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your double holdback will be riding the pine senior year, after the age appropriate kids catch up to him physically.

Somebody need to do a video of fat daddy crab and his comments.
Set to music...would be a best seller.

Or the Madlax guy trying to work the refs in a game (especially when his kids are playing).

Working the ref is a art form. Baseball coaches have been doing it for a 100 years. I love how people in lacrosse act like it should not be done or that it does not work.

Working the ref is a art form. Baseball coaches have been doing it for a 100 years. I love how people in lacrosse act like it should not be done or that it does not work.

It is stupid.. This is youth sports.. No need for working refs. Great idea.. teaching kids to cheat. Sheese

Well baseball has been teaching kids to cheat for 100 years. And its called gamesmanship. We want to teach kids to win and be winners. They keep score,stats, and give prizes. But then you want the coach to act like it does not matter. Working a ref teaches them to not just except what they are given if it is wrong. So if you use this logic. You better never return your food when its wrong. You better except a crooked deck when you pay for one to be built. A coach is working for his team and his job is not to just sit there and take it. He is the advocate for the team.

This is just crazy.. and very sad

I have seen a ref in MD who just penalizes them everytime they yell. Same guy I have also seen turn to parents and tell them to be quiet. Pretty funny when it happens....parent looks like a tool.

There are currently 30+ very happy 2020 families (mix of holdbacks and on age)and a bunch of top college coaches who couldn't possibly care less about that statement as they now sit back and enjoy a lacrosse free Aug. The good news is that there is still time for you to stop making excuses for your little Johnny and get him to pick up the stick more, train harder etc etc. After all, it is you holdback critics who say "good players always play up". If that's so true then your boy should have just completed a great summer and secured himself a roster spot at his dream school as he competed and stood out, (as he always has) against a mix of older talented players..

There are currently 30+ very happy 2020 families (mix of holdbacks and on age)and a bunch of top college coaches who couldn't possibly care less about that statement as they now sit back and enjoy a lacrosse free Aug. The good news is that there is still time for you to stop making excuses for your little Johnny and get him to pick up the stick more, train harder etc etc. After all, it is you holdback critics who say "good players always play up". If that's so true then your boy should have just completed a great summer and secured himself a roster spot at his dream school as he competed and stood out, (as he always has) against a mix of older talented players..

Unfortunately holding back your child does work for decent to good players. Holding these decent players back turns the player into a much better player. It gives him an advantage others same age and skill dont get as these non holdbacks will have to play against older players or same age always at youth level. It only makes sense?? playing down gets you an advantage. And if you are already a Very good player, holding you back turns you into a superstar against younger children. Pretty Simple!

Is it Right?? Most dont think so? But it is stupid to think it doesnt work for most kids. Especially against the same talent and younger. The true athletics on age will still be superior as time goes along. But lacrosse doesnt always get tons of superior true athletic as many go to other money sports.

I think the situation of holding your child back will get more and more of these kids as time goes on. Private school parents will be ramping up more holdbacks and once Public Schools catch on to this scheme ???? I dont even think ER getting a later date in HS will stop the flow as it seems the holdback/prefirst/reclass era of lacrosse is here to stay.

There are currently 30+ very happy 2020 families (mix of holdbacks and on age)and a bunch of top college coaches who couldn't possibly care less about that statement as they now sit back and enjoy a lacrosse free Aug. The good news is that there is still time for you to stop making excuses for your little Johnny and get him to pick up the stick more, train harder etc etc. After all, it is you holdback critics who say "good players always play up". If that's so true then your boy should have just completed a great summer and secured himself a roster spot at his dream school as he competed and stood out, (as he always has) against a mix of older talented players..

my Johnny did pick up the stick more, trained harder, stood out this summer etc and is going to his dream school and enjoying some down time. You are so right, playing up was the difference maker and the better news is that he is on age. I can't imagine you and all the other holdbacks humiliation you must have felt by having to explain to your son that we have to have you play down now because although we always told you that playing up will make you better we now have to play you down with the younger kids so you will look better. the sad thing also is that all these holdbacks had parents that were clamoring to play up in 4th, 5th, and 6th grades and now clamor to play down. You have my pity and wish you Godspeed .

my Johnny did pick up the stick more, trained harder, stood out this summer etc and is going to his dream school and enjoying some down time. You are so right, playing up was the difference maker and the better news is that he is on age. I can't imagine you and all the other holdbacks humiliation you must have felt by having to explain to your son that we have to have you play down now because although we always told you that playing up will make you better we now have to play you down with the younger kids so you will look better. the sad thing also is that all these holdbacks had parents that were clamoring to play up in 4th, 5th, and 6th grades and now clamor to play down. You have my pity and wish you Godspeed .

It's going to kill you when that kid's son gets an offer. Coaches don't care about the ages, only the classes. Keep on crying.

You are some serious issues.

Totally agree, holdback parents have huge issues

You can keep crying, but those kids are still going to be recruited and committed. College coaches laugh at parents like you.

I know of a family who's Aug 2001 bday son has quietly committed to Duke and he is beyond humiliated.. I'm not sure he will ever recover.. You sir.. are a complete moron. You get more stupid with every response..

ahhh my court jester. continue to reply as it makes for great comic relief.

As a parent of children that go to school with these holdback or more likely prefist children I do think it is not the greatest thing for many of these kids. Many seem more aware being out of place when they were younger, As they got older it didnt seem to matter as much. Maybe they held it in better as they got older?? Years ago it wasnt mentioned..but now many of the prefirst kids hear comments on them being held back, For some reason more people seem aware of it now than before, even tho it has been done for many many years? Maybe due to being more now? Just my observations,,not a professional.

Well no one was mad about it 3 years ago because they still had the teams by age not grade. So the kids did not care if you where older you would be on the older team. But now when you are the 4th attackman and there are 2 pre first kids ahead of you, you tend to want to say something. But as a parent its easier to talk to your son about not starting. You just say its ok son that kid is cheating and will be 19 when he graduates.

You can not call Pre 1 kids holdbacks. They aren't. I doubt ANY parent was thinking back when their son was 5, "Oh hey, maybe we should hold him back for an athletic advantage now." My kid is a Pre 1 kid. My kid was held back because at the adorable, tiny age of 5, he was not speaking yet, he was extremely developmentally delayed with his fine motor skills. When he was 5 and we were told Pre1 for him, my first thought was not AWESOME, my kid will be the biggest going into high school and have an athletic advantage in any sport he plays. No. My first thought was GOD please let me son be ok, please let these developmental issues not be something he will struggle with for the rest of his life. THAT is what was going through our minds. And I am sure other Pre1 kids were held back for the same reason. So PLEASE do NOT group Pre1 boys in with the rest of the boys who are held back PURELY for athletic advantage. My son, 15 as of the end of July, is the second smallest kid on the team. He is one of few on the team who has not hit puberty yet. But you know what, he works his [lacrosse] off to make up for his height, and he starts in a position that relies heavily on size.

If I am wrong, and Pre1 kids are held back that early for athletic advantage, then those parents need to put the crack pipe down. But my guess is most of the Pre1 kids and families went through exactly what we did, and were more worried about the future of their child as a human being than a jock. Stop calling Pre1 kids cheaters.

You can not call Pre 1 kids holdbacks. They aren't. I doubt ANY parent was thinking back when their son was 5, "Oh hey, maybe we should hold him back for an athletic advantage now." My kid is a Pre 1 kid. My kid was held back because at the adorable, tiny age of 5, he was not speaking yet, he was extremely developmentally delayed with his fine motor skills. When he was 5 and we were told Pre1 for him, my first thought was not AWESOME, my kid will be the biggest going into high school and have an athletic advantage in any sport he plays. No. My first thought was GOD please let me son be ok, please let these developmental issues not be something he will struggle with for the rest of his life. THAT is what was going through our minds. And I am sure other Pre1 kids were held back for the same reason. So PLEASE do NOT group Pre1 boys in with the rest of the boys who are held back PURELY for athletic advantage. My son, 15 as of the end of July, is the second smallest kid on the team. He is one of few on the team who has not hit puberty yet. But you know what, he works his [lacrosse] off to make up for his height, and he starts in a position that relies heavily on size.

If I am wrong, and Pre1 kids are held back that early for athletic advantage, then those parents need to put the crack pipe down. But my guess is most of the Pre1 kids and families went through exactly what we did, and were more worried about the future of their child as a human being than a jock. Stop calling Pre1 kids cheaters.

You have a rational reason for your child being held back from going to 1st grade. And I dont think anyone has anything against what you have done for your childs education. But you must understand that to many your child is in a grade lower than what he should be by the State of Maryland start dates. Even if that is ONE day. While I know many use the term holdbacks as something evil..Your child was heldback from moving on to 1st grade, and many are right calling him a holdback as it pertains to YOUTH lacrosse and State of Md standards.

Also you must realize that your son is getting an advantage that the majority or 99% of children arent getting. He gets to ignore the Sept 1 USl guidelines for age and overnight become the oldest ( or one of the oldest) kids on the team. If going by grade he stills gets this advantage as only a select amount of kids are heldback/prefirst. Why does your son get this advantage when 99% of the children in MD dont get it?? If anyone in Maryland your sons age was allowed to play exactly like your son..than there would be very little animosity about playing down, as anyone could play down that wanted.

While you say your son is small and works his but off, that is exactly how many other children your sons exact age perform now too. But they are going against kids older than them from 1 to 11 months...while your son gets to compete against children he is older than by 1-12 months. Who do you think will start?? Your son or the boy born same month as your son but a year different and younger by a year?? Your son more than likely. Why cant these kids get the same advantage your son gets ??

While your son may have the right reasons for doing prefirst as do others..Please dont kid yourself that many are doing prefirst for getting an advantage.