle and not everyone can. The ones who can get top-notch coaching and training. Speaking from experience, it would be a very difficult decision to switch clubs in High School if your son has experienced several years with a high-end club with excellent coaching, successful and knowledgeable recruiting support, etc. (such as you receive at VLC). It definitely happens, but it shrinks the pool quite a bit for a BW type methodology.

So I gather your son played VLC then switch to play for Blackwolf? If so why and would you do it again?

No, I was saying that it would be difficult to do so - he still plays for VLC and he has no intention of switching.

Ok my mistake, What fall tournaments are VLC playing in this fall. 2019,2018 and 2017? I see there name as going to the Quaker fall laxfest. But your website says two other tournaments.

Not sure on all of the other grades, but 2018 is Quaker, Terps Classic, and Famous Autumn as of now.

Another organization like the Dukes and HHH and Sweetlax claiming how good their coaching is. I'm calling BS. "give me all the best kid and watch what I do. we have the best coaches, play for us", blah blah blah. Develop a kid into a great player than talk to me. Christ Dukes takes kids from all over the country. Same as sweet lax. Your not good your just stacked. .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is also having problems poaching great players as he's done in the past. He uses his U15 camp as a tryout for interested kids and then puts a hard sell to switch to Blackwolf.

That worked great a few years ago, but Madlax and VLC have circled the wagons and he is having a lot less success poaching players. His current teams aren't nearly as good as his older teams and most of the top talent he gets now are Montgomery County kids and less from NoVA.

There definitely is a lot of high-end club competition between Blackwolf, VLC, and Madlax in NoVA. Not having the younger teams and not having tryouts definitely limits BW - despite the solid coaching, as a previous poster mentioned it is a style you will have to be able to handle and not everyone can. The ones who can get top-notch coaching and training. Speaking from experience, it would be a very difficult decision to switch clubs in High School if your son has experienced several years with a high-end club with excellent coaching, successful and knowledgeable recruiting support, etc. (such as you receive at VLC). It definitely happens, but it shrinks the pool quite a bit for a BW type methodology.

So I gather your son played VLC then switch to play for Blackwolf? If so why and would you do it again?

No, I was saying that it would be difficult to do so - he still plays for VLC and he has no intention of switching.

Ok my mistake, What fall tournaments are VLC playing in this fall. 2019,2018 and 2017? I see there name as going to the Quaker fall laxfest. But your website says two other tournaments.

Not sure on all of the other grades, but 2018 is Quaker, Terps Classic, and Famous Autumn as of now.

We all know that coaching is very subjective when it comes to Travel ball. But there is a theory of which style best showcases the kids for the next level of play. If your team is running very complex pick plays with a set ball movement and the guys are taking easy open shots is this the best Offense to show how good of a player your kids are? Or would a one on one or two man game Offense show off your kids skills better? I agree the more complex Offenses win games but I think its harder to see which kids are best. It is like the Princeton Offense in basketball compared to the Run and shoot Offense. Which one is easier to see which kids are great?

Do programs like Dukes and Sweetlax ever practice except the afternoon before a tournament?

Is Blackwolf like them or does it practice 1-2x a week?

I tend to respect more the model where programs train kids from an early age. No, I don't think a trick zone defense and a bunch of set plays are what college coaches are looking for, but surely coaches prefer to see players play team man-to-man defense and players properly moving off-ball in a 2-3-1, 22 or 1-4-1 offense. Is a stud really going to be hidden within a simple team defense or offense? (That said, Danowski said in his clinic last week that Duke ends up recruiting individual stud defenders based on 1v1 play and has to teach them team defense. I don't think he said that in a good way - just that's how the system is right now. Again, though, I have a hard time believing coaches won't notice an ACC stud defender just because he's in a defense where folks know their 1st, 2nd and 3rd slides.)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do programs like Dukes and Sweetlax ever practice except the afternoon before a tournament?

Is Blackwolf like them or does it practice 1-2x a week?

I tend to respect more the model where programs train kids from an early age. No, I don't think a trick zone defense and a bunch of set plays are what college coaches are looking for, but surely coaches prefer to see players play team man-to-man defense and players properly moving off-ball in a 2-3-1, 22 or 1-4-1 offense. Is a stud really going to be hidden within a simple team defense or offense? (That said, Danowski said in his clinic last week that Duke ends up recruiting individual stud defenders based on 1v1 play and has to teach them team defense. I don't think he said that in a good way - just that's how the system is right now. Again, though, I have a hard time believing coaches won't notice an ACC stud defender just because he's in a defense where folks know their 1st, 2nd and 3rd slides.)

I was more talking about the Offensive side of the ball. But when a team is playing a more 1v1 Off. it does showcase the other teams D pole better I would think. Like the Duke coach he can coach a scheme and its harder to teach skill and foot speed.

Is MadLax tapped into the Landon School/do a significant number of the Landon players come from the MadLax program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MadLax tapped into the Landon School/do a significant number of the Landon players come from the MadLax program?

I think Madlax pulls from all the private schools but look for more Landon kids now that the started the Madlax Maryland teams. The Landon coaches are part of that

Landon boys don't flock to any particular club.

There are just as many Landon kids who play for Blackwolf and VLC as there are who play for Madlax.

Landon's LS and MS program is very weak right now. They really rely on kids transferring in to the high school.

Most of the Landon MS kids are with the revamped Next Level program right now, about 8-12 per grade. Some with Bethesds, few with Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most of the Landon MS kids are with the revamped Next Level program right now, about 8-12 per grade. Some with Bethesds, few with Madlax.

This is not correct

As a Landon MS parent whose kid just moved to Next Level, here are the actual numbers. NL has 2 8th grade teams with 8 Landon students, Madlax, as far as I know has none. NL's 7th grade team has 7 Landon players. 4 Landon 7th graders play for Bethesda's top team. NL's 6th grade teams have 13 Landon students. 3 6th graders play for Club Blue and one for Madlax. Earlier statement sounds pretty accurate.

Writing this reminds me how lame it is that I actually know this. Serious Lax dad problem. Whatever YOLO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a Landon MS parent whose kid just moved to Next Level, here are the actual numbers. NL has 2 8th grade teams with 8 Landon students, Madlax, as far as I know has none. NL's 7th grade team has 7 Landon players. 4 Landon 7th graders play for Bethesda's top team. NL's 6th grade teams have 13 Landon students. 3 6th graders play for Club Blue and one for Madlax. Earlier statement sounds pretty accurate.

Writing this reminds me how lame it is that I actually know this. Serious Lax dad problem. Whatever YOLO.

This is odd to read NL always has good to avg. teams wonder why so many Landon kids choose them not a Madlax or another club that could be great

Convenience and social reasons. Pack mentality.

There are very few impactful kids in the Landon middle school right now. Their MS teams last spring were terrible. Got crushed by Mater Dei across the board.

The Landon MS should get crushed by Mater Dei with their institutionalized reclassifying policy!

OMG...someone please change the record.....

Of course, the fact that it's true doesn't help

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Landon MS should get crushed by Mater Dei with their institutionalized reclassifying policy!

Mater Dei has more reclassed kids, but don't pretend that it doesn't happen at Landon. They have their share as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Landon MS should get crushed by Mater Dei with their institutionalized reclassifying policy!

Mater Dei has more reclassed kids, but don't pretend that it doesn't happen at Landon. They have their share as well.

All rich people everywhere reclass their kids in 2015. Or they start them late depending on their Birthday. If you pay 25k for 1st grade another year of daycare at 8k is a bargain.

Kids repeating a grade before going to an IAC school for 9th grade is close to a given these days. The IAC has a league rule stating a kid can only play 4 years, so that pushes it younger. Unfair to single out any one...Bullis, Landon, Mater Dei, etc all have the same families going through for the same reasons. Paint it all with a mop.

The funniest thing is a lot of these kids wind up needing an additional PG year at a boarding school in order to cajole a college coach to take them. Business is very good for expensive prep schools these days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids repeating a grade before going to an IAC school for 9th grade is close to a given these days. The IAC has a league rule stating a kid can only play 4 years, so that pushes it younger. Unfair to single out any one...Bullis, Landon, Mater Dei, etc all have the same families going through for the same reasons. Paint it all with a mop.

The funniest thing is a lot of these kids wind up needing an additional PG year at a boarding school in order to cajole a college coach to take them. Business is very good for expensive prep schools these days.

Can we say that at least these kids are getting lots of high quality education?

I guess you could say these kids are getting a lot of private education between ages 12-20. Unfortunately it costs about what college does or more in some instances. If money no object, no big deal I suppose. Fair point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you could say these kids are getting a lot of private education between ages 12-20. Unfortunately it costs about what college does or more in some instances. If money no object, no big deal I suppose. Fair point.

Also why is anyone shocked that money buys privilege and more 2nd,3rd,4th and even 5th tries at things. And news flash Lacrosse players parents have more money then most sports I would guess to say. So before you start any game you must know the rules. The ones written down and most importantly the rules not written down.

That's a true point which is pretty sad. Maybe privilege access and many chances are the reasons why affluent people push their kids into lacrosse or why the kids stay. If a kid isn't an obvious recruit in most other sports it is not a possible outcome, but in lacrosse a kid doesn't need to be a top player in his class or league if it gets pushed along. Maybe this is also why with rare exception DMV kids fail so miserably when they do get to a D1 college to play lacrosse. Most of the local prodigies in recent years have totally washed out. Some exceptions like the Fields kid at Hopkins, but count up their bench of DMV kids and it is pretty stark.

I'm not shocked that kids who can't play D1 level lacrosse go anyways. That has always been the case. The only differences in the DMV now versus 10 years ago is there are a lot more kids playing, so more competition, and parents are having kids repeat grades once or twice to fight those tides.

Eventually one of two things happens: lacrosse alienates average kids from middle or lower income families away from the sport or the tides wash out the DMV privileged kids. What I do see is that club lacrosse is definitely at the edge of the second where parents who just can't pump thousands into clubs, showcases, etc. and see writing on the wall that if you don't there isn't hope. So unfortunately there is a real risk that lacrosse goes backwards to being a prep school oriented sport that is also a college sport...like crew or another preppie sport that disfavors broad participation. My oldest is now an upperclassman in high school and the attrition from his club team was mostly kids who were really good athletes who turned their focus to football or another sport because they saw a college possibility being greater there. That makes sense since the opportunities are more abundant in those other sports as well.

Does anyone have results for the Madlax Fallfest in the 2021 and 2022 bracket?

2019/2020AA Division: Next Level 2020AA (6) - 3D Pacific 2020AA (5)
2020A/B Division: 3D Mid-Atlantic (6) - Madlax-Georgia (4)
2021 Open Division: 3D Pacific (9) - Madlax-Capital (3)
2022 Open Division: Cannons Select (8) - 3D Mid-Atlantic (4)
U11A (2022/23) Division: Bethesda 2022 Orange (6) - Next Level 2023 (2)
U11B (2023/24) Division: Madlax-Capital 2024 (7) - Madlax-MD/VA 2023 (3)
U9A (2024/25) Division: Bethesda 2025 Blue (9) - Madlax-Capital 2024/25 (6)

Next Level 2020 is legit....looked really good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019/2020AA Division: Next Level 2020AA (6) - 3D Pacific 2020AA (5)
2020A/B Division: 3D Mid-Atlantic (6) - Madlax-Georgia (4)
2021 Open Division: 3D Pacific (9) - Madlax-Capital (3)
2022 Open Division: Cannons Select (8) - 3D Mid-Atlantic (4)
U11A (2022/23) Division: Bethesda 2022 Orange (6) - Next Level 2023 (2)
U11B (2023/24) Division: Madlax-Capital 2024 (7) - Madlax-MD/VA 2023 (3)
U9A (2024/25) Division: Bethesda 2025 Blue (9) - Madlax-Capital 2024/25 (6)

Heard some allegations of MadLax moving kids between teams at the younger age groups to capture trophies. Can anyone verify?

They do this at all levels...this is nothing new

I find it odd that a 22 Bethesda Team won a U11 Bracket considering they would be U13 if it were age based not grade. Also thought it was funny when the Madlax-Georgia Team 22/23 had a 6 footer playing in the U11 Bracket and then 2020 brackets. They will continue to struggle these tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do this at all levels...this is nothing new

Yes, Madlax had several kids playing down. That's what they do. Not everyone does that, but they do.

They've been doing this for years. In soccer you have to carry your ID with your US Soccer number and d.o.b.

Jesus, if we already have grade based to avoid same age groups, it seems like way overboard to ignore that as well and just have kids play down grades now. Soccer put this in place to curb the rampant cheating and it works. How hard could this be?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They've been doing this for years. In soccer you have to carry your ID with your US Soccer number and d.o.b.

Jesus, if we already have grade based to avoid same age groups, it seems like way overboard to ignore that as well and just have kids play down grades now. Soccer put this in place to curb the rampant cheating and it works. How hard could this be?

No one played down. Kids played for two teams because of injuries or numbers. But they never played down. Kids went from a capital team to a state team but never down a grade year. Also some 2020 kids played up for the 2019. If you have more evidence of kids playing down please inform us. You can give Proof without kids names.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They've been doing this for years. In soccer you have to carry your ID with your US Soccer number and d.o.b.

Jesus, if we already have grade based to avoid same age groups, it seems like way overboard to ignore that as well and just have kids play down grades now. Soccer put this in place to curb the rampant cheating and it works. How hard could this be?

No one played down. Kids played for two teams because of injuries or numbers. But they never played down. Kids went from a capital team to a state team but never down a grade year. Also some 2020 kids played up for the 2019. If you have more evidence of kids playing down please inform us. You can give Proof without kids names.

There were kids on the 2020 teams who played on their 2021 teams last weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They've been doing this for years. In soccer you have to carry your ID with your US Soccer number and d.o.b.

Jesus, if we already have grade based to avoid same age groups, it seems like way overboard to ignore that as well and just have kids play down grades now. Soccer put this in place to curb the rampant cheating and it works. How hard could this be?

No one played down. Kids played for two teams because of injuries or numbers. But they never played down. Kids went from a capital team to a state team but never down a grade year. Also some 2020 kids played up for the 2019. If you have more evidence of kids playing down please inform us. You can give Proof without kids names.

There were kids on the 2020 teams who played on their 2021 teams last weekend.

Well what did the roster size look like for this 2021 team that was cheating so much that you had to write about it. Did the so called 2020 player score all the goals? If they had low numbers would you rather them just forfeit and then your team would of had one less game? And heck with holdbacks and reclass kids why does anyone care about age and grade with any kid anymore. We all agree just let them play who cares if they are older by a year or two correct?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They've been doing this for years. In soccer you have to carry your ID with your US Soccer number and d.o.b.

Jesus, if we already have grade based to avoid same age groups, it seems like way overboard to ignore that as well and just have kids play down grades now. Soccer put this in place to curb the rampant cheating and it works. How hard could this be?

No one played down. Kids played for two teams because of injuries or numbers. But they never played down. Kids went from a capital team to a state team but never down a grade year. Also some 2020 kids played up for the 2019. If you have more evidence of kids playing down please inform us. You can give Proof without kids names.

There were kids on the 2020 teams who played on their 2021 teams last weekend.

Well what did the roster size look like for this 2021 team that was cheating so much that you had to write about it. Did the so called 2020 player score all the goals? If they had low numbers would you rather them just forfeit and then your team would of had one less game? And heck with holdbacks and reclass kids why does anyone care about age and grade with any kid anymore. We all agree just let them play who cares if they are older by a year or two correct?

So you are saying that if the rules state these are grade based teams, it's fine for a kid in an older grade to play down on a team that is filled with younger grade kids and plays against kids in a lower grade.

Got it. I guess you condone that.

I don't believe that any club that rosters 25 or 30 kids on a team ever struggles to put 10 on the field with at least a few subs. Even with kids sick, hurt, other conflicts of the extreme is you have only 1 goalie and 14 field players, you should have 15 very happy kids and families going home. Kids can play 3 games, and if they are doing expensive club lacrosse to develop and get noticed eventually they want to play as much as they can.

If any club is hauling kids down or over from other teams in the same club, I believe the reason for that is something else. And something else is usually importing over or down ringers to make sure the team has the best props to win and make the club look good (or at least better than their crosse county rivals). I don't need to suggest that Madlax, VLC, FCA, Crabs and all others have reasons to do this: all you need to do is follow the Monday morning social media bragging about which club team won or did better than the rival club teams.

We love guest playing. My son was asked to play the next two weekends for a two club teams he is not a member of. Playing up one weekend and correct age the second. Thank you coaches for guest players at no cost.

It appears that 3d posted some pretty good results at the MadLax event. Was this due to them pulling from very large geographic regions (Pacific, Mid-Atlantic, etc.) or is there something they are doing differently with the club? Interested to hear what others think.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It appears that 3d posted some pretty good results at the MadLax event. Was this due to them pulling from very large geographic regions (Pacific, Mid-Atlantic, etc.) or is there something they are doing differently with the club? Interested to hear what others think.

Didn't get to see the Pacific team, so can't comment on their skill level or team play. 3D Mid Atlantic played in A division, not AA. Not sure how well they would have done playing in AA ... kudos to them for winning their bracket championship though.

It was a 2022 A team which madlax moved from the 2022 AA division. It was a decision from above. The tournament could not find a suitable group for them on Sunday to play with.

2021 3D Pacific team was solid -- team was made up of players from several different states out west, but they played well together.

I have a son who has guest played for 3D many times over the last 2 years and I have to say it has always been a great weekend of reps and competition when he does. We have liked the flexibility and they have been very reasonable about costs and schedule around other events he does. For our family this is ideal because we'd prefer to just drop club completely since his school does off season events, but 3D allows as much or as little supplement our son wants and it works. They also do a great indoor box league for high school teams in the winter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't believe that any club that rosters 25 or 30 kids on a team ever struggles to put 10 on the field with at least a few subs. Even with kids sick, hurt, other conflicts of the extreme is you have only 1 goalie and 14 field players, you should have 15 very happy kids and families going home. Kids can play 3 games, and if they are doing expensive club lacrosse to develop and get noticed eventually they want to play as much as they can.

If any club is hauling kids down or over from other teams in the same club, I believe the reason for that is something else. And something else is usually importing over or down ringers to make sure the team has the best props to win and make the club look good (or at least better than their crosse county rivals). I don't need to suggest that Madlax, VLC, FCA, Crabs and all others have reasons to do this: all you need to do is follow the Monday morning social media bragging about which club team won or did better than the rival club teams.

I think you are putting way to much thought in to this. I think they just wanted have even brackets and good games. The 2020AA bracket had two 2019A teams in it. And all the top 2020AA teams that played the 2019A teams played well or beat the 2019A teams. But after each game none of the parents where upset on either side. Its fall and Madlax is not trying to win a championship they just wanted even games and good play.

I think the 3D Midatlantic 2021 is a legitimate "A" team. Good size, speed, skills and coaching. Can say the same about the Madlax-Capital 2021 team. Both seem improved from the past. They'd be well served to scrimmage frequently, imo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the 3D Midatlantic 2021 is a legitimate "A" team. Good size, speed, skills and coaching. Can say the same about the Madlax-Capital 2021 team. Both seem improved from the past. They'd be well served to scrimmage frequently, imo.

What this says to me is the better kids from one of these teams should move over to the other team and make a good to great AA team. This kills me AA kids should play AA they should not hurt themselves and play on a A team just because mommy and daddy do not like to drive 15 or 20 more miles for practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the 3D Midatlantic 2021 is a legitimate "A" team. Good size, speed, skills and coaching. Can say the same about the Madlax-Capital 2021 team. Both seem improved from the past. They'd be well served to scrimmage frequently, imo.

What this says to me is the better kids from one of these teams should move over to the other team and make a good to great AA team. This kills me AA kids should play AA they should not hurt themselves and play on a A team just because mommy and daddy do not like to drive 15 or 20 more miles for practice.

How about you worry about your own kid? God, get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I think the 3D Midatlantic 2021 is a legitimate "A" team. Good size, speed, skills and coaching. Can say the same about the Madlax-Capital 2021 team. Both seem improved from the past. They'd be well served to scrimmage frequently, imo.

What this says to me is the better kids from one of these teams should move over to the other team and make a good to great AA team. This kills me AA kids should play AA they should not hurt themselves and play on a A team just because mommy and daddy do not like to drive 15 or 20 more miles for practice.

How about you worry about your own kid? God, get a life.

I am thinking about my own kid. If you have a AA kid and you are sandbagging him and playing with a A team he is not on my sons AA team helping them win. Or my son thinks he is better then he really is because all these AA players are playing down so their parents can brag and hang with there friends and not doing whats best for their son. So calling all sandbagging parents please play your son at the high level he can play. This is better for everyone trust me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the 3D Midatlantic 2021 is a legitimate "A" team. Good size, speed, skills and coaching. Can say the same about the Madlax-Capital 2021 team. Both seem improved from the past. They'd be well served to scrimmage frequently, imo.

What this says to me is the better kids from one of these teams should move over to the other team and make a good to great AA team. This kills me AA kids should play AA they should not hurt themselves and play on a A team just because mommy and daddy do not like to drive 15 or 20 more miles for practice.

15-20 extra miles is DMV traffic? If my kid has a good option close there's no discussion. It's youth sports right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a son who has guest played for 3D many times over the last 2 years and I have to say it has always been a great weekend of reps and competition when he does. We have liked the flexibility and they have been very reasonable about costs and schedule around other events he does. For our family this is ideal because we'd prefer to just drop club completely since his school does off season events, but 3D allows as much or as little supplement our son wants and it works. They also do a great indoor box league for high school teams in the winter.

Guest playing for free is great for everyone. I guess it makes up for the $3500 that 3d charges annually, more than almost any other club by 50%.

How are their youth teams doing? The HS teams have been a disaster since Day 1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the 3D Midatlantic 2021 is a legitimate "A" team. Good size, speed, skills and coaching. Can say the same about the Madlax-Capital 2021 team. Both seem improved from the past. They'd be well served to scrimmage frequently, imo.

What this says to me is the better kids from one of these teams should move over to the other team and make a good to great AA team. This kills me AA kids should play AA they should not hurt themselves and play on a A team just because mommy and daddy do not like to drive 15 or 20 more miles for practice.

15-20 extra miles is DMV traffic? If my kid has a good option close there's no discussion. It's youth sports right?

Its fine you can tell me its the drive or traffic but the truth is you love your little super stat being the best on his A team and everyone telling you how good he is. God forbid you tryout and play for a AA team where he has to work and get better to play at a AA level. But you feel good and you have your friends to hang with. I get it. its hard to not feel comfortable and be scared your star might not be the best on the field. A level is good lacrosse I am talking about the clear AA player playing down on A level clubs.

When we guest play we do pay the tournament fee per player, usually about a hundred bucks. Not sure about how the youth teams are performing. The high school teams we have guest played on have been pretty good. The competition is also pretty good. On a given weekend the team could have 4-5 excellent players or just 1-2. Depends a lot on what roster is live for that weekend. More about reps and flexibility. The coaching is excellent. I'd be surprised if their youth teams do not develop well together as they age up.

Just my opinion, but how great a high school club team is for us is secondary after the flexibility.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When we guest play we do pay the tournament fee per player, usually about a hundred bucks. Not sure about how the youth teams are performing. The high school teams we have guest played on have been pretty good. The competition is also pretty good. On a given weekend the team could have 4-5 excellent players or just 1-2. Depends a lot on what roster is live for that weekend. More about reps and flexibility. The coaching is excellent. I'd be surprised if their youth teams do not develop well together as they age up.

Just my opinion, but how great a high school club team is for us is secondary after the flexibility.

The reason why 3d has offered you (and others) so many guest spots is because they are always scrambling to field a HS team.

Their 2016 team was terrible, and their 2017, 2018 and 2019 teams are worse. They have some good players, but half the roster is filled with guys who would never make a top tier team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the 3D Midatlantic 2021 is a legitimate "A" team. Good size, speed, skills and coaching. Can say the same about the Madlax-Capital 2021 team. Both seem improved from the past. They'd be well served to scrimmage frequently, imo.

What this says to me is the better kids from one of these teams should move over to the other team and make a good to great AA team. This kills me AA kids should play AA they should not hurt themselves and play on a A team just because mommy and daddy do not like to drive 15 or 20 more miles for practice.

15-20 extra miles is DMV traffic? If my kid has a good option close there's no discussion. It's youth sports right?

Its fine you can tell me its the drive or traffic but the truth is you love your little super stat being the best on his A team and everyone telling you how good he is. God forbid you tryout and play for a AA team where he has to work and get better to play at a AA level. But you feel good and you have your friends to hang with. I get it. its hard to not feel comfortable and be scared your star might not be the best on the field. A level is good lacrosse I am talking about the clear AA player playing down on A level clubs.

Actually my kid is middle of the roster on good A team. We're in baltimore - so fortunate to have more choices. He's tried out for AA teams but just isn't good for the top teams. The opposite is true up here - that parents will drive all over, encourage their kid to switch teams and suck up to coaches in an effort to get their kid on a "AA" team so they have my boy is "AA" status. Is he learning the game, becoming a better athlete/teammate & having fun? That's all that matters

Looking at the results from the MadLax tourney last Sunday it looks like the 2021 3d Pacific team beat the MadLax 2021 Capital team pretty handily to win that bracket. In addition, the 2021 MidAtlantic 3d team lost by one to the MadLax 2021 Capital team in the same bracket. In addition, the 3d MidAtlantic 2022 team beat the 2022 MadLax Capital team. I would agree with the poster that suggested if some of the local teams were combined there would be a very formidable AAA team formed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the results from the MadLax tourney last Sunday it looks like the 2021 3d Pacific team beat the MadLax 2021 Capital team pretty handily to win that bracket. In addition, the 2021 MidAtlantic 3d team lost by one to the MadLax 2021 Capital team in the same bracket. In addition, the 3d MidAtlantic 2022 team beat the 2022 MadLax Capital team. I would agree with the poster that suggested if some of the local teams were combined there would be a very formidable AAA team formed.

AAA team? what tournament or league has AAA division?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the results from the MadLax tourney last Sunday it looks like the 2021 3d Pacific team beat the MadLax 2021 Capital team pretty handily to win that bracket. In addition, the 2021 MidAtlantic 3d team lost by one to the MadLax 2021 Capital team in the same bracket. In addition, the 3d MidAtlantic 2022 team beat the 2022 MadLax Capital team. I would agree with the poster that suggested if some of the local teams were combined there would be a very formidable AAA team formed.

AAA team? what tournament or league has AAA division?

It's Madlax-speak. Nobody else uses the AAA term but them. Just ignore it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the results from the MadLax tourney last Sunday it looks like the 2021 3d Pacific team beat the MadLax 2021 Capital team pretty handily to win that bracket. In addition, the 2021 MidAtlantic 3d team lost by one to the MadLax 2021 Capital team in the same bracket. In addition, the 3d MidAtlantic 2022 team beat the 2022 MadLax Capital team. I would agree with the poster that suggested if some of the local teams were combined there would be a very formidable AAA team formed.

AAA team? what tournament or league has AAA division?

It's Madlax-speak. Nobody else uses the AAA term but them. Just ignore it.

Ok we get it you hate Madlax and their marketing with the AAA team. They did this to show that their second teams would be playing in AA brackets. Its whatever. But the original guy got my point. NOVA needs to step up and combined some teams so those top kids from here can play with and beat the MD,NJ,NY, and Mass. kids. So back to my point the parents of the best kids need to be way more proactive and pick top club VLC or Madlax both have the options and connections. Pick one and leave these other A level clubs for the A level kids.

You parents are being weird. It would be bizarre if NoVa couldn't field two solid hotbed "A" teams at that age. That's a compliment. Y'all talk like A clubs are B clubs. No. I'd say AA teams are top 10-15 in country. I'd say a AA player is one with superlative skills or athleticism who has great skills and can beat an "A" defender almost every time or a defender who never gets beat and can wreak havoc on even a solid "A" attack or a player who runs by everyone and dominates between the lines. If your son plays offense and within 10 minutes you don't hear the other side's coach yelling for the defender to white him out or moving his best longstick to cover him, I don't know that I'd worry about missing out on a AA team quite yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When we guest play we do pay the tournament fee per player, usually about a hundred bucks. Not sure about how the youth teams are performing. The high school teams we have guest played on have been pretty good. The competition is also pretty good. On a given weekend the team could have 4-5 excellent players or just 1-2. Depends a lot on what roster is live for that weekend. More about reps and flexibility. The coaching is excellent. I'd be surprised if their youth teams do not develop well together as they age up.

Just my opinion, but how great a high school club team is for us is secondary after the flexibility.

The reason why 3d has offered you (and others) so many guest spots is because they are always scrambling to field a HS team.

Their 2016 team was terrible, and their 2017, 2018 and 2019 teams are worse. They have some good players, but half the roster is filled with guys who would never make a top tier team.

Look, if you have a high school son hanging on to the status of being on a good club team, sorry to burst bubbles but that means nothing to kids who are playing to get reps and get better. Our son plays 1 event last summer with Sweetlax as well. 3D has some top guys coaching and very good players who will also be very good college players want to get reps and want critical input from top coaches. We get both at 3D for a good price when our son wants to or can fit in tournaments with them.

Frankly he used to be on one of the three clubs debated here as the #1 for his class. Being on a good club team is fine until it isn't a fit anymore. 3D has a model to accommodate that. We're ok going home without a tshirt or a ribbon saying you won the Aloha or the Autumn tournament. Different needs is all. I

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You parents are being weird. It would be bizarre if NoVa couldn't field two solid hotbed "A" teams at that age. That's a compliment. Y'all talk like A clubs are B clubs. No. I'd say AA teams are top 10-15 in country. I'd say a AA player is one with superlative skills or athleticism who has great skills and can beat an "A" defender almost every time or a defender who never gets beat and can wreak havoc on even a solid "A" attack or a player who runs by everyone and dominates between the lines. If your son plays offense and within 10 minutes you don't hear the other side's coach yelling for the defender to white him out or moving his best longstick to cover him, I don't know that I'd worry about missing out on a AA team quite yet.

Thank you! You made my point for me. I see 1 or 2 kids just like you described playing for all the clubs not called VLC or Madlax. And this is a shame. Those 1 or 2 kids are missing out playing at the highest level and the kids on the bottom of the VLC and Madlax rosters think they are better players then they are. I am just pushing for a real gauge of the best to worst NOVA clubs and begging people to put their kids where their skills deserve to be. I am also asking for the public high school coaches to push the best players to the top clubs not the clubs run by their friends. We all want the NOVA lacrosse seen to be better and this is the formula to make it happen. If AA kids play AA and A kids play A and B kids play B they all get pushed and get better. My dream is one day a club owner of a low A or B club goes to the parent of a stud player and say you should go play for VLC or Madax he is to good for us. I would respect that man above all others.

3d and the guys running it are the biggest scams in the country. They are raping parents all over the nation with overinflated fees, and the 3d Blue Chip thing is beyond disgusting.

3d raised $7 million in venture capital 2 years ago. Their model is keeping those VCs happy, not the parents.

Thanks for sharing stuck in high school Rob Lowe.

I realize this is a club lacrosse board, but two things. #1 agree on the Jamie Munro corporate sales mentality...but locally the guys here run a good program and are flexible with people...which is appreciated and is not the case with most other clubs. #2 I personally root for the demise of club lacrosse past 8th grade. I disagree on doing a couple super teams. So many kids play and the summers should be all comers tournaments where 200 kids that sign up are allotted onto teams and just play round robin for 2 days.

Great players are just that, and they are not that because of their club teams. And the strongest players should be playing a lot of game situational volume when they are not training, and being able to play on reshuffled rosters. A lot of early commits in this area haven't gotten any better with their clubs for precisely this reason. When a player among familiar players he can glide and hide. The best middie on Madlax is the best middie on the field of he switched pinnies and was the best middie on the field while playing on the other team. Elite basketball is like this. The best players go to events, get shuffled around on new combos of teams and then play. What rises to the top then really is cream.

From 3d Pacific 2020 Madlax Fall Fest Recap . . .

�We stood up to the challenge and earned victories over ML-Maryland-2019 (8-4) & ML-Capital-2020 (9-6) again, and witnessed some clear frustration from the ML-Capital 2020 coaching staff, as they chose NOT to shake our hands after the game (at least their players did!)�

Anyone at the game and aware of Madlax coaches snub? What gives? Not much leading by example.

Boorish and uncalled for in youth sports, but if true I am not surprised.

My son's HS team played in the Madlax tournament on Sunday and I talked to a guy from outside the area whose son played in the Showcase on Saturday and on a Showcase team in the Sunday team tournament.

He said Madlax is a complete scam. Said there were no coaches at the games except the ones paid to give a short speech. Competition consisted of a few really good players and mostly average to bad ones. Again, no coaches were watching their games.

On Sunday, he was one one of the 4 free agent teams made of up kids who were at the Saturday event. Those teams went 0-12 against DMV HS teams. The website says those Madlax free agent teams were outscored 153-15.

He said he paid $400 plus airfare, hotel and food. He was not happy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son's HS team played in the Madlax tournament on Sunday and I talked to a guy from outside the area whose son played in the Showcase on Saturday and on a Showcase team in the Sunday team tournament.

He said Madlax is a complete scam. Said there were no coaches at the games except the ones paid to give a short speech. Competition consisted of a few really good players and mostly average to bad ones. Again, no coaches were watching their games.

On Sunday, he was one one of the 4 free agent teams made of up kids who were at the Saturday event. Those teams went 0-12 against DMV HS teams. The website says those Madlax free agent teams were outscored 153-15.

He said he paid $400 plus airfare, hotel and food. He was not happy.

w0w.. He said a lot, huh?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son's HS team played in the Madlax tournament on Sunday and I talked to a guy from outside the area whose son played in the Showcase on Saturday and on a Showcase team in the Sunday team tournament.

He said Madlax is a complete scam. Said there were no coaches at the games except the ones paid to give a short speech. Competition consisted of a few really good players and mostly average to bad ones. Again, no coaches were watching their games.

On Sunday, he was one one of the 4 free agent teams made of up kids who were at the Saturday event. Those teams went 0-12 against DMV HS teams. The website says those Madlax free agent teams were outscored 153-15.

He said he paid $400 plus airfare, hotel and food. He was not happy.

Well once again please give a better option when you talk crap about something. If you could not get in the Philly showcase this weekend where else would you be at. There was coaches watching I saw them all. They said 35 or so on Sat this is true i counted close to that. As for sunday they did not want to have 4 showcase teams but the Hun school dropped out last week which made 2 slots open. So they wanted the top 44 they had to take 88 from Sat. to fill the slots for Sunday. So blame Hun school for dropping out of a tournament 4 days or so before it happens.

We were at Leigh two weeks ago. The tournament announcer came on over the loud speaker and said over 40 college coaches were there but according to NCAA rules they are not allowed to talk to any kids or parents. LOL. I started laughing as the tournament director can get a few of his buddies together with a few college sweatshirts and a clip board and look legit. Pay each friend $200 to $300 cash and a case a beer to stand at the field and look important for a few hours. Done deal. Tournament a success. I would bet dollars to donuts this is going on all the time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son's HS team played in the Madlax tournament on Sunday and I talked to a guy from outside the area whose son played in the Showcase on Saturday and on a Showcase team in the Sunday team tournament.

He said Madlax is a complete scam. Said there were no coaches at the games except the ones paid to give a short speech. Competition consisted of a few really good players and mostly average to bad ones. Again, no coaches were watching their games.

On Sunday, he was one one of the 4 free agent teams made of up kids who were at the Saturday event. Those teams went 0-12 against DMV HS teams. The website says those Madlax free agent teams were outscored 153-15.

He said he paid $400 plus airfare, hotel and food. He was not happy.

Well once again please give a better option when you talk crap about something. If you could not get in the Philly showcase this weekend where else would you be at. There was coaches watching I saw them all. They said 35 or so on Sat this is true i counted close to that. As for sunday they did not want to have 4 showcase teams but the Hun school dropped out last week which made 2 slots open. So they wanted the top 44 they had to take 88 from Sat. to fill the slots for Sunday. So blame Hun school for dropping out of a tournament 4 days or so before it happens.

Who is talking crap? Those things happened and those kids got a pretty awful experience. My son's team played one of them and it was the worst collection of kids I've seen in a long time.

Do you get paid every time you run here to defend this club? How can you defend four teams getting killed like that? If they were going to go from 2 to 4, they should at least refund the Sunday fees. And if one HS dropped out, doesn't that mean there were going to be 3 teams originally?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We were at Leigh two weeks ago. The tournament announcer came on over the loud speaker and said over 40 college coaches were there but according to NCAA rules they are not allowed to talk to any kids or parents. LOL. I started laughing as the tournament director can get a few of his buddies together with a few college sweatshirts and a clip board and look legit. Pay each friend $200 to $300 cash and a case a beer to stand at the field and look important for a few hours. Done deal. Tournament a success. I would bet dollars to donuts this is going on all the time.

Well during the coaches speech at the Madlax showcase they talked about how you have to reach out to them with a video and say you want to play there. I think at this thing they really only looked at the kids who reached out to them and they saw the highlight tape and just wanted to compare in real life. I am sure they where not really looking at every kid unless they really stuck out. And they are not aloud to talk to you in this setting. The NCAA is crazy with their rules

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son's HS team played in the Madlax tournament on Sunday and I talked to a guy from outside the area whose son played in the Showcase on Saturday and on a Showcase team in the Sunday team tournament.

He said Madlax is a complete scam. Said there were no coaches at the games except the ones paid to give a short speech. Competition consisted of a few really good players and mostly average to bad ones. Again, no coaches were watching their games.

On Sunday, he was one one of the 4 free agent teams made of up kids who were at the Saturday event. Those teams went 0-12 against DMV HS teams. The website says those Madlax free agent teams were outscored 153-15.

He said he paid $400 plus airfare, hotel and food. He was not happy.

Well once again please give a better option when you talk crap about something. If you could not get in the Philly showcase this weekend where else would you be at. There was coaches watching I saw them all. They said 35 or so on Sat this is true i counted close to that. As for sunday they did not want to have 4 showcase teams but the Hun school dropped out last week which made 2 slots open. So they wanted the top 44 they had to take 88 from Sat. to fill the slots for Sunday. So blame Hun school for dropping out of a tournament 4 days or so before it happens.

Who is talking crap? Those things happened and those kids got a pretty awful experience. My son's team played one of them and it was the worst collection of kids I've seen in a long time.

Do you get paid every time you run here to defend this club? How can you defend four teams getting killed like that? If they were going to go from 2 to 4, they should at least refund the Sunday fees. And if one HS dropped out, doesn't that mean there were going to be 3 teams originally?

Hun was bring two teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son's HS team played in the Madlax tournament on Sunday and I talked to a guy from outside the area whose son played in the Showcase on Saturday and on a Showcase team in the Sunday team tournament.

He said Madlax is a complete scam. Said there were no coaches at the games except the ones paid to give a short speech. Competition consisted of a few really good players and mostly average to bad ones. Again, no coaches were watching their games.

On Sunday, he was one one of the 4 free agent teams made of up kids who were at the Saturday event. Those teams went 0-12 against DMV HS teams. The website says those Madlax free agent teams were outscored 153-15.

He said he paid $400 plus airfare, hotel and food. He was not happy.

Well once again please give a better option when you talk crap about something. If you could not get in the Philly showcase this weekend where else would you be at. There was coaches watching I saw them all. They said 35 or so on Sat this is true i counted close to that. As for sunday they did not want to have 4 showcase teams but the Hun school dropped out last week which made 2 slots open. So they wanted the top 44 they had to take 88 from Sat. to fill the slots for Sunday. So blame Hun school for dropping out of a tournament 4 days or so before it happens.

Who is talking crap? Those things happened and those kids got a pretty awful experience. My son's team played one of them and it was the worst collection of kids I've seen in a long time.

Do you get paid every time you run here to defend this club? How can you defend four teams getting killed like that? If they were going to go from 2 to 4, they should at least refund the Sunday fees. And if one HS dropped out, doesn't that mean there were going to be 3 teams originally?

I do not get paid but when you say things bad about something they do without giving a better option it gets on my nerves. And everyone who signed up for sunday new what they where getting into. The teams where there for everyone to see. Small town kids and public school kids got to see first hand what that level of ball looked like. Did they get killed yes they did but they will go back to work knowing what top level lacrosse looks like. I bet those kids will think about those 3 games when they think they practices hard enough or worked out hard enough to play in college. And once again this was a Fall showcase tournament not summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We were at Leigh two weeks ago. The tournament announcer came on over the loud speaker and said over 40 college coaches were there but according to NCAA rules they are not allowed to talk to any kids or parents. LOL. I started laughing as the tournament director can get a few of his buddies together with a few college sweatshirts and a clip board and look legit. Pay each friend $200 to $300 cash and a case a beer to stand at the field and look important for a few hours. Done deal. Tournament a success. I would bet dollars to donuts this is going on all the time.

3D pays coaches $400-$500 to attend. Balt Summer Kickoff does same, I am sure NXT does as well. It is a money making venture for all except parents...but where else can you get seen? Pick your poison and deal with it

A better idea is this: skip the drama and drivel over who is watching. Get 6 local prep and public teams and do a round robin with two three team brackets, then a seeded third game and go home. A lot I don't know but I do know this: the going rate for turn fields is about $110 an hour. Schools like Landon and Prep will also host at very accommodative rates when their teams are involved.

There. That's something better. Or get the clubs all together for a one day fall event under that same condition: Madlax, VLC, Blackwolf, FCA, then round our with 3D and maybe Annapolis Hawks. All those are nearby.

Oh but wait...I forgot, the clubs are all too petty and scared to play each other because then there is a risk they and the kids they are selling might lose and look bad.

Hun was bringing one team and cancelled a month ago. I know the coach and that is accurate.

Last fall the 2018 Crabs, FCA and Team 91 played each other at Hopkins in front of coaches with no expense at all. Two games, top flight competition, no cost! Now not every club gain garner the attention or have the clout of those three teams, but I don't know why that is not done more often without padding someone's pocket being the only motivation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A better idea is this: skip the drama and drivel over who is watching. Get 6 local prep and public teams and do a round robin with two three team brackets, then a seeded third game and go home. A lot I don't know but I do know this: the going rate for turn fields is about $110 an hour. Schools like Landon and Prep will also host at very accommodative rates when their teams are involved.

There. That's something better. Or get the clubs all together for a one day fall event under that same condition: Madlax, VLC, Blackwolf, FCA, then round our with 3D and maybe Annapolis Hawks. All those are nearby.

Oh but wait...I forgot, the clubs are all too petty and scared to play each other because then there is a risk they and the kids they are selling might lose and look bad.

Hun was bringing one team and cancelled a month ago. I know the coach and that is accurate.

I will agree lots of things are done for profit. But I also think the top teams do play each other in the fall and summer. I do think they try to keep out new comers when they first start no matter how good the teams are. But the top teams play a good bit in my eyes for sure. How many times has Crabs played Madlax in the last 12 months. I would say 3 times. How many times has Madlax played sweetlax or Hawks or WCS or FCA I would say they all played each other 1 to 3 times if not more. And these top teams need to go out and crush the smaller clubs once and a while to show the parents what they are missing. LOL

All day long kids want to play their local rival clubs. Seems idiotic to me that these club guys can just be civil with each other, rent a field and just do a round robin like that. Do it often, 2-3 times in fall, again in summer. Game reps are great for the kids and for team morale. We have so many strong club organizations locally, it is just a disgrace everything needs to be a hit and run showcase event. As prior poster noted, I doubt the NCAA coaches are too enthralled with the product they are seeing like the Landon event yesterday. Judging from the body language, these NCAA coaches just seem to be trudging through just because this crap is all that they are being fed. The only game in town argument is a bad one in support of this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We were at Leigh two weeks ago. The tournament announcer came on over the loud speaker and said over 40 college coaches were there but according to NCAA rules they are not allowed to talk to any kids or parents. LOL. I started laughing as the tournament director can get a few of his buddies together with a few college sweatshirts and a clip board and look legit. Pay each friend $200 to $300 cash and a case a beer to stand at the field and look important for a few hours. Done deal. Tournament a success. I would bet dollars to donuts this is going on all the time.

Is this a serious post? You really think the tournaments have people impersonating coaches from colleges? You obviously have no idea how this process works do you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son's HS team played in the Madlax tournament on Sunday and I talked to a guy from outside the area whose son played in the Showcase on Saturday and on a Showcase team in the Sunday team tournament.

He said Madlax is a complete scam. Said there were no coaches at the games except the ones paid to give a short speech. Competition consisted of a few really good players and mostly average to bad ones. Again, no coaches were watching their games.

On Sunday, he was one one of the 4 free agent teams made of up kids who were at the Saturday event. Those teams went 0-12 against DMV HS teams. The website says those Madlax free agent teams were outscored 153-15.

He said he paid $400 plus airfare, hotel and food. He was not happy.

Well once again please give a better option when you talk crap about something. If you could not get in the Philly showcase this weekend where else would you be at. There was coaches watching I saw them all. They said 35 or so on Sat this is true i counted close to that. As for sunday they did not want to have 4 showcase teams but the Hun school dropped out last week which made 2 slots open. So they wanted the top 44 they had to take 88 from Sat. to fill the slots for Sunday. So blame Hun school for dropping out of a tournament 4 days or so before it happens.

Who is talking crap? Those things happened and those kids got a pretty awful experience. My son's team played one of them and it was the worst collection of kids I've seen in a long time.

Do you get paid every time you run here to defend this club? How can you defend four teams getting killed like that? If they were going to go from 2 to 4, they should at least refund the Sunday fees. And if one HS dropped out, doesn't that mean there were going to be 3 teams originally?

I do not get paid but when you say things bad about something they do without giving a better option it gets on my nerves. And everyone who signed up for sunday new what they where getting into. The teams where there for everyone to see. Small town kids and public school kids got to see first hand what that level of ball looked like. Did they get killed yes they did but they will go back to work knowing what top level lacrosse looks like. I bet those kids will think about those 3 games when they think they practices hard enough or worked out hard enough to play in college. And once again this was a Fall showcase tournament not summer.

Why would it "get on your nerves" if someone pointed out that those kids had a crappy experience?

Not all of those kids came from non-hotbed areas. Some play against great competition with their club or HS teams. Some live in the DMV. I'm sure none of them were happy with their experience, which wasn't what was advertised.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son's HS team played in the Madlax tournament on Sunday and I talked to a guy from outside the area whose son played in the Showcase on Saturday and on a Showcase team in the Sunday team tournament.

He said Madlax is a complete scam. Said there were no coaches at the games except the ones paid to give a short speech. Competition consisted of a few really good players and mostly average to bad ones. Again, no coaches were watching their games.

On Sunday, he was one one of the 4 free agent teams made of up kids who were at the Saturday event. Those teams went 0-12 against DMV HS teams. The website says those Madlax free agent teams were outscored 153-15.

He said he paid $400 plus airfare, hotel and food. He was not happy.

Well once again please give a better option when you talk crap about something. If you could not get in the Philly showcase this weekend where else would you be at. There was coaches watching I saw them all. They said 35 or so on Sat this is true i counted close to that. As for sunday they did not want to have 4 showcase teams but the Hun school dropped out last week which made 2 slots open. So they wanted the top 44 they had to take 88 from Sat. to fill the slots for Sunday. So blame Hun school for dropping out of a tournament 4 days or so before it happens.

Who is talking crap? Those things happened and those kids got a pretty awful experience. My son's team played one of them and it was the worst collection of kids I've seen in a long time.

Do you get paid every time you run here to defend this club? How can you defend four teams getting killed like that? If they were going to go from 2 to 4, they should at least refund the Sunday fees. And if one HS dropped out, doesn't that mean there were going to be 3 teams originally?

I do not get paid but when you say things bad about something they do without giving a better option it gets on my nerves. And everyone who signed up for sunday new what they where getting into. The teams where there for everyone to see. Small town kids and public school kids got to see first hand what that level of ball looked like. Did they get killed yes they did but they will go back to work knowing what top level lacrosse looks like. I bet those kids will think about those 3 games when they think they practices hard enough or worked out hard enough to play in college. And once again this was a Fall showcase tournament not summer.

Why would it "get on your nerves" if someone pointed out that those kids had a crappy experience?

Not all of those kids came from non-hotbed areas. Some play against great competition with their club or HS teams. Some live in the DMV. I'm sure none of them were happy with their experience, which wasn't what was advertised.

I can agree if you where a soph to sr. and on a showcase team it must of been a really hard day for you. But when i looking over the coahces shoulder and read their notebooks I did not see them write down a single score of a game. They are looking at it play by play. Kid by kid. So if you are winning by 20 and walk after a ground ball you still look bad. And if you are losing by 20 and you bust your butt and run 100 miles a hour through a ground ball you will look great. The coaches are not dumb they can see talent if its there no matter the score or who your teamates are. You just have to be in front of them to be seen. Also looking at the clubs the kids in the showcase play for. These kids would be locked out of any play day with the top local clubs. So when you save 500$ playing for a low A or B club you will be stuck paying the 250$ to be seen at more showcases. Pay the club to be on the team or pay the showcase guy to play in his showcase. And you are going to say I saw Madlax kids all over the list. And you are correct but 90% for from the state teams not the Capital teams.

There were maybe two coaches there on Sunday. The couple that were there were not watching any games that were 15-0.

If there were just two of those Showcase teams, then maybe they could have been competitive in a game. But dividing them into four teams wasted everyone's time. They should have refunded at least some of the money, but that would be doing the right thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were maybe two coaches there on Sunday. The couple that were there were not watching any games that were 15-0.

If there were just two of those Showcase teams, then maybe they could have been competitive in a game. But dividing them into four teams wasted everyone's time. They should have refunded at least some of the money, but that would be doing the right thing.

I saw with my own eyes the head coach of UVA Don S watching a game with a showcase team. He was all wrapped up and by himself but I said hi to him to confirm it was him. Once again you should of played in philly but our sons are not good enough to get that invite. Sorry

That is pretty interesting, because on Sunday I sat with the Starsias at the UVA women's soccer game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is pretty interesting, because on Sunday I sat with the Starsias at the UVA women's soccer game.

Sunday sir I saw him sunday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were maybe two coaches there on Sunday. The couple that were there were not watching any games that were 15-0.

If there were just two of those Showcase teams, then maybe they could have been competitive in a game. But dividing them into four teams wasted everyone's time. They should have refunded at least some of the money, but that would be doing the right thing.

I saw with my own eyes the head coach of UVA Don S watching a game with a showcase team. He was all wrapped up and by himself but I said hi to him to confirm it was him. Once again you should of played in philly but our sons are not good enough to get that invite. Sorry

My son played with his HS team. Even if he was bad or desperate enough to pay and attend that weak Saturday event, there is no way I would let anyone play for one of those Showcase teams.

Is there anything Madlax related you won't apologize for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were maybe two coaches there on Sunday. The couple that were there were not watching any games that were 15-0.

If there were just two of those Showcase teams, then maybe they could have been competitive in a game. But dividing them into four teams wasted everyone's time. They should have refunded at least some of the money, but that would be doing the right thing.

I saw with my own eyes the head coach of UVA Don S watching a game with a showcase team. He was all wrapped up and by himself but I said hi to him to confirm it was him. Once again you should of played in philly but our sons are not good enough to get that invite. Sorry

My son played with his HS team. Even if he was bad or desperate enough to pay and attend that weak Saturday event, there is no way I would let anyone play for one of those Showcase teams.

Is there anything Madlax related you won't apologize for?

I do not apologize for them I try to give a counter point to most peoples clear hate for the club because there kid got cut. Also I try to ask for you people who can say this sucks and that sucks but none of you really give better options. Did anyone go to that Maverick showcase last weekend? Anyone want to say if that was good or bad or what. I know I saw people posting about it somewhere else talking about the MEE ball and no one is passing. Same as all showcases events. So if you want to talk crap about Madlax please do but also please give another better option the whatever you are saying is bad.

If an event is terrible or not what was advertised, are people not allowed to complain? Complaining that the Showcase Teams had a miserable experience is complaint about the event, not necessarily about the club. Regardless of what other options there may have been, that event was a disaster and people are allowed to vent.

Are you really that dense?

Please vent and complain but please say where and what these kids should of done. I agree the 4 teams plan failed.

Once again you show that you don't know how to read. If those kids got the experience advertised on the website, there are no complaints. The number of coaches on Saturday and Sunday was nowhere near what was advertised. And nstead of two Showcase teams, they were diluted into 4 terrible ones.

The right thing to do would be to give those families some type of refund.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once again you show that you don't know how to read. If those kids got the experience advertised on the website, there are no complaints. The number of coaches on Saturday and Sunday was nowhere near what was advertised. And nstead of two Showcase teams, they were diluted into 4 terrible ones.

The right thing to do would be to give those families some type of refund.

Well when it comes to what coaches where their. They posted after the event what coaches came with first and last names and school. So I am sure they are crazy but not stupid enough to lie about that. The coaches might of hung back or only watched one or two games or anything. But They did not set up a coaches only seating section like some other tournaments. Maybe they will do that next year so you can count and confirm them yourself. But to the second point I am sure if you caught them in a room alone they would say the 4 teams idea did not work out. So where should these kids been that sunday? So what are your thoughts about Sat?

My thoughts? Those people had an awful time on Sun and Sat wasn't that great. Give the kids on the 4 Showcase teams a a partial refund. The money that club would lose would be more than made up for in goodwill and publicity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My thoughts? Those people had an awful time on Sun and Sat wasn't that great. Give the kids on the 4 Showcase teams a a partial refund. The money that club would lose would be more than made up for in goodwill and publicity.

Ok got it but where should they have been answer that question sir. I give you Sunday was a bad idea should give people their money back. What about these 350$ invites I am getting to these colleges. Should these be any better. This one was at least close to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We were at Leigh two weeks ago. The tournament announcer came on over the loud speaker and said over 40 college coaches were there but according to NCAA rules they are not allowed to talk to any kids or parents. LOL. I started laughing as the tournament director can get a few of his buddies together with a few college sweatshirts and a clip board and look legit. Pay each friend $200 to $300 cash and a case a beer to stand at the field and look important for a few hours. Done deal. Tournament a success. I would bet dollars to donuts this is going on all the time.

Is this a serious post? You really think the tournaments have people impersonating coaches from colleges? You obviously have no idea how this process works do you?

You missed the point Frances. This could happen very easily and I am sure it does. Please give us a lesson on how things work in your world. Fairies and sugar plumbs. A lady flying in with her umbrella giving college scholarships to your super D1 7th grader. LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We were at Leigh two weeks ago. The tournament announcer came on over the loud speaker and said over 40 college coaches were there but according to NCAA rules they are not allowed to talk to any kids or parents. LOL. I started laughing as the tournament director can get a few of his buddies together with a few college sweatshirts and a clip board and look legit. Pay each friend $200 to $300 cash and a case a beer to stand at the field and look important for a few hours. Done deal. Tournament a success. I would bet dollars to donuts this is going on all the time.

Is this a serious post? You really think the tournaments have people impersonating coaches from colleges? You obviously have no idea how this process works do you?

You missed the point Frances. This could happen very easily and I am sure it does. Please give us a lesson on how things work in your world. Fairies and sugar plumbs. A lady flying in with her umbrella giving college scholarships to your super D1 7th grader. LOL.

Please for the love of God just give better options to whatever you are calling crap. That is all I ask of any of you. If Madlax suck say who is better. If the showcase sucks say so but say witch showcase you should attend. If a tournament sucks say so but then say which tournament you should attend that same weekend. I like to talk crap as much as the next guy but I also come here to hear all the options and what people think is a better option. And if your option is to just play Rec say so.

You missed the point again. Is this mic on?? My point has nothing to do with Madlax but more to do with showcases in general. The propensity to falsify the college coaches numbers if any exists. Go to all your showcases but I can tell you the likelihood of charlatans running these invitational is high. (just nature of humans and profit seeking) An example of this is the Mount Saint Mary's prospect day. Many kids go but the HC does not know any of them and often does not show up. The assistants drive this as a money maker for the school. The kids are strung along until they wake up. This happens all the colleges. I guess my point is make sure your kid wants to go to these showcases, make sure you can afford nothing coming out of it, make sure you kid knows he may be put on a [lacrosse] team and lose every game, and make sure you going for the experience and not the promise. Just a reality check. Keep the grades up as no money in lax and D1 does not give a full ride. D3 with merit is the best deal. Most hotbed high level kids can walk on. (at least my kid did)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You missed the point again. Is this mic on?? My point has nothing to do with Madlax but more to do with showcases in general. The propensity to falsify the college coaches numbers if any exists. Go to all your showcases but I can tell you the likelihood of charlatans running these invitational is high. (just nature of humans and profit seeking) An example of this is the Mount Saint Mary's prospect day. Many kids go but the HC does not know any of them and often does not show up. The assistants drive this as a money maker for the school. The kids are strung along until they wake up. This happens all the colleges. I guess my point is make sure your kid wants to go to these showcases, make sure you can afford nothing coming out of it, make sure you kid knows he may be put on a [lacrosse] team and lose every game, and make sure you going for the experience and not the promise. Just a reality check. Keep the grades up as no money in lax and D1 does not give a full ride. D3 with merit is the best deal. Most hotbed high level kids can walk on. (at least my kid did)

Well the good news is you just got my point. You gave your thoughts and another option. I now know you are not Pro showcase event. I understand your point for sure. But listening to the coaches talk at this last event it really comes down to you picking schools you want to play at and up to you hitting them up to let them know this. Then hoping one of the schools you want, want you. And these play days and showcases are where they can see you play to confirm if they want you or not. But I get for a fact that you can not just show up at these things and hope they find you. Unless you are the best kid at the showcase. I think it comes down to if you are in the top 10% of your class they will find you and do all the work for you. But for the other 90% of each class you have to bug the schools you want to go to until they say they want you or go away.

Agree. I guess now it is time for a Beer. Cheers. (sorry about the language, should have said Crappy team.)

Madlox rules! Really great on a Bagel with a little cream cheese.

Not that surprising. This is the club that charges its players a fee to contact college coaches on their behalf.f

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not that surprising. This is the club that charges its players a fee to contact college coaches on their behalf.f

Not true they offer the service to anyone who wants it from outside the club. They will all answer the phone and talk to any coach that calls and asks about any player. They will also call anyone you want them to if you call them up and tell them who. I have never heard of one person paying for the service you are talking about on the website. So you think the 3 D1 2019 or 5 2018 paid for them to call those schools. AH no the colleges called them and asked about those players and then they called the parents and the parents called the coaches. So you think your club coach from your B club cold calling JHU or Maryland for free are helping your son? I would say no. You have to do the leg work for your own son this is the same for all clubs. Unless your son is a top stud player then they are knocking down doors to talk to him. He makes more money when a kid gets to play college lacrosse and he gets to put it on the website. SO why would they not help any kid from his club to sign. He will not lie to a coach and say your kid is great if he is avg. Club coaches have to keep their creditably.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not that surprising. This is the club that charges its players a fee to contact college coaches on their behalf.f

Not true they offer the service to anyone who wants it from outside the club. They will all answer the phone and talk to any coach that calls and asks about any player. They will also call anyone you want them to if you call them up and tell them who. I have never heard of one person paying for the service you are talking about on the website. So you think the 3 D1 2019 or 5 2018 paid for them to call those schools. AH no the colleges called them and asked about those players and then they called the parents and the parents called the coaches. So you think your club coach from your B club cold calling JHU or Maryland for free are helping your son? I would say no. You have to do the leg work for your own son this is the same for all clubs. Unless your son is a top stud player then they are knocking down doors to talk to him. He makes more money when a kid gets to play college lacrosse and he gets to put it on the website. SO why would they not help any kid from his club to sign. He will not lie to a coach and say your kid is great if he is avg. Club coaches have to keep their creditably.

You must be a Madlax newbie. Ask around and people will tell you that they used to advertise a "Recruiting Consulting" service. Something crazy like $200 a month for Madlax to call on your behalf. They took it down because of all the grief they got, but they still do it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not that surprising. This is the club that charges its players a fee to contact college coaches on their behalf.f

Not true they offer the service to anyone who wants it from outside the club. They will all answer the phone and talk to any coach that calls and asks about any player. They will also call anyone you want them to if you call them up and tell them who. I have never heard of one person paying for the service you are talking about on the website. So you think the 3 D1 2019 or 5 2018 paid for them to call those schools. AH no the colleges called them and asked about those players and then they called the parents and the parents called the coaches. So you think your club coach from your B club cold calling JHU or Maryland for free are helping your son? I would say no. You have to do the leg work for your own son this is the same for all clubs. Unless your son is a top stud player then they are knocking down doors to talk to him. He makes more money when a kid gets to play college lacrosse and he gets to put it on the website. SO why would they not help any kid from his club to sign. He will not lie to a coach and say your kid is great if he is avg. Club coaches have to keep their creditably.

You must be a Madlax newbie. Ask around and people will tell you that they used to advertise a "Recruiting Consulting" service. Something crazy like $200 a month for Madlax to call on your behalf. They took it down because of all the grief they got, but they still do it.

So they took it down. But somehow they still charge this fee. So you tell me how many people still or did pay for this awful thing that 100s of other people on the internet charge for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So they took it down. But somehow they still charge this fee. So you tell me how many people still or did pay for this awful thing that 100s of other people on the internet charge for.

I have never heard of any club that charge its players to advocate on their behalf. Except this club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So they took it down. But somehow they still charge this fee. So you tell me how many people still or did pay for this awful thing that 100s of other people on the internet charge for.

I have never heard of any club that charge its players to advocate on their behalf. Except this club.

Good god for the last time they advocate for their players all the time. This services you are talking about was geared towards kids who did not play for Madlax but wanted them to look at there kid and call coaches for them. Or for the Madlax kid that wanted to have a locked in time frame to sit down and have him work for this one kid at a time. Once again I can promise you that Madlax advocates for their players. It would be 100% dumb if JHU called Madlax and asked about Player X do you think they would respond with Player X has not payed the extra 200$ fee so I will tell you Player X sucks. The director of any top club team has to be truthful about any players skill set. No good club owner will take money to lie and say a player is better then he is. This service you keep talking about for the 100th time was for extra info and help. There is 100s of company's online right now that do the same extra service. Just google Athletic Recruiting Consultation. You will get 100s of hits. Its not in Madlaxs best interest to not pump up and talk good about their top players. They know that the 5th grade dads looking for a team, read the commitment list page first when they are picking a team.

Not true. Our son played for Madlax and felt we weren't getting enough recruiting traction. We asked for help and were directed to the Recruiting Services which was an additional monthly fee. We said forget it and left for a different club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true. Our son played for Madlax and felt we weren't getting enough recruiting traction. We asked for help and were directed to the Recruiting Services which was an additional monthly fee. We said forget it and left for a different club.

What year was this. And has your son gotten recruiting success with this new club?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true. Our son played for Madlax and felt we weren't getting enough recruiting traction. We asked for help and were directed to the Recruiting Services which was an additional monthly fee. We said forget it and left for a different club.

I would love for parents with the older kids to outline what each club did to help get their kid recruited for free. I am under the impression that it really comes down to the parents to push the process. And the club coach will answer questions and give his opinion and thoughts about your sons skill level and play. But the club owner doing cold calls to D1 programs is this done and does this work? I can not see any owner not answering a phone call from any college coach at any level. You might prefer him to lie and say you son is better then he thinks he is. But that would not be smart for this club owner and his creditability.

How did Madlax 2022 do on Halloween against the teams from Texas and New [lacrosse]?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So they took it down. But somehow they still charge this fee. So you tell me how many people still or did pay for this awful thing that 100s of other people on the internet charge for.

I have never heard of any club that charge its players to advocate on their behalf. Except this club.

Hey Trig. Glad you are back. How was Texas? Did you find a job? Are you staying put this time?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So they took it down. But somehow they still charge this fee. So you tell me how many people still or did pay for this awful thing that 100s of other people on the internet charge for.

I have never heard of any club that charge its players to advocate on their behalf. Except this club.

Hey Trig. Glad you are back. How was Texas? Did you find a job? Are you staying put this time?

I'm not Trig and I doubt Trig has ever posted on a forum. You have this weird obsession with him and Texas. I think he's done a couple of clinics there, but that's it.

Not sure why you have to attack people personally instead of the subject. From what I hear, there is only one club owner in the DMV that attacks people. And kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So they took it down. But somehow they still charge this fee. So you tell me how many people still or did pay for this awful thing that 100s of other people on the internet charge for.

I have never heard of any club that charge its players to advocate on their behalf. Except this club.

Hey Trig. Glad you are back. How was Texas? Did you find a job? Are you staying put this time?

I'm not Trig and I doubt Trig has ever posted on a forum. You have this weird obsession with him and Texas. I think he's done a couple of clinics there, but that's it.

Not sure why you have to attack people personally instead of the subject. From what I hear, there is only one club owner in the DMV that attacks people. And kids.

Ok let get back to the subject. You are saying Madlax is the only club to offer a extra recruiting service to its players and anyone else you wants to pay them for it CORRECT. So I am asking you do you think the owner does not answer the phone when a college calls. And if this college asks a question about do you have any 20?? attackman that could play for me at the D? level. I am asking you what do you think he says. I am going to tell you for a fact he is going to answer the question with the kids name he thinks fits the question. Not the kid you paid for any extra service. Also do you think club coaches cold calling colleges works? Free or for a fee. Also back to your main point the colleges call the club owners not the other way around. And this owner will answer the call and answer their questions. fee or no fee. Why would he lie or hold a kid who plays for Madlax back. You are saying he is all about the money so every kid who signs to play college lacrosse makes him more money.

I agree that the owner would answer the question honestly when asked and probably does not let the fee influence his recommendation.

Two problems with the pay for advocacy option are 1) the false hope for people who have no business trying to play at the college level and 2) perception that those players have a leg up. Most of the self-advocacy information is available online and free now.

What is surprising right now is that given the success of the 2019 class, why aren't more 'elite players' staying with the club at the younger ages?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So they took it down. But somehow they still charge this fee. So you tell me how many people still or did pay for this awful thing that 100s of other people on the internet charge for.

I have never heard of any club that charge its players to advocate on their behalf. Except this club.

Hey Trig. Glad you are back. How was Texas? Did you find a job? Are you staying put this time?

I'm not Trig and I doubt Trig has ever posted on a forum. You have this weird obsession with him and Texas. I think he's done a couple of clinics there, but that's it.

Not sure why you have to attack people personally instead of the subject. From what I hear, there is only one club owner in the DMV that attacks people. And kids.

Ok let get back to the subject. You are saying Madlax is the only club to offer a extra recruiting service to its players and anyone else you wants to pay them for it CORRECT. So I am asking you do you think the owner does not answer the phone when a college calls. And if this college asks a question about do you have any 20?? attackman that could play for me at the D? level. I am asking you what do you think he says. I am going to tell you for a fact he is going to answer the question with the kids name he thinks fits the question. Not the kid you paid for any extra service. Also do you think club coaches cold calling colleges works? Free or for a fee. Also back to your main point the colleges call the club owners not the other way around. And this owner will answer the call and answer their questions. fee or no fee. Why would he lie or hold a kid who plays for Madlax back. You are saying he is all about the money so every kid who signs to play college lacrosse makes him more money.

But why does this guy charge extra to help his players? I've never heard of that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the owner would answer the question honestly when asked and probably does not let the fee influence his recommendation.

Two problems with the pay for advocacy option are 1) the false hope for people who have no business trying to play at the college level and 2) perception that those players have a leg up. Most of the self-advocacy information is available online and free now.

What is surprising right now is that given the success of the 2019 class, why aren't more 'elite players' staying with the club at the younger ages?

Because the people who disagree or hate Madlax are pushing hard and doing a good job of bashing/pointing out negatives about Madlax. Also the next question is where are the young talent going? VLC,3D, Cavs, or others. There is a push to play for the club that is close to you or the one working with your NVYLL club. Or the travel team that is working with your public or private high school team. And this is what does hurt Madlax because they do take the best players from each tryout. So parents are smart why pay Madlax prices when my kid is young if he is good enough Madlax has proven they will take your son when he hits 8th grade 8th grade when it starts to count. So I would say to the young sons parents, you can play for these other clubs when they are young but when they hit the older ages be smart and tryout for any or all of the big three teams. Madlax,VLC Blackwolf. These other clubs should be smart and not hold back there best 2 to 4 players and push them at 8th grade to move up to one of these three its whats best for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the owner would answer the question honestly when asked and probably does not let the fee influence his recommendation.

Two problems with the pay for advocacy option are 1) the false hope for people who have no business trying to play at the college level and 2) perception that those players have a leg up. Most of the self-advocacy information is available online and free now.

What is surprising right now is that given the success of the 2019 class, why aren't more 'elite players' staying with the club at the younger ages?

As for the pay for service I stated before just google Recruiting help and 100 places wanting to take your money will pop up. The rose colored glasses will always be there for parents. With or without any help. And the funny thing is have we proven that any of these services work or do not work. If they do work and your untalented kid beats out a talented kid I would say the money was well spent. LOL

Speaking of 2019's, anyone do the UVA prospect day recently and any observations?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of 2019's, anyone do the UVA prospect day recently and any observations?

So just for my own knowledge. How many of the kids at this prospect camp where invited personally and how many where invited by a mass email that someone took as a real invite. This is not sour grapes. But my son got a invite to this and he is not UVA top D1 talent. He is low D1, D2 and D3 talent if that. Us parents need to stick together on things like this to help weed out the real interest from the money grabs.

The prospect camps are a money grab unless, a coach specifically asks that you attend. Attending a prospect camp with 150 kids in attendence and five kids already committed does not bode well for most participants. Do the math!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the owner would answer the question honestly when asked and probably does not let the fee influence his recommendation.

Two problems with the pay for advocacy option are 1) the false hope for people who have no business trying to play at the college level and 2) perception that those players have a leg up. Most of the self-advocacy information is available online and free now.

What is surprising right now is that given the success of the 2019 class, why aren't more 'elite players' staying with the club at the younger ages?

Because the people who disagree or hate Madlax are pushing hard and doing a good job of bashing/pointing out negatives about Madlax.

Or maybe a lot of families are not opting Madlax at the younger ages because they don't see it as the best option for them? Madlax 2020, for example, is nowhere near the best 2020 team in this area. Or maybe they like other clubs better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the owner would answer the question honestly when asked and probably does not let the fee influence his recommendation.

Two problems with the pay for advocacy option are 1) the false hope for people who have no business trying to play at the college level and 2) perception that those players have a leg up. Most of the self-advocacy information is available online and free now.

What is surprising right now is that given the success of the 2019 class, why aren't more 'elite players' staying with the club at the younger ages?

Because the people who disagree or hate Madlax are pushing hard and doing a good job of bashing/pointing out negatives about Madlax.

Or maybe a lot of families are not opting Madlax at the younger ages because they don't see it as the best option for them? Madlax 2020, for example, is nowhere near the best 2020 team in this area. Or maybe they like other clubs better.

I agree but unless the other club is VLC or Blackwolf they are not playing for better or equal option. This is a fact. NOVA does not have the numbers to have more then 3 top travel teams. This does not mean there is not studs on the other clubs this just means those players or players parents like to see little Johny being the best player on the team and they love for the other parents to ask if Johny will be here this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The prospect camps are a money grab unless, a coach specifically asks that you attend. Attending a prospect camp with 150 kids in attendence and five kids already committed does not bode well for most participants. Do the math!

This was also my thought when I got the email. They like to say 80% of the kids who sign with a school attend there Prospect camp. Which is true but those kids that sign are ask to attend personally not from a cattle call email. I am sure it happens that a kid gets seen or noticed at one of these. But I think it will happen more at lower end D1 and D2 and D3 prospect camps. Because if you go to one of these schools prospect camp it means that school is one of the schools you have on your list and you are telling them you are serious about attending. But a UVA,JHU or Maryland prospect day is more of just to say you where there type thing.

I see from the Madlax Capital website that the 2022 Capital team only has 13 players listed, did a group leave for another club?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see from the Madlax Capital website that the 2022 Capital team only has 13 players listed, did a group leave for another club?

You are correct that is what the site says. But I checked the other grades rosters and they are also old and not up to date. It's the offseason the site will be correct after spring tryouts.

But all the other rosters have like 18-23 kids listed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But all the other rosters have like 18-23 kids listed.

Ok you got them Madlax is folding up shop and quitting the travel lacrosse game. Or the 20 something kid who runs the website never updated it.

Chill dude just wondering why only 13 kids. Not meant as a dig at what is admittedly the top program in the DMV. There are a number of other northern VA programs trying to get going, maybe one is getting traction at 2022. That is a good faith question, no?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Chill dude just wondering why only 13 kids. Not meant as a dig at what is admittedly the top program in the DMV. There are a number of other northern VA programs trying to get going, maybe one is getting traction at 2022. That is a good faith question, no?

Sorry I miss took your intentions. I agree there is a lot of options at the younger ages these days in the DMV. But I would wait tell spring to do the turnout then we can come up with a theory.

If anyone has read the Deadspin article on Madlax's owner they would choose a different club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If anyone has read the Deadspin article on Madlax's owner they would choose a different club.

isn't that the reason Madlax and Rock didn't merge?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If anyone has read the Deadspin article on Madlax's owner they would choose a different club.

I have seen it all. The deadspin article was brought up on Christmas. VLC is own by the Crabs and the Blackwolf owner yells at his players like they are in a bar fight with each other. Those are the top 3 teams in NOVA. Pick your poison sir pick it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Chill dude just wondering why only 13 kids. Not meant as a dig at what is admittedly the top program in the DMV. There are a number of other northern VA programs trying to get going, maybe one is getting traction at 2022. That is a good faith question, no?

Madlax is the biggest club in terms of numbers, but many would disagree with the notion that it is the best.

There is a pattern from what I can see. The 2020 and 2021 Madlax teams did not fare well over the past year. If 2022 is having similar problems, it probably indicates that the club is losing its grip on the youth market.

Madllax 2022 is good

That's not what 3d 2022 says.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madllax 2022 is good

Very good - 3rd best in a crazy tough NPYLL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's not what 3d 2022 says.

3D 2022 beat Madlax 2022 (not just Madlax MD, Madlax VA, or Madlax National)?

3d 2022 owned madlax capital!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3d 2022 owned madlax capital!

What league or tournament?

Did 3D get a bunch of kids from somewhere?

Did Madlax lose a lot of kids to other clubs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's not what 3d 2022 says.

Well the 3D team better in joy winning now because when all the top players leave to go play for Madlax,VLC or Blackwolf it will not hurt as much.

in joy= MORON I love it....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

in joy= MORON I love it....

people who work use voice text.

I think good and my son plays good too with that stick thingy. Where did I put my straw hat?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think good and my son plays good too with that stick thingy. Where did I put my straw hat?

Ok so I get it you have to be book smart to talk about lacrosse. Thanks for clearing this up for me. Football players are dumb jocks but a football playbook is 100 pages or more. I do not know if and how big a college playbook is but I can tell you that the high school plays are just taught on the field and never written down.

Anyone check out the National Lacrosse Championships currently going on in FL? Basically a bunch of Madlax teams in all age groups. What do you think the price tag was for this boondoggle and how do you think it was advertised to Madlax families months ago when the recruitment pitch for the tournament started?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone check out the National Lacrosse Championships currently going on in FL? Basically a bunch of Madlax teams in all age groups. What do you think the price tag was for this boondoggle and how do you think it was advertised to Madlax families months ago when the recruitment pitch for the tournament started?

84 and sunny. My son is having fun. Had some great sea food last night. Spending most of tomorrow at the beach. Life is good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone check out the National Lacrosse Championships currently going on in FL? Basically a bunch of Madlax teams in all age groups. What do you think the price tag was for this boondoggle and how do you think it was advertised to Madlax families months ago when the recruitment pitch for the tournament started?

84 and sunny. My son is having fun. Had some great sea food last night. Spending most of tomorrow at the beach. Life is good.

Probably a fun vacation for families with money. The lacrosse must be awful, especially for those families on tight budgets.

No shocker that this tournament stinks. Most of that club's tournaments have terrible opponents. They previously bragged that the 3d National teams would be there, but of course that didn't happen.

Wow. This is really bad. But I'm sure those Boca Bandits are chock full of D1 recruits.

Elite 'Open' Division
Madlax Nationals 2016-17
Madlax Southern Stars 2016-18
Team Carolina 2017
Madlax Nationals 2018
Madlax Nationals 2019
Boca Bandits

Jr. Elite Division
Madlax Nationals 2020
Madlax-Georgia
Team 24/7 2020
C2C Nationals 2020
Akwesasne Attack 2019-20
Madlax Regional All-Stars 2019-20

Future Elite Division
Madlax Nationals 2021
Madlax-Georgia 2021
Team Carolina 2021
C2C Nationals 2021
Madlax Nationals 2022
Madlax Regional All-Stars 2021-23
Madlax Southern Stars 2021-23

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone check out the National Lacrosse Championships currently going on in FL? Basically a bunch of Madlax teams in all age groups. What do you think the price tag was for this boondoggle and how do you think it was advertised to Madlax families months ago when the recruitment pitch for the tournament started?

84 and sunny. My son is having fun. Had some great sea food last night. Spending most of tomorrow at the beach. Life is good.

Probably a fun vacation for families with money. The lacrosse must be awful, especially for those families on tight budgets.

No shocker that this tournament stinks. Most of that club's tournaments have terrible opponents. They previously bragged that the 3d National teams would be there, but of course that didn't happen.

Wow. This is really bad. But I'm sure those Boca Bandits are chock full of D1 recruits.

Elite 'Open' Division
Madlax Nationals 2016-17
Madlax Southern Stars 2016-18
Team Carolina 2017
Madlax Nationals 2018
Madlax Nationals 2019
Boca Bandits

Jr. Elite Division
Madlax Nationals 2020
Madlax-Georgia
Team 24/7 2020
C2C Nationals 2020
Akwesasne Attack 2019-20
Madlax Regional All-Stars 2019-20

Future Elite Division
Madlax Nationals 2021
Madlax-Georgia 2021
Team Carolina 2021
C2C Nationals 2021
Madlax Nationals 2022
Madlax Regional All-Stars 2021-23
Madlax Southern Stars 2021-23

Everyone here seems to be having a good time. I am sorry our sons' teams are not up to your standards. Have a happy new year.

Bitmore would have been gone but people were afraid to invite the club that no one wants to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone check out the National Lacrosse Championships currently going on in FL? Basically a bunch of Madlax teams in all age groups. What do you think the price tag was for this boondoggle and how do you think it was advertised to Madlax families months ago when the recruitment pitch for the tournament started?

84 and sunny. My son is having fun. Had some great sea food last night. Spending most of tomorrow at the beach. Life is good.

Probably a fun vacation for families with money. The lacrosse must be awful, especially for those families on tight budgets.

No shocker that this tournament stinks. Most of that club's tournaments have terrible opponents. They previously bragged that the 3d National teams would be there, but of course that didn't happen.

Wow. This is really bad. But I'm sure those Boca Bandits are chock full of D1 recruits.

Elite 'Open' Division
Madlax Nationals 2016-17
Madlax Southern Stars 2016-18
Team Carolina 2017
Madlax Nationals 2018
Madlax Nationals 2019
Boca Bandits

Jr. Elite Division
Madlax Nationals 2020
Madlax-Georgia
Team 24/7 2020
C2C Nationals 2020
Akwesasne Attack 2019-20
Madlax Regional All-Stars 2019-20

Future Elite Division
Madlax Nationals 2021
Madlax-Georgia 2021
Team Carolina 2021
C2C Nationals 2021
Madlax Nationals 2022
Madlax Regional All-Stars 2021-23
Madlax Southern Stars 2021-23

Everyone here seems to be having a good time. I am sorry our sons' teams are not up to your standards. Have a happy new year.

Looks like there is an 80% chance of team with Madlax in it's name to win. I wonder how much they will swap the kids around during the tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3d 2022 owned madlax capital!

What league or tournament?

Did 3D get a bunch of kids from somewhere?

Did Madlax lose a lot of kids to other clubs?

3D Mid-Atlantic 11, Madlax Capital 7 (at Madlax Fall Fest)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone check out the National Lacrosse Championships currently going on in FL? Basically a bunch of Madlax teams in all age groups. What do you think the price tag was for this boondoggle and how do you think it was advertised to Madlax families months ago when the recruitment pitch for the tournament started?

84 and sunny. My son is having fun. Had some great sea food last night. Spending most of tomorrow at the beach. Life is good.

Probably a fun vacation for families with money. The lacrosse must be awful, especially for those families on tight budgets.

No shocker that this tournament stinks. Most of that club's tournaments have terrible opponents. They previously bragged that the 3d National teams would be there, but of course that didn't happen.

Wow. This is really bad. But I'm sure those Boca Bandits are chock full of D1 recruits.

Elite 'Open' Division
Madlax Nationals 2016-17
Madlax Southern Stars 2016-18
Team Carolina 2017
Madlax Nationals 2018
Madlax Nationals 2019
Boca Bandits

Jr. Elite Division
Madlax Nationals 2020
Madlax-Georgia
Team 24/7 2020
C2C Nationals 2020
Akwesasne Attack 2019-20
Madlax Regional All-Stars 2019-20

Future Elite Division
Madlax Nationals 2021
Madlax-Georgia 2021
Team Carolina 2021
C2C Nationals 2021
Madlax Nationals 2022
Madlax Regional All-Stars 2021-23
Madlax Southern Stars 2021-23

Everyone here seems to be having a good time. I am sorry our sons' teams are not up to your standards. Have a happy new year.

You're not speaking for everyone down there. Talked to my buddy whose son is playing and they are steamed. The competition is terrible, but they knew that would probably be the case. I may have misunderstood him, but he said everyone they played 3 games yesterday but just ONE game today. Then another pool game tomorrow morning and then just one playoff game.

So they spread 6 games over 3 days? They easily could have done this tournament over just 2 days but instead my friend has to spend an extra day of hotel, food, etc.

No dog in the fight, but there has been a few really bad recent Madlax events. The fall high school showcase at Landon was some of the ugliest play and was very slip shod in terms of the teams assembled. Florida is a fun destination, so there's that. But things like this just dilute a club's credibility.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No dog in the fight, but there has been a few really bad recent Madlax events. The fall high school showcase at Landon was some of the ugliest play and was very slip shod in terms of the teams assembled. Florida is a fun destination, so there's that. But things like this just dilute a club's credibility.

I can see and understand your thoughts. But I think the key is like all business you have to try to expand and do new things. Madlax is a business not two high school coaches making a team to keep the players together in the same area. So I think if they do not learn from these errors they should get crap. But more thoughts on the FL. tournament they where thinking big and you can see that at one time they had 3D and LI express teams coming. But we will never know why they pulled out. Madlax is crazy but I do not think they would of listed these big clubs as coming if they where not told by someone they would be coming. But for the people that went the schedule and teams are listed on the website. As for the showcase the big mistake there was the 4 showcase teams playing on Sunday. I can bet my savings account they will go back to 2 showcase teams on Sunday playing the top high school teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No dog in the fight, but there has been a few really bad recent Madlax events. The fall high school showcase at Landon was some of the ugliest play and was very slip shod in terms of the teams assembled. Florida is a fun destination, so there's that. But things like this just dilute a club's credibility.

I can see and understand your thoughts. But I think the key is like all business you have to try to expand and do new things. Madlax is a business not two high school coaches making a team to keep the players together in the same area. So I think if they do not learn from these errors they should get crap. But more thoughts on the FL. tournament they where thinking big and you can see that at one time they had 3D and LI express teams coming. But we will never know why they pulled out. Madlax is crazy but I do not think they would of listed these big clubs as coming if they where not told by someone they would be coming. But for the people that went the schedule and teams are listed on the website. As for the showcase the big mistake there was the 4 showcase teams playing on Sunday. I can bet my savings account they will go back to 2 showcase teams on Sunday playing the top high school teams.

I'm sure they pulled out due to lack of competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Anyone check out the National Lacrosse Championships currently going on in FL? Basically a bunch of Madlax teams in all age groups. What do you think the price tag was for this boondoggle and how do you think it was advertised to Madlax families months ago when the recruitment pitch for the tournament started?

84 and sunny. My son is having fun. Had some great sea food last night. Spending most of tomorrow at the beach. Life is good.

Probably a fun vacation for families with money. The lacrosse must be awful, especially for those families on tight budgets.

No shocker that this tournament stinks. Most of that club's tournaments have terrible opponents. They previously bragged that the 3d National teams would be there, but of course that didn't happen.

Wow. This is really bad. But I'm sure those Boca Bandits are chock full of D1 recruits.

Elite 'Open' Division
Madlax Nationals 2016-17
Madlax Southern Stars 2016-18
Team Carolina 2017
Madlax Nationals 2018
Madlax Nationals 2019
Boca Bandits

Jr. Elite Division
Madlax Nationals 2020
Madlax-Georgia
Team 24/7 2020
C2C Nationals 2020
Akwesasne Attack 2019-20
Madlax Regional All-Stars 2019-20

Future Elite Division
Madlax Nationals 2021
Madlax-Georgia 2021
Team Carolina 2021
C2C Nationals 2021
Madlax Nationals 2022
Madlax Regional All-Stars 2021-23
Madlax Southern Stars 2021-23

Everyone here seems to be having a good time. I am sorry our sons' teams are not up to your standards. Have a happy new year.

You're not speaking for everyone down there. Talked to my buddy whose son is playing and they are steamed. The competition is terrible, but they knew that would probably be the case. I may have misunderstood him, but he said everyone they played 3 games yesterday but just ONE game today. Then another pool game tomorrow morning and then just one playoff game.

So they spread 6 games over 3 days? They easily could have done this tournament over just 2 days but instead my friend has to spend an extra day of hotel, food, etc.[/quote

It was designed to be a combination of lacrosse and vacation. They gave everyone an afternoon off today to play golf, go to the beach etc. I am currently enjoying the 85 degrees sitting on the beach drinking a cold beer. There is more to life than lax.

If their is more to life than lax, why don't you spend your money on a real family vacation instead of spending it on a half assed tournament thrown by a club that is known to care only about $$$.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can see and understand your thoughts. But I think the key is like all business you have to try to expand and do new things. Madlax is a business not two high school coaches making a team to keep the players together in the same area. So I think if they do not learn from these errors they should get crap. But more thoughts on the FL. tournament they where thinking big and you can see that at one time they had 3D and LI express teams coming. But we will never know why they pulled out. Madlax is crazy but I do not think they would of listed these big clubs as coming if they where not told by someone they would be coming. But for the people that went the schedule and teams are listed on the website. As for the showcase the big mistake there was the 4 showcase teams playing on Sunday. I can bet my savings account they will go back to 2 showcase teams on Sunday playing the top high school teams.

This is not a new thing for that club. They have been putting on tournaments for years, and a weak lineup of opponents is a near constant. They are getting crap because they either don't care about learning from their mistakes or are inept. Or both.

I think you said before that only their youth teams are forced to play in a crappy tournament against terrible competition. Guess that now applies to their HS kids too.

The revamped schedule was listed after all of the families had paid. They should have known based on history that this tournament would probably be terrible, but they likely had no idea it would be this bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can see and understand your thoughts. But I think the key is like all business you have to try to expand and do new things. Madlax is a business not two high school coaches making a team to keep the players together in the same area. So I think if they do not learn from these errors they should get crap. But more thoughts on the FL. tournament they where thinking big and you can see that at one time they had 3D and LI express teams coming. But we will never know why they pulled out. Madlax is crazy but I do not think they would of listed these big clubs as coming if they where not told by someone they would be coming. But for the people that went the schedule and teams are listed on the website. As for the showcase the big mistake there was the 4 showcase teams playing on Sunday. I can bet my savings account they will go back to 2 showcase teams on Sunday playing the top high school teams.

This is not a new thing for that club. They have been putting on tournaments for years, and a weak lineup of opponents is a near constant. They are getting crap because they either don't care about learning from their mistakes or are inept. Or both.

I think you said before that only their youth teams are forced to play in a crappy tournament against terrible competition. Guess that now applies to their HS kids too.

The revamped schedule was listed after all of the families had paid. They should have known based on history that this tournament would probably be terrible, but they likely had no idea it would be this bad.

It isn't like the Madlax teams are dominating. Two of them are undefeated but have had close games. The rest of them have had all of the competition they could handle.

Are rosters posted anywhere? Interested to see which Madlax kids are playing.

Heard that Madlax is ending its Fall tryouts, so now the summer teams will carry over through the Fall. Guess that stops the Madlax kids from trying out for multiple clubs. Take that VLC/3d.

LOL. Madlax put up the divisions for their box tournament, and they put all the good teams from NY and PA in a division, and gave their Madlax team cupcake opponents.

It's tryout time again - anyone there to see if the infusion of talent is coming?

Madlax will once again filed the best teams in the DMV across all age groups--superior coaching, superior talent = the best

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax will once again filed the best teams in the DMV across all age groups--superior coaching, superior talent = the best

If you were talking about wiffle ball lacrosse I would agree with you, but regular lacrosse, you are out of your mind.

Yes, there is not much competition for them in the DMV but not sure how they will fare against Baltimore teams like Crabs and FCA....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's tryout time again - anyone there to see if the infusion of talent is coming?

I heard some 2020 VLC kids where at tryouts? Can not confirm or deny.

2022 had about 45 kids
2021 had about 70 kids there ranging in level from elite to horrible
2020 had 50+ kids, yes some with VLC helmets

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax will once again filed the best teams in the DMV across all age groups--superior coaching, superior talent = the best

If you were talking about wiffle ball lacrosse I would agree with you, but regular lacrosse, you are out of your mind.

If you say this you must state the club or clubs you think are better!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax will once again filed the best teams in the DMV across all age groups--superior coaching, superior talent = the best

If you were talking about wiffle ball lacrosse I would agree with you, but regular lacrosse, you are out of your mind.

If you say this you must state the club or clubs you think are better!

If Madlax is so good, how come they are not playing for a spot in the Howard County 2020 "Elite" bracket?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax will once again filed the best teams in the DMV across all age groups--superior coaching, superior talent = the best

If you were talking about wiffle ball lacrosse I would agree with you, but regular lacrosse, you are out of your mind.

If you say this you must state the club or clubs you think are better!

Really? Why, because you say so. The list would be too long and no need to waste space.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's tryout time again - anyone there to see if the infusion of talent is coming?

I heard some 2020 VLC kids where at tryouts? Can not confirm or deny.

They were them for certain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax will once again filed the best teams in the DMV across all age groups--superior coaching, superior talent = the best

If you were talking about wiffle ball lacrosse I would agree with you, but regular lacrosse, you are out of your mind.

If you say this you must state the club or clubs you think are better!

If Madlax is so good, how come they are not playing for a spot in the Howard County 2020 "Elite" bracket?

What NOVA teams are playing for spots in the Elite bracket? SIR

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax will once again filed the best teams in the DMV across all age groups--superior coaching, superior talent = the best

If you were talking about wiffle ball lacrosse I would agree with you, but regular lacrosse, you are out of your mind.

If you say this you must state the club or clubs you think are better!

Really? Why, because you say so. The list would be too long and no need to waste space.

Your posts are a waste of space. So just list the ones you think are better or hush.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax will once again filed the best teams in the DMV across all age groups--superior coaching, superior talent = the best

If you were talking about wiffle ball lacrosse I would agree with you, but regular lacrosse, you are out of your mind.

If you say this you must state the club or clubs you think are better!

Really? Why, because you say so. The list would be too long and no need to waste space.

Your posts are a waste of space. So just list the ones you think are better or hush.

Ok, if you insist, I'll list the teams better than Maxlax.

All youth teams playing lacrosse.

So there you have it, the above list is pretty comprehensive and through.

Madlax best in DMV....maybe Crabs is better in Mid Atlantic....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax best in DMV....maybe Crabs is better in Mid Atlantic....

Why are you not participating this weekend for the 2020 Howard County AA Elite bracket so you get to play Crabs this spring?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax best in DMV....maybe Crabs is better in Mid Atlantic....

Why are you not participating this weekend for the 2020 Howard County AA Elite bracket so you get to play Crabs this spring?

so who is participating?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax best in DMV....maybe Crabs is better in Mid Atlantic....

Wrong, dad.

Name a better organization in DMV.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Name a better organization in DMV.....

Any team playing club lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Name a better organization in DMV.....

They will not do it because we will crush whatever club they have the guts to name. Madlax has had teams for 20 years from youth to high school. There top teams have been really good to great every year of those 20 years. And if you want to talk about the A or second level teams they have put out over the years we can do that also. There A teams compete in tournaments that no other local dad ran "A" club could ever go to. These facts are 100% facts. On the flip side I will give you that the club costs a ton of money. I will give you that the owner can lose his head if he feels he gave you tons of exposure and positive reviews to the people that matter and you leave without a word in the middle of the night. But as for the world of travel lacrosse there is no more of a sure thing then a Madlax team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Name a better organization in DMV.....

They will not do it because we will crush whatever club they have the guts to name. Madlax has had teams for 20 years from youth to high school. There top teams have been really good to great every year of those 20 years. And if you want to talk about the A or second level teams they have put out over the years we can do that also. There A teams compete in tournaments that no other local dad ran "A" club could ever go to. These facts are 100% facts. On the flip side I will give you that the club costs a ton of money. I will give you that the owner can lose his head if he feels he gave you tons of exposure and positive reviews to the people that matter and you leave without a word in the middle of the night. But as for the world of travel lacrosse there is no more of a sure thing then a Madlax team.

In NOVA not the USA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Name a better organization in DMV.....

They will not do it because we will crush whatever club they have the guts to name. Madlax has had teams for 20 years from youth to high school. There top teams have been really good to great every year of those 20 years. And if you want to talk about the A or second level teams they have put out over the years we can do that also. There A teams compete in tournaments that no other local dad ran "A" club could ever go to. These facts are 100% facts. On the flip side I will give you that the club costs a ton of money. I will give you that the owner can lose his head if he feels he gave you tons of exposure and positive reviews to the people that matter and you leave without a word in the middle of the night. But as for the world of travel lacrosse there is no more of a sure thing then a Madlax team.

Redneck Madlax dad is back. Sorry, but kissing the owner's butt is not going to help you.

Everyone knows BW and VLC are better, especially for college recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Name a better organization in DMV.....

They will not do it because we will crush whatever club they have the guts to name. Madlax has had teams for 20 years from youth to high school. There top teams have been really good to great every year of those 20 years. And if you want to talk about the A or second level teams they have put out over the years we can do that also. There A teams compete in tournaments that no other local dad ran "A" club could ever go to. These facts are 100% facts. On the flip side I will give you that the club costs a ton of money. I will give you that the owner can lose his head if he feels he gave you tons of exposure and positive reviews to the people that matter and you leave without a word in the middle of the night. But as for the world of travel lacrosse there is no more of a sure thing then a Madlax team.

Redneck Madlax dad is back. Sorry, but kissing the owner's butt is not going to help you.

Everyone knows BW and VLC are better, especially for college recruiting. [/quo
VLC will be a distant 3rd on this list the next 4 years for sure. Just start at 2018 and see that Madlax is smoking them. And when you talk about BW they just take kids off of Private high school teams that are in the top 10 in the country. All of there kids are days from picking a college before they even play 1 game for BW. That is why they play so few tournaments. Because this is the club for they sure thing stud top private school kids to stay sharp but not get burned out. But us Redneck public school NOVA parents need a top club for our sons to be seen. And Madlax is it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Name a better organization in DMV.....

They will not do it because we will crush whatever club they have the guts to name. Madlax has had teams for 20 years from youth to high school. There top teams have been really good to great every year of those 20 years. And if you want to talk about the A or second level teams they have put out over the years we can do that also. There A teams compete in tournaments that no other local dad ran "A" club could ever go to. These facts are 100% facts. On the flip side I will give you that the club costs a ton of money. I will give you that the owner can lose his head if he feels he gave you tons of exposure and positive reviews to the people that matter and you leave without a word in the middle of the night. But as for the world of travel lacrosse there is no more of a sure thing then a Madlax team.

Redneck Madlax dad is back. Sorry, but kissing the owner's butt is not going to help you.

Everyone knows BW and VLC are better, especially for college recruiting.

Well Madlax is the only VA club in the HOCO elite div. this spring. So its not even a conversation for any kid 8th grade or younger Madlax is the best VA option.

VLC will be a distant 3rd on this list the next 4 years for sure. Just start at 2018 and see that Madlax is smoking them. And when you talk about BW they just take kids off of Private high school teams that are in the top 10 in the country. All of there kids are days from picking a college before they even play 1 game for BW. That is why they play so few tournaments. Because this is the club for they sure thing stud top private school kids to stay sharp but not get burned out. But us Redneck public school NOVA parents need a top club for our sons to be seen. And Madlax is it. [/quote]

VLC 2018 is not smoking them. Half of that team has quit. Some parents told me they lost a lot of games this fall.

You really love that Madlax guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC will be a distant 3rd on this list the next 4 years for sure. Just start at 2018 and see that Madlax is smoking them. And when you talk about BW they just take kids off of Private high school teams that are in the top 10 in the country. All of there kids are days from picking a college before they even play 1 game for BW. That is why they play so few tournaments. Because this is the club for they sure thing stud top private school kids to stay sharp but not get burned out. But us Redneck public school NOVA parents need a top club for our sons to be seen. And Madlax is it.

VLC 2018 is not smoking them. Half of that team has quit. Some parents told me they lost a lot of games this fall.

You really love that Madlax guy. [/quote]
You are saying Madlax 2018 lost a lot of games. I have done the math but I would guess they had a 750% winning percentage or higher over the last 12 months. And everyone knows Madlax 2019 has at least a 900% winning percentage over the last 12 months. Madlax 2020 and 2021 are not great but they are better then VLC 2020 and 2021. So this would mean that Madlax is the better club for this 4 year window.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Name a better organization in DMV.....

They will not do it because we will crush whatever club they have the guts to name. Madlax has had teams for 20 years from youth to high school. There top teams have been really good to great every year of those 20 years. And if you want to talk about the A or second level teams they have put out over the years we can do that also. There A teams compete in tournaments that no other local dad ran "A" club could ever go to. These facts are 100% facts. On the flip side I will give you that the club costs a ton of money. I will give you that the owner can lose his head if he feels he gave you tons of exposure and positive reviews to the people that matter and you leave without a word in the middle of the night. But as for the world of travel lacrosse there is no more of a sure thing then a Madlax team.

Redneck Madlax dad is back. Sorry, but kissing the owner's butt is not going to help you.

Everyone knows BW and VLC are better, especially for college recruiting.

Well Madlax is the only VA club in the HOCO elite div. this spring. So its not even a conversation for any kid 8th grade or younger Madlax is the best VA option.

Hoco elite - they're not in there yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC will be a distant 3rd on this list the next 4 years for sure. Just start at 2018 and see that Madlax is smoking them. And when you talk about BW they just take kids off of Private high school teams that are in the top 10 in the country. All of there kids are days from picking a college before they even play 1 game for BW. That is why they play so few tournaments. Because this is the club for they sure thing stud top private school kids to stay sharp but not get burned out. But us Redneck public school NOVA parents need a top club for our sons to be seen. And Madlax is it.

VLC 2018 is not smoking them. Half of that team has quit. Some parents told me they lost a lot of games this fall.

You really love that Madlax guy.

You are saying Madlax 2018 lost a lot of games. I have done the math but I would guess they had a 750% winning percentage or higher over the last 12 months. And everyone knows Madlax 2019 has at least a 900% winning percentage over the last 12 months. Madlax 2020 and 2021 are not great but they are better then VLC 2020 and 2021. So this would mean that Madlax is the better club for this 4 year window. [/quote]

Winning games 750% to 900% of the time is really good. Madlax owner is the lowest common denominator of youth sports, but look at the coaching resources he has assembled. You develop players in a program that is set up this way. VLC and Blackwolf are basically the same thing with the exception being VLC made a half assed attempt to do youth teams. VLC had a fast start for a few years when the owner/parent put a lot of resources into it and they were able to poach away kids from other clubs. That's no different from what BW did soon after for HS teams.

VLC has few resources and has gone to the VLC parent coaches plus local public school coaches filling in model. Like BW they have managed to look impressive on paper with college placements, but that is better story than fact. Most VLC and BW kids get heavily promoted by their prep coaches (and sometimes regardless of whether they can play at a high level). Ryan McLernan promised everyone a rainbow, but the bottom line is if you are not a part of the Great Falls youth rec backstory or your kid is not at PVI, Landon then you can just forget it in terms of Dico or Adam Langley supporting your college placement chances until they are done with their first list. Those guys are nice guys and there are exceptions to this, but let's be honest. Jack Rowlett would have been recruited regardless of club team, and kids like Rowe who faces off at Duke were invisible when they played at a public HS and for VLC. Rowe was so underexposed he matriculated to Stony Brook to get a chance, then he transferred to Duke.

If you have a kid playing in the Fairfax Co or Loudon Co public schools, you are way better off with Madlax.

Agree, VLC had a great 2015 team. It's been falling apart since then. The 2016 team got decimated when 9 kids left for BW. The 2017 team was a great middle school team and still has a couple outstanding players, but that team also had several families bail out to other clubs. There aren't any elite VLC teams below that grade. Placing kids in college lacrosse isn't that hard considering there are a couple dozen player starved lower tier D1 programs out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree, VLC had a great 2015 team. It's been falling apart since then. The 2016 team got decimated when 9 kids left for BW. The 2017 team was a great middle school team and still has a couple outstanding players, but that team also had several families bail out to other clubs. There aren't any elite VLC teams below that grade. Placing kids in college lacrosse isn't that hard considering there are a couple dozen player starved lower tier D1 programs out there.

I agree with this post tell the last point. There has never been more kids playing high school lacrosse then now. And the number of D1 schools has gone up what 5 schools in the last 10 years. So getting on a D1 roster has never been more impressive in the history of college lacrosse.

Have you guys actually watched or seen madlax 2020 play? Attend tryouts? I assure it was not pretty. The 2020 team is no where near their 2019 team. I'd welcome them to play in the Elite division so they can get humbled every week and have Maddux lose his mind on the sidelines.

There is a point where playing better competition doesn't help build better players; all it will do is alienate the parents and frustrate the kids. The end result, parents will switch clubs. These are the same parents who have never played the game or think their son is the next Paul Rabil. Obviously it is the team and coaches fault. Never the kid. Obviously finding the right club and coach will fix his work ethic and determination to succeed.

If madlax plays in the Elite division, it isn't because of the talent level. And if they do, I can guarantee there will be turnover come season end.

Broadly speaking 2020s and below won't be half the players 2012 or 2014 kids were regardless of club. Club lacrosse doesn't focus enough on developing players with fundamentals or team play. It is a really ugly sport at the youth level now. When people point to 7th and 8th grade kids who are the next college recruits now, I just laugh. The level of play has gotten so bad I am amazed that the recruiting has followed it this far down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you guys actually watched or seen madlax 2020 play? Attend tryouts? I assure it was not pretty. The 2020 team is no where near their 2019 team. I'd welcome them to play in the Elite division so they can get humbled every week and have Maddux lose his mind on the sidelines.

There is a point where playing better competition doesn't help build better players; all it will do is alienate the parents and frustrate the kids. The end result, parents will switch clubs. These are the same parents who have never played the game or think their son is the next Paul Rabil. Obviously it is the team and coaches fault. Never the kid. Obviously finding the right club and coach will fix his work ethic and determination to succeed.

If madlax plays in the Elite division, it isn't because of the talent level. And if they do, I can guarantee there will be turnover come season end.

It looks like to me this team just added 4 to 5 new players from the summer. I think it could end up being more. I am sure they have added 2 VLC kids I do not know where the others came from.
And a team from VA should play at this highest level win or lose so NOVA knows what they need to do to be elite. It could push the elite kids from the other NOVA clubs to combine to one team so we in NOVA can have at least one Elite team at the 2020 age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC will be a distant 3rd on this list the next 4 years for sure. Just start at 2018 and see that Madlax is smoking them. And when you talk about BW they just take kids off of Private high school teams that are in the top 10 in the country. All of there kids are days from picking a college before they even play 1 game for BW. That is why they play so few tournaments. Because this is the club for they sure thing stud top private school kids to stay sharp but not get burned out. But us Redneck public school NOVA parents need a top club for our sons to be seen. And Madlax is it.

VLC 2018 is not smoking them. Half of that team has quit. Some parents told me they lost a lot of games this fall.

You really love that Madlax guy.

You are saying Madlax 2018 lost a lot of games. I have done the math but I would guess they had a 750% winning percentage or higher over the last 12 months. And everyone knows Madlax 2019 has at least a 900% winning percentage over the last 12 months. Madlax 2020 and 2021 are not great but they are better then VLC 2020 and 2021. So this would mean that Madlax is the better club for this 4 year window.

Winning games 750% to 900% of the time is really good. Madlax owner is the lowest common denominator of youth sports, but look at the coaching resources he has assembled. You develop players in a program that is set up this way. VLC and Blackwolf are basically the same thing with the exception being VLC made a half assed attempt to do youth teams. VLC had a fast start for a few years when the owner/parent put a lot of resources into it and they were able to poach away kids from other clubs. That's no different from what BW did soon after for HS teams.

VLC has few resources and has gone to the VLC parent coaches plus local public school coaches filling in model. Like BW they have managed to look impressive on paper with college placements, but that is better story than fact. Most VLC and BW kids get heavily promoted by their prep coaches (and sometimes regardless of whether they can play at a high level). Ryan McLernan promised everyone a rainbow, but the bottom line is if you are not a part of the Great Falls youth rec backstory or your kid is not at PVI, Landon then you can just forget it in terms of Dico or Adam Langley supporting your college placement chances until they are done with their first list. Those guys are nice guys and there are exceptions to this, but let's be honest. Jack Rowlett would have been recruited regardless of club team, and kids like Rowe who faces off at Duke were invisible when they played at a public HS and for VLC. Rowe was so underexposed he matriculated to Stony Brook to get a chance, then he transferred to Duke.

If you have a kid playing in the Fairfax Co or Loudon Co public schools, you are way better off with Madlax. [/quote]

Some truth in there with regards to private school preference, but all clubs are skewed to the privates. Langley and Dico are outstanding coaches and I would say VLC is much more accommodative than BW or even Madlax.....what public school kids does Madlax have committed D1? Their list on the website is almost exclusively private. It is true that Madlax offers a lot more lax development at the youth level but the price of that is pretty crazy. For youth they are definitely the only game in town in nova for a full service club that doesn't depend on rec to supplement. Those are 3 very different products. I'm not sure I would even consider BW a nova club....they are more DC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Broadly speaking 2020s and below won't be half the players 2012 or 2014 kids were regardless of club. Club lacrosse doesn't focus enough on developing players with fundamentals or team play. It is a really ugly sport at the youth level now. When people point to 7th and 8th grade kids who are the next college recruits now, I just laugh. The level of play has gotten so bad I am amazed that the recruiting has followed it this far down.

Says the bitter old man. Kids attend more clinics, camps, and practices then ever. This is a fact. How can baseball people say the youth has never been better coached and skilled. But lacrosse which is getting larger with tons more camps and practices are worse? I think you have just lost your prescriptive because your son is older. These kids play more then ever. You can argue they will get burned out or have over use injury's but to say they are less skilled is crazy. And to talk about playing a team game. I will use a basketball analogy. Any college coach knows he can take a kid with a great jump shot, dribbling, size and speed, and teach them the Princeton O. But the skills from playing as much as these kids only comes with this much time put into it. I would argue that using complex and detailed plays with youth hurts them more then helps. Because these plays get a kid wide open. And these kids do not learn to beat a man one on one. Or play a two man game. The help you win the 11U Championship but does it make those kids skills better I would say no. I agree they have to learn to pass more and see the slides. But the better teams do teach to pass more and see the double teams. The D1 game is about beating a man one on one. Or seeing the slide. This is not a hard game do not try to make it one.

Please tell me you are not attending other team's tryouts.

There are no NOVA clubs participating in the HOCO elite 2020 play in tournament. Next Level/MDX/Team91 MD/Cannons. Looks like Madlax and VLC decided to drop out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are no NOVA clubs participating in the HOCO elite 2020 play in tournament. Next Level/MDX/Team91 MD/Cannons. Looks like Madlax and VLC decided to drop out.

Were there any other teams that were supposed to participate that dropped out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are no NOVA clubs participating in the HOCO elite 2020 play in tournament. Next Level/MDX/Team91 MD/Cannons. Looks like Madlax and VLC decided to drop out.

Were there any other teams that were supposed to participate that dropped out?

Madlax needs to be there. There is too much Nova talent to not have a team in the top Hoco league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are no NOVA clubs participating in the HOCO elite 2020 play in tournament. Next Level/MDX/Team91 MD/Cannons. Looks like Madlax and VLC decided to drop out.

Were there any other teams that were supposed to participate that dropped out?

Madlax needs to be there. There is too much Nova talent to not have a team in the top Hoco league.

The Madlax 2020 team is not very good. They should not be in the top tier. You would agree if you had ever watched them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are no NOVA clubs participating in the HOCO elite 2020 play in tournament. Next Level/MDX/Team91 MD/Cannons. Looks like Madlax and VLC decided to drop out.

Were there any other teams that were supposed to participate that dropped out?

Madlax needs to be there. There is too much Nova talent to not have a team in the top Hoco league.

The Madlax 2020 team is not very good. They should not be in the top tier. You would agree if you had ever watched them.

They have added several players. And even if they get smoked each week a NOVA team has to be in the top bracket. We have to give the NOvA kids a option to play in this top bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are no NOVA clubs participating in the HOCO elite 2020 play in tournament. Next Level/MDX/Team91 MD/Cannons. Looks like Madlax and VLC decided to drop out.

Were there any other teams that were supposed to participate that dropped out?

Madlax needs to be there. There is too much Nova talent to not have a team in the top Hoco league.

The Madlax 2020 team is not very good. They should not be in the top tier. You would agree if you had ever watched them.

They have added several players. And even if they get smoked each week a NOVA team has to be in the top bracket. We have to give the NOvA kids a option to play in this top bracket.

Why? They have not earned it nor have they come close to winning against the six teams in the bracket in years.

I could really care less...but 2020 Madlax is not on that level. It is smart to play AA vice elite. The 2019 Madlax team is excellent and is on the elite level. Nova has good talent, but it is diluted more than in Md. Cannons are not up there either nor is MDX. Next level 2020 can probably play at elite, but it will be tough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are no NOVA clubs participating in the HOCO elite 2020 play in tournament. Next Level/MDX/Team91 MD/Cannons. Looks like Madlax and VLC decided to drop out.

Were there any other teams that were supposed to participate that dropped out?

Madlax needs to be there. There is too much Nova talent to not have a team in the top Hoco league.

The Madlax 2020 team is not very good. They should not be in the top tier. You would agree if you had ever watched them.

They have added several players. And even if they get smoked each week a NOVA team has to be in the top bracket. We have to give the NOvA kids a option to play in this top bracket.

You are one strange dad.

Madlax 2020 Capital team are they playing in the HOCO league YES or NO?

It has been answered here multiple times. Get a life

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It has been answered here multiple times. Get a life

Ah no each time the person says I think or I heard. No one has said I have a kid on 2020 and we have been told we are not playing in HOCO. Like good reporter I like to check facts and hear from more then one source before I repeat something as a fact. So yes I would love to get a life but this answer kinda of effects my sons life which is part of my life. So I would say I got a life.

Obviously you have no life if you feel that this will effect your son's life.

The answer is no, we back out. We knew we couldn't compete. We will be better in the summer. Now make sure you pay your academy fee

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It has been answered here multiple times. Get a life

Ah no each time the person says I think or I heard. No one has said I have a kid on 2020 and we have been told we are not playing in HOCO. Like good reporter I like to check facts and hear from more then one source before I repeat something as a fact. So yes I would love to get a life but this answer kinda of effects my sons life which is part of my life. So I would say I got a life.

Why not just email the owner? Are you really that stupid?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It has been answered here multiple times. Get a life

Ah no each time the person says I think or I heard. No one has said I have a kid on 2020 and we have been told we are not playing in HOCO. Like good reporter I like to check facts and hear from more then one source before I repeat something as a fact. So yes I would love to get a life but this answer kinda of effects my sons life which is part of my life. So I would say I got a life.

Why not just email the owner? Are you really that stupid?

Hey thanks for the great idea. I never even thought about that. Man I am so stupid. Thanks again I am going to write that email now.

How did the 2022 Capital team do today against Cannons, 3D and fl$?

2022's results?

Why don't you just email the coach?

Did Madlax 2020 wimp out yesterday and not show up for a game? I am hearing there is some sort of disarray? Did players not show or something?

Not sure but that's 2 weeks in a row that they ducked Next Level

Madlax 2020 was scheduled play Next Level 2020 in the last game and just left the tournament, no explanation. Next Level played Roughriders/fl$/CB.

hOw did fl$ 2020 do ?

what was result of next level and rr 2020? thx

Madlax has been arguing to the HoCo league to allow the 2020 team back into the Elite division on merit. Response from the league was prove it lets see how the team does against Next Level in yesterday's play day. Madlax bailed at last minute rather than risk the loss and be proven not to be worthy. Last time I checked lacrosse was (not exclusively) about perseverance, grit and overcoming adversity. Apparently not for the powers that be at Madlax where protecting the brand at all costs is more important that allowing their players to explore their character. Nice. Way to lead the kids - run from the fight because you might lose.

Same reason why Madlax 2020 isn't playing in HoCo. Their 2020 and 2021 teams are very weak and they are worried about losing face because their youth program is starting to fall apart.

Word is several Madlax 2020 kids are looking to bolt.

NL2020 played For the love of the game or fl$. The message board for some reason (***) it out.

The game ended up being just one half. Think the score was NL2020 5-2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The game ended up being just one half. Think the score was NL2020 5-2.

They played one half and then left?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The game ended up being just one half. Think the score was NL2020 5-2.

They played one half and then left?

Which game?

NL2020 played RR2020 for only one half to start the tournament. I think RR were late arriving at the tournament. NL2020 won 5-2 then played For The Love of the Game (LI team) 8-4 and then CB 8-1. Don't know why Madlax2020 bailed on the final game.

Beaches Madlax is afraid of the consequences of being revealed as not ELITE. Really they deserve ridicule. Man up Mr Madlax.

Sounds like it was confirmed that Madlax 2020 is OUT of the HoCo league cause they were being placed in AA - which in all honesty, they should be placed.

Way to let the coach's ego and fear of diluting the "brand" of Madlax take precedence over the kids getting some quality reps and games. Sad.

The Madlax 2020 and 2021 teams are both pretty mediocre. Something is happening to Madlax. Looks like people with younger kids are looking elsewhere.

HOCO league is out, its a go that Madlax 2020 is not playing. Thank god the brand name is protected! That is so much more important than the kids actually getting to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO league is out, its a go that Madlax 2020 is not playing. Thank god the brand name is protected! That is so much more important than the kids actually getting to play.

From the HOCO schedule I am looking at it shows Madlax MD/VA in the 2020A division for 2016 season.

Madlax MD/VA 2020 is in the 3rd tier division of the HOCO league (2020 A division). Why isn't Madlax Cap 2020 playing in any of the HOCO leagues? If I was a parent of a player on that team I'd be pissed. How much is Madlax charging players to not participate in the league every other significant program in the area plays in? Its only 6 games but still important for local lacrosse. Interested in hearing the rationale from anyone on the Madlax team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax MD/VA 2020 is in the 3rd tier division of the HOCO league (2020 A division). Why isn't Madlax Cap 2020 playing in any of the HOCO leagues? If I was a parent of a player on that team I'd be pissed. How much is Madlax charging players to not participate in the league every other significant program in the area plays in? Its only 6 games but still important for local lacrosse. Interested in hearing the rationale from anyone on the Madlax team.

Not a MADLAX parent, but know a few of them that have kids on the 2020 Capital team. They're upset, as they should be ... the speculation on this board is absolutely true. It's about saving face since Capital wasn't able to play in Elite (even though everyone knows they should be in AA, yes even the MADLAX parents).

Not sure what quality clubs they're going to scrimmage, since the majority of local ones are all in HoCo. I assume teams from NJ/NY.

I suspect we will see an exodus of some kids come season end from Madlax to other clubs. The parents I know had already paid before all this was communicated, so they felt stuck.

My son plays for VLC 2020, we got the email identifying him as a top player, and inviting him to try out this spring for Madlax. Glad he wanted to stay put and invest the time in his VLC team mates and coaches. We aren't worked up about playing in the Elite HOCO league or not, very few of the boys are ready at this time. Hopefully they work hard and get there. Someone mentioned there is probably only enough talent for one elite 2020 team for VA, they are right on.

2020 parent - not happy - totally stuck though - trying to tough it out though

2019 Parent and I am disappointed in Madlax 2020 Cap for backing out of the league. Madlax 2020 should end up playing some if not all of these ELITE teams this summer. So they could of played in AA and won or lost then got there chance to prove them wrong in the summer. Or prove them correct. But it is very clear to me that the NOVA 2020 class has no where near the talent of 2018 and 2019. The good thing about Madlax has always been you play the most games at the highest level you can. So they should of just said they are screwing us out of the ELITE bracket but we want you to play as many games as we can get you so we are playing AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 Parent and I am disappointed in Madlax 2020 Cap for backing out of the league. Madlax 2020 should end up playing some if not all of these ELITE teams this summer. So they could of played in AA and won or lost then got there chance to prove them wrong in the summer. Or prove them correct. But it is very clear to me that the NOVA 2020 class has no where near the talent of 2018 and 2019. The good thing about Madlax has always been you play the most games at the highest level you can. So they should of just said they are screwing us out of the ELITE bracket but we want you to play as many games as we can get you so we are playing AA.

They should have showed up for the play in or for the game against Next Level either of which would have helped prove them able to be in the elite bracket. Looks like they just wanted what they wanted and were not willing to prove they belong which the consensus is they did not belong. In the end the kids lose because of the owner's temper tantrum.

3d doesn't have the best teams in that grade, but they do have the best coaches. You'll never hear a 3d parent with anything unkind to say about Spencer Ford or Steven Brooks. Those guys are honest and have the best interests of the kids at heart. And those two have done more in the sport of lacrosse than all the Madlax coaches and VLC coaches added together.

The thing that really ticks us off is this all went down after tryouts and by the time there is no other option for our son but to stick it out. Time will tell, but this is too important a year for this stuff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The thing that really ticks us off is this all went down after tryouts and by the time there is no other option for our son but to stick it out. Time will tell, but this is too important a year for this stuff.

So 8th grade is an important year for a team of kids that isn't good enough to play AA? How is it important other than the kids should be having fun and getting better?

where else would you have gone to play???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The thing that really ticks us off is this all went down after tryouts and by the time there is no other option for our son but to stick it out. Time will tell, but this is too important a year for this stuff.

Well to make you feel better we played 4 seasons of NPYLL and there was never a college scout there. So the Madlax 2020 team will still be at all the correct places this summer for your son to be seen. If your team wins or loses is not a really big deal as far as being seen You need to be at the correct field playing top teams. And looking at 2020 summer schedule it is way better then 3D and Cavs. And VLC I would say is a little below with there summer line up. So HOCO would of been nice but I would still give Madlax 2020 the upper hand because of the summer line up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The thing that really ticks us off is this all went down after tryouts and by the time there is no other option for our son but to stick it out. Time will tell, but this is too important a year for this stuff.

Well to make you feel better we played 4 seasons of NPYLL and there was never a college scout there. So the Madlax 2020 team will still be at all the correct places this summer for your son to be seen. If your team wins or loses is not a really big deal as far as being seen You need to be at the correct field playing top teams. And looking at 2020 summer schedule it is way better then 3D and Cavs. And VLC I would say is a little below with there summer line up. So HOCO would of been nice but I would still give Madlax 2020 the upper hand because of the summer line up.

I agree the summer schedule for Madlax looks good, I'd like to see VLC add one more quality tournament. The 2020's have had bad luck with the NLF Event cancelled this fall and last weekend's games against Legacy and Leading Edge cancelled due to weather.

I don't think its an issue of NOVA or the Capital area (MD/DC/NOVA) having enough talent to field a top Madlax 2020 team. The fact is many of the top 2020 players either don't want to play for Madlax and/or play for other 2020 clubs. The 2018/2019 Madlax teams have a decent # of Maryland players. The Madlax Capital 2020 doesn't seem to have any of the top Maryland 2020 players who could logistically practice/play on the Madlax Capital 2020 team. Fact is many/most of these kids travel up to BL to play on the Crabs/FCA or play for other local clubs like Next Level/VLC/CB with less drama.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3d doesn't have the best teams in that grade, but they do have the best coaches. You'll never hear a 3d parent with anything unkind to say about Spencer Ford or Steven Brooks. Those guys are honest and have the best interests of the kids at heart. And those two have done more in the sport of lacrosse than all the Madlax coaches and VLC coaches added together.

Spencer is a good coach. He coaches my oldest son's Varsity High School team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think its an issue of NOVA or the Capital area (MD/DC/NOVA) having enough talent to field a top Madlax 2020 team. The fact is many of the top 2020 players either don't want to play for Madlax and/or play for other 2020 clubs. The 2018/2019 Madlax teams have a decent # of Maryland players. The Madlax Capital 2020 doesn't seem to have any of the top Maryland 2020 players who could logistically practice/play on the Madlax Capital 2020 team. Fact is many/most of these kids travel up to BL to play on the Crabs/FCA or play for other local clubs like Next Level/VLC/CB with less drama.

I think you are correct the thing that is hurting Madlax Cap. the most is the South Maryland kids are going to Next Level and FCA or other top Maryland clubs. Madlax is not getting the kids to cross the Bridge like they have in the past. So this makes my other point even more. The South Maryland kids have good to great options now. So the Nova parents need to pick a team per age group and push our best to it. If not we will never get any of our kids in the ELITE div. or top tournaments .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the Nova parents need to pick a team per age group and push our best to it. If not we will never get any of our kids in the ELITE div. or top tournaments .

You are one of the strangest dads ever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the Nova parents need to pick a team per age group and push our best to it. If not we will never get any of our kids in the ELITE div. or top tournaments .

You are one of the strangest dads ever.

What is strange about the numbers game we have here. And what is strange about working together to make a elite team at each grade for NOVA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the Nova parents need to pick a team per age group and push our best to it. If not we will never get any of our kids in the ELITE div. or top tournaments .

You are one of the strangest dads ever.

What is strange about the numbers game we have here. And what is strange about working together to make a elite team at each grade for NOVA?

You mean have a convention for lacrosse dads like the Republicans are doing and we pick a leader from Cabell, Trig or Ryan McClernan? If we do that will our sons' lacrosse teams be able to beat Hillary?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the Nova parents need to pick a team per age group and push our best to it. If not we will never get any of our kids in the ELITE div. or top tournaments .

You are one of the strangest dads ever.

What is strange about the numbers game we have here. And what is strange about working together to make a elite team at each grade for NOVA?

You mean have a convention for lacrosse dads like the Republicans are doing and we pick a leader from Cabell, Trig or Ryan McClernan? If we do that will our sons' lacrosse teams be able to beat Hillary?

Well that kinda sounds like it will work. Because those three are crazy but they are the best we got. So we should pick the best of the worst and move forward. If we do not do something like this we will be left behind at the Elite level for another 10 to 15 years.

That might be true, but the purpose of the spring season is not really to win a "championship." Sure, there are bragging rights, but it's really about playing other high-level teams in preparation from tournament season. If they can scrimmage other high-level programs in the area, then I guess it's OK for them. But most of those teams are playing HoCo and probably won't be available.

So they won't be as prepared for summer, their team won't look as good, and they won't get as much attention as they might have otherwise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the Nova parents need to pick a team per age group and push our best to it. If not we will never get any of our kids in the ELITE div. or top tournaments .

You are one of the strangest dads ever.

What is strange about the numbers game we have here. And what is strange about working together to make a elite team at each grade for NOVA?

You mean have a convention for lacrosse dads like the Republicans are doing and we pick a leader from Cabell, Trig or Ryan McClernan? If we do that will our sons' lacrosse teams be able to beat Hillary?

Well that kinda sounds like it will work. Because those three are crazy but they are the best we got. So we should pick the best of the worst and move forward. If we do not do something like this we will be left behind at the Elite level for another 10 to 15 years.

If lacrosse dads don't do this their 8th graders will be left behind, the recruiting classes will fill up before their 9th grade year ends and they will be left behind. Well, all of that is true unless this sport reforms very soon. But this is bad? This affects kids for the next 10-15 years or more? I have a son in college now go through all of this crap and he was offered about $10K-15K a year by 4-5 D1 colleges, but wound up at an academic choice where he plays without any scholarship money. I don't aim to patronize but there isn't anything life changing about a partial lacrosse scholarship and the crowds at my son's Ivy team is smaller than the crowds at some local prep games in the DMV. If everyone let this ship sail, I think you'd be amazed at how much happier your son's experience from age 12-18 will be. If he is much better later than committed kids he will get a chance. This recruiting thing will self correct in a couple years if the NCAA doesn't do it before then. Some of those coaches kids and dads ogled over when my son was going through this are about to get fired anyways.

The results from the Madlax April 3 tournament are in and its confirmed, Madlax Capital 2020 would get completely embarrassed if they played in the HOCO elite 2020 division. Both the Hawks and NL beat them soundly. VLC gave them a good game and should have won. My guess is they'd be lucky winning half their games if they have just sucked it up and played in the HOCA AA division. Will Madlax Capital 2020 play the HOCO elite teams in summer tournaments? No way. They should be in the summer tournament A divisions and will wind up playing all the same teams that are in the HOCO AA division this spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The results from the Madlax April 3 tournament are in and its confirmed, Madlax Capital 2020 would get completely embarrassed if they played in the HOCO elite 2020 division. Both the Hawks and NL beat them soundly. VLC gave them a good game and should have won. My guess is they'd be lucky winning half their games if they have just sucked it up and played in the HOCA AA division. Will Madlax Capital 2020 play the HOCO elite teams in summer tournaments? No way. They should be in the summer tournament A divisions and will wind up playing all the same teams that are in the HOCO AA division this spring.

Yes the lost by 4 and 5 goals to two teams in the Elite div. But they beat VLC by one. So lets see how VLC does in HOCO. And the 2020 team will play lots if not all the elite teams this summer. The summer schedule for them is out. And each of these 4 tournaments are top top top notch. They have summer tryouts anyone out there on these other teams should really jump on this chance. There are spots to be had on this 2020 and 2021 teams. Just do like players do all the time play this 8th grade summer with Madlax and jump to BlackWolf for the next 4 years.

Unfortunately Madlax won't be able to attract any of the better 2020 players who are already on the HOCO elite teams. Not even players from other clubs at the same level like VLC. Watching and hearing the Madlax coach berate players for mistakes isn't going to attract any new players. Only proves to parents and players that its better to be on a team with a coach willing to help them advance/learn and not just yell at them.
Madlax is going to have to re-evaluate whether they want to play in the summer tournaments against the top teams and risk getting blown out against teams better than NL and Hawks. There just not very good and are a tournament A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately Madlax won't be able to attract any of the better 2020 players who are already on the HOCO elite teams. Not even players from other clubs at the same level like VLC. Watching and hearing the Madlax coach berate players for mistakes isn't going to attract any new players. Only proves to parents and players that its better to be on a team with a coach willing to help them advance/learn and not just yell at them.
Madlax is going to have to re-evaluate whether they want to play in the summer tournaments against the top teams and risk getting blown out against teams better than NL and Hawks. There just not very good and are a tournament A team.

You are very easy to see through sir. You can say they are not Elite but to call them a A team not a AA team you are very petty. As for the coach yelling on the sideline he yells yes but I never hear him call kids names he just points out the error very clear so a young man gets it. Boys/young men respond to clear and loud instruction best. This hippie everyone gets a prize crap is whats wrong with kids today. My son gets more out of his yelling then another coach using 100 more words to make the same point. Kids check out half way through that hippie love coach talk.

Whats easy to see are the results of Madlax's own tournament speaking for the level of play by the Madlax Capital 2020 team. I'm calling them a good "A" level team for the summer tournaments, not an "AA" level team where all the other HOCO elite teams will play. Its not petty but a fact as the results speak for themselves. Madlax Capital 2020 should be playing in the HOCO AA division where there's a lot of good teams that are at a similar level.
Kids don't respond to yelling they shut down. Guess your kid is used to it. Sounds like he's right where he should be. Lucky him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately Madlax won't be able to attract any of the better 2020 players who are already on the HOCO elite teams. Not even players from other clubs at the same level like VLC. Watching and hearing the Madlax coach berate players for mistakes isn't going to attract any new players. Only proves to parents and players that its better to be on a team with a coach willing to help them advance/learn and not just yell at them.
Madlax is going to have to re-evaluate whether they want to play in the summer tournaments against the top teams and risk getting blown out against teams better than NL and Hawks. There just not very good and are a tournament A team.

You are very easy to see through sir. You can say they are not Elite but to call them a A team not a AA team you are very petty. As for the coach yelling on the sideline he yells yes but I never hear him call kids names he just points out the error very clear so a young man gets it. Boys/young men respond to clear and loud instruction best. This hippie everyone gets a prize crap is whats wrong with kids today. My son gets more out of his yelling then another coach using 100 more words to make the same point. Kids check out half way through that hippie love coach talk.

He acts a bit insane, honestly. The parents around me couldn't stop laughing, and even the guy filming the tourney was making jokes...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3d doesn't have the best teams in that grade, but they do have the best coaches. You'll never hear a 3d parent with anything unkind to say about Spencer Ford or Steven Brooks. Those guys are honest and have the best interests of the kids at heart. And those two have done more in the sport of lacrosse than all the Madlax coaches and VLC coaches added together.

As a parent of a player who, along with 4 others, was excited about 3D starting a 2020 team in the area fall of 2014, holding tryouts, then saying "we decided to bag it this year", you would have heard several of us saying unkind things...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]3d doesn't have the best teams in that grade, but they do have the best coaches. You'll never hear a 3d parent with anything unkind to say about Spencer Ford or Steven Brooks. Those guys are honest and have the best interests of the kids at heart. And those two have done more in the sport of lacrosse than all the Madlax coaches and VLC coaches added together.

If lacrosse accolades were a barometer of coaching prowess, all the professional teams would hire former HOF players. Being a great player doesn't necessarily make you a great coach.

Ask people in MD about Spencer Ford's reputation. You'll get a consistent answer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are very easy to see through sir. You can say they are not Elite but to call them a A team not a AA team you are very petty. As for the coach yelling on the sideline he yells yes but I never hear him call kids names he just points out the error very clear so a young man gets it. Boys/young men respond to clear and loud instruction best. This hippie everyone gets a prize crap is whats wrong with kids today. My son gets more out of his yelling then another coach using 100 more words to make the same point. Kids check out half way through that hippie love coach talk.

You don't get it. He is referring to "AA" as a top level and "A" as the next group down. That is how everyone in the world refers to lacrosse levels. Only Madlax created this stupid "AAA" level and now HOCO is going along with an "Elite" then "AA", etc.

In other words, the poster was just saying that Madlax 2020 is not a top tier team. God, you are really wrapped up in youth lacrosse.

Steve Brooks awesome!!!!
Spencer Ford.....not so much

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Steve Brooks awesome!!!!
Spencer Ford.....not so much

Nonsense. I've loved having Spencer Ford coach my son. I've not heard a single negative from a 3d parent. He's honest with the kdis, he is honest with the parents and he is a great coach.

Yeah, I've heard about "Spencer's reputation around Maryland" more than once. It's usually from a Ryan McClernan apologist. Spencer used to coach Crabs and the parents didn't like it when he didn't think their lacrosse sons were the most special players ever. So sad.

Brooksie and Spencer are good guys and good coaches. And considering the moral and ethical wiring of the other locals like Cabell, Trig and McClernan the local 3d guys are saints. I keep reading who would want to give their son and money to a Madlax scumbag in a Deadspin article, who would want to give their money to a serial cheater and bully at Crabs. Well, you won't read about how 3d parents should feel gross sending some money and their sons with Brooksie and Spencer from 3d parents.

The only flaw I see in Brooks is he sticks to the PVI turd. How can a prep school recruit 20+ kids a year and still be that terrible? It's really hard to do and reflects poorly on the coaching in that program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately Madlax won't be able to attract any of the better 2020 players who are already on the HOCO elite teams. Not even players from other clubs at the same level like VLC. Watching and hearing the Madlax coach berate players for mistakes isn't going to attract any new players. Only proves to parents and players that its better to be on a team with a coach willing to help them advance/learn and not just yell at them.
Madlax is going to have to re-evaluate whether they want to play in the summer tournaments against the top teams and risk getting blown out against teams better than NL and Hawks. There just not very good and are a tournament A team.

You are very easy to see through sir. You can say they are not Elite but to call them a A team not a AA team you are very petty. As for the coach yelling on the sideline he yells yes but I never hear him call kids names he just points out the error very clear so a young man gets it. Boys/young men respond to clear and loud instruction best. This hippie everyone gets a prize crap is whats wrong with kids today. My son gets more out of his yelling then another coach using 100 more words to make the same point. Kids check out half way through that hippie love coach talk.

He acts a bit insane, honestly. The parents around me couldn't stop laughing, and even the guy filming the tourney was making jokes...

Because the guy filming the tourney is actually Cabbell's brother...........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Steve Brooks awesome!!!!
Spencer Ford.....not so much

Nonsense. I've loved having Spencer Ford coach my son. I've not heard a single negative from a 3d parent. He's honest with the kdis, he is honest with the parents and he is a great coach.

Yeah, I've heard about "Spencer's reputation around Maryland" more than once. It's usually from a Ryan McClernan apologist. Spencer used to coach Crabs and the parents didn't like it when he didn't think their lacrosse sons were the most special players ever. So sad.

Brooksie and Spencer are good guys and good coaches. And considering the moral and ethical wiring of the other locals like Cabell, Trig and McClernan the local 3d guys are saints. I keep reading who would want to give their son and money to a Madlax scumbag in a Deadspin article, who would want to give their money to a serial cheater and bully at Crabs. Well, you won't read about how 3d parents should feel gross sending some money and their sons with Brooksie and Spencer from 3d parents.

Oddly enough, the OP mentioned that they "have done more" than all of the Madlax and VLC coaches together. VLC and Madlax are definitely not one an the same, and should not be compared. Langley, Bueller, and the other VLC coaches are fantastic, so I'm not sure that the OP knows all that much about youth lacrosse in this area...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Steve Brooks awesome!!!!
Spencer Ford.....not so much

Nonsense. I've loved having Spencer Ford coach my son. I've not heard a single negative from a 3d parent. He's honest with the kdis, he is honest with the parents and he is a great coach.

Yeah, I've heard about "Spencer's reputation around Maryland" more than once. It's usually from a Ryan McClernan apologist. Spencer used to coach Crabs and the parents didn't like it when he didn't think their lacrosse sons were the most special players ever. So sad.

Brooksie and Spencer are good guys and good coaches. And considering the moral and ethical wiring of the other locals like Cabell, Trig and McClernan the local 3d guys are saints. I keep reading who would want to give their son and money to a Madlax scumbag in a Deadspin article, who would want to give their money to a serial cheater and bully at Crabs. Well, you won't read about how 3d parents should feel gross sending some money and their sons with Brooksie and Spencer from 3d parents.

Oddly enough, the OP mentioned that they "have done more" than all of the Madlax and VLC coaches together. VLC and Madlax are definitely not one an the same, and should not be compared. Langley, Bueller, and the other VLC coaches are fantastic, so I'm not sure that the OP knows all that much about youth lacrosse in this area...

VLC 2020 has three new coaches Jeff Lewandowski, Chris Daddio and Ray Rice. Congrats to VLC for continuing to provide excellent coaching. I think we will see the 2020 team take off under coach Lew and his staff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Steve Brooks awesome!!!!
Spencer Ford.....not so much

Nonsense. I've loved having Spencer Ford coach my son. I've not heard a single negative from a 3d parent. He's honest with the kdis, he is honest with the parents and he is a great coach.

Yeah, I've heard about "Spencer's reputation around Maryland" more than once. It's usually from a Ryan McClernan apologist. Spencer used to coach Crabs and the parents didn't like it when he didn't think their lacrosse sons were the most special players ever. So sad.

Brooksie and Spencer are good guys and good coaches. And considering the moral and ethical wiring of the other locals like Cabell, Trig and McClernan the local 3d guys are saints. I keep reading who would want to give their son and money to a Madlax scumbag in a Deadspin article, who would want to give their money to a serial cheater and bully at Crabs. Well, you won't read about how 3d parents should feel gross sending some money and their sons with Brooksie and Spencer from 3d parents.

Not true. Ford has been pretty much fired from every coaching job he's ever had. If you've witnessed him on the sidelines, he is no role model for anyone, let alone young kids.

Brooks does have an excellent reputation, so it is surprising he sticks with the sinking ship that is 3d MidAtlantic. They tried to be a relevant program with MD kids and failed. Their cobbled effort of random Annapolis public school kids, and some Fairfax/Loudoun kids has been a disaster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Steve Brooks awesome!!!!
Spencer Ford.....not so much

Nonsense. I've loved having Spencer Ford coach my son. I've not heard a single negative from a 3d parent. He's honest with the kdis, he is honest with the parents and he is a great coach.

Yeah, I've heard about "Spencer's reputation around Maryland" more than once. It's usually from a Ryan McClernan apologist. Spencer used to coach Crabs and the parents didn't like it when he didn't think their lacrosse sons were the most special players ever. So sad.

Brooksie and Spencer are good guys and good coaches. And considering the moral and ethical wiring of the other locals like Cabell, Trig and McClernan the local 3d guys are saints. I keep reading who would want to give their son and money to a Madlax scumbag in a Deadspin article, who would want to give their money to a serial cheater and bully at Crabs. Well, you won't read about how 3d parents should feel gross sending some money and their sons with Brooksie and Spencer from 3d parents.

Not true. Ford has been pretty much fired from every coaching job he's ever had. If you've witnessed him on the sidelines, he is no role model for anyone, let alone young kids.

Brooks does have an excellent reputation, so it is surprising he sticks with the sinking ship that is 3d MidAtlantic. They tried to be a relevant program with MD kids and failed. Their cobbled effort of random Annapolis public school kids, and some Fairfax/Loudoun kids has been a disaster.

Building a great club takes some time. Slapping 3D on Fuze kids will not turn them into champions overnight. It sounds like 3D is doing great things with the 2022s and can build from there. They can't give out a lot of scholarships or the investors won't see the return they want.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Steve Brooks awesome!!!!
Spencer Ford.....not so much

Nonsense. I've loved having Spencer Ford coach my son. I've not heard a single negative from a 3d parent. He's honest with the kdis, he is honest with the parents and he is a great coach.

Yeah, I've heard about "Spencer's reputation around Maryland" more than once. It's usually from a Ryan McClernan apologist. Spencer used to coach Crabs and the parents didn't like it when he didn't think their lacrosse sons were the most special players ever. So sad.

Brooksie and Spencer are good guys and good coaches. And considering the moral and ethical wiring of the other locals like Cabell, Trig and McClernan the local 3d guys are saints. I keep reading who would want to give their son and money to a Madlax scumbag in a Deadspin article, who would want to give their money to a serial cheater and bully at Crabs. Well, you won't read about how 3d parents should feel gross sending some money and their sons with Brooksie and Spencer from 3d parents.

Not true. Ford has been pretty much fired from every coaching job he's ever had. If you've witnessed him on the sidelines, he is no role model for anyone, let alone young kids.

Brooks does have an excellent reputation, so it is surprising he sticks with the sinking ship that is 3d MidAtlantic. They tried to be a relevant program with MD kids and failed. Their cobbled effort of random Annapolis public school kids, and some Fairfax/Loudoun kids has been a disaster.

Building a great club takes some time. Slapping 3D on Fuze kids will not turn them into champions overnight. It sounds like 3D is doing great things with the 2022s and can build from there. They can't give out a lot of scholarships or the investors won't see the return they want.

So lets throw the Cavs in this mix as we talk about other clubs. Heck throw Battle Lax in the mix also. Because everyone jumping around trying to find the next new good club works so well. Or you should just go to one of three proven teams and hope for the best.

3D 2021's are now a legit A team. That's not AA (but there are only, what, 15 or so legit AA teams in the country at that age?), but they seem pretty equal at this point. Appear well coached.

Madlax 2022's are good. The fact 3D 2022's beat them in Fall is a good sign.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D 2021's are now a legit A team. That's not AA (but there are only, what, 15 or so legit AA teams in the country at that age?), but they seem pretty equal at this point. Appear well coached.

Madlax 2022's are good. The fact 3D 2022's beat them in Fall is a good sign.

I could of guessed they had a good 2021 team because Madlax has a avg to bad 2021 team. So that makes sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I could of guessed they had a good 2021 team because Madlax has a avg to bad 2021 team. So that makes sense.

I could have guess you would have written, "I could of".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Steve Brooks awesome!!!!
Spencer Ford.....not so much

Nonsense. I've loved having Spencer Ford coach my son. I've not heard a single negative from a 3d parent. He's honest with the kdis, he is honest with the parents and he is a great coach.

Yeah, I've heard about "Spencer's reputation around Maryland" more than once. It's usually from a Ryan McClernan apologist. Spencer used to coach Crabs and the parents didn't like it when he didn't think their lacrosse sons were the most special players ever. So sad.

Brooksie and Spencer are good guys and good coaches. And considering the moral and ethical wiring of the other locals like Cabell, Trig and McClernan the local 3d guys are saints. I keep reading who would want to give their son and money to a Madlax scumbag in a Deadspin article, who would want to give their money to a serial cheater and bully at Crabs. Well, you won't read about how 3d parents should feel gross sending some money and their sons with Brooksie and Spencer from 3d parents.

Not true. Ford has been pretty much fired from every coaching job he's ever had. If you've witnessed him on the sidelines, he is no role model for anyone, let alone young kids.

Brooks does have an excellent reputation, so it is surprising he sticks with the sinking ship that is 3d MidAtlantic. They tried to be a relevant program with MD kids and failed. Their cobbled effort of random Annapolis public school kids, and some Fairfax/Loudoun kids has been a disaster.

3D has some good youth teams. They're also doing girls teams with success, something the other local clubs have not done at all. By the time kids are into high school club lacrosse matters less. The youth teams instruction is more important. I do see the point in these posts about PVI. If you want to call something a disaster that would apply to PVI. Seems like they are always up to 40 college commits yet none of the kids can play at a high level and they can't compete with top teams.

Let's see what 3d can do. They started with 2016, and their 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 teams have been terrible.

I've heard the 2022s are good, no idea about the 2021s. The high price of 3d hurts them, for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's see what 3d can do. They started with 2016, and their 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 teams have been terrible.

I've heard the 2022s are good, no idea about the 2021s. The high price of 3d hurts them, for sure.

what is the cost all-in for the year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's see what 3d can do. They started with 2016, and their 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 teams have been terrible.

I've heard the 2022s are good, no idea about the 2021s. The high price of 3d hurts them, for sure.

what is the cost all-in for the year?

The same as Madlax when you add it all up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's see what 3d can do. They started with 2016, and their 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 teams have been terrible.

I've heard the 2022s are good, no idea about the 2021s. The high price of 3d hurts them, for sure.

what is the cost all-in for the year?

The same as Madlax when you add it all up.

In other words, way too much.

Complete lie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only flaw I see in Brooks is he sticks to the PVI turd. How can a prep school recruit 20+ kids a year and still be that terrible? It's really hard to do and reflects poorly on the coaching in that program.

Oh that's right, making it to the WCAC championship is terrible.

Losing to SJC last week - ouch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only flaw I see in Brooks is he sticks to the PVI turd. How can a prep school recruit 20+ kids a year and still be that terrible? It's really hard to do and reflects poorly on the coaching in that program.

Oh that's right, making it to the WCAC championship is terrible.

After Gonzaga there isn't a good team in the league and some of the teams are terrible. Making it to the WCAC championship by beating Bishop Ireton or SJC is what it is...a win against a very weak opponent. Remind us of the recent wins against Gonzaga again.

At some point, you have to blame the PVI coaching. Or lack thereof.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At some point, you have to blame the PVI coaching. Or lack thereof.

Gonzaga is double the size, has a much bigger senior class, and is littered with holdbacks, so it's not quite a far comparison. Furthermore, the last time pvi played them it was 7 - 6 late into the 4th. Not saying they are a top 25 team, but definitely not terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At some point, you have to blame the PVI coaching. Or lack thereof.

Gonzaga is double the size, has a much bigger senior class, and is littered with holdbacks, so it's not quite a far comparison. Furthermore, the last time pvi played them it was 7 - 6 late into the 4th. Not saying they are a top 25 team, but definitely not terrible.

PVI has how many D1 verbals on this years team? -- Ok now that you have answered this question. What should the record be for the next let's say 3 years?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At some point, you have to blame the PVI coaching. Or lack thereof.

Gonzaga is double the size, has a much bigger senior class, and is littered with holdbacks, so it's not quite a far comparison. Furthermore, the last time pvi played them it was 7 - 6 late into the 4th. Not saying they are a top 25 team, but definitely not terrible.

PVI has how many D1 verbals on this years team? -- Ok now that you have answered this question. What should the record be for the next let's say 3 years?

Says the uninformed, lax-dad, wannabe who only looks at one factor - the number of commits. You are a moron.

No doubt PVI has under performed. They certainly are not terrible. They have some good wins. Some of their higher profile commits are young. The attackman committed to Hopkins is a freshman. On the other hand Gonzaga has several freshman committed to top schools. It will be interesting to see what the 2020 classes look like.

One of Gonzaga's seniors was the second earliest verbal in history for his class. At that time it was winter of 9th grade. He's likely the 5th best middie on his high school team, granted Gonzaga is a top prep team. If he makes All Met it would need to be a political thing because lacrosse on the field won't do it. That's not unusual. Many earliest recruits, including a few at PVI, get passed by on their teams and by the players on their rival teams. Counting early commits up to grade a program is dumb.

What does this have to do with Madlax?

Their 2020 team drops out because they can't admit they are a mediocre team. Meanwhile, their 2021 team has been outscored by the Crabs and Club Blue 24-2.

Great time to be Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does this have to do with Madlax?

Their 2020 team drops out because they can't admit they are a mediocre team. Meanwhile, their 2021 team has been outscored by the Crabs and Club Blue 24-2.

Great time to be Madlax.

Settle down. You can resume your petty madlax bashing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does this have to do with Madlax?

Their 2020 team drops out because they can't admit they are a mediocre team. Meanwhile, their 2021 team has been outscored by the Crabs and Club Blue 24-2.

Great time to be Madlax.

Settle down. You can resume your petty madlax bashing.

We can agree that 2020 and 2021 are down classes for Madlax. But can you name a NOVA team in those classes that is playing at a high to elite level. Those two classes are down years for the NOVA area. Please show me how I am wrong about this.

Madlax 2020
not playing this spring

Madlax 2021
0-2. Outscored 24-2

Madlax 2022
0-2. Outscored 22-14

Madlax 2023
1-1. Outscored 16-14

Madlax 2024
2-0. Outscoring 18-13

Overall: 3-5. Outscored 75-48

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020
not playing this spring

Madlax 2021
0-2. Outscored 24-2

Madlax 2022
0-2. Outscored 22-14

Madlax 2023
1-1. Outscored 16-14

Madlax 2024
2-0. Outscoring 18-13

Overall: 3-5. Outscored 75-48

Ok got it but Please put the level of play and club with scores for any of the other NOVA clubs then we can compare.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020
not playing this spring

Madlax 2021
0-2. Outscored 24-2

Madlax 2022
0-2. Outscored 22-14

Madlax 2023
1-1. Outscored 16-14

Madlax 2024
2-0. Outscoring 18-13

Overall: 3-5. Outscored 75-48

Ok got it but Please put the level of play and club with scores for any of the other NOVA clubs then we can compare.

3D has a 2022 team competing at the top level and that is it. They are also 0-2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020
not playing this spring

Madlax 2021
0-2. Outscored 24-2

Madlax 2022
0-2. Outscored 22-14

Madlax 2023
1-1. Outscored 16-14

Madlax 2024
2-0. Outscoring 18-13

Overall: 3-5. Outscored 75-48

Ok got it but Please put the level of play and club with scores for any of the other NOVA clubs then we can compare.

3D has a 2022 team competing at the top level and that is it. They are also 0-2.

Ok so my point that NOVA has a talent problem not a bad Madlax problem. Please prove me wrong. I am guessing the Dads will wise up and move there kids to Madlax soon. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020
not playing this spring

Madlax 2021
0-2. Outscored 24-2

Madlax 2022
0-2. Outscored 22-14

Madlax 2023
1-1. Outscored 16-14

Madlax 2024
2-0. Outscoring 18-13

Overall: 3-5. Outscored 75-48

Ok got it but Please put the level of play and club with scores for any of the other NOVA clubs then we can compare.

3D has a 2022 team competing at the top level and that is it. They are also 0-2.

Ok so my point that NOVA has a talent problem not a bad Madlax problem. Please prove me wrong. I am guessing the Dads will wise up and move there kids to Madlax soon. LOL

Don't hold your breath.... At this point, 8th grade, I'm betting the ones that aren't there don't want to be.

While Madlax had lesser HS teams than the other two, they had a grip on the youth market. Based on what's been written here about their 2020 and 2021 teams, it sounds like that grip is slipping.

There are better alternatives out there and I guess more families realize Madlax is not the only game in town for youth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While Madlax had lesser HS teams than the other two, they had a grip on the youth market. Based on what's been written here about their 2020 and 2021 teams, it sounds like that grip is slipping.

There are better alternatives out there and I guess more families realize Madlax is not the only game in town for youth.

No that is my point the other two have bad to avg youth teams also. So its a NOVA youth Talent level not the club or clubs. Or is its the clubs fault for not making the kids better players?

Madlax 2024 has a teenager on the team!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2024 has a teenager on the team!

Sweet at least we know this years team will be winning some games. I really wish the 2020 and 2021 team could get some more reclassed kids. We need the help at those ages.

So the Madlax 2020 parents are just paying full price for practices only? LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the Madlax 2020 parents are just paying full price for practices only? LOL.

They are playing next level , Loonies, West Coast stars, and one other team and playing HHH and another team in a play day. So they are missing out on 2 maybe less games compared to the HOCO guys. Not perfect but no where near a total lose of a spring

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the Madlax 2020 parents are just paying full price for practices only? LOL.

They are playing next level , Loonies, West Coast stars, and one other team and playing HHH and another team in a play day. So they are missing out on 2 maybe less games compared to the HOCO guys. Not perfect but no where near a total lose of a spring

You do realize that the other teams play scrimmages outside of HOCO also?

General question - Is it better to be a backup on a top tier team like Madlax / BLC / Blackwolf and play only when leading by a lot? Or playing more on a second tier team like Next Level / Cav Lax but starting?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question - Is it better to be a backup on a top tier team like Madlax / BLC / Blackwolf and play only when leading by a lot? Or playing more on a second tier team like Next Level / Cav Lax but starting?

Depends on the quality of the coach and number and quality of practices.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question - Is it better to be a backup on a top tier team like Madlax / BLC / Blackwolf and play only when leading by a lot? Or playing more on a second tier team like Next Level / Cav Lax but starting?

Depends on the quality of the coach and number and quality of practices.

It depends on what year your kid is because most of those 2nd tier teams play in crap money grab tournaments in the 8th to 11 th grade range. So it's better to play less but on the correct field/ tournament. Works the same as if you play on the same high school team as the number 1 rated QB in the country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the Madlax 2020 parents are just paying full price for practices only? LOL.

They are playing next level , Loonies, West Coast stars, and one other team and playing HHH and another team in a play day. So they are missing out on 2 maybe less games compared to the HOCO guys. Not perfect but no where near a total lose of a spring

You do realize that the other teams play scrimmages outside of HOCO also?

I agree it's not great but not a total waste of spring. And I hear all you guys complaining about the lack of practice and how club ball needs to focus more on practice.

Madlax 2020 parents here. We are not pleased and are not alone. Not what was represented to us when we paid our fee.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 parents here. We are not pleased and are not alone. Not what was represented to us when we paid our fee.

Well if you parents had done a better job of recruiting the best 2020 kids to come and play for Madlax like the 2018 and 2019 parents did you would have a better team and be playing in the Elite bracket. There are kids on these crappy 2020 teams you need to go to the parents of these kids and get them to play for Madlax. If you do not want to do this, deal with the team you have.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 parents here. We are not pleased and are not alone. Not what was represented to us when we paid our fee.

And if you find a player that is really good I know for a fact Madlax leaders will reduce the fee for this kid. So get out there and recruit or shut up and stop crying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 parents here. We are not pleased and are not alone. Not what was represented to us when we paid our fee.

Well if you parents had done a better job of recruiting the best 2020 kids to come and play for Madlax like the 2018 and 2019 parents did you would have a better team and be playing in the Elite bracket. There are kids on these crappy 2020 teams you need to go to the parents of these kids and get them to play for Madlax. If you do not want to do this, deal with the team you have.

Don't you get tired of posting the same thing day after day?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 parents here. We are not pleased and are not alone. Not what was represented to us when we paid our fee.

Well if you parents had done a better job of recruiting the best 2020 kids to come and play for Madlax like the 2018 and 2019 parents did you would have a better team and be playing in the Elite bracket. There are kids on these crappy 2020 teams you need to go to the parents of these kids and get them to play for Madlax. If you do not want to do this, deal with the team you have.

Well I will stop when it stops being true. Everyone knows its the other parents that recruit the better kids to come play for their clubs. So yes Madlax dropped the ball with 2020 this spring, all I am asking is what 2020 club is any good in NOVA and I am asking the parents what have you done to get better players to play for Madlax 2020 team. Its a bad age for NOVA sorry but true. You all have to take it into your own hands and fix it or just shut up and wait for high school ball.

Don't you get tired of posting the same thing day after day?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 parents here. We are not pleased and are not alone. Not what was represented to us when we paid our fee.

Well if you parents had done a better job of recruiting the best 2020 kids to come and play for Madlax like the 2018 and 2019 parents did you would have a better team and be playing in the Elite bracket. There are kids on these crappy 2020 teams you need to go to the parents of these kids and get them to play for Madlax. If you do not want to do this, deal with the team you have.

Well I will stop when it stops being true. Everyone knows its the other parents that recruit the better kids to come play for their clubs. So yes Madlax dropped the ball with 2020 this spring, all I am asking is what 2020 club is any good in NOVA and I am asking the parents what have you done to get better players to play for Madlax 2020 team. Its a bad age for NOVA sorry but true. You all have to take it into your own hands and fix it or just shut up and wait for high school ball.

Don't you get tired of posting the same thing day after day?

No it only take a couple minutes. I am still waiting for a real answer to the problem.

Go play in Maryland!

There is no area wide problem. Madlax is just seeing now that the top kids are not automatically going to them any more. That happened years ago in HS and they are seeing it at the youth level.

Let me share this. At the tryout for a previous fall season, Madlax had the opportunity to have two of the better players in the area. The owner decided not to attend that tryout. I personally tried to talk to the person that he left in charge about trying to 'schmooze' with the players and make a good impression. He stayed in the tent and blew it off.

Those two players went elsewhere and will not return. The head of Madlax reached out to one of the players a few months later but it was too late.

I do not blame the remaining parents - what is their incentive for recruiting? There is at least one person who should have been marketing his program. I can guarantee that these two players would have made an impact on the current team and possibly helped recruit additional players.

There is your answer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 parents here. We are not pleased and are not alone. Not what was represented to us when we paid our fee.

Well if you parents had done a better job of recruiting the best 2020 kids to come and play for Madlax like the 2018 and 2019 parents did you would have a better team and be playing in the Elite bracket. There are kids on these crappy 2020 teams you need to go to the parents of these kids and get them to play for Madlax. If you do not want to do this, deal with the team you have.

Well I will stop when it stops being true. Everyone knows its the other parents that recruit the better kids to come play for their clubs. So yes Madlax dropped the ball with 2020 this spring, all I am asking is what 2020 club is any good in NOVA and I am asking the parents what have you done to get better players to play for Madlax 2020 team. Its a bad age for NOVA sorry but true. You all have to take it into your own hands and fix it or just shut up and wait for high school ball.

Don't you get tired of posting the same thing day after day?

No it only take a couple minutes. I am still waiting for a real answer to the problem.

LOL. The real answer to the problem is look in the mirror. You posting this b.s. that kids should join Madlax won't convince anyone. It isn't the parents job to go recruit kids; the club, the coaches and their level of play and competition should take care of that. If you want to whine at anyone, take it to Maddux. He is a MATERIAL REASON why kids don't play for Madlax, for the simple fact that parents know his character and M.O.

I've seen the level of talent on the field, know several of the parents/kids, and won't be surprised come Fall you see a talent drain. Spin however you want, not playing in HoCo was purely driven by ego and how Maddux wants to position his 2020 club as "elite" when it is obvious they've still got work to do to reach that level.

But keep banging the Madlax drum; good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go play in Maryland!

I think this is the answer some are trying/doing. You see the the sweetlax team 2019 has 2 or 3 VA kids on the roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me share this. At the tryout for a previous fall season, Madlax had the opportunity to have two of the better players in the area. The owner decided not to attend that tryout. I personally tried to talk to the person that he left in charge about trying to 'schmooze' with the players and make a good impression. He stayed in the tent and blew it off.

Those two players went elsewhere and will not return. The head of Madlax reached out to one of the players a few months later but it was too late.

I do not blame the remaining parents - what is their incentive for recruiting? There is at least one person who should have been marketing his program. I can guarantee that these two players would have made an impact on the current team and possibly helped recruit additional players.

There is your answer.

Ok this is a real answer and I can believe this is true. I can see our owner dropping the ball and not reaching out.

As for the other answer I do think it is a overall problem in talent. The best talent is not in NOVA or it is to spread out in VA. I think both or one of these is 100% true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go play in Maryland!

I think this is the answer some are trying/doing. You see the the sweetlax team 2019 has 2 or 3 VA kids on the roster.

All of those boys are committed to top D1 programs too. There are a few very talented VA 2020 boys playing up on Blackwolf 2019 as well.

Cavalier is nowhere near nl, next levels 2020 b team almost beat cavs top team

is blackwolf going to field a 2020 team this summer even though 3d has bought them

That's a good question, the 3D thing is news to me. Will Trig stay on? Probably depends on that. Then there is the cost of 3d. Maybe VLC will benefit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

is blackwolf going to field a 2020 team this summer even though 3d has bought them

When did this happen?

I doubt that's true. No tweet.

those parents of the 2020 kids playing at Black wolf 2019 are crazy. Watch out for them they will stab you in the back. One is riding the coat tail of the others. They have switched so many teams because they think their little Johnny is the best. True laugh.

The parents who give their money to Madlax are the crazy ones. Not only are they paying 50% more, they are not getting better results than the parents at BW and VLC.

Way to teach your sons what's right and wrong. And when you eventually leave, you'll be just another "ungrateful quitter".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The parents who give their money to Madlax are the crazy ones. Not only are they paying 50% more, they are not getting better results than the parents at BW and VLC.

Way to teach your sons what's right and wrong. And when you eventually leave, you'll be just another "ungrateful quitter".

Tell BW to make some more teams and have tryouts Pretentious pricks.

BW and VLC don't field multiple teams for a reason. Everyone knows that nearly every "B' team is just a money maker and those kids/families have terrible experiences.

Kind of funny hearing a supporter of the Madlax owner calling someone else a "[lacrosse]".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. The real answer to the problem is look in the mirror. You posting this b.s. that kids should join Madlax won't convince anyone. It isn't the parents job to go recruit kids; the club, the coaches and their level of play and competition should take care of that. If you want to whine at anyone, take it to Maddux. He is a MATERIAL REASON why kids don't play for Madlax, for the simple fact that parents know his character and M.O.

I've seen the level of talent on the field, know several of the parents/kids, and won't be surprised come Fall you see a talent drain. Spin however you want, not playing in HoCo was purely driven by ego and how Maddux wants to position his 2020 club as "elite" when it is obvious they've still got work to do to reach that level.

But keep banging the Madlax drum; good luck.

Perhaps madlax felt playing teams that are of questionable quality won't make the kids better, and that scheduling scrimmages against better teams is a wiser choice.

Loonies just played Madlax in college park. madlax has some work to do.
Very nice parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Loonies just played Madlax in college park. madlax has some work to do.
Very nice parents.

I heard from a friend that Looney's won 16-2 so I would think Madlax has some work to do or they didn't bring their strongest 2020 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Loonies just played Madlax in college park. madlax has some work to do.
Very nice parents.

I heard from a friend that Looney's won 16-2 so I would think Madlax has some work to do or they didn't bring their strongest 2020 team.

Madlax 2020 is fully aware they have work to do. So unless some top talent shows up at summer tryouts. They are working hard to make these players better. And even with this team losing more then any Madlax person would like, those boys will still be playing in the best 4 Summer tournaments around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Loonies just played Madlax in college park. madlax has some work to do.
Very nice parents.

I heard from a friend that Looney's won 16-2 so I would think Madlax has some work to do or they didn't bring their strongest 2020 team.

Madlax 2020 is fully aware they have work to do. So unless some top talent shows up at summer tryouts. They are working hard to make these players better. And even with this team losing more then any Madlax person would like, those boys will still be playing in the best 4 Summer tournaments around.

Wow. You truly say the same things over and over again. Other clubs play in elite tournaments, too, and there are other clubs that do a better job with recruiting.

16-2? What a beatdown.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Loonies just played Madlax in college park. madlax has some work to do.
Very nice parents.

I heard from a friend that Looney's won 16-2 so I would think Madlax has some work to do or they didn't bring their strongest 2020 team.

Madlax 2020 is fully aware they have work to do. So unless some top talent shows up at summer tryouts. They are working hard to make these players better. And even with this team losing more then any Madlax person would like, those boys will still be playing in the best 4 Summer tournaments around.

They will play in them, and they will (continue to) get wrecked at them. They are a B team at best - accept it for what it is and work through it...

Wheres that guy that keeps saying Madlax has the best 2020 team? lol 16-2

As a parent I am Mad that my kid plays Lax for this horrible team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent I am Mad that my kid plays Lax for this horrible team

Ok and I will say it again where is this magical so much better of a option for NOVA 2020 kids to play for. Name the team and club by name. And I will show or tell you how this other team is a lesser option or a equal option. Unless for the 100000 time kids and their parents work it out and move all to one team. And like I have said before VLC or Black wolf could be this option. If and a big IF all the top kids all go there. If not it will be the same. My opinion is Madlax 2020 is still the best of the three options. And yes this option still is getting there [lacrosse] kicked by the elite teams. But so are VLC,and Blackwolf does not have a team playing 2020 this spring. So when you say Madlax 2020 sucks feel free but also name a team that is a better option. And please try to prove to me that the complete 2020 class in NOVA is not down. Because it is or the top talent is playing in MD and I am unaware.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Loonies just played Madlax in college park. madlax has some work to do.
Very nice parents.

I heard from a friend that Looney's won 16-2 so I would think Madlax has some work to do or they didn't bring their strongest 2020 team.

Madlax 2020 is fully aware they have work to do. So unless some top talent shows up at summer tryouts. They are working hard to make these players better. And even with this team losing more then any Madlax person would like, those boys will still be playing in the best 4 Summer tournaments around.

They will play in them, and they will (continue to) get wrecked at them. They are a B team at best - accept it for what it is and work through it...

That is what I said they are doing. And Madlax has summer tryouts for every team always have. So the Madlax world is asking and hoping for 2020 talent to come play with us this summer. And the selling point is and should always be, you will not be playing at Joke money only grab tournaments. There will be college scouts there and they will see your 2020 son play. And yes they might lose by 10 goals but the college scout does not care about the score of the game.

Very pleased with VLC 2020 this Spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very pleased with VLC 2020 this Spring.

Ok VLC is playing the AA bracket in HOCO correct. What is there record? Would you call them elite? Is this VLC 2020 team better or as good or worse then the Madlax 2020 team? Now please name the 4 summer tournaments this VLC team will play in this summer. I am guessing they will stack up to as even or a little below when we write it all down. So for either of these teams to win more then they lose this summer the best 5 players from one of them needs to switch teams. And sense VLC only has the one tryout the only option is for kid to move to Madlax for the summer. Or everyone stays put and this is fine but we will both have long summers when it coming to winning ball games. Also has anyone got an answer on if Blackwolf will have a 2020 team this summer. If so this could be a option for NOVA to have an Elite 2020 this summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very pleased with VLC 2020 this Spring.

Ok VLC is playing the AA bracket in HOCO correct. What is there record? Would you call them elite? Is this VLC 2020 team better or as good or worse then the Madlax 2020 team? Now please name the 4 summer tournaments this VLC team will play in this summer. I am guessing they will stack up to as even or a little below when we write it all down. So for either of these teams to win more then they lose this summer the best 5 players from one of them needs to switch teams. And sense VLC only has the one tryout the only option is for kid to move to Madlax for the summer. Or everyone stays put and this is fine but we will both have long summers when it coming to winning ball games. Also has anyone got an answer on if Blackwolf will have a 2020 team this summer. If so this could be a option for NOVA to have an Elite 2020 this summer?

Madlax 2020 summer schedule Feel free to stack it up to VLC and the 3 tournaments they are playing in
Adrenaline Platinum Cup
June 18-19, 2016 Big 4 HHH
June 25-26, 2016 The Crab Feast
July 11-13, 2016 Naptown National Challenge
July 23-24, 2016 UMD Terps Young Guns Showcase

Not a competition, just stating pleased with VLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a competition, just stating pleased with VLC.

I am glad you are happy with VLC, I was more pointing to the guys bashing Madlax as a bad club and team. I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure. I just hate to see the elite players on those other 4 or 5 NOVA clubs missing the chance to play on the same field as the best in there class nation wide.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very pleased with VLC 2020 this Spring.

Ok VLC is playing the AA bracket in HOCO correct. What is there record? Would you call them elite? Is this VLC 2020 team better or as good or worse then the Madlax 2020 team? Now please name the 4 summer tournaments this VLC team will play in this summer. I am guessing they will stack up to as even or a little below when we write it all down. So for either of these teams to win more then they lose this summer the best 5 players from one of them needs to switch teams. And sense VLC only has the one tryout the only option is for kid to move to Madlax for the summer. Or everyone stays put and this is fine but we will both have long summers when it coming to winning ball games. Also has anyone got an answer on if Blackwolf will have a 2020 team this summer. If so this could be a option for NOVA to have an Elite 2020 this summer?

Madlax 2020 summer schedule Feel free to stack it up to VLC and the 3 tournaments they are playing in
Adrenaline Platinum Cup
June 18-19, 2016 Big 4 HHH
June 25-26, 2016 The Crab Feast
July 11-13, 2016 Naptown National Challenge
July 23-24, 2016 UMD Terps Young Guns Showcase

VLC 2020's schedule and record are posted on their website.
6/18 Summer Exposure
6/25 Crab Feast
7/16 NLF Summer Championship

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a competition, just stating pleased with VLC.

I am glad you are happy with VLC, I was more pointing to the guys bashing Madlax as a bad club and team. I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure. I just hate to see the elite players on those other 4 or 5 NOVA clubs missing the chance to play on the same field as the best in there class nation wide.

I think many would argue that the owner stuff is not overblown at all. It's reason enough for me to keep the organization at an arm's length.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a competition, just stating pleased with VLC.

I am glad you are happy with VLC, I was more pointing to the guys bashing Madlax as a bad club and team. I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure. I just hate to see the elite players on those other 4 or 5 NOVA clubs missing the chance to play on the same field as the best in there class nation wide.

I think many would argue that the owner stuff is not overblown at all. It's reason enough for me to keep the organization at an arm's length.

And you my friend are one delusional about how great these other owners are. All these guys are crazy in their own way. I will argue that all the other guys involved with Madlax are the best group in Va. 99% of all the people talking bad about Madlax and the owner are parents of kids cut or who lost playing time to a better player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a competition, just stating pleased with VLC.

I am glad you are happy with VLC, I was more pointing to the guys bashing Madlax as a bad club and team. I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure. I just hate to see the elite players on those other 4 or 5 NOVA clubs missing the chance to play on the same field as the best in there class nation wide.

I think many would argue that the owner stuff is not overblown at all. It's reason enough for me to keep the organization at an arm's length.

And you my friend are one delusional about how great these other owners are. All these guys are crazy in their own way. I will argue that all the other guys involved with Madlax are the best group in Va. 99% of all the people talking bad about Madlax and the owner are parents of kids cut or who lost playing time to a better player.

Who gets cut from Madlax these days? Certainly not any 2020 or 2021 kids. Maybe Madlax is cutting the good kids and that's why their teams are struggling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a competition, just stating pleased with VLC.

I am glad you are happy with VLC, I was more pointing to the guys bashing Madlax as a bad club and team. I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure. I just hate to see the elite players on those other 4 or 5 NOVA clubs missing the chance to play on the same field as the best in there class nation wide.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. As a VLC parent, here is my take ...

Maddux runs a BUSINESS, and any parent looking at Madlax needs to understand he will put the BUSINESS ahead of anything else. Case in point - HoCo. He knows, his assistants know, every coach in HoCo or any parent who has actually played high level lacrosse knows 2020 is simply not Elite level talent. That isn't to say they can't get there; but right now they are AA talent. Period. End of story.

Given that Maddux runs his clubs as a business; he's worry about brand perception. So his choice was to not play HoCo for the simple fact that they would not get grouped in the Elite bracket. There was no consideration for the kids, parents or anything else. It was a business decision. You can spin it with play dates vs. competition, etc. etc. -- but don't lose sight that what drove that decision was in the best interest of Madlax, and nobody else.

Contrast that to VLC. VLC is a non profit organization, only carries one team per age group. The 2020 boys play in the AA division, where they should rightfully be playing. There is no pretense of we should be Elite, etc. etc. - the coaches know it, the players know it and the parents know it. They laid out a plan for growth ... the team is fairly new, limited practices/reps and new coach. The plan then would be to gel as a team, learn the new system of the new coach and get in as much quality competition/practice as possible. This not only includes playing HoCo AA, but increased practice time and outside scrimmages as well (example, this past weekend was vs. Leading Edge and Crabs). This is about the KIDS getting better as a TEAM and learning to play lacrosse. This all builds up to summer, where the team hopes to be playing at an "Elite" caliber level.

My opinion is Madlax did a disservice to the parents and kids on their 2020 team. If they follow the model of we only play "Elite" level competition cause we are too, parents/kids will be in for long days and a miserable summer (e.g. Looney's play day this past weekend - what did the kids learn from that?). Take those miserable moments and add in costs, and the calculus is fairly simple. Parents will get frustrated and kids will look for greener pastures. I know VLC lost some kids to Madlax this spring; won't be surprised at all if those kids try and come back. I have no doubt VLC tryouts this Fall will probably bring in even more kids this year; as eyes have been opened for the local NoVA clubs since everyone is playing in HoCo save Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a competition, just stating pleased with VLC.

I am glad you are happy with VLC, I was more pointing to the guys bashing Madlax as a bad club and team. I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure. I just hate to see the elite players on those other 4 or 5 NOVA clubs missing the chance to play on the same field as the best in there class nation wide.

I think many would argue that the owner stuff is not overblown at all. It's reason enough for me to keep the organization at an arm's length.

And you my friend are one delusional about how great these other owners are. All these guys are crazy in their own way. I will argue that all the other guys involved with Madlax are the best group in Va. 99% of all the people talking bad about Madlax and the owner are parents of kids cut or who lost playing time to a better player.

Who gets cut from Madlax these days? Certainly not any 2020 or 2021 kids. Maybe Madlax is cutting the good kids and that's why their teams are struggling.

LMAO!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a competition, just stating pleased with VLC.

I am glad you are happy with VLC, I was more pointing to the guys bashing Madlax as a bad club and team. I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure. I just hate to see the elite players on those other 4 or 5 NOVA clubs missing the chance to play on the same field as the best in there class nation wide.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. As a VLC parent, here is my take ...

Maddux runs a BUSINESS, and any parent looking at Madlax needs to understand he will put the BUSINESS ahead of anything else. Case in point - HoCo. He knows, his assistants know, every coach in HoCo or any parent who has actually played high level lacrosse knows 2020 is simply not Elite level talent. That isn't to say they can't get there; but right now they are AA talent. Period. End of story.

Given that Maddux runs his clubs as a business; he's worry about brand perception. So his choice was to not play HoCo for the simple fact that they would not get grouped in the Elite bracket. There was no consideration for the kids, parents or anything else. It was a business decision. You can spin it with play dates vs. competition, etc. etc. -- but don't lose sight that what drove that decision was in the best interest of Madlax, and nobody else.

Contrast that to VLC. VLC is a non profit organization, only carries one team per age group. The 2020 boys play in the AA division, where they should rightfully be playing. There is no pretense of we should be Elite, etc. etc. - the coaches know it, the players know it and the parents know it. They laid out a plan for growth ... the team is fairly new, limited practices/reps and new coach. The plan then would be to gel as a team, learn the new system of the new coach and get in as much quality competition/practice as possible. This not only includes playing HoCo AA, but increased practice time and outside scrimmages as well (example, this past weekend was vs. Leading Edge and Crabs). This is about the KIDS getting better as a TEAM and learning to play lacrosse. This all builds up to summer, where the team hopes to be playing at an "Elite" caliber level.

My opinion is Madlax did a disservice to the parents and kids on their 2020 team. If they follow the model of we only play "Elite" level competition cause we are too, parents/kids will be in for long days and a miserable summer (e.g. Looney's play day this past weekend - what did the kids learn from that?). Take those miserable moments and add in costs, and the calculus is fairly simple. Parents will get frustrated and kids will look for greener pastures. I know VLC lost some kids to Madlax this spring; won't be surprised at all if those kids try and come back. I have no doubt VLC tryouts this Fall will probably bring in even more kids this year; as eyes have been opened for the local NoVA clubs since everyone is playing in HoCo save Madlax.

I can not argue with any part of this post. You are 100% correct with what you say. I am not happy with what the owner did with 2020. As I stated 100 times the talent is not there or to spread out. And I do not think Madlax was prepared to have the top team not get the top talent or for the top talent to not be available.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a competition, just stating pleased with VLC.

I am glad you are happy with VLC, I was more pointing to the guys bashing Madlax as a bad club and team. I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure. I just hate to see the elite players on those other 4 or 5 NOVA clubs missing the chance to play on the same field as the best in there class nation wide.

I think many would argue that the owner stuff is not overblown at all. It's reason enough for me to keep the organization at an arm's length.

And you my friend are one delusional about how great these other owners are. All these guys are crazy in their own way. I will argue that all the other guys involved with Madlax are the best group in Va. 99% of all the people talking bad about Madlax and the owner are parents of kids cut or who lost playing time to a better player.

Who gets cut from Madlax these days? Certainly not any 2020 or 2021 kids. Maybe Madlax is cutting the good kids and that's why their teams are struggling.

This guy cracks me up but all and I mean all NOVA teams at 2020 are the same or worse then these Madlax 2020,2021 teams. Please try and name one who is better from NOVA. You can not do it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a competition, just stating pleased with VLC.

I am glad you are happy with VLC, I was more pointing to the guys bashing Madlax as a bad club and team. I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure. I just hate to see the elite players on those other 4 or 5 NOVA clubs missing the chance to play on the same field as the best in there class nation wide.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. As a VLC parent, here is my take ...

Maddux runs a BUSINESS, and any parent looking at Madlax needs to understand he will put the BUSINESS ahead of anything else. Case in point - HoCo. He knows, his assistants know, every coach in HoCo or any parent who has actually played high level lacrosse knows 2020 is simply not Elite level talent. That isn't to say they can't get there; but right now they are AA talent. Period. End of story.

Given that Maddux runs his clubs as a business; he's worry about brand perception. So his choice was to not play HoCo for the simple fact that they would not get grouped in the Elite bracket. There was no consideration for the kids, parents or anything else. It was a business decision. You can spin it with play dates vs. competition, etc. etc. -- but don't lose sight that what drove that decision was in the best interest of Madlax, and nobody else.

Contrast that to VLC. VLC is a non profit organization, only carries one team per age group. The 2020 boys play in the AA division, where they should rightfully be playing. There is no pretense of we should be Elite, etc. etc. - the coaches know it, the players know it and the parents know it. They laid out a plan for growth ... the team is fairly new, limited practices/reps and new coach. The plan then would be to gel as a team, learn the new system of the new coach and get in as much quality competition/practice as possible. This not only includes playing HoCo AA, but increased practice time and outside scrimmages as well (example, this past weekend was vs. Leading Edge and Crabs). This is about the KIDS getting better as a TEAM and learning to play lacrosse. This all builds up to summer, where the team hopes to be playing at an "Elite" caliber level.

My opinion is Madlax did a disservice to the parents and kids on their 2020 team. If they follow the model of we only play "Elite" level competition cause we are too, parents/kids will be in for long days and a miserable summer (e.g. Looney's play day this past weekend - what did the kids learn from that?). Take those miserable moments and add in costs, and the calculus is fairly simple. Parents will get frustrated and kids will look for greener pastures. I know VLC lost some kids to Madlax this spring; won't be surprised at all if those kids try and come back. I have no doubt VLC tryouts this Fall will probably bring in even more kids this year; as eyes have been opened for the local NoVA clubs since everyone is playing in HoCo save Madlax.

I can not argue with any part of this post. You are 100% correct with what you say. I am not happy with what the owner did with 2020. As I stated 100 times the talent is not there or to spread out. And I do not think Madlax was prepared to have the top team not get the top talent or for the top talent to not be available.

However, Madlax was willing to play in the Elite division even if that meant getting pummeled on a few occasions. So not sure the brand protection argument is too valid.

Then why is 2020 not playing in the HOCO league?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a competition, just stating pleased with VLC.

I am glad you are happy with VLC, I was more pointing to the guys bashing Madlax as a bad club and team. I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure. I just hate to see the elite players on those other 4 or 5 NOVA clubs missing the chance to play on the same field as the best in there class nation wide.

I think many would argue that the owner stuff is not overblown at all. It's reason enough for me to keep the organization at an arm's length.

And you my friend are one delusional about how great these other owners are. All these guys are crazy in their own way. I will argue that all the other guys involved with Madlax are the best group in Va. 99% of all the people talking bad about Madlax and the owner are parents of kids cut or who lost playing time to a better player.

Ah, yes. The old "yeah, but everyone does it, too" argument. Or non-argument.

1. NOBODY is crazier or more loathed than the Madlax guy

2. The Deadspin article is not some isolated case. I can think of at least 8 other people who've gotten the same treatment. I know because I've seen the texts and emails.

3. How do you know the Madlax coaches are the best in the area? Do you know every single coach for Madlax and comparable club?

4. No, 99% of people who call out Madlax are not people whose kids got cut or are dissatisfied with playing time (though I'm sure some of them are). Most people who opt to play for someone other than Madlax are parents who would not let their son play for that guy for any reason. The reasons why have been spelled out many times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a competition, just stating pleased with VLC.

I am glad you are happy with VLC, I was more pointing to the guys bashing Madlax as a bad club and team. I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure. I just hate to see the elite players on those other 4 or 5 NOVA clubs missing the chance to play on the same field as the best in there class nation wide.

I think many would argue that the owner stuff is not overblown at all. It's reason enough for me to keep the organization at an arm's length.

And you my friend are one delusional about how great these other owners are. All these guys are crazy in their own way. I will argue that all the other guys involved with Madlax are the best group in Va. 99% of all the people talking bad about Madlax and the owner are parents of kids cut or who lost playing time to a better player.

Who gets cut from Madlax these days? Certainly not any 2020 or 2021 kids. Maybe Madlax is cutting the good kids and that's why their teams are struggling.

This guy cracks me up but all and I mean all NOVA teams at 2020 are the same or worse then these Madlax 2020,2021 teams. Please try and name one who is better from NOVA. You can not do it.

The VLC 2020 team is better than their Madlax counterparts. I heard that Madlax beat them last month by a goal, but I see on tourney machine that it was Madlax's first game of the day and VLC had just finished a game.

My son is a 6th grader, but we know many families on both teams. The VLC team has the better roster.

The Next Level 2020 is also better and some of those kids are from VA (just as some of the Madlax kids are from DC and MD).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure.

You post this every week as if it were a fact.

1. Cost. Madlax is about 1.5x more expensive than the rest

2. Recruiting. BW and VLC are either better or similar in terms of college placement

3. Coaching. No idea who has better coaching and neither do you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then why is 2020 not playing in the HOCO league?

Madlax 2020 looks to be between divisions (AA & Elite). HoCo would not let them in Elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then why is 2020 not playing in the HOCO league?

Madlax 2020 looks to be between divisions (AA & Elite). HoCo would not let them in Elite.

The Madlax 2020 team that Looneys beat yesterday would not be considered an elite team, so I am told, wasn't at the game.
If they got beat by an elite team 16-2 I believe they would have a difficult time in the AA division. Perhaps A division would be better. Nothing wrong playing there, the kids get a chance to play and hopefully learn.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then why is 2020 not playing in the HOCO league?

Madlax 2020 looks to be between divisions (AA & Elite). HoCo would not let them in Elite.

Based on what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then why is 2020 not playing in the HOCO league?

Madlax 2020 looks to be between divisions (AA & Elite). HoCo would not let them in Elite.

Based on what?

Game scores from their website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then why is 2020 not playing in the HOCO league?

Madlax 2020 looks to be between divisions (AA & Elite). HoCo would not let them in Elite.

Based on what?

Game scores from their website.

The only scores I found show them losing to all of the teams in the Elite bracket, that makes them AA at best, not AA+ or Elite-.

They had the opportunity to try out for the Elite bracket, they felt that was beneath them, so they spend their time trolling lacrosse forums instead.

Wow.

Madlax 2020 - not in the league

Madlax 2021 - now 0-3. Outscored 34-5

Madlax 2022 - now 1-2. Got their first win beating Storm, who is 0-3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow.

Madlax 2020 - not in the league

Madlax 2021 - now 0-3. Outscored 34-5

Madlax 2022 - now 1-2. Got their first win beating Storm, who is 0-3.

Madlax 2020 and 2021 are not good.

Madlax 2022 is a good team. No shame in losing to Hawks and Diamondbacks.

I've seen the Madlax 2022. Not elite by any stretch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow.

Madlax 2020 - not in the league

Madlax 2021 - now 0-3. Outscored 34-5

Madlax 2022 - now 1-2. Got their first win beating Storm, who is 0-3.

Let me beat this dead horse again. What NOVA travel team is better? So bash Madlax and any of there teams records all you want. But they are still the best team and program in NOVA. And all any of you do by not playing for Madlax is hurt NOVA lacrosse and make 3 to 5 avg to really weak teams and keep the area from having at least one ELITE team. So yes I agree these two Madlax teams are weak. But all of you can sleep well knowing you are keeping little Johnny safe from the BIG BAD mean owner who yells at kids and hurts there feelings. And you MOM and DAD you are safe from that very scary email calling you a bad name. You all have done you job of making the world a better place. Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a competition, just stating pleased with VLC.

I am glad you are happy with VLC, I was more pointing to the guys bashing Madlax as a bad club and team. I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure. I just hate to see the elite players on those other 4 or 5 NOVA clubs missing the chance to play on the same field as the best in there class nation wide.

I think many would argue that the owner stuff is not overblown at all. It's reason enough for me to keep the organization at an arm's length.

And you my friend are one delusional about how great these other owners are. All these guys are crazy in their own way. I will argue that all the other guys involved with Madlax are the best group in Va. 99% of all the people talking bad about Madlax and the owner are parents of kids cut or who lost playing time to a better player.

Who gets cut from Madlax these days? Certainly not any 2020 or 2021 kids. Maybe Madlax is cutting the good kids and that's why their teams are struggling.

This guy cracks me up but all and I mean all NOVA teams at 2020 are the same or worse then these Madlax 2020,2021 teams. Please try and name one who is better from NOVA. You can not do it.

Blackwolf and VLC - there, I did it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very pleased with VLC 2020 this Spring.

Ok VLC is playing the AA bracket in HOCO correct. What is there record? Would you call them elite? Is this VLC 2020 team better or as good or worse then the Madlax 2020 team? Now please name the 4 summer tournaments this VLC team will play in this summer. I am guessing they will stack up to as even or a little below when we write it all down. So for either of these teams to win more then they lose this summer the best 5 players from one of them needs to switch teams. And sense VLC only has the one tryout the only option is for kid to move to Madlax for the summer. Or everyone stays put and this is fine but we will both have long summers when it coming to winning ball games. Also has anyone got an answer on if Blackwolf will have a 2020 team this summer. If so this could be a option for NOVA to have an Elite 2020 this summer?

VLC 2020 is better than the Madlax 2020 team, no question. See how easy that is?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow.

Madlax 2020 - not in the league

Madlax 2021 - now 0-3. Outscored 34-5

Madlax 2022 - now 1-2. Got their first win beating Storm, who is 0-3.

Let me beat this dead horse again. What NOVA travel team is better? So bash Madlax and any of there teams records all you want. But they are still the best team and program in NOVA. And all any of you do by not playing for Madlax is hurt NOVA lacrosse and make 3 to 5 avg to really weak teams and keep the area from having at least one ELITE team. So yes I agree these two Madlax teams are weak. But all of you can sleep well knowing you are keeping little Johnny safe from the BIG BAD mean owner who yells at kids and hurts there feelings. And you MOM and DAD you are safe from that very scary email calling you a bad name. You all have done you job of making the world a better place. Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then why is 2020 not playing in the HOCO league?

Madlax 2020 looks to be between divisions (AA & Elite). HoCo would not let them in Elite.

Based on what?

Game scores from their website.

The only scores I found show them losing to all of the teams in the Elite bracket, that makes them AA at best, not AA+ or Elite-.

They had the opportunity to try out for the Elite bracket, they felt that was beneath them, so they spend their time trolling lacrosse forums instead.

They do look to be between division, but probably A and AA. If they were in Elite, they would be getting destroyed like NL and the others who do not belong there either...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then why is 2020 not playing in the HOCO league?

Madlax 2020 looks to be between divisions (AA & Elite). HoCo would not let them in Elite.

Based on what?

Game scores from their website.

The only scores I found show them losing to all of the teams in the Elite bracket, that makes them AA at best, not AA+ or Elite-.

They had the opportunity to try out for the Elite bracket, they felt that was beneath them, so they spend their time trolling lacrosse forums instead.

... and the others who do not belong there either...

Ha, nice try.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then why is 2020 not playing in the HOCO league?

Madlax 2020 looks to be between divisions (AA & Elite). HoCo would not let them in Elite.

Based on what?

Game scores from their website.

The only scores I found show them losing to all of the teams in the Elite bracket, that makes them AA at best, not AA+ or Elite-.

They had the opportunity to try out for the Elite bracket, they felt that was beneath them, so they spend their time trolling lacrosse forums instead.

I see what you did there - stopped cross-referencing after the Elite division. When you look at results against AA teams they win. Maybe they should play more of both.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then why is 2020 not playing in the HOCO league?

Madlax 2020 looks to be between divisions (AA & Elite). HoCo would not let them in Elite.

Based on what?

Game scores from their website.

The only scores I found show them losing to all of the teams in the Elite bracket, that makes them AA at best, not AA+ or Elite-.

They had the opportunity to try out for the Elite bracket, they felt that was beneath them, so they spend their time trolling lacrosse forums instead.

I see what you did there - stopped cross-referencing after the Elite division. When you look at results against AA teams they win. Maybe they should play more of both.

Which AA teams have they played? I have not seen any results.

Does Blackwolf have a 2020 team? And the VLC team lost to this Madlax team. Is this correct please let me know where I am wrong. And I have also said many times there should be enough talent in NOVA to field 3 really good or elite teams. But not 4 or more. And we all can agree with this point or at least i think we can.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does Blackwolf have a 2020 team? And the VLC team lost to this Madlax team. Is this correct please let me know where I am wrong. And I have also said many times there should be enough talent in NOVA to field 3 really good or elite teams. But not 4 or more. And we all can agree with this point or at least i think we can.

Blackwolf does not have a 2020 team. Rumors of Trig selling to 3D, but who knows where that goes ...

VLC did lose to Capital 2020, by one goal. If I recall, VLC also kept it close against Next Level where Capital lost by a healthy margin. In other words, any given day these teams could play and beat each other.

VLC 2020 lost to Madlax, but give it some context. That was the first game of the day for Madlax whereas VLC had 30 minutes of rest after having finished a game.

Madlax has a much worse roster. Everyone knows that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2020 lost to Madlax, but give it some context. That was the first game of the day for Madlax whereas VLC had 30 minutes of rest after having finished a game.

Madlax has a much worse roster. Everyone knows that.

We can argue which team is better all day, but what we can agree on is both teams would be a TON better if they added the top players from those other four 2020 teams in NOVA. Right now we are fighting over which team is a little above avg. This sucks for NOVA lacrosse. The Madlax and VLC 2018,2019 teams have been and will be making the NOVA lacrosse world look good for years. Both these 2020 teams are so weak and the Cavs,3d, BattleLax and others are no where close to good at this age.

You have no perspective, which is why you keep posting the same stupid "We need to combine into one SUPER TEAM" drivel over and over again.

It is not about who wins a league or tournament. It is about finding the right team that improves your son's skills and gets them the exposure they want. When these teams go to HS, more and more kids will come to their tryouts. They will all be fine. Some will come from other clubs. Others will be trying to play club for the first time. There are plenty of great athletes and players who will be added to VLC and Madlax.

Stop stressing. Not a big deal.

[quote=Anonymous]You have no perspective, which is why you keep posting the same stupid "We need to combine into one SUPER TEAM" drivel over and over again.

It is not about who wins a league or tournament. It is about finding the right team that improves your son's skills and gets them the exposure they want. When these teams go to HS, more and more kids will come to their tryouts. They will all be fine. Some will come from other clubs. Others will be trying to play club for the first time. There are plenty of great athletes and players who will be added to VLC and Madlax.

Stop stressing. Not a big deal. [/quot
Well if no one cares about these 2020 teams winning and being a great/good team then why do we see all these post about who is better and which roster is better. And as for the kids being seen Madlax and VLC are going to start to be left off these elite tournament rosters if they do not put together elite teams to play in these elite tournaments. There is a push in the club scene to make these super packs and only play in tournaments with these super pack teams. So NOVA does need to put elite teams together or they will be left off soon. Might not be this year but if VLC and Madlax 2022-2025 are as mad as 2020 and 2021 Nova will not have a single club able to play in these super pack tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You have no perspective, which is why you keep posting the same stupid "We need to combine into one SUPER TEAM" drivel over and over again.

It is not about who wins a league or tournament. It is about finding the right team that improves your son's skills and gets them the exposure they want. When these teams go to HS, more and more kids will come to their tryouts. They will all be fine. Some will come from other clubs. Others will be trying to play club for the first time. There are plenty of great athletes and players who will be added to VLC and Madlax.

Stop stressing. Not a big deal. [/quot
Well if no one cares about these 2020 teams winning and being a great/good team then why do we see all these post about who is better and which roster is better. And as for the kids being seen Madlax and VLC are going to start to be left off these elite tournament rosters if they do not put together elite teams to play in these elite tournaments. There is a push in the club scene to make these super packs and only play in tournaments with these super pack teams. So NOVA does need to put elite teams together or they will be left off soon. Might not be this year but if VLC and Madlax 2022-2025 are as mad as 2020 and 2021 Nova will not have a single club able to play in these super pack tournaments.

I don't think that's the case. VLC just starts putting these teams together later. For example last spring 2019 played in the NPYLL A division, this fall they competed favorably. VLC 2020 has all the tools, big middies, natural lefties at the appropriate positions and a very effective/talented attack. Coach Lewandowski and his team have just gotten started. The coaches are responsive to the parents input for more practice and events. VLC 2020 will share in the success that the older boys have had without a doubt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You have no perspective, which is why you keep posting the same stupid "We need to combine into one SUPER TEAM" drivel over and over again.

It is not about who wins a league or tournament. It is about finding the right team that improves your son's skills and gets them the exposure they want. When these teams go to HS, more and more kids will come to their tryouts. They will all be fine. Some will come from other clubs. Others will be trying to play club for the first time. There are plenty of great athletes and players who will be added to VLC and Madlax.

Stop stressing. Not a big deal. [/quot
Well if no one cares about these 2020 teams winning and being a great/good team then why do we see all these post about who is better and which roster is better. And as for the kids being seen Madlax and VLC are going to start to be left off these elite tournament rosters if they do not put together elite teams to play in these elite tournaments. There is a push in the club scene to make these super packs and only play in tournaments with these super pack teams. So NOVA does need to put elite teams together or they will be left off soon. Might not be this year but if VLC and Madlax 2022-2025 are as mad as 2020 and 2021 Nova will not have a single club able to play in these super pack tournaments.

I don't think that's the case. VLC just starts putting these teams together later. For example last spring 2019 played in the NPYLL A division, this fall they competed favorably. VLC 2020 has all the tools, big middies, natural lefties at the appropriate positions and a very effective/talented attack. Coach Lewandowski and his team have just gotten started. The coaches are responsive to the parents input for more practice and events. VLC 2020 will share in the success that the older boys have had without a doubt.

Ok so this is one large Vote that VLC is the team to play for. All we can do now is see if he is correct. Like I said I want it to be Madlax but VLC is a fine choice to be the elite team from NOVA. I just want to point out that VLC is owned by the Crabs so if you want to be on the moral high horse about Madlax and the owner. You can not then play for the a club owned by a club with as many or more black eyes as Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You have no perspective, which is why you keep posting the same stupid "We need to combine into one SUPER TEAM" drivel over and over again.

It is not about who wins a league or tournament. It is about finding the right team that improves your son's skills and gets them the exposure they want. When these teams go to HS, more and more kids will come to their tryouts. They will all be fine. Some will come from other clubs. Others will be trying to play club for the first time. There are plenty of great athletes and players who will be added to VLC and Madlax.

Stop stressing. Not a big deal. [/quot
Well if no one cares about these 2020 teams winning and being a great/good team then why do we see all these post about who is better and which roster is better. And as for the kids being seen Madlax and VLC are going to start to be left off these elite tournament rosters if they do not put together elite teams to play in these elite tournaments. There is a push in the club scene to make these super packs and only play in tournaments with these super pack teams. So NOVA does need to put elite teams together or they will be left off soon. Might not be this year but if VLC and Madlax 2022-2025 are as mad as 2020 and 2021 Nova will not have a single club able to play in these super pack tournaments.

I don't think that's the case. VLC just starts putting these teams together later. For example last spring 2019 played in the NPYLL A division, this fall they competed favorably. VLC 2020 has all the tools, big middies, natural lefties at the appropriate positions and a very effective/talented attack. Coach Lewandowski and his team have just gotten started. The coaches are responsive to the parents input for more practice and events. VLC 2020 will share in the success that the older boys have had without a doubt.

Ok so this is one large Vote that VLC is the team to play for. All we can do now is see if he is correct. Like I said I want it to be Madlax but VLC is a fine choice to be the elite team from NOVA. I just want to point out that VLC is owned by the Crabs so if you want to be on the moral high horse about Madlax and the owner. You can not then play for the a club owned by a club with as many or more black eyes as Madlax.

It's been several years since the Crabs purchased VLC, VLC's management seems to be able to stay on a path of their choosing while leveraging the relationship with the Crabs to their advantage and not needing to get bogged down in all the back office necessities of running a lacrosse club. All of the VLC leadership seems to be in this for the love of lacrosse and not trying to make a living at it. Your point is well taken, but up to this point appears to be a non issue. As I recall the whole reason VLC exists is to provide a legitimate option to Madlax. I'd say they are delivering on that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You have no perspective, which is why you keep posting the same stupid "We need to combine into one SUPER TEAM" drivel over and over again.

It is not about who wins a league or tournament. It is about finding the right team that improves your son's skills and gets them the exposure they want. When these teams go to HS, more and more kids will come to their tryouts. They will all be fine. Some will come from other clubs. Others will be trying to play club for the first time. There are plenty of great athletes and players who will be added to VLC and Madlax.

Stop stressing. Not a big deal. [/quot
Well if no one cares about these 2020 teams winning and being a great/good team then why do we see all these post about who is better and which roster is better. And as for the kids being seen Madlax and VLC are going to start to be left off these elite tournament rosters if they do not put together elite teams to play in these elite tournaments. There is a push in the club scene to make these super packs and only play in tournaments with these super pack teams. So NOVA does need to put elite teams together or they will be left off soon. Might not be this year but if VLC and Madlax 2022-2025 are as mad as 2020 and 2021 Nova will not have a single club able to play in these super pack tournaments.

I don't think that's the case. VLC just starts putting these teams together later. For example last spring 2019 played in the NPYLL A division, this fall they competed favorably. VLC 2020 has all the tools, big middies, natural lefties at the appropriate positions and a very effective/talented attack. Coach Lewandowski and his team have just gotten started. The coaches are responsive to the parents input for more practice and events. VLC 2020 will share in the success that the older boys have had without a doubt.

VLC 2019 played in the 'A' division and went 6-1
Madlax 2019 played in the 'AA' division and went 6-1

I think that gives the plus to Madlax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You have no perspective, which is why you keep posting the same stupid "We need to combine into one SUPER TEAM" drivel over and over again.

It is not about who wins a league or tournament. It is about finding the right team that improves your son's skills and gets them the exposure they want. When these teams go to HS, more and more kids will come to their tryouts. They will all be fine. Some will come from other clubs. Others will be trying to play club for the first time. There are plenty of great athletes and players who will be added to VLC and Madlax.

Stop stressing. Not a big deal. [/quot
Well if no one cares about these 2020 teams winning and being a great/good team then why do we see all these post about who is better and which roster is better. And as for the kids being seen Madlax and VLC are going to start to be left off these elite tournament rosters if they do not put together elite teams to play in these elite tournaments. There is a push in the club scene to make these super packs and only play in tournaments with these super pack teams. So NOVA does need to put elite teams together or they will be left off soon. Might not be this year but if VLC and Madlax 2022-2025 are as mad as 2020 and 2021 Nova will not have a single club able to play in these super pack tournaments.

I don't think that's the case. VLC just starts putting these teams together later. For example last spring 2019 played in the NPYLL A division, this fall they competed favorably. VLC 2020 has all the tools, big middies, natural lefties at the appropriate positions and a very effective/talented attack. Coach Lewandowski and his team have just gotten started. The coaches are responsive to the parents input for more practice and events. VLC 2020 will share in the success that the older boys have had without a doubt.

VLC 2019 played in the 'A' division and went 6-1
Madlax 2019 played in the 'AA' division and went 6-1

I think that gives the plus to Madlax

Perhaps that wasn't stated clearly. The point was they don't have 5th and 6th grade teams and they played the 2019 team at the appropriate level and they are getting better.

I have a question, where are all of these 2020 kids going to high school?

If you look at the vast majority of commits from 2017-2019, most of them go to the privates. Is MadLax all public school kids? Is VLC all public?

Is the real question- where has the private talent gone to play club? Maybe we should ask that question.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a question, where are all of these 2020 kids going to high school?

If you look at the vast majority of commits from 2017-2019, most of them go to the privates. Is MadLax all public school kids? Is VLC all public?

Is the real question- where has the private talent gone to play club? Maybe we should ask that question.

I see the logic in your thinking, but I think the reality is that the NOVA families in general (there are always exceptions) are not opting for the hold back route the way the some of the elite teams that are outperforming our boys are. Just change the channel to the 2020 discussion and you will see what I mean.

This is true....very few hold back in Va

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is true....very few hold back in Va

It is almost all concentrated on the Bethesda and North Baltimore clubs.

There are plenty of holdbacks in VA. Many on Madlax's 2017 team, for example. 2020 kids are in 8th right now. Some of them will become 2021s in the summer/fall.

MATER DEI!

yeah Mater Dei is poster school for holdbacks--basically every incoming 6th grader is a repeat when the school adds a 2nd 20 boy class in 6th grade....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yeah Mater Dei is poster school for holdbacks--basically every incoming 6th grader is a repeat when the school adds a 2nd 20 boy class in 6th grade....

True, there are kids that live in VA and go to schools like Mater Dei, the 2020 boys I know of that go to Mater Dei aren't playing for VA teams and aren't going to go to HS in VA either.

Mater Dei is ridiculous in this regard. My son plays middle school football and lax against them for his school team. They are all a year older and bigger, like all of them. Its a joke. There are Virginia kids at Mater Dei, but most play for Club Blue not Madlax or VLC. Some play for Crabs, go figure, and yes they are holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mater Dei is ridiculous in this regard. My son plays middle school football and lax against them for his school team. They are all a year older and bigger, like all of them. Its a joke. There are Virginia kids at Mater Dei, but most play for Club Blue not Madlax or VLC. Some play for Crabs, go figure, and yes they are holdbacks.

I've always been surprised that 2020 CB isn't better considering the number of holdbacks, guess it doesn't always work out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mater Dei is ridiculous in this regard. My son plays middle school football and lax against them for his school team. They are all a year older and bigger, like all of them. Its a joke. There are Virginia kids at Mater Dei, but most play for Club Blue not Madlax or VLC. Some play for Crabs, go figure, and yes they are holdbacks.

I've always been surprised that 2020 CB isn't better considering the number of holdbacks, guess it doesn't always work out.

That's because by 8th grade, kids can play or they can't. Holding them back doesn't always make a difference.

Best players from 2020 Mater Dei play for Crabs or another team. Ever since Giblin left Mater Dei the pipeline to CB has started to clog....

Peak for CB was when 2018 was in 8th grade. many of those boys are now committed to great schools and tearing it up in HS

Mater Dei is ridiculous in this regard. My son plays middle school football and lax against them for his school team. They are all a year older and bigger, like all of them. Its a joke. There are Virginia kids at Mater Dei, but most play for Club Blue not Madlax or VLC. Some play for Crabs, go figure, and yes they are holdbacks.
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Big defender on Crabs from Mater Dei, is a hold back. Going to Georgetown Prep.

That's my point. VLC and MadLax used to pull in private and reclassed kids and have success. Now the 2020 teams and below are full of on age public school kids and we see how that is going. Next Level 2020 is an elite team in HoCo, they never would have been able to pull that off with their 2017 or 2018 teams back when they were in 8th grade.

There isn't a 2019 commit from VA that isn't age appropriate for 2018.

Why the exodus from VA teams? No private school kids? What's going on?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's my point. VLC and MadLax used to pull in private and reclassed kids and have success. Now the 2020 teams and below are full of on age public school kids and we see how that is going. Next Level 2020 is an elite team in HoCo, they never would have been able to pull that off with their 2017 or 2018 teams back when they were in 8th grade.

There isn't a 2019 commit from VA that isn't age appropriate for 2018.

Why the exodus from VA teams? No private school kids? What's going on?

What are you talking about? I can think of two 2019's who live and go to VA public schools that are committed and are on age. My son played youth football with one of them. One is committed to Ohio State, the other to Maryland.

Price is right if you are going to a good middle school. Many of the kids will be in private schools next year.

EHS' Navy committ is on age, and a public school kid prior to EHS. Not sure what the deal is with some of the other IAC kids in VA.

Yeah but they are playing sweet lax. And have serious lax pedigrees.

Madlax 2019 goalie is on age too. I'm not sure that some of these posters are in the know

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah but they are playing sweet lax. And have serious lax pedigrees.

Correct, but the poster stated there were no on age 2019 players committed from VA. Patently false.

There are numerous stories of VA kids going to privates for one reason or another. There are also many VA kids attending public schools who went on to have success (e.g Rowlett @ UNC, played at Robinson).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah but they are playing sweet lax. And have serious lax pedigrees.

Correct, but the poster stated there were no on age 2019 players committed from VA. Patently false.

There are numerous stories of VA kids going to privates for one reason or another. There are also many VA kids attending public schools who went on to have success (e.g Rowlett @ UNC, played at Robinson).

I think the numbers where higher for the private size on these club teams. I think Madlax 2020 and VLC 2020 have a higher number of public school kids then the older teams

You guys have no idea what you're talking about. This is an 8th grade team. Many of these kids will be playing for private schools in the fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah but they are playing sweet lax. And have serious lax pedigrees.

Correct, but the poster stated there were no on age 2019 players committed from VA. Patently false.

There are numerous stories of VA kids going to privates for one reason or another. There are also many VA kids attending public schools who went on to have success (e.g Rowlett @ UNC, played at Robinson).

I think the numbers where higher for the private size on these club teams. I think Madlax 2020 and VLC 2020 have a higher number of public school kids then the older teams

The poster is correct, all three "sweetlax" kids are age appropriate for 2018. Easy to confirm when they start driving! I think where they are going with the private vs public is the right question. How many private school kids from MadLax and VLC 2020?

Added note, I love when the EHS parent chimes in with his son's commit even though it has nothing to do with what we are talking about. He's in private school, that goes with the argument the older teams were either private/older or both.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys have no idea what you're talking about. This is an 8th grade team. Many of these kids will be playing for private schools in the fall.

Well with my older son who played Madlax. Most of the kids where already in Private middle schools. Most people who pay 30K for high school are the same people who pay 22k for k-8th grade. But if Madlax has gotten these Public school kids into Private high schools that is a gold star for the program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys have no idea what you're talking about. This is an 8th grade team. Many of these kids will be playing for private schools in the fall.

Well with my older son who played Madlax. Most of the kids where already in Private middle schools. Most people who pay 30K for high school are the same people who pay 22k for k-8th grade. But if Madlax has gotten these Public school kids into Private high schools that is a gold star for the program.

I don't know about Madlax, but there are several VLC 2020's going to privates next year that attend public school this year. I think the parents recognize that the schedules for the privates are much more inline with the level of lacrosse the boys need to be playing to show they can compete. Even if you are at Robinson, Woodson or Chantilly, how many games do you have on the schedule that are really worth while? Not many and even those are questionable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys have no idea what you're talking about. This is an 8th grade team. Many of these kids will be playing for private schools in the fall.

Well with my older son who played Madlax. Most of the kids where already in Private middle schools. Most people who pay 30K for high school are the same people who pay 22k for k-8th grade. But if Madlax has gotten these Public school kids into Private high schools that is a gold star for the program.

I don't know about Madlax, but there are several VLC 2020's going to privates next year that attend public school this year. I think the parents recognize that the schedules for the privates are much more inline with the level of lacrosse the boys need to be playing to show they can compete. Even if you are at Robinson, Woodson or Chantilly, how many games do you have on the schedule that are really worth while? Not many and even those are questionable.

I agree with this post. I am 99% sure all D1 public school kids got there through there club or showcase team. I am sure they talked to his public school coach but I can almost guarantee he was scouted playing for his club team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys have no idea what you're talking about. This is an 8th grade team. Many of these kids will be playing for private schools in the fall.

Well with my older son who played Madlax. Most of the kids where already in Private middle schools. Most people who pay 30K for high school are the same people who pay 22k for k-8th grade. But if Madlax has gotten these Public school kids into Private high schools that is a gold star for the program.

I don't know about Madlax, but there are several VLC 2020's going to privates next year that attend public school this year. I think the parents recognize that the schedules for the privates are much more inline with the level of lacrosse the boys need to be playing to show they can compete. Even if you are at Robinson, Woodson or Chantilly, how many games do you have on the schedule that are really worth while? Not many and even those are questionable.

I agree with this post. I am 99% sure all D1 public school kids got there through there club or showcase team. I am sure they talked to his public school coach but I can almost guarantee he was scouted playing for his club team.

Of course the majority were scouted playing for their club team. There aren't enough coaches, assts. etc to visit high schools to watch kids. This isn't big time D1 sports (despite what many parents think it is ...) Just enrolling in a private means nothing if you never see the field and practice your celebration skits on the sidelines.

Top talent is obvious to college coaches, whether you're playing in public or private high school.

Top talent will get noticed, if you are in the top 5% of players, you can go to public school. For us in 2020 you already know if your son is top 5%, and for most of us our kids aren't.

Besides those, there are very few public kids going to top 20 lacrosse schools. The odds go through the roof when you look at the privates. Why? The college coaches believe like the poster said above, the private kids will play better lacrosse for 4 years at a prep school than they will at public.

How many kids at Robinson, Chantilly, Langley, Woodson etc. are going to a top 20 D1 school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top talent will get noticed, if you are in the top 5% of players, you can go to public school. For us in 2020 you already know if your son is top 5%, and for most of us our kids aren't.

Besides those, there are very few public kids going to top 20 lacrosse schools. The odds go through the roof when you look at the privates. Why? The college coaches believe like the poster said above, the private kids will play better lacrosse for 4 years at a prep school than they will at public.

How many kids at Robinson, Chantilly, Langley, Woodson etc. are going to a top 20 D1 school?

I don't disagree top talent gets noticed no matter. But if you can swing it, and your child can benefit from a private education. Why not have a more challenging spring, and oh yeah for sure you take the risk of not playing. More than one pvi kid playing public as a senior, players want to be on the field not watch. And yeah, the coaches feedback during the "process" of getting into private and the results you see on the field should let you know where your kid stands. But, lots of kids improve a lot, and we are still talking a small amount of early commits compared to the opportunity to play D1. Your kid can definitely catch up with hard work and great coaching. If it's what you want, chances are better in private IMO.

Added note, I love when the EHS parent chimes in with his son's commit even though it has nothing to do with what we are talking about. He's in private school, that goes with the argument the older teams were either private/older or both. [/quote] Hey added note guy, wrong! I posted that and it's not my kid. I am a public school parent with a decent player who is a good multi sport athlete having fun playing lax. No D1 aspirations. It is totally relevant if you have half a brain. The kid is on age and didn't go to a private middle school. You are just pissed because he left Madlax. I see he's still listed on theroster on the Madlax website though even though it's been almost a year.... and yeah his dad got the [lacrosse] emails too.

There have to a lot more examples (Rowlett is the obvious one) of VA public high school kids who are committed to or playing for D1 schools. Rowlett played for VLC but started getting noticed by college recruiters at individual showcase events. I agree playing club is a way to get noticed but not the only way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There have to a lot more examples (Rowlett is the obvious one) of VA public high school kids who are committed to or playing for D1 schools. Rowlett played for VLC but started getting noticed by college recruiters at individual showcase events. I agree playing club is a way to get noticed but not the only way.

I said club/showcases if you look at the earlier post. But Rowlett. Is so good he would of been found if he was playing in the park at 8pm with no lights on.

Is Madlax enjoying success at any level at this point?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Madlax enjoying success at any level at this point?

Well the 2019 team is top 3 in the US hands down and 2018 is top 10 for sure. 2022 and 2024 are good teams and we will see if they can build up to great. 2020 and 2021 are the weak ones at this time 2020 can only hope these summer tryouts bring some talent out to help. And the funny thing is when people talk around about Madlax being down it makes more people decide to tryout. 2019 year had smaller and smaller tryouts because the word was out they where to good and there was no spots.

The 2019 team is very good right now. The 2018s used to be very good as well, but many kids have either quit or moved to other clubs. They struggled this past fall. 2020 and 2021 is definitely weak.

Not sure your other statement is correct. 2020 was down the prior year, and both NL and VLC saw stronger turnouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2019 team is very good right now. The 2018s used to be very good as well, but many kids have either quit or moved to other clubs. They struggled this past fall. 2020 and 2021 is definitely weak.

Not sure your other statement is correct. 2020 was down the prior year, and both NL and VLC saw stronger turnouts.

To be honest with you what is hurting Madlax is the rise of Next Level. They have kids that would of played Madlax 1-4 years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2019 team is very good right now. The 2018s used to be very good as well, but many kids have either quit or moved to other clubs. They struggled this past fall. 2020 and 2021 is definitely weak.

Not sure your other statement is correct. 2020 was down the prior year, and both NL and VLC saw stronger turnouts.

To be honest with you what is hurting Madlax is the rise of Next Level. They have kids that would of played Madlax 1-4 years ago.

3D coming to town didn't help either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2019 team is very good right now. The 2018s used to be very good as well, but many kids have either quit or moved to other clubs. They struggled this past fall. 2020 and 2021 is definitely weak.

Not sure your other statement is correct. 2020 was down the prior year, and both NL and VLC saw stronger turnouts.

To be honest with you what is hurting Madlax is the rise of Next Level. They have kids that would of played Madlax 1-4 years ago.

3D coming to town didn't help either.

I can see they took 1 or 3 players an age group but those team are not very good. The NL teams 2019,2020, 2021 are pretty good. 4 years ago NL was the starter club for the young kids. Now they have solid to really good older teams

I have a call to all Madlax Parents. We as a group from 2017 down to 2024 need to do something to clean up the image of our owner. I was at a college game the other day and was talking to a Dad of a U9 age player. He asked me about my son and who he played for in the summer. I told him Madlax and we have played there for a number of years. His first sentence was "is that the club with the owner and the email." I spent the next 5 mins in line talking him down and explaining why this story is still out there at all times. At the time of the email when the owner decided to say nothing and hope it just went away I new it was a bad idea. And now what 4 years or even 5 years later its still on the mind of a U9 dad. I explained to him that the other coaches in this program are all great guys who know the game as well as anyone. And I explained the other side of the email story that was not posted on the site. All must remember that the deadspin article only had the emails from our owner to him. They left out all emails and phone calls from this father back to him. But I move on. This issue needs to have a end. How it ends I do not know. I am aware this gives a opening for the others to chime in and call the owner all kinds of names. But us Madlax parents need to be proactive in talking up letting people now we are still the best option in NOVA emails or not.

Good luck Madlax parent trying to clean up the image of your owner. Its too late. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. The word is out on what "could" happen to a player on Madlax regardless of who's right/wrong. Probably both sides are a little to blame. But what parent would want to risk exposing their kid to such craziness. The better players (2020/2021/2022/2023/etc.) at most of the local prep schools (Landcon/Mater Dei/St Albans/Sidwell) are all choosing other programs such as Next Level, Crabs, FCA, BL and probably 3D as they build a base in the mid atlantic. Without participation from these schools, kids who practice/play 5 days a week as well as play for their club team Madlax will continue to slide. Guess its a good lesson for young kids and social media, once its out there it out there for life.

Agree with this post and the movement to other clubs, but what is happening to Club Blue?

Parent of a middle schooler at Landon. No middle school kid there that I know of plays for any Capital team. The reputation among the Landon community is that the Madlax owner is poison, and the parent group think is that they want no part of it. By saying this, I am not saying that Landon is anything special, I am just saying that the school is hyper-lacrosse aware, and there is a strong anti-Landon bias that I don't see going away. The email is part of it, but only a part. That owner does jerky things over and over again. It is really ironic because it is clear that the Madlax owner really wants an association with Landon, tries to get the Landon fields for his program, but the middle school community just wants no part of him or the program. BTW most Landon middle schoolers have chosen Next Level, Bethesda and to a lesser extent Club Blue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parent of a middle schooler at Landon. No middle school kid there that I know of plays for any Capital team. The reputation among the Landon community is that the Madlax owner is poison, and the parent group think is that they want no part of it. By saying this, I am not saying that Landon is anything special, I am just saying that the school is hyper-lacrosse aware, and there is a strong anti-Landon bias that I don't see going away. The email is part of it, but only a part. That owner does jerky things over and over again. It is really ironic because it is clear that the Madlax owner really wants an association with Landon, tries to get the Landon fields for his program, but the middle school community just wants no part of him or the program. BTW most Landon middle schoolers have chosen Next Level, Bethesda and to a lesser extent Club Blue.

I must agree there was several Landon kids on Madlax in the past. I hate to say it but NL stepped right in after the email and jumped all over it and got those kids who would play for Madlax. I would love for the owner to find a real partner and give up control and apologize for all the dumb things he has done in the past. I think he is a great coach no matter what some say. He just should never be aloud to write a email ever again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parent of a middle schooler at Landon. No middle school kid there that I know of plays for any Capital team. The reputation among the Landon community is that the Madlax owner is poison, and the parent group think is that they want no part of it. By saying this, I am not saying that Landon is anything special, I am just saying that the school is hyper-lacrosse aware, and there is a strong anti-Landon bias that I don't see going away. The email is part of it, but only a part. That owner does jerky things over and over again. It is really ironic because it is clear that the Madlax owner really wants an association with Landon, tries to get the Landon fields for his program, but the middle school community just wants no part of him or the program. BTW most Landon middle schoolers have chosen Next Level, Bethesda and to a lesser extent Club Blue.

Wasn't the kid the email sent to a kid going to Landon. That might have something to do with the rep. Reap what you sow.

"But us Madlax parents need to be proactive in talking up letting people now we are still the best option in NOVA emails or not."

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion but this is a really strange statement to make (and I'm not talking about grammatical and spelling errors). In my opinion, it sounds very dated to say that Madlax is the best option in NOVA. Times have changed, and there are other options that are looking more and more attractive every year. The best advertising for a program is word of mouth from kids and parents who have experience with the program. You shouldn't have to start a campaign to convince people that Madlax is the "best option" - word of mouth should take care of that, if that's the case. In my opinion, the key is to find good coaching for your son, wherever that may be. If your son is a good player and has a positive relationship with his coach, good things will happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"But us Madlax parents need to be proactive in talking up letting people now we are still the best option in NOVA emails or not."

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion but this is a really strange statement to make (and I'm not talking about grammatical and spelling errors). In my opinion, it sounds very dated to say that Madlax is the best option in NOVA. Times have changed, and there are other options that are looking more and more attractive every year. The best advertising for a program is word of mouth from kids and parents who have experience with the program. You shouldn't have to start a campaign to convince people that Madlax is the "best option" - word of mouth should take care of that, if that's the case. In my opinion, the key is to find good coaching for your son, wherever that may be. If your son is a good player and has a positive relationship with his coach, good things will happen.

Well besides the jab at my spelling and grammar I agree with your point for sure. Madlax should not have to be proactive about the good sides of there team. But there is a very clear campaign to bad mouth and talk people out of playing for Madlax. I agree a teams play should speak for itself. But its very clear the parents of kids who where cut or upset by our owner are making it there life mission to kill the club

Sorry about the cheap jab - couldn't resist

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"But us Madlax parents need to be proactive in talking up letting people now we are still the best option in NOVA emails or not."

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion but this is a really strange statement to make (and I'm not talking about grammatical and spelling errors). In my opinion, it sounds very dated to say that Madlax is the best option in NOVA. Times have changed, and there are other options that are looking more and more attractive every year. The best advertising for a program is word of mouth from kids and parents who have experience with the program. You shouldn't have to start a campaign to convince people that Madlax is the "best option" - word of mouth should take care of that, if that's the case. In my opinion, the key is to find good coaching for your son, wherever that may be. If your son is a good player and has a positive relationship with his coach, good things will happen.

Well besides the jab at my spelling and grammar I agree with your point for sure. Madlax should not have to be proactive about the good sides of there team. But there is a very clear campaign to bad mouth and talk people out of playing for Madlax. I agree a teams play should speak for itself. But its very clear the parents of kids who where cut or upset by our owner are making it there life mission to kill the club

As someone said, you reap what you sow. Basically what you are asking people to do is to ignore Cabel's past transgressions and sign up to pay him thousands of dollars to teach and mentor their children. Good luck with that. Sometimes people make mistakes they can't recover from. When you run a business predicated on servicing families, trashing your customers is probably not wise.

Anyone that plays for Madlax now gets into it knowing what happened and that is their choice. You aren't going to convince people that feel that he isn't the man to be in any way affiliated with their child otherwise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"But us Madlax parents need to be proactive in talking up letting people now we are still the best option in NOVA emails or not."

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion but this is a really strange statement to make (and I'm not talking about grammatical and spelling errors). In my opinion, it sounds very dated to say that Madlax is the best option in NOVA. Times have changed, and there are other options that are looking more and more attractive every year. The best advertising for a program is word of mouth from kids and parents who have experience with the program. You shouldn't have to start a campaign to convince people that Madlax is the "best option" - word of mouth should take care of that, if that's the case. In my opinion, the key is to find good coaching for your son, wherever that may be. If your son is a good player and has a positive relationship with his coach, good things will happen.

Well besides the jab at my spelling and grammar I agree with your point for sure. Madlax should not have to be proactive about the good sides of there team. But there is a very clear campaign to bad mouth and talk people out of playing for Madlax. I agree a teams play should speak for itself. But its very clear the parents of kids who where cut or upset by our owner are making it there life mission to kill the club

As someone said, you reap what you sow. Basically what you are asking people to do is to ignore Cabel's past transgressions and sign up to pay him thousands of dollars to teach and mentor their children. Good luck with that. Sometimes people make mistakes they can't recover from. When you run a business predicated on servicing families, trashing your customers is probably not wise.

Anyone that plays for Madlax now gets into it knowing what happened and that is their choice. You aren't going to convince people that feel that he isn't the man to be in any way affiliated with their child otherwise.

I agree it was not a good look but it was several years ago. He has boys playing now he is very miss understood. Those emails where a verbal fight back and forth between two adults. He never tracked down the kid and said anything with malice to him. Go back and read the emails and see how there is large gaps in the timeline and they only posted his emails to the dad not the emails back to him. Once again not a good look but if Barry Bonds has a job coaching I think we can let this die. I think there is some line about he who throws the first stone. I am sure someone can find it for me. I think at this point it starting to say more about the people trying to kill his club then the him for his bone headed choice.

Who cares. All the dominant clubs are down because of market saturation.

What makes you think people are "trying to kill his club"? That sounds a bit paranoid. I think people are probably just moving on and making other choices on their own. I don't think there's any need to have a grand plot to destroy the guy. He's doing it all on his own.

Competing clubs are continuously bad mouthing each other in the Baltimore area - not exclusive to Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a call to all Madlax Parents. We as a group from 2017 down to 2024 need to do something to clean up the image of our owner. I was at a college game the other day and was talking to a Dad of a U9 age player. He asked me about my son and who he played for in the summer. I told him Madlax and we have played there for a number of years. His first sentence was "is that the club with the owner and the email." I spent the next 5 mins in line talking him down and explaining why this story is still out there at all times. At the time of the email when the owner decided to say nothing and hope it just went away I new it was a bad idea. And now what 4 years or even 5 years later its still on the mind of a U9 dad. I explained to him that the other coaches in this program are all great guys who know the game as well as anyone. And I explained the other side of the email story that was not posted on the site. All must remember that the deadspin article only had the emails from our owner to him. They left out all emails and phone calls from this father back to him. But I move on. This issue needs to have a end. How it ends I do not know. I am aware this gives a opening for the others to chime in and call the owner all kinds of names. But us Madlax parents need to be proactive in talking up letting people now we are still the best option in NOVA emails or not.

This might be the saddest post ever. Let's tackle it one at a time.

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I have a call to all Madlax Parents. We as a group from 2017 down to 2024 need to do something to clean up the image of our owner.

Think about what you are typing. If you have to rally Madlax parents via the Internet in order to disguise/clean up the image of the owner you give your money to, what does that really say about him (as well as you?)

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I spent the next 5 mins in line talking him down and explaining why this story is still out there at all times.

The story is out there because this is not an isolated episode. He has does this via phone, text, email, and in person many times. I know families with multiple kids and chose to withdraw one kid and leave one kid with Madlax because they thought it was the best for both kids, and the owner kicked out the other kid, leaving the family scrambling. You want that person to play for Madlax because it makes you feel better about the choice you made.

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I explained to him that the other coaches in this program are all great guys who know the game as well as anyone.

I'm sure Madlax has some great coaches; so do other clubs. Does that somehow obscure the fact that the owner THREATENS kids and parents who leave? I mean, who does that?

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And I explained the other side of the email story that was not posted on the site. All must remember that the deadspin article only had the emails from our owner to him. They left out all emails and phone calls from this father back to him.

Even if the family was loathsome, nothing justifies threatening people, encouraging Madlax kids to take it out on the kid, threatening to call Landon (as if that would do anything), etc. Nothing justifies that.

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But us Madlax parents need to be proactive in talking up letting people now we are still the best option in NOVA emails or not.

How about you let people reach out to YOU to ask your opinion? Or let people make up their own minds.

Some people apparently are willing to hold their nose and give this guy their money. Everyone should do what they think is best. But in terms of cost, Madlax is 50% more for no reason, so some people don't like that. Some people are focused on clubs like Blackwolf and VLC which have just as good, if not better, college placement, so some people are not going to play for Madlax.

The guy treats people like dirt. Your call if you want to support that.

How about the owner this past spring very actively recruiting the Next Level team players en masse to defect to his 2020 team after he had already selected his 2020 team. Nice commitment to the 25+ kids who stuck with him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a call to all Madlax Parents. We as a group from 2017 down to 2024 need to do something to clean up the image of our owner. I was at a college game the other day and was talking to a Dad of a U9 age player. He asked me about my son and who he played for in the summer. I told him Madlax and we have played there for a number of years. His first sentence was "is that the club with the owner and the email." I spent the next 5 mins in line talking him down and explaining why this story is still out there at all times. At the time of the email when the owner decided to say nothing and hope it just went away I new it was a bad idea. And now what 4 years or even 5 years later its still on the mind of a U9 dad. I explained to him that the other coaches in this program are all great guys who know the game as well as anyone. And I explained the other side of the email story that was not posted on the site. All must remember that the deadspin article only had the emails from our owner to him. They left out all emails and phone calls from this father back to him. But I move on. This issue needs to have a end. How it ends I do not know. I am aware this gives a opening for the others to chime in and call the owner all kinds of names. But us Madlax parents need to be proactive in talking up letting people now we are still the best option in NOVA emails or not.

This might be the saddest post ever. Let's tackle it one at a time.

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I have a call to all Madlax Parents. We as a group from 2017 down to 2024 need to do something to clean up the image of our owner.

Think about what you are typing. If you have to rally Madlax parents via the Internet in order to disguise/clean up the image of the owner you give your money to, what does that really say about him (as well as you?)

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I spent the next 5 mins in line talking him down and explaining why this story is still out there at all times.

The story is out there because this is not an isolated episode. He has does this via phone, text, email, and in person many times. I know families with multiple kids and chose to withdraw one kid and leave one kid with Madlax because they thought it was the best for both kids, and the owner kicked out the other kid, leaving the family scrambling. You want that person to play for Madlax because it makes you feel better about the choice you made.

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I explained to him that the other coaches in this program are all great guys who know the game as well as anyone.

I'm sure Madlax has some great coaches; so do other clubs. Does that somehow obscure the fact that the owner THREATENS kids and parents who leave? I mean, who does that?

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And I explained the other side of the email story that was not posted on the site. All must remember that the deadspin article only had the emails from our owner to him. They left out all emails and phone calls from this father back to him.

Even if the family was loathsome, nothing justifies threatening people, encouraging Madlax kids to take it out on the kid, threatening to call Landon (as if that would do anything), etc. Nothing justifies that.

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But us Madlax parents need to be proactive in talking up letting people now we are still the best option in NOVA emails or not.

How about you let people reach out to YOU to ask your opinion? Or let people make up their own minds.

Some people apparently are willing to hold their nose and give this guy their money. Everyone should do what they think is best. But in terms of cost, Madlax is 50% more for no reason, so some people don't like that. Some people are focused on clubs like Blackwolf and VLC which have just as good, if not better, college placement, so some people are not going to play for Madlax.

The guy treats people like dirt. Your call if you want to support that.

And this my friends is a example of the people I am talking about. They are going out of there way to talk anyone and everyone out of playing for Madlax. Hence why I asked the Madlax parents to be proactive in defending the club. If there was not guys like this guy Madlax parents would not have to be proactive in there support. And to his statement about VLC and Blackwolf these clubs are no where near choir boys with how there owners act and behave on the side lines and on the practice fields. So as a Madlax parent I will own we have the craziest owner but for any VLC or Blackwolf parent to try and say they are playing for the POPE I call full BS. These are the top three programs in NOVA and the best kids should and will play for them. I am fine with Madlax being the third at some ages out of these three clubs. But I can not and should not just let people just bash and bash a complete club because a crazy dad new the Deadspin email address.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about the owner this past spring very actively recruiting the Next Level team players en masse to defect to his 2020 team after he had already selected his 2020 team. Nice commitment to the 25+ kids who stuck with him.

Madlax has 3 tryouts a year everyone on Madlax knows they are always and should always be looking to improve the teams. That is why I picked Madlax. They just do not stick with a kid for 4 years because the dad is nice and helps bring snacks for the game. Once again this is all written out on the website no smoke and mirrors.

Madlax also has a dad coaching his own son's team. That is ridiculous.

And it's one thing to always be trying to improve the team. It's another to be texting players (not parents), especially after they've opted not to play for Madlax. Yet another lunatic move by the owner (and it wasn't just NL kids).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And this my friends is a example of the people I am talking about. They are going out of there way to talk anyone and everyone out of playing for Madlax. Hence why I asked the Madlax parents to be proactive in defending the club. If there was not guys like this guy Madlax parents would not have to be proactive in there support. And to his statement about VLC and Blackwolf these clubs are no where near choir boys with how there owners act and behave on the side lines and on the practice fields. So as a Madlax parent I will own we have the craziest owner but for any VLC or Blackwolf parent to try and say they are playing for the POPE I call full BS. These are the top three programs in NOVA and the best kids should and will play for them. I am fine with Madlax being the third at some ages out of these three clubs. But I can not and should not just let people just bash and bash a complete club because a crazy dad new the Deadspin email address.

Are you serious????

Nobody is going out of their way spreading rumors or propaganda against Madlax. If a parent asks me what I think of the club, I give my honest answer. There aren't parents of other clubs walking around HoCo or rec leagues saying "pssst ... Madlax sucks and the owner is an egomaniac who only cares about furthering his business and interests".

My son plays for a different club, but I know several parents and kids who play on 2020 or have played with Madlax in the past. If you think Madlax is the best fit for your kid, good for you and more power to you. I chose not to give my money to the club, for reasons many have written here in the past. The current actions of the owner also speaks volume, but if you want to spin it as it was better for the club to not play in HoCo cause of these play dates go for it. All I hear is frustration and lots of questions ... I'm sure turnover will be coming in the Fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has a dad coaching his own son's team. That is ridiculous.

And it's one thing to always be trying to improve the team. It's another to be texting players (not parents), especially after they've opted not to play for Madlax. Yet another lunatic move by the owner (and it wasn't just NL kids).

Yeah, Madlax is fond of Instagram and direct messages to recruit ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has a dad coaching his own son's team. That is ridiculous.

And it's one thing to always be trying to improve the team. It's another to be texting players (not parents), especially after they've opted not to play for Madlax. Yet another lunatic move by the owner (and it wasn't just NL kids).

He is coaching his kids on a 2024 team. How many Dads on this site have coached there sons team at this age? I am guessing tons. And I am sure the parents on the 2020 team where pushing him to improve the talent on the Madlax 2020 team. So I am guessing they like he was trying hard to full fill his promise of a top 5 Team in the country.

Cabell Maddox is a bad guy. We all get that. HOWEVER...

VLC's owner is the most vile person in youth sports. He's profane, arrogant and vindictive. He's also the guy who single handedly steered the NPYLL league and Aloha/Crabs tournaments to be the first non-US lacrosse sanctioned lacrosse league and events, which opened the floodgates to serial reclassifying. Crabs basically pioneered the holdback game and their owner is a notorious poacher of other club team players and is a ruthless negative recruiter with to anyone after a kid/family leave his organization. Our family experienced watching his overloading the whole Madlax kid defecting to VLC drama...all over what was adding a very average player to a loaded VLC team with a side deal to hype the kid and get him committed.

Blackwolf -- how many Blackwolf parents actually personally like and respect Trig? None I've known and I've known dozens. Most families stay te course with Blackwolf because they promote kids to colleges well.

Next Level -- Dave's good people and he's a good coach. I hope NL parents have the sense to stay on and trust he will get it done.

3d -- love all the anti Spencer and Steven cheap shots. Ya, everyone HATES those guys. Everybody except the 3d families who have had their kids learn from these two guys who are good guys and deal straight with people. They're also the most accomplished and knowledgeable lacrosse people in the area. Try me again, where were Trig, Ryan and Cabell D1 AAs and also MLL All Stars? Kind of pathetic mommies and daddies postin here would talk some smack on them. But wait...Spencer used to coach Crabs and a few moms didn't like it wen he yelled at their snowflakes! My dear, the trauma! The humanity!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell Maddox is a bad guy. We all get that. HOWEVER...

VLC's owner is the most vile person in youth sports. He's profane, arrogant and vindictive. He's also the guy who single handedly steered the NPYLL league and Aloha/Crabs tournaments to be the first non-US lacrosse sanctioned lacrosse league and events, which opened the floodgates to serial reclassifying. Crabs basically pioneered the holdback game and their owner is a notorious poacher of other club team players and is a ruthless negative recruiter with to anyone after a kid/family leave his organization. Our family experienced watching his overloading the whole Madlax kid defecting to VLC drama...all over what was adding a very average player to a loaded VLC team with a side deal to hype the kid and get him committed.

Blackwolf -- how many Blackwolf parents actually personally like and respect Trig? None I've known and I've known dozens. Most families stay te course with Blackwolf because they promote kids to colleges well.

Next Level -- Dave's good people and he's a good coach. I hope NL parents have the sense to stay on and trust he will get it done.

3d -- love all the anti Spencer and Steven cheap shots. Ya, everyone HATES those guys. Everybody except the 3d families who have had their kids learn from these two guys who are good guys and deal straight with people. They're also the most accomplished and knowledgeable lacrosse people in the area. Try me again, where were Trig, Ryan and Cabell D1 AAs and also MLL All Stars? Kind of pathetic mommies and daddies postin here would talk some smack on them. But wait...Spencer used to coach Crabs and a few moms didn't like it wen he yelled at their snowflakes! My dear, the trauma! The humanity!

Love how you conveniently inter mix coaches and owners just to take a shot at VLC. Nice. Very few people at VLC get to know Ryan, let alone care about what he does with the Crabs.

Ryan only collects the checks from VLC. That club has some good teams, but has faded out. The 2015 team was phenomenal. The 2017 team started out phenomenal until families stated leaving when King Crab's ugly influence started coming down. The better local clubs are developing youth players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has a dad coaching his own son's team. That is ridiculous.

And it's one thing to always be trying to improve the team. It's another to be texting players (not parents), especially after they've opted not to play for Madlax. Yet another lunatic move by the owner (and it wasn't just NL kids).

Yeah, Madlax is fond of Instagram and direct messages to recruit ...

Who said anything about Insta or DMs? The owner texts kids who opt for other teams. It's only thing to bad mouth other clubs via text. It's a really creepy thing to text children trying to convince them to play for Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has a dad coaching his own son's team. That is ridiculous.

And it's one thing to always be trying to improve the team. It's another to be texting players (not parents), especially after they've opted not to play for Madlax. Yet another lunatic move by the owner (and it wasn't just NL kids).

Yeah, Madlax is fond of Instagram and direct messages to recruit ...

Who said anything about Insta or DMs? The owner texts kids who opt for other teams. It's only thing to bad mouth other clubs via text. It's a really creepy thing to text children trying to convince them to play for Madlax.

I was not there but the only way he could of got the kids personal phone numbers is if the parents put those numbers on the tryout form. So if your child got a text from him is there a chance he thought it was a parent he was texting?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has a dad coaching his own son's team. That is ridiculous.

And it's one thing to always be trying to improve the team. It's another to be texting players (not parents), especially after they've opted not to play for Madlax. Yet another lunatic move by the owner (and it wasn't just NL kids).

Yeah, Madlax is fond of Instagram and direct messages to recruit ...

Who said anything about Insta or DMs? The owner texts kids who opt for other teams. It's only thing to bad mouth other clubs via text. It's a really creepy thing to text children trying to convince them to play for Madlax.

I was not there but the only way he could of got the kids personal phone numbers is if the parents put those numbers on the tryout form. So if your child got a text from him is there a chance he thought it was a parent he was texting?

Also kids this age are calling college coaches and talking about this early verbal commits. But a club coach can not text these same kids???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also kids this age are calling college coaches and talking about this early verbal commits. But a club coach can not text these same kids???

Wow. Are you saying it's ok for a grown adult to text KIDS asking them to come play for him? Especially kids who went to his tryout and decided to play elsewhere?

Now I understand why you have no problem paying/playing for that guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also kids this age are calling college coaches and talking about this early verbal commits. But a club coach can not text these same kids???

Wow. Are you saying it's ok for a grown adult to text KIDS asking them to come play for him? Especially kids who went to his tryout and decided to play elsewhere?

Now I understand why you have no problem paying/playing for that guy.

I guess I would not judge tell I read the texts. And you never answered the other question about how he got the kids phone numbers. If you give him a phone number the assumption is it will be used to contact you. I guess my opinion will be based on what he wrote and did he know it was the kid not the parents number.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also kids this age are calling college coaches and talking about this early verbal commits. But a club coach can not text these same kids???

Wow. Are you saying it's ok for a grown adult to text KIDS asking them to come play for him? Especially kids who went to his tryout and decided to play elsewhere?

Now I understand why you have no problem paying/playing for that guy.

I guess I would not judge tell I read the texts. And you never answered the other question about how he got the kids phone numbers. If you give him a phone number the assumption is it will be used to contact you. I guess my opinion will be based on what he wrote and did he know it was the kid not the parents number.

No parent is filling out registrations and putting their kid's phone number. I don't know anything about this situation, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to ask little Jimmy for little Timmy's phone number. Regardless of how the number was obtained. It's inappropriate.

I just realized reading all this that the MadLax parents are caught in a pyramid scheme and they are trying to get us all to buy in. Now it makes total sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also kids this age are calling college coaches and talking about this early verbal commits. But a club coach can not text these same kids???

Wow. Are you saying it's ok for a grown adult to text KIDS asking them to come play for him? Especially kids who went to his tryout and decided to play elsewhere?

Now I understand why you have no problem paying/playing for that guy.

I guess I would not judge tell I read the texts. And you never answered the other question about how he got the kids phone numbers. If you give him a phone number the assumption is it will be used to contact you. I guess my opinion will be based on what he wrote and did he know it was the kid not the parents number.

No parent is filling out registrations and putting their kid's phone number. I don't know anything about this situation, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to ask little Jimmy for little Timmy's phone number. Regardless of how the number was obtained. It's inappropriate.

Well these are all good questions. But until they are answered you can not expect people to kill a guy for something we know 1/3 of the story if that much. And if this is like most rumors its starting with one kid one text and now its 10 kids and 100 texts at 12am.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell Maddox is a bad guy. We all get that. HOWEVER...

VLC's owner is the most vile person in youth sports. He's profane, arrogant and vindictive. He's also the guy who single handedly steered the NPYLL league and Aloha/Crabs tournaments to be the first non-US lacrosse sanctioned lacrosse league and events, which opened the floodgates to serial reclassifying. Crabs basically pioneered the holdback game and their owner is a notorious poacher of other club team players and is a ruthless negative recruiter with to anyone after a kid/family leave his organization. Our family experienced watching his overloading the whole Madlax kid defecting to VLC drama...all over what was adding a very average player to a loaded VLC team with a side deal to hype the kid and get him committed.

Blackwolf -- how many Blackwolf parents actually personally like and respect Trig? None I've known and I've known dozens. Most families stay te course with Blackwolf because they promote kids to colleges well.

Next Level -- Dave's good people and he's a good coach. I hope NL parents have the sense to stay on and trust he will get it done.

3d -- love all the anti Spencer and Steven cheap shots. Ya, everyone HATES those guys. Everybody except the 3d families who have had their kids learn from these two guys who are good guys and deal straight with people. They're also the most accomplished and knowledgeable lacrosse people in the area. Try me again, where were Trig, Ryan and Cabell D1 AAs and also MLL All Stars? Kind of pathetic mommies and daddies postin here would talk some smack on them. But wait...Spencer used to coach Crabs and a few moms didn't like it wen he yelled at their snowflakes! My dear, the trauma! The humanity!

Thank you 3D Apologist for your response. To answer your questions, VLC barely (if ever) sees or hears from Ryan M. He may own VLC, but he doesn't dictate the day to day operations, coaching, etc. Coach Lew for 2020 is excellent, and has a proven track record coaching lacrosse. Oh, and if getting recruited to play at UVA is "average" then I guess every single parent on this board is pining for their son to be just "average". Where do the "excellent" kids commit and play?

As for Trig, you can love or hate him - but you know what you're getting. For every parent you talk to that says he was/is an [lacrosse], I can also say you'll find a like minded group of parents and kids who he coached say it was the best experience of their life.

NL - good club, good coaching, good place for youth to play

3D - the coaching staff has good pedigrees, but that doesn't mean they can coach and win. I've never met them, they could be wonderful people. But I do know their 2020 mid atlantic team is 0-4 without much left to play for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell Maddox is a bad guy. We all get that. HOWEVER...

VLC's owner is the most vile person in youth sports. He's profane, arrogant and vindictive. He's also the guy who single handedly steered the NPYLL league and Aloha/Crabs tournaments to be the first non-US lacrosse sanctioned lacrosse league and events, which opened the floodgates to serial reclassifying. Crabs basically pioneered the holdback game and their owner is a notorious poacher of other club team players and is a ruthless negative recruiter with to anyone after a kid/family leave his organization. Our family experienced watching his overloading the whole Madlax kid defecting to VLC drama...all over what was adding a very average player to a loaded VLC team with a side deal to hype the kid and get him committed.

Blackwolf -- how many Blackwolf parents actually personally like and respect Trig? None I've known and I've known dozens. Most families stay te course with Blackwolf because they promote kids to colleges well.

Next Level -- Dave's good people and he's a good coach. I hope NL parents have the sense to stay on and trust he will get it done.

3d -- love all the anti Spencer and Steven cheap shots. Ya, everyone HATES those guys. Everybody except the 3d families who have had their kids learn from these two guys who are good guys and deal straight with people. They're also the most accomplished and knowledgeable lacrosse people in the area. Try me again, where were Trig, Ryan and Cabell D1 AAs and also MLL All Stars? Kind of pathetic mommies and daddies postin here would talk some smack on them. But wait...Spencer used to coach Crabs and a few moms didn't like it wen he yelled at their snowflakes! My dear, the trauma! The humanity!

Thank you 3D Apologist for your response. To answer your questions, VLC barely (if ever) sees or hears from Ryan M. He may own VLC, but he doesn't dictate the day to day operations, coaching, etc. Coach Lew for 2020 is excellent, and has a proven track record coaching lacrosse. Oh, and if getting recruited to play at UVA is "average" then I guess every single parent on this board is pining for their son to be just "average". Where do the "excellent" kids commit and play?

As for Trig, you can love or hate him - but you know what you're getting. For every parent you talk to that says he was/is an [lacrosse], I can also say you'll find a like minded group of parents and kids who he coached say it was the best experience of their life.

NL - good club, good coaching, good place for youth to play

3D - the coaching staff has good pedigrees, but that doesn't mean they can coach and win. I've never met them, they could be wonderful people. But I do know their 2020 mid atlantic team is 0-4 without much left to play for.

I got it. We can just talk the Madlax owner into just taking our money and remove himself from the DAY TO DAY and we will be wiped clean of all his pasted mistakes. We just need 1 great coach to replace him on the sidelines and we moved forward.

Former Baltimore parent who moved the family down to DC 4 years ago. Can tell you that nobody is disliked in MD club lax circles more that Spencer Ford, and it's not just Crabs parents. He has been fired from multiple clubs for the abuse he hurls towards kids, officials, opposing coaches, etc. You may tolerate him like the Madlax people tolerate that owner, but he is not a good guy.

Son didn't play for him, but I've seen Trig. I don't care for his style, but plenty of people like him.

Heard about the Madlax guy when we moved down here and nothing I've seen has made me think the stories aren't true.

Kind of weird the guy above talks about the 3d guys' playing credentials. Last I saw, the best coaches were not necessarily the best players.

Spencer Ford is a hot, steaming pile

Common theme with the Ford bashing....always someone associated with Crabs. You don't read 3D parents trashing and ranting. Or the Crsbs dad who moved his family all the way down the 495 to DC to find bromance with Trig. There are Blackwolf parents who admire Trig? That's funny.

If I were in the lacrosse industry and Ryan McClernan loathed me, I'd wear that as a badge of honor. I guess Ford being one of the most respected MLL executives and coaches doesn't mean anything either and McClernan could do that if he felt like it.

We've had a good experience at 3d - haven't witnessed any of the behavior mentioned in the above post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We've had a good experience at 3d - haven't witnessed any of the behavior mentioned in the above post.

I have not heard anything bad about 3D with there coaches or owners behaviors. But I have head the cost is on par or More then Madlax when you brake it down. And I see with my own eyes that the teams are avg to blow avg. And they are not playing in the top tournaments. Which is a big deal when they are 8-11th grade.

So I've heard all of this before. Since Steven and Spencer are both affiliated with the MLL, they have an absurd number of connections to college coaches and especially the assistants which many also play in the MLL.

If there was a school we were interested in, it was highly likely one of them knew the coach. The Bayhawks alone probably have half a dozen assistant coaches playing. Spencer would put in a call and more times than not that coach would find us during the summer, so yea, I agree 3d isn't always in the best tournaments (although they are still good), but I found that it didn't matter. Furthermore, there are plenty of opportunities to play on National teams that do play in the top tourneys.

When we were with a club that went to better tournaments, the coach never once picked up the phone on our behalf (and my son was a starter). For us, the level of advocacy we got at 3d justified the price. They will also work with you on the costs.

... I'd say being recruited by UVA is pretty average these days. Great school but the lacrosse program is yesteryear's darling. VLC didn't move the earth to sell the club's soul to poach a very average player and get same player committed to UVA. That sounds like the same middle aged guy who thinks chicks dig his Corvette.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So I've heard all of this before. Since Steven and Spencer are both affiliated with the MLL, they have an absurd number of connections to college coaches and especially the assistants which many also play in the MLL.

If there was a school we were interested in, it was highly likely one of them knew the coach. The Bayhawks alone probably have half a dozen assistant coaches playing. Spencer would put in a call and more times than not that coach would find us during the summer, so yea, I agree 3d isn't always in the best tournaments (although they are still good), but I found that it didn't matter. Furthermore, there are plenty of opportunities to play on National teams that do play in the top tourneys.

When we were with a club that went to better tournaments, the coach never once picked up the phone on our behalf (and my son was a starter). For us, the level of advocacy we got at 3d justified the price. They will also work with you on the costs.

Well this sounds like the old if you are good enough they will find you speech. Which I think is 95% correct. As for the picking up the phone and calling the coach story. Did you ask the old club to call this school for you. Or should club coaches be cold calling all schools they think your son is good enough to play for. I am guessing all top 5 clubs in va the owners/coaches will call any school you ask them to. If they think your son is good enough to play there. That is the big IF. If your son is a D3 player and you ask the coach/owner to call a top 10 D1 school about your son should they make the call? I think the best rule of thumb is if your son is not clearly in the top 5% of players in his class. You as a parent need to be very proactive in the process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So I've heard all of this before. Since Steven and Spencer are both affiliated with the MLL, they have an absurd number of connections to college coaches and especially the assistants which many also play in the MLL.

If there was a school we were interested in, it was highly likely one of them knew the coach. The Bayhawks alone probably have half a dozen assistant coaches playing. Spencer would put in a call and more times than not that coach would find us during the summer, so yea, I agree 3d isn't always in the best tournaments (although they are still good), but I found that it didn't matter. Furthermore, there are plenty of opportunities to play on National teams that do play in the top tourneys.

When we were with a club that went to better tournaments, the coach never once picked up the phone on our behalf (and my son was a starter). For us, the level of advocacy we got at 3d justified the price. They will also work with you on the costs.

Well this sounds like the old if you are good enough they will find you speech. Which I think is 95% correct. As for the picking up the phone and calling the coach story. Did you ask the old club to call this school for you. Or should club coaches be cold calling all schools they think your son is good enough to play for. I am guessing all top 5 clubs in va the owners/coaches will call any school you ask them to. If they think your son is good enough to play there. That is the big IF. If your son is a D3 player and you ask the coach/owner to call a top 10 D1 school about your son should they make the call? I think the best rule of thumb is if your son is not clearly in the top 5% of players in his class. You as a parent need to be very proactive in the process.

You can spin what I say any way you'd like. I'm simply stating that for us, the level of support we got from these guys was way beyond what we got at other clubs - partly due to their personal relationships with many of the coaches. They also followed up to get feedback from the coaches they knew. Again, not something we experienced from other top clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... I'd say being recruited by UVA is pretty average these days. Great school but the lacrosse program is yesteryear's darling. VLC didn't move the earth to sell the club's soul to poach a very average player and get same player committed to UVA. That sounds like the same middle aged guy who thinks chicks dig his Corvette.

Ummm, chick's do dig my Vette.

Is it red?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So I've heard all of this before. Since Steven and Spencer are both affiliated with the MLL, they have an absurd number of connections to college coaches and especially the assistants which many also play in the MLL.

If there was a school we were interested in, it was highly likely one of them knew the coach. The Bayhawks alone probably have half a dozen assistant coaches playing. Spencer would put in a call and more times than not that coach would find us during the summer, so yea, I agree 3d isn't always in the best tournaments (although they are still good), but I found that it didn't matter. Furthermore, there are plenty of opportunities to play on National teams that do play in the top tourneys.

When we were with a club that went to better tournaments, the coach never once picked up the phone on our behalf (and my son was a starter). For us, the level of advocacy we got at 3d justified the price. They will also work with you on the costs.

Well this sounds like the old if you are good enough they will find you speech. Which I think is 95% correct. As for the picking up the phone and calling the coach story. Did you ask the old club to call this school for you. Or should club coaches be cold calling all schools they think your son is good enough to play for. I am guessing all top 5 clubs in va the owners/coaches will call any school you ask them to. If they think your son is good enough to play there. That is the big IF. If your son is a D3 player and you ask the coach/owner to call a top 10 D1 school about your son should they make the call? I think the best rule of thumb is if your son is not clearly in the top 5% of players in his class. You as a parent need to be very proactive in the process.

You can spin what I say any way you'd like. I'm simply stating that for us, the level of support we got from these guys was way beyond what we got at other clubs - partly due to their personal relationships with many of the coaches. They also followed up to get feedback from the coaches they knew. Again, not something we experienced from other top clubs.

You can call it spinning all you want and I am sure they where great to your son. But just by your timeline I am guessing he was younger when he played for the other team. All these owners/coaches want the players to be on the best college team they can play for. Even if its for evil reasons like MONEY for the club with more kids to name on the website. In the end they want each kid to be on a college team. But do you want your son on the UVA roster if his skill is more D2 level? Also the coach can not lie about your son and his skill. This does no one any good in the long run.

There is the 800 lb gorilla in the room now. Umm, have you seen UVA in the recent couple of years? Basically they have a few stars and then 40 kids who should be, as you wrote, playing D2. If the 3d coaches are pitching in for their kids, does anyone see that as a snake oil sales job versus, oh I don't know, Trig then Cabell then whomever the mouth is at VLC selling the next 7th grader in line who can catch and throw? Overselling is a staple of club lacrosse in every club. Wake up. That's the tuition value proposition they all sell. The list of dozens of Crabs, Madlax and Blackwolf kids who committed early and have no chance of ever seeing the field at a D1 program grows by another dozen every summer. We all know that. If anyone thinks their grade based middle school club teams are so wonderful that they have players all over the field who should be early recruits, that is nuts. The college coaches who pioneered this are one by one going to lost their jobs very soon.

I agree and here is why

While I do not have a boyfriend, I do have a friend who is homosexual and I once asked him "Do you ever think about having sex with me because you are [lacrosse]?" to which he replied "Do you ever think about having sex with Rosie O'Donnell because you are straight? Same thing."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is the 800 lb gorilla in the room now. Umm, have you seen UVA in the recent couple of years? Basically they have a few stars and then 40 kids who should be, as you wrote, playing D2. If the 3d coaches are pitching in for their kids, does anyone see that as a snake oil sales job versus, oh I don't know, Trig then Cabell then whomever the mouth is at VLC selling the next 7th grader in line who can catch and throw? Overselling is a staple of club lacrosse in every club. Wake up. That's the tuition value proposition they all sell. The list of dozens of Crabs, Madlax and Blackwolf kids who committed early and have no chance of ever seeing the field at a D1 program grows by another dozen every summer. We all know that. If anyone thinks their grade based middle school club teams are so wonderful that they have players all over the field who should be early recruits, that is nuts. The college coaches who pioneered this are one by one going to lost their jobs very soon.

This is about the dumbest post I have ever read. Just watching the Big10 semi games last night the field was covered in Blackwolf and Crabs players. Heck there was even a Cavalier Lacrosse alum blowing it up for Rutgers. Please don't try and lesson the experience of kids who have worked hard to play in D1 by throwing out complete buuullshit so you can rationalize to your son why he isn't good enough to play D1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is the 800 lb gorilla in the room now. Umm, have you seen UVA in the recent couple of years? Basically they have a few stars and then 40 kids who should be, as you wrote, playing D2. If the 3d coaches are pitching in for their kids, does anyone see that as a snake oil sales job versus, oh I don't know, Trig then Cabell then whomever the mouth is at VLC selling the next 7th grader in line who can catch and throw? Overselling is a staple of club lacrosse in every club. Wake up. That's the tuition value proposition they all sell. The list of dozens of Crabs, Madlax and Blackwolf kids who committed early and have no chance of ever seeing the field at a D1 program grows by another dozen every summer. We all know that. If anyone thinks their grade based middle school club teams are so wonderful that they have players all over the field who should be early recruits, that is nuts. The college coaches who pioneered this are one by one going to lost their jobs very soon.

If you think the 2018 and 2019 Madlax early commits to JHU attack man where over sold you are blind as a bat these two are top five overall players in there class. The early commits from Madlax are worthy of there early commit. I think the coaches at a club like 3D mid Atlantic need to push kids to levels they really should not be playing to increase there name brand. Because the new parents never research past the list of past kids and where they went to school. None ever look to see if they ever played or stayed or if they should of played at the school from the list. I for sure think the cold call from a club coach is the most over blown part of this process. The college coaches call these top clubs and ask them for a list of positions and names of kids they should look out for. And these top clubs are at the big tournaments so these coaches can see for there selves and they will ask more questions after they see a kid play with there own eyes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is the 800 lb gorilla in the room now. Umm, have you seen UVA in the recent couple of years? Basically they have a few stars and then 40 kids who should be, as you wrote, playing D2. If the 3d coaches are pitching in for their kids, does anyone see that as a snake oil sales job versus, oh I don't know, Trig then Cabell then whomever the mouth is at VLC selling the next 7th grader in line who can catch and throw? Overselling is a staple of club lacrosse in every club. Wake up. That's the tuition value proposition they all sell. The list of dozens of Crabs, Madlax and Blackwolf kids who committed early and have no chance of ever seeing the field at a D1 program grows by another dozen every summer. We all know that. If anyone thinks their grade based middle school club teams are so wonderful that they have players all over the field who should be early recruits, that is nuts. The college coaches who pioneered this are one by one going to lost their jobs very soon.

If you think the 2018 and 2019 Madlax early commits to JHU attack man where over sold you are blind as a bat these two are top five overall players in there class. The early commits from Madlax are worthy of there early commit. I think the coaches at a club like 3D mid Atlantic need to push kids to levels they really should not be playing to increase there name brand. Because the new parents never research past the list of past kids and where they went to school. None ever look to see if they ever played or stayed or if they should of played at the school from the list. I for sure think the cold call from a club coach is the most over blown part of this process. The college coaches call these top clubs and ask them for a list of positions and names of kids they should look out for. And these top clubs are at the big tournaments so these coaches can see for there selves and they will ask more questions after they see a kid play with there own eyes.

Please form a coherent thought. Geeesh, what are they teaching you boys at Landon.

Is early recruiting to blame for what is happening at UVA? I'm not sure when early recruiting started, but my guess is some of the 2017, 2018 and 2019 kids who committed before they even played a single game of HS varsity lacrosse are going to be mistakes. And I'm not talking about the madlax JHU commits mentioned above so calm down. But my guess is that some of the kids who committed early are not playing HS lacrosse as well as they did 8th grade club. Maybe that's a risk college coaches are willing to take.

Look at the UVA roster of IAC, WCAC grads. Most played for Crabs, Blackwolf or Madlax. Now consider ONE of them plays some. Jack Falk...who is a real talent albeit a guy with unfortunate injuries. Then ONE kid who gets some face offs and did well...he WAS NOT RECRUITED AT ALL TO UVA AND WAS A TRANSFER WALK ON. Now count the rest...bench splinters in every other [lacrosse]. Long row of never played never will play unless it is UVA 19 - VMI 2. Varsity letter day.

Now look at the Hopkins roster. ONE MIAA kid (Fields) playing. Long row of benchers and several kids who couldn't cut it and just quit before the season even started (what's the Landon all-world goalie up to now??). Maryland has two kids from the DMV club scence cabal playing. An SSSAS kid who is going great and a MoCo public school kid who plays a little. Again, long row of DMV scene grads who warm that bench up real nice, including your all-world Met POY from last year.

Tearing it up?!? You're tearing me up with laughter. There might be 5 kids in the recruiting pipeline 2016-2019 now from Madlax, Crabs and BW who will feel a blade of field grass below their feet in a D1 program. That's not what a lacrosse mom or dad wants to hear -- but it is true. DMV lacrosse is vastly overrated and the college coaches who relied too heavily on it are already regretting it. And yes, I did play in college and I also have ex-college mates who are D1 assistants. They have absolutely nothing to say when guys like me tease on it...because I'm right. Calm down a little and let your sons develop and be happy. Whether or not they belong on a high level college field someday won't evidence itself until they are HS seniors. Back in the day -- you all of maybe 10 years ago -- that is wha it looked like and coaches used to recruit based on that. Nothin has changed except some coaches like Petro and Starsia have been fools, and now they are startin to pay the price for it in terms of perfrmance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the UVA roster of IAC, WCAC grads. Most played for Crabs, Blackwolf or Madlax. Now consider ONE of them plays some. Jack Falk...who is a real talent albeit a guy with unfortunate injuries. Then ONE kid who gets some face offs and did well...he WAS NOT RECRUITED AT ALL TO UVA AND WAS A TRANSFER WALK ON. Now count the rest...bench splinters in every other [lacrosse]. Long row of never played never will play unless it is UVA 19 - VMI 2. Varsity letter day.

Now look at the Hopkins roster. ONE MIAA kid (Fields) playing. Long row of benchers and several kids who couldn't cut it and just quit before the season even started (what's the Landon all-world goalie up to now??). Maryland has two kids from the DMV club scence cabal playing. An SSSAS kid who is going great and a MoCo public school kid who plays a little. Again, long row of DMV scene grads who warm that bench up real nice, including your all-world Met POY from last year.

Tearing it up?!? You're tearing me up with laughter. There might be 5 kids in the recruiting pipeline 2016-2019 now from Madlax, Crabs and BW who will feel a blade of field grass below their feet in a D1 program. That's not what a lacrosse mom or dad wants to hear -- but it is true. DMV lacrosse is vastly overrated and the college coaches who relied too heavily on it are already regretting it. And yes, I did play in college and I also have ex-college mates who are D1 assistants. They have absolutely nothing to say when guys like me tease on it...because I'm right. Calm down a little and let your sons develop and be happy. Whether or not they belong on a high level college field someday won't evidence itself until they are HS seniors. Back in the day -- you all of maybe 10 years ago -- that is wha it looked like and coaches used to recruit based on that. Nothin has changed except some coaches like Petro and Starsia have been fools, and now they are startin to pay the price for it in terms of perfrmance.

Do you even watch Hopkins or MD play??
Hopkins starters from MIAA ..Brown A, Stanwich A, Bruno SSDM, Moreland FO , Guys that get playing time from MIAA ,,Valis M , Black M, and their starting goalie is a Hereford grad from MD...Fields wasnt even in the MIAA ?? But was from MD/DC area school.

Maryland doesnt have as many MIAA starters but does have,, Heacock A, Dunn D, Pons D, and from DC/V Maltz, Allen

Not sure why they are laughing and saying it is overarted when it has produced this many starters for just these two top teams . Maybe we should laugh at their ignorance??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the UVA roster of IAC, WCAC grads. Most played for Crabs, Blackwolf or Madlax. Now consider ONE of them plays some. Jack Falk...who is a real talent albeit a guy with unfortunate injuries. Then ONE kid who gets some face offs and did well...he WAS NOT RECRUITED AT ALL TO UVA AND WAS A TRANSFER WALK ON. Now count the rest...bench splinters in every other [lacrosse]. Long row of never played never will play unless it is UVA 19 - VMI 2. Varsity letter day.

Now look at the Hopkins roster. ONE MIAA kid (Fields) playing. Long row of benchers and several kids who couldn't cut it and just quit before the season even started (what's the Landon all-world goalie up to now??). Maryland has two kids from the DMV club scence cabal playing. An SSSAS kid who is going great and a MoCo public school kid who plays a little. Again, long row of DMV scene grads who warm that bench up real nice, including your all-world Met POY from last year.

Tearing it up?!? You're tearing me up with laughter. There might be 5 kids in the recruiting pipeline 2016-2019 now from Madlax, Crabs and BW who will feel a blade of field grass below their feet in a D1 program. That's not what a lacrosse mom or dad wants to hear -- but it is true. DMV lacrosse is vastly overrated and the college coaches who relied too heavily on it are already regretting it. And yes, I did play in college and I also have ex-college mates who are D1 assistants. They have absolutely nothing to say when guys like me tease on it...because I'm right. Calm down a little and let your sons develop and be happy. Whether or not they belong on a high level college field someday won't evidence itself until they are HS seniors. Back in the day -- you all of maybe 10 years ago -- that is wha it looked like and coaches used to recruit based on that. Nothin has changed except some coaches like Petro and Starsia have been fools, and now they are startin to pay the price for it in terms of perfrmance.

All I want you to do is look at the pure number of high school boys playing lacrosse in the NY/NJ area. I am guessing but it has to be 7 to 1 if not higher. So like all stats you need to give all the numbers not just count kids on the top team. If you have 100,000 playing in one county in NY.NJ and you have 100,000 kids playing in NOVA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the UVA roster of IAC, WCAC grads. Most played for Crabs, Blackwolf or Madlax. Now consider ONE of them plays some. Jack Falk...who is a real talent albeit a guy with unfortunate injuries. Then ONE kid who gets some face offs and did well...he WAS NOT RECRUITED AT ALL TO UVA AND WAS A TRANSFER WALK ON. Now count the rest...bench splinters in every other [lacrosse]. Long row of never played never will play unless it is UVA 19 - VMI 2. Varsity letter day.

Now look at the Hopkins roster. ONE MIAA kid (Fields) playing. Long row of benchers and several kids who couldn't cut it and just quit before the season even started (what's the Landon all-world goalie up to now??). Maryland has two kids from the DMV club scence cabal playing. An SSSAS kid who is going great and a MoCo public school kid who plays a little. Again, long row of DMV scene grads who warm that bench up real nice, including your all-world Met POY from last year.

Tearing it up?!? You're tearing me up with laughter. There might be 5 kids in the recruiting pipeline 2016-2019 now from Madlax, Crabs and BW who will feel a blade of field grass below their feet in a D1 program. That's not what a lacrosse mom or dad wants to hear -- but it is true. DMV lacrosse is vastly overrated and the college coaches who relied too heavily on it are already regretting it. And yes, I did play in college and I also have ex-college mates who are D1 assistants. They have absolutely nothing to say when guys like me tease on it...because I'm right. Calm down a little and let your sons develop and be happy. Whether or not they belong on a high level college field someday won't evidence itself until they are HS seniors. Back in the day -- you all of maybe 10 years ago -- that is wha it looked like and coaches used to recruit based on that. Nothin has changed except some coaches like Petro and Starsia have been fools, and now they are startin to pay the price for it in terms of perfrmance.

Dude, we get it. You are a classic hater. Your son didn't get recruited and you trying to put down everyone else to make yourself feel better. Your son is just as good as every starter and way better than the bench on any D1 team. Petro, Tillman and Starsia can't spot talent. Your examples are wrong and you obviously don't know who is from DMV playing in college.

Keep venting, we'll keep laughing. You don't know what your talking about.

If the list were Madlax, BW and VLC the poster is spot on. Totally overrated. Balt Crabs have shown up more and better in college. Same point for IAC vs MIAA. IAC kids have rarely worked out at the next level in the recent 5-6 years. The IAC teams are good because they have 15-20 pretty good players, not because they have more than an occasional star. For prep leagues having a lot of pretty good kids makes a top team. My kids are older and my oldest is finishing his college career this spring. A lot has changed since he was recruited and all for the worse. DC area parents just seem to forget why kids want to try sports to begin with. Here's a hint: their reason wasn't to get noticed by a college coach. Here's another hint: what's most important to parents on this board are things a middle school age kids would never come up with on their own. Let your kid enjoy sports. It goes by fast and it isn't something any kid can get back later. So get out of their way and let them do that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the list were Madlax, BW and VLC the poster is spot on. Totally overrated. Balt Crabs have shown up more and better in college. Same point for IAC vs MIAA. IAC kids have rarely worked out at the next level in the recent 5-6 years. The IAC teams are good because they have 15-20 pretty good players, not because they have more than an occasional star. For prep leagues having a lot of pretty good kids makes a top team. My kids are older and my oldest is finishing his college career this spring. A lot has changed since he was recruited and all for the worse. DC area parents just seem to forget why kids want to try sports to begin with. Here's a hint: their reason wasn't to get noticed by a college coach. Here's another hint: what's most important to parents on this board are things a middle school age kids would never come up with on their own. Let your kid enjoy sports. It goes by fast and it isn't something any kid can get back later. So get out of their way and let them do that.

Great point. Except parents up here in Baltimore have the same problem

Madlax 2020
- not playing in HoCO

Madlax 2021
- 1-4. Tied for 2nd to last place. Will not make playoffs

Madlax 2022
- 2-3. 8th place. Will not make playoffs

Madlax 2023
- 1-3. 7th place. Will not make playoffs

Madlax 2024
- 4-0. 1st place. Will make playoffs

What has happened to Madlax?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020
- not playing in HoCO

Madlax 2021
- 1-4. Tied for 2nd to last place. Will not make playoffs

Madlax 2022
- 2-3. 8th place. Will not make playoffs

Madlax 2023
- 1-3. 7th place. Will not make playoffs

Madlax 2024
- 4-0. 1st place. Will make playoffs

Did they miss the boat on the era of Holdbacks and prefirsts??
What has happened to Madlax?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020
- not playing in HoCO

Madlax 2021
- 1-4. Tied for 2nd to last place. Will not make playoffs

Madlax 2022
- 2-3. 8th place. Will not make playoffs

Madlax 2023
- 1-3. 7th place. Will not make playoffs

Madlax 2024
- 4-0. 1st place. Will make playoffs

What has happened to Madlax?

The dreaded email. Has killed the club. Or no teams from NOVA are any good at these age groups?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020
- not playing in HoCO

Madlax 2021
- 1-4. Tied for 2nd to last place. Will not make playoffs

Madlax 2022
- 2-3. 8th place. Will not make playoffs

Madlax 2023
- 1-3. 7th place. Will not make playoffs

Madlax 2024
- 4-0. 1st place. Will make playoffs

What has happened to Madlax?

Madlax 2022 will make playoffs if they beat Bethesda on Sunday.

Quantity over quality...Madlax has a ton of teams, a national network and I'm sure the revenue stream is fine. But top players in DMV are choosing other options. It is a buyers' market.....

I think you are right. BW and VLC have had superior HS teams for awhile now, but madlax had the youth market captured. But based on their 2020 and 2021 teams, that grip is slipping.

Sounds like they have a good 4th grade team but who knows if those kids stay together. Lots of options now for kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are right. BW and VLC have had superior HS teams for awhile now, but madlax had the youth market captured. But based on their 2020 and 2021 teams, that grip is slipping.

Sounds like they have a good 4th grade team but who knows if those kids stay together. Lots of options now for kids.

So that is the point you all are so proud of killing Madlax. You got your wish 5 Shi--y teams and not 2 really good ones. You win but what did you really get?

No Madlax tie here but I've seen most of the teams play.

2021 may not be a legit AA team, but then very few teams in the county are. They are a quality team.

I think 2022 is a legit AA team, but Hawks and Diamondbacks may be the best two 2022 teams in the country. Losses of 7-13 and 7-9 are hardly embarrassing. Nor is a 9-10 loss to Team (100-9) reason to panic.

Let's not touch the 2020's or we'll have 10 posts about the best players in the area consolidating to make a AA team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are right. BW and VLC have had superior HS teams for awhile now, but madlax had the youth market captured. But based on their 2020 and 2021 teams, that grip is slipping.

Sounds like they have a good 4th grade team but who knows if those kids stay together. Lots of options now for kids.

So that is the point you all are so proud of killing Madlax. You got your wish 5 Shi--y teams and not 2 really good ones. You win but what did you really get?

If you think the previous poster is "proud of killing Madlax", you need your head examined. The guy is just posing what's up with Madlax. Whether Madlax is good/bad has nothing to do with the poster. There is no "win".

Good lord, get over yourself.

How did Madlax 2020.do against Next Level 2020 last Sunday?

Nl won

Next level has really improved since last year and added quite a few big guys to the team. They have held their own in the Hoco elite bracket so not a big surprise they beat ml. The leap from AA where madlax would have played to the elite bracket is huge. Any AA would be beaten badly by any of the teams in that bracket, including next level so madlax should be grateful they decided not to compete for a play in slot.

Who won madlax 2022 game va Bethesda today?

How did Madlax 2020 do vs HHH and LE

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won madlax 2022 game va Bethesda today?

Madlax won fairly easily from the score. They made the hoco playoffs and will play Crabs in the 4 vs 5 playin game.

Why is there a playin game? Didn't Crabs have the #4 seed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there a playin game? Didn't Crabs have the #4 seed?

Hawks 1, DBacks2, 3 Team 9D1, Crabs 4, Madlax 5 - if the HoCo tie breakers are understood properly. Hawks and DBacks undefeated - Hawks has 1 fewer goals against. Team 9D1 and Crabs had same record (1 loss) but 9D1 beat Crabs and lost to FCA. Madlax snuck in the last day - kudos.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next level has really improved since last year and added quite a few big guys to the team. They have held their own in the Hoco elite bracket so not a big surprise they beat ml. The leap from AA where madlax would have played to the elite bracket is huge. Any AA would be beaten badly by any of the teams in that bracket, including next level so madlax should be grateful they decided not to compete for a play in slot.

Next Level is bringing kids in with those sweet Bullets inspired DC Spartan Unis - glad they are ditching that hurting Michigan State look.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there a playin game? Didn't Crabs have the #4 seed?

Hawks 1, DBacks2, 3 Team 9D1, Crabs 4, Madlax 5 - if the HoCo tie breakers are understood properly. Hawks and DBacks undefeated - Hawks has 1 fewer goals against. Team 9D1 and Crabs had same record (1 loss) but 9D1 beat Crabs and lost to FCA. Madlax snuck in the last day - kudos.

Think the question is, why the need for a play-in game when there was a clear #4 team. Crabs is 5-1 and Madlax 3-3. Why the need for a 5th team in this division. Other ages don't have 5. It would make sense if they were tied.

Exactly. Every other division has a Final Four. Why is there a playin between #4 and #5 in the 2022 division? Anyone?

There is play in game for all divisions that have odd number of teams. A way to give all teams at least one additional game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is play in game for all divisions that have odd number of teams. A way to give all teams at least one additional game

Burn !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why? Even with odd numbers, everyone in that division played 6 games - same as teams in other even number divisions. Your explanation makes no sense.

Do you even know what a burn is?

I believe HHH beat Madlax, but not sure about Madlax vs. Leading Edge? Anyone know...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why? Even with odd numbers, everyone in that division played 6 games - same as teams in other even number divisions. Your explanation makes no sense.

Do you even know what a burn is?

I burn is what is happening in your moms paints!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why? Even with odd numbers, everyone in that division played 6 games - same as teams in other even number divisions. Your explanation makes no sense.

Do you even know what a burn is?

They way the league works is ALL teams get at least 7 games. 6 regular season and a "playoff" game. For divisions with odd teams the top 5 teams get to play for 1st place with 4 and 5 needing to win play-in to make the final 4. Then 6 and 7 play for 6th place, 7 and 8 play...Is there a reason you object to play-in or that the other teams play another game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why? Even with odd numbers, everyone in that division played 6 games - same as teams in other even number divisions. Your explanation makes no sense.

Do you even know what a burn is?

They way the league works is ALL teams get at least 7 games. 6 regular season and a "playoff" game. For divisions with odd teams the top 5 teams get to play for 1st place with 4 and 5 needing to win play-in to make the final 4. Then 6 and 7 play for 6th place, 7 and 8 play...Is there a reason you object to play-in or that the other teams play another game?

No objection. Makes sense. Didn't know all the teams played an extra game. That's why I asked the question. Not everyone just comes here to [lacrosse] and complain. Some are actually looking for information.

I didn't know either that everyone gets a playoff game. Weird, though, though to make the 4th team to potentially miss the real playoffs by playing the 5th. It would make more sense for the 8th and 9th teams play each other, with the winner playing the 5th team, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why? Even with odd numbers, everyone in that division played 6 games - same as teams in other even number divisions. Your explanation makes no sense.

Do you even know what a burn is?

I burn is what is happening in your moms paints!!!!!!

Not sure which is worse: your sad attempt at a burn, or that you typed "paints" instead of "pants".

Well now that spring is almost over. Where the 2020 parents happy with what Madlax gave them this spring? Looking at the website they seem to have played a good number of games and played some good clubs. And any word on if and 2020 studs are trying out this summer?

So happy--Madlax created a very nurturing environment where the boys could develop their talents against top-notch competition!

How'd 2020 fare against HHH and Leading Edge this past weekend in Philly?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So happy--Madlax created a very nurturing environment where the boys could develop their talents against top-notch competition!

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So happy--Madlax created a very nurturing environment where the boys could develop their talents against top-notch competition!

I can not tell if you are being a smart a s s or not. But looking at it from the outside I think Madlax did close to the correct thing. I think they still should of played in AA and also found ways to play the games they did play. But I think this team with some new kids for summer can go out and win some games and be seen by some colleges.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How'd 2020 fare against HHH and Leading Edge this past weekend in Philly?

I really do not think the goals with this team are about the score. I think they just need to play well enough so these top teams invite the 2021 kids next year and the best players from this 2020 team will still get there looks the deserve. And that is one thing that can not be argued yet. Even when one of the Madlax age groups are not top 10 they get to play the top ten and that is worth something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So happy--Madlax created a very nurturing environment where the boys could develop their talents against top-notch competition!

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Really for the love of god let this die. I punched a guy in a bar 4 years ago. Was it the correct thing to do no. Was it bad yes. Does the guy come to my house every 3 months and punch me back. AHHHH NO. Please do not bring this crap up again unless you have another thread of emails/phone calls from the Madlax owner that have a 2016 time stamp on them. Oh and also when you find these emails from 2016 please include your emails to him provoking him to act up.

So you don't have a score from this play day in Philly?

I get what you are saying though.

Given that he is contacting kids after tryouts, trying to get them to reconsider Madlax, I'd say he's back to his old tricks.

I heard the Madlax coach sent a nasty email because a kid switched to VLC. That is bad and shows a lack of character.

That one is never going to die....Maddux screwed the pooch on that one and he can never take it back.

The deadspin email was not an isolated thing. He has been doing/saying stuff like that for years to anyone. He loves to napalm relationships.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So happy--Madlax created a very nurturing environment where the boys could develop their talents against top-notch competition!

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Really for the love of god let this die. I punched a guy in a bar 4 years ago. Was it the correct thing to do no. Was it bad yes. Does the guy come to my house every 3 months and punch me back. AHHHH NO. Please do not bring this crap up again unless you have another thread of emails/phone calls from the Madlax owner that have a 2016 time stamp on them. Oh and also when you find these emails from 2016 please include your emails to him provoking him to act up.

Madlax dad getting in a bar fight surprises no one. That my friends are why people don't want to play with MadLax anymore, and exactly the type of people who support MadLax. Bring it up all the time people, just not in a bar where this scumbag will hit you.

And what "type" are you as you anonymously smear people you have never met and do not know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That one is never going to die....Maddux screwed the pooch on that one and he can never take it back.

Our son was on that team and we know that family all too well. No class to not call or note to Maddox that they were changing teams in the middle of the annual cycle, which was unusual considering annual tryouts were in early fall then. It was also he week before the summer season. No phone call, no email and no responses to multiple emails and messages over several weeks. Madlax practiced at the field where that kid went to school. This narrative is horrendously whitewashed. Maddox was a petulant child and he is a jerk. But the parents on the other side were diabolical and self serving. Maddox had scholarshipped the club fees for that kid for years and lined him up with showcase invites. As a parent, I think the least people can do is be forthright and honest with people and teach the same to their kids. Here, that was not the case. This just as easily could have been and still could be a deadspin article about the worst lacrosse parents in the world as it was one about the worst of all lacrosse club owners.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That one is never going to die....Maddux screwed the pooch on that one and he can never take it back.

Our son was on that team and we know that family all too well. No class to not call or note to Maddox that they were changing teams in the middle of the annual cycle, which was unusual considering annual tryouts were in early fall then. It was also he week before the summer season. No phone call, no email and no responses to multiple emails and messages over several weeks. Madlax practiced at the field where that kid went to school. This narrative is horrendously whitewashed. Maddox was a petulant child and he is a jerk. But the parents on the other side were diabolical and self serving. Maddox had scholarshipped the club fees for that kid for years and lined him up with showcase invites. As a parent, I think the least people can do is be forthright and honest with people and teach the same to their kids. Here, that was not the case. This just as easily could have been and still could be a deadspin article about the worst lacrosse parents in the world as it was one about the worst of all lacrosse club owners.

Thank you for this post. I hope others read and spread this side of the story out to all the parents that are only hearing the one side of this old crappy overblown story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So happy--Madlax created a very nurturing environment where the boys could develop their talents against top-notch competition!

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Really for the love of god let this die. I punched a guy in a bar 4 years ago. Was it the correct thing to do no. Was it bad yes. Does the guy come to my house every 3 months and punch me back. AHHHH NO. Please do not bring this crap up again unless you have another thread of emails/phone calls from the Madlax owner that have a 2016 time stamp on them. Oh and also when you find these emails from 2016 please include your emails to him provoking him to act up.

Madlax dad getting in a bar fight surprises no one. That my friends are why people don't want to play with MadLax anymore, and exactly the type of people who support MadLax. Bring it up all the time people, just not in a bar where this scumbag will hit you.

I really did not get in a fight bar fight 4 years ago. I used it as a example that people make mistakes and do things they wish they could take back. But the Madlax owner hit no one he wrote a mean email. And the club has to hear and deal with it 4 years later like he beat a guy to a bloody mess. Can anyone on here even come up with a story of anyone being mean or talking bad to you from 4 years ago. And if you can do you feel the need to find that person and try to destroy his Business?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That one is never going to die....Maddux screwed the pooch on that one and he can never take it back.

Our son was on that team and we know that family all too well. No class to not call or note to Maddox that they were changing teams in the middle of the annual cycle, which was unusual considering annual tryouts were in early fall then. It was also he week before the summer season. No phone call, no email and no responses to multiple emails and messages over several weeks. Madlax practiced at the field where that kid went to school. This narrative is horrendously whitewashed. Maddox was a petulant child and he is a jerk. But the parents on the other side were diabolical and self serving. Maddox had scholarshipped the club fees for that kid for years and lined him up with showcase invites. As a parent, I think the least people can do is be forthright and honest with people and teach the same to their kids. Here, that was not the case. This just as easily could have been and still could be a deadspin article about the worst lacrosse parents in the world as it was one about the worst of all lacrosse club owners.

Thank you for this post. I hope others read and spread this side of the story out to all the parents that are only hearing the one side of this old crappy overblown story.

The fact that the parents were terrible does not justify the behavior of the club owner. People pay him thousands of dollars a year. Everyone knows both sides of the story. It doesn't make his actions justified. Also, everyone knows this was not an isolated incident. You are obviously on some crusade to get people back to madlax, but sometimes there's no fixing things. You can't just tell people to ignore the past. It happened. And there are better options out there where dealing with Cabell is not part of the deal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That one is never going to die....Maddux screwed the pooch on that one and he can never take it back.

Our son was on that team and we know that family all too well. No class to not call or note to Maddox that they were changing teams in the middle of the annual cycle, which was unusual considering annual tryouts were in early fall then. It was also he week before the summer season. No phone call, no email and no responses to multiple emails and messages over several weeks. Madlax practiced at the field where that kid went to school. This narrative is horrendously whitewashed. Maddox was a petulant child and he is a jerk. But the parents on the other side were diabolical and self serving. Maddox had scholarshipped the club fees for that kid for years and lined him up with showcase invites. As a parent, I think the least people can do is be forthright and honest with people and teach the same to their kids. Here, that was not the case. This just as easily could have been and still could be a deadspin article about the worst lacrosse parents in the world as it was one about the worst of all lacrosse club owners.

Thank you for this post. I hope others read and spread this side of the story out to all the parents that are only hearing the one side of this old crappy overblown story.

The fact that the parents were terrible does not justify the behavior of the club owner. People pay him thousands of dollars a year. Everyone knows both sides of the story. It doesn't make his actions justified. Also, everyone knows this was not an isolated incident. You are obviously on some crusade to get people back to madlax, but sometimes there's no fixing things. You can't just tell people to ignore the past. It happened. And there are better options out there where dealing with Cabell is not part of the deal.

Every post I post is in response to one of you jerks who can not get over it. He wrote some bad emails he gets upset when you leave his program. Sounds like he cares. And if there is so many better options you always talk about then you should spend no time out of your day trying to point out bad things about Madlax. And anyone who thinks any club based in VA. not Blackwolf or VLC is better then Madlax is completely wrong. And we can argue that Madlax is better then those two at some grade levels. I get upset because I see people go to these other crappy clubs not named here because some Jerk told them how evil Madlax was. I just saw a guy who spent years bashing Madlax and VLC because his older son could not or did not make there teams. But this year just put his younger better son on a VLC team. I just get upset to see great players on crappy clubs because some mom listened to a blow hard like you telling her that Madlax was evil and the owner will eat your children.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That one is never going to die....Maddux screwed the pooch on that one and he can never take it back.

Our son was on that team and we know that family all too well. No class to not call or note to Maddox that they were changing teams in the middle of the annual cycle, which was unusual considering annual tryouts were in early fall then. It was also he week before the summer season. No phone call, no email and no responses to multiple emails and messages over several weeks. Madlax practiced at the field where that kid went to school. This narrative is horrendously whitewashed. Maddox was a petulant child and he is a jerk. But the parents on the other side were diabolical and self serving. Maddox had scholarshipped the club fees for that kid for years and lined him up with showcase invites. As a parent, I think the least people can do is be forthright and honest with people and teach the same to their kids. Here, that was not the case. This just as easily could have been and still could be a deadspin article about the worst lacrosse parents in the world as it was one about the worst of all lacrosse club owners.

Thank you for this post. I hope others read and spread this side of the story out to all the parents that are only hearing the one side of this old crappy overblown story.

The fact that the parents were terrible does not justify the behavior of the club owner. People pay him thousands of dollars a year. Everyone knows both sides of the story. It doesn't make his actions justified. Also, everyone knows this was not an isolated incident. You are obviously on some crusade to get people back to madlax, but sometimes there's no fixing things. You can't just tell people to ignore the past. It happened. And there are better options out there where dealing with Cabell is not part of the deal.

Can you please show some proof of his evil behavior in the year of 2015 or 2016 thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That one is never going to die....Maddux screwed the pooch on that one and he can never take it back.

Our son was on that team and we know that family all too well. No class to not call or note to Maddox that they were changing teams in the middle of the annual cycle, which was unusual considering annual tryouts were in early fall then. It was also he week before the summer season. No phone call, no email and no responses to multiple emails and messages over several weeks. Madlax practiced at the field where that kid went to school. This narrative is horrendously whitewashed. Maddox was a petulant child and he is a jerk. But the parents on the other side were diabolical and self serving. Maddox had scholarshipped the club fees for that kid for years and lined him up with showcase invites. As a parent, I think the least people can do is be forthright and honest with people and teach the same to their kids. Here, that was not the case. This just as easily could have been and still could be a deadspin article about the worst lacrosse parents in the world as it was one about the worst of all lacrosse club owners.

Your reply is a joke. Even if the parents were the worst parents in the world (and they aren't), nothing justifies threatening a kid and his family. He told them he would get them blackballed from college coaches (which is pathetic and untrue), that it would affect him at his school (which is pathetic and untrue.

They are the customer. They have a right to leave whenever they wish. They don't owe him anything, especially if the kid wasn't happy there anymore. The club may have scholarshiped the kid (as all the clubs do), but that is the club's choice and obviously he did it because he wanted the kid.

You have no idea how the parents handled it. If you read the emails, they didn't fight over Madlax's laughable academy fees . We do, however, know how the owner handled it. And he has done similar things to many other families.

Pretty sad you have to slur the parents with "still could be a deadspin article about the worse lacrosse parents in the world". There are many terrible people in lacrosse, but that family is not the worst. But the owner is and that's why his teams are starting to spiral downward. Why do you think so few Landon families are playing for Madlax now? Many held their nose and played for Madlax because they thought it was the best option despite the owner's lack of morals. Now many top kids are playing for BW, VLC, Crabs and NL and getting a better experience, paying less and not having to feel bad about giving that guy their money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That one is never going to die....Maddux screwed the pooch on that one and he can never take it back.

Our son was on that team and we know that family all too well. No class to not call or note to Maddox that they were changing teams in the middle of the annual cycle, which was unusual considering annual tryouts were in early fall then. It was also he week before the summer season. No phone call, no email and no responses to multiple emails and messages over several weeks. Madlax practiced at the field where that kid went to school. This narrative is horrendously whitewashed. Maddox was a petulant child and he is a jerk. But the parents on the other side were diabolical and self serving. Maddox had scholarshipped the club fees for that kid for years and lined him up with showcase invites. As a parent, I think the least people can do is be forthright and honest with people and teach the same to their kids. Here, that was not the case. This just as easily could have been and still could be a deadspin article about the worst lacrosse parents in the world as it was one about the worst of all lacrosse club owners.

Thank you for this post. I hope others read and spread this side of the story out to all the parents that are only hearing the one side of this old crappy overblown story.

The fact that the parents were terrible does not justify the behavior of the club owner. People pay him thousands of dollars a year. Everyone knows both sides of the story. It doesn't make his actions justified. Also, everyone knows this was not an isolated incident. You are obviously on some crusade to get people back to madlax, but sometimes there's no fixing things. You can't just tell people to ignore the past. It happened. And there are better options out there where dealing with Cabell is not part of the deal.

Can you please show some proof of his evil behavior in the year of 2015 or 2016 thank you.

Like throwing a temper tantrum because his team was not in 2020 elite and to punish the league, withdrew his team? Only thing that did was to further fuel the fire and hurt the kids. The team would not have been able to compete and the were given a chance for a play in and bagged on the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every post I post is in response to one of you jerks who can not get over it. He wrote some bad emails he gets upset when you leave his program. Sounds like he cares.

1. So if someone has their own opinion about Madlax that differs from yours, that means the guy is a jerk?

2. He wrote that the kid's Madlax teammates hate him now (what kind of adult writes that?) He said he would tell his future HS coach how terrible the kid and family are. He said he would tell college coaches how awful they are.

Not really sure he sounds like he cares. Unless you are giving him money.

Look at his recruiting service. He actually charges people to talk to college coaches. That's not what I call caring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you please show some proof of his evil behavior in the year of 2015 or 2016 thank you.

How about the kids who tried out for his teams last fall, got selected but opted for other clubs, and then received text on their phones telling them that their clubs were no good and that they had to play Madlax if they wanted to be the best?

I have personal experience from 2015 when my son left the club. What would be the point of providing proof of the emails and texts? So you can call me a "jerk" for having the audacity to expose Cabell for what he is? No thanks. All I can say is caveat emptor.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every post I post is in response to one of you jerks who can not get over it. He wrote some bad emails he gets upset when you leave his program. Sounds like he cares.

1. So if someone has their own opinion about Madlax that differs from yours, that means the guy is a jerk?

2. He wrote that the kid's Madlax teammates hate him now (what kind of adult writes that?) He said he would tell his future HS coach how terrible the kid and family are. He said he would tell college coaches how awful they are.

Not really sure he sounds like he cares. Unless you are giving him money.

Look at his recruiting service. He actually charges people to talk to college coaches. That's not what I call caring.

That fact that you brought up the recruiting service shows you are so far out of the loop with what goes on with Madlax. That is for kids not on a Madlax team that what to pay for Madlax to help with connections and phone calls. If you play for Madlax they will call and help you with anything you need when it comes to the college process for no extra charge.

And as stated the kid from the Deadspin article was playing for Madlax for free. Say it again because everyone talks about how much Madlax cost. So the kid playing for free quits in the middle of the night and does not answer a phone call. And he can not be mad at all. He and everyone knows he went to far. But we can agree he was at least slightly provoke to act this way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have personal experience from 2015 when my son left the club. What would be the point of providing proof of the emails and texts? So you can call me a "jerk" for having the audacity to expose Cabell for what he is? No thanks. All I can say is caveat emptor.

So what we can confirm is he acts up when the kid quits and leaves his program. So if all these people are leaving why do they care if he is mad at them. If your son is being recruited they will call and talk to his present day coach not any coach he used to play for. So if he stats he thinks you are making a mistake and this new program you are going to is worse then his. I would assume he would think that. But I will never get over everyone's fear of a bad email. With all this effort and anger towards him you would of thought he beat the kids with a stick or touched them in their bathing suit area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That one is never going to die....Maddux screwed the pooch on that one and he can never take it back.

Our son was on that team and we know that family all too well. No class to not call or note to Maddox that they were changing teams in the middle of the annual cycle, which was unusual considering annual tryouts were in early fall then. It was also he week before the summer season. No phone call, no email and no responses to multiple emails and messages over several weeks. Madlax practiced at the field where that kid went to school. This narrative is horrendously whitewashed. Maddox was a petulant child and he is a jerk. But the parents on the other side were diabolical and self serving. Maddox had scholarshipped the club fees for that kid for years and lined him up with showcase invites. As a parent, I think the least people can do is be forthright and honest with people and teach the same to their kids. Here, that was not the case. This just as easily could have been and still could be a deadspin article about the worst lacrosse parents in the world as it was one about the worst of all lacrosse club owners.

Thank you for this post. I hope others read and spread this side of the story out to all the parents that are only hearing the one side of this old crappy overblown story.

The fact that the parents were terrible does not justify the behavior of the club owner. People pay him thousands of dollars a year. Everyone knows both sides of the story. It doesn't make his actions justified. Also, everyone knows this was not an isolated incident. You are obviously on some crusade to get people back to madlax, but sometimes there's no fixing things. You can't just tell people to ignore the past. It happened. And there are better options out there where dealing with Cabell is not part of the deal.

Can you please show some proof of his evil behavior in the year of 2015 or 2016 thank you.

Like throwing a temper tantrum because his team was not in 2020 elite and to punish the league, withdrew his team? Only thing that did was to further fuel the fire and hurt the kids. The team would not have been able to compete and the were given a chance for a play in and bagged on the game.

His 2020 team did not play HOCO but they did play the same amount of games he would of played if he played in HOCO and they played elite teams and some AA teams. He can be slightly a baby when he does not get his way. But he does care about the kids and there success. The 2020 Capital team got what they paid for. They played 8 or so games with Elite teams.

The only elite team they played was looneys and they got beat like 16-2

Everyone is going to have a different level of tolerance for CM's behavior on and off the field. If yours is one of acceptance and it's OK that he threatened the kid and his future, fine. It's your kid, you're the parent, continue to play Madlax.

Some of us don't agree with what CM did. Period. Regardless of if the kid was on scholarship, got introduced to Landon because of CM, etc. etc.

At the end of the day, there are other quality clubs in the area now that kids can chose to join and compete at a very high level. Some of us don't care if there is one VA super Elite club team; cause at the end of the day college coaches don't give a damn either. If your kids a D1 level talent, he will be found whether he plays for Madlax, VLC, Blackwolf, NL, Cavs, etc. etc.

So is this Cabell or his wife answering all these posts. Do you have any idea how big of a tool you look?

If you are not Cabell or his wife, why do you seem so personally offended? You or your husband are a terrible human being. All the begging and pleading and bitching and moaning you(he) do(es) here will never change who you(or your husband) are at your(his) core.

I just read the Deadspin article, and my take on it as someone not close to it is the parents lacked class and common decency. The tone escalated when the Madlax guy didn't get repeated messages returned and the team was having practices for the summer season that was close to arriving. It starts as more like are you ok, then please make practice it is important for you to manage your schedule with school and sports and then nothing. Then the parents chime in later after they bolted their kid over to a rival team right before the season starts, but were too busy with work, etc. to return a call or email. That is nonsense. It sounds like they had some time to manage the exit logistics and enroll the kid in another club. The kid could have been taught some manners to write a letter or email to the coach thanking him for the past support, scholarship, coaching and say he had decided to move on to another club. My kid can play for whatever team he wants me to pay for, but he is always going to thank a coach at the end of a season and would also notice a coach if he was planning to stop playing the sport or wanted to leave the organization. Common decency demands that. I see a lot of very entitled parents and kids walking about in this sport, so these parents are likely just more typical than awful. But there is no excuse for how badly they managed this. The club coach should not be hearing via rumors or from the kids' friends second hand that he bailed for another team. This does not excuse how he articulated it, but I do see why he went from being a positive referral to college coaches to a negative reference. Frankly, I'm shocked a high profile college coach recruited a kid from this family after reading and knowing this. That is pretty negative for me to add, but I am a bit non plussed by this article just being seen as a bad guy on the club lacrosse side. The parents here were culpable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So is this Cabell or his wife answering all these posts. Do you have any idea how big of a tool you look?

If you are not Cabell or his wife, why do you seem so personally offended? You or your husband are a terrible human being. All the begging and pleading and bitching and moaning you(he) do(es) here will never change who you(or your husband) are at your(his) core.

This all coming from a guy you never misses a chance to bash this club.

Let's make a list of all the good things Madlax has and does. Here is a hint it out ways some angry exit emails.

Great post, Madlax apologist. I like how you glossed over threats by an adult towards a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great post, Madlax apologist. I like how you glossed over threats by an adult towards a kid.

Just trying to balance out your campaign to kill a club that cut your son or wrote you a bad email. And you can never tell me one of these two things are not true. You would not put this kind of effort to bring up a 4 year old story this much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great post, Madlax apologist. I like how you glossed over threats by an adult towards a kid.

Just trying to balance out your campaign to kill a club that cut your son or wrote you a bad email. And you can never tell me one of these two things are not true. You would not put this kind of effort to bring up a 4 year old story this much.

Does the Madlax owner pay you for every sad apology post? Or for every misspelled word/grammatically incorrect post?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great post, Madlax apologist. I like how you glossed over threats by an adult towards a kid.

Just trying to balance out your campaign to kill a club that cut your son or wrote you a bad email. And you can never tell me one of these two things are not true. You would not put this kind of effort to bring up a 4 year old story this much.

Does the Madlax owner pay you for every sad apology post? Or for every misspelled word/grammatically incorrect post?

So answer my questions and I might stop posting back to your crap. Did your son get cut from Madlax or did he write you a not nice email when you left the club? It has to be one of the two.

Word is that several of the Madlax 2020's are going to try out for other clubs (HOCO elite). Any "stud" in the NOVA/MD region isn't going to even consider Madlax 2020, just the opposite. The exodus will only gain speed as the results (losses) from the summer tournaments pile up if Madlax 2020 try's to compete in the same tournament division as the HOCO 2020 elite teams and other top national 2020 teams play in. Madlax 2020 should just come to terms with the fact that they're a good AA team and they should have played so this spring in the HOCO league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word is that several of the Madlax 2020's are going to try out for other clubs (HOCO elite). Any "stud" in the NOVA/MD region isn't going to even consider Madlax 2020, just the opposite. The exodus will only gain speed as the results (losses) from the summer tournaments pile up if Madlax 2020 try's to compete in the same tournament division as the HOCO 2020 elite teams and other top national 2020 teams play in. Madlax 2020 should just come to terms with the fact that they're a good AA team and they should have played so this spring in the HOCO league.

Well we will see and tell me again how you do not have a agenda to kill Madlax? And if they are going to HOCO a team in Maryland it says more about the over level of NOVA clubs. But that is cool just keep spreading out, [lacrosse] lets start 3 more 2020 clubs in NOVA. Then we can have 9 A level teams.

I don't think people are out to "kill" Madlax, they and their sons are just choosing to play for other clubs. I wouldn't take it so personally.

I don't have an agenda to kill Madlax. Its just a reality check that if a NOVA/MD 2020 player isn't already on a HOCO elite 2020 team and they'd like to compete at the highest level, play in the top summer tournament divisions, they're not going to consider Madlax. If there are Madlax 2020 players that do want to play at the highest level they'll need to jump to a HOCO elite 2020 team this summer during tryouts.There are plenty of kids that are looking for a great lacrosse experience with their friends to learn the game and Madlax is still a great choice. Kinda hard to defend Madlax's record in HOCO spring play across all of their teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have an agenda to kill Madlax. Its just a reality check that if a NOVA/MD 2020 player isn't already on a HOCO elite 2020 team and they'd like to compete at the highest level, play in the top summer tournament divisions, they're not going to consider Madlax. If there are Madlax 2020 players that do want to play at the highest level they'll need to jump to a HOCO elite 2020 team this summer during tryouts.There are plenty of kids that are looking for a great lacrosse experience with their friends to learn the game and Madlax is still a great choice. Kinda hard to defend Madlax's record in HOCO spring play across all of their teams.

My very special and exceptional in every way son will be trying out for Madlax.

Seriously. They're 8th graders. Find yourself a hobby.

Do you wear a tin hat? Or do you see bushes moving in the backyard?

Seriously, you think people are trying to "destroy" a certain club? When you insult other clubs in a weird attempt to defend this owner, do you see other posts using words like "don't try to destroy club X"?

You need medication.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid could have been taught some manners to write a letter or email to the coach thanking him for the past support, scholarship, coaching and say he had decided to move on to another club.

I almost laughed, but it's too sad. When I read this sentence I realized you have never dealt with Cabell Maddux in this type of situation. Because this is exactly the way I thought we should handle it. My son gave more than ample notice, wrote the gracious thank you note, tried to call Cabell numerous times and talk to him, man to man. You are completely misinformed about the way this man conducts himself as a coach, mentor, businessman if he doesn't get his way. The information in the deadspin article is only ONE of MANY stories. I have a story that is arguably worse than the deadspin story, but I am a private person, my son is a private person, and the lacrosse community in Northern Virginia is too small. I am not going to share or leak it to the press. My son and I have moved on, as most people do. As I'm sure the boy in the deadspin article has done. We are absolutely fine. But that doesn't mean you get to rewrite history by blaming the boy for Cabell's mind-blowingly unethical behavior. And it doesn't mean I'm going to look the other way and change the subject when people ask me about Madlax. Wrong is wrong. Sending nasty emails is the least of Cabell's behavioral problems. He is such a small person, and he is so utterly lacking in integrity that he cared about one thing and one thing only in our experience -- listing my son's name on his website as a D1 recruit. When he saw that wasn't going to happen, despite all of his pathetic attempts to hold my son hostage to the program, he tried to destroy my son's chances of being recruited. And this is a guy who coached my son for years and who my son looked up to. If you think a 14/15 year old boy's heart can't be broken when he realizes his mentor is a sham you are wrong. If Maddux's business fails he will have no one but himself to thank or blame. And Cabell, if this is you on this website, you called me a "liar" but in fact you are the liar. You know who I am and yeah, you broke his heart but he is so much better now. In fact he is golden.

Thanks for noting that. I too feel that the kid and family in the Deadspin article did not represent themselves with class. Your son tried and I am sorry for the negative experience. It's a shame there are so many bad adults in this sport. The Crabs owner and the Blackwolf guy are also just bad self interested people. Shame this sport has reduced to their influences.

I love the "yeah the Madlax guy is bad, but I'm telling you the Crabs and Blackwolf guys are bad, too".

That is a pathetic deflection. It is amazing how you and others continue to blame the kid and family. Nothing can justify what that owner has done to them and many other people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid could have been taught some manners to write a letter or email to the coach thanking him for the past support, scholarship, coaching and say he had decided to move on to another club.

I almost laughed, but it's too sad. When I read this sentence I realized you have never dealt with Cabell Maddux in this type of situation. Because this is exactly the way I thought we should handle it. My son gave more than ample notice, wrote the gracious thank you note, tried to call Cabell numerous times and talk to him, man to man. You are completely misinformed about the way this man conducts himself as a coach, mentor, businessman if he doesn't get his way. The information in the deadspin article is only ONE of MANY stories. I have a story that is arguably worse than the deadspin story, but I am a private person, my son is a private person, and the lacrosse community in Northern Virginia is too small. I am not going to share or leak it to the press. My son and I have moved on, as most people do. As I'm sure the boy in the deadspin article has done. We are absolutely fine. But that doesn't mean you get to rewrite history by blaming the boy for Cabell's mind-blowingly unethical behavior. And it doesn't mean I'm going to look the other way and change the subject when people ask me about Madlax. Wrong is wrong. Sending nasty emails is the least of Cabell's behavioral problems. He is such a small person, and he is so utterly lacking in integrity that he cared about one thing and one thing only in our experience -- listing my son's name on his website as a D1 recruit. When he saw that wasn't going to happen, despite all of his pathetic attempts to hold my son hostage to the program, he tried to destroy my son's chances of being recruited. And this is a guy who coached my son for years and who my son looked up to. If you think a 14/15 year old boy's heart can't be broken when he realizes his mentor is a sham you are wrong. If Maddux's business fails he will have no one but himself to thank or blame. And Cabell, if this is you on this website, you called me a "liar" but in fact you are the liar. You know who I am and yeah, you broke his heart but he is so much better now. In fact he is golden.

So was your son beat out by another Face off kid, Or did they ask your son to play long pole or short stick midd. So you where leaving the club you wrote your good bye email. Did you want him to write you a love letter?

Cabell was McLernan's (Crabs) protege. He learned from perhaps the biggest [lacrosse] in youth lacrosse. Enough said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell was McLernan's (Crabs) protege. He learned from perhaps the biggest [lacrosse] in youth lacrosse. Enough said.

Wrong. Cabell has never been associated with the Crabs guy. The Madlax owner has been a jerk since birth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love the "yeah the Madlax guy is bad, but I'm telling you the Crabs and Blackwolf guys are bad, too".

That is a pathetic deflection. It is amazing how you and others continue to blame the kid and family. Nothing can justify what that owner has done to them and many other people.

Once again he wrote mean emails this is all. Just move your mouse up to the word or the picture of the little trash can and hit delete. Man that was so hard to move on from those evil emails he wrote you. There are real problems in the world and people doing real bad things to people, a angry email because you left his club are very very low on this list of bad things in the world. So if you want to warn people about Madlax at least tell the truth. You will play with very good players and play in very good tournaments with very good coaches. If the owner thinks you are a great player and you leave his club for a dumb reason in his mind. He will write you a email asking why and telling you his thoughts on you leaving. This is all, nothing else bad will happen.

No, it is not just a mean email.

1. He threatens a kid and his parents in multiple ways. Threatens. That is not just a mean email.

2. He's done it to dozens of families over the years.

3. Nobody else would threaten a family because they decided to leave. Nobody.

4. He has some good coaches, players, and they play in good tournaments. Nobody has said otherwise.

5. There are other clubs, however, that have great coaches, great players and play in great tournaments. And you don't have to give your money to a guy who acts like an infant on the field and a psycho when you "upset him".

6. Those are also clubs that have better recruiting success and are 30% cheaper.

[quote=Anonymous]No, it is not just a mean email.

1. He threatens a kid and his parents in multiple ways. Threatens. That is not just a mean email.

2. He's done it to dozens of families over the years.

3. Nobody else would threaten a family because they decided to leave. Nobody.

4. He has some good coaches, players, and they play in good tournaments. Nobody has said otherwise.

5. There are other clubs, however, that have great coaches, great players and play in great tournaments. And you don't have to give your money to a guy who acts like an infant on the field and a psycho when you "upset him".

6. Those are also clubs that have better recruiting success and are 30% cheaper. [/quote

Well can anyone document if anything ever happened from this evil threats. If not hitting the little trash can solves this horrible problem you bring up every other day.
Also you got your way starting this summer he is no longer coaching a team full time. All the summer teams will have a HC and he will just be helping out with all teams. So I think he is a slow learner but he has realized he should step back from coaching a team full time. The point I do not get is it takes someone a little crazy to build something as large and great as Madlax. But this crazy does come out when someone leaves. He has a issue with getting the last word. But if we all hated everyone who needed to get the last word most of us would be divorced.

"But if we all hated everyone who needed to get the last word most of us would be divorced."

perfect

If you think he is not going to be the defacto coach for his sons' teams, I have a bridge to sell you.

I noticed you stopped talking about other clubs and daddy ball. Must be because Madlax now has TWO teams where a dad coaches his son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think he is not going to be the defacto coach for his sons' teams, I have a bridge to sell you.

I noticed you stopped talking about other clubs and daddy ball. Must be because Madlax now has TWO teams where a dad coaches his son.

Is there a dad coaching other then CM. Must be on the younger teams. Which one which coach? And he is not the HC of his sons team anymore but I am sure he will be hovering lol. I agree he should not be coaching his sons. But I am sure its not a big deal yet because they are young and both pretty darn good. As for other clubs what is there to talk about with them. VLC and Blackwolf are the only ones in the Nova area to talk about worth while. And VLC has weaker young team then Madlax. And Blackwolf still only has what 3 or 4 teams I think its 3 but the website once again tells you nothing about the club. Brilliant marketing I must say on there part. Do not call us we will call you. We are so good we do not need to let those little people know who plays on our teams and where our team is playing. Lets compare VLC 2017,2018,2019 and 2020 teams after this summer and we can see which club is the King of NOVA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think he is not going to be the defacto coach for his sons' teams, I have a bridge to sell you.

I noticed you stopped talking about other clubs and daddy ball. Must be because Madlax now has TWO teams where a dad coaches his son.

Ok I did my research, There is a dad coaching the 2022 team this summer. This Dad does have a impressive resume of coaching. But I would be wrong to say its cool for him to coach. Dads should not be coaching there sons in travel ball. But on paper there is still only one dad coaching his sons team. The owner is no longer HC of his sons team. Back to the Dad coach I am guessing this will not cause to much trouble his son is really good. So parents should not be to upset with him getting tons of playing time. They are also in 6th grade I would say the oldest grade a dad should coach his son, if he must do it. So hoping this is the last time this dad coaches his son for Madlax.

Translation:

"It is wrong for dads to coach their sons in club ball. If you see a dad coaching his son on your club team, run away.

Unless it's Madlax."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Translation:

"It is wrong for dads to coach their sons in club ball. If you see a dad coaching his son on your club team, run away.

Unless it's Madlax."

No I agree its not good and if he does coach more then this summer his son its not cool. I agree its not good. But the good thing about us paying so much is if the parents on the team do not like it he will change it. Like you all say he is all about the money.

Madlax spring:

2020 - didn't play in HoCo

2021 - 2-4 (playoff game result unknown)

2022 - 3-3 (playoff game result unknown)

2023 - 1-4 (1 regular season game and playoff game result unknown)

2024 - 8-0

Club result: 14-11 (56% winning percentage)

Club result without 2024: 6-11 (35% winning percentage)

Please post another NOVA club with better results and there level of play. Don't worry I will wait!

2019 Va and MD teams need a goalie. I promise you they will both have great talent. We just had no goalies show up.

Have you seen Madlax's MD and VA teams? Why would you subject anyone's son to playing on one of those teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you seen Madlax's MD and VA teams? Why would you subject anyone's son to playing on one of those teams?

You mean the 2019 Va team that lost to the top VLC team by one goal. And really the Va team has a goalie the Maryland team does have one yet. Or are you talking about the 2019 VA and MD teams that have a better summer schedule of tournaments then the Cavs,Battlelax,VELL,and 3d. So Madlax 2nd teams have better summer tournaments to play in then all the other NOVA clubs not named VLC and Blackwolf.
And if you notice Madlax has corrected the younger ages they have gone to a 2 team per grade model. So with 2020 and below they will only have 2 not 3 teams per grade. So in theory the 2nd teams at the young ages will be playing at a better level for sure this summer. Madlax 2nd teams are still a better option then these 4 or 5 other NOVA crap clubs that you feel good about being on because they only have one team and play in crap tournaments so you think you are playing top level lacrosse. Like I have said there are 3 clubs in VA and if you do not play on the those top three teams you should go to the Madlax 2 teams. Because you play in way better tournaments and you have the chance to work your way up to the top Madlax team. Which I have seen several times. And heck the great Blackwolf team has players that where at one time on a Madlax 2nd team. So let me say beat this dead horse. There are 3 teams VLC, Blackwolf and Madlax in NOVA and after this 3 the clear 4th best option is a Madlax 2nd team. Sorry to hurt anyones feelings but based on skill of the teams and clearly better tournaments these are the best option for any kid 8th grade to 11th hands down. So if you want to spend the same amount of time and hotel money to play on these other crap NOVA options go ahead enjoy your 3 or 4 hundred dollar savings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]No, it is not just a mean email.

1. He threatens a kid and his parents in multiple ways. Threatens. That is not just a mean email.

2. He's done it to dozens of families over the years.

3. Nobody else would threaten a family because they decided to leave. Nobody.

4. He has some good coaches, players, and they play in good tournaments. Nobody has said otherwise.

5. There are other clubs, however, that have great coaches, great players and play in great tournaments. And you don't have to give your money to a guy who acts like an infant on the field and a psycho when you "upset him".

6. Those are also clubs that have better recruiting success and are 30% cheaper. [/quote

Well can anyone document if anything ever happened from this evil threats. If not hitting the little trash can solves this horrible problem you bring up every other day.
Also you got your way starting this summer he is no longer coaching a team full time. All the summer teams will have a HC and he will just be helping out with all teams. So I think he is a slow learner but he has realized he should step back from coaching a team full time. The point I do not get is it takes someone a little crazy to build something as large and great as Madlax. But this crazy does come out when someone leaves. He has a issue with getting the last word. But if we all hated everyone who needed to get the last word most of us would be divorced.

He usually doesnt coach in the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He usually doesnt coach in the summer.

You must be new to the scene. He shows up at certain tournaments and if the team gets into the playoffs, rest assured he kicks the team's coach to the curb and then he takes over.

You really don't think he'll be doing that with his sons' team this summer? LOL.

To be fair CM did everything he could to improve the performance of their 2020 Capital team over the Spring season. They probably played more games than they would have in HoCo and against fairly good competition.

Playing games doesn't necessarily mean one is having a better experience/education.

The weakening in Madlax's youth teams is a telling sign.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To be fair CM did everything he could to improve the performance of their 2020 Capital team over the Spring season. They probably played more games than they would have in HoCo and against fairly good competition.

I would rather play the best competition(HOCO) instead of fairly good competition

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To be fair CM did everything he could to improve the performance of their 2020 Capital team over the Spring season. They probably played more games than they would have in HoCo and against fairly good competition.

I would rather play the best competition(HOCO) instead of fairly good competition

Here is the funny thing you guys are the guys who say teams need to practice more and work on skills more. And that is what CM did with this team. They practiced more then any Madlax team this spring and this summer they added some really good parts. I am not saying they will be top 10 team. But they have improved with this two prong approach by 50% for sure. He could of played HOCO AA this spring but I think this plan worked better for sure. And when I say worked better it worked better for this group of players. They have speed and size but most of this team are public school kids they needed the extra high level style of practice the elite teams have gotten in the private schools. I would love to bring this topic up in Aug. and lets see how they did this summer. I will put 100$ on them winning 65% of there games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To be fair CM did everything he could to improve the performance of their 2020 Capital team over the Spring season. They probably played more games than they would have in HoCo and against fairly good competition.

I would rather play the best competition(HOCO) instead of fairly good competition

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To be fair CM did everything he could to improve the performance of their 2020 Capital team over the Spring season. They probably played more games than they would have in HoCo and against fairly good competition.

I would rather play the best competition(HOCO) instead of fairly good competition

They played teams from the Elite div in HOCO and teams that if they where from area would play Elite. Then they played teams from the AA div. So tell me again how they missed out big time by not playing Hoco AA this spring?

Unless Madlax 2020 plays in two crappy Madlax tournaments, they are not winning 65% of their summer games.

Lol. You are such a homer.

They also got schooled by every HoCo team out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

...and teams that if they where from area would play Elite.

Let me guess...MadLax Georgia, MadLax Arkansas and MadLax Mississippi Delta.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

...and teams that if they where from area would play Elite.

Let me guess...MadLax Georgia, MadLax Arkansas and MadLax Mississippi Delta.

There schedule is on there site feel free to look it up. Then feel free to come back in Aug. to show me I am wrong

"their", not "there".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"their", not "there".

That is the spelling my voice text uses. You may use your red pen and minus 2 points for each spelling and grammar error. in joy

Madlax got spanked by all the top 2020 teams this spring. Here are the losses from the MadLax 2020 site: HHH, LeadingEdge, NextLevel, West Coast Stars, Looneys. The only teams MadLax 2020 could beat are the lower tier HOCO teams LaxFactory, VLC, and Cavaliers.
MadLax will get a wake up call when they compete in the top tier of the summer tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax got spanked by all the top 2020 teams this spring. Here are the losses from the MadLax 2020 site: HHH, LeadingEdge, NextLevel, West Coast Stars, Looneys. The only teams MadLax 2020 could beat are the lower tier HOCO teams LaxFactory, VLC, and Cavaliers.
MadLax will get a wake up call when they compete in the top tier of the summer tournaments.

I do not think they need a wake up call they are aware there team is not where it needs to be to be called Elite. That is why they added these 2 or 3 new players. They are good players and will make this team better for sure. They will play close games and hang with all the big boys this summer. I think they play the Crabs 2020 first game this weekend. So we will know real quick if the new kids help. But most importantly you make my point for me. They will be playing in the elite tournaments this summer. So let me know if UNC or JHU cares who wins the game between the Crabs and Madlax this Sat. I think they are looking at the players. So that is all you should ask for a chance for your son to be seen by the best schools playing elite teams. Sorry I am going back to beating that dead horse again. But lots of people have hard heads.

Yeah but if your kiddo plays attack and the team never has possession, all they can do is evaluate how good they look in their new Madlax gear . . .

It's worth the 12 month contract, though! Unless you leave ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah but if your kiddo plays attack and the team never has possession, all they can do is evaluate how good they look in their new Madlax gear . . .

For the 1000 time there is only 3 teams in NOVA that play in the tournaments that matter. So try Blackwolf if they call you or try out for VLC and if those two do not work I will see you at Madlax tryouts. I think Madlax is a better option over VLC from 2018 and down but I am a Madlax homer. But if you think playing for any other club in NOVA not these 3 to be seen it is not going to happen.

BW 2020 is wide open right now. They are starting with about four players. Do not wait for the phone to ring - go to the camp!

Have you seen BW 2019? Program is going downhill. They aren't successful poaching other clubs as they used to be ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you seen BW 2019? Program is going downhill. They aren't successful poaching other clubs as they used to be ...

20 years of high level play and top to great talent. Stick with a sure thing. Or keep checking to see if the grass is greener over and over again.

The summer camp really isn't very good IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The summer camp really isn't very good IMO

My 2 sons have done close two 15 different camps over the last 10 years. All are over rated. Pay competent coach for one on one lessons much better results.

Many college coaches earn more income from camps and prospect days than in salary now. It is the one thing keeping their compensation above a living wage. These same events allow these same coaches to compensate the low or no salaried assistants an extra amount to bring it up to a living wage. My issue is that the universities should be underwriting wages -- or just cutting varsity lacrosse down to club. When rugby has its "NCAA Championship" for full or the 7s, nearly every team in the tournament is club not funded varsity. If lacrosse wants to be a private enterprise it should do just that and be one. A college doesn't need to pay a coach $100K - $200K+ to then have a coach use the fields and other facilities, insurance and other resources of the university as a private venture to pimp families under the guise of "recruiting". Especially at a state university where the coaches' salaries are from the wallets of taxpayers. Your son has only a slightly better chance of winning the PowerBall in his lifetime than getting noticed out of nowhere at one of these camps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many college coaches earn more income from camps and prospect days than in salary now. It is the one thing keeping their compensation above a living wage. These same events allow these same coaches to compensate the low or no salaried assistants an extra amount to bring it up to a living wage. My issue is that the universities should be underwriting wages -- or just cutting varsity lacrosse down to club. When rugby has its "NCAA Championship" for full or the 7s, nearly every team in the tournament is club not funded varsity. If lacrosse wants to be a private enterprise it should do just that and be one. A college doesn't need to pay a coach $100K - $200K+ to then have a coach use the fields and other facilities, insurance and other resources of the university as a private venture to pimp families under the guise of "recruiting". Especially at a state university where the coaches' salaries are from the wallets of taxpayers. Your son has only a slightly better chance of winning the PowerBall in his lifetime than getting noticed out of nowhere at one of these camps.

I agree unless a coach has talked to you or your club owner/high school coach about you and ask to see you at his camp/ prospect day it is a money grab. They ask the kids who are going to be signed to attend so they can say everyone who signs came to this camp.

Madlax results this weekend:

2017
- 1-4
- Did not make playoffs
- -11 goal differential

2018
- 3-2
- Lost in quarterfinals
- +9 goal differential

2019
- 5-1
- Lost in championship
- +28 goal differential

2020
- 1-4
- Did not make playoffs
- -23 goal differential

Club total
- 10-11
- +7 goal differential

Let's not forget 2021 - 1-3, did not make playoffs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's not forget 2021 - 1-3, did not make playoffs

Ok lets please put VLC and all there teams records up. Also say what tournament you are pulling the stats from. When you bash Madlax records you must stat a better option.

Seems rather absurd to compare W-L records of club teams with high school age kids considering the variability in rosters week to week due to the kids having other commitments. I would be much more interested in which tournaments these teams played and extent of college coach attendance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems rather absurd to compare W-L records of club teams with high school age kids considering the variability in rosters week to week due to the kids having other commitments. I would be much more interested in which tournaments these teams played and extent of college coach attendance.

The top Madlax HS teams (2017-2020) play Adrenaline Platinum Cup, Big 4 and Crab Feast as first 3 tourneys. These are far and away the best tournaments in terms of competition and top D1 coaching attendance. You are correct in that team rosters can vary but for the most part I would say the top teams have over 90% of their primary roster any given week. As these kids get later into their HS years and more kids get committed it is important that these committed players continue playing to support those that aren't yet committed...

Madlax 2018 just won the Pottstown tourney beating Crabs, Laxachuesettes and others--all the best teams were there and Madlax went undefeated....this team is phenomenal.

Madlax is probably doing the best for college coach attendance of ALL of the NOVA/DMV clubs. They may lose but the 2020 and older players being given the opportunity to play in front a bigger variety than the other two clubs often mentioned for comparison.

That is great. Hope the kids are studying as no money in lax. Merit pays more.

VLC 2019 - 4-1
VLC 2020 - 5-0, won the championship
VLC 2021 - 4-1, lost the championship game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is probably doing the best for college coach attendance of ALL of the NOVA/DMV clubs. They may lose but the 2020 and older players being given the opportunity to play in front a bigger variety than the other two clubs often mentioned for comparison.

2018 Madlax team is definitely legit. 2020 is average, 2021 is less so - no superstars there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's not forget 2021 - 1-3, did not make playoffs

Ok lets please put VLC and all there teams records up. Also say what tournament you are pulling the stats from. When you bash Madlax records you must stat a better option.

Why does VLC always come up when no one mentioned VLC at all, they were just quoting stats?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

...and teams that if they where from area would play Elite.

Let me guess...MadLax Georgia, MadLax Arkansas and MadLax Mississippi Delta.

There schedule is on there site feel free to look it up. Then feel free to come back in Aug. to show me I am wrong

You're wrong - we don't need to wait until Aug...LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2019 - 4-1
VLC 2020 - 5-0, won the championship
VLC 2021 - 4-1, lost the championship game

What tournament was this at sir. That is a major part of this list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2019 - 4-1
VLC 2020 - 5-0, won the championship
VLC 2021 - 4-1, lost the championship game

What tournament was this at sir. That is a major part of this list.

Different age groups played in different tourneys - older teams played in Baltimore Kickoff and younger in Hogan's. Just as wilth MadLax, you can always check their website - it's all there

VLC 2020 played at Hogan with the Maryland Xtremes of the world while all the big boys played Big 4 HHH

Even the Hawks didnt have their 2020 team at Hogan

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2019 - 4-1
VLC 2020 - 5-0, won the championship
VLC 2021 - 4-1, lost the championship game

What tournament was this at sir. That is a major part of this list.

Don't know anything about and do not really care about the VLC record and I am not sure how it is germane. However, I was at the tournament in Long Island this weekend with the Madlax 2021 team and they played and lost to Igloo and Team 91. There is no shame in that and I suspect that had VLC, or for that matter any other Virginia team (or for that matter Washington regional team) played Igloo or Team 91 they would have lost as well. It isn't just about winning, it is about competing against the best competition you can find and getting better as a result.

As the prior poster pointed out, it is silly to compare won and loss statistics from different tournaments. The competition makes all the difference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2019 - 4-1
VLC 2020 - 5-0, won the championship
VLC 2021 - 4-1, lost the championship game

What tournament was this at sir. That is a major part of this list.

Different age groups played in different tourneys - older teams played in Baltimore Kickoff and younger in Hogan's. Just as wilth MadLax, you can always check their website - it's all there

So 2020 and 2021 played well and beat no one good. And 2019 is so far below Madlax 2019 it's no where close

All of the top 2020 teams were at the Champions HHH, 2nd tier tournament was the NSCLA (don't know why Looneys/Hawks/Rising Sons went? Must be some kinda previous commitment they couldn't get out of) and the bottom of the barrel was the Hogan Summer Exposure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2019 - 4-1
VLC 2020 - 5-0, won the championship
VLC 2021 - 4-1, lost the championship game

What tournament was this at sir. That is a major part of this list.

Different age groups played in different tourneys - older teams played in Baltimore Kickoff and younger in Hogan's. Just as wilth MadLax, you can always check their website - it's all there

So 2020 and 2021 played well and beat no one good. And 2019 is so far below Madlax 2019 it's no where close

You're absolutely clueless - let's give you some tough love: MadLax 2020 is average at best - not one kid on the team stands out, and they will lose to any decent team, always. They have a number of VLC rejects as well on that team. Their 2021 team is worse. Their younger teams do have potential. Their 2019 team is good, but not better than VLC 2019 - you'll see that next weekend, and it will apparently be surprising to you. The MadLax 2018 team is very good - on par with Crabs and others. Before you start crying, don't bother replying unless you have facts to back it up - don't just spew nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2020 played at Hogan with the Maryland Xtremes of the world while all the big boys played Big 4 HHH

Even the Hawks didnt have their 2020 team at Hogan

Yep - and all of them got wrecked - nice work, you must be proud...LOL why drive all the way up there to get killed? Just send me to Boys Latin every weekend for a beating and save the gas hahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2020 played at Hogan with the Maryland Xtremes of the world while all the big boys played Big 4 HHH

Even the Hawks didnt have their 2020 team at Hogan

Hawks 2020 would destroy MadLax 2020 - I wouldn't say "even the Hawks" - MadLax 2020 is more on par with Cavs than Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2019 - 4-1
VLC 2020 - 5-0, won the championship
VLC 2021 - 4-1, lost the championship game

What tournament was this at sir. That is a major part of this list.

Different age groups played in different tourneys - older teams played in Baltimore Kickoff and younger in Hogan's. Just as wilth MadLax, you can always check their website - it's all there

So 2020 and 2021 played well and beat no one good. And 2019 is so far below Madlax 2019 it's no where close

You're absolutely clueless - let's give you some tough love: MadLax 2020 is average at best - not one kid on the team stands out, and they will lose to any decent team, always. They have a number of VLC rejects as well on that team. Their 2021 team is worse. Their younger teams do have potential. Their 2019 team is good, but not better than VLC 2019 - you'll see that next weekend, and it will apparently be surprising to you. The MadLax 2018 team is very good - on par with Crabs and others. Before you start crying, don't bother replying unless you have facts to back it up - don't just spew nonsense.

You lost all credibility when you said VLC 2019 is better then Madlax 2019 if they play this weekend Madlax will beat them by 7 goals if not more. This is a fact. There 2020 team is not where it should be but if you think VLC 2019 is even close to Madlax 2019 you are as blind as a Bat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2020 played at Hogan with the Maryland Xtremes of the world while all the big boys played Big 4 HHH

Even the Hawks didnt have their 2020 team at Hogan

Hawks 2020 would destroy MadLax 2020 - I wouldn't say "even the Hawks" - MadLax 2020 is more on par with Cavs than Hawks

I think the person was saying when the host club doesn't put their own team in the tournament, it says something about the level of the tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the top 2020 teams were at the Champions HHH, 2nd tier tournament was the NSCLA (don't know why Looneys/Hawks/Rising Sons went? Must be some kinda previous commitment they couldn't get out of) and the bottom of the barrel was the Hogan Summer Exposure.

But MadLax was there, so it definitely wasn't all top teams, was it? I mean, you had C2C, 3D, and Eclipse there - like any tournament, there were very good elite teams, and there were the teams (MadLax is one) who should have picked a different tourney, because they have not been, are not, and will not be competitive at all at that elite level. It's just reality, unfortunately, unless they gut the team and get some talented players on it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2019 - 4-1
VLC 2020 - 5-0, won the championship
VLC 2021 - 4-1, lost the championship game

What tournament was this at sir. That is a major part of this list.

Different age groups played in different tourneys - older teams played in Baltimore Kickoff and younger in Hogan's. Just as wilth MadLax, you can always check their website - it's all there

So 2020 and 2021 played well and beat no one good. And 2019 is so far below Madlax 2019 it's no where close

You're absolutely clueless - let's give you some tough love: MadLax 2020 is average at best - not one kid on the team stands out, and they will lose to any decent team, always. They have a number of VLC rejects as well on that team. Their 2021 team is worse. Their younger teams do have potential. Their 2019 team is good, but not better than VLC 2019 - you'll see that next weekend, and it will apparently be surprising to you. The MadLax 2018 team is very good - on par with Crabs and others. Before you start crying, don't bother replying unless you have facts to back it up - don't just spew nonsense.

You lost all credibility when you said VLC 2019 is better then Madlax 2019 if they play this weekend Madlax will beat them by 7 goals if not more. This is a fact. There 2020 team is not where it should be but if you think VLC 2019 is even close to Madlax 2019 you are as blind as a Bat.

First of all, no one looks to you for credibility judging, as you're obviously a MadLax dad, so you already have none. That said, I don't think anyone said they were better. But if they do play this weekend, we will see. MadLax 2019 will go 1-2 first day, guaranteed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2019 - 4-1
VLC 2020 - 5-0, won the championship
VLC 2021 - 4-1, lost the championship game

What tournament was this at sir. That is a major part of this list.

Different age groups played in different tourneys - older teams played in Baltimore Kickoff and younger in Hogan's. Just as wilth MadLax, you can always check their website - it's all there

So 2020 and 2021 played well and beat no one good. And 2019 is so far below Madlax 2019 it's no where close

You're absolutely clueless - let's give you some tough love: MadLax 2020 is average at best - not one kid on the team stands out, and they will lose to any decent team, always. They have a number of VLC rejects as well on that team. Their 2021 team is worse. Their younger teams do have potential. Their 2019 team is good, but not better than VLC 2019 - you'll see that next weekend, and it will apparently be surprising to you. The MadLax 2018 team is very good - on par with Crabs and others. Before you start crying, don't bother replying unless you have facts to back it up - don't just spew nonsense.

Are you talking about the capital team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2019 - 4-1
VLC 2020 - 5-0, won the championship
VLC 2021 - 4-1, lost the championship game

What tournament was this at sir. That is a major part of this list.

Different age groups played in different tourneys - older teams played in Baltimore Kickoff and younger in Hogan's. Just as wilth MadLax, you can always check their website - it's all there

So 2020 and 2021 played well and beat no one good. And 2019 is so far below Madlax 2019 it's no where close

You're absolutely clueless - let's give you some tough love: MadLax 2020 is average at best - not one kid on the team stands out, and they will lose to any decent team, always. They have a number of VLC rejects as well on that team. Their 2021 team is worse. Their younger teams do have potential. Their 2019 team is good, but not better than VLC 2019 - you'll see that next weekend, and it will apparently be surprising to you. The MadLax 2018 team is very good - on par with Crabs and others. Before you start crying, don't bother replying unless you have facts to back it up - don't just spew nonsense.

Are you talking about the capital team?

He has to be talking about one of the Madlax 2019 state teams not the Capital team. They are top 5 in the country and this can not be argued.

Different age groups played in different tourneys - older teams played in Baltimore Kickoff and younger in Hogan's. Just as wilth MadLax, you can always check their website - it's all there [/quote]
So 2020 and 2021 played well and beat no one good. And 2019 is so far below Madlax 2019 it's no where close[/quote]

You're absolutely clueless - let's give you some tough love: MadLax 2020 is average at best - not one kid on the team stands out, and they will lose to any decent team, always. They have a number of VLC rejects as well on that team. Their 2021 team is worse. Their younger teams do have potential. Their 2019 team is good, but not better than VLC 2019 - you'll see that next weekend, and it will apparently be surprising to you. The MadLax 2018 team is very good - on par with Crabs and others. Before you start crying, don't bother replying unless you have facts to back it up - don't just spew nonsense. [/quote]

Are you talking about the capital team? [/quote]
He has to be talking about one of the Madlax 2019 state teams not the Capital team. They are top 5 in the country and this can not be argued. [/quote]

Can't it be?

2018 Madlax Capital team just beat Crabs and Laxachusetts last weekend to win Big 4H tourney in Pottstown, PA. Field was stocked with the best teams from around US and Canada. This team is really exceptional.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 Madlax Capital team just beat Crabs and Laxachusetts last weekend to win Big 4H tourney in Pottstown, PA. Field was stocked with the best teams from around US and Canada. This team is really exceptional.

Definitely true - the 2018 team is excellent. Does not translate to 2020, unfortunately - they lost big to the elite teams they played at Big 4, they are definitely not in the same league. 2021 got completely destroyed by all of the good teams they played last weekend, and barely beat Greyhounds by 1. 2019 is definitely solid as well - don't think I would say they are top 5 in country - it would be pretty simple to count up 5 better teams, but they are definitely one of the better top teams. All close games at Big 4 and beat Crabs and Mesa, but still a 2-2 finish. Bottom line is, the only fact based on results is that most any of these teams can beat each other on any given day, and that is a good thing. To say idiotic things like "they would beat VLC by 7 goals" and "they are top 5 in country and that cannot be argued" just makes you look ignorant.

2018 Capital held Crabs to 4 goals in semis and Laxachusetts to 5 in final.....and offensively they are stacked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 Capital held Crabs to 4 goals in semis and Laxachusetts to 5 in final.....and offensively they are stacked.

They held Crabs to 4 goals, yet scored only 5 themselves. Crabs were missing a ton of guys. Madlax is a good team, but don't get carried away. That's the first tournament they've won in 2 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2020 played at Hogan with the Maryland Xtremes of the world while all the big boys played Big 4 HHH

Even the Hawks didnt have their 2020 team at Hogan

Hawks 2020 would destroy MadLax 2020 - I wouldn't say "even the Hawks" - MadLax 2020 is more on par with Cavs than Hawks

The Madlax vs Hawks score from spring was a 3-4 goal spread. Madlax beat Cavs by about 10.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2020 played at Hogan with the Maryland Xtremes of the world while all the big boys played Big 4 HHH

Even the Hawks didnt have their 2020 team at Hogan

Hawks 2020 would destroy MadLax 2020 - I wouldn't say "even the Hawks" - MadLax 2020 is more on par with Cavs than Hawks

The Madlax vs Hawks score from spring was a 3-4 goal spread. Madlax beat Cavs by about 10.

MadLax Capital 2020 is a good single A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2020 played at Hogan with the Maryland Xtremes of the world while all the big boys played Big 4 HHH

Even the Hawks didnt have their 2020 team at Hogan

Hawks 2020 would destroy MadLax 2020 - I wouldn't say "even the Hawks" - MadLax 2020 is more on par with Cavs than Hawks

The Madlax vs Hawks score from spring was a 3-4 goal spread. Madlax beat Cavs by about 10.

MadLax Capital 2020 is a good single A team.

This statement is fine with me. But can you name a 2020 team in NOVA that is better or as good?

Not true--Madlax won same tourney last year....and every 2018 team that has top commits usually loses a few players this time of year--stop making excuses crabby.

Just read that Madlax 2018 cheated at Big 4. Used a kid who is still a 2017 rising senior. The kid has not reclassed but is "thinking" about doing a PG year.

Madlax has sung this tune before. Expect that all of their wins will be vacated.

No, he is reclassing. And Madlax was using a 2019 too (FOGO), so I guess it evens out!

He is not reclassified. The school he goes to doesn't allow it.

LOL. Madlax cheats again.

even at youth levels...MadLax is dropping a 2023 team down to 2024 for their own tourney this weekend!

The Hawks Madlax game at Landon was a beating. Hawks starters out in the 2nd half.

So not only does Madlax have as many reclassed kids as Crabs, now they are having kids play down who haven't reclassed at all.

Nice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So not only does Madlax have as many reclassed kids as Crabs, now they are having kids play down who haven't reclassed at all.

Nice.

Does anyone see the irony that the Crabs turned someone in for cheating?

Is that true re: Crabs blowing the whistle on Madlax?

$20 says the 2017 was already a 2016 reclass.

They have had a 2018 on the 2019 team for at least a year and Madlax oks it because he plans to PG. What if he changes his mind? I have overheard the Madlax parents discussing it and justifying it. He can't make the 2018 good team so he plays down. Can my 2019 play with the 2020s so he will look good in front of the college coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have had a 2018 on the 2019 team for at least a year and Madlax oks it because he plans to PG. What if he changes his mind? I have overheard the Madlax parents discussing it and justifying it. He can't make the 2018 good team so he plays down. Can my 2019 play with the 2020s so he will look good in front of the college coaches.

So how should a kid who plans to PG handle this issue? Should he play up and have the colleges think he is a grade ahead of what he will be. Should he wear a sign that says I plan to PG on his chest? or should he play on the grade team that he will be going to college so they know what year he will be arriving at there college?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have had a 2018 on the 2019 team for at least a year and Madlax oks it because he plans to PG. What if he changes his mind? I have overheard the Madlax parents discussing it and justifying it. He can't make the 2018 good team so he plays down. Can my 2019 play with the 2020s so he will look good in front of the college coaches.

So how should a kid who plans to PG handle this issue? Should he play up and have the colleges think he is a grade ahead of what he will be. Should he wear a sign that says I plan to PG on his chest? or should he play on the grade team that he will be going to college so they know what year he will be arriving at there college?

Are you an idiot? YOU PLAY IN THE YEAR YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN!!!! PERIOD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have had a 2018 on the 2019 team for at least a year and Madlax oks it because he plans to PG. What if he changes his mind? I have overheard the Madlax parents discussing it and justifying it. He can't make the 2018 good team so he plays down. Can my 2019 play with the 2020s so he will look good in front of the college coaches.

So how should a kid who plans to PG handle this issue? Should he play up and have the colleges think he is a grade ahead of what he will be. Should he wear a sign that says I plan to PG on his chest? or should he play on the grade team that he will be going to college so they know what year he will be arriving at there college?

Are you an idiot? YOU PLAY IN THE YEAR YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN!!!! PERIOD.

OK Idiot where and who do you play with the summer after your 4th year of high school. Do you play for a team of all PG kids or can you play with the kids going into there Sr. year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have had a 2018 on the 2019 team for at least a year and Madlax oks it because he plans to PG. What if he changes his mind? I have overheard the Madlax parents discussing it and justifying it. He can't make the 2018 good team so he plays down. Can my 2019 play with the 2020s so he will look good in front of the college coaches.

So how should a kid who plans to PG handle this issue? Should he play up and have the colleges think he is a grade ahead of what he will be. Should he wear a sign that says I plan to PG on his chest? or should he play on the grade team that he will be going to college so they know what year he will be arriving at there college?

Hey Madlax weirdo. It's very simple. Keep playing with your team. Once you enter your PG year, then play with that grade.

I swear Madlax has some scumball parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have had a 2018 on the 2019 team for at least a year and Madlax oks it because he plans to PG. What if he changes his mind? I have overheard the Madlax parents discussing it and justifying it. He can't make the 2018 good team so he plays down. Can my 2019 play with the 2020s so he will look good in front of the college coaches.

So how should a kid who plans to PG handle this issue? Should he play up and have the colleges think he is a grade ahead of what he will be. Should he wear a sign that says I plan to PG on his chest? or should he play on the grade team that he will be going to college so they know what year he will be arriving at there college?

Are you an idiot? YOU PLAY IN THE YEAR YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN!!!! PERIOD.

OK Idiot where and who do you play with the summer after your 4th year of high school. Do you play for a team of all PG kids or can you play with the kids going into there Sr. year?

That is the guy PG'ing and his family's problem. It is complete BS to let a kid play down b/c he is doing a PG. I can't believe it is not a violation of tournament rules and is forbidden in tournament play. Play with your grade and communicate with the coaches at the schools you are considering that you plan to PG. If the kid can only make the 2018 B team, that is where he belongs.

Madlax has a 2017 playing with their 2018 team despite that he is still enrolled as a 2017

Madlax has a 2018 playing with their 2019 team despite that he is still enrolled as a 2018

See a pattern?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has a 2017 playing with their 2018 team despite that he is still enrolled as a 2017

Madlax has a 2018 playing with their 2019 team despite that he is still enrolled as a 2018

See a pattern?

But you all are the same people who think its ok to reclass in the first place. So if I kid repeats a grade in real life he can play a grade year down. But if this same kid plays on a team one year down because he plans to reclass its the worse thing ever. I can not see the point both cases have a 17 year old playing with 16 year old. Or a 16 year old playing with 15 year old. Do I need to copy paste all the examples of people on here saying the colleges do not care how old you are they only care about when you will be attending college. And do I need to copy paste all the commits saying once the hit high school these things do not matter. Well these are all high school teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has a 2017 playing with their 2018 team despite that he is still enrolled as a 2017

Madlax has a 2018 playing with their 2019 team despite that he is still enrolled as a 2018

See a pattern?

But you all are the same people who think its ok to reclass in the first place. So if I kid repeats a grade in real life he can play a grade year down. But if this same kid plays on a team one year down because he plans to reclass its the worse thing ever. I can not see the point both cases have a 17 year old playing with 16 year old. Or a 16 year old playing with 15 year old. Do I need to copy paste all the examples of people on here saying the colleges do not care how old you are they only care about when you will be attending college. And do I need to copy paste all the commits saying once the hit high school these things do not matter. Well these are all high school teams.

Kaboom!

This may be the new 'verbally committed to reclassify by pledging to run and hide at a boarding school for a PG year 2-3 years from now' derivative of the repeat a grade strategy.

Anything to play down and play some hero ball against younger kids to look good. Cowardly, but it is keeping a lot of prep schools fully enrolled.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This may be the new 'verbally committed to reclassify by pledging to run and hide at a boarding school for a PG year 2-3 years from now' derivative of the repeat a grade strategy.

Anything to play down and play some hero ball against younger kids to look good. Cowardly, but it is keeping a lot of prep schools fully enrolled.

Well I think a Kid doing a PG is way more respectable. And we all agree the college guys only care about what year they will be showing up to play for them. And with a PG the kid will not be cheating during the spring high school season. And for high school summer and fall lacrosse we all can agree its mostly to be seen by the colleges. So a kid planing to PG should play with the year team that he will be showing up at college. The scouts recruit with a plan for each grad year. So if the kid is going to PG he is hurting himself playing with a team from the year ahead of when he will be attending college. If you have a issue with kids doing a PG year force summer teams in high school to go age based. And I can see by most post we agree grade based is the correct way to handle high school elite summer lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This may be the new 'verbally committed to reclassify by pledging to run and hide at a boarding school for a PG year 2-3 years from now' derivative of the repeat a grade strategy.

Anything to play down and play some hero ball against younger kids to look good. Cowardly, but it is keeping a lot of prep schools fully enrolled.

Well I think a Kid doing a PG is way more respectable. And we all agree the college guys only care about what year they will be showing up to play for them. And with a PG the kid will not be cheating during the spring high school season. And for high school summer and fall lacrosse we all can agree its mostly to be seen by the colleges. So a kid planing to PG should play with the year team that he will be showing up at college. The scouts recruit with a plan for each grad year. So if the kid is going to PG he is hurting himself playing with a team from the year ahead of when he will be attending college. If you have a issue with kids doing a PG year force summer teams in high school to go age based. And I can see by most post we agree grade based is the correct way to handle high school elite summer lacrosse.

Translation: cheating is ok as long as it's done by Madlax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This may be the new 'verbally committed to reclassify by pledging to run and hide at a boarding school for a PG year 2-3 years from now' derivative of the repeat a grade strategy.

Anything to play down and play some hero ball against younger kids to look good. Cowardly, but it is keeping a lot of prep schools fully enrolled.

Well I think a Kid doing a PG is way more respectable. And we all agree the college guys only care about what year they will be showing up to play for them. And with a PG the kid will not be cheating during the spring high school season. And for high school summer and fall lacrosse we all can agree its mostly to be seen by the colleges. So a kid planing to PG should play with the year team that he will be showing up at college. The scouts recruit with a plan for each grad year. So if the kid is going to PG he is hurting himself playing with a team from the year ahead of when he will be attending college. If you have a issue with kids doing a PG year force summer teams in high school to go age based. And I can see by most post we agree grade based is the correct way to handle high school elite summer lacrosse.

Translation: cheating is ok as long as it's done by Madlax

My on-age 2020 is planning on taking several years off after high school to find himself. Should he play lacrosse on his 2025 brother's team? Planning on doing it and actually having done it are too things.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This may be the new 'verbally committed to reclassify by pledging to run and hide at a boarding school for a PG year 2-3 years from now' derivative of the repeat a grade strategy.

Anything to play down and play some hero ball against younger kids to look good. Cowardly, but it is keeping a lot of prep schools fully enrolled.

Well I think a Kid doing a PG is way more respectable. And we all agree the college guys only care about what year they will be showing up to play for them. And with a PG the kid will not be cheating during the spring high school season. And for high school summer and fall lacrosse we all can agree its mostly to be seen by the colleges. So a kid planing to PG should play with the year team that he will be showing up at college. The scouts recruit with a plan for each grad year. So if the kid is going to PG he is hurting himself playing with a team from the year ahead of when he will be attending college. If you have a issue with kids doing a PG year force summer teams in high school to go age based. And I can see by most post we agree grade based is the correct way to handle high school elite summer lacrosse.

Translation: cheating is ok as long as it's done by Madlax

Translation: Those PG schools are full of players who all did not play for Madlax. Please let me know what level teams they all played on the summer after they left the 4 year school? Also why would you play in a group of kids that will not be in your recruiting class?

It's ok as long as he plays for Madlax.

I wonder what fuels the Madlax apologists. Do they get an addition 10% off Madlax mystery socks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This may be the new 'verbally committed to reclassify by pledging to run and hide at a boarding school for a PG year 2-3 years from now' derivative of the repeat a grade strategy.

Anything to play down and play some hero ball against younger kids to look good. Cowardly, but it is keeping a lot of prep schools fully enrolled.

Well I think a Kid doing a PG is way more respectable. And we all agree the college guys only care about what year they will be showing up to play for them. And with a PG the kid will not be cheating during the spring high school season. And for high school summer and fall lacrosse we all can agree its mostly to be seen by the colleges. So a kid planing to PG should play with the year team that he will be showing up at college. The scouts recruit with a plan for each grad year. So if the kid is going to PG he is hurting himself playing with a team from the year ahead of when he will be attending college. If you have a issue with kids doing a PG year force summer teams in high school to go age based. And I can see by most post we agree grade based is the correct way to handle high school elite summer lacrosse.

Translation: cheating is ok as long as it's done by Madlax

My on-age 2020 is planning on taking several years off after high school to find himself. Should he play lacrosse on his 2025 brother's team? Planning on doing it and actually having done it are too things.

Well I clearly stated for the high school age. And if you allow a reclass to play back during the summer a kid who plans to PG is the same thing. Go to age based and you are correct this would solve both problems. But if you allow kids who recalls twice to play on a 2019 or 2018 team at 17 18 years old why would you care if a kid who plans to PG plays back one year. Its the same result sorry. I agree with you but I am saying they are both cheating or they are both legal story over.

It is not the same thing. If a kid reclasses, that's fine. But if he is thinking about a PG year (which he may or may not do), that's cheating to let him play down before he enrolls at a PG school.

Typical Madlax. Same kind of apologies I hear for their owner's atrocious behavior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is not the same thing. If a kid reclasses, that's fine. But if he is thinking about a PG year (which he may or may not do), that's cheating to let him play down before he enrolls at a PG school.

Typical Madlax. Same kind of apologies I hear for their owner's atrocious behavior.

Totally agree. 2019 means he just finished 9th grade. Not he is in 10th grade and doing a PG year or he just finished 10th grade and plans to reclass. In both cases, those kids are 2018s. Letting a PG play down and letting a kid that plans to reclass play down is total bullsh1t. I hope that my son's team plays Madlax this weekend so we can have a conversation with the officials before the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is not the same thing. If a kid reclasses, that's fine. But if he is thinking about a PG year (which he may or may not do), that's cheating to let him play down before he enrolls at a PG school.

Typical Madlax. Same kind of apologies I hear for their owner's atrocious behavior.

Cheating or not - having older kids play against younger kids is not in the spirit of the game.

Age based is the only legit route. Everyone knows this. This fight was always over being able to buy an advantage by hiding away at a private school to repeat a grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is not the same thing. If a kid reclasses, that's fine. But if he is thinking about a PG year (which he may or may not do), that's cheating to let him play down before he enrolls at a PG school.

Typical Madlax. Same kind of apologies I hear for their owner's atrocious behavior.

Totally agree. 2019 means he just finished 9th grade. Not he is in 10th grade and doing a PG year or he just finished 10th grade and plans to reclass. In both cases, those kids are 2018s. Letting a PG play down and letting a kid that plans to reclass play down is total bullsh1t. I hope that my son's team plays Madlax this weekend so we can have a conversation with the officials before the game.

Sorry but the officials won't give you two seconds of their time... Talk to King Crab - it's his tournament. But wait - he's in violation more than anyone else... If your son's any good at all it won't matter who they play against...the coaches will recognize the talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Age based is the only legit route. Everyone knows this. This fight was always over being able to buy an advantage by hiding away at a private school to repeat a grade.

That's stupid. For youth, that's fine. But for HS kids, college coaches want to see kids in the same grade playing one another. They want the best in a particular class, period. Age based divisions for HS kids defeats the purpose.

When you are in HS, it doesn't matter who wins the game or tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Age based is the only legit route. Everyone knows this. This fight was always over being able to buy an advantage by hiding away at a private school to repeat a grade.

That's stupid. For youth, that's fine. But for HS kids, college coaches want to see kids in the same grade playing one another. They want the best in a particular class, period. Age based divisions for HS kids defeats the purpose.

When you are in HS, it doesn't matter who wins the game or tournament.

It isn't stupid. Coaches can watch high school games as well. Club lacrosse should be age based through middle school. After middle school it should be an open division. I don't think having 9th graders playing with older high school kids is bad.

Lacrosse coaches aren't Mensas but they can read the program to see what grade a kid is. Nobody doing recruiting is confused about what grade they are in.

The Madlax 2020 and 2021 teams at the Madlax Capital Classic are literally the most winless teams there, even though they are playing in the lowest divisions. How come so bad?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is not the same thing. If a kid reclasses, that's fine. But if he is thinking about a PG year (which he may or may not do), that's cheating to let him play down before he enrolls at a PG school.

Typical Madlax. Same kind of apologies I hear for their owner's atrocious behavior.

Hey dummy if you reclass you can take one or two summer or night classes and move back up. Is that cheating?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is not the same thing. If a kid reclasses, that's fine. But if he is thinking about a PG year (which he may or may not do), that's cheating to let him play down before he enrolls at a PG school.

Typical Madlax. Same kind of apologies I hear for their owner's atrocious behavior.

Hey dummy if you reclass you can take one or two summer or night classes and move back up. Is that cheating?

That response is nonsensical. One day a kid is 'reclassified' because he/parents write in an intention to do a 5th year of high school via a PG year at a boarding school. The kid plays a season down a grade year to stand out against younger competition. Then later on that same kid/family redact the future promise to attend a $65,000 a year boarding school because they finally saw the light that the best of it is a $10K - $15K discount to Penn State or something like that? That seems dumb. If you jump off that lacrosse cliff there shouldn't be any rope thrown down to pull you back after being so dumb. (Here's the part where people might comment that their special boy is getting a full ride...well, unless it is a service academy, save it).

I am not getting the part where one or two 'summer or night classes move you back up'? What the [lacrosse] does that mean? If a kid graduated earlier this month from Bullis, but is going off for a bonus PG year so the Ivy program that didn't recruit him will take him in, where/how/why does that kid have to take any course to catch up?!? Has a diploma. A kid who is a 10th grader today stating he'll do a PG year in 2+ years -- despite not having applied to or been admitted at a prep school -- but then drops that statement, where/how/why was he behind on being a 10th grader during or after his 10th grade year.

Of course a kid could also flunk a grade, then catch up via summer school to fix it instead of repeating the grade. But I'm missing the part where that is a get recruited strategy. But maybe you could enlighten us in that.

Not sure, but not a singe MadLax team won this weekend....time to start looking at other clubs.

Because winning is EVERYTHING

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure, but not a singe MadLax team won this weekend....time to start looking at other clubs.

Madlax Capital 2019 was in the final 4 last time I heard at the Crabs tournament.

Winning the the goal. Improvement is everything. If you want your kids to improve, put them with the best coaches. If Madlax MD/VA has the best coaches, then that is where your kids should be. These tournaments are a great opportunity to watch the other coaches coach. This weekend at the Madlax tournament I saw some good coaches, lots of average coaches and some horrible ones (one Wolfpack guy just berated his own team). I did notice the Madlax coaches were rather young - hopefully they know how to improve their teams game play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Winning the the goal. Improvement is everything. If you want your kids to improve, put them with the best coaches. If Madlax MD/VA has the best coaches, then that is where your kids should be. These tournaments are a great opportunity to watch the other coaches coach. This weekend at the Madlax tournament I saw some good coaches, lots of average coaches and some horrible ones (one Wolfpack guy just berated his own team). I did notice the Madlax coaches were rather young - hopefully they know how to improve their teams game play.

Madlax coaches the same plays from 2024 to 2017. So there is a common thread the whole time you play with them. The MD/VA teams are being hurt by the increase of clubs in the MD/VA area. It hurts peoples ego to play for a clubs 2nd team. Even when the 2nd team plays in better tournaments and has been around for 20 years. Madlax will have to drop the 2nd teams if this trend keeps up. My son is a 2017 so I have been around a long time. My advise is to play on the team that is a sure thing. These new start up clubs will be up and down and you never now when they will fold. As your son grows you will be glad you paid the extra money for a club that has been through everything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure, but not a singe MadLax team won this weekend....time to start looking at other clubs.

Madlax 2019 beat Crabs in the Crabfeast Championship, 2022 and 2023 Madlax teams won at the Capital Classic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure, but not a singe MadLax team won this weekend....time to start looking at other clubs.

Madlax 2019 beat Crabs in the Crabfeast Championship, 2022 and 2023 Madlax teams won at the Capital Classic.

2018 made the final 4 at Crabfeast

Maldax 2018 lost to Crabs this weekend in a fairly close game--only loss of the weekend by Madlax and the Crabs may be best team in country (they beat Team 88+3 yesterday too). Madlax finished the summer 1-1 against Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Winning the the goal. Improvement is everything. If you want your kids to improve, put them with the best coaches. If Madlax MD/VA has the best coaches, then that is where your kids should be. These tournaments are a great opportunity to watch the other coaches coach. This weekend at the Madlax tournament I saw some good coaches, lots of average coaches and some horrible ones (one Wolfpack guy just berated his own team). I did notice the Madlax coaches were rather young - hopefully they know how to improve their teams game play.

Madlax coaches the same plays from 2024 to 2017. So there is a common thread the whole time you play with them. The MD/VA teams are being hurt by the increase of clubs in the MD/VA area. It hurts peoples ego to play for a clubs 2nd team. Even when the 2nd team plays in better tournaments and has been around for 20 years. Madlax will have to drop the 2nd teams if this trend keeps up. My son is a 2017 so I have been around a long time. My advise is to play on the team that is a sure thing. These new start up clubs will be up and down and you never now when they will fold. As your son grows you will be glad you paid the extra money for a club that has been through everything.

Must feel good giving the owner thousands of your dollars over the years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The MD/VA teams are being hurt by the increase of clubs in the MD/VA area.

Wrong. Some clubs have B teams. Madlax has enough kids in the pipeline where their B teams were sometimes decent B teams. But they went for a money grab and split them into a MD B team and VA B team. The results are disastrous. Some of those teams have 14 kids on the roster. So they have often had to admit defeat and combine them both into a MD/VA - which is what they had originally.

Madlax's A teams have been hurt because more and more kids are going to any of the following: Crabs, Blackwolf, VLC, Next Level, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Winning the the goal. Improvement is everything. If you want your kids to improve, put them with the best coaches. If Madlax MD/VA has the best coaches, then that is where your kids should be. These tournaments are a great opportunity to watch the other coaches coach. This weekend at the Madlax tournament I saw some good coaches, lots of average coaches and some horrible ones (one Wolfpack guy just berated his own team). I did notice the Madlax coaches were rather young - hopefully they know how to improve their teams game play.

Madlax coaches the same plays from 2024 to 2017. So there is a common thread the whole time you play with them. The MD/VA teams are being hurt by the increase of clubs in the MD/VA area. It hurts peoples ego to play for a clubs 2nd team. Even when the 2nd team plays in better tournaments and has been around for 20 years. Madlax will have to drop the 2nd teams if this trend keeps up. My son is a 2017 so I have been around a long time. My advise is to play on the team that is a sure thing. These new start up clubs will be up and down and you never now when they will fold. As your son grows you will be glad you paid the extra money for a club that has been through everything.

Must feel good giving the owner thousands of your dollars over the years.

Well its worth the money knowing the teams will be good and you are going to be playing in top tournaments. The coaches will be held accountable and you will have more then enough lacrosse to play. You can go with the cheaper options feel free but your kid only goes through these years one time. But sure if saving $400 is worth risking a horrible summer or spring of lacrosse go with the new start up clubs with no history.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maldax 2018 lost to Crabs this weekend in a fairly close game--only loss of the weekend by Madlax and the Crabs may be best team in country (they beat Team 88+3 yesterday too). Madlax finished the summer 1-1 against Crabs.

Madlax 2019's won Crab Feast yesterday and finished summer 3-1 against Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure, but not a singe MadLax team won this weekend....time to start looking at other clubs.

Madlax 2019 beat Crabs in the Crabfeast Championship, 2022 and 2023 Madlax teams won at the Capital Classic.

2018 made the final 4 at Crabfeast

We rep, we work, we win. Repeat.

That settles it, as the results speak for themselves. Madlax is by far the best program in DC area for serious lacrosse players. There teams are in playoffs/championships of most tournaments they enter, sidelines covered in coaches. VLC, or Crabs B team is distant 2nd, always well down list of finishers and relegated to back lot at their own tournaments. BW is nowhere to be found...

BW has finished the summer season besides the new job may have priority.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That settles it, as the results speak for themselves. Madlax is by far the best program in DC area for serious lacrosse players. There teams are in playoffs/championships of most tournaments they enter, sidelines covered in coaches. VLC, or Crabs B team is distant 2nd, always well down list of finishers and relegated to back lot at their own tournaments. BW is nowhere to be found...

Well I agree Madlax is clearly doing it better overall compared to VLC. As for Black Wolf they do there own thing. The owner uses his name and pull to have college coaches watch his team in small venue format things. But the success of this way is hard to gauge because the kids who play BW are already on the Radar of the big schools and most come from top top programs. So is it really BW that gets them signed or would these same kids be signed if they just played with there high schools and did showcases on there own. That is the real question?

That is a good question. What is Trig's new job anyway?

Seems at the middle school and elementary level that DC area players are gravitating to Next Level and BLC. The best players in the DC area play for NL 2020 and BLC 2021, and avoided Madlax very intentionally. Madlax reputation is really bad because of owners behavior, a topic that has been beaten like a dead horse. I would expect Madlax to be more and more NoVa focused with top Montgomery kids gravitating to the other MD clubs. Madlax 2022 is good, but all NoVa players. Time will tell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems at the middle school and elementary level that DC area players are gravitating to Next Level and BLC. The best players in the DC area play for NL 2020 and BLC 2021, and avoided Madlax very intentionally. Madlax reputation is really bad because of owners behavior, a topic that has been beaten like a dead horse. I would expect Madlax to be more and more NoVa focused with top Montgomery kids gravitating to the other MD clubs. Madlax 2022 is good, but all NoVa players. Time will tell.

I think you are correct with this statement. I think Madlax can stay atop the Lacrosse world if they can pull 90% of the best NOVA players. But time should heel the owner back lash. If this can every die down or go away they will be able to pull the SW Maryland kids back to Madlax.

2017 - BW and VLC much better

2018 - Madlax better than BW and VLC, but close

2019 - Madlax much better than BW or VLC

2020 - VLC better than Madlax. Many Madlax kids moving to BW

2021 - neither VLC nor Madlax is very good

And if you go back farther,

2014 - both BW and VLC much better than Madlax

2015 - both BW and VLC much better than Madlax

2016 - both BW and VLC much better than Madlax

Except for a couple of years, Madlax is not the best option, but is the costliest. And now NL is gaining momentum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 - BW and VLC much better

2018 - Madlax better than BW and VLC, but close

2019 - Madlax much better than BW or VLC

2020 - VLC better than Madlax. Many Madlax kids moving to BW

2021 - neither VLC nor Madlax is very good

And if you go back farther,

2014 - both BW and VLC much better than Madlax

2015 - both BW and VLC much better than Madlax

2016 - both BW and VLC much better than Madlax

Except for a couple of years, Madlax is not the best option, but is the costliest. And now NL is gaining momentum.

So what do you think all the NOVa kids should drive over the bridge to NL or BLC? The real point is if all the top kids just picked between these top 3 teams they all would be really good. People should embrace these top three and just work to pull the AA kids off these crap A level clubs. These are the real losers here. The AA kids playing crap lacrosse in Richmond not getting any better.

Who is the MadLax [lacrosse] dad on 2023
Photo guy
Tough guy wanting to fight at LIlaxfest because his kid got slashed?

Sounds like he drove over from Maryland

Club Blue on verge of folding shop. CB kids should bolster ranks at Madlax NL and BLC.

Madlax 2018 is a lot better than BW or VLC--not even close....

Wrong. Madlax 2018 has lost to teams both BW and VLC have beaten. Helped this weekend from a 2017 who played down because he is think about PGing. More Madlax cheating.

2020 Madlax better than VLC proven just a few days ago by playing the same opponent

Eclipse 7 - VLC 6
Madlax 14 - Eclipse 2

Caveat from other threads to 'explain' why VLC is better:
- the Eclipse FO guy had his illegal stick taken away before the MADLAX game
- VLC's 'marquis' attack VLC player would have stopped the Eclipse from scoring the other 5 goals

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club Blue on verge of folding shop. CB kids should bolster ranks at Madlax NL and BLC.

CB only exists at all to serve the ego of Giblin and used to be a conduit to eventually absorbing kids into Prep. Those days are over and I expect CB to go away as well. That program wasn't about the kids, it was about the ego and control of the owner.

You must be thinking about Fall when a lot of Madlax 2018s are playing football. How many times have VLC or BW beaten Crabs recently? Nice try.

amy son is in a different grade and a different tournament, but that is funny.

Eclipse is a strong club. Looking at the online scores, that team played Madlax at the end of the day in a meaningless game. No shock that they packed it in. Trying to compare scores from one game to another isn't an exact science.

I heard Madlax 2020 got pounded all summer, but no idea if that's true. Either way, I would love to hear how you defend paying money to that jerk. Really teaching great morals to your kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

amy son is in a different grade and a different tournament, but that is funny.

Eclipse is a strong club. Looking at the online scores, that team played Madlax at the end of the day in a meaningless game. No shock that they packed it in. Trying to compare scores from one game to another isn't an exact science.

I heard Madlax 2020 got pounded all summer, but no idea if that's true. Either way, I would love to hear how you defend paying money to that jerk. Really teaching great morals to your kid.

The irony of a VLC dad or Black Wolf dad talking about teaching morals is the funnest thing I have ever heard. VLC is own by the crabs which is own by KING Fat Crab who is worse or the same as the Madlax owner. And BW is owned by a guy who is most known for killing kids when the make a mistake.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

amy son is in a different grade and a different tournament, but that is funny.

Eclipse is a strong club. Looking at the online scores, that team played Madlax at the end of the day in a meaningless game. No shock that they packed it in. Trying to compare scores from one game to another isn't an exact science.

I heard Madlax 2020 got pounded all summer, but no idea if that's true. Either way, I would love to hear how you defend paying money to that jerk. Really teaching great morals to your kid.

Madlax got pounded some because they only play in elite tournaments with all the college coaches.

My son is a 2018 that has been playing against Madlax 2018's since U13 and they are significantly stronger than VLC or BW. They are consistently a top five team. VLC and BW probably top 15 - 20.

Madlax 2018 used to be a Top 5 team. Fell down, but had a good showing last weekend. No coincidence it was the weekend the 2017 kid started playing with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 Madlax better than VLC proven just a few days ago by playing the same opponent

Eclipse 7 - VLC 6
Madlax 14 - Eclipse 2

Caveat from other threads to 'explain' why VLC is better:
- the Eclipse FO guy had his illegal stick taken away before the MADLAX game
- VLC's 'marquis' attack VLC player would have stopped the Eclipse from scoring the other 5 goals

First off, it's spelled marquee not marquis.

Second, that specific player would obviously make a difference. Whether it be in scoring, possession or rides. Simply put, it's a different team without him.

Third, I find the d*ck measuring contest over which team is better amusing. You think the recruiters care one iota who won the game? All they care about are individual performances for the kids they are there to scout. Period. Parents like yourself apply more value to the W/L column to justify the $$$$ you're shelling out, even more so for MADLAX.

If your kid isn't working hard and getting better, winning every tourney from today till he graduates won't help him much. You're focused on the wrong success metric - but it is the one the club owners want you to focus on ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

amy son is in a different grade and a different tournament, but that is funny.

Eclipse is a strong club. Looking at the online scores, that team played Madlax at the end of the day in a meaningless game. No shock that they packed it in. Trying to compare scores from one game to another isn't an exact science.

I heard Madlax 2020 got pounded all summer, but no idea if that's true. Either way, I would love to hear how you defend paying money to that jerk. Really teaching great morals to your kid.

Madlax got pounded some because they only play in elite tournaments with all the college coaches.

Sorry, I believe you're conflating "elite tournaments" with scheduled play in scrimmages. They got pounded because the other teams they scheduled are AA caliber, and MADLAX is A. Simple as that. Also doubt there were any college coaches at the play in scrimmages. If they were, it wasn't for MADLAX kids.

The PP is right. I laugh at all the parents who get so wound up at these events. Winning is nice, but nobody cares who wins a tournament. The coaches certainly don't.

The three clubs mentioned on this thread all have solid talent. Depending on the grade, some are better than others. Certainly none of the three are a clear cut above the others. There is more than enough talent in the DMV for these teams to field good-great teams at every HS grade.

Chill out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The PP is right. I laugh at all the parents who get so wound up at these events. Winning is nice, but nobody cares who wins a tournament. The coaches certainly don't.

The three clubs mentioned on this thread all have solid talent. Depending on the grade, some are better than others. Certainly none of the three are a clear cut above the others. There is more than enough talent in the DMV for these teams to field good-great teams at every HS grade.

Chill out.

Spot on post, and back to my point that some hate to hear over and over again. Play for any or all of these 3 and you are in the correct spot to be seen. We all need to advise the other parents that they are doing it wrong when your AA level player is playing for any other club but these three. Point blank.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

amy son is in a different grade and a different tournament, but that is funny.

Eclipse is a strong club. Looking at the online scores, that team played Madlax at the end of the day in a meaningless game. No shock that they packed it in. Trying to compare scores from one game to another isn't an exact science.

I heard Madlax 2020 got pounded all summer, but no idea if that's true. Either way, I would love to hear how you defend paying money to that jerk. Really teaching great morals to your kid.

Madlax got pounded some because they only play in elite tournaments with all the college coaches.

Sorry, I believe you're conflating "elite tournaments" with scheduled play in scrimmages. They got pounded because the other teams they scheduled are AA caliber, and MADLAX is A. Simple as that. Also doubt there were any college coaches at the play in scrimmages. If they were, it wasn't for MADLAX kids.

What parents really fail to understand is that once you get a lacrosse scholarship your are indebted to the team and coach in college. Say your interest turns elsewhere when you mature in college? You lose your Athletic scholarship and they you are up a creek. Keep the grades up, play where you are having fun. Enjoy the recruiting process but remember grades are everything. If you get injured in college your athletic scholarship will be pulled if you can not get back on the field. Your academic scholarship will not. Focus parents. No money in Lacrosse and the average athletic lacrosse scholarship is $4000. Keeping it real. I do enjoy the Jerry Spring banter on this site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

amy son is in a different grade and a different tournament, but that is funny.

Eclipse is a strong club. Looking at the online scores, that team played Madlax at the end of the day in a meaningless game. No shock that they packed it in. Trying to compare scores from one game to another isn't an exact science.

I heard Madlax 2020 got pounded all summer, but no idea if that's true. Either way, I would love to hear how you defend paying money to that jerk. Really teaching great morals to your kid.

Madlax got pounded some because they only play in elite tournaments with all the college coaches.

Sorry, I believe you're conflating "elite tournaments" with scheduled play in scrimmages. They got pounded because the other teams they scheduled are AA caliber, and MADLAX is A. Simple as that. Also doubt there were any college coaches at the play in scrimmages. If they were, it wasn't for MADLAX kids.

What parents really fail to understand is that once you get a lacrosse scholarship your are indebted to the team and coach in college. Say your interest turns elsewhere when you mature in college? You lose your Athletic scholarship and they you are up a creek. Keep the grades up, play where you are having fun. Enjoy the recruiting process but remember grades are everything. If you get injured in college your athletic scholarship will be pulled if you can not get back on the field. Your academic scholarship will not. Focus parents. No money in Lacrosse and the average athletic lacrosse scholarship is $4000. Keeping it real. I do enjoy the Jerry Spring banter on this site.

This point has been made several times. I think 99% of the people get it. I think what people are saying is if you are going to spend the time and money to do the elite travel lacrosse team thing, you should at least do it correctly. If you spend $1200 to play on a crap team and crap tournaments its a complete waste. If you pay $1600 to play for one of the three we are talking about here at least its somewhere close to worth the time and effort.

What makes it worth the time and money invested is the enjoyment a kid gets from doing youth sports. If you find yourself as a parent suddenly not seeing that at all, step back or step away.

The kid should enjoy playing the game no matter the cost. I could may love playing with his buddies on the 1200 team that plays lesser tournaments and wins a few games. Another kid may hate playing on the 1600 team that plays every "Elite" tournament but gets smoked every time. I think the keyboard bandits chasing the $4000 college scholarships at a $1600 a year clip should take a chill pill. Just my 2 cents.

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The kid should enjoy playing the game no matter the cost. I could may love playing with his buddies on the 1200 team that plays lesser tournaments and wins a few games. Another kid may hate playing on the 1600 team that plays every "Elite" tournament but gets smoked every time. I think the keyboard bandits chasing the $4000 college scholarships at a $1600 a year clip should take a chill pill. Just my 2 cents.

Well I think my point was the website/owners of these $1200 clubs sell the same product as these top 3 programs. The crappy tournaments say college coaches will be there to see your son. These crappy teams websites say this team is for kids who want to play college lacrosse. That is my point. If these lower level clubs said what they really are just for fun I would be fine with them. But they say they can and will get you seen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2018 used to be a Top 5 team. Fell down, but had a good showing last weekend. No coincidence it was the weekend the 2017 kid started playing with them.

The 2018 team did have a good showing last week and won the weekend before at Big4HHH as repeat champions from the year before. They're a solid team with or without the attack player who's PG'ing. He's not a leading scorer, does not lead in assists or ground balls and is smaller than the average attack player in field... He's a good player but not a difference maker as you make him out to be...

It doesn't matter if he is a key player or not. He is not in the class of 2018. His school doesn't allow it. He MIGHT PG, he might not.

Playing down in a 2018 tournament is cheating. Madlax has a 2018 who is playing down on their 2019 team. Kid hasn't fully reclassified, either.

See a pattern? That's like saying my 2019 son MIGHT PG 3 years from now, so we are going to go ahead and play him on a 2020 team.

How can you defend that.

A 2017 kid who claims he will PG a year after graduating next spring fell back to play on a 2018 team? That is pretty lame.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2018 used to be a Top 5 team. Fell down, but had a good showing last weekend. No coincidence it was the weekend the 2017 kid started playing with them.

The 2018 team did have a good showing last week and won the weekend before at Big4HHH as repeat champions from the year before. They're a solid team with or without the attack player who's PG'ing. He's not a leading scorer, does not lead in assists or ground balls and is smaller than the average attack player in field... He's a good player but not a difference maker as you make him out to be...

The kid is a giant compared to that other attackman they have.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A 2017 kid who claims he will PG a year after graduating next spring fell back to play on a 2018 team? That is pretty lame.

Ok please let me know what the kid who is planning on doing a PG year gets out of playing back a year if he does not PG? The college scouts are watching a 2018 game with that class in there heads. So if a college wants this player for his 2018 class he fits with this 2018 class coming into his school. If this kid tells the college later he will be coming to his college in 2017 class this kid will most likely not fit and be told he does not have a spot in this colleges 2017 class. And if we have a kid doing a PG year he is most likely behind the curve in some way, size,skill, or grades. So please once again tell me what the kid playing in a elite tournament gets out of playing down if he is not really going to do a PG year? Also can any one name a example of a kid ever planning on doing a PG year and changing his mind at the last second and going to college with his correct year?

College coaches are going to learn very quickly in the next 1-3 years as ER recruits flow in that it was a mistake to flatter kids who played down to get noticed. It counts for a lot less as kids age into their later teens, but 13-23 months older than kids in the same grade is a huge advantage to kids through their mid teens. When I see a bigger, stronger, faster, more mature and more technically developed 16 year old versus a 14 1/2 year old all I really think is that kid SHOULD be better by a large margin against the younger competition. The spread collapses as they age up. Look at some DMV area prep teams. Gonzaga, PVI, Prep, Landon, yeah they get all the lights out 8th graders to assemble. Then as juniors and seniors a lot of those kids aren't even the 3rd best middie or attackman on their own team. Of course the accolades keep coming if they were early commits, but that just beards the reality that these kids lost their alpha which was to just be older than the herd during the growth phase years for boys. Look at the UVA commits in the 2016 and 2017 classes playing at WCAC and IAC schools. Zero examples of being elite versus high school competition. Yes, those are good prep leagues but high school ball is light years below college ball.

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College coaches are going to learn very quickly in the next 1-3 years as ER recruits flow in that it was a mistake to flatter kids who played down to get noticed. It counts for a lot less as kids age into their later teens, but 13-23 months older than kids in the same grade is a huge advantage to kids through their mid teens. When I see a bigger, stronger, faster, more mature and more technically developed 16 year old versus a 14 1/2 year old all I really think is that kid SHOULD be better by a large margin against the younger competition. The spread collapses as they age up. Look at some DMV area prep teams. Gonzaga, PVI, Prep, Landon, yeah they get all the lights out 8th graders to assemble. Then as juniors and seniors a lot of those kids aren't even the 3rd best middie or attackman on their own team. Of course the accolades keep coming if they were early commits, but that just beards the reality that these kids lost their alpha which was to just be older than the herd during the growth phase years for boys. Look at the UVA commits in the 2016 and 2017 classes playing at WCAC and IAC schools. Zero examples of being elite versus high school competition. Yes, those are good prep leagues but high school ball is light years below college ball.

This can be said about all college recruits in all sports. The hit to miss ratio is low no matter when they verbal/sign the kids. The point people miss is most teams bring in 12 to 14 recruits. And most schools have somewhere between 2 to 4 full rides to spread out between these 12 to 14 boys. So lets just say for easy math the give 6 kids half rides. That means 6 to 8 of the kids coming in are paying there way into school. So where is the risk the school is taking by picking some or all of them early. The game is played with what 20 to 25 kids playing 99% of the minutes.And most D1 schools carry 40 to 50 kids on the team. So if they hit on 4 to 6 of the 14 kids they are more then good. So my point is ER hurts the school very very little unless all 14 kids are busts.

Where's 2024 Capital Madlax playing next weekend (9th)? Hershey or NXT Cup?

You need depth to win. Can't be a top program and just get through seasons running 4 middies into the ground and count on 2 LSMs, 1 quality FOGO, 1 quality goalie, 4 poles and 4 guys on attack. Injuries, kids dropping a non revenue sport to be a normal college kid / have a better social life / major in something hard like engineering where there are labs, etc. Then you have the laws of 1/2 the can't miss guys miss. The IAC, the WCAC, being a Crab or Madlax or whatever...those are kiddie pools compared to high level D1 sports. I get it that 6-7 kids get a fractional scholarship and then the last 4-6 get no money. I do think the mentality of, well if I can just find 4 kids who can play in every class that makes 16. A roster with 25-30 busts / practice players (assuming they don't quit) doesn't cut it. ER is a disaster. Getting 1 star a year means nothing if the talent and depth around the stars can't play. Look at UVA. They seem to get the unquestioned #1, 2 or 3 kid in each class and they sucked. 25+ kids on their team couldn't start at Tufts or Limestone. Doesn't cut it.

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You need depth to win. Can't be a top program and just get through seasons running 4 middies into the ground and count on 2 LSMs, 1 quality FOGO, 1 quality goalie, 4 poles and 4 guys on attack. Injuries, kids dropping a non revenue sport to be a normal college kid / have a better social life / major in something hard like engineering where there are labs, etc. Then you have the laws of 1/2 the can't miss guys miss. The IAC, the WCAC, being a Crab or Madlax or whatever...those are kiddie pools compared to high level D1 sports. I get it that 6-7 kids get a fractional scholarship and then the last 4-6 get no money. I do think the mentality of, well if I can just find 4 kids who can play in every class that makes 16. A roster with 25-30 busts / practice players (assuming they don't quit) doesn't cut it. ER is a disaster. Getting 1 star a year means nothing if the talent and depth around the stars can't play. Look at UVA. They seem to get the unquestioned #1, 2 or 3 kid in each class and they sucked. 25+ kids on their team couldn't start at Tufts or Limestone. Doesn't cut it.

You can not talk about any team playing college lacrosse last year or before when we are talking about ER in general. All the kids who I would call a ER are still in high school. You can not have a opinion about ERs tell they hit college and graduate college. So I would say you can not call ER bad for another 6 years. Then we can say ER is bad and did not work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where's 2024 Capital Madlax playing next weekend (9th)? Hershey or NXT Cup?

Hershey it is. The kids love the park and the parents love the park. The tournament is not bad but not great.

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Ok please let me know what the kid who is planning on doing a PG year gets out of playing back a year if he does not PG? The college scouts are watching a 2018 game with that class in there heads. So if a college wants this player for his 2018 class he fits with this 2018 class coming into his school. If this kid tells the college later he will be coming to his college in 2017 class this kid will most likely not fit and be told he does not have a spot in this colleges 2017 class. And if we have a kid doing a PG year he is most likely behind the curve in some way, size,skill, or grades. So please once again tell me what the kid playing in a elite tournament gets out of playing down if he is not really going to do a PG year? Also can any one name a example of a kid ever planning on doing a PG year and changing his mind at the last second and going to college with his correct year?

Having multiple kids playing down because they they may do a PG year down the road.

Having the owner threaten people.

Having more reclassed kids than anyone except Crabs.

Splitting your B teams into two in order to make more money

Pulling kids out of HoCo

Good thing you have an excuse for everything. Maybe that's why kids are going to different clubs.

Anyone hear the rumor that Long Island Express and Bethesda are merging? If so, how does that help each other? Is this to set up tournaments?

How do you explain UNC then. They are one of the most if not most aggressive early recruiters. I believe they one the Nat'l Championship!

Breschi seems to have a better nose than the other guys. He looks also at the sports legacy...were parents college athletes, are parents and siblings athletic looking or are they nerdy little folks, older siblings athletes? Starsia was a total bozo on this. Tillman is bad at it too. Maryland is bailed out by the fact they have a huge roster size allowance and they are aggressive to take transfers. Several of their top players have been transfers.

ER is a mess. The kids in the 2016 & 2017 classes could be considered among the first. Lots of those kids have failed to separate from high school level competition. It will look like a joke when they get to college.

Enjoy man. That's the way to wrap it up. We forget they are 10.

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How do you explain UNC then. They are one of the most if not most aggressive early recruiters. I believe they one the Nat'l Championship!

Do you really think that they "one" the championship?

Say what you would like. But you still did not answer my question. What do kids get out of playing in a elite tournament and lying about PGing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do you explain UNC then. They are one of the most if not most aggressive early recruiters. I believe they one the Nat'l Championship!

Possibly - still a chance it will be vacated due to classes the kids did not attend.

Watching the Olympic Trials in swimming it strikes me how great and humble the personalities of the kids are. How does that sport manage to keep the boorish things that lacrosse has out? They didn't interview many parents, but when they flashed to parents like the Ledeckys, those folks seem so supportive and normal. It really makes me embarrassed to ever sit in the stands at a lacrosse event.

Yeah, Brock Turner's dad is a real gem. Not that I don't agree with lax sidelines gone ballistic. But, it's not just lax. It's all sports and it's awful.

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Yeah, Brock Turner's dad is a real gem. Not that I don't agree with lax sidelines gone ballistic. But, it's not just lax. It's all sports and it's awful.

Nice lacrosse dad comment. Ya, pick the one bad seed in another sport to offset the mass of it in lacrosse. This is the enablers' sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you would like. But you still did not answer my question. What do kids get out of playing in a elite tournament and lying about PGing?

Don't think many kids are doing that, I typically see kids dropping down as upper classman when 90% of their class is full, but these kids are sincere about pg'ing if a school shows interest. Guess there could be one or two dummies out there that don't understand how the recruiting process works. Also, many clubs won't let you play as a pg unless you are sincere.

I think your intel is wrong my friend.

This will give Bethesda Parents a path to high school teams that does not exist today. Bethesda currently ends their program at grade 8.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This will give Bethesda Parents a path to high school teams that does not exist today. Bethesda currently ends their program at grade 8.

The Express is not going to buy a non-profit. Please.

As expected, the owner is coaching his sons. Was that really a surprise to you? He already takes over certain teams if they are playing a big game, relegating their actual coach to being a bystander. Did you really think he wouldn't coach that team when he's already there with his sons?

Madlax = daddy ball

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As expected, the owner is coaching his sons. Was that really a surprise to you? He already takes over certain teams if they are playing a big game, relegating their actual coach to being a bystander. Did you really think he wouldn't coach that team when he's already there with his sons?

Madlax = daddy ball

Well he did not coach his sons this summer. He was the head coach of 2 top private high schools. They have been a team for 20 years and have had a dad coaching a team 3 times over this time span. His sons are really good players so they would be getting playing time for any 2024 team in the country. They have had paid coaches for 20 years. Each coach has played college lacrosse or coached high level college or high school ball. You can say some bad things about Madlax but saying Daddy ball coaching is by far the biggest lie you can tell about this club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As expected, the owner is coaching his sons. Was that really a surprise to you? He already takes over certain teams if they are playing a big game, relegating their actual coach to being a bystander. Did you really think he wouldn't coach that team when he's already there with his sons?

Madlax = daddy ball

His sons are babies 2024 I think every dad should be able to coach his sons at this age. This is not a point to try and make tell his sons are in 8th grade or older. The hate is just pouring from this guys fingers. I am sorry he cut your son. I am sure your son is a heck of a ball player. He just had a bad tryout.

That is not how the deal is going to happen. LI Express is not buying Bethesda. Based on your tone it sounds like you have all the answers so why don't you enlighten us.

I love the way people act when they can hide behind the internet.

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That is not how the deal is going to happen. LI Express is not buying Bethesda. Based on your tone it sounds like you have all the answers so why don't you enlighten us.

I love the way people act when they can hide behind the internet.

Clara Barton Express? Cabin John Express? I like it.

Maryland Express

isn't Bethesda a community nonprofit program. i know they have their travel/club teams but they also run a rec program right? doesn't seem like there would be much "synergy" in express "buying" them. Maybe they would partner to serve high school teams...

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isn't Bethesda a community nonprofit program. i know they have their travel/club teams but they also run a rec program right? doesn't seem like there would be much "synergy" in express "buying" them. Maybe they would partner to serve high school teams...

I love how the cycle goes the clubs multiply then after some time they join up to form partners and National teams. I think there should be less clubs and these less larger clubs have A, B and C teams. This is a way better formula. The 100 different club model we have now does not work.

Why is the Mighty Madlax 2024 AAA playing in the B division at Hershey not with the better teams at this age at NXT?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is the Mighty Madlax 2024 AAA playing in the B division at Hershey not with the better teams at this age at NXT?

Well because they are babies at this age group. And the kids have fun going to the park. A good youth schedule should have at least one "easy" one. That way before the summer they can tell your parents if you must miss one of these 4 tournaments please miss this one.

LOL. Madlax makes their teams play in 5+ tournaments a summer. Complete waste of money and time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Madlax makes their teams play in 5+ tournaments a summer. Complete waste of money and time.

This post cracks me up. Check the website each team plays 4 tournaments. Check the dates of the tournaments some are one day style this might be confusing you. And I have never heard a elite lacrosse kid say " dad we play in way to many lacrosse tournaments"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Madlax makes their teams play in 5+ tournaments a summer. Complete waste of money and time.

This post cracks me up. Check the website each team plays 4 tournaments. Check the dates of the tournaments some are one day style this might be confusing you. And I have never heard a elite lacrosse kid say " dad we play in way to many lacrosse tournaments"

Because you haven't been around the block and/or are in love with the owner.

Everyone knows that 2-3 tournaments is fine for everyone. It allows kids to play in showcases and prospect days, or play with their HS teams a couple of times.

If you think that 5 isn't way too much, I can't help you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Madlax makes their teams play in 5+ tournaments a summer. Complete waste of money and time.

This post cracks me up. Check the website each team plays 4 tournaments. Check the dates of the tournaments some are one day style this might be confusing you. And I have never heard a elite lacrosse kid say " dad we play in way to many lacrosse tournaments"

Because you haven't been around the block and/or are in love with the owner.

Everyone knows that 2-3 tournaments is fine for everyone. It allows kids to play in showcases and prospect days, or play with their HS teams a couple of times.

If you think that 5 isn't way too much, I can't help you.

So please help me out here the kids playing in a couple showcases and with there high school teams please explain how this does not add up to the same amount of Lacrosse field time. Also please tell me how you save money with 3 tournaments and 2 or more showcase compared to 4 or 5 tournaments. I would say the money is the same. And all the Madlax tournaments are showcase elite tournaments. And some have a showcase built into them on the Friday before. So in my humble opinion these would work out to the same. And in my humble opinion my son looks better when playing with his teammates then in a showcase setting with all the hero ball being played. The best format is team tournaments and then doing the school you like/can play for prospect days. Any showcase with 225 kids or so does you no good unless the coach knows you will be there and is coming to see you play.

Yeah, those Madlax tournaments in Poolesville are really elite tournaments. LOL.

[quote=Anonymous]Yeah, those Madlax tournaments in Poolesville are really elite tournaments. LOL. [/quote
Well this shows how dumb you are. No capital team 2020 and above played in a Madlax tournament this summer. The younger teams do because it's close to home.
The blind hate you have for Madlax is amazing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As expected, the owner is coaching his sons. Was that really a surprise to you? He already takes over certain teams if they are playing a big game, relegating their actual coach to being a bystander. Did you really think he wouldn't coach that team when he's already there with his sons?

Madlax = daddy ball

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well he did not coach his sons this summer.

Yes, he does. Check out their Instagram page.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As expected, the owner is coaching his sons. Was that really a surprise to you? He already takes over certain teams if they are playing a big game, relegating their actual coach to being a bystander. Did you really think he wouldn't coach that team when he's already there with his sons?

Madlax = daddy ball

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well he did not coach his sons this summer.

Once again this is a 2024 team = babies. 2nd 20 years of top notch non dad coaches is not erased by the owner who has coaching Resume coaching his sons team sometimes

Yes, he does. Check out their Instagram page.

LOL. The 2024 team won a B tournament and posted a photo on their Instagram page. Guess who's in it? The guy you say isn't coaching his sons but actually is. As if that was ever in doubt.

Is Performance now the feeder program for Bethesda Lacrosse?

No Bethesda is creating a new Club for 8th grade and older - DC Express. BLC/Performance/LI Express as Partners. Nothing changes at BLC other than 8th Grade is now DC Express. Official Announcement coming soon. All players welcomed to Tryouts - just seeking best players - school and youth program does not matter.

Not sure I understand. How does this help LI Express? If Bethesda is not the feeder program for Performance, How does this help them?

Bethesda is the feeder - and other local clubs will have kids that come over too / for sure - so they can get a top tier focused experience locally.

If I understand correctly - After 8th grade (DC Express), the Bethesda teams will continue to Performance to make high school teams.

After 7th grade. So DC Express 2021 will be formed at tryouts next month.

Will DC Express 2017 - 2020 be based from Performance?

Bethesda is now the feeder for Performance which will be rebranded Maryland Express.

the goal is to keep the Bethesda travel players from leaving for other clubs as they hit eighth grade. Happens every year their rising 8th group gets gutted.

Both Bethesda 2021 and Performance 2021 has tryouts posted on their website. If you want to tryout for DC Express, which club tryout do you register for?

Also, as previous poster wrote, How does any of this help LI Express? Is this to form a "National Team"?

Maybe not ready for prime time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both Bethesda 2021 and Performance 2021 has tryouts posted on their website. If you want to tryout for DC Express, which club tryout do you register for?

Also, as previous poster wrote, How does any of this help LI Express? Is this to form a "National Team"?

I think this is a example of two many clubs for a area. Teams need to all think about combining and going with 2 teams at each age level. This will keep the talent on the correct level. With so many teams most teams have AAA, AA, A, and B level players playing on the same team. With less clubs the talent is correctly placed on the correct level team. This way hurts kids feelings and we all know this can not be done in 2016. "My kid is a AA player I am leaving this team to play on this other AA team, how dare you tell me my son is a A player. Even though you have been coaching for 25 years I know he is AA not A."

This should put the nail in the coffin of Club Blue, which was already teetering on the brink of not fielding teams for next year at several grade levels.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This should put the nail in the coffin of Club Blue, which was already teetering on the brink of not fielding teams for next year at several grade levels.

I think the should remove 4 clubs from Maryland and at least 2 clubs from NOVA. This would push the talent level and numbers up for the better clubs left.

What does LI Express get out of this partnership?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does LI Express get out of this partnership?

2 or 5 players for a National team and Money is my guess.

What clubs do most Bethesda kids move to? I'm guessing it will hurt those clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What clubs do most Bethesda kids move to? I'm guessing it will hurt those clubs.

The good ones from the 2020 team went to Next Level - that is how that team went from average to great

The 2021 team is the first one with so much talent. The boys were discussing going to Crabs and/or NL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What clubs do most Bethesda kids move to? I'm guessing it will hurt those clubs.

The good ones from the 2020 team went to Next Level - that is how that team went from average to great

The 2021 team is the first one with so much talent. The boys were discussing going to Crabs and/or NL.

As a Madlax old guy I hate to say it but NL looks to be the team on the rise. They seem to be locking down some talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What clubs do most Bethesda kids move to? I'm guessing it will hurt those clubs.

The good ones from the 2020 team went to Next Level - that is how that team went from average to great

The 2021 team is the first one with so much talent. The boys were discussing going to Crabs and/or NL.

As a Madlax old guy I hate to say it but NL looks to be the team on the rise. They seem to be locking down some talent.

The coaches of the Heights have done a great job reviving the program. They seem to have brought back the Landon connection which is definitely a plus.

Will be interesting to see if Bethesda/Performance becomes more affiliated with Bullis since the Megill brothers coach there.

Mater Dei is the wildcard. They currently mostly feed Bethesda and Club Blue, but if Club Blue goes away that group of kids could really elevate another program

Well has anyone read what the new Fall plan for Madlax is. I think this is a way better way to do it. We will no longer play in the NL fall games only Sunday league. Which is good because lots of kids play with there high school in this league or play in the Public high school Sat. fall league. They will be doing a hour and a half per grade level ( All three teams in one place) skills practice every weekend. Then we will be playing in our normal 3 Fall one day tournaments. I like the format of all three teams practicing at one time. Great advantage to the kids on the state teams this should push them to get better for sure. Also they will not make rosters for the tournaments tell the week or two before the first tournament. This should be good to find the real best 20 or so players for the Cap. team. any thoughts ????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well has anyone read what the new Fall plan for Madlax is. I think this is a way better way to do it. We will no longer play in the NL fall games only Sunday league. Which is good because lots of kids play with there high school in this league or play in the Public high school Sat. fall league. They will be doing a hour and a half per grade level ( All three teams in one place) skills practice every weekend. Then we will be playing in our normal 3 Fall one day tournaments. I like the format of all three teams practicing at one time. Great advantage to the kids on the state teams this should push them to get better for sure. Also they will not make rosters for the tournaments tell the week or two before the first tournament. This should be good to find the real best 20 or so players for the Cap. team. any thoughts ????

Will be hard to field three teams with the resurgence of NL and the formation of DCExpress. All of the MadLax B teams had a rough summer which might drive some kids away
This academy system can only help at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well has anyone read what the new Fall plan for Madlax is. I think this is a way better way to do it. We will no longer play in the NL fall games only Sunday league. Which is good because lots of kids play with there high school in this league or play in the Public high school Sat. fall league. They will be doing a hour and a half per grade level ( All three teams in one place) skills practice every weekend. Then we will be playing in our normal 3 Fall one day tournaments. I like the format of all three teams practicing at one time. Great advantage to the kids on the state teams this should push them to get better for sure. Also they will not make rosters for the tournaments tell the week or two before the first tournament. This should be good to find the real best 20 or so players for the Cap. team. any thoughts ????

Will be hard to field three teams with the resurgence of NL and the formation of DCExpress. All of the MadLax B teams had a rough summer which might drive some kids away
This academy system can only help at this point.

Well if you see this summer 2019 was the only age that had 3 teams. All other grades went to a MD/VA team. The neat part was the 2019 state teams Va and MD had the most success record wise compared to the other MD/VA combined teams. But If I had to guess they will go to a combined 2019 team moving forward.

Does anyone really think that the formation of DC Express is going to change anything? Performance already had high school teams that were B level at best. If Bethesda team stay together and goes to Performance, yes they will be better... but Crabs, etc... will not be as good.

Everyone needs to get a clue in next level - no one from Bethesda would ever go there. All the teams are terrible / look at hoco results / all bad. 2020 was decent and went 1-5 or 2-4 in hoco / so let's not get silly calling them great.

Next level will be out of business in a year. Bethesda and MadLax not entering the fall or winter league they run - which accounts for all of their profit. Sorry - 2020 can hang on, but that's it and will be their only half decent high school team.

Bethesda teams beat the snot out of next level at 21,22,23,24,25,26......... Sorry - just reality.

So, will Madlax cut any players during tryouts? If they don't want to form the Capital teams now, I get that, but are they going to keep the best 40 kids (assuming Capital and MDVA) and then determine which team they make for tourneys?

Madlax will do whatever makes them the most money. Period.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, will Madlax cut any players during tryouts? If they don't want to form the Capital teams now, I get that, but are they going to keep the best 40 kids (assuming Capital and MDVA) and then determine which team they make for tourneys?

Well I do not see huge numbers of cuts at any age. They have 2 teams at every grade but 2019. And looking at the website they have 20 or less names on the MD and VA rosters. I think they do see the high school format that some of the other larger clubs do. With a large roster that is fluid with who is on the team. This way they can see who will be able to attend a tournament then make a top team then the rest play for a second team that week. I think with the increase of high school summer tournaments, prospect days and showcases that the kids want to/need to attend. A fluid roster with a large number is the best way to not get caught with your pants down.

Curious who will evaluate the DC Express teams. Bethesda teams in the past were based on politics... not the best players. Would be good to see the new guys make teams based on best players - not who's friends with Johnny.

Funny hearing the BLC homer try to bash Next Level. No one would ever go there? Really? Almost 1/2 the NL2020 team is from BLC who's 8th grade team collapsed due to bad coaching and limited training opportunities. NL2020 may not be "great" but can for sure hang with the top teams in the HOCO league and nation. Whats the alternative? The new DC Express will have a rough start of it next year. The BLC 2021 team is good so if they stick together it could be a good start in another year when they're freshman.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned another melt down by Cabell and his Madlax National 2020 team at the 3D tournament in the semifinals. Madlax invited a handful of the top Cannons players and out of towners to stack the MadLax National 2020 team. They still lost in dramatic fashion only Cabell is capable of. Total embarrassment to the Madlax team and program giving anyone playing and watching further evidence that Madlax is a total disaster led by a class A jerk. Throw in a few crazy Madlax parents arguing with the refs after the game was a new low for the Madlax program and bad for youth lacrosse in general.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny hearing the BLC homer try to bash Next Level. No one would ever go there? Really? Almost 1/2 the NL2020 team is from BLC who's 8th grade team collapsed due to bad coaching and limited training opportunities. NL2020 may not be "great" but can for sure hang with the top teams in the HOCO league and nation. Whats the alternative? The new DC Express will have a rough start of it next year. The BLC 2021 team is good so if they stick together it could be a good start in another year when they're freshman.

Seriously, lets not facts in the the way of feelings!
The BLC 2020 is a 'C' level team at best while the NL 2020 competed well in the top recruiting tournaments over the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm surprised no one has mentioned another melt down by Cabell and his Madlax National 2020 team at the 3D tournament in the semifinals. Madlax invited a handful of the top Cannons players and out of towners to stack the MadLax National 2020 team. They still lost in dramatic fashion only Cabell is capable of. Total embarrassment to the Madlax team and program giving anyone playing and watching further evidence that Madlax is a total disaster led by a class A jerk. Throw in a few crazy Madlax parents arguing with the refs after the game was a new low for the Madlax program and bad for youth lacrosse in general.

So a team lost a game. This equals a club melt down. Ok got it. Madlax knows the 2020 team is weak. You can see by the number of none Capital players on this National team. Its hard to win big games when a team is made up of kids from 5 programs. As for parents yelling at Refs this is a youth sport common theme. This is not a one team problem. I saw a dad yelling at the ref at a soccer game on the way to the 3D tournament was that Madlaxs fault?

Yes its a meltdown when Maddux acts like a complete idiot during the entire game yelling at the ref asking for a delay of game shot clock call. He then refuses to leave the field when OT is to start challenging the ref or more like begging him to call a foul/penalty. Guess you had to be there to witness Maddux destroy any chances his team had to win in OT. As for hard to win big games with kids from 5 different programs? Guess you didn't watch teams like FCA win Naptown last week on CSN with players from many different programs. All the top programs (91, FCA, Crabs) bring in top players from other teams just for summer tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm surprised no one has mentioned another melt down by Cabell and his Madlax National 2020 team at the 3D tournament in the semifinals. Madlax invited a handful of the top Cannons players and out of towners to stack the MadLax National 2020 team. They still lost in dramatic fashion only Cabell is capable of. Total embarrassment to the Madlax team and program giving anyone playing and watching further evidence that Madlax is a total disaster led by a class A jerk. Throw in a few crazy Madlax parents arguing with the refs after the game was a new low for the Madlax program and bad for youth lacrosse in general.

So a team lost a game. This equals a club melt down. Ok got it. Madlax knows the 2020 team is weak. You can see by the number of none Capital players on this National team. Its hard to win big games when a team is made up of kids from 5 programs. As for parents yelling at Refs this is a youth sport common theme. This is not a one team problem. I saw a dad yelling at the ref at a soccer game on the way to the 3D tournament was that Madlaxs fault?

I saw this while waiting to take the field for the next game. Madlax scored two quick goals to tie the game for OT. The ref tried to hustle the teams to face off while players were trying to get water and get organized. The ref whistled Madlax for delay of game and the other team (forget team) scored in about 20 seconds or so. Very questionable call for OT in a semifinal game. I didn't hear any yelling from the parents but it looked like some went to ask the ref what had happened. Madlax coach was ticked but gathered his team and exited the field as we came on. Would have liked to see a braveheart!

In a tournament, you have to go to OT right away because things are getting backed up. If you let kids get water, that is asking for a 5 minute delay because those kids are going to get instruction from the coach as well.

If the refs told them to take the field and he didn't see them making a concerted attempt to do so while the other team did, that is a legitimate flag to throw.

IT was a 100 degree heat index on Sunday - games were being stopped by refs to let kids get water

Sounds like a weak reason to throw a flag unless something else was going on

Well has anyone read what the new Fall plan for Madlax is. I think this is a way better way to do it. We will no longer play in the NL fall games only Sunday league. Which is good because lots of kids play with there high school in this league or play in the Public high school Sat. fall league. They will be doing a hour and a half per grade level ( All three teams in one place) skills practice every weekend. Then we will be playing in our normal 3 Fall one day tournaments. I like the format of all three teams practicing at one time. Great advantage to the kids on the state teams this should push them to get better for sure. Also they will not make rosters for the tournaments tell the week or two before the first tournament. This should be good to find the real best 20 or so players for the Cap. team. any thoughts ????

Only reason Madlax is doing this is because kids won't stick around if they are not on the Capital team. This way, Madlax collects $$$ for those that would have otherwise gone to another club.

Kids do not stick around when they're not on capital because their parents are weak minded babies. They leave Madlax second-team to go play for a inferior clubs first team so they can feel good about themselves. Madlax second team plays in way better tournaments then 80% of these B and low-level A teams out there. Please compare Madlax second-team's tournament schedules to clubs like Zingo's Cavaliers or anything in this range . You can whine about the cost of Madlax all day but their second team product is still better then most clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids do not stick around when they're not on capital because their parents are weak minded babies. They leave Madlax second-team to go play for a inferior clubs first team so they can feel good about themselves. Madlax second team plays in way better tournaments then 80% of these B and low-level A teams out there. Please compare Madlax second-team's tournament schedules to clubs like Zingo's Cavaliers or anything in this range . You can whine about the cost of Madlax all day but their second team product is still better then most clubs.

Why in the world would any player not on Capital stay in the program? Zero commits from a "second team" to date. I think Cavalier and Zingo's have D1 commits, answers your question.

As a matter of fact, the commits really come from the National team so isn't Capital the new "second team"?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids do not stick around when they're not on capital because their parents are weak minded babies. They leave Madlax second-team to go play for a inferior clubs first team so they can feel good about themselves. Madlax second team plays in way better tournaments then 80% of these B and low-level A teams out there. Please compare Madlax second-team's tournament schedules to clubs like Zingo's Cavaliers or anything in this range . You can whine about the cost of Madlax all day but their second team product is still better then most clubs.

Why in the world would any player not on Capital stay in the program? Zero commits from a "second team" to date. I think Cavalier and Zingo's have D1 commits, answers your question.

As a matter of fact, the commits really come from the National team so isn't Capital the new "second team"?

National Teams have always been 90+% Capital players with a small handful of others from regional clubs/partner programs

Is Blackwolf folding? There are reports on 2020 page that it is...

Doubt it, he's definitely looking to fill out a 2020 roster. Quality players from Madlax VLC, and Crabs were all at the camp.

Website is down. Cancelled camp and teams barely played this summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids do not stick around when they're not on capital because their parents are weak minded babies. They leave Madlax second-team to go play for a inferior clubs first team so they can feel good about themselves. Madlax second team plays in way better tournaments then 80% of these B and low-level A teams out there. Please compare Madlax second-team's tournament schedules to clubs like Zingo's Cavaliers or anything in this range . You can whine about the cost of Madlax all day but their second team product is still better then most clubs.

Why in the world would any player not on Capital stay in the program? Zero commits from a "second team" to date. I think Cavalier and Zingo's have D1 commits, answers your question.

As a matter of fact, the commits really come from the National team so isn't Capital the new "second team"?

I never said those two teams did not have a couple good players. But I know most of those kids parents from those two clubs. And they paid for tons of showcases and prospect days to be seen. And it was these that got them on a D 1 radar. Not one look from the crap tournaments these two clubs play in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doubt it, he's definitely looking to fill out a 2020 roster. Quality players from Madlax VLC, and Crabs were all at the camp.

That's what people said last year, and he was only able to poach a few of the good 2019s in the area. He has struggled the past few years to poach kids. Look at that 2019 team.

Might have more success because of how weak 2020 is overall in this area, but don't get too excited. His base are kids who aren't interested in the Madlax BS. But he has gotten fewer of the VA kids especially now that everything is done at STJ.

Madlax 2019 wins Young Guns with National team. Say what you want the Madlax 2019 is the best.

Anyone at the Madlax v Crush 2020 game? 11-7 wth? No other team seems to score that much on them.

Most of the kids on the A teams started out on the b team. That is why you stick it out on the b team

Madlax 2020 scored against Orange Crush? Who cares. Madlax went 1-4 in the Terps young guns tourny and lost to 3D tristate and Sweetlax florida. These are teams that I would expect Madlax to beat. The only team they could beat was Dukes who lost to everyone. You've got to admit it that the Madlax 2020 team is a trainwreck. Gonna be hard to attract top players when you lay a egg like they did this weekend.

How did Next Level and Bethesda do at that tournament?

Dukes hahahahahahahhaah

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 scored against Orange Crush? Who cares. Madlax went 1-4 in the Terps young guns tourny and lost to 3D tristate and Sweetlax florida. These are teams that I would expect Madlax to beat. The only team they could beat was Dukes who lost to everyone. You've got to admit it that the Madlax 2020 team is a trainwreck. Gonna be hard to attract top players when you lay a egg like they did this weekend.

I have to point it out again for the 1000 time what VA/DC team is better at the 2020 age? Madlax 2020 has not preformed at a elite level on the USA scale but they are still the best 2020 option for any 2020 in VA hands down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone at the Madlax v Crush 2020 game? 11-7 wth? No other team seems to score that much on them.

I watched most of that game - I believe it was 5-2 at half Crush. Madlax made a pretty good comeback during second half largely attributable to a non-releasable penalty against Crush for really high cross check. Notwithstanding Madlax look to hold their own, got the ball inside top crease a few times for easy dunks and had a few from about 10 yards out. Crush is an excellent team, great passing, stick skills and size in some key positions... Based on what i saw in this game I wouldn't consider Madlax 2020 a "trainwreck" - they appeared to raise their game against the best 2020 team in the country...

I agree on madlax 2020.....they are a vastly improved team and probably the best among the DMV options from a competitive stand point....for now anyways. I'm not sure they are worth the extra $ but that is another discussion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone at the Madlax v Crush 2020 game? 11-7 wth? No other team seems to score that much on them.

I watched most of that game - I believe it was 5-2 at half Crush. Madlax made a pretty good comeback during second half largely attributable to a non-releasable penalty against Crush for really high cross check. Notwithstanding Madlax look to hold their own, got the ball inside top crease a few times for easy dunks and had a few from about 10 yards out. Crush is an excellent team, great passing, stick skills and size in some key positions... Based on what i saw in this game I wouldn't consider Madlax 2020 a "trainwreck" - they appeared to raise their game against the best 2020 team in the country...

I heard Maddux was there coaching and that would make a huge difference on effort and strategy. He's a really good coach but can only do so much for each team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree on madlax 2020.....they are a vastly improved team and probably the best among the DMV options from a competitive stand point....for now anyways. I'm not sure they are worth the extra $ but that is another discussion.

Well lets discuss the extra money. These kids getting looks from these lesser DMV clubs are spending $600 extra dollars on showcases and Prospect days. If not more. Madlax is more money but they are playing in top tournaments and 4 or 5 of them. So the clubs that only do 3 or less those players still go out and pay and play in 3 or 4 other things on top of the 3 tournaments. The money adds up fast and close to the same. And I have said this a 100 times the same parents talking about Madlax being 300 or 600 more are the same parents getting $200 dollar sticks 2 or 3 times a year and driving away in a 80k car. I never understand why they do not get the "you get what you pay for" quote.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree on madlax 2020.....they are a vastly improved team and probably the best among the DMV options from a competitive stand point....for now anyways. I'm not sure they are worth the extra $ but that is another discussion.

Well lets discuss the extra money. These kids getting looks from these lesser DMV clubs are spending $600 extra dollars on showcases and Prospect days. If not more. Madlax is more money but they are playing in top tournaments and 4 or 5 of them. So the clubs that only do 3 or less those players still go out and pay and play in 3 or 4 other things on top of the 3 tournaments. The money adds up fast and close to the same. And I have said this a 100 times the same parents talking about Madlax being 300 or 600 more are the same parents getting $200 dollar sticks 2 or 3 times a year and driving away in a 80k car. I never understand why they do not get the "you get what you pay for" quote.

How is Madlax 2020 the best among the DMV options for 2020's? They have lost to NL2020 at least 4 times this year including the last 3D tournament when Cabell tried to stack the team with Cannon players and others from out of the DMV for a "National" team. Add in the losses to team's like 3D Tri state and Sweetlax FLA and a 1-4 record in TerpsYoungGuns and you've got a 2nd tier team in the DMV. I guess you can have an opinion but the results speak for themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree on madlax 2020.....they are a vastly improved team and probably the best among the DMV options from a competitive stand point....for now anyways. I'm not sure they are worth the extra $ but that is another discussion.

Well lets discuss the extra money. These kids getting looks from these lesser DMV clubs are spending $600 extra dollars on showcases and Prospect days. If not more. Madlax is more money but they are playing in top tournaments and 4 or 5 of them. So the clubs that only do 3 or less those players still go out and pay and play in 3 or 4 other things on top of the 3 tournaments. The money adds up fast and close to the same. And I have said this a 100 times the same parents talking about Madlax being 300 or 600 more are the same parents getting $200 dollar sticks 2 or 3 times a year and driving away in a 80k car. I never understand why they do not get the "you get what you pay for" quote.

How is Madlax 2020 the best among the DMV options for 2020's? They have lost to NL2020 at least 4 times this year including the last 3D tournament when Cabell tried to stack the team with Cannon players and others from out of the DMV for a "National" team. Add in the losses to team's like 3D Tri state and Sweetlax FLA and a 1-4 record in TerpsYoungGuns and you've got a 2nd tier team in the DMV. I guess you can have an opinion but the results speak for themselves.

Ok they lost to NL. NL is a Maryland team so you are correct they are a DMV team. But they are a hard option for all the NOVA people to get over the bridge. But I will give you them. So please name a better option for a 2020 kid who lives in the DMV not named NL? I agree they are not top 10 in the USA but what are they ranked in the DMV and please name teams.

Looney's best madlax 14-4 at Terp stadium. Give us your prediction on Looney's vs Team 88+3

Blackwolf's 2020 team is better than MadLax's and would put VLC and Next Level on par. Throw in Cavalier and Top Caliber with MadLax as equal ability and potential. Lots of options for 2020s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blackwolf's 2020 team is better than MadLax's and would put VLC and Next Level on par. Throw in Cavalier and Top Caliber with MadLax as equal ability and potential. Lots of options for 2020s.

Can you cite or point to any Blackwolf 2020 results? I cannot find anything Blackwolf 2020 on any tournament sites.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blackwolf's 2020 team is better than MadLax's and would put VLC and Next Level on par. Throw in Cavalier and Top Caliber with MadLax as equal ability and potential. Lots of options for 2020s.

Can you cite or point to any Blackwolf 2020 results? I cannot find anything Blackwolf 2020 on any tournament sites.

I thought BW was out of business?
Weak teams, weak tournaments. Outside of SJ players and wannabe SJ recruits, who would want to play for Trig? Not only a jerk, stealing players, but now in DC? NO thanks. Cavalier is just as good and local too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blackwolf's 2020 team is better than MadLax's and would put VLC and Next Level on par. Throw in Cavalier and Top Caliber with MadLax as equal ability and potential. Lots of options for 2020s.

Can you cite or point to any Blackwolf 2020 results? I cannot find anything Blackwolf 2020 on any tournament sites.

I thought BW was out of business?
Weak teams, weak tournaments. Outside of SJ players and wannabe SJ recruits, who would want to play for Trig? Not only a jerk, stealing players, but now in DC? NO thanks. Cavalier is just as good and local too

Really guys Cavs 2020 would get smoked by Madlax. And Blackwolf 2020 is not a real thing yet. Top Cal. Will also get smoked by Madlax. And Cavs and TP play in joke tournaments.

Next levels b team beat top cal and cavs

I am still waiting for a 2020 top 5 list for the DMV/NOVA area. And some tournaments and records should be provided for back up.
We can agree once you take out NL none are elite but Madlax is the closest one to Elite and has a real history of have Elite teams example Madlax 2019 and 2018. So stop trying to out think the process and just pay a little more money and play for the best option Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 scored against Orange Crush? Who cares. Madlax went 1-4 in the Terps young guns tourny and lost to 3D tristate and Sweetlax florida. These are teams that I would expect Madlax to beat. The only team they could beat was Dukes who lost to everyone. You've got to admit it that the Madlax 2020 team is a trainwreck. Gonna be hard to attract top players when you lay a egg like they did this weekend.

I have to point it out again for the 1000 time what VA/DC team is better at the 2020 age? Madlax 2020 has not preformed at a elite level on the USA scale but they are still the best 2020 option for any 2020 in VA hands down.

That's pretty funny. VLC 2020 has a much better team than Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 scored against Orange Crush? Who cares. Madlax went 1-4 in the Terps young guns tourny and lost to 3D tristate and Sweetlax florida. These are teams that I would expect Madlax to beat. The only team they could beat was Dukes who lost to everyone. You've got to admit it that the Madlax 2020 team is a trainwreck. Gonna be hard to attract top players when you lay a egg like they did this weekend.

I have to point it out again for the 1000 time what VA/DC team is better at the 2020 age? Madlax 2020 has not preformed at a elite level on the USA scale but they are still the best 2020 option for any 2020 in VA hands down.

That's pretty funny. VLC 2020 has a much better team than Madlax.

Do we have any stats to back this up I am sure they have played. Who won. And if VLC 2020 is better who else agrees with this guy?

And now that we are on the topic of VLC the O'Connell coach has left. So is he no longer part of VLC? And does anyone see this hurting the VLC numbers/ teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 scored against Orange Crush? Who cares. Madlax went 1-4 in the Terps young guns tourny and lost to 3D tristate and Sweetlax florida. These are teams that I would expect Madlax to beat. The only team they could beat was Dukes who lost to everyone. You've got to admit it that the Madlax 2020 team is a trainwreck. Gonna be hard to attract top players when you lay a egg like they did this weekend.

I have to point it out again for the 1000 time what VA/DC team is better at the 2020 age? Madlax 2020 has not preformed at a elite level on the USA scale but they are still the best 2020 option for any 2020 in VA hands down.

Wow you really enjoy beating the Madlax drum don't you?

Obviously, your definition of "better" is probably very different from mine and other parents whose kids chose to NOT play on Madlax. You can guess the reasons why parents avoid the club, which has been brought up before ad nauseam.

It isn't about the win/loss record, nor should it be. Recruiters don't care. Madlax, VLC, Next Level, Crabs, etc. All play in good tournaments that draw recruiting eyes. They're there to see your child, not the team.

Is your son progressing as a player? Are his skills developing? Is the coach someone that you can point to and honestly say "I wish my son was more like this man." Is he having FUN and enjoying the process? If not, maybe it isn't the right club for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 scored against Orange Crush? Who cares. Madlax went 1-4 in the Terps young guns tourny and lost to 3D tristate and Sweetlax florida. These are teams that I would expect Madlax to beat. The only team they could beat was Dukes who lost to everyone. You've got to admit it that the Madlax 2020 team is a trainwreck. Gonna be hard to attract top players when you lay a egg like they did this weekend.

I have to point it out again for the 1000 time what VA/DC team is better at the 2020 age? Madlax 2020 has not preformed at a elite level on the USA scale but they are still the best 2020 option for any 2020 in VA hands down.

That's pretty funny. VLC 2020 has a much better team than Madlax.

Do we have any stats to back this up I am sure they have played. Who won. And if VLC 2020 is better who else agrees with this guy?

This is a moot point. The season is over. Both are AA- and both have improved dramatically since the fall. VLC was doing great until they lost their stud attack and was pretty lackluster on offense after that. Madlax is solid and improving. Both are great options and they are the only 2 shows in town now for nova players now that BW is at St. John's. The BOC coach was head coach for the VLC 2019's who instead got the Oakton HS head coach. VLC 2020 lost their head coach for health reasons over the summer and now have DiCamillo for their permanent coach through HS. He is outstanding and should draw some talent along with the return of the stud attack who will always draw college coaching interest to the team. Both clubs are great options moving forward depending on what you're looking for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 scored against Orange Crush? Who cares. Madlax went 1-4 in the Terps young guns tourny and lost to 3D tristate and Sweetlax florida. These are teams that I would expect Madlax to beat. The only team they could beat was Dukes who lost to everyone. You've got to admit it that the Madlax 2020 team is a trainwreck. Gonna be hard to attract top players when you lay a egg like they did this weekend.

I have to point it out again for the 1000 time what VA/DC team is better at the 2020 age? Madlax 2020 has not preformed at a elite level on the USA scale but they are still the best 2020 option for any 2020 in VA hands down.

Wow you really enjoy beating the Madlax drum don't you?

Obviously, your definition of "better" is probably very different from mine and other parents whose kids chose to NOT play on Madlax. You can guess the reasons why parents avoid the club, which has been brought up before ad nauseam.

It isn't about the win/loss record, nor should it be. Recruiters don't care. Madlax, VLC, Next Level, Crabs, etc. All play in good tournaments that draw recruiting eyes. They're there to see your child, not the team.

Is your son progressing as a player? Are his skills developing? Is the coach someone that you can point to and honestly say "I wish my son was more like this man." Is he having FUN and enjoying the process? If not, maybe it isn't the right club for you.

I am on board with this post until you put etc. after the team names. I agree this list is a good list. I just have to say the etc. part of this list is the issue. And there is a very clear gap when you get to the etc. part of the list of clubs. I bring this up because tons of parents use this site to pick a club. This is where I came to research clubs when my son was in 5th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 scored against Orange Crush? Who cares. Madlax went 1-4 in the Terps young guns tourny and lost to 3D tristate and Sweetlax florida. These are teams that I would expect Madlax to beat. The only team they could beat was Dukes who lost to everyone. You've got to admit it that the Madlax 2020 team is a trainwreck. Gonna be hard to attract top players when you lay a egg like they did this weekend.

I have to point it out again for the 1000 time what VA/DC team is better at the 2020 age? Madlax 2020 has not preformed at a elite level on the USA scale but they are still the best 2020 option for any 2020 in VA hands down.

That's pretty funny. VLC 2020 has a much better team than Madlax.

Do we have any stats to back this up I am sure they have played. Who won. And if VLC 2020 is better who else agrees with this guy?

This is a moot point. The season is over. Both are AA- and both have improved dramatically since the fall. VLC was doing great until they lost their stud attack and was pretty lackluster on offense after that. Madlax is solid and improving. Both are great options and they are the only 2 shows in town now for nova players now that BW is at St. John's. The BOC coach was head coach for the VLC 2019's who instead got the Oakton HS head coach. VLC 2020 lost their head coach for health reasons over the summer and now have DiCamillo for their permanent coach through HS. He is outstanding and should draw some talent along with the return of the stud attack who will always draw college coaching interest to the team. Both clubs are great options moving forward depending on what you're looking for.

I also agree with this post the point is moot. These two team are the best option for 2020 in NOVA. Please past this info out to the single moms out here in NOVA so they have a real answer when they ask where should my son play travel lacrosse.

Madlax 2019 just got 2 new verbal commits to 2 great schools Duke and ND. Glad to see others from this great team start getting signed up for top D1 schools. Great Great team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2019 just got 2 new verbal commits to 2 great schools Duke and ND. Glad to see others from this great team start getting signed up for top D1 schools. Great Great team.

Agree - both the 2019 and 2018 teams are producing some great D1 commits for Madlax; still a lot of uncommitted talent available for both teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2019 just got 2 new verbal commits to 2 great schools Duke and ND. Glad to see others from this great team start getting signed up for top D1 schools. Great Great team.

Agree - both the 2019 and 2018 teams are producing some great D1 commits for Madlax; still a lot of uncommitted talent available for both teams.

Lets hope all this great PUB gets the top 2020 and 2021 talent to switch over and come out for Madlax.

I don't expect any of the local top 2020 talent to be switching over to Madlax. For Madlax 2020 to get better they need to get players from Maryland who if they're good are going to stay with the programs they're already with. I see the opposite happening and the better Madlax players looking to make a move for better teams such as Crabs/FCA/NextLevel and all the highschool only programs like Blackwolf and DC Express. Madlax 2020 wasn't able to beat any top level team even with outside talent for a National 2020 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't expect any of the local top 2020 talent to be switching over to Madlax. For Madlax 2020 to get better they need to get players from Maryland who if they're good are going to stay with the programs they're already with. I see the opposite happening and the better Madlax players looking to make a move for better teams such as Crabs/FCA/NextLevel and all the highschool only programs like Blackwolf and DC Express. Madlax 2020 wasn't able to beat any top level team even with outside talent for a National 2020 team.

There is talent on 2020 teams in VA. They just play for lower teams Cavs,Battlelax,and Top Cal. And some other lower level teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't expect any of the local top 2020 talent to be switching over to Madlax. For Madlax 2020 to get better they need to get players from Maryland who if they're good are going to stay with the programs they're already with. I see the opposite happening and the better Madlax players looking to make a move for better teams such as Crabs/FCA/NextLevel and all the highschool only programs like Blackwolf and DC Express. Madlax 2020 wasn't able to beat any top level team even with outside talent for a National 2020 team.

I agree, the offers to join other programs are out there and word is that a good number of these Madlax 2020 kids will be gone. Of course this is coming from my 14 year old, but all of these kids know each other pretty well at this point so it's probably accurate.

There's a reason that these kids play on lower team like Cavs, Battlelax, etc. is because they can't play with AA or elite teams. The top players from these VA teams are already on Madlax 2020 (the better Battlelax 2020 players for example). There's a reason why the other Madlax teams 2018/2019 are good is because they have players from Maryland. I don't think Madlax 2020 have any players from Maryland. All the better Maryland 2020 players are already on other teams that regularly beat Madlax 2020 and play at a much higher level.

I agree that the 2020 Next level kids would have been Madlax kids in years past. I guess Madlax has to push to get more kids from the Stafford to Richmond area. I see Richmond high schools are getting better so they should have some talent to grab.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the 2020 Next level kids would have been Madlax kids in years past. I guess Madlax has to push to get more kids from the Stafford to Richmond area. I see Richmond high schools are getting better so they should have some talent to grab.

Doubtful kids would drive from Richmond to Northern Va/MD to practice with Madlax. Would be like kids in VA going to play for Baltimore based teams. Lax is great, but it ain't worth that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the 2020 Next level kids would have been Madlax kids in years past. I guess Madlax has to push to get more kids from the Stafford to Richmond area. I see Richmond high schools are getting better so they should have some talent to grab.

Doubtful kids would drive from Richmond to Northern Va/MD to practice with Madlax. Would be like kids in VA going to play for Baltimore based teams. Lax is great, but it ain't worth that.

Do you realize that 2 of the 6 D1 2019 kids go to school at STABB ( its a high school next door to UVA) They drove up to play for Madlax and I am 100% sure they where able to Verbal so soon because they played with the Madlax 2019 group.

Players from areas with weak lacrosse leagues and week HS leagues it completely makes sense to join a team like Madlax for tournaments. Yes, players won't be traveling for regular practices or normal league play but for the fall and big summer tournaments, definately. Its by far the best way for a top player from Richmond, Charlotte or other areas to instantly be a part of a good team in a premier tournament. Many if not most of all the better 2020 teams this summer season had studs "fly in" for all the big tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the 2020 Next level kids would have been Madlax kids in years past. I guess Madlax has to push to get more kids from the Stafford to Richmond area. I see Richmond high schools are getting better so they should have some talent to grab.

Doubtful kids would drive from Richmond to Northern Va/MD to practice with Madlax. Would be like kids in VA going to play for Baltimore based teams. Lax is great, but it ain't worth that.

Do you realize that 2 of the 6 D1 2019 kids go to school at STABB ( its a high school next door to UVA) They drove up to play for Madlax and I am 100% sure they where able to Verbal so soon because they played with the Madlax 2019 group.

Do you realize that STAB(only one B, the school is St. Anne's Belfield, not St. Anne's B-B-Belfield)has been producing D-1 lacrosse players for over 30 years, so think it might be a combination of events that produced this phenomenon

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2019 just got 2 new verbal commits to 2 great schools Duke and ND. Glad to see others from this great team start getting signed up for top D1 schools. Great Great team.

Agree - both the 2019 and 2018 teams are producing some great D1 commits for Madlax; still a lot of uncommitted talent available for both teams.

Lets hope all this great PUB gets the top 2020 and 2021 talent to switch over and come out for Madlax.

Early signs are not good for Madlax. Madlax 2020 has already lost some of their best kids to Blackwolf 2020. Some others are looking to go over to VLC.

NL 2020 is the best in this area, followed by VLC and then Blackwolf or Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2019 just got 2 new verbal commits to 2 great schools Duke and ND. Glad to see others from this great team start getting signed up for top D1 schools. Great Great team.

Agree - both the 2019 and 2018 teams are producing some great D1 commits for Madlax; still a lot of uncommitted talent available for both teams.

Lets hope all this great PUB gets the top 2020 and 2021 talent to switch over and come out for Madlax.

Early signs are not good for Madlax. Madlax 2020 has already lost some of their best kids to Blackwolf 2020. Some others are looking to go over to VLC.

NL 2020 is the best in this area, followed by VLC and then Blackwolf or Madlax.

So that is a update. Blackwolf got a 2020 team put together? Are they all SJ kids? I guess Madlax has to just give up on 2020 and start working on the 2021s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the 2020 Next level kids would have been Madlax kids in years past. I guess Madlax has to push to get more kids from the Stafford to Richmond area. I see Richmond high schools are getting better so they should have some talent to grab.

Doubtful kids would drive from Richmond to Northern Va/MD to practice with Madlax. Would be like kids in VA going to play for Baltimore based teams. Lax is great, but it ain't worth that.

Do you realize that 2 of the 6 D1 2019 kids go to school at STABB ( its a high school next door to UVA) They drove up to play for Madlax and I am 100% sure they where able to Verbal so soon because they played with the Madlax 2019 group.

Do you realize that STAB(only one B, the school is St. Anne's Belfield, not St. Anne's B-B-Belfield)has been producing D-1 lacrosse players for over 30 years, so think it might be a combination of events that produced this phenomenon

Well who is the dumb a** now I put one extra B not 2 extra Bs. But it worked I feel really dumb and I am on the way to kick the cat I feel so low.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2019 just got 2 new verbal commits to 2 great schools Duke and ND. Glad to see others from this great team start getting signed up for top D1 schools. Great Great team.

Agree - both the 2019 and 2018 teams are producing some great D1 commits for Madlax; still a lot of uncommitted talent available for both teams.

Lets hope all this great PUB gets the top 2020 and 2021 talent to switch over and come out for Madlax.

Early signs are not good for Madlax. Madlax 2020 has already lost some of their best kids to Blackwolf 2020. Some others are looking to go over to VLC.

NL 2020 is the best in this area, followed by VLC and then Blackwolf or Madlax.

So that is a update. Blackwolf got a 2020 team put together? Are they all SJ kids? I guess Madlax has to just give up on 2020 and start working on the 2021s

I'm not sure how many of these boys are SJ kids BW already has several 2020 kids from Virginia privates playing up on 2019. The offers to join the 2020 team were coming from the camp. My guess is Madlax loses 4 starters, including their new lefty attackman. There were a few crabs players, an attackman and goalie. One of VLC''s starting attackman was there too. No telling if they all end up at Blackwolf, but I'd be surprised if there is not a 2020 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't expect any of the local top 2020 talent to be switching over to Madlax. For Madlax 2020 to get better they need to get players from Maryland who if they're good are going to stay with the programs they're already with. I see the opposite happening and the better Madlax players looking to make a move for better teams such as Crabs/FCA/NextLevel and all the highschool only programs like Blackwolf and DC Express. Madlax 2020 wasn't able to beat any top level team even with outside talent for a National 2020 team.

There is talent on 2020 teams in VA. They just play for lower teams Cavs,Battlelax,and Top Cal. And some other lower level teams.

Someone posted the VLC vs Cavs on youtube. It's actually a very good quality vid. I just scanned through it and watched the highlights, but VLC spanked them. Didn't see anyone playing for Cavs that would improve the talent level at VLC or Madlax. Can't imagine Battlelax or 3d have anyone either. Maybe someone will surprise us. I'd love to see these NOVA teams compete well on the national level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2019 just got 2 new verbal commits to 2 great schools Duke and ND. Glad to see others from this great team start getting signed up for top D1 schools. Great Great team.

Agree - both the 2019 and 2018 teams are producing some great D1 commits for Madlax; still a lot of uncommitted talent available for both teams.

Lets hope all this great PUB gets the top 2020 and 2021 talent to switch over and come out for Madlax.

Early signs are not good for Madlax. Madlax 2020 has already lost some of their best kids to Blackwolf 2020. Some others are looking to go over to VLC.

NL 2020 is the best in this area, followed by VLC and then Blackwolf or Madlax.

So that is a update. Blackwolf got a 2020 team put together? Are they all SJ kids? I guess Madlax has to just give up on 2020 and start working on the 2021s

I'm not sure how many of these boys are SJ kids BW already has several 2020 kids from Virginia privates playing up on 2019. The offers to join the 2020 team were coming from the camp. My guess is Madlax loses 4 starters, including their new lefty attackman. There were a few crabs players, an attackman and goalie. One of VLC''s starting attackman was there too. No telling if they all end up at Blackwolf, but I'd be surprised if there is not a 2020 team.

It was not several. They had only three 2020 kids playing up on their BW 2019 team the past year. Talent at the BW U15 camp overall was not impressive. BW's strength was stealing kids from Madlax and VLC, but that pipeline dried up a couple years ago.

I was not impressed. We are going to look at VLC next week, but might end up staying with Madlax (holding my nose if that happens).

It was not several. They had only three 2020 kids playing up on their BW 2019 team the past year. Talent at the BW U15 camp overall was not impressive. BW's strength was stealing kids from Madlax and VLC, but that pipeline dried up a couple years ago.

I was not impressed. We are going to look at VLC next week, but might end up staying with Madlax (holding my nose if that happens).[/quote] That's the spirit, bring the pole from Stafford with you too.

2020 standings, it's an Olympic year:

Gold
Blackwolf

Silver
Next Level

Bronze
VLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 standings, it's an Olympic year:

Gold
Blackwolf

Silver
Next Level

Bronze
VLC
Madlax 2020 beat VLC!!!
And beat most of the common teams played

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 standings, it's an Olympic year:

Gold
Blackwolf

Silver
Next Level

Bronze
VLC

Blackwolf has no team so no ranking for them, plus where are the players going to come from?

Next Level barely squeaked by Madlax this summer, needing OT.

VLC lost to Madlax this past spring so it looks like using head to head it goes Next Level, Madlax, VLC. Sorry for reality.

Madlax was lucky to get a 5-4 win barely fending off a 2nd half comeback after being up by a couple on VLC. That was 4 months ago. Hopefully they square off this fall.

I really gotta say....who cares about one preseason game? They were pretty even then but were both dramatically different teams by the end of the summer. They are comparable programs and really the only 2 choices in Nova anymore. BW will have a 2020 team and will probably be pretty good eventually, but being at St johns now, it's not a very good option for nova kids anymore. I doubt many would leave VLC or madlax for the uncertainty and commute of BW. Why would you leave unless you're just really unhappy with you current situation?

Blackwolf will have a team probably on par with Madlax 2020. An ok A team but unable to beat anyone at the elite level. Blackwolf will only dilute teams like Madlax 2020 and make it a much tougher team to play on. Madlax 2020 can only improve by adding players from outside their region (ie Cannons players) and other players to form a National 2020 team. The National madlax 2020 still lost to NextLevel 2020 who will, like Blackwolf, pick off a couple of the better Madlax 2020 players. I'm sure that DC Express 2020 will be a total disaster but will probably get help from LIE for key tournaments. How long can you hold your nose Madlax 2020 dad?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 standings, it's an Olympic year:

Gold
Blackwolf

Silver
Next Level

Bronze
VLC

Blackwolf has no team so no ranking for them, plus where are the players going to come from?

Next Level barely squeaked by Madlax this summer, needing OT.

VLC lost to Madlax this past spring so it looks like using head to head it goes Next Level, Madlax, VLC. Sorry for reality.

Weird list. Based on the kids who came to their U15 camp and are possible poach targets, BW 2020 would be 4th on this list (no wonder why they cancelled the 2nd session).

NL is at the top, although they are supposedly going to lose some of their best players to Crabs.

Put VLC above Madlax. Madlax got housed all summer long. They did beat VLC in the spring, but that was after they made VLC play 2 consecutive games while it was Madlax's first game of the day (typical Cabell).

Really? Some of the better Next Level 2020 players are leaving for the Crabs? No chance of that happening. I know that several of the Crabs players are leaving and moving to other teams. At the Champions HHH tourny the Crabs coach had a complete meltdown and tantrum. Same story with Madlax 2020 and Maddux at fl$. Who would want to play for a coach like that? I've heard some real horror stories about the Crabs 2020 team and coaching. Both Next Level and Crabs play in the same tournaments, get the same looks from college coaches, without having to travel to BL and no drama. What did the Crabs win the past spring and summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 standings, it's an Olympic year:

Gold
Blackwolf

Silver
Next Level

Bronze
VLC

Blackwolf has no team so no ranking for them, plus where are the players going to come from?

Next Level barely squeaked by Madlax this summer, needing OT.

VLC lost to Madlax this past spring so it looks like using head to head it goes Next Level, Madlax, VLC. Sorry for reality.

Weird list. Based on the kids who came to their U15 camp and are possible poach targets, BW 2020 would be 4th on this list (no wonder why they cancelled the 2nd session).

NL is at the top, although they are supposedly going to lose some of their best players to Crabs.

Put VLC above Madlax. Madlax got housed all summer long. They did beat VLC in the spring, but that was after they made VLC play 2 consecutive games while it was Madlax's first game of the day (typical Cabell).

Once again Madlax played 80% better teams as a whole compared to who VLC played. Yes they lost more games but played more and better teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the 2020 Next level kids would have been Madlax kids in years past. I guess Madlax has to push to get more kids from the Stafford to Richmond area. I see Richmond high schools are getting better so they should have some talent to grab.

Doubtful kids would drive from Richmond to Northern Va/MD to practice with Madlax. Would be like kids in VA going to play for Baltimore based teams. Lax is great, but it ain't worth that.

Do you realize that 2 of the 6 D1 2019 kids go to school at STABB ( its a high school next door to UVA) They drove up to play for Madlax and I am 100% sure they where able to Verbal so soon because they played with the Madlax 2019 group.

Do you realize that STAB(only one B, the school is St. Anne's Belfield, not St. Anne's B-B-Belfield)has been producing D-1 lacrosse players for over 30 years, so think it might be a combination of events that produced this phenomenon

Well who is the dumb a** now I put one extra B not 2 extra Bs. But it worked I feel really dumb and I am on the way to kick the cat I feel so low.

You still are, please leave your catt out of this.

I see what you did there you put 2 Ts in CATT like I did when I put a second B in the name of the high school 2 hours from my house. I guess I will go kick the DOGG and wish you where not such a PUNKK.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 standings, it's an Olympic year:

Gold
Blackwolf

Silver
Next Level

Bronze
VLC

Blackwolf has no team so no ranking for them, plus where are the players going to come from?

Next Level barely squeaked by Madlax this summer, needing OT.

VLC lost to Madlax this past spring so it looks like using head to head it goes Next Level, Madlax, VLC. Sorry for reality.

Weird list. Based on the kids who came to their U15 camp and are possible poach targets, BW 2020 would be 4th on this list (no wonder why they cancelled the 2nd session).

NL is at the top, although they are supposedly going to lose some of their best players to Crabs.

Put VLC above Madlax. Madlax got housed all summer long. They did beat VLC in the spring, but that was after they made VLC play 2 consecutive games while it was Madlax's first game of the day (typical Cabell).

Once again Madlax played 80% better teams as a whole compared to who VLC played. Yes they lost more games but played more and better teams.

As a parent with a kid almost done with college, trust me that you'll look back on your post years from now. It's not a case where the program/team that plays in the absolute best tournaments equats with team, recruiting or personal success.

All you need to do is find a club that matches your kid's goals. If it's recruiting, it's a matter of finding a team that plays in SUFFICIENTLY visible enough tournaments. In this area, there are several clubs that play in "good enough" tournamnets such as Crabs, Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf. Some of those teams are better than the others in any particular year.

Don't know how anyone can say "80% better" - this isn't an exact science. As long as your son is playing in the right tournaments overall, it doesn't matter if one club has a slightly better tournament schedule than the other. Other factors are much more important (such as coaching, recruiting assistance, etc.)

Chill out, dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see what you did there you put 2 Ts in CATT like I did when I put a second B in the name of the high school 2 hours from my house. I guess I will go kick the DOGG and wish you where not such a PUNKK.

"were", not "where"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 standings, it's an Olympic year:

Gold
Blackwolf

Silver
Next Level

Bronze
VLC

Blackwolf has no team so no ranking for them, plus where are the players going to come from?

Next Level barely squeaked by Madlax this summer, needing OT.

VLC lost to Madlax this past spring so it looks like using head to head it goes Next Level, Madlax, VLC. Sorry for reality.

Weird list. Based on the kids who came to their U15 camp and are possible poach targets, BW 2020 would be 4th on this list (no wonder why they cancelled the 2nd session).

NL is at the top, although they are supposedly going to lose some of their best players to Crabs.

Put VLC above Madlax. Madlax got housed all summer long. They did beat VLC in the spring, but that was after they made VLC play 2 consecutive games while it was Madlax's first game of the day (typical Cabell).

Once again Madlax played 80% better teams as a whole compared to who VLC played. Yes they lost more games but played more and better teams.

As a parent with a kid almost done with college, trust me that you'll look back on your post years from now. It's not a case where the program/team that plays in the absolute best tournaments equats with team, recruiting or personal success.

All you need to do is find a club that matches your kid's goals. If it's recruiting, it's a matter of finding a team that plays in SUFFICIENTLY visible enough tournaments. In this area, there are several clubs that play in "good enough" tournamnets such as Crabs, Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf. Some of those teams are better than the others in any particular year.

Don't know how anyone can say "80% better" - this isn't an exact science. As long as your son is playing in the right tournaments overall, it doesn't matter if one club has a slightly better tournament schedule than the other. Other factors are much more important (such as coaching, recruiting assistance, etc.)

Chill out, dad.

I agree with this post but a ranking on a site like this could push a parent/kid to one team over the other. And I agree that the record of a team is not important have 2 or 3 D1 studs on your team helps to fill the sideline with coaches. And as pointed out other places its about being seen and playing well when your are being seen. So if one 2020 team has 3 studs that everyone wants to see play you want to be on that team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 standings, it's an Olympic year:

Gold
Blackwolf

Silver
Next Level

Bronze
VLC

Blackwolf has no team so no ranking for them, plus where are the players going to come from?

Next Level barely squeaked by Madlax this summer, needing OT.

VLC lost to Madlax this past spring so it looks like using head to head it goes Next Level, Madlax, VLC. Sorry for reality.

Weird list. Based on the kids who came to their U15 camp and are possible poach targets, BW 2020 would be 4th on this list (no wonder why they cancelled the 2nd session).

NL is at the top, although they are supposedly going to lose some of their best players to Crabs.

Put VLC above Madlax. Madlax got housed all summer long. They did beat VLC in the spring, but that was after they made VLC play 2 consecutive games while it was Madlax's first game of the day (typical Cabell).

Once again Madlax played 80% better teams as a whole compared to who VLC played. Yes they lost more games but played more and better teams.

As a parent with a kid almost done with college, trust me that you'll look back on your post years from now. It's not a case where the program/team that plays in the absolute best tournaments equats with team, recruiting or personal success.

All you need to do is find a club that matches your kid's goals. If it's recruiting, it's a matter of finding a team that plays in SUFFICIENTLY visible enough tournaments. In this area, there are several clubs that play in "good enough" tournamnets such as Crabs, Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf. Some of those teams are better than the others in any particular year.

Don't know how anyone can say "80% better" - this isn't an exact science. As long as your son is playing in the right tournaments overall, it doesn't matter if one club has a slightly better tournament schedule than the other. Other factors are much more important (such as coaching, recruiting assistance, etc.)

Chill out, dad.

I agree with this post but a ranking on a site like this could push a parent/kid to one team over the other. And I agree that the record of a team is not important have 2 or 3 D1 studs on your team helps to fill the sideline with coaches. And as pointed out other places its about being seen and playing well when your are being seen. So if one 2020 team has 3 studs that everyone wants to see play you want to be on that team.

Playing for VLC, Madlax or BW will get you seen and in the right tournaments. Parents - recruiters don't care about your club's W/L record. Obviously, if your club has talent the W's will take care of themselves and it'll be a moot point. But rest assured at the end of the day, recruiters are mining for individual players. If your kid is good enough to play D1, whether he plays for VLC, Madlax, BW is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing for VLC, Madlax or BW will get you seen and in the right tournaments. Parents - recruiters don't care about your club's W/L record. Obviously, if your club has talent the W's will take care of themselves and it'll be a moot point. But rest assured at the end of the day, recruiters are mining for individual players. If your kid is good enough to play D1, whether he plays for VLC, Madlax, BW is irrelevant.

One of the few accurate things posted here. So many parents are focused on why their club team didn't win a particular tournament.

As long as there is sufficient talent on the team and they play in visible enough tournaments, things are fine. Then it comes down to whether you want to give your money to a particular club, whether you think the club helps its players get recruited, whether your son likes his teammates, etc.

Well in this post is another question that is up for debate. The weather you think the club helps its players get recruited? This is such a subjective question. All these top clubs want there players to play college ball. But my guess is none of them will lie to a coach if he calls and asks is this kid D1. If they pass the rule of no contact before a later date then the club you pick will become way more important the next day. But as it is now you can call email and send video to any coach at anytime. How would you describe a team that helps its players get recruited. Please give examples. and which club does this example. These examples might be a real way to help pick the best club?

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Well in this post is another question that is up for debate. The weather you think the club helps its players get recruited? This is such a subjective question. All these top clubs want there players to play college ball. But my guess is none of them will lie to a coach if he calls and asks is this kid D1. If they pass the rule of no contact before a later date then the club you pick will become way more important the next day. But as it is now you can call email and send video to any coach at anytime. How would you describe a team that helps its players get recruited. Please give examples. and which club does this example. These examples might be a real way to help pick the best club?

Hooked on phonics guy again.

Top NOVA 2020 teams and reasons to go -
Blackwolf -
Pro: commit to D1 programs consistently; best practices in the area, including opportunity to practice against HS D1-committed players

Con: Not sure about which tournaments they attend; not many games; unsure who is on roster

Madlax -

Pro: go to every tournament that they should; get lots of game experience if Capital/National; open roster process for selection

Con: Potential bait and switch on new structure of not naming to specific teams; coaching and practice levels inconsistent

VLC -

Pro: Affiliated with Crabs so may get boost from NLF exposure

Con: Inconsistent coaching; lack of game/tournament play; not enough practice time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NOVA 2020 teams and reasons to go -
Blackwolf -
Pro: commit to D1 programs consistently; best practices in the area, including opportunity to practice against HS D1-committed players

Con: Not sure about which tournaments they attend; not many games; unsure who is on roster

Madlax -

Pro: go to every tournament that they should; get lots of game experience if Capital/National; open roster process for selection

Con: Potential bait and switch on new structure of not naming to specific teams; coaching and practice levels inconsistent

VLC -

Pro: Affiliated with Crabs so may get boost from NLF exposure

Con: Inconsistent coaching; lack of game/tournament play; not enough practice time

I like this post 99% spot on.
I am guessing Madlax is only doing the one large group and picking teams right before the fall tournaments. For this fall session only. I also would say that you should be able to tell if you son will be on the capital team if you just pay attention at tryouts. And if your son is on the line between the top and bottom team you should love this new format. I saw it happen this year when a kid did great for the 2 day tryouts made the top team then came back down to earth and set the bench all summer. And being with Madlax as long as I have I can say I have seen 10 to 15 kids progress from the Second team up to the top team and now have starting Var. spots and D1 letters. And I will beat this dead horse again but the Madlax second teams play a better schedule then all the other clubs not named VLC and Black wolf.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And I will beat this dead horse again

Truer words have never been spoken.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NOVA 2020 teams and reasons to go -
Blackwolf -
Pro: commit to D1 programs consistently; best practices in the area, including opportunity to practice against HS D1-committed players

Con: Not sure about which tournaments they attend; not many games; unsure who is on roster

Madlax -

Pro: go to every tournament that they should; get lots of game experience if Capital/National; open roster process for selection

Con: Potential bait and switch on new structure of not naming to specific teams; coaching and practice levels inconsistent

VLC -

Pro: Affiliated with Crabs so may get boost from NLF exposure

Con: Inconsistent coaching; lack of game/tournament play; not enough practice time

I like this post 99% spot on.
I am guessing Madlax is only doing the one large group and picking teams right before the fall tournaments. For this fall session only. I also would say that you should be able to tell if you son will be on the capital team if you just pay attention at tryouts. And if your son is on the line between the top and bottom team you should love this new format. I saw it happen this year when a kid did great for the 2 day tryouts made the top team then came back down to earth and set the bench all summer. And being with Madlax as long as I have I can say I have seen 10 to 15 kids progress from the Second team up to the top team and now have starting Var. spots and D1 letters. And I will beat this dead horse again but the Madlax second teams play a better schedule then all the other clubs not named VLC and Black wolf.

Better schedule is debatable. VLC and Madlax played in the same tourneys this summer. Plus, kids don't need to play in five tournaments, despite what you're told. Three is plenty. Fold in individual showcases and/or prospect days and you'll wonder where summer went.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And I will beat this dead horse again

Truer words have never been spoken.

Well if all you have to offer is talking sH** about my post you can find something else to read. I like to keep the forum moving and having something to write about. Your post add nothing and are just a waste of time for people to click on to read. Like this post just was.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NOVA 2020 teams and reasons to go -
Blackwolf -
Pro: commit to D1 programs consistently; best practices in the area, including opportunity to practice against HS D1-committed players

Con: Not sure about which tournaments they attend; not many games; unsure who is on roster

Madlax -

Pro: go to every tournament that they should; get lots of game experience if Capital/National; open roster process for selection

Con: Potential bait and switch on new structure of not naming to specific teams; coaching and practice levels inconsistent

VLC -

Pro: Affiliated with Crabs so may get boost from NLF exposure

Con: Inconsistent coaching; lack of game/tournament play; not enough practice time

I like this post 99% spot on.
I am guessing Madlax is only doing the one large group and picking teams right before the fall tournaments. For this fall session only. I also would say that you should be able to tell if you son will be on the capital team if you just pay attention at tryouts. And if your son is on the line between the top and bottom team you should love this new format. I saw it happen this year when a kid did great for the 2 day tryouts made the top team then came back down to earth and set the bench all summer. And being with Madlax as long as I have I can say I have seen 10 to 15 kids progress from the Second team up to the top team and now have starting Var. spots and D1 letters. And I will beat this dead horse again but the Madlax second teams play a better schedule then all the other clubs not named VLC and Black wolf.

Better schedule is debatable. VLC and Madlax played in the same tourneys this summer. Plus, kids don't need to play in five tournaments, despite what you're told. Three is plenty. Fold in individual showcases and/or prospect days and you'll wonder where summer went.

AHHHHH they did not play in the same tournaments. They maybe played in 2 of the same tournaments. They play in 4 tournaments and the National players play in a 5th tournament. And the top teams carry a larger roster. This works out fine when a kid misses a weekend with Madlax to play with his high school team or showcase. Most people would say options are a good thing but if in your world they are a bad thing I can not argue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NOVA 2020 teams and reasons to go -
Blackwolf -
Pro: commit to D1 programs consistently; best practices in the area, including opportunity to practice against HS D1-committed players

Con: Not sure about which tournaments they attend; not many games; unsure who is on roster

Madlax -

Pro: go to every tournament that they should; get lots of game experience if Capital/National; open roster process for selection

Con: Potential bait and switch on new structure of not naming to specific teams; coaching and practice levels inconsistent

VLC -

Pro: Affiliated with Crabs so may get boost from NLF exposure

Con: Inconsistent coaching; lack of game/tournament play; not enough practice time

I like this post 99% spot on.
I am guessing Madlax is only doing the one large group and picking teams right before the fall tournaments. For this fall session only. I also would say that you should be able to tell if you son will be on the capital team if you just pay attention at tryouts. And if your son is on the line between the top and bottom team you should love this new format. I saw it happen this year when a kid did great for the 2 day tryouts made the top team then came back down to earth and set the bench all summer. And being with Madlax as long as I have I can say I have seen 10 to 15 kids progress from the Second team up to the top team and now have starting Var. spots and D1 letters. And I will beat this dead horse again but the Madlax second teams play a better schedule then all the other clubs not named VLC and Black wolf.

Better schedule is debatable. VLC and Madlax played in the same tourneys this summer. Plus, kids don't need to play in five tournaments, despite what you're told. Three is plenty. Fold in individual showcases and/or prospect days and you'll wonder where summer went.

AHHHHH they did not play in the same tournaments. They maybe played in 2 of the same tournaments. They play in 4 tournaments and the National players play in a 5th tournament. And the top teams carry a larger roster. This works out fine when a kid misses a weekend with Madlax to play with his high school team or showcase. Most people would say options are a good thing but if in your world they are a bad thing I can not argue.

Pretty sure the only tournament where both VLC and Madlax both played was Crabfeast.

I thought it was only one but I was to lazy to go look it up.

Quote

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NOVA 2020 teams and reasons to go -
Blackwolf -
Pro: commit to D1 programs consistently; best practices in the area, including opportunity to practice against HS D1-committed players

Con: Not sure about which tournaments they attend; not many games; unsure who is on roster

Madlax -

Pro: go to every tournament that they should; get lots of game experience if Capital/National; open roster process for selection

Con: Potential bait and switch on new structure of not naming to specific teams; coaching and practice levels inconsistent

VLC -

Pro: Affiliated with Crabs so may get boost from NLF exposure

Con: Inconsistent coaching; lack of game/tournament play; not enough practice time

Not accurate or comprehensive enough (though some points are correct).

BW
- produces many D1 recruits (but not the clear leader in the DMV - all three clubs produce similar numbers depending on what years you consider). BW (and VLC) have higher hit rate per player in the program. Much cheaper than Madlax.

- probably plays the least attractive tournaments of the three (but all three get sufficient visibility). Constantly changing roster is probably the biggest negative. Kids come and go all the time without an announcement. Very common for a new kid to be added or cut and the kids on the team don't find out until that day. Promotes a mercenary culture. Kids either love or hate Trig. No MS teams, so they rely on poaching other kids for rising freshman team.

Madlax
- best if you want to play as many tournaments as possible (and don't mind paying for it). Most club play 2-3 events a season whereas Madlax plays 5+. By far the biggest pool of talent. The only one of the three that has B teams at every level. Some kids play B and eventually move up; some are stuck on B forever.
- Cost is 2x than either BW or VLC. Parents are locked into 6 month contracts that automatically charge your credit card monthly (even if you leave). Two dads in the program coach their own kids. Owner is polarizing and has threatened kids/parents (see Deadspin article).

VLC
- along with BW, produces the highest # and % of D1 recruits. Affiliation with Crabs assists with recruiting.
- MS teams start slowly since they don't have ES teams. The Crabs owner is polarizing. Offers fewer clinics than Madlax and BW.

All three offer something to the kids in this area. BW is going to be focused more on MD/DC kids now that Trig is at St. John's. Madlax's core is McLean and Alexandria. VLC seems to get best from Fairfax and Loudoun.

All have positives and negatives.

Correct. Madlax did not go to NLF and VLC's only other tourney was a "warm up tourney". These clubs are very different....I doubt there are many on the bubble trying to choose between the two right now. There are only two decent options in nova....a full service, full payment club with 5 tourneys in madlax and a lesser cost but less tournaments and practices option with VLC. Both get top talent and both send kids to quality D1 schools every year. Let's not get too wrapped up in the rest. After all, these kids are competing for meal plans at these places basically.

As long as you play in tournaments where coaches come, it doesn't matter if one club plays in tournaments that collectively are better. Madlax, VLC and BW all play in visible enough tournaments.

Madlax is unique that they make their kids play in 4 or more events in the summer. That is a lot when kids are also trying to play in individual events. It's a positive for some families and a negative for others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As long as you play in tournaments where coaches come, it doesn't matter if one club plays in tournaments that collectively are better. Madlax, VLC and BW all play in visible enough tournaments.

Madlax is unique that they make their kids play in 4 or more events in the summer. That is a lot when kids are also trying to play in individual events. It's a positive for some families and a negative for others.

Generally, college coaches want to see kids as many times as they can. This establishes whether or not a kid plays at a consistently high level, versus seeing one great game, so the more tournaments the better. Often a head coach will watch one tournament then the assistant watches the next, then they compare notes, and watch again at another tournament to confirm what they think. Showcases or individual events minimize the team play approach, so unless a kid is a total stud they may just blend into the background getting no attention. Also, even if your team goes to tournaments with coaches, there is no guarantee 1 coach will see any of a player's games. This is where attending the top tournaments comes into play. Top teams draw the coaches. Play them and kids get the same exposure. To maximize exposure this fall kids should play in three tournaments.

BTW - I love how people are putting Blackwolf up there at 2020 when to date there has never even been a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As long as you play in tournaments where coaches come, it doesn't matter if one club plays in tournaments that collectively are better. Madlax, VLC and BW all play in visible enough tournaments.

Madlax is unique that they make their kids play in 4 or more events in the summer. That is a lot when kids are also trying to play in individual events. It's a positive for some families and a negative for others.

They do not make you play in 5 plus. You pay for four but if you say before the season I will miss this weekend no harm no foul. I have never seen a kid cut for missing a tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As long as you play in tournaments where coaches come, it doesn't matter if one club plays in tournaments that collectively are better. Madlax, VLC and BW all play in visible enough tournaments.

Madlax is unique that they make their kids play in 4 or more events in the summer. That is a lot when kids are also trying to play in individual events. It's a positive for some families and a negative for others.

Generally, college coaches want to see kids as many times as they can. This establishes whether or not a kid plays at a consistently high level, versus seeing one great game, so the more tournaments the better. Often a head coach will watch one tournament then the assistant watches the next, then they compare notes, and watch again at another tournament to confirm what they think. Showcases or individual events minimize the team play approach, so unless a kid is a total stud they may just blend into the background getting no attention. Also, even if your team goes to tournaments with coaches, there is no guarantee 1 coach will see any of a player's games. This is where attending the top tournaments comes into play. Top teams draw the coaches. Play them and kids get the same exposure. To maximize exposure this fall kids should play in three tournaments.

BTW - I love how people are putting Blackwolf up there at 2020 when to date there has never even been a team.

And when they do play it will be for 2 tournaments in the summer. With 4 practices.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BTW - I love how people are putting Blackwolf up there at 2020 when to date there has never even been a team.

This is a Madlax thread, not a 2020 thread. People are talking in general about those 3 clubs, not a particular team.

Learn to live outside your bubble.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do not make you play in 5 plus. You pay for four but if you say before the season I will miss this weekend no harm no foul. I have never seen a kid cut for missing a tournament.

Yes, but you pay for four tournaments even if you can only make 2-3. That is not including the kids on their "national" team who have to pay for 1-2 more events.

After a few years, you'll realize that nobody needs to play in more than 3 events in the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BTW - I love how people are putting Blackwolf up there at 2020 when to date there has never even been a team.

This is a Madlax thread, not a 2020 thread. People are talking in general about those 3 clubs, not a particular team.

Learn to live outside your bubble.

Poster said "Top NOVA 2020 teams and reasons to go" so was keeping the context.

I love how you are the expert in how many tournaments a kid plays in. And its not like you are saying this number for the kids health you are saying 2-3 so they can go play in showcases and prospect days. But I would argue that playing for a Madlax Capital team 5 times is way better then 3 with a crappy team and 3 showcases.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But I would argue that playing for a Madlax Capital team 5 times is way better then 3 with a crappy team and 3 showcases.

Nobody is saying otherwise, but you make this inane statement on a weekly basis. You are seriously only arguing with yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But I would argue that playing for a Madlax Capital team 5 times is way better then 3 with a crappy team and 3 showcases.

Nobody is saying otherwise, but you make this inane statement on a weekly basis. You are seriously only arguing with yourself.

I do repeat myself a ton, but I was responding to the post about kids only need to play 2-3 tournaments a summer. Like what BW and VLC play. My point was those kids still play in 5 to 6 events just only 3 of them with there travel team. Madlax kids play in 6 or 7 things a summer , more but not a crazy amount. They just play more events with there travel team. I think showcases are not really good for the DMV kids they are made for the out of the hot bed kids who need to be seen playing real players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But I would argue that playing for a Madlax Capital team 5 times is way better then 3 with a crappy team and 3 showcases.

Nobody is saying otherwise, but you make this inane statement on a weekly basis. You are seriously only arguing with yourself.

I do repeat myself a ton, but I was responding to the post about kids only need to play 2-3 tournaments a summer. Like what BW and VLC play. My point was those kids still play in 5 to 6 events just only 3 of them with there travel team. Madlax kids play in 6 or 7 things a summer , more but not a crazy amount. They just play more events with there travel team. I think showcases are not really good for the DMV kids they are made for the out of the hot bed kids who need to be seen playing real players.

How old is your kid? I'm guessing he just hit HS. You obviously have no perspective.

1. 7 team tournaments isn't a crazy amount? Yes, it is. That is way too much. Ask anyone who has a kid in HS.

2. Saying that individual events are purely focused for "non-hot bed kids" is insane. Individual events are important for everyone regardless where you live. In many ways, individual events are more important than team events when it comes to recruiting.

If you don't mind paying for so many events, it's your money. But it's absolutely too much especially when you factor in the individual events these kids are playing in.

Wow, your perspective might be as bad as your spelling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But I would argue that playing for a Madlax Capital team 5 times is way better then 3 with a crappy team and 3 showcases.

Nobody is saying otherwise, but you make this inane statement on a weekly basis. You are seriously only arguing with yourself.

I do repeat myself a ton, but I was responding to the post about kids only need to play 2-3 tournaments a summer. Like what BW and VLC play. My point was those kids still play in 5 to 6 events just only 3 of them with there travel team. Madlax kids play in 6 or 7 things a summer , more but not a crazy amount. They just play more events with there travel team. I think showcases are not really good for the DMV kids they are made for the out of the hot bed kids who need to be seen playing real players.

How old is your kid? I'm guessing he just hit HS. You obviously have no perspective.

1. 7 team tournaments isn't a crazy amount? Yes, it is. That is way too much. Ask anyone who has a kid in HS.

2. Saying that individual events are purely focused for "non-hot bed kids" is insane. Individual events are important for everyone regardless where you live. In many ways, individual events are more important than team events when it comes to recruiting.

If you don't mind paying for so many events, it's your money. But it's absolutely too much especially when you factor in the individual events these kids are playing in.

Wow, your perspective might be as bad as your spelling.

I think his spelling is fine, it's his grammar that stinks but if he keeps working at it, he will get there!

Board is quickly mirroring its LI cousin. Not a good thing.

Lighten up, Francis! Commenting on grammar on mb? Please post your cv so we can properly evaluate your opinion.

I agree with pp. There are many ways to get recruited, and showcases are NOT the best. Playing high quality competition with great teammates in front of top d1 coaches is infinitely better. Like Madlax does it...that's why they get the top recruits.
Have a nice Summer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Board is quickly mirroring its LI cousin. Not a good thing.

Lighten up, Francis! Commenting on grammar on mb? Please post your cv so we can properly evaluate your opinion.

I agree with pp. There are many ways to get recruited, and showcases are NOT the best. Playing high quality competition with great teammates in front of top d1 coaches is infinitely better. Like Madlax does it...that's why they get the top recruits.
Have a nice Summer!

Except BW and VLC do a better job getting their guys into college programs. And they don't charge you an extra fee to do so.

Both team events and showcases are big when it comes to recruiting. Dismissing showcases is a huge mistake.

No extra fees to 15 2018 and 8 2019 high D1 commits. Not sure where you get that idea.

How many commits do VLC and BW have? Go ahead and combine the numbers if you like...

Madlax if you want to be recruited. BW for a lot of practice if you want to go to Saint Johns (or sit behind a Saint Johns kid), VLC if you want nice coaches

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax if you want to be recruited. BW for a lot of practice if you want to go to Saint Johns (or sit behind a Saint Johns kid), VLC if you want nice coaches

2014 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2015 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2016 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2017 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2018 - BW has about the same number of commits as Madlax
2019 - Madlax has many more commits than either BW or VLC
2020 - BW 2020 roster being formed, but VLC for sure will have more commits than Madlax

Another thing you forgot to mention. Pick Madlax is you want to pay more and get harassed by the owner. And yes, Madlax does have a recruiting service that they charge their families $ for, which is unbelievable.

Long Island Express and Bethesda form DC Express. Details on IL. Another bite taken out of Madlax's pie?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax if you want to be recruited. BW for a lot of practice if you want to go to Saint Johns (or sit behind a Saint Johns kid), VLC if you want nice coaches

2014 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2015 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2016 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2017 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2018 - BW has about the same number of commits as Madlax
2019 - Madlax has many more commits than either BW or VLC
2020 - BW 2020 roster being formed, but VLC for sure will have more commits than Madlax

Another thing you forgot to mention. Pick Madlax is you want to pay more and get harassed by the owner. And yes, Madlax does have a recruiting service that they charge their families $ for, which is unbelievable.

Funny how this guy always shows up with this garbage around tryout time. Spend some $$ on real marketing Trig.

If we want to bring ancient history into it, why not talk about all the Madlax commits over the past 20 years? Or the SSSA kids who started with Madlax, and then were pressured to come to BW? Or the VLC kids who left Madlax to start a daddy ball club and then sold out to the Crabs when their kids graduated?

If we want to deal with the here and now, high school kids (2017 to 2020, rising seniors to rising freshman), BW and VLC COMBINED cant compete with the Madlax commits. Dig deeper to find that Madlax produces all of the local kids who are top nationally recognized recruits, and are going to schools like Hopkins, UVA, UNC, Duke, Notre Dame, other Big 10 and Ivys.

Once you do, it really makes all of your other posts seem "motivated" Trig!

They NEVER charge their players for recruiting help. Of course Madlax charges a fee when your kids cant get recruited, and turn to them for help! Madlax is a business. Has professional, business like staff, not just coaches or wannabe coaches looking for summer $$.

Looking forward to your reply

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax if you want to be recruited. BW for a lot of practice if you want to go to Saint Johns (or sit behind a Saint Johns kid), VLC if you want nice coaches

2014 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2015 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2016 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2017 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2018 - BW has about the same number of commits as Madlax
2019 - Madlax has many more commits than either BW or VLC
2020 - BW 2020 roster being formed, but VLC for sure will have more commits than Madlax

Another thing you forgot to mention. Pick Madlax is you want to pay more and get harassed by the owner. And yes, Madlax does have a recruiting service that they charge their families $ for, which is unbelievable.

Please don't count these MadLax "partner programs" in your commitment totals.

2018 Madlax has 11 D1 commits from the DMV area, VLC 6 and BW has 17.
2019 Madlax has 6 and BW has 4 but who knows since they don't publish much information. VLC seems a little slow at this age group, I don't think they even has one.

I guess we will take your word for it, since BW doesn't have a website??? what's the quality of those "commits"?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax if you want to be recruited. BW for a lot of practice if you want to go to Saint Johns (or sit behind a Saint Johns kid), VLC if you want nice coaches

2014 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2015 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2016 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2017 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2018 - BW has about the same number of commits as Madlax
2019 - Madlax has many more commits than either BW or VLC
2020 - BW 2020 roster being formed, but VLC for sure will have more commits than Madlax

Another thing you forgot to mention. Pick Madlax is you want to pay more and get harassed by the owner. And yes, Madlax does have a recruiting service that they charge their families $ for, which is unbelievable.

Funny how this guy always shows up with this garbage around tryout time. Spend some $$ on real marketing Trig.

If we want to bring ancient history into it, why not talk about all the Madlax commits over the past 20 years? Or the SSSA kids who started with Madlax, and then were pressured to come to BW? Or the VLC kids who left Madlax to start a daddy ball club and then sold out to the Crabs when their kids graduated?

If we want to deal with the here and now, high school kids (2017 to 2020, rising seniors to rising freshman), BW and VLC COMBINED cant compete with the Madlax commits. Dig deeper to find that Madlax produces all of the local kids who are top nationally recognized recruits, and are going to schools like Hopkins, UVA, UNC, Duke, Notre Dame, other Big 10 and Ivys.

Once you do, it really makes all of your other posts seem "motivated" Trig!

They NEVER charge their players for recruiting help. Of course Madlax charges a fee when your kids cant get recruited, and turn to them for help! Madlax is a business. Has professional, business like staff, not just coaches or wannabe coaches looking for summer $$.

Looking forward to your reply

Your post is 100% inaccurate, but there's no point correcting you because you always ignore replies. We get that you love (and why you love) the Madlax owner.

For some grades, Madlax has more commits (and they should since they have more kids in their programs). For several others grades, they trail BW and VLC.

Kids are probably going to be happy at any of those clubs all things considered. But we get why you love to hype Madlax.

Kind of funny how that Madlax guys decries "daddy ball" when Madlax 2022 and 2022 are coached by dads coaching their own sons.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax if you want to be recruited. BW for a lot of practice if you want to go to Saint Johns (or sit behind a Saint Johns kid), VLC if you want nice coaches

2014 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2015 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2016 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2017 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2018 - BW has about the same number of commits as Madlax
2019 - Madlax has many more commits than either BW or VLC
2020 - BW 2020 roster being formed, but VLC for sure will have more commits than Madlax

Another thing you forgot to mention. Pick Madlax is you want to pay more and get harassed by the owner. And yes, Madlax does have a recruiting service that they charge their families $ for, which is unbelievable.

Please don't count these MadLax "partner programs" in your commitment totals.

2018 Madlax has 11 D1 commits from the DMV area, VLC 6 and BW has 17.
2019 Madlax has 6 and BW has 4 but who knows since they don't publish much information. VLC seems a little slow at this age group, I don't think they even has one.

BW does not get those kids committed. They are already on line to sign when they show up and play for BW. Those BW kids come from high school power houses. Classic cherry picking is what BW is all about

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess we will take your word for it, since BW doesn't have a website??? what's the quality of those "commits"?

Both VLC and BW use Twitter and/or Facebook to advertise their commitments.

VLC 2019 does not seem to have any commits yet.

BW 2019 has lost a few committed players to SweetLax. I believe they have at least one going to UMD, JHU and ND each.

ADMINDS - Any chance we can just get separate threads for VLC and Blackwolf? Obviously everyone is using the Madlax board to discuss them anyway -- would be much easier to cut down on the noise ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax if you want to be recruited. BW for a lot of practice if you want to go to Saint Johns (or sit behind a Saint Johns kid), VLC if you want nice coaches

2014 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2015 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2016 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2017 - both BW and VLC had more commits than Madlax
2018 - BW has about the same number of commits as Madlax
2019 - Madlax has many more commits than either BW or VLC
2020 - BW 2020 roster being formed, but VLC for sure will have more commits than Madlax

Another thing you forgot to mention. Pick Madlax is you want to pay more and get harassed by the owner. And yes, Madlax does have a recruiting service that they charge their families $ for, which is unbelievable.

Please don't count these MadLax "partner programs" in your commitment totals.

2018 Madlax has 11 D1 commits from the DMV area, VLC 6 and BW has 17.
2019 Madlax has 6 and BW has 4 but who knows since they don't publish much information. VLC seems a little slow at this age group, I don't think they even has one.

BW does not get those kids committed. They are already on line to sign when they show up and play for BW. Those BW kids come from high school power houses. Classic cherry picking is what BW is all about

Not true. Many of those BW kids start on their rising freshman team and commit 1-2 years later after playing a few seasons for BW.

I guess Madlax is in panic mode now. More and more families don't want to play for that maniac. VA kids going to VLC and BW, and now MD kids opting for Crabs and NL. Madlax is starting to shrink.

With Laxpower, RR and twitter It's not hard to figure out BW 2018 has 17 D1 commits and Madlax has 11.

Why are you getting worked up over that?

I don't see why people get so worked over this....these 3 clubs COMPLETELY different.

It's weird how that Madlax guy gets so worked up. All three clubs are successful at getting their kids into college programs.

Madlax has some better teams at certain ages and has the most kids in their program. They play a lot of events (and make you pay for it) and that's fine for those who don't mind supporting the owner.

BW plays in the least amount of events, but has had a lot of commits. Might be the cheapest option, but again it's for people who don't mind supporting that owner.

VLC is probably in between the two in terms of cost and number of events. They have placed a ton of college commits and it appears to work well for some families at certain grades.

Depending on who you are, all or at least one of the three is probably a match. No need to stress about which one is the overall best.

EXACTLY....and who really cares?!? They're competing for meal plans!

From a different thread.

1. Madlax has a 2017 kid who is a senior in HS. But he thinks he will PG a year, so he played last summer on their 2018 team and continues to do so.

2. Madlax has a 2017 kid who gave a verbal commitment and is going to graduate this year. But he has spent the last 2 years on their 2018 team.

3. Madlax has a 2018 kid who thinks he will PG, so he is playing on their 2019 team now.

Nice.

How did tryout look the other day? Any BW helmets in the mix?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did tryout look the other day? Any BW helmets in the mix?

I did not see any BW helmets at 2020 to 2017 but the 2020 had lots of kids for a Thursday at 4pm tryout. The 2019 to 2017 did not have lots of the top Capital kids show up mostly new kids but the numbers where also pretty good for a older age group. The Sat and Sun. tryouts will really be the test. I want to hear a report from the DC express tryout sat night and Sunday night.

Any report on the number of kids at the 2021 tryouts?

There were about a dozen kids with Madlax helmets at the NL tryouts running at the same time

How about VLC helmets at the tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about VLC helmets at the tryouts?

Well to be truthful anyone with a son in the 2022 to 2020 range should be attending 3 teams worth of tryouts. It is not a insult to any club in my eyes if you attend another teams tryouts. You have your son to think about and only your son. Always do what is best of him. Most people apply to more then one college and apply to more then one job when they are looking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any report on the number of kids at the 2021 tryouts?

There were about a dozen kids with Madlax helmets at the NL tryouts running at the same time

Those are the Madlax MD/VA ("B") kids. I was actually surprised how light the turnout was for Madlax. Shows that there are many options now all over the place.

How were 2020 tryouts? About 40 at VLC today

Madlax capital players making a showed up at the DC Express 2021 tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax capital players making a showed up at the DC Express 2021 tryouts

Well if the plan to go to Bullis this makes sense.

Wow. Looking at the list, 8 kids who played for Madlax 2020 have left for BW and other clubs. And the Madlax list includes one kid who told my son he's leaving, so that's 9.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Looking at the list, 8 kids who played for Madlax 2020 have left for BW and other clubs. And the Madlax list includes one kid who told my son he's leaving, so that's 9.

What a bunch of ungrateful quitters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Looking at the list, 8 kids who played for Madlax 2020 have left for BW and other clubs. And the Madlax list includes one kid who told my son he's leaving, so that's 9.

What a bunch of ungrateful quitters.

To be fair one is playing football and taking the fall season off.

Can someone please explain to me why so many of these high school club teams keep there rosters under lock and key. I understand for the youth ages but the high school level should be about recruiting and the kids and clubs should be happy to tell everyone by name who is on the club and what team they play for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Looking at the list, 8 kids who played for Madlax 2020 have left for BW and other clubs. And the Madlax list includes one kid who told my son he's leaving, so that's 9.

What a bunch of ungrateful quitters.

That quote pretty much sums up why parents encourage their kids to go play at other clubs. Good luck this season with your 2020 team. You're going to need it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain to me why so many of these high school club teams keep there rosters under lock and key. I understand for the youth ages but the high school level should be about recruiting and the kids and clubs should be happy to tell everyone by name who is on the club and what team they play for.

Madlax, VLC and NL have complete transparency on rosters. It's only BW that seems to shield their rosters from public view. Hmmmm.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain to me why so many of these high school club teams keep there rosters under lock and key. I understand for the youth ages but the high school level should be about recruiting and the kids and clubs should be happy to tell everyone by name who is on the club and what team they play for.

Who is keeping the roster under lock and key. Plenty of the clubs have rosters online ... it's interesting that Madlax chose to simply list everyone in the respective grades vs. break out Capital/VA/MD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain to me why so many of these high school club teams keep there rosters under lock and key. I understand for the youth ages but the high school level should be about recruiting and the kids and clubs should be happy to tell everyone by name who is on the club and what team they play for.

Who is keeping the roster under lock and key. Plenty of the clubs have rosters online ... it's interesting that Madlax chose to simply list everyone in the respective grades vs. break out Capital/VA/MD

Well if you read the website it says they are all going to practice as one group then right before the tournaments they will create a roster for a top and bottom team. This way you have around 8 sundays to prove you should play on the top team. Every year every team has 1 or 2 players who play great in tryouts and end up on the top team. Then when the games start they get stuck on the end of the bench. This way should help that from happening

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Looking at the list, 8 kids who played for Madlax 2020 have left for BW and other clubs. And the Madlax list includes one kid who told my son he's leaving, so that's 9.

What a bunch of ungrateful quitters.

That quote pretty much sums up why parents encourage their kids to go play at other clubs. Good luck this season with your 2020 team. You're going to need it.

So please make sure you update us all on how the other NOVA 2020 teams do this Fall. VLC,BW, Cavs, Battlelax,Evergreen,VELL
and the other ones I forgot. This grade for all the DMV is a cluster F kids have been jumping back and forth and around for the last 2 years. I just think the DMV has a weak 2020 class and people just have to live with that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain to me why so many of these high school club teams keep there rosters under lock and key. I understand for the youth ages but the high school level should be about recruiting and the kids and clubs should be happy to tell everyone by name who is on the club and what team they play for.

Madlax, VLC and NL have complete transparency on rosters. It's only BW that seems to shield their rosters from public view. Hmmmm.

Cavs have the rosters locked up also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain to me why so many of these high school club teams keep there rosters under lock and key. I understand for the youth ages but the high school level should be about recruiting and the kids and clubs should be happy to tell everyone by name who is on the club and what team they play for.

Who is keeping the roster under lock and key. Plenty of the clubs have rosters online ... it's interesting that Madlax chose to simply list everyone in the respective grades vs. break out Capital/VA/MD

with their new system, Capital and MDVA teams won;t be determined until tournament time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain to me why so many of these high school club teams keep there rosters under lock and key. I understand for the youth ages but the high school level should be about recruiting and the kids and clubs should be happy to tell everyone by name who is on the club and what team they play for.

Who is keeping the roster under lock and key. Plenty of the clubs have rosters online ... it's interesting that Madlax chose to simply list everyone in the respective grades vs. break out Capital/VA/MD

Well if you read the website it says they are all going to practice as one group then right before the tournaments they will create a roster for a top and bottom team. This way you have around 8 sundays to prove you should play on the top team. Every year every team has 1 or 2 players who play great in tryouts and end up on the top team. Then when the games start they get stuck on the end of the bench. This way should help that from happening

It is a stupid idea. If you are a kid who was previously on their B team, you really have no idea where you stand. And if you know you were in between their A and B team, you could spend weeks practicing with them only to learn the week before a tournament that you are still stuck on the B team. Meanwhile, you could be playing with and against A level players for a different club.

Expect that this experiment will fail just like many of their other "ideas".

NL doesn't display the rosters anymore. Express is not showing their roster. I think Madlax and VLC are the only ones in the DMV that do so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Looking at the list, 8 kids who played for Madlax 2020 have left for BW and other clubs. And the Madlax list includes one kid who told my son he's leaving, so that's 9.

What a bunch of ungrateful quitters.

That quote pretty much sums up why parents encourage their kids to go play at other clubs. Good luck this season with your 2020 team. You're going to need it.

So please make sure you update us all on how the other NOVA 2020 teams do this Fall. VLC,BW, Cavs, Battlelax,Evergreen,VELL
and the other ones I forgot. This grade for all the DMV is a cluster F kids have been jumping back and forth and around for the last 2 years. I just think the DMV has a weak 2020 class and people just have to live with that.

Jumping around is nothing new. Jumping from Madlax is nothing new. Your opinion of a weak 2020 class is of course YOUR opinion. 2020 in the DMV has some quality talent. Try watching some other games besides Madlax.

Lots of movement from Madlax over the last few weeks. Some top Capital kids leaving (to Crabs, BW), some mid level leaving (to Next Level, VLC), and a bunch of MD/VA kids leaving to all kinds of places (lower tier, newer clubs).

For some the new system turned them away as they were Capital but now not sure if they will be on any given weekend.

For some better MD/VA kids the summer season for those teams left a bad taste their mouth and the new format wasn't enough or the damage was already done.

Seems like Madlax can't win no matter what they do in some families eyes.

They still have a ton of kid listed, but some are C level players - those MD/VA teams will have some rosters where nobody was cut. I saw some who have never made an A team for their rec league.

Cabell is just sitting back and waiting and laughing. A revamped NL, or repackaged Express, might have hurt him even a year ago. But now he has NL in a death match with Express. He literally need not raise a finger, or send any nasty grams. Neither NL nor Express will be able to take it to the...next level. They'll both die of or be relegated to glorified rec teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell is just sitting back and waiting and laughing. A revamped NL, or repackaged Express, might have hurt him even a year ago. But now he has NL in a death match with Express. He literally need not raise a finger, or send any nasty grams. Neither NL nor Express will be able to take it to the...next level. They'll both die of or be relegated to glorified rec teams.

Hey, that's great. In the mean time, the kids who are in the Madlax program should just sit back and laugh as well?

Ding Ding - they don't have that luxury.

It is amusing you think he can just sit back and rest on his "laurels". Good luck with that business strategy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell is just sitting back and waiting and laughing. A revamped NL, or repackaged Express, might have hurt him even a year ago. But now he has NL in a death match with Express. He literally need not raise a finger, or send any nasty grams. Neither NL nor Express will be able to take it to the...next level. They'll both die of or be relegated to glorified rec teams.

That might happen. But NL 2020 and Bethesda/Express 2021 are the best in the area for their age groups and many of those kids would have played for Madlax in years past.

Madlax is getting squeeze by those clubs and VLC and BW. He is still getting plenty of kids, but the quality of teams has gone down for him.

Did all of the 2024 capital players return?

NL is not in a death match with Express. Its Madlax who's starting to circle the drain at the high school level starting with 2020 and following with 2021. Express has at best B level players for their 2020/2019/2018 programs unless they get support from LIE. This is expected but should change with the incoming 2021 class who are great and should propel the program. BLC youth players will now have a viable option to stay with BLC/Express and not leave for Madlax. Think how many Madlax high school players started out in BLC, but moved to Madlax for highschool play.
Madlax 2020 has lost players to other high school coached programs. Yeah, you'll hear Cabell laughing, but it will be that crazy madman laugh of a guy who can't believe his 2020 program can't compete at the elite level he so often markets on the website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL is not in a death match with Express. Its Madlax who's starting to circle the drain at the high school level starting with 2020 and following with 2021. Express has at best B level players for their 2020/2019/2018 programs unless they get support from LIE. This is expected but should change with the incoming 2021 class who are great and should propel the program. BLC youth players will now have a viable option to stay with BLC/Express and not leave for Madlax. Think how many Madlax high school players started out in BLC, but moved to Madlax for highschool play.
Madlax 2020 has lost players to other high school coached programs. Yeah, you'll hear Cabell laughing, but it will be that crazy madman laugh of a guy who can't believe his 2020 program can't compete at the elite level he so often markets on the website.

This could be correct, we will see. I love how everyone loves to take jabs at Cabell but at the end of the day he has help and got tons of kids on to college rosters and got them in front of 1000s of college coaches over his 20 years. Madlax will never fall completely off the table the lowest I see them every going is to a 1 team per grade system. They still have tons of contacts and they will always be there. People always love the grass on the other side. But most find out pretty quick that the grass over there is not as green as they hoped.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did all of the 2024 capital players return?

Yes, and picked up some new talent. The 2024 team is like the 2018 and 2019 teams. They keep getting better. The top kids want to play on the top teams.

Maddux is doing very well....to even be able to have B teams in the weak nova market is a feat by itself. To be able to do it while charging what he does is pretty amazing really....especially after the email. He owns club lax in nova at 6th grade and under and probably will for some time. There just isn't another club to go to. He needs to find a way to keep these kids when they get to the HS level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maddux is doing very well....to even be able to have B teams in the weak nova market is a feat by itself. To be able to do it while charging what he does is pretty amazing really....especially after the email. He owns club lax in nova at 6th grade and under and probably will for some time. There just isn't another club to go to. He needs to find a way to keep these kids when they get to the HS level.

Well let's do the math the email came out what 4 years ago. So the 2020 and 2021 kids where in what grade 5th and 4th. Right about the time you start travel or at least looking into it. The email is going away sorry people like to forgive and forget.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maddux is doing very well....to even be able to have B teams in the weak nova market is a feat by itself. To be able to do it while charging what he does is pretty amazing really....especially after the email. He owns club lax in nova at 6th grade and under and probably will for some time. There just isn't another club to go to. He needs to find a way to keep these kids when they get to the HS level.

Cavalier has just as many B teams. B teams usually are terrible experiences for kids, so I wouldn't really boast about that.

The trend for Madlax is actually not good. They were the only game in town for years. Then VLC and BW became viable threats and all three are fighting for HS kids, but Madlax owned the youth market. Now they no longer have a lock on the MS market. Given the rise of NL and Express, they will lose more kids from suburban MD. It is nowhere near as rosy as you think.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did all of the 2024 capital players return?

Yes, and picked up some new talent. The 2024 team is like the 2018 and 2019 teams. They keep getting better. The top kids want to play on the top teams.

The 2024 has 4-5 very good players, which is key. It is also one of two Madlax teams who have dads coaching their own sons. Daddy Ball is alive and well at Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did all of the 2024 capital players return?

Yes, and picked up some new talent. The 2024 team is like the 2018 and 2019 teams. They keep getting better. The top kids want to play on the top teams.

The 2024 has 4-5 very good players, which is key. It is also one of two Madlax teams who have dads coaching their own sons. Daddy Ball is alive and well at Madlax.

Ok when you say Daddy ball you do realize the dad you are talking about is the Madlax owner Cabell and his twin sons. So first have you seen his sons play. (they are really good) Second after reading the evil email and all the other bad things you guys type about him on here, Do you really think he is going to not put the best players on the field and play other kids because they are friends with his sons? So in this case I would say his crazy over the top behavior is going to keep him from being a Daddy Ball coach. Even if he made two of the kids on the team.

I guess you think labelling the email "evil" somehow makes light of the situation. If it had been a 1 time thing, you might have a point. But he has done the same thing to dozens of people.

I think you said the dad coaching the the 2022 team was just doing it temporarily. But there he is again, listed as the head coach. We all know why he is the head coach of that team.

And you also said the owner is not the real coach of the 2024 team. Instead you said with a straight face that the college kid was the head coach. I guess that's why the owner stands in every team photo of the 2024 team that he "doesn't coach".

You used to laugh at clubs who had dads coaching their sons. Why the silence about Madlax, which has TWO Daddy Ball teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you think labelling the email "evil" somehow makes light of the situation. If it had been a 1 time thing, you might have a point. But he has done the same thing to dozens of people.

I think you said the dad coaching the the 2022 team was just doing it temporarily. But there he is again, listed as the head coach. We all know why he is the head coach of that team.

And you also said the owner is not the real coach of the 2024 team. Instead you said with a straight face that the college kid was the head coach. I guess that's why the owner stands in every team photo of the 2024 team that he "doesn't coach".

You used to laugh at clubs who had dads coaching their sons. Why the silence about Madlax, which has TWO Daddy Ball teams.

I agree Daddy ball is not good. The 2022 coach was going to be temporary but the parents must of liked the job he did. And for the owner standing in the picture he stands in all the teams pictures when he is there and they are taking a picture scroll through the website if you would like. And please let me know how much it kills you that the email is fading away and people are not talking about it anymore. And heck what do you want Madlax to do with a new club starting every week and they all need coaches the pickings for paid no dad coaches is getting very slim.

My son doesn't play for Madlax anymore, but I'm confused here.

If Cabbell coaches any team other that the 2024 team it is OK, but if he coaches his sons it is Daddy ball?

Most parents and kids in the program want him to coach their team

Wrong. When he steps in at tournaments at important games, he kicks the real head coach to the curb. It affects the team's chemistry while he tries to game the refs.

But it's fine if he wants to cosch. But coaching your own sons is different.

Yes, coaching your own son is daddy ball.

I was going to make this point also but I forgot. The parents of Madlax players at a high ratio see a clear improvement in play when Cabell guest coaches the team their son plays on. And if you ever meet Cabell you would know he does not give his sons any brakes or give any kid a free pass. Go back to the email and it all started when he gave the Baby star a hard time and the kid/dad could not take it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was going to make this point also but I forgot. The parents of Madlax players at a high ratio see a clear improvement in play when Cabell guest coaches the team their son plays on. And if you ever meet Cabell you would know he does not give his sons any brakes or give any kid a free pass. Go back to the email and it all started when he gave the Baby star a hard time and the kid/dad could not take it.

Oh, we're back to "the kid and family deserved it" defense?

[quote=Anonymous]The parents of Madlax players at a high ratio see a clear improvement in play when Cabell guest coaches the team their son plays on./quote]

Good to know you speak for everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was going to make this point also but I forgot. The parents of Madlax players at a high ratio see a clear improvement in play when Cabell guest coaches the team their son plays on. And if you ever meet Cabell you would know he does not give his sons any brakes or give any kid a free pass. Go back to the email and it all started when he gave the Baby star a hard time and the kid/dad could not take it.

Oh, we're back to "the kid and family deserved it" defense?

No one deserves to be treated badly but to imply that the Dad/Kid have clean hands from this very old story is also crazy. And for me to talk to you about it just keeps this old story in the (News) and helps yours goal of hurting the club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was going to make this point also but I forgot. The parents of Madlax players at a high ratio see a clear improvement in play when Cabell guest coaches the team their son plays on. And if you ever meet Cabell you would know he does not give his sons any brakes or give any kid a free pass. Go back to the email and it all started when he gave the Baby star a hard time and the kid/dad could not take it.

Oh, we're back to "the kid and family deserved it" defense?

No one deserves to be treated badly but to imply that the Dad/Kid have clean hands from this very old story is also crazy. And for me to talk to you about it just keeps this old story in the (News) and helps yours goal of hurting the club.

No matter what the family may or may not have done, nobody deserves to have their kid threatened for deciding to go to another club.

Think about it. He alluded to physical injury when the kid played Madlax next. He talked about speaking ill of the kid to the HS coach. He threatened to sabotage him by calling his future college coach.

Are you for real? Can anything at all justify that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you think labelling the email "evil" somehow makes light of the situation. If it had been a 1 time thing, you might have a point. But he has done the same thing to dozens of people.

I think you said the dad coaching the the 2022 team was just doing it temporarily. But there he is again, listed as the head coach. We all know why he is the head coach of that team.

And you also said the owner is not the real coach of the 2024 team. Instead you said with a straight face that the college kid was the head coach. I guess that's why the owner stands in every team photo of the 2024 team that he "doesn't coach".

You used to laugh at clubs who had dads coaching their sons. Why the silence about Madlax, which has TWO Daddy Ball teams.

I agree Daddy ball is not good. The 2022 coach was going to be temporary but the parents must of liked the job he did. And for the owner standing in the picture he stands in all the teams pictures when he is there and they are taking a picture scroll through the website if you would like. And please let me know how much it kills you that the email is fading away and people are not talking about it anymore. And heck what do you want Madlax to do with a new club starting every week and they all need coaches the pickings for paid no dad coaches is getting very slim.

The daddy ball thing is overblown. Look at 2022.

Hawks - daddy coach
API - daddy coach
89+2 - daddy coach
FCA - daddy coach
Rough Riders - daddy coach
Bethesday - daddy coach

No real club employs dads as coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you think labelling the email "evil" somehow makes light of the situation. If it had been a 1 time thing, you might have a point. But he has done the same thing to dozens of people.

I think you said the dad coaching the the 2022 team was just doing it temporarily. But there he is again, listed as the head coach. We all know why he is the head coach of that team.

And you also said the owner is not the real coach of the 2024 team. Instead you said with a straight face that the college kid was the head coach. I guess that's why the owner stands in every team photo of the 2024 team that he "doesn't coach".

You used to laugh at clubs who had dads coaching their sons. Why the silence about Madlax, which has TWO Daddy Ball teams.

I agree Daddy ball is not good. The 2022 coach was going to be temporary but the parents must of liked the job he did. And for the owner standing in the picture he stands in all the teams pictures when he is there and they are taking a picture scroll through the website if you would like. And please let me know how much it kills you that the email is fading away and people are not talking about it anymore. And heck what do you want Madlax to do with a new club starting every week and they all need coaches the pickings for paid no dad coaches is getting very slim.

The daddy ball thing is overblown. Look at 2022.

Hawks - daddy coach
API - daddy coach
89+2 - daddy coach
FCA - daddy coach
Rough Riders - daddy coach
Bethesday - daddy coach

API demoted their daddy coach. He may now be the puppet master for the new guy though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No real club employs dads as coaches.

Tell me one that doesnt.

There are good coaches and bad coaches. Sometimes good coaches start a family. Sometimes bad coaches start a family. No real lacrosse person would correlate familial status with coaching ability.

Is Madlax holding supplemental tryouts for all of the BW refugees?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No real club employs dads as coaches.

Not true. At the youth level, most coaches are dads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Madlax holding supplemental tryouts for all of the BW refugees?

Dear Madlax Dad,

You are 100% crazy. We get that you want to deflect attention away from the owner. But get a grip.

Have you ever thought why no HS kids are leaving Crabs, BW, VLC for Madlax? But instead, a ton of Madlax kids leave in HS for those clubs?

Think about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are good coaches and bad coaches. Sometimes good coaches start a family. Sometimes bad coaches start a family. No real lacrosse person would correlate familial status with coaching ability.

Madlax has two dads who coach their owns sons on a Madlax team.

Madlax = daddy ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Madlax holding supplemental tryouts for all of the BW refugees?

Dear Madlax Dad,

You are 100% crazy. We get that you want to deflect attention away from the owner. But get a grip.

Have you ever thought why no HS kids are leaving Crabs, BW, VLC for Madlax? But instead, a ton of Madlax kids leave in HS for those clubs?

Think about it.

Not sure if recent incident will make families reconsider staying with BW. Also, players aren't going to Madlax '18 or '19 because it's too hard to crack the lineup. The kids who do leave must not be starters. Think about it.

Hmmm, 2 kids in Madlax over 6 years, and I dont recall 1 coach trying to kill my kid.

What say you Trig?

Trig is trying to kill kids? Ok. Whatever.

Can someone answer why Madlax has two dads coaching their own sons? Not somehting I would expect for 1.5x the cost of the other clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are good coaches and bad coaches. Sometimes good coaches start a family. Sometimes bad coaches start a family. No real lacrosse person would correlate familial status with coaching ability.

Madlax has two dads who coach their owns sons on a Madlax team.

Madlax = daddy ball.

Please follow up with the resume of the two dads that are coaching Madlax teams at this time. Also please state that one is the owner of the club. Also please find one parent of a child on the other Dad coached team that is upset he is the coach. If my sources are correct the parents of the other Dad coached team asked for him to coach this team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trig is trying to kill kids? Ok. Whatever.

Can someone answer why Madlax has two dads coaching their own sons? Not somehting I would expect for 1.5x the cost of the other clubs.

Should probably pay 2x as this coach has youth, high school, and college coaching experience.

Lol. He is coaching the team because he and hisbuddies didn't like the playing time distribution and got the coach fired.

Before u said daddy ball was terrible. And Madlax wouldn't never doit. Then u said this guy was just a temporary fix.

What us your excuse now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol. He is coaching the team because he and hisbuddies didn't like the playing time distribution and got the coach fired.

Before u said daddy ball was terrible. And Madlax wouldn't never doit. Then u said this guy was just a temporary fix.

What us your excuse now?

I guess my answer would be are the parents of this team happy? What age group is this again? When this group is in the summer after 8th grade is he still the coach? What else can they do there have been 5 clubs started on top of the others this year alone in the DMV? Should he just hire a coach off the street who is less of a coach then this guy?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trig is trying to kill kids? Ok. Whatever.

Can someone answer why Madlax has two dads coaching their own sons? Not somehting I would expect for 1.5x the cost of the other clubs.

Yes, make light of the 3 kids, yes 3, at one off season practice needing 3 different ambulances to get to the hospital. Nice try Trig. Play this song in Texas.

As for the Dads, maybe because Madlax coaches are old enough to have kids?

The 2 Madlax dads who keep talking about Trig going to Texas really need to get a life.

Trig was a wee bit irresponsible at a practice and 3 or 4 kids had to be taken to hospital for heat stroke. Trip was too busy making men out of the boys to bother given them water breaks.

Sounds like Trig is the one who's gonna need a life after getting canned by SJCHS before he even really started. Would be surprised if any HS program would touch him after this debacle. I feel sorry for the players who moved to BW because of Trig's position at SJCHS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trig was a wee bit irresponsible at a practice and 3 or 4 kids had to be taken to hospital for heat stroke. Trip was too busy making men out of the boys to bother given them water breaks.

OK Trig. Keep justifying it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trig was a wee bit irresponsible at a practice and 3 or 4 kids had to be taken to hospital for heat stroke. Trip was too busy making men out of the boys to bother given them water breaks.

OK Trig. Keep justifying it.

I feel a little hypocritical trashing Trig for his over the top behavior. But after watching people trash the Madlax owner all these last 4 years over emails and mean talk. Its nice to let the wolves turn on a guy equally or worse then Cabel. This guy turned his words into real harm on a child, I mean three children.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Madlax holding supplemental tryouts for all of the BW refugees?

Why would players from BW consider going to Madlax? Reason players are at BW is because they wouldn't consider playing for Cabell or have already been thru the Madlax ringer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Madlax holding supplemental tryouts for all of the BW refugees?

Why would players from BW consider going to Madlax? Reason players are at BW is because they wouldn't consider playing for Cabell or have already been thru the Madlax ringer.

Maybe because Cabell has never tried to kill anyone???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trig was a wee bit irresponsible at a practice and 3 or 4 kids had to be taken to hospital for heat stroke. Trip was too busy making men out of the boys to bother given them water breaks.

OK Trig. Keep justifying it.

So he didn't give a water break after the first kid went to the hospital? and not after second? Then there were 1 or 2 more and still no water? Or did they all go together? Was a life flight necessary?

This cannot be true. If it is, where are the police?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trig was a wee bit irresponsible at a practice and 3 or 4 kids had to be taken to hospital for heat stroke. Trip was too busy making men out of the boys to bother given them water breaks.

OK Trig. Keep justifying it.

I feel a little hypocritical trashing Trig for his over the top behavior. But after watching people trash the Madlax owner all these last 4 years over emails and mean talk. Its nice to let the wolves turn on a guy equally or worse then Cabel. This guy turned his words into real harm on a child, I mean three children.

How is it trashing when it was the guy's OWN WORDS and ACTIONS? Not justifying anyone going to the hospital, but I have no idea how much (if any) blame Trig gets for this. Most clubs tell kids to bring their own water. It's one thing if Trig denied his kids water breaks or prevented them from drinking. But we don't know what happened.

I do know that the Deadspin email family was threatened, the owner insinuated that his former teammates were going to hurt him physically, etc.

Nobody is making up stories. That guy has done it to dozens of families. Amazing that you keep defending it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trig was a wee bit irresponsible at a practice and 3 or 4 kids had to be taken to hospital for heat stroke. Trip was too busy making men out of the boys to bother given them water breaks.

OK Trig. Keep justifying it.

I feel a little hypocritical trashing Trig for his over the top behavior. But after watching people trash the Madlax owner all these last 4 years over emails and mean talk. Its nice to let the wolves turn on a guy equally or worse then Cabel. This guy turned his words into real harm on a child, I mean three children.

How is it trashing when it was the guy's OWN WORDS and ACTIONS? Not justifying anyone going to the hospital, but I have no idea how much (if any) blame Trig gets for this. Most clubs tell kids to bring their own water. It's one thing if Trig denied his kids water breaks or prevented them from drinking. But we don't know what happened.

I do know that the Deadspin email family was threatened, the owner insinuated that his former teammates were going to hurt him physically, etc.

Nobody is making up stories. That guy has done it to dozens of families. Amazing that you keep defending it.

I am not defending the email as a good thing. But it was a word fight with a pr$ck of a dad. And he never sent the kids after him in a game. Yes he said it, he was fighting mad at a adult but once again nothing happened in real life. Trig for 100% sure was coaching a group of kids and 3 of them had to leave for heat issues. I know this for a fact. He is known for his harsh treatment of his players. No one who has seen him practice is shocked he pushed kids to a point that 3 had to leave in ambulances. He is a nut job. Does Cabel yell yes but I have never heard him call a kid a [lacrosse] or you suck to the kids face. He just removes a kid from the game and says who did this wrong or do not do blank again. I have seen and heard Trig call kids names and tons of extra verbal jabs to go along with what the kid did wrong. I have talked to 10 or more BW parents who will back this fact up.

I am curious what the parents/kids on Blackwolf think of this development. I've read some damning things on other forums on how Trig handled the whole situation. I don't know the man personally, so who knows what the truth is other then he is out at SjC. Perhaps he focuses on BW, or perhaps he throws the towel and focuses on family (as some folks have said was the main reason he 'resigned').

From a pure lax standpoint (which many, many of you parents on this board view life through) you can't argue with his college placement record. He got kids into D1 programs. At what cost, who really knows. I know most kids wanted to play for BW simply because of the mystique ... I think that veneer has been lost.

Is he out at ST JOHNS? Or us that made up?

Funny to see the 1-2 crazy Madlax dads foaming at the mouth at the possibility that the BW guy takes the #1 "most hated" position away from the Madlax owner.

Sorry, but it doesn't sound like he's overtaking him any time soon.

Is it true the Madlax guy is a Trump supporter?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is he out at ST JOHNS? Or us that made up?

He was fired on 10/2.

For the one BW practice?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the one BW practice?

No from a SJ high school practice. And for being crazy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the one BW practice?

No. It was an on campus SJC practice. And once again, the practice is one of many reasons he was fired. The practice is just what brought everything out.

How does the Madlax 2020 and 2021 teams stack up regionally? Sons teams are going to be playing them this fall.

Those are 2 of the weaker years for Madlax. 2018,2019,2022,2024 are all top to really good. So if your clubs wins you can say you are above avg. for the region. If you beat the other years you can say you are top 10 for the region. Give or take.

How did Madlax do at the UMD playday?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did Madlax do at the UMD playday?

Not there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did Madlax do at the UMD playday?

Not there.

That is not true I see a Picture of the complete team in uniform at UMD from this weekend. And it says what a great day at UMD playday.

Has anyone here played in the Capital Box Lacrosse League or played with the Madlax North Stars team?

Son wants to play box, but plays for another club. I know North Stars is open to all, but I assume 99% of the kids are all Madlax kids? What is the quality of play and coaching?

The price is pretty steep -- wondering if it is worth it or not. He could simply be a free agent in the CBLL, which would be considerably cheaper ($195 vs. $1295). Thanks.

From what I saw there was favoritism for Madlax year-around players in the box league.

Hear a town team from new jersey beat them at umd. Not sure what town.s

Madlax 2021 lost to Leading Edge by 1 goal and lost to Manhasset by 2 goals at U. Md. play day. Both games were very close and could have gone either way. Manhasset beat Leading Edge by 4 or 5 goals. Was close but Manhasset scored a bunch at the end.

Translation: Madlax lost every game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does the Madlax 2020 and 2021 teams stack up regionally? Sons teams are going to be playing them this fall.

Madlax 2020 is the better of the DMV teams but has never beaten any of the Elite Hoco teams including NL2020 even with a national team this summer. Heard they lost a few top players to BW but gained a few from Episcopal's incoming freshman.
Madlax 2021 is not very good and gets owned by Bethesda (now DC Express).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does the Madlax 2020 and 2021 teams stack up regionally? Sons teams are going to be playing them this fall.

Madlax 2020 is the better of the DMV teams but has never beaten any of the Elite Hoco teams including NL2020 even with a national team this summer. Heard they lost a few top players to BW but gained a few from Episcopal's incoming freshman.
Madlax 2021 is not very good and gets owned by Bethesda (now DC Express).

No, Madlax 2020 is one of the worst DMV teams. Next Level 2020 is the best in the DMV, followed by VLC 2020. Madlax was pretty marginal and then lost a ton of kids to BW, who should have a respectable 2020 team.

How many teams would you say play in the DMV please list them I would say 15 at the least. So you are trying to say Madlax 2020 is the worst of these 15 teams. This is just not true. Even if you rank them 7th of these 15 they would be avg. not the worst. So my point being your jaded view and hatred of the Madlax club is very clear in your ranking of the teams skill.

In the DMV region there are only 5 legit lax 2020 "travel" teams:
NL
VLC
BW
Madlax
DC Express
Crabs

Madlax isn't the worst and until VLC or BW beats them I'd consider Madlax 2020 better until proven on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone here played in the Capital Box Lacrosse League or played with the Madlax North Stars team?

Son wants to play box, but plays for another club. I know North Stars is open to all, but I assume 99% of the kids are all Madlax kids? What is the quality of play and coaching?

The price is pretty steep -- wondering if it is worth it or not. He could simply be a free agent in the CBLL, which would be considerably cheaper ($195 vs. $1295). Thanks.

We don't play for Madlax, did the CBLL and didn't think it was worth it in the end. The rosters in the CBLL are huge, so playing time is very stretched for everyone. But yes, they have huge partisanship for the Madlax kids. The problem is the CBLL has a variety spectrum of abilities, so you have a lot of kids who really can't play. So that affects the ability to learn and play the box game when you some guys who can't catch and throw.

The North Stars thing is a huge amount of money. We didn't do it, but have Madlax friends who have. You get some cool swag, but it's basically a lot of money for some gear, practices and a couple tournaments. The Madlax teams haven't done very well because they go to serious box tournaments with teams who have kids who are very experienced in the game. Almost all the kids down here really don't have that much exposure and think it's the same game and it's not. So Madlax gets pounded.

I would have him play with his buddies wherever they are playing. We are going to stop playing indoor and just let him have fun playing basketball. I think it's too much lax to begin with from spring to fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the DMV region there are only 5 legit lax 2020 "travel" teams:
NL
VLC
BW
Madlax
DC Express
Crabs

Madlax isn't the worst and until VLC or BW beats them I'd consider Madlax 2020 better until proven on the field.

How can you include a Baltimore based team like Crabs but not include FCA or Looneys who would beat every other team on your list?

[quote=Anonymous]In the DMV region there are only 5 legit lax 2020 "travel" teams:
NL
VLC
BW
Madlax
DC Express
Crabs

Madlax isn't the worst and until VLC or BW beats them I'd consider Madlax 2020 better until proven on the field. [/quote

Man you just hurt a lot of peoples feelings with your list of DMV travel teams that are legit. I do agree with the list in that they are the only real choices for the DMV. But we will never be able to rank them tell the end of fall then the end of summer. Maybe we can have a thread started just to track the W/L records of these 6 teams that would help a ton with these rankings we all like to do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the DMV region there are only 5 legit lax 2020 "travel" teams:
NL
VLC
BW
Madlax
DC Express
Crabs

Madlax isn't the worst and until VLC or BW beats them I'd consider Madlax 2020 better until proven on the field.

I was referring to between NL, VLC, BW and Madlax. NL is the best. Personnel wise, both BW and VLC have better rosters, especially after Madlax lost several kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the DMV region there are only 5 legit lax 2020 "travel" teams:
NL
VLC
BW
Madlax
DC Express
Crabs

Madlax isn't the worst and until VLC or BW beats them I'd consider Madlax 2020 better until proven on the field.

I was referring to between NL, VLC, BW and Madlax. NL is the best. Personnel wise, both BW and VLC have better rosters, especially after Madlax lost several kids.

How could you know the roster of BW the kids on the team do not know the roster of any BW team?

Did NL lose anyone to BW, Madlax or VLC or are they basically the same team as last summer? They got pretty good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did NL lose anyone to BW, Madlax or VLC or are they basically the same team as last summer? They got pretty good.

NL lost one player to BW. Gained a pole from Crabs. All in all the same team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the DMV region there are only 5 legit lax 2020 "travel" teams:
NL
VLC
BW
Madlax
DC Express
Crabs

Madlax isn't the worst and until VLC or BW beats them I'd consider Madlax 2020 better until proven on the field.

I was referring to between NL, VLC, BW and Madlax. NL is the best. Personnel wise, both BW and VLC have better rosters, especially after Madlax lost several kids.

How could you know the roster of BW the kids on the team do not know the roster of any BW team?

Because my son knows who is on the team. Definitely better than Madlax's team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2021 lost to Leading Edge by 1 goal and lost to Manhasset by 2 goals at U. Md. play day.

That is embarrassing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]In the DMV region there are only 5 legit lax 2020 "travel" teams:
NL
VLC
BW
Madlax
DC Express
Crabs

Madlax isn't the worst and until VLC or BW beats them I'd consider Madlax 2020 better until proven on the field. [/quote

Man you just hurt a lot of peoples feelings with your list of DMV travel teams that are legit. I do agree with the list in that they are the only real choices for the DMV. But we will never be able to rank them tell the end of fall then the end of summer. Maybe we can have a thread started just to track the W/L records of these 6 teams that would help a ton with these rankings we all like to do.

We can definately rank the teams as they haven't changed that much. I heard the same talk last year about Madlax/VLC and neither beat a top program including the Crabs/NL. Crabs and NL will be close(r) this year. All the other DMV teams are not Elite HOCO level and have never beaten either Crabs or NL. Most of the players on #2 thru #6 are players who couldn't make the Crabs/NL and or if they did were 2nd/3rd line players.
There just aren't any "new" unknown players in the DMV. They already play for their respective teams and are not leaving. The only new players could be from Episcopal on Madlax. Madlax and DC Express can also pull from other programs nationally for tournaments. I would expect DC Express(via LIE affiliation) to do this to have any chance to compete.

1. Crabs
2. NL
3. Madlax
4. BW
5. VLC
6. DC Express

You are an idiot. You're posting when you don't even know the kids on various teams. VLC and BW definitely above Madlax.

Crabs are not a DMV team.

DC Express well below the rest of these teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. You're posting when you don't even know the kids on various teams. VLC and BW definitely above Madlax.

Crabs are not a DMV team.

DC Express well below the rest of these teams.

If I'm an idiot how many times last year did VLC beat Madlax. Or better when was the last time VLC beat Madlax? Waiting.... I only know a couple kids on BW and but am familiar with Madlax as well as Crabs and NL. Crabs kinda are a DMV team as they have 4 of the better players from the DMV region on the team who if they played for any of the teams ranked #2-#6 they be instantly a top team. Don't underestimate DC Express. Yes they're new but for tourny's they'll pull from LIE. Did so for tourny's last year with Performance 2019's. Who's the idiot now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the DMV region there are only 5 legit lax 2020 "travel" teams:
NL
VLC
BW
Madlax
DC Express
Crabs

Madlax isn't the worst and until VLC or BW beats them I'd consider Madlax 2020 better until proven on the field.

I was referring to between NL, VLC, BW and Madlax. NL is the best. Personnel wise, both BW and VLC have better rosters, especially after Madlax lost several kids.

How could you know the roster of BW the kids on the team do not know the roster of any BW team?

Because my son knows who is on the team. Definitely better than Madlax's team.

Does your son know who is on the Madlax team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. You're posting when you don't even know the kids on various teams. VLC and BW definitely above Madlax.

Crabs are not a DMV team.

DC Express well below the rest of these teams.

You don't know the kids on Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone here played in the Capital Box Lacrosse League or played with the Madlax North Stars team?

Son wants to play box, but plays for another club. I know North Stars is open to all, but I assume 99% of the kids are all Madlax kids? What is the quality of play and coaching?

The price is pretty steep -- wondering if it is worth it or not. He could simply be a free agent in the CBLL, which would be considerably cheaper ($195 vs. $1295). Thanks.

We don't play for Madlax, did the CBLL and didn't think it was worth it in the end. The rosters in the CBLL are huge, so playing time is very stretched for everyone. But yes, they have huge partisanship for the Madlax kids. The problem is the CBLL has a variety spectrum of abilities, so you have a lot of kids who really can't play. So that affects the ability to learn and play the box game when you some guys who can't catch and throw.

The North Stars thing is a huge amount of money. We didn't do it, but have Madlax friends who have. You get some cool swag, but it's basically a lot of money for some gear, practices and a couple tournaments. The Madlax teams haven't done very well because they go to serious box tournaments with teams who have kids who are very experienced in the game. Almost all the kids down here really don't have that much exposure and think it's the same game and it's not. So Madlax gets pounded.

I would have him play with his buddies wherever they are playing. We are going to stop playing indoor and just let him have fun playing basketball. I think it's too much lax to begin with from spring to fall.

THANK YOU for posting this. Absolutely refreshing to get a thoughtful response amid all the noise. From the sound of things, I'll probably hold out my son unless his club/hs fields a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. You're posting when you don't even know the kids on various teams. VLC and BW definitely above Madlax.

Crabs are not a DMV team.

DC Express well below the rest of these teams.

You don't know the kids on Madlax.

Not the original poster, but I will say this. My son plays for a DMV club. My son also knows MANY of the Madlax kids. They either 1) played together previously in rec or club 2) attended the same camps (e.g. Top Prospects) 3) attend the same showcases (e.g. Under Armour/Bluechip) or 4) has club team mates who go to school with the Madlax kids.

So yes, the kids know the other kids. I know several of the Madlax 2020 kids personally, as well as their parents. It really isn't a big world in DMV lacrosse. For the most part, all the kids are friends on Snapchat, Instagram, etc.

Honestly, it's the PARENTS that act like children (as evidenced on this forum) and are an embarrassment.

The good news is colleges aren't recruiting CLUBS. They're recruiting individual talent. So whether you play for VLC, NL, BW or Madlax your kid will get their chance to impress. No amount of bickering or ranking on an internet forum is going to change the outcome. Good luck to your kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. You're posting when you don't even know the kids on various teams. VLC and BW definitely above Madlax.

Crabs are not a DMV team.

DC Express well below the rest of these teams.

You don't know the kids on Madlax.

Not the original poster, but I will say this. My son plays for a DMV club. My son also knows MANY of the Madlax kids. They either 1) played together previously in rec or club 2) attended the same camps (e.g. Top Prospects) 3) attend the same showcases (e.g. Under Armour/Bluechip) or 4) has club team mates who go to school with the Madlax kids.

So yes, the kids know the other kids. I know several of the Madlax 2020 kids personally, as well as their parents. It really isn't a big world in DMV lacrosse. For the most part, all the kids are friends on Snapchat, Instagram, etc.

Honestly, it's the PARENTS that act like children (as evidenced on this forum) and are an embarrassment.

The good news is colleges aren't recruiting CLUBS. They're recruiting individual talent. So whether you play for VLC, NL, BW or Madlax your kid will get their chance to impress. No amount of bickering or ranking on an internet forum is going to change the outcome. Good luck to your kid.

BOOOOM!!!! IN YO FACE!!!! HOW YA LIKE ME NOW!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. You're posting when you don't even know the kids on various teams. VLC and BW definitely above Madlax.

Crabs are not a DMV team.

DC Express well below the rest of these teams.

You don't know the kids on Madlax.

Not the original poster, but I will say this. My son plays for a DMV club. My son also knows MANY of the Madlax kids. They either 1) played together previously in rec or club 2) attended the same camps (e.g. Top Prospects) 3) attend the same showcases (e.g. Under Armour/Bluechip) or 4) has club team mates who go to school with the Madlax kids.

So yes, the kids know the other kids. I know several of the Madlax 2020 kids personally, as well as their parents. It really isn't a big world in DMV lacrosse. For the most part, all the kids are friends on Snapchat, Instagram, etc.

Honestly, it's the PARENTS that act like children (as evidenced on this forum) and are an embarrassment.

The good news is colleges aren't recruiting CLUBS. They're recruiting individual talent. So whether you play for VLC, NL, BW or Madlax your kid will get their chance to impress. No amount of bickering or ranking on an internet forum is going to change the outcome. Good luck to your kid.

BOOOOM!!!! IN YO FACE!!!! HOW YA LIKE ME NOW!!!!!!!!

Lots of new Snapchat accounts. Roster is way different.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. You're posting when you don't even know the kids on various teams. VLC and BW definitely above Madlax.

Crabs are not a DMV team.

DC Express well below the rest of these teams.

Kids leaving BW in droves. No parent can let kid play for Trig knowing that he sent 3 kids to hospital and got fired 3 months into the job at SJC. Best kids have options and wont play for him...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. You're posting when you don't even know the kids on various teams. VLC and BW definitely above Madlax.

Crabs are not a DMV team.

DC Express well below the rest of these teams.

You don't know the kids on Madlax.

Not the original poster, but I will say this. My son plays for a DMV club. My son also knows MANY of the Madlax kids. They either 1) played together previously in rec or club 2) attended the same camps (e.g. Top Prospects) 3) attend the same showcases (e.g. Under Armour/Bluechip) or 4) has club team mates who go to school with the Madlax kids.

So yes, the kids know the other kids. I know several of the Madlax 2020 kids personally, as well as their parents. It really isn't a big world in DMV lacrosse. For the most part, all the kids are friends on Snapchat, Instagram, etc.

Honestly, it's the PARENTS that act like children (as evidenced on this forum) and are an embarrassment.

The good news is colleges aren't recruiting CLUBS. They're recruiting individual talent. So whether you play for VLC, NL, BW or Madlax your kid will get their chance to impress. No amount of bickering or ranking on an internet forum is going to change the outcome. Good luck to your kid.

BOOOOM!!!! IN YO FACE!!!! HOW YA LIKE ME NOW!!!!!!!!

Lots of new Snapchat accounts. Roster is way different.

Trig- Really you need to stop. See a doctor, get some meds. Go on a vacation. Move to Tx. But please stop, because you are not helping your players or yourself with these comments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. You're posting when you don't even know the kids on various teams. VLC and BW definitely above Madlax.

Crabs are not a DMV team.

DC Express well below the rest of these teams.

Kids leaving BW in droves. No parent can let kid play for Trig knowing that he sent 3 kids to hospital and got fired 3 months into the job at SJC. Best kids have options and wont play for him...

Name one kid who has left BW.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. You're posting when you don't even know the kids on various teams. VLC and BW definitely above Madlax.

Crabs are not a DMV team.

DC Express well below the rest of these teams.

Kids leaving BW in droves. No parent can let kid play for Trig knowing that he sent 3 kids to hospital and got fired 3 months into the job at SJC. Best kids have options and wont play for him...

Instead, they would rather play for the Madlax owner who has been fired from every HS job he's ever had? Don't think so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. You're posting when you don't even know the kids on various teams. VLC and BW definitely above Madlax.

Crabs are not a DMV team.

DC Express well below the rest of these teams.

If I'm an idiot how many times last year did VLC beat Madlax. Or better when was the last time VLC beat Madlax? Waiting.... I only know a couple kids on BW and but am familiar with Madlax as well as Crabs and NL. Crabs kinda are a DMV team as they have 4 of the better players from the DMV region on the team who if they played for any of the teams ranked #2-#6 they be instantly a top team. Don't underestimate DC Express. Yes they're new but for tourny's they'll pull from LIE. Did so for tourny's last year with Performance 2019's. Who's the idiot now.

DC Express has a good nucleus on their 2021. Rest of the club is garbage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. You're posting when you don't even know the kids on various teams. VLC and BW definitely above Madlax.

Crabs are not a DMV team.

DC Express well below the rest of these teams.

Kids leaving BW in droves. No parent can let kid play for Trig knowing that he sent 3 kids to hospital and got fired 3 months into the job at SJC. Best kids have options and wont play for him...

Name one kid who has left BW.

Since you asked 2019 who just committed to PSU? BW not getting it done, Madlax committed him before he hit the field.

LOL. That reclassed kid is on his 3rd club. He just joined Madlax this fall. He was seen and got committed based on his work at BW, not Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. That reclassed kid is on his 3rd club. He just joined Madlax this fall. He was seen and got committed based on his work at BW, not Madlax.

It was broadcast on Twitter as a Madlax commit.

He has been on Madlax for 2 weeks. His dad is also 10x worse than the Hey Ungrateful Quitter dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He has been on Madlax for 2 weeks. His dad is also 10x worse than the Hey Ungrateful Quitter dad.

Well if that is the case the whole the scouts are looking at the parents story is false! This kid has a younger brother you has played for Madlax at least 1 or 2 years. I just think this 2019 wanted to play more lacrosse. And Madlax gives that to you. BW schedule is just to light for most kids who love to play and see all their friends playing so many more games. And more practices.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He has been on Madlax for 2 weeks. His dad is also 10x worse than the Hey Ungrateful Quitter dad.

Well if that is the case the whole the scouts are looking at the parents story is false! This kid has a younger brother you has played for Madlax at least 1 or 2 years. I just think this 2019 wanted to play more lacrosse. And Madlax gives that to you. BW schedule is just to light for most kids who love to play and see all their friends playing so many more games. And more practices.

Agree with that statement. Probably OK if your HS team plays a lot in the off season and many of the privates do.

2020 team has a couple new kids from virginia beach. 1 is a good FOGO who reclassed at Episcopal and another is a big middie who made UA uncommitted team this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 team has a couple new kids from virginia beach. 1 is a good FOGO who reclassed at Episcopal and another is a big middie who made UA uncommitted team this summer.

This is a smart call for these two young men. Say what you want but no team in Va Beach can give them what Madlax can give them over the next 2 or 3 years. And with this year having weak spots they can step in and roll.

Biggest difference between Madlax and Blackwolf is the quality of tournament. Madlax's best teams (2017-2019) play in the elite top 1% tourneys. BW plays in the next best ones, which are still very good, but not quite as selective. they also don't play as much as they practice. (Ex: Madlax gets into the adrenaline platinum cup) There's 0 shame in playing for VLC because while they're definitely down, if they recognize that you are a elite, top level recruit, they make sure you're seen whether it be through them or their Baltimore based friends, as evidenced by their 2018 team. (id probably say that if they recognized that they had a team that could compete they could use connections to get into an adrenaline level tournament) I'd argue that 3d is a decent route if you can get on their national team. Other than that, really don't see any other clubs pumping out recruits in the area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest difference between Madlax and Blackwolf is the quality of tournament. Madlax's best teams (2017-2019) play in the elite top 1% tourneys. BW plays in the next best ones, which are still very good, but not quite as selective. they also don't play as much as they practice. (Ex: Madlax gets into the adrenaline platinum cup) There's 0 shame in playing for VLC because while they're definitely down, if they recognize that you are a elite, top level recruit, they make sure you're seen whether it be through them or their Baltimore based friends, as evidenced by their 2018 team. (id probably say that if they recognized that they had a team that could compete they could use connections to get into an adrenaline level tournament) I'd argue that 3d is a decent route if you can get on their national team. Other than that, really don't see any other clubs pumping out recruits in the area.

VLC is not down. Their 2018 team is as good as the Madlax team. Madlax 2019 is the best in the area, but VLC has the better 2020 team.

VLC doesn't start with 7 year olds, so they have to assemble a 7th grade team from scratch. But as they have shown, their HS program is outstanding. BW and VLC have a better recruiting hit rate than Madlax by a wide margin.

Hey VLC dada, you are nuts--Madlax 2018 won 2 large summer tournaments, beating Crabs, LI Express, Laxachuesettes and other top programs. Madlax 2018 has what Xanders considers the best player in the country and several others in the top group. Just stop it with the VLC comparisons

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest difference between Madlax and Blackwolf is the quality of tournament. Madlax's best teams (2017-2019) play in the elite top 1% tourneys. BW plays in the next best ones, which are still very good, but not quite as selective. they also don't play as much as they practice. (Ex: Madlax gets into the adrenaline platinum cup) There's 0 shame in playing for VLC because while they're definitely down, if they recognize that you are a elite, top level recruit, they make sure you're seen whether it be through them or their Baltimore based friends, as evidenced by their 2018 team. (id probably say that if they recognized that they had a team that could compete they could use connections to get into an adrenaline level tournament) I'd argue that 3d is a decent route if you can get on their national team. Other than that, really don't see any other clubs pumping out recruits in the area.

VLC is not down. Their 2018 team is as good as the Madlax team. Madlax 2019 is the best in the area, but VLC has the better 2020 team.

VLC doesn't start with 7 year olds, so they have to assemble a 7th grade team from scratch. But as they have shown, their HS program is outstanding. BW and VLC have a better recruiting hit rate than Madlax by a wide margin.

When was the last time VLC 2020 beat Madlax 2020? Mhm.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey VLC dada, you are nuts--Madlax 2018 won 2 large summer tournaments, beating Crabs, LI Express, Laxachuesettes and other top programs. Madlax 2018 has what Xanders considers the best player in the country and several others in the top group. Just stop it with the VLC comparisons

My son plays for BW 2018 and we lose by 2-3 to VLC last year. They have an excellent team, as does BW as does Madlax. All 3 teams are excellent.

BW has more college commits and Madlax has more "star names". All three are excellent and it's sad that some dads here want to diss others. Let's support all of our kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey VLC dada, you are nuts--Madlax 2018 won 2 large summer tournaments, beating Crabs, LI Express, Laxachuesettes and other top programs. Madlax 2018 has what Xanders considers the best player in the country and several others in the top group. Just stop it with the VLC comparisons

My son plays for BW 2018 and we lose by 2-3 to VLC last year. They have an excellent team, as does BW as does Madlax. All 3 teams are excellent.

BW has more college commits and Madlax has more "star names". All three are excellent and it's sad that some dads here want to diss others. Let's support all of our kids.

So can you tell us how many practices and tournaments you BW have in a 12 month window?

The horse id dead, people. Stop beating it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The horse id dead, people. Stop beating it.

So if this question is so old why can you not answer it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The horse id dead, people. Stop beating it.

So if this question is so old why can you not answer it?

Not only are you a stalker, but a weirdo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The horse id dead, people. Stop beating it.

So if this question is so old why can you not answer it?

Not only are you a stalker, but a weirdo.

You know the funny part is I am sure I have talked to you before. And I am sure we got along. What team does your son play on again and what age? My goal is to get the people on here to put out useful information. If I look bad doing it oh well. There is a reason this site is read by so many. Most just read and use the info. But someone has to ask the questions and move the talk along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey VLC dada, you are nuts--Madlax 2018 won 2 large summer tournaments, beating Crabs, LI Express, Laxachuesettes and other top programs. Madlax 2018 has what Xanders considers the best player in the country and several others in the top group. Just stop it with the VLC comparisons

My son plays for BW 2018 and we lose by 2-3 to VLC last year. They have an excellent team, as does BW as does Madlax. All 3 teams are excellent.

BW has more college commits and Madlax has more "star names". All three are excellent and it's sad that some dads here want to diss others. Let's support all of our kids.

So can you tell us how many practices and tournaments you BW have in a 12 month window?

The BW 2018 team generally has around 10 practices and 4 or 5 tournaments in a calendar year. 5 practices and 2 fall tournaments; 5 practices and 2 or 3 summer tournaments. They rarely get a full lineup for anything, though, because so many of the WCAC & IAC schools are doing tournaments these days. It is definitely not full time compared to most clubs.

I don't get why someone would want MORE lax for their HS kid....it's already year round. Is there nothing else to do? No church? No friends? No hobbies?

Madlax offers and charges for a lot of tournaments, which is really fun when your kid is young. It's fun to see them playing all summer long, hanging out with other parents.

But when you get to HS, you realize that it's not necessary to play in 4-6 events every season. 2 or 3 is plenty, especially when you factor in the individual recruiting events your son wants to/has to attend (plus potentially playing with his own HS team in the offseason). That's why so many people ditch Madlax in the HS years. Diminishing returns and increasing prices.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax offers and charges for a lot of tournaments, which is really fun when your kid is young. It's fun to see them playing all summer long, hanging out with other parents.

But when you get to HS, you realize that it's not necessary to play in 4-6 events every season. 2 or 3 is plenty, especially when you factor in the individual recruiting events your son wants to/has to attend (plus potentially playing with his own HS team in the offseason). That's why so many people ditch Madlax in the HS years. Diminishing returns and increasing prices.

This all makes sense for the top 30% of a recruiting class. But if your son is the other 70% he needs as many chances to be seen. Labron James could pick and choice how much and when he played as a kid. But the white point guard needs to prove his worth many times to get his college spot.

These days, kids have a better chance being seen at a recruiting event or prospect day (or with this HS team at a recruiting event).

Nobody needs to play in 5 club team events. That is just a scam for the for-profit clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These days, kids have a better chance being seen at a recruiting event or prospect day (or with this HS team at a recruiting event).

Nobody needs to play in 5 club team events. That is just a scam for the for-profit clubs.

99% of public schools do not play in offseason events. If you are a team player type you will never shine at me first showcases. If you have a school you target the prospect day is a great thing. But these are during the week most times or during none tournament times. I can not get how a coach seeing you play more is a bad thing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These days, kids have a better chance being seen at a recruiting event or prospect day (or with this HS team at a recruiting event).

Nobody needs to play in 5 club team events. That is just a scam for the for-profit clubs.

This is mostly untrue!! If you play for an Elite HS team, maybe that is as good as a club event. Everything else, just not true. Prospect days are mainly money makers for the coaches.

If you play for an elite club, who plays in premier events, you will have best chance of being seen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These days, kids have a better chance being seen at a recruiting event or prospect day (or with this HS team at a recruiting event).

Nobody needs to play in 5 club team events. That is just a scam for the for-profit clubs.

This is mostly untrue!! If you play for an Elite HS team, maybe that is as good as a club event. Everything else, just not true. Prospect days are mainly money makers for the coaches.

If you play for an elite club, who plays in premier events, you will have best chance of being seen.

And when people try to say 5 events they are going off a Madlax player playing on the National team. So its not every player its the top players. So Madlax players play 3 tournaments in the fall and 4 in the summer. This gives them the flexibility to miss a Madlax tournament for a high school tournament and still play in 3 with the Madlax team. If you are a BW player and your high school schedules something for one of the two weekends that BW is doing, you only play in one BW tournament. How would that help you.

You Madlax dads are crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You Madlax dads are crazy.

Not just Madlax dads.

But they are at the top of the list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But they are at the top of the list.

Only list they will ever be on top of.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But they are at the top of the list.

Only list they will ever be on top of.

Trig, give it a rest. You sent 3 kids to the hospital, not some Madlax dad. Do something positive with your life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But they are at the top of the list.

Only list they will ever be on top of.

Trig, give it a rest. You sent 3 kids to the hospital, not some Madlax dad. Do something positive with your life.

Your obsession with Trig is bizarre. Anything to deflect away from charging your own players to advocate to college coaches on their behalf, I guess.

Don't hate BW just because the path from Madlax to BW is one way only.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But they are at the top of the list.

Only list they will ever be on top of.

Trig, give it a rest. You sent 3 kids to the hospital, not some Madlax dad. Do something positive with your life.

Your obsession with Trig is bizarre. Anything to deflect away from charging your own players to advocate to college coaches on their behalf, I guess.

Don't hate BW just because the path from Madlax to BW is one way only.

This is not true just not true. And you do know a BW 2019 just left to go play with Madlax and Verbaled to play for Penn State.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But they are at the top of the list.

Only list they will ever be on top of.

Trig, give it a rest. You sent 3 kids to the hospital, not some Madlax dad. Do something positive with your life.

Your obsession with Trig is bizarre. Anything to deflect away from charging your own players to advocate to college coaches on their behalf, I guess.

Don't hate BW just because the path from Madlax to BW is one way only.

This is not true just not true. And you do know a BW 2019 just left to go play with Madlax and Verbaled to play for Penn State.

. . . a week later - who should get the credit?

Well talking to them he said he was noticed through his showcases and prospect days. And they left because he wanted to play more not just wait around for Trig to throw something together for a practice.

OK--enough. Trig and Cabell need a cage match to determine supremacy once and for all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK--enough. Trig and Cabell need a cage match to determine supremacy once and for all.

Its not even close he has 3 teams of part time high school players. He gets no credit for anything. Well maybe he teaches the kids how to deal with a real hard A$$. That could be helpful in lift.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well talking to them he said he was noticed through his showcases and prospect days. And they left because he wanted to play more not just wait around for Trig to throw something together for a practice.

Not true. At this point, I guess you really believe this "BW doesn't practice" like since you post it here weekly.

The kid's dad is a nut. He has switched schools, reclassed, and is on his 3rd club. Madlax 2019 is the best 2019 team in this area, so that's why he left. He verballed after being on Madlax for a week. BW gets the credit, but I'm sure Madlax will claim it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well talking to them he said he was noticed through his showcases and prospect days. And they left because he wanted to play more not just wait around for Trig to throw something together for a practice.

Not true. At this point, I guess you really believe this "BW doesn't practice" like since you post it here weekly.

The kid's dad is a nut. He has switched schools, reclassed, and is on his 3rd club. Madlax 2019 is the best 2019 team in this area, so that's why he left. He verballed after being on Madlax for a week. BW gets the credit, but I'm sure Madlax will claim it.

How about the kid get the credit for committing, and not the club? Just a thought. Congrats to the kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well talking to them he said he was noticed through his showcases and prospect days. And they left because he wanted to play more not just wait around for Trig to throw something together for a practice.

Not true. At this point, I guess you really believe this "BW doesn't practice" like since you post it here weekly.

The kid's dad is a nut. He has switched schools, reclassed, and is on his 3rd club. Madlax 2019 is the best 2019 team in this area, so that's why he left. He verballed after being on Madlax for a week. BW gets the credit, but I'm sure Madlax will claim it.

I like how you gave Madlax credit for being the best. And BW does do less then any club in the area they brag about it. Try to sell people on the less is more approach. BW is not a club it is just a tool kids from top high schools use for a place to get a little more field time and the main word here is little more. Just a little question how many days a year do the top D1 college teams play or practice? So do they agree with BWs less is more approach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well talking to them he said he was noticed through his showcases and prospect days. And they left because he wanted to play more not just wait around for Trig to throw something together for a practice.

Not true. At this point, I guess you really believe this "BW doesn't practice" like since you post it here weekly.

The kid's dad is a nut. He has switched schools, reclassed, and is on his 3rd club. Madlax 2019 is the best 2019 team in this area, so that's why he left. He verballed after being on Madlax for a week. BW gets the credit, but I'm sure Madlax will claim it.

How about the kid get the credit for committing, and not the club? Just a thought. Congrats to the kid.

Kid gets credit for being a baller. Ty's Twitter feed gives club credit to Madlax. BW is yesterday's news

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well talking to them he said he was noticed through his showcases and prospect days. And they left because he wanted to play more not just wait around for Trig to throw something together for a practice.

Not true. At this point, I guess you really believe this "BW doesn't practice" like since you post it here weekly.

The kid's dad is a nut. He has switched schools, reclassed, and is on his 3rd club. Madlax 2019 is the best 2019 team in this area, so that's why he left. He verballed after being on Madlax for a week. BW gets the credit, but I'm sure Madlax will claim it.

I like how you gave Madlax credit for being the best. And BW does do less then any club in the area they brag about it. Try to sell people on the less is more approach. BW is not a club it is just a tool kids from top high schools use for a place to get a little more field time and the main word here is little more. Just a little question how many days a year do the top D1 college teams play or practice? So do they agree with BWs less is more approach?

I think it's weird that people are criticizing other families/kids for playing more at Madlax or playing less at Blackwolf. Isn't it good that there are alternatives for the kids to choose? Some kids want to play a lot of tournaments and events, some kids don't. It doesn't seem to affect the number of kids playing in college at all. My kid plays for Blackwolf and loves it; his buddy plays for Madlax and loves it; Awesome!

Just like schools, there are no "One Size Fits All" for lacrosse clubs. Who cares if the coach of some other club is a nut job. Some kids love him, some hate him, and some are indifferent. That's true at every club, even when the coach is not a nut job.

If a club isn't working out for your family - move to another club. There are a lot of great options in the area, whether the overly-judgmental people on this forum believe it or not. If you like your club, enjoy it, even if some anonymous ding dong on Back of the Cage tells you that only "irresponsible" parents would let their kid play for that particular coach.

In truth, only irresponsible people spend time criticizing other people without knowing anything at all about those people's lives.

The only person talking about "less is more" is you, dad.

Cabell continues to collect academy fees even after you make it clear you are leaving the program. Has anyone called him on that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell continues to collect academy fees even after you make it clear you are leaving the program. Has anyone called him on that?

You sign a contract when you join the club. They spread the fees over a year. Would you rather them charge them all in one payment that would fix this problem. I agree its around $1000 more to play for Madlax but you know this going in. My advise is put the fees on a card you can close or have them block a charge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell continues to collect academy fees even after you make it clear you are leaving the program. Has anyone called him on that?

You have to be careful. I know families who gave 6 months notice they were leaving who had their cards charged for another installment after they left and after their agreement ended. I know another one who closed the card, opened up a new one, and somehow were billed for another amount.

If you must play for Madlax, use a disposable gift card or risk getting charged extra after you leave.

Not sure this is a real problem for people who communicate. If you just don't show up anymore you would probably get charged. But if you let them know you are done, you no longer play lax, your kid graduated and is in college, etc., I believe they remove you from the Academy at that time. At least that is what I have heard from Madlax parents who have left. And if they forget to remove you and you get charged, just let them know! My experience with the guys running the various programs (not a comment either way about the owner) has always been positive.

This is 100% spot on. If you go into the store and talk to Garret or Matt they will fix this without of a issue. If you are a chicken $hit and quit in the middle of the night and never show up why would they go out of their way to cancel the charge. Those two are great guys if you talk to them they will take care of this issue and you will get your money back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure this is a real problem for people who communicate. If you just don't show up anymore you would probably get charged. But if you let them know you are done, you no longer play lax, your kid graduated and is in college, etc., I believe they remove you from the Academy at that time. At least that is what I have heard from Madlax parents who have left. And if they forget to remove you and you get charged, just let them know! My experience with the guys running the various programs (not a comment either way about the owner) has always been positive.

LOL. Maybe they have changed recently, but that's not the way they have done it before. The entire Academy thing is a scam. Every club spreads out the payments to help families, but Madlax is the only one that puts you on the hook for 6 months of payment regardless of when you leave.

Well I can say it is that way now.

No, our friends got hassled this spring about leaving and had to threatened to sue to get their charge released. Those two guys are bag men fixing mistakes by the owner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I can say it is that way now.

It's not that way. My son left last fall, I told Cabell and there were no additional charges.

We tried the other clubs, and we think Madlax is the best by far. It is a bit more expensive, but worth it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I can say it is that way now.

It's not that way. My son left last fall, I told Cabell and there were no additional charges.

We tried the other clubs, and we think Madlax is the best by far. It is a bit more expensive, but worth it.

You left Madlax, then tried others, and Madlax is the best by far. LOL. Give me a break. Nobody believes this post.

It could be true did you ask them who else they tried? The talk of some people who try to imply Madlax is not a top option for travel lacrosse is just so clear a smear campaign. We can debate if they are the best option but to imply they are not in the top three overall is just flat out wrong.

How does Madlax roster 50 kids on a team. The 2020 and 2019 both have 50 kids on the roster. Looks like some parents are going to be pissed come tourney time. What a money grab!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax roster 50 kids on a team. The 2020 and 2019 both have 50 kids on the roster. Looks like some parents are going to be pissed come tourney time. What a money grab!

Wrong. Find the Capital and MD/VA pages. Tons of new names on Capital.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It could be true did you ask them who else they tried? The talk of some people who try to imply Madlax is not a top option for travel lacrosse is just so clear a smear campaign. We can debate if they are the best option but to imply they are not in the top three overall is just flat out wrong.

Except nobody is saying that. Of the clubs that draw primarily from the DMV, it's obviously BW, Madlax and VLC are the three best.

Depending on the grade, Crabs and FCA are excellent, but obviously draw mostly beyond the DMV.

Don't be so paranoid. You sound like a Trump surrogate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax roster 50 kids on a team. The 2020 and 2019 both have 50 kids on the roster. Looks like some parents are going to be pissed come tourney time. What a money grab!

You are such a fool they have 50 names because they make two teams out of this list. The kids have had practices every Sunday the last two months. So soon they will be posting a top Capital team and a MD/VA team. If you look at the tournament schedule its the link next to the Roster link you looked at to count the 50 names. You will see where each team will be playing. And if you read the names you will see it has all of the Verbal commits from these teams on the list. They most likely will be missing one of the three tournaments. So to help you with the math each team should have a max of 25 kids but most likely 21 to 23 kids per team. And please observe the quality of the tournaments the top and bottom teams are attending because the bottom team will be playing in tournaments with other clubs top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax roster 50 kids on a team. The 2020 and 2019 both have 50 kids on the roster. Looks like some parents are going to be pissed come tourney time. What a money grab!

You are such a fool they have 50 names because they make two teams out of this list. The kids have had practices every Sunday the last two months. So soon they will be posting a top Capital team and a MD/VA team. If you look at the tournament schedule its the link next to the Roster link you looked at to count the 50 names. You will see where each team will be playing. And if you read the names you will see it has all of the Verbal commits from these teams on the list. They most likely will be missing one of the three tournaments. So to help you with the math each team should have a max of 25 kids but most likely 21 to 23 kids per team. And please observe the quality of the tournaments the top and bottom teams are attending because the bottom team will be playing in tournaments with other clubs top teams.

Looks like for 2020 that list is already posted. Interesting that their mvp for capital this past year is on VA/MD team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are such a fool they have 50 names because they make two teams out of this list. The kids have had practices every Sunday the last two months.

And you are the idiot who thinks this is a novel concept. All the other clubs have been doing this for years. Madlax used to just play weekly games in the fall. They finally wised up that families want practices, not meaningless games. Madlax probably would have kept doing this but realized they were helping NL by continuing to play in their league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are such a fool they have 50 names because they make two teams out of this list. The kids have had practices every Sunday the last two months.

And you are the idiot who thinks this is a novel concept. All the other clubs have been doing this for years. Madlax used to just play weekly games in the fall. They finally wised up that families want practices, not meaningless games. Madlax probably would have kept doing this but realized they were helping NL by continuing to play in their league.

So are you giving Madlax credit and telling people another reason they should play for them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax roster 50 kids on a team. The 2020 and 2019 both have 50 kids on the roster. Looks like some parents are going to be pissed come tourney time. What a money grab!

You are such a fool they have 50 names because they make two teams out of this list. The kids have had practices every Sunday the last two months. So soon they will be posting a top Capital team and a MD/VA team. If you look at the tournament schedule its the link next to the Roster link you looked at to count the 50 names. You will see where each team will be playing. And if you read the names you will see it has all of the Verbal commits from these teams on the list. They most likely will be missing one of the three tournaments. So to help you with the math each team should have a max of 25 kids but most likely 21 to 23 kids per team. And please observe the quality of the tournaments the top and bottom teams are attending because the bottom team will be playing in tournaments with other clubs top teams.

Looks like for 2020 that list is already posted. Interesting that their mvp for capital this past year is on VA/MD team.

All the roster for the Fall are posted under each team tab. And yes you are correct the MVP is on the lower team. This is just another point about Madlax that they put the best players on the field and on the top team.

Madlax also has 2 dads who coach their own sons. Something you see in rec, not clubs. Not exactly what people are paying 2x for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has 2 dads who coach their own sons. Something you see in rec, not clubs. Not exactly what people are paying 2x for.

This guy again one of these two dads is the owner of the club. He has coached top private schools and played college lacrosse at a very high level.Madlax parents want the owner to coach their sons. The other Dad is a dad he has a decent resume but this is a little negative. But he is coaching a younger team that is not in the recruiting world yet. If he is still the coach when they hit the 8th/9th grade time frame your point will be very valid.Until then keep up the vague insults with very little information so they sound worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has 2 dads who coach their own sons. Something you see in rec, not clubs. Not exactly what people are paying 2x for.

Bruce M$$$$$$$

� Madlax Capital 2022 Head Coach 2016-Present
� Varsity Assistant Coach: St. Stephens & St. Agnes School (1991-1992)
� Varsity Head Coach: Centreville High School (1993-1994)
� Assistant Coach/Defensive Coordinator: Marymount University (1994-1998)
� Alexandria Lacrosse Club: Commissioner (2012-2014)
� Alexandria Lacrosse Club: Youth Coach (2007 � 2016)
� NVYLL AAA Champion (2010, 2013, 2014, 2015)
� St. Stephen's 1986
� University of Virginia 1990
This is the second dad coach he is speaking of does anyone want to bash his resume of coaching lacrosse for a 2022 team?

doesnt stay in one spot too long...coincidence...i think NOT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

doesnt stay in one spot too long...coincidence...i think NOT

Well if you want to point that out. He was at the college for 4 years. Guessing he left when his older child was born or got to playing age. Then he was at Alex. lacrosse from 2007 to 2016. And anyone with kids knows you do not get to just coach high school and college lacrosse if it does not involve your children. I am guessing his day job pays the bills.
Or are you trying to say this coach has issues would you like to explain what your problem with him is?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

doesnt stay in one spot too long...coincidence...i think NOT

What a classy response. Guess you felt like you had to say something (not sure why) and decided on something snarky.

I know the coach and my son has played for him for a number of years. He is a good coach (both in practices and games) and a good motivator. He also has a more than full time "day job" and coaches on the side because he enjoys it. Hard to imagine why you would or could find fault with this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has 2 dads who coach their own sons. Something you see in rec, not clubs. Not exactly what people are paying 2x for.

This guy again one of these two dads is the owner of the club. He has coached top private schools and played college lacrosse at a very high level.Madlax parents want the owner to coach their sons.

You forgot to mention that the guy has been fired from every one of those HS jobs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has 2 dads who coach their own sons. Something you see in rec, not clubs. Not exactly what people are paying 2x for.

The other Dad is a dad he has a decent resume but this is a little negative. But he is coaching a younger team that is not in the recruiting world yet. If he is still the coach when they hit the 8th/9th grade time frame your point will be very valid.

When this was pointed out last year that the dad took over the team, you said it was likely a temporary solution and you would be disappointed if it carried over to the following season. Now that it has, you are backtracking and now changing the terms to 2-3 years from now.

The issue is not his qualifications. He is more qualified than most of the Madlax coaches, who are guys a couple years out of college. The issue is a dad coaching his own son. That is not good for anyone.

I've seen him and his staff coaching his son's rec team. He and his assistants (presumably all dads) are abusive and obnoxious to everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has 2 dads who coach their own sons. Something you see in rec, not clubs. Not exactly what people are paying 2x for.

The other Dad is a dad he has a decent resume but this is a little negative. But he is coaching a younger team that is not in the recruiting world yet. If he is still the coach when they hit the 8th/9th grade time frame your point will be very valid.

When this was pointed out last year that the dad took over the team, you said it was likely a temporary solution and you would be disappointed if it carried over to the following season. Now that it has, you are backtracking and now changing the terms to 2-3 years from now.

The issue is not his qualifications. He is more qualified than most of the Madlax coaches, who are guys a couple years out of college. The issue is a dad coaching his own son. That is not good for anyone.

I've seen him and his staff coaching his son's rec team. He and his assistants (presumably all dads) are abusive and obnoxious to everyone.

Well this is a real point. If true. I have a older son so I do not know his personality in detail. But I do know that lots of coaches do not come off in a good light when viewed from the sidelines. But when you talk to the parents/kids who play for these coaches they tell you he is a great guy and the kids love playing for them. Point being unless you have real complaints from kids who played or play for this coach your point will not carry weight. But you are correct I am not 100% happy that Madlax has a Dad coaching his son. But I will not kill them for it unless I hear he is playing his son over better kids. I will bet my house that the owner will never play one of his sons over a kid that is a better player. Anyone who knows him knows that he is about winning and would bench his own kid or kids any day to win a ball game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

doesnt stay in one spot too long...coincidence...i think NOT

Keep it real, he kept those jobs for longer than 3 months, unlike Trig, owner of BW, who was fired for denying water breaks to his team, which resulted in 3 kids going to the hospital in ambulances.

Bruce also was SSSA assistant coach, isn't that the highest hs position Trig attained? Not counting his off-season head coaching jobs. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has 2 dads who coach their own sons. Something you see in rec, not clubs. Not exactly what people are paying 2x for.

The other Dad is a dad he has a decent resume but this is a little negative. But he is coaching a younger team that is not in the recruiting world yet. If he is still the coach when they hit the 8th/9th grade time frame your point will be very valid.

When this was pointed out last year that the dad took over the team, you said it was likely a temporary solution and you would be disappointed if it carried over to the following season. Now that it has, you are backtracking and now changing the terms to 2-3 years from now.

The issue is not his qualifications. He is more qualified than most of the Madlax coaches, who are guys a couple years out of college. The issue is a dad coaching his own son. That is not good for anyone.

I've seen him and his staff coaching his son's rec team. He and his assistants (presumably all dads) are abusive and obnoxious to everyone.

This is pathetic. The MOTIVATED poster trolling these boards is clearly trying to defame Madlax, the best club, by far, in the DMV.

Ask yourself when you read these posts, "who could be so MOTIVATED?"

I am guessing it is Trig, who has always trolled here during tryouts, and is now trying to add pages to get further away from this unbelievable deed: DENYING KIDS WATER, RESULTING IN 3 AMBULANCES FOR 3 DIFFERENT KIDS, and Trig getting fired 3 months on the SJC job.

Trig- you need help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

doesnt stay in one spot too long...coincidence...i think NOT

Keep it real, he kept those jobs for longer than 3 months, unlike Trig, owner of BW, who was fired for denying water breaks to his team, which resulted in 3 kids going to the hospital in ambulances.

You know the Madlax guy was canned from the last job because he threatened to punish his HS kids if they didn't play for Madlax, right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

doesnt stay in one spot too long...coincidence...i think NOT

Keep it real, he kept those jobs for longer than 3 months, unlike Trig, owner of BW, who was fired for denying water breaks to his team, which resulted in 3 kids going to the hospital in ambulances.

You know the Madlax guy was canned from the last job because he threatened to punish his HS kids if they didn't play for Madlax, right?

Well this works for Thrump, "that was a long time ago"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

doesnt stay in one spot too long...coincidence...i think NOT

Keep it real, he kept those jobs for longer than 3 months, unlike Trig, owner of BW, who was fired for denying water breaks to his team, which resulted in 3 kids going to the hospital in ambulances.

You know the Madlax guy was canned from the last job because he threatened to punish his HS kids if they didn't play for Madlax, right?

Well this works for Thrump, "that was a long time ago"

You sent kids to the hospital, and your response is that someone threatened kids?

Friendly advice: Go with the guys in white jackets carrying butterfly nets. Better than the guys with badges and guns surely to follow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

doesnt stay in one spot too long...coincidence...i think NOT

Keep it real, he kept those jobs for longer than 3 months, unlike Trig, owner of BW, who was fired for denying water breaks to his team, which resulted in 3 kids going to the hospital in ambulances.

Bruce also was SSSA assistant coach, isn't that the highest hs position Trig attained? Not counting his off-season head coaching jobs. LOL

Outside of his club, has Trig ever been a head coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has 2 dads who coach their own sons. Something you see in rec, not clubs. Not exactly what people are paying 2x for.

Bruce M$$$$$$$

� Madlax Capital 2022 Head Coach 2016-Present
� Varsity Assistant Coach: St. Stephens & St. Agnes School (1991-1992)
� Varsity Head Coach: Centreville High School (1993-1994)
� Assistant Coach/Defensive Coordinator: Marymount University (1994-1998)
� Alexandria Lacrosse Club: Commissioner (2012-2014)
� Alexandria Lacrosse Club: Youth Coach (2007 � 2016)
� NVYLL AAA Champion (2010, 2013, 2014, 2015)
� St. Stephen's 1986
� University of Virginia 1990
This is the second dad coach he is speaking of does anyone want to bash his resume of coaching lacrosse for a 2022 team?

Looks pretty good to me! You forgot that he has a law degree and is a practicing attorney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has 2 dads who coach their own sons. Something you see in rec, not clubs. Not exactly what people are paying 2x for.

Bruce M$$$$$$$

� Madlax Capital 2022 Head Coach 2016-Present
� Varsity Assistant Coach: St. Stephens & St. Agnes School (1991-1992)
� Varsity Head Coach: Centreville High School (1993-1994)
� Assistant Coach/Defensive Coordinator: Marymount University (1994-1998)
� Alexandria Lacrosse Club: Commissioner (2012-2014)
� Alexandria Lacrosse Club: Youth Coach (2007 � 2016)
� NVYLL AAA Champion (2010, 2013, 2014, 2015)
� St. Stephen's 1986
� University of Virginia 1990
This is the second dad coach he is speaking of does anyone want to bash his resume of coaching lacrosse for a 2022 team?

Looks pretty good to me! You forgot that he has a law degree and is a practicing attorney.

Which is completely relevant to being a good lacrosse coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has 2 dads who coach their own sons. Something you see in rec, not clubs. Not exactly what people are paying 2x for.

Bruce M$$$$$$$

� Madlax Capital 2022 Head Coach 2016-Present
� Varsity Assistant Coach: St. Stephens & St. Agnes School (1991-1992)
� Varsity Head Coach: Centreville High School (1993-1994)
� Assistant Coach/Defensive Coordinator: Marymount University (1994-1998)
� Alexandria Lacrosse Club: Commissioner (2012-2014)
� Alexandria Lacrosse Club: Youth Coach (2007 � 2016)
� NVYLL AAA Champion (2010, 2013, 2014, 2015)
� St. Stephen's 1986
� University of Virginia 1990
This is the second dad coach he is speaking of does anyone want to bash his resume of coaching lacrosse for a 2022 team?

Looks pretty good to me! You forgot that he has a law degree and is a practicing attorney.

Which is completely relevant to being a good lacrosse coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

doesnt stay in one spot too long...coincidence...i think NOT

Keep it real, he kept those jobs for longer than 3 months, unlike Trig, owner of BW, who was fired for denying water breaks to his team, which resulted in 3 kids going to the hospital in ambulances.

You know the Madlax guy was canned from the last job because he threatened to punish his HS kids if they didn't play for Madlax, right?

Well this works for Thrump, "that was a long time ago"

You sent kids to the hospital, and your response is that someone threatened kids?

Friendly advice: Go with the guys in white jackets carrying butterfly nets. Better than the guys with badges and guns surely to follow.

So when your son's HS coach tells him he better quit Madlax in order to play for a different club that is in line with his HS, I'm sure you won't be upset.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has 2 dads who coach their own sons. Something you see in rec, not clubs. Not exactly what people are paying 2x for.

Bruce M$$$$$$$

� Madlax Capital 2022 Head Coach 2016-Present
� Varsity Assistant Coach: St. Stephens & St. Agnes School (1991-1992)
� Varsity Head Coach: Centreville High School (1993-1994)
� Assistant Coach/Defensive Coordinator: Marymount University (1994-1998)
� Alexandria Lacrosse Club: Commissioner (2012-2014)
� Alexandria Lacrosse Club: Youth Coach (2007 � 2016)
� NVYLL AAA Champion (2010, 2013, 2014, 2015)
� St. Stephen's 1986
� University of Virginia 1990
This is the second dad coach he is speaking of does anyone want to bash his resume of coaching lacrosse for a 2022 team?

Looks pretty good to me! You forgot that he has a law degree and is a practicing attorney.

Which is completely relevant to being a good lacrosse coach.

Ah, but someone that I would like to have coach my kids, a role model.

He probably knows better than to deny them water too. He understands words like responsibility and liability.

Now that we have examined the resume of an outstanding youth coach, how about posting Trig's for comparison?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has 2 dads who coach their own sons. Something you see in rec, not clubs. Not exactly what people are paying 2x for.

Bruce M$$$$$$$

� Madlax Capital 2022 Head Coach 2016-Present
� Varsity Assistant Coach: St. Stephens & St. Agnes School (1991-1992)
� Varsity Head Coach: Centreville High School (1993-1994)
� Assistant Coach/Defensive Coordinator: Marymount University (1994-1998)
� Alexandria Lacrosse Club: Commissioner (2012-2014)
� Alexandria Lacrosse Club: Youth Coach (2007 � 2016)
� NVYLL AAA Champion (2010, 2013, 2014, 2015)
� St. Stephen's 1986
� University of Virginia 1990
This is the second dad coach he is speaking of does anyone want to bash his resume of coaching lacrosse for a 2022 team?

Looks pretty good to me! You forgot that he has a law degree and is a practicing attorney.

Which is completely relevant to being a good lacrosse coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

doesnt stay in one spot too long...coincidence...i think NOT

Keep it real, he kept those jobs for longer than 3 months, unlike Trig, owner of BW, who was fired for denying water breaks to his team, which resulted in 3 kids going to the hospital in ambulances.

You know the Madlax guy was canned from the last job because he threatened to punish his HS kids if they didn't play for Madlax, right?

Well this works for Thrump, "that was a long time ago"

You sent kids to the hospital, and your response is that someone threatened kids?

Friendly advice: Go with the guys in white jackets carrying butterfly nets. Better than the guys with badges and guns surely to follow.

So when your son's HS coach tells him he better quit Madlax in order to play for a different club that is in line with his HS, I'm sure you won't be upset.

This happens all the time when a club owner becomes a high school coach. This does not work well. Because the pressure is spoken or implied. This happens even more with the B and C level clubs most of these clubs are really locked into a high school or two.

It definitely should not be allowed. Most coaches are not idiots and just imply the pressure that forces kids to switch to their coach's club.

Some owners are absolute idiots who tell their players via email that they better play for them or else it is going to affect their HS playing time. Actually, owner, not owners.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax also has 2 dads who coach their own sons. Something you see in rec, not clubs. Not exactly what people are paying 2x for.

Bruce M$$$$$$$

 Madlax Capital 2022 Head Coach 2016-Present
 Varsity Assistant Coach: St. Stephens & St. Agnes School (1991-1992)
 Varsity Head Coach: Centreville High School (1993-1994)
 Assistant Coach/Defensive Coordinator: Marymount University (1994-1998)
 Alexandria Lacrosse Club: Commissioner (2012-2014)
 Alexandria Lacrosse Club: Youth Coach (2007  2016)
 NVYLL AAA Champion (2010, 2013, 2014, 2015)
 St. Stephen's 1986
 University of Virginia 1990
This is the second dad coach he is speaking of does anyone want to bash his resume of coaching lacrosse for a 2022 team?

Looks pretty good to me! You forgot that he has a law degree and is a practicing attorney.

Which is completely relevant to being a good lacrosse coach.

means he can argue calls better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It definitely should not be allowed. Most coaches are not idiots and just imply the pressure that forces kids to switch to their coach's club.

Some owners are absolute idiots who tell their players via email that they better play for them or else it is going to affect their HS playing time. Actually, owner, not owners.

Believe it or not, some club owners are so stupid that they deny kids water.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It definitely should not be allowed. Most coaches are not idiots and just imply the pressure that forces kids to switch to their coach's club.

Some owners are absolute idiots who tell their players via email that they better play for them or else it is going to affect their HS playing time. Actually, owner, not owners.

Believe it or not, some club owners are so stupid that they deny kids water.

Only if you're as dumb as Forrest Gump like you and your kid are.

GUUUUMP!!! WHY DID YOU NOT DRINK WATER??

uhm..ohh...duhhh...beeecuuzzz you din't tell ma too coach!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It definitely should not be allowed. Most coaches are not idiots and just imply the pressure that forces kids to switch to their coach's club.

Some owners are absolute idiots who tell their players via email that they better play for them or else it is going to affect their HS playing time. Actually, owner, not owners.

Believe it or not, some club owners are so stupid that they deny kids water.

Only if you're as dumb as Forrest Gump like you and your kid are.

GUUUUMP!!! WHY DID YOU NOT DRINK WATER??

uhm..ohh...duhhh...beeecuuzzz you din't tell ma too coach!!

Ah if you raised a respectful child who listens to his coach he would not just leave a drill to go get water! Correct. So you can say what you want but you crazy BW boy got [lacrosse] canned for his over the top act.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It definitely should not be allowed. Most coaches are not idiots and just imply the pressure that forces kids to switch to their coach's club.

Some owners are absolute idiots who tell their players via email that they better play for them or else it is going to affect their HS playing time. Actually, owner, not owners.

Believe it or not, some club owners are so stupid that they deny kids water.

Only if you're as dumb as Forrest Gump like you and your kid are.

GUUUUMP!!! WHY DID YOU NOT DRINK WATER??

uhm..ohh...duhhh...beeecuuzzz you din't tell ma too coach!!

Ah if you raised a respectful child who listens to his coach he would not just leave a drill to go get water! Correct. So you can say what you want but you crazy BW boy got [lacrosse] canned for his over the top act.

Hello Sir,
If you are going to fix my curse words can you please add the R to my your so it does not say "you crazy BW boy"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It definitely should not be allowed. Most coaches are not idiots and just imply the pressure that forces kids to switch to their coach's club.

Some owners are absolute idiots who tell their players via email that they better play for them or else it is going to affect their HS playing time. Actually, owner, not owners.

Believe it or not, some club owners are so stupid that they deny kids water.

Only if you're as dumb as Forrest Gump like you and your kid are.

GUUUUMP!!! WHY DID YOU NOT DRINK WATER??

uhm..ohh...duhhh...beeecuuzzz you din't tell ma too coach!!

Ah if you raised a respectful child who listens to his coach he would not just leave a drill to go get water! Correct. So you can say what you want but you crazy BW boy got [lacrosse] canned for his over the top act.

Yeah, because every kid is locked into a perpetual drill for two hours straight at BW.

You're a walking, talking dildo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It definitely should not be allowed. Most coaches are not idiots and just imply the pressure that forces kids to switch to their coach's club.

Some owners are absolute idiots who tell their players via email that they better play for them or else it is going to affect their HS playing time. Actually, owner, not owners.

Believe it or not, some club owners are so stupid that they deny kids water.

Only if you're as dumb as Forrest Gump like you and your kid are.

GUUUUMP!!! WHY DID YOU NOT DRINK WATER??

uhm..ohh...duhhh...beeecuuzzz you din't tell ma too coach!!

Ah if you raised a respectful child who listens to his coach he would not just leave a drill to go get water! Correct. So you can say what you want but you crazy BW boy got [lacrosse] canned for his over the top act.

Yeah, because every kid is locked into a perpetual drill for two hours straight at BW.

You're a walking, talking dildo.

Well if all kids are soft and dumb why are their not 3 kids dropping at all the other teams fall workouts Stupid.

Believe it or not, some club owners are so stupid that they deny kids water. [/quote]

Only if you're as dumb as Forrest Gump like you and your kid are.

GUUUUMP!!! WHY DID YOU NOT DRINK WATER??

uhm..ohh...duhhh...beeecuuzzz you din't tell ma too coach!! [/quote]
Ah if you raised a respectful child who listens to his coach he would not just leave a drill to go get water! Correct. So you can say what you want but you crazy BW boy got [lacrosse] canned for his over the top act. [/quote]

Yeah, because every kid is locked into a perpetual drill for two hours straight at BW.

You're a walking, talking dildo. [/quote]

Nice and classy. Not so sure who the dildo is here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It definitely should not be allowed. Most coaches are not idiots and just imply the pressure that forces kids to switch to their coach's club.

Some owners are absolute idiots who tell their players via email that they better play for them or else it is going to affect their HS playing time. Actually, owner, not owners.

Believe it or not, some club owners are so stupid that they deny kids water.

Only if you're as dumb as Forrest Gump like you and your kid are.

GUUUUMP!!! WHY DID YOU NOT DRINK WATER??

uhm..ohh...duhhh...beeecuuzzz you din't tell ma too coach!!

Ah if you raised a respectful child who listens to his coach he would not just leave a drill to go get water! Correct. So you can say what you want but you crazy BW boy got [lacrosse] canned for his over the top act.

Yeah, because every kid is locked into a perpetual drill for two hours straight at BW.

You're a walking, talking dildo.

Well if all kids are soft and dumb why are their not 3 kids dropping at all the other teams fall workouts Stupid.

You just made my point. It's not ALL, just YOURS dildo. Just because your offspring doesn't have the brains and or fortitude for something doesn't make it bad. People wash out of things for mental and physical reasons all the time. Get over it, get in where you fit in (a very low IQ, rec level style club where you stand around a lot) and move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It definitely should not be allowed. Most coaches are not idiots and just imply the pressure that forces kids to switch to their coach's club.

Some owners are absolute idiots who tell their players via email that they better play for them or else it is going to affect their HS playing time. Actually, owner, not owners.

Believe it or not, some club owners are so stupid that they deny kids water.

You sound like a Trump surrogate. Instead of focusing on your own owner's terrible behavior, you deflect by talking about Trig.

Both guys are scum. Talking about Trig's scummy behavior doesn't take away from the way the madlax guy acts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It definitely should not be allowed. Most coaches are not idiots and just imply the pressure that forces kids to switch to their coach's club.

Some owners are absolute idiots who tell their players via email that they better play for them or else it is going to affect their HS playing time. Actually, owner, not owners.

Believe it or not, some club owners are so stupid that they deny kids water.

Only if you're as dumb as Forrest Gump like you and your kid are.

GUUUUMP!!! WHY DID YOU NOT DRINK WATER??

uhm..ohh...duhhh...beeecuuzzz you din't tell ma too coach!!

Ah if you raised a respectful child who listens to his coach he would not just leave a drill to go get water! Correct. So you can say what you want but you crazy BW boy got [lacrosse] canned for his over the top act.

Yeah, because every kid is locked into a perpetual drill for two hours straight at BW.

You're a walking, talking dildo.

Well if all kids are soft and dumb why are their not 3 kids dropping at all the other teams fall workouts Stupid.

You might have a point. If it was 1 kid.

It was 3, sent away in 3 separate ambulances.

Better questions to ask: "where is DC child protective services or the DC police?" and "why is this man allowed to coach children?"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It definitely should not be allowed. Most coaches are not idiots and just imply the pressure that forces kids to switch to their coach's club.

Some owners are absolute idiots who tell their players via email that they better play for them or else it is going to affect their HS playing time. Actually, owner, not owners.

Believe it or not, some club owners are so stupid that they deny kids water.

Only if you're as dumb as Forrest Gump like you and your kid are.

GUUUUMP!!! WHY DID YOU NOT DRINK WATER??

uhm..ohh...duhhh...beeecuuzzz you din't tell ma too coach!!

Ah if you raised a respectful child who listens to his coach he would not just leave a drill to go get water! Correct. So you can say what you want but you crazy BW boy got [lacrosse] canned for his over the top act.

Yeah, because every kid is locked into a perpetual drill for two hours straight at BW.

You're a walking, talking dildo.

And you are a real piece of $&!+.

Blame the HS aged kid? Where are the adults?

The upperclassmen? Many who knew better had quit by this time.

It got the responsible party, Trig, fired from his first, only and last head coaching job. After 2 months. During the offseason.

Saint Stephens powers that be look very smart for NOT hiring this clown. Bobby Horsey is laughing his [lacrosse] off at SJC.

And you look very dumb for continuing to defend Trig. Or should I say Trig, you look very dumb?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It definitely should not be allowed. Most coaches are not idiots and just imply the pressure that forces kids to switch to their coach's club.

Some owners are absolute idiots who tell their players via email that they better play for them or else it is going to affect their HS playing time. Actually, owner, not owners.

Believe it or not, some club owners are so stupid that they deny kids water.

You sound like a Trump surrogate. Instead of focusing on your own owner's terrible behavior, you deflect by talking about Trig.

Both guys are scum. Talking about Trig's scummy behavior doesn't take away from the way the madlax guy acts.

Our owner is harmless. People crack me up talking about him and money. You pay 18k to 35k for middle school and you cry about 1k more for travel lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It definitely should not be allowed. Most coaches are not idiots and just imply the pressure that forces kids to switch to their coach's club.

Some owners are absolute idiots who tell their players via email that they better play for them or else it is going to affect their HS playing time. Actually, owner, not owners.

Believe it or not, some club owners are so stupid that they deny kids water.

You sound like a Trump surrogate. Instead of focusing on your own owner's terrible behavior, you deflect by talking about Trig.

Both guys are scum. Talking about Trig's scummy behavior doesn't take away from the way the madlax guy acts.

Our owner is harmless. People crack me up talking about him and money. You pay 18k to 35k for middle school and you cry about 1k more for travel lacrosse.

You are an enabler. Who posts at 6:53 AM. Guess you like to fire up the Internet before milking the cows.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It definitely should not be allowed. Most coaches are not idiots and just imply the pressure that forces kids to switch to their coach's club.

Some owners are absolute idiots who tell their players via email that they better play for them or else it is going to affect their HS playing time. Actually, owner, not owners.

Believe it or not, some club owners are so stupid that they deny kids water.

Only if you're as dumb as Forrest Gump like you and your kid are.

GUUUUMP!!! WHY DID YOU NOT DRINK WATER??

uhm..ohh...duhhh...beeecuuzzz you din't tell ma too coach!!

Ah if you raised a respectful child who listens to his coach he would not just leave a drill to go get water! Correct. So you can say what you want but you crazy BW boy got [lacrosse] canned for his over the top act.

Yeah, because every kid is locked into a perpetual drill for two hours straight at BW.

You're a walking, talking dildo.

Well if all kids are soft and dumb why are their not 3 kids dropping at all the other teams fall workouts Stupid.

This is a valid question (without the "stupid"). We should be wondering whether at this particular day/practice something else was in play. If the dehydration is all the coach's doing, wouldn't it be commonplace at all his practices? Something tells me that the boys were being taught a lesson for being unprepared, or behaving badly/illegally. You can argue that the coach could have made his point without taking it so far, but I think there is something else that the boys did or didn't do that is not being discussed. The situation just doesn't make sense.
The timing seems very close to when one team member was expelled from the school. Did the behavior surrounding that disciplinary action play into the issue at practice, or in the coach's firing (or resigning, whichever is true)? Were other players involved in whatever led to the expulsion?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a valid question (without the "stupid"). We should be wondering whether at this particular day/practice something else was in play. If the dehydration is all the coach's doing, wouldn't it be commonplace at all his practices? Something tells me that the boys were being taught a lesson for being unprepared, or behaving badly/illegally. You can argue that the coach could have made his point without taking it so far, but I think there is something else that the boys did or didn't do that is not being discussed. The situation just doesn't make sense.
The timing seems very close to when one team member was expelled from the school. Did the behavior surrounding that disciplinary action play into the issue at practice, or in the coach's firing (or resigning, whichever is true)? Were other players involved in whatever led to the expulsion?

You guys who love and hate Trig are weirdos. Both of you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a valid question (without the "stupid"). We should be wondering whether at this particular day/practice something else was in play. If the dehydration is all the coach's doing, wouldn't it be commonplace at all his practices? Something tells me that the boys were being taught a lesson for being unprepared, or behaving badly/illegally. You can argue that the coach could have made his point without taking it so far, but I think there is something else that the boys did or didn't do that is not being discussed. The situation just doesn't make sense.
The timing seems very close to when one team member was expelled from the school. Did the behavior surrounding that disciplinary action play into the issue at practice, or in the coach's firing (or resigning, whichever is true)? Were other players involved in whatever led to the expulsion?

You guys who love and hate Trig are weirdos. Both of you.

You guys who post in the third person are psycho. One of you

Still following this blame the kid?

Maybe you have a point if only 1 kid had to be taken away in an ambulance.

It was 3. It took 3 ambulances for Trig to decide he had made his point?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a valid question (without the "stupid"). We should be wondering whether at this particular day/practice something else was in play. If the dehydration is all the coach's doing, wouldn't it be commonplace at all his practices? Something tells me that the boys were being taught a lesson for being unprepared, or behaving badly/illegally. You can argue that the coach could have made his point without taking it so far, but I think there is something else that the boys did or didn't do that is not being discussed. The situation just doesn't make sense.
The timing seems very close to when one team member was expelled from the school. Did the behavior surrounding that disciplinary action play into the issue at practice, or in the coach's firing (or resigning, whichever is true)? Were other players involved in whatever led to the expulsion?

You guys who love and hate Trig are weirdos. Both of you.

You guys who post in the third person are psycho. One of you

Nobody is posting in the 3rd person.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And please observe the quality of the tournaments the top and bottom teams are attending because the bottom team will be playing in tournaments with other clubs top teams.

Top tournaments? You mean like Halloween Havoc? LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And please observe the quality of the tournaments the top and bottom teams are attending because the bottom team will be playing in tournaments with other clubs top teams.

Top tournaments? You mean like Halloween Havoc? LOL.

Well Einstein, which tournaments do you consider top tournaments??? Come on, we are waiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And please observe the quality of the tournaments the top and bottom teams are attending because the bottom team will be playing in tournaments with other clubs top teams.

Top tournaments? You mean like Halloween Havoc? LOL.

The quality of tournaments Madlax enters its second team in are more then on Par with these lower level want a be clubs top teams. You can find other things to bash this club but as a whole you can not bash the level of play they afford the teams to play in. The plat form they place the top teams is clearly elite. The second teams are also placed in tournaments that are prefect for them. The high school second teams will be playing in front of 90 to 120 college coaches after the their three tournaments are over. Can any of the B or C level clubs in NOVA say this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It definitely should not be allowed. Most coaches are not idiots and just imply the pressure that forces kids to switch to their coach's club.

Some owners are absolute idiots who tell their players via email that they better play for them or else it is going to affect their HS playing time. Actually, owner, not owners.

Believe it or not, some club owners are so stupid that they deny kids water.

You sound like a Trump surrogate. Instead of focusing on your own owner's terrible behavior, you deflect by talking about Trig.

Both guys are scum. Talking about Trig's scummy behavior doesn't take away from the way the madlax guy acts.

Our owner is harmless. People crack me up talking about him and money. You pay 18k to 35k for middle school and you cry about 1k more for travel lacrosse.

You are an enabler. Who posts at 6:53 AM. Guess you like to fire up the Internet before milking the cows.

I am a enabler because how because I pay for something and it more then deliverers what I am paying for. At 6:53 I have been at work for a hour and half already. See I work hard so I do not have to BIt$H about 1k a year more for my sons travel lacrosse. Its travel sports they are all a money pit. Keep putting your sons on avg to crappy teams and saving 1k a year. As you drive away in your 80k car and pick them up from a 30k a year middle school.

Madlax may be competing in the premier tournaments but they're gonna get spanked, for sure with the Madlax 2020 Capital team. Based on a scrimmage with NL2020 yesterday Madlax looks very weak. Must have lost several of their better players to other programs like BW. Madlax is going to have to change their marketing claiming to be the best program in the DMV, as well as the Cabell lovers on this forum. 2018 & 2019 may be solid but the younger ranks look bad. Yeah, its not all about winning but if you're on a crappy team its hard to get looks as well has hard to justify the cost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax may be competing in the premier tournaments but they're gonna get spanked, for sure with the Madlax 2020 Capital team. Based on a scrimmage with NL2020 yesterday Madlax looks very weak. Must have lost several of their better players to other programs like BW. Madlax is going to have to change their marketing claiming to be the best program in the DMV, as well as the Cabell lovers on this forum. 2018 & 2019 may be solid but the younger ranks look bad. Yeah, its not all about winning but if you're on a crappy team its hard to get looks as well has hard to justify the cost.

The 2020 is what it is. But Madlax 2022 and 2024 are really good teams. The travel world in the DMV is a fickle beast. Madlax has been doing it at a high level for 20 years. The Next level 2020 is a great team. But what is Next levels 2021,22,23,24 teams look like. And how good are their 2019,18,17 teams. There will always be groups of top players that stick together and pick a team this can change the balance of the club rankings. But a club like Madlax will always be a rock for the great players out of the in crowd to play high level lacrosse. And as for them winning or losing we have proven that is not that important when you get to the high school teams

What happened in the 2020 scrimmage with NL yesterday/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened in the 2020 scrimmage with NL yesterday/

Madlax Capital 2020 got a beat down by NL2020. Wasn't even close to the final score NL 12- ML 3. Madlax will be in for a real shocker when the play in the NLF next weekend. Madlax must have lost some key players as they were at least competitive last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened in the 2020 scrimmage with NL yesterday/

Madlax Capital 2020 got a beat down by NL2020. Wasn't even close to the final score NL 12- ML 3. Madlax will be in for a real shocker when the play in the NLF next weekend. Madlax must have lost some key players as they were at least competitive last year.

Hello tell me again how much of a shock they will have playing in front of all the college coaches. They are 14 and 15 years old you really think they will care if they lost 1 or 3 games on a fall Sunday. And tell me again how the Maryland coach who will be there to see my son play care about the score of the games. He plays D pole the worse they are doing the better and more shots he has to be seen play well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened in the 2020 scrimmage with NL yesterday/

Madlax Capital 2020 got a beat down by NL2020. Wasn't even close to the final score NL 12- ML 3. Madlax will be in for a real shocker when the play in the NLF next weekend. Madlax must have lost some key players as they were at least competitive last year.

Hello tell me again how much of a shock they will have playing in front of all the college coaches. They are 14 and 15 years old you really think they will care if they lost 1 or 3 games on a fall Sunday. And tell me again how the Maryland coach who will be there to see my son play care about the score of the games. He plays D pole the worse they are doing the better and more shots he has to be seen play well.

When you're team stinks and the score is 10-0 against stronger teams than NL I'm sure your D-pole boy will impress the college coaches. Guess its better than being on attack and not seeing the ball. NLF does have some strong teams that will smoke Madlax. Losing 1 or 3 games on Sundays is more like an indication on how prepared a team will be to compete in a tournament that claims to have the top 12 2020 teams in the country. If Sunday was a trial run I don't think anyone was impressed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened in the 2020 scrimmage with NL yesterday/

Madlax Capital 2020 got a beat down by NL2020. Wasn't even close to the final score NL 12- ML 3. Madlax will be in for a real shocker when the play in the NLF next weekend. Madlax must have lost some key players as they were at least competitive last year.

Ouch. I thought the Episcopal holdbacks were supposed to be an upgrade for the 2020 team? Maybe they'll let last season's MVP back on Capital to stop the bleeding???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And please observe the quality of the tournaments the top and bottom teams are attending because the bottom team will be playing in tournaments with other clubs top teams.

Top tournaments? You mean like Halloween Havoc? LOL.

The quality of tournaments Madlax enters its second team in are more then on Par with these lower level want a be clubs top teams. You can find other things to bash this club but as a whole you can not bash the level of play they afford the teams to play in. The plat form they place the top teams is clearly elite. The second teams are also placed in tournaments that are prefect for them. The high school second teams will be playing in front of 90 to 120 college coaches after the their three tournaments are over. Can any of the B or C level clubs in NOVA say this.

That wasn't the point. The previous guy - the Madlax apologist - was saying that Madlax's B teams were in TOP TIER tournaments. I guess he is living in a fantasy world if he thinks Halloween Havoc (wherever that was played) is a top tournament.

LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And please observe the quality of the tournaments the top and bottom teams are attending because the bottom team will be playing in tournaments with other clubs top teams.

Top tournaments? You mean like Halloween Havoc? LOL.

The quality of tournaments Madlax enters its second team in are more then on Par with these lower level want a be clubs top teams. You can find other things to bash this club but as a whole you can not bash the level of play they afford the teams to play in. The plat form they place the top teams is clearly elite. The second teams are also placed in tournaments that are prefect for them. The high school second teams will be playing in front of 90 to 120 college coaches after the their three tournaments are over. Can any of the B or C level clubs in NOVA say this.

That wasn't the point. The previous guy - the Madlax apologist - was saying that Madlax's B teams were in TOP TIER tournaments. I guess he is living in a fantasy world if he thinks Halloween Havoc (wherever that was played) is a top tournament.

LOL.

Fact check: Halloween Havoc tourny is at Six Flags

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And please observe the quality of the tournaments the top and bottom teams are attending because the bottom team will be playing in tournaments with other clubs top teams.

Top tournaments? You mean like Halloween Havoc? LOL.

The quality of tournaments Madlax enters its second team in are more then on Par with these lower level want a be clubs top teams. You can find other things to bash this club but as a whole you can not bash the level of play they afford the teams to play in. The plat form they place the top teams is clearly elite. The second teams are also placed in tournaments that are prefect for them. The high school second teams will be playing in front of 90 to 120 college coaches after the their three tournaments are over. Can any of the B or C level clubs in NOVA say this.

That wasn't the point. The previous guy - the Madlax apologist - was saying that Madlax's B teams were in TOP TIER tournaments. I guess he is living in a fantasy world if he thinks Halloween Havoc (wherever that was played) is a top tournament.

LOL.

The point is Madlax second teams play in the same or way better tournaments then other clubs that call them selves A level clubs. This is a fact if you want to take the time to prove me wrong pick 10 DMV clubs and put all 10 of these clubs fall or summer tournament schedules in one place. Then add Madlaxs top team and second teams list to the list of 10 other clubs. Do not put the name of the club with the list of each teams tournaments. Then rank the lists of tournaments and I bet the Madlax second teams list will not be 12th It would be somewhere between 8 and 10.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And please observe the quality of the tournaments the top and bottom teams are attending because the bottom team will be playing in tournaments with other clubs top teams.

Top tournaments? You mean like Halloween Havoc? LOL.

The quality of tournaments Madlax enters its second team in are more then on Par with these lower level want a be clubs top teams. You can find other things to bash this club but as a whole you can not bash the level of play they afford the teams to play in. The plat form they place the top teams is clearly elite. The second teams are also placed in tournaments that are prefect for them. The high school second teams will be playing in front of 90 to 120 college coaches after the their three tournaments are over. Can any of the B or C level clubs in NOVA say this.

That wasn't the point. The previous guy - the Madlax apologist - was saying that Madlax's B teams were in TOP TIER tournaments. I guess he is living in a fantasy world if he thinks Halloween Havoc (wherever that was played) is a top tournament.

LOL.

The point is Madlax second teams play in the same or way better tournaments then other clubs that call them selves A level clubs. This is a fact if you want to take the time to prove me wrong pick 10 DMV clubs and put all 10 of these clubs fall or summer tournament schedules in one place. Then add Madlaxs top team and second teams list to the list of 10 other clubs. Do not put the name of the club with the list of each teams tournaments. Then rank the lists of tournaments and I bet the Madlax second teams list will not be 12th It would be somewhere between 8 and 10.

I will do no such thing. Because I check this board every few days during my lunch hour, and have no time to look at every single boys lacrosse club.

If you don't have a problem putting money in that guy's pockets, that's your decision. Stop telling people what to do with their dollars.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And please observe the quality of the tournaments the top and bottom teams are attending because the bottom team will be playing in tournaments with other clubs top teams.

Top tournaments? You mean like Halloween Havoc? LOL.

The quality of tournaments Madlax enters its second team in are more then on Par with these lower level want a be clubs top teams. You can find other things to bash this club but as a whole you can not bash the level of play they afford the teams to play in. The plat form they place the top teams is clearly elite. The second teams are also placed in tournaments that are prefect for them. The high school second teams will be playing in front of 90 to 120 college coaches after the their three tournaments are over. Can any of the B or C level clubs in NOVA say this.

That wasn't the point. The previous guy - the Madlax apologist - was saying that Madlax's B teams were in TOP TIER tournaments. I guess he is living in a fantasy world if he thinks Halloween Havoc (wherever that was played) is a top tournament.

LOL.

The point is Madlax second teams play in the same or way better tournaments then other clubs that call them selves A level clubs. This is a fact if you want to take the time to prove me wrong pick 10 DMV clubs and put all 10 of these clubs fall or summer tournament schedules in one place. Then add Madlaxs top team and second teams list to the list of 10 other clubs. Do not put the name of the club with the list of each teams tournaments. Then rank the lists of tournaments and I bet the Madlax second teams list will not be 12th It would be somewhere between 8 and 10.

I will do no such thing. Because I check this board every few days during my lunch hour, and have no time to look at every single boys lacrosse club.

If you don't have a problem putting money in that guy's pockets, that's your decision. Stop telling people what to do with their dollars.

Does everyone see the irony of him telling people where not to spend their money and him saying I tell people where to spend their money? And if you have not check the other clubs your Opinion is coming from a uneducated place correct?

Madlax went 5-8-2 at some tournament called Halloween Havoc. Wow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax went 5-8-2 at some tournament called Halloween Havoc. Wow.

Their B teams stink - nobody is denying that.

But there are also parents from other clubs bragging about how well their "A" teams did at Halloween Havoc.

So the point is, Madlax B teams play in the same tournaments as A teams from lesser clubs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax went 5-8-2 at some tournament called Halloween Havoc. Wow.

Can you be any more condescending? You clearly took the time to research the tournament and add up the results. No, MadLax did not perform well, but did it ever occur to you that some teams have so many multi-sport athletes that playing Saturday tournaments are out of the question and teams are left with whatever is offered on Sundays?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And please observe the quality of the tournaments the top and bottom teams are attending because the bottom team will be playing in tournaments with other clubs top teams.

Top tournaments? You mean like Halloween Havoc? LOL.

The quality of tournaments Madlax enters its second team in are more then on Par with these lower level want a be clubs top teams. You can find other things to bash this club but as a whole you can not bash the level of play they afford the teams to play in. The plat form they place the top teams is clearly elite. The second teams are also placed in tournaments that are prefect for them. The high school second teams will be playing in front of 90 to 120 college coaches after the their three tournaments are over. Can any of the B or C level clubs in NOVA say this.

That wasn't the point. The previous guy - the Madlax apologist - was saying that Madlax's B teams were in TOP TIER tournaments. I guess he is living in a fantasy world if he thinks Halloween Havoc (wherever that was played) is a top tournament.

LOL.

And since you are LOL you think you are the lacrosse expert of 2022's? I seriously doubt it buddy boy. Where in the [lacrosse] do you get off knocking other teams and tournaments. Oh, I know, you feel like the top guru of lacrosse. Nope, I don't think so. There are kids that play in different divisions for various reasons, so what gives you the right to mock and belittle them or the tournaments they play in. Now, show some guts and post your name.

Madlax's 2024 team played up in 2023 bracket, went 4-0 and won tourney. Can't speak for all the clubs, but there were some good teams there. Regarding the tournament itself, well ran and there was a haunted maze and other activities for the kids after the tournament ended which the younger kids enjoyed. I think it was a good first-fall event to get kids back into lacrosse in a "fun for the family" environment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax's 2024 team played up in 2023 bracket, went 4-0 and won tourney. Can't speak for all the clubs, but there were some good teams there. Regarding the tournament itself, well ran and there was a haunted maze and other activities for the kids after the tournament ended which the younger kids enjoyed. I think it was a good first-fall event to get kids back into lacrosse in a "fun for the family" environment.

Great location, nice fields, good refs, no craziness. It was an enjoyable day to be outside watching the boys play. No need to apologize for anything.

Jesus. I'm not even a Madlax parent, but does anyone really give a flying $%$# what 10, 11 or 12 year old KIDS did at a tournament?!?!? Get a damn grip on your life.

It's amazing how many parents are so invested in their kids lacrosse success, but fail to see the bigger picture. 12.6 scholarships. 12.6. Do the math ...

These kids are probably more concerned about training a damn Pokemon then they are about being "elite, AAAAAAA+++ players". That is something the parents and THEIR egos focus on though, since they're stroking the check.

If your 10 year old wins a bunch of tournaments, congrats. Nobody else cares. They're 10.

Madlax state teams = BW, VLC

Madlax Capital teams are best in DMV,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened in the 2020 scrimmage with NL yesterday/

Madlax Capital 2020 got a beat down by NL2020. Wasn't even close to the final score NL 12- ML 3. Madlax will be in for a real shocker when the play in the NLF next weekend. Madlax must have lost some key players as they were at least competitive last year.

Ouch. I thought the Episcopal holdbacks were supposed to be an upgrade for the 2020 team? Maybe they'll let last season's MVP back on Capital to stop the bleeding???

Several were at a prospect day so missed the scrimmage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened in the 2020 scrimmage with NL yesterday/

Madlax Capital 2020 got a beat down by NL2020. Wasn't even close to the final score NL 12- ML 3. Madlax will be in for a real shocker when the play in the NLF next weekend. Madlax must have lost some key players as they were at least competitive last year.

Ouch. I thought the Episcopal holdbacks were supposed to be an upgrade for the 2020 team? Maybe they'll let last season's MVP back on Capital to stop the bleeding???

Several were at a prospect day so missed the scrimmage.

I understand you can not put names but try to be a little more specific with who was missing and a real number of how many. This will help you argument.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened in the 2020 scrimmage with NL yesterday/

Madlax Capital 2020 got a beat down by NL2020. Wasn't even close to the final score NL 12- ML 3. Madlax will be in for a real shocker when the play in the NLF next weekend. Madlax must have lost some key players as they were at least competitive last year.

Ouch. I thought the Episcopal holdbacks were supposed to be an upgrade for the 2020 team? Maybe they'll let last season's MVP back on Capital to stop the bleeding???

Several were at a prospect day so missed the scrimmage.

Same result, different Madlax excuse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened in the 2020 scrimmage with NL yesterday/

Madlax Capital 2020 got a beat down by NL2020. Wasn't even close to the final score NL 12- ML 3. Madlax will be in for a real shocker when the play in the NLF next weekend. Madlax must have lost some key players as they were at least competitive last year.

Ouch. I thought the Episcopal holdbacks were supposed to be an upgrade for the 2020 team? Maybe they'll let last season's MVP back on Capital to stop the bleeding???

Several were at a prospect day so missed the scrimmage.

So they were at Duke prospect camp were they?

Same lame excuse can be made for EVERY team playing in the Fall. They were at prospect days. They're playing football. Blah blah blah.

Your team got manhandled. Just deal with it and move on vs. making poor excuses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened in the 2020 scrimmage with NL yesterday/

Madlax Capital 2020 got a beat down by NL2020. Wasn't even close to the final score NL 12- ML 3. Madlax will be in for a real shocker when the play in the NLF next weekend. Madlax must have lost some key players as they were at least competitive last year.

Ouch. I thought the Episcopal holdbacks were supposed to be an upgrade for the 2020 team? Maybe they'll let last season's MVP back on Capital to stop the bleeding???

Several were at a prospect day so missed the scrimmage.

So they were at Duke prospect camp were they?

Same lame excuse can be made for EVERY team playing in the Fall. They were at prospect days. They're playing football. Blah blah blah.

Your team got manhandled. Just deal with it and move on vs. making poor excuses.

Well if it is true its true. It was a scrimmage. This is about the kids future correct. NL 2020 is a good team but have any of them Verbaled to D1 school yet? These are high school kids that is the true end game with this level of travel lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened in the 2020 scrimmage with NL yesterday/

Madlax Capital 2020 got a beat down by NL2020. Wasn't even close to the final score NL 12- ML 3. Madlax will be in for a real shocker when the play in the NLF next weekend. Madlax must have lost some key players as they were at least competitive last year.

Ouch. I thought the Episcopal holdbacks were supposed to be an upgrade for the 2020 team? Maybe they'll let last season's MVP back on Capital to stop the bleeding???

Several were at a prospect day so missed the scrimmage.

So they were at Duke prospect camp were they?

Same lame excuse can be made for EVERY team playing in the Fall. They were at prospect days. They're playing football. Blah blah blah.

Your team got manhandled. Just deal with it and move on vs. making poor excuses.

Somebody asked about the kids who were supposed to be an upgrade. They were not there, that's all, no excuses.

Hello Next Level when you have one kid from your club sign with a D1 school please let us know. The 2019 squad is still at 0 and the 2020 team is at 0. You can have the Sunday fall scrimmage wins all you want but if you want your son to play D1 lacrosse you might want to switch to a real club this week so you have time to get it done.

Somebody's a little raw this morning. Losing sucks, people with character suck it up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax went 5-8-2 at some tournament called Halloween Havoc. Wow.

Their B teams stink - nobody is denying that.

But there are also parents from other clubs bragging about how well their "A" teams did at Halloween Havoc.

So the point is, Madlax B teams play in the same tournaments as A teams from lesser clubs

I did see a club bragging about doing well at Halloween Havoc (RR maybe?) But I was shocked to see that Madlax is ALSO bragging about their performance at Halloween Havoc.

Forget their overall losing record at a tournament I've never heard. Are they really bragging about how they did at a tournament called Halloween Havoc?

Wow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax went 5-8-2 at some tournament called Halloween Havoc. Wow.

Their B teams stink - nobody is denying that.

But there are also parents from other clubs bragging about how well their "A" teams did at Halloween Havoc.

So the point is, Madlax B teams play in the same tournaments as A teams from lesser clubs

I did see a club bragging about doing well at Halloween Havoc (RR maybe?) But I was shocked to see that Madlax is ALSO bragging about their performance at Halloween Havoc.

Forget their overall losing record at a tournament I've never heard. Are they really bragging about how they did at a tournament called Halloween Havoc?

Wow.

Wow, are you saying that just because YOU never heard of a tournament (Halloween Havoc) that it is meaningless? You really need to get a life and broaden your perspective, if that is possible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax went 5-8-2 at some tournament called Halloween Havoc. Wow.

Their B teams stink - nobody is denying that.

But there are also parents from other clubs bragging about how well their "A" teams did at Halloween Havoc.

So the point is, Madlax B teams play in the same tournaments as A teams from lesser clubs

I did see a club bragging about doing well at Halloween Havoc (RR maybe?) But I was shocked to see that Madlax is ALSO bragging about their performance at Halloween Havoc.

Forget their overall losing record at a tournament I've never heard. Are they really bragging about how they did at a tournament called Halloween Havoc?

Wow.

Maybe they should name the tournament after you
"donkey d bag (your name here)elites"

The ugly poster on here sure does know local lacrosse at all levels, or at least enough to put down everyone and everything.

Yep that Madlax guy tries to shame people to leave their current club by dissing certain tourneys. He wants the Madlax B teams to improve, so he has an agenda.

What happened to the idea of having other threads for the other DMV clubs like Blackwolf and VLC, or even other MD Clubs besides Looney's and Crabs?

Frankly, I'm tired of reading the same retread of Madlax stories and would rather discuss other clubs ....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the idea of having other threads for the other DMV clubs like Blackwolf and VLC, or even other MD Clubs besides Looney's and Crabs?

Frankly, I'm tired of reading the same retread of Madlax stories and would rather discuss other clubs ....

Signed,
Madlax Dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax went 5-8-2 at some tournament called Halloween Havoc. Wow.

Their B teams stink - nobody is denying that.

But there are also parents from other clubs bragging about how well their "A" teams did at Halloween Havoc.

So the point is, Madlax B teams play in the same tournaments as A teams from lesser clubs

I did see a club bragging about doing well at Halloween Havoc (RR maybe?) But I was shocked to see that Madlax is ALSO bragging about their performance at Halloween Havoc.

Forget their overall losing record at a tournament I've never heard. Are they really bragging about how they did at a tournament called Halloween Havoc?

Wow.

Maybe they should name the tournament after you
"donkey d bag (your name here)elites"

You're actually defending that tournament? Sorry you are forced to play in something like that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello Next Level when you have one kid from your club sign with a D1 school please let us know. The 2019 squad is still at 0 and the 2020 team is at 0. You can have the Sunday fall scrimmage wins all you want but if you want your son to play D1 lacrosse you might want to switch to a real club this week so you have time to get it done.

Guess Madlax Capital 2020 is getting really tired of losing to a no name club like Next Level while claiming to be the DMV's elite home of club lacrosse. Why would a NL2020 kid switch to a bad team like Madlax Capital 2020 and have to endure the coach? NL2020 has the best 2020 players from Prep/Landon/Gonzaga/SA. The other top 2020's are on Crabs. Same is true for the top 2021 players on BLC. Unfortunately for you/Madlax the best players didn't collect together on the 2020 or 2021 Madlax teams. Just because commitments haven't been announced/accepted doesn't mean they aren't/haven't happened. Hello Madlax homer, you're gonna need more patience for the tournament losses, Sunday losses, etc. But upside is I'm sure the D1 commits will come because you play for Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened in the 2020 scrimmage with NL yesterday/

Madlax Capital 2020 got a beat down by NL2020. Wasn't even close to the final score NL 12- ML 3. Madlax will be in for a real shocker when the play in the NLF next weekend. Madlax must have lost some key players as they were at least competitive last year.

Ouch. I thought the Episcopal holdbacks were supposed to be an upgrade for the 2020 team? Maybe they'll let last season's MVP back on Capital to stop the bleeding???

Several were at a prospect day so missed the scrimmage.

So they were at Duke prospect camp were they?

Same lame excuse can be made for EVERY team playing in the Fall. They were at prospect days. They're playing football. Blah blah blah.

Your team got manhandled. Just deal with it and move on vs. making poor excuses.

Well if it is true its true. It was a scrimmage. This is about the kids future correct. NL 2020 is a good team but have any of them Verbaled to D1 school yet? These are high school kids that is the true end game with this level of travel lacrosse.

Here's a fact. Madlax 2020 has never beaten NL2020, ever. NL2020 has far better players and the D1 commits will be much greater than Madlax 2020 over the next year/2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello Next Level when you have one kid from your club sign with a D1 school please let us know. The 2019 squad is still at 0 and the 2020 team is at 0. You can have the Sunday fall scrimmage wins all you want but if you want your son to play D1 lacrosse you might want to switch to a real club this week so you have time to get it done.

Guess Madlax Capital 2020 is getting really tired of losing to a no name club like Next Level while claiming to be the DMV's elite home of club lacrosse. Why would a NL2020 kid switch to a bad team like Madlax Capital 2020 and have to endure the coach? NL2020 has the best 2020 players from Prep/Landon/Gonzaga/SA. The other top 2020's are on Crabs. Same is true for the top 2021 players on BLC. Unfortunately for you/Madlax the best players didn't collect together on the 2020 or 2021 Madlax teams. Just because commitments haven't been announced/accepted doesn't mean they aren't/haven't happened. Hello Madlax homer, you're gonna need more patience for the tournament losses, Sunday losses, etc. But upside is I'm sure the D1 commits will come because you play for Madlax.

Oh, NL has secret verbals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep that Madlax guy tries to shame people to leave their current club by dissing certain tourneys. He wants the Madlax B teams to improve, so he has an agenda.

Or Trig is back!! Who are the next victims?

Oh, NL has secret verbals.[/quote] I'd argue that kids that are in the process and going on visits are really the same thing as those that are verbals. The kids just haven't made a choice yet. Let's face it, if you are really hoping for say Notre Dame or UVA but you could verbal to a variety of other schools you are playing at the same level as those that have committed, you are just choosing not to make a verbal commitment. So a list of verbals might not tell you as much about a club as a list of players that are actively participating in the recruitment process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, NL has secret verbals.

I'd argue that kids that are in the process and going on visits are really the same thing as those that are verbals. The kids just haven't made a choice yet. Let's face it, if you are really hoping for say Notre Dame or UVA but you could verbal to a variety of other schools you are playing at the same level as those that have committed, you are just choosing not to make a verbal commitment. So a list of verbals might not tell you as much about a club as a list of players that are actively participating in the recruitment process. [/quote]
If a kid is holding out for a better school then he is not on the top of that schools list. And if you are implying that the early verbals are not picking their top schools this seems unlikely. The best players get picked first this is a fact. If a kid is a top player he will be calling the shots. There is nothing wrong with waiting for a certain school to notice you but to imply these kids are top players is not true. If you are a top player and you want to got to ND or UVA then you could or would Verbal today. If you do not have this option yet you are not the top of the top.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep that Madlax guy tries to shame people to leave their current club by dissing certain tourneys. He wants the Madlax B teams to improve, so he has an agenda.

Or Trig is back!! Who are the next victims?

Dunno. Which families has the Madlax guy attacked this week?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, NL has secret verbals.

I'd argue that kids that are in the process and going on visits are really the same thing as those that are verbals. The kids just haven't made a choice yet. Let's face it, if you are really hoping for say Notre Dame or UVA but you could verbal to a variety of other schools you are playing at the same level as those that have committed, you are just choosing not to make a verbal commitment. So a list of verbals might not tell you as much about a club as a list of players that are actively participating in the recruitment process.

If a kid is holding out for a better school then he is not on the top of that schools list. And if you are implying that the early verbals are not picking their top schools this seems unlikely. The best players get picked first this is a fact. If a kid is a top player he will be calling the shots. There is nothing wrong with waiting for a certain school to notice you but to imply these kids are top players is not true. If you are a top player and you want to got to ND or UVA then you could or would Verbal today. If you do not have this option yet you are not the top of the top. [/quote] No what I'm saying is that not everyone's top school commits freshman and UVA and ND are examples of that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep that Madlax guy tries to shame people to leave their current club by dissing certain tourneys. He wants the Madlax B teams to improve, so he has an agenda.

Or Trig is back!! Who are the next victims?

Dunno. Which families has the Madlax guy attacked this week?

Trig- Fingers crossed that meds have kicked in and there won't be kids sent to the hospital this week. Too bad about SJC job, but you got a solid 2 months in anyway. Any news on the job front? Post that mysterious resume for all to see

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep that Madlax guy tries to shame people to leave their current club by dissing certain tourneys. He wants the Madlax B teams to improve, so he has an agenda.

Or Trig is back!! Who are the next victims?

Dunno. Which families has the Madlax guy attacked this week?

Trig- Fingers crossed that meds have kicked in and there won't be kids sent to the hospital this week. Too bad about SJC job, but you got a solid 2 months in anyway. Any news on the job front? Post that mysterious resume for all to see

Your obsession with him is strange. Guess it doesn't bother you that the Madlax guy got fired for bad behavior too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep that Madlax guy tries to shame people to leave their current club by dissing certain tourneys. He wants the Madlax B teams to improve, so he has an agenda.

Or Trig is back!! Who are the next victims?

Dunno. Which families has the Madlax guy attacked this week?

Trig- Fingers crossed that meds have kicked in and there won't be kids sent to the hospital this week. Too bad about SJC job, but you got a solid 2 months in anyway. Any news on the job front? Post that mysterious resume for all to see

Your obsession with him is strange. Guess it doesn't bother you that the Madlax guy got fired for bad behavior too.

What year was that. Not sure but I would guess 15 years ago now. He let kids party he did not almost kill them. But I guess they are the same thing. Oh he got in trouble for trying to make his high school players play Madlax that's way worse then death for sure

Wow. Madlax advertised that their tournament this weekend would be both days.

Now their Saturday event has been reduced to only 8 games involving 7 teams, 4 of which are Madlax teams.

Two of the Madlax teams are only playing 1 game each. He is actually making those families drive to Poolesville to play one game.

LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Madlax advertised that their tournament this weekend would be both days.

Now their Saturday event has been reduced to only 8 games involving 7 teams, 4 of which are Madlax teams.

Two of the Madlax teams are only playing 1 game each. He is actually making those families drive to Poolesville to play one game.

LOL.

Please tell me again what we all did when we played in the NPYLL or now it the HOCO league all spring? I am sure they are not happy about it but with 12 tournaments every weekend and every team having hand shake deals all over the place its getting harder and harder to have large tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, NL has secret verbals.

I'd argue that kids that are in the process and going on visits are really the same thing as those that are verbals. The kids just haven't made a choice yet. Let's face it, if you are really hoping for say Notre Dame or UVA but you could verbal to a variety of other schools you are playing at the same level as those that have committed, you are just choosing not to make a verbal commitment. So a list of verbals might not tell you as much about a club as a list of players that are actively participating in the recruitment process.

If a kid is holding out for a better school then he is not on the top of that schools list. And if you are implying that the early verbals are not picking their top schools this seems unlikely. The best players get picked first this is a fact. If a kid is a top player he will be calling the shots. There is nothing wrong with waiting for a certain school to notice you but to imply these kids are top players is not true. If you are a top player and you want to got to ND or UVA then you could or would Verbal today. If you do not have this option yet you are not the top of the top.

Oh this is rich. Secret NL verbals. NL kids as good or better than the already committed......you live in a parallel universe. ND funny. Reality is a great place...visit once or twice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, NL has secret verbals.

I'd argue that kids that are in the process and going on visits are really the same thing as those that are verbals. The kids just haven't made a choice yet. Let's face it, if you are really hoping for say Notre Dame or UVA but you could verbal to a variety of other schools you are playing at the same level as those that have committed, you are just choosing not to make a verbal commitment. So a list of verbals might not tell you as much about a club as a list of players that are actively participating in the recruitment process.

If a kid is holding out for a better school then he is not on the top of that schools list. And if you are implying that the early verbals are not picking their top schools this seems unlikely. The best players get picked first this is a fact. If a kid is a top player he will be calling the shots. There is nothing wrong with waiting for a certain school to notice you but to imply these kids are top players is not true. If you are a top player and you want to got to ND or UVA then you could or would Verbal today. If you do not have this option yet you are not the top of the top.

Can't wait to see this NL team with secret verbals play FCA on Sunday. They should dominate. Wonder if they will do it secretly?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, NL has secret verbals.

I'd argue that kids that are in the process and going on visits are really the same thing as those that are verbals. The kids just haven't made a choice yet. Let's face it, if you are really hoping for say Notre Dame or UVA but you could verbal to a variety of other schools you are playing at the same level as those that have committed, you are just choosing not to make a verbal commitment. So a list of verbals might not tell you as much about a club as a list of players that are actively participating in the recruitment process.

Have fun in Poolesville!
If a kid is holding out for a better school then he is not on the top of that schools list. And if you are implying that the early verbals are not picking their top schools this seems unlikely. The best players get picked first this is a fact. If a kid is a top player he will be calling the shots. There is nothing wrong with waiting for a certain school to notice you but to imply these kids are top players is not true. If you are a top player and you want to got to ND or UVA then you could or would Verbal today. If you do not have this option yet you are not the top of the top.

Can't wait to see this NL team with secret verbals play FCA on Sunday. They should dominate. Wonder if they will do it secretly?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Madlax advertised that their tournament this weekend would be both days.

Now their Saturday event has been reduced to only 8 games involving 7 teams, 4 of which are Madlax teams.

Two of the Madlax teams are only playing 1 game each. He is actually making those families drive to Poolesville to play one game.

LOL.

Please tell me again what we all did when we played in the NPYLL or now it the HOCO league all spring? I am sure they are not happy about it but with 12 tournaments every weekend and every team having hand shake deals all over the place its getting harder and harder to have large tournaments.

I feel sorry for those out of town teams who flew in just to play a couple games against Madlax's B teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, NL has secret verbals.

I'd argue that kids that are in the process and going on visits are really the same thing as those that are verbals. The kids just haven't made a choice yet. Let's face it, if you are really hoping for say Notre Dame or UVA but you could verbal to a variety of other schools you are playing at the same level as those that have committed, you are just choosing not to make a verbal commitment. So a list of verbals might not tell you as much about a club as a list of players that are actively participating in the recruitment process.

Have fun in Poolesville!
If a kid is holding out for a better school then he is not on the top of that schools list. And if you are implying that the early verbals are not picking their top schools this seems unlikely. The best players get picked first this is a fact. If a kid is a top player he will be calling the shots. There is nothing wrong with waiting for a certain school to notice you but to imply these kids are top players is not true. If you are a top player and you want to got to ND or UVA then you could or would Verbal today. If you do not have this option yet you are not the top of the top.

Can't wait to see this NL team with secret verbals play FCA on Sunday. They should dominate. Wonder if they will do it secretly?

No trip to Poolesville here.... so you are saying none of the top players in the class of 2020 want to play for ND or UVA, I seriously doubt that. The number one 2019 just de-committed from JHU to UVA. It's a fact there are schools that don't commit freshman. I guess your one of those people that would put lacrosse above academics or a good fit for your son. Good for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, NL has secret verbals.

I'd argue that kids that are in the process and going on visits are really the same thing as those that are verbals. The kids just haven't made a choice yet. Let's face it, if you are really hoping for say Notre Dame or UVA but you could verbal to a variety of other schools you are playing at the same level as those that have committed, you are just choosing not to make a verbal commitment. So a list of verbals might not tell you as much about a club as a list of players that are actively participating in the recruitment process.

If a kid is holding out for a better school then he is not on the top of that schools list. And if you are implying that the early verbals are not picking their top schools this seems unlikely. The best players get picked first this is a fact. If a kid is a top player he will be calling the shots. There is nothing wrong with waiting for a certain school to notice you but to imply these kids are top players is not true. If you are a top player and you want to got to ND or UVA then you could or would Verbal today. If you do not have this option yet you are not the top of the top.

No what I'm saying is that not everyone's top school commits freshman and UVA and ND are examples of that.[/quote]

This is not accurate. Fogos got picked up first, a few goalies, those kids who are "big"'for "2020" so schools know their minimum end size and several coaches kids. Some of the best but not all or THE best by a long shot. There are kids not interested in the schools who are doing the early recruiting. UVA, ND, many Ivys, as well as others do not participate in the early recruiting game. each family does what is best for them.

The next group of commits for ND and UVA are coming out of the already committed list, who then "de-commit". Not from this Next Level group.

Did Madlax 2020 lose players to Blackwolf this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Madlax 2020 lose players to Blackwolf this year?

They lost 3-4 to BW. My son said there are a couple more leaving soon for other clubs as well.

Did DC Express poach any Madlax players?

D.C. Express lost to Looney's 19-1. Someone please tell me why there were invited to NLF

Originally Posted by Anonymous

D.C. Express lost to Looney's 19-1. Someone please tell me why there were invited to NLF

Express is a member of NLF and will probably be at all their events.

Did anyone hear how Eclipse out of CT has done at NLF?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone hear how Eclipse out of CT has done at NLF?

Lost to Looney's and Laxachussetts, and beat DC Express.

Dc express is terrible. Should notb have been allowed to attend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dc express is terrible. Should notb have been allowed to attend

Was it 2021?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dc express is terrible. Should notb have been allowed to attend

Was it 2021?

Team was the DC Express 2020. Don't know who would be on that team after Next Level, Blackwolf, Madlax and VLC take all the local DMV talent. Must be a team of players who couldn't make the other local teams. I hope for the success of the program the BLC 2021 team stays together which is now DC Express 2021. Gotta expect a first year program to take some lumps. They just need to play down in the lower tier tournaments as its evident they'll get embarrassed in the top tournys. The coaches should have known better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep that Madlax guy tries to shame people to leave their current club by dissing certain tourneys. He wants the Madlax B teams to improve, so he has an agenda.

Or Trig is back!! Who are the next victims?

Dunno. Which families has the Madlax guy attacked this week?

Trig- Fingers crossed that meds have kicked in and there won't be kids sent to the hospital this week. Too bad about SJC job, but you got a solid 2 months in anyway. Any news on the job front? Post that mysterious resume for all to see

Your obsession with him is strange. Guess it doesn't bother you that the Madlax guy got fired for bad behavior too.

What year was that. Not sure but I would guess 15 years ago now. He let kids party he did not almost kill them. But I guess they are the same thing. Oh he got in trouble for trying to make his high school players play Madlax that's way worse then death for sure

Death? Hyperbole much? Not 15, more like 6 years ago when he was canned for threatening his own HS players.

Why not move the big 2024 face off middie up with kids his age? It would be such a better experience for him.

Threatening is pretty subjective. Do you think Trig has threatened players?

FACT: Trig sent 3 players to the hospital in 3 separate ambulances. Fired 2 months on the SJC job.

Nothing subjective there

I asked a Blackwolf 2020 dad about the coach and he told me it was some kind of misunderstanding which led to Trig "resigning" from SJCHS. There are some good kids/players/families in the program, feel sorry for them to go thru this just as they're starting high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Threatening is pretty subjective. Do you think Trig has threatened players?

FACT: Trig sent 3 players to the hospital in 3 separate ambulances. Fired 2 months on the SJC job.

Nothing subjective there

There was nothing subjective about the threatening emails (notice a pattern here?) he sent to his HS players saying they better play Madlax or else. That's why the school canned him.

If Trig denied water to kids (regardless if ambulances were called), he also deserved to be canned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I asked a Blackwolf 2020 dad about the coach and he told me it was some kind of misunderstanding which led to Trig "resigning" from SJCHS. There are some good kids/players/families in the program, feel sorry for them to go thru this just as they're starting high school.

No, he absolutely went the "Patton" route at that practice and refused to let the kids have a water break. So a few collapse and ambulances had to arrive. That was the end of his SJ coaching career. What an idiot.

If you want to see the Blackwolf rosters, they are available here: https://lax.teamsportsinfo.com/umml-tc-fall-sunday-2016/Tournament/Rosters_Public#

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want to see the Blackwolf rosters, they are available here: https://lax.teamsportsinfo.com/umml-tc-fall-sunday-2016/Tournament/Rosters_Public#

How did they do last weekend at Towson?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want to see the Blackwolf rosters, they are available here: https://lax.teamsportsinfo.com/umml-tc-fall-sunday-2016/Tournament/Rosters_Public#

How did they do last weekend at Towson?

The 2018 team, with only a skeleton crew, smashed Florida Crush, Edge Canada, and True Michigan. The Florida team? Shmehh. But, the other two are quality teams and they got stomped. Cole was coaching the team, though, not Trig.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want to see the Blackwolf rosters, they are available here: https://lax.teamsportsinfo.com/umml-tc-fall-sunday-2016/Tournament/Rosters_Public#

The 2020 team has kids that were cut by Maryland Extreme?

How do you know he's not playing with kids his age?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why not move the big 2024 face off middie up with kids his age? It would be such a better experience for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why not move the big 2024 face off middie up with kids his age? It would be such a better experience for him.

How do you know he is not playing with kids his age? Why are you singling out a 5th grader? The 2024 team is stacked with lots of good players.

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

Not a shock. People bash on the Crabs and they deserve it. BUt Madlax actually has more holdbacks than any other club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

What if I told you this kid has a late July birthday is only 11, playing with and against kids who are older than he is; would that change your opinion? Just because a child is physically bigger than other kids on the field does not mean he's playing down. Some kids are just big.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

Have you seen his birth certificate?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

Have you seen his birth certificate?

It is really sad that opposing parents and coaches would attack an 11 year old boy and the Madlax program as if they were doing something wrong. He's just a big kid and a great laxer. Give him a break and let him have fun playing lacrosse with his friends and teammates.

I honestly don't see where anyone attacked him in that thread. If he's really 11 then feel good about things and move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

What if I told you this kid has a late July birthday is only 11, playing with and against kids who are older than he is; would that change your opinion? Just because a child is physically bigger than other kids on the field does not mean he's playing down. Some kids are just big.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

What if I told you this kid has a late July birthday is only 11, playing with and against kids who are older than he is; would that change your opinion? Just because a child is physically bigger than other kids on the field does not mean he's playing down. Some kids are just big.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

What if I told you this kid has a late July birthday is only 11, playing with and against kids who are older than he is; would that change your opinion? Just because a child is physically bigger than other kids on the field does not mean he's playing down. Some kids are just big.

Late July and 11 is 2005. That's 2023. Not playing with kids his own age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

What if I told you this kid has a late July birthday is only 11, playing with and against kids who are older than he is; would that change your opinion? Just because a child is physically bigger than other kids on the field does not mean he's playing down. Some kids are just big.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

What if I told you this kid has a late July birthday is only 11, playing with and against kids who are older than he is; would that change your opinion? Just because a child is physically bigger than other kids on the field does not mean he's playing down. Some kids are just big.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's a great player, he just should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11. If Cabell cared about his development he would do the right thing.

It's a great team that goes to good without him, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not trying to single him out, as he likely has had nothing to do with these decisions.

What if I told you this kid has a late July birthday is only 11, playing with and against kids who are older than he is; would that change your opinion? Just because a child is physically bigger than other kids on the field does not mean he's playing down. Some kids are just big.

Late July and 11 is 2005. That's 2023. Not playing with kids his own age.

How's that? It's very, very common for parents to hold off on sending their child to kindergarten if they turn 5 a month prior to school starting. Very common. And at that time no parent knows how good their kid will be in any sport. Now, if they later chose to hold their child back, just to give them an edge on the field, then you would have a valid point. Its not as if he's 12 or 13 playing on a 5th grade team. He is playing with kids his age/grade. Just leave it at that and give the kid credit for working hard and being a great player. Don't criticize with no knowledge.

You do realize you just said he is supposed to be a 6th grader

My 5th grader is March 10th 2006. So she is 10 years old. You want to do your math again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You do realize you just said he is supposed to be a 6th grader

Do you realize you just said that an 11 year old kid "should be with kids that are also 12-13 and not 10 and 11"? What kind of sense does that make. Stop ragging on the kid for being 11 on a 5th grade team. If he were 12 or 13 it would be a different story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 5th grader is March 10th 2006. So she is 10 years old. You want to do your math again.

I'm not sure who your message was was in response to, but the only point I was trying to make is that if you go into any 5th grade classroom in America you will find kids of different ages; some may be 10, others may be 11. You might even find some really smart 9 year olds.

If a kid has a summer bday its not uncommon for parents to start them in school later, taking them from being the youngest in their class to potentially the oldest. That's a decision parents make based on a lot of factors, but certainly not due to the kids athleticism at age 4 or 5.

Wow saw that kid yesterday on the 2024's in the finals. If he's getting the experience he wants out of playing on that level and he's in 5th grade good for him. I thought my kid was big until I saw him. Good player. He could definitely play up and improve his game at the 2023 level but if he likes it where he is then good for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow saw that kid yesterday on the 2024's in the finals. If he's getting the experience he wants out of playing on that level and he's in 5th grade good for him. I thought my kid was big until I saw him. Good player. He could definitely play up and improve his game at the 2023 level but if he likes it where he is then good for him.

Yep. Not just big. Fast too. Saw him rip some killer shots like it was no big deal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow saw that kid yesterday on the 2024's in the finals. If he's getting the experience he wants out of playing on that level and he's in 5th grade good for him. I thought my kid was big until I saw him. Good player. He could definitely play up and improve his game at the 2023 level but if he likes it where he is then good for him.

Any kid that is scoring 5 goals a game is probably having a blast. If I had to guess, he probably likes it where he is.

Madlax has more reclassed kids than anyone. Kind of funny for the Madlax apologist crying about people "attacking" Madlax.

Usually it's the other way around.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has more reclassed kids than anyone. Kind of funny for the Madlax apologist crying about people "attacking" Madlax.

Usually it's the other way around.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Hey Trig-

Looks like your meds wore off! Might want to stay away from kids for a while, hate for someone, or 3, to wind up in an ambulance!

Really should think about a job, you know, type that pays money. Art is neat to look at, but no way to support a family.

Maybe you could scrub bathrooms at Looneys, heard there was an opening.

Anyway, have fun on the message boards, at least you are not near children

They (2024 Madlax) were missing many of their "A" players this weekend, and still cruised.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They (2024 Madlax) were missing many of their "A" players this weekend, and still cruised.

Um, everyone is missing players, Dad. Also, you are bragging about 5th graders.

Get a life.

I am not bragging Pops, there's no team I dislike more. They don't need half the squad when the soon to be 13 year old is playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not bragging Pops, there's no team I dislike more. They don't need half the squad when the soon to be 13 year old is playing.

Let�s not fool ourselves. This is just youth lacrosse. If it were Texas football or Chicago basketball, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. To call him a �soon to be 13 year old� is actually a compliment. But more importantly it ignores that the Madlax 2024 team is stacked from top-to-bottom. The attack doesn�t miss. The middies give 110% and win every GB. And the poles and goalies are hands-down the best defense in the country. I consider myself very lucky to be part of the team. It is a great group of parents and kids that enjoy being together on and off the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not bragging Pops, there's no team I dislike more. They don't need half the squad when the soon to be 13 year old is playing.

Let�s not fool ourselves. This is just youth lacrosse. If it were Texas football or Chicago basketball, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. To call him a �soon to be 13 year old� is actually a compliment. But more importantly it ignores that the Madlax 2024 team is stacked from top-to-bottom. The attack doesn�t miss. The middies give 110% and win every GB. And the poles and goalies are hands-down the best defense in the country. I consider myself very lucky to be part of the team. It is a great group of parents and kids that enjoy being together on and off the field.

So you know for a FACT that your son's 5th grade team has THE best goalies and defensemen in the NATION?

Ok, dad. Good to see you are enjoying living through your son. Must be why you have no problems giving your money to a guy who threatens his own clients.

Every Madlax team breaks apart when they enter HS because there are better options and people get tired of his BS. Yours will, too.

Please tell me how the 2018 and 2019 teams have broken apart. And the 2020 team has improved a ton and will be a top 20 team.
As for paying a man our money please get over what we do with our money. This 2024 team is coached by the owner and it looks to me that everyone is happy with him. And sense most of the people on here are parents we can all agree that we tend to calm down and have a better view on life when our kids are born and become older. The owner has 3 sons now who are effecting how he sees the world and handles the world.

You actually wrote,

"I consider myself very lucky to be part of the team".

You are NOT part of the team. Your son is. Your statement shows how messed up you are. Live your own life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please tell me how the 2018 and 2019 teams have broken apart. And the 2020 team has improved a ton and will be a top 20 team.
As for paying a man our money please get over what we do with our money. This 2024 team is coached by the owner and it looks to me that everyone is happy with him. And sense most of the people on here are parents we can all agree that we tend to calm down and have a better view on life when our kids are born and become older. The owner has 3 sons now who are effecting how he sees the world and handles the world.

Both 2018 and 2019 teams are still very good, but they have both lost guys (especially the 2018 team). That is a fact that you would know if you had an older kid.

As for the owner mellowing because he has 3 kids now, I can't stop laughing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not bragging Pops, there's no team I dislike more. They don't need half the squad when the soon to be 13 year old is playing.

Let�s not fool ourselves. This is just youth lacrosse. If it were Texas football or Chicago basketball, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. To call him a �soon to be 13 year old� is actually a compliment. But more importantly it ignores that the Madlax 2024 team is stacked from top-to-bottom. The attack doesn�t miss. The middies give 110% and win every GB. And the poles and goalies are hands-down the best defense in the country. I consider myself very lucky to be part of the team. It is a great group of parents and kids that enjoy being together on and off the field.

So you know for a FACT that your son's 5th grade team has THE best goalies and defensemen in the NATION?

Ok, dad. Good to see you are enjoying living through your son. Must be why you have no problems giving your money to a guy who threatens his own clients.

Every Madlax team breaks apart when they enter HS because there are better options and people get tired of his BS. Yours will, too.

Man, do you sound bitter and angry. No program is perfect, but the last time I checked the 2018 and 2019 teams were kicking a$$. I am also told the 2024 team has been close to undefeated over the last 2 or so years. So probably not a stretch to say they have a good team. We have all heard the attacks on Madlax. Frankly they are getting really old.

Didn't 2024 lose to 89+2 Wolfpack by 10+ goals?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not bragging Pops, there's no team I dislike more. They don't need half the squad when the soon to be 13 year old is playing.

Lets not fool ourselves. This is just youth lacrosse. If it were Texas football or Chicago basketball, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. To call him a soon to be 13 year old is actually a compliment. But more importantly it ignores that the Madlax 2024 team is stacked from top-to-bottom. The attack doesnt miss. The middies give 110% and win every GB. And the poles and goalies are hands-down the best defense in the country. I consider myself very lucky to be part of the team. It is a great group of parents and kids that enjoy being together on and off the field.

So you know for a FACT that your son's 5th grade team has THE best goalies and defensemen in the NATION?

Ok, dad. Good to see you are enjoying living through your son. Must be why you have no problems giving your money to a guy who threatens his own clients.

Every Madlax team breaks apart when they enter HS because there are better options and people get tired of his BS. Yours will, too.

Man, do you sound bitter and angry. No program is perfect, but the last time I checked the 2018 and 2019 teams were kicking a$$. I am also told the 2024 team has been close to undefeated over the last 2 or so years. So probably not a stretch to say they have a good team. We have all heard the attacks on Madlax. Frankly they are getting really old.

Your blanket defense of Madlax (especially when you don't have kids on certain teams) is really old.

2018 just lost to Orange Crush. LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't 2024 lose to 89+2 Wolfpack by 10+ goals?

That was definitely a big win for Wolfpack, and one of 2024's few losses. 2024 beat Wolfpack a couple of weeks earlier. So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that 2024 wasn't at full strength that weekend. 2024 normally beats Taz by a solid margin, and only beat them by 1 that same weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't 2024 lose to 89+2 Wolfpack by 10+ goals?

That was definitely a big win for Wolfpack, and one of 2024's few losses. 2024 beat Wolfpack a couple of weeks earlier. So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that 2024 wasn't at full strength that weekend. 2024 normally beats Taz by a solid margin, and only beat them by 1 that same weekend.

To have a 12 yr old on a 2024 team is a disgrace.

No dog but, the 3 are all great teams not just madlax daddy. I believe Taz best wolfpack 5x's last summer.

Madlax came to their senses and is not forcing their showcase players to play in their Sunday tournament. They did that last year and those poor kids lost every game and every game something like 1-14. So that is good.

But instead they are going to play each other and a Madlax team. On a field that nobody will visit. Sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax came to their senses and is not forcing their showcase players to play in their Sunday tournament. They did that last year and those poor kids lost every game and every game something like 1-14. So that is good.

But instead they are going to play each other and a Madlax team. On a field that nobody will visit. Sad.

So is there anything they can do to make you happy. They played the good teams last year you are mad. They play each other this year you are mad. They could let them each play Robinson that should not be to bad of a butt kicking?

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So is there anything they can do to make you happy.

Do it like every other Showcase. Make it just one day and make the people pay for just 1 day like everyone else.

Stop gauging people to pay for 2 days when the 2nd day is a complete waste of time and money. But there are always new people to recruiting and they get suckered into paying for the 2nd day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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So is there anything they can do to make you happy.

Do it like every other Showcase. Make it just one day and make the people pay for just 1 day like everyone else.

Stop gauging people to pay for 2 days when the 2nd day is a complete waste of time and money. But there are always new people to recruiting and they get suckered into paying for the 2nd day.

Ok I hear what you are saying. But lets do this. The team tournament on Sunday is 100% legit and will be packed with coaches. I agree they are there to see the Hill, Landon, or the other top high school teams playing. But I have been to these other "recruiting tournaments and seen 1 or less coaches on some of the games sidelines. So with this being said if when these two teams from Sat play on Sunday. Someone please count the number of coaches on the sideline. So in your opinion how many coaches on the sideline would be worth you paying the 100$ to play on this Sunday with a Showcase team. To me if 5 coaches or more on on the sideline it is worth the money if their is less then 5 for this game please come back on here and bash away and I will agree with you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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So is there anything they can do to make you happy.

Do it like every other Showcase. Make it just one day and make the people pay for just 1 day like everyone else.

Stop gauging people to pay for 2 days when the 2nd day is a complete waste of time and money. But there are always new people to recruiting and they get suckered into paying for the 2nd day.

It is not gauging, but is a nice OPTION for players that are traveling from out of town for the showcase. It is their choice to decide whether to play or not.

It is gauging when it's advertised as a good exposure to coaches. Look at last year's disaster. They made up 4 showcase teams and they lost every game scoring about 2 goals in all of their games.

Waste if time and money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is gauging when it's advertised as a good exposure to coaches. Look at last year's disaster. They made up 4 showcase teams and they lost every game scoring about 2 goals in all of their games.

Waste if time and money.

No, gauging would be forcing the kids to play for two days.

That's why they changed that format donkey.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is gauging when it's advertised as a good exposure to coaches. Look at last year's disaster. They made up 4 showcase teams and they lost every game scoring about 2 goals in all of their games.

Waste if time and money.

No, gauging would be forcing the kids to play for two days.

He used to make the kids pay for both days. Now he promises the 2nd day is worthwhile when it absolutely is not.

Man, you love to give money to a guy who threatens his own clients. But you'll leave eventually like many families do.

You're the dumbA for paying 2x the cost when other clubs do better getting their kids into college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is gauging when it's advertised as a good exposure to coaches. Look at last year's disaster. They made up 4 showcase teams and they lost every game scoring about 2 goals in all of their games.

Waste if time and money.

No, gauging would be forcing the kids to play for two days.

He used to make the kids pay for both days. Now he promises the 2nd day is worthwhile when it absolutely is not.

Man, you love to give money to a guy who threatens his own clients. But you'll leave eventually like many families do.

You're the dumbA for paying 2x the cost when other clubs do better getting their kids into college.

Hey can someone from FCA or 3D please put what they paid for their clubs this year or last? Madlax is not 2X what these other clubs pay. Its more but not 2X. He gets mad when you leave so why would any Madlax parent care what a guy thinks if they are leaving?

Why do you care what I pay? Isn't that my businesss?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you care what I pay? Isn't that my businesss?

Well that was in response to the person who said Madlax parents pay 2X as much as the other club parents. But by the tone of your post I am guess you pay lots of money to play 3D or FCA but you would like that subject not to hit this board.

The Madlax 2020 team that was in the fl$/3D event in Delaware should not have been entered. It was useless for them and the teams that played against them. Their parents should get half of their money back for whatever they paid to be on that team. Complete cash grab.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax 2020 team that was in the fl$/3D event in Delaware should not have been entered. It was useless for them and the teams that played against them. Their parents should get half of their money back for whatever they paid to be on that team. Complete cash grab.

Welcome to Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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So is there anything they can do to make you happy.

Do it like every other Showcase. Make it just one day and make the people pay for just 1 day like everyone else.

Stop gauging people to pay for 2 days when the 2nd day is a complete waste of time and money. But there are always new people to recruiting and they get suckered into paying for the 2nd day.

Ok I hear what you are saying. But lets do this. The team tournament on Sunday is 100% legit and will be packed with coaches. I agree they are there to see the Hill, Landon, or the other top high school teams playing. But I have been to these other "recruiting tournaments and seen 1 or less coaches on some of the games sidelines. So with this being said if when these two teams from Sat play on Sunday. Someone please count the number of coaches on the sideline. So in your opinion how many coaches on the sideline would be worth you paying the 100$ to play on this Sunday with a Showcase team. To me if 5 coaches or more on on the sideline it is worth the money if their is less then 5 for this game please come back on here and bash away and I will agree with you.

Different guy, but our team ten was near the field where the Showcase teams were playing. I looked over several times and didn't see a single college cosch on the sidelines at that field. Not one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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So is there anything they can do to make you happy.

Do it like every other Showcase. Make it just one day and make the people pay for just 1 day like everyone else.

Stop gauging people to pay for 2 days when the 2nd day is a complete waste of time and money. But there are always new people to recruiting and they get suckered into paying for the 2nd day.

Ok I hear what you are saying. But lets do this. The team tournament on Sunday is 100% legit and will be packed with coaches. I agree they are there to see the Hill, Landon, or the other top high school teams playing. But I have been to these other "recruiting tournaments and seen 1 or less coaches on some of the games sidelines. So with this being said if when these two teams from Sat play on Sunday. Someone please count the number of coaches on the sideline. So in your opinion how many coaches on the sideline would be worth you paying the 100$ to play on this Sunday with a Showcase team. To me if 5 coaches or more on on the sideline it is worth the money if their is less then 5 for this game please come back on here and bash away and I will agree with you.

Different guy, but our team ten was near the field where the Showcase teams were playing. I looked over several times and didn't see a single college cosch on the sidelines at that field. Not one.

Well if anyone can second this then it was not worth the money. Can you answer how many college coaches you did see? I had a feeling it would be hard for this group to be seen with the level of high school teams playing in this tournament it had to be hard for them to miss any of these other games to watch that group. But I would love to hear what everyone thought about the Sat. showcase. I felt like the talent and games where all equal and great. They had a high number of coaches watching every game. With only two fields and 16 coaches coaching the 8 teams plus the others not coaching the looks where there.

My son played on Sunday in the East Coast tournament at Landon with his school. I saw a small handful of college coaches present, but not at every game, and no more than 6 at any game. Contrast this with the NXT Boys Philly Showcase the day before that my son attended: Wall-to-wall coaches--often head coaches--lined up on the sidelines from most top D1 programs and many top D3 programs. There is no comparison in terms of exposure and NXT runs a very well-organized tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son played on Sunday in the East Coast tournament at Landon with his school. I saw a small handful of college coaches present, but not at every game, and no more than 6 at any game. Contrast this with the NXT Boys Philly Showcase the day before that my son attended: Wall-to-wall coaches--often head coaches--lined up on the sidelines from most top D1 programs and many top D3 programs. There is no comparison in terms of exposure and NXT runs a very well-organized tournament.

Well this is very interesting. t=This Sunday event at Landon could not of had better high school Lacrosse teams all in one place. And the coaches were their but not in masses. But a showcase with individual players playing in a showcase format had wall to wall coaches. What does this tell us about the college coaches and the way they look for and find players? I say this tells us they really do care less about if your son is a team player. They want to see him showoff and display his size,speed and stick skills. They must know that in a team format a player could look better then he really is. And most coaches are cocky and think they can make any kid into a smart/team player. Does this information tell us picking the best club team is more important or less. Because this is a showcase the best players got invited because they played for the better clubs or the game tape they sent impressed? Would love to know others thoughts on this topic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son played on Sunday in the East Coast tournament at Landon with his school. I saw a small handful of college coaches present, but not at every game, and no more than 6 at any game. Contrast this with the NXT Boys Philly Showcase the day before that my son attended: Wall-to-wall coaches--often head coaches--lined up on the sidelines from most top D1 programs and many top D3 programs. There is no comparison in terms of exposure and NXT runs a very well-organized tournament.

Well this is very interesting. t=This Sunday event at Landon could not of had better high school Lacrosse teams all in one place. And the coaches were their but not in masses. But a showcase with individual players playing in a showcase format had wall to wall coaches. What does this tell us about the college coaches and the way they look for and find players? I say this tells us they really do care less about if your son is a team player. They want to see him showoff and display his size,speed and stick skills. They must know that in a team format a player could look better then he really is. And most coaches are cocky and think they can make any kid into a smart/team player. Does this information tell us picking the best club team is more important or less. Because this is a showcase the best players got invited because they played for the better clubs or the game tape they sent impressed? Would love to know others thoughts on this topic.

If you think coaches don't care how guys play in a team setting, you really are delusional.

The Madlax event had several very excellent teams in attendance, but it pales in comparison to the NHSLS. Half the teams at the Madlax event on Sunday got pummeled and were not competitive.

We stopped by on Sunday to see a son's friend play at Landon. It was not packed. Besides the assistant college coaches who were paid to coach teams, there were very few coaches watching.

Bad weekend as all the coaches were up in Philly. And we heard there were even fewer coaches on Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son played on Sunday in the East Coast tournament at Landon with his school. I saw a small handful of college coaches present, but not at every game, and no more than 6 at any game. Contrast this with the NXT Boys Philly Showcase the day before that my son attended: Wall-to-wall coaches--often head coaches--lined up on the sidelines from most top D1 programs and many top D3 programs. There is no comparison in terms of exposure and NXT runs a very well-organized tournament.

Well this is very interesting. t=This Sunday event at Landon could not of had better high school Lacrosse teams all in one place. And the coaches were their but not in masses. But a showcase with individual players playing in a showcase format had wall to wall coaches. What does this tell us about the college coaches and the way they look for and find players? I say this tells us they really do care less about if your son is a team player. They want to see him showoff and display his size,speed and stick skills. They must know that in a team format a player could look better then he really is. And most coaches are cocky and think they can make any kid into a smart/team player. Does this information tell us picking the best club team is more important or less. Because this is a showcase the best players got invited because they played for the better clubs or the game tape they sent impressed? Would love to know others thoughts on this topic.

If you think coaches don't care how guys play in a team setting, you really are delusional.

The Madlax event had several very excellent teams in attendance, but it pales in comparison to the NHSLS. Half the teams at the Madlax event on Sunday got pummeled and were not competitive.

We stopped by on Sunday to see a son's friend play at Landon. It was not packed. Besides the assistant college coaches who were paid to coach teams, there were very few coaches watching.

Bad weekend as all the coaches were up in Philly. And we heard there were even fewer coaches on Sunday.

Well please tell me why the coaches chose to attend a showcase format event and not attend a top tier team high school event?
You can say the NHSLS was better but this Madlax event had to be the 2nd best high school team event of the fall hands down. So why did the coaches not show up to this event in high numbers? What conclusion should I take from this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son played on Sunday in the East Coast tournament at Landon with his school. I saw a small handful of college coaches present, but not at every game, and no more than 6 at any game. Contrast this with the NXT Boys Philly Showcase the day before that my son attended: Wall-to-wall coaches--often head coaches--lined up on the sidelines from most top D1 programs and many top D3 programs. There is no comparison in terms of exposure and NXT runs a very well-organized tournament.

Well this is very interesting. t=This Sunday event at Landon could not of had better high school Lacrosse teams all in one place. And the coaches were their but not in masses. But a showcase with individual players playing in a showcase format had wall to wall coaches. What does this tell us about the college coaches and the way they look for and find players? I say this tells us they really do care less about if your son is a team player. They want to see him showoff and display his size,speed and stick skills. They must know that in a team format a player could look better then he really is. And most coaches are cocky and think they can make any kid into a smart/team player. Does this information tell us picking the best club team is more important or less. Because this is a showcase the best players got invited because they played for the better clubs or the game tape they sent impressed? Would love to know others thoughts on this topic.

If you think coaches don't care how guys play in a team setting, you really are delusional.

The Madlax event had several very excellent teams in attendance, but it pales in comparison to the NHSLS. Half the teams at the Madlax event on Sunday got pummeled and were not competitive.

We stopped by on Sunday to see a son's friend play at Landon. It was not packed. Besides the assistant college coaches who were paid to coach teams, there were very few coaches watching.

Bad weekend as all the coaches were up in Philly. And we heard there were even fewer coaches on Sunday.

Well please tell me why the coaches chose to attend a showcase format event and not attend a top tier team high school event?
You can say the NHSLS was better but this Madlax event had to be the 2nd best high school team event of the fall hands down. So why did the coaches not show up to this event in high numbers? What conclusion should I take from this?

I'd say most of the top D1 coaches were at the Philly event. No joke, it was packed, especially for the all star games with ~100+ coaches lining both side lines. NXT announced that over 150 coaches were at the Philly event. NXT will publish a list of coaches. Take a look at the rosters from the Landon showcase events, filled mostly with B level players and many of the Madlax 2020 players who were probably forced to participate because its a Madlax event. Too bad for them, they really missed out by not going to Philly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son played on Sunday in the East Coast tournament at Landon with his school. I saw a small handful of college coaches present, but not at every game, and no more than 6 at any game. Contrast this with the NXT Boys Philly Showcase the day before that my son attended: Wall-to-wall coaches--often head coaches--lined up on the sidelines from most top D1 programs and many top D3 programs. There is no comparison in terms of exposure and NXT runs a very well-organized tournament.

Well this is very interesting. t=This Sunday event at Landon could not of had better high school Lacrosse teams all in one place. And the coaches were their but not in masses. But a showcase with individual players playing in a showcase format had wall to wall coaches. What does this tell us about the college coaches and the way they look for and find players? I say this tells us they really do care less about if your son is a team player. They want to see him showoff and display his size,speed and stick skills. They must know that in a team format a player could look better then he really is. And most coaches are cocky and think they can make any kid into a smart/team player. Does this information tell us picking the best club team is more important or less. Because this is a showcase the best players got invited because they played for the better clubs or the game tape they sent impressed? Would love to know others thoughts on this topic.

If you think coaches don't care how guys play in a team setting, you really are delusional.

The Madlax event had several very excellent teams in attendance, but it pales in comparison to the NHSLS. Half the teams at the Madlax event on Sunday got pummeled and were not competitive.

We stopped by on Sunday to see a son's friend play at Landon. It was not packed. Besides the assistant college coaches who were paid to coach teams, there were very few coaches watching.

Bad weekend as all the coaches were up in Philly. And we heard there were even fewer coaches on Sunday.

Well please tell me why the coaches chose to attend a showcase format event and not attend a top tier team high school event?
You can say the NHSLS was better but this Madlax event had to be the 2nd best high school team event of the fall hands down. So why did the coaches not show up to this event in high numbers? What conclusion should I take from this?

According to my friend, Saturday's event wasn't much better. That weekend - Saturday and Sunday - has been taken over by the Philly Showcase on Saturday and the Philly Team Invitational on Sunday. All the coaches go to that event now. Nothing else is going to draw coaches except for a few schools (mostly D3) that are located near the event. NLF had some, but not a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son played on Sunday in the East Coast tournament at Landon with his school. I saw a small handful of college coaches present, but not at every game, and no more than 6 at any game. Contrast this with the NXT Boys Philly Showcase the day before that my son attended: Wall-to-wall coaches--often head coaches--lined up on the sidelines from most top D1 programs and many top D3 programs. There is no comparison in terms of exposure and NXT runs a very well-organized tournament.

Well this is very interesting. t=This Sunday event at Landon could not of had better high school Lacrosse teams all in one place. And the coaches were their but not in masses. But a showcase with individual players playing in a showcase format had wall to wall coaches. What does this tell us about the college coaches and the way they look for and find players? I say this tells us they really do care less about if your son is a team player. They want to see him showoff and display his size,speed and stick skills. They must know that in a team format a player could look better then he really is. And most coaches are cocky and think they can make any kid into a smart/team player. Does this information tell us picking the best club team is more important or less. Because this is a showcase the best players got invited because they played for the better clubs or the game tape they sent impressed? Would love to know others thoughts on this topic.

If you think coaches don't care how guys play in a team setting, you really are delusional.

The Madlax event had several very excellent teams in attendance, but it pales in comparison to the NHSLS. Half the teams at the Madlax event on Sunday got pummeled and were not competitive.

We stopped by on Sunday to see a son's friend play at Landon. It was not packed. Besides the assistant college coaches who were paid to coach teams, there were very few coaches watching.

Bad weekend as all the coaches were up in Philly. And we heard there were even fewer coaches on Sunday.

Well please tell me why the coaches chose to attend a showcase format event and not attend a top tier team high school event?
You can say the NHSLS was better but this Madlax event had to be the 2nd best high school team event of the fall hands down. So why did the coaches not show up to this event in high numbers? What conclusion should I take from this?

According to my friend, Saturday's event wasn't much better. That weekend - Saturday and Sunday - has been taken over by the Philly Showcase on Saturday and the Philly Team Invitational on Sunday. All the coaches go to that event now. Nothing else is going to draw coaches except for a few schools (mostly D3) that are located near the event. NLF had some, but not a lot.

Ok so who ran the Philly showcase and what is their summer event? Will this event be the place to be? Please list the summer hot spots for this summer coming up so we all know before hand not after the fact like this fall.

Philly Summer Showcase, Crab Feast, Under Armour, Naptown Classic, MD young guns. If you teams are playing there - your kid will get seen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Philly Summer Showcase, Crab Feast, Under Armour, Naptown Classic, MD young guns. If you teams are playing there - your kid will get seen.

So these are all team based events? What about individual showcase style events? But thank you for the list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Philly Summer Showcase, Crab Feast, Under Armour, Naptown Classic, MD young guns. If you teams are playing there - your kid will get seen.

Need to include NLF on Long Island.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Philly Summer Showcase, Crab Feast, Under Armour, Naptown Classic, MD young guns. If you teams are playing there - your kid will get seen.

So these are all team based events? What about individual showcase style events? But thank you for the list.

The best summer showcases are Under Armour and Nike Jake Reed.

Jake Reed is declining, especially because of the break with 3d. Showtime is much more important than Jake Reed.

Just like the fall event, the Philly Summer version is both and Individual Showcase followed by a Team Invitational, all in one weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed is declining, especially because of the break with 3d. Showtime is much more important than Jake Reed.

Jake Reed used to take 3 weeks and include 5 fields at UMBC. Now they are down to 2 fields and only 2 weeks.

Too many other options for "showcases". Costs to lure college coaches to events getting higher.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed is declining, especially because of the break with 3d. Showtime is much more important than Jake Reed.

Jake Reed used to take 3 weeks and include 5 fields at UMBC. Now they are down to 2 fields and only 2 weeks.

Too many other options for "showcases". Costs to lure college coaches to events getting higher.

Big 4HHH is a good event June 17-18 as well

Madlax put profits ahead of kids? Say it isn't so!

I agree on the tournaments you suggest, including Big 4. The early Adrenaline event is very good as well. Under Armour is a great event, especially for the price. I did not think that the summer NXT event in Downingtown was that impressive. Not remotely close the the fall event. The summer event is late and the quality of teams is lower (most teams have shut down at that point). I have no experience with the MD Young Guns event.

Question, is Freestate still considered a good event?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax put profits ahead of kids? Say it isn't so!

You put you ego ahead of player's welfare? Say it isn't so, Trig!

How's the job search? Did you expand the geography to find a HS that doesn't know you, or is it Texas again?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax put profits ahead of kids? Say it isn't so!

You put you ego ahead of player's welfare? Say it isn't so, Trig!

How's the job search? Did you expand the geography to find a HS that doesn't know you, or is it Texas again?

Bizarre that anytime somebody mentions Madlax, you feel compelled to mention Trig. As if mentioning one lousy guy negates the other lousy guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax put profits ahead of kids? Say it isn't so!

You put you ego ahead of player's welfare? Say it isn't so, Trig!

How's the job search? Did you expand the geography to find a HS that doesn't know you, or is it Texas again?

Bizarre that anytime somebody mentions Madlax, you feel compelled to mention Trig. As if mentioning one lousy guy negates the other lousy guy.

I think 2 lousy guys is still 2 lousy guys.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

It's universally known that Madlax parents are the most obnoxious, but the Looney's parents on this forum are gunning for the #1 ranking.

Is Greasy Madlax Mom taken?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Greasy Madlax Mom taken?

She's married to Sweet Perm Guy

Cool. Thanx for the heads up.

Almost every Madlax kid that commits is a holdback.

Madlax is a rip-off bottom line...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is a rip-off bottom line...

90% of the kids in NOVA who commit to a D1 school plays for or has played for Madlax at some time in their life. Its fun to do every time you see a kid commit just google his name and put Madlax next to it and the roster and year/team will pop up. As for the cost. I will set this straight if you play for Madlax you will pay 1k to $1500 more compared to all other clubs per year. You will have the chance to play in 25% more games/practices or more compared to the other clubs. And if you are on the top Capital team you will play for a top 5 or 15 and at worst top 25 team in the country no matter the year. And just to point this out the parents are mostly big wig rich folk from private schools so to say the parents are bad fans is very far off. I find the parents need to cheer/yell more. Madlax as a whole plays a skill game and I never see any of the teams look for or bank on big hits to win games. Just my thoughts as a long time Madlax Mom

Are you trying to tell me that every kid on the Madlax 2020 team is going to play for a top 25 D1 team? I want some of what you are smoking. Even after the Episcopal holdbacks and other out of town kids they added, the team is still average per the Fall Results.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is a rip-off bottom line...

90% of the kids in NOVA who commit to a D1 school plays for or has played for Madlax at some time in their life. Its fun to do every time you see a kid commit just google his name and put Madlax next to it and the roster and year/team will pop up. As for the cost. I will set this straight if you play for Madlax you will pay 1k to $1500 more compared to all other clubs per year. You will have the chance to play in 25% more games/practices or more compared to the other clubs. And if you are on the top Capital team you will play for a top 5 or 15 and at worst top 25 team in the country no matter the year. And just to point this out the parents are mostly big wig rich folk from private schools so to say the parents are bad fans is very far off. I find the parents need to cheer/yell more. Madlax as a whole plays a skill game and I never see any of the teams look for or bank on big hits to win games. Just my thoughts as a long time Madlax Mom

You're not fooling anybody.

1. You are not a mom, you're the psycho dad who used to post here all the time.

2. You are not physiologically a woman (though you do act like a b***h.)

3. 90% of the NOVA commits did not play for Madlax at one time. Not even close.

4. You are the only one who would ever rush to the PC and type a kids name and Madlax. You are a total creep.

5. There is a reason why most of Madlax's top kids leave for BW, Crabs and VLC when they hit HS. Their parents either realize that kids play in plenty of enough club, HS and individual events that they don't need to pay 2x the cost of other clubs. The rest have fed up with the owner's BS.

6. You actually said that the parents are mostly big wig (sic) rich folk so there they aren't "bad fans". LOL.

Why kind of creep tries to convince people he's a Mom. Freak.

Looks like Trig is out of rehab

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Trig is out of rehab

My son graduated years ago, but I would much rather him play for Trig than this whackjob.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Trig out of Rehab?? Ungrateful quitter Coach?? Whats next?? what is going on in DMV ??

Here's what going on:

Madlax sent their 11th and best 10th grade team to the NXT tournament and the team went 0-3-1, outscored 43-27.

Madlax sent their 9th/10th team to a tournament in OHIO, put them in the B bracket and the team went 0-4, outscored 45-24.

Madlax sent their 7th/8th team to the same tournament in OHIO and they went 1-3. Team was outscored 34-13 (winning their only game by 1 goal).

Those 3 teams went a combined 1-10-1 and was outscored 122-64. At Madlax's own tournament last month, they went 7-5 103-98.

Madlax charges $1275 for this experience as says their box program is one of the strongest in the US.

Wow. LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's what going on:

Madlax sent their 11th and best 10th grade team to the NXT tournament and the team went 0-3-1, outscored 43-27.

Madlax sent their 9th/10th team to a tournament in OHIO, put them in the B bracket and the team went 0-4, outscored 45-24.

Madlax sent their 7th/8th team to the same tournament in OHIO and they went 1-3. Team was outscored 34-13 (winning their only game by 1 goal).

Those 3 teams went a combined 1-10-1 and was outscored 122-64. At Madlax's own tournament last month, they went 7-5 103-98.

Madlax charges $1275 for this experience as says their box program is one of the strongest in the US.

Wow. LOL.

You just posted Box Records? This is just for extra stick time for kids who can not play to much lacrosse. Read the names on these roster and compare them to the Summer rosters not the same names.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you trying to tell me that every kid on the Madlax 2020 team is going to play for a top 25 D1 team? I want some of what you are smoking. Even after the Episcopal holdbacks and other out of town kids they added, the team is still average per the Fall Results.

I am not the best with the written word but your reading comprehension is really bad. I never said all Madlax players go D1. I said most of the kids who go D1 have played for a Madlax team at some time in their life. And the other guy did catch me I am not a MOM I just added that to the end to see people lose their minds. So much fun to poke people to see them jump.

Madlax FOGO from Episcopal is repeating 9th grade. Yep, you read that right. NINTH grade. That would go in the ridiculous column as far as holdbacks go.

At least the Mater Dei >> Prep/Landon crowd repeats in 8th grade. 9th grade? Come On Man.

So if you say the position, High School and club team its ok. You should just go ahead and put his address and full name. I get you do not like holdbacks but this is a kid no matter how old he is now. I wish you would write back with your full name and your sons club and high school. You can just put his position and grad year and we will figure it out who he is!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax FOGO from Episcopal is repeating 9th grade. Yep, you read that right. NINTH grade. That would go in the ridiculous column as far as holdbacks go.

At least the Mater Dei >> Prep/Landon crowd repeats in 8th grade. 9th grade? Come On Man.

Repeating for athletic advantage is unethical at any age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax FOGO from Episcopal is repeating 9th grade. Yep, you read that right. NINTH grade. That would go in the ridiculous column as far as holdbacks go.

At least the Mater Dei >> Prep/Landon crowd repeats in 8th grade. 9th grade? Come On Man.

How is 9th grade so different from 8th and what about the toon of kids who PG??! Seriously talk about something more important. When you play at the HS level or college level your not on age base or grade base programs anymore -...

So if you say the position, High School and club team its ok. You should just go ahead and put his address and full name. I get you do not like holdbacks but this is a kid no matter how old he is now. I wish you would write back with your full name and your sons club and high school. You can just put his position and grad year and we will figure it out who he is!
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I'll let you put your full name on first, champ. No need for me to bring my kid into it. He plays on age. Not trying to get an advantage or game the system. That's the difference.

Delusional response

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's what going on:

Madlax sent their 11th and best 10th grade team to the NXT tournament and the team went 0-3-1, outscored 43-27.

Madlax sent their 9th/10th team to a tournament in OHIO, put them in the B bracket and the team went 0-4, outscored 45-24.

Madlax sent their 7th/8th team to the same tournament in OHIO and they went 1-3. Team was outscored 34-13 (winning their only game by 1 goal).

Those 3 teams went a combined 1-10-1 and was outscored 122-64. At Madlax's own tournament last month, they went 7-5 103-98.

Madlax charges $1275 for this experience as says their box program is one of the strongest in the US.

Wow. LOL.

Update: their 6th grade team went to the Philadelphia tournament as well. They went 0-4. They were outscored 39-11.

So for the Madlax box tournament season, the one that they claim is one of the best in the Nation, they went a combined 1-14-1 and were outscored 142-109.

This is not their rec box league. This is their program that they charge each kid $1275. Money well spent. It seems like the quality of their program is really plummeting.

Madlax has more holdbacks than anyone, including the Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax FOGO from Episcopal is repeating 9th grade. Yep, you read that right. NINTH grade. That would go in the ridiculous column as far as holdbacks go.

At least the Mater Dei >> Prep/Landon crowd repeats in 8th grade. 9th grade? Come On Man.

That is nothing. The St. Stephen's FOGO is also a Madlax kid. was a freshman at a VA public school, but he repeated 9th at St. Stephen's.

Par for the course for Madlax.

I am no fan of Madlax, but you have no idea what you are talking about.

Neither the Madlax teams that participated in the local box league, nor
the "Northstars" teams are Madlax field teams. They are a mixture of players that do not play on Madlax teams in the spring and summer as well as players from the Madlax A and B Teams. To infer anything about the Madlax program based on box results
is misinformed at best.

News Flash: Authorities agree that rehab didn't work for TRIG!

Obvious that he has a lot of time on his hands...

Many of these kids making visits.

So when you were listening to that family's conversation about whether or not for their son to go away to an academically challenging boarding-only high school, did they explain to you all the factors that went into repeating 9th grade?

Plus, it's high school ball. The only classes are Varsity and JV.

Episcopal is grades 9-12 moron.

It's amazing how many families that Madlax is controlling by making their kids holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am no fan of Madlax, but you have no idea what you are talking about.

Neither the Madlax teams that participated in the local box league, nor
the "Northstars" teams are Madlax field teams. They are a mixture of players that do not play on Madlax teams in the spring and summer as well as players from the Madlax A and B Teams. To infer anything about the Madlax program based on box results
is misinformed at best.

On the Madlax page, they say "Capital North Stars are now recognized as one of the strongest program (sic) in the US".

If I read that and plunked down $1275, I would be pretty upset with a combined 1-14-1 and being outscored 142-109.

I talked to a friend and he is not pleased with the quality of the program or coaching.

coaching is so over rated at Madlax kids right out of college have no idea how to deal with kids and parents...Wait they don't talk to parents...but they CASH YOUR CHECK.

Are you paid to complain?

Must be tryout time again for Blackwolf or VLC. Posters have no idea what they are talking about

Anyone have something productive to add?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must be tryout time again for Blackwolf or VLC. Posters have no idea what they are talking about

Anyone have something productive to add?

BW and VLC had their tryouts in the fall. Madlax is the only one that has tryouts throughout the year to replace kids who've left.

How about addressing how their box program went 1-10-1? Do you really think that's worth $1275?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must be tryout time again for Blackwolf or VLC. Posters have no idea what they are talking about

Anyone have something productive to add?

BW and VLC had their tryouts in the fall. Madlax is the only one that has tryouts throughout the year to replace kids who've left.

How about addressing how their box program went 1-10-1? Do you really think that's worth $1275?

VLC and (what's left of) Blackwolf kids thought it was...if they make Madlax teams this Spring/Summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must be tryout time again for Blackwolf or VLC. Posters have no idea what they are talking about

Anyone have something productive to add?

BW and VLC had their tryouts in the fall. Madlax is the only one that has tryouts throughout the year to replace kids who've left.

How about addressing how their box program went 1-10-1? Do you really think that's worth $1275?

No one is happy that the BOX team went 1-10-1 but please name one program that is even trying to put box teams together to play up north in these real box tournaments. You would have a point it VLC and BW or 3D had a NOVA,DC or southern MD team but they do not. So yes they did not do well but that is more on the local talent not buying into Box lacrosse and its value. Not on Madlax for offering it. Step one get invited to the best or close to the best box tournaments this step is complete. Step two have the best players sign up and play this step has not been completed.

Just stating Facts...revolving door of coaches no communication with parents or players. Its about the money with madlax that CASE is BS...just the facts...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just stating Facts...revolving door of coaches no communication with parents or players. Its about the money with madlax that CASE is BS...just the facts...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just stating Facts...revolving door of coaches no communication with parents or players. Its about the money with madlax that CASE is BS...just the facts...

Yes you are correct Madlax does not baby and tell you, You are great every day. They do their best to put the best players in the best tournaments and games at all times. No matter what your last name is or where you go to school. You can argue about the Blue/second teams at each grade level as money makers. This is correct. But the Capital/top teams are all worth the money and you can really not argue with the results. If you want to argue that its the player not the club that gets the kid a D1 spot then you should just play rec and school ball for free or really cheap and not play BW,VLC or Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just stating Facts...revolving door of coaches no communication with parents or players. Its about the money with madlax that CASE is BS...just the facts...

Junior was a benchwarmer...just the facts

I love the 2017 version of youth sports. The coaches need to talk and make the parents happy. Why? The coach does not spend one on one time with my kid? Did your son ask the coach a question or ask for extra help with a skill or play? My son has been taught to speak up for himself and has always asked questions and got extra instruction from all his Madlax coaches.
And to to think a good club coach/owner needs to lie and over hype your son to a college coach from a team he does not feel he has the skill to play for. Why do you think this is what you are paying for?

starter...fact

This is such crap. Club and private schools are for the parents. If you saved the money from private school and club then you would no need a scholarship to college. The ROI on the money, if invested correctly, would more than pay for one of the great schools. Sports does teach important life lessons but parents and money making clubs have cause youth sports to go into the toilet. I guess Proverbs 14,15 had it right, �a fool and his money are soon parted.� His motto is: �Don't confuse me with the facts; I have my own opinions.� In fact, the fool delights in airing his opinions. If challenged on his opinions, he is often quick to lose his temper. His hard-headed.

Truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just stating Facts...revolving door of coaches no communication with parents or players. Its about the money with madlax that CASE is BS...just the facts...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just stating Facts...revolving door of coaches no communication with parents or players. Its about the money with madlax that CASE is BS...just the facts...

Yes you are correct Madlax does not baby and tell you, You are great every day. They do their best to put the best players in the best tournaments and games at all times. No matter what your last name is or where you go to school. You can argue about the Blue/second teams at each grade level as money makers. This is correct. But the Capital/top teams are all worth the money and you can really not argue with the results. If you want to argue that its the player not the club that gets the kid a D1 spot then you should just play rec and school ball for free or really cheap and not play BW,VLC or Madlax.

Madlad has excellent 2018 and 2019 team. The other teams are trending downwards. As for your "the best players play", that is the same at BW, VLC or any other legitimate club. Not a differentiator for Madlax.

You admit the B teams are there just for money. So that contradicts your assetion that Madlax is not about the money.

Did this program really designate some teams as AAA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did this program really designate some teams as AAA?

Teams do this to show these teams enter the best of the best tournaments. Its marketing. And once again the top three clubs are VLC,Madlax and BW. In no real order. Madlax cost the most but they play/practice the most this is a fact. Any of the three is a fine option. I tell people to look at all three see were your son fits in the best plays the most. Your son has to earn the D1 spot with his play on the field. All three of these teams will put him on the correct field. As DMV parents we are fools for bashing any of these three clubs. There are more then 60 stud players at each grad year in the DMV area so we should support and push kids to these top three teams. I would argue that the talent does drop off at the 61 to 80 number for true great to really good players. But what is best for the area is to have the true top 60 playing for these 3 top teams. Not spread out over 4 to 6 teams. This does not help anyone's kid from this top 60 players group.

I will tell you this, Madlax alone will not get you to D1. What they will do is get you looked at. If you pull up the roster of any top 20 D1 lacrosse team they are full of private schools not public. In order too be looked at you have to have everything including Private School and Elite Club. To prove my point show me one early commit prior to 9th grade that goes to public school. All clubs have ups and downs but as a prior Madlax parent they are expensive but worth it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is such crap. Club and private schools are for the parents. If you saved the money from private school and club then you would no need a scholarship to college. The ROI on the money, if invested correctly, would more than pay for one of the great schools. Sports does teach important life lessons but parents and money making clubs have cause youth sports to go into the toilet. I guess Proverbs 14,15 had it right, �a fool and his money are soon parted.� His motto is: �Don't confuse me with the facts; I have my own opinions.� In fact, the fool delights in airing his opinions. If challenged on his opinions, he is often quick to lose his temper. His hard-headed.

Truth.

Guess your kid didn't get into private school and was cut from club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I will tell you this, Madlax alone will not get you to D1. What they will do is get you looked at. If you pull up the roster of any top 20 D1 lacrosse team they are full of private schools not public. In order too be looked at you have to have everything including Private School and Elite Club. To prove my point show me one early commit prior to 9th grade that goes to public school. All clubs have ups and downs but as a prior Madlax parent they are expensive but worth it.

Is this worth it?

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I will tell you this, Madlax alone will not get you to D1. What they will do is get you looked at. If you pull up the roster of any top 20 D1 lacrosse team they are full of private schools not public. In order too be looked at you have to have everything including Private School and Elite Club. To prove my point show me one early commit prior to 9th grade that goes to public school. All clubs have ups and downs but as a prior Madlax parent they are expensive but worth it.

Is this worth it?

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

For the love of god this is so so old at this point. His 5 year prison sentence is over. This kid is what a Sr. or a freshman in college at this point. Once again this story leaves out the emails sent to the Madlax owner its only one side of the story. Please show me a email like these from 2015 to 2017? Move on sir. Move on How long is Trigs prison sentence for H2O gate?

We are from Philly and have played against Cabell. Nice enough guy and quality coach. Would agree, all of us make mistakes in life and have less than shining moments. Look at Bates from Princeton, and he just started as HC for Episcooal Academy down the street from us. Sure he wishes he could take but what he did in an ill advised moment....but wish him nothing but success.

I would disagree with the private school pre-requisite for top DI schools. The #2 recruit in the country (recently bumped from #1 from Bubba reclassifying) is from a public school and so was Michael Sowers Princeton, USA U19 Team, and all around elite player. The kid from his team Rapine that just started at Hopkins is also a public school kid. The trend while definitely historical is definitely seeing a seismic shift as the game gains popularity. These are just Philly kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are from Philly and have played against Cabell. Nice enough guy and quality coach. Would agree, all of us make mistakes in life and have less than shining moments. Look at Bates from Princeton, and he just started as HC for Episcooal Academy down the street from us. Sure he wishes he could take but what he did in an ill advised moment....but wish him nothing but success.

I would disagree with the private school pre-requisite for top DI schools. The #2 recruit in the country (recently bumped from #1 from Bubba reclassifying) is from a public school and so was Michael Sowers Princeton, USA U19 Team, and all around elite player. The kid from his team Rapine that just started at Hopkins is also a public school kid. The trend while definitely historical is definitely seeing a seismic shift as the game gains popularity. These are just Philly kids.

LOL. You must be from Philly if you think the Madlax owner is a nice guy. Ask college coaches what they think of him.

As for a "5 year sentence", that is funny. It is far from the 1st or last time he has threatened his own clients.

I judge people from my interaction with them and not on hearsay. Sure that email has become part of youth lacrosse lore and certainly an unflattering portrayal of him. But as a bystander from the outside looking in there seems to be a bit of an agenda to denigrate...why the animosity?

Where is the media coverage of H2O Gate? Has anyone looked into the REAL reason that Trig was let go at SJC? That's current news! Madlax perking along, teams actually got stronger after that story came out.

It remains to be seen if BW will even exist. Players leaving in droves. Coach cant keep a HS job for 3 months. No reasonable parent would let their kid play for Trig after SJC and H2O gate.

Do your homework...SJC AD wishes he had!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I judge people from my interaction with them and not on hearsay. Sure that email has become part of youth lacrosse lore and certainly an unflattering portrayal of him. But as a bystander from the outside looking in there seems to be a bit of an agenda to denigrate...why the animosity?

Not heresay. We got the same treatment. Our friends did as well. They had an older son who was happy with Madlax, but the younger one wanted a change. He kicked the older one out as well during a crucial time.

Benchwarmer...good players do NOT get "kicked out".

Madlax will always take your money-equal rip off club

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax will always take your money-equal rip off club

All clubs will take your money to imply they are not like the rest is just not correct. I have asked many times before for people from all these clubs to add up and post the total of their clubs fees and costs for each season or year on this site also put the total of practices and tournaments this cost gets you. I am guessing Madlax will be near or at the top but I am also very sure the other clubs will be very close in total cost. And this should not be hard at all because if you can commit about how over priced and to much money Madlax is you should be able to say the name of your club and the total cost of this club. So I will sit back and not get these answers and you all will sit back and just spit out over and over how over priced Madlax is without putting any numbers to back up your words.

Madlax earns Championship trophies, VLC gives players trophies and BW--does BW even exist??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax earns Championship trophies, VLC gives players trophies and BW--does BW even exist??

I wouldn't brag about a club that has 1-2 extra B teams per grade just to line his pockets. No doubt a dumb dad who lives to polish his son's trophies every weekend. It will be painful for him years from now when he realizes that getting better and getting the opportunity to play at the next level (and attend a school you might not get into otherwise) is the goal, not a tournament championship that nobody cares about.

Madlax VA and MD. LOL. That's what I call trophy chasing. You're much better off playing for BW or VLC if you can get picked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax earns Championship trophies, VLC gives players trophies and BW--does BW even exist??

I wouldn't brag about a club that has 1-2 extra B teams per grade just to line his pockets. No doubt a dumb dad who lives to polish his son's trophies every weekend. It will be painful for him years from now when he realizes that getting better and getting the opportunity to play at the next level (and attend a school you might not get into otherwise) is the goal, not a tournament championship that nobody cares about.

Madlax VA and MD. LOL. That's what I call trophy chasing. You're much better off playing for BW or VLC if you can get picked.

If you make a Madlax Capital this is your best option. As for the Madlax VA and MD teams they are below VLC and BW, but they are the 4th best option. That is the real point. if you can not make Captial, VLC or BW the Madlax state teams are the 4th best option.
I also like how them providing 20 to 25 extra kids a place to play lacrosse and play in good to really good tournaments is a bad thing. Yes I wish they would drop the price on the state teams.

Agree, Madlax B is the 4th best option. But expect Next Level and DC Express to dilute the overall quality of the B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree, Madlax B is the 4th best option. But expect Next Level and DC Express to dilute the overall quality of the B team.

These dilute the Maryland quality kids who should be playing on the 4th best team. That is why if you look at the Madlax teams they have really gone down to a Capital team and a MD/VA team. They have the option to make 3 teams but the numbers are not there to put 3 teams at most grade levels. But I think this site is a good place to argue out a top ten of options for kids to play for. I would say there is 200 kids at each grad level in the DMV who want to/can play travel lacrosse. So we should stop arguing about who is 1 or 2 and expand the list to the top 8 or 10 clubs/teams you should be playing for. This would give a better data set for us parents to work from. I asked most parents to name 10 club teams in the DMV and they can not do it.

Blackwolf, VLC and Madlax

Next Level, DC Express, Club Blue, Bethesda

Top Caliber, Fierce Nation, VEL, Cavalier, Eagle Knight, 3D, Prospects Lacrosse, BattleLax, Evergreen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you make a Madlax Capital this is your best option.

Wrong. It depends on the year.

2018: Madlax has the best team, but not by a lot over either BW or VLC
2019: Madlax has clearly the best team. Then BW then VLC
2020: Both BW and VLC have better teams than Madlax. Next Level probably the best in the DMV right now for that grade.
2021: None of the teams in the area are that great. Bethesda/DC Express is the best if they stay together.

Madlax has an advantage over BW and VLC since they field younger teams and get kids earlier. But those kids peel off, especially when they hit HS.

You have to do your research. No club anywhere is the best for every single grade.

Some of the State teams are a big step down from the Capital teams. But that can be a good thing for some kids. I know a 6th grader that wasn't ready for the Capital team last year. Did his time on the State team -- was the big fish in the small pond -- and he just made 7th grade Capital team. As a parent, I would rather my kid play for the state team and work towards making the Capital team then jump ship for a lesser program just so my kid can brag that he made the "A" team.

Madlax 2018 is maybe the best team in the US....them or Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of the State teams are a big step down from the Capital teams. But that can be a good thing for some kids. I know a 6th grader that wasn't ready for the Capital team last year. Did his time on the State team -- was the big fish in the small pond -- and he just made 7th grade Capital team. As a parent, I would rather my kid play for the state team and work towards making the Capital team then jump ship for a lesser program just so my kid can brag that he made the "A" team.

I agree fully with this. The concept that Madlax has with them working to make the Capital team is better for the kids to learn to work hard to improve.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blackwolf, VLC and Madlax

Next Level, DC Express, Club Blue, Bethesda

Top Caliber, Fierce Nation, VEL, Cavalier, Eagle Knight, 3D, Prospects Lacrosse, BattleLax, Evergreen

I like this list can you please add where you think the Madlax state team falls in this list. I would say it falls somewhere on the second line with Next level and those others.

Madlax state team would be the last team ranked. They are a overpriced Rec team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax state team would be the last team ranked. They are a overpriced Rec team

This statement is just not correct. They beat most if not all the teams from the 3rd list and play close or beat teams in the 2nd list. Once again please post the total cost plus practices and tournaments played in for all the clubs on this list. Then you may call Madlax overpriced. Until you do this your clearly just someone who bashes Madlax because of some grudge you hold.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of the State teams are a big step down from the Capital teams. But that can be a good thing for some kids. I know a 6th grader that wasn't ready for the Capital team last year. Did his time on the State team -- was the big fish in the small pond -- and he just made 7th grade Capital team. As a parent, I would rather my kid play for the state team and work towards making the Capital team then jump ship for a lesser program just so my kid can brag that he made the "A" team.

I agree fully with this. The concept that Madlax has with them working to make the Capital team is better for the kids to learn to work hard to improve.

I would rather my son play for any club than a club that threatens its own clients. Why pay 2x the money for a club that treats people like garbage when there are just as good/better clubs like BW and VLC?

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2018 is maybe the best team in the US....them or Crabs.

No.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blackwolf, VLC and Madlax

Next Level, DC Express, Club Blue, Bethesda

Top Caliber, Fierce Nation, VEL, Cavalier, Eagle Knight, 3D, Prospects Lacrosse, BattleLax, Evergreen

I like this list can you please add where you think the Madlax state team falls in this list. I would say it falls somewhere on the second line with Next level and those others.

Depending on year, Madlax state teams are between 2nd and 3rd tier, but you kid can play his way onto Capital teams. Capital teams are clearly at top, with VLC being 2nd best option.

Rumors swirling in community on Trig/BW. Buyer beware

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Capital teams are clearly at top, with VLC being 2nd best option.

Rumors swirling in community on Trig/BW. Buyer beware

Depends on the year. Their 2020 and 20201 teams are below VLC. Next Level/DC Express clearly hurting Madlax right now. For the older teams, only Madlax 2018 and 2019 teams are at the top. The other years have belonged to BW and VLC.

If BW goes under, most of those kids would go to VLC because their parents want nothing to do with Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of the State teams are a big step down from the Capital teams. But that can be a good thing for some kids. I know a 6th grader that wasn't ready for the Capital team last year. Did his time on the State team -- was the big fish in the small pond -- and he just made 7th grade Capital team. As a parent, I would rather my kid play for the state team and work towards making the Capital team then jump ship for a lesser program just so my kid can brag that he made the "A" team.

I agree fully with this. The concept that Madlax has with them working to make the Capital team is better for the kids to learn to work hard to improve.

I would rather my son play for any club than a club that threatens its own clients. Why pay 2x the money for a club that treats people like garbage when there are just as good/better clubs like BW and VLC?

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

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Clearly you're butt hurt over this article that's 4 years old. Why? Was it your son or a family friend or do you simply have an agenda?

What's the real truth here? Are you affiliated with another club?

And no...I'm not affiliated with MadLax.

Also, is Blackwolf even fielding younger teams such as 2022, 2023, etc...? I don't believe they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you make a Madlax Capital this is your best option.

Wrong. It depends on the year.

2018: Madlax has the best team, but not by a lot over either BW or VLC
2019: Madlax has clearly the best team. Then BW then VLC
2020: Both BW and VLC have better teams than Madlax. Next Level probably the best in the DMV right now for that grade.
2021: None of the teams in the area are that great. Bethesda/DC Express is the best if they stay together.

Madlax has an advantage over BW and VLC since they field younger teams and get kids earlier. But those kids peel off, especially when they hit HS.

You have to do your research. No club anywhere is the best for every single grade.

2020 is off - Next Level, Madlax, VLC or BW - based on head to head over the past year and a half.

watched Madlax 2023 play in a tournament in Germantown Md they have two players a foot taller then anyone else. When are tournaments going to STOP THE MADNESS and go back to birthdays. Hold backs are ruining the sport. Basketball went back to birthdays. And don't say in HS they have to play against these kids. Youth sports is not HS. Grade based teams are just cheating. And madlax lost both games but those two kids were Good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

watched Madlax 2023 play in a tournament in Germantown Md they have two players a foot taller then anyone else. When are tournaments going to STOP THE MADNESS and go back to birthdays. Hold backs are ruining the sport. Basketball went back to birthdays. And don't say in HS they have to play against these kids. Youth sports is not HS. Grade based teams are just cheating. And madlax lost both games but those two kids were Good.

You have no idea how old these two kids are? Is this correct? And they lost two games who did they lose to. And was this the Capital team or the MD/VA team? You may talk about things you do not like but you must provide more info or your points are just lies until you can confirm them.

They lost to Next level and Club Blue, Capital team. And I know what I'm talking about! I Don't lie Don't need too.

the 2023 Madlax Crapital team isn't a top 5 team in the DMV.

2022 Capital also got spanked by Bethesda. Confirming that 2023 Capital lost to both Next Level and Club Blue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They lost to Next level and Club Blue, Capital team. And I know what I'm talking about! I Don't lie Don't need too.

Ok so you are mad about the two kids you think Madlax had who because they are tall are holdback? But they played Next Level and Club Blue. I know that Club Blue seems to be a GT Prep feeder team. This is a private school most private schools have kids start school at 6 not 5 is this correct? Also Next Level this team tends to have a good number of Landon kids this also is a Private school who has the boys start school at 6 is this correct. So my point being I am glad you won but I would bet both these teams had 4 or more kids by age would not be able to play on these teams if the age rules where in affect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

watched Madlax 2023 play in a tournament in Germantown Md they have two players a foot taller then anyone else. When are tournaments going to STOP THE MADNESS and go back to birthdays. Hold backs are ruining the sport. Basketball went back to birthdays. And don't say in HS they have to play against these kids. Youth sports is not HS. Grade based teams are just cheating. And madlax lost both games but those two kids were Good.

FYI - a lot of kids, not all, at the age group associated with 2023 are going through puberty and its not unusual that you will have big disparities in size/height. And kids that are the outliers height wise usually are still having trouble adjusting to their frame. Most everyone (not all) will catch up sooner or later so loosen your strap and get the wad out of your back end and relax...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 Capital also got spanked by Bethesda. Confirming that 2023 Capital lost to both Next Level and Club Blue.

C'mon man. I hope you are 12, and not an adult. You are posting about preseason scrimmages that Madlax uses as tryouts for kids that might not even make team.

Madlax has more holdbacks than anyone and they are finally getting crap for it.

Except for their excellent 2018 and 2019 teams, Madlax has fielded weaker teams than either BW or VLC. Now Next Level and DC Express have taken away the non-Catholic Montgomery County kids Madlax used to get.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has more holdbacks than anyone and they are finally getting crap for it.

Except for their excellent 2018 and 2019 teams, Madlax has fielded weaker teams than either BW or VLC. Now Next Level and DC Express have taken away the non-Catholic Montgomery County kids Madlax used to get.

I will give you VLC has gotten better at the 2021 and younger ages. But when you guys put BW on the list you are just wrong. BW has only ever been good at the 9th to 11th grade age range. And those teams really are only for kids who are already in the pipe line for college lacrosse and play for top high school programs. Most of the big names of kids who are in college now who claim BW as there old Club team played for a total of 18 months for them and played in maybe 5 tournaments for them. That is why they only hand pick kids they fine kids who are already created and put them together for one summer.

BW is HISTORY.

Madlax is getting squeezed. Few Catholic families will send their kids to Madlax (most opt for BW or FCA). The kids they'd automatically get from Maryland are now going to NL or DC Express. The kids west and south of Fairfax are solidly for BW and VLC. Their base of kids continues to shrink.

BW has always been about HS. They never had a real youth program, but they always seem to get rising 9th graders who want to play for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

watched Madlax 2023 play in a tournament in Germantown Md they have two players a foot taller then anyone else. When are tournaments going to STOP THE MADNESS and go back to birthdays. Hold backs are ruining the sport. Basketball went back to birthdays. And don't say in HS they have to play against these kids. Youth sports is not HS. Grade based teams are just cheating. And madlax lost both games but those two kids were Good.

FYI - a lot of kids, not all, at the age group associated with 2023 are going through puberty and its not unusual that you will have big disparities in size/height. And kids that are the outliers height wise usually are still having trouble adjusting to their frame. Most everyone (not all) will catch up sooner or later so loosen your strap and get the wad out of your back end and relax...

If your TRUE 2023 kid is going through puberty already, he is the exception.

Who won the Bethesda/Madlax 2024 game today at Landon?

Next Level Teams are terrible - except 2020 - bottom of the AA group, but AA for sure and 2023 is a legit AA team / the rest are C level teams.

Kids not going to madlax from bethesda area - BLC so strong. DCE 2021 is first BLC fed DCE team - and legit AA - top 2 or 3 in HOCO. This will continue / no bethesda area kids will be playing for madlax or black wolf any longer. Crabs either. Landscape has shifted - can't just look backwards to tell future and even this new reality will change once something else shifts - only thing certain is change

Madlax

Score on 2024 Madlax/ Bethesda game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Score on 2024 Madlax/ Bethesda game?

7-2 madlax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level Teams are terrible - except 2020 - bottom of the AA group, but AA for sure and 2023 is a legit AA team / the rest are C level teams.

Kids not going to madlax from bethesda area - BLC so strong. DCE 2021 is first BLC fed DCE team - and legit AA - top 2 or 3 in HOCO. This will continue / no bethesda area kids will be playing for madlax or black wolf any longer. Crabs either. Landscape has shifted - can't just look backwards to tell future and even this new reality will change once something else shifts - only thing certain is change

Very few Montgomery County kids are going to go to Madlax. Fewer kids in that area will opt for BW (though some still will). Crabs? They will still get some kids from that area.

Madlax is the big loser if NL and DC Express can grow. Right now both clubs only have one good team.

I think Madlax will have to look to go NOVA heavy. If they work on a plan to pull the best 2 or 3 kids off the 2 tier clubs in NOVA they should be able to stay at or near the top at each age level. My suggestion to them is to lower the 2nd State teams fees to the same as the 2nd tier NOVA clubs. This way kids will have the price point of the lower clubs but if they get better as they get older they will be able to move up to the Capital team where the cost in my opinion is worth the money. Can someone provide the total year cost for VLC 2021. I have a way older son and would like compare what these two clubs are costing these days. Oh just do not put the cost, list what that money gets you. I think VLC is a fine club and is on par with Madlax depending what position your son plays and how much playing time he will get on each team.

The problem with trying to go NOVA heavy, is two-fold. First, your average family in Fairfax or Loudon can't foot the exhorbitant Madlax fees. The private school families in DC and MD have more disposable income. If in fact Madlax is losing the DC/MD market, that's the beginning of the end. Second, VLC has a strong corner on the public school market in Fairfax and Loudon. On my kid's 2021 team, there is one private school kid I'm aware of and that kid does not live in VA. Everyone else is public and lives in NOVA. VLC's costs are 1/2 of Madlax's.

Madlax's strength is McLean and Alexandria. Almost all the top youth kids from those areas play for Madlax, although many of them leave Madlax when they hit HS. Alexandria is very important to them which is why he lets that one Alexandria dad do whatever he wants including coaching his son's Madlax team. VLC seems to be very strong east of those areas, especially Fairfax and Loudoun. BW seems to get kids from random areas who don't mind the drive because they want to play for that guy. Cavalier has the Loudoun kids who can't make Madlax or VLC. 3d is dying because they can't put together a strong team.

Madlax and 3d are really expensive, much more than BW or VLC.

Madlax is done in Maryland. There CASE fee is BS. MD parents don't want to drive over the bridge. It's not convenient D.C. express is the new kid on the block. THERE IS NO NEED TO PLAY FOR THE CRAZY MAN. coaching is nothing special. Find a club close to your house.

So how are the Madlax summer tryouts looking? Do we have numbers and talent?

The top 2 or 3 Madlax 2023 players have decided to move onto the Crabs, (Tired of loosing).

They lost their best player last year to the Crabs too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The top 2 or 3 Madlax 2023 players have decided to move onto the Crabs, (Tired of loosing).

They lost their best player last year to the Crabs too

Ok we get it Madlax 2023 is weak. The really good point it why did these 3 or 4 players decide to pass up VLC,Next Level,91, Club blue, DC express, Hawks or any of the other clubs closer to the house? My guess is all of the NOVA 2023 teams are weak and these parents are looking out for the best of their sons. My son is not 2023 so I need people to talk to how good the 2023 NOVA clubs are.

Why no rosters on Madlax site yet? They have had 2 or 3 days of tryouts?

VLC doesn't have a 2023 team yet - they play on a combined 2022/2023 team. It might just be perception - when Madlax finally beat a Crabs team a few years ago (different age group) they made a huge deal about it. So they have always used Crabs as a measuring stick in my opinion. These parents must know that Club Blue beat Crabs in the HOCO finals this year, so it can't be that they believe Crabs is "the best" and nobody else is close. Club Blue, Hawks and Next Level were all close if not equal to Crabs this past HOCO season. And all of them were better than Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC doesn't have a 2023 team yet - they play on a combined 2022/2023 team. It might just be perception - when Madlax finally beat a Crabs team a few years ago (different age group) they made a huge deal about it. So they have always used Crabs as a measuring stick in my opinion. These parents must know that Club Blue beat Crabs in the HOCO finals this year, so it can't be that they believe Crabs is "the best" and nobody else is close. Club Blue, Hawks and Next Level were all close if not equal to Crabs this past HOCO season. And all of them were better than Madlax.

I don't think I'd say Hawks and NL were close to Crabs this season. Crabs beat NL 14-7 and Hawks only played one (Club Blue) of the top 5 teams during the regular season and they lost.

i was looking more at the playoffs. NL lost by 1 to the champ (Club Blue) - same as Crabs did that weekend. I believe Hawks lost by 1 to Club Blue during the regular season. I would say they are all pretty close given those results. I didn't see the 14-7 game but it looks more like an outlier given the scores of the rest of games.

But my overall point was those teams are close enough (given the multiple 1 goal games) that i doubt anyone would be headed to the Crabs because they are "the best" team at this age group. They didn't even win the league playoffs.

Now they might be the best team after adding the top players from Madlax! I guess we will find out this summer.

Madlax.com is not posting the rosters but tryouts were bad. Issue is more and more kids leaving for Crabs, NL, BW, VLC and DC Express.

Rosters are posted on the website now. They seem to have numbers on every team. We will see how good they are but they have the numbers. So until they do not have the numbers to field 2 teams they will keep moving along. For another 20 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax.com is not posting the rosters but tryouts were bad. Issue is more and more kids leaving for Crabs, NL, BW, VLC and DC Express.

I don't know what they expected but most clubs are committed for the year in August. Who has Summer only tryouts?

They have 3 tryouts a year. In spring for all the 8th grade and below kids. Then a Summer tryout and a Fall tryout at the same time as the other clubs. These two other tryout dates give the kids a chance to change clubs after a bad spring/summer or fall season with another club. It also allows the parents who are not locked into the travel lacrosse scene to tryout in the spring or summer. This would be the common sense time to tryout for a outdoor spring/summer sport. But to be honest it helps the parent/kid who is never happy with the club they are on a chance to change teams 3 times a year. But what I will promise you and I know some will argue but they do move and add or subtract kids from the top team at each of these tryouts. Madlax will always take the best players for the top teams. All travel sports have politics and I have seen first hand many sports and other travel lacrosse programs and Madlax by far does the best with taking the best and not who they like or who the kids parent is. I have seen them put a child of a stud former All-American player on the second team.

They also gave 2 dad's coaching their own kids. Just like rec ball.

delusional... MADLAX about the money and only about the money...They will drop a kid to bring another kid for the MONEY...club blue coming to town in Virginia it will be a mass exit from madlax.

I do not understand how dropping one kid and picking up another makes them more money? wouldn't that be the same amount of money in Madlaxs pocket. I agree Madlax should do the right thing and just drop the 2nd team for all ages. But if you are making the Capital team and picking another club you are making a bad choice most of the time. The Capital teams are being seen and all playing at a high level across the board. True they are all not top 5 but I would argue they are all top 10 in the country at each age level for sure.

They are not a top 10 team in the 2020 age group

Country???? Bold statement

Just guessing that them winning the Black card this weekend does not put them in the top 10? And just for fun lets say they are only top 15 or top 20 in the US. Can you agree all 70 plus D1 schools watch the top 20 club teams play games at a very good rate? And can we agree the 70 D1 schools do not care if you are on a 10th rank or 20th rank team. But can we agree they do not spend the time watching the clubs out side the top 10 or top 20 teams at a very good rate. My point is there is a value to playing for a top 20 or so club but to argue about 1 vs 9 is not worth it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would argue they are all top 10 in the country at each age level for sure.

No. Here is a list of Madlax teams that are not Top 10 material:

2017
2020
2021
2023

2018 and 2019 are very good and am told their 2024 team is too. But your statement is not true. If you go back further, their older teams that graduated were not top teams, either.

U can add 22 to the list.....see the trend........20, 21, 22, 23.......Cabell Team at 24 (outlier) .........25.....more kids staying with their clubs as they grow thru systems.

Madlax 2021 in the past has not been all that competitive, but that team is much improved and has beaten some very good teams in the last year and has had 1 goal losses to teams that most would consider to be top 5. Madlax 2021 may be top 10, and it may not. This summer likely will shed some light on that.

I think this a fair assessment of 2018 through 2024. Not so shoddy. I know a lot of programs that would kill for this track record.

2018 Top 5 in Nation
2019 Top 5 in Nation
2020 Not Top 10
2021 Top 10 in Nation (3rd in HoCo Elite)
2022 Top 10 in Nation (5th in HoCo Elite)
2023 Not Top 10
2024 Top 5 in Nation (1st in HoCo AA)

who cares...ranking youth teams and HS club...delusional...HS teams will become more important then clubs... and youth clubs, its about getting the tee shirt from the tournaments, the kids don't care.

I guess the real question is how many teams get the most chances to be seen by the D1 coaches. I would say top 20 teams for sure and as high as top 30 club teams get seen the most. So I would say being "ranked 2" or "ranked 25" in the country is really the same when it comes to being seen by D1 coaches. I would also say the cut off is being on a top 30 team at any grade group is a near must to be seen by multiple D1 coaches at a high rate. Any D1 kid that signs from a none top 30 club I would call a true standout athlete. I would bet he would fit the 6 foot plus stud, stands out no matter what the game looks like. I think the best way to prove my point is to look at Ty Xanders commitment list for 2018,2019 and 2020. This list has the club teams next to the names. So using this list of kids you can see there is about 30 club names that pop up double digit times on all three lists. So these are real numbers someone with lots of time please count it up for me and post it here.

While I agree with the above the key is what tournaments the club plays at more than the ranking. Even top D1 programs really have little in the way of recruiting resources and the tournaments provide easy access to a large group players looking to play at the next level. The coaches do not watch for the score and rarely watch the entire game. However, they may not attend a tournament if it does not have many of the top teams participating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While I agree with the above the key is what tournaments the club plays at more than the ranking. Even top D1 programs really have little in the way of recruiting resources and the tournaments provide easy access to a large group players looking to play at the next level. The coaches do not watch for the score and rarely watch the entire game. However, they may not attend a tournament if it does not have many of the top teams participating.

I think you are still inline with my thinking of a top 30. Because in my research of tournaments for each weekend of the summer I would say there is 2 maybe 3 worthwhile a weekend. So if each one has 10-15 teams per grade this would give you a top 30. So just to be safe lets try to come up with a Ranking of clubs for a top 25. This top 25 list for each grad year does really not need to be a 1 through 25, We as parents really just need a, "this club at this grad year is a top 25 team". Then once your son gets on this team just start to work on his game and getting better.

https://recruitingrundown.com/commitment-center/2018-commitments/

The following lists the 2018 class by clubs and I do not think the facts fit this narrative. You say we as parents really just need a confirmation that the club is top 25? "MadLax in my opinion is top 25." Does that work? I think rankings as they relate to recruiting however is a far different story. I know several college coaches and they are interested in recruiting players and not clubs. Parents should consider what they want or expect from a club carefully. In my opinion coaches do not go to tournaments not to "find" players but to watch a player they are already interested in. This interest in generated by a recommendation, a camp, or in most cases a player can email the coach directly. Even with the new rules it does not violate the rule for a player to email a coach and let them know "I am very interested in your program here is my summer schedule." With the limited resources, coaches do not want to waste time go after a player that is not interested or not a good fit for the school. If a player shows interest and is at the right tournament they will go and watch them play. This is where the club should be considered carefully. If a player is a third tier player on a strong club v. a star player on another club will this help or hurt? I see in many cases players choose a a club but they are there to help other players get recruited. It is fun to be on a top rated club but it may not be the best way to get recruited if you are a third attack or second line middie. Then again maybe that is exactly what the coach is looking for. There are some clubs with multiple recruits because they attract great players. The numbers do not support the idea that getting on a top 25 club is a sure fire way to recruitment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://recruitingrundown.com/commitment-center/2018-commitments/

The following lists the 2018 class by clubs and I do not think the facts fit this narrative. You say we as parents really just need a confirmation that the club is top 25? "MadLax in my opinion is top 25." Does that work? I think rankings as they relate to recruiting however is a far different story. I know several college coaches and they are interested in recruiting players and not clubs. Parents should consider what they want or expect from a club carefully. In my opinion coaches do not go to tournaments not to "find" players but to watch a player they are already interested in. This interest in generated by a recommendation, a camp, or in most cases a player can email the coach directly. Even with the new rules it does not violate the rule for a player to email a coach and let them know "I am very interested in your program here is my summer schedule." With the limited resources, coaches do not want to waste time go after a player that is not interested or not a good fit for the school. If a player shows interest and is at the right tournament they will go and watch them play. This is where the club should be considered carefully. If a player is a third tier player on a strong club v. a star player on another club will this help or hurt? I see in many cases players choose a a club but they are there to help other players get recruited. It is fun to be on a top rated club but it may not be the best way to get recruited if you are a third attack or second line middie. Then again maybe that is exactly what the coach is looking for. There are some clubs with multiple recruits because they attract great players. The numbers do not support the idea that getting on a top 25 club is a sure fire way to recruitment.

I think I understand your thoughts on recruiting. I agree its better to start on club ranked #25 and turn down the spot to be the 5th attackman on club ranked #4. I really like the point you made that our sons should be emailing all the schools still they want to play for. Even if they can not write you back tell sept 1st.
But I guess my question to you is my son has been offered 5th attackman spot on team ranked #25 or he can be a starter on club ranked #45 or lower? What should I do?

Another large factor in this guessing game is what is the size and speed of your son. My thoughts are if he is larger and really fast he can play for club ranked #70 and still go D1. But what is your thoughts on the best plan for a High IQ, high skill but smaller slower player? I would say this player needs to go for the highest ranking club he can get. He will have to prove he can play with the best players in front of the scouts as many times as possible. I would even say this kid should take the 5th attackman spot on the top team.

And why I got you here what are your thoughts on the committed kids skipping tournaments as related to the kids uncommitted on his team. I have heard two ways to look at it. The committed kid not being there gives another kid playing time to be seen. Or the other thought is when the committed kid skips the tournament in theory the team will do worse and the scouts will watch another game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://recruitingrundown.com/commitment-center/2018-commitments/

The following lists the 2018 class by clubs and I do not think the facts fit this narrative. You say we as parents really just need a confirmation that the club is top 25? "MadLax in my opinion is top 25." Does that work? I think rankings as they relate to recruiting however is a far different story. I know several college coaches and they are interested in recruiting players and not clubs. Parents should consider what they want or expect from a club carefully. In my opinion coaches do not go to tournaments not to "find" players but to watch a player they are already interested in. This interest in generated by a recommendation, a camp, or in most cases a player can email the coach directly. Even with the new rules it does not violate the rule for a player to email a coach and let them know "I am very interested in your program here is my summer schedule." With the limited resources, coaches do not want to waste time go after a player that is not interested or not a good fit for the school. If a player shows interest and is at the right tournament they will go and watch them play. This is where the club should be considered carefully. If a player is a third tier player on a strong club v. a star player on another club will this help or hurt? I see in many cases players choose a a club but they are there to help other players get recruited. It is fun to be on a top rated club but it may not be the best way to get recruited if you are a third attack or second line middie. Then again maybe that is exactly what the coach is looking for. There are some clubs with multiple recruits because they attract great players. The numbers do not support the idea that getting on a top 25 club is a sure fire way to recruitment.

I think I understand your thoughts on recruiting. I agree its better to start on club ranked #25 and turn down the spot to be the 5th attackman on club ranked #4. I really like the point you made that our sons should be emailing all the schools still they want to play for. Even if they can not write you back tell sept 1st.
But I guess my question to you is my son has been offered 5th attackman spot on team ranked #25 or he can be a starter on club ranked #45 or lower? What should I do?

Another large factor in this guessing game is what is the size and speed of your son. My thoughts are if he is larger and really fast he can play for club ranked #70 and still go D1. But what is your thoughts on the best plan for a High IQ, high skill but smaller slower player? I would say this player needs to go for the highest ranking club he can get. He will have to prove he can play with the best players in front of the scouts as many times as possible. I would even say this kid should take the 5th attackman spot on the top team.

And why I got you here what are your thoughts on the committed kids skipping tournaments as related to the kids uncommitted on his team. I have heard two ways to look at it. The committed kid not being there gives another kid playing time to be seen. Or the other thought is when the committed kid skips the tournament in theory the team will do worse and the scouts will watch another game.

First, I think you are asking the correct questions. The answer, however is not one size fits all. Different coaches have varying evaluation methods and the key is to get as much communication as possible with the school and the coaches you are interested in and then express that interest very clearly. Camps may be a great way to do this. They cannot recruit you but you can seek them and speak with players or other members of the staff, they will record this interest. In this way the advantage may be back to the player, with the new rules that prohibit recruiting until JR year. I think it also varies based on the school. D1 is a wide range, JHU probably does not have the same recruiting style as Mt. Saint Mary or HighPoint. The top D1 programs are different from the bottom. The top D3 programs>than bottom D1. You also have to consider private v. public and the academic pedigree some schools need kids with really high GPA to offset the kids with lower GPA. Google AI index for college sports. There is a formula they must average at many IVY and IVY "like" schools such as Colgate and Bucknell.

There is a benefit to being on a top 25 team in that it can get the player access to coaches but there are other ways as well. If they go to watch your son play and he does not get as many minutes or he plays D v. and inferior team does he show well?? I spoke with a D1 coach about recruiting a goalie from a top program and he went to watch the goalie and was more impressed with the other goalie of the loosing team as the winning team dominated and he did not see much in the way of shots on goal. The key is to find the right balance and be realistic about expectations. If we rank the top 45 to 50 teams more kids are recruited from the top half of the lower ranked teams than the bottom half kids from the top ranked teams (if that makes sense)

As far as committed kids skipping tournaments I would be more concerned as a coach that a kid "skipped" a tournament. Even a verbal commitment as now a JR is not official until the LOI is signed SR year. The kids still need to play I would then question their passion for the sport. Committing to a program is a step forward and not a ending. As far as it making the team non-competitive I would think that would not mean much. The coach came to see a player and not the club. Coaches typically do not check tourney machine to see who advanced in the tournament. The key is to discuss playing time with the coaches. If they coach is interested in watching your son play make sure he plays. As far as size goes I would recruit IQ over size.
Some kids are just gamers and this starts with IQ. Look at Matt Ward one of the best local kids ever and one of the best at UVA's history he is maybe 5'7" and I think the starting attackman at Ohio State this year was 5'7" 170 lbs and from Alabama! Good luck to your son

Wow claims that are not backed up. Just because teams compete in a league in howard county means they are tops in the country? I watched the 2022 to 2021 teams and I would not say that either o e of them are top 10 is the country. Maybe top 15 to 20 but not much more than that.

Get a life you while you're at it [lacrosse].

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow claims that are not backed up. Just because teams compete in a league in howard county means they are tops in the country? I watched the 2022 to 2021 teams and I would not say that either o e of them are top 10 is the country. Maybe top 15 to 20 but not much more than that.

^^^You should give us your top 20 power rankings for each 2022 and 2021 youth club lacrosse programs nationwide. You must be the Peter King of 7th and 8th grade lax.

Get a life while you're at it [lacrosse].

Please back your claims up that either one of these teams are TOP teams. I love how you call people [lacrosse] when people are just making factual points against the post. I can tell you after the NLF 2022 tournament from last weekend the only team missing RR. The madlax team may have won 1 game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please back your claims up that either one of these teams are TOP teams. I love how you call people [lacrosse] when people are just making factual points against the post. I can tell you after the NLF 2022 tournament from last weekend the only team missing RR. The madlax team may have won 1 game.

I didn't make a claim and you didn't provide any facts, just an opinion. My opinion is that aside from the Hawks, any of those teams are comparable. We'll see in the 2022 National Tourney at John Caroll. Compile your list though.

2022 National tourney will be a joke . Who can fly people on their team and get the most holdbacks from other teams to play on your team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow claims that are not backed up. Just because teams compete in a league in howard county means they are tops in the country? I watched the 2022 to 2021 teams and I would not say that either o e of them are top 10 is the country. Maybe top 15 to 20 but not much more than that.

Well if you read, me and the other guys post above and below you will see that if Madlax is in the top 30 of clubs in the country this is really all that matters when it comes to your sons personal success. The top 30 clubs in the country get the bulk of the eyes on them. So if your son has the skill set he will get that D1 spot. But to argue about who is 5th and who is 8th at the 2022 age level is really crazy. This age group will have full sidelines very soon and they should be worrying about each kids skill set and increasing it as much as possible.

Madlax 2024 won at Big4, but the rest of the club laid an egg. Sounds like Madlax is losing kids earlier than before. Probably most because of NL and DCE.

Madlax 2020 team was 4-0 this past weekend by beating Leading Edge, Laxachusetts, Sweetlax and Eclipse and won the Platinum Cup championship last weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 team was 4-0 this past weekend by beating Leading Edge, Laxachusetts, Sweetlax and Eclipse and won the Platinum Cup championship last weekend.

And Madlax 2022 went 3-1 with big win over 9d1MD. Their only loss of the weekend was to a Canadian team that was obviously a 2021 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2024 won at Big4, but the rest of the club laid an egg. Sounds like Madlax is losing kids earlier than before. Probably most because of NL and DCE.

I think your call about Madlax being a dying club are a little off. I will agree that the Madlax State teams (second teams) are dying this is correct. The talent of kids on these second teams is way down compared to 3 or more years ago. I think parents can not handle there star child being placed on a second team. So you are correct the best players from the Madlax state teams have left for NL,DCE and VLC this is a fact. And some of these kids are developing into really good players as the get older. But I think this just proves that the DMV has more top players then ever before and they do not want the "insult" of playing for a second team.

How does VLC compare to Madlax? Mainly asking as it would just be logistically easier for VA players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 team was 4-0 this past weekend by beating Leading Edge, Laxachusetts, Sweetlax and Eclipse and won the Platinum Cup championship last weekend.

Which MadLax team? Probably an assortment of players from several ML teams. Did they have to give their jerseys back at the end of the day? Would not be the first time.

best players from all MADLAX teams are leaving...Players and parents have had enough of Cabbell's overpriced over hyped revolving coaches club...bye bye madlax, club blue coming to Virginia

Who washes the returned jerseys?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does VLC compare to Madlax? Mainly asking as it would just be logistically easier for VA players.

Well I would say they are very comparable. But I would have to give the edge to Madlax when it comes to the best 2 to 5 players on each team. Madlax has top 10 ranked players in the country at the 2018,2019 age groups. But VLC has tons of high level players for sure. My thoughts are any top NOVA player should try out for these two teams first and see where they line up. I would see where my son fell in line with both teams. If he is 4th attackman on Madlax and 3rd for VLC go to VLC for sure. The other option for the top NOVA players is Blackwolf. But the trend with Blackwolf is your son plays for VLC or Madlax for there 6th to 8th grade years then the dad gets mad at something with Madlax or VLC then he writes a email to Blackwolf and they go play for them. But at the end of the day if your son is a D1 level player and lives in NOVA he should pick one of these three. Or the other trend is play for at least 2 of the three like tons of the kids on the current rosters now.
To prove my point just take a name from a high school roster for any of the three teams and put the other two club names after the name in google you will see the movement of clubs that happens with this top NOVA talent. The biggest offender is Blackwolf every kids name can be found on a old VLC or Madlax roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does VLC compare to Madlax? Mainly asking as it would just be logistically easier for VA players.

Well I would say they are very comparable. But I would have to give the edge to Madlax when it comes to the best 2 to 5 players on each team. Madlax has top 10 ranked players in the country at the 2018,2019 age groups. But VLC has tons of high level players for sure. My thoughts are any top NOVA player should try out for these two teams first and see where they line up. I would see where my son fell in line with both teams. If he is 4th attackman on Madlax and 3rd for VLC go to VLC for sure. The other option for the top NOVA players is Blackwolf. But the trend with Blackwolf is your son plays for VLC or Madlax for there 6th to 8th grade years then the dad gets mad at something with Madlax or VLC then he writes a email to Blackwolf and they go play for them. But at the end of the day if your son is a D1 level player and lives in NOVA he should pick one of these three. Or the other trend is play for at least 2 of the three like tons of the kids on the current rosters now.
To prove my point just take a name from a high school roster for any of the three teams and put the other two club names after the name in google you will see the movement of clubs that happens with this top NOVA talent. The biggest offender is Blackwolf every kids name can be found on a old VLC or Madlax roster.

Thanks, perfectly answers my question. It's hard to get good info as most people have pretty strong biases for/against different clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does VLC compare to Madlax? Mainly asking as it would just be logistically easier for VA players.

Well I would say they are very comparable. But I would have to give the edge to Madlax when it comes to the best 2 to 5 players on each team. Madlax has top 10 ranked players in the country at the 2018,2019 age groups. But VLC has tons of high level players for sure. My thoughts are any top NOVA player should try out for these two teams first and see where they line up. I would see where my son fell in line with both teams. If he is 4th attackman on Madlax and 3rd for VLC go to VLC for sure. The other option for the top NOVA players is Blackwolf. But the trend with Blackwolf is your son plays for VLC or Madlax for there 6th to 8th grade years then the dad gets mad at something with Madlax or VLC then he writes a email to Blackwolf and they go play for them. But at the end of the day if your son is a D1 level player and lives in NOVA he should pick one of these three. Or the other trend is play for at least 2 of the three like tons of the kids on the current rosters now.
To prove my point just take a name from a high school roster for any of the three teams and put the other two club names after the name in google you will see the movement of clubs that happens with this top NOVA talent. The biggest offender is Blackwolf every kids name can be found on a old VLC or Madlax roster.

This is a very reasonable post. As you said, as long as you are playing for one of these two or even BW, your son should be fine. It also depends on the year. Madlax has the better team in some grades and some grades the better team is either BW or VLC. All three get their kids to college recruiters and all play in good enough events.

I would also use other factors into consideration other than where my son is on the depth chart for either team. I would look at the quality of the coach, how active that coach is in terms of recruiting help, the other kids/families on the team, how well the team plays together, etc.

In terms of logistics, Madlax seems attract more McLean to Alexandria kids. VLC seems to get more Fairfax to Loudoun kids. Part of it is where they practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does VLC compare to Madlax? Mainly asking as it would just be logistically easier for VA players.

Well I would say they are very comparable. But I would have to give the edge to Madlax when it comes to the best 2 to 5 players on each team. Madlax has top 10 ranked players in the country at the 2018,2019 age groups. But VLC has tons of high level players for sure. My thoughts are any top NOVA player should try out for these two teams first and see where they line up. I would see where my son fell in line with both teams. If he is 4th attackman on Madlax and 3rd for VLC go to VLC for sure. The other option for the top NOVA players is Blackwolf. But the trend with Blackwolf is your son plays for VLC or Madlax for there 6th to 8th grade years then the dad gets mad at something with Madlax or VLC then he writes a email to Blackwolf and they go play for them. But at the end of the day if your son is a D1 level player and lives in NOVA he should pick one of these three. Or the other trend is play for at least 2 of the three like tons of the kids on the current rosters now.
To prove my point just take a name from a high school roster for any of the three teams and put the other two club names after the name in google you will see the movement of clubs that happens with this top NOVA talent. The biggest offender is Blackwolf every kids name can be found on a old VLC or Madlax roster.

This is a very reasonable post. As you said, as long as you are playing for one of these two or even BW, your son should be fine. It also depends on the year. Madlax has the better team in some grades and some grades the better team is either BW or VLC. All three get their kids to college recruiters and all play in good enough events.

I would also use other factors into consideration other than where my son is on the depth chart for either team. I would look at the quality of the coach, how active that coach is in terms of recruiting help, the other kids/families on the team, how well the team plays together, etc.

In terms of logistics, Madlax seems attract more McLean to Alexandria kids. VLC seems to get more Fairfax to Loudoun kids. Part of it is where they practice.

Thank you for the complement on my post. I agree with 99% of what you wrote. Can you explain your definition of recruiting help? I hear this said all the time but its never laid out what each club does better then the other when it comes to recruiting help. My understanding is no matter what club you play for it really comes down to the player knowing what schools he can and wants to play for, and reaching out to them early and often. A club owner/coach can never lie and up sell any player to get him recruited. This hurts his ability to help a kid who really can play for Maryland to be recruited by Maryland. These three clubs all have the same contacts with colleges I would assume. They all three play in top level tournaments. And its the college coach that reaches out to the club owner 9 our of 10 times I would guess. You sound like a guy who could answer this question.

For recruiting, I do not think anyone does it better than Madlax. It's a brand and part of the sell. He's in tournaments every weekend and seems to seek out solid competition. Now he's worked his way into the NLF group and the college coaches seem to come there to shop.

For playing in college, Blackwolf gets them ready. He seems to avoid competition and make odd (dated?) choices on tournaments to attend. His model assumes that the kids attend private HS so there is an extra boost there.

VLC benefits from the affiliation with the Crabs but they do not seem to go to all of the top-level recruiting events as the Baltimore team does.

In the end, it's about prospect days - particularly with the change in rules. You have to go to the school's camp/clinic so that they can let you know if they are interested.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the end, it's about prospect days - particularly with the change in rules. You have to go to the school's camp/clinic so that they can let you know if they are interested.

That loophole was closed last week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For recruiting, I do not think anyone does it better than Madlax. It's a brand and part of the sell. He's in tournaments every weekend and seems to seek out solid competition. Now he's worked his way into the NLF group and the college coaches seem to come there to shop.

For playing in college, Blackwolf gets them ready. He seems to avoid competition and make odd (dated?) choices on tournaments to attend. His model assumes that the kids attend private HS so there is an extra boost there.

VLC benefits from the affiliation with the Crabs but they do not seem to go to all of the top-level recruiting events as the Baltimore team does.

In the end, it's about prospect days - particularly with the change in rules. You have to go to the school's camp/clinic so that they can let you know if they are interested.

I have spoken with many college coaches. I think many parents new to the process do not understand that coaches in lacrosse do not have the resources to simply go out and "find" players. They do not attend tournaments to "shop" for players. The primary purpose of a showcase tournament is to watch players they are already interested in and "verify" that they fit the bill. Despite closing any "loop hole" about prospect days, IMHO camps will still be a primary way for coaches to spend time with players. They just cannot formally sell the school. If a kid attends a school camp he is allowed to let the coaches know he is interested. They are allowed to see him up close running the drills they will run if he went to that school. They will then attend the tournaments to watch the player v. competition. At that point I do not think the winning % of the club matters to the coach. However, the team does need to be good enough to play in the higher brackets. If a coach does "spot" another high performing player they may or may not add the player to a watch list. The challenge is that unless the player shows some interest in the school how would the coach know if another player he watched had any interest or could qualify for that school? Too much risk to go after a player not interested with too little resources. They key to all of this is do not let the club take care of this for you. Have your son (not you) take the lead and market himself to the coaches he wants to play for. That is THE best way to get the most out of recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For recruiting, I do not think anyone does it better than Madlax. It's a brand and part of the sell. He's in tournaments every weekend and seems to seek out solid competition. Now he's worked his way into the NLF group and the college coaches seem to come there to shop.

For playing in college, Blackwolf gets them ready. He seems to avoid competition and make odd (dated?) choices on tournaments to attend. His model assumes that the kids attend private HS so there is an extra boost there.

VLC benefits from the affiliation with the Crabs but they do not seem to go to all of the top-level recruiting events as the Baltimore team does.

In the end, it's about prospect days - particularly with the change in rules. You have to go to the school's camp/clinic so that they can let you know if they are interested.

I have spoken with many college coaches. I think many parents new to the process do not understand that coaches in lacrosse do not have the resources to simply go out and "find" players. They do not attend tournaments to "shop" for players. The primary purpose of a showcase tournament is to watch players they are already interested in and "verify" that they fit the bill. Despite closing any "loop hole" about prospect days, IMHO camps will still be a primary way for coaches to spend time with players. They just cannot formally sell the school. If a kid attends a school camp he is allowed to let the coaches know he is interested. They are allowed to see him up close running the drills they will run if he went to that school. They will then attend the tournaments to watch the player v. competition. At that point I do not think the winning % of the club matters to the coach. However, the team does need to be good enough to play in the higher brackets. If a coach does "spot" another high performing player they may or may not add the player to a watch list. The challenge is that unless the player shows some interest in the school how would the coach know if another player he watched had any interest or could qualify for that school? Too much risk to go after a player not interested with too little resources. They key to all of this is do not let the club take care of this for you. Have your son (not you) take the lead and market himself to the coaches he wants to play for. That is THE best way to get the most out of recruiting.

Good advice.

Incredible lineup at Capital Classic this past weekend.

Venom 2019
Ground Control Red
Ground Control Grey
Bandits A
Bandits B
Atlanta Empire 2020
Madlax MDVA 2020
HoCo 2020

Get your sarcasm in this but is what it is. Lacrosse has no governing body like other sports that directs team to tournaments that are skill appropriate. All l tournaments are what they are in lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For recruiting, I do not think anyone does it better than Madlax. It's a brand and part of the sell. He's in tournaments every weekend and seems to seek out solid competition. Now he's worked his way into the NLF group and the college coaches seem to come there to shop.

For playing in college, Blackwolf gets them ready. He seems to avoid competition and make odd (dated?) choices on tournaments to attend. His model assumes that the kids attend private HS so there is an extra boost there.

VLC benefits from the affiliation with the Crabs but they do not seem to go to all of the top-level recruiting events as the Baltimore team does.

In the end, it's about prospect days - particularly with the change in rules. You have to go to the school's camp/clinic so that they can let you know if they are interested.

I have spoken with many college coaches. I think many parents new to the process do not understand that coaches in lacrosse do not have the resources to simply go out and "find" players. They do not attend tournaments to "shop" for players. The primary purpose of a showcase tournament is to watch players they are already interested in and "verify" that they fit the bill. Despite closing any "loop hole" about prospect days, IMHO camps will still be a primary way for coaches to spend time with players. They just cannot formally sell the school. If a kid attends a school camp he is allowed to let the coaches know he is interested. They are allowed to see him up close running the drills they will run if he went to that school. They will then attend the tournaments to watch the player v. competition. At that point I do not think the winning % of the club matters to the coach. However, the team does need to be good enough to play in the higher brackets. If a coach does "spot" another high performing player they may or may not add the player to a watch list. The challenge is that unless the player shows some interest in the school how would the coach know if another player he watched had any interest or could qualify for that school? Too much risk to go after a player not interested with too little resources. They key to all of this is do not let the club take care of this for you. Have your son (not you) take the lead and market himself to the coaches he wants to play for. That is THE best way to get the most out of recruiting.

Since you've taken the time to write an intelligent post, perhaps you could provide some insight on when. With the new rules, at what age should kids attend prospect days or start reaching out.

My advice having gone through this, if your child is in 7-8 grade and has a list of 30 or so schools he's "interested in" begin to look at the schools, let the coach know he is interested, contact admissions about the qualifying grades and SAT's and the money it will cost. If all of that is reasonable to the family then continue to keep in touch with the coach via email. (use to be coaches would keep in touch but now it has to be the athlete) so if you are in the 8th grade and the coach is at a tournament that your team is playing in he will most definitely stop by and take a look. If you look like a fit player wise he will put you on his prospect list. He will then continue to follow your progression and he will be able to gauge your interest in his school and will invite you to prospect days. The coaches can still track a player they just cant initiate contact. they can still talk to the players at tournaments they just cant recruit them. Coaches will still be tracking 8 graders don't kid yourself.
They can also talk to your club coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Incredible lineup at Capital Classic this past weekend.

Venom 2019
Ground Control Red
Ground Control Grey
Bandits A
Bandits B
Atlanta Empire 2020
Madlax MDVA 2020
HoCo 2020

No surprise. Everything that club does is a money grab.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Incredible lineup at Capital Classic this past weekend.

Venom 2019
Ground Control Red
Ground Control Grey
Bandits A
Bandits B
Atlanta Empire 2020
Madlax MDVA 2020
HoCo 2020

No surprise. Everything that club does is a money grab.

Ok let me ask you a question how is having a bracket of 8 teams play each other a money grab?
1. Are these 8 teams close to the same skill level?
2. Are these 8 teams all in the same age, grade range?
3. Were all these teams aware of the other teams they where going to play when they showed up to the tournament?
4. Was this tournament geared towards the younger teams?

The answer to all these questions is YES.
The teams at the lower level had higher ranked teams for sure. All tournaments are to make money. They had refs and schedules and bathrooms and a place to play. Please explain how this tournament was any different then any other tournament your crappy club plays at?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get your sarcasm in this but is what it is. Lacrosse has no governing body like other sports that directs team to tournaments that are skill appropriate. All l tournaments are what they are in lacrosse.

I hope these guys had a fun time.

Money grab because he makes his good youth teams play in this terrible tournament, beating up on terrible teams. Who profits? Not the kids.

Well I am just guessing they invite more teams then the ones that show up? They have to lock in the Madlax teams from day one to show good faith to the clubs signing up for the tournament correct? So what would you like Madlax to do? This tournament is at least 5 years old could be a lot older then that. Have the brackets and teams always been bad? Are some brackets even this year good/fair? Your angry at Madlax giving 60 or so teams a tournament to play in. Is this tournament ran badly? If this tournament is bad what would you call most of those tournaments ran by Aloha?

I'm sure those 2022, 2023 and 2024 Madlax parents are glad to paid money to play on that crappy tournament just to fill the owner's pockets.

As a Madlax parent, Capital Classic was a nice change of pace. Didn't have to travel. Kids and parents had a blast. Well run tournament. At the younger age groups, the T91MD, Team Carolina, and Sentry teams were very competitive. If you check out the Madlax website, you will see that most of the Madlax teams are playing a rigourous tournament schedule back and forth to Bel Air and Philly. So to be in Poolesville hanging out at the Polo fields was a welcome change. Guess you haters will try and use anything to stir the pot.

Nice try, Dad. That tournament is a money grab. Also, ask the parents who got their cars stuck in the mud years ago and got robbed by a guy who pulled them.out for a small fortune, plus loss of a day with no refund.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice try, Dad. That tournament is a money grab. Also, ask the parents who got their cars stuck in the mud years ago and got robbed by a guy who pulled them.out for a small fortune, plus loss of a day with no refund.

Damn you Madlax
How dare you not stop the rain from falling. And how dare you not have a official Madlax tow truck on call for free to fix a Radom problem.

Yeah, the weather really sucked that year. We all were bummed. But what are you going to do? Blame Madlax for the weather too? And continue to berate them a couple of years later? At some point you need to let It go and move on.

Must be nice to give your money to a guy who threatens people. Great example you're teaching your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must be nice to give your money to a guy who threatens people. Great example you're teaching your son.

Please tell me the club run in NOVA that is worth anything that is run/owned by a saint. BW for sure no, VLC owned by the Crabs that owner has a long list of haters and then Madlax a owner who lost his temper with a Dad who many will agree was a real Jerk during this email battle you bring up every week for the last 5 years. Is the Madlax owner going to win any awards for Man of the year no. Does his club produce great players that are coached by a long list of really good guys and coaches for sure yes. Please feel free to pick any of the coaches on the list not the owner and try to bash any of them. My son has never once disliked or not in joyed being coached by a Madlax coach for the last 6 years. And this includes the owner.

Boy, the Madlax lackeys at 1345 Chain Bridge Road are busy on the computer trying to do clean-up.....Is that part of the job description?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Boy, the Madlax lackeys at 1345 Chain Bridge Road are busy on the computer trying to do clean-up.....Is that part of the job description?

You seem to have way more time then them to bash a travel lacrosse team. Your problems with Madlax are so harmless its pure comedy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Boy, the Madlax lackeys at 1345 Chain Bridge Road are busy on the computer trying to do clean-up.....Is that part of the job description?

You seem to have way more time then them to bash a travel lacrosse team. Your problems with Madlax are so harmless its pure comedy.

You really enjoy defending that guy. Great photos, by the way.

And when will my stringing job be ready?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And when will my stringing job be ready?

Ok your jokes are very funny and on point. good job you get three gold stars. So tell me again in a none joke format why we should not play for Madlax? Please leave out your hurt feelings from the owners mean words from 6 years ago. Heck have you read our Presidents twitter feed any time this year. Being rude and calling people who oppose or question you bad names and threating them is a sign of great leadership.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heck have you read our Presidents twitter feed any time this year. Being rude and calling people who oppose or question you bad names and threating them is a sign of great leadership.

Calling the Madlax guy the Trump of lacrosse? The redneck Madlax dad finally said something coherent.

Madlax 2023 coming to NXT and only playing in A bracket come on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heck have you read our Presidents twitter feed any time this year. Being rude and calling people who oppose or question you bad names and threating them is a sign of great leadership.

Calling the Madlax guy the Trump of lacrosse? The redneck Madlax dad finally said something coherent.

I could be called a Redneck I can live with that. But I am smart enough to know you avoided answering the real question in my post. Can you really give good points why a top player from NOVA or S. MD should not play for a Madlax Cap. team? So your list can start with the emails from 6 years ago but you have to expand a little more then that or you are just a cry baby who has not real points.

do you think thats the only email madlax has sent out...you leave his program you're a quitter or you are not good enough for madlax. Club blue coming to NOVA. just another nail in madlax coffin.

He has threatened many families over the years, not just that one.

BW and VLC are two clubs that get their guys recruited and cost a lot less.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BW and VLC are two clubs that get their guys recruited and cost a lot less.

Well here comes the Madlax cost to much money story line. Well Madlax has its costs online for everyone to see. Will you post the VLC costs for 12 months. Also please post the cost with how many practices and tournament's you get if you play for BW?

madlax has a quarterly fee that is hidden...didn't know until my kid made the team. Biggest ripoff out there. Club blue is coming...

Guys on Chain Bridge, can you stay off the internet for a minute and just get my stick back to me strung up properly?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guys on Chain Bridge, can you stay off the internet for a minute and just get my stick back to me strung up properly?

Once again my questions never get answers just more jokes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heck have you read our Presidents twitter feed any time this year. Being rude and calling people who oppose or question you bad names and threating them is a sign of great leadership.

Calling the Madlax guy the Trump of lacrosse? The redneck Madlax dad finally said something coherent.

I could be called a Redneck I can live with that. But I am smart enough to know you avoided answering the real question in my post. Can you really give good points why a top player from NOVA or S. MD should not play for a Madlax Cap. team? So your list can start with the emails from 6 years ago but you have to expand a little more then that or you are just a cry baby who has not real points.

You are a sucker for Madlax's bait and switch. Is your son in HS yet? Can't believe you haven't wised up yet. Madlax makes their kids play in 5-6 events in the summer and charges for it. Everyone knows that you don't need to play that much. 3 events (maybe 4) is plenty to be seen by recruiters (or if you are a youth, plenty of time to have fun playing). When you make someone play that much, they are not going to be sharp for the last few events. More importantly you are interfering with their ability to play for their HS, at individual recruiting events and prospect days.

That is too much lacrosse. The Crabs, FCA, VLC, BW and other clubs don't force you to pay them for 6 events. Why do you think so many Madlax kids peel off when they hit HS? Because their parents get tired of that BS and realize that other clubs get their kids recruited just as well if not better for much less. And they don't have to deal with that guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heck have you read our Presidents twitter feed any time this year. Being rude and calling people who oppose or question you bad names and threating them is a sign of great leadership.

Calling the Madlax guy the Trump of lacrosse? The redneck Madlax dad finally said something coherent.

I could be called a Redneck I can live with that. But I am smart enough to know you avoided answering the real question in my post. Can you really give good points why a top player from NOVA or S. MD should not play for a Madlax Cap. team? So your list can start with the emails from 6 years ago but you have to expand a little more then that or you are just a cry baby who has not real points.

You are a sucker for Madlax's bait and switch. Is your son in HS yet? Can't believe you haven't wised up yet. Madlax makes their kids play in 5-6 events in the summer and charges for it. Everyone knows that you don't need to play that much. 3 events (maybe 4) is plenty to be seen by recruiters (or if you are a youth, plenty of time to have fun playing). When you make someone play that much, they are not going to be sharp for the last few events. More importantly you are interfering with their ability to play for their HS, at individual recruiting events and prospect days.

That is too much lacrosse. The Crabs, FCA, VLC, BW and other clubs don't force you to pay them for 6 events. Why do you think so many Madlax kids peel off when they hit HS? Because their parents get tired of that BS and realize that other clubs get their kids recruited just as well if not better for much less. And they don't have to deal with that guy.

My son is on a high school team and they play 4 tournaments this summer and 3 tournaments in the Fall. And your logic of the high school team summer tournaments does not hold up because if your Private high school plays on one of the 3 weekends these teams listed above play in, you only get 2 tournaments with your club team. And a extra tournament to be seen or for the college coach to have a slot to come see you play would be a good thing I would think. Also if your son is at a Public school his high school team is at the beach all summer so they have time. If you are playing at a top tournament in front of 20 to 50 coaches why would a small prospect day be better? And I love the talk of kids peeling off . These kids got on that college coaches radar playing for Madlax so yes they can peel off later on because they have a school to play for and can just work on skills on there own time. But if my son has not made a verbal to a school how would being seen more not help him. Also we are talking about high school lacrosse players all kids planning on playing college lacrosse are playing, practicing or working out with most of the free time they got.

So your point is Madlax offers to much top level lacrosse to play in a given time frame? Is this correct? We all are dropping tons of cash for our kids to play for any of these teams listed. So a extra $500 really makes you this mad? But like we just talked about you get to play more lacrosse for the more money you pay we can agree with this correct. And to be truthful all of us that are paying these prices no matter the club can have our sons miss one or two if the we have plans.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

madlax has a quarterly fee that is hidden...didn't know until my kid made the team. Biggest ripoff out there. Club blue is coming...

What exactly is provided in return for the quarterly Madlax Academy fee? It's approximately $250/quarter, however I'm curious what's provided in exchange for it? Are there individual skill sessions and trainings separate from the practices?

Madlax is the only club I've ever heard of that charges to help return recruiting calls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the only club I've ever heard of that charges to help return recruiting calls.

This is not correct they do not send you a bill for each phone call. They have on there website a option for non Madlax players to pay a fee to have them help you get your son recruited. This was put on the site for kids not in the program. If a college coach calls any coach from Madlax they will answer the phone and talk about your son. Madlax is lots of things but they are not dumb they gain way more money, fame or credit for each kid from Madlax that plays college lacrosse. Why would they ever not help this happen. I can tell you with 100% truth my son has asked them to call and put the Madlax coaches emails and numbers on the emails to the schools. The coaches have called and the coaches have said good things about my son. No extra bill has ever came. The coaches that coach with Madlax are very helpful if you ask questions. They do not spoon feed you. This process comes down to your son and his play. Your family needs and wants for the level and price of school drive what they can do for you. Any club coach can call 10 schools and get your son looked at. But would you send your son to these schools, can you afford these 10 schools. It works like this. Ask the Madlax coach, High School coach and anyone else who might know what level of player do you think my son is. Then YOU!!! and your son need to take this info and find schools that 1. you can afford. 2. you will send your child to and 3. fit into the level of play you and these other coaches see as a fit for your son. Then you take this list and YOU and your SON email reach out to these schools. Tell these schools you want to play for them. Then the college coach will let you know if they want you. No club coach or top Private school coach is going to lie for your son. If they think he can play for Maryland and you tell Maryland you want to play for them it will work out.
The point is yes Madlax costs more money per year then other teams. Is it a lot more I would say no when you count the amount of things you do compared to the others. If you are on a Capital team your team no matter the age will not be a joke and will win games and you will be playing at the best tournaments this can not be argued.

Please, will you have my stick ready today? I have a big tournament this weekend in Columbia....

you get the privilege of playing for madlax...so you GET NOTHING...everything is extra

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you get the privilege of playing for madlax...so you GET NOTHING...everything is extra

Ok all you money cry babies please for the last Fing time put the total coast of the high school club team cost and what you get for the price then put what you think the Madlax cost for a year is and what you get and then we can talk about rip off and what is the best deal for your money!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the only club I've ever heard of that charges to help return recruiting calls.

This is not correct they do not send you a bill for each phone call. They have on there website a option for non Madlax players to pay a fee to have them help you get your son recruited. This was put on the site for kids not in the program. If a college coach calls any coach from Madlax they will answer the phone and talk about your son. Madlax is lots of things but they are not dumb they gain way more money, fame or credit for each kid from Madlax that plays college lacrosse. Why would they ever not help this happen. I can tell you with 100% truth my son has asked them to call and put the Madlax coaches emails and numbers on the emails to the schools. The coaches have called and the coaches have said good things about my son. No extra bill has ever came. The coaches that coach with Madlax are very helpful if you ask questions. They do not spoon feed you. This process comes down to your son and his play. Your family needs and wants for the level and price of school drive what they can do for you. Any club coach can call 10 schools and get your son looked at. But would you send your son to these schools, can you afford these 10 schools. It works like this. Ask the Madlax coach, High School coach and anyone else who might know what level of player do you think my son is. Then YOU!!! and your son need to take this info and find schools that 1. you can afford. 2. you will send your child to and 3. fit into the level of play you and these other coaches see as a fit for your son. Then you take this list and YOU and your SON email reach out to these schools. Tell these schools you want to play for them. Then the college coach will let you know if they want you. No club coach or top Private school coach is going to lie for your son. If they think he can play for Maryland and you tell Maryland you want to play for them it will work out.
The point is yes Madlax costs more money per year then other teams. Is it a lot more I would say no when you count the amount of things you do compared to the others. If you are on a Capital team your team no matter the age will not be a joke and will win games and you will be playing at the best tournaments this can not be argued.

Incorrect. Madlax has a "recruiting service" which is what they charge people who PLAY for Madlax. Mostly the guys they don't care about and aren't interested in helping unless they can charge the family yet another monthly fee. Only club out there that actually makes you pay to help you get recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the only club I've ever heard of that charges to help return recruiting calls.

This is not correct they do not send you a bill for each phone call. They have on there website a option for non Madlax players to pay a fee to have them help you get your son recruited. This was put on the site for kids not in the program. If a college coach calls any coach from Madlax they will answer the phone and talk about your son. Madlax is lots of things but they are not dumb they gain way more money, fame or credit for each kid from Madlax that plays college lacrosse. Why would they ever not help this happen. I can tell you with 100% truth my son has asked them to call and put the Madlax coaches emails and numbers on the emails to the schools. The coaches have called and the coaches have said good things about my son. No extra bill has ever came. The coaches that coach with Madlax are very helpful if you ask questions. They do not spoon feed you. This process comes down to your son and his play. Your family needs and wants for the level and price of school drive what they can do for you. Any club coach can call 10 schools and get your son looked at. But would you send your son to these schools, can you afford these 10 schools. It works like this. Ask the Madlax coach, High School coach and anyone else who might know what level of player do you think my son is. Then YOU!!! and your son need to take this info and find schools that 1. you can afford. 2. you will send your child to and 3. fit into the level of play you and these other coaches see as a fit for your son. Then you take this list and YOU and your SON email reach out to these schools. Tell these schools you want to play for them. Then the college coach will let you know if they want you. No club coach or top Private school coach is going to lie for your son. If they think he can play for Maryland and you tell Maryland you want to play for them it will work out.
The point is yes Madlax costs more money per year then other teams. Is it a lot more I would say no when you count the amount of things you do compared to the others. If you are on a Capital team your team no matter the age will not be a joke and will win games and you will be playing at the best tournaments this can not be argued.

Incorrect. Madlax has a "recruiting service" which is what they charge people who PLAY for Madlax. Mostly the guys they don't care about and aren't interested in helping unless they can charge the family yet another monthly fee. Only club out there that actually makes you pay to help you get recruited.

No sir you are a very wrong. Please take your little mouse and click on the Madlax website and please inform us all where you would fine this service on the current website. It was on the old website from 2 years ago but is nowhere on the new site. Also I have a high school son and I have not heard one parent talk about this Service so are wrong sir.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No sir you are a very wrong. Please take your little mouse and click on the Madlax website and please inform us all where you would fine this service on the current website. It was on the old website from 2 years ago but is nowhere on the new site. Also I have a high school son and I have not heard one parent talk about this Service so are wrong sir.

They don't list all the details on the website any more because they were ridiculed for doing it. But look at the website right now:

"The Madlax Academy teaching style program was created and developed by Madlax in 2010 and includes focused, year round positional instruction, college recruiting consulting"

They actually charged $300 to enroll and then $200 a month for his expertise. LOL. Great company.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No sir you are a very wrong. Please take your little mouse and click on the Madlax website and please inform us all where you would fine this service on the current website. It was on the old website from 2 years ago but is nowhere on the new site. Also I have a high school son and I have not heard one parent talk about this Service so are wrong sir.

They don't list all the details on the website any more because they were ridiculed for doing it. But look at the website right now:

"The Madlax Academy teaching style program was created and developed by Madlax in 2010 and includes focused, year round positional instruction, college recruiting consulting"

They actually charged $300 to enroll and then $200 a month for his expertise. LOL. Great company.

Even if they offer this to kids not in the program it does not mean they do not offer these things for free to kids in the program. I have been given tons of help, phone calls and emails for free.

can I please get my stick today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No sir you are a very wrong. Please take your little mouse and click on the Madlax website and please inform us all where you would fine this service on the current website. It was on the old website from 2 years ago but is nowhere on the new site. Also I have a high school son and I have not heard one parent talk about this Service so are wrong sir.

They don't list all the details on the website any more because they were ridiculed for doing it. But look at the website right now:

"The Madlax Academy teaching style program was created and developed by Madlax in 2010 and includes focused, year round positional instruction, college recruiting consulting"

They actually charged $300 to enroll and then $200 a month for his expertise. LOL. Great company.

Even if they offer this to kids not in the program it does not mean they do not offer these things for free to kids in the program. I have been given tons of help, phone calls and emails for free.

The point is they do charge at least some of their kids money just to field calls. Who does that? And if they do recruiting calls for kids in their program (and you say), how can they advocate for kids who don't play for them?

I guess as long as the money is green.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No sir you are a very wrong. Please take your little mouse and click on the Madlax website and please inform us all where you would fine this service on the current website. It was on the old website from 2 years ago but is nowhere on the new site. Also I have a high school son and I have not heard one parent talk about this Service so are wrong sir.

They don't list all the details on the website any more because they were ridiculed for doing it. But look at the website right now:

"The Madlax Academy teaching style program was created and developed by Madlax in 2010 and includes focused, year round positional instruction, college recruiting consulting"

They actually charged $300 to enroll and then $200 a month for his expertise. LOL. Great company.

Even if they offer this to kids not in the program it does not mean they do not offer these things for free to kids in the program. I have been given tons of help, phone calls and emails for free.

The point is they do charge at least some of their kids money just to field calls. Who does that? And if they do recruiting calls for kids in their program (and you say), how can they advocate for kids who don't play for them?

I guess as long as the money is green.

Well it's called a recruiting service just google it 30 different companies pop up. But when dealing with Madlax the total people who have ever used this service is less then 10 I would guess. And the number of Madlax players has to be 1 or 2 if that. So if you say they are all about the money what makes them more money 2 people paying for them to call or them calling for free for all the players and getting them signed and putting it on the website to get 25 new young studs to sign up?
You my son are a idiot and this is coming from the bad spelling Madlax redneck

This is a really stupid thread. Can't believe you guys are wasting our time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a really stupid thread. Can't believe you guys are wasting our time.

I waste my time because I can not get over the desire of this one guy or guys who just bring up old or wrong negative things about the club my son plays for. The amount of good they do out weights any faults or errors they have or have made. The desire of some people to have a club coach or team raise there kids is really scary to me. Madlax has everything laid out on the website you can read and see what you are paying for and playing for. You can lay out the good and bad about clubs but to just bash this club just for I do not know what reason is crazy.

We know a guy who was at the bottom of the Madlax depth chart who asked to pay for this service and the owner told him they didn't have time. Then the kid grew 3-4 inches and became a stud and left Madlax. Now the kid is playing D1. LOL at Madlax.

Good response, Cabell!

Obviously Madlax is doing something right. Check out their latest list of college commits. UNC, Duke, Hopkins, Maryland, Denver, UVA. Really impressive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We know a guy who was at the bottom of the Madlax depth chart who asked to pay for this service and the owner told him they didn't have time. Then the kid grew 3-4 inches and became a stud and left Madlax. Now the kid is playing D1. LOL at Madlax.

Well this still proves my point they do not take money from kids to make calls. Did they blow it with the kid who grew 3 inches. But they have to play the best kids at the time. If they did not dads would be on here saying how they play kids who are not as good as others. That is one thing about Madlax they take the best players at tryouts and play the best kids on the team. No matter what. News flash there is more then 20 to 25 D1 kids in the DMV so just by that teams will have to cut/not play future D1 kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We know a guy who was at the bottom of the Madlax depth chart who asked to pay for this service and the owner told him they didn't have time. Then the kid grew 3-4 inches and became a stud and left Madlax. Now the kid is playing D1. LOL at Madlax.

Well this still proves my point they do not take money from kids to make calls. Did they blow it with the kid who grew 3 inches. But they have to play the best kids at the time. If they did not dads would be on here saying how they play kids who are not as good as others. That is one thing about Madlax they take the best players at tryouts and play the best kids on the team. No matter what. News flash there is more then 20 to 25 D1 kids in the DMV so just by that teams will have to cut/not play future D1 kids.

News flash - taking the best kids at tryouts is something all clubs do. Man you love to give BJs to the Madlax guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We know a guy who was at the bottom of the Madlax depth chart who asked to pay for this service and the owner told him they didn't have time. Then the kid grew 3-4 inches and became a stud and left Madlax. Now the kid is playing D1. LOL at Madlax.

Well this still proves my point they do not take money from kids to make calls. Did they blow it with the kid who grew 3 inches. But they have to play the best kids at the time. If they did not dads would be on here saying how they play kids who are not as good as others. That is one thing about Madlax they take the best players at tryouts and play the best kids on the team. No matter what. News flash there is more then 20 to 25 D1 kids in the DMV so just by that teams will have to cut/not play future D1 kids.

News flash - taking the best kids at tryouts is something all clubs do. Man you love to give BJs to the Madlax guy.

Man you love to bash the Madlax guy like he forgot to tell you he was about to C**.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We know a guy who was at the bottom of the Madlax depth chart who asked to pay for this service and the owner told him they didn't have time. Then the kid grew 3-4 inches and became a stud and left Madlax. Now the kid is playing D1. LOL at Madlax.

Well this still proves my point they do not take money from kids to make calls. Did they blow it with the kid who grew 3 inches. But they have to play the best kids at the time. If they did not dads would be on here saying how they play kids who are not as good as others. That is one thing about Madlax they take the best players at tryouts and play the best kids on the team. No matter what. News flash there is more then 20 to 25 D1 kids in the DMV so just by that teams will have to cut/not play future D1 kids.

News flash - taking the best kids at tryouts is something all clubs do. Man you love to give BJs to the Madlax guy.

Horrible visual, but 100% accurate.

And my stick still hasn't been strung.....

How will club blue shake up the Virginia teams since they moved to Arlington

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will club blue shake up the Virginia teams since they moved to Arlington

Just like VLC and 3D, they will sputter and fail.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will club blue shake up the Virginia teams since they moved to Arlington

Just like VLC and 3D, they will sputter and fail.

Not with a HS tied to the club and starting so young (unlike VLC). My guess is that the more important impact will be to the HS team within a few years O'C will be better than PVI. PVI is having problems with the planned moved - after they move to the new campus the talent will come but they are going to struggle during the transition. O'C will be the only game in town for the Catholic NOVA (around the beltway) crowd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will club blue shake up the Virginia teams since they moved to Arlington

Just like VLC and 3D, they will sputter and fail.

Not with a HS tied to the club and starting so young (unlike VLC). My guess is that the more important impact will be to the HS team within a few years O'C will be better than PVI. PVI is having problems with the planned moved - after they move to the new campus the talent will come but they are going to struggle during the transition. O'C will be the only game in town for the Catholic NOVA (around the beltway) crowd.

where is PVI's new campus going to be

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will club blue shake up the Virginia teams since they moved to Arlington

Just like VLC and 3D, they will sputter and fail.

Not with a HS tied to the club and starting so young (unlike VLC). My guess is that the more important impact will be to the HS team within a few years O'C will be better than PVI. PVI is having problems with the planned moved - after they move to the new campus the talent will come but they are going to struggle during the transition. O'C will be the only game in town for the Catholic NOVA (around the beltway) crowd.

Good luck with that. VLC and 3D spewed a lot of the same nonsense. OC doesn't affect Madlax. CB might be able to pick up second tier Breakout or Propsect kids. But top kids will stick with established, known commodities instead of jumping ship to what could be another bust.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will club blue shake up the Virginia teams since they moved to Arlington

Just like VLC and 3D, they will sputter and fail.

Not with a HS tied to the club and starting so young (unlike VLC). My guess is that the more important impact will be to the HS team within a few years O'C will be better than PVI. PVI is having problems with the planned moved - after they move to the new campus the talent will come but they are going to struggle during the transition. O'C will be the only game in town for the Catholic NOVA (around the beltway) crowd.

Good luck with that. VLC and 3D spewed a lot of the same nonsense. OC doesn't affect Madlax. CB might be able to pick up second tier Breakout or Propsect kids. But top kids will stick with established, known commodities instead of jumping ship to what could be another bust.

Kids that didn't make Madlax (or couldn't stomach not playing for Capital/top team) that cross river to play for Next Level might take a look at CB.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will club blue shake up the Virginia teams since they moved to Arlington

Just like VLC and 3D, they will sputter and fail.

3d is a disaster, but don't connect VLC to them. VLC doesn't have strong results with youth, but their HS program is the same level as Bw and Madlax. All 3 have comparable college recruiting results and they share the best HS teams, depending on the grade.

Cb will hurt madlax, but how much is tbd. A lot of Catholic families want nothing to do with the madlax owner which has helped the NL rise. Madlax reach continues to shrink.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will club blue shake up the Virginia teams since they moved to Arlington

Just like VLC and 3D, they will sputter and fail.

3d is a disaster, but don't connect VLC to them. VLC doesn't have strong results with youth, but their HS program is the same level as Bw and Madlax. All 3 have comparable college recruiting results and they share the best HS teams, depending on the grade.

Cb will hurt madlax, but how much is tbd. A lot of Catholic families want nothing to do with the madlax owner which has helped the NL rise. Madlax reach continues to shrink.

When you talk about Madlax shrinking you really mean they are losing kids from the 2nd team not the Capital teams. I think the Capital teams are losing some kids for sure but its because there is just more clubs. But to imply the Capital teams are getting worse is not correct. The second teams are at a let them die and move on level for sure. Madlax will have to change something to keep the second teams around much longer. My helpful hint would be for them to charge a lesser fee and lower cost overall to play for the second team. This will keep a feeder team for the Cap team but let the parents on the second team live better paying less working for a spot on the Cap. team.

The HS teams have nothing to do with this conversation concerning Club Blue since Club Blue is only fielding MS teams (2022, 2023, 2024) PVI is moving to Loudoun and I do not see many Loudoun parents choosing to drive to Arlington while passing better teams along with way. I am not sure where Club Blue will pull from. Cav's and 3d have PVI connections along with VLC. I think Club owners are trying to build MS teams at this point. Here are how they look based on summer results.
1. Mad Lax Capital - Played in the top bracket in HOCO and Tournaments still the top NOVA team.
2. Cavalier -The 2023 is close to Mad Lax Capital in talent and pulls more Loudoun kids. Many of these kids never considered Mad Lax it is not like they could not make that team
3. 3D - The 2022 team beat Mad Lax Capital last summer and is just an edge above Cav's. 2022 won HOCO AA. The 2023 team for 3d is below Cav but fared well in the last tournament.
4. Top Caliber - the draw of the Robinson coaching staff will keep this team growing. They have some big athletic kids that will develop
5. VLC - they only had a 2022 team but that has not won many games and can not get enough 2022 kids to field a full team. However they will develop. Starting later does not help.
6. Prospects, EKLC, Battlelax, and Evergreen each have talent but do not play against top competition so it is hard to compare.
7. Mad Lax VA/MD -sorry this team is just not playing at a level to justify a top rank. There is a night and day difference with Capital as I think kids are moving to other teams.

I am not sure where that leaves Club Blue but if you look at NVYLL the Loudoun programs are trending up I think Cavalier will be the beneficiary of this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The HS teams have nothing to do with this conversation concerning Club Blue since Club Blue is only fielding MS teams (2022, 2023, 2024) PVI is moving to Loudoun and I do not see many Loudoun parents choosing to drive to Arlington while passing better teams along with way. I am not sure where Club Blue will pull from. Cav's and 3d have PVI connections along with VLC. I think Club owners are trying to build MS teams at this point. Here are how they look based on summer results.
1. Mad Lax Capital - Played in the top bracket in HOCO and Tournaments still the top NOVA team.
2. Cavalier -The 2023 is close to Mad Lax Capital in talent and pulls more Loudoun kids. Many of these kids never considered Mad Lax it is not like they could not make that team
3. 3D - The 2022 team beat Mad Lax Capital last summer and is just an edge above Cav's. 2022 won HOCO AA. The 2023 team for 3d is below Cav but fared well in the last tournament.
4. Top Caliber - the draw of the Robinson coaching staff will keep this team growing. They have some big athletic kids that will develop
5. VLC - they only had a 2022 team but that has not won many games and can not get enough 2022 kids to field a full team. However they will develop. Starting later does not help.
6. Prospects, EKLC, Battlelax, and Evergreen each have talent but do not play against top competition so it is hard to compare.
7. Mad Lax VA/MD -sorry this team is just not playing at a level to justify a top rank. There is a night and day difference with Capital as I think kids are moving to other teams.

I am not sure where that leaves Club Blue but if you look at NVYLL the Loudoun programs are trending up I think Cavalier will be the beneficiary of this.

#3 is wrong. I don't think 3D 2022 has ever beaten Madlax Cap, or even close for that matter. Madlax crushed them in Hershey championship, and 3D has lost players since then. If you want most accurate info, check out HoCo standings: http://www.eteamz.com/hcrpsports/standings/index.cfm?subsite=6171250. Madlax is the only team that plays at 2022 elite. Just to tell you how tough elite is, Next Level went 0-6. 3D and VLC are 2022 AA. VLC went 0-6. They suck, and are proof how hard it is for a new program to break into NOVA. At 2023, again Madlax is only one that plays top level 2023AA. Cavalier and 3D are only 2023A. At 2024 AA, Madlax is best in country. Won spring league three years in a row. They are light years ahead of the other teams. Cavalier plays two levels down at 2024 B. All the other teams drop off at this age group. You are correct that the Madlax state teams are not very good, but they are a great opportunity for younger/smaller kid to thrive. Lots of kids move from state up to cap, and the state teams practice with cap. I think it is easier for a border-line kid to make Madlax cap from state than one of these other teams. Unless a kid is a true star, it can be tough to get noticed in 1-2 tryouts. So looking long term, I would consider going with a Madlax state team over one of these other teams, especially if your kid hasn't grown yet. It gives them a better springboard.

There is no way Madlax would ever lower the cost for the B team. Man is too greedy! If you are not one of the 10 starters - you should look for another club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The HS teams have nothing to do with this conversation concerning Club Blue since Club Blue is only fielding MS teams (2022, 2023, 2024) PVI is moving to Loudoun and I do not see many Loudoun parents choosing to drive to Arlington while passing better teams along with way. I am not sure where Club Blue will pull from. Cav's and 3d have PVI connections along with VLC. I think Club owners are trying to build MS teams at this point. Here are how they look based on summer results.
1. Mad Lax Capital - Played in the top bracket in HOCO and Tournaments still the top NOVA team.
2. Cavalier -The 2023 is close to Mad Lax Capital in talent and pulls more Loudoun kids. Many of these kids never considered Mad Lax it is not like they could not make that team
3. 3D - The 2022 team beat Mad Lax Capital last summer and is just an edge above Cav's. 2022 won HOCO AA. The 2023 team for 3d is below Cav but fared well in the last tournament.
4. Top Caliber - the draw of the Robinson coaching staff will keep this team growing. They have some big athletic kids that will develop
5. VLC - they only had a 2022 team but that has not won many games and can not get enough 2022 kids to field a full team. However they will develop. Starting later does not help.
6. Prospects, EKLC, Battlelax, and Evergreen each have talent but do not play against top competition so it is hard to compare.
7. Mad Lax VA/MD -sorry this team is just not playing at a level to justify a top rank. There is a night and day difference with Capital as I think kids are moving to other teams.

I am not sure where that leaves Club Blue but if you look at NVYLL the Loudoun programs are trending up I think Cavalier will be the beneficiary of this.

LOL. You put Cav, 3d and TC above VLC. You are a complete idiot.

I did not put these teams above VLC, the play on the field did. Look at the 2022,23, teams VLC right NOW cannot compete with those three teams. FACT

I've seen the 2022 teams (not including 2023 because VLC didn't have one). 3d and VLC competed in the HoCO 2nd tier. 3d has a 2023 team whereas VLC had a combo team. 3d was a better team, but they will not be better when they are both 8th grade teams next year.

Cavalier competed in the 3rd tier, so give me a break. Top Caliber is run by good guys, but they have a much shallower pool. More importantly, Madlax, VLC and BW have better track records by a mile than any of those clubs.

I don't doubt some kids move up to the Capital teams and the Capital team always loses some players, but isn't the big issue roster size? My son's team plays the (excellent) Madlax 2024 team in HoCo and they have probably ten more players than we do. They sub of course but not sure the bottom kids see much daylight in competitive games. That can influence whether you want to move on or whether it's worth it to move up. Don't know the answer to the age old question of lots more playing time vs practicing with better players and better coaching. Not a knock on a very good team, just an observation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The HS teams have nothing to do with this conversation concerning Club Blue since Club Blue is only fielding MS teams (2022, 2023, 2024) PVI is moving to Loudoun and I do not see many Loudoun parents choosing to drive to Arlington while passing better teams along with way. I am not sure where Club Blue will pull from. Cav's and 3d have PVI connections along with VLC. I think Club owners are trying to build MS teams at this point. Here are how they look based on summer results.
1. Mad Lax Capital - Played in the top bracket in HOCO and Tournaments still the top NOVA team.
2. Cavalier -The 2023 is close to Mad Lax Capital in talent and pulls more Loudoun kids. Many of these kids never considered Mad Lax it is not like they could not make that team
3. 3D - The 2022 team beat Mad Lax Capital last summer and is just an edge above Cav's. 2022 won HOCO AA. The 2023 team for 3d is below Cav but fared well in the last tournament.
4. Top Caliber - the draw of the Robinson coaching staff will keep this team growing. They have some big athletic kids that will develop
5. VLC - they only had a 2022 team but that has not won many games and can not get enough 2022 kids to field a full team. However they will develop. Starting later does not help.
6. Prospects, EKLC, Battlelax, and Evergreen each have talent but do not play against top competition so it is hard to compare.
7. Mad Lax VA/MD -sorry this team is just not playing at a level to justify a top rank. There is a night and day difference with Capital as I think kids are moving to other teams.

I am not sure where that leaves Club Blue but if you look at NVYLL the Loudoun programs are trending up I think Cavalier will be the beneficiary of this.

The point is not that CB will attract players from Loudoun - it's that OC will pull the Fairfax/Arlington/Alexandria players that PVI has pulled in the past. This youth re-start is a building block for that future. VLC and BW do not have young teams and Madlax has continuity from starting players so young. He has done some very smart foundational things - having clinics and free clinics under one or both banners for the recreational boys. My guess is that he will pull players from NOVA with a few will to cross the river if the product is good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The HS teams have nothing to do with this conversation concerning Club Blue since Club Blue is only fielding MS teams (2022, 2023, 2024) PVI is moving to Loudoun and I do not see many Loudoun parents choosing to drive to Arlington while passing better teams along with way. I am not sure where Club Blue will pull from. Cav's and 3d have PVI connections along with VLC. I think Club owners are trying to build MS teams at this point. Here are how they look based on summer results.
1. Mad Lax Capital - Played in the top bracket in HOCO and Tournaments still the top NOVA team.
2. Cavalier -The 2023 is close to Mad Lax Capital in talent and pulls more Loudoun kids. Many of these kids never considered Mad Lax it is not like they could not make that team
3. 3D - The 2022 team beat Mad Lax Capital last summer and is just an edge above Cav's. 2022 won HOCO AA. The 2023 team for 3d is below Cav but fared well in the last tournament.
4. Top Caliber - the draw of the Robinson coaching staff will keep this team growing. They have some big athletic kids that will develop
5. VLC - they only had a 2022 team but that has not won many games and can not get enough 2022 kids to field a full team. However they will develop. Starting later does not help.
6. Prospects, EKLC, Battlelax, and Evergreen each have talent but do not play against top competition so it is hard to compare.
7. Mad Lax VA/MD -sorry this team is just not playing at a level to justify a top rank. There is a night and day difference with Capital as I think kids are moving to other teams.

I am not sure where that leaves Club Blue but if you look at NVYLL the Loudoun programs are trending up I think Cavalier will be the beneficiary of this.

The point is not that CB will attract players from Loudoun - it's that OC will pull the Fairfax/Arlington/Alexandria players that PVI has pulled in the past. This youth re-start is a building block for that future. VLC and BW do not have young teams and Madlax has continuity from starting players so young. He has done some very smart foundational things - having clinics and free clinics under one or both banners for the recreational boys. My guess is that he will pull players from NOVA with a few will to cross the river if the product is good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't doubt some kids move up to the Capital teams and the Capital team always loses some players, but isn't the big issue roster size? My son's team plays the (excellent) Madlax 2024 team in HoCo and they have probably ten more players than we do. They sub of course but not sure the bottom kids see much daylight in competitive games. That can influence whether you want to move on or whether it's worth it to move up. Don't know the answer to the age old question of lots more playing time vs practicing with better players and better coaching. Not a knock on a very good team, just an observation.

You are absolutely correct that roster size is important. That is why the Madlax 2024 team that your son played in HoCo had a roster of ONLY 17 kids. Not sure how you can get any leaner than that. The owner did add some kids for summer, but that was to account for back-to-back games in the heat, and kids missing.

He also plays his kids over kids more deserving. People are fed up with that.

Let's be clear here. 3D 2022, Cavalier, or VLC would get (or have been) smashed by Madlax 2022 Capital. There is a vast difference in talent between these teams and 3D has never beaten the Madlax 2022 team either last summer or last spring when they actually played in the HOCO AA 2022 division. The difference in skill, athleticism, and lacrosse IQ was glaring.

Furthermore, the difference between the Elite division teams and the AA, A, or B teams in HOCO at the 2022 age group is not even comparable. If it was comparable, the kids on the teams from 3D, Cavalier, or VLC would play for MadLax because they know it's the best team and best competion in NOVa.

I think it's great there are multiple options for kids to play, but please don't get it twisted by thinking all of those clubs can compete at the highest level. If they could, they would play in the Elite division and they would play the AA brackets in the summer tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't doubt some kids move up to the Capital teams and the Capital team always loses some players, but isn't the big issue roster size? My son's team plays the (excellent) Madlax 2024 team in HoCo and they have probably ten more players than we do. They sub of course but not sure the bottom kids see much daylight in competitive games. That can influence whether you want to move on or whether it's worth it to move up. Don't know the answer to the age old question of lots more playing time vs practicing with better players and better coaching. Not a knock on a very good team, just an observation.

You are absolutely correct that roster size is important. That is why the Madlax 2024 team that your son played in HoCo had a roster of ONLY 17 kids. Not sure how you can get any leaner than that. The owner did add some kids for summer, but that was to account for back-to-back games in the heat, and kids missing.

Website has 25 kids listed on roster.

The mad lax teams we played this year never show up with 17 players, the sideline looks like a college team. 25 kids the last game. They were a very good team and very well coached, but I know some of those kids never played, personally saw kids come out of an older age group game and walk right onto the sideline for our game. Are there rules about rostered players only playing for one team during a t0urnament? I imagine the on age parents that drove all they way to the games really enjoyed watching there kids stand there while the older ones played, Either way I wish we played them more often, great competition

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The mad lax teams we played this year never show up with 17 players, the sideline looks like a college team. 25 kids the last game. They were a very good team and very well coached, but I know some of those kids never played, personally saw kids come out of an older age group game and walk right onto the sideline for our game. Are there rules about rostered players only playing for one team during a t0urnament? I imagine the on age parents that drove all they way to the games really enjoyed watching there kids stand there while the older ones played, Either way I wish we played them more often, great competition

This post is total BS. It just so happens that there are some 2024 kids that could have given the 2023 team some lift this summer by playing up. But it never happened. Don't know why you make up lies. And the 2024 team is a finely tuned machine that certainly doesn't need the help of older kids - nor would they ever stoop to that level. Most of the kids on 2024 have been playing together for the last 3 years. That is a large reason of why they are so good. There were two 2024 teams in the Spring. The Capital team had a very lean roster of 17. There were some stars on the State team that played with the Capital team for the summer. The summer roster was 25. But with three games a day, there was plenty of playing time for everyone.

The owner plays his two sons over more deserving players. Ticking time bomb.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The owner plays his two sons over more deserving players. Ticking time bomb.

So does every daddy coach, and definitely at 2024 level. It was so bad at Looneys (2024 Orange) that they had to make a change or half the team was leaving.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The owner plays his two sons over more deserving players. Ticking time bomb.

This part is true. Owners kids start every game. Owners kids are good and would rightfully start on any other 2024 team. But Madlax 2024 is a truly elite team and owner's kids are not in top 10/13 and start over kids that deserve to be on field more. It does drive some of the parents crazy. This team is not for everyone. It is for elite players that want to play at the highest level, and unless things change, it means that if your kid wants to start he has to train harder to be in top 8/11. Just imagine how good Madlax 2024 would be if owner played his own kids less. The fact that Madlax 2024 has beaten every team in the country with owner's kids on field tells you how good the other kids on the field are.

That team is about one kid. Things will change for them when they hit Middle School

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The owner plays his two sons over more deserving players. Ticking time bomb.

So the owners sons play Middie and Attack. Which one has better players behind him? This team has a coach not the owner correct. This is on him not the owner I would say. And knowing the owner like I do if or when this team loses some games he will correct this issue if his sons are really the problem. But knowing the resources Madlax has I would love for my kid to play for this team. Even if he was the 4th Attackman not 3rd. When this team hits the late middle school age and high school age you can be assured you will be playing in front of all the correct people every weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The owner plays his two sons over more deserving players. Ticking time bomb.

So the owners sons play Middie and Attack. Which one has better players behind him? This team has a coach not the owner correct. This is on him not the owner I would say. And knowing the owner like I do if or when this team loses some games he will correct this issue if his sons are really the problem. But knowing the resources Madlax has I would love for my kid to play for this team. Even if he was the 4th Attackman not 3rd. When this team hits the late middle school age and high school age you can be assured you will be playing in front of all the correct people every weekend.

Thank you Cabell.

I never argued that there might be kids better then his sons. I am sure this can be argued they are very young at 2024. But there is real no way to prove it out who is better or not. Unless you name other 2024 kids by name the point can not be proven. My second point about this team will always be good and be where you want to be is very on point. I do not like the concept of sons playing for there dad coach or club owner. But what would you like a dad to do when it comes to there own kids?

well, at least he didn't threaten anyone in his response......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The owner plays his two sons over more deserving players. Ticking time bomb.

So the owners sons play Middie and Attack. Which one has better players behind him? This team has a coach not the owner correct. This is on him not the owner I would say. And knowing the owner like I do if or when this team loses some games he will correct this issue if his sons are really the problem. But knowing the resources Madlax has I would love for my kid to play for this team. Even if he was the 4th Attackman not 3rd. When this team hits the late middle school age and high school age you can be assured you will be playing in front of all the correct people every weekend.

Both. No, owner is coach. Owner is a great coach and the 2024 team is lucky to have him. But it takes a truly great coach to not start your own kid. Very few daddy coaches are capable of doing it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The owner plays his two sons over more deserving players. Ticking time bomb.

So the owners sons play Middie and Attack. Which one has better players behind him? This team has a coach not the owner correct. This is on him not the owner I would say. And knowing the owner like I do if or when this team loses some games he will correct this issue if his sons are really the problem. But knowing the resources Madlax has I would love for my kid to play for this team. Even if he was the 4th Attackman not 3rd. When this team hits the late middle school age and high school age you can be assured you will be playing in front of all the correct people every weekend.

Both. No, owner is coach. Owner is a great coach and the 2024 team is lucky to have him. But it takes a truly great coach to not start your own kid. Very few daddy coaches are capable of doing it.

well, no one could ever accuse you of being an ungrateful quitter

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The owner plays his two sons over more deserving players. Ticking time bomb.

So the owners sons play Middie and Attack. Which one has better players behind him? This team has a coach not the owner correct. This is on him not the owner I would say. And knowing the owner like I do if or when this team loses some games he will correct this issue if his sons are really the problem. But knowing the resources Madlax has I would love for my kid to play for this team. Even if he was the 4th Attackman not 3rd. When this team hits the late middle school age and high school age you can be assured you will be playing in front of all the correct people every weekend.

The coach of the 2024 team IS the owner, donkey. That's the problem.

Incredible talent at the Madlax East Coast Invitational, just like the power packed lineup at the Madlax Capital Classic for youth teams. Tons of college recruiters came to Poolesville to watch these teams:

St. John's
Battlelax
Top Caliber
Lionheart
Atlanta Empire
LI Bluefish
Madlax MD/VA
1787
Bull Nation
Mama's Boyz
Unleashed
Apex
V3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Incredible talent at the Madlax East Coast Invitational, just like the power packed lineup at the Madlax Capital Classic for youth teams. Tons of college recruiters came to Poolesville to watch these teams:

St. John's
Battlelax
Top Caliber
Lionheart
Atlanta Empire
LI Bluefish
Madlax MD/VA
1787
Bull Nation
Mama's Boyz
Unleashed
Apex
V3

Certainly sounds like a juggernaut of competition, a virtual who's who of club lacrosse teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Incredible talent at the Madlax East Coast Invitational, just like the power packed lineup at the Madlax Capital Classic for youth teams. Tons of college recruiters came to Poolesville to watch these teams:

St. John's
Battlelax
Top Caliber
Lionheart
Atlanta Empire
LI Bluefish
Madlax MD/VA
1787
Bull Nation
Mama's Boyz
Unleashed
Apex
V3

This tournament was a one day end of summer tournament. All these clubs know who and what they are. The teams who signed up for this tournament where listed on the website for months and it was updated as things changed. The coaches of these teams knew what they were coming to play with lots of time to change their mind. And for what level of tournament this was I did count 10 maybe a little more college coaches on the sidelines.

Please. No college coach would watch that crap. In Poolsville.

Face it, Madlax apologist. Their tournaments suck. At least you make a buck selling your photos.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please. No college coach would watch that crap. In Poolsville.

Face it, Madlax apologist. Their tournaments suck. At least you make a buck selling your photos.

I talked to them and the website lists the one that showed up. . You are correct this was a high school B to low A tournament no one there thought they where going to play Crabs,Sweetlax or 91. The college coaches there were from schools that wanted kids from this level. If you play on a low A team or B high school team you want the D3 and D2 coaches watching you play. What good does it do for you to play in front of top 25 D1 coaches if your son is a D2,D3 player? The tournament had refs , goals and a great schedule. Your hatred is so out of control you can not give Madlax credit for anything. By your count 13 clubs had a place to play and the games where all played well. There was 2 or 3 coaches on the sidelines of each game. On par with all the other second tier high school tournaments. We were at the 3D at the Soccer complex and those sidelines had 2 to 3 coaches each. Take a nap and find some other club to hate no matter what they do.

Low A? Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Low A? Lol

That is how you describe a team that plays B and A tournaments during a single season. Can you please expand on what you think is so funny about the term low A? Its like when someone talks about you at work they say he has a LOW IQ.

More like high c

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please. No college coach would watch that crap. In Poolsville.

Face it, Madlax apologist. Their tournaments suck. At least you make a buck selling your photos.

I talked to them and the website lists the one that showed up. . You are correct this was a high school B to low A tournament no one there thought they where going to play Crabs,Sweetlax or 91. The college coaches there were from schools that wanted kids from this level. If you play on a low A team or B high school team you want the D3 and D2 coaches watching you play. What good does it do for you to play in front of top 25 D1 coaches if your son is a D2,D3 player? The tournament had refs , goals and a great schedule. Your hatred is so out of control you can not give Madlax credit for anything. By your count 13 clubs had a place to play and the games where all played well. There was 2 or 3 coaches on the sidelines of each game. On par with all the other second tier high school tournaments. We were at the 3D at the Soccer complex and those sidelines had 2 to 3 coaches each. Take a nap and find some other club to hate no matter what they do.

1. No college coaches went to that crappy event

2. The fact that you call it a "low A" event shows how crazy you are

3. You are actually praising them for having goals at the event

4. If you look at the putrid lineup, it is impossible to call it a great schedule

Do you ever think about the fact that you post every day to praise a guy who actually threatens his own clients?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please. No college coach would watch that crap. In Poolsville.

Face it, Madlax apologist. Their tournaments suck. At least you make a buck selling your photos.

I talked to them and the website lists the one that showed up. . You are correct this was a high school B to low A tournament no one there thought they where going to play Crabs,Sweetlax or 91. The college coaches there were from schools that wanted kids from this level. If you play on a low A team or B high school team you want the D3 and D2 coaches watching you play. What good does it do for you to play in front of top 25 D1 coaches if your son is a D2,D3 player? The tournament had refs , goals and a great schedule. Your hatred is so out of control you can not give Madlax credit for anything. By your count 13 clubs had a place to play and the games where all played well. There was 2 or 3 coaches on the sidelines of each game. On par with all the other second tier high school tournaments. We were at the 3D at the Soccer complex and those sidelines had 2 to 3 coaches each. Take a nap and find some other club to hate no matter what they do.

1. No college coaches went to that crappy event

2. The fact that you call it a "low A" event shows how crazy you are

3. You are actually praising them for having goals at the event

4. If you look at the putrid lineup, it is impossible to call it a great schedule

Do you ever think about the fact that you post every day to praise a guy who actually threatens his own clients?

1. There where college coaches at this event so this is a lie. No a ton but they where there. So you are wrong.
2.So let me change this to a B level tournament low A is a trigger word for you somehow.
3. When I said had goals its was short for Fields,goals,refs,bathrooms,shade trees,balls on the end line and food trucks. is this better.
4. And the schedule was good because you started at 8am or 9am and where done by 2 or 3pm. And if all the teams are putrid as you say then it is a good schedule because the teams are evenly matched correct?

And for your last point I have agreed 100 times he has made comments in angry that are not good. But I am not a snowflake and live in the real world where people get mad and say things they regret.

Do you run or own a travel team? If not you do not provide me and my child a place to play high level lacrosse. You can say this club X is better and here is why. But your child like hatred for this club is unhealthy. Madlax is a high level option and does way more good then bad. All clubs have negatives and people involved with the club with people skill issues. But to imply over and over that Madlax is awful and the worst thing around is just wrong. I come back at you every time because I keep waiting for you to point out real points about Madlax and why they are so bad. But you just keep crying over a email fight he got with a dad that only have of the email chain was made public this is a fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please. No college coach would watch that crap. In Poolsville.

Face it, Madlax apologist. Their tournaments suck. At least you make a buck selling your photos.

I talked to them and the website lists the one that showed up. . You are correct this was a high school B to low A tournament no one there thought they where going to play Crabs,Sweetlax or 91. The college coaches there were from schools that wanted kids from this level. If you play on a low A team or B high school team you want the D3 and D2 coaches watching you play. What good does it do for you to play in front of top 25 D1 coaches if your son is a D2,D3 player? The tournament had refs , goals and a great schedule. Your hatred is so out of control you can not give Madlax credit for anything. By your count 13 clubs had a place to play and the games where all played well. There was 2 or 3 coaches on the sidelines of each game. On par with all the other second tier high school tournaments. We were at the 3D at the Soccer complex and those sidelines had 2 to 3 coaches each. Take a nap and find some other club to hate no matter what they do.

1. No college coaches went to that crappy event

2. The fact that you call it a "low A" event shows how crazy you are

3. You are actually praising them for having goals at the event

4. If you look at the putrid lineup, it is impossible to call it a great schedule

Do you ever think about the fact that you post every day to praise a guy who actually threatens his own clients?

1. There where college coaches at this event so this is a lie. No a ton but they where there. So you are wrong.
2.So let me change this to a B level tournament low A is a trigger word for you somehow.
3. When I said had goals its was short for Fields,goals,refs,bathrooms,shade trees,balls on the end line and food trucks. is this better.
4. And the schedule was good because you started at 8am or 9am and where done by 2 or 3pm. And if all the teams are putrid as you say then it is a good schedule because the teams are evenly matched correct?

And for your last point I have agreed 100 times he has made comments in angry that are not good. But I am not a snowflake and live in the real world where people get mad and say things they regret.

Do you run or own a travel team? If not you do not provide me and my child a place to play high level lacrosse. You can say this club X is better and here is why. But your child like hatred for this club is unhealthy. Madlax is a high level option and does way more good then bad. All clubs have negatives and people involved with the club with people skill issues. But to imply over and over that Madlax is awful and the worst thing around is just wrong. I come back at you every time because I keep waiting for you to point out real points about Madlax and why they are so bad. But you just keep crying over a email fight he got with a dad that only have of the email chain was made public this is a fact.

Thank you Cabell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please. No college coach would watch that crap. In Poolsville.

Face it, Madlax apologist. Their tournaments suck. At least you make a buck selling your photos.

I talked to them and the website lists the one that showed up. . You are correct this was a high school B to low A tournament no one there thought they where going to play Crabs,Sweetlax or 91. The college coaches there were from schools that wanted kids from this level. If you play on a low A team or B high school team you want the D3 and D2 coaches watching you play. What good does it do for you to play in front of top 25 D1 coaches if your son is a D2,D3 player? The tournament had refs , goals and a great schedule. Your hatred is so out of control you can not give Madlax credit for anything. By your count 13 clubs had a place to play and the games where all played well. There was 2 or 3 coaches on the sidelines of each game. On par with all the other second tier high school tournaments. We were at the 3D at the Soccer complex and those sidelines had 2 to 3 coaches each. Take a nap and find some other club to hate no matter what they do.

1. No college coaches went to that crappy event

2. The fact that you call it a "low A" event shows how crazy you are

3. You are actually praising them for having goals at the event

4. If you look at the putrid lineup, it is impossible to call it a great schedule

Do you ever think about the fact that you post every day to praise a guy who actually threatens his own clients?

1. There where college coaches at this event so this is a lie. No a ton but they where there. So you are wrong.
2.So let me change this to a B level tournament low A is a trigger word for you somehow.
3. When I said had goals its was short for Fields,goals,refs,bathrooms,shade trees,balls on the end line and food trucks. is this better.
4. And the schedule was good because you started at 8am or 9am and where done by 2 or 3pm. And if all the teams are putrid as you say then it is a good schedule because the teams are evenly matched correct?

And for your last point I have agreed 100 times he has made comments in angry that are not good. But I am not a snowflake and live in the real world where people get mad and say things they regret.

Do you run or own a travel team? If not you do not provide me and my child a place to play high level lacrosse. You can say this club X is better and here is why. But your child like hatred for this club is unhealthy. Madlax is a high level option and does way more good then bad. All clubs have negatives and people involved with the club with people skill issues. But to imply over and over that Madlax is awful and the worst thing around is just wrong. I come back at you every time because I keep waiting for you to point out real points about Madlax and why they are so bad. But you just keep crying over a email fight he got with a dad that only have of the email chain was made public this is a fact.

Thank you Cabell

Madlax is nothing special, get over yourself daddy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please. No college coach would watch that crap. In Poolsville.

Face it, Madlax apologist. Their tournaments suck. At least you make a buck selling your photos.

I talked to them and the website lists the one that showed up. . You are correct this was a high school B to low A tournament no one there thought they where going to play Crabs,Sweetlax or 91. The college coaches there were from schools that wanted kids from this level. If you play on a low A team or B high school team you want the D3 and D2 coaches watching you play. What good does it do for you to play in front of top 25 D1 coaches if your son is a D2,D3 player? The tournament had refs , goals and a great schedule. Your hatred is so out of control you can not give Madlax credit for anything. By your count 13 clubs had a place to play and the games where all played well. There was 2 or 3 coaches on the sidelines of each game. On par with all the other second tier high school tournaments. We were at the 3D at the Soccer complex and those sidelines had 2 to 3 coaches each. Take a nap and find some other club to hate no matter what they do.

1. No college coaches went to that crappy event

2. The fact that you call it a "low A" event shows how crazy you are

3. You are actually praising them for having goals at the event

4. If you look at the putrid lineup, it is impossible to call it a great schedule

Do you ever think about the fact that you post every day to praise a guy who actually threatens his own clients?

1. There where college coaches at this event so this is a lie. No a ton but they where there. So you are wrong.
2.So let me change this to a B level tournament low A is a trigger word for you somehow.
3. When I said had goals its was short for Fields,goals,refs,bathrooms,shade trees,balls on the end line and food trucks. is this better.
4. And the schedule was good because you started at 8am or 9am and where done by 2 or 3pm. And if all the teams are putrid as you say then it is a good schedule because the teams are evenly matched correct?

And for your last point I have agreed 100 times he has made comments in angry that are not good. But I am not a snowflake and live in the real world where people get mad and say things they regret.

Do you run or own a travel team? If not you do not provide me and my child a place to play high level lacrosse. You can say this club X is better and here is why. But your child like hatred for this club is unhealthy. Madlax is a high level option and does way more good then bad. All clubs have negatives and people involved with the club with people skill issues. But to imply over and over that Madlax is awful and the worst thing around is just wrong. I come back at you every time because I keep waiting for you to point out real points about Madlax and why they are so bad. But you just keep crying over a email fight he got with a dad that only have of the email chain was made public this is a fact.

Thank you Cabell

Madlax is nothing special, get over yourself daddy.

Its better then 90% of the clubs in the country.

90%???? It costs more then 90% of the clubs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

90%???? It costs more then 90% of the clubs

Once again no one ever has the Balls to put the club and full cost they pay for that club to really compare how much Madlax costs. So when you do that you can make claims of how much more it costs. Also make sure you put the amount of tournaments and practices the money paid out gets your son compared to whatever club you have the guts to post. Once again I have to fight these guys blind hate for a club that hurt there feelings. I will put my disclaimer out again and say Madlax is not prefect but its a top 3 option in the DMV and has allways been.

You are a machine. The BJs you get must be amazing for you to work this hard.

Your commitment to bashing this club is way more amazing. I read the sight and only respond to your attacks. I like to learn about the other topics talked about on these forums. My son is actively playing for a Madlax team. I am watching him play and see with my own eyes what Madlax is about. You I am guessing do not have a son on a Madlax team. So you are the one who never misses a chance to try to bash this club that you have no real connection to. I am not a doctor but my guess is your mental state on this topic is way worse then my need to defend the club my son plays for. My only guess is your are part of VLC or Blackwolf because these are the only real local comps to Madlax. If your son plays on any of the other local clubs you just have a huge Axe to grind because you son was cut or benched by a Madlax owner or coach. And let me point out you never have the balls to say what club your son plays for and what you pay per year to play for this team. With a break down of what you get for the money.

You're the redneck guy who was complaining about some clubs not posting rosters because you actually keep track of which BOYS play for which teams and you actually wanted to watch other games to see other BOYS play.

Are you're calling other people weird?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're the redneck guy who was complaining about some clubs not posting rosters because you actually keep track of which BOYS play for which teams and you actually wanted to watch other games to see other BOYS play.

Are you're calling other people weird?

So am I the only one that sees this guy trying to redirect the topic of my direct questions to him or is it just me?
I brought up the rosters because yes I follow the path of my sons teammates. I became friends with there parents and I find it interesting to see if they are still playing club ball 2,3,4 years later. Also I know these kids skill levels so it helps to gauge the talent of a team. The other reason I brought up that some of these clubs keep the rosters locked is because it shows that they are not transparent as a club. Rosters not posted,club costs not posted, amount you get for your money not posted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're the redneck guy who was complaining about some clubs not posting rosters because you actually keep track of which BOYS play for which teams and you actually wanted to watch other games to see other BOYS play.

Are you're calling other people weird?

So am I the only one that sees this guy trying to redirect the topic of my direct questions to him or is it just me?
I brought up the rosters because yes I follow the path of my sons teammates. I became friends with there parents and I find it interesting to see if they are still playing club ball 2,3,4 years later. Also I know these kids skill levels so it helps to gauge the talent of a team. The other reason I brought up that some of these clubs keep the rosters locked is because it shows that they are not transparent as a club. Rosters not posted,club costs not posted, amount you get for your money not posted.

WOW! I am not the one you have been going back and forth with but you are way over thinking this. I am on the board of an NVYLL club and my son plays HS now. The reason the rosters are locked with many NVYLL clubs is just the nature of the website. Many lacrosse clubs use the same web site service as it caters to youth sports, many clubs do the same. Not trying to "hide" rosters. Most clubs do publish cost but parents always know the cost before the pay. The only way to know if the money was "worth it" would be to experience a season as the definition is unique to each player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're the redneck guy who was complaining about some clubs not posting rosters because you actually keep track of which BOYS play for which teams and you actually wanted to watch other games to see other BOYS play.

Are you're calling other people weird?

So am I the only one that sees this guy trying to redirect the topic of my direct questions to him or is it just me?
I brought up the rosters because yes I follow the path of my sons teammates. I became friends with there parents and I find it interesting to see if they are still playing club ball 2,3,4 years later. Also I know these kids skill levels so it helps to gauge the talent of a team. The other reason I brought up that some of these clubs keep the rosters locked is because it shows that they are not transparent as a club. Rosters not posted,club costs not posted, amount you get for your money not posted.

If you are so interested where a boy is playing, couldn't you just email or text the parent? Stalking boys online is a little weird. I don't know all the history concerning you, but the previous poster has a point. You do sound a little creepy. Do you do anything else besides keeping tabs on boys and defending Madlax?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You're the redneck guy who was complaining about some clubs not posting rosters because you actually keep track of which BOYS play for which teams and you actually wanted to watch other games to see other BOYS play.

Are you're calling other people weird?

So am I the only one that sees this guy trying to redirect the topic of my direct questions to him or is it just me?
I brought up the rosters because yes I follow the path of my sons teammates. I became friends with there parents and I find it interesting to see if they are still playing club ball 2,3,4 years later. Also I know these kids skill levels so it helps to gauge the talent of a team. The other reason I brought up that some of these clubs keep the rosters locked is because it shows that they are not transparent as a club. Rosters not posted,club costs not posted, amount you get for your money not posted.

If you are so interested where a boy is playing, couldn't you just email or text the parent? Stalking boys online is a little weird. I don't know all the history concerning you, but the previous poster has a point. You do sound a little creepy. Do you do anything else besides keeping tabs on boys and defending Madlax?[/quot
No one is stalking anyone. I was just using the locked rosters as a example of how Madlax is more transparent then these other clubs because they post their rosters,schedule,costs and practice schedule. So when I try to compare these other clubs it can not be done because these other clubs have most of the real info locked up.
And If I have so much time to defend Madlax what does it say about these guys who have so much time to bash Madlax and never supply facts about the club they pay there money to?

Trig's Back!

How did he survive the abuse revelations for his annual Madlax bashing at tryout time?

Love those photos, Madlax guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Love those photos, Madlax guy.

I am not him. That guy is a great guy and has a better life then me so he does not have time respond to you idiots.

I guess you get BJs from both of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you get BJs from both of them.

Is that the best you can do? Pathetic.

Hello Madlax Parents,
How do you feel about the one large list of players and no rosters yet for the top and bottom team for each group?
I think its a great idea for the younger ages because your son can prove his skill in the next month to earn a spot on the top team. But for the high school team it will be harder because the top players will miss most of these workouts I would guess. I am not bashing this process but Madlax is the only DMV club doing this method of team structure just wanted to poll the other Madlax parents.

P.S. all the Madlax haters please feel free to give your 2 cents but at least say if you are a true Madlax parent or not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello Madlax Parents,
How do you feel about the one large list of players and no rosters yet for the top and bottom team for each group?
I think its a great idea for the younger ages because your son can prove his skill in the next month to earn a spot on the top team. But for the high school team it will be harder because the top players will miss most of these workouts I would guess. I am not bashing this process but Madlax is the only DMV club doing this method of team structure just wanted to poll the other Madlax parents.

P.S. all the Madlax haters please feel free to give your 2 cents but at least say if you are a true Madlax parent or not.

It sounds great, but it's really just a smoke screen. All the kids in a grade practice together which is fine. But except for 1-2 kids on the Capital bubble, these guys know exactly who is on Capital and who is on DMV. But by not saying who is who until the tournaments start, it gives false hope to the DMV kids whose parents don't want to hear they are on the B team. My son has always been on Capital and everyone knows who is who. It fools mostly the new people to the club and those with blinders on who are clinging to false hope.

There is a reason why they do it this way. It attracts more people who are hoping/expect to be Capital when their kid is not good enough even though they are already locked in for the DMV team. I feel sorry for them because the DMV teams are pretty bad.

It's a clever ploy to convince all the B team families to sign on nonetheless. Lure them in with hope. It is true that there is some movement, back and forth between teams. But by and large you are talking 1-2 players per team.

Agree with the two responses above. Also, it would have been nice to learn about what is going on via an email from Cabell or Harrison, instead of here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello Madlax Parents,
How do you feel about the one large list of players and no rosters yet for the top and bottom team for each group?
I think its a great idea for the younger ages because your son can prove his skill in the next month to earn a spot on the top team. But for the high school team it will be harder because the top players will miss most of these workouts I would guess. I am not bashing this process but Madlax is the only DMV club doing this method of team structure just wanted to poll the other Madlax parents.

P.S. all the Madlax haters please feel free to give your 2 cents but at least say if you are a true Madlax parent or not.

It sounds great, but it's really just a smoke screen. All the kids in a grade practice together which is fine. But except for 1-2 kids on the Capital bubble, these guys know exactly who is on Capital and who is on DMV. But by not saying who is who until the tournaments start, it gives false hope to the DMV kids whose parents don't want to hear they are on the B team. My son has always been on Capital and everyone knows who is who. It fools mostly the new people to the club and those with blinders on who are clinging to false hope.

There is a reason why they do it this way. It attracts more people who are hoping/expect to be Capital when their kid is not good enough even though they are already locked in for the DMV team. I feel sorry for them because the DMV teams are pretty bad.

I agree the B or second teams have been pretty bad. The second teams where pretty good 5 years ago. But them being good showed people that this market could handle new and more clubs. Does anyone know how many second/B teams the Hawks are fielding this year? I know Next Level is doing a 2019/2020 second team. I think the Irony of the second teams is if parents egos or kids egos where not so bad then these top clubs should and could have great second/ B teams. If your son does not make a top tier A team it would make sense in theory to play for a top teams B team and practice vs. top A talent as much as possible. Just look at the talent of the 4 B level programs just in DMV alone. Cavs,Evergreen,Top Cal, and Battlelax. Maybe one or two more. If you took the best 3 players or more from each of these 4 clubs your team would win some north A bracket tournaments for sure. But Egos let these teams talk really good players into being top dogs on weak teams. I am sure other areas have this problem. But with my knowledge of this political lacrosse world the top clubs do have more pull and do there best to shut out the lower level clubs from the "places to be" at every chance they can.

So my question to this forum is. Second teams Good or Bad? If Good what is the best format to do them? If Bad how do you keep the talent from being to spread out and watered down?

I think in the past it was not as much of an issue as both teams were decent but with the younger teams 2022 and below there is a large gap between Capital and DMV not even close. Many kids that are on NVYLL A teams look to other programs. These are good players but fear being "stuck" on the DMV team. In the past there were not as many other options for N.VA kids now the DMV teams are playing at a lower level than NVYLL A teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree with the two responses above. Also, it would have been nice to learn about what is going on via an email from Cabell or Harrison, instead of here.

It has been on the website for over a year

DC Express B teams will be better than most of A teams....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think in the past it was not as much of an issue as both teams were decent but with the younger teams 2022 and below there is a large gap between Capital and DMV not even close. Many kids that are on NVYLL A teams look to other programs. These are good players but fear being "stuck" on the DMV team. In the past there were not as many other options for N.VA kids now the DMV teams are playing at a lower level than NVYLL A teams

In the past teams were U11/U13 etc so there were A and B teams for 2 year gaps instead of the current situation where there are A and B teams for every year.

Too many team to have them all be quality

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express B teams will be better than most of A teams....

DC Express 2021 B team will be horrible

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think in the past it was not as much of an issue as both teams were decent but with the younger teams 2022 and below there is a large gap between Capital and DMV not even close. Many kids that are on NVYLL A teams look to other programs. These are good players but fear being "stuck" on the DMV team. In the past there were not as many other options for N.VA kids now the DMV teams are playing at a lower level than NVYLL A teams

I think that is a prefect point. If any of the NVYLL A teams can beat your travel $1500 team this is a issue. Now I agree most NVYLL A teams are full with Madlax and VLC players but the best case is to combine these clubs so the talent is more controlled like in the NVYLL with the A,B and C level based by tryouts.

Who cares about DCE B team this is the MadLax discussion. I think the real issue is college recruiting. Teams like VLC and Blackwolf have done fairly well in this area. MadLax still has the best track record but how many of this kids are on the lower team? Like it or not that is a major draw for teams and concern for parents

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about DCE B team this is the MadLax discussion. I think the real issue is college recruiting. Teams like VLC and Blackwolf have done fairly well in this area. MadLax still has the best track record but how many of this kids are on the lower team? Like it or not that is a major draw for teams and concern for parents

So with this being said you would be for a VLC ,Blackwolf and Madlax all having 2 or 3 teams at each grade level and these other clubs go away or just play at a C level? The EGOs would never let this happen but I think if these 3 clubs went for 3 teams at each level the talent in DMV would be placed so much better on the correct team/talent level then it is now. Take a large NVYLL team. Some teams have enough kids for 4 to 6 teams at each age level. They are split up in theory by talent level A to C.
If every kid playing travel lacrosse in the DMV was pushed to one of 3 clubs and then these 3 clubs fielded 3 teams at each level you would still have the same amount of kids playing travel but the talent would be playing on the correct level at a way higher rate. This would benefit the whole area also because when the DMV clubs left the area they would win more then they do now for sure.

Think it would be better to name the Capital and DMV rosters now. If there are a couple bubble players [must be extremely small percentage], don't put them on either roster and let the families know what is going on. That way, everyone goes into the fall program with no surprises and no one should complain. Did Madlax cut anyone from tryouts? The lists are so long that it looks like they took everybody.

Talked to some dads who attended VLC tryouts and word was 2022 will still be bad, 2023 looked stacked, 2021 was strong and hard to tell with the 2024/25. Anyone hearing anything different? Also any word on Club Blue NVA for the MS ages?am

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about DCE B team this is the MadLax discussion. I think the real issue is college recruiting. Teams like VLC and Blackwolf have done fairly well in this area. MadLax still has the best track record but how many of this kids are on the lower team? Like it or not that is a major draw for teams and concern for parents

Um, no. BW and VLC are similar to, if not better, at college recruiting than Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about DCE B team this is the MadLax discussion. I think the real issue is college recruiting. Teams like VLC and Blackwolf have done fairly well in this area. MadLax still has the best track record but how many of this kids are on the lower team? Like it or not that is a major draw for teams and concern for parents

So with this being said you would be for a VLC ,Blackwolf and Madlax all having 2 or 3 teams at each grade level and these other clubs go away or just play at a C level? The EGOs would never let this happen but I think if these 3 clubs went for 3 teams at each level the talent in DMV would be placed so much better on the correct team/talent level then it is now. Take a large NVYLL team. Some teams have enough kids for 4 to 6 teams at each age level. They are split up in theory by talent level A to C.
If every kid playing travel lacrosse in the DMV was pushed to one of 3 clubs and then these 3 clubs fielded 3 teams at each level you would still have the same amount of kids playing travel but the talent would be playing on the correct level at a way higher rate. This would benefit the whole area also because when the DMV clubs left the area they would win more then they do now for sure.

You literally say this same crap every two weeks. Nobody cares about your proposal, dude.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talked to some dads who attended VLC tryouts and word was 2022 will still be bad, 2023 looked stacked, 2021 was strong and hard to tell with the 2024/25. Anyone hearing anything different? Also any word on Club Blue NVA for the MS ages?am

It is hard to evaluate CB tryouts as there was very talented players on the field but MD/VA teams played together they had numbers so they should have a decent VA team. Where do they plan to put the teams in HOCO. At least the players know if they are trying out for CB-VA or CB-MD. It should be interesting to see where the club goes. Question: if VLC 2022 last season was combined with 2023 and did not fare well in HOCO how would the 2023 team be stacked? Where did these players come from? Just curious asking for a friend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talked to some dads who attended VLC tryouts and word was 2022 will still be bad, 2023 looked stacked, 2021 was strong and hard to tell with the 2024/25. Anyone hearing anything different? Also any word on Club Blue NVA for the MS ages?am

It is hard to evaluate CB tryouts as there was very talented players on the field but MD/VA teams played together they had numbers so they should have a decent VA team. Where do they plan to put the teams in HOCO. At least the players know if they are trying out for CB-VA or CB-MD. It should be interesting to see where the club goes. Question: if VLC 2022 last season was combined with 2023 and did not fare well in HOCO how would the 2023 team be stacked? Where did these players come from? Just curious asking for a friend.

My friend said it was hard to tell where the VLC kids came from. Helmets from local clubs that you would expect may be there (Madlax, BLC, Crabs (one), Cavs, 3D, Next Level) but also a bunch of blank helmets from boys who must have peeled their old decals off. Who knows? Maybe they will stink. Just sharing what I heard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talked to some dads who attended VLC tryouts and word was 2022 will still be bad, 2023 looked stacked, 2021 was strong and hard to tell with the 2024/25. Anyone hearing anything different? Also any word on Club Blue NVA for the MS ages?am

It is hard to evaluate CB tryouts as there was very talented players on the field but MD/VA teams played together they had numbers so they should have a decent VA team. Where do they plan to put the teams in HOCO. At least the players know if they are trying out for CB-VA or CB-MD. It should be interesting to see where the club goes. Question: if VLC 2022 last season was combined with 2023 and did not fare well in HOCO how would the 2023 team be stacked? Where did these players come from? Just curious asking for a friend.

A friend of mine asked a friend of his and he wasn't sure where they came from.

Numbers-wise it's pretty close year in and year out. Madlax will usually have more high profile players going to UNC or MD, but after that there is a significant drop off in the quality of the schools represented.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talked to some dads who attended VLC tryouts and word was 2022 will still be bad, 2023 looked stacked, 2021 was strong and hard to tell with the 2024/25. Anyone hearing anything different? Also any word on Club Blue NVA for the MS ages?am

Talked to someone whose kid can play and was there. Said the VLC 2022 team is much better based on who they dumped and added. Confirmed that 2023 team looked great and that their 2024 will be just ok.

Hard to tell about CB. Making a VA team helps Giblin, but the club could be weaker by having two teams per grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about DCE B team this is the MadLax discussion. I think the real issue is college recruiting. Teams like VLC and Blackwolf have done fairly well in this area. MadLax still has the best track record but how many of this kids are on the lower team? Like it or not that is a major draw for teams and concern for parents

So with this being said you would be for a VLC ,Blackwolf and Madlax all having 2 or 3 teams at each grade level and these other clubs go away or just play at a C level? The EGOs would never let this happen but I think if these 3 clubs went for 3 teams at each level the talent in DMV would be placed so much better on the correct team/talent level then it is now. Take a large NVYLL team. Some teams have enough kids for 4 to 6 teams at each age level. They are split up in theory by talent level A to C.
If every kid playing travel lacrosse in the DMV was pushed to one of 3 clubs and then these 3 clubs fielded 3 teams at each level you would still have the same amount of kids playing travel but the talent would be playing on the correct level at a way higher rate. This would benefit the whole area also because when the DMV clubs left the area they would win more then they do now for sure.

You literally say this same crap every two weeks. Nobody cares about your proposal, dude.

It was not a proposal Dumb As* it was a hypothetical. The point was if there was less clubs total and more 1st, 2nd or even 3rd teams for each of the clubs would it help everyone over all. I would say yes it would. I do not care if wanted to remove Madlax from the clubs list. I just think there needs to be a push to less clubs. And the clubs that stay doing 1s and 2nd teams. I think that format is way better for DMV lacrosse. But the Dads egos of the DMV want little Johnny to be a star on a crappy team but the club owner tells him how much he loves him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about DCE B team this is the MadLax discussion. I think the real issue is college recruiting. Teams like VLC and Blackwolf have done fairly well in this area. MadLax still has the best track record but how many of this kids are on the lower team? Like it or not that is a major draw for teams and concern for parents

So with this being said you would be for a VLC ,Blackwolf and Madlax all having 2 or 3 teams at each grade level and these other clubs go away or just play at a C level? The EGOs would never let this happen but I think if these 3 clubs went for 3 teams at each level the talent in DMV would be placed so much better on the correct team/talent level then it is now. Take a large NVYLL team. Some teams have enough kids for 4 to 6 teams at each age level. They are split up in theory by talent level A to C.
If every kid playing travel lacrosse in the DMV was pushed to one of 3 clubs and then these 3 clubs fielded 3 teams at each level you would still have the same amount of kids playing travel but the talent would be playing on the correct level at a way higher rate. This would benefit the whole area also because when the DMV clubs left the area they would win more then they do now for sure.

You literally say this same crap every two weeks. Nobody cares about your proposal, dude.

It was not a proposal Dumb As* it was a hypothetical. The point was if there was less clubs total and more 1st, 2nd or even 3rd teams for each of the clubs would it help everyone over all. I would say yes it would. I do not care if wanted to remove Madlax from the clubs list. I just think there needs to be a push to less clubs. And the clubs that stay doing 1s and 2nd teams. I think that format is way better for DMV lacrosse. But the Dads egos of the DMV want little Johnny to be a star on a crappy team but the club owner tells him how much he loves him.

There is too much $$$$ being made by most club owners - if anything I suspect you would see more, not less. Case in point ... DCE coming into the mix recently. Cavlax and Madlax now having girls lacrosse programs. Club Blue with MD and VA teams. It goes on and on.

There is a happy medium in there somewhere - where, I'm not sure. While I wish my son's club team could draw more talent from certain regions, I'm also happy I don't have to drive to Baltimore so my son can practice and play on a "A" level club.

Regarding tiers for clubs, Madlax already does this. National/Capital/MDVA. Most view this as a pure money grab, as it brings in a ton of kids. Sure, they may pull a couple kids up from MDVA to Capital - but for the most part, the lines are set and folks know it. The MDVA is a B team, end of story. On the plus side, it does give kids who want to play club lacrosse an avenue to do so ... and from what I've heard, some have played B their whole life and ended up in good college programs regardless.

End of the day, until there is less $$$ to be made or the sport stops growing, the # of clubs is here to stay.

Nobody who plays Madlax B goes to college. It is also run by a psycho.

After madlax capital who are the next best thing in nova in 2022 VLC club blue top caliber

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After madlax capital who are the next best thing in nova in 2022 VLC club blue top caliber

At 2022 Evergreen is the next best team after Madlax cap. At 2023 it is Cav but sounds like it may now be VLC

Evergreen 2022 is a joke. Madlax 2022 is the best in the DMV, but VLC is #2. For 2023, it is either Madlax or VLC based on what several dads have told me. Definitely not Cavalier 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen 2022 is a joke. Madlax 2022 is the best in the DMV, but VLC is #2. For 2023, it is either Madlax or VLC based on what several dads have told me. Definitely not Cavalier 2023.

2022) Not sure Evergreen would even beat Cavs 2022. If limited to NVA teams, guessing that #2 is Cavs or VLC - behind Madlax Capital.

2023) I would not count out Cavs 2023. They won every summer tourney and have some huge athletic kids. My guess is Madlax Capital or VLC at the top, and Cavs close behind. Heard Evergreen is horrendous at 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would not count out Cavs 2023. They won every summer tourney

Please tell me you are drunk. These are the "tournaments" Cavalier 2023 won:

Aloha Beach Bash
Shore Wars
Hogans Hershey

I have never even heard of the first 2 events. I looked up the draw at Hogan Hershey and I have never heard of those teams other than Madlax DMV.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would not count out Cavs 2023. They won every summer tourney

Please tell me you are drunk. These are the "tournaments" Cavalier 2023 won:

Aloha Beach Bash
Shore Wars
Hogans Hershey

I have never even heard of the first 2 events. I looked up the draw at Hogan Hershey and I have never heard of those teams other than Madlax DMV.

I agree, My son tried out for a Cavs team and made it this year. He also made a top level club team. The Cavs team at tryouts had talent but when I compared the tournaments the Cavs attend compared to this top clubs schedule of tournaments it was night and day. Cavs play in the lowest level of HOCO and then play in weak tournaments to rack up wins. This gives Cavs only parents a false sense of where this team is and where there kid stands with skill level.

madlax 2023 is average at best. Anyone decent left. They should drop to AA or A,hoco going to elite'AA'A and B brackets next year. Madlax coaching over RATED. if 2023 STAYS IN ELITE THEY WON'T WIN A GAME. Club blue Crabs NL FCA Hawks and BLC all smash madlax. It's OVER!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

madlax 2023 is average at best. Anyone decent left. They should drop to AA or A,hoco going to elite'AA'A and B brackets next year. Madlax coaching over RATED. if 2023 STAYS IN ELITE THEY WON'T WIN A GAME. Club blue Crabs NL FCA Hawks and BLC all smash madlax. It's OVER!!!!

I will give you that Madlax Cap this spring and summer at 2023 might be below the teams listed but I think you would not be wise to count out any Madlax Cap team in 7th grade. They have ways to reach out to the top Privates to find talent to upgrade a weak team. And Madlax is still the first place the lower level kids go to when they hit high school always great talent added to Madlax at the 8th and 9th grade years. They all where saying Madlax 2020 is dead 2 years ago. Well they might not be top 5 now but they are playing and winning some with the big boys now.

Club Blue will have one team in Maryland 2023. Wont have teams at any other grade - Club Blue is over in Maryland, but with Giblin Coaching in Virginia - has a shot to form mediocre teams in Virginia. There are no other CB Teams - all the Mater Dei kids play for BLC now - again exception of 2023 where they have kept a group together - not because its Club Blue, but because they have a highly dedicated coach who is excellent - every other year group left or was never formed after 2023 - so too late to try now. They hold tryouts and no one shows up for Maryland. Lets see how Virginia goes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would not count out Cavs 2023. They won every summer tourney

Please tell me you are drunk. These are the "tournaments" Cavalier 2023 won:

Aloha Beach Bash
Shore Wars
Hogans Hershey

I have never even heard of the first 2 events. I looked up the draw at Hogan Hershey and I have never heard of those teams other than Madlax DMV.

I agree, My son tried out for a Cavs team and made it this year. He also made a top level club team. The Cavs team at tryouts had talent but when I compared the tournaments the Cavs attend compared to this top clubs schedule of tournaments it was night and day. Cavs play in the lowest level of HOCO and then play in weak tournaments to rack up wins. This gives Cavs only parents a false sense of where this team is and where there kid stands with skill level.

Agree that Cavs should stop beating up on weaklings and step up their schedule in both HOCO and summer. But I also understand their approach is good for business, retention is better when you win. Most Cavs kids are Loudoun and parents do not want to drive inside the Beltway or to MD.

Read on another board that Evergreen 2022 picked up most of the 2022 3d kids and that the 2019, 2021, 2022 and 2024 teams folded at 3d. Can anyone confirm that? Wow what is going on at 3d? Why would the 2022's go to Evergreen? That program has not been very good in the past?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Read on another board that Evergreen 2022 picked up most of the 2022 3d kids and that the 2019, 2021, 2022 and 2024 teams folded at 3d. Can anyone confirm that? Wow what is going on at 3d? Why would the 2022's go to Evergreen? That program has not been very good in the past?

Evergreen 2022 also picked up some kids from CAV's and have very good coaching from PVI and DM from MD. They have a great facility and many of these kids also play for the football program at Evergreen. The 2022 team at 3d may not have been very good but still won the HOCO AAA div which is really b?? I guess because they did not win or play elite. This group from 3d are good players low A not B and the Evergreen team will be strong for a N.VA team and will be the next best team besides MAD LAX CAP. VLC 2022 also played in HOCO AAA and did not win. Evergreen 2023 will not be as strong. Cav's still may be the best of that group next to Mad Lax cap. VLC 2023 and Club Blue are unknown until they play 3d still will have a 2023 team and was middle of the pack in HOCO A then there are the other teams that do not play hoco Top Caliber is the best of these and will continue to draw Robinson players. That is the current state of club lax in N.VA for middle school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Read on another board that Evergreen 2022 picked up most of the 2022 3d kids and that the 2019, 2021, 2022 and 2024 teams folded at 3d. Can anyone confirm that? Wow what is going on at 3d? Why would the 2022's go to Evergreen? That program has not been very good in the past?

Evergreen 2022 also picked up some kids from CAV's and have very good coaching from PVI and DM from MD. They have a great facility and many of these kids also play for the football program at Evergreen. The 2022 team at 3d may not have been very good but still won the HOCO AAA div which is really b?? I guess because they did not win or play elite. This group from 3d are good players low A not B and the Evergreen team will be strong for a N.VA team and will be the next best team besides MAD LAX CAP. VLC 2022 also played in HOCO AAA and did not win. Evergreen 2023 will not be as strong. Cav's still may be the best of that group next to Mad Lax cap. VLC 2023 and Club Blue are unknown until they play 3d still will have a 2023 team and was middle of the pack in HOCO A then there are the other teams that do not play hoco Top Caliber is the best of these and will continue to draw Robinson players. That is the current state of club lax in N.VA for middle school.

Would be surprised if Evergreen 2022 is better than Cavs 2022 but who knows. Cavs 2023 soundly beat 3d 2023 in HOCO, and Evergreen 2023 probably can't beat most NVYLL Upper B teams. If limited to NVA middle school teams, Cavs is probably 2nd or 3rd to Madlax Capital in most age groups with VLC in there as well. Did hear that the 3d group moving to Evergreen is led by some high-maintenance pain-in-the-butt parents.

And did 3D really disband all those teams?

Please stop touting Evergreen. They have a bunch of turf fields, which is nice. But last time I checked, every club has a place to practice. Their talent pool is terrible no matter what coaches they may have.

VLC 2022 went 0-6 in the same division club blue went 5-1

So can anyone confirm 3d lost 2019, 2021, 2022 and 2024 teams? Word on the street is that they never hired any coaches and it was all daddy ball?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC 2022 went 0-6 in the same division club blue went 5-1

Who owns VLC?

Crabs owns VLC. They were a combo team last year and got stomped. So-so talent. They cut more 50% of the team and should be respectable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs owns VLC. They were a combo team last year and got stomped. So-so talent. They cut more 50% of the team and should be respectable.

Until this year, the youngest VLC team was 7th grade. As noted numerous times earlier, VLC 2022 was a combined 6th/7th grade team and it is no surprise that they struggled, but if you do not start teams until 7th grade, combo teams are likely. You need the younger pipeline (6th and younger) like Madlax and Cavs to make sure you have a decent core of kids coming into MS. And that's probably why VLC started forming younger teams this year.

But yes, by all accounts, VLC 2022 was bad last year - but that was probably just an outlier.

One reality all N.VA clubs need to face is that fewer kids are playing lacrosse in N.VA. This is true across all of the NVYLL clubs. There are now more travel teams with fewer players which means two things: first, the talent pool will be diluted and kids will be spread out across several teams, second, some clubs are simply not going to make it (look at 3d this year)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One reality all N.VA clubs need to face is that fewer kids are playing lacrosse in N.VA. This is true across all of the NVYLL clubs. There are now more travel teams with fewer players which means two things: first, the talent pool will be diluted and kids will be spread out across several teams, second, some clubs are simply not going to make it (look at 3d this year)

You are an idiot. The more kids who are playing club and getting better instruction, the better. That helps those kids and everyone. You are looking at what is better from the CLUB's perspective, which, of course, means fewer clubs is better for the remaining clubs.

Stop being a [lacrosse] and saying the same thing over and over again you've been saying for 2 years. If you had the kids' best interests in mind, you wouldn't keep saying the same stupid thing over and over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One reality all N.VA clubs need to face is that fewer kids are playing lacrosse in N.VA. This is true across all of the NVYLL clubs. There are now more travel teams with fewer players which means two things: first, the talent pool will be diluted and kids will be spread out across several teams, second, some clubs are simply not going to make it (look at 3d this year)

is there a way to fact check that NVYLL has less kids playing lacrosse. The sport is growing are you implying that it is losing numbers over all in DMV? Can we come up with a true number of clubs then times that by 20 kids and see what that number is. Then someone with access to it find a total of kids playing NVYLL.
I would say if each NVYLL club has a A level team at each grade. What % of those kids on each A team are or should be playing for a Travel program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One reality all N.VA clubs need to face is that fewer kids are playing lacrosse in N.VA. This is true across all of the NVYLL clubs. There are now more travel teams with fewer players which means two things: first, the talent pool will be diluted and kids will be spread out across several teams, second, some clubs are simply not going to make it (look at 3d this year)

is there a way to fact check that NVYLL has less kids playing lacrosse. The sport is growing are you implying that it is losing numbers over all in DMV? Can we come up with a true number of clubs then times that by 20 kids and see what that number is. Then someone with access to it find a total of kids playing NVYLL.
I would say if each NVYLL club has a A level team at each grade. What % of those kids on each A team are or should be playing for a Travel program?

It is true. The NVYLL has reported to its members to kids playing NVYLL have declined the last 2 years. Not sure why.

If you're in VA, there are really only three "blue blood" programs -- VLC, Blackwolf and Madlax. Period. If your son's goal is to play at the highest level in college, these are the top 3 programs in the area that will get them there. Just look at the commitment list of each respective program and the quality of schools.

The second layer of programs are clubs like Evergreen, 3D, Cavs, etc. These are B level clubs. Yes, they have some quality players. Yes, they've won championships in the past. And yes, some of their kids go off and play at the collegiate level. But as a whole, the level of play and the quality of tournaments they play in will not match the three clubs listed above.

One of the primary reasons to play club ball is exposure; specifically college coaches. There will always be a flight to quality - if they have a choice between attending tournaments like Crabfeast, NLF or Platinum Cup vs. Hogan Hersey and Summer Slam ... well the choice is a simple one. The quality of coaching and the resumes of coaches is usually higher as well (i.e. CNU vs. UNC, Bridgewater vs. Ohio State, etc. etc.)

This is one of the main reasons kids who are AA talent who play on the B level clubs leave for the likes of Madlax, BW and VLC. They simply play in better quality tournaments that draw a larger pool of D1 coaches, and get better coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One reality all N.VA clubs need to face is that fewer kids are playing lacrosse in N.VA. This is true across all of the NVYLL clubs. There are now more travel teams with fewer players which means two things: first, the talent pool will be diluted and kids will be spread out across several teams, second, some clubs are simply not going to make it (look at 3d this year)

is there a way to fact check that NVYLL has less kids playing lacrosse. The sport is growing are you implying that it is losing numbers over all in DMV? Can we come up with a true number of clubs then times that by 20 kids and see what that number is. Then someone with access to it find a total of kids playing NVYLL.
I would say if each NVYLL club has a A level team at each grade. What % of those kids on each A team are or should be playing for a Travel program?

OK good thing is is a slow day at work. However this did not take too long as NVYLL keeps historical records and when challenged to fact check, I work in a numbers industry and cannot help myself. I used the 2012 records from NVYLL and compared U13 div which is now 12U with the 2017 records.
In 2012 NVYLL had 22 (A) teams 51 (B) teams and 33 (C) teams compete at U13 for a total of 106 teams estimated at 19 per team = 2,014 players.
In 2017 spring NVYLL had 21 (A orange and Blue) teams 24 (UB ub1, ub2, ub3) and 25 (LB or lower B Lb1,lb2,lb3) for a total of 70 teams at 19 per team = 1,330 players.
That is a difference of 684 players. What has changed is that some players do not play NVYLL and only play for a club in the spring. I know based on personal knowledge that this does not account for all players as some do play both. However, if we assume no kids play both club and NVYLL then we would have to assume the difference of 684 players are all playing club? If a club may take a larger roster, for example 23 players per team the number still does not add up. Only Madlax with 4 Teams Capital and DMV 2022 and 2023, Cavalier 2 teams 2022 and 2023, 3d 2 teams 2022 and 2023, and VLC 1 team 2022 played in the HOCO league. That is 13 x 23 = 299 players that leaves another 385 players not playing and assumes none of the kids did not also play NVYLL but the number is even higher. A good estimate may be a loss of 500 players not playing lacrosse. This would equal the loss 20 teams worth of players. Factor in the increased number of clubs and the math is quite simple. I am not a club owner of director however if I were I would pay attention to these numbers.

This redneck guy needs help. Not only is he begging for rosters so that he can watch his "son's friends" play on some random lax field, but not he is furiously going through NVYLL web pages and counting on his fingers.

Nobody knows why the numbers are dropping, but this is not like soccer where very few top kids play for both club and rec. Some have dropped rec, but not enough to account for the deficit. And I didn't have to use my toes.

Can also confirm that NVYLL numbers are way down. In my Rec area, the overall number of boys teams has decreased almost 50% in the past 5 years. Trending strongly away from players playing both Club and NVYLL A in the spring. With Clubs practicing 2-3 times a week in the spring, some are telling kids not to play Rec. But the exodus to Club can not be the only reason for NVYLL's decreased numbers. It is also kids not wanting to play for whatever reason. Football numbers are worse but concussions can explain a lot of football's problems. In reactionary fashion, NVYLL is looking into finishing its playoffs earlier so it does not conflict with early summer (early June) tourneys.

That would be a stupid thing to do by the NVYLL. If you do that, you are retreating and telling clubs to go ahead and stomp all over rec lacrosse.

If the numbers are down, I'm guessing it's more than many kids jumped on the lacrosse wave few years ago because of the lax bro culture or something else appealing about the sport. I'm guessing the popularity among casual lacrosse players has ebbed and that's what's hurting rec lacrosse right now. The number of top tier kids who've abandoned rec in favor of club is not enough to cause this situation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs owns VLC. They were a combo team last year and got stomped. So-so talent. They cut more 50% of the team and should be respectable.

Until this year, the youngest VLC team was 7th grade. As noted numerous times earlier, VLC 2022 was a combined 6th/7th grade team and it is no surprise that they struggled, but if you do not start teams until 7th grade, combo teams are likely. You need the younger pipeline (6th and younger) like Madlax and Cavs to make sure you have a decent core of kids coming into MS. And that's probably why VLC started forming younger teams this year.

But yes, by all accounts, VLC 2022 was bad last year - but that was probably just an outlier.

VLC couldn't even field a 2025 team this year. However the addition of the 2024 - they are going to be a team to watch!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That would be a stupid thing to do by the NVYLL. If you do that, you are retreating and telling clubs to go ahead and stomp all over rec lacrosse.

If the numbers are down, I'm guessing it's more than many kids jumped on the lacrosse wave few years ago because of the lax bro culture or something else appealing about the sport. I'm guessing the popularity among casual lacrosse players has ebbed and that's what's hurting rec lacrosse right now. The number of top tier kids who've abandoned rec in favor of club is not enough to cause this situation.

Exactly. Not enough casual players. Maybe middle schoolers thinking it is too late to pick up the sport. Doesn't matter if it is other sports or electronic/online games. Bottom line is less kids are signing up.

Disagree on NVYLL shortening the season being stupid. NVYLL playoffs have been in direct conflict with early-June Club tournaments for the past couple years. This puts families in a tough spot. If this conflict is avoided, more boys may play both Club and Rec. For advanced players, the ship has already left on Club lax stomping all over Rec lax. It is about damage control for Rec at this point.

How is this East Coast Showcase they put on? Is it worth the trip from Long Island?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is this East Coast Showcase they put on? Is it worth the trip from Long Island?

LOL. it is in the cellar of recruiting events. No coachway and most of the kids are terrible. Then they rope some of the families into playing an extra day to play as a cobbled together team in their hs event, where they will get destroyed by good iac and wcac teams. Go okay in a real event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is this East Coast Showcase they put on? Is it worth the trip from Long Island?

LOL. it is in the cellar of recruiting events. No coachway and most of the kids are terrible. Then they rope some of the families into playing an extra day to play as a cobbled together team in their hs event, where they will get destroyed by good iac and wcac teams. Go okay in a real event.

This is very false. I will agree the Summer Madlax showcase is not top notch. But the fall event is very good. Large number of Capital Madlax players play in this during the Fall. And for the second day yes you will get crushed by a top high school team but if you think scouts will not be out to see this level of high school teams you are nuts. This fall tournament will have 5 of the top 10 teams in the US. this Nov.

Landon (MD)
Gonzaga (DC)
St. Stephen's (VA)
Georgetown Prep (MD)
Paul VI (VA)
Madlax Nationals (USA)
Fog City (St. Ignatius, CA)
St. Christopher's (VA)
Hill Academy #1 (Canada)
Hill Academy #2 (Canada)
Malvern Prep (PA)
St. Anne's Belfield (VA)
St. John's (DC)
IMG Academy (FL)

So this is the list of High School teams playing in the team tournament connected to the East coast showcase. They are saying they have two slots open which will be filled by showcase kids from the day before. So please tell me how the colleges will not be showing up to watch these teams play? I think I can handle my public school son getting a Butt kicking by these teams. If he is able to score one goal on Hill Academy that should open at least one college coaches eyes I would think?

How about insight on the Madlax Fall Fest for youth teams. It looks like not a lot of teams committed yet in the website. Will they cancel if they cannot get at least 6 teams per age group? I am not sure most teams want to play both Madlax teams twice. I am not sure the Madlax teams want to play each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is this East Coast Showcase they put on? Is it worth the trip from Long Island?

LOL. it is in the cellar of recruiting events. No coachway and most of the kids are terrible. Then they rope some of the families into playing an extra day to play as a cobbled together team in their hs event, where they will get destroyed by good iac and wcac teams. Go okay in a real event.

This is very false. I will agree the Summer Madlax showcase is not top notch. But the fall event is very good. Large number of Capital Madlax players play in this during the Fall. And for the second day yes you will get crushed by a top high school team but if you think scouts will not be out to see this level of high school teams you are nuts. This fall tournament will have 5 of the top 10 teams in the US. this Nov.

You are an idiot. The Saturday session is the "recruiting" session, and it sucks (ever more than the Summer one because the weather is lousy AND there are much better events, so no good colleges come to this one). The Sunday session is a good event for HS, but even then there are like 2-3 coaches max on the sidelines.

And those recruiters pay zero attention to the combo teams cobbled together from the Saturday session. One, those kids play terrible lax because they don't know each other and those kids individually are terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Landon (MD)
Gonzaga (DC)
St. Stephen's (VA)
Georgetown Prep (MD)
Paul VI (VA)
Madlax Nationals (USA)
Fog City (St. Ignatius, CA)
St. Christopher's (VA)
Hill Academy #1 (Canada)
Hill Academy #2 (Canada)
Malvern Prep (PA)
St. Anne's Belfield (VA)
St. John's (DC)
IMG Academy (FL)

So this is the list of High School teams playing in the team tournament connected to the East coast showcase. They are saying they have two slots open which will be filled by showcase kids from the day before. So please tell me how the colleges will not be showing up to watch these teams play? I think I can handle my public school son getting a Butt kicking by these teams. If he is able to score one goal on Hill Academy that should open at least one college coaches eyes I would think?

No, redneck dad. There are only 5-8 guys who come to the event period. There are much better events that they go to on that weekend. But those who are there are there to watch the IAC and WCAC teams, not a team thrown together of mediocre kids. The guy is watching the kid from Hill Academy, not the random HS kid getting run over.

How come Madlax never posted its girls' team rosters? Were they able to field teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How come Madlax never posted its girls' team rosters? Were they able to field teams?

Why do you think? Because the turnout and quality was terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Landon (MD)
Gonzaga (DC)
St. Stephen's (VA)
Georgetown Prep (MD)
Paul VI (VA)
Madlax Nationals (USA)
Fog City (St. Ignatius, CA)
St. Christopher's (VA)
Hill Academy #1 (Canada)
Hill Academy #2 (Canada)
Malvern Prep (PA)
St. Anne's Belfield (VA)
St. John's (DC)
IMG Academy (FL)

So this is the list of High School teams playing in the team tournament connected to the East coast showcase. They are saying they have two slots open which will be filled by showcase kids from the day before. So please tell me how the colleges will not be showing up to watch these teams play? I think I can handle my public school son getting a Butt kicking by these teams. If he is able to score one goal on Hill Academy that should open at least one college coaches eyes I would think?

No, redneck dad. There are only 5-8 guys who come to the event period. There are much better events that they go to on that weekend. But those who are there are there to watch the IAC and WCAC teams, not a team thrown together of mediocre kids. The guy is watching the kid from Hill Academy, not the random HS kid getting run over.

You know what the best part is when you call me Redneck dad it gets funnier every time. Also you know what amuses me the most. How you can bash a Madlax product or team but once again you never give your club or another event that is better so we can compare to see if you are correct or not. So we know the weekend please list the showcases that are better? I will be waiting for your list and your club so we can see this way better option you are referring to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Landon (MD)
Gonzaga (DC)
St. Stephen's (VA)
Georgetown Prep (MD)
Paul VI (VA)
Madlax Nationals (USA)
Fog City (St. Ignatius, CA)
St. Christopher's (VA)
Hill Academy #1 (Canada)
Hill Academy #2 (Canada)
Malvern Prep (PA)
St. Anne's Belfield (VA)
St. John's (DC)
IMG Academy (FL)

So this is the list of High School teams playing in the team tournament connected to the East coast showcase. They are saying they have two slots open which will be filled by showcase kids from the day before. So please tell me how the colleges will not be showing up to watch these teams play? I think I can handle my public school son getting a Butt kicking by these teams. If he is able to score one goal on Hill Academy that should open at least one college coaches eyes I would think?

No, redneck dad. There are only 5-8 guys who come to the event period. There are much better events that they go to on that weekend. But those who are there are there to watch the IAC and WCAC teams, not a team thrown together of mediocre kids. The guy is watching the kid from Hill Academy, not the random HS kid getting run over.

You know what the best part is when you call me Redneck dad it gets funnier every time. Also you know what amuses me the most. How you can bash a Madlax product or team but once again you never give your club or another event that is better so we can compare to see if you are correct or not. So we know the weekend please list the showcases that are better? I will be waiting for your list and your club so we can see this way better option you are referring to.

Right off the top of my head - Philly Showcase on 11/18. Not even close. My son attended last year as a Freshman and it was very well attended.

You can scroll through the 22 pages of college coaches that attended last year.

https://nxttournaments.com/uploads/files/BPS_to_PFI_Coaches.pdf

Yes sir you are correct this Showcase is better then the Madlax Fall showcase. So this showcase has spots for what 100 to 200 kids? How many kids want to attend a showcase this weekend in question. I would say 1000 or more. So I never said the Madlax showcase was the best in the USA. But it does have a large number of college coaches I have been twice and both times it has 4 to 8 not counting the 4 on filed all day at every field. Your pure hate for any thing with Madlax on it is just at work again. So for you to be even anywhere near correct you need to name 4 other showcases this weekend that are better on the EAST coast. I am getting so tired of having to counter punch you every time you go out of your way to slander Madlax just so you feel like a tough guy.

Please just string my stick.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please just string my stick.....

Please just one time put your real name on this site. I will pay you $1000. I would so love to punch you punk As* in the face.

Does the owner give you hand jobs or BJs? They are apparently amazing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the owner give you hand jobs or BJs? They are apparently amazing.

Does the owner of VLC or Blackwolf owner prefer back rubs or soft kisses on the neck from you?

Butterfly kisses wishes on wings. Just do not bounce your check MFer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the owner give you hand jobs or BJs? They are apparently amazing.

Does the owner of VLC or Blackwolf owner prefer back rubs or soft kisses on the neck from you?

You are the only person here propping up that maniac. Nobody else is concerned with having to defend their club.

The fake redneck approach is a good technique to mask your identity. Love those photos of yours. Understand you have to defend that owner to keep that cash cow alive.

The BW owner prefers raping 14 yr. girls and then threatening to kill them. If you don't believe me, read it yourself:

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The BW owner prefers raping 14 yr. girls and then threatening to kill them. If you don't believe me, read it yourself: ***.

Can anyone confirm that the BW owner is this same guy in this article? 26 years old with a 15 year old girl at a school. And people really want to talk about the Madlax owner yelling at kids and mean emails? I guess you all do not care because you have boys?

This is a MadLax Lacrosse discussion page. Why are you asking these questions on this board? Please refer to the BW board....ohh there isn't one. Guess you should ask a parent of a BW player. What is the point of asking a question here?

What is the point? A admitted child molester is the owner of a club that is talked about and plays in the same tournaments as Madlax and you think people would not like to know this? I think the fact that he has been able to ascend to the level he has shows a lot about people and sports. Would you let him be a principle, daycare owner, or anything else involving kids. I am sure the answer is no. His name should be popping up on those predator apps you use when buying a house. And we talk about his club and give it credibility. [lacrosse] I have even told many Dads if BW emails you. You should go play for them its a great club. I have a 14 year old daughter. You think I would want her in the team tent with this guy?

When that guy gets the ISP records, finds out who you are and sues you, what are you going to do then?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When that guy gets the ISP records, finds out who you are and sues you, what are you going to do then?

sue for what - posting links to old news articles?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When that guy gets the ISP records, finds out who you are and sues you, what are you going to do then?

If you read back I started with can someone confirm this is him. Then I got a answer saying it was him and everyone knew. If you would like to confirm this article is not about the Blackwolf owner I will be glad to take it all back. To be honest I hope this is not him. But if it is they have laws and website that track and inform the public of child predators. Please confirm this to be false. Because if true it is a complete failure on the DMV lacrosse world to not remove him from any place of power with kids.

I guess you are really angry that Madlax is declining rapidly. We'll see if you strategy of trying to take down other clubs works.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you are really angry that Madlax is declining rapidly. We'll see if you strategy of trying to take down other clubs works.

If I was talking about mean emails or zone D you would be correct. But the fact you think me bringing up a child molesters record is about trying to make another club more money is why people hate lacrosse parents.

Just finish stringing my head and take a break from tearing down others.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you are really angry that Madlax is declining rapidly. We'll see if you strategy of trying to take down other clubs works.

If I was talking about mean emails or zone D you would be correct. But the fact you think me bringing up a child molesters record is about trying to make another club more money is why people hate lacrosse parents.

I don't care about that guy, but you have done plenty of slander in addition to that link. It will be pretty easy for him to get the ISP log once he decides to sue you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just finish stringing my head and take a break from tearing down others.....

Really you want to go with me tearing down others. When we are talking about a child predator. This is a public service announcement. I guess this what happens in the lacrosse world. Rich old white people are the best at pushing all horrible things in the closet .

Madlax slowly disintegrating.

2019 - great team in its final season
2020 - average
2021 - weak
2022 - good
2023 - weak
2024 - great
2025 and younger - average

NL and DCE have taken away Maryland. VLC youth getting stronger. Club Blue VA a potential threat. Madlax continues to decline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax slowly disintegrating.

2019 - great team in its final season
2020 - average
2021 - weak
2022 - good
2023 - weak
2024 - great
2025 and younger - average

NL and DCE have taken away Maryland. VLC youth getting stronger. Club Blue VA a potential threat. Madlax continues to decline.

Look, I'm not a Madlax apologist. But how can you possibly know this - have you scouted the teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax slowly disintegrating.

2019 - great team in its final season
2020 - average
2021 - weak
2022 - good
2023 - weak
2024 - great
2025 and younger - average

NL and DCE have taken away Maryland. VLC youth getting stronger. Club Blue VA a potential threat. Madlax continues to decline.

Look, I'm not a Madlax apologist. But how can you possibly know this - have you scouted the teams?

I'm not a ML parent either, but I know the 2021 team picked up a group of Club Blue boys that will make the team much better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax slowly disintegrating.

2019 - great team in its final season
2020 - average
2021 - weak
2022 - good
2023 - weak
2024 - great
2025 and younger - average

NL and DCE have taken away Maryland. VLC youth getting stronger. Club Blue VA a potential threat. Madlax continues to decline.

Look, I'm not a Madlax apologist. But how can you possibly know this - have you scouted the teams?

I'm not a ML parent either, but I know the 2021 team picked up a group of Club Blue boys that will make the team much better

Madlax will always get better as the team gets older. The 2020 team that you call avg. could of been called weak 3 years ago. The best part is when you call a Madlax team weak it just tells people they have a chance to make the team and they show up at tryouts when the parent is feeling the pressure of college recruiting. The 2018 and 2019 class have the #1 one overall player in the country and double digit D1 commits. You think they can not get good players with the track record they have? They take the best players and have 3 tryouts a year. Great players will show up. So if you are a 2021 parent just wait a year or two and it will be hard for your kid to get playing time I promise.

2024 team is only as good as #24 (tall middie). Shut him down and the team is average at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax slowly disintegrating.

2019 - great team in its final season
2020 - average
2021 - weak
2022 - good
2023 - weak
2024 - great
2025 and younger - average

NL and DCE have taken away Maryland. VLC youth getting stronger. Club Blue VA a potential threat. Madlax continues to decline.

Look, I'm not a Madlax apologist. But how can you possibly know this - have you scouted the teams?

I'm not a ML parent either, but I know the 2021 team picked up a group of Club Blue boys that will make the team much better

If Madlax can get by Evergreen in October they will prove they are one of the top teams in N.VA. Until that time we will all have to wait.

2024 has 40 kids on their Fall roster, unreal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax slowly disintegrating.

2019 - great team in its final season
2020 - average
2021 - weak
2022 - good
2023 - weak
2024 - great
2025 and younger - average

NL and DCE have taken away Maryland. VLC youth getting stronger. Club Blue VA a potential threat. Madlax continues to decline.

Look, I'm not a Madlax apologist. But how can you possibly know this - have you scouted the teams?

I'm not a ML parent either, but I know the 2021 team picked up a group of Club Blue boys that will make the team much better

Madlax will always get better as the team gets older. The 2020 team that you call avg. could of been called weak 3 years ago. The best part is when you call a Madlax team weak it just tells people they have a chance to make the team and they show up at tryouts when the parent is feeling the pressure of college recruiting. The 2018 and 2019 class have the #1 one overall player in the country and double digit D1 commits. You think they can not get good players with the track record they have? They take the best players and have 3 tryouts a year. Great players will show up. So if you are a 2021 parent just wait a year or two and it will be hard for your kid to get playing time I promise.

Those BJs the Madlax guy gives you for every one of your posts must be the bomb.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2024 has 40 kids on their Fall roster, unreal.

That is two teams. The website even lists that final team assignments will be made in October. I am not sure if that was even a real comment.

The 2021 team was weak in past years, but that definitely was not true last year. Finished 3rd in HoCo elite division, and did very well against top competition at Adrenaline, NLF and U. Md. tournaments.

Madlax relies more and more from out of towners. The 2020 team got better because they have kids from NC playing regularly with them now. The 2021 team relies heavily on a out of town kid. When he's not there, they struggle.

Not surprising given their talent pool in the DMV is shrinking every day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2024 team is only as good as #24 (tall middie). Shut him down and the team is average at best.

Good luck with that. #24 is bigger, faster, and stronger than most "9th graders." And if he doesn't burn you, #19 will. Two best offensive kids at this age group right now. #48 is probably best defensive kid. The team is stacked from top to bottom. People get so caught up with #24 that they look right past all the other stars on the team. Give them some credit. You don't win all the championships and tourneys they have with just 1 player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax relies more and more from out of towners. The 2020 team got better because they have kids from NC playing regularly with them now. The 2021 team relies heavily on a out of town kid. When he's not there, they struggle.

Not surprising given their talent pool in the DMV is shrinking every day.

What are you talking about? Fall tryouts were packed. Most kids ever. Picked up lots of new talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2024 team is only as good as #24 (tall middie). Shut him down and the team is average at best.

Good luck with that. #24 is bigger, faster, and stronger than most "9th graders." And if he doesn't burn you, #19 will. Two best offensive kids at this age group right now. #48 is probably best defensive kid. The team is stacked from top to bottom. People get so caught up with #24 that they look right past all the other stars on the team. Give them some credit. You don't win all the championships and tourneys they have with just 1 player.

I've heard from numerous sources that #24 is on age. Even so, he should play up for his own development. Too good to be playing at 2024.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2024 team is only as good as #24 (tall middie). Shut him down and the team is average at best.

Good luck with that. #24 is bigger, faster, and stronger than most "9th graders." And if he doesn't burn you, #19 will. Two best offensive kids at this age group right now. #48 is probably best defensive kid. The team is stacked from top to bottom. People get so caught up with #24 that they look right past all the other stars on the team. Give them some credit. You don't win all the championships and tourneys they have with just 1 player.

I've heard from numerous sources that #24 is on age. Even so, he should play up for his own development. Too good to be playing at 2024.

Not sure what team your son is on, but it's obviously not one of the better teams.

When Long Island comes to town, 24 is an above average player. Nothing more. He lacks speed, quickness and effort. Skills are ok. If he wasn't 8" taller than every other player, he'd be riding the pines.

19 is their player. Best kid on the team. Not even close. Look for him to be locked off and watch the losses to quality teams mount up.

The rest of the team is above average. No standouts.

Just remember, Madlax moms and dads, while you are drinking your Madlax Koolaid, your record against quality Long Island teams is lopsided in the loss column.

Get use to it. Long Island lacrosse has the best youth lacrosse on the planet. It's always been that way. Always will.

There's LI and then everyone else. Too bad LI wanaabees!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2024 team is only as good as #24 (tall middie). Shut him down and the team is average at best.

Good luck with that. #24 is bigger, faster, and stronger than most "9th graders." And if he doesn't burn you, #19 will. Two best offensive kids at this age group right now. #48 is probably best defensive kid. The team is stacked from top to bottom. People get so caught up with #24 that they look right past all the other stars on the team. Give them some credit. You don't win all the championships and tourneys they have with just 1 player.

I've heard from numerous sources that #24 is on age. Even so, he should play up for his own development. Too good to be playing at 2024.

Not sure what team your son is on, but it's obviously not one of the better teams.

When Long Island comes to town, 24 is an above average player. Nothing more. He lacks speed, quickness and effort. Skills are ok. If he wasn't 8" taller than every other player, he'd be riding the pines.

19 is their player. Best kid on the team. Not even close. Look for him to be locked off and watch the losses to quality teams mount up.

The rest of the team is above average. No standouts.

Just remember, Madlax moms and dads, while you are drinking your Madlax Koolaid, your record against quality Long Island teams is lopsided in the loss column.

Get use to it. Long Island lacrosse has the best youth lacrosse on the planet. It's always been that way. Always will.

There's LI and then everyone else. Too bad LI wanaabees!

The most competitive tourney of the summer was arguably NLF Summer Series. The winners for the different ages were Hawks, Crabs, T9-1LI, and Express. 2 for MD and 2 for LI.

Looks pretty even to me.

Madlax 2024 is the best team in that grade. Period. The big kid is a match up nightmare. That said, kids will catch up to him by the time he reaches hs. Happens all the time. Other teams will catch up to Madlax. Kids leave because of playing time or get tired of the Madlax owner's BS. Existing players leave because they can play for similar experiences for 2/3 the cost. Some later realize it's not worth compromising their morals to play for a nightmare of an owner. Other kids and teams get better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2024 team is only as good as #24 (tall middie). Shut him down and the team is average at best.

Good luck with that. #24 is bigger, faster, and stronger than most "9th graders." And if he doesn't burn you, #19 will. Two best offensive kids at this age group right now. #48 is probably best defensive kid. The team is stacked from top to bottom. People get so caught up with #24 that they look right past all the other stars on the team. Give them some credit. You don't win all the championships and tourneys they have with just 1 player.

I've heard from numerous sources that #24 is on age. Even so, he should play up for his own development. Too good to be playing at 2024.

Not sure what team your son is on, but it's obviously not one of the better teams.

When Long Island comes to town, 24 is an above average player. Nothing more. He lacks speed, quickness and effort. Skills are ok. If he wasn't 8" taller than every other player, he'd be riding the pines.

19 is their player. Best kid on the team. Not even close. Look for him to be locked off and watch the losses to quality teams mount up.

The rest of the team is above average. No standouts.

Just remember, Madlax moms and dads, while you are drinking your Madlax Koolaid, your record against quality Long Island teams is lopsided in the loss column.

Get use to it. Long Island lacrosse has the best youth lacrosse on the planet. It's always been that way. Always will.

There's LI and then everyone else. Too bad LI wanaabees!

Yeah you must really be from LI dad. Your son 19 is a good player it is cute how you go online and pretend to be from NY to brag about your 6th grade son. Nice try though

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2024 team is only as good as #24 (tall middie). Shut him down and the team is average at best.

Good luck with that. #24 is bigger, faster, and stronger than most "9th graders." And if he doesn't burn you, #19 will. Two best offensive kids at this age group right now. #48 is probably best defensive kid. The team is stacked from top to bottom. People get so caught up with #24 that they look right past all the other stars on the team. Give them some credit. You don't win all the championships and tourneys they have with just 1 player.

I've heard from numerous sources that #24 is on age. Even so, he should play up for his own development. Too good to be playing at 2024.

Not sure what team your son is on, but it's obviously not one of the better teams.

When Long Island comes to town, 24 is an above average player. Nothing more. He lacks speed, quickness and effort. Skills are ok. If he wasn't 8" taller than every other player, he'd be riding the pines.

19 is their player. Best kid on the team. Not even close. Look for him to be locked off and watch the losses to quality teams mount up.

The rest of the team is above average. No standouts.

Just remember, Madlax moms and dads, while you are drinking your Madlax Koolaid, your record against quality Long Island teams is lopsided in the loss column.

Get use to it. Long Island lacrosse has the best youth lacrosse on the planet. It's always been that way. Always will.

There's LI and then everyone else. Too bad LI wanaabees!

The most competitive tourney of the summer was arguably NLF Summer Series. The winners for the different ages were Hawks, Crabs, T9-1LI, and Express. 2 for MD and 2 for LI.

Looks pretty even to me.

We are talking about the 2024 age bracket. Try to stay up!

At that age, the NLF was no where near the most competitive tourney! Obviously your son plays on one of those teams.

News flash! Crabs are absolutely horrendous. Hawks and Express aren't that much better.

The most competitive tourney of the summer, nothing comes close, was the invite-only Elite 8. The best 8 teams in the country.

*** Madlax couldn't even make it to the finals! ***

Typical result when they go against the big boys from LI.

The LI WP won that championship in YOUR backyard!

Just another example of LI domination of the sport!

I think 6-4 in the finals wasn't exactly domination at Elite 8. But a very very good squad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2024 team is only as good as #24 (tall middie). Shut him down and the team is average at best.

Good luck with that. #24 is bigger, faster, and stronger than most "9th graders." And if he doesn't burn you, #19 will. Two best offensive kids at this age group right now. #48 is probably best defensive kid. The team is stacked from top to bottom. People get so caught up with #24 that they look right past all the other stars on the team. Give them some credit. You don't win all the championships and tourneys they have with just 1 player.

I've heard from numerous sources that #24 is on age. Even so, he should play up for his own development. Too good to be playing at 2024.

Not sure what team your son is on, but it's obviously not one of the better teams.

When Long Island comes to town, 24 is an above average player. Nothing more. He lacks speed, quickness and effort. Skills are ok. If he wasn't 8" taller than every other player, he'd be riding the pines.

19 is their player. Best kid on the team. Not even close. Look for him to be locked off and watch the losses to quality teams mount up.

The rest of the team is above average. No standouts.

Just remember, Madlax moms and dads, while you are drinking your Madlax Koolaid, your record against quality Long Island teams is lopsided in the loss column.

Get use to it. Long Island lacrosse has the best youth lacrosse on the planet. It's always been that way. Always will.

There's LI and then everyone else. Too bad LI wanaabees!

The most competitive tourney of the summer was arguably NLF Summer Series. The winners for the different ages were Hawks, Crabs, T9-1LI, and Express. 2 for MD and 2 for LI.

Looks pretty even to me.

We are talking about the 2024 age bracket. Try to stay up!

At that age, the NLF was no where near the most competitive tourney! Obviously your son plays on one of those teams.

News flash! Crabs are absolutely horrendous. Hawks and Express aren't that much better.

The most competitive tourney of the summer, nothing comes close, was the invite-only Elite 8. The best 8 teams in the country.

*** Madlax couldn't even make it to the finals! ***

Typical result when they go against the big boys from LI.

The LI WP won that championship in YOUR backyard!

Just another example of LI domination of the sport!

LI domination! There is nothing to do on Sh*t Inland at this age but play lacrosse. Let's talk in 3 years Pizzabaggle

#48 is the best defended cause he's a holdback. No one on 2024 team will dispute that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC vs t9-1li in Nlf 2024 championship.

Not all LI Championship. Md vs LI. Seems pretty even to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2024 team is only as good as #24 (tall middie). Shut him down and the team is average at best.

Good luck with that. #24 is bigger, faster, and stronger than most "9th graders." And if he doesn't burn you, #19 will. Two best offensive kids at this age group right now. #48 is probably best defensive kid. The team is stacked from top to bottom. People get so caught up with #24 that they look right past all the other stars on the team. Give them some credit. You don't win all the championships and tourneys they have with just 1 player.

I've heard from numerous sources that #24 is on age. Even so, he should play up for his own development. Too good to be playing at 2024.

Not sure what team your son is on, but it's obviously not one of the better teams.

When Long Island comes to town, 24 is an above average player. Nothing more. He lacks speed, quickness and effort. Skills are ok. If he wasn't 8" taller than every other player, he'd be riding the pines.

19 is their player. Best kid on the team. Not even close. Look for him to be locked off and watch the losses to quality teams mount up.

The rest of the team is above average. No standouts.

Just remember, Madlax moms and dads, while you are drinking your Madlax Koolaid, your record against quality Long Island teams is lopsided in the loss column.

Get use to it. Long Island lacrosse has the best youth lacrosse on the planet. It's always been that way. Always will.

There's LI and then everyone else. Too bad LI wanaabees!

The most competitive tourney of the summer was arguably NLF Summer Series. The winners for the different ages were Hawks, Crabs, T9-1LI, and Express. 2 for MD and 2 for LI.

Looks pretty even to me.

We are talking about the 2024 age bracket. Try to stay up!

At that age, the NLF was no where near the most competitive tourney! Obviously your son plays on one of those teams.

News flash! Crabs are absolutely horrendous. Hawks and Express aren't that much better.

The most competitive tourney of the summer, nothing comes close, was the invite-only Elite 8. The best 8 teams in the country.

*** Madlax couldn't even make it to the finals! ***

Typical result when they go against the big boys from LI.

The LI WP won that championship in YOUR backyard!

Just another example of LI domination of the sport!

More fake news from the deranged LI dad that has been posting on this thread and the NY2024 thread non-stop for the last 48 hours. You are a perfect example of why everyone hates LI, even LI. You really don't warrant a response, but because I am getting sick of you and your nonsense, I will take the bait. Who cares about MM's Elite 8? Are you going really have us believe that ONE weekend when Madlax was missing three starters is proof that LI dominates. No matter how good Madlax 2024 is they are going to struggle when they are missing key players, and don't forget that T91MD beat Taz that weekend. You want to know what shows that LI doesn't dominate. When Madlax played LI's WP in the HHH championship in one of the last games of the summer. Madlax led the entire game. WP struggled to even get the ball in the offensive zone, much less a shot on goal. It was such a pathetic display by WP that the LI dads were urging their kids to take cheap shots. Madlax won with dignity and class, while the refs gave WP the TKO. You want to know what also shows that LI doesn't dominate. When Madlax played LI's Taz in the NXT championship in Madlax's last game of the summer. Taz and WP are good, but they certainly don't dominate the sport. You really should get a hobby and lay off the delusional posts.

MADLAX Dad.... you need to get a life!! Its youth sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More fake news from the deranged LI dad that has been posting on this thread and the NY2024 thread non-stop for the last 48 hours. You are a perfect example of why everyone hates LI, even LI. You really don't warrant a response, but because I am getting sick of you and your nonsense, I will take the bait. Who cares about MM's Elite 8? Are you going really have us believe that ONE weekend when Madlax was missing three starters is proof that LI dominates. No matter how good Madlax 2024 is they are going to struggle when they are missing key players, and don't forget that T91MD beat Taz that weekend. You want to know what shows that LI doesn't dominate. When Madlax played LI's WP in the HHH championship in one of the last games of the summer. Madlax led the entire game. WP struggled to even get the ball in the offensive zone, much less a shot on goal. It was such a pathetic display by WP that the LI dads were urging their kids to take cheap shots. Madlax won with dignity and class, while the refs gave WP the TKO. You want to know what also shows that LI doesn't dominate. When Madlax played LI's Taz in the NXT championship in Madlax's last game of the summer. Taz and WP are good, but they certainly don't dominate the sport. You really should get a hobby and lay off the delusional posts.

You're just as much of an idiot. It's about having fun and getting better. When your son (if he's still playing) gets to HS, nobody cares who won a 6th grade tournament. And guess what? The day after a 10th grade tournament, nobody cares, either (including the team that won).

Get a life, Madlax. No wonder everybody hates your club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More fake news from the deranged LI dad that has been posting on this thread and the NY2024 thread non-stop for the last 48 hours. You are a perfect example of why everyone hates LI, even LI. You really don't warrant a response, but because I am getting sick of you and your nonsense, I will take the bait. Who cares about MM's Elite 8? Are you going really have us believe that ONE weekend when Madlax was missing three starters is proof that LI dominates. No matter how good Madlax 2024 is they are going to struggle when they are missing key players, and don't forget that T91MD beat Taz that weekend. You want to know what shows that LI doesn't dominate. When Madlax played LI's WP in the HHH championship in one of the last games of the summer. Madlax led the entire game. WP struggled to even get the ball in the offensive zone, much less a shot on goal. It was such a pathetic display by WP that the LI dads were urging their kids to take cheap shots. Madlax won with dignity and class, while the refs gave WP the TKO. You want to know what also shows that LI doesn't dominate. When Madlax played LI's Taz in the NXT championship in Madlax's last game of the summer. Taz and WP are good, but they certainly don't dominate the sport. You really should get a hobby and lay off the delusional posts.

You're just as much of an idiot. It's about having fun and getting better. When your son (if he's still playing) gets to HS, nobody cares who won a 6th grade tournament. And guess what? The day after a 10th grade tournament, nobody cares, either (including the team that won).

Get a life, Madlax. No wonder everybody hates your club.

Not a Madlax parent, but save your holier than thou crap. Who do you think you are spewing pearls of wisdom like you are better than everyone else? Or bashing some kid's club? You know what: it is about having fun and getting better. But ask any of the kids, and they will all tell you that it is a lot more fun when you win!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More fake news from the deranged LI dad that has been posting on this thread and the NY2024 thread non-stop for the last 48 hours. You are a perfect example of why everyone hates LI, even LI. You really don't warrant a response, but because I am getting sick of you and your nonsense, I will take the bait. Who cares about MM's Elite 8? Are you going really have us believe that ONE weekend when Madlax was missing three starters is proof that LI dominates. No matter how good Madlax 2024 is they are going to struggle when they are missing key players, and don't forget that T91MD beat Taz that weekend. You want to know what shows that LI doesn't dominate. When Madlax played LI's WP in the HHH championship in one of the last games of the summer. Madlax led the entire game. WP struggled to even get the ball in the offensive zone, much less a shot on goal. It was such a pathetic display by WP that the LI dads were urging their kids to take cheap shots. Madlax won with dignity and class, while the refs gave WP the TKO. You want to know what also shows that LI doesn't dominate. When Madlax played LI's Taz in the NXT championship in Madlax's last game of the summer. Taz and WP are good, but they certainly don't dominate the sport. You really should get a hobby and lay off the delusional posts.

You're just as much of an idiot. It's about having fun and getting better. When your son (if he's still playing) gets to HS, nobody cares who won a 6th grade tournament. And guess what? The day after a 10th grade tournament, nobody cares, either (including the team that won).

Get a life, Madlax. No wonder everybody hates your club.

Not a Madlax parent, but save your holier than thou crap. Who do you think you are spewing pearls of wisdom like you are better than everyone else? Or bashing some kid's club? You know what: it is about having fun and getting better. But ask any of the kids, and they will all tell you that it is a lot more fun when you win!

Ok, Madlax dad. Go ahead and defend dads arguing about which 6th grade team is better.

Is your son one of the six reclassed kids on this Madlax 2024 team? Yeah, that's right. We know about those kids.

After all this talk, head to head its 5 - 2. Every team has kids in the summer missing. They were missing 3 starters. Too bad. Head to head you have a losing record. Conversation over. Maybe next summer it will be different. Now stop with your ridiculous Madlax posts. Stay on Maryland thread.

MADLAX
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T 5 out of 7. Bye bye

Evergreen will beat Madlax on October 1.

Too funny. The wop from LI can't even add.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny. The wop from LI can't even add.

from the toothless hick from the sticks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny. The wop from LI can't even add.

from the toothless hick from the sticks.

LONG ISLAND WILL HOUSE "MARY" LAND MY BROTHER

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen will beat Madlax on October 1.

How did that work out yesterday? Did Evergreem win?

Evergreen won by 2 goals. New sheriff in town.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen won by 2 goals. New sheriff in town.

Fake news anyone have the real score?

Evergreen 2024 beat Capital Madlax AAA 2024 (Cabell's team)?

Ok really what was the score? nice try

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen 2024 beat Capital Madlax AAA 2024 (Cabell's team)?

IT was the 2022 teams playing not the 2024s. But I am sure people will only read one of these posts and think this is real.

If Evergreen beat Madlax, that is all the proof you need to know that Madlax is falling apart.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Evergreen beat Madlax, that is all the proof you need to know that Madlax is falling apart.

First of all it was a controlled practice, secondly evergreen had maybe 13 players, and finally - it wasn't even remotely competitive.

Evergreen is a glorified rec team like everyone thought. Madlax scored at will in both 6v6 and the 5 minutes of full field. Hopefully the self proclaimed "new sheriff in town" plays in the HOCO B division.

The club that glorifies the Hey Ungrateful Quitter coach is not to be believed. Evergreen won by 2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The club that glorifies the Hey Ungrateful Quitter coach is not to be believed. Evergreen won by 2.

Wow, hard to believe Evergreen won. I would not have bet on that outcome.

22 maybe, but not 2024.

Would the Evergreen guy please just stop with the Fake scores and posts. We are all aware all the information on this site needs to be taken in context. But if we can not even get real scores from games this site is dead.

Yes please stop with all the post on all the different pages. I would keep a low profile until the season starts and if you have a good year then run your mouth as you please. All you are doing right now is making harder on your program when you are not good at the top levels or if you do not place teams at that level you will look real bad. Silence speaks much louder.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes please stop with all the post on all the different pages. I would keep a low profile until the season starts and if you have a good year then run your mouth as you please. All you are doing right now is making harder on your program when you are not good at the top levels or if you do not place teams at that level you will look real bad. Silence speaks much louder.

Your owner should heed your words about keeping a low profile.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes please stop with all the post on all the different pages. I would keep a low profile until the season starts and if you have a good year then run your mouth as you please. All you are doing right now is making harder on your program when you are not good at the top levels or if you do not place teams at that level you will look real bad. Silence speaks much louder.

Your owner should heed your words about keeping a low profile.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

The funny thing is, he has been keeping a very low profile after this fight with a Jerk from 7 years ago. And if he was such a bad guy how does Madlax keep racking up the D1 verbals and signings over this last couple years?
I have made this point several times he only gets mad when a kid leaves his program for another program. He is very loyal to the kids and family's that have been loyal to him. Is he nuts towards the parents that leave yes, but why should you care if you are leaving? I quit a job 15 years ago and I am sure the boss hates me and calls me names but I quit without telling him why and without notice. Just like this jerk from the story above.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes please stop with all the post on all the different pages. I would keep a low profile until the season starts and if you have a good year then run your mouth as you please. All you are doing right now is making harder on your program when you are not good at the top levels or if you do not place teams at that level you will look real bad. Silence speaks much louder.

Your owner should heed your words about keeping a low profile.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

The funny thing is, he has been keeping a very low profile after this fight with a Jerk from 7 years ago. And if he was such a bad guy how does Madlax keep racking up the D1 verbals and signings over this last couple years?
I have made this point several times he only gets mad when a kid leaves his program for another program. He is very loyal to the kids and family's that have been loyal to him. Is he nuts towards the parents that leave yes, but why should you care if you are leaving? I quit a job 15 years ago and I am sure the boss hates me and calls me names but I quit without telling him why and without notice. Just like this jerk from the story above.

No. When someone leaves a club or a job, normal people say, "Good luck to you". Only infants and this club owner gets angry when people decide to make change because they think it's in their son's best interests. And the dad is a jerk because he decided to dare leave Madlax? How do you know he's a jerk?

Those BJs you get from the club owner must be incredible.

P.S. If you leave a job and don't tell your employer why (and don't give notice), then I understand why you are in love with this club owner. You are obviously a jerk as well.

wrong. Cabell talked S to my 12-yr old kid (plays for another team) in the hand-shake line after Cabell lost. He's till an a$$ 7 yers after the Deadspin article. Can't change the stripes on a zebra.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wrong. Cabell talked S to my 12-yr old kid (plays for another team) in the hand-shake line after Cabell lost. He's till an a$$ 7 yers after the Deadspin article. Can't change the stripes on a zebra.

Well he should not be on a Predator list like the owner of Black Wolf. I agreed he is child like when a kid leaves. But I am not marrying him or letting him raise my son. His out burst are child like but harmless. If you think they are a big deal you need to grow a pair. The results are right in front of your face with what he gets done for the kids you play for his club. Even if you want to argue VLC is better this still leaves Madlax as the second best around. So give it a rest. How old is your kid. How much longer do we have to read about you crying over how mean Cabel is?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wrong. Cabell talked S to my 12-yr old kid (plays for another team) in the hand-shake line after Cabell lost. He's till an a$$ 7 yers after the Deadspin article. Can't change the stripes on a zebra.

Well he should not be on a Predator list like the owner of Black Wolf. I agreed he is child like when a kid leaves. But I am not marrying him or letting him raise my son. His out burst are child like but harmless. If you think they are a big deal you need to grow a pair. The results are right in front of your face with what he gets done for the kids you play for his club. Even if you want to argue VLC is better this still leaves Madlax as the second best around. So give it a rest. How old is your kid. How much longer do we have to read about you crying over how mean Cabel is?

He's an A$$.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wrong. Cabell talked S to my 12-yr old kid (plays for another team) in the hand-shake line after Cabell lost. He's till an a$$ 7 yers after the Deadspin article. Can't change the stripes on a zebra.

I am calling BS. Name the team and date. CM would never do that, and his team rarely ever loses.

Madlax 2024 lost at least 3 games last year, so it could have happened. Guy is a tool in the purest sense of the word, an entitled brat who thinks normal rules and respectful norms don't apply to him. A complete punk who would most certainly back down from a man but intimidate a kid. I had nothing to do with ANY of the previous posts, just thought you should know another opinion from someone with first hand knowledge

Let's talk facts. Nobody is ever going to post a team name and date because it never happened. I've watched CM coach for 5+ years now. Yes, he is passionate. Yes, he can be a PITA. But it is because he cares. Frankly, he has drastically mellowed since he started coaching his own kids. You anonymous tough guys need to remember that owners like CM, MM, have families too. It is easy for you to make up lies. 99% of it is BS, and who cares about the other 1%. None of the coaches are perfect. And if they are, they are probably pretty boring to play for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's talk facts. Nobody is ever going to post a team name and date because it never happened. I've watched CM coach for 5+ years now. Yes, he is passionate. Yes, he can be a PITA. But it is because he cares. Frankly, he has drastically mellowed since he started coaching his own kids. You anonymous tough guys need to remember that owners like CM, MM, have families too. It is easy for you to make up lies. 99% of it is BS, and who cares about the other 1%. None of the coaches are perfect. And if they are, they are probably pretty boring to play for.

I second this post. I have watched him for years also and he has mellowed now that he has kids playing. This only makes sense most people tend to see the big picture better when they start making little people. I know people do not like politics but I find it funny we hold our Club Presidents to I way higher standard then the President of the United States.

Hey Chain Bridge guys, please get off the computer and string my stick!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wrong. Cabell talked S to my 12-yr old kid (plays for another team) in the hand-shake line after Cabell lost. He's till an a$$ 7 yers after the Deadspin article. Can't change the stripes on a zebra.

I am calling BS. Name the team and date. CM would never do that, and his team rarely ever loses.

It happened about this time last year...plain and simple. I was there and saw the kid (who had a bad game that day) in tears. He's a premium A$$!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's talk facts. Nobody is ever going to post a team name and date because it never happened. I've watched CM coach for 5+ years now. Yes, he is passionate. Yes, he can be a PITA. But it is because he cares. Frankly, he has drastically mellowed since he started coaching his own kids. You anonymous tough guys need to remember that owners like CM, MM, have families too. It is easy for you to make up lies. 99% of it is BS, and who cares about the other 1%. None of the coaches are perfect. And if they are, they are probably pretty boring to play for.

I second this post. I have watched him for years also and he has mellowed now that he has kids playing. This only makes sense most people tend to see the big picture better when they start making little people. I know people do not like politics but I find it funny we hold our Club Presidents to I way higher standard then the President of the United States.

First, a post is not a motion and therefore no need to "second" a post. The community of readers of this message board is quite small so when a person states an opinion it is likely based on a personal experience. You may know people who do not like politics but you cannot speak for all people when you say I know people....I have no clue what standard you hold the President of the United States to, but I can assure you that it is your standard and not mine. The role of the President is so far removed from that of a youth club lacrosse coach that I do not even see a point in your grammar challenged post. I would rather read a complete and detailed breakdown of the entire Evergreen roster than another one of your posts. That is not saying much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's talk facts. Nobody is ever going to post a team name and date because it never happened. I've watched CM coach for 5+ years now. Yes, he is passionate. Yes, he can be a PITA. But it is because he cares. Frankly, he has drastically mellowed since he started coaching his own kids. You anonymous tough guys need to remember that owners like CM, MM, have families too. It is easy for you to make up lies. 99% of it is BS, and who cares about the other 1%. None of the coaches are perfect. And if they are, they are probably pretty boring to play for.

I second this post. I have watched him for years also and he has mellowed now that he has kids playing. This only makes sense most people tend to see the big picture better when they start making little people. I know people do not like politics but I find it funny we hold our Club Presidents to I way higher standard then the President of the United States.

First, a post is not a motion and therefore no need to "second" a post. The community of readers of this message board is quite small so when a person states an opinion it is likely based on a personal experience. You may know people who do not like politics but you cannot speak for all people when you say I know people....I have no clue what standard you hold the President of the United States to, but I can assure you that it is your standard and not mine. The role of the President is so far removed from that of a youth club lacrosse coach that I do not even see a point in your grammar challenged post. I would rather read a complete and detailed breakdown of the entire Evergreen roster than another one of your posts. That is not saying much.

I love that you hate me so much. My next question is who do you hate more me or the owner of the club that cut your Kid?

Come on man! Couldn't have been last year at this time....the Madlax 2024 team went undefeated in the fall of 2016.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wrong. Cabell talked S to my 12-yr old kid (plays for another team) in the hand-shake line after Cabell lost. He's till an a$$ 7 yers after the Deadspin article. Can't change the stripes on a zebra.

I am calling BS. Name the team and date. CM would never do that, and his team rarely ever loses.

It happened about this time last year...plain and simple. I was there and saw the kid (who had a bad game that day) in tears. He's a premium A$$!

HA. You lie. You just proved my point. Madlax went undefeated in the Fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's talk facts. Nobody is ever going to post a team name and date because it never happened. I've received BJs from CM and given him handjobs for 5+ years now. Yes, he is passionate. Yes, he can be a PITA. But it is because he cares. Frankly, he has drastically mellowed since he started coaching his own kids. You anonymous tough guys need to remember that owners like CM, MM, have families too. It is easy for you to make up lies. 99% of it is BS, and who cares about the other 1%. None of the coaches are perfect. And if they are, they are probably pretty boring to play for.

Fixed it for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's talk facts. Nobody is ever going to post a team name and date because it never happened. I've watched CM coach for 5+ years now. Yes, he is passionate. Yes, he can be a PITA. But it is because he cares. Frankly, he has drastically mellowed since he started coaching his own kids. You anonymous tough guys need to remember that owners like CM, MM, have families too. It is easy for you to make up lies. 99% of it is BS, and who cares about the other 1%. None of the coaches are perfect. And if they are, they are probably pretty boring to play for.

99% are lies, huh? Here are some facts.

1. He has been fired as a head coach from every job he's ever had.

2. He has threatened many families the same way he did in the ungrateful quitter emails

3. He actually texts kids who opt for other clubs asking them to reconsider. Not the parents, but the kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's talk facts. Nobody is ever going to post a team name and date because it never happened. I've watched CM coach for 5+ years now. Yes, he is passionate. Yes, he can be a PITA. But it is because he cares. Frankly, he has drastically mellowed since he started coaching his own kids. You anonymous tough guys need to remember that owners like CM, MM, have families too. It is easy for you to make up lies. 99% of it is BS, and who cares about the other 1%. None of the coaches are perfect. And if they are, they are probably pretty boring to play for.

I second this post. I have watched him for years also and he has mellowed now that he has kids playing. This only makes sense most people tend to see the big picture better when they start making little people. I know people do not like politics but I find it funny we hold our Club Presidents to I way higher standard then the President of the United States.

Love those photos. Are you still going to take pic of boys playing lacrosse after your son is done? Guess so since that's your income.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wrong. Cabell talked S to my 12-yr old kid (plays for another team) in the hand-shake line after Cabell lost. He's till an a$$ 7 yers after the Deadspin article. Can't change the stripes on a zebra.

I am calling BS. Name the team and date. CM would never do that, and his team rarely ever loses. [/quote]

It happened about this time last year...plain and simple. I was there and saw the kid (who had a bad game that day) in tears. He's a premium A$$![/quote]

HA. You lie. You just proved my point. Madlax went undefeated in the Fall.[/quote]
Uh, wrong again...I never said it was 2024. Learn to read.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's talk facts. Nobody is ever going to post a team name and date because it never happened. Yes, he is passionate. Yes, he can be a PITA. But it is because he cares. Frankly, he has drastically mellowed since he started coaching his own kids. You anonymous tough guys need to remember that owners like CM, MM, have families too. It is easy for you to make up lies. 99% of it is BS, and who cares about the other 1%. None of the coaches are perfect. And if they are, they are probably pretty boring to play for.

Fixed it for you.

So you want us to hate him or not like him because he was mean to you? Please explain how the players for his team are not getting everything and more out of playing for Madlax? Move on he is not hurting anyone he has been mean and a baby towards some people but no real damage has been done. Ask the BW owner about the 16 year old he was caught with? That is real damage!

Yelling on the sideline is one thing. Threatening a kid and his family is another. He is lucky that family didn't press charges against him. If you think it's ok to swallow your integrity and defend him, that's on you. Other people are going to call out this guy for the loser he is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yelling on the sideline is one thing. Threatening a kid and his family is another. He is lucky that family didn't press charges against him. If you think it's ok to swallow your integrity and defend him, that's on you. Other people are going to call out this guy for the loser he is.

For the 10000000 time those emails in the Deadspin left out the reply emails from the Jerk dad. And yes I can call him that I know him, he is a jerk. Was Cabel a jerk yes but you can tell from the posted emails the dads emails where omitted to protect his side.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yelling on the sideline is one thing. Threatening a kid and his family is another. He is lucky that family didn't press charges against him. If you think it's ok to swallow your integrity and defend him, that's on you. Other people are going to call out this guy for the loser he is.

For the 10000000 time those emails in the Deadspin left out the reply emails from the Jerk dad. And yes I can call him that I know him, he is a jerk. Was Cabel a jerk yes but you can tell from the posted emails the dads emails where omitted to protect his side.

The point is...CM's behavior remains the same. He's a premium A$$!

4+ years later, this Deadspin article is a bit of a dead horse. Keep on kicking if it makes you happy but rehashing "Hey Ungrateful Quitter ..." every couple of days does not help persuade marginally interested readers like me. Big difference between a jerk and child molester. Truly do not understand how anyone would send their sons to the latter. I guess God may forgive his sins but something like that is hard to overlook in my eyes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4+ years later, this Deadspin article is a bit of a dead horse. Keep on kicking if it makes you happy but rehashing "Hey Ungrateful Quitter ..." every couple of days does not help persuade marginally interested readers like me. Big difference between a jerk and child molester. Truly do not understand how anyone would send their sons to the latter. I guess God may forgive his sins but something like that is hard to overlook in my eyes.

exactly why I gave a recent example of his ongoing deplorable behavior. And if you notice, I never brought up BW, Deadspin, or any other externality so don't bother trying to redirect the conversation. I'm just telling it as it actually happened last fall. He remains a premium A$$!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yelling on the sideline is one thing. Threatening a kid and his family is another. He is lucky that family didn't press charges against him. If you think it's ok to swallow your integrity and defend him, that's on you. Other people are going to call out this guy for the loser he is.

For the 10000000 time those emails in the Deadspin left out the reply emails from the Jerk dad. And yes I can call him that I know him, he is a jerk. Was Cabel a jerk yes but you can tell from the posted emails the dads emails where omitted to protect his side.

I've seen the emails. Nothing of consequence was omitted. But even if that was the case, how on Earth can you defend what that guy wrote? Especially when he's said/emailed the same thing to many different families who dared to leave for another club?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4+ years later, this Deadspin article is a bit of a dead horse. Keep on kicking if it makes you happy but rehashing "Hey Ungrateful Quitter ..." every couple of days does not help persuade marginally interested readers like me. Big difference between a jerk and child molester. Truly do not understand how anyone would send their sons to the latter. I guess God may forgive his sins but something like that is hard to overlook in my eyes.

Horrible strawmen. Just because the other guy is a loser doesn't negate what a loser the Madlax guy is. If giving your money to that guy and having your son associated with him doesn't bother you, that says a lot about you and your family's lack of morals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4+ years later, this Deadspin article is a bit of a dead horse. Keep on kicking if it makes you happy but rehashing "Hey Ungrateful Quitter ..." every couple of days does not help persuade marginally interested readers like me. Big difference between a jerk and child molester. Truly do not understand how anyone would send their sons to the latter. I guess God may forgive his sins but something like that is hard to overlook in my eyes.

Horrible strawmen. Just because the other guy is a loser doesn't negate what a loser the Madlax guy is. If giving your money to that guy and having your son associated with him doesn't bother you, that says a lot about you and your family's lack of morals.

Ok sir please give us a list of DMV clubs that are clean of all sins. Please start with VLC so I can point out they are owned by the Crabs and you can find stories for days about that guy. So I will be waiting for this list of choir boy owners please rank them from Pope to Devil?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4+ years later, this Deadspin article is a bit of a dead horse. Keep on kicking if it makes you happy but rehashing "Hey Ungrateful Quitter ..." every couple of days does not help persuade marginally interested readers like me. Big difference between a jerk and child molester. Truly do not understand how anyone would send their sons to the latter. I guess God may forgive his sins but something like that is hard to overlook in my eyes.

Horrible strawmen. Just because the other guy is a loser doesn't negate what a loser the Madlax guy is. If giving your money to that guy and having your son associated with him doesn't bother you, that says a lot about you and your family's lack of morals.

Ok sir please give us a list of DMV clubs that are clean of all sins. Please start with VLC so I can point out they are owned by the Crabs and you can find stories for days about that guy. So I will be waiting for this list of choir boy owners please rank them from Pope to Devil?

Evergreen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4+ years later, this Deadspin article is a bit of a dead horse. Keep on kicking if it makes you happy but rehashing "Hey Ungrateful Quitter ..." every couple of days does not help persuade marginally interested readers like me. Big difference between a jerk and child molester. Truly do not understand how anyone would send their sons to the latter. I guess God may forgive his sins but something like that is hard to overlook in my eyes.

Horrible strawmen. Just because the other guy is a loser doesn't negate what a loser the Madlax guy is. If giving your money to that guy and having your son associated with him doesn't bother you, that says a lot about you and your family's lack of morals.

Ok sir please give us a list of DMV clubs that are clean of all sins. Please start with VLC so I can point out they are owned by the Crabs and you can find stories for days about that guy. So I will be waiting for this list of choir boy owners please rank them from Pope to Devil?

Evergreen

So you want me to have my son play for a club with ZERO college commits and Zero track record of real success. Also you may be clean at this time but I see all of your coaches are getting High School HC jobs. Wait tell all the drama and side talk about what kids from what high school get special treatment. And I see a lot of money being spent at that Evergreen complex and we all know Money is the route of all evil.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4+ years later, this Deadspin article is a bit of a dead horse. Keep on kicking if it makes you happy but rehashing "Hey Ungrateful Quitter ..." every couple of days does not help persuade marginally interested readers like me. Big difference between a jerk and child molester. Truly do not understand how anyone would send their sons to the latter. I guess God may forgive his sins but something like that is hard to overlook in my eyes.

Horrible strawmen. Just because the other guy is a loser doesn't negate what a loser the Madlax guy is. If giving your money to that guy and having your son associated with him doesn't bother you, that says a lot about you and your family's lack of morals.

Ok sir please give us a list of DMV clubs that are clean of all sins. Please start with VLC so I can point out they are owned by the Crabs and you can find stories for days about that guy. So I will be waiting for this list of choir boy owners please rank them from Pope to Devil?

The Crabs owner is vilified because he yells and people cite him as Enemy #1 for reclassing. But even if that's true, VLC is run autonomously of the Crabs. My son is about to graduate from college. We never played for VLC but not several whose sons did, and they all say great things about that club and the people who run it. The guys who actually run VLC have a spotless reputation for running a good club and being good guys, especially compared to Madlax and BW.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4+ years later, this Deadspin article is a bit of a dead horse. Keep on kicking if it makes you happy but rehashing "Hey Ungrateful Quitter ..." every couple of days does not help persuade marginally interested readers like me. Big difference between a jerk and child molester. Truly do not understand how anyone would send their sons to the latter. I guess God may forgive his sins but something like that is hard to overlook in my eyes.

Horrible strawmen. Just because the other guy is a loser doesn't negate what a loser the Madlax guy is. If giving your money to that guy and having your son associated with him doesn't bother you, that says a lot about you and your family's lack of morals.

Ok sir please give us a list of DMV clubs that are clean of all sins. Please start with VLC so I can point out they are owned by the Crabs and you can find stories for days about that guy. So I will be waiting for this list of choir boy owners please rank them from Pope to Devil?

The Crabs owner is vilified because he yells and people cite him as Enemy #1 for reclassing. But even if that's true, VLC is run autonomously of the Crabs. My son is about to graduate from college. We never played for VLC but not several whose sons did, and they all say great things about that club and the people who run it. The guys who actually run VLC have a spotless reputation for running a good club and being good guys, especially compared to Madlax and BW.

Ok this is a good answer and I can not argue with it one bit. So lets give VLC the top spot. So if they get the best 20 players per class where are the next 20 going to play? I think my point is if your son gets to start at Madlax Cap and will sit at VLC or be 7th middie at VLC. As a parent we will take the risk of a mean email to give our sons the best option we can for lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4+ years later, this Deadspin article is a bit of a dead horse. Keep on kicking if it makes you happy but rehashing "Hey Ungrateful Quitter ..." every couple of days does not help persuade marginally interested readers like me. Big difference between a jerk and child molester. Truly do not understand how anyone would send their sons to the latter. I guess God may forgive his sins but something like that is hard to overlook in my eyes.

Horrible strawmen. Just because the other guy is a loser doesn't negate what a loser the Madlax guy is. If giving your money to that guy and having your son associated with him doesn't bother you, that says a lot about you and your family's lack of morals.

Ok sir please give us a list of DMV clubs that are clean of all sins. Please start with VLC so I can point out they are owned by the Crabs and you can find stories for days about that guy. So I will be waiting for this list of choir boy owners please rank them from Pope to Devil?

The Crabs owner is vilified because he yells and people cite him as Enemy #1 for reclassing. But even if that's true, VLC is run autonomously of the Crabs. My son is about to graduate from college. We never played for VLC but not several whose sons did, and they all say great things about that club and the people who run it. The guys who actually run VLC have a spotless reputation for running a good club and being good guys, especially compared to Madlax and BW.

Ok this is a good answer and I can not argue with it one bit. So lets give VLC the top spot. So if they get the best 20 players per class where are the next 20 going to play? I think my point is if your son gets to start at Madlax Cap and will sit at VLC or be 7th middie at VLC. As a parent we will take the risk of a mean email to give our sons the best option we can for lacrosse.

Translation: I will set aside our family's morals if I think my son will do well with Madlax. As long as it's not my family being threatened, I have no problem whenever the owner treats his other clients poorly. As long as it's not us, I will gladly give him my money and have my son be taught by him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4+ years later, this Deadspin article is a bit of a dead horse. Keep on kicking if it makes you happy but rehashing "Hey Ungrateful Quitter ..." every couple of days does not help persuade marginally interested readers like me. Big difference between a jerk and child molester. Truly do not understand how anyone would send their sons to the latter. I guess God may forgive his sins but something like that is hard to overlook in my eyes.

Horrible strawmen. Just because the other guy is a loser doesn't negate what a loser the Madlax guy is. If giving your money to that guy and having your son associated with him doesn't bother you, that says a lot about you and your family's lack of morals.

Ok sir please give us a list of DMV clubs that are clean of all sins. Please start with VLC so I can point out they are owned by the Crabs and you can find stories for days about that guy. So I will be waiting for this list of choir boy owners please rank them from Pope to Devil?

The Crabs owner is vilified because he yells and people cite him as Enemy #1 for reclassing. But even if that's true, VLC is run autonomously of the Crabs. My son is about to graduate from college. We never played for VLC but not several whose sons did, and they all say great things about that club and the people who run it. The guys who actually run VLC have a spotless reputation for running a good club and being good guys, especially compared to Madlax and BW.

Ok this is a good answer and I can not argue with it one bit. So lets give VLC the top spot. So if they get the best 20 players per class where are the next 20 going to play? I think my point is if your son gets to start at Madlax Cap and will sit at VLC or be 7th middie at VLC. As a parent we will take the risk of a mean email to give our sons the best option we can for lacrosse.

Translation: I will set aside our family's morals if I think my son will do well with Madlax. As long as it's not my family being threatened, I have no problem whenever the owner treats his other clients poorly. As long as it's not us, I will gladly give him my money and have my son be taught by him.

Yes you are correct because the treats you speak of are old news one and they are not as big a deal as you really want them to be. And all the other guys who work for him are great guys and have been great guys over the years. He is around but 90% of all the interaction with a coach is done by the others on the staff. And he might be crazy but he has proven to know what he is talking about and he has proven to be able to find and help place kids into colleges and private schools. Ask all the players who have played for guys like Bobby Knight over the years the good out weights the bad. Are Madlax parents happy when he acts like a [lacrosse] no but he is not really harming anyone in real life. A mean email is not a death sentence.

cb is a d I c k

So we are to believe that CM's email error in judgement was a one time thing and he "learned" from his mistakes? Hmmm...I have some land in Alaska that will become a tropical paradise next week....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Translation: I will set aside our family's morals if I think my son will do well with Madlax. As long as it's not my family being threatened, I have no problem whenever the owner treats his other clients poorly. As long as it's not us, I will gladly give him my money and have my son be taught by him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes you are correct because the treats you speak of are old news one and they are not as big a deal as you really want them to be. And all the other guys who work for him are great guys and have been great guys over the years. He is around but 90% of all the interaction with a coach is done by the others on the staff. And he might be crazy but he has proven to know what he is talking about and he has proven to be able to find and help place kids into colleges and private schools. Ask all the players who have played for guys like Bobby Knight over the years the good out weights the bad. Are Madlax parents happy when he acts like a [lacrosse] no but he is not really harming anyone in real life. A mean email is not a death sentence.

Classic Stockholm Syndrome.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Translation: I will set aside our family's morals if I think my son will do well with Madlax. As long as it's not my family being threatened, I have no problem whenever the owner treats his other clients poorly. As long as it's not us, I will gladly give him my money and have my son be taught by him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes you are correct because the treats you speak of are old news one and they are not as big a deal as you really want them to be. And all the other guys who work for him are great guys and have been great guys over the years. He is around but 90% of all the interaction with a coach is done by the others on the staff. And he might be crazy but he has proven to know what he is talking about and he has proven to be able to find and help place kids into colleges and private schools. Ask all the players who have played for guys like Bobby Knight over the years the good out weights the bad. Are Madlax parents happy when he acts like a [lacrosse] no but he is not really harming anyone in real life. A mean email is not a death sentence.

Classic Stockholm Syndrome.

This thread is so lame. Are you really trying to establish some sort of moral righteousness by playing for certain clubs versus others?

Get a grip, it's a youth club sport. Stop trying to create an argument where playing for a certain club makes you a terrible person. If that was the case, every parent who ever allowed a child to play Division 1 sports would be an awful human since all programs have had their issues. It's all about improving as a player, it's about the opportunity, and it's about the fun.

Please get off your moral high horse with respect to club lacrosse. Most likely you have an agenda because either you or your child weren't good enough. Let it go.

So it's ok to play for a maniac who threatens kids and families as long as it's not you. And if one brings that up, it must be because a kid got cut. Do you hear yourself? I guess you either have no morals or no problem telling your son that your family's morals are swallowed every time he puts on the uniform.

This is not a new development. Every time you take the field, all the other people know that you are playing for the Ungrateful Quitter guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it's ok to play for a maniac who threatens kids and families as long as it's not you. And if one brings that up, it must be because a kid got cut. Do you hear yourself? I guess you either have no morals or no problem telling your son that your family's morals are swallowed every time he puts on the uniform.

This is not a new development. Every time you take the field, all the other people know that you are playing for the Ungrateful Quitter guy.

Your argument is incredibly weak. Do you hear yourself? Again, it's about getting better and preparing yourself to play at a high level in HS. You keep standing on your moral high horse that's most likely some uncompetitive and poorly coached club. Nobody cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it's ok to play for a maniac who threatens kids and families as long as it's not you. And if one brings that up, it must be because a kid got cut. Do you hear yourself? I guess you either have no morals or no problem telling your son that your family's morals are swallowed every time he puts on the uniform.

This is not a new development. Every time you take the field, all the other people know that you are playing for the Ungrateful Quitter guy.

Your argument is incredibly weak. Do you hear yourself? Again, it's about getting better and preparing yourself to play at a high level in HS. You keep standing on your moral high horse that's most likely some uncompetitive and poorly coached club. Nobody cares.

Dude, you are weak. If you think it's fine to lower your family's morals to play for that guy, more power to you. There are several clubs that your son could play for equal or better to Madlax, but if you tell your son it's fine to associate with that filth, it's all on you.

You've established you think it's fine if he threatens people as long as it's not you. Why do you think so many kids leave once they hit HS? Because they get tired of that crap and realize there are equal or better options.

Who cares! Each kid/family is entitled to play for which ever club they choose. No elite program is perfect. You can find dirt on pretty much each of the programs. Arguing that you're paying money to an A$$ is not going to do anything - just because you don't fatten his wallet - there will always be someone that does. Hopefully your kid is playing on the right team that suits him. Let's get back to arguing about the best team at any age group... NOT which stupid coach/director/owner program that we subject our kids to.

M. A. D. L. A X

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it's ok to play for a maniac who threatens kids and families as long as it's not you. And if one brings that up, it must be because a kid got cut. Do you hear yourself? I guess you either have no morals or no problem telling your son that your family's morals are swallowed every time he puts on the uniform.

This is not a new development. Every time you take the field, all the other people know that you are playing for the Ungrateful Quitter guy.

Your argument is incredibly weak. Do you hear yourself? Again, it's about getting better and preparing yourself to play at a high level in HS. You keep standing on your moral high horse that's most likely some uncompetitive and poorly coached club. Nobody cares.

Dude, you are weak. If you think it's fine to lower your family's morals to play for that guy, more power to you. There are several clubs that your son could play for equal or better to Madlax, but if you tell your son it's fine to associate with that filth, it's all on you.

You've established you think it's fine if he threatens people as long as it's not you. Why do you think so many kids leave once they hit HS? Because they get tired of that crap and realize there are equal or better options.

We all associate with filth on a daily basis. It is part of learning to live in this world. This man's child will have to work with and for difficult people his whole life. Playing for such a coach might actually cause him to grow by leaps and bounds. Besides, he pays the guy to coach lacrosse, not parent his son.

We all deal with filth every day, but only an idiot dad would CHOOSE to pay filth and have his son taught by filth.

The lessons learned by lacrosse and most sports are both on and off the field. You may not care if your son is taught by a great role domel, but lost people do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We all deal with filth every day, but only an idiot dad would CHOOSE to pay filth and have his son taught by filth.

The lessons learned by lacrosse and most sports are both on and off the field. You may not care if your son is taught by a great role domel, but lost people do.

Write much?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We all deal with filth every day, but only an idiot dad would CHOOSE to pay filth and have his son taught by filth.

The lessons learned by lacrosse and most sports are both on and off the field. You may not care if your son is taught by a great role domel, but lost people do.

Write much?

Ever hear of a phone autocorrecting? I guess that's what you have to say instead of admitting how embarrassing it is to play for that guy.

M A D L A X

The amount the Madlax owner is over hype as a bad guy has really jumped the shark. Please moved on to how many holdbacks and how much Madlax cost. These two subjects could make everyone's life better. He is a different kind of guy, a little blunt and to much to the point when he talks and writes. But very harmless. He has run a high level club for 20 years move on people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount the Madlax owner is over hype as a bad guy has really jumped the shark. Please moved on to how many holdbacks and how much Madlax cost. These two subjects could make everyone's life better. He is a different kind of guy, a little blunt and to much to the point when he talks and writes. But very harmless. He has run a high level club for 20 years move on people.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I still love him but it seems like you have been blowing me off

- bizarre stalking

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He will need my recommendation with college coaches who I will speak to on his behalf soon

- threat

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this a joke? This will be a decision that Ryan regrets for a long time.

- threat

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I will speak to coach Bordley and colleges coaches immediately and make sure they know they are getting a quitter who is ungrateful and soft who can't take criticism.

- threat

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am hurt and angry. You have no clue how this lacrosse world works. Wow. You have really screwed him. And by the way it is a big deal and I will let every one of his teammates know. His teammates will hate him for years for quitting and playing for a rival club. Trust me on that.

- Narcissistic drivel and threat

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I dont need Ryan or your craziness.

- Pot meet kettle

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are a team parent cancer and every team has one. All the Landon parents already hate you because they tell me and I have been sticking up for you because you were 'madlax for life'. Screw you for taking advantave of me. I am sorry I got Ryan invited to 3d/ nike blue chip and introduced you to landon because he is obvuously unappreciative. If he was appreciative he would stick with madlax but I know his crazy and controlling dad would not let him.

- Yes, everyone else is crazy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey ungrateful quitter.... Your former teammates and coaches, who hate you now, can't wait to get a piece of you Saturday when we play vlc.
Who quits for getting yelled at and uses people who have helped them for years? Oh yeah...only babies who are coddled (and done a long-term disservice) by their crazy father.
See you there!!!

- the triple exclamation points drives home his lunacy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount the Madlax owner is over hype as a bad guy has really jumped the shark. Please moved on to how many holdbacks and how much Madlax cost. These two subjects could make everyone's life better. He is a different kind of guy, a little blunt and to much to the point when he talks and writes. But very harmless. He has run a high level club for 20 years move on people.

Given his concern about "lost people" and "role domels", the morality police officer who posted several posts above, will never move on and will not let anyone else move on either.

Standby........I am sure he will be unable to resist responding (again and again).

Somebody needs to report this Madlax hater to the FBI before he takes a trip to Vegas. Anybody that has the time and energy to break down a 5 year old email needs medication and help, and probably law enforcement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We all deal with filth every day, but only an idiot dad would CHOOSE to pay filth and have his son taught by filth.

The lessons learned by lacrosse and most sports are both on and off the field. You may not care if your son is taught by a great role domel, but lost people do.

Your argument is laughable. Please enlighten us on which clubs and coaches are saving the world and morally acceptable in your eyes? My guess is that they are also barely competitive in terms of talent and skill.

BTW, my son's coach on that "despicable club" is a great role model for the boys, well educated, and he understands and teaches the game.

I apologize if your son or you were cut by that club at some point or if you're just jealous of their success. It's obvious you have agenda.

let me guess you are a madlax parent or owner

Originally Posted by Anonymous

let me guess you are a madlax parent or owner

Let me guess, you have an agenda.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount the Madlax owner is over hype as a bad guy has really jumped the shark. Please moved on to how many holdbacks and how much Madlax cost. These two subjects could make everyone's life better. He is a different kind of guy, a little blunt and to much to the point when he talks and writes. But very harmless. He has run a high level club for 20 years move on people.

Given his concern about "lost people" and "role domels", the morality police officer who posted several posts above, will never move on and will not let anyone else move on either.

Standby........I am sure he will be unable to resist responding (again and again).

Ok, we've established that you have no backbone and no ability to teach your son any morals. Congrats.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We all deal with filth every day, but only an idiot dad would CHOOSE to pay filth and have his son taught by filth.

The lessons learned by lacrosse and most sports are both on and off the field. You may not care if your son is taught by a great role domel, but lost people do.

Your argument is laughable. Please enlighten us on which clubs and coaches are saving the world and morally acceptable in your eyes? My guess is that they are also barely competitive in terms of talent and skill.

BTW, my son's coach on that "despicable club" is a great role model for the boys, well educated, and he understands and teaches the game.

I apologize if your son or you were cut by that club at some point or if you're just jealous of their success. It's obvious you have agenda.

1. Any club that doesn't threaten its own clients is better than Madlax

2. I'm sure there were many prison guards for the Nazis who were great guys

3. The "you must have been cut" schtick is old. We, like a lot of Montgomery County families, would never have let our son play for that lunatic. Glad to see that NL, DCE, BW, Crabs, FCA, et al have frozen Madlax out of Maryland.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Ok, we've established that you have no backbone and no ability to teach your son any morals. Congrats.

"We" have not established anything.

You have established that you have nothing better to do than anonymously trash anyone who dares to disagree with you over something as inconsequential as youth lacrosse. Worse, your anonymous trashing relies on attacking people and their morals (which you presume to know all about and in fact know nothing at all), and then accusing these same people as being akin to Nazi prison guards. Really.........................?

Please. Stop. Do you not realize that you are embarrassing yourself?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We all deal with filth every day, but only an nieve dad would CHOOSE to pay filth and have his son taught by filth.

The lessons learned by lacrosse and most sports are both on and off the field. You may not care if your son is taught by a great role domel, but lost people do.

Your argument is laughable. Please enlighten us on which clubs and coaches are saving the world and morally acceptable in your eyes? My guess is that they are also barely competitive in terms of talent and skill.

BTW, my son's coach on that "despicable club" is a great role model for the boys, well educated, and he understands and teaches the game.

I apologize if your son or you were cut by that club at some point or if you're just jealous of their success. It's obvious you have agenda.

1. Any club that doesn't threaten its own clients is better than Madlax

2. I'm sure there were many prison guards for in the holocaust who were great guys

3. The "you must have been cut" schtick is old. We, like a lot of Montgomery County families, would never have let our son play for that lunatic. Glad to see that NL, DCE, BW, Crabs, FCA, et al have frozen Madlax out of Maryland.

You really just compared a lacrosse club to Holocaust prison guards? So much drama from you and your agenda. Your soapbox shtick is even more tiring snowflake.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We all deal with filth every day, but only an [ChillLaxin] dad would CHOOSE to pay filth and have his son taught by filth.

The lessons learned by lacrosse and most sports are both on and off the field. You may not care if your son is taught by a great role domel, but lost people do.

Your argument is laughable. Please enlighten us on which clubs and coaches are saving the world and morally acceptable in your eyes? My guess is that they are also barely competitive in terms of talent and skill.

BTW, my son's coach on that "despicable club" is a great role model for the boys, well educated, and he understands and teaches the game.

I apologize if your son or you were cut by that club at some point or if you're just jealous of their success. It's obvious you have agenda.

1. Any club that doesn't threaten its own clients is better than Madlax

2. I'm sure there were many prison guards in the holocaust who were great guys

3. The "you must have been cut" schtick is old. We, like a lot of Montgomery County families, would never have let our son play for that lunatic. Glad to see that NL, DCE, BW, Crabs, FCA, et al have frozen Madlax out of Maryland.

You really just compared a lacrosse club to the holocaust guards? So much drama from you and your agenda. Your soapbox shtick is even more tiring snowflake.

If you can't comprehend the use of a over the top analogy to highlight your ridiculous statement, I can't help you. Every time Madlax is out there, the other team is thinking "Hey, Ungrateful Quitter". Sad that you are telling your son that morals don't matter as long as you think that's a good team, but that's on you, dad.

When your son reaches HS and you see all the defections of the best players, you'll realize how stupid you were all along.

T. A. Z.

T. A. Z

T. A. Z

Originally Posted by Anonymous

T. A. Z.

Didn't they just lose to someone's B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We all deal with filth every day, but only an * dad would CHOOSE to pay filth and have his son taught by filth.

The lessons learned by lacrosse and most sports are both on and off the field. You may not care if your son is taught by a great role domel, but lost people do.

Your argument is laughable. Please enlighten us on which clubs and coaches are saving the world and morally acceptable in your eyes? My guess is that they are also barely competitive in terms of talent and skill.

BTW, my son's coach on that "despicable club" is a great role model for the boys, well educated, and he understands and teaches the game.

I apologize if your son or you were cut by that club at some point or if you're just jealous of their success. It's obvious you have agenda.

1. Any club that doesn't threaten its own clients is better than Madlax

2. I'm sure there were many prison guards in the holocaust who were great guys

3. The "you must have been cut" schtick is old. We, like a lot of Montgomery County families, would never have let our son play for that lunatic. Glad to see that NL, DCE, BW, Crabs, FCA, et al have frozen Madlax out of Maryland.

You really just compared a lacrosse club holocaust guards? So much drama from you and your agenda. Your soapbox shtick is even more tiring snowflake.

If you can't comprehend the use of a over the top analogy to highlight your ridiculous statement, I can't help you. Every time Madlax is out there, the other team is thinking "Hey, Ungrateful Quitter". Sad that you are telling your son that morals don't matter as long as you think that's a good team, but that's on you, dad.

When your son reaches HS and you see all the defections of the best players, you'll realize how stupid you were all along.

AH tell me how you think the best players are leaving Madlax at high school. They had the #1 ranked player for the 2018 and 2019 classes in the country? This is just not true once again. They had players who left that went on to get D1 spots but they left when another future D1 kid beat them out for playing time at some point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We all deal with filth every day, but only an [ChillLaxin] dad would CHOOSE to pay filth and have his son taught by filth.

The lessons learned by lacrosse and most sports are both on and off the field. You may not care if your son is taught by a great role domel, but lost people do.

Your argument is laughable. Please enlighten us on which clubs and coaches are saving the world and morally acceptable in your eyes? My guess is that they are also barely competitive in terms of talent and skill.

BTW, my son's coach on that "despicable club" is a great role model for the boys, well educated, and he understands and teaches the game.

I apologize if your son or you were cut by that club at some point or if you're just jealous of their success. It's obvious you have agenda.

1. Any club that doesn't threaten its own clients is better than Madlax

2. I'm sure there were many prison guards in the Holocaust who were great guys

3. The "you must have been cut" schtick is old. We, like a lot of Montgomery County families, would never have let our son play for that lunatic. Glad to see that NL, DCE, BW, Crabs, FCA, et al have frozen Madlax out of Maryland.

You really just compared a lacrosse club to Holocaust guards? So much drama from you and your agenda. Your soapbox shtick is even more tiring snowflake.

If you can't comprehend the use of a over the top analogy to highlight your ridiculous statement, I can't help you. Every time Madlax is out there, the other team is thinking "Hey, Ungrateful Quitter". Sad that you are telling your son that morals don't matter as long as you think that's a good team, but that's on you, dad.

When your son reaches HS and you see all the defections of the best players, you'll realize how stupid you were all along.

AH tell me how you think the best players are leaving Madlax at high school. They had the #1 ranked player for the 2018 and 2019 classes in the country? This is just not true once again. They had players who left that went on to get D1 spots but they left when another future D1 kid beat them out for playing time at some point.

Terrible argument. Just because Madlax has several excellent players including those two doesn't make the statement incorrect. You must be another Madlax dad psyched to play in 6 tournaments in the summer or get 10% of Mystery Madlax socks.

Madlax does lose a lot of kids in HS for the reasons that were spelled out. You'll see eventually and realize the reasons why are true.

I just got an email from a new lacrosse site , did anyone else get that email? it is run by Larry who used to be the administrator of this site. its copying BOTC and its content, what a joke

WP RULES!

MADLAX DROOLS!

5 WP
2 ML

Nothing you can do about it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WP RULES!

MADLAX DROOLS!

5 WP
2 ML

Nothing you can do about it!

Enjoy while you can, because their record will never be this close again! HA!!!!

No LI tourney's this fall, aye boys?? Hiding down there in the deep south where you think we won't find you??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

T. A. Z.

Didn't they just lose to someone's B team.

W’re coming for you Mad-daddy’s! You can’t hide in those cotton fields forever! Your smell gives you away every time! Our LI boys need to beat up on some good ole boys! Thinking ya’ll Fit the bill right nice! Get ready for your next woop’n boys! We’re coming fer ya!

Still stunned that Evergreen beat Madlax by 2 goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still stunned that Evergreen beat Madlax by 2 goals.

Was there some fund raiser competition where every dollar raised was a goal?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still stunned that Evergreen beat Madlax by 2 goals.

The person who runs this site will remove curse words and other bad things. But when you know a Troll is Trolling and posting lies even about a score you should remove it. It makes the site hard to read and this cost you money so fix it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still stunned that Evergreen beat Madlax by 2 goals.

The person who runs this site will remove curse words and other bad things. But when you know a Troll is Trolling and posting lies even about a score you should remove it. It makes the site hard to read and this cost you money so fix it.

Yeah. Good luck with that! They do that and there is no website.

* * * IMPORTANT NEWS FLASH * * *

LONG ISLAND CONTINUES TO DOMINATE YOUTH LACROSSE AT EVERY LEVEL, BUT NONE MORE THAN 2024!

ISN'T THAT RIGHT, MAD-DADDIES?!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

* * * IMPORTANT NEWS FLASH * * *

LONG ISLAND CONTINUES TO DOMINATE YOUTH LACROSSE AT EVERY LEVEL, BUT NONE MORE THAN 2024!

ISN'T THAT RIGHT, MAD-DADDIES?!!

Yeah Brother!! We do it for Dale!!

LOL. After years of ripping of kids who attended their fall "recruiting" event and making some of them play on Sunday against real legitimate teams, Madlax came up with a new scheme. Now there is a separate division with two crappy HS teams and no playoffs. This ensures they will play games that absolutely nobody will watch.

LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. After years of ripping of kids who attended their fall "recruiting" event and making some of them play on Sunday against real legitimate teams, Madlax came up with a new scheme. Now there is a separate division with two crappy HS teams and no playoffs. This ensures they will play games that absolutely nobody will watch.

LOL.

I actually look forward to the madlax landon tournament every year.

It's fine for the real HS teams but a total ripoff for the showcase kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. After years of ripping of kids who attended their fall "recruiting" event and making some of them play on Sunday against real legitimate teams, Madlax came up with a new scheme. Now there is a separate division with two crappy HS teams and no playoffs. This ensures they will play games that absolutely nobody will watch.

LOL.

I was at this event and if you want to count the 4 coaches that coached the showcase teams and the Rutgers coach who coached the Madlax National #2 team that is 5 coaches that watched all 100% of at least 3 games. Then I would guess at least 6 more who came and watched at least one or 2 games on this showcase field. So with my count 11 to 14 coaches watch these kids on this field play lacrosse. You can judge if this is worth it or not. But these are the numbers for this field on Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. After years of ripping of kids who attended their fall "recruiting" event and making some of them play on Sunday against real legitimate teams, Madlax came up with a new scheme. Now there is a separate division with two crappy HS teams and no playoffs. This ensures they will play games that absolutely nobody will watch.

LOL.

I was at this event and if you want to count the 4 coaches that coached the showcase teams and the Rutgers coach who coached the Madlax National #2 team that is 5 coaches that watched all 100% of at least 3 games. Then I would guess at least 6 more who came and watched at least one or 2 games on this showcase field. So with my count 11 to 14 coaches watch these kids on this field play lacrosse. You can judge if this is worth it or not. But these are the numbers for this field on Sunday.

Total. Lie.

I watched 2 games and left. There were many spectators so it's anybody's guess who all was there, but I did see coaching staff from High Point University and I passed Mark Vanarsdale (UVA, now Loyola) in the parking lot getting out of his car.

There were like 3-5 coaches there. Total joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. After years of ripping of kids who attended their fall "recruiting" event and making some of them play on Sunday against real legitimate teams, Madlax came up with a new scheme. Now there is a separate division with two crappy HS teams and no playoffs. This ensures they will play games that absolutely nobody will watch.

LOL.

I was at this event and if you want to count the 4 coaches that coached the showcase teams and the Rutgers coach who coached the Madlax National #2 team that is 5 coaches that watched all 100% of at least 3 games. Then I would guess at least 6 more who came and watched at least one or 2 games on this showcase field. So with my count 11 to 14 coaches watch these kids on this field play lacrosse. You can judge if this is worth it or not. But these are the numbers for this field on Sunday.

Total. Lie.

No sir this was not a lie. I can count, This field had 11 coaches watch at least one half on this field. They have a list of the schools that signed in for this tournament. Did you write any schools and tell them your son was playing in this showcase or tournament? Did they watch your sons video? The coach I told came and watched my son and was very happy with what he saw. Coaches go to the fields with kids they already know and want to see play. Very few kids ever get seen at any style of showcase without the coach knowing your sons name before the first faceoff. If your son is good enough the coach would of left the IMG game for 10 min. to see your boy play.

No, we were at Philly and NLF being seen by 30-40 coaches, some of whom we've been in contact with. LOL at this POS tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, we were at Philly and NLF being seen by 30-40 coaches, some of whom we've been in contact with. LOL at this POS tournament.

Ok you are correct these places you listed are better then the Madlax tournament with coaches numbers. You have to settle and go to the second best or even third best some times to be seen. Or you can stay home and do nothing because that works out real well for people???

Why spend the same kind of money to go to an event that you are seen by 3 coaches? Total scam.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why spend the same kind of money to go to an event that you are seen by 3 coaches? Total scam.

Like I said its great to be at the event with 50 coaches but those events only have so many spots do you think the people at the ones with 20 or so coaches do not want to be at the ones with 50 or more? The answer is yes they would like to be there. But it only takes one coach to like you. You only get 4 years to play. Also we all pay $85 to $150 for a prospect day for one coach/team to look at your sons are these all a total scam also. And if your son is a D2 or D3 player why would being seen by 50 D1 coaches help him? They would all look at him and say he is a good player but not D1 size or speed. I can apply for a job as the CEO of Microsoft but why would I. My point being these lesser showcases and tournaments have use for the other players not fighting to play a Maryland.

I agree. Big fish, small sea.

Small fish, small sea. You guys are keeping Madlax alive.

Unsolicited advice on recruiting in D2 and D3. My oldest is currently playing at a top ranked D3 school. It is really simple. Find a school that you would like to attend, have a realistic shot at playing lacrosse at, have the grades, and has be sure they offer a major that will assist with life after lacrosse. One this is complete, have your son email the coach. Coach _____ I am very interested in attending your school and would love to play lacrosse in college. I play for _______ and here is the summer tournament schedule. Are you also attending any showcases this summer/fall if so which ones? If the answer is a Madlax event, be sure you are there with bells on. If not, go to another event. Do not think that you can just show up to an event and be discovered. It just does not work that way this is not fishing.

LOL at Madlax HS program.

12th grade team - 3rd out of 4 teams. 1-2

9th-11th grade team - 2nd out of 8 teams. 3-1

7th-8th grade team - 3rd out of 4th. 1-2

Overall: 5-5 against mediocre competition

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL at Madlax HS program.

12th grade team - 3rd out of 4 teams. 1-2

9th-11th grade team - 2nd out of 8 teams. 3-1

7th-8th grade team - 3rd out of 4th. 1-2

Overall: 5-5 against mediocre competition

Jealous!! Maybe your son will make them next year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL at Madlax HS program.

12th grade team - 3rd out of 4 teams. 1-2

9th-11th grade team - 2nd out of 8 teams. 3-1

7th-8th grade team - 3rd out of 4th. 1-2

Overall: 5-5 against mediocre competition

Jealous!! Maybe your son will make them next year

Not jealous. Who would want to play for that maniac.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL at Madlax HS program.

12th grade team - 3rd out of 4 teams. 1-2

9th-11th grade team - 2nd out of 8 teams. 3-1

7th-8th grade team - 3rd out of 4th. 1-2

Overall: 5-5 against mediocre competition

Jealous!! Maybe your son will make them next year

Not jealous. Who would want to play for that maniac.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Not very original. First it is box, second is Bullis just a mediocre team? DC Xpress? Finally the 7th and 8th grade teams are ONE of the top teams in Northern Virginia

Madlax 2023 is terrible. Got destroyed in HoCo last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2023 is terrible. Got destroyed in HoCo last year.

Which N.VA team beat them in HOCO? Re-read the comment.

Madlax is DONE...more clubs that offer the same thing for less money...Daddy ball is back there young coach's don't know how to deal with kids. I love there quarterly fee which is like buying air. And my kid made it and left...thank you Happy New Year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is DONE...more clubs that offer the same thing for less money...Daddy ball is back there young coach's don't know how to deal with kids. I love there quarterly fee which is like buying air. And my kid made it and left...thank you Happy New Year

If your son crushes the competition the same way you crush the legacy of your second grade grammar teacher he will be fine.

Madlax has a dad coaching his own son. Part of the reason kids have left that team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has a dad coaching his own son. Part of the reason kids have left that team.

I laugh at this because I used to bash teams for the Dad coaches and everyone bashed me saying as long as the Dad is a good coach its not a big deal. But now that Madlax has a Dad coaching a team everyone is going nuts about it. What year team is this dad coaching? Let me know if he is coaching a high school age team then we can get all worked up. But I am pretty sure he is coaching a youth/middle school age team. And with the new Sept 1st rule pushing back the college looks its not a big deal this dad is coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has a dad coaching his own son. Part of the reason kids have left that team.

I laugh at this because I used to bash teams for the Dad coaches and everyone bashed me saying as long as the Dad is a good coach its not a big deal. But now that Madlax has a Dad coaching a team everyone is going nuts about it. What year team is this dad coaching? Let me know if he is coaching a high school age team then we can get all worked up. But I am pretty sure he is coaching a youth/middle school age team. And with the new Sept 1st rule pushing back the college looks its not a big deal this dad is coaching.

Nothing like "daddy ball" on a 7th or 8th grade travel club team. Rec is understandable, not a high level travel squad.

The bigger issues are the outdated and over coached offensive schemes that MadLax runs. It's predominantly iso-based with the coach barking out every individual iso and movement as though he has a joystick. The reason one kid left is because the offense was so scripted and didn't allow kids to just play and attack the cage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has a dad coaching his own son. Part of the reason kids have left that team.

I laugh at this because I used to bash teams for the Dad coaches and everyone bashed me saying as long as the Dad is a good coach its not a big deal. But now that Madlax has a Dad coaching a team everyone is going nuts about it. What year team is this dad coaching? Let me know if he is coaching a high school age team then we can get all worked up. But I am pretty sure he is coaching a youth/middle school age team. And with the new Sept 1st rule pushing back the college looks its not a big deal this dad is coaching.

I laugh at you because nobody here is in favor of dads coaching, especially their own kids. Fine for rec, but not when you pay $3K at year for Madlax.

We played Madlax awhile back. Kid is now in college. Nobody cares if one team out of the dozens of teams madlax has is coached by a dad, and it's even less relevant if that dad is the owner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has a dad coaching his own son. Part of the reason kids have left that team.

I laugh at this because I used to bash teams for the Dad coaches and everyone bashed me saying as long as the Dad is a good coach its not a big deal. But now that Madlax has a Dad coaching a team everyone is going nuts about it. What year team is this dad coaching? Let me know if he is coaching a high school age team then we can get all worked up. But I am pretty sure he is coaching a youth/middle school age team. And with the new Sept 1st rule pushing back the college looks its not a big deal this dad is coaching.

Nothing like "daddy ball" on a 7th or 8th grade travel club team. Rec is understandable, not a high level travel squad.

The bigger issues are the outdated and over coached offensive schemes that MadLax runs. It's predominantly iso-based with the coach barking out every individual iso and movement as though he has a joystick. The reason one kid left is because the offense was so scripted and didn't allow kids to just play and attack the cage.

Haha. Right. Lots of teams start out with an iso to try to draw a slide, then it's ball movement. I wouldn't say that is an outdated schema. You are misinformed, Dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We played Madlax awhile back. Kid is now in college. Nobody cares if one team out of the dozens of teams madlax has is coached by a dad, and it's even less relevant if that dad is the owner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has a dad coaching his own son. Part of the reason kids have left that team.

I laugh at this because I used to bash teams for the Dad coaches and everyone bashed me saying as long as the Dad is a good coach its not a big deal. But now that Madlax has a Dad coaching a team everyone is going nuts about it. What year team is this dad coaching? Let me know if he is coaching a high school age team then we can get all worked up. But I am pretty sure he is coaching a youth/middle school age team. And with the new Sept 1st rule pushing back the college looks its not a big deal this dad is coaching.

Nothing like "daddy ball" on a 7th or 8th grade travel club team. Rec is understandable, not a high level travel squad.

The bigger issues are the outdated and over coached offensive schemes that MadLax runs. It's predominantly iso-based with the coach barking out every individual iso and movement as though he has a joystick. The reason one kid left is because the offense was so scripted and didn't allow kids to just play and attack the cage.

Haha. Right. Lots of teams start out with an iso to try to draw a slide, then it's ball movement. I wouldn't say that is an outdated schema. You are misinformed, Dad.

Also I have heard the logic behind this style of O they run allows for the kids to showcase themselves for the recruiters the best. The college coach wants to see your talent not a step by step football play that if practiced for hours can trick a D. This might win you a extra game or two but is this best for your sons skill development and college looks? Just compared it to Basketball. Do you want to see a kid dribble past a guy with a crossover then hit a cutter in full stride? Or do you want to see the team make 5 scripted picks and movements and have a guy come wide open? Yes this wins games but as a college coach watching can you tell what kid can play at the next level?

"This might win you a extra game or two but is this best for your sons skill development and college looks?"

If you are this naive about the sport of lacrosse I would suggest at games that you simply watch and cheer. I have heard from many college coaches that what they look for as much as anything is what a player does off ball. If a coach runs a good offense this will showcase that skill even more. I have watched Madlax games at different ages and they are trying to get players into college as that is good for business however a coach is a coach and they do run an offense and want to win. If they ran an obvious ISO just to focus on a player it would be easy to defend knowing they will not make the second and third pass. If a college coach watches a player manage to be "wide" open as the fifth look in a motion offense that will look very good to that coach. If a player on a ISO play runs right into a double or triple and loses the ball not so much. Trust that the coaches understand the finer points of the game more than you do and do not forget to pay your fee to Madlax on time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We played Madlax awhile back. Kid is now in college. Nobody cares if one team out of the dozens of teams madlax has is coached by a dad, and it's even less relevant if that dad is the owner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has a dad coaching his own son. Part of the reason kids have left that team.

I laugh at this because I used to bash teams for the Dad coaches and everyone bashed me saying as long as the Dad is a good coach its not a big deal. But now that Madlax has a Dad coaching a team everyone is going nuts about it. What year team is this dad coaching? Let me know if he is coaching a high school age team then we can get all worked up. But I am pretty sure he is coaching a youth/middle school age team. And with the new Sept 1st rule pushing back the college looks its not a big deal this dad is coaching.

Nothing like "daddy ball" on a 7th or 8th grade travel club team. Rec is understandable, not a high level travel squad.

The bigger issues are the outdated and over coached offensive schemes that MadLax runs. It's predominantly iso-based with the coach barking out every individual iso and movement as though he has a joystick. The reason one kid left is because the offense was so scripted and didn't allow kids to just play and attack the cage.

Haha. Right. Lots of teams start out with an iso to try to draw a slide, then it's ball movement. I wouldn't say that is an outdated schema. You are misinformed, Dad.

I agree that an ISO initiates the offense, however in outdated ISO-based offenses, there's very little ball movement and it promotes bad habits such as kids standing around and waiting for the coach to call every ISO/dodge.

In today's college and high school offensive schemes, the initial dodge is typically the "window dressing". The actual dodge that teams are looking for happens off ball, typically two passes after the initial dodge because defenses have become so good at sliding early and anticipating the initial dodge.

More importantly, when there's an initial dodge in high level offensive schemes, there are screens and picks being set on the backside working with the crease to get an open look.

Ball movement, off ball movement, and dodging immediately off ball movement is what teaches kids to play much faster with higher IQ versus standing around and waiting for coaches to bark out every individual iso.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"This might win you a extra game or two but is this best for your sons skill development and college looks?"

If you are this naive about the sport of lacrosse I would suggest at games that you simply watch and cheer. I have heard from many college coaches that what they look for as much as anything is what a player does off ball. If a coach runs a good offense this will showcase that skill even more. I have watched Madlax games at different ages and they are trying to get players into college as that is good for business however a coach is a coach and they do run an offense and want to win. If they ran an obvious ISO just to focus on a player it would be easy to defend knowing they will not make the second and third pass. If a college coach watches a player manage to be "wide" open as the fifth look in a motion offense that will look very good to that coach. If a player on a ISO play runs right into a double or triple and loses the ball not so much. Trust that the coaches understand the finer points of the game more than you do and do not forget to pay your fee to Madlax on time.

Did you see where my post you are quoting has a ??????? at the end? I was only starting the conversation to hear others make points on both sides. See this is how these kind of boards work best. Someone has to make points and someone has to come up with questions to give people a chance to make there points. But go ahead and think I know nothing about this game and how to play it.

Appreciate all the dad lacrosse lessons, but have you been to a high school recruiting tournament? They are a different beast - LOTs of selfishness and for good reason. Coaches reward kids that "go to the cage" and score - that's the reality. Just watch when a kid scores, every coach's head drops and they make a note. When a kid beats his man, and moves the ball, only to have it stick in the next kids stick, most coaches (not all) don't bat an eye. Furthermore, no chance any of these club teams are getting the ball to a "fifth look in a motion offense", get real, most high school and even some college teams would struggle being that disciplined. Your example is lame.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Appreciate all the dad lacrosse lessons, but have you been to a high school recruiting tournament? They are a different beast - LOTs of selfishness and for good reason. Coaches reward kids that "go to the cage" and score - that's the reality. Just watch when a kid scores, every coach's head drops and they make a note. When a kid beats his man, and moves the ball, only to have it stick in the next kids stick, most coaches (not all) don't bat an eye. Furthermore, no chance any of these club teams are getting the ball to a "fifth look in a motion offense", get real, most high school and even some college teams would struggle being that disciplined. Your example is lame.

They look for both . Please know what you are talking about before you lend advice. Coaches look at many aspects of a child’s game. Knowing when to go to the cage and when to pass, it’s called good decision making. Defense;, speed, over hustle are all parts as well .

Why do you think the top 2 kids left Madlax 2023? Because of the dad coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you think the top 2 kids left Madlax 2023? Because of the dad coach.

Where did the two top kids go play for? I bet that is the real reason they left.

Madlax is over rated, too expensive and Young Coaches come and go. There are better options in Va.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is over rated, too expensive and Young Coaches come and go. There are better options in Va.

For the 100000 time Madlax is only $1500 a year more then the cheapest program in the DMV and it is only $400 or so more then most of the better programs. Also they play more tournaments then most of the other programs. So more tournaments would equal more money correct. They do a monthly fee correct but the other teams just get that money as part of other charges. Someone from the Joke of a club EVERGREEN please post the total it cost for 12 months with this program and also say what tournaments you attended?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is over rated, too expensive and Young Coaches come and go. There are better options in Va.

For the 100000 time Madlax is only $1500 a year more then the cheapest program in the DMV and it is only $400 or so more then most of the better programs. Also they play more tournaments then most of the other programs. So more tournaments would equal more money correct. They do a monthly fee correct but the other teams just get that money as part of other charges. Someone from the Joke of a club EVERGREEN please post the total it cost for 12 months with this program and also say what tournaments you attended?

Actually it's a quarterly fee of $225 for the "MadLax Academy" which is ridiculous. The only thing you receive as part of the academy fee are weekly Winter workouts that include approx (4) one hour sessions, everything else has a fee associated with it including Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter Box registrations in addition to all of the clinics and camps they offer. The price has increased substantially over the past 2 years specifically for the Spring and Summer registration.

The value is that your son plays against better competition in practices, games, and tournaments in comparison to the other clubs in NoVA which typically have inferior talent and play much weaker competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you think the top 2 kids left Madlax 2023? Because of the dad coach.

Where did the two top kids go play for? I bet that is the real reason they left.

There is no dad coach on 2023 Capital.

crabs and club blue

So just guessing the Club blue kid will be going to GT prep. and the Crabs kid lives closer to Baltimore then NOVA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So just guessing the Club blue kid will be going to GT prep. and the Crabs kid lives closer to Baltimore then NOVA?

No, the Crabs kid livesin NoVA. They both wanted to get as far away from Madlax as possible.

The poster was incorrect. Madlax has two dad coaches. One coaches their 2022 team and the other the 2024 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So just guessing the Club blue kid will be going to GT prep. and the Crabs kid lives closer to Baltimore then NOVA?

No, the Crabs kid livesin NoVA. They both wanted to get as far away from Madlax as possible.

The poster was incorrect. Madlax has two dad coaches. One coaches their 2022 team and the other the 2024 team.

Well if you are driving to Balt. from NOVA you are just a crazy dad. Leaving Madlax is whatever but to drive to Balt. from NOVA puts you in the crazy group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The value is that your son plays against better competition in practices, games, and tournaments in comparison to the other clubs in NoVA which typically have inferior talent and play much weaker competition.

True when it comes to Cav or Top Caliber. Not true when it comes to VLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The value is that your son plays against better competition in practices, games, and tournaments in comparison to the other clubs in NoVA which typically have inferior talent and play much weaker competition.

True when it comes to Cav or Top Caliber. Not true when it comes to VLC.

Well once again VLC can only be 20 kids or so correct. and Black wolf can only be 20 kids or so. Then you have Madlax so even if you put these other two above Madlax which I do not for every level. But if you do Madlax is still a top three program and the others are way behind these three programs they really are. Those great Cavs teams at the younger ages will be losing there best players to these three clubs listed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The value is that your son plays against better competition in practices, games, and tournaments in comparison to the other clubs in NoVA which typically have inferior talent and play much weaker competition.

True when it comes to Cav or Top Caliber. Not true when it comes to VLC.

Well once again VLC can only be 20 kids or so correct. and Black wolf can only be 20 kids or so. Then you have Madlax so even if you put these other two above Madlax which I do not for every level. But if you do Madlax is still a top three program and the others are way behind these three programs they really are. Those great Cavs teams at the younger ages will be losing there best players to these three clubs listed.

Time will tell but CAV 2023 will test your theory. This is the only team in NOVA ranked by IL and they have never lost to VLC. This is a tight group of kids that will stick together. Right now they are the top team in N.VA The landscape is always changing. Club lacrosse is only about 10-12 years old in NOVA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The value is that your son plays against better competition in practices, games, and tournaments in comparison to the other clubs in NoVA which typically have inferior talent and play much weaker competition.

True when it comes to Cav or Top Caliber. Not true when it comes to VLC.

Well once again VLC can only be 20 kids or so correct. and Black wolf can only be 20 kids or so. Then you have Madlax so even if you put these other two above Madlax which I do not for every level. But if you do Madlax is still a top three program and the others are way behind these three programs they really are. Those great Cavs teams at the younger ages will be losing there best players to these three clubs listed.

Time will tell but CAV 2023 will test your theory. This is the only team in NOVA ranked by IL and they have never lost to VLC. This is a tight group of kids that will stick together. Right now they are the top team in N.VA The landscape is always changing. Club lacrosse is only about 10-12 years old in NOVA.

Well if those kids stay and they are as good as you say they are it will be a great injustice to those really good players on that team. Because the CAVs have not ever been invited to a real high school tournament in the history of the program. If 2023 really does have any D1 kids on this team it will be really hard from them to make D1 unless those parents pay for extra Showcases and Prospect days. Here is how you test this theory pick whatever top notch program you would like Crabs,LI Express, Madlax, Blackwolf, and the several others. Now go to the high school teams websites and look at the summer schedule of where they will be playing. Now log onto the Cavs page and look at the high school teams schedule. if any of them match I will be shocked because I have had 2 high school sons and I have never once seen a CAVs high school team play in a top notch high school tournament. I have always like the team and coaches for the CAVs but they do not get into the top places to be seen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The value is that your son plays against better competition in practices, games, and tournaments in comparison to the other clubs in NoVA which typically have inferior talent and play much weaker competition.

True when it comes to Cav or Top Caliber. Not true when it comes to VLC.

Well once again VLC can only be 20 kids or so correct. and Black wolf can only be 20 kids or so. Then you have Madlax so even if you put these other two above Madlax which I do not for every level. But if you do Madlax is still a top three program and the others are way behind these three programs they really are. Those great Cavs teams at the younger ages will be losing there best players to these three clubs listed.

Time will tell but CAV 2023 will test your theory. This is the only team in NOVA ranked by IL and they have never lost to VLC. This is a tight group of kids that will stick together. Right now they are the top team in N.VA The landscape is always changing. Club lacrosse is only about 10-12 years old in NOVA.

VLC 2023 just was formed this year. Both Madlax and VLC would absolutely destroy Cav 2023, as would any decent club. You dads are delusional.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So just guessing the Club blue kid will be going to GT prep. and the Crabs kid lives closer to Baltimore then NOVA?

No, the Crabs kid livesin NoVA. They both wanted to get as far away from Madlax as possible.

The poster was incorrect. Madlax has two dad coaches. One coaches their 2022 team and the other the 2024 team.

Well if you are driving to Balt. from NOVA you are just a crazy dad. Leaving Madlax is whatever but to drive to Balt. from NOVA puts you in the crazy group.

It is not crazy to play for the Crabs if you live in NoVA and think that is your best option. People in the DMV have been sending their kids to Crabs practices for years. It's only another 20+ minutes in the car to get to Boys Latin.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The value is that your son plays against better competition in practices, games, and tournaments in comparison to the other clubs in NoVA which typically have inferior talent and play much weaker competition.

True when it comes to Cav or Top Caliber. Not true when it comes to VLC.

Well once again VLC can only be 20 kids or so correct. and Black wolf can only be 20 kids or so. Then you have Madlax so even if you put these other two above Madlax which I do not for every level. But if you do Madlax is still a top three program and the others are way behind these three programs they really are. Those great Cavs teams at the younger ages will be losing there best players to these three clubs listed.

Time will tell but CAV 2023 will test your theory. This is the only team in NOVA ranked by IL and they have never lost to VLC. This is a tight group of kids that will stick together. Right now they are the top team in N.VA The landscape is always changing. Club lacrosse is only about 10-12 years old in NOVA.

You do realize that your son's team is ranked 16th out of the teams registered for WSYL and doesn't include teams not going to Denver?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So just guessing the Club blue kid will be going to GT prep. and the Crabs kid lives closer to Baltimore then NOVA?

No, the Crabs kid livesin NoVA. They both wanted to get as far away from Madlax as possible.

The poster was incorrect. Madlax has two dad coaches. One coaches their 2022 team and the other the 2024 team.

Well if you are driving to Balt. from NOVA you are just a crazy dad. Leaving Madlax is whatever but to drive to Balt. from NOVA puts you in the crazy group.

It is not crazy to play for the Crabs if you live in NoVA and think that is your best option. People in the DMV have been sending their kids to Crabs practices for years. It's only another 20+ minutes in the car to get to Boys Latin.

There has been some crazy things posted on this site but you just won for the most outlandish post ever. Unless you post a picture of your personal helicopter or flying car, there is now way to get from N.VA to BL in 20 minutes. It may take an hour and 20 minutes. I would be more likely to believe that Evergreen will win the Elite Div this year than believe you can get to a Crabs practice in 20 minutes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The value is that your son plays against better competition in practices, games, and tournaments in comparison to the other clubs in NoVA which typically have inferior talent and play much weaker competition.

True when it comes to Cav or Top Caliber. Not true when it comes to VLC.

Well once again VLC can only be 20 kids or so correct. and Black wolf can only be 20 kids or so. Then you have Madlax so even if you put these other two above Madlax which I do not for every level. But if you do Madlax is still a top three program and the others are way behind these three programs they really are. Those great Cavs teams at the younger ages will be losing there best players to these three clubs listed.

Time will tell but CAV 2023 will test your theory. This is the only team in NOVA ranked by IL and they have never lost to VLC. This is a tight group of kids that will stick together. Right now they are the top team in N.VA The landscape is always changing. Club lacrosse is only about 10-12 years old in NOVA.

Well if those kids stay and they are as good as you say they are it will be a great injustice to those really good players on that team. Because the CAVs have not ever been invited to a real high school tournament in the history of the program. If 2023 really does have any D1 kids on this team it will be really hard from them to make D1 unless those parents pay for extra Showcases and Prospect days. Here is how you test this theory pick whatever top notch program you would like Crabs,LI Express, Madlax, Blackwolf, and the several others. Now go to the high school teams websites and look at the summer schedule of where they will be playing. Now log onto the Cavs page and look at the high school teams schedule. if any of them match I will be shocked because I have had 2 high school sons and I have never once seen a CAVs high school team play in a top notch high school tournament. I have always like the team and coaches for the CAVs but they do not get into the top places to be seen.

I do not even need to go the the website to tell you Cav's has players committed to Army, Towson, HPU many not the numbers of the other programs yet but they have players playing and committed to D1 programs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So just guessing the Club blue kid will be going to GT prep. and the Crabs kid lives closer to Baltimore then NOVA?

No, the Crabs kid livesin NoVA. They both wanted to get as far away from Madlax as possible.

The poster was incorrect. Madlax has two dad coaches. One coaches their 2022 team and the other the 2024 team.

Well if you are driving to Balt. from NOVA you are just a crazy dad. Leaving Madlax is whatever but to drive to Balt. from NOVA puts you in the crazy group.

It is not crazy to play for the Crabs if you live in NoVA and think that is your best option. People in the DMV have been sending their kids to Crabs practices for years. It's only another 20+ minutes in the car to get to Boys Latin.

There has been some crazy things posted on this site but you just won for the most outlandish post ever. Unless you post a picture of your personal helicopter or flying car, there is now way to get from N.VA to BL in 20 minutes. It may take an hour and 20 minutes. I would be more likely to believe that Evergreen will win the Elite Div this year than believe you can get to a Crabs practice in 20 minutes.

Work on your reading comprehension. The poster said "it's only ANOTHER 20+ minutes to get to BL". In other words, driving from NOVA to Baltimore is only 20 or so MORE minutes more than driving somewhere else in the DMV.

Are you really that stupid?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The value is that your son plays against better competition in practices, games, and tournaments in comparison to the other clubs in NoVA which typically have inferior talent and play much weaker competition.

True when it comes to Cav or Top Caliber. Not true when it comes to VLC.

Well once again VLC can only be 20 kids or so correct. and Black wolf can only be 20 kids or so. Then you have Madlax so even if you put these other two above Madlax which I do not for every level. But if you do Madlax is still a top three program and the others are way behind these three programs they really are. Those great Cavs teams at the younger ages will be losing there best players to these three clubs listed.

Time will tell but CAV 2023 will test your theory. This is the only team in NOVA ranked by IL and they have never lost to VLC. This is a tight group of kids that will stick together. Right now they are the top team in N.VA The landscape is always changing. Club lacrosse is only about 10-12 years old in NOVA.

Well if those kids stay and they are as good as you say they are it will be a great injustice to those really good players on that team. Because the CAVs have not ever been invited to a real high school tournament in the history of the program. If 2023 really does have any D1 kids on this team it will be really hard from them to make D1 unless those parents pay for extra Showcases and Prospect days. Here is how you test this theory pick whatever top notch program you would like Crabs,LI Express, Madlax, Blackwolf, and the several others. Now go to the high school teams websites and look at the summer schedule of where they will be playing. Now log onto the Cavs page and look at the high school teams schedule. if any of them match I will be shocked because I have had 2 high school sons and I have never once seen a CAVs high school team play in a top notch high school tournament. I have always like the team and coaches for the CAVs but they do not get into the top places to be seen.

I do not even need to go the the website to tell you Cav's has players committed to Army, Towson, HPU many not the numbers of the other programs yet but they have players playing and committed to D1 programs

Well sir keep reading my full post. I can promise you those kids 1 played at a top private school "PVI" , 2 spent lots of time and money doing showcases and prospect days. Yes it can be done but its a lot harder road.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So just guessing the Club blue kid will be going to GT prep. and the Crabs kid lives closer to Baltimore then NOVA?

No, the Crabs kid livesin NoVA. They both wanted to get as far away from Madlax as possible.

The poster was incorrect. Madlax has two dad coaches. One coaches their 2022 team and the other the 2024 team.

Well if you are driving to Balt. from NOVA you are just a crazy dad. Leaving Madlax is whatever but to drive to Balt. from NOVA puts you in the crazy group.

It is not crazy to play for the Crabs if you live in NoVA and think that is your best option. People in the DMV have been sending their kids to Crabs practices for years. It's only another 20+ minutes in the car to get to Boys Latin.

There has been some crazy things posted on this site but you just won for the most outlandish post ever. Unless you post a picture of your personal helicopter or flying car, there is now way to get from N.VA to BL in 20 minutes. It may take an hour and 20 minutes. I would be more likely to believe that Evergreen will win the Elite Div this year than believe you can get to a Crabs practice in 20 minutes.

Work on your reading comprehension. The poster said "it's only ANOTHER 20+ minutes to get to BL". In other words, driving from NOVA to Baltimore is only 20 or so MORE minutes more than driving somewhere else in the DMV.

Are you really that stupid?

It takes at least 20 min on 95 to go from 495 to 695. At rush hour would take at least 30 minutes to BL from 95/695 but probably closer to an hour. I live in Lutherville a few towns north of BL. Could take me 20 minutes to BL leaving at 5:30. There's nothing special about the water here that makes the coaching or players better. Maybe 20 years ago. I can't imagine spending 3 hours 2/week traveling to and from home for youth lacrosse. Maybe in HS when it's 8-10 practices in summer and could help with college recruiting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So just guessing the Club blue kid will be going to GT prep. and the Crabs kid lives closer to Baltimore then NOVA?

No, the Crabs kid livesin NoVA. They both wanted to get as far away from Madlax as possible.

The poster was incorrect. Madlax has two dad coaches. One coaches their 2022 team and the other the 2024 team.

Well if you are driving to Balt. from NOVA you are just a crazy dad. Leaving Madlax is whatever but to drive to Balt. from NOVA puts you in the crazy group.

It is not crazy to play for the Crabs if you live in NoVA and think that is your best option. People in the DMV have been sending their kids to Crabs practices for years. It's only another 20+ minutes in the car to get to Boys Latin.

There has been some crazy things posted on this site but you just won for the most outlandish post ever. Unless you post a picture of your personal helicopter or flying car, there is now way to get from N.VA to BL in 20 minutes. It may take an hour and 20 minutes. I would be more likely to believe that Evergreen will win the Elite Div this year than believe you can get to a Crabs practice in 20 minutes.

Work on your reading comprehension. The poster said "it's only ANOTHER 20+ minutes to get to BL". In other words, driving from NOVA to Baltimore is only 20 or so MORE minutes more than driving somewhere else in the DMV.

Are you really that stupid?

Where in Northern VA can you get to Baltimore in 20 minutes? If the parents want to make the commitment fine but "another 20 minutes from where?" You cannot get to Baltimore from Bethesda either in 20 Min. Teams have mid week practices. Might as well play for Dukes and fly to practice or take the train. Either way it is a huge investment that will cost way more than 20 minutes. But to answer your question, I decided to comment on this idiotic topic so I guess I am that stupid.

Evergreen and Cavalier have superior coaching, better athletes, and better facilities than Madlax. Madlax is old news for the 2021 classes and younger.. Just watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen and Cavalier have superior coaching, better athletes, and better facilities than Madlax. Madlax is old news for the 2021 classes and younger.. Just watch.

These two teams play in Crap tournaments. When Evergreen and Cavs play in a real tournaments please repost. Until then all 8th graders will be leaving these two programs for the big 3 in NOVA

why is madlax 2023 capital playing in A division? Where are they playing this year in HOCO?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why is madlax 2023 capital playing in A division? Where are they playing this year in HOCO?

They went 0-3 in their own fall tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen and Cavalier have superior coaching, better athletes, and better facilities than Madlax. Madlax is old news for the 2021 classes and younger.. Just watch.

These two teams play in Crap tournaments. When Evergreen and Cavs play in a real tournaments please repost. Until then all 8th graders will be leaving these two programs for the big 3 in NOVA

So much this. Kids who want to play in a D1 program leave and go to VLC, Blackwolf, Madlax, etc. Cavs is a money making machine, first and foremost.

Just peek at the college commit list ... it is comical! The 2019 list shows six kids. ONLY ONE of those kids still plays with Cavlax. ONE. The other five play for other clubs mentioned and have not played on Cavs for years. Similar pattern for 2018, 2017 etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen and Cavalier have superior coaching, better athletes, and better facilities than Madlax. Madlax is old news for the 2021 classes and younger.. Just watch.

These two teams play in Crap tournaments. When Evergreen and Cavs play in a real tournaments please repost. Until then all 8th graders will be leaving these two programs for the big 3 in NOVA

So much this. Kids who want to play in a D1 program leave and go to VLC, Blackwolf, Madlax, etc. Cavs is a money making machine, first and foremost.

Just peek at the college commit list ... it is comical! The 2019 list shows six kids. ONLY ONE of those kids still plays with Cavlax. ONE. The other five play for other clubs mentioned and have not played on Cavs for years. Similar pattern for 2018, 2017 etc.

You are right on the money. Glorified rec program.

Wow. Some of those kids last played for Cavaier when they were 11 years old. And Cavs puts them down on their commit list? LOL.

Question: Will the DC Dogs play in HOCO and all year long? My son is considering trying out for the team. I know they are mostly Club Blue but will add a few players.

Daddy Ball!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Daddy Ball!

If you want to call this DC Dogs team daddy ball go ahead i am sure they will be fine with it. This team is very good and has played well at all the big tournaments. If your son can make this team would be a great thing for him and his play. All teams and coaches have favorite players blood or no blood that is just how all team sports are. But what I know from my 50 plus years of sports is if your kid is really good they will change the favorites on the team no matter who the kids ride home with after the game.

i love daddy ball paid coaches are OVER RATED....hawks crabs and most clubs have Dads that coach. Don't believe the nonsense. HS is when you bring in the professionals. There is no diference

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen and Cavalier have superior coaching, better athletes, and better facilities than Madlax. Madlax is old news for the 2021 classes and younger.. Just watch.

These two teams play in Crap tournaments. When Evergreen and Cavs play in a real tournaments please repost. Until then all 8th graders will be leaving these two programs for the big 3 in NOVA

So much this. Kids who want to play in a D1 program leave and go to VLC, Blackwolf, Madlax, etc. Cavs is a money making machine, first and foremost.

Just peek at the college commit list ... it is comical! The 2019 list shows six kids. ONLY ONE of those kids still plays with Cavlax. ONE. The other five play for other clubs mentioned and have not played on Cavs for years. Similar pattern for 2018, 2017 etc.

You are right on the money. Glorified rec program.

Mass exit from the 2023 team this fall. The CAV teams need to play better tournaments to keep kids

The Madlac 2023 Capital kids were folded into the Madlax 2022B team and played in terrible 2022 b tournaments.

The mass exit began 2 months ago when DC dogs was formed. Lots of loyalty from Madlax to those capital familes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen and Cavalier have superior coaching, better athletes, and better facilities than Madlax. Madlax is old news for the 2021 classes and younger.. Just watch.

These two teams play in Crap tournaments. When Evergreen and Cavs play in a real tournaments please repost. Until then all 8th graders will be leaving these two programs for the big 3 in NOVA

So much this. Kids who want to play in a D1 program leave and go to VLC, Blackwolf, Madlax, etc. Cavs is a money making machine, first and foremost.

Just peek at the college commit list ... it is comical! The 2019 list shows six kids. ONLY ONE of those kids still plays with Cavlax. ONE. The other five play for other clubs mentioned and have not played on Cavs for years. Similar pattern for 2018, 2017 etc.

You are right on the money. Glorified rec program.

Mass exit from the 2023 team this fall. The CAV teams need to play better tournaments to keep kids

Madlax 2023 Capital was a 2023 B team a folding into 2022 B? WTH?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen and Cavalier have superior coaching, better athletes, and better facilities than Madlax. Madlax is old news for the 2021 classes and younger.. Just watch.

These two teams play in Crap tournaments. When Evergreen and Cavs play in a real tournaments please repost. Until then all 8th graders will be leaving these two programs for the big 3 in NOVA

So much this. Kids who want to play in a D1 program leave and go to VLC, Blackwolf, Madlax, etc. Cavs is a money making machine, first and foremost.

Just peek at the college commit list ... it is comical! The 2019 list shows six kids. ONLY ONE of those kids still plays with Cavlax. ONE. The other five play for other clubs mentioned and have not played on Cavs for years. Similar pattern for 2018, 2017 etc.

You are right on the money. Glorified rec program.

Mass exit from the 2023 team this fall. The CAV teams need to play better tournaments to keep kids

Madlax 2023 Capital was a 2023 B team a folding into 2022 B? WTH?

The 2023 DC Dogs team just had tryouts if any kid from Madlax Cap is good enough they will play for this top team. It was just a trick to take a really good team and bring them over to a better larger club. If they had just dropped the name and all just showed up at Madlax Cap tryouts and beat out all the kids then what would you people be saying? This kind of turnover happens all the time at these top clubs name any of them and see the names on the roster change 40 to 70 % from 5th grade to 10th grade. Some year are worse then others because a team will fold and the kids all move to new teams.

"This kind of turnover happens all the time at these top clubs name any of them and see the names on the roster change 40 to 70 % from 5th grade to 10th grade. Some year are worse then others because a team will fold and the kids all move to new teams."

While this is most likely the case it does beg the question why pay for a "top" team in 5th grade? What is a top team? Winning? (not at 2023) Do all the top teams charge that much more than other teams, if so is it worth it? I know I am responding to an old post but MadLax parents should take note. There are 2029 teams now being formed and a 2024 team with a college sized roster. Some players on the 2023 team started in 3rd or 4th grade and now need to find a new team a year before HS because Madlax imported an entire MD team that already had kids well known by the coach. I know everyone is free to do what they please and all kids can be replaced at any time. But "trust the process" is a joke. When a kid leaves Madlax he is called an ungrateful quitter. What happens when the club fails to develop the player? What does 90% turnover in the 2023 team say about the club in the year just prior to HS? Advice is look out for you and remember that there are other options in N.VA now more than ever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"This kind of turnover happens all the time at these top clubs name any of them and see the names on the roster change 40 to 70 % from 5th grade to 10th grade. Some year are worse then others because a team will fold and the kids all move to new teams."

While this is most likely the case it does beg the question why pay for a "top" team in 5th grade? What is a top team? Winning? (not at 2023) Do all the top teams charge that much more than other teams, if so is it worth it? I know I am responding to an old post but MadLax parents should take note. There are 2029 teams now being formed and a 2024 team with a college sized roster. Some players on the 2023 team started in 3rd or 4th grade and now need to find a new team a year before HS because Madlax imported an entire MD team that already had kids well known by the coach. I know everyone is free to do what they please and all kids can be replaced at any time. But "trust the process" is a joke. When a kid leaves Madlax he is called an ungrateful quitter. What happens when the club fails to develop the player? What does 90% turnover in the 2023 team say about the club in the year just prior to HS? Advice is look out for you and remember that there are other options in N.VA now more than ever.

Ok thanks for finding my old post. What has happened with the Madlax 2023 team is not the norm for this club over the last 20 years. The Madlax Cap 2023 team if I remember was under preforming before the DC Dogs team came over last year. This DC dogs team is very good and was built from a network of parents before Madlax was involved. The DC Dogs team came to CM or CM went to them people say both. And they ended up moving to Madlax to take advantage of network that Madlax the club has. The kids on the Madlax 2023 Cap team when the Dogs showed up had a chance to tryout and beat to make this team. Most did not. I think If the dogs team would of just dropped the name and just all showed up to a Madlax tryout in the fall or spring these same kids would of made the team and this would not be talked about.
* And to go back to my point about the 40 to 70% turnover from 5th to 10th grade these numbers also apply to the bad clubs/ lower level clubs. The Cavs,Evergreen,Battlelax, Top Cal. all these teams will end up with a 40 to 70% roster turnover from the 5th to 10th grade years.
* And let me give you a little history on the ungrateful quitter topic. This kid was a great player who was a starter he was not cut he was yelled at during a game and it hurt his feelings. Then then left the team without notice. Then yes he was called bad names. CMs lowest point for sure.
* Lets talk about your develop the player point. All coaches who have coached for 10 or more years learn really fast that how a kid is built and grows is the biggest factor in how good they become over a 5 year window. In imply Maldax is not teaching or stopping kids from doing things fundamentally sound is just 100% wrong. They coach the details as much or more then any coach. But if a real athlete shows up at tryouts in 7th or 8th grade and has lacrosse skills. It does not matter if your slow/fat or short son can tell you every detail of a lacrosse skill he will be cut.
I have more but I have to do a little work today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"This kind of turnover happens all the time at these top clubs name any of them and see the names on the roster change 40 to 70 % from 5th grade to 10th grade. Some year are worse then others because a team will fold and the kids all move to new teams."

While this is most likely the case it does beg the question why pay for a "top" team in 5th grade? What is a top team? Winning? (not at 2023) Do all the top teams charge that much more than other teams, if so is it worth it? I know I am responding to an old post but MadLax parents should take note. There are 2029 teams now being formed and a 2024 team with a college sized roster. Some players on the 2023 team started in 3rd or 4th grade and now need to find a new team a year before HS because Madlax imported an entire MD team that already had kids well known by the coach. I know everyone is free to do what they please and all kids can be replaced at any time. But "trust the process" is a joke. When a kid leaves Madlax he is called an ungrateful quitter. What happens when the club fails to develop the player? What does 90% turnover in the 2023 team say about the club in the year just prior to HS? Advice is look out for you and remember that there are other options in N.VA now more than ever.

Ok thanks for finding my old post. What has happened with the Madlax 2023 team is not the norm for this club over the last 20 years. The Madlax Cap 2023 team if I remember was under preforming before the DC Dogs team came over last year. This DC dogs team is very good and was built from a network of parents before Madlax was involved. The DC Dogs team came to CM or CM went to them people say both. And they ended up moving to Madlax to take advantage of network that Madlax the club has. The kids on the Madlax 2023 Cap team when the Dogs showed up had a chance to tryout and beat to make this team. Most did not. I think If the dogs team would of just dropped the name and just all showed up to a Madlax tryout in the fall or spring these same kids would of made the team and this would not be talked about.
* And to go back to my point about the 40 to 70% turnover from 5th to 10th grade these numbers also apply to the bad clubs/ lower level clubs. The Cavs,Evergreen,Battlelax, Top Cal. all these teams will end up with a 40 to 70% roster turnover from the 5th to 10th grade years.
* And let me give you a little history on the ungrateful quitter topic. This kid was a great player who was a starter he was not cut he was yelled at during a game and it hurt his feelings. Then then left the team without notice. Then yes he was called bad names. CMs lowest point for sure.
* Lets talk about your develop the player point. All coaches who have coached for 10 or more years learn really fast that how a kid is built and grows is the biggest factor in how good they become over a 5 year window. In imply Maldax is not teaching or stopping kids from doing things fundamentally sound is just 100% wrong. They coach the details as much or more then any coach. But if a real athlete shows up at tryouts in 7th or 8th grade and has lacrosse skills. It does not matter if your slow/fat or short son can tell you every detail of a lacrosse skill he will be cut.
I have more but I have to do a little work today.

Sorry to interrupt your work day. By the way when you will you be finished stringing my stick?

The idea that Madlax has some recruiting network that other clubs don't is ridiculous. They've had plenty of really good kids commit to good schools for sure, but those same kids could have done so on their own playing for any club. Just because you can collect talent doesn't mean that the kids are any better off from a recruiting stand point. If my kid is wearing an evergreen jersey and puts together a great tape, college and high school coaches are not going to turn their noses up. Madlax sells this fantasy that only they can provide opportunities for kids and that's why you must pay double what other clubs charge. The coaching isn't any better than competing clubs, the opportunities and connections aren't any better, the tournaments they attend aren't any better, they just have a better sales pitch that preys on the insecurities of parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The idea that Madlax has some recruiting network that other clubs don't is ridiculous. They've had plenty of really good kids commit to good schools for sure, but those same kids could have done so on their own playing for any club. Just because you can collect talent doesn't mean that the kids are any better off from a recruiting stand point. If my kid is wearing an evergreen jersey and puts together a great tape, college and high school coaches are not going to turn their noses up. Madlax sells this fantasy that only they can provide opportunities for kids and that's why you must pay double what other clubs charge. The coaching isn't any better than competing clubs, the opportunities and connections aren't any better, the tournaments they attend aren't any better, they just have a better sales pitch that preys on the insecurities of parents.

Blackwolf and VLC are worse at winning nothing and collecting talent developed elsewhere but preying on the insecurities of parents. At least Madlax HS teams win tournaments from time to time. For example, 2019s and Naptown. When was the last time VLC or BW won a significant tournament, both are living off the aged reputation of teams long graduated from HS.

I have been waiting weeks for my stick to be ready....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The idea that Madlax has some recruiting network that other clubs don't is ridiculous. They've had plenty of really good kids commit to good schools for sure, but those same kids could have done so on their own playing for any club. Just because you can collect talent doesn't mean that the kids are any better off from a recruiting stand point. If my kid is wearing an evergreen jersey and puts together a great tape, college and high school coaches are not going to turn their noses up. Madlax sells this fantasy that only they can provide opportunities for kids and that's why you must pay double what other clubs charge. The coaching isn't any better than competing clubs, the opportunities and connections aren't any better, the tournaments they attend aren't any better, they just have a better sales pitch that preys on the insecurities of parents.

OK Sir,
With no disrespect but if you think Evergreen will give your son the same looks as Madlax Cap. your are very wrong. They play in awful awful tournaments with 10 coaches total at the event. I agree it is all about how your son plays and what he does on and off the field that get him a spot on a D1 team. In theory you can and will be seen playing for any team. But what Madlax , VLC, BW, and the other larger clubs give you is a great starting point. You will be seen playing for them and then get contacted by more schools. Its just plan math you are paying for 40 and 50 sets of eyes on your son. So let me ask you a question. How much more would you pay to have your son seen by 75% more coaches over a summer? So in theory if Madlax is 25% more money a year then Evergreen but you are seen by 75% more coaches over this same time frame some would say its a 50% better value.
Also to make another point from a dad who has a son getting to play college lacrosse. If you go with a lesser club you will need to pay for and attend more prospect days. These cost $85 to $175 to attend and most times a hotel room for the night. But without the larger number of coaches watching your son play you will have no idea what prospect days to attend. So you will need to attend some just to know what size, level your sons fits before you can even start to narrow down a school to attend. And now sorry for the bad news parents of younger kids 2021 and below. With this new rule of Sept 1st Jr. year. You will have 15 months of calls,visits and prospect days trying to pick a school. This is more then enough time if your son is a top D1 talent but if he is anything lower then this you are going to be in a full court rebels to find him a home. And with this new rule you will not know what your son is 100% until 12AM Sept 1st.

Must be a Cavalier parent...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been waiting weeks for my stick to be ready....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been waiting weeks for my stick to be ready....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been waiting weeks for my stick to be ready....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been waiting weeks for my stick to be ready....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The idea that Madlax has some recruiting network that other clubs don't is ridiculous. They've had plenty of really good kids commit to good schools for sure, but those same kids could have done so on their own playing for any club. Just because you can collect talent doesn't mean that the kids are any better off from a recruiting stand point. If my kid is wearing an evergreen jersey and puts together a great tape, college and high school coaches are not going to turn their noses up. Madlax sells this fantasy that only they can provide opportunities for kids and that's why you must pay double what other clubs charge. The coaching isn't any better than competing clubs, the opportunities and connections aren't any better, the tournaments they attend aren't any better, they just have a better sales pitch that preys on the insecurities of parents.

Blackwolf and VLC are worse at winning nothing and collecting talent developed elsewhere but preying on the insecurities of parents. At least Madlax HS teams win tournaments from time to time. For example, 2019s and Naptown. When was the last time VLC or BW won a significant tournament, both are living off the aged reputation of teams long graduated from HS.

You are an stunad. Nobody cares who wins a tournament except youth parents. While BW picks off players, VLC does not. Regardless, Madlax, VLC and BW are all succesful at getting their players into college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The idea that Madlax has some recruiting network that other clubs don't is ridiculous. They've had plenty of really good kids commit to good schools for sure, but those same kids could have done so on their own playing for any club. Just because you can collect talent doesn't mean that the kids are any better off from a recruiting stand point. If my kid is wearing an evergreen jersey and puts together a great tape, college and high school coaches are not going to turn their noses up. Madlax sells this fantasy that only they can provide opportunities for kids and that's why you must pay double what other clubs charge. The coaching isn't any better than competing clubs, the opportunities and connections aren't any better, the tournaments they attend aren't any better, they just have a better sales pitch that preys on the insecurities of parents.

Blackwolf and VLC are worse at winning nothing and collecting talent developed elsewhere but preying on the insecurities of parents. At least Madlax HS teams win tournaments from time to time. For example, 2019s and Naptown. When was the last time VLC or BW won a significant tournament, both are living off the aged reputation of teams long graduated from HS.

You are an stunad. Nobody cares who wins a tournament except youth parents. While BW picks off players, VLC does not. Regardless, Madlax, VLC and BW are all succesful at getting their players into college.

I am the biggest Madlax homer on this site. But this guy is correct all three are the class of Va. If you have a D1 kid pick from these 3. It will be a easier process for him and you. Can it be done at another club yes but it will be harder to get it done. If your son is not playing for one of these clubs look at the other two and move when you can if you can to get on the field. There are 60 kids at least you should be playing at this level in the DMV .

"I am the biggest Madlax homer on this site. But this guy is correct all three are the class of Va. If you have a D1 kid pick from these 3. It will be a easier process for him and you. Can it be done at another club yes but it will be harder to get it done. If your son is not playing for one of these clubs look at the other two and move when you can if you can to get on the field. There are 60 kids at least you should be playing at this level in the DMV ."

One issue with this is that more parents think a kid has D1 potential than the number of kids that actually are. This is what feeds the beast of youth sports. Do not worry parental ego's will bring kids to the best teams. Evergreen and Cavalier's top teams were 2022 (EVG) and 2023 (Cav) and both lost top talent this summer to the established clubs. Most went to BW and a few to VLC. Madlax 2023 is really a MD team not a NOVA team and practices in Montgomery CO which makes it difficult for Loudoun parents when the other options provide the same opportunity. Other N.VA kids also play for Next Level and DCE which are equal to if not a better opportunity than the "big 3"

DCE and NL are fighting for the same kids, so when one has a strong team at a grade, the other doesn't.

Things may change based on how bad the DCE guys look trying to oust the Bullis coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE and NL are fighting for the same kids, so when one has a strong team at a grade, the other doesn't.

Things may change based on how bad the DCE guys look trying to oust the Bullis coach.

I think Cabell's email proved that parents could care less how bad the leadership of the club looks as long as they feel like little Johnny's needs are being served.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]DCE and NL are fighting for the same kids, so when one has a strong team at a grade, the other doesn't.

Things may change based on how bad the DCE guys look trying to oust the Bullis coach.

I think Cabell's email proved that parents could care less how bad the leadership of the club looks as long as they feel like little Johnny's needs are being served

There are some weak arguments here and above. My sons team plays in HOCO and other tourneys against Madlax. Have seen other MLax teams play and generally play at a high level in the best tournaments (successful programs seem to catch the most grief (see also Hawks and Md91)). Kids do play at top schools and get recruited. Fairest criticism is a big roster size/lack of playing time and having two teams where DMV players/parents may aspire to Capital and hang out too long instead of looking at other options. But the top kids seem to do great...

Madlax 2024 added 5 reclassed kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2024 added 5 reclassed kids

Only 5 whats wrong with them ??? They will need more to compete at elite level.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

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Just remember this article only showed the emails from Madlax back to this guy. They left off the emails he sent to the Madlax owner. Its not a good look for sure but this story is not the full story. I will leave it at that. This kid went on and got a D1 spot so no one was harmed by these nasty emails to a donk dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

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Just remember this article only showed the emails from Madlax back to this guy. They left off the emails he sent to the Madlax owner. Its not a good look for sure but this story is not the full story. I will leave it at that. This kid went on and got a D1 spot so no one was harmed by these nasty emails to a donk dad.

And it’s very old news. this horse has been beat dead.

Except the kid could have been harmed if the donk dad hadn't exposed CM for the psycho he is. CM was going to have the kid physically assaulted on the field just because an 8th grader, and his parent's $$, left the team. But you go one thinking it's a dead horse.

Sounds like someone's kid got demoted to the "DMV" team following this fall. Posting on multiple threads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Just remember this article only showed the emails from Madlax back to this guy. They left off the emails he sent to the Madlax owner. Its not a good look for sure but this story is not the full story. I will leave it at that. This kid went on and got a D1 spot so no one was harmed by these nasty emails to a donk dad.

please please please tell me what email could have been sent that warranted this response? Threaten the dad, maybe but really there is no way this should have ever been sent under any circumstance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Just remember this article only showed the emails from Madlax back to this guy. They left off the emails he sent to the Madlax owner. Its not a good look for sure but this story is not the full story. I will leave it at that. This kid went on and got a D1 spot so no one was harmed by these nasty emails to a donk dad.

You are an stunad. I've seen the entire emails and the family did nothing wrong. But even if they bore some fault, you are actually grasping at straws and condoning a business owner threatening his clients? Because a kid who plays lacrosse decided he wanted a change? Are you out of your mind?

And plenty of people were harmed by his threats. The family had to deal with that crap. The club took a significant hit. The former and current club parents have to deal with the embarrassment of paying and playing for him. Get real.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like someone's kid got demoted to the "DMV" team following this fall. Posting on multiple threads.

^^^

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Have fun with this program

Just remember this article only showed the emails from Madlax back to this guy. They left off the emails he sent to the Madlax owner. Its not a good look for sure but this story is not the full story. I will leave it at that. This kid went on and got a D1 spot so no one was harmed by these nasty emails to a donk dad.

You are an stunad. I've seen the entire emails and the family did nothing wrong. But even if they bore some fault, you are actually grasping at straws and condoning a business owner threatening his clients? Because a kid who plays lacrosse decided he wanted a change? Are you out of your mind?

And plenty of people were harmed by his threats. The family had to deal with that crap. The club took a significant hit. The former and current club parents have to deal with the embarrassment of paying and playing for him. Get real.

^^^

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Have fun with this program

Just remember this article only showed the emails from Madlax back to this guy. They left off the emails he sent to the Madlax owner. Its not a good look for sure but this story is not the full story. I will leave it at that. This kid went on and got a D1 spot so no one was harmed by these nasty emails to a donk dad.

You are an stunad. I've seen the entire emails and the family did nothing wrong. But even if they bore some fault, you are actually grasping at straws and condoning a business owner threatening his clients? Because a kid who plays lacrosse decided he wanted a change? Are you out of your mind?

And plenty of people were harmed by his threats. The family had to deal with that crap. The club took a significant hit. The former and current club parents have to deal with the embarrassment of paying and playing for him. Get real.

^^^

“The former and current club parents have to deal with the embarrassment of paying and playing for him.”

Dumbest statement ever. They have the ability to easily walk away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Just remember this article only showed the emails from Madlax back to this guy. They left off the emails he sent to the Madlax owner. Its not a good look for sure but this story is not the full story. I will leave it at that. This kid went on and got a D1 spot so no one was harmed by these nasty emails to a donk dad.

Wow..2013 ??? And still news.

So how did the game come out against VLC ?? It looked like there were to be some paybacks according to email.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Have fun with this program

Just remember this article only showed the emails from Madlax back to this guy. They left off the emails he sent to the Madlax owner. Its not a good look for sure but this story is not the full story. I will leave it at that. This kid went on and got a D1 spot so no one was harmed by these nasty emails to a donk dad.

Wow..2013 ??? And still news.

So how did the game come out against VLC ?? It looked like there were to be some paybacks according to email.

Nothing happened the kid and the other kids went on to all do great things and are playing in college. The emails are a very bad look but this is a very dead horse. Everyone has emails or fights they would love to take back. But CM will never be allowed to not hear about this. 2013 not 2018. He has growing kids now he only had babies 5 years ago. We all change and we all make mistakes. But god would you want to have to hear about a mistake you had 5 years ago? Heck you guys act like he punched him in the face. He did not!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Just remember this article only showed the emails from Madlax back to this guy. They left off the emails he sent to the Madlax owner. Its not a good look for sure but this story is not the full story. I will leave it at that. This kid went on and got a D1 spot so no one was harmed by these nasty emails to a donk dad.

Wow..2013 ??? And still news.

So how did the game come out against VLC ?? It looked like there were to be some paybacks according to email.

Nothing happened the kid and the other kids went on to all do great things and are playing in college. The emails are a very bad look but this is a very dead horse. Everyone has emails or fights they would love to take back. But CM will never be allowed to not hear about this. 2013 not 2018. He has growing kids now he only had babies 5 years ago. We all change and we all make mistakes. But god would you want to have to hear about a mistake you had 5 years ago? Heck you guys act like he punched him in the face. He did not!

OK, forget the "bad" look and the threats. Maybe it was a bad time in his life five years ago. What has not changed is the ego and false belief that this program can make or break kids. According to his own words, he wanted to bad mouth this kid to future programs. The player in question is now at UVA despite the fact that the ML owner told the parents he messed up and would regret it. Truth is good players will make themselves what they are despite the obstacles. Kid could have played for anyone. VLC, ML, any team would have provided the same results. Kids make the club not the other way around. It does not seem like Madlax has changed. They still put 30 kids on youth roster. They still sell parents on the idea that only they can provide the ability to play in front of hundreds of coaches. As youth sports is now a business the competition is catching up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Just remember this article only showed the emails from Madlax back to this guy. They left off the emails he sent to the Madlax owner. Its not a good look for sure but this story is not the full story. I will leave it at that. This kid went on and got a D1 spot so no one was harmed by these nasty emails to a donk dad.

Wow..2013 ??? And still news.

So how did the game come out against VLC ?? It looked like there were to be some paybacks according to email.

Nothing happened the kid and the other kids went on to all do great things and are playing in college. The emails are a very bad look but this is a very dead horse. Everyone has emails or fights they would love to take back. But CM will never be allowed to not hear about this. 2013 not 2018. He has growing kids now he only had babies 5 years ago. We all change and we all make mistakes. But god would you want to have to hear about a mistake you had 5 years ago? Heck you guys act like he punched him in the face. He did not!

OK, forget the "bad" look and the threats. Maybe it was a bad time in his life five years ago. What has not changed is the ego and false belief that this program can make or break kids. According to his own words, he wanted to bad mouth this kid to future programs. The player in question is now at UVA despite the fact that the ML owner told the parents he messed up and would regret it. Truth is good players will make themselves what they are despite the obstacles. Kid could have played for anyone. VLC, ML, any team would have provided the same results. Kids make the club not the other way around. It does not seem like Madlax has changed. They still put 30 kids on youth roster. They still sell parents on the idea that only they can provide the ability to play in front of hundreds of coaches. As youth sports is now a business the competition is catching up.

I will not argue with the fact he has a ego. I will not argue that they feel they are the best option in the DMV to play travel lacrosse. But I like that about the club. They are always trying to make each team better. I also agree the players make the team and earn the D1 spots. But what can not agree with is when you say they say they are the only ones to get your kid in front of the coaches. They play in more tournaments at the highest level then any club in the DMV. Some could say they do to many tournaments, play too many games but they do what they say they offer. The most eyes from the best schools. Does VLC and Blackwolf put your kid in front of these same eyes? Yes they do but not the same about of times. As for the 30 kids on the roster I would say this is to deal with the amount of kids changing clubs every year. Madlax in my eyes does a great job of playing and picking the best players every year that show up for tryouts. This hurts peoples feelings. I was a starter last year now I am 5th attack. You will not last long at Madlax if you want to get your spot on the roster in 5th grade and just have it for the next 5 years like other clubs. These numbers force your son to earn his time and forces him to keep earning his time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

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Just remember this article only showed the emails from Madlax back to this guy. They left off the emails he sent to the Madlax owner. Its not a good look for sure but this story is not the full story. I will leave it at that. This kid went on and got a D1 spot so no one was harmed by these nasty emails to a donk dad.

Wow..2013 ??? And still news.

So how did the game come out against VLC ?? It looked like there were to be some paybacks according to email.

Nothing happened the kid and the other kids went on to all do great things and are playing in college. The emails are a very bad look but this is a very dead horse. Everyone has emails or fights they would love to take back. But CM will never be allowed to not hear about this. 2013 not 2018. He has growing kids now he only had babies 5 years ago. We all change and we all make mistakes. But god would you want to have to hear about a mistake you had 5 years ago? Heck you guys act like he punched him in the face. He did not!

Dear Madlax Apologist,

We get that you are tilting at windmills. At least there are lot fewer of you now. The emails are not dead because he continues to act like a donk on and off the field. That is his character. You say that everyone has emails they would like to take back. Please produce emails from other clubs that exhibit similar ridiculous behavior. Who would even think of writing emails like that, let alone sending them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Have fun with this program

Just remember this article only showed the emails from Madlax back to this guy. They left off the emails he sent to the Madlax owner. Its not a good look for sure but this story is not the full story. I will leave it at that. This kid went on and got a D1 spot so no one was harmed by these nasty emails to a donk dad.

Wow..2013 ??? And still news.

So how did the game come out against VLC ?? It looked like there were to be some paybacks according to email.

Nothing happened the kid and the other kids went on to all do great things and are playing in college. The emails are a very bad look but this is a very dead horse. Everyone has emails or fights they would love to take back. But CM will never be allowed to not hear about this. 2013 not 2018. He has growing kids now he only had babies 5 years ago. We all change and we all make mistakes. But god would you want to have to hear about a mistake you had 5 years ago? Heck you guys act like he punched him in the face. He did not!

Dear Madlax Apologist,

We get that you are tilting at windmills. At least there are lot fewer of you now. The emails are not dead because he continues to act like a donk on and off the field. That is his character. You say that everyone has emails they would like to take back. Please produce emails from other clubs that exhibit similar ridiculous behavior. Who would even think of writing emails like that, let alone sending them?

Sorry your son got cut . Relax. Have him hit the wall and try harder next time. He may make MadLax one day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Have fun with this program

Just remember this article only showed the emails from Madlax back to this guy. They left off the emails he sent to the Madlax owner. Its not a good look for sure but this story is not the full story. I will leave it at that. This kid went on and got a D1 spot so no one was harmed by these nasty emails to a donk dad.

Wow..2013 ??? And still news.

So how did the game come out against VLC ?? It looked like there were to be some paybacks according to email.

Nothing happened the kid and the other kids went on to all do great things and are playing in college. The emails are a very bad look but this is a very dead horse. Everyone has emails or fights they would love to take back. But CM will never be allowed to not hear about this. 2013 not 2018. He has growing kids now he only had babies 5 years ago. We all change and we all make mistakes. But god would you want to have to hear about a mistake you had 5 years ago? Heck you guys act like he punched him in the face. He did not!

Dear Madlax Apologist,

We get that you are tilting at windmills. At least there are lot fewer of you now. The emails are not dead because he continues to act like a donk on and off the field. That is his character. You say that everyone has emails they would like to take back. Please produce emails from other clubs that exhibit similar ridiculous behavior. Who would even think of writing emails like that, let alone sending them?

Hello Madlax hater for life,
We understand you do not like CM or Madlax for your reasons. But your lifelong goal of publicly bashing this lacrosse club is just or more passionate then my love for this program. Every company that has been around 20 years will have a bad or bad days. But you can find a 3 to 1 ratio of people who are or were more then happy with their time at Madlax. I am guessing you have stock in VLC or BW if this is the case I guess I understand your passion to bash Madlax if not please move on to better thing to bash on line. ( Like the Orange President)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Have fun with this program

Just remember this article only showed the emails from Madlax back to this guy. They left off the emails he sent to the Madlax owner. Its not a good look for sure but this story is not the full story. I will leave it at that. This kid went on and got a D1 spot so no one was harmed by these nasty emails to a donk dad.

Wow..2013 ??? And still news.

So how did the game come out against VLC ?? It looked like there were to be some paybacks according to email.

Nothing happened the kid and the other kids went on to all do great things and are playing in college. The emails are a very bad look but this is a very dead horse. Everyone has emails or fights they would love to take back. But CM will never be allowed to not hear about this. 2013 not 2018. He has growing kids now he only had babies 5 years ago. We all change and we all make mistakes. But god would you want to have to hear about a mistake you had 5 years ago? Heck you guys act like he punched him in the face. He did not!

Dear Madlax Apologist,

We get that you are tilting at windmills. At least there are lot fewer of you now. The emails are not dead because he continues to act like a donk on and off the field. That is his character. You say that everyone has emails they would like to take back. Please produce emails from other clubs that exhibit similar ridiculous behavior. Who would even think of writing emails like that, let alone sending them?

Hello Madlax hater for life,
We understand you do not like CM or Madlax for your reasons. But your lifelong goal of publicly bashing this lacrosse club is just or more passionate then my love for this program. Every company that has been around 20 years will have a bad or bad days. But you can find a 3 to 1 ratio of people who are or were more then happy with their time at Madlax. I am guessing you have stock in VLC or BW if this is the case I guess I understand your passion to bash Madlax if not please move on to better thing to bash on line. ( Like the Orange President)

Seek help

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Have fun with this program

Just remember this article only showed the emails from Madlax back to this guy. They left off the emails he sent to the Madlax owner. Its not a good look for sure but this story is not the full story. I will leave it at that. This kid went on and got a D1 spot so no one was harmed by these nasty emails to a donk dad.

Wow..2013 ??? And still news.

So how did the game come out against VLC ?? It looked like there were to be some paybacks according to email.

Nothing happened the kid and the other kids went on to all do great things and are playing in college. The emails are a very bad look but this is a very dead horse. Everyone has emails or fights they would love to take back. But CM will never be allowed to not hear about this. 2013 not 2018. He has growing kids now he only had babies 5 years ago. We all change and we all make mistakes. But god would you want to have to hear about a mistake you had 5 years ago? Heck you guys act like he punched him in the face. He did not!

Dear Madlax Apologist,

We get that you are tilting at windmills. At least there are lot fewer of you now. The emails are not dead because he continues to act like a donk on and off the field. That is his character. You say that everyone has emails they would like to take back. Please produce emails from other clubs that exhibit similar ridiculous behavior. Who would even think of writing emails like that, let alone sending them?

Hello Madlax hater for life,
We understand you do not like CM or Madlax for your reasons. But your lifelong goal of publicly bashing this lacrosse club is just or more passionate then my love for this program. Every company that has been around 20 years will have a bad or bad days. But you can find a 3 to 1 ratio of people who are or were more then happy with their time at Madlax. I am guessing you have stock in VLC or BW if this is the case I guess I understand your passion to bash Madlax if not please move on to better thing to bash on line. ( Like the Orange President)

1. You are very odd

2. Threatening one's own clients is not a "bad day". Can you name one business that threatens the clients who give that company the money to operate? And we're not even talking about the childish manner in which it operates.

3. Where do you get a 3:1 ratio of satisfied vs unsatisfied clients?

4. My son never played for Madlax but I have no "stock" in any other club

5. You pay money for your son to play for this maniac. You look the other way as long as it's not you. That says a lot about your character than mine.

Hello Madlax hater for life,
We understand you do not like CM or Madlax for your reasons. But your lifelong goal of publicly bashing this lacrosse club is just or more passionate then my love for this program. Every company that has been around 20 years will have a bad or bad days. But you can find a 3 to 1 ratio of people who are or were more then happy with their time at Madlax. I am guessing you have stock in VLC or BW if this is the case I guess I understand your passion to bash Madlax if not please move on to better thing to bash on line. ( Like the Orange President)
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Wait, let me get this straight. You don't like the "Orange President" but are defending a guy who put really bad things in writing. You do realize the irony here, right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello Madlax hater for life,
We understand you do not like CM or Madlax for your reasons. But your lifelong goal of publicly bashing this lacrosse club is just or more passionate then my love for this program. Every company that has been around 20 years will have a bad or bad days. But you can find a 3 to 1 ratio of people who are or were more then happy with their time at Madlax. I am guessing you have stock in VLC or BW if this is the case I guess I understand your passion to bash Madlax if not please move on to better thing to bash on line. ( Like the Orange President)

Wait, let me get this straight. You don't like the "Orange President" but are defending a guy who put really bad things in writing. You do realize the irony here, right?[/quote]
Yes I do now that you pointed it out. But this is the owner of a travel lacrosse team not the leader of the free world. But back to CM, he is a very direct coach and says things the kids/parents do not want to hear about their own kids. But what he says when coaching is correct 99% of the time. He has taught my son more about the game then any other coach. And the college coaches tell my son he has a very high lacrosse IQ. So it surely work. And back to CM and this moral high ground we would like to take towards him. In a high school Head Coach setting I do and would hold my coaches to a very high standard. But in the travel setting they only spend time with the coach during practice, games and maybe 1 hour total between games. And when you talk to a Travel coach any other times not listed you are asking him a direct question about your play or a college option or coach. My overall point is, no travel coach is molding your son one way or other good or bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello Madlax hater for life,
We understand you do not like CM or Madlax for your reasons. But your lifelong goal of publicly bashing this lacrosse club is just or more passionate then my love for this program. Every company that has been around 20 years will have a bad or bad days. But you can find a 3 to 1 ratio of people who are or were more then happy with their time at Madlax. I am guessing you have stock in VLC or BW if this is the case I guess I understand your passion to bash Madlax if not please move on to better thing to bash on line. ( Like the Orange President)

Wait, let me get this straight. You don't like the "Orange President" but are defending a guy who put really bad things in writing. You do realize the irony here, right?

Yes I do now that you pointed it out. But this is the owner of a travel lacrosse team not the leader of the free world. But back to CM, he is a very direct coach and says things the kids/parents do not want to hear about their own kids. But what he says when coaching is correct 99% of the time. He has taught my son more about the game then any other coach. And the college coaches tell my son he has a very high lacrosse IQ. So it surely work. And back to CM and this moral high ground we would like to take towards him. In a high school Head Coach setting I do and would hold my coaches to a very high standard. But in the travel setting they only spend time with the coach during practice, games and maybe 1 hour total between games. And when you talk to a Travel coach any other times not listed you are asking him a direct question about your play or a college option or coach. My overall point is, no travel coach is molding your son one way or other good or bad. [/quote]
So, no travel coach is molding your son one way or the other good or bad, but you attribute your son's lacrosse IQ to this travel coach? As long as this man of questionable character limits his time with your son to a couple of hours a week, you're good with it? Interesting perspective.

You complete ignore the point. He THREATENS people who dare decide that a different club is better for them. He has put in writing that he instructed his players to hurt a kid, and told the parents he would do anything he could to blackball their son.

You defend that?

He is a child. There are a lot of clubs now that offer a better experience.

I think his actions have cost him with regard to depth on his rosters but not in his pocketbook. There just aren't enough choices inside the beltway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You complete ignore the point. He THREATENS people who dare decide that a different club is better for them. He has put in writing that he instructed his players to hurt a kid, and told the parents he would do anything he could to blackball their son.

You defend that?

He is a child. There are a lot of clubs now that offer a better experience.

Then shut the heck up about them and move the heck on!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You complete ignore the point. He THREATENS people who dare decide that a different club is better for them. He has put in writing that he instructed his players to hurt a kid, and told the parents he would do anything he could to blackball their son.

You defend that?

He is a child. There are a lot of clubs now that offer a better experience.

Then shut the heck up about them and move the heck on!

Although profoundly worse, is that what the victims of Larry Nassar should have done or the canadian junior hockey scandal or any number of abusive situations? He should remove himself from all sideline coaching. Maybe one day he'll end up like Giblin but not in the near future.

http://www.aappublications.org/news/2018/02/23/coaches022318

Once again he has been on the sidelines for 20 years and has 4 kids now. Everyone on here knows how kids change you. He was in a fight with a guy he thought was his friend and felt stabbed him in the back. He messed up we all agree. But he never hit anyone and no one got hurt in the game or really any game. Heck most people complain that the Madlax kids are too soft and need to hit more.

He is a donk on the sideline to this day and continues to email and denigrate families who leave. Try reading what other people have been posting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is a donk on the sideline to this day and continues to email and denigrate families who leave. Try reading what other people have been posting.

+1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is a donk on the sideline to this day and continues to email and denigrate families who leave. Try reading what other people have been posting.

+1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think his actions have cost him with regard to depth on his rosters but not in his pocketbook. There just aren't enough choices inside the beltway.

Depth is down. At his peak, he had a Capital team and tried to actually have a MD B team and a VA B team. Now he is struggling to field a B team and some of the B teams span multiple years now.

His greed knows no bounds. He even charges people hundreds of dollars to help with recruiting, something other clubs do for free.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is a donk on the sideline to this day and continues to email and denigrate families who leave. Try reading what other people have been posting.

+1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think his actions have cost him with regard to depth on his rosters but not in his pocketbook. There just aren't enough choices inside the beltway.

Depth is down. At his peak, he had a Capital team and tried to actually have a MD B team and a VA B team. Now he is struggling to field a B team and some of the B teams span multiple years now.

His greed knows no bounds. He even charges people hundreds of dollars to help with recruiting, something other clubs do for free.

I will give you they need to drop the DMV teams. But this is more because the total number of clubs has tripled more then anything they did or did not do. The Cap teams at all ages are good to great. This is all you can ask of a club. And if you are scared of a email asking why you left a club, life must be a scary place for you. And when you guys love to talk about cost, no one will ever break down the other top clubs fees and what you get for the fees. I have said this before if you are paying for travel lacrosse for any of these teams you are paying a lot of money and you a just looking for a way to bash Madlax if you are talking about $500 more for Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is a donk on the sideline to this day and continues to email and denigrate families who leave. Try reading what other people have been posting.

+1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think his actions have cost him with regard to depth on his rosters but not in his pocketbook. There just aren't enough choices inside the beltway.

Depth is down. At his peak, he had a Capital team and tried to actually have a MD B team and a VA B team. Now he is struggling to field a B team and some of the B teams span multiple years now.

His greed knows no bounds. He even charges people hundreds of dollars to help with recruiting, something other clubs do for free.

I will give you they need to drop the DMV teams. But this is more because the total number of clubs has tripled more then anything they did or did not do. The Cap teams at all ages are good to great. This is all you can ask of a club. And if you are scared of a email asking why you left a club, life must be a scary place for you. And when you guys love to talk about cost, no one will ever break down the other top clubs fees and what you get for the fees. I have said this before if you are paying for travel lacrosse for any of these teams you are paying a lot of money and you a just looking for a way to bash Madlax if you are talking about $500 more for Madlax.

DMV players pay the same as Capital players. However looking at the teams you are correct, most are combined age groups. I think the DMV team parents are leaving Madlax but they will hang on to those teams as long as they can. Revenue is revenue as long as they have a valid credit card at registration. I think kids on the DMV teams are better off playing rec anyway or find a club of equal talent as they seem to never move kids up to the capital teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is a donk on the sideline to this day and continues to email and denigrate families who leave. Try reading what other people have been posting.

+1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think his actions have cost him with regard to depth on his rosters but not in his pocketbook. There just aren't enough choices inside the beltway.

Depth is down. At his peak, he had a Capital team and tried to actually have a MD B team and a VA B team. Now he is struggling to field a B team and some of the B teams span multiple years now.

His greed knows no bounds. He even charges people hundreds of dollars to help with recruiting, something other clubs do for free.

I will give you they need to drop the DMV teams. But this is more because the total number of clubs has tripled more then anything they did or did not do. The Cap teams at all ages are good to great. This is all you can ask of a club. And if you are scared of a email asking why you left a club, life must be a scary place for you. And when you guys love to talk about cost, no one will ever break down the other top clubs fees and what you get for the fees. I have said this before if you are paying for travel lacrosse for any of these teams you are paying a lot of money and you a just looking for a way to bash Madlax if you are talking about $500 more for Madlax.

DMV players pay the same as Capital players. However looking at the teams you are correct, most are combined age groups. I think the DMV team parents are leaving Madlax but they will hang on to those teams as long as they can. Revenue is revenue as long as they have a valid credit card at registration. I think kids on the DMV teams are better off playing rec anyway or find a club of equal talent as they seem to never move kids up to the capital teams.

I would agree with most of this. I would argue that there have been several kids moved from DMV to Cap. But these kids only spent 1 season or 1 year on DMV teams. So my advice would be play a season or full year at DMV then find another club if you are not moved up to a Cap team. The advantage of playing DMV over some of these other Low A or B clubs is the amount of tournaments and the practice time with the Cap players. But the down side is the money you pay. Its more then these other A clubs. But I would argue the money is really not that much more.

Madlax is a lot more than most except for 3d, which is falling apart. Nobody is scared of the email - they are repulsed by it. For every Madlax family willing to swallow their dignity pay that guy, there are 4 four families who will have nothing to do with him.

Reading your posts is like watching a documentary about Stockholm syndrome.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is a lot more than most except for 3d, which is falling apart. Nobody is scared of the email - they are repulsed by it. For every Madlax family willing to swallow their dignity pay that guy, there are 4 four families who will have nothing to do with him.

Reading your posts is like watching a documentary about Stockholm syndrome.

Reading your post makes me wonder what happen in your life to make you think you need to save other full grown adults? Our boys are not playing for Satin. He might not be a Angel, but you trying to make playing for Madlax the same as joining a evil cult. So it is really hard for me not to respond to your over the top posts. And once again please list the total cost for VLC, BW, Next Level, and throw in some more if you like. Make sure you say how many practices and how many tournaments this cost gets you. But you will not or can not do it.

BW and VLC are far less than Madlax. Not even close. And the recruiting success of all 3 is comparable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BW and VLC are far less than Madlax. Not even close. And the recruiting success of all 3 is comparable.

OK sir please put a number down on paper for each club. Then say what you get for that money you spent. Number of practices and number of tournaments?
I would agree the number is less for these two clubs but what do you get for the money? What is the cost of one tournemant? My guess $250 to $400 so if one club plays in 4 and one club plays in 3 you have to agree you should be paying at least $300 more for the club that plays 4. How much $ value do you put on a practice. I would guess $30. So if one club has 10 more practices that club should cost $300 more correct? So my over reaching point is yes the total number is higher with Madlax but after you add these two factors into the math they are a on par with the others. And my other point if you are counting pennies and you want your son to play top level travel lacrosse you are in the wrong place. Sorry.

To me, it’s less about the cost than what my son gets in return. I’d gladly pay more if the club actually kept the team at the smaller end and kept him engaged with plenty of practices and tournaments. Call me cynical but I think all the clubs generally benchmark each other on price and most of the differences result from discretionary variables such as how many kids the club wants per team, number of weekly practices, number of tournaments, etc. They’re all businesses folks - don’t be fooled that they’re more than that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BW and VLC are far less than Madlax. Not even close. And the recruiting success of all 3 is comparable.

OK sir please put a number down on paper for each club. Then say what you get for that money you spent. Number of practices and number of tournaments?
I would agree the number is less for these two clubs but what do you get for the money? What is the cost of one tournemant? My guess $250 to $400 so if one club plays in 4 and one club plays in 3 you have to agree you should be paying at least $300 more for the club that plays 4. How much $ value do you put on a practice. I would guess $30. So if one club has 10 more practices that club should cost $300 more correct? So my over reaching point is yes the total number is higher with Madlax but after you add these two factors into the math they are a on par with the others. And my other point if you are counting pennies and you want your son to play top level travel lacrosse you are in the wrong place. Sorry.

summer tourneys range from 1800 to 3000 per team

I think the point about variables and benchmarking is fair. To the larger point, it’s worth it, with whatever team, if it helps your boy get better and he likes playing. Period. Mine does, and he doesn’t play for MLax. I do get the argument about DMV but again parents and kids can decide whether the value proposition is worth it (I know people on different sides of the divide). We play against ML Cap, kids are great, parents are nice, and I hear less yelling from the coaches box than this thread would suggest. Good program; they all have flaws.

For youth lacrosse (fall, spring, summer) - it's about 2K less per kid annually than Madlax. The Madlax economics are hilariously beneficial to the owner (I don't think the coaches are getting rich) - BOTH high cost$ and high roster count$. Yes, the Capital teams are very good with 25+ players. While folks vote w/ their feet, I don't envy the DMV families who are getting fleeced as their players aren't getting good outcomes that good coaching and competition can provide.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BW and VLC are far less than Madlax. Not even close. And the recruiting success of all 3 is comparable.

OK sir please put a number down on paper for each club. Then say what you get for that money you spent. Number of practices and number of tournaments?
I would agree the number is less for these two clubs but what do you get for the money? What is the cost of one tournemant? My guess $250 to $400 so if one club plays in 4 and one club plays in 3 you have to agree you should be paying at least $300 more for the club that plays 4. How much $ value do you put on a practice. I would guess $30. So if one club has 10 more practices that club should cost $300 more correct? So my over reaching point is yes the total number is higher with Madlax but after you add these two factors into the math they are a on par with the others. And my other point if you are counting pennies and you want your son to play top level travel lacrosse you are in the wrong place. Sorry.

summer tourneys range from 1800 to 3000 per team

First time posting here, it's about 2K less for youth players (fall, spring, summer) vs Madlax. 2 practices week, 3-4 fall tournys, 4 spring/summer tournys. Can you share how the reps Madlax players get in practice w/ 25+ kid rosters and how much game time they actually get (not counting the last 2 Madlax fall tourny's that were washed out playing on known crappy fields)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BW and VLC are far less than Madlax. Not even close. And the recruiting success of all 3 is comparable.

OK sir please put a number down on paper for each club. Then say what you get for that money you spent. Number of practices and number of tournaments?
I would agree the number is less for these two clubs but what do you get for the money? What is the cost of one tournemant? My guess $250 to $400 so if one club plays in 4 and one club plays in 3 you have to agree you should be paying at least $300 more for the club that plays 4. How much $ value do you put on a practice. I would guess $30. So if one club has 10 more practices that club should cost $300 more correct? So my over reaching point is yes the total number is higher with Madlax but after you add these two factors into the math they are a on par with the others. And my other point if you are counting pennies and you want your son to play top level travel lacrosse you are in the wrong place. Sorry.

summer tourneys range from 1800 to 3000 per team

First time posting here, it's about 2K less for youth players (fall, spring, summer) vs Madlax. 2 practices week, 3-4 fall tournys, 4 spring/summer tournys. Can you share how the reps Madlax players get in practice w/ 25+ kid rosters and how much game time they actually get (not counting the last 2 Madlax fall tourny's that were washed out playing on known crappy fields)

Once again you do not get to try and call out Madlax for what they give or do not give until you give another clubs details to this level you have on Madlax. Madlax has all the info on the website to be seen and read. Anyone who is surprised with any cost or amount of anything you are just to lazy to read the whole website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BW and VLC are far less than Madlax. Not even close. And the recruiting success of all 3 is comparable.

OK sir please put a number down on paper for each club. Then say what you get for that money you spent. Number of practices and number of tournaments?
I would agree the number is less for these two clubs but what do you get for the money? What is the cost of one tournemant? My guess $250 to $400 so if one club plays in 4 and one club plays in 3 you have to agree you should be paying at least $300 more for the club that plays 4. How much $ value do you put on a practice. I would guess $30. So if one club has 10 more practices that club should cost $300 more correct? So my over reaching point is yes the total number is higher with Madlax but after you add these two factors into the math they are a on par with the others. And my other point if you are counting pennies and you want your son to play top level travel lacrosse you are in the wrong place. Sorry.

summer tourneys range from 1800 to 3000 per team

First time posting here, it's about 2K less for youth players (fall, spring, summer) vs Madlax. 2 practices week, 3-4 fall tournys, 4 spring/summer tournys. Can you share how the reps Madlax players get in practice w/ 25+ kid rosters and how much game time they actually get (not counting the last 2 Madlax fall tourny's that were washed out playing on known crappy fields)

Once again you do not get to try and call out Madlax for what they give or do not give until you give another clubs details to this level you have on Madlax. Madlax has all the info on the website to be seen and read. Anyone who is surprised with any cost or amount of anything you are just to lazy to read the whole website.

Summer dues for MadLax for 2028/29 = $950
Summer dues for Next Level 2028/2029 = $400

The pricing difference is about the same as the years progress and NL practices once a week for 2 hours and participates in the same tournaments.

Madlax charges a ton for teams with 26+ players, lousy coaching and an owner that will eventually threatens you. There's a reason why the club is losing players left and right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax charges a ton for teams with 26+ players, lousy coaching and an owner that will eventually threatens you. There's a reason why the club is losing players left and right.

Many Madlax parents, especially those spending over 30K on private school do not care about the cost. However, if you are a Madlax parent who does care about cost you really do not want to know what VLC and Blackwolf charge because it is a S-Ton less.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax charges a ton for teams with 26+ players, lousy coaching and an owner that will eventually threatens you. There's a reason why the club is losing players left and right.

Many Madlax parents, especially those spending over 30K on private school do not care about the cost. However, if you are a Madlax parent who does care about cost you really do not want to know what VLC and Blackwolf charge because it is a S-Ton less.

SO lets stop talking in guess how much land. Please post what VLC cost for a year and what it gets you and what Blackwolf cost and for sure with these guys tell us what you get from them for your money. I have never once said Madlax is cheaper then the others my point has always been its not what you guys make it out to be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax charges a ton for teams with 26+ players, lousy coaching and an owner that will eventually threatens you. There's a reason why the club is losing players left and right.

Many Madlax parents, especially those spending over 30K on private school do not care about the cost. However, if you are a Madlax parent who does care about cost you really do not want to know what VLC and Blackwolf charge because it is a S-Ton less.

SO lets stop talking in guess how much land. Please post what VLC cost for a year and what it gets you and what Blackwolf cost and for sure with these guys tell us what you get from them for your money. I have never once said Madlax is cheaper then the others my point has always been its not what you guys make it out to be.

This RN Madlax lover has been posting this same drivel for years.

Doesn't matter what it costs? The guy's a donkey and every parent has to justify their decision with their friends and family who care.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax charges a ton for teams with 26+ players, lousy coaching and an owner that will eventually threatens you. There's a reason why the club is losing players left and right.

Many Madlax parents, especially those spending over 30K on private school do not care about the cost. However, if you are a Madlax parent who does care about cost you really do not want to know what VLC and Blackwolf charge because it is a S-Ton less.

SO lets stop talking in guess how much land. Please post what VLC cost for a year and what it gets you and what Blackwolf cost and for sure with these guys tell us what you get from them for your money. I have never once said Madlax is cheaper then the others my point has always been its not what you guys make it out to be.

This RN Madlax lover has been posting this same drivel for years.

I will keep posting as long as you guys keep going out of your way to bash a club the does way more good then harm. This area needs and will always have 3 top clubs to meet the needs of these players. Madlax has been and will be one of the top 3 for another 20 years. Most people hear all the misplaced anger and say lets check this club out. They read the website and see the players in college list and the train keeps moving along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax charges a ton for teams with 26+ players, lousy coaching and an owner that will eventually threatens you. There's a reason why the club is losing players left and right.

Many Madlax parents, especially those spending over 30K on private school do not care about the cost. However, if you are a Madlax parent who does care about cost you really do not want to know what VLC and Blackwolf charge because it is a S-Ton less.

SO lets stop talking in guess how much land. Please post what VLC cost for a year and what it gets you and what Blackwolf cost and for sure with these guys tell us what you get from them for your money. I have never once said Madlax is cheaper then the others my point has always been its not what you guys make it out to be.

This RN Madlax lover has been posting this same drivel for years.

I will keep posting as long as you guys keep going out of your way to bash a club the does way more good then harm. This area needs and will always have 3 top clubs to meet the needs of these players. Madlax has been and will be one of the top 3 for another 20 years. Most people hear all the misplaced anger and say lets check this club out. They read the website and see the players in college list and the train keeps moving along.

The part about 3 clubs in or around the beltway I agree with. The area could actually stand a 4th since NL, ML and BLC have multiple travel teams on many ages.

yes

US Club Lacrosse Ranks 2024 Team 91 Long Island Wolfpack #1.

That’s in addition to Inside Lacrosse magazines #1 13U Ranking (you know, the age kids are suppose to be in 7th grade).

It’s official.

* * * 91 Wolfpack indisputable KING of 2024 lacrosse. * * *

By the way. Wolfpack has not one holdback. Not a single one! NEVER HAS!

So your Madlax team of 2023-age players, continues to play second fiddle to a team that is at minimum a year younger and at maximum, two years younger.

Just thought you’d want to know.

Madlax 2024 destroys everyone. If you are paying attention to that notIntelligent US Lax list (which is owned by a Team 91 guy), you need your head examined.

Good Evening Madlax land,

Just here to pass along some important lacrosse information...

Team 91 - Long Island - WOLFPACK is officially STILL... THE KING OF 2024 LACROSSE.

* Inside Lacrosse Magazine: #1 World Ranking for 13U
* US Club Lacrosse: #1 Ranking for Grad Year 2024

In case you were wondering, Wolfpack is, and always has been, 100% holdback-free. No hold backs now or ever. And the best 2024 team anywhere, no matter if they are playing 2023-age players (with a 2022 or two thrown in)... like Madlax, or other on-age 2024 teams', from Long Island.

Madlax DC. King of the Holdback cheater teams, with more holdbacks than any other team, has always played second fiddle to the team from Long Island, which is at minimum a year younger. Most of the kids on the Pack are still 12 years old, while most of the players on Madlax are 14+.

Explain that, how a team that is SOOOOOOOOOOO much older can be dominated by one team, since it's inception in 2nd grade.

~Sal from Long Island

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good Evening Madlax land,

Just here to pass along some important lacrosse information...

Team 91 - Long Island - WOLFPACK is officially STILL... THE KING OF 2024 LACROSSE.

* Inside Lacrosse Magazine: #1 World Ranking for 13U
* US Club Lacrosse: #1 Ranking for Grad Year 2024

In case you were wondering, Wolfpack is, and always has been, 100% holdback-free. No hold backs now or ever. And the best 2024 team anywhere, no matter if they are playing 2023-age players (with a 2022 or two thrown in)... like Madlax, or other on-age 2024 teams', from Long Island.

Madlax DC. King of the Holdback cheater teams, with more holdbacks than any other team, has always played second fiddle to the team from Long Island, which is at minimum a year younger. Most of the kids on the Pack are still 12 years old, while most of the players on Madlax are 14+.

Explain that, how a team that is SOOOOOOOOOOO much older can be dominated by one team, since it's inception in 2nd grade.

~Sal from Long Island

Little Sal, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You never have and never will, but yet you keep posting inaccurate things that keeps proving how much you don't know.
See ya little Sal, can't really say it has been nice hearing from you again, mainly because most don't want to hear your untrue dribble. Enjoy the rest of your day and please keep in mind the real meaning of Memorial Day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good Evening Madlax land,

Just here to pass along some important lacrosse information...

Team 91 - Long Island - WOLFPACK is officially STILL... THE KING OF 2024 LACROSSE.

* Inside Lacrosse Magazine: #1 World Ranking for 13U
* US Club Lacrosse: #1 Ranking for Grad Year 2024

In case you were wondering, Wolfpack is, and always has been, 100% holdback-free. No hold backs now or ever. And the best 2024 team anywhere, no matter if they are playing 2023-age players (with a 2022 or two thrown in)... like Madlax, or other on-age 2024 teams', from Long Island.

Madlax DC. King of the Holdback cheater teams, with more holdbacks than any other team, has always played second fiddle to the team from Long Island, which is at minimum a year younger. Most of the kids on the Pack are still 12 years old, while most of the players on Madlax are 14+.

Explain that, how a team that is SOOOOOOOOOOO much older can be dominated by one team, since it's inception in 2nd grade.

~Sal from Long Island

Little Sal, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You never have and never will, but yet you keep posting inaccurate things that keeps proving how much you don't know.
See ya little Sal, can't really say it has been nice hearing from you again, mainly because most don't want to hear your untrue dribble. Enjoy the rest of your day and please keep in mind the real meaning of Memorial Day.

after wolfpack gets drilled this year in NLF you will see 91 wolfpack load up on the holdbacks sal from long island. lil jonnys days are numbered. just a fact because at the end of the day success = $$$$$$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good Evening Madlax land,

Just here to pass along some important lacrosse information...

Team 91 - Long Island - WOLFPACK is officially STILL... THE KING OF 2024 LACROSSE.

* Inside Lacrosse Magazine: #1 World Ranking for 13U
* US Club Lacrosse: #1 Ranking for Grad Year 2024

In case you were wondering, Wolfpack is, and always has been, 100% holdback-free. No hold backs now or ever. And the best 2024 team anywhere, no matter if they are playing 2023-age players (with a 2022 or two thrown in)... like Madlax, or other on-age 2024 teams', from Long Island.

Madlax DC. King of the Holdback cheater teams, with more holdbacks than any other team, has always played second fiddle to the team from Long Island, which is at minimum a year younger. Most of the kids on the Pack are still 12 years old, while most of the players on Madlax are 14+.

Explain that, how a team that is SOOOOOOOOOOO much older can be dominated by one team, since it's inception in 2nd grade.

~Sal from Long Island

Little Sal, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You never have and never will, but yet you keep posting inaccurate things that keeps proving how much you don't know.
See ya little Sal, can't really say it has been nice hearing from you again, mainly because most don't want to hear your untrue dribble. Enjoy the rest of your day and please keep in mind the real meaning of Memorial Day.

after wolfpack gets drilled this year in NLF you will see 91 wolfpack load up on the holdbacks sal from long island. lil jonnys days are numbered. just a fact because at the end of the day success = $$$$$$

You got this backwards. Wolfpack is the best team in the land, and as such they are the benchmark. The model to be emulated.

People said Wolfpack can’t compete and win in the WSYL without bringing in outside 2023 ringers. Well, no 2023 ringers for Wolfpack, but they do have a #1 World ranking and destroyed all teams at the North Qualifier, which is by far the best region.

Then people said that Wolfpack can’t compete against the cheater holdback teams like Madlax, without stockpiling holdbacks, like Madlax does. Well, still no holdbacks for Wolfpack, but they compete and win against top 2023 “A” teams, and they are the #1 ranked 2024 team, to include cheater teams such as Madlax.

So based on actual facts, your lame jealous words come up pretty empty, don’t you think?

I have some “words” for you. Why isn’t your 2023 age cheater team a whole lot better than what it is? Seriously, with a year+ advantage, especially at this age, you guys are not good.

You either need to find better holdbacks, or maybe, just maybe... try foregoing the age/size/cheating factor and just simply play... the best lacrosse players, even if that means they are a year or two younger and far smaller than your holdbacks.

Just a thought. But knowing Madlax’s we’ll earned reputation as THE-bottom feeder in youth lacrosse, Madlax will stick with the cheating model, since that’s all they know.

Sal = Taz parent, FK, posing as WP parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sal = Taz parent, FK, posing as WP parent.

no one is psing as a WP parent keep TAz out of your Stupidity. No ones cares about the WP. enough already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sal = Taz parent, FK, posing as WP parent.

That is def. a WP parent.. Dont try to get other teams involved . YOU act like a child.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sal = Taz parent, FK, posing as WP parent.

That is def. a WP parent.. Dont try to get other teams involved . YOU act like a child.

The posts are coming from wading river.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sal = Taz parent, FK, posing as WP parent.

That is def. a WP parent.. Dont try to get other teams involved . YOU act like a child.

The posts are coming from wading river.

Definitely a Taz parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sal = Taz parent, FK, posing as WP parent.

That is def. a WP parent.. Dont try to get other teams involved . YOU act like a child.

The posts are coming from wading river.

Definitely a Taz parent.

If posts are coming from wading river then you can bet your last dollar that it is 91's queen bee. she use to be a taz parent but now runs the asylum on wolfpack and soon to take over smash.

How about MadLax entering a 2025/2026 team in the 2026 lower division and then getting caught and having to forfeit the first round of the playoffs. The other coach protested after the game and the refs quietly asked a few kids what grade they were. The MadLax kids answered honestly and the forfeit happened.

Great job Cabell and parents. Way to keep the insane reputation of the club alive. This and the three 16 year olds playing for 2023.

Most of the posts coming from PT place in WR.

does mighty madlax play in the NLF series? if no why not?

What do people think about Cabell Maddux tagging and bullying a kid this morning on his @gomadlax instagram feed? Somebody please send to Deadspin. People need to know that he has not changed. MadLax Deadspin Article
You would think he would have learned his lesson by now. If you play, allow your kid to play, coach, or in anyone way support his program, you need to take a step back and ask yourself whether you want your reputation or your family's reputation associated with this guy. He is dangerous and you should not allow him to be around your kids.

Do you have a link to show the post on their IG account? We only see a post about a player committing to a college....

I just looked and didn’t see it either. What did it say?

I think Cabell responded to a Landon kid posting his fall football highlights saying he didn't realize he was playing {football} and it sounded positive - anyone see anything different?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do people think about Cabell Maddux tagging and bullying a kid this morning on his @gomadlax instagram feed? Somebody please send to Deadspin. People need to know that he has not changed. MadLax Deadspin Article
You would think he would have learned his lesson by now. If you play, allow your kid to play, coach, or in anyone way support his program, you need to take a step back and ask yourself whether you want your reputation or your family's reputation associated with this guy. He is dangerous and you should not allow him to be around your kids.

does anyone know what the connection is between ml and @USCL? seems like they are in cahoots these days. saw that @USCL was on the post. must be some $ going back and forth. if i was @USCL i would not want to be associated with ml.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do people think about Cabell Maddux tagging and bullying a kid this morning on his @gomadlax instagram feed? Somebody please send to Deadspin. People need to know that he has not changed. MadLax Deadspin Article
You would think he would have learned his lesson by now. If you play, allow your kid to play, coach, or in anyone way support his program, you need to take a step back and ask yourself whether you want your reputation or your family's reputation associated with this guy. He is dangerous and you should not allow him to be around your kids.

Nothing there that I can see ?? Are you still upset about not making MadLax or is there something actually there ?? If you say there is,, Quote it, instead of sounding like a little girl whose feelings got hurt years ago,

I am not a fan of Cabell, but this feels like somebody trying to stir the pot. What’s wrong with saying he didn’t know the boy was playing football? Does anybody know any further info about this?

It has nothing to do with a boy playing football. Madlax posted in their story a picture of the player who moved teams this offseason and was beaten by Madlax on Sunday at the Battle of the Bay boasting about their win while tagging the boy the publicly shame him to their 3K+ followers. It was removed several hours later but as with the web it never goes away. It is not appropriate for an adult to do that to a teenager and just shows the pettiness of Cabell. He needs to learn to win with grace and be humble in defeat. I hope his current and potential players and families saw this and realize their kid could be next. It is very obvious he has not learned a thing since his "Ungrateful Quiter" article.

So the MadLax piece about their win contained a photo of an opposing player who used to play for MadLax? That sounds a little bit tacky on the part of MadLax but fairly mild and nothing like the ungrateful quitter fiasco. Either I am missing some layer to this story or is somebody being over sensitive?

You are right posting the pic no big deal. Juvenile and lame but to then tag the player for everyone to see his personal Instagram is meant to intimidate and embarrass. It invites young kids who know no better than to send hateful messages. It makes a point to current families that this is what happens should you leave. Kids move from club to club, HS to HS, and College to College all the time. I have never seen a Club Director, HS Coach etc go to these lengths. It speaks volumes to how petty Cabell is and how he is not a role model for your kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are right posting the pic no big deal. Juvenile and lame but to then tag the player for everyone to see his personal Instagram is meant to intimidate and embarrass. It invites young kids who know no better than to send hateful messages. It makes a point to current families that this is what happens should you leave. Kids move from club to club, HS to HS, and College to College all the time. I have never seen a Club Director, HS Coach etc go to these lengths. It speaks volumes to how petty Cabell is and how he is not a role model for your kids.

Arrested and kicked out of Hobart for anger management issues and forced to seek counseling.
Fired from McLean High School for allowing underage drinking by his players.
Fired from St. John's for kicking a player.
Fired from Potomac for threatening an 8th grade Potomac student for switching clubs.
Sent the following email to an 8th grade Landon student for switching clubs: "Hey ungrateful quitter....Your former teammates and coaches, who detest you now, can't wait to get a piece of you Saturday when we play vlc."
Creates an IG story bullying 8th grader that switched clubs.
Do you see a pattern here?
Is this the type of person that you want as a role model for your kid?
By partaking in his program, you are only condoning his behavior and sending a terrible message to your kid that this is acceptable behavior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are right posting the pic no big deal. Juvenile and lame but to then tag the player for everyone to see his personal Instagram is meant to intimidate and embarrass. It invites young kids who know no better than to send hateful messages. It makes a point to current families that this is what happens should you leave. Kids move from club to club, HS to HS, and College to College all the time. I have never seen a Club Director, HS Coach etc go to these lengths. It speaks volumes to how petty Cabell is and how he is not a role model for your kids.

Arrested and kicked out of Hobart for anger management issues and forced to seek counseling.
Fired from McLean High School for allowing underage drinking by his players.
Fired from St. John's for kicking a player.
Fired from Potomac for threatening an 8th grade Potomac student for switching clubs.
Sent the following email to an 8th grade Landon student for switching clubs: "Hey ungrateful quitter....Your former teammates and coaches, who detest you now, can't wait to get a piece of you Saturday when we play vlc."
Creates an IG story bullying 8th grader that switched clubs.
Do you see a pattern here?
Is this the type of person that you want as a role model for your kid?
By partaking in his program, you are only condoning his behavior and sending a terrible message to your kid that this is acceptable behavior.

Wow, great guy, huh!?! Quite a track record. All those Madlax parents must be proud that this is who they are giving their money to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are right posting the pic no big deal. Juvenile and lame but to then tag the player for everyone to see his personal Instagram is meant to intimidate and embarrass. It invites young kids who know no better than to send hateful messages. It makes a point to current families that this is what happens should you leave. Kids move from club to club, HS to HS, and College to College all the time. I have never seen a Club Director, HS Coach etc go to these lengths. It speaks volumes to how petty Cabell is and how he is not a role model for your kids.

Arrested and kicked out of Hobart for anger management issues and forced to seek counseling.
Fired from McLean High School for allowing underage drinking by his players.
Fired from St. John's for kicking a player.
Fired from Potomac for threatening an 8th grade Potomac student for switching clubs.
Sent the following email to an 8th grade Landon student for switching clubs: "Hey ungrateful quitter....Your former teammates and coaches, who detest you now, can't wait to get a piece of you Saturday when we play vlc."
Creates an IG story bullying 8th grader that switched clubs.
Do you see a pattern here?
Is this the type of person that you want as a role model for your kid?
By partaking in his program, you are only condoning his behavior and sending a terrible message to your kid that this is acceptable behavior.

Wow, great guy, huh!?! Quite a track record. All those Madlax parents must be proud that this is who they are giving their money to.

Ok guys you are winning you will get your way soon. DC Express is going to push Madlax off the Map. You might just have to wait for this 2024 to to Graduate but you will soon have Madlax out of your lives for good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are right posting the pic no big deal. Juvenile and lame but to then tag the player for everyone to see his personal Instagram is meant to intimidate and embarrass. It invites young kids who know no better than to send hateful messages. It makes a point to current families that this is what happens should you leave. Kids move from club to club, HS to HS, and College to College all the time. I have never seen a Club Director, HS Coach etc go to these lengths. It speaks volumes to how petty Cabell is and how he is not a role model for your kids.

Arrested and kicked out of Hobart for anger management issues and forced to seek counseling.
Fired from McLean High School for allowing underage drinking by his players.
Fired from St. John's for kicking a player.
Fired from Potomac for threatening an 8th grade Potomac student for switching clubs.
Sent the following email to an 8th grade Landon student for switching clubs: "Hey ungrateful quitter....Your former teammates and coaches, who detest you now, can't wait to get a piece of you Saturday when we play vlc."
Creates an IG story bullying 8th grader that switched clubs.
Do you see a pattern here?
Is this the type of person that you want as a role model for your kid?
By partaking in his program, you are only condoning his behavior and sending a terrible message to your kid that this is acceptable behavior.

Wow, great guy, huh!?! Quite a track record. All those Madlax parents must be proud that this is who they are giving their money to.

Funny thing is that the Blackwolf guy's track record is even worse. The only thing that keeps parents from signing up for these programs is when the talented kids stop trying out for the team and move to other teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are right posting the pic no big deal. Juvenile and lame but to then tag the player for everyone to see his personal Instagram is meant to intimidate and embarrass. It invites young kids who know no better than to send hateful messages. It makes a point to current families that this is what happens should you leave. Kids move from club to club, HS to HS, and College to College all the time. I have never seen a Club Director, HS Coach etc go to these lengths. It speaks volumes to how petty Cabell is and how he is not a role model for your kids.

Arrested and kicked out of Hobart for anger management issues and forced to seek counseling.
Fired from McLean High School for allowing underage drinking by his players.
Fired from St. John's for kicking a player.
Fired from Potomac for threatening an 8th grade Potomac student for switching clubs.
Sent the following email to an 8th grade Landon student for switching clubs: "Hey ungrateful quitter....Your former teammates and coaches, who detest you now, can't wait to get a piece of you Saturday when we play vlc."
Creates an IG story bullying 8th grader that switched clubs.
Do you see a pattern here?
Is this the type of person that you want as a role model for your kid?
By partaking in his program, you are only condoning his behavior and sending a terrible message to your kid that this is acceptable behavior.

Wow, great guy, huh!?! Quite a track record. All those Madlax parents must be proud that this is who they are giving their money to.

point on the doll where Madlax hurt you

Madlax parent here. It was immature, in poor taste, and it crossed the line. I don't condone Cabell's actions and I am sure that other Madlax parents feel the same way. That is not the type of program that we want to be. We all make mistakes. Cabell is a passionate coach and it sometimes clouds his judgment. But overall, he means well. I am sure that it is part of the reason that he took it down. I don't know whether Cabell will ever apologize, but I want to say that I am sorry it happened, and I hope that it never happens again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are right posting the pic no big deal. Juvenile and lame but to then tag the player for everyone to see his personal Instagram is meant to intimidate and embarrass. It invites young kids who know no better than to send hateful messages. It makes a point to current families that this is what happens should you leave. Kids move from club to club, HS to HS, and College to College all the time. I have never seen a Club Director, HS Coach etc go to these lengths. It speaks volumes to how petty Cabell is and how he is not a role model for your kids.

Arrested and kicked out of Hobart for anger management issues and forced to seek counseling.
Fired from McLean High School for allowing underage drinking by his players.
Fired from St. John's for kicking a player.
Fired from Potomac for threatening an 8th grade Potomac student for switching clubs.
Sent the following email to an 8th grade Landon student for switching clubs: "Hey ungrateful quitter....Your former teammates and coaches, who detest you now, can't wait to get a piece of you Saturday when we play vlc."
Creates an IG story bullying 8th grader that switched clubs.
Do you see a pattern here?
Is this the type of person that you want as a role model for your kid?
By partaking in his program, you are only condoning his behavior and sending a terrible message to your kid that this is acceptable behavior.

Wow, great guy, huh!?! Quite a track record. All those Madlax parents must be proud that this is who they are giving their money to.

Ok guys you are winning you will get your way soon. DC Express is going to push Madlax off the Map. You might just have to wait for this 2024 to to Graduate but you will soon have Madlax out of your lives for good.

He's not going anywhere and has more interest than just 2024.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are right posting the pic no big deal. Juvenile and lame but to then tag the player for everyone to see his personal Instagram is meant to intimidate and embarrass. It invites young kids who know no better than to send hateful messages. It makes a point to current families that this is what happens should you leave. Kids move from club to club, HS to HS, and College to College all the time. I have never seen a Club Director, HS Coach etc go to these lengths. It speaks volumes to how petty Cabell is and how he is not a role model for your kids.

Arrested and kicked out of Hobart for anger management issues and forced to seek counseling.
Fired from McLean High School for allowing underage drinking by his players.
Fired from St. John's for kicking a player.
Fired from Potomac for threatening an 8th grade Potomac student for switching clubs.
Sent the following email to an 8th grade Landon student for switching clubs: "Hey ungrateful quitter....Your former teammates and coaches, who detest you now, can't wait to get a piece of you Saturday when we play vlc."
Creates an IG story bullying 8th grader that switched clubs.
Do you see a pattern here?
Is this the type of person that you want as a role model for your kid?
By partaking in his program, you are only condoning his behavior and sending a terrible message to your kid that this is acceptable behavior.

What did CM do to get kicked out of Hobart?

whats the deal with the madlax 2027 team at summer exposure? 2 weeks before that they were getting blown out at bay bridge then 2 weeks later at summer exposure there are twice as mamy kids on the team blowing everyone out in the "b" division. Are these two different teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whats the deal with the madlax 2027 team at summer exposure? 2 weeks before that they were getting blown out at bay bridge then 2 weeks later at summer exposure there are twice as mamy kids on the team blowing everyone out in the "b" division. Are these two different teams?

Typical Madlax! Dropping kids down from cap or 2026 because a win in the B division is more important than developing players

Yes, there are two MadLax 2027 teams, Capital is the stronger team and plays in the top division in Hoco and tournaments, and DMV is the weaker team. The 2027 DMV team is actually a hybrid of 2027 and 2028 B level players, so it’s not surprising they were beaten badly in 2027 B divisions earlier in the summer. For summer exposure, the DMV team did not have enough players, so an email went out to Capital families asking for volunteers. Capital was not playing in that event so nobody played for two teams in the same tournament; any Capital player who wanted extra time and whose parents did not mind the 8 am start were welcome to suit up. Depending on which Capital players played, which I don’t know because my son did not take up the offer, maybe the team was too good for 2027 B (the lowest division of three) and could/should have played 2027 A (the intermediate division) instead. But, it was not known in advance which Capital players would volunteer to play, and it was probably too late to bump to another division. I checked the scores and they were not exactly blowouts. The Saturday games were 6-7 goal margins and the two Sunday games were both by one goal. Hope this helps.

How did the Monuments tryout go with regard to number of players trying out for each team; how many other clubs were represented; ...?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax parent here. It was immature, in poor taste, and it crossed the line. I don't condone Cabell's actions and I am sure that other Madlax parents feel the same way. That is not the type of program that we want to be. We all make mistakes. Cabell is a passionate coach and it sometimes clouds his judgment. But overall, he means well. I am sure that it is part of the reason that he took it down. I don't know whether Cabell will ever apologize, but I want to say that I am sorry it happened, and I hope that it never happens again.

Sometimes? He knew exactly what he was doing by making that post. It doesn’t matter that he took it down, the damage was done. I have lost respect for every parent who chooses to pay money to play for him. You are condoning his history of actions by filling his pockets, and he will not stop the behavior because of it. Well done, parents. Keep talking trash about him, but you are the reason he is still out there doing what he does.

This episode is over a year old and was never that big of a deal. If you know of a program that you think is perfect, go ahead and post its name, and I bet that plenty of people will hold a different opinion than yours. I am sorry if you had a bad experience in MadLax, but just go find another program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This episode is over a year old and was never that big of a deal. If you know of a program that you think is perfect, go ahead and post its name, and I bet that plenty of people will hold a different opinion than yours. I am sorry if you had a bad experience in MadLax, but just go find another program.

Stockholm syndrome

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This episode is over a year old and was never that big of a deal. If you know of a program that you think is perfect, go ahead and post its name, and I bet that plenty of people will hold a different opinion than yours. I am sorry if you had a bad experience in MadLax, but just go find another program.

Stockholm syndrome

No kidding and let's review again:
Bullying on IG
Personal emails attacking children and threatening their physical safety
Attempts to sabotage school admissions
Coaches getting fired for inappropriate behavior with the rosters
Multiple instances of roster cheating

I'm sure I missed more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This episode is over a year old and was never that big of a deal. If you know of a program that you think is perfect, go ahead and post its name, and I bet that plenty of people will hold a different opinion than yours. I am sorry if you had a bad experience in MadLax, but just go find another program.

Stockholm syndrome

No kidding and let's review again:
Bullying on IG
Personal emails attacking children and threatening their physical safety
Attempts to sabotage school admissions
Coaches getting fired for inappropriate behavior with the rosters
Multiple instances of roster cheating

I'm sure I missed more.

How often is there 'roster cheating' by clubs & which do the most?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This episode is over a year old and was never that big of a deal. If you know of a program that you think is perfect, go ahead and post its name, and I bet that plenty of people will hold a different opinion than yours. I am sorry if you had a bad experience in MadLax, but just go find another program.

Stockholm syndrome

No kidding and let's review again:
Bullying on IG
Personal emails attacking children and threatening their physical safety
Attempts to sabotage school admissions
Coaches getting fired for inappropriate behavior with the rosters
Multiple instances of roster cheating

I'm sure I missed more.

How often is there 'roster cheating' by clubs & which do the most?

The MadLax roster cheating that I am aware of has involved lower divisions, where MadLax plays its combined teams in the lower grade, rather than the upper grade like they are supposed to. For example, they will play a combined 2025/2026 B team in a 2026 B division, knowing that they would get killed if they played up in 2025 B. Shady behavior yes, but it does not affect the higher divisions that readers of this forum care about, such as HoCo Elite. I only know of one instance of roster cheating in an elite division, and that was by the Canadian team Evolve at Hershey in 2019. They had kids within their program running between games and playing for two different aged teams, and were DQ'd when parents of an opposing team (Team Maryland) saw it and turned them in. I do not think that roster cheating happens very often, but if anybody knows of another example(s) go ahead and share.

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The MadLax roster cheating that I am aware of has involved lower divisions, where MadLax plays its combined teams in the lower grade, rather than the upper grade like they are supposed to. For example, they will play a combined 2025/2026 B team in a 2026 B division, knowing that they would get killed if they played up in 2025 B. Shady behavior yes, but it does not affect the higher divisions that readers of this forum care about, such as HoCo Elite. I only know of one instance of roster cheating in an elite division, and that was by the Canadian team Evolve at Hershey in 2019. They had kids within their program running between games and playing for two different aged teams, and were DQ'd when parents of an opposing team (Team Maryland) saw it and turned them in. I do not think that roster cheating happens very often, but if anybody knows of another example(s) go ahead and share.[/quote]

Key phrase "that I am aware of..." Madlax also did the same thing at Hershey and recently double rostered players in a Fall 2020 tournament. That's 2 more and there are much more. Most area teams are keenly aware of how Madlax operates and openly ask questions at the start of games and question whether they are playing a registered roster.

The end of every Madlax defender sentence has something to do with college commits. Unfortunately, as you track their commits on their own web site the quality of those commits gets worse and worse. The 23's will boost it but that's only because that team was brought over by a defunct club.

Madlax has finally divided up their 2027 rosters on their web site showing which players are on Capital and DMV. Looks like several pre-existing ML players and some of the BLC players have left over the course of the Fall and Winter. \s\ Looks like those BLC and Mater Dei parents are really happy they made the choice to switch teams; have their kids be put on a B team and drop 2 divisions; and increased their fees and commuting times to jump clubs \s\. Did the kids leave lacrosse or go to other clubs.?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has finally divided up their 2027 rosters on their web site showing which players are on Capital and DMV. Looks like several pre-existing ML players and some of the BLC players have left over the course of the Fall and Winter. \s\ Looks like those BLC and Mater Dei parents are really happy they made the choice to switch teams; have their kids be put on a B team and drop 2 divisions; and increased their fees and commuting times to jump clubs \s\. Did the kids leave lacrosse or go to other clubs.?

Whats wrong with that ?? Standard in lacrosse industry to increase fees for those willing to pay. What are the fees in relation to holding your boy back at Mater Dei ?

The fees I'm talking about are the fees going from BLC to ML just to have your kid dropped to the B team and get fewer practices and more commuting. It was a poor decision by that collective group of families at BLC and a good decision by ML. Cabell got the money by stringing them along and ended up with a really good 2027 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax parent here. It was immature, in poor taste, and it crossed the line. I don't condone Cabell's actions and I am sure that other Madlax parents feel the same way. That is not the type of program that we want to be. We all make mistakes. Cabell is a passionate coach and it sometimes clouds his judgment. But overall, he means well. I am sure that it is part of the reason that he took it down. I don't know whether Cabell will ever apologize, but I want to say that I am sorry it happened, and I hope that it never happens again.

Sorry, this is an unacceptable acknowledgment/apology. He is a grown adult who chose to passive aggressively bully a kid, and he showed his entire club that he condones behavior like that. His passion didn’t cloud his judgement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This episode is over a year old and was never that big of a deal. If you know of a program that you think is perfect, go ahead and post its name, and I bet that plenty of people will hold a different opinion than yours. I am sorry if you had a bad experience in MadLax, but just go find another program.

Are you insane? You must be.

Let's face the reality BLC is club lite. The only real club teams for boys are ML & NL. Breslin does a great job with BLC. As a non-profit they want the kids to develop at a different pace than a for-profit. Where the emphasis is on winning. I have had kids in each program and every situation and kid is different. SO wake up you clowns and stop pointing fingers. I'm sure all the BLC parents love trucking up to the Lakelands. Mclean is closer & ML has more practices than BLC. There is a lid for every pot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's face the reality BLC is club lite. The only real club teams for boys are ML & NL. Breslin does a great job with BLC. As a non-profit they want the kids to develop at a different pace than a for-profit. Where the emphasis is on winning. I have had kids in each program and every situation and kid is different. SO wake up you clowns and stop pointing fingers. I'm sure all the BLC parents love trucking up to the Lakelands. Mclean is closer & ML has more practices than BLC. There is a lid for every pot.

One lid for D1 and all the rest of the lids are for the masses. I will go with the D1 lid .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's face the reality BLC is club lite. The only real club teams for boys are ML & NL. Breslin does a great job with BLC. As a non-profit they want the kids to develop at a different pace than a for-profit. Where the emphasis is on winning. I have had kids in each program and every situation and kid is different. SO wake up you clowns and stop pointing fingers. I'm sure all the BLC parents love trucking up to the Lakelands. Mclean is closer & ML has more practices than BLC. There is a lid for every pot.

One lid for D1 and all the rest of the lids are for the masses. I will go with the D1 lid .

Right cuz DCE, which is mostly BLC kids, hasn’t sent anyone to D1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's face the reality BLC is club lite. The only real club teams for boys are ML & NL. Breslin does a great job with BLC. As a non-profit they want the kids to develop at a different pace than a for-profit. Where the emphasis is on winning. I have had kids in each program and every situation and kid is different. SO wake up you clowns and stop pointing fingers. I'm sure all the BLC parents love trucking up to the Lakelands. Mclean is closer & ML has more practices than BLC. There is a lid for every pot.

Well said. For some of the BLC kids the move has been great, and for some it has not. They same can be said about the legacy MadLax kids, good for some, but not all. For the boys that got a raw deal, their parents helped them find a different team that is a better fit. The Capital team as a whole is in a good place and will compete for #1 in HoCo Elite, and is top 3-5 nationally. The DMV team has been placed in a division where it will likely have a winning record. As usual the owner will not win any popularity contests but is making a ton of money. Welcome to travel lacrosse. If you don’t like how it works, stick to rec.

So my son who regularly plays for True Baltimore was just invited to play for the new True DMV.

They told me this was a more competitive team. Any info about this new team ad we weigh our options is appreciated.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So my son who regularly plays for True Baltimore was just invited to play for the new True DMV.

They told me this was a more competitive team. Any info about this new team ad we weigh our options is appreciated.

Thanks!

True National Black 2026 was ranked 4th in 2021

Madlax Capital is 13th

I'd go to True

Its not True National, it's True DMV.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its not True National, it's True DMV.

True Annapolis is the only good True team. All the other True teams are below average. I would stay away from any brand-new club team- too many unknowns.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its not True National, it's True DMV.

True Annapolis is the only good True team. All the other True teams are below average. I would stay away from any brand-new club team- too many unknowns.

Except the Predators, Talk of Baltimore

Why are older Madlax teams playing in younger divisions in their own tourney? Please don't give me that garbage of "well, it's their B team so it's ok." Also, I noticed the 27 madlax capital team was shuttling players to the dmv games. So playing down against younger and smaller and double rostering again. What a class program. I'm sure Cabel sprung that on the other teams at the last minute and said take it or leave it.

Madlax DMV '27 and '28 lost their early morning games and called in some guest players to help?
Pretty standard move.
Good for them, for valuing excellence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its not True National, it's True DMV.

Remember True National is 80% chicago area players. Need to understand what chance if any he will need to tryout for True National.

True really only support their national and sometimes their regional teams in recruting. If he just played DMW, he may not get any recruiting support when the time comes.

Did BOTC delete some comments about Madlax cheating? Wow, there are tons of crude and outrageous comments on these boards and the ones with verified information are the ones deleted? I'm sure the younger 2026 teams loved a fresh Madlax 2025 team coming in and beating on them. Hey Madlax, try updating your Tourney Machine results too.

Team W L GS GA
Crabs 6 0 83 20
Madlax DMV 2025 3 0 26 17
Leading Edge 2 1 25 13
Top Caliber 2 1 14 17
Madlax - Capital 3 3 47 35
Hard Lax 2025 1 2 10 22
FCA 1 2 19 32
Hard Lax Navy 2026 0 3 9 42
3d Georgia Red 0 6 24 59

Madlax getting the business end of the stick from Radar. Any concerns with the suit?

Someone shamelessly playing the race card to try and get a cash payout? I've never seen THAT before.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone shamelessly playing the race card to try and get a cash payout? I've never seen THAT before.

or can't beat them, block them. Culture of the program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone shamelessly playing the race card to try and get a cash payout? I've never seen THAT before.

or can't beat them, block them. Culture of the program.

Looks like G is in the house! Please tell us more good sir.

If you're blocking them because you can't beat them, then it's petty maneuvering. Not race based discrimination. But, you can't cash in on petty maneuvering so....

well if you don't let minority owned clubs or clubs with minority players compete against you then i guess they can never beat you.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well if you don't let minority owned clubs or clubs with minority players compete against you then i guess they can never beat you.....

If you're reading this board, odds are you've been to a lacrosse tournament, and if you've been to a lacrosse tournament, you've seen minority players and teams made up of minority players competing. So, the question is who are you going to believe? Your own eyes, or someone who finds it convenient to lie for a shot at a payout?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax getting the business end of the stick from Radar. Any concerns with the suit?

Suit will be dismissed without prejudice, for failure to state a claim. Pretty poorly written complaint.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone shamelessly playing the race card to try and get a cash payout? I've never seen THAT before.

Not that is Funny !!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well if you don't let minority owned clubs or clubs with minority players compete against you then i guess they can never beat you.....

If you're reading this board, odds are you've been to a lacrosse tournament, and if you've been to a lacrosse tournament, you've seen minority players and teams made up of minority players competing. So, the question is who are you going to believe? Your own eyes, or someone who finds it convenient to lie for a shot at a payout?

Well then let them play! sounds like they played last year and won, registered this year, bought plane tickets, hotel rooms then were banned without reason or answering and questions

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well if you don't let minority owned clubs or clubs with minority players compete against you then i guess they can never beat you.....

If you're reading this board, odds are you've been to a lacrosse tournament, and if you've been to a lacrosse tournament, you've seen minority players and teams made up of minority players competing. So, the question is who are you going to believe? Your own eyes, or someone who finds it convenient to lie for a shot at a payout?

Well then let them play! sounds like they played last year and won, registered this year, bought plane tickets, hotel rooms then were banned without reason or answering and questions

Yes, that is the thing about discrimination law, in private business you can (and have to) make a lot of decisions as long as they are not focused on a protected class of people, while the same standard of conduct isn't extended to others. ML can omit anyone they want from any event, so long as the reason isn't exclusive to a protected class. For instance, if what they accuse Nationals of doing is accurate, they sure can reject them from future events..........unless True and other clubs (like ML!!!) are known by tournament ownership to be participating in that same exact behavior to any extent.

I can almost guarantee that is the core of Nationals' complaint, but we can't really know that because the complaint is poorly written and they haven't gotten ahead of it PR-wise, which is a mistake.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well if you don't let minority owned clubs or clubs with minority players compete against you then i guess they can never beat you.....

If you're reading this board, odds are you've been to a lacrosse tournament, and if you've been to a lacrosse tournament, you've seen minority players and teams made up of minority players competing. So, the question is who are you going to believe? Your own eyes, or someone who finds it convenient to lie for a shot at a payout?

Well then let them play! sounds like they played last year and won, registered this year, bought plane tickets, hotel rooms then were banned without reason or answering and questions

I'm sure the parents of the players did in fact buy plane tickets and reserve hotel rooms. They are responsible, well functioning adults. My guess is that the club director didn't do something that was supposed to happen. Registration is one thing. Paying the remaining amount due is another. If I were a Nationals parent, I'd really like to know what happened.

I’ve seen Nationals recruit a kid that is playing in the same tournament on a different team be recruited by Nationals to play in that very same tournament for them. ML moves kids down from their older teams if necessary to win.

The Nationals went to the tourney with expectations to play. They didn't.

Why didn't they play?

Through all those communications between coaches and administrators, Madlax and True best hope nothing inappropriate was emailed... or said.

This case will be resolved with Nationals being re-admitted to the tournaments but get ready for those ML dues to go up to cover the cost of legal proceedings up to this point. Maybe it will also end up with a National team tournament series or national division at some of the high profile tournaments. In essence, that's how Adrenaline Cup operates right now.

2028 AND 2029 PARENTS BEWARE! Madlax's box league has a number of 2027 players. These are big, strong and athletic players who have just started playing lacrosse and were placed in the younger division to allow them to "develop." I suppose if you are playing in a Madlax league you may know this already and have it built it into your decision process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax parent here. It was immature, in poor taste, and it crossed the line. I don't condone Cabell's actions and I am sure that other Madlax parents feel the same way. That is not the type of program that we want to be. We all make mistakes. Cabell is a passionate coach and it sometimes clouds his judgment. But overall, he means well. I am sure that it is part of the reason that he took it down. I don't know whether Cabell will ever apologize, but I want to say that I am sorry it happened, and I hope that it never happens again.

Sometimes? He knew exactly what he was doing by making that post. It doesn’t matter that he took it down, the damage was done. I have lost respect for every parent who chooses to pay money to play for him. You are condoning his history of actions by filling his pockets, and he will not stop the behavior because of it. Well done, parents. Keep talking trash about him, but you are the reason he is still out there doing what he does.

Ok Karen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax parent here. It was immature, in poor taste, and it crossed the line. I don't condone Cabell's actions and I am sure that other Madlax parents feel the same way. That is not the type of program that we want to be. We all make mistakes. Cabell is a passionate coach and it sometimes clouds his judgment. But overall, he means well. I am sure that it is part of the reason that he took it down. I don't know whether Cabell will ever apologize, but I want to say that I am sorry it happened, and I hope that it never happens again.

Sometimes? He knew exactly what he was doing by making that post. It doesn’t matter that he took it down, the damage was done. I have lost respect for every parent who chooses to pay money to play for him. You are condoning his history of actions by filling his pockets, and he will not stop the behavior because of it. Well done, parents. Keep talking trash about him, but you are the reason he is still out there doing what he does.

Ok Karen

This is such a lazy, unsurprising response.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax parent here. It was immature, in poor taste, and it crossed the line. I don't condone Cabell's actions and I am sure that other Madlax parents feel the same way. That is not the type of program that we want to be. We all make mistakes. Cabell is a passionate coach and it sometimes clouds his judgment. But overall, he means well. I am sure that it is part of the reason that he took it down. I don't know whether Cabell will ever apologize, but I want to say that I am sorry it happened, and I hope that it never happens again.

Sometimes? He knew exactly what he was doing by making that post. It doesn’t matter that he took it down, the damage was done. I have lost respect for every parent who chooses to pay money to play for him. You are condoning his history of actions by filling his pockets, and he will not stop the behavior because of it. Well done, parents. Keep talking trash about him, but you are the reason he is still out there doing what he does.

Ok Karen

This is such a lazy, unsurprising response.

I would say both are ..

For CBLL? False. My son plays and there isn't a single 27 on any of the inhouse teams. If this is Northstars maybe, but we r not playing that league so I can't speak for it. U need to be more specific.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For CBLL? False. My son plays and there isn't a single 27 on any of the inhouse teams. If this is Northstars maybe, but we r not playing that league so I can't speak for it. U need to be more specific.

Would you like names?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For CBLL? False. My son plays and there isn't a single 27 on any of the inhouse teams. If this is Northstars maybe, but we r not playing that league so I can't speak for it. U need to be more specific.

Would you like names?

Yes please

2 are listed on Future Elite Rush although 1 was moved to a different roster. They have only played 1 game. I'll let you figure it out from there since this is a Madlax and parent issue and, I hope, not a child's decision. They have 2008 birthdays and are physically large and athletic for their age. Madlax will say they are beginners but I don't want my 2011 child playing against them.

Yes, that is the thing about discrimination law, in private business you can (and have to) make a lot of decisions as long as they are not focused on a protected class of people, while the same standard of conduct isn't extended to others. ML can omit anyone they want from any event, so long as the reason isn't exclusive to a protected class. For instance, if what they accuse Nationals of doing is accurate, they sure can reject them from future events..........unless True and other clubs (like ML!!!) are known by tournament ownership to be participating in that same exact behavior to any extent.

I can almost guarantee that is the core of Nationals' complaint, but we can't really know that because the complaint is poorly written and they haven't gotten ahead of it PR-wise, which is a mistake.[/quote]

What did Madlax accuse Nationals of doing; why were they banned? Can’t be for being a national team there were 8 National teams just in the 2023 bracket of the tourney!
Also can’t say it’s cause they are minority - Nations United is specifically developed to provide opportunities for minority players and they were in it. Why was Nationals turned away?

That’s just how box is. This unfortunately is not a Madlax concoction.

Look up the age brackets for box lacrosse.

My kid plays up (a lot) and he is fine. Your kid will be fine also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, that is the thing about discrimination law, in private business you can (and have to) make a lot of decisions as long as they are not focused on a protected class of people, while the same standard of conduct isn't extended to others. ML can omit anyone they want from any event, so long as the reason isn't exclusive to a protected class. For instance, if what they accuse Nationals of doing is accurate, they sure can reject them from future events..........unless True and other clubs (like ML!!!) are known by tournament ownership to be participating in that same exact behavior to any extent.

I can almost guarantee that is the core of Nationals' complaint, but we can't really know that because the complaint is poorly written and they haven't gotten ahead of it PR-wise, which is a mistake.

What did Madlax accuse Nationals of doing; why were they banned? Can’t be for being a national team there were 8 National teams just in the 2023 bracket of the tourney!
Also can’t say it’s cause they are minority - Nations United is specifically developed to provide opportunities for minority players and they were in it. Why was Nationals turned away?[/quote]

Nationals were turned away because at last years club nationals, their 2027 team used players who were rostered on other teams for the same tournament. MadLax had to boot them in order to preserve the integrity of the event. Very simple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals were turned away because at last years club nationals, their 2027 team used players who were rostered on other teams for the same tournament. MadLax had to boot them in order to preserve the integrity of the event. Very simple.

Why would the Nationals be penalized for something that happened with a team at last year's event? And if that's the case, why didnt they just tell the Nationals this before they paid, registered and flew down to FL?

This all sounds like a case of terrible management and administration by Madlax. But not racism. It's a pi55ing match over hurt feelings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, that is the thing about discrimination law, in private business you can (and have to) make a lot of decisions as long as they are not focused on a protected class of people, while the same standard of conduct isn't extended to others. ML can omit anyone they want from any event, so long as the reason isn't exclusive to a protected class. For instance, if what they accuse Nationals of doing is accurate, they sure can reject them from future events..........unless True and other clubs (like ML!!!) are known by tournament ownership to be participating in that same exact behavior to any extent.

I can almost guarantee that is the core of Nationals' complaint, but we can't really know that because the complaint is poorly written and they haven't gotten ahead of it PR-wise, which is a mistake.

What did Madlax accuse Nationals of doing; why were they banned? Can’t be for being a national team there were 8 National teams just in the 2023 bracket of the tourney!
Also can’t say it’s cause they are minority - Nations United is specifically developed to provide opportunities for minority players and they were in it. Why was Nationals turned away?

Nationals were turned away because at last years club nationals, their 2027 team used players who were rostered on other teams for the same tournament. MadLax had to boot them in order to preserve the integrity of the event. Very simple.[/quote]

This response is accurate but not comprehensive. The "line in the sand" is whether an organization is adding players DURING a tournament who were not on the submitted roster. "Illegal rostering" is usually two rules: 1) All players must be on a submitted roster; 2) No player can be on more than one roster.

OK.....so..... It is well known that Madlax, True, Crabs, 91, Nationals, Mad Dog, Team Eighteen, and others all violate these two rules "occasionally." It is a horrible practice for youth sports, and it is always against the rules. Ad hoc/on-the-spot roster additions also means some parents are not paying, which I personally find insulting to those who do pay. Some of the clubs have in fact had teams DQ'ed (or players told to leave the field) for these roster violations, at prior tournaments as well as in the HoCo league. Some as recently as 2021.

Madlax ran the event in question last year. I was there. Arguably Madlax rosters were "ready to go" and not ad hoc for this Madlax event. Nationals decided to undertake this bad practice at this particular event, and got caught. Madlax is the tourney organizer and chose to enforce this rule. Very self serving by Madlax, but #1, their event, their rules, and #2 I have a hard time believing it was racially based as accused. The only evidence to support that would be if other clubs run by white guys were allowed to do on-the-spot rostering at the same Madlax event, which I kind of doubt (but would be hilarious to hear about).

Last year, Nationals 2027 added players already rostered on other teams in the very same division. Obviously, opposing players and coaches noticed and complained to the event organizers. The organizers (MadLax) cut Nationals a break by allowing them to play in the playoff round, which Nationals won, but then told them that they were not welcome to come back. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year, Nationals 2027 added players already rostered on other teams in the very same division. Obviously, opposing players and coaches noticed and complained to the event organizers. The organizers (MadLax) cut Nationals a break by allowing them to play in the playoff round, which Nationals won, but then told them that they were not welcome to come back. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

If that's the case, why Madlax allow the Nationals register, pay, and fly down to FL if they were banned from the event for previous year's behavior?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year, Nationals 2027 added players already rostered on other teams in the very same division. Obviously, opposing players and coaches noticed and complained to the event organizers. The organizers (MadLax) cut Nationals a break by allowing them to play in the playoff round, which Nationals won, but then told them that they were not welcome to come back. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

If that's the case, why Madlax allow the Nationals register, pay, and fly down to FL if they were banned from the event for previous year's behavior?

Meh they didn't "fly down," but at least by the time the Nationals families heard, many had booked flights. Maybe some were unrefundable? Not sure whether ML told Nationals at the last Tournament not to come back, or if that notification was months later. I suppose that timing will be litigated.

Certainly the litigation will be focused on whether their "banning" was essentially fair to the Nationals Org or not. Beyond that, whether it was "discriminatory" is a very high bar to meet.

What’s hilarious is that Mad Dog National (with several Nationals players) won the tournament and beat Madlax 8-0 in the semi-finals

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year, Nationals 2027 added players already rostered on other teams in the very same division. Obviously, opposing players and coaches noticed and complained to the event organizers. The organizers (MadLax) cut Nationals a break by allowing them to play in the playoff round, which Nationals won, but then told them that they were not welcome to come back. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

If that's the case, why Madlax allow the Nationals register, pay, and fly down to FL if they were banned from the event for previous year's behavior?

No, the Nationals organization that was caught cheating last year did NOT register and fly their teams to Florida. There were other teams with the word National or nation in their name, so perhaps you are confusing Nationals with one of those.

They were kicked out after flights and hotels had been booked. Obviously not after they had flown to Florida, as this this all went down a couple months ago. Not sure whether fees had been paid/accepted though. If so, pretty bad form on Madlax’ part. Heard the head of Madlax has quite the ego and temper, so wouldn’t surprise me.

Didnt ML owner make a fool of himself with a player that left the club?

Thanks Cab.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year, Nationals 2027 added players already rostered on other teams in the very same division. Obviously, opposing players and coaches noticed and complained to the event organizers. The organizers (MadLax) cut Nationals a break by allowing them to play in the playoff round, which Nationals won, but then told them that they were not welcome to come back. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

If that's the case, why Madlax allow the Nationals register, pay, and fly down to FL if they were banned from the event for previous year's behavior?

No, the Nationals organization that was caught cheating last year did NOT register and fly their teams to Florida. There were other teams with the word National or nation in their name, so perhaps you are confusing Nationals with one of those.

What?!?!?!? G got caught cheating?!?!?! I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say that he would do something like that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s hilarious is that Mad Dog National (with several Nationals players) won the tournament and beat Madlax 8-0 in the semi-finals

Yes, it is fun for Madlax detractors when one of their teams gets beaten, but like it or not, this event was a massive success for MadLax. It used to be a joke tournament with only MadLax' own teams and B level competition in attendance. But now it draws the very best national and regional all-star teams, plus the top-ranked "real" teams. Most of the MadLax teams finished at or near the top of large, elite fields. For example, the 2027 MadLax team went 4-1, with its only loss to Mad Dog Nationals, ranked #2 in US Club lax rankings, and they beat Nation's Best, which seems to have taken the place of Nationals, 7-5. The 2026 MadLax team went 3-2, losing to SweetLax and LI Express CoachC, the top two teams in the country. The 2025 MadLax team won its division, beating Crabs, West Coast Starz, Sweetlax. The 2029 ML team finished second, losing 8-4 to Nation's Best, in the finals. If I were Cabell (trust me, I am not) I would far prefer to have elite competition and my own teams win some/lose some, rather than a cream puff event where my teams collect all the trophies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didnt ML owner make a fool of himself with a player that left the club?

"Hey Ungrateful Quitter"

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s hilarious is that Mad Dog National (with several Nationals players) won the tournament and beat Madlax 8-0 in the semi-finals

Yes, it is fun for Madlax detractors when one of their teams gets beaten, but like it or not, this event was a massive success for MadLax. It used to be a joke tournament with only MadLax' own teams and B level competition in attendance. But now it draws the very best national and regional all-star teams, plus the top-ranked "real" teams. Most of the MadLax teams finished at or near the top of large, elite fields. For example, the 2027 MadLax team went 4-1, with its only loss to Mad Dog Nationals, ranked #2 in US Club lax rankings, and they beat Nation's Best, which seems to have taken the place of Nationals, 7-5. The 2026 MadLax team went 3-2, losing to SweetLax and LI Express CoachC, the top two teams in the country. The 2025 MadLax team won its division, beating Crabs, West Coast Starz, Sweetlax. The 2029 ML team finished second, losing 8-4 to Nation's Best, in the finals. If I were Cabell (trust me, I am not) I would far prefer to have elite competition and my own teams win some/lose some, rather than a cream puff event where my teams collect all the trophies.

There is so much bad information here, its truly amazing. Nationals didn't cheat last year, that's incorrect and just an excuse that parents use when their teams lose. The clubs that run the Club Nationals Tournament don't like Nationals poaching their players and are trying to end Nationals business model, by boxing them out of tournaments. Plain and simple. And Mad Dog '27 was essentially Nationals '27 from last year, but for a few players. We need some fact checking here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s hilarious is that Mad Dog National (with several Nationals players) won the tournament and beat Madlax 8-0 in the semi-finals

Yes, it is fun for Madlax detractors when one of their teams gets beaten, but like it or not, this event was a massive success for MadLax. It used to be a joke tournament with only MadLax' own teams and B level competition in attendance. But now it draws the very best national and regional all-star teams, plus the top-ranked "real" teams. Most of the MadLax teams finished at or near the top of large, elite fields. For example, the 2027 MadLax team went 4-1, with its only loss to Mad Dog Nationals, ranked #2 in US Club lax rankings, and they beat Nation's Best, which seems to have taken the place of Nationals, 7-5. The 2026 MadLax team went 3-2, losing to SweetLax and LI Express CoachC, the top two teams in the country. The 2025 MadLax team won its division, beating Crabs, West Coast Starz, Sweetlax. The 2029 ML team finished second, losing 8-4 to Nation's Best, in the finals. If I were Cabell (trust me, I am not) I would far prefer to have elite competition and my own teams win some/lose some, rather than a cream puff event where my teams collect all the trophies.

agree 100%. this the 3rd year for this tournament and it pretty clear the best teams want to play the best teams. Like the PP said you win some and lose some and that just makes those ML teams hungrier to be the best. 27, 26 and 25 all played well and the 25 team wasn't even picked to win it and just out played and wanted it more. Great Tournament and only going to get better!

I would add it was a well run tournament. Games started on time and the fields were awesome (all real grass) with real scoreboards at every field and lined only for lacrosse. The event has grown from about 50 teams, to 75 to over 120 and now they have added girls. This has happened all during covid.

I really hope more DMV and New England teams come next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s hilarious is that Mad Dog National (with several Nationals players) won the tournament and beat Madlax 8-0 in the semi-finals

Yes, it is fun for Madlax detractors when one of their teams gets beaten, but like it or not, this event was a massive success for MadLax. It used to be a joke tournament with only MadLax' own teams and B level competition in attendance. But now it draws the very best national and regional all-star teams, plus the top-ranked "real" teams. Most of the MadLax teams finished at or near the top of large, elite fields. For example, the 2027 MadLax team went 4-1, with its only loss to Mad Dog Nationals, ranked #2 in US Club lax rankings, and they beat Nation's Best, which seems to have taken the place of Nationals, 7-5. The 2026 MadLax team went 3-2, losing to SweetLax and LI Express CoachC, the top two teams in the country. The 2025 MadLax team won its division, beating Crabs, West Coast Starz, Sweetlax. The 2029 ML team finished second, losing 8-4 to Nation's Best, in the finals. If I were Cabell (trust me, I am not) I would far prefer to have elite competition and my own teams win some/lose some, rather than a cream puff event where my teams collect all the trophies.

There is so much bad information here, its truly amazing. Nationals didn't cheat last year, that's incorrect and just an excuse that parents use when their teams lose. The clubs that run the Club Nationals Tournament don't like Nationals poaching their players and are trying to end Nationals business model, by boxing them out of tournaments. Plain and simple. And Mad Dog '27 was essentially Nationals '27 from last year, but for a few players. We need some fact checking here.

Correct. The idea that Nationals must have cheated was floated on this board. Cabel would have most certainly changed the results to show forfeits. https://tourneymachine.com/Public/R...rnament=h202011111413287002971da302a3c4d

Yes, Mad Dog Nationals now have a number of players from the Nationals. I wouldn't call them "essentially" but these were Denver and west coast players who have found the travel expenses too much for the Nationals program. All of the national team programs are always in great flux due to travel and location but the better players keep going to them.

Nation's Best is the national program for 3Step who bought the Hawks. They are the big bully on the block and aren't done in their acquisitions in the DC area.

Madlax can't stem the national team programs and has fallen behind them because CM's personality and repuation precedes him. Nationals doesn't have a regional club base network in which to draw upon so we'll see if they can keep it up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s hilarious is that Mad Dog National (with several Nationals players) won the tournament and beat Madlax 8-0 in the semi-finals

Yes, it is fun for Madlax detractors when one of their teams gets beaten, but like it or not, this event was a massive success for MadLax. It used to be a joke tournament with only MadLax' own teams and B level competition in attendance. But now it draws the very best national and regional all-star teams, plus the top-ranked "real" teams. Most of the MadLax teams finished at or near the top of large, elite fields. For example, the 2027 MadLax team went 4-1, with its only loss to Mad Dog Nationals, ranked #2 in US Club lax rankings, and they beat Nation's Best, which seems to have taken the place of Nationals, 7-5. The 2026 MadLax team went 3-2, losing to SweetLax and LI Express CoachC, the top two teams in the country. The 2025 MadLax team won its division, beating Crabs, West Coast Starz, Sweetlax. The 2029 ML team finished second, losing 8-4 to Nation's Best, in the finals. If I were Cabell (trust me, I am not) I would far prefer to have elite competition and my own teams win some/lose some, rather than a cream puff event where my teams collect all the trophies.

There is so much bad information here, its truly amazing. Nationals didn't cheat last year, that's incorrect and just an excuse that parents use when their teams lose. The clubs that run the Club Nationals Tournament don't like Nationals poaching their players and are trying to end Nationals business model, by boxing them out of tournaments. Plain and simple. And Mad Dog '27 was essentially Nationals '27 from last year, but for a few players. We need some fact checking here.

Fact 1. G cheats
Fact 2. G lies
Fact 3. G takes peoples money without providing a product or service.

Evidence: Go read the 7-6-21 interview from Duke's Lacrosse owner/director Ebe Helm kicking G and his Duke's Nationals brand to the curb. https://www.thedukeslacrosse.com/current-announcements/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They were kicked out after flights and hotels had been booked. Obviously not after they had flown to Florida, as this this all went down a couple months ago. Not sure whether fees had been paid/accepted though. If so, pretty bad form on Madlax’ part. Heard the head of Madlax has quite the ego and temper, so wouldn’t surprise me.

If you have not had the opportunity to see him SCREAM at 4th, 5th, and 6th graders from the sideline, it is <<kisses fingertips>> not to be missed!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, that is the thing about discrimination law, in private business you can (and have to) make a lot of decisions as long as they are not focused on a protected class of people, while the same standard of conduct isn't extended to others. ML can omit anyone they want from any event, so long as the reason isn't exclusive to a protected class. For instance, if what they accuse Nationals of doing is accurate, they sure can reject them from future events..........unless True and other clubs (like ML!!!) are known by tournament ownership to be participating in that same exact behavior to any extent.

I can almost guarantee that is the core of Nationals' complaint, but we can't really know that because the complaint is poorly written and they haven't gotten ahead of it PR-wise, which is a mistake.

What did Madlax accuse Nationals of doing; why were they banned? Can’t be for being a national team there were 8 National teams just in the 2023 bracket of the tourney!
Also can’t say it’s cause they are minority - Nations United is specifically developed to provide opportunities for minority players and they were in it. Why was Nationals turned away?

Nationals were turned away because at last years club nationals, their 2027 team used players who were rostered on other teams for the same tournament. MadLax had to boot them in order to preserve the integrity of the event. Very simple.[/quote]

Never use the word integrity with the sport of lacrosse or Madlax, it simply doesn’t exist.

How many kids are actually on the nationals 28 “roster?”

Seems they have tryouts every three months all over the place.

Re 28 Nationals. We played them this summer. My hindsight ~estimate is 20-25 kids on roster. It was heavily populated by Next Level and Hawks kids. I didn't recognize the other helmets. They were pretty average IMO.

I do know that the Nationals coach approached at least 2 players on my son's team after one of our games and asked them to play for Nationals. I repeat, players, not the parents of yet-to-be 6th graders. Pretty creepy.

The practice of coaches approaching kids first is not unique to Nationals. It is wrong and I it absolutely sours most parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didnt ML owner make a fool of himself with a player that left the club?

"Hey Ungrateful Quitter"

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Wow, how could any parent sign up their Son to play for this maniac after reading this?

You know that you can see EXACTLY what the suit is about right? Its in federal court and everything is public? Sooo for those who say Nationals we thrown out for cheating, not accurate per the lawsuit. Those who say Nationals were not Invited, registered, and had hotels? Not right again….and per the court filings…..Jake Dean just said “Nationals are too good” and Cabal went along with it and threw them out of the tournament….motion to dismiss DENIED!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didnt ML owner make a fool of himself with a player that left the club?

"Hey Ungrateful Quitter"

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Wow, how could any parent sign up their Son to play for this maniac after reading this?

If you think this behavior is unique to ML, then go read the 91 MD or Hawks thread. Its amazing the level of child abuse that parents will tolerate from "lacrosse coaches" so they can proudly beat their chest while boasting to be on "the #1 team in the nation" or thereabouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s hilarious is that Mad Dog National (with several Nationals players) won the tournament and beat Madlax 8-0 in the semi-finals

Yes, it is fun for Madlax detractors when one of their teams gets beaten, but like it or not, this event was a massive success for MadLax. It used to be a joke tournament with only MadLax' own teams and B level competition in attendance. But now it draws the very best national and regional all-star teams, plus the top-ranked "real" teams. Most of the MadLax teams finished at or near the top of large, elite fields. For example, the 2027 MadLax team went 4-1, with its only loss to Mad Dog Nationals, ranked #2 in US Club lax rankings, and they beat Nation's Best, which seems to have taken the place of Nationals, 7-5. The 2026 MadLax team went 3-2, losing to SweetLax and LI Express CoachC, the top two teams in the country. The 2025 MadLax team won its division, beating Crabs, West Coast Starz, Sweetlax. The 2029 ML team finished second, losing 8-4 to Nation's Best, in the finals. If I were Cabell (trust me, I am not) I would far prefer to have elite competition and my own teams win some/lose some, rather than a cream puff event where my teams collect all the trophies.

There is so much bad information here, its truly amazing. Nationals didn't cheat last year, that's incorrect and just an excuse that parents use when their teams lose. The clubs that run the Club Nationals Tournament don't like Nationals poaching their players and are trying to end Nationals business model, by boxing them out of tournaments. Plain and simple. And Mad Dog '27 was essentially Nationals '27 from last year, but for a few players. We need some fact checking here.

Player(s) played for one team, and the same day switched jerseys and played for Nationals. Multiple opposing players and coaches witnessed and reported it. If you don't consider that to be cheating, or if you deny it happened and say that opposing parents made it up, that would explain why Nationals are no longer welcome at very many tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s hilarious is that Mad Dog National (with several Nationals players) won the tournament and beat Madlax 8-0 in the semi-finals

Yes, it is fun for Madlax detractors when one of their teams gets beaten, but like it or not, this event was a massive success for MadLax. It used to be a joke tournament with only MadLax' own teams and B level competition in attendance. But now it draws the very best national and regional all-star teams, plus the top-ranked "real" teams. Most of the MadLax teams finished at or near the top of large, elite fields. For example, the 2027 MadLax team went 4-1, with its only loss to Mad Dog Nationals, ranked #2 in US Club lax rankings, and they beat Nation's Best, which seems to have taken the place of Nationals, 7-5. The 2026 MadLax team went 3-2, losing to SweetLax and LI Express CoachC, the top two teams in the country. The 2025 MadLax team won its division, beating Crabs, West Coast Starz, Sweetlax. The 2029 ML team finished second, losing 8-4 to Nation's Best, in the finals. If I were Cabell (trust me, I am not) I would far prefer to have elite competition and my own teams win some/lose some, rather than a cream puff event where my teams collect all the trophies.

There is so much bad information here, its truly amazing. Nationals didn't cheat last year, that's incorrect and just an excuse that parents use when their teams lose. The clubs that run the Club Nationals Tournament don't like Nationals poaching their players and are trying to end Nationals business model, by boxing them out of tournaments. Plain and simple. And Mad Dog '27 was essentially Nationals '27 from last year, but for a few players. We need some fact checking here.

Player(s) played for one team, and the same day switched jerseys and played for Nationals. Multiple opposing players and coaches witnessed and reported it. If you don't consider that to be cheating, or if you deny it happened and say that opposing parents made it up, that would explain why Nationals are no longer welcome at very many tournaments.

Pleeeeeease...which shellacking felt worse? Last years by Nationals '27 or this years shutout by Mad Dog '27? The Mad Dog National vs. MadLax National game wasn't even competitive. I think you guys had 1 shot! Did Mad Dog cheat too?!?!?!?

btw, the person he went off on is still close with the ML org and asst coaches when he is off from D1 ball. There is more talk about this old article from a Bernie-esque publication from BOTC than from the kid who took the lashing. If it doesn't bother him, it shouldn't bother you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know that you can see EXACTLY what the suit is about right? Its in federal court and everything is public? Sooo for those who say Nationals we thrown out for cheating, not accurate per the lawsuit. Those who say Nationals were not Invited, registered, and had hotels? Not right again….and per the court filings…..Jake Dean just said “Nationals are too good” and Cabal went along with it and threw them out of the tournament….motion to dismiss DENIED!

The judge gave National's another chance to state their claim with a reminder that a number of their legal arguments were actually incorrect.

I find it interesting that you take what was written in the communications from the Nationals attorney as a statement of fact, especially given the bizarre yet comical nature of his submission.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s hilarious is that Mad Dog National (with several Nationals players) won the tournament and beat Madlax 8-0 in the semi-finals

Yes, it is fun for Madlax detractors when one of their teams gets beaten, but like it or not, this event was a massive success for MadLax. It used to be a joke tournament with only MadLax' own teams and B level competition in attendance. But now it draws the very best national and regional all-star teams, plus the top-ranked "real" teams. Most of the MadLax teams finished at or near the top of large, elite fields. For example, the 2027 MadLax team went 4-1, with its only loss to Mad Dog Nationals, ranked #2 in US Club lax rankings, and they beat Nation's Best, which seems to have taken the place of Nationals, 7-5. The 2026 MadLax team went 3-2, losing to SweetLax and LI Express CoachC, the top two teams in the country. The 2025 MadLax team won its division, beating Crabs, West Coast Starz, Sweetlax. The 2029 ML team finished second, losing 8-4 to Nation's Best, in the finals. If I were Cabell (trust me, I am not) I would far prefer to have elite competition and my own teams win some/lose some, rather than a cream puff event where my teams collect all the trophies.

There is so much bad information here, its truly amazing. Nationals didn't cheat last year, that's incorrect and just an excuse that parents use when their teams lose. The clubs that run the Club Nationals Tournament don't like Nationals poaching their players and are trying to end Nationals business model, by boxing them out of tournaments. Plain and simple. And Mad Dog '27 was essentially Nationals '27 from last year, but for a few players. We need some fact checking here.

Player(s) played for one team, and the same day switched jerseys and played for Nationals. Multiple opposing players and coaches witnessed and reported it. If you don't consider that to be cheating, or if you deny it happened and say that opposing parents made it up, that would explain why Nationals are no longer welcome at very many tournaments.

Pleeeeeease...which shellacking felt worse? Last years by Nationals '27 or this years shutout by Mad Dog '27? The Mad Dog National vs. MadLax National game wasn't even competitive. I think you guys had 1 shot! Did Mad Dog cheat too?!?!?!?

You must not have been watching the Mad Dog game very closely, because the Mad Dog goalie had some great saves. But to answer your question, last years game felt much worse, because in that one the opponent cheated. But I am glad they got caught, glad you don't deny it, and glad that the cheaters won't be coming back.

Talk about a bunch of immature bickering.

All the orgs involved have documented histories of petty, childish and unprofessional behavior:

Owners talking garbage to players/parents, rigging their own tournaments, cross-rostering players, floating registration checks, and not paying tournament dues.

All sides deserve eachother. No class whatsoever.

Being jealous does not look good!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s hilarious is that Mad Dog National (with several Nationals players) won the tournament and beat Madlax 8-0 in the semi-finals

Yes, it is fun for Madlax detractors when one of their teams gets beaten, but like it or not, this event was a massive success for MadLax. It used to be a joke tournament with only MadLax' own teams and B level competition in attendance. But now it draws the very best national and regional all-star teams, plus the top-ranked "real" teams. Most of the MadLax teams finished at or near the top of large, elite fields. For example, the 2027 MadLax team went 4-1, with its only loss to Mad Dog Nationals, ranked #2 in US Club lax rankings, and they beat Nation's Best, which seems to have taken the place of Nationals, 7-5. The 2026 MadLax team went 3-2, losing to SweetLax and LI Express CoachC, the top two teams in the country. The 2025 MadLax team won its division, beating Crabs, West Coast Starz, Sweetlax. The 2029 ML team finished second, losing 8-4 to Nation's Best, in the finals. If I were Cabell (trust me, I am not) I would far prefer to have elite competition and my own teams win some/lose some, rather than a cream puff event where my teams collect all the trophies.

There is so much bad information here, its truly amazing. Nationals didn't cheat last year, that's incorrect and just an excuse that parents use when their teams lose. The clubs that run the Club Nationals Tournament don't like Nationals poaching their players and are trying to end Nationals business model, by boxing them out of tournaments. Plain and simple. And Mad Dog '27 was essentially Nationals '27 from last year, but for a few players. We need some fact checking here.

Player(s) played for one team, and the same day switched jerseys and played for Nationals. Multiple opposing players and coaches witnessed and reported it. If you don't consider that to be cheating, or if you deny it happened and say that opposing parents made it up, that would explain why Nationals are no longer welcome at very many tournaments.

Pleeeeeease...which shellacking felt worse? Last years by Nationals '27 or this years shutout by Mad Dog '27? The Mad Dog National vs. MadLax National game wasn't even competitive. I think you guys had 1 shot! Did Mad Dog cheat too?!?!?!?

You must not have been watching the Mad Dog game very closely, because the Mad Dog goalie had some great saves. But to answer your question, last years game felt much worse, because in that one the opponent cheated. But I am glad they got caught, glad you don't deny it, and glad that the cheaters won't be coming back.

Madlax parents complaining about cheating might be the best thing ever! Congrats to CM son for making all tournament team.

Fine with me when any cheaters get caught, whether Nationals, MadLax, or whomever. Wish it happened more often.

Does anybody know the story of Nationals' future - are they folding their tent and releasing players to other teams like Mad Dog and Nation's Best?

Why would Nationals fold? I heard they offered to buy Madlax in lieu of Madlax losing the club due to the lawsuit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s hilarious is that Mad Dog National (with several Nationals players) won the tournament and beat Madlax 8-0 in the semi-finals

Yes, it is fun for Madlax detractors when one of their teams gets beaten, but like it or not, this event was a massive success for MadLax. It used to be a joke tournament with only MadLax' own teams and B level competition in attendance. But now it draws the very best national and regional all-star teams, plus the top-ranked "real" teams. Most of the MadLax teams finished at or near the top of large, elite fields. For example, the 2027 MadLax team went 4-1, with its only loss to Mad Dog Nationals, ranked #2 in US Club lax rankings, and they beat Nation's Best, which seems to have taken the place of Nationals, 7-5. The 2026 MadLax team went 3-2, losing to SweetLax and LI Express CoachC, the top two teams in the country. The 2025 MadLax team won its division, beating Crabs, West Coast Starz, Sweetlax. The 2029 ML team finished second, losing 8-4 to Nation's Best, in the finals. If I were Cabell (trust me, I am not) I would far prefer to have elite competition and my own teams win some/lose some, rather than a cream puff event where my teams collect all the trophies.

There is so much bad information here, its truly amazing. Nationals didn't cheat last year, that's incorrect and just an excuse that parents use when their teams lose. The clubs that run the Club Nationals Tournament don't like Nationals poaching their players and are trying to end Nationals business model, by boxing them out of tournaments. Plain and simple. And Mad Dog '27 was essentially Nationals '27 from last year, but for a few players. We need some fact checking here.

Player(s) played for one team, and the same day switched jerseys and played for Nationals. Multiple opposing players and coaches witnessed and reported it. If you don't consider that to be cheating, or if you deny it happened and say that opposing parents made it up, that would explain why Nationals are no longer welcome at very many tournaments.

Pleeeeeease...which shellacking felt worse? Last years by Nationals '27 or this years shutout by Mad Dog '27? The Mad Dog National vs. MadLax National game wasn't even competitive. I think you guys had 1 shot! Did Mad Dog cheat too?!?!?!?

You must not have been watching the Mad Dog game very closely, because the Mad Dog goalie had some great saves. But to answer your question, last years game felt much worse, because in that one the opponent cheated. But I am glad they got caught, glad you don't deny it, and glad that the cheaters won't be coming back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s hilarious is that Mad Dog National (with several Nationals players) won the tournament and beat Madlax 8-0 in the semi-finals

Yes, it is fun for Madlax detractors when one of their teams gets beaten, but like it or not, this event was a massive success for MadLax. It used to be a joke tournament with only MadLax' own teams and B level competition in attendance. But now it draws the very best national and regional all-star teams, plus the top-ranked "real" teams. Most of the MadLax teams finished at or near the top of large, elite fields. For example, the 2027 MadLax team went 4-1, with its only loss to Mad Dog Nationals, ranked #2 in US Club lax rankings, and they beat Nation's Best, which seems to have taken the place of Nationals, 7-5. The 2026 MadLax team went 3-2, losing to SweetLax and LI Express CoachC, the top two teams in the country. The 2025 MadLax team won its division, beating Crabs, West Coast Starz, Sweetlax. The 2029 ML team finished second, losing 8-4 to Nation's Best, in the finals. If I were Cabell (trust me, I am not) I would far prefer to have elite competition and my own teams win some/lose some, rather than a cream puff event where my teams collect all the trophies.

There is so much bad information here, its truly amazing. Nationals didn't cheat last year, that's incorrect and just an excuse that parents use when their teams lose. The clubs that run the Club Nationals Tournament don't like Nationals poaching their players and are trying to end Nationals business model, by boxing them out of tournaments. Plain and simple. And Mad Dog '27 was essentially Nationals '27 from last year, but for a few players. We need some fact checking here.

Player(s) played for one team, and the same day switched jerseys and played for Nationals. Multiple opposing players and coaches witnessed and reported it. If you don't consider that to be cheating, or if you deny it happened and say that opposing parents made it up, that would explain why Nationals are no longer welcome at very many tournaments.

Pleeeeeease...which shellacking felt worse? Last years by Nationals '27 or this years shutout by Mad Dog '27? The Mad Dog National vs. MadLax National game wasn't even competitive. I think you guys had 1 shot! Did Mad Dog cheat too?!?!?!?

You must not have been watching the Mad Dog game very closely, because the Mad Dog goalie had some great saves. But to answer your question, last years game felt much worse, because in that one the opponent cheated. But I am glad they got caught, glad you don't deny it, and glad that the cheaters won't be coming back.

I watched the entire game, and Madlax barely had the ball, so yeah it wasn't competitive. It had nothing to do with Mad Dog's goalies. And for the record, I am denying that Nationals '27 cheated last year. They didnt have kids playing on multiple '27 rosters and didnt cheat. They were just A LOT better than Madlax. Sorry bud!

You're correct that the new trend of national all star teams like Nationals, Mad Dog National, and Nation's Best often handle individual programs like MadLax without much trouble. MadLax adds a few ringers to its Capital teams to form "National teams," but now the truly national teams are beating MadLax at its own game, by bringing teams made entirely of ringers to MadLax's own tournament. Good for them, and it is nice for MadLax to be the underdog for a change, like when MadLax 2027 beat Nation's Best this year in a great game 7-5. But you are out of the loop if you don't know about Nationals 2027 roster shenanigans last year. They were caught red handed, which is why they were booted out of for this year, and why their former players seem to have dispersed to Mad Dog and Nations Best.

They couldn’t have been caught too much. No forfeit was registered and I’m sure Cabel would have. I heard Cabel didn’t go for the forfeit because his rosters were full of players who hadn’t officially registered. They didn’t double roster at that specific tournament, even though they did at a couple of other fall tournaments, but they had players not on the official submission.

Nice try, but the decision not to DQ Nationals was to avoid penalizing the Nationals families, who had no say in the roster shenanigans, and because MadLax own 2027 team wanted another shot at Nationals, with an honest roster. The difference between the Saturday score (14-0) and the Sunday score (7-4) tells you something about the players that Nationals pulled in from other teams. But Nationals were told not to come back the following year, and the Nationals families got smart and went to other teams.

Nice try. Anybody who has ever had any contact with Cabell or BW knows that to be untrue.

Are the monuments happening this year for the 7th graders?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are the monuments happening this year for the 7th graders?

Nope

Anyone playing in the Elite6 tournament on February 26th at Blandair Park in Columbia?

MadLax openly admitting to moving players from team to team weekly across divisions.

"Players can be moved between Capital & DMV Teams at any point. DMV players are often "called up" throughout the year! These decision are made by the Madlax Coaching staff weekly and will all be based on skill, attitude, commitment and passion."

Old news and ripped from the website. No DMV player comes up unless they have improved big time and rarely happens. Seen 3 players in the last few years in the class of 26 and happens more in the younger teams like 27 had ton of movement but that make sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MadLax openly admitting to moving players from team to team weekly across divisions.

"Players can be moved between Capital & DMV Teams at any point. DMV players are often "called up" throughout the year! These decision are made by the Madlax Coaching staff weekly and will all be based on skill, attitude, commitment and passion."

What they oddly, don’t mention is Capital kids are often “demoted” throughout the season to help DMV win too.

Many of us watched the roster shuffle this past fall.

If you are losing to Madlax DMV then you have bigger issues to worry about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MadLax openly admitting to moving players from team to team weekly across divisions.

"Players can be moved between Capital & DMV Teams at any point. DMV players are often "called up" throughout the year! These decision are made by the Madlax Coaching staff weekly and will all be based on skill, attitude, commitment and passion."

From the HOCO rules:

Any additions or deletions must be put in writing and submitted to the Conference Manager before the player is eligible to play. Additions must include all information and waiver forms required with the original roster submittal. No player may be added after the fourth game of the season.

Players released require approval from the “Conference” before signing on with another team. The team shall officially release a player in writing on the “release player” form before the “Conference” can consider approval for another team. Players may only play for one team in this conference. Any player on more then one roster will result in the forfeiture of all games scheduled for both teams and the removal of the player from the conference. Each coach should check with the player’s parents to ensure that the player is only on one roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MadLax openly admitting to moving players from team to team weekly across divisions.

"Players can be moved between Capital & DMV Teams at any point. DMV players are often "called up" throughout the year! These decision are made by the Madlax Coaching staff weekly and will all be based on skill, attitude, commitment and passion."

From the HOCO rules:

Any additions or deletions must be put in writing and submitted to the Conference Manager before the player is eligible to play. Additions must include all information and waiver forms required with the original roster submittal. No player may be added after the fourth game of the season.

Players released require approval from the “Conference” before signing on with another team. The team shall officially release a player in writing on the “release player” form before the “Conference” can consider approval for another team. Players may only play for one team in this conference. Any player on more then one roster will result in the forfeiture of all games scheduled for both teams and the removal of the player from the conference. Each coach should check with the player’s parents to ensure that the player is only on one roster.

Cabel don’t care. He’s a stunad

Does it bother anyone that most MD kids are 2 years older than the national average per grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does it bother anyone that most MD kids are 2 years older than the national average per grade?

They aren’t. Get lost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does it bother anyone that most MD kids are 2 years older than the national average per grade?

Not in any way shape or form. Should it…..and what is your source?
Why does it bother you so much? Maryland kid take your lunch money?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does it bother anyone that most MD kids are 2 years older than the national average per grade?

Not in any way shape or form. Should it…..and what is your source?
Why does it bother you so much? Maryland kid take your lunch money?

Unless they play on age - then they run for the hills!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does it bother anyone that most MD kids are 2 years older than the national average per grade?

What team does your son play for?

Cap kids don't play for dmv. That's just false. Clown

2027’s do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027’s do.

+1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are losing to Madlax DMV then you have bigger issues to worry about.

+1
MadLax DMV teams are the equivalent of top Virginia rec teams. If your son is on, or playing against a MadLax DMV team, he is playing for fun and not on track for HS or college glory. So just let him have fun and stop whining.

Madlax dmv has half of its kids playing for fun. The rest are the Capital kids, who show up to play down against A and AA teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cap kids don't play for dmv. That's just false. Clown

Take it easy, ML 2031 dad. It's the known culture of the club, and too many people have seen it in person, too many times to say "it NEVER happens." If you wanted to have an argument over it, those arguments would be:

1) OK this is a rare and unusual situation, it almost never happens
2) These are justified situations (COVID roster shortages, emergency subs, etc). "The tournament or league always green lights it ahead of time"
3) If it's fine for True and Nationals (both well documented, also), then why can't ML do it?

It happens both ways so i'm sorry "Clown" you are wrong. Cap kids have played DMV and DMV kids get pushed to Cap when ready. it happens in HOCO but they have been caught and happens in ML tournaments and happens at other tournaments.

mostly, it happens for 1) to win 2) short players 3) others do it

accept it and move on...

That MadLax 31 is probably the best team of 10 and 11 year olds in the country. Really impressive.

You'll be said to know they are only a group of 9 years olds...as evident by the clear size disadvantage they had against Wolfpack. But agree, they are probably one of the best team of 9 year old teams in the mid atlantic. Hawks beat them in HoCo and Rebels from LI handled them in early spring, but certainly a strong squad.

And when that squad of 9 year olds doesn't score 14+ in a league game, they file a protest with the league. haha

which game did they protest? News to the parents!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You'll be said to know they are only a group of 9 years olds...as evident by the clear size disadvantage they had against Wolfpack. But agree, they are probably one of the best team of 9 year old teams in the mid atlantic. Hawks beat them in HoCo and Rebels from LI handled them in early spring, but certainly a strong squad.

Yeah rebels squad best we have seen. Mad lax definitely top 3.

happened again....

What happened again??

if I had to guess what happened again it's that madlax moderators of this forum didn't approve the comments talking about how the ML 31 team has a bunch of 10 year olds on it.

oh so every good madlax team has a bunch of holdbacks?

Isn’t that how it’s done?? Older=better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isn’t that how it’s done?? Older=better

Speaking of older - if a player just finished up as a 2027 and intends to reclassify and become a 2028. Does the player play 2027 ball this summer or 2028?

There is nothing to stop it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh so every good madlax team has a bunch of holdbacks?

I have no such knowledge though pre-first is a prep school thing and McLean is the primary geography of the team. All I know is that their 31 team is really good. Some parent/fan of madlax here claimed that they were just a bunch of 9yo. When, for example, my son played against them and was chatting them up. He said that #10 on team’s name is Brendan and Brendan said he was 10yo.

Nobody truly cares about 3rd grade lacrosse, hammerhead bags. I came across this thread looking for the HS chatter and you are talking about 9 year olds? Hahhaha. I am truly dumber for reading these posts re 3rd grade holdbacks....or maybe holdbacks.....or my friend's son who played them and chatted with them said they were holdbacks. Get a life. Your kid still watches cartoons.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody truly cares about 3rd grade lacrosse, hammerhead bags. I came across this thread looking for the HS chatter and you are talking about 9 year olds? Hahhaha. I am truly dumber for reading these posts re 3rd grade holdbacks....or maybe holdbacks.....or my friend's son who played them and chatted with them said they were holdbacks. Get a life. Your kid still watches cartoons.

#truth

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody truly cares about 3rd grade lacrosse, hammerhead bags. I came across this thread looking for the HS chatter and you are talking about 9 year olds? Hahhaha. I am truly dumber for reading these posts re 3rd grade holdbacks....or maybe holdbacks.....or my friend's son who played them and chatted with them said they were holdbacks. Get a life. Your kid still watches cartoons.

#truth

☝🏻

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody truly cares about 3rd grade lacrosse, hammerhead bags. I came across this thread looking for the HS chatter and you are talking about 9 year olds? Hahhaha. I am truly dumber for reading these posts re 3rd grade holdbacks....or maybe holdbacks.....or my friend's son who played them and chatted with them said they were holdbacks. Get a life. Your kid still watches cartoons.

#truth

☝🏻

What in the world did you expect from a madlax thread. 🤣

I guess I’m curious if your 19yo senior or 18 yo junior of whatever you have still has that relative advantage over the competition or does that edge kind of get scrambled by HS?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are losing to Madlax DMV then you have bigger issues to worry about.

+1
MadLax DMV teams are the equivalent of top Virginia rec teams. If your son is on, or playing against a MadLax DMV team, he is playing for fun and not on track for HS or college glory. So just let him have fun and stop whining.

The top VA rec team Dulles South would destroy Madlax DMV team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess I’m curious if your 19yo senior or 18 yo junior of whatever you have still has that relative advantage over the competition or does that edge kind of get scrambled by HS?

So, by then the height, speed and stick skills advantages are scrambled, but Some (not all) holdbacks at 19-20 maintain an advantage over younger players in terms of physical strength (weight room), emotional/game-time maturity, and if they are playing in an average or below HS league, the extra 1-2 years of advanced lax IQ can make a difference.

What you might not know is “madLax” stands for “mad lacrosse”

Does anyone know anything about the East Coast Summer Showcase that is hosted by Madlax? I have son not in Madlax but we are going to be in that area during the time frame and was wondering how the camp is?
Anyone Anyone?

Are there any 2025 club teams looking for players? Sadly FCA is folding their 2025 team leaving many girls looking for a place to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What you might not know is “madLax” stands for “mad lacrosse”

It stands for cheap shots in a way that represents the "head" of the operation.

says the "Daddy coach" of the team ... please stop! you guys look silly, and sad.

How many kids showed up for the 2028 tryouts last night?

Real questions is how many drove to the try-out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

happened again....

Is this about the 2028s?

Any news on the "Supreme" National team? Or is it still in the process of recruiting?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any news on the "Supreme" National team? Or is it still in the process of recruiting?

They’re recruiting hard, nobody local taking the bait.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened again??

Is this about Madlax avoiding any tournament with NL and/or DCE? Or about not letting DCE Black play at NAL in the 2028 division, since 9 kids came over from 2028 Capital?

The Nationals 2029 had a former WCS playing for their 2029 team during their game against Madlax. Several kids said he played with their older brother. Cheaters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Nationals 2029 had a former WCS playing for their 2029 team during their game against Madlax. Several kids said he played with their older brother. Cheaters.

Yea duh! They don’t care

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Nationals 2029 had a former WCS playing for their 2029 team during their game against Madlax. Several kids said he played with their older brother. Cheaters.

CLubs always have guest players play for them. This is nothing new in club ball

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Nationals 2029 had a former WCS playing for their 2029 team during their game against Madlax. Several kids said he played with their older brother. Cheaters.

I feel like you will see more of this with "National" teams..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Nationals 2029 had a former WCS playing for their 2029 team during their game against Madlax. Several kids said he played with their older brother. Cheaters.

I feel like you will see more of this with "National" teams..

Why did the founder flee his state... why...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Nationals 2029 had a former WCS playing for their 2029 team during their game against Madlax. Several kids said he played with their older brother. Cheaters.

OMG, a former player of one club joined another club. Great investigative work.

The real questions is why did US Club Lacrosse post this on their Instagram?

🚨Breaking News🚨
US Club Lacrosse is no longer the media and on site media provider for the Club Nationals Tournament.
Thank you to the teams and all the players we connected with over the past 4 years. 🙏🏻

Also that they are NO longer partners with MDLX.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real questions is why did US Club Lacrosse post this on their Instagram?

🚨Breaking News🚨
US Club Lacrosse is no longer the media and on site media provider for the Club Nationals Tournament.
Thank you to the teams and all the players we connected with over the past 4 years. 🙏🏻

Also that they are NO longer partners with MDLX.

Good for ML. Glad to see someone punch them in nose. Ranks were bogus

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real questions is why did US Club Lacrosse post this on their Instagram?

🚨Breaking News🚨
US Club Lacrosse is no longer the media and on site media provider for the Club Nationals Tournament.
Thank you to the teams and all the players we connected with over the past 4 years. 🙏🏻

Also that they are NO longer partners with MDLX.

Good for ML. Glad to see someone punch them in nose. Ranks were bogus

Odd post.
Unrelated, I got caught going down the BOTC rabbit hole reading old Madlax posts from the early days. Somehow this program has managed to defy logic and all sensibilities one might hope the parents possess. They’ve (He) has repeatedly operated like some despot in a youth sports world…. Guy should be put to pasture.

US Club Lacrosse is not USA Lacrosse. US Club Lacrosse is a media business and ranks the clubs. It has nothing to do with the rules of lacrosse or age verification.

There are a lot of companies that offer the same media services as US Club Lacrosse. MDLX found someone else for the tournament. It’s not that complicated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Club Lacrosse is not USA Lacrosse. US Club Lacrosse is a media business and ranks the clubs. It has nothing to do with the rules of lacrosse or age verification.

There are a lot of companies that offer the same media services as US Club Lacrosse. MDLX found someone else for the tournament. It’s not that complicated.

Then why did US Club Lacrosse feel the need to make this "Breaking News" and post it on their Instagram? Just seems odd to post it that way..

What did US Club Lacrosse do for the tournament anyway? Who is the company that is replacing US Club lacrosse?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real questions is why did US Club Lacrosse post this on their Instagram?

🚨Breaking News🚨
US Club Lacrosse is no longer the media and on site media provider for the Club Nationals Tournament.
Thank you to the teams and all the players we connected with over the past 4 years. 🙏🏻

Also that they are NO longer partners with MDLX.

Good for ML. Glad to see someone punch them in nose. Ranks were bogus

The guy is unreal...who did he punch this time?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Club Lacrosse is not USA Lacrosse. US Club Lacrosse is a media business and ranks the clubs. It has nothing to do with the rules of lacrosse or age verification.

There are a lot of companies that offer the same media services as US Club Lacrosse. MDLX found someone else for the tournament. It’s not that complicated.

Then why did US Club Lacrosse feel the need to make this "Breaking News" and post it on their Instagram? Just seems odd to post it that way..

My guess is they were just bitter about losing the job and wanted to cause a stir. Mission accomplished based on the Instagram reactions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any news on the "Supreme" National team? Or is it still in the process of recruiting?

They’re recruiting hard, nobody local taking the bait.

Maybe they needs to spill the beans about what is included in Supreme.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any news on the "Supreme" National team? Or is it still in the process of recruiting?

They’re recruiting hard, nobody local taking the bait.

Maybe they needs to spill the beans about what is included in Supreme.

Yeah. The whole enchilada