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The fix was in. Please list your best players for 2023 from Long Island.[/quote]



Obviously, its all of the Daddy Coaches kids. They play the most they must be the best

The fix was in. Please list your best players for 2023 from Long Island.[/quote]



Obviously, its all of the Daddy Coaches kids. They play the most they must be the best

If the roster is a joke we'll see how your kids measure up if they were even picked

You need a hug!

He nailed it though, didn't he?

its just sad. His son got cut and he's been spreading the same BS for weeks. Guy its over, team got better.

How many times are you going to write the same thing? Anyone who is interested read it the first five times.

Is the World Series age changing this September? My son waited for this for 2 years and now I'm being told it's becoming U14, with a 1/1/04 cutoff this year. Meaning 2023's will be young again

No change. Same as past year

Spalina looking to get his kid in it for the 4th time?

[quote=Anonymous]Is the World Series age changing this September? My son waited for this for 2 years and now I'm being told it's becoming U14, with a 1/1/04 cutoff this year. Meaning 2023's will be young again

Who is telling you this?

Anyone know who is coaching the 2023 Tenacious Turtles team?

Eligibility Rules - United States Teams
All players must be born on or after 9/1/2003. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.
All players must compete with their team or program on a regular basis. Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two tournaments (outside of a WSYL event), or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event. WSYL reserves the right to require proof of participation in these tournaments or leagues. Players cannot be added only to participate in the World Series.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program. Players will be required to submit a report card, school identification card, or comparable proof of residency.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All teams must carry between 18-23 field players and a minimum of 2 goalies at all times. Both goalies do not have to physically participate in the Regional Qualifier, but both need to regularly play within your club or organization and will be held to the same roster eligibility standards as other players. Total roster size can not exceed 25 players.
The only permitted roster modification after submission of the final roster will be the replacement of an injured goalie with another goalie pending a written request and WSYL approval.
Copies of birth certificates, proof of residency (report card from '16/'17 academic year & valid parent Driver's License), verification of health insurance accepted in the United States, and waiver forms, are all due:
West/Central Regional Qualifier: January 13, 2017
North/East/South Regional Qualifier: March 3, 2017

This was last year. Changing again.

Someone stirring the pot because of tryouts...Rules will remain the same!

Where can I see the Brine roster?

Exactly. You're pre 9/1 is too old. It stinks, but nothing is likely to change. Its one of the drawbacks of being a holdback.

and where are they going to be practicing?

NYIT, and Post

Gary Gait is the coach

No they're not

Yes they are. Moving the date to 7/1. Need to get Md. Pa Mass etc teams onboard.

Seriously?

How is this organization, when are their tryouts, is the team competitive?

That tells you how many holdbacks there are out there! Especially on the Mass and Md teams

They "used" to be the best...by far, key word used. Starting over will be tough

If they are practicing there then they are associated with the mighty express. It's strange they will be having tryouts at SB then.

S2S practices at Post also

This sport will continue to lose credibility as the rules continue to change to accommodate the cheaters. It will get to a point it's just not worth the money or safety risks. Soccer and hockey are birth year with photo ID. And football has same and weight restrictions. Level playing fields making skill and athleticism the winning factors.

Putting a 5'7" 125 lb manchild against a 4' 11" 85 lb prepubescent kid is a dangerous situation. Its becoming more and more common. Everyone jokes about the kid who shaves and drives himself to tournaments. Funny until the ambulances start arriving at tournaments. Shelling out big bucks to cringe when your son is taking a physical beating against a kid 2 years older is getting old. Now tack on thousands to go to Denver where ,"he who has the most holdbacks wins". It takes away the integrity of the sport.

And you're info is from where....

This sport will continue to lose credibility as the rules continue to change to accommodate the cheaters. It will get to a point it's just not worth the money or safety risks. Soccer and hockey are birth year with photo ID. And football has same and weight restrictions. Level playing fields making skill and athleticism the winning factors.

Putting a 5'7" 125 lb manchild against a 4' 11" 85 lb prepubescent kid is a dangerous situation. Its becoming more and more common. Everyone jokes about the kid who shaves and drives himself to tournaments. Funny until the ambulances start arriving at tournaments. Shelling out big bucks to cringe when your son is taking a physical beating against a kid 2 years older is getting old. Now tack on thousands to go to Denver where ,"he who has the most holdbacks wins". It takes away the integrity of the sport.

WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!

So does Empire Nassau

Is it ok for a 5'7" 12 year old to plummet a 4'11" kid? There are plenty of huge 12 year olds. BTW the vast majority of so called hold-backs are between one & three months from the 9/1 cutoff date - how this 2 year gap got started is b s. The playing field will never, ever be equal.There will always be bigger,stronger,faster & more skilled players - you cannot keep changing rules to accommodate weaker players. Maybe you should look into a weight limit as they do in football.

Cmon guy -- there are always the exceptionally large boys in a given age. Maybe 5% of any given group. And most of them haven't "grown" into their body so they are not as coordinated. In lacrosse 50-60% of the boys are above the growth chart for their age????? - -- strange coincidence. Especially when you don't see it in other sports. And it's fairly well known -- and most parents are no longer embarrassed to admit they have held their son back once or twice and they are playing below their age group. For WSYL to keep sliding the dates back to accommodate more "older" boys, only widens the age gap to potentially a year and a half older. And many of the players are not weaker at all -- they are in fact more skilled, but faced with a large size/age disadvantage in a contact sport -- which they would not be in any other sport. You may actually have a valid point -- WSYL is changing the rules to accommodate the weaker players -- they are weaker in their own age bracket so they have to play down.

Wish there were more teams that practice in Nassau!

"the vast majority of so called hold-backs are between one & three months from the 9/1 cutoff date" and you can cite this from where . . . ?

This poster is clueless. By using a 12 month window for game play, the amount of large, physically mature kids (when compared to their on age peers) is greatly diminished.

"There are plenty of huge 12 year olds." HA HA. No there are not. The large majority of 12 year olds are not huge, and of the few that are, most are a bit awkward and unathletic due to their size, and the fact that they are still only 12. The large majority of 12 year olds are well within a rather small parameter of height and weight. It is very rare that a 12 year old is the full package - tall, big, strong, fast, quick, athletic. But if you have 12 year olds play against 10 and 11 year olds, the amount of kids on the field who become dominant increases significantly. For instance, one of my kids is 12, and on age, he is very average athletically, size, strength, etc. Against 10 year olds, he would be a man-child beast who would score goals at will.

No one, and I mean no one, is looking to eliminate the rare kid who matures earlier and is tall, big, strong, fast, quick and athletic. The point is when kids play on age, such kids are rare. This is a classic straw man argument, and is an indicator that the proponents of such have no real argument.

The easiest way to determine that this poster is both clueless and without morals of any kind, and indeed a coward who wishes his kid play against younger kids, is that he (or she) thinks its perfectly ok to have kids play who are one and three months older than the Sept 1 cut off date. I find it funny that parents of older kids are the first to say to parents of younger kids "oh just suck it up", when they themselves refuse to have their own kids play against older kids. At least as far as NY teams are concerned, the large majority of players are born in the calendar year AFTER the Sept 1 cut off date. Yet this clown thinks its perfectly fine for a kid born Memorial Day 2004 to play against a team full of kids born in 2005 (many of whom are born well after Memorial Day 2005).

And notice how he says the "vast majority". This means that there are still kids playing who are even older than Memorial Day (full year ahead of their competition). And the amount of these yet older kids is not statistically irrelevant I am sure (meaning their are enough of them to affect the experience of their opponents). So the end result is you have a team with late 2003s and early 2004s playing against a team where nearly all kids are 2005, and spread out evenly through that later year. But yet if someone has a problem with this system than they are wrong.

Bottom line is that if you knowingly have your kid, year after year, play against kids significantly younger (more than a year younger) than him that it must be true that you believe your kid to be a [lacrosse]. No other conclusion can be drawn. The sad fact is your kid most likely is not a [lacrosse], and would perform fine against on age competition if you let him.

It is always hilarious to listen to the holdback apologists. The 2 year gap is in reference to the club teams playing in tourneys and local leagues during the year not the WSYL.

But since you mentioned it, I will explain the 2 year BS to you:

2022 player with a 9/2/03 bday is held back and plays against a 2023 player with a June, July, or August 2005 bday. Pretty damn close to 2 years don't you think? But looking at your post the on age 2023 kid is just a "weaker" player.

Look at all the contact sports:

Football - age and weight restrictions
Wrestling- age restriction and weight classes
Ice Hockey- age restriction

But somehow in youth lacrosse older kids should be allowed to deliberately play against younger kids so Daddy and Mommy can be proud of their little Johnny. Makes no sense

Well said! The US Lacrosse board could certainly benefit from someone like you!