Open forum about the Boy's 2025 graduating class in Philadelphia & Vicinity

So who are the best programs at this age group?

So who are the best programs at this grade?

1. Uprising 2025
2. Freedom 2025

Rest are comparable and parity is the norm thus hard to rank.

No one cares about 2025. It means nothing now since you are since you are 6 to 7 years away. Find the best Development program and forget about wins and losses.

Any word on the 2025 BL Academy team?

Tryout was good, coaching staff that was there was off the charts. No Dad's that sell insurance acting like they are up to date on coaching lacrosse. Based on the talent level there the team should be solid...

Not PP, that's what the question is about - who has the best program for developing players. Got it, you don't care unless it's a HS senior but a 6th grade parent cares.

Agree with this statement. There were a couple of dad's on the field but they were ball boys, as they should be. I think the team will be solid but not great but with the coaching staff that was there I don't see how it doesn't become great. My guess is word will get out and attract others. Somewhat skeptical about how these coaches were retained by BL but definitely off the charts in name and caliber. AM is worth the cost just himself. There is no coach in the country better than him at developing a young offensive player.

Team 302 in Delaware is terrific, just across the state line. My son has played there for several years now and loves it. Equal playing time, no depth charts, no unknown surprise players showing up, not worried about winning tournaments – even though they do win tournaments from time to time. Their goal is to make you better so that you succeed in your home league/school team. The 2 main guys have been doing this for 12 years and both played for the Wings for years, with one of them also on the Team USA indoor lacrosse team who were World Champions. Individual team coaches are all current/former Division 1, 2, or 3 college players, including one from last year’s Yale team and 1 from last year’s Merrimack team – who both won their respective Division 1 and 2 titles. The 2 main guys are both teachers who know who effectively and appropriately communicate with kids. The 2 main guys rotate amongst the different age groups at tournaments and thus coach about half your son's games with the individual team coaches. The focus at this age is development. As you get older, they then also focus on college recruitment, if that's what you want to do. I believe that last year 18 of their 23 high school kids went on to play in college.

Was that cut and paste from 302 brochure?

Some good games at Mid Atlantic spring league last weekend at 2025 level

Yes. Although the coach of Mad Dog 2025 is a lunatic and needs somebody to remind him he's coaching 10-11 year old children. . .

Is the Philly Special team the HHH squad?

Seem strong, although Freedom boys gave them a challenge

Correct, Philly Special is 2025 HHH, minus a player or two. Many have played together for a while, on Uprising and township teams. They are an extremely strong team, but not looking as good as usual in this spring league.



Also correct....10 - 0 lead and he's yelling at his very strong team to go harder. Maybe he's a good fit for them though. Parents were still cheering like it'a a championship for that 10th goal, 11th, 12th....Exactly what some families want to avoid when the pick a club.

Not even close, no parent was cheering. You might have heard, "nice job" or "great save goalie" for both teams. The coach was coaching, he was yelling at his players to stop going 1:1 and just beating their man. If I recall, they only scored 3 goals in the 2nd half.

Good luck against TriState and Ten10, the top 2 teams.

You need to look at the date of that quote. It was from 03/24 when he was freaking out on his team during a loss to TeamTEN. Cursed in front of them and outright yelled at them in huddles. I know nothing about that team--the coach looked like a younger (20-something) kid so maybe it wasn't their full-time coach. But the coach that I saw/heard that day was absolutely NOT coaching 10-11 year old kids the way he should have been.

Are you an NXT official/employee or TeamTEN coach? Not sure how you would have heard otherwize?

What does that question even mean? I'm a parent who watched the game--but I could have been ANYONE who passed by the field during the game and heard/watched him coach.

Is Brotherly Love Ares 2025 a new team? I don't recall BL having two teams at the '25 level last year.

They did not build their own 2nd team they just acquired Olde English team that didn't want to become "Mesa Red"

So it’s tryout season....which teams are imploding? Who’s gonna reload?

You mean “Mesa Castoffs”?

How is the 2025 Academy Doing in Hershey?

Heard this was a not a very good situation - everybody upset .... coaches, players and parents combined.

Heard you have no clue what you are talking about....imagine that. 1 kid left the team and not a loss at all so how bad can it be?

Best teams at this age group....

HHH & Team 11?

Anyone know what is going with Brotherly Love Academy 2025. My buddy told me that they beat both Crabs and Sweetlax in the AA Bracket in Autumn Classic in Maryland to win it all. I smell a rat, no way that the train wreck I saw at Hersehy is the same team.

HHH by far

BL added one of best players from 24 team who reclassed this year.

Amazing how this works have tryouts add kids get better instantly....

The team is good we played them at NXT. Goalie is very good. Where did they get the left handed attackman he was unstoppable never seen him before.

So this begs the question, are they getting better because of all of the training that they promote, or because they can recruit? Any BL parents have an opinion?

Reclass from the 2024 team - very good player

How many Philly clubs are sending teams to WSYL qualifier? Brotherly Love, NXT, Team10, HHH/Philly Special?

recalls

recruit and push your kid out

Or said differently, BL recruits.. (1) your kid gets better and stays on the field (2) move to another team (3) stop wasting money on travel, your kid doesn't care

as it should be...The success of the team and quality of clinics will naturally draw more kids in and make recruiting easier. Your kid isn't necessarily pushed out, he simply fails to excel at that level or commit to becoming better.

How many Philly clubs are sending teams to WSYL qualifier? Brotherly Love, NXT, Team10, HHH/Philly Special?

can probably send as many as they want or send whoever wants to cut a check. Heard alot of other regions got the joke and are bailing

BL doesn't do much development, one good team at 23 due to good group from LYA, other than that subpar

You are a stunad....go back originally it was BL is all the good Kennet kids...come to practice 3/15 and let me know if there is no development

recruited not developed

WSYL teams for the East Qualifier...

https://worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.leagueapps.com/tournaments/1220674/standings

Not one Philly team?

From what I recall, 2023 sent a team called Big 5 and it was a mix of Philly club teams (Mesa, Freedom, Team 11). Then last year Brotherly Love sent their 2024 Academy Team (this team, while all BL now, had a healthy group of former 2024 PA Roughriders which is now defunct). Both teams did well. Problem in Philly is most stand-alone teams have too many players who don’t meet the age requirement - this is especially true at 2025 where teams have holdbacks who wouldn’t be eligible to play (Freedom, Team 10, HHH, Riding Sons, etc).

Philly is following the Md blueprint. Hold back as much as possible.

Can anyone give an overview of the Mesa, Brotherly Love, Freedom, and Rising Sons teams at this age level?

Mesa- decent team but kinda falling apart since Nostrant left the state, not sure if still involved
BL- good coaches, if the ones advertised are there week in and week out
Freedom- lost some good players, but quality organization
RS- other three are much, much better

Does anybody know where Rock PA plays? I don't remember seeing them at any tournaments this summer, but they're having tryouts.

Lancaster

They're probably playing in better tournaments than we did, then. Probably not worth the time and $60 to not make the team. Thanks.

Are any PA teams competing at WYSL this Spring?

Saw the WYSL East Regional qualifier list on the Maryland board. Surprised not to see any Philly teams, especially since the national tournament is in D.C. this year and not Denver. Any insight as to why?....

2025 Cannons Gold

302 Lacrosse 2025

3d Garden State 2025 AA

Breakers 2025 Blue

Building Blocks LC U14

Jersey Express 2025

Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black

Madlax Monuments

Top Caliber

Tri-State 2025

True Annapolis 2025

True PA 2025

VLC Black Ops

Zingos 2025 Black

If its still age based that would be the answer....the teams that would do well are all too old.

One word....holdbacks. keep it moving.

Big 4 HHH set the holdback standard.

holdbacks are one thing.... but is it true that Big 4 HHH has a couple of "double holdbacks?"

How do ‘double holdbacks’ work? Do they repeat 8th grade twice? Or is that they started kindergarten later and also repeated 8th and are older?

It’s the kindergarten/8th grade daily double!

are we talking about Big 4 HH or Philly Special? Perhaps it's really Philly Special Ed?

Big 4 HHH DEFINETLY has at least one double holdback..... sad

Reclassing could become the norm for people that can send there kids to private school. the college kids all got an extra year the HS and MS kids are not

You sound like you need a Big 4 TTTissue. Stop your crying

Disclaimer: I am not a HHH parent

Parents are choosing what is best for their kid during unprecedented times. That is there choice. Maybe their kid has been rubber stamped through the last school year...maybe their kid is a late bloomer. It doesn't matter. It is their choice. You know who doesn't choose? BMck/HHH. Don't try and throw shade on a club because they draw from an area whose parents can afford to put their kids in the best spot to succeed. Another dirty little secret in the Inter-Ac is that most kids start school late (the equivalent of hold backs). Get. over. it. The cream always rises to the top.

While I agree with most of the above as it relates to a personal decision, your last statement is incorrect. If they were the cream, they would already be on top. They are not, which is why they are held back. Let's just hope it doesn't become as prevalent as it is in MD.

Sounds like a lot of people wish their kids were on the #1 team in the nation in 2025, HHH.

#1 in the country lol - by the NLF which you pay $$ into so they throw you a bone. You know who the #1 team in the country is and you’ve lost to them the last two times you played them so keep dreaming. Lacrosse magazine has you ranked 4th and US Club Lacrosse has your team ranked 8th. That seems more like reality.

It won't last long either other that 2022 not sure HHH has a competitive team the 23's and 24's are not very strong

26’s are very weak also

"National Lacrosse Federation is your national rankings lacrosse website. Based on our proprietary formula and summer club events, we provide the most precise team rankings."

Also;

NLF Original Six; Big 4 HHH

Nice try. Based on their proprietary membership payment and trying to prop one of their own up. Nice try.

Too funny, that you give any clout to the NLF rankings. It will be quite evident, once the dust settles on July 17/18th weekend on who the top team in the country is; and my gut tells me there is little chance it's Big 4HHH. Has this team even played over the last 18 months!?

Philly Special is playing in NXT spring league, not much competition though.
Team Ten may provide a challenge

Sounds like a lot of people wish their kids were on the #1 team in the nation in 2025, HHH.


Is this really legit? From what I've read., HHH, Team Ten, Brotherly Love, etc.. all have older players (thus no entries into the WSYL). Great, you're number #1 or whatever rank you are against kids that you are a year older than. How about playing against kids your own age? If you played against kids your own age, then you have reason to be proud. The top 20 teams or so generally have older kids. You saw very few of them in the WSYL regionals.

That’s in my top 5
1) I want my family to stay healthy
2) I want my kids to do great in school
3) I’d like to retire next 10 years or so
4) Hopefully one day my kids have great careers they enjoy.
5) I want my kids to play for HHH

Sounds like HHH 2025 is the team to play for if you are the best.

Congrats to BIG 4 HHH/Philly Special Crew on a great weekend. Impressive performance all around. Innovation at its best. Seriously...bringing the double hold back play to Philly. Genius. Good work guys. Keep it up.

Love to the roster of Big 0.4 (as in GPA) HHH.

got beat badly by them.

There are two different classes of athletes out there. Those that can play for HHH and all the rest.

HHH 2025 hands down best in Philly and whatnot, and shots to be tops,

Agreed. They are competing really well against the other 13 year olds.

There are two different classes of athletes out there. Those that can play for HHH and all the rest.


There are two different classes of athletes out there. Those that play kids 1 or 2 years younger than they are, and all the rest.

Thanks HHH parents! We get it, your kids are the best in the country.

Sorry your team got beat bad.

I saw the HHH team hit the Bagataway tavern for a few brews after the big win.

That is pretty funny from team ten minus ten. Maybe team one hundred

If they are the best athletes, than why need hold backs? Cream rises to the top, unless your cant compete with kids your own age and dad has to give you a few years to catch up. Without the hold backs you are mediocre at best. Not a parent of either side but watched the game. If you compare apples to apples, ten has more talent at the 14yr age.

Not really a fair argument since all the other teams also have hold backs right?

not true

I have no dog in this fight but I know 3 people on HHH...all 3 are hold backs...great players just the same. They may set the bar for most hold backs on a club team. See how they do in HS in a year. Club ball is fun but it is becoming a joke with all this malarkey.

How is that different from any Maryland or Philly club or school at 2025 or older? No different. Sure they have tryouts.

Who cares if there are holdbacks at this age? All the kids on the field are hoping to make varsity as soon as possible and guess what that means playing older kids. With Covid everyone lost a year at least so there are going to be a lot of holdbacks and not to mention look at college, kids are not leaving which pushes everything back. It is a business decision at this point a lot of kids will be doing post grad years who graduate this year and next because of the logjam. It is what it is it really is only an advantage pre-puberty. Once everyone is on same playing field age doesn't matter.

Correct, however 14yr is right in the middle of puberty. some have hit it, some haven't quite yet. Its a game changer when you play a young man vs a boy. By high school it doesn't matter, but at least at that point all of them will have had the time for puberty to run its course.

Yawn at false outrage as every 2025 team in MD,PA and NY is majority hold backs

Not true in NY. Occasionally there are a couple but not the norm like other states.

Take a look at the 2025 BBL World Series team. No hold backs and they are gigantic and have no problem with other AA teams with lots of holdbacks.

Change my mind, going the holdback route, unless for a non athletic reason, is the cowards way.

Amen

This ain’t D1 Football. There are 12 scholarships available for a 50+ man roster at a D1 school. L Most college lacrosse players receive very little financial aide. There is no money in “pro” lacrosse either. So this whole idea of holding back is totally flawed and propagated by parents with delusions of grandeur (most likely to overcompensate for their own insecurities). I’m guessing most of these holdbacks show up to practice on corvettes too.

Many of these conversations revert back to the parents: holding their kid back, thinking their kid will go pro, living vicariously through their kid for numerous reasons. Funny that this forum is for “Boys 2025” but it ALWAYS turns into the parents bashing holdbacks. Rarely is there talk about actual lacrosse at 2025 on this forum. holdbacks aren’t going away, especially with the points being made about the logjam in college. If you have been around Philly lax club ball then you know EVERY team has holdbacks. Every. Single. One. Other states do too (even you NY guys). Some teams just have better talent and this is true all the way down to 2031 when parents “held back” their kid because they weren’t ready for school at 5 years old. holdbacks happen with a reclass, post graduate, JUCO and other scenarios. It’s not a big deal. If you’re son has talent he’ll get noticed whether he’s a hold back or on age.

Full disclosure: my son is a 2025 and would love for a chance to play D1 (he’s on the right track so save your the bashing). It’s fun to watch a kid have a dream and work hard to make it a reality. That’s a life lesson right? I’m sure someone will bash this post, and that’s okay, but it won’t change the current landscape.

I agree with everything you stated. Well thought out response, which is increasingly unusual here. Respect...

It's great that your son would love a chance to play D1 and that he's on the right track. I'm sure your son hasn't kicked around the idea of repeating a grade in order to make that chance more of a reality. That idea to repeat a grade is only coming from a parent and is a pretty heavy move for a kid to deal with in middle school. What kid do you know wants to sit through 5th grade ELA or 6th grade ELA again with the kids he gave wedgies too on the playground the previous year.

Before, kids that couldn't make it were given a post grad year. Now that happens in MS along WITH a post-grad year at IMG.

Do the math people.
There are generally 48 kids on a lax team.
12 full scholarships at D1-
Split up across 4 recruiting classes (grad years).
12 kids per recruiting class. So you're looking at 3-4 full scholarships SPLIT among 12 kids.
You'd be much better off putting all that money you're spending on club, swag, and SUV decals into a 529 account.

Appreciate the response and well said. I agree the parents plant the seed. Kids, especially in middle school, want to play with their friends. I think the repeats are happening when changing from one school to another (public to prep/Catholic schools as an example). From what I can tell with “holdback” kids that we’ve met is that it helps some kids but not all to get an athletic advantage. Would love to see a study done to see if holding back matters. I’m guessing it doesn’t based on how many “holdbacks” we’ve seen. It all evens out in high school.

Holding a kid back in MS for lacrosse purposes is idiotic. If the kid has the chops but is undersized, send him off for a PG year after HS.

The thought process that holdbacks are for scholarships is wrong. You holdback to get a chance to play varsity earlier at a great school (in this area, Malvern, etc.). The goal is not a scholarship for college, but simply admission to a top school. Most of the top lacrosse schools are stellar academic institutions. And it has become incredibly difficult to get into many of those schools without some type of "in." See the entire Varsity Blues sandal.

The ones I know who held back their kids at younger ages, knew it would give their kid an extra year of development, training and playing. Extra year to develop better skills and a chance to be bigger is an advantage!. Yeah sizes catches up, but skill is being developed all
Along. Extra year of skill development at the younger age is huge

Well said...and true.

Yeah so he misses the window to get recruited....makes sense

Yeah....and tack on another $50k to your education costs.

Big 4 HHH is the oldest team in the 2025 class in the COUNTRY.... period!

Does it make all of you HHH parents happy knowing that the lion's share of your team is single or even DOUBLE holdbacks?

This reminds me of HHH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4gNFL2upZE

Not surprising you are a complaining Eagles fan after a loss. Instead of crying, get better fella.

Get better? You and your sons are jokes dude... get a life and keep playing down. Worse than the MD clubs.

Embarrasing

Not surprising you are a complaining Eagles fan after a loss. Instead of crying, get better fella.[/quote]

Get better? You and your sons are jokes dude... get a life and keep playing down. Worse than the MD clubs.

Embarrasing[/quote]

Had to look in tourney machine what crazy parents lost to HHH recently, seems like team 100 or whatnot from philly taking their drubbing pretty hard last weekend from HHH? Eagles fans and stunards.

Get better? You and your sons are jokes dude... get a life and keep playing down. Worse than the MD clubs.

Embarrasing[/quote]

Had to look in tourney machine what crazy parents lost to HHH recently, seems like team 100 or whatnot from philly taking their drubbing pretty hard last weekend from HHH? Eagles fans and stunards.[/quote]

The HHH 25 team is an aberration within the organization. They are good...have always been good. Look at other teams in that org. Not quite the same product. Some teams at age group are just better fellas. You will have Great War stories to tell your buddies watching games on Memorial Day in a few years...."played against that kid for years...he's a beast!" Celebrate seeing great lacrosse in our area (even if it isn't your team...at least your team gets to measure up against them).

Had to look in tourney machine what crazy parents lost to HHH recently, seems like team 100 or whatnot from philly taking their drubbing pretty hard last weekend from HHH? Eagles fans and stunards.[/quote]

The HHH 25 team is an aberration within the organization. They are good...have always been good. Look at other teams in that org. Not quite the same product. Some teams at age group are just better fellas. You will have Great War stories to tell your buddies watching games on Memorial Day in a few years...."played against that kid for years...he's a beast!" Celebrate seeing great lacrosse in our area (even if it isn't your team...at least your team gets to measure up against them).[/quote]

How old is the kid the NLF showed yesterday from the 2025 HHH team? Is he the double holdback?

Where are all those HHH dad’s at this weekend and they didn’t even play the top teams......

Probably taking a few of them to driver's ed.....

still best team in Philly. Team 10 keeps punching, maybe one day they will get that lucky KO punch in.

Yeah one team was in the NLF semi final and one team went defeated. lets keep it real

They should when the 25 team should all be in HS... nice job men!

Does Team Ten field high school level teams? If not, where do those players generally go when they class out of team 10?

Who is teamtean?

Team Ten kids will go to HHH, Freedom, PA RR, Bro Love, Duke's or Mesa for high school aged teams.

Why would they leave for a team that is worse than were they are? Unless you are a stunard from one of these lesser teams trying to pickoff better kids starting false rumors. Team ten did well and playing high level.

If team 10 stops at 8th grade the kids have to leave. They will try and keep the 25s together this year as that’s a good team but they have no older squads so kids might have to leave. Only HHH at the 2025 level is better, but if Team 10 can’t support a high school aged team (very different running club teams when boys are in high school), most kids have to leave for a lesser squad.

TeamTEN is continuing thru HS. They've only been adding teams underneath, building from the ground up. They're also building their own indoor and outdoor facility.

Don’t fall for the troll this is just a cheap attempt by lesser clubs to try and pickoff talent for there clubs with little talent. Happens every year at tryout season to drive doubt in parents minds.demand the current and new clubs track record when doing evaluations

Do they have someone that knows the ins/outs of recruiting and has loads of college contacts? Without that they should partner up with one of the teams that does..

.......Yes they do have a director of coaching who's well connected

That is what you need. Who is the person and where did they play on college ?

Wow. You were sold a bill of goods if you think that is the way colleges will find you.

Really?

HHH 2025 squad is a beast!

The HHH brand has regressed big time over past couple years. The ‘25 team is their only exception.

I've come to the realization that any team who is the top 20-30 nationally will have some holdbacks. HHH is certainly no different. My son's team has played the 2025 squad and it was pretty evident as soon as the game started that they had some older kids. Nice kids and families though. My son's team is all on age kids. Every top 20-30 team that my son has played has older kids. There are plenty of older kids on non top 20-30 teams as well though. I just don't get it. It's not that important to win at lacrosse.

Pennsylvania, MA, CT and NH are all boarding school states which is why these teams have all the big kids. They will scholarship a reclass in hopes it puts them up top

Yes...there are many of them. I can confirm that. The funny thing is they would be excellent players if they had stayed at 2024 age level. I've never understood the "re-class" route. Spare me the kids weren't mature enough at a certain age speech. I know many of the parents and they purposely held their kids back for sports reasons.

You sound jealous.

Please confirm then.

Agreed. When in doubt blame it on the "reclass kids".

Reclassing because all the big schools are backed up on scholarships. ACC and BIG10 paying prep school bills to get kids to wait another year for them to have room. Lawrenceville and Loomis Chaffee got a few LI kids.

HHHH coach is a ward Melville guy. His kid was driving 2 years ago

You sound more jealous.

My kid had a late birthday for his grade (February) so I did not enroll him into kindergarten. I had him repeat 6th grade when I sent him to a private school. Technically, I reclassed him and I know many parents do not like that but he is dominating the other kids in his 2025 class. People get jealous of my sons ability and they need to live their own lives and decide what is best for their child.

I assume this is a joke/troll by calling Feb a late birthday, but nice try!

Why would it be a joke? He is explaining his situation on why his kid is older for his grade and his situation.

Younger kids parents had better take notice! That scenario is exactly what “lacrosse families” do to get an advantageous situation for their kids. It works! Look at D1 rosters. Almost all holdbacks!! You kind of have to play “their” game now if your kid wants to play D1.

I held my kid back. If you are truly committed to the sport, you need to do the things to get you to the next level. It's the same thing as hitting the wall, shooting daily, and lifting weights. Parents who don't hold their kid back have nothing to complain about, they all have that option and need to decide what they want for their kid. My kid will probably go D1 and we made the sacrifice.

My kid is not worried about a small lax scholarship. He is big for his age and will focus on football and not sharing a scholarship with 8 other guys.

Great then hopefully u can find a football forum to brag about your son’s “football scholarship”.

My kid is big for his grade. He is average for his age but holding him back has paid off.

Anyone with older kid have a ranking of the best showcases to attend?

D1 at Binghamton or VMI…

It doesn't matter where he ends up. My son will have great memories of crushing other 8th graders and dominating on the club level while parents like you whined on the sideline. I had parents who only held their son back one grade complain to me but they are behind the curve and don't understand how to play the game.

1. Maverik Showtime (invite only, most coaches)
2. Juniors Open (almost as good if not better than Showtime - giving deference to Showtime because it is tried and true)
3. Mainstage - close behind. Just as many coaches but a lot of the top players dropped out this year because it is in July.
4. One percent - NLF heavy but they give you a write up and there were many coaches.
5. NXT showcases - a little watered down in talent but lots of coaches and well run.
6. If your son is high academic, I would suggest he do a Lacrosse Masters camp or the NXT high academic showcase.

LOL...we all know that one kid who dominated 8th grade - never to be heard from again!

How was Best in Class for the 2024's in terms of coaches?

Agree with most the above. Really depends on skill level too. For the most part #1-3 above are for higher end players and have a very selective application process (not open to the general public, you need to be invited to apply, and also requires a coach referral). Not everyone gets into these three events. I would add Best In Class between Mainstage and 1%. 1% are held several times/ year at different locations. Whatever showcase you decide to attend, make sure it's not during a blackout period for college recruiting. Sounds like common sense but it happens.

I stand corrected. Forgot about Best in class. Probably the most drills/instruction of them all. Another thing I wish I did for my sons was get them to more prospect days at schools you know they are interested in. It is a great way to meet the staff, see the campus and play in front of them.

I am going to create a "Best in Class" show case for holdbacks.

Cool - lots of D1, top 20 talent to watch!

Could you imagine that sideline of parents and the ball hogging on the field?

Usually the re-class parents are sitting smugly in their seats watching their son play with high IQ and balling out.

My son doesn't care about those parents when he is the coolest kid in 8th grade pulling up in his Camaro blasting Billy Squire.

funny!

My son is a 2025 but he could have been a 2024 if we didn't re-class him. Can college coaches contact him now since he is older?

No, it’s not age based, it’s grade. Your son gets an extra year to develop and promote. Exactly why many re-class.

This is exactly why I held back my son 2 years (he is a year and a half older). He is way more developed than the other kids and the coaches think he is the same age. He is destroying the competition in 8th grade.

Congratulations! Your 15 years old is playing against and destroying 13 year Olds. 😂🤣😂

This question has to be a joke.

You sound jealous.

It’s more annoyed! Annoyed that this sport allows all this reclass nonsense in the youth years! It’s ruining the sport. Also making it even more elitist! Pathetic.

Soccer on the club level did it right. If you are born in 2007.....you play with all kids born in 2007. Keep it simple and fair. Not sure why anyone is against that.

Just an idea, but is there anyway "re-class" players could wear a bright red "R" on their jerseys during games?

Not sure!!??? Maybe the people making the rules have re-class kids themselves? It’s not good for the sport!

You have the opportunity to hold your kid back. I held my son back 2 years and it is paying off.

"His kid plays with a blue collar mentality"

This is like bragging that your eighth grader is acing the sixth grade.

Is it fair though, the kids born in the first part of the year (Jan) have an advantage over the kids born in the back half of the year (Dec.)
Im sure as soon as the rules changed you would be complaining that your kid was playing against a Januarier,.... the new hold backs. Maybe your kid should only play kids born the same day as her.

Nice try! Rationalize away.., you know it’s wrong what is going g in! We are talking 2 years in some cases. Pathetic

The only thing that is pathetic is my "re-class" son dominated the 8th grade competition and my prediction is he makes varsity his freshman year. He knows a lot of the juniors since he went to grade school with them.

Having a child one year older than everyone (sometimes closer to two) else is not a physical advantage? How many studies have clearly shown this is a HUGE advantage. The book Freakononimics actually put the data points together that show what a huge advantage this is for the older child. Even a few months makes a difference,

As a non holdback parents, I'll take my kid being the youngest in a tourney as long as its not more than a year. The issue we have is we have kids 15, 18, 22 months older than the youngest kid.

My kid was a holdback and they forced him to play up in a REC league. He was in 6th grade but had to play with 8th graders because he was should actually be in 7th grade (7th and 8th grade REC team). This was unfair.

Now you know that the parents of on age kids feel like playing against your little holdback.

Those other parents have a choice if they want to play with my son. I held him back so he would be the biggest. This was a sacrifice we made. How can they do this to us? I am thinking about legal action at this point.

Just play your age in youth lax. End of discussion.

That’s funny! Should the on age kids parents sue because league allows older kids to play down! That’s even worse.

I know you are kidding about on age parents suing leagues/clubs but would there be some validity? Think about it, a club/league knowingly put an older (potentially older, more mature physically) player in a contact sport that could injure a younger player by virtue of his physical maturity. Wrestlers go by weight and so does many youth football teams. This is done to protect the child. Lacrosse is a contact sport and they are blatantly scoffing at this clear and present danger.

Posts like this make it impossible for me to defend the sport of lacrosse to my friends who always say it’s a sport for “wussies”. Every football league my son has played in has been 9-10, 11-12etc… Are you trying to say lacrosse has more of an opportunity for physical injury than football. Give me a break

Well said. Thank you for the sanity check.

This forum is for 2025 so when your son whose a sophomore tries out for his high school lacrosse team this year do you tell your Varsity coach that your son competing against seniors means your Varsity coach is “scoffing at this clear & present danger”?

You sign up your child with the expectation that he will be playing a very specific age group. How would you feel if a child was 14 years old in the 11-12 age group? You don't see why that would give him an advantage? I think most people are in favor of kids playing a defined age group. It has nothing to do with being a "wussie", it is about children playing the sport safely.

As the previous post stated this forum is for 2025 age group. So do you tell your son whose a sophomore in High School that he cannot compete at the Varsity level because its not safe?

Even high school has freshman, JV , and Varsity teams that dictate skill level. I think everyone agreed that it should be aged based through 8th grade....with the option for your son to play up if he was talented enough. Every study has shown the advantage an older child has between 5th and 8th grade as boys mature differently. Doesn't it make more sense for the best players to "play up" instead of "playing down"?

YES! Well said. Have your son play up and not down. Rules NEED to be changed.

Wait a minute, you guys changed the argument. Of course there’s an advantage if a kid is a year older. But that guy was talking about threatening legal action because of a “clear and present danger” from a physical standpoint which is a joke. This is a 25 forum. We’re talking high school with an age range of maybe 4 years. At this point it’s time to grow up and put your big boy pants on

Yes, but high school makes it clear that you will be playing with kids between the ages of 14-18 and typically offers alternatives skill levels of play (freshman, JV, Varsity). Club lacrosse rules are open ended and there can be a huge disparity in age with the assumption that you are playing with boys your same age. The "attractive nuisance" doctrine could be broadly applied in this case. I'm not sure the judge will appreciate your "put on your big boy pants" argument. Kids who are born on the same day and year can have up to 2 years difference in physical maturity when it comes to puberty. Now add to the fact you are putting your kid in that group and he is 18 months older than that child. Your kid can physically be 3.5 years physically more mature than the other kids. The only people fighting the rule change are the "holdback" parents.

Again, this is a 2025 forum. You oughta bounce over the 2032 forum.

So your "clear & present danger" lawsuit only applies in club lacrosse for high school age players but not their actual High School lacrosse team. Guess it also doesn't apply to the 18 yo college freshman playing against 24 yo seniors (redshirt + COVID year). Gotcha.

Not sure why you are unable grasp the safety issue, but the concern is players in the 11-15 year old range and the physical disparity that can exist at those ages. I am sorry your kid cannot succeed with players at his own age, but this is about the safety of the players and quite frankly.....a level playing field.

Why are you against your son playing with kids his own age?

It's time to teach these boys that life isn't always fair. Are they going to complain when they are in the working world and someone has more experience? My son is better than other kids in his grade, but he gets made fun of because he will be turning 16 midway through his 8th grade year. He is making sacrifices to be the best in his grade, now you want to change that???!!!!! That's not fair.

Sorry to ruin your narrative but my son is age appropriate and not a reclass who competed against players 2-3 years older last spring as a freshman.

Congratulations on your son doing what every other high school player is doing, but you clearly have poor reading comprehension. We were referring to holdbacks in club lacrosse between the ages of 11-15.

You may not like that I held my son back 1.5 years, but it is going to pay off because of the covid holdback year that is creating a glut for college lacrosse scholarships.

Poor kid . Kids get held back for learning disabilities, it shouldn’t be because there dad wants them to get a 7k scholarship to college .

You sound jealous. My son was third string midfield on varsity while your son was playing JV!!!

It’s not the 7K scholarship. It’s the college doors that get opened because of lacrosse. Schools kids would not get into otherwise. You think half those kids going to the Harvard, Duke, Yale, Princeton type schools would get in without lacrosse?

Exactly. These calendar cowards don't get that coaches don't care if you are two years older than your grade......they want wins on the field.

The only cowards in this holdback environment are the ones that hold their kids back so their kids can intentionally play against younger, less physically mature kids so that their kid looks better. Instead of relying on your work ethic and genetic gifts, you need to rely on playing against younger, less physically mature competition. If your kid is so good, keep him on age or have him play up. Call it what it is instead of deflecting. You’re cowards scared of the reality that your kid isn’t that good. Get over yourself

The holdbacks scenario is rewarded by opportunity in college recruitment. Check out D1 commits ages.

It’s hard to blame the parents for doing it, if others are taking advantage of the clear advantage. It’s not illegal and clearly gives kids major advantages! US lacrosse is at fault for the whole problem. Time to address it going forward.

In the meantime, hard to blame the parents. They want what other kids are getting for advantages. Is it right, no! However, if you don’t do it, it’s putting your kid at a disadvantage as far as playing lacrosse and getting opportunity to get in to some of the better schools. Hard to not do it.

Said the parent in this group.."I held my son back 2 years and he's destroying the other 6th graders" What a joke

"Calendar Cowards" LOL. Awesome. 100% true. Completely ruining club lacrosse and not a care in the world as long as their kid gets recruited.

Yes! However, it’s totally the sports fault! They needed to change to age base (like soCcer) years ago! Now, it’s getting out of hand at the youth level and getting dangerous. Also, it’s just not fair.

So what if my kid is almost two years older than your kid, the rules allow me (and you) to do this. My kid will be recruited to a better school and thrive in a sport he loves. The alternative is making you happy, guess what I am going to do you calendar coward!!

Exactjy! The rules do allow you to game the system right now and take advantage, if you can afford to. The Rules need to change and stop the obvious advantage in the youth years, that favors the elite parents! That’s why it is still very much an elitist sport! If You can afford to buy your kid a few extra years for development, obviously it gives your kid a huge advantage.

It’s also very dangerous ti have 13 year olds playing 10 year olds! There’s that too!

Here we go again. Talking about 10 yo lacrosse in the 2025 discussion.

^^^^^^^^^holds his kid back^^^^^^^^

Who is your “2025” voting for? Oz or Fetterman

Anyone know what squad Malvern is sending down to Maryland this weekend to face Gonzaga and Calvert Hall? Is this an actual varsity event? Could be some great matchups if its all the top players from those 3 schools facing off.

In hockey, the players are much older in college, yet hockey uses birth year at the youth level. So these two concepts can mix very well. In hockey, if a kid goes to school "on age" (meaning they graduate HS in the same year that they turn 18 - but this will vary state to state), and is a college hockey prospect, it is often true that they are not yet ready to take a spot on a college team, so they are told to go to a prep school, or play juniors. For kids that are holdbacks - usually because they are at prep high schools or were just held back when they were younger, then they are more likely to go straight to the college team after HS.

The bottom line is that there are a ton of holdbacks in hockey, and the colleges mostly want the 19-20 yo freshmen, but so what - - because youth hockey is always played on age. In other words, it is exactly the same in college hockey, yet they seem to manage just fine with a youth system based on age.

This is what lacrosse people don't seem to understand when the two sides of the holdback argument yell at each other. You can still have age based youth play along with a system/culture filled with holdbacks and a college system that wants the older players for the competitive advantage they bring. I have never been anti-holdback. I have never cared if a kid is a 16 yo HS freshman, or a 20 yo college freshman. It doesn't affect my kid. I only care that in youth sports, they all play on age.

Also, the argument that says "hey in HS your kid will play against older kids so it is fine for it to never be aged based no matter what age or level they are at" is, and always has been, wrong. At HS the kid and his family CHOOSE to play varsity as a freshman (if offered by the coach). If they believe its not appropriate for their talented, but young, kid to play varsity, then the kid won't. I have seen it both ways. If the varsity level is very competitive, and the kid, while excellent, is small and not very physically mature, the family will say no, or sometimes, the coach just won't offer it. But some freshman are big and very mature, and sometimes the varsity level is not that competitive, and the kid will play. The bottom line is a choice can be made - to play JV or Freshmen team. Compare this to travel lacrosse, where the younger, smaller kid has no choice but to play against the older, bigger kid. The younger kid can't play down because he can't play below his grade.

Exactly. Very well said. No one cares about holdbacks in HS. It's only a problem in elementary and MS.

21 year old seniors to the freshman clocking in at 18, normal

My son will turn 20 years old spring of his senior year. What is the max age he can be and still qualify for PIAA sports?

^^^^^^^^^^^^SNOWFLAKE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Are you talking about the Future Stars High School Showcase in Maryland this Sunday? Just looked it up on Tourney App and Malvern is the only local team playing. Haverford & Malvern both played it in last year. Looks like some quality teams from Baltimore / DC area and Hill Academy from Canada. I think this event is for Sophomores & Freshman only so not Varsity.

MIAA these ages wouldn't fly and we still blow PA out.

Those ages are exaggerations…. just like the MIAA blowing out PA.

My son is high school age and his club team has a subscription to IMCLA Recruits. My son is pretty bright and we input his GPA into the system. We received a note that UPenn looked at his profile. The next day, we receive an e-mail solicitation to attend the Penn Quaker indoor training session on 12/4th and 5th for the low low price of $550. I assume that the inquiry was to generate interest to come to the training session. Curious to see if this happened to anyone else, either this year or in years past.

It's called a money grab and yes.....I have experience with schools inviting us to training days. My son is not bright and he received that same invite from PENN. I think IMCLA is a pretty good platform for lacrosse recruiting.

My son is a '26. He'll be 13 for another month. There are other freshman in his class that are turning 16 now. Not an exaggeration.

+1

I saw plenty of Freshman turn 16 in high school lacrosse and not just summer birthdays. The Inter Ac is chock full of them. Not so concerned on the highschool level but playing club against kids two years older is ridiculous.

So, this post is just pot stirring. Keeping in mind that this is the Pennsylvania forum, if your son is turning 14 in a month, he'll graduate at the age of 17, which is young. In Pennsylvania, your son is an on-age 2027. PA freshmen, for the most part, will all be 15 by the end of the school year. As I said, you're either pot-stirring or you put your son into school early. Either way, your son is the exception in the class of 2026.

Think PP was trying to say the school has 17 year old freshmen and seniors that are 21. If reading between the lines also saying they are average, lose to MIAA always.

Anyone follow?

17 yo Freshman & 21 yo seniors are complete exaggerations. Please create a new forum “Holdbacks” specifically for anyone who wants to complain about holdbacks in youth lacrosse. In the meantime there were some very interesting posts over past couple days relevant to sophomores in high school (2025). Thank you in advance.

Agreed money grab. Be aware of generic invites to Prospect Days too. Also money grabs.

There's some quality talent in the 2025 age group in Philly area. Schools like EA, Haverford, Malvern, ANC all have players who got time on their Varsity teams last year as freshman. Plus all the other players who will make an impact this upcoming year. Will be fun to watch.

Sorry daddy nobody cares about mediocre Jv games.

Another reason to hold back your kid....if he is not playing varsity, no one is watching.

[quote=Anonymous]Sorry daddy nobody cares about mediocre Jv games.[/quote

Who said anything about JV?

Only MD JV players.

Not true, my nephew played varsity at PVI in northern VA as a freshman and was playing there. I know a bunch of his soph teammates will be varsity starters or contributors this spring. Maybe some school brought JV kids, but definitely not all.

I had to laugh at a couple of Dads who were talking about their sons. One said...."my son was born in April 2007 so he is basically a 2026". How does that even work?

He means that a lot kids of born in April 2007 are holding back and are now 2026 grads. April 2007 kids should be 2025 grads. Unfortunately lacrosse rewards holdbacks and this is why this is still an elitist sport dominated by rich suburban white kids. Not a lot of other folks can afford to hold back their kid after 8th grade and transfer to a private school or do PG year after HS. Such a shame.

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WHO CARES! How are his grades? What does he want to major in? He aint makin a living playing Lax and the days of BBQ bragging will soon be over

LOL...BBQ bragging.

I do find it interesting that the bar has been shifted to hold backs, as opposed to talent level. My kid my be 16 months older than your kid but that all ends when he steps on the field. Deal with it.

Exactly. My son is not a holdback and I couldn’t agree more.

You May agree with it, but check out the recruiting going on by the top D1 Lacrosse schools! Also, who’s actually seeing the field. Holdbacks are unfortunately being rewarded. It’s very unfortunate that we are “dealing with it”!

My son who is 15 played against a kid who had a family and a mortgage. The madness needs to stop.

Unless your son plays Goalie or FO where there is only 1 from that position on the field, then your son not seeing the field isn’t the holdbacks fault.

Important upcoming season for all 25's.

Any predictions?

Team TEN will have a wildly successful fall recruiting season. 50% plus committed D1 in the fall.

True. It is what it is. People decide their kid is average against their age group. They elect to put them up against younger and less developed players. This works great for the appearance of talent for the prime recruiting years in early high school. Tends to work its way out by the end of high school, but the recruiting is done by then.

I’ve been watching a lot of college lax and it seems to work there too. Makes me nervous for my own son.

2 Philly kids in the top 10 of the NLF 2025 rankings that just came out. Both are a year older for their grade.

Reclass wins again

Both very talented,good for them.

takeaway is odds are better playing for nlf team. increased visibility dont hurt.

I would guess 70% of that list is a reclass.

The holdbacks are being held back because they are not standing out against kids their age. It has gotten to the point that it is becoming the norm not the exception My kid is one of the older kids in his grade, but one of the younger kids on his lacrosse team. He was not "held back" for sports, he was just started at a time that would make him not make him atypically young for the class. This was an academic decision made before we even knew if he would like sports. It is what it is, but no-one should pretend their hold back is done for anything other than to cover for deficiencies in their child's play against kids their own age. Actually, we may all have to do it so our kids can play with their peers. Then you will need the double holdback to stand out.

New top 5 ranks Primetime, 91 Fire, 91 Shock, LAXA Black, HHH. Those teams can play and lot going D1

Is this the NLF rankings? As of June 5, 2023 the rankings by US Club Lacrosse for the top 5 are:

1- Team 91 Fire 91 Fire
2- Prime Time
3- Team Ten
4- DC Express
5- LI CoachC

91 Shock is ranked - 7
Laxachusetts Black - NLF member - 8
HHH - NLF Member - NLF member - is ranked 35 -

While the other teams could be argued to be in the top five, that is not the case with HHH. While they are a great club, they are not in the top five tier.

Is this the NLF rankings? As of June 5, 2023 the rankings by US Club Lacrosse for the top 5 are:

1- Team 91 Fire 91 Fire
2- Prime Time
3- Team Ten
4- DC Express
5- LI CoachC

91 Shock is ranked - 7
Laxachusetts Black - NLF member - 8
HHH - NLF Member - NLF member - is ranked 35 -

While the other teams could be argued to be in the top five, that is not the case with HHH. While they are a great club, they are not in the top five tier.

Is this the NLF rankings? As of June 5, 2023 the rankings by US Club Lacrosse for the top 5 are:

1- Team 91 Fire 91 Fire
2- Prime Time
3- Team Ten
4- DC Express
5- LI CoachC

91 Shock is ranked - 7
Laxachusetts Black - NLF member - 8
HHH - NLF Member - NLF member - is ranked 35 -

While the other teams could be argued to be in the top five, that is not the case with HHH. While they are a great club, they are not in the top five tier.

Is this the NLF rankings? As of June 5, 2023 the rankings by US Club Lacrosse for the top 5 are:

1- Team 91 Fire 91 Fire
2- Prime Time
3- Team Ten
4- DC Express
5- LI CoachC

91 Shock is ranked - 7
Laxachusetts Black - NLF member - 8
HHH - NLF Member - NLF member - is ranked 35 -

While the other teams could be argued to be in the top five, that is not the case with HHH. While they are a great club, they are not in the top five tier.

The fact you hit the repeater four times shows what a rookie you are. Everyone watching the NLF this weekend and last summer knows the ranks are Primetime, Team 91 Fire, 91 Shock, LAXA Black, HHH. LAXA and HHH were in the NLF Championship this weekend and was great game in OT. Did HHH cut you?

Predictions for September 1 commits, PT (15), 91 (15), Shock (8), LAXA (10), HHH (9), LIE (5), Sweet (8) DCE (7)

According to NLF top ten ranks its HHH, 91 MD, Madlax, Express, Hawks, Laxachusetts Black, 91 LI, Express North, Prime Time, Eclipse

Are you saying you think HHH deserves to be in the Top 5? I believe Laxachusetts was the highest ranked team at last weeks tournament. Fog City was the next highest at 13. Why is NLF keeping top tier teams out of their tournaments? Other teams at the tournament include ETC 34's which are ranked 115 and Team 91 United which is ranked 83. HHH is very decent team. They have nothing to be ashamed of. They have some great players and good coaching. There just is no argument for them being in the Top 10. US Club Lax has it about right at 35.

Yes, they are ranked number one by NLF. They came in a very close second and a goal away from winning the NLF yesterday. So the ranking looks pretty darn accurate. All top colleges were there evaluating the great teams all weekend. Super impressive. Everyone knows NLF tournaments are the best and all the best clubs are there, why are you so hysterical?

Agree.Excellent weekend of high talent lacrosse.

Seems like you are the one that is hysterical. The fact that NLF over ranks NLF member teams should not surprise anyone. I believe the teams at last weeks tournament were ranked by US Club Lax as follows:

Laxachuesetts Black - 8
Fog City - 13 Seem like some of their players may not have come in from San Francisco
LI Express Schreiber - 27
Mad Lax Cap 2024 - 29
HHH - 35
Hardcor - 93
ETC 34 - 115
Team91 LI United - 219

While there are some really good teams in the preceding list. I think "all the best clubs" being there is out of touch with reality.

They were unable to get most of their better affiliated teams to come. Prime Time (2), LI Express CoachC (5), Team 91 LI Shock (7), Sweetlax FL (10), Leading Edge (12), Mad Lax Cap 2025 (14), West Coast Starz (18), and Sweetlax Upstate (25) all elected not to participate.

It seems like NLF tournaments are losing steam. They are ducking better competition to protect their weaker teams.

spin it however you like. There were big time college scouts there looking at the kids. Maybe I'm mistaken, but isn't that ultimately the point?

July NLF at Lehigh will be the real deal, just wait for that before making judgements.

OK, will bite, what better competition was missing

Best tournament of the year as the National Champ is crowned.Last year was Prime Time. So many scouts they fill the stadium.

Ironic the “NLF isn’t that good” discussion comes out right around the same time a local club team is not allowed to participate in NLF events.

Which team is not allowed to participate? Why are they not allowed to participate?

All but two of the U.S. Club Lax top 25.

NLF is a great tournament. However, I feel it’s complete chicken bleep that they are allowed to block a non-NLF club team from their geographic area. I know…it’s a business blah blah blah but name me one other sport that does this?

Ah ha we exposed the truth. The anti-NLF / HHH 2025 rhetoric is because someone is upset they got bumped from NLF events.

The NLF events have the exposure, however you'll be playing in the crappiest venues ( dusty cow pastures or pot hole ridden uneven grass plots)
I'm assuming these NLF teams are tired of traveling hours away to play against the same old teams every summer also.

Your kid is the next Paul Rabil of course. But if the next Pauly is playing in the dark gym it is going to be tough to get his talents to the next level before his pro career. So do us all a favor and get him to the cow track otherwise you are punishing us and the rest of the world. Do us a favor bud.

Is it only one club that is being blackballed or multiple? Does anyone know which teams are being excluded and why?

I’d be willing to bet it’s a Team Ten dad who believes that their USCL ranking of 3 entitles them to enter or be invited to all the tournaments.

Nobody cares about the summer kickoff. They care about the National Championship.


It has nothing to do with being “scared” to play team ten. Literally it’s only to influence kids/parents to play on an NLF team.

Well said. And if you are so consumed with your team's "ranking" as a rising junior in high school then your priorities are way out of balance. That argument is for middle schoolers. HINT: College coaches do not care about team rankings.

HAHAHAHA

This board awfully quiet now that HHH 2025 continues steamrolling. Might explain the players trying to transfer over from the sinking ship.

The Big Four tournament is an embarrassment; I remember when there was good competition, clubs that actually had talent. Mitchell Pehlke was recruited there…
The teams HHH beat are brutally non-competitive, but hey, congrats!

Second that…Where were the rest of the NLF clubs (and more importantly the scouts?). Not a good look for a once dominant club (still great at ‘25… too bad those kids has to waste their weekend playing True [insert random locale].

The only thing sinking is the level of competition in that tourney, but if it makes you feel better.....

Yes, I said HHH '25 is great team. Top in the area, loaded with talent. Just that the tourney was [Censored] and waste of their time - These kids have been playing in top level tourney's for years and years now. Time for this specific tourney to shut down. Some clubs are good at running events and others aren't. Stick with what is working and cut out what isn't. That is all i'm saying. This is a discussion board, right?

True colors of the jealous daddy program are shining.Fish rots from the head down.Hard to blame huge losses to marginal teams on other programs.

what team are you talking about?

300+ college coaches at NLF last weekend. You were saying?????

That original quoted comment is out of context and was about the HHH hosted tourney (Champions League) being a terrible tourney. NLF is obviously a great tourney. No argument from me on how superior of a recruiting tournament NLf is.

HHH 2025 top PA ranked team in USA by Lacrosse Magazine for all PA teams at all ages. Way to end strong this season again.

Wanted to circle back here and post facts and results.Sorry if this hurts your feelings. HHH delivered for us and the entire 2025 team. More recruits to be announced soon. The all talk no action team not from te fell short after promising much.Them the facts.

You kept that gripe bottled up.

Team10 isn’t comparable to HHH in anyway.Look at the different outcomes. Just watched them get tanked by 3d Garden State. Reason why HHH didn’t respond to the nonsense last season. One team is successful at NLF and the other losses to Garden State at the jacko lantern. Same story with commits

Fall lacrosse? come on kids that play other sports don't even play anyone that knows youth lacrosse knows that. Kids are not practicing, etc. Team Ten and Triple HHH have a lot of good kids just look at the high school teams they play for and how much time they get. They are both very good teams when in season.

Argument change not gonna fly. And nothing but losses for Team ten yesterday from 2032 to 2028 teams.Now that Brotherly Love is a real competitor going to be tough to cover up losses.Development at BL,Mesa,HHH, Freedom real and only getting better.

Heard Daddyball was in full bloom at Jack-o-Lantern.

do tell

Panic at Team10 with winless 2025 fall.

What 2025 team cares about wins and losses? Those kids care about recruitement. How many are signed?

do tell

Better college results and contacts at HHH, Freedom, Brotherly, Mesa. Uncommitted results after the first few weeks measures value of program. Flash in the pan here shows.Dukes also on rise.

25s are decent. The other teams were not developed, but “assembled”. Better development and contacts happens at the other clubs

I would be surprised if there is any panic at Team TEN. Agree that the 2025's are not concerned with Fall Ball. Recruiting is the key and HHH has out delivered all the other teams. They have to be commended. That staff has the connections and are delivering the goods. As far as I can tell Team TEN is in second, but solidly behind. Whoever wrote the proceeding post, should ask themselves why they worry so much about Team Ten. Team TEN is going out and playing legit tournaments, where they went 3-6. Not good, but not winless either. As far as I can tell, HHH seems to be playing low level tournaments. Honestly, I am not sure how much they're playing. I only see one tournament posted on US Club Lax.

As to the prior quote about success at NLF, really? The 2025's went 2-4. The wins were against team ranked 42 and 68. Not big deal, but that is a low bar for what is considered successful. HHH was part of keeping talented non-NLF teams out of the NLF. I think that is kind of pathetic.

Again, to try and avoid the hysteria - HHH is without question the most successful club in terms of what matters and getting their players recruited. That is 100% on the management and they did awesome for the 2025s. Team TEN is going to need to step it up on the recruiting side.

12 - D1 commits for Team10 '25's.

It will be fun to see how HHH 2025 do this weekend at NLF Fall. They will be up against some great teams.

I think a big thing is that HHH 25s have had the same coach since middle school. Not all HHH teams can say the same thing. Team Ten 25s same coach. Consistency helps, connections helps, skill helps, right now HHH got 15 of their kids committed to Team Tens 12. Not a huge gap there. With so many teams in the East Part of PA there is alot of team hopping. So I wouldn't say any team is better at development. At this point a team is not doing it...2031s are already going to trainers and 1 on 1 coaching. So development is no longer regulated to a club coach. The biggest thing is to have a coach who will advocate for you and have a kid who is motivated enough to send emails to college coaches consistently and do school work and practice a little every day.

agreed. Kids these days aren't becoming standouts because of the 1-a-week practice schedule at most clubs in the fall and summer. The club coach is more about the connections than the development. The kids better be doing spending10x amount of time outside of club practice if they want to go high level D1. Wow, I'm not used to seeing solid, logical posts like this. Kudos to the previous guy.

Thanks. I did not realize it was that close. I follow both teams and thought HHH was solidly ahead. Both teams have gotten their kids into some top flight programs.

Good try joker.HHH sending 20 kids to platinum programs, the other sending kids to dog tracks.Good try tho. If your kid has talent spend the money on a program with proven results. Year after year Mesa, Dukes, HHH, Freedom, Fusion deliver. Buyer beware on rest and avoid the daddys.

Of the current commits, HHH 2025 head coach had very little to do with their recruiting process / commitments.

Fall ball is a joke. Lot of kids do not even play all the tournaments and there is no bracket so who cares. Teams play kids evenly, etc. It is not like summer. Plus multi sport kids do not make the tournaments. It is funny that people do not realize that. If a couple key kids are missing it is a totally different team.

As far as commits Ten and HHH both did great and there will be more D1 commits coming from both programs.

Totally agree. Way too many players not available in the fall to try to gauge anything. Team 10 had to swing 2026's up with the 25's last weekend at NAL. And this upcoming weekend there are two huge High School Tournaments - NHSLS in Columbia MD & NXT High School Challenge in Aston. Haverford, LaSalle, Malvern, EA, Marple, Radnor, SJP, Springfield, Hill School, etc etc all playing. HHH results at the NLF on Sunday will be totally irrelevant, just like Team 10 last weekend at NAL.

NXT is on Saturday, NLF is on Sunday. Should be a great weekend of competition with very few conflicts.

Very few conflicts??? NHSLS in Maryland on Sunday had multiple PA teams. LaSalle played in another event in Maryland / DC area.

Obviously people posting about no conflicts do not understand multi sport athletes. If you play another high school sport you are usually not allowed to play club lacrosse in season nor do the kids want to. I can tell nobody understands multi-sport athletes on this board.

Any chance we can get a Philly area recruiting update for 2025's? Clubs, High Schools, and College Commitment