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Posted By: TheBackOfTheCage

Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/27/14 03:24 PM

BOTC is opening our Fall 2014 through Summer 2015 thread covering the Boys 2017 age group.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/27/14 08:12 PM

Here's to the most insane dads on STRONG ISLAND. Keep complaining about the ages of other kids across the United States!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/28/14 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here's to the most insane dads on STRONG ISLAND. Keep complaining about the ages of other kids across the United States!


Ha ha. Nice opening salvo. Well, here's to keeping the system accountable and honest.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/28/14 03:51 PM

Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/28/14 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?

That's laughable. I mean good for the kid going to Duke, but lots of kids get into Duke every year without getting left back 2/3 years. I hope he can keep up academically if he needed all those years to close the gap with his own peers.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/28/14 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?


As a MD Dad with a 2017 who just turned 15 two months ago, I agree in principle. We can spend another 6 months on a thread complaining about it to no avail. Here is one thing I would say. My son wanted to be on the varsity field as a 9th grader, and he made it. They all want that, which means getting out there with kids who are seniors at least 3 years older. But for club play many this holy alliance they need to be in the same 12 month window. I'm fine with that. So why doesn't US lacrosse say that club play must be age based? Canadian box is. U-17, U-16, etc. That still does nothing to fix there being no rule against 16-18 year old HS freshman players. I wonder why the college coaches do not see a 16-17 year old freshman as "soft" or "asterisk" if after some diligence I learned that he did 8th grade over and/or 9th grade over to get over the hump to be recruited. That weakness and coping never leaves a kid I think...a lot of these reclassified kids will feel all alone without their Dad and club owner fixing it every time it didn't go great for them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/28/14 07:32 PM

Well said!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/28/14 07:47 PM

LI dad that couldn't agree more, when they get to JV and Varsity age is out the window, and size, best way to beat a large D, move the ball, quick passes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/29/14 01:04 AM

You people are crazy... My son has told me that he wants to go to the best college possible academically and wants to play club, and love every second of it. d1 lacrosse is a job and i applaud all those who do it. Once you graduate, nobody cares where you played or how many goals you scored, the bottom line is you have to get a job. However I do respect d1 athletes greatly
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/29/14 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?


As a MD Dad with a 2017 who just turned 15 two months ago, I agree in principle. We can spend another 6 months on a thread complaining about it to no avail. Here is one thing I would say. My son wanted to be on the varsity field as a 9th grader, and he made it. They all want that, which means getting out there with kids who are seniors at least 3 years older. But for club play many this holy alliance they need to be in the same 12 month window. I'm fine with that. So why doesn't US lacrosse say that club play must be age based? Canadian box is. U-17, U-16, etc. That still does nothing to fix there being no rule against 16-18 year old HS freshman players. I wonder why the college coaches do not see a 16-17 year old freshman as "soft" or "asterisk" if after some diligence I learned that he did 8th grade over and/or 9th grade over to get over the hump to be recruited. That weakness and coping never leaves a kid I think...a lot of these reclassified kids will feel all alone without their Dad and club owner fixing it every time it didn't go great for them.




There is no way you are from MD with that comment!!!'
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/29/14 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?


As a MD Dad with a 2017 who just turned 15 two months ago, I agree in principle. We can spend another 6 months on a thread complaining about it to no avail. Here is one thing I would say. My son wanted to be on the varsity field as a 9th grader, and he made it. They all want that, which means getting out there with kids who are seniors at least 3 years older. But for club play many this holy alliance they need to be in the same 12 month window. I'm fine with that. So why doesn't US lacrosse say that club play must be age based? Canadian box is. U-17, U-16, etc. That still does nothing to fix there being no rule against 16-18 year old HS freshman players. I wonder why the college coaches do not see a 16-17 year old freshman as "soft" or "asterisk" if after some diligence I learned that he did 8th grade over and/or 9th grade over to get over the hump to be recruited. That weakness and coping never leaves a kid I think...a lot of these reclassified kids will feel all alone without their Dad and club owner fixing it every time it didn't go great for them.




There is no way you are from MD with that comment!!!'


We are from Maryland, and believe me the kids who play straight up are in the minority but are proud to not be "wimp-peats" as they like to call their peers who reclassified for lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/29/14 01:35 PM

Villanova Freshman Class: Take a look at the birthdates.

http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=40739
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/29/14 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?

That's laughable. I mean good for the kid going to Duke, but lots of kids get into Duke every year without getting left back 2/3 years. I hope he can keep up academically if he needed all those years to close the gap with his own peers.


Is he from TX, Canada, DC or LI?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/29/14 02:30 PM

Yeah some of the out of state ny kids are a year older.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/29/14 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Villanova Freshman Class: Take a look at the birthdates.

http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=40739


They all look to be on the older side with quite a few entering as 19 year olds.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/29/14 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Villanova Freshman Class: Take a look at the birthdates.

http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=40739


All this does is lend credit to holding back your son. Especially if under sized to compete with those a year younger.

Villanova is on my 2019 sons wish list; maybe it is a serious consideration.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/29/14 05:59 PM

The number of transfers in D1 suggests that early recruiting led kids to schools not best for them. Must be close to half a dozen kids leaving or transfering to Maryland alone. Never seen as many kids who played a lot as freshmen in college flipping to other programs. Used to be small number of kids disgruntled over PT or who got a reality check they would not see the field at a big time program. This is different...Looks like MLB at the trade deadline.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/29/14 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The number of transfers in D1 suggests that early recruiting led kids to schools not best for them. Must be close to half a dozen kids leaving or transfering to Maryland alone. Never seen as many kids who played a lot as freshmen in college flipping to other programs. Used to be small number of kids disgruntled over PT or who got a reality check they would not see the field at a big time program. This is different...Looks like MLB at the trade deadline.


I am curious how is this possible without ramifications (losing a year of eligibility). Then I wonder, they aren't getting a full ride so why should a school hold you hostage if they aren't giving you a full ride?

What are the drawbacks? What are the rules? are the coaches just releasing the players?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/29/14 07:09 PM

Coaches are giving releases.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/29/14 09:46 PM

Think of life as if it is one hundred marbles. In my opinion, lacrosse is worth only about 2, maybe 3 marbles. Who the heck cares if your son is or isn`t going to college to play lacrosse. Set priorities in life, and I hope* that lacrosse is at the bottom of your list.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Think of life as if it is one hundred marbles. In my opinion, lacrosse is worth only about 2, maybe 3 marbles. Who the heck cares if your son is or isn`t going to college to play lacrosse. Set priorities in life, and I hope* that lacrosse is at the bottom of your list.


Lacrosse is a vehicle you can use to get your son into a school he might not have made into on grades alone. Additionally, any of us that may have played a sport at the collegiate level knows what a special experience it is. I personally would love my son to be able to experience playing a sport at that level and getting the most of his college years, but by no means is it the end all be all of our lives. Its all about setting your son up to be successful in life after school. Lacrosse is just one way to help him on his way
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 02:16 AM

Which teams will have best opportunity to help my son get recruited? He has always played with town and is a good player. It is time to pick a travel team that will be good for recruiting if he makes the team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 02:20 AM

I don't think they are horribly old, several of the 1995s are December birthdays, actually I am surprised many are younger 18s.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think they are horribly old, several of the 1995s are December birthdays, actually I am surprised many are younger 18s.


In my district December 1 is the cutoff, the December kids are in the correct grade. The other 1995 kids are held back. The PA, MA and MD kids are much older than the NY kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think they are horribly old, several of the 1995s are December birthdays, actually I am surprised many are younger 18s.


In my district December 1 is the cutoff, the December kids are in the correct grade. The other 1995 kids are held back. The PA, MA and MD kids are much older than the NY kids.



So I just looked at a school that shows birth year and month and wow!! I'm new to this whole age thing and my eyes are wide open. UNC has almost no player age appropriate. My guess is the bigger the lax school, the older the kids are. And I am also noticing more and more commitments are being phrased "do a pg yr and you're mine". Interesting.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think they are horribly old, several of the 1995s are December birthdays, actually I am surprised many are younger 18s.


In my district December 1 is the cutoff, the December kids are in the correct grade. The other 1995 kids are held back. The PA, MA and MD kids are much older than the NY kids.


FYI, in PA the cutoff for school is August 31, and MANY pre-K programs suggest holding back kids (especially boys) with summer birthdays, not for sports reason but for academic reasons. So naturally, many PA kids will be "older" that is how our system works
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think they are horribly old, several of the 1995s are December birthdays, actually I am surprised many are younger 18s.


In my district December 1 is the cutoff, the December kids are in the correct grade. The other 1995 kids are held back. The PA, MA and MD kids are much older than the NY kids.


And that's just Villanova. Not that Villanova is a bad lax school but let's face it, it's no ACC school. I bet kids are way older at the better lax schools.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 03:31 PM


So I just looked at a school that shows birth year and month and wow!! I'm new to this whole age thing and my eyes are wide open. UNC has almost no player age appropriate. My guess is the bigger the lax school, the older the kids are. And I am also noticing more and more commitments are being phrased "do a pg yr and you're mine". Interesting. [/quote]

That is pretty dumb. Why not tell the kid to come to UNC and pay own way for a red shirt first year, then get the 4 year grant in-aid for lacrosse. Don't get the love affair with one more year of prep school lacrosse. Being in a program like UNC for a year does more and gets Breschi what he wanted which is a kid one year older.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 04:08 PM

well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.



West Point has admissions criteria that are very high. UNC and most other scholarship lacrosse schools do not. When a kid offers to do a PG year or it is suggested, that is just a different version of redshirting. A kid who is not making C average in high school is not being recruited by even the UNCs anyways.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 06:02 PM

So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.


No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.



West Point has admissions criteria that are very high. UNC and most other scholarship lacrosse schools do not. When a kid offers to do a PG year or it is suggested, that is just a different version of redshirting. A kid who is not making C average in high school is not being recruited by even the UNCs anyways.


Not to mention all the military work the WP kids would have to do. They go from boys to men there pretty fast, I can tell you that!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.


No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.


They are doing PG so they can get a spot at UNC. Without the lax wouldn't be getting in
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So I just looked at a school that shows birth year and month and wow!! I'm new to this whole age thing and my eyes are wide open. UNC has almost no player age appropriate. My guess is the bigger the lax school, the older the kids are. And I am also noticing more and more commitments are being phrased "do a pg yr and you're mine". Interesting.


That is pretty dumb. Why not tell the kid to come to UNC and pay own way for a red shirt first year, then get the 4 year grant in-aid for lacrosse. Don't get the love affair with one more year of prep school lacrosse. Being in a program like UNC for a year does more and gets Breschi what he wanted which is a kid one year older. [/quote]



Talk about dumb. The point of asking potential kid to do pg is so the d1 lax coach doesn't use up a precious spot on a kid that is too young compares to the rest of that class and team for that matter.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.


No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.



You are misinformed. I know a kid that was offered a big chunk of athletic scholarship this year at a high level school. Maybe not all spots get $$ but the top 4 or 5 usually get min 25%
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/30/14 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.


No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.


They are doing PG so they can get a spot at UNC. Without the lax wouldn't be getting in


My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.



West Point has admissions criteria that are very high. UNC and most other scholarship lacrosse schools do not. When a kid offers to do a PG year or it is suggested, that is just a different version of redshirting. A kid who is not making C average in high school is not being recruited by even the UNCs anyways.


Not to mention all the military work the WP kids would have to do. They go from boys to men there pretty fast, I can tell you that!


WP is free plus an excellent start in life. Nothing against any other school mentioned but there is a payoff for the service academies if you son is willing and able. I think most have a prep school affiliated though, and they aren't 60K.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.



West Point has admissions criteria that are very high. UNC and most other scholarship lacrosse schools do not. When a kid offers to do a PG year or it is suggested, that is just a different version of redshirting. A kid who is not making C average in high school is not being recruited by even the UNCs anyways.


Not to mention all the military work the WP kids would have to do. They go from boys to men there pretty fast, I can tell you that!


WP is free plus an excellent start in life. Nothing against any other school mentioned but there is a payoff for the service academies if you son is willing and able. I think most have a prep school affiliated though, and they aren't 60K.


Well, I know all about west point, have family there. They have their own "pg" school on site, funded by taxpayers. The academy is very tough. Not the "college life" most boys have in mind. If you are the right type of kid, it's the best. Free education at a top institution plus you come out with 200g in bank and a job . Not too shabby. Campus beautiful too!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.



West Point has admissions criteria that are very high. UNC and most other scholarship lacrosse schools do not. When a kid offers to do a PG year or it is suggested, that is just a different version of redshirting. A kid who is not making C average in high school is not being recruited by even the UNCs anyways.


Not to mention all the military work the WP kids would have to do. They go from boys to men there pretty fast, I can tell you that!


WP is free plus an excellent start in life. Nothing against any other school mentioned but there is a payoff for the service academies if you son is willing and able. I think most have a prep school affiliated though, and they aren't 60K.


Many service academy athletes do a year at the Prep School - NAPS (Naval Academy Prep) or USMAPS (West Point Prep) It's free and it gets them acclimated to what they can expect as a midshipman or a cadet. It also prepares them academically if they might need some help in that area. Helps as an athlete too.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.


No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.


They are doing PG so they can get a spot at UNC. Without the lax wouldn't be getting in


My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.


Total BS. A full ride? Lol! Maybe Lyle Thompson but that's about it in division 1.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 03:55 AM

I'm thinking the only way a lacrosse player is getting a full ride is if it is need-based. I'm not sure how you develop a kid to be D1 material without $$$, if you don't make a decent amount the $5-10K per year it takes for team fees, travel and other athletic coaching would be rough. It would be a very special kid who could progress playing only the 15-18 HS games per season compared to the kid who plays an additional 25-35+ tourney games playing summer club and possibly more if they play fall ball.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 11:03 AM

Some schools have good sized endowments. Ivy, Patriot, Notre Dame, UVa, etc. Except for Ivy they are scholarship schools, and it is no big secret that if you are need based the financial aid is a better money solution to make it work. I am sure the coaches know what they are doing. Some may go feast or famine and offer four kids a year 70%+. Some like the ACC schools send the message that everyone is a top recruit and gets some money, so it is smaller % for each spot. And at Ivy schools it is just an admissions preference. The poster above made a good point that the only free rides for all are the service academies and its impressive the prep school year is free if needed. I think the initial question was why would a UNC 2017 who is told to be a 2018 to get a spot going to some $50K a year boarding school? Go to UNC and pay own way to have a redshirt year in the program.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.


No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.




They are doing PG so they can get a spot at UNC. Without the lax wouldn't be getting in


My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.

No way your son got 70% off tuition ATHLETICALLY!! It doesn't happen in lacrosse not even for the Rabils of the world. The best players get less than 10% and the rest get pennies.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 11:13 AM

Do you think maybe parents are exaggerating the % they repeat was offered to their son? A lot of kids get a proud parent brag scholarship as one assistant coach said. $1000 a year to say you are a scholarship athlete is worth a million to the parents and the kids. Some kids get a big % offer but most can't get much. 12.6 is all they have to give out.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 11:27 AM

Because maybe they can't get in without coaches spot.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 11:37 AM

List of top colleges with price tags if out of state:

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

My reactions as a parent of a 2017. Lots of lacrosse schools in the top 100. And they are really expensive. If you are from the state of NC or VA and go to those schools, great. If you are getting a 20% scholarship from out of state or from JHU or another private college, that hardly solves a working class family's problems paying for college. Some lacrosse schools are low regarded. High Point at #558, some like UMass are buried in the 200s. A degree even free from one of those not worth a lot in the real world. If my son went to an Ivy I'd pray for some love from those bazillion dollar endowments at the financial aid office.

Son, how about USNA or West Point? Love the cost: N/A !!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.


No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.




They are doing PG so they can get a spot at UNC. Without the lax wouldn't be getting in


My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.

No way your son got 70% off tuition ATHLETICALLY!! It doesn't happen in lacrosse not even for the Rabils of the world. The best players get less than 10% and the rest get pennies.


It happened! He was an early commit in a specialist position and known as one of the best in the country. All athletic money which is what we wanted because although he is a decent student, he probably would not qualify for academic money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 12:47 PM

There are definitely still a lot of kids that get big offers. Then there are some very smart, or some financially compromised individuals that get money through other means. There might be 25-30 kids in a team getting an athletic scholarship at a time. Divide that by the 12 scholarships and you can see the percentages can and are higher than you guys are thinking. (25%-50%) Then there are some offered more. You don't have to be Lyle Thompson!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 02:36 PM

My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.
[/quote]
No way your son got 70% off tuition ATHLETICALLY!! It doesn't happen in lacrosse not even for the Rabils of the world. The best players get less than 10% and the rest get pennies. [/quote]

It happened! He was an early commit in a specialist position and known as one of the best in the country. All athletic money which is what we wanted because although he is a decent student, he probably would not qualify for academic money. [/quote]

The only top 30 school on that list that has any known lacrosse commits is Duke and the only specialist position filled in is goalie. Nice way to intentionally brag not anonymously. Congratulations, now can we all move on?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.

No way your son got 70% off tuition ATHLETICALLY!! It doesn't happen in lacrosse not even for the Rabils of the world. The best players get less than 10% and the rest get pennies. [/quote]

It happened! He was an early commit in a specialist position and known as one of the best in the country. All athletic money which is what we wanted because although he is a decent student, he probably would not qualify for academic money. [/quote]

The only top 30 school on that list that has any known lacrosse commits is Duke and the only specialist position filled in is goalie. Nice way to intentionally brag not anonymously. Congratulations, now can we all move on? [/quote]

You can believe what you want, but it's true. Would love to tell you who he is but it's confidential. I'm just sharing that these offers do exist
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 03:28 PM

Yeah they exist. Nicky G got a full ride at UNC and at Cuse. You don't need to tell us who it is, you already did chump. Pretty low to come on this board and leak about goalie boy and then back off saying confidential once you got made. Now Go find a Maryland board to brag about it and feel better about yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
List of top colleges with price tags if out of state:

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

My reactions as a parent of a 2017. Lots of lacrosse schools in the top 100. And they are really expensive. If you are from the state of NC or VA and go to those schools, great. If you are getting a 20% scholarship from out of state or from JHU or another private college, that hardly solves a working class family's problems paying for college. Some lacrosse schools are low regarded. High Point at #558, some like UMass are buried in the 200s. A degree even free from one of those not worth a lot in the real world. If my son went to an Ivy I'd pray for some love from those bazillion dollar endowments at the financial aid office.

Son, how about USNA or West Point? Love the cost: N/A !!!!!!!


If you don't have a lot of money or have other kids in college the Ivys are actually very affordable. I have a nephew who went to Princeton and paid about 8-10K per year, his family is not rich but they make over 6 figures. He was not playing sports, of course his SATs were near perfect and he had over a 4.0.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
List of top colleges with price tags if out of state:

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

My reactions as a parent of a 2017. Lots of lacrosse schools in the top 100. And they are really expensive. If you are from the state of NC or VA and go to those schools, great. If you are getting a 20% scholarship from out of state or from JHU or another private college, that hardly solves a working class family's problems paying for college. Some lacrosse schools are low regarded. High Point at #558, some like UMass are buried in the 200s. A degree even free from one of those not worth a lot in the real world. If my son went to an Ivy I'd pray for some love from those bazillion dollar endowments at the financial aid office.

Just an observation here: Your on here mouthing off about different College's rankings. Placing presumed values on degrees from different schools and the like. I ask you? What school did you go to? You haven't even saved the money to fund your son's education, nor can you find the assets to pay for it now. You're on here praying that an Ivy will "GIVE" your son money. Sounds like a solid plan.


Son, how about USNA or West Point? Love the cost: N/A !!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah they exist. Nicky G got a full ride at UNC and at Cuse. You don't need to tell us who it is, you already did chump. Pretty low to come on this board and leak about goalie boy and then back off saying confidential once you got made. Now Go find a Maryland board to brag about it and feel better about yourself.


Nicky G isn't getting close to full at Cuse
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 03:44 PM

Why so angry! You people are nuts!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are definitely still a lot of kids that get big offers. Then there are some very smart, or some financially compromised individuals that get money through other means. There might be 25-30 kids in a team getting an athletic scholarship at a time. Divide that by the 12 scholarships and you can see the percentages can and are higher than you guys are thinking. (25%-50%) Then there are some offered more. You don't have to be Lyle Thompson!


D1 teams have 40-45 players on the roster and they all split the 12.6 scholarships.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 04:26 PM

Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 04:54 PM

The list of colleges showed a lot of high ranking ones that have D1 lacrosse. If a kid gets a full ride for lacrosse to one of them that is great. If you are not the special kid who gets 70% or more scholarship and left to pay $50K a year after a lacrosse scholarship that doesn't sound like a great plan to spend $7K a year flying my kid to the East Coast for tournaments and events. If my kid had a shot at an Ivy and our middle class family had some prayer for a lot of financial aid that sounds like a better plan than the one I got.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you think maybe parents are exaggerating the % they repeat was offered to their son? A lot of kids get a proud parent brag scholarship as one assistant coach said. $1000 a year to say you are a scholarship athlete is worth a million to the parents and the kids. Some kids get a big % offer but most can't get much. 12.6 is all they have to give out.
12.6 is if the program is fully funded. The average is about 20-25%. So some may get more, some less or none. I am trying to find the report I saw a few months ago that I think was put out by the NCAA. It showed the average athletic grant per program. If I remember correctly Marist and Jacksonville were the lowest at D-1. A little above $4,000. Most averaged between the 10,000-12,000 range. This was for lacrosse specifically but they had a report for each sport.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.


It sounded fair to me to rip this idiot.

Let's move onto something useful. We are a California family, and our son is an Ivy recruit. We were encouraged to fill in our details on this link:
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/

Your Estimated Princeton Aid Award

Based on the answers you provided on the Family Information Worksheet, we can give the following preliminary information about your financial aid eligibility at Princeton:

I. Princeton's Estimated Costs for 2014-2015

Tuition $41,820
Room 7,570
Board 6,050
Books and Personal Expenses 3,525
Travel 1,100
-------
Total Estimated Student Budget $60,065

II. Your Estimated Family Contribution

Parents' Contribution $6,100
Student's Expected Summer Savings 1,600
Student's Asset Contribution 30
-----
Total Estimated Family Contribution $7,730

III. Your Estimated Aid Package is $52,335

Grant Funds $49,435
Student Loans 0
Campus Job 2,900
------
Total Estimated Aid $52,335

$50K is a lot more than I would have hoped for given we are middle class.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 05:53 PM

Our Son was lucky enough to verbal to a strong Division 1 school a couple of months ago. Only three people know the offer. Myself, Wife ,and HS Coach. I get asked all the time, nobody needs to know.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 05:56 PM

The % changes every year, thats the key here. They get you in at 20% and the junior and senior year is 40 to 50%
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The % changes every year, thats the key here. They get you in at 20% and the junior and senior year is 40 to 50%


That depends on the school. My son's scholarship won't go down, but could go up based on his performance.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The % changes every year, thats the key here. They get you in at 20% and the junior and senior year is 40 to 50%


That depends on the school. My son's scholarship won't go down, but could go up based on his performance.


Same here. My son is a 2017 commit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 07:56 PM

That depends on the school. My son's scholarship won't go down, but could go up based on his performance. [/quote]

Same here. My son is a 2017 commit.

Most programs have kids quit or transfer so there is always money found that way.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.


It sounded fair to me to rip this idiot.

Let's move onto something useful. We are a California family, and our son is an Ivy recruit. We were encouraged to fill in our details on this link:
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/

Your Estimated Princeton Aid Award

Based on the answers you provided on the Family Information Worksheet, we can give the following preliminary information about your financial aid eligibility at Princeton:

I. Princeton's Estimated Costs for 2014-2015

Tuition $41,820
Room 7,570
Board 6,050
Books and Personal Expenses 3,525
Travel 1,100
-------
Total Estimated Student Budget $60,065

II. Your Estimated Family Contribution

Parents' Contribution $6,100
Student's Expected Summer Savings 1,600
Student's Asset Contribution 30
-----
Total Estimated Family Contribution $7,730

III. Your Estimated Aid Package is $52,335

Grant Funds $49,435
Student Loans 0
Campus Job 2,900
------
Total Estimated Aid $52,335

$50K is a lot more than I would have hoped for given we are middle class.


So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This country is just [lacrosse] backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 07/31/14 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.


It sounded fair to me to rip this idiot.

Let's move onto something useful. We are a California family, and our son is an Ivy recruit. We were encouraged to fill in our details on this link:
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/

Your Estimated Princeton Aid Award

Based on the answers you provided on the Family Information Worksheet, we can give the following preliminary information about your financial aid eligibility at Princeton:

I. Princeton's Estimated Costs for 2014-2015

Tuition $41,820
Room 7,570
Board 6,050
Books and Personal Expenses 3,525
Travel 1,100
-------
Total Estimated Student Budget $60,065

II. Your Estimated Family Contribution

Parents' Contribution $6,100
Student's Expected Summer Savings 1,600
Student's Asset Contribution 30
-----
Total Estimated Family Contribution $7,730

III. Your Estimated Aid Package is $52,335

Grant Funds $49,435
Student Loans 0
Campus Job 2,900
------
Total Estimated Aid $52,335

$50K is a lot more than I would have hoped for given we are middle class.


So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This country is just [lacrosse] backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.
That money comes from the endowment. Princeton has one of the biggest in the country. The alumni give back to the school. What is disgusting is that most schools raise tuition every year because they offer more money in federally subsidized loans as part of their financial aid package. If the kid defaults, the loans are backed by the federal government. The school already got paid for the tuition. Now the taxpayer has to pay for it. Just add it to the federal debt. Ok back to lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.


It sounded fair to me to rip this idiot.

Let's move onto something useful. We are a California family, and our son is an Ivy recruit. We were encouraged to fill in our details on this link:
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/

Your Estimated Princeton Aid Award

Based on the answers you provided on the Family Information Worksheet, we can give the following preliminary information about your financial aid eligibility at Princeton:

I. Princeton's Estimated Costs for 2014-2015

Tuition $41,820
Room 7,570
Board 6,050
Books and Personal Expenses 3,525
Travel 1,100
-------
Total Estimated Student Budget $60,065

II. Your Estimated Family Contribution

Parents' Contribution $6,100
Student's Expected Summer Savings 1,600
Student's Asset Contribution 30
-----
Total Estimated Family Contribution $7,730

III. Your Estimated Aid Package is $52,335

Grant Funds $49,435
Student Loans 0
Campus Job 2,900
------
Total Estimated Aid $52,335

$50K is a lot more than I would have hoped for given we are middle class.


So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This country is just [lacrosse] backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.
That money comes from the endowment. Princeton has one of the biggest in the country. The alumni give back to the school. What is disgusting is that most schools raise tuition every year because they offer more money in federally subsidized loans as part of their financial aid package. If the kid defaults, the loans are backed by the federal government. The school already got paid for the tuition. Now the taxpayer has to pay for it. Just add it to the federal debt. Ok back to lacrosse. [/quote

That endowment is allowed to grow tax free, hence the rest of us are helping to fund the schools "good deeds". They also pay zero taxes on every nickel they take in. Make no mistake, it is at the tax payers expense. As well as at the expense of families who are hard working and financially responsible. They just happen to be one in the same.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 01:39 AM

So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting. [/quote]

Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 01:51 AM

Taxpayers are affected by some college's endowment? Ummm, no. The cash I donate to my school is deductable like any other donation. College endowments do pay capital gains on investment income. These schools are basically private clubs that can do what they want with the money fed in by alums.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.


Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators. [/quote]

No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.


Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.


No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right? [/quote]

Great post! What goes on is disgusting!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 11:50 AM

I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.


Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.


No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right?


Great post! What goes on is disgusting! [/quote]

I think it is great that schools like Princeton have alumni that want to help send the best of the best to school. To be the best means you DO WORK YOUR [lacrosse] OFF and there is a reward at the end. Just because you worked hard and it paid off, does not mean it does for everyone. What about the blue collar worker that works 80 hours a week, and yet cannot afford to pay for three kids to go to college such as Princeton? Does this guy not work hard? Yet, if his kid works hard, like he does, there is a reward- endowments, scholarships aid, to help his three kids get into the best school they can make. My son wants to go to Princeton. I told him no- we cannot afford a school as such. Then we did learn about the various ways Princeton and some other big name schools help out the students, far more so than other schools. My son is not yet in HS- yet his aspirations are HIGH and he works round the clock on his academics, and travel sports teams. I would love to see my son land in one of these type of schools where they are rewarded for their hard work to get there. And yes, like a previous poster said, half of it may luck or connections in being successful. Good luck to you and your son.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 01:24 PM

2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 01:42 PM

Lacrosse is 90% mental, the other half is physical.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 01:52 PM

2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 02:41 PM

navy is impressive, [lacrosse] with lacrosse this boy is going to defend the country.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.


Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.


No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right?


Great post! What goes on is disgusting!


I think it is great that schools like Princeton have alumni that want to help send the best of the best to school. To be the best means you DO WORK YOUR [lacrosse] OFF and there is a reward at the end. Just because you worked hard and it paid off, does not mean it does for everyone. What about the blue collar worker that works 80 hours a week, and yet cannot afford to pay for three kids to go to college such as Princeton? Does this guy not work hard? Yet, if his kid works hard, like he does, there is a reward- endowments, scholarships aid, to help his three kids get into the best school they can make. My son wants to go to Princeton. I told him no- we cannot afford a school as such. Then we did learn about the various ways Princeton and some other big name schools help out the students, far more so than other schools. My son is not yet in HS- yet his aspirations are HIGH and he works round the clock on his academics, and travel sports teams. I would love to see my son land in one of these type of schools where they are rewarded for their hard work to get there. And yes, like a previous poster said, half of it may luck or connections in being successful. Good luck to you and your son. [/quote]

Your so dumb, its mind numbing. If there weren't different prices for different people the price would be about $15-20k a year. Those paying full price would not have to subsidize those going for free... Get it now?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 02:50 PM

Didn't the Outlaw 2017 Team lose to the Team 91 Extreme 2018 this year at JDF???
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 02:59 PM

Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 03:03 PM




Without the Gladiator group that came over this Team would have be average. They beat TB once, and then lost to them two weeks later. Who else did they beat?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.


Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.


No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right?


Great post! What goes on is disgusting!


I think it is great that schools like Princeton have alumni that want to help send the best of the best to school. To be the best means you DO WORK YOUR [lacrosse] OFF and there is a reward at the end. Just because you worked hard and it paid off, does not mean it does for everyone. What about the blue collar worker that works 80 hours a week, and yet cannot afford to pay for three kids to go to college such as Princeton? Does this guy not work hard? Yet, if his kid works hard, like he does, there is a reward- endowments, scholarships aid, to help his three kids get into the best school they can make. My son wants to go to Princeton. I told him no- we cannot afford a school as such. Then we did learn about the various ways Princeton and some other big name schools help out the students, far more so than other schools. My son is not yet in HS- yet his aspirations are HIGH and he works round the clock on his academics, and travel sports teams. I would love to see my son land in one of these type of schools where they are rewarded for their hard work to get there. And yes, like a previous poster said, half of it may luck or connections in being successful. Good luck to you and your son.


Your so dumb, its mind numbing. If there weren't different prices for different people the price would be about $15-20k a year. Those paying full price would not have to subsidize those going for free... Get it now? [/quote]

a blue collar family earning 60-70k could afford $20/k tuition. so there would always have to be financial assistance unless only catering to the wealthy. Schools like Princeton have huge endowments paid for by the generosity of their alumni many of whom benefited from such assistance when they were in school. to refer to this is disgusting or imply the taxpayers subsidize is ignorant. btw i'm a different poster than one you called dumb
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.


Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.


No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new I think it is great that schools like Princeton have alumni that want to help send the best of the best to school. To be the best means you DO WORK YOUR [lacrosse] OFF and there is a reward at the end. Just because you worked hard and it paid off, does not mean it does for everyone. What about the blue collar worker that works 80 hours a week, and yet cannot afford to pay for three kids to go to college such as Princeton? Does this guy not work hard? Yet, if his kid works hard, like he does, there is a reward- endowments, scholarships aid, to help his three kids get into the best school they can make. My son wants to go to Princeton. I told him no- we cannot afford a school as such. Then we did learn about the various ways Princeton and some other big name schools help out the students, far more so than other schools. My son is not yet in HS- yet his aspirations are HIGH and he works round the clock on his academics, and travel sports teams. I would love to see my son land in one of these type of schools where they are rewarded for their hard work to get there. And yes, like a previous poster said, half of it may luck or connections in being successful. Good luck to you and your son.


Your so dumb, its mind numbing. If there weren't different prices for different people the price would be about $15-20k a year. Those paying full price would not have to subsidize those going for free... Get it now?


You're an idiot. Who cares if Princeton has a price tag of $60,000 or even $200,000 a year and indexes it down by income. Tuition indexing is fairly common among private colleges and at some prep schools, and what happens is people pay what the computer says they can afford. Sons or daughters of school teachers or mid-level white collar workers can be perfect kids at what they do and deserve their shot. What is wrong with that? I think it is admirable that some colleges say we want the best and the brightest students and future leaders and will grant kids who qualify. That sounds like a strategy to get the best and brightest like President Obama or President Clinton from where they came, not a subsidy. A subsidy is admissions spots and need based grants going to kids who are not necessarily the best or brightest, like lacrosse players. Parents like you should be grateful that Ivy schools consider recruited athletes to be worth exceptions.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 03:50 PM

This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country. [/quote]

We all pay Federal, local and property taxes and more if we are lucky to make more, that is nothing special. Looking for a handout, you mean like looking for a lacrosse grant in aid to help pay for your kid's college? That sounds like a handout to some kids who get perfect grades and scores who don't have a coach schilling them in and giving athletic money which is a hand out. What you call a pity case is pretty pathetic. If some private colleges can afford to hand out lots of academic aid and scholarships that seems like a private institution making a private decision that you should not care less about.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 03:53 PM

There are plenty of top players left.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous



Without the Gladiator group that came over this Team would have be average. They beat TB once, and then lost to them two weeks later. Who else did they beat?


True Blue, NXT (who beat 91, Express), beat fl$, didnt play 91/Express. Beat Team Carolina, BBL, Laxachusetts Black, LB3 Atl, Express Terps 2018, West Islip Varsity, and Im sure a few other that my kid wasnt playing in that tournament. Very happy with this team. And there were a few gladiators that came over, a few kids from other teams, and a lot of kids that were on the team for years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 05:09 PM

Lost to the 2018 Team 91. Can't lose to younger teams. No matter how good they are.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 05:20 PM

That game vs the younger 91 team wasn't even close for the Outlaws. I think a few Outlaw players will be at the the new Rotanz try out.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous



Without the Gladiator group that came over this Team would have be average. They beat TB once, and then lost to them two weeks later. Who else did they beat?


True Blue, NXT (who beat 91, Express), beat fl$, didnt play 91/Express. Beat Team Carolina, BBL, Laxachusetts Black, LB3 Atl, Express Terps 2018, West Islip Varsity, and Im sure a few other that my kid wasnt playing in that tournament. Very happy with this team. And there were a few gladiators that came over, a few kids from other teams, and a lot of kids that were on the team for years.


Heard they are getting BIG names to come over, and could give you 91 reasons why they will, but too busy now, maybe later. GO Outlaws
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lost to the 2018 Team 91. Can't lose to younger teams. No matter how good they are.

Was Not Top team, was white Team, They had 3 Teams last year, Good try , 2017 Outlaws are going to be nasty this fall and next summer
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.


I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lost to the 2018 Team 91. Can't lose to younger teams. No matter how good they are.


That wasn't Outlaws A team...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 07:21 PM

My son has played against several of the guys on the Villanova list this past year. I guarantee their age has nothing to do with why they were recruited. Neither kid was more mature they could just flat out play.

If you want to play at the D1 level. You need to be able to prove you can play well against older kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lost to the 2018 Team 91. Can't lose to younger teams. No matter how good they are.

Was Not Top team, was white Team, They had 3 Teams last year, Good try , 2017 Outlaws are going to be nasty this fall and next summer


None of this matters anymore. Its all about the kids getting recruited at this point. Just take a look around, all the supposed "top" teams are concentrating on other things, winning means nothing. Its all about the exposure at this point.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 07:44 PM

My son received an invite to the TOP205 fall showcase. Ive heard mixed reviews about it, anyone have any input? I heard last year there were too many kids and hardly any coaches? Since it looks like you have to be in the mafia to get a Philly Showcase invite this seems like a decent alternative. Any intelligent input welcome......
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 08:11 PM

No way, That Outlaw Team that lost to the Team 91 2018 at JDF was the A Team. No doubt. Check again.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.



Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 08:13 PM



Outlaw Black A TEAM. Lost to Team 91 Extreme.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.


I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.


Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


Outlaw Black A TEAM. Lost to Team 91 Extreme.


It was a combo team, not the A team.

Like a previous poster stated it is about recruiting at this age and playing in competitive tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 09:32 PM

I believe the Top 205 Fall is poor. A few D3 Schools.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



Kid is not Duke material, will never see the field! Have fun riding bench!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



How many goals, what team, don't ever remember seeing any of his stats in Newsday or MSG?? Who is he?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.


I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.


Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.


I am Elmer J. Fudd Millionaire, I own a Mansion and a Yacht!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.


I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.


Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.


My did fought in WWII also, he had the GI bill, was that a handout? Then he died when I was young so I had Social Security (another handout I guess). I always had a job that paid a little and got good grades, but it was not nearly enough. Thank God that I got plenty of handouts to go to college and I believe that being highly taxed now is how we pay it forward. The American Way.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.



Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.
Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



How many goals, what team, don't ever remember seeing any of his stats in Newsday or MSG?? Who is he?


Hills west. Led the team in points
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



How many goals, what team, don't ever remember seeing any of his stats in Newsday or MSG?? Who is he?


Hills west. Led the team in points


Impressive for a freshman, if that's true he is deserving. HW was a good team. How come I never saw anything in the press about him?
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/01/14 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



How many goals, what team, don't ever remember seeing any of his stats in Newsday or MSG?? Who is he?


Hills west. Led the team in points


LOL, thanks to DADDY.
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



Kid is not Duke material, will never see the field! Have fun riding bench!


He gets to go to DUKE!!!! Sign me up!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 12:43 AM

3 Words

DUKE

LACROSSE

SCANDAL
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



Kid is not Duke material, will never see the field! Have fun riding bench!


He gets to go to DUKE!!!! Sign me up!


You grown men know you are commenting on a 15-year old? I'm sure the Duke coach knows more than you about recruiting. Good luck to him and his family. I have no idea who he is, but believe it or not some talented kids don't get press for one reason or another.

I feel sorry for your children.
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



Kid is not Duke material, will never see the field! Have fun riding bench!
Yet apparently Danowski seems to think he is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.


I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.


Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.


Right, you started a business that created high paying jobs...Any of the jobs your created capable of paying $50k per year in college tuition. How may of those do you have? 98% of the country wants one...


Maybe instead of telling us how hard you worked, tell the people who need it how to get a job at your company. Please.....

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



Kid is not Duke material, will never see the field! Have fun riding bench!
Yet apparently Danowski seems to think he is.

prob no 91 connection. wait what club does Caputo's kids play for?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.


I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.


Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.


Right, you started a business that created high paying jobs...Any of the jobs your created capable of paying $50k per year in college tuition. How may of those do you have? 98% of the country wants one...


Maybe instead of telling us how hard you worked, tell the people who need it how to get a job at your company. Please.....



You don't need to spend $50k a year on education, read todays WSJ. Article shows how people are getting an education for far, far less. Keep in mind, only 30% of HS seniors go on to any college nationally. It doesn't take much to figure it out. 2 years at Suffolk or Nassau, $8,000 total. Get good grades and transfer to Stony Brook, Geneseo or Binghampton. $18k a year all in. Total cost for 4 year degree $44k. Better yet, live at home and finish up at Stony Brook, $16k for two years. $24k total for a great undergrad degree. Again, get good grades, get a job and have the company pay for your masters at NYU or Columbia. Great education for pennies on the dollar. Stop being a victim, it can and is being done.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.


I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.


Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.


My did fought in WWII also, he had the GI bill, was that a handout? Then he died when I was young so I had Social Security (another handout I guess). I always had a job that paid a little and got good grades, but it was not nearly enough. Thank God that I got plenty of handouts to go to college and I believe that being highly taxed now is how we pay it forward. The American Way.


If you want to compare the GI Bill, and SS death benefit to $50k a year in free education for kids of parents who make 6 figures that's fine, I'm sorry I don't see the correlation. I never said we shouldn't have a basic safety net. You are confused at best. And no, the American way is not to tax highly compensated people at ridiculous levels. That is called socialism. You ever ask yourself? Where is all this money going? Why are all these social problems that this money was supposed to help continuing to be an issue? The war on poverty? The great society. WE'RE 17 Trillion in debt and no amount of trillions will ever change things. Sorry, try again.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 08:50 AM

If the recent Duke commit lead his team in points, was ha named an all county player?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
3 Words

DUKE

LACROSSE

SCANDAL


This might be the stupidest post I have ever seen on these forums. 3 words: Your'e a moron!

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.



Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.
Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.


Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.




Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.



Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.
Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.


Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.






2018 parent here:

What were the best Fall Tournaments for the 2017 group last year? Please rank? Anyone do Quakerfest?

Also, other than Freshman Philly Showcase, what were the best showcases, and why? Thanks in advance.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 07:07 PM

HHHW Attack was All County as a Freshman.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 07:17 PM

Stay away from top 205, get into Philly Showcase.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 07:19 PM

UNC Freshman Camp in January is highly attended.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 07:48 PM

Just about 100 2017 Boys according to Inside Lacrosse have commits.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 07:51 PM

Quaker Fest #1
Philly Showcase team #2
Uplax Cottle Legacey all good
SWR best High School only Tournament
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/02/14 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.



Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.
Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.


Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.


Easy there guy, I'm not faulting or judging the kid or his parents. I am not from the WM community, but I do respect their program. Being runner-up at the National High School Lacrosse Tournament is impressive to me. They played and beat some of the top schools in the country. I think the competition was pretty high there. Some of the other tournaments, not so much but they seemed to play well. I see that a few 2016's and 2017's have already committed from their program. I don't know if these kids played club as well.
You seem to have hostility toward the WM summer program and it may be justified- I don't know. I just asked if this particular boy didn't participate with Patriot Elite at all and just did club instead. I am just curious if that was the case and I respect that it should be his decision to make. I ask not to start anything but just because my kid plays for a WM rival that has a similar summer program and philosophy- you can play club as well but never choose the club over the school program. As far as I know, nobody has done this in our program yet, but I can see it on the horizon. Again congrats to Andrew no matter who he played for.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/03/14 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.



Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.
Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.


Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.


Easy there guy, I'm not faulting or judging the kid or his parents. I am not from the WM community, but I do respect their program. Being runner-up at the National High School Lacrosse Tournament is impressive to me. They played and beat some of the top schools in the country. I think the competition was pretty high there. Some of the other tournaments, not so much but they seemed to play well. I see that a few 2016's and 2017's have already committed from their program. I don't know if these kids played club as well.
You seem to have hostility toward the WM summer program and it may be justified- I don't know. I just asked if this particular boy didn't participate with Patriot Elite at all and just did club instead. I am just curious if that was the case and I respect that it should be his decision to make. I ask not to start anything but just because my kid plays for a WM rival that has a similar summer program and philosophy- you can play club as well but never choose the club over the school program. As far as I know, nobody has done this in our program yet, but I can see it on the horizon. Again congrats to Andrew no matter who he played for.


That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/03/14 12:59 PM

Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.


Easy there guy, I'm not faulting or judging the kid or his parents. I am not from the WM community, but I do respect their program. Being runner-up at the National High School Lacrosse Tournament is impressive to me. They played and beat some of the top schools in the country. I think the competition was pretty high there. Some of the other tournaments, not so much but they seemed to play well. I see that a few 2016's and 2017's have already committed from their program. I don't know if these kids played club as well.
You seem to have hostility toward the WM summer program and it may be justified- I don't know. I just asked if this particular boy didn't participate with Patriot Elite at all and just did club instead. I am just curious if that was the case and I respect that it should be his decision to make. I ask not to start anything but just because my kid plays for a WM rival that has a similar summer program and philosophy- you can play club as well but never choose the club over the school program. As far as I know, nobody has done this in our program yet, but I can see it on the horizon. Again congrats to Andrew no matter who he played for.

another hater of WM summer program.this kid didnt pick a club over Patriot Elite. He played both. When a conflict arose, he played for school program. This club does a great job of working with kids who have a HS summer team as well. The reference to coercion intimidation ? show proof that this has ever happened? The Patriot Elite Varsity Green team had a great summer, played great competition....and without the 2 raising sr. stars. Basically had no star player but a lot of team players, fun to watch & playing almost 25 games this summer, makes for a exciting 2015 spring varsity season!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/03/14 01:12 PM

That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
lol.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/03/14 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
lol.


There is no way you can accurately compare summer ball the varsity season. Many players don't play on summer teams for one reason or another. I was there and all the kids my son was looking forward to playing on the top teams were not there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/03/14 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stay away from top 205, get into Philly Showcase.


You make it sound so easy.....second year my son has applied and no dice. He plays for a good club team and we live in a LI powerhouse school program. seems to me they are extremely tight with the spots they give out. Phone calls need to made, etc.....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/03/14 08:02 PM

What was the issue with 205?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/03/14 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.



Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.
Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.


Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.


Easy there guy, I'm not faulting or judging the kid or his parents. I am not from the WM community, but I do respect their program. Being runner-up at the National High School Lacrosse Tournament is impressive to me. They played and beat some of the top schools in the country. I think the competition was pretty high there. Some of the other tournaments, not so much but they seemed to play well. I see that a few 2016's and 2017's have already committed from their program. I don't know if these kids played club as well.
You seem to have hostility toward the WM summer program and it may be justified- I don't know. I just asked if this particular boy didn't participate with Patriot Elite at all and just did club instead. I am just curious if that was the case and I respect that it should be his decision to make. I ask not to start anything but just because my kid plays for a WM rival that has a similar summer program and philosophy- you can play club as well but never choose the club over the school program. As far as I know, nobody has done this in our program yet, but I can see it on the horizon. Again congrats to Andrew no matter who he played for.


Sorry, thought you were the same guy who took a shot at the Outlaws and the coach. I have no hostility towards the WM Summer Program. I do however feel the need to chime in Vs the contingent of V3 parents who want everyone to do as they say they should do. Also, you brought up the Gold Team but then referenced the Green Team Tournaments. It was a 3V parent who implied that the Outlaws had nothing to do with the recruiting process. The fact is, many Ward Melville boys felt the need to go to an outside club. Why?? Everyone wants to play for Ward Melville during the school year but some realize that there are alternatives during the off season and some play both.

The way that you stated: "I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team." sounded to me that there might be some type of fall out if the boys chose to play for an outside club. Which is why I brought up the coercion and intimidation.

I have not seen the HS coaches at WM punish anyone for playing club.

I guess how impressive the summer was depends upon you define impressive. The fact is that neither team enters the top recruiting tournaments and neither team played the best competition. Good summer for both teams and good for the boys. But, the reality is that many of the boys and their families recognize that The Outlaws and other clubs can help in both the development and recruiting process. Good for the ones who take advantage of the opportunities that are out there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/03/14 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
lol.


A total joke. No quality coaches there at all! Many games without a single coach at what was billed as a showcase! Who would plan a tournament like that the same week as UA?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/03/14 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was the issue with 205?


I keep asking the same question and no one seems to have an answer. I heard last fall the camp was way overcrowded with kids and hardly any college coaches. Its pricey at $400; for that money it better be worth it. Ive been trying to get some feedback but so far no one has come forward with any input.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/04/14 03:33 AM

Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/04/14 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...


And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/04/14 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
lol.


A total joke. No quality coaches there at all! Many games without a single coach at what was billed as a showcase! Who would plan a tournament like that the same week as UA?


Which tournament are you guys talking about?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/04/14 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Outlaw Black A TEAM. Lost to Team 91 Extreme.


It was a combo team, not the A team.

Like a previous poster stated it is about recruiting at this age and playing in competitive tournaments.


Correct on both counts but on the Outlaws A team, there were 35 boys on the roster so when you say combo team, does that mean players on the roster other than the top 15 got playing time? All about exposure. If your son gets a spot on this team, make sure you speak in advance about playing time. The coach is all about winning. If it is a close game, there will be no goalie swith and no attack switch.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/04/14 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...


And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.
That is true of all of the kids committed. More than 50% of the public commits on Inside Lacrosse are a year older. Not comlaining, just the reality in the recruiting game at this point.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/04/14 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...


And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.
That is true of all of the kids committed. More than 50% of the public commits on Inside Lacrosse are a year older. Not comlaining, just the reality in the recruiting game at this point.


Not the Long Island D1commits. Looks like just about all of them are ON AGE. Look at FCA team with the Turtle players, or the fl$ attack man he was in Denver also. Need proof of ages for the u15 event that just happened.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/04/14 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...


And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.
That is true of all of the kids committed. More than 50% of the public commits on Inside Lacrosse are a year older. Not comlaining, just the reality in the recruiting game at this point.


How do you know they are older? No birthdays are listed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/05/14 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...


And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.


Where are you getting this data from? Or is this a purely anecdotal statement?

I personally know more than half of the D commits. And all are age appropriate. 2 that I don't know personally are in fact reclassified. (The Long Island D commits are age appropriate as well)

Where is the "good percentage" then? Please elaborate.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/05/14 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
lol.


The only people who would consider this a competitive tournament are the parents of boys who have not been to the more competitive tournaments. I don't want to pick on the event but have to challenge those who say it was high caliber tournament. It was not. if you do not want to believe a random poster on this forum go ask "a 2015 or 2016 player" who plays on a top club team who also went to this event. Ask if this was the best competition of the summer. Also ask what events had more college coaches in attendance.

There is no way you can accurately compare summer ball the varsity season. Many players don't play on summer teams for one reason or another. I was there and all the kids my son was looking forward to playing on the top teams were not there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/05/14 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stay away from top 205, get into Philly Showcase.


You make it sound so easy.....second year my son has applied and no dice. He plays for a good club team and we live in a LI powerhouse school program. seems to me they are extremely tight with the spots they give out. Phone calls need to made, etc.....


This is where your Travel organization must help. Placement in the key showcases is important. Nike, Mav Showtime, Philly.




Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/05/14 12:29 PM

With all the thousand of dollars spent on the private organization they owe you a spot in one of the elite showcases. They might not have the clout now that the pressure is on them?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/05/14 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
With all the thousand of dollars spent on the private organization they owe you a spot in one of the elite showcases. They might not have the clout now that the pressure is on them?


I'm learning that lesson now... Top two or three players on competitive A team should be able to get into the top showcases. I'm learning some organizations just don't have that clout.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/05/14 01:19 PM

The only people who would consider this a competitive tournament are the parents of boys who have not been to the more competitive tournaments. I don't want to pick on the event but have to challenge those who say it was high caliber tournament. It was not. if you do not want to believe a random poster on this forum go ask "a 2015 or 2016 player" who plays on a top club team who also went to this event. Ask if this was the best competition of the summer. Also ask what events had more college coaches in attendance.

I think there are 2 issues here, was it a competitive tourney & the # of college coaches in attendance. The poster indicated that it was far from a joke from a competition stand point. Many well known HS teams. I was there & saw some great lacrosse! The poster did not say it was the best competition of the summer, & btw, if your saying it wasn't, what was your son's team record at this event? was your kid scoring 5g's a game? As far as the coaches in attendance, way-off...no doubt
cant argue that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/05/14 02:38 PM

2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/05/14 02:39 PM

The only people who would consider this a competitive tournament are the parents of boys who have not been to the more competitive tournaments. I don't want to pick on the event but have to challenge those who say it was high caliber tournament. It was not. if you do not want to believe a random poster on this forum go ask "a 2015 or 2016 player" who plays on a top club team who also went to this event. Ask if this was the best competition of the summer. Also ask what events had more college coaches in attendance.

I just went on the National Showcase website looks like a pretty good showing of college coaches....are the program directors fabricating coaches in attendance? interesting.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/05/14 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

My son is a 2017 and we just finished up this summer and it is definitely a gauntlet. There are several big time showcases and several second tier showcases you should consider doing. Be realistic about where your son is at or you will wind up wasting a ton of money. If you believe your son is ready to get looked at, start sending out emails to the coaches of the schools your son is interested in.

The list of showcases (IMHO)

Fall:

Philly Showcase. Hard to get in, but well worth it.

Jake Reed Fall showcase. Again, hard to get in.

Winter:

3d Blue Chip. A play in camp for Jake Reed summer.

Spring/Summer:

Adrenaline Black Card. Among the best. First class all the way. Loaded with D1 coaches.

Maverick Showtime. Probably the premier showcase out there right now.

Jake Reed summer. Again, top notch.

Top205: Ive heard mixed reviews, lower D1, upper D2-D3 coaches in attendance.

Blue Chip 225: Lot of upper D3, some top D1. Nicely run camp up at Bryant.

Based on what club team you play for you might be attending some showcase tournaments as well.

Top Tourneys (IMHO)

Crabfeast. Top competition. D1 Coaches everywhere.

Adrenaline Platinum. Great event, D1 coaches everywhere.

fl$ in 3d. Great tourney. Poorly run this year from a parking standpoint but a lot of coaches and top competition.

Im sure Im missing some but this is my list. Word of advice, dont do too much, you will burn him out. Do one or two showcases and whatever tourneys your club team is doing. You have plenty of time, hes only a 2018. Everyone is panicking but the reality is that most kids get recruited going into their junior or senior years.

Good luck and enjoy the journey, you only do it once.


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/05/14 04:38 PM

wow that was great info Thank you for taking the time and sharing your experience.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/05/14 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...


And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.


Where are you getting this data from? Or is this a purely anecdotal statement?

I personally know more than half of the D commits. And all are age appropriate. 2 that I don't know personally are in fact reclassified. (The Long Island D commits are age appropriate as well)

Where is the "good percentage" then? Please elaborate.


There are more than 10 D commits. I realize that the Long Island commits are age appropriate, but they seem to be the only ones. Check out Toplaxrecruits.com and look at the 2017 commits. .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/05/14 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

My son is a 2017 and we just finished up this summer and it is definitely a gauntlet. There are several big time showcases and several second tier showcases you should consider doing. Be realistic about where your son is at or you will wind up wasting a ton of money. If you believe your son is ready to get looked at, start sending out emails to the coaches of the schools your son is interested in.

The list of showcases (IMHO)

Fall:

Philly Showcase. Hard to get in, but well worth it.

Jake Reed Fall showcase. Again, hard to get in.

Winter:

3d Blue Chip. A play in camp for Jake Reed summer.

Spring/Summer:

Adrenaline Black Card. Among the best. First class all the way. Loaded with D1 coaches.

Maverick Showtime. Probably the premier showcase out there right now.

Jake Reed summer. Again, top notch.

Top205: Ive heard mixed reviews, lower D1, upper D2-D3 coaches in attendance.

Blue Chip 225: Lot of upper D3, some top D1. Nicely run camp up at Bryant.

Based on what club team you play for you might be attending some showcase tournaments as well.

Top Tourneys (IMHO)

Crabfeast. Top competition. D1 Coaches everywhere.

Adrenaline Platinum. Great event, D1 coaches everywhere.

fl$ in 3d. Great tourney. Poorly run this year from a parking standpoint but a lot of coaches and top competition.

Im sure Im missing some but this is my list. Word of advice, dont do too much, you will burn him out. Do one or two showcases and whatever tourneys your club team is doing. You have plenty of time, hes only a 2018. Everyone is panicking but the reality is that most kids get recruited going into their junior or senior years.

Good luck and enjoy the journey, you only do it once.




Wow, what a great/thoughtful response. Exactly what this site should be about rather the non-stop bashing and trashing that goes on.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/05/14 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

My son is a 2017 and we just finished up this summer and it is definitely a gauntlet. There are several big time showcases and several second tier showcases you should consider doing. Be realistic about where your son is at or you will wind up wasting a ton of money. If you believe your son is ready to get looked at, start sending out emails to the coaches of the schools your son is interested in.

The list of showcases (IMHO)

Fall:

Philly Showcase. Hard to get in, but well worth it.

Jake Reed Fall showcase. Again, hard to get in.

Winter:

3d Blue Chip. A play in camp for Jake Reed summer.

Spring/Summer:

Adrenaline Black Card. Among the best. First class all the way. Loaded with D1 coaches.

Maverick Showtime. Probably the premier showcase out there right now.

Jake Reed summer. Again, top notch.

Top205: Ive heard mixed reviews, lower D1, upper D2-D3 coaches in attendance.

Blue Chip 225: Lot of upper D3, some top D1. Nicely run camp up at Bryant.

Based on what club team you play for you might be attending some showcase tournaments as well.

Top Tourneys (IMHO)

Crabfeast. Top competition. D1 Coaches everywhere.

Adrenaline Platinum. Great event, D1 coaches everywhere.

fl$ in 3d. Great tourney. Poorly run this year from a parking standpoint but a lot of coaches and top competition.

Im sure Im missing some but this is my list. Word of advice, dont do too much, you will burn him out. Do one or two showcases and whatever tourneys your club team is doing. You have plenty of time, hes only a 2018. Everyone is panicking but the reality is that most kids get recruited going into their junior or senior years.

Good luck and enjoy the journey, you only do it once.




Wow, what a great/thoughtful response. Exactly what this site should be about rather the non-stop bashing and trashing that goes on.


Was just going to write the same thing!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/05/14 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

My son is a 2017 and we just finished up this summer and it is definitely a gauntlet. There are several big time showcases and several second tier showcases you should consider doing. Be realistic about where your son is at or you will wind up wasting a ton of money. If you believe your son is ready to get looked at, start sending out emails to the coaches of the schools your son is interested in.

The list of showcases (IMHO)

Fall:

Philly Showcase. Hard to get in, but well worth it.

Jake Reed Fall showcase. Again, hard to get in.

Winter:

3d Blue Chip. A play in camp for Jake Reed summer.

Spring/Summer:

Adrenaline Black Card. Among the best. First class all the way. Loaded with D1 coaches.

Maverick Showtime. Probably the premier showcase out there right now.

Jake Reed summer. Again, top notch.

Top205: Ive heard mixed reviews, lower D1, upper D2-D3 coaches in attendance.

Blue Chip 225: Lot of upper D3, some top D1. Nicely run camp up at Bryant.

Based on what club team you play for you might be attending some showcase tournaments as well.

Top Tourneys (IMHO)

Crabfeast. Top competition. D1 Coaches everywhere.

Adrenaline Platinum. Great event, D1 coaches everywhere.

fl$ in 3d. Great tourney. Poorly run this year from a parking standpoint but a lot of coaches and top competition.

Im sure Im missing some but this is my list. Word of advice, dont do too much, you will burn him out. Do one or two showcases and whatever tourneys your club team is doing. You have plenty of time, hes only a 2018. Everyone is panicking but the reality is that most kids get recruited going into their junior or senior years.

Good luck and enjoy the journey, you only do it once.




Good advice given up there and the order of significance is spot on also.
Just went through it as well and agree about the parking debacle!!

Jake reed going into 9th grade wasn't as attended by D1 coaches as it was for rising sophs this summer.

Philly showcase is the true early indicator. Get into the fab40 all star game and your coach's phone will be ringing off of the hook.

The part about writing letters to coaches is a gray area. Some coaches may read them and most are ambivalent about them. The scouts are out there. They have particular needs and rolls to fill that all end up with great players but their MO of obtaining them and contacting varies greatly.

I was actually told by one very high level D1 coach that he deletes all emails requesting that he come to such and such tournaments to watch s and so player. These guys are and have been analyzing your kid's team already if it's an elite team and are culling out the kids they have an interest in.

Now that the "horror" of recruiting 9th graders has been somewhat desensitized; I imagine that this next group of 9th graders will be even more aggressively pursued.

Beg borrow and or steal and get into the showcases mentioned. Not only your club coach can make recommendations for these (HS, private coaches and friends who know directors....). It can become a "who you know " situation so get on it ASAP.

Bottom line is: if the kid has talent; they will find him sooner or later. There are a lot of spots to fill so don't get overwhelmed. Enjoy watching the games and keep it fun for your kid. They generate their own amount of tension through the process so try not to add to it. Just keep him in the game mentally and enjoy the experience together.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/06/14 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

My son is a 2017 and we just finished up this summer and it is definitely a gauntlet. There are several big time showcases and several second tier showcases you should consider doing. Be realistic about where your son is at or you will wind up wasting a ton of money. If you believe your son is ready to get looked at, start sending out emails to the coaches of the schools your son is interested in.

The list of showcases (IMHO)

Fall:

Philly Showcase. Hard to get in, but well worth it.

Jake Reed Fall showcase. Again, hard to get in.

Winter:

3d Blue Chip. A play in camp for Jake Reed summer.

Spring/Summer:

Adrenaline Black Card. Among the best. First class all the way. Loaded with D1 coaches.

Maverick Showtime. Probably the premier showcase out there right now.

Jake Reed summer. Again, top notch.

Top205: Ive heard mixed reviews, lower D1, upper D2-D3 coaches in attendance.

Blue Chip 225: Lot of upper D3, some top D1. Nicely run camp up at Bryant.

Based on what club team you play for you might be attending some showcase tournaments as well.

Top Tourneys (IMHO)

Crabfeast. Top competition. D1 Coaches everywhere.

Adrenaline Platinum. Great event, D1 coaches everywhere.

fl$ in 3d. Great tourney. Poorly run this year from a parking standpoint but a lot of coaches and top competition.

Im sure Im missing some but this is my list. Word of advice, dont do too much, you will burn him out. Do one or two showcases and whatever tourneys your club team is doing. You have plenty of time, hes only a 2018. Everyone is panicking but the reality is that most kids get recruited going into their junior or senior years.

Good luck and enjoy the journey, you only do it once.




Good advice given up there and the order of significance is spot on also.
Just went through it as well and agree about the parking debacle!!

Jake reed going into 9th grade wasn't as attended by D1 coaches as it was for rising sophs this summer.

Philly showcase is the true early indicator. Get into the fab40 all star game and your coach's phone will be ringing off of the hook.

The part about writing letters to coaches is a gray area. Some coaches may read them and most are ambivalent about them. The scouts are out there. They have particular needs and rolls to fill that all end up with great players but their MO of obtaining them and contacting varies greatly.

I was actually told by one very high level D1 coach that he deletes all emails requesting that he come to such and such tournaments to watch s and so player. These guys are and have been analyzing your kid's team already if it's an elite team and are culling out the kids they have an interest in.

Now that the "horror" of recruiting 9th graders has been somewhat desensitized; I imagine that this next group of 9th graders will be even more aggressively pursued.

Beg borrow and or steal and get into the showcases mentioned. Not only your club coach can make recommendations for these (HS, private coaches and friends who know directors....). It can become a "who you know " situation so get on it ASAP.

Bottom line is: if the kid has talent; they will find him sooner or later. There are a lot of spots to fill so don't get overwhelmed. Enjoy watching the games and keep it fun for your kid. They generate their own amount of tension through the process so try not to add to it. Just keep him in the game mentally and enjoy the experience together.


Another great/thoughtful response - what is going on here? Is it a full moon? Exactly what this site should be about. Thank you poster.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/06/14 04:38 PM

My two cents:

As a parent of a 2017 who just went through this summer with the added stress of "getting looked at" I have come to a few conclusions, they may be right or maybe wrong but they are all IMHO:

It seems that a good portion of the kids that are getting recruited are kids that have some connection to the schools they are committing to. IE, parents are alums, sibling attends, etc. Nothing wrong with this of course but it is a factor.

The whole thing seems to be a bit overhyped. As of now there are roughly 100 2017 commits. Id like to see the data on the amount of 2016 kids committed at the same time last year, but I would guess its not far off.

Lot of waste of time money grabs out there. Lot of "prospect days" and "clinics" and "camps" that profess to be showcases. We all know what the real showcases are and unless your son is specifically requested at a college prospect day, save your time and money.

I think the question in my mind is not "can" my son commit, but "should" my son commit. I dont know about most of your 2017's, but mine cant make up his mind what he wants for breakfast, nevermind what college he wants to go to. I think this speaks to where you think your son is at, if you think hes ready to make that sort of life changing decision, then so be it.

My son was at a very well attended college recruiting showcase camp over the summer where he made the all star team. The director of the camp spoke to all the all star kids and told them, and I quote "just relax, go out and have fun, the fact is that 70 percent of college lacrosse players get recruited going into their senior years" I think that speaks for itself.

In closing, to me unless your kid has some connection to the university, or hes a freak of nature, or older and more mature, or he has a great day at a showcase and draws attention, these next two years should be about getting better, getting on the radar of the schools hes interested in and getting ready to make the most important decision of his life.

To all those parents whose 2017 son has committed I say congratulations and best of luck, and to the rest of us wallowing in uncertainty and stress I say enjoy the ride, these are the best times of your life with your son, treasure every minute of it, because before you know it'll be all over.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/06/14 07:46 PM

Really great advice and I'll add my two cents.

I think you have to look at the events you attend with your club team and individual showcases. Our son plays on a good club team, but I would say the club directors make a concerted effort to market certain kids and for the most part those kids wind up making the "all star" games. Now some of those selected absolutely deserved it, but we were always scratching our collective heads about who was getting pushed. Your club may be different, but the interesting thing was that four kids are getting heavily recruited now, and they were seen at events where our club team wasn't involved. So if your club team is like this make sure you play some free agent events where your son has a clear slate so to speak to showcase his abilities.

I keep hearing that Maverik has supplanted Jake Reed and that may very well be the case. That being said, all I think you can ask for is the chance to show yourself, and at the 2017 JR this summer, anybody and everybody was there. In most cases 2-3 coaches per school were there where the one or two would watch and then at half the other ones would rotate over and watch.

Second the comments on the two Philly Showcase events.

I think it pays to be proactive with college coaches. I know it has certainly helped my son. I just think you have to be smart about the timing of your letters.

As far a prospect camps go, I would tell you to call or have your club or high school coach call to see where your son stands. At least in our experience the college coaches have been very candid. It saved us some money in some instances, and allowed us to better target 2-3 schools where there was a lot of interest and they wanted one more up close evaluation before making a decision.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/06/14 07:59 PM

You ever hear the expression "You missed the boat" If you get a few offers then your son needs to make a decision if not those offers disappear because the recruiting budget is only so big if you want money. If money isnt a factor any coach would love to take a player and not pay because he has nothing to lose its win/win. Hopefully the kid is good enough and the coach will pay some down the road, but like I mentioned if money is not a factor you could take as much time as your child needs. Good luck.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My two cents:

As a parent of a 2017 who just went through this summer with the added stress of "getting looked at" I have come to a few conclusions, they may be right or maybe wrong but they are all IMHO:

It seems that a good portion of the kids that are getting recruited are kids that have some connection to the schools they are committing to. IE, parents are alums, sibling attends, etc. Nothing wrong with this of course but it is a factor.

The whole thing seems to be a bit overhyped. As of now there are roughly 100 2017 commits. Id like to see the data on the amount of 2016 kids committed at the same time last year, but I would guess its not far off.

Lot of waste of time money grabs out there. Lot of "prospect days" and "clinics" and "camps" that profess to be showcases. We all know what the real showcases are and unless your son is specifically requested at a college prospect day, save your time and money.

I think the question in my mind is not "can" my son commit, but "should" my son commit. I dont know about most of your 2017's, but mine cant make up his mind what he wants for breakfast, nevermind what college he wants to go to. I think this speaks to where you think your son is at, if you think hes ready to make that sort of life changing decision, then so be it.

My son was at a very well attended college recruiting showcase camp over the summer where he made the all star team. The director of the camp spoke to all the all star kids and told them, and I quote "just relax, go out and have fun, the fact is that 70 percent of college lacrosse players get recruited going into their senior years" I think that speaks for itself.

In closing, to me unless your kid has some connection to the university, or hes a freak of nature, or older and more mature, or he has a great day at a showcase and draws attention, these next two years should be about getting better, getting on the radar of the schools hes interested in and getting ready to make the most important decision of his life.

To all those parents whose 2017 son has committed I say congratulations and best of luck, and to the rest of us wallowing in uncertainty and stress I say enjoy the ride, these are the best times of your life with your son, treasure every minute of it, because before you know it'll be all over.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/06/14 08:41 PM

So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/06/14 10:54 PM

An Ivy doesn't offer any money athletically and if you could afford to send your child there then I would choose that route if he is that smart there is some leeway grade wise but not much & all the schools are in the northeast which makes traveling that much easier to see him play and the job opportunities are endless.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/07/14 12:56 PM

DeCommitting is the next logical trend (on players and coaches sides)....

It will be the natural corrective action to this impossible process of predicting ideal college fits between player vs. program, student vs. university academic standards...

the whole early verbal committment was originally a recruiting tactic to land the next Lebron of Lacrosse... If there are only 5 of the 100 early commits found in the Lebron catagory, everyone (in this forum) who payed attention, would be shocked...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/07/14 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
DeCommitting is the next logical trend (on players and coaches sides)....

It will be the natural corrective action to this impossible process of predicting ideal college fits between player vs. program, student vs. university academic standards...

the whole early verbal committment was originally a recruiting tactic to land the next Lebron of Lacrosse... If there are only 5 of the 100 early commits found in the Lebron catagory, everyone (in this forum) who payed attention, would be shocked...


The trend might be about reaching the tipping point... The schools that are waiting just a little longer to recruit seem to be doing better...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/07/14 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?


Oh to have such problems! Life is about choices and these would be some that 99.9% of kids and their parents would kill to have. Very important to keep perspective.....and if UVA v ND v Ivy is the biggest problem in your son's life I can only say relax, count your blessings and be happy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/07/14 01:57 PM

Maybe you should work in a soup kitchen and give back. Then maybe you will put life into perspective.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/07/14 09:31 PM

basketball does it right... The number 1 ranked player in the nation for the 2015 class is uncommitted.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/07/14 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?




Oh to have such problems! Life is about choices and these would be some that 99.9% of kids and their parents would kill to have. Very important to keep perspective.....and if UVA v ND v Ivy is the biggest problem in your son's life I can only say relax, count your blessings and be happy.


check the express thread, several 2017 commits to ivies
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/08/14 04:53 AM

how many times can it be said you can not do anything beyond saying you are committing to the application process to an IVYm big difference than getting a likely letter and likely letters do not go out till fall of Senior year, these kids are just sophomores. Admissions makes the decision for IVYs not the coach. If the essay stinks or the interview tanks, or the recs are bad a coach can want this kid but admissions has the final say.

There are tips and slots, the coach can give a slot to one of these kids, BUT if a kids scores are not over the IVY minimum AI, it won't happen.
Obtaining the minimum Academic Index for Harvard is no easy task, and if the kid is fortunate enough to get the SAT/ACT scores,GPA of an unhooked admit, well then the kid got there by his academics and could have gotten in anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/08/14 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?


Decommittimg is going to start happening more and more, on both ends. Kids and colleges should NOT be making these decisions before the end of their Junior/start of their Senior year. I would be curious to see how many of the real early commits end up being happy with their school of choice!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/08/14 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?


Decommittimg is going to start happening more and more, on both ends. Kids and colleges should NOT be making these decisions before the end of their Junior/start of their Senior year. I would be curious to see how many of the real early commits end up being happy with their school of choice!


No school will de-commit. Think about it, if said school de-commits a kid for a better player, why would any top player ever commit to that school again for the foreseeable future? Injury or bad grades, off field issues it can happen, just talent wise? Doubtful. Interestingly, the schools who commit so early are taking all the risk. The kid can do whatever he wants. Many schools are now continuing to recruit committed kids. I believe, over time we will see a pull back on this very early committing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/08/14 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?


Decommittimg is going to start happening more and more, on both ends. Kids and colleges should NOT be making these decisions before the end of their Junior/start of their Senior year. I would be curious to see how many of the real early commits end up being happy with their school of choice!


No school will de-commit. Think about it, if said school de-commits a kid for a better player, why would any top player ever commit to that school again for the foreseeable future? Injury or bad grades, off field issues it can happen, just talent wise? Doubtful. Interestingly, the schools who commit so early are taking all the risk. The kid can do whatever he wants. Many schools are now continuing to recruit committed kids. I believe, over time we will see a pull back on this very early committing.


It is very unlikely that a school will de-commit. More likely, if they see someone else they like better, they will just continue to add to the class list and let the players react. For example, a list of 15 players for the 2017 class at a particular school would tell me that maybe someone may not see some playing time. The players will figure it out and act on their own.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/08/14 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?


Decommittimg is going to start happening more and more, on both ends. Kids and colleges should NOT be making these decisions before the end of their Junior/start of their Senior year. I would be curious to see how many of the real early commits end up being happy with their school of choice!


No school will de-commit. Think about it, if said school de-commits a kid for a better player, why would any top player ever commit to that school again for the foreseeable future? Injury or bad grades, off field issues it can happen, just talent wise? Doubtful. Interestingly, the schools who commit so early are taking all the risk. The kid can do whatever he wants. Many schools are now continuing to recruit committed kids. I believe, over time we will see a pull back on this very early committing.


It is very unlikely that a school will de-commit. More likely, if they see someone else they like better, they will just continue to add to the class list and let the players react. For example, a list of 15 players for the 2017 class at a particular school would tell me that maybe someone may not see some playing time. The players will figure it out and act on their own.


This is just another way of de-committing, but in not a blatant way. If this trend of early recruiting continues you will see lots of unhappy players and coaches in the future. I am sorry, you have no idea who is going to be the best 4 years from now, and while players and parents get all excited because a school wants them when they are 14 years old, it really means nothing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/08/14 01:59 PM

Let's be clear, what is going to happen for the big money grabbers who run the showcases and tourneys that already committed sophomores and juniors stop flocking to? Who is going to purchase film packages if their kids are committed? How will they justify all of this?

I think some of the colleges "decommiting" will be in the form of loss of aid, or inability of the coach to lean on admissions. That way the coach saves face and the parents aren't going to run around telling people Johnny was dropped because he got a crummy SAT, or didn't do well in school.

My kid is pretty close to making a decision, if he does, he will still travel with his club it will be less, our money and his time will be spent on strength and speed coaches (so he gets a chance to get on the field and stays injury free once he starts college) instead of film and hotel rooms at showcase events.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/08/14 03:35 PM

Look at UNC's '17 commits..lots of middies and attack, good number in the '16 class as well..going to be a lot of unhappy kids on the sidelines, but, they are getting a UNC education...take the good with the bad
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/08/14 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
going to be a lot of unhappy kids on the sidelines, but, they are getting a UNC education...take the good with the bad

NCAA Investigation
or maybe you are taking the bad with the bad
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/08/14 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
going to be a lot of unhappy kids on the sidelines, but, they are getting a UNC education...take the good with the bad

NCAA Investigation
or maybe you are taking the bad with the bad


Ha, good point, I should have said a UNC diploma!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/08/14 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
going to be a lot of unhappy kids on the sidelines, but, they are getting a UNC education...take the good with the bad

NCAA Investigation
or maybe you are taking the bad with the bad

Not going to matter, the NCAA just ceded a tremendous amount of power to the big 5 conferences, they will be writing there own rules going forward. It was either that or the big 5 leaving Div I and creating their own division.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/08/14 09:37 PM

These are some really thoughtful comments, thanks. My son is still in the recruiting process and I think his coach who has a lot of lacrosse credibility said, if you are good enough, the coaches will find a spot and money for you. If not, D3 and have fun...don't stop working. We also know one family whose kid finished his first year on the bench at UVa. I trust what they tell our family, which is coaches will blow up recruiting classes. 15 NLI's in December means that the coaches don't see it for a few early commits...they didn't grow, improve, etc. The scholarship money gets re-shuffled every year. Anyone who believes otherwise is misled. A coach can promise you 50% today and re-evaluate and make 5% later if the kid drops on the depth chart. It can be rough to be a former HS star at a UVa getting $500 a year out of politeness until you decide to accept the bench, quit or transfer. That is a reality few kids will be prepared for, and a reality no proud lacrosse Dads will be ready to accept either. Dial up the college soph kid who just bolted UNC for Towson sometime like my son did...humble pie for lots of IL ranked kids who don't play a lot or at all because they didn't develop. Almost an early commit curse now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/08/14 11:27 PM

You are wrong about reshuffling money. That depends where they go. My son's scholarship can't go down only up. And we are committed 65% to big 10. You have to ask these questions!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/08/14 11:38 PM

Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/09/14 12:00 AM

Scholarships are year to year. Can always be changed. Stop believing everything the coac tells you. They are re-evaluated on a yearly basis.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/09/14 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
These are some really thoughtful comments, thanks. My son is still in the recruiting process and I think his coach who has a lot of lacrosse credibility said, if you are good enough, the coaches will find a spot and money for you. If not, D3 and have fun...don't stop working. We also know one family whose kid finished his first year on the bench at UVa. I trust what they tell our family, which is coaches will blow up recruiting classes. 15 NLI's in December means that the coaches don't see it for a few early commits...they didn't grow, improve, etc. The scholarship money gets re-shuffled every year. Anyone who believes otherwise is misled. A coach can promise you 50% today and re-evaluate and make 5% later if the kid drops on the depth chart. It can be rough to be a former HS star at a UVa getting $500 a year out of politeness until you decide to accept the bench, quit or transfer. That is a reality few kids will be prepared for, and a reality no proud lacrosse Dads will be ready to accept either. Dial up the college soph kid who just bolted UNC for Towson sometime like my son did...humble pie for lots of IL ranked kids who don't play a lot or at all because they didn't develop. Almost an early commit curse now.

I agree, this early commit stuff is going to be a curse in the long run, trust me, if a kid is a junior or senior and they are a star (even though they were nothing in 8th/9th grade) they will surely end up on a great team and beat out early commits that fizzled out! No one knows what will happen until you get on campus and prove yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/09/14 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Scholarships are year to year. Can always be changed. Stop believing everything the coac tells you. They are re-evaluated on a yearly basis.


That might just be one of the dumbest comments yet, "Stop believing what your coach tells you??" Every program works a little different, you need to listen carefully. I know what was told to my son, you may have a different agreement, but my son's scholarship will not change as long as he follows the rules, attend practice, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/09/14 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These are some really thoughtful comments, thanks. My son is still in the recruiting process and I think his coach who has a lot of lacrosse credibility said, if you are good enough, the coaches will find a spot and money for you. If not, D3 and have fun...don't stop working. We also know one family whose kid finished his first year on the bench at UVa. I trust what they tell our family, which is coaches will blow up recruiting classes. 15 NLI's in December means that the coaches don't see it for a few early commits...they didn't grow, improve, etc. The scholarship money gets re-shuffled every year. Anyone who believes otherwise is misled. A coach can promise you 50% today and re-evaluate and make 5% later if the kid drops on the depth chart. It can be rough to be a former HS star at a UVa getting $500 a year out of politeness until you decide to accept the bench, quit or transfer. That is a reality few kids will be prepared for, and a reality no proud lacrosse Dads will be ready to accept either. Dial up the college soph kid who just bolted UNC for Towson sometime like my son did...humble pie for lots of IL ranked kids who don't play a lot or at all because they didn't develop. Almost an early commit curse now.

I agree, this early commit stuff is going to be a curse in the long run, trust me, if a kid is a junior or senior and they are a star (even though they were nothing in 8th/9th grade) they will surely end up on a great team and beat out early commits that fizzled out! No one knows what will happen until you get on campus and prove yourself.


Are we STILL saying "early commits" are BAD on a now SOPH thread?? 8 months ago wants it topic back. All of you that come on here and KNOCK "early commits" are either not recruited yet OR not in recruiting process yet (there is a difference!!)

ANYONE of you would JUMP if your kid was offered the chance to sit down in a D1 coaches office and discuss the chance for your son to got a slot on a given 2017 class slot for a D1 program. As far as 8 months ago, you would've JUMPED than also. Loads of envy & bitterness here from several of you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/09/14 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Scholarships are year to year. Can always be changed. Stop believing everything the coac tells you. They are re-evaluated on a yearly basis.


That might just be one of the dumbest comments yet, "Stop believing what your coach tells you??" Every program works a little different, you need to listen carefully. I know what was told to my son, you may have a different agreement, but my son's scholarship will not change as long as he follows the rules, attend practice, etc.


Whatever isn't in writing, was never said. Know an ACC recruit who after his freshman year was told by the coach "we can't use you anymore". BYE. IL highly ranked kid... The coach by the way is known as "a really good guy"... I wish everyone all the best, point is, keep your eyes wide open. It's a business folks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/09/14 03:19 PM

Dumb statement?? Are you serious? You don't think the coach is going to tell you exactly what YOU want to hear. Your sons scholarship is renewed on a yearly basis. If the coach feels someone else is deserving, that kid will get the money. You are delusional if you think because the coach told you so your sons scholarship is safe. That is not the way it works. No matter what the coach says. Just asking: what if the kid gets there and is in way over his head lax wise, do you really think the coach is going to keep his scholarship intact? No he won't.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/09/14 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dumb statement?? Are you serious? You don't think the coach is going to tell you exactly what YOU want to hear. Your sons scholarship is renewed on a yearly basis. If the coach feels someone else is deserving, that kid will get the money. You are delusional if you think because the coach told you so your sons scholarship is safe. That is not the way it works. No matter what the coach says. Just asking: what if the kid gets there and is in way over his head lax wise, do you really think the coach is going to keep his scholarship intact? No he won't.


All I know is that what was said to us was very clear. My son is a kid who committed very early and is now much better that when he was being recruited, and getting better offers, who knows we may even ask for more or decommit. Everything will be in writing before anything is signed, I'm not at all concerned.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/09/14 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!


A Turtle?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/09/14 06:54 PM

The only sports where money is not re-shuffled every year is football and basketball. In every other sport there are not full scholarships for everyone. When coach promises your 15 year old and you something, it is always subject to change later. Today he may see the kid as a four year starter, as a HS senior that evaluation can change. What leverage do you as a parent have then? Dial up other progams that are full looking for a new deal? If some walk on showed up and made All-ACC you think coach is stuck because he told some other kid as a 15 year old he was 65%? Dream on. You whack the kid who sits down and take care of the players who are producing on the field.

A lacrosse Dad's leverage to "listen for better offers" for his committed 2017 -- besides being sleazy -- runs out when the spots are gone. I respect Starsia a lot. You get a spot now, you get a money indication now and he is transparent that the money is finalized later when they are seniors in HS. Sure beats lying to kids saying it is a four year deal. It is a four year deal if yiu don't suck, then it is a one year. I also question your intrinsic trust of what coaches tell you...the same coaches who are recruiting their rival's commits while having a full 2017 class already. Golly, if Petro picks off somebody else's #1, is it free or is he going to pull some from a kid committed to him already who he rates less now? If any of this hits a nerve, get real pal or get sad later.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/09/14 07:14 PM

All I know is that what was said to us was very clear. My son is a kid who committed very early and is now much better that when he was being recruited, and getting better offers, who knows we may even ask for more or decommit. Everything will be in writing before anything is signed, I'm not at all concerned. [/quote]

Dude, let me speak from first hand experience. The law of the jungle is you fight to see the field and to keep your money. My favorite day of the season was the first day when the freshman would come to the first practice and leave stunned that the nicest guy who was going to be their coach turned into someone rough who didn't care about them anymore and only wanted performance on the field.

What do you think the same coach who promised your deal said to the last three kids who commit with no money and just an admissions spot. Come here, kick some [lacrosse], start and make All America and remain a walk on for four years? Other kids as your son's position beat him down to 3rd or 4th string and NO, he does not sit there for 4 years with the money. Invest in some tissue for those tears coming soon if you believe otherwise.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/09/14 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!


A Turtle?


NO
Posted By: TheBackOfTheCage

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/09/14 07:34 PM

I raised this point on the Back of THE NET, and I will raise it here.

The poster above has touched on a point referencing Football and Basketball.

From the college and university point of view, neither lacrosse or soccer are revenue producers.

Duke has been mentioned here often. Agreed that Duke is a great school with an alumni and networking second to none. They make their money with their basketball program, as does most schools. USC and others make a ton of money from football. The common denomination between these two sports vs. Lax, soccer, track, etc., is corporate sponsorships and TV revenue.

USC gets 14+ million if they make the Rose Bowl for just TV rights. Other bowl games and Saturday College Football put some serious coin into a school's treasury. The Final Four the same. Add all the merchandising and other income streams and it's no wonder that the Northwestern University Football Team wants to be considered employees and share in the profits they generate.

The scholarships are out there, but academic scholarships are plentiful and easier to obtain.

I told my two girls to make sure they did a killer essay when handing in their applications. I would suggest the same to your child.

Father of Northwestern University, 2003 & Duke University, 2006 graduates.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/09/14 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only sports where money is not re-shuffled every year is football and basketball. In every other sport there are not full scholarships for everyone. When coach promises your 15 year old and you something, it is always subject to change later. Today he may see the kid as a four year starter, as a HS senior that evaluation can change. What leverage do you as a parent have then? Dial up other progams that are full looking for a new deal? If some walk on showed up and made All-ACC you think coach is stuck because he told some other kid as a 15 year old he was 65%? Dream on. You whack the kid who sits down and take care of the players who are producing on the field.

A lacrosse Dad's leverage to "listen for better offers" for his committed 2017 -- besides being sleazy -- runs out when the spots are gone. I respect Starsia a lot. You get a spot now, you get a money indication now and he is transparent that the money is finalized later when they are seniors in HS. Sure beats lying to kids saying it is a four year deal. It is a four year deal if yiu don't suck, then it is a one year. I also question your intrinsic trust of what coaches tell you...the same coaches who are recruiting their rival's commits while having a full 2017 class already. Golly, if Petro picks off somebody else's #1, is it free or is he going to pull some from a kid committed to him already who he rates less now? If any of this hits a nerve, get real pal or get sad later.


As I said, the conditions of the scholarship were made very clear. I'm sorry if you don't want to accept it. I know other kids in this program now and they are getting exactly what they were promised. one will be a jr, the other a senior. In fact one is getting more than the original agreed amt. The other kid who doesn't play much is still getting the original very nice scholarship. This is one of the things we considered when accepting the offer. I am fully aware that all programs work a little differently, we went wirh a coach who ddoes what he says, pal
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/09/14 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!


A Turtle?


No,91. Class currently has 5 2017 committs, program has 10 top D1 committs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/09/14 08:10 PM

I am a 2012 graduate of an ACC school where I played for 2 years and decided to drop lacrosse to focus on grades. I was playing middie, but mostly as wing on face-offs and some SSDM and not two ways like I expected when being recruited. I don't have any regrets to have gone and played some and finished my degree. After both my first and my second year I had the year end player meeting with coach and was asked to take less money the next year. It didn't get to a point where I threatened to leave because I liked my choice of college, but would have it I faught it. I thought my coaches handled that professionally and were private about it. Nobody else knew your deal or new deal unless you talked about it. The coaches never would do that and treat this like a business. My advice is like Mr. Miller's. Love your school and not your deal and you will be a lot better off than hoping everything promised to you in high school works out. I had a team mate win the Tewaaraton and NO he did not get more than 50% until his last year when he went to 75%, and I only know that because we were roomies and he trusted us to know. It is not all good if you show up and don't do a lot on a 40% to 70% initial deal. It happened to me and be humble, it can happen to your son too. The good news is he won't be kicked out of a good school and can get a degree thanks to lacrosse helping. Be a little humble lax Dad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/10/14 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am a 2012 graduate of an ACC school where I played for 2 years and decided to drop lacrosse to focus on grades. I was playing middie, but mostly as wing on face-offs and some SSDM and not two ways like I expected when being recruited. I don't have any regrets to have gone and played some and finished my degree. After both my first and my second year I had the year end player meeting with coach and was asked to take less money the next year. It didn't get to a point where I threatened to leave because I liked my choice of college, but would have it I faught it. I thought my coaches handled that professionally and were private about it. Nobody else knew your deal or new deal unless you talked about it. The coaches never would do that and treat this like a business. My advice is like Mr. Miller's. Love your school and not your deal and you will be a lot better off than hoping everything promised to you in high school works out. I had a team mate win the Tewaaraton and NO he did not get more than 50% until his last year when he went to 75%, and I only know that because we were roomies and he trusted us to know. It is not all good if you show up and don't do a lot on a 40% to 70% initial deal. It happened to me and be humble, it can happen to your son too. The good news is he won't be kicked out of a good school and can get a degree thanks to lacrosse helping. Be a little humble lax Dad.


Great post and excellent perspective from someone who's lived it.
One question: Are you saying it is or isn't a business?

IMHO, the coach feeds his family, pays his mortgage and saves for his kids college education off the salary he receives from Lacrosse. I believe if you keep this in mind, you'll know the kinds of decisions these guys will make. It is crystal clear in my mind that they will do what is best for the team (business) at the expense of, or to the detriment of mine or anyone else's kid, every single time. Might seem cold, but how can you think of it any other way?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/10/14 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am a 2012 graduate of an ACC school where I played for 2 years and decided to drop lacrosse to focus on grades. I was playing middie, but mostly as wing on face-offs and some SSDM and not two ways like I expected when being recruited. I don't have any regrets to have gone and played some and finished my degree. After both my first and my second year I had the year end player meeting with coach and was asked to take less money the next year. It didn't get to a point where I threatened to leave because I liked my choice of college, but would have it I faught it. I thought my coaches handled that professionally and were private about it. Nobody else knew your deal or new deal unless you talked about it. The coaches never would do that and treat this like a business. My advice is like Mr. Miller's. Love your school and not your deal and you will be a lot better off than hoping everything promised to you in high school works out. I had a team mate win the Tewaaraton and NO he did not get more than 50% until his last year when he went to 75%, and I only know that because we were roomies and he trusted us to know. It is not all good if you show up and don't do a lot on a 40% to 70% initial deal. It happened to me and be humble, it can happen to your son too. The good news is he won't be kicked out of a good school and can get a degree thanks to lacrosse helping. Be a little humble lax Dad.


Great post and excellent perspective from someone who's lived it.
One question: Are you saying it is or isn't a business?

IMHO, the coach feeds his family, pays his mortgage and saves for his kids college education off the salary he receives from Lacrosse. I believe if you keep this in mind, you'll know the kinds of decisions these guys will make. It is crystal clear in my mind that they will do what is best for the team (business) at the expense of, or to the detriment of mine or anyone else's kid, every single time. Might seem cold, but how can you think of it any other way?


So then, what exactly is the commitment for if according to you the agreement can change on a whim?
What you are describing is the exception, not the rule
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/10/14 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!


A Turtle?


what are you saying program is "on fire"? 91 or ST East?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/10/14 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am a 2012 graduate of an ACC school where I played for 2 years and decided to drop lacrosse to focus on grades. I was playing middie, but mostly as wing on face-offs and some SSDM and not two ways like I expected when being recruited. I don't have any regrets to have gone and played some and finished my degree. After both my first and my second year I had the year end player meeting with coach and was asked to take less money the next year. It didn't get to a point where I threatened to leave because I liked my choice of college, but would have it I faught it. I thought my coaches handled that professionally and were private about it. Nobody else knew your deal or new deal unless you talked about it. The coaches never would do that and treat this like a business. My advice is like Mr. Miller's. Love your school and not your deal and you will be a lot better off than hoping everything promised to you in high school works out. I had a team mate win the Tewaaraton and NO he did not get more than 50% until his last year when he went to 75%, and I only know that because we were roomies and he trusted us to know. It is not all good if you show up and don't do a lot on a 40% to 70% initial deal. It happened to me and be humble, it can happen to your son too. The good news is he won't be kicked out of a good school and can get a degree thanks to lacrosse helping. Be a little humble lax Dad.


Great post and excellent perspective from someone who's lived it.
One question: Are you saying it is or isn't a business?

IMHO, the coach feeds his family, pays his mortgage and saves for his kids college education off the salary he receives from Lacrosse. I believe if you keep this in mind, you'll know the kinds of decisions these guys will make. It is crystal clear in my mind that they will do what is best for the team (business) at the expense of, or to the detriment of mine or anyone else's kid, every single time. Might seem cold, but how can you think of it any other way?


So then, what exactly is the commitment for if according to you the agreement can change on a whim?
What you are describing is the exception, not the rule



An excellent comment from the kid. I read that to mean this kid was part of ACC Lacrosse, Inc. and it is a business for the coaches. Last time I checked nothing is a commitment on either side until an NLI is signed senior year, and that is for one year. Doesn't sound cold to me at all. If some kid shows up and performs better than the kids promised more money as high schoolers, you have to take care of him. A coach who doesn't do that is out of a job soon.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/10/14 03:32 PM

http://chat.virginia.sportswar.com/message_board/lacrosse/2014/August/10/5291695.php

a buddy emailed this to me. interesting twist.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/10/14 03:33 PM

Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could “[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.”
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/10/14 04:07 PM

I think many of these comments are coming from jealous parents of kids getting no interest. With the exception of the "poster" Every lax scholarship kid I have talked to, the starters as well as the bench warmers, have kept the scholarships they were offered. Be happy for the hardworking kids and stop trying to look for a way to minimize their accomplishments
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/10/14 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could “[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.”


So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could “[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.”


So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.


Actually, no, I am a former college coach (who left college coaching because I wanted to raise a family and I didn't feel the lifestyle of a coach would work for my family). My sons are younger, but I will not have them commit early because I just am not comfortable with that. If a program really wants them, they will wait. If not, it wasn't the right fit. I just don't think this early committing is good for either end, players or coaches. Unfortunately, programs started it, and other progrms felt pressured to jump on the bandwagon. When you are late in your junior year (for a spring sport) it is time to make a serious desision about a college and a program, not sooner. Let's pretend you are a goalie and you really want to play, but the program you are interested in (and they are also interested in you) has a starting goalie who is a freshmen, would you want to go there? Probably not, but if there starting goalie is a junior, then yes, it would be a good fit. I realize a goalie is a special position, but you get the idea. I don't know how you decide what team you want to be part of, then the team (if you are being recruited as a 9th grader) won't even be there when you arrive on campus. Now, let's talk picking a school as a 14 year old, how is that possible? You barely know what you want as a 17 year old, but these are big decisions to make and I just think you are too young to have any clue what you really want as an 18 year old. Heck, the kid may decide they don't even want to make that commitment to play a sport! So, my kids will wait to decide and the coaches that respect that decision, will have a chance of getting them, those that don't, well, it wasn't meant to be.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could “[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.”


So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.


Actually, no, I am a former college coach (who left college coaching because I wanted to raise a family and I didn't feel the lifestyle of a coach would work for my family). My sons are younger, but I will not have them commit early because I just am not comfortable with that. If a program really wants them, they will wait. If not, it wasn't the right fit. I just don't think this early committing is good for either end, players or coaches. Unfortunately, programs started it, and other progrms felt pressured to jump on the bandwagon. When you are late in your junior year (for a spring sport) it is time to make a serious desision about a college and a program, not sooner. Let's pretend you are a goalie and you really want to play, but the program you are interested in (and they are also interested in you) has a starting goalie who is a freshmen, would you want to go there? Probably not, but if there starting goalie is a junior, then yes, it would be a good fit. I realize a goalie is a special position, but you get the idea. I don't know how you decide what team you want to be part of, then the team (if you are being recruited as a 9th grader) won't even be there when you arrive on campus. Now, let's talk picking a school as a 14 year old, how is that possible? You barely know what you want as a 17 year old, but these are big decisions to make and I just think you are too young to have any clue what you really want as an 18 year old. Heck, the kid may decide they don't even want to make that commitment to play a sport! So, my kids will wait to decide and the coaches that respect that decision, will have a chance of getting them, those that don't, well, it wasn't meant to be.




Oh please!! You're telling me that if a Duke or Harvard or notre Dame call and want your son, you're gonna say NO!! Have you lost your mind??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could “[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.”


So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.


Actually, no, I am a former college coach (who left college coaching because I wanted to raise a family and I didn't feel the lifestyle of a coach would work for my family). My sons are younger, but I will not have them commit early because I just am not comfortable with that. If a program really wants them, they will wait. If not, it wasn't the right fit. I just don't think this early committing is good for either end, players or coaches. Unfortunately, programs started it, and other progrms felt pressured to jump on the bandwagon. When you are late in your junior year (for a spring sport) it is time to make a serious desision about a college and a program, not sooner. Let's pretend you are a goalie and you really want to play, but the program you are interested in (and they are also interested in you) has a starting goalie who is a freshmen, would you want to go there? Probably not, but if there starting goalie is a junior, then yes, it would be a good fit. I realize a goalie is a special position, but you get the idea. I don't know how you decide what team you want to be part of, then the team (if you are being recruited as a 9th grader) won't even be there when you arrive on campus. Now, let's talk picking a school as a 14 year old, how is that possible? You barely know what you want as a 17 year old, but these are big decisions to make and I just think you are too young to have any clue what you really want as an 18 year old. Heck, the kid may decide they don't even want to make that commitment to play a sport! So, my kids will wait to decide and the coaches that respect that decision, will have a chance of getting them, those that don't, well, it wasn't meant to be.




Oh please!! You're telling me that if a Duke or Harvard or notre Dame call and want your son, you're gonna say NO!! Have you lost your mind??


I wouldn't put ND in there with Duke and Harvard
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could “[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.”


So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.


Actually, no, I am a former college coach (who left college coaching because I wanted to raise a family and I didn't feel the lifestyle of a coach would work for my family). My sons are younger, but I will not have them commit early because I just am not comfortable with that. If a program really wants them, they will wait. If not, it wasn't the right fit. I just don't think this early committing is good for either end, players or coaches. Unfortunately, programs started it, and other progrms felt pressured to jump on the bandwagon. When you are late in your junior year (for a spring sport) it is time to make a serious desision about a college and a program, not sooner. Let's pretend you are a goalie and you really want to play, but the program you are interested in (and they are also interested in you) has a starting goalie who is a freshmen, would you want to go there? Probably not, but if there starting goalie is a junior, then yes, it would be a good fit. I realize a goalie is a special position, but you get the idea. I don't know how you decide what team you want to be part of, then the team (if you are being recruited as a 9th grader) won't even be there when you arrive on campus. Now, let's talk picking a school as a 14 year old, how is that possible? You barely know what you want as a 17 year old, but these are big decisions to make and I just think you are too young to have any clue what you really want as an 18 year old. Heck, the kid may decide they don't even want to make that commitment to play a sport! So, my kids will wait to decide and the coaches that respect that decision, will have a chance of getting them, those that don't, well, it wasn't meant to be.


I don't think it is fair to assume every "14 year old" is NOT prepared to make mature decisions...every kid is different. Kids mature at different paces. I also don't think its fair to expect all parents & players to think they way you do, no matter if you were a ncaa coach or not. I respect everything you are saying g in your post, but please respect others actions in regards to verbal to a D1 program early.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could “[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.”


So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.


Actually, no, I am a former college coach (who left college coaching because I wanted to raise a family and I didn't feel the lifestyle of a coach would work for my family). My sons are younger, but I will not have them commit early because I just am not comfortable with that. If a program really wants them, they will wait. If not, it wasn't the right fit. I just don't think this early committing is good for either end, players or coaches. Unfortunately, programs started it, and other progrms felt pressured to jump on the bandwagon. When you are late in your junior year (for a spring sport) it is time to make a serious desision about a college and a program, not sooner. Let's pretend you are a goalie and you really want to play, but the program you are interested in (and they are also interested in you) has a starting goalie who is a freshmen, would you want to go there? Probably not, but if there starting goalie is a junior, then yes, it would be a good fit. I realize a goalie is a special position, but you get the idea. I don't know how you decide what team you want to be part of, then the team (if you are being recruited as a 9th grader) won't even be there when you arrive on campus. Now, let's talk picking a school as a 14 year old, how is that possible? You barely know what you want as a 17 year old, but these are big decisions to make and I just think you are too young to have any clue what you really want as an 18 year old. Heck, the kid may decide they don't even want to make that commitment to play a sport! So, my kids will wait to decide and the coaches that respect that decision, will have a chance of getting them, those that don't, well, it wasn't meant to be.




Oh please!! You're telling me that if a Duke or Harvard or notre Dame call and want your son, you're gonna say NO!! Have you lost your mind??


Correct. And its not just those 3 great schools & lax programs. Take a look at just the email the express sent on those 14 or 15 commits in 2017 class from their club, all GREAT SCHOOLS & legit D1 lacrosse. Very impressive list, congrats to those boys.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could “[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.”


So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.


Actually, no, I am a former college coach (who left college coaching because I wanted to raise a family and I didn't feel the lifestyle of a coach would work for my family). My sons are younger, but I will not have them commit early because I just am not comfortable with that. If a program really wants them, they will wait. If not, it wasn't the right fit. I just don't think this early committing is good for either end, players or coaches. Unfortunately, programs started it, and other progrms felt pressured to jump on the bandwagon. When you are late in your junior year (for a spring sport) it is time to make a serious desision about a college and a program, not sooner. Let's pretend you are a goalie and you really want to play, but the program you are interested in (and they are also interested in you) has a starting goalie who is a freshmen, would you want to go there? Probably not, but if there starting goalie is a junior, then yes, it would be a good fit. I realize a goalie is a special position, but you get the idea. I don't know how you decide what team you want to be part of, then the team (if you are being recruited as a 9th grader) won't even be there when you arrive on campus. Now, let's talk picking a school as a 14 year old, how is that possible? You barely know what you want as a 17 year old, but these are big decisions to make and I just think you are too young to have any clue what you really want as an 18 year old. Heck, the kid may decide they don't even want to make that commitment to play a sport! So, my kids will wait to decide and the coaches that respect that decision, will have a chance of getting them, those that don't, well, it wasn't meant to be.




Oh please!! You're telling me that if a Duke or Harvard or notre Dame call and want your son, you're gonna say NO!! Have you lost your mind??


I wouldn't put ND in there with Duke and Harvard


Get off your high horse. Your one of those "if it isn't an Ivy or Duke, it sucks". Give it a rest.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could “[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.”


So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.


Actually, no, I am a former college coach (who left college coaching because I wanted to raise a family and I didn't feel the lifestyle of a coach would work for my family). My sons are younger, but I will not have them commit early because I just am not comfortable with that. If a program really wants them, they will wait. If not, it wasn't the right fit. I just don't think this early committing is good for either end, players or coaches. Unfortunately, programs started it, and other progrms felt pressured to jump on the bandwagon. When you are late in your junior year (for a spring sport) it is time to make a serious desision about a college and a program, not sooner. Let's pretend you are a goalie and you really want to play, but the program you are interested in (and they are also interested in you) has a starting goalie who is a freshmen, would you want to go there? Probably not, but if there starting goalie is a junior, then yes, it would be a good fit. I realize a goalie is a special position, but you get the idea. I don't know how you decide what team you want to be part of, then the team (if you are being recruited as a 9th grader) won't even be there when you arrive on campus. Now, let's talk picking a school as a 14 year old, how is that possible? You barely know what you want as a 17 year old, but these are big decisions to make and I just think you are too young to have any clue what you really want as an 18 year old. Heck, the kid may decide they don't even want to make that commitment to play a sport! So, my kids will wait to decide and the coaches that respect that decision, will have a chance of getting them, those that don't, well, it wasn't meant to be.




Oh please!! You're telling me that if a Duke or Harvard or notre Dame call and want your son, you're gonna say NO!! Have you lost your mind??


I wouldn't put ND in there with Duke and Harvard


Get off your high horse. Your one of those "if it isn't an Ivy or Duke, it sucks". Give it a rest.


Wouldn't put Duke with Harvard either.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 02:01 PM

Valid point, just look at the college rankings in US News/WR Harvard is tied with Princeton for #1 while Duke comes in at 7. ND much further down at 18, but still much better than Maryland and Syracuse tied at 62, not even in top 50. Other big lax destinations UNC at 30, Michigan 28, Penn State 37, Virginia 23, Hopkins 12. All good schools, but Harvard clearly is tops!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Valid point, just look at the college rankings in US News/WR Harvard is tied with Princeton for #1 while Duke comes in at 7. ND much further down at 18, but still much better than Maryland and Syracuse tied at 62, not even in top 50. Other big lax destinations UNC at 30, Michigan 28, Penn State 37, Virginia 23, Hopkins 12. All good schools, but Harvard clearly is tops!


Your splitting hairs. Ranking of the school is important but you have to look at graduation rate & acceptance rate also.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 02:38 PM

I am absolutely serious, if any school calls as a freshman we will visit, but my kids will not commit ANYWHERE until the end of their junior year (at the earliest). Because then I will be comfortable with the decision and I will feel like they will be going somewhere that will be a good fit. Before that it is too risky. And trust me, if your kid is good enough, they will wait. Because, if they are not, an early commitment would be a REALLY bad idea. This, but the class will be filled crap is nothing but a scare tactic, they will make room for a kid that they want (even if that mean bumping little Johnny that "committed" when he was 12!
Been there, done that, trust me!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am absolutely serious, if any school calls as a freshman we will visit, but my kids will not commit ANYWHERE until the end of their junior year (at the earliest). Because then I will be comfortable with the decision and I will feel like they will be going somewhere that will be a good fit. Before that it is too risky. And trust me, if your kid is good enough, they will wait. Because, if they are not, an early commitment would be a REALLY bad idea. This, but the class will be filled crap is nothing but a scare tactic, they will make room for a kid that they want (even if that mean bumping little Johnny that "committed" when he was 12!
Been there, done that, trust me!


So true. Verbal commits are no binding legally. You as well as the school have the ability to change your mind.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am absolutely serious, if any school calls as a freshman we will visit, but my kids will not commit ANYWHERE until the end of their junior year (at the earliest). Because then I will be comfortable with the decision and I will feel like they will be going somewhere that will be a good fit. Before that it is too risky. And trust me, if your kid is good enough, they will wait. Because, if they are not, an early commitment would be a REALLY bad idea. This, but the class will be filled crap is nothing but a scare tactic, they will make room for a kid that they want (even if that mean bumping little Johnny that "committed" when he was 12!
Been there, done that, trust me!


So true. Verbal commits are no binding legally. You as well as the school have the ability to change your mind.



Says the dad whose kid has no interest, stop being jealous, it's unbecoming. Commitments are real sorry you don't have one.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am absolutely serious, if any school calls as a freshman we will visit, but my kids will not commit ANYWHERE until the end of their junior year (at the earliest). Because then I will be comfortable with the decision and I will feel like they will be going somewhere that will be a good fit. Before that it is too risky. And trust me, if your kid is good enough, they will wait. Because, if they are not, an early commitment would be a REALLY bad idea. This, but the class will be filled crap is nothing but a scare tactic, they will make room for a kid that they want (even if that mean bumping little Johnny that "committed" when he was 12!
Been there, done that, trust me!


I hope it works out well. I have three sons, what I thought when they were toddlers and what I think now are very, very different.

I can imagine the family atmosphere if the coach at Harvard makes an offer at 15 and Daddy insists junior passes until he is a junior. I'm sure Johnny will continue to be so talented as a junior he will have his pick of the rest, but if his heart was set on Harvard…there could be some bitterness later on if he ends up at his #10 choice because other very talented kids were willing to jump the gun.

On one hand I completely agree that recruiting so early is completely insane. On the other hand, nothing is guaranteed in this world, and at some point kids need to make their own decisions. I would never push my kid to commit to a school even if I thought it was the opportunity of a lifetime, but I would not prevent them from doing so either. Would I like to turn back the clock and have this all occur late Junior or early senior year, absolutely! I'd also love it if popular music wasn't so graphic, but I am not going to be successful limiting my kid' iPods to music by Pat Boone.

I have prepared my son with the possibilities, that he could be dropped, he could get better offers, or that he could go and never step his foot on the field. He understands that all those scenarios are beyond his control, he is focused on academic opportunity and his future not lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 04:05 PM

Says the dad whose kid has no interest, stop being jealous, it's unbecoming. Commitments are real sorry you don't have one. [/quote]

Don't be silly yourself, they are real, but they are like an engagement, your kid isn't married yet and sometimes engagements are broken, even when both parties enter into them with the most sincere intentions. It doesn't mean you shouldn't get engaged, but the deal has not been sealed. The longer the engagement the greater the chance someone will get cold feet.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 04:31 PM

And the first 2018 comits to Hopkins!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am absolutely serious, if any school calls as a freshman we will visit, but my kids will not commit ANYWHERE until the end of their junior year (at the earliest). Because then I will be comfortable with the decision and I will feel like they will be going somewhere that will be a good fit. Before that it is too risky. And trust me, if your kid is good enough, they will wait. Because, if they are not, an early commitment would be a REALLY bad idea. This, but the class will be filled crap is nothing but a scare tactic, they will make room for a kid that they want (even if that mean bumping little Johnny that "committed" when he was 12!
Been there, done that, trust me!


I hope it works out well. I have three sons, what I thought when they were toddlers and what I think now are very, very different.

I can imagine the family atmosphere if the coach at Harvard makes an offer at 15 and Daddy insists junior passes until he is a junior. I'm sure Johnny will continue to be so talented as a junior he will have his pick of the rest, but if his heart was set on Harvard…there could be some bitterness later on if he ends up at his #10 choice because other very talented kids were willing to jump the gun.

On one hand I completely agree that recruiting so early is completely insane. On the other hand, nothing is guaranteed in this world, and at some point kids need to make their own decisions. I would never push my kid to commit to a school even if I thought it was the opportunity of a lifetime, but I would not prevent them from doing so either. Would I like to turn back the clock and have this all occur late Junior or early senior year, absolutely! I'd also love it if popular music wasn't so graphic, but I am not going to be successful limiting my kid' iPods to music by Pat Boone.

I have prepared my son with the possibilities, that he could be dropped, he could get better offers, or that he could go and never step his foot on the field. He understands that all those scenarios are beyond his control, he is focused on academic opportunity and his future not lacrosse.


Wow, has he been accepted? If so, that is awesome! To get into Harvard as a 9th grader is pretty impressive!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am absolutely serious, if any school calls as a freshman we will visit, but my kids will not commit ANYWHERE until the end of their junior year (at the earliest). Because then I will be comfortable with the decision and I will feel like they will be going somewhere that will be a good fit. Before that it is too risky. And trust me, if your kid is good enough, they will wait. Because, if they are not, an early commitment would be a REALLY bad idea. This, but the class will be filled crap is nothing but a scare tactic, they will make room for a kid that they want (even if that mean bumping little Johnny that "committed" when he was 12!
Been there, done that, trust me!


I hope it works out well. I have three sons, what I thought when they were toddlers and what I think now are very, very different.

I can imagine the family atmosphere if the coach at Harvard makes an offer at 15 and Daddy insists junior passes until he is a junior. I'm sure Johnny will continue to be so talented as a junior he will have his pick of the rest, but if his heart was set on Harvard…there could be some bitterness later on if he ends up at his #10 choice because other very talented kids were willing to jump the gun.

On one hand I completely agree that recruiting so early is completely insane. On the other hand, nothing is guaranteed in this world, and at some point kids need to make their own decisions. I would never push my kid to commit to a school even if I thought it was the opportunity of a lifetime, but I would not prevent them from doing so either. Would I like to turn back the clock and have this all occur late Junior or early senior year, absolutely! I'd also love it if popular music wasn't so graphic, but I am not going to be successful limiting my kid' iPods to music by Pat Boone.

I have prepared my son with the possibilities, that he could be dropped, he could get better offers, or that he could go and never step his foot on the field. He understands that all those scenarios are beyond his control, he is focused on academic opportunity and his future not lacrosse.


Wow, has he been accepted? If so, that is awesome! To get into Harvard as a 9th grader is pretty impressive!


You commit to the application process, not accepted.......yet
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
And the first 2018 comits to Hopkins!


Do we know from where? $1000 says he's a holdback, LOL. Just kidding. Congrats to whoever it is! Hope it's a LI kid!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 06:00 PM

Not a holdback even though he's from Maryland. Plays for Madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 06:04 PM

Look it up. The 2018 kid IL was touting last week is already 16. REALLY? Yes. Most "Natural" 2018's are still 14. Of course this young MAN is from MD/DC area.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 06:53 PM

Post it and everyone believes it. Just an example of how silly this all is. Don't really know how old that kid is but how many of you are looking?? #obsessed
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/11/14 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am absolutely serious, if any school calls as a freshman we will visit, but my kids will not commit ANYWHERE until the end of their junior year (at the earliest). Because then I will be comfortable with the decision and I will feel like they will be going somewhere that will be a good fit. Before that it is too risky. And trust me, if your kid is good enough, they will wait. Because, if they are not, an early commitment would be a REALLY bad idea. This, but the class will be filled crap is nothing but a scare tactic, they will make room for a kid that they want (even if that mean bumping little Johnny that "committed" when he was 12!
Been there, done that, trust me!


I hope it works out well. I have three sons, what I thought when they were toddlers and what I think now are very, very different.

I can imagine the family atmosphere if the coach at Harvard makes an offer at 15 and Daddy insists junior passes until he is a junior. I'm sure Johnny will continue to be so talented as a junior he will have his pick of the rest, but if his heart was set on Harvard…there could be some bitterness later on if he ends up at his #10 choice because other very talented kids were willing to jump the gun.

On one hand I completely agree that recruiting so early is completely insane. On the other hand, nothing is guaranteed in this world, and at some point kids need to make their own decisions. I would never push my kid to commit to a school even if I thought it was the opportunity of a lifetime, but I would not prevent them from doing so either. Would I like to turn back the clock and have this all occur late Junior or early senior year, absolutely! I'd also love it if popular music wasn't so graphic, but I am not going to be successful limiting my kid' iPods to music by Pat Boone.

I have prepared my son with the possibilities, that he could be dropped, he could get better offers, or that he could go and never step his foot on the field. He understands that all those scenarios are beyond his control, he is focused on academic opportunity and his future not lacrosse.


Wow, has he been accepted? If so, that is awesome! To get into Harvard as a 9th grader is pretty impressive!


You commit to the application process, not accepted.......yet


No, I was talking about the former coach's kid, mine doesn't have a Harvard offer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/12/14 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Post it and everyone believes it. Just an example of how silly this all is. Don't really know how old that kid is but how many of you are looking?? #obsessed


2017 commit kid from express will be 20 in his first semester at college..... believe it!

a fact that is truly silly: a sophomore born in 97.

i'm gonna reclass my 2019 to 6th grade and have him be a 2021.

reality and fairness just don't mix in this game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/12/14 02:46 PM

Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/12/14 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?


Sounds like you're upset that your kid wasn't named the first. Sick!
But the comment about the first pee was pretty funny!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/12/14 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?


I agree about not making a public spectacle. However, I think you're a little envious of the attention. If your 2018 committed to an Ivy two months ago, God Bless. Why all the anger? Let it go... Sounds like you're upset that you're son didn't get the press, you didn't want him to get in the first place??? Odd.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/12/14 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?


I agree about not making a public spectacle. However, I think you're a little envious of the attention. If your 2018 committed to an Ivy two months ago, God Bless. Why all the anger? Let it go... Sounds like you're upset that you're son didn't get the press, you didn't want him to get in the first place??? Odd.


I doubt there are 2018 Ivy verbals before the kids have even started high school. This is a 2017 thread so must be a 2017 kid if an Ivy. I don't see why this point would get you sore. Bottom line is the NCAA sport is way out of whack when coaches are extrapolating what 8th graders will be in college. I agree, good for the kids and families to get a college education. Bad for these NCAA early recruiting programs. No lemon law in sports.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/12/14 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look it up. The 2018 kid IL was touting last week is already 16. REALLY? Yes. Most "Natural" 2018's are still 14. Of course this young MAN is from MD/DC area.


my 2018 isn't even 14 yet
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/12/14 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?


Agreed. I respect what your saying, Ty Xanders is a hypocritical wanna be. Zero credibility. Seems like a non athletic 24 year old living in mom's basement.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/12/14 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?


Agreed. I respect what your saying, Ty Xanders is a hypocritical wanna be. Zero credibility. Seems like a non athletic 24 year old living in mom's basement.


What's the matter, your boy not make top 20 list? Work harder and stop blaming Ty. The guy does a great job and is well respected in the lax community. All the kids he writes about are well deserving and are being offered scholarships, so he must know something, because coaches don't offer scholarships as favors!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/12/14 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?


Agreed. I respect what your saying, Ty Xanders is a hypocritical wanna be. Zero credibility. Seems like a non athletic 24 year old living in mom's basement.


What's the matter, your boy not make top 20 list? Work harder and stop blaming Ty. The guy does a great job and is well respected in the lax community. All the kids he writes about are well deserving and are being offered scholarships, so he must know something, because coaches don't offer scholarships as favors!


Top 20? Hey genius, you mean Top 25 and its NOT even out yet! Do you homework before you come on here, you goof. As far as my son, Xanders has written about him and it means nothing to me. My son committed on his ability, work ethic & grades. Back to "Ty being respected" you are completely incorrect, that's the truth.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/13/14 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?


Agreed. I respect what your saying, Ty Xanders is a hypocritical wanna be. Zero credibility. Seems like a non athletic 24 year old living in mom's basement.


What's the matter, your boy not make top 20 list? Work harder and stop blaming Ty. The guy does a great job and is well respected in the lax community. All the kids he writes about are well deserving and are being offered scholarships, so he must know something, because coaches don't offer scholarships as favors!


Top 20? Hey genius, you mean Top 25 and its NOT even out yet! Do you homework before you come on here, you goof. As far as my son, Xanders has written about him and it means nothing to me. My son committed on his ability, work ethic & grades. Back to "Ty being respected" you are completely incorrect, that's the truth.



You are an [lacrosse]! Nice try. Why would you put down someone who talks about your son on a flattering way. If you know anything about Ty, you would know that he relies heavily on the opinions of both the travel and D1 Coaches. Why would you be so bitter? Unless of course, you are full of shi☆
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/13/14 02:20 AM

The player, his family and Yale coach asked for privacy, we should all respect it. Great kid, great family, and plays for a great club. Leave it at that. It will be out soon enough.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!


A Turtle?


No,91. Class currently has 5 2017 committs, program has 10 top D1 committs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/13/14 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?


Agreed. I respect what your saying, Ty Xanders is a hypocritical wanna be. Zero credibility. Seems like a non athletic 24 year old living in mom's basement.


What's the matter, your boy not make top 20 list? Work harder and stop blaming Ty. The guy does a great job and is well respected in the lax community. All the kids he writes about are well deserving and are being offered scholarships, so he must know something, because coaches don't offer scholarships as favors!


Top 20? Hey genius, you mean Top 25 and its NOT even out yet! Do you homework before you come on here, you goof. As far as my son, Xanders has written about him and it means nothing to me. My son committed on his ability, work ethic & grades. Back to "Ty being respected" you are completely incorrect, that's the truth.



You are an [lacrosse]! Nice try. Why would you put down someone who talks about your son on a flattering way. If you know anything about Ty, you would know that he relies heavily on the opinions of both the travel and D1 Coaches. Why would you be so bitter? Unless of course, you are full of shi☆


Yes, but I'm a WELL INFORMED [lacrosse]. Believe what you like. I know this much, his opinion is not important to me. Just because you want to throw a party because some nobody tweets about your son, doesn't mean every parent with a committed kid are so flattered or even care. Have a good night, I guess I better end the exchange because I'm worried you will curse at me again on here, its very SCARY!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/19/14 05:03 PM

Maryland to offer lifetime scholarships for all athletes...announced today, for all sports, not just revenue sports.
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/19/14 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The player, his family and Yale coach asked for privacy, we should all respect it. Great kid, great family, and plays for a great club. Leave it at that. It will be out soon enough.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!


A Turtle?


No,91. Class currently has 5 2017 committs, program has 10 top D1 committs.

is the kid a 2018 and 16 or am I mixing a few random posts or are they all related?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/19/14 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The player, his family and Yale coach asked for privacy, we should all respect it. Great kid, great family, and plays for a great club. Leave it at that. It will be out soon enough.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!


A Turtle?


No,91. Class currently has 5 2017 committs, program has 10 top D1 committs.

is the kid a 2018 and 16 or am I mixing a few random posts or are they all related?


I can confirm that Yale coaches appreciate privacy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/19/14 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The player, his family and Yale coach asked for privacy, we should all respect it. Great kid, great family, and plays for a great club. Leave it at that. It will be out soon enough.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!


A Turtle?


No,91. Class currently has 5 2017 committs, program has 10 top D1 committs.

is the kid a 2018 and 16 or am I mixing a few random posts or are they all related?


I can confirm that Yale coaches appreciate privacy.


So lets keep putting it out there!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/21/14 11:56 PM

What 2017 li teams are at quaker fest in fall - its the top recruiting tournament
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/22/14 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What 2017 li teams are at quaker fest in fall - its the top recruiting tournament


Outlaws!! 2017 team is going to be top top team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/22/14 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What 2017 li teams are at quaker fest in fall - its the top recruiting tournament


Outlaws!! 2017 team is going to be top top team.


Oh please make it stop!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/22/14 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What 2017 li teams are at quaker fest in fall - its the top recruiting tournament


Outlaws!! 2017 team is going to be top top team.


Turtles going to be there? Or a different Express team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/22/14 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What 2017 li teams are at quaker fest in fall - its the top recruiting tournament


Outlaws!! 2017 team is going to be top top team.


Turtles going to be there? Or a different Express team?


I believe that the Quakerfest occurs during the NCAA contact period but during that same period coaches can't evaluate players. If correct, how do you think this will affect coach attendance? I think the same thing happened last year; so how was last year?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/22/14 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What 2017 li teams are at quaker fest in fall - its the top recruiting tournament


Outlaws!! 2017 team is going to be top top team.


Turtles going to be there? Or a different Express team?


I believe that the Quakerfest occurs during the NCAA contact period but during that same period coaches can't evaluate players. If correct, how do you think this will affect coach attendance? I think the same thing happened last year; so how was last year?


Evaluation period starts November 1, so there will be evaluations going on, and there will be a lot of coaches there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/22/14 03:28 PM

The good athletes are playing football and are not going to waste time going there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/22/14 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The good athletes are playing football and are not going to waste time going there.


The players that want to play big D1 lacrosse should be going there on a sunday, no football on sunday.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/22/14 06:55 PM

The "good athletes play football" comment is plain ignorant.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/23/14 02:15 AM

you're right, it should say the "very good"
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/23/14 01:11 PM

The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/23/14 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...


You do not sound very SMART
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/23/14 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...


Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/24/14 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...


Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!


Please send around the long list of LI players that have made a descent living playing lacrosse. Professional lacrosse is a joke .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/24/14 12:17 PM

Pretty soon you will also see a trend of D1 assistant and even head coaches quitting to leave for the club or showcase side where the money is, or just leave the sport. D1 lacrosse coaches work too hard for too little, especially the assistants who work all school year and then all summer living out of a suitcase to recruit. It needs to be football money for rational people to fill these coaching decisions and deal with all this recruiting mania to be competitive
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/24/14 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...


Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!


Please send around the long list of LI players that have made a descent living playing lacrosse. Professional lacrosse is a joke .



Are you that much of a moron? The goal is to get into a better college, enjoy the experience of being a student athlete, and have some tuition relief.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/24/14 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...


Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!


Plenty of LI players get football scholarships each year. A football scholarship is real money saved not 5k off of a 50k tuition.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/24/14 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...


Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!


Plenty of LI players get football scholarships each year. A football scholarship is real money saved not 5k off of a 50k tuition.


Define plenty. 4-5? , compared with 100+ for lax
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/24/14 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...


Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!


Plenty of LI players get football scholarships each year. A football scholarship is real money saved not 5k off of a 50k tuition.


Exactly the reason why the "best athletes" from other areas of the country will not be playing lacrosse over football anytime soon.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/24/14 03:33 PM

Lax dreamers
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/24/14 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lax dreamers


My kid, D1 commit - much more than "5k" - he don't play football. No dreaming here, those are facts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/24/14 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lax dreamers


My kid, D1 commit - much more than "5k" - he don't play football. No dreaming here, those are facts.


Same here. Bunch of jealous loses out there!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/24/14 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lax dreamers


My kid, D1 commit - much more than "5k" - he don't play football. No dreaming here, those are facts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/25/14 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lax dreamers


My kid, D1 commit - much more than "5k" - he don't play football. No dreaming here, those are facts.


We were talking about ATHLETIC scholarship money only. Not need based and/or academic money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/25/14 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lax dreamers


My kid, D1 commit - much more than "5k" - he don't play football. No dreaming here, those are facts.


We were talking about ATHLETIC scholarship money only. Not need based and/or academic money.


Correct. My kid, "ATHLETIC SCHOLARSHIP" for the sport of lacrosse over $5K in 2017 grad year. Not a football player, STILL not dreaming.

Honestly, if you are doubting that MANY of these 2017's have gotten lax $$$ over $5000 than your son is NOT being recruited as of now. Your not in the loop buddy, meaning you don't know what your talking about.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/25/14 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...


Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!


Plenty of LI players get football scholarships each year. A football scholarship is real money saved not 5k off of a 50k tuition.


Define plenty. 4-5? , compared with 100+ for lax


100+ for lax?? where are you living?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/25/14 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...


Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!


Please send around the long list of LI players that have made a descent living playing lacrosse. Professional lacrosse is a joke .



Are you that much of a moron? The goal is to get into a better college, enjoy the experience of being a student athlete, and have some tuition relief.


I agree with you.... Think about the source, football parent, too many hits to the head... I think you know the deal now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/25/14 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...


Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!


Plenty of LI players get football scholarships each year. A football scholarship is real money saved not 5k off of a 50k tuition.


Add it up, I counted 100 D1 commits on Laxpower where they list the kids alphabetically for the 2014 grad year. And I was only up to the letter H! Probably closer to 200+. And you want to play Football??

Define plenty. 4-5? , compared with 100+ for lax


100+ for lax?? where are you living?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/25/14 02:05 PM


Honestly, if you are doubting that MANY of these 2017's have gotten lax $$$ over $5000 than your son is NOT being recruited as of now. Your not in the loop buddy, meaning you don't know what your talking about. [/quote]

My kid committed early and is getting zero dollars. Only scholarship money at Ivy are academic scholarships.

The point is valid Mr. Daddy Bragger...lacrosse is a 12.5 sport. On the club sidelines and in these chat rooms everyone loves to brag they are getting big money %s or $$$ figures. Of course some kids get a lot more at some programs. But on average is isn't much. Assume 3 scholarships per class and 12 recruits per class, and assume last 3 are walk ons, that still leaves 3 over 9 kids and their psycho insecure Dads to please. The poster is not suggesting anything dumb. In football everyone rides free, in lacrosse few if any do. That is just the math and not my argument.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/25/14 02:18 PM

Majority of people lie even when the truth has been announced about scholarship monies. Nature of the beast to not be honest or forthcoming. So many should think when the child is assuming loans at 45,000 + to play a game. Rather it be academics then lax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/25/14 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Majority of people lie even when the truth has been announced about scholarship monies. Nature of the beast to not be honest or forthcoming. So many should think when the child is assuming loans at 45,000 + to play a game. Rather it be academics then lax.


Amen. I also have a nephew at UVa on a whopping $900 a year scholarship, and he saw the field some last year. Petro just added another 2017. It is not believable all these top recruits are getting top recruit money, and so be it to go to a good school like Hop. My next question is if you are the coach at a certain Bmore school with initials JHU and you overpromising money to 2017s, what happens later? Does he just drop reality on kids and say I am mot starting you out at 60%, I still want you but I can only give you 15%? Just play great and I will dial you up to 50% plus, but not happening now. If you need to de-commit I will release you from my list with a positive reference in case anyone asks. Happens. Believe me, it happens.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/25/14 05:46 PM

Can a coach offer in-state tuition for an out-of-state student-athlete and not count as a scholarship?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/25/14 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Majority of people lie even when the truth has been announced about scholarship monies. Nature of the beast to not be honest or forthcoming. So many should think when the child is assuming loans at 45,000 + to play a game. Rather it be academics then lax.


You can believe what you like. I know the $$ my son is getting. Hes committed to a top 20 D1 program.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/25/14 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can a coach offer in-state tuition for an out-of-state student-athlete and not count as a scholarship?


No, that would be fraudulent. There are some tricks for applicants...at some state schools if your parent(s) went you are counted as in-state. If you are military there are some GI bill exceptions to make your kid in state. If you are a resident of Wash DC you are not in a state and there is a law stating DC residents get in state tuition at any US state college. Otherwise, to pull that off you'd have to host family your kid in another state or move there. There are examples of people on VA side going to MD or vice versa to save tuition dollars because it is local move.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/25/14 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Majority of people lie even when the truth has been announced about scholarship monies. Nature of the beast to not be honest or forthcoming. So many should think when the child is assuming loans at 45,000 + to play a game. Rather it be academics then lax.


You can believe what you like. I know the $$ my son is getting. Hes committed to a top 20 D1 program.


The topper is back. Who wrote "nobody gets more than $5K"? Some kids get a decent %s but very very few. Rest are Daddy liars. The point is that lacrosse money stinks relative to football. Money in every sport stinks compared to football.

Here is some humble pie tough guy. Some day when your kid arrives on campus he will sit down for training table meals near male cheerleaders. That's right, male cheerleaders. All of the male cheerleaders at BCS conference schools are on FULL SCHOLARSHIP. Now, go be really bitter about that for the next seven years. Every male cheerleader has a better deal than every lacrosse player.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/25/14 07:18 PM

I think the really Smart athletes know to concentrate on ACADEMICS- which can actually help provide a better future, collegiately & professionally.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/26/14 11:41 AM

When do the 2015s, 2016s or 2017s get their Likely Letters from Admissions. In the summer just ahead of or early fall of Senior year? That is the way it works for other Likely Letter receivers, academic or athletic targeted kids. Or does it come earlier because lacrosse is an early recruiting sport? Just asking if anyone knows.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/27/14 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
When do the 2015s, 2016s or 2017s get their Likely Letters from Admissions. In the summer just ahead of or early fall of Senior year? That is the way it works for other Likely Letter receivers, academic or athletic targeted kids. Or does it come earlier because lacrosse is an early recruiting sport? Just asking if anyone knows.


Early commit does not change the sequence of a likely
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/27/14 02:53 AM

What was talent like at Express tryouts tonight?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/27/14 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was talent like at Express tryouts tonight?



We passed on express tryout last night. But I bet talent level and numbers down.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/27/14 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was talent like at Express tryouts tonight?



We passed on express tryout last night. But I bet talent level and numbers down.


Talent was very good and over 80 2017 players there. More than last years rising sophomore
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/27/14 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was talent like at Express tryouts tonight?



We passed on express tryout last night. But I bet talent level and numbers down.


Talent was very good and over 80 2017 players there. More than last years rising sophomore


I'm sure Turtles stole the show.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/27/14 03:51 PM

Checked out someone's recco for @angrylaxmom on twitter yesterday. Pretty funny stuff and I can speak for quite a few when I say I can absolutely relate to the tweets... Funny stuff, keep it up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/27/14 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Checked out someone's recco for @angrylaxmom on twitter yesterday. Pretty funny stuff and I can speak for quite a few when I say I can absolutely relate to the tweets... Funny stuff, keep it up.


Ya think?!?! We can all relate!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/27/14 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was talent like at Express tryouts tonight?



We passed on express tryout last night. But I bet talent level and numbers down.


Talent was very good and over 80 2017 players there. More than last years rising sophomore


I'm sure Turtles stole the show.


No Turtles in sight. They were not in attendance
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/27/14 07:33 PM

All catholic school kids?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/27/14 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
All catholic school kids?


How many Catholic school kids are on turtles?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/28/14 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


No Turtles in sight. They were not in attendance


The Turtles don't try out for the express it's a invite only team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/28/14 01:37 PM

The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/28/14 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.


It's because the 2017 Express "A" team is actually the B team and the turtles are the A team in the program. The 2017 "A" team is almost entirely kids from Chaminade, St Anthony's, and Kellenberg.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/28/14 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All catholic school kids?


How many Catholic school kids are on turtles?



Chaminade-
2 Defense
1 Middie

St.Ant-
1 Goalie
1 LSM
1 Middie

Grand total of 6.
I think 5 of the 6 are committed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/28/14 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


No Turtles in sight. They were not in attendance


The Turtles don't try out for the express it's a invite only team.


False. The turtles always tried out for Express. Always. Saw it with my own eyes for years. Now, why they weren't at the tryout is another question.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/28/14 02:34 PM

Please know the situation before you speak. The Turtles took Express's best attackman and their best defenseman. Their best middie broke his collarbone in the first tournament of the year and their 2nd best middie (the UNC commit) wasn't able to make any of the tournaments (not sure why). If you take the 4 best players off of any team I'm pretty sure they will not be as good. Considering the circumstances the team played pretty well this summer against top competition...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/28/14 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All catholic school kids?


How many Catholic school kids are on turtles?



Chaminade-
2 Defense
1 Middie

St.Ant-
1 Goalie
1 LSM
1 Middie

Grand total of 6.
I think 5 of the 6 are committed.


missing a attack-man from Chaminade
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/28/14 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please know the situation before you speak. The Turtles took Express's best attackman and their best defenseman. Their best middie broke his collarbone in the first tournament of the year and their 2nd best middie (the UNC commit) wasn't able to make any of the tournaments (not sure why). If you take the 4 best players off of any team I'm pretty sure they will not be as good. Considering the circumstances the team played pretty well this summer against top competition...
Honestly they are weak. All teams go through personnel changes and injuries each year. Can't compete with Dukes, Crabs, 3D National, Leading Edge, Patriot, etc. at thsi point.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/28/14 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please know the situation before you speak. The Turtles took Express's best attackman and their best defenseman. Their best middie broke his collarbone in the first tournament of the year and their 2nd best middie (the UNC commit) wasn't able to make any of the tournaments (not sure why). If you take the 4 best players off of any team I'm pretty sure they will not be as good. Considering the circumstances the team played pretty well this summer against top competition...
Honestly they are weak. All teams go through personnel changes and injuries each year. Can't compete with Dukes, Crabs, 3D National, Leading Edge, Patriot, etc. at thsi point.


Yeah ok, nice try
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/28/14 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.


Do you feel better about yourself now...ha ha what a comment - class...look it up
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/28/14 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.


Do you feel better about yourself now...ha ha what a comment - class...look it up


Truth hurts. Look at their record this summer. Putrid.
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/28/14 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.


Do you feel better about yourself now...ha ha what a comment - class...look it up


Guess you didn't see them up in Lake Placid where they made it to the finals undefeated until losing to Sweetlax
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/28/14 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.


Do you feel better about yourself now...ha ha what a comment - class...look it up


Truth hurts. Look at their record this summer. Putrid.


You Sir or Ma'am need to seek anger management or counseling or both. You are commenting about 15yr old young adults. Do you honestly believe making such comments is helpful in any way; except to in some twisted way I bet, make yourself feel better? Take a deep breath, I think in time and some maturation on your part, you will see these comments are nothing but hurtful and shameful, and really a poor reflection on you and your family.
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/28/14 08:30 PM

Dean Vernon Wormer: The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/29/14 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.


Do you feel better about yourself now...ha ha what a comment - class...look it up


Truth hurts. Look at their record this summer. Putrid.


Taking anonymous shots at kids - what a toolbag!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/29/14 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.


Do you feel better about yourself now...ha ha what a comment - class...look it up


Truth hurts. Look at their record this summer. Putrid.


You Sir or Ma'am need to seek anger management or counseling or both. You are commenting about 15yr old young adults. Do you honestly believe making such comments is helpful in any way; except to in some twisted way I bet, make yourself feel better? Take a deep breath, I think in time and some maturation on your part, you will see these comments are nothing but hurtful and shameful, and really a poor reflection on you and your family.


Oh yeah? You don't know my family, so I'll clean it up a little for you. SUCKED.
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/29/14 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


No Turtles in sight. They were not in attendance


The Turtles don't try out for the express it's a invite only team.


False. The turtles always tried out for Express. Always. Saw it with my own eyes for years. Now, why they weren't at the tryout is another question.

tried out? or showed up for try outs?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/29/14 02:16 AM

Boon: I gotta work on my game.
Otter: No, no, no, don't think of it as work. The whole point is just to enjoy yourself
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/29/14 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All catholic school kids?


How many Catholic school kids are on turtles?



Chaminade-
2 Defense
1 Middie

St.Ant-
1 Goalie
1 LSM
1 Middie

Grand total of 6.
I think 5 of the 6 are committed.


missing a attack-man from Chaminade


Rooney: In 1966, Everyone graduated from St. Basil's, except me.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/29/14 02:43 AM

The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went to finals in two tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/29/14 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went to finals in two tournaments.


Also the first reclassified. Might as well be totally transparent about that commit.
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/29/14 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went to finals in two tournaments.


Please clarify the best.
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/29/14 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went to finals in two tournaments.


LOL. Did you see either of them at your tryout tonight or Monday? NO. Go to the the Turtle website and you will see their names and where they committed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/29/14 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went to finals in two tournaments.




Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/29/14 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went



Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!


UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/29/14 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went



Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!


UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!




You're right. Should've said "in addition to" unc. And I'm talking top 5
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/29/14 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went



Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!


UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!




You're right. Should've said "in addition to" unc. And I'm talking top 5
top 5 academically or lax wise ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/30/14 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went



Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!


UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!




You're right. Should've said "in addition to" unc. And I'm talking top 5
top 5 academically or lax wise ?


That is a totally ridiculous question. Would you pick a top 5 lax over a top 5 academic in ANY situation that you were considering to let your son commit to?

If so; please do reveal the lax over academic school you would consider.

We all need a laugh
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/30/14 05:30 AM

I would take UMBC and Wagner over those Ivies any day.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/30/14 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went



Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!


UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!




You're right. Should've said "in addition to" unc. And I'm talking top 5
top 5 academically or lax wise ?


That is a totally ridiculous question. Would you pick a top 5 lax over a top 5 academic in ANY situation that you were considering to let your son commit to?

If so; please do reveal the lax over academic school you would consider.

We all need a laugh


"Let"? Mr. Top 5. A bit of advise for you. You had better "let" your son who earned these choices commit to the school he's most happy with. All your rankings will mean absolutely ZERO when after the first two weeks he says "come get me I hate it here". Happens all too often. He then goes to NCC college and you're there scratching your head saying "I don't know who this happened". Well it happens when overbearing parents won't "let" their son go where he wants. Don't get so wrapped up in rankings and top this and top that. Foolishness at best!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/30/14 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would take UMBC and Wagner over those Ivies any day.


I'm sure the people whom have kids that went to (or are headed to) UMBC or Wagner appreciate your smart [lacrosse] sarcastic insulting comments. You are a sh*thead.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/30/14 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went



Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!


UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!




You're right. Should've said "in addition to" unc. And I'm talking top 5
top 5 academically or lax wise ?


That is a totally ridiculous question. Would you pick a top 5 lax over a top 5 academic in ANY situation that you were considering to let your son commit to?

If so; please do reveal the lax over academic school you would consider.

We all need a laugh


"Let"? Mr. Top 5. A bit of advise for you. You had better "let" your son who earned these choices commit to the school he's most happy with. All your rankings will mean absolutely ZERO when after the first two weeks he says "come get me I hate it here". Happens all too often. He then goes to NCC college and you're there scratching your head saying "I don't know who this happened". Well it happens when overbearing parents won't "let" their son go where he wants. Don't get so wrapped up in rankings and top this and top that. Foolishness at best!


Point taken.

Counterpoint; with your position; then as a parent I should "let" my son decide if drugs are a good thing to experiment with. Let him decide if DWI is something he should try for himself.,etc...... Ad nauseum. ...because it would make him happy?

As a parent, I will "guide" him to a decision that will "let" him have the best opportunity for his future. Personally, I do no think a less than top 10 school, if he is offered, is a poor choice. I do feel that picking a school where most of the student body majors in BEER and is a good or premier lax school is a poor choice and would not "let" him come to a conclusion that it was.

Did you "let" your son play in traffic because it would make him happy, or did you guide him and teach him what was a better choice.

I will "let" my son pick the school he wants; and based on his preferences that I have helped to shape as good examples; I am sure he won't end up at NCC.

If he did however land there; he will make the best of it and I will "let " him make choices that are constant with a positive direction in life.

Foolishness? I think not. Letting him make "happy" choices without a concrete foundation?....absolute foolishness.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 08/31/14 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would take UMBC and Wagner over those Ivies any day.


I'm sure the people whom have kids that went to (or are headed to) UMBC or Wagner appreciate your smart [lacrosse] sarcastic insulting comments. You are a sh*thead.


Well you are right about the smart [lacrosse] sarcastic comments, but you failed to see I was being facetious and not insulting to Wagner or UMBC. I was directing it to the few Thurston Howell the Thirds on here who think if you don't get into an Ivy or at least Duke you will be a failure in life. In the future please address me as Mr.Sh*thead.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/02/14 04:30 AM

Any one heard from the Express on the 2017 teams yet? Who will be coaching and how many teams etc.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/02/14 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any one heard from the Express on the 2017 teams yet? Who will be coaching and how many teams etc.

Yes 2017 invites are out.
Team 1 - Scheiber
Team 2 - Moran
Team 3 - do not know
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/02/14 01:14 PM

Team 3 - Pomponio
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/03/14 12:12 AM

Do we know if one of the teams for 2017 is going to be a committed team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/03/14 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went



Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!


UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!




You're right. Should've said "in addition to" unc. And I'm talking top 5
top 5 academically or lax wise ?


News flash - UNC not top 5 in either category. When was the last time UNC did anything in mens lax? A collection of decent players, but not a team. Amazing the coach wasn't fired a long time ago.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/03/14 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do we know if one of the teams for 2017 is going to be a committed team?


LOL. How many committed players you have? You have three correct? 2 middie (UNC) & (Cornell) and 1 Defensive player (Cornell). All 3 players are held back. Who else you have committed?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/03/14 10:56 AM

Just because you committed early doesn't mean you're the best player. There are a lot of great players that are not committed. Early commits came from the parents who it. Committing later is more secure. Remember you have to get accepted first
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/03/14 01:53 PM

Coaches are under pressure to win, and to win you need to recruit well. So the coaches are compelled to go earlier and earlier to keep up with recruiting. I am not asserting facts about these early deals, 4 year guarantees, calling anyone a liar, etc. But the bottom line is if a coach wants a 9th or 10th grader today he will say and promise anything, and for the first year he will honor it. If the kid can't play when he gets there, the deal is he will change the deal and put that money into players he needs to keep on the field to win. Early verbal kids don't develop, don't work hard, arrive with a sense of entitlement and don't perform they will lose their status and some of their scholarship to the kids who earn the playing spots ahead of them. Nothing wrong with taking an early deal or securing a spot that is going away to a good school, that is what lacrosse offers and the families should take it. Just saying that there are cautionary tales out there in every major program. IL ranked HS kid who has career stats of getting in one game and picking up a couple ground balls during a blowout.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/03/14 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because you committed early doesn't mean you're the best player. There are a lot of great players that are not committed. Early commits came from the parents who it. Committing later is more secure. Remember you have to get accepted first


Early commits aren't EARLY anymore! There are about 135 2017 committed already, so end that weak old line.

I agree that just because you commit early doesn't mean your the BEST player, but it does mean your one of the BETTER players.

You are completely WRONG that "great" players aren't committed already. Sure, there are late bloomers and schools leave a couple of slots open for them but its not common.

And I forgot, the NCAA coaches do whatever Mom & Dad say in regards to offering the kid a spot on their roster! LMAO, wake up!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/03/14 04:28 PM

If your kid committed early....great. Why argue on here? Good luck to the families that did. Waste of time debating the topic. Each case is different. Enjoy your own experience!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/03/14 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because you committed early doesn't mean you're the best player. There are a lot of great players that are not committed. Early commits came from the parents who it. Committing later is more secure. Remember you have to get accepted first


Early commits aren't EARLY anymore! There are about 135 2017 committed already, so end that weak old line.

I agree that just because you commit early doesn't mean your the BEST player, but it does mean your one of the BETTER players.

You are completely WRONG that "great" players aren't committed already. Sure, there are late bloomers and schools leave a couple of slots open for them but its not common.

And I forgot, the NCAA coaches do whatever Mom & Dad say in regards to offering the kid a spot on their roster! LMAO, wake up!!!!!


Some committed players are certainly the best, at least now, some are players coaches are taking a gamble on. If 135 2017s are committed to D1 right now, and each of the 67 DI schools takes 8 kids per class (many take more) that is a total of 536 total that will play D1 for 2017. What that means is that there are still 400+ spots available.

I am a bit surprised that some of the players we know who are committed are skipping top club play. It seems like it is important to keep working out and playing at the top level to ensure you get on the field when you start college. I understand why they would skip showcase events, but club tourneys seem important. Most varsity seasons have a handful of competitive games and that is not enough to stay sharp.
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/04/14 01:38 AM

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Long Island representing well!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/04/14 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because you committed early doesn't mean you're the best player. There are a lot of great players that are not committed. Early commits came from the parents who it. Committing later is more secure. Remember you have to get accepted first


Early commits aren't EARLY anymore! There are about 135 2017 committed already, so end that weak old line.

I agree that just because you commit early doesn't mean your the BEST player, but it does mean your one of the BETTER players.

You are completely WRONG that "great" players aren't committed already. Sure, there are late bloomers and schools leave a couple of slots open for them but its not common.

And I forgot, the NCAA coaches do whatever Mom & Dad say in regards to offering the kid a spot on their roster! LMAO, wake up!!!!!


Some committed players are certainly the best, at least now, some are players coaches are taking a gamble on. If 135 2017s are committed to D1 right now, and each of the 67 DI schools takes 8 kids per class (many take more) that is a total of 536 total that will play D1 for 2017. What that means is that there are still 400+ spots available.

I am a bit surprised that some of the players we know who are committed are skipping top club play. It seems like it is important to keep working out and playing at the top level to ensure you get on the field when you start college. I understand why they would skip showcase events, but club tourneys seem important. Most varsity seasons have a handful of competitive games and that is not enough to stay sharp.


Agree....

Early commit just means the hard work just started. Now more than ever; these kids cannot afford to rest on their laurels.

They need to Hone those skills at both the highest level of club and HS games that they can
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/04/14 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do we know if one of the teams for 2017 is going to be a committed team?


Yes. The team is called the Turtles.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/04/14 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any one heard from the Express on the 2017 teams yet? Who will be coaching and how many teams etc.

Yes 2017 invites are out.
Team 1 - Scheiber
Team 2 - Moran
Team 3 - do not know


Damn the Express has 4 2017 teams this year. No way all 4 are competitive.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/04/14 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any one heard from the Express on the 2017 teams yet? Who will be coaching and how many teams etc.

Yes 2017 invites are out.
Team 1 - Scheiber
Team 2 - Moran
Team 3 - do not know


Damn the Express has 4 2017 teams this year. No way all 4 are competitive.


Ok, I'll bite. I only see 3 teams for 2017 with Express.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/04/14 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any one heard from the Express on the 2017 teams yet? Who will be coaching and how many teams etc.

Yes 2017 invites are out.
Team 1 - Scheiber
Team 2 - Moran
Team 3 - do not know


Damn the Express has 4 2017 teams this year. No way all 4 are competitive.


Ok, I'll bite. I only see 3 teams for 2017 with Express.


Duh, Turtles.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/04/14 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any one heard from the Express on the 2017 teams yet? Who will be coaching and how many teams etc.

Yes 2017 invites are out.
Team 1 - Scheiber
Team 2 - Moran
Team 3 - do not know


Damn the Express has 4 2017 teams this year. No way all 4 are competitive.


Ok, I'll bite. I only see 3 teams for 2017 with Express.


Turtles aren't listed there because they are invite only.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/04/14 12:44 PM

I cannot believe this is a forum for adults. The way the posters speak to each other is disgusting. Is this how you are raising your children to be? If so I hope my children never meet yours! These boys are feeling enough pressure and don't need the added rudeness of parents.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/04/14 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I cannot believe this is a forum for adults. The way the posters speak to each other is disgusting. Is this how you are raising your children to be? If so I hope my children never meet yours! These boys are feeling enough pressure and don't need the added rudeness of parents.


Welcome to Long Island!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/04/14 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because you committed early doesn't mean you're the best player. There are a lot of great players that are not committed. Early commits came from the parents who it. Committing later is more secure. Remember you have to get accepted first


Early commits aren't EARLY anymore! There are about 135 2017 committed already, so end that weak old line.

I agree that just because you commit early doesn't mean your the BEST player, but it does mean your one of the BETTER players.

You are completely WRONG that "great" players aren't committed already. Sure, there are late bloomers and schools leave a couple of slots open for them but its not common.

And I forgot, the NCAA coaches do whatever Mom & Dad say in regards to offering the kid a spot on their roster! LMAO, wake up!!!!!


They're "Wrong that "great" payers aren't committed already"? That statement is ridiculous! Have you thought that maybe some players are taking their time in the process? Some families have been through the process in the past and know it takes more that just an offer from a great lax school to keep a kid happy for the next 7 years (3 left in HS). Very happy for you and your child for making a very big decision so quickly and apparently being so confident in it. But, please don't be so quick to put down other kids (& they are kids) for not being so certain. And before you make an obnoxious comment regarding my kid not being good enough to have any offers yet, you're wrong! Some great offers (& they're willing to wait) and more opportunities being researched. In the end, they will all end up where they belong.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/04/14 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any one heard from the Express on the 2017 teams yet? Who will be coaching and how many teams etc.

Yes 2017 invites are out.
Team 1 - Scheiber
Team 2 - Moran
Team 3 - do not know


Damn the Express has 4 2017 teams this year. No way all 4 are competitive.


Ok, I'll bite. I only see 3 teams for 2017 with Express.


Duh, Turtles.


Turtles still with Exp.?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/04/14 03:51 PM

Tripper: You must be the short depressed kid we ordered.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/06/14 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because you committed early doesn't mean you're the best player. There are a lot of great players that are not committed. Early commits came from the parents who it. Committing later is more secure. Remember you have to get accepted first


Early commits aren't EARLY anymore! There are about 135 2017 committed already, so end that weak old line.

I agree that just because you commit early doesn't mean your the BEST player, but it does mean your one of the BETTER players.

You are completely WRONG that "great" players aren't committed already. Sure, there are late bloomers and schools leave a couple of slots open for them but its not common.

And I forgot, the NCAA coaches do whatever Mom & Dad say in regards to offering the kid a spot on their roster! LMAO, wake up!!!!!


They're "Wrong that "great" payers aren't committed already"? That statement is ridiculous! Have you thought that maybe some players are taking their time in the process? Some families have been through the process in the past and know it takes more that just an offer from a great lax school to keep a kid happy for the next 7 years (3 left in HS). Very happy for you and your child for making a very big decision so quickly and apparently being so confident in it. But, please don't be so quick to put down other kids (& they are kids) for not being so certain. And before you make an obnoxious comment regarding my kid not being good enough to have any offers yet, you're wrong! Some great offers (& they're willing to wait) and more opportunities being researched. In the end, they will all end up where they belong.

We have a kid who was a very early commit. We were very happy as it took a lot of pressure off from the recruiting.He has focused on school and is doing well. It was a real blessing. So it worked out well for us. On the other hand We had another kid who had to go through the whole recruiting process. It was more stressful but we did find the right school. I think every situation is different. Also I think parents and kids really need to understand the commitment necessary to be a D1 student athlete . It consumes the kids life at school and is a real eye opener. My advice is to consider both D! and D3 carefully
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/06/14 10:59 PM

Clark Griswald: I don't give a frogs fat [lacrosse] who went through what. We need money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/07/14 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went



Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!


UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!




You're right. Should've said "in addition to" unc. And I'm talking top 5
top 5 academically or lax wise ?


News flash - UNC not top 5 in either category. When was the last time UNC did anything in mens lax? A collection of decent players, but not a team. Amazing the coach wasn't fired a long time ago.



Person states; "A collection of decent players, but not a team." Yeah, we've seen how that plays out. Nosedive!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/07/14 11:51 AM

Just a question: why not d2? No one ever seems to mention d2. Wondering why?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/07/14 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just a question: why not d2? No one ever seems to mention d2. Wondering why?


Nothing wrong with D2 but D3 has better talent, higher level of play, better schools.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/07/14 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just a question: why not d2? No one ever seems to mention d2. Wondering why?


It is all about the quality of the education
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/07/14 06:47 PM

Jeff Spicoli: Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 12:07 AM

Team 91 2017 try outs day one was today. Unbelievable level of talent showed up and man did these kids go at it!! Dare I say level of intensity was on par with Maverick showcase (seems like half of them were there anyway)

Non stop action on three fields culminating in a sick scrimmage with real refs.

Had to be no less than 25 evaluators

Next week will be crazy. (When did the 2017's get so damned big , anyway?)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 12:21 AM

Yes I was very impressed with 91 today.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 2017 try outs day one was today. Unbelievable level of talent showed up and man did these kids go at it!! Dare I say level of intensity was on par with Maverick showcase (seems like half of them were there anyway)

Non stop action on three fields culminating in a sick scrimmage with real refs.

Had to be no less than 25 evaluators

Next week will be crazy. (When did the 2017's get so damned big , anyway?)


Where, OH WHERE are ALL these great Long Island players in 2017 coming from that 91 needed 3 fields because there was SO MUCH amazing talent was there? God must have sent them from the lacrosse heavens, and they have all GRAVITATED to Coach Mule'!! Funny stuff.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 2017 try outs day one was today. Unbelievable level of talent showed up and man did these kids go at it!! Dare I say level of intensity was on par with Maverick showcase (seems like half of them were there anyway)

Non stop action on three fields culminating in a sick scrimmage with real refs.

Had to be no less than 25 evaluators

Next week will be crazy. (When did the 2017's get so damned big , anyway?)

I saw one of the better 91 players trying out at the Predators.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 2017 try outs day one was today. Unbelievable level of talent showed up and man did these kids go at it!! Dare I say level of intensity was on par with Maverick showcase (seems like half of them were there anyway)

Non stop action on three fields culminating in a sick scrimmage with real refs.

Had to be no less than 25 evaluators

Next week will be crazy. (When did the 2017's get so damned big , anyway?)


Where, OH WHERE are ALL these great Long Island players in 2017 coming from that 91 needed 3 fields because there was SO MUCH amazing talent was there? God must have sent them from the lacrosse heavens, and they have all GRAVITATED to Coach Mule'!! Funny stuff.



Cute

Actually, many from non Long Island areas.

Bring your kid next Sunday. Let's see what he has. Not gonna hang with this crowd.

This is why 91 didn't have to hurry up and try to sign anyone early and demand money the next day.... They knew the best were showing up.

Now go sit on the bench by your self...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 2017 try outs day one was today. Unbelievable level of talent showed up and man did these kids go at it!! Dare I say level of intensity was on par with Maverick showcase (seems like half of them were there anyway)

Non stop action on three fields culminating in a sick scrimmage with real refs.

Had to be no less than 25 evaluators

Next week will be crazy. (When did the 2017's get so damned big , anyway?)


Where, OH WHERE are ALL these great Long Island players in 2017 coming from that 91 needed 3 fields because there was SO MUCH amazing talent was there? God must have sent them from the lacrosse heavens, and they have all GRAVITATED to Coach Mule'!! Funny stuff.



Cute

Actually, many from non Long Island areas.

Bring your kid next Sunday. Let's see what he has. Not gonna hang with this crowd.

This is why 91 didn't have to hurry up and try to sign anyone early and demand money the next day.... They knew the best were showing up.

Now go sit on the bench by your self...


Not sooooo fast young lady! My kid wont be at your 91 tryout or any other for the matter. Hes been ALL set for quite some time, locked & loaded! Thanks anyway, you can buy that load of hogwash JM is selling you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 2017 try outs day one was today. Unbelievable level of talent showed up and man did these kids go at it!! Dare I say level of intensity was on par with Maverick showcase (seems like half of them were there anyway)

Non stop action on three fields culminating in a sick scrimmage with real refs.

Had to be no less than 25 evaluators

Next week will be crazy. (When did the 2017's get so damned big , anyway?)


Where, OH WHERE are ALL these great Long Island players in 2017 coming from that 91 needed 3 fields because there was SO MUCH amazing talent was there? God must have sent them from the lacrosse heavens, and they have all GRAVITATED to Coach Mule'!! Funny stuff.



Cute

Actually, many from non Long Island areas.

Bring your kid next Sunday. Let's see what he has. Not gonna hang with this crowd.

This is why 91 didn't have to hurry up and try to sign anyone early and demand money the next day.... They knew the best were showing up.

Now go sit on the bench by your self...


Not sooooo fast young lady! My kid wont be at your 91 tryout or any other for the matter. Hes been ALL set for quite some time, locked & loaded! Thanks anyway, you can buy that load of hogwash JM is selling you.


Coming from a daddy whose kid must not have made it on 91 and had to settle for MC and his version of Jones Town beverages.

Where oh where did they come from?? How about nine different states represented.
Big fast and hungry wanting to be on a real team loaded with D1 commits.

Isn't this how it went at the mighty Long Island American Expre$$.

What's that I hear from your camp? How many commits minus your turtles?

Oh...that sound was cleats beating pavement as fast as they could from the promised team A, no AA, NO and B but sometimes C.....

I thought so.

And get your non military head out of your [lacrosse]. The term is "loaded and locked" if you've ever actually served instead of watching John Wayne movies.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 01:39 PM

any see the Inside lacrosse rising sophs list?
it is out today?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 01:54 PM

91 is an awesome team, if you want to play with great players and a great coach, but just don't want to win games. wait that makes no sense....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Team 91 2017 try outs day one was today. Unbelievable level of talent showed up and man did these kids go at it!! Dare I say level of intensity was on par with Maverick showcase (seems like half of them were there anyway)

Non stop action on three fields culminating in a sick scrimmage with real refs.

Had to be no less than 25 evaluators

Next week will be crazy. (When did the 2017's get so damned big , anyway?)


Where, OH WHERE are ALL these great Long Island players in 2017 coming from that 91 needed 3 fields because there was SO MUCH amazing talent was there? God must have sent them from the lacrosse heavens, and they have all GRAVITATED to Coach Mule'!! Funny stuff.



Cute

Actually, many from non Long Island areas.

Bring your kid next Sunday. Let's see what he has. Not gonna hang with this crowd.

This is why 91 didn't have to hurry up and try to sign anyone early and demand money the next day.... They knew the best were showing up.

Now go sit on the bench by your self...


Not sooooo fast young lady! My kid wont be at your 91 tryout or any other for the matter. Hes been ALL set for quite some time, locked & loaded! Thanks anyway, you can buy that load of hogwash JM is selling you.


Coming from a daddy whose kid must not have made it on 91 and had to settle for MC and his version of Jones Town beverages.

Where oh where did they come from?? How about nine different states represented.
Big fast and hungry wanting to be on a real team loaded with D1 commits.

Isn't this how it went at the mighty Long Island American Expre$$.

What's that I hear from your camp? How many commits minus your turtles?

Oh...that sound was cleats beating pavement as fast as they could from the promised team A, no AA, NO and B but sometimes C.....

I thought so.

And get your non military head out of your [lacrosse]. The term is "loaded and locked" if you've ever actually served instead of watching John Wayne movies. [/quote

9 States!? LMFAO. is 91 now partnered with UBER Chopper to get kids to practice 8 states away
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 03:12 PM

Now that his son committed JM doesnt care about that team, he is on to his next son. Don't waste your time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 03:42 PM

looks like 5 boys on the top 25 and 9 boys on the watch list.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 03:51 PM

Top 25. Watch List

Desimone Cadigan
laviano Mule
Trangredi Avanzato
Keogh Coan
Cuccurullo Cronin
Snyder
Chmil
Mooney
Cirella


seems like a lot of non- Long Islanders on the lists.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 04:02 PM

very few non- Turtles on those IL Lists.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 04:07 PM

Did he ever REALLY care about the team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 25. Watch List

Desimone Cadigan
laviano Mule
Trangredi Avanzato
Keogh Coan
Cuccurullo Cronin
Snyder
Chmil
Mooney
Cirella


seems like a lot of non- Long Islanders on the lists.


7 out of 14 are Turtles is that right? That is assuming the rumors are true that Laviano went back to them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 04:45 PM

Yes he does, several boys have vc and more coming.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
very few non- Turtles on those IL Lists.


It's easy to get on those lists. Have a sleep over or two for Ty at you fancy house on Long Island with Joe Desimone and somehow your entire team will be ranked
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 25. Watch List

Desimone Cadigan
laviano Mule
Trangredi Avanzato
Keogh Coan
Cuccurullo Cronin
Snyder
Chmil
Mooney
Cirella


seems like a lot of non- Long Islanders on the lists.


How many actually ranked (top 25?)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very few non- Turtles on those IL Lists.


It's easy to get on those lists. Have a sleep over or two for Ty at you fancy house on Long Island with Joe Desimone and somehow your entire team will be ranked


Doc. Move away from the computer and go back to the operating room. PS there's no need to post anonymously anymore, we all know.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 08:12 PM



All Turtles in Top 25.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 08:19 PM

McMurphy: I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 09:23 PM

Have Maverik Showtime invites been sent out yet for 2017s for this upcoming summer?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous



All Turtles in Top 25.


NOT!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/08/14 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


All Turtles in Top 25.


Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/09/14 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


All Turtles in Top 25.


Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!


I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/09/14 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have Maverik Showtime invites been sent out yet for 2017s for this upcoming summer?
Anybody know?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/09/14 02:58 PM

second name on the list- what club & HS?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/09/14 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


All Turtles in Top 25.


Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!


I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.


Where is this list to be found?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/09/14 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


All Turtles in Top 25.


Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!


I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.


Where is this list to be found?


In the posters head lol
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/09/14 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


All Turtles in Top 25.


Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!


I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.


Where is this list to be found?


In the posters head lol


The list can be found on IL's most recent issue in the article listing their "Top 25 Young Gun Sophomores." By my count 5 of the 25 were Turtles (past or present). Additionally, 3 Turtles made the additional "watch list." Pretty impressive.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/09/14 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


All Turtles in Top 25.


Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!


I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.


Where is this list to be found?


In the posters head lol


I think we are talking about the Inside Lacrosse rankings that were released yesterday. Many turtle boys not on that list (top 25 are ranked)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/09/14 10:01 PM

Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/09/14 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


All Turtles in Top 25.


Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!


I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.


Where is this list to be found?


In the posters head lol


The list can be found on IL's most recent issue in the article listing their "Top 25 Young Gun Sophomores." By my count 5 of the 25 were Turtles (past or present). Additionally, 3 Turtles made the additional "watch list." Pretty impressive.


By my count 4 are Smithtown products - Desimone, Cucurrullo, and Caddigan (smithtown west). Tangredi played in Smithtown up until 8th grade and now is Chaminade. Pretty impressive.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16


Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


All Turtles in Top 25.


Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!


I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.


Where is this list to be found?


In the posters head lol


The list can be found on IL's most recent issue in the article listing their "Top 25 Young Gun Sophomores." By my count 5 of the 25 were Turtles (past or present). Additionally, 3 Turtles made the additional "watch list." Pretty impressive.


I thought there would be more Turtles than that. Many underrated players on that team, saw them at Crabfest this past Summer. Much fun to watch.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16


Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater


Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16


Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater


Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.


Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16


Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater


Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.


Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.


Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16


Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater


Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.


Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.


Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!


Yeah he doesn't hide that fact, I didn't get a chance to look at DOB of those on that 3D list, but there was talk a while ago that Munro son is TWO years older (now 17 years old).

As far as DOB's, people LIE all the time just like they prob did on this 3D Top 30 LIst because you do not need to show a actual DOB. For those who don't know, the only time you need to show a DOB is or a US Lacrosse National event (ala u11, u13, u15 etc.).

The 3d Top 30 is funny, GO BLUE! They are everywhere on Coach Ryan D's Top 30. Our son isn't committed to Michigan and SOMEHOW he made the top 30 for 3D list! lol
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16


Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater


Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.


Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.


Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!
Daddy is also a former D1 coach (University of Denver before Tiernny) so I guess coaches are fine with it if its good for them
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


All Turtles in Top 25.


Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!


I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.


Where is this list to be found?


In the posters head lol


The list can be found on IL's most recent issue in the article listing their "Top 25 Young Gun Sophomores." By my count 5 of the 25 were Turtles (past or present). Additionally, 3 Turtles made the additional "watch list." Pretty impressive.


I could not find the list on the IL website - could someone post a link? Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 12:31 PM

I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing. [/quote]

Where is this list to be found? [/quote]

In the posters head lol [/quote]

The list can be found on IL's most recent issue in the article listing their "Top 25 Young Gun Sophomores." By my count 5 of the 25 were Turtles (past or present). Additionally, 3 Turtles made the additional "watch list." Pretty impressive. [/quote]

I could not find the list on the IL website - could someone post a link? Thanks [/quote]

You need to have a subscription or purchase one issue in order to get access to the current issue and listings at present.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16


Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater


Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.


Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.


Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!



Wow! 5 of the top 10 on 3D list are already 16 - can't hack it in their own age group, sons of cheating parents.

no doubt these kids are good players, but in all fairness the attention and opportunities they have received comes with sneaky advantage their parents bought for them.

sad thing is that they very likely would have earned the attention of coaches had they stayed in their appropriate age group, but instead parents allow them to succeed at the expense of someone else. anyone ever think the the offers these kids get could rightfully go to a similarly talented player of appropriate age.

congrats mom and dad, you helped steal some 14-15 year boys scholarship opportunity. take from a hard working, skilled, dedicated, talented boy who does not cheat...shameful!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16


Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater


Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.


Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.


Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!



Wow! 5 of the top 10 on 3D list are already 16 - can't hack it in their own age group, sons of cheating parents.

no doubt these kids are good players, but in all fairness the attention and opportunities they have received comes with sneaky advantage their parents bought for them.

sad thing is that they very likely would have earned the attention of coaches had they stayed in their appropriate age group, but instead parents allow them to succeed at the expense of someone else. anyone ever think the the offers these kids get could rightfully go to a similarly talented player of appropriate age.

congrats mom and dad, you helped steal some 14-15 year boys scholarship opportunity. take from a hard working, skilled, dedicated, talented boy who does not cheat...shameful!


if you are involved in the 2017 class how is any of this a surprise to any of you? Written about time and time again...#horseisdeadalready
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16


Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater


Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.


Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.


Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!



Wow! 5 of the top 10 on 3D list are already 16 - can't hack it in their own age group, sons of cheating parents.

no doubt these kids are good players, but in all fairness the attention and opportunities they have received comes with sneaky advantage their parents bought for them.

sad thing is that they very likely would have earned the attention of coaches had they stayed in their appropriate age group, but instead parents allow them to succeed at the expense of someone else. anyone ever think the the offers these kids get could rightfully go to a similarly talented player of appropriate age.

congrats mom and dad, you helped steal some 14-15 year boys scholarship opportunity. take from a hard working, skilled, dedicated, talented boy who does not cheat...shameful!


It's only going to keep getting worse. Look at the Edge Canada team website. They advertise that their 2017 team is for top '98 born players. At least Munro went through the trouble of reclassifying, these guys are taking a whole team and dropping them down for tournaments, regardless of what grade they are in. It's becoming a joke, there are kids on those lists that are in grade 11 right now.
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16


Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater


Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.


Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.


Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!
Daddy is also a former D1 coach (University of Denver before Tiernny) so I guess coaches are fine with it if its good for them


Coaches don't care. Why should they? In fact, some might encourage it. If a kid is undersized or if a recruiting class is full, they might suggest a PG year. It's not against the rules (doubt it will ever be) and they want to put together the best team possible to win games and secure their positions. It's a business and livelihood. Just ask them.

PG has been the traditional route, but with recruiting getting younger the reclass conversation is now in the mix. Its everywhere. Just stand on the sidelines of a showcase or recruiting tournament and there's a good chance the topic will come up.

Maryland, Philly have led the way, but it's happening on LI now too. I have a family member who works at a LI private school (not Catholic) and they are seeing an increase in reclass interest. Here's the typical scenario; kid is at an elementary school, usually public, to eighth grade, they enroll in a private school repeating eighth grade with the goal of entering high school a year older for athletic reasons primarily, but it may help academically as well. Some target Chaminade, but others go public if they like their school district.

Bottom line, do what works best for your kid and family. The cream rises to the top. Work hard on game and academics and good things will follow.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16


Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater


Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.


Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.


Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!



Wow! 5 of the top 10 on 3D list are already 16 - can't hack it in their own age group, sons of cheating parents.

no doubt these kids are good players, but in all fairness the attention and opportunities they have received comes with sneaky advantage their parents bought for them.

sad thing is that they very likely would have earned the attention of coaches had they stayed in their appropriate age group, but instead parents allow them to succeed at the expense of someone else. anyone ever think the the offers these kids get could rightfully go to a similarly talented player of appropriate age.

congrats mom and dad, you helped steal some 14-15 year boys scholarship opportunity. take from a hard working, skilled, dedicated, talented boy who does not cheat...shameful!



You don't get it. The great lax schools don't want young freshman. Period. They take up space. Why wouldnt a coach want a full team of players instead of a developing freshman class. Don't blame the parents. Blame the system. It is what it is. And btw, these so called holdbacks were most likely talented (no matter what their age) enough to get college coaches attention.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16


Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater


Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.


Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.


Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!



Wow! 5 of the top 10 on 3D list are already 16 - can't hack it in their own age group, sons of cheating parents.

no doubt these kids are good players, but in all fairness the attention and opportunities they have received comes with sneaky advantage their parents bought for them.

sad thing is that they very likely would have earned the attention of coaches had they stayed in their appropriate age group, but instead parents allow them to succeed at the expense of someone else. anyone ever think the the offers these kids get could rightfully go to a similarly talented player of appropriate age.

congrats mom and dad, you helped steal some 14-15 year boys scholarship opportunity. take from a hard working, skilled, dedicated, talented boy who does not cheat...shameful!


The worst part for me is that daddy Munro is a very prominent figure in youth sports. Absolutely unbelievable. Ethics out the window.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 02:50 PM

Yes, it has and this is not new. Maybe lacrosse used to the niche sport where coaches went to the hotbeds areas to recruit players. It was easy. But the college landscape has changed and not just lacrosse. With common app came exponentially more college applications which created higher competition. Being recruited was a sure way for entrance into these elite schools. Also Lacrosse is no longer just a spring sport, it's year round. ICollege has fall ball, spring season and summer playing in tournaments. It is a full time job. and trust me when I say only the best and brightest student athletes survive. As a result of the growth of the sport, college coaches just don't have to wait for a player to mature. They just don't. Don't shoot the messenger but it is what it is. Stop blaming whomever and whatever and support you're child and his dreams. Most importantly are grades. Coaches notice this first and foremost. Regardless of talent if your kid has a 99 average coaches will notice IMMEDIATELY. CANT BLAME THAT ON ANYONE? Or do you blame all the kids that do have that with cheating because they have tutors and put academics first? If there is something to help you're child then do it. If his age is an issue then do something about it. There are options. But for the love of god, stop crying.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 03:05 PM

In the real money sports like basketball, football, and baseball when kids reclassify they somehow enter the next grade up so that they can get out of high school earlier. The #1 basketball player in the class of 2016 just did it and it's happening a lot now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 03:50 PM

Amen. People have to stop complaining about reclassified kids. There are plenty of reclassified kids on both those lists of top 2017's. Most college coaches preferred to take reclassified kids. Munro runs a very successful enterprise. He is not being hypocritical he will tell you to do the same thing that he did with his son. And it makes no difference because once they get the college they will be mixed with older kids who did postgraduate years red shirts etc. and you're either going to have to perform or you're going to have to sit on the bench. So in the Long run it really doesn't matter . Life is not fair. Some people look for advantages. You also notice that every guy who runs a lacrosse enterprise of one sort or another always manages to put their sons in great spots. That's just the way it is. Some people have businesses they can hand off to their children some people have great jobs that can allow them to place there's kids in great jobs. Other people have to do things the hard way. This is been going on since the beginning of time you have to stop complaining about it and move on
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes, it has and this is not new. Maybe lacrosse used to the niche sport where coaches went to the hotbeds areas to recruit players. It was easy. But the college landscape has changed and not just lacrosse. With common app came exponentially more college applications which created higher competition. Being recruited was a sure way for entrance into these elite schools. Also Lacrosse is no longer just a spring sport, it's year round. ICollege has fall ball, spring season and summer playing in tournaments. It is a full time job. and trust me when I say only the best and brightest student athletes survive. As a result of the growth of the sport, college coaches just don't have to wait for a player to mature. They just don't. Don't shoot the messenger but it is what it is. Stop blaming whomever and whatever and support you're child and his dreams. Most importantly are grades. Coaches notice this first and foremost. Regardless of talent if your kid has a 99 average coaches will notice IMMEDIATELY. CANT BLAME THAT ON ANYONE? Or do you blame all the kids that do have that with cheating because they have tutors and put academics first? If there is something to help you're child then do it. If his age is an issue then do something about it. There are options. But for the love of god, stop crying.


Some bank robbers & drug dealers support their kids with their efforts... is that ok too?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen. People have to stop complaining about reclassified kids. There are plenty of reclassified kids on both those lists of top 2017's. Most college coaches preferred to take reclassified kids. Munro runs a very successful enterprise. He is not being hypocritical he will tell you to do the same thing that he did with his son. And it makes no difference because once they get the college they will be mixed with older kids who did postgraduate years red shirts etc. and you're either going to have to perform or you're going to have to sit on the bench. So in the Long run it really doesn't matter . Life is not fair. Some people look for advantages. You also notice that every guy who runs a lacrosse enterprise of one sort or another always manages to put their sons in great spots. That's just the way it is. Some people have businesses they can hand off to their children some people have great jobs that can allow them to place there's kids in great jobs. Other people have to do things the hard way. This is been going on since the beginning of time you have to stop complaining about it and move on


Looks like you're right. Turtle star is heldback too if you look at birthdate. Should be in 11th
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 04:04 PM

What if you can't afford to hold your kid back ?? Grow the sport, go into the poor towns and give the kids equipment and training. Then hold your kid back so these other kids have even more of an disadvantage than before. HYPOCRITES!!! NOT ETHICAL!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 05:08 PM

On the IL list Top 25 and watch list only 14 Boys from Long Island. The sport is gaining in other areas now. Expect to see that number drop each year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen. People have to stop complaining about reclassified kids. There are plenty of reclassified kids on both those lists of top 2017's. Most college coaches preferred to take reclassified kids. Munro runs a very successful enterprise. He is not being hypocritical he will tell you to do the same thing that he did with his son. And it makes no difference because once they get the college they will be mixed with older kids who did postgraduate years red shirts etc. and you're either going to have to perform or you're going to have to sit on the bench. So in the Long run it really doesn't matter . Life is not fair. Some people look for advantages. You also notice that every guy who runs a lacrosse enterprise of one sort or another always manages to put their sons in great spots. That's just the way it is. Some people have businesses they can hand off to their children some people have great jobs that can allow them to place there's kids in great jobs. Other people have to do things the hard way. This is been going on since the beginning of time you have to stop complaining about it and move on


Looks like you're right. Turtle star is heldback too if you look at birthdate. Should be in 11th


Which one since they are all stars...?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes, it has and this is not new. Maybe lacrosse used to the niche sport where coaches went to the hotbeds areas to recruit players. It was easy. But the college landscape has changed and not just lacrosse. With common app came exponentially more college applications which created higher competition. Being recruited was a sure way for entrance into these elite schools. Also Lacrosse is no longer just a spring sport, it's year round. ICollege has fall ball, spring season and summer playing in tournaments. It is a full time job. and trust me when I say only the best and brightest student athletes survive. As a result of the growth of the sport, college coaches just don't have to wait for a player to mature. They just don't. Don't shoot the messenger but it is what it is. Stop blaming whomever and whatever and support you're child and his dreams. Most importantly are grades. Coaches notice this first and foremost. Regardless of talent if your kid has a 99 average coaches will notice IMMEDIATELY. CANT BLAME THAT ON ANYONE? Or do you blame all the kids that do have that with cheating because they have tutors and put academics first? If there is something to help you're child then do it. If his age is an issue then do something about it. There are options. But for the love of god, stop crying.


Some bank robbers & drug dealers support their kids with their efforts... is that ok too?



Getting carried away a bit!!! Last time I checked those activities were ILLEGAL!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen. People have to stop complaining about reclassified kids. There are plenty of reclassified kids on both those lists of top 2017's. Most college coaches preferred to take reclassified kids. Munro runs a very successful enterprise. He is not being hypocritical he will tell you to do the same thing that he did with his son. And it makes no difference because once they get the college they will be mixed with older kids who did postgraduate years red shirts etc. and you're either going to have to perform or you're going to have to sit on the bench. So in the Long run it really doesn't matter . Life is not fair. Some people look for advantages. You also notice that every guy who runs a lacrosse enterprise of one sort or another always manages to put their sons in great spots. That's just the way it is. Some people have businesses they can hand off to their children some people have great jobs that can allow them to place there's kids in great jobs. Other people have to do things the hard way. This is been going on since the beginning of time you have to stop complaining about it and move on


Looks like you're right. Turtle star is heldback too if you look at birthdate. Should be in 11th


Which one since they are all stars...?




Nothing trumps grades. Study study study
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
On the IL list Top 25 and watch list only 14 Boys from Long Island. The sport is gaining in other areas now. Expect to see that number drop each year.


"Only" 14 out of 25 are from LI? Am I missing something? Considering how fast lacrosse I growing, that stat is still unreal!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 06:41 PM

Yes you are missing something, it's 14 out of the top 25+ the watch list . The majority from one team. You figure it out. Do you really think IL list is reliable.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen. People have to stop complaining about reclassified kids. There are plenty of reclassified kids on both those lists of top 2017's. Most college coaches preferred to take reclassified kids. Munro runs a very successful enterprise. He is not being hypocritical he will tell you to do the same thing that he did with his son. And it makes no difference because once they get the college they will be mixed with older kids who did postgraduate years red shirts etc. and you're either going to have to perform or you're going to have to sit on the bench. So in the Long run it really doesn't matter . Life is not fair. Some people look for advantages. You also notice that every guy who runs a lacrosse enterprise of one sort or another always manages to put their sons in great spots. That's just the way it is. Some people have businesses they can hand off to their children some people have great jobs that can allow them to place there's kids in great jobs. Other people have to do things the hard way. This is been going on since the beginning of time you have to stop complaining about it and move on


Looks like you're right. Turtle star is heldback too if you look at birthdate. Should be in 11th


Which one since they are all stars...?


Coaches son.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes you are missing something, it's 14 out of the top 25+ the watch list . The majority from one team. You figure it out. Do you really think IL list is reliable.


Confused between the two list. Ty Xanders and 3D list. Not much consistency between the two. Sure, there are a handful of players on both list ranked similar but for the most part it is really two different list.

Has to be a better system because this looks like coaches calling in favors. Been going on for years tho. Good times!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes you are missing something, it's 14 out of the top 25+ the watch list . The majority from one team. You figure it out. Do you really think IL list is reliable.


Agreed. Do you think 3D/RD is reliable? They both have puppet masters behind the scences, so obvoius and really bad the way its handled. These guys aren't evaluating these kids. They get the top 4-6 correct the rest is a political pit.

The sport is worse every year, from the holdbacks, no DOB needed for anything, the slime style of rankings & the mass amount of $$$ we all spend. Ugly stuff.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen. People have to stop complaining about reclassified kids. There are plenty of reclassified kids on both those lists of top 2017's. Most college coaches preferred to take reclassified kids. Munro runs a very successful enterprise. He is not being hypocritical he will tell you to do the same thing that he did with his son. And it makes no difference because once they get the college they will be mixed with older kids who did postgraduate years red shirts etc. and you're either going to have to perform or you're going to have to sit on the bench. So in the Long run it really doesn't matter . Life is not fair. Some people look for advantages. You also notice that every guy who runs a lacrosse enterprise of one sort or another always manages to put their sons in great spots. That's just the way it is. Some people have businesses they can hand off to their children some people have great jobs that can allow them to place there's kids in great jobs. Other people have to do things the hard way. This is been going on since the beginning of time you have to stop complaining about it and move on


Looks like you're right. Turtle star is heldback too if you look at birthdate. Should be in 11th


Which one since they are all stars...?


Coaches son.


Sorry three weeks from a December 1 cutoff doesn't strengthen your argument. June-Sept yes otherwise let. it. go.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 10:31 PM

Maverick Showtime invites out today. The best showcase camp on the market now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/10/14 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen. People have to stop complaining about reclassified kids. There are plenty of reclassified kids on both those lists of top 2017's. Most college coaches preferred to take reclassified kids. Munro runs a very successful enterprise. He is not being hypocritical he will tell you to do the same thing that he did with his son. And it makes no difference because once they get the college they will be mixed with older kids who did postgraduate years red shirts etc. and you're either going to have to perform or you're going to have to sit on the bench. So in the Long run it really doesn't matter . Life is not fair. Some people look for advantages. You also notice that every guy who runs a lacrosse enterprise of one sort or another always manages to put their sons in great spots. That's just the way it is. Some people have businesses they can hand off to their children some people have great jobs that can allow them to place there's kids in great jobs. Other people have to do things the hard way. This is been going on since the beginning of time you have to stop complaining about it and move on


Looks like you're right. Turtle star is heldback too if you look at birthdate. Should be in 11th


Which one since they are all stars...?


Coaches son.


Sorry three weeks from a December 1 cutoff doesn't strengthen your argument. June-Sept yes otherwise let. it. go.


Rules are rules! Some chose to ignore them for am advantage!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/11/14 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes you are missing something, it's 14 out of the top 25+ the watch list . The majority from one team. You figure it out. Do you really think IL list is reliable.


Confused between the two list. Ty Xanders and 3D list. Not much consistency between the two. Sure, there are a handful of players on both list ranked similar but for the most part it is really two different list.

Has to be a better system because this looks like coaches calling in favors. Been going on for years tho. Good times!


These lists really do prove out that IL has a regional bias to Baltimore, the DC metro, Philly main line and certain club programs in LI. 3d has a significant bias to, well...3d. These are bespoke lists. Let me wonder this out loud: would Ty Xanders consider a kid who did not send in a video and also have a club and high school coach pimp it on top of? I doubt it. I am a Maryland parent and saw a good many kids from California at summer tournaments, including one local 3d Cali team that mopped the floor with Team 91. None of their players are mentioned. The 3d Cali team had a better player at each position than Team 91 save for righty attack. And I don't think Team 91 is bad, just saying when all the local biases are out we are seeing quality elsewhere that gets no IL love. This is not stating that LI kids, especially that awesome Turtles team, do not deserve their kudos. I think Ty Xanders lives with his mom and stalks MIAA freshmen in the parking lots of schools. Pedophile category stuff.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/11/14 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Yes you are missing something, it's 14 out of the top 25+ the watch list . The majority from one team. You figure it out. Do you really think IL list is reliable.


Confused between the two list. Ty Xanders and 3D list. Not much consistency between the two. Sure, there are a handful of players on both list ranked similar but for the most part it is really two different list.

Has to be a better system because this looks like coaches calling in favors. Been going on for years tho. Good times!


These lists really do prove out that IL has a regional bias to Baltimore, the DC metro, Philly main line and certain club programs in LI. 3d has a significant bias to, well...3d. These are bespoke lists. Let me wonder this out loud: would Ty Xanders consider a kid who did not send in a video and also have a club and high school coach pimp it on top of? I doubt it. I am a Maryland parent and saw a good many kids from California at summer tournaments, including one local 3d Cali team that mopped the floor with Team 91. None of their players are mentioned. The 3d Cali team had a better player at each position than Team 91 save for righty attack. And I don't think Team 91 is bad, just saying when all the local biases are out we are seeing quality elsewhere that gets no IL love. This is not stating that LI kids, especially that awesome Turtles team, do not deserve their kudos. I think Ty Xanders lives with his mom and stalks MIAA freshmen in the parking lots of schools. Pedophile category stuff. [/quot

OK Turtle dad...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/11/14 03:55 PM

If you compare the lists not sure you can say 3-D's list was very bias. Considering they have only 3 of their players mentioned on the 3D top 30.That's hardly a bias. 3d has at least 10, 2017 teams scattered in many different states. They saw everyone play. Seems like Ty Xanders is much more limited in which players he sees
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/11/14 04:27 PM

These lists really do prove out that IL has a regional bias to Baltimore, the DC metro, Philly main line and certain club programs in LI. 3d has a significant bias to, well...3d. These are bespoke lists. Let me wonder this out loud: would Ty Xanders consider a kid who did not send in a video and also have a club and high school coach pimp it on top of? I doubt it. I am a Maryland parent and saw a good many kids from California at summer tournaments, including one local 3d Cali team that mopped the floor with Team 91. None of their players are mentioned. The 3d Cali team had a better player at each position than Team 91 save for righty attack. And I don't think Team 91 is bad, just saying when all the local biases are out we are seeing quality elsewhere that gets no IL love. This is not stating that LI kids, especially that awesome Turtles team, do not deserve their kudos. I think Ty Xanders lives with his mom and stalks MIAA freshmen in the parking lots of schools. Pedophile category stuff. [/quot

OK Turtle dad... [/quote]

Not a Turtle dad, but let's face it...these two lists should have more in common than they do if the ratings are legit. Ty Xanders basically has a boy band crush on the Turtles team, and likes to kiss some Caputo butt second after that. He really thinks an MIAA kid from his alma mater is the best HS goalie since [fill in blank of last MIAA goalie who made college All-America], and he may or may not live in Ryan McClernan's basement in exchange for pumping the tires of Crabs kids. Turtles are great, Team 91 has some good players. Some of the 3d regional select teams have a few decent players, but most do not. I think the post just acknowledges that there are great LI players, but that IL and 3d both seem to be paid for PR firms for some stakeholders in the club lacrosse world. If D1 coaches rely on this, they are idiots. Coaches in every other NCAA sport can actually recruit by watching and ranking kids rather than have the tradesmen selling camps, clinics, showcases, tournaments and recruiting services telling them whose lax dad credit cards are the best. This is why Loyola and Cuse can win NCAAs every year with kids they scoop in as rising or current juniors. Cuse is not full because they can't get kids, let's be at least that honest. And correct me if the pre-pubes poster child UNC has won something in the last 20+ years I am not aware of.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/11/14 05:29 PM

Where can i find the 3D list?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/11/14 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where can i find the 3D list?


http://rising.3dlacrosse.com/3d-rising/top-30-class-2017-1-10
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/11/14 09:21 PM

Wow, did the moms and dads who paid Florida + Jake Reed since 8th grade come up with this 3d list?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/11/14 09:52 PM

The only list we want is to be on the Maverick Showtime. How can that get done.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/11/14 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only list we want is to be on the Maverick Showtime. How can that get done.
a day late and dollar short
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/11/14 11:33 PM

Nice come back turtle dad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/12/14 12:32 AM

Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/12/14 02:35 AM

Okay we just got a Showtime invite and my kid just verbally committed but has not taken an ACT or SAT, he is a good student but he is going to a program that requires good scores. As with all early commitments if the coach leaves he could be SOL. Do we spend the money on Showtime? I am leaning towards "yes". This early commit thing is a double edged sword. I wouldn't send him to any other showcase events.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/12/14 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.


Jake Reed, Jamie Munro, and company are a bunch of self promoting low life money grabbers. Jamie used the money he made off his organization to hold his own kid back. Total loser! My son never went and is top ranked. Stay away. Showtime is a much better option, classy!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/12/14 03:25 AM

So since you're posting on 2017 thread I'm guessing from your question that he was not invited last year. Based on that assumption you should know that a large majority of the 2017's LAST SUMMER that were at maverick were already committed or did so while they were there or shortly thereafter. They all still went. Was an incredible experience to meet their future teammates. I am not sure what the 2nd yr for 2017's will bring. But I say heck ya. If he does anything next summer he should so maverick.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/12/14 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.


Jake Reed, Jamie Munro, and company are a bunch of self promoting low life money grabbers. Jamie used the money he made off his organization to hold his own kid back. Total loser! My son never went and is top ranked. Stay away. Showtime is a much better option, classy!


Easy on JM...to correct you he used the money he collected to contract a private jet to watch the superbowl at metlife last year. Just check his tweets.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/12/14 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.
They why did you apply? Jake Reed has been going downhill for the last few years, talk to the college coaches. Philly Showcase in the Fall, and Maverik, Black Card and Under Armour are the only showcases worth paying for for top end players in my opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/12/14 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Okay we just got a Showtime invite and my kid just verbally committed but has not taken an ACT or SAT, he is a good student but he is going to a program that requires good scores. As with all early commitments if the coach leaves he could be SOL. Do we spend the money on Showtime? I am leaning towards "yes". This early commit thing is a double edged sword. I wouldn't send him to any other showcase events.
Yes no quesitons asked. Will be a $695 well spent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/12/14 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.


Jake Reed, Jamie Munro, and company are a bunch of self promoting low life money grabbers. Jamie used the money he made off his organization to hold his own kid back. Total loser! My son never went and is top ranked. Stay away. Showtime is a much better option, classy!


Easy on JM...to correct you he used the money he collected to contract a private jet to watch the superbowl at metlife last year. Just check his tweets.


Correct. Munro also tweeted he was in some mens room at some ritzy Yacht Club a couple of weeks ago. The angry lax mom twitter rips him all the time its funny. He flaunts his $$ on twitter at times for sure, I don't follow him anymore.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/12/14 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.


Jake Reed, Jamie Munro, and company are a bunch of self promoting low life money grabbers. Jamie used the money he made off his organization to hold his own kid back. Total loser! My son never went and is top ranked. Stay away. Showtime is a much better option, classy!


Easy on JM...to correct you he used the money he collected to contract a private jet to watch the superbowl at metlife last year. Just check his tweets.


Correct. Munro also tweeted he was in some mens room at some ritzy Yacht Club a couple of weeks ago. The angry lax mom twitter rips him all the time its funny. He flaunts his $$ on twitter at times for sure, I don't follow him anymore.


It's called new money. Doesn't know how to handle it but give the guy credit for making it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/12/14 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.


Jake Reed, Jamie Munro, and company are a bunch of self promoting low life money grabbers. Jamie used the money he made off his organization to hold his own kid back. Total loser! My son never went and is top ranked. Stay away. Showtime is a much better option, classy!


Easy on JM...to correct you he used the money he collected to contract a private jet to watch the superbowl at metlife last year. Just check his tweets.


Correct. Munro also tweeted he was in some mens room at some ritzy Yacht Club a couple of weeks ago. The angry lax mom twitter rips him all the time its funny. He flaunts his $$ on twitter at times for sure, I don't follow him anymore.


Just checked out the angry lax mom twitter. Seriously funny.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/12/14 04:41 PM

What lacrosse consumers need to realize is the golden goose right now is events. Tournaments, showcases and showcase tournaments. If there was not an NCAA rule against it, these guys would pay NCAA coaches to come to them to add to their promotion banners. Running a club is work, and not nearly all of it is cash flow to the owner. Why do you think Adrenaline, the so called kings of the apparel category in lacrosse, bought an events company over the summer? Same reason robbers rob banks; that's where the money is. I am not outraged over it, but do consider this to be pathetic and puts the sport in a pathetic light as a rich white kid's prep school kid sport. Give Jamie Munro some credit, he realized something which is recruiting has become a pay for play arena and he is setting up a toll booth between your sons and the 3d or IL hypsters and the NCAA coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/12/14 04:52 PM

Go to Showtime over Jake Reed. It's much better.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/12/14 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.


Jake Reed, Jamie Munro, and company are a bunch of self promoting low life money grabbers. Jamie used the money he made off his organization to hold his own kid back. Total loser! My son never went and is top ranked. Stay away. Showtime is a much better option, classy!


Easy on JM...to correct you he used the money he collected to contract a private jet to watch the superbowl at metlife last year. Just check his tweets.


Correct. Munro also tweeted he was in some mens room at some ritzy Yacht Club a couple of weeks ago. The angry lax mom twitter rips him all the time its funny. He flaunts his $$ on twitter at times for sure, I don't follow him anymore.


Just checked out the angry lax mom twitter. Seriously funny.


I just read a bunch of the old post along with the photos she posted! OMG. lol.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/16/14 01:25 PM

Is there a comprehensive list of verbally committed 2017s anywhere? The one on IL does not seem to have been updated recently.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/17/14 06:50 PM

2018 parent here - looking for feedback on the Fab Frosh Lacrosse Showcase. Any one attend in 2014? Worthwhile? Thanks for any thoughts
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/18/14 01:25 AM

My son went and enjoyed it there were a lot of coaches not all d1 but had great experience
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/18/14 02:58 PM

We went last year and the year before with my other son. The first year it was great. Last year, not so great and I don't think I'm taking my son to Supersophs this year. I thought that there was only a handful of coaches there and they only stayed between two fields. Therefore, your son only really got exposure from one game. My opinion is that it is not worth wasting another summer day.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/18/14 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
We went last year and the year before with my other son. The first year it was great. Last year, not so great and I don't think I'm taking my son to Supersophs this year. I thought that there was only a handful of coaches there and they only stayed between two fields. Therefore, your son only really got exposure from one game. My opinion is that it is not worth wasting another summer day.


My son went this summer as a freshman. He didn't think there were a lot of coaches. He wont be going to SuperSophs - his choice.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/18/14 08:07 PM

My son also went to Fab Frosh. Not a lot of coaches, crappy fields, too many kids. He will not be going to Super Sophs
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/18/14 09:08 PM

We were pleased and going to supersophs. Fun day of lacrosse
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/19/14 02:08 AM

fab frosh was great. my son made all-star team, already signed up for duper sophs
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/19/14 12:53 PM

Fab frosh is a great first recruiting tournament to experience. They take 250 boys.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/19/14 01:26 PM

Long Island High School Senior Cut From Football For Being Too Old

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/09...ior-cut-from-football-for-being-too-old/

Express and 91 encourage him to take up lax and reclassify as a 2017. MIAA is sending the recruit squad "how'd we miss this guy"
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/19/14 07:15 PM

Does anyone know of any 2017 teams that are going to the Fall Terrapin Classic? Do many recruiters attend this event?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/19/14 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island High School Senior Cut From Football For Being Too Old

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/09...ior-cut-from-football-for-being-too-old/

Express and 91 encourage him to take up lax and reclassify as a 2017. MIAA is sending the recruit squad "how'd we miss this guy"
Family moved to Maryland and he is now a Sophmore
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/20/14 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know of any 2017 teams that are going to the Fall Terrapin Classic? Do many recruiters attend this event?


Well attended, many of the top Md clubs play in this event
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island High School Senior Cut From Football For Being Too Old

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/09...ior-cut-from-football-for-being-too-old/

Express and 91 encourage him to take up lax and reclassify as a 2017. MIAA is sending the recruit squad "how'd we miss this guy"


This is sad- exceptions should be made in individual cases, especially since the kid had such a rough start and his height/weight wouldn't jeopardize any other student. I hope he can appeal.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 03:46 PM

The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.



Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.





Interesting! How did the turtle boys do? Only one I heard did anything was unranked/uncommitted one #scam
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.





Interesting! How did the turtle boys do? Only one I heard did anything was unranked/uncommitted one #scam


You heard wrong.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.





Who were the points leaders from each team? Looked at a twitter feed of game and only saw the two highly ranked most famous turtles name once. Like 1 goal each in game looks like several non turtle names got the most points except the turtle who is not ranked/committed who was there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.


The bottom line is IL rankings reflect the LI and Maryland overbearing influences of the club and prep school programs. The bottom line on 3d is their list reflects a Daddy payments All-America team to 3d events...BFE 64, Blue Chip, JR, etc. There are likely tons of great players in Canada, Florida, California, etc. going to tournaments and outplaying the hot bed kids and wondering why they are not getting noticed. What does Ty Xanders do now? He does not seem to be employed by anyone. Is he basically a freelance events writer? Gee, THAT would not look like a conflict of interest to take pay from guys running Philly Showcase or whatever to do write ups pumping their kids up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.





Interesting! How did the turtle boys do? Only one I heard did anything was unranked/uncommitted one #scam


You heard wrong.


Ok, so let's hear the stats!!
Unless of course they are not flattering for your son
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.


The bottom line is IL rankings reflect the LI and Maryland overbearing influences of the club and prep school programs. The bottom line on 3d is their list reflects a Daddy payments All-America team to 3d events...BFE 64, Blue Chip, JR, etc. There are likely tons of great players in Canada, Florida, California, etc. going to tournaments and outplaying the hot bed kids and wondering why they are not getting noticed. What does Ty Xanders do now? He does not seem to be employed by anyone. Is he basically a freelance events writer? Gee, THAT would not look like a conflict of interest to take pay from guys running Philly Showcase or whatever to do write ups pumping their kids up.


He works for a big LI daddy now!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.


The bottom line is IL rankings reflect the LI and Maryland overbearing influences of the club and prep school programs. The bottom line on 3d is their list reflects a Daddy payments All-America team to 3d events...BFE 64, Blue Chip, JR, etc. There are likely tons of great players in Canada, Florida, California, etc. going to tournaments and outplaying the hot bed kids and wondering why they are not getting noticed. What does Ty Xanders do now? He does not seem to be employed by anyone. Is he basically a freelance events writer? Gee, THAT would not look like a conflict of interest to take pay from guys running Philly Showcase or whatever to do write ups pumping their kids up.


Agree with you. There are also great Maryland, Long Island & Philly kids that were left off those list besides the kids from Canada, Fla, California etc.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.


The bottom line is IL rankings reflect the LI and Maryland overbearing influences of the club and prep school programs. The bottom line on 3d is their list reflects a Daddy payments All-America team to 3d events...BFE 64, Blue Chip, JR, etc. There are likely tons of great players in Canada, Florida, California, etc. going to tournaments and outplaying the hot bed kids and wondering why they are not getting noticed. What does Ty Xanders do now? He does not seem to be employed by anyone. Is he basically a freelance events writer? Gee, THAT would not look like a conflict of interest to take pay from guys running Philly Showcase or whatever to do write ups pumping their kids up.


He works for a big LI daddy now!


Really??? You mean physically big or $$$ big or both?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.


The bottom line is IL rankings reflect the LI and Maryland overbearing influences of the club and prep school programs. The bottom line on 3d is their list reflects a Daddy payments All-America team to 3d events...BFE 64, Blue Chip, JR, etc. There are likely tons of great players in Canada, Florida, California, etc. going to tournaments and outplaying the hot bed kids and wondering why they are not getting noticed. What does Ty Xanders do now? He does not seem to be employed by anyone. Is he basically a freelance events writer? Gee, THAT would not look like a conflict of interest to take pay from guys running Philly Showcase or whatever to do write ups pumping their kids up.


He works for a big LI daddy now!


Really??? You mean physically big or $$$ big or both?


$$$$, Rumor is!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.


The bottom line is IL rankings reflect the LI and Maryland overbearing influences of the club and prep school programs. The bottom line on 3d is their list reflects a Daddy payments All-America team to 3d events...BFE 64, Blue Chip, JR, etc. There are likely tons of great players in Canada, Florida, California, etc. going to tournaments and outplaying the hot bed kids and wondering why they are not getting noticed. What does Ty Xanders do now? He does not seem to be employed by anyone. Is he basically a freelance events writer? Gee, THAT would not look like a conflict of interest to take pay from guys running Philly Showcase or whatever to do write ups pumping their kids up.


He works for a big LI daddy now!


Really??? You mean physically big or $$$ big or both?


$$$$, Rumor is!


So who is it? Why is it such a secret? People have asked him on twitter when he refers to his new job and he ignores the question. Sort of makes it more interesting, as to why he talks of his new job, but does not want to disclose what he is doing. Anyway, I for one like his banter. Do not think he rules the world like some do- but he has a sarcastic edge that I like. I wish him luck.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.


The bottom line is IL rankings reflect the LI and Maryland overbearing influences of the club and prep school programs. The bottom line on 3d is their list reflects a Daddy payments All-America team to 3d events...BFE 64, Blue Chip, JR, etc. There are likely tons of great players in Canada, Florida, California, etc. going to tournaments and outplaying the hot bed kids and wondering why they are not getting noticed. What does Ty Xanders do now? He does not seem to be employed by anyone. Is he basically a freelance events writer? Gee, THAT would not look like a conflict of interest to take pay from guys running Philly Showcase or whatever to do write ups pumping their kids up.


He works for a big LI daddy now!


Really??? You mean physically big or $$$ big or both?


$$$$, Rumor is!


So who is it? Why is it such a secret? People have asked him on twitter when he refers to his new job and he ignores the question. Sort of makes it more interesting, as to why he talks of his new job, but does not want to disclose what he is doing. Anyway, I for one like his banter. Do not think he rules the world like some do- but he has a sarcastic edge that I like. I wish him luck.


I agree, like the guy, I'm sure it will come out soon, then let the floodgates open!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.




Could be because he just became a 2017 even though he is in grade 11. Thought 2017's were in grade 10, so yeah, that kinda makes me scratch my head a bit!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 11:08 PM

What does it say about the credibility of a sport when a kid a few years out of high school who neither played high school or college level lacrosse is the most widely followed expert in the sport?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/21/14 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.




Could be because he just became a 2017 even though he is in grade 11. Thought 2017's were in grade 10, so yeah, that kinda makes me scratch my head a bit!


Obviously your son is VERY good because he made the Stars and stripes team. So I assume your boy must play varsity, aren't those JRs & SRs older in school ball also? Stop crying already.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 12:16 AM

If you were to ask those who follow other sports what they thought of a twentysomething year-old who barely played high school lacrosse never coached the game and never graduated college or play the game in college their thoughts on his rankings of high school players as the "standard". They would look at you and say you are NUTS!!! Wake up people!!

And if you can't figure out who's writing his checks. We could all give a darn good guess.
Interesting that he also that he covered Stars and Stripes . There are a lot of turtles on that roster? I guess they have their own PR person now. Who even heard of the Stars and Stripes before today when Ty Xanders covered it. This is getting silly now
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does it say about the credibility of a sport when a kid a few years out of high school who neither played high school or college level lacrosse is the most widely followed expert in the sport?


Bingo. It is mind boggling, yet sad at the same time. Now he's "getting paid" apparently, but from who??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you were to ask those who follow other sports what they thought of a twentysomething year-old who barely played high school lacrosse never coached the game and never graduated college or play the game in college their thoughts on his rankings of high school players as the "standard". They would look at you and say you are NUTS!!! Wake up people!!

And if you can't figure out who's writing his checks. We could all give a darn good guess.
Interesting that he also that he covered Stars and Stripes . There are a lot of turtles on that roster? I guess they have their own PR person now. Who even heard of the Stars and Stripes before today when Ty Xanders covered it. This is getting silly now


Mystery solved! Agenda acomplished, even if the kid of interest wasn't mentioned
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 12:47 AM

So Ty Xanders is getting a nice discount on underwear and chewable Gatorade jellies at Lacrosse Unlimited now?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does it say about the credibility of a sport when a kid a few years out of high school who neither played high school or college level lacrosse is the most widely followed expert in the sport?


The kid loves covering lacrosse, not sure what the problem with that is.
More concerning is behavior of all Narcissist parents who beat him up because you can't fathom your kids aren't that good, and didn't get ranked. OK your kid committed early #sofknwhat.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 01:31 AM

Agreed. Never really thought about it. But you are right. No offense to him, he is just a kid. Inside lacrosse should be called out on this one.

If tbe game continues to grow, iInside Lacrosse will be taken over by more credible people. Right now it's just Lacrosse.....a pathway to getting into a better college, nothing more
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 01:55 AM

He can love covering lacrosse all he wants, but as the other posters have said it still doesn't make him credible. And I don't even have a kid that's old enough to be written about yet. It just goes to show that lacrosse has a long way to go to compete with other sports
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 02:07 AM

The kid????? Exactly the Kid. The kids themselves would do a better job ranking themselves. They actually play the game. Almost all of them will actually play in college and graduate.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 02:52 AM

It doesn't sound like anybody is beating this guy up. But I would agree that these are the facts. Besides if you are going to write aboult kids as young as 13 years old you better be able to take constructive criticism from the parents. If this is beating him up then you are supporting what the rest of the posters are saying in that there is a real issue with credibility and transparency. People should be accountable shouldn't they.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does it say about the credibility of a sport when a kid a few years out of high school who neither played high school or college level lacrosse is the most widely followed expert in the sport?


The kid loves covering lacrosse, not sure what the problem with that is.
More concerning is behavior of all Narcissist parents who beat him up because you can't fathom your kids aren't that good, and didn't get ranked. OK your kid committed early #sofknwhat.


Gotta be Ty himself answering that ^ in the third person. Too much animosity and defensive posturing. Don't think for a moment he or his minions (or employers) aren't reading these posts. Didn't know he did not play HS lax or college lax. That is very lame and weak.

(BTW; the correct use of the word would have been, narcissistic; as in, they are narcissistic, and, he is a narcissist. Where exactly did you get your journalistic degree?)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 11:50 AM

There are some very informed middle aged men who play fantasy football. Do NFL coaches listen to them? It is possible to contribute something great for a sport with no legit background in it. Bill James was a night owl security guard in a factory and with all his time to kill boredom he invented a way of looking at baseball through different mathematical formulas. That is not the case with IL or Ty Xanders. Our son plays on a pretty high level club team in Maryland and it is pretty much ALWAYS determined before the tournaments which kids need props or a shout out. Yes, the best players will get noticed. But what also happens on our own team is kids who can't play / hide in the system of a good club team get props as needed to boost their college placement. On our own team we have seen kids get Ty Xanders write ups which can only be explained by the King Crab telling him is needs to be so. As they say, it is good to be king. The real question is do college coaches really take the inputs from Ty Xanders and rely on them for evaluations? That would be a joke.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does it say about the credibility of a sport when a kid a few years out of high school who neither played high school or college level lacrosse is the most widely followed expert in the sport?


The kid loves covering lacrosse, not sure what the problem with that is.
More concerning is behavior of all Narcissist parents who beat him up because you can't fathom your kids aren't that good, and didn't get ranked. OK your kid committed early #sofknwhat.


"The Kid" covering lacrosse has a lot of power from behind a laptop. If he played the game, understood it, watched the showcases and gave his honest opinion, hey great gig, good for him. When he gets his information regarding said "Top 25 players" from the same influential coaches, it isn't right. I'm not a narcissist (or narcissistic) but, my kid is pretty good. I've been at top recruiting showcases and have seen many of these kids play and some absolutely belong on these lists but, there are so many that are being "plugged" (over and over and over again) that don't belong on that list. It would be nice to have a "non-influenced" "Kid" write for lacrosse. How great would it be to have some honesty at each showcase "so and so didn't have a great tournament but, where the heck did this kid come from?" That happens all of the time and its never written about honestly. TY keeps blowing smoke up the same kids/coaches butts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 12:53 PM

My son was on USA 2016 and I watched the 2017 game. Needless to say Cam Garlin is 6'2 maybe 6'3,left attack monster. He plays a lot like Mark Matthews and throws some big fakes. He had a goal he beat his defender on the wing swim dodged 2 more players and shot the ball to the top corner. Who knows why this kid is not ranked in the top 10 anywhere.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 01:02 PM

It is well known that Ty Xanders will write about any kid who's influential lacrosse dad will either give him a meal or perk.. Everyone knows this. Everyone has seen it it's out in the open. Who cares. Coaches don't listen to him.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does it say about the credibility of a sport when a kid a few years out of high school who neither played high school or college level lacrosse is the most widely followed expert in the sport?


The kid loves covering lacrosse, not sure what the problem with that is.
More concerning is behavior of all Narcissist parents who beat him up because you can't fathom your kids aren't that good, and didn't get ranked. OK your kid committed early #sofknwhat.


"The Kid" covering lacrosse has a lot of power from behind a laptop. If he played the game, understood it, watched the showcases and gave his honest opinion, hey great gig, good for him. When he gets his information regarding said "Top 25 players" from the same influential coaches, it isn't right. I'm not a narcissist (or narcissistic) but, my kid is pretty good. I've been at top recruiting showcases and have seen many of these kids play and some absolutely belong on these lists but, there are so many that are being "plugged" (over and over and over again) that don't belong on that list. It would be nice to have a "non-influenced" "Kid" write for lacrosse. How great would it be to have some honesty at each showcase "so and so didn't have a great tournament but, where the heck did this kid come from?" That happens all of the time and its never written about honestly. TY keeps blowing smoke up the same kids/coaches butts.


The 4 you need to know:

Because Ty Xanders is getting paid by rich dads who are paranoid & living vicariously through their sons.

Ty is getting ATTENTION by big named coaches trying to keep their D1 job.

Showcases keep him at their events as a "attraction". Kids know Ty (many of them don't respect him either)

And club owners trying to keep $$ flow w/tuitions up by pasting the committed players names on their sites.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son was on USA 2016 and I watched the 2017 game. Needless to say Cam Garlin is 6'2 maybe 6'3,left attack monster. He plays a lot like Mark Matthews and throws some big fakes. He had a goal he beat his defender on the wing swim dodged 2 more players and shot the ball to the top corner. Who knows why this kid is not ranked in the top 10 anywhere.


You are correct. And there are many more like him that nobody knows! From hotbed and non hotbed areas. Meaning, RANKINGS DONT WORK. Impossible to get right. Look I was there yesterday, I saw two or three usa 2017s that were in Ty Xanders TOP 15! And they were pretty quiet all game but a couple of non ranked usa kids and a few Canadians were ON FIRE.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 01:20 PM

Canada and USA high schools differ in enrolment. All 1998 born players in Canada are in grade 11 which would make them a 2016. In USA a Sept to Dec born 1998 would be in grade 10 and a 2017. So Canadian kids born between Sept to Dec 1998 are technically 2017's.
Some Canadian club teams come down to tourneys with full rosters of 1998 born kids and play in 2016. Only to compete against 1997 born players and some 1996's that have reclassed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Canada and USA high schools differ in enrolment. All 1998 born players in Canada are in grade 11 which would make them a 2016. In USA a Sept to Dec born 1998 would be in grade 10 and a 2017. So Canadian kids born between Sept to Dec 1998 are technically 2017's.
Some Canadian club teams come down to tourneys with full rosters of 1998 born kids and play in 2016. Only to compete against 1997 born players and some 1996's that have reclassed.


Stop making excuses. They are all in High School, stop already with the "older" BS. How old are the kids on varsity your son plays with? Load of crap.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 01:57 PM

It matters if NCAA coaches rely on Ty Xanders for a qualified list of kids to target in recruiting. I have no idea to the extent NCAA coaches take his analysis as credible, but it does seem obvious that Ty is at least on the phones with them constantly and is a source of information to them. Like in everything else you have credibility until you don't. If ther are events like last weekend where top 15 ranked kids have a quiet showing and some unknowns show up and are the best on the field, then something is very wrong. We saw a 2017 goalie who is on everyone's top ten list get outplayed straight to the ground over and over this past summer by so called no-names.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 02:19 PM

These comments are definitely being made by kids who have been snubed by Ty. He gets it right for the most part. The kids he mentions mostly become the college stars. Stop complaining and work harder! He is not the only person from inside lacrosse reviewing these kids. For example, quint kessnich, case Vock and Paul carc. They all basically agree. TY also relies heavily on the opinions of college coaches. Obviously a kid can have a bad day, and a previous unknown can emerge, happens all the time!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
These comments are definitely being made by kids who have been snubed by Ty. He gets it right for the most part. The kids he mentions mostly become the college stars. Stop complaining and work harder! He is not the only person from inside lacrosse reviewing these kids. For example, quint kessnich, case Vock and Paul carc. They all basically agree. TY also relies heavily on the opinions of college coaches. Obviously a kid can have a bad day, and a previous unknown can emerge, happens all the time!


Lies.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 02:48 PM

He gets it right for the most part based on what, the one year he evaluated players for IL most of whom won't be in college for years to come? I think you may want to check that statement...Quint and Paul don't really get out on the recruiting tournament circuit although Paul does do Maverik Showtime. In terms of track record, yes IL did nail it with the Steele Stanwicks and the Brian Boyles back in the day. But back then the sport was a backwater played in Baltimore and LI and not scratched yet in terms of the wider scope we see today. My son is a commit but did not get ranked or watch listed by IL. Some of that may have to do that he didn't solicit it by sending emails and videos to Ty, some of it may be where Ty evaluates him although the latter is hard to fathom since we only saw Ty at a few of our games which were lopsided and my son didn't get much action on the defensive side of the field. It took a lot of layered repeating and beating into our kid who does have some pride and self esteem issues with how he is seen especially by Ty Xanders does not matter one bit. That is likely an issue for all teenage boys and especially ones who wrap a lot of their status into a sport like lacrosse where social media celebrates what 14 year olds are accomplishing with their commits. I don't care if my son is ranked or watch listed by IL this year, next year or after senior year. I care that if he does this he prepares himself to play 4 years at a high level in college and make All American in college. Every year he sees kids come home at XMas break wearing their UNC, UVA, Hop swag around their old HS gym and field to work out. I don't want my son to spend this much of his time in a sport to be a kid who doesn't see the field for 4 years and comes home every XMas and summer looking real cool in his college garb. Check the rosters guys...at least 20 names on every top 10 roster are kids who have not seen the field and many of them were rated high school guys. Whatever. I just keep telling my son what matters is you don't want to spend 30 hours a week training for lacrosse and never play in college. Do it to do it playing and making your own mark on the college program. I hope he listens, but the bottom line is this sport celebrates phony more than substance and it will be hard for him or any other kid to listen.

Screw Ty Xanders. Honestly, what does he bring besides 7,500 people who seem entertained by his Chipotle burrito pictures. If your son cares or worse you care, it is a mistake and a waste of time. College coaches may tune into his word of mouth and rumor feedback as an information source, but I doubt Ty is helping them with the lineup cards this spring.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son was on USA 2016 and I watched the 2017 game. Needless to say Cam Garlin is 6'2 maybe 6'3,left attack monster. He plays a lot like Mark Matthews and throws some big fakes. He had a goal he beat his defender on the wing swim dodged 2 more players and shot the ball to the top corner. Who knows why this kid is not ranked in the top 10 anywhere.
If he beat his defender and swim moved 2 more it sounds like there were 2 other guys wide open?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Canada and USA high schools differ in enrolment. All 1998 born players in Canada are in grade 11 which would make them a 2016. In USA a Sept to Dec born 1998 would be in grade 10 and a 2017. So Canadian kids born between Sept to Dec 1998 are technically 2017's.
Some Canadian club teams come down to tourneys with full rosters of 1998 born kids and play in 2016. Only to compete against 1997 born players and some 1996's that have reclassed.


How are they technically 2017`s if they are in grade 11? It's a graduation year, it doesn't matter if they were born in January 1998 or December 1998, if they are in grade 11 they are 2016's. If they are in grade 10, they are 2017's. Is that Garlin kid repeating grade 10 right now? If not, why was he in the 2017 game and not the 2016 one?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Canada and USA high schools differ in enrolment. All 1998 born players in Canada are in grade 11 which would make them a 2016. In USA a Sept to Dec born 1998 would be in grade 10 and a 2017. So Canadian kids born between Sept to Dec 1998 are technically 2017's.
Some Canadian club teams come down to tourneys with full rosters of 1998 born kids and play in 2016. Only to compete against 1997 born players and some 1996's that have reclassed.


I wonder what would happen in Canada if a 98 hockey player dropped down to play 99 because he thought it would help his draft chances?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Canada and USA high schools differ in enrolment. All 1998 born players in Canada are in grade 11 which would make them a 2016. In USA a Sept to Dec born 1998 would be in grade 10 and a 2017. So Canadian kids born between Sept to Dec 1998 are technically 2017's.
Some Canadian club teams come down to tourneys with full rosters of 1998 born kids and play in 2016. Only to compete against 1997 born players and some 1996's that have reclassed.


That is true. Kindergarden is called grade 1 and then so forth and Canadian kids start school a calendar year later than US born kids do. In some US states like California, the age cut is in the fall, so October 1998 kids are 2017s.

I think the more demonstrable point was according to some at this event last weekend three "top 15" US kids, presumably local LI kids, didn't show up much and some unheard of Canadian kids played great. Any kid can have a great day or a bad day on a given day, but it does not sound to me like questioning the cronyism in the IL or Ty Xanders world is a bad thing. I wasn't there but those comments would not shock me. Ty Xanders is our local boy who will write anything for a free meal at Taco Bell.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 05:38 PM

First year of the stars and stripes event. Great one too.

Does anyone actually want to acknowledge that most of the kids he ranked are committed to top division 1 schools? They were committed before they were ranked...do you think there is a chance that these kids could actually be good players also? I guess the coaches that recruited are stupid too...How did they miss your kid?

Sorry, its all Ty's fault.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 05:41 PM

getting your facts straight is the first step. Garlin was as 2016 reclassified. Feel free to search Youtube for his video where you will see he is listed as a 2016 initially.

get your facts correct before you blame everyone and point fingers at politics
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 05:47 PM

Unfortunately some Canadians have to do a PG year to get D1 offer because they are a grade ahead of their USA conterparts. College coaches are not all that interested in 17 year olds arriving on campus in thier freshmen year.
As for hockey 98's play 98's cause they ask for birth certificates and you have to register. As for lacrosse that is not the case!!
Canadians can go to a tourney as a 15 year old (98) and play 2016 against 16 (97) and 17 (96) years olds.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 06:00 PM

Some examples of Canadians
Ethan Walker - Denver/Culver #4 inside lax, born in 97 grade 12 is a 2016.
Jeff Teat - Cornell/Hill Academy, born 97 grade 12 is a 2016.
Riley Curtis - Denver born 98 grade 11 is a 2017.

USA/Canadian
Colin Munro - NC - born 98 grade 10 is a 2017

dont matter if ya reclass or not - if ya got the skills the Coaches will find ya!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 06:13 PM

Some of you need to start referring to your sons as Shane.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 06:50 PM

Clearly ranking now can be held again players that are not the high scorers in every game...I know that the long island boys often referred to in these blog represented 11 of the 15 goals scored by USA and I'd love to hear your thoughts on the LSM that was playing yesterday, I'd be hard pressed to think you were not impressed.

Why is it that we must bring down the kids instead of giving credit where it is due.

You are correct though, on any given day all these kids are stars and deserve the credit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 06:54 PM

the long island boys you are referring to scored 11 of the 15 goals.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Unfortunately some Canadians have to do a PG year to get D1 offer because they are a grade ahead of their USA conterparts. College coaches are not all that interested in 17 year olds arriving on campus in thier freshmen year.
As for hockey 98's play 98's cause they ask for birth certificates and you have to register. As for lacrosse that is not the case!!
Canadians can go to a tourney as a 15 year old (98) and play 2016 against 16 (97) and 17 (96) years olds.


Canadians are not a year ahead, they would be the same as on Long Island if no one reclassified. A true, unclassified 2017 in Canada is born in 1999. The only difference is that there is no rule about being held back if you are born in the fall. The reason it might seem like they are a year ahead is because most good lax players head to prep schools where they reclassify. Most club teams used to be on age until they started heading down to MD and realized they were playing kids 1 or two years older. And that was fine when it was rising seniors getting recruited, but now with freshmen recruiting, that one year difference shows when you play teams like the Crabs or 3d.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does it say about the credibility of a sport when a kid a few years out of high school who neither played high school or college level lacrosse is the most widely followed expert in the sport?

95 percent of sportswriters didn't play their respective sport in college! TV is different but come on guys at least rip on him for something he deserves...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 11:35 PM

100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/22/14 11:55 PM

Ty's report on stars and stripes just released. Only one Turtle praised. Not one you would expect so I do believe he was being fair!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 12:15 AM

Thoughts on Ty's Standout?
#1 2017- Cam Garlin, A, Canada
#1 2016- Jared Hershman, F/O, USA
#1 2015- Jake Fox, A, Canada
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 12:44 AM

No good f/o guys in attendance
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.


Maybe there are plenty of people missing YOUR point. There are so few people who write about lacrosse recruits, its very popular with the kids and parents, and this guy only writes on the kids he feels played well. Can you imagine if he was critical? Your point seems to be he's overlooked your stud early recruit son. #getoverit
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some examples of Canadians
Ethan Walker - Denver/Culver #4 inside lax, born in 97 grade 12 is a 2016.
Jeff Teat - Cornell/Hill Academy, born 97 grade 12 is a 2016.
Riley Curtis - Denver born 98 grade 11 is a 2017.

USA/Canadian
Colin Munro - NC - born 98 grade 10 is a 2017

dont matter if ya reclass or not - if ya got the skills the Coaches will find ya!!


Munro repeated 8th grade.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 01:54 AM

We love Ty! He gets it! Stop the hate and work harder if you want to get in with the cool kids!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some examples of Canadians
Ethan Walker - Denver/Culver #4 inside lax, born in 97 grade 12 is a 2016.
Jeff Teat - Cornell/Hill Academy, born 97 grade 12 is a 2016.
Riley Curtis - Denver born 98 grade 11 is a 2017.

USA/Canadian
Colin Munro - NC - born 98 grade 10 is a 2017

dont matter if ya reclass or not - if ya got the skills the Coaches will find ya!!


Munro repeated 8th grade.


Toolbar like his dad
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.

Sour Team 91 dad! Gotta love it. . .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.

Sour Team 91 dad! Gotta love it. . .


Ty is just a little lax enthusiast with a blog following. Those that can play do play. Those that can't play end up writing about it and pander to those who will help prop up his self manufactured status built off of kids who can play. Anyone who cares to can follow the best teams and write about the great players. No skills needed there, but his apparent external influences have tarnished any possible small credibility he may have had.

So who is he working for now exactly?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you were to ask those who follow other sports what they thought of a twentysomething year-old who barely played high school lacrosse never coached the game and never graduated college or play the game in college their thoughts on his rankings of high school players as the "standard". They would look at you and say you are NUTS!!! Wake up people!!


Man, then according to you this basketball kid dynamo is a bum and not credible. Talking out of your kiester it seems:

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eddf45jfjf/alex-kline/

Everybody's speculation will probably turn out to be mostly false anyway, who knows what Xandersis up to. A lot of people putting down him (or old employers IL in general) Munro, Danehy, Reed, etc without knowing them in person but wanting to take away from their reputation, knowledge or connections just because little anthony (who almost made the long island showcase, guys!!!! i swear he's good!) wasn't invited to a top event, ranked on 3d's list of 2017 michigan recruits (oh, and other players @RPDLacrosse watched at showtime/3d events/blue chip) or in Inside Lacrosse's top 50 rankings.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.


How is this different than the POTUS? Running our Country with no real background or expertise. Welcome to the world of everybody gets a trophy!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.


How is this different than the POTUS? Running our Country with no real background or expertise. Welcome to the world of everybody gets a trophy!

Did you just compare a college dropout lacrosse writer to the president of the united states?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.


How is this different than the POTUS? Running our Country with no real background or expertise. Welcome to the world of everybody gets a trophy!

Did you just compare a college dropout lacrosse writer to the president of the united states?


Sure did...sorry you voted for him #affirmativeaction #communityorganizer #onebigassmistake
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 02:02 PM

You all are relentless. I understand he's controversial - though probably made out to be more than he actually is in reality - but he's passionate and actually does a rather good with the rankings. Can't make everyone happy and probably missed some names but that's gonna happen to anyone.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 02:05 PM

He gave up lacrosse after his freshman year but followed his volleyball passion for his entire high school career. He then 'left' the academically-rigorous Lynchburg College after one year. Seems to be long on opinions, short on accomplishments.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.


How is this different than the POTUS? Running our Country with no real background or expertise. Welcome to the world of everybody gets a trophy!

Did you just compare a college dropout lacrosse writer to the president of the united states?


Sure did...sorry you voted for him #affirmativeaction #communityorganizer #onebigassmistake


Lets stick with the facts when it comes to evaluating the accuracy of what Ty does. It's easy to find past rankings of kids and to then follow forward their college productivity to determine whether those kids pretty much worked out as Ty had ranked them or were non factors in college. Not sure what we'll find but my guess is probably a relatively equal distribution of hits and misses and a bunch that developed into stars that were ranked low or not at all. I'd also imagine that outside the top 10 the volatility of actual performance increases exponentially. Not an easy job for anybody even if Ty had more field experience but I think as a journalist looking for page views and awareness, mission accomplished in a very big way. What I like best about him and which is part of his genius is that he is never overtly critical - always positive. Like Mom always said, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything. Ty has that down to a tee.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some of you need to start referring to your sons as Shane.


Angrylaxmom is strangely silent…especially since the rankings came out. Wonder what is up with that?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
He gave up lacrosse after his freshman year but followed his volleyball passion for his entire high school career. He then 'left' the academically-rigorous Lynchburg College after one year. Seems to be long on opinions, short on accomplishments.


Lacrosse is a strange world. Everyone hangs on the pronouncements of a non-lacrosse playing college dropout turned kingmaker, and a multi-millionaire ex-lax coach whose biggest accomplishment was turning a terrible team into an okay team who chased out because his players were out of control and didn't want to play for him.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He gave up lacrosse after his freshman year but followed his volleyball passion for his entire high school career. He then 'left' the academically-rigorous Lynchburg College after one year. Seems to be long on opinions, short on accomplishments.


Lacrosse is a strange world. Everyone hangs on the pronouncements of a non-lacrosse playing college dropout turned kingmaker, and a multi-millionaire ex-lax coach whose biggest accomplishment was turning a terrible team into an okay team who chased out because his players were out of control and didn't want to play for him.

Huh?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 03:07 PM

3596 HS Varsity teams times lets say 25 man rosters = just under 90,000 lax players. If a quarter of those kids play club you then have 22,500 kids to evaluate. Split them into Juniors and Seniors and you have over 11,000 players at each age group to evaluate for your top 50 list.

Even if you cut this list in half thats 5,500 kids looking to make the list.

I would say Ty does an excellent job of finding talent and evaluating them. Yes some fall through the cracks cause they dont play on high end travel teams or dont go to the right showcases.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He gave up lacrosse after his freshman year but followed his volleyball passion for his entire high school career. He then 'left' the academically-rigorous Lynchburg College after one year. Seems to be long on opinions, short on accomplishments.


Lacrosse is a strange world. Everyone hangs on the pronouncements of a non-lacrosse playing college dropout turned kingmaker, and a multi-millionaire ex-lax coach whose biggest accomplishment was turning a terrible team into an okay team who chased out because his players were out of control and didn't want to play for him.
this is too funny and too true
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He gave up lacrosse after his freshman year but followed his volleyball passion for his entire high school career. He then 'left' the academically-rigorous Lynchburg College after one year. Seems to be long on opinions, short on accomplishments.


Lacrosse is a strange world. Everyone hangs on the pronouncements of a non-lacrosse playing college dropout turned kingmaker, and a multi-millionaire ex-lax coach whose biggest accomplishment was turning a terrible team into an okay team who chased out because his players were out of control and didn't want to play for him.

Huh?


You don't know much about the multidimensional lacrosse world.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 04:21 PM

I was more referring to the fact that you called him a multi-millionaire. This is lacrosse, how many people are truly making millions?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was more referring to the fact that you called him a multi-millionaire. This is lacrosse, how many people are truly making millions?

The are referring to a certain former D-1 coach out west who has turned the neglected non-hot beds training/club scene into a moneymaker.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 06:16 PM

You were going just fine until you used the word genius in your decription description of Ty Xanders. He is entertaining and seems to enjoy what he does. But no one cares about these rankings. There are so many college all Americans that are never ranked in high school. Of course he misses some kids. He misses hundreds. The missed kids might be better off without all the attention. He can't be everywhere, he goes to select tournaments, listens to what a few select people tell him. But it's meaningless. The one thing it could be is much more objective you could take the kids that go to the top showcases who make the All-Star teams and the MVPs over each year not just most recent summer circuit. That would be a start. But it is really not worth the time. If it was someone else would be doing it.

No one cares about high school lacrosse rankings . Your kids Rank in SCHOOL iis want really matters. And the only lacrosse ranking that matters is your college coach's ranking and your place on the team
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You were going just fine until you used the word genius in your decription description of Ty Xanders. He is entertaining and seems to enjoy what he does. But no one cares about these rankings. There are so many college all Americans that are never ranked in high school. Of course he misses some kids. He misses hundreds. The missed kids might be better off without all the attention. He can't be everywhere, he goes to select tournaments, listens to what a few select people tell him. But it's meaningless. The one thing it could be is much more objective you could take the kids that go to the top showcases who make the All-Star teams and the MVPs over each year not just most recent summer circuit. That would be a start. But it is really not worth the time. If it was someone else would be doing it.

No one cares about high school lacrosse rankings . Your kids Rank in SCHOOL iis want really matters. And the only lacrosse ranking that matters is your college coach's ranking and your place on the team


Sad to say but I was at a golf outing and a club director was on the phone with ty giving him names to write up before the event even took place
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you think maybe parents are exaggerating the % they repeat was offered to their son? A lot of kids get a proud parent brag scholarship as one assistant coach said. $1000 a year to say you are a scholarship athlete is worth a million to the parents and the kids. Some kids get a big % offer but most can't get much. 12.6 is all they have to give out.


So if the coach has 12.6 and 48 players each get about 1/4. If he has some geniuses he gives nothing to those kids because they can get more just academic, and if has some very rich kids he makes them pay full-frieght so daddy can brag that junior plays D1 lax. If a parent can pay for ING let's assume they can pay tuition. Simple math says you can make it work depending on how much they want the player.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some of you need to start referring to your sons as Shane.


Angrylaxmom is strangely silent…especially since the rankings came out. Wonder what is up with that?


Yes. I been missing those tweets. When did the rankings come out? Her last tweet was Sept 17 according to the twitter account.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 07:05 PM

Of course he does. It's a joke. Everyone knows its a joke. Even the kids laugh about it. No one cares. The sad thing certain people pay him to do it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some of you need to start referring to your sons as Shane.


Angrylaxmom is strangely silent…especially since the rankings came out. Wonder what is up with that?


Yes. I been missing those tweets. When did the rankings come out? Her last tweet was Sept 17 according to the twitter account.


Looks like Ty Xanders rankings came out sept 8
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sad to say but I was at a golf outing and a club director was on the phone with ty giving him names to write up before the event even took place

Have you ever thought of the fact that maybe Ty was just getting names of kids to focus on and watch? Insane interpretation on your end, big dawg!

I don't think IL would have ever let him take money from club teams like it was suggested earlier, especially considering their new events business they've established (yeah right) to take over the summer and fall circuit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sad to say but I was at a golf outing and a club director was on the phone with ty giving him names to write up before the event even took place

Have you ever thought of the fact that maybe Ty was just getting names of kids to focus on and watch? Insane interpretation on your end, big dawg!

I don't think IL would have ever let him take money from club teams like it was suggested earlier, especially considering their new events business they've established (yeah right) to take over the summer and fall circuit.


I wouldn't think parents would hold kids back so they could maybe play D1 lacrosse at a crappy school.

I wouldn't think parents would pay $50K + to send a kid to a prep school so maybe he could play D!.

I wouldn't think coaches would put ringers on teams so they would win.

I wouldn't think club coaches would make a promise to a kid he was going to be on a national team only to pay a hefty fee and ride the bench on the local team.

I wouldn't think…….blah blah blah.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sad to say but I was at a golf outing and a club director was on the phone with ty giving him names to write up before the event even took place

Have you ever thought of the fact that maybe Ty was just getting names of kids to focus on and watch? Insane interpretation on your end, big dawg!

I don't think IL would have ever let him take money from club teams like it was suggested earlier, especially considering their new events business they've established (yeah right) to take over the summer and fall circuit.


I wouldn't think parents would hold kids back so they could maybe play D1 lacrosse at a crappy school.

I wouldn't think parents would pay $50K + to send a kid to a prep school so maybe he could play D!.

I wouldn't think coaches would put ringers on teams so they would win.

I wouldn't think club coaches would make a promise to a kid he was going to be on a national team only to pay a hefty fee and ride the bench on the local team.

I wouldn't think…….blah blah blah.

In the sport's current climate, I WOULD think that would all of happen. Bad point to try and throw a kid under the bus. I'm sure he knows that he can't always be right but I think you're way off base.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 07:40 PM

What is he even doing now full time?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You all are relentless. I understand he's controversial - though probably made out to be more than he actually is in reality - but he's passionate and actually does a rather good with the rankings. Can't make everyone happy and probably missed some names but that's gonna happen to anyone.


Ty Xanders is not controversial, he isn't relevant or revered enough to be. Its so funny, a great sport with amazing tradition, a sport with super talented kids having fun playing!
And many of these kids moms & dads are upper class wealthy successful intelligent people who went to outstanding schools with now great careers! Big giant homes, fancy expensive cars, multiple homes & impressive lifestyles!

But yet, a kid who tweets about his excitement to go see "Bassnectar" in concert at Madison Square Garden is able to consume your lives! For some reason he has a "voice" and a couple of dads behind him.

Its nuts.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 11:18 PM

Awesome rant!!! Could not agree more. The sport demands better. The kids deserve better
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/23/14 11:21 PM

You are right it's crazy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You all are relentless. I understand he's controversial - though probably made out to be more than he actually is in reality - but he's passionate and actually does a rather good with the rankings. Can't make everyone happy and probably missed some names but that's gonna happen to anyone.


Ty Xanders is not controversial, he isn't relevant or revered enough to be. Its so funny, a great sport with amazing tradition, a sport with super talented kids having fun playing!
And many of these kids moms & dads are upper class wealthy successful intelligent people who went to outstanding schools with now great careers! Big giant homes, fancy expensive cars, multiple homes & impressive lifestyles!

But yet, a kid who tweets about his excitement to go see "Bassnectar" in concert at Madison Square Garden is able to consume your lives! For some reason he has a "voice" and a couple of dads behind him.

Its nuts.



Great post. How about the Ty Xanders tweets of Solo red cups of brew he is enjoying at Baltimore Orioles games he is attending? Isn't it great that this guy is the "main" reporter/player evaluator in High School age lacrosse players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You all are relentless. I understand he's controversial - though probably made out to be more than he actually is in reality - but he's passionate and actually does a rather good with the rankings. Can't make everyone happy and probably missed some names but that's gonna happen to anyone.


Ty Xanders is not controversial, he isn't relevant or revered enough to be. Its so funny, a great sport with amazing tradition, a sport with super talented kids having fun playing!
And many of these kids moms & dads are upper class wealthy successful intelligent people who went to outstanding schools with now great careers! Big giant homes, fancy expensive cars, multiple homes & impressive lifestyles!

But yet, a kid who tweets about his excitement to go see "Bassnectar" in concert at Madison Square Garden is able to consume your lives! For some reason he has a "voice" and a couple of dads behind him.

Its nuts.



Great post. How about the Ty Xanders tweets of Solo red cups of brew he is enjoying at Baltimore Orioles games he is attending? Isn't it great that this guy is the "main" reporter/player evaluator in High School age lacrosse players.


News flash, kids enjoying solo red cups on their college visits, moron!
Stop looking for reason to bash Ty, you appear as a jealous loser
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 02:25 AM

Karma is a b*tch; as they say, Isnt it Ty?

The curtain has been pulled back and the troll pulling the levers of influence over you has been revealed. The facade being lifted once and for all.

Pretty much puts a wet blanket on your plans to continue to "write" and become both an ambassador for the sport and a potential spokesman for the company that hired you.

Nonetheless, you had a good run.

Now be gone.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 02:29 AM

Oh poor lax dad...they keep talking about how ridiculous it is that this guy is reporting on kids. Never has there been such agreement on Back of the Cage!!!!
Pretty impressive
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 02:40 AM

Dr. J - give it a rest!


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You all are relentless. I understand he's controversial - though probably made out to be more than he actually is in reality - but he's passionate and actually does a rather good with the rankings. Can't make everyone happy and probably missed some names but that's gonna happen to anyone.


Ty Xanders is not controversial, he isn't relevant or revered enough to be. Its so funny, a great sport with amazing tradition, a sport with super talented kids having fun playing!
And many of these kids moms & dads are upper class wealthy successful intelligent people who went to outstanding schools with now great careers! Big giant homes, fancy expensive cars, multiple homes & impressive lifestyles!

But yet, a kid who tweets about his excitement to go see "Bassnectar" in concert at Madison Square Garden is able to consume your lives! For some reason he has a "voice" and a couple of dads behind him.

Its nuts.



Great post. How about the Ty Xanders tweets of Solo red cups of brew he is enjoying at Baltimore Orioles games he is attending? Isn't it great that this guy is the "main" reporter/player evaluator in High School age lacrosse players.


News flash, kids enjoying solo red cups on their college visits, moron!
Stop looking for reason to bash Ty, you appear as a jealous loser


No one needs to LOOK for a reason to BASH Ty, he bashes himself constantly with out even knowing it. He's immature and not qualifited for the role he had with IL. I have no reason to be jealous of anyone, but I think many of us have a problem with someone promoting DRINKING that is writing/covering about underage kids.

As far as your stupid [lacrosse] comment about red cups at college visits, speaks volumes of the type of parent you are.

BTW- why are you assuming that anyone who knocks Ty Xanders that it means their kid wasn't ranked? ? Should I respect or agree with Ty's role in the lacrosse community just because he ranked my kid? NO, I dont! Its called MORALS.

Quint K, Paul Carc, Chris Mortensen (NFL), Peter King (SI), Buster Olney (MLB), Adan Schefter (NFL)- I doubt any of these top sports analyst/reporters would come off as immature on social media or act a fool. Lacrosse is GROWING, we need the men covering the sport to be mature credible professionals.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You all are relentless. I understand he's controversial - though probably made out to be more than he actually is in reality - but he's passionate and actually does a rather good with the rankings. Can't make everyone happy and probably missed some names but that's gonna happen to anyone.


Ty Xanders is not controversial, he isn't relevant or revered enough to be. Its so funny, a great sport with amazing tradition, a sport with super talented kids having fun playing!
And many of these kids moms & dads are upper class wealthy successful intelligent people who went to outstanding schools with now great careers! Big giant homes, fancy expensive cars, multiple homes & impressive lifestyles!

But yet, a kid who tweets about his excitement to go see "Bassnectar" in concert at Madison Square Garden is able to consume your lives! For some reason he has a "voice" and a couple of dads behind him.

Its nuts.



Great post. How about the Ty Xanders tweets of Solo red cups of brew he is enjoying at Baltimore Orioles games he is attending? Isn't it great that this guy is the "main" reporter/player evaluator in High School age lacrosse players.


News flash, kids enjoying solo red cups on their college visits, moron!
Stop looking for reason to bash Ty, you appear as a jealous loser


No one needs to LOOK for a reason to BASH Ty, he bashes himself constantly with out even knowing it. He's immature and not qualifited for the role he had with IL. I have no reason to be jealous of anyone, but I think many of us have a problem with someone promoting DRINKING that is writing/covering about underage kids.

As far as your stupid [lacrosse] comment about red cups at college visits, speaks volumes of the type of parent you are.

BTW- why are you assuming that anyone who knocks Ty Xanders that it means their kid wasn't ranked? ? Should I respect or agree with Ty's role in the lacrosse community just because he ranked my kid? NO, I dont! Its called MORALS.

Quint K, Paul Carc, Chris Mortensen (NFL), Peter King (SI), Buster Olney (MLB), Adan Schefter (NFL)- I doubt any of these top sports analyst/reporters would come off as immature on social media or act a fool. Lacrosse is GROWING, we need the men covering the sport to be mature credible professionals.



If only there were more mature, credible professionals in every walk of life.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 04:15 AM

Is it not legal for 24 year olds to have a beer?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it not legal for 24 year olds to have a beer?


Yes without a doubt! But not flaunting it on your social media account where you know there are 1000's of Middle School and HS players following you. That's not illegal either, but its very unprofessional, immature & bad judgment from a person who is involved heavily with HS Sports.

I have a question for you, do you feel Ty Xanders is a public figure?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 11:43 AM

It's is legal to drink if you are over 21 and most of the coaches and parents do it at the tournaments. Relax, nobody is suggesting young kids should drink. Is that all you got?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's is legal to drink if you are over 21 and most of the coaches and parents do it at the tournaments. Relax, nobody is suggesting young kids should drink. Is that all you got?

Actually, is that all YOU got? The poster makes all those valid points and thats what you comeback with? Your sarcastic reacts are very angry, but yet weak. You are extremely defensive of Ty but yet bring nothing to the table in his defense except "he likes writing about lacrosse", really? You (or someone) compared him to other sports writers, so I think it was interesting that someone gave an example of real sports writers compared to Ty and how those men wouldn't conduct themselves in such a unprofessional manner.

You never answered the question nor did you address any of the points made. Instead you attack anyone on here who is not a Ty fan AND you assume that if a mom or dad comes on here and rips Ty that automatically means thier son wasn't ranked. That was another great point then poster made.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 12:27 PM

Your on a field for maybe 3-4 hours. Why does anyone need to drink? Drinking and driving is all that your doing? Great role models
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it not legal for 24 year olds to have a beer?


Yes without a doubt! But not flaunting it on your social media account where you know there are 1000's of Middle School and HS players following you. That's not illegal either, but its very unprofessional, immature & bad judgment from a person who is involved heavily with HS Sports.

I have a question for you, do you feel Ty Xanders is a public figure?

Then unfollow him! Wait, but you're dying to see what he has to say about your son.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it not legal for 24 year olds to have a beer?


Yes without a doubt! But not flaunting it on your social media account where you know there are 1000's of Middle School and HS players following you. That's not illegal either, but its very unprofessional, immature & bad judgment from a person who is involved heavily with HS Sports.

I have a question for you, do you feel Ty Xanders is a public figure?

Then unfollow him! Wait, but you're dying to see what he has to say about your son.


Thats all you got?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your on a field for maybe 3-4 hours. Why does anyone need to drink? Drinking and driving is all that your doing? Great role models


Not everyone drinks and drives. Two beers over a course of 4 hours does not get a person drunk. If I have a beer my wife, drives anyway. A refreshing beverage on a hot summer afternoon is appealing to many people. I still stand by my prediction that the people complaining about Ty have not been recognized by him. My observations have been that he writes about kids that are game-changers and show consistency. He has a nice writing style. My son has been written about a few times and snubed others. Its all good. Just don't understand the hate.
WORK HARDER=GET NOTICED
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it not legal for 24 year olds to have a beer?


Yes without a doubt! But not flaunting it on your social media account where you know there are 1000's of Middle School and HS players following you. That's not illegal either, but its very unprofessional, immature & bad judgment from a person who is involved heavily with HS Sports.

I have a question for you, do you feel Ty Xanders is a public figure?


Yup - kids are TOTALLY looking at Ty's pictures then going out and drinking because of it. You wouldn't have issue with a 45-year-old man having pictures of wine but because it's a young kid with a massive following who is a lacrosse writer, it seems to be an issue.

Don't hurt your brains thinking too hard.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 01:04 PM

I hope that the kid is reading this and starts to wisen up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 01:26 PM

That's because the guy supporting him is probably the guy who is either writing his checks or influencing him to write about certain kids that's pretty obvious. If committed kids tweeted the stuff that Xanders tweets there is good chance they could loose their commitment . Other qualified sports writers don't tweet such garbage.

Good for Inside Lacrosse that he is no longer working for them. They should be more careful about who they hire next.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your on a field for maybe 3-4 hours. Why does anyone need to drink? Drinking and driving is all that your doing? Great role models


Not everyone drinks and drives. Two beers over a course of 4 hours does not get a person drunk. If I have a beer my wife, drives anyway. A refreshing beverage on a hot summer afternoon is appealing to many people. I still stand by my prediction that the people complaining about Ty have not been recognized by him. My observations have been that he writes about kids that are game-changers and show consistency. He has a nice writing style. My son has been written about a few times and snubed others. Its all good. Just don't understand the hate.
WORK HARDER=GET NOTICED


Ok, I'll tell my son to work harder.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's because the guy supporting him is probably the guy who is either writing his checks or influencing him to write about certain kids that's pretty obvious. If committed kids tweeted the stuff that Xanders tweets there is good chance they could loose their commitment . Other qualified sports writers don't tweet such garbage.

Good for Inside Lacrosse that he is no longer working for them. They should be more careful about who they hire next.

He definitely teeters the line, but I don't see it as that bad. Examples?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's because the guy supporting him is probably the guy who is either writing his checks or influencing him to write about certain kids that's pretty obvious. If committed kids tweeted the stuff that Xanders tweets there is good chance they could loose their commitment . Other qualified sports writers don't tweet such garbage.

Good for Inside Lacrosse that he is no longer working for them. They should be more careful about who they hire next.


well said.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sad to say but I was at a golf outing and a club director was on the phone with ty giving him names to write up before the event even took place

Have you ever thought of the fact that maybe Ty was just getting names of kids to focus on and watch? Insane interpretation on your end, big dawg!

I don't think IL would have ever let him take money from club teams like it was suggested earlier, especially considering their new events business they've established (yeah right) to take over the summer and fall circuit.


I wouldn't think parents would hold kids back so they could maybe play D1 lacrosse at a crappy school.

I wouldn't think parents would pay $50K + to send a kid to a prep school so maybe he could play D!.

I wouldn't think coaches would put ringers on teams so they would win.

I wouldn't think club coaches would make a promise to a kid he was going to be on a national team only to pay a hefty fee and ride the bench on the local team.

I wouldn't think…….blah blah blah.

In the sport's current climate, I WOULD think that would all of happen. Bad point to try and throw a kid under the bus. I'm sure he knows that he can't always be right but I think you're way off base.


Why do you keep referring to him as a kid...he's 24 years old! He's a grown man. He's doing a job that he fell into and gets paid for. Kudos to him! But, to say some on his list are not absolutely political? That's comical! The politics that take place behind the phones are amazing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 01:35 PM

Don't know of any 45 year olds tweeting pictures drinking wine. But perhaps you do ....enough said. You and Ty Xanders have a lot in common. That's nothing to be proud of
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 01:48 PM

2 beers in 4 hrs can get you a DUI easily. Are there people like you really parenting children. Maybe there needs to be certain qualifications for posting on here. Go ahead drink 2 beers in 4 hrs then blow a red light good luck when you get pulled over......what a genius. Maybe you can call you buddy Ty Xanders to bail you out.
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sad to say but I was at a golf outing and a club director was on the phone with ty giving him names to write up before the event even took place

Have you ever thought of the fact that maybe Ty was just getting names of kids to focus on and watch? Insane interpretation on your end, big dawg!

I don't think IL would have ever let him take money from club teams like it was suggested earlier, especially considering their new events business they've established (yeah right) to take over the summer and fall circuit.


I wouldn't think parents would hold kids back so they could maybe play D1 lacrosse at a crappy school.

I wouldn't think parents would pay $50K + to send a kid to a prep school so maybe he could play D!.

I wouldn't think coaches would put ringers on teams so they would win.

I wouldn't think club coaches would make a promise to a kid he was going to be on a national team only to pay a hefty fee and ride the bench on the local team.

I wouldn't think…….blah blah blah.

In the sport's current climate, I WOULD think that would all of happen. Bad point to try and throw a kid under the bus. I'm sure he knows that he can't always be right but I think you're way off base.


Why do you keep referring to him as a kid...he's 24 years old! He's a grown man. He's doing a job that he fell into and gets paid for. Kudos to him! But, to say some on his list are not absolutely political? That's comical! The politics that take place behind the phones are amazing.


Because he is a kid. He has no qualifications. He could not even graduate college. What are his accomplishment and qualifications to be called a man???? But it's ok to write about the kids......crazy
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 beers in 4 hrs can get you a DUI easily. Are there people like you really parenting children. Maybe there needs to be certain qualifications for posting on here. Go ahead drink 2 beers in 4 hrs then blow a red light good luck when you get pulled over......what a genius. Maybe you can call you buddy Ty Xanders to bail you out.


You are an idiot, and have your head buried in the sand. A normal adult metabolizes 1 drink per hour. FACT. You would not be at all impaired, not even close having 2 beers in 4 hours. I also said my wife drives if I drink anything. Do you also sit in your hotel room while the other parents and coaches socialize? You are just looking to be a jerk, amazing a grown man can be so jealous of a kid who didn't notice his son, feel sorry for you!
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 02:39 PM

Yep!! He is a kid. Only a kid could get into a mess like this.
He brings onto himself.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 02:44 PM

All human beings need college degrees to be credible?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 beers in 4 hrs can get you a DUI easily. Are there people like you really parenting children. Maybe there needs to be certain qualifications for posting on here. Go ahead drink 2 beers in 4 hrs then blow a red light good luck when you get pulled over......what a genius. Maybe you can call you buddy Ty Xanders to bail you out.
yeah if you weigh 90 lbs. You will not be anywhere near DWI or DUI drinking 2 beers( or 2 glasses of wine or 2 shots) in a 4hr period. That is why everyone asked says they only had 2 beers. -Retired P.0.
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 02:59 PM

"moron" , "idiot" or "jerk". Whats with the silly name calling garbage on this thread? Seriously, grow up. I guess those are dudes that their wives don't let speak around the house. Gotta come on here and be a tough MAN! Anonymously of course.
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 03:29 PM

The real issue is that Inside Lacrosse along with several other publications have written articles about the importance for the sport to shake it's "Lax Bro, rich kids-behaving-badly" image. The tragic event at UVA, the media circus surrounding Duke and the hazing incidents at Cornell and Bucknell have only reinforced the bratty, entitled public perception of the sport. If the most important rankings and evaluations are coming from a preppy underachiever who tweets about his hangovers, it's really not helping lacrosse gain any kind of credibility.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 03:35 PM

Yes a sports writer should have a college degree. Don't most of the people coaching your kids have college degrees. So if some is going observe kids playing and then credibly judge and write about them that person should have a college degree. It's not a stretch. Should that be a reasonable expectation. Or should lacrosse be treated differently than any other sport.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
All human beings need college degrees to be credible?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
All human beings need college degrees to be credible?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
All human beings need college degrees to be credible?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
All human beings need college degrees to be credible?


if he does not have a college degree you don't have to pay him that much
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The real issue is that Inside Lacrosse along with several other publications have written articles about the importance for the sport to shake it's "Lax Bro, rich kids-behaving-badly" image. The tragic event at UVA, the media circus surrounding Duke and the hazing incidents at Cornell and Bucknell have only reinforced the bratty, entitled public perception of the sport. If the most important rankings and evaluations are coming from a preppy underachiever who tweets about his hangovers, it's really not helping lacrosse gain any kind of credibility.


Well you cannot hit the nail on the head any harder than that post. Completely agree.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 04:41 PM

I wouldn't want Bill Gates ranking my kid on his Computer skills as he never graduated from College!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 04:58 PM

Pittsburgh Pirates celebrate playoff birth with champagne in dressing room!!
Thank god my kid doesn't play baseball as they are not role models drinking alcohol during the season!!
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wouldn't want Bill Gates ranking my kid on his Computer skills as he never graduated from College!


Only on BOC can you have a buffoon comparing Ty Xanders to Bill Gates. Sorry genius it's a ridiculous comparison.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wouldn't want Bill Gates ranking my kid on his Computer skills as he never graduated from College!


That is reaching. Bill Gates is one of the leaders in the IT and computer industry. Ty Xanders never played or coached lacrosse at a high level and has some credibility issues to put politely.
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wouldn't want Bill Gates ranking my kid on his Computer skills as he never graduated from College!


Only on BOC can you have a buffoon comparing Ty Xanders to Bill Gates. Sorry genius it's a ridiculous comparison.

No one is comparing Gates or Obama to Xanders, we all know that's ridiculous. Can't totally discredit him for not having a college degree. Plenty of people don't get them and do just fine in life. I'm sure he learned plenty of what to do and what not to do in life after his years at Inside Lacrosse. We all know that place has lost all credibility anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wouldn't want Bill Gates ranking my kid on his Computer skills as he never graduated from College!


Okay Einstein let me get this straight let's skip the college thing after a year (Gates was smart enough to get into Harvard Without lacrosse) and hope that your kid becomes the next billionaire computer programmer and inventor or let's finish college and graduate. I think I'll take my chances with my kid graduating college.

Unfortunately you are probably serious

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 06:16 PM

Real question for committed folks from 2018 parent.

How much scholorship money are they promissing for 1st year?

Patriot schools look like some but not all provide-

Assume that the duke, uva michigan type schools also provide merit for grades and athletic dollars?

Looking for advice prior to going to a bunch of prospect days for schools we can't afford...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 06:34 PM

the average is about 30% for the Dukes UVA, Michigans. Some kids get a little more some get less. Do not expect the same from all Patriot schools. They have conference restrictions and not all of them have funding for the 12.6 scholarships that is allowed. The Patriot league just started giving some football scholarships.

Don't count on any merit money for academics this early in high school. It's too early and kids have not even taken the SAT/ACT

As you probably know the Ivies are not allowed to give athletic scholarships, but need based money is quite plentiful if you qualify.

The whole recruiting situation can be very expensive.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 06:35 PM

Sorry, this thread is only for ripping writers and rankers...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Real question for committed folks from 2018 parent.

How much scholorship money are they promissing for 1st year?

Patriot schools look like some but not all provide-

Assume that the duke, uva michigan type schools also provide merit for grades and athletic dollars?

Looking for advice prior to going to a bunch of prospect days for schools we can't afford...


Any money your son gets from the school is counted against the coaches athletic scholarship money. What this means is that if your son can get need based and academic money he most likely will get no athletic money. Don't let these parents fool you when they talk about all of the money there son's received. If your son qualifies for a decent amount of non athletic money the coach will most likely give him no athletic money so it can be used on another player that may not get as much or any need based or academic money.

When you go to a prospect day the coach will explain this to you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sorry, this thread is only for ripping writers and rankers...
Yeah, please stop interrupting the Ty Zanders bashing. I haven;t had this much fun on this board in awhile (got the popcorn out), maybe since the whole hold-back/PG posts. Keep the Ty Zanders convo coming ):
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sorry, this thread is only for ripping writers and rankers...
Yeah, please stop interrupting the Ty Zanders bashing. I haven;t had this much fun on this board in awhile (got the popcorn out), maybe since the whole hold-back/PG posts. Keep the Ty Zanders convo coming ):


If you like the hold back posts they have now infiltrated the 2018 thread.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Real question for committed folks from 2018 parent.

How much scholorship money are they promissing for 1st year?

Patriot schools look like some but not all provide-

Assume that the duke, uva michigan type schools also provide merit for grades and athletic dollars?

Looking for advice prior to going to a bunch of prospect days for schools we can't afford...


Any money your son gets from the school is counted against the coaches athletic scholarship money. What this means is that if your son can get need based and academic money he most likely will get no athletic money. Don't let these parents fool you when they talk about all of the money there son's received. If your son qualifies for a decent amount of non athletic money the coach will most likely give him no athletic money so it can be used on another player that may not get as much or any need based or academic money.

When you go to a prospect day the coach will explain this to you.


I disagree. We been to 5 schools had 5 meetings and never heard or felt if your son can get need based and academic money he most likely will get no athletic money. I don't mean to be argumentative but I really think EVERY situation is different.

Not in this order but these are the variables,
-Income/Need base
-Your sons ability
-Your sons HS academically and lacrosse program (is he being challenged academically and
-Your sons DESIRE to attend that school (most important IMO)
-How many players committed to THAT school in THAT class (works like a budget)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 07:50 PM

The gold standard for any non-revenue sport coach at a scholarship school is a top recruit who is also a top student. It is true that most savvy coaches will identify top student candidates who can get some academic merit money. It is spot on that these dollars can be bigger and we all know that men's Title IX money in lacrosse are scarce at 12.6 to go around. Need based money is just that...if you are not a high income family that aid can be substantial as well. I do think it is off to believe that college coaches don't consider recruits who are also more exceptional students in a MUCH higher regard. Beyond the academic money possibilities those are also the kids lesser likely to create problems and get in trouble while in the program...no coach wants a harder job because of player behavior.

And Ty Xanders sucks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
the average is about 30% for the Dukes UVA, Michigans. Some kids get a little more some get less. Do not expect the same from all Patriot schools. They have conference restrictions and not all of them have funding for the 12.6 scholarships that is allowed. The Patriot league just started giving some football scholarships.

Don't count on any merit money for academics this early in high school. It's too early and kids have not even taken the SAT/ACT

As you probably know the Ivies are not allowed to give athletic scholarships, but need based money is quite plentiful if you qualify.

The whole recruiting situation can be very expensive.


Patriots have $$ when they want to have $$. Otherwise I agree with everything else you said.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the average is about 30% for the Dukes UVA, Michigans. Some kids get a little more some get less. Do not expect the same from all Patriot schools. They have conference restrictions and not all of them have funding for the 12.6 scholarships that is allowed. The Patriot league just started giving some football scholarships.

Don't count on any merit money for academics this early in high school. It's too early and kids have not even taken the SAT/ACT

As you probably know the Ivies are not allowed to give athletic scholarships, but need based money is quite plentiful if you qualify.

The whole recruiting situation can be very expensive.


Patriots have $$ when they want to have $$. Otherwise I agree with everything else you said.


Thanks. What is a smart amount of prospect days to do this Fall? 2?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/24/14 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the average is about 30% for the Dukes UVA, Michigans. Some kids get a little more some get less. Do not expect the same from all Patriot schools. They have conference restrictions and not all of them have funding for the 12.6 scholarships that is allowed. The Patriot league just started giving some football scholarships.

Don't count on any merit money for academics this early in high school. It's too early and kids have not even taken the SAT/ACT

As you probably know the Ivies are not allowed to give athletic scholarships, but need based money is quite plentiful if you qualify.

The whole recruiting situation can be very expensive.


Patriots have $$ when they want to have $$. Otherwise I agree with everything else you said.


Thanks. What is a smart amount of prospect days to do this Fall? 2?


Some schools have a calculator tool on their website, it can give you an idea of what your kid can get with projected academics, not perfect but it can quickly shave 10-15K off costs to give you idea where you stand without athletic money. At privates can add up unless you are wildly wealthy or a poor student.

I would go to ones that are not too expensive/within driving distance and your son has a sincere ingest in the school for academics, or if the invite you got seemed very personalized, not just the kid's name and a lame "I saw you play" but with details of where and what position your son plays or if they ask your son to call him or ask to send fall schedules if you cannot make it.
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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/25/14 04:51 PM

Who thinks it is a reasonable value to pay 50-60K a year, all in, to attend a nescac or ivy school to play lacrosse? Assume the kid is motivated. Assume the kid could go to a decent state school for 1/3 of that? Set aside affordability for a minute- assume it's potentially affordable, with significant family sacrifice....is it worth it from a value perspective? Would like to hear from some parents/players who have been through that process, not speculative guesses passed off as informed opinions. Thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/25/14 05:16 PM

I would assume that a player who is academically qualified to attend an Ivy or NESCAC, is not choosing to attend that school solely to play lacrosse. Generally, players who choose this path, are selecting a school based on academics and THEN looking at the opportunity to play lacrosse. Not the other way around.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/25/14 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who thinks it is a reasonable value to pay 50-60K a year, all in, to attend a nescac or ivy school to play lacrosse? Assume the kid is motivated. Assume the kid could go to a decent state school for 1/3 of that? Set aside affordability for a minute- assume it's potentially affordable, with significant family sacrifice....is it worth it from a value perspective? Would like to hear from some parents/players who have been through that process, not speculative guesses passed off as informed opinions. Thanks.
It seems to me you are missing the point. You are not paying 50-60k a year to play lacrosse but to presumably attend a great school. If you believe your son can go to an Ivy or NESCAC, would be happy and fit in there, do reasonable well in school (not in way over his head), and be able to play lax as well if could be a great lifetime opportunity for him. This was my son's experience at at Ivy and he wouldn't have changed it for the world.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/25/14 05:27 PM

I have no idea. $250k for a college degree sounds unreasonable to me. Perhaps at Harvard or other Ivy the cost is outweighed by the connections made that can turn into $ in the future. But at Williams or Amherst, not so sure.

I know the kids that I hire from time to time struggling with loan debt at a $50k per year job means years of pain...

If your family can get need based $, the true cost is far less. There are net cost calculators on most of the college sites that give you a potential number...If you can get nescac at $25k (state school cost) then it is no brainer...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/25/14 05:31 PM

Yes, of course would be going for academics first, lacrosse second- sorry if that was unclear in the initial post. The lacrosse would help in admissions, though.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/25/14 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would assume that a player who is academically qualified to attend an Ivy or NESCAC, is not choosing to attend that school solely to play lacrosse. Generally, players who choose this path, are selecting a school based on academics and THEN looking at the opportunity to play lacrosse. Not the other way around.


You're all missing the point. Lacrosse should be used to propel ones academic pursuits. If you can make it into a Patriot School without Lacrosse, maybe Lacrosse gets you in an Ivy. If you can make it into a good D3 type school, maybe Lacrosse gets you into a NESCAC. Let's face it, 99.9% of the kids that get into an IVY with Lacrosse would have ZERO chance of getting into that school without lacrosse. To say otherwise is just intellectually disingenuous.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/25/14 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would assume that a player who is academically qualified to attend an Ivy or NESCAC, is not choosing to attend that school solely to play lacrosse. Generally, players who choose this path, are selecting a school based on academics and THEN looking at the opportunity to play lacrosse. Not the other way around.


You're all missing the point. Lacrosse should be used to propel ones academic pursuits. If you can make it into a Patriot School without Lacrosse, maybe Lacrosse gets you in an Ivy. If you can make it into a good D3 type school, maybe Lacrosse gets you into a NESCAC. Let's face it, 99.9% of the kids that get into an IVY with Lacrosse would have ZERO chance of getting into that school without lacrosse. To say otherwise is just intellectually disingenuous.



I think these are all question that should be best answered by the expert on lacrosse recruiting the one and only Ty Xanders. Just tweet him a question and he will give his unbiased, intelligent, expert answer complete with nice snap shot of him with a red solo cup and goofy Orioles cap during a fast food binge.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/25/14 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would assume that a player who is academically qualified to attend an Ivy or NESCAC, is not choosing to attend that school solely to play lacrosse. Generally, players who choose this path, are selecting a school based on academics and THEN looking at the opportunity to play lacrosse. Not the other way around.


You're all missing the point. Lacrosse should be used to propel ones academic pursuits. If you can make it into a Patriot School without Lacrosse, maybe Lacrosse gets you in an Ivy. If you can make it into a good D3 type school, maybe Lacrosse gets you into a NESCAC. Let's face it, 99.9% of the kids that get into an IVY with Lacrosse would have ZERO chance of getting into that school without lacrosse. To say otherwise is just intellectually disingenuous.



I think these are all question that should be best answered by the expert on lacrosse recruiting the one and only Ty Xanders. Just tweet him a question and he will give his unbiased, intelligent, expert answer complete with nice snap shot of him with a red solo cup and goofy Orioles cap during a fast food binge.
He has a lot of perspective to share not even graduating from Lynchburg.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/25/14 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would assume that a player who is academically qualified to attend an Ivy or NESCAC, is not choosing to attend that school solely to play lacrosse. Generally, players who choose this path, are selecting a school based on academics and THEN looking at the opportunity to play lacrosse. Not the other way around.


You're all missing the point. Lacrosse should be used to propel ones academic pursuits. If you can make it into a Patriot School without Lacrosse, maybe Lacrosse gets you in an Ivy. If you can make it into a good D3 type school, maybe Lacrosse gets you into a NESCAC. Let's face it, 99.9% of the kids that get into an IVY with Lacrosse would have ZERO chance of getting into that school without lacrosse. To say otherwise is just intellectually disingenuous.



I think these are all question that should be best answered by the expert on lacrosse recruiting the one and only Ty Xanders. Just tweet him a question and he will give his unbiased, intelligent, expert answer complete with nice snap shot of him with a red solo cup and goofy Orioles cap during a fast food binge.
He has a lot of perspective to share not even graduating from Lynchburg.



He is the self proclaimed expert .......just ask him
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/25/14 07:44 PM

I really don't get all of this. My 2017 got no attention last year. He is not an early bloomer, and had to develop confidence and aggressiveness. One of the "experts" told us we had to reclass and have him do a PG year. We ignored him, because life is not about lacrosse. Instead he worked hard, hit the weight room and did some speed training. Early fall he got an offer from a top 5 program and another from a top 20. Much to his younger brothers dismay, the lower ranked lacrosse program is a better fit for his academic interests, so that is his decision. He is thrilled to have the opportunity he was given.

Have we tweeted to the world or gotten his video on Inside Lacrosse? Nope. He realizes he just made the first step. He now needs to continue to improve his game, gain muscle, work hard in school and continue hanging out with kids who don't party and get in trouble. He knows he is a sophomore, a lot can change in 2 and a half years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/25/14 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I really don't get all of this. My 2017 got no attention last year. He is not an early bloomer, and had to develop confidence and aggressiveness. One of the "experts" told us we had to reclass and have him do a PG year. We ignored him, because life is not about lacrosse. Instead he worked hard, hit the weight room and did some speed training. Early fall he got an offer from a top 5 program and another from a top 20. Much to his younger brothers dismay, the lower ranked lacrosse program is a better fit for his academic interests, so that is his decision. He is thrilled to have the opportunity he was given.

Have we tweeted to the world or gotten his video on Inside Lacrosse? Nope. He realizes he just made the first step. He now needs to continue to improve his game, gain muscle, work hard in school and continue hanging out with kids who don't party and get in trouble. He knows he is a sophomore, a lot can change in 2 and a half years.


Ty Xanders would probably agree did you check with first ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/25/14 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I really don't get all of this. My 2017 got no attention last year. He is not an early bloomer, and had to develop confidence and aggressiveness. One of the "experts" told us we had to reclass and have him do a PG year. We ignored him, because life is not about lacrosse. Instead he worked hard, hit the weight room and did some speed training. Early fall he got an offer from a top 5 program and another from a top 20. Much to his younger brothers dismay, the lower ranked lacrosse program is a better fit for his academic interests, so that is his decision. He is thrilled to have the opportunity he was given.

Have we tweeted to the world or gotten his video on Inside Lacrosse? Nope. He realizes he just made the first step. He now needs to continue to improve his game, gain muscle, work hard in school and continue hanging out with kids who don't party and get in trouble. He knows he is a sophomore, a lot can change in 2 and a half years.


Ty Xanders would probably agree did you check with first ?


I don't know how those crazy, know nothing coaches managed to find him without Xander's expert opinion. Just because a coach has been to the final four or won an NCAA championship doesn't mean he knows more than Ty, right?

My point in posting was don't buy into the hype, and don't be surprised when some of the kids who are committed now become decommited later due to coaching changes or an inability to gain admission to the school. Pick the school that is a great place for your son's intended field of study.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/25/14 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes, of course would be going for academics first, lacrosse second- sorry if that was unclear in the initial post. The lacrosse would help in admissions, though.


Or you could just get a letter of recommendation from Ty Zanders and your kid is all set
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 09/26/14 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I really don't get all of this. My 2017 got no attention last year. He is not an early bloomer, and had to develop confidence and aggressiveness. One of the "experts" told us we had to reclass and have him do a PG year. We ignored him, because life is not about lacrosse. Instead he worked hard, hit the weight room and did some speed training. Early fall he got an offer from a top 5 program and another from a top 20. Much to his younger brothers dismay, the lower ranked lacrosse program is a better fit for his academic interests, so that is his decision. He is thrilled to have the opportunity he was given.

Have we tweeted to the world or gotten his video on Inside Lacrosse? Nope. He realizes he just made the first step. He now needs to continue to improve his game, gain muscle, work hard in school and continue hanging out with kids who don't party and get in trouble. He knows he is a sophomore, a lot can change in 2 and a half years.


You will be wise to keep preaching that mentality to your son. What a commitment today and an NLI in December of his senior year really means is he gets scholarship dollars his first year, then a locker with cleats and a uniform. That's it. From there it is sink or swim and neither you or anyone else can help mold an outcome from there. The best kids will see the field and renew scholarship dollars, and the kids who can't play will sit and renew at less scholarship dollars to make the shuffle work for kids who earned ahead o him. The best kids play, and the best chance your son has to be one of them is to be the best prepared and trained kid when he arrives. Anyone telling you otherwise is selling something.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/01/14 02:10 AM

How do you determine whether an invitation to a prospect camp is
real interest or just because you did well at a showcase?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/01/14 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do you determine whether an invitation to a prospect camp is
real interest or just because you did well at a showcase?


If your club coach calls you and tells you that "Such and such College" coach called about you and wants you to go to their camp, then there is real interest. Otherwise, coaches get access to player email lists at tourneys and showcases and just send to everyone. Primary purpose of event is to supplement income, if it wasn't they would be free. Even if your club coach sends it to you, that's just his recommendation that you go, not interest from college.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/01/14 10:41 AM

Some are money making events.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/01/14 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do you determine whether an invitation to a prospect camp is
real interest or just because you did well at a showcase?


If your club coach calls you and tells you that "Such and such College" coach called about you and wants you to go to their camp, then there is real interest. Otherwise, coaches get access to player email lists at tourneys and showcases and just send to everyone. Primary purpose of event is to supplement income, if it wasn't they would be free. Even if your club coach sends it to you, that's just his recommendation that you go, not interest from college.


Everybody's trying to make money from crazy parents trying to get their kids into a better college using lacrosse. When the media point person for lacrosse is a 24-year-old college dropout who is now pushing certain showcases you know things are completely out of control

Most of these events are a waste of money. Be careful. Speak to people who have been through it and been successful. There is a place for every kid and you don't have to spend your life savings
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/01/14 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do you determine whether an invitation to a prospect camp is
real interest or just because you did well at a showcase?


If your club coach calls you and tells you that "Such and such College" coach called about you and wants you to go to their camp, then there is real interest. Otherwise, coaches get access to player email lists at tourneys and showcases and just send to everyone. Primary purpose of event is to supplement income, if it wasn't they would be free. Even if your club coach sends it to you, that's just his recommendation that you go, not interest from college.


Yes correct. But also if they send it to your son (or you) directly or through the club coach the other key is if they open it up to your son BEFORE they open it to general public (which they have to).

Thats why at certain events (like some schools do with their prospect camps) the all star selections are selected privately BEFORE the camp even happens. Reason is, they have strong interest in the kid, have seen him play before and want to take a closer look at the player. Happens all the time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 11:53 AM

Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 12:17 PM

We all come on here and complain, fight and agrue about what HS lax program is better or rankings or what college or club team is better. But i think we all can agree and feel the same sorrow for the young football player from SWR H.S on L.I. who lost his life tragically last night during a HS football game.

This is so sad and thoughts and prayers go to that young mans family during this horrific time. RIP.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!



What are you saying??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!



When people say this moron has no pull in the lacrosse world, you're wrong!! He is the mouth piece and as sad as it is to say, college coaches do listen to this, and influential coaches that are "plugging" their kids. There are many kids that are better than those that have the "IN" but, "all is not fair in the world". It is "who you know" but, in the end...these kids do need to perform, so lets see how it all pans out
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!


Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!


Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.



He only ranks those players that he is told to rank. As far as speaking to coaches. Do you really think he speaks to all 67 division 1 coaches.....no chance. There are so many conflicts of interest ... No wonder he left Inside Lacrosse. Any body could pick 50 kids that are committed. Even Xy Tanders can do that. What a genius.... The real question is who is he working for now......

The lacrosse world has to do better that this
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!


Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.


I think most were committed before the list was released, and the others probably had offers. Big deal. I can put together a list of 25 2017 kids who are committed or have multiple offers in an hour. It doesn't mean they are the "top". My son has played with or against some of the kids and they are all good. Are some other unranked kids he knows, as good or better, yep. Have we seen unranked defenders shut down some of the stars, yep, have we seen unranked kids score on ranked kids repeatedly? Yep.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 03:28 PM

What a dumb comment (as usual). Weren't 23 of the 25 already committed when they composed the list ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!


Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.


I think most were committed before the list was released, and the others probably had offers. Big deal. I can put together a list of 25 2017 kids who are committed or have multiple offers in an hour. It doesn't mean they are the "top". My son has played with or against some of the kids and they are all good. Are some other unranked kids he knows, as good or better, yep. Have we seen unranked defenders shut down some of the stars, yep, have we seen unranked kids score on ranked kids repeatedly? Yep.


Agree completely. He missed a several great kids that don't play on the right teams. Some are outside of Maryland and Long Island. Not in traditional areas
But it doesn't matter much. There will be more credible lists in the future. Everyone know this guy is a joke
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 04:05 PM

[quote=Anonymous]What a dumb comment (as usual). Weren't 23 of the 25 already committed when they composed the list ??

And you were expecting something brilliant from this idiot. He should be flipping burgers or parking cars somewhere. He would be much better off keeping quiet and going away.......what has the world come to when a clown like this gets so much attention. Even our kids think he is a joke
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 04:23 PM

What a stupid statement, some of the top programs have only one 2017 or no 2017s committed. Syracuse has one, Bryant has 0,
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a stupid statement, some of the top programs have only one 2017 or no 2017s committed. Syracuse has one, Bryant has 0,


And several ivies as well have 0 or very few. But what does this have to do with the prior comment or rankings of players ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!


Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.



He only ranks those players that he is told to rank. As far as speaking to coaches. Do you really think he speaks to all 67 division 1 coaches.....no chance. There are so many conflicts of interest ... No wonder he left Inside Lacrosse. Any body could pick 50 kids that are committed. Even Xy Tanders can do that. What a genius.... The real question is who is he working for now......

The lacrosse world has to do better that this


Ty Xanders is moreso a puppet to the prominent club coaches and owners who are like crystal meth addicts looking to get their kids ranked and committed to decorate their club websites. I am sure he has some audience with most D1 coaches and may have the close ear of some but I think he is more a conduit for the club owners who also put on tourneys or are money involved in showcases. We are all lacrosse parents far enough into this now to understand it is a racket. I am sure Ty Xanders is on his own because there are some bespoke relationships he has in Baltimore, Philly, LI and TriState areas. Instead of the crystal meth addicts (club guys) dealing with a sophisticated audience they get to pull around a 24 year old [lacrosse] clown named Ty. Maybe I am way off or just too tainted by the Crabs organization tie ins to him personally and IL in general. That club owner practically does the write ups and hands it to the likes of Ty or other and if they don't play ball they get whacked to borrow from the Baltimore lacrosse mafia term. This is how mediocre players from families in the gunga get hyped to NCAA coaches, many of whom are too lazy to do their own diligence and sign the short list of recommended kids. Why do you think Hop and UVa and some others have declined and are on a slow train toward sucking these recent years?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!


Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.



He only ranks those players that he is told to rank. As far as speaking to coaches. Do you really think he speaks to all 67 division 1 coaches.....no chance. There are so many conflicts of interest ... No wonder he left Inside Lacrosse. Any body could pick 50 kids that are committed. Even Xy Tanders can do that. What a genius.... The real question is who is he working for now......

The lacrosse world has to do better that this


Ty Xanders is moreso a puppet to the prominent club coaches and owners who are like crystal meth addicts looking to get their kids ranked and committed to decorate their club websites. I am sure he has some audience with most D1 coaches and may have the close ear of some but I think he is more a conduit for the club owners who also put on tourneys or are money involved in showcases. We are all lacrosse parents far enough into this now to understand it is a racket. I am sure Ty Xanders is on his own because there are some bespoke relationships he has in Baltimore, Philly, LI and TriState areas. Instead of the crystal meth addicts (club guys) dealing with a sophisticated audience they get to pull around a 24 year old [lacrosse] clown named Ty. Maybe I am way off or just too tainted by the Crabs organization tie ins to him personally and IL in general. That club owner practically does the write ups and hands it to the likes of Ty or other and if they don't play ball they get whacked to borrow from the Baltimore lacrosse mafia term. This is how mediocre players from families in the gunga get hyped to NCAA coaches, many of whom are too lazy to do their own diligence and sign the short list of recommended kids. Why do you think Hop and UVa and some others have declined and are on a slow train toward sucking these recent years?


Wow, you really have to give up the anger that your kid is not ranked. You are boarderline crazy with your inaccurate over analysis!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!


Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.



He only ranks those players that he is told to rank. As far as speaking to coaches. Do you really think he speaks to all 67 division 1 coaches.....no chance. There are so many conflicts of interest ... No wonder he left Inside Lacrosse. Any body could pick 50 kids that are committed. Even Xy Tanders can do that. What a genius.... The real question is who is he working for now......

The lacrosse world has to do better that this


Ty Xanders is moreso a puppet to the prominent club coaches and owners who are like crystal meth addicts looking to get their kids ranked and committed to decorate their club websites. I am sure he has some audience with most D1 coaches and may have the close ear of some but I think he is more a conduit for the club owners who also put on tourneys or are money involved in showcases. We are all lacrosse parents far enough into this now to understand it is a racket. I am sure Ty Xanders is on his own because there are some bespoke relationships he has in Baltimore, Philly, LI and TriState areas. Instead of the crystal meth addicts (club guys) dealing with a sophisticated audience they get to pull around a 24 year old [lacrosse] clown named Ty. Maybe I am way off or just too tainted by the Crabs organization tie ins to him personally and IL in general. That club owner practically does the write ups and hands it to the likes of Ty or other and if they don't play ball they get whacked to borrow from the Baltimore lacrosse mafia term. This is how mediocre players from families in the gunga get hyped to NCAA coaches, many of whom are too lazy to do their own diligence and sign the short list of recommended kids. Why do you think Hop and UVa and some others have declined and are on a slow train toward sucking these recent years?


Yep, and I would be surprised if there was not influence from 3$ as well. I am assuming there is a deal there. Some of those kids are ranked higher than their play suggests, even if they are older.

As far as D1 coaches, why in the world would they let anyone know who they were after until they had them committed? Why get a feeding frenzy started?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/02/14 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!


Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.



He only ranks those players that he is told to rank. As far as speaking to coaches. Do you really think he speaks to all 67 division 1 coaches.....no chance. There are so many conflicts of interest ... No wonder he left Inside Lacrosse. Any body could pick 50 kids that are committed. Even Xy Tanders can do that. What a genius.... The real question is who is he working for now......

The lacrosse world has to do better that this


Ty Xanders is moreso a puppet to the prominent club coaches and owners who are like crystal meth addicts looking to get their kids ranked and committed to decorate their club websites. I am sure he has some audience with most D1 coaches and may have the close ear of some but I think he is more a conduit for the club owners who also put on tourneys or are money involved in showcases. We are all lacrosse parents far enough into this now to understand it is a racket. I am sure Ty Xanders is on his own because there are some bespoke relationships he has in Baltimore, Philly, LI and TriState areas. Instead of the crystal meth addicts (club guys) dealing with a sophisticated audience they get to pull around a 24 year old [lacrosse] clown named Ty. Maybe I am way off or just too tainted by the Crabs organization tie ins to him personally and IL in general. That club owner practically does the write ups and hands it to the likes of Ty or other and if they don't play ball they get whacked to borrow from the Baltimore lacrosse mafia term. This is how mediocre players from families in the gunga get hyped to NCAA coaches, many of whom are too lazy to do their own diligence and sign the short list of recommended kids. Why do you think Hop and UVa and some others have declined and are on a slow train toward sucking these recent years?


Wow, you really have to give up the anger that your kid is not ranked. You are boarderline crazy with your inaccurate over analysis!


Actually agree with above comments. Everyone knows there are significant conflicts and that he can claim he unbiased but he it's not the case. By the way who supporting hi website....oh I forgot he made fortune working for IL. He needs to disclose his relationships and funding sources. But it is concerning that this guy would have anyone's ear. Lacrosse will grow to the level that everyone thinks it should with amateurs in the media
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/03/14 12:40 PM

What is inaccurate about the analysis? The worst kept secret in maryland is Jiloty and Co at IL are indebted to the owner of the Crabs who is an MIAA school alum and former coach and whose club fills rosters or MIAA programs and local colleges like JHU later. Crabs have good teams and good players but why is BL always pre season #1 HS team? Why not Culver or Chaminade until they lose a game? BL would have taken Culver straight up last year? That would have been a great game but #1 ending was who was allocated #1 first by IL. My kid plays for a rival MD club and his friends are Crabs. Due respect to them, but here is the truth and deal with it...Ty Xanders is a Baltimore MIAA school kid who dropped out of college after a year and moved home. His family connections to Crabs owner got him a desk job at IL. Every summer IL gives Crabs kids summer intern jobs. Nothing wrong with that to help kids, but of you think there is no old line Baltimore bias in every single thing IL does you are uninformed.

Here is what I find fascinating...I don't think much of Tu Xanders but he had the stones to leave the nest and I doubt he grew those stones without an implant from someone deep pocketed elsewhere. Maybe a LI guy is backing this venture, but I can nearly assure you it ain't Baltimore money backing this new venture. And if Ty "grows the game" by covering and hyping TriState or Texas or Florida or Cali kids equally to the old line little preppy Bmore kids, then Houston we have a problem. I have no trouble accepting that there are paid for conflicts of interest or a bias in this recruiting stuff. Everything in life has some of it. I do think that whoever in LI or elsewhere who backed this started WW3 & it will pay very well. Events costing $700, tournaments costing $200-400, prospect days costing $200-300 a pop with hundreds or thousands of kids each and the costs are to paint field lines and pay for referees is a gold mine. Own a videography company to film and sell film to participants or highlight reels for hundreds each at the cost of cameras and a guy putting it on a computer. Then have a recruiting coverage and consulting company to hype out participants and get their names and tapes in front of coaches at a cost of Ty Xanders's time and expenses and you can basically run lacrosse parent debit cards all day long for years and years starting when kids are in middle school. Someone is really thinking outside the box to put Ty Xanders in this new role and stir the pot with it on the recruiting circuit and I think it is brilliant. Try getting IL to come cover your Trilogy or 3d or Team91 or LB3 or other event this fall and let me know how that goes later. I am sure they will be too busy to get back to you because they have the new IL events and Crabs tournaments to cover, thank you very much.

And stop it with the jealous hater crap, just my two cents and if you disagree ok then.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/03/14 12:41 PM

What is inaccurate about the analysis? The worst kept secret in maryland is Jiloty and Co at IL are indebted to the owner of the Crabs who is an MIAA school alum and former coach and whose club fills rosters or MIAA programs and local colleges like JHU later. Crabs have good teams and good players but why is BL always pre season #1 HS team? Why not Culver or Chaminade until they lose a game? BL would have taken Culver straight up last year? That would have been a great game but #1 ending was who was allocated #1 first by IL. My kid plays for a rival MD club and his friends are Crabs. Due respect to them, but here is the truth and deal with it...Ty Xanders is a Baltimore MIAA school kid who dropped out of college after a year and moved home. His family connections to Crabs owner got him a desk job at IL. Every summer IL gives Crabs kids summer intern jobs. Nothing wrong with that to help kids, but of you think there is no old line Baltimore bias in every single thing IL does you are uninformed.

Here is what I find fascinating...I don't think much of Tu Xanders but he had the stones to leave the nest and I doubt he grew those stones without an implant from someone deep pocketed elsewhere. Maybe a LI guy is backing this venture, but I can nearly assure you it ain't Baltimore money backing this new venture. And if Ty "grows the game" by covering and hyping TriState or Texas or Florida or Cali kids equally to the old line little preppy Bmore kids, then Houston we have a problem. I have no trouble accepting that there are paid for conflicts of interest or a bias in this recruiting stuff. Everything in life has some of it. I do think that whoever in LI or elsewhere who backed this started WW3 & it will pay very well. Events costing $700, tournaments costing $200-400, prospect days costing $200-300 a pop with hundreds or thousands of kids each and the costs are to paint field lines and pay for referees is a gold mine. Own a videography company to film and sell film to participants or highlight reels for hundreds each at the cost of cameras and a guy putting it on a computer. Then have a recruiting coverage and consulting company to hype out participants and get their names and tapes in front of coaches at a cost of Ty Xanders's time and expenses and you can basically run lacrosse parent debit cards all day long for years and years starting when kids are in middle school. Someone is really thinking outside the box to put Ty Xanders in this new role and stir the pot with it on the recruiting circuit and I think it is brilliant. Try getting IL to come cover your Trilogy or 3d or Team91 or LB3 or other event this fall and let me know how that goes later. I am sure they will be too busy to get back to you because they have the new IL events and Crabs tournaments to cover, thank you very much.

And stop it with the jealous hater crap, just my two cents and if you disagree ok then.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/03/14 02:03 PM

How come all the top LI Varsity players are ranked be TY? coincidence? I think not!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/03/14 04:08 PM

Because many of the top HS coaches have close connections to the top club teams which is where he gets his info from.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/03/14 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because many of the top HS coaches have close connections to the top club teams which is where he gets his info from.


Like which ones? Besides the Catholics, you are wrong! Ty actually attended a few LI games last season. I guess the game changers he noticed and ranked coincidently were the same ones noticed by Newsday and MSG Varsity. You sound ridiculous with you vendetta against Ty. Please stop
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/03/14 06:51 PM

Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/03/14 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because many of the top HS coaches have close connections to the top club teams which is where he gets his info from.


Like which ones? Besides the Catholics, you are wrong! Ty actually attended a few LI games last season. I guess the game changers he noticed and ranked coincidently were the same ones noticed by Newsday and MSG Varsity. You sound ridiculous with you vendetta against Ty. Please stop


Exactly, all the top lacrosse players are not from LI and MD.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/03/14 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because many of the top HS coaches have close connections to the top club teams which is where he gets his info from.


Like which ones? Besides the Catholics, you are wrong! Ty actually attended a few LI games last season. I guess the game changers he noticed and ranked coincidently were the same ones noticed by Newsday and MSG Varsity. You sound ridiculous with you vendetta against Ty. Please stop


You sound ridiculous also, very defensive of the Orioles biggest fan.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/03/14 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.


Great post, agree with you completely.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/03/14 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.


Who cares who's funding him. And you never answered my question. How is that reputable LI sources (MSG varsity,etc) come to the same conclusions about who ate the best players on LI? Stats dont lie! Stop being so mad your son wasn't ranked and tell him to work harder!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/03/14 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Because many of the top HS coaches have close connections to the top club teams which is where he gets his info from.


Like which ones? Besides the Catholics, you are wrong! Ty actually attended a few LI games last season. I guess the game changers he noticed and ranked coincidently were the same ones noticed by Newsday and MSG Varsity. You sound ridiculous with you vendetta against Ty. Please stop


Exactly, all the top lacrosse players are not from LI and MD.


Actually if you look, many kids outside if LI and MD are ranked. As lax spreads that will increase. Currently, LI and MD and PA are still hotbeds, which explains why those kids are ranked more often. Same thing happens in other sports like football where places like Texas are the hotbeds.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/03/14 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.


Who cares who's funding him. And you never answered my question. How is that reputable LI sources (MSG varsity,etc) come to the same conclusions about who ate the best players on LI? Stats dont lie! Stop being so mad your son wasn't ranked and tell him to work harder!


You tell the guy to tell his kid to work harder. I see that on here EVERY TIME someone mentions Ty Xanders. Work harder has very little to do with being ranked, you can believe your own lies. Mostly ALL the moms & dads on here are dedicated lacrosse people and have boys how are most likely VERY strong lax players, they ALL work hard.

Keep angling & pushing for your son finacially & politically. And most importantly, set the bar that where your son NEVER EXPERIENCES FAILURE. Entitlement is a tough way to go into real life, unless your LOADED.

You "work harder", at being a better parent. Not a ATM parent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/03/14 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.


Who cares who's funding him. And you never answered my question. How is that reputable LI sources (MSG varsity,etc) come to the same conclusions about who ate the best players on LI? Stats dont lie! Stop being so mad your son wasn't ranked and tell him to work harder!


You tell the guy to tell his kid to work harder. I see that on here EVERY TIME someone mentions Ty Xanders. Work harder has very little to do with being ranked, you can believe your own lies. Mostly ALL the moms & dads on here are dedicated lacrosse people and have boys how are most likely VERY strong lax players, they ALL work hard.

Keep angling & pushing for your son finacially & politically. And most importantly, set the bar that where your son NEVER EXPERIENCES FAILURE. Entitlement is a tough way to go into real life, unless your LOADED.

You "work harder", at being a better parent. Not a ATM parent.


You could not be more wrong about my son. We are not well off, my son fought his way through politics, b team bs, etc. He is far from entitled. Nobody worked harder than him to get where he is. We don't "KNOW" anyone, altouough many want to "Know" him now. And yes he is ranked and committed while many of his political connected friends are scratching their heads. He deserves it. It makes me angry when people come on here and try to minimize his accomplishments. Ty may do some favors and leave some out, including one of my son's very well connected friend. But most of the kids on his lists are great, humble, well deserving kids with extrodinary work ethics.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/06/14 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.


Who cares who's funding him. And you never answered my question. How is that reputable LI sources (MSG varsity,etc) come to the same conclusions about who ate the best players on LI? Stats dont lie! Stop being so mad your son wasn't ranked and tell him to work harder!


Ty Xanders makes a comment today as he posted his "analysis" of 2015 players. Its funny how he (and his sugar daddy's) trying to throw people of 2017's off his path of stench--

"This is a list that was done mostly on my own opinions and scouting, as opposed to the younger players’ lists that are done using input from a bevy of high Division I coaches"

LOL. Now we are to believe that a BEVY of HIGH D1 coaches helped you put together a list of 15 and 16 year old players? There is somebody thats "HIGH" and I can tell you its not the BEVY of D1 coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/06/14 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.


Who cares who's funding him. And you never answered my question. How is that reputable LI sources (MSG varsity,etc) come to the same conclusions about who ate the best players on LI? Stats dont lie! Stop being so mad your son wasn't ranked and tell him to work harder!


Ty Xanders makes a comment today as he posted his "analysis" of 2015 players. Its funny how he (and his sugar daddy's) trying to throw people of 2017's off his path of stench--

"This is a list that was done mostly on my own opinions and scouting, as opposed to the younger players’ lists that are done using input from a bevy of high Division I coaches"

LOL. Now we are to believe that a BEVY of HIGH D1 coaches helped you put together a list of 15 and 16 year old players? There is somebody thats "HIGH" and I can tell you its not the BEVY of D1 coaches.


Yet you continue to hang on his every word! Interesting!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/06/14 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.


Who cares who's funding him. And you never answered my question. How is that reputable LI sources (MSG varsity,etc) come to the same conclusions about who ate the best players on LI? Stats dont lie! Stop being so mad your son wasn't ranked and tell him to work harder!


Ty Xanders makes a comment today as he posted his "analysis" of 2015 players. Its funny how he (and his sugar daddy's) trying to throw people of 2017's off his path of stench--

"This is a list that was done mostly on my own opinions and scouting, as opposed to the younger players’ lists that are done using input from a bevy of high Division I coaches"

LOL. Now we are to believe that a BEVY of HIGH D1 coaches helped you put together a list of 15 and 16 year old players? There is somebody thats "HIGH" and I can tell you its not the BEVY of D1 coaches.


Yet you continue to hang on his every word! Interesting!


The world will hang on his word and "analysis" for a short time, then move on to something else. You think nobody is answering 3d's on-line want ads for paid recruiting event writers? You think IL won't find another 24 year old who can type on a QUERTY keyboard to cover their events? Ty Xanders is on his own, and on his own he is about as interesting as listening to my brother-in-law amble through a Thanksgiving dinner speech about global warming and the threatened species in the North Pole. If you have the endurance to replace me at the table, ping me your deets and I will get back to you. It takes the same endurance to make it through a paragraph written by Ty "me like pronouns and deli meats" Xanders.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/06/14 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.


Who cares who's funding him. And you never answered my question. How is that reputable LI sources (MSG varsity,etc) come to the same conclusions about who ate the best players on LI? Stats dont lie! Stop being so mad your son wasn't ranked and tell him to work harder!


Ty Xanders makes a comment today as he posted his "analysis" of 2015 players. Its funny how he (and his sugar daddy's) trying to throw people of 2017's off his path of stench--

"This is a list that was done mostly on my own opinions and scouting, as opposed to the younger players’ lists that are done using input from a bevy of high Division I coaches"

LOL. Now we are to believe that a BEVY of HIGH D1 coaches helped you put together a list of 15 and 16 year old players? There is somebody thats "HIGH" and I can tell you its not the BEVY of D1 coaches.


Yet you continue to hang on his every word! Interesting!


The world will hang on his word and "analysis" for a short time, then move on to something else. You think nobody is answering 3d's on-line want ads for paid recruiting event writers? You think IL won't find another 24 year old who can type on a QUERTY keyboard to cover their events? Ty Xanders is on his own, and on his own he is about as interesting as listening to my brother-in-law amble through a Thanksgiving dinner speech about global warming and the threatened species in the North Pole. If you have the endurance to replace me at the table, ping me your deets and I will get back to you. It takes the same endurance to make it through a paragraph written by Ty "me like pronouns and deli meats" Xanders.


BOTC Vote, This Nut is from:
A. LI
B. MD
C. Neither...wait that's not possible
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/06/14 06:28 PM

@Ty: Just nailed down plans to cover the @C2Clax Spotlight on October 18th & 19th down in Dallas. Looking forward to evaluating the South's best.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/06/14 06:31 PM

Just saw that 3d rising also has a list of Top 2017's . What is surprising about that list is only 3 of the 30 are from 3d teams considering they have a competitive team in several states. Yet they list several Long Island standouts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/06/14 06:32 PM

So who looked good at IL Invitational Carolina Showcase this past weekend?
Waiting to hear !!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/06/14 07:35 PM

Nut? More like comedic genius. I'm from Maryland and no way does anyone from this state have a sense of humor. Has to be LI. Ty, 1980s John Stamos called, he wants his haircut back.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/06/14 09:03 PM

He is from MD. He said he grew up on the street that Michael Phelps lived on- MD.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/07/14 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just saw that 3d rising also has a list of Top 2017's . What is surprising about that list is only 3 of the 30 are from 3d teams considering they have a competitive team in several states. Yet they list several Long Island standouts.


And you don't think Ty is in bed with Munroe? Get your head out of the sand!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/07/14 02:19 AM

You are all obsessed with Ty. Boarderline creepy! Maybe you will get lucky and he will mention your son
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/07/14 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just saw that 3d rising also has a list of Top 2017's . What is surprising about that list is only 3 of the 30 are from 3d teams considering they have a competitive team in several states. Yet they list several Long Island standouts.


And you don't think Ty is in bed with Munroe? Get your head out of the sand!


Xanders is definitely NOT in bed with Munroe. If that was the case their rankings would be more consistent.

One could also argue that they are in competition
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/07/14 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just saw that 3d rising also has a list of Top 2017's . What is surprising about that list is only 3 of the 30 are from 3d teams considering they have a competitive team in several states. Yet they list several Long Island standouts.


And you don't think Ty is in bed with Munroe? Get your head out of the sand!


Xanders is definitely NOT in bed with Munroe. If that was the case their rankings would be more consistent.

One could also argue that they are in competition


I disagree, Ty certainly wants to gain favor with Munro.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/07/14 01:24 PM

And you don't think Ty is in bed with Munroe? Get your head out of the sand![/quote]

Xanders is definitely NOT in bed with Munroe. If that was the case their rankings would be more consistent.

One could also argue that they are in competition [/quote]

I disagree, Ty certainly wants to gain favor with Munro. [/quote]

Ty Xanders is a sole proprietor now and would like to be compensated from any angle possible. 3d is a too big and too obvious one for him to ignore, and I am sure he is knocking on Munro's door. I would question whether Munro would want to invite in an "outsider". It seems everything 3d does is very corporate, deliberate and insular and exclusive to them. Look at what they did to Jake Reed...he is making a lot of dough but seems to be just the name behind a 3d franchise event now. The rest of the club and events lacrosse world operate like guys with a glorified rec program that turned into a money maker. 3d is a business that raised capital and runs like a corporation in the lacrosse industry. I just don't see 3d seeing Ty Xanders as anything but a nuisance and a bug they will squash under their shoe. After all 3d has hired Casey Vock from IL and a few others to do 3d Rising coverage and seem well staffed and moving fast without Xanders anyways. I salute Xanders for having the moxie to try something like this, but frankly I think the kid gets made and his credibility will vaporize quickly. I don't believe he had the maturity to realize that his status was because of an IL and a old money Baltimore franchise where he was a franchisee...kind of like the "big producer broker guy" at Goldman Sachs going off and doing his own thing at a 3rd tier firm and wondering why his clients are not paying him commissions after he leaves. The real question is what does Xanders offer that is distinguished from anyone else who sits in a lawn chair watching lacrosse for 6 hours and then writing one paragraph on 15 kids after that (especially considering the club coaches are filling in a lot of the players and the text on them for Xanders to publish) ??? Sorry, I don't see it sustaining for very long if at all.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/07/14 01:28 PM

What is this, 10+ pages talking about this kid? If that's the case then maybe Xander isn't as worthless as you make him sound. Get a life!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/07/14 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
And you don't think Ty is in bed with Munroe? Get your head out of the sand!


Xanders is definitely NOT in bed with Munroe. If that was the case their rankings would be more consistent.

One could also argue that they are in competition [/quote]

I disagree, Ty certainly wants to gain favor with Munro. [/quote]

Ty Xanders is a sole proprietor now and would like to be compensated from any angle possible. 3d is a too big and too obvious one for him to ignore, and I am sure he is knocking on Munro's door. I would question whether Munro would want to invite in an "outsider". It seems everything 3d does is very corporate, deliberate and insular and exclusive to them. Look at what they did to Jake Reed...he is making a lot of dough but seems to be just the name behind a 3d franchise event now. The rest of the club and events lacrosse world operate like guys with a glorified rec program that turned into a money maker. 3d is a business that raised capital and runs like a corporation in the lacrosse industry. I just don't see 3d seeing Ty Xanders as anything but a nuisance and a bug they will squash under their shoe. After all 3d has hired Casey Vock from IL and a few others to do 3d Rising coverage and seem well staffed and moving fast without Xanders anyways. I salute Xanders for having the moxie to try something like this, but frankly I think the kid gets made and his credibility will vaporize quickly. I don't believe he had the maturity to realize that his status was because of an IL and a old money Baltimore franchise where he was a franchisee...kind of like the "big producer broker guy" at Goldman Sachs going off and doing his own thing at a 3rd tier firm and wondering why his clients are not paying him commissions after he leaves. The real question is what does Xanders offer that is distinguished from anyone else who sits in a lawn chair watching lacrosse for 6 hours and then writing one paragraph on 15 kids after that (especially considering the club coaches are filling in a lot of the players and the text on them for Xanders to publish) ??? Sorry, I don't see it sustaining for very long if at all. [/quote]

You make very good points. definitely agree with you. 3d seems to be a well run professional organization. The parents who have kids involved with 3d rave about it and love it.

They have hired several college coaches. The ranking of the 2017's seem to be pretty detailed. They knew everything about the kids even got detailed quotes and information on the kids.

Of course they are running a business as is everyone else but they seem to be much more professional and legit . Many of us in Maryland think it is just a matter of time before Miunro has a strong presence here as well.

A 24 year old kid no matter how likable he is with no lacrosse background cannot compete with that no matter who is funding him
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/07/14 08:50 PM

You make very good points. definitely agree with you. 3d seems to be a well run professional organization. The parents who have kids involved with 3d rave about it and love it.

They have hired several college coaches. The ranking of the 2017's seem to be pretty detailed. They knew everything about the kids even got detailed quotes and information on the kids.

Of course they are running a business as is everyone else but they seem to be much more professional and legit . Many of us in Maryland think it is just a matter of time before Miunro has a strong presence here as well.

A 24 year old kid no matter how likable he is with no lacrosse background cannot compete with that no matter who is funding him
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/07/14 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are all obsessed with Ty. Boarderline creepy! Maybe you will get lucky and he will mention your son


Never was obsessed about anyone in my life. All I did was look at the website he tweeted about and posted his silly comment about 2017s in his 2015 story. Unfollowed him on twitter earlier, three other dads I know did same thing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/08/14 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are all obsessed with Ty. Boarderline creepy! Maybe you will get lucky and he will mention your son


Never was obsessed about anyone in my life. All I did was look at the website he tweeted about and posted his silly comment about 2017s in his 2015 story. Unfollowed him on twitter earlier, three other dads I know did same thing.

Sounds like you guys all got together on an e-mail chain and decided to unfollow him. I'm sure Ty must be so heartbroken!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/08/14 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are all obsessed with Ty. Boarderline creepy! Maybe you will get lucky and he will mention your son


Never was obsessed about anyone in my life. All I did was look at the website he tweeted about and posted his silly comment about 2017s in his 2015 story. Unfollowed him on twitter earlier, three other dads I know did same thing.

Sounds like you guys all got together on an e-mail chain and decided to unfollow him. I'm sure Ty must be so heartbroken!!!


Haha! Bet they the "unfollowers" are obsessively checking the recruitingrundown website every five minutes in hopes that their son is finally mentioned!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/08/14 02:48 AM

What is the [******] website?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/08/14 03:00 AM

Did someone say 3d was moving fast? The only post they've put up since June has been their rankings, and their new site won't be up until "early 2015". It still looks shady for an event + club business to try and get into rankings and all that jazz that IL once did.

Advantage: the 20-something who you all like to make things up about. Gotta give him credit for a pretty impressive site.


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/08/14 11:32 AM

Just wait you will see. 3d will be the source. Ty Xanders has too many conflicts and goes out of his way to support those who support him everyone knows that. He has had no competition until now. He is just the mouth piece of those who now pay him and take care of him only could happen in lacrosse. No one faults the kid he has to earn se money one way or another but don't think he has any clout long term
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/08/14 01:54 PM

I looked at recruitingrundown.com for the first time today & respectfully disagree. This is not a website but more so a blog which costs $2.99 a month to put up via GoDaddy. With a spare hour or two anyone can watch a YouTube video on formatting and links. He's put up most commonly known websites for this sport events and organizations wise, but what is noticeable would be the absence of ads or banner ad references after clicking the links listed. He's not being paid by this website, so what comes of it is being paid for what gets blogged onto the site. Simple stuff I would guess, events pay him to come cover events. I would say from the outside looking in that with roughly 7,600 Twitter followers after more than a year of being the eyes of the lacrosse recruiting scene, that is a pretty unexciting property to this marketing guy. But that may say more negative about lacrosse being too small a fish to make a business like this around rather than a negative onto Ty Xanders. His chances of making money would greatly improve if he did a technical blog about X-Games sports.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/08/14 05:47 PM

Why would college coaches want to plant their player evaluations into the social media via IL, 3d, Ty Xanders or anyone else? If I were a D1 coach I would sponge what I could from those websites and twitter accounts and contribute nothing back. If there is a diamond in the rough, or a kid from Canada who has it all except for a write up...why the heck would I want to feed the other NCAA programs I compete with my honest evaluations? Like we all learned from Don Corleone in the Godfather, you never talk about the family business outside of the family. The college coaches I had would never, ever have said or done anything to help a competitor. I privately wonder if the smart ones like Tierney nod and go along with the hype of a kid they don't want to divert attention away from the players they do want. Ever notice how Denver recruits build a ranking and reputation AFTER committing late to Denver?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/09/14 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would college coaches want to plant their player evaluations into the social media via IL, 3d, Ty Xanders or anyone else? If I were a D1 coach I would sponge what I could from those websites and twitter accounts and contribute nothing back. If there is a diamond in the rough, or a kid from Canada who has it all except for a write up...why the heck would I want to feed the other NCAA programs I compete with my honest evaluations? Like we all learned from Don Corleone in the Godfather, you never talk about the family business outside of the family. The college coaches I had would never, ever have said or done anything to help a competitor. I privately wonder if the smart ones like Tierney nod and go along with the hype of a kid they don't want to divert attention away from the players they do want. Ever notice how Denver recruits build a ranking and reputation AFTER committing late to Denver?


YEP! Tierney is no dummy, and he is smart enough to trust his instincts, not what someone else tells him.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/09/14 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would college coaches want to plant their player evaluations into the social media via IL, 3d, Ty Xanders or anyone else? If I were a D1 coach I would sponge what I could from those websites and twitter accounts and contribute nothing back. If there is a diamond in the rough, or a kid from Canada who has it all except for a write up...why the heck would I want to feed the other NCAA programs I compete with my honest evaluations? Like we all learned from Don Corleone in the Godfather, you never talk about the family business outside of the family. The college coaches I had would never, ever have said or done anything to help a competitor. I privately wonder if the smart ones like Tierney nod and go along with the hype of a kid they don't want to divert attention away from the players they do want. Ever notice how Denver recruits build a ranking and reputation AFTER committing late to Denver?


YEP! Tierney is no dummy, and he is smart enough to trust his instincts, not what someone else tells him.


Notre Dame too. In the final four they had one middie who was huge, fast and strong with a decent stick and he ABUSED an excellent Maryland defense in the semi game. That kid was from some whatever high school in wherever Detroit Michigan suburbs and therefore came out of nowhere for those reasons. ND found that kid because nobody else looked that way. I find it interesting that two programs that are not big early recruiters who also get a lot of off the run recruits filled up half the final four and championship game spots.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/09/14 01:58 PM

look at the 3d rising ranks & birthdays

12 of the 30 are kids that would be considered reclassified here in Long island. They have birth days before September.

I think it is worth stating that none of the LI kids in that list are older- so good for them.

I expect that is not the case for the IL list. Why the acceptance of the double standard?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/09/14 03:35 PM

Maybe only 12 kids from LI are legitimately in the top 30. And thatay be generous considering there are great players in non-hot beds who don't get the hype from IL or others. 12 is a big number of you consider how small LI is and if you consider lacrosse to be more than a regional sport.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/09/14 03:42 PM

Notre Dame and Duke are early recruiters. They were looking at kids and inviting campus visits last fall. They did not want to commit anyone until the end of freshman year grades are in but they knew who they wanted. That is still early recruiting no matter how you look at it. These kids all committed before they are sophomores!!! That is early by any definition.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/09/14 03:53 PM

3d rankings looks legit. Done by experts and former college coaches with no agenda. Can't say any conflicts 3d kids ( all 3 of them) deserving. Very transparent. Also realize that they only ranked one class so they really could evaluate the kids. Will be curious to see how 3d develops from this. Will they do other classes?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/09/14 05:36 PM

ND has seven commits, and maybe more that we don't know about. Duke seems to have the most misleading public front versus reality. They are very loud and arrogant to insist that they don't look at or evaluate 9th graders, and are above all of this, which is plainly not the case. One of Duke's recent 2017 commits announced in late summer had vrebally committed there last December. No issue with coaches who go super early, and no issues with ones who have a philosophy to wait and there are plenty of both. But why does Duke lie about it? That was my first question to the coaches when they were doing diligence on our kid last winter. It was not well received. At least Starsia and Petro are who they are, whether you like it or not with no apologies. I respect that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/09/14 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d rankings looks legit. Done by experts and former college coaches with no agenda. Can't say any conflicts 3d kids ( all 3 of them) deserving. Very transparent. Also realize that they only ranked one class so they really could evaluate the kids. Will be curious to see how 3d develops from this. Will they do other classes?


One class ranked because the guy doing it (RD) recruited this 2017 class. Do your research on where he coached and how many are from that school or where recruited by that school. No agendas? #BIGHOUSE
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/09/14 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe only 12 kids from LI are legitimately in the top 30. And thatay be generous considering there are great players in non-hot beds who don't get the hype from IL or others. 12 is a big number of you consider how small LI is and if you consider lacrosse to be more than a regional sport.


The "non hotbed" players that are GREAT athletes and players, what amount of quality players do they compete against on a daily basis?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/09/14 08:05 PM

I guess he also could've been a coach at Virginia (5) on the list or Duke also (5) on the list. Also had Casey Vock, and Matt Rowley listed as rankers. The guy works for 3d now if anything he would be pushing those kids. Only had 3 3d kids mentioned. All 30 kids seem to be headed to great places.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/09/14 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d rankings looks legit. Done by experts and former college coaches with no agenda. Can't say any conflicts 3d kids ( all 3 of them) deserving. Very transparent. Also realize that they only ranked one class so they really could evaluate the kids. Will be curious to see how 3d develops from this. Will they do other classes?


No, it's all about Colin looking good! And you think they are transparent, no conflict of interest? ha!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/09/14 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess he also could've been a coach at Virginia (5) on the list or Duke also (5) on the list. Also had Casey Vock, and Matt Rowley listed as rankers. The guy works for 3d now if anything he would be pushing those kids. Only had 3 3d kids mentioned. All 30 kids seem to be headed to great places.


True. And many kids not on any of these list whom happen to be going to great places also, so whats your point?

Look, it is impossible to rank players its never right. Its not a perfect science to say the least, Kids always get forgotten and the kids who get ranked, their parents defend it until their kid isn't ranked next year or DROPS lower. Happens in all sports.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/09/14 10:05 PM

You are ignorant. Munro's kid was ranked higher by Xanders than by the 3d guys. No one can argue the kid is definitely a top 10 player. Have you seem him play? He is great player really fun to watch.

If you're going to discuss transparency or the lack of you're going to have to do a lot better than that
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/09/14 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe only 12 kids from LI are legitimately in the top 30. And thatay be generous considering there are great players in non-hot beds who don't get the hype from IL or others. 12 is a big number of you consider how small LI is and if you consider lacrosse to be more than a regional sport.


12 kids? Do you realize the massive amount of D1 commits from LI? Do you realize there is a BUNCH more than 12 kids!! Just between 91 & Turtles there must be over 20 D1 commits, thats only two teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 01:03 AM

I've heard from a good source (kid plays for 3d NE) that 3d purposefully left their deserving kids off of the lists so that people would find them as credible. Then they go ahead and go to like 4 or 5 tournaments - that's it - and rank all the Michigan recruits. HA!

Still looks odd that a tournament and club business wants to blow up into rankings. Does that not rub anybody the wrong way??!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d rankings looks legit. Done by experts and former college coaches with no agenda. Can't say any conflicts 3d kids ( all 3 of them) deserving. Very transparent. Also realize that they only ranked one class so they really could evaluate the kids. Will be curious to see how 3d develops from this. Will they do other classes?


No, it's all about Colin looking good! And you think they are transparent, no conflict of interest? ha!


Seriously? Go after daddy all you want but it is over the line to pick on his kid. Hopefully no one blames your kid for your obnoxious behavior.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d rankings looks legit. Done by experts and former college coaches with no agenda. Can't say any conflicts 3d kids ( all 3 of them) deserving. Very transparent. Also realize that they only ranked one class so they really could evaluate the kids. Will be curious to see how 3d develops from this. Will they do other classes?


No, it's all about Colin looking good! And you think they are transparent, no conflict of interest? ha!


Seriously? Go after daddy all you want but it is over the line to pick on his kid. Hopefully no one blames your kid for your obnoxious behavior.


I don't think the poster is "picking on the kid". Its more of the annoying constant agenda by these big money dad coaches/club owners. Its been going on for ever in lacrosse & other youth/HS sports. And its well documented that his son is older. So he is compared to most kids that are younger than him. So I would think many people don't RESPECT that, therefore they aren't on the kid side from that perspective either. Cheating is cheating, you can spin it any way you want but its cheating.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I've heard from a good source (kid plays for 3d NE) that 3d purposefully left their deserving kids off of the lists so that people would find them as credible. Then they go ahead and go to like 4 or 5 tournaments - that's it - and rank all the Michigan recruits. HA!

Still looks odd that a tournament and club business wants to blow up into rankings. Does that not rub anybody the wrong way??!



I don't really have any gripe with any of the rankings But I find these comments a bit ridiculous. As another guy mentioned Virginia had 5 and Duke had 5. How is mentioning 4 players biased when it is less then Duke and Virginia and they are all great players. Some schools seem to be very successful recruiting great players early. All the kids mentioned from LI are very deserving. This certainly doesn't mention all of any schools recruits. That's rediculous. You could more easily say he mentioned more of Duke's or Virginia's recruits.

Also 3d has teams in at least 10 states including Canada. 3d has its own D1, D2 and D3 recruiting Tournament. 3d has multiple clinics and camps throughout the country. 3d won the u-15. They are certainly qualified to rank kids. They seem to be at every single event at all age groups. They seem to have the resources and expertise to assess the talent. If they were truly biased they would rank more 3d kids but as the other poster mentioned they did'nt. Whether you think it was intentional that they left 3d kids off not to show bias is crazy. You must then believe in Tooth Fairies and Leprechauns.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 01:54 PM

It's not "cheating" to leave your kid back a year. If you have seen him play you would know that he would have been a top recruit no matter what year he was in. Lets just be honest. Munro doesn't need any ranking to promote his son. Everyone will tell you he is a top 5 or 10 player no matter what year.

We have to get over people who decide to reclassify their kids. Those are personal decisions that I am sure are not easy for several reasons. You all need to just feel better about your kids' successes when they did not reclassify
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d rankings looks legit. Done by experts and former college coaches with no agenda. Can't say any conflicts 3d kids ( all 3 of them) deserving. Very transparent. Also realize that they only ranked one class so they really could evaluate the kids. Will be curious to see how 3d develops from this. Will they do other classes?


No, it's all about Colin looking good! And you think they are transparent, no conflict of interest? ha!


Seriously? Go after daddy all you want but it is over the line to pick on his kid. Hopefully no one blames your kid for your obnoxious behavior.


I don't think the poster is "picking on the kid". Its more of the annoying constant agenda by these big money dad coaches/club owners. Its been going on for ever in lacrosse & other youth/HS sports. And its well documented that his son is older. So he is compared to most kids that are younger than him. So I would think many people don't RESPECT that, therefore they aren't on the kid side from that perspective either. Cheating is cheating, you can spin it any way you want but its cheating.



Agreed!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not "cheating" to leave your kid back a year. If you have seen him play you would know that he would have been a top recruit no matter what year he was in. Lets just be honest. Munro doesn't need any ranking to promote his son. Everyone will tell you he is a top 5 or 10 player no matter what year.

We have to get over people who decide to reclassify their kids. Those are personal decisions that I am sure are not easy for several reasons. You all need to just feel better about your kids' successes when they did not reclassify


He wouldn't be top 10 if He were in the 2016 where he belongs. Many players far superior. He is simply a cheating holdback who looks good due to smoke and mirrors lax mentality.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not "cheating" to leave your kid back a year. If you have seen him play you would know that he would have been a top recruit no matter what year he was in. Lets just be honest. Munro doesn't need any ranking to promote his son. Everyone will tell you he is a top 5 or 10 player no matter what year.

We have to get over people who decide to reclassify their kids. Those are personal decisions that I am sure are not easy for several reasons. You all need to just feel better about your kids' successes when they did not reclassify


He wouldn't be top 10 if He were in the 2016 where he belongs. Many players far superior. He is simply a cheating holdback who looks good due to smoke and mirrors lax mentality.


I'm sure he cares. Laughing all the way to UNC
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 02:28 PM

You have not seen him play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 02:37 PM

There are several kids on both ranking lists that might not be ranked if they hadn't reclassified. That's not going to change. Stop whining about it. It makes you feel better for the kids that didn't reclassify.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not "cheating" to leave your kid back a year. If you have seen him play you would know that he would have been a top recruit no matter what year he was in. Lets just be honest. Munro doesn't need any ranking to promote his son. Everyone will tell you he is a top 5 or 10 player no matter what year.

We have to get over people who decide to reclassify their kids. Those are personal decisions that I am sure are not easy for several reasons. You all need to just feel better about your kids' successes when they did not reclassify


STOP. My son is a big, fast, 2018 offensive player. Can and has stood out against fellow 2018 and 2017's. Can compete with 2016's and 2015's. Put him against 2019's at this moment, and he would look like the next Paul Rabil. (AND HE'S NOT) However, given his physical maturity, size and speed, not many if any real 2019's could stay with him. Hence, against weaker competition, playing down, he would look like a superstar or top 10 kid. I just can't understand why people don't get this??? I further can't imagine why D1 coaches buy the talent level of kids playing against younger, Physically immature, slower, smaller competition? It just doesn't make any sense athletically. I would think just the opposite, if a kid played up and was successful, he would kill it on age in college? I guess time will tell.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not "cheating" to leave your kid back a year. If you have seen him play you would know that he would have been a top recruit no matter what year he was in. Lets just be honest. Munro doesn't need any ranking to promote his son. Everyone will tell you he is a top 5 or 10 player no matter what year.

We have to get over people who decide to reclassify their kids. Those are personal decisions that I am sure are not easy for several reasons. You all need to just feel better about your kids' successes when they did not reclassify


He wouldn't be top 10 if He were in the 2016 where he belongs. Many players far superior. He is simply a cheating holdback who looks good due to smoke and mirrors lax mentality.


I'm sure he cares. Laughing all the way to UNC


I'd be embarrassed if I held my kid back and the best he could do was UNC. Now that's funny!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 04:08 PM

Whatever your feelings are about reclassified kids it should not take away the accomplishment of the other kids that are ranked in 3d or IL.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whatever your feelings are about reclassified kids it should not take away the accomplishment of the other kids that are ranked in 3d or IL.


If you Reclassed, it unfortunately does minimize the accomplishments of that player. He is labeled as a cheater who was too scared to play against kids his own age. Kind of like a bully
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 05:14 PM

But it should not lessen the achievement of other kids who are ranked and did not reclassify.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 05:23 PM

Only 1 or 2 out of the 28-30 2017 D1 commits out LI are reclassified kids. Pretty impressive that it is such a low number.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not "cheating" to leave your kid back a year. If you have seen him play you would know that he would have been a top recruit no matter what year he was in. Lets just be honest. Munro doesn't need any ranking to promote his son. Everyone will tell you he is a top 5 or 10 player no matter what year.

We have to get over people who decide to reclassify their kids. Those are personal decisions that I am sure are not easy for several reasons. You all need to just feel better about your kids' successes when they did not reclassify


He wouldn't be top 10 if He were in the 2016 where he belongs. Many players far superior. He is simply a cheating holdback who looks good due to smoke and mirrors lax mentality.


Exactly, he wouldn't be a top 10 player in 2016. I will say he is a good player, inside finisher with lots of box skill. Very good IQ, but he makes mistakes like every other committed or uncommitted player that is a teenager. He is a prime example of the help of holding back which is why his dad preaches it openly to groups of parents.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/10/14 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Only 1 or 2 out of the 28-30 2017 D1 commits out LI are reclassified kids. Pretty impressive that it is such a low number.


I totally agree. Great job by all these LI boys working hard and being challenged since they are young, What ncaa schools are the held players going to?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 02:26 AM

Is True Blue the only club not participating in the fall season?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.



Don't service academies have their own prep schools? I would be very leery of sending a kid to one of the service academies if they were not very close to admission standards, the academics are very rigorous.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 12:20 PM

Were the sophomores who asked to leave Chaminade lacrosse players?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.


Don't service academies have their own prep schools? I would be very leery of sending a kid to one of the service academies if they were not very close to admission standards, the academics are very rigorous.


Annapolis and West Point do have captive PG year prep schools and it is specific for kids who would need a year of academic development to enter the academies. Not sure about Air Force. The service academies are special and unique opportunities and are truly the only 100% free education out there if there is a lacrosse pull. But to go to one of these places primarily to be an athlete would be a mistake. The kids who go there are all in committed to the service academy and sports is just an activity.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 12:31 PM

Jamie Munro tweets:Congrats Colin for getting your drivers license today. How bout congrats for cheating to make yourself look better. Disgusting!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Jamie Munro tweets:Congrats Colin for getting your drivers license today. How bout congrats for cheating to make yourself look better. Disgusting!


If your on twitter, just tweet that back...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 02:20 PM

But isn't it just too fun to remain anonymous???
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Jamie Munro tweets:Congrats Colin for getting your drivers license today. How bout congrats for cheating to make yourself look better. Disgusting!
the question is why are you following him ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 02:54 PM

At some level celebrate the holdbacks. I am a Maryland parent and I am proud that he is a 2017 who turned 15 just a few months ago. As these kids keep going, the physical advantage of holding back goes down and kids like my son will be experienced against older kids from club and high school play. What we will be seeing on the NCAA field when our 2017s are in college is kids who are not MENTALLY TOUGH will disappear on the benches and the kids who have grit will get their reward. I say let the sissies repeat as much as they want. It catches up in the end.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 03:06 PM

Any thoughts on the Fall Prospect days? Which have been productive, money-grabs, etc.? Brown, Yale, Bucknell, Colgate, Cornell, Richmond, Penn, others ??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Jamie Munro tweets:Congrats Colin for getting your drivers license today. How bout congrats for cheating to make yourself look better. Disgusting!
the question is why are you following him ?


For entertainment, same reason I read botc. Any other questions?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 04:57 PM

Get over the reclass thing people.
Coaches want 19,20,21 and 22 year olds on thier rosters that are bigger, stronger and more developed. Not going to get a lot out of a 17 coming on campus in the fall.

Anybody know who won the Heisman last year?
A 19 year old Jamies Winston who reclassed!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 06:32 PM

didn't Rob Pannell reclass
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 06:35 PM

The difference is that Winston got a full ride and will go on to make millions playing football. Can't say the same thing for any of the kids playing lax...

Re classing is really about the stupid parents feeling the need to brag about their spoiled, left back, silver spoon mouthed, weak lax player that can't compete on his own level and needs daddy to pay $40 for a year at Gilman...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Get over the reclass thing people.
Coaches want 19,20,21 and 22 year olds on thier rosters that are bigger, stronger and more developed. Not going to get a lot out of a 17 coming on campus in the fall.

Anybody know who won the Heisman last year?
A 19 year old Jamies Winston who reclassed!!


Coaches want the best and toughest players. Winston was a 19 year old Fla State redshirt like everyone else. He didn't go sissy and repeat 9th grade. Being one year older doesn't help you in D1, at least not in my experience. You are tough and can play or you are not and you can't. It will be "interesting" to see how well these repeat kids cope when their support system from dads and club guys can't "fix" their boo boos anymore.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 07:02 PM

2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.


These the 2 that just got expelled from Chaminade for posting a video on social media?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 07:41 PM

"Being one year older doesn't help you in D1"

Wake up!
Jamies Winston wasnt winning no Heisman at 18.
Rob Pannell didn't win the Tewaarton as a 19,20 or 21 year old.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Being one year older doesn't help you in D1"

Wake up!
Jamies Winston wasnt winning no Heisman at 18.
Rob Pannell didn't win the Tewaarton as a 19,20 or 21 year old.


Those examples are lame. Winston won the Heisman as a 19 year old redshirt freshman. Rob Pannell did a PG year, and did make All America as a 19 and 20 year old and almost won the Tewaarton the year Steele Stanwick did when he was 20. You just cited two guys one of whom was a redshirt freshman and the other did a PG year to be able to go Ivy. That is hardly pointing out how awesome it is to be a year older. The best college hoops players are 19 year old one and dones. The best college lacrosse players we have seen in last 15 years were all impact players as freshmen. Some were PG year kids but few or any were repeat middle school softies. The bottom line is if you think a kid who is an undersized HS freshman who is also 16 is what winds up being an early recruit for age reasons will be a better player in college, you are very mistaken. You'll wake up when you see these holdback kids on the bottom of rosters spring 2018-21. Being a sissy catches up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 10:19 PM

Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 10:26 PM

B
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Being one year older doesn't help you in D1"

Wake up!
Jamies Winston wasnt winning no Heisman at 18.
Rob Pannell didn't win the Tewaarton as a 19,20 or 21 year old.


Those examples are lame. Winston won the Heisman as a 19 year old redshirt freshman. Rob Pannell did a PG year, and did make All America as a 19 and 20 year old and almost won the Tewaarton the year Steele Stanwick did when he was 20. You just cited two guys one of whom was a redshirt freshman and the other did a PG year to be able to go Ivy. That is hardly pointing out how awesome it is to be a year older. The best college hoops players are 19 year old one and dones. The best college lacrosse players we have seen in last 15 years were all impact players as freshmen. Some were PG year kids but few or any were repeat middle school softies. The bottom line is if you think a kid who is an undersized HS freshman who is also 16 is what winds up being an early recruit for age reasons will be a better player in college, you are very mistaken. You'll wake up when you see these holdback kids on the bottom of rosters spring 2018-21. Being a sissy catches up.




Get the facts straight. Pannell in addition to a pg yr he also redid his at yr. like I say - surely being 2 to 3 yrs older didn't hurt him!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/16/14 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.


Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.


Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.


Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends


What happened?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 02:05 AM

And look at the jobs/careers that Steele Stanwyk and Rob Pannell have embarked on since graduating!!! Oh that's right - they became "professional" lacrosse players and train kids in peoples backyards. There's so something to strive for as a kid in high school!!! Great use of an outstanding education!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.


Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends


If they were "good kids" this wouldn't have happened. And one of them has zero remorse about it. Many are cringing what school they end up in, accountability & humility are pretty important character traits to have, maybe one day they will find it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.


Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends


I wonder if the people they were socially attacking & the younger kids they mistreated (and their families) in their school feel like they are all good kids?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.


Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends


What happened?


They are moving to Maryland, transferring to Boys Latin,
reclassing and joining the Crabs. Very sad story
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.


Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends


I wonder if the people they were socially attacking & the younger kids they mistreated (and their families) in their school feel like they are all good kids?



So what happened? Socially attacking ? Mistreating younger kids?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.


Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends


What happened?


They are moving to Maryland, transferring to Boys Latin,
reclassing and joining the Crabs. Very sad story


you are not funny.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.


Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends


What happened?


They are moving to Maryland, transferring to Boys Latin,
reclassing and joining the Crabs. Very sad story


you are not funny.


That was very funny, and not far from reality. That guy is funny
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 01:46 PM

I just hope Colleges or lacrosse as a sport doesn't start letting players get away with stupid stuff just because they are good like they do in other sports on all levels. I know it happens but it needs to stop. It seems Lacrosse players get a bad rap to begin with. You do something wrong you pay the price no matter how talented you are on the field. With all the bullying, social media crap kids needs to learn and do the right thing but schools and colleges are sending the wrong message when players are allowed to do something wrong and end up get rewarded for it.

Just look at Harvard 2 players dismissed from school for 1 year for cheating and now both are captains of the team. What message are they sending. Harvard should be embarrassed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.


Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends


I wonder if the people they were socially attacking & the younger kids they mistreated (and their families) in their school feel like they are all good kids?



So what happened? Socially attacking ? Mistreating younger kids?


Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just hope Colleges or lacrosse as a sport doesn't start letting players get away with stupid stuff just because they are good like they do in other sports on all levels. I know it happens but it needs to stop. It seems Lacrosse players get a bad rap to begin with. You do something wrong you pay the price no matter how talented you are on the field. With all the bullying, social media crap kids needs to learn and do the right thing but schools and colleges are sending the wrong message when players are allowed to do something wrong and end up get rewarded for it.

Just look at Harvard 2 players dismissed from school for 1 year for cheating and now both are captains of the team. What message are they sending. Harvard should be embarrassed.


Great point.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.


Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends


I wonder if the people they were socially attacking & the younger kids they mistreated (and their families) in their school feel like they are all good kids?



So what happened? Socially attacking ? Mistreating younger kids?


Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.


Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 03:23 PM



Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most. [/quote]

Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade. [/quote]\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 03:36 PM

I am from Maryland and no dog in the Chaminade fight, but I do think it is best to permit the kids to withdraw from school. Boarding schools do that as well and for a reason. The reason is kids make mistakes, and should as minors be able to correct them or do better elsewhere. A call for draconian and public markings on kids is piling on too much I think. This incident and punishment is a life lesson and a call for these kids to do better with their second chance. There is not a reason to mark these kids in a permanently negative light over something like this from which they cannot recover. That could happen in this social media crazy world now, and I think it is unfair onto 15, 16 year old kids. I did plenty of dumb things back in the day and our generation never faced these public and repeated consequences of alike offenses. Just my two cents, and mark it to market at $0.02.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.


Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade. [/quote]\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

Why do you assume my son doesn't go to the school? Assumming is bad. Disappointed in the process, I think as parents we should pay more attention to what goes on in the school our kids go to. Private or public. So open your eyes.


[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.


Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade. [/quote]\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

[/quote]
Another example of how the students and parents money make the school. The school doesn't make the students. They don't take anyone, but sound students and well behaved kids. As soon as there's a problem academically or behaviorally they throw the kids out. It's not like the school is molding young men and teaching them to over come issues. They eliminate the issues. Then throw a lot of work at really smart kids that would have been in AP classes in PS. Somehow they take credit for kids that would have been just a successful anyway. Now if they were taking academically troubled kids and turning them into scholars or misbehaved kids a turning them into model students you might have something, but they don't do either.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 03:54 PM

It s called a plea bargain. I am sure these boys will be well versed in this procedure as they move on in life. Good riddance, we will be reading about you in the crime section of the Post someday.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.


Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.
\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

Why do you assume my son doesn't go to the school? Assumming is bad. Disappointed in the process, I think as parents we should pay more attention to what goes on in the school our kids go to. Private or public. So open your eyes.


[/quote] [/quote]

My apologies for making a wrong assumption - would love to open my eyes but we are all passing judgment here on kids who did something that most of us know nothing about. You seem to have inside info my fellow Flyer, care to share it with the rest of us so we can determine for ourselves whether Chaminade handled this correctly? Hard to pass judgment on the sentence without knowing the crime. All I understand is that it was a video posted on social media - but no clue what the content of the video was. You must to be so critical of the way the administration handled it. Thanks in advance for letting us all in.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am from Maryland and no dog in the Chaminade fight, but I do think it is best to permit the kids to withdraw from school. Boarding schools do that as well and for a reason. The reason is kids make mistakes, and should as minors be able to correct them or do better elsewhere. A call for draconian and public markings on kids is piling on too much I think. This incident and punishment is a life lesson and a call for these kids to do better with their second chance. There is not a reason to mark these kids in a permanently negative light over something like this from which they cannot recover. That could happen in this social media crazy world now, and I think it is unfair onto 15, 16 year old kids. I did plenty of dumb things back in the day and our generation never faced these public and repeated consequences of alike offenses. Just my two cents, and mark it to market at $0.02.


You may not have a dog in the fight but your two cents sure makes good sense. I would not have gotten where I have if social media and selfies, etc were around back in the day to record the dumb stuff I did.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!


he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.


Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.
\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

Why do you assume my son doesn't go to the school? Assumming is bad. Disappointed in the process, I think as parents we should pay more attention to what goes on in the school our kids go to. Private or public. So open your eyes.


[/quote]

My apologies for making a wrong assumption - would love to open my eyes but we are all passing judgment here on kids who did something that most of us know nothing about. You seem to have inside info my fellow Flyer, care to share it with the rest of us so we can determine for ourselves whether Chaminade handled this correctly? Hard to pass judgment on the sentence without knowing the crime. All I understand is that it was a video posted on social media - but no clue what the content of the video was. You must to be so critical of the way the administration handled it. Thanks in advance for letting us all in. [/quote]


Have a good day.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.


Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade. [/quote]\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

[/quote]

Not to worry. St Anthony's will gladly take them if they are good athletes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.


Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.
\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

Why do you assume my son doesn't go to the school? Assumming is bad. Disappointed in the process, I think as parents we should pay more attention to what goes on in the school our kids go to. Private or public. So open your eyes.




My apologies for making a wrong assumption - would love to open my eyes but we are all passing judgment here on kids who did something that most of us know nothing about. You seem to have inside info my fellow Flyer, care to share it with the rest of us so we can determine for ourselves whether Chaminade handled this correctly? Hard to pass judgment on the sentence without knowing the crime. All I understand is that it was a video posted on social media - but no clue what the content of the video was. You must to be so critical of the way the administration handled it. Thanks in advance for letting us all in. [/quote]


Have a good day. [/quote]

That's your answer? Really? Sure makes your criticism of Chaminade's handling of this credible.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 09:19 PM

It was a video "interviewing" kids they felt were uncool or not smart. They then posted it on the internet.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.


Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.
\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

[/quote]

Not to worry. St Anthony's will gladly take them if they are good athletes. [/quote]

One is already on the way!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am from Maryland and no dog in the Chaminade fight, but I do think it is best to permit the kids to withdraw from school. Boarding schools do that as well and for a reason. The reason is kids make mistakes, and should as minors be able to correct them or do better elsewhere. A call for draconian and public markings on kids is piling on too much I think. This incident and punishment is a life lesson and a call for these kids to do better with their second chance. There is not a reason to mark these kids in a permanently negative light over something like this from which they cannot recover. That could happen in this social media crazy world now, and I think it is unfair onto 15, 16 year old kids. I did plenty of dumb things back in the day and our generation never faced these public and repeated consequences of alike offenses. Just my two cents, and mark it to market at $0.02.


Thank you for such a rational and classy response. The fire breathing that goes on here is amazing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.


Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.
\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

[/quote]
Another example of how the students and parents money make the school. The school doesn't make the students. They don't take anyone, but sound students and well behaved kids. As soon as there's a problem academically or behaviorally they throw the kids out. It's not like the school is molding young men and teaching them to over come issues. They eliminate the issues. Then throw a lot of work at really smart kids that would have been in AP classes in PS. Somehow they take credit for kids that would have been just a successful anyway. Now if they were taking academically troubled kids and turning them into scholars or misbehaved kids a turning them into model students you might have something, but they don't do either. [/quote]

You are frighteningly clueless.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/17/14 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.


Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends


I wonder if the people they were socially attacking & the younger kids they mistreated (and their families) in their school feel like they are all good kids?



So what happened? Socially attacking ? Mistreating younger kids?


Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.


Same at Kellenberg. Same Brothers, same code of conduct. Lax players were expelled last year for ethics violations, in fact.

Lack of personal accountability in the public system is what draws many people to a Catholic / Private school. Some like to rail on here that not all Catholic school kids are perfect. The funny thing is, no one at a Catholic school would disagree. However, the tolerance leash is tight and if the line is crossed, then there's a consequence. There should be more of that in today's society.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/18/14 09:08 PM

college prospect camps are generally not ''money grabs" IF "spots" are still available...

Brechi's 3 hour group clinic at $175 define's money grab
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/18/14 09:21 PM

the boys were caught posting a "prank" video without thinking of the consequences of their action... simple.
hopefully they, and all the boys, can learn to think before acting...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/18/14 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.


Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.
\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?


Another example of how the students and parents money make the school. The school doesn't make the students. They don't take anyone, but sound students and well behaved kids. As soon as there's a problem academically or behaviorally they throw the kids out. It's not like the school is molding young men and teaching them to over come issues. They eliminate the issues. Then throw a lot of work at really smart kids that would have been in AP classes in PS. Somehow they take credit for kids that would have been just a successful anyway. Now if they were taking academically troubled kids and turning them into scholars or misbehaved kids a turning them into model students you might have something, but they don't do either. [/quote]

You are frighteningly clueless. [/quote]

So they let academically challenged kids and those with behavioral problems in now? Sorry who's clueless? Look in the mirror.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/20/14 04:11 PM

Maryland parent again here. Why the repeated vitriol? What if there was an anonymous "lacrosse parent stories" thread on BOTC where people came on anonymously and trashed certain club families? There'd be a lot of material and we all know that from having lived the sidelines show.

Two 15-16 year old LI kids at one LI private school had a behaviour problem and a consequence for it. No crime, drugs or tragedy involved. Have some restraint and some class, and remember you too have a teenage son. They're expected to supposed to make some life mistakes now and learn from them. Else be the forty-something making mistakes and that is a lot more consequential. Let 15-16 year olds be to an extent to make a mistake like this and learn to remedy it going ahead. We don't need to celebrate that one way or defend it next. It makes imperfect people better, and we are all imperfect people (especially lacrosse parents).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/20/14 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maryland parent again here. Why the repeated vitriol? What if there was an anonymous "lacrosse parent stories" thread on BOTC where people came on anonymously and trashed certain club families? There'd be a lot of material and we all know that from having lived the sidelines show.

Two 15-16 year old LI kids at one LI private school had a behaviour problem and a consequence for it. No crime, drugs or tragedy involved. Have some restraint and some class, and remember you too have a teenage son. They're expected to supposed to make some life mistakes now and learn from them. Else be the forty-something making mistakes and that is a lot more consequential. Let 15-16 year olds be to an extent to make a mistake like this and learn to remedy it going ahead. We don't need to celebrate that one way or defend it next. It makes imperfect people better, and we are all imperfect people (especially lacrosse parents).


Maryland parent, you need to stop posting on this site - you make way too much sense to be here. There but by the grace of God go I comes to mind here. I am that 40-something adult who made all kinds of stupid mistakes when I was a teenager and am just thankful I did not come of age with social media there to document those mistakes. From what I understand of the facts here, these students are paying a very high price for their mistake that was not all that eggregious.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/21/14 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.


Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.
\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?


Another example of how the students and parents money make the school. The school doesn't make the students. They don't take anyone, but sound students and well behaved kids. As soon as there's a problem academically or behaviorally they throw the kids out. It's not like the school is molding young men and teaching them to over come issues. They eliminate the issues. Then throw a lot of work at really smart kids that would have been in AP classes in PS. Somehow they take credit for kids that would have been just a successful anyway. Now if they were taking academically troubled kids and turning them into scholars or misbehaved kids a turning them into model students you might have something, but they don't do either.


You are frighteningly clueless. [/quote]

So they let academically challenged kids and those with behavioral problems in now? Sorry who's clueless? Look in the mirror. [/quote]

Public schools can't just throw kids out, it's legally very difficult, or next to impossible to do so. Read a public school's by-laws and charter. Chaminade let the kids leave school, they didn't throw them out (although they probably would've). It's like letting someone quit their job instead of being fired so it doesn't reflect poorly on their track record. This type of stuff happens all the time at all school districts. Let's stop acting like Chaminade is some superior school that produces superior students, it's a basic Catholic school, filled with 2,000 boys, they're going to make mistakes, they're going to have kids that get mediocre grades, and go to mediocre colleges. It's not the 2,000 finest boys from Long Island.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/21/14 04:04 PM

No school is filled with all valedcitorians and angels. Nobody is saying Chaminade = perfection or that kids there don't maky mistakes. They make plenty of them. I think the point is many parents feel the environment is conducive to their kids hopefully making fewer mistakes. That said, it is a superior school. There is no denying that from a rational standpoint. It is just not for everyone, and that is cool. If it is not for you and your son maybe just take the high road and refrain from bashing parents and kids who make different choices. When you start arguing that it is a mediocre school you just sound uninformed and bitter.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/21/14 04:55 PM

Let's change the topic and maybe stir a new pot. I am a Maryland parent of a committed 2017 with an older and a younger sibling. I have come to a few conclusions about MD lacrosse and the 2017 class.

1. I think lacrosse is declining in MD at the club level. The strong prep programs can develop players, but now clubs don't after U-13.
2. I think the 2014s were the last "great " MD HS class. MD and DMV areas are very good for 2015, but not great. It falls down and apart after that.
3. I think MD wise and nationally the 2017s are a weak class despite the novelty of this class's early recruiting notoriety.

The Crabs 2014s were possibly the greatest club team of all time. The 2015s Crabs are awesome and have company at or near the top (Dukes, Leading Edge, WCS, etc.). These 2015 teams are GREAT TEAMS with at least very good players at every position. There are no great 2016 teams and there is one great 2017 team (LI Turtles). The other first tier 2017 teams are very good, but none are great and only the Turtles deserves any comparative to the great 2014 and 2015 club teams.

Great players...I saw many 2014s and 2015s in MD / DMV where you walk away thinking wow...that is a can't miss future college star. I have not seen a single 2016 fit that bill and have seen only one 2017 kid in MD / DMV I would make that statement about.

The 2017 rankings and class notes emphasize how deep this class is on talent and especially at poles and goalies. The poles in this class are less than average and there is not a single goalie in this class who does not need to improve A LOT to see the field and do much anything in D1. This is a class where poles who can't stop a sneeze and goalies who are either horrible against high heat or are midgets get ranked because they committed, and that is a joke. This is a TERRIBLE goalie class. This class is top heavy with a few good FOGOs from LI, and I have seen three attackmen who get my eye as exceptional including the one kid I mentioned above. There are no elite middies in this class, but there are a ton of very good ones. Pick seven out of the 300 or so good ones and you will blend into the decent D1 recruiting classes at that position.

That is pretty harsh but I also think the causality is not that there is an ebb and flow of talents by year, and that the 2014s-15s were the outliers and the 2016s-17s are the down years. I think it is permanent at least here in the MD DMV. Clubs stop instructing and start prepping only game play or showcasing too early, and the players don't develop. With some exceptions, mostly the strong prep program kids, the committed 2016s and 2017s are the same players they were at U-15. And that won't cut it at a high level. I'd love to see more instructional / developmental emphasis in our local programs my oldest son had all the way through HS. That does not exist here anymore. This is where non-hotbed kids will step up. A kid in Florida can't afford to stop grinding away at fundamentals or can his program because harder to get noticed and can't take for granted like we do.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/21/14 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
No school is filled with all valedcitorians and angels. Nobody is saying Chaminade = perfection or that kids there don't maky mistakes. They make plenty of them. I think the point is many parents feel the environment is conducive to their kids hopefully making fewer mistakes. That said, it is a superior school. There is no denying that from a rational standpoint. It is just not for everyone, and that is cool. If it is not for you and your son maybe just take the high road and refrain from bashing parents and kids who make different choices. When you start arguing that it is a mediocre school you just sound uninformed and bitter.


Not a superior school when compared to the best public schools by any means: 1) easy to get into Chaminade, 2) all boys so unrealistic environment to grow as a normal teenage boy, 3) students dont' get better grades, test scores, or gain admission to better colleges, 4) only people that feel the way you do are fellow parents that have kids at Chaminade - so you have what's called a superiority complex.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/21/14 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
No school is filled with all valedcitorians and angels. Nobody is saying Chaminade = perfection or that kids there don't maky mistakes. They make plenty of them. I think the point is many parents feel the environment is conducive to their kids hopefully making fewer mistakes. That said, it is a superior school. There is no denying that from a rational standpoint. It is just not for everyone, and that is cool. If it is not for you and your son maybe just take the high road and refrain from bashing parents and kids who make different choices. When you start arguing that it is a mediocre school you just sound uninformed and bitter.


su·pe·ri·or·i·ty com·plex - noun
"an attitude of superiority that conceals actual feelings of inferiority and failure."

don't want to paint the entire institution with the same brush but sounds like this fits the above poster quite well
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/21/14 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No school is filled with all valedcitorians and angels. Nobody is saying Chaminade = perfection or that kids there don't maky mistakes. They make plenty of them. I think the point is many parents feel the environment is conducive to their kids hopefully making fewer mistakes. That said, it is a superior school. There is no denying that from a rational standpoint. It is just not for everyone, and that is cool. If it is not for you and your son maybe just take the high road and refrain from bashing parents and kids who make different choices. When you start arguing that it is a mediocre school you just sound uninformed and bitter.


Not a superior school when compared to the best public schools by any means: 1) easy to get into Chaminade, 2) all boys so unrealistic environment to grow as a normal teenage boy, 3) students dont' get better grades, test scores, or gain admission to better colleges, 4) only people that feel the way you do are fellow parents that have kids at Chaminade - so you have what's called a superiority complex.


You are wrong about everything.....good luck to your son
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/21/14 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No school is filled with all valedcitorians and angels. Nobody is saying Chaminade = perfection or that kids there don't maky mistakes. They make plenty of them. I think the point is many parents feel the environment is conducive to their kids hopefully making fewer mistakes. That said, it is a superior school. There is no denying that from a rational standpoint. It is just not for everyone, and that is cool. If it is not for you and your son maybe just take the high road and refrain from bashing parents and kids who make different choices. When you start arguing that it is a mediocre school you just sound uninformed and bitter.


Not a superior school when compared to the best public schools by any means: 1) easy to get into Chaminade, 2) all boys so unrealistic environment to grow as a normal teenage boy, 3) students dont' get better grades, test scores, or gain admission to better colleges, 4) only people that feel the way you do are fellow parents that have kids at Chaminade - so you have what's called a superiority complex.


You are wrong about everything.....good luck to your son


When you say Chaminade is a superior school, what are you basing that on? I've never ever seen anything that backs up that assertion.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/21/14 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's change the topic and maybe stir a new pot. I am a Maryland parent of a committed 2017 with an older and a younger sibling. I have come to a few conclusions about MD lacrosse and the 2017 class.

1. I think lacrosse is declining in MD at the club level. The strong prep programs can develop players, but now clubs don't after U-13.
2. I think the 2014s were the last "great " MD HS class. MD and DMV areas are very good for 2015, but not great. It falls down and apart after that.
3. I think MD wise and nationally the 2017s are a weak class despite the novelty of this class's early recruiting notoriety.

The Crabs 2014s were possibly the greatest club team of all time. The 2015s Crabs are awesome and have company at or near the top (Dukes, Leading Edge, WCS, etc.). These 2015 teams are GREAT TEAMS with at least very good players at every position. There are no great 2016 teams and there is one great 2017 team (LI Turtles). The other first tier 2017 teams are very good, but none are great and only the Turtles deserves any comparative to the great 2014 and 2015 club teams.

Great players...I saw many 2014s and 2015s in MD / DMV where you walk away thinking wow...that is a can't miss future college star. I have not seen a single 2016 fit that bill and have seen only one 2017 kid in MD / DMV I would make that statement about.

The 2017 rankings and class notes emphasize how deep this class is on talent and especially at poles and goalies. The poles in this class are less than average and there is not a single goalie in this class who does not need to improve A LOT to see the field and do much anything in D1. This is a class where poles who can't stop a sneeze and goalies who are either horrible against high heat or are midgets get ranked because they committed, and that is a joke. This is a TERRIBLE goalie class. This class is top heavy with a few good FOGOs from LI, and I have seen three attackmen who get my eye as exceptional including the one kid I mentioned above. There are no elite middies in this class, but there are a ton of very good ones. Pick seven out of the 300 or so good ones and you will blend into the decent D1 recruiting classes at that position.

That is pretty harsh but I also think the causality is not that there is an ebb and flow of talents by year, and that the 2014s-15s were the outliers and the 2016s-17s are the down years. I think it is permanent at least here in the MD DMV. Clubs stop instructing and start prepping only game play or showcasing too early, and the players don't develop. With some exceptions, mostly the strong prep program kids, the committed 2016s and 2017s are the same players they were at U-15. And that won't cut it at a high level. I'd love to see more instructional / developmental emphasis in our local programs my oldest son had all the way through HS. That does not exist here anymore. This is where non-hotbed kids will step up. A kid in Florida can't afford to stop grinding away at fundamentals or can his program because harder to get noticed and can't take for granted like we do.


I think there are a few exceptional middies who deserve to be ranked high. But there are a lot of points here that are valid. There is no new Ben Rubeor or Paul Rabil or Mike Evans in this 2017 class. The players in the 2017 class are the most fundamentally unsound players as a class in a generation. Lots of great athletes and some programs do develop lacrosse IQ, but not many of them. How many prospect days and recruiting tournaments have you been to where all day long middies kept it on their stick for 20 seconds at the top of the box and eventually shot it from outside 10 yards from the alley? Goalies running out to mid court to clear the ball? Stupid. Poles clearing the ball and then it is all over and they need to take a 15 yard bounce shot. X attackmen who stop and go half a dozen times and give no look to skip the ball? Mikey Powell was the best X attack player I ever saw and I never saw him stop and go more than 3 times before spinning the ball or going to the cage. 2017s are a mess. Maybe it won't be a trend past this class.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/21/14 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No school is filled with all valedcitorians and angels. Nobody is saying Chaminade = perfection or that kids there don't maky mistakes. They make plenty of them. I think the point is many parents feel the environment is conducive to their kids hopefully making fewer mistakes. That said, it is a superior school. There is no denying that from a rational standpoint. It is just not for everyone, and that is cool. If it is not for you and your son maybe just take the high road and refrain from bashing parents and kids who make different choices. When you start arguing that it is a mediocre school you just sound uninformed and bitter.


Not a superior school when compared to the best public schools by any means: 1) easy to get into Chaminade, 2) all boys so unrealistic environment to grow as a normal teenage boy, 3) students dont' get better grades, test scores, or gain admission to better colleges, 4) only people that feel the way you do are fellow parents that have kids at Chaminade - so you have what's called a superiority complex.


You are wrong about everything.....good luck to your son


When you say Chaminade is a superior school, what are you basing that on? I've never ever seen anything that backs up that assertion.



Acceptance rate last few years has been around 25%.
SAT scores for graduating seniors math and reading generlly average around 1250 each year
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/21/14 08:13 PM

Just give it a rest dude...for whatever reason, you hate Chaminade. You have made that clear. Maybe best to just change the topic.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/21/14 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No school is filled with all valedcitorians and angels. Nobody is saying Chaminade = perfection or that kids there don't maky mistakes. They make plenty of them. I think the point is many parents feel the environment is conducive to their kids hopefully making fewer mistakes. That said, it is a superior school. There is no denying that from a rational standpoint. It is just not for everyone, and that is cool. If it is not for you and your son maybe just take the high road and refrain from bashing parents and kids who make different choices. When you start arguing that it is a mediocre school you just sound uninformed and bitter.


Not a superior school when compared to the best public schools by any means: 1) easy to get into Chaminade, 2) all boys so unrealistic environment to grow as a normal teenage boy, 3) students dont' get better grades, test scores, or gain admission to better colleges, 4) only people that feel the way you do are fellow parents that have kids at Chaminade - so you have what's called a superiority complex.


try looking inferiority complex or Napoleon complex then go look in a mirror.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/21/14 08:46 PM

oh gosh, please.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/21/14 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!


he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!


he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!


he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!


he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.


You're nothing but a good ole fashioned bully!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/21/14 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!


he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!


he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!


he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!


he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.


You're nothing but a good ole fashioned bully!


Why is the poster a bully. It's the holdbacks that are bullies. They lack morals and character. Sad excuse for a human being. An example of what's wrong with society. Selfish, disrespectful behavior.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 03:18 AM

I think that you think too much. Your opinions are worthless

Think about that for a while.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's change the topic and maybe stir a new pot. I am a Maryland parent of a committed 2017 with an older and a younger sibling. I have come to a few conclusions about MD lacrosse and the 2017 class.

1. I think lacrosse is declining in MD at the club level. The strong prep programs can develop players, but now clubs don't after U-13.
2. I think the 2014s were the last "great " MD HS class. MD and DMV areas are very good for 2015, but not great. It falls down and apart after that.
3. I think MD wise and nationally the 2017s are a weak class despite the novelty of this class's early recruiting notoriety.

The Crabs 2014s were possibly the greatest club team of all time. The 2015s Crabs are awesome and have company at or near the top (Dukes, Leading Edge, WCS, etc.). These 2015 teams are GREAT TEAMS with at least very good players at every position. There are no great 2016 teams and there is one great 2017 team (LI Turtles). The other first tier 2017 teams are very good, but none are great and only the Turtles deserves any comparative to the great 2014 and 2015 club teams.

Great players...I saw many 2014s and 2015s in MD / DMV where you walk away thinking wow...that is a can't miss future college star. I have not seen a single 2016 fit that bill and have seen only one 2017 kid in MD / DMV I would make that statement about.

The 2017 rankings and class notes emphasize how deep this class is on talent and especially at poles and goalies. The poles in this class are less than average and there is not a single goalie in this class who does not need to improve A LOT to see the field and do much anything in D1. This is a class where poles who can't stop a sneeze and goalies who are either horrible against high heat or are midgets get ranked because they committed, and that is a joke. This is a TERRIBLE goalie class. This class is top heavy with a few good FOGOs from LI, and I have seen three attackmen who get my eye as exceptional including the one kid I mentioned above. There are no elite middies in this class, but there are a ton of very good ones. Pick seven out of the 300 or so good ones and you will blend into the decent D1 recruiting classes at that position.

That is pretty harsh but I also think the causality is not that there is an ebb and flow of talents by year, and that the 2014s-15s were the outliers and the 2016s-17s are the down years. I think it is permanent at least here in the MD DMV. Clubs stop instructing and start prepping only game play or showcasing too early, and the players don't develop. With some exceptions, mostly the strong prep program kids, the committed 2016s and 2017s are the same players they were at U-15. And that won't cut it at a high level. I'd love to see more instructional / developmental emphasis in our local programs my oldest son had all the way through HS. That does not exist here anymore. This is where non-hotbed kids will step up. A kid in Florida can't afford to stop grinding away at fundamentals or can his program because harder to get noticed and can't take for granted like we do.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 10:44 AM

Only flattering opinions of LI based 2017 players is of value. Ty Xanders is after all trying to build a business where that is the business plan.

The level of play of 2017s is far below 2014s and 2015s when they were sophs. Sorry, Dad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 11:44 AM

Who are you that you feel qualified to rate 2017 against 2014 or 2015? Are you an espn analyst? How many games have you seen?

WHere does your son play and how old is he?

Please fill us in on how you deem yourself qualified to rate and entire 2017 group of kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who are you that you feel qualified to rate 2017 against 2014 or 2015? Are you an espn analyst? How many games have you seen?

WHere does your son play and how old is he?

Please fill us in on how you deem yourself qualified to rate and entire 2017 group of kids.


I am like most BOTC posters, a parent who has spent seemingly every weekend for as long as I can remember sitting in a [lacrosse]'s sporting goods $39 lawn chair watching lacrosse. I have a HS 2014 class son at a D1 program and a D1 committed 2017 son, and a third son still at the middle school youth level. Both of my older sons played for a first tier club and at a top HS program. I am providing my opinion only, but after seeing a mind numbing volume of lacrosse those were my observations. Obviously A LOT of 2017 dads are going to disagree and call me an idiot. I have noticed a very distinct degradation of the quality and caliber of Maryland lacrosse in the past 2-3 years at the high school class by class progression.

Locally and nationally I think the 2014s were better than the 2015s and I believe the 2016s and 2017s as a class are materially weaker than the 2014s or 2015s. Just what I think and of course the parents of precious 2017 commits will attack. Answer me this though: do you think Ward Mellville's current team with some 2016s and 2017s is better than the 2013 team that was stacked with 2014s and 2015s? Do you think the 2016s and 2017s at St. Ants and Chaminade are the dominant classes at those schools in the past 5 years? Save for the single fantastic LI club team I named -- 2017 Turtles -- do you really think that there are elite LI Express or Team 91 teams that can come down to B'more and hang in the winner's bracket or win a Crabs tournament in the 2016 or 2017 classes? LI Express and Team 91 teams in those two school years come to MD to get piped by what I consider decent but not great MD club teams for those two classes. Team 91 can't beat regional 3d teams at that stupid fl$ in 3d thing either.

Maybe the decline in LI club play is not as distinct in LI as it is here in MD, but I see it on the field in the 2017 class every June, July and November. The performance of the non-2017 Turtle teams don't lie.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 03:15 PM

I am like most BOTC posters, a parent who has spent seemingly every weekend for as long as I can remember sitting in a [lacrosse]'s sporting goods $39 lawn chair watching lacrosse. I have a HS 2014 class son at a D1 program and a D1 committed 2017 son, and a third son still at the middle school youth level. Both of my older sons played for a first tier club and at a top HS program. I am providing my opinion only, but after seeing a mind numbing volume of lacrosse those were my observations. Obviously A LOT of 2017 dads are going to disagree and call me an idiot. I have noticed a very distinct degradation of the quality and caliber of Maryland lacrosse in the past 2-3 years at the high school class by class progression.

Locally and nationally I think the 2014s were better than the 2015s and I believe the 2016s and 2017s as a class are materially weaker than the 2014s or 2015s. Just what I think and of course the parents of precious 2017 commits will attack. Answer me this though: do you think Ward Mellville's current team with some 2016s and 2017s is better than the 2013 team that was stacked with 2014s and 2015s? Do you think the 2016s and 2017s at St. Ants and Chaminade are the dominant classes at those schools in the past 5 years? Save for the single fantastic LI club team I named -- 2017 Turtles -- do you really think that there are elite LI Express or Team 91 teams that can come down to B'more and hang in the winner's bracket or win a Crabs tournament in the 2016 or 2017 classes? LI Express and Team 91 teams in those two school years come to MD to get piped by what I consider decent but not great MD club teams for those two classes. Team 91 can't beat regional 3d teams at that stupid fl$ in 3d thing either.

Maybe the decline in LI club play is not as distinct in LI as it is here in MD, but I see it on the field in the 2017 class every June, July and November. The performance of the non-2017 Turtle teams don't lie.[/quote]

I do not disagree with the thought process. I will only say that 4 years ago on LI there was only really one main club - Express - while the others were just starting out. Now there are way too many clubs on LI - over 35 boys team (look to the right of this screen). The talent is so spread out that good kids are playing on crappy teams. If they cut that number down to 10 teams you would see a dramatic difference in team talent. If you made 3 allstar teams from LI I think you would see some pretty incredible talent. Express 2017 is a completely different team then it was 2 years ago - 4 kids went to Turtles, 2 kids are prep schools kids and are away, the committed kids don't always show up. 91 was never as good but has real good talent, Outlaws good talent, fl$ good talent. Now if you took those 4 teams and made 2, they would be able to compete with anyone (this doesn't even include Team LI, Sting, True Blue, Tomahawks, Pride, etc. who might be weaker but I'm sure that their best 3 players could play for anyone). The whole LI Lax scene is terrible. Every team is watered down. It is only going to get worse for LI as it seems a new organization is popping up each week...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 03:19 PM

As a parent/BOTC reader, there is nothing wrong when a poster brings up topics for discussion which includes facts the poster is presenting based on personal experience.

After reading to back and forth drivel about players, coaches, clubs etc. it is good to read an observation made which makes sense. No one is asking readers to agree with it or approve of it.

Poster was in no way rude, condescending, disparaging or finger pointing to anyone in particular. He never claimed to be a lax analyst or a Ty.

Take his post as: Food for thought.

If you disagree: pls post away. I for one would like to read what your assessment of the situation is and include your credentials.

Countless hours on the field watching games, going to showcases, meeting with college coaches and having sons playing at D1 schools are great credentials for a BOTC poster.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 03:41 PM

Every team is watered down. It is only going to get worse for LI as it seems a new organization is popping up each week... [/quote]

That is pretty telling. Certainly the best 40-50 kids per grade in LI are going to be talented players, but if they are spliced out too much that level of play does not show up where it matters: on the practice field. I saw my oldest son get better in practice with his strong 2014 MD club team every single season. I never thought on the surface that so many clubs in MD like in LI, and of course the not so welcomed bloated rosters = dumbing the game and level of play down. Not to sound elitist, but if you don't have the opportunity to get reps against strong players you will never become one or remain one. That is a real problem now for kids in the 2016s, 17s and onwards classes.

There was some early planning and talk here in MD about going off and having a few well heeled parents write a nice check to a high level coach to pull together a no-nonsense 18 man 2017 team with only the very best MD players...a team that could give the Turtles a tilt of a game. But then it got predictably disturbed by everyone's home club agendas and politics. Some parents, myself included, feared retribution against younger siblings in those same club programs for having a committed kid bolt. The easy way out is to tell the club your kid is going to play for his school in the fall and in summer, which we did. That goes over badly but reduces the likelihood of reprisals by the vicious club owners. But that recipe is a bad one too. Does everyone in MD need to go to a $30K-40K a year prep school with a strong lacrosse program to keep developing and be able to practice with other strong players? That is not a great recipe for those who can't afford it and is a tortured decision for the families that leap into those money pits. One fine mess.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 03:46 PM

I think the "too many teams" issue is certainly not unique to Long Island. It exist in Westchester/Fairfield as well and probably in the other "Hot Beds" as well. I am not sure how to control the problem other than you need to be an educated consumer. I happen to agree with the post the focus now seems to be on "winning" tournaments as opposed to developing players. If you are from LI and go to a tournament in Baltimore, you probably spend 12 hours driving to play probably 3 productive hours of lacrosse. Don't you think the kids would be better off having 2 productive 2 hour practices a day with another LOCAL team and then scrimmaging?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 04:38 PM

I do not disagree with the thought process. I will only say that 4 years ago on LI there was only really one main club - Express - while the others were just starting out. Now there are way too many clubs on LI - over 35 boys teams (look to the right of this screen). The talent is so spread out that good kids are playing on crappy teams. If they cut that number down to 10 teams you would see a dramatic difference in team talent. If you made 3 all-star teams from LI I think you would see some pretty incredible talent. For example, Express 2017 is a completely different team then it was 2 years ago - 4 kids went to Turtles, 2 kids are prep schools kids and are away, the committed kids don't always show up. 91 was never as good but has real good talent (and lower grades probably the best now), Outlaws good talent, fl$ good talent. Now if you took those 4 teams and made 2, they would be able to compete with anyone (this doesn't even include Team LI, Sting, True Blue, Tomahawks, Pride, etc. who might be weaker but I'm sure that their best 2 players could play for anyone). The whole LI Lax scene is terrible. Every team is watered down. It is only going to get worse for LI as it seems a new organization is popping up each week...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the "too many teams" issue is certainly not unique to Long Island. It exist in Westchester/Fairfield as well and probably in the other "Hot Beds" as well. I am not sure how to control the problem other than you need to be an educated consumer. I happen to agree with the post the focus now seems to be on "winning" tournaments as opposed to developing players. If you are from LI and go to a tournament in Baltimore, you probably spend 12 hours driving to play probably 3 productive hours of lacrosse. Don't you think the kids would be better off having 2 productive 2 hour practices a day with another LOCAL team and then scrimmaging?


It also comes down to the needs to get noticed, hence the drive to MD to play our club and others. If course the kids would be better players having a higher density of training and local scrimmaging. Dom, Petro and all say "doin' my job to find the best players at these tournaments, and have to keep doin' it earlier and earlier to keep my program up at the top" so we all do this thing. I privately wonder when it is going to occur to the D1 coaches that they are watching a lower and lower caliber of play each season with this class and the ones after it. Programs like UVa and JHU will do well so long as they grab the best RELATIVE SCALE players in the 2017 class. My point is that kids after that 2014 and 2015 HS class year era just seem to be on a regressive scale. The landscape in lacrosse keeps changing fast as many IL Preps and other gurus like to note. When will the landscape move to adjust back to truly ELITE club play again? I miss seeing the quality and feel bad that my 2017 and his younger brother won't experience it. It just isn't enough to play a couple of 2 day smash and grabs like Showtime or JR to get high level play back into the blood of these boys.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 05:25 PM

I think it will stop when "early committing" stops. Early recruiting will continue - but if kids commit early - say 14-15 year olds, and the other coaches stop recruiting them, this won't change. If coached keep recruiting kids to they sign a Letter of Intent or receive likely letters, early decision admits, then both the student athlete will need to maintain level of play and keep improving and the coaches will keep recruiting. Clubs can't advertise they have five 14 year olds committed to D1 colleges until fall of their senior year of high school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 05:34 PM

The club teams are catering to a younger crowd as well. 2nd through 6th grade kids do not need to go to tournaments every weekend in the summer. They need to develop skills. But if you are not on ELITE CLUB TEAM by the time you're 9 kiss your lacrosse career goodbye.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 06:06 PM

I lay the blame at the feet of the clubs. Bottom line is the clubs subsist off commit lists on their web pages. If all verbals were non public until summer before senior year or when NLIs are signed, you'd see much fewer early verbals. It is not the scarcity of spots. Some Patriot and other conference schools are just getting going on 2017s now. It is the public validation for the clubs and parents/kids more than the coaches pushing an envelope. When Starsia says he loathes early recruiting I believe him. I also believe him when he next says he cannot be a spectator watching his ACC and Big 10 rivals fill their classes before him.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 06:34 PM

If you are that good as a ninth grader - what is the rush to commit?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the "too many teams" issue is certainly not unique to Long Island. It exist in Westchester/Fairfield as well and probably in the other "Hot Beds" as well. I am not sure how to control the problem other than you need to be an educated consumer. I happen to agree with the post the focus now seems to be on "winning" tournaments as opposed to developing players. If you are from LI and go to a tournament in Baltimore, you probably spend 12 hours driving to play probably 3 productive hours of lacrosse. Don't you think the kids would be better off having 2 productive 2 hour practices a day with another LOCAL team and then scrimmaging?


It also comes down to the needs to get noticed, hence the drive to MD to play our club and others. If course the kids would be better players having a higher density of training and local scrimmaging. Dom, Petro and all say "doin' my job to find the best players at these tournaments, and have to keep doin' it earlier and earlier to keep my program up at the top" so we all do this thing. I privately wonder when it is going to occur to the D1 coaches that they are watching a lower and lower caliber of play each season with this class and the ones after it. Programs like UVa and JHU will do well so long as they grab the best RELATIVE SCALE players in the 2017 class. My point is that kids after that 2014 and 2015 HS class year era just seem to be on a regressive scale. The landscape in lacrosse keeps changing fast as many IL Preps and other gurus like to note. When will the landscape move to adjust back to truly ELITE club play again? I miss seeing the quality and feel bad that my 2017 and his younger brother won't experience it. It just isn't enough to play a couple of 2 day smash and grabs like Showtime or JR to get high level play back into the blood of these boys.


There are a couple of problems with your theories. Here's the first one, the talent in my opinion is growing in leaps and bounds all over the country. My older son was a 2014. When he started playing travel lax in 7th grade there were 3 or 4 travel teams on LI. All the best players played on those teams. Their second and third team would beat many of todays "A" teams. Not because of lack of talent or skill training, but because of the watering down of the teams. There are 20+ clubs on LI that claim to have an A team. There is much more talent today just too many teams. Kids who are really good players won't play on the second attack line at club ABC they will go to club XYZ and be the starter.
Lastly, I don't know about MD, but there are more options today to get intense skill training than there ever was back when my 2014 was playing, and no, it was not happening at the youth level leagues. So I disagree with you, more talent today just dispersed like never before.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 07:48 PM

I think you all have it wrong. THe growth of the game is a good thing and will eventually make the game and the players better.

Think of football and baseball and basketball. Did the players get worse as the game grew? I think not. As more people pay the game gets more competitive.

One or two people see a game that isn't as skilled as they remember it being two years ago? I think time to recognize that your good old days are not coming back and the growth of the game will continue south and west as football parents search for safer alternatives. Over time it means that the best athletes, whether or not they are from hot beds, will continue to get recruited at the highest levels.

If and when it becomes a money sport at college level (10, 20 years?) D-1 schools will be offering full rides and then best athletes have choices.

Early recruiting is not too blame, it is a natural progression. At some point (assuming the NCAA doesn't change--and I think that is 50-50 at best) early recruiting becomes meaningless as kids commit and de-commit in greater numbers.

What kid wouldn't de-commit from say MD to go to Duke or Ivy? It will happen as the search for the best athletes continues...MD is a great school, so no disrespect

Growth and change are necessary and we are not going back to the good old days with one club or two clubs on LI and one or two in MD.

So, I completely disagree with the premise that because there are more clubs, the skill level will decline. Perhaps there is an adjustment period, but as more kids play, the skill level will grow as the better athletes pick up sticks.

It is a game that requires all the same physical attributes of all sports. Speed, strength, hand/eye and size...

Those physical attributes are the reason for the rising practice of re-classing.

I would counter argue that in fact clubs that used to be great, just aren't as great as they once appeared because everyone else is getting better, not that MD is getting worse, but Philly teams, Texas teams and CA teams and colorado teams are now getting more athletes and more competitive...

What would you take as your starting middie? A 6 ft 3 freak athlete that has played for 1 year, or a 5-10 lesser athlete playing for 10 years.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you are that good as a ninth grader - what is the rush to commit?


You don't get it for some reason. Scholarship dollars are severely limited for Lax. A fully funded program has just 12.5 scholarships among 40-50 players.

Then you have patriot league that someone mentioned above. At those schools even less scholarship $ and no merit/academic $. Schools in this league-Lafayette, Holy Cross, Colgate...average $60k per year.

So that 9th grade early commit, why? Because they are giving him more scholarship $. It is really simple, commit early and get more dough. If you are great and you want to wait, good luck, maybe there will be a few dollars left, but if your family needs the money and will not get need based $ (most people reading this will not get need based financial $) you take the money and run.

This is not magic, it is all about how much you can or will pay, or how much you will let your kid borrow for school.

For those that can afford to pay the $60k per year, I completely agree, don't bother committing unless that lax offer comes with a coaches handshake that he can get you into his IVY because his team's AI is high...

It boggles my mind that everyone hasn't figured out the game....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 09:57 PM

So you think an early commit brings more money? An early commit is a verbal commit. The player still has to carry a decent GPA and do well on their SAT/ ACT's.

Early commit doesn't bring more money to potential player.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 10:05 PM

If athletic money is involved, it is not until the recruit signs his letter of intent in fall of senior year that it becomes a done deal. A lot can happen from fall freshman year to fall senior year. Coaches change, programs are added, kids don't develop as expected, existing college players are offered the scholarship $$$ earmarked for the recruit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 10:40 PM

The comments were mainly aimed at the degradation of the level of play in Maryland, and, more broadly that the 2016s and 2017s are lesser caliber classes than the two classes ahead of them. I stand by that. I do also believe the game blowing up in non-hot beds will have a mind blowing impact going ahead...agree completely. In places like Texas, Florida, Georgia we are getting the 6'3 freak athletes coming in and taking spots from the MD and LI lacrosse blue blood kids. I concur and like it, but I am not about to heap praise on the players from those areas being technically strong players yet and I fear some of the same "let's tune out on practice reps and focus on that video and showcase move for exposure" crap that seems to take over 100% of the focus for clubs and for 7th and 8th graders locally here in MD. Greatness is in the boring and the monotony. Steele Stanwick played wall ball by himself in a garage 2 hours a day every day. You think these kids are doing that? I sneer more that a little to hear of "there's more specialized training" now. Yes, there is and yes it has a place as a SUPPLEMENT in a player's development like a prior poster noted. But really, middie dodge clinics? Gee, isn't that the type of repeat reps and instruction you would expect your sons to be getting in PRACTICE with their CLUBS rather than in a $85 an hour private lesson or clinic? Face off lessons, goalie lessons, etc. Helpful, yes, but a cop out to rely on.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/22/14 10:53 PM

Wrong-If a better player comes along after your frosh superstar does his verbal commit they will change the amount that was originally offered your superstar........ I know....you have some iron clad agreement with the coach.......again....wrong. Until that NLI is signed things can change and do change.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 01:03 AM

Absolutely true… know of a former HS AA who had his $ and spot given away by the school he committed early to. Luckily he was a good student and ended up at a better lax and academic school where he led team in goal scoring for multiple years while also going pro. If his money wasn't safe idk whose is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Absolutely true… know of a former HS AA who had his $ and spot given away by the school he committed early to. Luckily he was a good student and ended up at a better lax and academic school where he led team in goal scoring for multiple years while also going pro. If his money wasn't safe idk whose is.


Please stop already. Every situation, every coach, every school is ALL different. If your son keeps his end of the early agreement, they school will...fact.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 02:13 AM

Serious question. Why can't D3 schools be on the same "verbal" timetable as D1 schools? It seems like players don't verbally commit to D3s until Senior year. Why not junior year or sophomore year. The fact that there is no athletic scholarship money should not impact the ability for D3 coaches and recruits to have a verbal agreement. Thoughts?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question. Why can't D3 schools be on the same "verbal" timetable as D1 schools? It seems like players don't verbally commit to D3s until Senior year. Why not junior year or sophomore year. The fact that there is no athletic scholarship money should not impact the ability for D3 coaches and recruits to have a verbal agreement. Thoughts?


Most kids aren't going to agree to a D3 until D1 options are off the table.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So you think an early commit brings more money? An early commit is a verbal commit. The player still has to carry a decent GPA and do well on their SAT/ ACT's.

Early commit doesn't bring more money to potential player.


Of course it does, what don't you see? Have you been through this? I have, early = better cash. Yes, you still need to get grades and SAT, but at least in my house, that is not an issue.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 12:23 PM

People, play the odds. How many kids had a coach screw them after a verbal? One guys knows one, another person said it happens all the time.

I have been around for years and never have seen this happen. If fact, coaches that have changed have honored previous player verbals.

I have seen where a kid screwed up legally, and one where SAT didn't get where needed to be, but other than that they are honored for year one. After that it is prove yourself.

ANyone who says different and believes it is simply wrong. The earlier the commit, the larger the $ is absolutely true.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question. Why can't D3 schools be on the same "verbal" timetable as D1 schools? It seems like players don't verbally commit to D3s until Senior year. Why not junior year or sophomore year. The fact that there is no athletic scholarship money should not impact the ability for D3 coaches and recruits to have a verbal agreement. Thoughts?


Most kids aren't going to agree to a D3 until D1 options are off the table.


Excellent educational opportunities in D3. Tremendous amount of academic and merit money available to good players with decent grades. Think 30-40% percent off a $55-60k bill. As long as he maintains minimal academic levels that money stays in place for ALL FOUR years! Even if he decides to give up lacrosse!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
People, play the odds. How many kids had a coach screw them after a verbal? One guys knows one, another person said it happens all the time.

I have been around for years and never have seen this happen. If fact, coaches that have changed have honored previous player verbals.

I have seen where a kid screwed up legally, and one where SAT didn't get where needed to be, but other than that they are honored for year one. After that it is prove yourself.

ANyone who says different and believes it is simply wrong. The earlier the commit, the larger the $ is absolutely true.


Holy Cross- 19 kids cut with coaching change. Many freshmen cut.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 01:09 PM

The NESCAC's are on a very close timeline with regard to recruiting as D1's
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 01:32 PM

If there is a coaching change the new coach will not keep all of the former coaches verbals or even scholarship players. That's a fact and it's fair.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 01:32 PM

Holy Cross not a good example of coaches not honoring recruiting. They had 61 kids on the roster and cut 16. Cuts had to be made there. Avg D1 team size is 45. Morrissey was irresponsible with roster spots and recruiting. Probably why not there anymore.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question. Why can't D3 schools be on the same "verbal" timetable as D1 schools? It seems like players don't verbally commit to D3s until Senior year. Why not junior year or sophomore year. The fact that there is no athletic scholarship money should not impact the ability for D3 coaches and recruits to have a verbal agreement. Thoughts?


Most kids aren't going to agree to a D3 until D1 options are off the table.


Excellent educational opportunities in D3. Tremendous amount of academic and merit money available to good players with decent grades. Think 30-40% percent off a $55-60k bill. As long as he maintains minimal academic levels that money stays in place for ALL FOUR years! Even if he decides to give up lacrosse!


I completely agree, that said, my son as a solid GPA and offers from 2 D1 programs, one top 5, the other top 20. We wanted him to see some other schools that were interesting to him for academics. He emailed coaches at the D3, and his HS coach called and could not get meetings with 2 of the 3 D3 programs he contacted, the coaches said they didn't waste time with sophomores. It surprised me that the coaches were that short-sighted, as my son based his final decision on academics and his future, and ended up verbaling to the lower ranked lacrosse program because it is a much better fit for his career plans. I think he was turned off by the coaches who refused to spend half an hour showing him athletic facilities (we made it clear we didn't expect them to spend time on a full tour). In the end his choice was a good one, and I think a better fit than the other schools, but we didn't know that until we visited them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question. Why can't D3 schools be on the same "verbal" timetable as D1 schools? It seems like players don't verbally commit to D3s until Senior year. Why not junior year or sophomore year. The fact that there is no athletic scholarship money should not impact the ability for D3 coaches and recruits to have a verbal agreement. Thoughts?


Most kids aren't going to agree to a D3 until D1 options are off the table.


Excellent educational opportunities in D3. Tremendous amount of academic and merit money available to good players with decent grades. Think 30-40% percent off a $55-60k bill. As long as he maintains minimal academic levels that money stays in place for ALL FOUR years! Even if he decides to give up lacrosse!


What are some of the D3 schools you are referring to?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The NESCAC's are on a very close timeline with regard to recruiting as D1's


Really? What NESCAC's have verbally committed to 2018 players? That is the current timeline with D1's
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question. Why can't D3 schools be on the same "verbal" timetable as D1 schools? It seems like players don't verbally commit to D3s until Senior year. Why not junior year or sophomore year. The fact that there is no athletic scholarship money should not impact the ability for D3 coaches and recruits to have a verbal agreement. Thoughts?


Most kids aren't going to agree to a D3 until D1 options are off the table.


Excellent educational opportunities in D3. Tremendous amount of academic and merit money available to good players with decent grades. Think 30-40% percent off a $55-60k bill. As long as he maintains minimal academic levels that money stays in place for ALL FOUR years! Even if he decides to give up lacrosse!


I completely agree, that said, my son as a solid GPA and offers from 2 D1 programs, one top 5, the other top 20. We wanted him to see some other schools that were interesting to him for academics. He emailed coaches at the D3, and his HS coach called and could not get meetings with 2 of the 3 D3 programs he contacted, the coaches said they didn't waste time with sophomores. It surprised me that the coaches were that short-sighted, as my son based his final decision on academics and his future, and ended up verbaling to the lower ranked lacrosse program because it is a much better fit for his career plans. I think he was turned off by the coaches who refused to spend half an hour showing him athletic facilities (we made it clear we didn't expect them to spend time on a full tour). In the end his choice was a good one, and I think a better fit than the other schools, but we didn't know that until we visited them.


D3 schools aren't as aggressive recruiting wise because they wait to see what type of grades players have. They want proof that a player will satisfy the schools admissions criteria.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
People, play the odds. How many kids had a coach screw them after a verbal? One guys knows one, another person said it happens all the time.

I have been around for years and never have seen this happen. If fact, coaches that have changed have honored previous player verbals.

I have seen where a kid screwed up legally, and one where SAT didn't get where needed to be, but other than that they are honored for year one. After that it is prove yourself.

ANyone who says different and believes it is simply wrong. The earlier the commit, the larger the $ is absolutely true.


Your post is only partially correct: it does happen all the time, quietly and brutally, in lacrosse and in every other non-revenue sport. Athletic merit resets, coaching changes, non-revenue sport operating and other budget changes. Did you know there is one ACC lacrosse program that was not fully funded 6 years ago? Probably not, but here is a hint, they won NCAAs last year. The only sports where 4 year deals are sacred are men's football, then men's and women's basketball.

A coach promised your son a certain deal? FACT!!! ? Great. You don't think coaches can change their minds or maybe you are running too far with the assumptions you have? Every non-revenue coach has to re-shuffle scarce resources every year. The earlier the commit the bigger the year one dollars? Sure, I will give you that point but the point goes no further. Anyone telling you different is selling you something not true. Your son's deal for the first year is likely solid, but not certainly solid if it is a specific money promise today. Those promises get broken all the time for one reason: coaches need to win and to win off the heels of a challenge to their program or job means changes. It's the winning business, not remember what I promised a lacrosse Dad business. Try calling your son's D1 coach AFTER he is enrolled to engage some unhurried and folksy 20-30 minute phone calls you were humored with during recruiting. They won't happen. The winning business leaves no room for it. You might have been around for years, but you are obviously nowhere near the world of running a funded D1 program and coaching for your job every year. Like my cousin who WAS a D1 coach. Lot of these kids and their parents are in for some very rude reality in a few years. Daddy and club coach can't fix it for you, so beware at the gates if you can't handle it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
People, play the odds. How many kids had a coach screw them after a verbal? One guys knows one, another person said it happens all the time.

I have been around for years and never have seen this happen. If fact, coaches that have changed have honored previous player verbals.

I have seen where a kid screwed up legally, and one where SAT didn't get where needed to be, but other than that they are honored for year one. After that it is prove yourself.

ANyone who says different and believes it is simply wrong. The earlier the commit, the larger the $ is absolutely true.


Your post is only partially correct: it does happen all the time, quietly and brutally, in lacrosse and in every other non-revenue sport. Athletic merit resets, coaching changes, non-revenue sport operating and other budget changes. Did you know there is one ACC lacrosse program that was not fully funded 6 years ago? Probably not, but here is a hint, they won NCAAs last year. The only sports where 4 year deals are sacred are men's football, then men's and women's basketball.

A coach promised your son a certain deal? FACT!!! ? Great. You don't think coaches can change their minds or maybe you are running too far with the assumptions you have? Every non-revenue coach has to re-shuffle scarce resources every year. The earlier the commit the bigger the year one dollars? Sure, I will give you that point but the point goes no further. Anyone telling you different is selling you something not true. Your son's deal for the first year is likely solid, but not certainly solid if it is a specific money promise today. Those promises get broken all the time for one reason: coaches need to win and to win off the heels of a challenge to their program or job means changes. It's the winning business, not remember what I promised a lacrosse Dad business. Try calling your son's D1 coach AFTER he is enrolled to engage some unhurried and folksy 20-30 minute phone calls you were humored with during recruiting. They won't happen. The winning business leaves no room for it. You might have been around for years, but you are obviously nowhere near the world of running a funded D1 program and coaching for your job every year. Like my cousin who WAS a D1 coach. Lot of these kids and their parents are in for some very rude reality in a few years. Daddy and club coach can't fix it for you, so beware at the gates if you can't handle it.


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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 - 10/23/14 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
People, play the odds. How many kids had a coach screw them after a verbal? One guys knows one, another person said it happens all the time.

I have been around for years and never have seen this happen. If fact, coaches that have changed have honored previous player verbals.

I have seen where a kid screwed up legally, and one where SAT didn't get where needed to be, but other than that they are honored for year one. After that it is prove yourself.

ANyone who says different and believes it is simply wrong. The earlier the commit, the larger the $ is absolutely true. <