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The program was punished, the boys are part of the program. It is unfortunate, but the rules are the rules. You cannot bend them to suit your will. What if one of the boys had committed some heinous crime? Do you punish the team? The coach? Who, where is the line drawn? It is a bum deal for sure, but that is that. The media has no responsibility to make a stand for the team, they have a responsibility for reporting the news.

That could prove to make for an interesting game

I see the WM closer than that. It will come down to the faceoffs and the goalies.

Your comment means it is all the players fault? Are the coaches held responsible in this scenario as well? Are you saying they have no talent but the coaching got them past Seaford!?

Again, by beating bad teams and losing to better teams is not only a reflection of the players on the field, the coaches need to take some responsibility as well. They cannot get past GC because GC in my opinion is a well coached team that has a system that you had better buy into if you want to get on the field. It is a two way street...

Original poster clearly stated repeating in high school

Another "rules don't matter" person - SMH!

Sooo, if its one BOTC its factual?

and please define upset..SSHS was a #5 they WHS were a #4..every game these 2 teams play is close..and by horrible call do you mean the actually counted how many WHS players were across midfield making them offsides? but at least the WHS fans handled it classy..not

Again, by beating bad teams and losing to better teams is not only a reflection of the players on the field, the coaches need to take some responsibility as well. They cannot get past GC because GC in my opinion is a well coached team that has a system that you had better buy into if you want to get on the field. It is a two way

Until they get new coaching they never will win the big game. GC Manhasset or any other team with good coaching. Changes long overdue there.

What are you the self appointed lax guru of high school lacrosse, nobody cares about your predictions

Wantagh kids need to buy in, stop being me first players. Sorry but a coaching change is not going to fix the attitude problem.

That is just not correct. March on grade kid would be 18 at graduation. Your son must be very smart to be so far ahead of his peers.

He is just trying to start an adult conversation about games. clearly post was not meant for a 2 year old like you.

What are you, the [lacrosse] of botc? You shouldn't be on here if you don't want to discuss the upcoming games. Plenty of people care. County and State Championships are on the line.

Maybe South Side just beat Wantagh?

Obviously you are not from Wantagh and know the inner working of the team for the past 10 years like I do. There is No game planning with film like every other top team in the county. There is No scouting of up coming opponents. There are no adjustments to the styles that your opponents play. They haven't ran a offense with motion and off ball movement for years, if they don't have the Stud player which they had a few the offense is stagnet. That has nothing to do with the talent of players. it has to do with the Coaching staffs commitment and willingness to prepare to be the best. Granted over the years their has been some selfish play and attitude issues with players but it was acceptable behavior in the mind of the coaching staff with No consequences Discipline starts with coaching at every level of play therefore it the coaching.

No not another rules dont matter person, just the opposite.

Weather a factor today yes they both play in it but not everyone reacts the same to it.

How can the kids buy in to a broken system. Wantagh gets out coached every year. Is it the kids every single year? The kids change yet the result is always the same. The coach is the only constant. Alot of those same kids play football and baseball. Why would they buy in there but not into lax.

Someone explain why the SJB JV team didn't play their playoff game? Didn't they come in forth and weren't they supposed to play ST.Anthony's?

How can you say you are a rules matter person when you say they should have NOT done what the rules clearly called for?

It's the kids, they are not a team, they are individuals wearing the same uniform.

Not sure JV goes to a 4th place. TMK, it has always been 2nd plays 3rd, winner then plays 1st seed (who gets a bye). Also not sure how many teams make up the CHSAA JV division, but who cares right its JV. Is it true they'll be moving up a sophomore at Chaminade? is it the ole rumor mill? or is it a DOB thing and where there's smoke there's fire?

Why yes SSHS did win 8-7, it says so in Newsday article. However, what the article omitted was the classy behavior of the WHS fans dreaming and cursing at refs and opposing fans when the game ended.

Obviously there are many dysfunctional programs on the Island. Both in Catholic and Public schools. Coaching seems to be the topic of discussion as teams seasons come to an end. Most feel their teams have under achieved and the reason is poor coaching. Many come on here to air out their issues. Some name their program others just speak their mind. I have read a few comments like why don't you speak to your coach or why air it out here. This is just my opinion but I think a lot of these people have spoken to their coaches or fear the consequences That the coach might take out on their child.

More often than not the coaches feel they are doing a great job. That they can not see the error in the way they are coaching. Some coaches just lack knowledge, some lack character and as a result they do a poor job coaching. There are also those coaches who fail to evolve with the game. Things they were doing 10 years ago that worked now dont. Their player selection isn't based on who's the better player or developing a player. They play favorites to certain families and or friends and even clubs. Programs see it all the time. When their team plays a well coached program they are exposed as weak yet they fail to realize it. I think this is where parents and booster clubs need to intervene. Speak up as a united front. You support the program. Pay for training, indoor practices, equipment, extra coaches. You have every right to speak to the coach.

I was at the game in the stands and I am a SSHS parent. I was unaware of any improper behavior by Wantagh parents/fans. Great game. The boys on both teams played hard.

Sorry to say but a good coach can make individuals play like a team. If a player doesn't want to or won't follow the directions the coach sets out they sit. When a certain play is called for and the player doesn't run it they sit. And you create that culture from the very 1st day-of 'practice Coaches don't realize that the players are kids and they will bend the rules as much as they can until they are reprimanded If a coach does not realize that the kids watch everything he does from how and when he comes to practice does he come early does he leave early or does he leave late so many things play into the way the players respect you.

Note to BOTC, you win some you lose some. The coaches and refs aren't to blame. Sometimes your sons team was just not good enough. But that's sports, there is always a loser and a winner. It's okay. That's why there are high school sports, to teach them teamwork, spirit and to handle adversity. It's good for them. So don't be sad, and don't blame the coach or the referee, just tell your boy he did great!

And who is to blame? It starts with the coach. The seasons outcome relies on what this coach gets from the JV. Wantagh has a do nothing coach that divides the kids into those that can do no right and those that can do no wrong. I guess 16 years without a big win is always the kids fault year after year. If the kids are not a team who do you blame? The kids? It's the coaches job to get the kids to buy in. Not happening here. Just a teacher with a side job. Nothing more. He should step aside and give the kids a chance.

A bad coach can 100% influence on the outcome of a game. Poor substitutions, poor player management, poor preparation and a poor work ethic that the coach brings to the team. Late to practice, first to leave practice. Just like a good coach can also influence the outcome of a game in his teams favor. Just replace poor with great in the previous sentences. Coach comes early, leaves late and is prepared everyday. Coaching is more than just putting players on the field. It's about preparation, practices that are well planned and intense like game situations. You play like you practice and if you don't practice with intensity you will play the same way. When you play an opponent that is just as equally skilled as your team the coaching and preparation makes all the difference. Thats why good coaches are in such high demand. Many are not aware of what it takes to have a successful lacrosse program on Long Island. Look at Chaminade with the talent that they have and all the D1 and top D3 commits they have I am surprised they lose a game. Yet a well coach team with 10 good players can beat a horribly coached team with 10 great players any day.

Great games today, seems to have gone as expected. Predictions for next round?

I have the Smithtowns in overtime, and West winning. This is only if West dominates F/O like they did first game.

WM over Hills by 2, but if Hills can limit mistakes, they could win.

No senior leadership, no off season workouts, no communication between upperclassmen and the boys coming up. It's the players, they have no cohesion, that's not on the coach

You will always blame the coach, can't be your kid, he's willing to put the time in, except he doesn't, and the dedication and desire aren't there, and that's on the kids, but to admit that hurts.

You are 100% correct there is always a winner and a loser. The issue at hand is when a coaches decision making actually has negativel influences on a games outcome. If a game is well played and well coached it's really pretty to watch. As a fan of the game you walk away thinking how great that particular game was and that both teams played well. Most teams fail to achieve their potential due to poor coaching. Players make mistakes and that's fine it's part of sports. Yet if there is no plan that the coach wants the players to execute, who's fault is it when the team plays poorly? I would say the coaches. Even teams that dont have a talent pool to draw from when well coached look some what decent.

That is correct and thank you for the response. Of course there were some upset fans considering the offsides was called at least 5 seconds after Wantagh tied the score with 4 seconds remaining in the game. I personally have never seen a call so late. The whole team had already rushed downfield to celebrate. I live in Wantagh and have no kids on the team but kudos to both teams on a good game

Stop crying you lost! Your team is not that good. You can lose every year and it not be the coaches fault. You need players to play together and have right mix of talent and Wantagh doesn't have it.

obviously there is some talent on Wantagh. but you are making it sound as if the coaches are losing the game. you sound silly. You lost to South Side. No disrespect but they are just an average team as is Seaford. These teams have not beaten anyone either. If you were as talented as you think then you would have easily beat them on talent alone and moved on to the next round. You didn't lose in the final against a top team????

A lot of very big ego's on this team & that is the parents fault not the coaches.