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Posted By: CageSage

MadLax Lacrosse - 06/25/13 06:11 PM

This thread will be used to cover the news and discussions of the MadLax Lacrosse Baltimore and Capital (Maryland, DC, Virginia) programs.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/26/13 01:21 AM

Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse Merges with MadLax Lacrosse

(March, 2013)

Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse and MADLAX recently completed a merger that combines both programs. Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse will operate under the MADLAX National program umbrella, with a goal to develop one of the nation’s strongest and most productive club lacrosse platforms and brands. Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse will keep the Rock name and colors and operate as Madlax-Rock of Baltimore. Madlax-Rock will offer all-star teams, camps and clinics for boys ages 8-18. The merger integration is underway and will be completed prior to the start of the summer 2013 season. The merger combines two of the nations most recognized ELITE level club brands.

Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse was founded in 2005. The emphasis for Rock’s establishment was an interest in establishing a Club lacrosse program in the Baltimore/Washington area that offered a team club platform with an added emphasis on position specific team and player development. Kevin Mayer (current Assistant Coach and Defensive Coordinator at CCBC Catonsville) has been Director of Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse since 2006. Coach Mayer has overseen all aspects of the club operations including the strategic mission and the recruiting platform for the high school players in addition to coaching at the High School ELITE level for Rock Sophomore and Junior teams. Kevin Mayer will remain as Director of Madlax-Rock of Baltimore. The current Rock Coaching Staff(s) and team designations will remain in place.

Madlax was founded in 1996 by current owner Cabell Maddux. Madlax offers all-stars travel teams, camps, clinics, leagues, tournaments and has a retail and online store. Madlax All-Stars teams started competing in 1999 with just one team attending Champ Camp. Today Madlax All-Stars has 14 team within Madlax-Capital, 8 team within Madlax-Florida and 4 teams within Madlax-California that will combine with 10 teams from Madlax-Rock. Madlax-Capital All-Stars have placed over 350 boys into NCAA programs. In 2010 Madlax founded and started the only character development initiative within an elite boys lacrosse club called C.A.S.E (character, attitude, success, effort). In 2009 Madlax started its unique ‘Academy’ concept which offers teaching and positional practice and speed workouts 11 months of the year for all players involved in the Capital All-Stars program.

The merger allows both programs to combine administrative resources while enhancing the ability to focus on the most important aspects of the club lacrosse experience: (1) Individual position specific skills development (2) team skills development (3) advisement in the recruiting process for high school players (4) encouraging confidence for our participants during the player developmental process (5) teaching and mentoring the GAME of LACROSSE . The merger also allows for the scaling of the MADLAX National Team platform, which combines the organizations top talent from all of the Clubs operating under the MADLAX national umbrella. The current MADLAX National umbrella includes 36 teams from: Madlax-Rock-Baltimore, Madlax-Capital, Madlax-Florida, and Madlax-California All Star Teams.

“The growth of the club lacrosse platform risks moving away from development of the position specific skills required to become impact lacrosse players, says Mayer. Under the current platform offered by many club organizations the overriding focus is on the team aspects of player development. Player’s participate with their club teams in the fall, spring (for middle school players), summer and the entire annual platform for development provides an emphasis only on the team components of the game. The risk is young developing players are missing the position specific skills development you need to become an ELITE level lacrosse player. When we were young we went to camps in the summer and learned position specific skills that made us better players. With club becoming a key component for youth and High School lacrosse players many young players are missing out on learning position specific skills. It is not unusual for us to get High School players at our tryouts who do not have basic position specific skills sets they need to succeed at their positions. Rock’s mission has always been to focus on both aspects, although as our program grew the administrative load kept us from scaling the teaching component. Madlax’s vision and mission mirrors ours and hence combining resources with Madlax was a no brainer and allows us to streamline the administrative component while significantly scaling the most important part of the cub experience…TEACHING the GAME of LACROSSE!”

Cabell Maddux, Madlax founder adds, “Kevin Mayer has built a quality and respected program in The Rock and we are excited and honored to combine our resources and knowledge to create an the premier elite travel lacrosse program that will positively impact boys living in the greater Baltimore area. I am most excited about spreading the Academy teaching concept, the CASE initiative and enhancing the quality of lacrosse played on the field by Madlax-Rock teams and especially the Madlax National Teams. Our National Teams will provide a unique opportunity for a boy from San Francisco, CA to play on the same outstanding team with a boy from Naples, Fl, McLean, VA, Bethesda, MD and Baltimore, MD. That will be a fun and memorable experience for our Madlax players from across the country!”

Rock will be integrating the Academy based training platform currently in place with Madlax along with the CASE program immediately. The national team platform will start at u13 and go through rising seniors each summer and fall. It provides an opportunity to streamline the recruiting organization at the High School level, provide Middle School players an opportunity to roll out age based National teams, while incentivizing all Madlax players to work to make these teams while combining TOP players from different regions.

A new robust Madlax website will launch in the next few weeks and all the national programs will be included in the new site. Madlax will be exploring further opportunities to add new travel programs to the national platform.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/26/13 01:22 AM

Chesapeake Rock College Commitments

Rock Lacrosse would like to extend gratulations and recognition to our current committed players from our 2015, 2014 and 2013 classes. WE HAVE ADDED SOME UPDATES. See commitment summary below:

2013

Michael LeClair* Mt. Saint Joseph High School Attack High Point University
James Tautkus TAFT School Attack Cornell University
Ryan Drenner* Westminster High School Attack Towson University
Adam Huber Mt. Hebron High School Attack Canisius University
Robbie Dunnigan Landon School Attack Colgate University
Michael Mayer*/** St. Paul's School Defense Georgetown University
Connor Duffy** Choate Defense Lehigh University
AJ Fradkin St. Paul's School Defense UMBC
Jamie McLamb Mt. Hebron High School Defense McDaniel College
Austin Simpson Westminster High School Defense Mercer University
Teddy Chase* Winters Mill High School Defense Salisbury University
Tom Carroll Calvert Hall High School Defense Quinnipiac University
Joey Giarnnas St. Mark's High School Midfield Lynchburg College
Mark Darden** Glenelg High School Midfield Hobart University
Greg Sheetz Boys Latin High School Midfield Hobart Uiversity
Casey Rees Boys Latin High School Midfield Navy
Dylan McDermott**South Carroll High School Midfield UMBC
Ben Linkous St. Paul's High School Midfield UMBC
Anthony Pagnotta** Glenelg High School FOGO Towson University
Mike D'Amelio St. Paul's School FOGO Dennison University
Greg Louzan St. Paul's School Midfield St. Mary's College
DJ Plummer Kent Island High School Midfield Navy

2014

Jason Ashwood Hereford High School Attack High Point
John Guiffreda* Kent Island High School Attack Loyola University
Bailey Martin Salesianum High School Attack Vermont University
Mikey Wynne** St. Paul's High School Attack Cornell University
Johnny Surdick Dematha High School Defense Army
Ryan Hursey Westminster High School Midfield Georgetown University
Tyler Wasson Glenelg High School Midfield Navy
Greyson Torrain Dematha High School Midfield Navy
Nathan Howard St.Johns High School Midfield Vermont University
Brett Malamphy Arundel High School Midfield UMBC

2015

Carter Flaig St. Paul's School Attack Princeton University
Robert Clark McDonogh School Attack Georgetown University
Sean Carter Mt. St. Joseph HS Attack Mercer University
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/04/13 06:28 PM

Is the Madlax Rock team that is going to the TriLax tournament a U15 or a 2017 team? They are entered in the rising 9th AA bracket. The only team they have listed on their website is U15AA MadLax Rock. If this is the same team that is going to TriLax they are automatically too old. It is supposed to be a rising 9th AA bracket, not a U15 Bracket.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/10/13 05:32 PM

It is my understanding that Madlax Rock U15 AA team is composed of mostly 2017 gradiating players with some 2018. They are therefore mostly rising 9th graders.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/12/13 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is the Madlax Rock team that is going to the TriLax tournament a U15 or a 2017 team? They are entered in the rising 9th AA bracket. The only team they have listed on their website is U15AA MadLax Rock. If this is the same team that is going to TriLax they are automatically too old. It is supposed to be a rising 9th AA bracket, not a U15 Bracket.


Play down much? Shocker....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/12/13 12:49 PM

I think you are assuming the use of multiple "A"'s combined with U15 implies there are rising sophmores on the team.

If the team is mostly 2017 with a few 2018's aren't they in the correct division?


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/12/13 05:35 PM

Interesting Blog from Deadspin

saw this posted somewhere else and had to share
Posted By: CageSage

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/12/13 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting Blog from Deadspin

saw this posted somewhere else and had to share
This is simply an incredible series of e-mails and provides an extreme example of everything that coaching youth sports should not encompass.

Whether this sequence of e-mails has been editted in any form is secondary to some of the language used by Coach Cabell Maddux including:
  • You have no clue how this lacrosse world works. Wow. You have really screwed him. And by the way it is a big deal and I will let every one of his teammates know. His teammates will hate him for years for quitting and playing for a rival club. Trust me on that.
  • If I had any clue which I didn't until right now I would have kicked his butt off the team for not being committed. I dont need Ryan or your craziness. I would much rather work with a kid who is tough and grateful.
  • Hey ungrateful quitter....
    Your former teammates and coaches, who hate you now, can't wait to get a piece of you Saturday when we play vlc.
Surely, this requires more exposure and commentary from the community.
Posted By: CageSage

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/12/13 06:44 PM

Related articles and industry commentary :

Is Cabell Maddux The Bobby Knight of DC LAX? (Warning : Adult Content, Viewer Discretion Advised)

Facebook Deadspin Group Regarding Article
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/15/13 03:26 PM

Really interested in what sort of response is generated from the Madlax organization as well as the individual coach.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/15/13 05:02 PM

I am more interested to see how many players and parents are willing to stay with that organization? The Rock in Baltimore is no better. That merger of clubs was a match made in heaven (or [lacrosse])
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/17/13 12:39 PM

I'm surprised this isn't getting more attention.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/18/13 01:40 PM

If this were a Football or Basketball coach the story would likely be covered on ESPN

I am surprised by the lack of convesation on this topic within the lacrosse community
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/18/13 02:32 PM

I hope he steps away from Youth lacrosse...his partner at Rock isn't much better...that is a program in decline IMO...better options in Maryland (Crab, Breakers, FCA, Greene Turtle)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/18/13 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If this were a Football or Basketball coach the story would likely be covered on ESPN

I am surprised by the lack of convesation on this topic within the lacrosse community


How is it possible that Inside Lacrosse didnt get a hold of this?
Posted By: Madlax Dad

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/19/13 12:48 AM

The only question I have for everyone is how do you react when someone steals $650 or a lot more from you? And when that same person looks you in the eyes several times and lies to you, how would you react? Also this person who lied to your face and stole $650 or more from you, you helped them get there child into a school that turns down 100's of kids and cost 35k a year? I just think all of you would just be smart and not email this parent with your thoughts! But I am sure you all would feel the way he felt. As for him as a person he knows every kid by first and last name from U9 to 2014 teams, He can name each kids streghts and weaknesses. Every kid that comes threw his teams gets better. If you are the type of parent that kisses your kids butts and tell them they are always right and prefect Madlax is not for you. As for the Rock program I have no idea if they are good or bad.
Posted By: CageSage

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/19/13 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
The only question I have for everyone is how do you react when someone steals $650 or a lot more from you?
Madlax Dad, thank you for joining the discussion.

Now, before we start, we will let you know that we strongly disagree with your view - but that is fine. We welcome the different views, so let's begin.

Define steal. Giving or awarding a player a "scholarship", most likely because the kid is a "player", is a decision made to attract the player to remain with the club or to cover family financial shortfalls.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
and lies to you, how would you react?
If you ask me, it would seem that the "club director" did not "know" his players and their families as well as he/she thinks.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
Also this person who lied to your face and stole $650 or more from you, you helped them get there child into a school that turns down 100's of kids and cost 35k a year?
Please stop. The child - an eighth grader - is not getting $35,000 in scholarship money and we still disagree with the steal assertion. At some point, being a coach is about HELPING the player achieve his or her goals, not attaining your own goals as an adult.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
I just think all of you would just be smart and not email this parent with your thoughts! But I am sure you all would feel the way he felt.
As a youth coach for more than a decade, there is nothing - and I mean nothing - that would cause me to write or address a youngster as this e-mail chain indicated.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
As for him as a person he knows every kid by first and last name from U9 to 2014 teams, He can name each kids streghts and weaknesses.
Naming the kids and knowing the kids are different skill sets.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
Every kid that comes threw his teams gets better.
Glad to know that the kids who come through the program improve, but development of a student-athlete extends beyond lacrosse skills.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
If you are the type of parent that kisses your kids butts and tell them they are always right and prefect Madlax is not for you.
This is not about parents coddling their children. This is exclusively about an out-of-control coach that should have known better.

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
As for the Rock program I have no idea if they are good or bad.
"Sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas."
Posted By: Madlax Dad

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/19/13 02:26 AM

I like how you broke down everything I wrote nice work with that. Well as for the cuddling, My understanding is the kid left the program because he was not being told he was great and prefect at all times. I know its hard to tell from the email but Coach does not call the players names and tell them they are bad people. What he does do is point out the faults as they do them. He gets to the point very quickly and clearly. This is how All-Star "futrue All Americans" should be treated. They are told they are great and prefect everywhere they go. And you can see in Pro sports what kids that are told they are great and can do no wrong turn into. I agree in a "Rec" team where kids are not all "egual/ future stars" You have to coach a certain way. I agree Coach lost control in this case and I am sure he agrees he did also. I can tell you as a whole the parents are not going anywhere that are in the program. As for new parents coming to Madlax thats where the club could be hurt.
The steal word was for effect, lets say they cond him out of the money is that better. If they took the $650 and need that money then they really really owe him for getting there kid into that school. If they took the $650 and didnt need the money because they can afford a 35k school thats stealing in my eyes. I am not very smart but I can see how people who do not know the team well and the coach well this looks very very bad. And this story gives people a place to complain threw this story about all the bad coaches they have had over there lives. I can tell you that all the kids at Madlax are safe and everyone can sleep tonight knowing that they are safe and sound.
Posted By: CageSage

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/19/13 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by CageSage
Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse Merges with MadLax Lacrosse

(March, 2013)

Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse and MADLAX recently completed a merger that combines both programs. Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse will operate under the MADLAX National program umbrella, with a goal to develop one of the nation’s strongest and most productive club lacrosse platforms and brands. Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse will keep the Rock name and colors and operate as Madlax-Rock of Baltimore.
Multiple reports circulating in the last 24 hours suggest that Chesapeake Rock Lacrosse have withdrawn from their relationship with the MadLax program.

It is important to note that BOTC has NOT been able to independently confirm the veracity (SAT Word of the Day) of this story nor have we been able to confirm whether the previously posted links were a catalyst (ACT Word of the Day) in the decision.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/19/13 12:41 PM

Madlax Dad: it seems clear that this family took "free" or "discounted" lacrosse from the coach and the program. And it also appears the boy got into a very good school with a very good lacrosse program, at least in part (and perhaps in full) due to the boy's association with the program and the coach's efforts on his behalf. His involvement in the program certainly did not hurt.

I for one agree with the coach when he complained the family was ungrateful. People quit all the time, often for good reasons. And it seems the parents recognized that their son wasn't the next Rabil, which is fair. But what makes them ungrateful is they severed ties in an email to the coach, and did not have the courtesy to speak with him in person. That might have been a scary conversation to have, but sometimes you need to have the courage to face up to that. Moreover, they apparently refused to call the coach after being asked several times to talk. They really did owe the coach and the program more. Had they done so, the results might have been completely different.

And because they controlled the process via email, and chose to ignore requests to talk in person, the parents (inadvertently or otherwise) were setting up someone they likely knew had trouble controlling his emotions. Add to this the fact that only select emails were published from the chain ... we haven't seen the emails from the parents where they are fueling the fire by telling the coach to "Re: Lax" etc. So, they are not innocent in this by a long shot.

That said, an adult simply can't go after a minor like that. Calling people ungrateful might be warranted and true, but the threats cross the line. A coach at any level has to exercise more control over his emotions. While this player and his parents owed him a phone call, the coach owed you guys, your boys, and the organization more restraint and common sense.

Very sorry this played out as it did.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/19/13 01:45 PM

Run from this program as fast as you can. It started with, I can't make practice because of finals and the coach replies with an insane response. They are STUDENTS first. If the parents kept this kid in the program than they are just as bad as the coach. Don't try and spin this on the family that left. This is about an out of control coach/founder that really doesn't care about his players!!!
Posted By: Madlax Dad

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/19/13 05:46 PM

The bottom line is the people in the program will look at this as a hole not this one case. And come up with the best thing from them.
Posted By: Madlax Dad

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/19/13 05:50 PM

Also anyone who says people should run from Madlax, Please name/rank the clubs in Va where these kids should play and for who they should play for at each level. Then we can all take turns bringing up stories about each coach or club until there is no one left to play for.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/20/13 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
Also anyone who says people should run from Madlax, Please name/rank the clubs in Va where these kids should play and for who they should play for at each level. Then we can all take turns bringing up stories about each coach or club until there is no one left to play for.


C'mon dude. Dont defend this disrespectful, manipulative control freak. He is abusive! period! He should step away now. Think Rutgers....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/13 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
Also anyone who says people should run from Madlax, Please name/rank the clubs in Va where these kids should play and for who they should play for at each level. Then we can all take turns bringing up stories about each coach or club until there is no one left to play for.


Blackwolf?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/13 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
Also anyone who says people should run from Madlax, Please name/rank the clubs in Va where these kids should play and for who they should play for at each level. Then we can all take turns bringing up stories about each coach or club until there is no one left to play for.


C'mon dude. Dont defend this disrespectful, manipulative control freak. He is abusive! period! He should step away now. Think Rutgers....


Madlaxdad? No response? Tell us how this coaches actions are different from thosenwe have seen recently in the news. Abuse, intimidation, manipulation. Educators would be fired and prosecuted for this and you want us to sweep it under the rug. Let's hear from you!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/13 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
The only question I have for everyone is how do you react when someone steals $650 or a lot more from you? And when that same person looks you in the eyes several times and lies to you, how would you react? Also this person who lied to your face and stole $650 or more from you, you helped them get there child into a school that turns down 100's of kids and cost 35k a year? I just think all of you would just be smart and not email this parent with your thoughts! But I am sure you all would feel the way he felt. As for him as a person he knows every kid by first and last name from U9 to 2014 teams, He can name each kids streghts and weaknesses. Every kid that comes threw his teams gets better. If you are the type of parent that kisses your kids butts and tell them they are always right and prefect Madlax is not for you. As for the Rock program I have no idea if they are good or bad.


I was hoping you were a parody poster, but clearly you are a Madlax dad. Refuting your points will be like shooting fish in a barrel.

1. Without knowing the exact amount, this family did not STEAL money from the owner. They asked and were granted financial aid, which every club gives. Nobody put a gun to Cabell's head. He chose to give them support, at least partly because the kid can play and help his teams win. Be it a youth club or a school, financial aid is a GIFT that an organization grants because they deem it worthwhile. If someone attends Notre Dame, receives a scholarship, and then transfers, did that family STEAL from the school? Of course not. These kids are not indentured servants. If he left (after the season was over, mind you), that is his right. Most normal human beings would wish them well, perhaps invite them back if they don't find things better elsewhere, etc. That is called being an adult.

2. The kid did not need Cabell's help getting into Landon. Are you kidding me? Landon is going to take a kid who can play regardless of what Maddux would say. Not sure which is funnier - Cabell's assertion that he is responsible for the kid attending Landon, or that you believe it.

3. I would not have handled the situation similarly because I am an adult. If a kid wants to leave, wish him well and don't burn bridges. Everyone is allowed to act in what they think is in their son's best interests.

4. Madlax is a better program now because of VLC. Before VLC was started, Madlax took the DC market for granted. You clearly were not part of the program back then. The teams rarely practiced and the coaching was sporadic. Madlax was forced to improve its offering because their program was gutted by tons of kids leaving for VLC. To your point, the owner often neglected several teams and only focused on the most succesful ones. He made things better because of the competition, although now you have to pay a ridiculous monthly fee which costs you more in the long run and keeps people hostage.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/13 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
I like how you broke down everything I wrote nice work with that. Well as for the cuddling, My understanding is the kid left the program because he was not being told he was great and prefect at all times. I know its hard to tell from the email but Coach does not call the players names and tell them they are bad people. What he does do is point out the faults as they do them. He gets to the point very quickly and clearly. This is how All-Star "futrue All Americans" should be treated. They are told they are great and prefect everywhere they go. And you can see in Pro sports what kids that are told they are great and can do no wrong turn into. I agree in a "Rec" team where kids are not all "egual/ future stars" You have to coach a certain way. I agree Coach lost control in this case and I am sure he agrees he did also. I can tell you as a whole the parents are not going anywhere that are in the program. As for new parents coming to Madlax thats where the club could be hurt.
The steal word was for effect, lets say they cond him out of the money is that better. If they took the $650 and need that money then they really really owe him for getting there kid into that school. If they took the $650 and didnt need the money because they can afford a 35k school thats stealing in my eyes. I am not very smart but I can see how people who do not know the team well and the coach well this looks very very bad. And this story gives people a place to complain threw this story about all the bad coaches they have had over there lives. I can tell you that all the kids at Madlax are safe and everyone can sleep tonight knowing that they are safe and sound.


1. That is not why the kid left the program. But even if that were the case, these families are not slaves. If they choose to leave, they should not have to endure such vitriolic dribble that sounds like it was written by a 13 year old.

2. You are incorrect. There are a lot of families who are bolting for other programs because of this email.

3. Your attempt to defend this email is sad. Are you aware that similar emails/threats were lobbed at other Madlax parents who left the program for other clubs? This is not an isolated incident.

4. Whatever scholarship money was granted to this family is none of our business. As for Landon, how do you know they aren't getting financial assistance for that school as well (as many students there do receive support)?

5. I agree you are not very smart.

6. If you are happy being part of a program that threatens anyone who leaves, that's your call. Many Madlax families are disgusted and embarrassed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/13 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
The bottom line is the people in the program will look at this as a hole not this one case. And come up with the best thing from them.


This program has sent similar emails/threats to others who left for other clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/13 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
Also anyone who says people should run from Madlax, Please name/rank the clubs in Va where these kids should play and for who they should play for at each level. Then we can all take turns bringing up stories about each coach or club until there is no one left to play for.


Blackwolf and VLC both have superior HS programs. And U13 and below, Madlax has the numbers, but that is changing now that people know how this club is run.

And neither club above charges a monthly fee.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/24/13 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
Also anyone who says people should run from Madlax, Please name/rank the clubs in Va where these kids should play and for who they should play for at each level. Then we can all take turns bringing up stories about each coach or club until there is no one left to play for.


VLC much better, Club Blue will be a good squad next year. MAdLax is finished, hearing players are leaving quickly
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/24/13 08:34 PM

Every current MadLax parent we spoke with over the past 2 tournament weekends is returning even with "the email"

Not sure who is running
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/24/13 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Every current MadLax parent we spoke with over the past 2 tournament weekends is returning even with "the email"

Not sure who is running


Keep telling yourself that. Some of them are staying because they don't have the stones to say to their kid, "What this man has done (and done before) is wrong, and we are not going to be associated with it". Others will be trying for other clubs and will bolt if they can make those teams (hence the need to remain silent if they don't make it. And others will try out and see what happens, but don't want to rock the boat just yet.

The fact that you need to poll other parents shows that you are nervous, too. As you should be. That house of cards is about to fall apart. More news is likely coming.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/24/13 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Every current MadLax parent we spoke with over the past 2 tournament weekends is returning even with "the email"

Not sure who is running


This should not be a contest. If you are not "running" then your morals and parenting ability is in question. Why would you stay and subject your kid and yourself to this type of abuse. Cause you want a scholarship?? Sad really!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/25/13 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Every current MadLax parent we spoke with over the past 2 tournament weekends is returning even with "the email"

Not sure who is running


This should not be a contest. If you are not "running" then your morals and parenting ability is in question. Why would you stay and subject your kid and yourself to this type of abuse. Cause you want a scholarship?? Sad really!


You are a bad parent if you want your son to get great coaching an play a sport with his friends? Every club has its issues


As for Landon, my son goes there and having someone vouch for you to get in can help - especially with lacrosse

And no - I have no expectation of my child getting a lacrosse scholarship
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/25/13 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Every current MadLax parent we spoke with over the past 2 tournament weekends is returning even with "the email"

Not sure who is running


This should not be a contest. If you are not "running" then your morals and parenting ability is in question. Why would you stay and subject your kid and yourself to this type of abuse. Cause you want a scholarship?? Sad really!


You are a bad parent if you want your son to get great coaching an play a sport with his friends? Every club has its issues


As for Landon, my son goes there and having someone vouch for you to get in can help - especially with lacrosse

And no - I have no expectation of my child getting a lacrosse scholarship


Every club has it's issues? LOL. Maddux has pissed off people for decades. Look at how he has been fired from every HS job he's ever had.

If you knew anything, you'd know that the kid did not need Maddux to get into Landon. Plenty of other lacrosse people were vouching for him - he didn't need Maddux to do anything. The Bordleys aren't stupid - they know he can play.
Posted By: CageSage

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/25/13 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Every club has it's issues? LOL. Maddux has pissed off people for decades. Look at how he has been fired from every HS job he's ever had.

If you knew anything, you'd know that the kid did not need Maddux to get into Landon. Plenty of other lacrosse people were vouching for him - he didn't need Maddux to do anything. The Bordleys aren't stupid - they know he can play.
BOTC is pleased to know that this discussion is involving participants from Maryland, Washington DC, North Carolina, Virginia, and New [lacrosse]. While this discussion about MadLax lacrosse might be seen as a Maryland "problem" with a Maryland "program", the letters that have been made public should be a cause for pause for parents in every lacrosse program to think about how their student-athletes are being respected.

BOTC has received numerous reports from parents who state that they are in the process of leaving the MadLax program over this national story and the approach of Cabell Maddux towards this player and family. There is no situation in coaching that I have every encountered that can justify this coach's attitude. As a coach on the national and regional levels in soccer, the pressure to have a team perform and to place players with college coaches is strong in both sports, but never could I imagine losing sight of the student-athlete's needs first.
Posted By: Madlax Dad

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/25/13 05:10 PM

The other coaches in the Madlax family are all very good people and coaches. And they all handle themselves with class as I have seen.
I had my son read the emails, He also has read what most of the people out here in the cyber world are saying about his club. And he wants to stay with Madlax 100%. I said what do you think about what coach wrote to this kid and his parents. He said " I am not going to quit when I get yelled at". He also said Maddox yells at all of us but he is always right about what he is yelling. I find it kinda funny that this is all over some bad emails. Yes really bad emails but emails. This world is becoming very soft when we get upset over some harsh emails. No child was punched or push to the ground. My son can handle harsh words you would think some parents could also.
Posted By: CageSage

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/25/13 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Madlax Dad
The other coaches in the Madlax family are all very good people and coaches. And they all handle themselves with class as I have seen.
I had my son read the emails, He also has read what most of the people out here in the cyber world are saying about his club. And he wants to stay with Madlax 100%. I said what do you think about what coach wrote to this kid and his parents. He said " I am not going to quit when I get yelled at". He also said Maddox yells at all of us but he is always right about what he is yelling. I find it kinda funny that this is all over some bad emails. Yes really bad emails but emails. This world is becoming very soft when we get upset over some harsh emails. No child was punched or push to the ground. My son can handle harsh words you would think some parents could also.
As I wrote, I could never imagine not having the student-athlete's interest front and center in my coaching career. Do you believe that the student-athlete's well-being was front and center in the coach's thinking? That is a straight forward "Yes" or "No" question.
Posted By: Madlax Dad

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/25/13 05:26 PM

NO but Maddox is not my sons father I am. It will not kill him or harm him for life to be treated harsh or mean. It will help him deal with life in the real world. Maddox is a D__k I am fine with it. My boss just yelled at me and called me names I am out of here. My high school coach is a real hard A-- I guess I am not playing High School Lacrosse. I guess I am coiming from a Working Class life style and I will never get this new way of handling things.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/25/13 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by CageSage

BOTC has received numerous reports from parents who state that they are in the process of leaving the MadLax program over this national story and the approach of Cabell Maddux towards this player and family. There is no situation in coaching that I have every encountered that can justify this coach's attitude. As a coach on the national and regional levels in soccer, the pressure to have a team perform and to place players with college coaches is strong in both sports, but never could I imagine losing sight of the student-athlete's needs first.


You mention soccer

As a manager of a Region 1 League soccer team I have had the opportunity to be a part of the sidelines while playing the highest level of competition from around the east coast during league play and country during tournaments.

I have heard some of the nastiest words come out of these coaches directed at their players. The only difference is they weren't in an email to be posted on the internet

What Cabel did wasn't right, but there is some over-reaction going on
Posted By: Treslacrosseamig

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/01/13 02:11 AM

Agree about the over reacting. A lot of holier than though, absolutism and judgment going on here. Cabell was wrong no doubt, but there is a lot of madlax baby folks think should be tossed out with the bath water.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/16/13 04:50 PM

Cabel was wrong, but did you ever watch te screaming going on on the VLC sidelines? That program no better, especially now that they were "acquired" by the evil empire...Club Blue seems a great alternative in the Virginia region
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/22/13 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cabel was wrong, but did you ever watch te screaming going on on the VLC sidelines? That program no better, especially now that they were "acquired" by the evil empire...Club Blue seems a great alternative in the Virginia region


Wrong. VLC is a non-profit, whereas the profits of Madlax go into Cabell's pockets. There is no comparison which program is better.

As for screaming, there is no coach in the VLC program that berates players or goes over the line. I don't think Madlax has any, either, although they used to. But when Cabell coaches, he acts like a maniac.

But coaching decorum isn't the issue. Threatening a kid and family just for deciding to leave is indefensible.

As for Club Blue, it is very affordable, but that program has seen a decline in talent. It's not a good option for a VA kid unless your son is going to Prep.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/23/13 12:32 PM

Madlax does not have a single parent as a coach or helping coach there own kid. This is why I do not mind paying the extra money. If my kid gets benched or cut I know it had nothing to do with someones Dad. Also if someone is getting paid to do a job they tend to care a lot more about the job they are doing. High school coaches get paid where is the out rage for that. I would also guess that the madlax coaches get paid around what a high school coach gets paid. Also kids today are treated better then they have ever been treated. So if they get yelled at for a total of 6 hours a week they will live I promise you. These are all-star players they are told there _ _ _ _ does not stink there whole life. Everyone needs to be taken down a bit once in a while.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/13 12:01 AM

We were with three other local clubs prior to madlax, and feel that Madlax is worth the extra money for the following reasons:

Madlax is very organized and well run partly because they have paid full-time employees, and it makes a HUGE difference.

Many of the games are filmed and photographed by a professional photographer.

Great coaches with years of experience, some are head coaches at local private schools, others are graduates from top D1 schools.

The team camp at Catholic University is unique to madlax, and only for madlax players. The price of the camp is half of what you’d pay elsewhere.

When I send an email, I ALWAYS get a prompt response.

When I ask how my son can improve, I receive a three paged email outlining his strengths and weaknesses, and what he can do to improve

Great continuity between teams and age groups - the same team concepts are taught at every level.. When the kids age up and get a new coach, they are already familiar the offense and defense.

Free positional and speed workouts in the fall and winter

There is no team fee, just the monthly charge. Although, the monthly charge may turn out to be slightly more expensive, they are not significantly more compared to seasonal team fees from other clubs.

Free recruiting seminars

Discounted camps and clinics

Direct access and invites to some of the best recruiting camps.

The PP post mentioned there are no parents and affiliations with ANY rec league, and therefore, the Madlax coaches can remain objective. To my knowledge, there aren’t any other clubs that can claim this. Most have local rec coaches (i.e Great Falls, Vienna, Chantilly, etc.) coaching the teams.

At the youth AA level (u9 – u15), every team is competitive, and finished in the top tier of NPYLL (top 5). The next closest club was Next Level with 2 teams in the top 5 and VLC with 1 team in the top 5.

The teams are consistently good each year, at least since we’ve been involved 3 years ago.

When you factor in the workouts, the discounted team camp/ clinics, and the extra attention by full-time employees, we feel we get more for our money at Madlax.

I should also mention, this is not meant to be a comparison of clubs, so please don’t respond with “oh yeah, well my club does x, y, or z.” Since the price of Madlax has been questioned in this forum and others, I’m simply outlining the reasons why, for us, madlax is worth the additional expense.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/29/13 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
We were with three other local clubs prior to madlax, and feel that Madlax is worth the extra money for the following reasons:

Madlax is very organized and well run partly because they have paid full-time employees, and it makes a HUGE difference.

Many of the games are filmed and photographed by a professional photographer.

Great coaches with years of experience, some are head coaches at local private schools, others are graduates from top D1 schools.

The team camp at Catholic University is unique to madlax, and only for madlax players. The price of the camp is half of what you’d pay elsewhere.

When I send an email, I ALWAYS get a prompt response.

When I ask how my son can improve, I receive a three paged email outlining his strengths and weaknesses, and what he can do to improve

Great continuity between teams and age groups - the same team concepts are taught at every level.. When the kids age up and get a new coach, they are already familiar the offense and defense.

Free positional and speed workouts in the fall and winter

There is no team fee, just the monthly charge. Although, the monthly charge may turn out to be slightly more expensive, they are not significantly more compared to seasonal team fees from other clubs.

Free recruiting seminars

Discounted camps and clinics

Direct access and invites to some of the best recruiting camps.

The PP post mentioned there are no parents and affiliations with ANY rec league, and therefore, the Madlax coaches can remain objective. To my knowledge, there aren’t any other clubs that can claim this. Most have local rec coaches (i.e Great Falls, Vienna, Chantilly, etc.) coaching the teams.

At the youth AA level (u9 – u15), every team is competitive, and finished in the top tier of NPYLL (top 5). The next closest club was Next Level with 2 teams in the top 5 and VLC with 1 team in the top 5.

The teams are consistently good each year, at least since we’ve been involved 3 years ago.

When you factor in the workouts, the discounted team camp/ clinics, and the extra attention by full-time employees, we feel we get more for our money at Madlax.

I should also mention, this is not meant to be a comparison of clubs, so please don’t respond with “oh yeah, well my club does x, y, or z.” Since the price of Madlax has been questioned in this forum and others, I’m simply outlining the reasons why, for us, madlax is worth the additional expense.



So you have no problem with the owner threatening his own clients and their kids, eh?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/29/13 06:23 PM

Ok we get it Madlax is whats wrong with youth sports, How much longer must we hear about this Da__n email and how bad our owner is. We get it, now get over it. We are not going anywhere. If you can start a program and have 17 or so teams that play at a very high level please start it today and send me a email. I will be waiting! The owner will not go off on my kid like he did this kid and his family because if we where to quit the team I would walk up to him or call him to let him know we where leaving and explain why we are leaving. Like the adult that I am. I do not tell you how bad it is you are babying your kid.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/29/13 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok we get it Madlax is whats wrong with youth sports, How much longer must we hear about this Da__n email and how bad our owner is. We get it, now get over it. We are not going anywhere. If you can start a program and have 17 or so teams that play at a very high level please start it today and send me a email. I will be waiting! The owner will not go off on my kid like he did this kid and his family because if we where to quit the team I would walk up to him or call him to let him know we where leaving and explain why we are leaving. Like the adult that I am. I do not tell you how bad it is you are babying your kid.


You are an insipid fool. Regardless if the family spoke to him in person, on the phone or via email, nothing justifies a response like that.

This wasn't an isolated episode. He has done the same thing to several other families. Thank God we have Madlax years ago for a better program. Hope you enjoy paying $1,500+ extra dollars a year for that Academy. LOL.
Posted By: CageSage

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/29/13 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok we get it Madlax is whats wrong with youth sports, How much longer must we hear about this Da__n email and how bad our owner is. We get it, now get over it. We are not going anywhere. If you can start a program and have 17 or so teams that play at a very high level please start it today and send me a email. I will be waiting! The owner will not go off on my kid like he did this kid and his family because if we where to quit the team I would walk up to him or call him to let him know we where leaving and explain why we are leaving. Like the adult that I am. I do not tell you how bad it is you are babying your kid.
Back of THE CAGE expanded our coverage into the Mid-Atlantic Region within two weeks of this story having broken. The following post is what we here are BOTC offered to the community upon reading about Cabell Maddux's outburst.

Originally Posted by CageSage Authored Information
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting Blog from Deadspin

saw this posted somewhere else and had to share
This is simply an incredible series of e-mails and provides an extreme example of everything that coaching youth sports should not encompass.

Whether this sequence of e-mails has been editted in any form is secondary to some of the language used by Coach Cabell Maddux including:
  • You have no clue how this lacrosse world works. Wow. You have really screwed him. And by the way it is a big deal and I will let every one of his teammates know. His teammates will hate him for years for quitting and playing for a rival club. Trust me on that.
  • If I had any clue which I didn't until right now I would have kicked his butt off the team for not being committed. I dont need Ryan or your craziness. I would much rather work with a kid who is tough and grateful.
  • Hey ungrateful quitter....
    Your former teammates and coaches, who hate you now, can't wait to get a piece of you Saturday when we play vlc.
Surely, this requires more exposure and commentary from the community.
Now, I personally have coached youth players from the ages of nine through their collegiate careers. In my wildest dreams, I could never have imagined using the following terms in front of a player:
  • "... teammates will hate him ..."
  • "... ungrateful quitter ..."
  • "... hate you now ..."
  • "... can't wait to get a piece of you ..."
Here, this alleged coach just did not SAY these words in the heat of the situation, but actually WROTE these letters to the player and his family.

This is not a "now get over it" situation. This is a serious situation of at least bullying and potentially so much more.

As for the owner not going off on your kid, how do you know?

Worse yet, will you be there to protect him when he does?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/30/13 11:48 AM

So all I keep hearing is he is evil, and the worst person on earth. He is not going to quit and the parents are not going to leave the program. So what is all of you guys end game? When will you let it go? Here is a idea start a new program pay for coaches and save all the poor madlax kids from this evil man. When you get this done my kid will be safe from all harm and name calling for life. Thank you for making the lacrosse world safe.Now I just have to find someone to save my kids from all the other evil mean name calling people out there. Oh wait I can just teach him to man up and deal with life as it comes to you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/30/13 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok we get it Madlax is whats wrong with youth sports, How much longer must we hear about this Da__n email and how bad our owner is. We get it, now get over it. We are not going anywhere. If you can start a program and have 17 or so teams that play at a very high level please start it today and send me a email. I will be waiting! The owner will not go off on my kid like he did this kid and his family because if we where to quit the team I would walk up to him or call him to let him know we where leaving and explain why we are leaving. Like the adult that I am. I do not tell you how bad it is you are babying your kid.


You are an insipid fool. Regardless if the family spoke to him in person, on the phone or via email, nothing justifies a response like that.

This wasn't an isolated episode. He has done the same thing to several other families. Thank God we have Madlax years ago for a better program. Hope you enjoy paying $1,500+ extra dollars a year for that Academy. LOL.


Insipid fool? Wow, way to practice what you appear to expect from others. To which program did you move after "have" Madlax years ago?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/30/13 05:32 PM

I think what is missing here is confirmation that this is real. This forum can be 100% anonymous yet no one has come forward to confirm or deny these allegations.

I think that is suspicious on two fronts. If it is NOT true MadLax specifically Cabel should be screaming foul from the highest hill. If it is TRUE where are the other players who have suffered the same attacks.

This appears to be something requiring a deeper look.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/13 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think what is missing here is confirmation that this is real. This forum can be 100% anonymous yet no one has come forward to confirm or deny these allegations.

I think that is suspicious on two fronts. If it is NOT true MadLax specifically Cabel should be screaming foul from the highest hill. If it is TRUE where are the other players who have suffered the same attacks.

This appears to be something requiring a deeper look.


LOL. It is 100% real. Cabell is laying low (and lawyering up) because he does not want to draw any more attention to it. Nothing was doctored. And yes, other people have received similar threats.

Ask current Madlax parents. They will tell you it is real and they are hoping the entire episode will be forgotten soon.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/04/13 06:08 PM

Well the evil email must not of scared to many kids away from the evil madlax. There was 85 kids at the U13 and somewhere around 65 at the U15 try outs yesterday. Just thought you all would like a update.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/04/13 06:26 PM

All the kids who couldn't make the VLC team
Posted By: CageSage

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/04/13 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well the evil email must not of scared to many kids away from the evil madlax. There was 85 kids at the U13 and somewhere around 65 at the U15 try outs yesterday. Just thought you all would like a update.
Truth be told, BOTC would not want the "evil club" to fold or disband. Why you ask? When clubs fold, the coaches scatter, form new clubs, and pop-up elsewhere with the hope that no one remembers the past.

Unlike other sources, BOTC remembers history and serves as a recording to be played back at any point. With MadLax staying place, it simply means that we do not have to do any work to track down the coaches again!

As for the numbers at tryouts, BOTC simply hopes that all of the parents and players have made an intelligent choice for their own situation.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/06/13 12:31 PM

There is only one coach that you have a problem with not all the coaches. I am aware you are judged by the company you keep but to say that all the coaches in the madlax program are like the owner is way off base and kinda messed up. I would like to invite you out to any madlax practice or game. Then you can come back on here with a informed thought not just hearsay and a bad email by the owner.
Posted By: CageSage

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/06/13 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is only one coach that you have a problem with not all the coaches. I am aware you are judged by the company you keep but to say that all the coaches in the madlax program are like the owner is way off base and kinda messed up. I would like to invite you out to any madlax practice or game. Then you can come back on here with a informed thought not just hearsay and a bad email by the owner.
Since you responded to our BOTC posting, some return thoughts for the community.

(1)BOTC never commented about other coaches in the program. We agree that you are judged by the company you keep.

(2) BOTC has already seen a MadLax performance however thank you for the invitation.

(3) Our opinion is well informed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/07/13 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is only one coach that you have a problem with not all the coaches. I am aware you are judged by the company you keep but to say that all the coaches in the madlax program are like the owner is way off base and kinda messed up. I would like to invite you out to any madlax practice or game. Then you can come back on here with a informed thought not just hearsay and a bad email by the owner.


It was not a "bad email" by the owner. He has said and written similar things to other people in the program who left.

As for coaches, Madlax has several good ones. They've also had ones who were dismissed because of arguing with refs, getting thrown out of games, etc.

Don't minimize this as a "bad email". The fact that you can justify threatening a kid and family is unbelievable.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 10/29/13 03:49 PM

I think there is a difference between over reacting or babying kids, and desiring to play somewhere that your children's interests are more paramount. As for other places to play, Next Level Lacrosse in Bethesda has a lot of players from north VA on their teams. They fell off for a few years but they have some really top notch former college and MLL players that coach their teams now, and they have their own facility to do training in. I've watched their teams play mad lax teams and they may lose to them early in the fall but by the spring they frequently outperform them which suggests superior coaching and training.
Posted By: VaLaxDad

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/22/13 05:17 PM

Next Level is not competitive with the top Madlax teams or others at AA level, Spring or Fall. Its program has fallen off a cliff in terms of talent. Not sure what happened. Kids that used to go to Next Level or Club Blue are now playing for Bethesda. Check standings in the Next Level Fall League or NPYLL (Spring).
Posted By: VaLaxDad

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/22/13 05:27 PM

VLC is not competitive at youth level in WashDC. They seem to be very disorganized, and have inconsistent coaching. In fact, VLC recently entered the U13AA team in the B bracket at the NPYLL Autumn Classic. Again, check the standings of the Next Level Fall League or NPYLL league.

They are strong and well coached at HS, 2017 and older.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/23/13 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think there is a difference between over reacting or babying kids, and desiring to play somewhere that your children's interests are more paramount. As for other places to play, Next Level Lacrosse in Bethesda has a lot of players from north VA on their teams. They fell off for a few years but they have some really top notch former college and MLL players that coach their teams now, and they have their own facility to do training in. I've watched their teams play mad lax teams and they may lose to them early in the fall but by the spring they frequently outperform them which suggests superior coaching and training.


NL is a 2nd rate club these days. They can't field HS teams, and the kids they get are not top caliber. Not sure what Laco is doing out there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/27/13 05:39 PM

With all the negatively around quality in the other area programs, is it the suggestion that people stay with madlax beacause they have nowhere else to go?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/27/13 07:55 PM

That is absolutely correct. VLC has some very good 2015 and 2017 teams, but have been unable to glue it together at the youth levels. They dropped U-11 alltogether this Fall after fits and starts and coaching turnover.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/28/13 05:09 AM

Or, stick with Madlax because it's a great program, with incredibly talented kids, and knowledgable coaches that don't change every season.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/28/13 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is absolutely correct. VLC has some very good 2015 and 2017 teams, but have been unable to glue it together at the youth levels. They dropped U-11 alltogether this Fall after fits and starts and coaching turnover.


Very good? VLC's 2015 and 2017 teams are in the top 3-5 in the country, and indisputably the best in the DC area by a large margin.

Your comment about VLC's youth program is also misleading. Their excellent 2017 team was considered a youth team just a few months ago. VLC's 2016 team was one of the best in the country when they were U15. Their 2018 and 2019/2020 teams are just ok right now, for sure. But just like every club, some years are stronger than others. There also has not been coaching turnover, at least not more than any other club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/28/13 07:54 PM

My comment on the youth teams are spot on. The U-11 program was a debacle that was shut down, and the current U-13 and U-15 teams strain to hang on at the AA brackets, and often play A brackets now to be competitive. Full disclosure: I had a kid play on a VLC U-13 team, he was not one of their best players on a so-so team and we moved to MadLax and are happy.

The VLC 2015 team is terrific, and the VLC 2017 team is too. As U-15s this 2017 VLC team won the Delaware MVP and has some first flight players including four players already weighing ACC offers. They have unquestionably the best attack player, the best midfielder and the best goalie in the area all of whom also go to Landon and are weighing offers from every top D1 program right now, so look out for that high school team in years to come.

But let's not confuse two high school teams with a youth program. At the youth level VLC has some work to do.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/29/13 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My comment on the youth teams are spot on. The U-11 program was a debacle that was shut down, and the current U-13 and U-15 teams strain to hang on at the AA brackets, and often play A brackets now to be competitive. Full disclosure: I had a kid play on a VLC U-13 team, he was not one of their best players on a so-so team and we moved to MadLax and are happy.

The VLC 2015 team is terrific, and the VLC 2017 team is too. As U-15s this 2017 VLC team won the Delaware MVP and has some first flight players including four players already weighing ACC offers. They have unquestionably the best attack player, the best midfielder and the best goalie in the area all of whom also go to Landon and are weighing offers from every top D1 program right now, so look out for that high school team in years to come.

But let's not confuse two high school teams with a youth program. At the youth level VLC has some work to do.


You have a myopic viewpoint based on your son's experience. The VLC 2017 team was terrible two years ago, and that team did a complete 180 in one year. So your opinion is based on the current fortunes of two teams, both of which could be completely different in a season or two. Though you are right that the current VLC youth teams are not worldbeaters, you are examining too small a sample size to make a blanket statement about VLC's youth effort.

Both VLC youth teams are much improved this fall. Given the impact of the Deadspin article and upcoming Washingtonian article about the Madlax founder, expect that trend to continue as the Crabs put more focus on the VLC youth program.

Glad to hear Madlax is going well for your son. I guess the founder's treatment of players (yes, he has done the same thing to many players) doesn't bother you.

As for your assessment about VLC 2017's players, it is not only creepy, but incorrect. To say that all three of them are "weighing offers from every top D1 program right now" is completely false. Further, not all of the players you listed are indisputably the best in the area.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/29/13 03:47 AM

Living in the present, the VLC youth program can not compete with the AA teams. Period. U15 was pounded by Madlax and didn't win a game in the NPYLL tourney. u13 played in the B bracket. Furthermore, if the deadspin article hasn't had an impact on the madlax teams, which judging from how well the teams did this fall (13 winning npyll tourney, u15 and 2017 indisputably still the best team in the area as evidenced by their record), then it's not likely to, nor will an article in the Washingtonian.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/29/13 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Living in the present, the VLC youth program can not compete with the AA teams. Period. U15 was pounded by Madlax and didn't win a game in the NPYLL tourney. u13 played in the B bracket. Furthermore, if the deadspin article hasn't had an impact on the madlax teams, which judging from how well the teams did this fall (13 winning npyll tourney, u15 and 2017 indisputably still the best team in the area as evidenced by their record), then it's not likely to, nor will an article in the Washingtonian.


You have some serious issues. Who keeps up watching the progress of other youth programs?

The NPYLL tournament was a 3 game showcase - there were no winners. I guess you are referring to Cabell's meaningless Fall Fest tournament, one that a Madlax parent said had laughable competition.

Have fun playing meaningless tournaments that line Cabell's pockets.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/29/13 03:40 PM

So quick to judge - for all you know my son plays on VLC.

Hard to argue with cold, hard facts without resorting to insults, isn't it?

NPYLL posted the scores to each game and the WINNERS of each division.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/30/13 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So quick to judge - for all you know my son plays on VLC.

Hard to argue with cold, hard facts without resorting to insults, isn't it?

NPYLL posted the scores to each game and the WINNERS of each division.


Please. We know your son doesn't play for VLC. Hope you enjoy playing for a guy who threatens kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/01/13 12:48 PM

Pots calling kettles black. The owner of the BLC could easily be the topic of this thread about a self interested and mean club lacrosse owner. Basically he collects dues and places his teams only in his own tournaments. Cha ching. He only types the kids who are part of his circle of parents who kneel before him and tell him how great he was and pay $600 a pop three or four times every year to go to his "showcase" events. Cha ching.

These BLC tournaments and showcase events are diluted in terms of college coach attendance for valid reasons. One reason is he is yesterday's beauty queen who goes on thinking he is the it and the now. He only invites other club owners who kneel before him and will do anything to keep his local rivals down (Breakers, FCA). Another reason is quite possibly college coaches have finally figured out there isn't a reason to go to his tournaments or showcases because there are other more organized and all-inclusive venues for top teams and players to play. At the Fall UMD classic and in the Philly tourneys there were possibly over a hundred college coaches attending. At a BLC tournament you have to strain your eyes to count half a dozen, plus the proverbial IL plant journalist who hypes BLC's own in tourney write ups. Second, there is a lot of growth in lacrosse but it ain't in Baltimore. Everyone in that county plays over decades and today you are seeing the best players aspiring to play for other clubs over the Crabs. If you want your kids to have the best chance to play college lacrosse, ten years ago you had no choice but to worship at the BLC altar. Today you are actually better off somewhere else.

Maybe Cabell is a terrible guy and a self interested operator, but it is hardly fair to point this all on MaxLax. There are club lacrosse problems right up the road.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/01/13 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pots calling kettles black. The owner of the BLC could easily be the topic of this thread about a self interested and mean club lacrosse owner. Basically he collects dues and places his teams only in his own tournaments. Cha ching. He only types the kids who are part of his circle of parents who kneel before him and tell him how great he was and pay $600 a pop three or four times every year to go to his "showcase" events. Cha ching.

These BLC tournaments and showcase events are diluted in terms of college coach attendance for valid reasons. One reason is he is yesterday's beauty queen who goes on thinking he is the it and the now. He only invites other club owners who kneel before him and will do anything to keep his local rivals down (Breakers, FCA). Another reason is quite possibly college coaches have finally figured out there isn't a reason to go to his tournaments or showcases because there are other more organized and all-inclusive venues for top teams and players to play. At the Fall UMD classic and in the Philly tourneys there were possibly over a hundred college coaches attending. At a BLC tournament you have to strain your eyes to count half a dozen, plus the proverbial IL plant journalist who hypes BLC's own in tourney write ups. Second, there is a lot of growth in lacrosse but it ain't in Baltimore. Everyone in that county plays over decades and today you are seeing the best players aspiring to play for other clubs over the Crabs. If you want your kids to have the best chance to play college lacrosse, ten years ago you had no choice but to worship at the BLC altar. Today you are actually better off somewhere else.

Maybe Cabell is a terrible guy and a self interested operator, but it is hardly fair to point this all on MaxLax. There are club lacrosse problems right up the road.


Sorry your FCA team doesn't get invited to Crabs tournaments. Get over it.

The stuff you wrote about him in the first two paragraphs isn't true, so I won't bother addressing it. In terms of college matriculation, Crabs 2016 has 8 college D1 commitments. Between VLC and BLC 2016, they have a combined 18 college commitments. The ability of the Crabs and now VLC to get kids in college programs is unparalleled.

But this has nothing to do with the owner of Madlax. He publicly in writing threatened a kid and his parents just because he wanted to leave. Can you really justify that on any level?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/02/13 12:36 PM

Wow, someone attacking Crabs on a Madlax forum who then attacks FCA...What is wrong with lacrosse. In my opinion it is the profit motive. Many clubs no longer have the child's best interest in mind but rather a profit incentive. Some of these clubs hide behind the 501-C non-profit claim but run a parrallel company to collect tournament and camp fees. In the end it is the children who become the pawns...Let the boys be boys, focus on improving the game and stop the name calling and accusations. Parents and players will go to a club that THEY think is best for THEM, doesn't matter anyone else's opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/02/13 12:47 PM

Why must all you people keep pretending that you care what kind of guy the owners of any of these clubs are. All these all-star teams are a two way street. The coaches are using the kids the parents are using the coach/team. Everyone of you dads out there will move your kid from team to team until there kid is one of the top three attackmen or a first line middie. Your sons spend what a min. to 30 mins with these club oweners over the years, who cares what kind of guys they are. When people get on here and bash the other club they are just hoping it makes another dad send the son to there team so they can win more games. People really do not care about emails or coaches being mean.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/03/13 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pots calling kettles black. The owner of the BLC could easily be the topic of this thread about a self interested and mean club lacrosse owner. Basically he collects dues and places his teams only in his own tournaments. Cha ching. He only types the kids who are part of his circle of parents who kneel before him and tell him how great he was and pay $600 a pop three or four times every year to go to his "showcase" events. Cha ching.

These BLC tournaments and showcase events are diluted in terms of college coach attendance for valid reasons. One reason is he is yesterday's beauty queen who goes on thinking he is the it and the now. He only invites other club owners who kneel before him and will do anything to keep his local rivals down (Breakers, FCA). Another reason is quite possibly college coaches have finally figured out there isn't a reason to go to his tournaments or showcases because there are other more organized and all-inclusive venues for top teams and players to play. At the Fall UMD classic and in the Philly tourneys there were possibly over a hundred college coaches attending. At a BLC tournament you have to strain your eyes to count half a dozen, plus the proverbial IL plant journalist who hypes BLC's own in tourney write ups. Second, there is a lot of growth in lacrosse but it ain't in Baltimore. Everyone in that county plays over decades and today you are seeing the best players aspiring to play for other clubs over the Crabs. If you want your kids to have the best chance to play college lacrosse, ten years ago you had no choice but to worship at the BLC altar. Today you are actually better off somewhere else.

Maybe Cabell is a terrible guy and a self interested operator, but it is hardly fair to point this all on MaxLax. There are club lacrosse problems right up the road.


Sorry your FCA team doesn't get invited to Crabs tournaments. Get over it.

The stuff you wrote about him in the first two paragraphs isn't true, so I won't bother addressing it. In terms of college matriculation, Crabs 2016 has 8 college D1 commitments. Between VLC and BLC 2016, they have a combined 18 college commitments. The ability of the Crabs and now VLC to get kids in college programs is unparalleled.

But this has nothing to do with the owner of Madlax. He publicly in writing threatened a kid and his parents just because he wanted to leave. Can you really justify that on any level?


I would argue that many of the Crabs play for the top schools in the area (BL, McDonogh, Gilman, St Pauls) and that the coaches from those schools are the real reason that the players are recruited...keep taking credit and lining your own pocket. More and more the high schools are playing in Summer events, then let's see what the Crabs really offer? Much better options in the Mid Atlantic
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/03/13 08:17 PM

That is a very thoughtful point. Come to think of it, I cannot remember the last tournament where I didn't hear parents from all the MD teams lamenting they were missing kids because they were off playing in another tournament for their high school. Over the Summer that has been a given for a few years. Then we saw it happen a lot this Fall, which shocked me a bit. It leads me to wonder, once your kid is in 9th grade, is club ball soon to be in the past tense? If you go to a BL or a Gilman, those schools can displace the need for clubs if they want to. Based on the economics of the sport (private school tuitions + club fees + showcase events) getting some synergies and savings out of it would be good for the consumer. Bad for the club owners, but who would have a cry on that?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/03/13 09:15 PM

Many of the Club teams in Baltimore are coached by local HS coaches. These coaches want the opportunity to work with the players over the summer and I believe the boys would benefit. If this trend continues it will be the downfall of some clubs. I would imagine the heads of some clubs would force players to make a decision, club or HS. We've already seen one club not allow players to participate in Rec lacrosse while most embrace it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/18/14 10:56 PM

2014 Fall Tryout Schedule for this weekend. Complete schedule at http://capital.madlax.com/fall2014season

Tryouts Schedule (subject to changes & additions):
8/23 Saturday (location: McLean HS Turf)
2022/23 (4th & 5th graders this fall) from 12-1:30
2020/21 (6th & 7th graders this fall) from 1:30-3pm
2019 (8th graders this fall) from 3-4:30pm
2018 (9th graders this fall) from 4:30-6pm
2017 & 2016 & 2015 (10th, 11th, 12th graders this fall) from 6-8pm

8/24 Sunday (location: Marymount)
2024/25 (2nd & 3rd Graders this fall) from 10-11:30
2022/23 (4th & 5th graders this fall) from 11:30-1pm
2020/21 (6th & 7th graders this fall) from 1-2:30pm
2019 (8th graders this fall) from 2:30-4pm
2018 (9th graders this fall) from 4-5:30pm
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/19/14 10:02 PM

Saw this on the Looney's thread. it belongs here:
There are 3 strong clubs in DC area: Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf. Madlax is the best top to bottom. Period.

Real Madlax youth stats: 23-10 at all AA levels in Spring NPYLL. [That's a 70% win percentage BTW (23/33=.6969)]. Then dig a little deeper--U15AAA at 7-2 and U13AAA at 8-1. Losses only to Crabs and Hawks, Baltimore and Annapolis teams respectively. Pretty good by my standards, and best teams at this critical age in Washington DC. To be fair, Baltimore Crabs are still better top to bottom, but gap is closing. As a Baltimore club, Crabs are not a real option for us DC parents. Hawks (Annapolis) were awesome this past year, particularly at youth, but again too far for most DCers.

The Madlax U15 team won [lacrosse]'s national title at Christmas (U13 at the time) and the current Madlax U13 team won the World Championship in Denver this July. Look it up, and confirm. The U13 team won 4 out of 5 tournaments this summer, losing in finals at Young Gunz to a loaded Dukes team. This team has lost only 2 games since it was formed in Fall of 2013 and is clearly one of the best, if not #1 U13 team in country (sorry LI). Won Next Level Fall League, all 3 Fall Tournaments, 2nd in Spring League after losing to Crabs in final by a goal. 2-1 versus the Crabs, after beating them in fall NPYLL championship and in Young Gunz this Summer. There isn't a youth team in DC that can compete with these teams. In fact, VLC enters its U13 in B brackets to avoid Madlax, haters check Fall NPYLL and Summer Greene Turtle before responding. As you may know, Blackwolf doesn’t do youth, VLC only u11, and Madlax .500 at U9 and U11, although the Madlax U11’s had a great summer.

Madlax will continue to be stronger at 2018, as rising Freshmen will be the U15 AAA moving up -- including first 2018 commit nationally (to JHU). Go watch them play – a very skilled and entertaining group. VLC not is same zip code and Blackwolf is a big question mark following rumors of Trig’s relocation to Texas.

U15AAA will be best team in youth lacrosse in Washington DC, as it will be rising U13’s. Players are getting tremendous national exposure. Google them if you doubt me. VLC will continue to avoid this team.

Madlax is also very strong at 2017, as is VLC to be fair. Madlax stronger at 2016, VLC at 2015. Blackwolf is a ?? at these levels for me, although awesome reputation. Will it continue with Trig out at Saint Stephens? Going to Texas? As VLC’s really strong senior team of Madlax defectors dwindles, it will be left with 1 good team, at 2017. While there are repeated efforts by its coaches, VLC has been unsuccessful at recruiting Madlax players at other levels.

While change is constant, Madlax has consistently been the top program in the Washington DC area
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/14 01:49 AM

I would say Madlax looks better for the older kids (2020 -2018), but Bethesda's young kids are definitely better (2023-2021). Club Blue and Next Level have some really good groups also.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/14 12:01 PM

to all MD parents, I ask that you go to the FO petition and sign. While I am from LI and we certainly have our differences, I ask that you join the movement and keep the game progressing rather than moving backwards.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/14 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
to all MD parents, I ask that you go to the FO petition and sign. While I am from LI and we certainly have our differences, I ask that you join the movement and keep the game progressing rather than moving backwards.


Moving forward is what the rule change is doing!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/14 01:53 PM

Having one kid win 90% of faceoffs with the wings not having a chance to get involved at all is not progressing.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/14 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Having one kid win 90% of faceoffs with the wings not having a chance to get involved at all is not progressing.



Agreed 100%
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/14 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would say Madlax looks better for the older kids (2020 -2018), but Bethesda's young kids are definitely better (2023-2021). Club Blue and Next Level have some really good groups also.


U11 Madlax team didn't lose a game this past summer (18 - 0)

Not sure which CB or NL teams would be considered really good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/14 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would say Madlax looks better for the older kids (2020 -2018), but Bethesda's young kids are definitely better (2023-2021). Club Blue and Next Level have some really good groups also.


U11 Madlax team didn't lose a game this past summer (18 - 0)

Not sure which CB or NL teams would be considered really good.


Madlax Ull in NPYLL - 5-2, Bethesda U11 in NPYLL 7-0. (Edge to Bethesda) Club Blue Ull 2-4 in NPYLL. Next Level did not field a U11AA team.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/14 03:41 PM



U11 Madlax team didn't lose a game this past summer (18 - 0)

[/quote]

After the the NYPLL season ended and they picked up additional players, which helped them greatly..
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/14 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Having one kid win 90% of faceoffs with the wings not having a chance to get involved at all is not progressing.



Agreed 100%


You poor, poor stupid people, it is a D-1 rule change (potentially) the best guy in the country only won 70%. It has been around 70% for the last 20 years, long before pinch and pop. It is a safety isse...Pay attention to the details, it is how you can form real thoughts...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/14 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


U11 Madlax team didn't lose a game this past summer (18 - 0)



After the the NYPLL season ended and they picked up additional players, which helped them greatly.. [/quote]

"Guest" players?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/14 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


U11 Madlax team didn't lose a game this past summer (18 - 0)


After the the NYPLL season ended and they picked up additional players, which helped them greatly..


Are you saying players left their spring team to play on ML's summer team?

Looking at the posted roster, the spring and summer teams look essentially the same except for 2 players
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/14 02:07 PM

It was essentially the same Madlax U11AA team from the Spring. A few new players helped, but the big difference was that the team improved. Improvement is what you want, so the summer was a positive result for the team and the players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/14 02:09 PM

Who cares about U11? It's youth lacrosse. Any adult who is obsessed enough to record the win/loss record of a youth team (let alone a U11 team), needs to get a grip on reality.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/14 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares about U11? It's youth lacrosse. Any adult who is obsessed enough to record the win/loss record of a youth team (let alone a U11 team), needs to get a grip on reality.


At what age is it OK to care?
Some U13 kids are getting scouted by college coaches so is that when the switch gets turned on to care?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/14 02:58 PM

Look at the little league World Series. 11 year olds on Espn constantly and even made the cover of SI. Like it or not, America cares about youth sports.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/14 03:14 PM

Looks like MadLax had a great Summer. Not parent here but why the hate? They lost two games by 1 goal to Hawks in NPYLL and then beat Hawks by 1 goal twice in Summer. They beat a surprisingly strong Charlotte team by 1 goal (that had beaten the Hawks). Madlax might not have beaten Bethesda or Igloo, but the parents can be proud of their kids, who I'm sure had fun and made great memories. It's better when it's not easy. Someone said Madlax strong 2020 and up, and I think poster was right to suggest at least 2021 and up.

If the point is parents should keep youth sports and scores and "whose team is better" in perspective and behave better on the sidelines, hopefully we can all agree on that. I'd argue that parents should keep getting a 25% scholarship to a top 10 school in perspective as well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/22/14 01:01 AM

How many holdbacks on team... if a bunch not so impressive..if none very impressive as hawks and Bethesda are grade based teams like year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/22/14 01:58 AM

Madlax, you will struggle to be taken seriously in Baltimore as long as you add players from elsewhere to your summer club teams. For instance, your 2019 team at fl$ in 3d (all 28 of them)did not resemble your NPYLL team in any way.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/22/14 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax, you will struggle to be taken seriously in Baltimore as long as you add players from elsewhere to your summer club teams. For instance, your 2019 team at fl$ in 3d (all 28 of them)did not resemble your NPYLL team in any way.


That's just an asinine statement.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/22/14 03:39 AM

Madlax has a lot of kids in the youth pipeline, but the best typically peel off for other clubs once they reach HS age.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/22/14 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax, you will struggle to be taken seriously in Baltimore as long as you add players from elsewhere to your summer club teams. For instance, your 2019 team at fl$ in 3d (all 28 of them)did not resemble your NPYLL team in any way.


Madlax 2019's did not play in fl$ in 3d! No wonder they did not look like the NPYLL team
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/22/14 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many holdbacks on team... if a bunch not so impressive..if none very impressive as hawks and Bethesda are grade based teams like year.


U11 team - half of the team was actually 2022 and most of those would still qualify for U11 this year
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/22/14 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many holdbacks on team... if a bunch not so impressive..if none very impressive as hawks and Bethesda are grade based teams like year.


U11 team - half of the team was actually 2022 and most of those would still qualify for U11 this year

ALL 2022's should still qualify for U11 this year
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/22/14 01:12 PM

Read the Deadspin article about the owner of this program. He's a maniac.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/22/14 02:11 PM

Old news...move on.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/22/14 03:54 PM

Didnt ask how many were 2022. asked how many were holdbacks. a 2022 holdback last year was a second year U11 which many grade based teams had last year. If you had 2022 holdbacks along with 2021 holdbacks then Madlax had a mainly older players along with too old for U11 players. That is what the better 5th grade based teams had last year. Of course the more you had the the better you were. Most of the better age based teams had a more second year U11 players than first...of course they were the right age for U11.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/22/14 05:23 PM

Grade based is where you see holdbacks, genius. Last year all Madlax youth teams were age based, u9, u11, u13, u15 on USL standards. NPYLL, at Crabs and Hawks insistence, is going grade based so Madlax is changing this year to grade based teams
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/22/14 08:13 PM

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/22/14 08:40 PM

Sorry Genius ..Madlax was far from only age based last year. Try again. Personally talked to a Madlax parent who pointed out two players to old to play at the right age. Known parent two years, no need to lie to me. Nice try Genius.. Who are you Cabell the same guy who lies about young players
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/22/14 09:50 PM

Madlax youth teams played in multiple "birth certificate" tournaments last year. U15 won [lacrosse]'s. U13 won the World Games tournament. Both required proof of age. Madlax publishes its rosters for those teams on the web site. Are you saying Madlax parents forge birth certificates to play in those tournaments?

Also, if Madlax cheated, it would be very obvious as virtually all of the kids on Madlax play on age-based rec teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/23/14 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didnt ask how many were 2022. asked how many were holdbacks. a 2022 holdback last year was a second year U11 which many grade based teams had last year. If you had 2022 holdbacks along with 2021 holdbacks then Madlax had a mainly older players along with too old for U11 players. That is what the better 5th grade based teams had last year. Of course the more you had the the better you were. Most of the better age based teams had a more second year U11 players than first...of course they were the right age for U11.


This really makes no sense - U11 means U11

All of the kids on the U11 team met the age based requirements to play U11 - unless of course parents lied on the application.

You must be some FUZE parent that thinks his kid plays for a good club
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/23/14 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax, you will struggle to be taken seriously in Baltimore as long as you add players from elsewhere to your summer club teams. For instance, your 2019 team at fl$ in 3d (all 28 of them)did not resemble your NPYLL team in any way.


Madlax 2019's did not play in fl$ in 3d! No wonder they did not look like the NPYLL team


This must be in reference to Young Gunz, not fl$. The Madlax "National " U13AAA team played in Young Gunz. The local U13AAA team lost to Crabs in NPYLL but the "National" team beat Crabs in Young Gunz.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/23/14 01:10 AM

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. U11 is U11 Wow real insight. But 2021 which is a U11 team supposedly ..but if without age restrictions does not mean anything except you need a graduation year of 2021. Take it to a extreme you could have been held back 3 times and be able to play on a U15 age based team but still be on a 2021 grade team.

Man you Madlax parents really are sensitive.. It was a simple question about holdbacks and you Madlax parents have turned it into something else.... Oh and what is Madlax this year grade base or age base .....oh thats right Grade base .....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/23/14 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. U11 is U11 Wow real insight. But 2021 which is a U11 team supposedly ..but if without age restrictions does not mean anything except you need a graduation year of 2021. Take it to a extreme you could have been held back 3 times and be able to play on a U15 age based team but still be on a 2021 grade team.

Man you Madlax parents really are sensitive.. It was a simple question about holdbacks and you Madlax parents have turned it into something else.... Oh and what is Madlax this year grade base or age base .....oh thats right Grade base .....


Relax. The topic of reclasses is controversial from 8th grade and up because of the unfair advantage it gives kids when it comes to recruiting. No one cares about kids younger than that and I doubt it's even that prevalent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/23/14 12:30 PM

Really...You must be out of the Md/Dc/Va club world then. Almost ALL Club teams went grade based this year for what reason???
It had been age based on USL guidelines up until then. The USL guideline matched school registration for the grade. Why the need to change. Main reason was to accommodate CHILDREN under 15 down to 9 who had been held back. If it wasnt prevalent then Crabs, Hawks, Madlax now, etc would not have gone grade base. They used to ALL be age based until HS level teams ????. Frankly at the youth level in many tournaments it was in many tournaments last year . This year youth holdbacks will be in ALL tournaments. No one cares about parents cheating the system with their children????????.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/23/14 12:37 PM

Here is what USL representative had to say about grade based Lacrosse trend last month in another forum discussing grade based vs age based teams .

""""" The problem with grade-based segmentation in youth sports is, of course, that it's not in the best interests of kids. The different rates of physical and cognitive development at each age varies widely so, in contact sport like boys' lacrosse, it's simply not safe to allow kids of such varying ages and development levels to compete against each other. Nor does it reinforce the fundamental principles of fair play and fun that are essential to player retention in youth sports. Allowing the club "system" and associated recruiting events to determine what's best for your child is not only a clear conflict of interest...it's a tremendous abdication of responsibility by the primary consumers of a child's lacrosse experience - parents """""""""""""

Most people agree with him except the chosen ones and their supporters who like to have children play against younger children to get an advantage they couldn't have going against same age children..But of course only they are allowed it as they had the forethought to hold their children back.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/23/14 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really...You must be out of the Md/Dc/Va club world then. Almost ALL Club teams went grade based this year for what reason???
It had been age based on USL guidelines up until then. The USL guideline matched school registration for the grade. Why the need to change. Main reason was to accommodate CHILDREN under 15 down to 9 who had been held back. If it wasnt prevalent then Crabs, Hawks, Madlax now, etc would not have gone grade base. They used to ALL be age based until HS level teams ????. Frankly at the youth level in many tournaments it was in many tournaments last year . This year youth holdbacks will be in ALL tournaments. No one cares about parents cheating the system with their children????????.


Sorry, having a very difficult time following your incoherent, broken english, but in the DC market this is not a big issue. There may be one or two kids that were held back in kindergarten for developmental reasons, but generally parents aren't doing this to cheat the system. In fact, most VA/DC kids don't even start playing lacrosse until later. Furthermore, the kids that are big for their age, even if age appropriate, tend to play up a grade until 8th grade when they are no longer allowed to...

The bigger problem is kids repeating 8th grade for sports and reclassing to gain an advantage in the recruiting process - that, in my opinion, is cheating the system.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/23/14 02:30 PM

Baltimore has many children held back after kindergarten. It is at all the private schools. They even have a seperate grade for it as the children have already gone thru kindergarten. It is called pre-first. The class sizes vary every year but ALL the big sports private schools have them. I know that one year there were 22 boys in pre-first at ONE private school.
I cant imagine that Landon, Georgetown Prep, etc arent seeing this trend and doing nothing. I read a article on Matrie Dei and holding back kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/23/14 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. U11 is U11 Wow real insight. But 2021 which is a U11 team supposedly ..but if without age restrictions does not mean anything except you need a graduation year of 2021. Take it to a extreme you could have been held back 3 times and be able to play on a U15 age based team but still be on a 2021 grade team.

Man you Madlax parents really are sensitive.. It was a simple question about holdbacks and you Madlax parents have turned it into something else.... Oh and what is Madlax this year grade base or age base .....oh thats right Grade base .....


Madlax fought the grade based system in NPYLL and lost. The Crabs won

BUT, last year they were age based and you keep talking about holdbacks which really makes no sense

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/23/14 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. U11 is U11 Wow real insight. But 2021 which is a U11 team supposedly ..but if without age restrictions does not mean anything except you need a graduation year of 2021. Take it to a extreme you could have been held back 3 times and be able to play on a U15 age based team but still be on a 2021 grade team.

Man you Madlax parents really are sensitive.. It was a simple question about holdbacks and you Madlax parents have turned it into something else.... Oh and what is Madlax this year grade base or age base .....oh thats right Grade base .....


Madlax fought the grade based system in NPYLL and lost. The Crabs won

BUT, last year they were age based and you keep talking about holdbacks which really makes no sense




Untrue. Madlax has a ton of holdbacks on their rosters. They did not protest moving to a grade-based system.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/23/14 11:45 PM

Madlax had plenty of holdbacks last year. This year they will have more. They want to compete with the other AA teams . Only way is with older kids lining up against the Crabs, hawks, etc, older kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/14 01:21 PM

""""""""""Sorry, having a very difficult time following your incoherent, broken english, but in the DC market this is not a big issue. There may be one or two kids that were held back in kindergarten for developmental reasons, but generally parents aren't doing this to cheat the system. In fact, most VA/DC kids don't even start playing lacrosse until later. Furthermore, the kids that are big for their age, even if age appropriate, tend to play up a grade until 8th grade when they are no longer allowed to"""""""

Apparently you were able to follow it enough to give a response jerk. DC/Va private schools are just starting to catch up to Baltimore/Annapolis private schools. According to you 8th grade is issue with DC/Va and to lessor extent kindergarten. Bet that changes in next few years to compete better if it hasn't already....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/14 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. U11 is U11 Wow real insight. But 2021 which is a U11 team supposedly ..but if without age restrictions does not mean anything except you need a graduation year of 2021. Take it to a extreme you could have been held back 3 times and be able to play on a U15 age based team but still be on a 2021 grade team.

Man you Madlax parents really are sensitive.. It was a simple question about holdbacks and you Madlax parents have turned it into something else.... Oh and what is Madljax this year grade base or age base .....oh thats right Grade base .....


Madlax fought the grade based system in NPYLL and lost. The Crabs won

BUT, last year they were age based and you keep talking about holdbacks which really makes no sense




Untrue. Madlax has a ton of holdbacks on their rosters. They did not protest moving to a grade-based system.


Dude, you must be posting from Colorado, since you are clearly high. Madlax rosters are available on their website. Their cannot be holdbacks in an age based system
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/14 12:47 AM

This year it will be interesting for DC/Va teams. Since according to Madlax parent young holdbacks are not in vogue in DC/VA. Madlax without any holdbacks will be at a clear disadvantage going against Balt/Annapolis teams as they all will have many holdbacks on their teams, Crabs,Hawks,Breakers,etc. Time to drop down to B in all tournaments and leagues???
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/14 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Having one kid win 90% of faceoffs with the wings not having a chance to get involved at all is not progressing.



Agreed 100%


You poor, poor stupid people, it is a D-1 rule change (potentially) the best guy in the country only won 70%. It has been around 70% for the last 20 years, long before pinch and pop. It is a safety isse...Pay attention to the details, it is how you can form real thoughts...


Us poor stupid people can see that on his way to an overall 70% win percentage, the best guy in the country (Massa) had games where he won 100%, 95%, 87%, 86%, and 85% of the faceoffs. It's rules that allow games like those that make us call for changes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/14 10:49 AM

Well Madlax might not have tons of hold backs but this Falls 2019 team is going to be able to beat/play with anyone. Just looking at helmets at tryouts there are kids from up to 5 other clubs in the area trying out for the team. So much for the "CRAZY" email scaring all the people away.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/14 03:42 PM

You're right. There is nothing wrong with a grown man threatening kids and their families just for leaving. When your son gets to HS and the better kids flee for other programs, they'll get the same type of threats.

But as long as it's not your kid, it's ok, right?

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/14 05:43 PM

That will not happen to my kid because if we leave I will be a MAN and call the club and let them know my choice to play for another club. I would never quit a job with out a 2 weeks notice and I would never leave a club with out talking to the team first. Also grow a pair and go after someone that is breaking a law not just being mean.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/14 06:02 PM

Oh, tough Madlax guy is back and tougher than ever!

Just to be clear, you think Cabell is just "being mean" when he threatens a kid and his family?

Do you know the kind of phone calls and emails Cabell has sent other people who dared to leave his club? This email was not a one time thing.

Regardless if it's an email or phone call, how can you justify that kind of behavior? Why do you think other clubs and parents laugh at Madlax?

Hope you're enjoying spending $1,200 extra a year just to the privilege of being "Madlax for life".
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/14 06:20 PM

I hope you injoy trying and trying and trying and trying to bring this topic up. And people keep showing up to play for this evil evil man. I agree the emails and phone calls are bad. He looks like a fool when he does it. Why should people care how he acts when you are leaving? You got your Blackwolf or VLC spot let him email away as you find a better place. He is using us and we all are using these clubs everyone is the bad guy in this. Stop trying to act like this world is so clean and pure. Play for your rec and high school teams if you do not want to play in the crazy world of Travel ball.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/14 06:36 PM

What do you think of the fact that Madlax actually charges hundreds of dollars a month to help Madlax kids get recruited? I've never ever heard of any other club squeezing its parents the way Madlax does.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/14 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do you think of the fact that Madlax actually charges hundreds of dollars a month to help Madlax kids get recruited? I've never ever heard of any other club squeezing its parents the way Madlax does.


Dear VLC Parent- why don't you try some verifiable facts instead of your garbage opinions? Break down the costs of local clubs? Madlax is right in line, but that doesn’t serve your (jealous) purpose, does it?

Keep on spewing nonsense and getting slayed on the field. BTW, find a coach yet?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/14 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do you think of the fact that Madlax actually charges hundreds of dollars a month to help Madlax kids get recruited? I've never ever heard of any other club squeezing its parents the way Madlax does.


Dear VLC Parent- why don't you try some verifiable facts instead of your garbage opinions? Break down the costs of local clubs? Madlax is right in line, but that doesn’t serve your (jealous) purpose, does it?

Keep on spewing nonsense and getting slayed on the field. BTW, find a coach yet?


Not a VLC parent, but the post is true. I can't believe they actually charge $200 a month to do what other clubs do for free.

http://capital.madlax.com/page/show/762677-college-recruiting-consulting

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 05:31 AM

Results from Madlax Fall Fest

2024 - Madlax 2024-25 Orange 10 over Bethesda LC 2024 Blue 9
2023 - Cannons Select U11B 12 over FCA MD U11B - Kasemeyer 3
2022 - Madlax Capital 2022-23 Orange 7 over Next Level 2022 4
2021 - Kooper's Lacrosse Club 2021 6 over Cannons Select U13B 5
2020 - Madlax Capital 2020-21 Orange 4 over Next Level 2020 3
2019A/B - Cannons Select U15 7 over Bethesda LC 2019 2
2019AA - Madlax Capital 2019 Orange 7 over BucksMont North Stars 6

Good day for Madlax at their own tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 11:55 AM

That is because Madlax can only attract cupcakes to that event. Embarrassing that he makes his kids attend that event only to beat up on terrible clubs. Madlax parents tell me it is one of the worst things about Madlax - having to play an extra tournament or two of meaningless games just to pad the guy's pocket.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 12:23 PM

Man its so hard to be so good that they beat up on some teams. For one day at a field less then 40 mins from all of the Madlax kids houses. I was there all day and watched lots of the games, there was some soild lacrosse being played on all fields. Tournaments like this one help Madlax as a program. When these smaller start up clubs come to these tournaments and there players get to see what a top level club looks like and plays like. There parents use the same website to sign up for tryouts in the spring. And Madlax gets a handfull of players becasue they where able to see or play Madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is because Madlax can only attract cupcakes to that event. Embarrassing that he makes his kids attend that event only to beat up on terrible clubs. Madlax parents tell me it is one of the worst things about Madlax - having to play an extra tournament or two of meaningless games just to pad the guy's pocket.


I would not call Bethesda or FCA cupcakes-they are generally really good top to bottom. Koopers and Cannons also have very strong teams at different ages. There were some 'easy' wins in this tournament, but those championship games were all tough teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 01:36 PM

These are kids young as 4th grade 9 year olds. What parent would trash that? Madlax runs some local tournaments with local teams and these kids are playing the game and having fun with their teammates and friends. Those smiles are worth it to me as a parent. Crabs and FCA parents need to calm down.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 01:49 PM

You are so correct there is never a blow out in the NFL. All the games are 3 point nail bitters. What a waste of time to play other kids at new spots and try to run new plays. Man and also we never drive a hour and a half to play a game in the NPYLL season for a game to be 10-2. Good thing Madlax teams didnt play 4 games in 7 hours close to home. That was such a waste of time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 02:33 PM

Clearly some U9 and U11 Madlax parents. There is a honeymoon phase where it's so exciting to play in 5 tournaments a season. After a couple of years, you'll realize why top clubs don't play that many tournaments - because it's unnecessary and only goes to the bottom line of the club.

There's a reason why Madlax youth teams are much better than their HS teams. Kids leave after 8th because they realize the options are much better (and much cheaper). You'll see eventually, just like everyone else. Until then, hope you enjoy playing $100 a month just for the right to be part of an "academy".
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 03:03 PM

I think the correct answer is 4 tournaments a season. And for the kids leaving in high school. Where is this magical club they go to. Or is it there Private high school they play for? And it makes sense to spread out the talent when you get to high school. Its not about winning the tournmanet at that age. Its about being seen and having the most time on the field as you can get. And looking at the kids from Madlax going to college to play lacrosse I think they are doing what they say the do. As for the money, really no one on this page or in this Lacrosse world really cares about the money they spend. Thats why they can charge it. Relax and go play VLC and Blackwolf and pay close to the same anyway. But injoy bashing Madlax for being the steady safe bet program for the DMV.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
These are kids young as 4th grade 9 year olds. What parent would trash that? Madlax runs some local tournaments with local teams and these kids are playing the game and having fun with their teammates and friends. Those smiles are worth it to me as a parent. Crabs and FCA parents need to calm down.


What do Crabs and FCA parents have to do with this?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 04:35 PM

Everything. No Madlax poster can even put up a youth game score without the FCA and VLC bullies trying to berate it. At some point aren't these rival programs embarrassed for themselves? No wait, here's the link to the ungrateful quitter bleacher story.......
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 04:35 PM

So madlax 2017 beats a westcoaststarz team that blackwolf couldn't even score a single goal against and yet somehow blackwolf is a more competitive program. Then there is vlc that goes to quakerfest and gets beat by the li outlaws. Dont think in the history of madlax they have ever lost to the outlaws. Man, vlc really took a bad turn after losing a few kids over the summer, and please dont use the missing player excuse. Every team playing this weekend was missing players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everything. No Madlax poster can even put up a youth game score without the FCA and VLC bullies trying to berate it. At some point aren't these rival programs embarrassed for themselves? No wait, here's the link to the ungrateful quitter bleacher story.......


Not sure Crabs or FCA care about Madlax at all. D.C. is a completely different market area. Very odd and goofy comments on your part. Glad the kids did well in their tourney.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 05:46 PM

Yes the people who hate Madlax live near Madlax. They are the VLC and Blackwolf parents also throw in the parents of kids that where cut from Madlax. Like kids on Fuze/3d, Freedom, Cav. and Battlelax. I am sure I missed a few. And I say other clubs please fight and claw to be good. My son could get cut any day from Madlax. I will need a team for him to play on.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 06:26 PM

Madlax dads and moms are insane. Just like the owner.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 07:47 PM

In DC area, Madlax is now so strong, and trending upward that the best players are flocking to the program. The only hope VLC or Blackwolf have is to bash Madlax. 2017 on down, esp. 2018 and 2019, VLC does not compete, so they tear down. Being the Crabs ugly stepsister is not enough to draw good players, esp. with 3d now on the scene. As for Blackwolf, it may be on life support. Teams have fallen off a cliff, rumors that Trig is going to Texas, no natural youth feeder program now that SSSAS connection broken. Choice? Tear apart Madlax, the top team.
Parents, do yourself and your kids a favor, invest in their skills and conditioning and try out for Madlax. Your kid will thank you
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/05/14 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
In DC area, Madlax is now so strong, and trending upward that the best players are flocking to the program. The only hope VLC or Blackwolf have is to bash Madlax. 2017 on down, esp. 2018 and 2019, VLC does not compete, so they tear down. Being the Crabs ugly stepsister is not enough to draw good players, esp. with 3d now on the scene. As for Blackwolf, it may be on life support. Teams have fallen off a cliff, rumors that Trig is going to Texas, no natural youth feeder program now that SSSAS connection broken. Choice? Tear apart Madlax, the top team.
Parents, do yourself and your kids a favor, invest in their skills and conditioning and try out for Madlax. Your kid will thank you



This is a cry for help. Seriously, Mr. Stewart - get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/06/14 12:47 AM

Low blow Ms. Beckwith, and ditto advice.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/06/14 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Results from Madlax Fall Fest

2024 - Madlax 2024-25 Orange 10 over Bethesda LC 2024 Blue 9
2023 - Cannons Select U11B 12 over FCA MD U11B - Kasemeyer 3
2022 - Madlax Capital 2022-23 Orange 7 over Next Level 2022 4
2021 - Kooper's Lacrosse Club 2021 6 over Cannons Select U13B 5
2020 - Madlax Capital 2020-21 Orange 4 over Next Level 2020 3
2019A/B - Cannons Select U15 7 over Bethesda LC 2019 2
2019AA - Madlax Capital 2019 Orange 7 over BucksMont North Stars 6

Good day for Madlax at their own tournament.

How was the 2020 competition?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/06/14 03:49 AM

Madlax does it right. Take it fom a looneys parent
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/06/14 11:12 AM

We like Madlax tournaments for our kids club teams, local and we'll run. No excuses for Maddox but the one episode he made mistakes sending emails and appears to have learned from it. The family that left and then leaked that to the media were well known then and now for behaving selfish and also behaving badly to use people. Cabell did a lot to develop and promote that kid, and it worked well for him to get into a prep school and get committed early for lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/06/14 12:19 PM

Cannons 11u playing B really?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/06/14 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
We like Madlax tournaments for our kids club teams, local and we'll run. No excuses for Maddox but the one episode he made mistakes sending emails and appears to have learned from it. The family that left and then leaked that to the media were well known then and now for behaving selfish and also behaving badly to use people. Cabell did a lot to develop and promote that kid, and it worked well for him to get into a prep school and get committed early for lacrosse.


Sorry, Mom, but it was not an isolated incident. He has said/emailed the same threats to many families who dared to leave.

Your justification of his behavior is pathetic. Blaming that family for the threats they received? LOL.

Good to know that you can sleep at night giving money to a thug like that. This is why none of the other clubs respect Madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/06/14 01:48 PM

Take this from a parent with an older kid...the DC lacrosse scene is full of stories about lacrosse club owners or coaches at Madlax and at Blackwolf, VLC, FCA who bully or threaten families over their kid leaving a club. When the kid is a great player, it's all hot air and those club owners just move on to being bitter about the next recruitable kid leaves. Madlax got stung over the same thing other local clubs do as well, and the difference was the family wanting a public spectacle around their kid. Madlax program size has grown larger not smaller since that episode. Why do you think that is? If there was such a thing as an elite lacrosse club run by a saintly well meaning role model for the boys, give is a name and number. I'd love to meet him and sign our sons up. Parents take the bad with the good in lacrosse, and let's all face this fact that lacrosse club owners are scumbags in general and the ones who are not have weak programs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/06/14 01:59 PM

The best part of this commit is why do people who do not have kids on Madlax care how our owner/pres. treats us. Every parent knows about the emails and his temper/passion. We are all aware we are adults. We do not need you to save us we are fine. Let me make is simply for you. "sticks and stones may break our bones but words (emails) will never hurt us" Ask anyone who gets a nasty email for leaving if they where happy before they left and the answer will be they where. Our owner is nutts but he does not hit the kids and when he coaches them he is the kind of coach we like. He is to the point and does not sugar coat the facts. Some people are babies and can not take good hard coaching.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/06/14 02:54 PM

VLC built the only two good teams 2015 and 2017 they had off players developed as Madlax youth players. The 2015s are done in the club system and there has literally been a line of D1 kids leaving the 2017s since last fall. VLC is in shambles and has never developed youth players. That is why Madlax continues to grow.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/06/14 02:54 PM

Cannons also played 2019B, but in fairness, I believe that was because SoCo dropped out at the last minute and the tournament needed a replacement team. They were more skilled and athletic than the two best A/B teams, Madlax and BLC.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/06/14 06:03 PM

How good is Rock Lacrosse at 2018?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/06/14 09:23 PM

Wow. Madlax is playing one of their 2017 defenders at a 2018 tournament this weekend. What a bunch of scumbags.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/06/14 09:35 PM

We have had at least 10-15 posts isnt it time to bring out the article on the quitter player and nutty coach!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/06/14 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow. Madlax is playing one of their 2017 defenders at a 2018 tournament this weekend. What a bunch of scumbags.


A lot of clubs are playing 2017 and 2018 teams together.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/07/14 01:02 AM

How do you know this and who are they moving down?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/07/14 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow. Madlax is playing one of their 2017 defenders at a 2018 tournament this weekend. What a bunch of scumbags.

How do you know and who are they moving down?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/07/14 12:04 PM

so you are mad a soph. is playing with Freshman. So its like a JV high school team. I thought we all didnt care about that stuff when they hit high school. Only at the youth level did we care about kids playing down.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/07/14 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow. Madlax is playing one of their 2017 defenders at a 2018 tournament this weekend. What a bunch of scumbags.


A lot of clubs are playing 2017 and 2018 teams together.


Of course they won't play in the 2017 bracket, they'll play down in the 2018, and if they have already reclassed they'll be 2-2.5 years older than the legit 2018 kids. Sounds reasonable. It doesn't matter for my kid, legit 2018 6-2 185, but I feel for the late grower, absurd. Maybe I'll have my son play some 2019 or 2020 next tourn. I wonder if he'll standout?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/07/14 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow. Madlax is playing one of their 2017 defenders at a 2018 tournament this weekend. What a bunch of scumbags.


Just a blatant lie, the 2018 team has too many defenders as it is and the 2017 team doesn't have enough. The 2018s were asked to play up with the 2017s if interested.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/07/14 01:45 PM

Don't be an idiot. As these showcase recruiting events, they want to see kids in the same class competing against one another.

Yet another pathetic move by Madlax. They also may have more kids who've repeated a grade than any other club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/07/14 04:25 PM

At these showcase events some kids play up, and sometimes there are teams that are a blend of school years. Just last weekend Dukes the Philly club had two teams entered in a tournament, one 2017 and one "uncommitted" team with kids sprayed all over in terms of grades. This Madlax post is silly, there are 2017/18 teams and 2016/17 teams in every tournament now. It is one of the casualties of the committed stuff. It looks like some clubs need to hustle to field teams once the committed kids drop out of sight from club tournaments.

Now, how are these kids who committed in 9th grade then check out of club lacrosse expecting to develop enough to play college? Seems like soon as they do, victory is declared and they blow off doing the work.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/07/14 04:29 PM

Madlax posts all there players by first and last name on there website. For everything they do. They are not trying to trick anyone or get away with anything. Why would a kid play in a 2018 tournament when he is 2017. It does him no good. All it could do is get him on the wrong list for a grad year with a college scout. As for Madlax being the team with the most holdbacks that needs to be proven with some facts to back that up. And once again its high school kids why does anyone care about anyone playing down or up. These tournaments are for college scouts to see you why get on the wrong grad year list with them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/07/14 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax posts all there players by first and last name on there website. For everything they do. They are not trying to trick anyone or get away with anything. Why would a kid play in a 2018 tournament when he is 2017. It does him no good. All it could do is get him on the wrong list for a grad year with a college scout. As for Madlax being the team with the most holdbacks that needs to be proven with some facts to back that up. And once again its high school kids why does anyone care about anyone playing down or up. These tournaments are for college scouts to see you why get on the wrong grad year list with them.


You are on the wrong high horse. At these tournaments there are blended teams. And if this kid you are making a big point of is clearly marked as a 2017, then there is no confusion.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/07/14 06:10 PM

Classic Madlax bringing kids down to play in a division with a clearly defined grade level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/07/14 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax posts all there players by first and last name on there website. For everything they do. They are not trying to trick anyone or get away with anything. Why would a kid play in a 2018 tournament when he is 2017. It does him no good. All it could do is get him on the wrong list for a grad year with a college scout. As for Madlax being the team with the most holdbacks that needs to be proven with some facts to back that up. And once again its high school kids why does anyone care about anyone playing down or up. These tournaments are for college scouts to see you why get on the wrong grad year list with them.


You are on the wrong high horse. At these tournaments there are blended teams. And if this kid you are making a big point of is clearly marked as a 2017, then there is no confusion.


Yes, some are blended but they play to the older of the blended age groups unless you are a bad team or as the Crabs did at the Terp Classic last summer just to attempt to fill the trophy case...no reason for Crabs to do that, Madlax is another story
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/07/14 07:46 PM

What is the Jersey # of this kid playing down i do not see it anywhere on the Madlax site. And what tournament are you saying they are cheating in? And we all know that the best way to cheat is to bring down a D pole to get you that championship AHHHHH no! Its fall its about being seen not winning championships.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/07/14 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't be an idiot. As these showcase recruiting events, they want to see kids in the same class competing against one another.

Yet another pathetic move by Madlax. They also may have more kids who've repeated a grade than any other club.


No way they have more than Crabs..No Way
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/07/14 10:15 PM

Anyone know why VLC 2019 is apparently playing as an A team this weekend at the Greene Turtle? They're matched up against what seems like a weak Greene Turtle squad (based on last weekend's Madlax fall tournament results), team 302 (Delaware), and the Madlax 2019 Blues.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/08/14 04:09 AM

Why are you so obsessed with VLC, Mr. Stewart? The GT tournament has a big field. They decide the pairings.

Why not email the tournament organizer? Or better yet, why not get a life?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/10/14 04:57 PM

Did anyone see the 2019 orange game when they played FCA Blue this weekend? Madlax lost by one goal. Then they came back and beat Hawks by one Goal. I am really mad I missed these games. Please update.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/10/14 06:58 PM

No, unfortunately not. I did see VLC beat the Madlax Blue, 9-4. The game was tied at half. But VLC dominated faceoffs and groundballs in the second half.

On another note, and mind you I'm not complaining, can anyone shed some light as to possible reasons why the schedule for the 2019s at the NPYLL autumn classic is structured the way it is? The B division has a number of teams that one would normally think would be playing up at A. I'm just curious what the reason or reasons might be that the brackets ended up this way.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/10/14 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did anyone see the 2019 orange game when they played FCA Blue this weekend? Madlax lost by one goal. Then they came back and beat Hawks by one Goal. I am really mad I missed these games. Please update.


2019 - FCA Blue, Madlax Orange and Hawks Green are all evenly matched. The 2019 MLC team looked good too and went 3-0. I was told that this team, after winning the MYLA Championship, decided to stay together and play as a club team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/10/14 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did anyone see the 2019 orange game when they played FCA Blue this weekend? Madlax lost by one goal. Then they came back and beat Hawks by one Goal. I am really mad I missed these games. Please update.


FCA won in OT.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/12/14 12:05 PM

Well it looks and sounds like the 2019 class in this DMV area is going to be one of its best classes if not the best class.This time next year these 2019 boys will be doing lots of press releases for there early verbals.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/12/14 05:11 PM

Madlax Orange 2019 and MLC 2019 play in the NPYLL Autumn Classic this weekend. I guess they both will see where they stand.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/12/14 05:52 PM

I've seen the 2019 teams in this area. They are not that great. Nowhere near as good as some other older classes that are getting recruited now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/12/14 06:37 PM

Well I like this debate. Can we come up with a Matrix to use this time next year to see if you are correct. And what top 10 clubs are we going to use to compare to which Grad. Year is the best.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/12/14 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well it looks and sounds like the 2019 class in this DMV area is going to be one of its best classes if not the best class.This time next year these 2019 boys will be doing lots of press releases for there early verbals.


DMV=District, Maryland suburbs of DC, Virginia suburbs of DC. Baltimore is fast becoming a DC suburb, but is not included in this term. Only 2 MD counties included would be Montgomery and Prince Georges.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/12/14 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well it looks and sounds like the 2019 class in this DMV area is going to be one of its best classes if not the best class.This time next year these 2019 boys will be doing lots of press releases for there early verbals.


DMV=District, Maryland suburbs of DC, Virginia suburbs of DC. Baltimore is fast becoming a DC suburb, but is not included in this term. Only 2 MD counties included would be Montgomery and Prince Georges.


did you make the "Baltimore becoming a DC suburb" comment to start a new line of arguments? Typical pompous DC a**hole.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/13/14 02:01 AM

Nobody in DC considers Baltimore a suburb. Nobody in DC wants anything to do with "little brother".
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/13/14 12:02 PM

I just wanted to pick the top 10 local clubs and compare the 2019,2018,2017,2016 classes together to see which class is the best overall for the area. I think as long as the club is in MD or VA or DC it can be on the list.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/13/14 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody in DC considers Baltimore a suburb. Nobody in DC wants anything to do with "little brother".


I am pretty sure the feeling is mutual. No one in Baltimore wants anything to do with the city of self appointed jacka**es.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/13/14 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody in DC considers Baltimore a suburb. Nobody in DC wants anything to do with "little brother".


I am pretty sure the feeling is mutual. No one in Baltimore wants anything to do with the city of self appointed jacka**es.


Where does Annapolis fit in?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/13/14 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody in DC considers Baltimore a suburb. Nobody in DC wants anything to do with "little brother".


I am pretty sure the feeling is mutual. No one in Baltimore wants anything to do with the city of self appointed jacka**es.


Where does Annapolis fit in?


Where is Annapolis?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/13/14 08:29 PM

LOL. Madlax is once again playing guys down at various fall tournament in defined age brackets.

As long as it's another kid who pays his fee, they're good with it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/13/14 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody in DC considers Baltimore a suburb. Nobody in DC wants anything to do with "little brother".


I am pretty sure the feeling is mutual. No one in Baltimore wants anything to do with the city of self appointed jacka**es.



Baltimore's inferiority complex is legendary.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/14/14 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody in DC considers Baltimore a suburb. Nobody in DC wants anything to do with "little brother".


I am pretty sure the feeling is mutual. No one in Baltimore wants anything to do with the city of self appointed jacka**es.


Where does Annapolis fit in?


Where is Annapolis?


State Capital of MD - 45 min east of DC - 45 min south of Balt.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/14/14 01:01 AM

At which tournament? I don't see such detail posted for the NPYLL event this weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/14/14 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody in DC considers Baltimore a suburb. Nobody in DC wants anything to do with "little brother".


I am pretty sure the feeling is mutual. No one in Baltimore wants anything to do with the city of self appointed jacka**es.



Baltimore's inferiority complex is legendary.


A DC's pompous delusional jacka**es are legendary.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/14/14 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
At which tournament? I don't see such detail posted for the NPYLL event this weekend.


There are two fairly big tournaments this weekend:

Fall Brawl (Hogan) & Autumn Classic (Aloha). Madlax is at the Autumn Classic.

NPYLL seems to spread it's fall tournament sponsorship around from year to year. Last year it was the NPYLL Autumn Classic (Aloha). The year before it was the NPYLL FallFest (Madlax).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/14/14 12:12 PM

Once again someone is blaming Madlax of playing kids down. Can you at least give the team name and postion of this crazy rule breaker you are speaking of.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/17/14 01:06 PM

Ok Madlax people like it or not we need more then one top level A team at the youth level in NOVA? It is good that there is around 7 other clubs playing at the B level in our state. But we as Madlax parents we need there to be one of those 7 to step up and pull players from the other 6 and become a level A team. I do not know about you but if something goes wrong with my son at Madlax it would be nice to have another level A team to go to? But now at the youth levels all we got is 7 B teams. What club do you think should step up and find a way to get this done? I think it should be VLC as hard as that is to say.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/17/14 04:17 PM

I think it al depends on what the goals you and your child have for playing travel ball. If it is mostly to have fun and grow their love for the sport, maybe with the expectation of becoming a good HS player, then there are a ton of options in the NOVA region.

If the goal is to play on a legit AA level team and maybe get your kid recruited, then your options probably are limited to Madlax and VLC (although for reasons unknown VLC has played down as an A team in its last two tournaments). Perhaps FreedomLax will be able to build their program through the new Great Falls select league and new Gonzaga connection. And BLC is an option for those able to get their kids to practice in Bethesda.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/17/14 04:50 PM

Thats my point there should and needs to be 2 teams in NOVA playing at the AA level. There is 22 boys spread out on those 7 other teams and on Madlaxs blue teams that could and should have a place for a AA team. I agree there is a place and need for B travel teams Maryland has tons. But its going to be hard for a club team to be at the AA level with it being tied to a NVYLL club. I guess in a prefect world there would be a Freedomlax, Cavs, Battlelax, Fuze all star team. There is a soild AA team if you could cherry pick the best off of each for one team. You would think if these clubs Pres. wanted whats best for there kids they would work something like this out.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/17/14 05:46 PM

My myopic comments on this thread is unbelievable. You are no idea about the lacrosse landscape, history, etc. other than the couple of years your son has played youth ball.

Once you get to HS, you'll learn Madlax is not the top of the pyramid.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/17/14 07:16 PM

As for why i was talking about the youth landscape sir. I was speaking for u15 and lower. But your thoughts about how Madlax is not in the top for the area is kinda silly sir. I agree Blackwolf and VLC high school programs have the players. But you can in no way say that Madlax is not in that group. So if you would like to add another to this group for the high school age I would like to know for myself to keep up my options.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/17/14 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thats my point there should and needs to be 2 teams in NOVA playing at the AA level. There is 22 boys spread out on those 7 other teams and on Madlaxs blue teams that could and should have a place for a AA team. I agree there is a place and need for B travel teams Maryland has tons. But its going to be hard for a club team to be at the AA level with it being tied to a NVYLL club. I guess in a prefect world there would be a Freedomlax, Cavs, Battlelax, Fuze all star team. There is a soild AA team if you could cherry pick the best off of each for one team. You would think if these clubs Pres. wanted whats best for there kids they would work something like this out.


Well, this is sort of what BRYC has done, although they are not really a NOVA-wide lacrosse program. And Blackwolf should be added in at the HS level. Next Level and Performance have credible programs too in Bethesda.

I think one of the reasons families come back to Madlax after trying these other programs is that they perceive that player evaluation is based strictly on the merits, which is definitely not always the case at some of these other NOVA programs. So if my son got cut from the program next year, he would be bummed, but understand that it was based soley on his performance relative to the other kids trying out.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 12:00 PM

I agree with that statment Madlax seems to do the best job of taking the best players no matter where they are coming from. Thats why I am hoping the next program in VA not MD can step up and be a soild fair program and play at the top level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thats my point there should and needs to be 2 teams in NOVA playing at the AA level. There is 22 boys spread out on those 7 other teams and on Madlaxs blue teams that could and should have a place for a AA team. I agree there is a place and need for B travel teams Maryland has tons. But its going to be hard for a club team to be at the AA level with it being tied to a NVYLL club. I guess in a prefect world there would be a Freedomlax, Cavs, Battlelax, Fuze all star team. There is a soild AA team if you could cherry pick the best off of each for one team. You would think if these clubs Pres. wanted whats best for there kids they would work something like this out.


Well, this is sort of what BRYC has done, although they are not really a NOVA-wide lacrosse program. And Blackwolf should be added in at the HS level. Next Level and Performance have credible programs too in Bethesda.

I think one of the reasons families come back to Madlax after trying these other programs is that they perceive that player evaluation is based strictly on the merits, which is definitely not always the case at some of these other NOVA programs. So if my son got cut from the program next year, he would be bummed, but understand that it was based soley on his performance relative to the other kids trying out.


BRYC is definitely NOT AA team. 3d, who bought Fuze, will fill the void in the Western suburbs, Madlax will continue to dominate Fairfax and in (with a few MD kids, not many). VLC is being left out in the cold. It's already happening. VLC will drop youth teams. They embarrass the King Crab
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 01:59 PM

Madlax is not the best program in VA.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 03:06 PM

Come on man its not even close in the U15 and down Madlax is the best. At high School you will have the Kids from the Privates move to where there teamates are and where there high school coach wants/tells them to go. But at the youth level its not close.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 03:08 PM

Can you please give me a example of a Fuze team playing in a tournament at the highest level. And if so which tournament because i do not see them at the big ones that matter. I could be wrong please show me examples.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 03:57 PM

I think one of the reasons families come back to Madlax after trying these other programs is that they perceive that player evaluation is based strictly on the merits, which is definitely not always the case at some of these other NOVA programs. So if my son got cut from the program next year, he would be bummed, but understand that it was based soley on his performance relative to the other kids trying out. [/quote]

BRYC is definitely NOT AA team. 3d, who bought Fuze, will fill the void in the Western suburbs, Madlax will continue to dominate Fairfax and in (with a few MD kids, not many). VLC is being left out in the cold. It's already happening. VLC will drop youth teams. They embarrass the King Crab [/quote]

I think VLC wrote off youth development a couple years ago and basically wanted to knock out Blackwolf for high school level teams. One season after being bought out by Crabs they dropped U-11. That spring they cancelled the U-13a team after the team had tryouts and the families bought the gear. Just awful communications and professionalism. Now they have U-13 and U-15 teams playing in down divisions. VLC has some decent high school teams, but it is important to understand that those players and teams came up with a different VLC club that developed players and did two U-15 and U-13 teams up and through. Considering that the whole ungrateful quitter thing didn't kill Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf are now both in real trouble now because the better players developed by other clubs are tending to stay put, and this is because neither VLC or Blackwolf has put the resources into the youth levels and are finding less success just poaching the best kids developed at other clubs. Sounds a lot like the Crabs philosophy because it is the Crabs philosophy. Another big problem is VLC parents are always upset their teams don't go to the right tournaments, showcases, they never get put in the best brackets like the Balt Crabs, etc., etc. Maybe that is just whining but there is a continued belief by a lot of VLC parents that the only purpose served by VLC is to make Ryan McClernan some money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 04:03 PM

Seconding the above points, with the popularity of lacrosse in Northern Virginia, I have been surprised at the competitiveness (less than expected) of clubs there other than MadLax at youth levels. Doesn't appear like anyone up there other than Madlax could compete with 757 Select, for example, out of Norfolk/Tidewater. Is it just too many clubs? Do rec leagues start later (say 3rd grade, versus kindgarten)? I would think the population would easily support several other A teams, even if not another AA team. Not trying to be negative here - it's just a little puzzling.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can you please give me a example of a Fuze team playing in a tournament at the highest level. And if so which tournament because i do not see them at the big ones that matter. I could be wrong please show me examples.


I don't think Fuze exists anymore. 3d bought that club out and then most of those families scattered away this fall to other local programs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seconding the above points, with the popularity of lacrosse in Northern Virginia, I have been surprised at the competitiveness (less than expected) of clubs there other than MadLax at youth levels. Doesn't appear like anyone up there other than Madlax could compete with 757 Select, for example, out of Norfolk/Tidewater. Is it just too many clubs? Do rec leagues start later (say 3rd grade, versus kindgarten)? I would think the population would easily support several other A teams, even if not another AA team. Not trying to be negative here - it's just a little puzzling.


It is baffling to me too. Every time a new club starts there is a honeymoon period to really build something or just get cast off with the many other also ran programs. To Madlax credit, it must be hard and take a lot of work to get and to keep elite youth teams going every year. Maybe 3d will win big given they are well funded and organized, It isn't a NOVA program but Bethesda Lacrosse Club (BLC) has really blown up and has a ton of kids and some top youth teams. Maybe Cavalier or Freedom can pick up some momentum. It makes no sense that another club can't get it going at a AA level n youth.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 05:41 PM

The Cavs and Freedom are stuck to a NVYLL program. So if I am parent of a kid not on that NVYLL program I will always be thinking if my kid is not playing becuase he is not playing with this coach on Sat. I understand why they start as part of a NVYLL program but it only can get so big. The thoughts will always be there true or not. I think it has to be a 3D or Lax world store team. The impression has to be this is a NOVA team not a fairfax,loudon, or PW team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 05:54 PM

I think it comes down to anything built on parents it will never last. It has to be someone/something that is for a large goal of being the top club. Not I need a good team for my son to play on. Also what people want is a clear misson. Not this lets do whats best for the kids. The crazy we want the best and only the best to win and go to college to play lacrosse kids. Is why Madlax works. They show tryout after tryout that they are going to take the best no matter if you have a last name or not. I have seen it everytime at the 3 tryouts a year they have at Madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think VLC wrote off youth development a couple years ago and basically wanted to knock out Blackwolf for high school level teams. One season after being bought out by Crabs they dropped U-11. That spring they cancelled the U-13a team after the team had tryouts and the families bought the gear. Just awful communications and professionalism. Now they have U-13 and U-15 teams playing in down divisions. VLC has some decent high school teams, but it is important to understand that those players and teams came up with a different VLC club that developed players and did two U-15 and U-13 teams up and through. Considering that the whole ungrateful quitter thing didn't kill Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf are now both in real trouble now because the better players developed by other clubs are tending to stay put, and this is because neither VLC or Blackwolf has put the resources into the youth levels and are finding less success just poaching the best kids developed at other clubs. Sounds a lot like the Crabs philosophy because it is the Crabs philosophy. Another big problem is VLC parents are always upset their teams don't go to the right tournaments, showcases, they never get put in the best brackets like the Balt Crabs, etc., etc. Maybe that is just whining but there is a continued belief by a lot of VLC parents that the only purpose served by VLC is to make Ryan McClernan some money.


Not sure if you're simply misinformed or you wish to spread lies, but nothing you wrote is true.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 06:56 PM

Looks to me like NVYLL had 47 U11A or B teams this past Spring. I picked U11 just as an example.

Shouldn't it be easy to field a half-dozen travel "A" teams from that group? The 2021 South Charlotte Cyclones lost 9-8 to the Madlax AA team after beating the Hawks AA team this Summer. They couldn't have drawn from but a small fraction of that number of kids. Again, not trying to be derogatory and no point to make, but this just doesn't compute. Are AA players commuting to Bethesda? Is soccer or swimming the dominant travel sport?

Madlax can't be drawing all the AA players from NVYLL or else they would be even better.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 07:25 PM

LOL. Madlax has nowhere near a monopoly on the best youth players. They have a very good 8th grade team and a good 7th grade team. Neither is a juggernaut.

And this assertion you keep making there are no politics within Madlax, and that Madlax is the only club that makes decisions based on merit, is simply not true.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks to me like NVYLL had 47 U11A or B teams this past Spring. I picked U11 just as an example.

Shouldn't it be easy to field a half-dozen travel "A" teams from that group? The 2021 South Charlotte Cyclones lost 9-8 to the Madlax AA team after beating the Hawks AA team this Summer. They couldn't have drawn from but a small fraction of that number of kids. Again, not trying to be derogatory and no point to make, but this just doesn't compute. Are AA players commuting to Bethesda? Is soccer or swimming the dominant travel sport?

Madlax can't be drawing all the AA players from NVYLL or else they would be even better.


The Cyclones team lost one game all summer - to Madlax, they are the only team in their area and get All the best players.
Their parents were actually shocked they lost the game because of the summer they were having.

Sticking with your Madlax U11 example, they went 18 - 0 over the summer
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks to me like NVYLL had 47 U11A or B teams this past Spring. I picked U11 just as an example.

Shouldn't it be easy to field a half-dozen travel "A" teams from that group? The 2021 South Charlotte Cyclones lost 9-8 to the Madlax AA team after beating the Hawks AA team this Summer. They couldn't have drawn from but a small fraction of that number of kids. Again, not trying to be derogatory and no point to make, but this just doesn't compute. Are AA players commuting to Bethesda? Is soccer or swimming the dominant travel sport?

Madlax can't be drawing all the AA players from NVYLL or else they would be even better.


The NVYLL changed its rules last year to require all teams to field at least one "A" team, regardless of whether or not that team could field a team at that skill level. Waivers were not granted. Teams were rated "AA" or "AAA" based on the number of teams fielded by that recreational lacrosse program, not based on preseason player evaluation. So while the talent is getting deeper in the NOVA region, there may not be as many true "A" or "AA" level players as appears at first blush.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think VLC wrote off youth development a couple years ago and basically wanted to knock out Blackwolf for high school level teams. One season after being bought out by Crabs they dropped U-11. That spring they cancelled the U-13a team after the team had tryouts and the families bought the gear. Just awful communications and professionalism. Now they have U-13 and U-15 teams playing in down divisions. VLC has some decent high school teams, but it is important to understand that those players and teams came up with a different VLC club that developed players and did two U-15 and U-13 teams up and through. Considering that the whole ungrateful quitter thing didn't kill Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf are now both in real trouble now because the better players developed by other clubs are tending to stay put, and this is because neither VLC or Blackwolf has put the resources into the youth levels and are finding less success just poaching the best kids developed at other clubs. Sounds a lot like the Crabs philosophy because it is the Crabs philosophy. Another big problem is VLC parents are always upset their teams don't go to the right tournaments, showcases, they never get put in the best brackets like the Balt Crabs, etc., etc. Maybe that is just whining but there is a continued belief by a lot of VLC parents that the only purpose served by VLC is to make Ryan McClernan some money.


Not sure if you're simply misinformed or you wish to spread lies, but nothing you wrote is true.


That is perfectly informed. Freedom Lax was started by Twomey and another Ex VLC coach who left to start a new club when Crabs guy decided to drop U-11 and the season after he cancelled the second U-13 team's season after they tried out and started to practice. He cancelled their season because he didn't want a second less elite U-13 team so he abruptly cancelled and sent refunds back. Freedom lacrosse started after all this happened in 2013
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/18/14 11:11 PM

Freedom was started because the founder's kid got cut, so he started a club. Their teams are pretty bad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Freedom was started because the founder's kid got cut, so he started a club. Their teams are pretty bad.


VLC stopped doing U-11 teams after 2012. They no longer do U-11 teams. VLC dumped doing second U-13 team also after 2013. Neither of those determinations or decisions had anything to do with a coaches' kid and that is a disgraceful thing to direct at a family, but predictable coming from VLC's team mom troll. Now go sell some Crabs socks and make me a sandwich.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 01:25 AM

I'm not with VLC. I know the family and that club. The club was started after the kid was cut, so he started his own club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Freedom was started because the founder's kid got cut, so he started a club. Their teams are pretty bad.


VLC stopped doing U-11 teams after 2012. They no longer do U-11 teams. VLC dumped doing second U-13 team also after 2013. Neither of those determinations or decisions had anything to do with a coaches' kid and that is a disgraceful thing to direct at a family, but predictable coming from VLC's team mom troll. Now go sell some Crabs socks and make me a sandwich.


I know something about Freedom. The plus side to the program is that there is a family atmosphere, the coaching is pretty good, and the teams were reasonably competitive in year one. Where they ran into difficulties at the U13 level was that the A team was starved of midfield talent relative to the "AA" team; and the AA team had too many kids, leading to concerns about playing time for several of the boys. A perception also developed, fairly or unfairly, that kids from Great Falls had an advantage over kids from other youth programs when it came to playing time. I believe they were trying to make the rosters smaller this year to address the playing time issue, but I don't think the rosters are up on the website and so its hard to know whether things have changed or not.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 12:12 PM

This last statment is repeating my point that any travel club team based from a Rec program will not be able to play at the highest level because the impression will always be there that the kids from the Rec program will get playing time over the kids from outside the Rec program.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This last statment is repeating my point that any travel club team based from a Rec program will not be able to play at the highest level because the impression will always be there that the kids from the Rec program will get playing time over the kids from outside the Rec program.


My biggest complaint about Freedom is the name. Sometimes 3 different Freedom clubs will show up at tournaments (Philly, nova, and Sykesville). Time for a name change.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This last statment is repeating my point that any travel club team based from a Rec program will not be able to play at the highest level because the impression will always be there that the kids from the Rec program will get playing time over the kids from outside the Rec program.


And how do you respond concerning VLC Great Falls kids getting that same home town treatment from the coaches with ties to that rec program as well? Others replied with their feet and started leaving.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This last statment is repeating my point that any travel club team based from a Rec program will not be able to play at the highest level because the impression will always be there that the kids from the Rec program will get playing time over the kids from outside the Rec program.


My biggest complaint about Freedom is the name. Sometimes 3 different Freedom clubs will show up at tournaments (Philly, nova, and Sykesville). Time for a name change.


The team from Philly is actually Elite so there is little confusion on the field
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This last statment is repeating my point that any travel club team based from a Rec program will not be able to play at the highest level because the impression will always be there that the kids from the Rec program will get playing time over the kids from outside the Rec program.


And how do you respond concerning VLC Great Falls kids getting that same home town treatment from the coaches with ties to that rec program as well? Others replied with their feet and started leaving.


Another lie. None of those GF kids are getting preferential treatment from VLC. The 2 families who departed left for other reasons.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 05:35 PM

All of VLCs 2013 year U-13 B team players and the U-11 team families left because those teams were cancelled from the VLC offerings. That is dozens of families, not sure where you are getting two. VLC doesn't do U-11 and only does two youth teams now one each at U-15 and U-13. And both of those teams are now entered in B tournaments or B divisions of tournaments. Who really cares if VLC has kids from this town or that town, the truth is their youth program is in tatters. Come at the posters with some facts and stop running away from that fact. Look at the VLC website for their team offerings and the tournaments they go to for the two remaining youth teams, its all there. Maybe the VLC website lies.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 05:42 PM

This is why I let Madlax rob my pocket book every 3 months. I call it a "drama free" upcharge.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is why I let Madlax rob my pocket book every 3 months. I call it a "drama free" upcharge.


Starting to sound more and more like some NOVA families are paying to Freedom and VLC youth team club rates to play Great Falls plus neighbor towns rec ball. What used to be $300 can be $1500 for the same thing on the same field except for one Hogan tournament a season. That is a lot of money for what it is. With Madlax it is run like a club for the club rates or upcharge.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know why VLC 2019 is apparently playing as an A team this weekend at the Greene Turtle? They're matched up against what seems like a weak Greene Turtle squad (based on last weekend's Madlax fall tournament results), team 302 (Delaware), and the Madlax 2019 Blues.


They did the same thing this past weekend at NPYLL event in Aberdeen. Doesn't make sense
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 06:35 PM

2022 madlax teams looks like the team to beat this year at this age.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know why VLC 2019 is apparently playing as an A team this weekend at the Greene Turtle? They're matched up against what seems like a weak Greene Turtle squad (based on last weekend's Madlax fall tournament results), team 302 (Delaware), and the Madlax 2019 Blues.


They did the same thing this past weekend at NPYLL event in Aberdeen. Doesn't make sense


At the NPYLL event, I wonder if it was because the tournament organizers wanted to accommodate Deep Dish Green Line, C2C, the Canadian Edge teams, and any others wanting to play at AA who had to come a long distance? Edge ended up winning both at 2019 AA and A.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 09:10 PM

Over 2022 Arden Diamondbacks?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 09:29 PM

At the NPYLL event, I wonder if it was because the tournament organizers wanted to accommodate Deep Dish Green Line, C2C, the Canadian Edge teams, and any others wanting to play at AA who had to come a long distance? Edge ended up winning both at 2019 AA and A. [/quote]

I doubt it. They played in the B division in both Green Turtle and NPYLL Fall Event last year as well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 madlax teams looks like the team to beat this year at this age.


Maybe they were missing some kids, but didn't they lose 2 out of 3 at Aberdeen? Crabs won the A bracket over Philly Freedom.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is why I let Madlax rob my pocket book every 3 months. I call it a "drama free" upcharge.


Starting to sound more and more like some NOVA families are paying to Freedom and VLC youth team club rates to play Great Falls plus neighbor towns rec ball. What used to be $300 can be $1500 for the same thing on the same field except for one Hogan tournament a season. That is a lot of money for what it is. With Madlax it is run like a club for the club rates or upcharge.



You are really love this website, Mr. Stewart.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
At the NPYLL event, I wonder if it was because the tournament organizers wanted to accommodate Deep Dish Green Line, C2C, the Canadian Edge teams, and any others wanting to play at AA who had to come a long distance? Edge ended up winning both at 2019 AA and A.


I doubt it. They played in the B division in both Green Turtle and NPYLL Fall Event last year as well. [/quote]

Well, per this point the U13AA team went 1-5 last year in the NPYLL, and the U15 team 2-3. So despite the local perception here that VLC remains a powerhouse program, perhaps that is no longer true or that any rate the youth program is not attracting the talent it did in the past.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 madlax teams looks like the team to beat this year at this age.


Better than Hawks and Roughriders?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 madlax teams looks like the team to beat this year at this age.


Maybe they were missing some kids, but didn't they lose 2 out of 3 at Aberdeen? Crabs won the A bracket over Philly Freedom.


If Crabs won the tourney with Madlax in the field of comp as well, I think the pecking order is Hawks, BLC, Roughriders, Crabs, then Madlax. I realize this is including 2 teams from DC area, but from what we saw, RRiders & Crabs 2022 better than Madlax. But, as they say, that's why they play the games.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/19/14 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 madlax teams looks like the team to beat this year at this age.


Better than Hawks and Roughriders?


Roughriders not very good
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/20/14 11:52 AM

2022 teams will have a roster turn over of like 75% over the next 4 years why even try to guess which team is the best?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/20/14 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 madlax teams looks like the team to beat this year at this age.


Maybe they were missing some kids, but didn't they lose 2 out of 3 at Aberdeen? Crabs won the A bracket over Philly Freedom.


If Crabs won the tourney with Madlax in the field of comp as well, I think the pecking order is Hawks, BLC, Roughriders, Crabs, then Madlax. I realize this is including 2 teams from DC area, but from what we saw, RRiders & Crabs 2022 better than Madlax. But, as they say, that's why they play the games.


Crabs won with a split madlax teams there and the top 2022 teams not playing in tourney.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/20/14 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 madlax teams looks like the team to beat this year at this age.


Maybe they were missing some kids, but didn't they lose 2 out of 3 at Aberdeen? Crabs won the A bracket over Philly Freedom.


If Crabs won the tourney with Madlax in the field of comp as well, I think the pecking order is Hawks, BLC, Roughriders, Crabs, then Madlax. I realize this is including 2 teams from DC area, but from what we saw, RRiders & Crabs 2022 better than Madlax. But, as they say, that's why they play the games.


Crabs won with a split madlax teams there and the top 2022 teams not playing in tourney.


Last year it was Breakers & Hawks in NPYLL 2022 championship. Diamondbacks were undefeated going into tourney - breakers beat them. Madlax beat Hawks at GT invite this year. Hawks beat crabs at GT invite. Hawks beat cannons and club blue at fall brawl. Crabs beat bethesda and Madlax at autumn classic. Looks like a lot of even competition.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/20/14 09:04 PM

I have no connection with Diamondbacks, but they won some tough games this Summer against older kids. The Breakers U11A team that beat them in NPYLL playoff was not a 2022 team.
Posted By: MDlaxer

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/20/14 11:10 PM

Dbacks 2022 have never lost to a hawks team not in npyll or any other tournament. See you in 2 weeks
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/21/14 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by MDlaxer
Dbacks 2022 have never lost to a hawks team not in npyll or any other tournament. See you in 2 weeks


Summer, Fall, and Winter are to prepare for NPYLL in the spring. Nothing else really matters.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/21/14 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have no connection with Diamondbacks, but they won some tough games this Summer against older kids. The Breakers U11A team that beat them in NPYLL playoff was not a 2022 team.


Breakers were half first year U11 players and half second year U11 players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/23/14 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is why I let Madlax rob my pocket book every 3 months. I call it a "drama free" upcharge.


Starting to sound more and more like some NOVA families are paying to Freedom and VLC youth team club rates to play Great Falls plus neighbor towns rec ball. What used to be $300 can be $1500 for the same thing on the same field except for one Hogan tournament a season. That is a lot of money for what it is. With Madlax it is run like a club for the club rates or upcharge.



You are really love this website, Mr. Stewart.


Ok, please stop with the Mr. Stewart garbage. No one even knows what that means. Venturing a guess it is a fanatical madlax dad, but who cares, and frankly it makes you sound bat **** crazy
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/23/14 10:11 PM

You most certainly do know who that is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/24/14 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You most certainly do know who that is.


Time for the Stewarts and the Beckwiths to go get their own thread to talk about Madlax and VLC backstories. Both make their programs look like a sad and pathetic club and takes attention away from a focus on kids and the sport. With parents like those youth sports is no fun for anyone. Yes, I am a Madlax dad and yes I am tired of it from both sides of the aisle. Madlax had the ungrateful quitter once and now VLC has that drama queen family to deal with. That is done with and THE REST OF US WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT if these maliciouos Great Falls country club moms and dads could take it somewhere else now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/24/14 03:05 PM

I agree with this 100%. I would like the 2 clubs to get along. I am a man who likes options. I would like them both to be good and beating up teams from Balt.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/24/14 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree with this 100%. I would like the 2 clubs to get along. I am a man who likes options. I would like them both to be good and beating up teams from Balt.


Amen from a VLC parent. Enough of this. Most of us who have kids in these programs weren't involved in the teams from that year that caused all this hate and chilish parents who seem to love trashing others. Does it occur to many of you that some of our kids read this? Time for Madlax and VLC business as usual to change and have some class.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/25/14 01:46 AM

Who has the best 2019 team out of all of these teams
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/25/14 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who has the best 2019 team out of all of these teams


Probably Madlax, but possibly Bethesda Lacrosse Club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/25/14 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who has the best 2019 team out of all of these teams


Probably Madlax, but possibly Bethesda Lacrosse Club.


Unless their has been some shake up since last year, the best teams were:
Crabs (NPYLL Champs)and Madlax (barely lost in NPYLL Championship).

Other teams with good records were Hawks & Cannons, but the Crabs and Madlax were just a bit better.

The Hoco teams to watch were FCA & Rock.

Bethesda was 4-3 last year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/25/14 12:22 PM

I think he was trying to say which two teams are the best optoins for someone in NOVA to play for at 2019? if that is the case he is correct if you can do the drive the next best option in Beth.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/25/14 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think he was trying to say which two teams are the best optoins for someone in NOVA to play for at 2019? if that is the case he is correct if you can do the drive the next best option in Beth.


3d (old fuze) has been putting a lot of money into coaches and marketing/recruiting - so I expect them to be competitive quickly.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/25/14 05:53 PM

Well I can see your point it will be hard to be the best because there will always be a impression that the Ashburn or Loundon kids will be taken over the kids not from there. And thats what puts teams over the top when you can get kids to drive more then 20 mins to get to pratice.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/29/14 11:11 PM

Have you guys seen any star 2019 players in the dc area. and who do they play for I'm seeing what team to tryout for.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/29/14 11:28 PM

Madlax has many stars. At least 2 attack, 2 mids, both FOGO, d middie, lsm, 2 d, stud goalie. When healthy, maybe best 2019 team in country. Solid everywhere.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 11/30/14 04:18 AM

Perfectly legal team Breakers had last year. Diamondbacks need to stop whining any time they lose. Really lame and poor example. Get over it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/01/14 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Perfectly legal team Breakers had last year. Diamondbacks need to stop whining any time they lose. Really lame and poor example. Get over it.


Agree. Any time Diamondbacks 2022 lose they have an excuse. It doesn't happen often but when it does the coaches act like big babies. It's a joke. No team wins all the time. Get some resilience! Whiners!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/01/14 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Perfectly legal team Breakers had last year. Diamondbacks need to stop whining any time they lose. Really lame and poor example. Get over it.


Agree. Any time Diamondbacks 2022 lose they have an excuse. It doesn't happen often but when it does the coaches act like big babies. It's a joke. No team wins all the time. Get some resilience! Whiners!


Agreed. Diamondbacks were a bunch of moaners when they lost. You would have thought it was a NCAA final four game. Funny stuff.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/01/14 03:07 PM

I don't think anyone was whining. We were talking about who would be strong 2022 teams this Fall and 2015 and it was noted that the 2014 Spring/Summer Breakers team was not a pure 2022 team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/01/14 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think anyone was whining. We were talking about who would be strong 2022 teams this Fall and 2015 and it was noted that the 2014 Spring/Summer Breakers team was not a pure 2022 team.


Whining is when you lose and make excuses such as Breakers weren't a 2022 team. Which is true, Breakers never claimed to be a 2022 team,they had tryouts as U11 and were a true U11A team that played exactly where they were supposed to in a screwed up Grade/age combo based NPYLL last year. If the Diamondbacks were all true age 2022, they should be happy as they beat the Breakers in regular season and lost in a competitive game in Championship series.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/11/14 12:42 PM

We're signed up for some winter clinics after going through all the email solicitations. Signed our sons up for one Madlax clinic each. We are not a Madlax or a VLC family, and I know this is the sore old topic. How did VLC go down the tubes so perfectly and so fast since the "hey ungrateful quitter" event? Then we would have guessed Madlax might as well fold their tents and go home, but now I see Madlax youth teams running everyone over and their events and clinics are bigger than ever. VLC's solicitation for winter training is one of the few that is outdoors in December and January, is expensive and does not emphasize any positional coaching or instruction for FOGO, goalie, defense or offense. Are the two remaining non-parent coaches really the town high school coach and the neighboring town rec league coach? Sure I looked at costs, and sure Madlax items are more expensive than the VLC expensive, but the offerings are impressive.

I know VLC has a couple of good HS teams, made up mostly of kids who started out at Madlax, and commits on those teams. But their programs and youth teams are barely above Fairfax County rec league AA teams, they play in second tier divisions or tournaments and have a very thin coaching staff. Two or three non-parent coaches in the program? What happened to VLC?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/11/14 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
We're signed up for some winter clinics after going through all the email solicitations. Signed our sons up for one Madlax clinic each. We are not a Madlax or a VLC family, and I know this is the sore old topic. How did VLC go down the tubes so perfectly and so fast since the "hey ungrateful quitter" event? Then we would have guessed Madlax might as well fold their tents and go home, but now I see Madlax youth teams running everyone over and their events and clinics are bigger than ever. VLC's solicitation for winter training is one of the few that is outdoors in December and January, is expensive and does not emphasize any positional coaching or instruction for FOGO, goalie, defense or offense. Are the two remaining non-parent coaches really the town high school coach and the neighboring town rec league coach? Sure I looked at costs, and sure Madlax items are more expensive than the VLC expensive, but the offerings are impressive.

I know VLC has a couple of good HS teams, made up mostly of kids who started out at Madlax, and commits on those teams. But their programs and youth teams are barely above Fairfax County rec league AA teams, they play in second tier divisions or tournaments and have a very thin coaching staff. Two or three non-parent coaches in the program? What happened to VLC?


Like anything else, being the Madlax alternative can only take you so far before you have to provide value. Since his kid was moving on, dad founder recognized that antiMadlax couldn't carry VLC any further and "sold out" to the Crabs. Sadly, with increased competition Crabs model is wobbling in Baltimore and King Crab has done nothing in NOVA.

Now that 2015 team has graduated/disbanded, what's left, a decent, not great 2017 team? Rest of teams are mediocre to poor, some playing B level. It is going to be very hard to recover from the consistently poor showings on the field by current VLC teams.
Watch for 3d to be next big thing as landscape changes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/11/14 03:26 PM

It is shocking how many great players just walked out of VLC 2016 & 2017 to stock the ponds at Blackwolf and to some extent 3d. I'm talking about high level D1 prospects changing clubs during the recruiting years on the teams coming after that incredible VLC 2015 team. VLC seemed to be on the cusp of running everyone over in 2013 and one year later is basically the new Next Level. How and why did it all fall apart? Ex-VLC parents I know just smirk and say "no comment". Does anyone know the real story here?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/11/14 03:31 PM

Hard for 3d to get players from all over the region when their practice fields are in outer Loudon County.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/11/14 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hard for 3d to get players from all over the region when their practice fields are in outer Loudon County.


Amen. If you live inside the beltway its just too far to go in rush hour traffic. I know a kid from Vienna who plays goalie on their U15 team, and its a real time commitment to practice in Leesburg even from there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/11/14 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hard for 3d to get players from all over the region when their practice fields are in outer Loudon County.


Amen. If you live inside the beltway its just too far to go in rush hour traffic. I know a kid from Vienna who plays goalie on their U15 team, and its a real time commitment to practice in Leesburg even from there.


3d is moving their training base from Leesburg to Rockville Sportsplex next season. Sounds like they got the message that the good players from other parts of the beltway are not finding Leesburg accessible. They are also doing winter box training / league in Annapolis for some winter teams, so I does sound like they are getting diversified locations wise.

Also, what the heck happened at VLC? Vienna rec teams can beat them now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/11/14 06:12 PM

Madlax has youth (not HS) players from Charlottesville, Manasas, and Stafford so players are willing to travel for a good team

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/12/14 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Signed our sons up for one Madlax clinic each. We are not a Madlax family


Yeah, right. Read the rest of your paragraph and it's the same stuff you bring up every single month. And the replies are the same replies brought up every time. Don't you get tired of spewing the same lies non-stop?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/12/14 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hard for 3d to get players from all over the region when their practice fields are in outer Loudon County.


Amen. If you live inside the beltway its just too far to go in rush hour traffic. I know a kid from Vienna who plays goalie on their U15 team, and its a real time commitment to practice in Leesburg even from there.


3d is moving their training base from Leesburg to Rockville Sportsplex next season. Sounds like they got the message that the good players from other parts of the beltway are not finding Leesburg accessible. They are also doing winter box training / league in Annapolis for some winter teams, so I does sound like they are getting diversified locations wise.

Also, what the heck happened at VLC? Vienna rec teams can beat them now.



What winter box training/league is going on in Annapolis?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/12/14 01:01 PM

What lies? That is a lame reply. Why has VLC been decimated as a youth lacrosse program?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/12/14 01:52 PM

The winter box league is the Annapolis Indoor Lacrosse League.
Some very good teams and it is very well run. It is not "true" box because they don't allow all of the hitting but they do play with small goals, and the goalies are padded up. My son is playing in it and loves it. He played last year as well.
Both a JV and a Varsity league
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/12/14 02:23 PM

There is an Annapolis winter lacrosse league. Some high schools and clubs including 3d teams. It has some good club and HS programs have teams entered.

Now why the VLC push back on lies and lying liars. What that is thrown out is wrong? That club is stripped down to a coaching staff of the town HS coach, a town rec coach and parental coaches and administrators. The 2015 team is done, and the stripped down 2016 & 2017 teams are moving a long pretty well but are not great teams and their youth teams are basically like Next Level or Cavalier lacrosse now. VLC youth teams play in B tournaments or B divisions of tournaments. That VLC winter skills and drills thing on in the snow at Flint Hill HS is a rip off relative to Maxlax or other indoor winter offerings and I am not a Madlax parent or a prior poster on what you think is a sore topic. So which is it? Is all written above just lies or do you have some substance to respond with?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/12/14 03:18 PM

VLC is not interesting enough to anyone to discuss. This is getting to be like beating down on a program already kicked to the curb by Madlax. Who cares, let them pat each other on the back at the Great Falls Starbucks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/12/14 05:18 PM

Why not just promote Madlax and 3d instead of repeating the same libel over and over again, hoping some new parents get duped and believe these lies?

Last I checked, Blackwolf and VLC have nearly 50% more college commits than Madlax. As for 3d, do they have even 1 college commit from their MidAtlantic program?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/12/14 06:42 PM

3d has several commits on their HS teams. They'd rather brag about winning games than how many kids they commit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/12/14 06:46 PM

I do not hear anyone saying Blackwolf is no good. And when they talk bad about VLC they are talking about the youth teams. There high school teams are still strong. But there 2019 and below are playing B level not AA like Madlax or the other clubs. Please prove me wrong and show me VLC teams playing a high A or AA schedule anywhere coming up this spring or summer. I always say this area has the talent for 3 AA teams at any age. Its just we all fight to much and spread the talent to 7 teams or more. Like they say "Crabs in a bucket"!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/13/14 03:18 AM

The Annapolis League is actually 30 minutes from Annapolis and has been around for many years, when 3d bought Propel Lacrosse they took over the league, not a bad league.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/13/14 04:31 AM

Did anyone hear of 3d looking to purchase Rising Sons in PA to enter that market?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/13/14 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Annapolis League is actually 30 minutes from Annapolis and has been around for many years, when 3d bought Propel Lacrosse they took over the league, not a bad league.


The Annapolis box league is terrific fun. The most fun my son has had playing the game and the level of play is very high but the league is real low key. Just a great way to get out there and play fast and keep fit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/16/14 12:37 PM

Is it too late to get into the Annapolis Box league? Do the teams entered take walk ons?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/16/14 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it too late to get into the Annapolis Box league? Do the teams entered take walk ons?


It is too late for Annapolis Indoor Lacrosse League. They are not real box. They are Field/Box Hybrid. The league started 12/6.

For real Box, look into JR B.I.L.L. They start on 1/6 and have real former Box players running it. Just google it and go to the Stone Alley website that hosts them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/17/14 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d has several commits on their HS teams. They'd rather brag about winning games than how many kids they commit.



Please name them. 3d's entire 2016 team left for Virginia Elite.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/17/14 01:14 PM

3d has seven D1 commits on their current 2016 roster, and no I will not. None of those families really appreciate the bragging mentality. I don't know much about the Fuze 2016 team that left or why they left, but the current 2016 team has several MIAA kids and other strong Annapolis area kids on it. Get back to beating each other up Madlax and VLC, 3d seems to be doing ok without any of this trash talking over teenage sons. Maybe 3d is on an upswing now because families want to get away from the mud slinging. Judging from this thread can't blame them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/17/14 01:17 PM

Isn't Virginia Elite a lacrosse league or is it also a club? Had not heard of it and we live in Fairfax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/17/14 02:49 PM

The 3d 2016 team from last summer left to do their own team under their high school coach. It was a Fuze team, and those kids wanted to keep playing together. 3d definitely came to town and cleaned house and brought in mostly new players in the fall. If what you are trying to note is that 3d has an epidemic of kids leaving already, that is not true. The kids who moved on either tried out and didn't make the teams and the 2016 team which left to stay together. 3d doesn't struggle to place boys and girls into college lacrosse and have both kids who came over as commits or have committed since arriving. I don't understand the vitriol and it would be better to keep 3d out of the Madlax and VLC fighting, which is amusing to people outside your programs but not that fascinating.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/17/14 02:49 PM

Virginia Elite Lacrosse has three teams: 2016, 2017 & 2018
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/17/14 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d has seven D1 commits on their current 2016 roster, and no I will not. None of those families really appreciate the bragging mentality. I don't know much about the Fuze 2016 team that left or why they left, but the current 2016 team has several MIAA kids and other strong Annapolis area kids on it. Get back to beating each other up Madlax and VLC, 3d seems to be doing ok without any of this trash talking over teenage sons. Maybe 3d is on an upswing now because families want to get away from the mud slinging. Judging from this thread can't blame them.



One kid from PVI was just announced going to VMI. But to the poster's original question, there aren't any other 3d commits from THIS area. 3d is trying to hodgepodge guys from this area and Maryland who were dissatisfied with their current clubs. There are no listed college commits from their MidAtlantic team on the 3d website.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/17/14 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Isn't Virginia Elite a lacrosse league or is it also a club? Had not heard of it and we live in Fairfax.


I had never heard of them either. Their website says "Our goal is to offer year-round high quality lacrosse experiences that help youth and HS lacrosse players to achieve their potential. Starting with introduction to lacrosse program camps/ clinics through advanced skills camps/ clinics and our elite laxer training programs, leagues and tournaments, we want to ensure that the true spirit of the game is maintained and strengthened through a strong collaboration with area Youth and HS coaches from across Northern VA and the greater Wash Metro area."

A couple of the MLL guys who started Rogue lacrosse appear to be affiliated with VEL (Steven Brooks and Terry Kimener). Rogue used to offer clinics in conjunction with VLC out at Flint Hill but now appear to be based out of upstate New [lacrosse].

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/17/14 03:29 PM

All of 3d's HS commits came over in the summer or in the fall and all of them came up with other clubs like Crabs, Hawks, Madlax. 3d just started in the summer, so it isn't like these kids grew up 3d. Blackwolf has been doing the same thing for years now taking in kids who are committed or are about to. I think these club credentials can be very misleading when a kid grows up Madlax and then hops to another club where he played 2 tournaments and became a Blackwolf or a 3d commit. The clubs do it to the extent they can get a kid committed or soon to be committed to suit up for them at an event. Paul Rabil didn't play in his first Crabs tournament until he was 18, and look who is pictured as a Crab on their website.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/17/14 03:53 PM

Once again no parent should care about the team/club as a whole they should be putting there kid in the best place at the best time to get to where he wants/can go. There is only 10 spots on the field at a time. And there is a 100 or so kids who can or will play in college in the NOVA area at a time. And there is another 100 kids who think they can play in college. 200 divided into 25 is what 8 teams. Every parent should be looking to place or moved there kid between these teams to find the best fit for them. Goalies and Attackman really need to always be shopping. Point is you are only hurting you kid if you do not find the best place for him every year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/17/14 04:00 PM

One kid from PVI was just announced going to VMI. But to the poster's original question, there aren't any other 3d commits from THIS area. 3d is trying to hodgepodge guys from this area and Maryland who were dissatisfied with their current clubs. There are no listed college commits from their MidAtlantic team on the 3d website. [/quote]

Ms. Beckwith. 3d MidAtlantic doesn't publish commits for boys or for girls on the 3d website. There are commits who came from other clubs for their own reasons, and none of those reasons have anything to do with you or some PVI kid who committed to VMI, and good for him whomever that may be.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/17/14 04:51 PM

What I find interesting is there is one freshman lacrosse player at UVa who grew up Madlax, went to Landon and was invisible during the NLI period last year. One Landon 2014 UVa early commit was dumped by UVa last year and is going to some D3 school now. He applied to UVa and was admitted, and walked onto the lacrosse team and is on the roster. Which kid would your son want to be in a few years? The one dumped or the one added. Today a 2015 goalie committed to Duke and he is going on an academic scholarship. The 3d MidAtlantic team has one kid who committed to an ACC school more than a year ago and it is still non-public. Parents and their kids making the world of being a commit are misplacing a lot of their energies and it certainly is no guarantee.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/17/14 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Virginia Elite Lacrosse has three teams: 2016, 2017 & 2018


VEL ran a fantastic fall high school league. Very professional and well managed. Until today I didn't realize they also had high school teams. Is this a club team or really just a high school coach having his kids out of season like PVI does?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/17/14 06:25 PM

I'll go way out on a limb here and ask this, aren't more than half the D1 lacrosse scholarship schools ones you don't want your kid to go to? There is a short list of ones you do dream of like three service academies, ivy or patriot league schools, then a few more like Notre Dame and Georgetown. If I paid private school tuitions and club dues for years and my kid went to Bryant College or Monmouth I'd be drinking heavily before noon.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/17/14 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'll go way out on a limb here and ask this, aren't more than half the D1 lacrosse scholarship schools ones you don't want your kid to go to? There is a short list of ones you do dream of like three service academies, ivy or patriot league schools, then a few more like Notre Dame and Georgetown. If I paid private school tuitions and club dues for years and my kid went to Bryant College or Monmouth I'd be drinking heavily before noon.


Good point. I will take it one step further. There are approximately 75% of current Div 1 schools that we had no academic interest in whatsoever. Why send your kid to an inferior academic school just to play lacrosse? From our standpoint, we narrowed the Div 1 field down very quickly to 15-18 or so schools very quickly.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/17/14 11:16 PM

The VEL Teams are travel teams, made up of players from numerous high schools (not affiliated with any school).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/18/14 12:10 AM

Man, only 15-18 schools or else the odds junior will be back living with us go way up. I wish I'd pushed swimming or tennis harder. Those are boring to tears to watch but a lot more good schools.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/18/14 03:56 AM

The VEL teams are awful. The guy who runs VEL is the Langley coach. He is swimming in money now with that VEL fall league. He was with VLC, then jumped to Fuze and now decided to start his own club. The three teams they have are pretty bad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/18/14 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The VEL teams are awful. The guy who runs VEL is the Langley coach. He is swimming in money now with that VEL fall league. He was with VLC, then jumped to Fuze and now decided to start his own club. The three teams they have are pretty bad.


He runs a good high school league in the fall. If he is a HS coach doing a club to give his kids opportunities to play in fall or summer, that is a good thing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/18/14 02:44 PM

I like that there is lower level or bad teams out there. The more options the better. I only feel bad for the kid who is a top level player that gets talked in to or presured into playing for a lower level or bad team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/18/14 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I like that there is lower level or bad teams out there. The more options the better. I only feel bad for the kid who is a top level player that gets talked in to or presured into playing for a lower level or bad team.


Great point. A million kids play this sport now, and like all other sports the base of the pyramid has to be recreational or non-elite teams and players. It is important to have both higher and lower tier programs if lacrosse is going to flourish as a sport.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/18/14 08:52 PM

How narrow minded and pompous of you to degrade these schools. There is a school for everyone, and not necessarily ivy/patriot/top 10-15 D1. My son is not going to any school in this list. Is he going where we think he will have the best chances to succeed in the classroom and on the field? Yes, without a doubt. Do we think that his future coaches are top-notch and has our son's academic well-being as a top priority? Yes, without a doubt. Keep an open mind.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/18/14 09:55 PM

Oh come on. My brother went to Bryant College and majored in Naragansett Light and minored in reefer. In the 1960s families didn't waste money on 5th tier colleges and just went into a vocation. My brother did well for himself as a joke homebuilder but that had nothing to do with his college degree. But you are right, if you want a degree factory degree to play D1 bro lax go on.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/18/14 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh come on. My brother went to Bryant College and majored in Naragansett Light and minored in reefer. In the 1960s families didn't waste money on 5th tier colleges and just went into a vocation. My brother did well for himself as a joke homebuilder but that had nothing to do with his college degree. But you are right, if you want a degree factory degree to play D1 bro lax go on.



And the "Duke" commits will enjoy being fans of the game. They will have the best seats in the house while riding the pine. But dad will have a shirt to wear.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/19/14 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The VEL teams are awful. The guy who runs VEL is the Langley coach. He is swimming in money now with that VEL fall league. He was with VLC, then jumped to Fuze and now decided to start his own club. The three teams they have are pretty bad.


He runs a good high school league in the fall. If he is a HS coach doing a club to give his kids opportunities to play in fall or summer, that is a good thing.


Generally speaking, more clubs means more opportunities for more kids, so that is good from the perspective of the kids in this area.

But ask the kids who play for his HS team whether or not he pressures them to play for whatever club team he's coaching.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/19/14 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh come on. My brother went to Bryant College and majored in Naragansett Light and minored in reefer. In the 1960s families didn't waste money on 5th tier colleges and just went into a vocation. My brother did well for himself as a joke homebuilder but that had nothing to do with his college degree. But you are right, if you want a degree factory degree to play D1 bro lax go on.



And the "Duke" commits will enjoy being fans of the game. They will have the best seats in the house while riding the pine. But dad will have a shirt to wear.


The final chapters of a Landon lacrosse player. They did one 2014 Landon recruit a favor to say don't bother to enroll next year year. Ouch.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/19/14 05:12 PM

This issue happens with all college sports big schools take top 5 kids at the same postions every year. and there is only one ball and one spot. This is way they say pick a school you want to go to then look at the team. I really think there is no losers if a kid gets 4 years at Duke and never scores a goal. I am sure the new BMW will help him get over the pain.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/19/14 05:15 PM

When a kid verbally commits to Duke when he is 15 does the dad get a Duke shirt then or does he have to wait five years until the kid enrolls? And is it just one shirt, or is it home white and away blue for dads?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/19/14 06:33 PM

They go to Duke because dad pays their way. Committ.....really....just have dad pay. So right on when you say they get the Beamer upon graduation. Dads are allotted 12.5 shirts a year for the team.......same as the scholarship amount. Senior dads get first crack each year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/19/14 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
They go to Duke because dad pays their way. Committ.....really....just have dad pay. So right on when you say they get the Beamer upon graduation. Dads are allotted 12.5 shirts a year for the team.......same as the scholarship amount. Senior dads get first crack each year.


If a dad has attended more showcase events, can he get a choice between a white and a blue one? If a dad commits to a blue one, can he de-commit and go with the white one later? Do dads that have also paid IAC or MIAA school tuitions get second crack after the senior dads? Are there bonus shirts if your kid's namesake is above three roman numerals, nee Winthrop IV? This early recruiting thing is so complicated and hard to navigate.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/19/14 11:55 PM

The MD kids who are playing for 3d are the ones who couldn't make Crabs, FCA, etc. There are not 6 legitimate D1 players on that 2016 team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/20/14 02:06 AM

There aren't 6 legitimate D1 players on the FCA or Crabs 2016 teams either.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/20/14 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There aren't 6 legitimate D1 players on the FCA or Crabs 2016 teams either.


There are 16, you idiot.

CRABS 2016 - Early Verbals


Brendan O'Neil - Mid - Haverford JHU
Braden Atkinson - Mid - Calvert Hall JHU
Tyler Rockhill - Mid - St. Pauls UMD
Mitch Gordon - Att - St. Pauls UNC
​Joe Pollard - Att - St. Pauls JHU
Paul Steel - Def - Bullis JHU
Barrett Sutley -Mid - McDonogh PSU
Dave Lizana -Mid - Boys Latin Furman
Kane Randolph -LPM St Marys PSU
Jackson Morrill - A - McDonogh Yale
Arman Medghalchi - D - McDonogh Princeton
Logan Wisnauskas - A- Boys Latin Syracuse
Nicky Petkevich -A/M- Bullis Colgate

Joe Stein -M- Bullis Bucknell

Hunter Tyler -M- Severn Towson

Jake Simon -G- Bullis Brown (PG'17)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/22/14 02:55 PM

looking at that list, would it be fair to suggest that the schools these kids go to have a lot to do with the marketing of the players to colleges? it seems like if you just make varsity at some of these MIAA and IAC schools you will play D1 lacrosse. which is also saying D1 lacrosse is a pretty pathetic sport right now if over 20 kids from the same high school team are doing D1. that never happens in a real sport. Gonzaga is top shelf in football and they send what, 3-4 D1 major conference kids out every year? and that is pretty incredible to do in football.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/22/14 03:28 PM

and football has over 300 D1 scholarship programs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/22/14 05:43 PM

Great point! Lacrosse is improving athletically, but not even close to touching football and baseketball athlectically. The sport is still predominantly a white upper class sport. Take a all-county linebacker that cannot get a sniff of college football and put a long pole in his hands and he is a lacrosse stud within two years and killing it!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/22/14 07:07 PM

Lacrosse struggles to get kids from soccer, football or basketball over because those are sports with a lot of college full scholarship opportunities and are legitimate money making careers for professionals. As delusional as it is to hope for NBA or NFL, kids at least know lacrosse can't pay their way for anything. Lacrosse has been and remains a safe harbor for upper class white kids who would get bombed off the field of any real sport. The all-county linebacker would rather play D3 football than D1 lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/23/14 12:25 AM

Hey us 5-10 white guys need some sport to shine in..
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/23/14 01:06 AM

Why would anyone allow their son to play for this guy?

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/23/14 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would anyone allow their son to play for this guy?

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941


You really need another hobby Mrs. Beckwith.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/23/14 03:02 AM

Not again?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/23/14 09:00 AM

Where else they gonna play mrs Beckwith, VLC? LOL!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/23/14 01:22 PM

Lacrosse parents are the worst.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/23/14 03:27 PM

This is so funny please keep bringing the email up. It keeps Madlax on there toes and treating us better then before the email. The two young guys who are second in charge run 90% of what your son sees anyway. And these two are great guys who can Marry my daughter any day. This really goes for 100% of the coaches they are all great guys. It takes "Crazy to run Crazy" The parents in this world are just as bad or worse. And to all who read this email from our crazy owner ask where is the emails from the parents you do not see? and talk to the parents still in the program not the ones of kids who where cut from the program.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/23/14 06:40 PM

That family leaving Madlax turned out to be the greatest thing for Madlax. Deadspin could cut a doozy of a story on VLC where crazy does run crazy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/23/14 10:06 PM

The weirdo who keeps crying about Mrs. Beckwerth needs some serious help.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 12/27/14 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lacrosse parents are the worst.


Substituting "Lacrosse parents" with "The current generation of parents in youth sports" would be a more correct analogy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/08/15 11:31 PM

U15 National Champs! U13 National Champs and World Champs! Awesome job boys, coaches and Coach Cabell! Thanks for the memories
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/09/15 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
U15 National Champs! U13 National Champs and World Champs! Awesome job boys, coaches and Coach Cabell! Thanks for the memories

How many hold backs are on the team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/09/15 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
U15 National Champs! U13 National Champs and World Champs! Awesome job boys, coaches and Coach Cabell! Thanks for the memories

How many hold backs are on the team?


None, it was age based you moron.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/09/15 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
U15 National Champs! U13 National Champs and World Champs! Awesome job boys, coaches and Coach Cabell! Thanks for the memories

How many hold backs are on the team?


None, it was age based you moron.


OUCH!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/09/15 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]U15 National Champs! U13 National Champs and World Champs! Awesome job boys, coaches and Coach Cabell! Thanks for the memories[National Champs, good one!/quote]
How many hold backs are on the team?


None, it was age based you moron.


OUCH!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/09/15 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
U15 National Champs! U13 National Champs and World Champs! Awesome job boys, coaches and Coach Cabell! Thanks for the memories


LOL at Madlax idiots boasting of a "national championship".

Coach Cabell sure is a gem.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/09/15 06:28 PM

I guess it is the Program Madlax that is the National Champ for putting player together from multiple states to play in Tampa and other tournaments. How many of those players played on the same "team" throughout the year?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/09/15 07:02 PM

That tournament attracts 1-2 decent teams per division. It is a total joke to attend that one.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/09/15 07:03 PM

Well 3d,westcoast stars, and I am sure more do the same thing. And Madlax does not hide the part that the team you are playing is there National team. These travel programs are always from some kind of larger area. So all the crabs go to one school? I would like the area codes for all the hawks players. Its about being seen and playing college ball. Its the same thing as the all-star game at these one day exposure camps.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/09/15 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That tournament attracts 1-2 decent teams per division. It is a total joke to attend that one.


So what tournament has more than 1-2 decent teams at the Youth/Middle School level?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/09/15 08:49 PM

Wondering what the Congratulations to Madlax was referring to - the Director for building out a National Program he can pull kids from to form a National Championship team? Is it really a team? Or a showcase - then not really National Champs. Might as well do what Brine and UA do - invite top kids and split up the teams. Oh, I forgot - you can't make money like that if you a travel team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/09/15 08:56 PM

Madlax U15 team had 3 kids from Florida. All other players from the DC area team. And, a majority of the team was 2018, playing against 2017 teams.

Madlax played Brady's Bunch, FCA National 2017, and Sweetlax 2017 in the playoffs. All very good teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/09/15 09:58 PM

I would like the area codes for all the hawks players.


99.9% of Hawks have a 410 area code, might be one or two with a 301 area code and one player from Delaware, Hawks must be doing something right
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/09/15 11:15 PM

Didn't seem to be a joke when the Turtles won. Just sayin'

Please take your hate back to Strong Island
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/10/15 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn't seem to be a joke when the Turtles won. Just sayin'

Please take your hate back to Strong Island


The difference is that the Turtles are one team that actually plays together throughout the year. Madlax and 3D put together National All Star teams. It's a joke. It's club directors with huge egos looking for bragging rights.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/10/15 06:29 PM

Madlax is a joke for bragging about winning this stupid tournament, but they don't really have a "national team". Their national teams are almost all DC kids. The kids in their program who play in FL, CA and elsewhere are pretty bad.

3D, on the other hand, does have the ability to put national teams together and does so often.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/12/15 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would like the area codes for all the hawks players.


99.9% of Hawks have a 410 area code, might be one or two with a 301 area code and one player from Delaware, Hawks must be doing something right


The vast majority of Hawks are from the Annapolis area. Not that many come from Baltimore or DC.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/12/15 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn't seem to be a joke when the Turtles won. Just sayin'

Please take your hate back to Strong Island


The difference is that the Turtles are one team that actually plays together throughout the year. Madlax and 3D put together National All Star teams. It's a joke. It's club directors with huge egos looking for bragging rights.


Ok let me get this correct, it a "Joke" to pull out the best 22 kids from 5 or 6 programs and have them play in front of the best of the best. Please let me know how this is bad for the 22 kids on the team? And unless your club team is all from one high school or middle school every team is a "Joke"
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/12/15 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax U15 team had 3 kids from Florida. All other players from the DC area team. And, a majority of the team was 2018, playing against 2017 teams.

Madlax played Brady's Bunch, FCA National 2017, and Sweetlax 2017 in the playoffs. All very good teams.


Ugh, that's because there's barely a 2017 in the MD area that could make the U-15 cut-off. The madlax team should be 2017. Sorry, dems da faks. Why else would you put a 2018 in? Because next year they will be TOO OLD! Hello, anybody home???
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/12/15 08:38 PM

You are so dumb. Read this tournaments age rule cut offs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/13/15 04:29 AM

What 5th grade team's are going?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/13/15 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax U15 team had 3 kids from Florida. All other players from the DC area team. And, a majority of the team was 2018, playing against 2017 teams.

Madlax played Brady's Bunch, FCA National 2017, and Sweetlax 2017 in the playoffs. All very good teams.


Ugh, that's because there's barely a 2017 in the MD area that could make the U-15 cut-off. The madlax team should be 2017. Sorry, dems da faks. Why else would you put a 2018 in? Because next year they will be TOO OLD! Hello, anybody home???


My 2017 son is a D1 commit and he is 15, just aged enough to get his driver's permit. He has club teammates who have been driving themselves to school for over a year. Funny how certain programs "disappear" when there is a U-15 tournament. Pretty much eliminates every single Maryland or Philly main line club. If you wanted to enter a Canadian team for a U-15 tournament you'd need to start raiding Edge's 2020 team.

I'll give Madlax due credit for getting a U-15 team together. The other clubs would be too embarrassed to trot out 6th and 7th grade holdbacks to get a beat down against boys their own age. Would wound the self esteem too much...of the parents that is. I am not a Madlax parent, but maybe some of you hey ungrateful quitter groupies and trash throwing losers should focus a bit more on helping your 16 year old with his pre-algebra homework tonite after he drives home from his intense 40 minutes at the gym to get ready for those HS varsity tryouts as a 9th grader coming up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/13/15 06:10 PM

So what year was your son cut from Madlax or not starting for Madlax?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/13/15 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny how certain programs "disappear" when there is a U-15 tournament.


Because what HS student who is U15 eligible would want to play in a U15 event?

Nobody, it seems, except Madlax parents who are obsessed with bragging about a "national" championship that isn't anywhere near a national championship.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/14/15 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny how certain programs "disappear" when there is a U-15 tournament.


Because what HS student who is U15 eligible would want to play in a U15 event?

Nobody, it seems, except Madlax parents who are obsessed with bragging about a "national" championship that isn't anywhere near a national championship.


If my son's club asked him to play for a national championship we'd go. His club can't because of all the holdback nonsense. They'd have to take 7th grade team. The [lacrosse]'s tournament is a merit based entrance based on the performance of clubs at other feeder tournaments which all the top clubs go to. Turtles, FCA and 3d national went in 2013. Not sure about 2014. It is pretty classless to take this tone on a Madlax accomplishment. For you to say no self respecting 2017 would go is incorrect, hardly any of these 2017s can go because they play down so much and are aged out. If Jake Reed went age based, all the lemmings would go. Same with Maverick Showtime. Go sell some VLC t shirts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/14/15 12:41 PM

Madlax did not name the tournament, so how would you like them to annouce there tournament win? Would you like there Tweet to look like this "Madlax U15 National team just won the Fake over hyped Dicks National Champoinship." This tournament is a good warm up for when they play in the Young Guns and tournaments like that. They do not play with the National players very often 3 times a year at the most.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/14/15 05:02 PM

It is fair to say every lacrosse tournament is watered down now including the come one come all Crabfeast and Young Guns. The only tournament I can think of that limits to less than a dozen teams and all the teams are invite only and best in their year is the Adrenaline Platinum Cup. This sport has blown so bigger and there are so many more organized tournaments run by the top clubs that it is never going to be the case that one tournament will get all the best teams, or even most of them. There are also always going to be great teams you'll never see. If your kid plays for Madlax you'll never see the Adrenaline teams, if you are Crabs you'll never see 3d or Blackwolf, and if you are 3d you'll never see anybody else because they run their own tournaments. This all seems to be because the club owners run in little herds and don't want to invite their rivals to play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/14/15 07:13 PM

AAU basketball is the only youth sport that has the best of the best play each other. But youth football has 3 strong leagues that never play national together. Soccer I have no idea because I am not from Spain or France. I think youth baseball has 3 or more large league names to keep all the teams apart. Youth softball lets there teams play in all three of there major leagues. But you have to lose and gain players becasue of the age rules. Just saying its the same everywhere I am guessing from my veiw point
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/15/15 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If my son's club asked him to play for a national championship we'd go. His club can't because of all the holdback nonsense. They'd have to take 7th grade team. The [lacrosse]'s tournament is a merit based entrance based on the performance of clubs at other feeder tournaments which all the top clubs go to. Turtles, FCA and 3d national went in 2013. Not sure about 2014. It is pretty classless to take this tone on a Madlax accomplishment. For you to say no self respecting 2017 would go is incorrect, hardly any of these 2017s can go because they play down so much and are aged out. If Jake Reed went age based, all the lemmings would go. Same with Maverick Showtime. Go sell some VLC t shirts.



As a Madlax parent, please stop taking shots at other clubs, especially when it has nothing to do with the topic. The Deadspin article is bad enough. Making the attacks over and over again doesn't make us look very good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/15/15 12:14 PM

I agree with the other Madlax parent. Madlax is a very well run club and has great teams as a whole from top to bottom. Taking shots at VLC or any other local team does no one any good. We should all support all the local travel teams as a whole. These kids on all these teams are our sons friends and classmates in most cases.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/15/15 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree with the other Madlax parent. Madlax is a very well run club and has great teams as a whole from top to bottom. Taking shots at VLC or any other local team does no one any good. We should all support all the local travel teams as a whole. These kids on all these teams are our sons friends and classmates in most cases.


+1
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/23/15 12:19 PM

+2

Congratulations to Madlax 2019's on their World and National Championships. Amazing 2014!

Have a fun 2015
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/23/15 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
+2

Congratulations to Madlax 2019's on their World and National Championships. Amazing 2014!

Have a fun 2015
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/24/15 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
+2

Congratulations to Madlax 2019's on their World and National Championships. Amazing 2014!

Have a fun 2015



Actually, I think the entire Madlax program won the GALACTIC championship as well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/30/15 05:05 PM

Did any 2018s commit to New Jersey School of Interior Design yet?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/30/15 06:31 PM

I guess you are trying to upset someone from Madlax with this post. How can can you talk bad about the 4 players from 2018 and the schools they are going to. If they pick these same schools next year or the year after would you still be upset. The players you are trying to bad mouth are great players and will be great players in 4 years and the schools that picked them know this. If you look at 90% of all the early signings they are the kids that are bigger and project to become bigger. Its a smart gamble for these schools when they have 50 or so man rosters and only 10 people on the field at once. So in theroy they only need to hit on a 1 to 5 ratio.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/30/15 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess you are trying to upset someone from Madlax with this post. How can can you talk bad about the 4 players from 2018 and the schools they are going to. If they pick these same schools next year or the year after would you still be upset. The players you are trying to bad mouth are great players and will be great players in 4 years and the schools that picked them know this. If you look at 90% of all the early signings they are the kids that are bigger and project to become bigger. Its a smart gamble for these schools when they have 50 or so man rosters and only 10 people on the field at once. So in theroy they only need to hit on a 1 to 5 ratio.


That's the JHU, UVa and UNC early recruiting math. How's that 1 in 5 working out for those programs of late? The combined NCAA tournament wins in the past 3 years is 3. With due respect, good for the kids bad for the programs. Early recruiting is leading to disastrous impact on the youth game starting with 7th and 8th graders, and has so far resulting in garbage for results at the premier early recruiting programs. It is a dumb gamble by the NCAA programs, and is a silly thing when kids who have no HS grades are "committed" to colleges they may not be admitted at. UVa admissions said hasta la vista to two commits last year, and did not admit two verbally committed kids this year. The numbers go up at the Ivy schools. Princeton admissions declined 4 lacrosse recruits this December. Coach is basically doing a resume...he can't coach and not he can't recruit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/31/15 08:52 PM

Well you want to do the math of the kids who they pick up in there Jr or Sr. year. I am pretty sure the number of the kids working out is pretty close. Its a guessing game thats why they are betting on the 8th/9th grade kids so they can get a head start. Of all the kids from 4 or 5 years ago who where picked up in there fresh. or soph. year how many of them worked out? And if they had waited do you want me to think they would of never got signed by these same schools just in there Jr. or Sr. year? I think not they surely would of.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 01/31/15 10:56 PM

"The players ... will be great players in 4 years and the schools that picked them know this. If you look at 90% of all the early signings they are the kids that are bigger and project to become bigger."

Could be the dumbest statement to date.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/01/15 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The players you are trying to bad mouth are great players and will be great players in 4 years and the schools that picked them know this.



Nobody knows if a HS freshman who commits to a university will be a great player in 4 years, let alone some random lax dad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/02/15 02:30 PM

The point is no one knows who is going to be a great college Lax player. I am sure the Math is the same for kids they find there Sr. year. They D1 schools get 50 or more trys to find 18 studs every year. Its a numbers game its better for them to guess on 9th graders and then wait and pick up the late growers. If there college rosters where 25 kids they would have to do it your way. but they are not and this is the best way for them to do it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/02/15 04:33 PM

I can only think of one reason why lacrosse is running rosters up to 50, 55, 60 now as a 12.6 sport where there's 10 on the field and maybe 18 on a given roster who play a lot. A lot of lacrosse parents will pay most or all of tuition to have their kid attend a college to play lacrosse. That is good for business if you are a university. Let's face it, none of these kids or parents would be clamoring go to to schools like Quinnipiac, Monmouth or High Point. Those are close to "I sign your name" to get admitted schools. In the end this is better targeted advertising for colleges trying to market for tuition paying students than the hundreds of emails kids get after taking the PSAT and scoring above the bottom quartile.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/02/15 06:05 PM

Quinnipiac is not an easy school to get into academically.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/02/15 06:33 PM

Just pulled the stat, its 45 is the avg. D1 roster size. with D2 being 38 and D3 being 34. The above commit is also correct in that most Lacrosse parents can send there kid to school on there on dime. They just want them to be able to get into the school they want them to go to. So the top schools can afford to gamble on a 9th grader because they will still get the senior to come to there school and play. He just will have to pay for all of his first year until he kicks but and earns more cash.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/02/15 06:39 PM

Quinnipiac acceptance rate is 63% in 2010 do with what you want with this stat. I was to lazy to find a 2014.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/02/15 08:42 PM

Wow very surprised to hear 63% acceptance rate. Thought it would have been higher then that. Thanks for info
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/02/15 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Quinnipiac is not an easy school to get into academically.


If you spell your own name wrong on the application. Who are you trying to fool?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/03/15 02:06 AM

Lacrosse colleges with high acceptance rates in %s:

Denver 67.6
Quinnipiac 68.7
Fairfield 69.4
Delaware 59.4
Bellarmine 86.1
Towson 52.2
Mt. Saint Mary's 55.5
UMBC 61.4
Loyola 64.6
UMass 62.6
UMass Lowell 65.8
U Detroit 61.5
Rutgers 60.8
NJIT 63.7
Monmouth 71.1
Syracuse 51.3
UAlbany 51.3
High Point 64.2
Penn State 54.7
Drexel 74.9
Bryant 76.7
Furman 77.5
UVermont 76.7

That is 23 D1 scholarship schools in this sport using acceptancerate.com as a source.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/03/15 12:03 PM

So looking at this list it really depends on how smart your son is. I got a public school B student. So these numbers make me happy. But I can see how the parents paying 20k for high school could be upset if there kid picks one of these schools. I just told my son when he was U11 that if he keeps making the teams I would find a way to pay for it. Same with college and college lacrosse thats all a parent should do support there kids and there dreams and goals. There is no way to put a price on it and try to say if its worth the money or not.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/03/15 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So looking at this list it really depends on how smart your son is. I got a public school B student. So these numbers make me happy. But I can see how the parents paying 20k for high school could be upset if there kid picks one of these schools. I just told my son when he was U11 that if he keeps making the teams I would find a way to pay for it. Same with college and college lacrosse thats all a parent should do support there kids and there dreams and goals. There is no way to put a price on it and try to say if its worth the money or not.


Excellent post. The economics of men's college lacrosse are resoundingly terrible versus other sports. 12.6 over 45-60 roster positions now. Sports paid for my college and also got me to a better college I merited on academics alone. I also keep telling my kids keep at your interests and passions, and let us adults worry about the bills to cover them. College sports SHOULD be about two things. One is a financial variable, and the economics of men's college lacrosse are abysmal. 12.6 over rosters of 45-55 that are trending higher is not something for any responsible parent to focus on. If there is financial need there are forms of financial aid and academic scholarships if kids are good students. The other is what I call "marrying up" variable, which means sports can get you admitted into a better school than a kid may otherwise get into on plain application merits without a sports boost. It is a real big mistake to "commit" to a school like Denver or High Point that passports basically anyone in with mediocre grades just to have a sports social status, but that is just opinion. B students, if recruited, can go to some nifty colleges and that is the real victory. Trust me, it happened when I got that benefit and that benefit is still alive and well. Not on that list are some great academic schools that also have lacrosse programs, the service academies, etc. Lacrosse is using you - the parents - so use it back. As a parent I never went into this thinking Madlax or other club owners are my friends or that they have our families best interests in mind, because beyond coaching them in a youth sport and giving our kids a venue to enjoy this they don't have my best interests in mind.

If you are really lucky you can play a kids game for a few more years in college. What I can appreciate is looking back I enjoyed it all. Youth, HS and college sports. A kid gets the same kick out of being on a championship team or getting other accolades out of every level just the same. My parents were just as excited to see me out there playing for a town rec team as a little guy as they were later to see me compete in college, and I am grateful for that. It is a lot harder for us to pull that off in this club lacrosse cesspool, but I'm trying.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/04/15 05:13 PM

can add:
Ohio State 64.0%
Canisius 73.9%
Hofstra 58.8%
Mercer 63.1%
Robert Morris 82.3%
Siena 62.8%
St. Josephs 61.8%
Wagner 71.9%

This constitutes 31 D1 lacrosse programs at schools with acceptance rates above 50% to over 85%. This also constitutes over half of the D1 lacrosse men's lacrosse scholarship schools taking into consideration no athletic grant-in-aid at Ivy or service academies. I have no idea if there are some D1 programs that are under funded or not fully funded with the 12.6 max.

At the other extreme, obviously are the remaining Patriot League schools (Bucknell, et al) some ACC, Hopkins, Ivies and the 100% free ride service academies:
West Point 9.0%
Navy 6.8%
Air Force 9.9%

Very sobering for lacrosse parents not only looking for scholarship dough but also for a good academic college focus.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/05/15 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
+2

Congratulations to Madlax 2019's on their World and National Championships. Amazing 2014!

Have a fun 2015



Actually, I think the entire Madlax program won the GALACTIC championship as well.


L O L !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/06/15 07:13 PM

Ok let me get this worked out. You talk bad about people who only care about there kids getting to college and the money they should get. Then you talk bad about people when they talk about the titles and championships they won. When they list the titles they give a link and full name feel free to look it up and see how big of a deal it is. They are not making up the names for the championships the win. They Play in the NPYLL they play in Crabfest. Where else would you like Madlax as a whole to play in to prove they are good or not?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/07/15 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok let me get this worked out. You talk bad about people who only care about there kids getting to college and the money they should get. Then you talk bad about people when they talk about the titles and championships they won. When they list the titles they give a link and full name feel free to look it up and see how big of a deal it is. They are not making up the names for the championships the win. They Play in the NPYLL they play in Crabfest. Where else would you like Madlax as a whole to play in to prove they are good or not?


Because nobody would ever call that tournament a "national championship".

Must be nice giving your money and exposing your son to a psychopath.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/07/15 01:32 AM

That is the name of it ! You want them to rename the darn thing? I am sure your club puts all your wins on there website also. My son was raised to handle anything a coach could say to him. My family is not scared of a nasty email. And once again I am sorry your son was cut or yelled at to loud my a Madlax coach.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/07/15 01:56 AM

It's a rival club stirring the pot.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/07/15 04:21 AM

How about calling it the actual title: [lacrosse]'S Sporting Goods Tournament of Champions.

Instead, some lunatic Madlax dads and moms need to brag in the carpool line that they won the national championship.

Sad. As for the owner, being tough on kids is one thing. Threatening a kid and his family for wanting a change of scenery? You are REALLY defending that?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/07/15 12:42 PM

[quote=Anonymous]That is the name of it ! You want them to rename the darn thing? I am sure your club puts all your wins on there website also. My son was raised to handle anything a coach could say to him. My family is not scared of a nasty email. And once again I am sorry your son was cut or yelled at to loud my a Madlax coach.

Who did you beat in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP......The Mary Dobkin All Stars from Marin County?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/07/15 02:11 PM

All of this is getting old. Move on turd.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/08/15 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of this is getting old. Move on turd.


The only turd is the jerk that you give monthly checks to. Whoever heard of a club that charges its families on a monthly basis just to be part of their "academy"?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/08/15 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]That is the name of it ! You want them to rename the darn thing? I am sure your club puts all your wins on there website also. My son was raised to handle anything a coach could say to him. My family is not scared of a nasty email. And once again I am sorry your son was cut or yelled at to loud my a Madlax coach.

Who did you beat in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP......The Mary Dobkin All Stars from Marin County?


Thats a funny!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/08/15 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]All of this is getting old. Move on turd.


The only turd is the jerk that you give monthly checks to. Whoever heard of a club that charges its families on a monthly basis just to be part of their "academy"?

This is now known as the "pay monthly turd academy".
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/09/15 01:41 PM

That money is why Madlax has not a single Parent coach or member of any staff from U11 to High School. I will pay the extra money for that any day. Madlax takes the best players no matter where they go to high school or how much money there parents make. I have been seeing it for the last 5 years and it happens every season. If your kids is better he plays and makes the team. That is a fact in my eyes I have seen it proven over and over again.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/09/15 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That money is why Madlax has not a single Parent coach or member of any staff from U11 to High School. I will pay the extra money for that any day. Madlax takes the best players no matter where they go to high school or how much money there parents make. I have been seeing it for the last 5 years and it happens every season. If your kids is better he plays and makes the team. That is a fact in my eyes I have seen it proven over and over again.



You imply that Madlax is unique in this respect, which it is not. There are many other clubs that do not use parents as coaches, so please don't suggest that Madlax is unique in that respect.

Our son plays for a club that is a non-profit, has incredible players and their focus is getting kids recruited, not lining their pockets with excessive fees. Madlax can't say that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/09/15 06:55 PM

Please name this club you are talking about. And I am sure they are in bed with 1 or a couple high schools. Or if its Blackwolf they have what 3 teams or 4 so cant really compare the two. And Also if this club is in Maryland it is not really an option for anyone who lives in Va. So I am sure there are clubs that are better then Madlax but to say they do a bad job is crazy and makes you sound crazy. And it always cracks me up to hear anyone talk about how much anyone pays for there kid to play Lacrosse. Its all to much money and we are all crazy. And to compare a club cost of 500$ plus or minus is really silly to care about.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/10/15 02:41 AM

There is a non-profit boys club team that is good? Please enlighten us.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/10/15 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a non-profit boys club team that is good? Please enlighten us.


Every high level lacrosse club is non-profit. Every single one. For example:
"The Baltimore Lacrosse Club, Inc is a 501-C-3 state registered non profit." The way Crabs and other clubs do this is to have one entity that is a non-profit to which you pay your club dues and then the club pays coaches, fields, tournament fees, etc.

Now is the not so tricky part, most high level club owners have a second for profit entity to do events such as tournaments, camps and clinics. For the Crabs, this is the B'More Lax Company. If you have ever registered for a Crabs event, you'll notice the different entity https://leagueathletics.com/Default.asp?org=bmorelaxco.com

Ditto Madlax, and other clubs for this recipe. Pretty much every club will make this very clear on their website or if you asked.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/11/15 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ditto Madlax, and other clubs for this recipe.


Except Madlax is 100% purely a FOR-PROFIT company. All the profits go straight into the owner's pockets. It is about profit margin.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/11/15 12:00 PM

And if you are a Republican, You know that every thing that is for profit is better and run better and will always be better at least thats what FOX news tells me.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/11/15 01:04 PM

When you have a friend build you something you can not complain its not prefect. When you pay full price you can make the guy go back and fix it and make it prefect. So its kinda the same with Madlax you are paying for them, so they work for us. So if they are making a living off your kid getting better and being better and winning more. I am still waiting for the bad part. They do not have to do favors or kiss up to a high school program/coach.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/11/15 03:26 PM

Please name another club that CHARGES parents to advocate for their son's college lacrosse recruitment?
Posted By: The Hop

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/11/15 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
And if you are a Republican, You know that every thing that is for profit is better and run better and will always be better at least thats what FOX news tells me.


And if it was gov't run or a Liberal Democrat type of non profit it would cost 3 times as much, be highly inefficient and employ twice as many people who most likely will stand there staring at each other doing nothing. Oh yeah, the quality would spiral into the toilet having people like you begging for the free enterprise system that was in place originally. At least that's what reality tells me.

Now let's keep the politics out of it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/11/15 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please name another club that CHARGES parents to advocate for their son's college lacrosse recruitment?


Please just stop it. Please just stop it. Please just stop it. If you'd like to think MadLax is more in for the dough than the next club owner, fine. Maybe MadLax falls into the more overbearing on the money grab scale and maybe not. I am pretty sure if your club owner runs events or camps or clinics, those would be for profit ventures as well. If they weren't and you happen to be on the only elite lacrosse club whose owner is doing only the Lord's work to help the children then I apologize.

By the way, do you know or know of people who will advocate for my kid for free? What I mean by that is some club owner who will get me free videographers to do highlight reels and will let my son play for his club for free?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/11/15 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ditto Madlax, and other clubs for this recipe.


Except Madlax is 100% purely a FOR-PROFIT company. All the profits go straight into the owner's pockets. It is about profit margin.


And what do you think happens on the non-profit side coffers for part of the club fees you pay? They go to tournaments. If I gander to guess which club you are from, those funds would go from the non-profit club coffers to the B'more Lax Co or to the Aloha events for-profit side. There is nothing unique to your club or wrong about that. All events are for-profit things. You are correct that it is all about profit margin. 80 teams at $2,500 per on fields rented from your buddies at MIAA schools that your club feeds, then insurance then refs pay with donuts and coffee isn't a shabby paycheck for a weekend event. I don't find a fault in these guys charging or making the money, but really, if you believe there is anything philantropic going in inside your own club den you are sadly mistaken.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/11/15 06:28 PM

If you pay someone to do something you have power if they are doing it for free/good of it you are at there mercey. And when its for profit you do not get your feeling hurt when your kid gets cut for some kid who is better. You know this coming in no favors no back room deals. The extra money if there really is more then everyone else is worth it. If you pay them you can say call these 5 colleges and they will or tell you why they wont. If its free or just on there schedule once again you are on his schedule. Thats how the USA works.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/11/15 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please name another club that CHARGES parents to advocate for their son's college lacrosse recruitment?
So you think Madlax will hang up on a coach if the kid did not pay for the extra service. I know for a fact you are told to use any of the coaches names and numbers on any thing you want to fill out. And I know they pick the phone up and answer any question the college coach has. That extra package is open to anyone even non Madlax players. And there is several things out on the internet just like it for more or the same amount of money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/14/15 10:00 PM

Madlax only charges VLC and Blackwolf kids that fee. Here were too may requests...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/15/15 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax only charges VLC and Blackwolf kids that fee. Here were too may requests...


Dude, please stop embarrassing us by dissing other programs. It doesn't help at all.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/15/15 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax only charges VLC and Blackwolf kids that fee. Here were too may requests...


Dude, please stop embarrassing us by dissing other programs. It doesn't help at all.


Instead of sounding like a complete pansy. How bout you stand up for your program when someone starts dissing it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/15/15 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax only charges VLC and Blackwolf kids that fee. Here were too may requests...


Dude, please stop embarrassing us by dissing other programs. It doesn't help at all.


Instead of sounding like a complete pansy. How bout you stand up for your program when someone starts dissing it.



You are a total idiot. The two clubs you mentioned had nothing to do with the comments made about Madlax.

Continuing to insult other clubs doesn't help out reputation.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/15/15 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax only charges VLC and Blackwolf kids that fee. Here were too may requests...


Dude, please stop embarrassing us by dissing other programs. It doesn't help at all.


Instead of sounding like a complete pansy. How bout you stand up for your program when someone starts dissing it.



You are a total idiot. The two clubs you mentioned had nothing to do with the comments made about Madlax.

Continuing to insult other clubs doesn't help out reputation.


Still sounding like a little puss, and not a very smart one at that. The majority of the comments on this forum come from forum trolling, scumbag vlc parents.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/15/15 02:12 PM

1980 called.They want their insult back. Pansy?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/15/15 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax only charges VLC and Blackwolf kids that fee. Here were too may requests...


Dude, please stop embarrassing us by dissing other programs. It doesn't help at all.


Instead of sounding like a complete pansy. How bout you stand up for your program when someone starts dissing it.



You are a total idiot. The two clubs you mentioned had nothing to do with the comments made about Madlax.

Continuing to insult other clubs doesn't help out reputation.


Still sounding like a little puss, and not a very smart one at that. The majority of the comments on this forum come from forum trolling, scumbag vlc parents.


For the last time, stop making the rest of us who play for Madlax look bad. You sound as idiotic as that email.

If you would stop insulting other clubs, this thread would die.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/16/15 12:32 AM

(applause) The moral compass has returned.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/16/15 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
(applause) The moral compass has returned.


What a pansy, puss comeback. Since that's what your post are all about I figured its appropriate to call you what you are. Btw. Your not anonymous.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/16/15 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous](applause) The moral compass has returned.


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/16/15 02:14 PM

This forum should be shut down here and sent over the the dc area urban moms blog. There are 3-4 very loud and insufferable parents from both clubs and the rest of us would really appreciate it if these two clubs could behave better and hopefully sanction these parents in some way for the vitriolic stuff that has been brewing for the last 3-4 years. Most Madlax and VLC parents are normal and would just like to take our kids to practices and games without these sideshows. The kids at these rival clubs are friends and most of the parents are too. Like one earlier poster put it, you're not anonymous. We all know who the amped up parents are from both clubs. This has been going on for so long and has created so much misery and reputation damage to BOTH clubs, that it is time to stop. And let's be honest...several of the top high school age kids have left both programs for Blackwolf, FCA and 3d. What is that telling us? No wait...this is the part where our clubs like to interject the # of commits bragging and how much other local programs stink, and so do their player and teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/16/15 02:35 PM

Did you even graduate from college?
Posted By: The Hop

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/16/15 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This forum should be shut down here and sent over the the dc area urban moms blog. There are 3-4 very loud and insufferable parents from both clubs and the rest of us would really appreciate it if these two clubs could behave better and hopefully sanction these parents in some way for the vitriolic stuff that has been brewing for the last 3-4 years. Most Madlax and VLC parents are normal and would just like to take our kids to practices and games without these sideshows. The kids at these rival clubs are friends and most of the parents are too. Like one earlier poster put it, you're not anonymous. We all know who the amped up parents are from both clubs. This has been going on for so long and has created so much misery and reputation damage to BOTH clubs, that it is time to stop. And let's be honest...several of the top high school age kids have left both programs for Blackwolf, FCA and 3d. What is that telling us? No wait...this is the part where our clubs like to interject the # of commits bragging and how much other local programs stink, and so do their player and teams.


Feel free to post your thoughts as often as you like. Don't let the few nut jobs who usually make a lot of noise distract you. Remember no one here is anonymous.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/20/15 06:13 PM

Well now that everyone thinks they are no longer anonymous I see this fourm being a lot more boring. Everyone knows how the internet works and you never want your name connected to any thoughts online good or bad and we all know they will never go away. I come here to here all the anonymous thoughts. You just have to know they are all 50% true and 50% peronal thoghts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/20/15 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well now that everyone thinks they are no longer anonymous I see this fourm being a lot more boring. Everyone knows how the internet works and you never want your name connected to any thoughts online good or bad and we all know they will never go away. I come here to here all the anonymous thoughts. You just have to know they are all 50% true and 50% peronal thoghts.


Just goes to show ya what a bunch of pussies the tough guy posters are. Afraid to stand by your words. That's right....go hide you Chicken Sh!?s.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/20/15 10:32 PM

Back to lacrosse....Does anyone know who is officially playing in the NPYLL this spring along with who left the NPYLL and went to other spring leagues? When does the NPYLL usually post the schedules for the season?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/20/15 11:57 PM

VLC? Blackwolf? C'mon really?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 02/22/15 01:47 AM

What's u with UM? Is the Rambo circus too much to handle? Bad loss to Yale for sure.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/13/15 06:48 PM

Looks like MADLAX is doing well - beat the LI teams this weekend in 7th & 8th grade. Any eyewitness account on whether this is true?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/13/15 09:32 PM

I saw the 4/12 8th grade game Madlax 2019 (Orange) v. LI Expess (the team from Long Island, not Westchester) at Landon. Madlax won by a lot, but I am not entirely sure of the score (I lost track around 9-4, but heard it was 11-5 in the end).

Did not see the 7th grade Madlax 2020/Express game.

I know Express had its 2019 Westchester team at Landon on 4/12 for games, too, but Madlax 2019 (Orange) did not play them. Madlax 2019 beat the Westchester Express team in March at Landon. It was not a close game, but I do not remember the score.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/14/15 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like MADLAX is doing well - beat the LI teams this weekend in 7th & 8th grade. Any eyewitness account on whether this is true?


Madlax 2020 (Capital area All Star team) played in the NYPLL league this past Sunday and lost to Breakers 2020. Must have been their "National" all star team put together just for the weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/15/15 11:11 AM

Well we will see what the Breakers record ends up being this season. They put good teams on the field. But I do know for a fact the two Madlax scores this weekend playing LI Express are correct. We would need to ask an LI dad to fill us in on what teams we played and if those where there best squads or not?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/15/15 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well we will see what the Breakers record ends up being this season. They put good teams on the field. But I do know for a fact the two Madlax scores this weekend playing LI Express are correct. We would need to ask an LI dad to fill us in on what teams we played and if those where there best squads or not?


Not an Express parent but know a few from both Long Island and North - watched the madlax game in March vs Express North (Westchester). Final was 6-3. Heard they were missing several players and dont carry as big a roster normally as many clubs do. Madlax was the better team but North was very competitive.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/16/15 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like MADLAX is doing well - beat the LI teams this weekend in 7th & 8th grade. Any eyewitness account on whether this is true?


Madlax 2020 (Capital area All Star team) played in the NYPLL league this past Sunday and lost to Breakers 2020. Must have been their "National" all star team put together just for the weekend.


Point was not who is better -not sure why everything comes down to that on these forums. The point was that two madlax 2020 teams must have played this weekend and clearly the team that played li express was the better of their two teams so probably the national team as opposed to their capital area team that played locally Was not a challenge statement.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/16/15 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like MADLAX is doing well - beat the LI teams this weekend in 7th & 8th grade. Any eyewitness account on whether this is true?


Madlax 2020 (Capital area All Star team) played in the NYPLL league this past Sunday and lost to Breakers 2020. Must have been their "National" all star team put together just for the weekend.


Madlax National teams only play together twice a year at certain tournaments. Once in the summer and once in the winter. They do not play together at any other time so I am sure that this was not their National team.

Point was not who is better -not sure why everything comes down to that on these forums. The point was that two madlax 2020 teams must have played this weekend and clearly the team that played li express was the better of their two teams so probably the national team as opposed to their capital area team that played locally Was not a challenge statement.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/17/15 10:40 AM

Well if you could get 8th graders to fly in for one game from Texas,Cali and Fl. Then you would of had the National team. But it clearly was not and you know this. This site is so full of "TROLLS" I like to read about the teams and players in the area. But we will never really now who is better or best.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/17/15 12:02 PM

The all star part would be pulling player from 2019 to play in what should be a 2020 game since some may be age eligible. Notice "7th and 8th grade" instead of by the normal graduation year used. If it did not matter then why post the note as an enticement for tryouts?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/17/15 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like MADLAX is doing well - beat the LI teams this weekend in 7th & 8th grade. Any eyewitness account on whether this is true?


Yes - 2019 won handily, 2020 won in OT
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/17/15 02:03 PM

Non troll straight question,
How / why did VLC fall apart? They had such strong HS teams just a year or two ago, but at the youth level just cratered. Why? Too expensive, not enough coaches or good coaches, grass is greener at other clubs???
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/17/15 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well if you could get 8th graders to fly in for one game from Texas,Cali and Fl. Then you would of had the National team. But it clearly was not and you know this. This site is so full of "TROLLS" I like to read about the teams and players in the area. But we will never really now who is better or best.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/17/15 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The all star part would be pulling player from 2019 to play in what should be a 2020 game since some may be age eligible. Notice "7th and 8th grade" instead of by the normal graduation year used. If it did not matter then why post the note as an enticement for tryouts?


The teams are 6 and 7 graders play for 2020 and only 8th graders play for 2019. I can confirm there is not a single kid who is in the 8th grade at this time on the 2020 team for a fact.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/18/15 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Non troll straight question,
How / why did VLC fall apart? They had such strong HS teams just a year or two ago, but at the youth level just cratered. Why? Too expensive, not enough coaches or good coaches, grass is greener at other clubs???


Please stop. You post the same thing every week and it only serves to make the rest of us look poorly.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/18/15 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well if you could get 8th graders to fly in for one game from Texas,Cali and Fl. Then you would of had the National team. But it clearly was not and you know this. This site is so full of "TROLLS" I like to read about the teams and players in the area. But we will never really now who is better or best.


Do something about the trolls. Use that big Madlax budget to get separate uniforms for the National teams so your opponents know who they are playing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/18/15 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The all star part would be pulling player from 2019 to play in what should be a 2020 game since some may be age eligible. Notice "7th and 8th grade" instead of by the normal graduation year used. If it did not matter then why post the note as an enticement for tryouts?


The teams are 6 and 7 graders play for 2020 and only 8th graders play for 2019. I can confirm there is not a single kid who is in the 8th grade at this time on the 2020 team for a fact.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]The all star part would be pulling player from 2019 to play in what should be a 2020 game since some may be age eligible. Notice "7th and 8th grade" instead of by the normal graduation year used. If it did not matter then why post the note as an enticement for tryouts?


The teams are 6 and 7 graders play for 2020 and only 8th graders play for 2019. I can confirm there is not a single kid who is in the 8th grade at this time on the 2020 team for a fact. [/quote

So are there two 2020 teams last week or one team that played Breakers and LI Express the same day? ]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/18/15 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Well if you could get 8th graders to fly in for one game from Texas,Cali and Fl. Then you would of had the National team. But it clearly was not and you know this. This site is so full of "TROLLS" I like to read about the teams and players in the area. But we will never really now who is better or best.


Do something about the trolls. Use that big Madlax budget to get separate uniforms for the National teams so your opponents know who they are playing.

Or, you could do something really unique these days. Just man-up and beat them instead of whining. Crabs do it all the time
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/18/15 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Well if you could get 8th graders to fly in for one game from Texas,Cali and Fl. Then you would of had the National team. But it clearly was not and you know this. This site is so full of "TROLLS" I like to read about the teams and players in the area. But we will never really now who is better or best.


Do something about the trolls. Use that big Madlax budget to get separate uniforms for the National teams so your opponents know who they are playing.

Or, you could do something really unique these days. Just man-up and beat them instead of whining. Crabs do it all the time


Madlax National 2019 smoked the crabs the last time they played tuff guy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/19/15 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well if you could get 8th graders to fly in for one game from Texas,Cali and Fl. Then you would of had the National team. But it clearly was not and you know this. This site is so full of "TROLLS" I like to read about the teams and players in the area. But we will never really now who is better or best.


Do something about the trolls. Use that big Madlax budget to get separate uniforms for the National teams so your opponents know who they are playing.

Or, you could do something really unique these days. Just man-up and beat them instead of whining. Crabs do it all the time


Madlax National 2019 smoked the crabs the last time they played tuff guy.

Nope didn't happen tuff guy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 04/20/15 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Well if you could get 8th graders to fly in for one game from Texas,Cali and Fl. Then you would of had the National team. But it clearly was not and you know this. This site is so full of "TROLLS" I like to read about the teams and players in the area. But we will never really now who is better or best.


Do something about the trolls. Use that big Madlax budget to get separate uniforms for the National teams so your opponents know who they are playing.

Or, you could do something really unique these days. Just man-up and beat them instead of whining. Crabs do it all the time


Like someone has already said the National team only plays 2 times a year and they do wear a National Madlax uniform.
Also it looks like the Crabs and Madlax will be playing each other twice in Npyll this year so we will see if the Big Dogs are still at the top or the evil empire has risen to knock them off.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 05/19/15 04:25 PM

Did anybody notice the shake up at Madlax for the younger summer teams (formerly U13 and younger)? No more blue teams - only grade based teams. I wonder how many kids will be displaced by the change.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 05/19/15 05:10 PM

I think there is still the same total of teams. Before they had the two grad yeas combined into a orange and blue. Now there is just a orange for each grad year. Which if you think about it, when it was U13 it was the 7th graders on orange and the 6th graders on blue. It kinda hurts the kids that would of played up to orange but it helps the kids on blue have better players on there team. This had to happen with the total of Va club teams growing by 2 teams a year the last 5 years it seems like. It could hurt or help Madlax only time will tell.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 05/20/15 04:15 PM

The assumption is that any second year players on the blue will be moved to the new orange team based on graduation year. If that player was not good enough for the orange in September or March, why would they be moved up as new players tryout instead of cut? In other words, there will be 'weaker' players displaced by the change and tryouts - I wonder how many and what choices are left. Most clubs have moved to fall tryouts so . . .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 05/20/15 04:32 PM

Madlax gladly takes the money of anyone who tries out, which is why they field multiple teams at the youth level. Those Blue and White kids have horrible experiences. Madlax can't field teams in HS because those families have wised up by then.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 05/20/15 04:53 PM

I have enjoyed when my son was on the Blue team. There Blue team is still better then these other B level programs. If you want to be on a discount lacrosse club you are correct its cheaper. But there blue teams play in better tournaments then these B programs in NOVA. The rule of thumb for me is if your club team is playing in a tournament in the state of VA your club is for fun only. So I always say what is my better option? And you will always have kids who's skill level is in between AA and A or between A and B. Or you have the Parent who thinks there kid should be on A and he is B player. When you start younger with Madlax and get used to the money, you get a consistent situation. You know the teams and games will be played and be played at a above avg level. You know that it does not matter who your father is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 05/20/15 05:04 PM

I count 7 teams from 2016 to 2019 being played by Madlax this summer. And 90% or more of Madlax teams are Private school kids.
Which would imply they are going to be going to a private high school. And most of the big High school Lacrosse programs in the area have summer and team camps for there Lacrosse teams. So the next thing I am going to hear is Blackwolf and guess what they are good. But that does not make Madlax "BAD" because they are good. Madlax has and will never be a bad option. There might be a better team at a certain time. But if you want to assure it will be above avg to great no matter the year or age Madlax is the best option in NOVA.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 05/20/15 05:10 PM

Let me ask a question do these kids that leave the blue and white teams stop playing travel lacrosse? I am guessing that is a no. Do they leave and play for a team that calls themselves a AA or A team? Is this old blue player a better player now that he is on a AA or A team? And can we show that the other clubs in NOVA can beat Madlax and there Blue or White teams?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/03/15 06:42 PM

The rosters are starting to appear for the summer teams . . . how are the tryouts going?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/04/15 12:31 PM

They are going good. Like always the turn over is more then the other clubs but with the 2020 and 2019 clubs the core kids are all back. The 2020 team lost some good players but gain some good new ones also. There is still spots to be had on this team. The 2019 blue team will be better then in the spring for sure.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/10/15 01:51 PM

Consider this: there is a public school player who is a rising 10th grader (ie Class of 2018)(and played for Madlax 2018 this year) who has "reclassified" himself for Club lacrosse purposes only and will play for MadLax 2019 starting this summer, although he will not be held back in school. This is being justified because he has decided to take a PG year after he graduates from high school in order to better his chances to play Division 1 lacrosse in college and for no other reason. He has a May 2000 birthday so in all honesty his age matches up to many 2019 players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/10/15 02:19 PM

That is nothing. Madlax's teams are filled with tons of reclassified kids. They have a 2017 kid who played with Madlax 2018 last fall despite the fact the kid was STILL enrolled as a 2017 in a VA public school. My son heard he is still enrolled in that public school as a 2017 yet he's playing again this summer with Madlax 2018.

I can name at least 8 reclassified kids on the Madlax teams and there are probably a ton more.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/10/15 02:41 PM

My son birthday is May 2001 and he plays 2019 club. I must be stupid.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/10/15 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son birthday is May 2001 and he plays 2019 club. I must be stupid.


He is where he should and your grammar is impeccable.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/10/15 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son birthday is May 2001 and he plays 2019 club. I must be stupid.


He is where he should and your grammar is impeccable.


Nice sentence.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/10/15 05:27 PM

What happen to MadLax 2021? Their battles with the Hawks last year were fun to watch?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/10/15 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happen to MadLax 2021? Their battles with the Hawks last year were fun to watch?


Their awesome attack are all on the 2022 team now
One of their top middies went to the Hawks 2022
One of their top poles left for Bethesda
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/10/15 08:46 PM

That happens to Madlax a lot these days. Their best HS players leave for other clubs and now they are seeing the same thing happen to their youth teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/11/15 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That happens to Madlax a lot these days. Their best HS players leave for other clubs and now they are seeing the same thing happen to their youth teams.

I agree they are losing more players at the younger level then the past. It for sure there pricing model. Also I see a trend from the smaller newer programs, they have or give the impression that they are connected to the local high school programs and the kids get scared to leave them. Also all of these programs are run by Dads of kids cut by Madlax in the past and they spend lots of effort to bash them for their faults. Fair and unfair LOL I think it will take 2 or 3 more years but I see Madlax dropping the monthly fee the charge. I think that scares so many great players parents away when they are young. And So many of these other programs do not play where Madlax and VLC play during the summer the parents out of the loop think tournaments in Manassas and Va Beach are the good ones.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/13/15 11:20 PM

Well can someone please explain how Madlax 2019Blue and VLC are both in the 2019B bracket in this Maryland Lacrosse tournament. They are playing with the second Freedom Lax team, not even there top team. I just wish they pushed these teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/14/15 11:35 AM

After playing down all fall and spring, VLC is still not sure how good they are. Why test your players when yoy can go undefeated.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/14/15 01:20 PM

Good to know you bring up the same subject again and again. You are really making Madlax look good with your constant negative comments about other clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/14/15 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That happens to Madlax a lot these days. Their best HS players leave for other clubs and now they are seeing the same thing happen to their youth teams.

I agree they are losing more players at the younger level then the past. It for sure there pricing model. Also I see a trend from the smaller newer programs, they have or give the impression that they are connected to the local high school programs and the kids get scared to leave them. Also all of these programs are run by Dads of kids cut by Madlax in the past and they spend lots of effort to bash them for their faults. Fair and unfair LOL I think it will take 2 or 3 more years but I see Madlax dropping the monthly fee the charge. I think that scares so many great players parents away when they are young. And So many of these other programs do not play where Madlax and VLC play during the summer the parents out of the loop think tournaments in Manassas and Va Beach are the good ones.


I guess all of those G Prep kids who came up through Club Blue lost out big in recruiting and college placement. Not. I guess Ryan Conrad coming up through Loonies and all the Annapolis Hawks kids playing D1 failed to get noticed too. Not. Madlax and to a lesser extent VLC have strong teams, but the clubs and families going to other tournaments are not losers or losing out. As I write there is an Adrenaline think in Philly, a big tournament in Richmond and the Denver Shootout all running and a lot of the best players from those teams aren't playing this weekend for their clubs if they are on the U.S. U19 indoor team playing in Philly this weekend. Always assume there are great players on good teams playing in tournaments you aren't at and you'll always be correct. The game is not too big and too widespread and too political for "all the best" to be together at once auditioning in front of all the important coaches. That just is not nearly the case in reality.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/14/15 02:06 PM

[quote=Anonymous]Good to know you bring up the same subject again and again. You are really making Madlax look good with your constant negative comments about other clubs. [/quote
Dont care about madlax, just pointing out facts and wonder what the excuses will be for them to continue to sandbag. Still waiting for the score of championship game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/14/15 03:36 PM

Uh-oh. Redneck Madlax dad is back. I wonder if he realizes the other Madlax parents on his team are pleading with him to drop it and stop making them all look like lunatics.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/14/15 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Good to know you bring up the same subject again and again. You are really making Madlax look good with your constant negative comments about other clubs. [/quote
Dont care about madlax, just pointing out facts and wonder what the excuses will be for them to continue to sandbag. Still waiting for the score of championship game.


The score of the championship game was VLC 10 Bethesda 5. By the way, they have switched to the AA division for the Maryland Lacrosse Tournament as well as Youngunz. It's always nice to do your research before you make yourself look like a moron with the continuous whining - why bring up VLC in a Madlax thread anyway? It's exhausting...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/15/15 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is nothing. Madlax's teams are filled with tons of reclassified kids. They have a 2017 kid who played with Madlax 2018 last fall despite the fact the kid was STILL enrolled as a 2017 in a VA public school. My son heard he is still enrolled in that public school as a 2017 yet he's playing again this summer with Madlax 2018.

I can name at least 8 reclassified kids on the Madlax teams and there are probably a ton more.


There is a kid who turned 16 two months ago playing on a team that just finished 8th grade this month? Half of the calendar aged kids who graduated 8th grade are still 13. My oldest was age eligible to play in Colorado years back at the U13 national after he graduated from 8th grade.

If his younger siblings were injured in a game as a 13 year old or just turned 14 year old by a 16 year old playing on a rising 9th grade summer team, that tournament owner would need one heck of a lawyer before he even made it to his car. This is an absolute disgrace and an abject insult to safety on the fields. Impossible for parents to accept if kids aren't being recruited to such an extreme that this will be a third at bat for a 8th grade kid with the PG verbal move. A little financial advice...the college tuition break lacrosse may provide will be a fraction of all the eventual club fees and private school tuitions invested.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/15/15 12:40 PM

The tournaments are all about money. The directors do not care about the age of the players. Did the check clear? Play the games and here is a plastic trophy. C'ya on the links. Oh, BTW your kid is the next D1 prospect. Cash is always good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/15/15 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Good to know you bring up the same subject again and again. You are really making Madlax look good with your constant negative comments about other clubs. [/quote
Dont care about madlax, just pointing out facts and wonder what the excuses will be for them to continue to sandbag. Still waiting for the score of championship game.


The score of the championship game was VLC 10 Bethesda 5. By the way, they have switched to the AA division for the Maryland Lacrosse Tournament as well as Youngunz. It's always nice to do your research before you make yourself look like a moron with the continuous whining - why bring up VLC in a Madlax thread anyway? It's exhausting...


Well Biff, if you had done your homework you would see that I was responding to another post hence I did not bring it up I was simply answering a question...Kudos to the honorable VLC for finally doing the right thing. Bravo Bravo
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/15/15 02:10 PM

I am also glad VLC moved up I know some VLC kids and they deserve to play the best and see what they can do in the higher level. They have some AA kids on that team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/15/15 02:40 PM

What happened to Madlax? They got killed at the Adrenaline Platinum Cup.

2016 went 1-4

2017 had an easy draw and got the #1 overall seed. Then lost their 1st playoff game against lowest seed

2018 - their best team by far - went 1-4

2019 went 1-3-1


I guess having all those holdbacks isn't helping Madlax, either.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/15/15 03:34 PM

The 2018 Madlax team is quite good. Maybe they just had a bad day. They were up 5-0 over Crabs and lost 7-5. That team has been competitive and both beaten and lost to other top 2018 teams. Frankly the Madlax 2016 and the VLC 2016 teams have never been strong. The Madlax 2017 team on its best days was decent, but not elite. The VLC 2017 was dynamite in 8th grade but was ravaged by attrition...several top players went off to other clubs or have settled into playing for their school at a few events each summer. The only great HS team VLC sustained were the 2015s who are now out of the summer club system. The suggestion that the VLC 2019s are not up to a prior lofty standard is off...VLC HS teams have been rapidly deteriorating for 2-3 years now. Blackwolf and some other clubs including Madlax have been better retaining top players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/15/15 07:18 PM

VLC 2019 went 6-0 in the Gait Rumble in Richmond this past weekend and won the championship.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/16/15 12:08 AM

There is 2 hold backs on madlax 2019 and they were up by 3 on the top 3 teams there and blew it. This weekend with cleaner play they will win it. the were up on triple H 6-1 at half.....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/16/15 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is 2 hold backs on madlax 2019 and they were up by 3 on the top 3 teams there and blew it. This weekend with cleaner play they will win it. the were up on triple H 6-1 at half.....


Woulda, coulda, shoulda. That's what you get for cheating with holdbacks. One of the kids on that 2019 team was a 2018 high school freshman last year but is now playing for Madlax's 2019 team.

Cheaters.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/16/15 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
VLC 2019 went 6-0 in the Gait Rumble in Richmond this past weekend and won the championship.

Where any of these teams they played any good it looks like the Roughriders keep it close?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/16/15 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is 2 hold backs on madlax 2019 and they were up by 3 on the top 3 teams there and blew it. This weekend with cleaner play they will win it. the were up on triple H 6-1 at half.....


Woulda, coulda, shoulda. That's what you get for cheating with holdbacks. One of the kids on that 2019 team was a 2018 high school freshman last year but is now playing for Madlax's 2019 team.

Cheaters.

So what team does your son play for? I would guess they have at least 2 holdbacks.
And yes I think holdbacks are cheating but i am sure all the teams there had at least 2 holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/16/15 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is 2 hold backs on madlax 2019 and they were up by 3 on the top 3 teams there and blew it. This weekend with cleaner play they will win it. the were up on triple H 6-1 at half.....


Woulda, coulda, shoulda. That's what you get for cheating with holdbacks. One of the kids on that 2019 team was a 2018 high school freshman last year but is now playing for Madlax's 2019 team.

Cheaters.


That is a classless move. At what point do the "National" players fly in to supplant the DC/Nova players?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/16/15 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is 2 hold backs on madlax 2019 and they were up by 3 on the top 3 teams there and blew it. This weekend with cleaner play they will win it. the were up on triple H 6-1 at half.....


Woulda, coulda, shoulda. That's what you get for cheating with holdbacks. One of the kids on that 2019 team was a 2018 high school freshman last year but is now playing for Madlax's 2019 team.

Cheaters.


That is a classless move. At what point do the "National" players fly in to supplant the DC/Nova players?


Guess they should consult with Crabs who have perfected the art of bringing in other players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/16/15 12:13 PM

Our 2019 team has no hold backs. We play against teams with hold backs all the time in the tournaments. Pretty sad but a club tournament win means a lot to most of these clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/16/15 01:44 PM

It doesn't surprise me that Madlax has a ton of holdbacks. Besides that ridiculous threatening email, this is the club that charges its families a monthly "academy fee" just for the right to be part of Madlax. Good to see that their cheating ways doesn't pay off on the field.

I've seen that 2018 team. Super overrated and nowhere near as good as the top 2018 teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/16/15 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
VLC 2019 went 6-0 in the Gait Rumble in Richmond this past weekend and won the championship.


W.T.G.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/16/15 05:47 PM

By the way, they have switched to the AA division for the Maryland Lacrosse Tournament as well as Youngunz.

Baby Blue better call Big Daddy and tell him to fix it because YounGunz site still shows them in 2019B
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/16/15 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
By the way, they have switched to the AA division for the Maryland Lacrosse Tournament as well as Youngunz.

Baby Blue better call Big Daddy and tell him to fix it because YounGunz site still shows them in 2019B


That it does, Sherlock! It also shows "last updated 4/17/15", so this clearly does not reflect the recent change made just a week ago... *sigh* so painful...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/17/15 09:01 PM

So can the Madlax parents defend all the holdbacks on their teams? Didn't think so.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/17/15 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So can the Madlax parents defend all the holdbacks on their teams? Didn't think so.


A visitor from the Crabs board?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/17/15 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So can the Madlax parents defend all the holdbacks on their teams? Didn't think so.


A visitor from the Crabs board?


That sounds like just about all the defense there is - hahahahaha
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/17/15 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So can the Madlax parents defend all the holdbacks on their teams? Didn't think so.


A visitor from the Crabs board?


More likely a LI parent. Why would a Crabs parent post this when they have as many holdbacks as Madlax?

The lack of a response from Madlax is telling.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/18/15 10:49 AM

They have holdbacks for sure but like 3 or less a team. Madlax is still mostly VA kids not MD
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/18/15 01:16 PM

If you want to see holdbacks, go see Philly teams, much higher percentage than MIAA. IAC teams might be higher than Philly, will be close, but definitely higher than baltimore area teams
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/18/15 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
They have holdbacks for sure but like 3 or less a team. Madlax is still mostly VA kids not MD



What does it matter what state they live in? Holdbacks are holdbacks.

Their 2017 has 4 holdbacks for sure, and probably more. They have a kid who finished 10th grade at a public school (and is still in that school) who is playing for their Rising 10th grade team. They have a kid who finished 9th grade at a public school and is now the FOGO for their Rising 9th grade team.

Cheaters.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/18/15 05:28 PM

No response from Madlax parents?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/18/15 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They have holdbacks for sure but like 3 or less a team. Madlax is still mostly VA kids not MD



What does it matter what state they live in? Holdbacks are holdbacks.

Their 2017 has 4 holdbacks for sure, and probably more. They have a kid who finished 10th grade at a public school (and is still in that school) who is playing for their Rising 10th grade team. They have a kid who finished 9th grade at a public school and is now the FOGO for their Rising 9th grade team.

Cheaters.

I agree it is a form of cheating just saying its only 1 or 2 kids. Not 12 or more.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/18/15 07:21 PM

But it's not 1-2. They have 4 or more on one of the HS teams and every team they have has holdbacks.

I don't think the Crabs have 12 holdbacks on a team. From what I hear, both Madlax and Crabs are about the same when it comes to kids who repeat a grade.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/18/15 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
But it's not 1-2. They have 4 or more on one of the HS teams and every team they have has holdbacks.

I don't think the Crabs have 12 holdbacks on a team. From what I hear, both Madlax and Crabs are about the same when it comes to kids who repeat a grade.


And this makes playing younger kids to gain an advantage okay? The issue being discussed is twofold:

1)the consistent strategy of using many holdbacks at every level by the Crabs and 2) how they broke rules at Beach Lax by jumping the gun and self designating kids as 2020 when they have not attended a day of school as 2020 but had graduated from 8th grade and were permitted to play current 7th graders.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/19/15 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
But it's not 1-2. They have 4 or more on one of the HS teams and every team they have has holdbacks.

I don't think the Crabs have 12 holdbacks on a team. From what I hear, both Madlax and Crabs are about the same when it comes to kids who repeat a grade.

Its not cheating when you have holdbacks on a high school age team. Only cheating when its 8th grade and below. High school age teams have to be what grade the kid is in. No matter how many times he was held back.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/19/15 02:14 PM

It's cheating when Madlax 2019 has a kid playing for them who just finished his freshman year in HS and is being heldback to repeat 9th. Talk to the Madlax 2019 parents - they'll admit it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/19/15 06:19 PM

2019 to 2016 are all recruiting age teams starting this summer. The kid has to play on the team he plans to graduate high school with. The recruiters read the teams name and year and recruit those kids with a plan based on the years tell they will be able to attend their college. Does it suck for the kid who was bumped to blue or cut because of it yes you are correct. I agree any year below the high school teams a reclass kid playing down is cheating but from 2019 to 2016 not a chance its cheating its just the way it is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/21/15 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's cheating when Madlax 2019 has a kid playing for them who just finished his freshman year in HS and is being heldback to repeat 9th. Talk to the Madlax 2019 parents - they'll admit it.


Didn't help them yesterday either - they lost to VLC 2019 in the tourney yesterday at McDonogh. Where'd that MadLax dad go who said VLC 2019 couldn't touch MadLax Orange? Guess you were wrong - again...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/21/15 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's cheating when Madlax 2019 has a kid playing for them who just finished his freshman year in HS and is being heldback to repeat 9th. Talk to the Madlax 2019 parents - they'll admit it.


Didn't help them yesterday either - they lost to VLC 2019 in the tourney yesterday at McDonogh. Where'd that MadLax dad go who said VLC 2019 couldn't touch MadLax Orange? Guess you were wrong - again...

This is the best post ever that was Madlax Blue that you only beat by one goal. Not the orange team. The orange team is at the Big4 tournament with all the big good teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/21/15 04:58 PM

Once again people please look into all the teams in the area and learn about the levels of play and what really are the best tournaments. I feel so bad for the kids I know are to good to be on the team they are playing for. Because their parents do not take the time to research and find the best team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/21/15 08:28 PM

It is really weird how Madlax parents constantly bring up other clubs on this thread. I guess anything to deflect from the number of holdbacks on their teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/22/15 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's cheating when Madlax 2019 has a kid playing for them who just finished his freshman year in HS and is being heldback to repeat 9th. Talk to the Madlax 2019 parents - they'll admit it.


Didn't help them yesterday either - they lost to VLC 2019 in the tourney yesterday at McDonogh. Where'd that MadLax dad go who said VLC 2019 couldn't touch MadLax Orange? Guess you were wrong - again...

This is the best post ever that was Madlax Blue that you only beat by one goal. Not the orange team. The orange team is at the Big4 tournament with all the big good teams.


Lol - that's funny because they called themselves orange, and the 2021 Orange team was there too, and got destroyed in every game. It also was a different roster than the 2019 mad lax blue team at the Richmond Rumble a week ago - that's weird, huh? Guess it gets confusing when you constantly move kids all over from team to team...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/22/15 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's cheating when Madlax 2019 has a kid playing for them who just finished his freshman year in HS and is being heldback to repeat 9th. Talk to the Madlax 2019 parents - they'll admit it.


Didn't help them yesterday either - they lost to VLC 2019 in the tourney yesterday at McDonogh. Where'd that MadLax dad go who said VLC 2019 couldn't touch MadLax Orange? Guess you were wrong - again...

This is the best post ever that was Madlax Blue that you only beat by one goal. Not the orange team. The orange team is at the Big4 tournament with all the big good teams.


Lol - that's funny because they called themselves orange, and the 2021 Orange team was there too, and got destroyed in every game. It also was a different roster than the 2019 mad lax blue team at the Richmond Rumble a week ago - that's weird, huh? Guess it gets confusing when you constantly move kids all over from team to team...

Madlax 2019 Blue was in DC at the Team Camp. And yes the summer team has some new players from the spring team. They have tryouts in the spring and for summer. Please Please Please Please just go to Madlax website and you can see the Rosters and where they will be. I understand hating Madlax they have given you lots of reasons to hate them. But please do a little research it will take 5 mins just go to MADLAX.COM and click the Capital tab and go from there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/22/15 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's cheating when Madlax 2019 has a kid playing for them who just finished his freshman year in HS and is being heldback to repeat 9th. Talk to the Madlax 2019 parents - they'll admit it.


Didn't help them yesterday either - they lost to VLC 2019 in the tourney yesterday at McDonogh. Where'd that MadLax dad go who said VLC 2019 couldn't touch MadLax Orange? Guess you were wrong - again...

This is the best post ever that was Madlax Blue that you only beat by one goal. Not the orange team. The orange team is at the Big4 tournament with all the big good teams.


Lol - that's funny because they called themselves orange, and the 2021 Orange team was there too, and got destroyed in every game. It also was a different roster than the 2019 mad lax blue team at the Richmond Rumble a week ago - that's weird, huh? Guess it gets confusing when you constantly move kids all over from team to team...

Madlax 2019 Blue was in DC at the Team Camp. And yes the summer team has some new players from the spring team. They have tryouts in the spring and for summer. Please Please Please Please just go to Madlax website and you can see the Rosters and where they will be. I understand hating Madlax they have given you lots of reasons to hate them. But please do a little research it will take 5 mins just go to MADLAX.COM and click the Capital tab and go from there.

Sorry I wanted to say they where in Team camp the weekend of the Richmond Tournament you are talking about. All the team and there tournament schedule are very easy to find on the website. Madlax put everything out there for all to see. Rosters schedules and everything else you would like to know.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/22/15 01:27 PM

i'm confused with all of the colors and geographics, is VLC still sandbagging or did they finally step up and play AA teams
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/22/15 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
i'm confused with all of the colors and geographics, is VLC still sandbagging or did they finally step up and play AA teams

No I think they are playing where they should. We will see what happens when they play in Young guns. That should be a true AA or AAA tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/22/15 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i'm confused with all of the colors and geographics, is VLC still sandbagging or did they finally step up and play AA teams

No I think they are playing where they should. We will see what happens when they play in Young guns. That should be a true AA or AAA tournament.

Well I just checked they are playing in the 2019B bracket. Madlax Orange is playing in the top 2019A Bracket
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/22/15 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i'm confused with all of the colors and geographics, is VLC still sandbagging or did they finally step up and play AA teams

No I think they are playing where they should. We will see what happens when they play in Young guns. That should be a true AA or AAA tournament.


Just change the name to PLC, Plaque Lacrosse Chasers, why challenge kids when we can keep playing our AA team against local A teams and just keep collecting hardware. I wonder if decision is coming from baby blue or king crab. keep hearing and keep seeing two different stories about youngunz, will be interesting to see
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/22/15 02:04 PM

Why do the same 1-2 dads keeping bringing up that club on their Madlax thread? The obsession is weird.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/22/15 02:12 PM

How will the Madlax 2020 team do in this weekend's tournament?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/22/15 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How will the Madlax 2020 team do in this weekend's tournament?


The 2020 is not very good. One of the weaker Madlax teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/22/15 04:22 PM

I see a MadLax 2021 for the Poolesville Tourney. I thought a previous post said they disbanded?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/22/15 04:50 PM

Just change the name to PLC, Plaque Lacrosse Chasers, why challenge kids when we can keep playing our AA team against local A teams and just keep collecting hardware. I wonder if decision is coming from baby blue or king crab. keep hearing and keep seeing two different stories about youngunz, will be interesting to see [/quote]

To keep mentioning is to flatter, which does not seem to be the intent here. The deli sandwich menu at Jersey Mike's is more interesting than any VLC team to me, and if your kid plays for Madlax, should be ditto. Sounds like you'll see them on the field at Young Gunz and that will help settle out where everyone's team caliber is at.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/22/15 05:36 PM

not really a madlax question, but figure therewill be some players involved as well as VLC, Blackwolf, etc. Does anyone have rosetr info for Wavelax vs. Freestate Games this coming Thursday
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/22/15 06:09 PM

People mention VLC because they are local and will always be linked to Madlax the same with Blackwolf. Just like on the Crabs thread they talk about the breakers, hawks, and three or four others. Maybe someone should start a VLC thread and then it would be ok to talk about VLC. And this is how the Forum thing is supposed to work. Talking about one topic but moving off it from time to time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/22/15 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
not really a madlax question, but figure therewill be some players involved as well as VLC, Blackwolf, etc. Does anyone have rosetr info for Wavelax vs. Freestate Games this coming Thursday


never mind roster are up now on Wavelax, lookign froward to three good games
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/24/15 09:41 PM

Madlax 2020 played together for the first time as a team this past weekend at NSCLA. Lost in OT to Thunder (GA) first game, beat C2C (not sure which one), beat Edge (Canada), beat Denver Elite, lost to Tomahawks (eventual champs) in round of 6. They should gel more with practices and more games. Next up is Madlax Capital Classic.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/26/15 04:36 PM

Madlax 2021 (rising 7th) has at least one kid who is a 2020 kid (rising 8th). How do these cheaters get away with it?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/29/15 01:39 PM

Ok lets all get our thoughts out about this new Madlax VA and Madlax MD teams. It sounds like the VA teams should be good from the start but what does everyone think about the Maryland team on day one? This new system should only help the Orange teams now just the Capital team. I guess we will never have to worry about asking what color team someone is talking about.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/29/15 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok lets all get our thoughts out about this new Madlax VA and Madlax MD teams. It sounds like the VA teams should be good from the start but what does everyone think about the Maryland team on day one? This new system should only help the Orange teams now just the Capital team. I guess we will never have to worry about asking what color team someone is talking about.


Just another way for Madlax to make more money. It screws the families who play for the B team because now there is a B team in MD and a B team in VA instead of just one B team. More families will have $100 automatically charged to their credit cards every month.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/29/15 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok lets all get our thoughts out about this new Madlax VA and Madlax MD teams. It sounds like the VA teams should be good from the start but what does everyone think about the Maryland team on day one? This new system should only help the Orange teams now just the Capital team. I guess we will never have to worry about asking what color team someone is talking about.


Just another way for Madlax to make more money. It screws the families who play for the B team because now there is a B team in MD and a B team in VA instead of just one B team. More families will have $100 automatically charged to their credit cards every month.

I for sure agree it will be for more money. But the Madlax parents must make them have smaller rosters. If they are still keeping 24 players on each of the 3 teams I will not be happy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/29/15 03:34 PM

Didn't he try this before, why would it work now with more clubs on the scene if it didn't work the first time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/29/15 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn't he try this before, why would it work now with more clubs on the scene if it didn't work the first time.

He has a new guy and new store in MD. If he just takes 2 players from each of the clubs now and puts them with the MD kids already on rosters,should be fine. Also must carry less kids per team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/29/15 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn't he try this before, why would it work now with more clubs on the scene if it didn't work the first time.

He has a new guy and new store in MD. If he just takes 2 players from each of the clubs now and puts them with the MD kids already on rosters,should be fine. Also must carry less kids per team.


He also used to have a store in Alexandria. It's closed. He also used to have a store in Ashburn. It's closed.

There are a lot of kids playing lacrosse, so I'm sure he'll find enough kids to fill out two B teams. But they will be terrible. It's hard for any club to have a decent B team, let alone two.

It's all about money. Remember this is the guy who charges his players a monthly fee (on top of the monthly fee everyone at Madlax already pays) just to advocate for his players to college coaches, something every other club does as a courtesy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/29/15 06:35 PM

You can't reduce the rosters and survive in the summer. 24 is a lot of boys for a spring team to get playing time, although it can be done if the coach is committed to it. (2018 Hawks proved that last year) If you carry less than 23-24 kids and have an injury or a vacation, it can make for a grueling summer tournament
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/29/15 09:36 PM

The new MADLAX structure addresses two problems - additional players from MD (mostly Bethesda) will not have to drive all the way to VA for practices and the talent drain. I am not sure it will work for all of the age groups the first year but it will eventually fill up the wallet, I mean rosters.

I would be concerned about having a squad practicing in two locations but playing as one team on the weekends if I understand the process. How do you get good chemistry between the midfield and attack - during games?

The options are endless - NPYLL vs HoCo for spring if the MD teams fill up; two levels of All Star teams - Capital and National; and the pool is 48 instead of 24 for any given tournament (using the numbers given previously).

What's interesting is that the 'studs' are generally played and rise to the top. These kids get their playing time against better competition but what happens to the other players? Will there be 12 players left at home when the 'real' tournaments begin? What kid will understand that they are a Capital All Star but not a National All Star at 2022?

Will it help or hurt the brand?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/29/15 10:36 PM

It is all about putting money in that guy's pockets.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/30/15 01:49 AM

They can always play in the Great Falls Select League with Nova West and Cavs...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/30/15 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is all about putting money in that guy's pockets.

Well you are correct its about making money. So having good teams and good players makes him more money. So if you want to play on a good team and with good players it should be a fit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/30/15 07:03 PM

I think people have the wrong impression of Mr. Maddux and I must admit I did also, until today that is. Everyone thinks he is just a money grabbing [lacrosse] and that is just not true. I just received a email inviting me to add my email address to his data base for get this FREE, absolutely gloriously 100 per cent FREE......what a jackass
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 06/30/15 09:57 PM

Don't forget how he charges his family over $300 a month just to reach out to colleges on behalf of those families. What a concept - charge hundreds of dollars a month for something other clubs do for fre.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/01/15 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't forget how he charges his family over $300 a month just to reach out to colleges on behalf of those families. What a concept - charge hundreds of dollars a month for something other clubs do for fre.

I think you are reading that wrong, that package you are talking about is for a kid that does not play for Madlax and wants someone to do recruiting services for them. They do charge a monthly fee that other clubs do not charge but it goes from 50$ a month then 75$ then 100$. And the assumption is this money goes to pay the coaches. I can confirm they all get paid but how much I do not know. I have compared what I pay to what VLC,Next level and some of the others charge and it works out to like 1500$ more for a complete year of lacrosse. And the funny part is I have never met a Lacrosse parent that does not have the money. The money for all the clubs is nuts. So one team is 2000$ a year and the other is 3500$ a year. And any of the clubs that go with the 750$ a year model are being coached by Dads and Rec coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/01/15 12:24 PM

An all the kids will be desk jockeys just like us. LOL. Save you money for tutors and 529 plans.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/01/15 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
An all the kids will be desk jockeys just like us. LOL. Save you money for tutors and 529 plans.

I agree with this. But I am paying for him to be pushed and for him to see there is always someone better you have to keep working and making yourself better. Which is the skill you need the most to be the best DESK JOCKEY you can be.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/01/15 01:51 PM

HS Breakers cost was $2,500 this year!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/01/15 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
HS Breakers cost was $2,500 this year!

Ok so that gets you what? 4 summer tournaments. does that pay for any fall league games or winter league games? I think the summer payment for most teams on Madlax was 1400 to 1500. Plus the monthly 100$ or 75$ fee.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/01/15 02:48 PM

Breakers - Four summer tournaments, two fall tournaments, practices, membership to LacrosseRecruits.com, and practice and game uniforms (less helmet).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/01/15 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HS Breakers cost was $2,500 this year!

Ok so that gets you what? 4 summer tournaments. does that pay for any fall league games or winter league games? I think the summer payment for most teams on Madlax was 1400 to 1500. Plus the monthly 100$ or 75$ fee.

I would love for a thread to start up with a break down for each club, each season so we all could win from this information.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/01/15 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't forget how he charges his family over $300 a month just to reach out to colleges on behalf of those families. What a concept - charge hundreds of dollars a month for something other clubs do for fre.

I think you are reading that wrong, that package you are talking about is for a kid that does not play for Madlax and wants someone to do recruiting services for them. They do charge a monthly fee that other clubs do not charge but it goes from 50$ a month then 75$ then 100$. And the assumption is this money goes to pay the coaches. I can confirm they all get paid but how much I do not know. I have compared what I pay to what VLC,Next level and some of the others charge and it works out to like 1500$ more for a complete year of lacrosse. And the funny part is I have never met a Lacrosse parent that does not have the money. The money for all the clubs is nuts. So one team is 2000$ a year and the other is 3500$ a year. And any of the clubs that go with the 750$ a year model are being coached by Dads and Rec coaches.


1. I know a former Madlax family. While they were with Madlax, they tried to get the owner to make calls for them by paying the fee. Owner turned them down, saying that their kid wasn't D1 material. Then the kid got better and owner changed his mind, and they paid him a monthly fee for a time on top of the other Madlax fees. Decides to leave for a different club and now the kid will be playing for a high D1 school this fall. Feels fortunate that they left Madlax.

2. The fee isn't to pay the coaches - the fee goes straight to the bottom line (i.e. the owner's pockets).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/01/15 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't forget how he charges his family over $300 a month just to reach out to colleges on behalf of those families. What a concept - charge hundreds of dollars a month for something other clubs do for fre.

I think you are reading that wrong, that package you are talking about is for a kid that does not play for Madlax and wants someone to do recruiting services for them. They do charge a monthly fee that other clubs do not charge but it goes from 50$ a month then 75$ then 100$. And the assumption is this money goes to pay the coaches. I can confirm they all get paid but how much I do not know. I have compared what I pay to what VLC,Next level and some of the others charge and it works out to like 1500$ more for a complete year of lacrosse. And the funny part is I have never met a Lacrosse parent that does not have the money. The money for all the clubs is nuts. So one team is 2000$ a year and the other is 3500$ a year. And any of the clubs that go with the 750$ a year model are being coached by Dads and Rec coaches.


1. I know a former Madlax family. While they were with Madlax, they tried to get the owner to make calls for them by paying the fee. Owner turned them down, saying that their kid wasn't D1 material. Then the kid got better and owner changed his mind, and they paid him a monthly fee for a time on top of the other Madlax fees. Decides to leave for a different club and now the kid will be playing for a high D1 school this fall. Feels fortunate that they left Madlax.

2. The fee isn't to pay the coaches - the fee goes straight to the bottom line (i.e. the owner's pockets).


So he was wrong about a kid and his skill, he thought he was not D1 so he did not take the parents money based on his thoughts. But he is all about the money and the bottom line. So this would mean he would of took the money and made calls even thought he felt the kid was not D1.
And also until the other clubs lay out what it cost and what you get for that money like Madlax does on a open website its all hearsay. I am sure its the most or close to the most but by how much. And once again the kid and his skill gets him into D1. The club team gives him a place to show his skill. These cold calls people want there coach to make is just nuts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/02/15 01:52 PM

Having a kid who finished recruiting process and one who may be entering it in a year, I can tell you that comment is off. There are hundreds of kids as good or better than D1 committed kids in high school right now who: 1. didn't go to showcase events (costs a lot to attend them, some people can't afford it), 2. didn't go to a prep school for lacrosse (the focus here is 100% what Madlax or others can do for you, but often a much more powerful advocate is a prep coach, even if your son hasn't even played a game for him yet!), 3. didn't pay up directly or indirectly for the club coach to audition their kid versus the kid standing next to him whose family sent him to every conceivable Maxlax, Crabs, etc. clinic, camp or other event.

Loyalty is a two way street, and the way club guys see it loyalty to them is attending and paying up for upteen events along the way. Parents see loyalty as smile and dial for my son, and making sure that is paid for is the only way it seems to happen in a lot of instances. How does a prep school push a 9th grader before tryouts? Last summer we brought him up for a tournament with our varsity, and golly he is a swell kid and an advanced player for his age. And he is only going to get a lot better in his four years at [fill in blank DC area elite lacrosse team prep school]. Yup, my son goes to a private school for lacrosse and for other desired reasons as we think it is a good school and academic fit for him. But I won't be a hypocrite: his chances of getting a college recruited spot were 0.00% if he rode the club team wave alone since I didn't roll like that to go to all the clinics and other nonsense they kept selling.

If you think your son playing better on the field is nearly enough, you are very mistaken and will learn different as you advance through the process. Our club -- not Madlax -- did NOTHING to help our son get a college spot, but that does not stop the club from taking all the credit for it or listing it on the club website.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/02/15 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Having a kid who finished recruiting process and one who may be entering it in a year, I can tell you that comment is off. There are hundreds of kids as good or better than D1 committed kids in high school right now who: 1. didn't go to showcase events (costs a lot to attend them, some people can't afford it), 2. didn't go to a prep school for lacrosse (the focus here is 100% what Madlax or others can do for you, but often a much more powerful advocate is a prep coach, even if your son hasn't even played a game for him yet!), 3. didn't pay up directly or indirectly for the club coach to audition their kid versus the kid standing next to him whose family sent him to every conceivable Maxlax, Crabs, etc. clinic, camp or other event.

Loyalty is a two way street, and the way club guys see it loyalty to them is attending and paying up for upteen events along the way. Parents see loyalty as smile and dial for my son, and making sure that is paid for is the only way it seems to happen in a lot of instances. How does a prep school push a 9th grader before tryouts? Last summer we brought him up for a tournament with our varsity, and golly he is a swell kid and an advanced player for his age. And he is only going to get a lot better in his four years at [fill in blank DC area elite lacrosse team prep school]. Yup, my son goes to a private school for lacrosse and for other desired reasons as we think it is a good school and academic fit for him. But I won't be a hypocrite: his chances of getting a college recruited spot were 0.00% if he rode the club team wave alone since I didn't roll like that to go to all the clinics and other nonsense they kept selling.

If you think your son playing better on the field is nearly enough, you are very mistaken and will learn different as you advance through the process. Our club -- not Madlax -- did NOTHING to help our son get a college spot, but that does not stop the club from taking all the credit for it or listing it on the club website.

This is well written and seems to be way better informed then me. So I have some questions for you. Can you rank in order of importance for a lacrosse D1 spot, Club team, Showcase events, Prep school/Private school, website, highlight video, Call from club coach, call from Private school coach, call/email from you/kid. I think everyone would like some help with this.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/03/15 11:35 PM

Thanks. Take with some salt because this is just my experience alone:
1. prep coaches - I think it is sad but true that lacrosse is still very caught in the prep school spiral. In exact words my son's prep coach said the club coach has your kid for 3-5 weeks in summer and some weekends in fall. Prep coaches have the kid every day for 90+ days. Their reference is credible, even when it is (IMHO) pathetic when the kid hasn't even had a spring 9th grade season yet. They can also give the recruiter comfort that the kid will develop in their program.
2. Showcases should not be important for prep parents given #1, but I think are indispensable for public kids. I would say buyer beware because there is a lot of crap. The best ones are Philly Showcase, Adrenaline Black Card and Marverik Showtime. Unfortunately Showtime is a harder one to access from here because it is run by Long Island guys and politically dominated by locals. I don't really have anything + or - to say about the 3d Blue Chip auditions for the Jake Reed thing. We didn't pony up for that and don't really know what we were missing.
3. Prospect days are underrated - if your son has a list short enough of 2-4 schools these are good ways to get in front of coaches at the schools.
4. Club lacrosse ranks last because it belongs there. My son went through the process and to be candid I heard more than one college coach make a snarky comment about pushy club coaches and owners. In truth all clubs would try to sell them anything and that costs credibility over time. The club coach is also the one most likely to mislead you. In 7th grade everybody is a Hopkins early recruit candidate. In 9th grade they like to mention how competitive those spots are, then they like to start with the speech about how you can help them sell your son by...buying more crap like clinics and videos.

I would also say don't spend a lot on recruiting videos. I truly believe that a coach will want and need to see your son at a showcase, a prospect day at his field or at a club tournament combo. Every kid can put together a video where they score 10 goals or stop 10 shots. Unless it is a tape from a high level prep game, showcase game or club game where you know your son is on a good Madlax team vs a good Crabs team or something like that, don't waste a lot of money on it. Also smart to buy a $200-$300 video camera once and do a homemade video. I've hear led a million times how important video is, but I just don't believe the coaches really care about it too much. They need to see your son play and play well through one medium listed above.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/04/15 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks. Take with some salt because this is just my experience alone:
1. prep coaches - I think it is sad but true that lacrosse is still very caught in the prep school spiral. In exact words my son's prep coach said the club coach has your kid for 3-5 weeks in summer and some weekends in fall. Prep coaches have the kid every day for 90+ days. Their reference is credible, even when it is (IMHO) pathetic when the kid hasn't even had a spring 9th grade season yet. They can also give the recruiter comfort that the kid will develop in their program.
2. Showcases should not be important for prep parents given #1, but I think are indispensable for public kids. I would say buyer beware because there is a lot of crap. The best ones are Philly Showcase, Adrenaline Black Card and Marverik Showtime. Unfortunately Showtime is a harder one to access from here because it is run by Long Island guys and politically dominated by locals. I don't really have anything + or - to say about the 3d Blue Chip auditions for the Jake Reed thing. We didn't pony up for that and don't really know what we were missing.
3. Prospect days are underrated - if your son has a list short enough of 2-4 schools these are good ways to get in front of coaches at the schools.
4. Club lacrosse ranks last because it belongs there. My son went through the process and to be candid I heard more than one college coach make a snarky comment about pushy club coaches and owners. In truth all clubs would try to sell them anything and that costs credibility over time. The club coach is also the one most likely to mislead you. In 7th grade everybody is a Hopkins early recruit candidate. In 9th grade they like to mention how competitive those spots are, then they like to start with the speech about how you can help them sell your son by...buying more crap like clinics and videos.

I would also say don't spend a lot on recruiting videos. I truly believe that a coach will want and need to see your son at a showcase, a prospect day at his field or at a club tournament combo. Every kid can put together a video where they score 10 goals or stop 10 shots. Unless it is a tape from a high level prep game, showcase game or club game where you know your son is on a good Madlax team vs a good Crabs team or something like that, don't waste a lot of money on it. Also smart to buy a $200-$300 video camera once and do a homemade video. I've hear led a million times how important video is, but I just don't believe the coaches really care about it too much. They need to see your son play and play well through one medium listed above.



Dont have a son going thru that ,,,but that is a nice explanation for the process.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/04/15 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't forget how he charges his family over $300 a month just to reach out to colleges on behalf of those families. What a concept - charge hundreds of dollars a month for something other clubs do for fre.

I think you are reading that wrong, that package you are talking about is for a kid that does not play for Madlax and wants someone to do recruiting services for them. They do charge a monthly fee that other clubs do not charge but it goes from 50$ a month then 75$ then 100$. And the assumption is this money goes to pay the coaches. I can confirm they all get paid but how much I do not know. I have compared what I pay to what VLC,Next level and some of the others charge and it works out to like 1500$ more for a complete year of lacrosse. And the funny part is I have never met a Lacrosse parent that does not have the money. The money for all the clubs is nuts. So one team is 2000$ a year and the other is 3500$ a year. And any of the clubs that go with the 750$ a year model are being coached by Dads and Rec coaches.


1. I know a former Madlax family. While they were with Madlax, they tried to get the owner to make calls for them by paying the fee. Owner turned them down, saying that their kid wasn't D1 material. Then the kid got better and owner changed his mind, and they paid him a monthly fee for a time on top of the other Madlax fees. Decides to leave for a different club and now the kid will be playing for a high D1 school this fall. Feels fortunate that they left Madlax.

2. The fee isn't to pay the coaches - the fee goes straight to the bottom line (i.e. the owner's pockets).


So he was wrong about a kid and his skill, he thought he was not D1 so he did not take the parents money based on his thoughts. But he is all about the money and the bottom line. So this would mean he would of took the money and made calls even thought he felt the kid was not D1.
And also until the other clubs lay out what it cost and what you get for that money like Madlax does on a open website its all hearsay. I am sure its the most or close to the most but by how much. And once again the kid and his skill gets him into D1. The club team gives him a place to show his skill. These cold calls people want there coach to make is just nuts.


The cost of Madlax is far above what people pay for Blackwolf, VLC, etc. Not even close.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/04/15 05:37 PM

The cost of what all of you are paying is too much. $1500-$2000 for a fall season involving a few practices and 2-3 one day tournaments is not a good value. Same for 4 weeks of summer lacrosse is not a great value either. If you are a VLC or a Blackwolf parent chances are you are buying more lacrosse than just your club fees, and those events are also expensive for what they are. I can rent a turf field for $95 an hour and have done so a few times for kids' soccer parties. Over a club team practicing 2x 25 roster kids, those field rentals they keep talking about being expensive works out to less than $4 per kid per 2 hour training session.

My son got a scholarship to a top lacrosse program and it is $12,000 for the first year. That still leaves over $40,000 a year to pay. Good that it is a great school, but if any of you are doing this for a return on investment you'll be pretty disappointed later. I find it silly.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/04/15 06:40 PM

I don't know of a single family taking on the expense of club lacrosse for ROI--not measured monetarily, anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/05/15 04:42 PM

2019 national team in the finals of young guns. Beat crabs by one
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/05/15 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2019 national team in the finals of young guns. Beat crabs by one


Madlax 2019 over Edge 9-8 in Championship.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/05/15 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2019 national team in the finals of young guns. Beat crabs by one


Madlax 2019 over Edge 9-8 in Championship.


Make sure you always say National Madlax team. I do not want to hear how we cheated and lied. This team is mostly the local Orange team with 6 or so players from the partner programs. Anyone can check the real numbers on Madlaxs open to the public site if you want to check.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/05/15 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2019 national team in the finals of young guns. Beat crabs by one


Madlax 2019 over Edge 9-8 in Championship.


Make sure you always say National Madlax team. I do not want to hear how we cheated and lied. This team is mostly the local Orange team with 6 or so players from the partner programs. Anyone can check the real numbers on Madlaxs open to the public site if you want to check.


So many teams - so hard to keep track...HAHAHA
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 03:17 AM

Congrats to 2019 mad lax....they are the team to beat in that year group.

Serious question: what is going to happen now in northern va club lax?

Madlax could barely support one AA team per year group this year, but they seem to be expanding to have a MD AA team and a VA AA team. Will this work? What will this do to the other nova clubs like freedom and VLC? 2020's and 2021's seem pretty weak to me in northern va. Does the market expand quite a bit around the 7th and 8th grade years? No one seems to offer very good value in Va as far as youth clubs...mad lax is very pricey, VLC not committed to the youth at all, Cavs play in really crappy tourneys. Other clubs seem a little fleeting. Why?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to 2019 mad lax....they are the team to beat in that year group.

Serious question: what is going to happen now in northern va club lax?

Madlax could barely support one AA team per year group this year, but they seem to be expanding to have a MD AA team and a VA AA team. Will this work? What will this do to the other nova clubs like freedom and VLC? 2020's and 2021's seem pretty weak to me in northern va. Does the market expand quite a bit around the 7th and 8th grade years? No one seems to offer very good value in Va as far as youth clubs...mad lax is very pricey, VLC not committed to the youth at all, Cavs play in really crappy tourneys. Other clubs seem a little fleeting. Why?

I agree with 90 to 95 % of this post. I am hoping as a Madlax dad that with the new VA club the prices come down some. And at the least the practices and off season leagues are going to be more local. In VA it should not be that hard for them to maintain what they have if you look at each roster it only has 3 to 5 MD kids on it at the most. A down side of being around for so long is that Madlax has cut more kids over the years then all these clubs combined. So when you cut a kid you lose his 2 younger brothers because dad is mad. All these smaller clubs where formed by dads of kids that where cut from Madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 01:36 PM

What is the total cost per year for madlax? Like fall thru summer with whatever winter option they have?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 02:24 PM

How do the age requirements work for tournaments such as yesterday's in Baltimore? Age or class year? I saw a kid playing yesterday at a 2019 game and I swear I saw him at a JV game this past spring. Thanks for any info, just trying to figure if there are different rules for tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the total cost per year for madlax? Like fall thru summer with whatever winter option they have?

Well first you have the 50$,75$ or 100$ a monthly charge. So that adds up to 900$ for the 75$ age. Middle school age teams. Summer was 1500$ for 90% of the teams. Spring was 750$ I think someone correct that if I am wrong. And in the fall for the sunday league games I think its $250 But that will change because of the new State model. Then you have the 3 fall tournaments which is $750. Now for winter there is the North stars box travel team which is 2500K or so but then they have the Madlax box league which is around $250. So lets try to add this all up. I am coming up with a number around 4400k for a complete 12 months of Madlax lacrosse. This is you doing everything minus the North Stars box travel team. Now you have to add in the travel and hotels. So if you really want to come up with a number I would say $5000 if you round down.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do the age requirements work for tournaments such as yesterday's in Baltimore? Age or class year? I saw a kid playing yesterday at a 2019 game and I swear I saw him at a JV game this past spring. Thanks for any info, just trying to figure if there are different rules for tournaments.

This is funny I know you know who you are talking about. But I will play your game. This kid was at a Public school as a 9th grader. He is going to be going to a Private high school this Fall as a 9th grader again. So by grad year rules he is a 2019.
He has played with the 2018 this whole summer but he is on the 2019 Madalx National team. And everyone may start with the commits now!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 02:58 PM

And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 03:04 PM

Madlax has more holdbacks on their rosters than the Crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do the age requirements work for tournaments such as yesterday's in Baltimore? Age or class year? I saw a kid playing yesterday at a 2019 game and I swear I saw him at a JV game this past spring. Thanks for any info, just trying to figure if there are different rules for tournaments.

This is funny I know you know who you are talking about. But I will play your game. This kid was at a Public school as a 9th grader. He is going to be going to a Private high school this Fall as a 9th grader again. So by grad year rules he is a 2019.
He has played with the 2018 this whole summer but he is on the 2019 Madalx National team. And everyone may start with the commits now!


Is there also a player that is a rising 10th grader but he plays with the 2019 team because he is planning to do a PG year?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 03:18 PM

I heard Billy Madison is going to play with MadLax 2020 in the fall...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 03:25 PM

Yes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.


If true, that is clearly a violation of the rules and Madlax should have their tournament wins vacated.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 04:08 PM

Madlax also has a 2020 kid (going into 8th) who is playing on their 2021 AA team. That is a clear violation of rules, yet they are breaking them by having a rising 8th grader play on a rising 7th grade team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.


If true, that is clearly a violation of the rules and Madlax should have their tournament wins vacated.


Are you insane? Wins vacated? Make a 30 on 3o about it. Call it "the lost T shirt"

This happens all over country. Tournaments, parents and most importantly college coaches, don't care. 17 year old college freshman or 20 year old college freshman! Doesn't matter to them!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.


That stinks for the 2019 teams that played by the rules. Does the tournament director not check these things? I thought 2019 meant only class of 2019 (or younger) could be on the team(s).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
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And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.


If true, that is clearly a violation of the rules and Madlax should have their tournament wins vacated.


Are you insane? Wins vacated? Make a 30 on 3o about it. Call it "the lost T shirt"

This happens all over country. Tournaments, parents and most importantly college coaches, don't care. 17 year old college freshman or 20 year old college freshman! Doesn't matter to them!


As a parent of a 2019 player in the tournament, I definitely care that another program had a 2018 player playing for them. That is blatantly cheating. You are condoning having a 2018 player on a 2019 team during a tournament?
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 05:23 PM

Someone needs to tell the Crabs about this cheating. No wonder Madlax won it all. Their 2019 team isn't that great. Having an older kid explains how they were able to win it.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
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And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.


If true, that is clearly a violation of the rules and Madlax should have their tournament wins vacated.


Are you insane? Wins vacated? Make a 30 on 3o about it. Call it "the lost T shirt"

This happens all over country. Tournaments, parents and most importantly college coaches, don't care. 17 year old college freshman or 20 year old college freshman! Doesn't matter to them!


As a parent of a 2019 player in the tournament, I definitely care that another program had a 2018 player playing for them. That is blatantly cheating. You are condoning having a 2018 player on a 2019 team during a tournament?


No. I think it is wrong and absolutely cheating. Unfortunately it is what goes on. Clubs are encouraging it. Flat out telling you to do it. Would never let my son do it, but if you look to "vacate" every win of every team you play who has a reclass, holdback or future PG kid, you will spend years being frustrated and wasting time and energy on something that will not change.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someone needs to tell the Crabs about this cheating. No wonder Madlax won it all. Their 2019 team isn't that great. Having an older kid explains how they were able to win it.


That is funny!
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 05:45 PM

I figured crabnation would come knocking quickly to divert attention from their own debacle of a program. These programs that cheat and twist and bend rules should be ashamed, but their not. They should be policed, but they won't be. I am thankful that I came to the game during a time of great on field development and it was still about playing hard and grabbing a beer or a soda afterwards, I'm thankful my boys came to the game during a great time of expansion and got to benefit from playing kids outside of their region before they got to college. I'm even more thankful that I only have one left in high school and I can leave this rat race soon and just watch them play college into club ball and maybe one of them in the MLL if it happens. What saddens me and make me sick to my stomach is the thought of what will become of this great game for my grandchildren. I think people should be ashamed of what they have done to this game in the name of proving who is better than who, what state is better than the other, destroying this game for just outright greed is a sin.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.


If true, that is clearly a violation of the rules and Madlax should have their tournament wins vacated.


Are you insane? Wins vacated? Make a 30 on 3o about it. Call it "the lost T shirt"

This happens all over country. Tournaments, parents and most importantly college coaches, don't care. 17 year old college freshman or 20 year old college freshman! Doesn't matter to them!


As a parent of a 2019 player in the tournament, I definitely care that another program had a 2018 player playing for them. That is blatantly cheating. You are condoning having a 2018 player on a 2019 team during a tournament?


No. I think it is wrong and absolutely cheating. Unfortunately it is what goes on. Clubs are encouraging it. Flat out telling you to do it. Would never let my son do it, but if you look to "vacate" every win of every team you play who has a reclass, holdback or future PG kid, you will spend years being frustrated and wasting time and energy on something that will not change.


Having a kid who reclassed is one thing. Have a kid who is still in a grade above a team of kids is another. That is ridiculous.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 06:42 PM

I think the main kid getting hurt by this is the kid on age and small for his age. Who has not hit his growth spurt yet. This is the kid who is being cut or benched for a older kid stealing his spot. That is the real issue. The main thing is for your kids to become better players. And my small on age son is getting benched and not getting better. He should be on the field but if you count up the 30 reclass kids at 2019 from the 10 top clubs thats a lot of starting spots.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And there is another on the 2019 Madlax National Team who was 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.


If true, that is clearly a violation of the rules and Madlax should have their tournament wins vacated.


Are you insane? Wins vacated? Make a 30 on 3o about it. Call it "the lost T shirt"

This happens all over country. Tournaments, parents and most importantly college coaches, don't care. 17 year old college freshman or 20 year old college freshman! Doesn't matter to them!


As a parent of a 2019 player in the tournament, I definitely care that another program had a 2018 player playing for them. That is blatantly cheating. You are condoning having a 2018 player on a 2019 team during a tournament?


No. I think it is wrong and absolutely cheating. Unfortunately it is what goes on. Clubs are encouraging it. Flat out telling you to do it. Would never let my son do it, but if you look to "vacate" every win of every team you play who has a reclass, holdback or future PG kid, you will spend years being frustrated and wasting time and energy on something that will not change.


I don't like the reclass/holdback players but realize there is nothing that can be done about them. In this instance, a rising 10th grader - who plans to do a PG year - is playing on a rising 9th grade team. He has not reclassified, he is playing down and that is in violation of the rules. Can I say that my son "might" do a PG year and let him play with a 2020 team in his next tournament? Heck no.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/06/15 07:35 PM

We can spread the word about these cheaters.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/07/15 09:29 PM

Wow. Subjecting these kids to such abject vitriol is bad. The parents decide these outcomes and the kid pays a price. Really sad.

One question I have is why are no more club tournaments US Lacrosse sanctioned? I have not registered any of my sons for a lacrosse tournament needing their US Lacrosse registration numbers in almost two years. What purpose is US Lacrosse serving now to even exist as a sanctioning body or regulator for the sport? Seems very clear those are not roles they are filling right now.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow. Subjecting these kids to such abject vitriol is bad. The parents decide these outcomes and the kid pays a price. Really sad.

One question I have is why are no more club tournaments US Lacrosse sanctioned? I have not registered any of my sons for a lacrosse tournament needing their US Lacrosse registration numbers in almost two years. What purpose is US Lacrosse serving now to even exist as a sanctioning body or regulator for the sport? Seems very clear those are not roles they are filling right now.


US Lacrosse was simply the original money grab, don't recall any of these issues before you had to pay 35 dollars a year for your kid to play lacrosse or to coach or 25 dollars to be a supportive parent
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 11:32 AM

There isn't anything offensive about US Lacrosse doing memberships that cost $25 or $35. The problem is my kids who did different sports have US Soccer, US Hockey and US Swimming cards past or present and with those organizations I get it. Those two administer the sport and the sport follows. US Lacrosse I just don't get it. A safety crisis comes up like the helmet certification and all US Lacrosse does is put an editorial on their website about it. Age verification is very simple to do if US Lacrosse wanted to execute on it, but they won't and again just put preachy letters on topic on the website. US Soccer and US Swimming have kicked coaches out of the sport for sanctions like cheating age groups. Cheating grades is the same thing. A 9th grade team can't have a 10th grader or and 11th grader on it just because there is an argument that the kid intends to do some post graduate years before entering college. If lacrosse were an Olympic sport the USOC would kick US Lacrosse to the curb and get new people in to run it. One problem as I see it is lacrosse isn't at that real sport level and therefore is run like a private club that can do whatever it wants and go tone deaf on whatever is wants to ignore.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There isn't anything offensive about US Lacrosse doing memberships that cost $25 or $35. The problem is my kids who did different sports have US Soccer, US Hockey and US Swimming cards past or present and with those organizations I get it. Those two administer the sport and the sport follows. US Lacrosse I just don't get it. A safety crisis comes up like the helmet certification and all US Lacrosse does is put an editorial on their website about it. Age verification is very simple to do if US Lacrosse wanted to execute on it, but they won't and again just put preachy letters on topic on the website. US Soccer and US Swimming have kicked coaches out of the sport for sanctions like cheating age groups. Cheating grades is the same thing. A 9th grade team can't have a 10th grader or and 11th grader on it just because there is an argument that the kid intends to do some post graduate years before entering college. If lacrosse were an Olympic sport the USOC would kick US Lacrosse to the curb and get new people in to run it. One problem as I see it is lacrosse isn't at that real sport level and therefore is run like a private club that can do whatever it wants and go tone deaf on whatever is wants to ignore.


Nicely said
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 02:16 PM

Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

How do you define illegal? If you repeat a grade when is the date you can join the kids from the grade you just repeated back to. First day of summer? First day of school? Where are these rules written down to follow for reclass/repeat kids? I agree there are kids who have reclassed or started school late, and as much as this sucks for my kid. Is it really illegal or just crappy?
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?


See poster above...Spot on
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

How do you define illegal? If you repeat a grade when is the date you can join the kids from the grade you just repeated back to. First day of summer? First day of school? Where are these rules written down to follow for reclass/repeat kids? I agree there are kids who have reclassed or started school late, and as much as this sucks for my kid. Is it really illegal or just crappy?


Just crappy. Naturally the ones who benefit from this see no problem with it, everyone else wonders how this is allowed to happen.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

How do you define illegal? If you repeat a grade when is the date you can join the kids from the grade you just repeated back to. First day of summer? First day of school? Where are these rules written down to follow for reclass/repeat kids? I agree there are kids who have reclassed or started school late, and as much as this sucks for my kid. Is it really illegal or just crappy?


it's crappy. tournaments hopefully will start adding language in that specifies that grade goes by whichever grade the kid was in the past school year. And they should add a limit for age -- May 1 like they did for the denver thing sounds reasonable. Our friends from NY would have legitimate grip since their school cutoff is december and holdbacks up there are fall bdays not summer. But it would be progress and would limit the age differences. They would probably just need to have u15 guideline for 8th grade
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 03:33 PM

A kid is not officially reclasssed til they begin the reclasssed year (school) hence before that date they are operating on word which holds no water. Also known as illegal
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

How do you define illegal? If you repeat a grade when is the date you can join the kids from the grade you just repeated back to. First day of summer? First day of school? Where are these rules written down to follow for reclass/repeat kids? I agree there are kids who have reclassed or started school late, and as much as this sucks for my kid. Is it really illegal or just crappy?


It's not hard to figure out, you have tryouts, you make a team you play on that team regardless of moving up, down or sideways until you have tryouts for the next season. That is the problem with what Crabs did at the Ocean. This is where Cabell copied King Crab twisted formula and then beat him at his own game, by having tryouts after spring for summer teams.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
A kid is not officially reclasssed til they begin the reclasssed year (school) hence before that date they are operating on word which holds no water. Also known as illegal

This sounds like words from a rule book, can you please send me the link to the site you read this information from........ Ah you cant because this is how you would define the rule. Please find this written down somewhere and I will be glad to take it to Mr. Madlax myself and show him.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

How do you define illegal? If you repeat a grade when is the date you can join the kids from the grade you just repeated back to. First day of summer? First day of school? Where are these rules written down to follow for reclass/repeat kids? I agree there are kids who have reclassed or started school late, and as much as this sucks for my kid. Is it really illegal or just crappy?



There is grey area during the summer in terms of a kid who has reclassed. That is not what we are talking about.

This is what Madlax is doing:

1. They have a kid who finished his 2017 year at a public school. He is still enrolled in that public school, but has been playing with their 2018 since last fall. Makes no sense.

2. They have a kid who played freshman year at a public HS. The kid is reclassifying and is now playing with their 2019 team. This is technically allowed, so I don't have a huge problem with this one.

3. They have a public school kid going into 8th grade (2020 grad year), yet he is playing RIGHT NOW with their 2021 summer team. Makes no sense.

4. They gave at least one other kid who is playing down because he states he will expect to do a PG year at some point. wth?

5. They have more holdbacks on their teams than the Crabs. Technically fine, but kind of lousy.

Whenever you see a Madlax parent, ask them about these situations. They will likely run away or pretend not to know what is going on, but at least it will dial up the pressure on these cheaters.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someone needs to tell the Crabs about this cheating. No wonder Madlax won it all. Their 2019 team isn't that great. Having an older kid explains how they were able to win it.


I'm sure the Crabs would be shocked and disappointed to hear about this.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

How do you define illegal? If you repeat a grade when is the date you can join the kids from the grade you just repeated back to. First day of summer? First day of school? Where are these rules written down to follow for reclass/repeat kids? I agree there are kids who have reclassed or started school late, and as much as this sucks for my kid. Is it really illegal or just crappy?



There is grey area during the summer in terms of a kid who has reclassed. That is not what we are talking about.

This is what Madlax is doing:

1. They have a kid who finished his 2017 year at a public school. He is still enrolled in that public school, but has been playing with their 2018 since last fall. Makes no sense.

2. They have a kid who played freshman year at a public HS. The kid is reclassifying and is now playing with their 2019 team. This is technically allowed, so I don't have a huge problem with this one.

3. They have a public school kid going into 8th grade (2020 grad year), yet he is playing RIGHT NOW with their 2021 summer team. Makes no sense.

4. They gave at least one other kid who is playing down because he states he will expect to do a PG year at some point. wth?

5. They have more holdbacks on their teams than the Crabs. Technically fine, but kind of lousy.

Whenever you see a Madlax parent, ask them about these situations. They will likely run away or pretend not to know what is going on, but at least it will dial up the pressure on these cheaters.

Anything going on with 2018 and above I could care less these are all high school kids and they play high school age kids all spring. So to me it does not mean anything if a 2016 plays with 2018. But for any group 8th grade/rising 9th grade group and blow any of these things are really crappy. I can tell you most Madlax parents only care about their on child's situation. So if the holdbacks are helping their kid look good they are cool with it. But if their kid is not playing or playing blue because of holdbacks they are mad.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 06:00 PM

Madlax parents are kind of sad. They know the owner is a nightmare but they put up with it because they think it's the best game in town. But the better ones realize in HS that their son is either better off recruiting wise with a better club or they are fed up overpaying for his BS.

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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax parents are kind of sad. They know the owner is a nightmare but they put up with it because they think it's the best game in town. But the better ones realize in HS that their son is either better off recruiting wise with a better club or they are fed up overpaying for his BS.



Ok, thanks for the passive aggressive VLC is better at selling high school kids to college comment. Forgot the hey ungrateful quitter story link that time, FYI. Cabell isn't the only club owner with some ethical or other "issues" and Kong Crab shares the same bed. I thought the point here was a debate on how to curb the Wild West impact of kids with beards playing in middle school club lacrosse events. Instead of blaming Cabell or the other club owners let's realize that the rules are there are no rules, and the club guys don't want rules as it limits their competitive or financial flexibility. US Lacrosse could be a beacon of hope, but instead they can't seem to ever get buy-in for their guidelines on anything from anyone. I refuse to believe lacrosse can't be at least managed well like youth soccer, and it is a lot more fruitful to focus on how that can be accomplished. Parents underwite EVERYTHING. We can refuse to let our kids play in or pay for lacrosse events that don't follow US Lacrosse age based standards. Or grade based with age boundary conditions. We really don't need 16 year olds running roughshod over 14 year olds, or worse denying them a playing time or roster spot on club teams. If all of that is being done just because there isn't a rule against it -- do the right damn thing and have a rule. I've heard all the arguments for grade based teams without any constraints and they make some good points but fail to acknowledge that is you are more than a calendar year boundary older than the public school grade guidelines, then you have to play up a school year. Simple. Doing that won't hurt a great lacrosse player one bit. If they are really good and are real D1 players, the recruiters evaluating them won't fail to see that.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/08/15 06:41 PM

Good points. I hope the people over at USL are reading some of these comments.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/09/15 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good points. I hope the people over at USL are reading some of these comments.


They might be. But one wonders what impact it will have on them.
They are in Baltimore . Either they have kids that have attended Private schools there or have friends with children in private schools there. Wonder how big their bias is to the holdback issue. Wonder if they have a sympathetic ear to the issue. They love lacrosse and privates are the best HS lacrosse in Balt.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/09/15 10:23 AM

Question: is a new sanctioning body organization possible for lacrosse? USL has no direct influence or affect on youth lacrosse now. Nearly all club and other youth events are not USL sponsored or insured events. A good start would be for petitioners to notice USL that our memberships are withdrawn. USL can ignore this and all other youth lacrosse and safety issues, but I doubt they will ignore and accept registrations going from 700K+ to zero. They can keep the $30 they already have from us per head...but that goes to zero hereforward. That constructively ends USL as a going concern. It would be well deserved. How about it everyone?
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/09/15 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
A kid is not officially reclasssed til they begin the reclasssed year (school) hence before that date they are operating on word which holds no water. Also known as illegal

Are you the arbiter of the definition of "officially"?

The fact is that currently there are no rules here. Parents, players and clubs will continue to do whatever they wish until hard rules are put in place. The sad commentary here is that college coaches continue to favor players that are amongst the oldest of their recruiting class peers.

There is no rule on when a reclass takes place. My son played against kids 20+ months older than him this week at an elite grade based recruiting camp. Not complaining just stating fact.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/09/15 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A kid is not officially reclasssed til they begin the reclasssed year (school) hence before that date they are operating on word which holds no water. Also known as illegal

Are you the arbiter of the definition of "officially"?

The fact is that currently there are no rules here. Parents, players and clubs will continue to do whatever they wish until hard rules are put in place. The sad commentary here is that college coaches continue to favor players that are amongst the oldest of their recruiting class peers.

There is no rule on when a reclass takes place. My son played against kids 20+ months older than him this week at an elite grade based recruiting camp. Not complaining just stating fact.

20 months I have heard of 18 months older but 20+ is a new low or high depends on how you look at it.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/09/15 06:59 PM

Madlax 2016 and 2017 Teams had a great showing this week at the UA Shootout. The 2017 Team made it to the Semis beating Landon in the Quarters. The 2016 Team won the whole thing beating PVI in the Quarters and Blackwolf in the Semis. Good Job Men!
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/09/15 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2016 and 2017 Teams had a great showing this week at the UA Shootout. The 2017 Team made it to the Semis beating Landon in the Quarters. The 2016 Team won the whole thing beating PVI in the Quarters and Blackwolf in the Semis. Good Job Men!

What did you just say Madlax beat the great Blackwolf. This can not be true?
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/09/15 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has illegal players on nearly every roster in their club. How are they getting away with it?

How do you define illegal? If you repeat a grade when is the date you can join the kids from the grade you just repeated back to. First day of summer? First day of school? Where are these rules written down to follow for reclass/repeat kids? I agree there are kids who have reclassed or started school late, and as much as this sucks for my kid. Is it really illegal or just crappy?



There is grey area during the summer in terms of a kid who has reclassed. That is not what we are talking about.

This is what Madlax is doing:

1. They have a kid who finished his 2017 year at a public school. He is still enrolled in that public school, but has been playing with their 2018 since last fall. Makes no sense.

2. They have a kid who played freshman year at a public HS. The kid is reclassifying and is now playing with their 2019 team. This is technically allowed, so I don't have a huge problem with this one.

3. They have a public school kid going into 8th grade (2020 grad year), yet he is playing RIGHT NOW with their 2021 summer team. Makes no sense.

4. They gave at least one other kid who is playing down because he states he will expect to do a PG year at some point. wth?

5. They have more holdbacks on their teams than the Crabs. Technically fine, but kind of lousy.

Whenever you see a Madlax parent, ask them about these situations. They will likely run away or pretend not to know what is going on, but at least it will dial up the pressure on these cheaters.


This is really funny. At Young Guns this past weekend, Edge rolled an entire team of 2018s, including reclassed kids, onto the field in the 2019 Championship game. Entire team. Lost to 8th graders.

Crabs entire starting 2019 lineup at Young Guns, with 1 exception, is reclassed, older, prefirst. They have a 16yo attackman playing on their 2019 team. Crabs moved 8 players from 2018 to 2019 team in Fall 2014. Lost to 8th graders too.

Madlax loses NPYLL 2019 Championship to reclassed Crabs this Spring. Few, if any, holdbacks play meaningful minutes. Team, coaches and parents walk off field muttering that, "we need more holdbacks" Madlax adds a couple to holdbacks to their 8th grade roster for the Summer.

Young Guns is a Crabs tournament using Crabs rules. RM allows Edge to move entire team from 2018 to 2019. How can he say no? Crabs play cake schedule and march mostly reclassed team into Semis. Madlax beats Crabs (in their own tournament for the 2nd year in a row) and Edge, and you criticize Madlax? Madlax fought fire with fire, and won, using mostly 8th graders.

If you had any brains, you would celebrate Madlax's victory over the Evil Empire and Evil Empire North. Anything less sounds like sour grapes from Crabs nation to me.

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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/09/15 11:14 PM

Was Edge 2020 a year older also? They lost to Looney's in the final.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/09/15 11:27 PM

I remember when winning the Shootout was a big deal. Most of those teams are mediocre. Madlax 2016 is a 2nd tier 2016 at best.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/10/15 02:01 AM

So are you saying Landon, PVI and Blackwolf are mediocre? I'm pretty sure, they would disagree.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/10/15 02:38 AM

All three were missing a ton of guys.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/10/15 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I remember when winning the Shootout was a big deal. Most of those teams are mediocre. Madlax 2016 is a 2nd tier 2016 at best.

As long as Madlax is good enough to be at the best events is all that matters. The Maryland or Duke coach does not care if a kids team went 4-0 or 0-4 on a Sat. in July. Madlax puts your son on the correct stage in front of the right people. Thats all you should ask for the shot. And Madlax gives that to them. Being the worst team in the NFL is still better then being the best team in Canada.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/10/15 11:35 AM

Of course they were...
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/10/15 01:54 PM

If you played again this weekend with a hard 9/1 cutoff, think how differently the college coaches perspective's might be. In 2019 for instance, instead of Edge v Madlax in the final (both with 2018 player playing in the game), the college coaches might have been watching Patriot v Alcatraz Outlaws and a player on one of those teams might have gotten a verbal from UVA this week. If one of the goals of traveling to a tournament like this is to get in front of the coaches, why make the effort only to get blow out by a team one year older and not advance to the part of the tournament where the coaches will see you? You can stay in New Jersey and California and do that. Those poor kids that made the effort to get to Baltimore and were never seen by college coaches must feel like suckers. The club coaches should tell the tournament organizers to clean up their act or skip the tournaments alltogether and tell their players to spend their money going to college camps and showcase events.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/10/15 02:17 PM

The Shootout talk doesn't matter (although it's true that it no longer has a strong pool of teams.)

What does matter is Madlax leads a char G e of hold backs and playing guys down against the rules. That is pretty lame.
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Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/10/15 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Shootout talk doesn't matter (although it's true that it no longer has a strong pool of teams.)

What does matter is Madlax leads a char G e of hold backs and playing guys down against the rules. That is pretty lame.

So first it was the Crabs are the head cheaters, now it's Madlax got it
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/10/15 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Shootout talk doesn't matter (although it's true that it no longer has a strong pool of teams.)

What does matter is Madlax leads a char G e of hold backs and playing guys down against the rules. That is pretty lame.

I am still going back to 9-11 graders it does not matter they are all high school age kids. And this is when the scouts look at them 2019 and up. They only care when will this kid show up at my school. They do not care if he is 18 or 21. Look at college football they love to do the story about the guy who went to war or mission and he is a 24 or 28 year old freshman. Start at the top. The college coaches who pick kids who reclass. I am just guessing but when a coach is scouting a kid he gets his birthday. So they know when a kid is 16 playing 14 year old kids. So if they do not care why would the club coach care. All rules start at the top. Not the middle.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/10/15 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you played again this weekend with a hard 9/1 cutoff, think how differently the college coaches perspective's might be. In 2019 for instance, instead of Edge v Madlax in the final (both with 2018 player playing in the game), the college coaches might have been watching Patriot v Alcatraz Outlaws and a player on one of those teams might have gotten a verbal from UVA this week. If one of the goals of traveling to a tournament like this is to get in front of the coaches, why make the effort only to get blow out by a team one year older and not advance to the part of the tournament where the coaches will see you? You can stay in New Jersey and California and do that. Those poor kids that made the effort to get to Baltimore and were never seen by college coaches must feel like suckers. The club coaches should tell the tournament organizers to clean up their act or skip the tournaments alltogether and tell their players to spend their money going to college camps and showcase events.


Let's hope not, I would feel terrible for the UVA coaches if that happened and they blew a recruiting opp on one of those two teams...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/10/15 06:46 PM

Dude, you are so out of th loop. The UVA coaches were watching a 2020 kid they offered when he was in 4th grade.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/10/15 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you played again this weekend with a hard 9/1 cutoff, think how differently the college coaches perspective's might be. In 2019 for instance, instead of Edge v Madlax in the final (both with 2018 player playing in the game), the college coaches might have been watching Patriot v Alcatraz Outlaws and a player on one of those teams might have gotten a verbal from UVA this week. If one of the goals of traveling to a tournament like this is to get in front of the coaches, why make the effort only to get blow out by a team one year older and not advance to the part of the tournament where the coaches will see you? You can stay in New Jersey and California and do that. Those poor kids that made the effort to get to Baltimore and were never seen by college coaches must feel like suckers. The club coaches should tell the tournament organizers to clean up their act or skip the tournaments alltogether and tell their players to spend their money going to college camps and showcase events.


I wrote the post above that you are responding to and I completely agree with you! We should play on age, 9/1 cutoff is good, and rules should be play up, never down. My son meets the criteria. However, this was a Crabs tournament, Crabs self-serving schedules and rules, so kids play down. Edge sent their entire team down. Madlax adjusted, and beat them playing their game, their way.

Effect on my son is that he's playing up! Hopefully the college coaches noticed his birthdate as well as his performance.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/10/15 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dude, you are so out of th loop. The UVA coaches were watching a 2020 kid they offered when he was in 4th grade.


Well that's even worse - guess that's why they weren't in the final brackets this last year LOL
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/10/15 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dude, you are so out of th loop. The UVA coaches were watching a 2020 kid they offered when he was in 4th grade.


Wait what? Expand please

What team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/11/15 01:51 AM

Sarcasm. Wow, you really are a lacrosse parent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/11/15 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you played again this weekend with a hard 9/1 cutoff, think how differently the college coaches perspective's might be. In 2019 for instance, instead of Edge v Madlax in the final (both with 2018 player playing in the game), the college coaches might have been watching Patriot v Alcatraz Outlaws and a player on one of those teams might have gotten a verbal from UVA this week. If one of the goals of traveling to a tournament like this is to get in front of the coaches, why make the effort only to get blow out by a team one year older and not advance to the part of the tournament where the coaches will see you? You can stay in New Jersey and California and do that. Those poor kids that made the effort to get to Baltimore and were never seen by college coaches must feel like suckers. The club coaches should tell the tournament organizers to clean up their act or skip the tournaments alltogether and tell their players to spend their money going to college camps and showcase events.


Let's hope not, I would feel terrible for the UVA coaches if that happened and they blew a recruiting opp on one of those two teams...


I was at UMBC last week watching Jake Reed. You would be shocked at the level of play by kids from Georgia, Missouri, Texas, ect. I could not believe how good the kids from non-hotbed areas were.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/11/15 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Shootout talk doesn't matter (although it's true that it no longer has a strong pool of teams.)

What does matter is Madlax leads a char G e of hold backs and playing guys down against the rules. That is pretty lame.

I am still going back to 9-11 graders it does not matter they are all ghigh school age kids. And this is when the scouts look at them 2019 and up. They only care when will this kid show up at my school. They do not care if he is 18 or 21. Look at college football they love to do the story about the guy who went to war or mission and he is a 24 or 28 year old freshman. Start at the top. The college coaches who pick kids who reclass. I am just guessing but when a coach is scouting a kid he gets his birthday. So they know when a kid is 16 playing 14 year old kids. So if they do not care why would the club coach care. All rules start at the top. Not the middle.


Since this is the case, it should be fixed and college coaches should not be allowed to make early verbal commitments to anyone under 16.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/12/15 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Was Edge 2020 a year older also? They lost to Looney's in the final.


They are a year older but Looneys also has their share of older kids. The true age based teams got knocked out early in a tourney.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/13/15 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you played again this weekend with a hard 9/1 cutoff, think how differently the college coaches perspective's might be. In 2019 for instance, instead of Edge v Madlax in the final (both with 2018 player playing in the game), the college coaches might have been watching Patriot v Alcatraz Outlaws and a player on one of those teams might have gotten a verbal from UVA this week. If one of the goals of traveling to a tournament like this is to get in front of the coaches, why make the effort only to get blow out by a team one year older and not advance to the part of the tournament where the coaches will see you? You can stay in New Jersey and California and do that. Those poor kids that made the effort to get to Baltimore and were never seen by college coaches must feel like suckers. The club coaches should tell the tournament organizers to clean up their act or skip the tournaments alltogether and tell their players to spend their money going to college camps and showcase events.


Let's hope not, I would feel terrible for the UVA coaches if that happened and they blew a recruiting opp on one of those two teams...


I was at UMBC last week watching Jake Reed. You would be shocked at the level of play by kids from Georgia, Missouri, Texas, ect. I could not believe how good the kids from non-hotbed areas were.


Was there too - this is very true re: non-hotbed areas
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/13/15 04:00 PM

Can we please get back to the topic of Madlax? I would like to know more about these kids in older grades playing down on younger grade teams. That sounds pretty indefensible.

The avoidance/silence of Madlax parents makes me think the allegations must be true.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/13/15 04:44 PM

There is no silence it is true. But like stated before there are no real rules to say they can not. Grade based is Grade based. We hate it as much as the none reclass crabs parents do. But if the parent of the kid fills out a tryout form and says there kid is graduating in 2019 or 2020 what do you want the owners to do. The parents can count! I am sure they are aware but most of the owners/coaches care about winning and having good players. The Private schools recruit kids to come play for them. They do not care how old a kid is as long as he is going to be a freshman when he starts at there school. These schools are all Church based and you can not keep them from cheating what do you want from a club team that is for profit. They just give what the people who are paying want. Teams that win and play in the best of the best with the most colleges there to watch.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/13/15 05:59 PM

Jake Reed is not real lacrosse , it's every man for
Himself, so the more athletic older kid looks better, their is no sliding, passing, and u can use your strong hand all the time, don 't be fooled.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/13/15 09:17 PM

I was at UMBC last week watching Jake Reed. You would be shocked at the level of play by kids from Georgia, Missouri, Texas, ect. I could not believe how good the kids from non-hotbed areas were. [/quote]

Glad you were finally able to make it out of 1983
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/14/15 02:38 AM

Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/14/15 03:33 AM

Not really true they have at least 5 re class kids. So you are correct they are 2019 but they are almost 16 years old. They are not cheating it just sucks for 14 year olds.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/14/15 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.


They have a kid who finished his freshman year at a public school this past spring. He is playing with their 2018 team, but is being held back and is attending a private school this fall, so he will be part of their 2019 team in the fall.

Their 2017 team has a ton of holdbacks. There are holdbacks on nearly every team. They have more holdbacks than the Crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/14/15 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.
Check your facts. One middie finished 9th grade in public school last year and will attend 10th grade next year. A second rising 10th grader showed up for the Young guns tournament and can be seen in photos back with his 2018 team this past weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/14/15 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.
Check your facts. One middie finished 9th grade in public school last year and will attend 10th grade next year. A second rising 10th grader showed up for the Young guns tournament and can be seen in photos back with his 2018 team this past weekend.

Madlax does not try to hide any of the holdbacks from anyone. They know they are not breaking any rules. Because there are no rules when it comes to grade based teams. Ok no enforceable rules with grade based teams. Can someone show me the official cut off date for what grade you are in. You start the year in a grade in school. On the last day you find out if you passed or failed that grade, or you want to redo that year. So one could say you have picked or been told to do the year over on the first day of summer. So you are know graduating in this new year. This point is a fact and the person is not lying. Are the gaming the system, does it suck and hurt other people yes. But it is still with in the guide lines of grad based teams. I hate it but until they point a age limit along with the grade this is all mute. No one is "cheating" they are just playing with in the crappy rules to make the best team. When the little private school fly's in a 7 foot center for the basketball team, when the college has 27 year old players,when the home team lets the grass grow or cuts it short,when the coach ices the kicker, when a team has players from 3 states away or 4 hours away on the team, when a club pays all the fees for a poor really really good player, All these things are with in the rules but some could be looked at as cheating. But cheating is when you break a clear rule. Grade based teams have no clear rules. First verbal of 2019 was a reclass kid on a team with reclass kids. When it stops working it will stop.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/14/15 02:27 PM

^^^

You just made a great argument for why there needs to be a simple rule for grade-based tournaments. Roster forms and registrations often ask for school and graduation year.

How about: "In a graduation year division, the graduation year of a player is based on the grade of the current or recently completed school year, regardless of future plans. Teams must play in the division of the highest graduation year of ANY of its players. For example, if a rising 8th grade team has one player who just completed 8th grade, the team must compete in the rising 9th grade division."
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/14/15 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
^^^

You just made a great argument for why there needs to be a simple rule for grade-based tournaments. Roster forms and registrations often ask for school and graduation year.

How about: "In a graduation year division, the graduation year of a player is based on the grade of the current or recently completed school year, regardless of future plans. Teams must play in the division of the highest graduation year of ANY of its players. For example, if a rising 8th grade team has one player who just completed 8th grade, the team must compete in the rising 9th grade division."


. . . if centralized by US Lacrosse, there should be an open period to reclassify - after all school systems finish their spring semester (like 1 July-1 September).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/14/15 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
^^^

You just made a great argument for why there needs to be a simple rule for grade-based tournaments. Roster forms and registrations often ask for school and graduation year.

How about: "In a graduation year division, the graduation year of a player is based on the grade of the current or recently completed school year, regardless of future plans. Teams must play in the division of the highest graduation year of ANY of its players. For example, if a rising 8th grade team has one player who just completed 8th grade, the team must compete in the rising 9th grade division."


. . . if centralized by US Lacrosse, there should be an open period to reclassify - after all school systems finish their spring semester (like 1 July-1 September).

I agree with these last to post 100%, but calling Madlax cheaters or Crabs cheaters is getting no one any where.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/14/15 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
^^^

You just made a great argument for why there needs to be a simple rule for grade-based tournaments. Roster forms and registrations often ask for school and graduation year.

How about: "In a graduation year division, the graduation year of a player is based on the grade of the current or recently completed school year, regardless of future plans. Teams must play in the division of the highest graduation year of ANY of its players. For example, if a rising 8th grade team has one player who just completed 8th grade, the team must compete in the rising 9th grade division."


. . . if centralized by US Lacrosse, there should be an open period to reclassify - after all school systems finish their spring semester (like 1 July-1 September).

I agree with these last to post 100%, but calling Madlax cheaters or Crabs cheaters is getting no one any where.


Except it is the truth, you are on a team until there are tryouts for the next season. This is just so plain and simple to everyone doing the right thing and the lines are so blurred for everyone living in denial.(in other words playing for a the blue and yellow or playing for the blue and orange)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/14/15 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
^^^

You just made a great argument for why there needs to be a simple rule for grade-based tournaments. Roster forms and registrations often ask for school and graduation year.

How about: "In a graduation year division, the graduation year of a player is based on the grade of the current or recently completed school year, regardless of future plans. Teams must play in the division of the highest graduation year of ANY of its players. For example, if a rising 8th grade team has one player who just completed 8th grade, the team must compete in the rising 9th grade division."


. . . if centralized by US Lacrosse, there should be an open period to reclassify - after all school systems finish their spring semester (like 1 July-1 September).


Sorry to be rude but its silly to limit reclassing to a specific period of the year. Kids should be able to reclass any time they want. Why? Because the only factor that should be relevant to where someone plays on a club/town/youth team is the date the kid came out of his momma's womb. It should not matter what grade the kid is in.

Try telling a hockey guy that a stud player should be able to stay in Bantam Major for another year because he chooses to not advance to the next grade in school. See what his reaction would be.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/14/15 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.


They have a kid who finished his freshman year at a public school this past spring. He is playing with their 2018 team, but is being held back and is attending a private school this fall, so he will be part of their 2019 team in the fall.

Their 2017 team has a ton of holdbacks. There are holdbacks on nearly every team. They have more holdbacks than the Crabs.


Total nonsense. Crabs have more reclass kids on 2019 team than Madlax does in the entire program. For example, this Spring the Crabs reclassed 8 2018 players onto their 2019 team roster. Some attended prefirst, making them 2 years older! They joined other prefirst and reclassed kids already on the 2019 roster, making the Crabs 2019 as old as Madlax 2018s.
Crabs are root of reclass problem. Only team close if Edge out of Canada.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/15/15 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.


They have a kid who finished his freshman year at a public school this past spring. He is playing with their 2018 team, but is being held back and is attending a private school this fall, so he will be part of their 2019 team in the fall.

Their 2017 team has a ton of holdbacks. There are holdbacks on nearly every team. They have more holdbacks than the Crabs.


Total nonsense. Crabs have more reclass kids on 2019 team than Madlax does in the entire program. For example, this Spring the Crabs reclassed 8 2018 players onto their 2019 team roster. Some attended prefirst, making them 2 years older! They joined other prefirst and reclassed kids already on the 2019 roster, making the Crabs 2019 as old as Madlax 2018s.
Crabs are root of reclass problem. Only team close if Edge out of Canada.


"Some attended prefirst, making them 2 years older" If this is true than they will be ineligible to play sports in the MIAA --

From MIAA rules-

II. Age Limitations
A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday before August 31 of a given academic year is not eligible to participate.

Have there been kids that sat out their senior year of HS at BL, Gilman etc. I haven't heard of that so I believe the double hold back miaa kid is a myth. Reclassifying a year just for sports is bad enough. Exaggerating just cheapens your argument
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/15/15 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.


They have a kid who finished his freshman year at a public school this past spring. He is playing with their 2018 team, but is being held back and is attending a private school this fall, so he will be part of their 2019 team in the fall.

Their 2017 team has a ton of holdbacks. There are holdbacks on nearly every team. They have more holdbacks than the Crabs.


Total nonsense. Crabs have more reclass kids on 2019 team than Madlax does in the entire program. For example, this Spring the Crabs reclassed 8 2018 players onto their 2019 team roster. Some attended prefirst, making them 2 years older! They joined other prefirst and reclassed kids already on the 2019 roster, making the Crabs 2019 as old as Madlax 2018s.
Crabs are root of reclass problem. Only team close if Edge out of Canada.


"Some attended prefirst, making them 2 years older" If this is true than they will be ineligible to play sports in the MIAA --

From MIAA rules-

II. Age Limitations
A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday before August 31 of a given academic year is not eligible to participate.

Have there been kids that sat out their senior year of HS at BL, Gilman etc. I haven't heard of that so I believe the double hold back miaa kid is a myth. Reclassifying a year just for sports is bad enough. Exaggerating just cheapens your argument

Have you ever been to a Gilman football game? I highly doubt this rule is enforced at all. Ever wonder why BL doesn't have any kids on the U19 team? The seniors are all too old.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/15/15 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.


They have a kid who finished his freshman year at a public school this past spring. He is playing with their 2018 team, but is being held back and is attending a private school this fall, so he will be part of their 2019 team in the fall.

Their 2017 team has a ton of holdbacks. There are holdbacks on nearly every team. They have more holdbacks than the Crabs.


Total nonsense. Crabs have more reclass kids on 2019 team than Madlax does in the entire program. For example, this Spring the Crabs reclassed 8 2018 players onto their 2019 team roster. Some attended prefirst, making them 2 years older! They joined other prefirst and reclassed kids already on the 2019 roster, making the Crabs 2019 as old as Madlax 2018s.
Crabs are root of reclass problem. Only team close if Edge out of Canada.


Keep telling that to yourself, Madlax dad. Is that why they have a 2017 kid on their 2018 team? Or a 2020 kid on their 2021 team?

Madlax has tons of holdbacks on all of their teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/18/15 04:06 PM

Madlax can barely field 1 or 2 teams at each year group and now they want to do 3....DC, MD, VA....how can this possibly work?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/18/15 04:30 PM

It works for Madlax because they will find kids to fill those teams. But nearly every B team is a bad experience no matter what the club is. Madlax has some good A teams and some medicore ones. None of their B teams are very good and now they will be even worse as they split into 2.

This is all about money for the owner as it always has been. Why people pay that ridiculous money Academy fee is beyond me.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/18/15 04:51 PM

I think they are betting on bringing in new talent from MD....most of the current teams are VA. It will help not having a "B" team like the Blue was.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/18/15 05:24 PM

It is not going to help. Nobody is going to leave their team to play on one of two B teams for Madlax.

Splitting their B team into two is only going to worsen the experience for the kids on Madlax's B teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/18/15 07:31 PM

[quote=Anonymous]It works for Madlax because they will find kids to fill those teams. But nearly every B team is a bad experience no matter what the club is.
Annapolis Hawks 2018 and 2019 Black creams are both solid teams and the boys have uad positive experiences.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/19/15 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]It works for Madlax because they will find kids to fill those teams. But nearly every B team is a bad experience no matter what the club is.
Annapolis Hawks 2018 and 2019 Black creams are both solid teams and the boys have uad positive experiences.

Sorry about the spelling mistakes, both are solid teams with good coaching and the boys have had positive experiences, so it can work.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/20/15 10:39 AM

Madlax 2019 Blue only lost 3 games all summer. And those 3 games where to the team that won the tournament. And they lost by 1 or 2 goals. Point being some of the blue teams do when and play well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/20/15 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2019 Blue only lost 3 games all summer. And those 3 games where to the team that won the tournament. And they lost by 1 or 2 goals. Point being some of the blue teams do when and play well.


Those are also awful tournaments against terrible competition. And when Madlax starts fielding two B teams per grade, the B experience for Madlax will get even worse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 12:50 AM

That blue team was not very good, couple of good players, no concepts or schemes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That blue team was not very good, couple of good players, no concepts or schemes.

For a A level team playing in A level during the spring and summer. What local A teams are better. You have a point if you say Blue is paying AA money. But for a team they where a very good A level team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That blue team was not very good, couple of good players, no concepts or schemes.

For a A level team playing in A level during the spring and summer. What local A teams are better. You have a point if you say Blue is paying AA money. But for a team they where a very good A level team.

Please just stop, Hawks and VLC much better teams than that team, Bethesda and Cavalier were equal to Madlax
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 02:03 PM

VLC is a AA team. Hawks are to far for any VA Madlax kid. and Cavs could be a good choice but they carried a 28 kid roster or something like that. You see you can not just say Madlax Blue teams suck with out giving a real option for a kid to go play for. Madlax cost more but plays more. They are still over priced for sure. But can someone from VLC, Cavs, Madlax, and Beth. Please state the total amount of games and practices and the 12 month complete break down for what each pays. Madlax will be the highest $ amount for sure. But compare the money to games and practices played. This should be a great time for the Madlax killers out there to prove what a rip off Madlax is. I would love to say to the Madlax owner the Cavs pay this amount of $ and they play this many games for the year. But no one will every put it on here.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 02:28 PM

VLC definitely has a problem with practice space and time as well as being modeled after the Crabs. The Crabs have multiple fields and can practice up to four times a week. With the loss of Flint Hill, VLC was averaging one practice a week for the few weeks that they did practice. The cost for VLC youth teams is too much compared to the number of tournaments and practices.

The cost was comparable to Madlax without the monthly fee and winter fees.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 02:45 PM

See this is the info we all need. . What do the other clubs do for winter. Thats why we all need to stop fighting for our club and just put the info out on the site for all to see and then let each person pick. Every club fills a need just most people do not know what need they want to fill. And I can promise you its good for everyone if we all put the real numbers out in a clean easy to understand way. This will make them all get better with what they give or what they charge.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 03:24 PM

My kid plays basketball in the winter. He plays football in the fall. He does not need to be playing lacrosse every weekend.

Thank God Madlax doesn't automatically charge my card $150 every month.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 04:51 PM

Ok I understand that for sure. And this is the place you can put down your club and your clubs cost in clear words for all of us to know how much your club is better and Madlax is bad. Please start typing thank you
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My kid plays basketball in the winter. He plays football in the fall. He does not need to be playing lacrosse every weekend.

Thank God Madlax doesn't automatically charge my card $150 every month.

its $75 a month for older kids $50 for youngest kids and 100 for the high school kids
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My kid plays basketball in the winter. He plays football in the fall. He does not need to be playing lacrosse every weekend.

Thank God Madlax doesn't automatically charge my card $150 every month.

its $75 a month for older kids $50 for youngest kids and 100 for the high school kids


What a bargain! I'm allowed to have my credit card charged automatically for $100 a month just for the privilege of being part of the MADLAX ACADEMY!

And when we leave for another club, my card will continue to be charged for another 6 months. SWEET!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My kid plays basketball in the winter. He plays football in the fall. He does not need to be playing lacrosse every weekend.

Thank God Madlax doesn't automatically charge my card $150 every month.

its $75 a month for older kids $50 for youngest kids and 100 for the high school kids


What a bargain! I'm allowed to have my credit card charged automatically for $100 a month just for the privilege of being part of the MADLAX ACADEMY!

And when we leave for another club, my card will continue to be charged for another 6 months. SWEET!

Ok for gods sake I get it. So please lay out what you pay and what you get for the great club your kid plays for. I get it the monthly is a joke. But its around $1000 for the year please show me in plan English how Club X is a better deal and what you get for this great better deal. Please Please Please take the time and look at a 12 month span of your sons club add up the clinics or camps and tournament fees and spring fees you have paid and show me clearly what a idiot I am for paying this horrible no good Madlax club my money.
I have a open mind but if Madlax is only higher $500 or less we should stop talking about the money. And talk about the other reason Madlax is good or bad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 07:02 PM

Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 07:41 PM

2018 went 1 - 2 - and 1 at fl$ in 3d. Is Madlax Capital 2018 a different team ? That doesn't sound like top 5 ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC


2019 is not the top team in the country. They lost to Crabs, FCA, HHH... this season. If you are talking about the National Team, please say so. That team has at least one 10th grader on it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC


2019 is not the top team in the country. They lost to Crabs, FCA, HHH... this season. If you are talking about the National Team, please say so. That team has at least one 10th grader on it.

Stop hating. They beat each of those teams too. Won over 20 games in a row to finish summer, 4 straight tournaments, including toughest tourneys in the country Young Guns and UMD. Finished 2nd in another, losing in overtime. Played toughest schedule and won. Beat the unbeatable Canadian Edge team that registered a 10th grade team in the 9th grade division. Players getting tons of attention from Top D1 recruiters.
If you want to be the best, play with the best. Go Madlax!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 went 1 - 2 - and 1 at fl$ in 3d. Is Madlax Capital 2018 a different team ? That doesn't sound like top 5 ?
the AAA team did not play fl$, but the AA team did and was very competitive. AAA had weekend off and is unquestionably best in DC area and a top 5 team in the country. 6-7 high D1 recruits and counting
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC


You're kidding, right?

1. The 2016 team is a 2nd tier team nationally. The UA shootout is a shell of its former self. It used to have a strong field when Blackwolf won it. Now most of the teams there are garbage. Landon would have won it if their full team had been healthy. Blackwolf 2016 is a much better team. VLC 2016's team is better, too. Best in this area for 2016 is Greene Turtle and Crabs.

2. There is no "playing up" at the UA Shootout. There's just one division, genius. Madlax 2017 is just ok. Both Blackwolf and VLC had much better teams at that grade. Crabs is also the best 2017 team is this area.

3. Madlax 2018 is very good, but Blackwolf 2018 is better. VLC 2018 is definitely below Madlax's, but it's only a few goals difference. Best 2018 team in the area is Crabs.

4. 2019 is not the best team in the country. Crabs 2019 is much better and 2019 got lucky Crabs were upset last week.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/21/15 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC


You're kidding, right?

1. The 2016 team is a 2nd tier team nationally. The UA shootout is a shell of its former self. It used to have a strong field when Blackwolf won it. Now most of the teams there are garbage. Landon would have won it if their full team had been healthy. Blackwolf 2016 is a much better team. VLC 2016's team is better, too. Best in this area for 2016 is Greene Turtle and Crabs.

2. There is no "playing up" at the UA Shootout. There's just one division, genius. Madlax 2017 is just ok. Both Blackwolf and VLC had much better teams at that grade. Crabs is also the best 2017 team is this area.

3. Madlax 2018 is very good, but Blackwolf 2018 is better. VLC 2018 is definitely below Madlax's, but it's only a few goals difference. Best 2018 team in the area is Crabs.

4. 2019 is not the best team in the country. Crabs 2019 is much better and 2019 got lucky Crabs were upset last week.


Crabs 2019 did not win a tournament all summer. I do not think they made to a final all summer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/15 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 went 1 - 2 - and 1 at fl$ in 3d. Is Madlax Capital 2018 a different team ? That doesn't sound like top 5 ?
the AAA team did not play fl$, but the AA team did and was very competitive. AAA had weekend off and is unquestionably best in DC area and a top 5 team in the country. 6-7 high D1 recruits and counting


Did you just say AAA? Are you making things up? Never seen AAA rating for a team ever!! Is that to make people on the "C" team feel better about being on "A" team?
Crazy!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/15 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 went 1 - 2 - and 1 at fl$ in 3d. Is Madlax Capital 2018 a different team ? That doesn't sound like top 5 ?
the AAA team did not play fl$, but the AA team did and was very competitive. AAA had weekend off and is unquestionably best in DC area and a top 5 team in the country. 6-7 high D1 recruits and counting


Did you just say AAA? Are you making things up? Never seen AAA rating for a team ever!! Is that to make people on the "C" team feel better about being on "A" team?
Crazy!


I think my man has confused ice hockey with lacrosse. Ice hockey has AAA, not lax!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/15 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 went 1 - 2 - and 1 at fl$ in 3d. Is Madlax Capital 2018 a different team ? That doesn't sound like top 5 ?
the AAA team did not play fl$, but the AA team did and was very competitive. AAA had weekend off and is unquestionably best in DC area and a top 5 team in the country. 6-7 high D1 recruits and counting


Did you just say AAA? Are you making things up? Never seen AAA rating for a team ever!! Is that to make people on the "C" team feel better about being on "A" team?
Crazy!


Hey quit letting people in on the marketing strategy of lacrosse clubs. Call the A team AAA, B team AA and C team A. Vola, just make the A team and my C ability player is headed to D1, well maybe D11 according to club director! ....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/15 10:44 AM

You are correct it is a marketing thing. They have two teams AAA and AA. Its just a way to say/show they have really good second teams. But you are correct they are trying to create a new classifier.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/15 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC


2019 is not the top team in the country. They lost to Crabs, FCA, HHH... this season. If you are talking about the National Team, please say so. That team has at least one 10th grader on it.

Stop hating. They beat each of those teams too. Won over 20 games in a row to finish summer, 4 straight tournaments, including toughest tourneys in the country Young Guns and UMD. Finished 2nd in another, losing in overtime. Played toughest schedule and won. Beat the unbeatable Canadian Edge team that registered a 10th grade team in the 9th grade division. Players getting tons of attention from Top D1 recruiters.
If you want to be the best, play with the best. Go Madlax!


Please, the DC 2019 team had a losing record against FCA 1-2 and Crabs 1-2 this year. How can they be the best in the country? If you are boasting about the success the National team had at the end of the season the please be clear. Yes that team had a nice run, but comparing that team to the DC team is not an apples to apples comparison. How do the DC players feel about giving up up playing time to those out of state ringers and to the 10 grader(s)?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/15 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC


2019 is not the top team in the country. They lost to Crabs, FCA, HHH... this season. If you are talking about the National Team, please say so. That team has at least one 10th grader on it.

Stop hating. They beat each of those teams too. Won over 20 games in a row to finish summer, 4 straight tournaments, including toughest tourneys in the country Young Guns and UMD. Finished 2nd in another, losing in overtime. Played toughest schedule and won. Beat the unbeatable Canadian Edge team that registered a 10th grade team in the 9th grade division. Players getting tons of attention from Top D1 recruiters.
If you want to be the best, play with the best. Go Madlax!


Please, the DC 2019 team had a losing record against FCA 1-2 and Crabs 1-2 this year. How can they be the best in the country? If you are boasting about the success the National team had at the end of the season the please be clear. Yes that team had a nice run, but comparing that team to the DC team is not an apples to apples comparison. How do the DC players feel about giving up up playing time to those out of state ringers and to the 10 grader(s)?

Madlax has had 7 players on that team get mentions. That is what this is about getting seen, being seen so if you have what it takes to play at the next level you get that chance. I read all the list on all the sites. And Madlax has players all over these list. Blackwolf and VLC has kids on the lists also but the Madlax kids from the 2018 and 2019 classes are there at a 2 to 1 ratio or higher.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/15 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 went 1 - 2 - and 1 at fl$ in 3d. Is Madlax Capital 2018 a different team ? That doesn't sound like top 5 ?
the AAA team did not play fl$, but the AA team did and was very competitive. AAA had weekend off and is unquestionably best in DC area and a top 5 team in the country. 6-7 high D1 recruits and counting


Did you just say AAA? Are you making things up? Never seen AAA rating for a team ever!! Is that to make people on the "C" team feel better about being on "A" team?
Crazy!


It is a stupid marketing trick that the owner came up with last summer that nobody buys. Because he found enough suckers to field 3 teams at that grade, he basically he called his best team "AAA" in order to call his B team "AA" and his C team "A".

The entire "AA" v "A" thing is stupid, although the "AA" term was created to separate a club's best team ("AA") from a rec's best team ("A").

Now that he has plans to split his marginal B teams into two separate B teams, I'm sure he'll call all his "AA" teams "AAA", and these B teams will now be called "AA".

Everyone sees through it. What do you expect from a guy who charges his kid $200 a month in order to advocate for them to college coaches?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/15 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 went 1 - 2 - and 1 at fl$ in 3d. Is Madlax Capital 2018 a different team ? That doesn't sound like top 5 ?
the AAA team did not play fl$, but the AA team did and was very competitive. AAA had weekend off and is unquestionably best in DC area and a top 5 team in the country. 6-7 high D1 recruits and counting


Did you just say AAA? Are you making things up? Never seen AAA rating for a team ever!! Is that to make people on the "C" team feel better about being on "A" team?
Crazy!


It is a stupid marketing trick that the owner came up with last summer that nobody buys. Because he found enough suckers to field 3 teams at that grade, he basically he called his best team "AAA" in order to call his B team "AA" and his C team "A".

The entire "AA" v "A" thing is stupid, although the "AA" term was created to separate a club's best team ("AA") from a rec's best team ("A").

Now that he has plans to split his marginal B teams into two separate B teams, I'm sure he'll call all his "AA" teams "AAA", and these B teams will now be called "AA".

Everyone sees through it. What do you expect from a guy who charges his kid $200 a month in order to advocate for them to college coaches?

Really now you are going with $200 a month its $100 a month and it pays the coaches and gets some extra workouts in the winter. A rip off yes but no need to lie to make it worse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/15 03:15 PM

Not a fan of Cabell Maddux. I think he is an overblown clown, but if he has three teams in an age group what else should he call them. He could call them orange, blue and white and people would still come on here and [lacrosse] about it. A little silly to focus on the semantics when there are so many other things to laugh or pick at.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/22/15 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a fan of Cabell Maddux. I think he is an overblown clown, but if he has three teams in an age group what else should he call them. He could call them orange, blue and white and people would still come on here and [lacrosse] about it. A little silly to focus on the semantics when there are so many other things to laugh or pick at.

Thank you for a voice of reason. But I still can not get over why all these guys from the other local clubs refuse to put what they pay and what they get for a 12 month or break it down by season. Only giving opinions not facts. I am sure Madlax is killing people but you other guys will not put the facts out there to prove it. You want people to just take a strangers word for it without and facts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/23/15 12:08 AM

Madlax 2017 Capital just won Inside Lacrosse Recruiting Invitational (session 3) against a very tough Leading Edge Elite.

And Madlax 2018 Nationals took home the championship against Mesa Fresh. The summer series was full of top notch teams including Eclipse, Breakers, etc... and D1 commits. Not looking for love here, but check your facts, show some class and give respect where it's due.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/23/15 01:02 AM

Eclipse 2017 and Leading Edge are both excellent teams. Both, however, were missing a ton of guys.

Madlax 2017 is nowhere near the elite level. As far Madlax 2018, that is a good result, but it was a weak field. They cannot hang with top teams like the Crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/23/15 01:44 AM

I have the rosters from the tournament in front of me. I was there. Eclipse had 7 D1 commits including Virginia, North Carolina and Maryland. Leading Edge had 12 D1 commits including John Hopkins, Princeton, Georgetown, Villanova, etc... Madlax 2017 has 6 D1 commits to date. Keep it classy and give credit where it's due. Madlax players earned it and deserved it. It's as simple as that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/23/15 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have the rosters from the tournament in front of me. I was there. Eclipse had 7 D1 commits including Virginia, North Carolina and Maryland. Leading Edge had 12 D1 commits including John Hopkins, Princeton, Georgetown, Villanova, etc... Madlax 2017 has 6 D1 commits to date. Keep it classy and give credit where it's due. Madlax players earned it and deserved it. It's as simple as that.

I agree that Madlax does deserve to get some credit. They are a top 20 program and the numbers do not lie. You can talk about the issues Madlax does have all day. But they do produce results as much as any club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/23/15 02:06 PM

This is not the issue with Madlax. The issue is all the holdbacks they have throughout their program.

Cheating, pure and simple.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/23/15 02:14 PM

All of the elite teams in the Baltimore and DC area that consist primarily of private school kids are filled with hold backs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/23/15 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the elite teams in the Baltimore and DC area that consist primarily of private school kids are filled with hold backs.


But only does a club like Madlax have a 2020 kid who is playing for their 2021 team. Or a 2017 kid who is playing for their 2018 team. Or a kid who just completed his freshman year (2018) who is now playing on their 2019 team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/23/15 02:26 PM

How did this sport get to a point where the ranking of a team is how many kids committed to colleges versus performance on the field. 3d has a high school team with 8 D1 commits. Three VMI, a Mercer a Marist and can't remember the others. My son's rec team could beat them. PVI has over 10 commits. How many of those kids can really play at a high level. One? Two? Remember, the Ryans are gone now so can't keep riding those two players for a reputation.

Lacrosse people look seriously stupid to impute quality by college commit lists. It has almost gotten to a point where a kid should legally change his name to John Doe (UNC) or Joe Smith (JHU). Jesus, as someone who did college sports and actually accomplished something in a sport at an ACC school, this is all a little silly and kind of offensive to me. You're a Cavalier when you've worn the V in a match. You're nobody for just showing up and attending.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/23/15 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did this sport get to a point where the ranking of a team is how many kids committed to colleges versus performance on the field. 3d has a high school team with 8 D1 commits. Three VMI, a Mercer a Marist and can't remember the others. My son's rec team could beat them. PVI has over 10 commits. How many of those kids can really play at a high level. One? Two? Remember, the Ryans are gone now so can't keep riding those two players for a reputation.

Lacrosse people look seriously stupid to impute quality by college commit lists. It has almost gotten to a point where a kid should legally change his name to John Doe (UNC) or Joe Smith (JHU). Jesus, as someone who did college sports and actually accomplished something in a sport at an ACC school, this is all a little silly and kind of offensive to me. You're a Cavalier when you've worn the V in a match. You're nobody for just showing up and attending.

Well when you are talking about a club team not a high school team it is all about the verbals and the college looks. High school team is about winning a ring and what your team ranking is. Club is about getting better and being seen. The high school team you should play out of position to help the team win. In club play where and what is best for you. If your club team runs 100s of plays and you score through scheme not skill it does not help the kids on that team to be scouted. Sorry to the old school guys but its true. If a high school basketball team runs the Princeton Offense perfectly its going to be really hard for those kids to scouted for there skill. So club is the same way the system needs to be set up to showcase the kids raw skill. Team play is important but the scouts want and need to see if you can take your guy one on one.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/23/15 05:07 PM

That is world class pathetic. Find me one prep school program in the MIAA or at a top lacrosse prep school in the DMV that doesn't live for lacrosse commit lists. Go find me one news clipping of a BL game or a Bullis game or a PVI game to name three where the kids who scored goals or are noted in the article with college commits in parenthesis. Laxpower has threads where commit lists by prep school are updated almost weekly. I will take the other side of what you wrote, I think it is enough for most kids to just say they were committed to a college. We can agree to disagree, but I don't see a kid being a Cav or a Tarheel until he wears a jersey and does something.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/23/15 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is world class pathetic. Find me one prep school program in the MIAA or at a top lacrosse prep school in the DMV that doesn't live for lacrosse commit lists. Go find me one news clipping of a BL game or a Bullis game or a PVI game to name three where the kids who scored goals or are noted in the article with college commits in parenthesis. Laxpower has threads where commit lists by prep school are updated almost weekly. I will take the other side of what you wrote, I think it is enough for most kids to just say they were committed to a college. We can agree to disagree, but I don't see a kid being a Cav or a Tarheel until he wears a jersey and does something.

I agree with you statement that you are not a Cav tell you touch the field. But that does not change if a kid pick them when he is 14 or 18 or 19. Putting a college next to a kids name is the easiest way for a avg. person to know how good the kid is. If they put all his stats next to his name would you have a issue with that. Also its 2015 so when they put the college next to a kids name the article comes up in google searches by someone searching the school. Which is good for the paper it gets more hits for its website which makes them more money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/23/15 06:14 PM

Putting their college next to their name tells us how good they are? Correction: it tells you how good they were in 8th grade. I wouldn't care any more of stats were there either. I just think it is hysterical nobody can write a paragraph about a game without mentioning college commits next to names of every kid who scored a goal. I think you meant to write how good they were in 8th grade. BTW, I doubt a real news publication really cares about more "UNC" google hits leading to its website.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/23/15 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
VLC is a AA team. Hawks are to far for any VA Madlax kid. and Cavs could be a good choice but they carried a 28 kid roster or something like that. You see you can not just say Madlax Blue teams suck with out giving a real option for a kid to go play for. Madlax cost more but plays more. They are still over priced for sure. But can someone from VLC, Cavs, Madlax, and Beth. Please state the total amount of games and practices and the 12 month complete break down for what each pays. Madlax will be the highest $ amount for sure. But compare the money to games and practices played. This should be a great time for the Madlax killers out there to prove what a rip off Madlax is. I would love to say to the Madlax owner the Cavs pay this amount of $ and they play this many games for the year. But no one will every put it on here.


On the subject of credible A-level alternatives to the Madlax Blue, does anyone know anything about Top Caliber lacrosse in Alexandria? I believe their program may have just begun this spring?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/23/15 11:17 PM

Other than Madlax 2019 Orange, name a 2019 DC club that won a tournament. Go ahead...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/23/15 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC


2019 is not the top team in the country. They lost to Crabs, FCA, HHH... this season. If you are talking about the National Team, please say so. That team has at least one 10th grader on it.

Stop hating. They beat each of those teams too. Won over 20 games in a row to finish summer, 4 straight tournaments, including toughest tourneys in the country Young Guns and UMD. Finished 2nd in another, losing in overtime. Played toughest schedule and won. Beat the unbeatable Canadian Edge team that registered a 10th grade team in the 9th grade division. Players getting tons of attention from Top D1 recruiters.
If you want to be the best, play with the best. Go Madlax!


Please, the DC 2019 team had a losing record against FCA 1-2 and Crabs 1-2 this year. How can they be the best in the country? If you are boasting about the success the National team had at the end of the season the please be clear. Yes that team had a nice run, but comparing that team to the DC team is not an apples to apples comparison. How do the DC players feel about giving up up playing time to those out of state ringers and to the 10 grader(s)?

Madlax 2019 National Team played one tournament, Young Guns, and won it. Capital kids are 9 of 10 starters and 14 of top 15 on that team. Like it or not, Madlax 2019 Orange is by far the best in DC area and the best team in the country.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/24/15 01:28 AM

2019 didn't make final four at Platinum Cup when the D1 coaches were there. ( 15 of them) LI Express lost to 91 Laxachusettes and Crabs lost in semi's .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/24/15 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Other than Madlax 2019 Orange, name a 2019 DC club that won a tournament. Go ahead...


When your son grows up, you'll realize that while winning games and even a tournament is great, that is not the point of youth lacrosse. Nobody cares who wins a tournament. The point is getting better to play at higher levels.

Enjoy your trophy because nobody cares. You'll grow up someday, too.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/24/15 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Other than Madlax 2019 Orange, name a 2019 DC club that won a tournament. Go ahead...


When your son grows up, you'll realize that while winning games and even a tournament is great, that is not the point of youth lacrosse. Nobody cares who wins a tournament. The point is getting better to play at higher levels.

Enjoy your trophy because nobody cares. You'll grow up someday, too.


People care or else they would not put so much time and effort into being the best. You obviously care because you are posting here. I think attendance is dropping in professional sports because they don't care about strangers and realizing that dumping their money into their kids who they do care about is much more rewarding.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/24/15 12:26 PM

I tell the kids and parents it's not about winning and losing. I schedule tough teams and tournaments so the kids grow and play teams that are better and realize what they need to do to step it up a level. Our playing style is based on long-term skills versus winning, i.e., taking a shot with your off-hand and not scoring or making that one more pass and your teammate drops it, versus powering through for the score.

All that said, those late afternoon post-championship photos are a big deal. Kids love it. Great for team morale. Parents love it. Makes kids more committed and loyal to team, etc. Parents can tell if a coach is organized and gives it is all and treats their kids well, but at the end of the day if you are losing they think you are a bad coach and if you are winning they think you are a good coach. That's life really.

More cynically, if a program is in it for the money, winning is what is going to make you money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/24/15 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I tell the kids and parents it's not about winning and losing. I schedule tough teams and tournaments so the kids grow and play teams that are better and realize what they need to do to step it up a level. Our playing style is based on long-term skills versus winning, i.e., taking a shot with your off-hand and not scoring or making that one more pass and your teammate drops it, versus powering through for the score.

All that said, those late afternoon post-championship photos are a big deal. Kids love it. Great for team morale. Parents love it. Makes kids more committed and loyal to team, etc. Parents can tell if a coach is organized and gives it is all and treats their kids well, but at the end of the day if you are losing they think you are a bad coach and if you are winning they think you are a good coach. That's life really.

More cynically, if a program is in it for the money, winning is what is going to make you money.

This is a great post. You have to care enough about winning to want to go and put up with the heat,travel and other outside crap. The best tournaments are when your team has a winning record but you didnt get the wins by 10 goals or more. I will take a 2-3 weekend with 5 one or 2 goal games over a 5-0 weekend with 5 blow outs. And I think thats what you get when you pay the extra money for some of the better clubs. The new lower level clubs go and get smoked in 5 games or play in a tournament to low for them and win 5 blow outs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/25/15 05:55 PM

Who'd have thunk it two years ago that after all that drama Madlax would be the one which wiped every other local program out. I'm not a Madlax parent, am not a past Madlax parent and never will be a Madlax parent and have no reason to heap false praises. Madlax has the best youth teams by far, has the best middle school teams by far and has the best 2018 and 2019 teams locally by far. Next Level is done, VLC had a couple of good HS teams to live off until this year, comprised largely of kids poached from Madlax youth teams, but have not replicated the 2015 VLC team, and the 2017 team has had one outstanding player after the next leave over the past 18 months. VLC's youth teams are back to square one being coached by parents, and their HS teams are being handed off to local public HS coaches. Sound a little bit like Club Blue, Next Level, Cavalier, etc etc? Cabell isn't an admirable character, but he has won big. Game, set, match Madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/25/15 07:10 PM

Yeah, I don't understand why there are no other programs in NoVa fielding "A" level youth lacrosse teams. Area should be able to support a half a dozen. I would think the area's huge affluent population would be all about supporting competitive travel lacrosse. Why is this? Everyone just does swimming or soccer? Are kids not starting by age 6 or 7?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/25/15 07:54 PM

My just turned 11 year old quit lacrosse after the spring. Enjoys baseball and soccer more. Had nothing to do with being better at another sport or being worse at lacrosse or wanting to focus on one sport. He just didn't enjoy it. My early teen boy plays for a good club team, but a few of his friends in recent spring summer have also quit lacrosse. My sample size is obviously very small, but do see some kids just deciding to do other sports. Lacrosse has been a very big fad in the past few years. Maybe that momentum is fading off some.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/25/15 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who'd have thunk it two years ago that after all that drama Madlax would be the one which wiped every other local program out. I'm not a Madlax parent, am not a past Madlax parent and never will be a Madlax parent and have no reason to heap false praises. Madlax has the best youth teams by far, has the best middle school teams by far and has the best 2018 and 2019 teams locally by far. Next Level is done, VLC had a couple of good HS teams to live off until this year, comprised largely of kids poached from Madlax youth teams, but have not replicated the 2015 VLC team, and the 2017 team has had one outstanding player after the next leave over the past 18 months. VLC's youth teams are back to square one being coached by parents, and their HS teams are being handed off to local public HS coaches. Sound a little bit like Club Blue, Next Level, Cavalier, etc etc? Cabell isn't an admirable character, but he has won big. Game, set, match Madlax.


Redneck Madlax dad rehashing the same lies. Stay away from the moonshine, dude.f
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/25/15 11:19 PM

Again, the obsession to mention another club on a thread about Madlax. Strange.

Can we get back to talking about how Madlax uses kids from older grades on younger teams? I'm not talking about a kid who is reclassifying and is now on the team for his new grade. I'm talking about how Madlax has a 2020 kid on their 2021 team, for example.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/26/15 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Again, the obsession to mention another club on a thread about Madlax. Strange.

Can we get back to talking about how Madlax uses kids from older grades on younger teams? I'm not talking about a kid who is reclassifying and is now on the team for his new grade. I'm talking about how Madlax has a 2020 kid on their 2021 team, for example.


My thinking as an outsider is that if any of the other clubs had done anything of merit, they would have their own thread. I would wonder why someone who does suck from the Cabell teet would come on a thread about a club they are not affiliated with and constantly bash them, then cry wolf when the same thing is done in turn.
This is all so stupid
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/26/15 06:34 PM

You're right. No VLC thread with 48 pages. That club isn't interesting enough to fill 48 words in a comment. VLC = Next Level 2.0. Time to move on everyone.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/26/15 11:31 PM

Blackwolf dad here. I guess you guys feel the need to bash other clubs instead of addressing the accusations.

Glad to be a part of a club that actually cares about the kids rather than profits. None of our kids are playing down on teams a grade lower.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/27/15 12:09 AM

Blackwolf has re class kids at every level.
2018 acted like a bunch of thugs last fall at Terrapin classic.


Crabs thumped em..
Balckwolf-"Fake Tough"
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/27/15 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blackwolf dad here. I guess you guys feel the need to bash other clubs instead of addressing the accusations.

Glad to be a part of a club that actually cares about the kids rather than profits. None of our kids are playing down on teams a grade lower.

If you are referring to VLC, you may not play down a grade, but you did play you whole team down a division in the spring.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/27/15 02:55 AM

,
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who'd have thunk it two years ago that after all that drama Madlax would be the one which wiped every other local program out. I'm not a Madlax parent, am not a past Madlax parent and never will be a Madlax parent and have no reason to heap false praises. Madlax has the best youth teams by far, has the best middle school teams by far and has the best 2018 and 2019 teams locally by far. Next Level is done, VLC had a couple of good HS teams to live off until this year, comprised largely of kids poached from Madlax youth teams, but have not replicated the 2015 VLC team, and the 2017 team has had one outstanding player after the next leave over the past 18 months. VLC's youth teams are back to square one being coached by parents, and their HS teams are being handed off to local public HS coaches. Sound a little bit like Club Blue, Next Level, Cavalier, etc etc? Cabell isn't an admirable character, but he has won big. Game, set, match Madlax.


Redneck Madlax dad rehashing the same lies. Stay away from the moonshine, dude.f

Obviously someone didn't make Madlax Orange...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/29/15 07:04 PM

Connor Shellenberger, Madlax 2019, to Johns Hopkins! Congratulations Connor, well earned.

First of many Madlax 2019's to commit
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/29/15 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Connor Shellenberger, Madlax 2019, to Johns Hopkins! Congratulations Connor, well earned.

First of many Madlax 2019's to commit


Hi, Mr. Shellenberger!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/29/15 07:26 PM

Well if this is his father, congrats, your boy worked hard and earned a spot on a top tier program. if and when my son commits I will surely put it out there so everyone will know that dedication and hard work pay off

Congrats to your son!!!!!!!

DONT BE HATERS, SOON YOU WILL BE HATING EVERY KID THAT GETS AN OFFER.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/29/15 07:33 PM

Good for the kid and his family. And sweet Jesus, just go do a VLC versus the volcano forum thread and take these ad homenim attacks elsewhere. It's a proud day for the kid and family so leave be alone. It isn't like the kid is an ingrate or quit his club recently. See what I did there? Really funny. Now just take this garbage somewhere else. Please.
Posted By: TommyM

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/29/15 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Connor Shellenberger, Madlax 2019, to Johns Hopkins! Congratulations Connor, well earned.

First of many Madlax 2019's to commit


Hi, Mr. Shellenberger!


Your green is showing.. fool!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/29/15 09:00 PM

Gotta love those 8th grade parents pushing their kids to decide already. Must have come down to the team mascots....or maybe the team sock colors???? Congrats Dad!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/29/15 09:35 PM

Well, the kid has four years to change his mind if he wants to. This is a verbal commitment to Twitter a college intention. No grades, no scores. Nothing much to pick on here. It is a silly process, but take it with pounds of salt. Feel bad for th kids who commit to these schools and then don't get admitted. That happened to several 2015 high school class kids.

Congrats to the kid, and sure hope he takes doing well in school seriously because Hopkins is not a gut major lax bro school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/29/15 09:36 PM

This kid might be going to Hopkins, but if he had played 2019 for Plc vhe would have won a spring championship playing down a league.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/29/15 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This kid might be going to Hopkins, but if he had played 2019 for Plc vhe would have won a spring championship playing down a league.


Do you ever get tired of saying the same schtick on this thread?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/29/15 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good for the kid and his family. And sweet Jesus, just go do a VLC versus the volcano forum thread and take these ad homenim attacks elsewhere. It's a proud day for the kid and family so leave be alone. It isn't like the kid is an ingrate or quit his club recently. See what I did there? Really funny. Now just take this garbage somewhere else. Please.


While I agree about leaving this kid alone, it is you who are bringing up another club to a thread (and recent topic) that doesn't involve it. You are also guilty of bringing up garbage.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/29/15 11:30 PM

Take it to a new VLC thread please. Thanks for playing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/29/15 11:57 PM

that was the photo guy for madlax not his dad
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/29/15 11:59 PM

not his dad that was the photographer
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/30/15 01:13 AM

Who cares if it was his dad or Barbara Walters or the entertainer formerly named Prince. Get the message and take the retread personal attacks on Madlax parents or photographers and your trusty Deadspin article to another board please.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/30/15 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares if it was his dad or Barbara Walters or the entertainer formerly named Prince. Get the message and take the retread personal attacks on Madlax parents or photographers and your trusty Deadspin article to another board please.


Nobody was attacking Madlax parents. Just calling out the kid's dad who was obviously boasting about his son.

But I guess it could have been the photographer instead. That guy is the biggest Madlax cheerleader on the planet.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/30/15 12:51 PM

If a parent is enthusiastic about congratulating a kid on a Madlax team, so be it. I am not a Madlax parent but do notice how beautiful and professional those photos are...I still have one of my son from a game my son's team played against Madlax on my phone and computer.

Sounds like the guy is enthusiastic and involved in providing some nice photos and videos for their teams. I wish he'd come over and photo our teams more! This vitriol belongs somewhere else. Please take it somewhere else.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/30/15 01:15 PM

Yes that was the photographer cause it was the same caption on his Facebook. Very nice guy just very passionate about madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/30/15 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Connor Shellenberger, Madlax 2019, to Johns Hopkins! Congratulations Connor, well earned.

First of many Madlax 2019's to commit


Hi, Mr. Shellenberger!


Is he a true 2019? What is his birth year? Not trying to stir pot, just curious if he is playing on age? Was he on the [lacrosse]'s team last December? I know the required birth certificates
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/30/15 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Connor Shellenberger, Madlax 2019, to Johns Hopkins! Congratulations Connor, well earned.

First of many Madlax 2019's to commit


Hi, Mr. Shellenberger!


Is he a true 2019? What is his birth year? Not trying to stir pot, just curious if he is playing on age? Was he on the [lacrosse]'s team last December? I know the required birth certificates

He is on age. But has a old birthday.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/30/15 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes that was the photographer cause it was the same caption on his Facebook. Very nice guy just very passionate about madlax.


Passionate is one way to describe it. I guess I would be passionate about Madlax if it was responsible for all the clients for my business.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/30/15 04:36 PM

The difference is you don't have a successful photography business and he does. Thanks for playing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/30/15 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The difference is you don't have a successful photography business and he does. Thanks for playing.


Well I guess you and he are both willing do ditch your morals to play for a guy who threatens kids who leave. Pure class.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/30/15 07:28 PM

There is a difference between being cross over a kid threatening to leave and reacting to a kid who did leave, you learned of it word of mouth and he / parents didn't return phone or email messages to confirm it for several weeks. I take no pity on Cabell Maddox for that whole escapade, but no even minded person could read that thread and not also think it is bad form to not have the common decency to notice "coach, thank you for the past lacrosse experience, I've decided to make a change of clubs for personal reasons." I'm not a Madlax parent, but I am far from believing the Madlax kids my son is school mate friends with are bad kids and I certainly don't buy that the parents are morally behind. If treating people in the worst way was standard procedure over there, Madlax would have disappeared. From my view it has grown in terms of participation and coach/team quality over the past two years. I don't know why that is, but it is and it is time for the naysayers to acknowledge that. Not urging you to jump on Cabell's bandwagon, but I am pretty sure I don't want to know how sausage is made at some other elite lacrosse clubs either.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/30/15 08:12 PM

The kid and the family did inform Madlax they were going to make a switch. This is America - you are allowed to change clubs if you wish.

Are you seriously condoning the threats the owner made in his emails? Talking to other families, I've heard others who received the same sort of treatment.

You really think it's ok to threaten to badmouth the kid to his future HS coach and possible college coach? Really?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/30/15 09:10 PM

They finally confirmed that the kid made a switch weeks after he did and was registered and uniformed at another club. Not condoning the email traffic, but that is the fact line and that was bad form. Not buying the I was too busy to return one of the repeated phone calls and emails bed time story. It was sleazy all around and the parents were equally at fault. If my son wanted to leave a lacrosse club, the immediate thing is to notice that club as a common courtesy, especially if the kid had been on non-paying scholarship and was given first dibs at showcase invites. My kid decides to leave an organization the next moment he would need to call and write a notice and give a thank you. I'd need to do that too. If a club lacrosse lunatic tried to engage a debate or sent one negative email, there would be no start of an email thread. Delete, permanent delete, done. This was a case of lacrosse ego divas gone wrong on both sides, and neither side looked rosy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/30/15 10:15 PM

LOL. A family decided to make a change. Regardless of when/how they notified the owner, you are seriously condoing the words he said?

Threatening your customers because they thought there was a better choice? That equates to a customer not notifying you soon enough?

I know a family who left and gave notice weeks before they left. Got the same type of email/phone threats. And their credit continued to be charged for months afterwards.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 01:25 AM

My son left madlax this summer. He played with madlax for four years and was happy for 3 of those years, loved the kids he played with, played on the AAA and national teams, and began to think seriously about playing lacrosse at a D1 college. His last year at madlax was difficult however, as a new coach focused on helping other kids get recruited and significantly reduced our son's role on the team. Tournaments became a stressful experience for our son, wondering when he was finally going to get on the field, and no one was having fun watching him play anymore. After a year of less playing time, more time standing on the sidelines, no help with recruiting, and watching Cabell and the new coach heavily "market" a few specific kids -- one of whom was the photographer's son -- to every recruiting website and college recruiter possible, our son was depressed, unsure of himself, and less sure about his chances of getting noticed by a D1 college coach. We all realized that if he was going to be noticed by coaches, he needed to be on the field, playing lacrosse. We tried to leave madlax on good terms. We sent a prompt and gracious email before the summer tryouts thanking Cabell and the coaches for the many good years our son had with the team and wishing them well. We were surprised after a year of feeling invisible, to suddenly hear how important he was to the team and how ignorant we were as parents for pulling him out of madlax at this "crucial" recruiting time. Even after my husband called Cabell to try to reason with him (as he demanded) we received emails with silly threats and childish name-calling from Cabell. Cabell informed my son by text that it would be "nearly impossible" for him to get recruited to play D1 lacrosse without Cabell's help. He even told us that some college coaches had contacted him about our son, and intimated that if we wanted to know who the coaches were, we should allow our son to return to madlax. That seemed unethical to me. And extremely childish.

My son now says that leaving madlax was one of the best decisions he ever made. This summer, he was able to do some showcases with his high school team and some individual events. He also did a couple of tournaments with a new travel program in our area. This program has a very supportive coaching staff that saw my son's potential and let him play and get his confidence back. After a summer of playing great lacrosse and having fun for a change, he has recently verbally committed to a D1 program. I know it has been difficult for him to leave the friends he made on the madlax team, but in the end, because we were treated so poorly by Cabell and by his coach, it was easier to do than we thought it would be. Cabell has not changed. He likes to take credit for how talented a player is. He takes credit for things he has nothing to do with. In a way I feel a little sorry for him. He doesn't realize that some college coaches (all of the coaches we talked with at least) don't respect him and only "deal with him" because they have to if they want to recruit one of his players. The college coaches we talked to understood perfectly why our son left madlax and some even told us they thought it showed great character. I know there are other parents who are unhappy with the madlax program for various reasons but are sticking with it. There are many reasons for that. Some might think that it will hurt their sons chances of being recruited. We did not find that to be the case. I understand that our decision isn't necessarily the right decision for others, but I wanted to share our story because it might help others who are feeling like they need a change but are unsure of the wisdom of making a change.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 02:41 AM

Good for you ! Nice to see someone stand up for their sons best interest against one of the big clubs ! Good luck to your son!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The difference is you don't have a successful photography business and he does. Thanks for playing.


Well I guess you and he are both willing do ditch your morals to play for a guy who threatens kids who leave. Pure class.


That is so yesterday
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This kid might be going to Hopkins, but if he had played 2019 for Plc vhe would have won a spring championship playing down a league.


Do you ever get tired of saying the same schtick on this thread?


No, apparently not. What they did was ridiculous, in my opinion is equivalent to holding kids back and should not be casually swept under the rug.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 12:56 PM

Says a lot about NCAA coaches when they state to parents that they don't like or respect Maddox, yet on the next breath are on the phone with him to buy more middle schoolers from the herd. It is almost like hearing Dom Starsia say he's adverse to evaluating 9th graders and then committing one the next...oh, never mind.

Sounds like club coaches and college coaches have found a sanctuary at the bottom of the muddy pond.

Negative recruiting between clubs is standard operating procedure. Our son left Crabs and it came back to us directly that the owner and some Crabs parents went well out of their way to trash and disparage our son. At least some college coaches had the gonads to tell us that. It didn't damage our son. When coaches see that a kid has top grades in honors courses and hear all about how good of a kid the high school coach who has him for 100 days and not just a few hit-and-run summer club events they can figure out sour grapes. If Cabell Maddox wants to trash a kid all day long let him. Sure, there's a guy who has a great idea about th character of a kid who went to a few recruiting tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 01:16 PM

Well, maybe I should redact the posts I made as a non-Madlax parent. He is loathe some given the post from the ex Madlax mom. Problem in this sport now is where do you do for a competitive club that is not being run by a scumbag?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, maybe I should redact the posts I made as a non-Madlax parent. He is loathe some given the post from the ex Madlax mom. Problem in this sport now is where do you do for a competitive club that is not being run by a scumbag?


Nobody is in the same class as the Madlax owner when it comes to being a scumbag.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 01:54 PM

Are there really no other quality NoVa youth clubs? Hard to believe. Greater RDU area in NC, as an example, has multiple quality clubs and much lower population.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are there really no other quality NoVa youth clubs? Hard to believe. Greater RDU area in NC, as an example, has multiple quality clubs and much lower population.


None of the clubs from NC are any good. Is this some kind of joke?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 02:49 PM

Not a joke. My point is they have some decent teams and I've never seen another NoVa club field a non-hotbed A team, much less a hotbed A or AA team.

But to get specific comparing to MadLax (which was not my point), Summer Exposure 2022A championship was between two NC teams. Wasn't the 2022AA division, admittedly, but winner beat the Roughriders 2022 team 10-3 that Madlax beat 10-6 in the following weekend. NC team won U11A Summer Exposure championship. NC 2021 team is AA team by all accounts, losing to Igloo's Black Ice by 1 goal and outscoring teams 24-3 at Capital Classic (admittedly, again, not against hotbed A teams). Madlax 2021 beat a much lesser NC 2021 team by 7-2 there, which is dominant but not a blowout. NC 2020 team played AA at Young Guns and was competitive going 1-2.

Madlax did great at [lacrosse]'s winning U13 and U15 divisions. Anyone notice who won the next division older against a national FCA team?

I'm not a NC homer. My point is that I just know they field surprisingly competitive youth teams (considering that's NASCAR territory) whereas I haven't found any other NoVa clubs to be competitive.

The mom's post above is pretty damning. Doesn't mean the other Madlax coaches aren't great and the team experiences aren't great. I just can't believe there's not more competition in the area.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 03:43 PM

You haven't seen them because your son is young and you play in marginal tournaments. Summer Exposure, for example, used to be a pretty good tournament, but it has really gone downhill.

Blackwolf and VLC both have superior 2016 and 2017 teams to Madlax. For 2018, Blackwolf 2018 is just as good as Madlax and VLC isn't that far behind. Madlax 2019 is definitely the best in this area for 2019s. For 2020, it's a weak grade in the DMV and Madlax is better than VLC's team, but neither are that great. Blackwolf is starting up Middle School teams, so their teams will be strong in short time.

If you think Madlax is the only team fielding AA teams in the DMV, you are lack perspective.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are there really no other quality NoVa youth clubs? Hard to believe. Greater RDU area in NC, as an example, has multiple quality clubs and much lower population.


None of the clubs from NC are any good. Is this some kind of joke?


If NC teams are a joke than Madlax is a joke.

2019 Team Carolina team lost by 1 twice to Madlax at the Capital Classic

From looking at comparable scores at Capital Classic and Young Guns, Carolina Cannons u13 and Team 24/7 2020 are equivalent with Madlax 2020

Team Carolina (Cyclones) 2021 would beat Madlax 2021 easily





Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 04:57 PM

Nobody cares about North Carolina lacrosse, dude.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 05:25 PM

I wasn't commenting on DMV, nor putting down older teams like Black Wolf or VLC.

I meant NoVa youth teams. Is 3d Mid-Atlantic the old Fuze and out of NoVa? Perhaps that is another option and they are or will field "A" teams. My point wasn't to pump up NC lax or put any club down - just wondering where are all the competing "clubs" south of the Potomac that I'd expect from the population. I'm sure there are some but I just haven't seen in tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody cares about North Carolina lacrosse, dude.


dude. not long ago nobody cared about N VA or DC lacrosse either...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody cares about North Carolina lacrosse, dude.


We big time. Team Carolina even has overage kids and a director who sends mean emails.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 07/31/15 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody cares about North Carolina lacrosse, dude.


I grew up in NC and live in the northeast now. I still go back to NC to see family and for business. The kids there are eaten up with lacrosse. They can't get enough of it. Don't forget that there are already very strong affiliations with Duke and UNC due to basketball and the kids are naturally turning into lacrosse fans as well now that they are playing the sport. One of the main impediments is that NC is still largely a public school state and the public school AD's are struggling to come up with the funds to cover lacrosse. Eventually, lacrosse will take over baseball and the AD's will use the baseball money to fund lacrosse. In some cases, the parents are covering the cost of fielding lacrosse teams. The kids want it that badly. North Carolina is only one state that I can give as an example. The current hotbed areas will only be that way for another 10 years and then lacrosse will largely be a national sport. It will be fun to watch.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/01/15 12:01 AM

Raw nerves in Maryland and DMV. Firm beliefs that our kids have higher lacrosse IQs and all that drivel. It makes all the sense in the world to me that there is parity in the youth game now in places like Texas and California. Soon to be North Carolina and others if not already. I do get concerned that the negative aspects of lacrosse including early recruiting and abject lunacy of club owners and crazy parents don't alienate the masses back to other sports. If the competitive side of lacrosse revs up with all of the negatives with it, I'd be concerned that the growth of lacrosse in places like the Carolinas will stagnate quick.
Posted By: Anonymous89000

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/02/15 01:14 PM

I know this guy (madlax photographer). Honestly he is beyond a proud parent -- he's a social media addict and obnoxious the way he markets his kid. Kid is good midfielder but not as good as you would think based on the social media coverage - he got the most out of his relationship with Maddux and Ty Xander's and the whole recruiting machine. Any kid who plays with madlax has a hype squad/press agent. I wonder if they pay extra for that
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/02/15 02:14 PM

Really now the Madlax kids are only good because of the hype machine
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/02/15 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really now the Madlax kids are only good because of the hype machine


You need reading comprehension lessons. That's not what he said.
Posted By: Anonymous89000

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/02/15 07:54 PM

Only pointing out the guy is obnoxious the way he pushes his kid and other madlax kids all over social media and recruiting sites. Plenty of good kids in the program. Plenty of good kids outside the program that don't get the attention. But who cares - in the end I don't think social media and Ty Xander's gets your kid a D1 spot.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/02/15 10:05 PM

[quote=Anonymous89000]Only pointing out the guy is obnoxious the way he pushes his kid and other madlax kids all over social media and recruiting sites. Plenty of good kids in the program. Plenty of good kids outside the program that don't get the attention. But who cares - in the end I don't think social media and Ty Xander's gets your kid a D1 spot. [/quote
People are lazy and college scouts are people so if someone is doing the work for them. I am sure they let Ty and the others start the list and they take it from there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/02/15 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous89000]Only pointing out the guy is obnoxious the way he pushes his kid and other madlax kids all over social media and recruiting sites. Plenty of good kids in the program. Plenty of good kids outside the program that don't get the attention. But who cares - in the end I don't think social media and Ty Xander's gets your kid a D1 spot. [/quote
People are lazy and college scouts are people so if someone is doing the work for them. I am sure they let Ty and the others start the list and they take it from there.

Are you saying that the defending national champion, coached by perhaps the greatest ever in Tierney, buys internet hype? Or is lazy in their evaluations?
The jealousy is palpable and laughable.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/03/15 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous89000
I know this guy (madlax photographer). Honestly he is beyond a proud parent -- he's a social media addict and obnoxious the way he markets his kid. Kid is good midfielder but not as good as you would think based on the social media coverage - he got the most out of his relationship with Maddux and Ty Xander's and the whole recruiting machine. Any kid who plays with madlax has a hype squad/press agent. I wonder if they pay extra for that


Yes, over the top marketing and hyping of his son and a few select others. Yes, obnoxious. But, did he really get the most out of his relationships with Maddux and Ty? Denver...on much less than a full ride? That ain't the moon.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/03/15 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
They finally confirmed that the kid made a switch weeks after he did and was registered and uniformed at another club. Not condoning the email traffic, but that is the fact line and that was bad form. Not buying the I was too busy to return one of the repeated phone calls and emails bed time story. It was sleazy all around and the parents were equally at fault. If my son wanted to leave a lacrosse club, the immediate thing is to notice that club as a common courtesy, especially if the kid had been on non-paying scholarship and was given first dibs at showcase invites. My kid decides to leave an organization the next moment he would need to call and write a notice and give a thank you. I'd need to do that too. If a club lacrosse lunatic tried to engage a debate or sent one negative email, there would be no start of an email thread. Delete, permanent delete, done. This was a case of lacrosse ego divas gone wrong on both sides, and neither side looked rosy.



When we left Madlax I called and emailed the director. I explained why we were leaving and listened to all of the reasons he had for us to stay. My son wanted to stay, but, as the person paying the bills, I vetoed his wishes. There were several times in my communications with Cabell that I could have taken the bait and watched it turn into a deadspin type exchange. I resisted, which for me is not easy. In the end, I did what proved to be best for my son. Cabell was unhappy but not a monster.

He reached out to us a few months later to initiate a new round of discussions about coming back to the program. When we rebuffed the interest he went ballistic. Name calling and the like. Life goes on and it is what it is. My son is in a better place and I will not ever permit my younger boy to play for Madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/03/15 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They finally confirmed that the kid made a switch weeks after he did and was registered and uniformed at another club. Not condoning the email traffic, but that is the fact line and that was bad form. Not buying the I was too busy to return one of the repeated phone calls and emails bed time story. It was sleazy all around and the parents were equally at fault. If my son wanted to leave a lacrosse club, the immediate thing is to notice that club as a common courtesy, especially if the kid had been on non-paying scholarship and was given first dibs at showcase invites. My kid decides to leave an organization the next moment he would need to call and write a notice and give a thank you. I'd need to do that too. If a club lacrosse lunatic tried to engage a debate or sent one negative email, there would be no start of an email thread. Delete, permanent delete, done. This was a case of lacrosse ego divas gone wrong on both sides, and neither side looked rosy.



When we left Madlax I called and emailed the director. I explained why we were leaving and listened to all of the reasons he had for us to stay. My son wanted to stay, but, as the person paying the bills, I vetoed his wishes. There were several times in my communications with Cabell that I could have taken the bait and watched it turn into a deadspin type exchange. I resisted, which for me is not easy. In the end, I did what proved to be best for my son. Cabell was unhappy but not a monster.

He reached out to us a few months later to initiate a new round of discussions about coming back to the program. When we rebuffed the interest he went ballistic. Name calling and the like. Life goes on and it is what it is. My son is in a better place and I will not ever permit my younger boy to play for Madlax.

As a Madlax parent I am sorry this is how he acted again. For all the good the program has done for my son, I hate to hear these stories. His passion is what helps push Madlax to where it is but it also pushes him to act like this. I hope he reads this and just acts like he should.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/03/15 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They finally confirmed that the kid made a switch weeks after he did and was registered and uniformed at another club. Not condoning the email traffic, but that is the fact line and that was bad form. Not buying the I was too busy to return one of the repeated phone calls and emails bed time story. It was sleazy all around and the parents were equally at fault. If my son wanted to leave a lacrosse club, the immediate thing is to notice that club as a common courtesy, especially if the kid had been on non-paying scholarship and was given first dibs at showcase invites. My kid decides to leave an organization the next moment he would need to call and write a notice and give a thank you. I'd need to do that too. If a club lacrosse lunatic tried to engage a debate or sent one negative email, there would be no start of an email thread. Delete, permanent delete, done. This was a case of lacrosse ego divas gone wrong on both sides, and neither side looked rosy.



When we left Madlax I called and emailed the director. I explained why we were leaving and listened to all of the reasons he had for us to stay. My son wanted to stay, but, as the person paying the bills, I vetoed his wishes. There were several times in my communications with Cabell that I could have taken the bait and watched it turn into a deadspin type exchange. I resisted, which for me is not easy. In the end, I did what proved to be best for my son. Cabell was unhappy but not a monster.

He reached out to us a few months later to initiate a new round of discussions about coming back to the program. When we rebuffed the interest he went ballistic. Name calling and the like. Life goes on and it is what it is. My son is in a better place and I will not ever permit my younger boy to play for Madlax.

As a Madlax parent I am sorry this is how he acted again. For all the good the program has done for my son, I hate to hear these stories. His passion is what helps push Madlax to where it is but it also pushes him to act like this. I hope he reads this and just acts like he should.


You sound like a nice person, but your rationale is off a bit. Plenty of people are passionate. Being passionate doesn't automatically give one the right to act vindictively and like a child. He has THREATENDED MANY people in the exact same manner when they chose to leave. This is not some isolated incident. He tells people he will ruin this chances of playing HS or college lacrosse. He tells kids his former teammates will be gunning for him on the field.

If you ask around, you'll learn that many of his top players have left for Blackwolf, Crabs and VLC once they hit HS. Why? Because families tire of his antics, tire of the exorbitant amount he charges and/or find that other clubs are better in terms of the experience and/or recruiting results.

There are a lot of good people/kids in the Madlax program. But you are unfortunately supporting someone who is not a nice person.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/03/15 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They finally confirmed that the kid made a switch weeks after he did and was registered and uniformed at another club. Not condoning the email traffic, but that is the fact line and that was bad form. Not buying the I was too busy to return one of the repeated phone calls and emails bed time story. It was sleazy all around and the parents were equally at fault. If my son wanted to leave a lacrosse club, the immediate thing is to notice that club as a common courtesy, especially if the kid had been on non-paying scholarship and was given first dibs at showcase invites. My kid decides to leave an organization the next moment he would need to call and write a notice and give a thank you. I'd need to do that too. If a club lacrosse lunatic tried to engage a debate or sent one negative email, there would be no start of an email thread. Delete, permanent delete, done. This was a case of lacrosse ego divas gone wrong on both sides, and neither side looked rosy.



When we left Madlax I called and emailed the director. I explained why we were leaving and listened to all of the reasons he had for us to stay. My son wanted to stay, but, as the person paying the bills, I vetoed his wishes. There were several times in my communications with Cabell that I could have taken the bait and watched it turn into a deadspin type exchange. I resisted, which for me is not easy. In the end, I did what proved to be best for my son. Cabell was unhappy but not a monster.

He reached out to us a few months later to initiate a new round of discussions about coming back to the program. When we rebuffed the interest he went ballistic. Name calling and the like. Life goes on and it is what it is. My son is in a better place and I will not ever permit my younger boy to play for Madlax.

As a Madlax parent I am sorry this is how he acted again. For all the good the program has done for my son, I hate to hear these stories. His passion is what helps push Madlax to where it is but it also pushes him to act like this. I hope he reads this and just acts like he should.


You sound like a nice person, but your rationale is off a bit. Plenty of people are passionate. Being passionate doesn't automatically give one the right to act vindictively and like a child. He has THREATENDED MANY people in the exact same manner when they chose to leave. This is not some isolated incident. He tells people he will ruin this chances of playing HS or college lacrosse. He tells kids his former teammates will be gunning for him on the field.

If you ask around, you'll learn that many of his top players have left for Blackwolf, Crabs and VLC once they hit HS. Why? Because families tire of his antics, tire of the exorbitant amount he charges and/or find that other clubs are better in terms of the experience and/or recruiting results.

There are a lot of good people/kids in the Madlax program. But you are unfortunately supporting someone who is not a nice person.

Well I agree he is not a nice person, I do not need a nice person in charge I just wish he would be smarter. When you state other options I laugh a little, Blackwolf is invite only so it only a option is they call you. Crabs are in Baltimore, And when you speak of VLC they have a long way to go with the younger teams coming up. If he could just get over this issue he has when a kid leaves. Madlax would be the clear cut best option for the most kids. Maybe he could take some of my monthly fee money and go sit on a couch and work this issue he has out. Is there a girl out there that left him and gave him this complex of people leaving him.
Posted By: Anonymous89000

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/03/15 11:06 PM

I don't understand the comment about Blackwolf.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/05/15 08:06 PM

Just found a Madlax tryout email in my Junk Mail folder. What a scam this is. He is now making kids try out who are locks to be on his A team, so that's more money in his pocket. It used to be that if you made his A team, you were in. More money for him now.

Then the poor kids destined for the B team will be split into 2 B teams. More money for him, worse experience for those kids.

Almost as bad as how he charges kids to call college coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/05/15 10:28 PM

He isn't making anyone do anything they don't want to sign up for. The self loathing of typing in that credit or debit care number would be a delicious sight to see. I opened the email and then felt kind of dirty for doing so before deleting it. It was so wrong but...I....just...could...not...not read it. And this thread too. It's lik reality TV. Seriously, parents signing up for this knowing he is a sociopath is just too good to tune out from. Can we live mic this guy at tournaments? I would pay for that. A lot.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/06/15 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
He isn't making anyone do anything they don't want to sign up for. The self loathing of typing in that credit or debit care number would be a delicious sight to see. I opened the email and then felt kind of dirty for doing so before deleting it. It was so wrong but...I....just...could...not...not read it. And this thread too. It's lik reality TV. Seriously, parents signing up for this knowing he is a sociopath is just too good to tune out from. Can we live mic this guy at tournaments? I would pay for that. A lot.


He is quite the show on the sidelines, sometimes I lost track of what I was doing, because I was watching Sideshow Bob on the other end just lose his mind because he didn't get a loose ball push call.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/06/15 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just found a Madlax tryout email in my Junk Mail folder. What a scam this is. He is now making kids try out who are locks to be on his A team, so that's more money in his pocket. It used to be that if you made his A team, you were in. More money for him now.

Then the poor kids destined for the B team will be split into 2 B teams. More money for him, worse experience for those kids.

Almost as bad as how he charges kids to call college coaches.

You crack me up when you call the Blue teams a B team you are correct they are a second team but they are a mid level to high level A team and the top teams are a top level AA team. You can call us crazy and you can call him crazy that is true but to imply that the Madlax teams are not good is just wrong. Just a FYI everyone knows the prices we pay and the owner is nuts. And us and others are still coming. People like to win and be on good teams. You get what you pay for.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/06/15 11:32 AM

You parents are getting too involved in this. Step back, find a good fit club team and let your kid have fun. Remember, in the end: 'after college', it's about the friends theymade ' not you' and getting a well paying job, so the kids can hopefully have their kids involved in lax.

I am a dad of 3 boys and 1 girl.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/06/15 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You parents are getting too involved in this. Step back, find a good fit club team and let your kid have fun. Remember, in the end: 'after college', it's about the friends theymade ' not you' and getting a well paying job, so the kids can hopefully have their kids involved in lax.

I am a dad of 3 boys and 1 girl.


True. My parents drove me there and back, cheered me on and took me and my mates for ice cream at Dairy Queen on the way home and that was about it. I thought about college when I was reminded to start thinking of a list spring of junior year from the school college guidance counselor along with everyone else in my class. Recruiting for my sport happened fall of senior year and there wasn't a point in trying to make that happen any sooner. I feel bad for these kids because of their parents. If you are heavily invested in your kid getting a college placement as a 8th to 10th grader, that is just sad and takes most of the joy out of it. I was on three ACC championship teams and made All-America, so it didn't go badly. I have no idea where those ACC plaques are but I do have the phone and other contact data for over 60 ex-college teammates who to this day are my best and most reliable friends. BTW those plaques don't help at job interviews or on grad school applications. Calm down and let your kids be kids, and if you aren't seeing your kids being kids having fun, intervene and do something about that. I don't care if my sons play college lacrosse or should you. If their lasting memory of a childhood game was winning a recruiting war and then sitting on a college bench for a few years or playing for a few years without having a lot of fun along the way, they will come to resent that and resent the people they blame for it which will start with you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/06/15 01:05 PM

^^^^ this guy is smart. My kid was looking D2 and D3 then just told me he wants to go to a big school and get a good college education and maybe play club. I am cool with it because college is where you sew your oats. I have a buddy that played at Calvert Hall, and all the best clubs growing up. Played one year of D1 and hated it. Quite the team and play club rugby and chased girls. He said his dad burned him out on Lax. Don't be that dad or mom. Make sure your kid is into it. Sometimes driving an hour and a half one way to practice may be taking some of your kids childhood away.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/06/15 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
^^^^ this guy is smart. My kid was looking D2 and D3 then just told me he wants to go to a big school and get a good college education and maybe play club. I am cool with it because college is where you sew your oats. I have a buddy that played at Calvert Hall, and all the best clubs growing up. Played one year of D1 and hated it. Quite the team and play club rugby and chased girls. He said his dad burned him out on Lax. Don't be that dad or mom. Make sure your kid is into it. Sometimes driving an hour and a half one way to practice may be taking some of your kids childhood away.

The thing is I agree the juice is not worth the squeeze when you look at the work vs award with youth travel lacrosse. But if the dream of college lacrosse keeps him focused on his grades and off the streets I am cool with it. If he gets good grades and gets into a great school because of Lacrosse and quits the first day of practice I say it was all worth it. he is now at a great school with a great work ethic. Its about learning to work for a top goal and doing what you need to do to get there. You can change the top goal at any time once you learn the blue print on how to get it done.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/06/15 02:44 PM

So long as it is his dream and you are being supportive that is great. The blue print doesn't include writing checks to a sociopath and rationalizing it as a decent means to and end. We can all be better than that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/06/15 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just found a Madlax tryout email in my Junk Mail folder. What a scam this is. He is now making kids try out who are locks to be on his A team, so that's more money in his pocket. It used to be that if you made his A team, you were in. More money for him now.

Then the poor kids destined for the B team will be split into 2 B teams. More money for him, worse experience for those kids.

Almost as bad as how he charges kids to call college coaches.

You crack me up when you call the Blue teams a B team you are correct they are a second team but they are a mid level to high level A team and the top teams are a top level AA team. You can call us crazy and you can call him crazy that is true but to imply that the Madlax teams are not good is just wrong. Just a FYI everyone knows the prices we pay and the owner is nuts. And us and others are still coming. People like to win and be on good teams. You get what you pay for.


Who cares whether it's referred to as a B team or a single A. Everyone knows what we're talking about. Madlax has this stupid thing where they now call their best team "AAA" despite nobody else in the country doing that. It's just marketing ploy.

The point is they are doing these separate MD and VA tryouts just to make more money. It really isn't going to affect their best teams at all, except that the kids already on those teams now have to pay a tryout fee - another extra cost. For the kids on their "AA" or B teams, they now are on teams that are more diluted.

Nobody said the Madlax teams aren't good. Madlax gets a lot of the best kids early and he locks them up with that stupid monthly fee. But kids peel off after a few years because the parents are fed up with his BS and there are better options for recruiting. Winning games for 5th graders is what Madlax does best. Many people realize later that's not the point of playing club lacrosse.

Look at what happens to Madlax

2016 - best player and FOGO both left for the Crabs
2017 - best defenseman went to VLC
2018 - best defefenseman went to BW, best FOGO went to BW, one of the best attack went to VLC and one of their best middies went to another club
2019 - best FOGO went to Blackwolf
2020 - best player went to Crabs

See a pattern?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/06/15 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So long as it is his dream and you are being supportive that is great. The blue print doesn't include writing checks to a sociopath and rationalizing it as a decent means to and end. We can all be better than that.

Really sociopath that is the word you are going to use. You lose creditability when you use words like that. Everyone reading this he is only crazy when you quit. And its just some nasty emails know this going into it. And its only if your son is going to get a D1 spot. So if you leave and he gets mad be happy your son is a stud. He knows the game I can testify to that. Yes he is loud on the sideline but every time I have heard him yell it was the correct thing he was saying. And 9 out of 10 coaching act like a fool on the sideline. That is just a fact.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/06/15 03:08 PM

Cabell Maddox is the most crass and classless sideline coach I have ever seen in youth sports, period. And I don't have a hearing problem. He is a sociopath. To reason that we could compartmentalize that behavior only in emails and only at "studs" who leave the program -- as opposed to losers who leave I suppose -- is really pretty disturbing to hear from any parent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/06/15 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cabell Maddox is the most crass and classless sideline coach I have ever seen in youth sports, period. And I don't have a hearing problem. He is a sociopath. To reason that we could compartmentalize that behavior only in emails and only at "studs" who leave the program -- as opposed to losers who leave I suppose -- is really pretty disturbing to hear from any parent.

You must be the most soft man I have ever heard. What else hurts your feelings? Are you a kindergarten teacher?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/06/15 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cabell Maddox is the most crass and classless sideline coach I have ever seen in youth sports, period. And I don't have a hearing problem. He is a sociopath. To reason that we could compartmentalize that behavior only in emails and only at "studs" who leave the program -- as opposed to losers who leave I suppose -- is really pretty disturbing to hear from any parent.

Has anyone ever seen the Cavs 2019 head coach he is the biggest fool on the sidelines I have ever seen. And about the ones he does not get mad at when the leave, they are not losers they are just not D1 players. He knows what keeps people coming back and wanting to play for Madlax and thats D1 players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/06/15 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cabell Maddox is the most crass and classless sideline coach I have ever seen in youth sports, period. And I don't have a hearing problem. He is a sociopath. To reason that we could compartmentalize that behavior only in emails and only at "studs" who leave the program -- as opposed to losers who leave I suppose -- is really pretty disturbing to hear from any parent.

You must be the most soft man I have ever heard. What else hurts your feelings? Are you a kindergarten teacher?


I don't think he's saying his feelings are hurt. I think he's saying the leader of the organization to which you write all your checks and whose uniform your son wears is a complete a**clown.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/06/15 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cabell Maddox is the most crass and classless sideline coach I have ever seen in youth sports, period. And I don't have a hearing problem. He is a sociopath. To reason that we could compartmentalize that behavior only in emails and only at "studs" who leave the program -- as opposed to losers who leave I suppose -- is really pretty disturbing to hear from any parent.

You must be the most soft man I have ever heard. What else hurts your feelings? Are you a kindergarten teacher?


You sure sound like a pretty tough anonymous lacrosse dad. I'm retired, sold my business to TPG 6 years ago right after I turned 40. As irony would have it, yes I am currently working on getting a teachers certificate in Virginia and I do hope to get a chance to eventually teach math at a Fairfax County public school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cabell Maddox is the most crass and classless sideline coach I have ever seen in youth sports, period. And I don't have a hearing problem. He is a sociopath. To reason that we could compartmentalize that behavior only in emails and only at "studs" who leave the program -- as opposed to losers who leave I suppose -- is really pretty disturbing to hear from any parent.

You must be the most soft man I have ever heard. What else hurts your feelings? Are you a kindergarten teacher?


I don't think he's saying his feelings are hurt. I think he's saying the leader of the organization to which you write all your checks and whose uniform your son wears is a complete a**clown.

And I and most any Madlax parents knows he is and can be a hot head. We just know the clearly bad parts about him and the club are not greater then the many great to good parts the club gives them. I am on the inside the only bad part for anyone is when you leave the club to go play for a rival club. He acts like a big child and fool. But when you are playing for him and the club everything is great. So if you are leaving why would you care if he is mad at you. The other coaches in the program are all great. And the two kids who really run the place are and the teams are really good guys who hate when he acts like a fool. So that is why I call people babies who are scared he might yell at you in a email when you leave the club. As for him yelling at the kids on the sideline that is so over blown its crazy. He yells yes but is direct and has a good point when he yells at a kid. I have not one problem with how he handles the sidelines. He does not baby the star players like these other club coaches do. On the sideline during the game that is. He and Madlax are not for everyone but I cant let people just bad mouth him and the club for other reasons. Like I have said before there are things you can talk bad about but over blowing things is just girl stuff.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 02:17 PM

Not true at all. I don't know what team your kid is on but any "insider parent" knows you get abusive nasty emails if you don't do everything exactly the way Cabell Maddox wants you to. Also half the parents on my kids team are sick of the blatant favoritism shown to certain overrated kids with overblown egos and dads with cushy relationships. We lost a few great kids because of that bs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 02:31 PM

That sounds like the same story you are going to hear at any club for any sport anywhere in the USA. Madlax has no dads as coaches. You might think a kid is better or worse then they think he is but how does it help them to play a worse kid over a better kid. They get more money and better kids when they win. So why would they do anything that would not help them win. You can disagree with what kid is better or not but I think they just disagree with your opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 03:16 PM

Boom, that's another reason why madlax is works and will be strong. No daddy ball! Name a club that won a reputable tourney and I bet 100 bucks they was no dad as a coach
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 03:50 PM

2020 crush. Spallina. Boom!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boom, that's another reason why madlax is works and will be strong. No daddy ball! Name a club that won a reputable tourney and I bet 100 bucks they was no dad as a coach


I actually agree that offering non-Daddy ball is a real plus, but I'll take the bait:

FCA won the U.S. Lacrosse U15 national championship with a Dad coach. Team 91 won the World Series U13 championship with Dad coach. Now, one can criticize both teams (all star team; daddy ball) and tournaments (made up without best teams there, though that is also true of [lacrosse]'s whose U15 and U13 championships Madlax is deservedly proud - and now Madlax is doing it's own FL championships in late Dec.)

Listen, a great professional non-Dad coach is choice #1. Not every team has that option.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 04:27 PM

Not sure if this is the right forum but I am looking for feedback on the Blackwolf combines for U11 and U13 kids... They had a couple of dates in June - did anyone send their son and if so what did they think about it? Any thoughts welcome. I am trying to decide if it would make sense to send my son to the August combines. Thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That sounds like the same story you are going to hear at any club for any sport anywhere in the USA. Madlax has no dads as coaches. You might think a kid is better or worse then they think he is but how does it help them to play a worse kid over a better kid. They get more money and better kids when they win. So why would they do anything that would not help them win. You can disagree with what kid is better or not but I think they just disagree with your opinion.


That seems like a fair point. Having said that, everyone knows who the better players are, and when recruiting started last year, some of the better players (only some) got edged out and it was weird. They took the hint and left I guess.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 04:54 PM

Why should a father who is well qualified to coach be limited because his son is a good player. The whole thing seems silly to me, you want the best coach in place regardless of his off spring.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why should a father who is well qualified to coach be limited because his son is a good player. The whole thing seems silly to me, you want the best coach in place regardless of his off spring.

As a father of three and a coach of them all at times. When the S- - - hits the fan I am a Dad first and most fathers will tell you that also if they are being truthful. Yes it can work if the coaches son is a 100% stud. But if he is not the best by a long shot it is almost impossible to be done fairly. And when you have a dad coach he is also friends with the other parents witch causes him to keep a kid who should be cut or some form of this.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure if this is the right forum but I am looking for feedback on the Blackwolf combines for U11 and U13 kids... They had a couple of dates in June - did anyone send their son and if so what did they think about it? Any thoughts welcome. I am trying to decide if it would make sense to send my son to the August combines. Thanks.

Well I would say if your son is a star on Madlax now Blackwolf is a smart thing to check out. Its the only club leaving Madlax for makes sense. But be ready for a bad email I hope you can handle the evil owner.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 05:28 PM

My son had a rec coach for 5 years who had a son on the team. It was never a problem and there was never any hint of favoritism toward his kid. So it can be done. it was a well-coached and very competitive team too, winning back-to-back championships.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That sounds like the same story you are going to hear at any club for any sport anywhere in the USA. Madlax has no dads as coaches. You might think a kid is better or worse then they think he is but how does it help them to play a worse kid over a better kid. They get more money and better kids when they win. So why would they do anything that would not help them win. You can disagree with what kid is better or not but I think they just disagree with your opinion.


That seems like a fair point. Having said that, everyone knows who the better players are, and when recruiting started last year, some of the better players (only some) got edged out and it was weird. They took the hint and left I guess.

So I am guessing you are 2019 or older. If you are 2019 they have 2 kids already going D1 and the 2018 team has 5 or 6 I have to recount. Coaches are still coaches and they have players and styles of play they like more then others. I know with 2019 one of the kids is a private school kid and the other is public. And if you look at the Private schools the kids go to they seem to be from all of the ones in the area.
The only way to know if you are correct is if the kids who left go play for and get full rides and the ones that are still at Madlax do not. The best way to look at it is to take the best 5 players in the country any year at any position and the top 10 teams in college will have them ranked in 10 different orders. So the Madlax coaches will be the same. I have been watching the top teams within Madlax and the other top teams for years. And the players are always so close in skill level its nuts. But what you have to understand is the college coaches want body types and speed levels. So if a kid has a weaker left hand but runs a 4.2 40 yard dash. He might be playing more then your slow highly skilled son. Madlax has to look long picture also. They have to think like a college coach. Same thing goes for your high skill son of two 5 foot tall parents. You can not have it both ways Madlax is about winning and having the best players. They will use this rule to break all ties when it comes to playing time and cuts. They cut kids from all the top Private schools all the time. And I know they cut kids who have parents that could buy Madlax twice and not even blink.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son had a rec coach for 5 years who had a son on the team. It was never a problem and there was never any hint of favoritism toward his kid. So it can be done. it was a well-coached and very competitive team too, winning back-to-back championships.

Ok but no matter what its not a good look for anyone coming in to the program from the outside. Even if it works you will never know how many kids never came because they new there was a Dad coaching. And perception is reality.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure if this is the right forum but I am looking for feedback on the Blackwolf combines for U11 and U13 kids... They had a couple of dates in June - did anyone send their son and if so what did they think about it? Any thoughts welcome. I am trying to decide if it would make sense to send my son to the August combines. Thanks.

Well I would say if your son is a star on Madlax now Blackwolf is a smart thing to check out. Its the only club leaving Madlax for makes sense. But be ready for a bad email I hope you can handle the evil owner.


My son is not on Madlax. He is 9 and although he is pretty fast and skilled, I am wondering if he is too small/young for the combine which is for U11 and 113 kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That sounds like the same story you are going to hear at any club for any sport anywhere in the USA. Madlax has no dads as coaches. You might think a kid is better or worse then they think he is but how does it help them to play a worse kid over a better kid. They get more money and better kids when they win. So why would they do anything that would not help them win. You can disagree with what kid is better or not but I think they just disagree with your opinion.


That seems like a fair point. Having said that, everyone knows who the better players are, and when recruiting started last year, some of the better players (only some) got edged out and it was weird. They took the hint and left I guess.

So I am guessing you are 2019 or older. If you are 2019 they have 2 kids already going D1 and the 2018 team has 5 or 6 I have to recount. Coaches are still coaches and they have players and styles of play they like more then others. I know with 2019 one of the kids is a private school kid and the other is public. And if you look at the Private schools the kids go to they seem to be from all of the ones in the area.
The only way to know if you are correct is if the kids who left go play for and get full rides and the ones that are still at Madlax do not. The best way to look at it is to take the best 5 players in the country any year at any position and the top 10 teams in college will have them ranked in 10 different orders. So the Madlax coaches will be the same. I have been watching the top teams within Madlax and the other top teams for years. And the players are always so close in skill level its nuts. But what you have to understand is the college coaches want body types and speed levels. So if a kid has a weaker left hand but runs a 4.2 40 yard dash. He might be playing more then your slow highly skilled son. Madlax has to look long picture also. They have to think like a college coach. Same thing goes for your high skill son of two 5 foot tall parents. You can not have it both ways Madlax is about winning and having the best players. They will use this rule to break all ties when it comes to playing time and cuts. They cut kids from all the top Private schools all the time. And I know they cut kids who have parents that could buy Madlax twice and not even blink.


I think two of the kids that left have committed to D1 schools so they were legit. players. The madlax team is stacked with talent and so it was probably best for those kids to go somewhere else to be seen and recruited.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 06:15 PM

FCA was a made up team of all commits. Coach had no bearing. Best teams would be at these tournaments if the players were the proper age. Usually not the case. That's why these all star teams get made!
A non parent coach will fulfill their obligation to get paid. A parent coach will give you more of an effort and do their best to put own kid in a good spot. If you get a dedicated, capable, qualified parent coach, you are in best scenario.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure if this is the right forum but I am looking for feedback on the Blackwolf combines for U11 and U13 kids... They had a couple of dates in June - did anyone send their son and if so what did they think about it? Any thoughts welcome. I am trying to decide if it would make sense to send my son to the August combines. Thanks.

Well I would say if your son is a star on Madlax now Blackwolf is a smart thing to check out. Its the only club leaving Madlax for makes sense. But be ready for a bad email I hope you can handle the evil owner.



It depends on the particular grade. Madlax gets the kids at a younger age and they hold the families hostage with that credit card system, so their youth teams are usually better than everyone. But it evens out in HS where kids are looking for the best situation for themselves. In HS, both Blackwolf and VLC have been the better HS club in recent years.

Madlax also has a lot of turnover among their coaches, several of whom have been kicked out of tournaments for lunatic behavior.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cabell Maddox is the most crass and classless sideline coach I have ever seen in youth sports, period. And I don't have a hearing problem. He is a sociopath. To reason that we could compartmentalize that behavior only in emails and only at "studs" who leave the program -- as opposed to losers who leave I suppose -- is really pretty disturbing to hear from any parent.

You must be the most soft man I have ever heard. What else hurts your feelings? Are you a kindergarten teacher?


I don't think he's saying his feelings are hurt. I think he's saying the leader of the organization to which you write all your checks and whose uniform your son wears is a complete a**clown.

And I and most any Madlax parents knows he is and can be a hot head. We just know the clearly bad parts about him and the club are not greater then the many great to good parts the club gives them. I am on the inside the only bad part for anyone is when you leave the club to go play for a rival club. He acts like a big child and fool. But when you are playing for him and the club everything is great. So if you are leaving why would you care if he is mad at you. The other coaches in the program are all great. And the two kids who really run the place are and the teams are really good guys who hate when he acts like a fool. So that is why I call people babies who are scared he might yell at you in a email when you leave the club. As for him yelling at the kids on the sideline that is so over blown its crazy. He yells yes but is direct and has a good point when he yells at a kid. I have not one problem with how he handles the sidelines. He does not baby the star players like these other club coaches do. On the sideline during the game that is. He and Madlax are not for everyone but I cant let people just bad mouth him and the club for other reasons. Like I have said before there are things you can talk bad about but over blowing things is just girl stuff.


I have to call a little BS on this. My son played for ML for years, and not all of his coaches were good. Cabell is a pretty good sideline coach, and my son liked playing for him. But when Cabell changed to coach another age group there was a big drop off in coaching. The new coach had clear favorites and would become belligerent if the kids did not run the play he called (odd, since improvising is a part of lax IQ).

Cabell cares only about his club. If the interests of the club overlap with the interests of your child, he is a friend and all are happy. If those interests diverge, he finds it ridiculous that you would choose your child's bests interests over his club, and he becomes a vindictive SOB in response. As to why should you care when you are leaving; simple, he goes out of his way to trash you, and nobody deserves that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And I and most any Madlax parents knows he is and can be a hot head. We just know the clearly bad parts about him and the club are not greater then the many great to good parts the club gives them. I am on the inside the only bad part for anyone is when you leave the club to go play for a rival club. He acts like a big child and fool. But when you are playing for him and the club everything is great. So if you are leaving why would you care if he is mad at you. The other coaches in the program are all great. And the two kids who really run the place are and the teams are really good guys who hate when he acts like a fool. So that is why I call people babies who are scared he might yell at you in a email when you leave the club. As for him yelling at the kids on the sideline that is so over blown its crazy. He yells yes but is direct and has a good point when he yells at a kid. I have not one problem with how he handles the sidelines. He does not baby the star players like these other club coaches do. On the sideline during the game that is. He and Madlax are not for everyone but I cant let people just bad mouth him and the club for other reasons. Like I have said before there are things you can talk bad about but over blowing things is just girl stuff.


1. How are you on the "inside"? Please explain

2. Several of the coaches are terrible and have been kicked out of games for their behavior

3. You are basically saying it's ok if he threatens people who leave as long as it's not you. That may be excusable in your house, but not in mine. There are other clubs that are better or as good when it comes to teaching kids lacrosse or getting them into college programs than Madlax, so we were happy to leave Madlax next year. Talking to some other dads, there are several from his former team who are going to do the same thing this fall.

4. You say other clubs "baby" their star players. Please tell us which clubs and which players are being babied.

5. If Madlax works for you, that's fine. But people are allowed to share their negative experiences with that guy and that club. People have a right to call him out for his behavior. People are allowed to talk about how he gouges people for money and goes after their credit card if they decide to leave.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why should a father who is well qualified to coach be limited because his son is a good player. The whole thing seems silly to me, you want the best coach in place regardless of his off spring.

As a father of three and a coach of them all at times. When the S- - - hits the fan I am a Dad first and most fathers will tell you that also if they are being truthful. Yes it can work if the coaches son is a 100% stud. But if he is not the best by a long shot it is almost impossible to be done fairly. And when you have a dad coach he is also friends with the other parents witch causes him to keep a kid who should be cut or some form of this.

What you describe is not a qualified coach, I said qualified coach.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 07:39 PM

Well said --I think that sums it up nicely.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well said --I think that sums it up nicely.

I'm not sure what was summed up, other than that the father of three shouldn't have been given a whistle.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/07/15 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabell cares only about his club. If the interests of the club overlap with the interests of your child, he is a friend and all are happy. If those interests diverge, he finds it ridiculous that you would choose your child's bests interests over his club, and he becomes a vindictive SOB in response. As to why should you care when you are leaving; simple, he goes out of his way to trash you, and nobody deserves that.


Well said - I think that sums it up nicely.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/10/15 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well said --I think that sums it up nicely.

I'm not sure what was summed up, other than that the father of three shouldn't have been given a whistle.

So lets list things that happen when a Dad is the coach or lest say things that will never happen.
1. The Dad/coaches kid never will be cut no matter if he is the 24th best player on the team.
2. The Dads kid will never be forgotten in a close game and get no playing time.
3. The Dads kid will be given way to much freedom to be a fool, or will be called out unfairly to make a point to the other players and the kid will hate playing.
4. The Dads kid will have private information about his teammates because he will over hear or read something.
This is just 4 examples I thought of in 3 mins. I am sure there is more. And if you go back and read what I said I said a great Coach/Dad will always revert back to Dad when the S*** hits the fan. Like when its time to cut or not cut his kid. Or when his kid is fighting with a teammate. Or when the game is in overtime and he needs to put his sons butt on the line to make a play. His judgement will always be clouded by one of th players being his son. And if you are parent you should be able to understand that. Also I stated that if the coaches kid is a stud the Dad can be the coach more successfully. But if the kid is avg. to not good. It is nearly impossible to be pulled off well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/10/15 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well said --I think that sums it up nicely.

I'm not sure what was summed up, other than that the father of three shouldn't have been given a whistle.

So lets list things that happen when a Dad is the coach or lest say things that will never happen.
1. The Dad/coaches kid never will be cut no matter if he is the 24th best player on the team.
2. The Dads kid will never be forgotten in a close game and get no playing time.
3. The Dads kid will be given way to much freedom to be a fool, or will be called out unfairly to make a point to the other players and the kid will hate playing.
4. The Dads kid will have private information about his teammates because he will over hear or read something.
This is just 4 examples I thought of in 3 mins. I am sure there is more. And if you go back and read what I said I said a great Coach/Dad will always revert back to Dad when the S*** hits the fan. Like when its time to cut or not cut his kid. Or when his kid is fighting with a teammate. Or when the game is in overtime and he needs to put his sons butt on the line to make a play. His judgement will always be clouded by one of th players being his son. And if you are parent you should be able to understand that. Also I stated that if the coaches kid is a stud the Dad can be the coach more successfully. But if the kid is avg. to not good. It is nearly impossible to be pulled off well.

Once again, I said qualified coach and you keep describing someone who is not a qualified coach. A qualified coach is among other things, a person who puts the well being of the team ahead of any single team member including his child. The person you keep describing is not what I am talking about. There is a difference between daddy ball and having father's coach. I have benched my sons when others were better than them and yes I have cut my son, it was a quiet drive home, but it was the right thing to do. In your words that makes me a bad Dad, but I think just the opposite, showing him that he had to earn his spot and role was a lesson that a father had to teach his son. As I said it can be done if the coach is qualified.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/10/15 02:23 PM

^^^

I'm a volunteer Dad coach and think all the above criticisms are fair. And, yes, it helps when your son is an unselfish stud, but doesn't help when he rolls his eyes now and then at the HC (like any son would). I've seen teams ruined - I mean good teams ruined - by daddyball.

I'd love to hand the keys to my team over to a professional coach. In the meanwhile, it's not much fun being a Dad coach when you have to cut a neighbor's kid after tryouts or when your team lays an egg on the field (and you wonder what the heck would a 'real' coach have done to avoid that). Obviously, the fun part is working hard to put your players through good drills at practice and watching your team improve on the field and bond together happily.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/10/15 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well said --I think that sums it up nicely.

I'm not sure what was summed up, other than that the father of three shouldn't have been given a whistle.

So lets list things that happen when a Dad is the coach or lest say things that will never happen.
1. The Dad/coaches kid never will be cut no matter if he is the 24th best player on the team.
2. The Dads kid will never be forgotten in a close game and get no playing time.
3. The Dads kid will be given way to much freedom to be a fool, or will be called out unfairly to make a point to the other players and the kid will hate playing.
4. The Dads kid will have private information about his teammates because he will over hear or read something.
This is just 4 examples I thought of in 3 mins. I am sure there is more. And if you go back and read what I said I said a great Coach/Dad will always revert back to Dad when the S*** hits the fan. Like when its time to cut or not cut his kid. Or when his kid is fighting with a teammate. Or when the game is in overtime and he needs to put his sons butt on the line to make a play. His judgement will always be clouded by one of th players being his son. And if you are parent you should be able to understand that. Also I stated that if the coaches kid is a stud the Dad can be the coach more successfully. But if the kid is avg. to not good. It is nearly impossible to be pulled off well.


you've detailed some of the reasons being a parent coach is so difficult. Kudos to the many that do it well and for the betterment of all kids on their teams. I would add to the list the sideline parents who are only interested in the success & playing time of their own kid. And who over value their own kids skill. This sport is really expensive. Every team or program can;t afford to pay for professional coaching.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/10/15 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well said --I think that sums it up nicely.

I'm not sure what was summed up, other than that the father of three shouldn't have been given a whistle.

So lets list things that happen when a Dad is the coach or lest say things that will never happen.
1. The Dad/coaches kid never will be cut no matter if he is the 24th best player on the team.
2. The Dads kid will never be forgotten in a close game and get no playing time.
3. The Dads kid will be given way to much freedom to be a fool, or will be called out unfairly to make a point to the other players and the kid will hate playing.
4. The Dads kid will have private information about his teammates because he will over hear or read something.
This is just 4 examples I thought of in 3 mins. I am sure there is more. And if you go back and read what I said I said a great Coach/Dad will always revert back to Dad when the S*** hits the fan. Like when its time to cut or not cut his kid. Or when his kid is fighting with a teammate. Or when the game is in overtime and he needs to put his sons butt on the line to make a play. His judgement will always be clouded by one of th players being his son. And if you are parent you should be able to understand that. Also I stated that if the coaches kid is a stud the Dad can be the coach more successfully. But if the kid is avg. to not good. It is nearly impossible to be pulled off well.


you've detailed some of the reasons being a parent coach is so difficult. Kudos to the many that do it well and for the betterment of all kids on their teams. I would add to the list the sideline parents who are only interested in the success & playing time of their own kid. And who over value their own kids skill. This sport is really expensive. Every team or program can;t afford to pay for professional coaching.

Well I understand 100% with the money part. But when someone stats how much more money Madlax is to play for it needs to be pointed out that the paid coaches is what most of the extra goes to.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/10/15 06:37 PM

Madlax is a for profit company. The extra charges do not go into their coaches' pockets. Take a guess where the extra goes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 12:36 AM

The extra money at madlax goes to more practices, more tourneys, etc. It is a good organization with a good product. It is much more expensive than any other club I know of, but it delivers across the board if your rec situation is unacceptable for whatever reason. The drawback is the end game of being in that organization and the fact that if there is a problem, then things can get pretty darn uncomfortable pretty darn fast. There is no other club in nova that delivers a stand alone lax club. The others are all designed to be coupled with playing rec. For youth, VLC is the only one that even comes close in nova, but it's just a different product at the youth level...not a full service program. Madlax seems to have an issue at the HS level and therein lies the rub for many. VLC and Blackwolf are generally superior programs at the HS level. It will be interesting in the coming years with Blackwolf entering the youth market and madlax trying to create a Md version of themselves. 2019 and 2020 year groups could be the canary in the coal mine for one of these clubs. Maddox is a sharp business guy, Trig is a smart guy and a lax guru, and VLC is well run with Crab connections and always seems to get things together consistently. The next year or two will be interesting.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax is a for profit company. The extra charges do not go into their coaches' pockets. Take a guess where the extra goes.

The coaches get paid what a public high school coach makes per season. If not more. And the 2 guys under the Owner get paid a salary around what a teacher makes. As for a owner taking profits that is what owners do. And like what has been stated before when things are for profit you know the motivation is always winning and having better players. Which is better then always thinking this guy is friends with this guy and this school and that club and any of the other issues you worry about when its all for "the Good of Kids".
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The extra money at madlax goes to more practices, more tourneys, etc. It is a good organization with a good product. It is much more expensive than any other club I know of, but it delivers across the board if your rec situation is unacceptable for whatever reason. The drawback is the end game of being in that organization and the fact that if there is a problem, then things can get pretty darn uncomfortable pretty darn fast. There is no other club in nova that delivers a stand alone lax club. The others are all designed to be coupled with playing rec. For youth, VLC is the only one that even comes close in nova, but it's just a different product at the youth level...not a full service program. Madlax seems to have an issue at the HS level and therein lies the rub for many. VLC and Blackwolf are generally superior programs at the HS level. It will be interesting in the coming years with Blackwolf entering the youth market and madlax trying to create a Md version of themselves. 2019 and 2020 year groups could be the canary in the coal mine for one of these clubs. Maddox is a sharp business guy, Trig is a smart guy and a lax guru, and VLC is well run with Crab connections and always seems to get things together consistently. The next year or two will be interesting.

I agree with this post 100%. And these 3 clubs are the top 3 in the Nova area. The talent level in Nova is at a point now that if the best 60 players at each grad year play for these 3 top teams every kid will be find and have a shot at there top goals of college ball. So my advise is try to play for any of these 3, any other option in the NOVA is more for fun /something to do.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 01:29 PM

We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies

I really would not argue with that but what if you are the 26 best player in the state. I think you want a good team to play for. I think good players will be found by the right people as long as they are in the right places. These 3 clubs put the kids in the correct places. You can argue witch one does the best. But you can not assume its best for all top 60 to be on Madlax. If you are 2nd best Goalie in the state and the best plays for Madlax. Common sense says you should play for Blackworlf or VLC.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies

I really would not argue with that but what if you are the 26 best player in the state. I think you want a good team to play for. I think good players will be found by the right people as long as they are in the right places. These 3 clubs put the kids in the correct places. You can argue witch one does the best. But you can not assume its best for all top 60 to be on Madlax. If you are 2nd best Goalie in the state and the best plays for Madlax. Common sense says you should play for Blackworlf or VLC.

In most cases, the 2nd best goalie in the state would still play a half of a game regardless of what club he plays for
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies

I really would not argue with that but what if you are the 26 best player in the state. I think you want a good team to play for. I think good players will be found by the right people as long as they are in the right places. These 3 clubs put the kids in the correct places. You can argue witch one does the best. But you can not assume its best for all top 60 to be on Madlax. If you are 2nd best Goalie in the state and the best plays for Madlax. Common sense says you should play for Blackworlf or VLC.

In most cases, the 2nd best goalie in the state would still play a half of a game regardless of what club he plays for

How would that be the best option for a goalie the is half the playing time. And i am sure if its a championship game he will sit the complete game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies


Your son plays for Madlax. We get it.

You keep saying the same things but they're not true. Both BW and VLC have great HS teams and actually have more college commits.

There's no reason to keep belittling and making things up about other clubs just to boost your opinion of Madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 06:09 PM

Is it OK for my kid to play for a lesser club team and just have fun? (commenter ducks for cover under the desk as all the parents of these MLL stars are ready to give me advise or demean my sons, LOL)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies

I really would not argue with that but what if you are the 26 best player in the state. I think you want a good team to play for. I think good players will be found by the right people as long as they are in the right places. These 3 clubs put the kids in the correct places. You can argue witch one does the best. But you can not assume its best for all top 60 to be on Madlax. If you are 2nd best Goalie in the state and the best plays for Madlax. Common sense says you should play for Blackworlf or VLC.

In most cases, the 2nd best goalie in the state would still play a half of a game regardless of what club he plays for

How would that be the best option for a goalie the is half the playing time. And i am sure if its a championship game he will sit the complete game.

Basically every summer tournament game I've ever seen in the past ten years splits time between two goalies. He's probably gonna split somewhere, you are right a very few teams might sit a goalie in a championship game, but if you have the 2 best goalies in the state I seriously doubt a coach would do that. The 1st, 2nd or 46th best goalie in the state should choose a program that will give him individual goalie work during practice and during skill sessions.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies


Your son plays for Madlax. We get it.

You keep saying the same things but they're not true. Both BW and VLC have great HS teams and actually have more college commits.

There's no reason to keep belittling and making things up about other clubs just to boost your opinion of Madlax.

Well feel free to list them because this information is public so it should be able to be posted on this site.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it OK for my kid to play for a lesser club team and just have fun? (commenter ducks for cover under the desk as all the parents of these MLL stars are ready to give me advise or demean my sons, LOL)

No on said its bad to play for a lesser club for fun. But if your son is in the top 60 players for the NOVA area its not really helping him to be the best he can be. And the funny thing is people always assume that the kids have no fun on the top teams. Why is this, kids have fun being with kids no mater how many games they play or where they play. And winning games is always more fun.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 08:21 PM

I don't understand how you can say VLC & Blackwolf HS teams are better than Madlax. Don't know a lot about the Blackwolf 2016 - 19 teams but do know that the Maclax 2016 team beat them at the UA shootout this summer. As for the. VLC HS teams, I do know a little about those teams since I have several friends that have a son who played or are currently playing for either VLC 2016, 2017& 2018, 2016 & 18 are weak for a AA team - no doubt about it. 2017 lost a couple of studs but are still pretty good. However, I don't believe they could beat the Madlax 2017 team which won the IL recruiting tourney this summer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 08:52 PM

What does the statement about Blackwolf being a 'partial approach' mean?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't understand how you can say VLC & Blackwolf HS teams are better than Madlax. Don't know a lot about the Blackwolf 2016 - 19 teams but do know that the Maclax 2016 team beat them at the UA shootout this summer. As for the. VLC HS teams, I do know a little about those teams since I have several friends that have a son who played or are currently playing for either VLC 2016, 2017& 2018, 2016 & 18 are weak for a AA team - no doubt about it. 2017 lost a couple of studs but are still pretty good. However, I don't believe they could beat the Madlax 2017 team which won the IL recruiting tourney this summer.


VLC and Blackwolf historically have had more D1 commits....obviously the landscape is changing with madlax 2019. At VLC and Blackwolf, the priority has been for HS and not youth. This is changing as well. Things will be interesting for the 2019/2020 kids and beyond because of the changing landscape.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/11/15 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does the statement about Blackwolf being a 'partial approach' mean?

Well BlackWolf takes kids from other clubs who are all ready being recruited hard. And gives them a option of less tournaments and more practice. Witch is fine for kids in this senerio. But if you are still working to be seen its not a good option.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/12/15 12:13 AM

VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/12/15 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

Blackwolf should not be in the conversation either. There is only a conversation because it is tryout time and Trig needs players after nearly shutting it down last year. That's right, after the Saint Stephens fiasco, he almost moved to Texas. Caveat Emptor

He comes on boards and bashes Madlax every year at this time. Equally pathetic and tiring.

Try something positive or move to Texas.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/12/15 01:36 AM

Is it really about winning on club teams? I'm wondering what the end game is if it is not about getting into a quality college program. I think there is plenty of quality lax in HS if it's just about playing and having fun. I don't see the role of a club if it is not for getting a D1 opportunity. Some clubs are about your kid improving to be able to make HS varsity....like cavs, freedom, 3D. Some are about getting into a D1 program like MADLAX, VLC, and Blackwolf. All 3 do that well....VLC and Blackwolf traditionally exceptionally well, but madlax getting 2 2019's this early is clearly a game changer. I think madlax does REALLY well at the youth levels and develops talent but has historically not done well with D1 commits for whatever reason....Maddux maybe? I think if folks on here are picking a club based on the team's record, you might be missing the bigger picture. Your loyalty should be to your son and not necessarily your club. Things change quickly here.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/12/15 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

VLC 2019's won NPYLL Championship this past spring
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/12/15 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

VLC 2019's won NPYLL Championship this past spring


Exactly....in the B division. Go look at who they played.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/12/15 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

VLC 2019's won NPYLL Championship this past spring


Exactly....in the B division. Go look at who they played.

This is a fact. And they played in summer tournaments in the middle div. when they play up like at young guns they lost by double digits to the other top teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/12/15 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it really about winning on club teams? I'm wondering what the end game is if it is not about getting into a quality college program. I think there is plenty of quality lax in HS if it's just about playing and having fun. I don't see the role of a club if it is not for getting a D1 opportunity. Some clubs are about your kid improving to be able to make HS varsity....like cavs, freedom, 3D. Some are about getting into a D1 program like MADLAX, VLC, and Blackwolf. All 3 do that well....VLC and Blackwolf traditionally exceptionally well, but madlax getting 2 2019's this early is clearly a game changer. I think madlax does REALLY well at the youth levels and develops talent but has historically not done well with D1 commits for whatever reason....Maddux maybe? I think if folks on here are picking a club based on the team's record, you might be missing the bigger picture. Your loyalty should be to your son and not necessarily your club. Things change quickly here.

Well I can not think of the exact year but one of the really good VLC teams I think 2016 or 2017 is full of kids who left Madlax after the big email Maddux fight?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/12/15 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

VLC 2019's won NPYLL Championship this past spring


Exactly....in the B division. Go look at who they played.


That was my point, unfotunately it's hard to read sarcasm through the computer
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/12/15 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

VLC 2019's won NPYLL Championship this past spring


HAHAHAHAHA
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/12/15 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

Blackwolf should not be in the conversation either. There is only a conversation because it is tryout time and Trig needs players after nearly shutting it down last year. That's right, after the Saint Stephens fiasco, he almost moved to Texas. Caveat Emptor

He comes on boards and bashes Madlax every year at this time. Equally pathetic and tiring.

Try something positive or move to Texas.


What is the Saint Stephens fiasco?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/12/15 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

VLC 2019's won NPYLL Championship this past spring


Exactly....in the B division. Go look at who they played.

This is a fact. And they played in summer tournaments in the middle div. when they play up like at young guns they lost by double digits to the other top teams.


Not exactly....they played single A in NPYLL and won the "championship"....nothing to brag about, but then won the Richmond summer rumble tourney (only one division but not an elite tourney) and also won the MD invitational/Greene Turtle (not an elite tourney either) playing AA. Younggunz did not go well...this is a legit tourney though. This was an 8th grade team so not quite HS.....of course VLC does not place much priority on youth. No one in nova competes with madlax at the youth level. Madlax's HS and D1 commit success (or lack thereof) does not match up to their youth program though....big drop off for whatever reason. VLC and BW are "in the conversation" for D1 placement....they have blown madlax away in this category. Not sure where the priority is for some folks here, but a lot of kids play club for D1 potential.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/12/15 09:53 PM

Madlax 2016-2019 has 21 commits (not including Partner programs). VLC has 18 commits. Seems you misinformed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/12/15 10:16 PM

I see you conveniently left out 2015....probably bc VLC would have blown them away. I think you are right though....the tide appears to be turning in favor of madlax in recent years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/12/15 11:47 PM

I only included the current high school teams, obviously the 2015 team doesn't exist anymore, but for kicks-and-giggles let's take a wider sample size - from 2012 to present, madlax with 79 d1 commits, vlc with 49. I think it is safe to say that, when it comes to getting kids committed to D1 programs, the Madlax HS program is equally as good as VLC and Blackwolf, if not better. Not trying to get into a virtual pissing match, just wanted to refute an inaccurate statement posted by the previous poster.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 12:08 AM

Your stats are skewed. Ridiculous to go that far back because VLC wasn't fielding full teams back then. Also, if you are going to include commits from other areas owned by Madlax, then you should include the Baltimore Crabs with VLC's stats.

The fact is BW and VLC have been putting together much better HS teams than Madlax for years. The 2018 Madlax is a good one, though they are starting to see defections of key players.

Madlax is a bigger program, but not a better one. Not surprisingly that so many families leave Madlax during the HS years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

Blackwolf should not be in the conversation either. There is only a conversation because it is tryout time and Trig needs players after nearly shutting it down last year. That's right, after the Saint Stephens fiasco, he almost moved to Texas. Caveat Emptor

He comes on boards and bashes Madlax every year at this time. Equally pathetic and tiring.

Try something positive or move to Texas.


Trig was looking to expand to Texas, not leave DC. The fact is almost every BW team is better than Madlax's. 2016, 2017, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 12:48 AM

The first post didn't go that far back and yet still Madlax had more commits. Stop making excuses. There is no argument.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 01:46 AM

BW and VLC have more D1 commits. That's why kids leave Madlax when they hit HS.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
BW and VLC have more D1 commits. That's why kids leave Madlax when they hit HS.

You keep saying that, even when confronted by evidence to the contrary. VLC has nowhere near the current commits of Madlax and the gap is growing. Blackwolf took down its commits list because it is so weak. Why lie? What is your motivation?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2018 Madlax is a good one, though they are starting to see defections of key players.



I assume you are talking about 2018 Orange - to my knowledge there has only been one player leave (yes, a very good player) but who has been in and out a previous time, and another player who's primary sport is football and who has never completely committed himself to lacrosse (although he would likely be a great lacrosse player if he committed more time to the sport). I wouldn't consider that the "start of defection of key players..." This team which is preparing to enter their 2nd year in HS continues to do very well in every tourney they play with 2 legit wins this summer - Big4 Invitational and IL Invitational. With so many more teams popping up it is harder for teams to keep their full roster of kids together year over year as some kids may want to see more playing time and see another team as an opportunity to do that. I think each club - Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf have their pros and cons and kids and families may need to try out different programs to find the right fit. Madlax 2018 has never played Blackwolf but would be interesting to see that matchup.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 02:30 PM

Madlax 2018 has lost four very good players and a few more are apparently going to leave.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2018 has lost four very good players and a few more are apparently going to leave.


Poster answered this question. Are you talking about the Blue team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
VLC shouldn't even be in the conversation. They have one top 10 team. The rest are mediocre at best.

Blackwolf should not be in the conversation either. There is only a conversation because it is tryout time and Trig needs players after nearly shutting it down last year. That's right, after the Saint Stephens fiasco, he almost moved to Texas. Caveat Emptor

He comes on boards and bashes Madlax every year at this time. Equally pathetic and tiring.

Try something positive or move to Texas.


What is the Saint Stephens fiasco?


What are you talking about?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 03:09 PM

Why do kids leave madlax at such a critical time in the recruiting process?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do kids leave madlax at such a critical time in the recruiting process?

Most kids leave Madlax because they are already talking to a college coach or coaches. So they can leave Madlax and play for a Blackwolf and play less tournaments. They do not need to do 5 to 8 tournaments Plus showcases when you are on the radar of a great program. Madlax has a harder/more games schedule compared to the other two. So if you want to be seen or need to be seen you need Madlax. Or the other main reason is you are now playing for a top Private school and you want to play where you coach wants you to play or with players from the same School. Also there is the third reason you are the 7th Middie , the 4 or 5th Attackman, 2nd Goalie or 3rd Fogo. These last examples I think are the real reason most leave. Even though the people leaving would never want people to know this was the real reason they left. Also Madlax will make your kid change positions if they feel its best for the team or him. Tons of kids get moved to LSM or Pole. and this does not always sit well with teenage boys.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has a harder/more games schedule compared to the other two. So if you want to be seen or need to be seen you need Madlax.


Yeah, tons of Madlax kids are seen by top D1 coaches at those Madlax tournaments in Poolesville, MD.

Tons.

Madlax makes you play in 5-6 tournaments which is ridiculous. You only need to play in 2-3 good ones plus whatever individual showcase you're targeting. It's all about charging the customer more for less.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do kids leave madlax at such a critical time in the recruiting process?

Most kids leave Madlax because they are already talking to a college coach or coaches. So they can leave Madlax and play for a Blackwolf and play less tournaments. They do not need to do 5 to 8 tournaments Plus showcases when you are on the radar of a great program. Madlax has a harder/more games schedule compared to the other two. So if you want to be seen or need to be seen you need Madlax. Or the other main reason is you are now playing for a top Private school and you want to play where you coach wants you to play or with players from the same School. Also there is the third reason you are the 7th Middie , the 4 or 5th Attackman, 2nd Goalie or 3rd Fogo. These last examples I think are the real reason most leave. Even though the people leaving would never want people to know this was the real reason they left. Also Madlax will make your kid change positions if they feel its best for the team or him. Tons of kids get moved to LSM or Pole. and this does not always sit well with teenage boys.


I agree, particularly the 3rd reason. Little Johnny is always the best player on the team in his parent's eyes and it is the coach that can't recognize it. Again, in the parent's eyes and most have never played the game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 04:47 PM

why doesn't Blackwolf post the coaches' resumes? They are easy to find on the Madlax website
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has a harder/more games schedule compared to the other two. So if you want to be seen or need to be seen you need Madlax.


Yeah, tons of Madlax kids are seen by top D1 coaches at those Madlax tournaments in Poolesville, MD.

Tons.

Madlax makes you play in 5-6 tournaments which is ridiculous. You only need to play in 2-3 good ones plus whatever individual showcase you're targeting. It's all about charging the customer more for less.


Trig, you really need to spend a little $$ on marketing. Or trying winning a tournament. Stop blindly bashing and sell something.

You know that Madlax plays the hardest schedule of any top 10 club in the country, including Baltimore Crabs, Duke/HHH and Team 91, and plays in front of dozens of college coaches game after game. Tournament after tournament is top competition, attracting coaches to come to them. BS to suggest anything else.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has a harder/more games schedule compared to the other two. So if you want to be seen or need to be seen you need Madlax.


Yeah, tons of Madlax kids are seen by top D1 coaches at those Madlax tournaments in Poolesville, MD.

Tons.

Madlax makes you play in 5-6 tournaments which is ridiculous. You only need to play in 2-3 good ones plus whatever individual showcase you're targeting. It's all about charging the customer more for less.

The funny thing is none of the high school orange teams play in the tournament in Poolsville MD. I think 2019 Orange is the oldest team to play. So your Joke is off but good try. The argument about how many tournaments you play in, is a personal one. If you started lacrosse in 6th or 7th grade you might need to get in more games to get you Lax IQ up. Like I said before if you are a lacrosse lifer and have contact with a top college program you are correct you can do 2-3 and a showcase. So once again Nova needs 3 top teams and these 3 are what we got so compare all you like but saying any of the three are bad or no good is just wrong.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do kids leave madlax at such a critical time in the recruiting process?


I think the other poster about the 2018 seeing the beginning of a defection is clearly uninformed. Maybe he is referring to the FOGO that is reclassing to 2019 or perhaps the d-pole that is out for several months with an ACL tear or another middie that is out with a foot injury. He's either referring to the Blue team or doesn't have all of the facts...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has a harder/more games schedule compared to the other two. So if you want to be seen or need to be seen you need Madlax.


Yeah, tons of Madlax kids are seen by top D1 coaches at those Madlax tournaments in Poolesville, MD.

Tons.

Madlax makes you play in 5-6 tournaments which is ridiculous. You only need to play in 2-3 good ones plus whatever individual showcase you're targeting. It's all about charging the customer more for less.


Looking at the 2018 Orange schedule on the Madlax website, they played in the Platinum Cup, Big4 Invitational, Crab Feast, UA Shootout, with the National Team (majority 2018 Orange Capital players) participating in the IL Invitational. That's a pretty solid lineup of events regardless of the number
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/13/15 09:00 PM

Or sometimes the kid is a good on age player, but the kid(s) in front are holdbacks and more advanced at this time.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do kids leave madlax at such a critical time in the recruiting process?

Most kids leave Madlax because they are already talking to a college coach or coaches. So they can leave Madlax and play for a Blackwolf and play less tournaments. They do not need to do 5 to 8 tournaments Plus showcases when you are on the radar of a great program. Madlax has a harder/more games schedule compared to the other two. So if you want to be seen or need to be seen you need Madlax. Or the other main reason is you are now playing for a top Private school and you want to play where you coach wants you to play or with players from the same School. Also there is the third reason you are the 7th Middie , the 4 or 5th Attackman, 2nd Goalie or 3rd Fogo. These last examples I think are the real reason most leave. Even though the people leaving would never want people to know this was the real reason they left. Also Madlax will make your kid change positions if they feel its best for the team or him. Tons of kids get moved to LSM or Pole. and this does not always sit well with teenage boys.


I agree, particularly the 3rd reason. Little Johnny is always the best player on the team in his parent's eyes and it is the coach that can't recognize it. Again, in the parent's eyes and most have never played the game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 12:24 AM

That lineup is fine, although UA Shootout has lost a lot of luster and the IL Invitational isn't the strongest field.

Bigger issue is that no HS kid needs to play in 5-6 tournaments a summer. 2-3 is more than enough. It also conflicts with the individual events these kids are attending as well.

Scheduling 5-6 tournament is bad enough But making them pay for all of them even if they can't attend them all? Wow.

BW has a much better model. It is about the kids first.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 12:58 AM

Trig is anything but all about the kids first. BW and VLC are all about selling future bench players to colleges. Name one Blackwolf or VLC kid on a college roster at a ACC, B1G, Ivy or Patriot League team who made all conference this year. This is a pattern. All those fabulous D1 commits from BW and VLC did nothing when they went to college but collect splinters in their arses. Nothing.

That will change next year when Jack Rowlett gets to UNC. But that is one. Just one.

Trig and Bullet need better comedy material than all those commits named. Doesn't mean a thing if you don't see the field in college.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 03:13 AM

6 Blackwolf alumni were in the national championship game
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 04:30 AM

Do madlax kids really do 5+ tournaments every summer?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 10:46 AM

6 BW alumni watched the national championship game from the sidelines without needing to buy a ticket. That is exactly the point. BW and VLC have had recent success placing players to programs where they never see the field.

Name one player who made all conference. Just one. Try to name a starter too. You're reaching and misrepresenting.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do madlax kids really do 5+ tournaments every summer?

Its 4 a summer for sure, Then if you are National team you get a 5th. Then you throw in the showcases that will get you to 6 to 8 a summer. As for any schedule Madlax puts everything they do online on the website for anyone to read. Which is a good and bad thing. These other clubs do not even posts there rosters like its a good thing for people to not know who is on there teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Trig is anything but all about the kids first. BW and VLC are all about selling future bench players to colleges. Name one Blackwolf or VLC kid on a college roster at a ACC, B1G, Ivy or Patriot League team who made all conference this year. This is a pattern. All those fabulous D1 commits from BW and VLC did nothing when they went to college but collect splinters in their arses. Nothing.

That will change next year when Jack Rowlett gets to UNC. But that is one. Just one.

Trig and Bullet need better comedy material than all those commits named. Doesn't mean a thing if you don't see the field in college.
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Why all of the discussion about Blackwolf on a Madlax thread? Blackwolf is on life support like Trig's coaching career after Saint Stephens. What tournaments has Blackwolf won? What have they done but be a cheaper, less intense alternative for already recruited Madlax and Crabs kids? Let's start a Blackwolf thread so Trig can post for the crickets...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 12:47 PM

I think I'm starting to see why people leave madlax....6-8 tourney events is insane. I'm appalled at how douchy some of the parents are. I would imagine 6-8 weekends of that every summer would drive anyone away. It's a shame bc the kids are losing out. Maryland has such good options for lacrosse. Nova just sucks until high school. It is what it is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think I'm starting to see why people leave madlax....6-8 tourney events is insane. I'm appalled at how douchy some of the parents are. I would imagine 6-8 weekends of that every summer would drive anyone away. It's a shame bc the kids are losing out. Maryland has such good options for lacrosse. Nova just sucks until high school. It is what it is.

Its only Four tournaments for all the young age kids. And the high school kids can take tournaments off you just have to pay for all of them in one flat overall fee. People with Lacrosse money really do not care about the cost. And it just kills me when people talk about cost of things. 80% of Madlax kids go to Private Schools that cost 20K a year on avg. No kid has a gun to his head to make every tournament. And everywhere else in the world people like options. Also if you read the text on the website for the new MD and VA teams it looks like they might be moving to a more flexible schedule. Because with three teams at each age, you could let kids pick and choice more and only field two teams not 3 on a weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think I'm starting to see why people leave madlax....6-8 tourney events is insane. I'm appalled at how douchy some of the parents are. I would imagine 6-8 weekends of that every summer would drive anyone away. It's a shame bc the kids are losing out. Maryland has such good options for lacrosse. Nova just sucks until high school. It is what it is.

You are appalled at how Douchy the parents are. You are on a crazy youth Lacrosse website gossiping about Kids just like everyone else on here. So as a basic rule of thumb if you are posting and reading this site you are Douchy.
Posted By: TommyM

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think I'm starting to see why people leave madlax....6-8 tourney events is insane. I'm appalled at how douchy some of the parents are. I would imagine 6-8 weekends of that every summer would drive anyone away. It's a shame bc the kids are losing out. Maryland has such good options for lacrosse. Nova just sucks until high school. It is what it is.

You are appalled at how Douchy the parents are. You are on a crazy youth Lacrosse website gossiping about Kids just like everyone else on here. So as a basic rule of thumb if you are posting and reading this site you are Douchy.


HEY!!! Watch that!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 02:35 PM

Wish I won the sperm lottery. frown
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
And the high school kids can take tournaments off you just have to pay for all of them in one flat overall fee.


Awesome. I'd be psyched to pay for tournaments that we cannot attend. What a bargain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
People with Lacrosse money really do not care about the cost.


I, and many people, do care about the cost of lacrosse. You are a [lacrosse].




Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 04:26 PM

In a non-profit model, at least, a flat fee is administratively easier, incentives folks to prioritize tournaments and lowers the average cost per tournament per attendee.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 04:50 PM

Can we talk about how Madlax has a 2020 kid playing on their 2020 Orange team? Or a 2017 kid who has played the entire year on their 2018 team despite being a public school 2017 kid?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
6 BW alumni watched the national championship game from the sidelines without needing to buy a ticket. That is exactly the point. BW and VLC have had recent success placing players to programs where they never see the field.

Name one player who made all conference. Just one. Try to name a starter too. You're reaching and misrepresenting.


Wow, whoever wrote this has some serious issues. Are you really trying to cheapen the lacrosse experience of 6 young men that played in a NCAA championship game to promote the fact your youth club is the best in the world?

Step back and relax.

These kids could care less about the clubs they play(ed) for, all of them helped them reach their potential (NCAA championship, college club lax, or not playing at all). Good for all the kids that play college lacrosse, and don't lesson their experience because you want to brag about how well your youth club is.

Parents, your sons are all great kids. No one cares where they play travel lacrosse, if it's good for you, to each his own.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 07:14 PM

The Madlax dads on this thread are nuts. If lacrosse aids in getting one son into the college and obtaining the education they so desire, that's a win. Playing time is a bonus. The point of getting into a school is to obtain a great education.

Get a grip. No wonder some of you look the other way whenever the Madlax owner threatens someone.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 07:53 PM

Any idea how Madlax will determine which tournaments the "AA" Va and Md teams play and which the "AAA" Capital All-Stars play?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/14/15 08:17 PM

I would look at the spring and summer tournaments that for the Capital and National teams this year. I would expect the VA / MD teams to play primarily in the MADLAX run tournaments plus a few others like Hershey. I would expect the Capital team to play in some of the middle to high level tournaments with a bit overlap on both sides.

The other factor is how strong the teams are. He protects his reputation as much as possible and avoids getting creamed. Please note that he cleaned house with one age group between the spring and summer rosters.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/15/15 12:58 AM

What age group?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/15/15 07:13 PM

It doesn't matter if what you call it. These new "MD" and "VA" teams are going to be lesser than the "Capital" team. Every club has an A team for each grade (or whatever they call it), and any other team in that grade are kids who couldn't make the top team. Doesn't matter if you call them a B team or "Single A" - we all know what it means.

It is pretty rare for any kid to have a good experience on a B team. If a kid just wants to have fun and get more reps, then a B team could be fine. Otherwise, a B team gets no publicity recruiting wise, plays lesser opponents in lesser tournaments, etc.

It's one thing for a kid who tries out for Madlax not sure if he can make their top team. But if he doesn't, he should definitely try to find another club whose A team he can play on. I know one kid who played for Madlax Blue all the way until he finally made their Orange team (partly because a lot of the Orange kids had left for other clubs). The parents regretted it because he didn't get any exposure his freshman and sophomore years playing for Madlax Blue. By the time he made Orange, it was too late.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/15/15 08:49 PM

Hard to tell whether separate lesser teams or more similar to a national team. Sounds like a kid can play both for the Virginia "AA" team and Madlax-Capital. I guess we'll see soon, in terms who the kids practice with.

In any event, it shouldn't be all about ER. It should be about developing into a great HS player who helps his varsity team advance through the playoffs. In Virginia, only about 5 kids per year commit to a top 10 program not named UVA.

Was a kid that doesn't go from Blue to Orange until after sophomore year really likely to have gotten an offer just because he played for Orange for those two prior years? What other youth program in NoVa is a better alternative for a kid who can make the Virginia team but not the Capital team? 3d@Leesburg? Reverse commute to Cville? Drive to Bethesda? Live in Old Town so you can take your kid to Annapolis via I-95? I get that once you are a stud 9th grader you can probably find a travel team that gives you better exposure for the buck, whether Blackwolf or Duke's, etc., but who do you play for until then.

It's inevitable that another youth program will start up in NoVa and have a legit A-AA program, but where is it? Most mid-level Maryland programs usually have at least one year/team that is AA (eg, Diamondbacks 2022's), but I can't find another NoVa youth program that even fields a single A team/year, much less a AA team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/18/15 11:52 AM

Has anyone else seen that they are starting a Madlax Georgia. this Sept? It says it will be based out of Atlanta. I guess the next question is how many partner programs is to many? This will only take National team spots away from the local Capital teams. This could be looked at as good or bad? But overall I think they have done a good job so far of still picking the best players for the National teams. They are all still Capital heavy if you read the rosters. Talking to the parents of kids on the National teams they still feel some of the kids from the other programs are not as good as some of the local kids not on the National team. But I am assuming if the head of a Partner program is fighting for a kid they have to put him on the team. Wonder how the other Madlax parents feel about these questions.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/18/15 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has anyone else seen that they are starting a Madlax Georgia. this Sept? It says it will be based out of Atlanta. I guess the next question is how many partner programs is to many? This will only take National team spots away from the local Capital teams. This could be looked at as good or bad? But overall I think they have done a good job so far of still picking the best players for the National teams. They are all still Capital heavy if you read the rosters. Talking to the parents of kids on the National teams they still feel some of the kids from the other programs are not as good as some of the local kids not on the National team. But I am assuming if the head of a Partner program is fighting for a kid they have to put him on the team. Wonder how the other Madlax parents feel about these questions.


The more the merrier! It makes any spot more valuable, including the one my son has earned. I agree with the sentiment that Capital team is stronger than National Team. All players are good, but in many cases local team has developed chemistry missing from National Team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/18/15 09:26 PM

More money for Madlax's bank account.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/19/15 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
More money for Madlax's bank account.

Yes little Johnny you are correct, that is how business works. Madlax makes money and if they want to keep making money they will keep winning and giving a good product.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/19/15 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
More money for Madlax's bank account.

Man that Wegmans down the street keeps giving everything people are looking for and need. But I hate them they are making a profit how dare they. The point being Madlax is not hiding behind a Non-profit label like some of these other clubs. Its a free market system and this is why they stay at or near the top. They other clubs go up and down based on the age and who is active for that age group. When a dads kid leaves the program goes away or down with it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/19/15 03:07 PM

There is nothing wrong with Madlax being a for-profit company (although a non-profit has its interests more aligned with its families).

People can like it or leave it when it comes to Madlax' tactics for squeezing them for monthly fees, etc. It seems that more and more families are choosing to leave it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/19/15 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is nothing wrong with Madlax being a for-profit company (although a non-profit has its interests more aligned with its families).

People can like it or leave it when it comes to Madlax' tactics for squeezing them for monthly fees, etc. It seems that more and more families are choosing to leave it.

Ok guy who keeps saying this. Please Please show me with real numbers how much cheaper VLC,Blackwolf and any other club are compared to Madlax. All of Madlaxs fees and costs are on the website. Once again nothing is hidden. But these other clubs never put what you get in total and how much you are going to pay for it. Please Please Please show me with numbers and actives for the other top clubs in the NOVA area. I am going to say Madlax is only $1000 or less for 12 months of lacrosse games tournaments and all compared to these other local clubs. I just read the Cavs site and they are charging $495 for the fall season. and they are playing in 2 tournaments. And I did not see if they are playing in a fall league? Madlax is charging $290 for fall league (Next Level) and the tournaments last year cost us $450 for 3 tournaments. The fall tournament schedule is not on the website yet.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/19/15 07:28 PM

If you think Madlax only costs $1000 per year, I have a bridge to sell you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/15 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you think Madlax only costs $1000 per year, I have a bridge to sell you.

I forgot to say $1000 more. Not total. I know its more then the others teams but no one will ever man up and put down real numbers on cost for the other clubs. Because the totals will be a lot closer and I am betting a lot closer then every one like to just blankly say. So to clear it up I want to say I am betting when everything is all written down Madlax cost will be $1000 more or less then the other local clubs. So come on why is it so hard for a Blackwolf or VLC dad to write down what they pay.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/15 05:28 PM

We left Madlax partly because of the high cost and partly because we felt another club was better for our son's recruiting.

Here are the Madlax costs for a MS kid.

Fall 2014. I don't remember exactly but I think it was $700 for the tournaments.
Spring 2015. $580
Summer 2015. $1500

Annualized Madlax Academy fee. $900

So is $3680 for an entire year (not including winter, which not everyone does)

I'm not going to say where my child plays now, but the cost for this clus is nowhere near $2680, let alone $3680.

I don't think there is any club in this year that costs $2500 to play year round lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/15 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
We left Madlax partly because of the high cost and partly because we felt another club was better for our son's recruiting.

Here are the Madlax costs for a MS kid.

Fall 2014. I don't remember exactly but I think it was $700 for the tournaments.
Spring 2015. $580
Summer 2015. $1500

Annualized Madlax Academy fee. $900

So is $3680 for an entire year (not including winter, which not everyone does)

I'm not going to say where my child plays now, but the cost for this clus is nowhere near $2680, let alone $3680.

I don't think there is any club in this year that costs $2500 to play year round lacrosse.


Thanks for the cost breakdown. What is the cost where you play now and what seasons/tournaments are included? You do not have to name the club, but it would nice to match apples to apples for what you are getting for your money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/15 06:53 PM

3d is about 3600 a year all inclusive. So that's about the same expensive # as Madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/15 07:03 PM

Breakers HS Team was $2,500 last season for two Fall tournaments and five Summer tournaments, practice uniform, game uniform and shooting shirt. Helmet and additional apparel items, ie. sweats, shirts and hats were additional costs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/20/15 10:27 PM

The costs for my son's MS team over the last 12 months were a little over $1,000, not including gear.

Covered 7 tournaments (so 35-40 games), 4 scrimmages, boot camp with visiting coaches and about 40 practices. Saw Madlax play a few times but never played them. We had similar records against common opponents but I thought Madlax looked better.

I'd probably be willing to pay more for more, but my son's improving, most goals are assisted so the goals are spread around, and he's having fun.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/15 12:00 AM

VLC is $1750 for the year
5-6 Sunday fall practices & 2 tourneys
Spring NPYLL league with Saturday practices
3 summer tourneys with 5-6 practices
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/15 12:13 AM

$3500 for a year of lacrosse is insane. Cost for Baltimore Crabs is about the same as VLC.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/15 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
$3500 for a year of lacrosse is insane. Cost for Baltimore Crabs is about the same as VLC.

So if you add in the extra summer tournament Madlax plays four in the Summer and 3 or 4 in the fall. I am correct they cost a little less then 1000$ more then the other teams. So yes no matter how you look at it Madlax is not a crazy amount over the rest. And if you throw in the extra games it's about even. Take the 900 out they pay the coaches with and its the same for sure.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/15 02:00 AM

Your math is wrong. Even if Madlax plays in more tournaments (which is a waste because no kid needs to play in 5-6 team touranments), the cost is still much higher for Madlax, especially when you factor in that ridiculous monthly or quarterly "Academy" fee. Madlax is more than twice the cost of the Baltimore Crabs, and the Crabs is a much better club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/15 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your math is wrong. Even if Madlax plays in more tournaments (which is a waste because no kid needs to play in 5-6 team touranments), the cost is still much higher for Madlax, especially when you factor in that ridiculous monthly or quarterly "Academy" fee. Madlax is more than twice the cost of the Baltimore Crabs, and the Crabs is a much better club.

Crabs you could say are better but much better is up in the air. Also the key word here is Baltimore not NOVA or DC. So you might want to add gas into the price for someone who lives in NOVA. I would also like to see the Crabs prices written down somewhere. I am guessing it cost people more then $1700. I am not saying what the correct amount of tournaments are. But if you are playing in more of anything its going to cost more money. Madlax parents do wish the club cost us less money overall but after reading all the data that just came in Madlax is not that over priced. And most of the time people are willing to pay 30% more because they are so mad about something with the club they left.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/15 12:00 PM

The one thing I will say about Madlax and Crabs is that they seem to have multiple practices per week, particularly in the spring for youth teams. I am not sure that is true for other clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/15 12:34 PM

A bit of a clarifier on 3d; the teams don't practice on weekdays in fall. 3-4 training sessions of 3 hours in fall, then 3 fall events. In winter there is a box league that for 3d kids is a nominal uniform fee only and was about $60 for yet more apparel. The box league is very decent and about a dozen games. Not sure about youth, but the HS teams do 6-8 practices and 5 events. Some events are considered 2 if you go to Uplax for 3 days or Baltimore Kickoff for 2 days. To me it seems like one weekend, but the tournaments charge for each session so it is paying twice. That's all of it. I think juniors include a spring league but not sure. It is on the expensive side for sure. Not a Madlax parent, but in fairness the high price buys a lot of lacrosse if they are practicing multiple times a week, and doing 5-6 events in summer. The events are really expensive. It may be priced fair considering $1750 for a few practices and 2 fall then 3 Summer events also sounds expensive for what it is. My one criticism is no kid needs to be doing 5 or more summer club events, especially in high school. I'd much rather see it curbed to 3 and cost $800-$1000 less. There's also a bit of a moral hazard when the extra events are to stuff more teams into events owned by 3d or Madlax since both organizations also do events.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/15 12:39 PM

Team 91 MD 2020 is $2195 for the year. For that you get:

Once a week fall practices
2-3 fall tournaments
Winter indoor box training (with provided box helmet) and games
2x weekly spring practices
2 spring leagues
2 spring tournaments
2x weekly summer practices
4 summer tournaments
CPX-R helmet
Brine or warrior head
Brine or warrior gloves
Shooting shirt
Uniforms
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/15 01:32 PM

But Madlax gives you the Case thing. Totally justifies paying $3600.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/15 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
VLC is $1750 for the year
5-6 Sunday fall practices & 2 tourneys
Spring NPYLL league with Saturday practices
3 summer tourneys with 5-6 practices

That is a bargain, because VLC wins championships.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/15 08:33 PM

Madlax focuses on winning youth tournament trophies. Crabs, BW, VLC and other clubs focus on getting their kids to college programs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/21/15 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax focuses on winning youth tournament trophies. Crabs, BW, VLC and other clubs focus on getting their kids to college programs.

VLC seemed pretty focused on winning that trophy last spring
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/23/15 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
But Madlax gives you the Case thing. Totally justifies paying $3600.


Where is the blowhard that was challenging everyone to post their costs, because he had some point to make. If your son is getting the most from his program and is benefitting, why do you care what other clubs are doing or other parents are paying.

How about from now on, when you want to bad mouth a program you start by saying where you played D1 lacrosse or how many kids you have coached and mentored to play D1. Then you can criticize all of the other programs and call them crazy. No matter what, all of the NoVa programs are improving and giving kids opportunities to peruse their dreams. No one has cornered the market on how to best do it for every kid.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/23/15 05:08 PM

Different products and many options....madlax and 3D on the high $/ full service side and VLC/BW on the lower cost/less events side. Maybe too many options for club in nova sometimes.....clubs come and go every couple years. Freedom just folded and VLC is one who is benefitting and getting strong again...excellent turnout at tryouts. Hopefully the strong programs will get stronger and we can get some consistency here.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/23/15 07:25 PM

Not sure where the outrage is rooted. At Madlax and 3d you'll play in a lot more events. Events are now $200-$300 per player per day now. So a two day is in the $400-$600 range. If a club is doing 5-6 events in summer instead of 3 and is doing 3 in fall instead of 2, and both include a winter box league that costs a walk up kid $250 for a season -- why exactly is everyone stuck on the elementary school math? Madlax and 3d cost $1000-$1500 more for those reasons.

I get it that clubs like Blackwolf and VLC run less and play less lacrosse. Makes sense to me there is a demand for that if those two have decent instruction and teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But Madlax gives you the Case thing. Totally justifies paying $3600.


Where is the blowhard that was challenging everyone to post their costs, because he had some point to make. If your son is getting the most from his program and is benefitting, why do you care what other clubs are doing or other parents are paying.

How about from now on, when you want to bad mouth a program you start by saying where you played D1 lacrosse or how many kids you have coached and mentored to play D1. Then you can criticize all of the other programs and call them crazy. No matter what, all of the NoVa programs are improving and giving kids opportunities to peruse their dreams. No one has cornered the market on how to best do it for every kid.

I am guessing I am the Blow Hard you are talking about. And I am also guessing that 100s of people will read these last couple of post and be informed about the cost of all the NOVA clubs. So with this information a parent thinking about starting this crazy club/travel thing now has some information to start with. I asked nicely for people to post the cost but it took me calling people names to get them to do the math and write it all down. But can we all agree that Madlax is not overpriced to the extent as the bitter dads on the sidelines like to say. And the crazy thing is would anyone like to talk about the level of play on the Madlax team compared to the 3D teams. And as we see hear the price is pretty much the same. And we can agree that VLC and Blackwolf play less lacrosse for the money you pay. Witch is fine but you can not say how much cheaper something is unless its the same amount of the thing you are comparing. I can get one Coke for $1.25 and you can get a case of Coke for $4.50. Which one is a better deal.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But Madlax gives you the Case thing. Totally justifies paying $3600.


Where is the blowhard that was challenging everyone to post their costs, because he had some point to make. If your son is getting the most from his program and is benefitting, why do you care what other clubs are doing or other parents are paying.

How about from now on, when you want to bad mouth a program you start by saying where you played D1 lacrosse or how many kids you have coached and mentored to play D1. Then you can criticize all of the other programs and call them crazy. No matter what, all of the NoVa programs are improving and giving kids opportunities to peruse their dreams. No one has cornered the market on how to best do it for every kid.

Well sir I played a D1 sport that you can not buy a spot like you can in lacrosse. My sport was only played in the fall and with your high school. I had to compete with the poor hungry kids to play my D1 sport. This lacrosse world is about paying your way into a great player. There is no way a poor kid no matter how skilled they are can compete with the private school kids deep pockets. I want there to be more then one great club in NOVA I think the area can field 3 great AA teams at each age group. But for this to happen there needs to be 3 top teams not 7.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 12:24 PM

The "blowhard" actually makes a couple good points, but sounds more like a HS player who doesn't actually pay for any of this. Madlax is much higher quality than 3D no question. The cost point is valid in that the quality and value is there....however if I just want one coke, it would be wasteful to pay for the whole case and get all these cokes at a value.....especially if I have to travel and pay for hotels and stuff in order to drink them.

The following poster makes a good point too....lax is still at the point where $ buys your way up the ladder. There is little financial incentive to pursue this game and that's where it needs to change in order to get to the level other sports are at....I think it will happen as the sport grows more nationwide. I'm not sure
why kids pursue the lesser clubs but they do....would definitely the legit clubs help if the fly by night start ups would go away and stop trickling talent away.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 01:42 PM

I think travel clubs should (and mine does) comp everything for "scholarship" kids. Quite apart from fees, there's plenty of equipment around and pretty easy to get free hotel rooms when you are booking a block. And I've never had a camp or MLL star decline to let a kid participate for free.

Growing the sport in poorer neighborhoods,however, is a big challenge and clubs should be the leaders in that effort.

It does seem like $ and connections win the ER game. Hopefully programs will still have spots for poorer and less connected/showcased players.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The "blowhard" actually makes a couple good points, but sounds more like a HS player who doesn't actually pay for any of this. Madlax is much higher quality than 3D no question. The cost point is valid in that the quality and value is there....however if I just want one coke, it would be wasteful to pay for the whole case and get all these cokes at a value.....especially if I have to travel and pay for hotels and stuff in order to drink them.

The following poster makes a good point too....lax is still at the point where $ buys your way up the ladder. There is little financial incentive to pursue this game and that's where it needs to change in order to get to the level other sports are at....I think it will happen as the sport grows more nationwide. I'm not sure
why kids pursue the lesser clubs but they do....would definitely the legit clubs help if the fly by night start ups would go away and stop trickling talent away.

Well I am not in high school just a guy who got lucky at work. I am not the most educated person around that is why I liked my son playing Lacrosse its a whole different world compared to a Football locker room. Lacrosse kids make fun of the kid with bad grades and tell him he needs to acted right. Football and Basketball and even Baseball dugouts in high school are not this way.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 01:52 PM

[quote=Anonymous]I think travel clubs should (and mine does) comp everything for "scholarship" kids. Quite apart from fees, there's plenty of equipment around and pretty easy to get free hotel rooms when you are booking a block. And I've never had a camp or MLL star decline to let a kid participate for free.

Growing the sport in poorer neighborhoods,however, is a big challenge and clubs should be the leaders in that effort.

It does seem like $ and connections win the ER game. Hopefully programs will still have spots for poorer and less connected/showcased players.

Once again why would you not name the club if they are doing a good thing and giving poor kids a shot at this great game?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers HS Team was $2,500 last season for two Fall tournaments and five Summer tournaments, practice uniform, game uniform and shooting shirt. Helmet and additional apparel items, ie. sweats, shirts and hats were additional costs.


Maybe that's why everyone left and there were 10 kids total at tryouts for the 2021/2022 teams
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]I think travel clubs should (and mine does) comp everything for "scholarship" kids. Quite apart from fees, there's plenty of equipment around and pretty easy to get free hotel rooms when you are booking a block. And I've never had a camp or MLL star decline to let a kid participate for free.

Growing the sport in poorer neighborhoods,however, is a big challenge and clubs should be the leaders in that effort.

It does seem like $ and connections win the ER game. Hopefully programs will still have spots for poorer and less connected/showcased players.

Once again why would you not name the club if they are doing a good thing and giving poor kids a shot at this great game?


I think his point is that all clubs provide "Scholarships" to players they want that may not be able to afford the high prices. I have boys and girls and all of their clubs do the same.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 05:01 PM

Speaking of tryouts who was at the Madlax Maryland tryouts this weekend and what did the numbers look like?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The "blowhard" actually makes a couple good points, but sounds more like a HS player who doesn't actually pay for any of this. Madlax is much higher quality than 3D no question. The cost point is valid in that the quality and value is there....however if I just want one coke, it would be wasteful to pay for the whole case and get all these cokes at a value.....especially if I have to travel and pay for hotels and stuff in order to drink them.

The following poster makes a good point too....lax is still at the point where $ buys your way up the ladder. There is little financial incentive to pursue this game and that's where it needs to change in order to get to the level other sports are at....I think it will happen as the sport grows more nationwide. I'm not sure
why kids pursue the lesser clubs but they do....would definitely the legit clubs help if the fly by night start ups would go away and stop trickling talent away.


I have to disagree with 3d being a lesser quality club. My son has played for both clubs, and when it comes to quality of coaching, recruiting advocacy, and opportunities to play on a real national team (not a modified version of the capital team), 3d wins hands down. Furthermore, there are opportunities to play with other 3d teams, several of which can easily hang with (if not beat) the best madlax teams. Madlax plays better tournaments and in general has more depth.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 05:05 PM

Well I am not in high school just a guy who got lucky at work. I am not the most educated person around that is why I liked my son playing Lacrosse its a whole different world compared to a Football locker room. Lacrosse kids make fun of the kid with bad grades and tell him he needs to acted right. Football and Basketball and even Baseball dugouts in high school are not this way. [/quote]
You are an idiot
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The "blowhard" actually makes a couple good points, but sounds more like a HS player who doesn't actually pay for any of this. Madlax is much higher quality than 3D no question. The cost point is valid in that the quality and value is there....however if I just want one coke, it would be wasteful to pay for the whole case and get all these cokes at a value.....especially if I have to travel and pay for hotels and stuff in order to drink them.

The following poster makes a good point too....lax is still at the point where $ buys your way up the ladder. There is little financial incentive to pursue this game and that's where it needs to change in order to get to the level other sports are at....I think it will happen as the sport grows more nationwide. I'm not sure
why kids pursue the lesser clubs but they do....would definitely the legit clubs help if the fly by night start ups would go away and stop trickling talent away.


I have to disagree with 3d being a lesser quality club. My son has played for both clubs, and when it comes to quality of coaching, recruiting advocacy, and opportunities to play on a real national team (not a modified version of the capital team), 3d wins hands down. Furthermore, there are opportunities to play with other 3d teams, several of which can easily hang with (if not beat) the best madlax teams. Madlax plays better tournaments and in general has more depth.

Ok this is going to be fun can you point out a time in the last 12 months that a local 3D team has beaten a Madlax Orange team. And can you tell me how many local 3D players have played on the National 3D team? I am sure you have some players but 3D is a distant 4th place in the NOVA rankings.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well I am not in high school just a guy who got lucky at work. I am not the most educated person around that is why I liked my son playing Lacrosse its a whole different world compared to a Football locker room. Lacrosse kids make fun of the kid with bad grades and tell him he needs to acted right. Football and Basketball and even Baseball dugouts in high school are not this way.

You are an idiot [/quote]
Please inform me how this statement makes me a idiot. If its my spelling I can agree. But if you are questioning my opinion about the positive peer pressures that happen on a lacrosse team I do not get how this makes me a idiot?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But Madlax gives you the Case thing. Totally justifies paying $3600.


Where is the blowhard that was challenging everyone to post their costs, because he had some point to make. If your son is getting the most from his program and is benefitting, why do you care what other clubs are doing or other parents are paying.

How about from now on, when you want to bad mouth a program you start by saying where you played D1 lacrosse or how many kids you have coached and mentored to play D1. Then you can criticize all of the other programs and call them crazy. No matter what, all of the NoVa programs are improving and giving kids opportunities to peruse their dreams. No one has cornered the market on how to best do it for every kid.


Why does someone had to have played D1 to have an opinion about youth lacrosse, is the D1 trained mind better that than D2 or D3, what if you went to an NAIA school or played for an MCLA school, what if you never went to college, but played club ball your whole life. What qualities does one have to actually possess to make them an expert on deciding the best way for kids to "peruse their dreams"
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 05:21 PM

Madlax does have some very elite teams, but I agree with the prior poster. 3d is just a different model. Our kid plays for 3d, but only in summer. It is no big deal to just pay $1000 for a few things in summer and not the full freight year round more expensive option. I doubt a lot of clubs would give us that same flexibility. It's a lot less alienating to be with a program that isn't cajoling us to do club lacrosse 7-9 months a year. I feel a little wiser now that I have had one kid go all the way through who is in college now and have younger kids still doing club lacrosse. I won't get in arguments over who has the best teams, but can say 3d runs a good program and you won't be hearing any nightmare stories about kids or families being personally attacked by the club owner or coaches over email or over voice. I read these stories and just cringe. It is not worth having kids in an environment where that happens even if the lacrosse is good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
you won't be hearing any nightmare stories about kids or families being personally attacked by the club owner or coaches over email or over voice. I read these stories and just cringe. It is not worth having kids in an environment where that happens even if the lacrosse is good.


Agreed. Even if the lacrosse is the most superior in the area, there's no reason to compromise one's morals to play for a club that advocates that.

And for the record, there is only one club in question that stoops to that behavior.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well I am not in high school just a guy who got lucky at work. I am not the most educated person around that is why I liked my son playing Lacrosse its a whole different world compared to a Football locker room. Lacrosse kids make fun of the kid with bad grades and tell him he needs to acted right. Football and Basketball and even Baseball dugouts in high school are not this way.

You are an idiot

Please inform me how this statement makes me a idiot. If its my spelling I can agree. But if you are questioning my opinion about the positive peer pressures that happen on a lacrosse team I do not get how this makes me a idiot? [/quote]

The statement makes you an idiot because you think this only happens in a lacrosse locker room.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 05:45 PM

I think a lot of the posters here are just missing the 3d model. How many local kids have played for 3d national at events? Many of them. Many local kids have also been added onto 3d regional teams at local tournaments here. Last summer several kids from other programs, including Madlax, played for 3d Colorado, New England teams at two tournaments. Now if you are counting things, sure those kids are Madlax or Crabs commits. It would be misleading to say that 3d got those kids committed, and unlike some clubs (Sweetlax in particular) 3d doesn't do that. I honestly don't get the attacks. For those of you with long memories, does anyone recall that Paul Rabil played his first Crabs tournament as a HS senior after he'd been recruited to play at Hopkins? Talk about a reach to have his picture on the front page of their website!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think a lot of the posters here are just missing the 3d model. How many local kids have played for 3d national at events? Many of them. Many local kids have also been added onto 3d regional teams at local tournaments here. Last summer several kids from other programs, including Madlax, played for 3d Colorado, New England teams at two tournaments. Now if you are counting things, sure those kids are Madlax or Crabs commits. It would be misleading to say that 3d got those kids committed, and unlike some clubs (Sweetlax in particular) 3d doesn't do that. I honestly don't get the attacks. For those of you with long memories, does anyone recall that Paul Rabil played his first Crabs tournament as a HS senior after he'd been recruited to play at Hopkins? Talk about a reach to have his picture on the front page of their website!

Agreed, the Blue and Yellow still listing commits on their webpage that no longer are crabbie patties.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 06:16 PM

3D has a great nationwide presence but they are just plain awful in northern va. They can't even field a 2020 team and the 2019's and 2021's got smoked almost every week in the HoCo league. I think it's way too much to pay in this area. Madlax is expensive and seems to have too many events, but you get bang for your buck. I hope they leave the area so that the stable teams here will get as strong as the Md teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 06:41 PM

Who's on that page who is no longer a Crab? Even if that's true, all of those guys committed when they were Crabs, so the list is legit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
3D has a great nationwide presence but they are just plain awful in northern va. They can't even field a 2020 team and the 2019's and 2021's got smoked almost every week in the HoCo league. I think it's way too much to pay in this area. Madlax is expensive and seems to have too many events, but you get bang for your buck. I hope they leave the area so that the stable teams here will get as strong as the Md teams.


Thanks for sharing Cabell.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
3D has a great nationwide presence but they are just plain awful in northern va. They can't even field a 2020 team and the 2019's and 2021's got smoked almost every week in the HoCo league. I think it's way too much to pay in this area. Madlax is expensive and seems to have too many events, but you get bang for your buck. I hope they leave the area so that the stable teams here will get as strong as the Md teams.

I agree with this post who wants to get smoked in 80% of your games to wait around to play on a national team 2 times a year?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well I am not in high school just a guy who got lucky at work. I am not the most educated person around that is why I liked my son playing Lacrosse its a whole different world compared to a Football locker room. Lacrosse kids make fun of the kid with bad grades and tell him he needs to acted right. Football and Basketball and even Baseball dugouts in high school are not this way.

You are an idiot

Please inform me how this statement makes me a idiot. If its my spelling I can agree. But if you are questioning my opinion about the positive peer pressures that happen on a lacrosse team I do not get how this makes me a idiot?

So it's not true that lacrosse and the lacrosse world make a big deal about grades. And on avg the D1 recruits do not have a higher GPA? So when I read 40 out of the top 50 colleges offer lacrosse I am wrong to assume lacrosse is a big deal with the best academic schools? I know football players get into schools with 2.0 GPAs. Does this happen a lot with lacrosse?

The statement makes you an idiot because you think this only happens in a lacrosse locker room. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3D has a great nationwide presence but they are just plain awful in northern va. They can't even field a 2020 team and the 2019's and 2021's got smoked almost every week in the HoCo league. I think it's way too much to pay in this area. Madlax is expensive and seems to have too many events, but you get bang for your buck. I hope they leave the area so that the stable teams here will get as strong as the Md teams.


Thanks for sharing Cabell.


Well you just proved of much you do not know about Cabell. He would never admit to anything he does as wrong or not the best way to do something.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well I am not in high school just a guy who got lucky at work. I am not the most educated person around that is why I liked my son playing Lacrosse its a whole different world compared to a Football locker room. Lacrosse kids make fun of the kid with bad grades and tell him he needs to acted right. Football and Basketball and even Baseball dugouts in high school are not this way.

You are an idiot

Please inform me how this statement makes me a idiot. If its my spelling I can agree. But if you are questioning my opinion about the positive peer pressures that happen on a lacrosse team I do not get how this makes me a idiot?

I do not see the word "only happens" in lacrosse locker rooms. Idiot
So it's not true that lacrosse and the lacrosse world make a big deal about grades. And on avg the D1 recruits do not have a higher GPA? So when I read 40 out of the top 50 colleges offer lacrosse I am wrong to assume lacrosse is a big deal with the best academic schools? I know football players get into schools with 2.0 GPAs. Does this happen a lot with lacrosse?

The statement makes you an idiot because you think this only happens in a lacrosse locker room.
[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 08:41 PM

How does he do it? Insulting parents and kids, all kinds or horrors about charging money to credit cards months after a family exits, the negative recruiting and trashing of other clubs. Yet Madlax has grown in size and team quality over the past 2 years. Are lacrosse parents really this morally bankrupt? Just seems incredible to me.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's on that page who is no longer a Crab? Even if that's true, all of those guys committed when they were Crabs, so the list is legit.

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's on that page who is no longer a Crab? Even if that's true, all of those guys committed when they were Crabs, so the list is legit.

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up


For which team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's on that page who is no longer a Crab? Even if that's true, all of those guys committed when they were Crabs, so the list is legit.

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up


For which team?

2018
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well I am not in high school just a guy who got lucky at work. I am not the most educated person around that is why I liked my son playing Lacrosse its a whole different world compared to a Football locker room. Lacrosse kids make fun of the kid with bad grades and tell him he needs to acted right. Football and Basketball and even Baseball dugouts in high school are not this way.

You are an idiot

Please inform me how this statement makes me a idiot. If its my spelling I can agree. But if you are questioning my opinion about the positive peer pressures that happen on a lacrosse team I do not get how this makes me a idiot?

I do not see the word "only happens" in lacrosse locker rooms. Idiot
So it's not true that lacrosse and the lacrosse world make a big deal about grades. And on avg the D1 recruits do not have a higher GPA? So when I read 40 out of the top 50 colleges offer lacrosse I am wrong to assume lacrosse is a big deal with the best academic schools? I know football players get into schools with 2.0 GPAs. Does this happen a lot with lacrosse?

The statement makes you an idiot because you think this only happens in a lacrosse locker room.
[/quote]

I assumed when you used the words "as compared to" that you meant it happened in lacrosse, but not football. I don't know how else I should have interpreted that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/24/15 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3D has a great nationwide presence but they are just plain awful in northern va. They can't even field a 2020 team and the 2019's and 2021's got smoked almost every week in the HoCo league. I think it's way too much to pay in this area. Madlax is expensive and seems to have too many events, but you get bang for your buck. I hope they leave the area so that the stable teams here will get as strong as the Md teams.


Thanks for sharing Cabell.


I'm not Cabell nor a madlax parent...just a dad trying to navigate this precarious club landscape in nova. It's tough here. Madlax is the only decent youth program but god forbid you don't want to do almost $4K a year worth of lax bc until about 8th grade you can be stuck with really crappy options here. 3D is not competitive here. They can't even field a 2020 team. Rec can really suck bc whatever dad is coaching? Guess what....his kid is GONNA play attack or face off whether he can do it or not. Madlax is the only one here that does it well year after year but the downside sucks. Too much $ and too much lacrosse for those who have other kids and want a family life outside of this during the summer. I just wish we had more options here. VLC and BW do great at HS level and are extremely competitive but no youth program. 3D is not competitive. Cavs? Enjoy winning your B level championship over the Lynchburg Lumberjacks every week. Meanwhile just across the river the Md kids have tons of options to choose from. I just wish people would stop chasing these fly by night clubs and yet few strong ones could take hold and offer some real options for AA level nova players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 01:31 PM

That is not true!!!!!!!! Who ever is posting this does not know what they are talking about.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's on that page who is no longer a Crab? Even if that's true, all of those guys committed when they were Crabs, so the list is legit.

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up


For which team?

2018



That is not true!!!!!!!! Who ever is posting this does not know what they are talking about.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's on that page who is no longer a Crab? Even if that's true, all of those guys committed when they were Crabs, so the list is legit.

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up


For which team?

2018



That is not true!!!!!!!! Who ever is posting this does not know what they are talking about.

I think I do
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's on that page who is no longer a Crab? Even if that's true, all of those guys committed when they were Crabs, so the list is legit.

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up


For which team?

2018


Well since I definitely know you are not the kids parents please stick to posting about


That is not true!!!!!!!! Who ever is posting this does not know what they are talking about.

I think I do


No you don't!!!!!! Since I definitely 100% know that you are not the kids parent (because that would be me) please post about your own kid and stop spreading lies.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But Madlax gives you the Case thing. Totally justifies paying $3600.


Where is the blowhard that was challenging everyone to post their costs, because he had some point to make. If your son is getting the most from his program and is benefitting, why do you care what other clubs are doing or other parents are paying.

How about from now on, when you want to bad mouth a program you start by saying where you played D1 lacrosse or how many kids you have coached and mentored to play D1. Then you can criticize all of the other programs and call them crazy. No matter what, all of the NoVa programs are improving and giving kids opportunities to peruse their dreams. No one has cornered the market on how to best do it for every kid.

I am guessing I am the Blow Hard you are talking about. And I am also guessing that 100s of people will read these last couple of post and be informed about the cost of all the NOVA clubs. So with this information a parent thinking about starting this crazy club/travel thing now has some information to start with. I asked nicely for people to post the cost but it took me calling people names to get them to do the math and write it all down. But can we all agree that Madlax is not overpriced to the extent as the bitter dads on the sidelines like to say. And the crazy thing is would anyone like to talk about the level of play on the Madlax team compared to the 3D teams. And as we see hear the price is pretty much the same. And we can agree that VLC and Blackwolf play less lacrosse for the money you pay. Witch is fine but you can not say how much cheaper something is unless its the same amount of the thing you are comparing. I can get one Coke for $1.25 and you can get a case of Coke for $4.50. Which one is a better deal.


Here's what you fail to understand. It would be one thing if paying more money for more tournaments had increasing returns. It doesn't. No kid - youth or HS - needs to play in 5-6 mandatory team tournaments. Not for the reps, not for the recruiting exposure. 2-3 tournaments is plenty of exposure, especially because most of these kids are going to individual recruiting events, etc.

If you like paying more for Madlax, great. If you don't mind having your credit card charged every month, great. There are plenty of good Madlax kids and parents. But people have a right to point out that $3500 a year is a lot to charge families to play lacrosse when there are cheaper alternatives that many find comparable or better.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 03:23 PM

Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up [/quote]

For which team? [/quote]
2018 [/quote]

Well since I definitely know you are not the kids parents please stick to posting about


That is not true!!!!!!!! Who ever is posting this does not know what they are talking about.
[/quote]
I think I do [/quote]

No you don't!!!!!! Since I definitely 100% know that you are not the kids parent (because that would be me) please post about your own kid and stop spreading lies. [/quote]
I think I do, there is more than one goalie and more than one midfielder on the team, like I said one goalie and one middie not coming back
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up



That is not true!!!!!!!! Who ever is posting this does not know what they are talking about.
[/quote]
I think I do [/quote]

No you don't!!!!!! Since I definitely 100% know that you are not the kids parent (because that would be me) please post about your own kid and stop spreading lies. [/quote]
I think I do, there is more than one goalie and more than one midfielder on the team, like I said one goalie and one middie not coming back [/quote]

You are a moron!!!! You wrote the following "the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow" and that is totally and completely false statement. Quit spreading lies and talk about your own kid not others.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But Madlax gives you the Case thing. Totally justifies paying $3600.


Where is the blowhard that was challenging everyone to post their costs, because he had some point to make. If your son is getting the most from his program and is benefitting, why do you care what other clubs are doing or other parents are paying.

How about from now on, when you want to bad mouth a program you start by saying where you played D1 lacrosse or how many kids you have coached and mentored to play D1. Then you can criticize all of the other programs and call them crazy. No matter what, all of the NoVa programs are improving and giving kids opportunities to peruse their dreams. No one has cornered the market on how to best do it for every kid.

I am guessing I am the Blow Hard you are talking about. And I am also guessing that 100s of people will read these last couple of post and be informed about the cost of all the NOVA clubs. So with this information a parent thinking about starting this crazy club/travel thing now has some information to start with. I asked nicely for people to post the cost but it took me calling people names to get them to do the math and write it all down. But can we all agree that Madlax is not overpriced to the extent as the bitter dads on the sidelines like to say. And the crazy thing is would anyone like to talk about the level of play on the Madlax team compared to the 3D teams. And as we see hear the price is pretty much the same. And we can agree that VLC and Blackwolf play less lacrosse for the money you pay. Witch is fine but you can not say how much cheaper something is unless its the same amount of the thing you are comparing. I can get one Coke for $1.25 and you can get a case of Coke for $4.50. Which one is a better deal.


Here's what you fail to understand. It would be one thing if paying more money for more tournaments had increasing returns. It doesn't. No kid - youth or HS - needs to play in 5-6 mandatory team tournaments. Not for the reps, not for the recruiting exposure. 2-3 tournaments is plenty of exposure, especially because most of these kids are going to individual recruiting events, etc.

If you like paying more for Madlax, great. If you don't mind having your credit card charged every month, great. There are plenty of good Madlax kids and parents. But people have a right to point out that $3500 a year is a lot to charge families to play lacrosse when there are cheaper alternatives that many find comparable or better.

Not arguing with 90% of this but Madlax does 4 summer tournaments and you only do 5 if you are on the National team. The 6th one could count if you do the Madlax Showcase camp. But lots of Madlax kids do not do they do other showcases.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 04:25 PM

First of all, I am not the prior poster who said anything about a 2018 team I have no idea about. Frankly, my original point was there are lacrosse clubs who will literally have a kid guest play for a tournament or two, then add those guys to the club commit lists. Sweetlax does a lot of that. Sure they develop some players, but their lists have been pretty brazen to list out kids who barely got on a first name basis with other kids on a team one summer. Crabs has been notorious for this too, getting rising HS juniors or seniors to go to Lake Placid. They make calls to committed kids they want to roster at that tournament and some others, and then poof a Crab is born. I wrote 3d has the same passers through but doesn't advertise like that. Paul Rabil was not raised up a Crab...he was a dialed up ringer for the Lake Placid event long after he was a Hopkins recruit. How this became a who is a Crab commit in the kiddie pool I have no idea, and don't care. This bantor is misplaced. The quality of a youth lacrosse club is not a hit count of committed kids. That has very little to do with anyone's personal needs and should not be a focus of parents. Lacrosse should be challenging and fun. Sounds like the programs bashing each other here are lost on that concept.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Goalie and a middie, the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow, wire it for a year and moved on up



That is not true!!!!!!!! Who ever is posting this does not know what they are talking about.

I think I do [/quote]

No you don't!!!!!! Since I definitely 100% know that you are not the kids parent (because that would be me) please post about your own kid and stop spreading lies. [/quote]
I think I do, there is more than one goalie and more than one midfielder on the team, like I said one goalie and one middie not coming back [/quote]

You are a moron!!!! You wrote the following "the middie committed before he ever donned the blue and Yellow" and that is totally and completely false statement. Quit spreading lies and talk about your own kid not others. [/quote]
I think he did
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 05:54 PM

Can I get a update from this weekends Maryland Tryouts please?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
First of all, I am not the prior poster who said anything about a 2018 team I have no idea about. Frankly, my original point was there are lacrosse clubs who will literally have a kid guest play for a tournament or two, then add those guys to the club commit lists. Sweetlax does a lot of that. Sure they develop some players, but their lists have been pretty brazen to list out kids who barely got on a first name basis with other kids on a team one summer. Crabs has been notorious for this too, getting rising HS juniors or seniors to go to Lake Placid. They make calls to committed kids they want to roster at that tournament and some others, and then poof a Crab is born. I wrote 3d has the same passers through but doesn't advertise like that. Paul Rabil was not raised up a Crab...he was a dialed up ringer for the Lake Placid event long after he was a Hopkins recruit. How this became a who is a Crab commit in the kiddie pool I have no idea, and don't care. This bantor is misplaced. The quality of a youth lacrosse club is not a hit count of committed kids. That has very little to do with anyone's personal needs and should not be a focus of parents. Lacrosse should be challenging and fun. Sounds like the programs bashing each other here are lost on that concept.



All the college commits on the Crabs website are kids who are on their teams. They do tournaments like Lake Placid where they have a combo team with VLC and a sprinkling of other kids, but they do not put those kids on their college commit list. Please.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 06:26 PM

Please? Baloney. Explain Paul Rabil then. The Lake Placid team is an assemblage that has included players from all over. Rob Emery, who had never been to Baltimore, played for Crabs in Lake Placid and broke his thumb on a team my oldest was on. The Lake Placid event has always been a platform to add Crabs references. What screwed up "claiming" someone like Emery is that kid was young for his class and was already at UVA. To point to Rabil as a Crab is a fraud. Point to tournaments he played as a U-15, U-13 or just stop with the indignation. Crabs has been doing this for many years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 06:40 PM

Name one person on the Crabs college commit list who was never a member of the Crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 07:05 PM

Not playing lawyer with you pal. I just did. Paul Rabil, wasn't a Crab at all. I see what you did there, don't answer the question but turn the nozzle to see if I'm a cad and would call out minors on your 2018 teams or whatever. The point is maybe every kid wore a Crab jersey once, but Crabs have been pretty brazen in years past to bloat the list with kids who were not Crab youths, period. Let's all pretend Paul Rabil as a crab isn't a fraud? Answer that one Ryan.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 08:00 PM

Instead of relying on me, look it up. Paul Rabil's exact words: I NEVER PLAYED CLUB LACROSSE. And he clarified that two clubs, including Crabs, smile and dialed him to play on a U-19 team one summer. Google lax all stars webpage. Now answer my question: why was Paul Rabil's photo in a Crabs uniform on the Crabs website for years as eye candy, and why does the club trot him through the Crabs Prospect Camp (paid role of course) as the Crab legend to talk to the kids?

But wait, you want me to name little kids for you to go check and come back with some yarn on? Nice try, but face it instead of deflections with urgings to look off topic. The most famous Crab of all is a myth and a fraudulent representation.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 08:18 PM

If you say Paul Rabil was never a Crab, I believe you. But I think you said that there were kids on their homepage listed as D1 commits who've never played for the Crabs. If you are going to make that assertion, please provide proof.

Doesn't Madlax have Paul Rabil come to their camp every year?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not arguing with 90% of this but Madlax does 4 summer tournaments and you only do 5 if you are on the National team. The 6th one could count if you do the Madlax Showcase camp. But lots of Madlax kids do not do they do other showcases.


Both Madlax 2017 teams had to pay for 5 tournaments. Both Madlax 2018 teams had to pay for 5 tournaments. One of the Madlax 2019 teams had to pay for 5 tournaments.

Those are 5 Madlax teams that had to pay for 5, and some/most of those kids also had to pay for a 6th tournament with their "national" team. That is ridiculous considering those kids have to pay/play for other individual recruiting events.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 08:58 PM

Why is that ridiculous if that is what they want to do? The kids that have not been committed still need playing opportunities and additional exposure. I am sure that most of the parents from Fairfax, Loudoun, Montgomery and DC can afford it if they so choose. Non-Madlax Parent!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you say Paul Rabil was never a Crab, I believe you. But I think you said that there were kids on their homepage listed as D1 commits who've never played for the Crabs. If you are going to make that assertion, please provide proof.

Doesn't Madlax have Paul Rabil come to their camp every year?


Losing arguments from a loser. I wrote crabs has been notorious for years to have kids guest play at one or two events, and then poster them up as crabs who are on their college lists. I didn't write that kids never played, only the projection is silly for kids who did 1-2 events. The ultimate hypocrisy is Rabil, and it seems that finally got through to you because it is a fact. Sure Rabil goes and does clinics here and there, but I missed the part where Madlax introduced him at an event as a Madlax player alum. Crabs does exactly that and it is a hysterical fraud. Ryan's best hopes are people don't have a long memory to call it out. This is the part where you accept that for what it is and I stop responding to this idiocy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]If you say Paul Rabil was never a Crab, I believe you. But I think you said that there were kids on their homepage listed as D1 commits who've never played for the Crabs. If you are going to make that assertion, please provide proof.

Doesn't Madlax have Paul Rabil come to their camp every year?


Losing arguments from a loser. I wrote crabs has been notorious for years to have kids guest play at one or two events, and then poster them up as crabs who are on their college lists. I didn't write that kids never played, only the projection is silly for kids who did 1-2 events. The ultimate hypocrisy is Rabil, and it seems that finally got through to you because it is a fact. Sure Rabil goes and does clinics here and there, but I missed the part where Madlax introduced him at an event as a Madlax player alum. Crabs does exactly that and it is a hysterical fraud. Ryan's best hopes are people don't have a long memory to call it out. This is the part where you accept that for what it is and I stop responding to this idiocy.

Only thing hysterical is your rant. Pick up your soiled panties and go away.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 09:16 PM

Is your position so weak you have to resort to namecalling?

If you say Rabil never played for the Crabs, I believe you. But you say there are other kids who have guest played (e.g. played only once or twice for the Crabs) and then are listed as D1 commits as a Crab.

That's fine. Can you please list of few of them so that it's clear for the record?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is that ridiculous if that is what they want to do? The kids that have not been committed still need playing opportunities and additional exposure. I am sure that most of the parents from Fairfax, Loudoun, Montgomery and DC can afford it if they so choose. Non-Madlax Parent!


If that works for you, go to town. But you are throwing money down the toilet. The owner of that club is playing into your fears and you are having over money for no reason. The only thing that happens is your son is more fatigued and plays worse in the next event.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is that ridiculous if that is what they want to do? The kids that have not been committed still need playing opportunities and additional exposure. I am sure that most of the parents from Fairfax, Loudoun, Montgomery and DC can afford it if they so choose. Non-Madlax Parent!


If that works for you, go to town. But you are throwing money down the toilet. The owner of that club is playing into your fears and you are having over money for no reason. The only thing that happens is your son is more fatigued and plays worse in the next event.


When we left ML the owner told me there was no way my son would be recruited. I told him I wasn't worried about that, as I wasn't really enthused about committing to get maybe a 25% discount at best. But I also told him that if my son was good enough to play in college it would probably happen.

Two months later my son was fielding multiple calls, after teams saw him at both an individual showcase event and at a tournament where he played with his high school team. Everybody has to do what is best for them; in our case, leaving Madlax was the catalyst for more recruiting than he ever received while with the club. Now, he is happily committed to a great school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not arguing with 90% of this but Madlax does 4 summer tournaments and you only do 5 if you are on the National team. The 6th one could count if you do the Madlax Showcase camp. But lots of Madlax kids do not do they do other showcases.


Both Madlax 2017 teams had to pay for 5 tournaments. Both Madlax 2018 teams had to pay for 5 tournaments. One of the Madlax 2019 teams had to pay for 5 tournaments.

Those are 5 Madlax teams that had to pay for 5, and some/most of those kids also had to pay for a 6th tournament with their "national" team. That is ridiculous considering those kids have to pay/play for other individual recruiting events.


Not many kids played in all tournaments. Every team that you named was competitive in every tournament even though its roster varied slightly weekly due to absences. Every team won their fair share. Every kid got ample playing time.

Madlax is far and away the best club in NoVA, and gets invited to the top tournaments, something no other club in NoVa can say. Did another NoVa team win a tournament this summer?

Did anyone mention that Madlax has for 3 years running had the first or one of the first commits in 2017, 2018 and 2019? Top schools follow top prospects to the top tournaments.

If I have to pay more for that training and exposure, so be it. I charge top of the market rates for my services too. I'm worth it, so is Madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you say Paul Rabil was never a Crab, I believe you. But I think you said that there were kids on their homepage listed as D1 commits who've never played for the Crabs. If you are going to make that assertion, please provide proof.

Doesn't Madlax have Paul Rabil come to their camp every year?


Losing arguments from a loser. I wrote crabs has been notorious for years to have kids guest play at one or two events, and then poster them up as crabs who are on their college lists. I didn't write that kids never played, only the projection is silly for kids who did 1-2 events. The ultimate hypocrisy is Rabil, and it seems that finally got through to you because it is a fact. Sure Rabil goes and does clinics here and there, but I missed the part where Madlax introduced him at an event as a Madlax player alum. Crabs does exactly that and it is a hysterical fraud. Ryan's best hopes are people don't have a long memory to call it out. This is the part where you accept that for what it is and I stop responding to this idiocy.


“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/25/15 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is that ridiculous if that is what they want to do? The kids that have not been committed still need playing opportunities and additional exposure. I am sure that most of the parents from Fairfax, Loudoun, Montgomery and DC can afford it if they so choose. Non-Madlax Parent!


If that works for you, go to town. But you are throwing money down the toilet. The owner of that club is playing into your fears and you are having over money for no reason. The only thing that happens is your son is more fatigued and plays worse in the next event.


When we left ML the owner told me there was no way my son would be recruited. I told him I wasn't worried about that, as I wasn't really enthused about committing to get maybe a 25% discount at best. But I also told him that if my son was good enough to play in college it would probably happen.

Two months later my son was fielding multiple calls, after teams saw him at both an individual showcase event and at a tournament where he played with his high school team. Everybody has to do what is best for them; in our case, leaving Madlax was the catalyst for more recruiting than he ever received while with the club. Now, he is happily committed to a great school.


How do your son's uncommitted ML friends at other local private schools feel about you continually posting on here? I assume if you thought it was okay that you would sign your posts. We know who you are...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/26/15 01:54 AM

Good grief....1-800-GET-LIFE
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/26/15 05:41 PM

So no one who reads this can give me a update about the Maryland tryouts. Really no one can say they went well. Or there where lots of kids or not a lot of kids. Something anyone?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/26/15 07:12 PM

The point this guy makes is s good one. You don't need club lacrosse to get recruited. And I don't care who he is he's allowed to share information on this site And I don't see how it negatively affects any uncommitted kids. You're the one who made it weird by getting personal.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/26/15 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The point this guy makes is s good one. You don't need club lacrosse to get recruited. And I don't care who he is he's allowed to share information on this site And I don't see how it negatively affects any uncommitted kids. You're the one who made it weird by getting personal.

I agree you do not always need club ball to get seen. But if you are a public school kid on a bad 5 A school. I would say you need club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/26/15 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So no one who reads this can give me a update about the Maryland tryouts. Really no one can say they went well. Or there where lots of kids or not a lot of kids. Something anyone?


The turnout was pretty bad. It was a low turnout and the quality wasn't very good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/27/15 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is that ridiculous if that is what they want to do? The kids that have not been committed still need playing opportunities and additional exposure. I am sure that most of the parents from Fairfax, Loudoun, Montgomery and DC can afford it if they so choose. Non-Madlax Parent!


If that works for you, go to town. But you are throwing money down the toilet. The owner of that club is playing into your fears and you are having over money for no reason. The only thing that happens is your son is more fatigued and plays worse in the next event.


When we left ML the owner told me there was no way my son would be recruited. I told him I wasn't worried about that, as I wasn't really enthused about committing to get maybe a 25% discount at best. But I also told him that if my son was good enough to play in college it would probably happen.

Two months later my son was fielding multiple calls, after teams saw him at both an individual showcase event and at a tournament where he played with his high school team. Everybody has to do what is best for them; in our case, leaving Madlax was the catalyst for more recruiting than he ever received while with the club. Now, he is happily committed to a great school.


How do your son's uncommitted ML friends at other local private schools feel about you continually posting on here? I assume if you thought it was okay that you would sign your posts. We know who you are...


If youre trying to say the uncommitted madlax kids feel bad about the what an ex-madlax dad is posting on this site -- that is a laugh! Kids don't even look at this forum. how about how madlax likes to post/tweet pictures of the favorite madlax commits with the name of the school they committed to in parenthesis like its part of their name. THat makes the uncommitted kids feel like crap. I know because my kid is one! Do you know who I am......???
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/27/15 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is that ridiculous if that is what they want to do? The kids that have not been committed still need playing opportunities and additional exposure. I am sure that most of the parents from Fairfax, Loudoun, Montgomery and DC can afford it if they so choose. Non-Madlax Parent!


If that works for you, go to town. But you are throwing money down the toilet. The owner of that club is playing into your fears and you are having over money for no reason. The only thing that happens is your son is more fatigued and plays worse in the next event.


When we left ML the owner told me there was no way my son would be recruited. I told him I wasn't worried about that, as I wasn't really enthused about committing to get maybe a 25% discount at best. But I also told him that if my son was good enough to play in college it would probably happen.

Two months later my son was fielding multiple calls, after teams saw him at both an individual showcase event and at a tournament where he played with his high school team. Everybody has to do what is best for them; in our case, leaving Madlax was the catalyst for more recruiting than he ever received while with the club. Now, he is happily committed to a great school.


How do your son's uncommitted ML friends at other local private schools feel about you continually posting on here? I assume if you thought it was okay that you would sign your posts. We know who you are...


If youre trying to say the uncommitted madlax kids feel bad about the what an ex-madlax dad is posting on this site -- that is a laugh! Kids don't even look at this forum. how about how madlax likes to post/tweet pictures of the favorite madlax commits with the name of the school they committed to in parenthesis like its part of their name. THat makes the uncommitted kids feel like crap. I know because my kid is one! Do you know who I am......???

So you are saying the kids who have not yet committed are having there feelings hurt when Madlax posts on Twitter when a kid does sign or verbals. Shouldnt they be happy there friends just signed to play college ball.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/27/15 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is that ridiculous if that is what they want to do? The kids that have not been committed still need playing opportunities and additional exposure. I am sure that most of the parents from Fairfax, Loudoun, Montgomery and DC can afford it if they so choose. Non-Madlax Parent!


If that works for you, go to town. But you are throwing money down the toilet. The owner of that club is playing into your fears and you are having over money for no reason. The only thing that happens is your son is more fatigued and plays worse in the next event.


When we left ML the owner told me there was no way my son would be recruited. I told him I wasn't worried about that, as I wasn't really enthused about committing to get maybe a 25% discount at best. But I also told him that if my son was good enough to play in college it would probably happen.

Two months later my son was fielding multiple calls, after teams saw him at both an individual showcase event and at a tournament where he played with his high school team. Everybody has to do what is best for them; in our case, leaving Madlax was the catalyst for more recruiting than he ever received while with the club. Now, he is happily committed to a great school.


How do your son's uncommitted ML friends at other local private schools feel about you continually posting on here? I assume if you thought it was okay that you would sign your posts. We know who you are...


If youre trying to say the uncommitted madlax kids feel bad about the what an ex-madlax dad is posting on this site -- that is a laugh! Kids don't even look at this forum. how about how madlax likes to post/tweet pictures of the favorite madlax commits with the name of the school they committed to in parenthesis like its part of their name. THat makes the uncommitted kids feel like crap. I know because my kid is one! Do you know who I am......???

So you are saying the kids who have not yet committed are having there feelings hurt when Madlax posts on Twitter when a kid does sign or verbals. Shouldnt they be happy there friends just signed to play college ball.



Of course those kids and families are happy for the poster and his kid. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

Keep in mind this is the same guy who keeps posting the same denigrating stuff about other clubs and kids in order to make himself feel better about paying Madlax. It's fine if he thinks Madlax is best for his son, but it's embarrassing that he keeps attacking other people/clubs at the same time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/27/15 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So no one who reads this can give me a update about the Maryland tryouts. Really no one can say they went well. Or there where lots of kids or not a lot of kids. Something anyone?


The turnout was pretty bad. It was a low turnout and the quality wasn't very good.


I wonder how the turnout will be for the VA tryouts this weekend.

How was Madlax's 2020 team last year?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/27/15 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is your position so weak you have to resort to namecalling?

If you say Rabil never played for the Crabs, I believe you. But you say there are other kids who have guest played (e.g. played only once or twice for the Crabs) and then are listed as D1 commits as a Crab.

That's fine. Can you please list of few of them so that it's clear for the record?


Paul Rabil played in two tournaments as a club player - that's it. "I played in more Summer and Fall tournaments with DeMatha High School, than I ever did with said club programs. I played in one Vail Lacrosse Shootout with the Baltimore Crabs, and one Champ Camp with Team Crossroads. We lost both."
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/27/15 03:31 PM

I always assume it's Cabell Maddux posting when it gets creepy, i.e. "we know who you are..."
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/27/15 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So no one who reads this can give me a update about the Maryland tryouts. Really no one can say they went well. Or there where lots of kids or not a lot of kids. Something anyone?


The turnout was pretty bad. It was a low turnout and the quality wasn't very good.


I wonder how the turnout will be for the VA tryouts this weekend.

How was Madlax's 2020 team last year?


Their 2020 team was just ok. Had a couple buddies whose kids attended the VLC 2020 tryout last weekend and said they had 70 kids on the field.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/28/15 12:28 AM

Are there now 3 madlax teams? Va, Md, DC?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/28/15 12:30 AM

One reason may be the sudden collapse of Great Falls-based FreedomLax; they fielded two teams at U15 and U15 over the spring and summer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/28/15 12:56 AM

Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/28/15 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are there now 3 madlax teams? Va, Md, DC?


I think that's what they're trying for, but we will see if they can do it or not....last year madlax was really only able to field one team per year group for summer below 2019. Three might be a stretch.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/28/15 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are there now 3 madlax teams? Va, Md, DC?


I think that's what they're trying for, but we will see if they can do it or not....last year madlax was really only able to field one team per year group for summer below 2019. Three might be a stretch.

I think this is correct and not correct at the same time. If you take the U11,U13 and U15 model that is two ages per group. They had a orange and blue team at each age group with this old model. So when they went to all grad year they still had 6 teams like before but really 7, 2019 had a blue team. I do think they will be backing out of the 3 team model for all grades. I am guessing they will have MD kids play for the VA team if that age group is really weak in MD. And as long as they have one team in MD or VA and the top team Capital they will still be the same size. I do not think they will look at it as a failure if they are able to make 1 or two teams extra.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/28/15 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.

Don't Cavs and VLC play in same Division in NYPLL league.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/28/15 02:06 PM

That's sort of true. 2019 is one of the only competitive Cavs teams and played in the NPYLL lower division yes...they had a tough time there for the most part. Cavs generally play in the Great Falls league (VA) vs the Charlottesville Bolts and others. The tourneys they normally do are the Battle of Bull Run and Shore Wars which are on the level of the Great Falls League. Cavs are a well run organization and are a good supplement to rec, but not competitive for preparing to play and succeed at the college level like madlax, VLC, and BW. They like to win tournaments vice playing against higher level competition.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/28/15 04:01 PM

What grade do most little kids start playing lax in NoVa?

In my non-hotbed, kids from my neighborhood often start in kindegarten or even age 5. My son and daughter started in 1st.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/28/15 04:57 PM

In NoVa I'd guess rec starting at U-9, so an 8 year old? My son tried it for first time as a nine year old for the town rec league. In Baltimore they likely start them at 9 too, only they're rising kindergarden at age 9. Hope that helps.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/28/15 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.

Don't Cavs and VLC play in same Division in NYPLL league.

VLC has way better high school teams with a history of being good. and being part of the Crabs does not hurt either.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/29/15 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's sort of true. 2019 is one of the only competitive Cavs teams and played in the NPYLL lower division yes...they had a tough time there for the most part. Cavs generally play in the Great Falls league (VA) vs the Charlottesville Bolts and others. The tourneys they normally do are the Battle of Bull Run and Shore Wars which are on the level of the Great Falls League. Cavs are a well run organization and are a good supplement to rec, but not competitive for preparing to play and succeed at the college level like madlax, VLC, and BW. They like to win tournaments vice playing against higher level competition.

So as far as 2019's go, the Cavs and VLC have the same objective
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/29/15 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.

Don't Cavs and VLC play in same Division in NYPLL league.

VLC has way better high school teams with a history of being good. and being part of the Crabs does not hurt either.


How does that help them
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/30/15 01:43 AM

Only about 40 kids at the Virginia madlax tryouts?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/30/15 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.

Don't Cavs and VLC play in same Division in NYPLL league.

VLC has way better high school teams with a history of being good. and being part of the Crabs does not hurt either.


How does that help them

I should have phrased this question better, how has being a part of BLC helped VLC, does VLC have bigger numbers since merger, is there financial support from BLC. Do these mergers help or does thge owner of smaller club just get a payday for his email database. I would assume since Rob is still involved that the BLC-VLC merger was not simply a handshake and a check in the mail. I really am curious as to what the difference before BLC and post BLC
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/30/15 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.

Don't Cavs and VLC play in same Division in NYPLL league.

VLC has way better high school teams with a history of being good. and being part of the Crabs does not hurt either.


How does that help them

I should have phrased this question better, how has being a part of BLC helped VLC, does VLC have bigger numbers since merger, is there financial support from BLC. Do these mergers help or does thge owner of smaller club just get a payday for his email database. I would assume since Rob is still involved that the BLC-VLC merger was not simply a handshake and a check in the mail. I really am curious as to what the difference before BLC and post BLC

I was just referring to the chance for the top VLC players to play with the top Crabs teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/30/15 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Only about 40 kids at the Virginia madlax tryouts?

Why is every statement so vague what team had 40 kids at it ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/30/15 02:29 PM

Sorry....2020 Virginia. Is the madlax capital roster already filled up?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/30/15 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sorry....2020 Virginia. Is the madlax capital roster already filled up?

No they take the best players new or old
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/30/15 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.

Don't Cavs and VLC play in same Division in NYPLL league.

VLC has way better high school teams with a history of being good. and being part of the Crabs does not hurt either.


How does that help them

I should have phrased this question better, how has being a part of BLC helped VLC, does VLC have bigger numbers since merger, is there financial support from BLC. Do these mergers help or does thge owner of smaller club just get a payday for his email database. I would assume since Rob is still involved that the BLC-VLC merger was not simply a handshake and a check in the mail. I really am curious as to what the difference before BLC and post BLC


BLC pre-Crabs was very different. post BLC, the VLC has weakened at the youth level. Let's not waste any time with this: if VLC continued as-is with the founder / prior owner, they'd have wiped out Madlax. The parents, particularly the youth age parents, experienced quite a shock when King Crab the Overlord showed up. After a year of never getting a question answered or an email returned, I could see the only two times a VLC parent will hear from McClernan is when he's asking for money or berating people for having a question. Once a youth team had a game at Cedar Park. The part McClernan didn't communicate on the website was WHICH Cedar Park. Parents drove to the wrong part of Maryland and needed to race over to make a game with no warm up. At least one mom was threatened her kid would be kicked out and he'd send a refund after she emailed him to suggest improving the way things get communicated. VLC's youth teams have gone backwards and a good many Fairfax County parents and families like ours just don't see the way Ryan McClernan does business to be a good thing for us or our families. This is how BW survived after being down. This is how Madlax was able to recover and get a stranglehold on the top youth players in NOVA. Freedom did fail and fold, but remember why it started to begin with. A large volume of parents, some VLC coaches and kids just got fed up and left. If your son is not one of 3-4 players in a grade VLC is interested in selling to colleges, it's a bad fit for anyone. Who needs a fat slob berating us. I am a 50 year old man with a doctorate, not a puppet. I didn't let McClernand treat our family like garbage, or should anyone else. There is plenty of alternatives for kids who want to play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lots of Cavs there too who are tired of playing in the B tourneys....nice showing at VLC.

Don't Cavs and VLC play in same Division in NYPLL league.

VLC has way better high school teams with a history of being good. and being part of the Crabs does not hurt either.


How does that help them

I should have phrased this question better, how has being a part of BLC helped VLC, does VLC have bigger numbers since merger, is there financial support from BLC. Do these mergers help or does thge owner of smaller club just get a payday for his email database. I would assume since Rob is still involved that the BLC-VLC merger was not simply a handshake and a check in the mail. I really am curious as to what the difference before BLC and post BLC


BLC pre-Crabs was very different. post BLC, the VLC has weakened at the youth level. Let's not waste any time with this: if VLC continued as-is with the founder / prior owner, they'd have wiped out Madlax. The parents, particularly the youth age parents, experienced quite a shock when King Crab the Overlord showed up. After a year of never getting a question answered or an email returned, I could see the only two times a VLC parent will hear from McClernan is when he's asking for money or berating people for having a question. Once a youth team had a game at Cedar Park. The part McClernan didn't communicate on the website was WHICH Cedar Park. Parents drove to the wrong part of Maryland and needed to race over to make a game with no warm up. At least one mom was threatened her kid would be kicked out and he'd send a refund after she emailed him to suggest improving the way things get communicated. VLC's youth teams have gone backwards and a good many Fairfax County parents and families like ours just don't see the way Ryan McClernan does business to be a good thing for us or our families. This is how BW survived after being down. This is how Madlax was able to recover and get a stranglehold on the top youth players in NOVA. Freedom did fail and fold, but remember why it started to begin with. A large volume of parents, some VLC coaches and kids just got fed up and left. If your son is not one of 3-4 players in a grade VLC is interested in selling to colleges, it's a bad fit for anyone. Who needs a fat slob berating us. I am a 50 year old man with a doctorate, not a puppet. I didn't let McClernand treat our family like garbage, or should anyone else. There is plenty of alternatives for kids who want to play.

So what you are saying is go play for Madlax. But I think I just read VLC had 100 kids at tryouts for 2020
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 11:56 AM

There are kids trying out for 3-4 teams this month. Kind of sad that the myopia and stress reached this level to have families all over the place to ensure a kid can play. Most of the kids you counted at VLC's tryouts were are other club tryouts as well. Not sure what your point means. Ryan McClernan doesn't run a good ship and it shows.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are kids trying out for 3-4 teams this month. Kind of sad that the myopia and stress reached this level to have families all over the place to ensure a kid can play. Most of the kids you counted at VLC's tryouts were are other club tryouts as well. Not sure what your point means. Ryan McClernan doesn't run a good ship and it shows.

I am a Madlax Dad so I do not mind the bashing of another club for once not named Madlax. But I also think there has to be a number 2 or number 3 club in the area so over all I am hoping for a strong VLC team. There is way more then 20 kids who can play D1 in this area and there needs to be 3 strong clubs for the D1 kids to play for.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are kids trying out for 3-4 teams this month. Kind of sad that the myopia and stress reached this level to have families all over the place to ensure a kid can play. Most of the kids you counted at VLC's tryouts were are other club tryouts as well. Not sure what your point means. Ryan McClernan doesn't run a good ship and it shows.

Well I think its a great thing kids are going to 3 and 4 tryouts a year. This will let the kids and parents know what is out there and hopefully push the cream to the top. What hurts this area is the top is not a clear top. Up north the best programs are a clear top program. We can not even pick the top 3 here.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are kids trying out for 3-4 teams this month. Kind of sad that the myopia and stress reached this level to have families all over the place to ensure a kid can play. Most of the kids you counted at VLC's tryouts were are other club tryouts as well. Not sure what your point means. Ryan McClernan doesn't run a good ship and it shows.

I am a Madlax Dad so I do not mind the bashing of another club for once not named Madlax. But I also think there has to be a number 2 or number 3 club in the area so over all I am hoping for a strong VLC team. There is way more then 20 kids who can play D1 in this area and there needs to be 3 strong clubs for the D1 kids to play for.


There are three strong clubs: Blackwolf, Madlax and VLC. For HS, both Blackwolf and VLC have had superior HS teams. If you are talking about club serving D1 recruits in this area, both Blackwolf and VLC have had more D1 recruits than Madlax. In the youth, Madlax has had the numbers, although Blackwolf is now doing youth teams.

You can't just look at your son's particular grade. Those three clubs are all fielding good to strong teams at every level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 01:45 PM

The Crabs are not much of an influence at VLC at all. The advantage VLC gets with the Crab relationship is that they can bring top VLC talent to the Crabs at the lower age groups where VLC is not as strong. The 2020 attack who led the Crabs in scoring out at Denver was a VLC kid. Instead of him having to leave to find a better more suitable program, VLC was able to retain a great player by getting him into an acceptable situation until a solid 2020 was built up at VLC. They do this at the higher levels as well and can assemble more elite teams with a broader talent base. It is a good system and very well run at the HS level. VLC is not on par with madlax at the youth level, but freedom lax folding up could be a game changer. Low turnouts for madlax does not bode well for the new 3 teams per year group model with blackwolf entering the youth market. I personally don't think there are enough that will pay that much in the nova area for youth lax when rec is dirt cheap and pretty good quality at the A team level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 02:17 PM

Anyone know what kind of turnout madlax Virginia got yesterday?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 02:32 PM

Actually MADLAX had a pretty good turnout if you think about it in these terms. The MD kids went to the MD tryouts so that filtered quite a few kids out of the VA. Plus the tryouts were grade-based instead of Uxx for the youth teams. Basically the same number of kids were at the 2020 tryout as attended the U13 tryout for both MD and VA last year. Not bad for changing the program so that Orange is perceived as super-team 'Capital'.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 02:44 PM

It's just a money grab. Instead of allowing the top kids to be locks for his Orange team, he is making eveyrone try out which means more tryout fees, even though those kids were on the team before they set foot on the field.

And instead of one B team, he is splitting the Blue kids into two teams, making them even weaker. The kids who stay in the program but don't make the Orange team are the ones who will suffer.

Don't know about the VA tryouts but we were there at the MD ones and the turnout was pretty bad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's just a money grab. Instead of allowing the top kids to be locks for his Orange team, he is making eveyrone try out which means more tryout fees, even though those kids were on the team before they set foot on the field.

And instead of one B team, he is splitting the Blue kids into two teams, making them even weaker. The kids who stay in the program but don't make the Orange team are the ones who will suffer.

Don't know about the VA tryouts but we were there at the MD ones and the turnout was pretty bad.

Returning kids do not pay the tryout fee so you are wrong there. Yes you can look at adding a third team as a money grab. Or you can look at it as more kids more talent. If the other two top programs in the area have good or great high school teams you might want to have the numbers to be able to handle some leaving for the other top high school programs. Also with these top private schools doing more and more summer and fall actives. A top private school kid and play with his high school during the off season also and do showcases and be just fine.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 04:12 PM

This comment is incorrect - it is true that all returning players were required to attend yesterday's tryout however, if you were already invited to play on the Capital Orange team you did not get charged the tryout fee. I should know, my Son fell in this category...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 05:13 PM

It's true invited Capital players didn't have to pay. But it's also true this new system isn't really to benefit the Orange team. They might get 1 or 2 new playera because of the 2 tryouts but the Blue players really get screwed over by splitting into 2 teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's true invited Capital players didn't have to pay. But it's also true this new system isn't really to benefit the Orange team. They might get 1 or 2 new playera because of the 2 tryouts but the Blue players really get screwed over by splitting into 2 teams.

That is not a 100% truth. You could say the talent is spread out for the "blue" teams. And I am sure this is the case year one. But there is tons of wasted talent on many of these lesser club teams in both states that would be better served on a Madlax team. Please do not bring up the money again. I know you want to.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 08:31 PM

Counting college commits seems to be a reach. If a program has bunches of kids committed to VMI, other 3rd tier programs, that is supposed to be a wow attraction. Not following that. The number of VLC and Blackwolf commits in face is high, the percentage of them going to lower tier programs is also high. Some lower tier D1 programs exist to attract full tuition paying families. Nothing wrong with kids making an academic choice to go to one of them, but to market it as a club lacrosse team nailing it for placements is pretty empty.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Counting college commits seems to be a reach. If a program has bunches of kids committed to VMI, other 3rd tier programs, that is supposed to be a wow attraction. Not following that. The number of VLC and Blackwolf commits in face is high, the percentage of them going to lower tier programs is also high. Some lower tier D1 programs exist to attract full tuition paying families. Nothing wrong with kids making an academic choice to go to one of them, but to market it as a club lacrosse team nailing it for placements is pretty empty.


So you're saying that if a kid commits to a D1 school like VMI that you don't deem "worthy", it somehow diminishes that kid's accomplishment? If that's the school (D1 or otherwise) that a kid wants to go to, who are you to say it's not an accomplishment?

If you want to play that game, look at the Madlax 2015 list. I see names like St. Joe's, High Point, Denison, Tufts, Mary Washington, Ursinus, W&L, Colby, NJIT, Wooster, Queens, etc.

That team had 4 kids out of 16 that went to "brand name" schools. Are you going to tell those parents to their faces that their sons' commitment to those school is not worthy? Everyone on that list (or any college commit list) should be proud and given due respect. What a jerk you are.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 09:16 PM

The comment is aimed at clubs who market themselves foolishly like Madlax and VLC both. Bragging about kids going to nearly unheard of schools does make the programs look weak.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 08/31/15 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Counting college commits seems to be a reach. If a program has bunches of kids committed to VMI, other 3rd tier programs, that is supposed to be a wow attraction. Not following that. The number of VLC and Blackwolf commits in face is high, the percentage of them going to lower tier programs is also high. Some lower tier D1 programs exist to attract full tuition paying families. Nothing wrong with kids making an academic choice to go to one of them, but to market it as a club lacrosse team nailing it for placements is pretty empty.


I'll play. Here are where some of the Blackwolf 2016 kids are going:

Maryland
Cornell
Brown
Michigan
Drexel
Loyola
St. Joseph's
UMBC
Binghampton
High Point
Middlebury

Madlax 2016
Air Force
Dartmouth
Colgate
Vermont
Syracuse
Army
Trinity
Sewanee
Tufts
Colby
Mary Washington

You really want to diss Blackwolf's college commitments?






Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 01:09 AM

My beef is that some posters are constantly saying how VLC and Blackwolf have better HS programs, which simply is not true. Look at the numbers, each program is very close. Furthermore, if madlax's HS is so bad how is it that there are 3 madlax kids that made ty xander's top 50 sophomore list, two of which are in the top 10. Not too shabby for a sub par HS program. How many kids from Blackwolf and VLC, you ask? Zero!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 01:16 AM

If we're on the topic of quality placements, look at VLC's 2017 commitments:

Duke
Virginia
Yale
Georgetown
Cornell
West Point
Colgate
Maryland
High Point

Pretty good schools I'd say!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My beef is that some posters are constantly saying how VLC and Blackwolf have better HS programs, which simply is not true. Look at the numbers, each program is very close. Furthermore, if madlax's HS is so bad how is it that there are 3 madlax kids that made ty xander's top 50 sophomore list, two of which are in the top 10. Not too shabby for a sub par HS program. How many kids from Blackwolf and VLC, you ask? Zero!


How many Madlax 2016s made the cut? ZERO.

How many Madlax 2017s made the cut? ZERO.

You are slicing up stats to suit your agenda. If you look at the number of commits from 2014-2019, both BW and VLC have a lot more than Madlax. If Madlax is best for your family, then be happy with that. But don't try to create random stats that don't give a true picture.

Blackwolf has had so many more commits since 2014 than Madlax it's not even close.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 02:59 AM

Uh, it was a 2018 list. The 2016 and 2017 list haven't been published yet. Genius.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I only included the current high school teams, obviously the 2015 team doesn't exist anymore, but for kicks-and-giggles let's take a wider sample size - from 2012 to present, madlax with 79 d1 commits, vlc with 49. I think it is safe to say that, when it comes to getting kids committed to D1 programs, the Madlax HS program is equally as good as VLC and Blackwolf, if not better. Not trying to get into a virtual pissing match, just wanted to refute an inaccurate statement posted by the previous poster.


Believe someone already did the math.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 11:21 AM

Ok, let's keep bashing each other's program, costs, coaches and commits. All good stuff. But please keep Ty Xander's rankings out of any discussion of superiority. You all do know he gets paid by our clubs to write his blog and attend these tourneys. How do you all think he makes money, website advertising?

His list is a nice read and good entertainment, but please don't think for one minute there aren't kids out there in non-hotbed areas just as good as our "Ty ranked" players.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If we're on the topic of quality placements, look at VLC's 2017 commitments:

Duke
Virginia
Yale
Georgetown
Cornell
West Point
Colgate
Maryland
High Point

Pretty good schools I'd say!

How many of these kids from this list played 1 or more games in a Madlax uniform? I think this is the class that all left from the email crazy coach year. Is this correct?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My beef is that some posters are constantly saying how VLC and Blackwolf have better HS programs, which simply is not true. Look at the numbers, each program is very close. Furthermore, if madlax's HS is so bad how is it that there are 3 madlax kids that made ty xander's top 50 sophomore list, two of which are in the top 10. Not too shabby for a sub par HS program. How many kids from Blackwolf and VLC, you ask? Zero!


How many Madlax 2016s made the cut? ZERO.

How many Madlax 2017s made the cut? ZERO.

You are slicing up stats to suit your agenda. If you look at the number of commits from 2014-2019, both BW and VLC have a lot more than Madlax. If Madlax is best for your family, then be happy with that. But don't try to create random stats that don't give a true picture.

Blackwolf has had so many more commits since 2014 than Madlax it's not even close.

2016 and 2017 are the years the Madlax email came out? This push some of the best players to these teams. As you can see by the talent on Madlax 2018 and 2019 teams people are over the email and coming back to Madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, let's keep bashing each other's program, costs, coaches and commits. All good stuff. But please keep Ty Xander's rankings out of any discussion of superiority. You all do know he gets paid by our clubs to write his blog and attend these tourneys. How do you all think he makes money, website advertising?

His list is a nice read and good entertainment, but please don't think for one minute there aren't kids out there in non-hotbed areas just as good as our "Ty ranked" players.


I agree there seems to be a lean towards the big programs from the notheast. But I can count tons of West Coast Stars and kids from Texas programs that he puts on his list and writes about. The only way to vet his list is in 3 or 4 years people need to call out all the kids he did not write about that turn into studs. But I am guessing the hit or miss ratio will be the same as the high school basketbal and football list.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, let's keep bashing each other's program, costs, coaches and commits. All good stuff. But please keep Ty Xander's rankings out of any discussion of superiority. You all do know he gets paid by our clubs to write his blog and attend these tourneys. How do you all think he makes money, website advertising?

His list is a nice read and good entertainment, but please don't think for one minute there aren't kids out there in non-hotbed areas just as good as our "Ty ranked" players.



The reference was not meant to be a discussion of superiority but to simply clarify some of the misinformation that is being spewed about Madlax's HS teams. VLC's and Blackwolf's HS teams are great, I'm not disputing that, but in my opinion Madlax is right there with them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If we're on the topic of quality placements, look at VLC's 2017 commitments:

Duke
Virginia
Yale
Georgetown
Cornell
West Point
Colgate
Maryland
High Point

Pretty good schools I'd say!

How many of these kids from this list played 1 or more games in a Madlax uniform? I think this is the class that all left from the email crazy coach year. Is this correct?


2 kids on this list played for madlax. The kid in the email and another that followed (for other reasons), a year or so later.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 12:17 PM

Who do you think runs West Coast Stars, a former Crab. Who do you think runs Texas? Who flew Ty out to Minnesota.

Let's not be naive to think a guy flies across the country on his own dime.

Football and basketball have multiple outlets for ranking comparison sake. Lacrosse has one, and for that Ty is a genius. Not hating just explaining to those 2020 parents from non-proffering clubs as to why their kids aren't going to be ranked in 2 years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who do you think runs West Coast Stars, a former Crab. Who do you think runs Texas? Who flew Ty out to Minnesota.

Let's not be naive to think a guy flies across the country on his own dime.

Football and basketball have multiple outlets for ranking comparison sake. Lacrosse has one, and for that Ty is a genius. Not hating just explaining to those 2020 parents from non-proffering clubs as to why their kids aren't going to be ranked in 2 years.

Cool thanks for the extra info. Can we find the oldest rankings list of any kind TY put out and see how well he did? I thought 3d website also did some form of Ranking lists?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If we're on the topic of quality placements, look at VLC's 2017 commitments:

Duke
Virginia
Yale
Georgetown
Cornell
West Point
Colgate
Maryland
High Point

Pretty good schools I'd say!

How many of these kids from this list played 1 or more games in a Madlax uniform? I think this is the class that all left from the email crazy coach year. Is this correct?


2 kids on this list played for madlax. The kid in the email and another that followed (for other reasons), a year or so later.

So know looking back at the email. Maybe the Dad/kid who left Madlax left to go play with 5 or so other studs. That was the real reason for leaving. He just tried to use the yelling at my kid as a way out. Once again he just did not man up and tell the truth witch I am sure our crazy owner new.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 01:10 PM

Do Blackwolf's HS teams practice regularly? Or is it more of a model where they assemble an all-star team and they get together on Thursday and Friday before a tournament and do a practice or walkthough?

No criticism here. Just curious as a parent of a non-DMV player.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My beef is that some posters are constantly saying how VLC and Blackwolf have better HS programs, which simply is not true. Look at the numbers, each program is very close. Furthermore, if madlax's HS is so bad how is it that there are 3 madlax kids that made ty xander's top 50 sophomore list, two of which are in the top 10. Not too shabby for a sub par HS program. How many kids from Blackwolf and VLC, you ask? Zero!


How many Madlax 2016s made the cut? ZERO.

How many Madlax 2017s made the cut? ZERO.

You are slicing up stats to suit your agenda. If you look at the number of commits from 2014-2019, both BW and VLC have a lot more than Madlax. If Madlax is best for your family, then be happy with that. But don't try to create random stats that don't give a true picture.

Blackwolf has had so many more commits since 2014 than Madlax it's not even close.


I think if you look closely at the 2017 Top 25 list you will see that Madlax did make the cut...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If we're on the topic of quality placements, look at VLC's 2017 commitments:

Duke
Virginia
Yale
Georgetown
Cornell
West Point
Colgate
Maryland
High Point

Pretty good schools I'd say!

How many of these kids from this list played 1 or more games in a Madlax uniform? I think this is the class that all left from the email crazy coach year. Is this correct?


No, you are not correct. This list include 2 kids who used to play for Madlax. The rest either have been with VLC for years or joined VLC from a club other than Madlax.

But your general point is correct. Madlax loses a lot of players in HS. Either because they are fed up with him or the parents realize the cost is ridiculous.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If we're on the topic of quality placements, look at VLC's 2017 commitments:

Duke
Virginia
Yale
Georgetown
Cornell
West Point
Colgate
Maryland
High Point

Pretty good schools I'd say!

How many of these kids from this list played 1 or more games in a Madlax uniform? I think this is the class that all left from the email crazy coach year. Is this correct?


2 kids on this list played for madlax. The kid in the email and another that followed (for other reasons), a year or so later.

So know looking back at the email. Maybe the Dad/kid who left Madlax left to go play with 5 or so other studs. That was the real reason for leaving. He just tried to use the yelling at my kid as a way out. Once again he just did not man up and tell the truth witch I am sure our crazy owner new.


The kid actually with VLC when it started and then went back to Madlax. Later on, he decided to go back to VLC. If the left because he wanted to play with some friends or he left because he wanted nothing more to do with the owner, does it really matter? Is he some kind of slave who is not allowed to decide what's best for him?

I guarantee VLC didn't threaten him when he first left VLC.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 03:41 PM

If you look at the commit counts and the ranked player counts coming from a very consolidated list of club programs, lacrosse recruiting looks absurd. There are good club teams that have 15-20 kids headed to Division one teams a year meaning they are populating nearly two entire division one programs as a club. VLC, Blackwolf, Madlax, Crabs, FCA. All have some good high school teams, but the notion that any of them have one team that "should" be placing more than 4 or 5 to high level division one programs seems like the greatest story ever sold. I would wage that there are public high school kids in both Loudon, Fairfax, Arlington, Montgomery counties that are equal to better recruits who just don't pay club freight to play on a club costing $2000, $4000 a year and then showcases, prospect days, etc etc. And fans of UNC and UVA wonder why those programs suck, and why Hopkins misses final fours for a decade. What's impressive about those Madlax BW and VLC lists posted here is how that got sold. I've seen the 2016 and 2017 teams at those three clubs many times. A few good players on each. Not 5, not 10 and certainly not 16. I guess that is the real edge for these clubs who are connected to sell recruits.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 03:54 PM

If you don't think any of those clubs have 5 or more good players on any of their teams, you are crazy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 04:14 PM

Yes, maybe I am. BTW, did you play college and make All-American? Just me asking. I did. Maybe that makes me less the expert, which is fine. That's just my assessment. There are a lot of good players in those three programs in 2016 and 2017. More than 4 on any team I see any realistic chance of ever seeing the field? No. Club lacrosse has basically become a headhunting firm business getting these kids college jobs. I don't volunteer coach anymore for high school club teams. None of the players were interested in building skills, they and their parents just wanted to know if I could call coaches for them. 20 kids on every team think they're D1 in 9th grade. It's a joke.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/01/15 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes, maybe I am. BTW, did you play college and make All-American? Just me asking. I did. Maybe that makes me less the expert, which is fine. That's just my assessment. There are a lot of good players in those three programs in 2016 and 2017. More than 4 on any team I see any realistic chance of ever seeing the field? No. Club lacrosse has basically become a headhunting firm business getting these kids college jobs. I don't volunteer coach anymore for high school club teams. None of the players were interested in building skills, they and their parents just wanted to know if I could call coaches for them. 20 kids on every team think they're D1 in 9th grade. It's a joke.


Amen. As a parent on the sidelines at recruiting events I have personally seen my sons coach really "hyping " a particular player to a D1 program head coach and this player was good and a good athlete but not great and not better than several other kids on the team. It gave me a sick feeling. I actually wondered if money had changed hands. I know that sounds crazy. After the first half during which this "hyped" kid got a lot of playing time and essentially blew it, the coach walked over and said "well I guess my preview was a little off". I don't know whether the college coach was paying much attention to what the club coach was saying or not. I lost all respect for the club coach at that point. But this kid who is certainly good but not great ended up verbally committing to another D1 program within a couple of months. That is when I first realized that lacrosse recruiting is not necessarily based solely on merit. It will be interesting to see if this kid ends up actually playing for the program he committed to.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/02/15 12:55 AM

I have never been in involved in a sport (lacrosse) where everyone has such a expectation of being a college player. Overall a true lack of elite athletes playing the lacrosse game. For the most part they are good, but undersized athletes of upper middle class to wealthy kids excelling due to their parents means and lack of true athletic competition from the masses.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes, maybe I am. BTW, did you play college and make All-American? Just me asking. I did. Maybe that makes me less the expert, which is fine. That's just my assessment. There are a lot of good players in those three programs in 2016 and 2017. More than 4 on any team I see any realistic chance of ever seeing the field? No. Club lacrosse has basically become a headhunting firm business getting these kids college jobs. I don't volunteer coach anymore for high school club teams. None of the players were interested in building skills, they and their parents just wanted to know if I could call coaches for them. 20 kids on every team think they're D1 in 9th grade. It's a joke.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/02/15 01:30 AM

Ignorant
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/02/15 01:30 AM

[quote=Anonymous]I have never been in involved in a sport (lacrosse) where everyone has such a expectation of being a college player. Overall a true lack of elite athletes playing the lacrosse game. For the most part they are good, but undersized athletes of upper middle class to wealthy kids excelling due to their parents means and lack of true athletic competition from the masses.

It sounds like you stopped following the sport in 1980, a lot has changed since then
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/02/15 10:50 AM

Actually, that may be the best post yet in club lacrosse. Colleges that ignore the riff raff club guys and paid for ranking guys are cleaning up. Denver didn't even recruit the can't miss couple of kids from Colorado. Both are very highly ranked 2017 kids but neither of them would play at Denver. Most of the local 2016 and 2017 kids are about then same players they were as 16 year old freshmen. I guess you can also underwhelm for 6 months and miss the next 6 months with a wrecked knee and also be ranked which is pretty odd too.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/02/15 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]I have never been in involved in a sport (lacrosse) where everyone has such a expectation of being a college player. Overall a true lack of elite athletes playing the lacrosse game. For the most part they are good, but undersized athletes of upper middle class to wealthy kids excelling due to their parents means and lack of true athletic competition from the masses.

It sounds like you stopped following the sport in 1980, a lot has changed since then

Well I think there are more kids playing the game but overall still the same type of kid playing the game. If you look at a football field or a basketball court and compare its not even close. I will give you a increase of 15% better athletes compared to the 80'S.
But lacrosse is still what I would call a skill sport. If you put in the time with practice you can become an above avg player and not be a great athlete.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: MadLax Lacrosse - 09/02/15 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]I have never been in involved in a sport (lacrosse) where everyone has such a expectation of being a college player. Overall a true lack of elite athletes playing the lacrosse game. For the most part they are good, but undersized athletes of upper middle class to wealthy kids excelling due to their parents means and lack of true athletic competition from the masses.

It sounds like you stopped following the sport in 1980, a lot has changed since then

Well I think there are more kids playing the game but overall still the same type of kid playing the game. If you look at a football field or a basketball court and compare its not even close. I will give you a increase of 15% better athletes compared to the 80'S.
But lacrosse is still what I would call a skill sport. If you put in the time with practice you can become an above avg player and not be a great athlete.


Being a top 10 tennis player means being able to afford going to a tennis academy and spending $100K a year on instruction and events. Being a top 10 at skiing is close to the same. There are alpine prep schools now. Ditto equestrian. Lacrosse isn't as hysterical in terms of those costs, but the PP is correct. The college rosters today are mostly clogged with wealthier class white kids who'd never be a collegiate athlete in a more widely competed sport. Look at the athletes in division 1 soccer, basketball, football, swimming, etc. Sports where you're not having kids smoked out of the sport for not being able to pay large amounts and sports that are competed in all 50 states by millions of kids. A division 1 athlete in those sports is just that. A division 1 lacrosse player is at least in part a kid whose parents were able to underwr