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BOTC is opening our Fall 2014 through Summer 2015 thread covering the Boys 2017 age group.

Here's to the most insane dads on STRONG ISLAND. Keep complaining about the ages of other kids across the United States!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's to the most insane dads on STRONG ISLAND. Keep complaining about the ages of other kids across the United States!

Ha ha. Nice opening salvo. Well, here's to keeping the system accountable and honest.

Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?

That's laughable. I mean good for the kid going to Duke, but lots of kids get into Duke every year without getting left back 2/3 years. I hope he can keep up academically if he needed all those years to close the gap with his own peers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?

As a MD Dad with a 2017 who just turned 15 two months ago, I agree in principle. We can spend another 6 months on a thread complaining about it to no avail. Here is one thing I would say. My son wanted to be on the varsity field as a 9th grader, and he made it. They all want that, which means getting out there with kids who are seniors at least 3 years older. But for club play many this holy alliance they need to be in the same 12 month window. I'm fine with that. So why doesn't US lacrosse say that club play must be age based? Canadian box is. U-17, U-16, etc. That still does nothing to fix there being no rule against 16-18 year old HS freshman players. I wonder why the college coaches do not see a 16-17 year old freshman as "soft" or "asterisk" if after some diligence I learned that he did 8th grade over and/or 9th grade over to get over the hump to be recruited. That weakness and coping never leaves a kid I think...a lot of these reclassified kids will feel all alone without their Dad and club owner fixing it every time it didn't go great for them.

Well said!!!

LI dad that couldn't agree more, when they get to JV and Varsity age is out the window, and size, best way to beat a large D, move the ball, quick passes.

You people are crazy... My son has told me that he wants to go to the best college possible academically and wants to play club, and love every second of it. d1 lacrosse is a job and i applaud all those who do it. Once you graduate, nobody cares where you played or how many goals you scored, the bottom line is you have to get a job. However I do respect d1 athletes greatly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?

As a MD Dad with a 2017 who just turned 15 two months ago, I agree in principle. We can spend another 6 months on a thread complaining about it to no avail. Here is one thing I would say. My son wanted to be on the varsity field as a 9th grader, and he made it. They all want that, which means getting out there with kids who are seniors at least 3 years older. But for club play many this holy alliance they need to be in the same 12 month window. I'm fine with that. So why doesn't US lacrosse say that club play must be age based? Canadian box is. U-17, U-16, etc. That still does nothing to fix there being no rule against 16-18 year old HS freshman players. I wonder why the college coaches do not see a 16-17 year old freshman as "soft" or "asterisk" if after some diligence I learned that he did 8th grade over and/or 9th grade over to get over the hump to be recruited. That weakness and coping never leaves a kid I think...a lot of these reclassified kids will feel all alone without their Dad and club owner fixing it every time it didn't go great for them.

There is no way you are from MD with that comment!!!'

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?

As a MD Dad with a 2017 who just turned 15 two months ago, I agree in principle. We can spend another 6 months on a thread complaining about it to no avail. Here is one thing I would say. My son wanted to be on the varsity field as a 9th grader, and he made it. They all want that, which means getting out there with kids who are seniors at least 3 years older. But for club play many this holy alliance they need to be in the same 12 month window. I'm fine with that. So why doesn't US lacrosse say that club play must be age based? Canadian box is. U-17, U-16, etc. That still does nothing to fix there being no rule against 16-18 year old HS freshman players. I wonder why the college coaches do not see a 16-17 year old freshman as "soft" or "asterisk" if after some diligence I learned that he did 8th grade over and/or 9th grade over to get over the hump to be recruited. That weakness and coping never leaves a kid I think...a lot of these reclassified kids will feel all alone without their Dad and club owner fixing it every time it didn't go great for them.

There is no way you are from MD with that comment!!!'

We are from Maryland, and believe me the kids who play straight up are in the minority but are proud to not be "wimp-peats" as they like to call their peers who reclassified for lacrosse.

Villanova Freshman Class: Take a look at the birthdates.

http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=40739

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?

That's laughable. I mean good for the kid going to Duke, but lots of kids get into Duke every year without getting left back 2/3 years. I hope he can keep up academically if he needed all those years to close the gap with his own peers.

Is he from TX, Canada, DC or LI?

Yeah some of the out of state ny kids are a year older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Villanova Freshman Class: Take a look at the birthdates.

http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=40739

They all look to be on the older side with quite a few entering as 19 year olds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Villanova Freshman Class: Take a look at the birthdates.

http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=40739

All this does is lend credit to holding back your son. Especially if under sized to compete with those a year younger.

Villanova is on my 2019 sons wish list; maybe it is a serious consideration.

The number of transfers in D1 suggests that early recruiting led kids to schools not best for them. Must be close to half a dozen kids leaving or transfering to Maryland alone. Never seen as many kids who played a lot as freshmen in college flipping to other programs. Used to be small number of kids disgruntled over PT or who got a reality check they would not see the field at a big time program. This is different...Looks like MLB at the trade deadline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The number of transfers in D1 suggests that early recruiting led kids to schools not best for them. Must be close to half a dozen kids leaving or transfering to Maryland alone. Never seen as many kids who played a lot as freshmen in college flipping to other programs. Used to be small number of kids disgruntled over PT or who got a reality check they would not see the field at a big time program. This is different...Looks like MLB at the trade deadline.

I am curious how is this possible without ramifications (losing a year of eligibility). Then I wonder, they aren't getting a full ride so why should a school hold you hostage if they aren't giving you a full ride?

What are the drawbacks? What are the rules? are the coaches just releasing the players?

Coaches are giving releases.

Think of life as if it is one hundred marbles. In my opinion, lacrosse is worth only about 2, maybe 3 marbles. Who the heck cares if your son is or isn`t going to college to play lacrosse. Set priorities in life, and I hope* that lacrosse is at the bottom of your list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Think of life as if it is one hundred marbles. In my opinion, lacrosse is worth only about 2, maybe 3 marbles. Who the heck cares if your son is or isn`t going to college to play lacrosse. Set priorities in life, and I hope* that lacrosse is at the bottom of your list.

Lacrosse is a vehicle you can use to get your son into a school he might not have made into on grades alone. Additionally, any of us that may have played a sport at the collegiate level knows what a special experience it is. I personally would love my son to be able to experience playing a sport at that level and getting the most of his college years, but by no means is it the end all be all of our lives. Its all about setting your son up to be successful in life after school. Lacrosse is just one way to help him on his way

Which teams will have best opportunity to help my son get recruited? He has always played with town and is a good player. It is time to pick a travel team that will be good for recruiting if he makes the team.

I don't think they are horribly old, several of the 1995s are December birthdays, actually I am surprised many are younger 18s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think they are horribly old, several of the 1995s are December birthdays, actually I am surprised many are younger 18s.

In my district December 1 is the cutoff, the December kids are in the correct grade. The other 1995 kids are held back. The PA, MA and MD kids are much older than the NY kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think they are horribly old, several of the 1995s are December birthdays, actually I am surprised many are younger 18s.

In my district December 1 is the cutoff, the December kids are in the correct grade. The other 1995 kids are held back. The PA, MA and MD kids are much older than the NY kids.

So I just looked at a school that shows birth year and month and wow!! I'm new to this whole age thing and my eyes are wide open. UNC has almost no player age appropriate. My guess is the bigger the lax school, the older the kids are. And I am also noticing more and more commitments are being phrased "do a pg yr and you're mine". Interesting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think they are horribly old, several of the 1995s are December birthdays, actually I am surprised many are younger 18s.

In my district December 1 is the cutoff, the December kids are in the correct grade. The other 1995 kids are held back. The PA, MA and MD kids are much older than the NY kids.

FYI, in PA the cutoff for school is August 31, and MANY pre-K programs suggest holding back kids (especially boys) with summer birthdays, not for sports reason but for academic reasons. So naturally, many PA kids will be "older" that is how our system works

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think they are horribly old, several of the 1995s are December birthdays, actually I am surprised many are younger 18s.

In my district December 1 is the cutoff, the December kids are in the correct grade. The other 1995 kids are held back. The PA, MA and MD kids are much older than the NY kids.

And that's just Villanova. Not that Villanova is a bad lax school but let's face it, it's no ACC school. I bet kids are way older at the better lax schools.

So I just looked at a school that shows birth year and month and wow!! I'm new to this whole age thing and my eyes are wide open. UNC has almost no player age appropriate. My guess is the bigger the lax school, the older the kids are. And I am also noticing more and more commitments are being phrased "do a pg yr and you're mine". Interesting. [/quote]

That is pretty dumb. Why not tell the kid to come to UNC and pay own way for a red shirt first year, then get the 4 year grant in-aid for lacrosse. Don't get the love affair with one more year of prep school lacrosse. Being in a program like UNC for a year does more and gets Breschi what he wanted which is a kid one year older.

well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.

West Point has admissions criteria that are very high. UNC and most other scholarship lacrosse schools do not. When a kid offers to do a PG year or it is suggested, that is just a different version of redshirting. A kid who is not making C average in high school is not being recruited by even the UNCs anyways.

So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.

No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.

West Point has admissions criteria that are very high. UNC and most other scholarship lacrosse schools do not. When a kid offers to do a PG year or it is suggested, that is just a different version of redshirting. A kid who is not making C average in high school is not being recruited by even the UNCs anyways.

Not to mention all the military work the WP kids would have to do. They go from boys to men there pretty fast, I can tell you that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.

No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.

They are doing PG so they can get a spot at UNC. Without the lax wouldn't be getting in

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So I just looked at a school that shows birth year and month and wow!! I'm new to this whole age thing and my eyes are wide open. UNC has almost no player age appropriate. My guess is the bigger the lax school, the older the kids are. And I am also noticing more and more commitments are being phrased "do a pg yr and you're mine". Interesting.

That is pretty dumb. Why not tell the kid to come to UNC and pay own way for a red shirt first year, then get the 4 year grant in-aid for lacrosse. Don't get the love affair with one more year of prep school lacrosse. Being in a program like UNC for a year does more and gets Breschi what he wanted which is a kid one year older. [/quote]

Talk about dumb. The point of asking potential kid to do pg is so the d1 lax coach doesn't use up a precious spot on a kid that is too young compares to the rest of that class and team for that matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.

No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.

You are misinformed. I know a kid that was offered a big chunk of athletic scholarship this year at a high level school. Maybe not all spots get $$ but the top 4 or 5 usually get min 25%

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.

No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.

They are doing PG so they can get a spot at UNC. Without the lax wouldn't be getting in

My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.

West Point has admissions criteria that are very high. UNC and most other scholarship lacrosse schools do not. When a kid offers to do a PG year or it is suggested, that is just a different version of redshirting. A kid who is not making C average in high school is not being recruited by even the UNCs anyways.

Not to mention all the military work the WP kids would have to do. They go from boys to men there pretty fast, I can tell you that!

WP is free plus an excellent start in life. Nothing against any other school mentioned but there is a payoff for the service academies if you son is willing and able. I think most have a prep school affiliated though, and they aren't 60K.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.

West Point has admissions criteria that are very high. UNC and most other scholarship lacrosse schools do not. When a kid offers to do a PG year or it is suggested, that is just a different version of redshirting. A kid who is not making C average in high school is not being recruited by even the UNCs anyways.

Not to mention all the military work the WP kids would have to do. They go from boys to men there pretty fast, I can tell you that!

WP is free plus an excellent start in life. Nothing against any other school mentioned but there is a payoff for the service academies if you son is willing and able. I think most have a prep school affiliated though, and they aren't 60K.

Well, I know all about west point, have family there. They have their own "pg" school on site, funded by taxpayers. The academy is very tough. Not the "college life" most boys have in mind. If you are the right type of kid, it's the best. Free education at a top institution plus you come out with 200g in bank and a job . Not too shabby. Campus beautiful too!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.

West Point has admissions criteria that are very high. UNC and most other scholarship lacrosse schools do not. When a kid offers to do a PG year or it is suggested, that is just a different version of redshirting. A kid who is not making C average in high school is not being recruited by even the UNCs anyways.

Not to mention all the military work the WP kids would have to do. They go from boys to men there pretty fast, I can tell you that!

WP is free plus an excellent start in life. Nothing against any other school mentioned but there is a payoff for the service academies if you son is willing and able. I think most have a prep school affiliated though, and they aren't 60K.

Many service academy athletes do a year at the Prep School - NAPS (Naval Academy Prep) or USMAPS (West Point Prep) It's free and it gets them acclimated to what they can expect as a midshipman or a cadet. It also prepares them academically if they might need some help in that area. Helps as an athlete too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.

No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.

They are doing PG so they can get a spot at UNC. Without the lax wouldn't be getting in

My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.

Total BS. A full ride? Lol! Maybe Lyle Thompson but that's about it in division 1.

I'm thinking the only way a lacrosse player is getting a full ride is if it is need-based. I'm not sure how you develop a kid to be D1 material without $$$, if you don't make a decent amount the $5-10K per year it takes for team fees, travel and other athletic coaching would be rough. It would be a very special kid who could progress playing only the 15-18 HS games per season compared to the kid who plays an additional 25-35+ tourney games playing summer club and possibly more if they play fall ball.

Some schools have good sized endowments. Ivy, Patriot, Notre Dame, UVa, etc. Except for Ivy they are scholarship schools, and it is no big secret that if you are need based the financial aid is a better money solution to make it work. I am sure the coaches know what they are doing. Some may go feast or famine and offer four kids a year 70%+. Some like the ACC schools send the message that everyone is a top recruit and gets some money, so it is smaller % for each spot. And at Ivy schools it is just an admissions preference. The poster above made a good point that the only free rides for all are the service academies and its impressive the prep school year is free if needed. I think the initial question was why would a UNC 2017 who is told to be a 2018 to get a spot going to some $50K a year boarding school? Go to UNC and pay own way to have a redshirt year in the program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.

No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.

They are doing PG so they can get a spot at UNC. Without the lax wouldn't be getting in

My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.

No way your son got 70% off tuition ATHLETICALLY!! It doesn't happen in lacrosse not even for the Rabils of the world. The best players get less than 10% and the rest get pennies.

Do you think maybe parents are exaggerating the % they repeat was offered to their son? A lot of kids get a proud parent brag scholarship as one assistant coach said. $1000 a year to say you are a scholarship athlete is worth a million to the parents and the kids. Some kids get a big % offer but most can't get much. 12.6 is all they have to give out.

Because maybe they can't get in without coaches spot.

List of top colleges with price tags if out of state:

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

My reactions as a parent of a 2017. Lots of lacrosse schools in the top 100. And they are really expensive. If you are from the state of NC or VA and go to those schools, great. If you are getting a 20% scholarship from out of state or from JHU or another private college, that hardly solves a working class family's problems paying for college. Some lacrosse schools are low regarded. High Point at #558, some like UMass are buried in the 200s. A degree even free from one of those not worth a lot in the real world. If my son went to an Ivy I'd pray for some love from those bazillion dollar endowments at the financial aid office.

Son, how about USNA or West Point? Love the cost: N/A !!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.

No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.

They are doing PG so they can get a spot at UNC. Without the lax wouldn't be getting in

My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.

No way your son got 70% off tuition ATHLETICALLY!! It doesn't happen in lacrosse not even for the Rabils of the world. The best players get less than 10% and the rest get pennies.

It happened! He was an early commit in a specialist position and known as one of the best in the country. All athletic money which is what we wanted because although he is a decent student, he probably would not qualify for academic money.

There are definitely still a lot of kids that get big offers. Then there are some very smart, or some financially compromised individuals that get money through other means. There might be 25-30 kids in a team getting an athletic scholarship at a time. Divide that by the 12 scholarships and you can see the percentages can and are higher than you guys are thinking. (25%-50%) Then there are some offered more. You don't have to be Lyle Thompson!

My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.
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No way your son got 70% off tuition ATHLETICALLY!! It doesn't happen in lacrosse not even for the Rabils of the world. The best players get less than 10% and the rest get pennies. [/quote]

It happened! He was an early commit in a specialist position and known as one of the best in the country. All athletic money which is what we wanted because although he is a decent student, he probably would not qualify for academic money. [/quote]

The only top 30 school on that list that has any known lacrosse commits is Duke and the only specialist position filled in is goalie. Nice way to intentionally brag not anonymously. Congratulations, now can we all move on?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.

No way your son got 70% off tuition ATHLETICALLY!! It doesn't happen in lacrosse not even for the Rabils of the world. The best players get less than 10% and the rest get pennies. [/quote]

It happened! He was an early commit in a specialist position and known as one of the best in the country. All athletic money which is what we wanted because although he is a decent student, he probably would not qualify for academic money. [/quote]

The only top 30 school on that list that has any known lacrosse commits is Duke and the only specialist position filled in is goalie. Nice way to intentionally brag not anonymously. Congratulations, now can we all move on? [/quote]

You can believe what you want, but it's true. Would love to tell you who he is but it's confidential. I'm just sharing that these offers do exist

Yeah they exist. Nicky G got a full ride at UNC and at Cuse. You don't need to tell us who it is, you already did chump. Pretty low to come on this board and leak about goalie boy and then back off saying confidential once you got made. Now Go find a Maryland board to brag about it and feel better about yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

List of top colleges with price tags if out of state:

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

My reactions as a parent of a 2017. Lots of lacrosse schools in the top 100. And they are really expensive. If you are from the state of NC or VA and go to those schools, great. If you are getting a 20% scholarship from out of state or from JHU or another private college, that hardly solves a working class family's problems paying for college. Some lacrosse schools are low regarded. High Point at #558, some like UMass are buried in the 200s. A degree even free from one of those not worth a lot in the real world. If my son went to an Ivy I'd pray for some love from those bazillion dollar endowments at the financial aid office.

Son, how about USNA or West Point? Love the cost: N/A !!!!!!!

If you don't have a lot of money or have other kids in college the Ivys are actually very affordable. I have a nephew who went to Princeton and paid about 8-10K per year, his family is not rich but they make over 6 figures. He was not playing sports, of course his SATs were near perfect and he had over a 4.0.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

List of top colleges with price tags if out of state:

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

My reactions as a parent of a 2017. Lots of lacrosse schools in the top 100. And they are really expensive. If you are from the state of NC or VA and go to those schools, great. If you are getting a 20% scholarship from out of state or from JHU or another private college, that hardly solves a working class family's problems paying for college. Some lacrosse schools are low regarded. High Point at #558, some like UMass are buried in the 200s. A degree even free from one of those not worth a lot in the real world. If my son went to an Ivy I'd pray for some love from those bazillion dollar endowments at the financial aid office.

Just an observation here: Your on here mouthing off about different College's rankings. Placing presumed values on degrees from different schools and the like. I ask you? What school did you go to? You haven't even saved the money to fund your son's education, nor can you find the assets to pay for it now. You're on here praying that an Ivy will "GIVE" your son money. Sounds like a solid plan.

Son, how about USNA or West Point? Love the cost: N/A !!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah they exist. Nicky G got a full ride at UNC and at Cuse. You don't need to tell us who it is, you already did chump. Pretty low to come on this board and leak about goalie boy and then back off saying confidential once you got made. Now Go find a Maryland board to brag about it and feel better about yourself.

Nicky G isn't getting close to full at Cuse

Why so angry! You people are nuts!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are definitely still a lot of kids that get big offers. Then there are some very smart, or some financially compromised individuals that get money through other means. There might be 25-30 kids in a team getting an athletic scholarship at a time. Divide that by the 12 scholarships and you can see the percentages can and are higher than you guys are thinking. (25%-50%) Then there are some offered more. You don't have to be Lyle Thompson!

D1 teams have 40-45 players on the roster and they all split the 12.6 scholarships.

Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.

The list of colleges showed a lot of high ranking ones that have D1 lacrosse. If a kid gets a full ride for lacrosse to one of them that is great. If you are not the special kid who gets 70% or more scholarship and left to pay $50K a year after a lacrosse scholarship that doesn't sound like a great plan to spend $7K a year flying my kid to the East Coast for tournaments and events. If my kid had a shot at an Ivy and our middle class family had some prayer for a lot of financial aid that sounds like a better plan than the one I got.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you think maybe parents are exaggerating the % they repeat was offered to their son? A lot of kids get a proud parent brag scholarship as one assistant coach said. $1000 a year to say you are a scholarship athlete is worth a million to the parents and the kids. Some kids get a big % offer but most can't get much. 12.6 is all they have to give out.

12.6 is if the program is fully funded. The average is about 20-25%. So some may get more, some less or none. I am trying to find the report I saw a few months ago that I think was put out by the NCAA. It showed the average athletic grant per program. If I remember correctly Marist and Jacksonville were the lowest at D-1. A little above $4,000. Most averaged between the 10,000-12,000 range. This was for lacrosse specifically but they had a report for each sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.

It sounded fair to me to rip this idiot.

Let's move onto something useful. We are a California family, and our son is an Ivy recruit. We were encouraged to fill in our details on this link:
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/

Your Estimated Princeton Aid Award

Based on the answers you provided on the Family Information Worksheet, we can give the following preliminary information about your financial aid eligibility at Princeton:

I. Princeton's Estimated Costs for 2014-2015

Tuition $41,820
Room 7,570
Board 6,050
Books and Personal Expenses 3,525
Travel 1,100
-------
Total Estimated Student Budget $60,065

II. Your Estimated Family Contribution

Parents' Contribution $6,100
Student's Expected Summer Savings 1,600
Student's Asset Contribution 30
-----
Total Estimated Family Contribution $7,730

III. Your Estimated Aid Package is $52,335

Grant Funds $49,435
Student Loans 0
Campus Job 2,900
------
Total Estimated Aid $52,335

$50K is a lot more than I would have hoped for given we are middle class.

Our Son was lucky enough to verbal to a strong Division 1 school a couple of months ago. Only three people know the offer. Myself, Wife ,and HS Coach. I get asked all the time, nobody needs to know.

The % changes every year, thats the key here. They get you in at 20% and the junior and senior year is 40 to 50%

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The % changes every year, thats the key here. They get you in at 20% and the junior and senior year is 40 to 50%

That depends on the school. My son's scholarship won't go down, but could go up based on his performance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The % changes every year, thats the key here. They get you in at 20% and the junior and senior year is 40 to 50%

That depends on the school. My son's scholarship won't go down, but could go up based on his performance.

Same here. My son is a 2017 commit.

That depends on the school. My son's scholarship won't go down, but could go up based on his performance. [/quote]

Same here. My son is a 2017 commit.

Most programs have kids quit or transfer so there is always money found that way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.

It sounded fair to me to rip this idiot.

Let's move onto something useful. We are a California family, and our son is an Ivy recruit. We were encouraged to fill in our details on this link:
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/

Your Estimated Princeton Aid Award

Based on the answers you provided on the Family Information Worksheet, we can give the following preliminary information about your financial aid eligibility at Princeton:

I. Princeton's Estimated Costs for 2014-2015

Tuition $41,820
Room 7,570
Board 6,050
Books and Personal Expenses 3,525
Travel 1,100
-------
Total Estimated Student Budget $60,065

II. Your Estimated Family Contribution

Parents' Contribution $6,100
Student's Expected Summer Savings 1,600
Student's Asset Contribution 30
-----
Total Estimated Family Contribution $7,730

III. Your Estimated Aid Package is $52,335

Grant Funds $49,435
Student Loans 0
Campus Job 2,900
------
Total Estimated Aid $52,335

$50K is a lot more than I would have hoped for given we are middle class.

So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This country is just [lacrosse] backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.

It sounded fair to me to rip this idiot.

Let's move onto something useful. We are a California family, and our son is an Ivy recruit. We were encouraged to fill in our details on this link:
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/

Your Estimated Princeton Aid Award

Based on the answers you provided on the Family Information Worksheet, we can give the following preliminary information about your financial aid eligibility at Princeton:

I. Princeton's Estimated Costs for 2014-2015

Tuition $41,820
Room 7,570
Board 6,050
Books and Personal Expenses 3,525
Travel 1,100
-------
Total Estimated Student Budget $60,065

II. Your Estimated Family Contribution

Parents' Contribution $6,100
Student's Expected Summer Savings 1,600
Student's Asset Contribution 30
-----
Total Estimated Family Contribution $7,730

III. Your Estimated Aid Package is $52,335

Grant Funds $49,435
Student Loans 0
Campus Job 2,900
------
Total Estimated Aid $52,335

$50K is a lot more than I would have hoped for given we are middle class.

So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This country is just [lacrosse] backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.

That money comes from the endowment. Princeton has one of the biggest in the country. The alumni give back to the school. What is disgusting is that most schools raise tuition every year because they offer more money in federally subsidized loans as part of their financial aid package. If the kid defaults, the loans are backed by the federal government. The school already got paid for the tuition. Now the taxpayer has to pay for it. Just add it to the federal debt. Ok back to lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.

It sounded fair to me to rip this idiot.

Let's move onto something useful. We are a California family, and our son is an Ivy recruit. We were encouraged to fill in our details on this link:
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/

Your Estimated Princeton Aid Award

Based on the answers you provided on the Family Information Worksheet, we can give the following preliminary information about your financial aid eligibility at Princeton:

I. Princeton's Estimated Costs for 2014-2015

Tuition $41,820
Room 7,570
Board 6,050
Books and Personal Expenses 3,525
Travel 1,100
-------
Total Estimated Student Budget $60,065

II. Your Estimated Family Contribution

Parents' Contribution $6,100
Student's Expected Summer Savings 1,600
Student's Asset Contribution 30
-----
Total Estimated Family Contribution $7,730

III. Your Estimated Aid Package is $52,335

Grant Funds $49,435
Student Loans 0
Campus Job 2,900
------
Total Estimated Aid $52,335

$50K is a lot more than I would have hoped for given we are middle class.

So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This country is just [lacrosse] backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.

That money comes from the endowment. Princeton has one of the biggest in the country. The alumni give back to the school. What is disgusting is that most schools raise tuition every year because they offer more money in federally subsidized loans as part of their financial aid package. If the kid defaults, the loans are backed by the federal government. The school already got paid for the tuition. Now the taxpayer has to pay for it. Just add it to the federal debt. Ok back to lacrosse. [/quote

That endowment is allowed to grow tax free, hence the rest of us are helping to fund the schools "good deeds". They also pay zero taxes on every nickel they take in. Make no mistake, it is at the tax payers expense. As well as at the expense of families who are hard working and financially responsible. They just happen to be one in the same.

So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting. [/quote]

Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.

Taxpayers are affected by some college's endowment? Ummm, no. The cash I donate to my school is deductable like any other donation. College endowments do pay capital gains on investment income. These schools are basically private clubs that can do what they want with the money fed in by alums.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.

Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators. [/quote]

No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.

Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.

No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right? [/quote]

Great post! What goes on is disgusting!

I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.

Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.

No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right?

Great post! What goes on is disgusting! [/quote]

I think it is great that schools like Princeton have alumni that want to help send the best of the best to school. To be the best means you DO WORK YOUR [lacrosse] OFF and there is a reward at the end. Just because you worked hard and it paid off, does not mean it does for everyone. What about the blue collar worker that works 80 hours a week, and yet cannot afford to pay for three kids to go to college such as Princeton? Does this guy not work hard? Yet, if his kid works hard, like he does, there is a reward- endowments, scholarships aid, to help his three kids get into the best school they can make. My son wants to go to Princeton. I told him no- we cannot afford a school as such. Then we did learn about the various ways Princeton and some other big name schools help out the students, far more so than other schools. My son is not yet in HS- yet his aspirations are HIGH and he works round the clock on his academics, and travel sports teams. I would love to see my son land in one of these type of schools where they are rewarded for their hard work to get there. And yes, like a previous poster said, half of it may luck or connections in being successful. Good luck to you and your son.

2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Lacrosse is 90% mental, the other half is physical.

2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.

Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.

navy is impressive, [lacrosse] with lacrosse this boy is going to defend the country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.

Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.

No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right?

Great post! What goes on is disgusting!

I think it is great that schools like Princeton have alumni that want to help send the best of the best to school. To be the best means you DO WORK YOUR [lacrosse] OFF and there is a reward at the end. Just because you worked hard and it paid off, does not mean it does for everyone. What about the blue collar worker that works 80 hours a week, and yet cannot afford to pay for three kids to go to college such as Princeton? Does this guy not work hard? Yet, if his kid works hard, like he does, there is a reward- endowments, scholarships aid, to help his three kids get into the best school they can make. My son wants to go to Princeton. I told him no- we cannot afford a school as such. Then we did learn about the various ways Princeton and some other big name schools help out the students, far more so than other schools. My son is not yet in HS- yet his aspirations are HIGH and he works round the clock on his academics, and travel sports teams. I would love to see my son land in one of these type of schools where they are rewarded for their hard work to get there. And yes, like a previous poster said, half of it may luck or connections in being successful. Good luck to you and your son. [/quote]

Your so dumb, its mind numbing. If there weren't different prices for different people the price would be about $15-20k a year. Those paying full price would not have to subsidize those going for free... Get it now?

Didn't the Outlaw 2017 Team lose to the Team 91 Extreme 2018 this year at JDF???

Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.

Without the Gladiator group that came over this Team would have be average. They beat TB once, and then lost to them two weeks later. Who else did they beat?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...

This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.

Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.

No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right?

Great post! What goes on is disgusting!

I think it is great that schools like Princeton have alumni that want to help send the best of the best to school. To be the best means you DO WORK YOUR [lacrosse] OFF and there is a reward at the end. Just because you worked hard and it paid off, does not mean it does for everyone. What about the blue collar worker that works 80 hours a week, and yet cannot afford to pay for three kids to go to college such as Princeton? Does this guy not work hard? Yet, if his kid works hard, like he does, there is a reward- endowments, scholarships aid, to help his three kids get into the best school they can make. My son wants to go to Princeton. I told him no- we cannot afford a school as such. Then we did learn about the various ways Princeton and some other big name schools help out the students, far more so than other schools. My son is not yet in HS- yet his aspirations are HIGH and he works round the clock on his academics, and travel sports teams. I would love to see my son land in one of these type of schools where they are rewarded for their hard work to get there. And yes, like a previous poster said, half of it may luck or connections in being successful. Good luck to you and your son.

Your so dumb, its mind numbing. If there weren't different prices for different people the price would be about $15-20k a year. Those paying full price would not have to subsidize those going for free... Get it now? [/quote]

a blue collar family earning 60-70k could afford $20/k tuition. so there would always have to be financial assistance unless only catering to the wealthy. Schools like Princeton have huge endowments paid for by the generosity of their alumni many of whom benefited from such assistance when they were in school. to refer to this is disgusting or imply the taxpayers subsidize is ignorant. btw i'm a different poster than one you called dumb

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.

Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.

No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new I think it is great that schools like Princeton have alumni that want to help send the best of the best to school. To be the best means you DO WORK YOUR [lacrosse] OFF and there is a reward at the end. Just because you worked hard and it paid off, does not mean it does for everyone. What about the blue collar worker that works 80 hours a week, and yet cannot afford to pay for three kids to go to college such as Princeton? Does this guy not work hard? Yet, if his kid works hard, like he does, there is a reward- endowments, scholarships aid, to help his three kids get into the best school they can make. My son wants to go to Princeton. I told him no- we cannot afford a school as such. Then we did learn about the various ways Princeton and some other big name schools help out the students, far more so than other schools. My son is not yet in HS- yet his aspirations are HIGH and he works round the clock on his academics, and travel sports teams. I would love to see my son land in one of these type of schools where they are rewarded for their hard work to get there. And yes, like a previous poster said, half of it may luck or connections in being successful. Good luck to you and your son.

Your so dumb, its mind numbing. If there weren't different prices for different people the price would be about $15-20k a year. Those paying full price would not have to subsidize those going for free... Get it now?

You're an idiot. Who cares if Princeton has a price tag of $60,000 or even $200,000 a year and indexes it down by income. Tuition indexing is fairly common among private colleges and at some prep schools, and what happens is people pay what the computer says they can afford. Sons or daughters of school teachers or mid-level white collar workers can be perfect kids at what they do and deserve their shot. What is wrong with that? I think it is admirable that some colleges say we want the best and the brightest students and future leaders and will grant kids who qualify. That sounds like a strategy to get the best and brightest like President Obama or President Clinton from where they came, not a subsidy. A subsidy is admissions spots and need based grants going to kids who are not necessarily the best or brightest, like lacrosse players. Parents like you should be grateful that Ivy schools consider recruited athletes to be worth exceptions.

This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country. [/quote]

We all pay Federal, local and property taxes and more if we are lucky to make more, that is nothing special. Looking for a handout, you mean like looking for a lacrosse grant in aid to help pay for your kid's college? That sounds like a handout to some kids who get perfect grades and scores who don't have a coach schilling them in and giving athletic money which is a hand out. What you call a pity case is pretty pathetic. If some private colleges can afford to hand out lots of academic aid and scholarships that seems like a private institution making a private decision that you should not care less about.

There are plenty of top players left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Without the Gladiator group that came over this Team would have be average. They beat TB once, and then lost to them two weeks later. Who else did they beat?

True Blue, NXT (who beat 91, Express), beat fl$, didnt play 91/Express. Beat Team Carolina, BBL, Laxachusetts Black, LB3 Atl, Express Terps 2018, West Islip Varsity, and Im sure a few other that my kid wasnt playing in that tournament. Very happy with this team. And there were a few gladiators that came over, a few kids from other teams, and a lot of kids that were on the team for years.

Lost to the 2018 Team 91. Can't lose to younger teams. No matter how good they are.

That game vs the younger 91 team wasn't even close for the Outlaws. I think a few Outlaw players will be at the the new Rotanz try out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.

Top Player?? I think not

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Without the Gladiator group that came over this Team would have be average. They beat TB once, and then lost to them two weeks later. Who else did they beat?

True Blue, NXT (who beat 91, Express), beat fl$, didnt play 91/Express. Beat Team Carolina, BBL, Laxachusetts Black, LB3 Atl, Express Terps 2018, West Islip Varsity, and Im sure a few other that my kid wasnt playing in that tournament. Very happy with this team. And there were a few gladiators that came over, a few kids from other teams, and a lot of kids that were on the team for years.

Heard they are getting BIG names to come over, and could give you 91 reasons why they will, but too busy now, maybe later. GO Outlaws

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lost to the 2018 Team 91. Can't lose to younger teams. No matter how good they are.

Was Not Top team, was white Team, They had 3 Teams last year, Good try , 2017 Outlaws are going to be nasty this fall and next summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...

This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.

I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lost to the 2018 Team 91. Can't lose to younger teams. No matter how good they are.

That wasn't Outlaws A team...

My son has played against several of the guys on the Villanova list this past year. I guarantee their age has nothing to do with why they were recruited. Neither kid was more mature they could just flat out play.

If you want to play at the D1 level. You need to be able to prove you can play well against older kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.

Top Player?? I think not

That is a classless post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lost to the 2018 Team 91. Can't lose to younger teams. No matter how good they are.

Was Not Top team, was white Team, They had 3 Teams last year, Good try , 2017 Outlaws are going to be nasty this fall and next summer

None of this matters anymore. Its all about the kids getting recruited at this point. Just take a look around, all the supposed "top" teams are concentrating on other things, winning means nothing. Its all about the exposure at this point.

My son received an invite to the TOP205 fall showcase. Ive heard mixed reviews about it, anyone have any input? I heard last year there were too many kids and hardly any coaches? Since it looks like you have to be in the mafia to get a Philly Showcase invite this seems like a decent alternative. Any intelligent input welcome......

No way, That Outlaw Team that lost to the Team 91 2018 at JDF was the A Team. No doubt. Check again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.

Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.

Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.

Outlaw Black A TEAM. Lost to Team 91 Extreme.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...

This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.

I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.

Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaw Black A TEAM. Lost to Team 91 Extreme.

It was a combo team, not the A team.

Like a previous poster stated it is about recruiting at this age and playing in competitive tournaments.

I believe the Top 205 Fall is poor. A few D3 Schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.

Top Player?? I think not

That is a classless post.

Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.

Top Player?? I think not

That is a classless post.

Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.

Kid is not Duke material, will never see the field! Have fun riding bench!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.

Top Player?? I think not

That is a classless post.

Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.

How many goals, what team, don't ever remember seeing any of his stats in Newsday or MSG?? Who is he?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...

This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.

I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.

Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.

I am Elmer J. Fudd Millionaire, I own a Mansion and a Yacht!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...

This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.

I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.

Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.

My did fought in WWII also, he had the GI bill, was that a handout? Then he died when I was young so I had Social Security (another handout I guess). I always had a job that paid a little and got good grades, but it was not nearly enough. Thank God that I got plenty of handouts to go to college and I believe that being highly taxed now is how we pay it forward. The American Way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.

Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.

Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.

Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.

Top Player?? I think not

That is a classless post.

Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.

How many goals, what team, don't ever remember seeing any of his stats in Newsday or MSG?? Who is he?

Hills west. Led the team in points

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.

Top Player?? I think not

That is a classless post.

Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.

How many goals, what team, don't ever remember seeing any of his stats in Newsday or MSG?? Who is he?

Hills west. Led the team in points

Impressive for a freshman, if that's true he is deserving. HW was a good team. How come I never saw anything in the press about him?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.

Top Player?? I think not

That is a classless post.

Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.

How many goals, what team, don't ever remember seeing any of his stats in Newsday or MSG?? Who is he?

Hills west. Led the team in points

LOL, thanks to DADDY.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.

Top Player?? I think not

That is a classless post.

Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.

Kid is not Duke material, will never see the field! Have fun riding bench!

He gets to go to DUKE!!!! Sign me up!

3 Words

DUKE

LACROSSE

SCANDAL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.

Top Player?? I think not

That is a classless post.

Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.

Kid is not Duke material, will never see the field! Have fun riding bench!

He gets to go to DUKE!!!! Sign me up!

You grown men know you are commenting on a 15-year old? I'm sure the Duke coach knows more than you about recruiting. Good luck to him and his family. I have no idea who he is, but believe it or not some talented kids don't get press for one reason or another.

I feel sorry for your children.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.

Top Player?? I think not

That is a classless post.

Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.

Kid is not Duke material, will never see the field! Have fun riding bench!

Yet apparently Danowski seems to think he is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...

This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.

I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.

Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.

Right, you started a business that created high paying jobs...Any of the jobs your created capable of paying $50k per year in college tuition. How may of those do you have? 98% of the country wants one...

Maybe instead of telling us how hard you worked, tell the people who need it how to get a job at your company. Please.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.

Top Player?? I think not

That is a classless post.

Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.

Kid is not Duke material, will never see the field! Have fun riding bench!

Yet apparently Danowski seems to think he is.

prob no 91 connection. wait what club does Caputo's kids play for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...

This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.

I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.

Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.

Right, you started a business that created high paying jobs...Any of the jobs your created capable of paying $50k per year in college tuition. How may of those do you have? 98% of the country wants one...

Maybe instead of telling us how hard you worked, tell the people who need it how to get a job at your company. Please.....

You don't need to spend $50k a year on education, read todays WSJ. Article shows how people are getting an education for far, far less. Keep in mind, only 30% of HS seniors go on to any college nationally. It doesn't take much to figure it out. 2 years at Suffolk or Nassau, $8,000 total. Get good grades and transfer to Stony Brook, Geneseo or Binghampton. $18k a year all in. Total cost for 4 year degree $44k. Better yet, live at home and finish up at Stony Brook, $16k for two years. $24k total for a great undergrad degree. Again, get good grades, get a job and have the company pay for your masters at NYU or Columbia. Great education for pennies on the dollar. Stop being a victim, it can and is being done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...

This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.

I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.

Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.

My did fought in WWII also, he had the GI bill, was that a handout? Then he died when I was young so I had Social Security (another handout I guess). I always had a job that paid a little and got good grades, but it was not nearly enough. Thank God that I got plenty of handouts to go to college and I believe that being highly taxed now is how we pay it forward. The American Way.

If you want to compare the GI Bill, and SS death benefit to $50k a year in free education for kids of parents who make 6 figures that's fine, I'm sorry I don't see the correlation. I never said we shouldn't have a basic safety net. You are confused at best. And no, the American way is not to tax highly compensated people at ridiculous levels. That is called socialism. You ever ask yourself? Where is all this money going? Why are all these social problems that this money was supposed to help continuing to be an issue? The war on poverty? The great society. WE'RE 17 Trillion in debt and no amount of trillions will ever change things. Sorry, try again.

If the recent Duke commit lead his team in points, was ha named an all county player?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 Words

DUKE

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SCANDAL

This might be the stupidest post I have ever seen on these forums. 3 words: Your'e a moron!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.

Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.

Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.

Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.

Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.

Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.

Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.

Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.

Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.

2018 parent here:

What were the best Fall Tournaments for the 2017 group last year? Please rank? Anyone do Quakerfest?

Also, other than Freshman Philly Showcase, what were the best showcases, and why? Thanks in advance.

HHHW Attack was All County as a Freshman.

Stay away from top 205, get into Philly Showcase.

UNC Freshman Camp in January is highly attended.

Just about 100 2017 Boys according to Inside Lacrosse have commits.

Quaker Fest #1
Philly Showcase team #2
Uplax Cottle Legacey all good
SWR best High School only Tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.

Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.

Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.

Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.

Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.

Easy there guy, I'm not faulting or judging the kid or his parents. I am not from the WM community, but I do respect their program. Being runner-up at the National High School Lacrosse Tournament is impressive to me. They played and beat some of the top schools in the country. I think the competition was pretty high there. Some of the other tournaments, not so much but they seemed to play well. I see that a few 2016's and 2017's have already committed from their program. I don't know if these kids played club as well.
You seem to have hostility toward the WM summer program and it may be justified- I don't know. I just asked if this particular boy didn't participate with Patriot Elite at all and just did club instead. I am just curious if that was the case and I respect that it should be his decision to make. I ask not to start anything but just because my kid plays for a WM rival that has a similar summer program and philosophy- you can play club as well but never choose the club over the school program. As far as I know, nobody has done this in our program yet, but I can see it on the horizon. Again congrats to Andrew no matter who he played for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.

Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.

Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.

Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.

Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.

Easy there guy, I'm not faulting or judging the kid or his parents. I am not from the WM community, but I do respect their program. Being runner-up at the National High School Lacrosse Tournament is impressive to me. They played and beat some of the top schools in the country. I think the competition was pretty high there. Some of the other tournaments, not so much but they seemed to play well. I see that a few 2016's and 2017's have already committed from their program. I don't know if these kids played club as well.
You seem to have hostility toward the WM summer program and it may be justified- I don't know. I just asked if this particular boy didn't participate with Patriot Elite at all and just did club instead. I am just curious if that was the case and I respect that it should be his decision to make. I ask not to start anything but just because my kid plays for a WM rival that has a similar summer program and philosophy- you can play club as well but never choose the club over the school program. As far as I know, nobody has done this in our program yet, but I can see it on the horizon. Again congrats to Andrew no matter who he played for.

That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.

Easy there guy, I'm not faulting or judging the kid or his parents. I am not from the WM community, but I do respect their program. Being runner-up at the National High School Lacrosse Tournament is impressive to me. They played and beat some of the top schools in the country. I think the competition was pretty high there. Some of the other tournaments, not so much but they seemed to play well. I see that a few 2016's and 2017's have already committed from their program. I don't know if these kids played club as well.
You seem to have hostility toward the WM summer program and it may be justified- I don't know. I just asked if this particular boy didn't participate with Patriot Elite at all and just did club instead. I am just curious if that was the case and I respect that it should be his decision to make. I ask not to start anything but just because my kid plays for a WM rival that has a similar summer program and philosophy- you can play club as well but never choose the club over the school program. As far as I know, nobody has done this in our program yet, but I can see it on the horizon. Again congrats to Andrew no matter who he played for.

another hater of WM summer program.this kid didnt pick a club over Patriot Elite. He played both. When a conflict arose, he played for school program. This club does a great job of working with kids who have a HS summer team as well. The reference to coercion intimidation ? show proof that this has ever happened? The Patriot Elite Varsity Green team had a great summer, played great competition....and without the 2 raising sr. stars. Basically had no star player but a lot of team players, fun to watch & playing almost 25 games this summer, makes for a exciting 2015 spring varsity season!

That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
lol.

There is no way you can accurately compare summer ball the varsity season. Many players don't play on summer teams for one reason or another. I was there and all the kids my son was looking forward to playing on the top teams were not there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stay away from top 205, get into Philly Showcase.

You make it sound so easy.....second year my son has applied and no dice. He plays for a good club team and we live in a LI powerhouse school program. seems to me they are extremely tight with the spots they give out. Phone calls need to made, etc.....

What was the issue with 205?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.

Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.

Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.

Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.

Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.

Easy there guy, I'm not faulting or judging the kid or his parents. I am not from the WM community, but I do respect their program. Being runner-up at the National High School Lacrosse Tournament is impressive to me. They played and beat some of the top schools in the country. I think the competition was pretty high there. Some of the other tournaments, not so much but they seemed to play well. I see that a few 2016's and 2017's have already committed from their program. I don't know if these kids played club as well.
You seem to have hostility toward the WM summer program and it may be justified- I don't know. I just asked if this particular boy didn't participate with Patriot Elite at all and just did club instead. I am just curious if that was the case and I respect that it should be his decision to make. I ask not to start anything but just because my kid plays for a WM rival that has a similar summer program and philosophy- you can play club as well but never choose the club over the school program. As far as I know, nobody has done this in our program yet, but I can see it on the horizon. Again congrats to Andrew no matter who he played for.

Sorry, thought you were the same guy who took a shot at the Outlaws and the coach. I have no hostility towards the WM Summer Program. I do however feel the need to chime in Vs the contingent of V3 parents who want everyone to do as they say they should do. Also, you brought up the Gold Team but then referenced the Green Team Tournaments. It was a 3V parent who implied that the Outlaws had nothing to do with the recruiting process. The fact is, many Ward Melville boys felt the need to go to an outside club. Why?? Everyone wants to play for Ward Melville during the school year but some realize that there are alternatives during the off season and some play both.

The way that you stated: "I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team." sounded to me that there might be some type of fall out if the boys chose to play for an outside club. Which is why I brought up the coercion and intimidation.

I have not seen the HS coaches at WM punish anyone for playing club.

I guess how impressive the summer was depends upon you define impressive. The fact is that neither team enters the top recruiting tournaments and neither team played the best competition. Good summer for both teams and good for the boys. But, the reality is that many of the boys and their families recognize that The Outlaws and other clubs can help in both the development and recruiting process. Good for the ones who take advantage of the opportunities that are out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
lol.

A total joke. No quality coaches there at all! Many games without a single coach at what was billed as a showcase! Who would plan a tournament like that the same week as UA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the issue with 205?

I keep asking the same question and no one seems to have an answer. I heard last fall the camp was way overcrowded with kids and hardly any college coaches. Its pricey at $400; for that money it better be worth it. Ive been trying to get some feedback but so far no one has come forward with any input.

Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...

And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
lol.

A total joke. No quality coaches there at all! Many games without a single coach at what was billed as a showcase! Who would plan a tournament like that the same week as UA?

Which tournament are you guys talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaw Black A TEAM. Lost to Team 91 Extreme.

It was a combo team, not the A team.

Like a previous poster stated it is about recruiting at this age and playing in competitive tournaments.

Correct on both counts but on the Outlaws A team, there were 35 boys on the roster so when you say combo team, does that mean players on the roster other than the top 15 got playing time? All about exposure. If your son gets a spot on this team, make sure you speak in advance about playing time. The coach is all about winning. If it is a close game, there will be no goalie swith and no attack switch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...

And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.

That is true of all of the kids committed. More than 50% of the public commits on Inside Lacrosse are a year older. Not comlaining, just the reality in the recruiting game at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...

And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.

That is true of all of the kids committed. More than 50% of the public commits on Inside Lacrosse are a year older. Not comlaining, just the reality in the recruiting game at this point.

Not the Long Island D1commits. Looks like just about all of them are ON AGE. Look at FCA team with the Turtle players, or the fl$ attack man he was in Denver also. Need proof of ages for the u15 event that just happened.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...

And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.

That is true of all of the kids committed. More than 50% of the public commits on Inside Lacrosse are a year older. Not comlaining, just the reality in the recruiting game at this point.

How do you know they are older? No birthdays are listed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...

And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.

Where are you getting this data from? Or is this a purely anecdotal statement?

I personally know more than half of the D commits. And all are age appropriate. 2 that I don't know personally are in fact reclassified. (The Long Island D commits are age appropriate as well)

Where is the "good percentage" then? Please elaborate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
lol.

The only people who would consider this a competitive tournament are the parents of boys who have not been to the more competitive tournaments. I don't want to pick on the event but have to challenge those who say it was high caliber tournament. It was not. if you do not want to believe a random poster on this forum go ask "a 2015 or 2016 player" who plays on a top club team who also went to this event. Ask if this was the best competition of the summer. Also ask what events had more college coaches in attendance.

There is no way you can accurately compare summer ball the varsity season. Many players don't play on summer teams for one reason or another. I was there and all the kids my son was looking forward to playing on the top teams were not there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stay away from top 205, get into Philly Showcase.

You make it sound so easy.....second year my son has applied and no dice. He plays for a good club team and we live in a LI powerhouse school program. seems to me they are extremely tight with the spots they give out. Phone calls need to made, etc.....

This is where your Travel organization must help. Placement in the key showcases is important. Nike, Mav Showtime, Philly.

With all the thousand of dollars spent on the private organization they owe you a spot in one of the elite showcases. They might not have the clout now that the pressure is on them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With all the thousand of dollars spent on the private organization they owe you a spot in one of the elite showcases. They might not have the clout now that the pressure is on them?

I'm learning that lesson now... Top two or three players on competitive A team should be able to get into the top showcases. I'm learning some organizations just don't have that clout.

The only people who would consider this a competitive tournament are the parents of boys who have not been to the more competitive tournaments. I don't want to pick on the event but have to challenge those who say it was high caliber tournament. It was not. if you do not want to believe a random poster on this forum go ask "a 2015 or 2016 player" who plays on a top club team who also went to this event. Ask if this was the best competition of the summer. Also ask what events had more college coaches in attendance.

I think there are 2 issues here, was it a competitive tourney & the # of college coaches in attendance. The poster indicated that it was far from a joke from a competition stand point. Many well known HS teams. I was there & saw some great lacrosse! The poster did not say it was the best competition of the summer, & btw, if your saying it wasn't, what was your son's team record at this event? was your kid scoring 5g's a game? As far as the coaches in attendance, way-off...no doubt
cant argue that.

2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

The only people who would consider this a competitive tournament are the parents of boys who have not been to the more competitive tournaments. I don't want to pick on the event but have to challenge those who say it was high caliber tournament. It was not. if you do not want to believe a random poster on this forum go ask "a 2015 or 2016 player" who plays on a top club team who also went to this event. Ask if this was the best competition of the summer. Also ask what events had more college coaches in attendance.

I just went on the National Showcase website looks like a pretty good showing of college coaches....are the program directors fabricating coaches in attendance? interesting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

My son is a 2017 and we just finished up this summer and it is definitely a gauntlet. There are several big time showcases and several second tier showcases you should consider doing. Be realistic about where your son is at or you will wind up wasting a ton of money. If you believe your son is ready to get looked at, start sending out emails to the coaches of the schools your son is interested in.

The list of showcases (IMHO)

Fall:

Philly Showcase. Hard to get in, but well worth it.

Jake Reed Fall showcase. Again, hard to get in.

Winter:

3d Blue Chip. A play in camp for Jake Reed summer.

Spring/Summer:

Adrenaline Black Card. Among the best. First class all the way. Loaded with D1 coaches.

Maverick Showtime. Probably the premier showcase out there right now.

Jake Reed summer. Again, top notch.

Top205: Ive heard mixed reviews, lower D1, upper D2-D3 coaches in attendance.

Blue Chip 225: Lot of upper D3, some top D1. Nicely run camp up at Bryant.

Based on what club team you play for you might be attending some showcase tournaments as well.

Top Tourneys (IMHO)

Crabfeast. Top competition. D1 Coaches everywhere.

Adrenaline Platinum. Great event, D1 coaches everywhere.

fl$ in 3d. Great tourney. Poorly run this year from a parking standpoint but a lot of coaches and top competition.

Im sure Im missing some but this is my list. Word of advice, dont do too much, you will burn him out. Do one or two showcases and whatever tourneys your club team is doing. You have plenty of time, hes only a 2018. Everyone is panicking but the reality is that most kids get recruited going into their junior or senior years.

Good luck and enjoy the journey, you only do it once.

wow that was great info Thank you for taking the time and sharing your experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...

And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.

Where are you getting this data from? Or is this a purely anecdotal statement?

I personally know more than half of the D commits. And all are age appropriate. 2 that I don't know personally are in fact reclassified. (The Long Island D commits are age appropriate as well)

Where is the "good percentage" then? Please elaborate.

There are more than 10 D commits. I realize that the Long Island commits are age appropriate, but they seem to be the only ones. Check out Toplaxrecruits.com and look at the 2017 commits. .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

My son is a 2017 and we just finished up this summer and it is definitely a gauntlet. There are several big time showcases and several second tier showcases you should consider doing. Be realistic about where your son is at or you will wind up wasting a ton of money. If you believe your son is ready to get looked at, start sending out emails to the coaches of the schools your son is interested in.

The list of showcases (IMHO)

Fall:

Philly Showcase. Hard to get in, but well worth it.

Jake Reed Fall showcase. Again, hard to get in.

Winter:

3d Blue Chip. A play in camp for Jake Reed summer.

Spring/Summer:

Adrenaline Black Card. Among the best. First class all the way. Loaded with D1 coaches.

Maverick Showtime. Probably the premier showcase out there right now.

Jake Reed summer. Again, top notch.

Top205: Ive heard mixed reviews, lower D1, upper D2-D3 coaches in attendance.

Blue Chip 225: Lot of upper D3, some top D1. Nicely run camp up at Bryant.

Based on what club team you play for you might be attending some showcase tournaments as well.

Top Tourneys (IMHO)

Crabfeast. Top competition. D1 Coaches everywhere.

Adrenaline Platinum. Great event, D1 coaches everywhere.

fl$ in 3d. Great tourney. Poorly run this year from a parking standpoint but a lot of coaches and top competition.

Im sure Im missing some but this is my list. Word of advice, dont do too much, you will burn him out. Do one or two showcases and whatever tourneys your club team is doing. You have plenty of time, hes only a 2018. Everyone is panicking but the reality is that most kids get recruited going into their junior or senior years.

Good luck and enjoy the journey, you only do it once.

Wow, what a great/thoughtful response. Exactly what this site should be about rather the non-stop bashing and trashing that goes on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

My son is a 2017 and we just finished up this summer and it is definitely a gauntlet. There are several big time showcases and several second tier showcases you should consider doing. Be realistic about where your son is at or you will wind up wasting a ton of money. If you believe your son is ready to get looked at, start sending out emails to the coaches of the schools your son is interested in.

The list of showcases (IMHO)

Fall:

Philly Showcase. Hard to get in, but well worth it.

Jake Reed Fall showcase. Again, hard to get in.

Winter:

3d Blue Chip. A play in camp for Jake Reed summer.

Spring/Summer:

Adrenaline Black Card. Among the best. First class all the way. Loaded with D1 coaches.

Maverick Showtime. Probably the premier showcase out there right now.

Jake Reed summer. Again, top notch.

Top205: Ive heard mixed reviews, lower D1, upper D2-D3 coaches in attendance.

Blue Chip 225: Lot of upper D3, some top D1. Nicely run camp up at Bryant.

Based on what club team you play for you might be attending some showcase tournaments as well.

Top Tourneys (IMHO)

Crabfeast. Top competition. D1 Coaches everywhere.

Adrenaline Platinum. Great event, D1 coaches everywhere.

fl$ in 3d. Great tourney. Poorly run this year from a parking standpoint but a lot of coaches and top competition.

Im sure Im missing some but this is my list. Word of advice, dont do too much, you will burn him out. Do one or two showcases and whatever tourneys your club team is doing. You have plenty of time, hes only a 2018. Everyone is panicking but the reality is that most kids get recruited going into their junior or senior years.

Good luck and enjoy the journey, you only do it once.

Wow, what a great/thoughtful response. Exactly what this site should be about rather the non-stop bashing and trashing that goes on.

Was just going to write the same thing!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

My son is a 2017 and we just finished up this summer and it is definitely a gauntlet. There are several big time showcases and several second tier showcases you should consider doing. Be realistic about where your son is at or you will wind up wasting a ton of money. If you believe your son is ready to get looked at, start sending out emails to the coaches of the schools your son is interested in.

The list of showcases (IMHO)

Fall:

Philly Showcase. Hard to get in, but well worth it.

Jake Reed Fall showcase. Again, hard to get in.

Winter:

3d Blue Chip. A play in camp for Jake Reed summer.

Spring/Summer:

Adrenaline Black Card. Among the best. First class all the way. Loaded with D1 coaches.

Maverick Showtime. Probably the premier showcase out there right now.

Jake Reed summer. Again, top notch.

Top205: Ive heard mixed reviews, lower D1, upper D2-D3 coaches in attendance.

Blue Chip 225: Lot of upper D3, some top D1. Nicely run camp up at Bryant.

Based on what club team you play for you might be attending some showcase tournaments as well.

Top Tourneys (IMHO)

Crabfeast. Top competition. D1 Coaches everywhere.

Adrenaline Platinum. Great event, D1 coaches everywhere.

fl$ in 3d. Great tourney. Poorly run this year from a parking standpoint but a lot of coaches and top competition.

Im sure Im missing some but this is my list. Word of advice, dont do too much, you will burn him out. Do one or two showcases and whatever tourneys your club team is doing. You have plenty of time, hes only a 2018. Everyone is panicking but the reality is that most kids get recruited going into their junior or senior years.

Good luck and enjoy the journey, you only do it once.

Good advice given up there and the order of significance is spot on also.
Just went through it as well and agree about the parking debacle!!

Jake reed going into 9th grade wasn't as attended by D1 coaches as it was for rising sophs this summer.

Philly showcase is the true early indicator. Get into the fab40 all star game and your coach's phone will be ringing off of the hook.

The part about writing letters to coaches is a gray area. Some coaches may read them and most are ambivalent about them. The scouts are out there. They have particular needs and rolls to fill that all end up with great players but their MO of obtaining them and contacting varies greatly.

I was actually told by one very high level D1 coach that he deletes all emails requesting that he come to such and such tournaments to watch s and so player. These guys are and have been analyzing your kid's team already if it's an elite team and are culling out the kids they have an interest in.

Now that the "horror" of recruiting 9th graders has been somewhat desensitized; I imagine that this next group of 9th graders will be even more aggressively pursued.

Beg borrow and or steal and get into the showcases mentioned. Not only your club coach can make recommendations for these (HS, private coaches and friends who know directors....). It can become a "who you know " situation so get on it ASAP.

Bottom line is: if the kid has talent; they will find him sooner or later. There are a lot of spots to fill so don't get overwhelmed. Enjoy watching the games and keep it fun for your kid. They generate their own amount of tension through the process so try not to add to it. Just keep him in the game mentally and enjoy the experience together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

My son is a 2017 and we just finished up this summer and it is definitely a gauntlet. There are several big time showcases and several second tier showcases you should consider doing. Be realistic about where your son is at or you will wind up wasting a ton of money. If you believe your son is ready to get looked at, start sending out emails to the coaches of the schools your son is interested in.

The list of showcases (IMHO)

Fall:

Philly Showcase. Hard to get in, but well worth it.

Jake Reed Fall showcase. Again, hard to get in.

Winter:

3d Blue Chip. A play in camp for Jake Reed summer.

Spring/Summer:

Adrenaline Black Card. Among the best. First class all the way. Loaded with D1 coaches.

Maverick Showtime. Probably the premier showcase out there right now.

Jake Reed summer. Again, top notch.

Top205: Ive heard mixed reviews, lower D1, upper D2-D3 coaches in attendance.

Blue Chip 225: Lot of upper D3, some top D1. Nicely run camp up at Bryant.

Based on what club team you play for you might be attending some showcase tournaments as well.

Top Tourneys (IMHO)

Crabfeast. Top competition. D1 Coaches everywhere.

Adrenaline Platinum. Great event, D1 coaches everywhere.

fl$ in 3d. Great tourney. Poorly run this year from a parking standpoint but a lot of coaches and top competition.

Im sure Im missing some but this is my list. Word of advice, dont do too much, you will burn him out. Do one or two showcases and whatever tourneys your club team is doing. You have plenty of time, hes only a 2018. Everyone is panicking but the reality is that most kids get recruited going into their junior or senior years.

Good luck and enjoy the journey, you only do it once.

Good advice given up there and the order of significance is spot on also.
Just went through it as well and agree about the parking debacle!!

Jake reed going into 9th grade wasn't as attended by D1 coaches as it was for rising sophs this summer.

Philly showcase is the true early indicator. Get into the fab40 all star game and your coach's phone will be ringing off of the hook.

The part about writing letters to coaches is a gray area. Some coaches may read them and most are ambivalent about them. The scouts are out there. They have particular needs and rolls to fill that all end up with great players but their MO of obtaining them and contacting varies greatly.

I was actually told by one very high level D1 coach that he deletes all emails requesting that he come to such and such tournaments to watch s and so player. These guys are and have been analyzing your kid's team already if it's an elite team and are culling out the kids they have an interest in.

Now that the "horror" of recruiting 9th graders has been somewhat desensitized; I imagine that this next group of 9th graders will be even more aggressively pursued.

Beg borrow and or steal and get into the showcases mentioned. Not only your club coach can make recommendations for these (HS, private coaches and friends who know directors....). It can become a "who you know " situation so get on it ASAP.

Bottom line is: if the kid has talent; they will find him sooner or later. There are a lot of spots to fill so don't get overwhelmed. Enjoy watching the games and keep it fun for your kid. They generate their own amount of tension through the process so try not to add to it. Just keep him in the game mentally and enjoy the experience together.

Another great/thoughtful response - what is going on here? Is it a full moon? Exactly what this site should be about. Thank you poster.

My two cents:

As a parent of a 2017 who just went through this summer with the added stress of "getting looked at" I have come to a few conclusions, they may be right or maybe wrong but they are all IMHO:

It seems that a good portion of the kids that are getting recruited are kids that have some connection to the schools they are committing to. IE, parents are alums, sibling attends, etc. Nothing wrong with this of course but it is a factor.

The whole thing seems to be a bit overhyped. As of now there are roughly 100 2017 commits. Id like to see the data on the amount of 2016 kids committed at the same time last year, but I would guess its not far off.

Lot of waste of time money grabs out there. Lot of "prospect days" and "clinics" and "camps" that profess to be showcases. We all know what the real showcases are and unless your son is specifically requested at a college prospect day, save your time and money.

I think the question in my mind is not "can" my son commit, but "should" my son commit. I dont know about most of your 2017's, but mine cant make up his mind what he wants for breakfast, nevermind what college he wants to go to. I think this speaks to where you think your son is at, if you think hes ready to make that sort of life changing decision, then so be it.

My son was at a very well attended college recruiting showcase camp over the summer where he made the all star team. The director of the camp spoke to all the all star kids and told them, and I quote "just relax, go out and have fun, the fact is that 70 percent of college lacrosse players get recruited going into their senior years" I think that speaks for itself.

In closing, to me unless your kid has some connection to the university, or hes a freak of nature, or older and more mature, or he has a great day at a showcase and draws attention, these next two years should be about getting better, getting on the radar of the schools hes interested in and getting ready to make the most important decision of his life.

To all those parents whose 2017 son has committed I say congratulations and best of luck, and to the rest of us wallowing in uncertainty and stress I say enjoy the ride, these are the best times of your life with your son, treasure every minute of it, because before you know it'll be all over.

Really great advice and I'll add my two cents.

I think you have to look at the events you attend with your club team and individual showcases. Our son plays on a good club team, but I would say the club directors make a concerted effort to market certain kids and for the most part those kids wind up making the "all star" games. Now some of those selected absolutely deserved it, but we were always scratching our collective heads about who was getting pushed. Your club may be different, but the interesting thing was that four kids are getting heavily recruited now, and they were seen at events where our club team wasn't involved. So if your club team is like this make sure you play some free agent events where your son has a clear slate so to speak to showcase his abilities.

I keep hearing that Maverik has supplanted Jake Reed and that may very well be the case. That being said, all I think you can ask for is the chance to show yourself, and at the 2017 JR this summer, anybody and everybody was there. In most cases 2-3 coaches per school were there where the one or two would watch and then at half the other ones would rotate over and watch.

Second the comments on the two Philly Showcase events.

I think it pays to be proactive with college coaches. I know it has certainly helped my son. I just think you have to be smart about the timing of your letters.

As far a prospect camps go, I would tell you to call or have your club or high school coach call to see where your son stands. At least in our experience the college coaches have been very candid. It saved us some money in some instances, and allowed us to better target 2-3 schools where there was a lot of interest and they wanted one more up close evaluation before making a decision.

You ever hear the expression "You missed the boat" If you get a few offers then your son needs to make a decision if not those offers disappear because the recruiting budget is only so big if you want money. If money isnt a factor any coach would love to take a player and not pay because he has nothing to lose its win/win. Hopefully the kid is good enough and the coach will pay some down the road, but like I mentioned if money is not a factor you could take as much time as your child needs. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My two cents:

As a parent of a 2017 who just went through this summer with the added stress of "getting looked at" I have come to a few conclusions, they may be right or maybe wrong but they are all IMHO:

It seems that a good portion of the kids that are getting recruited are kids that have some connection to the schools they are committing to. IE, parents are alums, sibling attends, etc. Nothing wrong with this of course but it is a factor.

The whole thing seems to be a bit overhyped. As of now there are roughly 100 2017 commits. Id like to see the data on the amount of 2016 kids committed at the same time last year, but I would guess its not far off.

Lot of waste of time money grabs out there. Lot of "prospect days" and "clinics" and "camps" that profess to be showcases. We all know what the real showcases are and unless your son is specifically requested at a college prospect day, save your time and money.

I think the question in my mind is not "can" my son commit, but "should" my son commit. I dont know about most of your 2017's, but mine cant make up his mind what he wants for breakfast, nevermind what college he wants to go to. I think this speaks to where you think your son is at, if you think hes ready to make that sort of life changing decision, then so be it.

My son was at a very well attended college recruiting showcase camp over the summer where he made the all star team. The director of the camp spoke to all the all star kids and told them, and I quote "just relax, go out and have fun, the fact is that 70 percent of college lacrosse players get recruited going into their senior years" I think that speaks for itself.

In closing, to me unless your kid has some connection to the university, or hes a freak of nature, or older and more mature, or he has a great day at a showcase and draws attention, these next two years should be about getting better, getting on the radar of the schools hes interested in and getting ready to make the most important decision of his life.

To all those parents whose 2017 son has committed I say congratulations and best of luck, and to the rest of us wallowing in uncertainty and stress I say enjoy the ride, these are the best times of your life with your son, treasure every minute of it, because before you know it'll be all over.

So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?

An Ivy doesn't offer any money athletically and if you could afford to send your child there then I would choose that route if he is that smart there is some leeway grade wise but not much & all the schools are in the northeast which makes traveling that much easier to see him play and the job opportunities are endless.

DeCommitting is the next logical trend (on players and coaches sides)....

It will be the natural corrective action to this impossible process of predicting ideal college fits between player vs. program, student vs. university academic standards...

the whole early verbal committment was originally a recruiting tactic to land the next Lebron of Lacrosse... If there are only 5 of the 100 early commits found in the Lebron catagory, everyone (in this forum) who payed attention, would be shocked...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DeCommitting is the next logical trend (on players and coaches sides)....

It will be the natural corrective action to this impossible process of predicting ideal college fits between player vs. program, student vs. university academic standards...

the whole early verbal committment was originally a recruiting tactic to land the next Lebron of Lacrosse... If there are only 5 of the 100 early commits found in the Lebron catagory, everyone (in this forum) who payed attention, would be shocked...

The trend might be about reaching the tipping point... The schools that are waiting just a little longer to recruit seem to be doing better...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?

Oh to have such problems! Life is about choices and these would be some that 99.9% of kids and their parents would kill to have. Very important to keep perspective.....and if UVA v ND v Ivy is the biggest problem in your son's life I can only say relax, count your blessings and be happy.

Maybe you should work in a soup kitchen and give back. Then maybe you will put life into perspective.

basketball does it right... The number 1 ranked player in the nation for the 2015 class is uncommitted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?

Oh to have such problems! Life is about choices and these would be some that 99.9% of kids and their parents would kill to have. Very important to keep perspective.....and if UVA v ND v Ivy is the biggest problem in your son's life I can only say relax, count your blessings and be happy.

check the express thread, several 2017 commits to ivies

how many times can it be said you can not do anything beyond saying you are committing to the application process to an IVYm big difference than getting a likely letter and likely letters do not go out till fall of Senior year, these kids are just sophomores. Admissions makes the decision for IVYs not the coach. If the essay stinks or the interview tanks, or the recs are bad a coach can want this kid but admissions has the final say.

There are tips and slots, the coach can give a slot to one of these kids, BUT if a kids scores are not over the IVY minimum AI, it won't happen.
Obtaining the minimum Academic Index for Harvard is no easy task, and if the kid is fortunate enough to get the SAT/ACT scores,GPA of an unhooked admit, well then the kid got there by his academics and could have gotten in anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?

Decommittimg is going to start happening more and more, on both ends. Kids and colleges should NOT be making these decisions before the end of their Junior/start of their Senior year. I would be curious to see how many of the real early commits end up being happy with their school of choice!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?

Decommittimg is going to start happening more and more, on both ends. Kids and colleges should NOT be making these decisions before the end of their Junior/start of their Senior year. I would be curious to see how many of the real early commits end up being happy with their school of choice!

No school will de-commit. Think about it, if said school de-commits a kid for a better player, why would any top player ever commit to that school again for the foreseeable future? Injury or bad grades, off field issues it can happen, just talent wise? Doubtful. Interestingly, the schools who commit so early are taking all the risk. The kid can do whatever he wants. Many schools are now continuing to recruit committed kids. I believe, over time we will see a pull back on this very early committing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?

Decommittimg is going to start happening more and more, on both ends. Kids and colleges should NOT be making these decisions before the end of their Junior/start of their Senior year. I would be curious to see how many of the real early commits end up being happy with their school of choice!

No school will de-commit. Think about it, if said school de-commits a kid for a better player, why would any top player ever commit to that school again for the foreseeable future? Injury or bad grades, off field issues it can happen, just talent wise? Doubtful. Interestingly, the schools who commit so early are taking all the risk. The kid can do whatever he wants. Many schools are now continuing to recruit committed kids. I believe, over time we will see a pull back on this very early committing.

It is very unlikely that a school will de-commit. More likely, if they see someone else they like better, they will just continue to add to the class list and let the players react. For example, a list of 15 players for the 2017 class at a particular school would tell me that maybe someone may not see some playing time. The players will figure it out and act on their own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?

Decommittimg is going to start happening more and more, on both ends. Kids and colleges should NOT be making these decisions before the end of their Junior/start of their Senior year. I would be curious to see how many of the real early commits end up being happy with their school of choice!

No school will de-commit. Think about it, if said school de-commits a kid for a better player, why would any top player ever commit to that school again for the foreseeable future? Injury or bad grades, off field issues it can happen, just talent wise? Doubtful. Interestingly, the schools who commit so early are taking all the risk. The kid can do whatever he wants. Many schools are now continuing to recruit committed kids. I believe, over time we will see a pull back on this very early committing.

It is very unlikely that a school will de-commit. More likely, if they see someone else they like better, they will just continue to add to the class list and let the players react. For example, a list of 15 players for the 2017 class at a particular school would tell me that maybe someone may not see some playing time. The players will figure it out and act on their own.

This is just another way of de-committing, but in not a blatant way. If this trend of early recruiting continues you will see lots of unhappy players and coaches in the future. I am sorry, you have no idea who is going to be the best 4 years from now, and while players and parents get all excited because a school wants them when they are 14 years old, it really means nothing.

Let's be clear, what is going to happen for the big money grabbers who run the showcases and tourneys that already committed sophomores and juniors stop flocking to? Who is going to purchase film packages if their kids are committed? How will they justify all of this?

I think some of the colleges "decommiting" will be in the form of loss of aid, or inability of the coach to lean on admissions. That way the coach saves face and the parents aren't going to run around telling people Johnny was dropped because he got a crummy SAT, or didn't do well in school.

My kid is pretty close to making a decision, if he does, he will still travel with his club it will be less, our money and his time will be spent on strength and speed coaches (so he gets a chance to get on the field and stays injury free once he starts college) instead of film and hotel rooms at showcase events.

Look at UNC's '17 commits..lots of middies and attack, good number in the '16 class as well..going to be a lot of unhappy kids on the sidelines, but, they are getting a UNC education...take the good with the bad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

going to be a lot of unhappy kids on the sidelines, but, they are getting a UNC education...take the good with the bad

NCAA Investigation
or maybe you are taking the bad with the bad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

going to be a lot of unhappy kids on the sidelines, but, they are getting a UNC education...take the good with the bad

NCAA Investigation
or maybe you are taking the bad with the bad

Ha, good point, I should have said a UNC diploma!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

going to be a lot of unhappy kids on the sidelines, but, they are getting a UNC education...take the good with the bad

NCAA Investigation
or maybe you are taking the bad with the bad

Not going to matter, the NCAA just ceded a tremendous amount of power to the big 5 conferences, they will be writing there own rules going forward. It was either that or the big 5 leaving Div I and creating their own division.

These are some really thoughtful comments, thanks. My son is still in the recruiting process and I think his coach who has a lot of lacrosse credibility said, if you are good enough, the coaches will find a spot and money for you. If not, D3 and have fun...don't stop working. We also know one family whose kid finished his first year on the bench at UVa. I trust what they tell our family, which is coaches will blow up recruiting classes. 15 NLI's in December means that the coaches don't see it for a few early commits...they didn't grow, improve, etc. The scholarship money gets re-shuffled every year. Anyone who believes otherwise is misled. A coach can promise you 50% today and re-evaluate and make 5% later if the kid drops on the depth chart. It can be rough to be a former HS star at a UVa getting $500 a year out of politeness until you decide to accept the bench, quit or transfer. That is a reality few kids will be prepared for, and a reality no proud lacrosse Dads will be ready to accept either. Dial up the college soph kid who just bolted UNC for Towson sometime like my son did...humble pie for lots of IL ranked kids who don't play a lot or at all because they didn't develop. Almost an early commit curse now.

You are wrong about reshuffling money. That depends where they go. My son's scholarship can't go down only up. And we are committed 65% to big 10. You have to ask these questions!

Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!

Scholarships are year to year. Can always be changed. Stop believing everything the coac tells you. They are re-evaluated on a yearly basis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These are some really thoughtful comments, thanks. My son is still in the recruiting process and I think his coach who has a lot of lacrosse credibility said, if you are good enough, the coaches will find a spot and money for you. If not, D3 and have fun...don't stop working. We also know one family whose kid finished his first year on the bench at UVa. I trust what they tell our family, which is coaches will blow up recruiting classes. 15 NLI's in December means that the coaches don't see it for a few early commits...they didn't grow, improve, etc. The scholarship money gets re-shuffled every year. Anyone who believes otherwise is misled. A coach can promise you 50% today and re-evaluate and make 5% later if the kid drops on the depth chart. It can be rough to be a former HS star at a UVa getting $500 a year out of politeness until you decide to accept the bench, quit or transfer. That is a reality few kids will be prepared for, and a reality no proud lacrosse Dads will be ready to accept either. Dial up the college soph kid who just bolted UNC for Towson sometime like my son did...humble pie for lots of IL ranked kids who don't play a lot or at all because they didn't develop. Almost an early commit curse now.

I agree, this early commit stuff is going to be a curse in the long run, trust me, if a kid is a junior or senior and they are a star (even though they were nothing in 8th/9th grade) they will surely end up on a great team and beat out early commits that fizzled out! No one knows what will happen until you get on campus and prove yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scholarships are year to year. Can always be changed. Stop believing everything the coac tells you. They are re-evaluated on a yearly basis.

That might just be one of the dumbest comments yet, "Stop believing what your coach tells you??" Every program works a little different, you need to listen carefully. I know what was told to my son, you may have a different agreement, but my son's scholarship will not change as long as he follows the rules, attend practice, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These are some really thoughtful comments, thanks. My son is still in the recruiting process and I think his coach who has a lot of lacrosse credibility said, if you are good enough, the coaches will find a spot and money for you. If not, D3 and have fun...don't stop working. We also know one family whose kid finished his first year on the bench at UVa. I trust what they tell our family, which is coaches will blow up recruiting classes. 15 NLI's in December means that the coaches don't see it for a few early commits...they didn't grow, improve, etc. The scholarship money gets re-shuffled every year. Anyone who believes otherwise is misled. A coach can promise you 50% today and re-evaluate and make 5% later if the kid drops on the depth chart. It can be rough to be a former HS star at a UVa getting $500 a year out of politeness until you decide to accept the bench, quit or transfer. That is a reality few kids will be prepared for, and a reality no proud lacrosse Dads will be ready to accept either. Dial up the college soph kid who just bolted UNC for Towson sometime like my son did...humble pie for lots of IL ranked kids who don't play a lot or at all because they didn't develop. Almost an early commit curse now.

I agree, this early commit stuff is going to be a curse in the long run, trust me, if a kid is a junior or senior and they are a star (even though they were nothing in 8th/9th grade) they will surely end up on a great team and beat out early commits that fizzled out! No one knows what will happen until you get on campus and prove yourself.

Are we STILL saying "early commits" are BAD on a now SOPH thread?? 8 months ago wants it topic back. All of you that come on here and KNOCK "early commits" are either not recruited yet OR not in recruiting process yet (there is a difference!!)

ANYONE of you would JUMP if your kid was offered the chance to sit down in a D1 coaches office and discuss the chance for your son to got a slot on a given 2017 class slot for a D1 program. As far as 8 months ago, you would've JUMPED than also. Loads of envy & bitterness here from several of you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scholarships are year to year. Can always be changed. Stop believing everything the coac tells you. They are re-evaluated on a yearly basis.

That might just be one of the dumbest comments yet, "Stop believing what your coach tells you??" Every program works a little different, you need to listen carefully. I know what was told to my son, you may have a different agreement, but my son's scholarship will not change as long as he follows the rules, attend practice, etc.

Whatever isn't in writing, was never said. Know an ACC recruit who after his freshman year was told by the coach "we can't use you anymore". BYE. IL highly ranked kid... The coach by the way is known as "a really good guy"... I wish everyone all the best, point is, keep your eyes wide open. It's a business folks.

Dumb statement?? Are you serious? You don't think the coach is going to tell you exactly what YOU want to hear. Your sons scholarship is renewed on a yearly basis. If the coach feels someone else is deserving, that kid will get the money. You are delusional if you think because the coach told you so your sons scholarship is safe. That is not the way it works. No matter what the coach says. Just asking: what if the kid gets there and is in way over his head lax wise, do you really think the coach is going to keep his scholarship intact? No he won't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dumb statement?? Are you serious? You don't think the coach is going to tell you exactly what YOU want to hear. Your sons scholarship is renewed on a yearly basis. If the coach feels someone else is deserving, that kid will get the money. You are delusional if you think because the coach told you so your sons scholarship is safe. That is not the way it works. No matter what the coach says. Just asking: what if the kid gets there and is in way over his head lax wise, do you really think the coach is going to keep his scholarship intact? No he won't.

All I know is that what was said to us was very clear. My son is a kid who committed very early and is now much better that when he was being recruited, and getting better offers, who knows we may even ask for more or decommit. Everything will be in writing before anything is signed, I'm not at all concerned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!

A Turtle?

The only sports where money is not re-shuffled every year is football and basketball. In every other sport there are not full scholarships for everyone. When coach promises your 15 year old and you something, it is always subject to change later. Today he may see the kid as a four year starter, as a HS senior that evaluation can change. What leverage do you as a parent have then? Dial up other progams that are full looking for a new deal? If some walk on showed up and made All-ACC you think coach is stuck because he told some other kid as a 15 year old he was 65%? Dream on. You whack the kid who sits down and take care of the players who are producing on the field.

A lacrosse Dad's leverage to "listen for better offers" for his committed 2017 -- besides being sleazy -- runs out when the spots are gone. I respect Starsia a lot. You get a spot now, you get a money indication now and he is transparent that the money is finalized later when they are seniors in HS. Sure beats lying to kids saying it is a four year deal. It is a four year deal if yiu don't suck, then it is a one year. I also question your intrinsic trust of what coaches tell you...the same coaches who are recruiting their rival's commits while having a full 2017 class already. Golly, if Petro picks off somebody else's #1, is it free or is he going to pull some from a kid committed to him already who he rates less now? If any of this hits a nerve, get real pal or get sad later.

All I know is that what was said to us was very clear. My son is a kid who committed very early and is now much better that when he was being recruited, and getting better offers, who knows we may even ask for more or decommit. Everything will be in writing before anything is signed, I'm not at all concerned. [/quote]

Dude, let me speak from first hand experience. The law of the jungle is you fight to see the field and to keep your money. My favorite day of the season was the first day when the freshman would come to the first practice and leave stunned that the nicest guy who was going to be their coach turned into someone rough who didn't care about them anymore and only wanted performance on the field.

What do you think the same coach who promised your deal said to the last three kids who commit with no money and just an admissions spot. Come here, kick some [lacrosse], start and make All America and remain a walk on for four years? Other kids as your son's position beat him down to 3rd or 4th string and NO, he does not sit there for 4 years with the money. Invest in some tissue for those tears coming soon if you believe otherwise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!

A Turtle?

NO

I raised this point on the Back of THE NET, and I will raise it here.

The poster above has touched on a point referencing Football and Basketball.

From the college and university point of view, neither lacrosse or soccer are revenue producers.

Duke has been mentioned here often. Agreed that Duke is a great school with an alumni and networking second to none. They make their money with their basketball program, as does most schools. USC and others make a ton of money from football. The common denomination between these two sports vs. Lax, soccer, track, etc., is corporate sponsorships and TV revenue.

USC gets 14+ million if they make the Rose Bowl for just TV rights. Other bowl games and Saturday College Football put some serious coin into a school's treasury. The Final Four the same. Add all the merchandising and other income streams and it's no wonder that the Northwestern University Football Team wants to be considered employees and share in the profits they generate.

The scholarships are out there, but academic scholarships are plentiful and easier to obtain.

I told my two girls to make sure they did a killer essay when handing in their applications. I would suggest the same to your child.

Father of Northwestern University, 2003 & Duke University, 2006 graduates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only sports where money is not re-shuffled every year is football and basketball. In every other sport there are not full scholarships for everyone. When coach promises your 15 year old and you something, it is always subject to change later. Today he may see the kid as a four year starter, as a HS senior that evaluation can change. What leverage do you as a parent have then? Dial up other progams that are full looking for a new deal? If some walk on showed up and made All-ACC you think coach is stuck because he told some other kid as a 15 year old he was 65%? Dream on. You whack the kid who sits down and take care of the players who are producing on the field.

A lacrosse Dad's leverage to "listen for better offers" for his committed 2017 -- besides being sleazy -- runs out when the spots are gone. I respect Starsia a lot. You get a spot now, you get a money indication now and he is transparent that the money is finalized later when they are seniors in HS. Sure beats lying to kids saying it is a four year deal. It is a four year deal if yiu don't suck, then it is a one year. I also question your intrinsic trust of what coaches tell you...the same coaches who are recruiting their rival's commits while having a full 2017 class already. Golly, if Petro picks off somebody else's #1, is it free or is he going to pull some from a kid committed to him already who he rates less now? If any of this hits a nerve, get real pal or get sad later.

As I said, the conditions of the scholarship were made very clear. I'm sorry if you don't want to accept it. I know other kids in this program now and they are getting exactly what they were promised. one will be a jr, the other a senior. In fact one is getting more than the original agreed amt. The other kid who doesn't play much is still getting the original very nice scholarship. This is one of the things we considered when accepting the offer. I am fully aware that all programs work a little differently, we went wirh a coach who ddoes what he says, pal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!

A Turtle?

No,91. Class currently has 5 2017 committs, program has 10 top D1 committs.

I am a 2012 graduate of an ACC school where I played for 2 years and decided to drop lacrosse to focus on grades. I was playing middie, but mostly as wing on face-offs and some SSDM and not two ways like I expected when being recruited. I don't have any regrets to have gone and played some and finished my degree. After both my first and my second year I had the year end player meeting with coach and was asked to take less money the next year. It didn't get to a point where I threatened to leave because I liked my choice of college, but would have it I faught it. I thought my coaches handled that professionally and were private about it. Nobody else knew your deal or new deal unless you talked about it. The coaches never would do that and treat this like a business. My advice is like Mr. Miller's. Love your school and not your deal and you will be a lot better off than hoping everything promised to you in high school works out. I had a team mate win the Tewaaraton and NO he did not get more than 50% until his last year when he went to 75%, and I only know that because we were roomies and he trusted us to know. It is not all good if you show up and don't do a lot on a 40% to 70% initial deal. It happened to me and be humble, it can happen to your son too. The good news is he won't be kicked out of a good school and can get a degree thanks to lacrosse helping. Be a little humble lax Dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a 2012 graduate of an ACC school where I played for 2 years and decided to drop lacrosse to focus on grades. I was playing middie, but mostly as wing on face-offs and some SSDM and not two ways like I expected when being recruited. I don't have any regrets to have gone and played some and finished my degree. After both my first and my second year I had the year end player meeting with coach and was asked to take less money the next year. It didn't get to a point where I threatened to leave because I liked my choice of college, but would have it I faught it. I thought my coaches handled that professionally and were private about it. Nobody else knew your deal or new deal unless you talked about it. The coaches never would do that and treat this like a business. My advice is like Mr. Miller's. Love your school and not your deal and you will be a lot better off than hoping everything promised to you in high school works out. I had a team mate win the Tewaaraton and NO he did not get more than 50% until his last year when he went to 75%, and I only know that because we were roomies and he trusted us to know. It is not all good if you show up and don't do a lot on a 40% to 70% initial deal. It happened to me and be humble, it can happen to your son too. The good news is he won't be kicked out of a good school and can get a degree thanks to lacrosse helping. Be a little humble lax Dad.

Great post and excellent perspective from someone who's lived it.
One question: Are you saying it is or isn't a business?

IMHO, the coach feeds his family, pays his mortgage and saves for his kids college education off the salary he receives from Lacrosse. I believe if you keep this in mind, you'll know the kinds of decisions these guys will make. It is crystal clear in my mind that they will do what is best for the team (business) at the expense of, or to the detriment of mine or anyone else's kid, every single time. Might seem cold, but how can you think of it any other way?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a 2012 graduate of an ACC school where I played for 2 years and decided to drop lacrosse to focus on grades. I was playing middie, but mostly as wing on face-offs and some SSDM and not two ways like I expected when being recruited. I don't have any regrets to have gone and played some and finished my degree. After both my first and my second year I had the year end player meeting with coach and was asked to take less money the next year. It didn't get to a point where I threatened to leave because I liked my choice of college, but would have it I faught it. I thought my coaches handled that professionally and were private about it. Nobody else knew your deal or new deal unless you talked about it. The coaches never would do that and treat this like a business. My advice is like Mr. Miller's. Love your school and not your deal and you will be a lot better off than hoping everything promised to you in high school works out. I had a team mate win the Tewaaraton and NO he did not get more than 50% until his last year when he went to 75%, and I only know that because we were roomies and he trusted us to know. It is not all good if you show up and don't do a lot on a 40% to 70% initial deal. It happened to me and be humble, it can happen to your son too. The good news is he won't be kicked out of a good school and can get a degree thanks to lacrosse helping. Be a little humble lax Dad.

Great post and excellent perspective from someone who's lived it.
One question: Are you saying it is or isn't a business?

IMHO, the coach feeds his family, pays his mortgage and saves for his kids college education off the salary he receives from Lacrosse. I believe if you keep this in mind, you'll know the kinds of decisions these guys will make. It is crystal clear in my mind that they will do what is best for the team (business) at the expense of, or to the detriment of mine or anyone else's kid, every single time. Might seem cold, but how can you think of it any other way?

So then, what exactly is the commitment for if according to you the agreement can change on a whim?
What you are describing is the exception, not the rule

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!

A Turtle?

what are you saying program is "on fire"? 91 or ST East?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a 2012 graduate of an ACC school where I played for 2 years and decided to drop lacrosse to focus on grades. I was playing middie, but mostly as wing on face-offs and some SSDM and not two ways like I expected when being recruited. I don't have any regrets to have gone and played some and finished my degree. After both my first and my second year I had the year end player meeting with coach and was asked to take less money the next year. It didn't get to a point where I threatened to leave because I liked my choice of college, but would have it I faught it. I thought my coaches handled that professionally and were private about it. Nobody else knew your deal or new deal unless you talked about it. The coaches never would do that and treat this like a business. My advice is like Mr. Miller's. Love your school and not your deal and you will be a lot better off than hoping everything promised to you in high school works out. I had a team mate win the Tewaaraton and NO he did not get more than 50% until his last year when he went to 75%, and I only know that because we were roomies and he trusted us to know. It is not all good if you show up and don't do a lot on a 40% to 70% initial deal. It happened to me and be humble, it can happen to your son too. The good news is he won't be kicked out of a good school and can get a degree thanks to lacrosse helping. Be a little humble lax Dad.

Great post and excellent perspective from someone who's lived it.
One question: Are you saying it is or isn't a business?

IMHO, the coach feeds his family, pays his mortgage and saves for his kids college education off the salary he receives from Lacrosse. I believe if you keep this in mind, you'll know the kinds of decisions these guys will make. It is crystal clear in my mind that they will do what is best for the team (business) at the expense of, or to the detriment of mine or anyone else's kid, every single time. Might seem cold, but how can you think of it any other way?

So then, what exactly is the commitment for if according to you the agreement can change on a whim?
What you are describing is the exception, not the rule

An excellent comment from the kid. I read that to mean this kid was part of ACC Lacrosse, Inc. and it is a business for the coaches. Last time I checked nothing is a commitment on either side until an NLI is signed senior year, and that is for one year. Doesn't sound cold to me at all. If some kid shows up and performs better than the kids promised more money as high schoolers, you have to take care of him. A coach who doesn't do that is out of a job soon.

http://chat.virginia.sportswar.com/message_board/lacrosse/2014/August/10/5291695.php

a buddy emailed this to me. interesting twist.

Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could �[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.�

I think many of these comments are coming from jealous parents of kids getting no interest. With the exception of the "poster" Every lax scholarship kid I have talked to, the starters as well as the bench warmers, have kept the scholarships they were offered. Be happy for the hardworking kids and stop trying to look for a way to minimize their accomplishments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could �[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.�

So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could �[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.�

So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.

Actually, no, I am a former college coach (who left college coaching because I wanted to raise a family and I didn't feel the lifestyle of a coach would work for my family). My sons are younger, but I will not have them commit early because I just am not comfortable with that. If a program really wants them, they will wait. If not, it wasn't the right fit. I just don't think this early committing is good for either end, players or coaches. Unfortunately, programs started it, and other progrms felt pressured to jump on the bandwagon. When you are late in your junior year (for a spring sport) it is time to make a serious desision about a college and a program, not sooner. Let's pretend you are a goalie and you really want to play, but the program you are interested in (and they are also interested in you) has a starting goalie who is a freshmen, would you want to go there? Probably not, but if there starting goalie is a junior, then yes, it would be a good fit. I realize a goalie is a special position, but you get the idea. I don't know how you decide what team you want to be part of, then the team (if you are being recruited as a 9th grader) won't even be there when you arrive on campus. Now, let's talk picking a school as a 14 year old, how is that possible? You barely know what you want as a 17 year old, but these are big decisions to make and I just think you are too young to have any clue what you really want as an 18 year old. Heck, the kid may decide they don't even want to make that commitment to play a sport! So, my kids will wait to decide and the coaches that respect that decision, will have a chance of getting them, those that don't, well, it wasn't meant to be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could �[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.�

So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.

Actually, no, I am a former college coach (who left college coaching because I wanted to raise a family and I didn't feel the lifestyle of a coach would work for my family). My sons are younger, but I will not have them commit early because I just am not comfortable with that. If a program really wants them, they will wait. If not, it wasn't the right fit. I just don't think this early committing is good for either end, players or coaches. Unfortunately, programs started it, and other progrms felt pressured to jump on the bandwagon. When you are late in your junior year (for a spring sport) it is time to make a serious desision about a college and a program, not sooner. Let's pretend you are a goalie and you really want to play, but the program you are interested in (and they are also interested in you) has a starting goalie who is a freshmen, would you want to go there? Probably not, but if there starting goalie is a junior, then yes, it would be a good fit. I realize a goalie is a special position, but you get the idea. I don't know how you decide what team you want to be part of, then the team (if you are being recruited as a 9th grader) won't even be there when you arrive on campus. Now, let's talk picking a school as a 14 year old, how is that possible? You barely know what you want as a 17 year old, but these are big decisions to make and I just think you are too young to have any clue what you really want as an 18 year old. Heck, the kid may decide they don't even want to make that commitment to play a sport! So, my kids will wait to decide and the coaches that respect that decision, will have a chance of getting them, those that don't, well, it wasn't meant to be.

Oh please!! You're telling me that if a Duke or Harvard or notre Dame call and want your son, you're gonna say NO!! Have you lost your mind??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could �[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.�

So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.

Actually, no, I am a former college coach (who left college coaching because I wanted to raise a family and I didn't feel the lifestyle of a coach would work for my family). My sons are younger, but I will not have them commit early because I just am not comfortable with that. If a program really wants them, they will wait. If not, it wasn't the right fit. I just don't think this early committing is good for either end, players or coaches. Unfortunately, programs started it, and other progrms felt pressured to jump on the bandwagon. When you are late in your junior year (for a spring sport) it is time to make a serious desision about a college and a program, not sooner. Let's pretend you are a goalie and you really want to play, but the program you are interested in (and they are also interested in you) has a starting goalie who is a freshmen, would you want to go there? Probably not, but if there starting goalie is a junior, then yes, it would be a good fit. I realize a goalie is a special position, but you get the idea. I don't know how you decide what team you want to be part of, then the team (if you are being recruited as a 9th grader) won't even be there when you arrive on campus. Now, let's talk picking a school as a 14 year old, how is that possible? You barely know what you want as a 17 year old, but these are big decisions to make and I just think you are too young to have any clue what you really want as an 18 year old. Heck, the kid may decide they don't even want to make that commitment to play a sport! So, my kids will wait to decide and the coaches that respect that decision, will have a chance of getting them, those that don't, well, it wasn't meant to be.

Oh please!! You're telling me that if a Duke or Harvard or notre Dame call and want your son, you're gonna say NO!! Have you lost your mind??

I wouldn't put ND in there with Duke and Harvard

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could �[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.�

So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.

Actually, no, I am a former college coach (who left college coaching because I wanted to raise a family and I didn't feel the lifestyle of a coach would work for my family). My sons are younger, but I will not have them commit early because I just am not comfortable with that. If a program really wants them, they will wait. If not, it wasn't the right fit. I just don't think this early committing is good for either end, players or coaches. Unfortunately, programs started it, and other progrms felt pressured to jump on the bandwagon. When you are late in your junior year (for a spring sport) it is time to make a serious desision about a college and a program, not sooner. Let's pretend you are a goalie and you really want to play, but the program you are interested in (and they are also interested in you) has a starting goalie who is a freshmen, would you want to go there? Probably not, but if there starting goalie is a junior, then yes, it would be a good fit. I realize a goalie is a special position, but you get the idea. I don't know how you decide what team you want to be part of, then the team (if you are being recruited as a 9th grader) won't even be there when you arrive on campus. Now, let's talk picking a school as a 14 year old, how is that possible? You barely know what you want as a 17 year old, but these are big decisions to make and I just think you are too young to have any clue what you really want as an 18 year old. Heck, the kid may decide they don't even want to make that commitment to play a sport! So, my kids will wait to decide and the coaches that respect that decision, will have a chance of getting them, those that don't, well, it wasn't meant to be.

I don't think it is fair to assume every "14 year old" is NOT prepared to make mature decisions...every kid is different. Kids mature at different paces. I also don't think its fair to expect all parents & players to think they way you do, no matter if you were a ncaa coach or not. I respect everything you are saying g in your post, but please respect others actions in regards to verbal to a D1 program early.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could �[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.�

So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.

Actually, no, I am a former college coach (who left college coaching because I wanted to raise a family and I didn't feel the lifestyle of a coach would work for my family). My sons are younger, but I will not have them commit early because I just am not comfortable with that. If a program really wants them, they will wait. If not, it wasn't the right fit. I just don't think this early committing is good for either end, players or coaches. Unfortunately, programs started it, and other progrms felt pressured to jump on the bandwagon. When you are late in your junior year (for a spring sport) it is time to make a serious desision about a college and a program, not sooner. Let's pretend you are a goalie and you really want to play, but the program you are interested in (and they are also interested in you) has a starting goalie who is a freshmen, would you want to go there? Probably not, but if there starting goalie is a junior, then yes, it would be a good fit. I realize a goalie is a special position, but you get the idea. I don't know how you decide what team you want to be part of, then the team (if you are being recruited as a 9th grader) won't even be there when you arrive on campus. Now, let's talk picking a school as a 14 year old, how is that possible? You barely know what you want as a 17 year old, but these are big decisions to make and I just think you are too young to have any clue what you really want as an 18 year old. Heck, the kid may decide they don't even want to make that commitment to play a sport! So, my kids will wait to decide and the coaches that respect that decision, will have a chance of getting them, those that don't, well, it wasn't meant to be.

Oh please!! You're telling me that if a Duke or Harvard or notre Dame call and want your son, you're gonna say NO!! Have you lost your mind??

Correct. And its not just those 3 great schools & lax programs. Take a look at just the email the express sent on those 14 or 15 commits in 2017 class from their club, all GREAT SCHOOLS & legit D1 lacrosse. Very impressive list, congrats to those boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could �[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.�

So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.

Actually, no, I am a former college coach (who left college coaching because I wanted to raise a family and I didn't feel the lifestyle of a coach would work for my family). My sons are younger, but I will not have them commit early because I just am not comfortable with that. If a program really wants them, they will wait. If not, it wasn't the right fit. I just don't think this early committing is good for either end, players or coaches. Unfortunately, programs started it, and other progrms felt pressured to jump on the bandwagon. When you are late in your junior year (for a spring sport) it is time to make a serious desision about a college and a program, not sooner. Let's pretend you are a goalie and you really want to play, but the program you are interested in (and they are also interested in you) has a starting goalie who is a freshmen, would you want to go there? Probably not, but if there starting goalie is a junior, then yes, it would be a good fit. I realize a goalie is a special position, but you get the idea. I don't know how you decide what team you want to be part of, then the team (if you are being recruited as a 9th grader) won't even be there when you arrive on campus. Now, let's talk picking a school as a 14 year old, how is that possible? You barely know what you want as a 17 year old, but these are big decisions to make and I just think you are too young to have any clue what you really want as an 18 year old. Heck, the kid may decide they don't even want to make that commitment to play a sport! So, my kids will wait to decide and the coaches that respect that decision, will have a chance of getting them, those that don't, well, it wasn't meant to be.

Oh please!! You're telling me that if a Duke or Harvard or notre Dame call and want your son, you're gonna say NO!! Have you lost your mind??

I wouldn't put ND in there with Duke and Harvard

Get off your high horse. Your one of those "if it isn't an Ivy or Duke, it sucks". Give it a rest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its not the exception it is the rule. What happens to any commit if the coach is let go before the kid starts? The new coach has his own agenda and your kid may not be one of them. Read about David Sills the USC early commit for football., he committed in 8th grade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sills_(American_football)

Currently Penn state football scholarships offered by Bill Obrien may not be honored by the new head coach from Vandy. Its a business, treat it as such.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...nked_after_one_year_for_any_reason_.html

According to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some schools opposed multiyear scholarships because they could �[reduce] the flexibility of a new coach to get rid of players who didn't fit his style.�

So ALL these links/reports about the disasters of early committing, is this the venting process you people have because your kids aren't on the radar of being a D1 commit?? Any of us that our kids are already committed aren't posting this stuff.

When your son is REALLY being recruited by a school you are WELL AWARE of the risk. You are also aware that the same risk a H.S freshman has with early committing is the exact same risk a H.S. Jr. has!!! Coaches being fired or coaches quitting or your sons grades start to flop etc. Its actually TOUGHER if you lose a spot at a JR or SR as opposed to a freshman, because those spots when your older are already filled.

FACT: if your son had the chance to early commit to a great school with a legit D1 lacrosse program, you would embrace it also.

Actually, no, I am a former college coach (who left college coaching because I wanted to raise a family and I didn't feel the lifestyle of a coach would work for my family). My sons are younger, but I will not have them commit early because I just am not comfortable with that. If a program really wants them, they will wait. If not, it wasn't the right fit. I just don't think this early committing is good for either end, players or coaches. Unfortunately, programs started it, and other progrms felt pressured to jump on the bandwagon. When you are late in your junior year (for a spring sport) it is time to make a serious desision about a college and a program, not sooner. Let's pretend you are a goalie and you really want to play, but the program you are interested in (and they are also interested in you) has a starting goalie who is a freshmen, would you want to go there? Probably not, but if there starting goalie is a junior, then yes, it would be a good fit. I realize a goalie is a special position, but you get the idea. I don't know how you decide what team you want to be part of, then the team (if you are being recruited as a 9th grader) won't even be there when you arrive on campus. Now, let's talk picking a school as a 14 year old, how is that possible? You barely know what you want as a 17 year old, but these are big decisions to make and I just think you are too young to have any clue what you really want as an 18 year old. Heck, the kid may decide they don't even want to make that commitment to play a sport! So, my kids will wait to decide and the coaches that respect that decision, will have a chance of getting them, those that don't, well, it wasn't meant to be.

Oh please!! You're telling me that if a Duke or Harvard or notre Dame call and want your son, you're gonna say NO!! Have you lost your mind??

I wouldn't put ND in there with Duke and Harvard

Get off your high horse. Your one of those "if it isn't an Ivy or Duke, it sucks". Give it a rest.

Wouldn't put Duke with Harvard either.

Valid point, just look at the college rankings in US News/WR Harvard is tied with Princeton for #1 while Duke comes in at 7. ND much further down at 18, but still much better than Maryland and Syracuse tied at 62, not even in top 50. Other big lax destinations UNC at 30, Michigan 28, Penn State 37, Virginia 23, Hopkins 12. All good schools, but Harvard clearly is tops!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Valid point, just look at the college rankings in US News/WR Harvard is tied with Princeton for #1 while Duke comes in at 7. ND much further down at 18, but still much better than Maryland and Syracuse tied at 62, not even in top 50. Other big lax destinations UNC at 30, Michigan 28, Penn State 37, Virginia 23, Hopkins 12. All good schools, but Harvard clearly is tops!

Your splitting hairs. Ranking of the school is important but you have to look at graduation rate & acceptance rate also.

I am absolutely serious, if any school calls as a freshman we will visit, but my kids will not commit ANYWHERE until the end of their junior year (at the earliest). Because then I will be comfortable with the decision and I will feel like they will be going somewhere that will be a good fit. Before that it is too risky. And trust me, if your kid is good enough, they will wait. Because, if they are not, an early commitment would be a REALLY bad idea. This, but the class will be filled crap is nothing but a scare tactic, they will make room for a kid that they want (even if that mean bumping little Johnny that "committed" when he was 12!
Been there, done that, trust me!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am absolutely serious, if any school calls as a freshman we will visit, but my kids will not commit ANYWHERE until the end of their junior year (at the earliest). Because then I will be comfortable with the decision and I will feel like they will be going somewhere that will be a good fit. Before that it is too risky. And trust me, if your kid is good enough, they will wait. Because, if they are not, an early commitment would be a REALLY bad idea. This, but the class will be filled crap is nothing but a scare tactic, they will make room for a kid that they want (even if that mean bumping little Johnny that "committed" when he was 12!
Been there, done that, trust me!

So true. Verbal commits are no binding legally. You as well as the school have the ability to change your mind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am absolutely serious, if any school calls as a freshman we will visit, but my kids will not commit ANYWHERE until the end of their junior year (at the earliest). Because then I will be comfortable with the decision and I will feel like they will be going somewhere that will be a good fit. Before that it is too risky. And trust me, if your kid is good enough, they will wait. Because, if they are not, an early commitment would be a REALLY bad idea. This, but the class will be filled crap is nothing but a scare tactic, they will make room for a kid that they want (even if that mean bumping little Johnny that "committed" when he was 12!
Been there, done that, trust me!

So true. Verbal commits are no binding legally. You as well as the school have the ability to change your mind.

Says the dad whose kid has no interest, stop being jealous, it's unbecoming. Commitments are real sorry you don't have one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am absolutely serious, if any school calls as a freshman we will visit, but my kids will not commit ANYWHERE until the end of their junior year (at the earliest). Because then I will be comfortable with the decision and I will feel like they will be going somewhere that will be a good fit. Before that it is too risky. And trust me, if your kid is good enough, they will wait. Because, if they are not, an early commitment would be a REALLY bad idea. This, but the class will be filled crap is nothing but a scare tactic, they will make room for a kid that they want (even if that mean bumping little Johnny that "committed" when he was 12!
Been there, done that, trust me!

I hope it works out well. I have three sons, what I thought when they were toddlers and what I think now are very, very different.

I can imagine the family atmosphere if the coach at Harvard makes an offer at 15 and Daddy insists junior passes until he is a junior. I'm sure Johnny will continue to be so talented as a junior he will have his pick of the rest, but if his heart was set on Harvard�there could be some bitterness later on if he ends up at his #10 choice because other very talented kids were willing to jump the gun.

On one hand I completely agree that recruiting so early is completely insane. On the other hand, nothing is guaranteed in this world, and at some point kids need to make their own decisions. I would never push my kid to commit to a school even if I thought it was the opportunity of a lifetime, but I would not prevent them from doing so either. Would I like to turn back the clock and have this all occur late Junior or early senior year, absolutely! I'd also love it if popular music wasn't so graphic, but I am not going to be successful limiting my kid' iPods to music by Pat Boone.

I have prepared my son with the possibilities, that he could be dropped, he could get better offers, or that he could go and never step his foot on the field. He understands that all those scenarios are beyond his control, he is focused on academic opportunity and his future not lacrosse.

Says the dad whose kid has no interest, stop being jealous, it's unbecoming. Commitments are real sorry you don't have one. [/quote]

Don't be silly yourself, they are real, but they are like an engagement, your kid isn't married yet and sometimes engagements are broken, even when both parties enter into them with the most sincere intentions. It doesn't mean you shouldn't get engaged, but the deal has not been sealed. The longer the engagement the greater the chance someone will get cold feet.

And the first 2018 comits to Hopkins!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am absolutely serious, if any school calls as a freshman we will visit, but my kids will not commit ANYWHERE until the end of their junior year (at the earliest). Because then I will be comfortable with the decision and I will feel like they will be going somewhere that will be a good fit. Before that it is too risky. And trust me, if your kid is good enough, they will wait. Because, if they are not, an early commitment would be a REALLY bad idea. This, but the class will be filled crap is nothing but a scare tactic, they will make room for a kid that they want (even if that mean bumping little Johnny that "committed" when he was 12!
Been there, done that, trust me!

I hope it works out well. I have three sons, what I thought when they were toddlers and what I think now are very, very different.

I can imagine the family atmosphere if the coach at Harvard makes an offer at 15 and Daddy insists junior passes until he is a junior. I'm sure Johnny will continue to be so talented as a junior he will have his pick of the rest, but if his heart was set on Harvard�there could be some bitterness later on if he ends up at his #10 choice because other very talented kids were willing to jump the gun.

On one hand I completely agree that recruiting so early is completely insane. On the other hand, nothing is guaranteed in this world, and at some point kids need to make their own decisions. I would never push my kid to commit to a school even if I thought it was the opportunity of a lifetime, but I would not prevent them from doing so either. Would I like to turn back the clock and have this all occur late Junior or early senior year, absolutely! I'd also love it if popular music wasn't so graphic, but I am not going to be successful limiting my kid' iPods to music by Pat Boone.

I have prepared my son with the possibilities, that he could be dropped, he could get better offers, or that he could go and never step his foot on the field. He understands that all those scenarios are beyond his control, he is focused on academic opportunity and his future not lacrosse.

Wow, has he been accepted? If so, that is awesome! To get into Harvard as a 9th grader is pretty impressive!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am absolutely serious, if any school calls as a freshman we will visit, but my kids will not commit ANYWHERE until the end of their junior year (at the earliest). Because then I will be comfortable with the decision and I will feel like they will be going somewhere that will be a good fit. Before that it is too risky. And trust me, if your kid is good enough, they will wait. Because, if they are not, an early commitment would be a REALLY bad idea. This, but the class will be filled crap is nothing but a scare tactic, they will make room for a kid that they want (even if that mean bumping little Johnny that "committed" when he was 12!
Been there, done that, trust me!

I hope it works out well. I have three sons, what I thought when they were toddlers and what I think now are very, very different.

I can imagine the family atmosphere if the coach at Harvard makes an offer at 15 and Daddy insists junior passes until he is a junior. I'm sure Johnny will continue to be so talented as a junior he will have his pick of the rest, but if his heart was set on Harvard�there could be some bitterness later on if he ends up at his #10 choice because other very talented kids were willing to jump the gun.

On one hand I completely agree that recruiting so early is completely insane. On the other hand, nothing is guaranteed in this world, and at some point kids need to make their own decisions. I would never push my kid to commit to a school even if I thought it was the opportunity of a lifetime, but I would not prevent them from doing so either. Would I like to turn back the clock and have this all occur late Junior or early senior year, absolutely! I'd also love it if popular music wasn't so graphic, but I am not going to be successful limiting my kid' iPods to music by Pat Boone.

I have prepared my son with the possibilities, that he could be dropped, he could get better offers, or that he could go and never step his foot on the field. He understands that all those scenarios are beyond his control, he is focused on academic opportunity and his future not lacrosse.

Wow, has he been accepted? If so, that is awesome! To get into Harvard as a 9th grader is pretty impressive!

You commit to the application process, not accepted.......yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And the first 2018 comits to Hopkins!

Do we know from where? $1000 says he's a holdback, LOL. Just kidding. Congrats to whoever it is! Hope it's a LI kid!

Not a holdback even though he's from Maryland. Plays for Madlax.

Look it up. The 2018 kid IL was touting last week is already 16. REALLY? Yes. Most "Natural" 2018's are still 14. Of course this young MAN is from MD/DC area.

Post it and everyone believes it. Just an example of how silly this all is. Don't really know how old that kid is but how many of you are looking?? #obsessed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am absolutely serious, if any school calls as a freshman we will visit, but my kids will not commit ANYWHERE until the end of their junior year (at the earliest). Because then I will be comfortable with the decision and I will feel like they will be going somewhere that will be a good fit. Before that it is too risky. And trust me, if your kid is good enough, they will wait. Because, if they are not, an early commitment would be a REALLY bad idea. This, but the class will be filled crap is nothing but a scare tactic, they will make room for a kid that they want (even if that mean bumping little Johnny that "committed" when he was 12!
Been there, done that, trust me!

I hope it works out well. I have three sons, what I thought when they were toddlers and what I think now are very, very different.

I can imagine the family atmosphere if the coach at Harvard makes an offer at 15 and Daddy insists junior passes until he is a junior. I'm sure Johnny will continue to be so talented as a junior he will have his pick of the rest, but if his heart was set on Harvard�there could be some bitterness later on if he ends up at his #10 choice because other very talented kids were willing to jump the gun.

On one hand I completely agree that recruiting so early is completely insane. On the other hand, nothing is guaranteed in this world, and at some point kids need to make their own decisions. I would never push my kid to commit to a school even if I thought it was the opportunity of a lifetime, but I would not prevent them from doing so either. Would I like to turn back the clock and have this all occur late Junior or early senior year, absolutely! I'd also love it if popular music wasn't so graphic, but I am not going to be successful limiting my kid' iPods to music by Pat Boone.

I have prepared my son with the possibilities, that he could be dropped, he could get better offers, or that he could go and never step his foot on the field. He understands that all those scenarios are beyond his control, he is focused on academic opportunity and his future not lacrosse.

Wow, has he been accepted? If so, that is awesome! To get into Harvard as a 9th grader is pretty impressive!

You commit to the application process, not accepted.......yet

No, I was talking about the former coach's kid, mine doesn't have a Harvard offer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Post it and everyone believes it. Just an example of how silly this all is. Don't really know how old that kid is but how many of you are looking?? #obsessed

2017 commit kid from express will be 20 in his first semester at college..... believe it!

a fact that is truly silly: a sophomore born in 97.

i'm gonna reclass my 2019 to 6th grade and have him be a 2021.

reality and fairness just don't mix in this game.

Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?

Sounds like you're upset that your kid wasn't named the first. Sick!
But the comment about the first pee was pretty funny!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?

I agree about not making a public spectacle. However, I think you're a little envious of the attention. If your 2018 committed to an Ivy two months ago, God Bless. Why all the anger? Let it go... Sounds like you're upset that you're son didn't get the press, you didn't want him to get in the first place??? Odd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?

I agree about not making a public spectacle. However, I think you're a little envious of the attention. If your 2018 committed to an Ivy two months ago, God Bless. Why all the anger? Let it go... Sounds like you're upset that you're son didn't get the press, you didn't want him to get in the first place??? Odd.

I doubt there are 2018 Ivy verbals before the kids have even started high school. This is a 2017 thread so must be a 2017 kid if an Ivy. I don't see why this point would get you sore. Bottom line is the NCAA sport is way out of whack when coaches are extrapolating what 8th graders will be in college. I agree, good for the kids and families to get a college education. Bad for these NCAA early recruiting programs. No lemon law in sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look it up. The 2018 kid IL was touting last week is already 16. REALLY? Yes. Most "Natural" 2018's are still 14. Of course this young MAN is from MD/DC area.

my 2018 isn't even 14 yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?

Agreed. I respect what your saying, Ty Xanders is a hypocritical wanna be. Zero credibility. Seems like a non athletic 24 year old living in mom's basement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?

Agreed. I respect what your saying, Ty Xanders is a hypocritical wanna be. Zero credibility. Seems like a non athletic 24 year old living in mom's basement.

What's the matter, your boy not make top 20 list? Work harder and stop blaming Ty. The guy does a great job and is well respected in the lax community. All the kids he writes about are well deserving and are being offered scholarships, so he must know something, because coaches don't offer scholarships as favors!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?

Agreed. I respect what your saying, Ty Xanders is a hypocritical wanna be. Zero credibility. Seems like a non athletic 24 year old living in mom's basement.

What's the matter, your boy not make top 20 list? Work harder and stop blaming Ty. The guy does a great job and is well respected in the lax community. All the kids he writes about are well deserving and are being offered scholarships, so he must know something, because coaches don't offer scholarships as favors!

Top 20? Hey genius, you mean Top 25 and its NOT even out yet! Do you homework before you come on here, you goof. As far as my son, Xanders has written about him and it means nothing to me. My son committed on his ability, work ethic & grades. Back to "Ty being respected" you are completely incorrect, that's the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?

Agreed. I respect what your saying, Ty Xanders is a hypocritical wanna be. Zero credibility. Seems like a non athletic 24 year old living in mom's basement.

What's the matter, your boy not make top 20 list? Work harder and stop blaming Ty. The guy does a great job and is well respected in the lax community. All the kids he writes about are well deserving and are being offered scholarships, so he must know something, because coaches don't offer scholarships as favors!

Top 20? Hey genius, you mean Top 25 and its NOT even out yet! Do you homework before you come on here, you goof. As far as my son, Xanders has written about him and it means nothing to me. My son committed on his ability, work ethic & grades. Back to "Ty being respected" you are completely incorrect, that's the truth.

You are an [lacrosse]! Nice try. Why would you put down someone who talks about your son on a flattering way. If you know anything about Ty, you would know that he relies heavily on the opinions of both the travel and D1 Coaches. Why would you be so bitter? Unless of course, you are full of shi☆

The player, his family and Yale coach asked for privacy, we should all respect it. Great kid, great family, and plays for a great club. Leave it at that. It will be out soon enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!

A Turtle?

No,91. Class currently has 5 2017 committs, program has 10 top D1 committs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders has become a comedy within a bad joke. "Can't talk about 2018 commits, but we have one. Can't make it public, but I can make comments that imply who the kid is." This kid is 13 years old. It didn't wind up on Twitter without the club / prep school coach crazies putting it out there. Sounds like Petro for once may have tried to save some dignity to at least wait until this kid took his first pee in the high school locker room, but no. My kid committed to an Ivy two months ago. I give my son a lot of credit. When IL's little Twitter [lacrosse] asked around about him, his HS and club coaches both respected our privacy. Nobody knew then, nobody will know for 2 more years. Why make a public spectacle of your kid at the age of 13, 14, 15, 16?

Agreed. I respect what your saying, Ty Xanders is a hypocritical wanna be. Zero credibility. Seems like a non athletic 24 year old living in mom's basement.

What's the matter, your boy not make top 20 list? Work harder and stop blaming Ty. The guy does a great job and is well respected in the lax community. All the kids he writes about are well deserving and are being offered scholarships, so he must know something, because coaches don't offer scholarships as favors!

Top 20? Hey genius, you mean Top 25 and its NOT even out yet! Do you homework before you come on here, you goof. As far as my son, Xanders has written about him and it means nothing to me. My son committed on his ability, work ethic & grades. Back to "Ty being respected" you are completely incorrect, that's the truth.

You are an [lacrosse]! Nice try. Why would you put down someone who talks about your son on a flattering way. If you know anything about Ty, you would know that he relies heavily on the opinions of both the travel and D1 Coaches. Why would you be so bitter? Unless of course, you are full of shi☆

Yes, but I'm a WELL INFORMED [lacrosse]. Believe what you like. I know this much, his opinion is not important to me. Just because you want to throw a party because some nobody tweets about your son, doesn't mean every parent with a committed kid are so flattered or even care. Have a good night, I guess I better end the exchange because I'm worried you will curse at me again on here, its very SCARY!!

Maryland to offer lifetime scholarships for all athletes...announced today, for all sports, not just revenue sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The player, his family and Yale coach asked for privacy, we should all respect it. Great kid, great family, and plays for a great club. Leave it at that. It will be out soon enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!

A Turtle?

No,91. Class currently has 5 2017 committs, program has 10 top D1 committs.

is the kid a 2018 and 16 or am I mixing a few random posts or are they all related?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The player, his family and Yale coach asked for privacy, we should all respect it. Great kid, great family, and plays for a great club. Leave it at that. It will be out soon enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!

A Turtle?

No,91. Class currently has 5 2017 committs, program has 10 top D1 committs.

is the kid a 2018 and 16 or am I mixing a few random posts or are they all related?

I can confirm that Yale coaches appreciate privacy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The player, his family and Yale coach asked for privacy, we should all respect it. Great kid, great family, and plays for a great club. Leave it at that. It will be out soon enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!

A Turtle?

No,91. Class currently has 5 2017 committs, program has 10 top D1 committs.

is the kid a 2018 and 16 or am I mixing a few random posts or are they all related?

I can confirm that Yale coaches appreciate privacy.

So lets keep putting it out there!

What 2017 li teams are at quaker fest in fall - its the top recruiting tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What 2017 li teams are at quaker fest in fall - its the top recruiting tournament

Outlaws!! 2017 team is going to be top top team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What 2017 li teams are at quaker fest in fall - its the top recruiting tournament

Outlaws!! 2017 team is going to be top top team.

Oh please make it stop!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What 2017 li teams are at quaker fest in fall - its the top recruiting tournament

Outlaws!! 2017 team is going to be top top team.

Turtles going to be there? Or a different Express team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What 2017 li teams are at quaker fest in fall - its the top recruiting tournament

Outlaws!! 2017 team is going to be top top team.

Turtles going to be there? Or a different Express team?

I believe that the Quakerfest occurs during the NCAA contact period but during that same period coaches can't evaluate players. If correct, how do you think this will affect coach attendance? I think the same thing happened last year; so how was last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What 2017 li teams are at quaker fest in fall - its the top recruiting tournament

Outlaws!! 2017 team is going to be top top team.

Turtles going to be there? Or a different Express team?

I believe that the Quakerfest occurs during the NCAA contact period but during that same period coaches can't evaluate players. If correct, how do you think this will affect coach attendance? I think the same thing happened last year; so how was last year?

Evaluation period starts November 1, so there will be evaluations going on, and there will be a lot of coaches there.

The good athletes are playing football and are not going to waste time going there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The good athletes are playing football and are not going to waste time going there.

The players that want to play big D1 lacrosse should be going there on a sunday, no football on sunday.

The "good athletes play football" comment is plain ignorant.

you're right, it should say the "very good"

The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...

You do not sound very SMART

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...

Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...

Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!

Please send around the long list of LI players that have made a descent living playing lacrosse. Professional lacrosse is a joke .

Pretty soon you will also see a trend of D1 assistant and even head coaches quitting to leave for the club or showcase side where the money is, or just leave the sport. D1 lacrosse coaches work too hard for too little, especially the assistants who work all school year and then all summer living out of a suitcase to recruit. It needs to be football money for rational people to fill these coaching decisions and deal with all this recruiting mania to be competitive

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...

Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!

Please send around the long list of LI players that have made a descent living playing lacrosse. Professional lacrosse is a joke .

Are you that much of a moron? The goal is to get into a better college, enjoy the experience of being a student athlete, and have some tuition relief.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...

Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!

Plenty of LI players get football scholarships each year. A football scholarship is real money saved not 5k off of a 50k tuition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...

Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!

Plenty of LI players get football scholarships each year. A football scholarship is real money saved not 5k off of a 50k tuition.

Define plenty. 4-5? , compared with 100+ for lax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...

Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!

Plenty of LI players get football scholarships each year. A football scholarship is real money saved not 5k off of a 50k tuition.

Exactly the reason why the "best athletes" from other areas of the country will not be playing lacrosse over football anytime soon.

Lax dreamers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax dreamers

My kid, D1 commit - much more than "5k" - he don't play football. No dreaming here, those are facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax dreamers

My kid, D1 commit - much more than "5k" - he don't play football. No dreaming here, those are facts.

Same here. Bunch of jealous loses out there!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax dreamers

My kid, D1 commit - much more than "5k" - he don't play football. No dreaming here, those are facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax dreamers

My kid, D1 commit - much more than "5k" - he don't play football. No dreaming here, those are facts.

We were talking about ATHLETIC scholarship money only. Not need based and/or academic money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax dreamers

My kid, D1 commit - much more than "5k" - he don't play football. No dreaming here, those are facts.

We were talking about ATHLETIC scholarship money only. Not need based and/or academic money.

Correct. My kid, "ATHLETIC SCHOLARSHIP" for the sport of lacrosse over $5K in 2017 grad year. Not a football player, STILL not dreaming.

Honestly, if you are doubting that MANY of these 2017's have gotten lax $$$ over $5000 than your son is NOT being recruited as of now. Your not in the loop buddy, meaning you don't know what your talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...

Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!

Plenty of LI players get football scholarships each year. A football scholarship is real money saved not 5k off of a 50k tuition.

Define plenty. 4-5? , compared with 100+ for lax

100+ for lax?? where are you living?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...

Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!

Please send around the long list of LI players that have made a descent living playing lacrosse. Professional lacrosse is a joke .

Are you that much of a moron? The goal is to get into a better college, enjoy the experience of being a student athlete, and have some tuition relief.

I agree with you.... Think about the source, football parent, too many hits to the head... I think you know the deal now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The SMART athletes know to concentrate on sports that have actually have a future in...

Ha! Please send around the long list of NFLers from LI. There are so many I have lost track. Lmfao!

Plenty of LI players get football scholarships each year. A football scholarship is real money saved not 5k off of a 50k tuition.

Add it up, I counted 100 D1 commits on Laxpower where they list the kids alphabetically for the 2014 grad year. And I was only up to the letter H! Probably closer to 200+. And you want to play Football??

Define plenty. 4-5? , compared with 100+ for lax

100+ for lax?? where are you living?

Honestly, if you are doubting that MANY of these 2017's have gotten lax $$$ over $5000 than your son is NOT being recruited as of now. Your not in the loop buddy, meaning you don't know what your talking about. [/quote]

My kid committed early and is getting zero dollars. Only scholarship money at Ivy are academic scholarships.

The point is valid Mr. Daddy Bragger...lacrosse is a 12.5 sport. On the club sidelines and in these chat rooms everyone loves to brag they are getting big money %s or $$$ figures. Of course some kids get a lot more at some programs. But on average is isn't much. Assume 3 scholarships per class and 12 recruits per class, and assume last 3 are walk ons, that still leaves 3 over 9 kids and their psycho insecure Dads to please. The poster is not suggesting anything dumb. In football everyone rides free, in lacrosse few if any do. That is just the math and not my argument.

Majority of people lie even when the truth has been announced about scholarship monies. Nature of the beast to not be honest or forthcoming. So many should think when the child is assuming loans at 45,000 + to play a game. Rather it be academics then lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Majority of people lie even when the truth has been announced about scholarship monies. Nature of the beast to not be honest or forthcoming. So many should think when the child is assuming loans at 45,000 + to play a game. Rather it be academics then lax.

Amen. I also have a nephew at UVa on a whopping $900 a year scholarship, and he saw the field some last year. Petro just added another 2017. It is not believable all these top recruits are getting top recruit money, and so be it to go to a good school like Hop. My next question is if you are the coach at a certain Bmore school with initials JHU and you overpromising money to 2017s, what happens later? Does he just drop reality on kids and say I am mot starting you out at 60%, I still want you but I can only give you 15%? Just play great and I will dial you up to 50% plus, but not happening now. If you need to de-commit I will release you from my list with a positive reference in case anyone asks. Happens. Believe me, it happens.

Can a coach offer in-state tuition for an out-of-state student-athlete and not count as a scholarship?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Majority of people lie even when the truth has been announced about scholarship monies. Nature of the beast to not be honest or forthcoming. So many should think when the child is assuming loans at 45,000 + to play a game. Rather it be academics then lax.

You can believe what you like. I know the $$ my son is getting. Hes committed to a top 20 D1 program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can a coach offer in-state tuition for an out-of-state student-athlete and not count as a scholarship?

No, that would be fraudulent. There are some tricks for applicants...at some state schools if your parent(s) went you are counted as in-state. If you are military there are some GI bill exceptions to make your kid in state. If you are a resident of Wash DC you are not in a state and there is a law stating DC residents get in state tuition at any US state college. Otherwise, to pull that off you'd have to host family your kid in another state or move there. There are examples of people on VA side going to MD or vice versa to save tuition dollars because it is local move.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Majority of people lie even when the truth has been announced about scholarship monies. Nature of the beast to not be honest or forthcoming. So many should think when the child is assuming loans at 45,000 + to play a game. Rather it be academics then lax.

You can believe what you like. I know the $$ my son is getting. Hes committed to a top 20 D1 program.

The topper is back. Who wrote "nobody gets more than $5K"? Some kids get a decent %s but very very few. Rest are Daddy liars. The point is that lacrosse money stinks relative to football. Money in every sport stinks compared to football.

Here is some humble pie tough guy. Some day when your kid arrives on campus he will sit down for training table meals near male cheerleaders. That's right, male cheerleaders. All of the male cheerleaders at BCS conference schools are on FULL SCHOLARSHIP. Now, go be really bitter about that for the next seven years. Every male cheerleader has a better deal than every lacrosse player.

I think the really Smart athletes know to concentrate on ACADEMICS- which can actually help provide a better future, collegiately & professionally.

When do the 2015s, 2016s or 2017s get their Likely Letters from Admissions. In the summer just ahead of or early fall of Senior year? That is the way it works for other Likely Letter receivers, academic or athletic targeted kids. Or does it come earlier because lacrosse is an early recruiting sport? Just asking if anyone knows.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the 2015s, 2016s or 2017s get their Likely Letters from Admissions. In the summer just ahead of or early fall of Senior year? That is the way it works for other Likely Letter receivers, academic or athletic targeted kids. Or does it come earlier because lacrosse is an early recruiting sport? Just asking if anyone knows.

Early commit does not change the sequence of a likely

What was talent like at Express tryouts tonight?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was talent like at Express tryouts tonight?

We passed on express tryout last night. But I bet talent level and numbers down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was talent like at Express tryouts tonight?

We passed on express tryout last night. But I bet talent level and numbers down.

Talent was very good and over 80 2017 players there. More than last years rising sophomore

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was talent like at Express tryouts tonight?

We passed on express tryout last night. But I bet talent level and numbers down.

Talent was very good and over 80 2017 players there. More than last years rising sophomore

I'm sure Turtles stole the show.

Checked out someone's recco for @angrylaxmom on twitter yesterday. Pretty funny stuff and I can speak for quite a few when I say I can absolutely relate to the tweets... Funny stuff, keep it up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Checked out someone's recco for @angrylaxmom on twitter yesterday. Pretty funny stuff and I can speak for quite a few when I say I can absolutely relate to the tweets... Funny stuff, keep it up.

Ya think?!?! We can all relate!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was talent like at Express tryouts tonight?

We passed on express tryout last night. But I bet talent level and numbers down.

Talent was very good and over 80 2017 players there. More than last years rising sophomore

I'm sure Turtles stole the show.

No Turtles in sight. They were not in attendance

All catholic school kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All catholic school kids?

How many Catholic school kids are on turtles?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Turtles in sight. They were not in attendance

The Turtles don't try out for the express it's a invite only team.

The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.

It's because the 2017 Express "A" team is actually the B team and the turtles are the A team in the program. The 2017 "A" team is almost entirely kids from Chaminade, St Anthony's, and Kellenberg.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All catholic school kids?

How many Catholic school kids are on turtles?

Chaminade-
2 Defense
1 Middie

St.Ant-
1 Goalie
1 LSM
1 Middie

Grand total of 6.
I think 5 of the 6 are committed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Turtles in sight. They were not in attendance

The Turtles don't try out for the express it's a invite only team.

False. The turtles always tried out for Express. Always. Saw it with my own eyes for years. Now, why they weren't at the tryout is another question.

Please know the situation before you speak. The Turtles took Express's best attackman and their best defenseman. Their best middie broke his collarbone in the first tournament of the year and their 2nd best middie (the UNC commit) wasn't able to make any of the tournaments (not sure why). If you take the 4 best players off of any team I'm pretty sure they will not be as good. Considering the circumstances the team played pretty well this summer against top competition...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All catholic school kids?

How many Catholic school kids are on turtles?

Chaminade-
2 Defense
1 Middie

St.Ant-
1 Goalie
1 LSM
1 Middie

Grand total of 6.
I think 5 of the 6 are committed.

missing a attack-man from Chaminade

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please know the situation before you speak. The Turtles took Express's best attackman and their best defenseman. Their best middie broke his collarbone in the first tournament of the year and their 2nd best middie (the UNC commit) wasn't able to make any of the tournaments (not sure why). If you take the 4 best players off of any team I'm pretty sure they will not be as good. Considering the circumstances the team played pretty well this summer against top competition...

Honestly they are weak. All teams go through personnel changes and injuries each year. Can't compete with Dukes, Crabs, 3D National, Leading Edge, Patriot, etc. at thsi point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please know the situation before you speak. The Turtles took Express's best attackman and their best defenseman. Their best middie broke his collarbone in the first tournament of the year and their 2nd best middie (the UNC commit) wasn't able to make any of the tournaments (not sure why). If you take the 4 best players off of any team I'm pretty sure they will not be as good. Considering the circumstances the team played pretty well this summer against top competition...

Honestly they are weak. All teams go through personnel changes and injuries each year. Can't compete with Dukes, Crabs, 3D National, Leading Edge, Patriot, etc. at thsi point.

Yeah ok, nice try

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.

Do you feel better about yourself now...ha ha what a comment - class...look it up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.

Do you feel better about yourself now...ha ha what a comment - class...look it up

Truth hurts. Look at their record this summer. Putrid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.

Do you feel better about yourself now...ha ha what a comment - class...look it up

Guess you didn't see them up in Lake Placid where they made it to the finals undefeated until losing to Sweetlax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.

Do you feel better about yourself now...ha ha what a comment - class...look it up

Truth hurts. Look at their record this summer. Putrid.

You Sir or Ma'am need to seek anger management or counseling or both. You are commenting about 15yr old young adults. Do you honestly believe making such comments is helpful in any way; except to in some twisted way I bet, make yourself feel better? Take a deep breath, I think in time and some maturation on your part, you will see these comments are nothing but hurtful and shameful, and really a poor reflection on you and your family.

Dean Vernon Wormer: The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.

Do you feel better about yourself now...ha ha what a comment - class...look it up

Truth hurts. Look at their record this summer. Putrid.

Taking anonymous shots at kids - what a toolbag!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LI Express 2017 team was easily the worst Express team I've ever seen. They got pummeled all summer long.

Do you feel better about yourself now...ha ha what a comment - class...look it up

Truth hurts. Look at their record this summer. Putrid.

You Sir or Ma'am need to seek anger management or counseling or both. You are commenting about 15yr old young adults. Do you honestly believe making such comments is helpful in any way; except to in some twisted way I bet, make yourself feel better? Take a deep breath, I think in time and some maturation on your part, you will see these comments are nothing but hurtful and shameful, and really a poor reflection on you and your family.

Oh yeah? You don't know my family, so I'll clean it up a little for you. SUCKED.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Turtles in sight. They were not in attendance

The Turtles don't try out for the express it's a invite only team.

False. The turtles always tried out for Express. Always. Saw it with my own eyes for years. Now, why they weren't at the tryout is another question.

tried out? or showed up for try outs?

Boon: I gotta work on my game.
Otter: No, no, no, don't think of it as work. The whole point is just to enjoy yourself

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All catholic school kids?

How many Catholic school kids are on turtles?

Chaminade-
2 Defense
1 Middie

St.Ant-
1 Goalie
1 LSM
1 Middie

Grand total of 6.
I think 5 of the 6 are committed.

missing a attack-man from Chaminade

Rooney: In 1966, Everyone graduated from St. Basil's, except me.

The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went to finals in two tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went to finals in two tournaments.

Also the first reclassified. Might as well be totally transparent about that commit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went to finals in two tournaments.

Please clarify the best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went to finals in two tournaments.

LOL. Did you see either of them at your tryout tonight or Monday? NO. Go to the the Turtle website and you will see their names and where they committed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went to finals in two tournaments.

Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went

Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!

UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went

Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!

UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!

You're right. Should've said "in addition to" unc. And I'm talking top 5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went

Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!

UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!

You're right. Should've said "in addition to" unc. And I'm talking top 5

top 5 academically or lax wise ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went

Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!

UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!

You're right. Should've said "in addition to" unc. And I'm talking top 5

top 5 academically or lax wise ?

That is a totally ridiculous question. Would you pick a top 5 lax over a top 5 academic in ANY situation that you were considering to let your son commit to?

If so; please do reveal the lax over academic school you would consider.

We all need a laugh

I would take UMBC and Wagner over those Ivies any day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went

Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!

UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!

You're right. Should've said "in addition to" unc. And I'm talking top 5

top 5 academically or lax wise ?

That is a totally ridiculous question. Would you pick a top 5 lax over a top 5 academic in ANY situation that you were considering to let your son commit to?

If so; please do reveal the lax over academic school you would consider.

We all need a laugh

"Let"? Mr. Top 5. A bit of advise for you. You had better "let" your son who earned these choices commit to the school he's most happy with. All your rankings will mean absolutely ZERO when after the first two weeks he says "come get me I hate it here". Happens all too often. He then goes to NCC college and you're there scratching your head saying "I don't know who this happened". Well it happens when overbearing parents won't "let" their son go where he wants. Don't get so wrapped up in rankings and top this and top that. Foolishness at best!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would take UMBC and Wagner over those Ivies any day.

I'm sure the people whom have kids that went to (or are headed to) UMBC or Wagner appreciate your smart [lacrosse] sarcastic insulting comments. You are a sh*thead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went

Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!

UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!

You're right. Should've said "in addition to" unc. And I'm talking top 5

top 5 academically or lax wise ?

That is a totally ridiculous question. Would you pick a top 5 lax over a top 5 academic in ANY situation that you were considering to let your son commit to?

If so; please do reveal the lax over academic school you would consider.

We all need a laugh

"Let"? Mr. Top 5. A bit of advise for you. You had better "let" your son who earned these choices commit to the school he's most happy with. All your rankings will mean absolutely ZERO when after the first two weeks he says "come get me I hate it here". Happens all too often. He then goes to NCC college and you're there scratching your head saying "I don't know who this happened". Well it happens when overbearing parents won't "let" their son go where he wants. Don't get so wrapped up in rankings and top this and top that. Foolishness at best!

Point taken.

Counterpoint; with your position; then as a parent I should "let" my son decide if drugs are a good thing to experiment with. Let him decide if DWI is something he should try for himself.,etc...... Ad nauseum. ...because it would make him happy?

As a parent, I will "guide" him to a decision that will "let" him have the best opportunity for his future. Personally, I do no think a less than top 10 school, if he is offered, is a poor choice. I do feel that picking a school where most of the student body majors in BEER and is a good or premier lax school is a poor choice and would not "let" him come to a conclusion that it was.

Did you "let" your son play in traffic because it would make him happy, or did you guide him and teach him what was a better choice.

I will "let" my son pick the school he wants; and based on his preferences that I have helped to shape as good examples; I am sure he won't end up at NCC.

If he did however land there; he will make the best of it and I will "let " him make choices that are constant with a positive direction in life.

Foolishness? I think not. Letting him make "happy" choices without a concrete foundation?....absolute foolishness.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would take UMBC and Wagner over those Ivies any day.

I'm sure the people whom have kids that went to (or are headed to) UMBC or Wagner appreciate your smart [lacrosse] sarcastic insulting comments. You are a sh*thead.

Well you are right about the smart [lacrosse] sarcastic comments, but you failed to see I was being facetious and not insulting to Wagner or UMBC. I was directing it to the few Thurston Howell the Thirds on here who think if you don't get into an Ivy or at least Duke you will be a failure in life. In the future please address me as Mr.Sh*thead.

Any one heard from the Express on the 2017 teams yet? Who will be coaching and how many teams etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any one heard from the Express on the 2017 teams yet? Who will be coaching and how many teams etc.

Yes 2017 invites are out.
Team 1 - Scheiber
Team 2 - Moran
Team 3 - do not know

Team 3 - Pomponio

Do we know if one of the teams for 2017 is going to be a committed team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went

Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!

UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!

You're right. Should've said "in addition to" unc. And I'm talking top 5

top 5 academically or lax wise ?

News flash - UNC not top 5 in either category. When was the last time UNC did anything in mens lax? A collection of decent players, but not a team. Amazing the coach wasn't fired a long time ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do we know if one of the teams for 2017 is going to be a committed team?

LOL. How many committed players you have? You have three correct? 2 middie (UNC) & (Cornell) and 1 Defensive player (Cornell). All 3 players are held back. Who else you have committed?

Just because you committed early doesn't mean you're the best player. There are a lot of great players that are not committed. Early commits came from the parents who it. Committing later is more secure. Remember you have to get accepted first

Coaches are under pressure to win, and to win you need to recruit well. So the coaches are compelled to go earlier and earlier to keep up with recruiting. I am not asserting facts about these early deals, 4 year guarantees, calling anyone a liar, etc. But the bottom line is if a coach wants a 9th or 10th grader today he will say and promise anything, and for the first year he will honor it. If the kid can't play when he gets there, the deal is he will change the deal and put that money into players he needs to keep on the field to win. Early verbal kids don't develop, don't work hard, arrive with a sense of entitlement and don't perform they will lose their status and some of their scholarship to the kids who earn the playing spots ahead of them. Nothing wrong with taking an early deal or securing a spot that is going away to a good school, that is what lacrosse offers and the families should take it. Just saying that there are cautionary tales out there in every major program. IL ranked HS kid who has career stats of getting in one game and picking up a couple ground balls during a blowout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just because you committed early doesn't mean you're the best player. There are a lot of great players that are not committed. Early commits came from the parents who it. Committing later is more secure. Remember you have to get accepted first

Early commits aren't EARLY anymore! There are about 135 2017 committed already, so end that weak old line.

I agree that just because you commit early doesn't mean your the BEST player, but it does mean your one of the BETTER players.

You are completely WRONG that "great" players aren't committed already. Sure, there are late bloomers and schools leave a couple of slots open for them but its not common.

And I forgot, the NCAA coaches do whatever Mom & Dad say in regards to offering the kid a spot on their roster! LMAO, wake up!!!!!

If your kid committed early....great. Why argue on here? Good luck to the families that did. Waste of time debating the topic. Each case is different. Enjoy your own experience!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just because you committed early doesn't mean you're the best player. There are a lot of great players that are not committed. Early commits came from the parents who it. Committing later is more secure. Remember you have to get accepted first

Early commits aren't EARLY anymore! There are about 135 2017 committed already, so end that weak old line.

I agree that just because you commit early doesn't mean your the BEST player, but it does mean your one of the BETTER players.

You are completely WRONG that "great" players aren't committed already. Sure, there are late bloomers and schools leave a couple of slots open for them but its not common.

And I forgot, the NCAA coaches do whatever Mom & Dad say in regards to offering the kid a spot on their roster! LMAO, wake up!!!!!

Some committed players are certainly the best, at least now, some are players coaches are taking a gamble on. If 135 2017s are committed to D1 right now, and each of the 67 DI schools takes 8 kids per class (many take more) that is a total of 536 total that will play D1 for 2017. What that means is that there are still 400+ spots available.

I am a bit surprised that some of the players we know who are committed are skipping top club play. It seems like it is important to keep working out and playing at the top level to ensure you get on the field when you start college. I understand why they would skip showcase events, but club tourneys seem important. Most varsity seasons have a handful of competitive games and that is not enough to stay sharp.

http://rising.3dlacrosse.com/

Long Island representing well!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just because you committed early doesn't mean you're the best player. There are a lot of great players that are not committed. Early commits came from the parents who it. Committing later is more secure. Remember you have to get accepted first

Early commits aren't EARLY anymore! There are about 135 2017 committed already, so end that weak old line.

I agree that just because you commit early doesn't mean your the BEST player, but it does mean your one of the BETTER players.

You are completely WRONG that "great" players aren't committed already. Sure, there are late bloomers and schools leave a couple of slots open for them but its not common.

And I forgot, the NCAA coaches do whatever Mom & Dad say in regards to offering the kid a spot on their roster! LMAO, wake up!!!!!

Some committed players are certainly the best, at least now, some are players coaches are taking a gamble on. If 135 2017s are committed to D1 right now, and each of the 67 DI schools takes 8 kids per class (many take more) that is a total of 536 total that will play D1 for 2017. What that means is that there are still 400+ spots available.

I am a bit surprised that some of the players we know who are committed are skipping top club play. It seems like it is important to keep working out and playing at the top level to ensure you get on the field when you start college. I understand why they would skip showcase events, but club tourneys seem important. Most varsity seasons have a handful of competitive games and that is not enough to stay sharp.

Agree....

Early commit just means the hard work just started. Now more than ever; these kids cannot afford to rest on their laurels.

They need to Hone those skills at both the highest level of club and HS games that they can

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do we know if one of the teams for 2017 is going to be a committed team?

Yes. The team is called the Turtles.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any one heard from the Express on the 2017 teams yet? Who will be coaching and how many teams etc.

Yes 2017 invites are out.
Team 1 - Scheiber
Team 2 - Moran
Team 3 - do not know

Damn the Express has 4 2017 teams this year. No way all 4 are competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any one heard from the Express on the 2017 teams yet? Who will be coaching and how many teams etc.

Yes 2017 invites are out.
Team 1 - Scheiber
Team 2 - Moran
Team 3 - do not know

Damn the Express has 4 2017 teams this year. No way all 4 are competitive.

Ok, I'll bite. I only see 3 teams for 2017 with Express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any one heard from the Express on the 2017 teams yet? Who will be coaching and how many teams etc.

Yes 2017 invites are out.
Team 1 - Scheiber
Team 2 - Moran
Team 3 - do not know

Damn the Express has 4 2017 teams this year. No way all 4 are competitive.

Ok, I'll bite. I only see 3 teams for 2017 with Express.

Duh, Turtles.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any one heard from the Express on the 2017 teams yet? Who will be coaching and how many teams etc.

Yes 2017 invites are out.
Team 1 - Scheiber
Team 2 - Moran
Team 3 - do not know

Damn the Express has 4 2017 teams this year. No way all 4 are competitive.

Ok, I'll bite. I only see 3 teams for 2017 with Express.

Turtles aren't listed there because they are invite only.

I cannot believe this is a forum for adults. The way the posters speak to each other is disgusting. Is this how you are raising your children to be? If so I hope my children never meet yours! These boys are feeling enough pressure and don't need the added rudeness of parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I cannot believe this is a forum for adults. The way the posters speak to each other is disgusting. Is this how you are raising your children to be? If so I hope my children never meet yours! These boys are feeling enough pressure and don't need the added rudeness of parents.

Welcome to Long Island!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just because you committed early doesn't mean you're the best player. There are a lot of great players that are not committed. Early commits came from the parents who it. Committing later is more secure. Remember you have to get accepted first

Early commits aren't EARLY anymore! There are about 135 2017 committed already, so end that weak old line.

I agree that just because you commit early doesn't mean your the BEST player, but it does mean your one of the BETTER players.

You are completely WRONG that "great" players aren't committed already. Sure, there are late bloomers and schools leave a couple of slots open for them but its not common.

And I forgot, the NCAA coaches do whatever Mom & Dad say in regards to offering the kid a spot on their roster! LMAO, wake up!!!!!

They're "Wrong that "great" payers aren't committed already"? That statement is ridiculous! Have you thought that maybe some players are taking their time in the process? Some families have been through the process in the past and know it takes more that just an offer from a great lax school to keep a kid happy for the next 7 years (3 left in HS). Very happy for you and your child for making a very big decision so quickly and apparently being so confident in it. But, please don't be so quick to put down other kids (& they are kids) for not being so certain. And before you make an obnoxious comment regarding my kid not being good enough to have any offers yet, you're wrong! Some great offers (& they're willing to wait) and more opportunities being researched. In the end, they will all end up where they belong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any one heard from the Express on the 2017 teams yet? Who will be coaching and how many teams etc.

Yes 2017 invites are out.
Team 1 - Scheiber
Team 2 - Moran
Team 3 - do not know

Damn the Express has 4 2017 teams this year. No way all 4 are competitive.

Ok, I'll bite. I only see 3 teams for 2017 with Express.

Duh, Turtles.

Turtles still with Exp.?

Tripper: You must be the short depressed kid we ordered.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just because you committed early doesn't mean you're the best player. There are a lot of great players that are not committed. Early commits came from the parents who it. Committing later is more secure. Remember you have to get accepted first

Early commits aren't EARLY anymore! There are about 135 2017 committed already, so end that weak old line.

I agree that just because you commit early doesn't mean your the BEST player, but it does mean your one of the BETTER players.

You are completely WRONG that "great" players aren't committed already. Sure, there are late bloomers and schools leave a couple of slots open for them but its not common.

And I forgot, the NCAA coaches do whatever Mom & Dad say in regards to offering the kid a spot on their roster! LMAO, wake up!!!!!

They're "Wrong that "great" payers aren't committed already"? That statement is ridiculous! Have you thought that maybe some players are taking their time in the process? Some families have been through the process in the past and know it takes more that just an offer from a great lax school to keep a kid happy for the next 7 years (3 left in HS). Very happy for you and your child for making a very big decision so quickly and apparently being so confident in it. But, please don't be so quick to put down other kids (& they are kids) for not being so certain. And before you make an obnoxious comment regarding my kid not being good enough to have any offers yet, you're wrong! Some great offers (& they're willing to wait) and more opportunities being researched. In the end, they will all end up where they belong.

We have a kid who was a very early commit. We were very happy as it took a lot of pressure off from the recruiting.He has focused on school and is doing well. It was a real blessing. So it worked out well for us. On the other hand We had another kid who had to go through the whole recruiting process. It was more stressful but we did find the right school. I think every situation is different. Also I think parents and kids really need to understand the commitment necessary to be a D1 student athlete . It consumes the kids life at school and is a real eye opener. My advice is to consider both D! and D3 carefully

Clark Griswald: I don't give a frogs fat [lacrosse] who went through what. We need money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The best defense and attack are still on express orange. AND the best middie stayed with the team. He's loyal! Express orange had the first commit before the turtles. The team did well and went

Why would you write such an idiotic statement? Do you really care whose committment came first? You're just opening the team up to criticism. And, btw, the team was good! But honestly, I know for a fact that more than 3 turtles got solid real offers from top top programs, including UNC, back in October and passed on them. So like I said, keep your silly comments to yourself because you may not like what you'll hear!

UNC (30) is not a top school. Let's talk top 20 please!

You're right. Should've said "in addition to" unc. And I'm talking top 5

top 5 academically or lax wise ?

News flash - UNC not top 5 in either category. When was the last time UNC did anything in mens lax? A collection of decent players, but not a team. Amazing the coach wasn't fired a long time ago.

Person states; "A collection of decent players, but not a team." Yeah, we've seen how that plays out. Nosedive!

Just a question: why not d2? No one ever seems to mention d2. Wondering why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just a question: why not d2? No one ever seems to mention d2. Wondering why?

Nothing wrong with D2 but D3 has better talent, higher level of play, better schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just a question: why not d2? No one ever seems to mention d2. Wondering why?

It is all about the quality of the education

Jeff Spicoli: Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!

Team 91 2017 try outs day one was today. Unbelievable level of talent showed up and man did these kids go at it!! Dare I say level of intensity was on par with Maverick showcase (seems like half of them were there anyway)

Non stop action on three fields culminating in a sick scrimmage with real refs.

Had to be no less than 25 evaluators

Next week will be crazy. (When did the 2017's get so damned big , anyway?)

Yes I was very impressed with 91 today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2017 try outs day one was today. Unbelievable level of talent showed up and man did these kids go at it!! Dare I say level of intensity was on par with Maverick showcase (seems like half of them were there anyway)

Non stop action on three fields culminating in a sick scrimmage with real refs.

Had to be no less than 25 evaluators

Next week will be crazy. (When did the 2017's get so damned big , anyway?)

Where, OH WHERE are ALL these great Long Island players in 2017 coming from that 91 needed 3 fields because there was SO MUCH amazing talent was there? God must have sent them from the lacrosse heavens, and they have all GRAVITATED to Coach Mule'!! Funny stuff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2017 try outs day one was today. Unbelievable level of talent showed up and man did these kids go at it!! Dare I say level of intensity was on par with Maverick showcase (seems like half of them were there anyway)

Non stop action on three fields culminating in a sick scrimmage with real refs.

Had to be no less than 25 evaluators

Next week will be crazy. (When did the 2017's get so damned big , anyway?)

I saw one of the better 91 players trying out at the Predators.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2017 try outs day one was today. Unbelievable level of talent showed up and man did these kids go at it!! Dare I say level of intensity was on par with Maverick showcase (seems like half of them were there anyway)

Non stop action on three fields culminating in a sick scrimmage with real refs.

Had to be no less than 25 evaluators

Next week will be crazy. (When did the 2017's get so damned big , anyway?)

Where, OH WHERE are ALL these great Long Island players in 2017 coming from that 91 needed 3 fields because there was SO MUCH amazing talent was there? God must have sent them from the lacrosse heavens, and they have all GRAVITATED to Coach Mule'!! Funny stuff.

Cute

Actually, many from non Long Island areas.

Bring your kid next Sunday. Let's see what he has. Not gonna hang with this crowd.

This is why 91 didn't have to hurry up and try to sign anyone early and demand money the next day.... They knew the best were showing up.

Now go sit on the bench by your self...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2017 try outs day one was today. Unbelievable level of talent showed up and man did these kids go at it!! Dare I say level of intensity was on par with Maverick showcase (seems like half of them were there anyway)

Non stop action on three fields culminating in a sick scrimmage with real refs.

Had to be no less than 25 evaluators

Next week will be crazy. (When did the 2017's get so damned big , anyway?)

Where, OH WHERE are ALL these great Long Island players in 2017 coming from that 91 needed 3 fields because there was SO MUCH amazing talent was there? God must have sent them from the lacrosse heavens, and they have all GRAVITATED to Coach Mule'!! Funny stuff.

Cute

Actually, many from non Long Island areas.

Bring your kid next Sunday. Let's see what he has. Not gonna hang with this crowd.

This is why 91 didn't have to hurry up and try to sign anyone early and demand money the next day.... They knew the best were showing up.

Now go sit on the bench by your self...

Not sooooo fast young lady! My kid wont be at your 91 tryout or any other for the matter. Hes been ALL set for quite some time, locked & loaded! Thanks anyway, you can buy that load of hogwash JM is selling you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2017 try outs day one was today. Unbelievable level of talent showed up and man did these kids go at it!! Dare I say level of intensity was on par with Maverick showcase (seems like half of them were there anyway)

Non stop action on three fields culminating in a sick scrimmage with real refs.

Had to be no less than 25 evaluators

Next week will be crazy. (When did the 2017's get so damned big , anyway?)

Where, OH WHERE are ALL these great Long Island players in 2017 coming from that 91 needed 3 fields because there was SO MUCH amazing talent was there? God must have sent them from the lacrosse heavens, and they have all GRAVITATED to Coach Mule'!! Funny stuff.

Cute

Actually, many from non Long Island areas.

Bring your kid next Sunday. Let's see what he has. Not gonna hang with this crowd.

This is why 91 didn't have to hurry up and try to sign anyone early and demand money the next day.... They knew the best were showing up.

Now go sit on the bench by your self...

Not sooooo fast young lady! My kid wont be at your 91 tryout or any other for the matter. Hes been ALL set for quite some time, locked & loaded! Thanks anyway, you can buy that load of hogwash JM is selling you.

Coming from a daddy whose kid must not have made it on 91 and had to settle for MC and his version of Jones Town beverages.

Where oh where did they come from?? How about nine different states represented.
Big fast and hungry wanting to be on a real team loaded with D1 commits.

Isn't this how it went at the mighty Long Island American Expre$$.

What's that I hear from your camp? How many commits minus your turtles?

Oh...that sound was cleats beating pavement as fast as they could from the promised team A, no AA, NO and B but sometimes C.....

I thought so.

And get your non military head out of your [lacrosse]. The term is "loaded and locked" if you've ever actually served instead of watching John Wayne movies.

any see the Inside lacrosse rising sophs list?
it is out today?

91 is an awesome team, if you want to play with great players and a great coach, but just don't want to win games. wait that makes no sense....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Team 91 2017 try outs day one was today. Unbelievable level of talent showed up and man did these kids go at it!! Dare I say level of intensity was on par with Maverick showcase (seems like half of them were there anyway)

Non stop action on three fields culminating in a sick scrimmage with real refs.

Had to be no less than 25 evaluators

Next week will be crazy. (When did the 2017's get so damned big , anyway?)

Where, OH WHERE are ALL these great Long Island players in 2017 coming from that 91 needed 3 fields because there was SO MUCH amazing talent was there? God must have sent them from the lacrosse heavens, and they have all GRAVITATED to Coach Mule'!! Funny stuff.

Cute

Actually, many from non Long Island areas.

Bring your kid next Sunday. Let's see what he has. Not gonna hang with this crowd.

This is why 91 didn't have to hurry up and try to sign anyone early and demand money the next day.... They knew the best were showing up.

Now go sit on the bench by your self...

Not sooooo fast young lady! My kid wont be at your 91 tryout or any other for the matter. Hes been ALL set for quite some time, locked & loaded! Thanks anyway, you can buy that load of hogwash JM is selling you.

Coming from a daddy whose kid must not have made it on 91 and had to settle for MC and his version of Jones Town beverages.

Where oh where did they come from?? How about nine different states represented.
Big fast and hungry wanting to be on a real team loaded with D1 commits.

Isn't this how it went at the mighty Long Island American Expre$$.

What's that I hear from your camp? How many commits minus your turtles?

Oh...that sound was cleats beating pavement as fast as they could from the promised team A, no AA, NO and B but sometimes C.....

I thought so.

And get your non military head out of your [lacrosse]. The term is "loaded and locked" if you've ever actually served instead of watching John Wayne movies. [/quote

9 States!? LMFAO. is 91 now partnered with UBER Chopper to get kids to practice 8 states away

Now that his son committed JM doesnt care about that team, he is on to his next son. Don't waste your time.

looks like 5 boys on the top 25 and 9 boys on the watch list.

Top 25. Watch List

Desimone Cadigan
laviano Mule
Trangredi Avanzato
Keogh Coan
Cuccurullo Cronin
Snyder
Chmil
Mooney
Cirella

seems like a lot of non- Long Islanders on the lists.

very few non- Turtles on those IL Lists.

Did he ever REALLY care about the team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top 25. Watch List

Desimone Cadigan
laviano Mule
Trangredi Avanzato
Keogh Coan
Cuccurullo Cronin
Snyder
Chmil
Mooney
Cirella

seems like a lot of non- Long Islanders on the lists.

7 out of 14 are Turtles is that right? That is assuming the rumors are true that Laviano went back to them.

Yes he does, several boys have vc and more coming.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

very few non- Turtles on those IL Lists.

It's easy to get on those lists. Have a sleep over or two for Ty at you fancy house on Long Island with Joe Desimone and somehow your entire team will be ranked

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top 25. Watch List

Desimone Cadigan
laviano Mule
Trangredi Avanzato
Keogh Coan
Cuccurullo Cronin
Snyder
Chmil
Mooney
Cirella

seems like a lot of non- Long Islanders on the lists.

How many actually ranked (top 25?)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

very few non- Turtles on those IL Lists.

It's easy to get on those lists. Have a sleep over or two for Ty at you fancy house on Long Island with Joe Desimone and somehow your entire team will be ranked

Doc. Move away from the computer and go back to the operating room. PS there's no need to post anonymously anymore, we all know.

All Turtles in Top 25.

McMurphy: I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

Have Maverik Showtime invites been sent out yet for 2017s for this upcoming summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All Turtles in Top 25.

NOT!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All Turtles in Top 25.

Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All Turtles in Top 25.

Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!

I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have Maverik Showtime invites been sent out yet for 2017s for this upcoming summer?

Anybody know?

second name on the list- what club & HS?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All Turtles in Top 25.

Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!

I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.

Where is this list to be found?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All Turtles in Top 25.

Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!

I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.

Where is this list to be found?

In the posters head lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All Turtles in Top 25.

Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!

I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.

Where is this list to be found?

In the posters head lol

The list can be found on IL's most recent issue in the article listing their "Top 25 Young Gun Sophomores." By my count 5 of the 25 were Turtles (past or present). Additionally, 3 Turtles made the additional "watch list." Pretty impressive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All Turtles in Top 25.

Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!

I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.

Where is this list to be found?

In the posters head lol

I think we are talking about the Inside Lacrosse rankings that were released yesterday. Many turtle boys not on that list (top 25 are ranked)

Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All Turtles in Top 25.

Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!

I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.

Where is this list to be found?

In the posters head lol

The list can be found on IL's most recent issue in the article listing their "Top 25 Young Gun Sophomores." By my count 5 of the 25 were Turtles (past or present). Additionally, 3 Turtles made the additional "watch list." Pretty impressive.

By my count 4 are Smithtown products - Desimone, Cucurrullo, and Caddigan (smithtown west). Tangredi played in Smithtown up until 8th grade and now is Chaminade. Pretty impressive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16

Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All Turtles in Top 25.

Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!

I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.

Where is this list to be found?

In the posters head lol

The list can be found on IL's most recent issue in the article listing their "Top 25 Young Gun Sophomores." By my count 5 of the 25 were Turtles (past or present). Additionally, 3 Turtles made the additional "watch list." Pretty impressive.

I thought there would be more Turtles than that. Many underrated players on that team, saw them at Crabfest this past Summer. Much fun to watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16

Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater

Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16

Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater

Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.

Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16

Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater

Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.

Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.

Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16

Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater

Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.

Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.

Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!

Yeah he doesn't hide that fact, I didn't get a chance to look at DOB of those on that 3D list, but there was talk a while ago that Munro son is TWO years older (now 17 years old).

As far as DOB's, people LIE all the time just like they prob did on this 3D Top 30 LIst because you do not need to show a actual DOB. For those who don't know, the only time you need to show a DOB is or a US Lacrosse National event (ala u11, u13, u15 etc.).

The 3d Top 30 is funny, GO BLUE! They are everywhere on Coach Ryan D's Top 30. Our son isn't committed to Michigan and SOMEHOW he made the top 30 for 3D list! lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16

Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater

Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.

Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.

Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!

Daddy is also a former D1 coach (University of Denver before Tiernny) so I guess coaches are fine with it if its good for them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All Turtles in Top 25.

Didn't see 2 smithtown east turtles on list at all!

I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing.

Where is this list to be found?

In the posters head lol

The list can be found on IL's most recent issue in the article listing their "Top 25 Young Gun Sophomores." By my count 5 of the 25 were Turtles (past or present). Additionally, 3 Turtles made the additional "watch list." Pretty impressive.

I could not find the list on the IL website - could someone post a link? Thanks

I think the question was asked are all the Turtles MENTIONED in the top 25 and/or watch list. Someone reported back that all the Turtles MENTIONED in a previous post were in the top 25...I ran this past O to confirm but he was golfing. [/quote]

Where is this list to be found? [/quote]

In the posters head lol [/quote]

The list can be found on IL's most recent issue in the article listing their "Top 25 Young Gun Sophomores." By my count 5 of the 25 were Turtles (past or present). Additionally, 3 Turtles made the additional "watch list." Pretty impressive. [/quote]

I could not find the list on the IL website - could someone post a link? Thanks [/quote]

You need to have a subscription or purchase one issue in order to get access to the current issue and listings at present.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16

Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater

Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.

Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.

Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!

Wow! 5 of the top 10 on 3D list are already 16 - can't hack it in their own age group, sons of cheating parents.

no doubt these kids are good players, but in all fairness the attention and opportunities they have received comes with sneaky advantage their parents bought for them.

sad thing is that they very likely would have earned the attention of coaches had they stayed in their appropriate age group, but instead parents allow them to succeed at the expense of someone else. anyone ever think the the offers these kids get could rightfully go to a similarly talented player of appropriate age.

congrats mom and dad, you helped steal some 14-15 year boys scholarship opportunity. take from a hard working, skilled, dedicated, talented boy who does not cheat...shameful!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16

Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater

Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.

Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.

Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!

Wow! 5 of the top 10 on 3D list are already 16 - can't hack it in their own age group, sons of cheating parents.

no doubt these kids are good players, but in all fairness the attention and opportunities they have received comes with sneaky advantage their parents bought for them.

sad thing is that they very likely would have earned the attention of coaches had they stayed in their appropriate age group, but instead parents allow them to succeed at the expense of someone else. anyone ever think the the offers these kids get could rightfully go to a similarly talented player of appropriate age.

congrats mom and dad, you helped steal some 14-15 year boys scholarship opportunity. take from a hard working, skilled, dedicated, talented boy who does not cheat...shameful!

if you are involved in the 2017 class how is any of this a surprise to any of you? Written about time and time again...#horseisdeadalready

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16

Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater

Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.

Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.

Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!

Wow! 5 of the top 10 on 3D list are already 16 - can't hack it in their own age group, sons of cheating parents.

no doubt these kids are good players, but in all fairness the attention and opportunities they have received comes with sneaky advantage their parents bought for them.

sad thing is that they very likely would have earned the attention of coaches had they stayed in their appropriate age group, but instead parents allow them to succeed at the expense of someone else. anyone ever think the the offers these kids get could rightfully go to a similarly talented player of appropriate age.

congrats mom and dad, you helped steal some 14-15 year boys scholarship opportunity. take from a hard working, skilled, dedicated, talented boy who does not cheat...shameful!

It's only going to keep getting worse. Look at the Edge Canada team website. They advertise that their 2017 team is for top '98 born players. At least Munro went through the trouble of reclassifying, these guys are taking a whole team and dropping them down for tournaments, regardless of what grade they are in. It's becoming a joke, there are kids on those lists that are in grade 11 right now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16

Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater

Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.

Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.

Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!

Daddy is also a former D1 coach (University of Denver before Tiernny) so I guess coaches are fine with it if its good for them

Coaches don't care. Why should they? In fact, some might encourage it. If a kid is undersized or if a recruiting class is full, they might suggest a PG year. It's not against the rules (doubt it will ever be) and they want to put together the best team possible to win games and secure their positions. It's a business and livelihood. Just ask them.

PG has been the traditional route, but with recruiting getting younger the reclass conversation is now in the mix. Its everywhere. Just stand on the sidelines of a showcase or recruiting tournament and there's a good chance the topic will come up.

Maryland, Philly have led the way, but it's happening on LI now too. I have a family member who works at a LI private school (not Catholic) and they are seeing an increase in reclass interest. Here's the typical scenario; kid is at an elementary school, usually public, to eighth grade, they enroll in a private school repeating eighth grade with the goal of entering high school a year older for athletic reasons primarily, but it may help academically as well. Some target Chaminade, but others go public if they like their school district.

Bottom line, do what works best for your kid and family. The cream rises to the top. Work hard on game and academics and good things will follow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16

Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater

Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.

Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.

Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!

Wow! 5 of the top 10 on 3D list are already 16 - can't hack it in their own age group, sons of cheating parents.

no doubt these kids are good players, but in all fairness the attention and opportunities they have received comes with sneaky advantage their parents bought for them.

sad thing is that they very likely would have earned the attention of coaches had they stayed in their appropriate age group, but instead parents allow them to succeed at the expense of someone else. anyone ever think the the offers these kids get could rightfully go to a similarly talented player of appropriate age.

congrats mom and dad, you helped steal some 14-15 year boys scholarship opportunity. take from a hard working, skilled, dedicated, talented boy who does not cheat...shameful!

You don't get it. The great lax schools don't want young freshman. Period. They take up space. Why wouldnt a coach want a full team of players instead of a developing freshman class. Don't blame the parents. Blame the system. It is what it is. And btw, these so called holdbacks were most likely talented (no matter what their age) enough to get college coaches attention.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out the 3D rising sophomore rankings. They give birth dates. Very interesting. Remember that on LI the cutoff is early December so kids shouldn't be 16 until then. Some of the kids listed are already 16

Colin munro is a holdback! Wow
#rich daddy #cheater

Not a shocker for those of us in Fla a couple of years ago at a 3D/Jake Reed event. Munro told all of us in a seminar to leave our kids back.

Isn't that swell of him to spend $50k of somebody else's money for a holdback year.

Wow, that is just terrible! Lost all respect for 3D. I guess he had no faith in his son and decided to manipulate the system. Whatever it takes! Sad!

Wow! 5 of the top 10 on 3D list are already 16 - can't hack it in their own age group, sons of cheating parents.

no doubt these kids are good players, but in all fairness the attention and opportunities they have received comes with sneaky advantage their parents bought for them.

sad thing is that they very likely would have earned the attention of coaches had they stayed in their appropriate age group, but instead parents allow them to succeed at the expense of someone else. anyone ever think the the offers these kids get could rightfully go to a similarly talented player of appropriate age.

congrats mom and dad, you helped steal some 14-15 year boys scholarship opportunity. take from a hard working, skilled, dedicated, talented boy who does not cheat...shameful!

The worst part for me is that daddy Munro is a very prominent figure in youth sports. Absolutely unbelievable. Ethics out the window.

Yes, it has and this is not new. Maybe lacrosse used to the niche sport where coaches went to the hotbeds areas to recruit players. It was easy. But the college landscape has changed and not just lacrosse. With common app came exponentially more college applications which created higher competition. Being recruited was a sure way for entrance into these elite schools. Also Lacrosse is no longer just a spring sport, it's year round. ICollege has fall ball, spring season and summer playing in tournaments. It is a full time job. and trust me when I say only the best and brightest student athletes survive. As a result of the growth of the sport, college coaches just don't have to wait for a player to mature. They just don't. Don't shoot the messenger but it is what it is. Stop blaming whomever and whatever and support you're child and his dreams. Most importantly are grades. Coaches notice this first and foremost. Regardless of talent if your kid has a 99 average coaches will notice IMMEDIATELY. CANT BLAME THAT ON ANYONE? Or do you blame all the kids that do have that with cheating because they have tutors and put academics first? If there is something to help you're child then do it. If his age is an issue then do something about it. There are options. But for the love of god, stop crying.

In the real money sports like basketball, football, and baseball when kids reclassify they somehow enter the next grade up so that they can get out of high school earlier. The #1 basketball player in the class of 2016 just did it and it's happening a lot now.

Amen. People have to stop complaining about reclassified kids. There are plenty of reclassified kids on both those lists of top 2017's. Most college coaches preferred to take reclassified kids. Munro runs a very successful enterprise. He is not being hypocritical he will tell you to do the same thing that he did with his son. And it makes no difference because once they get the college they will be mixed with older kids who did postgraduate years red shirts etc. and you're either going to have to perform or you're going to have to sit on the bench. So in the Long run it really doesn't matter . Life is not fair. Some people look for advantages. You also notice that every guy who runs a lacrosse enterprise of one sort or another always manages to put their sons in great spots. That's just the way it is. Some people have businesses they can hand off to their children some people have great jobs that can allow them to place there's kids in great jobs. Other people have to do things the hard way. This is been going on since the beginning of time you have to stop complaining about it and move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, it has and this is not new. Maybe lacrosse used to the niche sport where coaches went to the hotbeds areas to recruit players. It was easy. But the college landscape has changed and not just lacrosse. With common app came exponentially more college applications which created higher competition. Being recruited was a sure way for entrance into these elite schools. Also Lacrosse is no longer just a spring sport, it's year round. ICollege has fall ball, spring season and summer playing in tournaments. It is a full time job. and trust me when I say only the best and brightest student athletes survive. As a result of the growth of the sport, college coaches just don't have to wait for a player to mature. They just don't. Don't shoot the messenger but it is what it is. Stop blaming whomever and whatever and support you're child and his dreams. Most importantly are grades. Coaches notice this first and foremost. Regardless of talent if your kid has a 99 average coaches will notice IMMEDIATELY. CANT BLAME THAT ON ANYONE? Or do you blame all the kids that do have that with cheating because they have tutors and put academics first? If there is something to help you're child then do it. If his age is an issue then do something about it. There are options. But for the love of god, stop crying.

Some bank robbers & drug dealers support their kids with their efforts... is that ok too?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amen. People have to stop complaining about reclassified kids. There are plenty of reclassified kids on both those lists of top 2017's. Most college coaches preferred to take reclassified kids. Munro runs a very successful enterprise. He is not being hypocritical he will tell you to do the same thing that he did with his son. And it makes no difference because once they get the college they will be mixed with older kids who did postgraduate years red shirts etc. and you're either going to have to perform or you're going to have to sit on the bench. So in the Long run it really doesn't matter . Life is not fair. Some people look for advantages. You also notice that every guy who runs a lacrosse enterprise of one sort or another always manages to put their sons in great spots. That's just the way it is. Some people have businesses they can hand off to their children some people have great jobs that can allow them to place there's kids in great jobs. Other people have to do things the hard way. This is been going on since the beginning of time you have to stop complaining about it and move on

Looks like you're right. Turtle star is heldback too if you look at birthdate. Should be in 11th

What if you can't afford to hold your kid back ?? Grow the sport, go into the poor towns and give the kids equipment and training. Then hold your kid back so these other kids have even more of an disadvantage than before. HYPOCRITES!!! NOT ETHICAL!!

On the IL list Top 25 and watch list only 14 Boys from Long Island. The sport is gaining in other areas now. Expect to see that number drop each year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amen. People have to stop complaining about reclassified kids. There are plenty of reclassified kids on both those lists of top 2017's. Most college coaches preferred to take reclassified kids. Munro runs a very successful enterprise. He is not being hypocritical he will tell you to do the same thing that he did with his son. And it makes no difference because once they get the college they will be mixed with older kids who did postgraduate years red shirts etc. and you're either going to have to perform or you're going to have to sit on the bench. So in the Long run it really doesn't matter . Life is not fair. Some people look for advantages. You also notice that every guy who runs a lacrosse enterprise of one sort or another always manages to put their sons in great spots. That's just the way it is. Some people have businesses they can hand off to their children some people have great jobs that can allow them to place there's kids in great jobs. Other people have to do things the hard way. This is been going on since the beginning of time you have to stop complaining about it and move on

Looks like you're right. Turtle star is heldback too if you look at birthdate. Should be in 11th

Which one since they are all stars...?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, it has and this is not new. Maybe lacrosse used to the niche sport where coaches went to the hotbeds areas to recruit players. It was easy. But the college landscape has changed and not just lacrosse. With common app came exponentially more college applications which created higher competition. Being recruited was a sure way for entrance into these elite schools. Also Lacrosse is no longer just a spring sport, it's year round. ICollege has fall ball, spring season and summer playing in tournaments. It is a full time job. and trust me when I say only the best and brightest student athletes survive. As a result of the growth of the sport, college coaches just don't have to wait for a player to mature. They just don't. Don't shoot the messenger but it is what it is. Stop blaming whomever and whatever and support you're child and his dreams. Most importantly are grades. Coaches notice this first and foremost. Regardless of talent if your kid has a 99 average coaches will notice IMMEDIATELY. CANT BLAME THAT ON ANYONE? Or do you blame all the kids that do have that with cheating because they have tutors and put academics first? If there is something to help you're child then do it. If his age is an issue then do something about it. There are options. But for the love of god, stop crying.

Some bank robbers & drug dealers support their kids with their efforts... is that ok too?

Getting carried away a bit!!! Last time I checked those activities were ILLEGAL!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amen. People have to stop complaining about reclassified kids. There are plenty of reclassified kids on both those lists of top 2017's. Most college coaches preferred to take reclassified kids. Munro runs a very successful enterprise. He is not being hypocritical he will tell you to do the same thing that he did with his son. And it makes no difference because once they get the college they will be mixed with older kids who did postgraduate years red shirts etc. and you're either going to have to perform or you're going to have to sit on the bench. So in the Long run it really doesn't matter . Life is not fair. Some people look for advantages. You also notice that every guy who runs a lacrosse enterprise of one sort or another always manages to put their sons in great spots. That's just the way it is. Some people have businesses they can hand off to their children some people have great jobs that can allow them to place there's kids in great jobs. Other people have to do things the hard way. This is been going on since the beginning of time you have to stop complaining about it and move on

Looks like you're right. Turtle star is heldback too if you look at birthdate. Should be in 11th

Which one since they are all stars...?

Nothing trumps grades. Study study study

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On the IL list Top 25 and watch list only 14 Boys from Long Island. The sport is gaining in other areas now. Expect to see that number drop each year.

"Only" 14 out of 25 are from LI? Am I missing something? Considering how fast lacrosse I growing, that stat is still unreal!

Yes you are missing something, it's 14 out of the top 25+ the watch list . The majority from one team. You figure it out. Do you really think IL list is reliable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amen. People have to stop complaining about reclassified kids. There are plenty of reclassified kids on both those lists of top 2017's. Most college coaches preferred to take reclassified kids. Munro runs a very successful enterprise. He is not being hypocritical he will tell you to do the same thing that he did with his son. And it makes no difference because once they get the college they will be mixed with older kids who did postgraduate years red shirts etc. and you're either going to have to perform or you're going to have to sit on the bench. So in the Long run it really doesn't matter . Life is not fair. Some people look for advantages. You also notice that every guy who runs a lacrosse enterprise of one sort or another always manages to put their sons in great spots. That's just the way it is. Some people have businesses they can hand off to their children some people have great jobs that can allow them to place there's kids in great jobs. Other people have to do things the hard way. This is been going on since the beginning of time you have to stop complaining about it and move on

Looks like you're right. Turtle star is heldback too if you look at birthdate. Should be in 11th

Which one since they are all stars...?

Coaches son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes you are missing something, it's 14 out of the top 25+ the watch list . The majority from one team. You figure it out. Do you really think IL list is reliable.

Confused between the two list. Ty Xanders and 3D list. Not much consistency between the two. Sure, there are a handful of players on both list ranked similar but for the most part it is really two different list.

Has to be a better system because this looks like coaches calling in favors. Been going on for years tho. Good times!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes you are missing something, it's 14 out of the top 25+ the watch list . The majority from one team. You figure it out. Do you really think IL list is reliable.

Agreed. Do you think 3D/RD is reliable? They both have puppet masters behind the scences, so obvoius and really bad the way its handled. These guys aren't evaluating these kids. They get the top 4-6 correct the rest is a political pit.

The sport is worse every year, from the holdbacks, no DOB needed for anything, the slime style of rankings & the mass amount of $$$ we all spend. Ugly stuff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amen. People have to stop complaining about reclassified kids. There are plenty of reclassified kids on both those lists of top 2017's. Most college coaches preferred to take reclassified kids. Munro runs a very successful enterprise. He is not being hypocritical he will tell you to do the same thing that he did with his son. And it makes no difference because once they get the college they will be mixed with older kids who did postgraduate years red shirts etc. and you're either going to have to perform or you're going to have to sit on the bench. So in the Long run it really doesn't matter . Life is not fair. Some people look for advantages. You also notice that every guy who runs a lacrosse enterprise of one sort or another always manages to put their sons in great spots. That's just the way it is. Some people have businesses they can hand off to their children some people have great jobs that can allow them to place there's kids in great jobs. Other people have to do things the hard way. This is been going on since the beginning of time you have to stop complaining about it and move on

Looks like you're right. Turtle star is heldback too if you look at birthdate. Should be in 11th

Which one since they are all stars...?

Coaches son.

Sorry three weeks from a December 1 cutoff doesn't strengthen your argument. June-Sept yes otherwise let. it. go.

Maverick Showtime invites out today. The best showcase camp on the market now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amen. People have to stop complaining about reclassified kids. There are plenty of reclassified kids on both those lists of top 2017's. Most college coaches preferred to take reclassified kids. Munro runs a very successful enterprise. He is not being hypocritical he will tell you to do the same thing that he did with his son. And it makes no difference because once they get the college they will be mixed with older kids who did postgraduate years red shirts etc. and you're either going to have to perform or you're going to have to sit on the bench. So in the Long run it really doesn't matter . Life is not fair. Some people look for advantages. You also notice that every guy who runs a lacrosse enterprise of one sort or another always manages to put their sons in great spots. That's just the way it is. Some people have businesses they can hand off to their children some people have great jobs that can allow them to place there's kids in great jobs. Other people have to do things the hard way. This is been going on since the beginning of time you have to stop complaining about it and move on

Looks like you're right. Turtle star is heldback too if you look at birthdate. Should be in 11th

Which one since they are all stars...?

Coaches son.

Sorry three weeks from a December 1 cutoff doesn't strengthen your argument. June-Sept yes otherwise let. it. go.

Rules are rules! Some chose to ignore them for am advantage!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes you are missing something, it's 14 out of the top 25+ the watch list . The majority from one team. You figure it out. Do you really think IL list is reliable.

Confused between the two list. Ty Xanders and 3D list. Not much consistency between the two. Sure, there are a handful of players on both list ranked similar but for the most part it is really two different list.

Has to be a better system because this looks like coaches calling in favors. Been going on for years tho. Good times!

These lists really do prove out that IL has a regional bias to Baltimore, the DC metro, Philly main line and certain club programs in LI. 3d has a significant bias to, well...3d. These are bespoke lists. Let me wonder this out loud: would Ty Xanders consider a kid who did not send in a video and also have a club and high school coach pimp it on top of? I doubt it. I am a Maryland parent and saw a good many kids from California at summer tournaments, including one local 3d Cali team that mopped the floor with Team 91. None of their players are mentioned. The 3d Cali team had a better player at each position than Team 91 save for righty attack. And I don't think Team 91 is bad, just saying when all the local biases are out we are seeing quality elsewhere that gets no IL love. This is not stating that LI kids, especially that awesome Turtles team, do not deserve their kudos. I think Ty Xanders lives with his mom and stalks MIAA freshmen in the parking lots of schools. Pedophile category stuff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Yes you are missing something, it's 14 out of the top 25+ the watch list . The majority from one team. You figure it out. Do you really think IL list is reliable.

Confused between the two list. Ty Xanders and 3D list. Not much consistency between the two. Sure, there are a handful of players on both list ranked similar but for the most part it is really two different list.

Has to be a better system because this looks like coaches calling in favors. Been going on for years tho. Good times!

These lists really do prove out that IL has a regional bias to Baltimore, the DC metro, Philly main line and certain club programs in LI. 3d has a significant bias to, well...3d. These are bespoke lists. Let me wonder this out loud: would Ty Xanders consider a kid who did not send in a video and also have a club and high school coach pimp it on top of? I doubt it. I am a Maryland parent and saw a good many kids from California at summer tournaments, including one local 3d Cali team that mopped the floor with Team 91. None of their players are mentioned. The 3d Cali team had a better player at each position than Team 91 save for righty attack. And I don't think Team 91 is bad, just saying when all the local biases are out we are seeing quality elsewhere that gets no IL love. This is not stating that LI kids, especially that awesome Turtles team, do not deserve their kudos. I think Ty Xanders lives with his mom and stalks MIAA freshmen in the parking lots of schools. Pedophile category stuff. [/quot

OK Turtle dad...

If you compare the lists not sure you can say 3-D's list was very bias. Considering they have only 3 of their players mentioned on the 3D top 30.That's hardly a bias. 3d has at least 10, 2017 teams scattered in many different states. They saw everyone play. Seems like Ty Xanders is much more limited in which players he sees

These lists really do prove out that IL has a regional bias to Baltimore, the DC metro, Philly main line and certain club programs in LI. 3d has a significant bias to, well...3d. These are bespoke lists. Let me wonder this out loud: would Ty Xanders consider a kid who did not send in a video and also have a club and high school coach pimp it on top of? I doubt it. I am a Maryland parent and saw a good many kids from California at summer tournaments, including one local 3d Cali team that mopped the floor with Team 91. None of their players are mentioned. The 3d Cali team had a better player at each position than Team 91 save for righty attack. And I don't think Team 91 is bad, just saying when all the local biases are out we are seeing quality elsewhere that gets no IL love. This is not stating that LI kids, especially that awesome Turtles team, do not deserve their kudos. I think Ty Xanders lives with his mom and stalks MIAA freshmen in the parking lots of schools. Pedophile category stuff. [/quot

OK Turtle dad... [/quote]

Not a Turtle dad, but let's face it...these two lists should have more in common than they do if the ratings are legit. Ty Xanders basically has a boy band crush on the Turtles team, and likes to kiss some Caputo butt second after that. He really thinks an MIAA kid from his alma mater is the best HS goalie since [fill in blank of last MIAA goalie who made college All-America], and he may or may not live in Ryan McClernan's basement in exchange for pumping the tires of Crabs kids. Turtles are great, Team 91 has some good players. Some of the 3d regional select teams have a few decent players, but most do not. I think the post just acknowledges that there are great LI players, but that IL and 3d both seem to be paid for PR firms for some stakeholders in the club lacrosse world. If D1 coaches rely on this, they are idiots. Coaches in every other NCAA sport can actually recruit by watching and ranking kids rather than have the tradesmen selling camps, clinics, showcases, tournaments and recruiting services telling them whose lax dad credit cards are the best. This is why Loyola and Cuse can win NCAAs every year with kids they scoop in as rising or current juniors. Cuse is not full because they can't get kids, let's be at least that honest. And correct me if the pre-pubes poster child UNC has won something in the last 20+ years I am not aware of.

Where can i find the 3D list?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where can i find the 3D list?

http://rising.3dlacrosse.com/3d-rising/top-30-class-2017-1-10

Wow, did the moms and dads who paid Florida + Jake Reed since 8th grade come up with this 3d list?

The only list we want is to be on the Maverick Showtime. How can that get done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only list we want is to be on the Maverick Showtime. How can that get done.

a day late and dollar short

Nice come back turtle dad.

Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.

Okay we just got a Showtime invite and my kid just verbally committed but has not taken an ACT or SAT, he is a good student but he is going to a program that requires good scores. As with all early commitments if the coach leaves he could be SOL. Do we spend the money on Showtime? I am leaning towards "yes". This early commit thing is a double edged sword. I wouldn't send him to any other showcase events.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.

Jake Reed, Jamie Munro, and company are a bunch of self promoting low life money grabbers. Jamie used the money he made off his organization to hold his own kid back. Total loser! My son never went and is top ranked. Stay away. Showtime is a much better option, classy!

So since you're posting on 2017 thread I'm guessing from your question that he was not invited last year. Based on that assumption you should know that a large majority of the 2017's LAST SUMMER that were at maverick were already committed or did so while they were there or shortly thereafter. They all still went. Was an incredible experience to meet their future teammates. I am not sure what the 2nd yr for 2017's will bring. But I say heck ya. If he does anything next summer he should so maverick.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.

Jake Reed, Jamie Munro, and company are a bunch of self promoting low life money grabbers. Jamie used the money he made off his organization to hold his own kid back. Total loser! My son never went and is top ranked. Stay away. Showtime is a much better option, classy!

Easy on JM...to correct you he used the money he collected to contract a private jet to watch the superbowl at metlife last year. Just check his tweets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.

They why did you apply? Jake Reed has been going downhill for the last few years, talk to the college coaches. Philly Showcase in the Fall, and Maverik, Black Card and Under Armour are the only showcases worth paying for for top end players in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay we just got a Showtime invite and my kid just verbally committed but has not taken an ACT or SAT, he is a good student but he is going to a program that requires good scores. As with all early commitments if the coach leaves he could be SOL. Do we spend the money on Showtime? I am leaning towards "yes". This early commit thing is a double edged sword. I wouldn't send him to any other showcase events.

Yes no quesitons asked. Will be a $695 well spent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.

Jake Reed, Jamie Munro, and company are a bunch of self promoting low life money grabbers. Jamie used the money he made off his organization to hold his own kid back. Total loser! My son never went and is top ranked. Stay away. Showtime is a much better option, classy!

Easy on JM...to correct you he used the money he collected to contract a private jet to watch the superbowl at metlife last year. Just check his tweets.

Correct. Munro also tweeted he was in some mens room at some ritzy Yacht Club a couple of weeks ago. The angry lax mom twitter rips him all the time its funny. He flaunts his $$ on twitter at times for sure, I don't follow him anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.

Jake Reed, Jamie Munro, and company are a bunch of self promoting low life money grabbers. Jamie used the money he made off his organization to hold his own kid back. Total loser! My son never went and is top ranked. Stay away. Showtime is a much better option, classy!

Easy on JM...to correct you he used the money he collected to contract a private jet to watch the superbowl at metlife last year. Just check his tweets.

Correct. Munro also tweeted he was in some mens room at some ritzy Yacht Club a couple of weeks ago. The angry lax mom twitter rips him all the time its funny. He flaunts his $$ on twitter at times for sure, I don't follow him anymore.

It's called new money. Doesn't know how to handle it but give the guy credit for making it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.

Jake Reed, Jamie Munro, and company are a bunch of self promoting low life money grabbers. Jamie used the money he made off his organization to hold his own kid back. Total loser! My son never went and is top ranked. Stay away. Showtime is a much better option, classy!

Easy on JM...to correct you he used the money he collected to contract a private jet to watch the superbowl at metlife last year. Just check his tweets.

Correct. Munro also tweeted he was in some mens room at some ritzy Yacht Club a couple of weeks ago. The angry lax mom twitter rips him all the time its funny. He flaunts his $$ on twitter at times for sure, I don't follow him anymore.

Just checked out the angry lax mom twitter. Seriously funny.

What lacrosse consumers need to realize is the golden goose right now is events. Tournaments, showcases and showcase tournaments. If there was not an NCAA rule against it, these guys would pay NCAA coaches to come to them to add to their promotion banners. Running a club is work, and not nearly all of it is cash flow to the owner. Why do you think Adrenaline, the so called kings of the apparel category in lacrosse, bought an events company over the summer? Same reason robbers rob banks; that's where the money is. I am not outraged over it, but do consider this to be pathetic and puts the sport in a pathetic light as a rich white kid's prep school kid sport. Give Jamie Munro some credit, he realized something which is recruiting has become a pay for play arena and he is setting up a toll booth between your sons and the 3d or IL hypsters and the NCAA coaches.

Go to Showtime over Jake Reed. It's much better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone's son had the misfortune of receiving the "Jake Reed" classless rejection letter?
"We are NOT extending an invite to our showcase camp" :|

Really Jake??? Is that the best word smithing you can come up with for $75 PER APPLICATION FEE... I'm guessing his editing staff doesn't have a 14 year old at home.

I hope that the lacrosse community wises up to total exploitation by Jake.

Jake Reed, Jamie Munro, and company are a bunch of self promoting low life money grabbers. Jamie used the money he made off his organization to hold his own kid back. Total loser! My son never went and is top ranked. Stay away. Showtime is a much better option, classy!

Easy on JM...to correct you he used the money he collected to contract a private jet to watch the superbowl at metlife last year. Just check his tweets.

Correct. Munro also tweeted he was in some mens room at some ritzy Yacht Club a couple of weeks ago. The angry lax mom twitter rips him all the time its funny. He flaunts his $$ on twitter at times for sure, I don't follow him anymore.

Just checked out the angry lax mom twitter. Seriously funny.

I just read a bunch of the old post along with the photos she posted! OMG. lol.

Is there a comprehensive list of verbally committed 2017s anywhere? The one on IL does not seem to have been updated recently.

2018 parent here - looking for feedback on the Fab Frosh Lacrosse Showcase. Any one attend in 2014? Worthwhile? Thanks for any thoughts

My son went and enjoyed it there were a lot of coaches not all d1 but had great experience

We went last year and the year before with my other son. The first year it was great. Last year, not so great and I don't think I'm taking my son to Supersophs this year. I thought that there was only a handful of coaches there and they only stayed between two fields. Therefore, your son only really got exposure from one game. My opinion is that it is not worth wasting another summer day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We went last year and the year before with my other son. The first year it was great. Last year, not so great and I don't think I'm taking my son to Supersophs this year. I thought that there was only a handful of coaches there and they only stayed between two fields. Therefore, your son only really got exposure from one game. My opinion is that it is not worth wasting another summer day.

My son went this summer as a freshman. He didn't think there were a lot of coaches. He wont be going to SuperSophs - his choice.

My son also went to Fab Frosh. Not a lot of coaches, crappy fields, too many kids. He will not be going to Super Sophs

We were pleased and going to supersophs. Fun day of lacrosse

fab frosh was great. my son made all-star team, already signed up for duper sophs

Fab frosh is a great first recruiting tournament to experience. They take 250 boys.

Long Island High School Senior Cut From Football For Being Too Old

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/09...ior-cut-from-football-for-being-too-old/

Express and 91 encourage him to take up lax and reclassify as a 2017. MIAA is sending the recruit squad "how'd we miss this guy"

Does anyone know of any 2017 teams that are going to the Fall Terrapin Classic? Do many recruiters attend this event?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island High School Senior Cut From Football For Being Too Old

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/09...ior-cut-from-football-for-being-too-old/

Express and 91 encourage him to take up lax and reclassify as a 2017. MIAA is sending the recruit squad "how'd we miss this guy"

Family moved to Maryland and he is now a Sophmore

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know of any 2017 teams that are going to the Fall Terrapin Classic? Do many recruiters attend this event?

Well attended, many of the top Md clubs play in this event

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island High School Senior Cut From Football For Being Too Old

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/09...ior-cut-from-football-for-being-too-old/

Express and 91 encourage him to take up lax and reclassify as a 2017. MIAA is sending the recruit squad "how'd we miss this guy"

This is sad- exceptions should be made in individual cases, especially since the kid had such a rough start and his height/weight wouldn't jeopardize any other student. I hope he can appeal.

The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.

Interesting! How did the turtle boys do? Only one I heard did anything was unranked/uncommitted one #scam

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.

Interesting! How did the turtle boys do? Only one I heard did anything was unranked/uncommitted one #scam

You heard wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.

Who were the points leaders from each team? Looked at a twitter feed of game and only saw the two highly ranked most famous turtles name once. Like 1 goal each in game looks like several non turtle names got the most points except the turtle who is not ranked/committed who was there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.

The bottom line is IL rankings reflect the LI and Maryland overbearing influences of the club and prep school programs. The bottom line on 3d is their list reflects a Daddy payments All-America team to 3d events...BFE 64, Blue Chip, JR, etc. There are likely tons of great players in Canada, Florida, California, etc. going to tournaments and outplaying the hot bed kids and wondering why they are not getting noticed. What does Ty Xanders do now? He does not seem to be employed by anyone. Is he basically a freelance events writer? Gee, THAT would not look like a conflict of interest to take pay from guys running Philly Showcase or whatever to do write ups pumping their kids up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.

Interesting! How did the turtle boys do? Only one I heard did anything was unranked/uncommitted one #scam

You heard wrong.

Ok, so let's hear the stats!!
Unless of course they are not flattering for your son

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.

The bottom line is IL rankings reflect the LI and Maryland overbearing influences of the club and prep school programs. The bottom line on 3d is their list reflects a Daddy payments All-America team to 3d events...BFE 64, Blue Chip, JR, etc. There are likely tons of great players in Canada, Florida, California, etc. going to tournaments and outplaying the hot bed kids and wondering why they are not getting noticed. What does Ty Xanders do now? He does not seem to be employed by anyone. Is he basically a freelance events writer? Gee, THAT would not look like a conflict of interest to take pay from guys running Philly Showcase or whatever to do write ups pumping their kids up.

He works for a big LI daddy now!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.

The bottom line is IL rankings reflect the LI and Maryland overbearing influences of the club and prep school programs. The bottom line on 3d is their list reflects a Daddy payments All-America team to 3d events...BFE 64, Blue Chip, JR, etc. There are likely tons of great players in Canada, Florida, California, etc. going to tournaments and outplaying the hot bed kids and wondering why they are not getting noticed. What does Ty Xanders do now? He does not seem to be employed by anyone. Is he basically a freelance events writer? Gee, THAT would not look like a conflict of interest to take pay from guys running Philly Showcase or whatever to do write ups pumping their kids up.

Agree with you. There are also great Maryland, Long Island & Philly kids that were left off those list besides the kids from Canada, Fla, California etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.

The bottom line is IL rankings reflect the LI and Maryland overbearing influences of the club and prep school programs. The bottom line on 3d is their list reflects a Daddy payments All-America team to 3d events...BFE 64, Blue Chip, JR, etc. There are likely tons of great players in Canada, Florida, California, etc. going to tournaments and outplaying the hot bed kids and wondering why they are not getting noticed. What does Ty Xanders do now? He does not seem to be employed by anyone. Is he basically a freelance events writer? Gee, THAT would not look like a conflict of interest to take pay from guys running Philly Showcase or whatever to do write ups pumping their kids up.

He works for a big LI daddy now!

Really??? You mean physically big or $$$ big or both?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.

The bottom line is IL rankings reflect the LI and Maryland overbearing influences of the club and prep school programs. The bottom line on 3d is their list reflects a Daddy payments All-America team to 3d events...BFE 64, Blue Chip, JR, etc. There are likely tons of great players in Canada, Florida, California, etc. going to tournaments and outplaying the hot bed kids and wondering why they are not getting noticed. What does Ty Xanders do now? He does not seem to be employed by anyone. Is he basically a freelance events writer? Gee, THAT would not look like a conflict of interest to take pay from guys running Philly Showcase or whatever to do write ups pumping their kids up.

He works for a big LI daddy now!

Really??? You mean physically big or $$$ big or both?

$$$$, Rumor is!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.

The bottom line is IL rankings reflect the LI and Maryland overbearing influences of the club and prep school programs. The bottom line on 3d is their list reflects a Daddy payments All-America team to 3d events...BFE 64, Blue Chip, JR, etc. There are likely tons of great players in Canada, Florida, California, etc. going to tournaments and outplaying the hot bed kids and wondering why they are not getting noticed. What does Ty Xanders do now? He does not seem to be employed by anyone. Is he basically a freelance events writer? Gee, THAT would not look like a conflict of interest to take pay from guys running Philly Showcase or whatever to do write ups pumping their kids up.

He works for a big LI daddy now!

Really??? You mean physically big or $$$ big or both?

$$$$, Rumor is!

So who is it? Why is it such a secret? People have asked him on twitter when he refers to his new job and he ignores the question. Sort of makes it more interesting, as to why he talks of his new job, but does not want to disclose what he is doing. Anyway, I for one like his banter. Do not think he rules the world like some do- but he has a sarcastic edge that I like. I wish him luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.

The bottom line is IL rankings reflect the LI and Maryland overbearing influences of the club and prep school programs. The bottom line on 3d is their list reflects a Daddy payments All-America team to 3d events...BFE 64, Blue Chip, JR, etc. There are likely tons of great players in Canada, Florida, California, etc. going to tournaments and outplaying the hot bed kids and wondering why they are not getting noticed. What does Ty Xanders do now? He does not seem to be employed by anyone. Is he basically a freelance events writer? Gee, THAT would not look like a conflict of interest to take pay from guys running Philly Showcase or whatever to do write ups pumping their kids up.

He works for a big LI daddy now!

Really??? You mean physically big or $$$ big or both?

$$$$, Rumor is!

So who is it? Why is it such a secret? People have asked him on twitter when he refers to his new job and he ignores the question. Sort of makes it more interesting, as to why he talks of his new job, but does not want to disclose what he is doing. Anyway, I for one like his banter. Do not think he rules the world like some do- but he has a sarcastic edge that I like. I wish him luck.

I agree, like the guy, I'm sure it will come out soon, then let the floodgates open!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.

Could be because he just became a 2017 even though he is in grade 11. Thought 2017's were in grade 10, so yeah, that kinda makes me scratch my head a bit!

What does it say about the credibility of a sport when a kid a few years out of high school who neither played high school or college level lacrosse is the most widely followed expert in the sport?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ""2017 USA" team lost to Canada by a goal in OT. It was a very good game! A young man from Canada, Cam Garlin had SIX goals including the game winner. He was never ranked, watch list or mentioned by either Ty Xanders or 3D guy. Garlin is not committed either. Kinda makes you scratch your head a bit.

Could be because he just became a 2017 even though he is in grade 11. Thought 2017's were in grade 10, so yeah, that kinda makes me scratch my head a bit!

Obviously your son is VERY good because he made the Stars and stripes team. So I assume your boy must play varsity, aren't those JRs & SRs older in school ball also? Stop crying already.

If you were to ask those who follow other sports what they thought of a twentysomething year-old who barely played high school lacrosse never coached the game and never graduated college or play the game in college their thoughts on his rankings of high school players as the "standard". They would look at you and say you are NUTS!!! Wake up people!!

And if you can't figure out who's writing his checks. We could all give a darn good guess.
Interesting that he also that he covered Stars and Stripes . There are a lot of turtles on that roster? I guess they have their own PR person now. Who even heard of the Stars and Stripes before today when Ty Xanders covered it. This is getting silly now

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does it say about the credibility of a sport when a kid a few years out of high school who neither played high school or college level lacrosse is the most widely followed expert in the sport?

Bingo. It is mind boggling, yet sad at the same time. Now he's "getting paid" apparently, but from who??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you were to ask those who follow other sports what they thought of a twentysomething year-old who barely played high school lacrosse never coached the game and never graduated college or play the game in college their thoughts on his rankings of high school players as the "standard". They would look at you and say you are NUTS!!! Wake up people!!

And if you can't figure out who's writing his checks. We could all give a darn good guess.
Interesting that he also that he covered Stars and Stripes . There are a lot of turtles on that roster? I guess they have their own PR person now. Who even heard of the Stars and Stripes before today when Ty Xanders covered it. This is getting silly now

Mystery solved! Agenda acomplished, even if the kid of interest wasn't mentioned

So Ty Xanders is getting a nice discount on underwear and chewable Gatorade jellies at Lacrosse Unlimited now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does it say about the credibility of a sport when a kid a few years out of high school who neither played high school or college level lacrosse is the most widely followed expert in the sport?

The kid loves covering lacrosse, not sure what the problem with that is.
More concerning is behavior of all Narcissist parents who beat him up because you can't fathom your kids aren't that good, and didn't get ranked. OK your kid committed early #sofknwhat.

Agreed. Never really thought about it. But you are right. No offense to him, he is just a kid. Inside lacrosse should be called out on this one.

If tbe game continues to grow, iInside Lacrosse will be taken over by more credible people. Right now it's just Lacrosse.....a pathway to getting into a better college, nothing more

He can love covering lacrosse all he wants, but as the other posters have said it still doesn't make him credible. And I don't even have a kid that's old enough to be written about yet. It just goes to show that lacrosse has a long way to go to compete with other sports

The kid????? Exactly the Kid. The kids themselves would do a better job ranking themselves. They actually play the game. Almost all of them will actually play in college and graduate.

It doesn't sound like anybody is beating this guy up. But I would agree that these are the facts. Besides if you are going to write aboult kids as young as 13 years old you better be able to take constructive criticism from the parents. If this is beating him up then you are supporting what the rest of the posters are saying in that there is a real issue with credibility and transparency. People should be accountable shouldn't they.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does it say about the credibility of a sport when a kid a few years out of high school who neither played high school or college level lacrosse is the most widely followed expert in the sport?

The kid loves covering lacrosse, not sure what the problem with that is.
More concerning is behavior of all Narcissist parents who beat him up because you can't fathom your kids aren't that good, and didn't get ranked. OK your kid committed early #sofknwhat.

Gotta be Ty himself answering that ^ in the third person. Too much animosity and defensive posturing. Don't think for a moment he or his minions (or employers) aren't reading these posts. Didn't know he did not play HS lax or college lax. That is very lame and weak.

(BTW; the correct use of the word would have been, narcissistic; as in, they are narcissistic, and, he is a narcissist. Where exactly did you get your journalistic degree?)

There are some very informed middle aged men who play fantasy football. Do NFL coaches listen to them? It is possible to contribute something great for a sport with no legit background in it. Bill James was a night owl security guard in a factory and with all his time to kill boredom he invented a way of looking at baseball through different mathematical formulas. That is not the case with IL or Ty Xanders. Our son plays on a pretty high level club team in Maryland and it is pretty much ALWAYS determined before the tournaments which kids need props or a shout out. Yes, the best players will get noticed. But what also happens on our own team is kids who can't play / hide in the system of a good club team get props as needed to boost their college placement. On our own team we have seen kids get Ty Xanders write ups which can only be explained by the King Crab telling him is needs to be so. As they say, it is good to be king. The real question is do college coaches really take the inputs from Ty Xanders and rely on them for evaluations? That would be a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does it say about the credibility of a sport when a kid a few years out of high school who neither played high school or college level lacrosse is the most widely followed expert in the sport?

The kid loves covering lacrosse, not sure what the problem with that is.
More concerning is behavior of all Narcissist parents who beat him up because you can't fathom your kids aren't that good, and didn't get ranked. OK your kid committed early #sofknwhat.

"The Kid" covering lacrosse has a lot of power from behind a laptop. If he played the game, understood it, watched the showcases and gave his honest opinion, hey great gig, good for him. When he gets his information regarding said "Top 25 players" from the same influential coaches, it isn't right. I'm not a narcissist (or narcissistic) but, my kid is pretty good. I've been at top recruiting showcases and have seen many of these kids play and some absolutely belong on these lists but, there are so many that are being "plugged" (over and over and over again) that don't belong on that list. It would be nice to have a "non-influenced" "Kid" write for lacrosse. How great would it be to have some honesty at each showcase "so and so didn't have a great tournament but, where the heck did this kid come from?" That happens all of the time and its never written about honestly. TY keeps blowing smoke up the same kids/coaches butts.

My son was on USA 2016 and I watched the 2017 game. Needless to say Cam Garlin is 6'2 maybe 6'3,left attack monster. He plays a lot like Mark Matthews and throws some big fakes. He had a goal he beat his defender on the wing swim dodged 2 more players and shot the ball to the top corner. Who knows why this kid is not ranked in the top 10 anywhere.

It is well known that Ty Xanders will write about any kid who's influential lacrosse dad will either give him a meal or perk.. Everyone knows this. Everyone has seen it it's out in the open. Who cares. Coaches don't listen to him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does it say about the credibility of a sport when a kid a few years out of high school who neither played high school or college level lacrosse is the most widely followed expert in the sport?

The kid loves covering lacrosse, not sure what the problem with that is.
More concerning is behavior of all Narcissist parents who beat him up because you can't fathom your kids aren't that good, and didn't get ranked. OK your kid committed early #sofknwhat.

"The Kid" covering lacrosse has a lot of power from behind a laptop. If he played the game, understood it, watched the showcases and gave his honest opinion, hey great gig, good for him. When he gets his information regarding said "Top 25 players" from the same influential coaches, it isn't right. I'm not a narcissist (or narcissistic) but, my kid is pretty good. I've been at top recruiting showcases and have seen many of these kids play and some absolutely belong on these lists but, there are so many that are being "plugged" (over and over and over again) that don't belong on that list. It would be nice to have a "non-influenced" "Kid" write for lacrosse. How great would it be to have some honesty at each showcase "so and so didn't have a great tournament but, where the heck did this kid come from?" That happens all of the time and its never written about honestly. TY keeps blowing smoke up the same kids/coaches butts.

The 4 you need to know:

Because Ty Xanders is getting paid by rich dads who are paranoid & living vicariously through their sons.

Ty is getting ATTENTION by big named coaches trying to keep their D1 job.

Showcases keep him at their events as a "attraction". Kids know Ty (many of them don't respect him either)

And club owners trying to keep $$ flow w/tuitions up by pasting the committed players names on their sites.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was on USA 2016 and I watched the 2017 game. Needless to say Cam Garlin is 6'2 maybe 6'3,left attack monster. He plays a lot like Mark Matthews and throws some big fakes. He had a goal he beat his defender on the wing swim dodged 2 more players and shot the ball to the top corner. Who knows why this kid is not ranked in the top 10 anywhere.

You are correct. And there are many more like him that nobody knows! From hotbed and non hotbed areas. Meaning, RANKINGS DONT WORK. Impossible to get right. Look I was there yesterday, I saw two or three usa 2017s that were in Ty Xanders TOP 15! And they were pretty quiet all game but a couple of non ranked usa kids and a few Canadians were ON FIRE.

Canada and USA high schools differ in enrolment. All 1998 born players in Canada are in grade 11 which would make them a 2016. In USA a Sept to Dec born 1998 would be in grade 10 and a 2017. So Canadian kids born between Sept to Dec 1998 are technically 2017's.
Some Canadian club teams come down to tourneys with full rosters of 1998 born kids and play in 2016. Only to compete against 1997 born players and some 1996's that have reclassed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Canada and USA high schools differ in enrolment. All 1998 born players in Canada are in grade 11 which would make them a 2016. In USA a Sept to Dec born 1998 would be in grade 10 and a 2017. So Canadian kids born between Sept to Dec 1998 are technically 2017's.
Some Canadian club teams come down to tourneys with full rosters of 1998 born kids and play in 2016. Only to compete against 1997 born players and some 1996's that have reclassed.

Stop making excuses. They are all in High School, stop already with the "older" BS. How old are the kids on varsity your son plays with? Load of crap.

It matters if NCAA coaches rely on Ty Xanders for a qualified list of kids to target in recruiting. I have no idea to the extent NCAA coaches take his analysis as credible, but it does seem obvious that Ty is at least on the phones with them constantly and is a source of information to them. Like in everything else you have credibility until you don't. If ther are events like last weekend where top 15 ranked kids have a quiet showing and some unknowns show up and are the best on the field, then something is very wrong. We saw a 2017 goalie who is on everyone's top ten list get outplayed straight to the ground over and over this past summer by so called no-names.

These comments are definitely being made by kids who have been snubed by Ty. He gets it right for the most part. The kids he mentions mostly become the college stars. Stop complaining and work harder! He is not the only person from inside lacrosse reviewing these kids. For example, quint kessnich, case Vock and Paul carc. They all basically agree. TY also relies heavily on the opinions of college coaches. Obviously a kid can have a bad day, and a previous unknown can emerge, happens all the time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These comments are definitely being made by kids who have been snubed by Ty. He gets it right for the most part. The kids he mentions mostly become the college stars. Stop complaining and work harder! He is not the only person from inside lacrosse reviewing these kids. For example, quint kessnich, case Vock and Paul carc. They all basically agree. TY also relies heavily on the opinions of college coaches. Obviously a kid can have a bad day, and a previous unknown can emerge, happens all the time!

Lies.

He gets it right for the most part based on what, the one year he evaluated players for IL most of whom won't be in college for years to come? I think you may want to check that statement...Quint and Paul don't really get out on the recruiting tournament circuit although Paul does do Maverik Showtime. In terms of track record, yes IL did nail it with the Steele Stanwicks and the Brian Boyles back in the day. But back then the sport was a backwater played in Baltimore and LI and not scratched yet in terms of the wider scope we see today. My son is a commit but did not get ranked or watch listed by IL. Some of that may have to do that he didn't solicit it by sending emails and videos to Ty, some of it may be where Ty evaluates him although the latter is hard to fathom since we only saw Ty at a few of our games which were lopsided and my son didn't get much action on the defensive side of the field. It took a lot of layered repeating and beating into our kid who does have some pride and self esteem issues with how he is seen especially by Ty Xanders does not matter one bit. That is likely an issue for all teenage boys and especially ones who wrap a lot of their status into a sport like lacrosse where social media celebrates what 14 year olds are accomplishing with their commits. I don't care if my son is ranked or watch listed by IL this year, next year or after senior year. I care that if he does this he prepares himself to play 4 years at a high level in college and make All American in college. Every year he sees kids come home at XMas break wearing their UNC, UVA, Hop swag around their old HS gym and field to work out. I don't want my son to spend this much of his time in a sport to be a kid who doesn't see the field for 4 years and comes home every XMas and summer looking real cool in his college garb. Check the rosters guys...at least 20 names on every top 10 roster are kids who have not seen the field and many of them were rated high school guys. Whatever. I just keep telling my son what matters is you don't want to spend 30 hours a week training for lacrosse and never play in college. Do it to do it playing and making your own mark on the college program. I hope he listens, but the bottom line is this sport celebrates phony more than substance and it will be hard for him or any other kid to listen.

Screw Ty Xanders. Honestly, what does he bring besides 7,500 people who seem entertained by his Chipotle burrito pictures. If your son cares or worse you care, it is a mistake and a waste of time. College coaches may tune into his word of mouth and rumor feedback as an information source, but I doubt Ty is helping them with the lineup cards this spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was on USA 2016 and I watched the 2017 game. Needless to say Cam Garlin is 6'2 maybe 6'3,left attack monster. He plays a lot like Mark Matthews and throws some big fakes. He had a goal he beat his defender on the wing swim dodged 2 more players and shot the ball to the top corner. Who knows why this kid is not ranked in the top 10 anywhere.

If he beat his defender and swim moved 2 more it sounds like there were 2 other guys wide open?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Canada and USA high schools differ in enrolment. All 1998 born players in Canada are in grade 11 which would make them a 2016. In USA a Sept to Dec born 1998 would be in grade 10 and a 2017. So Canadian kids born between Sept to Dec 1998 are technically 2017's.
Some Canadian club teams come down to tourneys with full rosters of 1998 born kids and play in 2016. Only to compete against 1997 born players and some 1996's that have reclassed.

How are they technically 2017`s if they are in grade 11? It's a graduation year, it doesn't matter if they were born in January 1998 or December 1998, if they are in grade 11 they are 2016's. If they are in grade 10, they are 2017's. Is that Garlin kid repeating grade 10 right now? If not, why was he in the 2017 game and not the 2016 one?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Canada and USA high schools differ in enrolment. All 1998 born players in Canada are in grade 11 which would make them a 2016. In USA a Sept to Dec born 1998 would be in grade 10 and a 2017. So Canadian kids born between Sept to Dec 1998 are technically 2017's.
Some Canadian club teams come down to tourneys with full rosters of 1998 born kids and play in 2016. Only to compete against 1997 born players and some 1996's that have reclassed.

I wonder what would happen in Canada if a 98 hockey player dropped down to play 99 because he thought it would help his draft chances?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Canada and USA high schools differ in enrolment. All 1998 born players in Canada are in grade 11 which would make them a 2016. In USA a Sept to Dec born 1998 would be in grade 10 and a 2017. So Canadian kids born between Sept to Dec 1998 are technically 2017's.
Some Canadian club teams come down to tourneys with full rosters of 1998 born kids and play in 2016. Only to compete against 1997 born players and some 1996's that have reclassed.

That is true. Kindergarden is called grade 1 and then so forth and Canadian kids start school a calendar year later than US born kids do. In some US states like California, the age cut is in the fall, so October 1998 kids are 2017s.

I think the more demonstrable point was according to some at this event last weekend three "top 15" US kids, presumably local LI kids, didn't show up much and some unheard of Canadian kids played great. Any kid can have a great day or a bad day on a given day, but it does not sound to me like questioning the cronyism in the IL or Ty Xanders world is a bad thing. I wasn't there but those comments would not shock me. Ty Xanders is our local boy who will write anything for a free meal at Taco Bell.

First year of the stars and stripes event. Great one too.

Does anyone actually want to acknowledge that most of the kids he ranked are committed to top division 1 schools? They were committed before they were ranked...do you think there is a chance that these kids could actually be good players also? I guess the coaches that recruited are stupid too...How did they miss your kid?

Sorry, its all Ty's fault.

getting your facts straight is the first step. Garlin was as 2016 reclassified. Feel free to search Youtube for his video where you will see he is listed as a 2016 initially.

get your facts correct before you blame everyone and point fingers at politics

Unfortunately some Canadians have to do a PG year to get D1 offer because they are a grade ahead of their USA conterparts. College coaches are not all that interested in 17 year olds arriving on campus in thier freshmen year.
As for hockey 98's play 98's cause they ask for birth certificates and you have to register. As for lacrosse that is not the case!!
Canadians can go to a tourney as a 15 year old (98) and play 2016 against 16 (97) and 17 (96) years olds.

Some examples of Canadians
Ethan Walker - Denver/Culver #4 inside lax, born in 97 grade 12 is a 2016.
Jeff Teat - Cornell/Hill Academy, born 97 grade 12 is a 2016.
Riley Curtis - Denver born 98 grade 11 is a 2017.

USA/Canadian
Colin Munro - NC - born 98 grade 10 is a 2017

dont matter if ya reclass or not - if ya got the skills the Coaches will find ya!!

Some of you need to start referring to your sons as Shane.

Clearly ranking now can be held again players that are not the high scorers in every game...I know that the long island boys often referred to in these blog represented 11 of the 15 goals scored by USA and I'd love to hear your thoughts on the LSM that was playing yesterday, I'd be hard pressed to think you were not impressed.

Why is it that we must bring down the kids instead of giving credit where it is due.

You are correct though, on any given day all these kids are stars and deserve the credit.

the long island boys you are referring to scored 11 of the 15 goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately some Canadians have to do a PG year to get D1 offer because they are a grade ahead of their USA conterparts. College coaches are not all that interested in 17 year olds arriving on campus in thier freshmen year.
As for hockey 98's play 98's cause they ask for birth certificates and you have to register. As for lacrosse that is not the case!!
Canadians can go to a tourney as a 15 year old (98) and play 2016 against 16 (97) and 17 (96) years olds.

Canadians are not a year ahead, they would be the same as on Long Island if no one reclassified. A true, unclassified 2017 in Canada is born in 1999. The only difference is that there is no rule about being held back if you are born in the fall. The reason it might seem like they are a year ahead is because most good lax players head to prep schools where they reclassify. Most club teams used to be on age until they started heading down to MD and realized they were playing kids 1 or two years older. And that was fine when it was rising seniors getting recruited, but now with freshmen recruiting, that one year difference shows when you play teams like the Crabs or 3d.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does it say about the credibility of a sport when a kid a few years out of high school who neither played high school or college level lacrosse is the most widely followed expert in the sport?

95 percent of sportswriters didn't play their respective sport in college! TV is different but come on guys at least rip on him for something he deserves...

100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.

Ty's report on stars and stripes just released. Only one Turtle praised. Not one you would expect so I do believe he was being fair!

Thoughts on Ty's Standout?
#1 2017- Cam Garlin, A, Canada
#1 2016- Jared Hershman, F/O, USA
#1 2015- Jake Fox, A, Canada

No good f/o guys in attendance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.

Maybe there are plenty of people missing YOUR point. There are so few people who write about lacrosse recruits, its very popular with the kids and parents, and this guy only writes on the kids he feels played well. Can you imagine if he was critical? Your point seems to be he's overlooked your stud early recruit son. #getoverit

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some examples of Canadians
Ethan Walker - Denver/Culver #4 inside lax, born in 97 grade 12 is a 2016.
Jeff Teat - Cornell/Hill Academy, born 97 grade 12 is a 2016.
Riley Curtis - Denver born 98 grade 11 is a 2017.

USA/Canadian
Colin Munro - NC - born 98 grade 10 is a 2017

dont matter if ya reclass or not - if ya got the skills the Coaches will find ya!!

Munro repeated 8th grade.

We love Ty! He gets it! Stop the hate and work harder if you want to get in with the cool kids!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some examples of Canadians
Ethan Walker - Denver/Culver #4 inside lax, born in 97 grade 12 is a 2016.
Jeff Teat - Cornell/Hill Academy, born 97 grade 12 is a 2016.
Riley Curtis - Denver born 98 grade 11 is a 2017.

USA/Canadian
Colin Munro - NC - born 98 grade 10 is a 2017

dont matter if ya reclass or not - if ya got the skills the Coaches will find ya!!

Munro repeated 8th grade.

Toolbar like his dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.

Sour Team 91 dad! Gotta love it. . .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.

Sour Team 91 dad! Gotta love it. . .

Ty is just a little lax enthusiast with a blog following. Those that can play do play. Those that can't play end up writing about it and pander to those who will help prop up his self manufactured status built off of kids who can play. Anyone who cares to can follow the best teams and write about the great players. No skills needed there, but his apparent external influences have tarnished any possible small credibility he may have had.

So who is he working for now exactly?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you were to ask those who follow other sports what they thought of a twentysomething year-old who barely played high school lacrosse never coached the game and never graduated college or play the game in college their thoughts on his rankings of high school players as the "standard". They would look at you and say you are NUTS!!! Wake up people!!

Man, then according to you this basketball kid dynamo is a bum and not credible. Talking out of your kiester it seems:

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eddf45jfjf/alex-kline/

Everybody's speculation will probably turn out to be mostly false anyway, who knows what Xandersis up to. A lot of people putting down him (or old employers IL in general) Munro, Danehy, Reed, etc without knowing them in person but wanting to take away from their reputation, knowledge or connections just because little anthony (who almost made the long island showcase, guys!!!! i swear he's good!) wasn't invited to a top event, ranked on 3d's list of 2017 michigan recruits (oh, and other players @RPDLacrosse watched at showtime/3d events/blue chip) or in Inside Lacrosse's top 50 rankings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.

How is this different than the POTUS? Running our Country with no real background or expertise. Welcome to the world of everybody gets a trophy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.

How is this different than the POTUS? Running our Country with no real background or expertise. Welcome to the world of everybody gets a trophy!

Did you just compare a college dropout lacrosse writer to the president of the united states?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.

How is this different than the POTUS? Running our Country with no real background or expertise. Welcome to the world of everybody gets a trophy!

Did you just compare a college dropout lacrosse writer to the president of the united states?

Sure did...sorry you voted for him #affirmativeaction #communityorganizer #onebigassmistake

You all are relentless. I understand he's controversial - though probably made out to be more than he actually is in reality - but he's passionate and actually does a rather good with the rankings. Can't make everyone happy and probably missed some names but that's gonna happen to anyone.

He gave up lacrosse after his freshman year but followed his volleyball passion for his entire high school career. He then 'left' the academically-rigorous Lynchburg College after one year. Seems to be long on opinions, short on accomplishments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

100% of sports writers are not 26 year olds and writing about children either. You are completely missing the point. Professional sports writers are writing about adult athletes who understand it is fair game and what comes with multimillion dollar contracts. There is accountability on both sides. Xanderss' deal is completely different. He is a 26 year old writing about young kid with no real background or expertise.

How is this different than the POTUS? Running our Country with no real background or expertise. Welcome to the world of everybody gets a trophy!

Did you just compare a college dropout lacrosse writer to the president of the united states?

Sure did...sorry you voted for him #affirmativeaction #communityorganizer #onebigassmistake

Lets stick with the facts when it comes to evaluating the accuracy of what Ty does. It's easy to find past rankings of kids and to then follow forward their college productivity to determine whether those kids pretty much worked out as Ty had ranked them or were non factors in college. Not sure what we'll find but my guess is probably a relatively equal distribution of hits and misses and a bunch that developed into stars that were ranked low or not at all. I'd also imagine that outside the top 10 the volatility of actual performance increases exponentially. Not an easy job for anybody even if Ty had more field experience but I think as a journalist looking for page views and awareness, mission accomplished in a very big way. What I like best about him and which is part of his genius is that he is never overtly critical - always positive. Like Mom always said, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything. Ty has that down to a tee.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you need to start referring to your sons as Shane.

Angrylaxmom is strangely silent�especially since the rankings came out. Wonder what is up with that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He gave up lacrosse after his freshman year but followed his volleyball passion for his entire high school career. He then 'left' the academically-rigorous Lynchburg College after one year. Seems to be long on opinions, short on accomplishments.

Lacrosse is a strange world. Everyone hangs on the pronouncements of a non-lacrosse playing college dropout turned kingmaker, and a multi-millionaire ex-lax coach whose biggest accomplishment was turning a terrible team into an okay team who chased out because his players were out of control and didn't want to play for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He gave up lacrosse after his freshman year but followed his volleyball passion for his entire high school career. He then 'left' the academically-rigorous Lynchburg College after one year. Seems to be long on opinions, short on accomplishments.

Lacrosse is a strange world. Everyone hangs on the pronouncements of a non-lacrosse playing college dropout turned kingmaker, and a multi-millionaire ex-lax coach whose biggest accomplishment was turning a terrible team into an okay team who chased out because his players were out of control and didn't want to play for him.

Huh?

3596 HS Varsity teams times lets say 25 man rosters = just under 90,000 lax players. If a quarter of those kids play club you then have 22,500 kids to evaluate. Split them into Juniors and Seniors and you have over 11,000 players at each age group to evaluate for your top 50 list.

Even if you cut this list in half thats 5,500 kids looking to make the list.

I would say Ty does an excellent job of finding talent and evaluating them. Yes some fall through the cracks cause they dont play on high end travel teams or dont go to the right showcases.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He gave up lacrosse after his freshman year but followed his volleyball passion for his entire high school career. He then 'left' the academically-rigorous Lynchburg College after one year. Seems to be long on opinions, short on accomplishments.

Lacrosse is a strange world. Everyone hangs on the pronouncements of a non-lacrosse playing college dropout turned kingmaker, and a multi-millionaire ex-lax coach whose biggest accomplishment was turning a terrible team into an okay team who chased out because his players were out of control and didn't want to play for him.

this is too funny and too true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He gave up lacrosse after his freshman year but followed his volleyball passion for his entire high school career. He then 'left' the academically-rigorous Lynchburg College after one year. Seems to be long on opinions, short on accomplishments.

Lacrosse is a strange world. Everyone hangs on the pronouncements of a non-lacrosse playing college dropout turned kingmaker, and a multi-millionaire ex-lax coach whose biggest accomplishment was turning a terrible team into an okay team who chased out because his players were out of control and didn't want to play for him.

Huh?

You don't know much about the multidimensional lacrosse world.

I was more referring to the fact that you called him a multi-millionaire. This is lacrosse, how many people are truly making millions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was more referring to the fact that you called him a multi-millionaire. This is lacrosse, how many people are truly making millions?

The are referring to a certain former D-1 coach out west who has turned the neglected non-hot beds training/club scene into a moneymaker.

You were going just fine until you used the word genius in your decription description of Ty Xanders. He is entertaining and seems to enjoy what he does. But no one cares about these rankings. There are so many college all Americans that are never ranked in high school. Of course he misses some kids. He misses hundreds. The missed kids might be better off without all the attention. He can't be everywhere, he goes to select tournaments, listens to what a few select people tell him. But it's meaningless. The one thing it could be is much more objective you could take the kids that go to the top showcases who make the All-Star teams and the MVPs over each year not just most recent summer circuit. That would be a start. But it is really not worth the time. If it was someone else would be doing it.

No one cares about high school lacrosse rankings . Your kids Rank in SCHOOL iis want really matters. And the only lacrosse ranking that matters is your college coach's ranking and your place on the team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You were going just fine until you used the word genius in your decription description of Ty Xanders. He is entertaining and seems to enjoy what he does. But no one cares about these rankings. There are so many college all Americans that are never ranked in high school. Of course he misses some kids. He misses hundreds. The missed kids might be better off without all the attention. He can't be everywhere, he goes to select tournaments, listens to what a few select people tell him. But it's meaningless. The one thing it could be is much more objective you could take the kids that go to the top showcases who make the All-Star teams and the MVPs over each year not just most recent summer circuit. That would be a start. But it is really not worth the time. If it was someone else would be doing it.

No one cares about high school lacrosse rankings . Your kids Rank in SCHOOL iis want really matters. And the only lacrosse ranking that matters is your college coach's ranking and your place on the team

Sad to say but I was at a golf outing and a club director was on the phone with ty giving him names to write up before the event even took place

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you think maybe parents are exaggerating the % they repeat was offered to their son? A lot of kids get a proud parent brag scholarship as one assistant coach said. $1000 a year to say you are a scholarship athlete is worth a million to the parents and the kids. Some kids get a big % offer but most can't get much. 12.6 is all they have to give out.

So if the coach has 12.6 and 48 players each get about 1/4. If he has some geniuses he gives nothing to those kids because they can get more just academic, and if has some very rich kids he makes them pay full-frieght so daddy can brag that junior plays D1 lax. If a parent can pay for ING let's assume they can pay tuition. Simple math says you can make it work depending on how much they want the player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you need to start referring to your sons as Shane.

Angrylaxmom is strangely silent�especially since the rankings came out. Wonder what is up with that?

Yes. I been missing those tweets. When did the rankings come out? Her last tweet was Sept 17 according to the twitter account.

Of course he does. It's a joke. Everyone knows its a joke. Even the kids laugh about it. No one cares. The sad thing certain people pay him to do it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you need to start referring to your sons as Shane.

Angrylaxmom is strangely silent�especially since the rankings came out. Wonder what is up with that?

Yes. I been missing those tweets. When did the rankings come out? Her last tweet was Sept 17 according to the twitter account.

Looks like Ty Xanders rankings came out sept 8

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sad to say but I was at a golf outing and a club director was on the phone with ty giving him names to write up before the event even took place

Have you ever thought of the fact that maybe Ty was just getting names of kids to focus on and watch? Insane interpretation on your end, big dawg!

I don't think IL would have ever let him take money from club teams like it was suggested earlier, especially considering their new events business they've established (yeah right) to take over the summer and fall circuit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sad to say but I was at a golf outing and a club director was on the phone with ty giving him names to write up before the event even took place

Have you ever thought of the fact that maybe Ty was just getting names of kids to focus on and watch? Insane interpretation on your end, big dawg!

I don't think IL would have ever let him take money from club teams like it was suggested earlier, especially considering their new events business they've established (yeah right) to take over the summer and fall circuit.

I wouldn't think parents would hold kids back so they could maybe play D1 lacrosse at a crappy school.

I wouldn't think parents would pay $50K + to send a kid to a prep school so maybe he could play D!.

I wouldn't think coaches would put ringers on teams so they would win.

I wouldn't think club coaches would make a promise to a kid he was going to be on a national team only to pay a hefty fee and ride the bench on the local team.

I wouldn't think��.blah blah blah.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sad to say but I was at a golf outing and a club director was on the phone with ty giving him names to write up before the event even took place

Have you ever thought of the fact that maybe Ty was just getting names of kids to focus on and watch? Insane interpretation on your end, big dawg!

I don't think IL would have ever let him take money from club teams like it was suggested earlier, especially considering their new events business they've established (yeah right) to take over the summer and fall circuit.

I wouldn't think parents would hold kids back so they could maybe play D1 lacrosse at a crappy school.

I wouldn't think parents would pay $50K + to send a kid to a prep school so maybe he could play D!.

I wouldn't think coaches would put ringers on teams so they would win.

I wouldn't think club coaches would make a promise to a kid he was going to be on a national team only to pay a hefty fee and ride the bench on the local team.

I wouldn't think��.blah blah blah.

In the sport's current climate, I WOULD think that would all of happen. Bad point to try and throw a kid under the bus. I'm sure he knows that he can't always be right but I think you're way off base.

What is he even doing now full time?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You all are relentless. I understand he's controversial - though probably made out to be more than he actually is in reality - but he's passionate and actually does a rather good with the rankings. Can't make everyone happy and probably missed some names but that's gonna happen to anyone.

Ty Xanders is not controversial, he isn't relevant or revered enough to be. Its so funny, a great sport with amazing tradition, a sport with super talented kids having fun playing!
And many of these kids moms & dads are upper class wealthy successful intelligent people who went to outstanding schools with now great careers! Big giant homes, fancy expensive cars, multiple homes & impressive lifestyles!

But yet, a kid who tweets about his excitement to go see "Bassnectar" in concert at Madison Square Garden is able to consume your lives! For some reason he has a "voice" and a couple of dads behind him.

Its nuts.

Awesome rant!!! Could not agree more. The sport demands better. The kids deserve better

You are right it's crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You all are relentless. I understand he's controversial - though probably made out to be more than he actually is in reality - but he's passionate and actually does a rather good with the rankings. Can't make everyone happy and probably missed some names but that's gonna happen to anyone.

Ty Xanders is not controversial, he isn't relevant or revered enough to be. Its so funny, a great sport with amazing tradition, a sport with super talented kids having fun playing!
And many of these kids moms & dads are upper class wealthy successful intelligent people who went to outstanding schools with now great careers! Big giant homes, fancy expensive cars, multiple homes & impressive lifestyles!

But yet, a kid who tweets about his excitement to go see "Bassnectar" in concert at Madison Square Garden is able to consume your lives! For some reason he has a "voice" and a couple of dads behind him.

Its nuts.

Great post. How about the Ty Xanders tweets of Solo red cups of brew he is enjoying at Baltimore Orioles games he is attending? Isn't it great that this guy is the "main" reporter/player evaluator in High School age lacrosse players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You all are relentless. I understand he's controversial - though probably made out to be more than he actually is in reality - but he's passionate and actually does a rather good with the rankings. Can't make everyone happy and probably missed some names but that's gonna happen to anyone.

Ty Xanders is not controversial, he isn't relevant or revered enough to be. Its so funny, a great sport with amazing tradition, a sport with super talented kids having fun playing!
And many of these kids moms & dads are upper class wealthy successful intelligent people who went to outstanding schools with now great careers! Big giant homes, fancy expensive cars, multiple homes & impressive lifestyles!

But yet, a kid who tweets about his excitement to go see "Bassnectar" in concert at Madison Square Garden is able to consume your lives! For some reason he has a "voice" and a couple of dads behind him.

Its nuts.

Great post. How about the Ty Xanders tweets of Solo red cups of brew he is enjoying at Baltimore Orioles games he is attending? Isn't it great that this guy is the "main" reporter/player evaluator in High School age lacrosse players.

News flash, kids enjoying solo red cups on their college visits, moron!
Stop looking for reason to bash Ty, you appear as a jealous loser

Karma is a b*tch; as they say, Isnt it Ty?

The curtain has been pulled back and the troll pulling the levers of influence over you has been revealed. The facade being lifted once and for all.

Pretty much puts a wet blanket on your plans to continue to "write" and become both an ambassador for the sport and a potential spokesman for the company that hired you.

Nonetheless, you had a good run.

Now be gone.

Oh poor lax dad...they keep talking about how ridiculous it is that this guy is reporting on kids. Never has there been such agreement on Back of the Cage!!!!
Pretty impressive

Dr. J - give it a rest!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You all are relentless. I understand he's controversial - though probably made out to be more than he actually is in reality - but he's passionate and actually does a rather good with the rankings. Can't make everyone happy and probably missed some names but that's gonna happen to anyone.

Ty Xanders is not controversial, he isn't relevant or revered enough to be. Its so funny, a great sport with amazing tradition, a sport with super talented kids having fun playing!
And many of these kids moms & dads are upper class wealthy successful intelligent people who went to outstanding schools with now great careers! Big giant homes, fancy expensive cars, multiple homes & impressive lifestyles!

But yet, a kid who tweets about his excitement to go see "Bassnectar" in concert at Madison Square Garden is able to consume your lives! For some reason he has a "voice" and a couple of dads behind him.

Its nuts.

Great post. How about the Ty Xanders tweets of Solo red cups of brew he is enjoying at Baltimore Orioles games he is attending? Isn't it great that this guy is the "main" reporter/player evaluator in High School age lacrosse players.

News flash, kids enjoying solo red cups on their college visits, moron!
Stop looking for reason to bash Ty, you appear as a jealous loser

No one needs to LOOK for a reason to BASH Ty, he bashes himself constantly with out even knowing it. He's immature and not qualifited for the role he had with IL. I have no reason to be jealous of anyone, but I think many of us have a problem with someone promoting DRINKING that is writing/covering about underage kids.

As far as your stupid [lacrosse] comment about red cups at college visits, speaks volumes of the type of parent you are.

BTW- why are you assuming that anyone who knocks Ty Xanders that it means their kid wasn't ranked? ? Should I respect or agree with Ty's role in the lacrosse community just because he ranked my kid? NO, I dont! Its called MORALS.

Quint K, Paul Carc, Chris Mortensen (NFL), Peter King (SI), Buster Olney (MLB), Adan Schefter (NFL)- I doubt any of these top sports analyst/reporters would come off as immature on social media or act a fool. Lacrosse is GROWING, we need the men covering the sport to be mature credible professionals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You all are relentless. I understand he's controversial - though probably made out to be more than he actually is in reality - but he's passionate and actually does a rather good with the rankings. Can't make everyone happy and probably missed some names but that's gonna happen to anyone.

Ty Xanders is not controversial, he isn't relevant or revered enough to be. Its so funny, a great sport with amazing tradition, a sport with super talented kids having fun playing!
And many of these kids moms & dads are upper class wealthy successful intelligent people who went to outstanding schools with now great careers! Big giant homes, fancy expensive cars, multiple homes & impressive lifestyles!

But yet, a kid who tweets about his excitement to go see "Bassnectar" in concert at Madison Square Garden is able to consume your lives! For some reason he has a "voice" and a couple of dads behind him.

Its nuts.

Great post. How about the Ty Xanders tweets of Solo red cups of brew he is enjoying at Baltimore Orioles games he is attending? Isn't it great that this guy is the "main" reporter/player evaluator in High School age lacrosse players.

News flash, kids enjoying solo red cups on their college visits, moron!
Stop looking for reason to bash Ty, you appear as a jealous loser

No one needs to LOOK for a reason to BASH Ty, he bashes himself constantly with out even knowing it. He's immature and not qualifited for the role he had with IL. I have no reason to be jealous of anyone, but I think many of us have a problem with someone promoting DRINKING that is writing/covering about underage kids.

As far as your stupid [lacrosse] comment about red cups at college visits, speaks volumes of the type of parent you are.

BTW- why are you assuming that anyone who knocks Ty Xanders that it means their kid wasn't ranked? ? Should I respect or agree with Ty's role in the lacrosse community just because he ranked my kid? NO, I dont! Its called MORALS.

Quint K, Paul Carc, Chris Mortensen (NFL), Peter King (SI), Buster Olney (MLB), Adan Schefter (NFL)- I doubt any of these top sports analyst/reporters would come off as immature on social media or act a fool. Lacrosse is GROWING, we need the men covering the sport to be mature credible professionals.

If only there were more mature, credible professionals in every walk of life.

Is it not legal for 24 year olds to have a beer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it not legal for 24 year olds to have a beer?

Yes without a doubt! But not flaunting it on your social media account where you know there are 1000's of Middle School and HS players following you. That's not illegal either, but its very unprofessional, immature & bad judgment from a person who is involved heavily with HS Sports.

I have a question for you, do you feel Ty Xanders is a public figure?

It's is legal to drink if you are over 21 and most of the coaches and parents do it at the tournaments. Relax, nobody is suggesting young kids should drink. Is that all you got?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's is legal to drink if you are over 21 and most of the coaches and parents do it at the tournaments. Relax, nobody is suggesting young kids should drink. Is that all you got?

Actually, is that all YOU got? The poster makes all those valid points and thats what you comeback with? Your sarcastic reacts are very angry, but yet weak. You are extremely defensive of Ty but yet bring nothing to the table in his defense except "he likes writing about lacrosse", really? You (or someone) compared him to other sports writers, so I think it was interesting that someone gave an example of real sports writers compared to Ty and how those men wouldn't conduct themselves in such a unprofessional manner.

You never answered the question nor did you address any of the points made. Instead you attack anyone on here who is not a Ty fan AND you assume that if a mom or dad comes on here and rips Ty that automatically means thier son wasn't ranked. That was another great point then poster made.

Your on a field for maybe 3-4 hours. Why does anyone need to drink? Drinking and driving is all that your doing? Great role models

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it not legal for 24 year olds to have a beer?

Yes without a doubt! But not flaunting it on your social media account where you know there are 1000's of Middle School and HS players following you. That's not illegal either, but its very unprofessional, immature & bad judgment from a person who is involved heavily with HS Sports.

I have a question for you, do you feel Ty Xanders is a public figure?

Then unfollow him! Wait, but you're dying to see what he has to say about your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it not legal for 24 year olds to have a beer?

Yes without a doubt! But not flaunting it on your social media account where you know there are 1000's of Middle School and HS players following you. That's not illegal either, but its very unprofessional, immature & bad judgment from a person who is involved heavily with HS Sports.

I have a question for you, do you feel Ty Xanders is a public figure?

Then unfollow him! Wait, but you're dying to see what he has to say about your son.

Thats all you got?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your on a field for maybe 3-4 hours. Why does anyone need to drink? Drinking and driving is all that your doing? Great role models

Not everyone drinks and drives. Two beers over a course of 4 hours does not get a person drunk. If I have a beer my wife, drives anyway. A refreshing beverage on a hot summer afternoon is appealing to many people. I still stand by my prediction that the people complaining about Ty have not been recognized by him. My observations have been that he writes about kids that are game-changers and show consistency. He has a nice writing style. My son has been written about a few times and snubed others. Its all good. Just don't understand the hate.
WORK HARDER=GET NOTICED

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it not legal for 24 year olds to have a beer?

Yes without a doubt! But not flaunting it on your social media account where you know there are 1000's of Middle School and HS players following you. That's not illegal either, but its very unprofessional, immature & bad judgment from a person who is involved heavily with HS Sports.

I have a question for you, do you feel Ty Xanders is a public figure?

Yup - kids are TOTALLY looking at Ty's pictures then going out and drinking because of it. You wouldn't have issue with a 45-year-old man having pictures of wine but because it's a young kid with a massive following who is a lacrosse writer, it seems to be an issue.

Don't hurt your brains thinking too hard.

I hope that the kid is reading this and starts to wisen up.

That's because the guy supporting him is probably the guy who is either writing his checks or influencing him to write about certain kids that's pretty obvious. If committed kids tweeted the stuff that Xanders tweets there is good chance they could loose their commitment . Other qualified sports writers don't tweet such garbage.

Good for Inside Lacrosse that he is no longer working for them. They should be more careful about who they hire next.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your on a field for maybe 3-4 hours. Why does anyone need to drink? Drinking and driving is all that your doing? Great role models

Not everyone drinks and drives. Two beers over a course of 4 hours does not get a person drunk. If I have a beer my wife, drives anyway. A refreshing beverage on a hot summer afternoon is appealing to many people. I still stand by my prediction that the people complaining about Ty have not been recognized by him. My observations have been that he writes about kids that are game-changers and show consistency. He has a nice writing style. My son has been written about a few times and snubed others. Its all good. Just don't understand the hate.
WORK HARDER=GET NOTICED

Ok, I'll tell my son to work harder.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's because the guy supporting him is probably the guy who is either writing his checks or influencing him to write about certain kids that's pretty obvious. If committed kids tweeted the stuff that Xanders tweets there is good chance they could loose their commitment . Other qualified sports writers don't tweet such garbage.

Good for Inside Lacrosse that he is no longer working for them. They should be more careful about who they hire next.

He definitely teeters the line, but I don't see it as that bad. Examples?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's because the guy supporting him is probably the guy who is either writing his checks or influencing him to write about certain kids that's pretty obvious. If committed kids tweeted the stuff that Xanders tweets there is good chance they could loose their commitment . Other qualified sports writers don't tweet such garbage.

Good for Inside Lacrosse that he is no longer working for them. They should be more careful about who they hire next.

well said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sad to say but I was at a golf outing and a club director was on the phone with ty giving him names to write up before the event even took place

Have you ever thought of the fact that maybe Ty was just getting names of kids to focus on and watch? Insane interpretation on your end, big dawg!

I don't think IL would have ever let him take money from club teams like it was suggested earlier, especially considering their new events business they've established (yeah right) to take over the summer and fall circuit.

I wouldn't think parents would hold kids back so they could maybe play D1 lacrosse at a crappy school.

I wouldn't think parents would pay $50K + to send a kid to a prep school so maybe he could play D!.

I wouldn't think coaches would put ringers on teams so they would win.

I wouldn't think club coaches would make a promise to a kid he was going to be on a national team only to pay a hefty fee and ride the bench on the local team.

I wouldn't think��.blah blah blah.

In the sport's current climate, I WOULD think that would all of happen. Bad point to try and throw a kid under the bus. I'm sure he knows that he can't always be right but I think you're way off base.

Why do you keep referring to him as a kid...he's 24 years old! He's a grown man. He's doing a job that he fell into and gets paid for. Kudos to him! But, to say some on his list are not absolutely political? That's comical! The politics that take place behind the phones are amazing.

Don't know of any 45 year olds tweeting pictures drinking wine. But perhaps you do ....enough said. You and Ty Xanders have a lot in common. That's nothing to be proud of

2 beers in 4 hrs can get you a DUI easily. Are there people like you really parenting children. Maybe there needs to be certain qualifications for posting on here. Go ahead drink 2 beers in 4 hrs then blow a red light good luck when you get pulled over......what a genius. Maybe you can call you buddy Ty Xanders to bail you out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sad to say but I was at a golf outing and a club director was on the phone with ty giving him names to write up before the event even took place

Have you ever thought of the fact that maybe Ty was just getting names of kids to focus on and watch? Insane interpretation on your end, big dawg!

I don't think IL would have ever let him take money from club teams like it was suggested earlier, especially considering their new events business they've established (yeah right) to take over the summer and fall circuit.

I wouldn't think parents would hold kids back so they could maybe play D1 lacrosse at a crappy school.

I wouldn't think parents would pay $50K + to send a kid to a prep school so maybe he could play D!.

I wouldn't think coaches would put ringers on teams so they would win.

I wouldn't think club coaches would make a promise to a kid he was going to be on a national team only to pay a hefty fee and ride the bench on the local team.

I wouldn't think��.blah blah blah.

In the sport's current climate, I WOULD think that would all of happen. Bad point to try and throw a kid under the bus. I'm sure he knows that he can't always be right but I think you're way off base.

Why do you keep referring to him as a kid...he's 24 years old! He's a grown man. He's doing a job that he fell into and gets paid for. Kudos to him! But, to say some on his list are not absolutely political? That's comical! The politics that take place behind the phones are amazing.

Because he is a kid. He has no qualifications. He could not even graduate college. What are his accomplishment and qualifications to be called a man???? But it's ok to write about the kids......crazy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 beers in 4 hrs can get you a DUI easily. Are there people like you really parenting children. Maybe there needs to be certain qualifications for posting on here. Go ahead drink 2 beers in 4 hrs then blow a red light good luck when you get pulled over......what a genius. Maybe you can call you buddy Ty Xanders to bail you out.

You are an idiot, and have your head buried in the sand. A normal adult metabolizes 1 drink per hour. FACT. You would not be at all impaired, not even close having 2 beers in 4 hours. I also said my wife drives if I drink anything. Do you also sit in your hotel room while the other parents and coaches socialize? You are just looking to be a jerk, amazing a grown man can be so jealous of a kid who didn't notice his son, feel sorry for you!

Yep!! He is a kid. Only a kid could get into a mess like this.
He brings onto himself.

All human beings need college degrees to be credible?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 beers in 4 hrs can get you a DUI easily. Are there people like you really parenting children. Maybe there needs to be certain qualifications for posting on here. Go ahead drink 2 beers in 4 hrs then blow a red light good luck when you get pulled over......what a genius. Maybe you can call you buddy Ty Xanders to bail you out.

yeah if you weigh 90 lbs. You will not be anywhere near DWI or DUI drinking 2 beers( or 2 glasses of wine or 2 shots) in a 4hr period. That is why everyone asked says they only had 2 beers. -Retired P.0.

"moron" , "idiot" or "jerk". Whats with the silly name calling garbage on this thread? Seriously, grow up. I guess those are dudes that their wives don't let speak around the house. Gotta come on here and be a tough MAN! Anonymously of course.

The real issue is that Inside Lacrosse along with several other publications have written articles about the importance for the sport to shake it's "Lax Bro, rich kids-behaving-badly" image. The tragic event at UVA, the media circus surrounding Duke and the hazing incidents at Cornell and Bucknell have only reinforced the bratty, entitled public perception of the sport. If the most important rankings and evaluations are coming from a preppy underachiever who tweets about his hangovers, it's really not helping lacrosse gain any kind of credibility.

Yes a sports writer should have a college degree. Don't most of the people coaching your kids have college degrees. So if some is going observe kids playing and then credibly judge and write about them that person should have a college degree. It's not a stretch. Should that be a reasonable expectation. Or should lacrosse be treated differently than any other sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All human beings need college degrees to be credible?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All human beings need college degrees to be credible?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All human beings need college degrees to be credible?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All human beings need college degrees to be credible?

if he does not have a college degree you don't have to pay him that much

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real issue is that Inside Lacrosse along with several other publications have written articles about the importance for the sport to shake it's "Lax Bro, rich kids-behaving-badly" image. The tragic event at UVA, the media circus surrounding Duke and the hazing incidents at Cornell and Bucknell have only reinforced the bratty, entitled public perception of the sport. If the most important rankings and evaluations are coming from a preppy underachiever who tweets about his hangovers, it's really not helping lacrosse gain any kind of credibility.

Well you cannot hit the nail on the head any harder than that post. Completely agree.

I wouldn't want Bill Gates ranking my kid on his Computer skills as he never graduated from College!

Pittsburgh Pirates celebrate playoff birth with champagne in dressing room!!
Thank god my kid doesn't play baseball as they are not role models drinking alcohol during the season!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wouldn't want Bill Gates ranking my kid on his Computer skills as he never graduated from College!

Only on BOC can you have a buffoon comparing Ty Xanders to Bill Gates. Sorry genius it's a ridiculous comparison.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wouldn't want Bill Gates ranking my kid on his Computer skills as he never graduated from College!

That is reaching. Bill Gates is one of the leaders in the IT and computer industry. Ty Xanders never played or coached lacrosse at a high level and has some credibility issues to put politely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wouldn't want Bill Gates ranking my kid on his Computer skills as he never graduated from College!

Only on BOC can you have a buffoon comparing Ty Xanders to Bill Gates. Sorry genius it's a ridiculous comparison.

No one is comparing Gates or Obama to Xanders, we all know that's ridiculous. Can't totally discredit him for not having a college degree. Plenty of people don't get them and do just fine in life. I'm sure he learned plenty of what to do and what not to do in life after his years at Inside Lacrosse. We all know that place has lost all credibility anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wouldn't want Bill Gates ranking my kid on his Computer skills as he never graduated from College!

Okay Einstein let me get this straight let's skip the college thing after a year (Gates was smart enough to get into Harvard Without lacrosse) and hope that your kid becomes the next billionaire computer programmer and inventor or let's finish college and graduate. I think I'll take my chances with my kid graduating college.

Unfortunately you are probably serious

Real question for committed folks from 2018 parent.

How much scholorship money are they promissing for 1st year?

Patriot schools look like some but not all provide-

Assume that the duke, uva michigan type schools also provide merit for grades and athletic dollars?

Looking for advice prior to going to a bunch of prospect days for schools we can't afford...

the average is about 30% for the Dukes UVA, Michigans. Some kids get a little more some get less. Do not expect the same from all Patriot schools. They have conference restrictions and not all of them have funding for the 12.6 scholarships that is allowed. The Patriot league just started giving some football scholarships.

Don't count on any merit money for academics this early in high school. It's too early and kids have not even taken the SAT/ACT

As you probably know the Ivies are not allowed to give athletic scholarships, but need based money is quite plentiful if you qualify.

The whole recruiting situation can be very expensive.

Sorry, this thread is only for ripping writers and rankers...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Real question for committed folks from 2018 parent.

How much scholorship money are they promissing for 1st year?

Patriot schools look like some but not all provide-

Assume that the duke, uva michigan type schools also provide merit for grades and athletic dollars?

Looking for advice prior to going to a bunch of prospect days for schools we can't afford...

Any money your son gets from the school is counted against the coaches athletic scholarship money. What this means is that if your son can get need based and academic money he most likely will get no athletic money. Don't let these parents fool you when they talk about all of the money there son's received. If your son qualifies for a decent amount of non athletic money the coach will most likely give him no athletic money so it can be used on another player that may not get as much or any need based or academic money.

When you go to a prospect day the coach will explain this to you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry, this thread is only for ripping writers and rankers...

Yeah, please stop interrupting the Ty Zanders bashing. I haven;t had this much fun on this board in awhile (got the popcorn out), maybe since the whole hold-back/PG posts. Keep the Ty Zanders convo coming ):

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry, this thread is only for ripping writers and rankers...

Yeah, please stop interrupting the Ty Zanders bashing. I haven;t had this much fun on this board in awhile (got the popcorn out), maybe since the whole hold-back/PG posts. Keep the Ty Zanders convo coming ):

If you like the hold back posts they have now infiltrated the 2018 thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Real question for committed folks from 2018 parent.

How much scholorship money are they promissing for 1st year?

Patriot schools look like some but not all provide-

Assume that the duke, uva michigan type schools also provide merit for grades and athletic dollars?

Looking for advice prior to going to a bunch of prospect days for schools we can't afford...

Any money your son gets from the school is counted against the coaches athletic scholarship money. What this means is that if your son can get need based and academic money he most likely will get no athletic money. Don't let these parents fool you when they talk about all of the money there son's received. If your son qualifies for a decent amount of non athletic money the coach will most likely give him no athletic money so it can be used on another player that may not get as much or any need based or academic money.

When you go to a prospect day the coach will explain this to you.

I disagree. We been to 5 schools had 5 meetings and never heard or felt if your son can get need based and academic money he most likely will get no athletic money. I don't mean to be argumentative but I really think EVERY situation is different.

Not in this order but these are the variables,
-Income/Need base
-Your sons ability
-Your sons HS academically and lacrosse program (is he being challenged academically and
-Your sons DESIRE to attend that school (most important IMO)
-How many players committed to THAT school in THAT class (works like a budget)

The gold standard for any non-revenue sport coach at a scholarship school is a top recruit who is also a top student. It is true that most savvy coaches will identify top student candidates who can get some academic merit money. It is spot on that these dollars can be bigger and we all know that men's Title IX money in lacrosse are scarce at 12.6 to go around. Need based money is just that...if you are not a high income family that aid can be substantial as well. I do think it is off to believe that college coaches don't consider recruits who are also more exceptional students in a MUCH higher regard. Beyond the academic money possibilities those are also the kids lesser likely to create problems and get in trouble while in the program...no coach wants a harder job because of player behavior.

And Ty Xanders sucks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the average is about 30% for the Dukes UVA, Michigans. Some kids get a little more some get less. Do not expect the same from all Patriot schools. They have conference restrictions and not all of them have funding for the 12.6 scholarships that is allowed. The Patriot league just started giving some football scholarships.

Don't count on any merit money for academics this early in high school. It's too early and kids have not even taken the SAT/ACT

As you probably know the Ivies are not allowed to give athletic scholarships, but need based money is quite plentiful if you qualify.

The whole recruiting situation can be very expensive.

Patriots have $$ when they want to have $$. Otherwise I agree with everything else you said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the average is about 30% for the Dukes UVA, Michigans. Some kids get a little more some get less. Do not expect the same from all Patriot schools. They have conference restrictions and not all of them have funding for the 12.6 scholarships that is allowed. The Patriot league just started giving some football scholarships.

Don't count on any merit money for academics this early in high school. It's too early and kids have not even taken the SAT/ACT

As you probably know the Ivies are not allowed to give athletic scholarships, but need based money is quite plentiful if you qualify.

The whole recruiting situation can be very expensive.

Patriots have $$ when they want to have $$. Otherwise I agree with everything else you said.

Thanks. What is a smart amount of prospect days to do this Fall? 2?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the average is about 30% for the Dukes UVA, Michigans. Some kids get a little more some get less. Do not expect the same from all Patriot schools. They have conference restrictions and not all of them have funding for the 12.6 scholarships that is allowed. The Patriot league just started giving some football scholarships.

Don't count on any merit money for academics this early in high school. It's too early and kids have not even taken the SAT/ACT

As you probably know the Ivies are not allowed to give athletic scholarships, but need based money is quite plentiful if you qualify.

The whole recruiting situation can be very expensive.

Patriots have $$ when they want to have $$. Otherwise I agree with everything else you said.

Thanks. What is a smart amount of prospect days to do this Fall? 2?

Some schools have a calculator tool on their website, it can give you an idea of what your kid can get with projected academics, not perfect but it can quickly shave 10-15K off costs to give you idea where you stand without athletic money. At privates can add up unless you are wildly wealthy or a poor student.

I would go to ones that are not too expensive/within driving distance and your son has a sincere ingest in the school for academics, or if the invite you got seemed very personalized, not just the kid's name and a lame "I saw you play" but with details of where and what position your son plays or if they ask your son to call him or ask to send fall schedules if you cannot make it.

Who thinks it is a reasonable value to pay 50-60K a year, all in, to attend a nescac or ivy school to play lacrosse? Assume the kid is motivated. Assume the kid could go to a decent state school for 1/3 of that? Set aside affordability for a minute- assume it's potentially affordable, with significant family sacrifice....is it worth it from a value perspective? Would like to hear from some parents/players who have been through that process, not speculative guesses passed off as informed opinions. Thanks.

I would assume that a player who is academically qualified to attend an Ivy or NESCAC, is not choosing to attend that school solely to play lacrosse. Generally, players who choose this path, are selecting a school based on academics and THEN looking at the opportunity to play lacrosse. Not the other way around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who thinks it is a reasonable value to pay 50-60K a year, all in, to attend a nescac or ivy school to play lacrosse? Assume the kid is motivated. Assume the kid could go to a decent state school for 1/3 of that? Set aside affordability for a minute- assume it's potentially affordable, with significant family sacrifice....is it worth it from a value perspective? Would like to hear from some parents/players who have been through that process, not speculative guesses passed off as informed opinions. Thanks.

It seems to me you are missing the point. You are not paying 50-60k a year to play lacrosse but to presumably attend a great school. If you believe your son can go to an Ivy or NESCAC, would be happy and fit in there, do reasonable well in school (not in way over his head), and be able to play lax as well if could be a great lifetime opportunity for him. This was my son's experience at at Ivy and he wouldn't have changed it for the world.

I have no idea. $250k for a college degree sounds unreasonable to me. Perhaps at Harvard or other Ivy the cost is outweighed by the connections made that can turn into $ in the future. But at Williams or Amherst, not so sure.

I know the kids that I hire from time to time struggling with loan debt at a $50k per year job means years of pain...

If your family can get need based $, the true cost is far less. There are net cost calculators on most of the college sites that give you a potential number...If you can get nescac at $25k (state school cost) then it is no brainer...

Yes, of course would be going for academics first, lacrosse second- sorry if that was unclear in the initial post. The lacrosse would help in admissions, though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would assume that a player who is academically qualified to attend an Ivy or NESCAC, is not choosing to attend that school solely to play lacrosse. Generally, players who choose this path, are selecting a school based on academics and THEN looking at the opportunity to play lacrosse. Not the other way around.

You're all missing the point. Lacrosse should be used to propel ones academic pursuits. If you can make it into a Patriot School without Lacrosse, maybe Lacrosse gets you in an Ivy. If you can make it into a good D3 type school, maybe Lacrosse gets you into a NESCAC. Let's face it, 99.9% of the kids that get into an IVY with Lacrosse would have ZERO chance of getting into that school without lacrosse. To say otherwise is just intellectually disingenuous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would assume that a player who is academically qualified to attend an Ivy or NESCAC, is not choosing to attend that school solely to play lacrosse. Generally, players who choose this path, are selecting a school based on academics and THEN looking at the opportunity to play lacrosse. Not the other way around.

You're all missing the point. Lacrosse should be used to propel ones academic pursuits. If you can make it into a Patriot School without Lacrosse, maybe Lacrosse gets you in an Ivy. If you can make it into a good D3 type school, maybe Lacrosse gets you into a NESCAC. Let's face it, 99.9% of the kids that get into an IVY with Lacrosse would have ZERO chance of getting into that school without lacrosse. To say otherwise is just intellectually disingenuous.

I think these are all question that should be best answered by the expert on lacrosse recruiting the one and only Ty Xanders. Just tweet him a question and he will give his unbiased, intelligent, expert answer complete with nice snap shot of him with a red solo cup and goofy Orioles cap during a fast food binge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would assume that a player who is academically qualified to attend an Ivy or NESCAC, is not choosing to attend that school solely to play lacrosse. Generally, players who choose this path, are selecting a school based on academics and THEN looking at the opportunity to play lacrosse. Not the other way around.

You're all missing the point. Lacrosse should be used to propel ones academic pursuits. If you can make it into a Patriot School without Lacrosse, maybe Lacrosse gets you in an Ivy. If you can make it into a good D3 type school, maybe Lacrosse gets you into a NESCAC. Let's face it, 99.9% of the kids that get into an IVY with Lacrosse would have ZERO chance of getting into that school without lacrosse. To say otherwise is just intellectually disingenuous.

I think these are all question that should be best answered by the expert on lacrosse recruiting the one and only Ty Xanders. Just tweet him a question and he will give his unbiased, intelligent, expert answer complete with nice snap shot of him with a red solo cup and goofy Orioles cap during a fast food binge.

He has a lot of perspective to share not even graduating from Lynchburg.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would assume that a player who is academically qualified to attend an Ivy or NESCAC, is not choosing to attend that school solely to play lacrosse. Generally, players who choose this path, are selecting a school based on academics and THEN looking at the opportunity to play lacrosse. Not the other way around.

You're all missing the point. Lacrosse should be used to propel ones academic pursuits. If you can make it into a Patriot School without Lacrosse, maybe Lacrosse gets you in an Ivy. If you can make it into a good D3 type school, maybe Lacrosse gets you into a NESCAC. Let's face it, 99.9% of the kids that get into an IVY with Lacrosse would have ZERO chance of getting into that school without lacrosse. To say otherwise is just intellectually disingenuous.

I think these are all question that should be best answered by the expert on lacrosse recruiting the one and only Ty Xanders. Just tweet him a question and he will give his unbiased, intelligent, expert answer complete with nice snap shot of him with a red solo cup and goofy Orioles cap during a fast food binge.

He has a lot of perspective to share not even graduating from Lynchburg.

He is the self proclaimed expert .......just ask him

I really don't get all of this. My 2017 got no attention last year. He is not an early bloomer, and had to develop confidence and aggressiveness. One of the "experts" told us we had to reclass and have him do a PG year. We ignored him, because life is not about lacrosse. Instead he worked hard, hit the weight room and did some speed training. Early fall he got an offer from a top 5 program and another from a top 20. Much to his younger brothers dismay, the lower ranked lacrosse program is a better fit for his academic interests, so that is his decision. He is thrilled to have the opportunity he was given.

Have we tweeted to the world or gotten his video on Inside Lacrosse? Nope. He realizes he just made the first step. He now needs to continue to improve his game, gain muscle, work hard in school and continue hanging out with kids who don't party and get in trouble. He knows he is a sophomore, a lot can change in 2 and a half years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't get all of this. My 2017 got no attention last year. He is not an early bloomer, and had to develop confidence and aggressiveness. One of the "experts" told us we had to reclass and have him do a PG year. We ignored him, because life is not about lacrosse. Instead he worked hard, hit the weight room and did some speed training. Early fall he got an offer from a top 5 program and another from a top 20. Much to his younger brothers dismay, the lower ranked lacrosse program is a better fit for his academic interests, so that is his decision. He is thrilled to have the opportunity he was given.

Have we tweeted to the world or gotten his video on Inside Lacrosse? Nope. He realizes he just made the first step. He now needs to continue to improve his game, gain muscle, work hard in school and continue hanging out with kids who don't party and get in trouble. He knows he is a sophomore, a lot can change in 2 and a half years.

Ty Xanders would probably agree did you check with first ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't get all of this. My 2017 got no attention last year. He is not an early bloomer, and had to develop confidence and aggressiveness. One of the "experts" told us we had to reclass and have him do a PG year. We ignored him, because life is not about lacrosse. Instead he worked hard, hit the weight room and did some speed training. Early fall he got an offer from a top 5 program and another from a top 20. Much to his younger brothers dismay, the lower ranked lacrosse program is a better fit for his academic interests, so that is his decision. He is thrilled to have the opportunity he was given.

Have we tweeted to the world or gotten his video on Inside Lacrosse? Nope. He realizes he just made the first step. He now needs to continue to improve his game, gain muscle, work hard in school and continue hanging out with kids who don't party and get in trouble. He knows he is a sophomore, a lot can change in 2 and a half years.

Ty Xanders would probably agree did you check with first ?

I don't know how those crazy, know nothing coaches managed to find him without Xander's expert opinion. Just because a coach has been to the final four or won an NCAA championship doesn't mean he knows more than Ty, right?

My point in posting was don't buy into the hype, and don't be surprised when some of the kids who are committed now become decommited later due to coaching changes or an inability to gain admission to the school. Pick the school that is a great place for your son's intended field of study.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, of course would be going for academics first, lacrosse second- sorry if that was unclear in the initial post. The lacrosse would help in admissions, though.

Or you could just get a letter of recommendation from Ty Zanders and your kid is all set

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't get all of this. My 2017 got no attention last year. He is not an early bloomer, and had to develop confidence and aggressiveness. One of the "experts" told us we had to reclass and have him do a PG year. We ignored him, because life is not about lacrosse. Instead he worked hard, hit the weight room and did some speed training. Early fall he got an offer from a top 5 program and another from a top 20. Much to his younger brothers dismay, the lower ranked lacrosse program is a better fit for his academic interests, so that is his decision. He is thrilled to have the opportunity he was given.

Have we tweeted to the world or gotten his video on Inside Lacrosse? Nope. He realizes he just made the first step. He now needs to continue to improve his game, gain muscle, work hard in school and continue hanging out with kids who don't party and get in trouble. He knows he is a sophomore, a lot can change in 2 and a half years.

You will be wise to keep preaching that mentality to your son. What a commitment today and an NLI in December of his senior year really means is he gets scholarship dollars his first year, then a locker with cleats and a uniform. That's it. From there it is sink or swim and neither you or anyone else can help mold an outcome from there. The best kids will see the field and renew scholarship dollars, and the kids who can't play will sit and renew at less scholarship dollars to make the shuffle work for kids who earned ahead o him. The best kids play, and the best chance your son has to be one of them is to be the best prepared and trained kid when he arrives. Anyone telling you otherwise is selling something.

How do you determine whether an invitation to a prospect camp is
real interest or just because you did well at a showcase?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do you determine whether an invitation to a prospect camp is
real interest or just because you did well at a showcase?

If your club coach calls you and tells you that "Such and such College" coach called about you and wants you to go to their camp, then there is real interest. Otherwise, coaches get access to player email lists at tourneys and showcases and just send to everyone. Primary purpose of event is to supplement income, if it wasn't they would be free. Even if your club coach sends it to you, that's just his recommendation that you go, not interest from college.

Some are money making events.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do you determine whether an invitation to a prospect camp is
real interest or just because you did well at a showcase?

If your club coach calls you and tells you that "Such and such College" coach called about you and wants you to go to their camp, then there is real interest. Otherwise, coaches get access to player email lists at tourneys and showcases and just send to everyone. Primary purpose of event is to supplement income, if it wasn't they would be free. Even if your club coach sends it to you, that's just his recommendation that you go, not interest from college.

Everybody's trying to make money from crazy parents trying to get their kids into a better college using lacrosse. When the media point person for lacrosse is a 24-year-old college dropout who is now pushing certain showcases you know things are completely out of control

Most of these events are a waste of money. Be careful. Speak to people who have been through it and been successful. There is a place for every kid and you don't have to spend your life savings

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do you determine whether an invitation to a prospect camp is
real interest or just because you did well at a showcase?

If your club coach calls you and tells you that "Such and such College" coach called about you and wants you to go to their camp, then there is real interest. Otherwise, coaches get access to player email lists at tourneys and showcases and just send to everyone. Primary purpose of event is to supplement income, if it wasn't they would be free. Even if your club coach sends it to you, that's just his recommendation that you go, not interest from college.

Yes correct. But also if they send it to your son (or you) directly or through the club coach the other key is if they open it up to your son BEFORE they open it to general public (which they have to).

Thats why at certain events (like some schools do with their prospect camps) the all star selections are selected privately BEFORE the camp even happens. Reason is, they have strong interest in the kid, have seen him play before and want to take a closer look at the player. Happens all the time.

Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!

We all come on here and complain, fight and agrue about what HS lax program is better or rankings or what college or club team is better. But i think we all can agree and feel the same sorrow for the young football player from SWR H.S on L.I. who lost his life tragically last night during a HS football game.

This is so sad and thoughts and prayers go to that young mans family during this horrific time. RIP.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!

What are you saying??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!

When people say this moron has no pull in the lacrosse world, you're wrong!! He is the mouth piece and as sad as it is to say, college coaches do listen to this, and influential coaches that are "plugging" their kids. There are many kids that are better than those that have the "IN" but, "all is not fair in the world". It is "who you know" but, in the end...these kids do need to perform, so lets see how it all pans out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!

Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!

Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.

He only ranks those players that he is told to rank. As far as speaking to coaches. Do you really think he speaks to all 67 division 1 coaches.....no chance. There are so many conflicts of interest ... No wonder he left Inside Lacrosse. Any body could pick 50 kids that are committed. Even Xy Tanders can do that. What a genius.... The real question is who is he working for now......

The lacrosse world has to do better that this

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!

Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.

I think most were committed before the list was released, and the others probably had offers. Big deal. I can put together a list of 25 2017 kids who are committed or have multiple offers in an hour. It doesn't mean they are the "top". My son has played with or against some of the kids and they are all good. Are some other unranked kids he knows, as good or better, yep. Have we seen unranked defenders shut down some of the stars, yep, have we seen unranked kids score on ranked kids repeatedly? Yep.

What a dumb comment (as usual). Weren't 23 of the 25 already committed when they composed the list ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!

Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.

I think most were committed before the list was released, and the others probably had offers. Big deal. I can put together a list of 25 2017 kids who are committed or have multiple offers in an hour. It doesn't mean they are the "top". My son has played with or against some of the kids and they are all good. Are some other unranked kids he knows, as good or better, yep. Have we seen unranked defenders shut down some of the stars, yep, have we seen unranked kids score on ranked kids repeatedly? Yep.

Agree completely. He missed a several great kids that don't play on the right teams. Some are outside of Maryland and Long Island. Not in traditional areas
But it doesn't matter much. There will be more credible lists in the future. Everyone know this guy is a joke

[quote=Anonymous]What a dumb comment (as usual). Weren't 23 of the 25 already committed when they composed the list ??

And you were expecting something brilliant from this idiot. He should be flipping burgers or parking cars somewhere. He would be much better off keeping quiet and going away.......what has the world come to when a clown like this gets so much attention. Even our kids think he is a joke

What a stupid statement, some of the top programs have only one 2017 or no 2017s committed. Syracuse has one, Bryant has 0,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What a stupid statement, some of the top programs have only one 2017 or no 2017s committed. Syracuse has one, Bryant has 0,

And several ivies as well have 0 or very few. But what does this have to do with the prior comment or rankings of players ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!

Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.

He only ranks those players that he is told to rank. As far as speaking to coaches. Do you really think he speaks to all 67 division 1 coaches.....no chance. There are so many conflicts of interest ... No wonder he left Inside Lacrosse. Any body could pick 50 kids that are committed. Even Xy Tanders can do that. What a genius.... The real question is who is he working for now......

The lacrosse world has to do better that this

Ty Xanders is moreso a puppet to the prominent club coaches and owners who are like crystal meth addicts looking to get their kids ranked and committed to decorate their club websites. I am sure he has some audience with most D1 coaches and may have the close ear of some but I think he is more a conduit for the club owners who also put on tourneys or are money involved in showcases. We are all lacrosse parents far enough into this now to understand it is a racket. I am sure Ty Xanders is on his own because there are some bespoke relationships he has in Baltimore, Philly, LI and TriState areas. Instead of the crystal meth addicts (club guys) dealing with a sophisticated audience they get to pull around a 24 year old [lacrosse] clown named Ty. Maybe I am way off or just too tainted by the Crabs organization tie ins to him personally and IL in general. That club owner practically does the write ups and hands it to the likes of Ty or other and if they don't play ball they get whacked to borrow from the Baltimore lacrosse mafia term. This is how mediocre players from families in the gunga get hyped to NCAA coaches, many of whom are too lazy to do their own diligence and sign the short list of recommended kids. Why do you think Hop and UVa and some others have declined and are on a slow train toward sucking these recent years?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!

Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.

He only ranks those players that he is told to rank. As far as speaking to coaches. Do you really think he speaks to all 67 division 1 coaches.....no chance. There are so many conflicts of interest ... No wonder he left Inside Lacrosse. Any body could pick 50 kids that are committed. Even Xy Tanders can do that. What a genius.... The real question is who is he working for now......

The lacrosse world has to do better that this

Ty Xanders is moreso a puppet to the prominent club coaches and owners who are like crystal meth addicts looking to get their kids ranked and committed to decorate their club websites. I am sure he has some audience with most D1 coaches and may have the close ear of some but I think he is more a conduit for the club owners who also put on tourneys or are money involved in showcases. We are all lacrosse parents far enough into this now to understand it is a racket. I am sure Ty Xanders is on his own because there are some bespoke relationships he has in Baltimore, Philly, LI and TriState areas. Instead of the crystal meth addicts (club guys) dealing with a sophisticated audience they get to pull around a 24 year old [lacrosse] clown named Ty. Maybe I am way off or just too tainted by the Crabs organization tie ins to him personally and IL in general. That club owner practically does the write ups and hands it to the likes of Ty or other and if they don't play ball they get whacked to borrow from the Baltimore lacrosse mafia term. This is how mediocre players from families in the gunga get hyped to NCAA coaches, many of whom are too lazy to do their own diligence and sign the short list of recommended kids. Why do you think Hop and UVa and some others have declined and are on a slow train toward sucking these recent years?

Wow, you really have to give up the anger that your kid is not ranked. You are boarderline crazy with your inaccurate over analysis!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!

Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.

He only ranks those players that he is told to rank. As far as speaking to coaches. Do you really think he speaks to all 67 division 1 coaches.....no chance. There are so many conflicts of interest ... No wonder he left Inside Lacrosse. Any body could pick 50 kids that are committed. Even Xy Tanders can do that. What a genius.... The real question is who is he working for now......

The lacrosse world has to do better that this

Ty Xanders is moreso a puppet to the prominent club coaches and owners who are like crystal meth addicts looking to get their kids ranked and committed to decorate their club websites. I am sure he has some audience with most D1 coaches and may have the close ear of some but I think he is more a conduit for the club owners who also put on tourneys or are money involved in showcases. We are all lacrosse parents far enough into this now to understand it is a racket. I am sure Ty Xanders is on his own because there are some bespoke relationships he has in Baltimore, Philly, LI and TriState areas. Instead of the crystal meth addicts (club guys) dealing with a sophisticated audience they get to pull around a 24 year old [lacrosse] clown named Ty. Maybe I am way off or just too tainted by the Crabs organization tie ins to him personally and IL in general. That club owner practically does the write ups and hands it to the likes of Ty or other and if they don't play ball they get whacked to borrow from the Baltimore lacrosse mafia term. This is how mediocre players from families in the gunga get hyped to NCAA coaches, many of whom are too lazy to do their own diligence and sign the short list of recommended kids. Why do you think Hop and UVa and some others have declined and are on a slow train toward sucking these recent years?

Yep, and I would be surprised if there was not influence from 3$ as well. I am assuming there is a deal there. Some of those kids are ranked higher than their play suggests, even if they are older.

As far as D1 coaches, why in the world would they let anyone know who they were after until they had them committed? Why get a feeding frenzy started?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty on Twitter :
"Not that it's considered gospel by any means, but all 25 of the top 2017's are now committed. That was quick."
Sounds like the might know something!!

Considering that Ty uses coach's opinions to create his and IL's list, I would expect the ranked list to go quickly. No surprise in Ty's statement.

He only ranks those players that he is told to rank. As far as speaking to coaches. Do you really think he speaks to all 67 division 1 coaches.....no chance. There are so many conflicts of interest ... No wonder he left Inside Lacrosse. Any body could pick 50 kids that are committed. Even Xy Tanders can do that. What a genius.... The real question is who is he working for now......

The lacrosse world has to do better that this

Ty Xanders is moreso a puppet to the prominent club coaches and owners who are like crystal meth addicts looking to get their kids ranked and committed to decorate their club websites. I am sure he has some audience with most D1 coaches and may have the close ear of some but I think he is more a conduit for the club owners who also put on tourneys or are money involved in showcases. We are all lacrosse parents far enough into this now to understand it is a racket. I am sure Ty Xanders is on his own because there are some bespoke relationships he has in Baltimore, Philly, LI and TriState areas. Instead of the crystal meth addicts (club guys) dealing with a sophisticated audience they get to pull around a 24 year old [lacrosse] clown named Ty. Maybe I am way off or just too tainted by the Crabs organization tie ins to him personally and IL in general. That club owner practically does the write ups and hands it to the likes of Ty or other and if they don't play ball they get whacked to borrow from the Baltimore lacrosse mafia term. This is how mediocre players from families in the gunga get hyped to NCAA coaches, many of whom are too lazy to do their own diligence and sign the short list of recommended kids. Why do you think Hop and UVa and some others have declined and are on a slow train toward sucking these recent years?

Wow, you really have to give up the anger that your kid is not ranked. You are boarderline crazy with your inaccurate over analysis!

Actually agree with above comments. Everyone knows there are significant conflicts and that he can claim he unbiased but he it's not the case. By the way who supporting hi website....oh I forgot he made fortune working for IL. He needs to disclose his relationships and funding sources. But it is concerning that this guy would have anyone's ear. Lacrosse will grow to the level that everyone thinks it should with amateurs in the media

What is inaccurate about the analysis? The worst kept secret in maryland is Jiloty and Co at IL are indebted to the owner of the Crabs who is an MIAA school alum and former coach and whose club fills rosters or MIAA programs and local colleges like JHU later. Crabs have good teams and good players but why is BL always pre season #1 HS team? Why not Culver or Chaminade until they lose a game? BL would have taken Culver straight up last year? That would have been a great game but #1 ending was who was allocated #1 first by IL. My kid plays for a rival MD club and his friends are Crabs. Due respect to them, but here is the truth and deal with it...Ty Xanders is a Baltimore MIAA school kid who dropped out of college after a year and moved home. His family connections to Crabs owner got him a desk job at IL. Every summer IL gives Crabs kids summer intern jobs. Nothing wrong with that to help kids, but of you think there is no old line Baltimore bias in every single thing IL does you are uninformed.

Here is what I find fascinating...I don't think much of Tu Xanders but he had the stones to leave the nest and I doubt he grew those stones without an implant from someone deep pocketed elsewhere. Maybe a LI guy is backing this venture, but I can nearly assure you it ain't Baltimore money backing this new venture. And if Ty "grows the game" by covering and hyping TriState or Texas or Florida or Cali kids equally to the old line little preppy Bmore kids, then Houston we have a problem. I have no trouble accepting that there are paid for conflicts of interest or a bias in this recruiting stuff. Everything in life has some of it. I do think that whoever in LI or elsewhere who backed this started WW3 & it will pay very well. Events costing $700, tournaments costing $200-400, prospect days costing $200-300 a pop with hundreds or thousands of kids each and the costs are to paint field lines and pay for referees is a gold mine. Own a videography company to film and sell film to participants or highlight reels for hundreds each at the cost of cameras and a guy putting it on a computer. Then have a recruiting coverage and consulting company to hype out participants and get their names and tapes in front of coaches at a cost of Ty Xanders's time and expenses and you can basically run lacrosse parent debit cards all day long for years and years starting when kids are in middle school. Someone is really thinking outside the box to put Ty Xanders in this new role and stir the pot with it on the recruiting circuit and I think it is brilliant. Try getting IL to come cover your Trilogy or 3d or Team91 or LB3 or other event this fall and let me know how that goes later. I am sure they will be too busy to get back to you because they have the new IL events and Crabs tournaments to cover, thank you very much.

And stop it with the jealous hater crap, just my two cents and if you disagree ok then.

How come all the top LI Varsity players are ranked be TY? coincidence? I think not!

Because many of the top HS coaches have close connections to the top club teams which is where he gets his info from.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because many of the top HS coaches have close connections to the top club teams which is where he gets his info from.

Like which ones? Besides the Catholics, you are wrong! Ty actually attended a few LI games last season. I guess the game changers he noticed and ranked coincidently were the same ones noticed by Newsday and MSG Varsity. You sound ridiculous with you vendetta against Ty. Please stop

Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because many of the top HS coaches have close connections to the top club teams which is where he gets his info from.

Like which ones? Besides the Catholics, you are wrong! Ty actually attended a few LI games last season. I guess the game changers he noticed and ranked coincidently were the same ones noticed by Newsday and MSG Varsity. You sound ridiculous with you vendetta against Ty. Please stop

Exactly, all the top lacrosse players are not from LI and MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because many of the top HS coaches have close connections to the top club teams which is where he gets his info from.

Like which ones? Besides the Catholics, you are wrong! Ty actually attended a few LI games last season. I guess the game changers he noticed and ranked coincidently were the same ones noticed by Newsday and MSG Varsity. You sound ridiculous with you vendetta against Ty. Please stop

You sound ridiculous also, very defensive of the Orioles biggest fan.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.

Great post, agree with you completely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.

Who cares who's funding him. And you never answered my question. How is that reputable LI sources (MSG varsity,etc) come to the same conclusions about who ate the best players on LI? Stats dont lie! Stop being so mad your son wasn't ranked and tell him to work harder!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because many of the top HS coaches have close connections to the top club teams which is where he gets his info from.

Like which ones? Besides the Catholics, you are wrong! Ty actually attended a few LI games last season. I guess the game changers he noticed and ranked coincidently were the same ones noticed by Newsday and MSG Varsity. You sound ridiculous with you vendetta against Ty. Please stop

Exactly, all the top lacrosse players are not from LI and MD.

Actually if you look, many kids outside if LI and MD are ranked. As lax spreads that will increase. Currently, LI and MD and PA are still hotbeds, which explains why those kids are ranked more often. Same thing happens in other sports like football where places like Texas are the hotbeds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.

Who cares who's funding him. And you never answered my question. How is that reputable LI sources (MSG varsity,etc) come to the same conclusions about who ate the best players on LI? Stats dont lie! Stop being so mad your son wasn't ranked and tell him to work harder!

You tell the guy to tell his kid to work harder. I see that on here EVERY TIME someone mentions Ty Xanders. Work harder has very little to do with being ranked, you can believe your own lies. Mostly ALL the moms & dads on here are dedicated lacrosse people and have boys how are most likely VERY strong lax players, they ALL work hard.

Keep angling & pushing for your son finacially & politically. And most importantly, set the bar that where your son NEVER EXPERIENCES FAILURE. Entitlement is a tough way to go into real life, unless your LOADED.

You "work harder", at being a better parent. Not a ATM parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.

Who cares who's funding him. And you never answered my question. How is that reputable LI sources (MSG varsity,etc) come to the same conclusions about who ate the best players on LI? Stats dont lie! Stop being so mad your son wasn't ranked and tell him to work harder!

You tell the guy to tell his kid to work harder. I see that on here EVERY TIME someone mentions Ty Xanders. Work harder has very little to do with being ranked, you can believe your own lies. Mostly ALL the moms & dads on here are dedicated lacrosse people and have boys how are most likely VERY strong lax players, they ALL work hard.

Keep angling & pushing for your son finacially & politically. And most importantly, set the bar that where your son NEVER EXPERIENCES FAILURE. Entitlement is a tough way to go into real life, unless your LOADED.

You "work harder", at being a better parent. Not a ATM parent.

You could not be more wrong about my son. We are not well off, my son fought his way through politics, b team bs, etc. He is far from entitled. Nobody worked harder than him to get where he is. We don't "KNOW" anyone, altouough many want to "Know" him now. And yes he is ranked and committed while many of his political connected friends are scratching their heads. He deserves it. It makes me angry when people come on here and try to minimize his accomplishments. Ty may do some favors and leave some out, including one of my son's very well connected friend. But most of the kids on his lists are great, humble, well deserving kids with extrodinary work ethics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.

Who cares who's funding him. And you never answered my question. How is that reputable LI sources (MSG varsity,etc) come to the same conclusions about who ate the best players on LI? Stats dont lie! Stop being so mad your son wasn't ranked and tell him to work harder!

Ty Xanders makes a comment today as he posted his "analysis" of 2015 players. Its funny how he (and his sugar daddy's) trying to throw people of 2017's off his path of stench--

"This is a list that was done mostly on my own opinions and scouting, as opposed to the younger players� lists that are done using input from a bevy of high Division I coaches"

LOL. Now we are to believe that a BEVY of HIGH D1 coaches helped you put together a list of 15 and 16 year old players? There is somebody thats "HIGH" and I can tell you its not the BEVY of D1 coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.

Who cares who's funding him. And you never answered my question. How is that reputable LI sources (MSG varsity,etc) come to the same conclusions about who ate the best players on LI? Stats dont lie! Stop being so mad your son wasn't ranked and tell him to work harder!

Ty Xanders makes a comment today as he posted his "analysis" of 2015 players. Its funny how he (and his sugar daddy's) trying to throw people of 2017's off his path of stench--

"This is a list that was done mostly on my own opinions and scouting, as opposed to the younger players� lists that are done using input from a bevy of high Division I coaches"

LOL. Now we are to believe that a BEVY of HIGH D1 coaches helped you put together a list of 15 and 16 year old players? There is somebody thats "HIGH" and I can tell you its not the BEVY of D1 coaches.

Yet you continue to hang on his every word! Interesting!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.

Who cares who's funding him. And you never answered my question. How is that reputable LI sources (MSG varsity,etc) come to the same conclusions about who ate the best players on LI? Stats dont lie! Stop being so mad your son wasn't ranked and tell him to work harder!

Ty Xanders makes a comment today as he posted his "analysis" of 2015 players. Its funny how he (and his sugar daddy's) trying to throw people of 2017's off his path of stench--

"This is a list that was done mostly on my own opinions and scouting, as opposed to the younger players� lists that are done using input from a bevy of high Division I coaches"

LOL. Now we are to believe that a BEVY of HIGH D1 coaches helped you put together a list of 15 and 16 year old players? There is somebody thats "HIGH" and I can tell you its not the BEVY of D1 coaches.

Yet you continue to hang on his every word! Interesting!

The world will hang on his word and "analysis" for a short time, then move on to something else. You think nobody is answering 3d's on-line want ads for paid recruiting event writers? You think IL won't find another 24 year old who can type on a QUERTY keyboard to cover their events? Ty Xanders is on his own, and on his own he is about as interesting as listening to my brother-in-law amble through a Thanksgiving dinner speech about global warming and the threatened species in the North Pole. If you have the endurance to replace me at the table, ping me your deets and I will get back to you. It takes the same endurance to make it through a paragraph written by Ty "me like pronouns and deli meats" Xanders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you get so offended by any criticism of Ty Xanders. People are calling it for what is. His audience is 12-16 year olds. Then when a parent finds out that a 24 year old who never played or coached the game has any say on a kids talent or has some college coaches ear....they are shocked. There has never been such agreement on any Lacrosse blog as that fact. It is Ridiculous!!! All anyone wants is for someone more credible and transparent without obvious known conflicts to offer opinions. He has little or no competition right now so he is the lone voice....hopefully that will change. He is way too friendly with certain influential people to have any credibility.

And no one has given any details as to who is funding his new venture. How about full disclosure. Would bet anything that there big time conflicts.

Who cares who's funding him. And you never answered my question. How is that reputable LI sources (MSG varsity,etc) come to the same conclusions about who ate the best players on LI? Stats dont lie! Stop being so mad your son wasn't ranked and tell him to work harder!

Ty Xanders makes a comment today as he posted his "analysis" of 2015 players. Its funny how he (and his sugar daddy's) trying to throw people of 2017's off his path of stench--

"This is a list that was done mostly on my own opinions and scouting, as opposed to the younger players� lists that are done using input from a bevy of high Division I coaches"

LOL. Now we are to believe that a BEVY of HIGH D1 coaches helped you put together a list of 15 and 16 year old players? There is somebody thats "HIGH" and I can tell you its not the BEVY of D1 coaches.

Yet you continue to hang on his every word! Interesting!

The world will hang on his word and "analysis" for a short time, then move on to something else. You think nobody is answering 3d's on-line want ads for paid recruiting event writers? You think IL won't find another 24 year old who can type on a QUERTY keyboard to cover their events? Ty Xanders is on his own, and on his own he is about as interesting as listening to my brother-in-law amble through a Thanksgiving dinner speech about global warming and the threatened species in the North Pole. If you have the endurance to replace me at the table, ping me your deets and I will get back to you. It takes the same endurance to make it through a paragraph written by Ty "me like pronouns and deli meats" Xanders.

BOTC Vote, This Nut is from:
A. LI
B. MD
C. Neither...wait that's not possible

@Ty: Just nailed down plans to cover the @C2Clax Spotlight on October 18th & 19th down in Dallas. Looking forward to evaluating the South's best.

Just saw that 3d rising also has a list of Top 2017's . What is surprising about that list is only 3 of the 30 are from 3d teams considering they have a competitive team in several states. Yet they list several Long Island standouts.

So who looked good at IL Invitational Carolina Showcase this past weekend?
Waiting to hear !!

Nut? More like comedic genius. I'm from Maryland and no way does anyone from this state have a sense of humor. Has to be LI. Ty, 1980s John Stamos called, he wants his haircut back.

He is from MD. He said he grew up on the street that Michael Phelps lived on- MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw that 3d rising also has a list of Top 2017's . What is surprising about that list is only 3 of the 30 are from 3d teams considering they have a competitive team in several states. Yet they list several Long Island standouts.

And you don't think Ty is in bed with Munroe? Get your head out of the sand!

You are all obsessed with Ty. Boarderline creepy! Maybe you will get lucky and he will mention your son

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw that 3d rising also has a list of Top 2017's . What is surprising about that list is only 3 of the 30 are from 3d teams considering they have a competitive team in several states. Yet they list several Long Island standouts.

And you don't think Ty is in bed with Munroe? Get your head out of the sand!

Xanders is definitely NOT in bed with Munroe. If that was the case their rankings would be more consistent.

One could also argue that they are in competition

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw that 3d rising also has a list of Top 2017's . What is surprising about that list is only 3 of the 30 are from 3d teams considering they have a competitive team in several states. Yet they list several Long Island standouts.

And you don't think Ty is in bed with Munroe? Get your head out of the sand!

Xanders is definitely NOT in bed with Munroe. If that was the case their rankings would be more consistent.

One could also argue that they are in competition

I disagree, Ty certainly wants to gain favor with Munro.

And you don't think Ty is in bed with Munroe? Get your head out of the sand![/quote]

Xanders is definitely NOT in bed with Munroe. If that was the case their rankings would be more consistent.

One could also argue that they are in competition [/quote]

I disagree, Ty certainly wants to gain favor with Munro. [/quote]

Ty Xanders is a sole proprietor now and would like to be compensated from any angle possible. 3d is a too big and too obvious one for him to ignore, and I am sure he is knocking on Munro's door. I would question whether Munro would want to invite in an "outsider". It seems everything 3d does is very corporate, deliberate and insular and exclusive to them. Look at what they did to Jake Reed...he is making a lot of dough but seems to be just the name behind a 3d franchise event now. The rest of the club and events lacrosse world operate like guys with a glorified rec program that turned into a money maker. 3d is a business that raised capital and runs like a corporation in the lacrosse industry. I just don't see 3d seeing Ty Xanders as anything but a nuisance and a bug they will squash under their shoe. After all 3d has hired Casey Vock from IL and a few others to do 3d Rising coverage and seem well staffed and moving fast without Xanders anyways. I salute Xanders for having the moxie to try something like this, but frankly I think the kid gets made and his credibility will vaporize quickly. I don't believe he had the maturity to realize that his status was because of an IL and a old money Baltimore franchise where he was a franchisee...kind of like the "big producer broker guy" at Goldman Sachs going off and doing his own thing at a 3rd tier firm and wondering why his clients are not paying him commissions after he leaves. The real question is what does Xanders offer that is distinguished from anyone else who sits in a lawn chair watching lacrosse for 6 hours and then writing one paragraph on 15 kids after that (especially considering the club coaches are filling in a lot of the players and the text on them for Xanders to publish) ??? Sorry, I don't see it sustaining for very long if at all.

What is this, 10+ pages talking about this kid? If that's the case then maybe Xander isn't as worthless as you make him sound. Get a life!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And you don't think Ty is in bed with Munroe? Get your head out of the sand!

Xanders is definitely NOT in bed with Munroe. If that was the case their rankings would be more consistent.

One could also argue that they are in competition [/quote]

I disagree, Ty certainly wants to gain favor with Munro. [/quote]

Ty Xanders is a sole proprietor now and would like to be compensated from any angle possible. 3d is a too big and too obvious one for him to ignore, and I am sure he is knocking on Munro's door. I would question whether Munro would want to invite in an "outsider". It seems everything 3d does is very corporate, deliberate and insular and exclusive to them. Look at what they did to Jake Reed...he is making a lot of dough but seems to be just the name behind a 3d franchise event now. The rest of the club and events lacrosse world operate like guys with a glorified rec program that turned into a money maker. 3d is a business that raised capital and runs like a corporation in the lacrosse industry. I just don't see 3d seeing Ty Xanders as anything but a nuisance and a bug they will squash under their shoe. After all 3d has hired Casey Vock from IL and a few others to do 3d Rising coverage and seem well staffed and moving fast without Xanders anyways. I salute Xanders for having the moxie to try something like this, but frankly I think the kid gets made and his credibility will vaporize quickly. I don't believe he had the maturity to realize that his status was because of an IL and a old money Baltimore franchise where he was a franchisee...kind of like the "big producer broker guy" at Goldman Sachs going off and doing his own thing at a 3rd tier firm and wondering why his clients are not paying him commissions after he leaves. The real question is what does Xanders offer that is distinguished from anyone else who sits in a lawn chair watching lacrosse for 6 hours and then writing one paragraph on 15 kids after that (especially considering the club coaches are filling in a lot of the players and the text on them for Xanders to publish) ??? Sorry, I don't see it sustaining for very long if at all. [/quote]

You make very good points. definitely agree with you. 3d seems to be a well run professional organization. The parents who have kids involved with 3d rave about it and love it.

They have hired several college coaches. The ranking of the 2017's seem to be pretty detailed. They knew everything about the kids even got detailed quotes and information on the kids.

Of course they are running a business as is everyone else but they seem to be much more professional and legit . Many of us in Maryland think it is just a matter of time before Miunro has a strong presence here as well.

A 24 year old kid no matter how likable he is with no lacrosse background cannot compete with that no matter who is funding him

You make very good points. definitely agree with you. 3d seems to be a well run professional organization. The parents who have kids involved with 3d rave about it and love it.

They have hired several college coaches. The ranking of the 2017's seem to be pretty detailed. They knew everything about the kids even got detailed quotes and information on the kids.

Of course they are running a business as is everyone else but they seem to be much more professional and legit . Many of us in Maryland think it is just a matter of time before Miunro has a strong presence here as well.

A 24 year old kid no matter how likable he is with no lacrosse background cannot compete with that no matter who is funding him

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are all obsessed with Ty. Boarderline creepy! Maybe you will get lucky and he will mention your son

Never was obsessed about anyone in my life. All I did was look at the website he tweeted about and posted his silly comment about 2017s in his 2015 story. Unfollowed him on twitter earlier, three other dads I know did same thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are all obsessed with Ty. Boarderline creepy! Maybe you will get lucky and he will mention your son

Never was obsessed about anyone in my life. All I did was look at the website he tweeted about and posted his silly comment about 2017s in his 2015 story. Unfollowed him on twitter earlier, three other dads I know did same thing.

Sounds like you guys all got together on an e-mail chain and decided to unfollow him. I'm sure Ty must be so heartbroken!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are all obsessed with Ty. Boarderline creepy! Maybe you will get lucky and he will mention your son

Never was obsessed about anyone in my life. All I did was look at the website he tweeted about and posted his silly comment about 2017s in his 2015 story. Unfollowed him on twitter earlier, three other dads I know did same thing.

Sounds like you guys all got together on an e-mail chain and decided to unfollow him. I'm sure Ty must be so heartbroken!!!

Haha! Bet they the "unfollowers" are obsessively checking the recruitingrundown website every five minutes in hopes that their son is finally mentioned!

What is the [******] website?

Did someone say 3d was moving fast? The only post they've put up since June has been their rankings, and their new site won't be up until "early 2015". It still looks shady for an event + club business to try and get into rankings and all that jazz that IL once did.

Advantage: the 20-something who you all like to make things up about. Gotta give him credit for a pretty impressive site.

Just wait you will see. 3d will be the source. Ty Xanders has too many conflicts and goes out of his way to support those who support him everyone knows that. He has had no competition until now. He is just the mouth piece of those who now pay him and take care of him only could happen in lacrosse. No one faults the kid he has to earn se money one way or another but don't think he has any clout long term

I looked at recruitingrundown.com for the first time today & respectfully disagree. This is not a website but more so a blog which costs $2.99 a month to put up via GoDaddy. With a spare hour or two anyone can watch a YouTube video on formatting and links. He's put up most commonly known websites for this sport events and organizations wise, but what is noticeable would be the absence of ads or banner ad references after clicking the links listed. He's not being paid by this website, so what comes of it is being paid for what gets blogged onto the site. Simple stuff I would guess, events pay him to come cover events. I would say from the outside looking in that with roughly 7,600 Twitter followers after more than a year of being the eyes of the lacrosse recruiting scene, that is a pretty unexciting property to this marketing guy. But that may say more negative about lacrosse being too small a fish to make a business like this around rather than a negative onto Ty Xanders. His chances of making money would greatly improve if he did a technical blog about X-Games sports.

Why would college coaches want to plant their player evaluations into the social media via IL, 3d, Ty Xanders or anyone else? If I were a D1 coach I would sponge what I could from those websites and twitter accounts and contribute nothing back. If there is a diamond in the rough, or a kid from Canada who has it all except for a write up...why the heck would I want to feed the other NCAA programs I compete with my honest evaluations? Like we all learned from Don Corleone in the Godfather, you never talk about the family business outside of the family. The college coaches I had would never, ever have said or done anything to help a competitor. I privately wonder if the smart ones like Tierney nod and go along with the hype of a kid they don't want to divert attention away from the players they do want. Ever notice how Denver recruits build a ranking and reputation AFTER committing late to Denver?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would college coaches want to plant their player evaluations into the social media via IL, 3d, Ty Xanders or anyone else? If I were a D1 coach I would sponge what I could from those websites and twitter accounts and contribute nothing back. If there is a diamond in the rough, or a kid from Canada who has it all except for a write up...why the heck would I want to feed the other NCAA programs I compete with my honest evaluations? Like we all learned from Don Corleone in the Godfather, you never talk about the family business outside of the family. The college coaches I had would never, ever have said or done anything to help a competitor. I privately wonder if the smart ones like Tierney nod and go along with the hype of a kid they don't want to divert attention away from the players they do want. Ever notice how Denver recruits build a ranking and reputation AFTER committing late to Denver?

YEP! Tierney is no dummy, and he is smart enough to trust his instincts, not what someone else tells him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would college coaches want to plant their player evaluations into the social media via IL, 3d, Ty Xanders or anyone else? If I were a D1 coach I would sponge what I could from those websites and twitter accounts and contribute nothing back. If there is a diamond in the rough, or a kid from Canada who has it all except for a write up...why the heck would I want to feed the other NCAA programs I compete with my honest evaluations? Like we all learned from Don Corleone in the Godfather, you never talk about the family business outside of the family. The college coaches I had would never, ever have said or done anything to help a competitor. I privately wonder if the smart ones like Tierney nod and go along with the hype of a kid they don't want to divert attention away from the players they do want. Ever notice how Denver recruits build a ranking and reputation AFTER committing late to Denver?

YEP! Tierney is no dummy, and he is smart enough to trust his instincts, not what someone else tells him.

Notre Dame too. In the final four they had one middie who was huge, fast and strong with a decent stick and he ABUSED an excellent Maryland defense in the semi game. That kid was from some whatever high school in wherever Detroit Michigan suburbs and therefore came out of nowhere for those reasons. ND found that kid because nobody else looked that way. I find it interesting that two programs that are not big early recruiters who also get a lot of off the run recruits filled up half the final four and championship game spots.

look at the 3d rising ranks & birthdays

12 of the 30 are kids that would be considered reclassified here in Long island. They have birth days before September.

I think it is worth stating that none of the LI kids in that list are older- so good for them.

I expect that is not the case for the IL list. Why the acceptance of the double standard?

Maybe only 12 kids from LI are legitimately in the top 30. And thatay be generous considering there are great players in non-hot beds who don't get the hype from IL or others. 12 is a big number of you consider how small LI is and if you consider lacrosse to be more than a regional sport.

Notre Dame and Duke are early recruiters. They were looking at kids and inviting campus visits last fall. They did not want to commit anyone until the end of freshman year grades are in but they knew who they wanted. That is still early recruiting no matter how you look at it. These kids all committed before they are sophomores!!! That is early by any definition.

3d rankings looks legit. Done by experts and former college coaches with no agenda. Can't say any conflicts 3d kids ( all 3 of them) deserving. Very transparent. Also realize that they only ranked one class so they really could evaluate the kids. Will be curious to see how 3d develops from this. Will they do other classes?

ND has seven commits, and maybe more that we don't know about. Duke seems to have the most misleading public front versus reality. They are very loud and arrogant to insist that they don't look at or evaluate 9th graders, and are above all of this, which is plainly not the case. One of Duke's recent 2017 commits announced in late summer had vrebally committed there last December. No issue with coaches who go super early, and no issues with ones who have a philosophy to wait and there are plenty of both. But why does Duke lie about it? That was my first question to the coaches when they were doing diligence on our kid last winter. It was not well received. At least Starsia and Petro are who they are, whether you like it or not with no apologies. I respect that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3d rankings looks legit. Done by experts and former college coaches with no agenda. Can't say any conflicts 3d kids ( all 3 of them) deserving. Very transparent. Also realize that they only ranked one class so they really could evaluate the kids. Will be curious to see how 3d develops from this. Will they do other classes?

One class ranked because the guy doing it (RD) recruited this 2017 class. Do your research on where he coached and how many are from that school or where recruited by that school. No agendas? #BIGHOUSE

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe only 12 kids from LI are legitimately in the top 30. And thatay be generous considering there are great players in non-hot beds who don't get the hype from IL or others. 12 is a big number of you consider how small LI is and if you consider lacrosse to be more than a regional sport.

The "non hotbed" players that are GREAT athletes and players, what amount of quality players do they compete against on a daily basis?

I guess he also could've been a coach at Virginia (5) on the list or Duke also (5) on the list. Also had Casey Vock, and Matt Rowley listed as rankers. The guy works for 3d now if anything he would be pushing those kids. Only had 3 3d kids mentioned. All 30 kids seem to be headed to great places.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3d rankings looks legit. Done by experts and former college coaches with no agenda. Can't say any conflicts 3d kids ( all 3 of them) deserving. Very transparent. Also realize that they only ranked one class so they really could evaluate the kids. Will be curious to see how 3d develops from this. Will they do other classes?

No, it's all about Colin looking good! And you think they are transparent, no conflict of interest? ha!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess he also could've been a coach at Virginia (5) on the list or Duke also (5) on the list. Also had Casey Vock, and Matt Rowley listed as rankers. The guy works for 3d now if anything he would be pushing those kids. Only had 3 3d kids mentioned. All 30 kids seem to be headed to great places.

True. And many kids not on any of these list whom happen to be going to great places also, so whats your point?

Look, it is impossible to rank players its never right. Its not a perfect science to say the least, Kids always get forgotten and the kids who get ranked, their parents defend it until their kid isn't ranked next year or DROPS lower. Happens in all sports.

You are ignorant. Munro's kid was ranked higher by Xanders than by the 3d guys. No one can argue the kid is definitely a top 10 player. Have you seem him play? He is great player really fun to watch.

If you're going to discuss transparency or the lack of you're going to have to do a lot better than that

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe only 12 kids from LI are legitimately in the top 30. And thatay be generous considering there are great players in non-hot beds who don't get the hype from IL or others. 12 is a big number of you consider how small LI is and if you consider lacrosse to be more than a regional sport.

12 kids? Do you realize the massive amount of D1 commits from LI? Do you realize there is a BUNCH more than 12 kids!! Just between 91 & Turtles there must be over 20 D1 commits, thats only two teams.

I've heard from a good source (kid plays for 3d NE) that 3d purposefully left their deserving kids off of the lists so that people would find them as credible. Then they go ahead and go to like 4 or 5 tournaments - that's it - and rank all the Michigan recruits. HA!

Still looks odd that a tournament and club business wants to blow up into rankings. Does that not rub anybody the wrong way??!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3d rankings looks legit. Done by experts and former college coaches with no agenda. Can't say any conflicts 3d kids ( all 3 of them) deserving. Very transparent. Also realize that they only ranked one class so they really could evaluate the kids. Will be curious to see how 3d develops from this. Will they do other classes?

No, it's all about Colin looking good! And you think they are transparent, no conflict of interest? ha!

Seriously? Go after daddy all you want but it is over the line to pick on his kid. Hopefully no one blames your kid for your obnoxious behavior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3d rankings looks legit. Done by experts and former college coaches with no agenda. Can't say any conflicts 3d kids ( all 3 of them) deserving. Very transparent. Also realize that they only ranked one class so they really could evaluate the kids. Will be curious to see how 3d develops from this. Will they do other classes?

No, it's all about Colin looking good! And you think they are transparent, no conflict of interest? ha!

Seriously? Go after daddy all you want but it is over the line to pick on his kid. Hopefully no one blames your kid for your obnoxious behavior.

I don't think the poster is "picking on the kid". Its more of the annoying constant agenda by these big money dad coaches/club owners. Its been going on for ever in lacrosse & other youth/HS sports. And its well documented that his son is older. So he is compared to most kids that are younger than him. So I would think many people don't RESPECT that, therefore they aren't on the kid side from that perspective either. Cheating is cheating, you can spin it any way you want but its cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've heard from a good source (kid plays for 3d NE) that 3d purposefully left their deserving kids off of the lists so that people would find them as credible. Then they go ahead and go to like 4 or 5 tournaments - that's it - and rank all the Michigan recruits. HA!

Still looks odd that a tournament and club business wants to blow up into rankings. Does that not rub anybody the wrong way??!

I don't really have any gripe with any of the rankings But I find these comments a bit ridiculous. As another guy mentioned Virginia had 5 and Duke had 5. How is mentioning 4 players biased when it is less then Duke and Virginia and they are all great players. Some schools seem to be very successful recruiting great players early. All the kids mentioned from LI are very deserving. This certainly doesn't mention all of any schools recruits. That's rediculous. You could more easily say he mentioned more of Duke's or Virginia's recruits.

Also 3d has teams in at least 10 states including Canada. 3d has its own D1, D2 and D3 recruiting Tournament. 3d has multiple clinics and camps throughout the country. 3d won the u-15. They are certainly qualified to rank kids. They seem to be at every single event at all age groups. They seem to have the resources and expertise to assess the talent. If they were truly biased they would rank more 3d kids but as the other poster mentioned they did'nt. Whether you think it was intentional that they left 3d kids off not to show bias is crazy. You must then believe in Tooth Fairies and Leprechauns.

It's not "cheating" to leave your kid back a year. If you have seen him play you would know that he would have been a top recruit no matter what year he was in. Lets just be honest. Munro doesn't need any ranking to promote his son. Everyone will tell you he is a top 5 or 10 player no matter what year.

We have to get over people who decide to reclassify their kids. Those are personal decisions that I am sure are not easy for several reasons. You all need to just feel better about your kids' successes when they did not reclassify

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3d rankings looks legit. Done by experts and former college coaches with no agenda. Can't say any conflicts 3d kids ( all 3 of them) deserving. Very transparent. Also realize that they only ranked one class so they really could evaluate the kids. Will be curious to see how 3d develops from this. Will they do other classes?

No, it's all about Colin looking good! And you think they are transparent, no conflict of interest? ha!

Seriously? Go after daddy all you want but it is over the line to pick on his kid. Hopefully no one blames your kid for your obnoxious behavior.

I don't think the poster is "picking on the kid". Its more of the annoying constant agenda by these big money dad coaches/club owners. Its been going on for ever in lacrosse & other youth/HS sports. And its well documented that his son is older. So he is compared to most kids that are younger than him. So I would think many people don't RESPECT that, therefore they aren't on the kid side from that perspective either. Cheating is cheating, you can spin it any way you want but its cheating.

Agreed!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not "cheating" to leave your kid back a year. If you have seen him play you would know that he would have been a top recruit no matter what year he was in. Lets just be honest. Munro doesn't need any ranking to promote his son. Everyone will tell you he is a top 5 or 10 player no matter what year.

We have to get over people who decide to reclassify their kids. Those are personal decisions that I am sure are not easy for several reasons. You all need to just feel better about your kids' successes when they did not reclassify

He wouldn't be top 10 if He were in the 2016 where he belongs. Many players far superior. He is simply a cheating holdback who looks good due to smoke and mirrors lax mentality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not "cheating" to leave your kid back a year. If you have seen him play you would know that he would have been a top recruit no matter what year he was in. Lets just be honest. Munro doesn't need any ranking to promote his son. Everyone will tell you he is a top 5 or 10 player no matter what year.

We have to get over people who decide to reclassify their kids. Those are personal decisions that I am sure are not easy for several reasons. You all need to just feel better about your kids' successes when they did not reclassify

He wouldn't be top 10 if He were in the 2016 where he belongs. Many players far superior. He is simply a cheating holdback who looks good due to smoke and mirrors lax mentality.

I'm sure he cares. Laughing all the way to UNC

You have not seen him play.

There are several kids on both ranking lists that might not be ranked if they hadn't reclassified. That's not going to change. Stop whining about it. It makes you feel better for the kids that didn't reclassify.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not "cheating" to leave your kid back a year. If you have seen him play you would know that he would have been a top recruit no matter what year he was in. Lets just be honest. Munro doesn't need any ranking to promote his son. Everyone will tell you he is a top 5 or 10 player no matter what year.

We have to get over people who decide to reclassify their kids. Those are personal decisions that I am sure are not easy for several reasons. You all need to just feel better about your kids' successes when they did not reclassify

STOP. My son is a big, fast, 2018 offensive player. Can and has stood out against fellow 2018 and 2017's. Can compete with 2016's and 2015's. Put him against 2019's at this moment, and he would look like the next Paul Rabil. (AND HE'S NOT) However, given his physical maturity, size and speed, not many if any real 2019's could stay with him. Hence, against weaker competition, playing down, he would look like a superstar or top 10 kid. I just can't understand why people don't get this??? I further can't imagine why D1 coaches buy the talent level of kids playing against younger, Physically immature, slower, smaller competition? It just doesn't make any sense athletically. I would think just the opposite, if a kid played up and was successful, he would kill it on age in college? I guess time will tell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not "cheating" to leave your kid back a year. If you have seen him play you would know that he would have been a top recruit no matter what year he was in. Lets just be honest. Munro doesn't need any ranking to promote his son. Everyone will tell you he is a top 5 or 10 player no matter what year.

We have to get over people who decide to reclassify their kids. Those are personal decisions that I am sure are not easy for several reasons. You all need to just feel better about your kids' successes when they did not reclassify

He wouldn't be top 10 if He were in the 2016 where he belongs. Many players far superior. He is simply a cheating holdback who looks good due to smoke and mirrors lax mentality.

I'm sure he cares. Laughing all the way to UNC

I'd be embarrassed if I held my kid back and the best he could do was UNC. Now that's funny!

Whatever your feelings are about reclassified kids it should not take away the accomplishment of the other kids that are ranked in 3d or IL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whatever your feelings are about reclassified kids it should not take away the accomplishment of the other kids that are ranked in 3d or IL.

If you Reclassed, it unfortunately does minimize the accomplishments of that player. He is labeled as a cheater who was too scared to play against kids his own age. Kind of like a bully

But it should not lessen the achievement of other kids who are ranked and did not reclassify.

Only 1 or 2 out of the 28-30 2017 D1 commits out LI are reclassified kids. Pretty impressive that it is such a low number.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not "cheating" to leave your kid back a year. If you have seen him play you would know that he would have been a top recruit no matter what year he was in. Lets just be honest. Munro doesn't need any ranking to promote his son. Everyone will tell you he is a top 5 or 10 player no matter what year.

We have to get over people who decide to reclassify their kids. Those are personal decisions that I am sure are not easy for several reasons. You all need to just feel better about your kids' successes when they did not reclassify

He wouldn't be top 10 if He were in the 2016 where he belongs. Many players far superior. He is simply a cheating holdback who looks good due to smoke and mirrors lax mentality.

Exactly, he wouldn't be a top 10 player in 2016. I will say he is a good player, inside finisher with lots of box skill. Very good IQ, but he makes mistakes like every other committed or uncommitted player that is a teenager. He is a prime example of the help of holding back which is why his dad preaches it openly to groups of parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only 1 or 2 out of the 28-30 2017 D1 commits out LI are reclassified kids. Pretty impressive that it is such a low number.

I totally agree. Great job by all these LI boys working hard and being challenged since they are young, What ncaa schools are the held players going to?

Is True Blue the only club not participating in the fall season?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.

Don't service academies have their own prep schools? I would be very leery of sending a kid to one of the service academies if they were not very close to admission standards, the academics are very rigorous.

Were the sophomores who asked to leave Chaminade lacrosse players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.

Don't service academies have their own prep schools? I would be very leery of sending a kid to one of the service academies if they were not very close to admission standards, the academics are very rigorous.

Annapolis and West Point do have captive PG year prep schools and it is specific for kids who would need a year of academic development to enter the academies. Not sure about Air Force. The service academies are special and unique opportunities and are truly the only 100% free education out there if there is a lacrosse pull. But to go to one of these places primarily to be an athlete would be a mistake. The kids who go there are all in committed to the service academy and sports is just an activity.

Jamie Munro tweets:Congrats Colin for getting your drivers license today. How bout congrats for cheating to make yourself look better. Disgusting!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jamie Munro tweets:Congrats Colin for getting your drivers license today. How bout congrats for cheating to make yourself look better. Disgusting!

If your on twitter, just tweet that back...

But isn't it just too fun to remain anonymous???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jamie Munro tweets:Congrats Colin for getting your drivers license today. How bout congrats for cheating to make yourself look better. Disgusting!

the question is why are you following him ?

At some level celebrate the holdbacks. I am a Maryland parent and I am proud that he is a 2017 who turned 15 just a few months ago. As these kids keep going, the physical advantage of holding back goes down and kids like my son will be experienced against older kids from club and high school play. What we will be seeing on the NCAA field when our 2017s are in college is kids who are not MENTALLY TOUGH will disappear on the benches and the kids who have grit will get their reward. I say let the sissies repeat as much as they want. It catches up in the end.

Any thoughts on the Fall Prospect days? Which have been productive, money-grabs, etc.? Brown, Yale, Bucknell, Colgate, Cornell, Richmond, Penn, others ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jamie Munro tweets:Congrats Colin for getting your drivers license today. How bout congrats for cheating to make yourself look better. Disgusting!

the question is why are you following him ?

For entertainment, same reason I read botc. Any other questions?

Get over the reclass thing people.
Coaches want 19,20,21 and 22 year olds on thier rosters that are bigger, stronger and more developed. Not going to get a lot out of a 17 coming on campus in the fall.

Anybody know who won the Heisman last year?
A 19 year old Jamies Winston who reclassed!!

didn't Rob Pannell reclass

The difference is that Winston got a full ride and will go on to make millions playing football. Can't say the same thing for any of the kids playing lax...

Re classing is really about the stupid parents feeling the need to brag about their spoiled, left back, silver spoon mouthed, weak lax player that can't compete on his own level and needs daddy to pay $40 for a year at Gilman...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get over the reclass thing people.
Coaches want 19,20,21 and 22 year olds on thier rosters that are bigger, stronger and more developed. Not going to get a lot out of a 17 coming on campus in the fall.

Anybody know who won the Heisman last year?
A 19 year old Jamies Winston who reclassed!!

Coaches want the best and toughest players. Winston was a 19 year old Fla State redshirt like everyone else. He didn't go sissy and repeat 9th grade. Being one year older doesn't help you in D1, at least not in my experience. You are tough and can play or you are not and you can't. It will be "interesting" to see how well these repeat kids cope when their support system from dads and club guys can't "fix" their boo boos anymore.

2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.

These the 2 that just got expelled from Chaminade for posting a video on social media?

"Being one year older doesn't help you in D1"

Wake up!
Jamies Winston wasnt winning no Heisman at 18.
Rob Pannell didn't win the Tewaarton as a 19,20 or 21 year old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Being one year older doesn't help you in D1"

Wake up!
Jamies Winston wasnt winning no Heisman at 18.
Rob Pannell didn't win the Tewaarton as a 19,20 or 21 year old.

Those examples are lame. Winston won the Heisman as a 19 year old redshirt freshman. Rob Pannell did a PG year, and did make All America as a 19 and 20 year old and almost won the Tewaarton the year Steele Stanwick did when he was 20. You just cited two guys one of whom was a redshirt freshman and the other did a PG year to be able to go Ivy. That is hardly pointing out how awesome it is to be a year older. The best college hoops players are 19 year old one and dones. The best college lacrosse players we have seen in last 15 years were all impact players as freshmen. Some were PG year kids but few or any were repeat middle school softies. The bottom line is if you think a kid who is an undersized HS freshman who is also 16 is what winds up being an early recruit for age reasons will be a better player in college, you are very mistaken. You'll wake up when you see these holdback kids on the bottom of rosters spring 2018-21. Being a sissy catches up.

Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!

B

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Being one year older doesn't help you in D1"

Wake up!
Jamies Winston wasnt winning no Heisman at 18.
Rob Pannell didn't win the Tewaarton as a 19,20 or 21 year old.

Those examples are lame. Winston won the Heisman as a 19 year old redshirt freshman. Rob Pannell did a PG year, and did make All America as a 19 and 20 year old and almost won the Tewaarton the year Steele Stanwick did when he was 20. You just cited two guys one of whom was a redshirt freshman and the other did a PG year to be able to go Ivy. That is hardly pointing out how awesome it is to be a year older. The best college hoops players are 19 year old one and dones. The best college lacrosse players we have seen in last 15 years were all impact players as freshmen. Some were PG year kids but few or any were repeat middle school softies. The bottom line is if you think a kid who is an undersized HS freshman who is also 16 is what winds up being an early recruit for age reasons will be a better player in college, you are very mistaken. You'll wake up when you see these holdback kids on the bottom of rosters spring 2018-21. Being a sissy catches up.

Get the facts straight. Pannell in addition to a pg yr he also redid his at yr. like I say - surely being 2 to 3 yrs older didn't hurt him!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.

Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.

Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.

Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends

What happened?

And look at the jobs/careers that Steele Stanwyk and Rob Pannell have embarked on since graduating!!! Oh that's right - they became "professional" lacrosse players and train kids in peoples backyards. There's so something to strive for as a kid in high school!!! Great use of an outstanding education!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.

Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends

If they were "good kids" this wouldn't have happened. And one of them has zero remorse about it. Many are cringing what school they end up in, accountability & humility are pretty important character traits to have, maybe one day they will find it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.

Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends

I wonder if the people they were socially attacking & the younger kids they mistreated (and their families) in their school feel like they are all good kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.

Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends

What happened?

They are moving to Maryland, transferring to Boys Latin,
reclassing and joining the Crabs. Very sad story

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.

Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends

I wonder if the people they were socially attacking & the younger kids they mistreated (and their families) in their school feel like they are all good kids?

So what happened? Socially attacking ? Mistreating younger kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.

Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends

What happened?

They are moving to Maryland, transferring to Boys Latin,
reclassing and joining the Crabs. Very sad story

you are not funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.

Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends

What happened?

They are moving to Maryland, transferring to Boys Latin,
reclassing and joining the Crabs. Very sad story

you are not funny.

That was very funny, and not far from reality. That guy is funny

I just hope Colleges or lacrosse as a sport doesn't start letting players get away with stupid stuff just because they are good like they do in other sports on all levels. I know it happens but it needs to stop. It seems Lacrosse players get a bad rap to begin with. You do something wrong you pay the price no matter how talented you are on the field. With all the bullying, social media crap kids needs to learn and do the right thing but schools and colleges are sending the wrong message when players are allowed to do something wrong and end up get rewarded for it.

Just look at Harvard 2 players dismissed from school for 1 year for cheating and now both are captains of the team. What message are they sending. Harvard should be embarrassed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.

Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends

I wonder if the people they were socially attacking & the younger kids they mistreated (and their families) in their school feel like they are all good kids?

So what happened? Socially attacking ? Mistreating younger kids?

Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just hope Colleges or lacrosse as a sport doesn't start letting players get away with stupid stuff just because they are good like they do in other sports on all levels. I know it happens but it needs to stop. It seems Lacrosse players get a bad rap to begin with. You do something wrong you pay the price no matter how talented you are on the field. With all the bullying, social media crap kids needs to learn and do the right thing but schools and colleges are sending the wrong message when players are allowed to do something wrong and end up get rewarded for it.

Just look at Harvard 2 players dismissed from school for 1 year for cheating and now both are captains of the team. What message are they sending. Harvard should be embarrassed.

Great point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.

Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends

I wonder if the people they were socially attacking & the younger kids they mistreated (and their families) in their school feel like they are all good kids?

So what happened? Socially attacking ? Mistreating younger kids?

Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.

Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.

Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most. [/quote]

Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade. [/quote]\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

I am from Maryland and no dog in the Chaminade fight, but I do think it is best to permit the kids to withdraw from school. Boarding schools do that as well and for a reason. The reason is kids make mistakes, and should as minors be able to correct them or do better elsewhere. A call for draconian and public markings on kids is piling on too much I think. This incident and punishment is a life lesson and a call for these kids to do better with their second chance. There is not a reason to mark these kids in a permanently negative light over something like this from which they cannot recover. That could happen in this social media crazy world now, and I think it is unfair onto 15, 16 year old kids. I did plenty of dumb things back in the day and our generation never faced these public and repeated consequences of alike offenses. Just my two cents, and mark it to market at $0.02.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.

Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade. [/quote]\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

Why do you assume my son doesn't go to the school? Assumming is bad. Disappointed in the process, I think as parents we should pay more attention to what goes on in the school our kids go to. Private or public. So open your eyes.

[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.

Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade. [/quote]\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

[/quote]
Another example of how the students and parents money make the school. The school doesn't make the students. They don't take anyone, but sound students and well behaved kids. As soon as there's a problem academically or behaviorally they throw the kids out. It's not like the school is molding young men and teaching them to over come issues. They eliminate the issues. Then throw a lot of work at really smart kids that would have been in AP classes in PS. Somehow they take credit for kids that would have been just a successful anyway. Now if they were taking academically troubled kids and turning them into scholars or misbehaved kids a turning them into model students you might have something, but they don't do either.

It s called a plea bargain. I am sure these boys will be well versed in this procedure as they move on in life. Good riddance, we will be reading about you in the crime section of the Post someday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.

Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.

\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

Why do you assume my son doesn't go to the school? Assumming is bad. Disappointed in the process, I think as parents we should pay more attention to what goes on in the school our kids go to. Private or public. So open your eyes.

[/quote] [/quote]

My apologies for making a wrong assumption - would love to open my eyes but we are all passing judgment here on kids who did something that most of us know nothing about. You seem to have inside info my fellow Flyer, care to share it with the rest of us so we can determine for ourselves whether Chaminade handled this correctly? Hard to pass judgment on the sentence without knowing the crime. All I understand is that it was a video posted on social media - but no clue what the content of the video was. You must to be so critical of the way the administration handled it. Thanks in advance for letting us all in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am from Maryland and no dog in the Chaminade fight, but I do think it is best to permit the kids to withdraw from school. Boarding schools do that as well and for a reason. The reason is kids make mistakes, and should as minors be able to correct them or do better elsewhere. A call for draconian and public markings on kids is piling on too much I think. This incident and punishment is a life lesson and a call for these kids to do better with their second chance. There is not a reason to mark these kids in a permanently negative light over something like this from which they cannot recover. That could happen in this social media crazy world now, and I think it is unfair onto 15, 16 year old kids. I did plenty of dumb things back in the day and our generation never faced these public and repeated consequences of alike offenses. Just my two cents, and mark it to market at $0.02.

You may not have a dog in the fight but your two cents sure makes good sense. I would not have gotten where I have if social media and selfies, etc were around back in the day to record the dumb stuff I did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!

he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.

Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.

\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

Why do you assume my son doesn't go to the school? Assumming is bad. Disappointed in the process, I think as parents we should pay more attention to what goes on in the school our kids go to. Private or public. So open your eyes.

[/quote]

My apologies for making a wrong assumption - would love to open my eyes but we are all passing judgment here on kids who did something that most of us know nothing about. You seem to have inside info my fellow Flyer, care to share it with the rest of us so we can determine for ourselves whether Chaminade handled this correctly? Hard to pass judgment on the sentence without knowing the crime. All I understand is that it was a video posted on social media - but no clue what the content of the video was. You must to be so critical of the way the administration handled it. Thanks in advance for letting us all in. [/quote]

Have a good day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.

Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade. [/quote]\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

[/quote]

Not to worry. St Anthony's will gladly take them if they are good athletes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.

Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.

\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

Why do you assume my son doesn't go to the school? Assumming is bad. Disappointed in the process, I think as parents we should pay more attention to what goes on in the school our kids go to. Private or public. So open your eyes.

My apologies for making a wrong assumption - would love to open my eyes but we are all passing judgment here on kids who did something that most of us know nothing about. You seem to have inside info my fellow Flyer, care to share it with the rest of us so we can determine for ourselves whether Chaminade handled this correctly? Hard to pass judgment on the sentence without knowing the crime. All I understand is that it was a video posted on social media - but no clue what the content of the video was. You must to be so critical of the way the administration handled it. Thanks in advance for letting us all in. [/quote]

Have a good day. [/quote]

That's your answer? Really? Sure makes your criticism of Chaminade's handling of this credible.

It was a video "interviewing" kids they felt were uncool or not smart. They then posted it on the internet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.

Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.

\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

[/quote]

Not to worry. St Anthony's will gladly take them if they are good athletes. [/quote]

One is already on the way!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am from Maryland and no dog in the Chaminade fight, but I do think it is best to permit the kids to withdraw from school. Boarding schools do that as well and for a reason. The reason is kids make mistakes, and should as minors be able to correct them or do better elsewhere. A call for draconian and public markings on kids is piling on too much I think. This incident and punishment is a life lesson and a call for these kids to do better with their second chance. There is not a reason to mark these kids in a permanently negative light over something like this from which they cannot recover. That could happen in this social media crazy world now, and I think it is unfair onto 15, 16 year old kids. I did plenty of dumb things back in the day and our generation never faced these public and repeated consequences of alike offenses. Just my two cents, and mark it to market at $0.02.

Thank you for such a rational and classy response. The fire breathing that goes on here is amazing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.

Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.

\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

[/quote]
Another example of how the students and parents money make the school. The school doesn't make the students. They don't take anyone, but sound students and well behaved kids. As soon as there's a problem academically or behaviorally they throw the kids out. It's not like the school is molding young men and teaching them to over come issues. They eliminate the issues. Then throw a lot of work at really smart kids that would have been in AP classes in PS. Somehow they take credit for kids that would have been just a successful anyway. Now if they were taking academically troubled kids and turning them into scholars or misbehaved kids a turning them into model students you might have something, but they don't do either. [/quote]

You are frighteningly clueless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 of the sophs left Chaminade were lacrosse players.

Left? It wasn't their choice. Bounced.

it's a very sad situation, a hard lesson to learn for all involved and hope this one mistake does not hurt them down the road. All good kids, good teammates and friends

I wonder if the people they were socially attacking & the younger kids they mistreated (and their families) in their school feel like they are all good kids?

So what happened? Socially attacking ? Mistreating younger kids?

Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.

Same at Kellenberg. Same Brothers, same code of conduct. Lax players were expelled last year for ethics violations, in fact.

Lack of personal accountability in the public system is what draws many people to a Catholic / Private school. Some like to rail on here that not all Catholic school kids are perfect. The funny thing is, no one at a Catholic school would disagree. However, the tolerance leash is tight and if the line is crossed, then there's a consequence. There should be more of that in today's society.

college prospect camps are generally not ''money grabs" IF "spots" are still available...

Brechi's 3 hour group clinic at $175 define's money grab

the boys were caught posting a "prank" video without thinking of the consequences of their action... simple.
hopefully they, and all the boys, can learn to think before acting...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.

Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.

\

There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

Another example of how the students and parents money make the school. The school doesn't make the students. They don't take anyone, but sound students and well behaved kids. As soon as there's a problem academically or behaviorally they throw the kids out. It's not like the school is molding young men and teaching them to over come issues. They eliminate the issues. Then throw a lot of work at really smart kids that would have been in AP classes in PS. Somehow they take credit for kids that would have been just a successful anyway. Now if they were taking academically troubled kids and turning them into scholars or misbehaved kids a turning them into model students you might have something, but they don't do either. [/quote]

You are frighteningly clueless. [/quote]

So they let academically challenged kids and those with behavioral problems in now? Sorry who's clueless? Look in the mirror.

Maryland parent again here. Why the repeated vitriol? What if there was an anonymous "lacrosse parent stories" thread on BOTC where people came on anonymously and trashed certain club families? There'd be a lot of material and we all know that from having lived the sidelines show.

Two 15-16 year old LI kids at one LI private school had a behaviour problem and a consequence for it. No crime, drugs or tragedy involved. Have some restraint and some class, and remember you too have a teenage son. They're expected to supposed to make some life mistakes now and learn from them. Else be the forty-something making mistakes and that is a lot more consequential. Let 15-16 year olds be to an extent to make a mistake like this and learn to remedy it going ahead. We don't need to celebrate that one way or defend it next. It makes imperfect people better, and we are all imperfect people (especially lacrosse parents).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland parent again here. Why the repeated vitriol? What if there was an anonymous "lacrosse parent stories" thread on BOTC where people came on anonymously and trashed certain club families? There'd be a lot of material and we all know that from having lived the sidelines show.

Two 15-16 year old LI kids at one LI private school had a behaviour problem and a consequence for it. No crime, drugs or tragedy involved. Have some restraint and some class, and remember you too have a teenage son. They're expected to supposed to make some life mistakes now and learn from them. Else be the forty-something making mistakes and that is a lot more consequential. Let 15-16 year olds be to an extent to make a mistake like this and learn to remedy it going ahead. We don't need to celebrate that one way or defend it next. It makes imperfect people better, and we are all imperfect people (especially lacrosse parents).

Maryland parent, you need to stop posting on this site - you make way too much sense to be here. There but by the grace of God go I comes to mind here. I am that 40-something adult who made all kinds of stupid mistakes when I was a teenager and am just thankful I did not come of age with social media there to document those mistakes. From what I understand of the facts here, these students are paying a very high price for their mistake that was not all that eggregious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the Chaminade haters now? Think this would have happened if they were in a public school? They might have gotten detention at most.

Hey Mr. Flyer, you have a lot more of that going on than you know at your prestiogous school. Here is one for you, are you proud that Chaminade gave these students the chance to leave without expelling them? You do realize that right? You do realize they brushed it under the rug, right? Thats morally & ethiclly the right thing to do I guess, LOL.

So when they show up at another private school the admissions dept is clueless to the history/behavior of these students, shame on Chaminade.

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There is one of the haters now - what your kid didn't getin? You seem to know a lot about this situation - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what the kids did? My kid is at Chaminade and I don't have a clue. Also please tell us what your public school would have done with the 3 students?

As for allowing them to leave without expelling them, people are allowed to resign, quit, etc all the time and in all walks of life. It is a product of the times we live in. All done to avoid being sued and having to pay lawyers to defend a suit. If you are going to rail against Chaminade why not rail against the rest of the world for letting miscreants off the hook?

Another example of how the students and parents money make the school. The school doesn't make the students. They don't take anyone, but sound students and well behaved kids. As soon as there's a problem academically or behaviorally they throw the kids out. It's not like the school is molding young men and teaching them to over come issues. They eliminate the issues. Then throw a lot of work at really smart kids that would have been in AP classes in PS. Somehow they take credit for kids that would have been just a successful anyway. Now if they were taking academically troubled kids and turning them into scholars or misbehaved kids a turning them into model students you might have something, but they don't do either.

You are frighteningly clueless. [/quote]

So they let academically challenged kids and those with behavioral problems in now? Sorry who's clueless? Look in the mirror. [/quote]

Public schools can't just throw kids out, it's legally very difficult, or next to impossible to do so. Read a public school's by-laws and charter. Chaminade let the kids leave school, they didn't throw them out (although they probably would've). It's like letting someone quit their job instead of being fired so it doesn't reflect poorly on their track record. This type of stuff happens all the time at all school districts. Let's stop acting like Chaminade is some superior school that produces superior students, it's a basic Catholic school, filled with 2,000 boys, they're going to make mistakes, they're going to have kids that get mediocre grades, and go to mediocre colleges. It's not the 2,000 finest boys from Long Island.

No school is filled with all valedcitorians and angels. Nobody is saying Chaminade = perfection or that kids there don't maky mistakes. They make plenty of them. I think the point is many parents feel the environment is conducive to their kids hopefully making fewer mistakes. That said, it is a superior school. There is no denying that from a rational standpoint. It is just not for everyone, and that is cool. If it is not for you and your son maybe just take the high road and refrain from bashing parents and kids who make different choices. When you start arguing that it is a mediocre school you just sound uninformed and bitter.

Let's change the topic and maybe stir a new pot. I am a Maryland parent of a committed 2017 with an older and a younger sibling. I have come to a few conclusions about MD lacrosse and the 2017 class.

1. I think lacrosse is declining in MD at the club level. The strong prep programs can develop players, but now clubs don't after U-13.
2. I think the 2014s were the last "great " MD HS class. MD and DMV areas are very good for 2015, but not great. It falls down and apart after that.
3. I think MD wise and nationally the 2017s are a weak class despite the novelty of this class's early recruiting notoriety.

The Crabs 2014s were possibly the greatest club team of all time. The 2015s Crabs are awesome and have company at or near the top (Dukes, Leading Edge, WCS, etc.). These 2015 teams are GREAT TEAMS with at least very good players at every position. There are no great 2016 teams and there is one great 2017 team (LI Turtles). The other first tier 2017 teams are very good, but none are great and only the Turtles deserves any comparative to the great 2014 and 2015 club teams.

Great players...I saw many 2014s and 2015s in MD / DMV where you walk away thinking wow...that is a can't miss future college star. I have not seen a single 2016 fit that bill and have seen only one 2017 kid in MD / DMV I would make that statement about.

The 2017 rankings and class notes emphasize how deep this class is on talent and especially at poles and goalies. The poles in this class are less than average and there is not a single goalie in this class who does not need to improve A LOT to see the field and do much anything in D1. This is a class where poles who can't stop a sneeze and goalies who are either horrible against high heat or are midgets get ranked because they committed, and that is a joke. This is a TERRIBLE goalie class. This class is top heavy with a few good FOGOs from LI, and I have seen three attackmen who get my eye as exceptional including the one kid I mentioned above. There are no elite middies in this class, but there are a ton of very good ones. Pick seven out of the 300 or so good ones and you will blend into the decent D1 recruiting classes at that position.

That is pretty harsh but I also think the causality is not that there is an ebb and flow of talents by year, and that the 2014s-15s were the outliers and the 2016s-17s are the down years. I think it is permanent at least here in the MD DMV. Clubs stop instructing and start prepping only game play or showcasing too early, and the players don't develop. With some exceptions, mostly the strong prep program kids, the committed 2016s and 2017s are the same players they were at U-15. And that won't cut it at a high level. I'd love to see more instructional / developmental emphasis in our local programs my oldest son had all the way through HS. That does not exist here anymore. This is where non-hotbed kids will step up. A kid in Florida can't afford to stop grinding away at fundamentals or can his program because harder to get noticed and can't take for granted like we do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No school is filled with all valedcitorians and angels. Nobody is saying Chaminade = perfection or that kids there don't maky mistakes. They make plenty of them. I think the point is many parents feel the environment is conducive to their kids hopefully making fewer mistakes. That said, it is a superior school. There is no denying that from a rational standpoint. It is just not for everyone, and that is cool. If it is not for you and your son maybe just take the high road and refrain from bashing parents and kids who make different choices. When you start arguing that it is a mediocre school you just sound uninformed and bitter.

Not a superior school when compared to the best public schools by any means: 1) easy to get into Chaminade, 2) all boys so unrealistic environment to grow as a normal teenage boy, 3) students dont' get better grades, test scores, or gain admission to better colleges, 4) only people that feel the way you do are fellow parents that have kids at Chaminade - so you have what's called a superiority complex.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No school is filled with all valedcitorians and angels. Nobody is saying Chaminade = perfection or that kids there don't maky mistakes. They make plenty of them. I think the point is many parents feel the environment is conducive to their kids hopefully making fewer mistakes. That said, it is a superior school. There is no denying that from a rational standpoint. It is just not for everyone, and that is cool. If it is not for you and your son maybe just take the high road and refrain from bashing parents and kids who make different choices. When you start arguing that it is a mediocre school you just sound uninformed and bitter.

su�pe�ri�or�i�ty com�plex - noun
"an attitude of superiority that conceals actual feelings of inferiority and failure."

don't want to paint the entire institution with the same brush but sounds like this fits the above poster quite well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No school is filled with all valedcitorians and angels. Nobody is saying Chaminade = perfection or that kids there don't maky mistakes. They make plenty of them. I think the point is many parents feel the environment is conducive to their kids hopefully making fewer mistakes. That said, it is a superior school. There is no denying that from a rational standpoint. It is just not for everyone, and that is cool. If it is not for you and your son maybe just take the high road and refrain from bashing parents and kids who make different choices. When you start arguing that it is a mediocre school you just sound uninformed and bitter.

Not a superior school when compared to the best public schools by any means: 1) easy to get into Chaminade, 2) all boys so unrealistic environment to grow as a normal teenage boy, 3) students dont' get better grades, test scores, or gain admission to better colleges, 4) only people that feel the way you do are fellow parents that have kids at Chaminade - so you have what's called a superiority complex.

You are wrong about everything.....good luck to your son

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No school is filled with all valedcitorians and angels. Nobody is saying Chaminade = perfection or that kids there don't maky mistakes. They make plenty of them. I think the point is many parents feel the environment is conducive to their kids hopefully making fewer mistakes. That said, it is a superior school. There is no denying that from a rational standpoint. It is just not for everyone, and that is cool. If it is not for you and your son maybe just take the high road and refrain from bashing parents and kids who make different choices. When you start arguing that it is a mediocre school you just sound uninformed and bitter.

Not a superior school when compared to the best public schools by any means: 1) easy to get into Chaminade, 2) all boys so unrealistic environment to grow as a normal teenage boy, 3) students dont' get better grades, test scores, or gain admission to better colleges, 4) only people that feel the way you do are fellow parents that have kids at Chaminade - so you have what's called a superiority complex.

You are wrong about everything.....good luck to your son

When you say Chaminade is a superior school, what are you basing that on? I've never ever seen anything that backs up that assertion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's change the topic and maybe stir a new pot. I am a Maryland parent of a committed 2017 with an older and a younger sibling. I have come to a few conclusions about MD lacrosse and the 2017 class.

1. I think lacrosse is declining in MD at the club level. The strong prep programs can develop players, but now clubs don't after U-13.
2. I think the 2014s were the last "great " MD HS class. MD and DMV areas are very good for 2015, but not great. It falls down and apart after that.
3. I think MD wise and nationally the 2017s are a weak class despite the novelty of this class's early recruiting notoriety.

The Crabs 2014s were possibly the greatest club team of all time. The 2015s Crabs are awesome and have company at or near the top (Dukes, Leading Edge, WCS, etc.). These 2015 teams are GREAT TEAMS with at least very good players at every position. There are no great 2016 teams and there is one great 2017 team (LI Turtles). The other first tier 2017 teams are very good, but none are great and only the Turtles deserves any comparative to the great 2014 and 2015 club teams.

Great players...I saw many 2014s and 2015s in MD / DMV where you walk away thinking wow...that is a can't miss future college star. I have not seen a single 2016 fit that bill and have seen only one 2017 kid in MD / DMV I would make that statement about.

The 2017 rankings and class notes emphasize how deep this class is on talent and especially at poles and goalies. The poles in this class are less than average and there is not a single goalie in this class who does not need to improve A LOT to see the field and do much anything in D1. This is a class where poles who can't stop a sneeze and goalies who are either horrible against high heat or are midgets get ranked because they committed, and that is a joke. This is a TERRIBLE goalie class. This class is top heavy with a few good FOGOs from LI, and I have seen three attackmen who get my eye as exceptional including the one kid I mentioned above. There are no elite middies in this class, but there are a ton of very good ones. Pick seven out of the 300 or so good ones and you will blend into the decent D1 recruiting classes at that position.

That is pretty harsh but I also think the causality is not that there is an ebb and flow of talents by year, and that the 2014s-15s were the outliers and the 2016s-17s are the down years. I think it is permanent at least here in the MD DMV. Clubs stop instructing and start prepping only game play or showcasing too early, and the players don't develop. With some exceptions, mostly the strong prep program kids, the committed 2016s and 2017s are the same players they were at U-15. And that won't cut it at a high level. I'd love to see more instructional / developmental emphasis in our local programs my oldest son had all the way through HS. That does not exist here anymore. This is where non-hotbed kids will step up. A kid in Florida can't afford to stop grinding away at fundamentals or can his program because harder to get noticed and can't take for granted like we do.

I think there are a few exceptional middies who deserve to be ranked high. But there are a lot of points here that are valid. There is no new Ben Rubeor or Paul Rabil or Mike Evans in this 2017 class. The players in the 2017 class are the most fundamentally unsound players as a class in a generation. Lots of great athletes and some programs do develop lacrosse IQ, but not many of them. How many prospect days and recruiting tournaments have you been to where all day long middies kept it on their stick for 20 seconds at the top of the box and eventually shot it from outside 10 yards from the alley? Goalies running out to mid court to clear the ball? Stupid. Poles clearing the ball and then it is all over and they need to take a 15 yard bounce shot. X attackmen who stop and go half a dozen times and give no look to skip the ball? Mikey Powell was the best X attack player I ever saw and I never saw him stop and go more than 3 times before spinning the ball or going to the cage. 2017s are a mess. Maybe it won't be a trend past this class.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No school is filled with all valedcitorians and angels. Nobody is saying Chaminade = perfection or that kids there don't maky mistakes. They make plenty of them. I think the point is many parents feel the environment is conducive to their kids hopefully making fewer mistakes. That said, it is a superior school. There is no denying that from a rational standpoint. It is just not for everyone, and that is cool. If it is not for you and your son maybe just take the high road and refrain from bashing parents and kids who make different choices. When you start arguing that it is a mediocre school you just sound uninformed and bitter.

Not a superior school when compared to the best public schools by any means: 1) easy to get into Chaminade, 2) all boys so unrealistic environment to grow as a normal teenage boy, 3) students dont' get better grades, test scores, or gain admission to better colleges, 4) only people that feel the way you do are fellow parents that have kids at Chaminade - so you have what's called a superiority complex.

You are wrong about everything.....good luck to your son

When you say Chaminade is a superior school, what are you basing that on? I've never ever seen anything that backs up that assertion.

Acceptance rate last few years has been around 25%.
SAT scores for graduating seniors math and reading generlly average around 1250 each year

Just give it a rest dude...for whatever reason, you hate Chaminade. You have made that clear. Maybe best to just change the topic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No school is filled with all valedcitorians and angels. Nobody is saying Chaminade = perfection or that kids there don't maky mistakes. They make plenty of them. I think the point is many parents feel the environment is conducive to their kids hopefully making fewer mistakes. That said, it is a superior school. There is no denying that from a rational standpoint. It is just not for everyone, and that is cool. If it is not for you and your son maybe just take the high road and refrain from bashing parents and kids who make different choices. When you start arguing that it is a mediocre school you just sound uninformed and bitter.

Not a superior school when compared to the best public schools by any means: 1) easy to get into Chaminade, 2) all boys so unrealistic environment to grow as a normal teenage boy, 3) students dont' get better grades, test scores, or gain admission to better colleges, 4) only people that feel the way you do are fellow parents that have kids at Chaminade - so you have what's called a superiority complex.

try looking inferiority complex or Napoleon complex then go look in a mirror.

oh gosh, please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!

he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!

he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!

he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!

he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.

You're nothing but a good ole fashioned bully!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!

he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!

he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!

he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow calling 15 year olds sissy"s - classless

My son was asked to do a PG year/ reclass by a top 10 team
Money would be better and better role/fit with the team in a year

First year played 10 games then a three year starter
Now has a high end degree and a great job
Plays weekend lax in something called MLL

Not bad for a Sissy!!

he didn't call your kid (PG year kids) a sissy, and maybe yours isn't, although he could be a MLL sissy.

However, beyond the name calling, I don't think highly of "holdbacks" and believe that they and their parents should be called out. If it was shamed openly instead of on here then perhaps the kids would tell the delusional parents no.

You're nothing but a good ole fashioned bully!

Why is the poster a bully. It's the holdbacks that are bullies. They lack morals and character. Sad excuse for a human being. An example of what's wrong with society. Selfish, disrespectful behavior.

I think that you think too much. Your opinions are worthless

Think about that for a while.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's change the topic and maybe stir a new pot. I am a Maryland parent of a committed 2017 with an older and a younger sibling. I have come to a few conclusions about MD lacrosse and the 2017 class.

1. I think lacrosse is declining in MD at the club level. The strong prep programs can develop players, but now clubs don't after U-13.
2. I think the 2014s were the last "great " MD HS class. MD and DMV areas are very good for 2015, but not great. It falls down and apart after that.
3. I think MD wise and nationally the 2017s are a weak class despite the novelty of this class's early recruiting notoriety.

The Crabs 2014s were possibly the greatest club team of all time. The 2015s Crabs are awesome and have company at or near the top (Dukes, Leading Edge, WCS, etc.). These 2015 teams are GREAT TEAMS with at least very good players at every position. There are no great 2016 teams and there is one great 2017 team (LI Turtles). The other first tier 2017 teams are very good, but none are great and only the Turtles deserves any comparative to the great 2014 and 2015 club teams.

Great players...I saw many 2014s and 2015s in MD / DMV where you walk away thinking wow...that is a can't miss future college star. I have not seen a single 2016 fit that bill and have seen only one 2017 kid in MD / DMV I would make that statement about.

The 2017 rankings and class notes emphasize how deep this class is on talent and especially at poles and goalies. The poles in this class are less than average and there is not a single goalie in this class who does not need to improve A LOT to see the field and do much anything in D1. This is a class where poles who can't stop a sneeze and goalies who are either horrible against high heat or are midgets get ranked because they committed, and that is a joke. This is a TERRIBLE goalie class. This class is top heavy with a few good FOGOs from LI, and I have seen three attackmen who get my eye as exceptional including the one kid I mentioned above. There are no elite middies in this class, but there are a ton of very good ones. Pick seven out of the 300 or so good ones and you will blend into the decent D1 recruiting classes at that position.

That is pretty harsh but I also think the causality is not that there is an ebb and flow of talents by year, and that the 2014s-15s were the outliers and the 2016s-17s are the down years. I think it is permanent at least here in the MD DMV. Clubs stop instructing and start prepping only game play or showcasing too early, and the players don't develop. With some exceptions, mostly the strong prep program kids, the committed 2016s and 2017s are the same players they were at U-15. And that won't cut it at a high level. I'd love to see more instructional / developmental emphasis in our local programs my oldest son had all the way through HS. That does not exist here anymore. This is where non-hotbed kids will step up. A kid in Florida can't afford to stop grinding away at fundamentals or can his program because harder to get noticed and can't take for granted like we do.

Only flattering opinions of LI based 2017 players is of value. Ty Xanders is after all trying to build a business where that is the business plan.

The level of play of 2017s is far below 2014s and 2015s when they were sophs. Sorry, Dad.

Who are you that you feel qualified to rate 2017 against 2014 or 2015? Are you an espn analyst? How many games have you seen?

WHere does your son play and how old is he?

Please fill us in on how you deem yourself qualified to rate and entire 2017 group of kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are you that you feel qualified to rate 2017 against 2014 or 2015? Are you an espn analyst? How many games have you seen?

WHere does your son play and how old is he?

Please fill us in on how you deem yourself qualified to rate and entire 2017 group of kids.

I am like most BOTC posters, a parent who has spent seemingly every weekend for as long as I can remember sitting in a [lacrosse]'s sporting goods $39 lawn chair watching lacrosse. I have a HS 2014 class son at a D1 program and a D1 committed 2017 son, and a third son still at the middle school youth level. Both of my older sons played for a first tier club and at a top HS program. I am providing my opinion only, but after seeing a mind numbing volume of lacrosse those were my observations. Obviously A LOT of 2017 dads are going to disagree and call me an idiot. I have noticed a very distinct degradation of the quality and caliber of Maryland lacrosse in the past 2-3 years at the high school class by class progression.

Locally and nationally I think the 2014s were better than the 2015s and I believe the 2016s and 2017s as a class are materially weaker than the 2014s or 2015s. Just what I think and of course the parents of precious 2017 commits will attack. Answer me this though: do you think Ward Mellville's current team with some 2016s and 2017s is better than the 2013 team that was stacked with 2014s and 2015s? Do you think the 2016s and 2017s at St. Ants and Chaminade are the dominant classes at those schools in the past 5 years? Save for the single fantastic LI club team I named -- 2017 Turtles -- do you really think that there are elite LI Express or Team 91 teams that can come down to B'more and hang in the winner's bracket or win a Crabs tournament in the 2016 or 2017 classes? LI Express and Team 91 teams in those two school years come to MD to get piped by what I consider decent but not great MD club teams for those two classes. Team 91 can't beat regional 3d teams at that stupid fl$ in 3d thing either.

Maybe the decline in LI club play is not as distinct in LI as it is here in MD, but I see it on the field in the 2017 class every June, July and November. The performance of the non-2017 Turtle teams don't lie.

I am like most BOTC posters, a parent who has spent seemingly every weekend for as long as I can remember sitting in a [lacrosse]'s sporting goods $39 lawn chair watching lacrosse. I have a HS 2014 class son at a D1 program and a D1 committed 2017 son, and a third son still at the middle school youth level. Both of my older sons played for a first tier club and at a top HS program. I am providing my opinion only, but after seeing a mind numbing volume of lacrosse those were my observations. Obviously A LOT of 2017 dads are going to disagree and call me an idiot. I have noticed a very distinct degradation of the quality and caliber of Maryland lacrosse in the past 2-3 years at the high school class by class progression.

Locally and nationally I think the 2014s were better than the 2015s and I believe the 2016s and 2017s as a class are materially weaker than the 2014s or 2015s. Just what I think and of course the parents of precious 2017 commits will attack. Answer me this though: do you think Ward Mellville's current team with some 2016s and 2017s is better than the 2013 team that was stacked with 2014s and 2015s? Do you think the 2016s and 2017s at St. Ants and Chaminade are the dominant classes at those schools in the past 5 years? Save for the single fantastic LI club team I named -- 2017 Turtles -- do you really think that there are elite LI Express or Team 91 teams that can come down to B'more and hang in the winner's bracket or win a Crabs tournament in the 2016 or 2017 classes? LI Express and Team 91 teams in those two school years come to MD to get piped by what I consider decent but not great MD club teams for those two classes. Team 91 can't beat regional 3d teams at that stupid fl$ in 3d thing either.

Maybe the decline in LI club play is not as distinct in LI as it is here in MD, but I see it on the field in the 2017 class every June, July and November. The performance of the non-2017 Turtle teams don't lie.[/quote]

I do not disagree with the thought process. I will only say that 4 years ago on LI there was only really one main club - Express - while the others were just starting out. Now there are way too many clubs on LI - over 35 boys team (look to the right of this screen). The talent is so spread out that good kids are playing on crappy teams. If they cut that number down to 10 teams you would see a dramatic difference in team talent. If you made 3 allstar teams from LI I think you would see some pretty incredible talent. Express 2017 is a completely different team then it was 2 years ago - 4 kids went to Turtles, 2 kids are prep schools kids and are away, the committed kids don't always show up. 91 was never as good but has real good talent, Outlaws good talent, fl$ good talent. Now if you took those 4 teams and made 2, they would be able to compete with anyone (this doesn't even include Team LI, Sting, True Blue, Tomahawks, Pride, etc. who might be weaker but I'm sure that their best 3 players could play for anyone). The whole LI Lax scene is terrible. Every team is watered down. It is only going to get worse for LI as it seems a new organization is popping up each week...

As a parent/BOTC reader, there is nothing wrong when a poster brings up topics for discussion which includes facts the poster is presenting based on personal experience.

After reading to back and forth drivel about players, coaches, clubs etc. it is good to read an observation made which makes sense. No one is asking readers to agree with it or approve of it.

Poster was in no way rude, condescending, disparaging or finger pointing to anyone in particular. He never claimed to be a lax analyst or a Ty.

Take his post as: Food for thought.

If you disagree: pls post away. I for one would like to read what your assessment of the situation is and include your credentials.

Countless hours on the field watching games, going to showcases, meeting with college coaches and having sons playing at D1 schools are great credentials for a BOTC poster.

Every team is watered down. It is only going to get worse for LI as it seems a new organization is popping up each week... [/quote]

That is pretty telling. Certainly the best 40-50 kids per grade in LI are going to be talented players, but if they are spliced out too much that level of play does not show up where it matters: on the practice field. I saw my oldest son get better in practice with his strong 2014 MD club team every single season. I never thought on the surface that so many clubs in MD like in LI, and of course the not so welcomed bloated rosters = dumbing the game and level of play down. Not to sound elitist, but if you don't have the opportunity to get reps against strong players you will never become one or remain one. That is a real problem now for kids in the 2016s, 17s and onwards classes.

There was some early planning and talk here in MD about going off and having a few well heeled parents write a nice check to a high level coach to pull together a no-nonsense 18 man 2017 team with only the very best MD players...a team that could give the Turtles a tilt of a game. But then it got predictably disturbed by everyone's home club agendas and politics. Some parents, myself included, feared retribution against younger siblings in those same club programs for having a committed kid bolt. The easy way out is to tell the club your kid is going to play for his school in the fall and in summer, which we did. That goes over badly but reduces the likelihood of reprisals by the vicious club owners. But that recipe is a bad one too. Does everyone in MD need to go to a $30K-40K a year prep school with a strong lacrosse program to keep developing and be able to practice with other strong players? That is not a great recipe for those who can't afford it and is a tortured decision for the families that leap into those money pits. One fine mess.

I think the "too many teams" issue is certainly not unique to Long Island. It exist in Westchester/Fairfield as well and probably in the other "Hot Beds" as well. I am not sure how to control the problem other than you need to be an educated consumer. I happen to agree with the post the focus now seems to be on "winning" tournaments as opposed to developing players. If you are from LI and go to a tournament in Baltimore, you probably spend 12 hours driving to play probably 3 productive hours of lacrosse. Don't you think the kids would be better off having 2 productive 2 hour practices a day with another LOCAL team and then scrimmaging?

I do not disagree with the thought process. I will only say that 4 years ago on LI there was only really one main club - Express - while the others were just starting out. Now there are way too many clubs on LI - over 35 boys teams (look to the right of this screen). The talent is so spread out that good kids are playing on crappy teams. If they cut that number down to 10 teams you would see a dramatic difference in team talent. If you made 3 all-star teams from LI I think you would see some pretty incredible talent. For example, Express 2017 is a completely different team then it was 2 years ago - 4 kids went to Turtles, 2 kids are prep schools kids and are away, the committed kids don't always show up. 91 was never as good but has real good talent (and lower grades probably the best now), Outlaws good talent, fl$ good talent. Now if you took those 4 teams and made 2, they would be able to compete with anyone (this doesn't even include Team LI, Sting, True Blue, Tomahawks, Pride, etc. who might be weaker but I'm sure that their best 2 players could play for anyone). The whole LI Lax scene is terrible. Every team is watered down. It is only going to get worse for LI as it seems a new organization is popping up each week...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the "too many teams" issue is certainly not unique to Long Island. It exist in Westchester/Fairfield as well and probably in the other "Hot Beds" as well. I am not sure how to control the problem other than you need to be an educated consumer. I happen to agree with the post the focus now seems to be on "winning" tournaments as opposed to developing players. If you are from LI and go to a tournament in Baltimore, you probably spend 12 hours driving to play probably 3 productive hours of lacrosse. Don't you think the kids would be better off having 2 productive 2 hour practices a day with another LOCAL team and then scrimmaging?

It also comes down to the needs to get noticed, hence the drive to MD to play our club and others. If course the kids would be better players having a higher density of training and local scrimmaging. Dom, Petro and all say "doin' my job to find the best players at these tournaments, and have to keep doin' it earlier and earlier to keep my program up at the top" so we all do this thing. I privately wonder when it is going to occur to the D1 coaches that they are watching a lower and lower caliber of play each season with this class and the ones after it. Programs like UVa and JHU will do well so long as they grab the best RELATIVE SCALE players in the 2017 class. My point is that kids after that 2014 and 2015 HS class year era just seem to be on a regressive scale. The landscape in lacrosse keeps changing fast as many IL Preps and other gurus like to note. When will the landscape move to adjust back to truly ELITE club play again? I miss seeing the quality and feel bad that my 2017 and his younger brother won't experience it. It just isn't enough to play a couple of 2 day smash and grabs like Showtime or JR to get high level play back into the blood of these boys.

I think it will stop when "early committing" stops. Early recruiting will continue - but if kids commit early - say 14-15 year olds, and the other coaches stop recruiting them, this won't change. If coached keep recruiting kids to they sign a Letter of Intent or receive likely letters, early decision admits, then both the student athlete will need to maintain level of play and keep improving and the coaches will keep recruiting. Clubs can't advertise they have five 14 year olds committed to D1 colleges until fall of their senior year of high school.

The club teams are catering to a younger crowd as well. 2nd through 6th grade kids do not need to go to tournaments every weekend in the summer. They need to develop skills. But if you are not on ELITE CLUB TEAM by the time you're 9 kiss your lacrosse career goodbye.

I lay the blame at the feet of the clubs. Bottom line is the clubs subsist off commit lists on their web pages. If all verbals were non public until summer before senior year or when NLIs are signed, you'd see much fewer early verbals. It is not the scarcity of spots. Some Patriot and other conference schools are just getting going on 2017s now. It is the public validation for the clubs and parents/kids more than the coaches pushing an envelope. When Starsia says he loathes early recruiting I believe him. I also believe him when he next says he cannot be a spectator watching his ACC and Big 10 rivals fill their classes before him.

If you are that good as a ninth grader - what is the rush to commit?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the "too many teams" issue is certainly not unique to Long Island. It exist in Westchester/Fairfield as well and probably in the other "Hot Beds" as well. I am not sure how to control the problem other than you need to be an educated consumer. I happen to agree with the post the focus now seems to be on "winning" tournaments as opposed to developing players. If you are from LI and go to a tournament in Baltimore, you probably spend 12 hours driving to play probably 3 productive hours of lacrosse. Don't you think the kids would be better off having 2 productive 2 hour practices a day with another LOCAL team and then scrimmaging?

It also comes down to the needs to get noticed, hence the drive to MD to play our club and others. If course the kids would be better players having a higher density of training and local scrimmaging. Dom, Petro and all say "doin' my job to find the best players at these tournaments, and have to keep doin' it earlier and earlier to keep my program up at the top" so we all do this thing. I privately wonder when it is going to occur to the D1 coaches that they are watching a lower and lower caliber of play each season with this class and the ones after it. Programs like UVa and JHU will do well so long as they grab the best RELATIVE SCALE players in the 2017 class. My point is that kids after that 2014 and 2015 HS class year era just seem to be on a regressive scale. The landscape in lacrosse keeps changing fast as many IL Preps and other gurus like to note. When will the landscape move to adjust back to truly ELITE club play again? I miss seeing the quality and feel bad that my 2017 and his younger brother won't experience it. It just isn't enough to play a couple of 2 day smash and grabs like Showtime or JR to get high level play back into the blood of these boys.

There are a couple of problems with your theories. Here's the first one, the talent in my opinion is growing in leaps and bounds all over the country. My older son was a 2014. When he started playing travel lax in 7th grade there were 3 or 4 travel teams on LI. All the best players played on those teams. Their second and third team would beat many of todays "A" teams. Not because of lack of talent or skill training, but because of the watering down of the teams. There are 20+ clubs on LI that claim to have an A team. There is much more talent today just too many teams. Kids who are really good players won't play on the second attack line at club ABC they will go to club XYZ and be the starter.
Lastly, I don't know about MD, but there are more options today to get intense skill training than there ever was back when my 2014 was playing, and no, it was not happening at the youth level leagues. So I disagree with you, more talent today just dispersed like never before.

I think you all have it wrong. THe growth of the game is a good thing and will eventually make the game and the players better.

Think of football and baseball and basketball. Did the players get worse as the game grew? I think not. As more people pay the game gets more competitive.

One or two people see a game that isn't as skilled as they remember it being two years ago? I think time to recognize that your good old days are not coming back and the growth of the game will continue south and west as football parents search for safer alternatives. Over time it means that the best athletes, whether or not they are from hot beds, will continue to get recruited at the highest levels.

If and when it becomes a money sport at college level (10, 20 years?) D-1 schools will be offering full rides and then best athletes have choices.

Early recruiting is not too blame, it is a natural progression. At some point (assuming the NCAA doesn't change--and I think that is 50-50 at best) early recruiting becomes meaningless as kids commit and de-commit in greater numbers.

What kid wouldn't de-commit from say MD to go to Duke or Ivy? It will happen as the search for the best athletes continues...MD is a great school, so no disrespect

Growth and change are necessary and we are not going back to the good old days with one club or two clubs on LI and one or two in MD.

So, I completely disagree with the premise that because there are more clubs, the skill level will decline. Perhaps there is an adjustment period, but as more kids play, the skill level will grow as the better athletes pick up sticks.

It is a game that requires all the same physical attributes of all sports. Speed, strength, hand/eye and size...

Those physical attributes are the reason for the rising practice of re-classing.

I would counter argue that in fact clubs that used to be great, just aren't as great as they once appeared because everyone else is getting better, not that MD is getting worse, but Philly teams, Texas teams and CA teams and colorado teams are now getting more athletes and more competitive...

What would you take as your starting middie? A 6 ft 3 freak athlete that has played for 1 year, or a 5-10 lesser athlete playing for 10 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are that good as a ninth grader - what is the rush to commit?

You don't get it for some reason. Scholarship dollars are severely limited for Lax. A fully funded program has just 12.5 scholarships among 40-50 players.

Then you have patriot league that someone mentioned above. At those schools even less scholarship $ and no merit/academic $. Schools in this league-Lafayette, Holy Cross, Colgate...average $60k per year.

So that 9th grade early commit, why? Because they are giving him more scholarship $. It is really simple, commit early and get more dough. If you are great and you want to wait, good luck, maybe there will be a few dollars left, but if your family needs the money and will not get need based $ (most people reading this will not get need based financial $) you take the money and run.

This is not magic, it is all about how much you can or will pay, or how much you will let your kid borrow for school.

For those that can afford to pay the $60k per year, I completely agree, don't bother committing unless that lax offer comes with a coaches handshake that he can get you into his IVY because his team's AI is high...

It boggles my mind that everyone hasn't figured out the game....

So you think an early commit brings more money? An early commit is a verbal commit. The player still has to carry a decent GPA and do well on their SAT/ ACT's.

Early commit doesn't bring more money to potential player.

If athletic money is involved, it is not until the recruit signs his letter of intent in fall of senior year that it becomes a done deal. A lot can happen from fall freshman year to fall senior year. Coaches change, programs are added, kids don't develop as expected, existing college players are offered the scholarship $$$ earmarked for the recruit.

The comments were mainly aimed at the degradation of the level of play in Maryland, and, more broadly that the 2016s and 2017s are lesser caliber classes than the two classes ahead of them. I stand by that. I do also believe the game blowing up in non-hot beds will have a mind blowing impact going ahead...agree completely. In places like Texas, Florida, Georgia we are getting the 6'3 freak athletes coming in and taking spots from the MD and LI lacrosse blue blood kids. I concur and like it, but I am not about to heap praise on the players from those areas being technically strong players yet and I fear some of the same "let's tune out on practice reps and focus on that video and showcase move for exposure" crap that seems to take over 100% of the focus for clubs and for 7th and 8th graders locally here in MD. Greatness is in the boring and the monotony. Steele Stanwick played wall ball by himself in a garage 2 hours a day every day. You think these kids are doing that? I sneer more that a little to hear of "there's more specialized training" now. Yes, there is and yes it has a place as a SUPPLEMENT in a player's development like a prior poster noted. But really, middie dodge clinics? Gee, isn't that the type of repeat reps and instruction you would expect your sons to be getting in PRACTICE with their CLUBS rather than in a $85 an hour private lesson or clinic? Face off lessons, goalie lessons, etc. Helpful, yes, but a cop out to rely on.

Wrong-If a better player comes along after your frosh superstar does his verbal commit they will change the amount that was originally offered your superstar........ I know....you have some iron clad agreement with the coach.......again....wrong. Until that NLI is signed things can change and do change.

Absolutely true� know of a former HS AA who had his $ and spot given away by the school he committed early to. Luckily he was a good student and ended up at a better lax and academic school where he led team in goal scoring for multiple years while also going pro. If his money wasn't safe idk whose is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Absolutely true� know of a former HS AA who had his $ and spot given away by the school he committed early to. Luckily he was a good student and ended up at a better lax and academic school where he led team in goal scoring for multiple years while also going pro. If his money wasn't safe idk whose is.

Please stop already. Every situation, every coach, every school is ALL different. If your son keeps his end of the early agreement, they school will...fact.

Serious question. Why can't D3 schools be on the same "verbal" timetable as D1 schools? It seems like players don't verbally commit to D3s until Senior year. Why not junior year or sophomore year. The fact that there is no athletic scholarship money should not impact the ability for D3 coaches and recruits to have a verbal agreement. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. Why can't D3 schools be on the same "verbal" timetable as D1 schools? It seems like players don't verbally commit to D3s until Senior year. Why not junior year or sophomore year. The fact that there is no athletic scholarship money should not impact the ability for D3 coaches and recruits to have a verbal agreement. Thoughts?

Most kids aren't going to agree to a D3 until D1 options are off the table.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you think an early commit brings more money? An early commit is a verbal commit. The player still has to carry a decent GPA and do well on their SAT/ ACT's.

Early commit doesn't bring more money to potential player.

Of course it does, what don't you see? Have you been through this? I have, early = better cash. Yes, you still need to get grades and SAT, but at least in my house, that is not an issue.

People, play the odds. How many kids had a coach screw them after a verbal? One guys knows one, another person said it happens all the time.

I have been around for years and never have seen this happen. If fact, coaches that have changed have honored previous player verbals.

I have seen where a kid screwed up legally, and one where SAT didn't get where needed to be, but other than that they are honored for year one. After that it is prove yourself.

ANyone who says different and believes it is simply wrong. The earlier the commit, the larger the $ is absolutely true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. Why can't D3 schools be on the same "verbal" timetable as D1 schools? It seems like players don't verbally commit to D3s until Senior year. Why not junior year or sophomore year. The fact that there is no athletic scholarship money should not impact the ability for D3 coaches and recruits to have a verbal agreement. Thoughts?

Most kids aren't going to agree to a D3 until D1 options are off the table.

Excellent educational opportunities in D3. Tremendous amount of academic and merit money available to good players with decent grades. Think 30-40% percent off a $55-60k bill. As long as he maintains minimal academic levels that money stays in place for ALL FOUR years! Even if he decides to give up lacrosse!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People, play the odds. How many kids had a coach screw them after a verbal? One guys knows one, another person said it happens all the time.

I have been around for years and never have seen this happen. If fact, coaches that have changed have honored previous player verbals.

I have seen where a kid screwed up legally, and one where SAT didn't get where needed to be, but other than that they are honored for year one. After that it is prove yourself.

ANyone who says different and believes it is simply wrong. The earlier the commit, the larger the $ is absolutely true.

Holy Cross- 19 kids cut with coaching change. Many freshmen cut.

The NESCAC's are on a very close timeline with regard to recruiting as D1's

If there is a coaching change the new coach will not keep all of the former coaches verbals or even scholarship players. That's a fact and it's fair.

Holy Cross not a good example of coaches not honoring recruiting. They had 61 kids on the roster and cut 16. Cuts had to be made there. Avg D1 team size is 45. Morrissey was irresponsible with roster spots and recruiting. Probably why not there anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. Why can't D3 schools be on the same "verbal" timetable as D1 schools? It seems like players don't verbally commit to D3s until Senior year. Why not junior year or sophomore year. The fact that there is no athletic scholarship money should not impact the ability for D3 coaches and recruits to have a verbal agreement. Thoughts?

Most kids aren't going to agree to a D3 until D1 options are off the table.

Excellent educational opportunities in D3. Tremendous amount of academic and merit money available to good players with decent grades. Think 30-40% percent off a $55-60k bill. As long as he maintains minimal academic levels that money stays in place for ALL FOUR years! Even if he decides to give up lacrosse!

I completely agree, that said, my son as a solid GPA and offers from 2 D1 programs, one top 5, the other top 20. We wanted him to see some other schools that were interesting to him for academics. He emailed coaches at the D3, and his HS coach called and could not get meetings with 2 of the 3 D3 programs he contacted, the coaches said they didn't waste time with sophomores. It surprised me that the coaches were that short-sighted, as my son based his final decision on academics and his future, and ended up verbaling to the lower ranked lacrosse program because it is a much better fit for his career plans. I think he was turned off by the coaches who refused to spend half an hour showing him athletic facilities (we made it clear we didn't expect them to spend time on a full tour). In the end his choice was a good one, and I think a better fit than the other schools, but we didn't know that until we visited them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. Why can't D3 schools be on the same "verbal" timetable as D1 schools? It seems like players don't verbally commit to D3s until Senior year. Why not junior year or sophomore year. The fact that there is no athletic scholarship money should not impact the ability for D3 coaches and recruits to have a verbal agreement. Thoughts?

Most kids aren't going to agree to a D3 until D1 options are off the table.

Excellent educational opportunities in D3. Tremendous amount of academic and merit money available to good players with decent grades. Think 30-40% percent off a $55-60k bill. As long as he maintains minimal academic levels that money stays in place for ALL FOUR years! Even if he decides to give up lacrosse!

What are some of the D3 schools you are referring to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The NESCAC's are on a very close timeline with regard to recruiting as D1's

Really? What NESCAC's have verbally committed to 2018 players? That is the current timeline with D1's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. Why can't D3 schools be on the same "verbal" timetable as D1 schools? It seems like players don't verbally commit to D3s until Senior year. Why not junior year or sophomore year. The fact that there is no athletic scholarship money should not impact the ability for D3 coaches and recruits to have a verbal agreement. Thoughts?

Most kids aren't going to agree to a D3 until D1 options are off the table.

Excellent educational opportunities in D3. Tremendous amount of academic and merit money available to good players with decent grades. Think 30-40% percent off a $55-60k bill. As long as he maintains minimal academic levels that money stays in place for ALL FOUR years! Even if he decides to give up lacrosse!

I completely agree, that said, my son as a solid GPA and offers from 2 D1 programs, one top 5, the other top 20. We wanted him to see some other schools that were interesting to him for academics. He emailed coaches at the D3, and his HS coach called and could not get meetings with 2 of the 3 D3 programs he contacted, the coaches said they didn't waste time with sophomores. It surprised me that the coaches were that short-sighted, as my son based his final decision on academics and his future, and ended up verbaling to the lower ranked lacrosse program because it is a much better fit for his career plans. I think he was turned off by the coaches who refused to spend half an hour showing him athletic facilities (we made it clear we didn't expect them to spend time on a full tour). In the end his choice was a good one, and I think a better fit than the other schools, but we didn't know that until we visited them.

D3 schools aren't as aggressive recruiting wise because they wait to see what type of grades players have. They want proof that a player will satisfy the schools admissions criteria.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People, play the odds. How many kids had a coach screw them after a verbal? One guys knows one, another person said it happens all the time.

I have been around for years and never have seen this happen. If fact, coaches that have changed have honored previous player verbals.

I have seen where a kid screwed up legally, and one where SAT didn't get where needed to be, but other than that they are honored for year one. After that it is prove yourself.

ANyone who says different and believes it is simply wrong. The earlier the commit, the larger the $ is absolutely true.

Your post is only partially correct: it does happen all the time, quietly and brutally, in lacrosse and in every other non-revenue sport. Athletic merit resets, coaching changes, non-revenue sport operating and other budget changes. Did you know there is one ACC lacrosse program that was not fully funded 6 years ago? Probably not, but here is a hint, they won NCAAs last year. The only sports where 4 year deals are sacred are men's football, then men's and women's basketball.

A coach promised your son a certain deal? FACT!!! ? Great. You don't think coaches can change their minds or maybe you are running too far with the assumptions you have? Every non-revenue coach has to re-shuffle scarce resources every year. The earlier the commit the bigger the year one dollars? Sure, I will give you that point but the point goes no further. Anyone telling you different is selling you something not true. Your son's deal for the first year is likely solid, but not certainly solid if it is a specific money promise today. Those promises get broken all the time for one reason: coaches need to win and to win off the heels of a challenge to their program or job means changes. It's the winning business, not remember what I promised a lacrosse Dad business. Try calling your son's D1 coach AFTER he is enrolled to engage some unhurried and folksy 20-30 minute phone calls you were humored with during recruiting. They won't happen. The winning business leaves no room for it. You might have been around for years, but you are obviously nowhere near the world of running a funded D1 program and coaching for your job every year. Like my cousin who WAS a D1 coach. Lot of these kids and their parents are in for some very rude reality in a few years. Daddy and club coach can't fix it for you, so beware at the gates if you can't handle it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People, play the odds. How many kids had a coach screw them after a verbal? One guys knows one, another person said it happens all the time.

I have been around for years and never have seen this happen. If fact, coaches that have changed have honored previous player verbals.

I have seen where a kid screwed up legally, and one where SAT didn't get where needed to be, but other than that they are honored for year one. After that it is prove yourself.

ANyone who says different and believes it is simply wrong. The earlier the commit, the larger the $ is absolutely true.

Your post is only partially correct: it does happen all the time, quietly and brutally, in lacrosse and in every other non-revenue sport. Athletic merit resets, coaching changes, non-revenue sport operating and other budget changes. Did you know there is one ACC lacrosse program that was not fully funded 6 years ago? Probably not, but here is a hint, they won NCAAs last year. The only sports where 4 year deals are sacred are men's football, then men's and women's basketball.

A coach promised your son a certain deal? FACT!!! ? Great. You don't think coaches can change their minds or maybe you are running too far with the assumptions you have? Every non-revenue coach has to re-shuffle scarce resources every year. The earlier the commit the bigger the year one dollars? Sure, I will give you that point but the point goes no further. Anyone telling you different is selling you something not true. Your son's deal for the first year is likely solid, but not certainly solid if it is a specific money promise today. Those promises get broken all the time for one reason: coaches need to win and to win off the heels of a challenge to their program or job means changes. It's the winning business, not remember what I promised a lacrosse Dad business. Try calling your son's D1 coach AFTER he is enrolled to engage some unhurried and folksy 20-30 minute phone calls you were humored with during recruiting. They won't happen. The winning business leaves no room for it. You might have been around for years, but you are obviously nowhere near the world of running a funded D1 program and coaching for your job every year. Like my cousin who WAS a D1 coach. Lot of these kids and their parents are in for some very rude reality in a few years. Daddy and club coach can't fix it for you, so beware at the gates if you can't handle it.

Non-disputable and valuable information...thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People, play the odds. How many kids had a coach screw them after a verbal? One guys knows one, another person said it happens all the time.

I have been around for years and never have seen this happen. If fact, coaches that have changed have honored previous player verbals.

I have seen where a kid screwed up legally, and one where SAT didn't get where needed to be, but other than that they are honored for year one. After that it is prove yourself.

ANyone who says different and believes it is simply wrong. The earlier the commit, the larger the $ is absolutely true.

Holy Cross- 19 kids cut with coaching change. Many freshmen cut.

Holy cross doesn't give $ for lax and they dont give for merit/GPA.

So, getting cut when you were paying full $60k is not the argument, a different issue all together.

The argument is $ for lax. All that I know have honored the one year commitment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People, play the odds. How many kids had a coach screw them after a verbal? One guys knows one, another person said it happens all the time.

I have been around for years and never have seen this happen. If fact, coaches that have changed have honored previous player verbals.

I have seen where a kid screwed up legally, and one where SAT didn't get where needed to be, but other than that they are honored for year one. After that it is prove yourself.

ANyone who says different and believes it is simply wrong. The earlier the commit, the larger the $ is absolutely true.

Your post is only partially correct: it does happen all the time, quietly and brutally, in lacrosse and in every other non-revenue sport. Athletic merit resets, coaching changes, non-revenue sport operating and other budget changes. Did you know there is one ACC lacrosse program that was not fully funded 6 years ago? Probably not, but here is a hint, they won NCAAs last year. The only sports where 4 year deals are sacred are men's football, then men's and women's basketball.

A coach promised your son a certain deal? FACT!!! ? Great. You don't think coaches can change their minds or maybe you are running too far with the assumptions you have? Every non-revenue coach has to re-shuffle scarce resources every year. The earlier the commit the bigger the year one dollars? Sure, I will give you that point but the point goes no further. Anyone telling you different is selling you something not true. Your son's deal for the first year is likely solid, but not certainly solid if it is a specific money promise today. Those promises get broken all the time for one reason: coaches need to win and to win off the heels of a challenge to their program or job means changes. It's the winning business, not remember what I promised a lacrosse Dad business. Try calling your son's D1 coach AFTER he is enrolled to engage some unhurried and folksy 20-30 minute phone calls you were humored with during recruiting. They won't happen. The winning business leaves no room for it. You might have been around for years, but you are obviously nowhere near the world of running a funded D1 program and coaching for your job every year. Like my cousin who WAS a D1 coach. Lot of these kids and their parents are in for some very rude reality in a few years. Daddy and club coach can't fix it for you, so beware at the gates if you can't handle it.

Non-disputable and valuable information...thanks!

Absolutely false and creating worry that is unfounded for those early commits. Coaches are very clear that it is a one year deal, after that, prove it or lose it. We agree on that point.

But for you to tell these early commits that their one year deals are at risk is creating panic by them for no reason. It is sad that you feel the need to do so, but hey, on this board you can spew whatever you want...

Early commits get those bigger year one dollars because the coaches want the kid. Once the kid shows up and he is not everything they hoped for, they reshuffle the deck. If your kid is everything they hoped for, he can even get more...

Stop the lying to these people and tell the truth, pretty please.

Nescac recruits in 11 grade. Been to three prospect days this fall-

williams, amherst...

just remember to bring your checkbook, no lax $ and no merit money no matter the GPA.

Everything is need based. so that means for most lax parents $60+k per year.

False? Creating panic for no reason? Look, D1 non-revenue coaches are now making more money outside the universities than from them. Camps, prospect days, in some instances apparel company deals. The golden goose is KEEPING YOUR JOB. The ADs at these schools don't care too much about lacrosse except to see a return on investment funded into the program. Exactly like publish or perish for academic assistant professors, if you are a coach of a funded program you have only two performance measures...win and keep your athletes/program out of trouble. Never before have there been commits this early, and if you trust that it is all rock solid, my best of luck to you. Read these threads and you'd think these kids have been handed four year deals and a commitment that can't be broken. If the coach at wherever offered a spot and some money, assume the spot and expect that money for the first year only. Rather than be upset on a notion of panic, give yourselves a small needed dose of something lacrosse parents need more of...a sense of reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

False? Creating panic for no reason? Look, D1 non-revenue coaches are now making more money outside the universities than from them. Camps, prospect days, in some instances apparel company deals. The golden goose is KEEPING YOUR JOB. The ADs at these schools don't care too much about lacrosse except to see a return on investment funded into the program. Exactly like publish or perish for academic assistant professors, if you are a coach of a funded program you have only two performance measures...win and keep your athletes/program out of trouble. Never before have there been commits this early, and if you trust that it is all rock solid, my best of luck to you. Read these threads and you'd think these kids have been handed four year deals and a commitment that can't be broken. If the coach at wherever offered a spot and some money, assume the spot and expect that money for the first year only. Rather than be upset on a notion of panic, give yourselves a small needed dose of something lacrosse parents need more of...a sense of reality.

I have two sons, one is a sophomore in college who committed to a FOUR YEAR DEAL for athletic money. He is getting exactly what was promised and has not seen the field much yet (hopefully this year) anyway, you people commenting have no clue what you're talking about!

Listen, there is no such thing as a 4yr athletic scholarship in lacrosse. Athletic scholarships are renewed on a yearly basis. Merit based money is for your 4 yrs as long as you keep up the standards set forth in it. You may be promised the same money athletically every yr but it is not guaranteed. Renewed year to year. With that said, for you and our son, I hope your deal stays the same all 4 yrs. congratulations and hopefully he gets more time this yr.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Listen, there is no such thing as a 4yr athletic scholarship in lacrosse. Athletic scholarships are renewed on a yearly basis. Merit based money is for your 4 yrs as long as you keep up the standards set forth in it. You may be promised the same money athletically every yr but it is not guaranteed. Renewed year to year. With that said, for you and our son, I hope your deal stays the same all 4 yrs. congratulations and hopefully he gets more time this yr.

This is FACT!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Listen, there is no such thing as a 4yr athletic scholarship in lacrosse. Athletic scholarships are renewed on a yearly basis. Merit based money is for your 4 yrs as long as you keep up the standards set forth in it. You may be promised the same money athletically every yr but it is not guaranteed. Renewed year to year. With that said, for you and our son, I hope your deal stays the same all 4 yrs. congratulations and hopefully he gets more time this yr.

This is FACT!

Fact is my son has one and is receiving that money as we speak. Now that fact can be verified via my big bank account. I guess those types of scholarships only go to very special kids, so I'll accept the compliment. Good luck to all the boys!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

False? Creating panic for no reason? Look, D1 non-revenue coaches are now making more money outside the universities than from them. Camps, prospect days, in some instances apparel company deals. The golden goose is KEEPING YOUR JOB. The ADs at these schools don't care too much about lacrosse except to see a return on investment funded into the program. Exactly like publish or perish for academic assistant professors, if you are a coach of a funded program you have only two performance measures...win and keep your athletes/program out of trouble. Never before have there been commits this early, and if you trust that it is all rock solid, my best of luck to you. Read these threads and you'd think these kids have been handed four year deals and a commitment that can't be broken. If the coach at wherever offered a spot and some money, assume the spot and expect that money for the first year only. Rather than be upset on a notion of panic, give yourselves a small needed dose of something lacrosse parents need more of...a sense of reality.

Not only are you a worry monger, but you are also having a hard time reading...

I completely agree that there are no 4 year deal--Agreed.

The point was and continues to be that the early commits are receiving one year deals that coaches are not breaking. One year. After that year, if you are not performing or if they find someone better, you can lose. We agree.

We don't agree when you say college coaches are not honoring their early commit $. They are for the one year they were promised. THe coaches tell you this up front...

From cbs sports
2. Full-ride sports scholarships are scarce. There are only six sports where all the scholarships are full ride. These so-called head-count sports are football, men and women's basketball, and women's gymnastics, volleyball, and tennis. In these Division I sports, athletes receive a full ride or no ride.

3. Scholarships can be dinky. Beyond the head-count sports, all other sports are considered "equivalency" sports. NCAA rules dictate how much money a program, such as lacrosse or track, can spend on scholarships. Coaches can slice and dice these awards as they choose, which can lead to awfully small scholarships.

This to the guy with the 4 year scholarship:
From the New [lacrosse] Times:
Despite common references in news media reports, there is no such thing as a four-year scholarship. All N.C.A.A. athletic scholarships must be renewed and are not guaranteed year to year, something stated in bold letters on the organization�s Web site for student-athletes. Nearly every scholarship can be canceled for almost any reason in any year, although it is unclear how often that happens.

But I guess your right and the Times are wrong! Good luck with thar 4 yr promise hope it works out for you. But you needed a little dose of reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This to the guy with the 4 year scholarship:
From the New [lacrosse] Times:
Despite common references in news media reports, there is no such thing as a four-year scholarship. All N.C.A.A. athletic scholarships must be renewed and are not guaranteed year to year, something stated in bold letters on the organization�s Web site for student-athletes. Nearly every scholarship can be canceled for almost any reason in any year, although it is unclear how often that happens.

But I guess your right and the Times are wrong! Good luck with thar 4 yr promise hope it works out for you. But you needed a little dose of reality.

Like I said, depends on Coach and program. My sons Coach garranteed that the scholarship offered would not go down in amt for the four years, but could go up based on performance. So far he is holding up the deal, and we have no reason to believe it will change based on what is happening to other kids in the program.

The quote about the NESCAC's following the D1's is when NCAA says they can contact a junior player, September 1st, not these premature commits in 9th grade. They follow the rules. Just for the record, 3 out of 4 of our 9th grade commits have fallen apart now that the players are seniors. It's not what it appears to be.

But what you said is he has a 4 year scholarship. He does not. They don't exist. What he has so far is his freshman year he received what was promised. His sophomore year he received what was promised. NOW his junior and senior year are not guaranteed. You are hoping his coach keeps his word and the $ amount stays the same. Because as was proven in previous posts there are NO such things as 4 year scholarships. They are RENEWED on a yearly basis at the coaches discretion. They CAN be reduced or increased. Stop saying you received a 4 year scholarship. They DO NOT exist. So far he has a 2 year scholarship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The quote about the NESCAC's following the D1's is when NCAA says they can contact a junior player, September 1st, not these premature commits in 9th grade. They follow the rules. Just for the record, 3 out of 4 of our 9th grade commits have fallen apart now that the players are seniors. It's not what it appears to be.

Please share what school has 3 of 4 that fell apart. Was it the kid or the school. We get a lot more media than ever before so I suspect you are flat out making this up, or you should be able to give details that are public and can be confirmed. I suspect you won't follow through and comment no further

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But what you said is he has a 4 year scholarship. He does not. They don't exist. What he has so far is his freshman year he received what was promised. His sophomore year he received what was promised. NOW his junior and senior year are not guaranteed. You are hoping his coach keeps his word and the $ amount stays the same. Because as was proven in previous posts there are NO such things as 4 year scholarships. They are RENEWED on a yearly basis at the coaches discretion. They CAN be reduced or increased. Stop saying you received a 4 year scholarship. They DO NOT exist. So far he has a 2 year scholarship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But what you said is he has a 4 year scholarship. He does not. They don't exist. What he has so far is his freshman year he received what was promised. His sophomore year he received what was promised. NOW his junior and senior year are not guaranteed. You are hoping his coach keeps his word and the $ amount stays the same. Because as was proven in previous posts there are NO such things as 4 year scholarships. They are RENEWED on a yearly basis at the coaches discretion. They CAN be reduced or increased. Stop saying you received a 4 year scholarship. They DO NOT exist. So far he has a 2 year scholarship.

Just because that's your experience does not make it accurate. I have several children playing or played D1 and I will tell you my experience. 2 have scholarships that are for 4 yrs. and believe me when I say several of their teammates retained their scholarship even though they were not able (for undisclosed reasons) to play. My others have scholarships that are literally renewable every year. Keep in mind, ALL ARE RENEWABLE, but not all coaches use the same criteria. And just to be clear, none of this has to do with academic or need $$.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The NESCAC's are on a very close timeline with regard to recruiting as D1's

If this is true, how come we don't see it anywhere or hear about it? For sure then they have some current sophomores and many juniors already verballed but I'm not aware of any announcements.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. Why can't D3 schools be on the same "verbal" timetable as D1 schools? It seems like players don't verbally commit to D3s until Senior year. Why not junior year or sophomore year. The fact that there is no athletic scholarship money should not impact the ability for D3 coaches and recruits to have a verbal agreement. Thoughts?

Most kids aren't going to agree to a D3 until D1 options are off the table.

Excellent educational opportunities in D3. Tremendous amount of academic and merit money available to good players with decent grades. Think 30-40% percent off a $55-60k bill. As long as he maintains minimal academic levels that money stays in place for ALL FOUR years! Even if he decides to give up lacrosse!

I completely agree, that said, my son as a solid GPA and offers from 2 D1 programs, one top 5, the other top 20. We wanted him to see some other schools that were interesting to him for academics. He emailed coaches at the D3, and his HS coach called and could not get meetings with 2 of the 3 D3 programs he contacted, the coaches said they didn't waste time with sophomores. It surprised me that the coaches were that short-sighted, as my son based his final decision on academics and his future, and ended up verbaling to the lower ranked lacrosse program because it is a much better fit for his career plans. I think he was turned off by the coaches who refused to spend half an hour showing him athletic facilities (we made it clear we didn't expect them to spend time on a full tour). In the end his choice was a good one, and I think a better fit than the other schools, but we didn't know that until we visited them.

D3 schools aren't as aggressive recruiting wise because they wait to see what type of grades players have. They want proof that a player will satisfy the schools admissions criteria.

Why would this be different for D3 vs D1? Sounds like D1s don't care about grades?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But what you said is he has a 4 year scholarship. He does not. They don't exist. What he has so far is his freshman year he received what was promised. His sophomore year he received what was promised. NOW his junior and senior year are not guaranteed. You are hoping his coach keeps his word and the $ amount stays the same. Because as was proven in previous posts there are NO such things as 4 year scholarships. They are RENEWED on a yearly basis at the coaches discretion. They CAN be reduced or increased. Stop saying you received a 4 year scholarship. They DO NOT exist. So far he has a 2 year scholarship.

He has a 4 year deal. You don't have to believe it but it is what we agreed to and coach is 100% committed to follow through. I'm not at all concerned. I guess we are part of a reputable program. There is no reason the coach would need to make promises he does not intend to keep. Why are you so mad?

That's the posters point. All are renewable. Which means they don't have to be. Thrre is no such thing as a 4 year deal.

Not mad just can't stand when people come on here and don't tell the truth, the ncaa states that there is no such thing as a four year scholarship. But your son has one. Guess what if he doesn't start living up to his part of the bargain on the field you will be dipping into that bank account you were bragging about. Good for you and your son if you were told the deal is in place, but remember thing change. Be prepared.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not mad just can't stand when people come on here and don't tell the truth, the ncaa states that there is no such thing as a four year scholarship. But your son has one. Guess what if he doesn't start living up to his part of the bargain on the field you will be dipping into that bank account you were bragging about. Good for you and your son if you were told the deal is in place, but remember thing change. Be prepared.

Told you my son's truth. All coaches and programs are different. When I played in college and had a career ending injury, I kept my sustaintial scholarship. My son will keep his four year deal. Just about every kid I know does!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not mad just can't stand when people come on here and don't tell the truth, the ncaa states that there is no such thing as a four year scholarship. But your son has one. Guess what if he doesn't start living up to his part of the bargain on the field you will be dipping into that bank account you were bragging about. Good for you and your son if you were told the deal is in place, but remember thing change. Be prepared.

Told you my son's truth. All coaches and programs are different. When I played in college and had a career ending injury, I kept my sustaintial scholarship. My son will keep his four year deal. Just about every kid I know does!

Ok...Ok...You got to go on here pound your chest about yourself and kid....You told us we are all wrong....we get it. Your son is playing at the perfect school etc......Can you please put your two typing fingers away now......GEEZ

There are like three different arguments going on at the same time.

1--early guys are getting better $ which is why they commit early.

2--four year scholarships

3--nescac

For number 1, it is clear that the earlier you commit, the more 1st year $ you will get. If you look at the top 15 or 20 programs, most have taken their full roster of 2017 and are moving on to 2018. For the parents that say I won't let my kid commit this early, start looking for lower tier d-1 schools like Patriot. They don't give lax money anyway (for the most part) so you don't lose any scholarship opportunity.

I am sure the top programs will have a spot or two later, but unless your kid is a Greek god, it is an awful long shot.

Also, for number 1, I have not heard of a single instance other than failing to meet the grade requirements in which a coach reneged on his verbal early commit $. If someone has seen a coach who committed verbally to a 9th grade kid subsequently reneg on that offer, please share. Again if the kid couldn't make the SAT or GPA requirements, that is not a reneg as it was a condition to the initial package.

So, for number 1, early commits are generally a good thing with higher $ for a one year scholarship that can be renewed or changed by coach after 1st year is complete.

For number 2, we all agree (except for the guy with superman for a son) each year the coach has an opportunity to change the $ allocated up or down. He can cut you if he wants or find a kid that is better...

If your kid got say 25% lax $ and then he got another 25% in merit/gpa $ (total 50%), both can change in year two. For the lax $, the coach can pull them, for merit $, if your kid doesn't keep his GPA over a 3.0 (generally, each school has a little different threshold) he will lose that as well.

I hope a coach never pulls your kids $ but we know it can and has happened.

For number 3, nescac recruit later because they are generally top tier schools but give no lax $ and no merit $. Williams for example is rated number 1 Forbes, called the mini Ivies. Since they are d-3 and since there are no lax $ and no merit $, most of the schools wait while most of the families look to d-1 $ first. Why would a nescac coach waste his time chasing a kid that will likely go to a d-1.

One more point that most of you already know. Lax is a bad sport for scholarship $. at 12.9 for a fully funded program divided by 40-50 players means very little available for each kid.

Worse, many of the programs are no where near fully funded. most Patriots have very little if any lax $ and no merit. They look more like nescac schools...

If your kid has his hear set on going to a great school and playing d-1, open your checkbook a little further because you are looking at $50k plus for tuition and board.

A reasonable perspective.....finally.

Penn State has already redacted one money offer to a 2017 because they found a better Canadian attackman. And this is not the first time that has happened at Penn State. Maryland has done it with current HS grade kids, UNC has done it, Villanova has done it, St. Johns has done it and Georgetown has done it. Those are all the specifics begged for and there they are. Those are the ones I am aware of and the ranges have been "we offered X earlier, but now can only do this much" or "we offered X and we made a decision to add more money to returning players to keep them happy and off the transfer wagon, so come here and earn your way up and sorry about that" or "we found more talented 2017s or 2016s or...we signed two late 2015s...in your class and need to add money to keep everyone happy." This year Maryland shuffled money designated for 2016s and 2017s to get a couple late 2015 bloomers. It takes constant work to shuffle and adjust to get that back. A great program doesn't have spots for some lights out 2015? Nonsense. A kid doesn't need to be a greek god on the field as a senior 2017, he just needs to dust the competition at that point and leave a coach who needs that player no choice. They will make room if they see a kid who has developed into the player they want or need. Last year UVa subtracted from the commits till to give a 4th year walk on goalie money in his last year to reward his commitment and loyalty to the program. Tough guy wants specifics, there are some for you.

My cousin, who was fired as a first assistant at a high profile D1 non-revenue sport program, lived this life first hand. The prior poster is correct...there are a few head count sports where every guy or gal is on 100% or is a walk on, and then there is the small potatoes shuffle it up sports like men's lacrosse.

So it happens, maybe not everywhere, but it happens. A lot. And there is one very good reason why you don't hear about it: who is going to tell you that? The kid and proud daddy who had their money whacked down? I find it curious that all the 2017 dads or dads who have had a whopping data set of one kid who played or is on a roster of a D1 program become the experts. Deal with hundreds of kids and families first, and then type it up. But you can't. Again, I close by saying to my 2017 commit and yours...play fast, work hard and have some fun...like Satchel Page once said don't look back, someone is always on your tail trying to beat you. If this seems crass, then you are in for a big surprise and not a very pleasant one when your kids enters the D1 program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Penn State has already redacted one money offer to a 2017 because they found a better Canadian attackman. And this is not the first time that has happened at Penn State. Maryland has done it with current HS grade kids, UNC has done it, Villanova has done it, St. Johns has done it and Georgetown has done it. Those are all the specifics begged for and there they are. Those are the ones I am aware of and the ranges have been "we offered X earlier, but now can only do this much" or "we offered X and we made a decision to add more money to returning players to keep them happy and off the transfer wagon, so come here and earn your way up and sorry about that" or "we found more talented 2017s or 2016s or...we signed two late 2015s...in your class and need to add money to keep everyone happy." This year Maryland shuffled money designated for 2016s and 2017s to get a couple late 2015 bloomers. It takes constant work to shuffle and adjust to get that back. A great program doesn't have spots for some lights out 2015? Nonsense. A kid doesn't need to be a greek god on the field as a senior 2017, he just needs to dust the competition at that point and leave a coach who needs that player no choice. They will make room if they see a kid who has developed into the player they want or need. Last year UVa subtracted from the commits till to give a 4th year walk on goalie money in his last year to reward his commitment and loyalty to the program. Tough guy wants specifics, there are some for you.

My cousin, who was fired as a first assistant at a high profile D1 non-revenue sport program, lived this life first hand. The prior poster is correct...there are a few head count sports where every guy or gal is on 100% or is a walk on, and then there is the small potatoes shuffle it up sports like men's lacrosse.

So it happens, maybe not everywhere, but it happens. A lot. And there is one very good reason why you don't hear about it: who is going to tell you that? The kid and proud daddy who had their money whacked down? I find it curious that all the 2017 dads or dads who have had a whopping data set of one kid who played or is on a roster of a D1 program become the experts. Deal with hundreds of kids and families first, and then type it up. But you can't. Again, I close by saying to my 2017 commit and yours...play fast, work hard and have some fun...like Satchel Page once said don't look back, someone is always on your tail trying to beat you. If this seems crass, then you are in for a big surprise and not a very pleasant one when your kids enters the D1 program.

I guess I am one of the lucky ones, good thing my kid is a lights out type of player, not worried! The picture you paint for these boys sure is depressing. I am more of glass half full type of guy who doesn't assume coaches are flat out lying! Good luck to all

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Penn State has already redacted one money offer to a 2017 because they found a better Canadian attackman. And this is not the first time that has happened at Penn State. Maryland has done it with current HS grade kids, UNC has done it, Villanova has done it, St. Johns has done it and Georgetown has done it. Those are all the specifics begged for and there they are. Those are the ones I am aware of and the ranges have been "we offered X earlier, but now can only do this much" or "we offered X and we made a decision to add more money to returning players to keep them happy and off the transfer wagon, so come here and earn your way up and sorry about that" or "we found more talented 2017s or 2016s or...we signed two late 2015s...in your class and need to add money to keep everyone happy." This year Maryland shuffled money designated for 2016s and 2017s to get a couple late 2015 bloomers. It takes constant work to shuffle and adjust to get that back. A great program doesn't have spots for some lights out 2015? Nonsense. A kid doesn't need to be a greek god on the field as a senior 2017, he just needs to dust the competition at that point and leave a coach who needs that player no choice. They will make room if they see a kid who has developed into the player they want or need. Last year UVa subtracted from the commits till to give a 4th year walk on goalie money in his last year to reward his commitment and loyalty to the program. Tough guy wants specifics, there are some for you.

My cousin, who was fired as a first assistant at a high profile D1 non-revenue sport program, lived this life first hand. The prior poster is correct...there are a few head count sports where every guy or gal is on 100% or is a walk on, and then there is the small potatoes shuffle it up sports like men's lacrosse.

So it happens, maybe not everywhere, but it happens. A lot. And there is one very good reason why you don't hear about it: who is going to tell you that? The kid and proud daddy who had their money whacked down? I find it curious that all the 2017 dads or dads who have had a whopping data set of one kid who played or is on a roster of a D1 program become the experts. Deal with hundreds of kids and families first, and then type it up. But you can't. Again, I close by saying to my 2017 commit and yours...play fast, work hard and have some fun...like Satchel Page once said don't look back, someone is always on your tail trying to beat you. If this seems crass, then you are in for a big surprise and not a very pleasant one when your kids enters the D1 program.

I guess I am one of the lucky ones, good thing my kid is a lights out type of player, not worried! The picture you paint for these boys sure is depressing. I am more of glass half full type of guy who doesn't assume coaches are flat out lying! Good luck to all

Lights out player will last a few years, lights out student at a great school will last a lifetime. Not much of a career in lax. Pound your chest when your kid makes something of himself in life off the lax field where it matters most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are like three different arguments going on at the same time.

1--early guys are getting better $ which is why they commit early.

2--four year scholarships

3--nescac

For number 1, it is clear that the earlier you commit, the more 1st year $ you will get. If you look at the top 15 or 20 programs, most have taken their full roster of 2017 and are moving on to 2018. For the parents that say I won't let my kid commit this early, start looking for lower tier d-1 schools like Patriot. They don't give lax money anyway (for the most part) so you don't lose any scholarship opportunity.

I am sure the top programs will have a spot or two later, but unless your kid is a Greek god, it is an awful long shot.

Also, for number 1, I have not heard of a single instance other than failing to meet the grade requirements in which a coach reneged on his verbal early commit $. If someone has seen a coach who committed verbally to a 9th grade kid subsequently reneg on that offer, please share. Again if the kid couldn't make the SAT or GPA requirements, that is not a reneg as it was a condition to the initial package.

So, for number 1, early commits are generally a good thing with higher $ for a one year scholarship that can be renewed or changed by coach after 1st year is complete.

For number 2, we all agree (except for the guy with superman for a son) each year the coach has an opportunity to change the $ allocated up or down. He can cut you if he wants or find a kid that is better...

If your kid got say 25% lax $ and then he got another 25% in merit/gpa $ (total 50%), both can change in year two. For the lax $, the coach can pull them, for merit $, if your kid doesn't keep his GPA over a 3.0 (generally, each school has a little different threshold) he will lose that as well.

I hope a coach never pulls your kids $ but we know it can and has happened.

For number 3, nescac recruit later because they are generally top tier schools but give no lax $ and no merit $. Williams for example is rated number 1 Forbes, called the mini Ivies. Since they are d-3 and since there are no lax $ and no merit $, most of the schools wait while most of the families look to d-1 $ first. Why would a nescac coach waste his time chasing a kid that will likely go to a d-1.

One more point that most of you already know. Lax is a bad sport for scholarship $. at 12.9 for a fully funded program divided by 40-50 players means very little available for each kid.

Worse, many of the programs are no where near fully funded. most Patriots have very little if any lax $ and no merit. They look more like nescac schools...

If your kid has his hear set on going to a great school and playing d-1, open your checkbook a little further because you are looking at $50k plus for tuition and board.

Like the breakdown but disagree with your #1. Ivies are not even close to filling thier 2017's. Acadamies are not fully committed with the 2017's. If all you do is focus on Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Hopkins, UVA, Duke then I would agree. Obviously those schools committed kids who didnt even have thier frashman grades never mind SAT's etc. We will see what the future hold for those commits.

A fact few know is less than than 20 D1 lacrosse programs are fully funded with 12.5. Just one in the Patriot League, then the ACCs, the Big 10s, Hop and Denver. More than anyone would care to admit are less than 33% funded. And, of course, the Ancient Eight does not do scholarships while the Academies are full grant appointments that can't be considered athletic money.

There's about 450 total scholarship equivalents in D1 lacrosse, which breaks down to about 113 per high school class if all classes are equal. That isn't a huge amount of money for an entire sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Penn State has already redacted one money offer to a 2017 because they found a better Canadian attackman. And this is not the first time that has happened at Penn State. Maryland has done it with current HS grade kids, UNC has done it, Villanova has done it, St. Johns has done it and Georgetown has done it. Those are all the specifics begged for and there they are. Those are the ones I am aware of and the ranges have been "we offered X earlier, but now can only do this much" or "we offered X and we made a decision to add more money to returning players to keep them happy and off the transfer wagon, so come here and earn your way up and sorry about that" or "we found more talented 2017s or 2016s or...we signed two late 2015s...in your class and need to add money to keep everyone happy." This year Maryland shuffled money designated for 2016s and 2017s to get a couple late 2015 bloomers. It takes constant work to shuffle and adjust to get that back. A great program doesn't have spots for some lights out 2015? Nonsense. A kid doesn't need to be a greek god on the field as a senior 2017, he just needs to dust the competition at that point and leave a coach who needs that player no choice. They will make room if they see a kid who has developed into the player they want or need. Last year UVa subtracted from the commits till to give a 4th year walk on goalie money in his last year to reward his commitment and loyalty to the program. Tough guy wants specifics, there are some for you.

My cousin, who was fired as a first assistant at a high profile D1 non-revenue sport program, lived this life first hand. The prior poster is correct...there are a few head count sports where every guy or gal is on 100% or is a walk on, and then there is the small potatoes shuffle it up sports like men's lacrosse.

So it happens, maybe not everywhere, but it happens. A lot. And there is one very good reason why you don't hear about it: who is going to tell you that? The kid and proud daddy who had their money whacked down? I find it curious that all the 2017 dads or dads who have had a whopping data set of one kid who played or is on a roster of a D1 program become the experts. Deal with hundreds of kids and families first, and then type it up. But you can't. Again, I close by saying to my 2017 commit and yours...play fast, work hard and have some fun...like Satchel Page once said don't look back, someone is always on your tail trying to beat you. If this seems crass, then you are in for a big surprise and not a very pleasant one when your kids enters the D1 program.

You have dealt with 100s of families that have gone through this? Or was it your cousin who you claim was fired?

If all these schools were taking money away from the kids they verbally committed to, wouldn't we see lots of kids changing from one place to another every year?

If your kid was 2017 and committed early and then next year they call and say sorry kid, 50% is now 25% but we still love you, your kid would be running to every other school saying I am now free. Decided I didn't like xxx coach.

I am sorry, you are probably a decent person, but I just don't believe you or it seems I would see proof of it somewhere.

Wouldn't ty or inside lax or the ny times write an article saying the "myths of the early scholarship". Wouldn't they have included at least mention of this in the general article about the one year scholarship?

Shouldn't there be some kids screaming foul? Instead it is just you and your cousin sharing the down fall of early recruiting on an anonymous web?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Penn State has already redacted one money offer to a 2017 because they found a better Canadian attackman. And this is not the first time that has happened at Penn State. Maryland has done it with current HS grade kids, UNC has done it, Villanova has done it, St. Johns has done it and Georgetown has done it. Those are all the specifics begged for and there they are. Those are the ones I am aware of and the ranges have been "we offered X earlier, but now can only do this much" or "we offered X and we made a decision to add more money to returning players to keep them happy and off the transfer wagon, so come here and earn your way up and sorry about that" or "we found more talented 2017s or 2016s or...we signed two late 2015s...in your class and need to add money to keep everyone happy." This year Maryland shuffled money designated for 2016s and 2017s to get a couple late 2015 bloomers. It takes constant work to shuffle and adjust to get that back. A great program doesn't have spots for some lights out 2015? Nonsense. A kid doesn't need to be a greek god on the field as a senior 2017, he just needs to dust the competition at that point and leave a coach who needs that player no choice. They will make room if they see a kid who has developed into the player they want or need. Last year UVa subtracted from the commits till to give a 4th year walk on goalie money in his last year to reward his commitment and loyalty to the program. Tough guy wants specifics, there are some for you.

My cousin, who was fired as a first assistant at a high profile D1 non-revenue sport program, lived this life first hand. The prior poster is correct...there are a few head count sports where every guy or gal is on 100% or is a walk on, and then there is the small potatoes shuffle it up sports like men's lacrosse.

So it happens, maybe not everywhere, but it happens. A lot. And there is one very good reason why you don't hear about it: who is going to tell you that? The kid and proud daddy who had their money whacked down? I find it curious that all the 2017 dads or dads who have had a whopping data set of one kid who played or is on a roster of a D1 program become the experts. Deal with hundreds of kids and families first, and then type it up. But you can't. Again, I close by saying to my 2017 commit and yours...play fast, work hard and have some fun...like Satchel Page once said don't look back, someone is always on your tail trying to beat you. If this seems crass, then you are in for a big surprise and not a very pleasant one when your kids enters the D1 program.

You have dealt with 100s of families that have gone through this? Or was it your cousin who you claim was fired?

If all these schools were taking money away from the kids they verbally committed to, wouldn't we see lots of kids changing from one place to another every year?

If your kid was 2017 and committed early and then next year they call and say sorry kid, 50% is now 25% but we still love you, your kid would be running to every other school saying I am now free. Decided I didn't like xxx coach.

I am sorry, you are probably a decent person, but I just don't believe you or it seems I would see proof of it somewhere.

Wouldn't ty or inside lax or the ny times write an article saying the "myths of the early scholarship". Wouldn't they have included at least mention of this in the general article about the one year scholarship?

Shouldn't there be some kids screaming foul? Instead it is just you and your cousin sharing the down fall of early recruiting on an anonymous web?

The freshman early committ is a fairly new thing (couple of years). The full effect has not even reached the college level yet. There are quite a few de-commits starting already with the kids changing schools. Also there a quite a few early commits whose parent are "paying the frieght"...ie no scholarship money but get to say that they are committed. The early committ experiment will take a few years to shake out. We will see

Gee, weren't there bunches of transfers of NCAA too program guys this past summer to and from top programs? Maybe you are right and none of these kids were unhappy once in the program and transferred just for fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A fact few know is less than than 20 D1 lacrosse programs are fully funded with 12.5. Just one in the Patriot League, then the ACCs, the Big 10s, Hop and Denver. More than anyone would care to admit are less than 33% funded. And, of course, the Ancient Eight does not do scholarships while the Academies are full grant appointments that can't be considered athletic money.

There's about 450 total scholarship equivalents in D1 lacrosse, which breaks down to about 113 per high school class if all classes are equal. That isn't a huge amount of money for an entire sport.

You seem to know this pretty clearly, Is there anyway to get a list of the Lacrosse scholarships that are offered in a school by school breakdown? I have tried to get this but cant find it.Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]
For number 3, nescac recruit later because they are generally top tier schools but give no lax $ and no merit $. Williams for example is rated number 1 Forbes, called the mini Ivies. Since they are d-3 and since there are no lax $ and no merit $, most of the schools wait while most of the families look to d-1 $ first. Why would a nescac coach waste his time chasing a kid that will likely go to a d-1.

This seems like a whacky way to look at it. "Why would a nescac coach waste his time chasing a kid that will likely go to a d-1?" Answer: Because he offers a far superior academic outcome than most middling D-1 schools. No piddly D-1 offer can ever match the value of a Williams or Amherst degree. That's why the highest ranked D3s should go after the best D-1 caliber talent. Not every family can be so short sighted that a few thousand bucks means didly 40 years down the road. Still haven't heard a good reason why D3s don't seem to verbally commit to prospects until after Junior year.

On another note - who thinks the debacle at UNC is going to shake up the apple cart on their recruiting efforts as well as those of other like-minded basket weaving 101 institutions in the D1 ranks? Think Michigan, OSU, PSU etc have had some interesting internal conference calls over the past few days? What about the implicit comforting recruiting pitch of "academic support - tutors etc.." that has been offered as an attraction to the knuckle head athlete being recruited? What happens to that kid when he shows up on campus and the UNC thing has changed everything so basket weaving becomes hard core physics. Yikes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]
For number 3, nescac recruit later because they are generally top tier schools but give no lax $ and no merit $. Williams for example is rated number 1 Forbes, called the mini Ivies. Since they are d-3 and since there are no lax $ and no merit $, most of the schools wait while most of the families look to d-1 $ first. Why would a nescac coach waste his time chasing a kid that will likely go to a d-1.

This seems like a whacky way to look at it. "Why would a nescac coach waste his time chasing a kid that will likely go to a d-1?" Answer: Because he offers a far superior academic outcome than most middling D-1 schools. No piddly D-1 offer can ever match the value of a Williams or Amherst degree. That's why the highest ranked D3s should go after the best D-1 caliber talent. Not every family can be so short sighted that a few thousand bucks means didly 40 years down the road. Still haven't heard a good reason why D3s don't seem to verbally commit to prospects until after Junior year.

On another note - who thinks the debacle at UNC is going to shake up the apple cart on their recruiting efforts as well as those of other like-minded basket weaving 101 institutions in the D1 ranks? Think Michigan, OSU, PSU etc have had some interesting internal conference calls over the past few days? What about the implicit comforting recruiting pitch of "academic support - tutors etc.." that has been offered as an attraction to the knuckle head athlete being recruited? What happens to that kid when he shows up on campus and the UNC thing has changed everything so basket weaving becomes hard core physics. Yikes.

Most families can't afford the $60k per year at williams. My son would be there but cannot justify the cost. Great school, but not ivy. So, those schools wait for people that can pay and are good. Most of the best go d-1 whether that makes sense to you or not. Whacky? Not sure I think the logic is whacky but to each their own

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]
For number 3, nescac recruit later because they are generally top tier schools but give no lax $ and no merit $. Williams for example is rated number 1 Forbes, called the mini Ivies. Since they are d-3 and since there are no lax $ and no merit $, most of the schools wait while most of the families look to d-1 $ first. Why would a nescac coach waste his time chasing a kid that will likely go to a d-1.

This seems like a whacky way to look at it. "Why would a nescac coach waste his time chasing a kid that will likely go to a d-1?" Answer: Because he offers a far superior academic outcome than most middling D-1 schools. No piddly D-1 offer can ever match the value of a Williams or Amherst degree. That's why the highest ranked D3s should go after the best D-1 caliber talent. Not every family can be so short sighted that a few thousand bucks means didly 40 years down the road. Still haven't heard a good reason why D3s don't seem to verbally commit to prospects until after Junior year.

On another note - who thinks the debacle at UNC is going to shake up the apple cart on their recruiting efforts as well as those of other like-minded basket weaving 101 institutions in the D1 ranks? Think Michigan, OSU, PSU etc have had some interesting internal conference calls over the past few days? What about the implicit comforting recruiting pitch of "academic support - tutors etc.." that has been offered as an attraction to the knuckle head athlete being recruited? What happens to that kid when he shows up on campus and the UNC thing has changed everything so basket weaving becomes hard core physics. Yikes.

Most families can't afford the $60k per year at williams. My son would be there but cannot justify the cost. Great school, but not ivy. So, those schools wait for people that can pay and are good. Most of the best go d-1 whether that makes sense to you or not. Whacky? Not sure I think the logic is whacky but to each their own

Hmmm...take your pick, $40k for middle of the road D1 where your kid could probably get in on his own (after any scholarship $ if there is any) or $60k for Williams. I'll work a few more years to send my kid to Williams. And if you can't afford it and fall into the appropriate income category, Williams will give you need based grants up the wazoo.

On UNC, here is what I know...I am NOT a UNC insider, but am close to another ACC school and the AD at that school. In summary, I can say that this is something the ADs in the ACC have been very worried about for over a year. In the end, UNC and the conference prays the punishment will be financial (>$100mm) and not a sanction to probation men's basketball or football. Financial is something UNC and the ACC can handle.

The odds that the punishment is money would be anyone's guess. I and others doubt an SMU type death penalty is happening here or will ever happen again. At SMU the entire athletic department was wiped out for decades. I also think the major sanctions the NCAA has handed out have lessened more towards money over program probations as years pass. The NCAA also basically killed Univ of Miami in the 1990s, and is not as keen on killing golden gooses in the big football and b'ball conferences. Penn State was really ugly in terms of what it was, but to be fair the punishment there did fit the crimes and for a first time the NCAA pointed more toward a money truck punishment. Penn State weathered that well and will recover, and that is important because it is what the NCAA wants...money and viability after a price and a punishment are metted out at a Penn State or now a UNC. This is bad, and something is coming for sure against UNC.

In regards to lacrosse, the program at UNC is clean. The Cadwalader report investigated mens's football, men's and women's b'ball, baseball and women's soccer (see full report at http://cdn.swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/UNC-FINAL-REPORT.pdf). In the end, football and men's b'ball were found to have years of the wrongdoings for academic fraud and the two flagship non-revenue sports mentioned where UNC is a gold standard (baseball and women's soccer) were deemed clean. If I were a UNC commit's family I would pass no worry these wrongdoings went down the corridor into UNC's lax program. That said, money sanctions and probations that are really draconian have one immediate impact, and that is a negative operating budget and other hit to the non-revenue sports. Just the way it is. The downside is that UNC is still a great lax institution, but the that very bad sanctions COULD affect the operating budget of the program for the probation and money sanction punishment years. UNC is very well funded, but it is possible that at worst the team goes to away games in Maryland by bus and not plane. Like the good 'ole days we old farts always had.

I am another rival ACC guy and hate Carolina blue, but with respect. You want your rivals to be the best and bring their best, or a rivalry is nothing. All the best to UNC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]
For number 3, nescac recruit later because they are generally top tier schools but give no lax $ and no merit $. Williams for example is rated number 1 Forbes, called the mini Ivies. Since they are d-3 and since there are no lax $ and no merit $, most of the schools wait while most of the families look to d-1 $ first. Why would a nescac coach waste his time chasing a kid that will likely go to a d-1.

This seems like a whacky way to look at it. "Why would a nescac coach waste his time chasing a kid that will likely go to a d-1?" Answer: Because he offers a far superior academic outcome than most middling D-1 schools. No piddly D-1 offer can ever match the value of a Williams or Amherst degree. That's why the highest ranked D3s should go after the best D-1 caliber talent. Not every family can be so short sighted that a few thousand bucks means didly 40 years down the road. Still haven't heard a good reason why D3s don't seem to verbally commit to prospects until after Junior year.

On another note - who thinks the debacle at UNC is going to shake up the apple cart on their recruiting efforts as well as those of other like-minded basket weaving 101 institutions in the D1 ranks? Think Michigan, OSU, PSU etc have had some interesting internal conference calls over the past few days? What about the implicit comforting recruiting pitch of "academic support - tutors etc.." that has been offered as an attraction to the knuckle head athlete being recruited? What happens to that kid when he shows up on campus and the UNC thing has changed everything so basket weaving becomes hard core physics. Yikes.

With respect to UNC, you can pull the nail out of the fence but the hole will always be there. With such a stigma now attached to every UNC athlete, what parent in their right mind would let there kid play a sport there and be snickered at and the butt of a joke forever! Program is worthless now. Doesn't really matter, UNC has not done anything special in lacrosse in forever - this will just make it not in our lifetime.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On UNC, here is what I know...I am NOT a UNC insider, but am close to another ACC school and the AD at that school. In summary, I can say that this is something the ADs in the ACC have been very worried about for over a year. In the end, UNC and the conference prays the punishment will be financial (>$100mm) and not a sanction to probation men's basketball or football. Financial is something UNC and the ACC can handle.

The odds that the punishment is money would be anyone's guess. I and others doubt an SMU type death penalty is happening here or will ever happen again. At SMU the entire athletic department was wiped out for decades. I also think the major sanctions the NCAA has handed out have lessened more towards money over program probations as years pass. The NCAA also basically killed Univ of Miami in the 1990s, and is not as keen on killing golden gooses in the big football and b'ball conferences. Penn State was really ugly in terms of what it was, but to be fair the punishment there did fit the crimes and for a first time the NCAA pointed more toward a money truck punishment. Penn State weathered that well and will recover, and that is important because it is what the NCAA wants...money and viability after a price and a punishment are metted out at a Penn State or now a UNC. This is bad, and something is coming for sure against UNC.

In regards to lacrosse, the program at UNC is clean. The Cadwalader report investigated mens's football, men's and women's b'ball, baseball and women's soccer (see full report at http://cdn.swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/UNC-FINAL-REPORT.pdf). In the end, football and men's b'ball were found to have years of the wrongdoings for academic fraud and the two flagship non-revenue sports mentioned where UNC is a gold standard (baseball and women's soccer) were deemed clean. If I were a UNC commit's family I would pass no worry these wrongdoings went down the corridor into UNC's lax program. That said, money sanctions and probations that are really draconian have one immediate impact, and that is a negative operating budget and other hit to the non-revenue sports. Just the way it is. The downside is that UNC is still a great lax institution, but the that very bad sanctions COULD affect the operating budget of the program for the probation and money sanction punishment years. UNC is very well funded, but it is possible that at worst the team goes to away games in Maryland by bus and not plane. Like the good 'ole days we old farts always had.

I am another rival ACC guy and hate Carolina blue, but with respect. You want your rivals to be the best and bring their best, or a rivalry is nothing. All the best to UNC.

Interesting perspective but I think you've missed the most important point entirely. It's not about the money or the NCAA death penalty. It's about the academic reputation of the school. Shattered. Worthless. Destroyed. All the money in the world can't fix that and it affects every athlete at UNC regardless of whether their particular sport was implicated or not. It's like Wall Street, it only takes a few bad apples to destroy the reputation of the entire firm. Nothing worse than reputational destruction. Will never go away and recruits will go elsewhere, which will kill the athletic department without the NCAA having to do it. They're screwed. Plain and simple. Even if my kid were recruited to play there (he wasn't), what's a UNC athlete's degree worth now? Zero. Besides other UNC alums, who's going to hire them?

By that same reasoning Maryland and Ohio State and Michigan are worthless because of past football or basketball transgressions. It is unfair to take that tack against Breschi and the lacrosse program. And I am not a UNC fan either.

Agree there will be a blowback against UNC, but just for a little while. In a very short time, this news will dissipate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On UNC, here is what I know...I am NOT a UNC insider, but am close to another ACC school and the AD at that school. In summary, I can say that this is something the ADs in the ACC have been very worried about for over a year. In the end, UNC and the conference prays the punishment will be financial (>$100mm) and not a sanction to probation men's basketball or football. Financial is something UNC and the ACC can handle.

The odds that the punishment is money would be anyone's guess. I and others doubt an SMU type death penalty is happening here or will ever happen again. At SMU the entire athletic department was wiped out for decades. I also think the major sanctions the NCAA has handed out have lessened more towards money over program probations as years pass. The NCAA also basically killed Univ of Miami in the 1990s, and is not as keen on killing golden gooses in the big football and b'ball conferences. Penn State was really ugly in terms of what it was, but to be fair the punishment there did fit the crimes and for a first time the NCAA pointed more toward a money truck punishment. Penn State weathered that well and will recover, and that is important because it is what the NCAA wants...money and viability after a price and a punishment are metted out at a Penn State or now a UNC. This is bad, and something is coming for sure against UNC.

In regards to lacrosse, the program at UNC is clean. The Cadwalader report investigated mens's football, men's and women's b'ball, baseball and women's soccer (see full report at http://cdn.swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/UNC-FINAL-REPORT.pdf). In the end, football and men's b'ball were found to have years of the wrongdoings for academic fraud and the two flagship non-revenue sports mentioned where UNC is a gold standard (baseball and women's soccer) were deemed clean. If I were a UNC commit's family I would pass no worry these wrongdoings went down the corridor into UNC's lax program. That said, money sanctions and probations that are really draconian have one immediate impact, and that is a negative operating budget and other hit to the non-revenue sports. Just the way it is. The downside is that UNC is still a great lax institution, but the that very bad sanctions COULD affect the operating budget of the program for the probation and money sanction punishment years. UNC is very well funded, but it is possible that at worst the team goes to away games in Maryland by bus and not plane. Like the good 'ole days we old farts always had.

I am another rival ACC guy and hate Carolina blue, but with respect. You want your rivals to be the best and bring their best, or a rivalry is nothing. All the best to UNC.

Interesting perspective but I think you've missed the most important point entirely. It's not about the money or the NCAA death penalty. It's about the academic reputation of the school. Shattered. Worthless. Destroyed. All the money in the world can't fix that and it affects every athlete at UNC regardless of whether their particular sport was implicated or not. It's like Wall Street, it only takes a few bad apples to destroy the reputation of the entire firm. Nothing worse than reputational destruction. Will never go away and recruits will go elsewhere, which will kill the athletic department without the NCAA having to do it. They're screwed. Plain and simple. Even if my kid were recruited to play there (he wasn't), what's a UNC athlete's degree worth now? Zero. Besides other UNC alums, who's going to hire them?

Really? A year from now no one, let a lone a hiring manager at a company, is going to have even a partial recollection of what went down here. Further, what majors do you think the offenders were? Finance? No chance. They had some BS unheard of major that wouldn't have gotten them a job even with a legit UNC degree. It's not like any of these kids were on track to go to work for Exxon Mobil, IBM, Google or B of A if the football thing didn't work out. Let's be honest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On UNC, here is what I know...I am NOT a UNC insider, but am close to another ACC school and the AD at that school. In summary, I can say that this is something the ADs in the ACC have been very worried about for over a year. In the end, UNC and the conference prays the punishment will be financial (>$100mm) and not a sanction to probation men's basketball or football. Financial is something UNC and the ACC can handle.

The odds that the punishment is money would be anyone's guess. I and others doubt an SMU type death penalty is happening here or will ever happen again. At SMU the entire athletic department was wiped out for decades. I also think the major sanctions the NCAA has handed out have lessened more towards money over program probations as years pass. The NCAA also basically killed Univ of Miami in the 1990s, and is not as keen on killing golden gooses in the big football and b'ball conferences. Penn State was really ugly in terms of what it was, but to be fair the punishment there did fit the crimes and for a first time the NCAA pointed more toward a money truck punishment. Penn State weathered that well and will recover, and that is important because it is what the NCAA wants...money and viability after a price and a punishment are metted out at a Penn State or now a UNC. This is bad, and something is coming for sure against UNC.

In regards to lacrosse, the program at UNC is clean. The Cadwalader report investigated mens's football, men's and women's b'ball, baseball and women's soccer (see full report at http://cdn.swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/UNC-FINAL-REPORT.pdf). In the end, football and men's b'ball were found to have years of the wrongdoings for academic fraud and the two flagship non-revenue sports mentioned where UNC is a gold standard (baseball and women's soccer) were deemed clean. If I were a UNC commit's family I would pass no worry these wrongdoings went down the corridor into UNC's lax program. That said, money sanctions and probations that are really draconian have one immediate impact, and that is a negative operating budget and other hit to the non-revenue sports. Just the way it is. The downside is that UNC is still a great lax institution, but the that very bad sanctions COULD affect the operating budget of the program for the probation and money sanction punishment years. UNC is very well funded, but it is possible that at worst the team goes to away games in Maryland by bus and not plane. Like the good 'ole days we old farts always had.

I am another rival ACC guy and hate Carolina blue, but with respect. You want your rivals to be the best and bring their best, or a rivalry is nothing. All the best to UNC.

Interesting perspective but I think you've missed the most important point entirely. It's not about the money or the NCAA death penalty. It's about the academic reputation of the school. Shattered. Worthless. Destroyed. All the money in the world can't fix that and it affects every athlete at UNC regardless of whether their particular sport was implicated or not. It's like Wall Street, it only takes a few bad apples to destroy the reputation of the entire firm. Nothing worse than reputational destruction. Will never go away and recruits will go elsewhere, which will kill the athletic department without the NCAA having to do it. They're screwed. Plain and simple. Even if my kid were recruited to play there (he wasn't), what's a UNC athlete's degree worth now? Zero. Besides other UNC alums, who's going to hire them?

Really? A year from now no one, let a lone a hiring manager at a company, is going to have even a partial recollection of what went down here. Further, what majors do you think the offenders were? Finance? No chance. They had some BS unheard of major that wouldn't have gotten them a job even with a legit UNC degree. It's not like any of these kids were on track to go to work for Exxon Mobil, IBM, Google or B of A if the football thing didn't work out. Let's be honest.

I'm a hiring manager for a very big corporation. I would be very skeptical now of any UNC athlete sitting in front of me for an interview. Will not be forgotten for a long time. Too many other fine athletes from other legit schools to look at, It's a huge problem for UNC athletes and its not going away anytime soon. This is just the beginning. 60 minutes next.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On UNC, here is what I know...I am NOT a UNC insider, but am close to another ACC school and the AD at that school. In summary, I can say that this is something the ADs in the ACC have been very worried about for over a year. In the end, UNC and the conference prays the punishment will be financial (>$100mm) and not a sanction to probation men's basketball or football. Financial is something UNC and the ACC can handle.

The odds that the punishment is money would be anyone's guess. I and others doubt an SMU type death penalty is happening here or will ever happen again. At SMU the entire athletic department was wiped out for decades. I also think the major sanctions the NCAA has handed out have lessened more towards money over program probations as years pass. The NCAA also basically killed Univ of Miami in the 1990s, and is not as keen on killing golden gooses in the big football and b'ball conferences. Penn State was really ugly in terms of what it was, but to be fair the punishment there did fit the crimes and for a first time the NCAA pointed more toward a money truck punishment. Penn State weathered that well and will recover, and that is important because it is what the NCAA wants...money and viability after a price and a punishment are metted out at a Penn State or now a UNC. This is bad, and something is coming for sure against UNC.

In regards to lacrosse, the program at UNC is clean. The Cadwalader report investigated mens's football, men's and women's b'ball, baseball and women's soccer (see full report at http://cdn.swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/UNC-FINAL-REPORT.pdf). In the end, football and men's b'ball were found to have years of the wrongdoings for academic fraud and the two flagship non-revenue sports mentioned where UNC is a gold standard (baseball and women's soccer) were deemed clean. If I were a UNC commit's family I would pass no worry these wrongdoings went down the corridor into UNC's lax program. That said, money sanctions and probations that are really draconian have one immediate impact, and that is a negative operating budget and other hit to the non-revenue sports. Just the way it is. The downside is that UNC is still a great lax institution, but the that very bad sanctions COULD affect the operating budget of the program for the probation and money sanction punishment years. UNC is very well funded, but it is possible that at worst the team goes to away games in Maryland by bus and not plane. Like the good 'ole days we old farts always had.

I am another rival ACC guy and hate Carolina blue, but with respect. You want your rivals to be the best and bring their best, or a rivalry is nothing. All the best to UNC.

Interesting perspective but I think you've missed the most important point entirely. It's not about the money or the NCAA death penalty. It's about the academic reputation of the school. Shattered. Worthless. Destroyed. All the money in the world can't fix that and it affects every athlete at UNC regardless of whether their particular sport was implicated or not. It's like Wall Street, it only takes a few bad apples to destroy the reputation of the entire firm. Nothing worse than reputational destruction. Will never go away and recruits will go elsewhere, which will kill the athletic department without the NCAA having to do it. They're screwed. Plain and simple. Even if my kid were recruited to play there (he wasn't), what's a UNC athlete's degree worth now? Zero. Besides other UNC alums, who's going to hire them?

Really? A year from now no one, let a lone a hiring manager at a company, is going to have even a partial recollection of what went down here. Further, what majors do you think the offenders were? Finance? No chance. They had some BS unheard of major that wouldn't have gotten them a job even with a legit UNC degree. It's not like any of these kids were on track to go to work for Exxon Mobil, IBM, Google or B of A if the football thing didn't work out. Let's be honest.

I'm a hiring manager for a very big corporation. I would be very skeptical now of any UNC athlete sitting in front of me for an interview. Will not be forgotten for a long time. Too many other fine athletes from other legit schools to look at, It's a huge problem for UNC athletes and its not going away anytime soon. This is just the beginning. 60 minutes next.

That's not fair to generalize all UNC athletes in that way. That's just being label conscious. Evaluate the person for who they are and what they bring to the table.

Let's face it, UNC is just the latest program to come to the surface. The whole business of collegiate athletics, specifically at big-time schools, has an under current of impropriety. Coaches and AD's are always dancing on the tightrope of right and wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On UNC, here is what I know...I am NOT a UNC insider, but am close to another ACC school and the AD at that school. In summary, I can say that this is something the ADs in the ACC have been very worried about for over a year. In the end, UNC and the conference prays the punishment will be financial (>$100mm) and not a sanction to probation men's basketball or football. Financial is something UNC and the ACC can handle.

The odds that the punishment is money would be anyone's guess. I and others doubt an SMU type death penalty is happening here or will ever happen again. At SMU the entire athletic department was wiped out for decades. I also think the major sanctions the NCAA has handed out have lessened more towards money over program probations as years pass. The NCAA also basically killed Univ of Miami in the 1990s, and is not as keen on killing golden gooses in the big football and b'ball conferences. Penn State was really ugly in terms of what it was, but to be fair the punishment there did fit the crimes and for a first time the NCAA pointed more toward a money truck punishment. Penn State weathered that well and will recover, and that is important because it is what the NCAA wants...money and viability after a price and a punishment are metted out at a Penn State or now a UNC. This is bad, and something is coming for sure against UNC.

In regards to lacrosse, the program at UNC is clean. The Cadwalader report investigated mens's football, men's and women's b'ball, baseball and women's soccer (see full report at http://cdn.swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/UNC-FINAL-REPORT.pdf). In the end, football and men's b'ball were found to have years of the wrongdoings for academic fraud and the two flagship non-revenue sports mentioned where UNC is a gold standard (baseball and women's soccer) were deemed clean. If I were a UNC commit's family I would pass no worry these wrongdoings went down the corridor into UNC's lax program. That said, money sanctions and probations that are really draconian have one immediate impact, and that is a negative operating budget and other hit to the non-revenue sports. Just the way it is. The downside is that UNC is still a great lax institution, but the that very bad sanctions COULD affect the operating budget of the program for the probation and money sanction punishment years. UNC is very well funded, but it is possible that at worst the team goes to away games in Maryland by bus and not plane. Like the good 'ole days we old farts always had.

I am another rival ACC guy and hate Carolina blue, but with respect. You want your rivals to be the best and bring their best, or a rivalry is nothing. All the best to UNC.

Interesting perspective but I think you've missed the most important point entirely. It's not about the money or the NCAA death penalty. It's about the academic reputation of the school. Shattered. Worthless. Destroyed. All the money in the world can't fix that and it affects every athlete at UNC regardless of whether their particular sport was implicated or not. It's like Wall Street, it only takes a few bad apples to destroy the reputation of the entire firm. Nothing worse than reputational destruction. Will never go away and recruits will go elsewhere, which will kill the athletic department without the NCAA having to do it. They're screwed. Plain and simple. Even if my kid were recruited to play there (he wasn't), what's a UNC athlete's degree worth now? Zero. Besides other UNC alums, who's going to hire them?

Really? A year from now no one, let a lone a hiring manager at a company, is going to have even a partial recollection of what went down here. Further, what majors do you think the offenders were? Finance? No chance. They had some BS unheard of major that wouldn't have gotten them a job even with a legit UNC degree. It's not like any of these kids were on track to go to work for Exxon Mobil, IBM, Google or B of A if the football thing didn't work out. Let's be honest.

I'm a hiring manager for a very big corporation. I would be very skeptical now of any UNC athlete sitting in front of me for an interview. Will not be forgotten for a long time. Too many other fine athletes from other legit schools to look at, It's a huge problem for UNC athletes and its not going away anytime soon. This is just the beginning. 60 minutes next.

That's not fair to generalize all UNC athletes in that way. That's just being label conscious. Evaluate the person for who they are and what they bring to the table.

Let's face it, UNC is just the latest program to come to the surface. The whole business of collegiate athletics, specifically at big-time schools, has an under current of impropriety. Coaches and AD's are always dancing on the tightrope of right and wrong.

That's not real life. Like the lacrosse recruiting process itself, corporate hiring is the same deal. So much great academic talent coming out of great schools that hiring managers are looking for reasons to eliminate candidates from a very competitive pool and this is an easy one to cross somebody off the list and move on to the next great kid. Just human nature. Never going to change and UNC just made it infinitely harder on their athletes. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few current players transfer and a few high school verbals decommit and put themselves back in the recruiting pool and make it even more competitive for any remaining spots at other top programs than it currently already is. You don't think other coaches are reaching out to UNC's recruits to see how strong their loyalty really is in light of all that has happened? Lets see what the next 12 months brings and revisit. Joe Breschi and other UNC coaches have their work cut out to stay competitive. 5 years from now UNC will be the doormat of the ACC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On UNC, here is what I know...I am NOT a UNC insider, but am close to another ACC school and the AD at that school. In summary, I can say that this is something the ADs in the ACC have been very worried about for over a year. In the end, UNC and the conference prays the punishment will be financial (>$100mm) and not a sanction to probation men's basketball or football. Financial is something UNC and the ACC can handle.

The odds that the punishment is money would be anyone's guess. I and others doubt an SMU type death penalty is happening here or will ever happen again. At SMU the entire athletic department was wiped out for decades. I also think the major sanctions the NCAA has handed out have lessened more towards money over program probations as years pass. The NCAA also basically killed Univ of Miami in the 1990s, and is not as keen on killing golden gooses in the big football and b'ball conferences. Penn State was really ugly in terms of what it was, but to be fair the punishment there did fit the crimes and for a first time the NCAA pointed more toward a money truck punishment. Penn State weathered that well and will recover, and that is important because it is what the NCAA wants...money and viability after a price and a punishment are metted out at a Penn State or now a UNC. This is bad, and something is coming for sure against UNC.

In regards to lacrosse, the program at UNC is clean. The Cadwalader report investigated mens's football, men's and women's b'ball, baseball and women's soccer (see full report at http://cdn.swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/UNC-FINAL-REPORT.pdf). In the end, football and men's b'ball were found to have years of the wrongdoings for academic fraud and the two flagship non-revenue sports mentioned where UNC is a gold standard (baseball and women's soccer) were deemed clean. If I were a UNC commit's family I would pass no worry these wrongdoings went down the corridor into UNC's lax program. That said, money sanctions and probations that are really draconian have one immediate impact, and that is a negative operating budget and other hit to the non-revenue sports. Just the way it is. The downside is that UNC is still a great lax institution, but the that very bad sanctions COULD affect the operating budget of the program for the probation and money sanction punishment years. UNC is very well funded, but it is possible that at worst the team goes to away games in Maryland by bus and not plane. Like the good 'ole days we old farts always had.

I am another rival ACC guy and hate Carolina blue, but with respect. You want your rivals to be the best and bring their best, or a rivalry is nothing. All the best to UNC.

Interesting perspective but I think you've missed the most important point entirely. It's not about the money or the NCAA death penalty. It's about the academic reputation of the school. Shattered. Worthless. Destroyed. All the money in the world can't fix that and it affects every athlete at UNC regardless of whether their particular sport was implicated or not. It's like Wall Street, it only takes a few bad apples to destroy the reputation of the entire firm. Nothing worse than reputational destruction. Will never go away and recruits will go elsewhere, which will kill the athletic department without the NCAA having to do it. They're screwed. Plain and simple. Even if my kid were recruited to play there (he wasn't), what's a UNC athlete's degree worth now? Zero. Besides other UNC alums, who's going to hire them?

Really? A year from now no one, let a lone a hiring manager at a company, is going to have even a partial recollection of what went down here. Further, what majors do you think the offenders were? Finance? No chance. They had some BS unheard of major that wouldn't have gotten them a job even with a legit UNC degree. It's not like any of these kids were on track to go to work for Exxon Mobil, IBM, Google or B of A if the football thing didn't work out. Let's be honest.

I'm a hiring manager for a very big corporation. I would be very skeptical now of any UNC athlete sitting in front of me for an interview. Will not be forgotten for a long time. Too many other fine athletes from other legit schools to look at, It's a huge problem for UNC athletes and its not going away anytime soon. This is just the beginning. 60 minutes next.

That's not fair to generalize all UNC athletes in that way. That's just being label conscious. Evaluate the person for who they are and what they bring to the table.

Let's face it, UNC is just the latest program to come to the surface. The whole business of collegiate athletics, specifically at big-time schools, has an under current of impropriety. Coaches and AD's are always dancing on the tightrope of right and wrong.

That's not real life. Like the lacrosse recruiting process itself, corporate hiring is the same deal. So much great academic talent coming out of great schools that hiring managers are looking for reasons to eliminate candidates from a very competitive pool and this is an easy one to cross somebody off the list and move on to the next great kid. Just human nature. Never going to change and UNC just made it infinitely harder on their athletes. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few current players transfer and a few high school verbals decommit and put themselves back in the recruiting pool and make it even more competitive for any remaining spots at other top programs than it currently already is. You don't think other coaches are reaching out to UNC's recruits to see how strong their loyalty really is in light of all that has happened? Lets see what the next 12 months brings and revisit. Joe Breschi and other UNC coaches have their work cut out to stay competitive. 5 years from now UNC will be the doormat of the ACC.

I wouldn't send my kid to UNC now but I also think all the other ACC and big 10 programs do the same basket weaving majors for their athletes and they must now be scared to death of being exposed next. All it takes is one former athlete to chirp and bring down the house. My question is where was the parenting in all this? For sue the parents knew their kids were getting sham degrees. How did they justify that as being ok?

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UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

UPenn -- wow. Would love to be a fly on the wall at UPenn's admissions offices when they read or see of it. Good for the kid and his family, but wow is that mind boggling. No HS grades or scores. No data to extrapolate anything from, and yet a public confirmed commit from an Ivy school to a 9th grader in October. I thought the 2017 class broke the bank on crazy. Surreal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

Who is the commit? From Long Island?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

Who is the commit? From Long Island?

Must be either PA/NJ/LI or NE. The Canadians and MD kids generally do not go IVY (there are exceptions so don't go crazy). Now, before we all get crazy, keep in mind that this kid does not even have a "likely" letter and certainly has not passed through admissions. All he has done is commit to the admissions process when the time comes. If he doesn't get the grades, he will not get in and he'll play elsewhere. No winks or faint promises will get the kid in - he will have to earn it although for sure he can get in with grades below the avg penn applicant - but they still have to be very strong grades and test scores before he gets his "likely" letter. Unfortunately, we're now likely to see a bunch of these "diaper" committed to the admissions process announcements from the other IVYs too. Just grin and bear it.

I'll tell you what's crazy though. A kid committing to High Point over Cornell. Clearly a 4 year lax decision and not a 40 year consideration.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel

pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

Who is the commit? From Long Island?

My son will leave 8th grade with 4 HS classes under his belt and 2 regents tests complete. Students in my area also have been invited to take SATs in MS. I'm not sure what the case is for the recruit, but there are 8th graders that can show mastery of HS courses before they start Freshman year. A top student isn't going to fall to an avg student in 2 years. I do think it is wise to wait and see, but the kid may have already proven himself in some way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

A defenseman from GC committed in early 2014 which would be Feb of 9th grade.....so this is even earlier...although not by much. Not the first time UPenn has gone after a freshman is the point. At the rate they are going they'll be committing 8th graders in the next two years! Ha!

Are you making a joke? Sitting for the SAT in middle school?!? My sophomore took the PSAT last weekend. This is absolutely nuts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel

pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

Who is the commit? From Long Island?

My son will leave 8th grade with 4 HS classes under his belt and 2 regents tests complete. Students in my area also have been invited to take SATs in MS. I'm not sure what the case is for the recruit, but there are 8th graders that can show mastery of HS courses before they start Freshman year. A top student isn't going to fall to an avg student in 2 years. I do think it is wise to wait and see, but the kid may have already proven himself in some way.

Buckle in there my friend. Hopefully for your son HS goes the same as MS. Not for my son, 96 avg in MS. Still did well, but not at that level. Girls, social life, two sports, a brief illness, and a surgery. No excuses here, just pointing out that things get way more complicated, very fast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

Who is the commit? From Long Island?

Must be either PA/NJ/LI or NE. The Canadians and MD kids generally do not go IVY (there are exceptions so don't go crazy). Now, before we all get crazy, keep in mind that this kid does not even have a "likely" letter and certainly has not passed through admissions. All he has done is commit to the admissions process when the time comes. If he doesn't get the grades, he will not get in and he'll play elsewhere. No winks or faint promises will get the kid in - he will have to earn it although for sure he can get in with grades below the avg penn applicant - but they still have to be very strong grades and test scores before he gets his "likely" letter. Unfortunately, we're now likely to see a bunch of these "diaper" committed to the admissions process announcements from the other IVYs too. Just grin and bear it.

I'll tell you what's crazy though. A kid committing to High Point over Cornell. Clearly a 4 year lax decision and not a 40 year consideration.

What does "commit to the admissions process" even mean? How does that differ from kids who verbally commit to non-Ivy schools?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

A defenseman from GC committed in early 2014 which would be Feb of 9th grade.....so this is even earlier...although not by much. Not the first time UPenn has gone after a freshman is the point. At the rate they are going they'll be committing 8th graders in the next two years! Ha!

No HS grades or scores. I wonder how enthused the admissions officers at these schools are about what is going on, or if it may bite back later.

8th grade (even sometimes 7th grade) student may take a SUBJECT SAT if they are in accelerated classes for math and science.

A subject SAT is not the same thing as the SAT. One of my sons took these tests as part of the Hopkins youth programs which is hard to qualify for. The scores PROJECT how the kid will score on a percentile basis on the SAT. Let's be real clear here...it is NOT the SAT, and there are a lot of middle school districts that may have the equivalent of the JHU Center for Talented Youth. Being eligible to sit to take the subject SAT is a result of scoring above 88 percentile on the SSAT, which is an elementary to middle school standardized test for private schools. If some lacrosse schmoe ran one of these scores past an Ivy League admissions office, he'd be laughed at.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

8th grade (even sometimes 7th grade) student may take a SUBJECT SAT if they are in accelerated classes for math and science.

Just been through this process. Committing to admissions process at ivy is same as a verbal commitment at non ivy. Basically the coach does his due diligence with regard to character, academics, skill. Then based on that, he takes a calculated chance on the player- a leap of faith. If the kid doesn't hold up to coaches expected standards, the kid is out of luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

A defenseman from GC committed in early 2014 which would be Feb of 9th grade.....so this is even earlier...although not by much. Not the first time UPenn has gone after a freshman is the point. At the rate they are going they'll be committing 8th graders in the next two years! Ha!

No HS grades or scores. I wonder how enthused the admissions officers at these schools are about what is going on, or if it may bite back later.

Definitely a risk. What good is the recruit to Murphy if the kid is constantly ineligible to play because he's on academic probation or worse, drops out because it's "too hard"? I have a friend who's son played IVY lax and it was absolutely brutal balancing academics and lax. If push came to shove his kid could have dropped lax and stayed at the school. But he managed to get through, miserably. No UNC basket weaving options in sight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

Who is the commit? From Long Island?

Must be either PA/NJ/LI or NE. The Canadians and MD kids generally do not go IVY (there are exceptions so don't go crazy). Now, before we all get crazy, keep in mind that this kid does not even have a "likely" letter and certainly has not passed through admissions. All he has done is commit to the admissions process when the time comes. If he doesn't get the grades, he will not get in and he'll play elsewhere. No winks or faint promises will get the kid in - he will have to earn it although for sure he can get in with grades below the avg penn applicant - but they still have to be very strong grades and test scores before he gets his "likely" letter. Unfortunately, we're now likely to see a bunch of these "diaper" committed to the admissions process announcements from the other IVYs too. Just grin and bear it.

I'll tell you what's crazy though. A kid committing to High Point over Cornell. Clearly a 4 year lax decision and not a 40 year consideration.

How do you know? Have you spoken to the kid or his family? Could it be that Cornell is over his head and he would rather a higher gpa at High Point? Could he want to be a teacher or police officer and thus could not justify the additional debt at Cornell? Could he not want to shovel snow before practice or play February games in Ithaca? Maybe he got an offer he couldn't refuse or maybe he fell in love with the High Point campus. Or better yet, maybe he just couldn't stand being around people like you for 4 years, not everyone wants to take over the world. Considering the kid goes to one of the toughest high schools in the country, I'd say it's fair to assume that he and his family put a lot of thought into this decision and came away with High Point being the best decision for him. I guess they should have called you first though�

Originally Posted by Anonymous

8th grade (even sometimes 7th grade) student may take a SUBJECT SAT if they are in accelerated classes for math and science.

Just been through this process. Committing to admissions process at ivy is same as a verbal commitment at non ivy. Basically the coach does his due diligence with regard to character, academics, skill. Then based on that, he takes a calculated chance on the player- a leap of faith. If the kid doesn't hold up to coaches expected standards, the kid is out of luck.

The two are not the same. The scholarship schools are offering you a grant-in-aid scholarship The Ivies are offering to "support the application" of your son through the process. One is an economic deal and one is not. At scholarship schools coaches are given an abundance of flexibility with their "spots"...in other words, if you meet whatever minimal standards your kid is admitted. At an Ivy, I'd be more suspect that Murphy or others are out of synch with their own admissions officers who won't roll over like at scholarship schools. Diligence on the academics of an 8th grader?!? Whatever, I will assume the coaches do that, however hollow that is given NO DATA. The real question in play is, are Murphy, et al, in synch with their own administrators? Ty Xanders redacted his tribal ritual tweets about the 2018 kid who committed to UPenn last night. Hey, congrats to the family and the kid. But I do suspect at a level there will be a spanking into an order. Go ahead and offer spots to 6th graders for all we care, just don't confirm it for public consumption. Which some Ivy coaches are obviously doing to keep up with Joneses or UNCs, but at some risks I would guess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

Who is the commit? From Long Island?

Must be either PA/NJ/LI or NE. The Canadians and MD kids generally do not go IVY (there are exceptions so don't go crazy). Now, before we all get crazy, keep in mind that this kid does not even have a "likely" letter and certainly has not passed through admissions. All he has done is commit to the admissions process when the time comes. If he doesn't get the grades, he will not get in and he'll play elsewhere. No winks or faint promises will get the kid in - he will have to earn it although for sure he can get in with grades below the avg penn applicant - but they still have to be very strong grades and test scores before he gets his "likely" letter. Unfortunately, we're now likely to see a bunch of these "diaper" committed to the admissions process announcements from the other IVYs too. Just grin and bear it.

I'll tell you what's crazy though. A kid committing to High Point over Cornell. Clearly a 4 year lax decision and not a 40 year consideration.

How do you know? Have you spoken to the kid or his family? Could it be that Cornell is over his head and he would rather a higher gpa at High Point? Could he want to be a teacher or police officer and thus could not justify the additional debt at Cornell? Could he not want to shovel snow before practice or play February games in Ithaca? Maybe he got an offer he couldn't refuse or maybe he fell in love with the High Point campus. Or better yet, maybe he just couldn't stand being around people like you for 4 years, not everyone wants to take over the world. Considering the kid goes to one of the toughest high schools in the country, I'd say it's fair to assume that he and his family put a lot of thought into this decision and came away with High Point being the best decision for him. I guess they should have called you first though�

Or maybe he just wants to work for a IVY grad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

Who is the commit? From Long Island?

Malvern prep in PA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

This is a 2017 forum and some are aghast at UPenn's early pick of a high school freshman? This isn't news. Same exact thing happened last year with 2017s. The date of the first verbal may not match year on year, but it's just splitting hairs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

Who is the commit? From Long Island?

Must be either PA/NJ/LI or NE. The Canadians and MD kids generally do not go IVY (there are exceptions so don't go crazy). Now, before we all get crazy, keep in mind that this kid does not even have a "likely" letter and certainly has not passed through admissions. All he has done is commit to the admissions process when the time comes. If he doesn't get the grades, he will not get in and he'll play elsewhere. No winks or faint promises will get the kid in - he will have to earn it although for sure he can get in with grades below the avg penn applicant - but they still have to be very strong grades and test scores before he gets his "likely" letter. Unfortunately, we're now likely to see a bunch of these "diaper" committed to the admissions process announcements from the other IVYs too. Just grin and bear it.

I'll tell you what's crazy though. A kid committing to High Point over Cornell. Clearly a 4 year lax decision and not a 40 year consideration.

How do you know? Have you spoken to the kid or his family? Could it be that Cornell is over his head and he would rather a higher gpa at High Point? Could he want to be a teacher or police officer and thus could not justify the additional debt at Cornell? Could he not want to shovel snow before practice or play February games in Ithaca? Maybe he got an offer he couldn't refuse or maybe he fell in love with the High Point campus. Or better yet, maybe he just couldn't stand being around people like you for 4 years, not everyone wants to take over the world. Considering the kid goes to one of the toughest high schools in the country, I'd say it's fair to assume that he and his family put a lot of thought into this decision and came away with High Point being the best decision for him. I guess they should have called you first though�

Or maybe he just wants to work for a IVY grad.

Could be High Point offers a major he is interested in, could be financial, could be the kid wants a life out of academics. I have a bunch of relatives who went to Ivy schools. Some are successful, two are chronically unemployed (one Yale, one Princeton). have no clue how to manage personal finances and always think they are too good for every job they are offered. At 40 plus still have student debt. An Ivy education not for everyone and it is not a guarantee of success, especially if you are miserable while attending. Be happy the kid left a spot for your kid!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

Who is the commit? From Long Island?

Must be either PA/NJ/LI or NE. The Canadians and MD kids generally do not go IVY (there are exceptions so don't go crazy). Now, before we all get crazy, keep in mind that this kid does not even have a "likely" letter and certainly has not passed through admissions. All he has done is commit to the admissions process when the time comes. If he doesn't get the grades, he will not get in and he'll play elsewhere. No winks or faint promises will get the kid in - he will have to earn it although for sure he can get in with grades below the avg penn applicant - but they still have to be very strong grades and test scores before he gets his "likely" letter. Unfortunately, we're now likely to see a bunch of these "diaper" committed to the admissions process announcements from the other IVYs too. Just grin and bear it.

I'll tell you what's crazy though. A kid committing to High Point over Cornell. Clearly a 4 year lax decision and not a 40 year consideration.

How do you know? Have you spoken to the kid or his family? Could it be that Cornell is over his head and he would rather a higher gpa at High Point? Could he want to be a teacher or police officer and thus could not justify the additional debt at Cornell? Could he not want to shovel snow before practice or play February games in Ithaca? Maybe he got an offer he couldn't refuse or maybe he fell in love with the High Point campus. Or better yet, maybe he just couldn't stand being around people like you for 4 years, not everyone wants to take over the world. Considering the kid goes to one of the toughest high schools in the country, I'd say it's fair to assume that he and his family put a lot of thought into this decision and came away with High Point being the best decision for him. I guess they should have called you first though�

Or maybe he just wants to work for a IVY grad.

Could be High Point offers a major he is interested in, could be financial, could be the kid wants a life out of academics. I have a bunch of relatives who went to Ivy schools. Some are successful, two are chronically unemployed (one Yale, one Princeton). have no clue how to manage personal finances and always think they are too good for every job they are offered. At 40 plus still have student debt. An Ivy education not for everyone and it is not a guarantee of success, especially if you are miserable while attending. Be happy the kid left a spot for your kid!

I'll have my kid take his chances in life with an IVY degree, You have fun chasing down a McJob for your son after he has an awesome lax bro time at Lax U.

This Ivy only mentality is not what it is all cracked up to be. Not every kid is good fit at an ivy even if they have the grades. You can get a great education at many great schools. It has to be the right fit. Totally agree that an Ivy diploma is no guarantee to success. There are plenty of former ivy athletes that less successful than those from non -ivy schools. If the kid fits at an ivy and will thrive there as a student athlete.. that's great . But don't think for a second that an athlete from a non-ivy school with a good academic reputation can't do as well or better after graduation. If the kid is happy they will do well.

High Point is an example of a very expensive private school that is ranked about #550 by periodicals which rank universities. We can argue rankings, but the point is there is just about everything wrong with a kid going to a bottom tier school to play lacrosse. College is expensive and burdensome to kids who graduate with student debt, and as prior posters noted a college degree is not a guarantee. I'm sensitive to financially strapping out our family or son unless it is a strong shot. We live in a state where schools like George Mason or Virginia Tech cost less than $15K a year for in state and have club lacrosse or maybe they go D1 funded in next few years. As one guy who is a headhunter blasted he'd look poorly on a UNC grad...well, would he look at all at a High Point recent grad? Be honest, if not for lacrosse putting these places on our maps, would the average adult be able to guess what states High Point or Bryant College are in? I grew up in Maine and never heard of Bryant until I was a high school senior and one of my smoke a jay buddies applied there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

Who is the commit? From Long Island?

Must be either PA/NJ/LI or NE. The Canadians and MD kids generally do not go IVY (there are exceptions so don't go crazy). Now, before we all get crazy, keep in mind that this kid does not even have a "likely" letter and certainly has not passed through admissions. All he has done is commit to the admissions process when the time comes. If he doesn't get the grades, he will not get in and he'll play elsewhere. No winks or faint promises will get the kid in - he will have to earn it although for sure he can get in with grades below the avg penn applicant - but they still have to be very strong grades and test scores before he gets his "likely" letter. Unfortunately, we're now likely to see a bunch of these "diaper" committed to the admissions process announcements from the other IVYs too. Just grin and bear it.

I'll tell you what's crazy though. A kid committing to High Point over Cornell. Clearly a 4 year lax decision and not a 40 year consideration.

How do you know? Have you spoken to the kid or his family? Could it be that Cornell is over his head and he would rather a higher gpa at High Point? Could he want to be a teacher or police officer and thus could not justify the additional debt at Cornell? Could he not want to shovel snow before practice or play February games in Ithaca? Maybe he got an offer he couldn't refuse or maybe he fell in love with the High Point campus. Or better yet, maybe he just couldn't stand being around people like you for 4 years, not everyone wants to take over the world. Considering the kid goes to one of the toughest high schools in the country, I'd say it's fair to assume that he and his family put a lot of thought into this decision and came away with High Point being the best decision for him. I guess they should have called you first though�

Or maybe he just wants to work for a IVY grad.

Sorry to tell you, but I can wipe my hide quarters with many Ivy league degrees. Many of these people are social misfits with a unique ability to regurgitate information. When it comes to real world application, many are incapable of transferring their supposed superior intellect. Do yourself and your son a favor, pick a school based on fit. Not US News rankings. Ask yourself this question: How legitimate could these "IVY" degrees be? Are they really taking the best students? Half the kids accepted are from "unrepresented groups" that go for free, with academic records far below those of many of the rejected pool of applicants. These rejected applicants just also happen to be from the current racial majority. Now, use your IVY degree to follow here. If these under qualified applicants can make it through, how difficult could it be? Ahhh the smoke and mirrors are lifted. Here's one for you IVY nuts. Recently, a news show interviewed 6 random students on the campus of Harvard. They were asked: Who is a greater threat to world peace? ISIS or the United States. ALL six students said the United States... Is that what they're teaching these days???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Ivy only mentality is not what it is all cracked up to be. Not every kid is good fit at an ivy even if they have the grades. You can get a great education at many great schools. It has to be the right fit. Totally agree that an Ivy diploma is no guarantee to success. There are plenty of former ivy athletes that less successful than those from non -ivy schools. If the kid fits at an ivy and will thrive there as a student athlete.. that's great . But don't think for a second that an athlete from a non-ivy school with a good academic reputation can't do as well or better after graduation. If the kid is happy they will do well.

Agreed. Many Ivy grads of late are doing lax lessons for $75 an hour and doing the ever so profitable MLL run. Some are coaching HS lax also. You got to try to be happy in the career path you choose but to go through the riggers of an Ivy academically and than after you complete that very tough task you working with 6th graders on week nights on shooting over hand?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UNC's lacrosse recruiter left over the summer. I wonder if he was smart to see this coming. Now he is in the same position at UPenn.

UPenn just publicly committed a 2018. A high school freshman with no grades, no scores. From a lacrosse evaluation perspective, the recruiting tournaments for clubs in fall don't start until this weekend.

This is lunacy. An Ivy League school allowing a coach this latitude? I am sure this kid is an exceptional lacrosse player, but if I had a UPenn degree I would feel pretty embarrassed and offended by these admissions spot hall passes for kids with junior high school transcripts. Most applicants to UPenn submit perfect grades and scores into their senior year, and most of them don't get in.

Who is the commit? From Long Island?

Must be either PA/NJ/LI or NE. The Canadians and MD kids generally do not go IVY (there are exceptions so don't go crazy). Now, before we all get crazy, keep in mind that this kid does not even have a "likely" letter and certainly has not passed through admissions. All he has done is commit to the admissions process when the time comes. If he doesn't get the grades, he will not get in and he'll play elsewhere. No winks or faint promises will get the kid in - he will have to earn it although for sure he can get in with grades below the avg penn applicant - but they still have to be very strong grades and test scores before he gets his "likely" letter. Unfortunately, we're now likely to see a bunch of these "diaper" committed to the admissions process announcements from the other IVYs too. Just grin and bear it.

I'll tell you what's crazy though. A kid committing to High Point over Cornell. Clearly a 4 year lax decision and not a 40 year consideration.

How do you know? Have you spoken to the kid or his family? Could it be that Cornell is over his head and he would rather a higher gpa at High Point? Could he want to be a teacher or police officer and thus could not justify the additional debt at Cornell? Could he not want to shovel snow before practice or play February games in Ithaca? Maybe he got an offer he couldn't refuse or maybe he fell in love with the High Point campus. Or better yet, maybe he just couldn't stand being around people like you for 4 years, not everyone wants to take over the world. Considering the kid goes to one of the toughest high schools in the country, I'd say it's fair to assume that he and his family put a lot of thought into this decision and came away with High Point being the best decision for him. I guess they should have called you first though�

Or maybe he just wants to work for a IVY grad.

Sorry to tell you, but I can wipe my hide quarters with many Ivy league degrees. Many of these people are social misfits with a unique ability to regurgitate information. When it comes to real world application, many are incapable of transferring their supposed superior intellect. Do yourself and your son a favor, pick a school based on fit. Not US News rankings. Ask yourself this question: How legitimate could these "IVY" degrees be? Are they really taking the best students? Half the kids accepted are from "unrepresented groups" that go for free, with academic records far below those of many of the rejected pool of applicants. These rejected applicants just also happen to be from the current racial majority. Now, use your IVY degree to follow here. If these under qualified applicants can make it through, how difficult could it be? Ahhh the smoke and mirrors are lifted. Here's one for you IVY nuts. Recently, a news show interviewed 6 random students on the campus of Harvard. They were asked: Who is a greater threat to world peace? ISIS or the United States. ALL six students said the United States... Is that what they're teaching these days???

BRAVO!

Good to see three more '17 Long Island boys committed this month (Cornell, Bucknell, Loyola); two are Turtles.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to tell you, but I can wipe my hide quarters with many Ivy league degrees...

classic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good to see three more '17 Long Island boys committed this month (Cornell, Bucknell, Loyola); two are Turtles.

Is the whole turtle team committed by now? What schools?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good to see three more '17 Long Island boys committed this month (Cornell, Bucknell, Loyola); two are Turtles.

Is the whole turtle team committed by now? What schools?

No

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Ivy only mentality is not what it is all cracked up to be. Not every kid is good fit at an ivy even if they have the grades. You can get a great education at many great schools. It has to be the right fit. Totally agree that an Ivy diploma is no guarantee to success. There are plenty of former ivy athletes that less successful than those from non -ivy schools. If the kid fits at an ivy and will thrive there as a student athlete.. that's great . But don't think for a second that an athlete from a non-ivy school with a good academic reputation can't do as well or better after graduation. If the kid is happy they will do well.

Agreed. Many Ivy grads of late are doing lax lessons for $75 an hour and doing the ever so profitable MLL run. Some are coaching HS lax also. You got to try to be happy in the career path you choose but to go through the riggers of an Ivy academically and than after you complete that very tough task you working with 6th graders on week nights on shooting over hand?

Well we can see that your college degree doesn't allow you to know the difference between the "thoroughness" of an Ivy vs. attending to the sails of the boats at an Ivy. People on this site love to take one off examples and transform them into universal truths. The only true thing is that every adult makes their own choices for their own reasons. There are many teachers that could have chosen Wall Street, but chose to become teachers and earn substantially less because that is where their passion lies. There are also many of us adults that make mistakes in our lives and this board seems to relish tearing these people down. What gives?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

High Point is an example of a very expensive private school that is ranked about #550 by periodicals which rank universities. We can argue rankings, but the point is there is just about everything wrong with a kid going to a bottom tier school to play lacrosse. College is expensive and burdensome to kids who graduate with student debt, and as prior posters noted a college degree is not a guarantee. I'm sensitive to financially strapping out our family or son unless it is a strong shot. We live in a state where schools like George Mason or Virginia Tech cost less than $15K a year for in state and have club lacrosse or maybe they go D1 funded in next few years. As one guy who is a headhunter blasted he'd look poorly on a UNC grad...well, would he look at all at a High Point recent grad? Be honest, if not for lacrosse putting these places on our maps, would the average adult be able to guess what states High Point or Bryant College are in? I grew up in Maine and never heard of Bryant until I was a high school senior and one of my smoke a jay buddies applied there.

High Point is tied for 1st place in US News' 2015 rankings in the Regional College South category.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

High Point is tied for 1st place in US News' 2015 rankings in the Regional College South category.

Go to Charlotte, Atlanta or Raleigh and you will see a much stronger alumni network from the SOCON schools than you will from Patriot, Big East or other northern conferences. It is important for your son to consider where he wants to live when he grows up. Charlotte with BofA and Wells is a big financial services center, Raleigh with the Research Triangle Park houses Lenovo, IBM and a lot of other tech as well as pharma companies. Most Rankings of best places to live include a laundry list of the suburbs for these cities.

The school is heavily leveraged. I don't think they have any endowment to speak of.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-04-19/bubble-u-dot-high-point-university

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The school is heavily leveraged. I don't think they have any endowment to speak of.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-04-19/bubble-u-dot-high-point-university

If the article was not bad enough, oh God are those comments from ex-profs awful. $2.1 billion in spending planned...in rural North Carolina?!? At a school with a current endowment of $37mm?!? My kid's K-8 parochial school has a bigger endowment than that. Unless Mike Milken is joining the board to help sell some non-investment grade bonds with High Point as an issuer, this place may not even have doors open to welcome a 2017 commit. Sweet Jeezzuuusss.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

High Point is tied for 1st place in US News' 2015 rankings in the Regional College South category.

Go to Charlotte, Atlanta or Raleigh and you will see a much stronger alumni network from the SOCON schools than you will from Patriot, Big East or other northern conferences. It is important for your son to consider where he wants to live when he grows up. Charlotte with BofA and Wells is a big financial services center, Raleigh with the Research Triangle Park houses Lenovo, IBM and a lot of other tech as well as pharma companies. Most Rankings of best places to live include a laundry list of the suburbs for these cities.

Do you realize how few people outside of your area code even know what SOCON stands for? I had to look it up, and I live in the state next to you. Ok, ok, you can go to High Point and interview in a city less than 100 miles away to find employers who have heard of it. I am pretty sure you would recognize Lehigh, Villanova and Seton Hall as the names of universities and likely know where those schools without the help of a map. The point is if a kid in North Carolina wants a 4 year degree, there is UNC, NC State, East Carolina, UNC Wilmington, UNC Charlotte...all of which cost less than $10K a year and are better 4 year schools in terms of reputation and standing than High Point which is a private school that costs same as say Georgetown or Duke. No employers struggle to recognize those schools. College is a crippling financial burden for average families. It has to be worth the investment.

First 2015 de-commit from UNC. How many to follow after academic debacle? How many other UNC debacles are yet to surface? UNC is the laughingstock now (see Saturday Night Live this past weekend) but for sure there are others that will soon be exposed. Maybe High Point is better than UNC academically after all? Delicious.

How many current 2016s will de-commit from UNC and reclassify to 2017? I predict the flood gates are open now and this will be a big trend and will create a ridiculous amount of competition for any remaining spots open for 2017s. Same for any current 2017 UNC commits although less pressure to reclassify to 2018. UNC just screwed the current uncommitted 2017s big time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many current 2016s will de-commit from UNC and reclassify to 2017? I predict the flood gates are open now and this will be a big trend and will create a ridiculous amount of competition for any remaining spots open for 2017s. Same for any current 2017 UNC commits although less pressure to reclassify to 2018. UNC just screwed the current uncommitted 2017s big time.

You'd almost have to expect that the 2017s who made their college choices as HS freshmen were making immature choices because they were so young. I think it is way broader than UNC. There are families of 2017 kids committed to Big 10 and ACC schools who are all ears for other offers and are not very subtle about it. I have privately felt for some time that parents and kids want to commit early to grab the prestige and status of being an early commit and therefore they must be better players (at least in their own minds). I have no doubt that early verbals will be divas and stay in play. This sport is a pond of scum now.

I am not sure I agree with any of you that think this unc scandal is a great big deal. Either the kid took one of those classes or not, I certainly wouldn't not hire someone based upon this report.

I tried to think of something smart to say, but came back to mr orginal through. You are an IDIOT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not sure I agree with any of you that think this unc scandal is a great big deal. Either the kid took one of those classes or not, I certainly wouldn't not hire someone based upon this report.

You're missing the point. The UNC brand, particularly for all of it's athletes, is now in the garbage regardless of direct implication or not. What parent in their right mind would pay any amount of money to send their kid to UNC to play a sport right now. It's been exposed as a joke school for many athletes and the butt of SNL jokes. I'd be embarrassed to even put that sticker on my car.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many current 2016s will de-commit from UNC and reclassify to 2017? I predict the flood gates are open now and this will be a big trend and will create a ridiculous amount of competition for any remaining spots open for 2017s. Same for any current 2017 UNC commits although less pressure to reclassify to 2018. UNC just screwed the current uncommitted 2017s big time.

2017 and 2016 market will be flooded with UNC caliber talent. Ugh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many current 2016s will de-commit from UNC and reclassify to 2017? I predict the flood gates are open now and this will be a big trend and will create a ridiculous amount of competition for any remaining spots open for 2017s. Same for any current 2017 UNC commits although less pressure to reclassify to 2018. UNC just screwed the current uncommitted 2017s big time.

You'd almost have to expect that the 2017s who made their college choices as HS freshmen were making immature choices because they were so young. I think it is way broader than UNC. There are families of 2017 kids committed to Big 10 and ACC schools who are all ears for other offers and are not very subtle about it. I have privately felt for some time that parents and kids want to commit early to grab the prestige and status of being an early commit and therefore they must be better players (at least in their own minds). I have no doubt that early verbals will be divas and stay in play. This sport is a pond of scum now.

Spot on. Cesspool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many current 2016s will de-commit from UNC and reclassify to 2017? I predict the flood gates are open now and this will be a big trend and will create a ridiculous amount of competition for any remaining spots open for 2017s. Same for any current 2017 UNC commits although less pressure to reclassify to 2018. UNC just screwed the current uncommitted 2017s big time.

You'd almost have to expect that the 2017s who made their college choices as HS freshmen were making immature choices because they were so young. I think it is way broader than UNC. There are families of 2017 kids committed to Big 10 and ACC schools who are all ears for other offers and are not very subtle about it. I have privately felt for some time that parents and kids want to commit early to grab the prestige and status of being an early commit and therefore they must be better players (at least in their own minds). I have no doubt that early verbals will be divas and stay in play. This sport is a pond of scum now.

Spot on. Cesspool.

"spot on, cesspool" and "pond of scum"?? Really? These are KIDS!!!! And your disrespectful envious comments are raging of JEALOUSY about early commits. This sport is a GREAT sport played by great players. Sounds like your son cant "hang".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First 2015 de-commit from UNC. How many to follow after academic debacle? How many other UNC debacles are yet to surface? UNC is the laughingstock now (see Saturday Night Live this past weekend) but for sure there are others that will soon be exposed. Maybe High Point is better than UNC academically after all? Delicious.

I am not sure I agree with this. There are always these Easy Breezy classes that all the athletes took. It happen outside of sports as well. That communication class where attendance was "optional" the final paper wasn't. There was always that tough required class you took as pass/fail.

I think they will rebound and for those that think a UNC education will hinder an athletes chances at employment later, I think those going in at 2017 or later can say they went through a tougher curriculum and under a sharper microscope than ever.

Now will the talent be there on the field the next few years, who knows. UNC football was a borderline team not a power house in the first place; Hoops had some down years; lax has had its ebbs and flows. I think it will all pan out.

Here's a different take. I get why club guys stoke the early recruiting. You can sell camps, events and videography to 6th grade parents and keep them on the crack through high school. Every class maybe 100-200 kids exit this money grab merry go round early? So what, that is a great business.

College coaches, I wonder why they commit classes this way. Isn't it now a total waste of money and time to attend prospect camps at the ACC schools and some others like UPenn knowing they are full in a class once summer after freshman year is past? Only one year ago it was a great idea to go to UNC or UVa prospect days. Team camps? I'd be furious if our club scheduled UVa or UNC team camps in summer for a kid beyond 8th grade. Those things make nice money for these college coaches and their assistants but got redundant fast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I tried to think of something smart to say, but came back to mr orginal through. You are an IDIOT.

Clearly, you couldn't think of anything smart because you're not an IVY grad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many current 2016s will de-commit from UNC and reclassify to 2017? I predict the flood gates are open now and this will be a big trend and will create a ridiculous amount of competition for any remaining spots open for 2017s. Same for any current 2017 UNC commits although less pressure to reclassify to 2018. UNC just screwed the current uncommitted 2017s big time.

You'd almost have to expect that the 2017s who made their college choices as HS freshmen were making immature choices because they were so young. I think it is way broader than UNC. There are families of 2017 kids committed to Big 10 and ACC schools who are all ears for other offers and are not very subtle about it. I have privately felt for some time that parents and kids want to commit early to grab the prestige and status of being an early commit and therefore they must be better players (at least in their own minds). I have no doubt that early verbals will be divas and stay in play. This sport is a pond of scum now.

Spot on. Cesspool.

"spot on, cesspool" and "pond of scum"?? Really? These are KIDS!!!! And your disrespectful envious comments are raging of JEALOUSY about early commits. This sport is a GREAT sport played by great players. Sounds like your son cant "hang".

Relax tough guy. Talking about the recruiting process, not the boys or the sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First 2015 de-commit from UNC. How many to follow after academic debacle? How many other UNC debacles are yet to surface? UNC is the laughingstock now (see Saturday Night Live this past weekend) but for sure there are others that will soon be exposed. Maybe High Point is better than UNC academically after all? Delicious.

I am not sure I agree with this. There are always these Easy Breezy classes that all the athletes took. It happen outside of sports as well. That communication class where attendance was "optional" the final paper wasn't. There was always that tough required class you took as pass/fail.

I think they will rebound and for those that think a UNC education will hinder an athletes chances at employment later, I think those going in at 2017 or later can say they went through a tougher curriculum and under a sharper microscope than ever.

Now will the talent be there on the field the next few years, who knows. UNC football was a borderline team not a power house in the first place; Hoops had some down years; lax has had its ebbs and flows. I think it will all pan out.

The current athletes already there as well as the current 2015s and 2016 high school recruits should also be in for a much tougher academic grind too, not just the 2017s and beyond. Everybody is going to benefit from a much tighter academic requirement. It's healthy for the athletes to feel more pain in the classrooms although it will weed out the "lax bros" who are not interested in academics in the first place, which will probably hurt the competitiveness of the team. But, on the other hand, the kids will graduate with a real education, which is worth the struggle.

If you haven't seen the SNL snipe at UNC here it is. Horrifying for UNC but priceless for their competition.
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014...live-weekend-update-unc-academic-scandal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First 2015 de-commit from UNC. How many to follow after academic debacle? How many other UNC debacles are yet to surface? UNC is the laughingstock now (see Saturday Night Live this past weekend) but for sure there are others that will soon be exposed. Maybe High Point is better than UNC academically after all? Delicious.

I am not sure I agree with this. There are always these Easy Breezy classes that all the athletes took. It happen outside of sports as well. That communication class where attendance was "optional" the final paper wasn't. There was always that tough required class you took as pass/fail.

I think they will rebound and for those that think a UNC education will hinder an athletes chances at employment later, I think those going in at 2017 or later can say they went through a tougher curriculum and under a sharper microscope than ever.

Now will the talent be there on the field the next few years, who knows. UNC football was a borderline team not a power house in the first place; Hoops had some down years; lax has had its ebbs and flows. I think it will all pan out.

The current athletes already there as well as the current 2015s and 2016 high school recruits should also be in for a much tougher academic grind too, not just the 2017s and beyond. Everybody is going to benefit from a much tighter academic requirement. It's healthy for the athletes to feel more pain in the classrooms although it will weed out the "lax bros" who are not interested in academics in the first place, which will probably hurt the competitiveness of the team. But, on the other hand, the kids will graduate with a real education, which is worth the struggle.

Ungood and Distrue.

Top 2015 Attackman decommitted today! How long before Munro bails his son out?

[How do you know? Have you spoken to the kid or his family? Could it be that Cornell is over his head and he would rather a higher gpa at High Point? Could he want to be a teacher or police officer and thus could not justify the additional debt at Cornell? Could he not want to shovel snow before practice or play February games in Ithaca? Maybe he got an offer he couldn't refuse or maybe he fell in love with the High Point campus. Or better yet, maybe he just couldn't stand being around people like you for 4 years, not everyone wants to take over the world. Considering the kid goes to one of the toughest high schools in the country, I'd say it's fair to assume that he and his family put a lot of thought into this decision and came away with High Point being the best decision for him. I guess they should have called you first though� [/quote]

Or maybe he just wants to work for a IVY grad. [/quote]

Could be High Point offers a major he is interested in, could be financial, could be the kid wants a life out of academics. I have a bunch of relatives who went to Ivy schools. Some are successful, two are chronically unemployed (one Yale, one Princeton). have no clue how to manage personal finances and always think they are too good for every job they are offered. At 40 plus still have student debt. An Ivy education not for everyone and it is not a guarantee of success, especially if you are miserable while attending. Be happy the kid left a spot for your kid! [/quote]

I'll have my kid take his chances in life with an IVY degree, You have fun chasing down a McJob for your son after he has an awesome lax bro time at Lax U.[/quote]

Thanks dude, my kid is attending a service academy. I'll take that education, life experience and opportunity over an Ivy, guess what so will most employers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many current 2016s will de-commit from UNC and reclassify to 2017? I predict the flood gates are open now and this will be a big trend and will create a ridiculous amount of competition for any remaining spots open for 2017s. Same for any current 2017 UNC commits although less pressure to reclassify to 2018. UNC just screwed the current uncommitted 2017s big time.

You'd almost have to expect that the 2017s who made their college choices as HS freshmen were making immature choices because they were so young. I think it is way broader than UNC. There are families of 2017 kids committed to Big 10 and ACC schools who are all ears for other offers and are not very subtle about it. I have privately felt for some time that parents and kids want to commit early to grab the prestige and status of being an early commit and therefore they must be better players (at least in their own minds). I have no doubt that early verbals will be divas and stay in play. This sport is a pond of scum now.

Spot on. Cesspool.

"spot on, cesspool" and "pond of scum"?? Really? These are KIDS!!!! And your disrespectful envious comments are raging of JEALOUSY about early commits. This sport is a GREAT sport played by great players. Sounds like your son cant "hang".

Relax tough guy. Talking about the recruiting process, not the boys or the sport.

Than explain yourself better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top 2015 Attackman decommitted today! How long before Munro bails his son out?

That will depend entirely on the prospects of the UNC lacrosse team. Do you think the Munro kid plans on having a career outside of the lacrosse world?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many current 2016s will de-commit from UNC and reclassify to 2017? I predict the flood gates are open now and this will be a big trend and will create a ridiculous amount of competition for any remaining spots open for 2017s. Same for any current 2017 UNC commits although less pressure to reclassify to 2018. UNC just screwed the current uncommitted 2017s big time.

You'd almost have to expect that the 2017s who made their college choices as HS freshmen were making immature choices because they were so young. I think it is way broader than UNC. There are families of 2017 kids committed to Big 10 and ACC schools who are all ears for other offers and are not very subtle about it. I have privately felt for some time that parents and kids want to commit early to grab the prestige and status of being an early commit and therefore they must be better players (at least in their own minds). I have no doubt that early verbals will be divas and stay in play. This sport is a pond of scum now.

Spot on. Cesspool.

"spot on, cesspool" and "pond of scum"?? Really? These are KIDS!!!! And your disrespectful envious comments are raging of JEALOUSY about early commits. This sport is a GREAT sport played by great players. Sounds like your son cant "hang".

Relax tough guy. Talking about the recruiting process, not the boys or the sport.

Than explain yourself better.

"Then", not "Than". IVY?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[How do you know? Have you spoken to the kid or his family? Could it be that Cornell is over his head and he would rather a higher gpa at High Point? Could he want to be a teacher or police officer and thus could not justify the additional debt at Cornell? Could he not want to shovel snow before practice or play February games in Ithaca? Maybe he got an offer he couldn't refuse or maybe he fell in love with the High Point campus. Or better yet, maybe he just couldn't stand being around people like you for 4 years, not everyone wants to take over the world. Considering the kid goes to one of the toughest high schools in the country, I'd say it's fair to assume that he and his family put a lot of thought into this decision and came away with High Point being the best decision for him. I guess they should have called you first though�

Or maybe he just wants to work for a IVY grad. [/quote]

Could be High Point offers a major he is interested in, could be financial, could be the kid wants a life out of academics. I have a bunch of relatives who went to Ivy schools. Some are successful, two are chronically unemployed (one Yale, one Princeton). have no clue how to manage personal finances and always think they are too good for every job they are offered. At 40 plus still have student debt. An Ivy education not for everyone and it is not a guarantee of success, especially if you are miserable while attending. Be happy the kid left a spot for your kid! [/quote]

I'll have my kid take his chances in life with an IVY degree, You have fun chasing down a McJob for your son after he has an awesome lax bro time at Lax U.[/quote]

Thanks dude, my kid is attending a service academy. I'll take that education, life experience and opportunity over an Ivy, guess what so will most employers. [/quote]

The point of the discussion was choosing High Point over Cornell. Now you are suggesting that the service academies are better than High Point as well as the IVYs. Good luck to your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top 2015 Attackman decommitted today! How long before Munro bails his son out?

That will depend entirely on the prospects of the UNC lacrosse team. Do you think the Munro kid plans on having a career outside of the lacrosse world?

And the outlook for UNC lacrosse is even more dismal than it's pathetic past.

Can somebody please explain the concept of doing a PG year to get the kid's grades in order. If the kid hasn't had good grades through 12th grade, what difference does it make if he has a better 13th year? Does the rest of his high school academic record not count? Also, what makes anybody think that a kid's grades will improve dramatically in a PG year? There's absolutely no guarantee that will happen and if he continues to struggle academically, what happens then? Is he and the family screwed because the recruiting train for his grade has left the station?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[How do you know? Have you spoken to the kid or his family? Could it be that Cornell is over his head and he would rather a higher gpa at High Point? Could he want to be a teacher or police officer and thus could not justify the additional debt at Cornell? Could he not want to shovel snow before practice or play February games in Ithaca? Maybe he got an offer he couldn't refuse or maybe he fell in love with the High Point campus. Or better yet, maybe he just couldn't stand being around people like you for 4 years, not everyone wants to take over the world. Considering the kid goes to one of the toughest high schools in the country, I'd say it's fair to assume that he and his family put a lot of thought into this decision and came away with High Point being the best decision for him. I guess they should have called you first though�

Or maybe he just wants to work for a IVY grad.

Could be High Point offers a major he is interested in, could be financial, could be the kid wants a life out of academics. I have a bunch of relatives who went to Ivy schools. Some are successful, two are chronically unemployed (one Yale, one Princeton). have no clue how to manage personal finances and always think they are too good for every job they are offered. At 40 plus still have student debt. An Ivy education not for everyone and it is not a guarantee of success, especially if you are miserable while attending. Be happy the kid left a spot for your kid! [/quote]

I'll have my kid take his chances in life with an IVY degree, You have fun chasing down a McJob for your son after he has an awesome lax bro time at Lax U.[/quote]

Thanks dude, my kid is attending a service academy. I'll take that education, life experience and opportunity over an Ivy, guess what so will most employers. [/quote]

The point of the discussion was choosing High Point over Cornell. Now you are suggesting that the service academies are better than High Point as well as the IVYs. Good luck to your son. [/quote]

No, I was responding to "the you have fun�." I guess the IVYs don't teach reading skills.

Did anybody think that maybe the family could not afford to pay for cornell?

C

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can somebody please explain the concept of doing a PG year to get the kid's grades in order. If the kid hasn't had good grades through 12th grade, what difference does it make if he has a better 13th year? Does the rest of his high school academic record not count? Also, what makes anybody think that a kid's grades will improve dramatically in a PG year? There's absolutely no guarantee that will happen and if he continues to struggle academically, what happens then? Is he and the family screwed because the recruiting train for his grade has left the station?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can somebody please explain the concept of doing a PG year to get the kid's grades in order. If the kid hasn't had good grades through 12th grade, what difference does it make if he has a better 13th year? Does the rest of his high school academic record not count? Also, what makes anybody think that a kid's grades will improve dramatically in a PG year? There's absolutely no guarantee that will happen and if he continues to struggle academically, what happens then? Is he and the family screwed because the recruiting train for his grade has left the station?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can somebody please explain the concept of doing a PG year to get the kid's grades in order. If the kid hasn't had good grades through 12th grade, what difference does it make if he has a better 13th year? Does the rest of his high school academic record not count? Also, what makes anybody think that a kid's grades will improve dramatically in a PG year? There's absolutely no guarantee that will happen and if he continues to struggle academically, what happens then? Is he and the family screwed because the recruiting train for his grade has left the station?

College coaches just don't want young 17/18 yr old freshman. So they mature on someon else's dime and comes to them ready to roll.

If the family can't afford a private college that is the best reason to attend an Ivy if you can get through admissions. All of the Ivies have indexed tuition and most have a financial aid calculator which allows the family to put all financial inputs in the calculator and get a specific aid number back. And the aid is large for lower and lower middle income families.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anybody think that maybe the family could not afford to pay for cornell?

No. Cornell has tons of grant money available to meet the needs of low income families.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

C

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can somebody please explain the concept of doing a PG year to get the kid's grades in order. If the kid hasn't had good grades through 12th grade, what difference does it make if he has a better 13th year? Does the rest of his high school academic record not count? Also, what makes anybody think that a kid's grades will improve dramatically in a PG year? There's absolutely no guarantee that will happen and if he continues to struggle academically, what happens then? Is he and the family screwed because the recruiting train for his grade has left the station?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can somebody please explain the concept of doing a PG year to get the kid's grades in order. If the kid hasn't had good grades through 12th grade, what difference does it make if he has a better 13th year? Does the rest of his high school academic record not count? Also, what makes anybody think that a kid's grades will improve dramatically in a PG year? There's absolutely no guarantee that will happen and if he continues to struggle academically, what happens then? Is he and the family screwed because the recruiting train for his grade has left the station?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can somebody please explain the concept of doing a PG year to get the kid's grades in order. If the kid hasn't had good grades through 12th grade, what difference does it make if he has a better 13th year? Does the rest of his high school academic record not count? Also, what makes anybody think that a kid's grades will improve dramatically in a PG year? There's absolutely no guarantee that will happen and if he continues to struggle academically, what happens then? Is he and the family screwed because the recruiting train for his grade has left the station?

College coaches just don't want young 17/18 yr old freshman. So they mature on someon else's dime and comes to them ready to roll.

So then it really has nothing to do with academics and trying to improve your grades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anybody think that maybe the family could not afford to pay for cornell?

No. Cornell has tons of grant money available to meet the needs of low income families.

What a college thinks you can afford and what you actually can afford are often different. High Point may be able to offer more generous academic money to a student.
A student may be average for Cornell and get no academic money and the same student would be very above average for High Point and get significant academic money. Leaving college with zero debt verus $100-200K in debt

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anybody think that maybe the family could not afford to pay for cornell?

No. Cornell has tons of grant money available to meet the needs of low income families.

You guys really don't get it yet, but you will. Grant money and aid money are based upon your income. For most people reading this board, you will not qualify for any free money based upon need.

You may get a few lax $ and perhaps a few merit/gpa $, but for aid you need to be very poor.

Say the family can afford 10k per year and say cornell also gave 10k, that means the kid is borrowing around 40k per year.

You really think it is a good bet for a kid to start off life with 160k in student loan debt?

Then he goes out and gets a job, if he is lucky, for 50k per year and lives in your basement for the next 5 years. People need to wake up and do the math both before school and then what the likely incomve levels are after school...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anybody think that maybe the family could not afford to pay for cornell?

No. Cornell has tons of grant money available to meet the needs of low income families.

What a college thinks you can afford and what you actually can afford are often different. High Point may be able to offer more generous academic money to a student.
A student may be average for Cornell and get no academic money and the same student would be very above average for High Point and get significant academic money. Leaving college with zero debt verus $100-200K in debt

I'd rather my son (or our family) carry that debt than have a degree with no value in the marketplace. It's called an investment using leverage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anybody think that maybe the family could not afford to pay for cornell?

No. Cornell has tons of grant money available to meet the needs of low income families.

You guys really don't get it yet, but you will. Grant money and aid money are based upon your income. For most people reading this board, you will not qualify for any free money based upon need.

You may get a few lax $ and perhaps a few merit/gpa $, but for aid you need to be very poor.

Say the family can afford 10k per year and say cornell also gave 10k, that means the kid is borrowing around 40k per year.

You really think it is a good bet for a kid to start off life with 160k in student loan debt?

Then he goes out and gets a job, if he is lucky, for 50k per year and lives in your basement for the next 5 years. People need to wake up and do the math both before school and then what the likely incomve levels are after school...

It's quite common that an IVY grad is making $500k+ 10 years into their careers. The $160k will be all but forgotten about in the long run. Think bigger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anybody think that maybe the family could not afford to pay for cornell?

No. Cornell has tons of grant money available to meet the needs of low income families.

What a college thinks you can afford and what you actually can afford are often different. High Point may be able to offer more generous academic money to a student.
A student may be average for Cornell and get no academic money and the same student would be very above average for High Point and get significant academic money. Leaving college with zero debt verus $100-200K in debt

I'd rather my son (or our family) carry that debt than have a degree with no value in the marketplace. It's called an investment using leverage.

Extreme and simply not true to suggest a degree from High Pint has no value. What if your son wants to turn around and become a HS teacher/lax coach? Is that zero value? Does that career path require an Ivy League degree? Academic money to pursue an education degree at an AE, NEC, MAAC or SOCON school may have a lot of value if you want to teach. A buddy of mine studied at Cornell and is now a cop. Great job, great degree, no justification for his Ivy debt.

It all depends on your major. An Ivy is great if you are going into finance, business, computer science etc. My son's social studies teacher in high school went to Cornell and played lax there. He is making what the guy/girl at the same pay step who went to Dowling makes. Nothing wrong with that, but it shows that the Ivy degree may not be worth it in some fields.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's quite common that an IVY grad is making $500k+ 10 years into their careers. The $160k will be all but forgotten about in the long run. Think bigger.

Sure there are individual cases where Ivy grads out pace non-Ivy at a significant pace. Your numbers are extreme and fail to cover the cost of the advanced degree. Most of your Ivy grads on Wall Street who are earning seven figures have MBA's or studied a technical major not commonly found on the lacrosse roster. Also earning an extra $50K per year to live in NY is not really worth it given the high cost of living.

I'd rather earn $150K living in the Southeast than $200K living in the Northeast.

It is also quite common that an ivy grad is making $150g or less. So stop suggesting just cause you go ivy your going to be loaded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is also quite common that an ivy grad is making $150g or less. So stop suggesting just cause you go ivy your going to be loaded.

What's with all the vitriol directed at IVYs? There's a heck of a lot more right going on at that schools than not. Its a great way to go if you can get in. Nobody can say otherwise and sound like they have two brain cells to rub together. Just stop and give those institutions the respect they deserve. They've been around building generations of leaders of countries and industries since the founding of this country and they'll be doing the same until the end.

From WHARTON Site. This is an MBA with no experience... most will double to triple that within 3-5 years.
The average starting full-time salary for the Class of 2012 was $120,000. This figure accounts for all industries in which the Class of 2012 accepted full-time employment. The expected salary for a graduating Wharton MBA depends upon the industry and company in which the student secures employment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From WHARTON Site. This is an MBA with no experience... most will double to triple that within 3-5 years.
The average starting full-time salary for the Class of 2012 was $120,000. This figure accounts for all industries in which the Class of 2012 accepted full-time employment. The expected salary for a graduating Wharton MBA depends upon the industry and company in which the student secures employment.

Most laxers will require two years at Penn after their NCAA eligibility expires to get an MBA from Wharton. Undergrad/Lax at Penn is no guarantee of admission to Wharton for MBA. The $120,000 starting salary is in NY on Wall Street and is a salary you start earning at 25-26 years old, saddled with significant debt. You will have multiple rommates or live in a small/dirty studio for which you will pay more than half your take home salary. You will likely be layed off when the next financial downturn occurs. However, given the choice, I would prefer my son goes Ivy as well.

I am certainly not picking on IVY, but the jacka** picking on the kid that chose Highpoint needs to take a step back off of his high horse.

Not everyone wants or needs IVY. Most IVY don't go on to get an MBA from WHarton...and the schmuck that said that most IVY kids make $500k per year is clearly out of touch with reality.

Interview for Wall St every day and the pile is thick with IVY for entry level jobs. they don't have MBA and clearly no special skill, just another kid straddled with huge debt for the next ten years.

Let's drop the comparatives to Ivy, but consider this question:

Which would serve your son best as a job / career candidate, your in-state tuition university or High Point at $60K plus? I think that is the punch point....the economics of high education. The undeniable best of all words is a military academy degree free with service after graduation. After that it is value on a dollar. Any rational analysis of High Point comes in thumbs down except for wanting to play Division 1 sports. Middle Tennessee State has that too, would the debate rage there too if they started a D1 lax program? Absolutely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am certainly not picking on IVY, but the jacka** picking on the kid that chose Highpoint needs to take a step back off of his high horse.

Not everyone wants or needs IVY. Most IVY don't go on to get an MBA from WHarton...and the schmuck that said that most IVY kids make $500k per year is clearly out of touch with reality.

Interview for Wall St every day and the pile is thick with IVY for entry level jobs. they don't have MBA and clearly no special skill, just another kid straddled with huge debt for the next ten years.

I agree. No Ivy bashing but plenty of bashing of High Point on the last few pages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's drop the comparatives to Ivy, but consider this question:

Which would serve your son best as a job / career candidate, your in-state tuition university or High Point at $60K plus? I think that is the punch point....the economics of high education. The undeniable best of all words is a military academy degree free with service after graduation. After that it is value on a dollar. Any rational analysis of High Point comes in thumbs down except for wanting to play Division 1 sports. Middle Tennessee State has that too, would the debate rage there too if they started a D1 lax program? Absolutely.

I agree with you but there is one scenario that would make the choice to Highpoint a good one

Full ride made up of half lax money and half merit money. Then the kid goes for free and plays D-1 and get's perfect grades and then applies to the MBA program at Wharton...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is also quite common that an ivy grad is making $150g or less. So stop suggesting just cause you go ivy your going to be loaded.

What's with all the vitriol directed at IVYs? There's a heck of a lot more right going on at that schools than not. Its a great way to go if you can get in. Nobody can say otherwise and sound like they have two brain cells to rub together. Just stop and give those institutions the respect they deserve. They've been around building generations of leaders of countries and industries since the founding of this country and they'll be doing the same until the end.

Next they'll be suggesting that MIT and Stanford are also overrated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am certainly not picking on IVY, but the jacka** picking on the kid that chose Highpoint needs to take a step back off of his high horse.

Not everyone wants or needs IVY. Most IVY don't go on to get an MBA from WHarton...and the schmuck that said that most IVY kids make $500k per year is clearly out of touch with reality.

Interview for Wall St every day and the pile is thick with IVY for entry level jobs. they don't have MBA and clearly no special skill, just another kid straddled with huge debt for the next ten years.

I interview college graduates at a Wall Street firm, representing my line of business in evaluating candidates for the capital markets rotation program. Candidates will meet with someone from each LOB; equities, commodities, etc. After all candidates are seen, the LOB reps will meet to discuss each candidate and make a final hiring recommendation to human resources.

Never has the school been the deciding factor in the final decision. Never has an Ivy candidate been chosen because of that degree. In fact, an Ivy degree didn't give the candidate an edge. Instead, each candidate was evaluated on their educational achievements, finance related extracurricular activities, passion for the business, market knowledge, etc. Often, the non-Ivy candidates had a better resume and attitude. It always came down to the person and not the school.

Ensuring that your children are well rounded and motivated people is the key to their success, not the school they attend. Yes, strive for the best, always, but there are many factors that lead to success in business.

I hear the St.Ants superstars from princeton & maryland taking after their dads! $$ friars clinic anyone?? Chips of the ole block. Thank god my son never went to that $$ pit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am certainly not picking on IVY, but the jacka** picking on the kid that chose Highpoint needs to take a step back off of his high horse.

Not everyone wants or needs IVY. Most IVY don't go on to get an MBA from WHarton...and the schmuck that said that most IVY kids make $500k per year is clearly out of touch with reality.

Interview for Wall St every day and the pile is thick with IVY for entry level jobs. they don't have MBA and clearly no special skill, just another kid straddled with huge debt for the next ten years.

I interview college graduates at a Wall Street firm, representing my line of business in evaluating candidates for the capital markets rotation program. Candidates will meet with someone from each LOB; equities, commodities, etc. After all candidates are seen, the LOB reps will meet to discuss each candidate and make a final hiring recommendation to human resources.

Never has the school been the deciding factor in the final decision. Never has an Ivy candidate been chosen because of that degree. In fact, an Ivy degree didn't give the candidate an edge. Instead, each candidate was evaluated on their educational achievements, finance related extracurricular activities, passion for the business, market knowledge, etc. Often, the non-Ivy candidates had a better resume and attitude. It always came down to the person and not the school.

Ensuring that your children are well rounded and motivated people is the key to their success, not the school they attend. Yes, strive for the best, always, but there are many factors that lead to success in business.

Nice to hear some reality. Thanks for telling us how many companies in this world work. And jeez. It wasn't based on them being a starter or how many goals they shot?!.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am certainly not picking on IVY, but the jacka** picking on the kid that chose Highpoint needs to take a step back off of his high horse.

Not everyone wants or needs IVY. Most IVY don't go on to get an MBA from WHarton...and the schmuck that said that most IVY kids make $500k per year is clearly out of touch with reality.

Interview for Wall St every day and the pile is thick with IVY for entry level jobs. they don't have MBA and clearly no special skill, just another kid straddled with huge debt for the next ten years.

I interview college graduates at a Wall Street firm, representing my line of business in evaluating candidates for the capital markets rotation program. Candidates will meet with someone from each LOB; equities, commodities, etc. After all candidates are seen, the LOB reps will meet to discuss each candidate and make a final hiring recommendation to human resources.

Never has the school been the deciding factor in the final decision. Never has an Ivy candidate been chosen because of that degree. In fact, an Ivy degree didn't give the candidate an edge. Instead, each candidate was evaluated on their educational achievements, finance related extracurricular activities, passion for the business, market knowledge, etc. Often, the non-Ivy candidates had a better resume and attitude. It always came down to the person and not the school.

Ensuring that your children are well rounded and motivated people is the key to their success, not the school they attend. Yes, strive for the best, always, but there are many factors that lead to success in business.

Good lord, finally some real world factual information about Schools and Wall Street. Thank you for your eloquent insightful advice, based in fact and reality!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is also quite common that an ivy grad is making $150g or less. So stop suggesting just cause you go ivy your going to be loaded.

What's with all the vitriol directed at IVYs? There's a heck of a lot more right going on at that schools than not. Its a great way to go if you can get in. Nobody can say otherwise and sound like they have two brain cells to rub together. Just stop and give those institutions the respect they deserve. They've been around building generations of leaders of countries and industries since the founding of this country and they'll be doing the same until the end.

Uhhh, regardless of your political leanings, the current POTUS is a perfect example of the kind of "leaders" the Ivies produce. The only thing this guy is leading is the destruction of this once great country. Further, the "Ivies" stopped producing real leaders 30-40 years ago. Since, they have been extremely successful in producing "followers" of the ideology they teach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am certainly not picking on IVY, but the jacka** picking on the kid that chose Highpoint needs to take a step back off of his high horse.

Not everyone wants or needs IVY. Most IVY don't go on to get an MBA from WHarton...and the schmuck that said that most IVY kids make $500k per year is clearly out of touch with reality.

Interview for Wall St every day and the pile is thick with IVY for entry level jobs. they don't have MBA and clearly no special skill, just another kid straddled with huge debt for the next ten years.

My IVY bound will leave the institution with zero debt as it will be paid by me. That is my gift to him for all of his hard work.

The concept was to use lax as a tool to get him into the best school possible. Period.

The advantage and ball is in his court. What he does with it will remain to be seen. If I could not afford to do so; I would have directed him to take the commit offers from schools that offer but a realistic small percentage of the overall costs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am certainly not picking on IVY, but the jacka** picking on the kid that chose Highpoint needs to take a step back off of his high horse.

Not everyone wants or needs IVY. Most IVY don't go on to get an MBA from WHarton...and the schmuck that said that most IVY kids make $500k per year is clearly out of touch with reality.

Interview for Wall St every day and the pile is thick with IVY for entry level jobs. they don't have MBA and clearly no special skill, just another kid straddled with huge debt for the next ten years.

I interview college graduates at a Wall Street firm, representing my line of business in evaluating candidates for the capital markets rotation program. Candidates will meet with someone from each LOB; equities, commodities, etc. After all candidates are seen, the LOB reps will meet to discuss each candidate and make a final hiring recommendation to human resources.

Never has the school been the deciding factor in the final decision. Never has an Ivy candidate been chosen because of that degree. In fact, an Ivy degree didn't give the candidate an edge. Instead, each candidate was evaluated on their educational achievements, finance related extracurricular activities, passion for the business, market knowledge, etc. Often, the non-Ivy candidates had a better resume and attitude. It always came down to the person and not the school.

Ensuring that your children are well rounded and motivated people is the key to their success, not the school they attend. Yes, strive for the best, always, but there are many factors that lead to success in business.

Exactly how many High Point lax bros have you interviewed in the past 12 months?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am certainly not picking on IVY, but the jacka** picking on the kid that chose Highpoint needs to take a step back off of his high horse.

Not everyone wants or needs IVY. Most IVY don't go on to get an MBA from WHarton...and the schmuck that said that most IVY kids make $500k per year is clearly out of touch with reality.

Interview for Wall St every day and the pile is thick with IVY for entry level jobs. they don't have MBA and clearly no special skill, just another kid straddled with huge debt for the next ten years.

I interview college graduates at a Wall Street firm, representing my line of business in evaluating candidates for the capital markets rotation program. Candidates will meet with someone from each LOB; equities, commodities, etc. After all candidates are seen, the LOB reps will meet to discuss each candidate and make a final hiring recommendation to human resources.

Never has the school been the deciding factor in the final decision. Never has an Ivy candidate been chosen because of that degree. In fact, an Ivy degree didn't give the candidate an edge. Instead, each candidate was evaluated on their educational achievements, finance related extracurricular activities, passion for the business, market knowledge, etc. Often, the non-Ivy candidates had a better resume and attitude. It always came down to the person and not the school.

Ensuring that your children are well rounded and motivated people is the key to their success, not the school they attend. Yes, strive for the best, always, but there are many factors that lead to success in business.

Good lord, finally some real world factual information about Schools and Wall Street. Thank you for your eloquent insightful advice, based in fact and reality!

Very good associate of mine was a two time national champion IVY grad. He got into our program based on his abilities ....and...at every interview he had; the interviewer was more interested in his athletics than anything else.

We started him at 350k. That was 10 years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is also quite common that an ivy grad is making $150g or less. So stop suggesting just cause you go ivy your going to be loaded.

What's with all the vitriol directed at IVYs? There's a heck of a lot more right going on at that schools than not. Its a great way to go if you can get in. Nobody can say otherwise and sound like they have two brain cells to rub together. Just stop and give those institutions the respect they deserve. They've been around building generations of leaders of countries and industries since the founding of this country and they'll be doing the same until the end.

Uhhh, regardless of your political leanings, the current POTUS is a perfect example of the kind of "leaders" the Ivies produce. The only thing this guy is leading is the destruction of this once great country. Further, the "Ivies" stopped producing real leaders 30-40 years ago. Since, they have been extremely successful in producing "followers" of the ideology they teach.

If he's so terrible why was he elected TWICE. And why will the next female representative of his party (Yale Law School) be the next 8 year POTUS? Can more than 50% of the country be wrong for 16 years in a row? Face it, IVY grads rule the free world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am certainly not picking on IVY, but the jacka** picking on the kid that chose Highpoint needs to take a step back off of his high horse.

Not everyone wants or needs IVY. Most IVY don't go on to get an MBA from WHarton...and the schmuck that said that most IVY kids make $500k per year is clearly out of touch with reality.

Interview for Wall St every day and the pile is thick with IVY for entry level jobs. they don't have MBA and clearly no special skill, just another kid straddled with huge debt for the next ten years.

I interview college graduates at a Wall Street firm, representing my line of business in evaluating candidates for the capital markets rotation program. Candidates will meet with someone from each LOB; equities, commodities, etc. After all candidates are seen, the LOB reps will meet to discuss each candidate and make a final hiring recommendation to human resources.

Never has the school been the deciding factor in the final decision. Never has an Ivy candidate been chosen because of that degree. In fact, an Ivy degree didn't give the candidate an edge. Instead, each candidate was evaluated on their educational achievements, finance related extracurricular activities, passion for the business, market knowledge, etc. Often, the non-Ivy candidates had a better resume and attitude. It always came down to the person and not the school.

Ensuring that your children are well rounded and motivated people is the key to their success, not the school they attend. Yes, strive for the best, always, but there are many factors that lead to success in business.

Good lord, finally some real world factual information about Schools and Wall Street. Thank you for your eloquent insightful advice, based in fact and reality!

Very good associate of mine was a two time national champion IVY grad. He got into our program based on his abilities ....and...at every interview he had; the interviewer was more interested in his athletics than anything else.

We started him at 350k. That was 10 years ago.

Bam! Sign me up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is also quite common that an ivy grad is making $150g or less. So stop suggesting just cause you go ivy your going to be loaded.

What's with all the vitriol directed at IVYs? There's a heck of a lot more right going on at that schools than not. Its a great way to go if you can get in. Nobody can say otherwise and sound like they have two brain cells to rub together. Just stop and give those institutions the respect they deserve. They've been around building generations of leaders of countries and industries since the founding of this country and they'll be doing the same until the end.

Uhhh, regardless of your political leanings, the current POTUS is a perfect example of the kind of "leaders" the Ivies produce. The only thing this guy is leading is the destruction of this once great country. Further, the "Ivies" stopped producing real leaders 30-40 years ago. Since, they have been extremely successful in producing "followers" of the ideology they teach.

Hey buddy, unless you haven't been paying attention, the U.S. economy and unemployment has not been this good in 10 years. Hardly destroying this country. Sorry you've missed it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear the St.Ants superstars from princeton & maryland taking after their dads! $$ friars clinic anyone?? Chips of the ole block. Thank god my son never went to that $$ pit.

Ivy degree put to good use! GO FRIAR$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear the St.Ants superstars from princeton & maryland taking after their dads! $$ friars clinic anyone?? Chips of the ole block. Thank god my son never went to that $$ pit.

Your son couldn't get in?? Believe me we are glad you are not a parent there !!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear the St.Ants superstars from princeton & maryland taking after their dads! $$ friars clinic anyone?? Chips of the ole block. Thank god my son never went to that $$ pit.

Oh yea. Here we go. My son is a commited to a top 10 school and is going to be a MD/PhD in 4 years. We get it. Good for him...... Better tey.....we dont have to listen to you bloviate on the sidelines.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is also quite common that an ivy grad is making $150g or less. So stop suggesting just cause you go ivy your going to be loaded.

What's with all the vitriol directed at IVYs? There's a heck of a lot more right going on at that schools than not. Its a great way to go if you can get in. Nobody can say otherwise and sound like they have two brain cells to rub together. Just stop and give those institutions the respect they deserve. They've been around building generations of leaders of countries and industries since the founding of this country and they'll be doing the same until the end.

Uhhh, regardless of your political leanings, the current POTUS is a perfect example of the kind of "leaders" the Ivies produce. The only thing this guy is leading is the destruction of this once great country. Further, the "Ivies" stopped producing real leaders 30-40 years ago. Since, they have been extremely successful in producing "followers" of the ideology they teach.

Hey buddy, unless you haven't been paying attention, the U.S. economy and unemployment has not been this good in 10 years. Hardly destroying this country. Sorry you've missed it.

Wrong again donkey. 85 million people out of work, most have stop looking. They aren't counted in government unemployment numbers. Record debt, doubled in the last 6 years. Record number of people on food stamps, tripled in 6 years. A record 51% of our population receives a check from the government! Record number of illegals running wild in this country. A 100,000 illegal children dispersed into our country. 4000 on LI alone. A disaster of a government health plan that has doubled premiums. (I'll show you receipts). That same health policy has driven millions from private insurance to medicaide. Which was your guys goal all along. Our allies are disgusted with us and our enemies laugh at us. Thanks to a wholesale successful deterioration of our military. Bengazi, Ft Hood, ISIS, Fast and Furious and Ebola.... I could go on and on but it's just too easy. Fantastic IVY educated, follower in chief.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is also quite common that an ivy grad is making $150g or less. So stop suggesting just cause you go ivy your going to be loaded.

What's with all the vitriol directed at IVYs? There's a heck of a lot more right going on at that schools than not. Its a great way to go if you can get in. Nobody can say otherwise and sound like they have two brain cells to rub together. Just stop and give those institutions the respect they deserve. They've been around building generations of leaders of countries and industries since the founding of this country and they'll be doing the same until the end.

Uhhh, regardless of your political leanings, the current POTUS is a perfect example of the kind of "leaders" the Ivies produce. The only thing this guy is leading is the destruction of this once great country. Further, the "Ivies" stopped producing real leaders 30-40 years ago. Since, they have been extremely successful in producing "followers" of the ideology they teach.

Hey buddy, unless you haven't been paying attention, the U.S. economy and unemployment has not been this good in 10 years. Hardly destroying this country. Sorry you've missed it.

Wrong again donkey. 85 million people out of work, most have stop looking. They aren't counted in government unemployment numbers. Record debt, doubled in the last 6 years. Record number of people on food stamps, tripled in 6 years. A record 51% of our population receives a check from the government! Record number of illegals running wild in this country. A 100,000 illegal children dispersed into our country. 4000 on LI alone. A disaster of a government health plan that has doubled premiums. (I'll show you receipts). That same health policy has driven millions from private insurance to medicaide. Which was your guys goal all along. Our allies are disgusted with us and our enemies laugh at us. Thanks to a wholesale successful deterioration of our military. Bengazi, Ft Hood, ISIS, Fast and Furious and Ebola.... I could go on and on but it's just too easy. Fantastic IVY educated, follower in chief.

Mr glass half empty. Ebola? Really? Better brace yourself for another 8 years if not longer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is also quite common that an ivy grad is making $150g or less. So stop suggesting just cause you go ivy your going to be loaded.

What's with all the vitriol directed at IVYs? There's a heck of a lot more right going on at that schools than not. Its a great way to go if you can get in. Nobody can say otherwise and sound like they have two brain cells to rub together. Just stop and give those institutions the respect they deserve. They've been around building generations of leaders of countries and industries since the founding of this country and they'll be doing the same until the end.

Uhhh, regardless of your political leanings, the current POTUS is a perfect example of the kind of "leaders" the Ivies produce. The only thing this guy is leading is the destruction of this once great country. Further, the "Ivies" stopped producing real leaders 30-40 years ago. Since, they have been extremely successful in producing "followers" of the ideology they teach.

Hey buddy, unless you haven't been paying attention, the U.S. economy and unemployment has not been this good in 10 years. Hardly destroying this country. Sorry you've missed it.

Wrong again donkey. 85 million people out of work, most have stop looking. They aren't counted in government unemployment numbers. Record debt, doubled in the last 6 years. Record number of people on food stamps, tripled in 6 years. A record 51% of our population receives a check from the government! Record number of illegals running wild in this country. A 100,000 illegal children dispersed into our country. 4000 on LI alone. A disaster of a government health plan that has doubled premiums. (I'll show you receipts). That same health policy has driven millions from private insurance to medicaide. Which was your guys goal all along. Our allies are disgusted with us and our enemies laugh at us. Thanks to a wholesale successful deterioration of our military. Bengazi, Ft Hood, ISIS, Fast and Furious and Ebola.... I could go on and on but it's just too easy. Fantastic IVY educated, follower in chief.

Mr glass half empty. Ebola? Really? Better brace yourself for another 8 years if not longer.

Glass half empty? Is that what you call fact and truth? Figures. I only hope and pray that the very polices you support directly impact your children's future. It always takes a direct hit for folks like you to wake up. Or like most of your kind, they'll just throw in the towel and become another "Victim". Which is exactly what the "Follower in Chief wants".

Oh boy, this gonna be great!

Flounder; Animal House

Mr glass half empty. Why don't you just leave the country? How do you even cope living in one of the most liberal democratic voting states in the country? It's only going to get much worse for you and drive you even more insane than you already are. Why not just do us all a favor and make a change for yourself? Can you even stand the thought of Hillary for 8? Better than some war monger from your side, which got us into the mess that my guy has had to spend 6+ years fixing. Enjoy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is also quite common that an ivy grad is making $150g or less. So stop suggesting just cause you go ivy your going to be loaded.

What's with all the vitriol directed at IVYs? There's a heck of a lot more right going on at that schools than not. Its a great way to go if you can get in. Nobody can say otherwise and sound like they have two brain cells to rub together. Just stop and give those institutions the respect they deserve. They've been around building generations of leaders of countries and industries since the founding of this country and they'll be doing the same until the end.

Uhhh, regardless of your political leanings, the current POTUS is a perfect example of the kind of "leaders" the Ivies produce. The only thing this guy is leading is the destruction of this once great country. Further, the "Ivies" stopped producing real leaders 30-40 years ago. Since, they have been extremely successful in producing "followers" of the ideology they teach.

Hey buddy, unless you haven't been paying attention, the U.S. economy and unemployment has not been this good in 10 years. Hardly destroying this country. Sorry you've missed it.

Wrong again donkey. 85 million people out of work, most have stop looking. They aren't counted in government unemployment numbers. Record debt, doubled in the last 6 years. Record number of people on food stamps, tripled in 6 years. A record 51% of our population receives a check from the government! Record number of illegals running wild in this country. A 100,000 illegal children dispersed into our country. 4000 on LI alone. A disaster of a government health plan that has doubled premiums. (I'll show you receipts). That same health policy has driven millions from private insurance to medicaide. Which was your guys goal all along. Our allies are disgusted with us and our enemies laugh at us. Thanks to a wholesale successful deterioration of our military. Bengazi, Ft Hood, ISIS, Fast and Furious and Ebola.... I could go on and on but it's just too easy. Fantastic IVY educated, follower in chief.

Amen...unfortunately the Dems are buying votes with free phones, food stamps (which are used as currency to buy drugs, cigarettes, etc...), free healthcare (which isn't free), bring in more immigrants (more votes for Dems, and more free giveaways)...POTUS is a joke, his policies are a joke and our country is becoming a joke. What happened to the times when people strived to EARN a living, were proud of our country and our country was the leader of the free world?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is also quite common that an ivy grad is making $150g or less. So stop suggesting just cause you go ivy your going to be loaded.

What's with all the vitriol directed at IVYs? There's a heck of a lot more right going on at that schools than not. Its a great way to go if you can get in. Nobody can say otherwise and sound like they have two brain cells to rub together. Just stop and give those institutions the respect they deserve. They've been around building generations of leaders of countries and industries since the founding of this country and they'll be doing the same until the end.

Uhhh, regardless of your political leanings, the current POTUS is a perfect example of the kind of "leaders" the Ivies produce. The only thing this guy is leading is the destruction of this once great country. Further, the "Ivies" stopped producing real leaders 30-40 years ago. Since, they have been extremely successful in producing "followers" of the ideology they teach.

Hey buddy, unless you haven't been paying attention, the U.S. economy and unemployment has not been this good in 10 years. Hardly destroying this country. Sorry you've missed it.

Wrong again donkey. 85 million people out of work, most have stop looking. They aren't counted in government unemployment numbers. Record debt, doubled in the last 6 years. Record number of people on food stamps, tripled in 6 years. A record 51% of our population receives a check from the government! Record number of illegals running wild in this country. A 100,000 illegal children dispersed into our country. 4000 on LI alone. A disaster of a government health plan that has doubled premiums. (I'll show you receipts). That same health policy has driven millions from private insurance to medicaide. Which was your guys goal all along. Our allies are disgusted with us and our enemies laugh at us. Thanks to a wholesale successful deterioration of our military. Bengazi, Ft Hood, ISIS, Fast and Furious and Ebola.... I could go on and on but it's just too easy. Fantastic IVY educated, follower in chief.

Amen...unfortunately the Dems are buying votes with free phones, food stamps (which are used as currency to buy drugs, cigarettes, etc...), free healthcare (which isn't free), bring in more immigrants (more votes for Dems, and more free giveaways)...POTUS is a joke, his policies are a joke and our country is becoming a joke. What happened to the times when people strived to EARN a living, were proud of our country and our country was the leader of the free world?

Says the propaganda flyer of a dying party that may not elect another president in our lifetimes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mr glass half empty. Why don't you just leave the country? How do you even cope living in one of the most liberal democratic voting states in the country? It's only going to get much worse for you and drive you even more insane than you already are. Why not just do us all a favor and make a change for yourself? Can you even stand the thought of Hillary for 8? Better than some war monger from your side, which got us into the mess that my guy has had to spend 6+ years fixing. Enjoy.

The only thing I saw your guy fix was a curtain at a community center when he was an organizer. Thanks for being the Libtard that you are.

Reality check regarding the dying party.

State legislatures - 26 R ; 18 D ; 5 split
Governors - 29 R ; 21 D
Most pundits (even on the left) are expecting Republican to get a majority in the Senate as of Tuesday. Republicans already enjoy a commanding majority in the house.

I have to agree that the future elections may favor Democrats only because the current administration is letting people from third world countries pour over the border. Unfortunately welfare state and unfettered immigration are not sustainable so we will end up like so many failed socialist states before us. Like most Democrat policies this immigration will hurt the poor and middle class the most, and the rich will rake it in like they have since Obama took office, but hey it isn't about helping anyone but themselves (and their rich donors) so they can get reelected.

I thought this was lax board?

Take this political nonsense elsewhere.....

If lax is your kid's only way to ivy - guess what? He's labeled an academically sub par lax jock and won't and will not be capable of assimilating with the rest of academically worthy student body - you know, the students that have nearly perfect SATs and straight a's in all honor classes who are eager to excel in the classroom and are actually interesting. How sad for all you ivy chasers via lacrosse!! Believe me. I was there and everyone knew who those jocks were who otherwise didn't belong. They lived in a small athletic bubble within a huge dynamic university. So for all of you out there chasing the ivies via athletic recruitment - hope you're happy with the bumper sticker.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If lax is your kid's only way to ivy - guess what? He's labeled an academically sub par lax jock and won't and will not be capable of assimilating with the rest of academically worthy student body - you know, the students that have nearly perfect SATs and straight a's in all honor classes who are eager to excel in the classroom and are actually interesting. How sad for all you ivy chasers via lacrosse!! Believe me. I was there and everyone knew who those jocks were who otherwise didn't belong. They lived in a small athletic bubble within a huge dynamic university. So for all of you out there chasing the ivies via athletic recruitment - hope you're happy with the bumper sticker.

Please. It's a window sticker, not bumper - bumper stickers are so 70's. Please refer to prior post of 350k starting salary 10yrs ago for the IVY jock.

this conversation is so stupid. lax please, enough with ivy and political bs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If lax is your kid's only way to ivy - guess what? He's labeled an academically sub par lax jock and won't and will not be capable of assimilating with the rest of academically worthy student body - you know, the students that have nearly perfect SATs and straight a's in all honor classes who are eager to excel in the classroom and are actually interesting. How sad for all you ivy chasers via lacrosse!! Believe me. I was there and everyone knew who those jocks were who otherwise didn't belong. They lived in a small athletic bubble within a huge dynamic university. So for all of you out there chasing the ivies via athletic recruitment - hope you're happy with the bumper sticker.

Two words: academic index

Look it up. All are responsible to meet it. That ensures that the "jocks" are actually capable and ready to meet on the same academic playing field as the non athletes.

Look up the grad rate % of ivy "jocks", now compare that with your acc jock grad rates.

And it's actually a vinyl static cling window decal.

And the jock who started at 350k? He made 875 last year. Not too shabby for a jock.

We only hire IVY undergrad and grad degree associates. Athletes especially. They demonstrate the ability to not only succeed in the IVY classroom; but also the ability to hold down what amounts to a full time job wrt their athletic endeavors simultaneously. They demonstrate extreme team player qualities on and off the field.

It's a nice fraternity to belong to. The strongest of all alumni supporters.

Anything else to knock, IVY hater?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If lax is your kid's only way to ivy - guess what? He's labeled an academically sub par lax jock and won't and will not be capable of assimilating with the rest of academically worthy student body - you know, the students that have nearly perfect SATs and straight a's in all honor classes who are eager to excel in the classroom and are actually interesting. How sad for all you ivy chasers via lacrosse!! Believe me. I was there and everyone knew who those jocks were who otherwise didn't belong. They lived in a small athletic bubble within a huge dynamic university. So for all of you out there chasing the ivies via athletic recruitment - hope you're happy with the bumper sticker.

A couple points, if I may?
- as for someone who "was there"; I take it you are a fellow IVY a grad? If so; a very poor demonstration of the ability to convey your ideas in a coherent and substantiated manner on your part.

- if you were "there"; you would have noticed that there were many "sub cultures" that students migrated towards; be they based upon majors, clubs, athletics and even racial ethnicity. They all partook in the university experience in their own ways; as we continue to do in our current lives. Birds of a feather....

-labeling of other students based on their affiliations is pure bunk on your part and you may have been the one doing the labeling; which is usually done in a manner of extreme jealousy and or bias. Perhaps this is something that you continue to do evidenced upon your trivial rant noted above.

- sadly; it seems that your progeny may not be qualified for IVY Entrance in any case; as you continue to spew anti-athlete / vitriolic statements. Thus the animosity demonstrated on your part.

In closing; may I suggest a bit of counseling do address your apparent long term issues?

Have a great weekend!

You people seriously scare me...

How did / is the Quaker Fest tourney going results wise?

Turtles killing it. Big goal scorer is the 5'4" attackman committed to Cornell . Seems size isn't a factor for him!

Balt Crabs don't even belong on the same field as the Turtles.

I think I have seen enough club ball now to conclude this about the 2017s. Wow, are the Turtles great. Dukes are good and then...wow has Maryland and DC lacrosse fallen apart for this grade. Did all the good kids quit Balt Crabs and VLC or did players on those teams just stop developing? Terrible defense, awful goaltending and leaving to a few strong attackmen to save the day. Last, did the 2017 goalies have some constrained diets or not take vitamins and drink milk as kids? Jeez, some really tiny kids in the cage. Can't be that small and play goalie in college.

Why not? Some very impressive small kids out there!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why not? Some very impressive small kids out there!

At attack yes, but in the goal? Nope.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think I have seen enough club ball now to conclude this about the 2017s. Wow, are the Turtles great. Dukes are good and then...wow has Maryland and DC lacrosse fallen apart for this grade. Did all the good kids quit Balt Crabs and VLC or did players on those teams just stop developing? Terrible defense, awful goaltending and leaving to a few strong attackmen to save the day. Last, did the 2017 goalies have some constrained diets or not take vitamins and drink milk as kids? Jeez, some really tiny kids in the cage. Can't be that small and play goalie in college.

Turtles rolled today. They played really well and showed up a Dukes team made up of 2015 through 2017 uncommitted players. Crabs looked awful in game vs Turtles but heard they improved against Dukes. Looks like Big 4 Champions League in Phila next weekend is going to be good w Dukes 2017, Turtles or LI Express?, SweetLax, Mesa, Crabs going at it in a championship format.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why not? Some very impressive small kids out there!

Size means very little in lacrosse anymore. Cant really "body" guys anymore, its a speed/stick/ball movement game. We live on LI, the bulk of the 2017 kids committed here aren't HUGE. But...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtles killing it. Big goal scorer is the 5'4" attackman committed to Cornell . Seems size isn't a factor for him!

The Leatherback is the largest of the turtles while the stinkpot turtle is the smallest.

Outlaws 3-0 at Quakerfest- good wins team will be good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws 3-0 at Quakerfest- good wins team will be good

Not a great day for MD teams. The 2017 Crabs took some lumps and the VLC 2017s are a joke. What happened to them? Just horrible on defense, terrible goaltending and can't clear the ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws 3-0 at Quakerfest- good wins team will be good

Not a great day for MD teams. The 2017 Crabs took some lumps and the VLC 2017s are a joke. What happened to them? Just horrible on defense, terrible goaltending and can't clear the ball.

Hey buddy. VLC is from the DC area - not Balt. I know anything below the Verazano Bridge is all the same to you. And don't be fooled. Most of the best players were not there because they are already committed. Mid Atlantic lacrosse is just fine thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws 3-0 at Quakerfest- good wins team will be good

Not a great day for MD teams. The 2017 Crabs took some lumps and the VLC 2017s are a joke. What happened to them? Just horrible on defense, terrible goaltending and can't clear the ball.

Hey buddy. VLC is from the DC area - not Balt. I know anything below the Verazano Bridge is all the same to you. And don't be fooled. Most of the best players were not there because they are already committed. Mid Atlantic lacrosse is just fine thank you.

We're local and know better than that comment. VLC has been leaking top players for over a year to Blackwolf, MadLax, FCA and 3d. The rostered players left were all there, and they just aren't a very good team. Whatever blather on top doesn't matter. You can't replace D1 defections with the local town recreation league players and expect the same results.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws 3-0 at Quakerfest- good wins team will be good

Not a great day for MD teams. The 2017 Crabs took some lumps and the VLC 2017s are a joke. What happened to them? Just horrible on defense, terrible goaltending and can't clear the ball.

Hey buddy. VLC is from the DC area - not Balt. I know anything below the Verazano Bridge is all the same to you. And don't be fooled. Most of the best players were not there because they are already committed. Mid Atlantic lacrosse is just fine thank you.

We're local and know better than that comment. VLC has been leaking top players for over a year to Blackwolf, MadLax, FCA and 3d. The rostered players left were all there, and they just aren't a very good team. Whatever blather on top doesn't matter. You can't replace D1 defections with the local town recreation league players and expect the same results.

The local memo is don't walk but run to tryouts for any team other than VLC. Bought by the Crabs owner who does not care a lick about them except for collecting fees, the club is notorious for rostering tons of kids from one town recreation program who can't play because of the conflicts of interest from one VLC coach who coached youth and the team mom from that town who basically runs the operations of the club as a volunteer and then showcasing them equally as the kids who can play. They went from a no brainer top 3 2017 team in to can't beat anybody in a year.

The same parents who left for 3D keep saying the same lies. Both Crabs and VLC were missing a ton of kids due to injuries and some are already committed and sitting out the fall.

Not sure why you keep bringing up the "town thing" when none of the new kids come from that "town".

I don't remember hearing about too many outlaw commits
Wins in fall ball doesn't mean very much. Commitments are the goal and it doesn't seem that too many people other than the outlaw parents are impressed with the team or players Sorry

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The same parents who left for 3D keep saying the same lies. Both Crabs and VLC were missing a ton of kids due to injuries and some are already committed and sitting out the fall.

Not sure why you keep bringing up the "town thing" when none of the new kids come from that "town".

madlax. But to Madlax credit that program is getting stronger b

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The same parents who left for 3D keep saying the same lies. Both Crabs and VLC were missing a ton of kids due to injuries and some are already committed and sitting out the fall.

Not sure why you keep bringing up the "town thing" when none of the new kids come from that "town".

madlax. But to Madlax credit that program is getting stronger b

I caught the end of Madlax WestCoastStarz game. Madlax won by a goal or two, and looked really good doing it, despite being the smaller of the two teams. FWIW, they were missing their stud defender and several other players were out with injuries. It's called depth, something VLC is obviously missing.

Nobody cAres about these two mediocre DC area 2017 club teams. The last area team to win squat was the 2015 crabs. The 2017 teams in your area are not elite, so let's move on.

1. That WCS team is nowhere near the quality of WCS teams that used to fly out here.

2. The Madlax 2017 team is pretty weak. Everyone knows that.

3. Everyone has kids out with injuries, playing other sports, etc.

West coast stars has been depleted a bit by the 3D programs of which the Northern California program has become an emerging force.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

West coast stars has been depleted a bit by the 3D programs of which the Northern California program has become an emerging force.

Little over the top that Ty Xanders publishes rosters. I know these are recruiting tournaments but it isn't best to make 13,14,15,16 year olds public figures. Didn't work out for Lindsay Lohan or Danny Bonaducci so well. This world of fantasy schoolboy lacrosse is crossing some lines toward pedophilia. Boy crush write ups and tweets on pre pubes? Now I like it when coaches recruited my son, but all that happens without this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Little over the top that Ty Xanders publishes rosters. I know these are recruiting tournaments but it isn't best to make 13,14,15,16 year olds public figures. Didn't work out for Lindsay Lohan or Danny Bonaducci so well. This world of fantasy schoolboy lacrosse is crossing some lines toward pedophilia. Boy crush write ups and tweets on pre pubes? Now I like it when coaches recruited my son, but all that happens without this.

Why are you mad about this? Newsday does it. It's public knowledge. If you don't want people to know who you are, don't play. I think there is anger because Ty hasn't noticed your son. Please stop!

My son got noticed, thank you. And Newsday doesn't post youth sport rosters on a blog. If you disagree with the point, fine but I doubt parents in general appreciate this lack of discretion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Little over the top that Ty Xanders publishes rosters. I know these are recruiting tournaments but it isn't best to make 13,14,15,16 year olds public figures. Didn't work out for Lindsay Lohan or Danny Bonaducci so well. This world of fantasy schoolboy lacrosse is crossing some lines toward pedophilia. Boy crush write ups and tweets on pre pubes? Now I like it when coaches recruited my son, but all that happens without this.

I'm sure the event coordinator asked him to include in his preview. Believe it or not they're trying to help those kids get noticed by college coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son got noticed, thank you. And Newsday doesn't post youth sport rosters on a blog. If you disagree with the point, fine but I doubt parents in general appreciate this lack of discretion.

so your son got noticed, isn't even playing in this event, and your upset why?? keep trolling my friend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son got noticed, thank you. And Newsday doesn't post youth sport rosters on a blog. If you disagree with the point, fine but I doubt parents in general appreciate this lack of discretion.

Newsday and MSG both publish rosters. Adrenalin published the rosters online as well.

Ty Xanders posted those rosters because the owner of LU told him to. He works for him now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Little over the top that Ty Xanders publishes rosters. I know these are recruiting tournaments but it isn't best to make 13,14,15,16 year olds public figures. Didn't work out for Lindsay Lohan or Danny Bonaducci so well. This world of fantasy schoolboy lacrosse is crossing some lines toward pedophilia. Boy crush write ups and tweets on pre pubes? Now I like it when coaches recruited my son, but all that happens without this.

I'm sure the event coordinator asked him to include in his preview. Believe it or not they're trying to help those kids get noticed by college coaches.

Yes Ty is all about the kids, not page hits. $$$$$$$$$.
College coaches have access to rosters. The general public will not recruit anyone.

If you say he works for LU then wouldn't he have LU ads or mentions on his site?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Little over the top that Ty Xanders publishes rosters. I know these are recruiting tournaments but it isn't best to make 13,14,15,16 year olds public figures. Didn't work out for Lindsay Lohan or Danny Bonaducci so well. This world of fantasy schoolboy lacrosse is crossing some lines toward pedophilia. Boy crush write ups and tweets on pre pubes? Now I like it when coaches recruited my son, but all that happens without this.

I'm sure the event coordinator asked him to include in his preview. Believe it or not they're trying to help those kids get noticed by college coaches.

Yes Ty is all about the kids, not page hits. $$$$$$$$$.
College coaches have access to rosters. The general public will not recruit anyone.

Thank you. That is exactly the relevant point. College coaches who are recruiting these kids don't need to be checking a blog site for rosters and where the kids go to school. It is in the event programs they are provided with. My concerns for my 2017 and his club mates and for my middle school son is this has become a joke of a sport. Lacrosse is varsity social media masquerading as a sport being played on the fields. It is all fine and well to be flattered to be recruited and get an opportunity, but I think it gets phony when club ball is all about how individuals showcased selfishly rather than showing team play and lacrosse IQ. Playing lacrosse like a team and making the extra pass and smart slides didn't hurt the Turtles 2017s. I more 2017 teams would play like that. Yes, Ty Xanders is a blight on the game. That whole thing celebrates phony crap. Why NCAA coaches would even talk to him is beyond me. Kid couldn't letter in volleyball at a Maryland high school

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Little over the top that Ty Xanders publishes rosters. I know these are recruiting tournaments but it isn't best to make 13,14,15,16 year olds public figures. Didn't work out for Lindsay Lohan or Danny Bonaducci so well. This world of fantasy schoolboy lacrosse is crossing some lines toward pedophilia. Boy crush write ups and tweets on pre pubes? Now I like it when coaches recruited my son, but all that happens without this.

I'm sure the event coordinator asked him to include in his preview. Believe it or not they're trying to help those kids get noticed by college coaches.

Yes Ty is all about the kids, not page hits. $$$$$$$$$.
College coaches have access to rosters. The general public will not recruit anyone.

Thank you. That is exactly the relevant point. College coaches who are recruiting these kids don't need to be checking a blog site for rosters and where the kids go to school. It is in the event programs they are provided with. My concerns for my 2017 and his club mates and for my middle school son is this has become a joke of a sport. Lacrosse is varsity social media masquerading as a sport being played on the fields. It is all fine and well to be flattered to be recruited and get an opportunity, but I think it gets phony when club ball is all about how individuals showcased selfishly rather than showing team play and lacrosse IQ. Playing lacrosse like a team and making the extra pass and smart slides didn't hurt the Turtles 2017s. I more 2017 teams would play like that. Yes, Ty Xanders is a blight on the game. That whole thing celebrates phony crap. Why NCAA coaches would even talk to him is beyond me. Kid couldn't letter in volleyball at a Maryland high school

Who else profits? The tourney director when parents who think having Jr's name published in a roster online will help him get recruited. The club owners who have parents thrilled to see Jr's name on the internet!!!!

The college coaches will be relying on the programs they have always used. Kids now have names and info published on the web for anyone to see and who knows how they will be used? I'm not saying they will be used inappropriately, but why would anyone want their kid's name and info published? It opens the door to scams.

Weekend results??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Little over the top that Ty Xanders publishes rosters. I know these are recruiting tournaments but it isn't best to make 13,14,15,16 year olds public figures. Didn't work out for Lindsay Lohan or Danny Bonaducci so well. This world of fantasy schoolboy lacrosse is crossing some lines toward pedophilia. Boy crush write ups and tweets on pre pubes? Now I like it when coaches recruited my son, but all that happens without this.

I'm sure the event coordinator asked him to include in his preview. Believe it or not they're trying to help those kids get noticed by college coaches.

Yes Ty is all about the kids, not page hits. $$$$$$$$$.
College coaches have access to rosters. The general public will not recruit anyone.

Thank you. That is exactly the relevant point. College coaches who are recruiting these kids don't need to be checking a blog site for rosters and where the kids go to school. It is in the event programs they are provided with. My concerns for my 2017 and his club mates and for my middle school son is this has become a joke of a sport. Lacrosse is varsity social media masquerading as a sport being played on the fields. It is all fine and well to be flattered to be recruited and get an opportunity, but I think it gets phony when club ball is all about how individuals showcased selfishly rather than showing team play and lacrosse IQ. Playing lacrosse like a team and making the extra pass and smart slides didn't hurt the Turtles 2017s. I more 2017 teams would play like that. Yes, Ty Xanders is a blight on the game. That whole thing celebrates phony crap. Why NCAA coaches would even talk to him is beyond me. Kid couldn't letter in volleyball at a Maryland high school

Who else profits? The tourney director when parents who think having Jr's name published in a roster online will help him get recruited. The club owners who have parents thrilled to see Jr's name on the internet!!!!

The college coaches will be relying on the programs they have always used. Kids now have names and info published on the web for anyone to see and who knows how they will be used? I'm not saying they will be used inappropriately, but why would anyone want their kid's name and info published? It opens the door to scams.

Then don't play! Are you kidding? ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend results??

Outlaws select 8-0 Played at Quakerfest and Adrenaline ... 2 top events ... Good fall so far... Keep it up boys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Little over the top that Ty Xanders publishes rosters. I know these are recruiting tournaments but it isn't best to make 13,14,15,16 year olds public figures. Didn't work out for Lindsay Lohan or Danny Bonaducci so well. This world of fantasy schoolboy lacrosse is crossing some lines toward pedophilia. Boy crush write ups and tweets on pre pubes? Now I like it when coaches recruited my son, but all that happens without this.

I'm sure the event coordinator asked him to include in his preview. Believe it or not they're trying to help those kids get noticed by college coaches.

Yes Ty is all about the kids, not page hits. $$$$$$$$$.
College coaches have access to rosters. The general public will not recruit anyone.

Thank you. That is exactly the relevant point. College coaches who are recruiting these kids don't need to be checking a blog site for rosters and where the kids go to school. It is in the event programs they are provided with. My concerns for my 2017 and his club mates and for my middle school son is this has become a joke of a sport. Lacrosse is varsity social media masquerading as a sport being played on the fields. It is all fine and well to be flattered to be recruited and get an opportunity, but I think it gets phony when club ball is all about how individuals showcased selfishly rather than showing team play and lacrosse IQ. Playing lacrosse like a team and making the extra pass and smart slides didn't hurt the Turtles 2017s. I more 2017 teams would play like that. Yes, Ty Xanders is a blight on the game. That whole thing celebrates phony crap. Why NCAA coaches would even talk to him is beyond me. Kid couldn't letter in volleyball at a Maryland high school

Ouch! Was that Girls or Boys he couldn't letter in??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Little over the top that Ty Xanders publishes rosters. I know these are recruiting tournaments but it isn't best to make 13,14,15,16 year olds public figures. Didn't work out for Lindsay Lohan or Danny Bonaducci so well. This world of fantasy schoolboy lacrosse is crossing some lines toward pedophilia. Boy crush write ups and tweets on pre pubes? Now I like it when coaches recruited my son, but all that happens without this.

I'm sure the event coordinator asked him to include in his preview. Believe it or not they're trying to help those kids get noticed by college coaches.

Yes Ty is all about the kids, not page hits. $$$$$$$$$.
College coaches have access to rosters. The general public will not recruit anyone.

Thank you. That is exactly the relevant point. College coaches who are recruiting these kids don't need to be checking a blog site for rosters and where the kids go to school. It is in the event programs they are provided with. My concerns for my 2017 and his club mates and for my middle school son is this has become a joke of a sport. Lacrosse is varsity social media masquerading as a sport being played on the fields. It is all fine and well to be flattered to be recruited and get an opportunity, but I think it gets phony when club ball is all about how individuals showcased selfishly rather than showing team play and lacrosse IQ. Playing lacrosse like a team and making the extra pass and smart slides didn't hurt the Turtles 2017s. I more 2017 teams would play like that. Yes, Ty Xanders is a blight on the game. That whole thing celebrates phony crap. Why NCAA coaches would even talk to him is beyond me. Kid couldn't letter in volleyball at a Maryland high school

Who else profits? The tourney director when parents who think having Jr's name published in a roster online will help him get recruited. The club owners who have parents thrilled to see Jr's name on the internet!!!!

The college coaches will be relying on the programs they have always used. Kids now have names and info published on the web for anyone to see and who knows how they will be used? I'm not saying they will be used inappropriately, but why would anyone want their kid's name and info published? It opens the door to scams.

Then don't play! Are you kidding? ?

No are you kidding? One of my other kids is an actor, all the parents who think precious will get a big break from somewhere other than the usual channels end up with creeps pursuing their kid. Like Lindsey Lohan's mama, turned a nice little girl into a mess because mama wanted fame.

Maybe you can get your son a sleepover at Ty's. Too bad your kid didn't play football, I hear Penn State's coach took a special interest in certain boys. Seems like kids have been recruited for years without Ty posting names and roosters. Why start now? It is creepy. Guess you need your kids name on the internet. The THRILL!

BTW: my kid is committed, and we haven't published it anywhere. His future coach, his family and our club coaches know. His friends know. Ty does not know.

Tell me again what the advantage is? Do you think D1 coaches are trolling Ty's site for kid's names? "Ohhh Bobby Smith from Big Club got published on Ty's site BETTER snap him up!!!"

Reading this thread all night trying to decide whether you all are hysterical or just bitter. Wahhhhhh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you. That is exactly the relevant point. College coaches who are recruiting these kids don't need to be checking a blog site for rosters and where the kids go to school. It is in the event programs they are provided with. My concerns for my 2017 and his club mates and for my middle school son is this has become a joke of a sport. Lacrosse is varsity social media masquerading as a sport being played on the fields. It is all fine and well to be flattered to be recruited and get an opportunity, but I think it gets phony when club ball is all about how individuals showcased selfishly rather than showing team play and lacrosse IQ. Playing lacrosse like a team and making the extra pass and smart slides didn't hurt the Turtles 2017s. I more 2017 teams would play like that. Yes, Ty Xanders is a blight on the game. That whole thing celebrates phony crap. Why NCAA coaches would even talk to him is beyond me. Kid couldn't letter in volleyball at a Maryland high school

Well said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you. That is exactly the relevant point. College coaches who are recruiting these kids don't need to be checking a blog site for rosters and where the kids go to school. It is in the event programs they are provided with. My concerns for my 2017 and his club mates and for my middle school son is this has become a joke of a sport. Lacrosse is varsity social media masquerading as a sport being played on the fields. It is all fine and well to be flattered to be recruited and get an opportunity, but I think it gets phony when club ball is all about how individuals showcased selfishly rather than showing team play and lacrosse IQ. Playing lacrosse like a team and making the extra pass and smart slides didn't hurt the Turtles 2017s. I more 2017 teams would play like that. Yes, Ty Xanders is a blight on the game. That whole thing celebrates phony crap. Why NCAA coaches would even talk to him is beyond me. Kid couldn't letter in volleyball at a Maryland high school

Well said.

Plus a little humor at end.

No are you kidding? One of my other kids is an actor, all the parents who think precious will get a big break from somewhere other than the usual channels end up with creeps pursuing their kid. Like Lindsey Lohan's mama, turned a nice little girl into a mess because mama wanted fame.

Maybe you can get your son a sleepover at Ty's. Too bad your kid didn't play football, I hear Penn State's coach took a special interest in certain boys. Seems like kids have been recruited for years without Ty posting names and roosters. Why start now? It is creepy. Guess you need your kids name on the internet. The THRILL!

BTW: my kid is committed, and we haven't published it anywhere. His future coach, his family and our club coaches know. His friends know. Ty does not know.

Tell me again what the advantage is? Do you think D1 coaches are trolling Ty's site for kid's names? "Ohhh Bobby Smith from Big Club got published on Ty's site BETTER snap him up!!!"

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Sadly, it is not just Ty anymore. 3d rising, TopLax recruits and a host of others all put together their own "impressive" or "highlight" players lists from their own events. All of this info has really diluted the impact and value of this sort of this information. Just goes to further show the politics involved and the self serving nature of this "news" for the public.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No are you kidding? One of my other kids is an actor, all the parents who think precious will get a big break from somewhere other than the usual channels end up with creeps pursuing their kid. Like Lindsey Lohan's mama, turned a nice little girl into a mess because mama wanted fame.

Maybe you can get your son a sleepover at Ty's. Too bad your kid didn't play football, I hear Penn State's coach took a special interest in certain boys. Seems like kids have been recruited for years without Ty posting names and roosters. Why start now? It is creepy. Guess you need your kids name on the internet. The THRILL!

BTW: my kid is committed, and we haven't published it anywhere. His future coach, his family and our club coaches know. His friends know. Ty does not know.

Tell me again what the advantage is? Do you think D1 coaches are trolling Ty's site for kid's names? "Ohhh Bobby Smith from Big Club got published on Ty's site BETTER snap him up!!!"

Sadly, it is not just Ty anymore. 3d rising, TopLax recruits and a host of others all put together their own "impressive" or "highlight" players lists from their own events. All of this info has really diluted the impact and value of this sort of this information. Just goes to further show the politics involved and the self serving nature of this "news" for the public. [/quote]

What it really goes to show is how the internet age has eliminated any barriers to entry to the information business. In some cases, this is a great thing, but often it's a case of too much of a good thing. As consumers of this news, it's up to us to validate, or not, the source.

Great comment on the volume of this diluting the substance. My kid was an All-Star at session two or three or four of the IL Showcase this fall. I am not even sure which one and am certainly not sure it is a great accolade. If it was the emails or calls from our club coach would be streaming in and they are not. This whole shout out thing over Twitter and blog sites like Ty Xanders or 3d is like getting the kids and the dads in the white van for some candy and a ride.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great comment on the volume of this diluting the substance. My kid was an All-Star at session two or three or four of the IL Showcase this fall. I am not even sure which one and am certainly not sure it is a great accolade. If it was the emails or calls from our club coach would be streaming in and they are not. This whole shout out thing over Twitter and blog sites like Ty Xanders or 3d is like getting the kids and the dads in the white van for some candy and a ride.

Free puppies too. Keep in mind most of us using this site are a generation older than the guys you are chirping about and are most likely TMZ'ing the popularity of the sport. Non of it matters. The serious coaches are professional enough to make their own evaluation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No are you kidding? One of my other kids is an actor, all the parents who think precious will get a big break from somewhere other than the usual channels end up with creeps pursuing their kid. Like Lindsey Lohan's mama, turned a nice little girl into a mess because mama wanted fame.

Maybe you can get your son a sleepover at Ty's. Too bad your kid didn't play football, I hear Penn State's coach took a special interest in certain boys. Seems like kids have been recruited for years without Ty posting names and roosters. Why start now? It is creepy. Guess you need your kids name on the internet. The THRILL!

BTW: my kid is committed, and we haven't published it anywhere. His future coach, his family and our club coaches know. His friends know. Ty does not know.

Tell me again what the advantage is? Do you think D1 coaches are trolling Ty's site for kid's names? "Ohhh Bobby Smith from Big Club got published on Ty's site BETTER snap him up!!!"

Sadly, it is not just Ty anymore. 3d rising, TopLax recruits and a host of others all put together their own "impressive" or "highlight" players lists from their own events. All of this info has really diluted the impact and value of this sort of this information. Just goes to further show the politics involved and the self serving nature of this "news" for the public.

What it really goes to show is how the internet age has eliminated any barriers to entry to the information business. In some cases, this is a great thing, but often it's a case of too much of a good thing. As consumers of this news, it's up to us to validate, or not, the source.

We have brought this on ourselves. The typical lacrosse parent (myself included) does not want to be left out of the mix. Therefore when someone tweets about a great prospect or the latest D1 commit we eat it up. �What club does he play for?� �Maybe my kid should switch to that club.� �What tournament was he just in?� �What showcases did he go to?� Although your son may not be a legitimate D1 prospect (mine included) we dare not ignore any of these things for fear of missing out on an opportunity. The exposure of these well deserving players in social media helps to continue to promote the idea that if your son is not on the D1 radar somewhere, you as a parent, are not doing enough.

The truth of the matter is in most cases we are doing way too much.

How many clubs are fielding A level teams that are not really at that level? Why? Because we want our sons playing on an A team to give them the best chance for recruitment.

How many clinics do you get solicited for? Probably enough for each night of the week. Why? Because we continue to sign our sons up for them because we want to give them the best chance for recruitment.

How many prospect camps do we get invitations for? Are they legitimate invitations or money grabs? I don�t know but we send our sons just in case because we want to give them the best chance for recruitment.

How many showcases have you enrolled your son in? Why? Because we want to give them the best chance for recruitment.

If your son is a true D1 prospect, at this point you know it. You will probably continue to do these things because you are seeing results and therefore must be on the right path.

If your son is a marginal D1 prospect you will probable continue to do these things because maybe the next one puts him over the top.

If your son is not a legitimate D1 prospect, you will probably continue to do these things any way because that�s what everyone else is doing and you don�t want to be left out. (Or you do not realize he is in this category).

As a parent of a good player who probably falls into the third category it�s difficult to not buy into these things. Every player is different and each parent needs to approach this in a way that is best for their son. The frenzy that gets stirred up after each tournament or after each commitment announcement makes it more difficult.

Who ultimately benefits in the end? We all know that answer. We right their names on checks each season.

CORRECTION
We write their names on checks each season.

Nobody cares what the Outlaws do. Except the 22 Parents. Team records are done, its about High School and College.

I agree that the people that benefit the most are the names on the checks and the tournaments we go to. By the time your son is a sophomore and has not committed to a D1 program - panic sets in. I would assume if you are a legitimate D1 prospect - you know it by now. I just don't understand the D1 commits as freshman or sophomores. If you are that good - why commit? Surely you we only get better and more wanted by D1 coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you say he works for LU then wouldn't he have LU ads or mentions on his site?

Then he couldn't claim to be unbiased when writing about the amazing Turtles

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the people that benefit the most are the names on the checks and the tournaments we go to. By the time your son is a sophomore and has not committed to a D1 program - panic sets in. I would assume if you are a legitimate D1 prospect - you know it by now. I just don't understand the D1 commits as freshman or sophomores. If you are that good - why commit? Surely you we only get better and more wanted by D1 coaches.

Yes, panic sets in � fueled by all the internet hype. Parents are busy undercutting player so and so behind their backs, it really is sad, putting it on the web doesn't help. Look at this board, parents commenting that the goalie from team X isn't that good, or criticizing 14 year old kids play (or even younger players, your 5th grader sucks if he didn't make team Q. Even the top athletes have off days (ask Peyton Manning) but parents act like 14 year olds are public figures because they are named on a list of top prospects, or mentioned in a tweet by some drop-out with self-promotion skills.

You obviously do or you wouldn't waste your fingers typing about it. Don't be hater!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares what the Outlaws do. Except the 22 Parents. Team records are done, its about High School and College.

Or the 30 or so coaches that watched them all weekend,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you say he works for LU then wouldn't he have LU ads or mentions on his site?

Then he couldn't claim to be unbiased when writing about the amazing Turtles

Norm, back to the operating room bud. Sorry Leif couldn't hang with TT!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the people that benefit the most are the names on the checks and the tournaments we go to. By the time your son is a sophomore and has not committed to a D1 program - panic sets in. I would assume if you are a legitimate D1 prospect - you know it by now. I just don't understand the D1 commits as freshman or sophomores. If you are that good - why commit? Surely you we only get better and more wanted by D1 coaches.

As the sport follows the other "$$" sports; the players will commit and de-commit to "greener pastures". You are in the beginning of this; you will probably see this as your son is in their 3rd year of college.

Player from 2022 committed as freshman then by your senior year is committed somewhere else. It might be seen as early as 2020 depending on the talent pool in the sport. Those west coast and southern ballers know all about this from football.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you say he works for LU then wouldn't he have LU ads or mentions on his site?

Then he couldn't claim to be unbiased when writing about the amazing Turtles

Norm, back to the operating room bud. Sorry Leif couldn't hang with TT!

Not sure who the anonymous simpleton is who wrote this above statement, but I personally feel that the turtles are without doubt the best team in the 2017 class nationally period. NONE OF THIS DRIVEL regarding above ^ is by me and can be verified by ISP search by the moderator if he cares to.

Never had a bad word to say about those great players and was glad my son had the opportunity to play and learn from their coaches. He made many friends with those kids and is still tight with all of them. There was never a matter of him not being able to "hang" with the turtles. His abilities and subsequent commitment confirms his ability to "hang" anywhere he cares to. There was just not a good fit with that program and that is that. My hat is off to all of their accomplishments and I stand along with many others and offer my congrats to a great program and team. Bravo.

Now since I was dragged into this melee by yet another keyboard ninja; let me say that it should be no mystery as to where I or any one of thousands stand on the subject of the "writer without credentials".
There has been enough stated about that subject and the lax world should move on. There are as many opinions about him and his questionable alliances and motives as there are lax players; yet the "writer" had ZERO impact on my son as he was off of the available players to commit board as of last February, far before the "writer" even chanced a thought at the 2017 class and their abilities.

Please; if you are man enough to bring about a child's name and mine into this public domain; then be man enough to sign your name after your inane and inflammatory remarks. It would be the right thing to do; however I feel that your cowardness and need to hide behind your ninja keyboard anonymously will not change. If you care to "man up" it would be a step forward in your ability to act as an adult and a man.

Care to step forward and identify yourself ?? I think not. Continue to be spineless; its in your best interest.

Thank you

Norm

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you say he works for LU then wouldn't he have LU ads or mentions on his site?

Then he couldn't claim to be unbiased when writing about the amazing Turtles

Norm, back to the operating room bud. Sorry Leif couldn't hang with TT!

Not sure who the anonymous simpleton is who wrote this above statement, but I personally feel that the turtles are without doubt the best team in the 2017 class nationally period. NONE OF THIS DRIVEL regarding above ^ is by me and can be verified by ISP search by the moderator if he cares to.

Never had a bad word to say about those great players and was glad my son had the opportunity to play and learn from their coaches. He made many friends with those kids and is still tight with all of them. There was never a matter of him not being able to "hang" with the turtles. His abilities and subsequent commitment confirms his ability to "hang" anywhere he cares to. There was just not a good fit with that program and that is that. My hat is off to all of their accomplishments and I stand along with many others and offer my congrats to a great program and team. Bravo.

Now since I was dragged into this melee by yet another keyboard ninja; let me say that it should be no mystery as to where I or any one of thousands stand on the subject of the "writer without credentials".
There has been enough stated about that subject and the lax world should move on. There are as many opinions about him and his questionable alliances and motives as there are lax players; yet the "writer" had ZERO impact on my son as he was off of the available players to commit board as of last February, far before the "writer" even chanced a thought at the 2017 class and their abilities.

Please; if you are man enough to bring about a child's name and mine into this public domain; then be man enough to sign your name after your inane and inflammatory remarks. It would be the right thing to do; however I feel that your cowardness and need to hide behind your ninja keyboard anonymously will not change. If you care to "man up" it would be a step forward in your ability to act as an adult and a man.

Care to step forward and identify yourself ?? I think not. Continue to be spineless; its in your best interest.

Thank you

Norm

If the Turtles are so great, why did they stop playing up? 2017 is a weak talent year. Don't recall many of them excelling on their varsity teams for that matter either.

Norm for President. www.normforpresident.com.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Turtles are so great, why did they stop playing up? 2017 is a weak talent year. Don't recall many of them excelling on their varsity teams for that matter either.

You're wrong a few have excelled on their varsity teams including Laviano who has been starting for a strong Cold Spring Harbor varsity since 8th grade. He had a great weekend with the Turtles this past weekend too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you say he works for LU then wouldn't he have LU ads or mentions on his site?

Then he couldn't claim to be unbiased when writing about the amazing Turtles

Norm, back to the operating room bud. Sorry Leif couldn't hang with TT!

Not sure who the anonymous simpleton is who wrote this above statement, but I personally feel that the turtles are without doubt the best team in the 2017 class nationally period. NONE OF THIS DRIVEL regarding above ^ is by me and can be verified by ISP search by the moderator if he cares to.

Never had a bad word to say about those great players and was glad my son had the opportunity to play and learn from their coaches. He made many friends with those kids and is still tight with all of them. There was never a matter of him not being able to "hang" with the turtles. His abilities and subsequent commitment confirms his ability to "hang" anywhere he cares to. There was just not a good fit with that program and that is that. My hat is off to all of their accomplishments and I stand along with many others and offer my congrats to a great program and team. Bravo.

Now since I was dragged into this melee by yet another keyboard ninja; let me say that it should be no mystery as to where I or any one of thousands stand on the subject of the "writer without credentials".
There has been enough stated about that subject and the lax world should move on. There are as many opinions about him and his questionable alliances and motives as there are lax players; yet the "writer" had ZERO impact on my son as he was off of the available players to commit board as of last February, far before the "writer" even chanced a thought at the 2017 class and their abilities.

Please; if you are man enough to bring about a child's name and mine into this public domain; then be man enough to sign your name after your inane and inflammatory remarks. It would be the right thing to do; however I feel that your cowardness and need to hide behind your ninja keyboard anonymously will not change. If you care to "man up" it would be a step forward in your ability to act as an adult and a man.

Care to step forward and identify yourself ?? I think not. Continue to be spineless; its in your best interest.

Thank you

Norm

If the Turtles are so great, why did they stop playing up? 2017 is a weak talent year. Don't recall many of them excelling on their varsity teams for that matter either.

So thats what you get from a man who comes on this site to protect his and his sons name...a stab at the turtles who you obviously despise and discount the D1 coaches that recruited the individuals on that team...wow you are not worth the bandwidth for this reply. Go back to your hole

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If the Turtles are so great, why did they stop playing up? 2017 is a weak talent year. Don't recall many of them excelling on their varsity teams for that matter either. [/quote]

How many other teams have the amount of D1 commits as the Turtles? It's really pretty impressive especially 3 to Hopkins from 1 travel team as well as 5 Defensman to D1 from 1 team.

It's a wonder they aren't all committed yet

The Turtle verbals are very impressive, might be the best for one travel team ever. My Son doesn't play with them, but you have to be impressed. It's really insane when you look at it. I'm sure still more to come.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you say he works for LU then wouldn't he have LU ads or mentions on his site?

Then he couldn't claim to be unbiased when writing about the amazing Turtles

Norm, back to the operating room bud. Sorry Leif couldn't hang with TT!

Couldn't hang with the TT?? You are a complete idiot. Trashing a kid who is committed to UPenn as a freshman. And before you go there I am not related to the kid at all.

Wow, I mean even if I wanted to trash the Turtles, where would I begin? They mopped the floor with my son's team and his team is one of the short list clubs going to the best tournaments. I have watched Turtles absolutely destroy Crabs, Dukes, etc. There isn't such a thing as a club team with 25 high level D1 kids on it. If there ever was, it would last about a day because elite kids aren't going to be practice players on one club when they could be stars and develop on the field with another. Maybe Norm - whoever that is - wanted for his son to play on a club featuring him more in the lineup rather than being in a crowd of 5 great players at the same position with one ball on Turtles. Doesn't sound like it went badly for the kid either, so best of luck. The bottom line is the 2017 Turtles are the type of team we won't be seeing again soon given lacrosse and clubs numbers have blown up and spread out so much.

Yeesh, why is anyone allowed to mention specific kids on a monitored board? A sophomore is not a public figure.

I feel sorry for the poster's son, his dad must be a joy to live with if he considers it fair game to call out a kid who is obviously more talented than 99.9% of kids his age. There are many reasons to leave a club, it is not your business.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, I mean even if I wanted to trash the Turtles, where would I begin? They mopped the floor with my son's team and his team is one of the short list clubs going to the best tournaments. I have watched Turtles absolutely destroy Crabs, Dukes, etc. There isn't such a thing as a club team with 25 high level D1 kids on it. If there ever was, it would last about a day because elite kids aren't going to be practice players on one club when they could be stars and develop on the field with another. Maybe Norm - whoever that is - wanted for his son to play on a club featuring him more in the lineup rather than being in a crowd of 5 great players at the same position with one ball on Turtles. Doesn't sound like it went badly for the kid either, so best of luck. The bottom line is the 2017 Turtles are the type of team we won't be seeing again soon given lacrosse and clubs numbers have blown up and spread out so much.

91 Crush 2020, never been beaten in the age group, Nuff said!

Welcome aboard 7th grade Team 91 dad. Again, wow. I guess we are all to blame too. It is completely unacceptable to make kids at these ages public figures. It goes back to the posts about the Ty Xanders or Casey Vock/3d boy crush blogs and twitter publishings. Now a 2017 Turtle being named and criticized and another Turtle by name who played 8th grade varsity being named and pumped on another side. Jesus, should all club lacrosse dads be told to stay more than 200 yards away from public schools next? Creepy. I have an exceptional sensitivity to this because once our house was robbed and one of the goods was our paper files...we didn't think much of that until a year later I was called as a witness in an insurance scam involving stolen kid's personal, medical and other data in another state. Some scumbag was using his kid with ID's posing him as other kids to scam insurance companies with a local scumbag doctor. Wound up on CNN. Consider a nice big chunk of your family privacy and that of your sons is being distributed into the direct consumption of anyone. Scammers don't go to lacrosse tournaments and get the programs coaches get to know who your kid is for recruiting, they are fast and brutal and get it on Internet to use up and leave behind fast. Consider that when your son's name, school and other get a shout out and stoke a fire to make him a public figure when he is 13-14 years old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, I mean even if I wanted to trash the Turtles, where would I begin? They mopped the floor with my son's team and his team is one of the short list clubs going to the best tournaments. I have watched Turtles absolutely destroy Crabs, Dukes, etc. There isn't such a thing as a club team with 25 high level D1 kids on it. If there ever was, it would last about a day because elite kids aren't going to be practice players on one club when they could be stars and develop on the field with another. Maybe Norm - whoever that is - wanted for his son to play on a club featuring him more in the lineup rather than being in a crowd of 5 great players at the same position with one ball on Turtles. Doesn't sound like it went badly for the kid either, so best of luck. The bottom line is the 2017 Turtles are the type of team we won't be seeing again soon given lacrosse and clubs numbers have blown up and spread out so much.

91 Crush 2020, never been beaten in the age group, Nuff said!

lets see them get through the reclassified years (8th-9th) before the crowning. The top programs will have teams the same age as 91 squad at that point.
Then lets see if you can keep the kids together. Remember only a handful from each team get maverik invites so many kids will have to go to other programs to get invites. (i'm sure JM has explained that)
Then some parents will move their kids to get them more exposure than riding the bench on that team.
fun fun

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, I mean even if I wanted to trash the Turtles, where would I begin? They mopped the floor with my son's team and his team is one of the short list clubs going to the best tournaments. I have watched Turtles absolutely destroy Crabs, Dukes, etc. There isn't such a thing as a club team with 25 high level D1 kids on it. If there ever was, it would last about a day because elite kids aren't going to be practice players on one club when they could be stars and develop on the field with another. Maybe Norm - whoever that is - wanted for his son to play on a club featuring him more in the lineup rather than being in a crowd of 5 great players at the same position with one ball on Turtles. Doesn't sound like it went badly for the kid either, so best of luck. The bottom line is the 2017 Turtles are the type of team we won't be seeing again soon given lacrosse and clubs numbers have blown up and spread out so much.

91 Crush 2020, never been beaten in the age group, Nuff said!

lets see them get through the reclassified years (8th-9th) before the crowning. The top programs will have teams the same age as 91 squad at that point.
Then lets see if you can keep the kids together. Remember only a handful from each team get maverik invites so many kids will have to go to other programs to get invites. (i'm sure JM has explained that)
Then some parents will move their kids to get them more exposure than riding the bench on that team.
fun fun

I dont buy the invite thing as a deal breaker because if the kid belongs to a strong hs program, those coaches get a few invites as well.I also think the reclass thing won't be that big a deal since crush has been playing up a grade for a while and doing very well. But you are right, a lot can change, and only time will tell!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, I mean even if I wanted to trash the Turtles, where would I begin? They mopped the floor with my son's team and his team is one of the short list clubs going to the best tournaments. I have watched Turtles absolutely destroy Crabs, Dukes, etc. There isn't such a thing as a club team with 25 high level D1 kids on it. If there ever was, it would last about a day because elite kids aren't going to be practice players on one club when they could be stars and develop on the field with another. Maybe Norm - whoever that is - wanted for his son to play on a club featuring him more in the lineup rather than being in a crowd of 5 great players at the same position with one ball on Turtles. Doesn't sound like it went badly for the kid either, so best of luck. The bottom line is the 2017 Turtles are the type of team we won't be seeing again soon given lacrosse and clubs numbers have blown up and spread out so much.

91 Crush 2020, never been beaten in the age group, Nuff said!

Give it time...bound to blow up with too many nut job parents with monster egos carrying the grey and orange water. Give it time. No go get your shine box and head to the 2020 thread

That invites comment brings back some memories...on our DMV area club only about 25 families out of 25 rostered kids felt deserving of the 2-3 invites to JR or Maverik. Then again, the club was at fault for pumping up that they get these invites to attract the families. The circle of life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, I mean even if I wanted to trash the Turtles, where would I begin? They mopped the floor with my son's team and his team is one of the short list clubs going to the best tournaments. I have watched Turtles absolutely destroy Crabs, Dukes, etc. There isn't such a thing as a club team with 25 high level D1 kids on it. If there ever was, it would last about a day because elite kids aren't going to be practice players on one club when they could be stars and develop on the field with another. Maybe Norm - whoever that is - wanted for his son to play on a club featuring him more in the lineup rather than being in a crowd of 5 great players at the same position with one ball on Turtles. Doesn't sound like it went badly for the kid either, so best of luck. The bottom line is the 2017 Turtles are the type of team we won't be seeing again soon given lacrosse and clubs numbers have blown up and spread out so much.

91 Crush 2020, never been beaten in the age group, Nuff said!

lets see them get through the reclassified years (8th-9th) before the crowning. The top programs will have teams the same age as 91 squad at that point.
Then lets see if you can keep the kids together. Remember only a handful from each team get maverik invites so many kids will have to go to other programs to get invites. (i'm sure JM has explained that)
Then some parents will move their kids to get them more exposure than riding the bench on that team.
fun fun

I dont buy the invite thing as a deal breaker because if the kid belongs to a strong hs program, those coaches get a few invites as well.I also think the reclass thing won't be that big a deal since crush has been playing up a grade for a while and doing very well. But you are right, a lot can change, and only time will tell!

And Turtles are a much more balanced team, everyone knows that Crush is about 3-4 kids, and they will surely get the college looks but most others are role players that will go unnoticed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, I mean even if I wanted to trash the Turtles, where would I begin? They mopped the floor with my son's team and his team is one of the short list clubs going to the best tournaments. I have watched Turtles absolutely destroy Crabs, Dukes, etc. There isn't such a thing as a club team with 25 high level D1 kids on it. If there ever was, it would last about a day because elite kids aren't going to be practice players on one club when they could be stars and develop on the field with another. Maybe Norm - whoever that is - wanted for his son to play on a club featuring him more in the lineup rather than being in a crowd of 5 great players at the same position with one ball on Turtles. Doesn't sound like it went badly for the kid either, so best of luck. The bottom line is the 2017 Turtles are the type of team we won't be seeing again soon given lacrosse and clubs numbers have blown up and spread out so much.

91 Crush 2020, never been beaten in the age group, Nuff said!

lets see them get through the reclassified years (8th-9th) before the crowning. The top programs will have teams the same age as 91 squad at that point.
Then lets see if you can keep the kids together. Remember only a handful from each team get maverik invites so many kids will have to go to other programs to get invites. (i'm sure JM has explained that)
Then some parents will move their kids to get them more exposure than riding the bench on that team.
fun fun

I dont buy the invite thing as a deal breaker because if the kid belongs to a strong hs program, those coaches get a few invites as well.I also think the reclass thing won't be that big a deal since crush has been playing up a grade for a while and doing very well. But you are right, a lot can change, and only time will tell!

Let's see how they do playing up a grade now that the grade above will have kids hitting puberty along with some re-class kids even further into puberty - good luck 91 7th grade dad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, I mean even if I wanted to trash the Turtles, where would I begin? They mopped the floor with my son's team and his team is one of the short list clubs going to the best tournaments. I have watched Turtles absolutely destroy Crabs, Dukes, etc. There isn't such a thing as a club team with 25 high level D1 kids on it. If there ever was, it would last about a day because elite kids aren't going to be practice players on one club when they could be stars and develop on the field with another. Maybe Norm - whoever that is - wanted for his son to play on a club featuring him more in the lineup rather than being in a crowd of 5 great players at the same position with one ball on Turtles. Doesn't sound like it went badly for the kid either, so best of luck. The bottom line is the 2017 Turtles are the type of team we won't be seeing again soon given lacrosse and clubs numbers have blown up and spread out so much.

91 Crush 2020, never been beaten in the age group, Nuff said!

lets see them get through the reclassified years (8th-9th) before the crowning. The top programs will have teams the same age as 91 squad at that point.
Then lets see if you can keep the kids together. Remember only a handful from each team get maverik invites so many kids will have to go to other programs to get invites. (i'm sure JM has explained that)
Then some parents will move their kids to get them more exposure than riding the bench on that team.
fun fun

I dont buy the invite thing as a deal breaker because if the kid belongs to a strong hs program, those coaches get a few invites as well.I also think the reclass thing won't be that big a deal since crush has been playing up a grade for a while and doing very well. But you are right, a lot can change, and only time will tell!

And Turtles are a much more balanced team, everyone knows that Crush is about 3-4 kids, and they will surely get the college looks but most others are role players that will go unnoticed.

Haha, that's funny! Jealous much?

Can someone put up a list of the Turtles DI verbals so far?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone put up a list of the Turtles DI verbals so far?

Turtles
Maryland
Hopkins x 3
Harvard x2
Fairfield x2
Uva
Cornell
Bucknell
UNC

91
Bucknell
Duke x2
Upenn x2
Yale
Notre dame
BU
Michigan x2
Georgetown
Fairfield

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone put up a list of the Turtles DI verbals so far?

Go to there web site they are listed on the roster page with each player. That list doesn't include at least one player that left and came back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone put up a list of the Turtles DI verbals so far?

Turtles
Maryland
Hopkins x 3
Harvard x2
Fairfield x2
Uva
Cornell
Bucknell
UNC

91
Bucknell
Duke x2
Upenn x2
Yale
Notre dame
BU
Michigan x2
Georgetown
Fairfield

Impressive commit list for both teams. No skin in the game - just curious - what is the record between Turtles and 91?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone put up a list of the Turtles DI verbals so far?

Turtles
Maryland
Hopkins x 3
Harvard x2
Fairfield x2
Uva
Cornell
Bucknell
UNC

91
Bucknell
Duke x2
Upenn x2
Yale
Notre dame
BU
Michigan x2
Georgetown
Fairfield

Add a UPenn to turtles!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone put up a list of the Turtles DI verbals so far?

Turtles
Maryland
Hopkins x 3
Harvard x2
Fairfield x2
Uva
Cornell
Bucknell
UNC

91
Bucknell
Duke x2
Upenn x2
Yale
Notre dame
BU
Michigan x2
Georgetown
Fairfield

Add a UPenn to turtles!

and a Michigan to turtles !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone put up a list of the Turtles DI verbals so far?

Turtles
Maryland
Hopkins x 3
Harvard x2
Fairfield x2
Uva
Cornell
Bucknell
UNC

91
Bucknell
Duke x2
Upenn x2
Yale
Notre dame
BU
Michigan x2
Georgetown
Fairfield

Impressive commit list for both teams. No skin in the game - just curious - what is the record between Turtles and 91?

Never played but would be heavy in favor of TT. Just the way it is. Too many great kids playing for many years together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Never played but would be heavy in favor of TT. Just the way it is. Too many great kids playing for many years together.

that is a sad statement that these two outstanding teams with so many great players never have met on the field

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone put up a list of the Turtles DI verbals so far?

Turtles
Maryland
Hopkins x 3
Harvard x2
Fairfield x2
Uva
Cornell
Bucknell
UNC

91
Bucknell
Duke x2
Upenn x2
Yale
Notre dame
BU
Michigan x2
Georgetown
Fairfield

Impressive commit list for both teams. No skin in the game - just curious - what is the record between Turtles and 91?

Never played but would be heavy in favor of TT. Just the way it is. Too many great kids playing for many years together.

Funny how no turtles made to Duke, one of the top schools in the country with by far the best lacrosse program. Kids too small maybe? Just because a team performs well together does mean they will excell individually!

How does it go for the public count of Ivies? Some seem to be ok with the list, others no

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone put up a list of the Turtles DI verbals so far?

Turtles
Maryland
Hopkins x 3
Harvard x2
Fairfield x2
Uva
Cornell
Bucknell
UNC

91
Bucknell
Duke x2
Upenn x2
Yale
Notre dame
BU
Michigan x2
Georgetown
Fairfield

Impressive commit list for both teams. No skin in the game - just curious - what is the record between Turtles and 91?

Never played but would be heavy in favor of TT. Just the way it is. Too many great kids playing for many years together.

Funny how no turtles made to Duke, one of the top schools in the country with by far the best lacrosse program. Kids too small maybe? Just because a team performs well together does mean they will excell individually!

Maybe ask yourself if you'd take one of the offers from an IVY over Duke? Is that a funny question?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone put up a list of the Turtles DI verbals so far?

Turtles
Maryland
Hopkins x 3
Harvard x2
Fairfield x2
Uva
Cornell
Bucknell
UNC

91
Bucknell
Duke x2
Upenn x2
Yale
Notre dame
BU
Michigan x2
Georgetown
Fairfield

Impressive commit list for both teams. No skin in the game - just curious - what is the record between Turtles and 91?

Never played but would be heavy in favor of TT. Just the way it is. Too many great kids playing for many years together.

Funny how no turtles made to Duke, one of the top schools in the country with by far the best lacrosse program. Kids too small maybe? Just because a team performs well together does mean they will excell individually!

I think you are missing the point - the poster was saying that there may never be a TEAM as good as the Turtles again.

I am certain as sure as this is Tuesday that a number of the Turtles were pursued by Duke. Kids from that program went to comparable programs and also some very good schools. I actually think the Duke 2017 class has some very weak commits...kids who suddenly were ranked on lists for having committed to Duke. I also find it curious that 91 has about a dozen or so commits on a team that lost every game at the Crabs tournament and lost to some regional 3d teams at the fl$ tournament. If Duke used 2 of its bullets on a club team that can't beat other middling club teams, that may say a negative for Duke's recruiting more that a negative on the Turtles kids. Just my opinion, and I am a Maryland guy. No dog in the LI fight over the clubs being better...just plain fact that the Turtles kids are unreal and that team deserved a lot of high level program placements.

A better question is isn't it funny how Duke couldn't get a Turtle committed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone put up a list of the Turtles DI verbals so far?

Turtles
Maryland
Hopkins x 3
Harvard x2
Fairfield x2
Uva
Cornell
Bucknell
UNC

91
Bucknell
Duke x2
Upenn x2
Yale
Notre dame
BU
Michigan x2
Georgetown
Fairfield

Add a UPenn to turtles!

and a Michigan to turtles !

Isnt one committed to Loyola as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, I mean even if I wanted to trash the Turtles, where would I begin? They mopped the floor with my son's team and his team is one of the short list clubs going to the best tournaments. I have watched Turtles absolutely destroy Crabs, Dukes, etc. There isn't such a thing as a club team with 25 high level D1 kids on it. If there ever was, it would last about a day because elite kids aren't going to be practice players on one club when they could be stars and develop on the field with another. Maybe Norm - whoever that is - wanted for his son to play on a club featuring him more in the lineup rather than being in a crowd of 5 great players at the same position with one ball on Turtles. Doesn't sound like it went badly for the kid either, so best of luck. The bottom line is the 2017 Turtles are the type of team we won't be seeing again soon given lacrosse and clubs numbers have blown up and spread out so much.

91 Crush 2020, never been beaten in the age group, Nuff said!

How many holdbacks or reclassified on Crush?

Team 91 2017 Orange hasn't beaten any of the best teams. Actually last summer they got hammered in most tournaments they played. I'm shocked they have so many D1 commits because I've seen them play numerous times and they never once impressed me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am certain as sure as this is Tuesday that a number of the Turtles were pursued by Duke. Kids from that program went to comparable programs and also some very good schools. I actually think the Duke 2017 class has some very weak commits...kids who suddenly were ranked on lists for having committed to Duke. I also find it curious that 91 has about a dozen or so commits on a team that lost every game at the Crabs tournament and lost to some regional 3d teams at the fl$ tournament. If Duke used 2 of its bullets on a club team that can't beat other middling club teams, that may say a negative for Duke's recruiting more that a negative on the Turtles kids. Just my opinion, and I am a Maryland guy. No dog in the LI fight over the clubs being better...just plain fact that the Turtles kids are unreal and that team deserved a lot of high level program placements.

A better question is isn't it funny how Duke couldn't get a Turtle committed.

Re the 91 aspect of your question: these guys have only been playing together for one season with never the same team on the field twice due to other commitments by players but they absolutely blew up the showcases they were in.

Re the turtles aspect: no doubt many were prob approached by Duke. Perhaps they had other ideas on what was good fit for them and not what was a good fit for Duke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone put up a list of the Turtles DI verbals so far?

Turtles
Maryland
Hopkins x 3
Harvard x2
Fairfield x2
Uva
Cornell
Bucknell
UNC

91
Bucknell
Duke x2
Upenn x2
Yale
Notre dame
BU
Michigan x2
Georgetown
Fairfield

Add a UPenn to turtles!

and a Michigan to turtles !

Isnt one committed to Loyola as well

Yup!
Forgot about that one!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am certain as sure as this is Tuesday that a number of the Turtles were pursued by Duke. Kids from that program went to comparable programs and also some very good schools. I actually think the Duke 2017 class has some very weak commits...kids who suddenly were ranked on lists for having committed to Duke. I also find it curious that 91 has about a dozen or so commits on a team that lost every game at the Crabs tournament and lost to some regional 3d teams at the fl$ tournament. If Duke used 2 of its bullets on a club team that can't beat other middling club teams, that may say a negative for Duke's recruiting more that a negative on the Turtles kids. Just my opinion, and I am a Maryland guy. No dog in the LI fight over the clubs being better...just plain fact that the Turtles kids are unreal and that team deserved a lot of high level program placements.

A better question is isn't it funny how Duke couldn't get a Turtle committed.

Turtles were not wanted by Duke, or they would have committed. Not to many Turtles going to schools of Duke's caliber except for the ivy commits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone put up a list of the Turtles DI verbals so far?

Turtles
Maryland
Hopkins x 3
Harvard x2
Fairfield x2
Uva
Cornell
Bucknell
UNC

91
Bucknell
Duke x2
Upenn x2
Yale
Notre dame
BU
Michigan x2
Georgetown
Fairfield

Add a UPenn to turtles!

and a Michigan to turtles !

Isnt one committed to Loyola as well

Yup!
Forgot about that one!

Turtles has duke commit

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am certain as sure as this is Tuesday that a number of the Turtles were pursued by Duke. Kids from that program went to comparable programs and also some very good schools. I actually think the Duke 2017 class has some very weak commits...kids who suddenly were ranked on lists for having committed to Duke. I also find it curious that 91 has about a dozen or so commits on a team that lost every game at the Crabs tournament and lost to some regional 3d teams at the fl$ tournament. If Duke used 2 of its bullets on a club team that can't beat other middling club teams, that may say a negative for Duke's recruiting more that a negative on the Turtles kids. Just my opinion, and I am a Maryland guy. No dog in the LI fight over the clubs being better...just plain fact that the Turtles kids are unreal and that team deserved a lot of high level program placements.

A better question is isn't it funny how Duke couldn't get a Turtle committed.

Turtles were not wanted by Duke, or they would have committed. Not to many Turtles going to schools of Duke's caliber except for the ivy commits.

Not true. A turtle is going to duke

So glad there are so many qualified posters on here espousing doctrine of what constitutes a "good" recruit and which schools should be interested, etc, etc. TX could learn a few things from the crowd here.

Ha! Ha!

91 has better quality commits than the Turtles. Bottom line

School is about fit, for the kid and price for the family. Perhaps 50% at MD or Michigan is better than 50% at Duke...Wake up and smell the coffee.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am certain as sure as this is Tuesday that a number of the Turtles were pursued by Duke. Kids from that program went to comparable programs and also some very good schools. I actually think the Duke 2017 class has some very weak commits...kids who suddenly were ranked on lists for having committed to Duke. I also find it curious that 91 has about a dozen or so commits on a team that lost every game at the Crabs tournament and lost to some regional 3d teams at the fl$ tournament. If Duke used 2 of its bullets on a club team that can't beat other middling club teams, that may say a negative for Duke's recruiting more that a negative on the Turtles kids. Just my opinion, and I am a Maryland guy. No dog in the LI fight over the clubs being better...just plain fact that the Turtles kids are unreal and that team deserved a lot of high level program placements.

A better question is isn't it funny how Duke couldn't get a Turtle committed.

Turtles were not wanted by Duke, or they would have committed. Not to many Turtles going to schools of Duke's caliber except for the ivy commits.

You simply have NO idea what your talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 has better quality commits than the Turtles. Bottom line

That is such a rediculess statement and clearly meant to fan flames on a fire you would like to see started but no one here is going to take the hook, troll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am certain as sure as this is Tuesday that a number of the Turtles were pursued by Duke. Kids from that program went to comparable programs and also some very good schools. I actually think the Duke 2017 class has some very weak commits...kids who suddenly were ranked on lists for having committed to Duke. I also find it curious that 91 has about a dozen or so commits on a team that lost every game at the Crabs tournament and lost to some regional 3d teams at the fl$ tournament. If Duke used 2 of its bullets on a club team that can't beat other middling club teams, that may say a negative for Duke's recruiting more that a negative on the Turtles kids. Just my opinion, and I am a Maryland guy. No dog in the LI fight over the clubs being better...just plain fact that the Turtles kids are unreal and that team deserved a lot of high level program placements.

A better question is isn't it funny how Duke couldn't get a Turtle committed.

Turtles were not wanted by Duke, or they would have committed. Not to many Turtles going to schools of Duke's caliber except for the ivy commits.

Not true. A turtle is going to duke

Which one?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 has better quality commits than the Turtles. Bottom line

And yet they lose games to crappy teams at Crabfeast and at fl$ in 3d. Last I checked Turtles have not lost a game in a couple years and has played very few competitive games. That is straight up wrong. If there are a dozen high level commits on 91, including two Dukes, then those programs made about 10 recruiting mistakes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 has better quality commits than the Turtles. Bottom line

This is a great point to discuss. If we believe that the 91 commits are better quality than the Turtles, why can't they win any games??? ANY??
The only reason these teams haven't played is because 91 can't get themselves into the playoffs of any events or request to not play them.
so the options are 91 either has the WORST coach in he history of club (which we all know he's the best, just ask him) or the latter that they just aren't as good.
let me help you with your first and only lame argument, oh the turtles have been together longer blah blah blah.
Better quality commits, with an all world coach, and no quality wins!! C'mon MAN! Congrats on all the commits but better players play better lacrosse..and that my friend is the BOTTOM LINE

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 has better quality commits than the Turtles. Bottom line

Disagree. They each have bucknell which cxl each other out. Turtles 2x Fairfield is pretty equivalent to 91 Fairfield and BU. Turtles 2x harvard equal to 91 2x penn.

Now if you compare the rest you're splitting hairs but think turtles 3x hop, Maryland, UVA, unc, duke bests the 91 lineup

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 has better quality commits than the Turtles. Bottom line

WHAT!??? The team can't win a game. I challenge you to watch one game, just one. The kids don't move the ball. They are making it very easy for their "competition". It's going to be interesting as the next few years show top schools wiggling out from verbal deals with the kids on that lead balloon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So glad there are so many qualified posters on here espousing doctrine of what constitutes a "good" recruit and which schools should be interested, etc, etc. TX could learn a few things from the crowd here.

Ha! Ha!

There is something to be said for it though. We have kids here in the DMV who are committed to ACC schools and literally can't play. Our club is still howling at how UVa was duped into one Landon kid last year and that is just one example of the hype machine equaling attention for a player. Duke has some weak commits in the 2017 class and in the 2016 class. Ditto UVa and UNC. There are early recruiting misses all up and down the beltway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2017 Orange hasn't beaten any of the best teams. Actually last summer they got hammered in most tournaments they played. I'm shocked they have so many D1 commits because I've seen them play numerous times and they never once impressed me.

B Level ball. What not to do Lacrosse. No pass ball. B at best.

How many more are left that didn't verbal? What about the two Goalies.

So about 90% of the 2017 verbals came from these two Teams? Incredible. I guess all the mid level DI will be coming soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 has better quality commits than the Turtles. Bottom line

And yet they lose games to crappy teams at Crabfeast and at fl$ in 3d. Last I checked Turtles have not lost a game in a couple years and has played very few competitive games. That is straight up wrong. If there are a dozen high level commits on 91, including two Dukes, then those programs made about 10 recruiting mistakes.

And the 91 boys will be laughing all the way to the better schools. Lax mission acomplished!

Is it possible that every Player on the Turtles will go D1??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 has better quality commits than the Turtles. Bottom line

That is such a rediculess statement and clearly meant to fan flames on a fire you would like to see started but no one here is going to take the hook, troll.

You are wrong. They deserve that the hook be taken, and run with. crooked stuff. Watch as they win one game for every seven played. Run from the sinking ship, run

You are all out of control and should be ashamed of yourselves. This is about the kids not the adults pounding their chests. What a joke you are making of this sport!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2017 Orange hasn't beaten any of the best teams. Actually last summer they got hammered in most tournaments they played. I'm shocked they have so many D1 commits because I've seen them play numerous times and they never once impressed me.

B Level ball. What not to do Lacrosse. No pass ball. B at best.

No dog in this fight, but I guess this cements the theory that you do not have to be on a winning team to be recruited....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2017 Orange hasn't beaten any of the best teams. Actually last summer they got hammered in most tournaments they played. I'm shocked they have so many D1 commits because I've seen them play numerous times and they never once impressed me.

B Level
ball. What not to do Lacrosse. No pass ball. B at best.

No dog in this fight, but I guess this cements the theory that you do not have to be on a winning team to be recruited....

Not just recruited, recruited to better schools than the chest pounding fathers. Who's laughing now? Hahahahahaha. 5 years from now.....Turtles who? It will matter more where you graduated from.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it possible that every Player on the Turtles will go D1??

don't know but wouldn't want to be the last kid not to be taken. Awkward.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great comment on the volume of this diluting the substance. My kid was an All-Star at session two or three or four of the IL Showcase this fall. I am not even sure which one and am certainly not sure it is a great accolade. If it was the emails or calls from our club coach would be streaming in and they are not. This whole shout out thing over Twitter and blog sites like Ty Xanders or 3d is like getting the kids and the dads in the white van for some candy and a ride.

Have never belly laughed on site until now. So true. All great humor has a basis in truth.

Why do you think we all sat on the NJ TPKE for the last 5 years? Bragging rights. Our last hurah. Next stop, Fla to die! My heart goes out to anyone who has to go through the craziness more than once!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great comment on the volume of this diluting the substance. My kid was an All-Star at session two or three or four of the IL Showcase this fall. I am not even sure which one and am certainly not sure it is a great accolade. If it was the emails or calls from our club coach would be streaming in and they are not. This whole shout out thing over Twitter and blog sites like Ty Xanders or 3d is like getting the kids and the dads in the white van for some candy and a ride.

Have never belly laughed on site until now. So true. All great humor has a basis in truth.

Funny...saw burrito boy taking marching orders over the phone on what to write on his blog #waterboy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many more are left that didn't verbal? What about the two Goalies.

By far the weakest area of the team. They have 5-6 D1 poles playing in front of them which makes them look better than they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many more are left that didn't verbal? What about the two Goalies.

By far the weakest area of the team. They have 5-6 D1 poles playing in front of them which makes them look better than they are.

I wouldn't say weakest area- just not much for them to do. They will shine individually at showcases. Goalies are usually recruited late. The downside to playing with great teams as a goalie- you aren't needed as much and it's harder to show what you've got. Any top team goalie will have these issues unless the team challenges themselves. And I'm not the goalie's dad or mom/ just a parent of a goalie that sees these pitfalls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many more are left that didn't verbal? What about the two Goalies.

By far the weakest area of the team. They have 5-6 D1 poles playing in front of them which makes them look better than they are.

yet that post shows exactly what a dk you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So glad there are so many qualified posters on here espousing doctrine of what constitutes a "good" recruit and which schools should be interested, etc, etc. TX could learn a few things from the crowd here.

Ha! Ha!

There is something to be said for it though. We have kids here in the DMV who are committed to ACC schools and literally can't play. Our club is still howling at how UVa was duped into one Landon kid last year and that is just one example of the hype machine equaling attention for a player. Duke has some weak commits in the 2017 class and in the 2016 class. Ditto UVa and UNC. There are early recruiting misses all up and down the beltway.

There is something to be said for what? You just proved the point.

Yes, your opinion is much more valuable than those of the recruiting staff at the schools you mentioned. Yes, Duke, how many national championships recently, are clueless about their 2017 recruiting.

You are entitled to your opinion and this is a public forum, but seriously, too many armchair coaches on this board. Real coaches have a method to their recruiting. Some recruits may possess a certain skill that meets a need for a team that the armchair guys don't recognize or appreciate. Perhaps they are college coaches because they are just a heck of a lot better at evaluating talent than people coaching on an Internet forum.

The value of this forum collapses when people just want to spout worthless opinions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many more are left that didn't verbal? What about the two Goalies.

By far the weakest area of the team. They have 5-6 D1 poles playing in front of them which makes them look better than they are.

False. There is NO weakness to the Turtle team. The two goalies are excellent players and work great with all the poles on the team. The shots these two boys see in the practices are 50X better than what they would see in a HS game or ANY club game. You are WAY off on your comment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many more are left that didn't verbal? What about the two Goalies.

By far the weakest area of the team. They have 5-6 D1 poles playing in front of them which makes them look better than they are.

False. There is NO weakness to the Turtle team. The two goalies are excellent players and work great with all the poles on the team. The shots these two boys see in the practices are 50X better than what they would see in a HS game or ANY club game. You are WAY off on your comment.

Where are they committed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many more are left that didn't verbal? What about the two Goalies.

By far the weakest area of the team. They have 5-6 D1 poles playing in front of them which makes them look better than they are.

I wouldn't say weakest area- just not much for them to do. They will shine individually at showcases. Goalies are usually recruited late. The downside to playing with great teams as a goalie- you aren't needed as much and it's harder to show what you've got. Any top team goalie will have these issues unless the team challenges themselves. And I'm not the goalie's dad or mom/ just a parent of a goalie that sees these pitfalls.

The best goalie in the grade have already committed

Goalie is one of the strongest positions in the 2017 class if not the strongest. It's just a fact that 1 of the Turtles goalies is not a top level player as most of his teammates are.

That was awesome!! Way to go Norm!

I've been around the DMV club scene as a parent and coach for a long time, and without shooting negatives at any one club or prep school, there is something important most people including Ty Xanders don't get. Some early verbals are outstanding players including many Turtles, but some are not. Those aren't diamonds in the rough, they are non-impact recruits. What is a non-impact recruit? Think Rudy in the Notre Dame movie. Here in the DMV you have clubs who need commits to survive and attract the next generation of competitive kids and parents. Some of the top lacrosse prep schools here have less than 100 kids per grade and 25 per grade who want to play D1 lacrosse and it is not too cynical to suggest enrollment would be hurt at these over $25K a year schools. College coaches are in a great position when pushy club or prep coach calls begging for him to take a player they think little of IF 1. It is made clear the family will pay full freight, 2. It is made clear the kid will be a walk-on and may even need to tryout to stay on the roster, 3. It is made clear the kid and family will be fulfilled to be a 4 year practice player with realistic hopes of getting into a blowout or two like Rudy, and 4. The kid plays for a club and goes to a prep school that will develop him into a good college practice player and maybe more as a pleasant surprise.

The DMV fills college roster benches with these kids by the bushel every year. For Dom Starsia and the rest it is like nothing down financing for what may be a useful player and they get a free option.

Sounds like the ultimate lax bro Branford winstonworth? Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've been around the DMV club scene as a parent and coach for a long time, and without shooting negatives at any one club or prep school, there is something important most people including Ty Xanders don't get. Some early verbals are outstanding players including many Turtles, but some are not. Those aren't diamonds in the rough, they are non-impact recruits. What is a non-impact recruit? Think Rudy in the Notre Dame movie. Here in the DMV you have clubs who need commits to survive and attract the next generation of competitive kids and parents. Some of the top lacrosse prep schools here have less than 100 kids per grade and 25 per grade who want to play D1 lacrosse and it is not too cynical to suggest enrollment would be hurt at these over $25K a year schools. College coaches are in a great position when pushy club or prep coach calls begging for him to take a player they think little of IF 1. It is made clear the family will pay full freight, 2. It is made clear the kid will be a walk-on and may even need to tryout to stay on the roster, 3. It is made clear the kid and family will be fulfilled to be a 4 year practice player with realistic hopes of getting into a blowout or two like Rudy, and 4. The kid plays for a club and goes to a prep school that will develop him into a good college practice player and maybe more as a pleasant surprise.

The DMV fills college roster benches with these kids by the bushel every year. For Dom Starsia and the rest it is like nothing down financing for what may be a useful player and they get a free option.

Amazing look at what might be the inside truth with a lot of this recruiting stuff. Never thought of it this way, but it explains how some players are able to get north of a 50% offer. If you have two or three kids per year that get zero it adds up quickly. Thanks for the info, and clarity on a very cloudy process.

The best schools in the country still haven't commited a goalie yet

Well said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many more are left that didn't verbal? What about the two Goalies.

By far the weakest area of the team. They have 5-6 D1 poles playing in front of them which makes them look better than they are.

False. There is NO weakness to the Turtle team. The two goalies are excellent players and work great with all the poles on the team. The shots these two boys see in the practices are 50X better than what they would see in a HS game or ANY club game. You are WAY off on your comment.

Where are they committed?

No place yet. But WHAT DOES THAT MATTER? Just because they aren't committed yet means they aren't top level players? Thats ridiculous. By your question, it shows your son isn't committed yet either. A parent would NEVER ask that, whom has been through the recruiting process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are all out of control and should be ashamed of yourselves. This is about the kids not the adults pounding their chests. What a joke you are making of this sport!

Thank you. There is something psychologically wrong with adults calling out specific teen players except for praise.

You guys are all insane. Your kids are committed to amazing Division 1 schools. You have achieved the ultimate goal that 99% of all youth athletes will never accomplish. Regardless of which is the best club team, realize that all of these boys (and parents!) were recruited because they put in a lot of time, practice and car miles to get there. Try to enjoy the moment for once.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 has better quality commits than the Turtles. Bottom line

WHAT!??? The team can't win a game. I challenge you to watch one game, just one. The kids don't move the ball. They are making it very easy for their "competition". It's going to be interesting as the next few years show top schools wiggling out from verbal deals with the kids on that lead balloon.

I pain to not offend others on this threat, but this has been a quiet bargain between DMV club and prep school guys and top college coaches for years. Top level D1 programs take getting the very best kids very seriously. Yes, there are dynamite 2017 kids committed. But giving 1/3rd or 1/2 scholarships are something coaches have to be very judicious with and that happens very rarely...3 maybe 4 recruits a year. The rest are chaos theory chips on red and black. The commits game is like the drug dealer chapter in Outliers. Most drug dealers are just users living with their parents. Only a few drug dealers "win" the tournament and make money...of course at the risk and later expense of going to jail. In lacrosse most DMV parents will shell out over a hundred grand on club and school tuitions and nobody wins the tournament, all DMV lacrosse parents are users and to "win" the tournament is to have cocktail party proud moments and to see junior run through the tunnel in a college uniform like Rudy. Do yourselves a better favor...use lacrosse only for admissions tickets to ride a great academic school. That is the only real winner of you are a parent user of the lacrosse drug.

Will the entire Turtle Team play lacrosse at the D1 level. What a story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best schools in the country still haven't commited a goalie yet

Schools don't commit a goalie every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best schools in the country still haven't commited a goalie yet

And they may not. don't need a goalie every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the entire Turtle Team play lacrosse at the D1 level. What a story.

Will be very awkward for the boys that don't commit, or commit to low level programs with all the hype. Way too much pressure on these boys!

Schools are always looking for goalies and would take one every year if there is mutual interest. Roster sizes have bloated into the 50s and soon may go to 60 with all the walk on volunteer interest in college lacrosse. It is preposterous to suggest programs aren't looking for goalies and all other positions every year when they are taking 12-15 recruits in per year. Some Ivies currently have less than 4 goalies rostered but that has more to do with fewer kids meeting academic requirements than anything else. Anyone who says otherwise is a goalie dad hoping there is less competition for junior when he gets to college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best schools in the country still haven't commited a goalie yet

Schools don't commit a goalie every year.

All top programs want as many goalies as they can get. It is a hard position to recruit, and harder to manage since only one can play but there is no choice. Goalies get hurt a lot, broken bones from shots and when they do you need another and more after that. You risk winding up with 2 goalies out and doing want ads for a goalie? No way. And just like other positions, there are recruiting misses and mistakes. Some top 15 year old 2017s won't be great or even passable college goalies and coaches know that is a risk as well. If your program stinks in the cage you lose every game and lose your job. So yes, they are looking for a goalie every chance they get.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schools are always looking for goalies and would take one every year if there is mutual interest. Roster sizes have bloated into the 50s and soon may go to 60 with all the walk on volunteer interest in college lacrosse. It is preposterous to suggest programs aren't looking for goalies and all other positions every year when they are taking 12-15 recruits in per year. Some Ivies currently have less than 4 goalies rostered but that has more to do with fewer kids meeting academic requirements than anything else. Anyone who says otherwise is a goalie dad hoping there is less competition for junior when he gets to college.

My friend. You are so wrong on all points in this stetment it's scary. Seriously,
People like you scare the sht out of me. Get yourself informed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best schools in the country still haven't commited a goalie yet

Schools don't commit a goalie every year.

All top programs want as many goalies as they can get. It is a hard position to recruit, and harder to manage since only one can play but there is no choice. Goalies get hurt a lot, broken bones from shots and when they do you need another and more after that. You risk winding up with 2 goalies out and doing want ads for a goalie? No way. And just like other positions, there are recruiting misses and mistakes. Some top 15 year old 2017s won't be great or even passable college goalies and coaches know that is a risk as well. If your program stinks in the cage you lose every game and lose your job. So yes, they are looking for a goalie every chance they get.

With that said, makes it even more interesting that the amazing Turtles goalies have not been snatched up. Hmmmm?

There's a 2017 lacrosse goalie dad out there who is self announced perfectly informed. Gee, there's a shock. The Turtles goalie has nothing to be concerned with besides his play. If he is a good goalie a top college program will offer him, and maybe that comes later rather than sooner. Dont be shocked to see top programs commit a second goalie even in the same class if they see a kid develop to be a good get.

We have a son who is a 2017 goalie and our son has seen the Turtles goalie at some tournaments and prospect days. I am certain that kid has a lot of opportunities, and it has also been shared from the college coaches who are recruiting our son to be transparent they are also looking at other goalies with great interest including the Turtles goalie. A few of these schools also have committed 2017 goalies and are still recruiting. Maybe that means they are recruiting more than one, or maybe that means they are not really committed to the kids they committed. If our son committed tomorrow I could take it with some grains of salt considering some 2017 commit goalies and their families may have no bloody idea those programs are still in the market as it were...

What is DMV?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I pain to not offend others on this threat, but this has been a quiet bargain between DMV club and prep school guys and top college coaches for years. Top level D1 programs take getting the very best kids very seriously. Yes, there are dynamite 2017 kids committed. But giving 1/3rd or 1/2 scholarships are something coaches have to be very judicious with and that happens very rarely...3 maybe 4 recruits a year. The rest are chaos theory chips on red and black. The commits game is like the drug dealer chapter in Outliers. Most drug dealers are just users living with their parents. Only a few drug dealers "win" the tournament and make money...of course at the risk and later expense of going to jail. In lacrosse most DMV parents will shell out over a hundred grand on club and school tuitions and nobody wins the tournament, all DMV lacrosse parents are users and to "win" the tournament is to have cocktail party proud moments and to see junior run through the tunnel in a college uniform like Rudy. Do yourselves a better favor...use lacrosse only for admissions tickets to ride a great academic school. That is the only real winner of you are a parent user of the lacrosse drug.

This hits pretty close to home. Our kid got $1500 a year, but we are happy he is getting the admissions office kicker to the school he really wants to go to. Some of these schools are really tough to get into without the coaches help. That has a great value too..

As per laxpower - 2015 goalies - 58 committed to D1 colleges
Air Force 4, Army 3, Bucknell, Mt St Mary, Ohio St and Providence 2 ea. the rest is one or zero. not listed is Princeton, Cornell and UPenn but I believe all three have verballed a goalie in this class - Penn State does not have a goalie in this class but has two freshman goalies and my understanding is that one will red shirt and become the "2015" goalie.

As a rule of thumb the schools want one goalie per class unless they know they need two or don't need any and they will almost never give money to more then one per class. Family's are often told we have no money for any goalie in the class because they gave a lot of money to the position last year.

Schools can not afford to have 3 or 4 scholarship players on the bench and as we all know only one goalie plays at a time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is DMV?

DC Maryland Virginia

the capital of crazy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As per laxpower - 2015 goalies - 58 committed to D1 colleges
Air Force 4, Army 3, Bucknell, Mt St Mary, Ohio St and Providence 2 ea. the rest is one or zero. not listed is Princeton, Cornell and UPenn but I believe all three have verballed a goalie in this class - Penn State does not have a goalie in this class but has two freshman goalies and my understanding is that one will red shirt and become the "2015" goalie.

As a rule of thumb the schools want one goalie per class unless they know they need two or don't need any and they will almost never give money to more then one per class. Family's are often told we have no money for any goalie in the class because they gave a lot of money to the position last year.

Schools can not afford to have 3 or 4 scholarship players on the bench and as we all know only one goalie plays at a time.

That seems rational and consistent with what we have seen with a 2017 goalie. Some programs have committed money to a 2015 or 2016, or so they say, and that opens the reasoning for why they don't offer much for a 2017. Of course if they stay on script all the time like that everyone will be under the impression money is going elsewhere, and that suits the NCAA coaches well. I would not put that by them to try that script given how small the scholarship monies are in this sport. We went through this process starting early and there were no top schools not interested in a 2017 goalie we knew of, and we heard from most of the top ones.

Seems like it would be the same scenario for fogos?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the entire Turtle Team play lacrosse at the D1 level. What a story.

Will be very awkward for the boys that don't commit, or commit to low level programs with all the hype. Way too much pressure on these boys!

Pressure? I think not. Playing at this level pretty much means they GET IT. This pressure you speak of is a word. That's it. Pressure for some would be getting really great grades, and for others maybe getting recruiting. It's all about how one handles it. Pressure could be going to your dream school, handling intensive over the top schoolwork, and "playing" a full time sport. And wow-that could be considered pressure. Look around and notice these kids whom are fortunate enough to be in the elite category. it is obvious they are in that category for a reason. If it's a tough work week academically, they won't rest until the work is done. If it's a tough game coming up or a tryout, you bet they put in extra time to prepare. All because they want to succeed. And they do it with a smile.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the entire Turtle Team play lacrosse at the D1 level. What a story.

Will be very awkward for the boys that don't commit, or commit to low level programs with all the hype. Way too much pressure on these boys!

Pressure? I think not. Playing at this level pretty much means they GET IT. This pressure you speak of is a word. That's it. Pressure for some would be getting really great grades, and for others maybe getting recruiting. It's all about how one handles it. Pressure could be going to your dream school, handling intensive over the top schoolwork, and "playing" a full time sport. And wow-that could be considered pressure. Look around and notice these kids whom are fortunate enough to be in the elite category. it is obvious they are in that category for a reason. If it's a tough work week academically, they won't rest until the work is done. If it's a tough game coming up or a tryout, you bet they put in extra time to prepare. All because they want to succeed. And they do it with a smile.

But how will they feel when their team mates are all committed to great schools and they are getting no offers? I suspect that will be tough!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is DMV?

DC Maryland Virginia

the capital of crazy

no disagreement. District and surrounding counties. not Baltimore

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the entire Turtle Team play lacrosse at the D1 level. What a story.

Will be very awkward for the boys that don't commit, or commit to low level programs with all the hype. Way too much pressure on these boys!

Pressure? I think not. Playing at this level pretty much means they GET IT. This pressure you speak of is a word. That's it. Pressure for some would be getting really great grades, and for others maybe getting recruiting. It's all about how one handles it. Pressure could be going to your dream school, handling intensive over the top schoolwork, and "playing" a full time sport. And wow-that could be considered pressure. Look around and notice these kids whom are fortunate enough to be in the elite category. it is obvious they are in that category for a reason. If it's a tough work week academically, they won't rest until the work is done. If it's a tough game coming up or a tryout, you bet they put in extra time to prepare. All because they want to succeed. And they do it with a smile.

Nicely stated. Those that get it will get it. They understand the value of hardwork in the classroom and on the field. Isn't that the overal lesson we hope they gain from all of this? The value they place on that will come back to them ten fold in their future endeavors.
Those are the winners.

Yes, I think the process is similar for fogo in my experience. Money was offered by several schools with at least one saying--we have so and so already committed, when he graduates and you are the starter we can up your dollars...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the entire Turtle Team play lacrosse at the D1 level. What a story.

Will be very awkward for the boys that don't commit, or commit to low level programs with all the hype. Way too much pressure on these boys!

Pressure? I think not. Playing at this level pretty much means they GET IT. This pressure you speak of is a word. That's it. Pressure for some would be getting really great grades, and for others maybe getting recruiting. It's all about how one handles it. Pressure could be going to your dream school, handling intensive over the top schoolwork, and "playing" a full time sport. And wow-that could be considered pressure. Look around and notice these kids whom are fortunate enough to be in the elite category. it is obvious they are in that category for a reason. If it's a tough work week academically, they won't rest until the work is done. If it's a tough game coming up or a tryout, you bet they put in extra time to prepare. All because they want to succeed. And they do it with a smile.

But how will they feel when their team mates are all committed to great schools and they are getting no offers? I suspect that will be tough!

How in the world do you know they have no offers? I know another 2017 who has at least 4 but is still holding out. Why don't you worry about your kid? I also know a kid with a few big lax offers who wants to be pre-med so he decided D3 would give him a better opportunity to prepare for med school. You should probably sit down, but every kid does not loose control of his bowels when he gets a D1 offer, some have other priorities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the entire Turtle Team play lacrosse at the D1 level. What a story.

Will be very awkward for the boys that don't commit, or commit to low level programs with all the hype. Way too much pressure on these boys!

Pressure? I think not. Playing at this level pretty much means they GET IT. This pressure you speak of is a word. That's it. Pressure for some would be getting really great grades, and for others maybe getting recruiting. It's all about how one handles it. Pressure could be going to your dream school, handling intensive over the top schoolwork, and "playing" a full time sport. And wow-that could be considered pressure. Look around and notice these kids whom are fortunate enough to be in the elite category. it is obvious they are in that category for a reason. If it's a tough work week academically, they won't rest until the work is done. If it's a tough game coming up or a tryout, you bet they put in extra time to prepare. All because they want to succeed. And they do it with a smile.

But how will they feel when their team mates are all committed to great schools and they are getting no offers? I suspect that will be tough!

I don't have a dog in this fight (but do know a bunch of the turtels and their parents) but you sound like a real [lacrosse].

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the entire Turtle Team play lacrosse at the D1 level. What a story.

Will be very awkward for the boys that don't commit, or commit to low level programs with all the hype. Way too much pressure on these boys!

Pressure? I think not. Playing at this level pretty much means they GET IT. This pressure you speak of is a word. That's it. Pressure for some would be getting really great grades, and for others maybe getting recruiting. It's all about how one handles it. Pressure could be going to your dream school, handling intensive over the top schoolwork, and "playing" a full time sport. And wow-that could be considered pressure. Look around and notice these kids whom are fortunate enough to be in the elite category. it is obvious they are in that category for a reason. If it's a tough work week academically, they won't rest until the work is done. If it's a tough game coming up or a tryout, you bet they put in extra time to prepare. All because they want to succeed. And they do it with a smile.

But how will they feel when their team mates are all committed to great schools and they are getting no offers? I suspect that will be tough!

How in the world do you know they have no offers? I know another 2017 who has at least 4 but is still holding out. Why don't you worry about your kid? I also know a kid with a few big lax offers who wants to be pre-med so he decided D3 would give him a better opportunity to prepare for med school. You should probably sit down, but every kid does not loose control of his bowels when he gets a D1 offer, some have other priorities.

Very defensive,I guess you're one of the kids without an offer. There are other things in life, but being committed to a top team and having nothing come of it must suck!

Cant deny the facts top Lacrosse Programs came hard after the Turtles and Team 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the entire Turtle Team play lacrosse at the D1 level. What a story.

Will be very awkward for the boys that don't commit, or commit to low level programs with all the hype. Way too much pressure on these boys!

Pressure? I think not. Playing at this level pretty much means they GET IT. This pressure you speak of is a word. That's it. Pressure for some would be getting really great grades, and for others maybe getting recruiting. It's all about how one handles it. Pressure could be going to your dream school, handling intensive over the top schoolwork, and "playing" a full time sport. And wow-that could be considered pressure. Look around and notice these kids whom are fortunate enough to be in the elite category. it is obvious they are in that category for a reason. If it's a tough work week academically, they won't rest until the work is done. If it's a tough game coming up or a tryout, you bet they put in extra time to prepare. All because they want to succeed. And they do it with a smile.

But how will they feel when their team mates are all committed to great schools and they are getting no offers? I suspect that will be tough!

How in the world do you know they have no offers? I know another 2017 who has at least 4 but is still holding out. Why don't you worry about your kid? I also know a kid with a few big lax offers who wants to be pre-med so he decided D3 would give him a better opportunity to prepare for med school. You should probably sit down, but every kid does not loose control of his bowels when he gets a D1 offer, some have other priorities.

Very defensive,I guess you're one of the kids without an offer. There are other things in life, but being committed to a top team and having nothing come of it must suck!

You are seriously insane. Completely crazy.

Would you still love your kid if he doesn't play D1 lax? Hope he doesn't end up with substance abuse issues because his dad was such an AH and he had no friends because dad commented one too many times about their play.

At the end of the day, my son is a great person. He is a great friend, a loving son, a good student, and a great teammate. All the things that really matter in life. Something you will never be. I hope it skipped a generation and your son won't be scarred by your insanity. BTW he is committed. You are the one who has no idea what the whole thing is about. He turned down an offer from a top lax school to go to a school that has academics that are in line with his goals. I am proud of him, and would be just as proud if he was not playing in college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone put up a list of the Turtles DI verbals so far?

Turtles
Maryland
Hopkins x 3
Harvard x2
Fairfield x2
Uva
Cornell
Bucknell
UNC

91
Bucknell
Duke x2
Upenn x2
Yale
Notre dame
BU
Michigan x2
Georgetown
Fairfield

Add a UPenn to turtles!

and a Michigan to turtles !

Plus a Cornell to 91 as of this week??

With all these impressive verbals through out the LI 2017 class, why nothing form Syracuse? Not LI fans?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cant deny the facts top Lacrosse Programs came hard after the Turtles and Team 91.

Disagree. Top D1 lacrosse programs went hard at the Turtles. As far as 91, not in same world. Hopefully for those on 91 you guys win a game or two this weekend. Otherwise some might question, is JM a great coach or a great salesman.

Guys- move on to another topic. Why would a non Turtle or 91 dad ask for a list of commits? Go to inside lacrosse 2017 recruiting page or recruiting rundown.com if you are SOOOOOO interested and not a parent of one of them.

Also, stop bashing whoever is yet to be committed. Everyone will find the right fit and you sound like a moron trashing a kid or talking about pressure.

New topic- Philly Showcase. Looks like a decent list of teams. Should be fun!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cant deny the facts top Lacrosse Programs came hard after the Turtles and Team 91.

Disagree. Top D1 lacrosse programs went hard at the Turtles. As far as 91, not in same world. Hopefully for those on 91 you guys win a game or two this weekend. Otherwise some might question, is JM a great coach or a great salesman.

Yet another blatantly dumb statement. Have you ever even been at an interview with a D1 coach and your son? They do not care if a team is "winning". They are looking at specific specimens to augment their teams. It's called finding the proper fit.

If you really don't think the schools didn't come as hard at 91 as the turtles; then I refer you to the above list of commits. If that is all just salesmanship; then I want what he's selling for my kid!! Sign me up for 91 !!! I am sure all of those D1 coaches were blind sided and do not know what they are looking at. Right?? They are clueless. You should be the D1 coach. You clearly know better.

GUYS- Move on!!! Who cares about how many commits from each team?? There are kids committed from programs all over the country. Take this "whose is bigger conversation" over to the 91 or Express forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cant deny the facts top Lacrosse Programs came hard after the Turtles and Team 91.

Disagree. Top D1 lacrosse programs went hard at the Turtles. As far as 91, not in same world. Hopefully for those on 91 you guys win a game or two this weekend. Otherwise some might question, is JM a great coach or a great salesman.

Who cares if they win, already hit the jackpot with the highest quality commit list!

"You are seriously insane. Completely crazy.

Would you still love your kid if he doesn't play D1 lax? Hope he doesn't end up with substance abuse issues because his dad was such an AH and he had no friends because dad commented one too many times about their play.

At the end of the day, my son is a great person. He is a great friend, a loving son, a good student, and a great teammate. All the things that really matter in life. Something you will never be. I hope it skipped a generation and your son won't be scarred by your insanity. BTW he is committed. You are the one who has no idea what the whole thing is about. He turned down an offer from a top lax school to go to a school that has academics that are in line with his goals. I am proud of him, and would be just as proud if he was not playing in college."

Actually, I think all the kids are fantastic, committed or not. I just think there is a lot of chest pounding and bragging by the PARENTS, which has led to unnecessary pressure and scrutiny of these young men. Whose going, where, how much money are you getting, etc. My comment was intended to point out how out of control it all is! And yes, my son is committed, but the chatter still continues! Parents living through there children, gossiping more than middle school mean girls!

Sad state for a sport when it is acceptable to suck and never a big deal to lose a lot of matches. I have never seen a loser comment below that one. You are ok to suck as long as the sales and marketing smoke and mirrors work out well? Just pathetic and not aimed at team 91 alone. Pretty soon it won't matter if Chaminade or St. Ants wins games or championships as long as the # of commits is more.

Problem is in a couple of years these kids will not be commits anymore and will have to play. A kid who has been conditioned to be a status obsessed fraud who is ok with losing...yeah, I am sure they'll do great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sad state for a sport when it is acceptable to suck and never a big deal to lose a lot of matches. I have never seen a loser comment below that one. You are ok to suck as long as the sales and marketing smoke and mirrors work out well? Just pathetic and not aimed at team 91 alone. Pretty soon it won't matter if Chaminade or St. Ants wins games or championships as long as the # of commits is more.

Problem is in a couple of years these kids will not be commits anymore and will have to play. A kid who has been conditioned to be a status obsessed fraud who is ok with losing...yeah, I am sure they'll do great.

Again....do you really think these
Coaches do not know what product they are selecting for the highest level of play?
At maverick or JR or Brine or any other showcase; do you think the coaches care what team won whatever game? Listen laxtard; they know exactly what they are doing or they would not have the job that they have! Get it and get over it. All of these kids and all nationally committed kids are committed as they have what it takes. The college coaches do not care what you or any other arm chair Monday morning coach thinks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sad state for a sport when it is acceptable to suck and never a big deal to lose a lot of matches. I have never seen a loser comment below that one. You are ok to suck as long as the sales and marketing smoke and mirrors work out well? Just pathetic and not aimed at team 91 alone. Pretty soon it won't matter if Chaminade or St. Ants wins games or championships as long as the # of commits is more.

Problem is in a couple of years these kids will not be commits anymore and will have to play. A kid who has been conditioned to be a status obsessed fraud who is ok with losing...yeah, I am sure they'll do great.

Again....do you really think these
Coaches do not know what product they are selecting for the highest level of play?
At maverick or JR or Brine or any other showcase; do you think the coaches care what team won whatever game? Listen laxtard; they know exactly what they are doing or they would not have the job that they have! Get it and get over it. All of these kids and all nationally committed kids are committed as they have what it takes. The college coaches do not care what you or any other arm chair Monday morning coach thinks.

You're right. If the experts deem it so that team 91 has a dozen commits, yet as a team there is no aspect of the game where they are a good team that can win games there must be some demonstrable intangibles that make them a collection of great players disguised as a losing team. That makes a lot of sense, and thanks for clearing all this up for us. I won't go on anymore thinking it is important to win or achieve anything in sports because that is not important.

Get real, daddy. Winners care about kicking a rivals teeth in and then banging the other teams cheerleaders for good measure. Sure, some college coaches may not care to recruit winning characteristics in kids. To each his own.

Must be fun growing up in your house

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must be fun growing up in your house

Yes, it's awesome.

2017 91 orange has very weak goalie play and that is the main reason such a talented team doesn't win games. Rather than take the best goalies at the tryouts JM keeps "his guys".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sad state for a sport when it is acceptable to suck and never a big deal to lose a lot of matches. I have never seen a loser comment below that one. You are ok to suck as long as the sales and marketing smoke and mirrors work out well? Just pathetic and not aimed at team 91 alone. Pretty soon it won't matter if Chaminade or St. Ants wins games or championships as long as the # of commits is more.

Problem is in a couple of years these kids will not be commits anymore and will have to play. A kid who has been conditioned to be a status obsessed fraud who is ok with losing...yeah, I am sure they'll do great.

Again....do you really think these
Coaches do not know what product they are selecting for the highest level of play?
At maverick or JR or Brine or any other showcase; do you think the coaches care what team won whatever game? Listen laxtard; they know exactly what they are doing or they would not have the job that they have! Get it and get over it. All of these kids and all nationally committed kids are committed as they have what it takes. The college coaches do not care what you or any other arm chair Monday morning coach thinks.

You're right. If the experts deem it so that team 91 has a dozen commits, yet as a team there is no aspect of the game where they are a good team that can win games there must be some demonstrable intangibles that make them a collection of great players disguised as a losing team. That makes a lot of sense, and thanks for clearing all this up for us. I won't go on anymore thinking it is important to win or achieve anything in sports because that is not important.

Get real, daddy. Winners care about kicking a rivals teeth in and then banging the other teams cheerleaders for good measure. Sure, some college coaches may not care to recruit winning characteristics in kids. To each his own.

Dear Crazy Lax Dad,

Under the new ACA regulations your health insurance is required to have mental health coverage. Even those of us who are not fans of the law can agree on one thing: you need to use it. If not for yourself, please send your son so he can learn that it isn't his fault he is your child. Mental health help is just a phone call away.

Even the 91 website only knows 9 commits, the others have't been posted???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 91 orange has very weak goalie play and that is the main reason such a talented team doesn't win games. Rather than take the best goalies at the tryouts JM keeps "his guys".

Please stop. There is no aspect of the game where 91 is an elite team. Not defense, not midfield and not attack. Pretty bad to isolate on a goalie as a reason. Not too many goalies can stop wide open hands free 5-8 yarders against at the doorstep, and I saw an awful lot of those at Crabfeast. A well marketed group by the club, and let's just leave it at that.

Get real, daddy. Winners care about kicking a rivals teeth in and then banging the other teams cheerleaders for good measure. Sure, some college coaches may not care to recruit winning characteristics in kids. To each his own. [/quote]

Dear Crazy Lax Dad,

Under the new ACA regulations your health insurance is required to have mental health coverage. Even those of us who are not fans of the law can agree on one thing: you need to use it. If not for yourself, please send your son so he can learn that it isn't his fault he is your child. Mental health help is just a phone call away.

[/quote]

Seemed figurative and not literal, and frankly I agree. You guys are easy to spot on weekends. Not about wins, all about the looks. We have kids out today at showcases. Two kids are sick. Excuses excuses excuses. Then the table turns to how many commits you have on your lousy teams (TT excepted). Nothing wrong with kicking a little [lacrosse]. They do keep score, right? If you are ok with losing and being a loser, we're all good. See you this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 91 orange has very weak goalie play and that is the main reason such a talented team doesn't win games. Rather than take the best goalies at the tryouts JM keeps "his guys".

Please stop. There is no aspect of the game where 91 is an elite team. Not defense, not midfield and not attack. Pretty bad to isolate on a goalie as a reason. Not too many goalies can stop wide open hands free 5-8 yarders against at the doorstep, and I saw an awful lot of those at Crabfeast. A well marketed group by the club, and let's just leave it at that.

They are elite at recruiting. Better list than Turtles! Now stop crying

Does anyone realize that several committed boys actually play other sports?? Hate to break it to you but there is more to life than lacrosse. It's obvious by the emphasis that these dads put on meaningless Fall club tournaments that maybe you're raising one-dimensional kids. The reality is that a lot of committed kids rarely pick up a stick in the Fall or Winter because of soccer, football or basketball. And to your surprise, the college coaches are ok with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sad state for a sport when it is acceptable to suck and never a big deal to lose a lot of matches. I have never seen a loser comment below that one. You are ok to suck as long as the sales and marketing smoke and mirrors work out well? Just pathetic and not aimed at team 91 alone. Pretty soon it won't matter if Chaminade or St. Ants wins games or championships as long as the # of commits is more.

Problem is in a couple of years these kids will not be commits anymore and will have to play. A kid who has been conditioned to be a status obsessed fraud who is ok with losing...yeah, I am sure they'll do great.

Again....do you really think these
Coaches do not know what product they are selecting for the highest level of play?
At maverick or JR or Brine or any other showcase; do you think the coaches care what team won whatever game? Listen laxtard; they know exactly what they are doing or they would not have the job that they have! Get it and get over it. All of these kids and all nationally committed kids are committed as they have what it takes. The college coaches do not care what you or any other arm chair Monday morning coach thinks.

You're right. If the experts deem it so that team 91 has a dozen commits, yet as a team there is no aspect of the game where they are a good team that can win games there must be some demonstrable intangibles that make them a collection of great players disguised as a losing team. That makes a lot of sense, and thanks for clearing all this up for us. I won't go on anymore thinking it is important to win or achieve anything in sports because that is not important.

Get real, daddy. Winners care about kicking a rivals teeth in and then banging the other teams cheerleaders for good measure. Sure, some college coaches may not care to recruit winning characteristics in kids. To each his own.

Still dreaming about banging cheerleaders? And only winning? Really? Guess that didn't work out for you so you're passing along those life goals to your son. Yes; I am sure your kid will end up going to 13th grade at the local community college and not think about lax as a springboard to A great education.
You're a funny guy. As far as I'm concerned; all of these 91 commits are already winners. And where do you personally and your son stack up with those creds? Sounds like your wet dream ended up with your teeth kicked in
:-)

They are elite at recruiting. Better list than Turtles! Now stop crying [/quote]

They are elite at recruiting? Oh, I get it. They will be four year starters at the recruiting position and we were not aware that is a spot on the college field.

I'd rather see my kid be an elite player playing on an elite team, thank you very much. Just a different set of priorities.

Who cares!!!!!!!! A lot of us have kids who are committed already and not from either program. Why are you both whining about which program has better commits (91 or Turtles)? Get a life!!

Still dreaming about banging cheerleaders? And only winning? Really? Guess that didn't work out for you so you're passing along those life goals to your son. Yes; I am sure your kid will end up going to 13th grade at the local community college and not think about lax as a springboard to A great education.
You're a funny guy. As far as I'm concerned; all of these 91 commits are already winners. And where do you personally and your son stack up with those creds? Sounds like your wet dream ended up with your teeth kicked in
:-) [/quote]

My experience ended making D1 All-America at an ACC school all four years and being an NCAA champion. Do something to be the best you can be. Achieve, accomplish and walk away fulfilled with no regrets. I didn't need to dream it, I lived it and I pass down the importance of substance over hype to my son who is doing just fine thank you. It is really ok that they are already winners in your hearts...just don't look up at the scoreboard. That thing never lied to me and told me exactly where I stood. Kids with character can take that and be fueled to go better. Losers walk to the parking lot talking about being committed hoping someone will overhear and care. That must feel great before hitting the I-95 North.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 91 orange has very weak goalie play and that is the main reason such a talented team doesn't win games. Rather than take the best goalies at the tryouts JM keeps "his guys".

Please stop. There is no aspect of the game where 91 is an elite team. Not defense, not midfield and not attack. Pretty bad to isolate on a goalie as a reason. Not too many goalies can stop wide open hands free 5-8 yarders against at the doorstep, and I saw an awful lot of those at Crabfeast. A well marketed group by the club, and let's just leave it at that.

They are elite at recruiting. Better list than Turtles! Now stop crying

Really? You know what, I guess your right. The list below of where the 15 of 19 TURTLES are committed, really isn't impressive.

Turtles-

ATTACK-
UVA (CSH)
Hopkins (Manhasset)
Fairfield (Chaminade)
Fairfield (Smithtown E)

MID-
Hopkins (Smithtown E)
Cornell (CSH)
UNC (Manhasset)
Maryland (Sachem N)
Harvard (Smithtown E)
UPENN (St.Anthony's)

DEFENSE
Loyola (Deer Park)
Harvard (Chaminade)
Bucknell (St.Anthony's)
Michigan (Manhasset)
Hopkins (Mt. Sinai)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 91 orange has very weak goalie play and that is the main reason such a talented team doesn't win games. Rather than take the best goalies at the tryouts JM keeps "his guys".

Please stop. There is no aspect of the game where 91 is an elite team. Not defense, not midfield and not attack. Pretty bad to isolate on a goalie as a reason. Not too many goalies can stop wide open hands free 5-8 yarders against at the doorstep, and I saw an awful lot of those at Crabfeast. A well marketed group by the club, and let's just leave it at that.

They are elite at recruiting. Better list than Turtles! Now stop crying

Really? You know what, I guess your right. The list below of where the 15 of 19 TURTLES are committed, really isn't impressive.

Turtles-

ATTACK-
UVA (CSH)
Hopkins (Manhasset)
Fairfield (Chaminade)
Fairfield (Smithtown E)

MID-
Hopkins (Smithtown E)
Cornell (CSH)
UNC (Manhasset)
Maryland (Sachem N)
Harvard (Smithtown E)
UPENN (St.Anthony's)

DEFENSE
Loyola (Deer Park)
Harvard (Chaminade)
Bucknell (St.Anthony's)
Michigan (Manhasset)
Hopkins (Mt. Sinai)

91 has 7 kids committed to elite (top 20) schools, where Turtles have 5. Just sayin, Mr braggy pants!

FORD - CHEVY

Ha!

This thread has become even more pathetic, if that's possible. Can't wait for the winter doldrums.

Jeez Team 91 Dad, if THAT team played Turtles this w/e it would be 20-1 Turtles. The level of play is not even close between the two teams. The caliber of the players is not even close. Ok, 91 has 7 kids committed to top 20 teams and a dozen D1 commits. They suck on the field and can't beat any first tier teams, and lose to regional 3d teams at 3d tournaments. Color me the armchair coach, but with that as a given, there are some high level D1 coaches who really are being duped by lacrosse blogger journalists. And I am not an LI or Turtle dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 91 orange has very weak goalie play and that is the main reason such a talented team doesn't win games. Rather than take the best goalies at the tryouts JM keeps "his guys".

Please stop. There is no aspect of the game where 91 is an elite team. Not defense, not midfield and not attack. Pretty bad to isolate on a goalie as a reason. Not too many goalies can stop wide open hands free 5-8 yarders against at the doorstep, and I saw an awful lot of those at Crabfeast. A well marketed group by the club, and let's just leave it at that.

They are elite at recruiting. Better list than Turtles! Now stop crying

Really? You know what, I guess your right. The list below of where the 15 of 19 TURTLES are committed, really isn't impressive.

Turtles-

ATTACK-
UVA (CSH)
Hopkins (Manhasset)
Fairfield (Chaminade)
Fairfield (Smithtown E)

MID-
Hopkins (Smithtown E)
Cornell (CSH)
UNC (Manhasset)
Maryland (Sachem N)
Harvard (Smithtown E)
UPENN (St.Anthony's)

DEFENSE
Loyola (Deer Park)
Harvard (Chaminade)
Bucknell (St.Anthony's)
Michigan (Manhasset)
Hopkins (Mt. Sinai)

91 has 7 kids committed to elite (top 20) schools, where Turtles have 5. Just sayin, Mr braggy pants!

Well, that raises a question--which schools are top 20? Based on athletics, academics or some combination?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still dreaming about banging cheerleaders? And only winning? Really? Guess that didn't work out for you so you're passing along those life goals to your son. Yes; I am sure your kid will end up going to 13th grade at the local community college and not think about lax as a springboard to A great education.
You're a funny guy. As far as I'm concerned; all of these 91 commits are already winners. And where do you personally and your son stack up with those creds? Sounds like your wet dream ended up with your teeth kicked in
:-)

My experience ended making D1 All-America at an ACC school all four years and being an NCAA champion. Do something to be the best you can be. Achieve, accomplish and walk away fulfilled with no regrets. I didn't need to dream it, I lived it and I pass down the importance of substance over hype to my son who is doing just fine thank you. It is really ok that they are already winners in your hearts...just don't look up at the scoreboard. That thing never lied to me and told me exactly where I stood. Kids with character can take that and be fueled to go better. Losers walk to the parking lot talking about being committed hoping someone will overhear and care. That must feel great before hitting the I-95 North. [/quote]

Ouch!! Does your chest hurt from all of that thumping? Need an ice pack or two?
Have a nice day, Biff. (Btw; did you major in beer like most ACC guys do and land a great job as a ???? )

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 91 orange has very weak goalie play and that is the main reason such a talented team doesn't win games. Rather than take the best goalies at the tryouts JM keeps "his guys".

Please stop. There is no aspect of the game where 91 is an elite team. Not defense, not midfield and not attack. Pretty bad to isolate on a goalie as a reason. Not too many goalies can stop wide open hands free 5-8 yarders against at the doorstep, and I saw an awful lot of those at Crabfeast. A well marketed group by the club, and let's just leave it at that.

They are elite at recruiting. Better list than Turtles! Now stop crying

Really? You know what, I guess your right. The list below of where the 15 of 19 TURTLES are committed, really isn't impressive.

Turtles-

ATTACK-
UVA (CSH)
Hopkins (Manhasset)
Fairfield (Chaminade)
Fairfield (Smithtown E)

MID-
Hopkins (Smithtown E)
Cornell (CSH)
UNC (Manhasset)
Maryland (Sachem N)
Harvard (Smithtown E)
UPENN (St.Anthony's)

DEFENSE
Loyola (Deer Park)
Harvard (Chaminade)
Bucknell (St.Anthony's)
Michigan (Manhasset)
Hopkins (Mt. Sinai)

91 has 7 kids committed to elite (top 20) schools, where Turtles have 5. Just sayin, Mr braggy pants!

Well, that raises a question--which schools are top 20? Based on athletics, academics or some combination?

Academic, the only thing that really matters.

Aren't most LI parents in this sport dreaming of junior becoming an ACC Biff? Duke and UVa don't hand out bad looking degrees. That just sounds like somebody's lacrosse dad just got his feelings hurt. Team 91 dads are people too. Sniff.

Do the 91 parents not consider Hopkins to be a top level academic school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Aren't most LI parents in this sport dreaming of junior becoming an ACC Biff? Duke and UVa don't hand out bad looking degrees. That just sounds like somebody's lacrosse dad just got his feelings hurt. Team 91 dads are people too. Sniff.

UVA not in the same league as Duke, not even close!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Aren't most LI parents in this sport dreaming of junior becoming an ACC Biff? Duke and UVa don't hand out bad looking degrees. That just sounds like somebody's lacrosse dad just got his feelings hurt. Team 91 dads are people too. Sniff.

Have yet to meet a Duke lax grad who didn't become a coach or a gym teacher.
And I dont know any uva attorneys or physicians who played lax either. And let us not even mention UNC, ok?

Lots of sales guys, coaches and trainers are produced by ACC -

Not hating, just sayin truth... I'm in sales, and enjoy not taking the 5:15 into Penn station everyday....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 91 parents not consider Hopkins to be a top level academic school?

It sure is but how many lax players go there and take full
Advantage of that academic sphere?

I'd venture less than 10%.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 91 parents not consider Hopkins to be a top level academic school?

It sure is but how many lax players go there and take full
Advantage of that academic sphere?

I'd venture less than 10%.

Reading these ridiculous posts by hateful spiteful long island lacrosse dads. It is both comical and sad that you think you are such experts with regards to academia. First of all choosing a school is about finding the place where a kid can thrive be happy and translate into success. There are plenty of kids who turn down a commit to the "application process at an Ivy" to attend another school that they find more suitable. You need to do your research there are plenty of non-ivy schools where you can get a great education. The kids that are successful afterwords will be the ones that thrived and were happy in the right environment.

And for the guy that says UVA and Duke are not comparable you just uninformed. UVA, and Michigan like UCLA and UC-Berkeley are known as "public ivies" for a reason. They are comparable both academically and research wise to the ivies and other privates such as Duke. UVA is very much comparable to Duke.

And if you think your doing pre-med or engineering at any D1 lacrosse school ivy or not on the 4 year plan you are really not seeing reality. Your kid will either be taking summer classes every year and/or do a 5th or 6th year ...that you will have to pay for. Also summer classes are not covered with scholarship money.

sure glad I dont live on Long Island have to stand on the sidelines with you guys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still dreaming about banging cheerleaders? And only winning? Really? Guess that didn't work out for you so you're passing along those life goals to your son. Yes; I am sure your kid will end up going to 13th grade at the local community college and not think about lax as a springboard to A great education.
You're a funny guy. As far as I'm concerned; all of these 91 commits are already winners. And where do you personally and your son stack up with those creds? Sounds like your wet dream ended up with your teeth kicked in
:-)

My experience ended making D1 All-America at an ACC school all four years and being an NCAA champion. Do something to be the best you can be. Achieve, accomplish and walk away fulfilled with no regrets. I didn't need to dream it, I lived it and I pass down the importance of substance over hype to my son who is doing just fine thank you. It is really ok that they are already winners in your hearts...just don't look up at the scoreboard. That thing never lied to me and told me exactly where I stood. Kids with character can take that and be fueled to go better. Losers walk to the parking lot talking about being committed hoping someone will overhear and care. That must feel great before hitting the I-95 North.

Ouch!! Does your chest hurt from all of that thumping? Need an ice pack or two?
Have a nice day, Biff. (Btw; did you major in beer like most ACC guys do and land a great job as a ???? )[/quote]

Biff, remember every 2017 with a verbal has just that. They have to take SATs, get good grades and not get thrown in jail for bashing someone's teeth out or raping the other team's cheerleaders. Maybe you got away with that back in the glory days but it doesn't fly anymore, so maybe it isn't a great idea to encourage your son to do so.

So in summary you'd all club a baby seal to be able to say your kid is a UVa or a Duke or a UNC early commit, but you think grads of those schools are underemployed drunks who are PE teachers or lacrosse coaches after graduation. Makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still dreaming about banging cheerleaders? And only winning? Really? Guess that didn't work out for you so you're passing along those life goals to your son. Yes; I am sure your kid will end up going to 13th grade at the local community college and not think about lax as a springboard to A great education.
You're a funny guy. As far as I'm concerned; all of these 91 commits are already winners. And where do you personally and your son stack up with those creds? Sounds like your wet dream ended up with your teeth kicked in
:-)

My experience ended making D1 All-America at an ACC school all four years and being an NCAA champion. Do something to be the best you can be. Achieve, accomplish and walk away fulfilled with no regrets. I didn't need to dream it, I lived it and I pass down the importance of substance over hype to my son who is doing just fine thank you. It is really ok that they are already winners in your hearts...just don't look up at the scoreboard. That thing never lied to me and told me exactly where I stood. Kids with character can take that and be fueled to go better. Losers walk to the parking lot talking about being committed hoping someone will overhear and care. That must feel great before hitting the I-95 North. [/quote]

Long Island or Baltimore Dad? UNC player?

Not lacrosse and not UNC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

My experience ended making D1 All-America at an ACC school all four years and being an NCAA champion. Do something to be the best you can be. Achieve, accomplish and walk away fulfilled with no regrets. I didn't need to dream it, I lived it and I pass down the importance of substance over hype to my son who is doing just fine thank you. It is really ok that they are already winners in your hearts...just don't look up at the scoreboard. That thing never lied to me and told me exactly where I stood. Kids with character can take that and be fueled to go better. Losers walk to the parking lot talking about being committed hoping someone will overhear and care. That must feel great before hitting the I-95 North.

Biff: are you expounding these virtues to your poor son on the way home after getting his teams butt kicked by the turtles? Guess he didn't get your point. Didn't try hard enough. Why don't you just go out there and see if you can beat them for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not lacrosse and not UNC

We're taking all of this smack from a soccer player?? Really??

Pffftt.....done

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 91 parents not consider Hopkins to be a top level academic school?

It sure is but how many lax players go there and take full
Advantage of that academic sphere?

I'd venture less than 10%.

Reading these ridiculous posts by hateful spiteful long island lacrosse dads. It is both comical and sad that you think you are such experts with regards to academia. First of all choosing a school is about finding the place where a kid can thrive be happy and translate into success. There are plenty of kids who turn down a commit to the "application process at an Ivy" to attend another school that they find more suitable. You need to do your research there are plenty of non-ivy schools where you can get a great education. The kids that are successful afterwords will be the ones that thrived and were happy in the right environment.

And for the guy that says UVA and Duke are not comparable you just uninformed. UVA, and Michigan like UCLA and UC-Berkeley are known as "public ivies" for a reason. They are comparable both academically and research wise to the ivies and other privates such as Duke. UVA is very much comparable to Duke.

And if you think your doing pre-med or engineering at any D1 lacrosse school ivy or not on the 4 year plan you are really not seeing reality. Your kid will either be taking summer classes every year and/or do a 5th or 6th year ...that you will have to pay for. Also summer classes are not covered with scholarship money.

sure glad I dont live on Long Island have to stand on the sidelines with you guys

Sorry UVA and Mich not in same league as Duke and that is not even taking into consideration that they are 2x champs. Just a much better school altogether. But don't listen to me, check the rankings! Please stop trying to justify that your school is in the same league. Just like me saying Duke is the same as Princeton. Not

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So in summary you'd all club a baby seal to be able to say your kid is a UVa or a Duke or a UNC early commit, but you think grads of those schools are underemployed drunks who are PE teachers or lacrosse coaches after graduation. Makes perfect sense.

Not UVA or UNC!!! Harvard, yes after top 20, 21-75 all the same!

The Turtles are something to admire and aspire to compete better against. Yes, my son's team took some losses against them. No shame in taking the fight against the best and then going back to prepare to come again and do better. That's what winners do. Losers like to remind you about how many commits they have after an oh for three Sunday. Is that your best shot? Biff

Hang it up, Biff. You're alread owned.

Go practice soccer......pffffttt.......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 91 parents not consider Hopkins to be a top level academic school?

It sure is but how many lax players go there and take full
Advantage of that academic sphere?

I'd venture less than 10%.

Reading these ridiculous posts by hateful spiteful long island lacrosse dads. It is both comical and sad that you think you are such experts with regards to academia. First of all choosing a school is about finding the place where a kid can thrive be happy and translate into success. There are plenty of kids who turn down a commit to the "application process at an Ivy" to attend another school that they find more suitable. You need to do your research there are plenty of non-ivy schools where you can get a great education. The kids that are successful afterwords will be the ones that thrived and were happy in the right environment.

And for the guy that says UVA and Duke are not comparable you just uninformed. UVA, and Michigan like UCLA and UC-Berkeley are known as "public ivies" for a reason. They are comparable both academically and research wise to the ivies and other privates such as Duke. UVA is very much comparable to Duke.

And if you think your doing pre-med or engineering at any D1 lacrosse school ivy or not on the 4 year plan you are really not seeing reality. Your kid will either be taking summer classes every year and/or do a 5th or 6th year ...that you will have to pay for. Also summer classes are not covered with scholarship money.

sure glad I dont live on Long Island have to stand on the sidelines with you guys

Sorry UVA and Mich not in same league as Duke and that is not even taking into consideration that they are 2x champs. Just a much better school altogether. But don't listen to me, check the rankings! Please stop trying to justify that your school is in the same league. Just like me saying Duke is the same as Princeton. Not

I think YOU should look at the rankings business, global, grad school etc. educate yourself!!!! Then look at top feeders to Wall Street and to top grad schools. They are all peer institutions. But I guess you know better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 91 parents not consider Hopkins to be a top level academic school?

It sure is but how many lax players go there and take full
Advantage of that academic sphere?

I'd venture less than 10%.

Reading these ridiculous posts by hateful spiteful long island lacrosse dads. It is both comical and sad that you think you are such experts with regards to academia. First of all choosing a school is about finding the place where a kid can thrive be happy and translate into success. There are plenty of kids who turn down a commit to the "application process at an Ivy" to attend another school that they find more suitable. You need to do your research there are plenty of non-ivy schools where you can get a great education. The kids that are successful afterwords will be the ones that thrived and were happy in the right environment.

And for the guy that says UVA and Duke are not comparable you just uninformed. UVA, and Michigan like UCLA and UC-Berkeley are known as "public ivies" for a reason. They are comparable both academically and research wise to the ivies and other privates such as Duke. UVA is very much comparable to Duke.

And if you think your doing pre-med or engineering at any D1 lacrosse school ivy or not on the 4 year plan you are really not seeing reality. Your kid will either be taking summer classes every year and/or do a 5th or 6th year ...that you will have to pay for. Also summer classes are not covered with scholarship money.

sure glad I dont live on Long Island have to stand on the sidelines with you guys

Sorry UVA and Mich not in same league as Duke and that is not even taking into consideration that they are 2x champs. Just a much better school altogether. But don't listen to me, check the rankings! Please stop trying to justify that your school is in the same league. Just like me saying Duke is the same as Princeton. Not

I think YOU should look at the rankings business, global, grad school etc. educate yourself!!!! Then look at top feeders to Wall Street and to top grad schools. They are all peer institutions. But I guess you know better.

Not me, this is according to the organizations that do rankings. US news and world report, etc..... Sorry!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 91 parents not consider Hopkins to be a top level academic school?

It sure is but how many lax players go there and take full
Advantage of that academic sphere?

I'd venture less than 10%.

Reading these ridiculous posts by hateful spiteful long island lacrosse dads. It is both comical and sad that you think you are such experts with regards to academia. First of all choosing a school is about finding the place where a kid can thrive be happy and translate into success. There are plenty of kids who turn down a commit to the "application process at an Ivy" to attend another school that they find more suitable. You need to do your research there are plenty of non-ivy schools where you can get a great education. The kids that are successful afterwords will be the ones that thrived and were happy in the right environment.

And for the guy that says UVA and Duke are not comparable you just uninformed. UVA, and Michigan like UCLA and UC-Berkeley are known as "public ivies" for a reason. They are comparable both academically and research wise to the ivies and other privates such as Duke. UVA is very much comparable to Duke.

And if you think your doing pre-med or engineering at any D1 lacrosse school ivy or not on the 4 year plan you are really not seeing reality. Your kid will either be taking summer classes every year and/or do a 5th or 6th year ...that you will have to pay for. Also summer classes are not covered with scholarship money.

sure glad I dont live on Long Island have to stand on the sidelines with you guys

Sorry UVA and Mich not in same league as Duke and that is not even taking into consideration that they are 2x champs. Just a much better school altogether. But don't listen to me, check the rankings! Please stop trying to justify that your school is in the same league. Just like me saying Duke is the same as Princeton. Not

I think YOU should look at the rankings business, global, grad school etc. educate yourself!!!! Then look at top feeders to Wall Street and to top grad schools. They are all peer institutions. But I guess you know better.

So the lacrosse recruits have already been accepted to grad school. Hahahaha please! Most will not even make it into business school!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 91 parents not consider Hopkins to be a top level academic school?

It sure is but how many lax players go there and take full
Advantage of that academic sphere?

I'd venture less than 10%.

Reading these ridiculous posts by hateful spiteful long island lacrosse dads. It is both comical and sad that you think you are such experts with regards to academia. First of all choosing a school is about finding the place where a kid can thrive be happy and translate into success. There are plenty of kids who turn down a commit to the "application process at an Ivy" to attend another school that they find more suitable. You need to do your research there are plenty of non-ivy schools where you can get a great education. The kids that are successful afterwords will be the ones that thrived and were happy in the right environment.

And for the guy that says UVA and Duke are not comparable you just uninformed. UVA, and Michigan like UCLA and UC-Berkeley are known as "public ivies" for a reason. They are comparable both academically and research wise to the ivies and other privates such as Duke. UVA is very much comparable to Duke.

And if you think your doing pre-med or engineering at any D1 lacrosse school ivy or not on the 4 year plan you are really not seeing reality. Your kid will either be taking summer classes every year and/or do a 5th or 6th year ...that you will have to pay for. Also summer classes are not covered with scholarship money.

sure glad I dont live on Long Island have to stand on the sidelines with you guys

Sorry UVA and Mich not in same league as Duke and that is not even taking into consideration that they are 2x champs. Just a much better school altogether. But don't listen to me, check the rankings! Please stop trying to justify that your school is in the same league. Just like me saying Duke is the same as Princeton. Not

Actually Hedge Fund Firms and Wall Street firms recruit more graduates from Penn State more than anywhere else?? Strange but true

Just saw a tweet that sweetlax 2017 is up to 13 D1 commits to top schools. Looks like Turtles and 91 are really not anything special. Others clubs claiming the same numders!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw a tweet that sweetlax 2017 is up to 13 D1 commits to top schools. Looks like Turtles and 91 are really not anything special. Others clubs claiming the same numders!

Sweet lax love to see those dob's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw a tweet that sweetlax 2017 is up to 13 D1 commits to top schools. Looks like Turtles and 91 are really not anything special. Others clubs claiming the same numders!

I would hope so!! No one here ever stated that TT or 91 had the market cornered. In fact; the whole concept and thread is absurd. The bottom line is that TT has great players who have the added benefit of playing together for years and it show with their amazing success.

The 91 team is composed of fragments of several ex turtles, fl$, GC,express and numerous others who were standouts in their own rights; yet have not the benefit of the time to develop the chemistry required to be at the level that they are used to previously and expected to right out of the box. Given ample time; these players given their considerable skills would be a formidable opponent to any team.

Add in the usual conspiring lateral interests and obligations and this team is always climbing uphill trying to define itself with the given plethora of abilities across the board. Had they been together for a longer period of time; the results would mimic those of the esteemed TT's.

So...the DMV should just back off. The skills thes kids display individually are the reasons they have such a fine recruiting class. The college coaches see this and have awarded them as they have seen fit. The lack of team chemistry prevailing; has not left this team bereft of talent that accords them the accolades they have received.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw a tweet that sweetlax 2017 is up to 13 D1 commits to top schools. Looks like Turtles and 91 are really not anything special. Others clubs claiming the same numders!

Sweet lax love to see those dob's.

Men amongst boys. A team of mercenaries in the vein of the FCA taken to new levels. My kid was asked several times to join both. I am sure many on this board have been approached as well. They will use your kid to better their name but promote only those from within. It's as transparent as crystal and anyone who falls for that tripe will be taken for a ride.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 91 parents not consider Hopkins to be a top level academic school?

It sure is but how many lax players go there and take full
Advantage of that academic sphere?

I'd venture less than 10%.

Reading these ridiculous posts by hateful spiteful long island lacrosse dads. It is both comical and sad that you think you are such experts with regards to academia. First of all choosing a school is about finding the place where a kid can thrive be happy and translate into success. There are plenty of kids who turn down a commit to the "application process at an Ivy" to attend another school that they find more suitable. You need to do your research there are plenty of non-ivy schools where you can get a great education. The kids that are successful afterwords will be the ones that thrived and were happy in the right environment.

And for the guy that says UVA and Duke are not comparable you just uninformed. UVA, and Michigan like UCLA and UC-Berkeley are known as "public ivies" for a reason. They are comparable both academically and research wise to the ivies and other privates such as Duke. UVA is very much comparable to Duke.

And if you think your doing pre-med or engineering at any D1 lacrosse school ivy or not on the 4 year plan you are really not seeing reality. Your kid will either be taking summer classes every year and/or do a 5th or 6th year ...that you will have to pay for. Also summer classes are not covered with scholarship money.

sure glad I dont live on Long Island have to stand on the sidelines with you guys

Sorry UVA and Mich not in same league as Duke and that is not even taking into consideration that they are 2x champs. Just a much better school altogether. But don't listen to me, check the rankings! Please stop trying to justify that your school is in the same league. Just like me saying Duke is the same as Princeton. Not

Actually Hedge Fund Firms and Wall Street firms recruit more graduates from Penn State more than anywhere else?? Strange but true

Source??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw a tweet that sweetlax 2017 is up to 13 D1 commits to top schools. Looks like Turtles and 91 are really not anything special. Others clubs claiming the same numders!

Sweet lax love to see those dob's.

Men amongst boys. A team of mercenaries in the vein of the FCA taken to new levels. My kid was asked several times to join both. I am sure many on this board have been approached as well. They will use your kid to better their name but promote only those from within. It's as transparent as crystal and anyone who falls for that tripe will be taken for a ride.

CORRECT. Sweetlax isn't really a "team". Its like what Crabs use to do with a rotating roster, we see how well that is working for the Crabs now (NOT!). Sweetlax wants the to USE the kids from Long Island, NJ or Conn to grab their better kids from Upstate (that is where Sweetlax is based).

You can play ONE tournament for them and they will slap your sons name, HS & college he is committed to on THEIR SITE. Turned us off last year (my kid is a 2016) and we bailed quick.

The 91 team is composed of fragments of several ex turtles, fl$, GC,express and numerous others who were standouts in their own rights; yet have not the benefit of the time to develop the chemistry required to be at the level that they are used to previously and expected to right out of the box. Given ample time; these players given their considerable skills would be a formidable opponent to any team.

Add in the usual conspiring lateral interests and obligations and this team is always climbing uphill trying to define itself with the given plethora of abilities across the board. Had they been together for a longer period of time; the results would mimic those of the esteemed TT's.

So...the DMV should just back off. The skills thes kids display individually are the reasons they have such a fine recruiting class. The college coaches see this and have awarded them as they have seen fit. The lack of team chemistry prevailing; has not left this team bereft of talent that accords them the accolades they have received. [/quote]

Pathetic, but if that helps you cope then stay with the story. Strong lacrosse players are strong lacrosse players. The top teams in the DMV and in Maryland turn players over a lot too, Crabs will cut and add 4-5 every cycle. So there are plenty of ex-Crabs, ex-other club kids hooking on elsewhere or changing clubs for their own reasons. One thing travels with them: their ability. Any collection of 10 players on the field would be a formidable opponent if they had great players and played well. Neither is the case with your team, and be grateful your club owner and coach is a great salesman to sell kids off to D1 programs. Nobody's eyes are fooling them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw a tweet that sweetlax 2017 is up to 13 D1 commits to top schools. Looks like Turtles and 91 are really not anything special. Others clubs claiming the same numders!

Sweet lax love to see those dob's.

Men amongst boys. A team of mercenaries in the vein of the FCA taken to new levels. My kid was asked several times to join both. I am sure many on this board have been approached as well. They will use your kid to better their name but promote only those from within. It's as transparent as crystal and anyone who falls for that tripe will be taken for a ride.

CORRECT. Sweetlax isn't really a "team". Its like what Crabs use to do with a rotating roster, we see how well that is working for the Crabs now (NOT!). Sweetlax wants the to USE the kids from Long Island, NJ or Conn to grab their better kids from Upstate (that is where Sweetlax is based).

You can play ONE tournament for them and they will slap your sons name, HS & college he is committed to on THEIR SITE. Turned us off last year (my kid is a 2016) and we bailed quick.

So you are saying they are like fca, west coast stars, 3d, etc. Didn't some turtles play for FCA last summer? Why us it bad to have an invite only team? Isn't that what happens when you are recruited by a college?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw a tweet that sweetlax 2017 is up to 13 D1 commits to top schools. Looks like Turtles and 91 are really not anything special. Others clubs claiming the same numders!

Sweet lax love to see those dob's.

Men amongst boys. A team of mercenaries in the vein of the FCA taken to new levels. My kid was asked several times to join both. I am sure many on this board have been approached as well. They will use your kid to better their name but promote only those from within. It's as transparent as crystal and anyone who falls for that tripe will be taken for a ride.

CORRECT. Sweetlax isn't really a "team". Its like what Crabs use to do with a rotating roster, we see how well that is working for the Crabs now (NOT!). Sweetlax wants the to USE the kids from Long Island, NJ or Conn to grab their better kids from Upstate (that is where Sweetlax is based).

You can play ONE tournament for them and they will slap your sons name, HS & college he is committed to on THEIR SITE. Turned us off last year (my kid is a 2016) and we bailed quick.

So you are saying they are like fca, west coast stars, 3d, etc. Didn't some turtles play for FCA last summer? Why us it bad to have an invite only team? Isn't that what happens when you are recruited by a college?

Well said, anyone given the opportunity to play on one of those teams would jump at the chance.

Yea if I get the invite I'm taking it ! I have no morals so I'm not affected.

Several Turtles didnt make the maverick all star game last Summer. Much tougher when its individual.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 91 team is composed of fragments of several ex turtles, fl$, GC,express and numerous others who were standouts in their own rights; yet have not the benefit of the time to develop the chemistry required to be at the level that they are used to previously and expected to right out of the box. Given ample time; these players given their considerable skills would be a formidable opponent to any team.

Add in the usual conspiring lateral interests and obligations and this team is always climbing uphill trying to define itself with the given plethora of abilities across the board. Had they been together for a longer period of time; the results would mimic those of the esteemed TT's.

So...the DMV should just back off. The skills thes kids display individually are the reasons they have such a fine recruiting class. The college coaches see this and have awarded them as they have seen fit. The lack of team chemistry prevailing; has not left this team bereft of talent that accords them the accolades they have received.

Pathetic, but if that helps you cope then stay with the story. Strong lacrosse players are strong lacrosse players. The top teams in the DMV and in Maryland turn players over a lot too, Crabs will cut and add 4-5 every cycle. So there are plenty of ex-Crabs, ex-other club kids hooking on elsewhere or changing clubs for their own reasons. One thing travels with them: their ability. Any collection of 10 players on the field would be a formidable opponent if they had great players and played well. Neither is the case with your team, and be grateful your club owner and coach is a great salesman to sell kids off to D1 programs. Nobody's eyes are fooling them. [/quote]

So, in your view; all of those D1 coaches have had the wool pulled over their eyes and they are totally incompetent judges Of lax talent And ability.
Really? Why don't you just call all of them up and inform them all of their collective folly!

What an [lacrosse]. Really.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Several Turtles didnt make the maverick all star game last Summer. Much tougher when its individual.

Also
Much tougher for them when club coaches were the team coaches at maverivk. Not too much nepotism in that selection process.

so let me get this straight, FCA, sweetlax, and WCS to name a few add and subtract new players each year, sometimes each tournament, and they're still able to competitive???
There goes your "if we were together longer" argument.
Good players=good team.
91 is more like the land of misfit toys. From this point on we will refer to JM as Santa

Team 91 is just an enigma then. Not a very good team, no strong on defense midfield or offense, lose games to average 3d regional teams at 3d tournaments, get bombed at Crabs or Adrenaline tournaments. Maybe they have really bad team chemistry, but isn't that what you guys call kids with lacrosse IQ? My son played at Maverik with Turtles and at some prospect events last year. All the great players show out and make the other kids on their squad better. I guess some of us like me really don't get how such an abysmal team can place so many kids high. Great salesmanship, we all agree there.

Team 91 is a lot like Roughriders in Maryland. Bad teams, maybe two high level kids on teams yet Roughriders always seem to fill up D1 commit lists and put tons of kids on UA Underclass teams. There are certainly clubs with a lot of muscle and credibility flexing and getting accolades steered to their kids regardless of ability. As a Roughriders dad said, that's why we pay the bigger bucks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Several Turtles didnt make the maverick all star game last Summer. Much tougher when its individual.

Also
Much tougher for them when club coaches were the team coaches at maverivk. Not too much nepotism in that selection process.

How did Turtles do playing for FCA?

In addition to the Maverik all-stars, let's not forget that the Turtle-loaded FCA team was a complete flop at U15s. Is it fair to question the individual talent of these boys like you did about the players on 91? It seems a little tougher when they leave the bale, huh?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so let me get this straight, FCA, sweetlax, and WCS to name a few add and subtract new players each year, sometimes each tournament, and they're still able to competitive???
There goes your "if we were together longer" argument.
Good players=good team.
91 is more like the land of misfit toys. From this point on we will refer to JM as Santa

The green color of pure envy is just bleeding off of my screen from the DMV 😉

Keep crying😢 about our commits and Keep trying boys...and don't worry; your kids will be working for our 91 boys someday!

And THAT is the final word!😜

Is Maverik basically LI, Upstate + other Tri-State? It seems very few kids from outside the NE corridor go to that thing. Not to say that it isn't a great event, but is it more or less a best-of-best from NorthEast? Very few kids in MD, DMV or other mid-Atlantic usual suspects went. A few Philly kids my son knew, and my son went but it struck me as a very regional event. Very high end, but also NE concentrated. Why is that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Several Turtles didnt make the maverick all star game last Summer. Much tougher when its individual.

Maverick all-star game? Several of those kids who DID make the all star team there are STILL NOT COMMITTED ANYWHERE. Some even reclassify to 2018's. Every single turtle has had a very strong freshman year in their different High School teams, be assured that the turtles play just fine when not together. Just ask all those different D1 coaches whom committed them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The green color of pure envy is just bleeding off of my screen from the DMV 😉

Keep crying😢 about our commits and Keep trying boys...and don't worry; your kids will be working for our 91 boys someday!

And THAT is the final word!😜

Oh god, what a tool. Go away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw a tweet that sweetlax 2017 is up to 13 D1 commits to top schools. Looks like Turtles and 91 are really not anything special. Others clubs claiming the same numders!

Sweet lax love to see those dob's.

Men amongst boys. A team of mercenaries in the vein of the FCA taken to new levels. My kid was asked several times to join both. I am sure many on this board have been approached as well. They will use your kid to better their name but promote only those from within. It's as transparent as crystal and anyone who falls for that tripe will be taken for a ride.

CORRECT. Sweetlax isn't really a "team". Its like what Crabs use to do with a rotating roster, we see how well that is working for the Crabs now (NOT!). Sweetlax wants the to USE the kids from Long Island, NJ or Conn to grab their better kids from Upstate (that is where Sweetlax is based).

You can play ONE tournament for them and they will slap your sons name, HS & college he is committed to on THEIR SITE. Turned us off last year (my kid is a 2016) and we bailed quick.

So you are saying they are like fca, west coast stars, 3d, etc. Didn't some turtles play for FCA last summer? Why us it bad to have an invite only team? Isn't that what happens when you are recruited by a college?

Not saying that at all. FCA doesn't flaunt "D1 Commits" that play ONE GAME with FCA. Nor does 3D or WCS. So learn the landscape before you come off like an idiot. No problem with an "invite only team", but Sweetlax does it different. They are all about pushing all these D1 committed players who DONT play for Sweetlax on a regular basis.

And yes many of the Turtles played in Denver for FCA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Several Turtles didnt make the maverick all star game last Summer. Much tougher when its individual.

Maverick all-star game? Several of those kids who DID make the all star team there are STILL NOT COMMITTED ANYWHERE. Some even reclassify to 2018's. Every single turtle has had a very strong freshman year in their different High School teams, be assured that the turtles play just fine when not together. Just ask all those different D1 coaches whom committed them.

Every single one? Are you sure about that?? pretty sure some rarely stepped on field!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The green color of pure envy is just bleeding off of my screen from the DMV 😉

Keep crying😢 about our commits and Keep trying boys...and don't worry; your kids will be working for our 91 boys someday!

And THAT is the final word!😜

Need a tissue? The scoreboard is the only honest arbiter in sports. After all the shouting about team chemistry, kids playing a fall sport, bad officiating, too much time in between games on a cold day, or other excuses the scoreboard says you were this many goals better or worse than the opponent today. Turtles don't seem to have an issue with that. My son's team - which has lost to Turtles a few times - has no issue with that.

Now the really bad news: the scoreboard follows these kids all through HS and college and beyond. Technically, life after college is a scoreboard too with jobs and salaries and the rest of it. Every 40 something year old LOSER I know sounds a lot like a Team 91 dad rationalizing mediocrity and celebrating the phony.

Thanks for playin, Biff

Just so everyone knows, FCA does put together "tournament teams" but they also have local teams based out of Baltimore. FCA Blue and FCA White at each grade level beginning with 2017.
FCA Blue is the team with the commits and they do not flaunt them. In fact at most of these fall tournaments, they are focused on getting the non-commited kids their looks and not worried about winning.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw a tweet that sweetlax 2017 is up to 13 D1 commits to top schools. Looks like Turtles and 91 are really not anything special. Others clubs claiming the same numders!

Sweet lax love to see those dob's.

Men amongst boys. A team of mercenaries in the vein of the FCA taken to new levels. My kid was asked several times to join both. I am sure many on this board have been approached as well. They will use your kid to better their name but promote only those from within. It's as transparent as crystal and anyone who falls for that tripe will be taken for a ride.

CORRECT. Sweetlax isn't really a "team". Its like what Crabs use to do with a rotating roster, we see how well that is working for the Crabs now (NOT!). Sweetlax wants the to USE the kids from Long Island, NJ or Conn to grab their better kids from Upstate (that is where Sweetlax is based).

You can play ONE tournament for them and they will slap your sons name, HS & college he is committed to on THEIR SITE. Turned us off last year (my kid is a 2016) and we bailed quick.

So you are saying they are like fca, west coast stars, 3d, etc. Didn't some turtles play for FCA last summer? Why us it bad to have an invite only team? Isn't that what happens when you are recruited by a college?

Not saying that at all. FCA doesn't flaunt "D1 Commits" that play ONE GAME with FCA. Nor does 3D or WCS. So learn the landscape before you come off like an idiot. No problem with an "invite only team", but Sweetlax does it different. They are all about pushing all these D1 committed players who DONT play for Sweetlax on a regular basis.

And yes many of the Turtles played in Denver for FCA.

And? Why do you care so much? Don't see a problem here. Some kids just like to play on competitive teams and get to know other commits they will be playing with and against in college any chance they get. I don't see anything being pushed but good competitive lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw a tweet that sweetlax 2017 is up to 13 D1 commits to top schools. Looks like Turtles and 91 are really not anything special. Others clubs claiming the same numders!

Sweet lax love to see those dob's.

Men amongst boys. A team of mercenaries in the vein of the FCA taken to new levels. My kid was asked several times to join both. I am sure many on this board have been approached as well. They will use your kid to better their name but promote only those from within. It's as transparent as crystal and anyone who falls for that tripe will be taken for a ride.

CORRECT. Sweetlax isn't really a "team". Its like what Crabs use to do with a rotating roster, we see how well that is working for the Crabs now (NOT!). Sweetlax wants the to USE the kids from Long Island, NJ or Conn to grab their better kids from Upstate (that is where Sweetlax is based).

You can play ONE tournament for them and they will slap your sons name, HS & college he is committed to on THEIR SITE. Turned us off last year (my kid is a 2016) and we bailed quick.

So you are saying they are like fca, west coast stars, 3d, etc. Didn't some turtles play for FCA last summer? Why us it bad to have an invite only team? Isn't that what happens when you are recruited by a college?

Not saying that at all. FCA doesn't flaunt "D1 Commits" that play ONE GAME with FCA. Nor does 3D or WCS. So learn the landscape before you come off like an idiot. No problem with an "invite only team", but Sweetlax does it different. They are all about pushing all these D1 committed players who DONT play for Sweetlax on a regular basis.

And yes many of the Turtles played in Denver for FCA.

Who cares!!! And so what. If your committed the kids should play where they want!!!!! Why do you have a problem with that. I know why ....because you are nuts!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Several Turtles didnt make the maverick all star game last Summer. Much tougher when its individual.

Maverick all-star game? Several of those kids who DID make the all star team there are STILL NOT COMMITTED ANYWHERE. Some even reclassify to 2018's. Every single turtle has had a very strong freshman year in their different High School teams, be assured that the turtles play just fine when not together. Just ask all those different D1 coaches whom committed them.

Every single one? Are you sure about that?? pretty sure some rarely stepped on field!

False. Many played & started on Varsity, some started & excelled on JV. And the SA & Chaminade turtles all started on their freshman teams (thats the catholics system) except goalie whom started on SA JV.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just so everyone knows, FCA does put together "tournament teams" but they also have local teams based out of Baltimore. FCA Blue and FCA White at each grade level beginning with 2017.
FCA Blue is the team with the commits and they do not flaunt them. In fact at most of these fall tournaments, they are focused on getting the non-commited kids their looks and not worried about winning.

Flaunt them like the Turtles do posting them on website and blogs? Haha the hypocrisy is astounding!

Who cares!!! And so what. If your committed the kids should play where they want!!!!! Why do you have a problem with that. I know why ....because you are nuts!!! [/quote]

1- You CARE because you not on take the time to be on this site but you read this post AND replied!

2- Why is it always people coming on here saying to people "your nuts" or "get a life" or "who cares".

3- Point was the Sweetlax club is miss leading people, that was the POINT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw a tweet that sweetlax 2017 is up to 13 D1 commits to top schools. Looks like Turtles and 91 are really not anything special. Others clubs claiming the same numders!

Sweet lax love to see those dob's.

Men amongst boys. A team of mercenaries in the vein of the FCA taken to new levels. My kid was asked several times to join both. I am sure many on this board have been approached as well. They will use your kid to better their name but promote only those from within. It's as transparent as crystal and anyone who falls for that tripe will be taken for a ride.

CORRECT. Sweetlax isn't really a "team". Its like what Crabs use to do with a rotating roster, we see how well that is working for the Crabs now (NOT!). Sweetlax wants the to USE the kids from Long Island, NJ or Conn to grab their better kids from Upstate (that is where Sweetlax is based).

You can play ONE tournament for them and they will slap your sons name, HS & college he is committed to on THEIR SITE. Turned us off last year (my kid is a 2016) and we bailed quick.

So you are saying they are like fca, west coast stars, 3d, etc. Didn't some turtles play for FCA last summer? Why us it bad to have an invite only team? Isn't that what happens when you are recruited by a college?

Not saying that at all. FCA doesn't flaunt "D1 Commits" that play ONE GAME with FCA. Nor does 3D or WCS. So learn the landscape before you come off like an idiot. No problem with an "invite only team", but Sweetlax does it different. They are all about pushing all these D1 committed players who DONT play for Sweetlax on a regular basis.

And yes many of the Turtles played in Denver for FCA.

Strongly disagree about 3D, they will list you on their site if you have played with them at all. 3D has a national team and "local teams". Local teams are made up of local kids who are paying plus kids they fly out to win the game. Sometimes the locals don't step on the field. Classification age is fluid. The corporate model is gaining recognition by winning and promoting high profile kids to get them recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The green color of pure envy is just bleeding off of my screen from the DMV 😉

Keep crying😢 about our commits and Keep trying boys...and don't worry; your kids will be working for our 91 boys someday!

And THAT is the final word!😜

Need a tissue? The scoreboard is the only honest arbiter in sports. After all the shouting about team chemistry, kids playing a fall sport, bad officiating, too much time in between games on a cold day, or other excuses the scoreboard says you were this many goals better or worse than the opponent today. Turtles don't seem to have an issue with that. My son's team - which has lost to Turtles a few times - has no issue with that.

Now the really bad news: the scoreboard follows these kids all through HS and college and beyond. Technically, life after college is a scoreboard too with jobs and salaries and the rest of it. Every 40 something year old LOSER I know sounds a lot like a Team 91 dad rationalizing mediocrity and celebrating the phony.

Thanks for playin, Biff

Clearly not able to grasp the fact that the scoreboard of life is already in their favor. The the commit score board, Biff!!
Where, pray tell, is your Minnie Biff Commited to? You sound so angry.
Get over it Big Biff.
Now go back to preaching to your son. Your rhetoric is not going over well here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just so everyone knows, FCA does put together "tournament teams" but they also have local teams based out of Baltimore. FCA Blue and FCA White at each grade level beginning with 2017.
FCA Blue is the team with the commits and they do not flaunt them. In fact at most of these fall tournaments, they are focused on getting the non-commited kids their looks and not worried about winning.

Flaunt them like the Turtles do posting them on website and blogs? Haha the hypocrisy is astounding!

Buddy, the TURTLES are a REGULAR TEAM of all Long Island players which has been together for years, with very little changes made to roster from the start.

It will be interesting to see who the survivors are in a few years. It seems like Adrenaline and 3d are the two that are major players in teams, events and other including video and recruiting bureaus. If you are running a major club but one of these two stops inviting you to tournaments, will that leverage these two have leverage over who gets weakened by them? Sure, Crabs and Dukes run good events but neither are beyond local or nearly as well capitalized and organized as Adrenaline and 3d.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see who the survivors are in a few years. It seems like Adrenaline and 3d are the two that are major players in teams, events and other including video and recruiting bureaus. If you are running a major club but one of these two stops inviting you to tournaments, will that leverage these two have leverage over who gets weakened by them? Sure, Crabs and Dukes run good events but neither are beyond local or nearly as well capitalized and organized as Adrenaline and 3d.

3D has certainly become a monster of a company and it would seem they have a chance to knock everyone off of the map. Their growth across the nation is viral at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see who the survivors are in a few years. It seems like Adrenaline and 3d are the two that are major players in teams, events and other including video and recruiting bureaus. If you are running a major club but one of these two stops inviting you to tournaments, will that leverage these two have leverage over who gets weakened by them? Sure, Crabs and Dukes run good events but neither are beyond local or nearly as well capitalized and organized as Adrenaline and 3d.

3D has certainly become a monster of a company and it would seem they have a chance to knock everyone off of the map. Their growth across the nation is viral at this point.

They do a great job with certain things, in some areas of the country players are moving away from their clubs because while they offer great instruction if you aren't one of the recognized stars you will be on the sidelines during tourneys. Some kids do like the team aspect of the sport, not having older kids and superstars come in from Canada and other parts of the US to ensure a win for your team. Parents don't want to pay big $ and travel costs to have junior watch his "team" win from the sideline. Like anything else, they have a place and are beneficial to some. They absolutely push reclassifying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see who the survivors are in a few years. It seems like Adrenaline and 3d are the two that are major players in teams, events and other including video and recruiting bureaus. If you are running a major club but one of these two stops inviting you to tournaments, will that leverage these two have leverage over who gets weakened by them? Sure, Crabs and Dukes run good events but neither are beyond local or nearly as well capitalized and organized as Adrenaline and 3d.

3D has certainly become a monster of a company and it would seem they have a chance to knock everyone off of the map. Their growth across the nation is viral at this point.

Couldn't agree more. When they come to Long Island it will be the last nail for Express.

...Sandusky

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 91 orange has very weak goalie play and that is the main reason such a talented team doesn't win games. Rather than take the best goalies at the tryouts JM keeps "his guys".

you are neglecting the attacks who don't pass, the middies who are weak as [lacrosse] who can't shoot, but swim into a crowd every time, and the dad keeps him on the field, and the defenders who fooled the recruiters a while back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 91 orange has very weak goalie play and that is the main reason such a talented team doesn't win games. Rather than take the best goalies at the tryouts JM keeps "his guys".

you are neglecting the attacks who don't pass, the middies who are weak as [lacrosse] who can't shoot, but swim into a crowd every time, and the dad keeps him on the field, and the defenders who fooled the recruiters a while back.

Hey, donkey

13 recruiters fooled so far. All top D1 programs and they all fooled every recruiter by being all stars at Maverick,philly showcase and winning the Brine nationals and going undefeated at JR, etc...fooled all of those showcase evaluators too!

Just face it donkey....your kid is not in the same caliber to be recuited by the likes of these schools as he doesn't have the ability to fool the head coaches of:

Yale
Penn x2
Cornell
Duke x2
Michigan
Notre dame
Georgetown
Boston university
Fairfield
Bucknell

Fooled everyone of these myopic D 1 coaches and their recruiting staffs and then will fool all of these schools into giving them degrees and then fool all of the top job recruiters into great spots in what ever field they choose. That's how you see it. Regular magicians they are!!

donkey (and I say that with all intended respect for those who have chosen to be mentally challenged)...The only fool here is you for making such a donkey statement and wasting bandwidth with your snide remarks.

(How's that big mouthful of jealousy tasting right about now?...why not wash it down with a tall glass of green envy tea, you [lacrosse]!...too bad you have to eat it everyday knowing that these kids fooled them all)

Yup...No hard work required by these kids nor years of dedication. They were just handed everything by being nice guys and saying ...,"oh, oh,....mr D1 coach, can I play for you??!?...pleeeeaaassse???"

Works every time, donkey.

Why can't you figure it out???.....oops, I forgot; your a donkey. You get a pass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 91 orange has very weak goalie play and that is the main reason such a talented team doesn't win games. Rather than take the best goalies at the tryouts JM keeps "his guys".

you are neglecting the attacks who don't pass, the middies who are weak as [lacrosse] who can't shoot, but swim into a crowd every time, and the dad keeps him on the field, and the defenders who fooled the recruiters a while back.

Hey, donkey

13 recruiters fooled so far. All top D1 programs and they all fooled every recruiter by being all stars at Maverick,philly showcase and winning the Brine nationals and going undefeated at JR, etc...fooled all of those showcase evaluators too!

Just face it donkey....your kid is not in the same caliber to be recuited by the likes of these schools as he doesn't have the ability to fool the head coaches of:

Yale
Penn x2
Cornell
Duke x2
Michigan
Notre dame
Georgetown
Boston university
Fairfield
Bucknell

Fooled everyone of these myopic D 1 coaches and their recruiting staffs and then will fool all of these schools into giving them degrees and then fool all of the top job recruiters into great spots in what ever field they choose. That's how you see it. Regular magicians they are!!

donkey (and I say that with all intended respect for those who have chosen to be mentally challenged)...The only fool here is you for making such a donkey statement and wasting bandwidth with your snide remarks.

(How's that big mouthful of jealousy tasting right about now?...why not wash it down with a tall glass of green envy tea, you [lacrosse]!...too bad you have to eat it everyday knowing that these kids fooled them all)

Yup...No hard work required by these kids nor years of dedication. They were just handed everything by being nice guys and saying ...,"oh, oh,....mr D1 coach, can I play for you??!?...pleeeeaaassse???"

Works every time, donkey.

Why can't you figure it out???.....oops, I forgot; your a donkey. You get a pass.

91...the Oakland Raiders or lax. If you cant win, intimidate until you get a rise in your shorts.

Could all of you low life fathers of mediocre children please stop talking s**t about FIFTEEN year olds who have excelled, from behind a computer screen! If you have an issue with a team, then talk to them in person. We know that you failed and accomplished nothing as a child and want your children to live the life you never did, but don't put down other children who worked their asses off to become great. It amazes me how people become so much tougher behind anonymous scree names. Now get a life.

Not clear why placing such importance on club teams winning at this age. I care more about being put in the position to be recruited by the great programs 91 kids are commited to than winning a single meaningless fall game for kids who don't practice together as a team
Winning fall games only means something to the parents or to programs like outlaws. The 91 kids will have plenty of time celebrating their ncaa victories soon enough. Then it will mean something

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 91 orange has very weak goalie play and that is the main reason such a talented team doesn't win games. Rather than take the best goalies at the tryouts JM keeps "his guys".

you are neglecting the attacks who don't pass, the middies who are weak as [lacrosse] who can't shoot, but swim into a crowd every time, and the dad keeps him on the field, and the defenders who fooled the recruiters a while back.

Hey, donkey

13 recruiters fooled so far. All top D1 programs and they all fooled every recruiter by being all stars at Maverick,philly showcase and winning the Brine nationals and going undefeated at JR, etc...fooled all of those showcase evaluators too!

Just face it donkey....your kid is not in the same caliber to be recuited by the likes of these schools as he doesn't have the ability to fool the head coaches of:

Yale
Penn x2
Cornell
Duke x2
Michigan
Notre dame
Georgetown
Boston university
Fairfield
Bucknell

Fooled everyone of these myopic D 1 coaches and their recruiting staffs and then will fool all of these schools into giving them degrees and then fool all of the top job recruiters into great spots in what ever field they choose. That's how you see it. Regular magicians they are!!

donkey (and I say that with all intended respect for those who have chosen to be mentally challenged)...The only fool here is you for making such a donkey statement and wasting bandwidth with your snide remarks.

(How's that big mouthful of jealousy tasting right about now?...why not wash it down with a tall glass of green envy tea, you [lacrosse]!...too bad you have to eat it everyday knowing that these kids fooled them all)

Yup...No hard work required by these kids nor years of dedication. They were just handed everything by being nice guys and saying ...,"oh, oh,....mr D1 coach, can I play for you??!?...pleeeeaaassse???"

Works every time, donkey.

Why can't you figure it out???.....oops, I forgot; your a donkey. You get a pass.

I do not get why it is that you both do not feel silly for the exchange. I do not understand it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not clear why placing such importance on club teams winning at this age. I care more about being put in the position to be recruited by the great programs 91 kids are commited to than winning a single meaningless fall game for kids who don't practice together as a team
Winning fall games only means something to the parents or to programs like outlaws. The 91 kids will have plenty of time celebrating their ncaa victories soon enough. Then it will mean something

Nobody was talking about fall games. 91 orange doesn't win any time of year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not clear why placing such importance on club teams winning at this age. I care more about being put in the position to be recruited by the great programs 91 kids are commited to than winning a single meaningless fall game for kids who don't practice together as a team
Winning fall games only means something to the parents or to programs like outlaws. The 91 kids will have plenty of time celebrating their ncaa victories soon enough. Then it will mean something

Nobody was talking about fall games. 91 orange doesn't win any time of year.

But their players are committed to the best schools. I don't see a problem here, except maybe your stage concern with winning a club game that nobody but crazy parents care about!

If there is a club team in a sport that plays 10 on the field and has 13 division one commits, and if that club played tournaments but consistently lost to mediocre teams with less than 5 commits I would not even need to fill in a blank on what that sport is to guess. In lacrosse you can suck and it can work out great if you patronize the right club team with the right salesmanship. Watch high level club soccer club play (boys or girls) or high level basketball AAU play, and it is OBVIOUS when a kid is blown up and out of their league. If there is a mistake to put them there, they get made and humiliated really fast. Lacrosse has a way of bearding reality. Let's be candid, if the 91 team was stocked with great players they would not have the abysmal record they do on the field. It just wouldn't happen. And All Star games are cute and all, but they are also contrived to give kids looks or exposure as needed with the club or prep school coaches cajoling for it. Every dad on this board has seen that over and again. Once my kid committed the All Star game nominates stopped cold because on his team there are a few kids still going out after the few that have committed. It's good for business and frankly even at Maverik or UA underclass tryouts it is more of the same. Quite honestly, yes...I think a lot of these kids are either being recruited tobe practice players for no bucks or those are the programs I'd sell short if there was a market for it. We're an above average 2017 team with three uncommitted middies who I would put ahead of any 91 middie committed or not. The debates should hard stop at performance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If there is a club team in a sport that plays 10 on the field and has 13 division one commits, and if that club played tournaments but consistently lost to mediocre teams with less than 5 commits I would not even need to fill in a blank on what that sport is to guess. In lacrosse you can suck and it can work out great if you patronize the right club team with the right salesmanship. Watch high level club soccer club play (boys or girls) or high level basketball AAU play, and it is OBVIOUS when a kid is blown up and out of their league. If there is a mistake to put them there, they get made and humiliated really fast. Lacrosse has a way of bearding reality. Let's be candid, if the 91 team was stocked with great players they would not have the abysmal record they do on the field. It just wouldn't happen. And All Star games are cute and all, but they are also contrived to give kids looks or exposure as needed with the club or prep school coaches cajoling for it. Every dad on this board has seen that over and again. Once my kid committed the All Star game nominates stopped cold because on his team there are a few kids still going out after the few that have committed. It's good for business and frankly even at Maverik or UA underclass tryouts it is more of the same. Quite honestly, yes...I think a lot of these kids are either being recruited tobe practice players for no bucks or those are the programs I'd sell short if there was a market for it. We're an above average 2017 team with three uncommitted middies who I would put ahead of any 91 middie committed or not. The debates should hard stop at performance.

Say you are right, which I am not saying that you are, but let's just say- doesn't it make sense to be on a team or club that can do so much for you? It might be good business, but in the end, kids are doing this not to play great youth lax, but to get something out of it- a scholarship, a better education, a school with better contacts etc. It makes sense to me to go with a club that has the ability to help produce the goal at the end. I doubt a single one of these players feel like they have been hurt playing for this team. They have all grown and gotten lots of exposure- leading to a fair number of commits to really good schools. I say hats of to this club and the team!

Club directors and coaches can certainly influence college coaches opinion's about a decent recruit. If the club coach has a track record of successful recruits playing DI, the college coaches are more apt to listen. Its when those kids don't pan out, the clubs lose their influence. Plenty new clubs are out there "selling" their kids to legitimize their businesses, and in the long run they'll be judged by those kids DI performance. We've all heard college coaches say how they don't recruit from certain clubs, states, HS's, etc. Burn me once shame on you, burn me twice.....

Any Philly Showcase scores?

To BOTC
Would you be able to forward the college coaches registered to attend the Fall Classic Showcase?
Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Philly Showcase scores?

Yeah, did Team 91 play?

Outlaws beat New Hampshire hawks and prime time - lost to 3 d national by one - finished fall 12- 1

In 10 years from now I will thank coach mule and 91 directors for helping my kid get a chance to graduate from duke yale penn Fairfield Michigan bucknell Cornell BU. Etc
I will have zero recollection at could care less how many games they won in summer of 2014 or fall or any other time.
Someone needs a reality check.
I sure hope you wish more for your kids so that the highlight of their life was their youth lacrosse wins and loss records
Your kids can't grow up until there parents do
Enjoy it while you can. 91 wins will be there in the years to come

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 10 years from now I will thank coach mule and 91 directors for helping my kid get a chance to graduate from duke yale penn Fairfield Michigan bucknell Cornell BU. Etc
I will have zero recollection at could care less how many games they won in summer of 2014 or fall or any other time.
Someone needs a reality check.
I sure hope you wish more for your kids so that the highlight of their life was their youth lacrosse wins and loss records
Your kids can't grow up until there parents do
Enjoy it while you can. 91 wins will be there in the years to come

You guys lost again, that stinks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws beat New Hampshire hawks and prime time - lost to 3 d national by one - finished fall 12- 1

How many newly minted 2017s on 3d national?

They played 3d New England - not national. Nice try buddy.

3d New England also handled 91 by a solid margin (4-5 goals?). Solid program. Would like to see them up against the Turtles.

Oh Boy, Dumb [lacrosse] I believe you meant, "of" not "or" if you are going to try and insult a team, any team for that matter, spell check, or proof read please, or maybe just don't say anything, better to be silent and fool people that you are smart then open one's mouth.

I'd say this about 3d New England, I saw them play summer 2013 then fall 2013 then this summer and fall and have also seen 3d Colorado and the 3d California teams. I thought very little of them earlier but now see those kids and teams have really developed and improved. One year ago I would have thought it was a joke if they were getting recruited heavily. Now I think these kids have blossomed so much you can't ignore it. We have some good teams here and MD and LI and upstate have some good teams, but a lot of those teams and their early commits are basically the same players they were in 8th grade. Turtles an exception. Now Crabs HS teams can't win their own watered down tournaments like the fall Autumn thing yesterday, and let's be straight...91 got worked pretty good by 3d New England and it was only for two reasons...the 3d team has better players and they play the game smarter with higher IQ for the game. They are well coached, skilled and play fast. If a college coach group was watching that game they'd have to consider pulling some offers and granting new ones if this type of developmental gap widens more. And we are not a 3d family, but believe me we are considering a change for our committed son to get better training and development. The clubs that are just all about showcasing and doing money grab events don't get it, and now I think I get it before it is too late. Get better or eventually expect bad surprises...like watching kids from 3d or C2C Texas or LB3 pass your kids by. LB3 actually gave Turtles a better first half than any other team this year. I think they were winning or tied at end of first half before Turtles revved. LB3 had some emerging players and take that seriously.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 10 years from now I will thank coach mule and 91 directors for helping my kid get a chance to graduate from duke yale penn Fairfield Michigan bucknell Cornell BU. Etc
I will have zero recollection at could care less how many games they won in summer of 2014 or fall or any other time.
Someone needs a reality check.
I sure hope you wish more for your kids so that the highlight of their life was their youth lacrosse wins and loss records
Your kids can't grow up until there parents do
Enjoy it while you can. 91 wins will be there in the years to come

You 91 parents are the best. Every forum here you brag about wins and how your teams are the best and then come on here and say you wish there was more for the other kids life than youth lacrosse wins. Well which is it? I am well aware of the recruiting showcase priorities - play competitive and get kids noticed. Winning is secondary but always a plus. You see, coaches come to see teams that play well and win. Also, you brag about your 15 D1 commits which is fantastic but avoid answering why, with all this talent, they fail to win. Any true player and coach wants to win every time they step on the field. Please understand I am not bashing these kids or their talent. Their committments I am sure (and know some personally) are well deserved. I am questioning why, for once, a 91 parent can't admit something to the effect of "we got outplayed" or "they were a better team today". A little humility goes a long way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 10 years from now I will thank coach mule and 91 directors for helping my kid get a chance to graduate from duke yale penn Fairfield Michigan bucknell Cornell BU. Etc
I will have zero recollection at could care less how many games they won in summer of 2014 or fall or any other time.
Someone needs a reality check.
I sure hope you wish more for your kids so that the highlight of their life was their youth lacrosse wins and loss records
Your kids can't grow up until there parents do
Enjoy it while you can. 91 wins will be there in the years to come

You 91 parents are the best. Every forum here you brag about wins and how your teams are the best and then come on here and say you wish there was more for the other kids life than youth lacrosse wins. Well which is it? I am well aware of the recruiting showcase priorities - play competitive and get kids noticed. Winning is secondary but always a plus. You see, coaches come to see teams that play well and win. Also, you brag about your 15 D1 commits which is fantastic but avoid answering why, with all this talent, they fail to win. Any true player and coach wants to win every time they step on the field. Please understand I am not bashing these kids or their talent. Their committments I am sure (and know some personally) are well deserved. I am questioning why, for once, a 91 parent can't admit something to the effect of "we got outplayed" or "they were a better team today". A little humility goes a long way.

Time to give up on the 91 dads. No matter what, there is always a story line on top of a five goal loss instead of they were just five goals better than us today. To those who are lost on the point that being a great lacrosse player is all about playing great lacrosse there isn't much you can do to save them from the bench later in their careers.

how many kids are uncommitted on 2017 91 Orange?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 10 years from now I will thank coach mule and 91 directors for helping my kid get a chance to graduate from duke yale penn Fairfield Michigan bucknell Cornell BU. Etc
I will have zero recollection at could care less how many games they won in summer of 2014 or fall or any other time.
Someone needs a reality check.
I sure hope you wish more for your kids so that the highlight of their life was their youth lacrosse wins and loss records
Your kids can't grow up until there parents do
Enjoy it while you can. 91 wins will be there in the years to come

You 91 parents are the best. Every forum here you brag about wins and how your teams are the best and then come on here and say you wish there was more for the other kids life than youth lacrosse wins. Well which is it? I am well aware of the recruiting showcase priorities - play competitive and get kids noticed. Winning is secondary but always a plus. You see, coaches come to see teams that play well and win. Also, you brag about your 15 D1 commits which is fantastic but avoid answering why, with all this talent, they fail to win. Any true player and coach wants to win every time they step on the field. Please understand I am not bashing these kids or their talent. Their committments I am sure (and know some personally) are well deserved. I am questioning why, for once, a 91 parent can't admit something to the effect of "we got outplayed" or "they were a better team today". A little humility goes a long way.

Don't you get it? Winning at club ball really doesn't matter anymore. It's a nice bonus, but my commited son on cares about his own performance. They could blow out every team, but if he does not play well, he considers himself a loser! Now, HS games are a little different story, because they actually count for something.

The 3d kids that you are saying are so much better then the LI boys, the 3 main kids from 3d that beat 91, are from Garden city, wow I guess 3d is such a great program that they have LI players. BTW at the 1/2 it was 3-2 3d was ahead, I will agree that 91 needs to step it up but I would pay more attention to the helmets then the 3d team name, remove the Garden city trio and that 3d team would not be the same. As far as a college "pulling a commitment", worry about your son and the shaky verbal you made, maybe the club you play with just isn't that good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 3d kids that you are saying are so much better then the LI boys, the 3 main kids from 3d that beat 91, are from Garden city, wow I guess 3d is such a great program that they have LI players. BTW at the 1/2 it was 3-2 3d was ahead, I will agree that 91 needs to step it up but I would pay more attention to the helmets then the 3d team name, remove the Garden city trio and that 3d team would not be the same. As far as a college "pulling a commitment", worry about your son and the shaky verbal you made, maybe the club you play with just isn't that good.

3d NE has had a couple LI kids for more than a year. And you'd like for everyone to know that 91 wasn't losing my much at halftime? Jeez. Maybe 91 kids have it made and the kids repeatedly showing them up on the field are on shaky ground, but that isn't where I see this going. If I was a D1 coach that used spots on 91 kids and saw that 3d game, I'd pound my assistants and their club ball owner buddy who fed me the hype sooner rather than later. I for one don't believe that coaches who have jobs on the line will roll with it if they watch some 2017 kids blow by the early commit kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They played 3d New England - not national. Nice try buddy.

3d New England also handled 91 by a solid margin (4-5 goals?). Solid program. Would like to see them up against the Turtles.

All the 3D teams are national, there is no such thing as a team they pick that plays all season together.

They fly in who ever is currently the kids they are pushing and sometimes claim they are reclassifying for that tourney to win games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 10 years from now I will thank coach mule and 91 directors for helping my kid get a chance to graduate from duke yale penn Fairfield Michigan bucknell Cornell BU. Etc
I will have zero recollection at could care less how many games they won in summer of 2014 or fall or any other time.
Someone needs a reality check.
I sure hope you wish more for your kids so that the highlight of their life was their youth lacrosse wins and loss records
Your kids can't grow up until there parents do
Enjoy it while you can. 91 wins will be there in the years to come

You 91 parents are the best. Every forum here you brag about wins and how your teams are the best and then come on here and say you wish there was more for the other kids life than youth lacrosse wins. Well which is it? I am well aware of the recruiting showcase priorities - play competitive and get kids noticed. Winning is secondary but always a plus. You see, coaches come to see teams that play well and win. Also, you brag about your 15 D1 commits which is fantastic but avoid answering why, with all this talent, they fail to win. Any true player and coach wants to win every time they step on the field. Please understand I am not bashing these kids or their talent. Their committments I am sure (and know some personally) are well deserved. I am questioning why, for once, a 91 parent can't admit something to the effect of "we got outplayed" or "they were a better team today". A little humility goes a long way.

Don't you get it? Winning at club ball really doesn't matter anymore. It's a nice bonus, but my commited son on cares about his own performance. They could blow out every team, but if he does not play well, he considers himself a loser! Now, HS games are a little different story, because they actually count for something.

My committed son DOES care if his club team wins or loses. He was taught at a young age, "if they keep SCORE it matters!". So, he has that mindset and his performance falls in place.

Why do you even show up.

Don't you get it? Winning at club ball really doesn't matter anymore. It's a nice bonus, but my commited son on cares about his own performance. They could blow out every team, but if he does not play well, he considers himself a loser! Now, HS games are a little different story, because they actually count for something [quote]

Well that says it all doesn't it- "my committed son only cares about his own performance."- How you gonna win like that? That mindset should be corrected immediately- showcase tournaments are no exception.

FCA took care of 3d New England yesterday 10-7. Big game for FCA committed OSU attackman.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA took care of 3d New England yesterday 10-7. Big game for FCA committed OSU attackman.

Nobody cares FCA attackman daddy, leave the promoting to Ty

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 10 years from now I will thank coach mule and 91 directors for helping my kid get a chance to graduate from duke yale penn Fairfield Michigan bucknell Cornell BU. Etc
I will have zero recollection at could care less how many games they won in summer of 2014 or fall or any other time.
Someone needs a reality check.
I sure hope you wish more for your kids so that the highlight of their life was their youth lacrosse wins and loss records
Your kids can't grow up until there parents do
Enjoy it while you can. 91 wins will be there in the years to come

You 91 parents are the best. Every forum here you brag about wins and how your teams are the best and then come on here and say you wish there was more for the other kids life than youth lacrosse wins. Well which is it? I am well aware of the recruiting showcase priorities - play competitive and get kids noticed. Winning is secondary but always a plus. You see, coaches come to see teams that play well and win. Also, you brag about your 15 D1 commits which is fantastic but avoid answering why, with all this talent, they fail to win. Any true player and coach wants to win every time they step on the field. Please understand I am not bashing these kids or their talent. Their committments I am sure (and know some personally) are well deserved. I am questioning why, for once, a 91 parent can't admit something to the effect of "we got outplayed" or "they were a better team today". A little humility goes a long way.

Don't you get it? Winning at club ball really doesn't matter anymore. It's a nice bonus, but my commited son on cares about his own performance. They could blow out every team, but if he does not play well, he considers himself a loser! Now, HS games are a little different story, because they actually count for something.

My committed son DOES care if his club team wins or loses. He was taught at a young age, "if they keep SCORE it matters!". So, he has that mindset and his performance falls in place.

Why do you even show up.

You show up to play your personal best. That's what counts most. Club ball is for recruiting exposure. HS wins, and of course later college, are they only ones that matter, sorry. Winning the tournament is meaningless when compared to being a county or state champion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't you get it? Winning at club ball really doesn't matter anymore. It's a nice bonus, but my commited son on cares about his own performance. They could blow out every team, but if he does not play well, he considers himself a loser! Now, HS games are a little different story, because they actually count for something [quote]

Well that says it all doesn't it- "my committed son only cares about his own performance."- How you gonna win like that? That mindset should be corrected immediately- showcase tournaments are no exception.

If my son does not perform well, not only does he let himself down, he let's his team down. He might even cost them the game. He knows he must step up everytime he steps on. Play his best. Mistakes will happen but are used as a learning experience. If all kids thought this way, the team will excell. Do you get in now?

Actually, express parent that happened to just see the game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 10 years from now I will thank coach mule and 91 directors for helping my kid get a chance to graduate from duke yale penn Fairfield Michigan bucknell Cornell BU. Etc
I will have zero recollection at could care less how many games they won in summer of 2014 or fall or any other time.
Someone needs a reality check.
I sure hope you wish more for your kids so that the highlight of their life was their youth lacrosse wins and loss records
Your kids can't grow up until there parents do
Enjoy it while you can. 91 wins will be there in the years to come

You 91 parents are the best. Every forum here you brag about wins and how your teams are the best and then come on here and say you wish there was more for the other kids life than youth lacrosse wins. Well which is it? I am well aware of the recruiting showcase priorities - play competitive and get kids noticed. Winning is secondary but always a plus. You see, coaches come to see teams that play well and win. Also, you brag about your 15 D1 commits which is fantastic but avoid answering why, with all this talent, they fail to win. Any true player and coach wants to win every time they step on the field. Please understand I am not bashing these kids or their talent. Their committments I am sure (and know some personally) are well deserved. I am questioning why, for once, a 91 parent can't admit something to the effect of "we got outplayed" or "they were a better team today". A little humility goes a long way.

Don't you get it? Winning at club ball really doesn't matter anymore. It's a nice bonus, but my commited son on cares about his own performance. They could blow out every team, but if he does not play well, he considers himself a loser! Now, HS games are a little different story, because they actually count for something.

I get that the priority is recruiting. I just want, for once, a 91 parent to admit they got outplayed or beat by a team that was better than them during that particular 55 minute game. It's always an excuse and now the excuse is "my son only cares about his own play". Just the attitude D1 coaches are not looking for!

Funny, sitting down with top D1 programs (Maryland, Syracuse, Bryant) during the recruiting process never once did a college coach ask, "What tournaments have you won, what was the score of those games..." they don't care, a lot of colleges look at other areas outside of travel to observe talent, showcases, HS games, tryouts for brine, jake reed. So who gives a crap about travel results, play hard, get better, get noticed. 91 will be fine, so what they haven't won lately, can not denny that the kids are getting committed from that program. Maybe they are strong players on there school team, or play great at showcases, in the end what matters the most? Fall Ball record or commits?

My committed son DOES care if his club team wins or loses. He was taught at a young age, "if they keep SCORE it matters!". So, he has that mindset and his performance falls in place.

Why do you even show up. [/quote]

Your son is well on his way to what matters...seeing the field and accomplishing a lot at the college level. You can bring the fight or you can sit and be a cheerleader. Kids who don't care about winning maybe should get a skirt on and some pom poms to practice up that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 10 years from now I will thank coach mule and 91 directors for helping my kid get a chance to graduate from duke yale penn Fairfield Michigan bucknell Cornell BU. Etc
I will have zero recollection at could care less how many games they won in summer of 2014 or fall or any other time.
Someone needs a reality check.
I sure hope you wish more for your kids so that the highlight of their life was their youth lacrosse wins and loss records
Your kids can't grow up until there parents do
Enjoy it while you can. 91 wins will be there in the years to come

You 91 parents are the best. Every forum here you brag about wins and how your teams are the best and then come on here and say you wish there was more for the other kids life than youth lacrosse wins. Well which is it? I am well aware of the recruiting showcase priorities - play competitive and get kids noticed. Winning is secondary but always a plus. You see, coaches come to see teams that play well and win. Also, you brag about your 15 D1 commits which is fantastic but avoid answering why, with all this talent, they fail to win. Any true player and coach wants to win every time they step on the field. Please understand I am not bashing these kids or their talent. Their committments I am sure (and know some personally) are well deserved. I am questioning why, for once, a 91 parent can't admit something to the effect of "we got outplayed" or "they were a better team today". A little humility goes a long way.

Don't you get it? Winning at club ball really doesn't matter anymore. It's a nice bonus, but my commited son on cares about his own performance. They could blow out every team, but if he does not play well, he considers himself a loser! Now, HS games are a little different story, because they actually count for something.

My committed son DOES care if his club team wins or loses. He was taught at a young age, "if they keep SCORE it matters!". So, he has that mindset and his performance falls in place.

Why do you even show up.

You show up to play your personal best. That's what counts most. Club ball is for recruiting exposure. HS wins, and of course later college, are they only ones that matter, sorry. Winning the tournament is meaningless when compared to being a county or state champion.

TEAM TEAM TEAM!!!! Colleges coaches NEED to see TEAM play!! Chemistry, share the ball & togetherness. That happens when you train and succeed with a CORE group of teammates. Your "personal best" is 2nd....no doubt.

Baseball is individualized event that your "personal best" trumps the rest. Team is key buddy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 10 years from now I will thank coach mule and 91 directors for helping my kid get a chance to graduate from duke yale penn Fairfield Michigan bucknell Cornell BU. Etc
I will have zero recollection at could care less how many games they won in summer of 2014 or fall or any other time.
Someone needs a reality check.
I sure hope you wish more for your kids so that the highlight of their life was their youth lacrosse wins and loss records
Your kids can't grow up until there parents do
Enjoy it while you can. 91 wins will be there in the years to come

You 91 parents are the best. Every forum here you brag about wins and how your teams are the best and then come on here and say you wish there was more for the other kids life than youth lacrosse wins. Well which is it? I am well aware of the recruiting showcase priorities - play competitive and get kids noticed. Winning is secondary but always a plus. You see, coaches come to see teams that play well and win. Also, you brag about your 15 D1 commits which is fantastic but avoid answering why, with all this talent, they fail to win. Any true player and coach wants to win every time they step on the field. Please understand I am not bashing these kids or their talent. Their committments I am sure (and know some personally) are well deserved. I am questioning why, for once, a 91 parent can't admit something to the effect of "we got outplayed" or "they were a better team today". A little humility goes a long way.

Don't you get it? Winning at club ball really doesn't matter anymore. It's a nice bonus, but my commited son on cares about his own performance. They could blow out every team, but if he does not play well, he considers himself a loser! Now, HS games are a little different story, because they actually count for something.

My committed son DOES care if his club team wins or loses. He was taught at a young age, "if they keep SCORE it matters!". So, he has that mindset and his performance falls in place.

Why do you even show up.

You show up to play your personal best. That's what counts most. Club ball is for recruiting exposure. HS wins, and of course later college, are they only ones that matter, sorry. Winning the tournament is meaningless when compared to being a county or state champion.

TEAM TEAM TEAM!!!! Colleges coaches NEED to see TEAM play!! Chemistry, share the ball & togetherness. That happens when you train and succeed with a CORE group of teammates. Your "personal best" is 2nd....no doubt.

Baseball is individualized event that your "personal best" trumps the rest. Team is key buddy.

When a lax player fails play his best, he winds up on the bench if he is on an elite team. You can't help your team if you are making mistakes such as goalie not making saves, fogo not winning ball, attack missing pass, buddy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 10 years from now I will thank coach mule and 91 directors for helping my kid get a chance to graduate from duke yale penn Fairfield Michigan bucknell Cornell BU. Etc
I will have zero recollection at could care less how many games they won in summer of 2014 or fall or any other time.
Someone needs a reality check.
I sure hope you wish more for your kids so that the highlight of their life was their youth lacrosse wins and loss records
Your kids can't grow up until there parents do
Enjoy it while you can. 91 wins will be there in the years to come

You 91 parents are the best. Every forum here you brag about wins and how your teams are the best and then come on here and say you wish there was more for the other kids life than youth lacrosse wins. Well which is it? I am well aware of the recruiting showcase priorities - play competitive and get kids noticed. Winning is secondary but always a plus. You see, coaches come to see teams that play well and win. Also, you brag about your 15 D1 commits which is fantastic but avoid answering why, with all this talent, they fail to win. Any true player and coach wants to win every time they step on the field. Please understand I am not bashing these kids or their talent. Their committments I am sure (and know some personally) are well deserved. I am questioning why, for once, a 91 parent can't admit something to the effect of "we got outplayed" or "they were a better team today". A little humility goes a long way.

Don't you get it? Winning at club ball really doesn't matter anymore. It's a nice bonus, but my commited son on cares about his own performance. They could blow out every team, but if he does not play well, he considers himself a loser! Now, HS games are a little different story, because they actually count for something.

I get that the priority is recruiting. I just want, for once, a 91 parent to admit they got outplayed or beat by a team that was better than them during that particular 55 minute game. It's always an excuse and now the excuse is "my son only cares about his own play". Just the attitude D1 coaches are not looking for!

Nothing to admit because IT DOESNT MATTER AND NOBODY CARES! My son is going to a top school and is on his way to a great life! Keep living for your sons club wins if that's what you care about because nobody else does!

Don't you get it? Winning at club ball really doesn't matter anymore. It's a nice bonus, but my commited son on cares about his own performance. They could blow out every team, but if he does not play well, he considers himself a loser! Now, HS games are a little different story, because they actually count for something. [/quote]

My committed son DOES care if his club team wins or loses. He was taught at a young age, "if they keep SCORE it matters!". So, he has that mindset and his performance falls in place.

Why do you even show up. [/quote]

You show up to play your personal best. That's what counts most. Club ball is for recruiting exposure. HS wins, and of course later college, are they only ones that matter, sorry. Winning the tournament is meaningless when compared to being a county or state champion. [/quote]

TEAM TEAM TEAM!!!! Colleges coaches NEED to see TEAM play!! Chemistry, share the ball & togetherness. That happens when you train and succeed with a CORE group of teammates. Your "personal best" is 2nd....no doubt.

Baseball is individualized event that your "personal best" trumps the rest. Team is key buddy. [/quote]

When a lax player fails play his best, he winds up on the bench if he is on an elite team. You can't help your team if you are making mistakes such as goalie not making saves, fogo not winning ball, attack missing pass, buddy. [/quote]

Unless you are a coaches kid and he blames the other arm of the team for not picking up the slack

To say �all the 3d teams are national� shows you are either uninformed or ill-informed (and looking for some excuse why they win). The 3d organization is based on regional teams. Check out their web site and you will see regional teams from: California (5 regional teams), Oregon, Texas, Colorado, Michigan, New England . . .

Last summer they did put together grade based so-called National teams to compete in Philly Big 4 tournament. They also formed a separate U-15 National team that competed in (and won) the US Lacrosse National Championship. Here is what 3d has to say � �3d Pacific is the pilot program for what will become a series of 3 regional super-select teams; Pacific, Central and Atlantic, that will represent 3d Lacrosse next year.� 3d Select New England may have some LI players, but it�s not a National team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't you get it? Winning at club ball really doesn't matter anymore. It's a nice bonus, but my commited son on cares about his own performance. They could blow out every team, but if he does not play well, he considers himself a loser! Now, HS games are a little different story, because they actually count for something.

My committed son DOES care if his club team wins or loses. He was taught at a young age, "if they keep SCORE it matters!". So, he has that mindset and his performance falls in place.

Why do you even show up. [/quote]

You show up to play your personal best. That's what counts most. Club ball is for recruiting exposure. HS wins, and of course later college, are they only ones that matter, sorry. Winning the tournament is meaningless when compared to being a county or state champion. [/quote]

TEAM TEAM TEAM!!!! Colleges coaches NEED to see TEAM play!! Chemistry, share the ball & togetherness. That happens when you train and succeed with a CORE group of teammates. Your "personal best" is 2nd....no doubt.

Baseball is individualized event that your "personal best" trumps the rest. Team is key buddy. [/quote]

When a lax player fails play his best, he winds up on the bench if he is on an elite team. You can't help your team if you are making mistakes such as goalie not making saves, fogo not winning ball, attack missing pass, buddy. [/quote]

Unless you are a coaches kid and he blames the other arm of the team for not picking up the slack [/quote]

Thanks buddy, well I assumed your son was a top level player on an elite team. sorry.

Oh, and you should be glad my son shows up to play his best, he makes your son look better, that is as long as he's doing his best too, pal

Since BOTC is not responding... Does anyone know which college coaches are coming to the Fall Classic at farmingdale?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since BOTC is not responding... Does anyone know which college coaches are coming to the Fall Classic at farmingdale?

Will be loaded with top D1, always is.

91?? Weren't most of the committed kids newly transferred from other teams??
Outlaws and true blue are better than 91...
Does anyone know how many committed players are on TB and Outlaws?

Amen!!!

In football part of the bargain is remaining an elite recruit. Not nearly all the top recruits go early, in fact most wait it out to decide since there are no relative better deals. Every D1 football scholarship is a full scholarship. Yes, D1 football coaches will drop an offer when they see a kid who for any reason got off the rails with school, found trouble but also if they just didn't stick with the training and it shows up on the field. Happens in the biggest real sport. As lacrosse catches up toward being a real D1 sport with the same pressures on coaches to win, you will see early recruits who don't pan out getting dropped before an NLI. I'm pretty cautious with our son to let him know there is a bargain he needs to meet in the classroom and on the field, and he would not want to be the kid who walked around as an early commit for three years only to see himself set aside to make room for a kid who outworked him for the spot. I don't see this as over until the NLI and until then being a commit is a nice accolade but not one to rest for one moment on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In football part of the bargain is remaining an elite recruit. Not nearly all the top recruits go early, in fact most wait it out to decide since there are no relative better deals. Every D1 football scholarship is a full scholarship. Yes, D1 football coaches will drop an offer when they see a kid who for any reason got off the rails with school, found trouble but also if they just didn't stick with the training and it shows up on the field. Happens in the biggest real sport. As lacrosse catches up toward being a real D1 sport with the same pressures on coaches to win, you will see early recruits who don't pan out getting dropped before an NLI. I'm pretty cautious with our son to let him know there is a bargain he needs to meet in the classroom and on the field, and he would not want to be the kid who walked around as an early commit for three years only to see himself set aside to make room for a kid who outworked him for the spot. I don't see this as over until the NLI and until then being a commit is a nice accolade but not one to rest for one moment on.

Although I do not see lacrosse ever being a true revenue sport, the pressure on coaches to win will be there. That will lead to lacrosse recruiting going the same way as football recruiting with multiple changes in commitments, last minute changes, and photo op events at NLI signings. "Poaching" has begun and will expand. As most players and parents understand, the real hard work begins upon a verbal commitment. The pressure to perform under scrutiny, maintain or improve grades, and continue to improve as a player all increase at that time. Nothing is cast until the NLI is signed.

Serious question. If my son is currently in 8th grade, what's the best way to reclassify him to the grade below without spending $50k/year on a prep school? Luckily I can afford it but that doesn't mean that I want to part with that money. Hoping there's a cheaper way. I'm asking on this thread because I'm sure some of you have crossed this bridge and hopefully figured it out. Thanks for sharing any insights.

My question is why? Is he struggling academically, socially? Can't see why people would reclassify for any other reason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. If my son is currently in 8th grade, what's the best way to reclassify him to the grade below without spending $50k/year on a prep school? Luckily I can afford it but that doesn't mean that I want to part with that money. Hoping there's a cheaper way. I'm asking on this thread because I'm sure some of you have crossed this bridge and hopefully figured it out. Thanks for sharing any insights.

So, you want your son to be a cheating loser? Sad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. If my son is currently in 8th grade, what's the best way to reclassify him to the grade below without spending $50k/year on a prep school? Luckily I can afford it but that doesn't mean that I want to part with that money. Hoping there's a cheaper way. I'm asking on this thread because I'm sure some of you have crossed this bridge and hopefully figured it out. Thanks for sharing any insights.

Nothing you can do aside from shelling out private school tuition through high school. Public schools won't allow repeats in grades for sports reasons

Stony Brook Football is 98 full scholarships. Most Schools hit the 98.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. If my son is currently in 8th grade, what's the best way to reclassify him to the grade below without spending $50k/year on a prep school? Luckily I can afford it but that doesn't mean that I want to part with that money. Hoping there's a cheaper way. I'm asking on this thread because I'm sure some of you have crossed this bridge and hopefully figured it out. Thanks for sharing any insights.

So, you want your son to be a cheating loser? Sad

If the only cheating is to this man's financial health why do react that way? If there is no rule against reclassifying then its not cheating. The only thing he is hurting is his checkbook. Personally, I'd like to hear a good answer to his question as I'm sure we've all thought about it at some point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. If my son is currently in 8th grade, what's the best way to reclassify him to the grade below without spending $50k/year on a prep school? Luckily I can afford it but that doesn't mean that I want to part with that money. Hoping there's a cheaper way. I'm asking on this thread because I'm sure some of you have crossed this bridge and hopefully figured it out. Thanks for sharing any insights.

So, you want your son to be a cheating loser? Sad

Don't take the bait on this question. Go away tool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. If my son is currently in 8th grade, what's the best way to reclassify him to the grade below without spending $50k/year on a prep school? Luckily I can afford it but that doesn't mean that I want to part with that money. Hoping there's a cheaper way. I'm asking on this thread because I'm sure some of you have crossed this bridge and hopefully figured it out. Thanks for sharing any insights.

So, you want your son to be a cheating loser? Sad

If the only cheating is to this man's financial health why do react that way? If there is no rule against reclassifying then its not cheating. The only thing he is hurting is his checkbook. Personally, I'd like to hear a good answer to his question as I'm sure we've all thought about it at some point.

You know it's cheating. Trying to get an edge. If your kid is not good enough now, holding him back will ultimately destroy his artificially inflated self-esteem when the others catch up and put him back where he belongs. A cheating weasel like his parents! And the legit folks will love to see you get what you and your kid deserve!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. If my son is currently in 8th grade, what's the best way to reclassify him to the grade below without spending $50k/year on a prep school? Luckily I can afford it but that doesn't mean that I want to part with that money. Hoping there's a cheaper way. I'm asking on this thread because I'm sure some of you have crossed this bridge and hopefully figured it out. Thanks for sharing any insights.

So, you want your son to be a cheating loser? Sad

If the only cheating is to this man's financial health why do react that way? If there is no rule against reclassifying then its not cheating. The only thing he is hurting is his checkbook. Personally, I'd like to hear a good answer to his question as I'm sure we've all thought about it at some point.

You know it's cheating. Trying to get an edge. If your kid is not good enough now, holding him back will ultimately destroy his artificially inflated self-esteem when the others catch up and put him back where he belongs. A cheating weasel like his parents! And the legit folks will love to see you get what you and your kid deserve!

So trying to get an edge is cheating? If so, then are all private school kids cheaters? Their parents are paying a ton of extra money to get them an edge over other kids for.....college admissions??? Are kids who use tutors cheaters????? Time to move along people. You probably also get really angry at people that use two lanes up to a merge, right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. If my son is currently in 8th grade, what's the best way to reclassify him to the grade below without spending $50k/year on a prep school? Luckily I can afford it but that doesn't mean that I want to part with that money. Hoping there's a cheaper way. I'm asking on this thread because I'm sure some of you have crossed this bridge and hopefully figured it out. Thanks for sharing any insights.

So, you want your son to be a cheating loser? Sad

If the only cheating is to this man's financial health why do react that way? If there is no rule against reclassifying then its not cheating. The only thing he is hurting is his checkbook. Personally, I'd like to hear a good answer to his question as I'm sure we've all thought about it at some point.

You know it's cheating. Trying to get an edge. If your kid is not good enough now, holding him back will ultimately destroy his artificially inflated self-esteem when the others catch up and put him back where he belongs. A cheating weasel like his parents! And the legit folks will love to see you get what you and your kid deserve!

So trying to get an edge is cheating? If so, then are all private school kids cheaters? Their parents are paying a ton of extra money to get them an edge over other kids for.....college admissions??? Are kids who use tutors cheaters????? Time to move along people. You probably also get really angry at people that use two lanes up to a merge, right?

YES,YES and YES! Just remember money doesn't always buy happiness. Be a person of moral and ethical values. Do what you know is right, and things will work out. Just because others think they are beating the system doesn't mean you have to jump in and join them. I wish all the real lacrosse players the best of luck. As for the cheaters, you will get what you deserve! Wasted money, social stigma, and embarrassment when your plan doesn't work out the way you thought. And you will deserve everything you get!

For the record; 91 went 2-1 at philly.

Yeah, they got beat fair and square by 3D, but I think it was more lack of discipline and not taking it serious and the game got out of hand after the 1/2.

A stern talking to between games seemed to have smacked some sense into them and they played like they were supposed to against prime time (no slouch team) and tomahawks.

Perhaps they are resting on their individual laurels or what ever, but if they pull kit together it would be interesting to see what they can do.

Brief flashes of brilliance just don't cut it. Consistency and a will to win seem to be lacking. Disappointment on the sidelines is not going unnoticed, I can tell you that, and a sense of entitlement is not going to win big games either.

There really is no excuse. They are better than they play. I challenge them to rise up this spring and summer and make a statement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If there is no rule against reclassifying then its not cheating. [/quote]

Might be the most ignorant, and oft repeated comment here, ever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. If my son is currently in 8th grade, what's the best way to reclassify him to the grade below without spending $50k/year on a prep school? Luckily I can afford it but that doesn't mean that I want to part with that money. Hoping there's a cheaper way. I'm asking on this thread because I'm sure some of you have crossed this bridge and hopefully figured it out. Thanks for sharing any insights.

So, you want your son to be a cheating loser? Sad

Don't take the bait on this question. Go away tool.

Just have him fail all of his classes.

Ty Xander's Philly Showcase noteable 2017 players is very light on LI players;

DOZENS OF 2016S AND 2017S LEAVE THEIR MARK ON THE PHILLY SHOWCASE, A PRIME OPPORTUNITY FOR UNCOMMITTEDS

Without a doubt the most attended of the fall for NCAA coaches, the Philly Showcase has turned into a can�t miss weekend for players, coaches and media alike. The people at NXT Sports do a remarkable job running the weekend on the immaculate campus of Episcopal Academy and simply know how to run an event down to every single detail.

Though the vast amount of 2017 verbals may have slightly affected the level of play, there were zero complaints on my end. Well, except for the treacherous cold conditions. Well over 100 college coaches made the trip � some staffs doubling up for the weekend � whether it was a high Division I like UNC or Notre Dame looking for the so-called late bloomer, mid-to-high D1′s hoping to start gathering some names for their recruiting board or DII and DIII�s getting things going in the 2016 class. There were very few committed players (I�d estimate under 10) in attendance, however dozens of recruits helped their college options with standout performances.

Since I essentially set up shop in the Philly suburbs on November weekends, I stopped by the NXT Charity Showdown on a super cold Friday night in the southern part of the city to watch a few players in particular for my own personal notes. Then on Saturday, I spent much of the day trying to see as many 2017′s as I possibly could, making time for juniors when time allowed. Also stayed for the King of the X competition and 1.5 All-Star Games before succumbing to the cold and heading into the warmth to watch my beloved Crimson Tide knock off top-ranked Mississippi State.

I�m rambling now and you really don�t care, so now onto who caught my eye on Sunday. Before I do that, however, I have to thank people like Andy Hayes, Brett Manney, Marty Kupprion and Matt Chandik (among many others) who made it an awesome weekend with great hospitality. Pumped to be back next weekend for the Philly Freshman Showcase.

Here�s who impressed, along with All-Star rosters for 2016′s and 2017′s:

Alex Calkins, M, CBA-Syracuse (N.Y.) / Upstate Elite - Passing the eye test, Calkins is a big body who doesn�t beat defenders based on foot speed but with well executed dodges and a quick overhand release on his outside shot. Ric Beardsley�s pupil hustles hard and was able to make a series of nice plays in overtime, including a gorgeous look to Thomas Tenney to make it 4-2. Based on his performance over the weekend, I�d imagine that his college options will increase.

Matthew Cameron, M, Blue Ridge (Va.) / West Coast Starz � A Western Canadian, the lefty British Columbia native has an absolute laser of an outside shot, which he sometimes confidently stroked from near the restraining line. He has some pretty nice foot speed and was able to stretch the defensive with regularity, also doing a nice job in the All-Star Game.

Jacob Coleman, G, Riverhead (N.Y.) / LI Outlaws � Coleman consistently intimidated and baited shooters with his play, holding his ground and calmly collecting save after save when I watched him in the morning. He was great on low shots and had a bevy of great stops as well as money outlets to breaking midfielders and longpoles. Strong Division I re

Gavin Garrity-Rokous, M/FO, Middlesex (Mass.) / Laxachusetts � Hard nosed and scrappy, Garrity-Rokous had one of the best plays of the All-Star Game. It was a sick individual effort, spinning and bouncing off defenders before roll-dodging into a low shot. A lefty, he does a lot of things well and helped his team all day between the lines with heads up plays.

David Gottesman, G, Wando (S.C.) / Loggerheads � Here�s an intriguing prospect from the South, who despite his non-traditional hotbed status, has very strong technique and communication habits. Gottesman�s height is more than adequate, which allowed him to intercept a few passes when I watched him. He�s a surefire Division I recruit, though he�ll need to touch up his consistency first, as a goal or two went in that he should have stopped.

Jimmy Heidt, A, Brunswick (Conn.) / Eclipse � A crafty and explosive dodger, Heidt was often get to the spots of the field where he was most successful, within eight yards or so where the Greenwich native also showed impressive vision. Love his slick hands, IQ and footwork � three assets I can see thriving in the Ivy or Patriot League, among others.

Woody Kelly, M, Gilman (Md.) / FCA � Kelly is a player who, despite missing the All-Star Game, should feel very confident about the way he showcased his skills over the weekend. He possesses a fundamentally sound shot on the run, a lights out first step from up top and impressive two-handedness. Cashed in whenever he had the opportunity for time and room shots.

Jack Kiernan, A, Ridgewood (N.J.) / NJ Riot � What a talented lefty Kiernan is, following up a fantastic Saturday with a great Sunday at fl$ in 3d from what I�ve heard. He�s shifty and confident when the ball is in his stick, giving defenses fits from all over the field with his dodging style and super-quick and accurate shot. Clearly a player who knows how to play the game and make the right decisions, also showing off some nice plays in the riding game.

Ryan Magnuson, M, Northport (N.Y.) / Team 91 � Though his speed isn�t excellent, Magnuson is a force as a downhill dodger with a strong overhand shot. He�s another player who will have to work on bringing it 100 percent of the time, however I really like Magnuson�s playmaking between the lines and ability to pick up groundballs. Have to think that he�ll be scooped up soon.

Mac Perry, D, Phillips Exeter (N.H.) / 3d New England � Superb off the ground and a fantastic 1-on-1 cover man, Perry looks the part of a high Division I defender due to his size and long arms. He�s a pest (a sizable compliment to any defender), meaning that he stays on the opponent�s hands and makes their life difficult. Showed some nice wheels and knew exactly when to slide, collapsing on ball carriers and disrupting offenses.

Kyle Prouty, M/FO, New Egypt (N.J.) / Leading Edge � The winner of the King of the X competition, Prouty showed exceptional well roundedness on the day. He�s not just a FOGO, he�s a slick little guy who is more than adequate playing defense or making runs out of the midfield. On the draws, Prouty was virtually automatic, popping the ball out to his wings or in front of him to create instant offense.

Reid Shilling �17, D, Deerfield (Mass.) / Fighting Clams � After enjoying what Shilling brought to the table in the summer circuit, I came away very impressed with what he did this weekend. He was a tremendous asset in transition, demonstrated special footwork and lateral movement and an active stick which he put in the passing lanes. Surprised that he�s still available, though that could change before the calendar year is up.

Colby Smith �17, M, Hempfield (Pa.) / NXT � It�s safe to say that after an awesome fall, the Ohio State commit has almost definitely made his way into the Top 75 rankings. Marked him down for an unofficial two goals and an assist in the 2017 All-Star Game, where he was arguably the best player on the field. Smith was constantly able to get a step on his man, blowing by longpoles and shorties before unleashing a well-placed shot that came screaming past the goalie. Heck of a player with all of the tools.

Tommy Sopko, A, Conestoga (Pa.) / NXT � There was a lot of chatter about Sopko coming from college coaches on the sidelines, as he put up two excellent goals, including a wildly impressive long range bomb with his left hand. Extremely two-handed and versatile, one play that stood out earlier in the day was when he ran out of the box, caught a pass, exploited his defender and unleashed a beauty of a low-to-low shot. Put himself in a great position this fall with multiple big-time showings.

OTHERS WHO IMPRESSED

Teddy Batson, D, St. James (Md.) / Crabs
Jack Calderone, D, Cherry Creek (Colo.) / 3d
Nicholas Casner, A, CBA-Syracuse (N.Y.) / United � SIENA
Jac Cutillo, M, Kings Park (N.Y.) / Team 91
Hunter Fasanaro, A, Weddington (N.C.) / Top Tier
Finn Gibbons, A, Garden City (N.Y.) / 3d New England
Samuel Goforth, M/FO, Bishop Shanahan (Pa.) / Freedom
James Hall, A, Massapequa (N.Y.) / True Blue
Michael Hawkins, A, Glastonbury (Conn.) / CT Cardinals
Tommy Nook, A, University (Oh.) / Titanium
Brendan O�Hara, G, Holderness (N.J.) / Tri-State
Eric Overbay, M, Lambert (Ga.) / Atlanta Rage
Kellen Paradine, D, Chaminade (N.Y.) / True Blue
David Peterson, D, Sacred Heart (Calif.) / ADVNC
John Psyllos, A, Manhasset (N.Y.) / LI Express
Nick Salameda, LSM, Archmere Academy (Del.) / Crabs
Riley Stewart, M, Darien (Conn.) / CT Chargers � PRINCETON
Cade Stratton, A, Ridley (Pa.) / HEADstrong
Thomas Tenney, A, Governor�s (Mass.) / Prime Time
Joe Theuer, G, Loyola (Calif.) / West Coast Starz
Kyle Tiernan, D, John Glenn-Elwood (N.Y.) / Team 91
Mick Upchurch, D, McCallie (Tenn.) / LB3
John Whiting, LSM/FO, Lawrenceville (N.J.) / 3d

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. If my son is currently in 8th grade, what's the best way to reclassify him to the grade below without spending $50k/year on a prep school? Luckily I can afford it but that doesn't mean that I want to part with that money. Hoping there's a cheaper way. I'm asking on this thread because I'm sure some of you have crossed this bridge and hopefully figured it out. Thanks for sharing any insights.

Ive seen some do a "repeat" year at Buckley and then back to the public. Not sure what the bill was though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In football part of the bargain is remaining an elite recruit. Not nearly all the top recruits go early, in fact most wait it out to decide since there are no relative better deals. Every D1 football scholarship is a full scholarship. Yes, D1 football coaches will drop an offer when they see a kid who for any reason got off the rails with school, found trouble but also if they just didn't stick with the training and it shows up on the field. Happens in the biggest real sport. As lacrosse catches up toward being a real D1 sport with the same pressures on coaches to win, you will see early recruits who don't pan out getting dropped before an NLI. I'm pretty cautious with our son to let him know there is a bargain he needs to meet in the classroom and on the field, and he would not want to be the kid who walked around as an early commit for three years only to see himself set aside to make room for a kid who outworked him for the spot. I don't see this as over until the NLI and until then being a commit is a nice accolade but not one to rest for one moment on.

Although I do not see lacrosse ever being a true revenue sport, the pressure on coaches to win will be there. That will lead to lacrosse recruiting going the same way as football recruiting with multiple changes in commitments, last minute changes, and photo op events at NLI signings. "Poaching" has begun and will expand. As most players and parents understand, the real hard work begins upon a verbal commitment. The pressure to perform under scrutiny, maintain or improve grades, and continue to improve as a player all increase at that time. Nothing is cast until the NLI is signed.

My son has not yet verbally committed yet but I have a question to those whose kid(s) have verbally committed - does the school condition that committment on anything? E.G., maintain a certain GPA? Minimum SAT/ACT score? Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xander's Philly Showcase noteable 2017 players is very light on LI players;

DOZENS OF 2016S AND 2017S LEAVE THEIR MARK ON THE PHILLY SHOWCASE, A PRIME OPPORTUNITY FOR UNCOMMITTEDS

Without a doubt the most attended of the fall for NCAA coaches, the Philly Showcase has turned into a can�t miss weekend for players, coaches and media alike. The people at NXT Sports do a remarkable job running the weekend on the immaculate campus of Episcopal Academy and simply know how to run an event down to every single detail.

Though the vast amount of 2017 verbals may have slightly affected the level of play, there were zero complaints on my end. Well, except for the treacherous cold conditions. Well over 100 college coaches made the trip � some staffs doubling up for the weekend � whether it was a high Division I like UNC or Notre Dame looking for the so-called late bloomer, mid-to-high D1′s hoping to start gathering some names for their recruiting board or DII and DIII�s getting things going in the 2016 class. There were very few committed players (I�d estimate under 10) in attendance, however dozens of recruits helped their college options with standout performances.

Since I essentially set up shop in the Philly suburbs on November weekends, I stopped by the NXT Charity Showdown on a super cold Friday night in the southern part of the city to watch a few players in particular for my own personal notes. Then on Saturday, I spent much of the day trying to see as many 2017′s as I possibly could, making time for juniors when time allowed. Also stayed for the King of the X competition and 1.5 All-Star Games before succumbing to the cold and heading into the warmth to watch my beloved Crimson Tide knock off top-ranked Mississippi State.

I�m rambling now and you really don�t care, so now onto who caught my eye on Sunday. Before I do that, however, I have to thank people like Andy Hayes, Brett Manney, Marty Kupprion and Matt Chandik (among many others) who made it an awesome weekend with great hospitality. Pumped to be back next weekend for the Philly Freshman Showcase.

Here�s who impressed, along with All-Star rosters for 2016′s and 2017′s:

Alex Calkins, M, CBA-Syracuse (N.Y.) / Upstate Elite - Passing the eye test, Calkins is a big body who doesn�t beat defenders based on foot speed but with well executed dodges and a quick overhand release on his outside shot. Ric Beardsley�s pupil hustles hard and was able to make a series of nice plays in overtime, including a gorgeous look to Thomas Tenney to make it 4-2. Based on his performance over the weekend, I�d imagine that his college options will increase.

Matthew Cameron, M, Blue Ridge (Va.) / West Coast Starz � A Western Canadian, the lefty British Columbia native has an absolute laser of an outside shot, which he sometimes confidently stroked from near the restraining line. He has some pretty nice foot speed and was able to stretch the defensive with regularity, also doing a nice job in the All-Star Game.

Jacob Coleman, G, Riverhead (N.Y.) / LI Outlaws � Coleman consistently intimidated and baited shooters with his play, holding his ground and calmly collecting save after save when I watched him in the morning. He was great on low shots and had a bevy of great stops as well as money outlets to breaking midfielders and longpoles. Strong Division I re

Gavin Garrity-Rokous, M/FO, Middlesex (Mass.) / Laxachusetts � Hard nosed and scrappy, Garrity-Rokous had one of the best plays of the All-Star Game. It was a sick individual effort, spinning and bouncing off defenders before roll-dodging into a low shot. A lefty, he does a lot of things well and helped his team all day between the lines with heads up plays.

David Gottesman, G, Wando (S.C.) / Loggerheads � Here�s an intriguing prospect from the South, who despite his non-traditional hotbed status, has very strong technique and communication habits. Gottesman�s height is more than adequate, which allowed him to intercept a few passes when I watched him. He�s a surefire Division I recruit, though he�ll need to touch up his consistency first, as a goal or two went in that he should have stopped.

Jimmy Heidt, A, Brunswick (Conn.) / Eclipse � A crafty and explosive dodger, Heidt was often get to the spots of the field where he was most successful, within eight yards or so where the Greenwich native also showed impressive vision. Love his slick hands, IQ and footwork � three assets I can see thriving in the Ivy or Patriot League, among others.

Woody Kelly, M, Gilman (Md.) / FCA � Kelly is a player who, despite missing the All-Star Game, should feel very confident about the way he showcased his skills over the weekend. He possesses a fundamentally sound shot on the run, a lights out first step from up top and impressive two-handedness. Cashed in whenever he had the opportunity for time and room shots.

Jack Kiernan, A, Ridgewood (N.J.) / NJ Riot � What a talented lefty Kiernan is, following up a fantastic Saturday with a great Sunday at fl$ in 3d from what I�ve heard. He�s shifty and confident when the ball is in his stick, giving defenses fits from all over the field with his dodging style and super-quick and accurate shot. Clearly a player who knows how to play the game and make the right decisions, also showing off some nice plays in the riding game.

Ryan Magnuson, M, Northport (N.Y.) / Team 91 � Though his speed isn�t excellent, Magnuson is a force as a downhill dodger with a strong overhand shot. He�s another player who will have to work on bringing it 100 percent of the time, however I really like Magnuson�s playmaking between the lines and ability to pick up groundballs. Have to think that he�ll be scooped up soon.

Mac Perry, D, Phillips Exeter (N.H.) / 3d New England � Superb off the ground and a fantastic 1-on-1 cover man, Perry looks the part of a high Division I defender due to his size and long arms. He�s a pest (a sizable compliment to any defender), meaning that he stays on the opponent�s hands and makes their life difficult. Showed some nice wheels and knew exactly when to slide, collapsing on ball carriers and disrupting offenses.

Kyle Prouty, M/FO, New Egypt (N.J.) / Leading Edge � The winner of the King of the X competition, Prouty showed exceptional well roundedness on the day. He�s not just a FOGO, he�s a slick little guy who is more than adequate playing defense or making runs out of the midfield. On the draws, Prouty was virtually automatic, popping the ball out to his wings or in front of him to create instant offense.

Reid Shilling �17, D, Deerfield (Mass.) / Fighting Clams � After enjoying what Shilling brought to the table in the summer circuit, I came away very impressed with what he did this weekend. He was a tremendous asset in transition, demonstrated special footwork and lateral movement and an active stick which he put in the passing lanes. Surprised that he�s still available, though that could change before the calendar year is up.

Colby Smith �17, M, Hempfield (Pa.) / NXT � It�s safe to say that after an awesome fall, the Ohio State commit has almost definitely made his way into the Top 75 rankings. Marked him down for an unofficial two goals and an assist in the 2017 All-Star Game, where he was arguably the best player on the field. Smith was constantly able to get a step on his man, blowing by longpoles and shorties before unleashing a well-placed shot that came screaming past the goalie. Heck of a player with all of the tools.

Tommy Sopko, A, Conestoga (Pa.) / NXT � There was a lot of chatter about Sopko coming from college coaches on the sidelines, as he put up two excellent goals, including a wildly impressive long range bomb with his left hand. Extremely two-handed and versatile, one play that stood out earlier in the day was when he ran out of the box, caught a pass, exploited his defender and unleashed a beauty of a low-to-low shot. Put himself in a great position this fall with multiple big-time showings.

OTHERS WHO IMPRESSED

Teddy Batson, D, St. James (Md.) / Crabs
Jack Calderone, D, Cherry Creek (Colo.) / 3d
Nicholas Casner, A, CBA-Syracuse (N.Y.) / United � SIENA
Jac Cutillo, M, Kings Park (N.Y.) / Team 91
Hunter Fasanaro, A, Weddington (N.C.) / Top Tier
Finn Gibbons, A, Garden City (N.Y.) / 3d New England
Samuel Goforth, M/FO, Bishop Shanahan (Pa.) / Freedom
James Hall, A, Massapequa (N.Y.) / True Blue
Michael Hawkins, A, Glastonbury (Conn.) / CT Cardinals
Tommy Nook, A, University (Oh.) / Titanium
Brendan O�Hara, G, Holderness (N.J.) / Tri-State
Eric Overbay, M, Lambert (Ga.) / Atlanta Rage
Kellen Paradine, D, Chaminade (N.Y.) / True Blue
David Peterson, D, Sacred Heart (Calif.) / ADVNC
John Psyllos, A, Manhasset (N.Y.) / LI Express
Nick Salameda, LSM, Archmere Academy (Del.) / Crabs
Riley Stewart, M, Darien (Conn.) / CT Chargers � PRINCETON
Cade Stratton, A, Ridley (Pa.) / HEADstrong
Thomas Tenney, A, Governor�s (Mass.) / Prime Time
Joe Theuer, G, Loyola (Calif.) / West Coast Starz
Kyle Tiernan, D, John Glenn-Elwood (N.Y.) / Team 91
Mick Upchurch, D, McCallie (Tenn.) / LB3
John Whiting, LSM/FO, Lawrenceville (N.J.) / 3d

Hey thats great...heard Ty is impressed with Chipotle too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xander's Philly Showcase noteable 2017 players is very light on LI players;

DOZENS OF 2016S AND 2017S LEAVE THEIR MARK ON THE PHILLY SHOWCASE, A PRIME OPPORTUNITY FOR UNCOMMITTEDS

Without a doubt the most attended of the fall for NCAA coaches, the Philly Showcase has turned into a can�t miss weekend for players, coaches and media alike. The people at NXT Sports do a remarkable job running the weekend on the immaculate campus of Episcopal Academy and simply know how to run an event down to every single detail.

Though the vast amount of 2017 verbals may have slightly affected the level of play, there were zero complaints on my end. Well, except for the treacherous cold conditions. Well over 100 college coaches made the trip � some staffs doubling up for the weekend � whether it was a high Division I like UNC or Notre Dame looking for the so-called late bloomer, mid-to-high D1′s hoping to start gathering some names for their recruiting board or DII and DIII�s getting things going in the 2016 class. There were very few committed players (I�d estimate under 10) in attendance, however dozens of recruits helped their college options with standout performances.

Since I essentially set up shop in the Philly suburbs on November weekends, I stopped by the NXT Charity Showdown on a super cold Friday night in the southern part of the city to watch a few players in particular for my own personal notes. Then on Saturday, I spent much of the day trying to see as many 2017′s as I possibly could, making time for juniors when time allowed. Also stayed for the King of the X competition and 1.5 All-Star Games before succumbing to the cold and heading into the warmth to watch my beloved Crimson Tide knock off top-ranked Mississippi State.

I�m rambling now and you really don�t care, so now onto who caught my eye on Sunday. Before I do that, however, I have to thank people like Andy Hayes, Brett Manney, Marty Kupprion and Matt Chandik (among many others) who made it an awesome weekend with great hospitality. Pumped to be back next weekend for the Philly Freshman Showcase.

Here�s who impressed, along with All-Star rosters for 2016′s and 2017′s:

Alex Calkins, M, CBA-Syracuse (N.Y.) / Upstate Elite - Passing the eye test, Calkins is a big body who doesn�t beat defenders based on foot speed but with well executed dodges and a quick overhand release on his outside shot. Ric Beardsley�s pupil hustles hard and was able to make a series of nice plays in overtime, including a gorgeous look to Thomas Tenney to make it 4-2. Based on his performance over the weekend, I�d imagine that his college options will increase.

Matthew Cameron, M, Blue Ridge (Va.) / West Coast Starz � A Western Canadian, the lefty British Columbia native has an absolute laser of an outside shot, which he sometimes confidently stroked from near the restraining line. He has some pretty nice foot speed and was able to stretch the defensive with regularity, also doing a nice job in the All-Star Game.

Jacob Coleman, G, Riverhead (N.Y.) / LI Outlaws � Coleman consistently intimidated and baited shooters with his play, holding his ground and calmly collecting save after save when I watched him in the morning. He was great on low shots and had a bevy of great stops as well as money outlets to breaking midfielders and longpoles. Strong Division I re

Gavin Garrity-Rokous, M/FO, Middlesex (Mass.) / Laxachusetts � Hard nosed and scrappy, Garrity-Rokous had one of the best plays of the All-Star Game. It was a sick individual effort, spinning and bouncing off defenders before roll-dodging into a low shot. A lefty, he does a lot of things well and helped his team all day between the lines with heads up plays.

David Gottesman, G, Wando (S.C.) / Loggerheads � Here�s an intriguing prospect from the South, who despite his non-traditional hotbed status, has very strong technique and communication habits. Gottesman�s height is more than adequate, which allowed him to intercept a few passes when I watched him. He�s a surefire Division I recruit, though he�ll need to touch up his consistency first, as a goal or two went in that he should have stopped.

Jimmy Heidt, A, Brunswick (Conn.) / Eclipse � A crafty and explosive dodger, Heidt was often get to the spots of the field where he was most successful, within eight yards or so where the Greenwich native also showed impressive vision. Love his slick hands, IQ and footwork � three assets I can see thriving in the Ivy or Patriot League, among others.

Woody Kelly, M, Gilman (Md.) / FCA � Kelly is a player who, despite missing the All-Star Game, should feel very confident about the way he showcased his skills over the weekend. He possesses a fundamentally sound shot on the run, a lights out first step from up top and impressive two-handedness. Cashed in whenever he had the opportunity for time and room shots.

Jack Kiernan, A, Ridgewood (N.J.) / NJ Riot � What a talented lefty Kiernan is, following up a fantastic Saturday with a great Sunday at fl$ in 3d from what I�ve heard. He�s shifty and confident when the ball is in his stick, giving defenses fits from all over the field with his dodging style and super-quick and accurate shot. Clearly a player who knows how to play the game and make the right decisions, also showing off some nice plays in the riding game.

Ryan Magnuson, M, Northport (N.Y.) / Team 91 � Though his speed isn�t excellent, Magnuson is a force as a downhill dodger with a strong overhand shot. He�s another player who will have to work on bringing it 100 percent of the time, however I really like Magnuson�s playmaking between the lines and ability to pick up groundballs. Have to think that he�ll be scooped up soon.

Mac Perry, D, Phillips Exeter (N.H.) / 3d New England � Superb off the ground and a fantastic 1-on-1 cover man, Perry looks the part of a high Division I defender due to his size and long arms. He�s a pest (a sizable compliment to any defender), meaning that he stays on the opponent�s hands and makes their life difficult. Showed some nice wheels and knew exactly when to slide, collapsing on ball carriers and disrupting offenses.

Kyle Prouty, M/FO, New Egypt (N.J.) / Leading Edge � The winner of the King of the X competition, Prouty showed exceptional well roundedness on the day. He�s not just a FOGO, he�s a slick little guy who is more than adequate playing defense or making runs out of the midfield. On the draws, Prouty was virtually automatic, popping the ball out to his wings or in front of him to create instant offense.

Reid Shilling �17, D, Deerfield (Mass.) / Fighting Clams � After enjoying what Shilling brought to the table in the summer circuit, I came away very impressed with what he did this weekend. He was a tremendous asset in transition, demonstrated special footwork and lateral movement and an active stick which he put in the passing lanes. Surprised that he�s still available, though that could change before the calendar year is up.

Colby Smith �17, M, Hempfield (Pa.) / NXT � It�s safe to say that after an awesome fall, the Ohio State commit has almost definitely made his way into the Top 75 rankings. Marked him down for an unofficial two goals and an assist in the 2017 All-Star Game, where he was arguably the best player on the field. Smith was constantly able to get a step on his man, blowing by longpoles and shorties before unleashing a well-placed shot that came screaming past the goalie. Heck of a player with all of the tools.

Tommy Sopko, A, Conestoga (Pa.) / NXT � There was a lot of chatter about Sopko coming from college coaches on the sidelines, as he put up two excellent goals, including a wildly impressive long range bomb with his left hand. Extremely two-handed and versatile, one play that stood out earlier in the day was when he ran out of the box, caught a pass, exploited his defender and unleashed a beauty of a low-to-low shot. Put himself in a great position this fall with multiple big-time showings.

OTHERS WHO IMPRESSED

Teddy Batson, D, St. James (Md.) / Crabs
Jack Calderone, D, Cherry Creek (Colo.) / 3d
Nicholas Casner, A, CBA-Syracuse (N.Y.) / United � SIENA
Jac Cutillo, M, Kings Park (N.Y.) / Team 91
Hunter Fasanaro, A, Weddington (N.C.) / Top Tier
Finn Gibbons, A, Garden City (N.Y.) / 3d New England
Samuel Goforth, M/FO, Bishop Shanahan (Pa.) / Freedom
James Hall, A, Massapequa (N.Y.) / True Blue
Michael Hawkins, A, Glastonbury (Conn.) / CT Cardinals
Tommy Nook, A, University (Oh.) / Titanium
Brendan O�Hara, G, Holderness (N.J.) / Tri-State
Eric Overbay, M, Lambert (Ga.) / Atlanta Rage
Kellen Paradine, D, Chaminade (N.Y.) / True Blue
David Peterson, D, Sacred Heart (Calif.) / ADVNC
John Psyllos, A, Manhasset (N.Y.) / LI Express
Nick Salameda, LSM, Archmere Academy (Del.) / Crabs
Riley Stewart, M, Darien (Conn.) / CT Chargers � PRINCETON
Cade Stratton, A, Ridley (Pa.) / HEADstrong
Thomas Tenney, A, Governor�s (Mass.) / Prime Time
Joe Theuer, G, Loyola (Calif.) / West Coast Starz
Kyle Tiernan, D, John Glenn-Elwood (N.Y.) / Team 91
Mick Upchurch, D, McCallie (Tenn.) / LB3
John Whiting, LSM/FO, Lawrenceville (N.J.) / 3d

Well, the bulk of the 2017 players weren't at the event. You might not realize that the BULK of the LI 2017 group is already COMMITTED.

Take a look at some of these recruiting websites and look at the list of "NEW [lacrosse]" and count the Long Island players. Now, if you were at the Philly Showcase last year when this group were freshman than you would've seen the Long Island boys in full effect. Thats why they weren't there, no need.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. If my son is currently in 8th grade, what's the best way to reclassify him to the grade below without spending $50k/year on a prep school? Luckily I can afford it but that doesn't mean that I want to part with that money. Hoping there's a cheaper way. I'm asking on this thread because I'm sure some of you have crossed this bridge and hopefully figured it out. Thanks for sharing any insights.

Ive seen some do a "repeat" year at Buckley and then back to the public. Not sure what the bill was though.

The web is your friend. Most privates have the tuition listed on their website.

On Long Island, one can repeat 8th at the privates like Buckley, Green Vale, Friends, etc. To repeat 9th, you're looking at Friends, The Stony Brook School, The Knox School. The freight is approx. $30K

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. If my son is currently in 8th grade, what's the best way to reclassify him to the grade below without spending $50k/year on a prep school? Luckily I can afford it but that doesn't mean that I want to part with that money. Hoping there's a cheaper way. I'm asking on this thread because I'm sure some of you have crossed this bridge and hopefully figured it out. Thanks for sharing any insights.

So, you want your son to be a cheating loser? Sad

If the only cheating is to this man's financial health why do react that way? If there is no rule against reclassifying then its not cheating. The only thing he is hurting is his checkbook. Personally, I'd like to hear a good answer to his question as I'm sure we've all thought about it at some point.

You know it's cheating. Trying to get an edge. If your kid is not good enough now, holding him back will ultimately destroy his artificially inflated self-esteem when the others catch up and put him back where he belongs. A cheating weasel like his parents! And the legit folks will love to see you get what you and your kid deserve!

Relax a little. Having a kid reclass is not always cheating. In some cases kids are really young for their grade and they are at a disadvantage academically and athletically. My son is a 2017 and hes a late November birthday so in some cases he is almost 2-3 years younger than some of the 2017's out there. So If I have him reclass and send him to Prep school I am cheating? Having said that If your son is already a hold back and hes 16, yes I agree reclassifying is definitely a little ridiculous. Every case is different and every parent must do what they think is right for their own son. Lets relax with the rhetoric. College coaches dont care what grade your son is in or if they are held back or reclassified or whatever. They want good kids, with good grades, who can play the game, plain and simple. Keep this in mind before you start spewing ignorant rhetoric.

What happens when his friends say "what happened to Johnny? "
Oh, he had to repeat 8th grade because he wasn't good enough to compete against kids his own age.

Pretty pathetic when you think about it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In football part of the bargain is remaining an elite recruit. Not nearly all the top recruits go early, in fact most wait it out to decide since there are no relative better deals. Every D1 football scholarship is a full scholarship. Yes, D1 football coaches will drop an offer when they see a kid who for any reason got off the rails with school, found trouble but also if they just didn't stick with the training and it shows up on the field. Happens in the biggest real sport. As lacrosse catches up toward being a real D1 sport with the same pressures on coaches to win, you will see early recruits who don't pan out getting dropped before an NLI. I'm pretty cautious with our son to let him know there is a bargain he needs to meet in the classroom and on the field, and he would not want to be the kid who walked around as an early commit for three years only to see himself set aside to make room for a kid who outworked him for the spot. I don't see this as over until the NLI and until then being a commit is a nice accolade but not one to rest for one moment on.

Although I do not see lacrosse ever being a true revenue sport, the pressure on coaches to win will be there. That will lead to lacrosse recruiting going the same way as football recruiting with multiple changes in commitments, last minute changes, and photo op events at NLI signings. "Poaching" has begun and will expand. As most players and parents understand, the real hard work begins upon a verbal commitment. The pressure to perform under scrutiny, maintain or improve grades, and continue to improve as a player all increase at that time. Nothing is cast until the NLI is signed.

My son has not yet verbally committed yet but I have a question to those whose kid(s) have verbally committed - does the school condition that committment on anything? E.G., maintain a certain GPA? Minimum SAT/ACT score? Thanks

It probably depends on the school, but the kids I know who are committed to top-tier schools or service academies are told a minimum GPA, ACT or SAT (and if the school superstores) some schools require a few AP classes. Service academies have some other requirements, but recruits are given assistance with letters from a senator, etc.

I know one high profile kid who got caught drinking his freshman year, called the coach and was told "not to do it again", it isn't a highly competitive school and the kid has connections, as is very talented.

We look at the verbal as my son's first step, he still has to get bigger, stronger faster and get more skilled and do well in the classroom, testing and stay on the straight and narrow, he doesn't have any connections.

The congressional nomination for service academies does not "assist" entrance for those with borderline grades. A nomination (Congress/POTUS/VPOTUS) is part of the application process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question. If my son is currently in 8th grade, what's the best way to reclassify him to the grade below without spending $50k/year on a prep school? Luckily I can afford it but that doesn't mean that I want to part with that money. Hoping there's a cheaper way. I'm asking on this thread because I'm sure some of you have crossed this bridge and hopefully figured it out. Thanks for sharing any insights.

So, you want your son to be a cheating loser? Sad

If the only cheating is to this man's financial health why do react that way? If there is no rule against reclassifying then its not cheating. The only thing he is hurting is his checkbook. Personally, I'd like to hear a good answer to his question as I'm sure we've all thought about it at some point.

You know it's cheating. Trying to get an edge. If your kid is not good enough now, holding him back will ultimately destroy his artificially inflated self-esteem when the others catch up and put him back where he belongs. A cheating weasel like his parents! And the legit folks will love to see you get what you and your kid deserve!

Relax a little. Having a kid reclass is not always cheating. In some cases kids are really young for their grade and they are at a disadvantage academically and athletically. My son is a 2017 and hes a late November birthday so in some cases he is almost 2-3 years younger than some of the 2017's out there. So If I have him reclass and send him to Prep school I am cheating? Having said that If your son is already a hold back and hes 16, yes I agree reclassifying is definitely a little ridiculous. Every case is different and every parent must do what they think is right for their own son. Lets relax with the rhetoric. College coaches dont care what grade your son is in or if they are held back or reclassified or whatever. They want good kids, with good grades, who can play the game, plain and simple. Keep this in mind before you start spewing ignorant rhetoric.

Look how many times do we have to be told ... IT IS NOT CHEATING!

Here's how:
Enroll & repeat 8th grade at Friends or Buckley then go to the HS of your choice...that's easy.

Why not save some more dough and look to repeat 8th at a catholic (if you're in public) or repeat 8th at a public (if you're in catholic)? I'm sure you can arrange a few extra sick days this year (wink, wink). A doctor's not won't cost too much.

Why not do it again after you've done it the first time (in reverse order) so your kid can be a 16 year old Freshman.

If you play your hand well, you can save some money for a Postgrad year at Salisbury, Hotchkiss, Brunswick, etc. That way your kid is well prepared for a b-level education and lifestyle after redshirting a year at a bottom feeding cakewalk school like Highpoint or UNC. He can be 26 and graduating with a BA and an STD.

After that can you hear the Lizards calling? I can.

I say go for it - seek out and live your dreams!!!

You can bash repeating/reclassing/PG-ing all you want, but at the end of the day, you have to face the facts: It is now (whether you agree with it or not) the norm, and you, your ego, and your kid are going to have to get used to it.

Nothing like the word "reclassify" to get the blood pressure up and the pot stirring again. Love it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can bash repeating/reclassing/PG-ing all you want, but at the end of the day, you have to face the facts: It is now (whether you agree with it or not) the norm, and you, your ego, and your kid are going to have to get used to it.

I am used to it, cause my kid still smokes your cheating kids [lacrosse]. Hold him back how ever many years you want. He will never amount to the true to grade quality player. He will always be known as the kid who was not good enough to compete amongst his own age group. Just makes you and your son cheating losers. Period.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can bash repeating/reclassing/PG-ing all you want, but at the end of the day, you have to face the facts: It is now (whether you agree with it or not) the norm, and you, your ego, and your kid are going to have to get used to it.

It is not the norm- it is still the exception. Most families and kids are not jumping at the bit to spend an extra year or money on school. If needed as a pg year, ok. It may be more likely to see on other regions outside LI, but even in those other areas, many folks are not jumping on the band wagon. Early recruitment is most likely going to backfire in three years, with kids all changing their commits, not make grade or scores or what not- the trend will swing closer to late soph or Junior year then. When that happens, there will be less reclassification.

It's great to go to a school you normally could not get into- but let's be honest- money isn't flowing and you still have to be able to stay in once there. GL to all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The congressional nomination for service academies does not "assist" entrance for those with borderline grades. A nomination (Congress/POTUS/VPOTUS) is part of the application process.

Sorry that was unclear, absolutely recruits must have minimum grades and boards, both of which high minimums. In addition they need a nomination letter, but there is assistance from the academy if the recruit has trouble obtaining one without assistance. The nomination is still required but recruits have a leg up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing like the word "reclassify" to get the blood pressure up and the pot stirring again. Love it.

Who pioneered this term "reclassified"?

I think it is an absolutely hilarious way of making end around attempts to keep face. Back in the day we card it repeating a grade. Because it is repeating a grade. The only way to pull that off a generation ago was to be a lousy enough student to flunk a grade and summer school as well. The look on the faces of maryland parents when you ask what grade their kid REPEATED is just precious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing like the word "reclassify" to get the blood pressure up and the pot stirring again. Love it.

Who pioneered this term "reclassified"?

I think it is an absolutely hilarious way of making end around attempts to keep face. Back in the day we card it repeating a grade. Because it is repeating a grade. The only way to pull that off a generation ago was to be a lousy enough student to flunk a grade and summer school as well. The look on the faces of maryland parents when you ask what grade their kid REPEATED is just precious.

Reclassify is not the same as repeating. Many kids reclassify to the lower grade but continue academically as if nothing happened and no subjects are "repeated". That's the difference between reclassifying and repeating. In the case of reclassifying, the last year of high school is usually packed with AP courses, many for college credit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing like the word "reclassify" to get the blood pressure up and the pot stirring again. Love it.

Who pioneered this term "reclassified"?

I think it is an absolutely hilarious way of making end around attempts to keep face. Back in the day we card it repeating a grade. Because it is repeating a grade. The only way to pull that off a generation ago was to be a lousy enough student to flunk a grade and summer school as well. The look on the faces of maryland parents when you ask what grade their kid REPEATED is just precious.

And the look of LI parents when they hear a reclassified kid got a D1 spot is even better. Better than July 4th fireworks. Remember, there are no rules being broken. Just choices being made.

Reclassify is not the same as repeating. Many kids reclassify to the lower grade but continue academically as if nothing happened and no subjects are "repeated". That's the difference between reclassifying and repeating. In the case of reclassifying, the last year of high school is usually packed with AP courses, many for college credit. [/quote]

That is complete crap. My son is taking AP courses as an underclassman, and AP course classrooms at my son's school is not stocked with lacrosse repeaters. Those kids are doing geometry as seniors after doing Algebra 1 twice. Most often lacrosse players repeat classes when they repeat grades to make obtaining higher GPA easier.

Reclassifying is repeating a grade. Because you are doing it over again. You could take a math lesson from my 10th grader, and if you ask nice he'll help tutor your 19 year old senior in the course he took last year. Step away from the keyboard and just crawl away. And congrats on junior lax bro's commit to High Point or the like.

I don't know where I sit on the "reclassification"...

But if you think about it, is reclassification the rich white people's affirmative action??

...it seems the same unhealthy message... "____ not good enough, without building in an artificial advantage"

The long lasting unintended message, may very well outlast the short term gain...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know where I sit on the "reclassification"...

But if you think about it, is reclassification the rich white people's affirmative action??

...it seems the same unhealthy message... "____ not good enough, without building in an artificial advantage"

The long lasting unintended message, may very well outlast the short term gain...

Not a bad analysis. Repeating grades gives the help undersized kids of a certain demographic (white, mostly wealthy or upper middle class prep school kids) artificially get to calling themselves D1 athletes. The average D1 lacrosse commit in Maryland is a kid who would not have a prayer of playing D3 in any other sport he focused on. There are exceptions, like Ryan Conrad who to be quite honest could play soccer and lacrosse at UVa. Ok, ok, people will chime in that their son has three varsity letters in football but at an MIAA or IAC school, all kids over 170 pounds are put in as down linemen to block for the 150 pound lacrosse commit backfield. At some level we should all be grateful that because there are no full rides or chances to make real money as a pro lacrosse will never attract a lot of African-American kids. That is a racially charged point, but an accurate one. Take an SEC football recruit and have him hone in on lacrosse starting in 8th grade and most current lacrosse recruits would be wiped out quickly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take an SEC football recruit and have him hone in on lacrosse starting in 8th grade and most current lacrosse recruits would be wiped out quickly.

FACT!

But why would they change sports when they could possibly make millions in the NFL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take an SEC football recruit and have him hone in on lacrosse starting in 8th grade and most current lacrosse recruits would be wiped out quickly.

FACT!

Akadmix put da brakes on... in a low revenue sport at the Varsity College level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But why would they change sports when they could possibly make millions in the NFL.

They wouldn't, and that is the point. Size and athletic ability challenged prep kids are safe for now.

Explain Who's going to pay all these future 8th grade SEC football turned lacrosse players to fly around the country to play travel club, prospect camps,showcases, etc... Etc...
Oh, and btw, pay for 50-75% of a $60,000 college tuition ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclassify is not the same as repeating. Many kids reclassify to the lower grade but continue academically as if nothing happened and no subjects are "repeated". That's the difference between reclassifying and repeating. In the case of reclassifying, the last year of high school is usually packed with AP courses, many for college credit.

That is complete crap. My son is taking AP courses as an underclassman, and AP course classrooms at my son's school is not stocked with lacrosse repeaters. Those kids are doing geometry as seniors after doing Algebra 1 twice. Most often lacrosse players repeat classes when they repeat grades to make obtaining higher GPA easier.

Reclassifying is repeating a grade. Because you are doing it over again. You could take a math lesson from my 10th grader, and if you ask nice he'll help tutor your 19 year old senior in the course he took last year. Step away from the keyboard and just crawl away. And congrats on junior lax bro's commit to High Point or the like. [/quote]

Yes - Some might "repeat" classes if they screwed up the first time. But the reclassified kids who do not repeat the classes are the ones that did well in the first place and would only see marginal benefit to "repeating" the same classes again. How do you think an admissions officer would evaluate the transcripts of two different schools with the same courses? I don't think he/she would completely disregard the worse transcript and would probably not put a lot of weight behind the "repeated" transcript because any idiot would do better the second time around and they are well aware of that. The whole idea of "prep school" is just that - prep them for college. Repeating the same classes as what was already taken at a prior school does not "prep" any kid better for college. The reclassifiers who don't repeat are being "preped" with APs in their Junior and Senior year as well as another year in the weight room and on the field for an all around easier transition. Not to mention the "away experience" of being away from mommy and daddy and having to develop independent study and living habits at a boarding school makes that part of the transition to college a lay up that many public school kids struggle with.

Who will come up with the term that defines the player that does NOT require "reclassification"??

How about...
"TEC", short for...
"True early commit" ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Explain Who's going to pay all these future 8th grade SEC football turned lacrosse players to fly around the country to play travel club, prospect camps,showcases, etc... Etc...
Oh, and btw, pay for 50-75% of a $60,000 college tuition ??

What? Read the post again.

One statement: Miles Jones from Duke.

... I'll bet almost anything - that the parents can justify giving their kids an occasional "energy drink" before games...

"It's legal"... "Everyone does it"... "Any little edge you can get"...
Please, It's anonymous- so who is willing to admit it??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Explain Who's going to pay all these future 8th grade SEC football turned lacrosse players to fly around the country to play travel club, prospect camps,showcases, etc... Etc...
Oh, and btw, pay for 50-75% of a $60,000 college tuition ??

Dude, that was the original poster's point...football prospects would never leave for football for the reasons you wrote and there are no full scholarships or professional careers in lacrosse. Those real athletes stay away.

Reclassification - was designed for the underdeveloped child that barely missed the cut off date - so her or she does NOT have sit out for safety concerns...

Simple- that's it!!

Reclassification was NEVER intended to provide a venue for a midyear birthday player to leverage an extra year of maturity to dominate younger, smaller boys kids in competitive events for D1 aspirations.

From a Coach's prospective - I will discount a Reclassified player's performance when evaluating and projecting talent levels...
Does that make sense??

Yes - Some might "repeat" classes if they screwed up the first time. But the reclassified kids who do not repeat the classes are the ones that did well in the first place and would only see marginal benefit to "repeating" the same classes again. How do you think an admissions officer would evaluate the transcripts of two different schools with the same courses? I don't think he/she would completely disregard the worse transcript and would probably not put a lot of weight behind the "repeated" transcript because any idiot would do better the second time around and they are well aware of that. The whole idea of "prep school" is just that - prep them for college. Repeating the same classes as what was already taken at a prior school does not "prep" any kid better for college. The reclassifiers who don't repeat are being "preped" with APs in their Junior and Senior year as well as another year in the weight room and on the field for an all around easier transition. Not to mention the "away experience" of being away from mommy and daddy and having to develop independent study and living habits at a boarding school makes that part of the transition to college a lay up that many public school kids struggle with. [/quote]

I read this as you trying very hard to rationalize that junior is not a repeat a grader but a "reclassifier" but a lot of what you write out makes no sense whatsoever. If a kid is academically sound, and coach wants him but there is an agreement to do a PG year (post grad year, NOT a repeat a grade in 8th or 9th year) that is a completely different thing than going 8th or 9th grade twice to hit well on early recruiting.

All reclassifiers repeat. There is no such thing as reclassifying without doing a grade twice, and that is repeating a grade. You go on that these kids are not REALLY reclassifying or repeating so much as they are being "prepped". That is hysterical on two levels.

First, a PG is a kid who GRADUATED from high school and does an additional post graduate year at a boarding school. Yes, these are finishing school type arrangements for kids who need to pull their grades or scores up in order to admissions qualify at the schools who recruited them. Hockey players have been doing that for decades at the New England boarding schools.

Second, your local public or day private schools are not boarding schools. Kids in Maryland that go to a public school for 8th or 9th and then repeat that grade at an MIAA or IAC school are not being "prepped" as boarding students. They're just from families willing to write checks to keep their kid in the recruiting cycle longer when it doesn't appear they are good enough to be recruited as real 8th and 9th graders.

If there is such a thing as an academically gifted lacrosse player who is basically restraining to do a grade level over, but in your words is someone who is academically all the same in terms of progression and is doing AP courses as a junior or senior (cue the laughter) and is as you wrote basically a college freshman in the final year of high school...well, why don't those kids enroll at UNC, Michigan, etc. and redshirt a year in college instead of hiding in 8th or 9th grade a second time to audition better as lacrosse players?

That is the question, and when we take away those crutches the answer isn't "well, he ISN'T REALLY REPEATING and he SORT OF ALSO ISN'T REALLY RECLASSIFYING the way others are now putting it, but he is really PREPPING and taking all sorts of college credits in 12th grade and hitting the weights for one more year", it is that you made a family decision to make your son a social and emotional invalid to repeat a grade he didn't need to for academic or social reasons so he can show better as a lacrosse player. Just admit it and stop wasting your own time...at this rate your kid will only learn how to rationalize away anything and everything that is hard in life with excuses like you are doing for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One statement: Miles Jones from Duke.

Miles Jones was told to do a PG year to qualify for admissions at Duke. It was not a lacrosse decision for lacrosse advantage. He was being recruited by Duke as a natural sophomore. His game didn't need the help, his profile as a student did. Nice try.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One statement: Miles Jones from Duke.

Miles Jones was told to do a PG year to qualify for admissions at Duke. It was not a lacrosse decision for lacrosse advantage. He was being recruited by Duke as a natural sophomore. His game didn't need the help, his profile as a student did. Nice try.

I don't understand the idea of doing a PG year to get your grades up. What's the guarantee that will make a difference? First, one more year is one out of 5 high school years. Even if the kid pulled a 3.5 in his PG year, why would that wash away the 2.3 he pulled in his first 4 years? Secondly, there is no guarantee that the kid will do well academically in their PG year - he might find it very hard and pull another 2.3. Then what? Bottom line - I think the PG year to get your grades up is a sham. The real reason for the PG year is for the colleges to put the kid in a holding pattern on someone else's dime rather than redshirt him or carry him on the roster waiting for a senior ahead of him to graduate. Bam.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One statement: Miles Jones from Duke.

Miles Jones was told to do a PG year to qualify for admissions at Duke. It was not a lacrosse decision for lacrosse advantage. He was being recruited by Duke as a natural sophomore. His game didn't need the help, his profile as a student did. Nice try.

Yup, Miles Jones is doing it BIG at the all important lax program of the prestigious DUKE BLUE DEVILS! And this time next year he'll being doing shooting lessons for 9 year olds on Long Island for $75 per session. Take a peek at all the other big time lax stars whom just left college, these kids don't have real jobs from the big lacrosse schools? I don't get it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One statement: Miles Jones from Duke.

Miles Jones was told to do a PG year to qualify for admissions at Duke. It was not a lacrosse decision for lacrosse advantage. He was being recruited by Duke as a natural sophomore. His game didn't need the help, his profile as a student did. Nice try.

I don't understand the idea of doing a PG year to get your grades up. What's the guarantee that will make a difference? First, one more year is one out of 5 high school years. Even if the kid pulled a 3.5 in his PG year, why would that wash away the 2.3 he pulled in his first 4 years? Secondly, there is no guarantee that the kid will do well academically in their PG year - he might find it very hard and pull another 2.3. Then what? Bottom line - I think the PG year to get your grades up is a sham. The real reason for the PG year is for the colleges to put the kid in a holding pattern on someone else's dime rather than redshirt him or carry him on the roster waiting for a senior ahead of him to graduate. Bam.

Schools such as Duke begin monitoring class loads of their early commits. They want the them taking a full legitimate class load and taking AP classes whenever possible. I know of one early commit who had to submit his Junior and Senior class schedules to the college for approval. They came back and told him to increase the class load and add some AP classes. Another commit felt that since he had the verbal and the grades to get accepted, he would rather take a light load his Senior year. The result - the school felt his academic commitment and accomplishments was not sufficient and asked him to PG.

I don't understand the idea of doing a PG year to get your grades up. What's the guarantee that will make a difference? First, one more year is one out of 5 high school years. Even if the kid pulled a 3.5 in his PG year, why would that wash away the 2.3 he pulled in his first 4 years? Secondly, there is no guarantee that the kid will do well academically in their PG year - he might find it very hard and pull another 2.3. Then what? Bottom line - I think the PG year to get your grades up is a sham. The real reason for the PG year is for the colleges to put the kid in a holding pattern on someone else's dime rather than redshirt him or carry him on the roster waiting for a senior ahead of him to graduate. Bam. [/quote]

I went to boarding school and you could not be more wrong in terms of the PG year. It is for sports ringers who didn't meet the academic standards at schools, usually Canadian kids who are slotted to go to Cornell or another Ivy. The unwritten rule is go to a NE prep school as a boarder for a year, and the admissions office happy. If they flunk out it does not work out, but those PGs usually pull through and get to their destinations after a finishing year. Maybe it is a roster spot parking lot for some lacrosse players, but to be honest those kids should just go to the college and redshirt as a practice player for a year. The PG boarding year is not what you noted in most sports instances...it is purely for knuckleheads who need to get academics pulled up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From a Coach's prospective - I will discount a Reclassified player's performance when evaluating and projecting talent levels...
Does that make sense??

Are you a coach? Those with whom I've had conversations could care less how the kid arrived at their talent relative to their school grade.

Really?? do not kid yourself.
Coaches are acutely aware of the pitfalls of committing players during adolescent development...
Far from a science, but judging a player's performance playing down (reclassification) is ALWAYS a major factor when trying to predict projecting how a player will perform in 4 years competing against equally physically matured men.
...you will soon find out, 9th and 10th grade studs... Too often Disappear when they can't rely on their physical dominance as seniors

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclassification - was designed for the underdeveloped child that barely missed the cut off date - so her or she does NOT have sit out for safety concerns...

Simple- that's it!!

Reclassification was NEVER intended to provide a venue for a midyear birthday player to leverage an extra year of maturity to dominate younger, smaller boys kids in competitive events for D1 aspirations.

From a Coach's prospective - I will discount a Reclassified player's performance when evaluating and projecting talent levels...
Does that make sense??

You might want to spread the word to your fellow coaches since more than half the early recruits were holdbacks, reclasses or PG kids. Specifically 1-2 years older than the average age for a said class. Percentage might be even higher for current 2018 commits.

...or not.
I guess that's why the worst early commit offenders (Carolina, and Hopkins)...
Are scratching their heads wondering why they are watching the
Albany's, Denver's, Lehigh's, Loyola's of the world, on TV every year at the Final Four...

Yup, Miles Jones is doing it BIG at the all important lax program of the prestigious DUKE BLUE DEVILS! And this time next year he'll being doing shooting lessons for 9 year olds on Long Island for $75 per session. Take a peek at all the other big time lax stars whom just left college, these kids don't have real jobs from the big lacrosse schools? I don't get it. [/quote]

I don't mean for this to come off as snarky as it reads, but does anyone know why it is that Duke lacrosse grads -- and Duke is one fine school -- wind up lax bros after college teaching lessons / club slumming? There are a few examples of kids heading to Wall St like Jordan Wolf, but they seem to be in a very small minority. Why does such a great college churn out bozos insofar as lacrosse grads are concerned?

On the other hand UPenn kids and Notre Dame kids seem to not miss and almost unanimously excel after college. (Full disclosure: I have a lot of family connections to both UPenn and ND programs and have helped with recent grads at those schools for job market connections, I have no connections or inside knowledge on Duke whatsoever).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

...or not.
I guess that's why the worst early commit offenders (Carolina, and Hopkins)...
Are scratching their heads wondering why they are watching the
Albany's, Denver's, Lehigh's, Loyola's of the world, on TV every year at the Final Four...

We are basically two years away from UNC, UVa and Hop winning nothing to put early recruiting in a grave. -- IF that happens. Breschi is liked at UNC, but there are boundary conditions to running a program that has all the resources asked for that just can't win. Starsia's deal is up in 2016, and word around Charlottesville is his program needs to both win and run clean of player off the field issues this year, or he will basically be forced into retirement after 2016 season. Petro is a legend at Hop, but again it goes without saying that is the only sport Hop cares about and the bottom line is another year or two of middle pack performance and no real moves in NCAA tournament and just maybe even Petro is not safe. For now there is no evidence that early recruiting has a negative effect on the performance of these programs, but we are heading into the throat of the "show me" years right now I am guessing.

Good post. But I do think your wrong about 1 - thing... There is NO Lack of evidence.
It's an arms race, heading for disaster - but the shame of it is the early committed kids will be collateral damage hit the hardest.

Notice schools stock piling on early Offensive Commitments??

Do the math... If a program hands out 6 verbals for 2017 Attackmen, the program effectively locked all 6 players from the recruiting market...
3 years from now, they will be happy with keeping their top 3 players, then drop conveniently drop 3 for grades, SAT scores, or whatever...
The poor kid is now a senior, and can't find a suitable college program, because its now too LATE... So don't worry about The Petro's - start worrying about Long Term fit for your kid... Which, btw NOONE KNOWS at 14-15...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good post. But I do think your wrong about 1 - thing... There is NO Lack of evidence.
It's an arms race, heading for disaster - but the shame of it is the early committed kids will be collateral damage hit the hardest.

Notice schools stock piling on early Offensive Commitments??

Do the math... If a program hands out 6 verbals for 2017 Attackmen, the program effectively locked all 6 players from the recruiting market...
3 years from now, they will be happy with keeping their top 3 players, then drop conveniently drop 3 for grades, SAT scores, or whatever...
The poor kid is now a senior, and can't find a suitable college program, because its now too LATE... So don't worry about The Petro's - start worrying about Long Term fit for your kid... Which, btw NOONE KNOWS at 14-15...

Sounds like ACC higher level math. Did you work that out all by yourself?
If you couldn't tell your kid was right for a program by 10th grade academically; then the fault is yours for letting him languish until he is a senior with false hopes of recovering in class enought to qualify. Don't put him in that position if he is not capable of performing in the class as well as the field

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good post. But I do think your wrong about 1 - thing... There is NO Lack of evidence.
It's an arms race, heading for disaster - but the shame of it is the early committed kids will be collateral damage hit the hardest.

Notice schools stock piling on early Offensive Commitments??

Do the math... If a program hands out 6 verbals for 2017 Attackmen, the program effectively locked all 6 players from the recruiting market...
3 years from now, they will be happy with keeping their top 3 players, then drop conveniently drop 3 for grades, SAT scores, or whatever...
The poor kid is now a senior, and can't find a suitable college program, because its now too LATE... So don't worry about The Petro's - start worrying about Long Term fit for your kid... Which, btw NOONE KNOWS at 14-15...

Haha, that's funny. I guess your SD on is still hoping to commit? Don't get your hopes up. Schools font drop comitted kids. It's the other way around!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yup, Miles Jones is doing it BIG at the all important lax program of the prestigious DUKE BLUE DEVILS! And this time next year he'll being doing shooting lessons for 9 year olds on Long Island for $75 per session. Take a peek at all the other big time lax stars whom just left college, these kids don't have real jobs from the big lacrosse schools? I don't get it.

I don't mean for this to come off as snarky as it reads, but does anyone know why it is that Duke lacrosse grads -- and Duke is one fine school -- wind up lax bros after college teaching lessons / club slumming? There are a few examples of kids heading to Wall St like Jordan Wolf, but they seem to be in a very small minority. Why does such a great college churn out bozos insofar as lacrosse grads are concerned?

On the other hand UPenn kids and Notre Dame kids seem to not miss and almost unanimously excel after college. (Full disclosure: I have a lot of family connections to both UPenn and ND programs and have helped with recent grads at those schools for job market connections, I have no connections or inside knowledge on Duke whatsoever).

Perhaps because UPENN and Notre Dame have business schools and Duke does not.

Perhaps because UPENN and Notre Dame have business schools and Duke does not. [/quote]

Duke has the Fuqua School of Business which is well regarded. A BA from Penn, ND and Duke should be close. Why are they not close for jobs out of school for the lacrosse kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good post. But I do think your wrong about 1 - thing... There is NO Lack of evidence.
It's an arms race, heading for disaster - but the shame of it is the early committed kids will be collateral damage hit the hardest.

Notice schools stock piling on early Offensive Commitments??

Do the math... If a program hands out 6 verbals for 2017 Attackmen, the program effectively locked all 6 players from the recruiting market...
3 years from now, they will be happy with keeping their top 3 players, then drop conveniently drop 3 for grades, SAT scores, or whatever...
The poor kid is now a senior, and can't find a suitable college program, because its now too LATE... So don't worry about The Petro's - start worrying about Long Term fit for your kid... Which, btw NOONE KNOWS at 14-15...

Sounds like ACC higher level math. Did you work that out all by yourself?
If you couldn't tell your kid was right for a program by 10th grade academically; then the fault is yours for letting him languish until he is a senior with false hopes of recovering in class enought to qualify. Don't put him in that position if he is not capable of performing in the class as well as the field

The coaches will keep the best lacrosse players and use grades or SATs as excuses to cut the less desirable recruits. I know a few kids headed to touh schools who really are not cut out for the curriculum, they are beasts on the field though.

Let me help a little....my youngest graduated Duke. The soccer team was very interested in her. I said no way will play soccer at Duke. Why? She would have had practice at 6am and again in the afternoon, plus travel during the season, and more practice and scrimmage games throughout the year. After all, the coach has to justify his annual salary.

I would also point out that the course load was intense and if she played a sport she would have to take lighter subjects.

Now, if your child has the grades to make Duke or any other high end school it should all academics. At Duke, if you are playing basketball then I say go for it, but another sport I would not. basketball at Duke may lead to a very profitable NBA contract. What lucrative contract do you see for lacrosse or soccer? I didn't see any.

Younger daughter graduated and then went to law school. College really isn't over after 4 years...think graduate school. Start saving because if you have a high academic achiever it will be expensive, but there are many grants and scholarships available for academics at all these high end Top 20 schools, and the alumni networking is second to none.

Larry,

So your prospective is that if the student athlete has no professional athletic future, don't play sports in college??
Interesting, but thanks for sharing...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good post. But I do think your wrong about 1 - thing... There is NO Lack of evidence.
It's an arms race, heading for disaster - but the shame of it is the early committed kids will be collateral damage hit the hardest.

Notice schools stock piling on early Offensive Commitments??

Do the math... If a program hands out 6 verbals for 2017 Attackmen, the program effectively locked all 6 players from the recruiting market...
3 years from now, they will be happy with keeping their top 3 players, then drop conveniently drop 3 for grades, SAT scores, or whatever...
The poor kid is now a senior, and can't find a suitable college program, because its now too LATE... So don't worry about The Petro's - start worrying about Long Term fit for your kid... Which, btw NOONE KNOWS at 14-15...

Haha, that's funny. I guess your SD on is still hoping to commit? Don't get your hopes up. Schools font drop comitted kids. It's the other way around!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good post. But I do think your wrong about 1 - thing... There is NO Lack of evidence.
It's an arms race, heading for disaster - but the shame of it is the early committed kids will be collateral damage hit the hardest.

Notice schools stock piling on early Offensive Commitments??

Do the math... If a program hands out 6 verbals for 2017 Attackmen, the program effectively locked all 6 players from the recruiting market...
3 years from now, they will be happy with keeping their top 3 players, then drop conveniently drop 3 for grades, SAT scores, or whatever...
The poor kid is now a senior, and can't find a suitable college program, because its now too LATE... So don't worry about The Petro's - start worrying about Long Term fit for your kid... Which, btw NOONE KNOWS at 14-15...

Haha, that's funny. I guess your SD on is still hoping to commit? Don't get your hopes up. Schools font drop comitted kids. It's the other way around!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good post. But I do think your wrong about 1 - thing... There is NO Lack of evidence.
It's an arms race, heading for disaster - but the shame of it is the early committed kids will be collateral damage hit the hardest.

Notice schools stock piling on early Offensive Commitments??

Do the math... If a program hands out 6 verbals for 2017 Attackmen, the program effectively locked all 6 players from the recruiting market...
3 years from now, they will be happy with keeping their top 3 players, then drop conveniently drop 3 for grades, SAT scores, or whatever...
The poor kid is now a senior, and can't find a suitable college program, because its now too LATE... So don't worry about The Petro's - start worrying about Long Term fit for your kid... Which, btw NOONE KNOWS at 14-15...

Haha, that's funny. I guess your SD on is still hoping to commit? Don't get your hopes up. Schools font drop comitted kids. It's the other way around!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good post. But I do think your wrong about 1 - thing... There is NO Lack of evidence.
It's an arms race, heading for disaster - but the shame of it is the early committed kids will be collateral damage hit the hardest.

Notice schools stock piling on early Offensive Commitments??

Do the math... If a program hands out 6 verbals for 2017 Attackmen, the program effectively locked all 6 players from the recruiting market...
3 years from now, they will be happy with keeping their top 3 players, then drop conveniently drop 3 for grades, SAT scores, or whatever...
The poor kid is now a senior, and can't find a suitable college program, because its now too LATE... So don't worry about The Petro's - start worrying about Long Term fit for your kid... Which, btw NOONE KNOWS at 14-15...

Haha, that's funny. I guess your SD on is still hoping to commit? Don't get your hopes up. Schools font drop comitted kids. It's the other way around!

ha! You must be the proud dad of the future 4 year 1st Team All American at Hopkins... Can you donate your DNA to science research

Yes and no. What you need to understand is that college is not high school. Your "baby" is now a baby adult, and that adult needs to prepare for a very tough world. Playing sports that will not produce a lucrative contract makes no sense to me. Even with basketball and football if you're not an exceptional player you have to move on.

Now, with football and basketball, IMO is worth the gamble. I don't see it with other sports. This is magnified when you mention schools at the level of Duke, and even much further down the top 100 schools. Time is too precious when at college...social life takes up a lot time and school work amounts to a 33 hour day!

I can only base what I say on my experience with two daughters. One is an attorney at aa prestigious securities firm on Wall St., and my other daughter, a graduate of Northwestern University leads R&D at a global nuclear company. At 31 she just received her Masters in Nuclear Engineering from UNC. I don't believe the girls could have done that, and and honor a total commitment to the team. It was not a gamble we didn't want to take, and no, my kids do not take after me

My 2 cents.

Sure Larry, weighing the academic course load, and some majors such as nuclear physics and engineering may prohibit D-1 sports participation... But for the most part, playing sports for most really enhances the overall college experience;
Structure to your day, lasting bonds with teammates, learn proper preparation for competition, team concepts, physical outlet, and, don't forget... learning how to deal with D-bag coaches.

Making lasting bonds with teammates is not important. The student will make life long friends at college without playing on team. I have no idea what you are sending your child to college for. It is your money and your child. My decisions and direction paid off better than expected here at Casa Miller.

I'm out of this conversation.

Spunds like a parent that read about the college lacrosse
Experience and never lived it.

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Making lasting bonds with teammates is not important. The student will make life long friends at college without playing on team. I have no idea what you are sending your child to college for. It is your money and your child. My decisions and direction paid off better than expected here at Casa Miller.

I'm out of this conversation.

With you on this....the statement preceding yours is almost beyond the ability to even address.

FWIW; once my committed player is matriculated in the school of his choice; I could not care less if he ever steps on the field to play. He understands that besides his high gpa, lax provided the key to the door that would otherwise be closed to thousands with equally high grades and test scores.

Most will not see the bigger picture. Even when it is right in front of their faces. Ego, in all of its grand manifestation, will be the ultimate etiology of the myopic position of the masses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Making lasting bonds with teammates is not important. The student will make life long friends at college without playing on team. I have no idea what you are sending your child to college for. It is your money and your child. My decisions and direction paid off better than expected here at Casa Miller.

I'm out of this conversation.

With you on this....the statement preceding yours is almost beyond the ability to even address.

FWIW; once my committed player is matriculated in the school of his choice; I could not care less if he ever steps on the field to play. He understands that besides his high gpa, lax provided the key to the door that would otherwise be closed to thousands with equally high grades and test scores.

Most will not see the bigger picture. Even when it is right in front of their faces. Ego, in all of its grand manifestation, will be the ultimate etiology of the myopic position of the masses.

"etiology of the myopic position"

since I played lacrosse in college I have no idea what this means. quite certain my frat boys friends who spent their afternoons playing foosball and video games wouldn't either. I would have been with them had I not had something more purposeful to attend. I've had 2 jobs over the years that were directly attributable to lacrosse connections -- specifically that all important 1st one. Lacrosse connections have helped in various business deals. Today show did a segment this morning on MIT football team. starting QB studying to be rocket scientist and back-up has played violin at Carnegie Hall. So maybe you can be a serious student and athlete. Also I met my beautiful wife because she was on the woman's team. College sports are not for everyone but those of us with real passion for our sport have no regrets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclassification - was designed for the underdeveloped child that barely missed the cut off date - so her or she does NOT have sit out for safety concerns...

Simple- that's it!!

Reclassification was NEVER intended to provide a venue for a midyear birthday player to leverage an extra year of maturity to dominate younger, smaller boys kids in competitive events for D1 aspirations.

From a Coach's prospective - I will discount a Reclassified player's performance when evaluating and projecting talent levels...
Does that make sense??

Great post! This is exactly where my son falls. He is a 2017 and he is still 14 years old until the end of this month. All of you folks can bury your head in the sand all you want but there are 17 year old 2017's running around out there right now. My son was recruited by a highly regarded prep school this past summer. It wasnt even a question whether or not he was going to repeat the grade, it was understood. His club coach (who was a D1 college coach) recommended it and in no uncertain terms told me that D1 coaches "love" reclassified kids and encourage reclassifying whenever possible. So my son will be attending this prep school next fall and repeating the grade and becoming a 2018. I dont consider this cheating in any shape or form. IMO I am just correcting a mistake I made by sending him to kindergarten instead of holding him back like most parents do. My son is a very good 2017, but because of his size and physical maturity, he is definitely behind the 8 ball when it comes to recruiting. He is playing with a 2018 club team and he is still one of the younger kids on the team, most of them are already 15. So to all of you throwing the "cheating" word around, every case is different. More importantly, do a little research and look at D1 rosters and look at the birthdays and look at the schools they come from. An extremely large majority of D1 kids are reclassified and come from Prep schools. Its just reality and its here to stay. In my sons case I believe its going to help him get into a much better college than he would have been able to get into and thats the goal here isnt it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Making lasting bonds with teammates is not important. The student will make life long friends at college without playing on team. I have no idea what you are sending your child to college for. It is your money and your child. My decisions and direction paid off better than expected here at Casa Miller.

I'm out of this conversation.

With you on this....the statement preceding yours is almost beyond the ability to even address.

FWIW; once my committed player is matriculated in the school of his choice; I could not care less if he ever steps on the field to play. He understands that besides his high gpa, lax provided the key to the door that would otherwise be closed to thousands with equally high grades and test scores.

Most will not see the bigger picture. Even when it is right in front of their faces. Ego, in all of its grand manifestation, will be the ultimate etiology of the myopic position of the masses.

"etiology of the myopic position"

since I played lacrosse in college I have no idea what this means. quite certain my frat boys friends who spent their afternoons playing foosball and video games wouldn't either. I would have been with them had I not had something more purposeful to attend. I've had 2 jobs over the years that were directly attributable to lacrosse connections -- specifically that all important 1st one. Lacrosse connections have helped in various business deals. Today show did a segment this morning on MIT football team. starting QB studying to be rocket scientist and back-up has played violin at Carnegie Hall. So maybe you can be a serious student and athlete. Also I met my beautiful wife because she was on the woman's team. College sports are not for everyone but those of us with real passion for our sport have no regrets.

Kudos my friend. To add to your post I would say that any of us that have played a sport at the collegiate level would tell you that they would trade the experience for anything in the world, and the bonds you make during that time last forever. Every case is different and every parent and child must find their own way, but to discount the benefits of playing a college sport is just silly.

Boys Latin/Crabs Attackman that just committed to Syracuse "reclassified" to a 2018 this year. He was already an older 2017 and a very good player. Guess it worked out for him

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclassification - was designed for the underdeveloped child that barely missed the cut off date - so her or she does NOT have sit out for safety concerns...

Simple- that's it!!

Reclassification was NEVER intended to provide a venue for a midyear birthday player to leverage an extra year of maturity to dominate younger, smaller boys kids in competitive events for D1 aspirations.

From a Coach's prospective - I will discount a Reclassified player's performance when evaluating and projecting talent levels...
Does that make sense??

Great post! This is exactly where my son falls. He is a 2017 and he is still 14 years old until the end of this month. All of you folks can bury your head in the sand all you want but there are 17 year old 2017's running around out there right now. My son was recruited by a highly regarded prep school this past summer. It wasnt even a question whether or not he was going to repeat the grade, it was understood. His club coach (who was a D1 college coach) recommended it and in no uncertain terms told me that D1 coaches "love" reclassified kids and encourage reclassifying whenever possible. So my son will be attending this prep school next fall and repeating the grade and becoming a 2018. I dont consider this cheating in any shape or form. IMO I am just correcting a mistake I made by sending him to kindergarten instead of holding him back like most parents do. My son is a very good 2017, but because of his size and physical maturity, he is definitely behind the 8 ball when it comes to recruiting. He is playing with a 2018 club team and he is still one of the younger kids on the team, most of them are already 15. So to all of you throwing the "cheating" word around, every case is different. More importantly, do a little research and look at D1 rosters and look at the birthdays and look at the schools they come from. An extremely large majority of D1 kids are reclassified and come from Prep schools. Its just reality and its here to stay. In my sons case I believe its going to help him get into a much better college than he would have been able to get into and thats the goal here isnt it?

Reality vs perception.

Tough call. Reality it is cheating. Perception you're ok with it.

Reality you are holding him back a grade to gain an advantage on the sports fields to gain an otherwise advantage getting into a better school. We understand just admit you are cheating. Look at the definition of cheating.

Now you can sometimes get away with cheating. And in life unless you are called out for your miscues you are barely remorseful. Some of us may have cheated on a test or two and in the end it helped us.

It is the ole the ends justifies the means. You don't need to justify it to anyone, you've decided to do it.

Sounds like rope a dope wins for some NCAA coaches who are fans of the reclassified game. When you really think about it what the coaches are stating is they don't think your kid is a recruit in his class. Now for a December boy, we are really picking the nit and I would never pick on some 2017 who is still 14 for a few more weeks since I live in a state where my son who turned 13 in October is a 7th grader in the correct grade because of the Sept cut off, so don't take as an attack on prior poster's kid. That said, coaches "love reclassified kids"? Said another way lacrosse is such a cash poor sport that they don't do redshirting in their program with scholarship kids who cost them money for 5 years.

To any NCAA coach I would say back take my son in his grade and we will pay tuition and board full for a redshirt year. Then his deal starts in year two as a redshirt freshman. I'd rather have my kid get adjusted to university life and academics and also get a taste of the training for a year in a college environment rather than running bully over 14 year olds as a 19 year old high school senior. I think this artificial technique to prop kids is pathetic. What's next, pretend they are special needs kids so they can win gold medals in the Special Olympics? We are close to situations that crass right now with this repeat a grade contest.

Another factor I see is repeating grades is so common in Maryland now that it is unusual to be a normal aged kid. Two points there...1. the kids who can hit elite status as natural aged kids for their grade are STUDS, period and everyone knows it and coaches are FOOLS to not project more positive on those kids. 2. since repeaters are so common the RELATIVE advantage is closed out. Now it is 16 year old middies trying to get by 16 year old short sticks and so on. The kids who need the artificial advantage aren't finding it as easily in Maryland now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Boys Latin/Crabs Attackman that just committed to Syracuse "reclassified" to a 2018 this year. He was already an older 2017 and a very good player. Guess it worked out for him

By that reasoning my 13 year old can play in a U-11 tournament this weekend and it would work out for him too. Time for birthdates in the tournament programs? No. Time for a orange sticker on helmets with letters reading SISSY.

"etiology of the myopic position"

since I played lacrosse in college I have no idea what this means. quite certain my frat boys friends who spent their afternoons playing foosball and video games wouldn't either. I would have been with them had I not had something more purposeful to attend. I've had 2 jobs over the years that were directly attributable to lacrosse connections -- specifically that all important 1st one. Lacrosse connections have helped in various business deals. Today show did a segment this morning on MIT football team. starting QB studying to be rocket scientist and back-up has played violin at Carnegie Hall. So maybe you can be a serious student and athlete. Also I met my beautiful wife because she was on the woman's team. College sports are not for everyone but those of us with real passion for our sport have no regrets. [/quote]

There is no maybe about it...

Had you and the frat brothers cared to take a page from the MIT guys; then perhaps the meaning would not have been lost on you. A dual major in foosball and video games and a minor in beer typically relegate the standard D1 athlete to a much more narrow set of options if they actually manage to graduate. (The 6 year plan will likely come into play for many; minimizing any potential financial advantage they may have received).

While having the chance to reach out to the alumni support system with any school is a
Great concept; many again don't get to that level and the opportunity is negligible in those cases.

The students who can integrate and associate wth the entire student body will far exceed the success of those who rather limit their associations to small populations of frats and teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclassification - was designed for the underdeveloped child that barely missed the cut off date - so her or she does NOT have sit out for safety concerns...

Simple- that's it!!

Reclassification was NEVER intended to provide a venue for a midyear birthday player to leverage an extra year of maturity to dominate younger, smaller boys kids in competitive events for D1 aspirations.

From a Coach's prospective - I will discount a Reclassified player's performance when evaluating and projecting talent levels...
Does that make sense??

Great post! This is exactly where my son falls. He is a 2017 and he is still 14 years old until the end of this month. All of you folks can bury your head in the sand all you want but there are 17 year old 2017's running around out there right now. My son was recruited by a highly regarded prep school this past summer. It wasnt even a question whether or not he was going to repeat the grade, it was understood. His club coach (who was a D1 college coach) recommended it and in no uncertain terms told me that D1 coaches "love" reclassified kids and encourage reclassifying whenever possible. So my son will be attending this prep school next fall and repeating the grade and becoming a 2018. I dont consider this cheating in any shape or form. IMO I am just correcting a mistake I made by sending him to kindergarten instead of holding him back like most parents do. My son is a very good 2017, but because of his size and physical maturity, he is definitely behind the 8 ball when it comes to recruiting. He is playing with a 2018 club team and he is still one of the younger kids on the team, most of them are already 15. So to all of you throwing the "cheating" word around, every case is different. More importantly, do a little research and look at D1 rosters and look at the birthdays and look at the schools they come from. An extremely large majority of D1 kids are reclassified and come from Prep schools. Its just reality and its here to stay. In my sons case I believe its going to help him get into a much better college than he would have been able to get into and thats the goal here isnt it?

Reality vs perception.

Tough call. Reality it is cheating. Perception you're ok with it.

Reality you are holding him back a grade to gain an advantage on the sports fields to gain an otherwise advantage getting into a better school. We understand just admit you are cheating. Look at the definition of cheating.

Now you can sometimes get away with cheating. And in life unless you are called out for your miscues you are barely remorseful. Some of us may have cheated on a test or two and in the end it helped us.

It is the ole the ends justifies the means. You don't need to justify it to anyone, you've decided to do it.

Understood, however I disagree. Again, I would say I am correcting my original mistake of not keeping him back when he was younger. Additionally, he is not gaining any advantage, we are simply leveling the odds for him, because as I stated in my earlier post, he will still be young for a 2018. He is not the kind of kid that will dominate at any level, he is a smart, tough, hardworking lacrosse player. Academically, he is a good student, maintaining a 3.5 in all honors courses. Going to a prep school is going to benefit him the most academically, which again is the point of all this. Im not justifying, rather explaining and sharing my particular case with everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclassification - was designed for the underdeveloped child that barely missed the cut off date - so her or she does NOT have sit out for safety concerns...

Simple- that's it!!

Reclassification was NEVER intended to provide a venue for a midyear birthday player to leverage an extra year of maturity to dominate younger, smaller boys kids in competitive events for D1 aspirations.

From a Coach's prospective - I will discount a Reclassified player's performance when evaluating and projecting talent levels...
Does that make sense??

Great post! This is exactly where my son falls. He is a 2017 and he is still 14 years old until the end of this month. All of you folks can bury your head in the sand all you want but there are 17 year old 2017's running around out there right now. My son was recruited by a highly regarded prep school this past summer. It wasnt even a question whether or not he was going to repeat the grade, it was understood. His club coach (who was a D1 college coach) recommended it and in no uncertain terms told me that D1 coaches "love" reclassified kids and encourage reclassifying whenever possible. So my son will be attending this prep school next fall and repeating the grade and becoming a 2018. I dont consider this cheating in any shape or form. IMO I am just correcting a mistake I made by sending him to kindergarten instead of holding him back like most parents do. My son is a very good 2017, but because of his size and physical maturity, he is definitely behind the 8 ball when it comes to recruiting. He is playing with a 2018 club team and he is still one of the younger kids on the team, most of them are already 15. So to all of you throwing the "cheating" word around, every case is different. More importantly, do a little research and look at D1 rosters and look at the birthdays and look at the schools they come from. An extremely large majority of D1 kids are reclassified and come from Prep schools. Its just reality and its here to stay. In my sons case I believe its going to help him get into a much better college than he would have been able to get into and thats the goal here isnt it?

Reality vs perception.

Tough call. Reality it is cheating. Perception you're ok with it.

Reality you are holding him back a grade to gain an advantage on the sports fields to gain an otherwise advantage getting into a better school. We understand just admit you are cheating. Look at the definition of cheating.

Now you can sometimes get away with cheating. And in life unless you are called out for your miscues you are barely remorseful. Some of us may have cheated on a test or two and in the end it helped us.

It is the ole the ends justifies the means. You don't need to justify it to anyone, you've decided to do it.

Understood, however I disagree. Again, I would say I am correcting my original mistake of not keeping him back when he was younger. Additionally, he is not gaining any advantage, we are simply leveling the odds for him, because as I stated in my earlier post, he will still be young for a 2018. He is not the kind of kid that will dominate at any level, he is a smart, tough, hardworking lacrosse player. Academically, he is a good student, maintaining a 3.5 in all honors courses. Going to a prep school is going to benefit him the most academically, which again is the point of all this. Im not justifying, rather explaining and sharing my particular case with everyone.

Thanks for sharing, but your case is really the exception in the controversy of reclassification and doesn't fit the profile of what angers opponents of the method.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"etiology of the myopic position"

since I played lacrosse in college I have no idea what this means. quite certain my frat boys friends who spent their afternoons playing foosball and video games wouldn't either. I would have been with them had I not had something more purposeful to attend. I've had 2 jobs over the years that were directly attributable to lacrosse connections -- specifically that all important 1st one. Lacrosse connections have helped in various business deals. Today show did a segment this morning on MIT football team. starting QB studying to be rocket scientist and back-up has played violin at Carnegie Hall. So maybe you can be a serious student and athlete. Also I met my beautiful wife because she was on the woman's team. College sports are not for everyone but those of us with real passion for our sport have no regrets.

There is no maybe about it...

Had you and the frat brothers cared to take a page from the MIT guys; then perhaps the meaning would not have been lost on you. A dual major in foosball and video games and a minor in beer typically relegate the standard D1 athlete to a much more narrow set of options if they actually manage to graduate. (The 6 year plan will likely come into play for many; minimizing any potential financial advantage they may have received).

While having the chance to reach out to the alumni support system with any school is a
Great concept; many again don't get to that level and the opportunity is negligible in those cases.

The students who can integrate and associate wth the entire student body will far exceed the success of those who rather limit their associations to small populations of frats and teams. [/quote]

You state your opinions as fact without any evidence supporting your "factual statements". For someone who comes off as having a superior intellect, that shreds your credibility.

I love this line "integrate and associate with the entire student body". Really? What university did you go to? Everyone finds a clique in large social situations; it's human nature. For athletes, it's their team and perhaps a few or many others outside of their team if the person is social and involved. To say that non-athlete cliques definitely produce better positive networks is ignorant at best.

Please we know who you are. It's about lax end of story you just said he has a 3.5 average.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"etiology of the myopic position"

since I played lacrosse in college I have no idea what this means. quite certain my frat boys friends who spent their afternoons playing foosball and video games wouldn't either. I would have been with them had I not had something more purposeful to attend. I've had 2 jobs over the years that were directly attributable to lacrosse connections -- specifically that all important 1st one. Lacrosse connections have helped in various business deals. Today show did a segment this morning on MIT football team. starting QB studying to be rocket scientist and back-up has played violin at Carnegie Hall. So maybe you can be a serious student and athlete. Also I met my beautiful wife because she was on the woman's team. College sports are not for everyone but those of us with real passion for our sport have no regrets.

There is no maybe about it...

Had you and the frat brothers cared to take a page from the MIT guys; then perhaps the meaning would not have been lost on you. A dual major in foosball and video games and a minor in beer typically relegate the standard D1 athlete to a much more narrow set of options if they actually manage to graduate. (The 6 year plan will likely come into play for many; minimizing any potential financial advantage they may have received).

While having the chance to reach out to the alumni support system with any school is a
Great concept; many again don't get to that level and the opportunity is negligible in those cases.

The students who can integrate and associate wth the entire student body will far exceed the success of those who rather limit their associations to small populations of frats and teams.

You state your opinions as fact without any evidence supporting your "factual statements". For someone who comes off as having a superior intellect, that shreds your credibility.

I love this line "integrate and associate with the entire student body". Really? What university did you go to? Everyone finds a clique in large social situations; it's human nature. For athletes, it's their team and perhaps a few or many others outside of their team if the person is social and involved. To say that non-athlete cliques definitely produce better positive networks is ignorant at best. [/quote]

Nice try at a weak retort. Unsubstantiated and fueled by a completely emotional knee jerk response. Clearly the cleat must have fit? Statistically in a purely empirical observation; one would have to agree that the athletic cliques represent an extreme minority in any large school and are then further subdivided by their individual sports and then smaller associations internally within each sport thereby reducing said potential network to insignificant levels except for those few who may end up in the same field, ironically possibly competing against each other for jobs and or connections and favors.

The student body at large, however, will form broader and more diverse associations that are not limited by the social fences that athletic teams tend to build around themselves while placing themselves on pedestals. They not only keep others out, but also deny themselves access to vast numbers of potential connections within said student body.

To deny that these barriers exist would be pure ignorance on your part and expected based on your narrow perspectives.

As a former nationally ranked D1 athlete; I speak from personal observations and experiences.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclassification - was designed for the underdeveloped child that barely missed the cut off date - so her or she does NOT have sit out for safety concerns...

Simple- that's it!!

Reclassification was NEVER intended to provide a venue for a midyear birthday player to leverage an extra year of maturity to dominate younger, smaller boys kids in competitive events for D1 aspirations.

From a Coach's prospective - I will discount a Reclassified player's performance when evaluating and projecting talent levels...
Does that make sense??

Great post! This is exactly where my son falls. He is a 2017 and he is still 14 years old until the end of this month. All of you folks can bury your head in the sand all you want but there are 17 year old 2017's running around out there right now. My son was recruited by a highly regarded prep school this past summer. It wasnt even a question whether or not he was going to repeat the grade, it was understood. His club coach (who was a D1 college coach) recommended it and in no uncertain terms told me that D1 coaches "love" reclassified kids and encourage reclassifying whenever possible. So my son will be attending this prep school next fall and repeating the grade and becoming a 2018. I dont consider this cheating in any shape or form. IMO I am just correcting a mistake I made by sending him to kindergarten instead of holding him back like most parents do. My son is a very good 2017, but because of his size and physical maturity, he is definitely behind the 8 ball when it comes to recruiting. He is playing with a 2018 club team and he is still one of the younger kids on the team, most of them are already 15. So to all of you throwing the "cheating" word around, every case is different. More importantly, do a little research and look at D1 rosters and look at the birthdays and look at the schools they come from. An extremely large majority of D1 kids are reclassified and come from Prep schools. Its just reality and its here to stay. In my sons case I believe its going to help him get into a much better college than he would have been able to get into and thats the goal here isnt it?

Reality vs perception.

Tough call. Reality it is cheating. Perception you're ok with it.

Reality you are holding him back a grade to gain an advantage on the sports fields to gain an otherwise advantage getting into a better school. We understand just admit you are cheating. Look at the definition of cheating.

Now you can sometimes get away with cheating. And in life unless you are called out for your miscues you are barely remorseful. Some of us may have cheated on a test or two and in the end it helped us.

It is the ole the ends justifies the means. You don't need to justify it to anyone, you've decided to do it.

Understood, however I disagree. Again, I would say I am correcting my original mistake of not keeping him back when he was younger. Additionally, he is not gaining any advantage, we are simply leveling the odds for him, because as I stated in my earlier post, he will still be young for a 2018. He is not the kind of kid that will dominate at any level, he is a smart, tough, hardworking lacrosse player. Academically, he is a good student, maintaining a 3.5 in all honors courses. Going to a prep school is going to benefit him the most academically, which again is the point of all this. Im not justifying, rather explaining and sharing my particular case with everyone.

Thanks for sharing, but your case is really the exception in the controversy of reclassification and doesn't fit the profile of what angers opponents of the method.

You need to clarify month of birth please? true 2018 are born in 2000, so how is your late 1999 birthdate kid young for 2018?

You said he was young for 2018? That can only be possible if the rest of the kids on that club also reclassed and as such you felt some pressure? Did they tell you his chances of d-1 were better if he reclassed? It is all about you wanting him to play d-1 at whatever cost...let's not feel sorry for ourselves please...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclassification - was designed for the underdeveloped child that barely missed the cut off date - so her or she does NOT have sit out for safety concerns...

Simple- that's it!!

Reclassification was NEVER intended to provide a venue for a midyear birthday player to leverage an extra year of maturity to dominate younger, smaller boys kids in competitive events for D1 aspirations.

From a Coach's prospective - I will discount a Reclassified player's performance when evaluating and projecting talent levels...
Does that make sense??

Great post! This is exactly where my son falls. He is a 2017 and he is still 14 years old until the end of this month. All of you folks can bury your head in the sand all you want but there are 17 year old 2017's running around out there right now. My son was recruited by a highly regarded prep school this past summer. It wasnt even a question whether or not he was going to repeat the grade, it was understood. His club coach (who was a D1 college coach) recommended it and in no uncertain terms told me that D1 coaches "love" reclassified kids and encourage reclassifying whenever possible. So my son will be attending this prep school next fall and repeating the grade and becoming a 2018. I dont consider this cheating in any shape or form. IMO I am just correcting a mistake I made by sending him to kindergarten instead of holding him back like most parents do. My son is a very good 2017, but because of his size and physical maturity, he is definitely behind the 8 ball when it comes to recruiting. He is playing with a 2018 club team and he is still one of the younger kids on the team, most of them are already 15. So to all of you throwing the "cheating" word around, every case is different. More importantly, do a little research and look at D1 rosters and look at the birthdays and look at the schools they come from. An extremely large majority of D1 kids are reclassified and come from Prep schools. Its just reality and its here to stay. In my sons case I believe its going to help him get into a much better college than he would have been able to get into and thats the goal here isnt it?

Reality vs perception.

Tough call. Reality it is cheating. Perception you're ok with it.

Reality you are holding him back a grade to gain an advantage on the sports fields to gain an otherwise advantage getting into a better school. We understand just admit you are cheating. Look at the definition of cheating.

Now you can sometimes get away with cheating. And in life unless you are called out for your miscues you are barely remorseful. Some of us may have cheated on a test or two and in the end it helped us.

It is the ole the ends justifies the means. You don't need to justify it to anyone, you've decided to do it.

Understood, however I disagree. Again, I would say I am correcting my original mistake of not keeping him back when he was younger. Additionally, he is not gaining any advantage, we are simply leveling the odds for him, because as I stated in my earlier post, he will still be young for a 2018. He is not the kind of kid that will dominate at any level, he is a smart, tough, hardworking lacrosse player. Academically, he is a good student, maintaining a 3.5 in all honors courses. Going to a prep school is going to benefit him the most academically, which again is the point of all this. Im not justifying, rather explaining and sharing my particular case with everyone.

Thanks for sharing, but your case is really the exception in the controversy of reclassification and doesn't fit the profile of what angers opponents of the method.

You need to clarify month of birth please? true 2018 are born in 2000, so how is your late 1999 birthdate kid young for 2018?

You said he was young for 2018? That can only be possible if the rest of the kids on that club also reclassed and as such you felt some pressure? Did they tell you his chances of d-1 were better if he reclassed? It is all about you wanting him to play d-1 at whatever cost...let's not feel sorry for ourselves please...

Be careful where you send him to prep school. If its an all boys school it will be a PG factory and he'll never see the field and you'll be wasting your money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclassification - was designed for the underdeveloped child that barely missed the cut off date - so her or she does NOT have sit out for safety concerns...

Simple- that's it!!

Reclassification was NEVER intended to provide a venue for a midyear birthday player to leverage an extra year of maturity to dominate younger, smaller boys kids in competitive events for D1 aspirations.

From a Coach's prospective - I will discount a Reclassified player's performance when evaluating and projecting talent levels...
Does that make sense??

Great post! This is exactly where my son falls. He is a 2017 and he is still 14 years old until the end of this month. All of you folks can bury your head in the sand all you want but there are 17 year old 2017's running around out there right now. My son was recruited by a highly regarded prep school this past summer. It wasnt even a question whether or not he was going to repeat the grade, it was understood. His club coach (who was a D1 college coach) recommended it and in no uncertain terms told me that D1 coaches "love" reclassified kids and encourage reclassifying whenever possible. So my son will be attending this prep school next fall and repeating the grade and becoming a 2018. I dont consider this cheating in any shape or form. IMO I am just correcting a mistake I made by sending him to kindergarten instead of holding him back like most parents do. My son is a very good 2017, but because of his size and physical maturity, he is definitely behind the 8 ball when it comes to recruiting. He is playing with a 2018 club team and he is still one of the younger kids on the team, most of them are already 15. So to all of you throwing the "cheating" word around, every case is different. More importantly, do a little research and look at D1 rosters and look at the birthdays and look at the schools they come from. An extremely large majority of D1 kids are reclassified and come from Prep schools. Its just reality and its here to stay. In my sons case I believe its going to help him get into a much better college than he would have been able to get into and thats the goal here isnt it?

Reality vs perception.

Tough call. Reality it is cheating. Perception you're ok with it.

Reality you are holding him back a grade to gain an advantage on the sports fields to gain an otherwise advantage getting into a better school. We understand just admit you are cheating. Look at the definition of cheating.

Now you can sometimes get away with cheating. And in life unless you are called out for your miscues you are barely remorseful. Some of us may have cheated on a test or two and in the end it helped us.

It is the ole the ends justifies the means. You don't need to justify it to anyone, you've decided to do it.

Understood, however I disagree. Again, I would say I am correcting my original mistake of not keeping him back when he was younger. Additionally, he is not gaining any advantage, we are simply leveling the odds for him, because as I stated in my earlier post, he will still be young for a 2018. He is not the kind of kid that will dominate at any level, he is a smart, tough, hardworking lacrosse player. Academically, he is a good student, maintaining a 3.5 in all honors courses. Going to a prep school is going to benefit him the most academically, which again is the point of all this. Im not justifying, rather explaining and sharing my particular case with everyone.

Thanks for sharing, but your case is really the exception in the controversy of reclassification and doesn't fit the profile of what angers opponents of the method.

You need to clarify month of birth please? true 2018 are born in 2000, so how is your late 1999 birthdate kid young for 2018?

You said he was young for 2018? That can only be possible if the rest of the kids on that club also reclassed and as such you felt some pressure? Did they tell you his chances of d-1 were better if he reclassed? It is all about you wanting him to play d-1 at whatever cost...let's not feel sorry for ourselves please...

Hes a Nov. 1999 bday. Most of the kids on his club team are Fall 1999 bdays and even some summer. Maybe hes not young for a 2018 but hes certainly not older and therefore not gaining a competitive advantage. IMO like I said we are leveling the playing field for him. Not sure where I came across as feeling sorry for myself, I am simply sharing my story for some personal perspective. Additionally its not about D1 at all costs, I will be perfectly happy with him playing at a quality D3 program with strong academics, which would be a tremendous accomplishment in and of itself.

wasnt there a guy for duke last year that was 29?

what a cheater!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wasnt there a guy for duke last year that was 29?

what a cheater!!

Im sincerely hoping your being sarcastic and being inflammatory on purpose. If you are referring to Casey Caroll, the Duke Defenseman, yes he was 29 years old. He was an all American at Duke and he left the school to join the Army and he ended up doing two tours in Afghanistan. He had one year of eligibility left, so he came back and played last year for Duke. This is an American hero, an example that all young men that play this sport can follow and it was a tremendous story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wasnt there a guy for duke last year that was 29?

what a cheater!!

Im sincerely hoping your being sarcastic and being inflammatory on purpose. If you are referring to Casey Caroll, the Duke Defenseman, yes he was 29 years old. He was an all American at Duke and he left the school to join the Army and he ended up doing two tours in Afghanistan. He had one year of eligibility left, so he came back and played last year for Duke. This is an American hero, an example that all young men that play this sport can follow and it was a tremendous story.

May be an American hero but he does not belong competing with 21 year olds. Time to move on! A 29 year old is too old for college level lacrosse

A 21 year old can spin circles around a 29 year old so why does it matter that that he is 29? Go get a life.!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wasnt there a guy for duke last year that was 29?

what a cheater!!

Im sincerely hoping your being sarcastic and being inflammatory on purpose. If you are referring to Casey Caroll, the Duke Defenseman, yes he was 29 years old. He was an all American at Duke and he left the school to join the Army and he ended up doing two tours in Afghanistan. He had one year of eligibility left, so he came back and played last year for Duke. This is an American hero, an example that all young men that play this sport can follow and it was a tremendous story.

May be an American hero but he does not belong competing with 21 year olds. Time to move on! A 29 year old is too old for college level lacrosse

This ^ has to be the most boneheaded post ever on this site.
you are a complete [lacrosse]. I'm sickened by you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wasnt there a guy for duke last year that was 29?

what a cheater!!

Im sincerely hoping your being sarcastic and being inflammatory on purpose. If you are referring to Casey Caroll, the Duke Defenseman, yes he was 29 years old. He was an all American at Duke and he left the school to join the Army and he ended up doing two tours in Afghanistan. He had one year of eligibility left, so he came back and played last year for Duke. This is an American hero, an example that all young men that play this sport can follow and it was a tremendous story.

May be an American hero but he does not belong competing with 21 year olds. Time to move on! A 29 year old is too old for college level lacrosse

This ^ has to be the most boneheaded post ever on this site.
you are a complete [lacrosse]. I'm sickened by you.

I think he said what a lot of people were thinking. You respect he served but was there a need to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wasnt there a guy for duke last year that was 29?

what a cheater!!

Im sincerely hoping your being sarcastic and being inflammatory on purpose. If you are referring to Casey Caroll, the Duke Defenseman, yes he was 29 years old. He was an all American at Duke and he left the school to join the Army and he ended up doing two tours in Afghanistan. He had one year of eligibility left, so he came back and played last year for Duke. This is an American hero, an example that all young men that play this sport can follow and it was a tremendous story.

May be an American hero but he does not belong competing with 21 year olds. Time to move on! A 29 year old is too old for college level lacrosse

This ^ has to be the most boneheaded post ever on this site.
you are a complete [lacrosse]. I'm sickened by you.

I think he said what a lot of people were thinking. You respect he served but was there a need to play.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wasnt there a guy for duke last year that was 29?

what a cheater!!

Im sincerely hoping your being sarcastic and being inflammatory on purpose. If you are referring to Casey Caroll, the Duke Defenseman, yes he was 29 years old. He was an all American at Duke and he left the school to join the Army and he ended up doing two tours in Afghanistan. He had one year of eligibility left, so he came back and played last year for Duke. This is an American hero, an example that all young men that play this sport can follow and it was a tremendous story.

May be an American hero but he does not belong competing with 21 year olds. Time to move on! A 29 year old is too old for college level lacrosse

This ^ has to be the most boneheaded post ever on this site.
you are a complete [lacrosse]. I'm sickened by you.

I think he said what a lot of people were thinking. You respect he served but was there a need to play.

He went to serve his country. He left what he loved for a higher purpose. To fight for your freedom and security. Came home to fulfill and unfinished goal. What is the problem with that??

All of your children should experience what he did and then let us see if your opinion changes. That is if they actually come back. Would you deny them? I think not.

Big difference here guys... Lets not confuse an Americsn war hero whom put his life on the line, and decide to finish out his final year of sports eligibility -
To some over privileged 8th grader, whom has the means to flip a $40,000/ yr prep tuition - only to athletically stand out on against a bunch of middle schoolers...
Don't take the bait...

Elephant in the room time. The one fraternity at UVa most joined by UVa lacrosse players? Phi Psi. Been that way for decades. Even now it is a place players take recruits to party. Sh7t show if a lacrosse player is involved in any way in this frat scandal.

Anyone who makes a derogatory remark about Casey Carroll should have their head examined. Casey represents what was and is great about not only College sports but also this Country. Yes he spent 4 years at Duke and graduated but left with 1 year of eligabilty left due to a severe knee injury his Sophmore year, spent 4 years with the Army Rangers doing 2 tours in Afganistan. He returned to Duke and was granted his year of eligability by the NCAA, he suffered a severe knee injury and needed surgery. The NCAA again granted him his year back and he was able to play his last year in 2014. In my opinion a Great ending to a Fascinating 10 year ride. Tell me another player you should admire more!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone who makes a derogatory remark about Casey Carroll should have their head examined. Casey represents what was and is great about not only College sports but also this Country. Yes he spent 4 years at Duke and graduated but left with 1 year of eligabilty left due to a severe knee injury his Sophmore year, spent 4 years with the Army Rangers doing 2 tours in Afganistan. He returned to Duke and was granted his year of eligability by the NCAA, he suffered a severe knee injury and needed surgery. The NCAA again granted him his year back and he was able to play his last year in 2014. In my opinion a Great ending to a Fascinating 10 year ride. Tell me another player you should admire more!

Well said!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclassification - was designed for the underdeveloped child that barely missed the cut off date - so her or she does NOT have sit out for safety concerns...

Simple- that's it!!

Reclassification was NEVER intended to provide a venue for a midyear birthday player to leverage an extra year of maturity to dominate younger, smaller boys kids in competitive events for D1 aspirations.

From a Coach's prospective - I will discount a Reclassified player's performance when evaluating and projecting talent levels...
Does that make sense??

Great post! This is exactly where my son falls. He is a 2017 and he is still 14 years old until the end of this month. All of you folks can bury your head in the sand all you want but there are 17 year old 2017's running around out there right now. My son was recruited by a highly regarded prep school this past summer. It wasnt even a question whether or not he was going to repeat the grade, it was understood. His club coach (who was a D1 college coach) recommended it and in no uncertain terms told me that D1 coaches "love" reclassified kids and encourage reclassifying whenever possible. So my son will be attending this prep school next fall and repeating the grade and becoming a 2018. I dont consider this cheating in any shape or form. IMO I am just correcting a mistake I made by sending him to kindergarten instead of holding him back like most parents do. My son is a very good 2017, but because of his size and physical maturity, he is definitely behind the 8 ball when it comes to recruiting. He is playing with a 2018 club team and he is still one of the younger kids on the team, most of them are already 15. So to all of you throwing the "cheating" word around, every case is different. More importantly, do a little research and look at D1 rosters and look at the birthdays and look at the schools they come from. An extremely large majority of D1 kids are reclassified and come from Prep schools. Its just reality and its here to stay. In my sons case I believe its going to help him get into a much better college than he would have been able to get into and thats the goal here isnt it?

Reality vs perception.

Tough call. Reality it is cheating. Perception you're ok with it.

Reality you are holding him back a grade to gain an advantage on the sports fields to gain an otherwise advantage getting into a better school. We understand just admit you are cheating. Look at the definition of cheating.

Now you can sometimes get away with cheating. And in life unless you are called out for your miscues you are barely remorseful. Some of us may have cheated on a test or two and in the end it helped us.

It is the ole the ends justifies the means. You don't need to justify it to anyone, you've decided to do it.

Understood, however I disagree. Again, I would say I am correcting my original mistake of not keeping him back when he was younger. Additionally, he is not gaining any advantage, we are simply leveling the odds for him, because as I stated in my earlier post, he will still be young for a 2018. He is not the kind of kid that will dominate at any level, he is a smart, tough, hardworking lacrosse player. Academically, he is a good student, maintaining a 3.5 in all honors courses. Going to a prep school is going to benefit him the most academically, which again is the point of all this. Im not justifying, rather explaining and sharing my particular case with everyone.

Thanks for sharing, but your case is really the exception in the controversy of reclassification and doesn't fit the profile of what angers opponents of the method.

Rumor has it there is a strong movement out there to bring all tournaments into an age based grid. Including HS and recruiting tourns. It will be much like soccer and hockey, birth certificate need to get card. No card, no play. The reclass thing is about to come to screeching halt. Feel for all those that tried to game the system. Time to pay up folks... I hear the college coaches are tired of watching older kids play against younger competition, they feel like they're getting duped. Many of these holdbacks and reclass kids can't compete when they set foot on campus.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone who makes a derogatory remark about Casey Carroll should have their head examined. Casey represents what was and is great about not only College sports but also this Country. Yes he spent 4 years at Duke and graduated but left with 1 year of eligabilty left due to a severe knee injury his Sophmore year, spent 4 years with the Army Rangers doing 2 tours in Afganistan. He returned to Duke and was granted his year of eligability by the NCAA, he suffered a severe knee injury and needed surgery. The NCAA again granted him his year back and he was able to play his last year in 2014. In my opinion a Great ending to a Fascinating 10 year ride. Tell me another player you should admire more!

Well said!!!!

That thread is proof of ignorance at all costs by the insecure dads sheltering these insecure repeat kids. Casey went off to serve his country. If some kid graduated HS and went off on Peace Corps or a Mormon Mission I would think of those kids, together with Casey, as being a great story for an older kid coming back to finish college and play the college game.

It is disgusting but not surprising that Maryland dads hide behind these shrouds. Now don't call their kid reclassifieds. With the negative connotation to that term, they now want their kid to be considered "prepping" for another year with no reference to repeat or reclassified.

The older generation must be whincing. I know the Stanwicks well. If one of those kids asked his parents if he can reclassify they'd have him raking leaves on all the lawns of Baltimore County for having the tamarity to be such a coward.

Rumor has it there is a strong movement out there to bring all tournaments into an age based grid. Including HS and recruiting tourns. It will be much like soccer and hockey, birth certificate need to get card. No card, no play. The reclass thing is about to come to screeching halt. Feel for all those that tried to game the system. Time to pay up folks... I hear the college coaches are tired of watching older kids play against younger competition, they feel like they're getting duped. Many of these holdbacks and reclass kids can't compete when they set foot on campus. [/quote]

US Lacrosse has tried and tried, but club owners just go the other way and run grade based tournaments that are not US Lacrosse sanctioned or under the USL insurance policy. So US Lacrosse in effect is neutered and not taken seriously. I don't think the college coaches feel "duped". Do they really offer a kid not knowing some baseline information including his d.o.b.? Rather doubt it. I could relate to a point that BETTER evaluations are possible when the kids are age bracketed for club play like in soccer and hockey. Quite honestly the club guys would run a tournament with rats chewing on kids' socks if they could make more money and get away with it. The honest arbiters need to be elsewhere. USL is useless and the college coaches have NEVER voted with their feet to only attend age based events or said/done anything that would indicate a disdain for repeat kids.

It is pretty obvious already if you have a 2015 or 2016 or 2017 son (I have 2016 and 2017 sons) that the U-15 darlings are not developing to be the best soph, juniors and seniors. That is absolutely true in the hotbed we are in, and looks the case in other areas. NCAA coaches who filled up their cups with early commits that were also reclassified kids are in trouble and they know it. For now, it looks like the more likely scenario is to keep recruiting and just drop the verbal commits to 9th graders later on. That will be cruel onto the early commit kids, but does anyone really 100% trust what a NCAA lacrosse coach says or promises? I don't for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone who makes a derogatory remark about Casey Carroll should have their head examined. Casey represents what was and is great about not only College sports but also this Country. Yes he spent 4 years at Duke and graduated but left with 1 year of eligabilty left due to a severe knee injury his Sophmore year, spent 4 years with the Army Rangers doing 2 tours in Afganistan. He returned to Duke and was granted his year of eligability by the NCAA, he suffered a severe knee injury and needed surgery. The NCAA again granted him his year back and he was able to play his last year in 2014. In my opinion a Great ending to a Fascinating 10 year ride. Tell me another player you should admire more!

Well said!!!!

That thread is proof of ignorance at all costs by the insecure dads sheltering these insecure repeat kids. Casey went off to serve his country. If some kid graduated HS and went off on Peace Corps or a Mormon Mission I would think of those kids, together with Casey, as being a great story for an older kid coming back to finish college and play the college game.

It is disgusting but not surprising that Maryland dads hide behind these shrouds. Now don't call their kid reclassifieds. With the negative connotation to that term, they now want their kid to be considered "prepping" for another year with no reference to repeat or reclassified.

The older generation must be whincing. I know the Stanwicks well. If one of those kids asked his parents if he can reclassify they'd have him raking leaves on all the lawns of Baltimore County for having the tamarity to be such a coward.

I believe the rule that boys can't play in the MIAA after turning 21 years of age is referred to as the "Stanwick" rule...do you know them well????

To the gentleman who "knows" the Stanwicks well...Wells will be 24 at graduation, Steele was 23...most students graduate at 21 or 22

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone who makes a derogatory remark about Casey Carroll should have their head examined. Casey represents what was and is great about not only College sports but also this Country. Yes he spent 4 years at Duke and graduated but left with 1 year of eligabilty left due to a severe knee injury his Sophmore year, spent 4 years with the Army Rangers doing 2 tours in Afganistan. He returned to Duke and was granted his year of eligability by the NCAA, he suffered a severe knee injury and needed surgery. The NCAA again granted him his year back and he was able to play his last year in 2014. In my opinion a Great ending to a Fascinating 10 year ride. Tell me another player you should admire more!

Well said!!!!

That thread is proof of ignorance at all costs by the insecure dads sheltering these insecure repeat kids. Casey went off to serve his country. If some kid graduated HS and went off on Peace Corps or a Mormon Mission I would think of those kids, together with Casey, as being a great story for an older kid coming back to finish college and play the college game.

It is disgusting but not surprising that Maryland dads hide behind these shrouds. Now don't call their kid reclassifieds. With the negative connotation to that term, they now want their kid to be considered "prepping" for another year with no reference to repeat or reclassified.

The older generation must be whincing. I know the Stanwicks well. If one of those kids asked his parents if he can reclassify they'd have him raking leaves on all the lawns of Baltimore County for having the tamarity to be such a coward.

I believe the rule that boys can't play in the MIAA after turning 21 years of age is referred to as the "Stanwick" rule...do you know them well????

Of the 14 first team AAs for Division I during 2014, 9 were seniors, 4 were juniors and 1 was a soph (21 yrs old and from Bmore - shocking). So don't say that age doesn't matter, it all changes in HS/College. The reclass/holdback/PG/Junior High Redshirt crap is obvious - it helps your boy by competing against younger kids. The impact at the youth level is more pronounced, but let's stop with the BS that holdbacks don't have a distinct advantage. Almost without fail, the best kids from 2017 down through 2024 age groups are born in the second half of the calendar year and were held back. Put those same kids in the appropriate grade/age group and they wouldn't be nearly as good. Something needs to be done about it by USL - it's not a safety issue, it's a fairness issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the gentleman who "knows" the Stanwicks well...Wells will be 24 at graduation, Steele was 23...most students graduate at 21 or 22

BOOM, MD kids have and always will play down...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the gentleman who "knows" the Stanwicks well...Wells will be 24 at graduation, Steele was 23...most students graduate at 21 or 22

Age, it's just a number.

Another ignorant poster. Wells turned 19 in fall of his senior HS year. Shack turned 19 mid senior year of HS. So many idiots posting on here. And by the way, I don't fault them at all. MIAA rules state that you cannot turn 19 BEFORE Sept. 1 of your senior year. I think repeating has many advantages for a kid and zero downside and I have no problem at all with a family making that decision. Main reason? None of my Business!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the gentleman who "knows" the Stanwicks well...Wells will be 24 at graduation, Steele was 23...most students graduate at 21 or 22

Age, it's just a number.

That is funny. Is Shack also old for his class? That whole Boys Latin stuff with the jokes about a student parking lot on the middle school side of the street are pretty funny too. It is amazing to me how much being a sissy is celebrated in Baltimore. Crabs and holdbacks, that is what they do best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the gentleman who "knows" the Stanwicks well...Wells will be 24 at graduation, Steele was 23...most students graduate at 21 or 22

Age, it's just a number.

That is funny. Is Shack also old for his class? That whole Boys Latin stuff with the jokes about a student parking lot on the middle school side of the street are pretty funny too. It is amazing to me how much being a sissy is celebrated in Baltimore. Crabs and holdbacks, that is what they do best.

The biggest sissies are on this site. Dad's whining and complaining that little junior might play against kids a few months older than there little boy. Get out of your kids way and let him grow up.

Yes, because you have to cheat to beat the real talented on age kids. That would make you a sad little loser.and your kid

Haha. I guess you're getting tired of little Johnnie getting run over on the field and have to come on this board to vent your embarrassment. Hard to teach a kid to be a man when the dad is a whining excuse maker.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another ignorant poster. Wells turned 19 in fall of his senior HS year. Shack turned 19 mid senior year of HS. So many idiots posting on here. And by the way, I don't fault them at all. MIAA rules state that you cannot turn 19 BEFORE Sept. 1 of your senior year. I think repeating has many advantages for a kid and zero downside and I have no problem at all with a family making that decision. Main reason? None of my Business!

I am pretty sure Steele was 22 when he graduated UVa. Not at all sure on the brothers. What was written earlier seems wildly inaccurate.

The point isn't 19 year old seniors playing against 18 year old seniors or a matter of a few months age spreads. People get upset when there are 14 year olds out there with 12 year olds. Or 16 year olds against 14 year olds on the same "level" grade playing field in the grade where recruiting is extremely consequential. The response to that is can't beat em so join em and pony up prep school tuitions. Be for or be against, but nobody can argue it is fair for the kids who go the straight line. The integrity of the sport is just gone, and this is not a spiteful point. And really, why is there even an argument against age based club play? Let me answer that one for you: the reclass kids lose a forum to look good. No college coach goes to HS games in spring during their own season. The only place to show your stuff in games live before coaches is club ball. If it was 16 year old ninth grader against all other 16 year olds, I really don't believe that the 9th grader looks comparatively better in most instances. With grade based play he will. There is a huge difference between being a 16 and being a 14 year old. Much bigger than in later teens and twenties with the two year spread.

My 14 year old 9th grader last spring started varsity and most of the players guarding him here in maryland were 19 year old seniors or 18 year old juniors. He competed well and played well but took a brutal beating and had lingering injuries all summer. So pardon me when I call this holdback scam a sissy game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the gentleman who "knows" the Stanwicks well...Wells will be 24 at graduation, Steele was 23...most students graduate at 21 or 22

Age, it's just a number.

That is funny. Is Shack also old for his class? That whole Boys Latin stuff with the jokes about a student parking lot on the middle school side of the street are pretty funny too. It is amazing to me how much being a sissy is celebrated in Baltimore. Crabs and holdbacks, that is what they do best.

The biggest sissies are on this site. Dad's whining and complaining that little junior might play against kids a few months older than there little boy. Get out of your kids way and let him grow up.

I will take the bait. I watched on the sidelines a weekend ago as my son who is in the sixth grade and plays up on a 6th / 7th grade team (and no, it is not a Baltimore team) was mauled by a team of 8th graders playing down. It was great sport (for the older boys who were 4 to 6 inches taller and 30 to 40 pounds heavier). My mistake was allowing my son to play up when I thought it was only kids a year older that he would be playing against rather that boys two and three years older. The issue is not boys "a few months older", but boys a few years older. If this makes me a "sissy" and a "whiner" and being concerned about "little junior" then that's fine, that's my role. By the way, I think I am doing just fine trying to help my son "grow up". It would be nice, however, if he was allowed to do so without parents and club owners insisting on playing kids down to get size and age advantage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Haha. I guess you're getting tired of little Johnnie getting run over on the field and have to come on this board to vent your embarrassment. Hard to teach a kid to be a man when the dad is a whining excuse maker.

Tired of watching 16 year olds running over 14 year olds in club lacrosse? Yes, I think a lot of us are sick of that and would like to see it changed. And when were the parents of the 14 year olds making excuses? Showing up to play and doing the best they can. There isn't a rule against repeating grades, but I don't think club play is where repeat kids should run to hide. My son is a young man who played every minute of 20+ varisty games against poles 5+ years older than he was, and he didn't tap out. Yes, I do lament the welts and the other brutal tear he took last spring as part of the problem. The reclassified tough guy dads always have something to say to excuse it in some way or deflect the point. If you need the crutches of being a 15 year old 8th grader or a 16 year old 9th grader, you're wired weak. It catches up to you in sports and in life. I hope you run your own business, because at this rate of emotional safe harbours you son will be too scared to interview in the real world from a flat start.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the gentleman who "knows" the Stanwicks well...Wells will be 24 at graduation, Steele was 23...most students graduate at 21 or 22

Age, it's just a number.

That is funny. Is Shack also old for his class? That whole Boys Latin stuff with the jokes about a student parking lot on the middle school side of the street are pretty funny too. It is amazing to me how much being a sissy is celebrated in Baltimore. Crabs and holdbacks, that is what they do best.

The biggest sissies are on this site. Dad's whining and complaining that little junior might play against kids a few months older than there little boy. Get out of your kids way and let him grow up.

I will take the bait. I watched on the sidelines a weekend ago as my son who is in the sixth grade and plays up on a 6th / 7th grade team (and no, it is not a Baltimore team) was mauled by a team of 8th graders playing down. It was great sport (for the older boys who were 4 to 6 inches taller and 30 to 40 pounds heavier). My mistake was allowing my son to play up when I thought it was only kids a year older that he would be playing against rather that boys two and three years older. The issue is not boys "a few months older", but boys a few years older. If this makes me a "sissy" and a "whiner" and being concerned about "little junior" then that's fine, that's my role. By the way, I think I am doing just fine trying to help my son "grow up". It would be nice, however, if he was allowed to do so without parents and club owners insisting on playing kids down to get size and age advantage.

No disputing the honesty in your post. It is our job to do what we can to keep our kids safe first. That is getting close to impossible in the middle school grades now. The most toxic combo is the 6th & 7th grade blended teams or the 7th and 8th grade blended teams. One of my sons was on a team like that because the club didn't want to cut kids who didn't make the 7th or 8th grade "A" team. It was well meaning, but the club wound up apologizing for how gross it was in some tournaments seeing repeat 8th graders against the smallest 7th graders on my son's team trying to hold on. At bottom it was sad to witness and we even had one tournament where the referee said he felt dirty having to ref a game like that.

This is all real funny anonymous tough guy daddy talk from the defenders of holding back now on a chat board, but it won't be funny at all when there is a crumpled 12 year old 7th grader on the field after getting plowed by a 15 year old 8th grader. Anyone who thinks this validates their overaged kids or defends it is just plainly wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the gentleman who "knows" the Stanwicks well...Wells will be 24 at graduation, Steele was 23...most students graduate at 21 or 22

Age, it's just a number.

That is funny. Is Shack also old for his class? That whole Boys Latin stuff with the jokes about a student parking lot on the middle school side of the street are pretty funny too. It is amazing to me how much being a sissy is celebrated in Baltimore. Crabs and holdbacks, that is what they do best.

The biggest sissies are on this site. Dad's whining and complaining that little junior might play against kids a few months older than there little boy. Get out of your kids way and let him grow up.

The dad sisssy's are the one's reclassing their kids...your are the sissy!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclassification - was designed for the underdeveloped child that barely missed the cut off date - so her or she does NOT have sit out for safety concerns...

Simple- that's it!!

Reclassification was NEVER intended to provide a venue for a midyear birthday player to leverage an extra year of maturity to dominate younger, smaller boys kids in competitive events for D1 aspirations.

From a Coach's prospective - I will discount a Reclassified player's performance when evaluating and projecting talent levels...
Does that make sense??

Great post! This is exactly where my son falls. He is a 2017 and he is still 14 years old until the end of this month. All of you folks can bury your head in the sand all you want but there are 17 year old 2017's running around out there right now. My son was recruited by a highly regarded prep school this past summer. It wasnt even a question whether or not he was going to repeat the grade, it was understood. His club coach (who was a D1 college coach) recommended it and in no uncertain terms told me that D1 coaches "love" reclassified kids and encourage reclassifying whenever possible. So my son will be attending this prep school next fall and repeating the grade and becoming a 2018. I dont consider this cheating in any shape or form. IMO I am just correcting a mistake I made by sending him to kindergarten instead of holding him back like most parents do. My son is a very good 2017, but because of his size and physical maturity, he is definitely behind the 8 ball when it comes to recruiting. He is playing with a 2018 club team and he is still one of the younger kids on the team, most of them are already 15. So to all of you throwing the "cheating" word around, every case is different. More importantly, do a little research and look at D1 rosters and look at the birthdays and look at the schools they come from. An extremely large majority of D1 kids are reclassified and come from Prep schools. Its just reality and its here to stay. In my sons case I believe its going to help him get into a much better college than he would have been able to get into and thats the goal here isnt it?

Reality vs perception.

Tough call. Reality it is cheating. Perception you're ok with it.

Reality you are holding him back a grade to gain an advantage on the sports fields to gain an otherwise advantage getting into a better school. We understand just admit you are cheating. Look at the definition of cheating.

Now you can sometimes get away with cheating. And in life unless you are called out for your miscues you are barely remorseful. Some of us may have cheated on a test or two and in the end it helped us.

It is the ole the ends justifies the means. You don't need to justify it to anyone, you've decided to do it.

Understood, however I disagree. Again, I would say I am correcting my original mistake of not keeping him back when he was younger. Additionally, he is not gaining any advantage, we are simply leveling the odds for him, because as I stated in my earlier post, he will still be young for a 2018. He is not the kind of kid that will dominate at any level, he is a smart, tough, hardworking lacrosse player. Academically, he is a good student, maintaining a 3.5 in all honors courses. Going to a prep school is going to benefit him the most academically, which again is the point of all this. Im not justifying, rather explaining and sharing my particular case with everyone.

Thanks for sharing, but your case is really the exception in the controversy of reclassification and doesn't fit the profile of what angers opponents of the method.

Rumor has it there is a strong movement out there to bring all tournaments into an age based grid. Including HS and recruiting tourns. It will be much like soccer and hockey, birth certificate need to get card. No card, no play. The reclass thing is about to come to screeching halt. Feel for all those that tried to game the system. Time to pay up folks... I hear the college coaches are tired of watching older kids play against younger competition, they feel like they're getting duped. Many of these holdbacks and reclass kids can't compete when they set foot on campus.

Laughable. The college coaches love to sink their hooks into reclassified players. Nice try. The momentum of this trend will only be getting stronger. The only ones that lose out are the families that can't afford to park their kid at a private school. So, this trend is perpetuating the stigma that it's a rich kid's game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elephant in the room time. The one fraternity at UVa most joined by UVa lacrosse players? Phi Psi. Been that way for decades. Even now it is a place players take recruits to party. Sh7t show if a lacrosse player is involved in any way in this frat scandal.

If there are lax players involved, Starsia is toast.

We've been down this road so many times...

Yes it is deplorable that reclassed kids must use a younger venue to be able to become visible for recruiting purposes.

It's not going away anytime soon.

The only immediate solution is for dads of younger than 2017/2018 to get as much additional training as possible. Showing up for practice is not going to be enough.

Do what we did: invest in the best private coaching you can for your sons position.
Invest in an early age appropriate private conditioning program with a personal trainer.

Get him on the best team he can qualify for where he has a realistic chance of starting or at least get even playing time (those clubs are out there)

Maintain strict academic standards. No high grades = no lax or other sports. It's a priveledge, not a right to play.

Look for any signs of stress. It's supposed to be fun. If it's not; find out why and try to work towards a solution.

Let him find his way; don't push.

Be 100% supportive; win or lose.

If he's good; he will kick the butts on the older kids who have to play down. Typically, their skill sets don't match their physical maturity advantage (why would they be playing down instead of with their peers?) and are easy prey for good players.

Be positive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.

Yeah but Navy's requirements are high, the curriculum is rigorous when you gain entry and prep is free, as well as free 4 years of education and one of the best schools in the nation, no reason NOT to go for it.

You are 100% right, did almost the same with my son and it has worked, skill and lacrosse IQ trump age every time

It would be the decent thing for the lacrosse media (Ty Xanders this means you) to at least note this development in the Rambo case.

http://laxmagazine.com/college_men/...r_wont_face_first_degree_assault_charges

The state voluntarily dropped the felony charges against Rambo and Cooper because they cannot prosecute those charges with the evidence they have. Yes, Rambo and Cooper still face a misdemeanor charge but driving 76 mph in a 55 in Maryland can be reckless driving misdemeanor.

Hey Ty, is the notoriety not so good to note the good news for Rambo and UMD? You waited about ten seconds to pimp the bad out when you had that chance.

Your right my son is a 4ft 7inch long pole defenseman, and his trainer MC from Expess tells me with about 50 more training sessions my kid should be ready for DI, with that news we are very positive, Happy Thanks Giving to every one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be the decent thing for the lacrosse media (Ty Xanders this means you) to at least note this development in the Rambo case.

http://laxmagazine.com/college_men/...r_wont_face_first_degree_assault_charges

The state voluntarily dropped the felony charges against Rambo and Cooper because they cannot prosecute those charges with the evidence they have. Yes, Rambo and Cooper still face a misdemeanor charge but driving 76 mph in a 55 in Maryland can be reckless driving misdemeanor.

Hey Ty, is the notoriety not so good to note the good news for Rambo and UMD? You waited about ten seconds to pimp the bad out when you had that chance.

good news?? what are you going on about? there are still second degree assault charges and destruction of property issues and the asst has been dismissed.

reduction in charges does not obviate the overall degree of criminality.

I guess that counts for good new at UMD as long as the star doesn't get to do some time for felonious assault. He is still a thug in any case.

Not saying Ty was right in reporting initial Rambo news but his job is not to report on all things related to lacrosse. His primary job is to report on the recruiting scene. Anything outside of that is optional and not "his job". Leave that to the other major lacrosse media outlets.

Anybody know where the Boys 2017 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 forum went.
I somehow ended up on the Matt Rambo incident!!

Change of topic with a question:
My son is scheduled to attend a showcase mid January. He suffered a non lacrosse related concussion and is on restricted activity for, likely, the most of the next month.

We figure that he will have 1-2 weeks at most to get back into some playing shape, assuming he gets cleared.

Would you pull him out of the showcase now before the refund deadline or chance it and see how he feels at the time?

The showcase is being staffed and run by coaches of D1 and D3 programs that he would like to attend.

Appreciate your thoughts.

Novice question..Hab played in tourney recently and was happy to receive an email 'invite' to suny albany winter "Dane for a day". Is it sent to everyone?

Seriously.
Who cares about lacrosse, that's your kids brain.
Have him contact the coaches of the teams he is interested in and ask them what there schedule is for future showcases.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Change of topic with a question:
My son is scheduled to attend a showcase mid January. He suffered a non lacrosse related concussion and is on restricted activity for, likely, the most of the next month.

We figure that he will have 1-2 weeks at most to get back into some playing shape, assuming he gets cleared.

Would you pull him out of the showcase now before the refund deadline or chance it and see how he feels at the time?

The showcase is being staffed and run by coaches of D1 and D3 programs that he would like to attend.

Appreciate your thoughts.

There will be plenty of other opps for them to see your son at 100% health. Don't chance it with something like this. If it's his first be thankful. If he gets a 2nd concussion so soon after the 1st because you rushed him, then he will be very prone to future concussions and most likely end his lacrosse career early. Even if he doesn't have a recurrence, for sure he won't be 100% in game shape and probably won't show his best, which could get him crossed off many coach's lists. Worth the risk for one showcase? I think not on several fronts. Let him heal for the whole winter and be 100% for the Spring. Don't be "that guy". Get your refund.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Change of topic with a question:
My son is scheduled to attend a showcase mid January. He suffered a non lacrosse related concussion and is on restricted activity for, likely, the most of the next month.

We figure that he will have 1-2 weeks at most to get back into some playing shape, assuming he gets cleared.

Would you pull him out of the showcase now before the refund deadline or chance it and see how he feels at the time?

The showcase is being staffed and run by coaches of D1 and D3 programs that he would like to attend.

Appreciate your thoughts.

There will be plenty of other opps for them to see your son at 100% health. Don't chance it with something like this. If it's his first be thankful. If he gets a 2nd concussion so soon after the 1st because you rushed him, then he will be very prone to future concussions and most likely end his lacrosse career early. Even if he doesn't have a recurrence, for sure he won't be 100% in game shape and probably won't show his best, which could get him crossed off many coach's lists. Worth the risk for one showcase? I think not on several fronts. Let him heal for the whole winter and be 100% for the Spring. Don't be "that guy". Get your refund.

Agree. Did you see a specialist and does he have baseline data? My son suffered a concussion and the dr was weary about starting him back before 1-3 months of fast paced play with physical play involved. Give him a month to heal and a month to rest. No lax games until Feb. Not worth the risk!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Change of topic with a question:
My son is scheduled to attend a showcase mid January. He suffered a non lacrosse related concussion and is on restricted activity for, likely, the most of the next month.

We figure that he will have 1-2 weeks at most to get back into some playing shape, assuming he gets cleared.

Would you pull him out of the showcase now before the refund deadline or chance it and see how he feels at the time?

Is he a reclass?
Will duke be at the showcase ?

You are seriously asking the idiots on here instead of a doctor or using Good judgement??

The showcase is being staffed and run by coaches of D1 and D3 programs that he would like to attend.

Appreciate your thoughts.

Concussions are too scary to mess with. Any concussion is bad, but the second concussion is what will alter your son's athletic life for the rest of his life. Once a kid has had 2 in prior 5 years, there is no medical doctor who will clear him to play a contact sport after a 3rd. So with that considered, kids who have had two are on notice they are one moment away from having contact sports taken away from them and that is a hard spot for the kid and the family to be in. Don't mess around with this! I also hope you appreciate this thought...I keep wondering what college coaches will do when they start seeing kids who grew or developed to pass by the early commit kids. If I saw a 2015 or 2016 pole this fall who blew me away but I missed on him because he spent a season or two out injured or just physically bloomed late, as a coach I am going to make a spot for him.

Rest and refund
Just don't ask for your money back with the concussion issue.
Last thing Ya need is coaches hearing/seeing that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rest and refund
Just don't ask for your money back with the concussion issue.
Last thing Ya need is coaches hearing/seeing that.

Agreed, your son's health is more important than a showcase. Rest and ask for a refund, but don't bring up the concussion, just say your son cannot attend. Hope he recovers well.

10000% - if he does not rush back from a concussion, the neurologist will tell you 100% is very likely... Conversely, the risk of a second impact to the head (during recovery), will far out weigh any potential gain from prospect day.

It is a good question because having my son been in that situation, acceptance is very difficult, but NOT an option

Health and healing should ALWAYS come first. Skip the showcase, there will be many more.

I have a 2017 who also has received a concussion from football in October. He is on the radar from very big schools. Please pull him out of all sports including school gym. Lacrosse is not the end of the world. Let him heal and come back like a powerhouse. No. 1 in the healing process is NO video games and texting. Good luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Novice question..Hab played in tourney recently and was happy to receive an email 'invite' to suny albany winter "Dane for a day". Is it sent to everyone?

Usually those prospect days are sent to kids that have shown an interest in the program or UAlbany gets a list from the club teams of player emails. Believe me if they are interested in your son, you will know it, they will usually contact his high school or club coach expressing interest.

great advice!
our neurologist urged NO physical activity (even stationary bike) until he goes a FULL 7 days straight without ANY symptoms (even the dullest headaches)...
if a concussion symptom occurs - the 7 day count must start all over.

had someone passed that on to us before, my son's premature return to sports costed him an additional, and much worst 7 weeks recovery

hope your son has a speedy recovery!

Have adrenaline black card invites gone out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a 2017 who also has received a concussion from football in October. He is on the radar from very big schools. Please pull him out of all sports including school gym. Lacrosse is not the end of the world. Let him heal and come back like a powerhouse. No. 1 in the healing process is NO video games and texting. Good luck!

Also, no watching tv, reading, etc. As limited amount of brain activity as possible will help him to heal faster. It sucks, but it's necessary. Good luck, hope he feels better soon!

My 2017 has suffered two concussions, about 2 years apart. When he suffered his first, he presented mild symptoms (slight headache). We took him to a specialist, went through a week of PT, a month or two of no activity, etc. He was cleared and had no issues.

His second was a less severe hit, however we took him to be checked out just to be sure. The specialist cleared him pending a successful PT evaluation just to be sure. Under the physical stress of the PT session he failed the the evaluation. He had to complete a full PT program as well as rest for two months.

Had we not taken him to be evaluated (because he really didn't show any symptoms) he could have suffered a much more serious injury under the stress of physical activity.

Please don't push the return.

Is there going to be a 3D lacrosse team in Long Island?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there going to be a 3D lacrosse team in Long Island?

No....

Then why is 3D listed on Long Island Clubs?

3d has a Tri State team, or at least I have seen that. It is also possible that 3d National would be entered in tournaments and that could be confused with an LI team if it had LI kids. 3d isn't really a club program as much as it is an all-comers juggernaut. Our son did some tournaments with them last summer and I cannot believe how many emails I get asking if my son wants to play for some 3d midwest, south, Canadian...you name it team that needs a few guys to fill out their home roster.

any 2017 lacrosse teams need an attackmen and middie. No combo 2016/2017 teams.

Call Channy, he only has 42,kids. He told me he wants a college roster so the kids get use to not playing. Has I was paying him, I told him you are a genius .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3d has a Tri State team, or at least I have seen that. It is also possible that 3d National would be entered in tournaments and that could be confused with an LI team if it had LI kids. 3d isn't really a club program as much as it is an all-comers juggernaut. Our son did some tournaments with them last summer and I cannot believe how many emails I get asking if my son wants to play for some 3d midwest, south, Canadian...you name it team that needs a few guys to fill out their home roster.

How was your experience with them?

3d is decent. I will state upfront I think their regional teams are very average compared with LI top clubs, but the instruction level is really good. My son is getting excellent position specific coaching, which is rare for most clubs at FOGO and goalie in particular. I was always amazed top clubs in Maryland would say go to a full in the blank positional clinic or camp and just roll a ball out for tournaments. There I think 3d does a better job.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 2017 has suffered two concussions, about 2 years apart. When he suffered his first, he presented mild symptoms (slight headache). We took him to a specialist, went through a week of PT, a month or two of no activity, etc. He was cleared and had no issues.

His second was a less severe hit, however we took him to be checked out just to be sure. The specialist cleared him pending a successful PT evaluation just to be sure. Under the physical stress of the PT session he failed the the evaluation. He had to complete a full PT program as well as rest for two months.

Had we not taken him to be evaluated (because he really didn't show any symptoms) he could have suffered a much more serious injury under the stress of physical activity.

Please don't push the return.

Excellent advice....Dont't assume because the kid didn't have memory loss or didn't vomit after the hit that it wasn't injurious to his brain. My son had a concussion two years ago. He had headache but nothing more severe. The next day as a precaution I had him checked and his performance on the neuro exam was equivalent to someone driving under the influence. You could have knocked me over with a feather. He then went to a top national specialist who told me he could write a book about what is not understood about the long-term effects of concussion in youth athletes. So better safe than sorry was his advice. These kids are all so busy and over-stimulated with practices, games, cell phones, clinics, video games, texting, etc. that it is hard to "unplug" and rest after an injury. It really is important and try, try, try to remember there are more weighty things than lacrosse.

That is great advice. Even if one person uses it it's worth it.

My son had a concussion in Sept. and has just now returned to sports and is still having cognitive issues and seeing a neurologist. It's no joke people, it's their life.

you are right. hope your son makes a full recovery

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son had a concussion in Sept. and has just now returned to sports and is still having cognitive issues and seeing a neurologist. It's no joke people, it's their life.

When our son had a concussion, the neurologist scared the heck out of us. I had no idea a concussion- just one and not even major- could have life long effects. My son also experienced "cognitive" issues- no other signs except a headache for two days. It is really important to have baseline data and any athlete should do so. Knowing what I know now, I would never have let my son go back out there to play- even though the coaches checked his eyes, speech etc. dr told us- one hit to the head- no question- no more play- it is going back out that does the bigger damage- not necessarily the first hit. I wish schools would hire these drs to give speeches to coaches and parents because too many aren't willing to sit the kid out if there are no physical signs with the eyes etc. we didn't catch my sons issues until 2 days later when he was doing school work- dr had rushed an MRI and that's when we learned all about concussions. I hope your son is okay and keep telling your story- it's an important one and will save someone from lasting effects. I wish I heard it before we lived it. We are thankful all turned out ok.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son had a concussion in Sept. and has just now returned to sports and is still having cognitive issues and seeing a neurologist. It's no joke people, it's their life.

When our son had a concussion, the neurologist scared the heck out of us. I had no idea a concussion- just one and not even major- could have life long effects. My son also experienced "cognitive" issues- no other signs except a headache for two days. It is really important to have baseline data and any athlete should do so. Knowing what I know now, I would never have let my son go back out there to play- even though the coaches checked his eyes, speech etc. dr told us- one hit to the head- no question- no more play- it is going back out that does the bigger damage- not necessarily the first hit. I wish schools would hire these drs to give speeches to coaches and parents because too many aren't willing to sit the kid out if there are no physical signs with the eyes etc. we didn't catch my sons issues until 2 days later when he was doing school work- dr had rushed an MRI and that's when we learned all about concussions. I hope your son is okay and keep telling your story- it's an important one and will save someone from lasting effects. I wish I heard it before we lived it. We are thankful all turned out ok.

I know I'm going [lacrosse] some people off here, but it's got to be said. STOP PLAYING FOOTBALL. It in no way makes you a better lax player, it makes you an ex-lax player... Please, look at the 2018 LI recruits, most did not play football this year. Sorry those are the facts...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son had a concussion in Sept. and has just now returned to sports and is still having cognitive issues and seeing a neurologist. It's no joke people, it's their life.

When our son had a concussion, the neurologist scared the heck out of us. I had no idea a concussion- just one and not even major- could have life long effects. My son also experienced "cognitive" issues- no other signs except a headache for two days. It is really important to have baseline data and any athlete should do so. Knowing what I know now, I would never have let my son go back out there to play- even though the coaches checked his eyes, speech etc. dr told us- one hit to the head- no question- no more play- it is going back out that does the bigger damage- not necessarily the first hit. I wish schools would hire these drs to give speeches to coaches and parents because too many aren't willing to sit the kid out if there are no physical signs with the eyes etc. we didn't catch my sons issues until 2 days later when he was doing school work- dr had rushed an MRI and that's when we learned all about concussions. I hope your son is okay and keep telling your story- it's an important one and will save someone from lasting effects. I wish I heard it before we lived it. We are thankful all turned out ok.

Our youth football program put on a "concussion symposium" for the parents. As presenters they had the head of neurology from Winthrop Hospital as well as a number of other concussion experts and athletic trainers. They worked very hard to put it together. It was one of the most informative presentations I have been to regarding youth sports. I would say about 20 people showed up. We must have 400 kids in the program. We have more people show up for a scrimmage game or a bake sale. This is such an important topic and most parents seem to blow it off. I hope your son has recovered well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son had a concussion in Sept. and has just now returned to sports and is still having cognitive issues and seeing a neurologist. It's no joke people, it's their life.

When our son had a concussion, the neurologist scared the heck out of us. I had no idea a concussion- just one and not even major- could have life long effects. My son also experienced "cognitive" issues- no other signs except a headache for two days. It is really important to have baseline data and any athlete should do so. Knowing what I know now, I would never have let my son go back out there to play- even though the coaches checked his eyes, speech etc. dr told us- one hit to the head- no question- no more play- it is going back out that does the bigger damage- not necessarily the first hit. I wish schools would hire these drs to give speeches to coaches and parents because too many aren't willing to sit the kid out if there are no physical signs with the eyes etc. we didn't catch my sons issues until 2 days later when he was doing school work- dr had rushed an MRI and that's when we learned all about concussions. I hope your son is okay and keep telling your story- it's an important one and will save someone from lasting effects. I wish I heard it before we lived it. We are thankful all turned out ok.

I know I'm going [lacrosse] some people off here, but it's got to be said. STOP PLAYING FOOTBALL. It in no way makes you a better lax player, it makes you an ex-lax player... Please, look at the 2018 LI recruits, most did not play football this year. Sorry those are the facts...

The Canadians don't play football either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son had a concussion in Sept. and has just now returned to sports and is still having cognitive issues and seeing a neurologist. It's no joke people, it's their life.

When our son had a concussion, the neurologist scared the heck out of us. I had no idea a concussion- just one and not even major- could have life long effects. My son also experienced "cognitive" issues- no other signs except a headache for two days. It is really important to have baseline data and any athlete should do so. Knowing what I know now, I would never have let my son go back out there to play- even though the coaches checked his eyes, speech etc. dr told us- one hit to the head- no question- no more play- it is going back out that does the bigger damage- not necessarily the first hit. I wish schools would hire these drs to give speeches to coaches and parents because too many aren't willing to sit the kid out if there are no physical signs with the eyes etc. we didn't catch my sons issues until 2 days later when he was doing school work- dr had rushed an MRI and that's when we learned all about concussions. I hope your son is okay and keep telling your story- it's an important one and will save someone from lasting effects. I wish I heard it before we lived it. We are thankful all turned out ok.

I know I'm going [lacrosse] some people off here, but it's got to be said. STOP PLAYING FOOTBALL. It in no way makes you a better lax player, it makes you an ex-lax player... Please, look at the 2018 LI recruits, most did not play football this year. Sorry those are the facts...

The Canadians don't play football either.

Did you ever think that some boys just love playing football...not everyone's entire life revolves around lax alone. Most college coaches like muli-sport athletes. And I'll beat you to the punch...my son has a verbal commitment already.

Agreed. I might be exaggerating just alittle , but there is more helmet to helmet contact in HS then the NFL. Varsity football games get very violent and most hits are not called penalties when in fact they call them in the pros. If you want to improve your sons footwork and endurance for lacrosse then switch to soccer. I know I am.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son had a concussion in Sept. and has just now returned to sports and is still having cognitive issues and seeing a neurologist. It's no joke people, it's their life.

When our son had a concussion, the neurologist scared the heck out of us. I had no idea a concussion- just one and not even major- could have life long effects. My son also experienced "cognitive" issues- no other signs except a headache for two days. It is really important to have baseline data and any athlete should do so. Knowing what I know now, I would never have let my son go back out there to play- even though the coaches checked his eyes, speech etc. dr told us- one hit to the head- no question- no more play- it is going back out that does the bigger damage- not necessarily the first hit. I wish schools would hire these drs to give speeches to coaches and parents because too many aren't willing to sit the kid out if there are no physical signs with the eyes etc. we didn't catch my sons issues until 2 days later when he was doing school work- dr had rushed an MRI and that's when we learned all about concussions. I hope your son is okay and keep telling your story- it's an important one and will save someone from lasting effects. I wish I heard it before we lived it. We are thankful all turned out ok.

I know I'm going [lacrosse] some people off here, but it's got to be said. STOP PLAYING FOOTBALL. It in no way makes you a better lax player, it makes you an ex-lax player... Please, look at the 2018 LI recruits, most did not play football this year. Sorry those are the facts...

The Canadians don't play football either.

Did you ever think that some boys just love playing football...not everyone's entire life revolves around lax alone. Most college coaches like muli-sport athletes. And I'll beat you to the punch...my son has a verbal commitment already.

Wow, your son has a verbal and he plays football. Then have him go play football at Alabama.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son had a concussion in Sept. and has just now returned to sports and is still having cognitive issues and seeing a neurologist. It's no joke people, it's their life.

When our son had a concussion, the neurologist scared the heck out of us. I had no idea a concussion- just one and not even major- could have life long effects. My son also experienced "cognitive" issues- no other signs except a headache for two days. It is really important to have baseline data and any athlete should do so. Knowing what I know now, I would never have let my son go back out there to play- even though the coaches checked his eyes, speech etc. dr told us- one hit to the head- no question- no more play- it is going back out that does the bigger damage- not necessarily the first hit. I wish schools would hire these drs to give speeches to coaches and parents because too many aren't willing to sit the kid out if there are no physical signs with the eyes etc. we didn't catch my sons issues until 2 days later when he was doing school work- dr had rushed an MRI and that's when we learned all about concussions. I hope your son is okay and keep telling your story- it's an important one and will save someone from lasting effects. I wish I heard it before we lived it. We are thankful all turned out ok.

I know I'm going [lacrosse] some people off here, but it's got to be said. STOP PLAYING FOOTBALL. It in no way makes you a better lax player, it makes you an ex-lax player... Please, look at the 2018 LI recruits, most did not play football this year. Sorry those are the facts...

The Canadians don't play football either.

Did you ever think that some boys just love playing football...not everyone's entire life revolves around lax alone. Most college coaches like muli-sport athletes. And I'll beat you to the punch...my son has a verbal commitment already.

Would it be ok if he told you he loved MMA or drugs? Sometimes you have to be the parent and protect the kid! I played football in HS and College (never big time) and never had a concussion (what did I know). Now I have headaches, twisted fingers, a bad neck, hip and knee issues and a big toe that always feels like it has need stomped on when it is damp out.

I loved it too! And sometimes I just want to play one more game and get one more big hit in even though I am over the hill. Protect your son, steer him to something else, you'll be happy you did

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son had a concussion in Sept. and has just now returned to sports and is still having cognitive issues and seeing a neurologist. It's no joke people, it's their life.

When our son had a concussion, the neurologist scared the heck out of us. I had no idea a concussion- just one and not even major- could have life long effects. My son also experienced "cognitive" issues- no other signs except a headache for two days. It is really important to have baseline data and any athlete should do so. Knowing what I know now, I would never have let my son go back out there to play- even though the coaches checked his eyes, speech etc. dr told us- one hit to the head- no question- no more play- it is going back out that does the bigger damage- not necessarily the first hit. I wish schools would hire these drs to give speeches to coaches and parents because too many aren't willing to sit the kid out if there are no physical signs with the eyes etc. we didn't catch my sons issues until 2 days later when he was doing school work- dr had rushed an MRI and that's when we learned all about concussions. I hope your son is okay and keep telling your story- it's an important one and will save someone from lasting effects. I wish I heard it before we lived it. We are thankful all turned out ok.

I know I'm going [lacrosse] some people off here, but it's got to be said. STOP PLAYING FOOTBALL. It in no way makes you a better lax player, it makes you an ex-lax player... Please, look at the 2018 LI recruits, most did not play football this year. Sorry those are the facts...

The Canadians don't play football either.

Did you ever think that some boys just love playing football...not everyone's entire life revolves around lax alone. Most college coaches like muli-sport athletes. And I'll beat you to the punch...my son has a verbal commitment already.

There are other sports other than football. Most college coaches could give a rats [lacrosse] if you're multi-sport or not. yeah yeah I've heard Danowski's rant. Doesn't matter. Great lax player, your committed in 9th grade. As far as a love for Football, wake up! My son is a Freshman in College, teammate just got his 3rd and last concussion. No longer allowed to play lax. Poor kid is done before his first game freshman year. He had two other concussions in HS Football. As I said before, Football never made anyone better at Lax, it makes you a former lax player, just like my son's teammate! Hey I don't care, keep sending your kid out there. "Put your head in there son"... Moron.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son had a concussion in Sept. and has just now returned to sports and is still having cognitive issues and seeing a neurologist. It's no joke people, it's their life.

When our son had a concussion, the neurologist scared the heck out of us. I had no idea a concussion- just one and not even major- could have life long effects. My son also experienced "cognitive" issues- no other signs except a headache for two days. It is really important to have baseline data and any athlete should do so. Knowing what I know now, I would never have let my son go back out there to play- even though the coaches checked his eyes, speech etc. dr told us- one hit to the head- no question- no more play- it is going back out that does the bigger damage- not necessarily the first hit. I wish schools would hire these drs to give speeches to coaches and parents because too many aren't willing to sit the kid out if there are no physical signs with the eyes etc. we didn't catch my sons issues until 2 days later when he was doing school work- dr had rushed an MRI and that's when we learned all about concussions. I hope your son is okay and keep telling your story- it's an important one and will save someone from lasting effects. I wish I heard it before we lived it. We are thankful all turned out ok.

I know I'm going [lacrosse] some people off here, but it's got to be said. STOP PLAYING FOOTBALL. It in no way makes you a better lax player, it makes you an ex-lax player... Please, look at the 2018 LI recruits, most did not play football this year. Sorry those are the facts...

The Canadians don't play football either.

Did you ever think that some boys just love playing football...not everyone's entire life revolves around lax alone. Most college coaches like muli-sport athletes. And I'll beat you to the punch...my son has a verbal commitment already.

Would it be ok if he told you he loved MMA or drugs? Sometimes you have to be the parent and protect the kid! I played football in HS and College (never big time) and never had a concussion (what did I know). Now I have headaches, twisted fingers, a bad neck, hip and knee issues and a big toe that always feels like it has need stomped on when it is damp out.

I loved it too! And sometimes I just want to play one more game and get one more big hit in even though I am over the hill. Protect your son, steer him to something else, you'll be happy you did

Ohhhhh the canadians dont play football.......ok....Im going to follow the ideas of the canadians. Really...are you kidding me. Play hockey until I'm 23 then try and play lacrosse and go to college.Graduate when I am 26 or so. Brilliant!

That was the dumbest comment I've heard on a should be mature age thread. Wake up tough guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son had a concussion in Sept. and has just now returned to sports and is still having cognitive issues and seeing a neurologist. It's no joke people, it's their life.

When our son had a concussion, the neurologist scared the heck out of us. I had no idea a concussion- just one and not even major- could have life long effects. My son also experienced "cognitive" issues- no other signs except a headache for two days. It is really important to have baseline data and any athlete should do so. Knowing what I know now, I would never have let my son go back out there to play- even though the coaches checked his eyes, speech etc. dr told us- one hit to the head- no question- no more play- it is going back out that does the bigger damage- not necessarily the first hit. I wish schools would hire these drs to give speeches to coaches and parents because too many aren't willing to sit the kid out if there are no physical signs with the eyes etc. we didn't catch my sons issues until 2 days later when he was doing school work- dr had rushed an MRI and that's when we learned all about concussions. I hope your son is okay and keep telling your story- it's an important one and will save someone from lasting effects. I wish I heard it before we lived it. We are thankful all turned out ok.

I know I'm going [lacrosse] some people off here, but it's got to be said. STOP PLAYING FOOTBALL. It in no way makes you a better lax player, it makes you an ex-lax player... Please, look at the 2018 LI recruits, most did not play football this year. Sorry those are the facts...

The Canadians don't play football either.

Did you ever think that some boys just love playing football...not everyone's entire life revolves around lax alone. Most college coaches like muli-sport athletes. And I'll beat you to the punch...my son has a verbal commitment already.

There are other sports other than football. Most college coaches could give a rats [lacrosse] if you're multi-sport or not. yeah yeah I've heard Danowski's rant. Doesn't matter. Great lax player, your committed in 9th grade. As far as a love for Football, wake up! My son is a Freshman in College, teammate just got his 3rd and last concussion. No longer allowed to play lax. Poor kid is done before his first game freshman year. He had two other concussions in HS Football. As I said before, Football never made anyone better at Lax, it makes you a former lax player, just like my son's teammate! Hey I don't care, keep sending your kid out there. "Put your head in there son"... Moron.

Moron? Why so angry? Apparently you do care. Relax, every story is different. You can get a concussion playing lacrosse, wrestling, soccer, I've heard it all. To say "football makes you a former lax player" is ridiculous. In your sons friends situation, that may be true but, there are many other scenarios where football (or any other sport) made them a better athlete, leader, teammate, etc. to each his own

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son had a concussion in Sept. and has just now returned to sports and is still having cognitive issues and seeing a neurologist. It's no joke people, it's their life.

When our son had a concussion, the neurologist scared the heck out of us. I had no idea a concussion- just one and not even major- could have life long effects. My son also experienced "cognitive" issues- no other signs except a headache for two days. It is really important to have baseline data and any athlete should do so. Knowing what I know now, I would never have let my son go back out there to play- even though the coaches checked his eyes, speech etc. dr told us- one hit to the head- no question- no more play- it is going back out that does the bigger damage- not necessarily the first hit. I wish schools would hire these drs to give speeches to coaches and parents because too many aren't willing to sit the kid out if there are no physical signs with the eyes etc. we didn't catch my sons issues until 2 days later when he was doing school work- dr had rushed an MRI and that's when we learned all about concussions. I hope your son is okay and keep telling your story- it's an important one and will save someone from lasting effects. I wish I heard it before we lived it. We are thankful all turned out ok.

I know I'm going [lacrosse] some people off here, but it's got to be said. STOP PLAYING FOOTBALL. It in no way makes you a better lax player, it makes you an ex-lax player... Please, look at the 2018 LI recruits, most did not play football this year. Sorry those are the facts...

The Canadians don't play football either.

Did you ever think that some boys just love playing football...not everyone's entire life revolves around lax alone. Most college coaches like muli-sport athletes. And I'll beat you to the punch...my son has a verbal commitment already.

Wow, your son has a verbal and he plays football. Then have him go play football at Alabama.

He didn't get offered a scholarship to Alabama to play football.

Interesting...Bleacher Report article on a payer that had his offer pulled by college coach

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Beware committing too early without giving other schools a good consideration.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting...Bleacher Report article on a payer that had his offer pulled by college coach

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Beware committing too early without giving other schools a good consideration.

There is a thing called a "gray shirt" and it's VERY common in big time college football. Basically it's when the school pulls your scholarship offer and asks you to either play as a walk on this year or enroll in the school next year instead of this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting...Bleacher Report article on a payer that had his offer pulled by college coach

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Beware committing too early without giving other schools a good consideration.

There is a thing called a "gray shirt" and it's VERY common in big time college football. Basically it's when the school pulls your scholarship offer and asks you to either play as a walk on this year or enroll in the school next year instead of this year.

Pretty classy telling him two days before signing. I think if a coach second guesses an early commit, so be it, better to let him loose than to drop him from the team once he is in the school, however, this coach should have given the kid some time. Like Trevor Tierney's article on early recruiting says at the end of the day a verbal doesn't mean S--T! That goes for coach and player. Keep studying hard and playing hard and be polite to anyone who makes other overtures.

Good read....
http://www.uslacrosse.org/multimedia-center/blog/postid/864/dealing-with-recruiting-realities.aspx

Has any one heard of Project 9 with Rabil. Is it a good thing to do?

heard some good training. $1300 bucks for weekend though....no coaches recruiting at it. More for committed kids to continue to work on stuff and parents who have money to burn. I spoke to one dad whose son did it and said it was pretty good. Wouldn't do twice but kid had good experience.

My son was being look at very heavily by UPenn and then received a concussion in football. No more UPenn in his future. They have moved on. No more football in my sons future either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

heard some good training. $1300 bucks for weekend though....no coaches recruiting at it. More for committed kids to continue to work on stuff and parents who have money to burn. I spoke to one dad whose son did it and said it was pretty good. Wouldn't do twice but kid had good experience.

I looked at the roster of previous players who attended and they seemed to be talented.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

heard some good training. $1300 bucks for weekend though....no coaches recruiting at it. More for committed kids to continue to work on stuff and parents who have money to burn. I spoke to one dad whose son did it and said it was pretty good. Wouldn't do twice but kid had good experience.

I looked at the roster of previous players who attended and they seemed to be talented.

For $1,300 over a weekend Bobby Flay should be cooking the meals and Paul Rabil should be waiting the tables. I get it that lacrosse has a business aspect, but aside from the Adrenaline Black Card I have not seen one where you could possibly say it was a good lacrosse experience first and then a good price second. If prospect days are running hot at $150-$250 a day, other events are running hot at $300-400 a day and now this one at $700 a day, what is next? Vacation cruises with the Powells with wall ball on the Ledo deck with Captain Stubing? This sport needs a reality check. Middle class parents like me are reading these things thinking there isn't a way anymore to get our kids out there to compete if we can't puke thousands of dollars in every random direction. $1300 is about what I will pay for a summer of lacrosse with our club, and I'd hope for our kids that would be sufficient if they have college ambitions.

Kids who went last year said it was too long, no breaks and no fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has any one heard of Project 9 with Rabil. Is it a good thing to do?

Was invited but didn't attend. Lots of elite kids their though. We didn't realize it was that selective and through out the invite. Then I saw it covered by inside lacrosse and it looked cool. If you are looking into it try getting into Nike Ride. Same idea but free and even more presigious.

Nike Ride better quality and more enjoyable for the players.

Ty Xanders has NO "funding sources", despite what you geniuses may think. He gets paid $100-$200 per day to cover certain tournaments or events. He sees absolutely ZERO profit from any of the kids or programs that he ranks. All of his information is completely unbiased. In fact, he's practically broke. If he was smart, maybe he would do what you all already assume he does and try and set up deals to make himself some money. But, I can tell you with 150% certainty that there are NO financial ties to what he does currently.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders has NO "funding sources", despite what you geniuses may think. He gets paid $100-$200 per day to cover certain tournaments or events. He sees absolutely ZERO profit from any of the kids or programs that he ranks. All of his information is completely unbiased. In fact, he's practically broke. If he was smart, maybe he would do what you all already assume he does and try and set up deals to make himself some money. But, I can tell you with 150% certainty that there are NO financial ties to what he does currently.

That's not true, I know one of the people that fund his web site. It's funded by a few people who benefit from the relationship.

I know at least one

That's a serious accusation. You saying maybe for a nice donation
He touts a plaster? Kind of a reach .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders has NO "funding sources", despite what you geniuses may think. He gets paid $100-$200 per day to cover certain tournaments or events. He sees absolutely ZERO profit from any of the kids or programs that he ranks. All of his information is completely unbiased. In fact, he's practically broke. If he was smart, maybe he would do what you all already assume he does and try and set up deals to make himself some money. But, I can tell you with 150% certainty that there are NO financial ties to what he does currently.

You are either delusional or extremely naive.

That's not true, I know one of the people that fund his web site. It's funded by a few people who benefit from the relationship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders has NO "funding sources", despite what you geniuses may think. He gets paid $100-$200 per day to cover certain tournaments or events. He sees absolutely ZERO profit from any of the kids or programs that he ranks. All of his information is completely unbiased. In fact, he's practically broke. If he was smart, maybe he would do what you all already assume he does and try and set up deals to make himself some money. But, I can tell you with 150% certainty that there are NO financial ties to what he does currently.

You are either delusional or extremely naive.

That's not true, I know one of the people that fund his web site. It's funded by a few people who benefit from the relationship.

Most of the kids Ty has reviewed over the past several years have gone on to great things. He has a good eye. Stop hating cause your kid is not a stand out!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders has NO "funding sources", despite what you geniuses may think. He gets paid $100-$200 per day to cover certain tournaments or events. He sees absolutely ZERO profit from any of the kids or programs that he ranks. All of his information is completely unbiased. In fact, he's practically broke. If he was smart, maybe he would do what you all already assume he does and try and set up deals to make himself some money. But, I can tell you with 150% certainty that there are NO financial ties to what he does currently.

You are either delusional or extremely naive.

That's not true, I know one of the people that fund his web site. It's funded by a few people who benefit from the relationship.

Most of the kids Ty has reviewed over the past several years have gone on to great things. He has a good eye. Stop hating cause your kid is not a stand out!

Stop believing that Ty has a good eye and that he is making his own impressions and reports. I personally had to sit and listen to him regale the man behind me of his personal lax playing history at last summer's Maverick showcase...blabbed on an on about himself to a man I don't know (with his back to the game behind the small bleachers) and in the last 3 mins of the game
Pranced quickly to his camp chair on the sideline and somehow came up with an amazing report of the entire game with details on the "star" players.....please....enough already on his legit status. He reports what he's told. Period. If he's not making money doing it; then he's an even bigger idiot than one would suspect.

If by "funding sources", you are referring to non-monetary relationships, then you are correct. It doesn't take any money to start a website like RR - and Ty writes all of the content on his own. It actually sickens me how much you people LOVE to make stuff up about him. Why don't you stay off the anonymous blogs at your day job for awhile.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders has NO "funding sources", despite what you geniuses may think. He gets paid $100-$200 per day to cover certain tournaments or events. He sees absolutely ZERO profit from any of the kids or programs that he ranks. All of his information is completely unbiased. In fact, he's practically broke. If he was smart, maybe he would do what you all already assume he does and try and set up deals to make himself some money. But, I can tell you with 150% certainty that there are NO financial ties to what he does currently.

You are either delusional or extremely naive.

That's not true, I know one of the people that fund his web site. It's funded by a few people who benefit from the relationship.

Most of the kids Ty has reviewed over the past several years have gone on to great things. He has a good eye. Stop hating cause your kid is not a stand out!

He has missed a ton of kids - many of today's college statistical leaders at both D1 and D3 were not recognized by him. He's also missed a ton of current high school standouts. Look at the point leaders this year on Newsday and very few of those kids are "ranked" by Ty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders has NO "funding sources", despite what you geniuses may think. He gets paid $100-$200 per day to cover certain tournaments or events. He sees absolutely ZERO profit from any of the kids or programs that he ranks. All of his information is completely unbiased. In fact, he's practically broke. If he was smart, maybe he would do what you all already assume he does and try and set up deals to make himself some money. But, I can tell you with 150% certainty that there are NO financial ties to what he does currently.

Practically broke? Check his twitter account - seems to have had a very nice tropical vacation out of the country recently. That's hardly broke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders has NO "funding sources", despite what you geniuses may think. He gets paid $100-$200 per day to cover certain tournaments or events. He sees absolutely ZERO profit from any of the kids or programs that he ranks. All of his information is completely unbiased. In fact, he's practically broke. If he was smart, maybe he would do what you all already assume he does and try and set up deals to make himself some money. But, I can tell you with 150% certainty that there are NO financial ties to what he does currently.

You are either delusional or extremely naive.

That's not true, I know one of the people that fund his web site. It's funded by a few people who benefit from the relationship.

Most of the kids Ty has reviewed over the past several years have gone on to great things. He has a good eye. Stop hating cause your kid is not a stand out!

Stop believing that Ty has a good eye and that he is making his own impressions and reports. I personally had to sit and listen to him regale the man behind me of his personal lax playing history at last summer's Maverick showcase...blabbed on an on about himself to a man I don't know (with his back to the game behind the small bleachers) and in the last 3 mins of the game
Pranced quickly to his camp chair on the sideline and somehow came up with an amazing report of the entire game with details on the "star" players.....please....enough already on his legit status. He reports what he's told. Period. If he's not making money doing it; then he's an even bigger idiot than one would suspect.

Oh so the kids he writes up don't really score all those goals or win all those faceoffs or make the incredible saves. He must just be immanging it all. Ha

Never thought I'd be defending TX, but I remember seeing in his article before he stepped away from work for a week that it was a family cruise. Doubt he paid for that.

And missing players is part of the job no matter what sport and how many resources and staffers. Considering the season in NY is hardly two weeks in and you're referring to stats (some against [lacrosse] poor teams), that seems bold to look in that direction and talk about "missing" players.

Not trying to be snarky, but wouldn't Ty need to charge to cover some event or HS game? Otherwise no business model whatsoever. Doesn't really impact the point if he has backers or not. He'd need revenue from either advertisers, and there are none for a blog on WordPress with few exceptions. Or he'd need to say if you want me to cover your prep school game or club game, it costs this rate. $100 or $200 a pop sounds pretty low, but maybe that is what it is. Plenty of lacrosse parents would pull out a $20 bill for a hat collection to get him to show up and pump the tires for their son's school or club team. Makes sense they would.

Not so sure this is snarky as it is cruel to make the assumption that he (or anybody for that matter) would collect cash to cover a high school game. Club tournament is different.... can see that he'd take money from a tourney or showcase.

Just curious what people think. What is a better experience in terms of building skills, starting on varsity for four years at a good public high school or going the freshman team, JV route for two years at a Catholic school then two years varsity. Personally I can make a case for each but just wanted to hear what others thought.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious what people think. What is a better experience in terms of building skills, starting on varsity for four years at a good public high school or going the freshman team, JV route for two years at a Catholic school then two years varsity. Personally I can make a case for each but just wanted to hear what others thought.

In my opinion it is beneficial for underclassman to play on Varsity IF they are good enough to start. Way to many schools move 9th and 10th graders to Varsity and they rarely if ever see the field. Practicing against the second and third varsity lines isn't as valuable in most programs as playing high school JV games and contributing to a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious what people think. What is a better experience in terms of building skills, starting on varsity for four years at a good public high school or going the freshman team, JV route for two years at a Catholic school then two years varsity. Personally I can make a case for each but just wanted to hear what others thought.

In my opinion it is beneficial for underclassman to play on Varsity IF they are good enough to start. Way to many schools move 9th and 10th graders to Varsity and they rarely if ever see the field. Practicing against the second and third varsity lines isn't as valuable in most programs as playing high school JV games and contributing to a team.

How do you handle this issue with a coach that wants your son on Varsity as a 9th grader and doesn't play him all that much? I would rather him be killing it on JV. He would most certainly be starting every game. I feel like him being on Varsity is a waste of time. However, I don't want to tick off the coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious what people think. What is a better experience in terms of building skills, starting on varsity for four years at a good public high school or going the freshman team, JV route for two years at a Catholic school then two years varsity. Personally I can make a case for each but just wanted to hear what others thought.

In my opinion it is beneficial for underclassman to play on Varsity IF they are good enough to start. Way to many schools move 9th and 10th graders to Varsity and they rarely if ever see the field. Practicing against the second and third varsity lines isn't as valuable in most programs as playing high school JV games and contributing to a team.

How do you handle this issue with a coach that wants your son on Varsity as a 9th grader and doesn't play him all that much? I would rather him be killing it on JV. He would most certainly be starting every game. I feel like him being on Varsity is a waste of time. However, I don't want to tick off the coach.

No way to handle it. If the Varsity coach wants your son on Varsity to ride the bench and get minimal reps during practice that is what your son will have to do. If a 9th grader is on Varsity than they should be STARTING otherwise they should be on JV.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious what people think. What is a better experience in terms of building skills, starting on varsity for four years at a good public high school or going the freshman team, JV route for two years at a Catholic school then two years varsity. Personally I can make a case for each but just wanted to hear what others thought.

In my opinion it is beneficial for underclassman to play on Varsity IF they are good enough to start. Way to many schools move 9th and 10th graders to Varsity and they rarely if ever see the field. Practicing against the second and third varsity lines isn't as valuable in most programs as playing high school JV games and contributing to a team.

How do you handle this issue with a coach that wants your son on Varsity as a 9th grader and doesn't play him all that much? I would rather him be killing it on JV. He would most certainly be starting every game. I feel like him being on Varsity is a waste of time. However, I don't want to tick off the coach.

I know some of the private schools in CT will have the boys practice with varsity, suit up and not play the varsity game, but then have them play the JV game. I like this approach. My sense is the benefits of starting and playing on JV are valuable. Chaminade and St. Anthony are consistently strong and have deep rosters because of this system.

if 9th grader was promised that he would be on varsity freshman year instead of catholic rival. he will probably get playing time at least at beginning. If he's not up to the skill, they can spend rest of season on JV. saw this last year when 9th grader was way over his head. played rest of season on JV. he was fine.

you mean instead of going to the catholic/private school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious what people think. What is a better experience in terms of building skills, starting on varsity for four years at a good public high school or going the freshman team, JV route for two years at a Catholic school then two years varsity. Personally I can make a case for each but just wanted to hear what others thought.

In my opinion it is beneficial for underclassman to play on Varsity IF they are good enough to start. Way to many schools move 9th and 10th graders to Varsity and they rarely if ever see the field. Practicing against the second and third varsity lines isn't as valuable in most programs as playing high school JV games and contributing to a team.

How do you handle this issue with a coach that wants your son on Varsity as a 9th grader and doesn't play him all that much? I would rather him be killing it on JV. He would most certainly be starting every game. I feel like him being on Varsity is a waste of time. However, I don't want to tick off the coach.

I know some of the private schools in CT will have the boys practice with varsity, suit up and not play the varsity game, but then have them play the JV game. I like this approach. My sense is the benefits of starting and playing on JV are valuable. Chaminade and St. Anthony are consistently strong and have deep rosters because of this system.

Don't believe NYS Sections will let you do that. CHSAA maybe, I don't know.

PLAYING four years on varsity at a public school is more valuable than playing two years on freshman and JV teams. The key word is "playing" If your holding your stick on the sideline you're better off playing on the JV and freshman teams. Never understood calling a player up to watch the game from the sideline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PLAYING four years on varsity at a public school is more valuable than playing two years on freshman and JV teams. The key word is "playing" If your holding your stick on the sideline you're better off playing on the JV and freshman teams. Never understood calling a player up to watch the game from the sideline.

I would agree with this. Also I would add it depends on the public school your at. If your at Garden City and actually playing it is a great thing, If your at a weaker school playing weaker teams, I think you may be better off going the Catholic route.

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Don't believe NYS Sections will let you do that. CHSAA maybe, I don't know. [/quote]

Our town has players practice on Varsity but play the JV games. This is in Nassau. Still doesn't make sense because they get minimal reps in practice and none against the starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Don't believe NYS Sections will let you do that. CHSAA maybe, I don't know.

Our town has players practice on Varsity but play the JV games. This is in Nassau. Still doesn't make sense because they get minimal reps in practice and none against the starters. [/quote]

I agree, but as stated above, your son has to do what the coach tells him to do. I would prefer my son starts on JV as opposed to playing minimally on Varsity. "hey coach take my freshman off varsity" I don't think that would be well received.

"hey coach put my son on varsity or he's going to Chaminade"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't believe NYS Sections will let you do that. CHSAA maybe, I don't know.

Our town has players practice on Varsity but play the JV games. This is in Nassau. Still doesn't make sense because they get minimal reps in practice and none against the starters. [/quote]

I agree, but as stated above, your son has to do what the coach tells him to do. I would prefer my son starts on JV as opposed to playing minimally on Varsity. "hey coach take my freshman off varsity" I don't think that would be well received. [/quote]

Been through this. My son was miserable on varsity as a 9th grader. Froze his [lacrosse] off on the sidelines watching everyone else play while his friends were all having a great time on jv. Come sophomore year he started, I think the experience was humbling and made him a better player now. He really had to work hard to earn his spot. Stick it out. Good luck to all the boys!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't believe NYS Sections will let you do that. CHSAA maybe, I don't know.

Our town has players practice on Varsity but play the JV games. This is in Nassau. Still doesn't make sense because they get minimal reps in practice and none against the starters. [/quote]

I agree, but as stated above, your son has to do what the coach tells him to do. I would prefer my son starts on JV as opposed to playing minimally on Varsity. "hey coach take my freshman off varsity" I don't think that would be well received. [/quote]

My freshman (2018) is on JV (not our choice). Mine is a very good player already verbally committed and will be at Maverick and Jake reed...yes he got athletic money and no it wasn't a full ride.

While I think he was a little upset that he didn't get the varsity nod, his position on the team is stacked with a lot really good players on a very strong team, and most of them never see the field. After three weeks of JV, I can tell you he is having a great time playing with his classmates. So while I don't get to brag about my freshman on the Varsity, I can see that him having as much fun as he is on JV, is better than riding the bench on the big boy club.

Again, not our choice, nor did we call or complain. We made the decision along time ago that we would back our kid but not call a coach every time something doesn't go my kid's way.

I tend to agree with our coaches choice (after the fact). Why shouldn't those juniors and seniors get their time to play? Mine is a really strong player, but mine is 15 and shouldn't those boys that have been fighting for that spot and paying their dues be the first pick?

For us, the coaches decision makes perfect sense...

Programs that need to pull up a 9th grader to varsity might not have the depth for a reason. What is that saying to soph jun and seniors? No point in playing up and then not getting play time. And if you do get pulled up to start is that even a good program? Between the 3 grades you can't field a team. I'm not saying in the rare exception of a outstanding player, just when schools start making a habit of bringing up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't believe NYS Sections will let you do that. CHSAA maybe, I don't know.

Our town has players practice on Varsity but play the JV games. This is in Nassau. Still doesn't make sense because they get minimal reps in practice and none against the starters.

I agree, but as stated above, your son has to do what the coach tells him to do. I would prefer my son starts on JV as opposed to playing minimally on Varsity. "hey coach take my freshman off varsity" I don't think that would be well received. [/quote]

Been through this. My son was miserable on varsity as a 9th grader. Froze his [lacrosse] off on the sidelines watching everyone else play while his friends were all having a great time on jv. Come sophomore year he started, I think the experience was humbling and made him a better player now. He really had to work hard to earn his spot. Stick it out. Good luck to all the boys! [/quote]

Thanks for the advice.

Had a great time tonight at the Bronxville Garden City game there were a handful of strong 2017's that played significant minutes and key roles for both teams. I think they were able to step up in part because they had some excellent experience as freshman last year on varsity.

Who won?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won?

Bronxville 6-3, both teams looked good though. Was a playoff type game.

Saint Anthony's JV 11-6 over Haverford.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Programs that need to pull up a 9th grader to varsity might not have the depth for a reason. What is that saying to soph jun and seniors? No point in playing up and then not getting play time. And if you do get pulled up to start is that even a good program? Between the 3 grades you can't field a team. I'm not saying in the rare exception of a outstanding player, just when schools start making a habit of bringing up.

regardless if the team is good or not, if you get called up and you play competitive travel you play up. If you think some of these HS scores are out of whack look at the JV scores. If you get to be productive on varsity if even against the weaker teams good on you or your son. If you get time against the best even better.

Does news day ever post the grades so you can see the grades of the points leaders. Some of those freshman varsity players last year are super sophs. So why can't this years crop do the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saint Anthony's JV 11-6 over Haverford.

St Anthony's from North Carolina you mean?

anyone care about this guys kids JV scores?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone care about this guys kids JV scores?

I do.

I would be frustrated if my Son was playing JV St.A or Chaminade as a 10th Grader. I see so many Sophmores having great seasons in Newsday. The landscape has changed with all these camps and prospect camps any public school kid has a great shot at College. If you attend these Schools for the education that's great, but if you think by going to the private schools for College Lacrosse , that's done. Syosset,Massapequa, Manh, GC, Ward Melville and Sachem carry just as much weight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would be frustrated if my Son was playing JV St.A or Chaminade as a 10th Grader. I see so many Sophmores having great seasons in Newsday. The landscape has changed with all these camps and prospect camps any public school kid has a great shot at College. If you attend these Schools for the education that's great, but if you think by going to the private schools for College Lacrosse , that's done. Syosset,Massapequa, Manh, GC, Ward Melville and Sachem carry just as much weight.

That's great if you live there but there are many kids that don't and others that do live in those towns but Want the education and alumni networking after graduation. One should never base a decision on lacrosse. I don't think any of the 10th graders that are committed at Cham and St As care one bit that they play JV.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would be frustrated if my Son was playing JV St.A or Chaminade as a 10th Grader. I see so many Sophmores having great seasons in Newsday. The landscape has changed with all these camps and prospect camps any public school kid has a great shot at College. If you attend these Schools for the education that's great, but if you think by going to the private schools for College Lacrosse , that's done. Syosset,Massapequa, Manh, GC, Ward Melville and Sachem carry just as much weight.

Good for you. My kid is on JV and is committed and is on a team that will smoke your Varsity team. Best of all he is playing first line with his friends and understands the process of the schools you mentioned. Enjoy your landscaper and make sure he is documented. Best of luck to you...Good Day!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would be frustrated if my Son was playing JV St.A or Chaminade as a 10th Grader. I see so many Sophmores having great seasons in Newsday. The landscape has changed with all these camps and prospect camps any public school kid has a great shot at College. If you attend these Schools for the education that's great, but if you think by going to the private schools for College Lacrosse , that's done. Syosset,Massapequa, Manh, GC, Ward Melville and Sachem carry just as much weight.

You might have a point if not getting called up to varsity was having a negative impact on getting recruited but it is clearly not having any adverse impact on Chaminade 10th graders getting committed to play at some great schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would be frustrated if my Son was playing JV St.A or Chaminade as a 10th Grader. I see so many Sophmores having great seasons in Newsday. The landscape has changed with all these camps and prospect camps any public school kid has a great shot at College. If you attend these Schools for the education that's great, but if you think by going to the private schools for College Lacrosse , that's done. Syosset,Massapequa, Manh, GC, Ward Melville and Sachem carry just as much weight.

Good for you. My kid is on JV and is committed and is on a team that will smoke your Varsity team. Best of all he is playing first line with his friends and understands the process of the schools you mentioned. Enjoy your landscaper and make sure he is documented. Best of luck to you...Good Day!

Keep telling yourself that, it's clear there is some jealousy when you make rediculous statements about a jv team beating varsity. Ha! Keep waiting patiently, hopefully next year your son will get a chance to play with the big boys!

St A's and Chammy JV's would beat many (70%) of the suffolk and nassau Varsity teams. They travel to Don Bosco, Delbarton, Wilton, Darian, new Canen to name a few. Your school and soph son can continue to beat up copiage, kings park et al and tell anyone who cares that he plays varsity. As stated before the JV championship will have 20 college coaches in the stands and your game against BH/Pierson will have none.

what a tool

Originally Posted by Anonymous

St A's and Chammy JV's would beat many (70%) of the suffolk and nassau Varsity teams. They travel to Don Bosco, Delbarton, Wilton, Darian, new Canen to name a few. Your school and soph son can continue to beat up copiage, kings park et al and tell anyone who cares that he plays varsity. As stated before the JV championship will have 20 college coaches in the stands and your game against BH/Pierson will have none.

I really think you need to re-evaluate the meds...how can you--with any semblance of truth--come on here and say the those two teams will beat 70%...have they played anyone?

I saw my son's 2018 team play St A to a 3 goal loss in a warm up scrimmage MC put together.

Have not seen chammy JV play and they may be great, but take a big step back and play someone before you shoot your mouth off...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

St A's and Chammy JV's would beat many (70%) of the suffolk and nassau Varsity teams. They travel to Don Bosco, Delbarton, Wilton, Darian, new Canen to name a few. Your school and soph son can continue to beat up copiage, kings park et al and tell anyone who cares that he plays varsity. As stated before the JV championship will have 20 college coaches in the stands and your game against BH/Pierson will have none.

I really think you need to re-evaluate the meds...how can you--with any semblance of truth--come on here and say the those two teams will beat 70%...have they played anyone?

I saw my son's 2018 team play St A to a 3 goal loss in a warm up scrimmage MC put together.

Have not seen chammy JV play and they may be great, but take a big step back and play someone before you shoot your mouth off...

Is that true? A rumor I heard is that MC's 2018 terp team scrimmaged St Ants 2x and JV lost both times?????

let him go...just so very proud and excited to have a son on the St Ants team. let the guy enjoy . the guy dressed in head to toe st ants (or Chaminade) lax jacket, sweatshirt hat etc. fun to watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

St A's and Chammy JV's would beat many (70%) of the suffolk and nassau Varsity teams. They travel to Don Bosco, Delbarton, Wilton, Darian, new Canen to name a few. Your school and soph son can continue to beat up copiage, kings park et al and tell anyone who cares that he plays varsity. As stated before the JV championship will have 20 college coaches in the stands and your game against BH/Pierson will have none.

I really think you need to re-evaluate the meds...how can you--with any semblance of truth--come on here and say the those two teams will beat 70%...have they played anyone?

I saw my son's 2018 team play St A to a 3 goal loss in a warm up scrimmage MC put together.

Have not seen chammy JV play and they may be great, but take a big step back and play someone before you shoot your mouth off...

Is that true? A rumor I heard is that MC's 2018 terp team scrimmaged St Ants 2x and JV lost both times?????

Let go of the rumors Oprah...clown said his sons 2018 team lost by three.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

let him go...just so very proud and excited to have a son on the St Ants team. let the guy enjoy . the guy dressed in head to toe st ants (or Chaminade) lax jacket, sweatshirt hat etc. fun to watch.

What school does your kid attend?

Dont understand the negativity. Never see catholics being negative towards those that attend public school. If son/daughter is happy at public school....Great. If others decide they want a catholic based curriculum for their children...Great. As far as Lax....play who is on schedule and win the games that are scheduled. Dont get the whole idea about playing varsity and not being recruited as such a great thing. Rather have kid on JV and be committed. But again.....different strokes for different folks.

It does not say much for a team that has to pull up frosh and even a lot of soph. The depth at the varsity level must not be there. If it's not for adding bodies what does that say for the jr or sr who is being replaced?

Cham and St Anthony's don't need to pull up because they field plenty of kids and then some.

the simple fact like it or not is cham and st. ants put a lot of kids into d1 college programs, those schools' programs prepare players for the next level. So what if a kid chooses to go there and get less play time. that is their choice, not to mention a top education. people can bash all they want but unless you are at a powerhouse public program (the usual suspects gc wi,wm smith etc ) you are really not going to get looked at unless you are on a killer travel program. if you were a college coach at a prospect day what kids would catch your attention first? the players from solid high school programs or the schools that play fluff schedules and are weak?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would be frustrated if my Son was playing JV St.A or Chaminade as a 10th Grader. I see so many Sophmores having great seasons in Newsday. The landscape has changed with all these camps and prospect camps any public school kid has a great shot at College. If you attend these Schools for the education that's great, but if you think by going to the private schools for College Lacrosse , that's done. Syosset,Massapequa, Manh, GC, Ward Melville and Sachem carry just as much weight.

The JV coach at St. Ants. has an incredible track record of actually developing talent. It is a great bargain to be able to play JV with him and get his coaching every day.

My son plays on a public team is doing well on paper but in reality I think he is getting far less coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would be frustrated if my Son was playing JV St.A or Chaminade as a 10th Grader. I see so many Sophmores having great seasons in Newsday. The landscape has changed with all these camps and prospect camps any public school kid has a great shot at College. If you attend these Schools for the education that's great, but if you think by going to the private schools for College Lacrosse , that's done. Syosset,Massapequa, Manh, GC, Ward Melville and Sachem carry just as much weight.

Interesting......49 schools in section 11 and close to same number in section 8. You were able to come up with 6 good lax schools of which 4 would be high rated acedemic schools. Your point is basically stupid....St A and Chammy play all over the tri-state area playing high quality lax and get a high quality catholic based education that is respected by college lax and admissions programs. If its not for you or your son.....Great. It has been great for my kid.

Not all schools pull up to varsity even if the under classmen deserve it. Northport for example doesn't always pull up. And unfortunately, even if they do, they play the seniors more often than not and even if it at positions were the under classmen deserves to play. Nothing wrong with playing JV for a year or two even in public school and then moving up to varsity where a kid will get playing time.

There have been some very strong performances by Class of 2017 kids this year. Nice to see.

Does anyone know of any D1 prospect camps on either the weekend of May 30-31 or June 6-7?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know of any D1 prospect camps on either the weekend of May 30-31 or June 6-7?

No recruiting during Memorial Day Weekend. I doubt if there is anything the following week because of State Championships.

All of the schools have summer camps.

Very quiet here on the 2017 board, everyone must be satisfied with the way things are going for the boys lol Oh for the good old days of the top ten club rankings....

Club Teams are finished. With High School summer programs and committed teams the Boys are all spread out. I don't even know where everybody is. Good Luck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very quiet here on the 2017 board, everyone must be satisfied with the way things are going for the boys lol Oh for the good old days of the top ten club rankings....

Lol. So funny. I have a younger one too. Go on the 2023 board. A lot of ranking there. Miss those days too. They will learn.

My son is a committed 2017 but not in LI or MD. We are noticing many of the other kids who have committed are not playing club any more or playing lesser clubs so they can be the stud. Frankly in my area varsity season is a bunch of games against mediocre teams with 3-4 competitive games. He is lucky to be on one of the competitive teams so practices are beneficial. However, I feel that it is important our son gets in the 20+ games against mostly competitive teams every summer playing club until he starts college. The commitment is of course never iron clad, and just the first step to actually getting on the field in college.

Is this common in LI?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a committed 2017 but not in LI or MD. We are noticing many of the other kids who have committed are not playing club any more or playing lesser clubs so they can be the stud. Frankly in my area varsity season is a bunch of games against mediocre teams with 3-4 competitive games. He is lucky to be on one of the competitive teams so practices are beneficial. However, I feel that it is important our son gets in the 20+ games against mostly competitive teams every summer playing club until he starts college. The commitment is of course never iron clad, and just the first step to actually getting on the field in college.

Is this common in LI?

Yes. The kids who are serious about getting playing time in college continue to challenge themselves by playing top level competition. There are a few clubs that recruit committed players for tournaments. You could reach out to them to see if your son might be able to play. Some are FCA, Sweetlax, 3D

He will play on the club he has been with for years as well as another team of state players, many committed, in the 2017 age group. Amazing coaches who care about him and his development, not a money grab.

Incredible to think that these kids are now sophomores and still have 2 falls and 3 summers ahead, but have few real places to go to keep competitive and challenged. Club ball is so watered down to begin with, then it just gets diluted by committed kids and their parents just not wanting to stay with that money grab shuffle. I can't blame them since club ball has become with few exceptions a complete waste. What to do? College coaches are going to be very underwhelmed to see kids who have not developed in their last 2-3 years of HS. I am really concerned there isn't a place to go to fill the competitive cup. Ideas anyone?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Incredible to think that these kids are now sophomores and still have 2 falls and 3 summers ahead, but have few real places to go to keep competitive and challenged. Club ball is so watered down to begin with, then it just gets diluted by committed kids and their parents just not wanting to stay with that money grab shuffle. I can't blame them since club ball has become with few exceptions a complete waste. What to do? College coaches are going to be very underwhelmed to see kids who have not developed in their last 2-3 years of HS. I am really concerned there isn't a place to go to fill the competitive cup. Ideas anyone?

yes play the summer circuit with your HS team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Incredible to think that these kids are now sophomores and still have 2 falls and 3 summers ahead, but have few real places to go to keep competitive and challenged. Club ball is so watered down to begin with, then it just gets diluted by committed kids and their parents just not wanting to stay with that money grab shuffle. I can't blame them since club ball has become with few exceptions a complete waste. What to do? College coaches are going to be very underwhelmed to see kids who have not developed in their last 2-3 years of HS. I am really concerned there isn't a place to go to fill the competitive cup. Ideas anyone?

yes play the summer circuit with your HS team?

Not always possible, HS teams play for different clubs.

Work out and play with High School team

We're not from LI meaning that considering my son goes to a public school, training non-HS season with the HS won't do anything to help him develop. I can see the bennies of private schools for lacrosse, but think it is silly to cough up tens of thousands in tuition to get to lacrosse training. Has this sport evolved into something that can offer decent training somewhere? I just don't know. 3 club tournaments is ok I guess, but my guess is a lot of commits are ditching club lacrosse. And that basically means 100% of the kids who play at decent prep school programs. What to do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We're not from LI meaning that considering my son goes to a public school, training non-HS season with the HS won't do anything to help him develop. I can see the bennies of private schools for lacrosse, but think it is silly to cough up tens of thousands in tuition to get to lacrosse training. Has this sport evolved into something that can offer decent training somewhere? I just don't know. 3 club tournaments is ok I guess, but my guess is a lot of commits are ditching club lacrosse. And that basically means 100% of the kids who play at decent prep school programs. What to do?

Go to a gym and work out. Wall Ball. Play with High School team. Old fashioned way works best

You are right. Just plain working out and doing drills is solid. I am going to cajole my son to rally his mates to just meet informally to play pick up lacrosse. Works for basketball players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are right. Just plain working out and doing drills is solid. I am going to cajole my son to rally his mates to just meet informally to play pick up lacrosse. Works for basketball players.

Also if your son is committed he should go to the schools camp. There are pros and cons to that, but overall I think it is a plus.

i agree. my son is a 2018 goalie currently starting on JV and will be playing with varsity for the summer doing showcases and a few prospect days. I have had it with the $3000 summers with the damn travel teams. Not necessary. He made a list of schools he is interested in from a lax as well as educational standpoint and that is what we are focusing on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i agree. my son is a 2018 goalie currently starting on JV and will be playing with varsity for the summer doing showcases and a few prospect days. I have had it with the $3000 summers with the damn travel teams. Not necessary. He made a list of schools he is interested in from a lax as well as educational standpoint and that is what we are focusing on.

Whoooooaaaaaa, hold on! I don't think you understand, you need to hold your kid back a year (or at least say you are going to) pay 10K for team fees, travel and film, hire a nutritionist, speed coach and strength trainer; attend multiple showcases and showcase qualifiers; a few camps, and spend 2K having a hilight reel made �. EDUCATIONAL STANDPOINT????? What does that even mean? Does your kid play soccer or something?

We are from LI and we have 8 D1 committed players on our varsity team and none of them, including my son, plays for a travel team. They don't want injury.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are from LI and we have 8 D1 committed players on our varsity team and none of them, including my son, plays for a travel team. They don't want injury.

That is interesting, my son's future coach indicated to him he should play club, we are in a non-hotbed and I'd love to have him skip our Varsity season, too many hacks and a bizarre coaching situation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are from LI and we have 8 D1 committed players on our varsity team and none of them, including my son, plays for a travel team. They don't want injury.

Herein lies one of the issues with early recruiting. Giving up on competition and development way too soon. I'm sure you'll say that your kid is working hard to keep his skills up. Nothing like good game competition to prepare for D1 lacrosse.

What school has 8 d-1 commits with none playing club? Are they all seniors?

Or, perhaps they gave up club and are only playing on the schools travel team?

For the boys I know to be committed, they are all playing with the HS travel team--might as well be club, same practices and similar number of tournaments--5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are from LI and we have 8 D1 committed players on our varsity team and none of them, including my son, plays for a travel team. They don't want injury.

They need to keep developing their skills. That is a mistake to stop playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are from LI and we have 8 D1 committed players on our varsity team and none of them, including my son, plays for a travel team. They don't want injury.

So your speaking for all 8 D1 commits on your team. I am sorry but most elite athletes don't play with the fear of getting hurt. If you play with that you cant truly play at the top of your game. Its 110% for these top D1 athletes all the time. That's what separates them from the average player. That uncanny ability to play at a high level for extended periods of time. Not just spurts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are from LI and we have 8 D1 committed players on our varsity team and none of them, including my son, plays for a travel team. They don't want injury.

They need to keep developing their skills. That is a mistake to stop playing.

Yes, they stop plying not because they're afraid of getting hurt, it's because they are afraid of looking bad on the field.

Wow, not that I could blame parents and kids for wanting to pass on $3,000 worth of watered down club ball this summer but this is just abysmal on many levels. The club tournaments are now set up so that there's a free for all to sign up 40,50,80...teams for a cowfield event with maybe a handful of decent club teams that don't play each other until the end. Now if top kids drop playing club, the garbage can smells even more. This is a disaster for the kids and the coaches who recruited them. There isn't any way kids will develop unless they are being competitively challenged. So unless your kid goes to a prep school doing year round lacrosse, that is just not available? What a joke. My son will do summer club for a good 2017 team, but I am already hearing this kid and that kid may just blow it off. Kids who didn't get recruited or committed just don't want to do it because they feel it is too late and no point, committed kids just don't want to do it either because they feel they don't need to. So sit on the couch all summer? Jesus what a mess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, not that I could blame parents and kids for wanting to pass on $3,000 worth of watered down club ball this summer but this is just abysmal on many levels. The club tournaments are now set up so that there's a free for all to sign up 40,50,80...teams for a cowfield event with maybe a handful of decent club teams that don't play each other until the end. Now if top kids drop playing club, the garbage can smells even more. This is a disaster for the kids and the coaches who recruited them. There isn't any way kids will develop unless they are being competitively challenged. So unless your kid goes to a prep school doing year round lacrosse, that is just not available? What a joke. My son will do summer club for a good 2017 team, but I am already hearing this kid and that kid may just blow it off. Kids who didn't get recruited or committed just don't want to do it because they feel it is too late and no point, committed kids just don't want to do it either because they feel they don't need to. So sit on the couch all summer? Jesus what a mess.

Can you imagine just playing for the fun of the sport?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, not that I could blame parents and kids for wanting to pass on $3,000 worth of watered down club ball this summer but this is just abysmal on many levels. The club tournaments are now set up so that there's a free for all to sign up 40,50,80...teams for a cowfield event with maybe a handful of decent club teams that don't play each other until the end. Now if top kids drop playing club, the garbage can smells even more. This is a disaster for the kids and the coaches who recruited them. There isn't any way kids will develop unless they are being competitively challenged. So unless your kid goes to a prep school doing year round lacrosse, that is just not available? What a joke. My son will do summer club for a good 2017 team, but I am already hearing this kid and that kid may just blow it off. Kids who didn't get recruited or committed just don't want to do it because they feel it is too late and no point, committed kids just don't want to do it either because they feel they don't need to. So sit on the couch all summer? Jesus what a mess.

Can you imagine just playing for the fun of the sport?

Most parents don't fully understand the college recruiting process. Once your committed, the expectation is that your son will continue to grow as an athlete and lacrosse player.

The high school teams are fun, but reality is the teams are diluted with kids who are not year round lacrosse players. Only real way to keep challenged is to play some form of club. Until a new system of post committed tournaments is created that is the best we have now.

Reality is most committed kids are nervous about looking bad post commitment and prior to signing LOI

anyone know what happened to ty xanders? Seemed to have disappeared from twitter

He is on twitter as I write this. talking about Boys Latin and St. Paul's game

Originally Posted by America's Game

He is on twitter as I write this. talking about Boys Latin and St. Paul's game

Must have accidentally deleted him, what was I thinking?? Lol

I hadn't looked at his tweets for some time, but doesn't look like he's evolved much. If you want to know every detail on the MIAA or the Washington DC prep scene he is your minute to minute guy. Lacrosse could sure use someone with a wider lens who is less apt to just hype anything local because he went to one of those prep schools. Sure the MIAA and the DC prep league have strong high school teams and players, but I think we all know there are strong teams and players elsewhere. Didn't a California team recently swing through and hang some losses on the MD preps? That must have bruised a few egos.

HS lacrosse will never get the proper coverage it deserves with localized coverage and bloggers. TY lives in Baltimore so he will cover games close to him. Unless a major network organization picks up HS lacrosse we will never get great unbiased national coverage. I am not 100% sure which school he went to (I think St Pauls School)but I do know he gives MD schools a bit more love. Lets also hope he doesn't get funding (advertising dollars on his site, plane tickets to cover tournaments, etc.) from one of the bigger travel programs because than it will be all about that team and its players.

Originally Posted by America's Game

HS lacrosse will never get the proper coverage it deserves with localized coverage and bloggers. TY lives in Baltimore so he will cover games close to him. Unless a major network organization picks up HS lacrosse we will never get great unbiased national coverage. I am not 100% sure which school he went to (I think St Pauls School)but I do know he gives MD schools a bit more love. Lets also hope he doesn't get funding (advertising dollars on his site, plane tickets to cover tournaments, etc.) from one of the bigger travel programs because than it will be all about that team and its players.

How is it possible he does not get paid by the events and event owners that he covers? Where else is revenue in what he does??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

HS lacrosse will never get the proper coverage it deserves with localized coverage and bloggers. TY lives in Baltimore so he will cover games close to him. Unless a major network organization picks up HS lacrosse we will never get great unbiased national coverage. I am not 100% sure which school he went to (I think St Pauls School)but I do know he gives MD schools a bit more love. Lets also hope he doesn't get funding (advertising dollars on his site, plane tickets to cover tournaments, etc.) from one of the bigger travel programs because than it will be all about that team and its players.

How is it possible he does not get paid by the events and event owners that he covers? Where else is revenue in what he does??

I cant tell you his approach or business model. I think he gets a little from everyone That's my guess and don't really know. The fact he left Inside Lacrosse and started something on his own could mean he has a sponsor. Just hope its not a particular program.

Fair points, and I don't know either. The revenue possibilities here are pretty limited to college coaches, events guys, club owners, prep school programs and to a much lower extent advertising billboards on the website. I seriously doubt college coaches pay for this in lacrosse, but some do in other major sports. The only way this could possibly work is some events guy or prep school program wants coverage and pays his way to come and to cover the events and games. That is certainly fraught with conflicts of interest but is what it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fair points, and I don't know either. The revenue possibilities here are pretty limited to college coaches, events guys, club owners, prep school programs and to a much lower extent advertising billboards on the website. I seriously doubt college coaches pay for this in lacrosse, but some do in other major sports. The only way this could possibly work is some events guy or prep school program wants coverage and pays his way to come and to cover the events and games. That is certainly fraught with conflicts of interest but is what it is.

How is that a conflict of interest? Works for himself and reports a bunch of fluff. Any different than Newsday or other rag paper? You make it seem like he is the all knowing all telling. Funny thing is I was standing next to him at a PA event and he was writing down verbatim what was being told to him on the phone.

For a sport that struggles to get people to pay to attend its pinnacle event, the college national championship, doubtful there's much in the way of revenue for bloggers. Lacrosse has a very long way to go before it's considered a major sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fair points, and I don't know either. The revenue possibilities here are pretty limited to college coaches, events guys, club owners, prep school programs and to a much lower extent advertising billboards on the website. I seriously doubt college coaches pay for this in lacrosse, but some do in other major sports. The only way this could possibly work is some events guy or prep school program wants coverage and pays his way to come and to cover the events and games. That is certainly fraught with conflicts of interest but is what it is.

How is that a conflict of interest? Works for himself and reports a bunch of fluff. Any different than Newsday or other rag paper? You make it seem like he is the all knowing all telling. Funny thing is I was standing next to him at a PA event and he was writing down verbatim what was being told to him on the phone.

I think you and the earlier commenter are in agreement. There isn't any real dough being a lacrosse blogger, and what little there is comes from hyping kids and collecting what he can for it. And come on, you think some 3d guy is going to not write up the owner's son (who happens to be a good player) most at their events? Frankly I don't care much, but he has over 11K followers who do care and this seems to make them happy to be in a lacrosse social media sewing circle. My own son follows him on Twitter and so be it, he's 13. The good thing about 13 year olds is they get older and care less and less about things like this. Good for the kids who do get recognized and for them that is exciting and neat. Like getting some ice cream. Next...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For a sport that struggles to get people to pay to attend its pinnacle event, the college national championship, doubtful there's much in the way of revenue for bloggers. Lacrosse has a very long way to go before it's considered a major sport.

Lacrosse wouldn't struggle to fill Byrd Stadium or another 40,000 - 50,000 venue even on Memorial Day w/e. NFL stadiums are the worst places to put them and are the only places the lacrosse FF go to. You don't see the Frozen Four going into domes to see if 60,000+ people will pay to watch on the jumbo tron. Lacrosse seems to be a sport struggling with common sense more than anything else.

Lacrosse Unlimited used to pay him to follow the TT, my guess is his lifestyle (chipotle and whatever in in his red solo cup)is being subsidized by Mr Crabs and the BLC...just an observation

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse Unlimited used to pay him to follow the TT, my guess is his lifestyle (chipotle and whatever in in his red solo cup)is being subsidized by Mr Crabs and the BLC...just an observation

Who knows, and Ty is certainly under no obligation to say. It is very transparent he came out of the gates with his new venture heaping praises on LI and Philly kids and going to events there constantly. Now, not so much. Back in the old B'more MIAA mafia circles...writing about the games there. The ebb and flow is who pays for it, and there is nothing wrong with that. But that is about as evolved as this sport is now, which isn't much at all.

Lax Sports Network has just been announced. Lets wish this new network much success and hope it helps promote the sport we all love.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fair points, and I don't know either. The revenue possibilities here are pretty limited to college coaches, events guys, club owners, prep school programs and to a much lower extent advertising billboards on the website. I seriously doubt college coaches pay for this in lacrosse, but some do in other major sports. The only way this could possibly work is some events guy or prep school program wants coverage and pays his way to come and to cover the events and games. That is certainly fraught with conflicts of interest but is what it is.

How is that a conflict of interest? Works for himself and reports a bunch of fluff. Any different than Newsday or other rag paper? You make it seem like he is the all knowing all telling. Funny thing is I was standing next to him at a PA event and he was writing down verbatim what was being told to him on the phone.

Who was on the other end of the phone? My guess is someone who is backing him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fair points, and I don't know either. The revenue possibilities here are pretty limited to college coaches, events guys, club owners, prep school programs and to a much lower extent advertising billboards on the website. I seriously doubt college coaches pay for this in lacrosse, but some do in other major sports. The only way this could possibly work is some events guy or prep school program wants coverage and pays his way to come and to cover the events and games. That is certainly fraught with conflicts of interest but is what it is.

How is that a conflict of interest? Works for himself and reports a bunch of fluff. Any different than Newsday or other rag paper? You make it seem like he is the all knowing all telling. Funny thing is I was standing next to him at a PA event and he was writing down verbatim what was being told to him on the phone.

Who was on the other end of the phone? My guess is someone who is backing him.

Im not NSA...have no idea but to speculate it might have been an assistant coach trying to get props for his scouting so head coach can pat him on the back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are from LI and we have 8 D1 committed players on our varsity team and none of them, including my son, plays for a travel team. They don't want injury.

That is interesting, my son's future coach indicated to him he should play club, we are in a non-hotbed and I'd love to have him skip our Varsity season, too many hacks and a bizarre coaching situation.

where did they get the exposure? There are so many camps hard to tell which ones are worth it

... It's a very bad sign if your D1 committed son is more concerned about injury vs the urge to compete...
might be early signs of burn out. Kids playing year round since 4th grade can do that.

btw- most of these "committed" players are concerned about losing What?? ... potential sports injury. 1/4 scoralship?? please... think of how rediculious that logic is when you compare the scores of college athletes that weigh foregoing eligibility to protect millions $$$$ pro contract

Agree on that. I am struggling to get some teaching moment thing through to my sons. One is a 2017 commit and one is about to go into the summer after 8th grade summer club season. When I did college sport in another sport a long tim ago my goals in high school were breaking school records, making all state, making all america, being a team captain, being nationally ranked in club version of same sport and making a junior national team. Everyone around me had goals, just not the same ones, like making varsity or starting. Those are all real things. I started thinking about a college when everyone in my high school got a wake up call and college counselor meeting scheduled in spring junior year. This sport robs the kids and the kids are robbing themselves out of doing something that is a real accomplishment. Picking a college before all your friends do is not an accomplishment. I don't even consider getting a partial athletic scholarship in some sport an accomplishment worth trying to live on. Starting in 7th grade all these kids care about is a college verbal and that is all most adults who are supposed to be mentoring this kids care about too. Then after that is done, all the kids care about is trading up or who is changing their commitment and avoiding looking bad at all costs. I wish for something better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are from LI and we have 8 D1 committed players on our varsity team and none of them, including my son, plays for a travel team. They don't want injury.

Really? I'm sure that their future college coaches are happy about that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree on that. I am struggling to get some teaching moment thing through to my sons. One is a 2017 commit and one is about to go into the summer after 8th grade summer club season. When I did college sport in another sport a long tim ago my goals in high school were breaking school records, making all state, making all america, being a team captain, being nationally ranked in club version of same sport and making a junior national team. Everyone around me had goals, just not the same ones, like making varsity or starting. Those are all real things. I started thinking about a college when everyone in my high school got a wake up call and college counselor meeting scheduled in spring junior year. This sport robs the kids and the kids are robbing themselves out of doing something that is a real accomplishment. Picking a college before all your friends do is not an accomplishment. I don't even consider getting a partial athletic scholarship in some sport an accomplishment worth trying to live on. Starting in 7th grade all these kids care about is a college verbal and that is all most adults who are supposed to be mentoring this kids care about too. Then after that is done, all the kids care about is trading up or who is changing their commitment and avoiding looking bad at all costs. I wish for something better.

I agree. However, until the NCAA and the D1 coaches put an end to this madness, it will continue to get worse. I suspect we will begin to see rising 8th grade commits in the not too distant future...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree on that. I am struggling to get some teaching moment thing through to my sons. One is a 2017 commit and one is about to go into the summer after 8th grade summer club season. When I did college sport in another sport a long tim ago my goals in high school were breaking school records, making all state, making all america, being a team captain, being nationally ranked in club version of same sport and making a junior national team. Everyone around me had goals, just not the same ones, like making varsity or starting. Those are all real things. I started thinking about a college when everyone in my high school got a wake up call and college counselor meeting scheduled in spring junior year. This sport robs the kids and the kids are robbing themselves out of doing something that is a real accomplishment. Picking a college before all your friends do is not an accomplishment. I don't even consider getting a partial athletic scholarship in some sport an accomplishment worth trying to live on. Starting in 7th grade all these kids care about is a college verbal and that is all most adults who are supposed to be mentoring this kids care about too. Then after that is done, all the kids care about is trading up or who is changing their commitment and avoiding looking bad at all costs. I wish for something better.

I agree. However, until the NCAA and the D1 coaches put an end to this madness, it will continue to get worse. I suspect we will begin to see rising 8th grade commits in the not too distant future...

Spoke with a big D1 coach the other day. He told me we will see a big rise in schools decommitting kids who have failed to develop after committing early.He says it will happen just before NLI is signed. My son has has never stopped, challenging himself all summer, every summer. Now other coaches are coming around making offers even though they have someone committed in his position. They say it's a business and they want the best kids they can get. Looks like the verbal is not going to mean much if you don't keep playing and challenging yourself. Hiding might just get your offer pulled.

I think this is going to be par for the course. This early commit stuff for age appropriate players who have yet to go through puberty is a big risk. If the kid is a repeat and he is signed early he might have already hit puberty and developed. I know that an athlete is an athlete but if you take two great athletes with the same skills but one is 6'3 200lbs vs a 5'8 155 I put my money on the bigger of the two. So now a kid was over looked but all of the sudden he starts to grow like a bean and put on size it does make a difference.

Originally Posted by America's Game

I think this is going to be par for the course. This early commit stuff for age appropriate players who have yet to go through puberty is a big risk. If the kid is a repeat and he is signed early he might have already hit puberty and developed. I know that an athlete is an athlete but if you take two great athletes with the same skills but one is 6'3 200lbs vs a 5'8 155 I put my money on the bigger of the two. So now a kid was over looked but all of the sudden he starts to grow like a bean and put on size it does make a difference.

I have observed just the opposite. Some of the kids who seemed to be better players because they were shaving 6' and 180 in 9th grade relied on size and muscle mass to appear to dominate they boys they were playing against. The players who had to develop speed, finesse and stick skills to compete with them are often now better players. Some of the early bloomers are still the real deal, but some have been overtaken by peers. Often the early bloomers end up smaller at the end of senior year than the late bloomers because longer puberty results in more height. Gradual growth helps them develop stick skills 9-13 and speed during the years it is most beneficial 13-16, strength comes later. If strength comes too early it can impede speed to skills. http://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachments/photo/2836/4469/TrainabilityChart.png

Some early recruiting coaches had a tough time distinguishing the early bloomers, who appeared to dominate from the late bloomers who could dominate later, but couldn't physically compete against grown men at age 13. Of course there are exceptions, some kids are just studs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

I think this is going to be par for the course. This early commit stuff for age appropriate players who have yet to go through puberty is a big risk. If the kid is a repeat and he is signed early he might have already hit puberty and developed. I know that an athlete is an athlete but if you take two great athletes with the same skills but one is 6'3 200lbs vs a 5'8 155 I put my money on the bigger of the two. So now a kid was over looked but all of the sudden he starts to grow like a bean and put on size it does make a difference.

I have observed just the opposite. Some of the kids who seemed to be better players because they were shaving 6' and 180 in 9th grade relied on size and muscle mass to appear to dominate they boys they were playing against. The players who had to develop speed, finesse and stick skills to compete with them are often now better players. Some of the early bloomers are still the real deal, but some have been overtaken by peers. Often the early bloomers end up smaller at the end of senior year than the late bloomers because longer puberty results in more height. Gradual growth helps them develop stick skills 9-13 and speed during the years it is most beneficial 13-16, strength comes later. If strength comes too early it can impede speed to skills. http://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachments/photo/2836/4469/TrainabilityChart.png

Some early recruiting coaches had a tough time distinguishing the early bloomers, who appeared to dominate from the late bloomers who could dominate later, but couldn't physically compete against grown men at age 13. Of course there are exceptions, some kids are just studs.

Its about the early recruits who might have been bigger early then puberty hits. I said this because many of the early recruits are the kids who might have hit puberty early and then the kid who has not hits it and grows bigger and stronger than the early bloomer. I have seen it very often. Kids who at 13 and 14 who were 5 inches taller than my son are now looking up at him at 14 almost 15 at 6ft 1 and 180. I said same athletic ability and skill. So if those are the same the bigger player usually dominates. This game has evolved a lot. A different athlete is getting introduced to the sport as it moves South and West.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree on that. I am struggling to get some teaching moment thing through to my sons. One is a 2017 commit and one is about to go into the summer after 8th grade summer club season. When I did college sport in another sport a long tim ago my goals in high school were breaking school records, making all state, making all america, being a team captain, being nationally ranked in club version of same sport and making a junior national team. Everyone around me had goals, just not the same ones, like making varsity or starting. Those are all real things. I started thinking about a college when everyone in my high school got a wake up call and college counselor meeting scheduled in spring junior year. This sport robs the kids and the kids are robbing themselves out of doing something that is a real accomplishment. Picking a college before all your friends do is not an accomplishment. I don't even consider getting a partial athletic scholarship in some sport an accomplishment worth trying to live on. Starting in 7th grade all these kids care about is a college verbal and that is all most adults who are supposed to be mentoring this kids care about too. Then after that is done, all the kids care about is trading up or who is changing their commitment and avoiding looking bad at all costs. I wish for something better.

I agree. However, until the NCAA and the D1 coaches put an end to this madness, it will continue to get worse. I suspect we will begin to see rising 8th grade commits in the not too distant future...

Spoke with a big D1 coach the other day. He told me we will see a big rise in schools decommitting kids who have failed to develop after committing early.He says it will happen just before NLI is signed. My son has has never stopped, challenging himself all summer, every summer. Now other coaches are coming around making offers even though they have someone committed in his position. They say it's a business and they want the best kids they can get. Looks like the verbal is not going to mean much if you don't keep playing and challenging yourself. Hiding might just get your offer pulled.

This comment was more about the committed kids who as soon as they get that verbal, disappear and think they shouldn't play anymore because they might get "hurt"(wuss)
Not so much about size and development because plenty of small kids Excell at this sport due to their craftiness and commitment. It's about those that don't want to play against the best competition because they are afraid to look bad. Keep hiding and you might not have to worry about that because someone working hard and showing up will take your place!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree on that. I am struggling to get some teaching moment thing through to my sons. One is a 2017 commit and one is about to go into the summer after 8th grade summer club season. When I did college sport in another sport a long tim ago my goals in high school were breaking school records, making all state, making all america, being a team captain, being nationally ranked in club version of same sport and making a junior national team. Everyone around me had goals, just not the same ones, like making varsity or starting. Those are all real things. I started thinking about a college when everyone in my high school got a wake up call and college counselor meeting scheduled in spring junior year. This sport robs the kids and the kids are robbing themselves out of doing something that is a real accomplishment. Picking a college before all your friends do is not an accomplishment. I don't even consider getting a partial athletic scholarship in some sport an accomplishment worth trying to live on. Starting in 7th grade all these kids care about is a college verbal and that is all most adults who are supposed to be mentoring this kids care about too. Then after that is done, all the kids care about is trading up or who is changing their commitment and avoiding looking bad at all costs. I wish for something better.

I agree. However, until the NCAA and the D1 coaches put an end to this madness, it will continue to get worse. I suspect we will begin to see rising 8th grade commits in the not too distant future...

Spoke with a big D1 coach the other day. He told me we will see a big rise in schools decommitting kids who have failed to develop after committing early.He says it will happen just before NLI is signed. My son has has never stopped, challenging himself all summer, every summer. Now other coaches are coming around making offers even though they have someone committed in his position. They say it's a business and they want the best kids they can get. Looks like the verbal is not going to mean much if you don't keep playing and challenging yourself. Hiding might just get your offer pulled.

This comment was more about the committed kids who as soon as they get that verbal, disappear and think they shouldn't play anymore because they might get "hurt"(wuss)
Not so much about size and development because plenty of small kids Excell at this sport due to their craftiness and commitment. It's about those that don't want to play against the best competition because they are afraid to look bad. Keep hiding and you might not have to worry about that because someone working hard and showing up will take your place!

I agree about the players who stop playing for the fear of getting hurt thing is a bit soft. Not the kid probably the parent making that choice. There is a 2018 commit from LI who is 5'4 to 5'6 at most. He has been very dominant for years and was considered more physically mature than most kids at a young age. His skills are outstanding but as players continue to hone their skills and also pass him in size and strength he isn't as dominant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree on that. I am struggling to get some teaching moment thing through to my sons. One is a 2017 commit and one is about to go into the summer after 8th grade summer club season. When I did college sport in another sport a long tim ago my goals in high school were breaking school records, making all state, making all america, being a team captain, being nationally ranked in club version of same sport and making a junior national team. Everyone around me had goals, just not the same ones, like making varsity or starting. Those are all real things. I started thinking about a college when everyone in my high school got a wake up call and college counselor meeting scheduled in spring junior year. This sport robs the kids and the kids are robbing themselves out of doing something that is a real accomplishment. Picking a college before all your friends do is not an accomplishment. I don't even consider getting a partial athletic scholarship in some sport an accomplishment worth trying to live on. Starting in 7th grade all these kids care about is a college verbal and that is all most adults who are supposed to be mentoring this kids care about too. Then after that is done, all the kids care about is trading up or who is changing their commitment and avoiding looking bad at all costs. I wish for something better.

I agree. However, until the NCAA and the D1 coaches put an end to this madness, it will continue to get worse. I suspect we will begin to see rising 8th grade commits in the not too distant future...

Spoke with a big D1 coach the other day. He told me we will see a big rise in schools decommitting kids who have failed to develop after committing early.He says it will happen just before NLI is signed. My son has has never stopped, challenging himself all summer, every summer. Now other coaches are coming around making offers even though they have someone committed in his position. They say it's a business and they want the best kids they can get. Looks like the verbal is not going to mean much if you don't keep playing and challenging yourself. Hiding might just get your offer pulled.

This comment was more about the committed kids who as soon as they get that verbal, disappear and think they shouldn't play anymore because they might get "hurt"(wuss)
Not so much about size and development because plenty of small kids Excell at this sport due to their craftiness and commitment. It's about those that don't want to play against the best competition because they are afraid to look bad. Keep hiding and you might not have to worry about that because someone working hard and showing up will take your place!

I agree about the players who stop playing for the fear of getting hurt thing is a bit soft. Not the kid probably the parent making that choice. There is a 2018 commit from LI who is 5'4 to 5'6 at most. He has been very dominant for years and was considered more physically mature than most kids at a young age. His skills are outstanding but as players continue to hone their skills and also pass him in size and strength he isn't as dominant.

That could be true for that kid, but there are plenty of shorter kids that knock down the doors. I was at the Army/ ND game last week, both leading scorers were quite short. 5'5 army and 5'7 ND

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree on that. I am struggling to get some teaching moment thing through to my sons. One is a 2017 commit and one is about to go into the summer after 8th grade summer club season. When I did college sport in another sport a long tim ago my goals in high school were breaking school records, making all state, making all america, being a team captain, being nationally ranked in club version of same sport and making a junior national team. Everyone around me had goals, just not the same ones, like making varsity or starting. Those are all real things. I started thinking about a college when everyone in my high school got a wake up call and college counselor meeting scheduled in spring junior year. This sport robs the kids and the kids are robbing themselves out of doing something that is a real accomplishment. Picking a college before all your friends do is not an accomplishment. I don't even consider getting a partial athletic scholarship in some sport an accomplishment worth trying to live on. Starting in 7th grade all these kids care about is a college verbal and that is all most adults who are supposed to be mentoring this kids care about too. Then after that is done, all the kids care about is trading up or who is changing their commitment and avoiding looking bad at all costs. I wish for something better.

I agree. However, until the NCAA and the D1 coaches put an end to this madness, it will continue to get worse. I suspect we will begin to see rising 8th grade commits in the not too distant future...

Spoke with a big D1 coach the other day. He told me we will see a big rise in schools decommitting kids who have failed to develop after committing early.He says it will happen just before NLI is signed. My son has has never stopped, challenging himself all summer, every summer. Now other coaches are coming around making offers even though they have someone committed in his position. They say it's a business and they want the best kids they can get. Looks like the verbal is not going to mean much if you don't keep playing and challenging yourself. Hiding might just get your offer pulled.

This comment was more about the committed kids who as soon as they get that verbal, disappear and think they shouldn't play anymore because they might get "hurt"(wuss)
Not so much about size and development because plenty of small kids Excell at this sport due to their craftiness and commitment. It's about those that don't want to play against the best competition because they are afraid to look bad. Keep hiding and you might not have to worry about that because someone working hard and showing up will take your place!

I agree about the players who stop playing for the fear of getting hurt thing is a bit soft. Not the kid probably the parent making that choice. There is a 2018 commit from LI who is 5'4 to 5'6 at most. He has been very dominant for years and was considered more physically mature than most kids at a young age. His skills are outstanding but as players continue to hone their skills and also pass him in size and strength he isn't as dominant.

That could be true for that kid, but there are plenty of shorter kids that knock down the doors. I was at the Army/ ND game last week, both leading scorers were quite short. 5'5 army and 5'7 ND

Clearly players of a smaller stature have and will continue to excel at this sport. However, they are facing a rising tide of much bigger, faster, stronger athletes. Look at the best middies in the game right now, two that come to mind: Miles Jones and Sergio Perkovich. If you watched the end of the Syracuse game, they put two freshman middies in, one 6'5" the other 6'7"...

Not a big fan of Jones. He didn't show up when they needed him!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a big fan of Jones. He didn't show up when they needed him!

The goalie was the one who didn't show up!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a big fan of Jones. He didn't show up when they needed him!

The goalie was the one who didn't show up!!

Your joking about the goalie. He was shelled. Most goals were high percentage shots. Its even discussed in the breakdown of the game. Duke didn't show up. Shot selection was bad. No back up and possession in general was horrible. They spent a good 3/4 of the game playing defense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a big fan of Jones. He didn't show up when they needed him!

Can't argue with Jones production, most of any midfielder. Speaking of not showing up... How about the 5'7" attackman from ND. Towson nearly beat them. Anyone can have a bad day...
Facts still remain that the game is changing in favor of bigger, stronger, faster players. And older I might add.

oh stop with the bigger player crap. The best attackmen in the country are the small guys. Just stop with that nonsense.

When you talk about midfielders and who is the best you have to look at both sides of the field. Yes it is important to score goals but even more important to stop the other team from scoring. Middies need the ability to play both offense and defense in todays game run and gun "quick whistles". Jones was outed when he was stuck on the field playing defense he looked completely lost and got smoked. He was frustrated because he was not on the field most of the first half because Ohio St had the ball on offense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh stop with the bigger player crap. The best attackmen in the country are the small guys. Just stop with that nonsense.

Yes napoleon we will stop. If you don't see the changes in the fame your living under a rock. Yes there are the smaller players that are quick and skilled but the game is moving towards the bigger player that is just as quick and skilled.

yep...look at IVYS. big green has a frosh 5'3" attack who has big future ...no pun intended

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh stop with the bigger player crap. The best attackmen in the country are the small guys. Just stop with that nonsense.

I don't think its nonsense, seems to be the whats happening in all sports the athletes of today are bigger and faster, does not mean the shorter faster athlete has no place. Watching UNC game I think they had a couple 6foot 7 defenders playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh stop with the bigger player crap. The best attackmen in the country are the small guys. Just stop with that nonsense.

Top Suffolk points leader is 5'8" on a good day and plays with the other top scorer who is 6'3. Say what you want about size, but great lacrosse layers come in many different shapes and sizes

Right away you had to go with the napolean thing. You are an [lacrosse] my friend. Division 1 lax is not going away from the 5"6" attack who can score and run circles around your big kid who is 6'3" and cant turn on a dime like they can. Small attackman will always have a place in this game.Joey Sankey Matt kavanagh Connor Cook Jimmy Bitter Dylan Donahue Case Matheis I could keep on going and going.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right away you had to go with the napolean thing. You are an [lacrosse] my friend. Division 1 lax is not going away from the 5"6" attack who can score and run circles around your big kid who is 6'3" and cant turn on a dime like they can. Small attackman will always have a place in this game.Joey Sankey Matt kavanagh Connor Cook Jimmy Bitter Dylan Donahue Case Matheis I could keep on going and going.

Well said!

Once the bigger players starting turning up was when they started changing the way the game is played. safety first. Not against safety but a good hit now and then can change a game. Don't see the big hits anymore without a 2 minute unrelease call. Back in the day they called it finishing the play. Especially a 6'3 220 lbs defense on a 5'5 attackmen. The smaller player will get the call everytime take one for the team. The smaller players are tough but it always looks vicious so the call is made

Extremely rare you are getting a 6'3" 220lb lacrosse kid. He might be 6'3" 205. They are tall and lanky. That kid would have trouble with an elusive 5'8"170lb attackman. Seen it so many times. These smaller kids ducking underneath these guys and those big guys having trouble getting down low to cover them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Extremely rare you are getting a 6'3" 220lb lacrosse kid. He might be 6'3" 205. They are tall and lanky. That kid would have trouble with an elusive 5'8"170lb attackman. Seen it so many times. These smaller kids ducking underneath these guys and those big guys having trouble getting down low to cover them.

Absolutely. "Small" and strong a huge asset for an attackman. Plays directly into the weakness of a larger defenseman. The best of them can easily get a first step on a taller defender and can draw the high hit penalty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh stop with the bigger player crap. The best attackmen in the country are the small guys. Just stop with that nonsense.

Top Suffolk points leader is 5'8" on a good day and plays with the other top scorer who is 6'3. Say what you want about size, but great lacrosse layers come in many different shapes and sizes

Exactly. The best college coaches know this and recruit all shapes and sizes.

IQ, speed, quickness, toughness, skill, strength, attitude, etc... are all important .

The guys who usually talk about size being the end all to be all are the ones whos kids have matured earlier and are bigger faster stronger at that time. Trust me the kid at 14 who is shaving have [lacrosse] of alot more testesterone going through them, and have a big advantage over a kid who really hasnt developed yet. Some of the better players who I played against in middle school were not the ones who were studs come 11th and 12th grade. They peaked early and when little johnnie caught up they couldnt handle being just mediocre.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guys who usually talk about size being the end all to be all are the ones whos kids have matured earlier and are bigger faster stronger at that time. Trust me the kid at 14 who is shaving have [lacrosse] of alot more testesterone going through them, and have a big advantage over a kid who really hasnt developed yet. Some of the better players who I played against in middle school were not the ones who were studs come 11th and 12th grade. They peaked early and when little johnnie caught up they couldnt handle being just mediocre.

Look you all know that ultimately, bigger, faster, stronger is what the sport will look for as it gets out there to the rest of the world. It happens in all sports, it might take a while in Lax, but sooner or later, the quick 6' attackman will replace the quick 5'10" or 5" 8" one. it is just evolution. Get used to it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guys who usually talk about size being the end all to be all are the ones whos kids have matured earlier and are bigger faster stronger at that time. Trust me the kid at 14 who is shaving have [lacrosse] of alot more testesterone going through them, and have a big advantage over a kid who really hasnt developed yet. Some of the better players who I played against in middle school were not the ones who were studs come 11th and 12th grade. They peaked early and when little johnnie caught up they couldnt handle being just mediocre.

Look you all know that ultimately, bigger, faster, stronger is what the sport will look for as it gets out there to the rest of the world. It happens in all sports, it might take a while in Lax, but sooner or later, the quick 6' attackman will replace the quick 5'10" or 5" 8" one. it is just evolution. Get used to it.

Guess you have or all figured out. However if some of the shorter guys are out playing and out scoring their taller counterparts now, what makes you think this will change in the future. My son is an elite player of 6'1". He has played as a guest in many championship teams. I have observed at many of these events, noticibly short kids stealing the show. Being game changers. Stop with your nonsense. There will always be shorter players who Excell at this sport. See Teeawarten finalist lists. Allways some smaller kids there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guys who usually talk about size being the end all to be all are the ones whos kids have matured earlier and are bigger faster stronger at that time. Trust me the kid at 14 who is shaving have [lacrosse] of alot more testesterone going through them, and have a big advantage over a kid who really hasnt developed yet. Some of the better players who I played against in middle school were not the ones who were studs come 11th and 12th grade. They peaked early and when little johnnie caught up they couldnt handle being just mediocre.

Look you all know that ultimately, bigger, faster, stronger is what the sport will look for as it gets out there to the rest of the world. It happens in all sports, it might take a while in Lax, but sooner or later, the quick 6' attackman will replace the quick 5'10" or 5" 8" one. it is just evolution. Get used to it.

Guess you have or all figured out. However if some of the shorter guys are out playing and out scoring their taller counterparts now, what makes you think this will change in the future. My son is an elite player of 6'1". He has played as a guest in many championship teams. I have observed at many of these events, noticibly short kids stealing the show. Being game changers. Stop with your nonsense. There will always be shorter players who Excell at this sport. See Teeawarten finalist lists. Allways some smaller kids there.

True, there will always be some room for the smaller player, but the under 6' player only represents about a 1/4 of a teams roster. And those who are not the elite like the Rice or Kavanagh don't play as much. Mathias at Duke was #1 recruit his year. Is he the player that makes Duke go?

Most of those rosters are loaded with false heights and weights. Trust me people. I was given 2 inches and 10 lbs. I have met alot of division 1 lax players and they are not what their rosters say they are. Im 5'8' and i was 5'10" on all the rosters. Still happens people. Some supposedly 6 footers I met were more like 5'10"

why do they do that? adding up to 5 inches to a players height.
for whom?

same delusional insecure type who call sunday prospect camps being recruited

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most of those rosters are loaded with false heights and weights. Trust me people. I was given 2 inches and 10 lbs. I have met alot of division 1 lax players and they are not what their rosters say they are. Im 5'8' and i was 5'10" on all the rosters. Still happens people. Some supposedly 6 footers I met were more like 5'10"

I was 6'1 185 and was listed as 6'1 185!

ok maybe you were listed but dont tell me guys werent given height and weight? Im not insecure if you are referring to me. It is what it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right away you had to go with the napolean thing. You are an [lacrosse] my friend. Division 1 lax is not going away from the 5"6" attack who can score and run circles around your big kid who is 6'3" and cant turn on a dime like they can. Small attackman will always have a place in this game.Joey Sankey Matt kavanagh Connor Cook Jimmy Bitter Dylan Donahue Case Matheis I could keep on going and going.

Well said!

Annnnd.... the greatest attack to ever play the game by a wide margin is Lyle Thompson, who is 6 feet tall. Annnnnd the greatest Attack prior to Lyle was Gary Gait, who is 6'2". Not saying those small attacks aren't talented, but the BEST EVER are 6ft tall. It's no big deal, just the truth. Just so we are also on the same page, most of the best midfielders and defensemen of all time were and are taller than 6ft. As was stated before, the game on a whole is moving towards bigger stronger faster athletes. No one said exceptional smaller players won't have a place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right away you had to go with the napolean thing. You are an [lacrosse] my friend. Division 1 lax is not going away from the 5"6" attack who can score and run circles around your big kid who is 6'3" and cant turn on a dime like they can. Small attackman will always have a place in this game.Joey Sankey Matt kavanagh Connor Cook Jimmy Bitter Dylan Donahue Case Matheis I could keep on going and going.

Well said!

Annnnd.... the greatest attack to ever play the game by a wide margin is Lyle Thompson, who is 6 feet tall. Annnnnd the greatest Attack prior to Lyle was Gary Gait, who is 6'2". Not saying those small attacks aren't talented, but the BEST EVER are 6ft tall. It's no big deal, just the truth. Just so we are also on the same page, most of the best midfielders and defensemen of all time were and are taller than 6ft. As was stated before, the game on a whole is moving towards bigger stronger faster athletes. No one said exceptional smaller players won't have a place.

Just make sure to take your PED's

Gary Gait played middie. Get your facts straight. The best attackmen on those syracuse teams was Zulburti. Gary and Paul were middies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gary Gait played middie. Get your facts straight. The best attackmen on those syracuse teams was Zulburti. Gary and Paul were middies.

Sorry, he played both. And when he did air Gait he came from behind the cage as an attack. Something a 5'6" attack could never do, and that's a fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gary Gait played middie. Get your facts straight. The best attackmen on those syracuse teams was Zulburti. Gary and Paul were middies.

Sorry, he played both. And when he did air Gait he came from behind the cage as an attack. Something a 5'6" attack could never do, and that's a fact.

Didn't Spud Webb play lacrosse? ;P

You called him the greatest attackman. Wrong. He was aging middie when he did air gait. He inverted. Fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You called him the greatest attackman. Wrong. He was aging middie when he did air gait. He inverted. Fact.

He was a middie, but I would say aging is a stretch when speaking about a college player at the time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You called him the greatest attackman. Wrong. He was aging middie when he did air gait. He inverted. Fact.

Still something a 5'6" attack has never done nor will ever do. Fact. The game is going towards BIGGER, STRONGER, FASTER athletes. FACT. Try to dispute it all you want my vertically challenged friend, but that's the way it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You called him the greatest attackman. Wrong. He was aging middie when he did air gait. He inverted. Fact.

Still something a 5'6" attack has never done nor will ever do. Fact. The game is going towards BIGGER, STRONGER, FASTER athletes. FACT. Try to dispute it all you want my vertically challenged friend, but that's the way it is.

A lot of these wealthy short unathletic dads don't want to see the writing on the wall that lacrosse like every other sport will be dominated at the top levels by bigger, stronger, faster athletes than in the past.

Extremely gifted smaller players will still have a place but there will be a very limited number of them like the small players in the NBA.

Why would you assume I'm short? I'm 6'3". I'm just questioning your knowledge of lacrosse. It's very hard to take you serious when you don't know what position the greatest lax player ever played.

make sure to marry a very tall woman or your child will need two years of hold back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You called him the greatest attackman. Wrong. He was aging middie when he did air gait. He inverted. Fact.

Still something a 5'6" attack has never done nor will ever do. Fact. The game is going towards BIGGER, STRONGER, FASTER athletes. FACT. Try to dispute it all you want my vertically challenged friend, but that's the way it is.

A lot of these wealthy short unathletic dads don't want to see the writing on the wall that lacrosse like every other sport will be dominated at the top levels by bigger, stronger, faster athletes than in the past.

Extremely gifted smaller players will still have a place but there will be a very limited number of them like the small players in the NBA.

Can't say whose dad is unathletic or not, that is a bit of a stretch but your argument about the bigger player now playing a bigger role in all positions isn't coming, it is already here - 2016's, which is a class that most people thought was all but closed to most D1 schools are still getting looks, these late bloomers who are now 6'1, 6'2, 6'3 have become an attractive segment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You called him the greatest attackman. Wrong. He was aging middie when he did air gait. He inverted. Fact.

Still something a 5'6" attack has never done nor will ever do. Fact. The game is going towards BIGGER, STRONGER, FASTER athletes. FACT. Try to dispute it all you want my vertically challenged friend, but that's the way it is.

A lot of these wealthy short unathletic dads don't want to see the writing on the wall that lacrosse like every other sport will be dominated at the top levels by bigger, stronger, faster athletes than in the past.

Extremely gifted smaller players will still have a place but there will be a very limited number of them like the small players in the NBA.

So now all of the most athletic tall kids will leave Football and Basketball to play lacrosse?? Please! No career there, and nobody even carea about lacrosse except the parents of the players. Look at the Sayville lacrosse player who is now getting football offers. Do you really think there is any question what he will play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you assume I'm short? I'm 6'3". I'm just questioning your knowledge of lacrosse. It's very hard to take you serious when you don't know what position the greatest lax player ever played.

My apologies oh great lax guru. You mean you wish you were 6'3". Now go polish your "elevator shoes". Gait was great, but Lyle Thompson would get my vote for best ever...

And your vote means nothing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And your vote means nothing

You're angry little lax guru... I think I struck a nerve with the "elevator shoe" comment. oh well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gary Gait played middie. Get your facts straight. The best attackmen on those syracuse teams was Zulburti. Gary and Paul were middies.

Sorry but Gait played both attack and middie. A lot of his goals came when the middies were inverted into the attack position and he used his size 6'2 to his advantage. No one is saying the smaller attackman is going to be obsolete. I love watching Wolf and Kavanagh play. Their speed and athleticism make them amazing players. Its just that bigger faster more athletic players are playing the sport more than ever before. I also don't think players are going to give up football to just play lacrosse but maybe the athlete who doesn't think they will be a pro football player will consider the opportunity to play lacrosse and get into a great school for the education. his is just my observation after being around the sport for over 35 years.

Looks like quite a few Turtles have been selected to attend the Nike Ride, only two from LI last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like quite a few Turtles have been selected to attend the Nike Ride, only two from LI last year.

Where's the list of selected players for Nike Ride?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like quite a few Turtles have been selected to attend the Nike Ride, only two from LI last year.

Where's the list of selected players for Nike Ride?

It's being released on twitter if you follow

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like quite a few Turtles have been selected to attend the Nike Ride, only two from LI last year.

You might wan to check that "only 2" at the door from the roster it seems there were 7

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like quite a few Turtles have been selected to attend the Nike Ride, only two from LI last year.

You might wan to check that "only 2" at the door from the roster it seems there were 7

How many LI boys are attending this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You called him the greatest attackman. Wrong. He was aging middie when he did air gait. He inverted. Fact.

Still something a 5'6" attack has never done nor will ever do. Fact. The game is going towards BIGGER, STRONGER, FASTER athletes. FACT. Try to dispute it all you want my vertically challenged friend, but that's the way it is.

A lot of these wealthy short unathletic dads don't want to see the writing on the wall that lacrosse like every other sport will be dominated at the top levels by bigger, stronger, faster athletes than in the past.

Extremely gifted smaller players will still have a place but there will be a very limited number of them like the small players in the NBA.

So now all of the most athletic tall kids will leave Football and Basketball to play lacrosse?? Please! No career there, and nobody even carea about lacrosse except the parents of the players. Look at the Sayville lacrosse player who is now getting football offers. Do you really think there is any question what he will play?

People have been saying that the larger athletes are going to to dominate for years. The facts are stick skills and speed are the most important element in lacrosse. Stick Skills cannot be taught overnight. Small to Mid Size players with stick skills and speed will be around forever. There are many college coaches who think the smaller attackmen have an advantage over the larger poles. The best teams will have a wide variety of sizes on their team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You called him the greatest attackman. Wrong. He was aging middie when he did air gait. He inverted. Fact.

Still something a 5'6" attack has never done nor will ever do. Fact. The game is going towards BIGGER, STRONGER, FASTER athletes. FACT. Try to dispute it all you want my vertically challenged friend, but that's the way it is.

A lot of these wealthy short unathletic dads don't want to see the writing on the wall that lacrosse like every other sport will be dominated at the top levels by bigger, stronger, faster athletes than in the past.

Extremely gifted smaller players will still have a place but there will be a very limited number of them like the small players in the NBA.

So now all of the most athletic tall kids will leave Football and Basketball to play lacrosse?? Please! No career there, and nobody even carea about lacrosse except the parents of the players. Look at the Sayville lacrosse player who is now getting football offers. Do you really think there is any question what he will play?

People have been saying that the larger athletes are going to to dominate for years. The facts are stick skills and speed are the most important element in lacrosse. Stick Skills cannot be taught overnight. Small to Mid Size players with stick skills and speed will be around forever. There are many college coaches who think the smaller attackmen have an advantage over the larger poles. The best teams will have a wide variety of sizes on their team

You hold on to that, hold on tight...

Duke has 4 players listed at 5'8"
Denver has 6 players listed at 5'7" to 5"9
UND has 6 players listed from 5"6 to 5'9" two are 5'6"
UNC has 6 players listed from 5'5" to 5'9"

My son is 6' tall so I don't have a dog in this fight. I just get sick of idiots spouting off crap that they don't have a basis for. I don't know if college rosters add a few inches like HS ones sometimes do, but even if that isn't the case height isn't a limiting factor for lax.

Maryland has 8 under 5'9"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You called him the greatest attackman. Wrong. He was aging middie when he did air gait. He inverted. Fact.

Still something a 5'6" attack has never done nor will ever do. Fact. The game is going towards BIGGER, STRONGER, FASTER athletes. FACT. Try to dispute it all you want my vertically challenged friend, but that's the way it is.

A lot of these wealthy short unathletic dads don't want to see the writing on the wall that lacrosse like every other sport will be dominated at the top levels by bigger, stronger, faster athletes than in the past.

Extremely gifted smaller players will still have a place but there will be a very limited number of them like the small players in the NBA.

So now all of the most athletic tall kids will leave Football and Basketball to play lacrosse?? Please! No career there, and nobody even carea about lacrosse except the parents of the players. Look at the Sayville lacrosse player who is now getting football offers. Do you really think there is any question what he will play?

People have been saying that the larger athletes are going to to dominate for years. The facts are stick skills and speed are the most important element in lacrosse. Stick Skills cannot be taught overnight. Small to Mid Size players with stick skills and speed will be around forever. There are many college coaches who think the smaller attackmen have an advantage over the larger poles. The best teams will have a wide variety of sizes on their team

You hold on to that, hold on tight...

Another under 5'8" kid on my son'S team was just got recruited to a top 20. Seems like the coaches are just looking for the best lacrosse players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland has 8 under 5'9"

Maryland has 36 kids 5"11 or bigger out of approximately 50 kids. The tend is moving towards the bigger kids. But just like in football there will always be smaller plays who can play a role.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke has 4 players listed at 5'8"
Denver has 6 players listed at 5'7" to 5"9
UND has 6 players listed from 5"6 to 5'9" two are 5'6"
UNC has 6 players listed from 5'5" to 5'9"

My son is 6' tall so I don't have a dog in this fight. I just get sick of idiots spouting off crap that they don't have a basis for. I don't know if college rosters add a few inches like HS ones sometimes do, but even if that isn't the case height isn't a limiting factor for lax.

Speaking of idiots... No one said you can't play the game at under 6 feet. Again, the game is heading in a direction of BIGGER, STONGER, FASTER Athletes, not my words... Coach of one the most prominent club programs in the country. Look at Jones, Perkovich and Schoonmaker... That is the trend in college lacrosse. To deny it is absurd. Good luck to your son. BTW, the UNC poster children for small attackmen got their asses handed to them by a BIGGER, STONGER, FASTER Maryland defense...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland has 8 under 5'9"

Haven't followed Maryland much all year but of these 8 how many play significant minutes? If it's 4 then yes, the small player can still be a factor, but if Maryland's roster size is 50 or close to it, and 4 play significant minutes, then statistically speaking, the rosters are filling up with the bigger player. Coaches aren't ignoring the late bloomers any more.

This is a silly back and forth. Sorry tall boy daddies jealous that your son was overlooked in favor of a shorter kid. Do you really think there is a majic height number that if not reached will boom a kids lax fate? Bottom line, if your kid can ball, he will be recruited and play regardless of up and coming so called "trends", etc. I know plenty of shorter kids that are hands down better players than taller counterparts as well as vice versa. Stop trying to create a controversy and let the best players play regardless of height. And comparing lax to football and basketball is rediculous!

I think in general, schools above Maryland, UNC, Denver, are getting bigger, faster, stronger players - especially when committing kids as early as freshman in high school. However, if 2017s who are looking to play D1 lacrosse should continue to work hard on the field, in school and in the weight room and no matter what size they are, if they are good enough to play D1 lacrosse they will be noticed.

You don't make sense: if they are recruiting bigger stronger faster players, the last thing they would do would be early recruiting. Those kids haven't matured yet.
This debate has been going on the last 30+ years I've been around the game. Some years bigger is better, then it trends towards smaller, quicker, then back to bigger stronger. Remember this is lax, a very small sport. You are not giving up football or basketball if there's a future for lax. Not happening.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a silly back and forth. Sorry tall boy daddies jealous that your son was overlooked in favor of a shorter kid. Do you really think there is a majic height number that if not reached will boom a kids lax fate? Bottom line, if your kid can ball, he will be recruited and play regardless of up and coming so called "trends", etc. I know plenty of shorter kids that are hands down better players than taller counterparts as well as vice versa. Stop trying to create a controversy and let the best players play regardless of height. And comparing lax to football and basketball is rediculous!

Myles Jones! Nuff said

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a silly back and forth. Sorry tall boy daddies jealous that your son was overlooked in favor of a shorter kid. Do you really think there is a majic height number that if not reached will boom a kids lax fate? Bottom line, if your kid can ball, he will be recruited and play regardless of up and coming so called "trends", etc. I know plenty of shorter kids that are hands down better players than taller counterparts as well as vice versa. Stop trying to create a controversy and let the best players play regardless of height. And comparing lax to football and basketball is rediculous!

Myles Jones! Nuff said

Where's he now, while Kavanaugh is playing in the semis this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a silly back and forth. Sorry tall boy daddies jealous that your son was overlooked in favor of a shorter kid. Do you really think there is a majic height number that if not reached will boom a kids lax fate? Bottom line, if your kid can ball, he will be recruited and play regardless of up and coming so called "trends", etc. I know plenty of shorter kids that are hands down better players than taller counterparts as well as vice versa. Stop trying to create a controversy and let the best players play regardless of height. And comparing lax to football and basketball is rediculous!

Myles Jones! Nuff said

Where's he now, while Kavanaugh is playing in the semis this weekend?

And he's playing thanks to Perkovich.... Who's 6'4"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a silly back and forth. Sorry tall boy daddies jealous that your son was overlooked in favor of a shorter kid. Do you really think there is a majic height number that if not reached will boom a kids lax fate? Bottom line, if your kid can ball, he will be recruited and play regardless of up and coming so called "trends", etc. I know plenty of shorter kids that are hands down better players than taller counterparts as well as vice versa. Stop trying to create a controversy and let the best players play regardless of height. And comparing lax to football and basketball is rediculous!

Myles Jones! Nuff said

Where's he now, while Kavanaugh is playing in the semis this weekend?

And he's playing thanks to Perkovich.... Who's 6'4"

Or maybe the other way around, who's a tewaaraten finalist? Jones already blew his chance!

crap my son is a 5'7 defender...hope he grows

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a silly back and forth. Sorry tall boy daddies jealous that your son was overlooked in favor of a shorter kid. Do you really think there is a majic height number that if not reached will boom a kids lax fate? Bottom line, if your kid can ball, he will be recruited and play regardless of up and coming so called "trends", etc. I know plenty of shorter kids that are hands down better players than taller counterparts as well as vice versa. Stop trying to create a controversy and let the best players play regardless of height. And comparing lax to football and basketball is rediculous!

you are right, this is silly back and forth and sorry to all you short boy daddies, there is no controversy, statistics eliminate it, rosters have 1/4 or less under 6 ft and how many of that number actually plays? Better make sure grades are up and sign nloi before coach changes mind. And don't forget your ped's.

Chaminade JV beat St. Anthonys for 3rd time this season (6th time in a row). The 2017s are undefeated for the second straight season. Not sure if it is true but someone said they are 31-0 in 2 years - first time ever at Chaminade...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a silly back and forth. Sorry tall boy daddies jealous that your son was overlooked in favor of a shorter kid. Do you really think there is a majic height number that if not reached will boom a kids lax fate? Bottom line, if your kid can ball, he will be recruited and play regardless of up and coming so called "trends", etc. I know plenty of shorter kids that are hands down better players than taller counterparts as well as vice versa. Stop trying to create a controversy and let the best players play regardless of height. And comparing lax to football and basketball is rediculous!

Myles Jones! Nuff said

Where's he now, while Kavanaugh is playing in the semis this weekend?

And he's playing thanks to Perkovich.... Who's 6'4"

Or maybe the other way around, who's a tewaaraten finalist? Jones already blew his chance!

Kavanaugh is a great player. He definitely benefited from the doubles opposing teams put on the big middie. However, when comparing him to the 6 foot Thompson, it's no contest. There can be no justification for him not winning. By the way, Jones highest points for a midfielder. I guess his size, strength, speed and athleticism had no bearing on his performance. If he was only 5'9", then he would have really excelled...

Its true 31-0. Great game yesterday. Back in Forth 10-7 Flyers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

crap my son is a 5'7 defender...hope he grows

Exactly!

Anyone here about ND prospect camp?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone here about ND prospect camp?

Go to it if your interested in the school.

I'm guessing ND has all the 2017 class. But it's a nice trip.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm guessing ND has all the 2017 class. But it's a nice trip.

According to lax power, ND recruited or committed 14 in this year's graduating class, 14 in 2014, 13 in 2013, 12 in 2013, and 10 in 2011. They presently have 9 commitments listed for 2017s.

For all you shortie doubters. Tune into msg varsity Pequa Syosset county championship.
One word=Conncannon

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For all you shortie doubters. Tune into msg varsity Pequa Syosset county championship.
One word=Conncannon

How about Wes Berg?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm guessing ND has all the 2017 class. But it's a nice trip.

According to lax power, ND recruited or committed 14 in this year's graduating class, 14 in 2014, 13 in 2013, 12 in 2013, and 10 in 2011. They presently have 9 commitments listed for 2017s.

If that is where your son wants to play and he has the grades and talent don't let the early recruits make you think there isn't a chance. Some of the kids who are recruited as freshman will undoubtedly not gain admission due to a change of heart, injury, or inability to get the minimum GPA and scores.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm guessing ND has all the 2017 class. But it's a nice trip.

According to lax power, ND recruited or committed 14 in this year's graduating class, 14 in 2014, 13 in 2013, 12 in 2013, and 10 in 2011. They presently have 9 commitments listed for 2017s.

If that is where your son wants to play and he has the grades and talent don't let the early recruits make you think there isn't a chance. Some of the kids who are recruited as freshman will undoubtedly not gain admission due to a change of heart, injury, or inability to get the minimum GPA and scores.

Notre Dame is actively recruited kids who committed early to other schools. I think they have a couple spots open still.

I am not a big fan of the coach, although YMMV.

They might have 5 slots open on paper but I'm sure the other 5 are close.

Interesting how US Lacrosse has "selection committee" for the U-19 tryouts, but here like every other U.S. National team they come back with a severe bias toward the recruits to the programs the coaching staff come from. Are the best teens in the country concentrated at Penn, Penn State or Ohio State recruits? Many great players selected, but even more were ignored by the lax bro old guard. At pretty much every position on the field there are 2015 through 2017 players I can think of who were just robbed. Frankly at two of the most important positions some of the picks were just baffling knowing who else applied...at FOGO and keeper. I'd also like to see a lot less open parenthesis college closed parentheses attached to each kid as a credential. Pretty much every decent 2017 kid is committed somewhere or could be to a D1 low tier program if they wanted to be. Is a NJIT, Wagner or a Siena verbal commit something exciting that I am not in on yet? Yes, my son didn't get a tryout invite and we are pretty incited about it, but then comes the self reminder that this is US Lacrosse. I kept a copy of the application just for laughs...fill in your college commit here. But remember this is not a part of the selection criteria. Oh sure. That had nothing to do with all the Baltimore old guard kids or OSU or PSU or Penn State recruits who are suddenly the best players. Let me know the last time Those three colleges did much on the field. Do ACC teams cringe before facing one of those three?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting how US Lacrosse has "selection committee" for the U-19 tryouts, but here like every other U.S. National team they come back with a severe bias toward the recruits to the programs the coaching staff come from. Are the best teens in the country concentrated at Penn, Penn State or Ohio State recruits? Many great players selected, but even more were ignored by the lax bro old guard. At pretty much every position on the field there are 2015 through 2017 players I can think of who were just robbed. Frankly at two of the most important positions some of the picks were just baffling knowing who else applied...at FOGO and keeper. I'd also like to see a lot less open parenthesis college closed parentheses attached to each kid as a credential. Pretty much every decent 2017 kid is committed somewhere or could be to a D1 low tier program if they wanted to be. Is a NJIT, Wagner or a Siena verbal commit something exciting that I am not in on yet? Yes, my son didn't get a tryout invite and we are pretty incited about it, but then comes the self reminder that this is US Lacrosse. I kept a copy of the application just for laughs...fill in your college commit here. But remember this is not a part of the selection criteria. Oh sure. That had nothing to do with all the Baltimore old guard kids or OSU or PSU or Penn State recruits who are suddenly the best players. Let me know the last time Those three colleges did much on the field. Do ACC teams cringe before facing one of those three?

sorry your kid want chosen, but that list is stacked with top players. Not saying there are not other top players that could be on that list, but they can't pick all of them. As for being disgruntled about the PSU and OS kids, if you do a little research, you will see those boys are highly ranked Stat leaders that earned those spots without question! If you didn't like this process, wait till next week at UA tryouts. Always interesting!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For all you shortie doubters. Tune into msg varsity Pequa Syosset county championship.
One word=Conncannon

How about Wes Berg?

He's 6'1'' 195, if only he was 5'8", then he'd really be good.

sorry your kid want chosen, but that list is stacked with top players. Not saying there are not other top players that could be on that list, but they can't pick all of them. As for being disgruntled about the PSU and OS kids, if you do a little research, you will see those boys are highly ranked Stat leaders that earned those spots without question! If you didn't like this process, wait till next week at UA tryouts. Always interesting! [/quote]

Dude, you're off the res with that comment. 25 commits from OSU Penn and PSU. A quarter of the top U.S. talent is committed to those three schools? Easier to sell aluminum siding. This looks more to me like the coaches using this to raise the profile of their program recruiting wise, and gives them the opportunity to coach some of their 2015s before fall and some underclass commits too. Yes, there are some excellent players on the list and I noted that. All of that taken name me 8 better FOGOs than the 2017 Turtle kid or 8 goalies better than the top couple 2017 ones. This seems to always creep in. One UVa alum told me last year when Steele Stanwick didn't make the world team, that had everything to do with Petro/Tabmroni wanting to have their guys or their friends guys over their rival's guy. Also stats for HS season in some leagues means less than nothing Stevie Wonder could have saved 60% in the league my son scored over 70 goals in this spring. Let's face it, U.S. Lacrosse is like FIFA on EBT benefits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

sorry your kid want chosen, but that list is stacked with top players. Not saying there are not other top players that could be on that list, but they can't pick all of them. As for being disgruntled about the PSU and OS kids, if you do a little research, you will see those boys are highly ranked Stat leaders that earned those spots without question! If you didn't like this process, wait till next week at UA tryouts. Always interesting!

Dude, you're off the res with that comment. 25 commits from OSU Penn and PSU. A quarter of the top U.S. talent is committed to those three schools? Easier to sell aluminum siding. This looks more to me like the coaches using this to raise the profile of their program recruiting wise, and gives them the opportunity to coach some of their 2015s before fall and some underclass commits too. Yes, there are some excellent players on the list and I noted that. All of that taken name me 8 better FOGOs than the 2017 Turtle kid or 8 goalies better than the top couple 2017 ones. This seems to always creep in. One UVa alum told me last year when Steele Stanwick didn't make the world team, that had everything to do with Petro/Tabmroni wanting to have their guys or their friends guys over their rival's guy. Also stats for HS season in some leagues means less than nothing Stevie Wonder could have saved 60% in the league my son scored over 70 goals in this spring. Let's face it, U.S. Lacrosse is like FIFA on EBT benefits. [/quote]
US Lacrosse is very political. Lots of good players didn't get invited. I thought the 2017 kids they picked were good but they all had some kind of inside the industry connection . All I know is my kid played on a strong team and had a great year, including one week when he scored 14 goals on highly rated teams, committed to a top school and still didn't get the invite. All we really wanted was the chance to compete.

When is the cut off for the Nike Ride. Nike pick ups all expenses??

Who are the coaches for LI Express 2017 Team 1 and Team 2? Thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches for LI Express 2017 Team 1 and Team 2? Thanks!

Team 2 is Jack Moran the Head coach of Chaminade HS.

i would like the coaches names for express too. my son is a under the radar flat out stud and I want him to join the best club team out there. express A would be a good fit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches for LI Express 2017 Team 1 and Team 2? Thanks!

Team 2 is Jack Moran the Head coach of Chaminade HS.

Don't be fooled - oldest trick in the books. Moran is in name only and will never show - he's only the headliner until the checks are cashed for the B team. Good luck finding him on the beach when the tournaments start.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches for LI Express 2017 Team 1 and Team 2? Thanks!

Team 2 is Jack Moran the Head coach of Chaminade HS.

Don't be fooled - oldest trick in the books. Moran is in name only and will never show - he's only the headliner until the checks are cashed for the B team. Good luck finding him on the beach when the tournaments start.

How can someone make a statement like this with no facts... Jack has been the coach of this team for 2 seasons and could not be more involved. He runs multiple practices every week and coaches these kids as if they were his own. He is also involved in the recruitment process for the team. I don't think you will find one person complaining on this team. That cant be said for most teams!

Jack is at every practice and every game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches for LI Express 2017 Team 1 and Team 2? Thanks!

Team 2 is Jack Moran the Head coach of Chaminade HS.

Don't be fooled - oldest trick in the books. Moran is in name only and will never show - he's only the headliner until the checks are cashed for the B team. Good luck finding him on the beach when the tournaments start.

Jack is at every single practice and game. He is the coach of the team and is a great guy too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i would like the coaches names for express too. my son is a under the radar flat out stud and I want him to join the best club team out there. express A would be a good fit.

I hope this is a parody post.

It's the same Express haters that says Channy will never show up to coach any of his teams and he's at every practice and every game. Haters just like to make things up and they think bc they write it on BOTC that it makes it true..

Anyone go to Under Armour last night? How was it?

Turtles lost
today at Adrenalin, wow!

Tw

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtles lost
today at Adrenalin, wow!

twice

The talent has caught up to them

Turtles aren't on the schedule so how did they lose twice?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtles aren't on the schedule so how did they lose twice?

They are, and they did, Express 2017

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtles aren't on the schedule so how did they lose twice?

They are, and they did, Express 2017

Leading Edge 2017 wins Adranline Cup. Beats Team 91 in final by 2. Went 5-1 on the weekend with only loss to Team 91 in regular bracket play. Beat West Coast Starz twice, Dukes 2017, Mesa Fresh and Team 91 in final.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtles aren't on the schedule so how did they lose twice?

They are, and they did, Express 2017

Leading Edge 2017 wins Adranline Cup. Beats Team 91 in final by 2. Went 5-1 on the weekend with only loss to Team 91 in regular bracket play. Beat West Coast Starz twice, Dukes 2017, Mesa Fresh and Team 91 in final.

91 had a hard time following up their win against the crabs who soundly beat the turtles .
91 had edged leading edge 8-3 the day before and was up 10-5 on crabs until the crabs made a late comeback run with final 10-9

Final was a good game but with 4 middy's unavailable, the tanks ran dry earlier than expected.

Edge was strong to the finish.

Crab City Challenge in Bel Air MD was a weather disaster on saturday. Sunday playoff games moved to Gilman School turf. Much better venue. 2017 semis were Turtles vs VLC, Prime Time vs Crabs. Great games, great sportsmanship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crab City Challenge in Bel Air MD was a weather disaster on saturday. Sunday playoff games moved to Gilman School turf. Much better venue. 2017 semis were Turtles vs VLC, Prime Time vs Crabs. Great games, great sportsmanship.

Who was in the final and who won?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crab City Challenge in Bel Air MD was a weather disaster on saturday. Sunday playoff games moved to Gilman School turf. Much better venue. 2017 semis were Turtles vs VLC, Prime Time vs Crabs. Great games, great sportsmanship.

Who was in the final and who won?

Final was Turtles vs Crabs. Do not know who won.

anyone at Top 205?? Not many D1 coaches

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crab City Challenge in Bel Air MD was a weather disaster on saturday. Sunday playoff games moved to Gilman School turf. Much better venue. 2017 semis were Turtles vs VLC, Prime Time vs Crabs. Great games, great sportsmanship.

Who was in the final and who won?

Final was Turtles vs Crabs. Do not know who won.

Turtles lost again to Crabs 5-3

Crabs had a tough game vs True Blue. Beat them 6-4. Game shortened because of rain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs had a tough game vs True Blue. Beat them 6-4. Game shortened because of rain.

legit crabs or holdback crabs?

there are NO legit grade/age Crab teams. Everyone knows that. Holdbacks are used throughout the organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs had a tough game vs True Blue. Beat them 6-4. Game shortened because of rain.

legit crabs or holdback crabs?

Almost every team has holdbacks. Madlax actually has more holdbacks in their clubs than the Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there are NO legit grade/age Crab teams. Everyone knows that. Holdbacks are used throughout the organization.

Holdbacks are a conversation for middle school and younger. By HS all bets are off and you need to be able to compete with older kids. Most of these boys play varsity so the should be used to it. Sounds like excuses to me!

I have not seen the Turtles since last year. I don't think that team lost a single game in years until this summer. They had a long list of d1 commits and were by far the best team I saw in the 2017.

Just me asking, are some Turtle kids just not playing club anymore? Have a few of them flipped to other clubs or are they doing events with their high schools instead this summer? Or are the Turtles a cautionary tale of early recruiting...the very best u13 and u15 teams we ever saw, but other teams and players just caught up to and passed? Quite honestly I couldn't even have imagined this team ever losing a game after seeing them as 8th graders. Don't ask to be rude...but the bottom line is the 2017 Crabs on their best day is a good team and not a great team. Not even close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have not seen the Turtles since last year. I don't think that team lost a single game in years until this summer. They had a long list of d1 commits and were by far the best team I saw in the 2017.

Just me asking, are some Turtle kids just not playing club anymore? Have a few of them flipped to other clubs or are they doing events with their high schools instead this summer? Or are the Turtles a cautionary tale of early recruiting...the very best u13 and u15 teams we ever saw, but other teams and players just caught up to and passed? Quite honestly I couldn't even have imagined this team ever losing a game after seeing them as 8th graders. Don't ask to be rude...but the bottom line is the 2017 Crabs on their best day is a good team and not a great team. Not even close.

Same team, still exceptional. Others have caught up. They are not getting blown out, just more typical of what to expect at college games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have not seen the Turtles since last year. I don't think that team lost a single game in years until this summer. They had a long list of d1 commits and were by far the best team I saw in the 2017.

Just me asking, are some Turtle kids just not playing club anymore? Have a few of them flipped to other clubs or are they doing events with their high schools instead this summer? Or are the Turtles a cautionary tale of early recruiting...the very best u13 and u15 teams we ever saw, but other teams and players just caught up to and passed? Quite honestly I couldn't even have imagined this team ever losing a game after seeing them as 8th graders. Don't ask to be rude...but the bottom line is the 2017 Crabs on their best day is a good team and not a great team. Not even close.

Same team, still exceptional. Others have caught up. They are not getting blown out, just more typical of what to expect at college games.

They are age legit, probably playing teams now with many 1 to 2 year hold backs and PG's. A two year age difference helps a lot. Rising Jrs playing what amounts to rising College freshman.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have not seen the Turtles since last year. I don't think that team lost a single game in years until this summer. They had a long list of d1 commits and were by far the best team I saw in the 2017.

Just me asking, are some Turtle kids just not playing club anymore? Have a few of them flipped to other clubs or are they doing events with their high schools instead this summer? Or are the Turtles a cautionary tale of early recruiting...the very best u13 and u15 teams we ever saw, but other teams and players just caught up to and passed? Quite honestly I couldn't even have imagined this team ever losing a game after seeing them as 8th graders. Don't ask to be rude...but the bottom line is the 2017 Crabs on their best day is a good team and not a great team. Not even close.

Same team, still exceptional. Others have caught up. They are not getting blown out, just more typical of what to expect at college games.

They are age legit, probably playing teams now with many 1 to 2 year hold backs and PG's. A two year age difference helps a lot. Rising Jrs playing what amounts to rising College freshman.

Get over yourself. You're saying that the Turtles are all Rising Juniors playing teams of all Rising College freshmen?

Please. They are not as dominant because more and more kids are in the mix, and some kids plateau while others get better. The Turtles are still excellent, but it's very hard for any team to be dominant every year.

And regarding the 2017 Crabs, that is not just a good team. They have great talent. All four teams in that Crab City final four are excellent teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have not seen the Turtles since last year. I don't think that team lost a single game in years until this summer. They had a long list of d1 commits and were by far the best team I saw in the 2017.

Just me asking, are some Turtle kids just not playing club anymore? Have a few of them flipped to other clubs or are they doing events with their high schools instead this summer? Or are the Turtles a cautionary tale of early recruiting...the very best u13 and u15 teams we ever saw, but other teams and players just caught up to and passed? Quite honestly I couldn't even have imagined this team ever losing a game after seeing them as 8th graders. Don't ask to be rude...but the bottom line is the 2017 Crabs on their best day is a good team and not a great team. Not even close.

Same team, still exceptional. Others have caught up. They are not getting blown out, just more typical of what to expect at college games.

They are age legit, probably playing teams now with many 1 to 2 year hold backs and PG's. A two year age difference helps a lot. Rising Jrs playing what amounts to rising College freshman.

Please! These are Juniors now. The holdback argument is mute now. Stop making excuses and admit others have caught up. Plenty of kids in 2017 legitimate can and do compete with hold backs. A team like turtles should not use this as an excuse. Nobody said you are not still good, it's just that the field has evened out. This is good for lacrosse.

Thanks for the replies. Again I have not seen Turtles in a year, but that they are now not winning lopsided games and are now in a group of 2017 teams that they are trading wins and losses only means the gap closed on what was an unreal U-15 team talent and skill wise. It isn't like other clubs have consolidated power into a few super teams. The Crabs 2017s are not a great team. Team 91 2017s was never a great team like current Team 91 youth teams. Sweetlax and Edge 2017s weren't great teams either. The Turtles were far and away the best 2017 team and were the only truly great team that also never lost a game and played few competitive ones.

I think this screams early recruiting is dumb. These kids are only half way through high school and already we are seeing dramatic differentials in the progression of their development. The then earliest verbal in history to UNC in this class is a player I can't even remember a name. I'd say about half the nifty earlies in the DMV have worked out only ok to be kind, while other kids have bloomed and passed them by. Paul IV is a DC area prep school "loaded with D1 talent" using verbals as an indicator and they stink. Haven't beaten a top prep team yet and they are about where a decent Virginia public school team is, only they won't schedule publics likely for fear of losing. Oh, and they lost their two legit D1 kids to graduation, so likely better schedule different next year. In a few years the colleges who leaned on early recruiting will sound a lot like PVI coming to town. We're loaded with IL ranked former 9th graders! How's that going to look for the UNCs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks for the replies. Again I have not seen Turtles in a year, but that they are now not winning lopsided games and are now in a group of 2017 teams that they are trading wins and losses only means the gap closed on what was an unreal U-15 team talent and skill wise. It isn't like other clubs have consolidated power into a few super teams. The Crabs 2017s are not a great team. Team 91 2017s was never a great team like current Team 91 youth teams. Sweetlax and Edge 2017s weren't great teams either. The Turtles were far and away the best 2017 team and were the only truly great team that also never lost a game and played few competitive ones.

I think this screams early recruiting is dumb. These kids are only half way through high school and already we are seeing dramatic differentials in the progression of their development. The then earliest verbal in history to UNC in this class is a player I can't even remember a name. I'd say about half the nifty earlies in the DMV have worked out only ok to be kind, while other kids have bloomed and passed them by. Paul IV is a DC area prep school "loaded with D1 talent" using verbals as an indicator and they stink. Haven't beaten a top prep team yet and they are about where a decent Virginia public school team is, only they won't schedule publics likely for fear of losing. Oh, and they lost their two legit D1 kids to graduation, so likely better schedule different next year. In a few years the colleges who leaned on early recruiting will sound a lot like PVI coming to town. We're loaded with IL ranked former 9th graders! How's that going to look for the UNCs?

Hyperbole much? Crabs 2017 is one of the best teams in that grade. And while many people would agree that PVI is an underachieving team, equating them to a "decent public school team" shows your bias and ignorance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks for the replies. Again I have not seen Turtles in a year, but that they are now not winning lopsided games and are now in a group of 2017 teams that they are trading wins and losses only means the gap closed on what was an unreal U-15 team talent and skill wise. It isn't like other clubs have consolidated power into a few super teams. The Crabs 2017s are not a great team. Team 91 2017s was never a great team like current Team 91 youth teams. Sweetlax and Edge 2017s weren't great teams either. The Turtles were far and away the best 2017 team and were the only truly great team that also never lost a game and played few competitive ones.

I think this screams early recruiting is dumb. These kids are only half way through high school and already we are seeing dramatic differentials in the progression of their development. The then earliest verbal in history to UNC in this class is a player I can't even remember a name. I'd say about half the nifty earlies in the DMV have worked out only ok to be kind, while other kids have bloomed and passed them by. Paul IV is a DC area prep school "loaded with D1 talent" using verbals as an indicator and they stink. Haven't beaten a top prep team yet and they are about where a decent Virginia public school team is, only they won't schedule publics likely for fear of losing. Oh, and they lost their two legit D1 kids to graduation, so likely better schedule different next year. In a few years the colleges who leaned on early recruiting will sound a lot like PVI coming to town. We're loaded with IL ranked former 9th graders! How's that going to look for the UNCs?

I have not seen any evidence that the early recruits in the class of 2017 are not performing. In fact it is the exact the opposite. Every kid that I am aware of that was a very early recruit has done extremely well. Just do an internet search and you will see plenty of sophomore kids who played major roles on their high school teams this year. UNC, Virginia and Hopkins are going to be just fine with the kids they recruited. Ivys have even gotten into the act with Penn at the forefront with some really good kids.

By the way please don't rip on individual kids. Do the research before you make a blanket statement.

While I think time closes the gap, could it also be that the more dominant teams aren't at the top because others have added many if not most of their players as holdbacks and this, they are just physically more powerful? I'm not saying at this age this makes much of a difference because they are all varsity level, but I would think there is still a slight advantage if your team is 16 and you are playing 18 yr old teams. Nonetheless, I don't think team wins mean as much at this age, as the earlier poster pointed out, it's more about how each individual is progressing that makes the colleges happy or unhappy with their early recruit. I think the bottom line here is that half the early recruits will stay dominant and half will be average after all is said and done and this will determine who rides the bench and who sees the field. Unfortunately, I think 50 percent is enough to keep the coaches recruiting early.

There is a reason why kids Red Shirt, because coaches know
One year makes a big difference with power and speed . I have an 18 year old
And a 16 year old, believe me there is a big difference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have not seen the Turtles since last year. I don't think that team lost a single game in years until this summer. They had a long list of d1 commits and were by far the best team I saw in the 2017.

Just me asking, are some Turtle kids just not playing club anymore? Have a few of them flipped to other clubs or are they doing events with their high schools instead this summer? Or are the Turtles a cautionary tale of early recruiting...the very best u13 and u15 teams we ever saw, but other teams and players just caught up to and passed? Quite honestly I couldn't even have imagined this team ever losing a game after seeing them as 8th graders. Don't ask to be rude...but the bottom line is the 2017 Crabs on their best day is a good team and not a great team. Not even close.

Same team, still exceptional. Others have caught up. They are not getting blown out, just more typical of what to expect at college games.

They are age legit, probably playing teams now with many 1 to 2 year hold backs and PG's. A two year age difference helps a lot. Rising Jrs playing what amounts to rising College freshman.

Please! These are Juniors now. The holdback argument is mute now. Stop making excuses and admit others have caught up. Plenty of kids in 2017 legitimate can and do compete with hold backs. A team like turtles should not use this as an excuse. Nobody said you are not still good, it's just that the field has evened out. This is good for lacrosse.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Evened out... That's so funny. I guess loading a 2017 team with 2016's and 2015's that couldn't earn a scholarship in their proper age grade is the new definition of "evening out". How is "this" good for lacrosse? Losers. "my son will be 24 or 25 when he gets out of college" HAHAHHA for lacrosse. Imagine?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a reason why kids Red Shirt, because coaches know
One year makes a big difference with power and speed . I have an 18 year old
And a 16 year old, believe me there is a big difference.

I get that. Why don't college lacrosse coaches have the sensibility to tell recruits to do a red shirt year their first year? If you break downwards the scholarship money from 4 years to same amount over 5 years you're not going to lose recruits. $40K total 4-5 scholarship money at a school costing more than that each year isn't going to shake out any lacrosse recruits. Why all this reclassify or verbally commit to PG year crap? Coaches should want the best recruits getting better on their field at the speed and intensity of college level, in their weight training program, etc rather than hiding at some prep school for an extra year lighting it up against younger kids. Lacrosse has become the ultimate sissy boy sport.

Some Leagues,Do Not Allow red shirting...for example,Patriot League....

The Turtles have been surpassed now by Crabs 2017, who has beaten them twice this summer.

91 beat the crabs and adrenaline. No holdbacks on that team either

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Turtles have been surpassed now by Crabs 2017, who has beaten them twice this summer.

I have no doubt half that Turtle team now plays for Chaminade and ST Anthonys or power house public HS. Once you get toa certain age club ball is done for many

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Turtles have been surpassed now by Crabs 2017, who has beaten them twice this summer.

I have no doubt half that Turtle team now plays for Chaminade and ST Anthonys or power house public HS. Once you get toa certain age club ball is done for many

Wrong! They are still the same team with the same key players. They are still a great team. Point is there are other teams just as good or better. As the kids get older this is how it works.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 beat the crabs and adrenaline. No holdbacks on that team either

Fluke. Look at how 91 did in subsequent tournaments. Lost to an ok Mesa team, and didn't qualify for the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Turtles have been surpassed now by Crabs 2017, who has beaten them twice this summer.

I have no doubt half that Turtle team now plays for Chaminade and ST Anthonys or power house public HS. Once you get toa certain age club ball is done for many

Wrong! They are still the same team with the same key players. They are still a great team. Point is there are other teams just as good or better. As the kids get older this is how it works.

Of course that's the way it works, these other teams now have 2015's and 2016's playing as 2017's... I know, it doesn't matter right? Makes no difference... They're in HS now... Ya know because only teams from PA, MD and Mass get "better". No they don't get better they get older... Same ole story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Turtles have been surpassed now by Crabs 2017, who has beaten them twice this summer.

I have no doubt half that Turtle team now plays for Chaminade and ST Anthonys or power house public HS. Once you get toa certain age club ball is done for many

Wrong! They are still the same team with the same key players. They are still a great team. Point is there are other teams just as good or better. As the kids get older this is how it works.

Of course that's the way it works, these other teams now have 2015's and 2016's playing as 2017's... I know, it doesn't matter right? Makes no difference... They're in HS now... Ya know because only teams from PA, MD and Mass get "better". No they don't get better they get older... Same ole story.

They are big boys now, will be going to college soon. The best players start as freshman, both in HS and college. If you are unable to do so at this point, and are only able to look good against your own age group, you have a rude awakening ahead of you! The "older kids" argument is only appropriate for middle school. Again, other kids caught up and are just as, if not more skilled than the Turtles boys.

So tell me the # 1 pick for the knicks is he ready? you know nothing about sports.16 to 18 his a big difference, some of those kids should be in college already, My kid going into Junior year has two pieces of hair under his arms.

Turtle kids are almost 2 and a half years from playing their first college game. then the age will not make a difference, and your holdback will be faking an injury to gain another year because he sucks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtle kids are almost 2 and a half years from playing their first college game. then the age will not make a difference, and your holdback will be faking an injury to gain another year because he sucks.

Keep telling yourself that. The age difference dissappears in HS, by Jr year if you can't be competitive, your in trouble. Did you forget that Turtles have holdbacks? Stop whining, Turtles lost there dominance. You can blame it on anything you want, those are the facts!

Clearly u have a 19 year old senior

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly u have a 19 year old senior

Actually I have a 16 year old senior who has been playing varsity age kids since 9th. We welcomed the challenge and it helped him develope into the great player he is. No complaints, just play the game. Think the Turtles are great but you didn't really think other kids wouldn't catch up? None of our kids are that special, and having a #1 on your back just inspires others that much more to try to take you down. Be happy you are still a top team, enjoy your accomplishments, and be humble and when you do lose don't look for excuses, it cheapens the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly u have a 19 year old senior

Actually I have a 16 year old senior who has been playing varsity age kids since 9th. We welcomed the challenge and it helped him develope into the great player he is. No complaints, just play the game. Think the Turtles are great but you didn't really think other kids wouldn't catch up? None of our kids are that special, and having a #1 on your back just inspires others that much more to try to take you down. Be happy you are still a top team, enjoy your accomplishments, and be humble and when you do lose don't look for excuses, it cheapens the team.

You CHOSE to have your kid play against older kids. He is certainly an outstanding athlete and was capable of playing up. No one has a problem with this. The complaints are that kids are being forced to play against older kids due to this absurd system that has them grouped by grad year and not date of birth.

What is often lost is that it need not be all about college recruitment. Most will not play in college. But they all play because they love it and are having fun competing and being with, and making, friends. Club lacrosse is a great activity for a young man, from 8 years old all the way up to 18. It occupies their time productively, teaches them a lot of valuable life lessons, and keeps them busy.

Club lacrosse would grow (more $$$ for owners of clubs/tournaments) if they went to a strict age structure. More kids, more teams, more $$$. And it will not hurt the kids chasing the college spots. There will still be big time teams, AA brackets, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtle kids are almost 2 and a half years from playing their first college game. then the age will not make a difference, and your holdback will be faking an injury to gain another year because he sucks.

Keep telling yourself that. The age difference dissappears in HS, by Jr year if you can't be competitive, your in trouble. Did you forget that Turtles have holdbacks? Stop whining, Turtles lost there dominance. You can blame it on anything you want, those are the facts!

No blame, just face the facts. You have a team full of kids that should be rising college freshman and HS seniors. Look it doesn't matter, everyone know its the only way MD, PA and Mass teams can compete. It's what you have to do to be competitive with LI's best. Look, you wouldn't do it if you didn't have to. You might be fooling yourself, but I assure you, you're not fooling anyone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly u have a 19 year old senior

Actually I have a 16 year old senior who has been playing varsity age kids since 9th. We welcomed the challenge and it helped him develope into the great player he is. No complaints, just play the game. Think the Turtles are great but you didn't really think other kids wouldn't catch up? None of our kids are that special, and having a #1 on your back just inspires others that much more to try to take you down. Be happy you are still a top team, enjoy your accomplishments, and be humble and when you do lose don't look for excuses, it cheapens the team.

You CHOSE to have your kid play against older kids. He is certainly an outstanding athlete and was capable of playing up. No one has a problem with this. The complaints are that kids are being forced to play against older kids due to this absurd system that has them grouped by grad year and not date of birth.

What is often lost is that it need not be all about college recruitment. Most will not play in college. But they all play because they love it and are having fun competing and being with, and making, friends. Club lacrosse is a great activity for a young man, from 8 years old all the way up to 18. It occupies their time productively, teaches them a lot of valuable life lessons, and keeps them busy.

Club lacrosse would grow (more $$$ for owners of clubs/tournaments) if they went to a strict age structure. More kids, more teams, more $$$. And it will not hurt the kids chasing the college spots. There will still be big time teams, AA brackets, etc.

I do agree with you for the most part. I have not always been happy that my son was forced to play against older beasts in some cases. It seems that this is how lacrosse works. Unfortunately there are no enforced age brackets for the most part. I also realize that not all kids play in college. But we not talking about average lacrosse players here. We are talking about the Turtles, many of whom have been doing just fine on their varsity teams. I still believe that at this stage (11th grade), age should no longer be major factor in their performance in the club circuit. If a team has a few holbacks it should not really matter. The sport has grown and there are a lot more great players out there than there were 3 years ago. It just plain got harder to stay on top!

Other teams are as good or better than the Turtles. Ok, I allow that there is a grade repeating pandemic in Maryland because I am from Maryland and see it everywhere. I don't like it either. But when the 2017 kids be they Turtles or not aren't going to be getting any "help" by getting all those kids 1-2 years older them them off their field. I think the reclassify game is disgraceful at the middle school and elementary levels. Sometimes people hold their kid back for non-lacrosse reasons and those people and their kids I feel bad for being vilified with the group that do it just for early recruiting advantages.

But in high school the jig is up. From here on you have to compete up and that means older more mature kids on your field. I see it starting to happen with 2017s in Maryland. Put them on the field with 2015s and they suddenly shudder and shrink. When players were good a generation ago they played up and were proud to point to that. If the Turtles kids are struggling to "play up" because of all the reclass nonsense congesting a bunch of 18 and 19 year olds against kids like my 16 year old on-age rising junior seems to hard, then those 16 year olds who can't handle it are in really bad shape to compete in college programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Other teams are as good or better than the Turtles. Ok, I allow that there is a grade repeating pandemic in Maryland because I am from Maryland and see it everywhere. I don't like it either. But when the 2017 kids be they Turtles or not aren't going to be getting any "help" by getting all those kids 1-2 years older them them off their field. I think the reclassify game is disgraceful at the middle school and elementary levels. Sometimes people hold their kid back for non-lacrosse reasons and those people and their kids I feel bad for being vilified with the group that do it just for early recruiting advantages.

But in high school the jig is up. From here on you have to compete up and that means older more mature kids on your field. I see it starting to happen with 2017s in Maryland. Put them on the field with 2015s and they suddenly shudder and shrink. When players were good a generation ago they played up and were proud to point to that. If the Turtles kids are struggling to "play up" because of all the reclass nonsense congesting a bunch of 18 and 19 year olds against kids like my 16 year old on-age rising junior seems to hard, then those 16 year olds who can't handle it are in really bad shape to compete in college programs.

Great points, but here's the problem with your theory. the difference in physical maturity between a 16 year old in middle school playing against 14 year olds is the worst point for the re-class thing. However, it still very much an issue for 16 year olds playing against 18 and 19 year olds. For superior players, less of an issue. Although, one cannot dispute that even the highest caliber 16 year old will be somewhat limited in what he can do against a talented 18 year old. It's just a mis-match. I do agree that the age thing fades over time, however I think it fades when kids are about 19. I can only go by my own on age college freshman. Starting the season as a HS senior he was 6'1" 172, very fast. Starting the freshman College season same height 188, much thicker, and even faster. it's called physical maturity. Or as we use to say, they filled out... There's no denying it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtle kids are almost 2 and a half years from playing their first college game. then the age will not make a difference, and your holdback will be faking an injury to gain another year because he sucks.

Keep telling yourself that. The age difference dissappears in HS, by Jr year if you can't be competitive, your in trouble. Did you forget that Turtles have holdbacks? Stop whining, Turtles lost there dominance. You can blame it on anything you want, those are the facts!

If the age difference disappears, why are the holdbacks that are so good not playing up and still playing down? Makes no sense. The argument goes both ways. The holdbacks aren't any better and aren't ready for college if they are still playing against younger kids. Ridiculous statement. Check your kid and see how he does against his own peers and those two years older- than tell me HS age is still a non factor. Your holdback will be in for a shock when HE gets put in a pool of kids 2-4 yrs older. The non holdbacks have been doing that for years! Best rise to the top, the weak play younger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course that's the way it works, these other teams now have 2015's and 2016's playing as 2017's... I know, it doesn't matter right? Makes no difference... They're in HS now... Ya know because only teams from PA, MD and Mass get "better". No they don't get better they get older... Same ole story.

Please cite any team with a kid previously in the Class of 2015 who is now playing on a Class of 2017 team.

Any team. I'm interested to see you cite some facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course that's the way it works, these other teams now have 2015's and 2016's playing as 2017's... I know, it doesn't matter right? Makes no difference... They're in HS now... Ya know because only teams from PA, MD and Mass get "better". No they don't get better they get older... Same ole story.

Please cite any team with a kid previously in the Class of 2015 who is now playing on a Class of 2017 team.

Any team. I'm interested to see you cite some facts.

Not going to single out kids because of their parents decisions, clearly the kid didn't re-class himself two times. Stop with nonsense, you know who they are, everyone does. By the way, there are also many kids who should be 2016's who've found their way on to 2018 teams as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course that's the way it works, these other teams now have 2015's and 2016's playing as 2017's... I know, it doesn't matter right? Makes no difference... They're in HS now... Ya know because only teams from PA, MD and Mass get "better". No they don't get better they get older... Same ole story.

Please cite any team with a kid previously in the Class of 2015 who is now playing on a Class of 2017 team.

Any team. I'm interested to see you cite some facts.

Not going to single out kids because of their parents decisions, clearly the kid didn't re-class himself two times. Stop with nonsense, you know who they are, everyone does. By the way, there are also many kids who should be 2016's who've found their way on to 2018 teams as well.

As well as on to 2017 teams such as the one being discussed!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course that's the way it works, these other teams now have 2015's and 2016's playing as 2017's... I know, it doesn't matter right? Makes no difference... They're in HS now... Ya know because only teams from PA, MD and Mass get "better". No they don't get better they get older... Same ole story.

Please cite any team with a kid previously in the Class of 2015 who is now playing on a Class of 2017 team.

Any team. I'm interested to see you cite some facts.

Not going to single out kids because of their parents decisions, clearly the kid didn't re-class himself two times. Stop with nonsense, you know who they are, everyone does. By the way, there are also many kids who should be 2016's who've found their way on to 2018 teams as well.

Ok, we've established that you are a liar.

Keep tilting at windmills, LI dad.

Get over it and time to worry about the changing mentality of college coaches telling kids they no longer have a spot or getting a letter from schools that Juniors grades were not good enough to get through admissions
If you really want to get an idea of the number of holdbacks UA underclass roster posts birthdates of all of the NJ Philly Mass MD and even Turtle kids who have 97 and 98 birthdates. My son is a 99 and would never considered reclassifying or doing a post grad year to get somewhere he doesn't belong He has also never complained about playing older kids in varsity game or club tourneys. The parents seem more obsessed than the kids who probably could care less
The turtles are still a great team with great players but others are catching up. All teams this summer were inconsistent since kids focus on school not club practices.

DOB are all posted on the under armour rosters. Check it out. You might be surprised. That includes all regions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get over it and time to worry about the changing mentality of college coaches telling kids they no longer have a spot or getting a letter from schools that Juniors grades were not good enough to get through admissions
If you really want to get an idea of the number of holdbacks UA underclass roster posts birthdates of all of the NJ Philly Mass MD and even Turtle kids who have 97 and 98 birthdates. My son is a 99 and would never considered reclassifying or doing a post grad year to get somewhere he doesn't belong He has also never complained about playing older kids in varsity game or club tourneys. The parents seem more obsessed than the kids who probably could care less
The turtles are still a great team with great players but others are catching up. All teams this summer were inconsistent since kids focus on school not club practices.

I think you are right that the new focus should be on whether early recruits actually get admitted and do they get to play or sit on the bench. I also think it will be interesting to see how many early recruits decommit and recommit to another school. I believe I read of at least 2 this week. It appears as kids get a bit older, they learn what they would really like out of a school, coach, team, realize they may not get accepted by their original school, or they get better offers and make the change.

I think the next five years will be a bumpy road for all, but the pendulum will eventually right itself and we will go back to seeing coaches looking at older kids once again, and not rising ninth and tenth graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course that's the way it works, these other teams now have 2015's and 2016's playing as 2017's... I know, it doesn't matter right? Makes no difference... They're in HS now... Ya know because only teams from PA, MD and Mass get "better". No they don't get better they get older... Same ole story.

Please cite any team with a kid previously in the Class of 2015 who is now playing on a Class of 2017 team.

Any team. I'm interested to see you cite some facts.

Not going to single out kids because of their parents decisions, clearly the kid didn't re-class himself two times. Stop with nonsense, you know who they are, everyone does. By the way, there are also many kids who should be 2016's who've found their way on to 2018 teams as well.

Ok, we've established that you are a liar.

Keep tilting at windmills, LI dad.

Ok MD,PA or Mass Dad, make sure you let Jr. take the car to JV practice. Great deflection technique, accuse those who expose you and your son of lying... My son was at recent most exclusive showcase, two kids on his team were 2 year re-class. How do we know? Because the kids admitted it. One played on an MD team the other Mass. Sorry moron, just a fact! I know folks like you have problems understanding right from wrong. BTW, awesome literary reference. I guess when your son had to read that book for the third time this year it left a huge impression on him, and you. See if you can reference "to kill a mocking bird" in your next reply. Jr. must have read that one three times too. I have to ask? Does he save the paper from the year before or does he hand in the one from two years ago? Maybe he wrote a new one? After three times, perhaps he finally cracked that A...

Crabs 2017 have surpassed the Turtles now. After beating them twice, they are clearly the best 2017 team now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2017 have surpassed the Turtles now. After beating them twice, they are clearly the best 2017 team now.

The Crabs are a 2016 team playing at 2017. Look at there DOB??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2017 have surpassed the Turtles now. After beating them twice, they are clearly the best 2017 team now.

That's because they are really a 2015 team- no joke! Congrats on your success!!!

Is that the same crabs team that 91 beat. A

LOL. I thought only the U11 and U13 LI dads cried about kids who reclass. Now you guys are complaining about a few kids who reclass because your poor Turtles team is no longer on top?

What's next - asking HS teams who beat your son's HS team to forfeit because their are kids older than yours on the field?

College recruiters are looking at grade - they couldn't care less if one kid is older or younger. This has been happening in sports like hockey, basketball, etc., but of course you don't care unless it's your son who gets the L.

Deal with it. Turtles had a good run, but now they are just one of several teams who are very good.

By the way I am the biggest puss in my town and my kid isn't far behind. I comment on here because my wife is so fat and ugly I can barely look at her so I spend my time on the computer picking my nose and sniffing my farts. Have some pity on me please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is that the same crabs team that 91 beat. A

Yep. And Team 91 lost to a so-so Mesa Fresh team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. I thought only the U11 and U13 LI dads cried about kids who reclass. Now you guys are complaining about a few kids who reclass because your poor Turtles team is no longer on top?

What's next - asking HS teams who beat your son's HS team to forfeit because their are kids older than yours on the field?

College recruiters are looking at grade - they couldn't care less if one kid is older or younger. This has been happening in sports like hockey, basketball, etc., but of course you don't care unless it's your son who gets the L.

Deal with it. Turtles had a good run, but now they are just one of several teams who are very good.

Kid not on Turtles. At least just admit the only way your clubs can compete against LI's best is by playing down. The jury is in, everyone knows. MD, PA, and Mass, only win when they have a team full 1 and 2 year re-classes. It obvious, that's when your teams "get better"... LOL. I love how you guys get all full of yourselves, when your club finally wins a game against the best. The "it's HS now" and all that is great too. Your kids and teams have always, and will always have to play down to win against the best! Just a fact. Now go buy a car for your 18 yo Junior.

Wrong. My son doesn't play in MD and didn't reclass.

But I bet you have the nicest car port on Strong Island.

car port?..car up on blocks in front of his yard

Crabs 17's have one 1 tournament in the last 2 years...and it was a rain shortened one at that...they are good, but McLernan keeps recruiting in new commits to make sure they are among the best...getting a committed goalie and a committed defender for next year as well as a re-classed 16 goalie who will PG...as I said, they are good but not a real 17 team. Ryan likes to be able to list committed athletes on his website, even if they only play 1 year for the crabs...helps bring in the suckers, I mean recruits at younger ages

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong. My son doesn't play in MD and didn't reclass.

But I bet you have the nicest car port on Strong Island.

Hahahahahaha, You must being looking out the window of your trailer.... Stop huffing on the toilet cleaner, you're delusional.

oh yeah, we are the white trash. you ever look in your neighborhood, there must be atleast 1 pickup truck parked in every dirt driveway on your block. don't forget the make shift tarp you have on the side of your house so you can fix up your dads pick up from 1950. go eat some crab and start cooking your meth

Well, I don't live in Maryland, but those are some really sick burns. I wasn't aware that everyone in Maryland has a dirt driveway and cooks meth, but I guess you must be right.

Turtles are really making themselves look pathetic, instead of losing with grace, they have turned into a bunch of whining blamers! It's because if this, that , whatever!. Accept your losses and work harder like everyone else does! I'm about to shed a crocodile tear for you, right after I break out the violins!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtles are really making themselves look pathetic, instead of losing with grace, they have turned into a bunch of whining blamers! It's because if this, that , whatever!. Accept your losses and work harder like everyone else does! I'm about to shed a crocodile tear for you, right after I break out the violins!

I sincerely doubt there is one turtle or parent making these ridiculous statements, nor do they care so deeply about a loss, as they know, there is life after high school lacrosse. You are probably bantering back and forth with a middle schooler or possibly even an immature high schooler, getting a kick out of all the posts. Maybe we can return to lacrosse talk and stop slinging mud about various regions of the US.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 17's have one 1 tournament in the last 2 years...and it was a rain shortened one at that...they are good, but McLernan keeps recruiting in new commits to make sure they are among the best...getting a committed goalie and a committed defender for next year as well as a re-classed 16 goalie who will PG...as I said, they are good but not a real 17 team. Ryan likes to be able to list committed athletes on his website, even if they only play 1 year for the crabs...helps bring in the suckers, I mean recruits at younger ages

The Crabs 2017 won two of three tournaments this year, NSCLA and Crab City. That was before the roster changes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtles are really making themselves look pathetic, instead of losing with grace, they have turned into a bunch of whining blamers! It's because if this, that , whatever!. Accept your losses and work harder like everyone else does! I'm about to shed a crocodile tear for you, right after I break out the violins!

Not associated with Turtles... But work harder? At what? Adding reclassed 2015's and 2016's? That's what your teams work harder at...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtles are really making themselves look pathetic, instead of losing with grace, they have turned into a bunch of whining blamers! It's because if this, that , whatever!. Accept your losses and work harder like everyone else does! I'm about to shed a crocodile tear for you, right after I break out the violins!

I sincerely doubt there is one turtle or parent making these ridiculous statements, nor do they care so deeply about a loss, as they know, there is life after high school lacrosse. You are probably bantering back and forth with a middle schooler or possibly even an immature high schooler, getting a kick out of all the posts. Maybe we can return to lacrosse talk and stop slinging mud about various regions of the US.

Well if you are a Turtle parent, how about you grow a pair and start calling these Clubs and Parents out who are ruining this sport. I guess now that your son is committed you're above the fray. How about standing up for the rest of the LI kids that have to compete against kids two years older to try and earn a college spot. I for one will not stop hammering these punks from MD, PA and Mass. It's a disgrace. If you don't like it, go to another board.

Sure. Every single opponent you're facing is a kid who is two years older than your son. Every single one.

Sure. Keep telling that to yourself.

When they get to college they will be playing against guys 1-4 years older also. The best thing that could happen to an on age 2017 kid is to play against older players. My son turned 16 a couple months ago and at this point going forward, it's an excuse for not being better. I am a Maryland parent and have noticed the 2016 kids who were drop downs from 2016....can't think of one instance where it really helped the kid. Sure, some got committed, but then what? The jig is up. Turtles have nothing to be sad about for dropping some games. Get mad, get better. My son for one welcome all the reclassify comers. When it matters in college you just have to be better or you get discarded to the bench. Good for some local Crabs, Madlax kids who are 2017s. They get a free ticket to the games and a nice view from the sidelines of kids like my son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sure. Every single opponent you're facing is a kid who is two years older than your son. Every single one.

Sure. Keep telling that to yourself.

Never said that dumba$$... You did. But your are correct, you see my son has played up since 8th grade, so the kids are always older. That's his choice. Your kid plays down and makes the on age kid play up. That kid has no choice. Will continue to call out the those that game the system. Sorry, try again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sure. Every single opponent you're facing is a kid who is two years older than your son. Every single one.

Sure. Keep telling that to yourself.

Never said that dumba$$... You did. But your are correct, you see my son has played up since 8th grade, so the kids are always older. That's his choice. Your kid plays down and makes the on age kid play up. That kid has no choice. Will continue to call out the those that game the system. Sorry, try again.

1. It's "you're", not "your", donkey.

2. My son doesn't play down. But keeping thinking that everyone else does in order to make yourself feel better after the game.

3. If your son is a 2017, he's in HS. So stop crying about older kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sure. Every single opponent you're facing is a kid who is two years older than your son. Every single one.

Sure. Keep telling that to yourself.

Never said that dumba$$... You did. But your are correct, you see my son has played up since 8th grade, so the kids are always older. That's his choice. Your kid plays down and makes the on age kid play up. That kid has no choice. Will continue to call out the those that game the system. Sorry, try again.

1. It's "you're", not "your", donkey.

2. My son doesn't play down. But keeping thinking that everyone else does in order to make yourself feel better after the game.

3. If your son is a 2017, he's in HS. So stop crying about older kids.

your, I mean you're a [lacrosse]... Thanks so much for correcting. Btw if you had any reading comprehension skills you would know my son plays up, he played Varsity tournaments as a rising 9th grader, so the kids are always older... Get it now? I stick up for what's right. Something that's lacking in this sport. Kids that can play up, should. Kids that don't want to, should also have that option.

How will the holdbacks every get better if they consistently play with younger kids and then go to college and all of a sudden they are playing older players? It would seem to me, that the holdbacks are putting themselves at a disadvantage when it most counts. Nothing like waiting until you get to your first college practice to play with the big boys. The logic is very flawed- talent rises and players continue to play up and challenge oneself. The weaker play down and stay down. Coaches and players alike will see this when the holdbacks end up being very average in college. Athletes should challenge themselves at all times- it is what makes a player grow.

Their are holdback in hockey, basketball and many other sports, and those kids do just fine.

The only people who seem to complain are LI lacrosse dads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Their are holdback in hockey, basketball and many other sports, and those kids do just fine.

The only people who seem to complain are LI lacrosse dads.

Not complaining- just pointing out the obvious. Playing down with younger kids will really not do much to challenge a player. Hockey players repeat a grade or do a 13th yr more so, so they can go to Juniors. They still have to play age apprpropriate in their travel team as per US Hockey rules. They still get challenged.

Explain to me how a holdback gets better playing down. It only gets them recruited earlier. They stand out among younger kids usually of smaller stature. I'm not saying it won't help them get into a school, but it certainly won't help them get better, it's just a facade and once the smoke clears, and the younger kids catch up, that holdback really hasn't had the opportunity to do what is best for their skills as a player, as anyone can look good playing down, There is also no data as lax is fairly new on how playing down will get a kid recruited AND playing time. Looking forward to seeing how many holdbacks make it to a top Div 1 school, who stays with it and if they get playing time before their junior/senior year. It certainly will be interesting to see if having a kid left back and manipulating their life for lacrosse will have any gain at all. My bet is that the success will be a smaller percentage than what one expected when the decision was made. Why not wait to PG instead of leaving your kid back a year in school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Their are holdback in hockey, basketball and many other sports, and those kids do just fine.

The only people who seem to complain are LI lacrosse dads.

No holdbacks in Hockey, strict age rules that go by birth year. i.e. 96, 97, 98. Try again.
Only people that defend holdbacks are parents of kids who can't compete on age from PA, MD and Mass. Only way your teams can compete. Everyone knows. Face it, if you didn't have 1 and 2 year holdbacks your kid's team would never win anything. 99.9% of LI kids play on age or play up. No complaining, just going to continue to expose you and your kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will the holdbacks every get better if they consistently play with younger kids and then go to college and all of a sudden they are playing older players? It would seem to me, that the holdbacks are putting themselves at a disadvantage when it most counts. Nothing like waiting until you get to your first college practice to play with the big boys. The logic is very flawed- talent rises and players continue to play up and challenge oneself. The weaker play down and stay down. Coaches and players alike will see this when the holdbacks end up being very average in college. Athletes should challenge themselves at all times- it is what makes a player grow.

Who cares what happens in college? The point of a holdback is to GET INTO a college you couldn't otherwise get into. Mission accomplished if it works. What happens once you're there is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will the holdbacks every get better if they consistently play with younger kids and then go to college and all of a sudden they are playing older players? It would seem to me, that the holdbacks are putting themselves at a disadvantage when it most counts. Nothing like waiting until you get to your first college practice to play with the big boys. The logic is very flawed- talent rises and players continue to play up and challenge oneself. The weaker play down and stay down. Coaches and players alike will see this when the holdbacks end up being very average in college. Athletes should challenge themselves at all times- it is what makes a player grow.

Who cares what happens in college? The point of a holdback is to GET INTO a college you couldn't otherwise get into. Mission accomplished if it works. What happens once you're there is irrelevant.

Really- that's your goal? How about studying and spending money on a tutor if your kid doesn't care about riding the bench in college. Academics will get you a lot farther than leaving back your kid in the long run. Pathetic and desperate, but not everyone can be smart and talented so you got to do what you got to do - right?

Primetime was extremely impressive yesterday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Primetime was extremely impressive yesterday

Lost to Leading Edge 2017 in IL Invitational 6-4 and lost to Breakers by 1. 1-2 so far in the tournament. Extremely impressive? However, Leading Edge is one of the best teams this summer in the age group (won Adrenaline Cup) and Breakers is good to.

posted on 2018 - maybe best to post here as well.

I am being told a few things help clarify.

1). Are the 18 months that follow 8th grade graduation the most important.

2). What are the best events to attend?

3). Do you really need to play for a travel team Summer going into Jr year or should you just play tournaments with your HS team and do Showcases?

Trying to save for college and this seems a bit much. Bought into the travel concept in the early years and still believe it has paid off in skill and exposure and being in the know. But saving 20K instead of spending 6-8K a year on this seems like a better choice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

posted on 2018 - maybe best to post here as well.

I am being told a few things help clarify.

1). Are the 18 months that follow 8th grade graduation the most important.

2). What are the best events to attend?

3). Do you really need to play for a travel team Summer going into Jr year or should you just play tournaments with your HS team and do Showcases?

Trying to save for college and this seems a bit much. Bought into the travel concept in the early years and still believe it has paid off in skill and exposure and being in the know. But saving 20K instead of spending 6-8K a year on this seems like a better choice.

The 18 months after graduating from 8th grade are important if your son is a top tier player. If he is middle tier I think the Junior and Senior year are more important as there are plenty of schools that wait till then to fill their recruiting pipeline.

Best event to attend are camps associated with the schools your interested in. Club coaches dont like telling you that because it takes money out of their pockets. I know several top tier kids who where recruited without ever having gone to a showcase or the summer tournament circuit. They only went to the schools camps starting at a young age.

My son is committed and plays with a travel team. It is important to keep building your skills. He also does the high school team. The showcases are not a good use of money unless you have pre arranged for coaches to watch your son.

Tryouts for Long Island Club teams at 2017. A word from experience.

A) Do not fall for the recruiting sell. Most of the top programs have their classes all filled up. Put your money into ACT/SAT prep it is way better spent.

B) If you get placed on the B team run. All B teams are mismanaged past 10th grade. You will show up to tournaments with 12 kids and no goalie. Go to a tournament in Mass and have 12 kids dressed for three games in 90 degree weather. Its a cluster#$@%.

C) Profesional Coaching: There is no focus on development, only on how cool a bucket hat they picked up for this tournament.

Again, Run if you are placed on the B team. They won't pull you up for that special tournament. They'll call on somebody from their 2018 squad because he's friends with the coach.

Run, Run, Run.

Even if you make the "A" team be careful. You might not receive any real playing time for recruiting purposes.

Anyone thinking of trying out for Bluefish?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts for Long Island Club teams at 2017. A word from experience.

A) Do not fall for the recruiting sell. Most of the top programs have their classes all filled up. Put your money into ACT/SAT prep it is way better spent.

B) If you get placed on the B team run. All B teams are mismanaged past 10th grade. You will show up to tournaments with 12 kids and no goalie. Go to a tournament in Mass and have 12 kids dressed for three games in 90 degree weather. Its a cluster#$@%.

C) Profesional Coaching: There is no focus on development, only on how cool a bucket hat they picked up for this tournament.

Again, Run if you are placed on the B team. They won't pull you up for that special tournament. They'll call on somebody from their 2018 squad because he's friends with the coach.

Run, Run, Run.

Everybody should listen to this advice!! So, true! We went through the same school or hard knocks. B-team is only there to fund the A-team and pad the program coffers. You are a fool if you fall for the B-team sell job. I've heard it all - Will So and so, and Bob so and so were once on the B-team and then were All-Americans. Maybe true but what are the odds? Better to run to the ACT tutor and just do individual showcases/prospect days.

Well, my son was not even a b team player. Made the express c team, which we declined. Thankfully to his HS coach, he is now an all American with a substantial scholarship to a great school! His friends on the a team did not fair as well, and the coaches that didnt believe in him now invite him to play for free. He may be an exception, but it can be done if the KID is motivated and wants it!

your son must have been a late bloomer in regards to size and now shoving it up their asses. Love that good for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts for Long Island Club teams at 2017. A word from experience.

A) Do not fall for the recruiting sell. Most of the top programs have their classes all filled up. Put your money into ACT/SAT prep it is way better spent.

B) If you get placed on the B team run. All B teams are mismanaged past 10th grade. You will show up to tournaments with 12 kids and no goalie. Go to a tournament in Mass and have 12 kids dressed for three games in 90 degree weather. Its a cluster#$@%.

C) Profesional Coaching: There is no focus on development, only on how cool a bucket hat they picked up for this tournament.

Again, Run if you are placed on the B team. They won't pull you up for that special tournament. They'll call on somebody from their 2018 squad because he's friends with the coach.

Run, Run, Run.

Ive heard that from a few people. Question, all those 2017 D1 committed names on the express website do they all STILL play for express? Or they just trying to hook people?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts for Long Island Club teams at 2017. A word from experience.

A) Do not fall for the recruiting sell. Most of the top programs have their classes all filled up. Put your money into ACT/SAT prep it is way better spent.

B) If you get placed on the B team run. All B teams are mismanaged past 10th grade. You will show up to tournaments with 12 kids and no goalie. Go to a tournament in Mass and have 12 kids dressed for three games in 90 degree weather. Its a cluster#$@%.

C) Profesional Coaching: There is no focus on development, only on how cool a bucket hat they picked up for this tournament.

Again, Run if you are placed on the B team. They won't pull you up for that special tournament. They'll call on somebody from their 2018 squad because he's friends with the coach.

Run, Run, Run.

Ive heard that from a few people. Question, all those 2017 D1 committed names on the express website do they all STILL play for express? Or they just trying to hook people?

Most of the 2017 commit names for LIE are Turtles so yes they still play for the Express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts for Long Island Club teams at 2017. A word from experience.

A) Do not fall for the recruiting sell. Most of the top programs have their classes all filled up. Put your money into ACT/SAT prep it is way better spent.

B) If you get placed on the B team run. All B teams are mismanaged past 10th grade. You will show up to tournaments with 12 kids and no goalie. Go to a tournament in Mass and have 12 kids dressed for three games in 90 degree weather. Its a cluster#$@%.

C) Profesional Coaching: There is no focus on development, only on how cool a bucket hat they picked up for this tournament.

Again, Run if you are placed on the B team. They won't pull you up for that special tournament. They'll call on somebody from their 2018 squad because he's friends with the coach.

Run, Run, Run.

Ive heard that from a few people. Question, all those 2017 D1 committed names on the express website do they all STILL play for express? Or they just trying to hook people?

Most of the 2017 play on the Turtles. There 4-6 players that left the the Express over the last year, all are D1 commits for other clubs.

I don't know about some of the others, but the two Smithown East boys that just graduated are listed as express commits yet the haven't played there since 8th grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts for Long Island Club teams at 2017. A word from experience.

A) Do not fall for the recruiting sell. Most of the top programs have their classes all filled up. Put your money into ACT/SAT prep it is way better spent.

B) If you get placed on the B team run. All B teams are mismanaged past 10th grade. You will show up to tournaments with 12 kids and no goalie. Go to a tournament in Mass and have 12 kids dressed for three games in 90 degree weather. Its a cluster#$@%.

C) Profesional Coaching: There is no focus on development, only on how cool a bucket hat they picked up for this tournament.

Again, Run if you are placed on the B team. They won't pull you up for that special tournament. They'll call on somebody from their 2018 squad because he's friends with the coach.

Run, Run, Run.

Ive heard that from a few people. Question, all those 2017 D1 committed names on the express website do they all STILL play for express? Or they just trying to hook people?

Most of the 2017 commit names for LIE are Turtles so yes they still play for the Express.

Not sure about that one, I heard the Turtles aren't part of the Express anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts for Long Island Club teams at 2017. A word from experience.

A) Do not fall for the recruiting sell. Most of the top programs have their classes all filled up. Put your money into ACT/SAT prep it is way better spent.

B) If you get placed on the B team run. All B teams are mismanaged past 10th grade. You will show up to tournaments with 12 kids and no goalie. Go to a tournament in Mass and have 12 kids dressed for three games in 90 degree weather. Its a cluster#$@%.

C) Profesional Coaching: There is no focus on development, only on how cool a bucket hat they picked up for this tournament.

Again, Run if you are placed on the B team. They won't pull you up for that special tournament. They'll call on somebody from their 2018 squad because he's friends with the coach.

Run, Run, Run.

Ive heard that from a few people. Question, all those 2017 D1 committed names on the express website do they all STILL play for express? Or they just trying to hook people?

Most of the 2017 commit names for LIE are Turtles so yes they still play for the Express.

Not sure about that one, I heard the Turtles aren't part of the Express anymore.

I'm thinking,with the 2014 Grad Class being the first large group of 9th grade early commits, would love to see the impact those 9th graders had in their freshman year of college. Will they still be on that committed team as a sophomore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts for Long Island Club teams at 2017. A word from experience.

A) Do not fall for the recruiting sell. Most of the top programs have their classes all filled up. Put your money into ACT/SAT prep it is way better spent.

B) If you get placed on the B team run. All B teams are mismanaged past 10th grade. You will show up to tournaments with 12 kids and no goalie. Go to a tournament in Mass and have 12 kids dressed for three games in 90 degree weather. Its a cluster#$@%.

C) Profesional Coaching: There is no focus on development, only on how cool a bucket hat they picked up for this tournament.

Again, Run if you are placed on the B team. They won't pull you up for that special tournament. They'll call on somebody from their 2018 squad because he's friends with the coach.

Run, Run, Run.

Ive heard that from a few people. Question, all those 2017 D1 committed names on the express website do they all STILL play for express? Or they just trying to hook people?

Most of the 2017 commit names for LIE are Turtles so yes they still play for the Express.

Not sure about that one, I heard the Turtles aren't part of the Express anymore.

I'm thinking,with the 2014 Grad Class being the first large group of 9th grade early commits, would love to see the impact those 9th graders had in their freshman year of college. Will they still be on that committed team as a sophomore.

Wasn't Forry Smith, a 2016, the first freshmen to commit?

If you don't make the 2017 A team with a travel club located on long island and you have the privilege of being placed on the B Team you get to pay an additional $700.

Look at the tuition of each club before you commit to tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't make the 2017 A team with a travel club located on long island and you have the privilege of being placed on the B Team you get to pay an additional $700.

Look at the tuition of each club before you commit to tryouts.

I noticed that! my son will stay away from that club. I also heard that the B team showed up to tournaments with no goalies, and never had a head coach. They only had college kids who sat there and made fun of the kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts for Long Island Club teams at 2017. A word from experience.

A) Do not fall for the recruiting sell. Most of the top programs have their classes all filled up. Put your money into ACT/SAT prep it is way better spent.

B) If you get placed on the B team run. All B teams are mismanaged past 10th grade. You will show up to tournaments with 12 kids and no goalie. Go to a tournament in Mass and have 12 kids dressed for three games in 90 degree weather. Its a cluster#$@%.

C) Profesional Coaching: There is no focus on development, only on how cool a bucket hat they picked up for this tournament.

Again, Run if you are placed on the B team. They won't pull you up for that special tournament. They'll call on somebody from their 2018 squad because he's friends with the coach.

Run, Run, Run.

Ive heard that from a few people. Question, all those 2017 D1 committed names on the express website do they all STILL play for express? Or they just trying to hook people?

Most of the 2017 commit names for LIE are Turtles so yes they still play for the Express.

Not sure about that one, I heard the Turtles aren't part of the Express anymore.

This summer the turtles wore express uniforms not turtle uni's so yes they are still and have always been a part of the Long Island Express organization. When they played out of state tourneys they have always been listed as the LI Express Turtles.