I have no horse in this race but just seeing all these comments makes me think that if the 2016 Orange is not finding any competition in the grade, they should challenge themselves against the 2015 Orange in a scrimmage or something. Would be a good test to see where they really are or if the grade is just not that deep beyond the Express. I think the Turtles (2017) usually try to play up so why not this team? Really, just a thought...not trying to be antagonistic.