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Re: Colleges, Coaches, Recruitment : 2013-2014
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do we know if programs like
Robert morris University
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Monmuth
Hartford
Quinipiac
Are fully funded D1 lacrosse programs???
Funding data is NOT publicly available from any central source. You need to have the conversation directly with the institution to understand their current funding levels.

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Re: Colleges, Coaches, Recruitment : 2013-2014
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do we know if programs like
Robert morris University
Providnce
Monmuth
Hartford
Quinipiac
Are fully funded D1 lacrosse programs???
Who cares if the school is good for your kid

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Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do we know if programs like
Robert morris University
Providnce
Monmuth
Hartford
Quinipiac
Are fully funded D1 lacrosse programs???
Funding data is NOT publicly available from any central source. You need to have the conversation directly with the institution to understand their current funding levels.


I can tell you that on the girls side Quinipiac is not, they have 11 scholarships.

Re: Colleges, Coaches, Recruitment : 2013-2014
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When or is it ok to confront a HS coach who during games verbally bad mouths his players behind their backs in front of the other players? Comments are personal attacks, not your typicall in game comments.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
When or is it ok to confront a HS coach who during games verbally bad mouths his players behind their backs in front of the other players? Comments are personal attacks, not your typicall in game comments.
Although not related to college recruiting, this is an interesting subject due to the perceived notion of the High School coach's role in the recruiting cycle.

Just as you would want the respect of the High School coach in all situations, it is important that the parent and student-athlete show that same courtesy.

Our strong suggestion is that a private meeting be held with the head coach to openly discuss the concerns. Come armed with written notes and very specific examples - do not let the conversation wander and be sure that emotion is left at the door. This is an opportunity to clear the air prior to a new season.

If the coach is not receptive to the discussion, arrange a chat with the athletic director and principal jointly.

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Now just need to consider if any retribution that may cause...

Re: Colleges, Coaches, Recruitment : 2013-2014
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Now just need to consider if any retribution that may cause...
There is a more important point here than worrying about retribution. How many players might have been negatively impacted by these childish coaching antics that you are reporting? The situation is undermining the coach's own authority as he/she is likely being viewed very negatively by the players. If your family is feeling this situation, do you not think others are also?

If you read the Mid-Atlantic Forum here on BOTC with the controversy surrounding Cabell Maddux, you will find a coach that has been reportedly pushing the limits of coaching protocol for some time. It took one parent with the courage to bring the situation to light. You are potentially in that situation at this point.

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Appreciate the feedback and advise.

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When or is it ok to confront a HS coach who during games verbally bad mouths his players behind their backs in front of the other players? Comments are personal attacks, not your typicall in game comments.
Although not related to college recruiting, this is an interesting subject due to the perceived notion of the High School coach's role in the recruiting cycle.

Just as you would want the respect of the High School coach in all situations, it is important that the parent and student-athlete show that same courtesy.

Our strong suggestion is that a private meeting be held with the head coach to openly discuss the concerns. Come armed with written notes and very specific examples - do not let the conversation wander and be sure that emotion is left at the door. This is an opportunity to clear the air prior to a new season.

If the coach is not receptive to the discussion, arrange a chat with the athletic director and principal jointly.


Make sure the superintendent is included in all emails. Remember, the Principal, AD and Coach are all on the same team.

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Any thoughts, either good or bad about the Top 205 camp? My son is not a Division 1 player, he will probably play D3 based upon the schools we have explored already. Is this camp worth it for a player looking for D3 exposure? If not this camp, are there others that can be suggested. Thanks.

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D1, 2, & 3 schools go to all the same camps. Your best bet is finding out what colleges your son wants to attend and find out when they are doing there own clinics which most schools do now. You will save thousands and tons of time. He will also have the direct attention of that schools coaches.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
D1, 2, & 3 schools go to all the same camps. Your best bet is finding out what colleges your son wants to attend and find out when they are doing there own clinics which most schools do now. You will save thousands and tons of time. He will also have the direct attention of that schools coaches.
Remember that college coaches want to recruit student-athletes that actually have an interest in their institution. Therefore, this poster has given the right advice : check the attending college coaches listing at each camp with your student-athlete's Top Ten Academic and Top Ten Athletic school lists. This will help direct your efforts, avoid thrashing between schools, and sharpen your spending during the recruiting cycle.

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BOTC provides this reminder of the remaining Board testing dates for the 2013/2014 academic calendar year.

SAT Test Dates
January 25, 2014
March 8, 2014
May 3, 2014
June 7, 2014

ACT Test Dates
December 14, 2013
February 8, 2014
April 12, 2014
June 14, 2014

Re: Colleges, Coaches, Recruitment : 2013-2014
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Originally posted on our BOTC Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 Discussion Thread, BOTC feels that the message here is compelling for all age groups and genders.

I am a parent of a 2017 player, and I am as disgusted frustrated as many others on this early recruiting process. Lacrosse is an expensive sport, and club dues for most of us run $2K to $5K per annum before any apparel or travel expenses to tournaments. I have heard some horror stories of club does running over $10K a year and really have no idea if that is true...maybe another poster could take that one. Add a private school tuition and it is a lot more. It should be sufficient to play for a good club and play competitive high school.

I am impressed and a bit jealous that on LI you have so many top flight public school teams and a very competitive league unlike anywhere else for public schools.

But everyone has the additional problem of too much is never enough with the showcases. As a parent, I could easily fill a dozen weekends with camps and showcases and club owners and coaches are tied to encouraging this to the kids to get noticed. A dozen more things at another $400 to $700 for 1.5 to 3 days of lacrosse to get noticed. If your kid is a Turtle or an LI Express or a Crab, is this really needed? Just me asking if there is anything empirical to validate the showcase business model. For a California kid, I get it that they would flock to these constantly. Is it worth it for a LI or MIAA school kid do that?

I took our son to our first two "prospect" days at universities in the recent weeks and have to say this does it for me without anyone's advice. For $200 or so a try, you can go to a school you are targeting for prospect day and at that day there will be a range of coaches from other schools that are D1 non power ranked to D3. That makes sense to me that the NCAA coaches know that a coach from a D3 school is not taking dinner bread from a UVa or a UPenn, so let the kids perform all day long in front of the audience they and the families want with the full attention of the coaches all day long. We have all been at showcases where the coaches have no choice but to move their lawn chairs around at each halftime to see every team or player, and then it becomes a sordid lottery whether or not your kid is on the field or is in a competitive game when the coaches they want to impress are watching. At one Fall tournament my son's team went up 6-0 quickly and the coaches filed out quickly and that is understandable...hard to evaluate kids beating up on a lesser team.

I think these prospect days are a big game changer. Already we have been in touch with two of our top choices and the coaches have each corresponded with us directly about the recruiting process. That is more than we had three weeks ago waiting on the club owner to arbitrate what players he wanted to showcase which sadly involves a lot of politics and nonsense that fills this thread up with repeat complaints. Long live prospect days.

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The New [lacrosse] Times has an article in Sunday's edition covering the recruiting of players before their High School careers begin. While focused on soccer, there are many references to lacrosse including the conflict between the IMLCA and the NCAA.

This is an excellent article which echoes many of the themes expressed and discussed here on the BOTC College Forum.

Committing to Play for a College, Then Starting 9th Grade

Some key quotes from the article follow.
  • “The most frustrating piece is that we haven’t been able to get any traction with the N.C.A.A.,” said Dom Starsia, the men’s lacrosse coach at Virginia. “There’s a sense that the N.C.A.A. doesn’t want to address this topic at all.”
  • At a meeting of women’s lacrosse coaches in December, nearly every group session was dedicated to complaints about how quickly the trend was moving and discussions about how it might be reversed. In 2012, the Intercollegiate Men’s Lacrosse Coaches Association proposed rule changes to the N.C.A.A. to curtail early recruiting. But the N.C.A.A. declined to take them up, pointing to a moratorium on new recruiting rules.
  • The early recruiting system has given significant power to club coaches, who serve as gatekeepers and agents for their players.

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