As tryouts approach it would be interesting to see who has what to say about tryouts they've attended etc.

My daughter is going to 3-4 of them in the 2020 group... Will be interesting to see turnouts as it seems lots of teams had bad to mixed results in 2020 with regard to play along with actually fielding real teams.

3-4 tryouts?..that's a bunch!...
what we have found is that if your daughter is not an A player on an A team, then pretty much everything else (B teams) are an afterthought...I would guess that every program is the same...there may be an exception as far as players are concerned, but really how many coaches are scouting a meaningless B level game at a crappy tournament?

What club tryouts will your daughter be attending and why are you leaving your previous club? This 2020 age group is a mess should be very interesting indeed. I haven't decided what programs I'm having my daughter tryout for. They all seem to operate the same here on LI. Politics, F&F, Lack of quality coaching etc etc.

My only recruiting experience is from the 2016 age group but if you look back at the big 3 commit lists from that age you'll see plenty of girls who played on B teams that found very nice homes at some really nice schools. B team players don't commit first.. but they commit.

this is a great post for all to see.. true in boys as well

The last sentence in this post should be sent to Webster's Dictionary....they could use it as an example under the definition of short sighted

Very true, Daughter played with a club's 2016 B team and every girl, that wants to, will be playing in college.

OP here.... if you are relying on this crap for recruiting and moreover to pay for college you are delusional unless your kid is in the top 5 percent of players.

Your argument re b teams all the same is like saying if you are not driving a Ferrari all other cars are just the same.

Lastly, perhaps, just perhaps my kid likes playing the game yet doesn't rely on it for a means to an odds-against end. That doesn't mean she doesn't want to get to the best competition she can muster, it just means I am not giving her, the refs, coaches, and other players a brow beating 4 Sunday afternoons in summer

So, who's going to which tryouts? We are going to a couple- liberty and probably elevate.

My daughter also. I would love some feed back on these teams. I really want her in a solid program where the coaches are concerned with the development of the player. Some constructive advice would be greatly appreciated. We are in Nassau.

Liberty has stepped it up in the past year or two and are offering year play. DG is top notch and we are very happy with Liberty.

Beach Bums?.....any opinions?...where they located out of?...

First I've seen anybody mention BB's. Was hoping we could keep it a secret.

Liberty and Legacy here. Heard good things from players in both programs regarding coaching and playing year round at our daughters year (2021), and would like to be part of a competitive team (that's not called YJ).

They practice way west and way east respectively, right?

LI Wave, intimate family style teams with terrific recruiting guidance

Great day for tryouts! If only it was a few degrees warmer and just a touch more humid.

Who has tryouts today? I thought late August was the earliest for the girls normally.

Team Nty1 started today.

I have heard good things about wave, but they don't hold tryouts.

Wave only fills spots if girls leave. They usually commit over half their team every year to mid level D1's like Fairfield, marist, Quinnipiac, Winthrop, sacred heart and then lots to Adelphi, Molloy and Mercy. Then their are a bunch of D'3's

If you can play and want to continue there will be a spot for you at the college level. Many ways to get what you want. Wave is a great environment without all the club drama.

Oh and they even had a Northwestern commit

Doubt any team commits half their girls! Even YJ! Think you are exaggerating a tad. What tournaments do they play in, never heard of them making it to any championship

What teams would you recommend for a girl who wants to play and a parent who doesn't want club drama?

Any of them just be happy with a spot on the second or third team. Most of the drama is from the top teams or the parents desperate to be on one.

That's the point clueless dad, Wave making the finals has nothing to do with college coaches recruiting good players. Sure great club teams get more exposure, but college coaches are looking for players, not clubs. Many like being a bigger fish in a smaller pond. Go to their website to see the same college commitment page like every other club

Not impressive, nobody getting any money, why bother? Unless you like working for free

According to the website, the last committed girls were from 2015?

WOW and you wonder why everyone hates the YJ's? It's impossible for you to congratulate anyone that chooses another path.

OK JOE

You're wrong on that one. Top teams like M&D, Skywalkers, YJ commit about 95% of their A team girls. Not saying they are all going to Maryland, UNC, NW, etc. And not saying they get much money. But in many cases, they earn admission to school such as the Ivies that they may not have been able to without lacrosse. That really should be the goal anyway right?

I honestly had never heard of LI Wave until today.

So are any of these girls programs that are offshoots from boys actually successful?

Looks like another new one this year called recon?

95%? Does that mean one girl gets nothing? Bad for the self esteem. Is that one of the politically connected girls taking spots from more deserving girls? Karma?

Some girls decide not to play lacrosse in college. Every girl from MD Skywalkers, even YJ top teams can play somewhere at Div 1 or 2 of they wanted. The may not have a lot of choices, but every girl could find a place to play.

there are tons of girls who play for one of the bottom 25 D1 programs and those teams are really weak but club connections can get you a spot and at the end of the day you will be forever able to say "I played D1 lacrosse with scholarship"

After the top 5-10 schools its all the same

You are correct. Take Niagara as an example. My daughter and her friends are at best mid level players, play for a "not popular" club. All were recruited by Niagara, and offered a few thousand dollars. Not only is it 8+ hours away (1way) but it's rural and academics are not great. Closer option was Hartford and New Haven, both offered more $$ and we will be able to see every game. You don't need to be the best on your team, you don't need to be committed by 10th grade and you don't need to jump at the first college that contacts you. You DO need to be realistic- do you want to home for a nice meal once or twice a month? Will holidays be an issue? Are rosters big? And more importantly if you took lax out of the picture would you still stay at the school? Take me he Division out of the equation and go see 5 schools before you decide. Just my 2 cents, have a nice day

Excellent post. At the end of the day it's school. Would you be happy if you didn't play??

No that just isn't true. It isn't true for lax, and it isn't true in terms of academics either.

So you are saying that playing at Hopkins (16th rank lax, 10th rank academics) is the same as playing at Coastal Carolina or Niagara?

Or lets go a little further down the list to Georgetown (29th ranked on laxpower and 21st ranked academically) ...

Sorry, after the top 5-10 teams everything else is not the same. The teams ranked 10-20 r better than the ones 20-30 and so on. And there are tons of great academic schools beyond 5-10 as well. And that makes a difference. So if your kid is skilled enough at lax, it can help them get into great schools, and if their grades are great, it's a slam dunk. But u actually have to be a good lax player to go to Princeton or Harvard or Hopkins or Georgetown or many other schools not in the top 5-10 lax rankings.

The first part of your post is correct. Bottom 25 D1 teams r on par w many D3 teams and would lose to the top D3 teams.

Second part of post is not correct.

I hope we can get at least twenty more new teams show up before tryouts end so everybody can have their own perfect team.

Back to tryouts what about fl$ and elevate and I CON ? Just LOLING for a drama free year with coaches that actually show up for tournaments-

I think all tryouts should have an area where the parents have to tryout as well. If your kid is good but you are d!€{...sorry you didn't make the cut.

My apologies for changing the direction of the thread. I had two questions. One how many organizations did your daughter(s) try out for prior to start of the lax season and why ? Second question to all the parents is "How long did your daughter(s) play for their town PAL team and why did they continue or not continue ? Thanks in advance.

you are right about d2 and d3, many would eat up the bottom of D1. Deleware State? LIU Brooklyn? has been in the bottom 5 for over a decade. But they are both D1 and kids get money to play there

[quote=Anonymous]My apologies for changing the direction of the thread. I had two questions. One how many organizations did your daughter(s) try out for prior to start of the lax season and why ? Second question to all the parents is "How long did your daughter(s) play for their town PAL team and why did they continue or not continue ? Thanks in advance. [/quot

My daughter tried out for one club she made the A team. I had her try out for the club because it held practices ten minutes from my house. My daughter has played for our towns PAL team from first grade through 8th grade. She played PAL because she enjoys playing with her friends and her town preaches town comes first.

Awesome post. Thank you!

My daughter also only tried out for one. Playedcpal kindergarten to end of 5th. Going into 10th. Love the memories and special times.

tryout report for an unmentionable team with a numbered name. lots of 2018 and 2019 girls there. not many 2020. surprised to say pretty decent ent talent there.... surprised since they get so maligned here.

My daughter plays for one of the Title 9 teams and we are happy. Tryouts are 9/11 and 9/18. The problem was they practiced in Cutchogue so it is a hike for most and it probably kept the tryout numbers down. To remedy this, they are moving practices to Calverton, still out east, but not as far and easy to get to. Like most clubs, certain years are better than others but we like the club.

I was referring to team blindy bun

91 should just team up with Beach B's and they could probably make some good A and B teams between them. They seem like a good fit.

It has been years since I have seen a team from either program actually able to compete.
Plus they are both owned by the same organization so as long as they can still fill rosters and line their pockets ombinimg would not be in their best interest.

It may be necessary soon with all the new teams showing up every year...month? Not so easy to keep pure age rosters going forward.

What is the Suffolk All Star team about? Have never seen them at any tournament. Are they any good? Seems a little too much like Team LI on the boys side.

If your kid is a goalie, do you want them to play on the best team or a weak team?

you are kidding right?

I did my research and we are going to tryout for Liberty this year. I too have heard great things about the program. I saw they were running a lot of clinics at the HUB in syosset last winter which is what I want most for my daughter, more opportunities to play in the off season. Their director is also a former D1 girls coach from a top program. Spoke to several parents at tournaments this summer and they were all very happy (something I could not say for some of the other clubs I researched over this summer). They said the program is very well run and organized.

Just some info...if you are not from set or gc don't expect to make top team. Last year they couldn't even fill the b team until December as most b team girls left.

AT least hearsay-wise I'd back that up.... Lots of peeps have uttered that about them.... there are a few that are not from those towns but I think this is generally quite true.

this is not true. My daughter plays for Liberty and although there were a handful of girls from both Manhasset & GC on the team, every year there have been girls from several other communities. Don't believe the BS.

Which age group?

That's not true. My daughter played on the B team and had a great summer. She had 17 kids on the team and every kid came to every tourney. They played year round at the HUB and played in a winter league as well. Had a great experience at liberty with very good coaching. That sounds like a jealous club director posting that hmmmm.....

Who are the Suffolk Allstars?

Part of Suffolk County Girls Lacrosse, think you have to play SCGL to be eligible. Usually parent coaches - inexpensive but doesn't seem to attract big talent. Two of the older teams (2016 and 2017) left as a group and went to 90+1 a few years ago.

Are you denying that the team didn't have enough players until December. Most girls who made the B team left leaving them too short to field a team. They recruited unhappy girls from Elevate after their ttyouts. The A team is all set and GC. The b team is everyone else.

if the best girls left for that team it doesn't say much! Thank you!

Not the best girls - the whole teams.

Allstars were one of the original travel programs in Suffolk. Solid group of guys that run it. Run it as a non-profit. Solid track record of placing girls in collegiate programs. Recommend you reach out to them to ask them the questions directly rather than take advice on this forum.

Well, you can't reach out to them because there is no phone contact number and they didn't return my email. Guess that's a bad sign! Sounds a lot like Team Long Island which my son left for the same reasons!

When did you send your email? I'm with the program and any requests that have come in so far have been addressed. Please make sure you are using this email address: suffolkallstars@gmail.com. Multiple directors and coaches monitor that inbox.

Need honest assessment of YJ 22s. Three teams listed. How big is drop from A to B to C? Is there an honest shot of making A or B at tryouts at this stage?

A team is filled with a bunch of girls that are the coaches daughter's school mates. A few don't belong. The daddy coach is one of the most hated in the YJ organization, by their own parents. You can here parents complain about him whenever he's around.

Do not listen to this unhappy parent. Their daughter is probably not progressing as much as the other girls and he or she is jealous . With that being said there are girls from all over the island on all of the teams. There is a drop off from A to B to C but if the tryouts are done right that is what it should be. CR wants to win period. She wants the best girls on the best team. If you think she lets anyone change her mind you are crazy and obviously do not know her!!

You my friend must be smoking something if you don't think she places connected kids on top teams! Would love to say the top girls get the top spots but unfortunately that is not always the case.

They are actually spot on with that assessment!

In all honesty, your daughter will need to be exceptional to break into the A team as a newcomer to YJ at this age. Very good to break into B. Most likely, she'll make the C team and then have to prove herself and be noticed to move up from there next season. Just my honest, no BS opinion. That's what my daughter had to do as a rising 6th grader a couple of years back and now she's on the 2021 B team.

That's perfect. Fully what I expected when posing the question. Was just concerned that the C is not competitive, might be a throw away year and is it worth it if there are too many politics to honestly get a shot to move up.

You should consider LI Waive ( spelled wrong intentionally -fore some reason when spelled correctly it comes up ****). New owners just announced and will be aggressive yet stick with the one team per grade philosophy to ensure attention is given to every player. Better to be the standout on a small team than to get looked over on clubs with multiple teams looking for money. Remember- college coaches don't care what team you played on. Go with a dedicated small club and get some private lessons here and there.

The top half of the B team is solid, although there is the potential for movement off the team, as some may elect to try and make another clubs A team. The bottom of B and the C team are close.. don't be surprised if a slot on B is offered.
there were issue this past season on B as the head coach was alone most of the practices and early Tourn's.. this should be rectified this year but who knows??

This is not terrible advice, although I will counter, if she can make the top clubs top team, that's where she should play

This is not terrible advice, although I will counter, if she can make the top clubs top team, that's where she should play
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We did the "throw away" year last season, and expect to move up, since my daughter turned out to be one of the best on the B team. During the tryout last year (YJ) being new to the organization, she was pretty much immediately banished to the looser side. (everyone knows what that means!) Was not even given a fair chance! We stuck it out, worked hard, hopefully it pays off!

Can I ask? What team are you thinking of moving from, can you hint? Is it another higher end team (Top Guns, Elevate, Liberty) or a lower tiered team (Leg A C, Beach Bums, 90+1, etc.)??? I think this would make a difference in your decision. If she's already on the A of one of the other "big" teams, why move? If she's on a lower team's A, then a move to YJ C would make sense if she has the talent to be noticed.

Im not trying to be a d*ck, but, in order to move up she'll need to be "The" best player on B or be better than the last player on A.

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I still think the key thing will be playing time. Playing < 7 minutes a game on an A team vs most of the game on a B team, I'd personally take the B team unless you really feel that the spot on the A team will result in big time on the field. Lest anyone forget the roster sizes involved here. Being #23 on the team is pretty much a chance to stand next to the kids who are playing rather than actually playing in the game.

Agreed 2022 A is top notch. 2022 runs 35 very good Girls 30 good IMO. 10 of which are legit studs.

Any any given day the top 10 A can be swapped with the top 10 B kids and there would be no impact to either team. I have yet to see a YJ A team with 20 plus studs.

Appreciate the healthy dialogue on this. These questions typically go right into the gutter. We have played for one of the A teams in what would have been in the 2nd tier that was listed above. Everyone is telling us to make the jump soon to one of the bigger programs as we've maxed out our experience there. I'm not one of those parents that thinks my daughter is the best, probably only expect her to be on the B at YJ if I'm honest with myself, which led to my question of is there an honest shot of cracking the roster at tryouts, if not, is the C competitive enough to learn for a year while she earns her way up. Think I got what I was looking for on here. Well done, folks!

Meant the bottom 10 on A

I have seen many times at several age groups the top girls from B go up and struggle mightily on A. Have also seen struggling A girls go down and kill it on the B team. I would agree with you for about 2 or 3 kids can be interchanged and make little difference. 10 you are delusional. At several age groups at YJ I would go as far to say 0. As in the worst player on A is better than the best on B. But there are definitely a few political age groups that need fixing.

Good luck with that.

Thats what we'll be saying to you when your daughter is moved down! Rather work hard and earn it than feel entitled!

Who cares what team she is on. If she is good enough...college coaches will find her. You have to market you kid, not the program. Send emails to coaches, go to camp, and don't waste your $$$$$$ on YG, TG..Save some $ go to a small club and if she is good enough she will be recruited.

Only problem with that strategy is the small clubs charge just as much or more.

Are all of the clubs out there charging $2000 plus like Team Elevate, YG and Top Gun? FOR WHAT???? Its not the Club....Its you and your child doing the work. Its CRAZY how much $$$ is thrown around looking for the D1 Full Ride that DOES NOT EXIST.

Small clubs are cost effective and so much more personal attention! It doesn't matter what club your kid plays for- it's better to save your money and coaches your schedule, make a YouTube tape and they will contact your daughter or son.

The key is getting the coaching. Right now TG and YJ are lacking that. YJ just paoches talented girls and TG barley teaches the girls about how to play the game.

So who has all the coaching, and what clubs are yj poaching?

YJ's poach from everywhere! Every year some of the best kids at all the surrounding programs make the jump because they are promised things and they know the club will get them the most visibility. Its easier to get a look on the YJ's then some other teams but it is POSSIBLE EVERYWHERE you just have to work at it. 2nd pick in NFL draft was from a D2 school that kid had a tougher road then an ohio state kid on tv ever week but the kid still got noticed. Best girls on Wave and Liberty do just fine finding a college spot

Speak for yourself. SS coaches the 2020 Black team and my daughter couldn't be happier despite all the negativity you read here. I'll also add that as parents we are very happy as well. The point is don't discredit all the coaches on travel teams. There are lots of good ones on all of them, YJ, TG, etc .... Maybe your child didn't get what you hoped out of it, but many are learning and developing great lacrosse skills and life skills. And , many are having the time of their lives with great friends.

Have you seen the Wave commitment page?

Liberty absolutely, but it's a stretch to say that the Wave is in the same league when it comes to placing their girls. Look at the difference in where the girls from Liberty attend versus the Wave and you will see there really is no comparison.

that has more to do with talent level than the club simply pitching kids to a school

Difference is the Liberty kids were going to those good schools either way. Sorry but that's a product of growing up in Manahasset.

Talking about Liberty....why does it take 10 days after try-outs for roster spots to be offered?

Seems pretty odd.

whats going on with rules changes for 2017

so you would rather have to find out within 3 days and be forced to commit in another 3 days?...and write that check for $500?makes more sense to buy some time in case you want to try out for other organizations w/out being forced to commit right away..

You are assuming that no other offers are already outstanding.

good point....was not sure how many other programs have already conducted tryouts...

for a Lower tier team Legacy beat teams that beat TG and Liberty this year. Doubt Any of them will beat Leg next season after upgrades.

for a Lower tier team Legacy beat teams that beat TG and Liberty this year. Doubt Any of them will beat Leg next season after upgrades.

What upgrades?

A few YJ girls are going to Leg for 2023, for the coaching. Should be a very good team next year.

I'm no YJ parent but jeez-- every year now with the 'Leg is going to kill it now with the YJ players they are snatching'. Look at the same time last year on these forums and you'll see it all over the place. It's hooey.

Yawn... No one cares about this program, they will never draw quality studs, All low level talent on all the teams A and B combined. Program is above Beach Bums, *1, but will never get to the YJ or even TG level and TG has been struggling so that says alot. I would advise those girls to stay where they are. This program is struggling to even build a buzz. No buzz, no interest = no looks, that's unless those girls are on YJ 3-4. First and second YJ have no business leaving for Leg.

If they have the heart to leave the brand and go purely with the best coach for the age group

How do the 2023 YJ compare to TG? I know the last time they played TG won handily. It seemed like the YJ teams didn't do well last summer against the better teams, at times loosing all the games at some tournaments. Is it a weak year in general?

How do the 2019 YJ compare to the rest of the island clubs

Wow...someone has some issues. You are right that they are having a tough time at some age groups. But a couple of teams are pretty good. Their 2020 blue team is comprised of many girls that left TG and YJ. Yes, and some of them were from that organizations top team. And, to your dismay, many are receiving contacts from some top colleges. But please continue to go on believing that only certain teams get looked at if that makes you feel better.

Just goes to show what coaching can do...they did take kids from lower TG and YJ and have developed two very good teams...they don't need a buzz from this website...they need to develop kids and thats it!!

What two teams did they develop? and I'm sorry, I would not be leaving my program to go to a start up branch off of a boys team just because they have one good team. What top teams did they play this summer to even come close to being called a good team? and I mean a top team, please do not give me a rundown of all the low level teams and tournaments they played. Seems you Leg folks, like to toot your own horns. The one "good team" as you call it is very mediocre. let's have this conversation again next year when you are still looking for your kids commit/offer. Truth is they're not having issues with some teams, they're having issues with almost all except the mighty self proclaimed "Pretty Good" Blue Team. Program is for kids that have no other options so they settle. Most of the TG/YJ kids that left to go to Leg were demoted and saw Leg as a way to save face. Mediocre low level program/kids.

Boy are you right! it's actually quite annoying as no one actually believes it other than the delusional parents that are there. Wanna be YJ so bad bunch of looney parents.

They should take all the BBP and Sayville kids they can get there hands on!

How was the Igloo turnout? Did most existing return?

What is the cost for TG,Elevate,Liberty and YJ?
Are they about the same?

So the Express 'tryouts' consisted of barely enough girls to fill a team for the '18 and '19's and certainly not enough for the '20's. They are shot. Was a waste of money/time.

Incidentally, one of the 4 people running the tryouts LOUDLY announced in front of the grandstands that she didn't have her contacts on and couldn't see what was what. If she's nearsighted she cannot see the field of players, if she's farsighted she cannot see names/numbers on a player sheet. Might want to keep that down in front of the parents.

Played the 2021 team at Hofstra and they were surprisingly pretty good. They spanked Wave and lost to TE by 1 goal.

Actually the 18s and 19s where mostly very good during the tryouts. S

When are people going to realize wave teams are not good. A win over them means nothing.

September 13th. I think that's when Wave Realization Day is, if I remember correctly.

I've never even heard of Wave

Lol, very funny!

Wave is a program that has been around for quite some time. It is a much more intimate club, they only take 1 team per age group and work with every girl to develop into the best player she can be. We switched over a few years ago after being on a Top team and never looked back. Although my daughter has a few years left of high school ball, the direction and guidance has been valuable, my niece on the other hand stayed with the Top team and will graduate this year and could not get "the directors" to return phone calls. This was the case with many girls, which is a shame but lesson learned. Check out every option and then make a decision, you never want to say "I should have" &#128077;&#127995;

Nobody was thumping about Wave. Some grades are better than others and yes the 2021 team in particular is not very good and even lost to most LI B teams. The people that are there seem to be happy and it works for them.

Great reply..if folks are happy where they are and Wave fits the bill, who is anyone else to throw stones?...but will agree, spanking Wave is no real "feather in a cap" for another travel program...

So angry. Why are you so angry about a program that you want no part of? My kid is not from this program, so I don't know much, but I do know some of the kids well. They have some talent, I guess they just don't have enough depth. As a consumer, I was actually hoping that this program would be more successful. I truly believe that LI is missing out on a lot of what MD does with their programs. They have a number of programs that compete at a high level in each age group. LI has a couple of age groups like that (I firmly believe that 2020 is one of those groups despite all the negativity). But it seems that too many directors and parents cannot get along due to egos and $. Just my honest opinion.

I agree with your post. Keeps putting down anyone who's not a YJ A. I think this is the same poster who keeps making negative comments on the TG thread. Even though some YJ A teams have been beaten by other LI teams, this poster just won't stop, makes you wonder who is behind this? I think it's great that LI has some good options and young clubs looking to make a mark!

May be hard to believe, but there are actually quite a few people (actually more like a lot of people)that are not drinking the Legacy kool aid. If you are happy there that's all that should matter.

In my world an anonymous post means nothing !
Start putting your name to what you say if you want to put down other programs, teams or dare I say 12 year old girls!!!
Assholes!!

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I agree with your post. Keeps putting down anyone who's not a YJ A. I think this is the same poster who keeps making negative comments on the TG thread. Even though some YJ A teams have been beaten by other LI teams, this poster just won't stop, makes you wonder who is behind this? I think it's great that LI has some good options and young clubs looking to make a mark! [/quote]

All of the costs are posted on the clubs website with the exception of Elevate as they seem to be the least transparent on this topic. I have had kids on 3 different clubs. YJ charges a member fee that doesn't include tourneys or anything else. We also played on Elevate 2 years ago and Liberty last year. Liberty includes things like winter indoor practices, scrimmages with other clubs, etc all included in their fee. We spent a lot less on Liberty than we did on Elevate as Elevate charged for EVERYTHING. Bus tour, cash only at the door practices, recruiting, etc.

2020 is a cesspool on LI. Parents are the worst. The girls can play but they follow their parents lead so its bad but where do you go? Most have been talking about how great their kid is and how everybody else can't keep up since 3rd grade.

Long Island Bengals Girls Teams have tryouts next week. Great coaches. Very good team last year.

Out of curiosity, why do the YJs require girls to bring a ball with their name on it to tryouts?

I haven't seen this at any other tryout.

Not looking for CR $ jokes please.

Is this a paid advertisement? I am the owner of the Bengals and I approve this message!

Yellow Jackets keeps all balls at the end of tryouts and considers them a charitable contribution for future use in team practices.

The player is asked to place their name on the ball so that CR knows who to send the documentation to so that individual may deduct the value of the ball from their income as a noncash charitable contribution.

CR never misses a trick.

Bengals Really.

She's the best! She makes tens of thousands of dollars on tryouts and you need to bring your own ball. And parents have zero issue with her or her money making schemes. Double dipping by running 8 tournaments a year, no problem. Send your kids to privates, camp, clinics, winter, the BBQ, the new bus trip on and on and on. She has everyone scared Shatliss.

Not for me, but she is brilliant. And her defenders wash her car and cut her grass for good measure

Great now tell us which of the non money grab clubs your daughter plays for?

Bandits don't they end in 8th grade? Whats this required parent assisted fundraising all about?

Did you REALLY just compare the Bandits to YJ? Really? That's like comparing the LI Ducks to the Yankees

The Bandits did thump on the YJ B teams this summer. 2021 had a better showing vs YJ A than most LI clubs. And parents kept $2k in their pocket. That being said, come recruiting age, probably better off onYJ.

Try reading it again - nice and slowly. Nobody was comparing the teams, somebody answered the question about a non money grab club - the opposite of YJ. And why are the Dux getting the [***] treatment - is that even a lax club?

Title 9 is a non for profit lacrosse organization. It's on their website.

Hey ,
Can I get some input on the YJ 2020 a and b teams? I'd like to know how they are. Thank u in advance

So is the Clinton Foundation

So that means absolutely nothing other than they can't show a profit and all the money needs to stay within the organization. I do business with a lot of non profits and many spend money like there's no tomorrow. I would not base my decision solely on how they structured the club but for the record I know nothing about them, how much they pay themselves and how they spend the money they take in.

where did the four new Liberty blk girls come from? Someone said TE but heard that's not the case.

The same place all of the other girls on the team come from G.C., Manhasett, RVC, Syosset lol

what age group?

2021 picked up some new players and dont think they are from any of the above towns. Liberty seems to be expanding beyond and attracting quality players to the program.

Comment on the following: Should a team that holds tryouts that do not have enough players to even form a team even if 100 percent accepted? There's no chance of a team, and therefore the player is trying out for nothing. Yet another reason these organizations need more scrutiny from a business ethics point of view!?!

Thoughts?

[quote=Anonymous]Comment on the following: Should a team that holds tryouts that do not have enough players to even form a team even if 100 percent accepted? There's no chance of a team, and therefore the player is trying out for nothing. Yet another reason these organizations need more scrutiny from a business ethics point of view!?!

Thoughts?

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That's a new one, what club? Did they at least refund the tryout fee?

will be interesting as TE has , I think, the last tryouts of season. So any kid from TE who has tried out for other programs , will have prob already committed to another program.
They may/may not have lost players at this point.

Where is the question here? Think you left something out.

Nope, YJ is the cleanup batter. They scoop up all the kids that haven't committed to a club. Actually brilliant as it also locks in most of kids that end up getting demoted as well.

It's all great until you realize that if you're not from Set you don't really matter - most find that out by the end of year one

we will see about that!

I thought that's why they have a B team?

do you say that because of personal experience?

The Elevate told 2 of my daughters friends who currently play on a B team at another club that if they come to tryouts this weekend they will be placed on the A team. I am not all that familiar with Elevate but does this even sound remotely true? The Elevate Director doesn't really know the girls. Input please?

I have a lot of friends who play on liberty and don't live remotely near Manhasset - that was how it was years ago - things have dramatically changed over there for the better

agree - there are kids from many towns on liberty as was witnessed at tryouts this year. my daughter's A team has kids who reside from all over the island.

They could be in need to fill out rosters especially if someone knows these girls and spoke to TE director. Nobody is leaving YJA, TGA or Liberty A to go to elevate so their only option is to try and grab some disgruntled B team girls and offer them a spot on the top team.

Yes, Elevate has been making the promise to a lot of girls to lure them into coming to tryouts. Before you leave your current team and say no to them, wait and see where you end up. You will be placed on the Elevate B team and then it will come with a lonngggg motivational story from DK. Its all part of the sales process. If YJ was coming after your daughter and made a deal for your daughter to be on the A team, that would be a very different story but that is not the case. Keep your eyes wide open!

Nobody said struggling to fill rosters but guaranteed they will lose some girls on A teams like every past year. I'm sure they are also looking to upgrade a few spots. Knowing what I know, I have no doubt they are reaching out to other players to get as many to tryouts as possible especially at $95 clip

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The Elevate told 2 of my daughters friends who currently play on a B team at another club that if they come to tryouts this weekend they will be placed on the A team. I am not all that familiar with Elevate but does this even sound remotely true? The Elevate Director doesn't really know the girls. Input please? [/quoted te]

You think Elevate is struggling to fill spots on their A team? I guess it's possible.

They could be in need to fill out rosters especially if someone knows these girls and spoke to TE director. Nobody is leaving YJA, TGA or Liberty A to go to elevate so their only option is to try and grab some disgruntled B team girls and offer them a spot on the top team. [/quote] [/quote]

Nobody said struggling to fill rosters but guaranteed they will lose some girls on A teams like every past year. I'm sure they are also looking to upgrade a few spots. Knowing what I know, I have no doubt they are reaching out to other players to get as many to tryouts as possible especially at $95 clip [/quote]

What is it that you think you "know"?

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Nobody said struggling to fill rosters but guaranteed they will lose some girls on A teams like every past year. I'm sure they are also looking to upgrade a few spots. Knowing what I know, I have no doubt they are reaching out to other players to get as many to tryouts as possible especially at $95 clip [/quote]

What is it that you think you "know"? [/quote]

oh, I dunno..maybe that Dave is a crook???

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Nobody said struggling to fill rosters but guaranteed they will lose some girls on A teams like every past year. I'm sure they are also looking to upgrade a few spots. Knowing what I know, I have no doubt they are reaching out to other players to get as many to tryouts as possible especially at $95 clip [/quote]

What is it that you think you "know"? [/quote]

oh, I dunno..maybe that Dave is a crook??? [/quote]

Would they discount the $95 if you pay cash the day of?

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Nobody said struggling to fill rosters but guaranteed they will lose some girls on A teams like every past year. I'm sure they are also looking to upgrade a few spots. Knowing what I know, I have no doubt they are reaching out to other players to get as many to tryouts as possible especially at $95 clip [/quote]

What is it that you think you "know"? [/quote]

You guys are so cute in your TE bucket hats!

I was thinking of having my daughter try out for YJ, But I was checking out the fall tournament rosters and noticed that they already have names of new girls that were not on the team prior and tryouts have not been held.. At this point is it safe to say skip the tryout? If the tournament rosters have new girls, I'm assuming these girls have already been offered a spot. So what's the point of bringing my kid?

How do you know who is new?

Because if she is good, she will be offered a spot.

You are correct. Under table deals

Good point. If you weren't on the team last year and you are "thinking" about taking her to tryouts, how do you know there are Nice try.............

Nobody even mentioned the age group unless this is happening across the board?

I think you are busted ! Care to enlighten us as to why you really posted ? If you are truly interested the tryouts are legit, if you can play you will be given the chance to tryout with the top team. Every year someone shows up and it is very apparent they have the talent to compete on the top team. These players are spotted almost immediately and sent to play with the blue team .

One of the other parents contacted me on the same thing... Charging for tryouts for a team that never is able to be formed.... there's something inherently wrong about that no?

To all you YJ lemmings on the 2021 top team CR just sent you a big message! The team didn't cut it this summer plain and simple. I'm sure more deals were cut and they will become pretty apparent at your tryouts.

It's no secret that this team is always looking for talented young ladies. Can't speak for everyone but that's why our daughter came to YJ she wanted to compete with as many of the top players as possible. She loves it best move we could have made.

All great until you get pushed to the B team

All great until you get pushed to the B team [/quote]

And thank goodness it is that way. I want the best players to come and compete and win the spots over others. This is how these teams stay on top. Is is sad if it is my daughter that gets dropped, yes. But wouldn't want it any other way. Why do you think these YJ teams are ahead and shoulders above all the others on LI? If your sensitive over that philosophy, there are all the rest of the clubs on the island where you can feel safe and secure about a roster spot, provided you are from the right town and kiss the right butts.

And thank goodness it is that way. I want the best players to come and compete and win the spots over others. This is how these teams stay on top. Is is sad if it is my daughter that gets dropped, yes. But wouldn't want it any other way. Why do you think these YJ teams are ahead and shoulders above all the others on LI? If your sensitive over that philosophy, there are all the rest of the clubs on the island where you can feel safe and secure about a roster spot, provided you are from the right town and kiss the right butts. [/quote]

You must be new, your last sentence shows how clueless you are about this club.

You must be new, your last sentence shows how clueless you are about this club. [/quote]

YJ is not "head and shoulders" above all other LI teams. The YJ a teams have been beaten by other LI teams in some age groups

YJ is not "head and shoulders" above all other LI teams. The YJ a teams have been beaten by other LI teams in some age groups [/quote]

Perhaps at the younger age groups but rarely once in middle school and above.

Genius..the rosters for the season that just ended are on the website along with the fall tournament rosters..you really must learn how to use the internet. And I was asking about the 2020 age group specifically.

You must be new, your last sentence shows how clueless you are about this club. [/quote]

New to this? That's funny. Between my kids I have 17 years of travel lacrosse. I know exactly what I am talking about. Hind sight is 20/20, good luck with your road ahead.

Perhaps at the younger age groups but rarely once in middle school and above. [/quote]

2021 and 2022 were absolutely not heads and shoulders above the other LI top teams.
Only delirious YJ parents think that.

New to this? That's funny. Between my kids I have 17 years of travel lacrosse. I know exactly what I am talking about. Hind sight is 20/20, good luck with your road ahead. [/quote]

Thank you for setting the record straight! In my wildest dreams I had no idea that every top spot on YJ was earned by ability alone. Its actually refreshing to hear in this day and age of politics, connected kids, behind the scene deals, friends and family and being from the right town has no place in the YJ organization. One more thing, when your journey ends could I get those rose colored glasses you must be wearing?

You sat and compared rosters? Say no more!

2021 and 2022 were absolutely not heads and shoulders above the other LI top teams.
Only delirious YJ parents think that. [/quote]

While there are many fine teams at 2021 I was not aware of any that could beat or come close on LI. That's good news , better competition develops better players.

As a newbie parent to the tryout scene. I did my best to try and showup to see how the tryouts are run by different clubs and speak to some of the people in charge. I really appreciate the members on the boards with their input. My goal was to find a club for my daughter for next year when she is in fourth grade. What I have seen is really not many girls trying out for fourth grade and that it is a money grab more than a tryout. If you have only 20 girls trying out how can they not make the team ? Some parents said better off taking the travel money and spending it on a vacation when they are this young. I can see why. The main reason that I wanted my daughter in a travel program was to get the extra touches that a PAL team couldn't necessarily give her. We usually skipped most lax practices because of the basic training that she gets. She has already mastered the skills that most girls are just learning. She loves lax so it's hard to see when she is not having fun at practice. With that being said has anyone found a club that allows your kids to train with them without being a part of the team. My daughter plays multiple sports so I wouldn't mind just practicing and playing PAL lax at her current age. I just want her to have fun and get better. Thanks in advance for any insight.

Ask the clubs directly, I'm sure they will be happy to take your money

When my daughter was in 4th grade we had her tryout for a 5th grade team and she played up for that year and had a great time.

If you have her skipping practices in 4th grade because she is too good. I don't think you are setting the right tone. Part of being a team is helping the others on that team become a better player. This is true in college ball as well. Looking for more touches was given as the reason for looking into travel. But you are on a team already where touches are available but you are not going to practice. Just having the stick in your hand at that age is a good thing. I would make the PAL practice and tell your daughter to help her team. In 3 years some may be in a position to help your daughter.

I doubt it...mom said she is skipping practice because she has already "mastered the skills"...too funny!!! That's some parenting!

that must be some pleasant mom to deal with when her kid is already so advanced. wow.

My friend asked me because we used to play on Elevate but I don't know the answer. Her friend who has a 2019 daughter received an email that she made the team and there was a roster with names stating which girls made the team. Her daughter, I think a 2018 got an email that she made Elevate but that was all that it said and there was no roster with name or numbers. I told her to ask the Director but she wasn't comfortable. Does anyone know why some emails would have a roster and other emails were much more vague? Thanks for the info.

If you "used" to play on Elevate, you would know to treat anything Dave does with a great level of caution & Skepticism ....your friend can be sure there is a reason behind the workings of Dave and it more than likely comes down to scamming newbies out of $$.Did the email come with a request to donate to Daves college bus tour?

I'm sorry for the nasty responses you get on here. I have a 4th grade daughter also, and -- particularly with little girls -- there is a big disparity right now in abilities. some girls can throw and catch and some girls can't. It's that simple. And for those that can, it's frustrating and will be until the other girls catch up -- which requires effort outside the PAL season which some girls are not willing to put in.

There are some clubs that will let your daughter "play up" if you ask. It's really as simple as asking. Otherwise, you may want to look at certain private academies that offer weekly group training just to keep her challenged and improving her game. I think some clubs offer winter training sessions after the new year where a spot on one of their teams is not necessary.

A team / B team?? Perhaps the 2018 made a B team and the roster isn't complete yet. Usually an A already has commitments from returning players, so the roster is much easier to confirm.

Sorry but your friend is a dope if she's not comfortable contacting the club for more details before they plunk down 3K and make a year commitment not to mention the travel expense and time. Not trying to be a smart [lacrosse] but that's ridiculous. If there was no other roster they are waiting to see who accepts but doubtful she made a top team. Director is a very nice person and I'm sure if they sent an email with a request to discuss further they would be more than happy to call her.

See, there's an [lacrosse] for every seat. You've found each other-- the 2 parents who's kids are too good at the ripe old age of 9. NUTZ to you both

Tank you, Mrs. Kotowski for the clarification

mousey parents are one of the biggest enablers for these coaches. too uncomfortable (scared) to ask a simple question? you deserve what you get for the money you spend.

Tank you Dope # 2! I said he's a nice guy, he's approachable. Nothing about the club, business practices or anything else.

Tanks for the feedback...Hillary is prob a nice person too....and I am guessing approachable...

That's a very bad sign! That means there are NOT enough kids to field a team. You need to know the name of every kid offered a spot and how many there are. Don't forget, some kids also wont accept a spot. There are definitely not enough kids. Elevate has pulled that trick before just to get $$$$s in the door. Save your money and go elsewhere or you will be in for a longggg summer. I am sure your daughter deserves better!

Thank you for articulating what I was trying to say. I guess some words can be misinterpreted. Mastered is not a word I should have used. My daughter is young but she knows how to scoop and get ground balls. She can catch and throw lefty and righty well but it's hard to do so in practice when the other girl can't throw and catch.Thank you for your understanding.It gets frustrating to her to chase every errant throw. I totally get the more the girls will play and practice they will be able to do those things also. I understand everyone has to start from the beginning My intent was to get some info from parents that could help my daughter get touches without getting touched in the wallet. I've read on the boards that many clubs would do so. But I'm not into making donations unless tax deductible. I wIll try to get my daughter into some clinics and stick with PAL lax for now. Your right there is no such thing as having enough touches and for her to have the chance to help other girls. Appreciate the feed back.

So your saying that every game you have gone to over the years there wasn't a boy or girl who were better than the others on the field. Cmon. As of right now she's better than most girls her age and down the road my daughter may be the worst or an average player when the others girls catchup in skills.She might even quit to take up art. All I wanted was info so she can practice with kids with the same abilities because this is a sport as of now she likes to do. I'm glad you made yourself feel better by calling us out. Thanks for the info. Real productive.

If you are concerned about going to Elevate for the reasons that have been stated, there are many options out there for your daughter.

Only one team for this family

It's a way of keeping you on ice while they see how many accept on the top two teams. For what it's worth nobody else does this.

Need insight from those with experience - my 2018 step daughter has a choice of playing fl$ or Team 91, wants away from YJ (no complaints just wants to be with friends). Hearing fl$ is a skeleton squad but need confirmation from a parent. Thanks.

Well that clears it up for us...

I was told many girls that tried out for elevate and made the B team are not taking spots. Where are most of them going? what club?

most of them going to the club team your daughters on

We are new to travel on the girls side and debating going to elevate tryouts tomorrow. Any input on the club is appreciated. TY

Search the threads under the main forum, there is an elevate thread, you can read many pages of posts to give you a flavor for the club. How accurate is anybody's guess, you will have to figure out between the homers and haters, somewhere in the middle lies the truth. Good luck with which ever club you choose.

so my daughter 'tried out' for 2020 express. they never contact us or anyone else from what I hear since the didn't have enough interest to put a team together. complete rip off to take money for a tryout, don't create a team, don't contact anyone.

Express 2020 was a bust last year too if I remember. Beach B's 2020 would have been a better alternative.

My kid tried out there last year for 2020, they weren't able to get enough for a team in the end. That's just plain taking money from people.... swampland sales.

did they at least refund your $$?
or did that go towards dinner and drinks for the director?

No refund but they at least told us they were having issues teamwise--- I didn't think to ask for a refund (but I should have). I guess I'm getting to accepting of buying them dinner and drinks at every turn. The fact that they don't even answer this year's crop is messed up and just about criminal.

So wrong ....they should return your $$ no questions asked and you SHOULD ask for it back. NONE of the travel programs are held to the standards we would expect from any other business owner. Where's Chuck Shumer when ya need him?
Better yet, one of those local news shows to do an investigation of books and records.
But whatever you do, don't wait till "they get enough players for a team". You will be left out in cold.

That elevate tryout certainly was interesting. I had never met the director before. He definitely was the center of attention. He doesn't stop talking but didn't seem like a great coach. What's his deal? I asked some returning parents about him and got very mixed reviews. They had very negative things to say about the daughter director. We didn't accept the spot there as my daughter thought the kids weren't that good.

What year and what team did you not accept position on?