This thread will be used for coverage, news, schedules, standings, and results from the Spring 2014 NPYLL action in the Maryland area.

Who are the tops teams at each age?

Crabs
Madlax
Hawks
Club Blue
Arden
Vlc

This is at U15

13 u
11 u

This is after two weeks per the standings: http://www.npyll.com/Standings.asp?org=npyll.com


U9AA;
Hawks 2023
Bethesda LC-Blue
MADLAXX U9A Orange
Club Blue U9AA
Breakout
Cannon U9 Gold
Next Level

U11AA:
Hawks 2021
Bethesda LC-Blue
MADLAX U11AA Orange
Cannons U11 Gold
Diamondbacks 2021
API
Club Blue
Fearless
MD Xtreme

U13AA Blue:
Hawks 2019
MLC
Crabs U13AA
Fearless U13
Club Blue
Breakers U13AA
Triple Threat

U13AA RED:
Bethesda LC-Blue
MADLAX U13AA Orange
Next Level
API
Xtreme
VLU U13

U15AA Blue:
Zingos 2018
VLC U15
Club Blue
Diamondbacks 2018 LIME
Crabs U15AA
Breakers U15AA

U15AA RED:
MADLAX U15AA Orange
Hawks 2018 Green
Bethesda
Cannons
Hardshells

Looks like a pattern of a combination of Hawks/Bethesda/Madlax at the top

MdXtreme at the bottom

MDXtreme looks to be out of their element and has a long road head of them, only three goals scored after two games at the U11AA level. Bethesda beat MadLax last week (12-6) and the Hawks play Madlax this week.

U13AA is not completely recorded per the site, looks like 3 games have not be called in or played yet. Too early to tell who will prevail to the playoffs.

U15AA is wide open, very competitive league on both side (Red/Blue); Crabs beat Hawks by 3...scores of games are all over the place..

I think all games are recorded, its just that standings/records are only shown for games within your division

Example - U13AA MLC shows 1 - 0 but if you click their name you see they lost to Madlax

MD Extreme doesn't appear to be doing well at any level A or AA at any age - Can NPYLL remove them or do teams like having the easy win

Madlax is tops in 15AA

Hawks beat MadLax 7-6 this weekend 11U

What happened to Crabs and Breakers at U15 level? Big fall-off from last year.

Cannons and Maryland Extreme had only scored 4 goals combined against them so Madlax must be a good team

Hawks vs Bethesda should be a great game

This is what happens when you only see a boxscore without context. Madlax U15 beat the Crabs in OT, and the Crabs were missing a bunch of players, including several starters.

Saw the Hawks Versus Crabs and the Madlax vs West Coast All Stars games; the intensity that was played in the Hawks Vs Crabs way surpassed the intensity level that Madlax played the West Coast team. Can actually believe that Madlax vs Crabs was a fluke from the above statement.. Crabs & Hawks play with some major intensity and the long poles play at whole different level along with the speed of these teams. Not really sure who can compete with them but the truth will be told in the coming weeks... It will be interesting to see what happens when Madlax meets the Hawks or who will be the final four standing when the playoffs start...

Did you see Madlax vs West Coast Stars last Sunday? That was a scrimmage and depending on which game you watched MAdlax's 2nd or 3rd game of the day

This is what happens when you lose. Crabs make excuses

Not sure if it was the 2nd or the 3rd, game was in the AM hours (prior to noon, think it was around 10AM in the stadium, there were multiple games at Landon that day) and parent in the stands said it was Madlax U15AA. Not saying Madlax is a bad team by any means, think the final score of the game I saw was 9-6 (was definitely a scrimmage).

Can anyone out there give a overall rating of the U13AA teams?
1.Crabs
2.Madlax,Hawks,
3.?????

FCA better than all

Hawks have already beaten Crabs so shouldn't you start there?

The Hawks have not played the Crabs in the NPYLL according to the NPYLL site. In the U13AA bracket. And why do the FCA guys always break into the NPYLL site. Get into the NPYLL then talk.

Hawks played the Crabs a week or so before NPYLL. Beat them.

At u15 madlax, crabs, hawks and club blue should clean up on other teams and could each beat the other three on a good day. For now though you have to go on actual results, which probably outs madlax on top until they lose to one of the others.

At u13, you could probably make the same statement but substitute Bethesda for club blue.

I agree. Strongest teams at u15 are crabs, madlax, and hawks.

Any good matchups this weekend?

U15 AA Club Blue at Crabs should be a good game

Madlax is at the top. Then anyone can beat anyone top to bottom.

Couple of Crab kids had car trouble for the MadLax game and couldn't get a ride...now that they have their crs repaired and can drive themselves to games, WATCH OUT!

What happened to VLC? Did they just have one super U-15 team that is now a 2017 team, and that's it...nothing behind it? Surprised they were not able to build off that super 2017 team.

I think the class behind that class got split up and left for the new team Freedom lacrosse. I think the big thing is VA thinks they have more good players then they really have. So they keep making more and more travel teams and the talent keeps getting spread out. I think there is a travel team linked to every big NVYLL program in VA. So we need to push these teams back into each other or get more kids playing at a high levl.

No. Most of the va talent at 2018 is at madlax. Same at 2019.

I agree with that statement that most of the talent at that age level is at Madlax. But what I am saying is if you take the top 3 players off all the B level travel teams in VA and make one team they could play good games in the NPYLL AA div. But there is to many kids that feel they have to start and score all the goals so they go play for the local travel team and do not try out for the NPYLL teams in va. The parents use the money as a excuse as they drive away in there BMW. They are just scared there baby might get cut or will not start if they try out for Madlax or VLC.

had not heard of or seen Freedom Lacrosse yet. That's too bad for VLC. Apparently a bunch of the top kids from the 2017 teams are also dropping out for another Maryland All-Star team. One parent commented to me sick of the politics and favoritism not based on player ability in the Fall. That is pretty sad, it was such a good team.

I would agree there is too much dilution in nova with the plethora of club teams. But some of the lesser teams serve a useful purpose by giving less developed kids a home to grow. I would like to see vlc and madlax consistently draw the best and challenge marylands best.

By the way, what happened to the breakers after 2017? That class was strong, doing very well in the npyll and winning the tri state tourney. Their 2018 is not nearly as strong. Did they. Lose kids to other clubs or is it just an off year?

3d coming to DC metro area will wipe out VLC and Madlax and create the concentration of talent you are noting. Neither VLC or Madlax have been able to do it because both organizations are broken by politics / parent nonsense at the older ages when recruiting kicks in.

What and who is 3d and how are they completely immune to any politics? Serious question from current madlax parent.

There are a lot of misinformed posts/posters on this board.

First, at U15 Hawks, Crabs, Madlax are all excellent teams and could beat each other on any given day.

Correct that Madlax has most talent at 2018 and 2019. Also correct that with more and more youth programs popping up, talent is getting really diluted.

VLC's 2018s and 2019s weren't great last year; both are better this year, though not among the best in their age groups. They did add some good new kids...haven't heard about any kids leaving for Freedom. Freedom doesn't even have a U15 team.

Breakers 2018 is not as good as their 2017s but still a solid team. Again not as good as Crabs/Hawks/Madlax but hardly terrible. Let's not be so dramatic.

Not many programs have outstanding teams every year save Crabs. Madlax's 2015s are not good, 2016s are so-so. 17s/18s/19s are better.

VLC is the opposite; great HS teams, current U13 and U15s are not on the same level.

As for 3d 'wiping out' Madlax and VLC, don't bet on it. You think 3d has a magic cure for parental BS and egos? As long as there are only 10 guys on the field at a time no DC program will be able to get or hold all the elite kids. How's it going to go over when little Johnny doesn't get selected for the 3d national team?

The idea that politics issues are hurting VLC's HS teams doesn't add up with the fact that their HS teams are their strength and among the best around.

Whether you like Madlax and VLC and their people or not, there are a lot of talented players in the area and plenty of guys will want to play in programs run by local people who actually know the kids, regardless of how much money 3d spends on marketing hoodoo.

Interested to hear from those who disagree.

They where asking about the VLC kids younger then the U15 so that is where someone said the where at U13 freedom lacrosse. I agree that 3D will not take all the talent in NOVA. I think it will force the better kids out of these little programs up into the Madlax and Vlc teams

I am a VLC parent and posting for first time here. I am not informed about MadLax, and most of the parent peer complaints I hear at our son's age are about the high prices at MadLax. VLC dropped having a U-11 team and does one U-13 team and one U-15 team. That is not a philosophy to develop talent. It is a philosophy to do a All-Star team at each age. The VLC 2015 team is outstanding, the 2016 team is not, and the 2017 team is outstanding. I agree that you can't run a program to make everyone happy. VLC used to be a program where the kids tried out once a year, made the team and then after making a team had to earn playing time. If someone was better at your position they could take your spot or your playing time and the idea was to have kids who were ready for the recruiting phase. The 2017 team is a political mess like the earlier poster mentioned. Even though it is late in the game a lot of top players are looking to leave and are being invited to other top teams, including the new 3d invite only high school team. The problems started with the VLC rules not applying for everyone starting with bringing over a MaxLax kid and driving two great VLC kids away last summer. The fall was a mess. Bad tournaments that were barely attended by college coaches instead of the Terp Classic, and there are more than a few families of the top VLC players who were fuming that the top players were not being played in favor of the ones who were local rec team kids. These are not families who worry their little Johnny won't make a 3d team or a national team. Those kids have already been asked to switch and are guaranteed national team spots because they are very good players who don't want this stuff at an important time in their lacrosse lives.

This is why us Madlax parents pay the extra money. We might not agree with who or what Maddox picks. But we are for sure its picking the best players. I have seen him put kids that go to top private schools on his Blue/single A team so a "poor" public school kid can make his AA/ orange team. He has his issues but the best players play and thats all the parents should be asking for. So should I be looking for lots of VLC helmets at this summer madlax tryouts?

I echo that about madlax. The guy who runs it can be a jerk, but there is very little (I cannot say no) politics and he plays who he thinks can win. He also coaches well.

I have no grudge against VLC and would like to see them succeed. Have many friends playing for them.

Different poster here...I think you will see bunches of VLC helmets at Fall tryouts for 3d and will see some very elite VLC HS players at 3d tournaments later this Summer. Don't know about MadLax, but take your point as given. Once these kids are in 8th grade or higher the town or school bias is bad. The kids who put a lot into this deserve fair.

Madlax parents pay the extra money because Maddux put that policy in place to keep families beholden to him. The idea that Madlax is some saintly organization is a farce.

Noone called him a saint, including the MadLax posters. If he put a policy in place to not be political and to roster and play the best kids, then you are correct that the MadLax parents are beholden to that. I don't think any lacrosse club is rub b uhh saints BTW, and we all know this going in.

Yep Cabbel is no saint, but even with the new NPYLL age rules for Single A teams he still put his top players on his Orange teams and filled out the Blue rosters with the remaining players.

Some older kids got the ax, even though he could have played them up in AA and kept their $$

Agree with the posters re: Madlax. While Madlax and Cabell may not be for everyone, if you are a top player 1) you will get selected and 2) you will get playing time. Cabell is personally very involved in roster selection. Additionally, I have seen many kids start with Madlax on Blue, or B, teams and move up to the Orange teams. The converse is true too. If you are not a top player, you will not get on the top teams or see the field, and may move down to a lower level team. Very few, if any returning players ever get cut.
For all of the nonsense I have seen in youth sports, Daddy-ball and politics, Madlax is the one place that seems to do it best.

That's the way it should be best players play first.

11u aa blc over hawks

Who's going to win the U13AA this year. Madlax is starting slow but winning games. Crabs and Hawks still have not played but they are both putting up big scores. Who's the second best team in the Red Div. ?

After the game the Hawk boys went home and played with legos and the Crab boys drove themselves to the Greene Turtle for lunch

Does this guy know that BLC is not the Crabs?

blc = Bethesda Lax Club, but keep trying

Yeah what an a s s.

Looking like madlax, crabs, hawks and zingos at u 15. I don't know much about the zingos. Madlax and hawks in two weeks should be a good game.

Here is a new Deadspin POOP Show to talk bad about kids/teams or people we all know. http://deadspin.com/why-rich-lacrosse-parents-are-making-their-kids-repeat-1570381983

Stupid article

Kids of all demographics hold their kids back for various reasons

Inner city basketball players
Country folk football players
Latin baseball players

All are older

All of them except for the over 98% of the population that attends school correct to their birth year. And inner city basketball players never do this if they are strong enough to play pro. Those kids are eager to go out and want to play up not down.

Nice try. Facts got in the way. The article is completely fair.

Well the not fair part is they name kids by there name which is way way out of line. And the funny thing is no one says its on fair when a kids birthday make him the oldest kid in his grade. There is no cheating when the kid is 19 not 18. When someone finds a way to have a 20 year old kid play. Then that will be cheating. The other funny thing is no one is mad if a team has mostly sophomores and they play a team of all seniors. So would you like high school sports to have four teams and have them be by age. That sounds the most fair way to me. So what would you do if your son was not very smart and he got offered to play at a 35k school for half or more off. These school are not easy schools the extra year could help not smart kids to be ready. It all sounds like sour grapes to me.

I understand why kids are reclassified, but it does not seem to be fair in the spirit of fair play. My son has played on two elite travel programs within the past two years, but is not one of the elite players on the team. If he reclassified, he would probably be an elite player on that team the following year. But what is the point and what are you teaching the kid?

Seems like Karma to me. I'm all for calling out cheaters.

Sorry, but your facts are incorrect

http://www.nj.com/hssports/blog/boy...ing_back_in_middle_school_to_get_an.html

"And players repeating grades is not restricted to New Jersey. At least three of the top 12 players in the 2013 class nationally — Andrew Wiggins, Noah Vonleh and Wayne Seldon — repeated a grade. The No. 2 overall rated player in 2012, Nerlens Noel, also repeated."

"Coaches say the repeating trend has been going on for more than a decade — if not even longer. But the past five years, the fad has ramped up.

For instance, last season the St. Michael’s CYO AAU team from Union City won the 14-and-under state title. Afterward, Hurley said nearly the entire team repeated the eighth grade."

Me thinks you nailed it. Not just DC lacrosse players; it is anyone who wants an edge. It isn't cheating until it violates a rule.

Congrats, that's the dumbest statement I've ever read on this forum (and there have been some doozies). Reclassing creates an unfair edge which is the exact definition of cheating.

They are not 20 year old seniors they are 19 year old seniors and the rule has been for at least 25 years that you could only be 19 and play high school sports. Using that logic you can not hire a personal trainer because all the kids do not have a personal trainer. Its not cheating its looking out for your kid which is what parents should do look out for the best for there kid. They are not giving them drugs to get better they are giving them a edge to help them get to where they want to get. So if they do it when the kid is going into school and they hold them back that year is that cheating? Ok how about doing 1st grade twice is that cheating. I just want to know what year you do twice is cheating so I do not get called names on a lacrosse forum.

If your kid is that good there is no reason to hold them back.

Please distinguish an unfair edge from a fair edge?

unfair - reclassing, using steroids
fair - working harder than the next kid, not cutting corners, not taking the easy way out even if it's technically within the rules

Well said - totally agree! I want my son to work harder to become bigger, faster, stronger and better! Not send a message to him that it is okay to step back and compete against predominantly younger kids. A life lesson!

That is a very thoughtful comment. I am a MD parent. I know that this cure epidemic of parents pulling this nonsense around here is also the case in other regions. And all the apologists saying well hockey players and baseball players do it too just rationalizes taking short cuts to success. People who don't do that resent it at every level. I remember a baseball pitcher throwing Sosa and McGuire under the bus for roids...it is not just the glory those guys got for cheating...it was the money and years taken away from the pitchers with lower stats throwing to roided out players, and the hitters who had lower stats because they didn't roid out. It comes around eventually. A lot of the 16 year old 2017 commits are going to see when they get to college that being 18 months older or younger doesn't mean anything anymore in college. The best players don't need a crutch now. And those are the players who will play in college

Let us bring this conversation back around to the title of this thread, NPY LL. As everyone seems to be obsessed with the reclass issue, I would like to hear from others how many reclassifes are on each team.

I am particularly interested in the crabs, the Hawks, and club blue.

"A lot of the 16 year old 2017 commits are going to see when they get to college that being 18 months older or younger doesn't mean anything anymore in college. The best players don't need a crutch now. And those are the players who will play in college."

You may be mistaken on this point. At least one of the Thompson phenoms is 23 years old. While age may not be the determining factor in his success, clearly, it does not seem to hurt him.

It only makes a difference once you get to High School teams - NPYLL is age based, not grade based

Interesting point - the Thompsons don't strike me as being rich prep school types and yet there must be a hold back/repeat somewhere along the line

So only the Long Island families play by the rules. Of course they are also the ones that complain the most at every game about how bad the refs are so they must know the rules better than everyone else

It is almost impossible to become noticeably bigger of faster through hard work. Those are largely due to genetics. Maybe you can add a few lbs of useful muscle with training, and shave a tenth or do off your forty time. So, when it comes to size and speed, both of which are very important elements of the sport, you either got them from your parents or didn't. Now that doesn't seem very "fair" does it?

Except at the u15 level it can make a difference. It is a two year window, which only matters if you have an unusually old eighth grader-a reclass for example. The u15 group is what I am interested in.

Agree that kids are going to have natural advantages over other kids - thats life! But reclassifying is a means of circumventing the natural order.

The natural order or the arbitrary cutoff that has been chosen to choose which players should be lumped together

I presume you oppose college redshirts as well.

The last two commits where 100% on point. Also no one ever answered if its cheating if they hold there kid back in first grade. Or is it only cheating if its done in 8th grade????

If the crabs 2021 teams was playing npyll they would have to play 13u because of their hold back players.

After all the debates, these kids will eventually play high school and college. At those points they will be freshmen competing with juniors and seniors. Even if this route of being "reclassified" is taken, the path still means that you have to compete with older kids. Nothing Daddy can do to give junior an unfair advantage again at that point. This nonsense of being older that your grade peers is a crutch and only gives a kid a phony sense of accomplishment. It also screws the other participants who compete fairly. I'd love to see club teams drop any connotation of competing by school grade classification and see prep schools limit the 8th grade redshirting nonsense. If a kid repeats either 8th or 9th grade at St. Paul's, Landon, etc...then that counts as a year of high school lacrosse eligibility.

Maybe I am too old school, but I have heard too many times parents just rationalizing this nonsense by saying it is for academic reasons. Let's test that...if it really is for academics, then maybe the kid needs to focus on his school for a year and get better there. And it is consequential anyways because it takes a year of high school sports eligibility away. Let's smoke the phonies out of the system who are only pressing a reset button when junior doesn't have a good lacrosse resume as a natural rising 9th grader. We can find out real quick who the phonies are.

The entire argument is silly. the people who held their kids back in first grade because their kid needed more time to mature are clearly different than kids being held back in 8th grade to make certain the kid can make the prep team. 1st grader hold backs happen with lots of interaction with teachers based upon the child's ability to socially and academically meet the standards the state puts in place.

A parent that decides to do the same thing for an advantage in sports is cheating and justifies it by saying it happens in sports...They argue that speed is also an advantage? Really?

You all know who you are and you also know deep down, what you are doing is not fair. After a few cocktails and a conversation with the prep school coaches, you can justify anything, but in your heart of hearts, you know you are cheating and should be ashamed.

for those 1st grade hold backs, I don't have one, but if I did I would feel differently. You should be able to sleep fine because the decision you made was not to game the system, but to allow your child to be on equal footing mentally.

best of luck to all.

Best quote on this board. Amen. People can rationalize anything and just live a lie, but it is cheating. It catches up fast. A few of the reclassified kids who v erballed early locally are kn club teams where other players are passing them by as they grow & mature. Love seeing a real 14 or just turned 15 year old 9th grader bringing it. Good for those kids.

Equal footing mentally... Hmmm. Still gaming the system so your child has an extra year to assimilate. You did it so he will not be graded low and have that stigma stay. Instead you,head back so,he would've the brightest or brighter than he would have been if he started when he should have. Cheating any way you look at it.

I would have done it if we didn't need both salaries

First of all why do all you care what other people do with their kids? Stop trying to play God. You are the same people that come on here and say its just a game and that the parents are worried more about lax than their kids. Same goes here. You think your son is worried about reclassified kids? Nope just you because you are afraid you won't get something you want or lose something you have. Jealousy riddles society. If an extra year means getting your kid into one of the great academic institutions, then why not? Sounds like its more about investing time and money into our kids future. You are wasting your time crying about this topic. You think any of us are going to make a decision on our kids future based off of what you all keep whining about?? Really. Your resentful and it angers you so you call it cheating. I PG'd for football which is essentially the same thing as reclassifying. It opened up a lot of doors and choices for me on schools. Ones that were never even on the radar. Does that extra year help....of course it does. Now read my post real carefully so you can point out any erros with my grammar. While I'll be sitting here deciding what year we are going to reclassify our son.

You are a cheater. You have been cheating your entire life and it sounds like you are proud of it. Worse than all of it, you sound like you sleep well. You are the problem with society--

you can and will rationalize anything, any action or inaction that serves your purpose.

I feel sad for you and your family.

cheating is bad, doesn't matter if you can rationalize your choices or not, it is wrong and bad.

What a loser. lol. Someone who wants to give their kid a better opportunity is whats wrong with society. lol. Don't worry, you have a chance to play for the St. Louis Rams.

Dude, get a life. Read your thread out loud in front of a mirror while looking at yourself. Please stomp your foot everytime you say the word cheater. Your a cheater (foot stomp), its not fair (foot stomp),I want people to behave the way I want them too (foot stomp). Jerk off. Hold your kids back, who cares other than this newly drafted St. Louis Ram

you are too funny... this year lets hold him back a grade, next year we might need to "take out" that better D pole or middie...where do you really great parents draw the line?

Make him play against the smaller kids a full year less developed is ok, what about a nancy karigan deal? after all, you are doing it to give your kid a better opportunity.

A spade is a spade no matter what you tell yourself before bedtime. Hope it all works out for you--eternally...

Yep there you go right to an extreme. Nancy Karigan? All your character in a few paragraphs. US Lacrosse groups kids in a 24 month span U11, U13, etc. so it must be acceptable. As a spade i'll ask for your forgiveness now. Now the scorecard reads zero and my kid is still reclassified.

I really think it also comes down to the birthday of a kid. If he is born one day after the cut off and he gets held back he will be cheating by 1 day is this correct.

It's only cheating if it's not allowed.

Yes, you are a cheater. No need to expand beyond that one simple point. Good luck to you and your son.

Any way this can become the NPYLL discussion and all of the reclassifying "discussion" get moved to another topic thread?

Amen. At you 15, madkax won again yesterday. This sets up a showdown between undefeated madlax and one loss Hawks. Should be a good game ax these two teams have a bit of a rivalry at this age group.

You for got to stomp

Take madlax by5 over hawks.

U15 breakers appear to be on track after a tough start. Anyone know if they were missing key players those first few games?

This is a big weekend for U13AA Crabs,Hawks, and Madlax all 6-0. If the Npyll is not the over top spring league in the US what is? Do the top NJ/NY teams all play in the same or deferent spring leagues?

overall

All this talk on Madlax U15AA all season, looks like the Hawks handed them reality yesterday 12-7 Hawks win ..... Now playoff start in two weeks.

U13AA Crabs take the Hawks by a goal (9-8).. Looks to be a toss up bewteen the same three mentioned (Crabs, Madlax & Hawks; who is the fourth going to be?)

U11AA will history be a repeat of last years U11A between Bethesda Vs Hawks in the finals????

It is a shame that FCA cannot be part of the conversation. They would definitely be competitive with the top tiered teams in the NPYLL.

What a huge difference between quality of lax in NPYLL and other area leagues. Not even close. Great year so far, can't wait for playoffs.

15AA hawks
13AA hawks
11AA Blc

15A Hawks beat Madlax as well - great game by both teams

So the crabs beat the Hawks at U13 and you are saying the Hawks will win U13 kinda weird. Also if Madlax face-off man is healthy and in top form they can beat any U13 team. When will the playoff brackets be out?

Yes it was a great game. Madlax had the game and then Hawks O went off or Madlax D just went south. Depends on who you ask. Should be great games coming up with those two in two weeks.

Here are the teams with the best records for each division at the end of the regular season:

2018 (U15 AA - 8th grade) - Hawks (6-1), Madlax (6-1), Crabs (5-1)
2019 (U13 AA - 7th grade) - Madlax (7-0), Crabs (7-0), Hawks (6-1)
2020 (U13 A - 6th grade) - Bethesda (5-2), Breakers (7-0), Hawks (6-1)
2021 (U11 AA - 5th grade) - Bethesda (7-0), Hawks (6-1), Madlax (5-2)
2022 (U11 A - 4th grade) - Diamondbacks (7-0), Hawks (6-1), Bethesda (6-1), Club Blue(6-1)
2023 (U9 AA - 3rd grade) - Bethesda (5-1), Hawks (5-1), ClubBlue (4-2)
2024 (U9 A - 2nd grade) - Bethesda (4-0)

The playoffs will be exciting.

if that is the top teams it proves this isn't the best league in every age group. Most of these are very good teams but many of these are weak

The Hawks seem to have some consistency go on from all levels, to have a team in the top three at all levels, AA & A. Kudos to Matt Hogan for taking this program to the next level. Bethesda seems to be building from the bottom up, will be interesting to see this program in a couple years. Madlax holding strong and it seems with all the internet controversy it has not affected their program at all. When will the Crabs start investing time in to the American league (A), they seem to be one sided for AA teams only and really only concentrate on the U13AA & U15AA. Granted this is the first year they have had U11 team and sounds like they took Howard county U11 Select (2021A) without a problem (undefeated).

U11AA:
Pre-Season Bethesda Vs Hawks, Hawks won (same as last pre-season in U11A)

Regular Season Bethesda Vs Hawks, Bethesda won 12-6 (last season Bethesda won in OT)

Championship will it be Hawks Vs Bethesda (last season Hawks won with ease 13-4)

These two teams have a it out for each other so it is basically which team will post up. Once again Bethesda went undefeated in regular season so all the pressure is on the underdog who has not lost this season yet. It will be interesting.

The game to watch, if it happens will be U15AA Crabs Vs Hawks. There will be some serious wood thrown in this game, the last time these two meet you could feel the tension in the air.

Saw the hawks v madlax game at U15. Hawks were more aggressive, more physical and hustled more. Madlax looked sloppy and tentative. Madlax fogo kept this them in it until the fourth. I have also seen most of the other npyll teams. These two teams and the crabs are a level above the rest at U'15, with club blue right behind. Should be a good playoff.

The hawks were also very large. I am guessing they had a number if holdbacks out there.

Care to elaborate?

Every top teams in npyll will beat the top teams from hoco and myla.

I am asking the same question. That post could only have came from a FCA parent. The NPYLL is the best league in this area hands down. There is only one club in this area that could compete and its FCA at the AA level. There are some other clubs that could win games in the A div. but that is it.
I asked this before is there a spring league up north in the NJ/NY area that we could compare the NPYLL to?

I would like to think the crabs will be putting there U11 team in the NPYLL next year.

Nothing like it here on Long Island. I'm jealous.

This years crabs 2021 teams would have to play 13u in npyll they have play backs

I think the Hawks played FCA earlier in the year? How did that end up?

Why don't the Crabs ever enter any teams in the American League (A). Can we assume that the current Crabs U11 team will continue playing HOCO? I understand that they are playing in this league currently do to few kids not making the grade/age base cut for the NYPLL standards, which means hold backs on those few or they miss the age bracket by days, weeks or months. Not trying to start the whole age thing on here but why would you maintain a team with a few older kids who held back in grades or are just a little older than the requirements, instead just bump them up to the next level so you could maintain the standards set forth by the NYPLL and to have all your teams in the most competitive league. Its not all about winning but more about growing the sport in a competitive way. Let face it they will all see each other in high school no matter the age, its about competitiveness and good for the sport at a higher level. I could actually careless about the age difference and would rather see competitiveness grow across the boards instead of three programs always ruling at one level and crushing the other teams. There are teams in HOCO that should be in the NYPLL and then there are teams in the NYPLL that should be in the HOCO league.

"Every top teams in npyll will beat the top teams from hoco and myla."

This is comical. Not accurate. In fact some have already played and beaten the so called top teams. NPYLL is a good league. Not arguing that but don't make a stupid statement like the one above. There are teams in the hoco league that have beaten NPYLL teams and many of them won last year in summer and fall tourneys

If anyone on here knows, where will the strongest hawks and crabs be to HS next year? Just curious where those pipelines feed. My son plays madlax u15 , and his teammates are scattering mostly to private schools (Landon, gonzaga, PVI, sssas, EHS, etc) with just a few in the publics.

U15AA: Hawks won 9 - 7. Very competitive game! 0 - 0 end of 1st quarter, 2 -2 at the half. FCA up 4 - 7 early in the 4th quarter, but gave up the next five goals.

I saw most, not all, of the NPYLL U13AA Red and MYLA Club 2019AA teams play this Spring. The top teams from both leagues are very comparable. For the benefit of youth lacrosse in Maryland, the two leagues should find a way to combine or at least have inter- league play. Five to eight AA teams and five to eight A teams in each age group would result in much better competition for everyone. With the leagues as they are, half of the games are competitive and half of them are very one sided.

Many Hawks go to St. Mary's.

And Spaulding

I want a hamburger. No, cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips.

This is interesting. So what are you saying? crabs u11 and most other teams playing in this league do so because they have kids that really do not qualify for their particular age? AS an outsider to Mid-Atlantic lacrosse, would it be safe to assume if my son's team plays one of the programs outside of the NPYLL, they will most likely have older kids. I do agree with you on your point as to why a team wouldn't play in the NPYLL. Would love to have such an organized league in my area...

The MYLA club league was created to coexist with the MYLA Rec league. u11, u13 play on Sundays so that the players can play in their rec games. U15 club games played on Sat because u15 rec games are Sundays. The MYLA club league is organized by grade but not all clubs are. My son is on a "2019" team but all kids are in eligible for u13 events. So I'm sure some teams have hold back kids but not all. Last year teams were restricted to practicing only on Fridays - so that the club league didn't displace rec. They lifted that restriction this year which opened the door for clubs like Crabs whose players don't play rec and practice together 2 or 3 time per week. Also some looneys and fca teams went full time and dropped rec. But most teams are traditional summer clubs with kids who also play for their rec teams.

With the U15's playing on Saturdays in the HOCO/MYLA, several clubs like Arden and BLC (Bethesda Lacrosse Club) also played in the NPYLL on Sundays. It will be interesting to see if more clubs do this in the future at the U15 level since the club kids at U15 are less prone to play rec lacrosse.

I am all for Rec lacrosse and everything it brings to the sport. But I would almost prefer that the clubs go full time at U13. The level of coaching at Rec and the Daddy ball issues at rec are
out of control.

Lets all just be thankful there are two good club leagues in the area. Many states don't have these local options and are forced to travel. Also, the summer tournaments should settle some of these disputes.

I agree with there being two good leagues. I think the next good step will be to get these B level club teams in VA to get better and bigger and join the HOCO and NPYLL leagues. Va has the numbers but not the talent in the game. We have to play with the big boys to get the talent level up.

How does a LI team (not an express team) get into these leagues. Do they allow a guest team every so often. I know Express's Oyster Bay league had various out of state teams pop in to play.

Where are the top U13 teams playing. Anyone coming to Laxfest or any other Li tournaments. fl$ is always a good one. There is also a new one this year Bash at the Beach.

Top U 13 teams playing in Young Guns. Best challenge tourney in the US. LI teams will be represented. Iron sharpens Iron...(Harbaugh)

why cant NPYll release playoff brackets and times?

The teams schedule their own games. The end of the rec season, travel soccer tryouts, Memorial Day and Lax Splash all have to be worked around.

May 31 and June 1

Semifinal and finals weekend

It should be a crazy weekend. And it will just roll right into the summer season. Crazy time of the year for us Lacrosse nuts.

U15AA / 2018's - Crabs, Hawks, Arden and FCA Blue all play each other in the first round of Beach Lax in Ocean City on 6/07 & 6/08. Looks like Team 91 from Long Island will have an easier go of it in their division.

Beach schedule out....Crabs, FCA, 91 in the same bracket

Divisions realigned with Hawks and Zingos switching.

Crabs and FCA Blue - same bracket and first game out the gate.

Hawks and Team 91 - same bracket and first game out the gate.

I hope the fields are next to each other since they play at the same time.

U11A(2022)

(1) Bethesda vs winner (5/31) of
(3) Next Level Green at (2) Hawks (5/28)


(1) Diamondbacks vs winner (5/31) of
(3) Breakers at (2) Club Blue (5/28)

championship on 6/1.

2019 AA Hawks, consider moving to the U19AA Blue Division at Beach Lax. Your team would round out that side of the bracket nicely.

LOL I see that someone wants to bring back up the age thing. I will see how big this Hawks team is when they play Madlax U13 in two weeks.

If your comment is directed at my 10:56am post, I was not implying anything about the Hawks 2019AA age or size. I have seen them play a few times this season and they are very good. I have seen the Madlax U13AA team play this year and they are very good as well. It would be great if both teams were playing in the 2019AA Division at Beach Lax. What tournaments is that U13 Madlax team playing in this summer?

An American office mate took me into a twenty pound bet that he could show me a website where American blokes spend their days blogging about little kid sports. Get a hobby you nanny boys.

Thanks because soccer is so boring no one wants to talk about it.

Those of you without kids can go to the forums where you can discuss the teams you personally play for or to the forums where you talk about your cats. Those of us with kids will continue to discus their teams here.

FCA will be part of the conversation at Beach Lax, unless they get their wish and drop down to 13/14A Division. That should sum it up. They don't belong.

Am I missing something here? Why would they go down to the 13/14A division. It's a U-13 bracket. NO ONE should be 14 in this bracket, correct? Or is that how the Mid Atlantic interpret u-13? Please answer this for me.

Hunh?

13/14 is the same thing as u15. I think the original poster maybe be referring to 2018AA vs 13/14 A. FCA has their top u15 team in 2018AA and other one in 13/14 A.

Been a few years since I was last at Beach Lax with my son (we did a run of 5 years in a row). But I remember it as a spring closing tournament of mostly rec teams - before the club summer season started. After reading this post, I checked out this years teams and it now seems to be mostly club teams. Not sure what this means (if anything), but it sure has a 'bygone' feeling to it.

Beach Lax is a joke of a tournament.

uneducated, imbecile who shoots his mouth off without thinking (though a lack of education makes thinking difficult)

Granted that the fields, equipment (no flip-a-scores), and special rules (especially when weather and field conditions come into play) are less than ideal, but the level of competition is very high.

As long as the competitors are among the best, you can't say it is a joke.

There are much better venues, but not near the beach.

Thinking pretty clearly, I know there are two F.C.A. teams in the 2018 Class at Beach Lax. One in the A Division Pool, one in the Grade Based Pool. The team in the grade based pool is trying to move down to the A Division, this is certainly their prerogative. I don't understand why they would attempt to duck the best if they claim to be the best, they is the point I was trying to make.

No, they're not.

would be pretty weak if they did move down since they were undefeated in the spring league. but I don't think they would

Not sure who other than you is stating that they "claim to be the best". They are very, very good as are several other teams. The best teams playing each other is the way all of these kids get better. Unfortunately not all local clubs seem to think that way.

Who is saying FCA is the best? They just would like the opportunity to compete with the best and show that they can be competitive with the other elite teams. The FCA Blue teams are in the AA brackets with the big boys at Beach Lax.

Does anyone read before they comment, they are currently in the AA pool, but are looking to move down. If someone is willing to move up from the A bracket they will switch with them.

How do you know they are trying to move? Are you affiliated with FCA in some way?

It sounds like they are asking the other A teams if one of them wants to move up to AA. Guessing thats how this started.

Looking at the sideline of that game, there were at least 14-15 kids dressed on the sideline in addition to the 10 on the field so 24-25 in all - how many players does the U15 Crabs team carry? Madlax U15 Orange carries 22 looking at their roster page. If the Crabs were indeed missing a lot of players that's a HUGE roster...

26 on their web site

Who won the breakers next level game

Final Four this weekend - who wins the ship at each level, AA and A, and why

I see Madlax and Crabs in the U13AA final. And then the winner will be the team that wins more faceoffs, like all close games in lacrosse.LOL

So thy were only missing a couple, not several like a few had suggested. Should be a good weekend of lacrosse including quarters tonight for U15AA!

Hawks
Hawks
Hawks
Hawks
Hawks
Hawks
Hawks

thanks for the insight, never really thought about face-offs being a factor in who wins or loses

Am I missing something or is Madlax cheating by entering their U15AAA team in a U15AA bracket?

AAA? Is there such a thing?

Yes, you are missing something - a brain.

I think the team who scores more goals will win the game, call me old school

The AAA thing is something they started when a age group had three teams.

Well I guess people on here have to start using the little face icons to let everyone know when they are trying to be funny or witty. LOL

How do they stack up to 2019 91 orange Dune Dawgs and 2020 Crush.

Or are they just a step below/above

I think there is no way to answer that question right now but I would bet 100$ that the score would not be more then 5 goals + or -. After the young guns tournament I think you will know who the best U13 team is. I do not know what the Crabs are doing but Madlax will be sending there National team to this tournament . The team has about 80% VA kids with some kids from there other programs across the country. Do you know if either team plays the Crabs or Madlax this summer? If so where ?

Championship Sunday

15AA - Crabs vs Hawks
15A - MD Elite vs Hawks
13AA - Crabs vs Madlax
11AA - Bethesda vs Hawks

Anyone else know the rest of the championship matchups

U11A (2022) - Hawks vs. Breakers
U9AA (2023) - Hawks vs. Bethesda
U13A (2024) - Hawks vs (Breakers or Next Level)

Championship Games tomorrow, June 1 at Anne Arundel CC.
2023 (U9AA) Teams play at 9:00 a.m.
2021 (U11AA) Teams play at 10:30 a.m.
2018 (U15AA) Teams play at 1:30 p.m.
2018 (U15A) Teams play at 3:30 p.m.
2022 (U11A) Teams play at 5:00 p.m.

U13A - Hawks vs. Breakers, 1pm

Crabs over Madlax & Hawks in NPYLL Championships. Bethesda wins the U11.

Crabs won 15AA
Hawks won 15A
Crabs won 13AA
Bethesda won 11AA

This game was a Heck of a game. The Crabs goalie stood on his head at the end of the game. There was tons of talent on the field. I would have to say that these two teams are in the top 5 U13 teams in the U.S.

Did U15AA Crabs blank the Hawks? They just showed () as the Hawks score. I would have thought it would have been closer. Madlax Crabs was a great game thru most if it - Madlax fell apart in 2nd with turnovers and forced shots. Great spring.

Breakers won 11uA

You are spot on with Madlax falling apart during the 3rd. They came back real well in the 4th. I also think the crabs hustled more as a team then Madlax did.

Final was 11-10 Crabs, Hawks still playing Daddy Ball, will never get over the hump until that stops

Breakers fogo was amazing. Only lost 1 face off.

Breakers slow, patient offense resulted in tons of Hawks penalties and the man up offense did their job.

Really i had no idea that the Hawks had Dads coaching there teams. There club is as solid as you could hope from top to bottom. Us Va guys wish we had as many choices of good teams as you Maryland guys get.

Agree, probably 6 or 7 D1 Kids on that field. Unbelievable!

Can you be more specific on what "Daddy Ball" you are referring to? Don't make excuses for a loss. It was a back and forth game but the Hawks could not handle the offensive feed from X position and could not win the faceoff battle. So how did "Daddy Ball" affect the outcome of the game?

Congrats to the 15AA Crabs. They have a solid squad every year.
As for the Hawks still playing daddy ball. I didn't see that on the field yesterday. What I did see was a hard fought battle between to very skilled teams. This is what lacrosse is supposed to look like!

i believe the definition of daddy ball is having coach's sons on the field at crucial times when more skilled players are forced to stand on the sideline and watch.

So if the Hawks win then "Daddy Ball" is not an issue right? Get a grip dude it's a team game and your team lost. See ya this week

FCA U13 beats Crabs 7-2 at Beach Lax. Funny, I recall
earlier posts how no MYLA team could compete.

It will never work because some teams will not abide by the U-13 rules. That's the reason why crabs and FCA will not join. Just look at the tournaments they enter.

Correction...FCA U13 loses to Crabs by 1, U15 FCA
wins over Crabs 9-3

What excuses?

Hawks beat Team 91
FCA beat Crabs

FCA vs Hawks for the SHIP

How about them apples??

Since the FCA U15 Blue team beat the Crabs at Beach Lax yesterday 8 - 3 and won the Beach Lax Tournament with a 5 - 4 overtime win against the Hawks today, can they be crowned as the NPYLL Champs also!

Here are the NPYLL vs Hoco games in the Beach Lax Grade Based divisions (all other divisions don't appear to be very well regulated by age or grade level for accurate comparison).

2018 - (FCA-Hoco beat 3 NPYLL teams)
Crabs 2018 3 FCA Blue 2018 8
Arden Diamondback 1 FCA Blue 2018 11
Zingos 5 FCA Blue 2018 9

2019 - (Crabs-NPYLL beat FCS-Hoco)
Crabs 2019 7 FCA 2019 6

2020 - (4 games - all NPYLL wins - 3 NPYLL teams beat 3 Hoco teams)
Breakers 2020 6 FCA Blue 2020 4
Looney's 2020 Orange 4 Annapolis Hawks 2020 5
Crabs 2020 9 FCA Blue 2020 3
MD Roughriders 2020 4 Annapolis Hawks 2020 6

2021 - no NPYLL vs Hoco games.

2018 FCA Blue beat the Hawks as well. 2019 Low & Away from HoCo league beat Crabs.

If Bucks Select in the 2019 bracket could have held any late leads, they may have won the whole thing. Lost to Crabs by one, tied Team 91 and lost to FCA by 2. Had late leads in all 3 games. They are much better than their record shows.

I think the whole FCA and NPYLL thing came up because everyone thought FCA should be in the NPYLL not HOCO. They are a good team and should be in NPYLL with the other good teams. So if there is HOCO talk, Talk about the other teams in HOCO if they are winning anything or beating anyone. FCA is good we know.

I have had kids playing in the state of MD clubs for over 15 years now, and my oldest son is now a coach at a local club team. Full disclosure, we are NOT an FCA family but I have seen more in the recent years than I think is good for the sport that certain club teams are held out of the NPYLL league because the owner of the Crabs hates them and resents starting to lose to them. Bottom line is top to bottom, from high school teams down to U-11 FCA is clearly one of the elite mid Atlantic clubs and is one of the few clubs that has consistently been on a positive trajectory for the last 5 years. A lot of other programs rise and fall by the age group or as a program, but FCA has been consistent. All this trash talk about HOCO teams being glorified rec teams is pretty far off.

The Crabs FCA relationship took a big step forward at Beach Lax. The players will continue to exert pressure on the coaches until the two clubs are playing on a regular basis. It stands to reason. The kids all know each other, go to school together and the practices are less than 5 miles apart. Both clubs will benefit if they play regularly. There is room in Baltimore for several good clubs.

Sounds great. Now all you need is for the Crabs owner to be less of a self dealing jerk. Hope it happens. The families and kids deserve better.

Look at the caliber of coaching you get at FCA, combine that with off-season retreats, dinners, team parties and a group of families that truly respects eachother and genuinely roots for eachother's children. And you get all this for a fraction of the cost of the Crab program (full disclosure, at FCA you dont get helmets and gloves)

Is the FCA run by a church? How religious are their activities? I see they can play on Sun., so they aren't are zealous as Chick Fil A. I imagine they would be cheaper if a church was using them as a recruiting method.

At Crabs you don't get helmets and gloves either. You buy them at full retail on top of the fees that are more than double FCA's per season.

facts about fca:

-it was started 2 years ago. They had national teams prior but the club that you see now in local tourneys started two years ago.

-they started by taking coaches and players from other local clubs. Greene Turtle was one of these that was hit the hardest. Many FCA coaches coached at GT and depleted them when they started FCA

-Yes, it is religious.

-It is a good club but not for everyone. Many other good options that are just as good or better lax wise exist

-Crabs is a better organization for lacrosse top to bottom. Some FCA teams are weak

The Crabs are the well established premier program in the state that draws kids from a wide swath. FCA in just it's second year has made significant strides and is rapidly closing the gap. Parents are realizing there is a great alternative that is also teaching life lessons, less pressure, cheaper and by the way - is very good too! Last weekend at Beach Lax at the prominant youth levels of U15AA, FCA convincingly beat the Crabs and at U13AA lost by 1 to the Crabs. The crabs have been around a long time, FCA is just getting started!

No Ryan, They are not run by a church. They're a bunch of great kids who only want to play their many friends on Crabs, who are also great kids. Let them play against each other more often so they'll all be better prepared to beat out of state teams when they play in the MIAA.

The Fellowship of Christian Athletes is a nationwide organization based in Kansas City Mo, their headquarters is right across the highway from Royals Stadium. They sponsor teams and run camps throughout the country. While they are religious based, I don't think anyone is forced to drink the kool-aid.

Have a fifth cheeseburger for breakfast and move down the list to hate someone else today Ryan.

Have a fifth cheeseburger for breakfast and move down the list to hate someone else today Ryan.

Said the dad who's kid has been run over by the Crabs for 5 years. Kumbaya, pass the hat...the huddle leader needs to hit happy hour.

Whatever floats your boat Ryan. We are happy over here at FCA. And they are kids, remember? Or did that never occur to you?

Said the Crabs Dad who sits with other fathers in the parking lot of tournaments doing shots....classy group led by a tomatoe faced oompa-loompa who loves to take your $$$

Said the dad who's kid has been run over by the Crabs for 5 years. Kumbaya, pass the hat...the huddle leader needs to hit happy hour. [/quote]

Said the Crabs Dad who sits with other fathers in the parking lot of tournaments doing shots....classy group led by a tomatoe faced oompa-loompa who loves to take your $$$ [/quote]

Our 2015 son committed to a top 10 D1 school. Before he was being recruited we left the Crabs for another team not FCA, and I kept that last email from Ryan threatening to end my son's lacrosse career and some other pretty profane things directed at a kid. I don't understand why the Crabs way is to always bash everything else in sight. It will eventually cost Crabs good players and $$ paying families and NCAA coaches on the sidelines at the Crabs events. When you spend so many years and so much effort being mean onto others it costs you patrons.

The crying by FCA parents is laughable.

Didn't look like any of them were crying after they beat you at Beach Lax.

Said the Crabs Dad who sits with other fathers in the parking lot of tournaments doing shots....classy group led by a tomatoe faced oompa-loompa who loves to take your $$$ [/quote]

Our 2015 son committed to a top 10 D1 school. Before he was being recruited we left the Crabs for another team not FCA, and I kept that last email from Ryan threatening to end my son's lacrosse career and some other pretty profane things directed at a kid. I don't understand why the Crabs way is to always bash everything else in sight. It will eventually cost Crabs good players and $$ paying families and NCAA coaches on the sidelines at the Crabs events. When you spend so many years and so much effort being mean onto others it costs you patrons. [/quote]

Was the email as bad as the one that came from Madlax to the kid going to VLC last year? It would be tough to top that one. It didn't appear to hurt Madlax though-they a chugging right along as though it never happened.

[/quote] Said the Crabs Dad who sits with other fathers in the parking lot of tournaments doing shots....classy group led by a tomatoe faced oompa-loompa who loves to take your $$$ [/quote]

Now that's just funny . . .

[/quote] Was the email as bad as the one that came from Madlax to the kid going to VLC last year? It would be tough to top that one. It didn't appear to hurt Madlax though-they a chugging right along as though it never happened. [/quote]

I read that kid recently committed to a top 10 DI school too. Glad the Madlax guy didn't ruin him either .. .

Was the email as bad as the one that came from Madlax to the kid going to VLC last year? It would be tough to top that one. It didn't appear to hurt Madlax though-they a chugging right along as though it never happened. [/quote]

Telling a kid you will kill his lacrosse future or other negatives at a kid is classless. Sounds like both club owners are scumbags.

I wasn't at Beach Lax, genius.

LOL at dads boasting about which youth program is better.

Plenty of scared parents continue to give money to him at the youth level? For HS? He continues to see his top starters leave for other programs.

I wasn't at Beach Lax, genius.

LOL at dads boasting about which youth program is better. [/

Stupid, if you haven't seen them play how can you make the comment you did about the parents? And who is boasting about which team is better? All I'm reading is a discussion of both sides wanting to play each other more.

Ryan and his Crabs parents are right. Putting together a lacrosse team with kids and families that have Christian values is a gateway to nefarious social ills and lawlessness.

Plenty of scared parents continue to give money to him at the youth level? For HS? He continues to see his top starters leave for other programs. [/quote]

Crabs 2018s = mediocre. Crabs 2017s = mediocre. Losing to MadLax, VLC, Dukes, Eclipse, and mercy ruled by the LI Turtles 10-2. Crabs 2015, 2016 decent but not winning big tournaments anymore. Last great Crabs HS team is done, 2014s. No more Stanwicks and the now the club owner needs to deal with the fact that Crabs are no longer the best youth level program in Baltimore city limits.

Instead of signaling the decline of the Crabs, couldn't this just be an indicator of an increase in the overall quality of clubs in the area as a result of many more talented kids picking up the game?

Do all these teams hold kids back a year or is that specific to crabs?

Nearly every Crabs player is, but is also common in MD elsewhere.

I heard a story that Mark Millon had to be tossed from his U11 Breakers game when playing Brendan Mundorf's Bitmore U11 team at Summer Exposure. Anyone know the details?

Something about a Bitmore kid whacking one of Millon's players after he was on the ground, Million took exception with the ref's inattentiveness.

Why was Bitmore playing A and not AA ??? they where all 2021 team with an 2020 kid. Embarrassing trophy chasing.

Can't fault him for that. However, the refs seemed to be better than at beach lax. These refs ran from end to end for the most part. Summer exposure seemed better than beach lax in lot of way - score boards, time keeper, score keepers, end line balls, grass that had been cut in the last week, great tourney machine update - great tourney all around.

Philadelphia Freedom 2021 did the same thing. 5th grade team playing in 4th grade division. They pulled that 2 years ago when my older son played with Arden and beat us in the finals. This year my younger sons 4 grade team beat them. Embarrassing.

Lost stick at Summer Exposure today (Sunday) at the 2:40 game on Field 1 at Bell Branch (Tri State vs MLC U13AA). Stick was with equipment near the cement wall on the left side after you enter the park. Silver Tri Cor shaft, light blue end cap, light blue STX Super Power head with black shooting strings. Child that lost the stick is very upset. Please call 410 241 4726 if you happen to have picked it up. Thank you very much.

Summer exposure also showed a fairly even level of competition, but NPYLL had the edge over Hoco.

Summer Exposure NPYLL vs HOCO results:
U11AA - NPYLL 2 wins Hoco 1 win
Kooper's Blue 5 6 Annapolis Hawks 2021
Kooper's Blue 4 6 Annapolis Hawks 2021
Kooper's Blue 7 6 Arden Diamondback

U13AA - NPYLL 4 wins Hoco 2 wins
Lax World 5 4 Fearless
Annapolis Hawks 8 4 Rock 2019
Cannons Select 10 7 Rock 2019
Rock 2019 3 6 API Select
Rock 2019 8 7 Fearless U13
Annapolis Hawks 11 2 Lax World

U15AA - NPYLL 1 win Hoco 0 wins (missing results also)
Annapolis Hawks 10 2 Rock

Well organized, perhaps, but there seems to be way too many reports of teams playing down and roughing up the competition, without any enforcement by Hogan whatsoever.

Bitmore 2021 team is playing B at green turtle and the rest of the summer looks like many trophies for them. Congrats on playing down and not challenging your kids.

Until they implement age cutoffs, it could be said that any team with any 5th graders is playing down for trophies.

I think at the time of initial registration there were supposed to be three divisions.

AA Solid 5th grade teams
A Weak 5th grade teams/Solid 4th grade teams
B 4th grade teams.

Maybe the freedom and bitmore put themselves in the weak 5th grade category. Considering freedom lost to a 4th grade team and bitmore did not have an outrageous goal differential maybe that is not all that inappropriate

That's exactly what happened. They tried to convince many of the 2021 teams to move up to the proper bracket but none of them would.

In U13AA Rock - Hawks is wrong on website. Rock beat Hawks 8 to 4

I don't know all these teams like most of you probably do, but it looks to me like roughly only 8 of the 48 teams in the U11A division at Summer Exposure were 2022 teams. And looks like only 2 or 3 of the 14 teams in the Greene Turtle U11B division are 2022 teams.

Be nice if these big tourneys had 3 levels per age group: Older and strong, pure younger age, and true B teams or truly weaker (non-trophy hunting) teams. I guess that happens at U13 but not yet at U11. As it is, it is hard to know which division to pick if half your starters are 4th graders and you haven't played this teams before.

PS - The Diamondbacks certainly seems like the strongest 2022 team in the region.

Happens in U13 too, the Threshers (NY) had a team of mostly 8th graders (2018) playing U13A, several of the kids were as big as the coaches. They rode roughshod over their 6th grade competition and lost to Carolina Cannons in the final. Cannons must be an amazing team or equally large, did not see them.

Carolina Cannons does the same thing - they enter their teams one level too low

What a shame that teams can get away win this. I bet those 2018s are not doing this in any tournaments that Crush is in. Not a Crush fan, just saying.

Bitmore in A at GT. They were .500 in Hoco club league. never seem them play but wouldn't think they are "AA" team. Summer exposure had AA, A & A1 for u11. What is the lowest dicision. I would think that Bitmore going in the middle would be reasonable

Bitmore played AA in Hoco so why not play AA division of summer exposure. with the same teams they played all year. Lost to Crabs by 4 in season. Sound like trophy chasers to me. Bitmore playing A in summer exposure was a joke their kids where bigger than any team out there. Any coach could win with those kids playing in A. Man up and step up to AA.

meant not AA

Green Turtle schedule finally posted - U11A tournament "championship" teams is a crapshoot since most teams don't play each other, even within the same bracket

A mixed grade (2019/2020) true U13 team - with a bunch of U12's that is the makeup of the Cannons. A bunch of the boys were in the [lacrosse]'s U11 bracket back in December. According to the website suggested brackets U13A was appropriate. If you entered an all 2020 team in U13A you were playing up - so easy to accuse others of cheating when you lose

HOGAN LAX SITE:
U13
AA- for very competitive teams
A- for not as competitive teams
B- for teams with all first year (born between 9/1/2001-8/31/2002 or later) U13 players. No team with second year (born between 9/1/2000-8/31/2001) U13 players can play in the B Division.

Ok, so they played down in two age brackets, that does not help their case. When several of the kids on a U13 team (AA, A, B, X, Y or Z) are bigger than their adult coaches, something's not right.

seriously? are there no tall kids on LI?

There are plenty of boys out there born after 9/1/2000 who are 5' 10" and taller.
Keep telling your kids everyone else is cheating - in my son's middle school there are plenty of big boys. Ever watch a Florida middle school team on youtube? much better than St. A's Freshmen - not a lot of holdbacks in our schools either

Take a look at this article if you don't think Southerners are naturally bigger and more athletic - just wait until the SEC states start laxing more - Carolina isn't even the true south

http://www.scout.com/story/1404139-draft-stats?s=143

What I don't understand is how does anyone associate 2018 with U13? they are completely different from one another? Thats why you register in an "Age Group" U13 is exactly that..13years of age or under end of story. This tournament had every player register with date of birth. In fact some teams had to play up a division based on those registrations and because of those cut off dates. So as far as 2018 is concerned, it doesn't have a thing to do with this tournament.Every player is registered by age not graduation year..Now come up here to Long Island and play this weekend in the LI Lax fest. Thats by graduation year...GOOD LUCK!!!

Carolina Cannons have two U13 teams - and they put their top one in A bracket

Might be in the cannons name, the U11 Prince William Cannons played their NPYLL AA team down in A

Don't know why the dropped down also. They lost to a 2022 team.

This nonsense about playing down will only stop when EVERYONE holds back their kindergarteners and then repeats, I meean re-classifies in 8th grade

until then we are all cheaters exept for my son's team.

Grade has quite a bit to do with it. Yes, it was an age based tournament but the Threshers were the ONLY team in the entire U13 Division that had ANY 2018 players much less the majority of their roster. DOBs were not posted on the Hogan website - grades were. The only explanations for a team of 2018 players in U11 are:
1. 11 of the 17 players skipped a grade so they are not only a team whose players are in the 150-200th percentile height and weight wise for their age but they are also brilliant
2. The entire team cannot follow simple instructions to register
3. They were in the wrong division

U13 was a division with over 60 teams. Do the math-statistically and logically speaking if the only 2018 graduates out of 1,000+ players were all on one team it is logical to conclude that the majority of the Threshers were not U13.

This is an issue all parents should be concerned about, to maintain the integrity of the game and keep all of the players as safe as possible. No matter how you look at it - Threshers were not U13. Whether they purposely put DOBs down that resulted in them being classified in U13 or whether Hogan made a mistake, a stand up team would have said something the moment the schedule came out.

Additionally this team had the nerve to play U13A as soon-to-be high schoolers - not AA!

where is threshers from? if NY they have a jan 1 cutoff for school instead of Sept 1. Meaning kids born in the fall of 2000 would be going into 9th grade (2018) unless held back. In other state like here in MD the same kids would be going into 8th grade (2019). Either way they would be eligible for u13 tournament unless they actually lied about bdays. whether they should have been AA would be another story

Bitmore played a 2020 kid in 11uA. No wonder they won the tournament. Kid that old even if he made the 11u cut off by one Day man up and play AA. The kid is 2 to 3 years old then most playing 11uA. Every other kid listed as 2021 and you still played A and not AA. A bunch of sandbaggers.

Hard to believe that on the MD section of this site there are complaints about age...

Half of the players (in some cases more than half) on madlax and crabs and the rest are reclassified in 8th grade. Effectively being held back so they can compete against younger kids to look better and hopefully get a D-1 spot.

And you are complaining about a few age appropriate U-13 players because they are in 8th grade due to the school cut off dates???

Being in 8th grade doesn't make a kid bigger or stronger or faster. Being held back a year specifically to compete against kids that are a year younger is what MD players (and now some Philly players) are famous for; you invented it.

Not even close to being true about Madlax, but keep believing that everyone south of LI cheats to win.

Don't know about Crabs.

Not true at all for Crabs either. Would love to know where you get your misinformation. Unless you have hard facts you shouldn't spread lies.

CRABS 17'S HAVE ONE MIDDIE WHO WAS HELD BACK 2X...many others are hold backs as well

Are you saying that 2017 and 2018 mad lax and crabs teams are all age appropriate? Parents at various games have told me/estimated half have been re-classed or left back, is this not accurate?

The info comes from your own parents???

I think the mad lax 2018 team is playing this weekend at big 4 championship in Philly. I would love to hear and be very happy to hear, that that team is made up of year 2000 birthdays, or at least late 1999 birthdays.

The rumor is that half of those kids will be a year older, if it is not true then I apologize. Please set the record straight so there are no more rumors.

Our son plays in same tournaments and showcases as Crabs 2017 players. The bios for the kids go onto every tournament and showcase program including d.o.b. There are a total of four Crabs 2017 players born in 1999. And several of them were born in 1997. Are you trying to argue this is misinformation?

I'm talking about the Crabs middle school teams. I have no knowledge about the high school teams.

So, middle school means 2018. You are saying that the 2018 team is made up of all age appropriate players? I was told more than half are repeating 8th grade, but if you can prove other wise, we would need to apologize to crab nation.

Well then, the Crabs middle school teams are just not outed yet. Once they are in HS the programs include d.o.b. It is a constant that Crabs teams are rostered with mostly kids who have been held back once or twice. The popular grade to repeat is 8th grade because once they are in 9th it is too late. Most leagues have rules stating you can only play 4 years in sports but don't have age limits.

Gee, weren't we just debating who was lying and relying on misinformation? That one pretty much stopped when someone pointed to the actual d.o.b. for a CrabHS team. Now, the Crabs website does have the rosters for the Young Guns tournament coming up with a Crabs middle school team entered. Do you really want to be embarrassed by people pointing to that information provided by Crabs parents? Not misinformation or lying, so just stop.

I'm not a Crab parent, but are people complaining that Crabs have U13 and U15 players on their teams that might have been held back?

As long as the players are age appropriate, who cares what grade they are in, unless of course teams are playing in lower brackets in tournaments which I don't think the Crabs do

I'm no fan of the Club, but this seems like a silly thing to complain about

hold back players(born before 9/1/99), don't care about debate, it is what it is especially at 15-U level, a year away from playing against older kids anyway, just tired of uninformed debate, i'm sure these numbers are comparable on each team in the league

Madlax - 5
Hard Shells - 6
Crabs - 7

The number of holdbacks on the upper tier U15AA teams are probably pretty consistent with 4 to 8 holdbacks for the Crabs, FCA, Hawks, Madlax, Clue Blue, etc. So it is a relatively level playing field when they are playing each other. But the holdbacks increase the great disparity between the haves and have nots when playing the lesser teams which have less talent to begin with and lack holdbacks.

But, what about the kid that does not make the team due to the holdbacks or does not start / have a prominant role because of the holdbacks.

True, that when they are 17 and the undersized holdback no longer has the advantages that he had at 15 - will balance out. But what about that non-holdback kid that is denied something due to the holdbacks. Just saying!

You miss the point. Anyone playing u-13 or u 15 is not an issue..However, most tournaments now (last three years) are grade based, not age based. So are most recruiting camps --Jake Reid, Philly Invitational, Nat 175, adrenaline...

So, for example, a LI team travels to a 2018 grad year tourney. All players on that team are going have B-dates in 2000 or last month of 99. Or an age appropriate 2018 goes to Jake Reid next week--he is competing against another 2018 kid from MD that is a year older...

At the same time, the crab nation 2018 team is likely to have half of the boys (with 99 bdates, 1st half of 99) making them one year older than the avg LI boy. Why? Because MD folks have created a pattern of reclassifying their kids. It means they repeat 8th grade. Now do you get it? People are gaming the system to have their child look better. I can see why they do it, but it is not for me. Yes, I am a crab parent.

Looks like Crabs parents have more issues than just holding back in 8th grade >>

Thats not always true. We played a team in early fall from wading river and the coaches cursed at the kids, Grabbed the kids by their helmets and jerseys. The kids looked mortified by their coaches, We didn't see the refs stop the game or stop the coaches. So when is the balance between yelling and bullying going to end with lacrosse and other sports. Bullying doesn't make these kids more talented or stronger....it teaches them how to be cowards and how to disrespect others. the game has evolved but not in a good way. [/quote]

Our 2017 plays for a decent team in the Midwest and we were at the Baltimore Summer Kickoff. Same as prior trips up to Baltimore some of our games were competitive and some were not since the teams in the East are really strong. I was very disappointed in the levels of profane and classless behavior by parents in the stands, and what I could hear some of these kids saying on the field. In between those two points are a line of college coaches watching and listening. VLC 2017 and Breakers, nice teams you got there. The rest needs some work in this Mom's opinions. People notice manners, sportsmanship and respect. I realize you have some fancy teams and great players, but I would not want my son playing on your teams or anywhere near your crazy and profane parents. I was embarrassed for you and pray you can do a little better in the future. [/quote]

Our 2017 plays for a decent team in the Midwest and we were at the Baltimore Summer Kickoff. Same as prior trips up to Baltimore some of our games were competitive and some were not since the teams in the East are really strong. I was very disappointed in the levels of profane and classless behavior by parents in the stands, and what I could hear some of these kids saying on the field. In between those two points are a line of college coaches watching and listening. VLC 2017 and Breakers, nice teams you got there. The rest needs some work in this Mom's opinions. People notice manners, sportsmanship and respect. I realize you have some fancy teams and great players, but I would not want my son playing on your teams or anywhere near your crazy and profane parents. I was embarrassed for you and pray you can do a little better in the future. [/quote] [/quote]

2017 didn't have any Crabs teams

It did have teams from NY and NJ which explains the foul mouths

For the NPYLL teams playing U15A for the Greene Turtle this weekend, are they mostly true rising 9th graders (9/1/99 - 8-31/00) or are some of those teams known to have more than a few holdbacks?

Not trying to make a point. Would just be curious for when evaluating the gameplay Saturday. Seems like the D1 kids that left my area for private school all got held back/ reclassified, but no holdbacks on our U15 team - rather a several rising 8th graders playing up.

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2017 didn't have any Crabs teams

It did have teams from NY and NJ which explains the foul mouths [/quote]

Ummm, maybe you should read it again. VLC Crabs were mentioned as the foul mouths.

Actually VLC and Breakers were noted as being the nice teams and the poster noted that the rest of the teams needed some help.

Hmmm. My experience has been the exact opposite. Vlc might not be cursing, but the parents are the most arrogant, obnoxious, beer swiggling group of maniacs I've come across.

Hi, Madlax dad!

I would agree, and I am an FCA Dad.

Only on a Lacrosse forum do you yell at people for drinking BEER. I assume they where 21 or older. Lacrosse is becoming a more common game. Us people who only make 100k not 400k are have our kids play this game.

I think you are missing it. People were mentioning above that VLC and Breakers parents were drinking and were profane and classless. Don't speak for some of us people who are not rich who have kids and are families who act with class and sportsmanship. Our club lost some lopsided games to those teams, but we can be proud that our kids and families had sportsmanship and respect.

Please read the original posters comments. In that poster's opinion, VLC and Breakers were the only teams in that writer's opinion, that were behaved.

[quote=Anonymous]Please read the original posters comments. In that poster's opinion, VLC and Breakers were the only teams in that writer's opinion, that were behaved. [/quote

I disagree. The original poster complimented how strong the team on the field is and said the rest -- sportsmanship, class, the drinking and profanity -- needs work. And there does not seem to be a shortage of other posters and parents who agree 100% with that prior sentence. And believe me, the college coaches have noted your families are drunk lunatics. Sober up and show some class as an example to your kids at the next event. Your club should be better than this.

Sincerely, FCA parent.

FCA is one of the biggest reclassification offenders. Their parents are postiive on the sideline and I agree this is important. It is easy when you send your 15 year old Lions out to slaughter 13 year old Lambs.

Your inside the home values are much more important than the values you show off to the rest of the world.

I question the at home values of anyone who asks their 13/14 year old to repeat 8th grade so that they can spend the next few years beating on younger kids while chasing a college sport/admission dream.

Not FCA parent. But this is only the second summer of FCA Baltimore club so they can't much of a history of anything. Is it possible they just have really good players?

The FCA 2017's had 3 '18s playing up this past weekend...while there are a couple, FCA is on the low end of the range with reclassified kids. Please check the birthdates at the next event. While things can get heated between FCA and Breakers (great rivalry, all parents need to keep it in check), I would argue the FCA parents are among the better behaved.

She called a girl a gorilla. Honestly, do you want your daughter anywhere near a person who called your/any girl a gorilla?

The hold back/reclassification myth is just that, a myth. Yes, there are many youth lacrosse players in Baltimore that are old for their grade. This is a direct result of the private schools here aggressively pushing "pre first" years between kindergarten and first grade. Both of my kids did a pre first year and both are old for their grade. However, their birtdays are in the early fall and they are age appropriate for their grades (turning 12 in 6th grade and 14 in 8th grade). Even when they play on grad year teams, they are two of the oldest players on the team. They both play rec and club and know a lot of kids on the other teams. I asked them about this and they know of a total of 4 kids (Breakers, Turtle, FCA, Crabs) that have repeated or are planning to repeat a grade before high school. One did it for academic reasons and the other three are very young for their grade. To continue to assert that holding back/reclassifying is rampant in Baltimore is false.

You can say that if you like, but there is a huge tradition in the private schools in Baltimore and Philly of having 8th grade repeated. It is not a secret and it is not blown out of proportion. the families that choose to re-class their kids, are doing it for a competitive advantage. they readily admit as much. Their argument is valid, giving your child every advantage possible to get him into a better school...

I don't agree with it and haven't done it, but there is no rule against them paying for another year of school...

Sorry to hear that you only know 4 on all those teams. I now of 7 on the crabs 2018 alone.

"Pre-First"? The fact that it actually has a name and standing practice would make it reality... Not myth. Baltimore just has more money to do it.

wow - never thought I would see the day where people would infer that Baltimore is affluent

The irony of class warfare on a Lacrosse site is so so damn funny. Lets talk about all the poor black kids that would take all of our kids spots. You all will be begging for hold back rules for your kids when poor people find a way to play this game. I see it happening every year one rich white family finds a poor kid on there football team and brings them along to Lacrosse practice and start the ball rolling.

Pre first occurs at age 5,6,or 7 - to boys and girls - long before the parents know if the child will ever play lacrosse, or any sport for that matter. A very small number of boys that play lacrosse are repeating middle school grades for the sole purpose of gaining an advantage on the field. The whole thing has been blown completely out of proportion.

Things are already in motion: www.charmcityyouthlax.com

Any Green turtle results?

http://turtlelacrosse.com/Page.asp?n=4395&snid=dILB%5b6D%3FX&org=turtlelacrosse.com

All here

Madlax beat GT in U13A final
Hawks beat Breakers is U13BB final
Bethesda beat FCA in U13B

Bethesda beat their 4 opponents 38-4. Any good reason why the would enter into lowest bracket? They had some big kids and they could play.

Results from website

U11 A Bethesda 10 Greene Turtle 8
U11 B Diamondbacks 12 MD Elite 3
U13 A Madlax 8 Greene Turtle 2
U13 B FCA White 1 Bethesda Orange 8
U13 BB Breakers 6 Hawks 8
U15 B FCA 2 Roughriders 3

Because it is the Bethesda U13B Team. Younger Year U13 Boys. U13A Team did not enter tournament.

Sounds like they should have been in BB, also predominately 2020 kids, but stronger teams, and they could have used one more team.

Green Turtle is a great tournament. Terrific facilities, well run, good refs. typically very good competition, but it seemed down a bit this year. No Crabs, no FCA. Where were they?

Fca had a lot of teams there what tournament where you watching?

Only Hoco had one championship at GT sad npyll to domination over teams

didn't see FCA in 15A or 13A, did they play sunday instead? Dukes HHH?

Maybe FCA is taking the tournament the same way they took Green Turtle's coaches and players.

Whaaaatttttt????

Was this the last year for GT tournament ?

GT still plans to run their tournaments.

Bethesda U13 orange went undefeated in NYPLL reg season and lost by 2 to Hawks in semi. Madlax, Hawks, Breakers, Diamondbacks in same division in NYPLL, all went in GT as in BB bracket - as did other 2020 A teams like FCA Blue, Roughriders. What's the point of playing in 4 blowouts for them or opponents? If they were a new team or out of area and never played in a GT before - maybe I get it. Weak.

I am sure you are correct at 2020. My question was of U13 and U15 A brackets played Saturday. Where were FCA u13aa's and Crabs? Did they go to the Dukes tourney?

FCA U13AA and U15AA were at Warrior in Vail. In Baltiore, Crabs only play in Crab's tournaments.

Honestly - its simple answer on the Bethesda Team playing B instead of BB...... was an oversight. Not intentional to win Bracket. BB option was overlooked. Next year.....

Vail is a fine tournament and FCA has always gone. Few other elite Was Coast teams do. You're being a bit unfair...MD and other Atlantic teams flock to Mid Atlantic tournaments because the travel is easier and cheaper and the level of play is highest. Crabs happen to run a few tournaments and they are excellent ones.

Vail competition is pathetic. 3rd and 4th place MD teams in both U13 and U15 NPYLL and HOCO could go out there and win.

Not on website, but Breakers beat VLC in OT in the U15AA championship.

Not really. No Hoco teams entered U15A. And while NPYLL teams did win both U13A and U11A, the head to head wins and losses were very close. The B level does not have an upper age limit for the younger kids making it almost impossible to compare teams.

U11A NPYLL 6 wins Hoco 5 Wins
U13A NPYLL 4 wins Hoco 4 Wins

Pretty even distribution of head to head wins.
B Level games don't really count since so many teams have kids playing down a level. A Level at least has a hard age limit for the oldest.

U11 FCA is playing in the 2nd and 3rd tier at Madlax Capital Classic this weekend instead of the top two or first and 3rd bracket - anyone know why?

FCA 11u is bad team

They may not be as competitive this year, but there have been a ton of
families that have contacted FCA about tryouts for next year (and yes, a large
number of those families play for other top local programs). If a quarter
of these players tryout then next year will be a diff
story. After the pasting FCA U15 put on Crabs this
year there are a number looking to make a change
as well...times are a-changin.

And if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. Dream on

Sorry dude, as funny as that is, the above poster is right. The tide is turning quickly.

Greene Turtle packing it in, heard most of the better players interested in FCA as well. Breakers should benefit from Crab/Turtle departures...My son has 2 friends on Crabs U15 who are looking to leave after this summer...I am sure there are replacements out there but interesting shift of sentiment lately. Crabs no longer the revered program...parents and players looking for a better experience. I wish FCA ran a summer skills camp like the Crabs...there was a program in Baltimore last summer for the top rising freshman called Lacrosse Combine, can't find any info on that

Gt packing it in.

Thanks fca!

Turtle parent here. It wasn't FCA that ended the club, the founding
family had no more kids in the club and wanted to
move on. No one stepped up to continue except
a few age groups. We will be lookin next year, just hate
when clubs run 2 teams at older ages.

11 FCA is playing in the 2nd and 3rd tier at Madlax Capital Classic this weekend instead of the top two or first and 3rd bracket - anyone know why?




FCA 2021 (U11) lost to Hawks 2022 in Capital Classic. It was a close game.

So much for playing down for a trophy.

Dbacks 2022 went to Philly Showdown and won the 2022 division to end their season. Looking forward to play the crabs 2022 and fca teams next year.

More NPYLL - Hoco Matches at Capital Classic (AA level only listed)

U9A - NPYLL 1 win, Hoco 7 wins (Koopers and Snappers did a lot of damage)
U11AA - NPYLL 5 wins, Hoco 0 wins
U13AA - no NPYLL vs Hoco matches
U15AA - NPYLL 0 wins, Hoco 1 win

Overall - NPYLL - 6 wins, Hoco 8 wins.

The best part about this info is all the kids from those good U9 teams will be leaving to go play for a NPYLL team next year or the year after. I will never understand why the grass is always greener on the otherside. Or let me say its always better if "WE" start out own team "WE" can do it so much better.

crabs 2020 and 2021 play in the hoco league.

You should review some of the other threads as it may not be your best argument - Crabs are no longer the poster child for this region and their 2020 team gets a lot of bad press for coach attitude and number of holdbacks.

Crabs 2021 has lost to Bethesda LC U11AA twice this Spring - games were not close. Crabs 2021 has 7 kids who are reclass U13's. Bethesda was the NPYLL Champs and Crabs were HOCO Champs - because they are too old to play U11 in NPYLL.

I am just glad you guys are leaving Madlax alone for a couple of days LOL. Also all of your teams should just do what Madlax does. They play in U13 U15 tournaments with those age kids. Then they put together a national team with kids that are grade based to play in the grade based tournaments. Its not that hard to make deferent teams with the same group of kids for the same summer. Its kinda cool to see the teams change durning the same summer.

How was the Madlax/Cyclones U11AA championship game this past weekend? Seen both teams play this year. Madlax won 9-8, but curious how each team handled the other team's attack and midfield?

Dude, it was on ESPN3. You didn't record it?

The lefty attack from the Cyclones was crying like a baby
when the waitress accidentally forgot the cherry
on hi sundae.

So I guess some guy can not ask about a U11 game. Sorry you can only ask/care when your son is U15 or older. LOL

Madlax had better top 15, Cyclones more depth.

Capital classic was a weak tournament no good teams in 11aa.

Is this a serious post? Wow.

Cyclones are not that good

The Cyclones beat the Hawks 2021 team that made the Npyll championship game as well, so they must be pretty good.

Like I said a weak team

Hawks played in a easy division of npyll. That's the hogan way teams always in finals but never win.

Will Farrell needs to do a movie about lacrosse parents. I fault toward Old School as the gold standard, but would bet that a lacrosse one would be better.

Hawks played in every age division of NPYLL except for the U9a (2024). The Hawks were in 6 out of the 7 Championship games and came away with 2 championships. The Crabs and Bethesda also came away with 2 championships, but those were the only two championship games those clubs even made. So you are correct in that the Hawks lost the most championship games, but they also tied for winning the most. The most championship games other clubs made was 2 - (3 way tie between Crabs, Breakers, and Bethesda)

2014 NPYLL Championships

Crabs - 2
Bethesda - 2
Hawks - 2
Breakers - 1

I give clubs like Bethesda, Cannons, Next Level, Madlax, Hawks, and Club Blue a ton of credit. They field a team at every NPYLL age level and don't play down or go to a weaker league to try to get a slightly better record for one team or another. The kids are better players for it in the long run.

I don't see how anyone could say any division of NPYLL is easy.

Like I said east draw to finals just like their tournaments.

Why are you counting beyond the four AA divisions? Nobody cares about the kids/teams in the American (or A) divisions.

Not talking about tournaments, that is a different discussion. I'm curious to hear a real answer as how the Hawks have an east way to the finals in the Spring Season.

The A divisions are primarily the next grade level aside from a couple kids playing down as limited by NPYLL rules.

It works out like this.....

U9A 2024
U9AA 2023
U11A 2022
U11AA 2021
U13A 2020
U13AA 2019
U15AA 2018

WOW

Two of the best players on Madlax top U13AA team played on the U13A white team the year before which is the third team at a age level. Point being that A level on NPYLL has tons of value and there is tons of talent.

The Madlax U13AA team is pretty marginal, so the fact that some B/C level kids moved up doesn't say much.

Nope. The really good kids who are a year younger are usually playing up at the AA level.

Nope. The really good kids who are a year younger are usually playing up at the AA level. [/quote

Not true, the majority of clubs are basing their teams by grade, so the original post would be correct. The only exception would be 15-U A and it looks like a majority of those teams are 2nd teams in an age group.

For really good clubs, it is rare for younger kids to play up at AA. It usually only occurs when clubs have a weak turnout for tryouts. For well attended tryouts, there are typically older, bigger, faster kids with 1 more year of training and experience taking almost all of the AA spots.

Apparently NPYLL has made it official that they are following HoCo in how the divisions are made up for 2015. They are going to "scheduled" Graduation year for Divisions. (No more U9A, U9AA,etc.). This essentially doubles the number of teams clubs can field.

The 2015 season Divisions will be:
2024 AA
2024 A
2023 AA
2023 A
2022 AA
2022 A
2021 AA
2021 A
2020 AA
2020 A
2019 AA
2019 A

As a parent of two young youth players at the bottom of this school grade list I am sickened by the notion that the repeat a grade game goes earlier and earlier down into elementary grades. The club owners have a story and are sticking with it. This makes it easier to field more teams. No, it does not. Do more U13 and U-11 teams or do U13, U12, U11, etc. This makes it easier for college coaches to evaluate players by grade. No, it does not. Girls soccer players and boys ice hockey players play U-15, U15, etc. NCAA coaches in those sports don't seem confused about who they are recruiting at tournaments. And is there a point somewhere that this is making it easier for NCAA coaches to evaluate 4th graders? As a parent I find this pretty disturbing. If my kid is a great player, I can at my discretion risk playing him up with older kids. Have it this way, and my kid is thrust out there with kids much older and physically developed at a safety risk and I cannot have any discretion to manage that except for pulling my kids out of youth lacrosse. This is a horrible precedent for HOCO and NPYLL to follow and the club owners pushing this grade scheme are putting youths at risk. Please write to your NPYLL or HOCO club owners and coaches if you have issue with this. Don't wait for a kid to be seriously brain damaged before caring. These are your kids too.

With HoCo and NPYLL both going to the same grade based format, do you see a lot of clubs switching from HoCo to NPYLL or vice versa?

Do you think most of the clubs will add A teams to go along with the AA teams? or will some of clubs that did not do that well this spring drop down from the AA division to A?

It's hard to believe we are already at try-out time again.
It looks like most of the try-outs have moved up a month since last year so far. Clubs must be either playing in fall leagues or just trying to get the jump on other clubs. (There were some clubs that had early try outs then required quick offer acceptance or rejection last year.)

Here are some of the clubs that have already released dates.

Team Try out dates
API Select Aug. 24, Sept. 7
Cannons Aug. 10, 24
Crabs Aug. 17, 18, 24, Sept. 7, 9, 14
Diamondbacks Aug. 3, 10, 24
Hawks Aug. 9, 10, 17 (tentative)
Lionheart Aug. 24
Looneys Aug. 24
MadLax Sept. 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Zingos Aug. 16, 17, 23, 24

Wrong again. Madlax u13aaa has lost 2 games since t was formed in September. Lost NPYLL championship by 1 goal to the Crabs and lost today in finals of Young Gunz to the Dukes HHH. They have racked up at least 5 championships along the way, and hold a 2-1 record on the Crabs. Awesome team, and great boys. Very significant that boys can join program at A level and move up to AAA level as they improve. Little politics, best play because they play to win.

Madlax has its issues like all clubs but the parents know that the best play and it doesnt matter who your Dad is.

As opposed to VLC. Ouch.

not sure why the fuss about grade-based leagues and teams. unless you are advocating for single year age groups -- u11,u12,u13,u14 etc -- the age based format leads to plenty of mismatched competition in tournaments since they are always u11, u13, u15. For the record I'm not defending holdbacks. My kids are in the grade they're supposed to be age-wise and my 6th grader is on a 2020 grade team with just 1 kid who was held back when he was 5. when we play in u13 tournaments we play as a B team and we always end up playing teams made primarily of kids in their 2nd yr of u13. Maybe they aren't a u13 A team so they play B. skill levels might be similar but the size difference is huge. When we play grade the size differences are not as pronounced. Someone mentioned on of the crabs 5th or 6th grade team having 7 holdbacks. My guess most if not all of those kids had spring or summer bday. SO i'd rather play a team with 1/3 of the team a little bit older vs. a full team of older players. Now if tournaments and league went to single year age - that would be the most fair. But I have never seen any that do this.

not sure why the fuss about grade-based leagues and teams. unless you are advocating for single year age groups -- u11,u12,u13,u14 etc -- the age based format leads to plenty of mismatched competition in tournaments since they are always u11, u13, u15. For the record I'm not defending holdbacks. My kids are in the grade they're supposed to be age-wise and my 6th grader is on a 2020 grade team with just 1 kid who was held back when he was 5. when we play in u13 tournaments we play as a B team and we always end up playing teams made primarily of kids in their 2nd yr of u13. Maybe they aren't a u13 A team so they play B. skill levels might be similar but the size difference is huge. When we play grade the size differences are not as pronounced. Someone mentioned on of the crabs 5th or 6th grade team having 7 holdbacks. My guess most if not all of those kids had spring or summer bday. SO i'd rather play a team with 1/3 of the team a little bit older vs. a full team of older players. Now if tournaments and league went to single year age - that would be the most fair. But I have never seen any that do this.

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age based teams by calendar year makes sense. clubs are planning on going to grade based down to 4th grade so they can field more teams, make more money. should not be a concern to them to do it by calendar year d.o.b. for same. $$$ is still more and it is fair to the kids.

I don't understand your logic - most clubs already have two teams per age (typically older/younger) so how does going grade based change anything?

Most now have two per age group (e.g. U9A and U9AA). Now they can have two per grade. (2023 A & AA as well as 2024 A & AA will make up what was U9A and U9AA.)

Lot of kids repeat grades for sports in elementary and the sometimes again in middle school. that is what changes...held back kids are much older and bigger in the elementary ages and if two years older sometimes in middle school.

Good luck with that - not sure how many clubs will be able to have an A and B team at each grade.
One "feel good positive" is if a club is able to field 2 teams for a grade - it will keep little jhonny from getting his feelings hurt when he is placed on the B team instead of being cut and playing rec league

Good grief - a broken record with the hold backs.
I hear mothers are keep their babies in the womb an extra week so that junior will be born 4 oz heavier

Doctors at Johns Hopkins now working on a pill that will allow a mother to carry her child for 21 months, this will put a scientific end to all of the whining about holding children back. calling it The Year After Pill, other names under consideration The Baltimore Bullet, The Charles Street Cube, The Timer Off and The Delay of Game.

typical 2:31 AM comment.

How about "The 12 month non-releasable"?

USL guidelines:

Leagues and associations should organize competition by age, and consider physical, cognitive, and emotional maturity when grouping players. For leagues or associations in which some local programs choose to organize their teams by grade, those teams should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster.

Teams organized by single birth year or single grade are suggested, but if a league needs to group two years/grades together, it should strive to limit the maximum age difference between players in a youth game to no more than twenty-four (24) months.

Code of Conduct

Only head coaches are permitted to address the officials; coaches are expected to do so in a courteous manner. Adults involved with the game are not permitted to openly or maliciously criticize, badger, harass, or threaten an official. Derogatory comments are unacceptable and subject to discipline, including ejectment.

Has anyone seen an official release that NPYLL is going grade based?

Bethesda just released their tryout schedule for next year and they still have it age based

I heard Under Armour was sponsoring another club league in addition to the NPYLL and HoCo leagues. Anyone have details?

True

FCA U15 Blue wins NXT Cup in Philly. Big 7 - 4 win over Team 91 in semi's. Blowout win in championship game.

Nobody cares. The field in that tournament was weak.

Keep boasting about winning a youth tournament, though.

I heard Under Armour was sponsoring another club league in addition to the NPYLL and HoCo leagues. Anyone have details?



Any clubs already on board?

It would not surprise me if UA did a national club league with regions like what currently is NPYLL and HoCo. They are doing the same thing at the high school ages with the UA high school and club team shootouts. Several sessions each, tons of $$$$ and it feeds the apparel and shoes machine. Might be a welcome change. UA runs very organized and professional events. If HoCo and NPYLL did that, we would not have this 27 page thread with lots of complaints. I would trust UA more than the DMV club lacrosse overlords.

Weak tourney

The complaints mostly stem from age/grade cutoff rules and how they are enforced. I doubt UA has the answer to this problem either. And while I don't believe all of 'Lacrosse Vigilante's' accusations, he does have some disturbing things to say about how UA runs their teams and tournaments.

Most of the criticism of UA teams/events is that they are rigged. Well, no kidding. The evaluators are usually the same club / prep school pimps -- oops, I mean coaches -- who get to be the "objective" evaluators for the "anonymous" kids in three digit pennies. In the DMV area if you look over to the sidelines and see the usual suspect there to pimp their kids out, you already know the roster. It might not be bad to go UA league because the more power the usual suspects have over the leagues like NPYLL the more control they have over your wallets in the coming years. UA just wants you to buy their shirts.

And there you have it.... FCA U15 Blue??? YOU SHOULD BE PLAYING 2017, that's why you won! MD team playing down, yet again.

You are a dummy. I am not a FCA supporter, but the kids on their U15 team all fit the age eligibility for a U15 division, and none of them are in HS.

God, you LI dads are obsessed.

And there you have what???? A lifetime of breathing in exhaust from the Belt Parkway or LIE has really turned your brains to mush. You idiots have absolutely no clue.

Oh wait. I don't want to confuse anyone. Maybe I should change it to read "you're brains".

Moron yes you, just keep playing your kid down. They aren't in HS because they're hold backs and should be in 2017. All 2018's should be U-14. U-15 should be 2017, you obviously can't do simple math. Instead of playing in the bracket you should, you play down, because every time you play on age you get killed, sorry. Now go send your mediocre older player to some $30g a year prep school. Wait is that the phone, maybe it's Petro? He was so impressed with how your son played against younger kids he wants to sign him... No wait wrong number.

FCA parents, are there 2 differnt U15 teams? I heard about a white & blue team, which team played last weekend & which team going to fl$? do they just mix them up?

The both belong to the same Baltimore based FCA club. The Blue Team is their AA team and the White Team is their A team. The Blue Team won the NXT Cup last weekend. Both teams are entered in the fl$ / 3D tournament this weekend.

I am not sure why the FCA White "A" team is playing in the 2018 bracket. They should be playing down in the 2019 bracket as preparation for reclassifying to 2019 as they repeat 8th grade in September.

Is it accurate to state that the FCA Blue "AA" already reclassified and just completed their second year of 8th grade?

LOL @ Long Island.

1. My kids aren't held back

2. None of my son's teammates are heldback

3. Even if they were, they are all under the age limit for their division, so it's a moot point.

4. My son goes to public school

5. We aren't worried about college recruiting

6. You are an idiot

we call it 8th grade 2.0

I assume you are a "White" team parent. The "Blue" team is older than the typical U14 - clarifications are embedded
To be clear the above was a joke.
I don't know if you really are or are not a contributor to the problem. It is well documented that many MD prep schools and club lacrosse teams are chock full of boys who repeated 8th grade solely to gain an athletic advantage. I really hope that NCAA recruiters learn to see past the advantage a 15 year old has over a 13 year old and do a better job projecting how strong players will be at 19 years old

As a non-holdback parent with a son on a premiere team, I don't understand how the parents and their kids for the that matter, feel good about beating predominantly younger teams. I guess the elite teams (Club Blue, Crabs, FCA, Hawks, Madlax, VLC) have their fair share of holdbacks - but the rest of the teams don't. Most of the opposing tournament teams don't.

What about that one year window at U15 for the non-hold back kid that has limited opportunities due to the many hold backs in front of him? No big deal, I can hold him back and he will be one of the studs on the team next year - problem solved!

Crab kids now starting the double hold back! Pre first and
then repeat another grade while transferring
into Boys Latin. BL is the dumping ground for
academically challenged students or kids staying
back purely for lacrosse. I can't believe that school
would support this behavior but then again, they
went 18-0 and won a national title this year.

With the discussions of a possible third league entering this area they should consider having a holdback league and a non-holdback league since it is so prevalent in this area. Just like the body building contests that were steroid permissible and the clean non-steroid competitions. Then it would be a equal playing field for all.

News alert - the only people who consider this an "issue" are bizarre LI dads. Everyone else - including college coaches - doesn't care.

Look at hockey. Nearly every major prospect is older for his grade, and nobody cares.

You guys are great entertainment.

nobody cares huh????go back to your hole DBag..you are a cheater plain and simple...and you are teaching your kid to be a cheater.i hope i never meet you at a tourney...

Just to let everyone Know Madlax U13 National team. With all the kids on this team being of U13 age won the World Chamipionship yesterday. This team had 5 kids from other states but the rest was the spring NPYLL players.

Dumb [lacrosse], hockey is age regulated.... 99's 98's etc. Nobody cares about the 12 month window. It's you sick MD people that know your kid can't compete on age so you have him play down against kids 2 or more years younger. Then you are the bafoons that cheer the loudest when your son finally has success against the little kids. Sorry, but that is disgusting bizarre behavior. On the car ride home, do you actually say to your son, good job against those kids that haven't even gone through puberty yet? Did you ever stop and think of the lessons you're teaching your son? Amazing. You see I teach my son to challenge himself, as rising 9th grader he will be playing Varsity. He is learning the virtues of hard work and sportsmanship. Qualities in young man that will carry him further than your son's ill-gotten $8,000 D1 Lacrosse scholarship. Quite frankly, I have pity for you and your son. Sadly you and he, and the rest of your ilk are a disgrace to this sport. Clearly, you lack any level of self respect.
To the parents of the the kids in MD who play on age, it's time for you folks to call these people out on a regular basis. Have your kids be-little and shame these holdback kids. Face it, they are hurting your kids the most. Stand up and tell your clubs you won't play in any non-age based events. The sooner we can move to age based for everything the sooner we can get rid of these people.

You are uninformed. USA Hockey governs all youth hockey games, leagues and tournaments. There is one age category - the year you were born in. January 1, luckiest kid; December 31, unlucky. There is no ambiguity with USA hockey. Once you get to Junior Hockey this changes and you can have different age kids, but until then, up through U18 [lacrosse] hockey, you have to play within your birth year or you can play up. There is no reason why lacrosse shouldn't institute something like this at the younger age groups. Once you get to 9th grade and everyone is in high school it doesn't make such a difference, but before then it definitely does - an A-/B+ player in his correct age group (not grade) becomes an absolute stud once they are heldback/reclassed. Teams on Long Island follow US Lacrosse Rules and use either an 8/1 or 8/31 cut off.

I am a MD parent that has a kid that plays on one these elite teams and I think it is ridiculous! Of course the college coaches don't care. They would love to have 20 years olds coming to them if they could. I have never been involved in a sport where so many crazy parents think their kid is a division 1 athlete. So concerned about the dream of having a 25% scholarship.

Why would anyone on a NPYLL site care about what is done on Long Island. Why would anyone on Long Island care about what Maryland teams do in the spring league. What is done is done, neither side is going to change each other's mind, so for the love of god can we drop the meaningless debate about who is right and who is wrong. This is not hockey, this is not soccer, this is not AAU basketball, why can't this site and all of these sites be used to talk about all of the good things that this great game offers. There are different regional rules and everyone is adhering to them, so move on. Why can't this site be used to talk about a great play or players or teams you saw over the previous weekend, instead of so much rage? Why can't we just celebrate the game?

LONG ISLAND DADS ARE THE TOUGHEST GUYS ON THE INTERNET!

Hey, idiotic Madlax dad. Beating up on terrible teams from Colorado and the Midwest is not a "world championship".

It's called a festival for a reason. Look at this lineup:

http://www.worldlacrosse2014.com/festivals/participating_teams#u13

Better yet, read this link: http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

I will know who you are...you are they guy in the pizza sauced stained wife beater, holding a solo cup of Budweiser yelling at the refs, coaches and other players on your son's team

As a MD parent of an age appropriate son, it's not that big of a deal...fair, probably not but you learn to live under the rules provided. Sure he's a bit smaller, but hard work and dedication can overcome that. No reason to get crazy, there are plenty of spots in college for hard working boys and girls that make sacrifices and dedicate themselves. This argument is old and tired

I don't think people care about what you do in NPYLL spring games, but it's unsportsman-like to have older kids play against younger kids in tournaments that your teams host. I guess LI teams could stay home, but lacrosse is a great game/community and it's great to play against out of state competition. But traveling long hours, paying big bucks, and being away all weekend during the summer loses it's luster when the MD teams roll out kids that are materially bigger purely do to the fact that they are older. Lacrosse is not governed by any one group, so there are loopholes. I think the more publicity that this issue gets the better. There are white trash families everywhere lacrosse is played - Long Island, MD, New Jersey, Upstate NY, etc., that's not going to change. And it's a competitive, physical sport so parents are going to get crazy at times. That being said, one issue everyone should agree on is that until kids hit puberty (set 9th grade as the demarcation point), they should play with kids their own age. And that can be easily fixed by US Lacrosse.

Thank you for totally missing the point of my original post, I find it funny you go into a forum labeled NPYLL SPRING League and say who cares about what happens in a NPYLL Spring League, there aren't any teams from L.I. in NPYLL as of yet, so why do summer tournament debates enter into this particular forum. just tired of the same old drivel. If you are that concerned, write a letter, start a petition, make a change. I don't think anyone from USL is trolling forums looking for answers.

Exactly
Why can't the LI dads stay in their own forums and complain about our teams, along with everything else they complain about?

It's a BOTC thread. I think the LI's poster makes totally valid points. If NYPLL - the premiere youth lacrosse league - moves away from age groups and to grades (like HoCo), it is essentially capitulating to holdbacks. Private schools are going to have holdbacks for 8t and 9th grade no matter what any of us think. But, as parents, we all have an interest in our kids playing kids of similar ages and sizes, in order to minimize concussion risk, if nothing else. And, as the poster says, it's ages 13-14-15 when some kids hit puberty much earlier than others, which worsens this issue.

So, hopefully folks are lobbying U.S. Lacrosse, which is aware of the issue and very concerned about the concussion risk. But, this is an internet forum and nothing wrong with posing that it would be regrettable for NPYLL to abandon age rules (to just get Crabs back in some age groups???). Be nice to see NPYLL go to U10, U11, U12, U13 and U14 and show some positive (at least from my point of view) leadership in this area.

NPYLL has already decided to go grade based - it is posted on the Bethesda and Next Level websites.

and thank you for totally missing the point as well

Your original post introduces lots of concepts there chief. Seems like most of the NPYLL rules carry over to your tournaments and the way the clubs form teams so while my post addressed a broader issue, the root cause of the problem may be how your NPYLL is structured. But you're right, this string is about NPYLL, so i'll go over to the "Baltimore games the system by having older kids play against younger kids" string.

It seems like most of the teams have their try-out dates set and are working to the grade based system. No mention of the Under Armour league on any of the club websites yet.

Team Try out dates
API Select Aug. 24, Sept. 7
Bethesda Aug. 24, TBD
Breakers Aug. 17, 24, Sept 7
Cannons Aug. 10, 24
Club Blue Aug. 24, 25-27
Crabs Aug. 17, 18, 24, Sept. 7, 9, 14
Diamondbacks Aug. 3, 10, 24
FCA Aug. 17, 24, Sept 7
Hawks Aug. 9, 10, 17
Lax Factory Aug. 24, Sept. 7
Lax World Aug. 31, Sept. 7
Lionheart Aug. 24
Looneys Aug. 24
MadLax Sept. 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Next Level Aug. 21, 23, 24
Rock Aug. 10, 17, 24
Roughriders Sept. 7, 14
Zingos Aug. 16, 17, 23, 24

[quote=Anonymous]Just to let everyone Know Madlax U13 National team. With all the kids on this team being of U13 age won the World Chamipionship yesterday. This team had 5 kids from other states but the rest was the spring NPYLL players. [/WORLD Championship?, what a joke. Who did they beat, East Cupcake and Chocktaw nation...please.
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It's one thing to complain (like a baby) about a few kids who may reclassify. Unless I'm mistaken, every tournament has rules as to the eligibility for various divisions. Those that are age based among youth divisions have clear rules about birthdays. So unless someone has a specific case of a particular club breaking those rules, there is no issue.

If a team has kids that meet the age criteria (regardless of their grade), then no rule is being broken.

You LI guys are clowns. Why not complain that HS teams are ILLEGAL because there are kids of varying ages/grades?

LOL @ LI.

Your as stupid as you are arrogant and you have totally missed the point. No one cares when the kids play in the appropriate age group.

The issue is when you take a team to a 2017,18,19 tournament and your kids graduating in those years have been left back. They are older and have been left back (not re-classed, they are left back) so daddy can get his boy to some D-1 program...

You can call it gaming the system and re-classing if it makes you feel better, but a classless, cowardly act nonetheless. Unless you are just doing it because your boys can't read by 8th grade?

For the rest of the parents in MD and Philly that refuse to be cowards and vote by putting your kids in their age appropriate grade levels (which I am sure is the super-majority)- thank you. It is unfortunate that a few wanna be families spoil the reputation of the community --I have had the privilege to meet many articulate and well mannered parents with age appropriate kids on crabs and madlax and dukes over the years when we gathered at various tournaments (LI Express).

So, just like most of you are not cheating, most of us are not drinking from red cups nor are we short fat Italian guys...

It is seemingly a rule in Long Island that "your" and "you're" are the same word. Are you guys really that stupid?

Let me guess, YOU'RE either from Dundalk or Bowie?

I am well aware that the tournament that Madlax won was a joke, But if I renamed it you would not know what tournament I was talking about. Correct ? I think the best part of this tournament is we on the east coast can rest easy for a couple more years that we are still playing better Lacrosse here on the East coast. I also wanted to point out that Madlax had a U13 only team play this last weekend and then put together a 2019 team the other weekend at Young Guns they came in 2nd. So the people crying about the reclass problem, there clubs just needs to move the kids around from team to team to even them out for the tournament they are about to play.

You could have just said that Madlax won the youth festival held in conjunction with the FIL World Championship. You know - the youth festival that nobody cares about.

World Championship. LOL.

Always the same with the weak, insecure people, losing an argument and say the other guy can't spell...Yes, all people on LI can't spell, but most work in NYC and double your income...No go home and get your shine box.

Eat what you kill, unless daddy left you some $. Good luck to you and "your" left back child. Can tell you one thing for sure, hope your kids aren't headed to wall street, the firms now understand your game and will be passing on internships for left back kids no matter where they went to school.

good luck working at under armour...

With out the hold backs crabs are average at best

Until next year - 2019 just completed 7th grade - many of the 2019s you refer to will become 2020s after completing their 1st year of 8th grade when they reclassify in September of 2015. It is the U-14/U-15 age that is the problem - 2nd tie around 8th graders at maryland prep schools

The lacrosse people in Maryland should get a prominent lax guy who graduated from Hopkins or U of M to run for governor. Then he can pass a law that kids can't start kindergarten until they are 6 years old instead of 5. This way you don't have to tell your middle school children who are doing well in school, but aren't lacrosse stars in their grade that they are going to repeat 7th or 8th grade so that they might get a partial scholarship for lacrosse in a few years.

If there is no money or free rides out there then why is everyone so mad about "cheating"?

Don't the kids get made fun of for being left back, even if others know they are doing it for lax? I would think the lax players that stayed on age, would laugh those kids out of the water- or is it that prominent- that sooo many kids do it? I also cannot fathom telling my kid who works his butt off in school for excellent grades; he needs to add another year to his schooling before college. Maybe some towns/schools are just more sports oriented and not academic oriented? The only kids I know that have ever been left back for a sport did so in HS and repeated 12th grade at a prep school. This seems more reputable, as you know the college wants you, but you need to prove yourself for one more year, as opposed to gambling whether or not your kid gets noticed playing with younger kids. I am wondering how many kids end up not doing as well as they hoped and if they could do it again would they- or is the success rate that high that only a small fraction fail to get into a better school. This is really a whole different culture and way of thinking. I still say go for academics, but best of luck to you all. And the questions asked were not to be obnoxious, really I am rather interested in the answers.

because the LI dads have to make themselves feel better by claiming the MD teams are cheating to win.

They also complain about the bad officiating, weather conditions, phase of the moon, etc.

Any excuse besides their kids aren't good

You just won the award for dumbest post of all time...

I couldn't care less about officiating, weather, etc. The holdback situation in MD is really pathetic. I would be embarrassed to watch my kid play against younger kids and then act like they're great. The simple way to do youth sports up until they reach high school is to do it based on age. Each team should have to play in the age group based on the oldest kid on their team. To throw out an early 2001 kid on the field against teams made up of predominantly 2002 kids is pathetic, yet it happens all the time (pick whatever age group you want). It likely won't be fixed until some kid gets seriously injured and the tournaments realize the waiver forms won't hold up in a law suit. Size and speed are the real issues with playing down, put a kid out there who is small and he can be managed, but playing a kid who is bigger, faster, stronger with average stick skills, only because he's a year older, is lame.

You are an idiot. Almost all youth tournaments are age based.

It is amazing that you guys focus 100% of your lives on this non-issue.

what post is this in response to? use the "quote" button so people know next time...

This is pure nonsense. If a kid graduates from a top school with good grades nobody is going to care if he was held back, skipped a grade, or played for Crush.

When was the last time a team "only" from MD won the U-15 Championship??? UHHHH never, FCA won it with LI kids on the team, sorry, try again. That ol birth certificate rule always seems to get in the way with you guys.... Too funny.

MIAA Rules require that a player be U-19 eligible during the academic year they are playing. This implies that a 2x holdback will not be able to participate in school sports his senior year. Are there really examples of Kindergarten red-shirts who also reclassify in 8th grade? These players would not be U-15 eligible during their 2nd 8th grade year.

I assume most athletic assocations have similar age rules. Perhaps players do not care if they play for their HS as a senior???

I am not sure I like the reclassify term. I think of it as taking a Middle School Post Grad year before starting HS.

There is a boy who was top of his class in 8th grade, among the tops in 9th grade, left after the school year to repeat 9th grade (at BL), you are going to tell me that is for the benefit of his education (and oh yeah, he's a Crab as well)...2 more left private school after 9th to repeat at...drum roll please...BL...and both will be Crabs next year. Nice work BL, nice work Crabs, both embarrassing examples of what this sport has become.

Its called Sarcism!

What is "The" U15 Championship?

What is "sarcism?"

There are 2 Crabs that fall under this category (that I know of), 1 '17 and 1 '18 (recently "reclassified")

That is a total of 3 boys out of how many playing lacrosse in Baltimore? Unless you have hard proof of this happening in other programs, don't paint the rest of Baltimore with that brush.

I think the poster was clear that the Crabs were the main perpetrator

There is so much BS on this thread. 50% of the posts are from FCA dads who are upset that they don't get invited to Crabs tournaments, so they make up all these lies.

good luck with that...

After watching the World Games tonight, I think the U.S. should level the playing field and stop using holdbacks.

Crab Dad took off his son's Crab gloves and put down his beer to type something, and of course it is attacking FCA. Did you learn to type in your 3rd round of 8th grade at BL as well?

You need some new material.

From Long Island, never played FCA, have played Crabs...I do find it a disgrace that the Crab organization encourages boys to stay back. Is that part of their recruiting strategy. I get the notion that at college the age difference doesn't matter, but sadly, parents are buying into the notion it is better for their kids.

First of all, I really don’t think this problem is as prevalent as some posters have expressed. If you look at the rosters (including birthdays) of some of these “elite” teams, I think most readers would be shocked at how many of those big and fast dudes are actually age and grade appropriate. 1) Some kids are going to be huge PERIOD. 2) Some kids mature earlier and faster than others, and 3) some kids are just soo freakin’ good, it’s hard to believe they aren't “cheating”.

That said, some do hold back. For every kid that holds back for athletic advantage in Middle School, there is likely a more talented but less developed kid who is grade appropriate and was left off of the roster. What’s interesting about this problem is that the advantage created by holding kids back is only temporary. At some point Johnny catches up to Billy, and the advantage isn't there any more. Big deal. Right?

WRONG… the temporary advantage occurs at a very pivotal time for the kids. This is when high school club teams are solidifying their rosters for the next four years. Even the most mercenary of club program directors would like as little turnover as possible after the U15 season. They want to focus on getting their athletes recruited, building their brand, and keeping the machine running.

The temporary advantage also occurs precisely when NCAA coaches who get paid to “pick winners” are out trying to identify the next group of middle school athletes who will keep them gainfully employed for the next few years. Bottom line -- the coaches are at risk. Older kids are bigger, stronger, and faster than younger kids… temporarily. Bigger, stronger, faster kids present less risk … specifically during recruiting evaluations.

The temporary advantage issue is here to stay. The “self-preservation engines” are now running hard. Too many people in youth lacrosse have too much to lose at this point - the kids, the club program directors, and the NCAA coaches. There won’t be any grassroots momentum reversals as long as there are such obvious tangible benefits to stakeholders PERIOD. The only two entities which have the ability to reverse this trend (by setting rigid single-year, age-based divisions) are the tournament and league directors, but why would they!

FCA is just as guilty! As is Club Blue, Hawks, MadLax and VLC. It is a privilege and a right apparently among most of the private school kids in the Baltimore and DC area.

Can someone explain the animosity between the Crabs and the FCA? It seems both clubs can coexist in an area flush with talented lacrosse players

Well said. Here is a good article on the topic focused on DC and Md:

http://deadspin.com/why-rich-lacrosse-parents-are-making-their-kids-repeat-1570381983

Crabs threatened by FCA encroaching upon their domain as typically having the best teams in Maryland. FCA upset that Crabs will not allow FCA to play in their very high caliber tournaments (Crab Feast & Young Guns)or schedule regular games / scrimmages. There is enough talent in the area for both to thrive and enjoy a healthy rivalry. Crabs well established and FCA in 2nd year of local existence.

Correct except that the Crabs are not threatened at all by FCA.

Human Head Discovered In Hempstead Yard
Pair of Arms Also Found In Same Residential Area Of Long Island Last Week.....and these bozo's are worried about re-classification?

That's right, Baltimore is crime free. It's the armpit of the east coast.

It is Calvert Hall against Boy's Latin

Held my boy back in 5th grade after trying home schooling with mixed results. Has given him some time to mature vs others kids who have mustaches at age 12.

It has helped him in athletics and academics.
What's the big deal?

No it's not.

I home schooled my boy for 7 years and now he is back in 5th grade with mixed results. He is going to kick [lacrosse] at the 2020 tournaments this Fall, and it is a huge plus that he can drive himself to tournaments.

How do Breakers avoid all this local vitriol? Are they just really nice people or just so bad at lacrosse that FCA and Crabs would rather beat up on each other?

Is too

The difference is, your boy had mixed results with homeschooling and had you continued on within the same grade, he would have had gaps and would have suffered academically. He gained maturity, the gift of time and athletic advantage because of the homeschool mishap. This is different than holding your kid back just for athletic advantage, which many parents are doing. Terrible message to teach your kid IMHO- academics should always come first, not athletics. If your kid struggles academically, then maybe you have no other avenue, but certainly for the avg to above avg student, it is not a good move academically, if not needed.

Because the Breakers are a non-factor overall.

Like most clubs, with the Breakers, it depends which age group/grade you are referring to. Several Breakers teams are very competitive while some not so much. Only someone who is not familiar with all age groups and the overall lax landscape would make a comment like the above.

Any teams leaving to play HOCO or any HOCo teams coming to npyll?

It looks like Kooper's is leaving Hoco and founding their own league "maryland premier lacrosse league". Have not heard of any clubs moving to it. Don't know if it is the same one as under amour was supposedly starting.


It is on their site:

http://kooperslacrosse.com/app/index/list/?org=kooperslacrosse.com

What is Hooper's? HoCo is a joke and there are only 1-2 decent clubs who play in it.

Koopers started out by a group that MLC.

dave pietramala's kids play there and his brother is one of the leaders

HoCo had more than 1-2 good clubs (Green Turtle, FCA, Rough Riders, etc) and the Crabs were going to go there full time if NPYLL didn't go grade based

Will crabs have a 2022 team in npyll this year?

It does not look like Crabs are fully on-board with the teas for individual grades. Here is what their website says:
5th grade is 2022 and 6th grade is 2021, but the are writing it up like it is one team.

5th & 6th Grade:

Looking for athletic and energetic players who desire a very competitive lacrosse experience centered around systematic practice and high-end travel lacrosse competition. Commitment Level for this program is intense and additional Rec Teams is not allowed. However playing for your School Team is OK.
Open Tryouts in August and September.

Under 13’s:

Looking for 6th & 7th Graders who are interested in getting more out of their lacrosse experience and are interested in playing with the CRABS during the Fall of 2014 into the Spring/Summer seasons of 2015.

Under 15’s:

Looking for 8th Graders to play the Winter of 2014 and Spring of 2015 in the National Premier Youth Lacrosse League. This team will travel to Long Island and New Jersey to compete against other Top Club Teams in the region. Players with prior “AA” experience make good candidates for this team.

2018’s – The Fantastic Freshman

Calling for Top Notch 9th Graders who want to play Summer ball with some of the best players in the area. Joining the CRABS organization at this level is the best way to get into the club for the high school years. This group represents some of the best Freshman in the State.

2017’s – Super Sophs

The most important recruiting year, our Super Sophs traditionally receive a lot of interest at the various recruiting tournaments. Highly competitive, this team is very hard to make. Returning players must check with their High School Coach to make sure they are going to be available during the Summer’s main events. This needs to be clarified prior to securing your spot.



2016’s – NO TRYOUTS for 2014/2015

2015’s – NO TRYOUTS for 2014/2015
This team will play in the Vail Shootout in Colorado in June 2015

FCA fields good teams. GT used to field good teams. The club was going to fold before a couple people stepped up, but the teams are pretty marginal. Rough Riders is a terrible club. They get killed all the time.

Does anyone know for certain if NPYLL is going grade based this spring?

Come on now, you know Breakers only has one good team. As with Looneys, their 2020 team is good. For some reason there is a huge amount of talent at that age in the Baltimore region allowing Looneys, Breakers, Crabs and FCA to all field fantastic teams

Yes

Breakers are like many of the better clubs, They will have many competitive teams. They have more than 2020 that you claim is good.

Crabs and a couple other clubs were driving reasons for all teams to go grade base now.
Goodbye age based club teams in MD. Thanks to Crabs on encouraging holding back players and Thanks to Howard County Recreation Department for starting a Grade based club league two years ago with MYLA. Both should have a place in Maryland Hall of shame for youth sports.

The Breakers 2022 won it all last year and have a great shot at repeating (despite what the whining diamonbacks say)

agree about 2020. annap hawks, roughriders legit as well. Thunder, Laxworld, Rock may not be AA but still good. FCA, Looney's and now Breaker have decent second teams too.

Dbacks headed to HoCo and Koopers league. Npyll is wide open for 2022

dbacks moving all teams or just 2022?

Was that part of a club wide decision? Most of the Diamondback teams should play in the Hoco, but the 2022s could hold their own in the NPYLL.

It has always been wide open. I don't think the Dbacks have ever won the NPYLL championship.

Its will be wide open in 4 years when your best 3 players are Crabs.

The NPYLL has a lot of great teams and no one team or club ever just shows up to pick up their championship. (even with the Crabs taking everyone's top three players)

Because the Breakers are a non-factor overall.[/quote]

Like most clubs, with the Breakers, it depends which age group/grade you are referring to. Several Breakers teams are very competitive while some not so much. Only someone who is not familiar with all age groups and the overall lax landscape would make a comment like the above.[/quote]

Come on now, you know Breakers only has one good team. As with Looneys, their 2020 team is good. For some reason there is a huge amount of talent at that age in the Baltimore region allowing Looneys, Breakers, Crabs and FCA to all field fantastic teams [/quote]

Breakers are like many of the better clubs, They will have many competitive teams. They have more than 2020 that you claim is good.
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The Breakers 2022 won it all last year and have a great shot at repeating (despite what the whining diamonbacks say)[/quote]

That wasn't a Breakers 2022 team. It was a U11 team of mostly 2021 kids playing down in the U11 B division which was for 2022s

Like most clubs, with the Breakers, it depends which age group/grade you are referring to. Several Breakers teams are very competitive while some not so much. Only someone who is not familiar with all age groups and the overall lax landscape would make a comment like the above.[/quote]

Come on now, you know Breakers only has one good team. As with Looneys, their 2020 team is good. For some reason there is a huge amount of talent at that age in the Baltimore region allowing Looneys, Breakers, Crabs and FCA to all field fantastic teams [/quote]

Breakers are like many of the better clubs, They will have many competitive teams. They have more than 2020 that you claim is good.
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The Breakers 2022 won it all last year and have a great shot at repeating (despite what the whining diamonbacks say)[/quote]

That wasn't a Breakers 2022 team. It was a U11 team of mostly 2021 kids playing down in the U11 B division which was for 2022s [/quote]

You are either ignorant or just dont like Breakers or probably both. Last year the Breakers had a true U11 team. Half were first year and half were second year U11 players. They had Zero holdbacks on team but many other teams in NPYLL did. The league was screwed up as it started as age base but went to a quasi age/grade base league to accommodate some teams with to old to play in age(holdbacks).. Breakers played right were they should have as the lost a few and won a few. In tournaments they only played in A for age base not grade base. Any other ignorant things you want to sprew

I'm

Like most clubs, with the Breakers, it depends which age group/grade you are referring to. Several Breakers teams are very competitive while some not so much. Only someone who is not familiar with all age groups and the overall lax landscape would make a comment like the above.[/quote]

Come on now, you know Breakers only has one good team. As with Looneys, their 2020 team is good. For some reason there is a huge amount of talent at that age in the Baltimore region allowing Looneys, Breakers, Crabs and FCA to all field fantastic teams [/quote]

Breakers are like many of the better clubs, They will have many competitive teams. They have more than 2020 that you claim is good.
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The Breakers 2022 won it all last year and have a great shot at repeating (despite what the whining diamonbacks say)[/quote]

That wasn't a Breakers 2022 team. It was a U11 team of mostly 2021 kids playing down in the U11 B division which was for 2022s [/quote]

Breakers played within the rules and won. Get your excuses ready for when it happens again next year.

Come on now, you know Breakers only has one good team. As with Looneys, their 2020 team is good. For some reason there is a huge amount of talent at that age in the Baltimore region allowing Looneys, Breakers, Crabs and FCA to all field fantastic teams [/quote]

Breakers are like many of the better clubs, They will have many competitive teams. They have more than 2020 that you claim is good.
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The Breakers 2022 won it all last year and have a great shot at repeating (despite what the whining diamonbacks say)[/quote]

That wasn't a Breakers 2022 team. It was a U11 team of mostly 2021 kids playing down in the U11 B division which was for 2022s [/quote]

Breakers played within the rules and won. Get your excuses ready for when it happens again next year.

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Let me get this straight. Crabs is cheating with their holdbacks, but playing down is ok? How'd breakers 2022 do last weekend?

Breakers 2022 at Autumn Classic:
Beat Madlax A Team 5-4
Lost to Freedom 7-4
Beat Leading Edge 11-1

Crabs 2022 at Autumn Classic:
Beat Apex 16-1
Beat Bethesda 7-4
Beat Madlax B Team 15-1
Beat Freedom 4-3 (Champs)

This week Diamondbacks have games against the Sidewinders, Storm, & PLC.

Dback 2022 3-0 this weekend

Dbacks wins 2022

Storm 18-2
Plc 16-4
Sidewinders 17-0

Breakers are like many of the better clubs, They will have many competitive teams. They have more than 2020 that you claim is good.
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The Breakers 2022 won it all last year and have a great shot at repeating (despite what the whining diamonbacks say)[/quote]

That wasn't a Breakers 2022 team. It was a U11 team of mostly 2021 kids playing down in the U11 B division which was for 2022s [/quote]

Breakers played within the rules and won. Get your excuses ready for when it happens again next year.

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Let me get this straight. Crabs is cheating with their holdbacks, but playing down is ok? How'd breakers 2022 do last weekend? [/quote]

Breaker hater. They didn't play down. They played in U11A appropriate age bracket. You are ignorant as the NPYLL last year had no grade based leagues. They were trying to make grade based teams and age based teams mesh into a league. The NPYLL allowed 7 players to be to old to be appropriate age( U11). The older teams played U11AA. Breakers had Zero of these players to old to play U11 and a young team, So they played in A Diversion. So hopefully since you need to get this straight as it means so much to you, You straight now jerk..

what tournament?

Not exactly tough competition. When are Diamondbacks going to get back in the ring with some real competition? Heard they are even switching leagues this spring?

Navy shoot out

The Breakers 2022 won it all last year and have a great shot at repeating (despite what the whining diamonbacks say)[/quote]

That wasn't a Breakers 2022 team. It was a U11 team of mostly 2021 kids playing down in the U11 B division which was for 2022s [/quote]

Breakers played within the rules and won. Get your excuses ready for when it happens again next year.

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Let me get this straight. Crabs is cheating with their holdbacks, but playing down is ok? How'd breakers 2022 do last weekend? [/quote]

Breaker hater. They didn't play down. They played in U11A appropriate age bracket. You are ignorant as the NPYLL last year had no grade based leagues. They were trying to make grade based teams and age based teams mesh into a league. The NPYLL allowed 7 players to be to old to be appropriate age( U11). The older teams played U11AA. Breakers had Zero of these players to old to play U11 and a young team, So they played in A Diversion. So hopefully since you need to get this straight as it means so much to you, You straight now jerk..[/quote]

New to this discussion, but the NPYLL rules said that if you played in A, you could have a max of 6 players that were in 5th grade. So no, they didn't play in the division they should have.

That wasn't a Breakers 2022 team. It was a U11 team of mostly 2021 kids playing down in the U11 B division which was for 2022s [/quote]

Breakers played within the rules and won. Get your excuses ready for when it happens again next year.

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Let me get this straight. Crabs is cheating with their holdbacks, but playing down is ok? How'd breakers 2022 do last weekend? [/quote]

Breaker hater. They didn't play down. They played in U11A appropriate age bracket. You are ignorant as the NPYLL last year had no grade based leagues. They were trying to make grade based teams and age based teams mesh into a league. The NPYLL allowed 7 players to be to old to be appropriate age( U11). The older teams played U11AA. Breakers had Zero of these players to old to play U11 and a young team, So they played in A Diversion. So hopefully since you need to get this straight as it means so much to you, You straight now jerk..[/quote]

New to this discussion, but the NPYLL rules said that if you played in A, you could have a max of 6 players that were in 5th grade. So no, they didn't play in the division they should have. [/quote]

This is true. My son got picked up in February last year by a team in the A division and he wasn't allowed to play in games unless one of the other 5th graders could not make it that week. He only played in 2 Spring games and then played with them all summer.

Breakers played within the rules and won. Get your excuses ready for when it happens again next year.

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Let me get this straight. Crabs is cheating with their holdbacks, but playing down is ok? How'd breakers 2022 do last weekend? [/quote]

Breaker hater. They didn't play down. They played in U11A appropriate age bracket. You are ignorant as the NPYLL last year had no grade based leagues. They were trying to make grade based teams and age based teams mesh into a league. The NPYLL allowed 7 players to be to old to be appropriate age( U11). The older teams played U11AA. Breakers had Zero of these players to old to play U11 and a young team, So they played in A Diversion. So hopefully since you need to get this straight as it means so much to you, You straight now jerk..[/quote]

New to this discussion, but the NPYLL rules said that if you played in A, you could have a max of 6 players that were in 5th grade. So no, they didn't play in the division they should have. [/quote]

This is true. My son got picked up in February last year by a team in the A division and he wasn't allowed to play in games unless one of the other 5th graders could not make it that week. He only played in 2 Spring games and then played with them all summer. [/quote

You are both full of it and dont know what you are talking about. It was 7 players allowed not 5 first of all. This was more to accommodate the kids that were U11 playing U9, U13 playing U11,U15 playing U13 not the A and AA brackets. Now remember this was only after the NPYLL started last year as a age based league. Once the HOCO starting draining some grade based teams NPYLL tried to keep some grade based teams along with age based teams. The Hawks or Diamondbacks cant remember which, had something on their website about they would figure out where to play but go out by your grade ???
Out of 14 teams only 3 had a grade attached to them which also meant you could have holdbacks , most of the rest were U11 teams. not 4th grade teams.
Many of the teams were a mix of first and second year U11 players. Like in previous seasons the AA was the older teams and the A was the younger teams. The Breakers last year had half second year and half first year ( they only had 14 players total) This year half are still playing 2022 ( as it is all grade base now).
Are you from the either Hawks or Diamondback. They both beat the Breakers in regular season then lost in Championship series to Breakers. If you are get over it. It is U11???
Breakers played where they should have last year in a screwed up league that was both grade/age based league and letting 7 players in who shouldn't have. This year it is easy, it is grade base..no worries about 5,7,9 extra older players.
You guys are whiners . Nice effort acting like a different poster whiner.

So, who wins NPYLL this spring, curious about each age group and division

The teams defending their crowns are:

Crabs 2019
Annapolis Hawks 2020
Bethesda 2021
Baltimore Breakers 2022
Bethesda 2023

Crabs 2021 and 2022 may be moving to NPYLL to shake things up some.

Any other clubs moving in to take on the best? FCA? Looneys? Rough Riders?

Npyll is hardly the best. Keep dreaming

What other league in the DC Baltimore area comes close?

If you say HOCO you are nuts. LOL

Hoco league better at younger teams. Npyll better at older teams

I think NYPLL has better teams overall, but that doesn't mean that HOCO doesnt have some darn good teams also. just not as many. Also do think NPYLL is stronger at top ages/grades

HoCo younger champs-

2023 zingos
2022 rough riders (did not have good results at GT against NPYLL teams)
2021 crabs (moving to NPYLL)

This is a question about the NYPLL rules. According to the League constitution, article VIII, a player shall not be eligible to play in the league regardless of grade or age if they "have or are currently playing for a high [school] team."

I would have to imagine that most of the kids playing U15 or graduating in 2019 will be playing for a High School JV program this spring. Does the rule implicitly exempt JV programs? If not, is the rule actually enforced?

2019 is 8th grade - JV starts in 9th grade

2019 is 8th grade. most would not be playing jv even if allowed

I think it is permissible throughout most of northern Virginia for 8th graders to be eligible for playing JV lacrosse (someone please correct me if I am wrong); perhaps the prevalence of NPYLL kids trying out and/or making their local public school team is less than what I initially imagined.

I think there is only one or two countys in VA that allow 8th graders to play JV lacrosse in the public schools. As for the Private schools I have no idea I think its a school by school thing. So some kids might be getting bump up the depth chart this spring if the kid ahead of them makes his JV team.

the rule is likely to prevent kids playing in HS. ie 9th graders age eligible for u15 or 8th graders playing up to be ringers for Sunday youth games

Well there really should not be a Ringer in the NPYLL because they say/are the premier league in the area. I think a 8th grader who plays with his high school JV team should be alound to play with his club on sundays. But what I think the issue is how would the high school coach feel about his player playing a game on sunday?

How npyll teams playing indoor leagues

Cannons, Hawks, Bethesda in MMILL. (Outdoor lax indoor)

Hawks doing true Box also.

Madlax running true Box league also.

Bethsada looked good in indoor

Week 1 results for NPYLL teams:
U9
Bethesda LC 2024 Blue 23 SWARM 6

U11 A
Bethesda LC 2022 Blue 14 Cannons 15
FCA 2022 10 Hawks 2022 22
FCA U11 7 Hawks 2023 14

U13 A
Hawks 2020 Black 37 Zingos 12
Cannons 23 Bethesda LC 2021 Blue 20

U15
Bulldogs 20 Zingos 2019 9

JV
Rockfish Purple 22 Cannons Gold 32

Hawks

Hawks

Hawks

6th grade Bethesda team lost to 7th grade cannons team by 3 - impressive

Is that the same cannons team that is going to Tampa? They may not win a game in Tampa. Why go?

Who is going to Tampa?

Rumor has it Connons, Madlax, and Diamonbacks are all sending teams.

Madlax and Cannons are sending teams, the website lists who is going

Maryland Extreme is sending a U13 team, it doesn't get worse than that

I thought you had to win a qualifying tournament (aloha tournament?) to go. I know there are tons of them, but which tourney did Xtreme win?

They always enter the 'B' brackets of tournaments so they likely beat a few rec teams to get the invite

Bethesda 2021 team may be 2nd best 2021 team in the land, so that's not a suprise. Good for them.

As folks probably already know. [lacrosse]'s has so much geographic diversity that it looks like the top third may be elite, the middle third not elite but good teams and the bottom third not as good. Here's list as of 12/4

11 Division - 18 teams
757 Ironclads Select (VA)
Atlanta Empire (GA)
Cannons Select (MD)
Cherokee Xtreme (GA)
Cyclones Lacrosse Club (NC)
Edge Elite 2021 (ON)
FCA South Florida (FL)
Georgia Blue Jays (GA)
Heat Lacrosse (MI)
Kahnawake Warriors (QC)
Madlax Nationals (NAT)
Pasco Lions (FL)
Palm Beach Revolution (FL)
Rising Sons (PA)
Six Nations Royal Reds (ON)
Team Atlanta (GA)
Team Igloo (NY)
Valley Select 2021 (VA)

U13 Division - 21 teams
3d New England Select (MA)
757 Ironclads Select (VA)
Atlanta Empire (GA)
C2C Dallas U13 (TX)
C2C Georgia (GA)
Cannons Select (MD)
Chupacabras (TX)
Defenders of Troy (GA)
Grand River Ironmen (ON)
Kooper's Lacrosse Club (MD)
Madlax Nationals (NAT)
Maryland Xtreme (MD)
Oneida Braves (ON)
Palm Beach Revolution 2019 (FL)
Palm Beach Revolution 2020 (FL)
Pasco Lions (FL)
Rising Sons (PA)
Shamrocks (MI)
SoCo Lacrosse (MD)
Team Atlanta (GA)
Team Florida (FL)

U15 Division - 28 teams
419 Lacrosse (OH)
Atlanta Crush (GA)
Atlanta Empire (GA)
Black Jack Elite (OH)
Brady's Bunch (CA)
C2C Georgia (GA)
Copperhead Orange (GA)
FCA Colorado (CO)
FCA Lacrosse (NAT)
Florida Elite (FL)
Grand River Ironmen (ON)
Hartland Heat (MI)
Madlax Nationals (NAT)
NU Thunder (UT)
NJ Emeralds (NJ)
Ottawa Nemesis (ON)
Power Play Titans (MI)
Rising Stars (MA)
Road Warriors (NC)
Seminole Select (VA)
Six Nation Royal Reds (ON)
Sweetlax National 2017 (NY)
Team Atlanta (GA)
Team ONE Thunderbirds (IL)
Third Coast Lacrosse (TX)
True PA 2018 (PA)
V3 Elite (VA)
West Florida (FL)

such lax parent snobbery on the site. So they aren't AA elite. my kid's team played them in the fall nypll and I thought they we good and well coached. they won the B bracket in that. they wouldn't beat the 91 crush, express, looney's AA, crabs of the world but pretty good for geography they pull from

"From the geography they pull from" - how snobbish!

So basically they are a good rec team?

What did the 11u cannons win? They finished 4 in the npyll

Team Igloo and Rising Sons in U11

Nobody else has a chance

I can see Madlax taking it also. This is their all star team.

They are missing a few of the kids that played in the summer and are filling out the roster with 'B' players

Why would anyone waste the money on airfare to go to that [lacrosse]'s tournament? Complete waste of money. A handful of good teams and a ton of bad ones that get pummeled.

Tampa weather way better than Mid Atlantic weather?

Not so sure the bad ones realize they are bad.

It's just an excuse to vacation in Florida when the weather up north sucks.

Furman, High Point, UNC, Duke, etc. should be required to have all home games until the middle of March.

Yeah, it would be great to have only the 2-4 top hotbed teams there for each division. Not. The reality is only the top hotbed teams have a chance and, yes, like in U11, unless you have played a AA hotbed team before, it is hard to appreciate how much better they are.

That said, Palm Beach Storm beat Rising Sons 2020 twice last year at [lacrosse]'s in close games and they have since merged with another program and gotten better. Which is not to say Rising Sons 2021 isn't much better than last year's team (though they only beat the Breakers this Fall 11-7, who were dominated by GT and Hawks). The Charlotte team only lost to Madlax 9-8 in a U11AA championship this Summer. 757 isn't far behind Charlotte. Cannons versus all those teams might be good games.

I expect Team Igloo will be the only untouchable team in U11, but we'll see. Non-hotbed teams are at least improving. At least [lacrosse]'s actually has age rules that are enforced, so don't have to worry about, or listen to complaining about, holdbacks.

[lacrosse]'s was one of the best tournaments we attended last year. Played teams from 7 states and Canada. Some overmatched teams, but decent competition in the playoffs. Nice fields. Well run tournament. Nice weather. Kid-friendly resort. In Florida. In December. No college coaches. No pressure. Just fun for family, friends and the kids.

Then your son plays in a bunch of crappy tournaments.

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It is one of the worst tournaments in the country.

Did the tournament have 'A' and 'B' brackets last year?

Attended all the best tournaments: Young Guns, Big 4, Greene Turtle, etc.

Sometimes, lacrosse for kids should be fun. Ask your kid, rather than judging for him or judging others.

Some sad people on this site.

Sorry, but it is called the Tournament of Champions, not "Tournament of Nice B teams with good coaching"

If they tournament is going to lower their standards, they should call it something else

be realistic. you'd never get the best teams in all age brackets every year. call it the "tournament of champions from all types of tournaments that also have whole teams of parents with time, money and willingness to spend their winter break at a lax tournament" For those that go hopefully they have a great time no matter how they do.

be realistic. you'd never get the best teams in all age brackets every year. call it the "tournament of champions from all types of tournaments that also have whole teams of parents with time, money and willingness to spend their winter break at a lax tournament" For those that go hopefully they have a great time no matter how they do. [/quote]

Well said. And not like Igloo 2021 and Team 91 Crush and FCA U15 and Tenacious Turtles aren't widely regarded as the best of the age groups. For all but teams like that, it really has to be regarded as vacation with a lot of fun playing teams from all over. And, even if a non-hotbed team loses big to a AA hotbed team, you learn a lot more from that game than dominating teams in your greater region.

Well said. And not like Igloo 2021 and Team 91 Crush and FCA U15 and Tenacious Turtles aren't widely regarded as the best of the age groups. For all but teams like that, it really has to be regarded as vacation with a lot of fun playing teams from all over. And, even if a non-hotbed team loses big to a AA hotbed team, you learn a lot more from that game than dominating teams in your greater region. [/quote]

If you don't have the NPYLL champs in it, you definitely can't call it the tournament of champions.

Understood that not every team is going to be the top team in the country, time, expenses, other commitments, etc. will keep worthy champions out.
But it really does water down the product when teams like Maryland Extreme are allowed in because they won the B level of some fall tournament. They went winless the previous spring in the U13 B division of NPYLL

I guess its all about the $$

If you don't have the NPYLL champs in it, you definitely can't call it the tournament of champions.

[FCA 2018's maybe. FCA 2019's (U15) certainly not best in group.

If you don't have the NPYLL champs in it, you definitely can't call it the tournament of champions.

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Crabs don't meet age requirements, nor do Hawks. NPYLL teams will have to go through Dukes, edge, 91 to be "Champs". Sorry, but NPYLL has done it to itself with ridiculous grade based teams stacked with overage kids. Will never be National Champs because they are chumps.