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It's the start of the Fall 2017/Summer 2018 season. Use this thread for your posts regarding this age group

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Come on 2020 Parents where are you?

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Gag order!

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I'm not one to post on this site, especially about another kid, but the things you guys were saying about the St.Ants kid is absolute crap. That kid is great! She was at Elite 80 yesterday and she looked good! She got recognition from many coaches and she seems like a nice girl, as I saw her smiling and joking around with my kid and the other players. Stop making this kid seem like something she is not... Very quick player and a great shooter. If I was a coach that would be a commit right on the spot.

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I'm not one to post on this site, especially about another kid, but the things you guys were saying about the St.Ants kid is absolute crap. That kid is great! She was at Elite 80 yesterday and she looked good! She got recognition from many coaches and she seems like a nice girl, as I saw her smiling and joking around with my kid and the other players. Stop making this kid seem like something she is not... Very quick player and a great shooter. If I was a coach that would be a commit right on the spot.

Right. Looks like kid already has a good relationship with the coaches. Never gives any kid another chance to shine... I’m not hating but it’s a good thing the kid and her parents are humble and don’t look for attention.

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While all the other 2020 kids were not there. Nobody in that age group that is decent Lax player was not on LI yesterday

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Dad, is that you?

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While all the other 2020 kids were not there. Nobody in that age group that is decent Lax player was not on LI yesterday


I agree. The timing of the LI Elite 80 makes no sense. Why have this in the middle of one of the biggest Fall Tournament Weekend? All the top teams were at one of the tournaments in Maryland this weekend. So the talent level had to be pretty low at this event.

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While all the other 2020 kids were not there. Nobody in that age group that is decent Lax player was not on LI yesterday


I agree. The timing of the LI Elite 80 makes no sense. Why have this in the middle of one of the biggest Fall Tournament Weekend? All the top teams were at one of the tournaments in Maryland this weekend. So the talent level had to be pretty low at this event.


It was a great event, Well organized and put together, with 14 top D-1 Head Coaches right here on Long Island giving hands on personal attention. All the girls had a wonderful time and so did the coaches. whether the talent was high/low it was a much better option staying home with access to all those coaches rather than being in Maryland playing for no coaches as they were all here.

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While all the other 2020 kids were not there. Nobody in that age group that is decent Lax player was not on LI yesterday


I agree. The timing of the LI Elite 80 makes no sense. Why have this in the middle of one of the biggest Fall Tournament Weekend? All the top teams were at one of the tournaments in Maryland this weekend. So the talent level had to be pretty low at this event.


Silly Goose, bet you're kicking yourself. You missed out on all those coaches and instead played for Asst's. I'm guessing your kid is really so talented, that you would rather they play for Asst's than actual head coaches. Trying to be insulting but in facet you both sound so stupid.

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What coaches were at this event?

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What coaches were at this event?


Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

and YES they all were in attendance.

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LOL $595! good value on top of your club fees....The asst coaches(divide and conquer) make recommendations and get a lot of the initial looks...you think its one look and done? wake up ..they watch most kids 3, 4, and sometimes 5 times before the call is set up...

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While all the other 2020 kids were not there. Nobody in that age group that is decent Lax player was not on LI yesterday


I agree. The timing of the LI Elite 80 makes no sense. Why have this in the middle of one of the biggest Fall Tournament Weekend? All the top teams were at one of the tournaments in Maryland this weekend. So the talent level had to be pretty low at this event.


Silly Goose, bet you're kicking yourself. You missed out on all those coaches and instead played for Asst's. I'm guessing your kid is really so talented, that you would rather they play for Asst's than actual head coaches. Trying to be insulting but in facet you both sound so stupid.


LOL. Who do you think does the actual recruiting for these schools? You paid a bunch of money for a clinic. Plus Igloo paid those coaches a bunch of money to be there. Money Grab if there ever was one.

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What coaches were at this event?


Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

and YES they all were in attendance.
when was this event? Sounds like a great showcase

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What coaches were at this event?


Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

and YES they all were in attendance.
Shannon smith was in Maryland

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While all the other 2020 kids were not there. Nobody in that age group that is decent Lax player was not on LI yesterday


I agree. The timing of the LI Elite 80 makes no sense. Why have this in the middle of one of the biggest Fall Tournament Weekend? All the top teams were at one of the tournaments in Maryland this weekend. So the talent level had to be pretty low at this event.


Silly Goose, bet you're kicking yourself. You missed out on all those coaches and instead played for Asst's. I'm guessing your kid is really so talented, that you would rather they play for Asst's than actual head coaches. Trying to be insulting but in facet you both sound so stupid.


LOL. Who do you think does the actual recruiting for these schools? You paid a bunch of money for a clinic. Plus Igloo paid those coaches a bunch of money to be there. Money Grab if there ever was one.


And you paid tolls, hotel, tourney fee, and meals for your kid to play for NO ONE. I'm done...no point in arguing with fools, you win.

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While all the other 2020 kids were not there. Nobody in that age group that is decent Lax player was not on LI yesterday


I agree. The timing of the LI Elite 80 makes no sense. Why have this in the middle of one of the biggest Fall Tournament Weekend? All the top teams were at one of the tournaments in Maryland this weekend. So the talent level had to be pretty low at this event.


Silly Goose, bet you're kicking yourself. You missed out on all those coaches and instead played for Asst's. I'm guessing your kid is really so talented, that you would rather they play for Asst's than actual head coaches. Trying to be insulting but in facet you both sound so stupid.


LOL. Who do you think does the actual recruiting for these schools? You paid a bunch of money for a clinic. Plus Igloo paid those coaches a bunch of money to be there. Money Grab if there ever was one.

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LOL $595! good value on top of your club fees....The asst coaches(divide and conquer) make recommendations and get a lot of the initial looks...you think its one look and done? wake up ..they watch most kids 3, 4, and sometimes 5 times before the call is set up...


Yawn!

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Shannon Smith was 99.9999% at this event.

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This event was everything it was advertised to be and more. every coach listed was there! and it wasn't a showcase, these coaches were on the fields coaching every moment. it was costly but not when you look at what you got, instruction from the top coaches in the country.

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While all the other 2020 kids were not there. Nobody in that age group that is decent Lax player was not on LI yesterday


I agree. The timing of the LI Elite 80 makes no sense. Why have this in the middle of one of the biggest Fall Tournament Weekend? All the top teams were at one of the tournaments in Maryland this weekend. So the talent level had to be pretty low at this event.


Silly Goose, bet you're kicking yourself. You missed out on all those coaches and instead played for Asst's. I'm guessing your kid is really so talented, that you would rather they play for Asst's than actual head coaches. Trying to be insulting but in facet you both sound so stupid.


LOL. Who do you think does the actual recruiting for these schools? You paid a bunch of money for a clinic. Plus Igloo paid those coaches a bunch of money to be there. Money Grab if there ever was one.


And you paid tolls, hotel, tourney fee, and meals for your kid to play for NO ONE. I'm done...no point in arguing with fools, you win.


Ok. Those programs have tons of kids on their roster from the B team clubs who weren't playing in Maryland this weekend and were able to attend. If only we could have a list of girls that were there and look back in 3 years and see that this was all just a waste of time and money. Hate to break it to you, but there were a TON of coaches at the Maryland events that were there to watch the actual top players in each class. So you go ahead and think that just because one of those coaches saw your daughter who couldn't even make the YJ C team that she's getting that big scholarship...Meanwhile the talent was a few hours south with hundreds of coaches that were there to actually find players for their programs.

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Ok. Those programs have tons of kids on their roster from the B team clubs who weren't playing in Maryland this weekend and were able to attend. If only we could have a list of girls that were there and look back in 3 years and see that this was all just a waste of time and money. Hate to break it to you, but there were a TON of coaches at the Maryland events that were there to watch the actual top players in each class. So you go ahead and think that just because one of those coaches saw your daughter who couldn't even make the YJ C team that she's getting that big scholarship...Meanwhile the talent was a few hours south with hundreds of coaches that were there to actually find players for their programs.


You're stupid!

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What coaches were at this event?


Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

and YES they all were in attendance.



And NO, none of the top players were in attendance.

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This event was everything it was advertised to be and more. every coach listed was there! and it wasn't a showcase, these coaches were on the fields coaching every moment. it was costly but not when you look at what you got, instruction from the top coaches in the country.


You got a CLINIC for $600! Thats what you got. If you think that is a deal I have a bridge I am selling for 50% off but you must act NOW!

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There were many coaches in Maryland from all divisions. Who care what others choose to spend their money on. Grow up

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This event was everything it was advertised to be and more. every coach listed was there! and it wasn't a showcase, these coaches were on the fields coaching every moment. it was costly but not when you look at what you got, instruction from the top coaches in the country.


You got a CLINIC for $600! Thats what you got. If you think that is a deal I have a bridge I am selling for 50% off but you must act NOW!


Reading comp might not be your thing, I said it was costly, not a deal. we all spend a ton more than that on tourneys with no coaching from the best! so I'll spend my money the way I want to and I thought this was well worth it and so did my daughter

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This event was everything it was advertised to be and more. every coach listed was there! and it wasn't a showcase, these coaches were on the fields coaching every moment. it was costly but not when you look at what you got, instruction from the top coaches in the country.


You got a CLINIC for $600! Thats what you got. If you think that is a deal I have a bridge I am selling for 50% off but you must act NOW!


Reading comp might not be your thing, I said it was costly, not a deal. we all spend a ton more than that on tourneys with no coaching from the best! so I'll spend my money the way I want to and I thought this was well worth it and so did my daughter


And you get to say she is one of the tops 80 players in the country that wasn’t playing with the other top 400 kids in the country in Maryland.

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Not at all. I don't say anything. You bunch of empty barrels are the ones who need other people's approval.

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This event was everything it was advertised to be and more. every coach listed was there! and it wasn't a showcase, these coaches were on the fields coaching every moment. it was costly but not when you look at what you got, instruction from the top coaches in the country.


You got a CLINIC for $600! Thats what you got. If you think that is a deal I have a bridge I am selling for 50% off but you must act NOW!


Reading comp might not be your thing, I said it was costly, not a deal. we all spend a ton more than that on tourneys with no coaching from the best! so I'll spend my money the way I want to and I thought this was well worth it and so did my daughter


And you get to say she is one of the tops 80 players in the country that wasn’t playing with the other top 400 kids in the country in Maryland.



My daughter was there as well. We will definitely be doing it again next year. We left Maryland early to attend and it was so worth it. The coaches were up close and very hands on, much better than I anticipated. Let these people mouthing off on something they weren't involved in, speculate negatively all they want, we don't want them in on it anyway.

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Only way any of kids at igloo thing on Sunday get in to any of those schools is academically. Never for Lacrosse

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This event was everything it was advertised to be and more. every coach listed was there! and it wasn't a showcase, these coaches were on the fields coaching every moment. it was costly but not when you look at what you got, instruction from the top coaches in the country.


You got a CLINIC for $600! Thats what you got. If you think that is a deal I have a bridge I am selling for 50% off but you must act NOW!


Reading comp might not be your thing, I said it was costly, not a deal. we all spend a ton more than that on tourneys with no coaching from the best! so I'll spend my money the way I want to and I thought this was well worth it and so did my daughter


And you get to say she is one of the tops 80 players in the country that wasn’t playing with the other top 400 kids in the country in Maryland.



My daughter was there as well. We will definitely be doing it again next year. We left Maryland early to attend and it was so worth it. The coaches were up close and very hands on, much better than I anticipated. Let these people mouthing off on something they weren't involved in, speculate negatively all they want, we don't want them in on it anyway.


You do realize these are money grabs? have you noticed how many of these venues are out there now after the recruiting rule change? If your kid plays for a good club team they will find her... and btw the assistants were in Maryland...if they like your kid's play they will put you on a watch list....so keep spending the extra $ the head coaches are thanking you at Christmas time!

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Blah, Blah, Blah...Why do you care so much what others do with their money? Money grab or not, it's MY money and I decide what I do with it. Just as you chose to waste YOURS in Maryland or wherever you were this weekend. I chose to spend MINE where I chose....Club lacrosse is the ultimate money grab and waste, and we all still pay it, but you don't hear me lecturing you about it. So just shut up ad go away! Sorry you couldn't pull the funds together to send your kid. We get it, your kid wasn't there so you're annoyed and can't let it go. 2 days of talking about this is tiring.. Let's talk about all the coaches that saw your kid in this weekend.

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And let me guess! The club programs are not, thanking you @ Christmas time lol. Oh I get it my little Suzy is committed,or maybe not but still pays for tryouts, for the same team they been playing with for over a decade. Oh I get it. My little Suzy is so good she does “NOT” attend anything without the other club girls because the directors told us not too. And this line, all the good girls only play for YJ. Well you should have attended Sunday’s Elite 80 and look at the 3 girls that stood out, and the coaches were going crazy for. All great shooters, field awareness, stick work, and one who would run circles around most kids on YJ. If they are not committed as of yet! They diffently left a great impression on the coaches in attendance. As some of the coaches gave special attention on field #2 to numbers 7,46, and #54 that kid is something to watch. And my daughters A team TG coach was there, a bit surprising but still an excellent event.

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I wish I wasted my money at the clinic in LI verses driving to Maryland watching my daughter's YJ team get beat by a Florida team.

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I wish I wasted my money at the clinic in LI verses driving to Maryland watching my daughter's YJ team get beat by a Florida team.

College coaches don't keep score and or care what the score is. Way too many parents get caught up in wins and loses. It's no wonder kids today are considered the "Entitlement" generation. It's not their fault, it's the parents. Obviously we hope they train hard and play hard for the win. But you can't win them all. Your whining is not helping them. Teach them how to handle losing. Life's going to throw them curve balls and unless you prepare them now, they'll be whiners just like you.

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beat by the florida team?? the studs got smoked.. funny it is supposed to be a recruiting tournament and YJ had a short bench all weekend.. haaaaaaaaaaa suckers..

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Blah, Blah, Blah...Why do you care so much what others do with their money? Money grab or not, it's MY money and I decide what I do with it. Just as you chose to waste YOURS in Maryland or wherever you were this weekend. I chose to spend MINE where I chose....Club lacrosse is the ultimate money grab and waste, and we all still pay it, but you don't hear me lecturing you about it. So just shut up ad go away! Sorry you couldn't pull the funds together to send your kid. We get it, your kid wasn't there so you're annoyed and can't let it go. 2 days of talking about this is tiring.. Let's talk about all the coaches that saw your kid in this weekend.


Hmm..shes already done ..so it doesn't matter...but once again im sure their all thankful for your generous donation. Christmas came early for them

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And let me guess! The club programs are not, thanking you @ Christmas time lol. Oh I get it my little Suzy is committed,or maybe not but still pays for tryouts, for the same team they been playing with for over a decade. Oh I get it. My little Suzy is so good she does “NOT” attend anything without the other club girls because the directors told us not too. And this line, all the good girls only play for YJ. Well you should have attended Sunday’s Elite 80 and look at the 3 girls that stood out, and the coaches were going crazy for. All great shooters, field awareness, stick work, and one who would run circles around most kids on YJ. If they are not committed as of yet! They diffently left a great impression on the coaches in attendance. As some of the coaches gave special attention on field #2 to numbers 7,46, and #54 that kid is something to watch. And my daughters A team TG coach was there, a bit surprising but still an excellent event.



TG parent says it all...Could be the rudest, me me ball , parents out there...and Im not from LI..we do spank you every year though..ding ding $595.00 please ..thank you for shopping!

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Plus many others were at prime time

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And a couple others as well to be fair. But those girls, I apologize in advance if I’m wrong one kid was from YJ, and the other kid was from an Out of town program “Sound Lacrosse” and the very fast and versatile kid I think plays For Saint A’s no club affiliation on the roster. This is a joke right?

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Left Maryland last weekend to attend Sunday night and well worth it. Prime time and Lax Clash were a waste. Especially Lax Clash, No competition to speak of. Rather have my kid one of 80 in front of 15 head coaches then 1 of several hundred in front of assistants that spend more time on their phone than watching. Although previous poster was correct that many of best players did not attend, a few did shine .Coaches know what they are looking for. Speaking of a Florida Team beating YJ's, a 2020 goalie from Florida was at showcase and was insanely good. good as any I have seen in the class.

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This event was everything it was advertised to be and more. every coach listed was there! and it wasn't a showcase, these coaches were on the fields coaching every moment. it was costly but not when you look at what you got, instruction from the top coaches in the country.


You got a CLINIC for $600! Thats what you got. If you think that is a deal I have a bridge I am selling for 50% off but you must act NOW!


Money is not a problem for me. I don't even think twice about it. Im not stressed about a scholarship. My daughter had a great experience.

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Left Maryland last weekend to attend Sunday night and well worth it. Prime time and Lax Clash were a waste. Especially Lax Clash, No competition to speak of. Rather have my kid one of 80 in front of 15 head coaches then 1 of several hundred in front of assistants that spend more time on their phone than watching. Although previous poster was correct that many of best players did not attend, a few did shine .Coaches know what they are looking for. Speaking of a Florida Team beating YJ's, a 2020 goalie from Florida was at showcase and was insanely good. good as any I have seen in the class.



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beat by the florida team?? the studs got smoked.. funny it is supposed to be a recruiting tournament and YJ had a short bench all weekend.. haaaaaaaaaaa suckers..


The score wasn't posted?

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My daughter told me that Florida Select has a handful is 2021s out there as well.

YJ Blue held to just 2 goals.

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And let me guess! The club programs are not, thanking you @ Christmas time lol. Oh I get it my little Suzy is committed,or maybe not but still pays for tryouts, for the same team they been playing with for over a decade. Oh I get it. My little Suzy is so good she does “NOT” attend anything without the other club girls because the directors told us not too. And this line, all the good girls only play for YJ. Well you should have attended Sunday’s Elite 80 and look at the 3 girls that stood out, and the coaches were going crazy for. All great shooters, field awareness, stick work, and one who would run circles around most kids on YJ. If they are not committed as of yet! They diffently left a great impression on the coaches in attendance. As some of the coaches gave special attention on field #2 to numbers 7,46, and #54 that kid is something to watch. And my daughters A team TG coach was there, a bit surprising but still an excellent event.


Of course SS was there, for $5,000 she will also come to your house for three hours

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Left Maryland last weekend to attend Sunday night and well worth it. Prime time and Lax Clash were a waste. Especially Lax Clash, No competition to speak of. Rather have my kid one of 80 in front of 15 head coaches then 1 of several hundred in front of assistants that spend more time on their phone than watching. Although previous poster was correct that many of best players did not attend, a few did shine .Coaches know what they are looking for. Speaking of a Florida Team beating YJ's, a 2020 goalie from Florida was at showcase and was insanely good. good as any I have seen in the class.


You're new to this aren't you? The assistants are looking at the tournament rosters on their phone and taking notes. There are others with tablets if they prefer to carry the extra device. But, there are very few that carry the big binders around in their hands. Those are usually in their backpacks or they just opt not to get one. The coaches that do receive programs/rosters from some teams at fields will usually use those to jot down notes or check to see who is committed because the rosters passed out by the teams are up to date. If you think those assistants that are sitting near you are not paying attention and just texting away to their buddies - you are probably one of those parents spouting off constantly at the refs and trying to coach your kid from the sidelines. We are on our third and last kid in this process/game - the coaches don't need to watch for too long and they also are not concerned about how good your kid is dodging around cones or picking up ground balls at a clinic. They want to see how your kid performs against the Maryland kids or deals with adversity while getting beat by a Maryland team. If your team just rolled over the competition - good, then I hope your daughter won with grace and showed sportsmanship.

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And let me guess! The club programs are not, thanking you @ Christmas time lol. Oh I get it my little Suzy is committed,or maybe not but still pays for tryouts, for the same team they been playing with for over a decade. Oh I get it. My little Suzy is so good she does “NOT” attend anything without the other club girls because the directors told us not too. And this line, all the good girls only play for YJ. Well you should have attended Sunday’s Elite 80 and look at the 3 girls that stood out, and the coaches were going crazy for. All great shooters, field awareness, stick work, and one who would run circles around most kids on YJ. If they are not committed as of yet! They diffently left a great impression on the coaches in attendance. As some of the coaches gave special attention on field #2 to numbers 7,46, and #54 that kid is something to watch. And my daughters A team TG coach was there, a bit surprising but still an excellent event.


Of course SS was there, for $5,000 she will also come to your house for three hours
i dont kno why you're singling SS out. They all out the money in their pockets fool

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Left Maryland last weekend to attend Sunday night and well worth it. Prime time and Lax Clash were a waste. Especially Lax Clash, No competition to speak of. Rather have my kid one of 80 in front of 15 head coaches then 1 of several hundred in front of assistants that spend more time on their phone than watching. Although previous poster was correct that many of best players did not attend, a few did shine .Coaches know what they are looking for. Speaking of a Florida Team beating YJ's, a 2020 goalie from Florida was at showcase and was insanely good. good as any I have seen in the class.


You're new to this aren't you? The assistants are looking at the tournament rosters on their phone and taking notes. There are others with tablets if they prefer to carry the extra device. But, there are very few that carry the big binders around in their hands. Those are usually in their backpacks or they just opt not to get one. The coaches that do receive programs/rosters from some teams at fields will usually use those to jot down notes or check to see who is committed because the rosters passed out by the teams are up to date. If you think those assistants that are sitting near you are not paying attention and just texting away to their buddies - you are probably one of those parents spouting off constantly at the refs and trying to coach your kid from the sidelines. We are on our third and last kid in this process/game - the coaches don't need to watch for too long and they also are not concerned about how good your kid is dodging around cones or picking up ground balls at a clinic. They want to see how your kid performs against the Maryland kids or deals with adversity while getting beat by a Maryland team. If your team just rolled over the competition - good, then I hope your daughter won with grace and showed sportsmanship.


The girls,in general, show more Grace and sportsmanship than 90 % of the posters here. Each kid is different each person's process is different. Show some of that Grace and sportsmanship and allow others to do as they see fit without your expert knowledge. If you went to MD this weekend and your kids found it valuable awesome! If you went to the igloo event and your kid found it valuable awesome. To each their own

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beat by the florida team?? the studs got smoked.. funny it is supposed to be a recruiting tournament and YJ had a short bench all weekend.. haaaaaaaaaaa suckers..


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My daughter told me that Florida Select has a handful is 2021s out there as well.

YJ Blue held to just 2 goals.

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You do realize YJ Blue is the lower team they use for the Fall? We spanked their older Blue team 11-1...I knew right away that wasnt their committed team as i know most of them...So dont go out there boasting it was a scrub team!!

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Left Maryland last weekend to attend Sunday night and well worth it. Prime time and Lax Clash were a waste. Especially Lax Clash, No competition to speak of. Rather have my kid one of 80 in front of 15 head coaches then 1 of several hundred in front of assistants that spend more time on their phone than watching. Although previous poster was correct that many of best players did not attend, a few did shine .Coaches know what they are looking for. Speaking of a Florida Team beating YJ's, a 2020 goalie from Florida was at showcase and was insanely good. good as any I have seen in the class.


You're new to this aren't you? The assistants are looking at the tournament rosters on their phone and taking notes. There are others with tablets if they prefer to carry the extra device. But, there are very few that carry the big binders around in their hands. Those are usually in their backpacks or they just opt not to get one. The coaches that do receive programs/rosters from some teams at fields will usually use those to jot down notes or check to see who is committed because the rosters passed out by the teams are up to date. If you think those assistants that are sitting near you are not paying attention and just texting away to their buddies - you are probably one of those parents spouting off constantly at the refs and trying to coach your kid from the sidelines. We are on our third and last kid in this process/game - the coaches don't need to watch for too long and they also are not concerned about how good your kid is dodging around cones or picking up ground balls at a clinic. They want to see how your kid performs against the Maryland kids or deals with adversity while getting beat by a Maryland team. If your team just rolled over the competition - good, then I hope your daughter won with grace and showed sportsmanship.


The girls,in general, show more Grace and sportsmanship than 90 % of the posters here. Each kid is different each person's process is different. Show some of that Grace and sportsmanship and allow others to do as they see fit without your expert knowledge. If you went to MD this weekend and your kids found it valuable awesome! If you went to the igloo event and your kid found it valuable awesome. To each their own


And I don't quite get the money thing. What does it cost to go to a tournament? Hotel/Meals/Milage & gas/tournament fee ... most of the time it approaches $400-$600 anyway, right?

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Several key 2020 kids not there since it was a fall tournament but there is still enough talent to be more competitive. M&D also lost a few games for the same reason

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beat by the florida team?? the studs got smoked.. funny it is supposed to be a recruiting tournament and YJ had a short bench all weekend.. haaaaaaaaaaa suckers..


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Im not a YJ Fan nor am I from LI..but the YJ Blue teams were not their top team by any stretch! That was a C or D team ...so dont get too excited

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Left Maryland last weekend to attend Sunday night and well worth it. Prime time and Lax Clash were a waste. Especially Lax Clash, No competition to speak of. Rather have my kid one of 80 in front of 15 head coaches then 1 of several hundred in front of assistants that spend more time on their phone than watching. Although previous poster was correct that many of best players did not attend, a few did shine .Coaches know what they are looking for. Speaking of a Florida Team beating YJ's, a 2020 goalie from Florida was at showcase and was insanely good. good as any I have seen in the class.


You're new to this aren't you? The assistants are looking at the tournament rosters on their phone and taking notes. There are others with tablets if they prefer to carry the extra device. But, there are very few that carry the big binders around in their hands. Those are usually in their backpacks or they just opt not to get one. The coaches that do receive programs/rosters from some teams at fields will usually use those to jot down notes or check to see who is committed because the rosters passed out by the teams are up to date. If you think those assistants that are sitting near you are not paying attention and just texting away to their buddies - you are probably one of those parents spouting off constantly at the refs and trying to coach your kid from the sidelines. We are on our third and last kid in this process/game - the coaches don't need to watch for too long and they also are not concerned about how good your kid is dodging around cones or picking up ground balls at a clinic. They want to see how your kid performs against the Maryland kids or deals with adversity while getting beat by a Maryland team. If your team just rolled over the competition - good, then I hope your daughter won with grace and showed sportsmanship.


The girls,in general, show more Grace and sportsmanship than 90 % of the posters here. Each kid is different each person's process is different. Show some of that Grace and sportsmanship and allow others to do as they see fit without your expert knowledge. If you went to MD this weekend and your kids found it valuable awesome! If you went to the igloo event and your kid found it valuable awesome. To each their own


And I don't quite get the money thing. What does it cost to go to a tournament? Hotel/Meals/Milage & gas/tournament fee ... most of the time it approaches $400-$600 anyway, right?


For all you newbies to the process: An Elite Camp/Event is when you are chosen and invited. IE: The Elite 120 which truly was with some exceptions the Best of the East Coast top clubs. After the new rule these are money grabs. Notice how many have popped up in the last year? If you r club is on the weaker side I guess spend the money if you think Sally is going to work hard and shine. Otherwise the coaches say Thank you for Shopping...Elite 80? really? I would love to know the make up of that group. Look up the definition of Elite- The Elite 120 was ELITE. Some of the folks who have older kids know what I'm talking about.

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Yes your right....2 commits did not attend.....the other 12 commits were there with others from their A Team. A far cry from a 'scrub' team buddy...stop the excuses....they got beat...no big deal.

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And how do you think that differs from yet another drive down 95? Tournament organizers and club teams say "thanks for shopping".

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The 2020 YJ blue team this past weekend had 18 blue roster players. They were missing 3 girls only. It was YJ’s top 2020 team hands down.

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The Florida team you are talking about is the real deal. Seen them many times . At least 1/3 of team are 21's and believe the kid who committed to Syracuse as an 8th grader is on team . Could be best 2020 in country.They are ballers and not surprised they showed up to beat YJ's.

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well said.......Parents are the problem in most sports

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YJ got beat a Florida Team.......wow....what was the score?

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8-2 is more than a beating, if that was the score.......good for that Florida Team

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I will look for them this week. I saw they are at Mid Atlantic.

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The Florida team you are talking about is the real deal. Seen them many times . At least 1/3 of team are 21's and believe the kid who committed to Syracuse as an 8th grader is on team . Could be best 2020 in country.They are ballers and not surprised they showed up to beat YJ's.


I thought the 2020 Syracuse commit was a YJ player? They are on the YJ commit list?

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2020 Syracuse girl may be best in her class in Florida but not the country. I'm told she was about #6 on depth chart when she played with YJ. Great kid and very good player but not best in the country. Who the heck knows (or cares) who is best in the country anyway with girls playing in every state.

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I honestly do not get why people think winnng games in showcase fall tournaments is some big deal. My older kid played YJ years ago and the fall showcase tournament were all about getting kids recruited , no stalling ,play equal time , even kids playing out of normal position at times because a college coach wanted to get a look at them playing a certain position . The same dopes would come on here claiming some kids did not get in the game blah blah.My younger one does not play YJ for many reasons but go win a championship tournament and then you can brag all you want . We played M&D this fall and I will be the first to say it was not the same team that destroyed us over the summer .

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And let me guess! The club programs are not, thanking you @ Christmas time lol. Oh I get it my little Suzy is committed,or maybe not but still pays for tryouts, for the same team they been playing with for over a decade. Oh I get it. My little Suzy is so good she does “NOT” attend anything without the other club girls because the directors told us not too. And this line, all the good girls only play for YJ. Well you should have attended Sunday’s Elite 80 and look at the 3 girls that stood out, and the coaches were going crazy for. All great shooters, field awareness, stick work, and one who would run circles around most kids on YJ. If they are not committed as of yet! They diffently left a great impression on the coaches in attendance. As some of the coaches gave special attention on field #2 to numbers 7,46, and #54 that kid is something to watch. And my daughters A team TG coach was there, a bit surprising but still an excellent event.


Of course SS was there, for $5,000 she will also come to your house for three hours
i dont kno why you're singling SS out. They all out the money in their pockets fool


Original post said they were surprised to see her there that's why she was referenced, obviously the $5,000 was more important then coaching her TG teams in Maryland that day...

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when did she play with YJ? I heard it was 3-4 years ago.........who cares what she was on the depth chart there at that time.... are you kidding me.......i agree it doesnt matter who the best in the country is.......but she was the best on the fields for the 2020s this last weekend..........I officiated there. I watched the YJ game against the Florida team.....YJ was outplayed on every facet of the game..........every position..........YJ was missing two players ....that's it.......Florida Select was the better team. Sorry.......

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Played YJ two years ago

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when did she play with YJ? I heard it was 3-4 years ago.........who cares what she was on the depth chart there at that time.... are you kidding me.......i agree it doesnt matter who the best in the country is.......but she was the best on the fields for the 2020s this last weekend..........I officiated there. I watched the YJ game against the Florida team.....YJ was outplayed on every facet of the game..........every position..........YJ was missing two players ....that's it.......Florida Select was the better team. Sorry.......


The dream team just isn't that good. Over hyped and do not play as a team.

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And let me guess! The club programs are not, thanking you @ Christmas time lol. Oh I get it my little Suzy is committed,or maybe not but still pays for tryouts, for the same team they been playing with for over a decade. Oh I get it. My little Suzy is so good she does “NOT” attend anything without the other club girls because the directors told us not too. And this line, all the good girls only play for YJ. Well you should have attended Sunday’s Elite 80 and look at the 3 girls that stood out, and the coaches were going crazy for. All great shooters, field awareness, stick work, and one who would run circles around most kids on YJ. If they are not committed as of yet! They diffently left a great impression on the coaches in attendance. As some of the coaches gave special attention on field #2 to numbers 7,46, and #54 that kid is something to watch. And my daughters A team TG coach was there, a bit surprising but still an excellent event.


Of course SS was there, for $5,000 she will also come to your house for three hours
i dont kno why you're singling SS out. They all out the money in their pockets fool


Original post said they were surprised to see her there that's why she was referenced, obviously the $5,000 was more important then coaching her TG teams in Maryland that day...

Maryland tournament got delayed and then canceled on Sunday.

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YJ 2020 dream team has handful of exceptional players and that is it. Mostly average players and below average coaching.

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YJ 2020 dream team has handful of exceptional players and that is it. Mostly average players and below average coaching.



YJ coaching on both 2020 teams has always been lacking. They have some great talent but should do more with what they have. The coaches in that group expect for the TG transfer are all inner circle YJ minions that have played and been with CR fro decades. No way its ever changing. They have made CR a ton of cash

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Are all the girls on this team legit 2020 kids?

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Which team? YJ or the team from Florida?

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Team from Florida has about 7-8 2021's on the roster. They have only 1 team. no A or B. select group of kids. Florida is starting to produce a lot of D1 talent

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Are all the girls on this team legit 2020 kids?


The Cuse commit is a holdback for sure, played with them on the Under Armour team this summer. Many of the GA and FL girls were older for 2020 and 2021.

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Hahaha YJ. I know in showcases it’s not about winning or losing. But to lose to a team with 7-8 21s on the Florida team. HSF

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Are all the girls on this team legit 2020 kids?


The Cuse commit is a holdback for sure, played with them on the Under Armour team this summer. Many of the GA and FL girls were older for 2020 and 2021.


Everyone outside of LI is a holdback. Where have you been?

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And they are probably on HGH.....lol. Must be the reason YJ lost.

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Hahaha YJ. I know in showcases it’s not about winning or losing. But to lose to a team with 7-8 21s on the Florida team. HSF


Shes a holdback should be with 2019's!!!! Everyone knows it! And that YJ team is not their real team you idiots...and im not a YJ fan

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Hahaha YJ. I know in showcases it’s not about winning or losing. But to lose to a team with 7-8 21s on the Florida team. HSF


Shes a holdback should be with 2019's!!!! Everyone knows it! And that YJ team is not their real team you idiots...and im not a YJ fan


Does it really matter now? Who cares if the holdbacks have their advantage now - the at-age girls will catch up when it matters most. When they are in college this supposed advantage will not matter anymore. We'll see who's getting the Tewaaraton awards.

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I don't know it.......Please send me a copy of the birth certificate.......

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i think she was born in KENYA

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JAJA
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Covfefe.

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Any parent that holds their kid back for, wait for it... women's lacrosse, should really be looked in to. Its a dead end sport that no one really cares about except us parents of players.

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Any parent that holds their kid back for, wait for it... women's lacrosse, should really be looked in to. Its a dead end sport that no one really cares about except us parents of players.



The same goes for every other college sport. So whats your point.

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So I hear this hold back conversation. What is considered a holdback?

1) A kid when she is 6 starts kindergarten late when a parent has no clue if he/she will be a dancer/athlete/musician?

2) A kid who's parents hold them back when they are 6-7th grade to possibly gain a in sports or any other activity.

I can see a little frustration by parents on two. But on one I really don't see how you can the kid was held back on purpose by parent.

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Of course it's the real YJ team. Look online at the tourney roster and the team roster. There may be a few other girls on the tourney roste but mainly the full yjA roster! they got crushed. Maybe they had a bad day , maybe they just got beat by a better team. . FL beat skywalkers as well. FL girls are holdbacjs too?

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First of all if she was held back, you have no idea why she was (and if she even was). I know people that have held their kid back because they were the youngest in the grade (based on the cutoff). The kid was a genius Got a full academic ride for school. Double major and now is off to get his masters. Boy can you believe it. The horror.

The hate on this site is crazy. As a HS soccer coach (and no, I do not coach my kids) the parents push their kids out of sports. I was at CI this last weekend and parents make this more important than it is. Kids are kids. Stop pretending this is about them when you parents are living through them.

It really is embarrassing to see parents at all of these showcases. My favorite is when I see parents laying into their kids at the parking lot after the game.

I am on my way to the mid Atlantic and I will go watch this Florida team to see what their story is. And if they are the real deal, I will report back.



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So I hear this hold back conversation. What is considered a holdback?

1) A kid when she is 6 starts kindergarten late when a parent has no clue if he/she will be a dancer/athlete/musician?

2) A kid who's parents hold them back when they are 6-7th grade to possibly gain a in sports or any other activity.

I can see a little frustration by parents on two. But on one I really don't see how you can the kid was held back on purpose by parent.






3) A parent who holds their kid back knowing it’s an advantage both in the classroom and athletic field who had no other reason to do so at the time ie kid was meeting all physical and mental mile stones.

Yes the Florida kid is a holdback being more than a full year older than many of the other 2020 players , that said YJ should keep their mouths shut as they have a few also.

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Good for that parent.

Haters gonna hate hate hate hate

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Of course it's the real YJ team. Look online at the tourney roster and the team roster. There may be a few other girls on the tourney roste but mainly the full yjA roster! they got crushed. Maybe they had a bad day , maybe they just got beat by a better team. . FL beat skywalkers as well. FL girls are holdbacjs too?



Skywalkers also lost to TG 11-7

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I guess I have never heard of a parent say that kid is a holdback that is why he is smarter than my kid. LOL.

You would think we would hear that a lot as academics and grades are much more important than your lax ability. Except of course here on Long Island.

I hope people can enjoy the game there kids are playing,stop bashing others and make sure they do their homework in between games as that is what matters.

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Any parent that holds their kid back for, wait for it... women's lacrosse, should really be looked in to. Its a dead end sport that no one really cares about except us parents of players.



The same goes for every other college sport. So whats your point.


There is some money to be made in men's football, basketball and baseball and maybe a little soccer for those 1 in a million players.

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Any parent that holds their kid back for, wait for it... women's lacrosse, should really be looked in to. Its a dead end sport that no one really cares about except us parents of players.



The same goes for every other college sport. So whats your point.


There is some money to be made in men's football, basketball and baseball and maybe a little soccer for those 1 in a million players.


Really.....lets take a look,

Since BOTC is always fact based lets see the facts. % o college players turning pro

**M Baseball-9%-Caveat is minor leagues are considered pro ball
M Basketball-1%
W Basketball-1%
Football-1.5%
MHockey-5.6%-Caveat is minor league hockey is considered pro
M Soccer-1.5%

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First you need to consider how few kids even make it to D-1 college sports.

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Any parent that holds their kid back for, wait for it... women's lacrosse, should really be looked in to. Its a dead end sport that no one really cares about except us parents of players.



The same goes for every other college sport. So whats your point.


There is some money to be made in men's football, basketball and baseball and maybe a little soccer for those 1 in a million players.


Really.....lets take a look,

Since BOTC is always fact based lets see the facts. % o college players turning pro

**M Baseball-9%-Caveat is minor leagues are considered pro ball
M Basketball-1%
W Basketball-1%
Football-1.5%
MHockey-5.6%-Caveat is minor league hockey is considered pro
M Soccer-1.5%



I think it said 1 in a million players so that ties to your percentages above but no matter how you slice it there is no real women' professional lacrosse league. There is a league that pays them gas money but that's about it. So holdback for what? Anybody can be a high school of club summer coach if that is your dream.

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Any parent that holds their kid back for, wait for it... women's lacrosse, should really be looked in to. Its a dead end sport that no one really cares about except us parents of players.



The same goes for every other college sport. So whats your point.


There is some money to be made in men's football, basketball and baseball and maybe a little soccer for those 1 in a million players.


Really.....lets take a look,

Since BOTC is always fact based lets see the facts. % o college players turning pro

**M Baseball-9%-Caveat is minor leagues are considered pro ball
M Basketball-1%
W Basketball-1%
Football-1.5%
MHockey-5.6%-Caveat is minor league hockey is considered pro
M Soccer-1.5%



I think it said 1 in a million players so that ties to your percentages above but no matter how you slice it there is no real women' professional lacrosse league. There is a league that pays them gas money but that's about it. So holdback for what? Anybody can be a high school of club summer coach if that is your dream.


Holdback so my daughter has a better shot at Harvard and will be on a better track for life than yours

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Si. JAJA.

WHO CARES ?????? At the end of the day.

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So how was the mid Atlantic? What teams did well? How was the showcase?

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Of course it's the real YJ team. Look online at the tourney roster and the team roster. There may be a few other girls on the tourney roste but mainly the full yjA roster! they got crushed. Maybe they had a bad day , maybe they just got beat by a better team. . FL beat skywalkers as well. FL girls are holdbacjs too?



Skywalkers also lost to TG 11-7


And Liberty took down TG 2020 Black this weekend

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Of course it's the real YJ team. Look online at the tourney roster and the team roster. There may be a few other girls on the tourney roste but mainly the full yjA roster! they got crushed. Maybe they had a bad day , maybe they just got beat by a better team. . FL beat skywalkers as well. FL girls are holdbacjs too?



Skywalkers also lost to TG 11-7


And Liberty took down TG 2020 Black this weekend


Not only did Liberty take down 2020 Black the Liberty 2019 Team took down TG 2019 Black 14-2. My daughter plays for another LI club (Elevate) and I watched parts of both of these games as I like to watch the LI teams play. Liberty is a very well coached club and now doubt falls right behind YJ in many age groups.

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YJ Curcio still a nightmare, picture has gotten much clearer. Parents out weigh coach I guess, the lynch mob that went to CR got their way. Studs only play and we play to win regardless that its a showcase or championship formats.

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Of course it's the real YJ team. Look online at the tourney roster and the team roster. There may be a few other girls on the tourney roste but mainly the full yjA roster! they got crushed. Maybe they had a bad day , maybe they just got beat by a better team. . FL beat skywalkers as well. FL girls are holdbacjs too?



Skywalkers also lost to TG 11-7


And Liberty took down TG 2020 Black this weekend


Not only did Liberty take down 2020 Black the Liberty 2019 Team took down TG 2019 Black 14-2. My daughter plays for another LI club (Elevate) and I watched parts of both of these games as I like to watch the LI teams play. Liberty is a very well coached club and now doubt falls right behind YJ in many age groups.


Liberty is such a great program with such great coaching that it can't even fill 2 teams per grade/year!! Players have given up with this club. Especially the negativity of DG. just terrible.,

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Of course it's the real YJ team. Look online at the tourney roster and the team roster. There may be a few other girls on the tourney roste but mainly the full yjA roster! they got crushed. Maybe they had a bad day , maybe they just got beat by a better team. . FL beat skywalkers as well. FL girls are holdbacjs too?



Skywalkers also lost to TG 11-7


And Liberty took down TG 2020 Black this weekend


Not only did Liberty take down 2020 Black the Liberty 2019 Team took down TG 2019 Black 14-2. My daughter plays for another LI club (Elevate) and I watched parts of both of these games as I like to watch the LI teams play. Liberty is a very well coached club and now doubt falls right behind YJ in many age groups.


Liberty is such a great program with such great coaching that it can't even fill 2 teams per grade/year!! Players have given up with this club. Especially the negativity of DG. just terrible.,
Let let you in on a secret about Liberty, D.G., To my knowledge, never wanted to to field even a second team. She wants to concentrate on a single team per age group. My daughter came up through Liberty, and I don't know a single parent that has, or had a daughter play for liberty, that will say D.G has a negative tendencies . To say that she is unfair because she has a lot of girls from 'set is the same as saying that Bertalone is unfair because he take a lot of girls from M.S.or rose is unfair because she takes a lot of girls from N.P.or that Thorn is unfair because she takes a lot from ESM. Yes she pushed for her 'set girls more actively, but that is understandable because she's also there H.S. coach. Why don't you Y.J. drones say the same about the afore mentioned Y.J. coaches, they do the same thing? Her help for my daughter went beyond anything I ever imagined a club coach would do for her and believe me, we don't live in 'set. Stop spreading misinformation about a club and coach your daughter obviesoly never played for. And HA HA YOU GOT BEAT BY THEM

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Any parent that holds their kid back for, wait for it... women's lacrosse, should really be looked in to. Its a dead end sport that no one really cares about except us parents of players.



The same goes for every other college sport. So whats your point.


There is some money to be made in men's football, basketball and baseball and maybe a little soccer for those 1 in a million players.


Really.....lets take a look,

Since BOTC is always fact based lets see the facts. % o college players turning pro

**M Baseball-9%-Caveat is minor leagues are considered pro ball
M Basketball-1%
W Basketball-1%
Football-1.5%
MHockey-5.6%-Caveat is minor league hockey is considered pro
M Soccer-1.5%



I think it said 1 in a million players so that ties to your percentages above but no matter how you slice it there is no real women' professional lacrosse league. There is a league that pays them gas money but that's about it. So holdback for what? Anybody can be a high school of club summer coach if that is your dream.


Holdback so my daughter has a better shot at Harvard and will be on a better track for life than yours


Funny! Most crazy holdback parents are worried about sending their kids to powerhouse lacrosse programs, not powerhouse academic institutions. I don't know the answer to this but how do ivies view holdbacks? I would think they would like 16 year doogie howsers doctors over lacrosse players

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YJ Curcio still a nightmare, picture has gotten much clearer. Parents out weigh coach I guess, the lynch mob that went to CR got their way. Studs only play and we play to win regardless that its a showcase or championship formats.


No different at TG!

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well said....that is all that matters....i agree

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YJ Curcio still a nightmare, picture has gotten much clearer. Parents out weigh coach I guess, the lynch mob that went to CR got their way. Studs only play and we play to win regardless that its a showcase or championship formats.


You are either a troll trying to start trouble or a completely ill informed flaccid looser. Lynch mob that went to CR , please tell us about that and what was said , you really are a loser .

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YJ Curcio still a nightmare, picture has gotten much clearer. Parents out weigh coach I guess, the lynch mob that went to CR got their way. Studs only play and we play to win regardless that its a showcase or championship formats.


You are either a troll trying to start trouble or a completely ill informed flaccid looser. Lynch mob that went to CR , please tell us about that and what was said , you really are a loser .


I guess that you were not part of the mob that informed CR that they still want to win at all costs and that equal playing time wasn't an option - I guess we know where your kid is in the pecking order

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Of course it's the real YJ team. Look online at the tourney roster and the team roster. There may be a few other girls on the tourney roste but mainly the full yjA roster! they got crushed. Maybe they had a bad day , maybe they just got beat by a better team. . FL beat skywalkers as well. FL girls are holdbacjs too?



Skywalkers also lost to TG 11-7


And Liberty took down TG 2020 Black this weekend


Not only did Liberty take down 2020 Black the Liberty 2019 Team took down TG 2019 Black 14-2. My daughter plays for another LI club (Elevate) and I watched parts of both of these games as I like to watch the LI teams play. Liberty is a very well coached club and now doubt falls right behind YJ in many age groups.




Stop that was not TG 2019 Black at T3

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so i got to see that Florida team play........wow....great chemistry....very impressed.

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[quote=Anonymous]YJ Curcio still a nightmare, picture has gotten much clearer. Parents out weigh coach I guess, the lynch mob that went to CR got their way. Studs only play and we play to win regardless that its a showcase or championship formats.


You are either a troll trying to start trouble or a completely ill informed flaccid looser. Lynch mob that went to CR , please tell us about that and what was said , you really are a loser .


I guess that you were not part of the mob that informed CR that they still want to win at all costs and that equal playing time wasn't an option - I guess we know
where your kid is in the pecking order[/quot

So what your saying is several parents went to CR to complain about your kid playing and you knew about it and your such a placid loser you say nothing to these people . Not sure what’s worse that you make up this story with no facts or you portray yourself as such a loser who refuses to advocate for your kid when she is being treated like a doormat , what a loser either way.

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Of course it's the real YJ team. Look online at the tourney roster and the team roster. There may be a few other girls on the tourney roste but mainly the full yjA roster! they got crushed. Maybe they had a bad day , maybe they just got beat by a better team. . FL beat skywalkers as well. FL girls are holdbacjs too?



Skywalkers also lost to TG 11-7


And Liberty took down TG 2020 Black this weekend


Not only did Liberty take down 2020 Black the Liberty 2019 Team took down TG 2019 Black 14-2. My daughter plays for another LI club (Elevate) and I watched parts of both of these games as I like to watch the LI teams play. Liberty is a very well coached club and now doubt falls right behind YJ in many age groups.




Stop that was not TG 2019 Black at T3

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Of course it's the real YJ team. Look online at the tourney roster and the team roster. There may be a few other girls on the tourney roste but mainly the full yjA roster! they got crushed. Maybe they had a bad day , maybe they just got beat by a better team. . FL beat skywalkers as well. FL girls are holdbacjs too?



Skywalkers also lost to TG 11-7


And Liberty took down TG 2020 Black this weekend


Not only did Liberty take down 2020 Black the Liberty 2019 Team took down TG 2019 Black 14-2. My daughter plays for another LI club (Elevate) and I watched parts of both of these games as I like to watch the LI teams play. Liberty is a very well coached club and now doubt falls right behind YJ in many age groups.




Stop that was not TG 2019 Black at T3


That was definitely the Purple team. Waste of time for both teams.

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Of course it's the real YJ team. Look online at the tourney roster and the team roster. There may be a few other girls on the tourney roste but mainly the full yjA roster! they got crushed. Maybe they had a bad day , maybe they just got beat by a better team. . FL beat skywalkers as well. FL girls are holdbacjs too?



Skywalkers also lost to TG 11-7


And Liberty took down TG 2020 Black this weekend


Not only did Liberty take down 2020 Black the Liberty 2019 Team took down TG 2019 Black 14-2. My daughter plays for another LI club (Elevate) and I watched parts of both of these games as I like to watch the LI teams play. Liberty is a very well coached club and now doubt falls right behind YJ in many age groups.




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Of course it's the real YJ team. Look online at the tourney roster and the team roster. There may be a few other girls on the tourney roste but mainly the full yjA roster! they got crushed. Maybe they had a bad day , maybe they just got beat by a better team. . FL beat skywalkers as well. FL girls are holdbacjs too?



Skywalkers also lost to TG 11-7


And Liberty took down TG 2020 Black this weekend


Not only did Liberty take down 2020 Black the Liberty 2019 Team took down TG 2019 Black 14-2. My daughter plays for another LI club (Elevate) and I watched parts of both of these games as I like to watch the LI teams play. Liberty is a very well coached club and now doubt falls right behind YJ in many age groups.




Stop that was not TG 2019 Black at T3


That was definitely the Purple team. Waste of time for both teams.
that was the purple team with a few uncommitted black. The purple team cannot compete with the teams they faced in the fall. Too high level for them

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what was sad about the Curcio team is that she played the studs when the non committed players sat on the sidelines while college coaches watched the game, which most left at halftime as there was not need to watch the game knowing she was playing a short bench... and her team still lost to M&D Black again. The formula of playing kids out of position is not working. They beat the average team but will lost to the top teams. It has been this way for 2 years now and there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

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You were told this in a massive group me message the day another summer season went in the crapper.

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yes, and the point was.. 2 years ago when Curcio played all the girls equally, they use to beat up on M&D Black.. now with her new " coaching" philosophy of play to win at all cost.. they have not won anything or beaten a meaningful team in 2 years . While all the other teams sub out, you have to see the gassed middies not being able to get back and help on defense which puts the defense in a bad situation .. then switch middies with attack and defense.. not realizing that attack players cant man up and defend, don't know now to slide or communicate on defense.. they only know how to ride... M&D embarrassed them again.. they seem to have it right.. they play everyone equally. and in the last game on Sunday.. which was a SHOWCASE game.. M&D played their backup goalie who was not committed 3/4 of the game to get her looks.. that is what a real organization who cares about their players do... gets all the kids looks.. Good luck with the summer of 2018.. wont be any different than the summer of 2016 or 2017. Oh and can't wait for certain girls who wont show up to the " mandatory " winter practices.. while Curcio said if you don't show up you wont play.. how she will enforce that??? she didn't enforce it this weekend I can tell you that.

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Of course it's the real YJ team. Look online at the tourney roster and the team roster. There may be a few other girls on the tourney roste but mainly the full yjA roster! they got crushed. Maybe they had a bad day , maybe they just got beat by a better team. . FL beat skywalkers as well. FL girls are holdbacjs too?



Skywalkers also lost to TG 11-7


And Liberty took down TG 2020 Black this weekend


Not only did Liberty take down 2020 Black the Liberty 2019 Team took down TG 2019 Black 14-2. My daughter plays for another LI club (Elevate) and I watched parts of both of these games as I like to watch the LI teams play. Liberty is a very well coached club and now doubt falls right behind YJ in many age groups.


Liberty is such a great program with such great coaching that it can't even fill 2 teams per grade/year!! Players have given up with this club. Especially the negativity of DG. just terrible.,
Let let you in on a secret about Liberty, D.G., To my knowledge, never wanted to to field even a second team. She wants to concentrate on a single team per age group. My daughter came up through Liberty, and I don't know a single parent that has, or had a daughter play for liberty, that will say D.G has a negative tendencies . To say that she is unfair because she has a lot of girls from 'set is the same as saying that Bertalone is unfair because he take a lot of girls from M.S.or rose is unfair because she takes a lot of girls from N.P.or that Thorn is unfair because she takes a lot from ESM. Yes she pushed for her 'set girls more actively, but that is understandable because she's also there H.S. coach. Why don't you Y.J. drones say the same about the afore mentioned Y.J. coaches, they do the same thing? Her help for my daughter went beyond anything I ever imagined a club coach would do for her and believe me, we don't live in 'set. Stop spreading misinformation about a club and coach your daughter obviesoly never played for. And HA HA YOU GOT BEAT BY THEM


"Let let you in on a secret about Liberty, D.G., To my knowledge, never wanted to field even a second team. She wants to concentrate on a single team per age group. "

So..what does that say about DG?...that she is duplicitous in fielding 2 teams at multiple age groups, when according to you, she just wants to concentrate on ONE team per age group? So all these years, we have been duped....hmmmm

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yes, and the point was.. 2 years ago when Curcio played all the girls equally, they use to beat up on M&D Black.. now with her new " coaching" philosophy of play to win at all cost.. they have not won anything or beaten a meaningful team in 2 years . While all the other teams sub out, you have to see the gassed middies not being able to get back and help on defense which puts the defense in a bad situation .. then switch middies with attack and defense.. not realizing that attack players cant man up and defend, don't know now to slide or communicate on defense.. they only know how to ride... M&D embarrassed them again.. they seem to have it right.. they play everyone equally. and in the last game on Sunday.. which was a SHOWCASE game.. M&D played their backup goalie who was not committed 3/4 of the game to get her looks.. that is what a real organization who cares about their players do... gets all the kids looks.. Good luck with the summer of 2018.. wont be any different than the summer of 2016 or 2017. Oh and can't wait for certain girls who wont show up to the " mandatory " winter practices.. while Curcio said if you don't show up you wont play.. how she will enforce that??? she didn't enforce it this weekend I can tell you that.


Nobody cares in that group, that whole me first group is committed. They paid into the devil, they had bad coaching, the parents are terrible to be around but at the end they all got exactly what they wanted, a verbal commitment. Good for the girls but its still toxic club and hideous parents. Those parents embrace being disliked

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yes, and the point was.. 2 years ago when Curcio played all the girls equally, they use to beat up on M&D Black.. now with her new " coaching" philosophy of play to win at all cost.. they have not won anything or beaten a meaningful team in 2 years . While all the other teams sub out, you have to see the gassed middies not being able to get back and help on defense which puts the defense in a bad situation .. then switch middies with attack and defense.. not realizing that attack players cant man up and defend, don't know now to slide or communicate on defense.. they only know how to ride... M&D embarrassed them again.. they seem to have it right.. they play everyone equally. and in the last game on Sunday.. which was a SHOWCASE game.. M&D played their backup goalie who was not committed 3/4 of the game to get her looks.. that is what a real organization who cares about their players do... gets all the kids looks.. Good luck with the summer of 2018.. wont be any different than the summer of 2016 or 2017. Oh and can't wait for certain girls who wont show up to the " mandatory " winter practices.. while Curcio said if you don't show up you wont play.. how she will enforce that??? she didn't enforce it this weekend I can tell you that.


Here is the problem with your nonsense, you obviously are just some douchie pot stirrer with no kid on the team , if you had a kid on the team you would realize that they beat MD last weekend so they have traded wins vs MD in the fall. When you get that basic fact wrong everything else you say is just obviously bs. Go back to the hole you crawled out of.

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yes, and the point was.. 2 years ago when Curcio played all the girls equally, they use to beat up on M&D Black.. now with her new " coaching" philosophy of play to win at all cost.. they have not won anything or beaten a meaningful team in 2 years . While all the other teams sub out, you have to see the gassed middies not being able to get back and help on defense which puts the defense in a bad situation .. then switch middies with attack and defense.. not realizing that attack players cant man up and defend, don't know now to slide or communicate on defense.. they only know how to ride... M&D embarrassed them again.. they seem to have it right.. they play everyone equally. and in the last game on Sunday.. which was a SHOWCASE game.. M&D played their backup goalie who was not committed 3/4 of the game to get her looks.. that is what a real organization who cares about their players do... gets all the kids looks.. Good luck with the summer of 2018.. wont be any different than the summer of 2016 or 2017. Oh and can't wait for certain girls who wont show up to the " mandatory " winter practices.. while Curcio said if you don't show up you wont play.. how she will enforce that??? she didn't enforce it this weekend I can tell you that.


Here is the problem with your nonsense, you obviously are just some douchie pot stirrer with no kid on the team , if you had a kid on the team you would realize that they beat MD last weekend so they have traded wins vs MD in the fall. When you get that basic fact wrong everything else you say is just obviously bs. Go back to the hole you crawled out of.


I don't have a dog in this but if someone is quoting "mandatory" winter practices and other information it sounds like its coming from your own team. So calling someone a childish name kind of puts you on that same level. Maybe its just as simple as other teams are better or perhaps the poster is correct the new coaching philosophy doesn't work. Facts are your "team" doesn't win nearly as much as they used too, the philosophy was in the past was somewhat of a "team" defenders played defense, middies played midfield and attackers played attack. Now you have attackers that can't score or feed, middies who are gassed and defenders who well God only knows, I don't even want to get into your goalie situation. So have fun killing each other and yes your star parents have made a stink to both your coach and CR its not a secret....... its not working but its not a secret

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yes, and the point was.. 2 years ago when Curcio played all the girls equally, they use to beat up on M&D Black.. now with her new " coaching" philosophy of play to win at all cost.. they have not won anything or beaten a meaningful team in 2 years . While all the other teams sub out, you have to see the gassed middies not being able to get back and help on defense which puts the defense in a bad situation .. then switch middies with attack and defense.. not realizing that attack players cant man up and defend, don't know now to slide or communicate on defense.. they only know how to ride... M&D embarrassed them again.. they seem to have it right.. they play everyone equally. and in the last game on Sunday.. which was a SHOWCASE game.. M&D played their backup goalie who was not committed 3/4 of the game to get her looks.. that is what a real organization who cares about their players do... gets all the kids looks.. Good luck with the summer of 2018.. wont be any different than the summer of 2016 or 2017. Oh and can't wait for certain girls who wont show up to the " mandatory " winter practices.. while Curcio said if you don't show up you wont play.. how she will enforce that??? she didn't enforce it this weekend I can tell you that.


Here is the problem with your nonsense, you obviously are just some douchie pot stirrer with no kid on the team , if you had a kid on the team you would realize that they beat MD last weekend so they have traded wins vs MD in the fall. When you get that basic fact wrong everything else you say is just obviously bs. Go back to the hole you crawled out of.


I don't have a dog in this but if someone is quoting "mandatory" winter practices and other information it sounds like its coming from your own team. So calling someone a childish name kind of puts you on that same level. Maybe its just as simple as other teams are better or perhaps the poster is correct the new coaching philosophy doesn't work. Facts are your "team" doesn't win nearly as much as they used too, the philosophy was in the past was somewhat of a "team" defenders played defense, middies played midfield and attackers played attack. Now you have attackers that can't score or feed, middies who are gassed and defenders who well God only knows, I don't even want to get into your goalie situation. So have fun killing each other and yes your star parents have made a stink to both your coach and CR its not a secret....... its not working but its not a secret


For someone who does not have a dog in this fight you sure pretend to know way too much which makes you a bit of a stalker or just a liar. The poster was called douchie because they are just flat out making up nonsense. Wow they split games with MD in fall showcase tournaments and you are acting like its some horrible team. Honestly if Curcio told them at the end of last season what to expect moving forward and she has stuck to her word then good for her . If that is the case they should shut their mouths because they were told what was to come. If she went back on her word than people would have something to complain about. That said I watched them play last week and in no way did they seem to be playing to win at all costs so this seems to be a couple disgruntled parents acting like cowards instead of speaking directly with the coach.

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2020's with CR Curcio and Jones have rode the gravy train for almost 9-10 years with this group. If I was part of that group and still not committed I would be screaming my head off because wins don't matter at this point but playing time does as kids try to get college looks.

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yes, and the point was.. 2 years ago when Curcio played all the girls equally, they use to beat up on M&D Black.. now with her new " coaching" philosophy of play to win at all cost.. they have not won anything or beaten a meaningful team in 2 years . While all the other teams sub out, you have to see the gassed middies not being able to get back and help on defense which puts the defense in a bad situation .. then switch middies with attack and defense.. not realizing that attack players cant man up and defend, don't know now to slide or communicate on defense.. they only know how to ride... M&D embarrassed them again.. they seem to have it right.. they play everyone equally. and in the last game on Sunday.. which was a SHOWCASE game.. M&D played their backup goalie who was not committed 3/4 of the game to get her looks.. that is what a real organization who cares about their players do... gets all the kids looks.. Good luck with the summer of 2018.. wont be any different than the summer of 2016 or 2017. Oh and can't wait for certain girls who wont show up to the " mandatory " winter practices.. while Curcio said if you don't show up you wont play.. how she will enforce that??? she didn't enforce it this weekend I can tell you that.


Here is the problem with your nonsense, you obviously are just some douchie pot stirrer with no kid on the team , if you had a kid on the team you would realize that they beat MD last weekend so they have traded wins vs MD in the fall. When you get that basic fact wrong everything else you say is just obviously bs. Go back to the hole you crawled out of.


I don't have a dog in this but if someone is quoting "mandatory" winter practices and other information it sounds like its coming from your own team. So calling someone a childish name kind of puts you on that same level. Maybe its just as simple as other teams are better or perhaps the poster is correct the new coaching philosophy doesn't work. Facts are your "team" doesn't win nearly as much as they used too, the philosophy was in the past was somewhat of a "team" defenders played defense, middies played midfield and attackers played attack. Now you have attackers that can't score or feed, middies who are gassed and defenders who well God only knows, I don't even want to get into your goalie situation. So have fun killing each other and yes your star parents have made a stink to both your coach and CR its not a secret....... its not working but its not a secret


For someone who does not have a dog in this fight you sure pretend to know way too much which makes you a bit of a stalker or just a liar. The poster was called douchie because they are just flat out making up nonsense. Wow they split games with MD in fall showcase tournaments and you are acting like its some horrible team. Honestly if Curcio told them at the end of last season what to expect moving forward and she has stuck to her word then good for her . If that is the case they should shut their mouths because they were told what was to come. If she went back on her word than people would have something to complain about. That said I watched them play last week and in no way did they seem to be playing to win at all costs so this seems to be a couple disgruntled parents acting like cowards instead of speaking directly with the coach.

Excuse me but aren't you doing the same thing as the "dog fighter" how would you know its "nonsense" you are commenting like you are not on the team; and yes you have many disgruntled parents on that team including "stud" parents as well as parents of "uncommitted". You and your parents are the problem big mouths and you go spewing your stories all over YJ period. So stop talking the high road big mouths from immature parents and club owner and coach who have there priorities in the wrong places.

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"Excuse me but aren't you doing the same thing as the "dog fighter" how would you know its "nonsense" you are commenting like you are not on the team; and yes you have many disgruntled parents on that team including "stud" parents as well as parents of "uncommitted". You and your parents are the problem big mouths and you go spewing your stories all over YJ period. So stop talking the high road big mouths from immature parents and club owner and coach who have there priorities in the wrong places."

Actually I was just going on the info on this site and the 20 minutes of a game I watched while my daughters team warmed up. I know its nonsense because I know they beat MD this fall so after that anything that poster says has to be considered unreliable at best. I think its hilarious that some of you morons just don't see how ridiculous your comments are. Say what you want but looking at their list of commits tells me that in getting kids committed there is no better team in the age group so the way Curcio is running the team is working out just fine for the kids on the team, results don't lie. You all come on with subjective criticism and nothing concrete that can actually be checked but when you look at the facts its trolls that team is doing great.

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"Excuse me but aren't you doing the same thing as the "dog fighter" how would you know its "nonsense" you are commenting like you are not on the team; and yes you have many disgruntled parents on that team including "stud" parents as well as parents of "uncommitted". You and your parents are the problem big mouths and you go spewing your stories all over YJ period. So stop talking the high road big mouths from immature parents and club owner and coach who have there priorities in the wrong places."

Actually I was just going on the info on this site and the 20 minutes of a game I watched while my daughters team warmed up. I know its nonsense because I know they beat MD this fall so after that anything that poster says has to be considered unreliable at best. I think its hilarious that some of you morons just don't see how ridiculous your comments are. Say what you want but looking at their list of commits tells me that in getting kids committed there is no better team in the age group so the way Curcio is running the team is working out just fine for the kids on the team, results don't lie. You all come on with subjective criticism and nothing concrete that can actually be checked but when you look at the facts its trolls that team is doing great.



Dont you two idiots get it? it doesnt matter who won or lost in these games!!!! the Coaches dont care! The coaches are coming to these better teams games to watch individual players!! who gives a rats [lacrosse] who wins! I get it... you like to wear your kids club teams sweatshirts around and pound your chests at the bar! In the end all that matters is are the coaches coming to watch your team! Then its up to Sally to perform as a team player!

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what was sad about the Curcio team is that she played the studs when the non committed players sat on the sidelines while college coaches watched the game, which most left at halftime as there was not need to watch the game knowing she was playing a short bench... and her team still lost to M&D Black again. The formula of playing kids out of position is not working. They beat the average team but will lost to the top teams. It has been this way for 2 years now and there is no light at the end of the tunnel.


the light at the end of the tunnel is that you have one more year after this to act like an [lacrosse] and then you can troll college teams and coaches

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yes, and the point was.. 2 years ago when Curcio played all the girls equally, they use to beat up on M&D Black.. now with her new " coaching" philosophy of play to win at all cost.. they have not won anything or beaten a meaningful team in 2 years . While all the other teams sub out, you have to see the gassed middies not being able to get back and help on defense which puts the defense in a bad situation .. then switch middies with attack and defense.. not realizing that attack players cant man up and defend, don't know now to slide or communicate on defense.. they only know how to ride... M&D embarrassed them again.. they seem to have it right.. they play everyone equally. and in the last game on Sunday.. which was a SHOWCASE game.. M&D played their backup goalie who was not committed 3/4 of the game to get her looks.. that is what a real organization who cares about their players do... gets all the kids looks.. Good luck with the summer of 2018.. wont be any different than the summer of 2016 or 2017. Oh and can't wait for certain girls who wont show up to the " mandatory " winter practices.. while Curcio said if you don't show up you wont play.. how she will enforce that??? she didn't enforce it this weekend I can tell you that.


Here is the problem with your nonsense, you obviously are just some douchie pot stirrer with no kid on the team , if you had a kid on the team you would realize that they beat MD last weekend so they have traded wins vs MD in the fall. When you get that basic fact wrong everything else you say is just obviously bs. Go back to the hole you crawled out of.


I don't have a dog in this but if someone is quoting "mandatory" winter practices and other information it sounds like its coming from your own team. So calling someone a childish name kind of puts you on that same level. Maybe its just as simple as other teams are better or perhaps the poster is correct the new coaching philosophy doesn't work. Facts are your "team" doesn't win nearly as much as they used too, the philosophy was in the past was somewhat of a "team" defenders played defense, middies played midfield and attackers played attack. Now you have attackers that can't score or feed, middies who are gassed and defenders who well God only knows, I don't even want to get into your goalie situation. So have fun killing each other and yes your star parents have made a stink to both your coach and CR its not a secret....... its not working but its not a secret


For someone who does not have a dog in this fight you sure pretend to know way too much which makes you a bit of a stalker or just a liar. The poster was called douchie because they are just flat out making up nonsense. Wow they split games with MD in fall showcase tournaments and you are acting like its some horrible team. Honestly if Curcio told them at the end of last season what to expect moving forward and she has stuck to her word then good for her . If that is the case they should shut their mouths because they were told what was to come. If she went back on her word than people would have something to complain about. That said I watched them play last week and in no way did they seem to be playing to win at all costs so this seems to be a couple disgruntled parents acting like cowards instead of speaking directly with the coach.

Excuse me but aren't you doing the same thing as the "dog fighter" how would you know its "nonsense" you are commenting like you are not on the team; and yes you have many disgruntled parents on that team including "stud" parents as well as parents of "uncommitted". You and your parents are the problem big mouths and you go spewing your stories all over YJ period. So stop talking the high road big mouths from immature parents and club owner and coach who have there priorities in the wrong places.


you actually have a parent recruiting (or attempting to) for his kids college team so that she will have some "decent pieces" around her, that's how crazy the dynamic is with this team

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?? No one but you have any idea what this is in response to. What college has a recruit parent recruiting for them or is this just some more made up nonsense.

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The YJ team and its coach are in a difficult spot with so many girls committed and wanting to compete at a high level, while still having a handful of kids mostly on defense still trying to get seen and committed. I don't envy the position the coach is in. For every player and family that is happy there are several that are disappointed and I don't see that ever changing. There has to be a better way of doing things if they really care about the kids. Why not limit fall events to kids not committed from various YJ teams. Do the committed kids really need to play in fall tournaments.

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The YJ team and its coach are in a difficult spot with so many girls committed and wanting to compete at a high level, while still having a handful of kids mostly on defense still trying to get seen and committed. I don't envy the position the coach is in. For every player and family that is happy there are several that are disappointed and I don't see that ever changing. There has to be a better way of doing things if they really care about the kids. Why not limit fall events to kids not committed from various YJ teams. Do the committed kids really need to play in fall tournaments.


Because then you would not have enough kids to form a team and if you then just put them with jones team no one would be happy. Its an impossible situation because there are several reasons that kids play travel . On one hand kids are playing hoping to get recruited and on the other hand you have recruited kids looking to play in competitive games. I have a suggestion that I have not heard before. Make the games two 25 minute halves, the first half no score is kept and play mostly non recruited kids the second half score is kept and teams play to win.

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?? No one but you have any idea what this is in response to. What college has a recruit parent recruiting for them or is this just some more made up nonsense.


its pretty common knowledge what he's trying to do, i'm sure the college coach has no idea

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You would think the coaches and teammates would spread the minutes and the ball around during the fall tournaments to those who haven't verbaled but the coaches are weak and the players are incapable of being good teammates because their parents would make them walk home if they didn't go to goal.

So sad. Nobody gets it

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I heard that the 2019 YJ team that played down in MD the past weekends is all the uncommitted girls. They did not shine against the MD teams in general, but, they all got looks. How are the MD teams able to have their committed girls play? Do these MD girls do lacrosse all year, even the high school juniors?

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curcio's formula of putting the " best team " on the field and win at all costs is not working.. if you look back 2 years ago, they were beating everyone all while playing everyone equally.. nothing will change next year.. tight bench, parents will [lacrosse], and they still will not win a meaningful game.

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Common Sense .....not so common.............why play girls equally when you think you have to win every time.......[lacrosse] with the girls that are not committed yet....... screw the college coaches that come out to watch the girls that arent commtiied. screw the parents whose kids don't get decent looks........

screw me? screw everybody

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I saw them too......unbelievable team. i agree on the chemistry....stick skills and ball movement were a pleasure to watch.........

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curcio's formula of putting the " best team " on the field and win at all costs is not working.. if you look back 2 years ago, they were beating everyone all while playing everyone equally.. nothing will change next year.. tight bench, parents will [lacrosse], and they still will not win a meaningful game.


You people are ridiculous . The posts about Curcios team are either a team parent who is being deliberately misleading or someone who does not have a player on the team and is just ignorant ,either way they are just trying to build up their kid by knocking others down. In reality Curcios team has beaten many top teams MD, Heroes etc this fall. Playing time last summer was essentially equal and and a little less this fall. To say they are playing to win at all cost is ridiculous , the generally considered best player on the team ( UNC commit) by the coach has not started many of the fall games .Whats worse is if this is a parent of one of the players stop being a coward and have a discussion with Curcio or go to another club and if this is some troll from another club grow up and at least get your facts straight.

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I am not referring to any specific clubs.......could care less if it is YJ or Skywalkers or M&D (or any other club)........at showcases play the kids more that are not committed......

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The solution for the 2020s and 2019s is simple but perhaps unpalatable to money hungry club directors...split teams into "committed" and "uncommitted." The committed players can continue honing their skills, which is presumably why they continue to play club ball. The uncommitted players can focus on developing and showcasing. Place teams in brackets where they will be challenged because no college coach will value watching a blowout. Forget about the scores. Clubs will be evaluated by how well they do in positioning their players for the next level, not on any meaningless championship trophies.

Maybe clubs won't max out profits with this approach, but they would have a lot more satisfied customers.

I can dream, can't I?

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The solution for the 2020s and 2019s is simple but perhaps unpalatable to money hungry club directors...split teams into "committed" and "uncommitted." The committed players can continue honing their skills, which is presumably why they continue to play club ball. The uncommitted players can focus on developing and showcasing. Place teams in brackets where they will be challenged because no college coach will value watching a blowout. Forget about the scores. Clubs will be evaluated by how well they do in positioning their players for the next level, not on any meaningless championship trophies.

Maybe clubs won't max out profits with this approach, but they would have a lot more satisfied customers.

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Yeah ok.... Club lacrosse is the most corrupt money hungry group out there. They are so powerful they render US Lacrosse almost powerless

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I am not referring to any specific clubs.......could care less if it is YJ or Skywalkers or M&D (or any other club)........at showcases play the kids more that are not committed......


How about at championship tournaments

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The solution for the 2020s and 2019s is simple but perhaps unpalatable to money hungry club directors...split teams into "committed" and "uncommitted." The committed players can continue honing their skills, which is presumably why they continue to play club ball. The uncommitted players can focus on developing and showcasing. Place teams in brackets where they will be challenged because no college coach will value watching a blowout. Forget about the scores. Clubs will be evaluated by how well they do in positioning their players for the next level, not on any meaningless championship trophies.

Maybe clubs won't max out profits with this approach, but they would have a lot more satisfied customers.

I can dream, can't I?



Yeah ok.... Club lacrosse is the most corrupt money hungry group out there. They are so powerful they render US Lacrosse almost powerless


You are forgetting about another group out there that is now making a big move to get a slice of that pie. Have you noticed how many more college clinics and etc are going on. There are a handful of clinics or showcases now scheduled around the Florida money grab. Now, they will have 2 extra years to siphon money off of you and still cannot talk to you. Before, it was only primarily the commits or players being recruited to specific schools that were attending the camps and clinics after freshman year or so in high school. Has anyone else noticed this?

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You are forgetting about another group out there that is now making a big move to get a slice of that pie. Have you noticed how many more college clinics and etc are going on. There are a handful of clinics or showcases now scheduled around the Florida money grab. Now, they will have 2 extra years to siphon money off of you and still cannot talk to you. Before, it was only primarily the commits or players being recruited to specific schools that were attending the camps and clinics after freshman year or so in high school. Has anyone else noticed this?

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You are spot on. College coaches are raking in money from camps and clinics.

However, let me make one contrast...

If you sign your kid up for a college camp/clinic, you are pretty well assured that she will be "seen" by a particular coach at a particular school your kid likes.

On the other hand, when you sign up for a club team and their tournaments, you are HOPING that the college coach your kid emailed will show up to watch her play AND that the club coach will put her on the field.

We'll only know on 9/1/2018 whether the choices we made for our daughters were the right ones. 289 days and counting...

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The solution for the 2020s and 2019s is simple but perhaps unpalatable to money hungry club directors...split teams into "committed" and "uncommitted." The committed players can continue honing their skills, which is presumably why they continue to play club ball. The uncommitted players can focus on developing and showcasing. Place teams in brackets where they will be challenged because no college coach will value watching a blowout. Forget about the scores. Clubs will be evaluated by how well they do in positioning their players for the next level, not on any meaningless championship trophies.

Maybe clubs won't max out profits with this approach, but they would have a lot more satisfied customers.

I can dream, can't I?



Yeah ok.... Club lacrosse is the most corrupt money hungry group out there. They are so powerful they render US Lacrosse almost powerless


You are forgetting about another group out there that is now making a big move to get a slice of that pie. Have you noticed how many more college clinics and etc are going on. There are a handful of clinics or showcases now scheduled around the Florida money grab. Now, they will have 2 extra years to siphon money off of you and still cannot talk to you. Before, it was only primarily the commits or players being recruited to specific schools that were attending the camps and clinics after freshman year or so in high school. Has anyone else noticed this?



Couldn't agree more. The delay to junior year has these college coaches foaming at the mouth for the reasons you listed above. Most coaches are only making $40-$70k per year (outside of the top lacrosse programs). These camps and clinics are helping them line their pockets and increase their total comp. These coaches hated that they had to kiss the asses of club directors making twice what they made as a college coach

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I said at Showcases ........but i do think non committed players should get decent playing time still..... because at the end of the day nobody cares who wins a tournament 10 years ago.........and the best advertising for any club isnt just championships but more importantly.....how many kids get committed is more important

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I said at Showcases ........but i do think non committed players should get decent playing time still..... because at the end of the day nobody cares who wins a tournament 10 years ago.........and the best advertising for any club isnt just championships but more importantly.....how many kids get committed is more important


So there is no where for kids to go and play highly competitive games and learn that hard work pays off in this politically correct world .10 years from now no one is going to care what school your kid committed to play lacrosse .My kids have played multiple sports on travel teams and lacrosse is the only one where parents expect all kids to get equal playing time. If your kid is not getting the playing time you want them to get you have options ,move to another club,stay with the same club but move down to a lower team , or work harder.

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I said at Showcases ........but i do think non committed players should get decent playing time still..... because at the end of the day nobody cares who wins a tournament 10 years ago.........and the best advertising for any club isnt just championships but more importantly.....how many kids get committed is more important


So there is no where for kids to go and play highly competitive games and learn that hard work pays off in this politically correct world .10 years from now no one is going to care what school your kid committed to play lacrosse .My kids have played multiple sports on travel teams and lacrosse is the only one where parents expect all kids to get equal playing time. If your kid is not getting the playing time you want them to get you have options ,move to another club,stay with the same club but move down to a lower team , or work harder.


I agree but I have a problem with these directors loading the rosters with 26 kids and then not playing them. If the kid is good enough to make the team, the kid should be good enough to play otherwise put 20 on the team and move #21-26 to another team. The director can't take the money and then not expect the valid criticism.

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I kindly disagree.......more people are interested in kids getting committed to good colleges and getting great educations.......but if winning tournaments is the only thing that is important to you and your daughter...so be it ..... I am not judging. I am guessing every club would rather have all girls committed to go to college then a trophy....and if that isnt true....shame on that club. If there is a club that only cares about winning.....good for them....bad for the girls. you are right the girls can go somewhere else.... I don't disagree.

And i don't agree with equal playing time....the better girls get more time, that is they way it goes sometimes....but it is the clubs responsibility to get the non committed girls good playing time in showcases. But if the club would rather go 4-0 in a showcase and only play their committed players most......doesnt make much sense does it? After all, the college coaches could care less about them if they are already committed.

That being said....if you are playing in other tournaments and you want to win the trophy, as most teams want to, their best players see more time. But, hopefully that changes when a team goes to a showcase....if it doesnt then something is horribly wrong.

My initial post said showcases

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and more......at showcases....I think it is the committed players responsibility to let the non committed players shine in games....... that doesnt mean the committed players don't score ....it means they do less.

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20 is plenty....26 is out of line

i agree

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and more......at showcases....I think it is the committed players responsibility to let the non committed players shine in games....... that doesnt mean the committed players don't score ....it means they do less.


Respectfully disagree , if you are going to play they should play the right way not try to "do less". I also do not get why you would distinguish who should play "more" because one tourney is championship and the other is showcase.If you start with the idea that the main purpose of these travel teams is to get as many kids recruited as possible , you have college coaches at both types of tournaments , so why treat them differently. If your coach or club tells you the majority of playing time will go to the starters and you stay with that team knowing this it's on you . Still waiting to hear where kids who want to play competitive lacrosse both in terms of competing for your spot on a team and playing against other teams is supposed to go .

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That is the question I want answered as well. If you are one of the stronger players, what do you do to get better, play competitive games and compete at a high level. Those kids participate in travel lacrosse for those reasons but when you have a roster of 24 and everyone is jockeying for commitments if makes for a terrible environment for all of the players. There is no reason to have rosters of that size - rather than have 3 teams of 24 players, have 4 teams of 18. Parents would even pay more to be part of a smaller roster.

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i appreciate the response....there is a difference in showcases....showcases are for all the kids ....once they are committed, it becomes for the non committed to get time. Do you really think the college coaches want to watch a team full of committed players? I am not saying they don't play....that would be silly.....but the non committed players need to get good playing time. for the better players to get better.....they have options. They can play on an older team against older competition. wouldnt this be a better solution if you wanted your daughter (player) to get a better?

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20 is plenty....26 is out of line

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Do the math. Look at how much it costs to register a team for tournaments - the costs are available. Add up the total costs of all the tournaments for the year for that team, add in the practice field costs, and all the expenses. Then look at how much it costs per girl to play. For a bunch of clubs out there - the first 18 cover the costs for the year. Anything after that generally goes to paying coaches - then the club owner's pockets. If you can get 26 parents to buy into paying the money to be on a team - why stop at 18?

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Do the math. Look at how much it costs to register a team for tournaments - the costs are available. Add up the total costs of all the tournaments for the year for that team, add in the practice field costs, and all the expenses. Then look at how much it costs per girl to play. For a bunch of clubs out there - the first 18 cover the costs for the year. Anything after that generally goes to paying coaches - then the club owner's pockets. If you can get 26 parents to buy into paying the money to be on a team - why stop at 18?



Finally someone looking at the math. Club lacrosse is about making money for these directors it isn't charity. Many of these clubs make $50-$100k just running tryouts. They are all very smart. They know up to 28 on a team is an absolute joke but they do it for the cash. They all know a dedicated team of 18 is all they need. East to sub, easy to have like ability kids, easy everything. 26-28 is good for only one thing making them rich. And most of these clubs don't pay their coaches much. Its all going in the directors pockets. I think that's why you are seeing the C and D teams disappearing. People know its an absolute scam. And don't forget that these same directors run the tournaments, direct their teams there and then double dip!

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20 is plenty....26 is out of line

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Do the math. Look at how much it costs to register a team for tournaments - the costs are available. Add up the total costs of all the tournaments for the year for that team, add in the practice field costs, and all the expenses. Then look at how much it costs per girl to play. For a bunch of clubs out there - the first 18 cover the costs for the year. Anything after that generally goes to paying coaches - then the club owner's pockets. If you can get 26 parents to buy into paying the money to be on a team - why stop at 18?



Finally someone looking at the math. Club lacrosse is about making money for these directors it isn't charity. Many of these clubs make $50-$100k just running tryouts. They are all very smart. They know up to 28 on a team is an absolute joke but they do it for the cash. They all know a dedicated team of 18 is all they need. East to sub, easy to have like ability kids, easy everything. 26-28 is good for only one thing making them rich. And most of these clubs don't pay their coaches much. Its all going in the directors pockets. I think that's why you are seeing the C and D teams disappearing. People know its an absolute scam. And don't forget that these same directors run the tournaments, direct their teams there and then double dip!


And it will only get worse since the girls have an extra few years added to the "recruiting time". Extra time for the clubs to dangle that carrot in front of the parents.

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Do the math. Look at how much it costs to register a team for tournaments - the costs are available. Add up the total costs of all the tournaments for the year for that team, add in the practice field costs, and all the expenses. Then look at how much it costs per girl to play. For a bunch of clubs out there - the first 18 cover the costs for the year. Anything after that generally goes to paying coaches - then the club owner's pockets. If you can get 26 parents to buy into paying the money to be on a team - why stop at 18?



Finally someone looking at the math. Club lacrosse is about making money for these directors it isn't charity. Many of these clubs make $50-$100k just running tryouts. They are all very smart. They know up to 28 on a team is an absolute joke but they do it for the cash. They all know a dedicated team of 18 is all they need. East to sub, easy to have like ability kids, easy everything. 26-28 is good for only one thing making them rich. And most of these clubs don't pay their coaches much. Its all going in the directors pockets. I think that's why you are seeing the C and D teams disappearing. People know its an absolute scam. And don't forget that these same directors run the tournaments, direct their teams there and then double dip!


And it will only get worse since the girls have an extra few years added to the "recruiting time". Extra time for the clubs to dangle that carrot in front of the parents.



With the new paradigm you are nuts if you start playing travel lax before 7th grade, college coaches, who have their own agenda, have said as much

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If you are not getting better by playing travel lax (roster of 24-26) you are also nuts if you keep playing after being committed.

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How was the President's Cup? how did your teams do?

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[quote=Anonymous]How was the President's Cup? how did your teams do?[/quote

Nobody cares about the outcome of the games. My kid played great and was in front of 100's of coaches.

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lol ... i didnt ask for the outcomes ..... I asked how they did............answer could be "they played well, lots of coaches there".........

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lol ... i didnt ask for the outcomes ..... I asked how they did............answer could be "they played well, lots of coaches there".........

or better yet......my daughter played well........or our team looked like crap......but my daughter was a stud

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and more......at showcases....I think it is the committed players responsibility to let the non committed players shine in games....... that doesnt mean the committed players don't score ....it means they do less.

if the committed players parents are paying the same amount to attend showcase and hotels etc, then that player should get equal time. period. if the club wants the committed/better players there to help the uncommitted shine, then the club should waive the tournament fee for those players. But that will never happen, as it its always about the money. don't fool yourself

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If you are not getting better by playing travel lax (roster of 24-26) you are also nuts if you keep playing after being committed.
unfortunately thats incorrect. Even if a girls committed, they still need to play. A verbal isn't worth the paper its not written on. The college coaches come to see their commits play. at the same time, a commitment can be pulled. Then if you have stopped attending, your name is not still out there. Furthermore, there is always the possibility of another school being interested and making a better offer

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Nobody cares about the outcome of the games. My kid played great and was in front of 100's of coaches.


Which of the 100 colleges did your daughter decide on this weekend? Where will she be taking her talents?

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If you are not getting better by playing travel lax (roster of 24-26) you are also nuts if you keep playing after being committed.
unfortunately thats incorrect. Even if a girls committed, they still need to play. A verbal isn't worth the paper its not written on. The college coaches come to see their commits play. at the same time, a commitment can be pulled. Then if you have stopped attending, your name is not still out there. Furthermore, there is always the possibility of another school being interested and making a better offer


Please tell us the coach that did not honor the verbal agreement they made with a player and not the usual "I heard" of a kid nonsense.

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If you are not getting better by playing travel lax (roster of 24-26) you are also nuts if you keep playing after being committed.
unfortunately thats incorrect. Even if a girls committed, they still need to play. A verbal isn't worth the paper its not written on. The college coaches come to see their commits play. at the same time, a commitment can be pulled. Then if you have stopped attending, your name is not still out there. Furthermore, there is always the possibility of another school being interested and making a better offer


Please tell us the coach that did not honor the verbal agreement they made with a player and not the usual "I heard" of a kid nonsense.
mochigan fired their coach and new coach did not honor verbals. Don't think it doesn't happen

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If you are not getting better by playing travel lax (roster of 24-26) you are also nuts if you keep playing after being committed.
unfortunately thats incorrect. Even if a girls committed, they still need to play. A verbal isn't worth the paper its not written on. The college coaches come to see their commits play. at the same time, a commitment can be pulled. Then if you have stopped attending, your name is not still out there. Furthermore, there is always the possibility of another school being interested and making a better offer


Please tell us the coach that did not honor the verbal agreement they made with a player and not the usual "I heard" of a kid nonsense.

i heard of a guy that heard of a kid.........

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If you are not getting better by playing travel lax (roster of 24-26) you are also nuts if you keep playing after being committed.
unfortunately thats incorrect. Even if a girls committed, they still need to play. A verbal isn't worth the paper its not written on. The college coaches come to see their commits play. at the same time, a commitment can be pulled. Then if you have stopped attending, your name is not still out there. Furthermore, there is always the possibility of another school being interested and making a better offer


Please tell us the coach that did not honor the verbal agreement they made with a player and not the usual "I heard" of a kid nonsense.
mochigan fired their coach and new coach did not honor verbals. Don't think it doesn't happen

is that near Michigan? Never heard of it.

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and more......at showcases....I think it is the committed players responsibility to let the non committed players shine in games....... that doesnt mean the committed players don't score ....it means they do less.

if the committed players parents are paying the same amount to attend showcase and hotels etc, then that player should get equal time. period. if the club wants the committed/better players there to help the uncommitted shine, then the club should waive the tournament fee for those players. But that will never happen, as it its always about the money. don't fool yourself

I agree...... they should get playing time.......at showcases.....should be equal......I don't disagree

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Nobody cares about the outcome of the games. My kid played great and was in front of 100's of coaches.


Which of the 100 colleges did your daughter decide on this weekend? Where will she be taking her talents?

my daughter held court and coaches had to sign up for appt times..........dab

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If you are not getting better by playing travel lax (roster of 24-26) you are also nuts if you keep playing after being committed.
unfortunately thats incorrect. Even if a girls committed, they still need to play. A verbal isn't worth the paper its not written on. The college coaches come to see their commits play. at the same time, a commitment can be pulled. Then if you have stopped attending, your name is not still out there. Furthermore, there is always the possibility of another school being interested and making a better offer


Please tell us the coach that did not honor the verbal agreement they made with a player and not the usual "I heard" of a kid nonsense.
mochigan fired their coach and new coach did not honor verbals. Don't think it doesn't happen

anyone that thinks Verbal Commits aren't ever broken then ......dont know what to tell you.........

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I heard Bucknell did same as well.

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If you are not getting better by playing travel lax (roster of 24-26) you are also nuts if you keep playing after being committed.
unfortunately thats incorrect. Even if a girls committed, they still need to play. A verbal isn't worth the paper its not written on. The college coaches come to see their commits play. at the same time, a commitment can be pulled. Then if you have stopped attending, your name is not still out there. Furthermore, there is always the possibility of another school being interested and making a better offer


Please tell us the coach that did not honor the verbal agreement they made with a player and not the usual "I heard" of a kid nonsense.
mochigan fired their coach and new coach did not honor verbals. Don't think it doesn't happen

I said the verbal agreement they made not that someone else made, just does not happen . Just because no one wanted your kid enough to make a verbal does not mean you have to spread [lacrosse] rumors.

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If you are not getting better by playing travel lax (roster of 24-26) you are also nuts if you keep playing after being committed.
unfortunately thats incorrect. Even if a girls committed, they still need to play. A verbal isn't worth the paper its not written on. The college coaches come to see their commits play. at the same time, a commitment can be pulled. Then if you have stopped attending, your name is not still out there. Furthermore, there is always the possibility of another school being interested and making a better offer


Please tell us the coach that did not honor the verbal agreement they made with a player and not the usual "I heard" of a kid nonsense.
mochigan fired their coach and new coach did not honor verbals. Don't think it doesn't happen

I said the verbal agreement they made not that someone else made, just does not happen . Just because no one wanted your kid enough to make a verbal does not mean you have to spread [lacrosse] rumors.

So you think all verbal commits are honored?

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If you are not getting better by playing travel lax (roster of 24-26) you are also nuts if you keep playing after being committed.
unfortunately thats incorrect. Even if a girls committed, they still need to play. A verbal isn't worth the paper its not written on. The college coaches come to see their commits play. at the same time, a commitment can be pulled. Then if you have stopped attending, your name is not still out there. Furthermore, there is always the possibility of another school being interested and making a better offer


Please tell us the coach that did not honor the verbal agreement they made with a player and not the usual "I heard" of a kid nonsense.
mochigan fired their coach and new coach did not honor verbals. Don't think it doesn't happen

I said the verbal agreement they made not that someone else made, just does not happen . Just because no one wanted your kid enough to make a verbal does not mean you have to spread [lacrosse] rumors.

So you think all verbal commits are honored?


Verbals have been pulled when the kid's academics don't cut it.

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I said the verbal agreement they made not that someone else made, just does not happen . Just because no one wanted your kid enough to make a verbal does not mean you have to spread [lacrosse] rumors.[/quote]
So you think all verbal commits are honored?[/quote]

Verbals have been pulled when the kid's academics don't cut it.[/quote]

Again that means the player has broken the verbal most times. In general most verbals are given with some basic benchmarks that need to be met ie. gpa in a range ; sat in a range , stay out of trouble ; don’t be an [lacrosse] on social media etc. I have been around girls lacrosse a long time and have not heard of a coach rescinding on their verbal .Has it ever happened ,probably,but acting like a verbal means nothing usually comes from someone who is just bitter their kid does not have one. If you know of coaches who have done it let’s hear who.

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I said the verbal agreement they made not that someone else made, just does not happen . Just because no one wanted your kid enough to make a verbal does not mean you have to spread [lacrosse] rumors.[/quote]
So you think all verbal commits are honored?[/quote]

Verbals have been pulled when the kid's academics don't cut it.[/quote]

Again that means the player has broken the verbal most times. In general most verbals are given with some basic benchmarks that need to be met ie. gpa in a range ; sat in a range , stay out of trouble ; don’t be an [lacrosse] on social media etc. I have been around girls lacrosse a long time and have not heard of a coach rescinding on their verbal .Has it ever happened ,probably,but acting like a verbal means nothing usually comes from someone who is just bitter their kid does not have one. If you know of coaches who have done it let’s hear who.[/quote]

All i asked if you think all verbals are honored........I didnt say they didnt mean anything......they mean the college/university sees your daughter at the institution......but that can change for a variety of reasons.......whether you agree of disagree is unimoirtant....the fact is not all verbals are honored..... for one reason or another.


Maybe they committed to the kid at too young of an age,,,,and saw what an [lacrosse] they have become....or now they are a pothead...... or of various other reasons......it happens with all sports in college.......

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do you honestly think that if a coach leaves and/or gets fired, that the new coach automatically keeps the commits from the prior coach??

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do you honestly think that if a coach leaves and/or gets fired, that the new coach automatically keeps the commits from the prior coach??



He is not talking about if a coach leaves or gets fired.

But I agree with you personally.

If a kid gains 15lbs and the coach sees it, the scholarship will be taken away.

If a coach gets a better player to come in your position, the coach will take it away and so on and so on ....


Doesn’t matter whether I can name an instance of whether it has happened or not. It happens ..... I am not saying a lot. But if I came up with a statistic, I would say 15-20% of verbal commits are taken away by the active coach ....either because someone better came along or they realized this kid just isn’t what we thought she would become. Either way it doesn’t matter....what the reason is. A verbal commitment is meaningless until the contract is signed.

With the new rule of recruiting, it is a lot better for the players and the coaches. They can actually see more of the player and personality and the kid can make a better decision on whether going to a certain school.

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do you honestly think that if a coach leaves and/or gets fired, that the new coach automatically keeps the commits from the prior coach??



He is not talking about if a coach leaves or gets fired.

But I agree with you personally.

If a kid gains 15lbs and the coach sees it, the scholarship will be taken away.

If a coach gets a better player to come in your position, the coach will take it away and so on and so on ....


Doesn’t matter whether I can name an instance of whether it has happened or not. It happens ..... I am not saying a lot. But if I came up with a statistic, I would say 15-20% of verbal commits are taken away by the active coach ....either because someone better came along or they realized this kid just isn’t what we thought she would become. Either way it doesn’t matter....what the reason is. A verbal commitment is meaningless until the contract is signed.

With the new rule of recruiting, it is a lot better for the players and the coaches. They can actually see more of the player and personality and the kid can make a better decision on whether going to a certain school.




Yup, the coaches love the new rules. They get two extra years of large numbers of camp attendees as opposed to just the commits and uninformed after freshman year.

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You people seem desperate. First you have the poster asking if a coach has ever gone back on their verbal as if this would make all existing verbals worthless.Then you have the clown reporting fake statistics of 15-20 percent when he cannot name one single instance of it ever happening. Now you have the other ill informed poster saying if a kid gains 20 lbs the verbal is gone, I can name multiple coaches who have honored their verbal commitment when a player has gained weight, blown out a knee, blown out the other knee, blown out the same knee again, had a kid get kicked out of school, had a kid get arrested and on and on. These players that they have honored their verbals with are not even the top of the food chain , these coaches include. NW, PSU,UNC, Cuse, MD, UVA, Duke.They honored these verbals when they easily could have said sorry you did not hold up your end of the bargain. Again you have not named one coach or one instance of them pulling their verbal . We get it your kid did not commit somewhere because " you wanted to wait and verbals mean nothing", sure.

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You people seem desperate. First you have the poster asking if a coach has ever gone back on their verbal as if this would make all existing verbals worthless.Then you have the clown reporting fake statistics of 15-20 percent when he cannot name one single instance of it ever happening. Now you have the other ill informed poster saying if a kid gains 20 lbs the verbal is gone, I can name multiple coaches who have honored their verbal commitment when a player has gained weight, blown out a knee, blown out the other knee, blown out the same knee again, had a kid get kicked out of school, had a kid get arrested and on and on. These players that they have honored their verbals with are not even the top of the food chain , these coaches include. NW, PSU,UNC, Cuse, MD, UVA, Duke.They honored these verbals when they easily could have said sorry you did not hold up your end of the bargain. Again you have not named one coach or one instance of them pulling their verbal . We get it your kid did not commit somewhere because " you wanted to wait and verbals mean nothing", sure.


Verbals mean nothing. Until the LI is signed, a verbal is nothing more than a “let’s hope it all works out”

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You people seem desperate. First you have the poster asking if a coach has ever gone back on their verbal as if this would make all existing verbals worthless.Then you have the clown reporting fake statistics of 15-20 percent when he cannot name one single instance of it ever happening. Now you have the other ill informed poster saying if a kid gains 20 lbs the verbal is gone, I can name multiple coaches who have honored their verbal commitment when a player has gained weight, blown out a knee, blown out the other knee, blown out the same knee again, had a kid get kicked out of school, had a kid get arrested and on and on. These players that they have honored their verbals with are not even the top of the food chain , these coaches include. NW, PSU,UNC, Cuse, MD, UVA, Duke.They honored these verbals when they easily could have said sorry you did not hold up your end of the bargain. Again you have not named one coach or one instance of them pulling their verbal . We get it your kid did not commit somewhere because " you wanted to wait and verbals mean nothing", sure.


Verbals mean nothing. Until the LI is signed, a verbal is nothing more than a “let’s hope it all works out”


And yet that's how every single commitment starts! At least all the priority recruiting gets done exactly like that. So in essence it mean everything, unless you don't get one, then yes it means nothing.

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The coaches reputation is on the line - that is why they are extremely reluctant to de-commit a player. I have been around girls lacrosse for a long time and I do not know of anyone losing their verbal commitment and that includes lots of girls getting injured. gaining weight and not improving as players etc. The original post that started this silly talk said "why continue to play travel lax if you have a roster of 24-26 and it is not helping you get better". There are better ways to improve your lax ability - 7v7's, 5v5's, stick work training, speed and conditioning, even playing other sports etc. In my experience college coaches do not care if you continue to play travel lacrosse once you are committed.

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What people fail to remember once you get outside the top 15 schools or so these coaches are leaving or getting fired all the time. They don't make that much avg $40k+ so for many its not a lifelong job. When kids were verbaling in 8th grade you were hoping the coach was there 5 years later. With the move to junior year there is a much better chance the coach that recruits your daughter will still be there.

From experience, coaches almost always honor the commits they inherit but then find ways to get out of and push or force inherited players out of the program to free up those scholarship slots year 2 and 3. They make it miserable for girls they don't want around

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You people seem desperate. First you have the poster asking if a coach has ever gone back on their verbal as if this would make all existing verbals worthless.Then you have the clown reporting fake statistics of 15-20 percent when he cannot name one single instance of it ever happening. Now you have the other ill informed poster saying if a kid gains 20 lbs the verbal is gone, I can name multiple coaches who have honored their verbal commitment when a player has gained weight, blown out a knee, blown out the other knee, blown out the same knee again, had a kid get kicked out of school, had a kid get arrested and on and on. These players that they have honored their verbals with are not even the top of the food chain , these coaches include. NW, PSU,UNC, Cuse, MD, UVA, Duke.They honored these verbals when they easily could have said sorry you did not hold up your end of the bargain. Again you have not named one coach or one instance of them pulling their verbal . We get it your kid did not commit somewhere because " you wanted to wait and verbals mean nothing", sure.


Verbals mean nothing. Until the LI is signed, a verbal is nothing more than a “let’s hope it all works out”


This is so precious - it really made my day to see how people are so unenlightened when it comes to this recruiting game. I have a feeling that you must be a used car salesman or a timeshare pitchman since you put so little value on a person's word or credibility. It is also fairly obvious that this is your first kid through the process and it's not working out well for them. But, don't worry, in case you missed it - nobody is going to be talking to your kid for a few more months. And don't believe the people when they say that their daughter did a triple secret wink, wink, commitment and then were dropped. If I believed every single one of those parents then that mean Levy and Reese would be dropping about a dozen commits every year.

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You people seem desperate. First you have the poster asking if a coach has ever gone back on their verbal as if this would make all existing verbals worthless.Then you have the clown reporting fake statistics of 15-20 percent when he cannot name one single instance of it ever happening. Now you have the other ill informed poster saying if a kid gains 20 lbs the verbal is gone, I can name multiple coaches who have honored their verbal commitment when a player has gained weight, blown out a knee, blown out the other knee, blown out the same knee again, had a kid get kicked out of school, had a kid get arrested and on and on. These players that they have honored their verbals with are not even the top of the food chain , these coaches include. NW, PSU,UNC, Cuse, MD, UVA, Duke.They honored these verbals when they easily could have said sorry you did not hold up your end of the bargain. Again you have not named one coach or one instance of them pulling their verbal . We get it your kid did not commit somewhere because " you wanted to wait and verbals mean nothing", sure.


http://www.diycollegerankings.com/need-know-verbal-commitments/6296/

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You people seem desperate. First you have the poster asking if a coach has ever gone back on their verbal as if this would make all existing verbals worthless.Then you have the clown reporting fake statistics of 15-20 percent when he cannot name one single instance of it ever happening. Now you have the other ill informed poster saying if a kid gains 20 lbs the verbal is gone, I can name multiple coaches who have honored their verbal commitment when a player has gained weight, blown out a knee, blown out the other knee, blown out the same knee again, had a kid get kicked out of school, had a kid get arrested and on and on. These players that they have honored their verbals with are not even the top of the food chain , these coaches include. NW, PSU,UNC, Cuse, MD, UVA, Duke.They honored these verbals when they easily could have said sorry you did not hold up your end of the bargain. Again you have not named one coach or one instance of them pulling their verbal . We get it your kid did not commit somewhere because " you wanted to wait and verbals mean nothing", sure.


Verbals mean nothing. Until the LI is signed, a verbal is nothing more than a “let’s hope it all works out”

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You people seem desperate. First you have the poster asking if a coach has ever gone back on their verbal as if this would make all existing verbals worthless.Then you have the clown reporting fake statistics of 15-20 percent when he cannot name one single instance of it ever happening. Now you have the other ill informed poster saying if a kid gains 20 lbs the verbal is gone, I can name multiple coaches who have honored their verbal commitment when a player has gained weight, blown out a knee, blown out the other knee, blown out the same knee again, had a kid get kicked out of school, had a kid get arrested and on and on. These players that they have honored their verbals with are not even the top of the food chain , these coaches include. NW, PSU,UNC, Cuse, MD, UVA, Duke.They honored these verbals when they easily could have said sorry you did not hold up your end of the bargain. Again you have not named one coach or one instance of them pulling their verbal . We get it your kid did not commit somewhere because " you wanted to wait and verbals mean nothing", sure.


Verbals mean nothing. Until the LI is signed, a verbal is nothing more than a “let’s hope it all works out”


And yet that's how every single commitment starts! At least all the priority recruiting gets done exactly like that. So in essence it mean everything, unless you don't get one, then yes it means nothing.

It means what it means ...........I knew a kid Jake V. is A D1 football player plays Tight end at UNC.......originally he had verbal commit from Michigan but they (the school) backed away for no apparent reason........it happens....that's all

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You people seem desperate. First you have the poster asking if a coach has ever gone back on their verbal as if this would make all existing verbals worthless.Then you have the clown reporting fake statistics of 15-20 percent when he cannot name one single instance of it ever happening. Now you have the other ill informed poster saying if a kid gains 20 lbs the verbal is gone, I can name multiple coaches who have honored their verbal commitment when a player has gained weight, blown out a knee, blown out the other knee, blown out the same knee again, had a kid get kicked out of school, had a kid get arrested and on and on. These players that they have honored their verbals with are not even the top of the food chain , these coaches include. NW, PSU,UNC, Cuse, MD, UVA, Duke.They honored these verbals when they easily could have said sorry you did not hold up your end of the bargain. Again you have not named one coach or one instance of them pulling their verbal . We get it your kid did not commit somewhere because " you wanted to wait and verbals mean nothing", sure.


Verbals mean nothing. Until the LI is signed, a verbal is nothing more than a “let’s hope it all works out”


And yet that's how every single commitment starts! At least all the priority recruiting gets done exactly like that. So in essence it mean everything, unless you don't get one, then yes it means nothing.

It means what it means ...........I knew a kid Jake V. is A D1 football player plays Tight end at UNC.......originally he had verbal commit from Michigan but they (the school) backed away for no apparent reason........it happens....that's all


from USAToday April 2017

Does a verbal commitment guarantee a scholarship?

Verbal commitments do not guarantee a scholarship, as they are unofficial verbal contracts between the athlete and coach. The NCAA does not recognize or even track verbal commitments between athletes and colleges. The only time an athlete can officially commit to a college is during the signing period, when they sign their national letter of intent. Any story you see of an athlete getting an offer or committing to a school before the signing period their senior year is unofficial.

Does a college have to honor a verbal commitment?

The short answer is no, but it is very uncommon for a school to just pull their offer. That said, there have been athletes who committed to a school, and when signing day came, they didn’t end up receiving an official offer. Here are a few of the common scenarios in which that might happen:

There is a coaching change – When there is a coaching change at a school, it is up to the incoming coach to decide whether they want to honor the verbal commitments of the previous coach or not.
The school has a history of oversigning – While the NCAA is cracking down on the practice of over-signing, a school can sign more athletes than they need on their team.
There was never actually a verbal offer made – Occasionally, there are stories of athletes who were confused about the nature of their recruitment from a particular school, and they mistook general recruiting interest as a verbal commitment, without actually being extended an offer.
Why do athletes verbally commit to a college?

Athletes commit to colleges early because it can simplify their recruiting process. By making an early commitment, athletes signify to other coaches and their peers they are done looking at potential schools. For most sports, this means college coaches will stop recruiting them, and they can focus on finishing out their high school career without worrying about the recruiting process.

Another reason an athlete might commit to a school is because the coach has extended an offer and given them a limited amount of time to accept. For example, coaches might say, “I would like to offer you a scholarship, and I need to know if you will accept in the next two weeks.” Coaches do this because they are under pressure to lock down recruits ahead of other programs.

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You people seem desperate. First you have the poster asking if a coach has ever gone back on their verbal as if this would make all existing verbals worthless.Then you have the clown reporting fake statistics of 15-20 percent when he cannot name one single instance of it ever happening. Now you have the other ill informed poster saying if a kid gains 20 lbs the verbal is gone, I can name multiple coaches who have honored their verbal commitment when a player has gained weight, blown out a knee, blown out the other knee, blown out the same knee again, had a kid get kicked out of school, had a kid get arrested and on and on. These players that they have honored their verbals with are not even the top of the food chain , these coaches include. NW, PSU,UNC, Cuse, MD, UVA, Duke.They honored these verbals when they easily could have said sorry you did not hold up your end of the bargain. Again you have not named one coach or one instance of them pulling their verbal . We get it your kid did not commit somewhere because " you wanted to wait and verbals mean nothing", sure.


http://www.diycollegerankings.com/need-know-verbal-commitments/6296/



Coaches can also withdraw their commitments, but there are a few reasons that they would stay loyal to a recruit they offered a scholarship to:
•The PR of withdrawing a spot from a committed player is tough to overcome, especially with the athlete’s high school. It may take a college coach a long time to heal that wound.
•Other college coaches might use it against them as long as it is effective, saying that a player can’t trust the coach’s word, which is huge in recruiting.

For many coaches, when they offer a scholarship, nothing short of legal problems, a major violation of high school rules or academic failures would be cause for rescinding a committed player’s scholarship. Open communication with a coach or program is the best way to avoid any unpleasant surprises… on either end!

The above is from the same website. it just does not happen especially in girls lacrosse.

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If you and your daughter put as much effort into their academics as you do on your forum posts, y'all be just fine.

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If you and your daughter put as much effort into their academics as you do on your forum posts, y'all be just fine.

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What people fail to remember once you get outside the top 15 schools or so these coaches are leaving or getting fired all the time. They don't make that much avg $40k+ so for many its not a lifelong job. When kids were verbaling in 8th grade you were hoping the coach was there 5 years later. With the move to junior year there is a much better chance the coach that recruits your daughter will still be there.

From experience, coaches almost always honor the commits they inherit but then find ways to get out of and push or force inherited players out of the program to free up those scholarship slots year 2 and 3. They make it miserable for girls they don't want around


Verbals are honored and then they make you hate it if they want you gone

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