Boys 2021 - 8th Grade Fall 2016/ Summer 2017 - US Lacrosse Community Forum

It's the start of the Fall 2016/Spring 2017 season. Use this thread for your posts regarding this age group

Not a huge turnout at the 91 last night. Heard that it wasn't much better last week either.

Why are you surprised,?

Yes, thought that they would still draw some interest, especially with the rumors of everyone leaving Outlaws and Igloo. They must not be true or everyone is going elsewhere.

This is the year people go else were, because parent realize standing on side line on a AA team. Will not get you looks. You need to play.

Yes the ones who want to leave will leave ...there will be 50 new kids to choose from it is what it is

Leaving Outlaws- Now That's Funny

No one is going leaving. At this age your teams are set, give or take a few. They only team that is an embarrassment to the sport is 2021 Express. 40 plus kids on one team, most don't play, and MC, will take kids from other teams and play em on his team for the sake of a t shirt at a tournament . So that means the kids who were starting got bumped. Did not work out for him at NLF this summer. Parents you need to be aware and smarter than just giving your $$$ to a 40 plus team.

Hearing half of that sideline of MC is venturing off to a small up and coming club ran by their competition out in north shore Suffolk . I guess better late then never !

quote=Anonymous]No one is going leaving. At this age your teams are set, give or take a few. They only team that is an embarrassment to the sport is 2021 Express. 40 plus kids on one team, most don't play, and MC, will take kids from other teams and play em on his team for the sake of a t shirt at a tournament . So that means the kids who were starting got bumped. Did not work out for him at NLF this summer. Parents you need to be aware and smarter than just giving your $$$ to a 40 plus team. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing half of that sideline of MC is venturing off to a small up and coming club ran by their competition out in north shore Suffolk . I guess better late then never !

What's the name of the club?

Has to be Empire.

Did anyone go to Icon tryouts last night? How many kids? Any talent there other than existing players? I would assume everyone is returning. They are very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one is going leaving. At this age your teams are set, give or take a few. They only team that is an embarrassment to the sport is 2021 Express. 40 plus kids on one team, most don't play, and MC, will take kids from other teams and play em on his team for the sake of a t shirt at a tournament . So that means the kids who were starting got bumped. Did not work out for him at NLF this summer. Parents you need to be aware and smarter than just giving your $$$ to a 40 plus team.

Express is known for doing that at various age groups 2019 also. Take everyone and sort em out and shuffle em around later as needed. You never know who you'll play when you play them!

Isn't this the age that the tournaments don't really matter, it is more of being at the right recruiting tournament and getting playing time? I spoke to a HS Coach, and he said the best kids on the worst teams will get a look.

Allot of talent at ICON as expected didn't see anyone there that did not belong. about 70 or so kids so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Allot of talent at ICON as expected didn't see anyone there that did not belong. about 70 or so kids so.

sounds like they will be able to get rid of some of the dead wood

correct , doesn't matter a/b/c team , when a college coach is contacted and will be at that particular recruitment tournament he will come take a look. Worked for my son. ( people beating there brains out to fight for top team placement is useless to a point ) But again you need to be in the right recruitment tournaments where college coaches are present. Some clubs have stronger connections then others to get into these good ones.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isn't this the age that the tournaments don't really matter, it is more of being at the right recruiting tournament and getting playing time? I spoke to a HS Coach, and he said the best kids on the worst teams will get a look.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

correct , doesn't matter a/b/c team , when a college coach is contacted and will be at that particular recruitment tournament he will come take a look. Worked for my son. ( people beating there brains out to fight for top team placement is useless to a point ) But again you need to be in the right recruitment tournaments where college coaches are present. Some clubs have stronger connections then others to get into these good ones.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isn't this the age that the tournaments don't really matter, it is more of being at the right recruiting tournament and getting playing time? I spoke to a HS Coach, and he said the best kids on the worst teams will get a look.

I'm new to this. So my son should be reaching out to college coaches and letting him know that he will be at certain tournaments? Thanks for the info.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Allot of talent at ICON as expected didn't see anyone there that did not belong. about 70 or so kids so.

sounds like they will be able to get rid of some of the dead wood

Yes, I agree. Euthanasia for all 8th grade boys who aren't up to par in lax. The nerve of these undesirables to even show their hideous faces at tryouts. Do you even think about what you post ? No my son is not one of these poor wretched rotting pieces of lumber you speak of. Thank god for that !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Allot of talent at ICON as expected didn't see anyone there that did not belong. about 70 or so kids so.

sounds like they will be able to get rid of some of the dead wood

Yes, I agree. Euthanasia for all 8th grade boys who aren't up to par in lax. The nerve of these undesirables to even show their hideous faces at tryouts. Do you even think about what you post ? No my son is not one of these poor wretched rotting pieces of lumber you speak of. Thank god for that !

Hah! Yes, that post likely came from some fat slob lax daddy who never played the game. To refer to any kid at this age level as "dead wood" is pretty much a disgrace. Yeah, some kids are just nonathletic and/or immature, but most kids still try hard. Lighten up there lax daddy. Not every kid can be the next Gary Gait like your little Johnny.

Actually- ICON lost their 2 best kids so there's that.

Where did they go? Is that including the Express guest player from last year or did they lose two more? That's too bad if true. That is a great team and strong organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually- ICON lost their 2 best kids so there's that.

They both left and they were not the BEST players... Just saying...

Your kid is the best? Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They both left and they were not the BEST players... Just saying...

Of course not...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Icon lost 3 players all to Express. No great loss for the Icon Orange team. 2 of 3 didn't play much last season.

One of them was obviously their best player.
They certainly will be a weaker team without him.

No they won't be a weaker team. None of the 3 were the best players...

Very low turn out for Express this evening. Will they have enough for two teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very low turn out for Express this evening. Will they have enough for two teams?

Who Cares

Express never cuts anyone. Maybe this year they will have to make some cuts if they don't have enough for two teams and can only field one team. Sad for kids on the second team because they had a good season. Surprising more did not return.

quote=Anonymous]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very low turn out for Express this evening. Will they have enough for two teams?

Who Cares [/quote]

This is the downfall for that team. They are all small players cannot compete in these big showcases. They get pushed around. This team will be a B team only nothing more. All the A players have gone to express,igloo, and legacy.

... Enough about Icon. Grow up!!! You all need a life...

Icon's problem has always been their small size. I saw some new bigger kids with talent at the tryout. With the coaching of PM, JD and NE, Icon will be JUST FINE... imo

Express Helmets spotted at various eastern long island tryouts , looks like there's a mass exodus of unhappy players testing the waters elsewhere , true test for MC and his rip off organization will be lets see how those players do for other programs ? and if he actually improved them enough to be a standout player like he claims over and over to parents when he is recruiting kids for his club. You get bare minimum at high price . Nothing really in return. Parents only appease him when they are thinking of sending their son to catholic school. Other then that good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very low turn out for Express this evening. Will they have enough for two teams?

Express had about 60 kids there. They will offer a spot to everyone. If they don't have enough for a second team because kids choose not to play for Express they will add kids as they always do by October. The A team will be just as good as last year. The only kids that are leaving are the kids who never played. That is why you see so many Express helmets at other teams tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express Helmets spotted at various eastern long island tryouts , looks like there's a mass exodus of unhappy players testing the waters elsewhere , true test for MC and his rip off organization will be lets see how those players do for other programs ? and if he actually improved them enough to be a standout player like he claims over and over to parents when he is recruiting kids for his club. You get bare minimum at high price . Nothing really in return. Parents only appease him when they are thinking of sending their son to catholic school. Other then that good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very low turn out for Express this evening. Will they have enough for two teams?

Why do you respond to this garbage? Everyone who knows lax knows Icon will be good this year. Those who say not have a personal reason to trash them here. My kid has played against Icon many times and they are a top team. No weak links.

Who f##king cares it's 8th grade lax.

Yes Icon will miss the kid that has played on both Express and Icon last year but I understand he is going to try and do both again, don't know if Icon coach's will allow it as it really is not right but we'll see. As far as the other kid who may be leaving I understand he did not play all last summer and maybe is moving on. They had a very solid attack with two top kids there, a very good def with one kid very good and a core of solid mids. I also understand they had a few new kids at there tryout who will give them good size. They were the best coached team I saw and I'm sure they will be very soild again. They have most of the top kids from Franklin Square, the top 2-3 kids from Garden City and the most of the top kids from RVC which are all good programs. I'm sure that staff will make every player a better lacrosse player which is what they are suppose to do at this age. Is it true that there is a new staff at Express at this age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Icon will miss the kid that has played on both Express and Icon last year but I understand he is going to try and do both again, don't know if Icon coach's will allow it as it really is not right but we'll see. As far as the other kid who may be leaving I understand he did not play all last summer and maybe is moving on. They had a very solid attack with two top kids there, a very good def with one kid very good and a core of solid mids. I also understand they had a few new kids at there tryout who will give them good size. They were the best coached team I saw and I'm sure they will be very soild again. They have most of the top kids from Franklin Square, the top 2-3 kids from Garden City and the most of the top kids from RVC which are all good programs. I'm sure that staff will make every player a better lacrosse player which is what they are suppose to do at this age. Is it true that there is a new staff at Express at this age group.

Wow, you have quite a wealth of knowledge about a team that you act like "saw".
This was obviously written by one of the Icon asst. coaches/dads. Yes you have a solid team, but it will obviously be effected by the loss of your best player.

Playing for both teams is so stupid, if one kid decides if you are good or just ok, that is sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were some very hateful posts that were taken down that were not seen by many.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think they are hated.

They are very respected � that's the reason for the chatter.

Good team, good org.

Really is classless. Anyone who is talking about a 13 year old and knows what hes doping and when hes doing it is not only a loser but has something really wrong with him/her. Go get a job and a life you loser.

Heard that a Express kid is joining Ambush. Any truth to that? Supposedly he is a really good x attack. At least that is how it is being spun.

Lmao dad or mom I think you know. Who in their right mind would come on here and say I heard a really good x attack. Dad you just want to see if people would say if your kid is good. So people know who you are. So when they see you this fall just remember we are laughing behind your back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lmao dad or mom I think you know. Who in their right mind would come on here and say I heard a really good x attack. Dad you just want to see if people would say if your kid is good. So people know who you are. So when they see you this fall just remember we are laughing behind your back.

No, this is not necessarily the parent of the player who made the previous post. One numerous occasions in the past, comments have been made on this board about players which have appeared to be self-serving but were actually done by an uninvolved party either innocently or because of an agenda. So find the truth before you accuse or laugh at someone behind their back Detective.

Express 2021 is imploding, many players are looking to jump ship finally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a Express kid is joining Ambush. Any truth to that? Supposedly he is a really good x attack. At least that is how it is being spun.

No they are not imploding. Most will be back. True kids are going to tryouts for other teams but the good teams are cutting these kids. If they want to fall to a weaker team they may leave but most won't leave for a weaker team. They did add some icon players but still have not fixed that very weak defense. All defenders will be back because what good team will take any of them? Goalies are always very strong. Attack Is stronger this year. This team will be a little better this season. But won't challenge for the top spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express 2021 is imploding, many players are looking to jump ship finally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a Express kid is joining Ambush. Any truth to that? Supposedly he is a really good x attack. At least that is how it is being spun.

Express is a joke and everyone knows it GEEEEE everyone made it again that tried out. Have fun being placed into the shuffle.

EXPRESS hahahahahahah It should be called the EXPRESS TRAIN TO YOUR BANK ACCOUNT. MC can care less about anyone but is $$$$$. Sure you made the team. So did 60 other kids. HAHAHAHAHA you will get lost in the shuffle with them all. Oh wait, you also have to deal with "guest" players who just show up, and yes your son will have to sit out again and not play. This program is a wolf in sheep clothing. Buyer beware, yet if you are at this age level and you still go to express should be sucker beware

MY VIEW ON EXPRESS. IF IT LOOKS LIKE A RAT, SMELLS LIKE A RAT, & ACTS LIKE A RAT, WELL IT MUST BE MC IN HIS LONG TRENCH COAT, DUMB BLUE HAT, & SILLY BACK PACK

Not for anything but why didn't you just put the last 3 posts into one?

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Not for anything but why didn't you just put the last 3 posts into one?

He was working himself into a frenzy for that final post in ALL CAPS for added effect. Such insightful information he was providing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MY VIEW ON EXPRESS. IF IT LOOKS LIKE A RAT, SMELLS LIKE A RAT, & ACTS LIKE A RAT, WELL IT MUST BE MC IN HIS LONG TRENCH COAT, DUMB BLUE HAT, & SILLY BACK PACK

I guess MC told you that your kid wasn't A material and now you go blaming Express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Not for anything but why didn't you just put the last 3 posts into one?

He was working himself into a frenzy for that final post in ALL CAPS for added effect. Such insightful information he was providing.

I guess..

Stop. Everyone makes the A team at Express

To be fair all A and B players make Express top team and all the rest make the B team. The funny thing is a B player on Express top team will tryout for another team and the parent will tell the coach of the new team that his kid played for the top Express team. At tryout the new coach will see many flaws the Express kid has but take him anyway thinking they found a top player because he plays for Express top team. By mid year the new team finds out they took a B player. All the top coaches laugh at the coach who got fooled by taking a kid just because he played for Express top team. It happens all the time. What does this tell us. All the bad things people say about Express but they are still very respected. Teams take Express kids even though the kid is not good. They convince them selfs during tryouts the kid is good. So Express is still respected despite what people say.

Is it true that two crush kids are reclassifying if so this is pathetic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true that two crush kids are reclassifying if so this is pathetic

I think it's 4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true that two crush kids are reclassifying if so this is pathetic

I think it's 4

That is even worse. What positions?

My son was invited to join the 2021 DC Express "Orange" team, which I assume is the B team. Coaches will be Kieran Wilcox and Kyle Mooney. Fees are nearly $3K.

This will be the first year for DC Express in the area.

What do you Long Islanders think?

Would not say Most will be back on A team and as far as their 2nd team word to the consumer is "Stay Away" the kids who were cut from 1st and moved to the 2nd team have made their calls and found homes already, it will be a skeleton crew of a team and MC will sell how great it is to play for express to the ones who need a seat to sit in as time goes by. His sparkly smile and a handshake and pat on the back only last until all payments submitted. We have seen this program fluctuate through the years in this age group. He will ruin you more then do good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No they are not imploding. Most will be back. True kids are going to tryouts for other teams but the good teams are cutting these kids. If they want to fall to a weaker team they may leave but most won't leave for a weaker team. They did add some icon players but still have not fixed that very weak defense. All defenders will be back because what good team will take any of them? Goalies are always very strong. Attack Is stronger this year. This team will be a little better this season. But won't challenge for the top spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express 2021 is imploding, many players are looking to jump ship finally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a Express kid is joining Ambush. Any truth to that? Supposedly he is a really good x attack. At least that is how it is being spun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was invited to join the 2021 DC Express "Orange" team, which I assume is the B team. Coaches will be Kieran Wilcox and Kyle Mooney. Fees are nearly $3K.

This will be the first year for DC Express in the area.

What do you Long Islanders think?

DMV parent here - but paying 3K to play for DC Express and not have your coach be named Megill or Horsey seems crazy

B teams never get the same treatment as A teams

Express B parents have been told this year the B team is an A team. So they will have AA and an A team. No B or C teams. This was a C to C minus team last year. What would make them think they could jump to the A status so fast? Parents get the same speech each year. Things will change from last year and the team will be an A team this year. At some point you can't blame the organization and have to blame the parents who come back every year hearing the same promises each year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would not say Most will be back on A team and as far as their 2nd team word to the consumer is "Stay Away" the kids who were cut from 1st and moved to the 2nd team have made their calls and found homes already, it will be a skeleton crew of a team and MC will sell how great it is to play for express to the ones who need a seat to sit in as time goes by. His sparkly smile and a handshake and pat on the back only last until all payments submitted. We have seen this program fluctuate through the years in this age group. He will ruin you more then do good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No they are not imploding. Most will be back. True kids are going to tryouts for other teams but the good teams are cutting these kids. If they want to fall to a weaker team they may leave but most won't leave for a weaker team. They did add some icon players but still have not fixed that very weak defense. All defenders will be back because what good team will take any of them? Goalies are always very strong. Attack Is stronger this year. This team will be a little better this season. But won't challenge for the top spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express 2021 is imploding, many players are looking to jump ship finally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a Express kid is joining Ambush. Any truth to that? Supposedly he is a really good x attack. At least that is how it is being spun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lmao dad or mom I think you know. Who in their right mind would come on here and say I heard a really good x attack. Dad you just want to see if people would say if your kid is good. So people know who you are. So when they see you this fall just remember we are laughing behind your back.

No, this is not necessarily the parent of the player who made the previous post. One numerous occasions in the past, comments have been made on this board about players which have appeared to be self-serving but were actually done by an uninvolved party either innocently or because of an agenda. So find the truth before you accuse or laugh at someone behind their back Detective.

Not the kids dad, a dad on Ambush, and looking to see who this kid is. Turns out he isn't from Express, moved in from out of State. Would be a nice pick up if they got him. Very low turnover on Ambush this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lmao dad or mom I think you know. Who in their right mind would come on here and say I heard a really good x attack. Dad you just want to see if people would say if your kid is good. So people know who you are. So when they see you this fall just remember we are laughing behind your back.

No, this is not necessarily the parent of the player who made the previous post. One numerous occasions in the past, comments have been made on this board about players which have appeared to be self-serving but were actually done by an uninvolved party either innocently or because of an agenda. So find the truth before you accuse or laugh at someone behind their back Detective.

Not the kids dad, a dad on Ambush, and looking to see who this kid is. Turns out he isn't from Express, moved in from out of State. Would be a nice pick up if they got him. Very low turnover on Ambush this year.

I used to always ask who a player was when my son was in the younger years. I also gave props to that player. I have defending players that my son had never played with but knew the player. I have defended the players my son has played with. Maybe I am a tool for doing that. Maybe I am a tool for always wanting to know who the boys were who showed up almost out of nowhere, or only limited people knew who he was. Oh and by the way, I always ranked the teams but also tried to get them all to play each other. I did this because I had a dream that so like skilled teams might some day play each other.

So it doesn't always have to be the parent. could be in this case, but doesn't have to be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true that two crush kids are reclassifying if so this is pathetic

I think it's 4

Lol

Any teams looking for defense still?

What is the difference between reclassify, holdback and a PG year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the difference between reclassify, holdback and a PG year?

A.) Holdback- don't register your kid for kindergarten until he is six, so he will be more mature and bigger than his classmates.

B.) Reclass - maybe you did the holdback thing, but junior's classmates have caught up or surpassed him physically in 8th grade, so find a school that will let him repeat the grade again ( mostly private ).

C.) Post-Graduate (PG) - you did A & B, but junior still only got offers to non-competitive D3 schools. This is the 13th grade at some fancy New England prep school if you can foot the $40,000 + bill. Maybe he can get that $4,500 lax scholarship to Siena College in a year's time.

The New classification "aa" or "a" is politically correctness for A or B , all clubs are doing this now because the dilusional parents feel a [lacrosse] of alot better paying for a letter that Sounds better for their low self esteem building then for the reality B is 2nd best.
Parents (the consumer)are the biggest issue with every club , more so then the player doing all the work , constant nagging and never any patience . Clubs once again found a marketing strategy that people bought into , although MC is a complete used car salesman when it comes to taking any kid , he sure knows how to keep them biting on the hook year in year out.

quote=Anonymous]Express B parents have been told this year the B team is an A team. So they will have AA and an A team. No B or C teams. This was a C to C minus team last year. What would make them think they could jump to the A status so fast? Parents get the same speech each year. Things will change from last year and the team will be an A team this year. At some point you can't blame the organization and have to blame the parents who come back every year hearing the same promises each year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would not say Most will be back on A team and as far as their 2nd team word to the consumer is "Stay Away" the kids who were cut from 1st and moved to the 2nd team have made their calls and found homes already, it will be a skeleton crew of a team and MC will sell how great it is to play for express to the ones who need a seat to sit in as time goes by. His sparkly smile and a handshake and pat on the back only last until all payments submitted. We have seen this program fluctuate through the years in this age group. He will ruin you more then do good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No they are not imploding. Most will be back. True kids are going to tryouts for other teams but the good teams are cutting these kids. If they want to fall to a weaker team they may leave but most won't leave for a weaker team. They did add some icon players but still have not fixed that very weak defense. All defenders will be back because what good team will take any of them? Goalies are always very strong. Attack Is stronger this year. This team will be a little better this season. But won't challenge for the top spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express 2021 is imploding, many players are looking to jump ship finally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a Express kid is joining Ambush. Any truth to that? Supposedly he is a really good x attack. At least that is how it is being spun.

[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true that two crush kids are reclassifying if so this is pathetic

I think it's 4

Lol

Think it's 1, yes pretty pathetic, kids change alot from 4th and 5th grade sometimes the prodigy doesn't quite fulfill expectations.

Does anyone know how the hitmen are at this age ?

Hitman - B- or B @ 2021. Allot of the better players in this age group played up on their 2020 team which was prob a solid B team at 2020

My son was on Express 2021 B team last year and will be on Express B team this year as well because quite frankly he belongs on the B team. No one has told us or any other parents that we know that this will be an A team. Your C to C minus grade for last year is accurate. It started out a frustrating year with some kids on the team that weren't that good. I'm not insulting them but all the kids weren't at the same skill level. What we have been told is that if all the kids accept the offer to be on the team is we will be a competitive team, and that's all we're looking for. We were offered a spot on an "A" team with another team but to be honest we liked the coach , Karwoski. Good bunch of kids on the team and they came off smiling every time. Every kid on that team got better last year and it was evident that he cared for the kids. Is Express expensive? You bet your a$$ it is but we knew it going in and we know it this year as well. I think the problem is that kids and parents don't want to hear junior is not A team yet and they run for another team, very rarely do I hear that the ones who run are happy at their new team either.

Did the Outlaws change at all this year? They always have the earliest tryouts- trying to get incrementally better each year...

Yes outlaws have changed some chemistry this past tryout , got some top talent coming in from Smithtown,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Outlaws change at all this year? They always have the earliest tryouts- trying to get incrementally better each year...

Good news for Outlaws. They have be on the bubble for years and will break through with even 2-3 upgrades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes outlaws have changed some chemistry this past tryout , got some top talent coming in from Smithtown,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Outlaws change at all this year? They always have the earliest tryouts- trying to get incrementally better each year...

Really? I didn't see 1 smith town kid at tryouts that wasn't on the black team last year. No smith town on the select team at all. Get your facts straight.

Actually 3 were there .

quote=Anonymous]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes outlaws have changed some chemistry this past tryout , got some top talent coming in from Smithtown,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Outlaws change at all this year? They always have the earliest tryouts- trying to get incrementally better each year...

Really? I didn't see 1 smith town kid at tryouts that wasn't on the black team last year. No smith town on the select team at all. Get your facts straight. [/quote]

Will the Jesters have a team this year?

CAN YOU OR ANYONE ADVISE WHAT ARE SOME OF THE BETTER RECRUITING TOURNAMENTS THAT KIDS SHOULD ATTEND IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN PLAYING COLLEGE BALL, ESPECIALLY FOR A D1 SCHOOL???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CAN YOU OR ANYONE ADVISE WHAT ARE SOME OF THE BETTER RECRUITING TOURNAMENTS THAT KIDS SHOULD ATTEND IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN PLAYING COLLEGE BALL, ESPECIALLY FOR A D1 SCHOOL???

Turn off your cap lock!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was on Express 2021 B team last year and will be on Express B team this year as well because quite frankly he belongs on the B team. No one has told us or any other parents that we know that this will be an A team. Your C to C minus grade for last year is accurate. It started out a frustrating year with some kids on the team that weren't that good. I'm not insulting them but all the kids weren't at the same skill level. What we have been told is that if all the kids accept the offer to be on the team is we will be a competitive team, and that's all we're looking for. We were offered a spot on an "A" team with another team but to be honest we liked the coach , Karwoski. Good bunch of kids on the team and they came off smiling every time. Every kid on that team got better last year and it was evident that he cared for the kids. Is Express expensive? You bet your a$$ it is but we knew it going in and we know it this year as well. I think the problem is that kids and parents don't want to hear junior is not A team yet and they run for another team, very rarely do I hear that the ones who run are happy at their new team either.

Wow, how refreshing it is to hear from a parent who sees this as what it is. A great way to have your kid get better and play with other kids he likes. Thank you for restoring my faith in lax parents.

My son played on A teams from 3rd grade through 7th grade. It became evident that he wasn't keeping up with the curve and last year sat more than he played on what was an exceptional team. This year coach was honest and said he would take him back but he wouldn't play and he felt that would hurt his development. He was honest and din't want him to be stunted in his development. I appreciated that and he now will be playing for a A/B team. A team that is a step below in terms of competitiveness but is very well coached. I think my son at first was upset that he couldn't tell his friends he was playing on an A team, but I am sure his development will now move forward given the fact that he can compete for more playing time.
A or B only matters in terms of egos. If your kid plays and is learning and growing and the competition is just right (no 10 goal wins or 10 goal losses), then he will have fun and he will grow and soon may be on an A team again but for the right reasons.
As a father who has been a bit blind, I now appreciate what that coach said and feel fortunate that my son isn't going back to that team to sit the bench just so we both can wear a "A" team sweatshirt. Once again Lax will be fun1 The way it was supposed to be!

This year, my son attended 3 tryouts and made all 3. My 1st question was will my son get better by playing on team 1,2 or 3?
I looked at who was coaching those teams, the cost of tuition and then added in the cost of the 3-5 away tournaments. Some serious cash being spent on this sport.
Speaking to each coach ( it's a lot easier to do than you would think ) and letting them know my concerns was very helpful. Each coach was more than willing to answer my questions.
As a family, we will choose the team WE think where he will get very good training , playing time and hopefully improve as a player.
So my main question to the coaches were ,will he improve if he is on your team and why do you think that.
One last note, where he plays is my business and not anyone else's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This year, my son attended 3 tryouts and made all 3. My 1st question was will my son get better by playing on team 1,2 or 3?
I looked at who was coaching those teams, the cost of tuition and then added in the cost of the 3-5 away tournaments. Some serious cash being spent on this sport.
Speaking to each coach ( it's a lot easier to do than you would think ) and letting them know my concerns was very helpful. Each coach was more than willing to answer my questions.
As a family, we will choose the team WE think where he will get very good training , playing time and hopefully improve as a player.
So my main question to the coaches were ,will he improve if he is on your team and why do you think that.
One last note, where he plays is my business and not anyone else's.

Your last sentence is kind of funny as you put all of your "business" on the thread..

Wasn't he just basically laying it out there that he is not going to name team names if someone was wondering and was going to ask . . .?

My son got offers from Primetime, Express North, and tristate, any insights, thoughts comments on which direction to go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son got offers from Primetime, Express North, and tristate, any insights, thoughts comments on which direction to go?

I know you are just looking for advice and thoughts about which club could be the best for you. But unfortunately, only you and your son can answer that question.

Things to think about...especially at this age
- Will my son get the practice time to sharpen skills?
- Will my son see the field a fair amount during games/tournaments?
- Will my son receive strong coaching?
- Will my son play against competition that will make him better?
etc, etc, etc

Recruiting is just around the corner (potentially already starting), don't worry about what club everyone else likes. Pick the one that you feel comfortable with.

300 dollars on try outs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the Jesters have a team this year?

Yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son got offers from Primetime, Express North, and tristate, any insights, thoughts comments on which direction to go?

I know you are just looking for advice and thoughts about which club could be the best for you. But unfortunately, only you and your son can answer that question.

Things to think about...especially at this age
- Will my son get the practice time to sharpen skills?
- Will my son see the field a fair amount during games/tournaments?
- Will my son receive strong coaching?
- Will my son play against competition that will make him better?
etc, etc, etc

Recruiting is just around the corner (potentially already starting), don't worry about what club everyone else likes. Pick the one that you feel comfortable with.

Just wondering if people have had any good or bad experiences worth thinking about...they all sound great based on the elevator speech given at tryouts. And yes, close to $300 on tryout fees, wanted to make sure we had a home.

I hear you man, me one try out and then give to St Jude's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son got offers from Primetime, Express North, and tristate, any insights, thoughts comments on which direction to go?

What do you and your son want from the program?

I feel he gets plenty of instruction throughout the year, attends a lot of clinics and trains regularly. That being said, would like to play on a team with top talent playing against the best programs in the country. Obviously want solid coaching and an organization that is run well with good communication.

My son is now going into his fourth year on Prime Time and he absolutely loves it. The coaching is great and the competition is always top notch. This year the schedule shifts to even more competitive recruiting events. Obviously, it all depends on what you and your son are looking for but we couldn't be happier with PT.

Yes Long Island bengals

The Bengals

What are the better fall tournaments for 2021 boys to go to? My son's team is looking to do 3 and I'm looking to see if the ones they choose will be worth it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the better fall tournaments for 2021 boys to go to? My son's team is looking to do 3 and I'm looking to see if the ones they choose will be worth it.

So if the all-knowing experts on here say a tournament is no good, you're not going to let your son play with his team?

Question cannot be answered in a worthwhile way. Tournaments , like teams vary. Some are geared towards top level comp, and some are better suited for b level. if you want to question the tourneys that your team is looking into look ast the sites and look at prior year registrations. then ask 1. do teams return (is it well run) and 2. Are the teams there competitive at my level

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the better fall tournaments for 2021 boys to go to? My son's team is looking to do 3 and I'm looking to see if the ones they choose will be worth it.

So if the all-knowing experts on here say a tournament is no good, you're not going to let your son play with his team?

No, he will play with the team unless he has a conflict with Football. If his HS team is playing too, then he will have to decide which one to go to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question cannot be answered in a worthwhile way. Tournaments , like teams vary. Some are geared towards top level comp, and some are better suited for b level. if you want to question the tourneys that your team is looking into look ast the sites and look at prior year registrations. then ask 1. do teams return (is it well run) and 2. Are the teams there competitive at my level

Thanks for the feedback. They have done the typical local fall tournaments, but are venturing off the Island for one or two this fall. Just wondering which ones are competitive and well run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the better fall tournaments for 2021 boys to go to? My son's team is looking to do 3 and I'm looking to see if the ones they choose will be worth it.

So if the all-knowing experts on here say a tournament is no good, you're not going to let your son play with his team?

No, he will play with the team unless he has a conflict with Football. If his HS team is playing too, then he will have to decide which one to go to.

Wait a minute.... Your 2021 kid is in HS??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the better fall tournaments for 2021 boys to go to? My son's team is looking to do 3 and I'm looking to see if the ones they choose will be worth it.

So if the all-knowing experts on here say a tournament is no good, you're not going to let your son play with his team?

No, he will play with the team unless he has a conflict with Football. If his HS team is playing too, then he will have to decide which one to go to.

Wait a minute.... Your 2021 kid is in HS??

No, but the JV team wants him to play in a fall tournament this year. He played this summer with them, and ran with the varsity for a few games too. I don't think he's ready for varsity, but did really well with the JV.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the better fall tournaments for 2021 boys to go to? My son's team is looking to do 3 and I'm looking to see if the ones they choose will be worth it.

So if the all-knowing experts on here say a tournament is no good, you're not going to let your son play with his team?

No, he will play with the team unless he has a conflict with Football. If his HS team is playing too, then he will have to decide which one to go to.

Wait a minute.... Your 2021 kid is in HS??

No, but the JV team wants him to play in a fall tournament this year. He played this summer with them, and ran with the varsity for a few games too. I don't think he's ready for varsity, but did really well with the JV.

please not another Bay Shore kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the better fall tournaments for 2021 boys to go to? My son's team is looking to do 3 and I'm looking to see if the ones they choose will be worth it.

So if the all-knowing experts on here say a tournament is no good, you're not going to let your son play with his team?

No, he will play with the team unless he has a conflict with Football. If his HS team is playing too, then he will have to decide which one to go to.

Wait a minute.... Your 2021 kid is in HS??

No, but the JV team wants him to play in a fall tournament this year. He played this summer with them, and ran with the varsity for a few games too. I don't think he's ready for varsity, but did really well with the JV.

I'm sorry I asked...

I wonder which school this is. Our school district does not allow 8th grade kids to play JV. Could it be franklin square?

Mount Sinai

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder which school this is. Our school district does not allow 8th grade kids to play JV. Could it be franklin square?

Nope take another guess

WEST ISLIP DOES NOT ALLOW 8th GRADERS TO PLAY VARSITY ONLY JV

The guy is talking about summer and fall ball. Many districts will let or ask younger playets to fill out a roster bc the regulars are away or have conflicts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy is talking about summer and fall ball. Many districts will let or ask younger playets to fill out a roster bc the regulars are away or have conflicts

Enough with the 8th graders playing Varsity. Shame on the HS coach for entertaining that. In past 10 yrs I've seen 2 8th graders that can help the team. Gallasso and kid from Bay Shore. That's it. I'll take my 6'1 180lb senior over an 8th grader anyday. I don't care how crafty he is. They have more then enough time to be on varsity. Let the older kids have their time.

the lacrosse juggernaut, Franklin Square?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder which school this is. Our school district does not allow 8th grade kids to play JV. Could it be franklin square?

There have been 2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the lacrosse juggernaut, Franklin Square?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder which school this is. Our school district does not allow 8th grade kids to play JV. Could it be franklin square?

IROCs and gold chains ....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mount Sinai

Lol, I bet your right!! There is a new Sheriff in that town.

Yeah his 14 year old has dropped down to 2021.too small and getting beat up by the 2020's.is he still age or grade appropriate to play with the bandits or smash?lol

Sweet perm dad is back and ruffling feathers.
Must be slow at the salon.
Hair glistens and smells great though.

As the new Sheriff slowly and strategically manipulates the coaches and takes over to his standards. Put your money on it alot of new faces appear in the district .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mount Sinai

Lol, I bet your right!! There is a new Sheriff in that town.

Both Igloo teams made many changes. Look for Avalanche to be a top three or four team now. Icon will drop out of the top four this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah his 14 year old has dropped down to 2021.too small and getting beat up by the 2020's.is he still age or grade appropriate to play with the bandits or smash?lol

Wrong person

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy is talking about summer and fall ball. Many districts will let or ask younger playets to fill out a roster bc the regulars are away or have conflicts

Enough with the 8th graders playing Varsity. Shame on the HS coach for entertaining that. In past 10 yrs I've seen 2 8th graders that can help the team. Gallasso and kid from Bay Shore. That's it. I'll take my 6'1 180lb senior over an 8th grader anyday. I don't care how crafty he is. They have more then enough time to be on varsity. Let the older kids have their time.

You are wrong to say shame on the coaches, for Bay Shore it works and is necessary. Bay Shore makes a habit of 8th graders playing up and each kid makes the most of it, all playing at the next level. They fit the pieces needed and then some like this years crop, Playing with those 6'1" kids and against them. Just remember Some schools don't have that luxury and are lucky to have them. You may say the are lucky to play varsity I say the school is lucky to hve a ki that can play.

Did Galasso even play a full season in 8th grade or just got pulled up right before playoffs. Lukavic is a better example.

But to say let the older kids have their time is rediculous. Play the better player. You want kids to wait there is always Chaminade and St. Anthony's.

Now if you have only seen 2 then you ain't as much of a follower. Maybe, just maybe you just didn't know they were in 8th grade. Oneill Lukavic Gallasso are 3 for sure but there are more.

Why will Icon drop, they yes they lost their top player, but picked up a few big kids who are solid players who never played travel. They have a very good group of talented players and a very good staff, will be very surprised if the do drop off. The same attack group who are very talented, same def again who are very strong and the same middies (other than the one who left) but picked up a few good big kid ones, and same goalies. They made 3-4 changes that will help.

there are many more. some people just are humble and dont feel the need to throw a parade

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there are many more. some people just are humble and dont feel the need to throw a parade

Interested in the many more.
How many from the years played in 8th.

How many in 2017's played in 8th
2018's
2019's
2020...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why will Icon drop, they yes they lost their top player, but picked up a few big kids who are solid players who never played travel. They have a very good group of talented players and a very good staff, will be very surprised if the do drop off. The same attack group who are very talented, same def again who are very strong and the same middies (other than the one who left) but picked up a few good big kid ones, and same goalies. They made 3-4 changes that will help.

I agree 100% the team will be absolutely fine. While it's fair to admit we actually lost two top middies, we do have depth, the team added some new kids with size, and the rest of the squad is in tact and will be sprouting! Should be an exciting year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the lacrosse juggernaut, Franklin Square?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder which school this is. Our school district does not allow 8th grade kids to play JV. Could it be franklin square?

IROCs and gold chains ....

LI version of Prestige WorldWide

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy is talking about summer and fall ball. Many districts will let or ask younger playets to fill out a roster bc the regulars are away or have conflicts

Enough with the 8th graders playing Varsity. Shame on the HS coach for entertaining that. In past 10 yrs I've seen 2 8th graders that can help the team. Gallasso and kid from Bay Shore. That's it. I'll take my 6'1 180lb senior over an 8th grader anyday. I don't care how crafty he is. They have more then enough time to be on varsity. Let the older kids have their time.

Agreed. My son is a young 8th grader, and is big enough to play varsity. Just too much pressure for a 13 year old to have to run with 18 and in some cases 19 year old players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why will Icon drop, they yes they lost their top player, but picked up a few big kids who are solid players who never played travel. They have a very good group of talented players and a very good staff, will be very surprised if the do drop off. The same attack group who are very talented, same def again who are very strong and the same middies (other than the one who left) but picked up a few good big kid ones, and same goalies. They made 3-4 changes that will help.

I agree 100% the team will be absolutely fine. While it's fair to admit we actually lost two top middies, we do have depth, the team added some new kids with size, and the rest of the squad is in tact and will be sprouting! Should be an exciting year!

Good coaching, and well run team. If I lived near them I would love to have my son try out for that team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why will Icon drop, they yes they lost their top player, but picked up a few big kids who are solid players who never played travel. They have a very good group of talented players and a very good staff, will be very surprised if the do drop off. The same attack group who are very talented, same def again who are very strong and the same middies (other than the one who left) but picked up a few good big kid ones, and same goalies. They made 3-4 changes that will help.

I agree 100% the team will be absolutely fine. While it's fair to admit we actually lost two top middies, we do have depth, the team added some new kids with size, and the rest of the squad is in tact and will be sprouting! Should be an exciting year!

Good coaching, and well run team. If I lived near them I would love to have my son try out for that team.

If? You can always move. Where is your commitment to your son being the best lacrosse player on Long Island. What kind of example are you setting...that it is OK to accept reality!?!? What a shame....horrible parenting

(and before anyone jumps on this....i'm only kidding. slow day in the office and just trying to give a laugh out there to anyone in the same kind of day)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why will Icon drop, they yes they lost their top player, but picked up a few big kids who are solid players who never played travel. They have a very good group of talented players and a very good staff, will be very surprised if the do drop off. The same attack group who are very talented, same def again who are very strong and the same middies (other than the one who left) but picked up a few good big kid ones, and same goalies. They made 3-4 changes that will help.

I agree 100% the team will be absolutely fine. While it's fair to admit we actually lost two top middies, we do have depth, the team added some new kids with size, and the rest of the squad is in tact and will be sprouting! Should be an exciting year!

Good coaching, and well run team. If I lived near them I would love to have my son try out for that team.

If? You can always move. Where is your commitment to your son being the best lacrosse player on Long Island. What kind of example are you setting...that it is OK to accept reality!?!? What a shame....horrible parenting

(and before anyone jumps on this....i'm only kidding. slow day in the office and just trying to give a laugh out there to anyone in the same kind of day)

LMAO. Selling my home in Dix Hills to move to RVC and double my taxes so my kid can play DI Ball!!!!

It appears Both Igloo teams and both 91 teams will be much stronger this year. Express made some nice changes and should have a better defense. It should be a fun year. The gap has closed and many will challenge for that top spot. Maybe all the top Long Island teams will stay on Long Island and play each other before summer.

Anyone have any thoughts on the Elite 80 Fall event? Do you think all those coaches are coming to watch 8th graders?

They are being paid alot-that is why they are there.

It will be we represented by Igloo kids. You can be sure of that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have any thoughts on the Elite 80 Fall event? Do you think all those coaches are coming to watch 8th graders?

YES

Igloo put it together they should get more kids. I'm sure it will be well attended with a good number of the top kids in each class there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Igloo put it together they should get more kids. I'm sure it will be well attended with a good number of the top kids in each class there.

Waste of time, not a recruiting event, and way too expensive! Also, its open to all, so not elite.

Guess your son did not get asked. It is not open to all. Look at the coach's who will be there how much of a waste of time will it be to get some instruction from those guys and get the player in front of them. If you don't think for a moment these colleges coach's are not taking notes of kids in 8th grade but now you don't get. Not saying I agree with at all, but it is what it is. This will be a good thing from the way I see it.

"Guess your son did not get asked" U are a looser. You have to replace your small ego and try and use ur son to make you feel like a big shot. This site was made for people just like you. You most likely live in your parents basement.

Already has waitlist for 2021 midfielders and attack

Wait list ? I thought it was recommendations from your club coach ? Open to all I guess at $380 for the day ?? Are they kidding

Do your homework, the site says 4 attackmen, 6 middies, 2 LSM, 2 Fogos, 4 Defensemen, and 2 Goalies per team. 80 Players max per grade. So play time and exposure will be extremely high. 13 D1 head coaches; coaching and instructing and getting to know your son. My son has gone to other showcases, and I can tell you that no one has a list of coaches like this. So instead of complaining here, don't go; that is your choice, but to say it isn't worth it, is like saying to a one of these to D1 Head coaches hey your not worth 64 dollars a hour. Many of you may pay more for a private lesson. So do your homework before you bash.

This shows that you don't understand the rules... According to the NCAA it has to be open to the public. Do your homework before you bash. You have to know that with this cast of coaches this is going to be well worth it. By the way if your son attends and for some reason talking directly to the Duke coach, or Notre Dame Coach inspires him, because it only takes one moment like that to turn on a light bulb; isn't it worth it..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]"Guess your son did not get asked" U are a looser. You have to replace your small ego and try and use ur son to make you feel like a big shot. This site was made for people just like you. You most likely live in your parents basement.

For good or for bad, there are enough lax parents on LI that don't have to watch how they spend their money . . .

Good for Igloo. These coaches will remember the Igloo name. I'm sure it'll be a First Class operation, one that these coaches will remember when recruiting over the next several years.
Plant the seed.

I have a son who is too young for this event. The recruiting process, if he's even up for it and if he has the skill/ability of course, is a few years away but I am curious about how this works.

Would you mind elaborating on what makes this event different from a typical recruiting event? I'm assuming b/c it's Igloo, price is one factor as that club leads the way on costs but aside from that, is the structure of the event significantly different from other more typical recruiting events?

Finally, you mention prospect days but only if the coach has expressed interest. What is the difference b/w a recruiting event and a 'prospect' day. And, as importantly, how does the coach express interest unless your son has already attended recruiting events and prospect days? It seems a little circular to me.

The clubs give the impression that they are the key to getting your son recruited. This is probably the biggest reason we all (or at least most of us) drive ourselves crazy in August trying to get our boys onto these 'AA' teams. Are clubs not as critical as we are led to believe?

clubs mainly pick kids to win. So size may trump skill and IQ. especially at this age. Sometimes a better all around player will do better at a prospect day then at a TOP tournament where his skill and IQ does not get overshadowed by pure size.

Many times early recruits get committed on the size and you read Raw or once he develops some skills watch out. Many of these kids just cant get on the field in college. Just look up 2013 & 2014 commits and you wont find them on the same college team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good for Igloo. These coaches will remember the Igloo name. I'm sure it'll be a First Class operation, one that these coaches will remember when recruiting over the next several years.
Plant the seed.

Let me guess? Your son plays for Igloo and will be attending the event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do your homework, the site says 4 attackmen, 6 middies, 2 LSM, 2 Fogos, 4 Defensemen, and 2 Goalies per team. 80 Players max per grade. So play time and exposure will be extremely high. 13 D1 head coaches; coaching and instructing and getting to know your son. My son has gone to other showcases, and I can tell you that no one has a list of coaches like this. So instead of complaining here, don't go; that is your choice, but to say it isn't worth it, is like saying to a one of these to D1 Head coaches hey your not worth 64 dollars a hour. Many of you may pay more for a private lesson. So do your homework before you bash.

Of course there will be a wait list. Do you thing that Igloo will not let one of their own make it over a non Igloo player. So that means 12 attack, 18 Middies, 4 LSM, 2 FOGOS, 12 Defense and 4 goalie spots are already taken. So basically 3 teams of Igloo kids, and one team for everyone else. They have every right to do this, and it is a great PR stunt for them, but set your sites realistically. And no, my son hasn't gotten an invite even though he was recommended by his coaches.

All Igloo Players have first come invitation. After that it will be until each grade has 80 players just as someone said earlier. It was described by others above on team make up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All Igloo Players have first come invitation. After that it will be until each grade has 80 players just as someone said earlier. It was described by others above on team make up.

Anyone could sign up, it's not elite....sorry, just another money grad with no recruiting benefit, similar to the event last July in Virginia with 2 tryouts here on LI. If it smells like a fish........

I only put this here because my son is 2021 and a face off kid. The NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel on Tuesday approved a tweak to the faceoff procedure in men�s lacrosse for officials to follow starting with the 2017 season.

The new rule modifies the officiating mechanic used during faceoffs. During the faceoff procedure, game officials will center the ball five inches from the middle of the head of each faceoff player�s stick. The rules proposal, made this summer by the NCAA Men�s Lacrosse Committee, aims to make the officiating mechanic clear and consistent for each faceoff and to enhance the fairness of the faceoff play.

That will be a wrinkle this summer. Most tourneys play NFHS rules (or modified NFHS) so this wont affect the FOGOs. But, some play college rules for some reason and this would be in effect. Junior may have to bounce back and forth between rules each week

It is not anyone can try out. It goes to Igloo only first. Then the leftover spots will be offered to others until it reaches 4 teams of 20. Division 1 Coaches running the drills and explaining what they look for when recruiting. I am Not an Igloo coach and Though my Son made Igloo after tryouts. We Picked a different team. It was explained to me when He made the team. Hope this clears it up

Then don't go. But if you want the chance to get in front of these coaches, then you would go without complaint. And according to NCAA rules registration has to be open to everyone...which it is.

Correct. If people don't like it don't go. It sounds like a great event for older kids. The only thing is the Igloo players should be going for free if the team tuition is truly "all inclusive". To pay close to $4,000 in tuition then pay more for this clearly a money maker. Also most 2021 kids will be wasting money and time especially the Avalanche kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then don't go. But if you want the chance to get in front of these coaches, then you would go without complaint. And according to NCAA rules registration has to be open to everyone...which it is.

We were at the Igloo tryouts also and AA was very clear and upfront about this process. As ,like yourself, we chose a different team , but did get an invite and will happily attend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Correct. If people don't like it don't go. It sounds like a great event for older kids. The only thing is the Igloo players should be going for free if the team tuition is truly "all inclusive". To pay close to $4,000 in tuition then pay more for this clearly a money maker. Also most 2021 kids will be wasting money and time especially the Avalanche kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then don't go. But if you want the chance to get in front of these coaches, then you would go without complaint. And according to NCAA rules registration has to be open to everyone...which it is.

Hey jackoff. You were about your money I'll worry about mine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That will be a wrinkle this summer. Most tourneys play NFHS rules (or modified NFHS) so this wont affect the FOGOs. But, some play college rules for some reason and this would be in effect. Junior may have to bounce back and forth between rules each week

This "rule change" represents no actual change. Do you really think the refs are going out there with a ruler? My son plays in college and says it's essentially the same.

No class response by calling names. We are hoping you are not an Igloo parent. I guess you are frustrated about how it is all turning out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Correct. If people don't like it don't go. It sounds like a great event for older kids. The only thing is the Igloo players should be going for free if the team tuition is truly "all inclusive". To pay close to $4,000 in tuition then pay more for this clearly a money maker. Also most 2021 kids will be wasting money and time especially the Avalanche kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then don't go. But if you want the chance to get in front of these coaches, then you would go without complaint. And according to NCAA rules registration has to be open to everyone...which it is.

Hey jackoff. You were about your money I'll worry about mine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good news for Outlaws. They have be on the bubble for years and will break through with even 2-3 upgrades.

You might be speaking the truth. Shocking on this site. I can't confirm this 100% but from what I hear (via Outlaw Select long time parent- who tends to tell it like it is" says the Team picked up 5 stellar upgrades. 2 starters from Igloo Black ice, 1 from Express wolves, 1 syosset, And 1 top Huntington hockey recruit who is no joke- 5'11, 160 already at 13. If that's true- that's a pretty huge grab for a NXT semifinal team. The majority of these replacements came on defense. They return the same fogo, goalie, midfield, almost all attack and then add these 5 supposedly. The Igloo kids they added are starters - I know one of them- and he's very talented. So- I guess we will confirm it once we hit the first fall tourney and play them.

I will say, my son and I caught the last few minutes of this Outlaws team play at NXT and were impressed the way they beat the Rising Sons. Outlaws were a semi finalist with Igloo, Mesa and **Blaze. Not too shabby. So it definitely does appear they are "close" as you say. Good for them.

I still think they will be a notch below Blaze and Black Ice. Maybe they will join Icon and Express, and those five will be the elite. Maybe Greyhounds turn it around and join them.

I think it's great to have a bunch of teams that are dominant representing LI like we just saw at NXT. ***Blaze proved The best team there. Case closed.

Outlaws also filled up 3 teams in 2021????? Is that correct - a select AA team, a Gold A team and a Black B team. Filled. That's impressive.
And legacy, express- still scrambling to fill up the second teams?

Guess PB was smart to do a board of directors - all active varsity coaches of high schools within the surrounding areas. I usually knock what that toker does. Perhaps 125 college commitments since 2013 speaks for itself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good news for Outlaws. They have be on the bubble for years and will break through with even 2-3 upgrades.

You might be speaking the truth. Shocking on this site. I can't confirm this 100% but from what I hear (via Outlaw Select long time parent- who tends to tell it like it is" says the Team picked up 5 stellar upgrades. 2 starters from Igloo Black ice, 1 from Express wolves, 1 syosset, And 1 top Huntington hockey recruit who is no joke- 5'11, 160 already at 13. If that's true- that's a pretty huge grab for a NXT semifinal team. The majority of these replacements came on defense. They return the same fogo, goalie, midfield, almost all attack and then add these 5 supposedly. The Igloo kids they added are starters - I know one of them- and he's very talented. So- I guess we will confirm it once we hit the first fall tourney and play them.

I will say, my son and I caught the last few minutes of this Outlaws team play at NXT and were impressed the way they beat the Rising Sons. Outlaws were a semi finalist with Igloo, Mesa and **Blaze. Not too shabby. So it definitely does appear they are "close" as you say. Good for them.

I still think they will be a notch below Blaze and Black Ice. Maybe they will join Icon and Express, and those five will be the elite. Maybe Greyhounds turn it around and join them.

I think it's great to have a bunch of teams that are dominant representing LI like we just saw at NXT. ***Blaze proved The best team there. Case closed.

Outlaws also filled up 3 teams in 2021????? Is that correct - a select AA team, a Gold A team and a Black B team. Filled. That's impressive.
And legacy, express- still scrambling to fill up the second teams?

Guess PB was smart to do a board of directors - all active varsity coaches of high schools within the surrounding areas. I usually knock what that toker does. Perhaps 125 college commitments since 2013 speaks for itself.

Yes that is correct. Outlaws have filled 3 teams this year for 2021 and 2022. The Black teams seems to have some talented kids who came over from over programs.

I hear the kid is 6'16" and 270. They fly him in fir games from Lincoln. Crushed by Jefferson, hit by Jefferson, pounced by Jefferson...

My Father is a television repairman, I can fix it

This is OUR time, Mr. Hand.

Nice little scrimmage happening Next Sunday the 16th, 4 teams involved. True Blue, Outlaws, Ambush, and Express North. Farmingdale College. Just an FYI.

Teams should do this more often rather than pay a lot of money for these tournaments where teams are at the fields all day to play the same teams with hours of breaks in between games. The only down fall is that teams tend to back out at the last second for various reasons when they don't have a large deposit on the line. I assume it is the Outlaws Gold team playing. Nice fun way to start the season.

I agree with the above however too many clubs are afraid of damaging their brand and won't play certain teams. Or they will play once and if they get beat never play the, again voluntarily.

Lets focus on Express and how it did not workout for a particular 2020 coach/parent so he is now on the sidelines for the 2021 Express team ,that is just terrible and now he is trying to put his kid on first line and take away from kids who deserve it and are right age .... PATHETIC !!!!!! JS

Looks like outlaws select got the 2021 leftovers. Lost to fl$ and the greyhounds today.great job outlaws

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like outlaws select got the 2021 leftovers. Lost to fl$ and the greyhounds today.great job outlaws

How can they lose to fl$? That doesn't make sense if they picked up all of these great players!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like outlaws select got the 2021 leftovers. Lost to fl$ and the greyhounds today.great job outlaws

How can they lose to fl$? That doesn't make sense if they picked up all of these great players!

didn't some leave other teams to go there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lets focus on Express and how it did not workout for a particular 2020 coach/parent so he is now on the sidelines for the 2021 Express team ,that is just terrible and now he is trying to put his kid on first line and take away from kids who deserve it and are right age .... PATHETIC !!!!!! JS

Amen that someone has called this out quickly! In just a short time it has become apparent that's exactly what's happening here ... It's already become a topic of conversation among both kids and parents, and will quickly become a distraction for a team with so many terrific things going for it. The extra hands on the sidelines are just not worth it, and the team will suffer in performance and morale in the long run. All kids should earn PT based on their own merit. Dad should move across the field and join the rest of the parents.

From the Looks of F.L.G Suffolk ,Theres a complete total money grab , the intentions which is good was to get the east end players to expand the program with good talent and there is nothing wrong with that ! ,the only problem was they didn't really have a good turn out and took anyone who showed . They grabbed whatever they could and the proof no matter what showed by the looks of the final scores yesterday . Good luck keeping this team together. WOW.

As long as they have a quality coach and are developing who cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From the Looks of F.L.G Suffolk ,Theres a complete total money grab , the intentions which is good was to get the east end players to expand the program with good talent and there is nothing wrong with that ! ,the only problem was they didn't really have a good turn out and took anyone who showed . They grabbed whatever they could and the proof no matter what showed by the looks of the final scores yesterday . Good luck keeping this team together. WOW.

He played daddy ball on the 2020 Express and now watch him do it on the 2021 team , our kids on 2021 should not be put in this position because it did not work out for his son , go play your own age group ....

Developing ? 8th grade ?
That's all good if that's what everyone on the team signed up for ! otherwise people come for various different reasons But the ones who sign up because their allstar is prince the almighty competitor .. they will be the unhappy parent once they realize some players are their to develop and could care less about competing .
It happens all the time .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As long as they have a quality coach and are developing who cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From the Looks of F.L.G Suffolk ,Theres a complete total money grab , the intentions which is good was to get the east end players to expand the program with good talent and there is nothing wrong with that ! ,the only problem was they didn't really have a good turn out and took anyone who showed . They grabbed whatever they could and the proof no matter what showed by the looks of the final scores yesterday . Good luck keeping this team together. WOW.

I heard Madlax 2021 killed it at the playday last weekend. Not surprising that every is quiet about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard Madlax 2021 killed it at the playday last weekend. Not surprising that every is quiet about it.

Well tell us who did they play? being they killed it fill us in

On Sunday they beat Leading Edge by one goal and lost to Manhasset by several. Not sure who told you they did well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard Madlax 2021 killed it at the playday last weekend. Not surprising that every is quiet about it.

Who the heck is Madlax 2021?

Yes developing in 8th grade. Do you tbink 8th grade players aredone developing. Even those studs who will commit this year have a ton of developing to do. Many, if most will not play at a college level.
Secondly,Those who want to play competitive and top level should not be looking at a new team at this point. If they went to a new team it is probably bc the could not land a spot on a top team for
Recruiting. If those kids and their parents are pissed at the other boys on their team they should
Lookd in the mirror. Are they as good as they think?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice little scrimmage happening Next Sunday the 16th, 4 teams involved. True Blue, Outlaws, Ambush, and Express North. Farmingdale College. Just an FYI.

The scrimmage was a very positive experience. The cost was ref money and the kids got three very competitive games. Scores? Who knows, I saw kids playing hard and having fun. Any chance these clubs can organize another event like this? Hello coaches... lets do it again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice little scrimmage happening Next Sunday the 16th, 4 teams involved. True Blue, Outlaws, Ambush, and Express North. Farmingdale College. Just an FYI.

The scrimmage was a very positive experience. The cost was ref money and the kids got three very competitive games. Scores? Who knows, I saw kids playing hard and having fun. Any chance these clubs can organize another event like this? Hello coaches... lets do it again.

$10 a boy - can't beat that! I couldn't be there, but heard from another father that it was a great experience also. I know that my son's team is looking to do this every other week until weather goes south, so hopefully that works out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice little scrimmage happening Next Sunday the 16th, 4 teams involved. True Blue, Outlaws, Ambush, and Express North. Farmingdale College. Just an FYI.

The scrimmage was a very positive experience. The cost was ref money and the kids got three very competitive games. Scores? Who knows, I saw kids playing hard and having fun. Any chance these clubs can organize another event like this? Hello coaches... lets do it again.

$10 a boy - can't beat that! I couldn't be there, but heard from another father that it was a great experience also. I know that my son's team is looking to do this every other week until weather goes south, so hopefully that works out.

That sounds awesome, keep posting about the scrimmages. Wish my kids team would do this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice little scrimmage happening Next Sunday the 16th, 4 teams involved. True Blue, Outlaws, Ambush, and Express North. Farmingdale College. Just an FYI.

The scrimmage was a very positive experience. The cost was ref money and the kids got three very competitive games. Scores? Who knows, I saw kids playing hard and having fun. Any chance these clubs can organize another event like this? Hello coaches... lets do it again.

$10 a boy - can't beat that! I couldn't be there, but heard from another father that it was a great experience also. I know that my son's team is looking to do this every other week until weather goes south, so hopefully that works out.

That sounds awesome, keep posting about the scrimmages. Wish my kids team would do this.

It was great for all of the teams involved. They all had fun, the refs kept control, but let the boys play, and everyone got better. Some games were closer than others, but it was really a great experience for the boys.

Someone explain to me how a 2021 can be fifteen years old. Orange crush team was full of 01s and 02s. Does that make 2022 02s and 03s

its called DOUBLE HOLDBACK

This is what is wrong with this sport. Get the ages correct

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone explain to me how a 2021 can be fifteen years old. Orange crush team was full of 01s and 02s. Does that make 2022 02s and 03s

Start school a year late and then holdback......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone explain to me how a 2021 can be fifteen years old. Orange crush team was full of 01s and 02s. Does that make 2022 02s and 03s

Not sure which 2021 team you're talking about, but Crush is a 2020 team - they should all be (late) 01s and 02s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone explain to me how a 2021 can be fifteen years old. Orange crush team was full of 01s and 02s. Does that make 2022 02s and 03s

Start school a year late and then holdback......

Funny, I was speaking to a parent about this on the sideline Sunday. We both agreed that we would rather our boys play up than hold them back. My Son is an October 2003 birthday so if we were outside of NY, he would be a 2022. He will get much more playing against 15 and 16 year old now, so he will be ready to play in HS next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

its called DOUBLE HOLDBACK

And it's ridiculous and sad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

its called DOUBLE HOLDBACK

And it's ridiculous and sad

No it is double ridiculous and double sad!!

is your son a defender because I don't believe an attack and middie being outweighed by 50 pounds lets the player improve at this age. The gap will narrow but right now its not fair for the real aged kid unless he is freakishly big for his age.

Unless he gets hurt by some 15 year old, 6'2", 160 lbs defender....

Welcome to world of youth lacrosse. It's a shame US Lacrosse has no teeth and can't put a stop to this holdback nonsense. The Maryland clubs that draw from the Baltimore private schools are the kings of this scam. Crabs, FCA and Looneys being the biggest offenders. Crabs 2020 roster had a 16 year old on their 8th grade team. wth?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Welcome to world of youth lacrosse. It's a shame US Lacrosse has no teeth and can't put a stop to this holdback nonsense. The Maryland clubs that draw from the Baltimore private schools are the kings of this scam. Crabs, FCA and Looneys being the biggest offenders. Crabs 2020 roster had a 16 year old on their 8th grade team. wth?

Agree 100%. My son is a summer of 03 birthday and plays for a top LI club that more than holds their own. His team of 13 year olds routinely plays other 2021 teams with kids sometimes 1 to 2 years older who are also 2021. The difference between a 13 year old and a 15 year old is can not be understated. When my kid is 15, if he lines up against a 19 year old so be it. At least he will have almost grown to adult height at that point. But right now he is a 13 year olds like most other LI eight graders. LI has kids who are 15 who are in their junior year in high school.........other states have 15 year old eight graders. Youth lacrosse needs to be aged based. In high school, grade is acceptable, but not until then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Welcome to world of youth lacrosse. It's a shame US Lacrosse has no teeth and can't put a stop to this holdback nonsense. The Maryland clubs that draw from the Baltimore private schools are the kings of this scam. Crabs, FCA and Looneys being the biggest offenders. Crabs 2020 roster had a 16 year old on their 8th grade team. wth?

My son played against Looneys last spring @ Blue Hen, and there were literally 7+ boys out starting for them on the opening faceoff that were over 6' Saw pretty much the same thing with all of the teams in that tourney for the 2021 bracket, and that also included a lot of PA teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Welcome to world of youth lacrosse. It's a shame US Lacrosse has no teeth and can't put a stop to this holdback nonsense. The Maryland clubs that draw from the Baltimore private schools are the kings of this scam. Crabs, FCA and Looneys being the biggest offenders. Crabs 2020 roster had a 16 year old on their 8th grade team. wth?

My son played against Looneys last spring @ Blue Hen, and there were literally 7+ boys out starting for them on the opening faceoff that were over 6' Saw pretty much the same thing with all of the teams in that tourney for the 2021 bracket, and that also included a lot of PA teams.

And Looney's 2021 is a very average team.

That's why LI kids dominate the U15 teams, the Pa, Md and Va kids don't make age

Question to those who have been through this before. My son was invited to play in a few tournaments with his JV team. Would you pick the travel team tournament, or the JV tournament if there is a conflict? He isn't on an elite team, he's on a solid A or B team whatever terminology you want to chose.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's why LI kids dominate the U15 teams, the Pa, Md and Va kids don't make age

How can a boy not make age in an age-based tournament??

As someone who was in your shoes send him with your town JV team. My 2019 son played with JV team in fall 2 years ago, ended up starting on his JV team as an 8th grader, then played varsity as a freshman.

If he can make the size/speed adjustment, you will see a quantum leap in his game this season. He must also pass the dopey physical skills test come spring, but I say go for it as middle school lacrosse is practically unwatchable.

No one is watching local 8th grade fall tournaments, don't let your club guilt you. He has a better chance of being seen with the older kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As someone who was in your shoes send him with your town JV team. My 2019 son played with JV team in fall 2 years ago, ended up starting on his JV team as an 8th grader, then played varsity as a freshman.

If he can make the size/speed adjustment, you will see a quantum leap in his game this season. He must also pass the dopey physical skills test come spring, but I say go for it as middle school lacrosse is practically unwatchable.

No one is watching local 8th grade fall tournaments, don't let your club guilt you. He has a better chance of being seen with the older kids.

That is what I was thinking. He is a big boy, so he will match up size wise, and has been doing well playing with them so far.

where is 91 Blaze this weekend ???

Any were Igloo is not playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any were Igloo is not playing.

Aint that the truth

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH That's a good one!!!! Looser

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH That's a good one!!!! Looser

LOL. Looser. Go get an education.

True hurts..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any were Igloo is not playing.

Says the father of Igloo's 8th middie.

Aren't they suppose to be in 8th grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As someone who was in your shoes send him with your town JV team. My 2019 son played with JV team in fall 2 years ago, ended up starting on his JV team as an 8th grader, then played varsity as a freshman.

If he can make the size/speed adjustment, you will see a quantum leap in his game this season. He must also pass the dopey physical skills test come spring, but I say go for it as middle school lacrosse is practically unwatchable.

No one is watching local 8th grade fall tournaments, don't let your club guilt you. He has a better chance of being seen with the older kids.

That is what I was thinking. He is a big boy, so he will match up size wise, and has been doing well playing with them so far.

Skills test changed last year last time the old test was used 2020 was in 7th and 2019 was in 8th. Heard it was easier.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As someone who was in your shoes send him with your town JV team. My 2019 son played with JV team in fall 2 years ago, ended up starting on his JV team as an 8th grader, then played varsity as a freshman.

If he can make the size/speed adjustment, you will see a quantum leap in his game this season. He must also pass the dopey physical skills test come spring, but I say go for it as middle school lacrosse is practically unwatchable.

No one is watching local 8th grade fall tournaments, don't let your club guilt you. He has a better chance of being seen with the older kids.

That is what I was thinking. He is a big boy, so he will match up size wise, and has been doing well playing with them so far.

A couple of things. Is he a potential early recruiting kid? Is he on any D1 radar yet? Is the travel tournament one where he could be seen? If the answer to the first question is no, then play with JV. If it's yes to all three, then play travel. Again, if not early recruiting kid, play with JV. Playing up made my son better in 8th and 9th grade. When he went back to playing on age with travel, he looked like a superstar. He committed to a good D1 program in the early part of 10th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As someone who was in your shoes send him with your town JV team. My 2019 son played with JV team in fall 2 years ago, ended up starting on his JV team as an 8th grader, then played varsity as a freshman.

If he can make the size/speed adjustment, you will see a quantum leap in his game this season. He must also pass the dopey physical skills test come spring, but I say go for it as middle school lacrosse is practically unwatchable.

No one is watching local 8th grade fall tournaments, don't let your club guilt you. He has a better chance of being seen with the older kids.

That is what I was thinking. He is a big boy, so he will match up size wise, and has been doing well playing with them so far.

A couple of things. Is he a potential early recruiting kid? Is he on any D1 radar yet? Is the travel tournament one where he could be seen? If the answer to the first question is no, then play with JV. If it's yes to all three, then play travel. Again, if not early recruiting kid, play with JV. Playing up made my son better in 8th and 9th grade. When he went back to playing on age with travel, he looked like a superstar. He committed to a good D1 program in the early part of 10th grade.

He isn't on anyone's radar as far as I know. He hasn't been picked up by Blaze or Igloo, so I would guess he would have to develop more to be a D1 prospect. He was a backup on his team and is now a starter, and the Varsity coach is really eager to get him into JV to have him ready to play as a Freshman. Thanks for the feedback, I will have to see about the tournament. The JV tournament is at Stony Brook, so I don't think that it is a recruiting one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As someone who was in your shoes send him with your town JV team. My 2019 son played with JV team in fall 2 years ago, ended up starting on his JV team as an 8th grader, then played varsity as a freshman.

If he can make the size/speed adjustment, you will see a quantum leap in his game this season. He must also pass the dopey physical skills test come spring, but I say go for it as middle school lacrosse is practically unwatchable.

No one is watching local 8th grade fall tournaments, don't let your club guilt you. He has a better chance of being seen with the older kids.

That is what I was thinking. He is a big boy, so he will match up size wise, and has been doing well playing with them so far.

A couple of things. Is he a potential early recruiting kid? Is he on any D1 radar yet? Is the travel tournament one where he could be seen? If the answer to the first question is no, then play with JV. If it's yes to all three, then play travel. Again, if not early recruiting kid, play with JV. Playing up made my son better in 8th and 9th grade. When he went back to playing on age with travel, he looked like a superstar. He committed to a good D1 program in the early part of 10th grade.

He isn't on anyone's radar as far as I know. He hasn't been picked up by Blaze or Igloo, so I would guess he would have to develop more to be a D1 prospect. He was a backup on his team and is now a starter, and the Varsity coach is really eager to get him into JV to have him ready to play as a Freshman. Thanks for the feedback, I will have to see about the tournament. The JV tournament is at Stony Brook, so I don't think that it is a recruiting one.

Been there done that. If varsity coach is interested in bringing him up do what you can when you can. Fall/Winter extras just do it. Not to be a kiss [lacrosse] but so your kid get used to the other kids.

But make sure you guys (Coach/Player/parent/AD) are on the same page. Many mis-communications can happen and turn things soar on either your side or theirs. Communication is key.

I am not sure it makes a difference if an early recruiting kid or not. It does however make a difference if you are on one of the top teams in your age and if you are going to recruiting tournaments. You cant miss practice or mis a tournamnet.

High school games and practice always comes first.

Good luck to you, it was a great experience for my son, sure he learned a lot of things before his time but he took it all in stride. Just please know going in JV isnt a be all end all, it is very frustrating (coaching isnt always great refs stink) Depending on the town JV is an extension of PAL dont think it is a majic bullet to amazing play. but enjoy it and make sure it is fun because it is a longer grind than he will be use to both mentally and physically.

PS - big boy meaning what - IMHO if young (MS) gotta be 170lb or above!

is u15 really 2021 or is that 2020/2019

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As someone who was in your shoes send him with your town JV team. My 2019 son played with JV team in fall 2 years ago, ended up starting on his JV team as an 8th grader, then played varsity as a freshman.

If he can make the size/speed adjustment, you will see a quantum leap in his game this season. He must also pass the dopey physical skills test come spring, but I say go for it as middle school lacrosse is practically unwatchable.

No one is watching local 8th grade fall tournaments, don't let your club guilt you. He has a better chance of being seen with the older kids.

That is what I was thinking. He is a big boy, so he will match up size wise, and has been doing well playing with them so far.

A couple of things. Is he a potential early recruiting kid? Is he on any D1 radar yet? Is the travel tournament one where he could be seen? If the answer to the first question is no, then play with JV. If it's yes to all three, then play travel. Again, if not early recruiting kid, play with JV. Playing up made my son better in 8th and 9th grade. When he went back to playing on age with travel, he looked like a superstar. He committed to a good D1 program in the early part of 10th grade.

He isn't on anyone's radar as far as I know. He hasn't been picked up by Blaze or Igloo, so I would guess he would have to develop more to be a D1 prospect. He was a backup on his team and is now a starter, and the Varsity coach is really eager to get him into JV to have him ready to play as a Freshman. Thanks for the feedback, I will have to see about the tournament. The JV tournament is at Stony Brook, so I don't think that it is a recruiting one.

Been there done that. If varsity coach is interested in bringing him up do what you can when you can. Fall/Winter extras just do it. Not to be a kiss [lacrosse] but so your kid get used to the other kids.

But make sure you guys (Coach/Player/parent/AD) are on the same page. Many mis-communications can happen and turn things soar on either your side or theirs. Communication is key.

I am not sure it makes a difference if an early recruiting kid or not. It does however make a difference if you are on one of the top teams in your age and if you are going to recruiting tournaments. You cant miss practice or mis a tournamnet.

High school games and practice always comes first.

Good luck to you, it was a great experience for my son, sure he learned a lot of things before his time but he took it all in stride. Just please know going in JV isnt a be all end all, it is very frustrating (coaching isnt always great refs stink) Depending on the town JV is an extension of PAL dont think it is a majic bullet to amazing play. but enjoy it and make sure it is fun because it is a longer grind than he will be use to both mentally and physically.

PS - big boy meaning what - IMHO if young (MS) gotta be 170lb or above!

"HS always comes first" ok coach whatever you say. I say BS!!! Your SON always comes first, especially if your talking recruiting. HS comes first in the Spring, that's it! You do what is in the best interest of your son, plain and simple. Your HS Coach will get over it. Especially if your son is a D1 level talent. He'll have to come spring, trust me!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

is u15 really 2021 or is that 2020/2019

u15 = under 15, so 14 yo - that would be largely 2020.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's why LI kids dominate the U15 teams, the Pa, Md and Va kids don't make age

How can a boy not make age in an age-based tournament??

The point was they aren't eligible. I would have thought that was evident.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As someone who was in your shoes send him with your town JV team. My 2019 son played with JV team in fall 2 years ago, ended up starting on his JV team as an 8th grader, then played varsity as a freshman.

If he can make the size/speed adjustment, you will see a quantum leap in his game this season. He must also pass the dopey physical skills test come spring, but I say go for it as middle school lacrosse is practically unwatchable.

No one is watching local 8th grade fall tournaments, don't let your club guilt you. He has a better chance of being seen with the older kids.

That is what I was thinking. He is a big boy, so he will match up size wise, and has been doing well playing with them so far.

A couple of things. Is he a potential early recruiting kid? Is he on any D1 radar yet? Is the travel tournament one where he could be seen? If the answer to the first question is no, then play with JV. If it's yes to all three, then play travel. Again, if not early recruiting kid, play with JV. Playing up made my son better in 8th and 9th grade. When he went back to playing on age with travel, he looked like a superstar. He committed to a good D1 program in the early part of 10th grade.

He isn't on anyone's radar as far as I know. He hasn't been picked up by Blaze or Igloo, so I would guess he would have to develop more to be a D1 prospect. He was a backup on his team and is now a starter, and the Varsity coach is really eager to get him into JV to have him ready to play as a Freshman. Thanks for the feedback, I will have to see about the tournament. The JV tournament is at Stony Brook, so I don't think that it is a recruiting one.

Been there done that. If varsity coach is interested in bringing him up do what you can when you can. Fall/Winter extras just do it. Not to be a kiss [lacrosse] but so your kid get used to the other kids.

But make sure you guys (Coach/Player/parent/AD) are on the same page. Many mis-communications can happen and turn things soar on either your side or theirs. Communication is key.

I am not sure it makes a difference if an early recruiting kid or not. It does however make a difference if you are on one of the top teams in your age and if you are going to recruiting tournaments. You cant miss practice or mis a tournamnet.

High school games and practice always comes first.

Good luck to you, it was a great experience for my son, sure he learned a lot of things before his time but he took it all in stride. Just please know going in JV isnt a be all end all, it is very frustrating (coaching isnt always great refs stink) Depending on the town JV is an extension of PAL dont think it is a majic bullet to amazing play. but enjoy it and make sure it is fun because it is a longer grind than he will be use to both mentally and physically.

PS - big boy meaning what - IMHO if young (MS) gotta be 170lb or above!

"HS always comes first" ok coach whatever you say. I say BS!!! Your SON always comes first, especially if your talking recruiting. HS comes first in the Spring, that's it! You do what is in the best interest of your son, plain and simple. Your HS Coach will get over it. Especially if your son is a D1 level talent. He'll have to come spring, trust me!

To clarify (Jack [lacrosse]) HS comes first in season. To the douchey dad that says your son comes first, sure does, and understanding the role each part plays is yours. HS also comes first, in a limited role, in the summer. No, I am not a coach but just trying to help.

You must be a winner at those school games. There is a difference between me me me and team team team!!! i hope you know the difference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As someone who was in your shoes send him with your town JV team. My 2019 son played with JV team in fall 2 years ago, ended up starting on his JV team as an 8th grader, then played varsity as a freshman.

If he can make the size/speed adjustment, you will see a quantum leap in his game this season. He must also pass the dopey physical skills test come spring, but I say go for it as middle school lacrosse is practically unwatchable.

No one is watching local 8th grade fall tournaments, don't let your club guilt you. He has a better chance of being seen with the older kids.

That is what I was thinking. He is a big boy, so he will match up size wise, and has been doing well playing with them so far.

A couple of things. Is he a potential early recruiting kid? Is he on any D1 radar yet? Is the travel tournament one where he could be seen? If the answer to the first question is no, then play with JV. If it's yes to all three, then play travel. Again, if not early recruiting kid, play with JV. Playing up made my son better in 8th and 9th grade. When he went back to playing on age with travel, he looked like a superstar. He committed to a good D1 program in the early part of 10th grade.

He isn't on anyone's radar as far as I know. He hasn't been picked up by Blaze or Igloo, so I would guess he would have to develop more to be a D1 prospect. He was a backup on his team and is now a starter, and the Varsity coach is really eager to get him into JV to have him ready to play as a Freshman. Thanks for the feedback, I will have to see about the tournament. The JV tournament is at Stony Brook, so I don't think that it is a recruiting one.

Been there done that. If varsity coach is interested in bringing him up do what you can when you can. Fall/Winter extras just do it. Not to be a kiss [lacrosse] but so your kid get used to the other kids.

But make sure you guys (Coach/Player/parent/AD) are on the same page. Many mis-communications can happen and turn things soar on either your side or theirs. Communication is key.

I am not sure it makes a difference if an early recruiting kid or not. It does however make a difference if you are on one of the top teams in your age and if you are going to recruiting tournaments. You cant miss practice or mis a tournamnet.

High school games and practice always comes first.

Good luck to you, it was a great experience for my son, sure he learned a lot of things before his time but he took it all in stride. Just please know going in JV isnt a be all end all, it is very frustrating (coaching isnt always great refs stink) Depending on the town JV is an extension of PAL dont think it is a majic bullet to amazing play. but enjoy it and make sure it is fun because it is a longer grind than he will be use to both mentally and physically.

PS - big boy meaning what - IMHO if young (MS) gotta be 170lb or above!

Great advice. I really appreciate all of the input from you fine people. The coach is great, he played for him this summer and in the fall league. They invited him to the winter practices, so he is doing that. Believe it or not, the varisty coach is ok with him missing the tournament, as long as he gets to the indoor this winter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As someone who was in your shoes send him with your town JV team. My 2019 son played with JV team in fall 2 years ago, ended up starting on his JV team as an 8th grader, then played varsity as a freshman.

If he can make the size/speed adjustment, you will see a quantum leap in his game this season. He must also pass the dopey physical skills test come spring, but I say go for it as middle school lacrosse is practically unwatchable.

No one is watching local 8th grade fall tournaments, don't let your club guilt you. He has a better chance of being seen with the older kids.

That is what I was thinking. He is a big boy, so he will match up size wise, and has been doing well playing with them so far.

A couple of things. Is he a potential early recruiting kid? Is he on any D1 radar yet? Is the travel tournament one where he could be seen? If the answer to the first question is no, then play with JV. If it's yes to all three, then play travel. Again, if not early recruiting kid, play with JV. Playing up made my son better in 8th and 9th grade. When he went back to playing on age with travel, he looked like a superstar. He committed to a good D1 program in the early part of 10th grade.

He isn't on anyone's radar as far as I know. He hasn't been picked up by Blaze or Igloo, so I would guess he would have to develop more to be a D1 prospect. He was a backup on his team and is now a starter, and the Varsity coach is really eager to get him into JV to have him ready to play as a Freshman. Thanks for the feedback, I will have to see about the tournament. The JV tournament is at Stony Brook, so I don't think that it is a recruiting one.

Been there done that. If varsity coach is interested in bringing him up do what you can when you can. Fall/Winter extras just do it. Not to be a kiss [lacrosse] but so your kid get used to the other kids.

But make sure you guys (Coach/Player/parent/AD) are on the same page. Many mis-communications can happen and turn things soar on either your side or theirs. Communication is key.

I am not sure it makes a difference if an early recruiting kid or not. It does however make a difference if you are on one of the top teams in your age and if you are going to recruiting tournaments. You cant miss practice or mis a tournamnet.

High school games and practice always comes first.

Good luck to you, it was a great experience for my son, sure he learned a lot of things before his time but he took it all in stride. Just please know going in JV isnt a be all end all, it is very frustrating (coaching isnt always great refs stink) Depending on the town JV is an extension of PAL dont think it is a majic bullet to amazing play. but enjoy it and make sure it is fun because it is a longer grind than he will be use to both mentally and physically.

PS - big boy meaning what - IMHO if young (MS) gotta be 170lb or above!

Great advice. I really appreciate all of the input from you fine people. The coach is great, he played for him this summer and in the fall league. They invited him to the winter practices, so he is doing that. Believe it or not, the varisty coach is ok with him missing the tournament, as long as he gets to the indoor this winter.

Awesome good luck. Communication is the key!

Avalanche is supposed to be a top team? Didn't look like it yesterday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Avalanche is supposed to be a top team? Didn't look like it yesterday

The Avalanche has fallen in a massive slide, it's only a matter of time before it completely melts.

Last year they were a B plus team to A minus team. Yesterday they looked like a solid B team. The team made many changes so you have to give them time. They should get back to where they were last year but yesterday they did not look good at all. They struggled against teams they would have beat by ten last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Avalanche is supposed to be a top team? Didn't look like it yesterday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year they were a B plus team to A minus team. Yesterday they looked like a solid B team. The team made many changes so you have to give them time. They should get back to where they were last year but yesterday they did not look good at all. They struggled against teams they would have beat by ten last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Avalanche is supposed to be a top team? Didn't look like it yesterday

Who is 2way? Avalanche should have walked away with this division. Did they lose players? I heard a few went to Ambush and Express

Is it true this Fall 2021Greyhounds and Express have been playing with a few 2020 kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true this Fall 2021Greyhounds and Express have been playing with a few 2020 kids?

. I know the Greyhounds have at least 3 kids who were held back this year. I can confirm 2 kids from Taz and one from Crush who now play with them. I'm not sure if there are others or if there are any 2020 kids playing with them. They have a lot of talent but don't seem to be playing well this fall. I think that's what happens when you keep changing your roster every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year they were a B plus team to A minus team. Yesterday they looked like a solid B team. The team made many changes so you have to give them time. They should get back to where they were last year but yesterday they did not look good at all. They struggled against teams they would have beat by ten last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Avalanche is supposed to be a top team? Didn't look like it yesterday

Who is 2way? Avalanche should have walked away with this division. Did they lose players? I heard a few went to Ambush and Express

a new/good program out of Ct

So there's a "10th" grader playing for Blaze/Crush he has a habit of being held back , lol....He will be driving his grade appropriate 2021 teammates to away tournaments when he enters the High school setting , but no one post about that.. LMFAO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So there's a "10th" grader playing for Blaze/Crush he has a habit of being held back , lol....He will be driving his grade appropriate 2021 teammates to away tournaments when he enters the High school setting , but no one post about that.. LMFAO

I think that's known as the double holdback!

Hearing they are encouraging the Holdback or double holdback and then some as part of the criteria for the New Improved Bandits. Crazy thing is the parents would actually consider if the coach recommended.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So there's a "10th" grader playing for Blaze/Crush he has a habit of being held back , lol....He will be driving his grade appropriate 2021 teammates to away tournaments when he enters the High school setting , but no one post about that.. LMFAO

I think that's known as the double holdback!

2Way 2021 is a B level team, they won the "A" at Blatant because it was really a "B" level bracket but it makes parents feel better to think they are actually paying/playing top level teams!
The AA bracket was won by Black Ice in a truly top level bracket, it was fun to watch lacrosse at that level!

What do you guys think about the Express vs Black ice games. Only one goal games. Fluke or no?

Whether or not the legacy and express kids really re-classed, these teams have no issue calling a 9th grader who is born after 9/1/02 a 2021 player because of the USL date.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do you guys think about the Express vs Black ice games. Only one goal games. Fluke or no?

Is'nt that a fish

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do you guys think about the Express vs Black ice games. Only one goal games. Fluke or no?

Black ice looked very good not exceptional... (missing kids?)

Express is a good team that got better. Igloo struggled offensively. They should continue to have competitive games going forward.

Igloo will improve, believe me, sometimes the offense takes a bit longer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Igloo will improve, believe me, sometimes the offense takes a bit longer.

Express playing 2 one goal games against Igloo is a huge statement even though this is only the fall. They have improved dramatically. No doubt Igloo will improve offensively once the new additions become comfortable with the O. Igloo is still the best 2021 team in the country. How did the face-off battle go between Express and Igloo? From what I understand Igloo has recruited an outstanding FOGO from Texas. FO kid flying in during the weekends to play. Seems extreme, but will pay off for Igloo in the long run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Igloo will improve, believe me, sometimes the offense takes a bit longer.

Express playing 2 one goal games against Igloo is a huge statement even though this is only the fall. They have improved dramatically. No doubt Igloo will improve offensively once the new additions become comfortable with the O. Igloo is still the best 2021 team in the country. How did the face-off battle go between Express and Igloo? From what I understand Igloo has recruited an outstanding FOGO from Texas. FO kid flying in during the weekends to play. Seems extreme, but will pay off for Igloo in the long run.

Holdback?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Igloo will improve, believe me, sometimes the offense takes a bit longer.

Express playing 2 one goal games against Igloo is a huge statement even though this is only the fall. They have improved dramatically. No doubt Igloo will improve offensively once the new additions become comfortable with the O. Igloo is still the best 2021 team in the country. How did the face-off battle go between Express and Igloo? From what I understand Igloo has recruited an outstanding FOGO from Texas. FO kid flying in during the weekends to play. Seems extreme, but will pay off for Igloo in the long run.

Holdback?

No, not by Texas grade/age cutoff.

I Guess the coach of the holdback on express did not like the result at the 2020 level so he is seeing what he can do on 2021 , my thought not going to work either

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Igloo will improve, believe me, sometimes the offense takes a bit longer.

Express playing 2 one goal games against Igloo is a huge statement even though this is only the fall. They have improved dramatically. No doubt Igloo will improve offensively once the new additions become comfortable with the O. Igloo is still the best 2021 team in the country. How did the face-off battle go between Express and Igloo? From what I understand Igloo has recruited an outstanding FOGO from Texas. FO kid flying in during the weekends to play. Seems extreme, but will pay off for Igloo in the long run.

Holdback?

No, not by Texas grade/age cutoff.

Wasn't fully impressed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Igloo will improve, believe me, sometimes the offense takes a bit longer.

Express playing 2 one goal games against Igloo is a huge statement even though this is only the fall. They have improved dramatically. No doubt Igloo will improve offensively once the new additions become comfortable with the O. Igloo is still the best 2021 team in the country. How did the face-off battle go between Express and Igloo? From what I understand Igloo has recruited an outstanding FOGO from Texas. FO kid flying in during the weekends to play. Seems extreme, but will pay off for Igloo in the long run.

This kind of thing is so ridiculous. It is bad enough to have these national teams, but kids flying in to play for local teams is way over the top.

Avalanche will be fine.

With that said, if the program does not treat them like a second thought and gives the attention to this team and every other (2nd Team) that needs it it will continue to build a great foundation of kids and people.

If this year they ignore this team with recruiting in full swing next year, I can only assume you will find many more that leave. That will begin the trend filtering down to the younger years that if you are not on their top team then go play for another top team. If this program wants (2) teams in every age to be really competitive then you need to work hard to make that a reality.

You also see how the Super Team was built and the mistake that was. They should have kept 2 teams and embrace that healthy competition. The ego's of the coaches and the parents were too big and the compromise is not producing the results they would have expected.

Learn from the other program's mistakes and dare to be different.

Does anyone know what the last part of that post means? What Super Team? Kept two teams? What program is being referenced?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So there's a "10th" grader playing for Blaze/Crush he has a habit of being held back , lol....He will be driving his grade appropriate 2021 teammates to away tournaments when he enters the High school setting , but no one post about that.. LMFAO

What an embarrassing joke; a 15 yr old playing 2021. UI

that is terrible ..... the parents should be proud .... this is not the kids fault this is the PARENTS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that is terrible ..... the parents should be proud .... this is not the kids fault this is the PARENTS

Its a joke....It completely invalidates anything this team wins and accomplishes!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that is terrible ..... the parents should be proud .... this is not the kids fault this is the PARENTS

Its a joke....It completely invalidates anything this team wins and accomplishes!

My two cents on the holdback issue: I've seen my son play down last year and he looked like Paul Rabil. When he is playing on age in 2021 he is just a very solid B team player/weak A team player. I can only imaging what the disparity and false sense of accomplishment would be if he did that playing down TWO years!

My 15 year old is a 2019 grad. 2021? Everyone involved should be ashamed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 15 year old is a 2019 grad. 2021? Everyone involved should be ashamed.

No one who does it is ashamed or they wouldn't have done it in the first place. And if their kid gets recruited there is no other justification required. It's wrong but ultimately motived by parents who want to elevate their kids whether that just means being "the best" or getting them into a college that may have otherwise been unattainable.

The shame should be on the college coaches and the NCAA. That's where all this nonsense starts and ends.

I say we get Bob Creamer to hire some guys to act like red cup drinking lacrosse dads and just have them verbally abuse the hold back kids parents under the tent every tournament. Lol

Taking short cuts for short term success does not always work. There many psychological studies that show severe negative psychological problems for kids held back especially if held back for sports. Parents have to make choices. One must hope that the right medical and educational people are consulted before a kid is held back. One must also hope parents are not going by what a lacrosse coach thinks when holding a kid back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 15 year old is a 2019 grad. 2021? Everyone involved should be ashamed.

No one who does it is ashamed or they wouldn't have done it in the first place. And if their kid gets recruited there is no other justification required. It's wrong but ultimately motived by parents who want to elevate their kids whether that just means being "the best" or getting them into a college that may have otherwise been unattainable.

The shame should be on the college coaches and the NCAA. That's where all this nonsense starts and ends.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that is terrible ..... the parents should be proud .... this is not the kids fault this is the PARENTS

Its a joke....It completely invalidates anything this team wins and accomplishes!

My two cents on the holdback issue: I've seen my son play down last year and he looked like Paul Rabil. When he is playing on age in 2021 he is just a very solid B team player/weak A team player. I can only imaging what the disparity and false sense of accomplishment would be if he did that playing down TWO years!

My kid is playing two years older this fall, and is getting better. When he plays with kids his age, he dominates. That is what you should be doing, pushing your kid to work harder, not making his competition weaker.

Why would he play 2 years up?
Why would 2019 want a 2021?

Unless he is playing with a mix of jv players at various ages. IM guessing he's not the only 2021 on the 2019 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that is terrible ..... the parents should be proud .... this is not the kids fault this is the PARENTS

Its a joke....It completely invalidates anything this team wins and accomplishes!

My two cents on the holdback issue: I've seen my son play down last year and he looked like Paul Rabil. When he is playing on age in 2021 he is just a very solid B team player/weak A team player. I can only imaging what the disparity and false sense of accomplishment would be if he did that playing down TWO years!

My kid is playing two years older this fall, and is getting better. When he plays with kids his age, he dominates. That is what you should be doing, pushing your kid to work harder, not making his competition weaker.

Exactly. That will pay off big in the future. Forget the pretenders!

Not true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would he play 2 years up?
Why would 2019 want a 2021?

Unless he is playing with a mix of jv players at various ages. IM guessing he's not the only 2021 on the 2019 team

Because it's not true and if it is it is for a doormat club team that needs that Very very very few play up in good club lacrosse they can get by with some of the bad clubs but good club lacrosse Not a chance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would he play 2 years up?
Why would 2019 want a 2021?

Unless he is playing with a mix of jv players at various ages. IM guessing he's not the only 2021 on the 2019 team

Because it's not true and if it is it is for a doormat club team that needs that Very very very few play up in good club lacrosse they can get by with some of the bad clubs but good club lacrosse Not a chance

This is an issue. In towns with "weaker" programs, these parents get all starry eyed that the varsity coach is courting their 2021 and wants them to practice with varsity and play summer with JV. It's great I get it. But if your son isn't on the best team in 2021, it's not the real deal. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad your son is doing great. Just don't get him hurt.

This is true, there are a small percent that actually play up. The coaches have enormous respect for this group. It happens on the big clubs. Want your kid to develop quick, this is the way to go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would he play 2 years up?
Why would 2019 want a 2021?

Unless he is playing with a mix of jv players at various ages. IM guessing he's not the only 2021 on the 2019 team

Because it's not true and if it is it is for a doormat club team that needs that Very very very few play up in good club lacrosse they can get by with some of the bad clubs but good club lacrosse Not a chance

This is an issue. In towns with "weaker" programs, these parents get all starry eyed that the varsity coach is courting their 2021 and wants them to practice with varsity and play summer with JV. It's great I get it. But if your son isn't on the best team in 2021, it's not the real deal. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad your son is doing great. Just don't get him hurt.

He is playing with his JV team, and playing against some really good JV teams. He will probably play JV this spring. If I go by the hold back crew, he is really playing 3 years up because he is a late fall 03 birthday. He is doing well in school, and is going to graduate with his friends. He is having fun with his Travel Team, and is looking forward to school ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would he play 2 years up?
Why would 2019 want a 2021?

Unless he is playing with a mix of jv players at various ages. IM guessing he's not the only 2021 on the 2019 team

Because it's not true and if it is it is for a doormat club team that needs that Very very very few play up in good club lacrosse they can get by with some of the bad clubs but good club lacrosse Not a chance

This is an issue. In towns with "weaker" programs, these parents get all starry eyed that the varsity coach is courting their 2021 and wants them to practice with varsity and play summer with JV. It's great I get it. But if your son isn't on the best team in 2021, it's not the real deal. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad your son is doing great. Just don't get him hurt.

Don't worry. He's one of the bigger kids on the team. Not a powerhouse town, but respectable. I have no illusions. He hasn't cracked the AA teams that he tried out for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] Why would he play 2 years up?
Why would 2019 want a 2021?

Unless he is playing with a mix of jv players at various ages. IM guessing he's not the only 2021 on the 2019 team

Because it's not true and if it is it is for a doormat club team that needs that Very very very few play up in good club lacrosse they can get by with some of the bad clubs but good club lacrosse Not a chance [/quote

This is an issue. In towns with "weaker" programs, these parents get all starry eyed that the varsity coach is courting their 2021 and wants them to practice with varsity and play summer with JV. It's great I get it. But if your son isn't on the best team in 2021, it's not the real deal. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad your son is doing great. Just don't get him hurt.

He is playing with his JV team, and playing against some really good JV teams. He will probably play JV this spring. If I go by the hold back crew, he is really playing 3 years up because he is a late fall 03 birthday. He is doing well in school, and is going to graduate with his friends. He is having fun with his Travel Team, and is looking forward to school ball.

Hate to burst your bubble but there are no really good JV teams on LI. Most schools now bring up the best freshman and Sophs up to varsity. JV is a joke.

In many towns that are not the hotbed districts a good 8th grader (not even great) will benefit from JV ball. Doesnt even have to be playing against really good Jv teams.
You are right, there isnt much if any great JV lacrosse. many of the rising stars are brought up. But on the other hand, there isnt any good middle school lacrosse. This is where he would be. Between the putrid competition with the scheduling and the 5 quarters and the general lack of qualified or sufficient coaching at this level, the lacrosse sucks. Let him play faster with a longer season and better competition on JV.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] Why would he play 2 years up?
Why would 2019 want a 2021?

Unless he is playing with a mix of jv players at various ages. IM guessing he's not the only 2021 on the 2019 team

Because it's not true and if it is it is for a doormat club team that needs that Very very very few play up in good club lacrosse they can get by with some of the bad clubs but good club lacrosse Not a chance [/quote

This is an issue. In towns with "weaker" programs, these parents get all starry eyed that the varsity coach is courting their 2021 and wants them to practice with varsity and play summer with JV. It's great I get it. But if your son isn't on the best team in 2021, it's not the real deal. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad your son is doing great. Just don't get him hurt.

He is playing with his JV team, and playing against some really good JV teams. He will probably play JV this spring. If I go by the hold back crew, he is really playing 3 years up because he is a late fall 03 birthday. He is doing well in school, and is going to graduate with his friends. He is having fun with his Travel Team, and is looking forward to school ball.

Hate to burst your bubble but there are no really good JV teams on LI. Most schools now bring up the best freshman and Sophs up to varsity. JV is a joke.

That's not always true. In the big lacrosse schools like WM, Smithtown, Maybe some others based on year, there is so much upperclass talent that a very good freshman may not get to play much if on Varsity. Would be much better off actually playing on JV and then brought up for post season. Many schools alllow the better JV players practice with Varsity

Blaze and Outlaws did well this past weekend in Delaware. How was the competition, seems like Steps is a competitive program.

Blaze & Ambush did well. Winning there championship games in the tournaments that they were in. 2021 program is looking good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze & Ambush did well. Winning there championship games in the tournaments that they were in. 2021 program is looking good.

Especially since Blaze has a 2 yr holdback who is a 15 years old playing 2021, what a farce, kid should be a'19

Okay, Team 91 Blaze was obviously the best but Looneys 2021 should've and easily could've beat the Long Island Outlaws, the are not that impressive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze & Ambush did well. Winning there championship games in the tournaments that they were in. 2021 program is looking good.

Especially since Blaze has a 2 yr holdback who is a 15 years old playing 2021, what a farce, kid should be a'19

Ridiculous! Good job to that organization acting in an ethical manor that promotes fair play!

Yes looney should have beat the outlaws, but they didn't. Excellent game and the outlaws came back from a 4-1 halftime deficit to win in OT.

Great game and both teams played hard.

Blaze definitely in a class by themselves in talent, hold backs and dirty play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze & Ambush did well. Winning there championship games in the tournaments that they were in. 2021 program is looking good.

Especially since Blaze has a 2 yr holdback who is a 15 years old playing 2021, what a farce, kid should be a'19

Unfortunately every team has hold backs now. Your son's team does too. I don't agree with it but it is reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze & Ambush did well. Winning there championship games in the tournaments that they were in. 2021 program is looking good.

Especially since Blaze has a 2 yr holdback who is a 15 years old playing 2021, what a farce, kid should be a'19

Unfortunately every team has hold backs now. Your son's team does too. I don't agree with it but it is reality.

Holdbacks yes but not double holdbacks...pathetic!! Kid should be a sophomore in HS but instead "dominating" eighth graders...great job parenting Mom and Dad!! Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze & Ambush did well. Winning there championship games in the tournaments that they were in. 2021 program is looking good.

Especially since Blaze has a 2 yr holdback who is a 15 years old playing 2021, what a farce, kid should be a'19

Why would you want your 15 yr old play against 13 yr olds? He should play up to get better and play at school year for the school only. Unless playing at age makes him look bad. Oh wait that is it his parents have him play 2 years down so he can look good. Now that is sad.

This is great a double hold back look at the pictures of the kids with the championship this past weekend . It is really funny to see.... the coaches maybe should suit up this weekend if they still have eligibility.... What ARE YOU TEACHING YOUR KIDS !!!!! Parents on that team with kids of right age you will never get a fair shake !!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWFUL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze & Ambush did well. Winning there championship games in the tournaments that they were in. 2021 program is looking good.

Especially since Blaze has a 2 yr holdback who is a 15 years old playing 2021, what a farce, kid should be a'19

Unfortunately every team has hold backs now. Your son's team does too. I don't agree with it but it is reality.

Holdbacks yes but not double holdbacks...pathetic!! Kid should be a sophomore in HS but instead "dominating" eighth graders...great job parenting Mom and Dad!! Lol

A hold back is a hold back.....1 month, or 1, 2 years it does not matter. A cheater is a cheater whether it is by a little or a lot.

HERE IS A FACT .... YOU CAN HOLDBACK ALL YOU WANT BUT IF YOU DONT GROW IT DOES NOT MATTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FACT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze & Ambush did well. Winning there championship games in the tournaments that they were in. 2021 program is looking good.

Especially since Blaze has a 2 yr holdback who is a 15 years old playing 2021, what a farce, kid should be a'19

Unfortunately every team has hold backs now. Your son's team does too. I don't agree with it but it is reality.

Holdbacks yes but not double holdbacks...pathetic!! Kid should be a sophomore in HS but instead "dominating" eighth graders...great job parenting Mom and Dad!! Lol

A hold back is a hold back.....1 month, or 1, 2 years it does not matter. A cheater is a cheater whether it is by a little or a lot.

You are absolutely correct! It's just the double holdback thing is so pathetic...I just can't wrap my brain around it. Talent plays up not down. I would think it's got to be a bit humiliating for the kid because it just was not necessary. The championship pic should be framed and hung up as a reminder of what cheating looks like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is great a double hold back look at the pictures of the kids with the championship this past weekend . It is really funny to see.... the coaches maybe should suit up this weekend if they still have eligibility.... What ARE YOU TEACHING YOUR KIDS !!!!! Parents on that team with kids of right age you will never get a fair shake !!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWFUL

Organization should be ashamed!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is great a double hold back look at the pictures of the kids with the championship this past weekend . It is really funny to see.... the coaches maybe should suit up this weekend if they still have eligibility.... What ARE YOU TEACHING YOUR KIDS !!!!! Parents on that team with kids of right age you will never get a fair shake !!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWFUL

Organization should be ashamed!

The parents should be ashamed too!! Their kid won't be known for how good of a player he is now. He will be known as the double-holdback cheater. So sad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] Why would he play 2 years up?
Why would 2019 want a 2021?

Unless he is playing with a mix of jv players at various ages. IM guessing he's not the only 2021 on the 2019 team

Because it's not true and if it is it is for a doormat club team that needs that Very very very few play up in good club lacrosse they can get by with some of the bad clubs but good club lacrosse Not a chance [/quote

This is an issue. In towns with "weaker" programs, these parents get all starry eyed that the varsity coach is courting their 2021 and wants them to practice with varsity and play summer with JV. It's great I get it. But if your son isn't on the best team in 2021, it's not the real deal. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad your son is doing great. Just don't get him hurt.

He is playing with his JV team, and playing against some really good JV teams. He will probably play JV this spring. If I go by the hold back crew, he is really playing 3 years up because he is a late fall 03 birthday. He is doing well in school, and is going to graduate with his friends. He is having fun with his Travel Team, and is looking forward to school ball.

Hate to burst your bubble but there are no really good JV teams on LI. Most schools now bring up the best freshman and Sophs up to varsity. JV is a joke.

That's not always true. In the big lacrosse schools like WM, Smithtown, Maybe some others based on year, there is so much upperclass talent that a very good freshman may not get to play much if on Varsity. Would be much better off actually playing on JV and then brought up for post season. Many schools alllow the better JV players practice with Varsity

I would agree. My top 20 D1 program committed son was a Freshman last season and didn't play much. He should have played JV, gotten to actually play and have some fun. Instead they played the upper classmen, coaches choice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is great a double hold back look at the pictures of the kids with the championship this past weekend . It is really funny to see.... the coaches maybe should suit up this weekend if they still have eligibility.... What ARE YOU TEACHING YOUR KIDS !!!!! Parents on that team with kids of right age you will never get a fair shake !!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWFUL

Organization should be ashamed!

The parents should be ashamed too!! Their kid won't be known for how good of a player he is now. He will be known as the double-holdback cheater. So sad!

While not ethical , the kid is small for his age. Great family great kid and trust me no one works harder and puts in more time then him. Let's not kill him because you don't know them. He's played "up " or of age according to some since he's been playing. Maybe just looking for a size balance.

give me a break!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is great a double hold back look at the pictures of the kids with the championship this past weekend . It is really funny to see.... the coaches maybe should suit up this weekend if they still have eligibility.... What ARE YOU TEACHING YOUR KIDS !!!!! Parents on that team with kids of right age you will never get a fair shake !!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWFUL

Organization should be ashamed!

The parents should be ashamed too!! Their kid won't be known for how good of a player he is now. He will be known as the double-holdback cheater. So sad!

While not ethical , the kid is small for his age. Great family great kid and trust me no one works harder and puts in more time then him. Let's not kill him because you don't know them. He's played "up " or of age according to some since he's been playing. Maybe just looking for a size balance.

Tough SH**...... Maybe it isn't meant to be. Good Family, Good Kid, blah, blah, blah...Who cares. The one thing you cannot control is size. Deal with it. The moral, if there was any, must be gone on this team. How do the established, OF AGE, players take this as they barely play now. You cannot qualify this team as a 2021. I don't care how you spin it!

I know the Outlaws were missing many starter on offense. I'm sure all teams were missing kids. It does not matter because it is Fall. That is why you get inconsistent results from week to week. The only thing that is consistent is that Blaze at NXT up until now has been running over everyone with lopsided wins. Ambush is also looking good but winning at B to B plus level tournaments and fighting hard for those championships winning by one goal. I for one think that Ambush is an A to AA team but they need to play better teams more often to prove it. Anyone who thinks the Fall is an indication of how the Spring and Summer will turn out has no clue. Last Fall EVERYONE was saying Blaze and Express were finished and they may have even dropped to the B ranks. Look how last season ended for those teams. Blaze was the best team and Express was third best. Outlaws had a weak Fall last year but finished strong. Ambush looked strong in the Fall but could have done better in the summer against questionable teams. Fall is to play with what ever players you have that show up to identify weaknesses and fix them in the Winter to get ready for Spring. These scores mean nothing. One thing that is certain is that Black Ice/Blaze game is going to be great. When will it be?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes looney should have beat the outlaws, but they didn't. Excellent game and the outlaws came back from a 4-1 halftime deficit to win in OT.

Great game and both teams played hard.

Blaze definitely in a class by themselves in talent, hold backs and dirty play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know the Outlaws were missing many starter on offense. I'm sure all teams were missing kids. It does not matter because it is Fall. That is why you get inconsistent results from week to week. The only thing that is consistent is that Blaze at NXT up until now has been running over everyone with lopsided wins. Ambush is also looking good but winning at B to B plus level tournaments and fighting hard for those championships winning by one goal. I for one think that Ambush is an A to AA team but they need to play better teams more often to prove it. Anyone who thinks the Fall is an indication of how the Spring and Summer will turn out has no clue. Last Fall EVERYONE was saying Blaze and Express were finished and they may have even dropped to the B ranks. Look how last season ended for those teams. Blaze was the best team and Express was third best. Outlaws had a weak Fall last year but finished strong. Ambush looked strong in the Fall but could have done better in the summer against questionable teams. Fall is to play with what ever players you have that show up to identify weaknesses and fix them in the Winter to get ready for Spring. These scores mean nothing. One thing that is certain is that Black Ice/Blaze game is going to be great. When will it be?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes looney should have beat the outlaws, but they didn't. Excellent game and the outlaws came back from a 4-1 halftime deficit to win in OT.

Great game and both teams played hard.

Blaze definitely in a class by themselves in talent, hold backs and dirty play.

Not sure if Ambush would compete at AA. They may be on par with Outlaws Select and other A teams, but would not be able to beat Blaze or Black Ice. They got beat by Express last year, but they are both different teams this year. I don't think that the organization would put Ambush and Blaze in the same bracket in the same tournament, so we may never know. I do agree that fall ball is tough to go by, many are playing football, and are missing the tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know the Outlaws were missing many starter on offense. I'm sure all teams were missing kids. It does not matter because it is Fall. That is why you get inconsistent results from week to week. The only thing that is consistent is that Blaze at NXT up until now has been running over everyone with lopsided wins. Ambush is also looking good but winning at B to B plus level tournaments and fighting hard for those championships winning by one goal. I for one think that Ambush is an A to AA team but they need to play better teams more often to prove it. Anyone who thinks the Fall is an indication of how the Spring and Summer will turn out has no clue. Last Fall EVERYONE was saying Blaze and Express were finished and they may have even dropped to the B ranks. Look how last season ended for those teams. Blaze was the best team and Express was third best. Outlaws had a weak Fall last year but finished strong. Ambush looked strong in the Fall but could have done better in the summer against questionable teams. Fall is to play with what ever players you have that show up to identify weaknesses and fix them in the Winter to get ready for Spring. These scores mean nothing. One thing that is certain is that Black Ice/Blaze game is going to be great. When will it be?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes looney should have beat the outlaws, but they didn't. Excellent game and the outlaws came back from a 4-1 halftime deficit to win in OT.

Great game and both teams played hard.

Blaze definitely in a class by themselves in talent, hold backs and dirty play.

Enough with the holdbacks being cheating. It is the rules, so it isn't cheating. It sucks, especially since my kid just turned 13, and has to compete against 15 year olds to make the better teams, but it is what it is. All of the AA teams have them.

Ambush beat Outlaws Gold 8-7 and 5-4 this past weekend. Either team could have won those games. Those are not over welling wins. They need to play better teams more often. We will never be able to tell how good or bad they really are until they play an entire year in AA or even A tournaments. The tournaments they played in so far this season were B tournaments even if they played and beat a couple of A teams as well. They are a good team and deserve to be playing better teams than what they have been playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know the Outlaws were missing many starter on offense. I'm sure all teams were missing kids. It does not matter because it is Fall. That is why you get inconsistent results from week to week. The only thing that is consistent is that Blaze at NXT up until now has been running over everyone with lopsided wins. Ambush is also looking good but winning at B to B plus level tournaments and fighting hard for those championships winning by one goal. I for one think that Ambush is an A to AA team but they need to play better teams more often to prove it. Anyone who thinks the Fall is an indication of how the Spring and Summer will turn out has no clue. Last Fall EVERYONE was saying Blaze and Express were finished and they may have even dropped to the B ranks. Look how last season ended for those teams. Blaze was the best team and Express was third best. Outlaws had a weak Fall last year but finished strong. Ambush looked strong in the Fall but could have done better in the summer against questionable teams. Fall is to play with what ever players you have that show up to identify weaknesses and fix them in the Winter to get ready for Spring. These scores mean nothing. One thing that is certain is that Black Ice/Blaze game is going to be great. When will it be?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes looney should have beat the outlaws, but they didn't. Excellent game and the outlaws came back from a 4-1 halftime deficit to win in OT.

Great game and both teams played hard.

Blaze definitely in a class by themselves in talent, hold backs and dirty play.

Not sure if Ambush would compete at AA. They may be on par with Outlaws Select and other A teams, but would not be able to beat Blaze or Black Ice. They got beat by Express last year, but they are both different teams this year. I don't think that the organization would put Ambush and Blaze in the same bracket in the same tournament, so we may never know. I do agree that fall ball is tough to go by, many are playing football, and are missing the tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] Why would he play 2 years up?
Why would 2019 want a 2021?

Unless he is playing with a mix of jv players at various ages. IM guessing he's not the only 2021 on the 2019 team

Because it's not true and if it is it is for a doormat club team that needs that Very very very few play up in good club lacrosse they can get by with some of the bad clubs but good club lacrosse Not a chance [/quote

This is an issue. In towns with "weaker" programs, these parents get all starry eyed that the varsity coach is courting their 2021 and wants them to practice with varsity and play summer with JV. It's great I get it. But if your son isn't on the best team in 2021, it's not the real deal. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad your son is doing great. Just don't get him hurt.

He is playing with his JV team, and playing against some really good JV teams. He will probably play JV this spring. If I go by the hold back crew, he is really playing 3 years up because he is a late fall 03 birthday. He is doing well in school, and is going to graduate with his friends. He is having fun with his Travel Team, and is looking forward to school ball.

Hate to burst your bubble but there are no really good JV teams on LI. Most schools now bring up the best freshman and Sophs up to varsity. JV is a joke.

That's not always true. In the big lacrosse schools like WM, Smithtown, Maybe some others based on year, there is so much upperclass talent that a very good freshman may not get to play much if on Varsity. Would be much better off actually playing on JV and then brought up for post season. Many schools alllow the better JV players practice with Varsity

I would agree. My top 20 D1 program committed son was a Freshman last season and didn't play much. He should have played JV, gotten to actually play and have some fun. Instead they played the upper classmen, coaches choice.

If your son is physically capable, always play up. Mine started on JV as an 8th grader. In his first showcase after school ended, Syracuse called his club Coach. Didn't end up committing there, but did commit to a great D1 program with a strong scholarship offer. Point is, playing up prepared him well.

Ambush did not beat outlaws 8-7. They had it wrong. Ambush beat GC 8-7
Agree its the fall, also one can not go on last years teams. All teams had tryouts and some kids were cut and some were added. Was it a good start for Ambush, yes. Do they have to keep working at it. Yes as well. Out of Igloo Avalanche, Outlaws, etc, they are the best thus far. Yet to say that is pre mature as well. Let the talkers always talk and let the teams do what they do, which is practice and try hard

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is great a double hold back look at the pictures of the kids with the championship this past weekend . It is really funny to see.... the coaches maybe should suit up this weekend if they still have eligibility.... What ARE YOU TEACHING YOUR KIDS !!!!! Parents on that team with kids of right age you will never get a fair shake !!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWFUL

Organization should be ashamed!

The parents should be ashamed too!! Their kid won't be known for how good of a player he is now. He will be known as the double-holdback cheater. So sad!

While not ethical , the kid is small for his age. Great family great kid and trust me no one works harder and puts in more time then him. Let's not kill him because you don't know them. He's played "up " or of age according to some since he's been playing. Maybe just looking for a size balance.

Tough SH**...... Maybe it isn't meant to be. Good Family, Good Kid, blah, blah, blah...Who cares. The one thing you cannot control is size. Deal with it. The moral, if there was any, must be gone on this team. How do the established, OF AGE, players take this as they barely play now. You cannot qualify this team as a 2021. I don't care how you spin it!

Maybe somebody is jealous that his teammates were recruited and he was planning on being first. Maybe now he has a shot at being the earliest 2021. All about the fame. Parents don't realize they are setting the kid up to crash and burn. Very sad actually

Ty: 1st 2021 ****** ********, double holdback becomes earliest commit in history of sport!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is great a double hold back look at the pictures of the kids with the championship this past weekend . It is really funny to see.... the coaches maybe should suit up this weekend if they still have eligibility.... What ARE YOU TEACHING YOUR KIDS !!!!! Parents on that team with kids of right age you will never get a fair shake !!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWFUL

Organization should be ashamed!

The parents should be ashamed too!! Their kid won't be known for how good of a player he is now. He will be known as the double-holdback cheater. So sad!

While not ethical , the kid is small for his age. Great family great kid and trust me no one works harder and puts in more time then him. Let's not kill him because you don't know them. He's played "up " or of age according to some since he's been playing. Maybe just looking for a size balance.

Tough SH**...... Maybe it isn't meant to be. Good Family, Good Kid, blah, blah, blah...Who cares. The one thing you cannot control is size. Deal with it. The moral, if there was any, must be gone on this team. How do the established, OF AGE, players take this as they barely play now. You cannot qualify this team as a 2021. I don't care how you spin it!

Maybe somebody is jealous that his teammates were recruited and he was planning on being first. Maybe now he has a shot at being the earliest 2021. All about the fame. Parents don't realize they are setting the kid up to crash and burn. Very sad actually

In this case that's exactly what it is,what an embarrassment, parents should be ashamed

Beating Outlaws Gold and Garden City by one and playing in B level tournaments does not make any team an A team. Even though the talent may be there a team needs to play in A tournaments against A teams consistently to be considered an A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush did not beat outlaws 8-7. They had it wrong. Ambush beat GC 8-7
Agree its the fall, also one can not go on last years teams. All teams had tryouts and some kids were cut and some were added. Was it a good start for Ambush, yes. Do they have to keep working at it. Yes as well. Out of Igloo Avalanche, Outlaws, etc, they are the best thus far. Yet to say that is pre mature as well. Let the talkers always talk and let the teams do what they do, which is practice and try hard

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beating Outlaws Gold and Garden City by one and playing in B level tournaments does not make any team an A team. Even though the talent may be there a team needs to play in A tournaments against A teams consistently to be considered an A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush did not beat outlaws 8-7. They had it wrong. Ambush beat GC 8-7
Agree its the fall, also one can not go on last years teams. All teams had tryouts and some kids were cut and some were added. Was it a good start for Ambush, yes. Do they have to keep working at it. Yes as well. Out of Igloo Avalanche, Outlaws, etc, they are the best thus far. Yet to say that is pre mature as well. Let the talkers always talk and let the teams do what they do, which is practice and try hard

There are a number of 2021 teams that are at parity with Ambush, so . . . whatever! Strong B/Weak A teams are not exactly hard to come by on LI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beating Outlaws Gold and Garden City by one and playing in B level tournaments does not make any team an A team. Even though the talent may be there a team needs to play in A tournaments against A teams consistently to be considered an A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush did not beat outlaws 8-7. They had it wrong. Ambush beat GC 8-7
Agree its the fall, also one can not go on last years teams. All teams had tryouts and some kids were cut and some were added. Was it a good start for Ambush, yes. Do they have to keep working at it. Yes as well. Out of Igloo Avalanche, Outlaws, etc, they are the best thus far. Yet to say that is pre mature as well. Let the talkers always talk and let the teams do what they do, which is practice and try hard

Last year Ambush beat every team but LI Express AA, Avalanche, and 2020 teams when they played up. I would say that they are better than most teams except those.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] Why would he play 2 years up?
Why would 2019 want a 2021?

Unless he is playing with a mix of jv players at various ages. IM guessing he's not the only 2021 on the 2019 team

Because it's not true and if it is it is for a doormat club team that needs that Very very very few play up in good club lacrosse they can get by with some of the bad clubs but good club lacrosse Not a chance [/quote

This is an issue. In towns with "weaker" programs, these parents get all starry eyed that the varsity coach is courting their 2021 and wants them to practice with varsity and play summer with JV. It's great I get it. But if your son isn't on the best team in 2021, it's not the real deal. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad your son is doing great. Just don't get him hurt.

He is playing with his JV team, and playing against some really good JV teams. He will probably play JV this spring. If I go by the hold back crew, he is really playing 3 years up because he is a late fall 03 birthday. He is doing well in school, and is going to graduate with his friends. He is having fun with his Travel Team, and is looking forward to school ball.

Hate to burst your bubble but there are no really good JV teams on LI. Most schools now bring up the best freshman and Sophs up to varsity. JV is a joke.

You're kidding, right? SWR is basically the Blaze team. Sachem doesn't allow kids to play up, and there were few if any 8th graders playing in the Farmingdale Fall league.

I doubt this is an Ambush parant. It is just someone looking to start trouble. If it is an Ambush parent good luck to that team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beating Outlaws Gold and Garden City by one and playing in B level tournaments does not make any team an A team. Even though the talent may be there a team needs to play in A tournaments against A teams consistently to be considered an A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush did not beat outlaws 8-7. They had it wrong. Ambush beat GC 8-7
Agree its the fall, also one can not go on last years teams. All teams had tryouts and some kids were cut and some were added. Was it a good start for Ambush, yes. Do they have to keep working at it. Yes as well. Out of Igloo Avalanche, Outlaws, etc, they are the best thus far. Yet to say that is pre mature as well. Let the talkers always talk and let the teams do what they do, which is practice and try hard

Last year Ambush beat every team but LI Express AA, Avalanche, and 2020 teams when they played up. I would say that they are better than most teams except those.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] Why would he play 2 years up?
Why would 2019 want a 2021?

Unless he is playing with a mix of jv players at various ages. IM guessing he's not the only 2021 on the 2019 team

Because it's not true and if it is it is for a doormat club team that needs that Very very very few play up in good club lacrosse they can get by with some of the bad clubs but good club lacrosse Not a chance [/quote

So Sachem is one of few schools that don't allow it means JV is competitive and a somewhat high level ? I know not . Having 2 JV kids in last three years in another school that doesn't bring up freshman , the games are horrible. Maybe 1 or 2 very good players on opposing teams. Don't kid yourself .

This is an issue. In towns with "weaker" programs, these parents get all starry eyed that the varsity coach is courting their 2021 and wants them to practice with varsity and play summer with JV. It's great I get it. But if your son isn't on the best team in 2021, it's not the real deal. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad your son is doing great. Just don't get him hurt.

He is playing with his JV team, and playing against some really good JV teams. He will probably play JV this spring. If I go by the hold back crew, he is really playing 3 years up because he is a late fall 03 birthday. He is doing well in school, and is going to graduate with his friends. He is having fun with his Travel Team, and is looking forward to school ball.

Hate to burst your bubble but there are no really good JV teams on LI. Most schools now bring up the best freshman and Sophs up to varsity. JV is a joke.

You're kidding, right? SWR is basically the Blaze team. Sachem doesn't allow kids to play up, and there were few if any 8th graders playing in the Farmingdale Fall league.

As usual Ambush parents on here in the Fall playing it off like they noticed that this team should be A or AA. get with it people ! If your kid was that good he would be on Blaze.. Period.. The same "ol" broken down coach for all these years drooling and whispering in parents ears how this team is going to be in the top 3 rankings in the country at this age , Turn style year in year out same song different players. Stop with the boasting your a solid B+ team and leave it at that. Ambush never plays top teams , always playing no name programs or weak teams from good programs.. Who really cares other then a few parents about having a label that your son plays on "a". Colleges do not care ! Its at the point how your son performs on the field individually . Let go of the PAL mentality !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beating Outlaws Gold and Garden City by one and playing in B level tournaments does not make any team an A team. Even though the talent may be there a team needs to play in A tournaments against A teams consistently to be considered an A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush did not beat outlaws 8-7. They had it wrong. Ambush beat GC 8-7
Agree its the fall, also one can not go on last years teams. All teams had tryouts and some kids were cut and some were added. Was it a good start for Ambush, yes. Do they have to keep working at it. Yes as well. Out of Igloo Avalanche, Outlaws, etc, they are the best thus far. Yet to say that is pre mature as well. Let the talkers always talk and let the teams do what they do, which is practice and try hard

Well said. There is a reason why the program directors put them in these weak tournament. Given that Ambush at the Purchase B level tournament had two one goal games against Outlaws Gold and GC 34 means they belong in the B tournaments and they are not ready to compete at an NLF tournament, NXT or even LAx...fest where they always play in the B bracket. They may beat an A team once in a while because they are a very good team but they can't beat A teams 75 percent of the time. They are well placed in these B tournaments. Also and more important the kids will not get better always playing at weak tournaments where they always win. They need to play in A tournaments even if they get blown out once in a while. But remember the directors need them to think they are better than they are and keep coming back. So they win tournaments and this creates delusional parents because they beat a good team every so often and win every tournament. At this stage like you said tournament wins means nothing. One thing I disagree with. They are better than B plus. They more like A minus team which is consistent with beating A teams once in a while and always winning B and C tournaments like they have so far this fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As usual Ambush parents on here in the Fall playing it off like they noticed that this team should be A or AA. get with it people ! If your kid was that good he would be on Blaze.. Period.. The same "ol" broken down coach for all these years drooling and whispering in parents ears how this team is going to be in the top 3 rankings in the country at this age , Turn style year in year out same song different players. Stop with the boasting your a solid B+ team and leave it at that. Ambush never plays top teams , always playing no name programs or weak teams from good programs.. Who really cares other then a few parents about having a label that your son plays on "a". Colleges do not care ! Its at the point how your son performs on the field individually . Let go of the PAL mentality !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beating Outlaws Gold and Garden City by one and playing in B level tournaments does not make any team an A team. Even though the talent may be there a team needs to play in A tournaments against A teams consistently to be considered an A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush did not beat outlaws 8-7. They had it wrong. Ambush beat GC 8-7
Agree its the fall, also one can not go on last years teams. All teams had tryouts and some kids were cut and some were added. Was it a good start for Ambush, yes. Do they have to keep working at it. Yes as well. Out of Igloo Avalanche, Outlaws, etc, they are the best thus far. Yet to say that is pre mature as well. Let the talkers always talk and let the teams do what they do, which is practice and try hard

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As usual Ambush parents on here in the Fall playing it off like they noticed that this team should be A or AA. get with it people ! If your kid was that good he would be on Blaze.. Period.. The same "ol" broken down coach for all these years drooling and whispering in parents ears how this team is going to be in the top 3 rankings in the country at this age , Turn style year in year out same song different players. Stop with the boasting your a solid B+ team and leave it at that. Ambush never plays top teams , always playing no name programs or weak teams from good programs.. Who really cares other then a few parents about having a label that your son plays on "a". Colleges do not care ! Its at the point how your son performs on the field individually . Let go of the PAL mentality !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beating Outlaws Gold and Garden City by one and playing in B level tournaments does not make any team an A team. Even though the talent may be there a team needs to play in A tournaments against A teams consistently to be considered an A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush did not beat outlaws 8-7. They had it wrong. Ambush beat GC 8-7
Agree its the fall, also one can not go on last years teams. All teams had tryouts and some kids were cut and some were added. Was it a good start for Ambush, yes. Do they have to keep working at it. Yes as well. Out of Igloo Avalanche, Outlaws, etc, they are the best thus far. Yet to say that is pre mature as well. Let the talkers always talk and let the teams do what they do, which is practice and try hard

There are new players on the team, and we have had one tournament. Until we play Avalanche and Express, we won't know where we are. A-, B+, who cares. Let's see how they did by the end of the summer. My kid is having fun, the coach never whispered anything in my ear about being a AA team. He wants to win, and wants to play in good tournaments, with good competition. None of the Ambush parents are boasting about anything. We all know our boys aren't on an elite team, and we enjoy the team. Have a good winter, and we can talk in the Spring.

As you are the curious parent who dabbles in and out of BOTC , there are others like you who do as well from your team. You may have a common sense attitude and be a utmost realistic parent as well on the sideline about your sons team. BUT the guy standing next to you double fisting solo cups in between games under the tent could be total opposite on your thoughts and could be the one boasting the greatness of one or two players shy of world series status. Every parent has a different mentality , so please as you may make sense the other guy could be the ranting and raving parent on here . Every team has that select unrealstic parent who as the previous poster says drools at the mouth like his or hers kids coach about this is the year its gonna happen. Its been said year in year out about this particular team on here around this time. And it's always new players were added this year .. Seems irrelevant after awhile .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As usual Ambush parents on here in the Fall playing it off like they noticed that this team should be A or AA. get with it people ! If your kid was that good he would be on Blaze.. Period.. The same "ol" broken down coach for all these years drooling and whispering in parents ears how this team is going to be in the top 3 rankings in the country at this age , Turn style year in year out same song different players. Stop with the boasting your a solid B+ team and leave it at that. Ambush never plays top teams , always playing no name programs or weak teams from good programs.. Who really cares other then a few parents about having a label that your son plays on "a". Colleges do not care ! Its at the point how your son performs on the field individually . Let go of the PAL mentality !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beating Outlaws Gold and Garden City by one and playing in B level tournaments does not make any team an A team. Even though the talent may be there a team needs to play in A tournaments against A teams consistently to be considered an A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush did not beat outlaws 8-7. They had it wrong. Ambush beat GC 8-7
Agree its the fall, also one can not go on last years teams. All teams had tryouts and some kids were cut and some were added. Was it a good start for Ambush, yes. Do they have to keep working at it. Yes as well. Out of Igloo Avalanche, Outlaws, etc, they are the best thus far. Yet to say that is pre mature as well. Let the talkers always talk and let the teams do what they do, which is practice and try hard

There are new players on the team, and we have had one tournament. Until we play Avalanche and Express, we won't know where we are. A-, B+, who cares. Let's see how they did by the end of the summer. My kid is having fun, the coach never whispered anything in my ear about being a AA team. He wants to win, and wants to play in good tournaments, with good competition. None of the Ambush parents are boasting about anything. We all know our boys aren't on an elite team, and we enjoy the team. Have a good winter, and we can talk in the Spring.

And who made u the grade master of the BOC

Was thinking of going to watch the Igloo 80 with Junior, anybody know what time it starts?

Blaze is playing in PA this weekend against Freedom and Dukes. Curious to see how those PA teams stack up.

A lot of talk about Team 91 and especially Ambush, Next August, Have little Johnny come try out. Hey, You never know. As for us, Our leaders are keeping us right where we need to be with our competition. The best games played are 1 point games. We know we are not Blaze, We understand that. Our Boys are Practicing hard, playing hard, and most of all getting better. Thats about all you can ask from your team.

Who is Johnny?

Blaze will win by 8-10 goals. No competition there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze is playing in PA this weekend against Freedom and Dukes. Curious to see how those PA teams stack up.

Johnny Or Janney are fictitious Lacrosse Players, Their name simulates envious fathers and Or Mothers that like to criticize other teams that their child doesnt play on. Our Children are Having Fun, winning and losing some lacrosse games. And getting better as a team and individuals. Hoping this clears any confusion up.

Oh ok got it. So what name would you be called. A grown man acting like a child posting on an 8th grade lacrosse thread with out add adding his name. I think I know the correct name for you. It's the word that is in front of "cat"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh ok got it. So what name would you be called. A grown man acting like a child posting on an 8th grade lacrosse thread with out add adding his name. I think I know the correct name for you. It's the word that is in front of "cat"

Wild? That works, thanks.

Thanks Igloo. Nice job. Can't wait for next year

Anyone attend the Igloo 80? Thoughts? Was it worth the money? It was well out of my price range.

The Igloo event surpassed all expectations!!! It was well run, well organized and all of the D1 coaches were invested in the boys!

This event will become a highly sought after invitation from where on out.

Mostly Igloo boys but also Maryland and Texas, my son was the only non Igloo attack on his team but all got equal time and all the boys were nice and had fun...and played high level lax!

Coach Tierney's talk to the parents was spot on!

What did Tierney say? Sum it up

In a nutshell, Coach Tierney stressed good grades, be a good person, be involved community service and helping others , stay away from drugs and alcohol, be careful what you put on social media. His staff will go on social media , look up a potential recruits name and if they find anything negative , that boy is crossed off his list and on to the next boy. The list of potential recruits is long!

Idiot works better

Thank you

Shoe Fits!!!

Great point about Social Media from Coach Tierney. I spoke to my Son, Little Johnnie about the importance of what he Posts on social Media. I also explained how parents from teams their little Johnnys didnt make sometimes get envious and post negative things about other teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze will win by 8-10 goals. No competition there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze is playing in PA this weekend against Freedom and Dukes. Curious to see how those PA teams stack up.

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You were right. They are very good. Disappointed to learn their kids were using racial and [lacrosse] slurs to taunt opposing players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze will win by 8-10 goals. No competition there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze is playing in PA this weekend against Freedom and Dukes. Curious to see how those PA teams stack up.

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You were right. They are very good. Disappointed to learn their kids were using racial and [lacrosse] slurs to taunt opposing players.

Don't make accusations like that unless you put your name on it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze will win by 8-10 goals. No competition there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze is playing in PA this weekend against Freedom and Dukes. Curious to see how those PA teams stack up.

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You were right. They are very good. Disappointed to learn their kids were using racial and [lacrosse] slurs to taunt opposing players.

Wow......not only does your son have to work on his lacrosse game, he needs to work on his ability to tell the truth.

Sons and Igloo play to a tie. What happened?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons and Igloo play to a tie. What happened?

you mean Mesa?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze will win by 8-10 goals. No competition there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze is playing in PA this weekend against Freedom and Dukes. Curious to see how those PA teams stack up.

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You were right. They are very good. Disappointed to learn their kids were using racial and [lacrosse] slurs to taunt opposing players.

Wow......not only does your son have to work on his lacrosse game, he needs to work on his ability to tell the truth.

Anonymous guy was on the field too. I guess you're a reclassed 8th grader?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons and Igloo play to a tie. What happened?

Didnt know TD kids was in 8th grade now ...boy wonder if The State college knows he reclassed + a few other questionable players and then magically they go from not having a goalie on Saturday to having what looked like a college all -American on Sunday please . HEY TD needed a win that bad Or a tie should i say .

Club lacrosse is big business, lots of money floating around. Programs can't attract and keep players if they are losing too many games. Its a fact. Will they cheat? Sure, they have to win. We played a team that tried to stall for almost 12 minutes in the second half of our game to protect a lead. It was a travesty. We didn't drive 5 hours to watch a team play UNC 4 corners, but they have to win or they will struggle.

I thought TD's kid was playing NXT?

Great program by the Igloo group on Sat, the college coach's were great coaching the kids and the kids seemed to enjoy them. Bill Teirney did give a good talk to the kids and parents. The only shame of it was I guess since Express and 91 did not think of this they choose not to have their kids show up. Instead I understand they both sent their 2021 teams to tourney's to have the win games by 10 or so goals, shame on those organizations not to have their kids there and kudos for one of the college coach's say the same that it is a shame that they did not send their top kids there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons and Igloo play to a tie. What happened?

Didnt know TD kids was in 8th grade now ...boy wonder if The State college knows he reclassed + a few other questionable players and then magically they go from not having a goalie on Saturday to having what looked like a college all -American on Sunday please . HEY TD needed a win that bad Or a tie should i say .

He's not, Freshman at Malvern.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great program by the Igloo group on Sat, the college coach's were great coaching the kids and the kids seemed to enjoy them. Bill Teirney did give a good talk to the kids and parents. The only shame of it was I guess since Express and 91 did not think of this they choose not to have their kids show up. Instead I understand they both sent their 2021 teams to tourney's to have the win games by 10 or so goals, shame on those organizations not to have their kids there and kudos for one of the college coach's say the same that it is a shame that they did not send their top kids there.

If you are with one of those"other programs" boy don't they really care about your kids . Funny heard some feed back on ways they discourage there kids from attending this event and THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEM SELVES. VERY SAD TACTICS PULLING INVITES TO SHOWCASES so SAD WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE LACROSEE COMMUNITY ITS ONE THING TO NOT LIKE SOMETHING OR SOMEONE BUT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE KIDS ... HOPE PARENTS WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND RUN FOR THERE LIVES. AND TO THE GUYS WHO DISCOURAGED KIDS FROM COMING YOU REALLY NEED TO REMEMBER WHAT AND WHO THIS IS ABOUT . ITS ABOUT THIS GREAT GAME THAT WE LOVE AND HOPING WE CAN INFUSE SOME KIDS WITH THE SAME LOVE . STOP THE HATE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great program by the Igloo group on Sat, the college coach's were great coaching the kids and the kids seemed to enjoy them. Bill Teirney did give a good talk to the kids and parents. The only shame of it was I guess since Express and 91 did not think of this they choose not to have their kids show up. Instead I understand they both sent their 2021 teams to tourney's to have the win games by 10 or so goals, shame on those organizations not to have their kids there and kudos for one of the college coach's say the same that it is a shame that they did not send their top kids there.

I know of several 91 players who signed up but weren't invited. Maybe TD didn't want 91 helmets on his field at his program.

TA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons and Igloo play to a tie. What happened?

Didnt know TD kids was in 8th grade now ...boy wonder if The State college knows he reclassed + a few other questionable players and then magically they go from not having a goalie on Saturday to having what looked like a college all -American on Sunday please . HEY TD needed a win that bad Or a tie should i say .

He's not, Freshman at Malvern.

So are you saying TD kid played on the 21 Sons team for the event? Or are you assuming since he coaches the team..not that he wouldn't cheat just wondering

The 91 kids as well as express kids were invited (fact) and they were told not to attend. Credit to one express kid who opted to go instead of a 2021/2022 tourney in Del against some very weak teams. Need someone from 91 and/or express give their reasoning as to why.

Obviously there were a lot of Igloo kids but credit to the Icon kids who also did go and their staff canceled a practice and encouraged their kids to go and they played very well. They and a few def and att guys who really played well. Kids from Texas, MD, NJ, and Conn as well.

What was even nicer is that some of the ICON coaches were there in the early session , cause its ABOUT THERE KIDS . KUDOS TO ICON ------ NE & JD

there a bunch of A-Holes? ya think

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons and Igloo play to a tie. What happened?

Didnt know TD kids was in 8th grade now ...boy wonder if The State college knows he reclassed + a few other questionable players and then magically they go from not having a goalie on Saturday to having what looked like a college all -American on Sunday please . HEY TD needed a win that bad Or a tie should i say .

He's not, Freshman at Malvern.

So are you saying TD kid played on the 21 Sons team for the event? Or are you assuming since he coaches the team..not that he wouldn't cheat just wondering

His son is out this Fall with injury. Ludicrous statement.

THEIR kids
THERE kids
THEY'RE kids

you should go back to school

The Sons tied Igloo in a fair game with no replacement players. Teams are catching up to Igloo. They lost at the World Series and NXT. They played 2 close one goal games against Express at Blatant. It is not a surprise that the Sons tied them. This is the first year that there will be a possible debate of who is number one. From the results so far Blaze looks to be tough to beat. Igloo for the first time may be beatable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons and Igloo play to a tie. What happened?

Didnt know TD kids was in 8th grade now ...boy wonder if The State college knows he reclassed + a few other questionable players and then magically they go from not having a goalie on Saturday to having what looked like a college all -American on Sunday please . HEY TD needed a win that bad Or a tie should i say .

He's not, Freshman at Malvern.

So are you saying TD kid played on the 21 Sons team for the event? Or are you assuming since he coaches the team..not that he wouldn't cheat just wondering

His son is out this Fall with injury. Ludicrous statement.

Wow!
Looks like Black Ice is going to melt in a "Blaze" this year.

Watch out!

Yes the Blaze 10th grader should help,

Blaze will always now and forever be known as a team who Harbors a 10th grader who challenges the school reclassify system. I mean I know they love the sport and want to hold on to the youth lacrosse years , BUT cmon man let go and swim with the BIG boys , so what he is small ! Isn't it all about Challenging yourself to get better , we know he's ridiculously talented but he needs to overcome playing kids double his size.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow!
Looks like Black Ice is going to melt in a "Blaze" this year.

Watch out!

Here is the problem for teams playing Blaze...they are probably guilty of holdbacks as well.

I'd applaud any team that walked off the field rather than playing a 10th grader, but we all know that would bring tremendous scrutiny back on the club who walked.

It has become a dirty business, that is for sure.

Ambush going to NJ this weekend to play C teams. Get ready to hear how great they are because they scored 50 goals in four games and gave up three and won another championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze will always now and forever be known as a team who Harbors a 10th grader who challenges the school reclassify system. I mean I know they love the sport and want to hold on to the youth lacrosse years , BUT cmon man let go and swim with the BIG boys , so what he is small ! Isn't it all about Challenging yourself to get better , we know he's ridiculously talented but he needs to overcome playing kids double his size.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow!
Looks like Black Ice is going to melt in a "Blaze" this year.

Watch out!

Sounds like igloo dads are a little concerned and lining up excuses

Blaze will always now and forever be known as a team who Harbors a 10th grader who challenges the school reclassify system. I mean I know they love the sport and want to hold on to the youth lacrosse years , BUT cmon man let go and swim with the BIG boys , so what he is small ! Isn't it all about Challenging yourself to get better , we know he's ridiculously talented but he needs to overcome playing kids double his size.

Amen to that!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze will always now and forever be known as a team who Harbors a 10th grader who challenges the school reclassify system. I mean I know they love the sport and want to hold on to the youth lacrosse years , BUT cmon man let go and swim with the BIG boys , so what he is small ! Isn't it all about Challenging yourself to get better , we know he's ridiculously talented but he needs to overcome playing kids double his size.

Isn't playing down 2 years embarrassing for the kid and parents? Are you allowed to play HS lacrosse after your 19th birthday in NY?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush going to NJ this weekend to play C teams. Get ready to hear how great they are because they scored 50 goals in four games and gave up three and won another championship.

So did your kid get cut this year or last year?

Wow Tough Crowd, 2 weeks ago All I saw was that Ambush played 2 close one point games and all the kids had fun, Got to Play, and went home with an Orange Pumpkin T-Shirt. If you really want Little Johnny to Play for Ambush next season come have him Try out. As for us, We will be in NJ. having some fun and Hopefully winning some Lacrosse games.

Now I dont have a child that plays on Blaze, But I have no Idea what you fathers are going to complain about when your kids get to High School. Lets just say that I expect my Son to make JV. which means he will play with 9th Graders this year, and then (Get This) I will expect next year in 9th grade that he makes Varsity. Do you know what that means? My little boy might be playing with 18 year olds. Before you have a comeback like my HS program must suck letting kids play up and I have Bad Grammer. Look in the Mirror first. They need to put a complaint department thread on here. SMH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze will always now and forever be known as a team who Harbors a 10th grader who challenges the school reclassify system. I mean I know they love the sport and want to hold on to the youth lacrosse years , BUT cmon man let go and swim with the BIG boys , so what he is small ! Isn't it all about Challenging yourself to get better , we know he's ridiculously talented but he needs to overcome playing kids double his size.

How sad. I'm sure most programs would dominate by dropping a 2019 to the 2021 team, give me a break already. I can't go to the trading desk and ask to compete against inexperienced desk jockeys. Eventually you have to stand tall and jump into the deep. Trial by fire, forged in steel.

Sorry you can't come up with an argument to show that the team is a good team. Your director is putting them in weak tournaments. That should tell your more than anything you read here. We did not know they cut kids. But if that makes you feel better because you don't have a response go with that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush going to NJ this weekend to play C teams. Get ready to hear how great they are because they scored 50 goals in four games and gave up three and won another championship.

So did your kid get cut this year or last year? [/quote]

This is never a valid argument. In HS there are multiple kids in grade 10-12 so an older kid can't dominate a game. Also if there are dominate players there will be older kids to counter that kid. When a kid plays down two years there is not anther 10th grade kid to counter him. Also that 9 th grader that plays up will have a lot of talent. The older kid playing down will be facing kids who are players ranked 20-24 on a team and it could cause problems. Last the kid that plays up chooses to face older kids. When a kid plays down he is playing against kids that may not be ready or want to play a kid two years older. An older kid can dominate a game and the team that is not cheating will have no answer. Hs teams have multiple older kids to counter an older kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I dont have a child that plays on Blaze, But I have no Idea what you fathers are going to complain about when your kids get to High School. Lets just say that I expect my Son to make JV. which means he will play with 9th Graders this year, and then (Get This) I will expect next year in 9th grade that he makes Varsity. Do you know what that means? My little boy might be playing with 18 year olds. Before you have a comeback like my HS program must suck letting kids play up and I have Bad Grammer. Look in the Mirror first. They need to put a complaint department thread on here. SMH

Have not heard from any 91 or express people as to why they did not send any kids the to showcase this past Sat.

Great Story Envious Dad. Here is how We Ambush parents see it. We are going to NJ. This weekend as a team. Our Coaches setup up for us to see a College Hockey team play, Then we will go Meet a local College Lacrosse coach (Same Team as the College Hockey Team). We Think Our Team is a Good Team. We Know our boys are improving in the Game of Lacrosse. Hopefully we play good this weekend. Next weekend Win or lose will will go to Practice. Our Boys, Coaches and Parents are having a good time. A Little story on what we have done so far this year. We played against True Blue A, Express North, 2 different Outlaws teams, 91 Tristate, Garden City, We Feel that they are all very good teams. We have faced 6 teams already this Fall. What have you done this fall Envious Dad???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is never a valid argument. In HS there are multiple kids in grade 10-12 so an older kid can't dominate a game. Also if there are dominate players there will be older kids to counter that kid. When a kid plays down two years there is not anther 10th grade kid to counter him. Also that 9 th grader that plays up will have a lot of talent. The older kid playing down will be facing kids who are players ranked 20-24 on a team and it could cause problems. Last the kid that plays up chooses to face older kids. When a kid plays down he is playing against kids that may not be ready or want to play a kid two years older. An older kid can dominate a game and the team that is not cheating will have no answer. Hs teams have multiple older kids to counter an older kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I dont have a child that plays on Blaze, But I have no Idea what you fathers are going to complain about when your kids get to High School. Lets just say that I expect my Son to make JV. which means he will play with 9th Graders this year, and then (Get This) I will expect next year in 9th grade that he makes Varsity. Do you know what that means? My little boy might be playing with 18 year olds. Before you have a comeback like my HS program must suck letting kids play up and I have Bad Grammer. Look in the Mirror first. They need to put a complaint department thread on here. SMH

Valid Argument on the subject.

Thanks for the update outlaw parent whose kid got cut 2 years ago . jealous the other Northport boys are playing with ambush and yours didn't make it. You leave yourself wide open for this

Because nobody cares with the exception of you!!

Its not the organization who chooses what bracket this team plays in , the coaches have 100% control of where and who they will play. This is just an example if your sold "a" team status by the coaches this will be controlled by the coach on how to make people believe their team is that good.. Not arguing they are not , even though not a fan of the Hills coach , just Fact on how things go , and how people automatically blame the organization itself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry you can't come up with an argument to show that the team is a good team. Your director is putting them in weak tournaments. That should tell your more than anything you read here. We did not know they cut kids. But if that makes you feel better because you don't have a response go with that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush going to NJ this weekend to play C teams. Get ready to hear how great they are because they scored 50 goals in four games and gave up three and won another championship.

So did your kid get cut this year or last year?

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We are Ambush, there is a better 2021 team in our organization. They are called Blaze and they play in AA tournaments. They will beat us if we play them. This is all we know about them. Our Tournaments have been announced way in advance. We sign up to Play in the A division. I am sure any team that calls themselves an A team can sign up. I hope this clears it up for you. If you need more information about us, come to one of our practices. We will hopefully be able to tell you all about us. But you seem to know a lot about us already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are Ambush, there is a better 2021 team in our organization. They are called Blaze and they play in AA tournaments. They will beat us if we play them. This is all we know about them. Our Tournaments have been announced way in advance. We sign up to Play in the A division. I am sure any team that calls themselves an A team can sign up. I hope this clears it up for you. If you need more information about us, come to one of our practices. We will hopefully be able to tell you all about us. But you seem to know a lot about us already.

Your first mistake is acknowledging that any team will beat you. You must go for every game with the mentality that you can win this if you all give 100% and play strong together. Look at the Penn State vs Ohio state football game. They said "why not us?" And look what happened!

Are you a kid or an adult? And did you ever play, or are you playing now?

You are missing the pt about the 10th grader. It's not so much playing competition that is older in hs as this is expected and always was the case. The issue is that these are the start of the recruiting years which happens to concide with puberty. Skilled kids that mature earlier have the advantage. Throw in 1-2 yrs of being older and that advantage is much much larger. Everyone onow tha the recruiting has moved to the clubs from school ball. Think of how kids on the team or any team for that matter get bumped in the roster or has to fight for less time or fight for an invite which would never be the case if tourneys and clubs were age based or if clubs had limited morals. 1yr holdback is bad but double is just wrong. It's completely wrong on all fronts. The difference in a 10th grader both physically and from an iq level is ridiculous. Its a terrible trend and precedent that hopefully at some pt changes

2nd mistake is this site and all of these posts
Really!!!!! this is what has come to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have not heard from any 91 or express people as to why they did not send any kids the to showcase this past Sat.

Why do you care? They saved their money. You act like this was the one and only. Worry about your kid not others

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have not heard from any 91 or express people as to why they did not send any kids the to showcase this past Sat.

Why do you care? They saved their money. You act like this was the one and only. Worry about your kid not others

Thats not the point. The point that these NLF clubs think they are the only game in town. To tell kids NOT to go is selfish and arrogant. NLF are only concerned with THEIR kids instead of youth lacrosse in general. They don't have all the best teams at all age groups and to not allow other clubs because of proximity to their interest. It should be about all the kids. Thats AA attitude and many of the other good guys in the lacrosse world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have not heard from any 91 or express people as to why they did not send any kids the to showcase this past Sat.

Why do you care? They saved their money. You act like this was the one and only. Worry about your kid not others

Thats not the point. The point that these NLF clubs think they are the only game in town. To tell kids NOT to go is selfish and arrogant. NLF are only concerned with THEIR kids instead of youth lacrosse in general. They don't have all the best teams at all age groups and to not allow other clubs because of proximity to their interest. It should be about all the kids. Thats AA attitude and many of the other good guys in the lacrosse world.

of course they are only concerned about their kids.... that's how they make their money!! got to keep it in house, if they let their kids out they might run!!!!!

Let's be honest here. All of these big club programs are in business to make money. The NLF clubs are blocking Igloo players and teams from their events because they feel that Igloo is taking away business. The idea that this should be all about the kids is unrealistic at this point - there is just too much money to be made. NLF clubs have been telling parents that they need to have their boys play for NLF teams if they want to get recruited. Igloo created the Elite 80 event to show parents the they have influence with college coaches and can help boys get recruited. NLF club players were invited to the event and did not sign up. It is obvious that the NLF guys did something to stop the boys from going. That is flat out wrong. They are entitled to make their money and even black ball Igloo but dictating terms to their players crosses the line.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's be honest here. All of these big club programs are in business to make money. The NLF clubs are blocking Igloo players and teams from their events because they feel that Igloo is taking away business. The idea that this should be all about the kids is unrealistic at this point - there is just too much money to be made. NLF clubs have been telling parents that they need to have their boys play for NLF teams if they want to get recruited. Igloo created the Elite 80 event to show parents the they have influence with college coaches and can help boys get recruited. NLF club players were invited to the event and did not sign up. It is obvious that the NLF guys did something to stop the boys from going. That is flat out wrong. They are entitled to make their money and even black ball Igloo but dictating terms to their players crosses the line.

My Kid Is an NLF Player, In 8th Grade I didnt see the need to go to the elite 80. In My opinion its just to early. My Kid has Plenty of time to get a look. I think it was a great thing that Igloo did. If I wanted to go, I would not have even said anything to my club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's be honest here. All of these big club programs are in business to make money. The NLF clubs are blocking Igloo players and teams from their events because they feel that Igloo is taking away business. The idea that this should be all about the kids is unrealistic at this point - there is just too much money to be made. NLF clubs have been telling parents that they need to have their boys play for NLF teams if they want to get recruited. Igloo created the Elite 80 event to show parents the they have influence with college coaches and can help boys get recruited. NLF club players were invited to the event and did not sign up. It is obvious that the NLF guys did something to stop the boys from going. That is flat out wrong. They are entitled to make their money and even black ball Igloo but dictating terms to their players crosses the line.

My Kid Is an NLF Player, In 8th Grade I didnt see the need to go to the elite 80. In My opinion its just to early. My Kid has Plenty of time to get a look. I think it was a great thing that Igloo did. If I wanted to go, I would not have even said anything to my club.

[lacrosse]

maybe Trump will ban holdbacks...will give 99% of the people on this board nothing to complain about!

My kid is NLF and never got the call after submitting the paper work. I don't think Igloo likes NLF very much either so maybe it goes both ways

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is NLF and never got the call after submitting the paper work. I don't think Igloo likes NLF very much either so maybe it goes both ways

Same here, Igloo didn't want NLF kids showing up their own. I know several who submitted, and their coaches were never called and they were never invited. One I know of was an attack who made the Black Ice Defense look silly in the tryout. He wasn't invited and didn't accept a spot on their team. Payback?

Or could it be that the NLF excluded Igloo from all the NLF recruitment tournaments because those NLF teams did not want to look bad in front of college coaches forcing Igloo to do this event so Igloo excluded NLF kids? It can go both ways. Who knows what is true. But we do know Igloo was excluded by NLF and they were willing to have the Igloo defensemen go head to head against this attack kid if front of collage coaches at NLF tournaments. So fear plays no part from Igloo's side. More likely NLF teams fear Igloo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is NLF and never got the call after submitting the paper work. I don't think Igloo likes NLF very much either so maybe it goes both ways

Same here, Igloo didn't want NLF kids showing up their own. I know several who submitted, and their coaches were never called and they were never invited. One I know of was an attack who made the Black Ice Defense look silly in the tryout. He wasn't invited and didn't accept a spot on their team. Payback?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is NLF and never got the call after submitting the paper work. I don't think Igloo likes NLF very much either so maybe it goes both ways

Same here, Igloo didn't want NLF kids showing up their own. I know several who submitted, and their coaches were never called and they were never invited. One I know of was an attack who made the Black Ice Defense look silly in the tryout. He wasn't invited and didn't accept a spot on their team. Payback?

Igloo did not exclude Express or 91 players. Several were there. BTW what team is this attackman on now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is NLF and never got the call after submitting the paper work. I don't think Igloo likes NLF very much either so maybe it goes both ways

Same here, Igloo didn't want NLF kids showing up their own. I know several who submitted, and their coaches were never called and they were never invited. One I know of was an attack who made the Black Ice Defense look silly in the tryout. He wasn't invited and didn't accept a spot on their team. Payback?

Let me get this straight there was an attack man at Igloo Tryouts for 2021 that made the Igloo Defense look silly ......The only thing silly is that statement SILLY MAN .... Sounds like someone is telling a lie I will look for the guy who's nose is bigger then it was last week

My Express child was excluded, but I am pleased that it sounded like it was as a nice experience for all. No ill will on my end.

Let me get this straight there was an attack man at Igloo Tryouts for 2021 that made the Igloo Defense look silly ......The only thing silly is that statement SILLY MAN .... Sounds like someone is telling a lie I will look for the guy who's nose is bigger then it was last week

This is completely untrue. AA told me that both Express and 90+1 directors where contacted several times about submitting players if they wanted to and they elected to tell their players not to attend, not to register. So shame on those clubs as this was not about supporting Igloo, but supporting their kids. This is where it comes down to common sense. Lets have our players play in a meaningless tournament the same day as a great event where our kids can get noticed, get taught by, and have conversations with some of the best coaches in the country. Your right I see the logic in this.

there was no paperwork, so you have no idea what your talking about. It was register, or don't register. And if you didn't register in time that was your fault.

You must be new to Ambush and probably new to travel lacrosse. Most decent teams have already played many more teams and games than you listed. Also playing against the team's you mentioned is not getting any good player better. It can't be fun beating these teams by a lot to a little which Ambush must be doing because any good team would blow all these teams out. Glad everyone is having fun but don't think for one second anyone is envious. If you read this thread the Negative Ambush comments started when someone posted how great they were doing and that invited comments regarding the weak compatition. Glad all are having fun but remember most kids playing club lax are having fun. PAL had weak competition and was fun too. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great Story Envious Dad. Here is how We Ambush parents see it. We are going to NJ. This weekend as a team. Our Coaches setup up for us to see a College Hockey team play, Then we will go Meet a local College Lacrosse coach (Same Team as the College Hockey Team). We Think Our Team is a Good Team. We Know our boys are improving in the Game of Lacrosse. Hopefully we play good this weekend. Next weekend Win or lose will will go to Practice. Our Boys, Coaches and Parents are having a good time. A Little story on what we have done so far this year. We played against True Blue A, Express North, 2 different Outlaws teams, 91 Tristate, Garden City, We Feel that they are all very good teams. We have faced 6 teams already this Fall. What have you done this fall Envious Dad???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is NLF and never got the call after submitting the paper work. I don't think Igloo likes NLF very much either so maybe it goes both ways

Same here, Igloo didn't want NLF kids showing up their own. I know several who submitted, and their coaches were never called and they were never invited. One I know of was an attack who made the Black Ice Defense look silly in the tryout. He wasn't invited and didn't accept a spot on their team. Payback?

Let me get this straight there was an attack man at Igloo Tryouts for 2021 that made the Igloo Defense look silly ......The only thing silly is that statement SILLY MAN .... Sounds like someone is telling a lie I will look for the guy who's nose is bigger then it was last week

Sounds very silly.......Hey payback, what team does this attackman play for now that he turned down a roster spot on Igloo?

Don't think the coaches didn't notice....that may sound crazy but O its true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be new to Ambush and probably new to travel lacrosse. Most decent teams have already played many more teams and games than you listed. Also playing against the team's you mentioned is not getting any good player better. It can't be fun beating these teams by a lot to a little which Ambush must be doing because any good team would blow all these teams out. Glad everyone is having fun but don't think for one second anyone is envious. If you read this thread the Negative Ambush comments started when someone posted how great they were doing and that invited comments regarding the weak compatition. Glad all are having fun but remember most kids playing club lax are having fun. PAL had weak competition and was fun too. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great Story Envious Dad. Here is how We Ambush parents see it. We are going to NJ. This weekend as a team. Our Coaches setup up for us to see a College Hockey team play, Then we will go Meet a local College Lacrosse coach (Same Team as the College Hockey Team). We Think Our Team is a Good Team. We Know our boys are improving in the Game of Lacrosse. Hopefully we play good this weekend. Next weekend Win or lose will will go to Practice. Our Boys, Coaches and Parents are having a good time. A Little story on what we have done so far this year. We played against True Blue A, Express North, 2 different Outlaws teams, 91 Tristate, Garden City, We Feel that they are all very good teams. We have faced 6 teams already this Fall. What have you done this fall Envious Dad???

My son is on Ambush and I can confirm that we all love each other so much that it hurts inside. *que harps*

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be new to Ambush and probably new to travel lacrosse. Most decent teams have already played many more teams and games than you listed. Also playing against the team's you mentioned is not getting any good player better. It can't be fun beating these teams by a lot to a little which Ambush must be doing because any good team would blow all these teams out. Glad everyone is having fun but don't think for one second anyone is envious. If you read this thread the Negative Ambush comments started when someone posted how great they were doing and that invited comments regarding the weak compatition. Glad all are having fun but remember most kids playing club lax are having fun. PAL had weak competition and was fun too. Good luck. Wow New to travel Lacrosse, Usually ambush runs under the radar. but for some reason a someone decided to call us out and say that we are playing weak competition. Now I dont know about you but seems to me that sour grapes are involved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great Story Envious Dad. Here is how We Ambush parents see it. We are going to NJ. This weekend as a team. Our Coaches setup up for us to see a College Hockey team play, Then we will go Meet a local College Lacrosse coach (Same Team as the College Hockey Team). We Think Our Team is a Good Team. We Know our boys are improving in the Game of Lacrosse. Hopefully we play good this weekend. Next weekend Win or lose will will go to Practice. Our Boys, Coaches and Parents are having a good time. A Little story on what we have done so far this year. We played against True Blue A, Express North, 2 different Outlaws teams, 91 Tristate, Garden City, We Feel that they are all very good teams. We have faced 6 teams already this Fall. What have you done this fall Envious Dad???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is NLF and never got the call after submitting the paper work. I don't think Igloo likes NLF very much either so maybe it goes both ways

Same here, Igloo didn't want NLF kids showing up their own. I know several who submitted, and their coaches were never called and they were never invited. One I know of was an attack who made the Black Ice Defense look silly in the tryout. He wasn't invited and didn't accept a spot on their team. Payback?

Let me get this straight there was an attack man at Igloo Tryouts for 2021 that made the Igloo Defense look silly ......The only thing silly is that statement SILLY MAN .... Sounds like someone is telling a lie I will look for the guy who's nose is bigger then it was last week

Sounds very silly.......Hey payback, what team does this attackman play for now that he turned down a roster spot on Igloo?

Express, not sure which one, but he did run around the defense at the two day. Heard he was offered a spot on Avalanche, but not sure if that is true.

Obviously you are not an ambush parent.sound more like a disgruntled outlaw parent. Get a life.

Just curious does anyone know if wogue team is a true town team or a town team with baggage?

This team is overwhelmed by more baggage then the original contents , also has pissed off allot of town parents by excluding players from town and taking in outsiders while maintaining comsewogue name , A good competitive B team who competes against B bracket teams , lost a close game yesterday to Empires top team in Mustang which was a B bracket tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious does anyone know if wogue team is a true town team or a town team with baggage?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there was no paperwork, so you have no idea what your talking about. It was register, or don't register. And if you didn't register in time that was your fault.

You are wrong. We filled out the application for the Elite 80 and never received the invite. Same as the earlier poster stated.

That's what I meant by paper work. Filled out the email registration so get over yourself Igloo dude.

Crickets

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's what I meant by paper work. Filled out the email registration so get over yourself Igloo dude.

Not everyone who registered got an invite dude. Ask your coach if he recommended your son when Igloo reached out to him. Probably not.

I will ask my NLF coach if AA reached out to him. I bet I know the answer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I will ask my NLF coach if AA reached out to him. I bet I know the answer.

If you think you are going to get a straight answer from your "NLF" coach, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell.

I guess every team ran it different. Our club told us who should register. This started off as needing your clubs approval to join. It may have ended open to everyone. But it is true Igloo was excluded from NLF events so there is no reason to be upset if others where chosen ahead of NLF. You will never get the truth at this point from your club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I will ask my NLF coach if AA reached out to him. I bet I know the answer.

If you think you are going to get a straight answer from your "NLF" coach, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell.

I love the trust some of you parents have for your "NLF" coach. Come soon when a better player then your son comes along ...... See ya. Then see how dedicated to you he is. Suckaaaa

Here it is ELITE 80 was open to ALL and 9d1 and express directors told there kids if they went to Elite 80 they would pull these players invites to certain showcases ALL were invited 1 9d1 Blaze kid showed and the Express kids that were registered did not show. Igloo has been shut out of NLF team events but some kids have gone to there showcase and it was not very well organized. In the end KUDOS to Igloo for opening door to ALL kids again showing that this is about kids and not about the [lacrosse] that goes on in the LACROSSE world cause of money . Yes I know they "did it for the money" remember these things cost money to put on between paying coaches , fields, insurance, printing materials , and plenty more . Yes maybe Igloo made some money but at the end of the day it is a business but more importantly it was a great day and very well organized and not one person walked away saying I can't believe I wasted my money on this garbage.

You are all so shady and that's so pathetic. Lying and manipulating and the expense of 12/13 year old boys. I would say it's lacrosse, but I believe all youth sports has become toxic. Makes me sick.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are all so shady and that's so pathetic. Lying and manipulating and the expense of 12/13 year old boys. I would say it's lacrosse, but I believe all youth sports has become toxic. Makes me sick.

You just got three straight answers.....all the truth.

Says you. Who are we suppose to believe?

Town team with baggage. All there offense is outsiders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Town team with baggage. All there offense is outsiders.

The only baggage this team has are the ones complaining on this thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here it is ELITE 80 was open to ALL and 9d1 and express directors told there kids if they went to Elite 80 they would pull these players invites to certain showcases ALL were invited 1 9d1 Blaze kid showed and the Express kids that were registered did not show. Igloo has been shut out of NLF team events but some kids have gone to there showcase and it was not very well organized. In the end KUDOS to Igloo for opening door to ALL kids again showing that this is about kids and not about the [lacrosse] that goes on in the LACROSSE world cause of money . Yes I know they "did it for the money" remember these things cost money to put on between paying coaches , fields, insurance, printing materials , and plenty more . Yes maybe Igloo made some money but at the end of the day it is a business but more importantly it was a great day and very well organized and not one person walked away saying I can't believe I wasted my money on this garbage.

The NLF coach is a personal friend of mine. He told me it was a waste of money, but he would do it. He never got a call. There were 2 kids who came from ninety one there. One is the faceoff kid who everyone knows and the other was on another team until last year, and they didn't put that he moved on the app because they didn't know where they would end up. I don't have a problem that NLF kids were excluded, just don't start bashing other programs for not "letting" their kids play. A few applied, and only 1 know from an NLF team was invited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Town team with baggage. All there offense is outsiders.

The only baggage this team has are the ones complaining on this thread.

The score of the final game they lost could have been much worse. I saw the last 15 minutes or so and the team they were playing held the ball for at least 10 minutes and didn't attempt to score! It looked like they were giving the wogue team a break?

wogue was winning from the start so I highly doubt they did a service and chose not to run up the score on the comeback , the game was won by 2 goals that's not saying much , Empire team is just what Wogue team is , a true B team nothing more.
Besides if Empire had the opportunity to run the score up they would if they could , but they didn't because they cant !
usually holding off the score by 5 or more is how you do that tastefully if you are that good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Town team with baggage. All there offense is outsiders.

The only baggage this team has are the ones complaining on this thread.

The score of the final game they lost could have been much worse. I saw the last 15 minutes or so and the team they were playing held the ball for at least 10 minutes and didn't attempt to score! It looked like they were giving the wogue team a break?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wogue was winning from the start so I highly doubt they did a service and chose not to run up the score on the comeback , the game was won by 2 goals that's not saying much , Empire team is just what Wogue team is , a true B team nothing more.
Besides if Empire had the opportunity to run the score up they would if they could , but they didn't because they cant !
usually holding off the score by 5 or more is how you do that tastefully if you are that good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Town team with baggage. All there offense is outsiders.

The only baggage this team has are the ones complaining on this thread.

The score of the final game they lost could have been much worse. I saw the last 15 minutes or so and the team they were playing held the ball for at least 10 minutes and didn't attempt to score! It looked like they were giving the wogue team a break?

Just telling you what I saw big guy.....The ball didn't leave the Wogue side of the field for the last 10 minutes of the game! And the other team had possession the whole time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wogue was winning from the start so I highly doubt they did a service and chose not to run up the score on the comeback , the game was won by 2 goals that's not saying much , Empire team is just what Wogue team is , a true B team nothing more.
Besides if Empire had the opportunity to run the score up they would if they could , but they didn't because they cant !
usually holding off the score by 5 or more is how you do that tastefully if you are that good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Town team with baggage. All there offense is outsiders.

The only baggage this team has are the ones complaining on this thread.

The score of the final game they lost could have been much worse. I saw the last 15 minutes or so and the team they were playing held the ball for at least 10 minutes and didn't attempt to score! It looked like they were giving the wogue team a break?

Just telling you what I saw big guy.....The ball didn't leave the Wogue side of the field for the last 10 minutes of the game! And the other team had possession the whole time.

I think 10 minutes is a bit of a stretch Little Guy. The Empire team did a good job of playing keep away towards the end. In other sports that is called stalling, you usually get called for such a violation in other sports. Give credit where credit is due, Empire won a good game between the two. I am sure they will meet again in the summer. Hey Little Guy, do you get a rise out of stirring the pot of 8th grade youth sports? I bet you do....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wogue was winning from the start so I highly doubt they did a service and chose not to run up the score on the comeback , the game was won by 2 goals that's not saying much , Empire team is just what Wogue team is , a true B team nothing more.
Besides if Empire had the opportunity to run the score up they would if they could , but they didn't because they cant !
usually holding off the score by 5 or more is how you do that tastefully if you are that good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Town team with baggage. All there offense is outsiders.

The only baggage this team has are the ones complaining on this thread.

The score of the final game they lost could have been much worse. I saw the last 15 minutes or so and the team they were playing held the ball for at least 10 minutes and didn't attempt to score! It looked like they were giving the wogue team a break?

Just telling you what I saw big guy.....The ball didn't leave the Wogue side of the field for the last 10 minutes of the game! And the other team had possession the whole time.

I think 10 minutes is a bit of a stretch Little Guy. The Empire team did a good job of playing keep away towards the end. In other sports that is called stalling, you usually get called for such a violation in other sports. Give credit where credit is due, Empire won a good game between the two. I am sure they will meet again in the summer. Hey Little Guy, do you get a rise out of stirring the pot of 8th grade youth sports? I bet you do....

Hey Big Guy, You seem very bitter. The bitter Big Guy! That's your new name. And no, what I get a rise out of is your obvious bitterness.

what is this the zoolander walk off challenge? you two are ridiculous.

LOL, need I say more......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here it is ELITE 80 was open to ALL and 9d1 and express directors told there kids if they went to Elite 80 they would pull these players invites to certain showcases ALL were invited 1 9d1 Blaze kid showed and the Express kids that were registered did not show. Igloo has been shut out of NLF team events but some kids have gone to there showcase and it was not very well organized. In the end KUDOS to Igloo for opening door to ALL kids again showing that this is about kids and not about the [lacrosse] that goes on in the LACROSSE world cause of money . Yes I know they "did it for the money" remember these things cost money to put on between paying coaches , fields, insurance, printing materials , and plenty more . Yes maybe Igloo made some money but at the end of the day it is a business but more importantly it was a great day and very well organized and not one person walked away saying I can't believe I wasted my money on this garbage.

The NLF coach is a personal friend of mine. He told me it was a waste of money, but he would do it. He never got a call. There were 2 kids who came from ninety one there. One is the faceoff kid who everyone knows and the other was on another team until last year, and they didn't put that he moved on the app because they didn't know where they would end up. I don't have a problem that NLF kids were excluded, just don't start bashing other programs for not "letting" their kids play. A few applied, and only 1 know from an NLF team was invited.

I just spoke to an Igloo coach, and he said that the NLF kids were excluded because Igloo is excluded from NLF. Only a few that AA personally knew were invited, and many of the positions were filled by Igloo kids.

That is a flat out lie, no Igloo coach would say that.

I can confirm that the igloo coach said that. It is what it is. People don't phucking care like you think

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can confirm that the igloo coach said that. It is what it is. People don't phucking care like you think

Exactly. It is what it is. There is a battle between NLF and non NLF teams, and the kids will be hurt by it. It is a real shame, as I heard that the Elite 80 was a first class event, and I would have love to have my kid be there. But there will be other opportunities, and I don't have a problem with it. Just stop with the NLF telling kids they couldn't go. That didn't happen.

Sounds about right

Here is the deal with the Elite 80. Igloo wanted the top players from the NLF teams to attend in order to increase the quality of players at the event and to expose those players to Igloo for the future in hopes that they might one day want to play for Igloo. The two NLF programs did not want their players going for their own self serving reasons so they were not cooperative with Igloo. Igloo invited some players who were known to the director. The rest were out of luck. If someone wanted their son to go - the NLF directors could have made it happen. Say what you want about Igloo - they certainly aren't perfect but one thing is clear, the NLF programs are black balling Igloo. They obviously feel that Igloo is bad for their business.

How do U get invite for NLF at IMG in January ??

There is no way that AA did that... Both Spallina and Mike C where personally contacted via text and phone call and they elected to either not tell their players, and or tell them not to go. The reason for this I have no idea. Igloo has gone and supported many of 90+1 events, and had included Express in many play days. There is no excuse. Kids didn't get the opportunity and it wasn't anything besides those two guy's greed, and lack for actually caring about their players. That is the truth, you may not want to hear it, but that is the actual truth.

is the NLF really black-balling igloo? i heard that the reason igloo wasn't part of NLF is because igloo has only one grad year that is any good - 2021. all of the other NLF organizations think they have good teams at every grad year and only want to be associated with other organizations that have good teams at every grad year.

So my NLF son is in the middle of this nasty custody suit btw Igloo and NLF? That sucks. So much for free market system

Igloo is not part of the NLF and that is fine. The NLF programs have every right to decide who is in their Federation. By black balling Igloo, I meant that the NLF is not allowing Igloo teams to play in their events. I suppose they have the right to do this as well but to me this is BS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no way that AA did that... Both Spallina and Mike C where personally contacted via text and phone call and they elected to either not tell their players, and or tell them not to go. The reason for this I have no idea. Igloo has gone and supported many of 90+1 events, and had included Express in many play days. There is no excuse. Kids didn't get the opportunity and it wasn't anything besides those two guy's greed, and lack for actually caring about their players. That is the truth, you may not want to hear it, but that is the actual truth.

The event was a waste of time, who cares? Was not a recruiting event, similar to the kids wasting money at prospect days. Smarten up and recognize a money grab

Did NLF players from other years go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

is the NLF really black-balling igloo? i heard that the reason igloo wasn't part of NLF is because igloo has only one grad year that is any good - 2021. all of the other NLF organizations think they have good teams at every grad year and only want to be associated with other organizations that have good teams at every grad year.

Interesting. Igloo has top teams at 2022 and 2023

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no way that AA did that... Both Spallina and Mike C where personally contacted via text and phone call and they elected to either not tell their players, and or tell them not to go. The reason for this I have no idea. Igloo has gone and supported many of 90+1 events, and had included Express in many play days. There is no excuse. Kids didn't get the opportunity and it wasn't anything besides those two guy's greed, and lack for actually caring about their players. That is the truth, you may not want to hear it, but that is the actual truth.

The event was a waste of time, who cares? Was not a recruiting event, similar to the kids wasting money at prospect days. Smarten up and recognize a money grab

This event was not a waste of time nor was it a money grab. Ask any parent whose son attended or any player that was part of this event. Additionally, it definitely got some players recognized for their performances by coaches.

Prospect days a waste of time? You are clueless. That's how my kid got an offer.

And does that mean that an NLF kid can never switch over to igloo? Will the kid be black balled?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And does that mean that an NLF kid can never switch over to igloo? Will the kid be black balled?

An 90+1 kid left and went Igloo. Did real well. For whatever reason he went back to 90+1, and did well there too. Next season, he didn't make either team. Igloo took him back on Avalanche with open arms. Since he left, he would have been back up on Black Ice, but he wanted playing time. I don't think that AA would Black Ball a kid for being on 90+1 based on that.

Why are you asking this question? In response to what?

2021 Tomahawks looking to add one or two defense and attack....

If you leave iglooo you get blackballed... And that isn't the only black ball they are snorting

Legit question here, anybody go to the Brine Regional tryouts before? Is it worth it to go? Why is it so late in the year, it could be bitter cold. Thanks for any insight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Legit question here, anybody go to the Brine Regional tryouts before? Is it worth it to go? Why is it so late in the year, it could be bitter cold. Thanks for any insight.

Was told by my son's school coach to do it, it is well worth it. Signed him up.

It's in December because the games are in July, they have the teams assembled and ready to go this summer. Is it worth it? That's up to you to decide, is any event that could get any type of exposure be negative?

Is the Brine tryout a College recruiting event?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Brine tryout a College recruiting event?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Brine tryout a College recruiting event?

To be clear the tryout is not a recruiting event - if you make the team and play over the summer that is a recruiting event.

We need to have NY/MD challenge tournament just like big10/acc challenge. See what state is better from top to bottom.

Hawks vs Express
Md91 vs igloo
API vs superteam
Crabs vs
FCA vs
Koopers vs
Rough Riders vs
Looneys vs
Cannons vs

Can't do it Ny only has 3 teams that can compete with the tops clubs from Maryland

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Brine tryout a College recruiting event?

To be clear the tryout is not a recruiting event - if you make the team and play over the summer that is a recruiting event.

Not a recruiting event, it's an expensive waste of time during a very important recruiting summer. Used to be a fun event leading up to recruiting when the first boys started committing after 9th grade. Just one more experience ruined by early recruiting. Brine also got greedy, holding two expensive tryouts, then having kids show up who skip the first tryout. Money better spent on recruiting showcases.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Brine tryout a College recruiting event?

To be clear the tryout is not a recruiting event - if you make the team and play over the summer that is a recruiting event.

Not a recruiting event, it's an expensive waste of time during a very important recruiting summer. Used to be a fun event leading up to recruiting when the first boys started committing after 9th grade. Just one more experience ruined by early recruiting. Brine also got greedy, holding two expensive tryouts, then having kids show up who skip the first tryout. Money better spent on recruiting showcases.

My son did it last year. It was expensive and fun but the coaches weren't looking at the middle school boys. They focused on the high school teams. If you are looking for a recruiting event this is not it. If your son just wants to have fun and represent long island with boys he normally plays against it's worth it. It was also oppressively hot last year. 100 degrees and no shade. Keep that in mind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We need to have NY/MD challenge tournament just like big10/acc challenge. See what state is better from top to bottom.

Hawks vs Express
Md91 vs igloo
API vs superteam
Crabs vs
FCA vs
Koopers vs
Rough Riders vs
Looneys vs
Cannons vs

Can't do it Ny only has 3 teams that can compete with the tops clubs from Maryland

Add Primetime and Express North to the list from New [lacrosse].

Called up a Lacrosse story. Book by Don McDuffee. tell the boys to read it. Easy read they will enjoy it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We need to have NY/MD challenge tournament just like big10/acc challenge. See what state is better from top to bottom.

Hawks vs Express
Md91 vs igloo
API vs superteam
Crabs vs
FCA vs
Koopers vs
Rough Riders vs
Looneys vs
Cannons vs

Can't do it Ny only has 3 teams that can compete with the tops clubs from Maryland

Hey dummy, your post is meant for the 2022 thread......Oh yeah, your kid was 2021 until you re-classed him. Guess posting on the 2021 is an old habit that is tough to break.

So true. Super Team I think is 2022. The Maryland kid was a 2021 last year and now he is a 2022 and next year he will be a 2023. New [lacrosse] teams do well against the Maryland teams. Maryland better stop looking up the ladder at long Island teams and first try to climb over Pennsylvania teams who are much better than Maryland now. NXT final four only had Long Island and Pennsylvania teams. Pennsylvania teams give Long Island teams a better game than Maryland teams for 2021.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We need to have NY/MD challenge tournament just like big10/acc challenge. See what state is better from top to bottom.

Hawks vs Express
Md91 vs igloo
API vs superteam
Crabs vs
FCA vs
Koopers vs
Rough Riders vs
Looneys vs
Cannons vs

Can't do it Ny only has 3 teams that can compete with the tops clubs from Maryland

Hey dummy, your post is meant for the 2022 thread......Oh yeah, your kid was 2021 until you re-classed him. Guess posting on the 2021 is an old habit that is tough to break.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So true. Super Team I think is 2022. The Maryland kid was a 2021 last year and now he is a 2022 and next year he will be a 2023. New [lacrosse] teams do well against the Maryland teams. Maryland better stop looking up the ladder at long Island teams and first try to climb over Pennsylvania teams who are much better than Maryland now. NXT final four only had Long Island and Pennsylvania teams. Pennsylvania teams give Long Island teams a better game than Maryland teams for 2021.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We need to have NY/MD challenge tournament just like big10/acc challenge. See what state is better from top to bottom.

Hawks vs Express
Md91 vs igloo
API vs superteam
Crabs vs
FCA vs
Koopers vs
Rough Riders vs
Looneys vs
Cannons vs

Can't do it Ny only has 3 teams that can compete with the tops clubs from Maryland

Hey dummy, your post is meant for the 2022 thread......Oh yeah, your kid was 2021 until you re-classed him. Guess posting on the 2021 is an old habit that is tough to break.

Guys, go easy on the fella. Don't assume the son being heldback had anything to do with mental acuity, it might have been to gain an advantage on the lacrosse field. I wouldn't want anyone to jump to conclusions.

add icon orange to the list....

why? they have good defense and that's it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

add icon orange to the list....

The Icon team has a solid def, very good att, the need they had to upgrade was at mid as they lost their top mid from last year. I understand they added size and they do have top coaching. I saw at the Elite 80 two very good att and I thought they had the top def there. They will always be well coached and have very good lacrosse smarts, if they did add some size, they will be very good again.

What are good individual and team showcases that all good 8th graders should be looking at?

8th graders....none

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are good individual and team showcases that all good 8th graders should be looking at?

Prep School showcase, Black Card, Showtime

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are good individual and team showcases that all good 8th graders should be looking at?

Prep School showcase, Black Card, Showtime

What about Jake Reed ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are good individual and team showcases that all good 8th graders should be looking at?

Prep School showcase, Black Card, Showtime

What about Jake Reed ?

Jake used to be good washed up now

The top showcase by far is Maverick.

Please keep in mind if your kid isn't physically ready , you might want to wait a year before putting him in front of coaches. My kid going in to 9th grade was 5'4 140#. Has a junior he was 6ft 190. Going D1. But once coaches close book on you they hardly reopen it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please keep in mind if your kid isn't physically ready , you might want to wait a year before putting him in front of coaches. My kid going in to 9th grade was 5'4 140#. Has a junior he was 6ft 190. Going D1. But once coaches close book on you they hardly reopen it.

Very sensible and true statement. Happens to a lot of kids who rush into the lions den. Be ready.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please keep in mind if your kid isn't physically ready , you might want to wait a year before putting him in front of coaches. My kid going in to 9th grade was 5'4 140#. Has a junior he was 6ft 190. Going D1. But once coaches close book on you they hardly reopen it.

Not true at all, they just don't take notice, esspecially at this age

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We need to have NY/MD challenge tournament just like big10/acc challenge. See what state is better from top to bottom.

Hawks vs Express
Md91 vs igloo
API vs superteam
Crabs vs
FCA vs
Koopers vs
Rough Riders vs
Looneys vs
Cannons vs

Can't do it Ny only has 3 teams that can compete with the tops clubs from Maryland

Ok NY may have way too many clubs. The teams are watered down.
However, what's patently clear is NY's overwhelming dominance in terms of putting kids into NCAA lacrosse. Not even close...
2014-15
Total number of NCAA recruits: NY 649 MD 284
D1 Recruits: NY 244 MD 146
2015-16
Total number of NCAA recruits: NY 643 MD 305
D1 Recruits: NY 214 MD 118
2016-17
Total number of NCAA recruits: NY 651 MD 242
D1 Recruits: NY 242 MD 93

As you can see, the number of kids going on to play NCAA lacrosse from MD is shrinking, and the number of D1 recruits from MD is off the cliff. I think NY is doing just fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We need to have NY/MD challenge tournament just like big10/acc challenge. See what state is better from top to bottom.

Hawks vs Express
Md91 vs igloo
API vs superteam
Crabs vs
FCA vs
Koopers vs
Rough Riders vs
Looneys vs
Cannons vs

Can't do it Ny only has 3 teams that can compete with the tops clubs from Maryland

Ok NY may have way too many clubs. The teams are watered down.
However, what's patently clear is NY's overwhelming dominance in terms of putting kids into NCAA lacrosse. Not even close...
2014-15
Total number of NCAA recruits: NY 649 MD 284
D1 Recruits: NY 244 MD 146
2015-16
Total number of NCAA recruits: NY 643 MD 305
D1 Recruits: NY 214 MD 118
2016-17
Total number of NCAA recruits: NY 651 MD 242
D1 Recruits: NY 242 MD 93

As you can see, the number of kids going on to play NCAA lacrosse from MD is shrinking, and the number of D1 recruits from MD is off the cliff. I think NY is doing just fine.

I would hope so given my 5x the size of maryland

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We need to have NY/MD challenge tournament just like big10/acc challenge. See what state is better from top to bottom.

Hawks vs Express
Md91 vs igloo
API vs superteam
Crabs vs
FCA vs
Koopers vs
Rough Riders vs
Looneys vs
Cannons vs

Can't do it Ny only has 3 teams that can compete with the tops clubs from Maryland

Ok NY may have way too many clubs. The teams are watered down.
However, what's patently clear is NY's overwhelming dominance in terms of putting kids into NCAA lacrosse. Not even close...
2014-15
Total number of NCAA recruits: NY 649 MD 284
D1 Recruits: NY 244 MD 146
2015-16
Total number of NCAA recruits: NY 643 MD 305
D1 Recruits: NY 214 MD 118
2016-17
Total number of NCAA recruits: NY 651 MD 242
D1 Recruits: NY 242 MD 93

As you can see, the number of kids going on to play NCAA lacrosse from MD is shrinking, and the number of D1 recruits from MD is off the cliff. I think NY is doing just fine.

I would hope so given my 5x the size of maryland

How many of those NY kids are from LI, not just "NY"?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We need to have NY/MD challenge tournament just like big10/acc challenge. See what state is better from top to bottom.

Hawks vs Express
Md91 vs igloo
API vs superteam
Crabs vs
FCA vs
Koopers vs
Rough Riders vs
Looneys vs
Cannons vs

Can't do it Ny only has 3 teams that can compete with the tops clubs from Maryland

Ok NY may have way too many clubs. The teams are watered down.
However, what's patently clear is NY's overwhelming dominance in terms of putting kids into NCAA lacrosse. Not even close...
2014-15
Total number of NCAA recruits: NY 649 MD 284
D1 Recruits: NY 244 MD 146
2015-16
Total number of NCAA recruits: NY 643 MD 305
D1 Recruits: NY 214 MD 118
2016-17
Total number of NCAA recruits: NY 651 MD 242
D1 Recruits: NY 242 MD 93

As you can see, the number of kids going on to play NCAA lacrosse from MD is shrinking, and the number of D1 recruits from MD is off the cliff. I think NY is doing just fine.

I would hope so given my 5x the size of maryland

How many of those NY kids are from LI, not just "NY"?

How bout those Yankees!

2021 LI/NY Teams

9d1 Blaze
Igloo "BlackIce"
Legacy "Grey Hounds"
Express
Icon
Igloo "Avalanche"
9d1 "B"
Outlaws "Black"
Outlaws"Gold"
Bluefish

Copy and add
Bluefish

The 10th grader his all blaze has.

I understand the top showcases for 2021's are Maverick Showtime, Adrenaline Black Card, Jake Reed and Prep School Showcase and then Philly Freshman Showcase in the Fall.

I get that some top schools - Hopkins and UNC, for example - mostly filled their 2020 classes even before the Philly Freshman Showcase.

But is there any point to worrying about the whole showcase circuit until a player hits their growth spurt? Apart from size, post-puberty athleticism just seems different to me.

PS - NY has almost 4x the number of HS players as MD. Easy to find NFHS participation rates. Interesting how many players there are in non-hotbeds like CA, FL, GA, NC, VA, CO and OH.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 LI/NY Teams

9d1 Blaze
Igloo "BlackIce"
Legacy "Grey Hounds"
Express
Icon
Igloo "Avalanche"
9d1 "B"
Outlaws "Black"
Outlaws"Gold"
Bluefish

Copy and add
Bluefish

Add: Prime Time and Express North

More than half from Long Island. Maryland population is two thirds more than Nassau and Suffolk combined yet Long Island produces more college players than Maryland. Most Long Island kids playing college are the proper age and the Maryland kids playing in college have many holdbacks. Long Island is showing a trend going up and Maryland is going down numbers wise. Those are facts. Maryland should stiop stop looking up to try and compete with Long Island and pay more attention to Pennsylvania who is also better than them. Having seen all the top Maryland teams and Pennsylvania teams don't be surprised if the Pennsylvania kids get more college spots compared to Maryland in the near future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We need to have NY/MD challenge tournament just like big10/acc challenge. See what state is better from top to bottom.

Hawks vs Express
Md91 vs igloo
API vs superteam
Crabs vs
FCA vs
Koopers vs
Rough Riders vs
Looneys vs
Cannons vs

Can't do it Ny only has 3 teams that can compete with the tops clubs from Maryland

Ok NY may have way too many clubs. The teams are watered down.
However, what's patently clear is NY's overwhelming dominance in terms of putting kids into NCAA lacrosse. Not even close...
2014-15
Total number of NCAA recruits: NY 649 MD 284
D1 Recruits: NY 244 MD 146
2015-16
Total number of NCAA recruits: NY 643 MD 305
D1 Recruits: NY 214 MD 118
2016-17
Total number of NCAA recruits: NY 651 MD 242
D1 Recruits: NY 242 MD 93

As you can see, the number of kids going on to play NCAA lacrosse from MD is shrinking, and the number of D1 recruits from MD is off the cliff. I think NY is doing just fine.

I would hope so given my 5x the size of maryland

How many of those NY kids are from LI, not just "NY"?

My son was thinking of buying a wooden long pole for school and travel. Is he allowed to use it

great idea. then the coaches will notice him more

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 LI/NY Teams

9d1 Blaze
Igloo "BlackIce"
Legacy "Grey Hounds"
Express
Icon
Igloo "Avalanche"
9d1 "B"
Outlaws "Black"
Outlaws"Gold"
Bluefish

Copy and add
Bluefish

Unless the 2021 Bluefish team changed a lot of players this year, they are a very mediocre team, AT BEST. And who are the coaches for that team - same as last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 LI/NY Teams

9d1 Blaze
Igloo "BlackIce"
Legacy "Grey Hounds"
Express
Icon
Igloo "Avalanche"
9d1 "B"
Outlaws "Black"
Outlaws"Gold"
Bluefish

Copy and add
Bluefish

Add in True Blue - think that team's new additions - at least 1/4 new kids from other top programs - will surprise and impress in the spring.

Not to include PrimeTime2021 or Eclipse 2021 but you'll include Igloo Avalanche.....seriously flawed thinking there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 10th grader his all blaze has.

Right. I understand that he scores all the goals, makes all the assists, plays goalie, defense, long stick middie and takes all the faceoffs. BTW he is the captain and player coach.

2021 LI/NY/CT Teams

9d1 Blaze
Igloo "BlackIce"
ZumNuts "Grey Hounds"
Express
Icon
Igloo "Avalanche"
9d1 "B"
LI Outlaws "Black"
LI Outlaws"Gold"
Bluefish
Eclipse
Primetime
There is no order to these teams though if there was Igloo Black Ice would still be tops till 91 Blaze beats them or someone else for that matter

You forgot drives all the other kids to practice and games.

True Blue?

True Blue 2021 is a elite team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Blue 2021 is a elite team

I guess we will find out this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You forgot drives all the other kids to practice and games.

Yes. Sorry. Senior moment. Of course he drives all his teammates to practice. Just realize, most teams if not all, have multiple holdbacks. Several teams have double holdbacks. Unfortunately this issue is very prevalent. It all evens out in the end. No one should be training to be the best 13 year old or 15 year old as the case maybe. They should be training now to be the best 17 year old when the time comes.

True blue is and always will be a very weak program.they are never in any competitive tournaments.C level program at best

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Blue 2021 is a elite team

I guess we will find out this summer.

Do you really think that a parent related to True Blue posted that they are elite? It's obviously someone who wants to invite people to reply how they are not. Just like the ignorant tool bag who said they are a C team.

Not true . Who else but someone close to the team earlier said that True Blue 2021 added a lot of new players from elite programs and ranked the 2021 team with the other top programs.Not a tool bag but a honest question in response to a earlier post.

A earlier post stated True BLue 2021 added a lot of new players from elite programs. That is the reason for the question. Who would make or know this information

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true . Who else but someone close to the team earlier said that True Blue 2021 added a lot of new players from elite programs and ranked the 2021 team with the other top programs.Not a tool bag but a honest question in response to a earlier post.

The person who said they should be included in a long list of local teams, which is a logical suggestion is probably a parent. My point was that the statement that they are "Elite" was not. They have no delusions of grandeur.

True Blue 2021 will impress and surprise the top programs? Logical ? Is this true?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Blue 2021 will impress and surprise the top programs? Logical ? Is this true?

Wow - there is some real need for improved reading comprehension here in this forum group . . .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True blue is and always will be a very weak program.they are never in any competitive tournaments.C level program at best

Who cares ? For a "C" program, they seem to be putting a lot of kids in NCAA programs at all levels. Must be doing something right. I guess if you aren't going to a Big 10 or ACC school you should just quit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True blue is and always will be a very weak program.they are never in any competitive tournaments.C level program at best

Who cares ? For a "C" program, they seem to be putting a lot of kids in NCAA programs at all levels. Must be doing something right. I guess if you aren't going to a Big 10 or ACC school you should just quit.

22 of the '16s and 27 of the '17s . . . !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True blue is and always will be a very weak program.they are never in any competitive tournaments.C level program at best

Who cares ? For a "C" program, they seem to be putting a lot of kids in NCAA programs at all levels. Must be doing something right. I guess if you aren't going to a Big 10 or ACC school you should just quit.

22 of the '16s and 27 of the '17s . . . !

CR and JC are complete deusche's

Congrats to the true blue fan club that started this thread.this was the only way true blue was going to get any attention anywhere.lmao

They played in the 3 way scrimmage this fall against Ambush, Outlaws B team, and Express North. They lost all 3 games, maybe the Outlaws was a close won. Solid team, but in no way elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True blue is and always will be a very weak program.they are never in any competitive tournaments.C level program at best

Who cares ? For a "C" program, they seem to be putting a lot of kids in NCAA programs at all levels. Must be doing something right. I guess if you aren't going to a Big 10 or ACC school you should just quit.

22 of the '16s and 27 of the '17s . . . !

CR and JC are complete deusche's

They're German?? What's wrong with that??

Heard they got beat by a lot in those games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They played in the 3 way scrimmage this fall against Ambush, Outlaws B team, and Express North. They lost all 3 games, maybe the Outlaws was a close won. Solid team, but in no way elite.

Elite in C brackets.

You can put EC from TB in the mix with other 2, coaches only for the sole reason to make sure is kid plays, and any kid that is better he puts down, total loser. Guess what EC high school best kids play.and my kid blows yours away. Lol

True blue 2021 A coach is a narcissist who doesn't teach . Buyer beware . The rest of the program the people are decent . The coach is probably the person who started the post and when called out his condescending personality appeared

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite in C brackets.

I've read through all these posts and still trying to find where anyone said True Blue 2021 was elite . . .

Anyone ever been involved in the winter league @ Global Sports Centers in Garden City?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 LI/NY Teams

9d1 Blaze
Igloo "BlackIce"
Legacy "Grey Hounds"
Express
Icon
Igloo "Avalanche"
9d1 "B"
Outlaws "Black"
Outlaws"Gold"
Bluefish

Copy and add
Bluefish

Add in True Blue - think that team's new additions - at least 1/4 new kids from other top programs - will surprise and impress in the spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 LI/NY Teams

9d1 Blaze
Igloo "BlackIce"
Legacy "Grey Hounds"
Express
Icon
Igloo "Avalanche"
9d1 "B"
Outlaws "Black"
Outlaws"Gold"
Bluefish

Copy and add
Bluefish

Add in True Blue - think that team's new additions - at least 1/4 new kids from other top programs - will surprise and impress in the spring.

What is the story with True Blue. 2021

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard they got beat by a lot in those games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They played in the 3 way scrimmage this fall against Ambush, Outlaws B team, and Express North. They lost all 3 games, maybe the Outlaws was a close won. Solid team, but in no way elite.

They went 1-1-1 that day. . .

Lost all three. Ambush was 3-0. True Blue was 0-3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard they got beat by a lot in those games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They played in the 3 way scrimmage this fall against Ambush, Outlaws B team, and Express North. They lost all 3 games, maybe the Outlaws was a close won. Solid team, but in no way elite.

They went 1-1-1 that day. . .

They lost to Express North and Amush.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lost all three. Ambush was 3-0. True Blue was 0-3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard they got beat by a lot in those games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They played in the 3 way scrimmage this fall against Ambush, Outlaws B team, and Express North. They lost all 3 games, maybe the Outlaws was a close won. Solid team, but in no way elite.

They went 1-1-1 that day. . .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They lost to Express North and Amush.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lost all three. Ambush was 3-0. True Blue was 0-3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard they got beat by a lot in those games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They played in the 3 way scrimmage this fall against Ambush, Outlaws B team, and Express North. They lost all 3 games, maybe the Outlaws was a close won. Solid team, but in no way elite.

They went 1-1-1 that day. . .

Is that the new team from Lancaster, PA

In that 4 team scrimmage, I thought express north edged out Ambush. And TB got beat up fairly well by all. I was not impressed by TB at all. sorry

That is not a good sign for Ambush. Express North lost to Express B this Fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In that 4 team scrimmage, I thought express north edged out Ambush. And TB got beat up fairly well by all. I was not impressed by TB at all. sorry

There is no chance that Express B beat Express North. We all know that the Express teams on Long Island are a revolving door. If the entire roster is not available for the A-team for a tournament, they'll then call themselves the B team. The Express true B-team is unfortunately really not in the same conversation with Ambush.

That was there B team only.

Hi all, I never played Lacrosse before, but my son has played for some time now and on a decently competitive team. He wants to do some recruiting camps with his friends (even knowing there is little to no chance of being recruited). He has heard they are good fun, a great experience and is highly interested. Any suggestions on which showcases to attend. In other words, which are the best ones? Thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is not a good sign for Ambush. Express North lost to Express B this Fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In that 4 team scrimmage, I thought express north edged out Ambush. And TB got beat up fairly well by all. I was not impressed by TB at all. sorry

It was a close game, and Ambush was missing several players in that scrimmage. Fall ball isn't an indicator of much.

Express b lost to the greyhounds that same day so express A kids were not playing that day. When Ambush beat teams last fall who were missing players that did not matter. I guess it matters now since Ambush may have been missing players getting beat by a team that should never beat them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is not a good sign for Ambush. Express North lost to Express B this Fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In that 4 team scrimmage, I thought express north edged out Ambush. And TB got beat up fairly well by all. I was not impressed by TB at all. sorry

It was a close game, and Ambush was missing several players in that scrimmage. Fall ball isn't an indicator of much.

Express north has two teams (AA and B) look at their site. Ambush played their AA and both teams look good. Close game but edge out at the end because attack could not score. If the missing players were there, it would have been a lopsided score. You would only know that if you are on the team. Ambush is a very good team this year. Will be nice to c tougher competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express b lost to the greyhounds that same day so express A kids were not playing that day. When Ambush beat teams last fall who were missing players that did not matter. I guess it matters now since Ambush may have been missing players getting beat by a team that should never beat them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is not a good sign for Ambush. Express North lost to Express B this Fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In that 4 team scrimmage, I thought express north edged out Ambush. And TB got beat up fairly well by all. I was not impressed by TB at all. sorry

It was a close game, and Ambush was missing several players in that scrimmage. Fall ball isn't an indicator of much.

When you are missing several starters who were playing football, it is a big difference. It was a 1 point game, and Express North is a very good team. They will be going back and forth if they face each other this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express north has two teams (AA and B) look at their site. Ambush played their AA and both teams look good. Close game but edge out at the end because attack could not score. If the missing players were there, it would have been a lopsided score. You would only know that if you are on the team. Ambush is a very good team this year. Will be nice to c tougher competition.

It's fall ball and one team was missing some top players, but your assumption is that the opponent wasn't?? Maybe the opposing team was missing more key players than the other. How do you know??!

I guess only kids on Ambush play football?

Wow Ambush missing two attack and they can't beat a team Express B was able to beat. That is not an excuse. The entire starting team could be missing and they should have won. Ambush does not have three kids that would be missing to drop them to that low level. Face it Ambush is not good and that is why they play B teams all fall and in the Summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express north has two teams (AA and B) look at their site. Ambush played their AA and both teams look good. Close game but edge out at the end because attack could not score. If the missing players were there, it would have been a lopsided score. You would only know that if you are on the team. Ambush is a very good team this year. Will be nice to c tougher competition.

It's fall ball and one team was missing some top players, but your assumption is that the opponent wasn't?? Maybe the opposing team was missing more key players than the other. How do you know??!

Here are a few problems with your list - the Long Island Outlaws have three teams now in 2021. The LI Outlaws Select are now their top team- gold is second and black is third pal. Unfortunately - it makes this list an utter waste of time and potentially will make you dumber by reading it. Adding bluefish on this list also makes it impossible to understand the jade here.

To be completely frank- 2021 appears to have 5 teams a cut above the rest and 1 team a cut above those. 90+1 blaze proved too much for all teams in fall ball. Proven by all tourneys played.
Igloo black ice held off LI outlaws Select 5-2 and beat Express Channy 2X by 1 goal when they played at Blatant. They also crushed legacy grey hounds (as did most teams this fall) . Express beat LI outlaws Select and crushed the legacy Grey hounds. LI outlaws Select (they have a different uniform it appears) crushed legacy grey hounds 9-2. Outlaws Select best a number of good teams outside NY already like Looney's - and if you look at that initial post that even started the attempt at a NY list of 10 teams - it's about who could match up against the top MD area teams.
Icon hasn't played yet. LI empire has a decent top team but won't compete in top tier levels unless they have to. So let's see this spring. That's about it.
Those are the top LI teams for now. And we really only see 6 of them.

Everyone else goes to B. In 2021- Igloo Avalanche , 90+1 B and LI outlaws GOLD (the new middle team), the top true blue team, legacy B etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 LI/NY Teams

9d1 Blaze
Igloo "BlackIce"
Legacy "Grey Hounds"
Express
Icon
Igloo "Avalanche"
9d1 "B"
Outlaws "Black"
Outlaws"Gold"
Bluefish

Copy and add
Bluefish

1. Igloo "Black Ice" till they are beaten by one of the others
2. Blaze
3. Express
4. Icon
5. Greyhounds

In that order

Correct. Blaze is number one for now. Black ice does not play as much as other teams probably because they don't want to get beat. Now that most think they are number two they may play the top teams more often. Let's see what happens in the Summer and see if blaze will still be on top at the end.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here are a few problems with your list - the Long Island Outlaws have three teams now in 2021. The LI Outlaws Select are now their top team- gold is second and black is third pal. Unfortunately - it makes this list an utter waste of time and potentially will make you dumber by reading it. Adding bluefish on this list also makes it impossible to understand the jade here.

To be completely frank- 2021 appears to have 5 teams a cut above the rest and 1 team a cut above those. 90+1 blaze proved too much for all teams in fall ball. Proven by all tourneys played.
Igloo black ice held off LI outlaws Select 5-2 and beat Express Channy 2X by 1 goal when they played at Blatant. They also crushed legacy grey hounds (as did most teams this fall) . Express beat LI outlaws Select and crushed the legacy Grey hounds. LI outlaws Select (they have a different uniform it appears) crushed legacy grey hounds 9-2. Outlaws Select best a number of good teams outside NY already like Looney's - and if you look at that initial post that even started the attempt at a NY list of 10 teams - it's about who could match up against the top MD area teams.
Icon hasn't played yet. LI empire has a decent top team but won't compete in top tier levels unless they have to. So let's see this spring. That's about it.
Those are the top LI teams for now. And we really only see 6 of them.

Everyone else goes to B. In 2021- Igloo Avalanche , 90+1 B and LI outlaws GOLD (the new middle team), the top true blue team, legacy B etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 LI/NY Teams

9d1 Blaze
Igloo "BlackIce"
Legacy "Grey Hounds"
Express
Icon
Igloo "Avalanche"
9d1 "B"
Outlaws "Black"
Outlaws"Gold"
Bluefish

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YOU MUST HAVE JUST SMOKED AN EARLY MORNING FUNNY CIGARETTE ---- TILL THEY BEAT BLACK ICE BLAZE IS #2 ----when was the last time Blaze beat Black Ice ----you are right it is a new year and they have some CRUSH kids its all good till they beat Black Ice they are #2

Beer belly LI dads arguing over the rank of 8th grade lacrosse teams. Cute.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YOU MUST HAVE JUST SMOKED AN EARLY MORNING FUNNY CIGARETTE ---- TILL THEY BEAT BLACK ICE BLAZE IS #2 ----when was the last time Blaze beat Black Ice ----you are right it is a new year and they have some CRUSH kids its all good till they beat Black Ice they are #2

I am not associated with either team but must agree with this post. Blaze has never beat Igloo, Period. You cannot claim you are better if you lost every head to head match up. And yes, with the added players, some older, Blaze is not even a 2021 team anymore. So, Blaze 2021 has never and will never have beaten Igloo as a true 2021 team, regardless of what the future brings.

How about best teams in the country?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about best teams in the country?

Igloo BI
Blaze
Mad Dog West
Carolina Cannons
Express
Eclipse
Crabs
Green Turtle
TX mustangs
Mesa
Rising Sons
Maryland RR
Icon
West Coast Starz
Prime Time
Annapolis Hawks
Greyhounds
Edge(CA)

You can shuffle them how you want but Till they get beat Black Ice gets TOP Spot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YOU MUST HAVE JUST SMOKED AN EARLY MORNING FUNNY CIGARETTE ---- TILL THEY BEAT BLACK ICE BLAZE IS #2 ----when was the last time Blaze beat Black Ice ----you are right it is a new year and they have some CRUSH kids its all good till they beat Black Ice they are #2

I am not associated with either team but must agree with this post. Blaze has never beat Igloo, Period. You cannot claim you are better if you lost every head to head match up. And yes, with the added players, some older, Blaze is not even a 2021 team anymore. So, Blaze 2021 has never and will never have beaten Igloo as a true 2021 team, regardless of what the future brings.

Black Ice has never been a true 2021 team. They have had holdbacks and older kids from day one. They all have been doing it. Age based is the only way to go.

Blaze brought 4 Crush kids to the WSYL qualifiers and lost to Igloo by 7. At LaxFest Blaze lost by more to Igloo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about best teams in the country?

Igloo BI
Blaze
Mad Dog West
Carolina Cannons
Express
Eclipse
Crabs
Green Turtle
TX mustangs
Mesa
Rising Sons
Maryland RR
Icon
West Coast Starz
Prime Time
Annapolis Hawks
Greyhounds
Edge(CA)

You can shuffle them how you want but Till they get beat Black Ice gets TOP Spot

Are you all unemployed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about best teams in the country?

Igloo BI
Blaze
Mad Dog West
Carolina Cannons
Express
Eclipse
Crabs
Green Turtle
TX mustangs
Mesa
Rising Sons
Maryland RR
Icon
West Coast Starz
Prime Time
Annapolis Hawks
Greyhounds
Edge(CA)

You can shuffle them how you want but Till they get beat Black Ice gets TOP Spot

Rising Sons 2021 last year in July looked like a HS varsity-aged team based upon size, beard growth, etc - seemed like they were multi-year holdbacks across the board for their starters, at least!

If you are in Blaze or Igloo BI you would not even be responding to this. Yet you hide behind your computer talking with such resentment. Guess your the same guy who's kid got cut from northport and you give this team more "air time" once a week. Why don't you go to work, oh wait you work from home. Now it makes sense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about best teams in the country?

Igloo BI
Blaze
Mad Dog West
Carolina Cannons
Express
Eclipse
Crabs
Green Turtle
TX mustangs
Mesa
Rising Sons
Maryland RR
Icon
West Coast Starz
Prime Time
Annapolis Hawks
Greyhounds
Edge(CA)

You can shuffle them how you want but Till they get beat Black Ice gets TOP Spot

Rising Sons 2021 last year in July looked like a HS varsity-aged team based upon size, beard growth, etc - seemed like they were multi-year holdbacks across the board for their starters, at least!

News Flash, 90% of the Inter-Ac kids are minimum one year hold back. Epidemic proportions.

By mid July Igloo was not the best team. At NXT Mesa beat Igloo by 4 and one hour later Blaze beat Mesa by 11. True Igloo was the best up to the World Series and would have won it had it been a pure 2021 event but they are fading fast. Since Mid July to now Blaze has been the best. Igloo has not played Blaze since before mid July. Blaze has now been together with the new players for more time and are peaking at the right time. Both sides have good arguments claiming to be the best. They need to play against each other more than once a year to draw any conclusions on who is better based only on head to head especially when they have not played each other since before mid July. If they play five times this year Blaze would win at least three of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze brought 4 Crush kids to the WSYL qualifiers and lost to Igloo by 7. At LaxFest Blaze lost by more to Igloo.

True but lost to the Outlaws and Looney's but did tie Black Ice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about best teams in the country?

Igloo BI
Blaze
Mad Dog West
Carolina Cannons
Express
Eclipse
Crabs
Green Turtle
TX mustangs
Mesa
Rising Sons
Maryland RR
Icon
West Coast Starz
Prime Time
Annapolis Hawks
Greyhounds
Edge(CA)

You can shuffle them how you want but Till they get beat Black Ice gets TOP Spot

Rising Sons 2021 last year in July looked like a HS varsity-aged team based upon size, beard growth, etc - seemed like they were multi-year holdbacks across the board for their starters, at least!

How was the Brine tryout on Sunday? Heard there were a lot of kids, and a bunch of 7th graders too.

i guess but as long as I can remember back I think blaze/orange beat Igloo 1 time in probably 10 tries 3x last year .....until they play IGLOO is still top team I am sure Blaze is a great team and not taking anything away from them BUT until then sorry

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By mid July Igloo was not the best team. At NXT Mesa beat Igloo by 4 and one hour later Blaze beat Mesa by 11. True Igloo was the best up to the World Series and would have won it had it been a pure 2021 event but they are fading fast. Since Mid July to now Blaze has been the best. Igloo has not played Blaze since before mid July. Blaze has now been together with the new players for more time and are peaking at the right time. Both sides have good arguments claiming to be the best. They need to play against each other more than once a year to draw any conclusions on who is better based only on head to head especially when they have not played each other since before mid July. If they play five times this year Blaze would win at least three of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blaze brought 4 Crush kids to the WSYL qualifiers and lost to Igloo by 7. At LaxFest Blaze lost by more to Igloo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True but lost to the Outlaws and Looney's but did tie Black Ice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about best teams in the country?

Igloo BI
Blaze
Mad Dog West
Carolina Cannons
Express
Eclipse
Crabs
Green Turtle
TX mustangs
Mesa
Rising Sons
Maryland RR
Icon
West Coast Starz
Prime Time
Annapolis Hawks
Greyhounds
Edge(CA)

You can shuffle them how you want but Till they get beat Black Ice gets TOP Spot

Rising Sons 2021 last year in July looked like a HS varsity-aged team based upon size, beard growth, etc - seemed like they were multi-year holdbacks across the board for their starters, at least!

haha I actually laughed at this. So far from the truth.

The top 5 or 6 are accurate but after that, the list drops. It doesn't make sense. By the end of the year, the 3 best will be blaze, express, and, and mad dog west. Igloo will still be up there, but all teams are catching up to them they got worse over the summer.

Did igloo get worse over the summer. Or maybe the kids didn't give a [lacrosse] about some tournaments after playing on National TV in an NFL stadium.

Go with it if it makes you feel better.

Btw doesn't really matter any more. What matters is how good your kid is.

So igloo peaked after the Word Series? I guess they don't care anymore that is why they tied the Sons a few weeks ago and could only beat Express by one. I do agree it is now how good individuals are not who they play for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did igloo get worse over the summer. Or maybe the kids didn't give a [lacrosse] about some tournaments after playing on National TV in an NFL stadium.

Go with it if it makes you feel better.

Btw doesn't really matter any more. What matters is how good your kid is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did igloo get worse over the summer. Or maybe the kids didn't give a [lacrosse] about some tournaments after playing on National TV in an NFL stadium.

Go with it if it makes you feel better.

Btw doesn't really matter any more. What matters is how good your kid is.

Exactly, it just doesn't matter. I have seen B teams in 8th and 9th grade catch up to the AA teams. Why because many of the AA players are playing for their HS year round and travel just doesn't matter. Let's just enjoy this summer, congratulate each other on how well the boys are looking, and look forward to bashing each other on the HS forum next year.

Are there any true 2021 teams listed or do all of them have older kids?

Very hard to rate 1 thru whatever. My opinion Igloo is he top team until someone beats them more than once. 91 I understand with the few kids who reclassified and were on 2020 the past few years I'm sure is stronger but they must play Igloo a fews times. Eclipse typically beats Express, Crabs typically beats both of them, Icon typically beats Crabs and has beaten and lost to Eclipse and Express beat Icon last year. All those games are typically close games so all good top teams. Mad Dog I have not followed given their location but based on scores they also are top. Mesa and Rising Sons don't know who plays for who anymore but I know Rising Sons tied Igloo in the fall, lost to Icon in the spring and Mesa beat Icon in OT by 1 last spring. So overall I would go with Igloo/91 then bunch up about 6-7 teams. Hope they all play good games and as Bill Teirney said at the Elite showcase he can not remember one score of one youth game he has gone to in the last 5 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very hard to rate 1 thru whatever. My opinion Igloo is he top team until someone beats them more than once. 91 I understand with the few kids who reclassified and were on 2020 the past few years I'm sure is stronger but they must play Igloo a fews times. Eclipse typically beats Express, Crabs typically beats both of them, Icon typically beats Crabs and has beaten and lost to Eclipse and Express beat Icon last year. All those games are typically close games so all good top teams. Mad Dog I have not followed given their location but based on scores they also are top. Mesa and Rising Sons don't know who plays for who anymore but I know Rising Sons tied Igloo in the fall, lost to Icon in the spring and Mesa beat Icon in OT by 1 last spring. So overall I would go with Igloo/91 then bunch up about 6-7 teams. Hope they all play good games and as Bill Teirney said at the Elite showcase he can not remember one score of one youth game he has gone to in the last 5 years.

Pretty sure the Sons don't have any Mesa kids, in fact I know they don't.

Does anyone have their son play club lacrosse because their son likes the game and likes to compete? I find it comical that most posts end up talking about recruiting. Wake up a majority of our sons are not playing big time D1 lacrosse. Express, 91, Igloo, Icon, Outlaws, True Blue etc. That is 100 boys right there plus at least the first three programs have a second team. Yes the top few players on each team will play D1. The top teams will probably have several more who play D1. The rest are dreaming. Except in rare cases the scholarship money is not that significant. Teach your kid how to love the game and enjoy the highest level of competition. The rest will work itself out.

Primetime hands down best 2021 program in the East....picked up a bunch of studs you all will see next summer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone have their son play club lacrosse because their son likes the game and likes to compete? I find it comical that most posts end up talking about recruiting. Wake up a majority of our sons are not playing big time D1 lacrosse. Express, 91, Igloo, Icon, Outlaws, True Blue etc. That is 100 boys right there plus at least the first three programs have a second team. Yes the top few players on each team will play D1. The top teams will probably have several more who play D1. The rest are dreaming. Except in rare cases the scholarship money is not that significant. Teach your kid how to love the game and enjoy the highest level of competition. The rest will work itself out.

While I fully agree with most of what you posted, True Blue's 2017 class has at least 7 boys going on to play DI lacrosse. In that they are not even a top tier program, I am not sure your assessment about how many LI boys will play DI is accurate - but, yes, there is little lax scholarship money available for anyone given that every team has 12.6 scholarships, max, for teams of 40+.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Primetime hands down best 2021 program in the East....picked up a bunch of studs you all will see next summer!

So you are saying they picked up some 2020 and maybe a few 2019 players for their 2021 team that will play next summer?? Now that seems really fair, doesn't it. Plus your mentality of studs, what is a stud, please explain in your own words.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Primetime hands down best 2021 program in the East....picked up a bunch of studs you all will see next summer!

Ummmm. Is your son on the team or are you just a fan?

Loser.

This must me a joke. A couple of weeks ago Prime time lost to Carolina Also I saw Primetime struggle in a one goal win against 3d Colarado who is awful and Lost to Buck town. Prime time is not in the top 15 and would get beat by all of Long Islands top six teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Primetime hands down best 2021 program in the East....picked up a bunch of studs you all will see next summer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This must me a joke. A couple of weeks ago Prime time lost to Carolina Also I saw Primetime struggle in a one goal win against 3d Colarado who is awful and Lost to Buck town. Prime time is not in the top 15 and would get beat by all of Long Islands top six teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Primetime hands down best 2021 program in the East....picked up a bunch of studs you all will see next summer!

Fall means nothing my friend, many of the kids don't play in the fall, totally different team next summer and they still dominated in fall. Just saying, keep an eye out, haters can hate (as per above).

Stating facts is not hate. You may not like the facts and scores but they lost to Carolona and beat a team by one that lost to a PAL level team. I think that is more of an indication of how good prime time is and how good they will be than someone saying on here that they are the best in the east without a shred of evidence. Did you see every team play in the east? Goid luck this season in doing better than they did in the Fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This must me a joke. A couple of weeks ago Prime time lost to Carolina Also I saw Primetime struggle in a one goal win against 3d Colarado who is awful and Lost to Buck town. Prime time is not in the top 15 and would get beat by all of Long Islands top six teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Primetime hands down best 2021 program in the East....picked up a bunch of studs you all will see next summer!

Fall means nothing my friend, many of the kids don't play in the fall, totally different team next summer and they still dominated in fall. Just saying, keep an eye out, haters can hate (as per above).

After Li, what do you guys think will be the next brine team? CT? MD? Texas? West?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone have their son play club lacrosse because their son likes the game and likes to compete? I find it comical that most posts end up talking about recruiting. Wake up a majority of our sons are not playing big time D1 lacrosse. Express, 91, Igloo, Icon, Outlaws, True Blue etc. That is 100 boys right there plus at least the first three programs have a second team. Yes the top few players on each team will play D1. The top teams will probably have several more who play D1. The rest are dreaming. Except in rare cases the scholarship money is not that significant. Teach your kid how to love the game and enjoy the highest level of competition. The rest will work itself out.

While I fully agree with most of what you posted, True Blue's 2017 class has at least 7 boys going on to play DI lacrosse. In that they are not even a top tier program, I am not sure your assessment about how many LI boys will play DI is accurate - but, yes, there is little lax scholarship money available for anyone given that every team has 12.6 scholarships, max, for teams of 40+.

I agree with what you say as well. As a counterpoint, though, consider if most of your 2021 team wants to play in college; if folks know college coaches will be looking at 2021's this Summer; age 13 or 14 is too young to know if your kid is going to grow into DI material; and your son's favorite team, like JHU or UNC, will basically fill its 2021 recruiting class by the end of August 2017. How can you as a coach not take recruiting into account when you make your 2017 plans? How can you expect parents not to care - and sports parents are generally pretty crazy in terms of thinking little Johnny will be the next Paul Rabil and frantically looking for greener pastures versus their kid having fun.

For example, take a 2021 team that will probably have a number of potential D3 and probably no DI players. But you don't know. The team might have six DI players if they all grew to 6'2". That 90-lb 14 year old might have size 11 feet and dad that played pro sports for a couple years after college.

Until kids grow, however, I don't see the point of chasing PS Showcase, or Black Card or Showtime or Jake Reed, and it will suck if they turn out to be good enough but lose their 2021 recruiting spots to early maturers and reclasses. But, thank god, it shouldn't suck that much now that Duke and UVA are slowing down their recruiting timetable and ND was already slow. My point is only is that if you are eventually good enough, you will be OK even if you can't go to UNC or JHU (although that really would suck if you were in-state in NC).

I can help with this. Your kid isn't playing at UVA, UNC or ND. Or JHU for that matter. How do I know that? Playing the odds.

There are 108,000 high school lacrosse players in the U.S. Each of the schools above will take a class of about 12 players in a year. So, in total 48 players. So your kid has a 0.04% chance of playing at one of those schools. Good luck with that!

Play for the love of the game. Not to get some elusive scholarship.

Read the post...lost to whoever without majority of team. You will see ....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can help with this. Your kid isn't playing at UVA, UNC or ND. Or JHU for that matter. How do I know that? Playing the odds.

There are 108,000 high school lacrosse players in the U.S. Each of the schools above will take a class of about 12 players in a year. So, in total 48 players. So your kid has a 0.04% chance of playing at one of those schools. Good luck with that!

Play for the love of the game. Not to get some elusive scholarship.

How many club parents do you think believe their kid is the exception?

To many,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can help with this. Your kid isn't playing at UVA, UNC or ND. Or JHU for that matter. How do I know that? Playing the odds.

There are 108,000 high school lacrosse players in the U.S. Each of the schools above will take a class of about 12 players in a year. So, in total 48 players. So your kid has a 0.04% chance of playing at one of those schools. Good luck with that!

Play for the love of the game. Not to get some elusive scholarship.

How many club parents do you think believe their kid is the exception?

Mine is as is his younger brother. Most of our club team players are the exception also. Our former D1 coach says that entire team besides a few will be D1. Now for the rest of you..Dream on!! Most of you parents need to get a clue. Only a few of us will make it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can help with this. Your kid isn't playing at UVA, UNC or ND. Or JHU for that matter. How do I know that? Playing the odds.

There are 108,000 high school lacrosse players in the U.S. Each of the schools above will take a class of about 12 players in a year. So, in total 48 players. So your kid has a 0.04% chance of playing at one of those schools. Good luck with that!

Play for the love of the game. Not to get some elusive scholarship.

How many club parents do you think believe their kid is the exception?

Mine is as is his younger brother. Most of our club team players are the exception also. Our former D1 coach says that entire team besides a few will be D1. Now for the rest of you..Dream on!! Most of you parents need to get a clue. Only a few of us will make it.

Did he say that right before your tuition payment was due?

I think it's great when a club team or as HS team can have 15-20 D1 commits. They are surely well-coached, really good lacrosse players with excellent connections.

What I think is really interesting is whether D1 programs that stock up on early recruits from the top clubs and HS's - who have all the skills in the world - will fare versus programs that cherry pick some hotbed kids but also try to grab the best athletes in the entire school from the Southeast, West Coast and Midwest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This must me a joke. A couple of weeks ago Prime time lost to Carolina Also I saw Primetime struggle in a one goal win against 3d Colarado who is awful and Lost to Buck town. Prime time is not in the top 15 and would get beat by all of Long Islands top six teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Primetime hands down best 2021 program in the East....picked up a bunch of studs you all will see next summer!

Fall means nothing my friend, many of the kids don't play in the fall, totally different team next summer and they still dominated in fall. Just saying, keep an eye out, haters can hate (as per above).

He may be right, Prime Time 2020 is now 80% reclassified players, and this summer is when the reclassified 9th graders can 'legitimately' play 2021. 'Studs' is the new code word for hold-backs, and Prime Time is the new leader in that category in the Northeast.

It's already happening! The days of the 2nd tier high IQ and high skill kids lacking high athleticism or size from pedigreed programs and HS are now being bypassed by better athletes from the non-traditional areas that have a much higher upside.

What will be the next best brine team after Li?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What will be the next best brine team after Li?

Whatever team that the LI team beats in the Championship. My guess would be Maryland, since they have a later cut off date for school, so our 13 & 14 year old rising ninth graders will be playing against their 15 year old rising ninth graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What will be the next best brine team after Li?

Whatever team that the LI team beats in the Championship. My guess would be Maryland, since they have a later cut off date for school, so our 13 & 14 year old rising ninth graders will be playing against their 15 year old rising ninth graders.

The top MD kids don't try out for Brine for the most part. It's no longer considered an elite event.

igloo BI players going back to Denver for WSYL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

igloo BI players going back to Denver for WSYL

If they meet the age requirements, then who cares its age based not grade!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

igloo BI players going back to Denver for WSYL

If they meet the age requirements, then who cares its age based not grade!!!!

I'm sure Blaze will do the same. At least they are in the program. The team that Legacy put together was not even made up of Legacy kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

igloo BI players going back to Denver for WSYL

If they meet the age requirements, then who cares its age based not grade!!!!

I'm sure Blaze will do the same. At least they are in the program. The team that Legacy put together was not even made up of Legacy kids.

Speaking of NUTS! Your all NUTS!!! That was way too easy, LOL. BOI!

FREDDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! igloo/zoom nuts 20/21 whatever...FREDDDY!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

igloo BI players going back to Denver for WSYL

If they meet the age requirements, then who cares its age based not grade!!!!

I'm sure Blaze will do the same. At least they are in the program. The team that Legacy put together was not even made up of Legacy kids.

I like the change of name from [******] to Zumnuts better. At least I know who people are talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

igloo BI players going back to Denver for WSYL

If they meet the age requirements, then who cares its age based not grade!!!!

I'm sure Blaze will do the same. At least they are in the program. The team that Legacy put together was not even made up of Legacy kids.

You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about. I see you must like Trump...just say whatever c$@p comes out of your mouth and it must be true. Smh

Team Carolina 2021 recently beat Prime Time 2021 8-7 at fl$ in 3D. Great game by two talented teams. Tight game the whole way; came down to a TC goal and defensive stop in the final minute.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

igloo BI players going back to Denver for WSYL

If they meet the age requirements, then who cares its age based not grade!!!!

I'm sure Blaze will do the same. At least they are in the program. The team that Legacy put together was not even made up of Legacy kids.

You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about. I see you must like Trump...just say whatever c$@p comes out of your mouth and it must be true. Smh

Make 8th grade Lacrosse Great Again!!!! TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

Originally Posted by Anonymous

igloo BI players going back to Denver for WSYL

If they meet the age requirements, then who cares its age based not grade!!!!

I'm sure Blaze will do the same. At least they are in the program. The team that Legacy put together was not even made up of Legacy kids.

You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about. I see you must like Trump...just say whatever c$@p comes out of your mouth and it must be true. Smh

Make 8th grade Lacrosse Great Again!!!! TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

That is because Legacy computer's and rosters were hacked by Russians. Rootin Putin had it out for Legacy.

Just to dispel some serious misinformation about lacrosse recruiting, I need to share some information. A friend of mine brought his son to Syracuse yesterday to their Prospect Day. It was a combination of invited kids and kids who showed up and was open to 2019, 2020, and 2021. There were 4 2021 kids there and none of them were invited. The other 90 plus kids were 2019, and 2020. So if one of the top lax schools in the country is inviting 2019 and 2020 kids, then stop saying that if you don't get an offer in 8th grade, you are done. By the way, the talent was ridiculously good. One kid from Ottawa was incredible, and a long pole from BBL was outstanding.

I spoke to a dad of 2 boys who both committed to major D1 Schools. He said that he avoided the Prospect Days in 8th grade so that his sons wouldn't get labeled too early by the coaches. Sure they may look at them and say that they are only 8th grade, but that first impression against 9th and 10th graders could really hurt them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to dispel some serious misinformation about lacrosse recruiting, I need to share some information. A friend of mine brought his son to Syracuse yesterday to their Prospect Day. It was a combination of invited kids and kids who showed up and was open to 2019, 2020, and 2021. There were 4 2021 kids there and none of them were invited. The other 90 plus kids were 2019, and 2020. So if one of the top lax schools in the country is inviting 2019 and 2020 kids, then stop saying that if you don't get an offer in 8th grade, you are done. By the way, the talent was ridiculously good. One kid from Ottawa was incredible, and a long pole from BBL was outstanding.

Stop it. "the old, A friend of mine" but ends with saying the talent was ridiculously good. Just say you were there, there was 50-60 kids, not 90. End it with, it was a great environment to get showcased with 3 teams going round robin after drills. Worth its weight if either a pipe dream or reality.

Additionally, you called out players and used words like incredible and outstanding but didnt call out IMHO the biggest change changer of the day (red helmet knee brace fogo) that is a shame! I also thought there were '18's there just disguised as 20's. Finally, IMHO, thought the 2021's didnt bring anything to the table.

I was there, and yes, the 2021's didn't shine, but weren't out of place either. I don't remember Red helmet, but do remember the 6'2" Ottawa kid who looked great, and the BBL kid who was a beast on defense. Totally agree that it was worth it for everyone who went, even the 2021's. According to the jersey numbers there were about 68 there, as 168 was the highest number and they were all 100 series numbers. I tell you what, it was a real eye opener for my kid. He was couldn't believe how good the kids were, but calmed down and felt better after the scrimmage. This is not something for the average kid to do, but a great thing for the kids who seriously think that they can play D1 ball. One parent I spoke to felt that it was a mistake to bring 2021's as the person who posted stated because they could get labeled as too small, slow, etc. I don't agree. I also agree that nobody should panic as a 2021 if they don't get a D1 offer. There was plenty of 2019 talent, and yes, there were 17 year olds, my kid said that several admitted to it. And yes, the coaches care more about ability at age than grade. Desko said that they are looking for the basics from the young boys.

nobody should panic as a 2021 if they don't get a D1 offer... Am I the only one taking crazy pills?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there, and yes, the 2021's didn't shine, but weren't out of place either. I don't remember Red helmet, but do remember the 6'2" Ottawa kid who looked great, and the BBL kid who was a beast on defense. Totally agree that it was worth it for everyone who went, even the 2021's. According to the jersey numbers there were about 68 there, as 168 was the highest number and they were all 100 series numbers. I tell you what, it was a real eye opener for my kid. He was couldn't believe how good the kids were, but calmed down and felt better after the scrimmage. This is not something for the average kid to do, but a great thing for the kids who seriously think that they can play D1 ball. One parent I spoke to felt that it was a mistake to bring 2021's as the person who posted stated because they could get labeled as too small, slow, etc. I don't agree. I also agree that nobody should panic as a 2021 if they don't get a D1 offer. There was plenty of 2019 talent, and yes, there were 17 year olds, my kid said that several admitted to it. And yes, the coaches care more about ability at age than grade. Desko said that they are looking for the basics from the young boys.

Sorry I didnt see any defensive players who stood out and I saw the BBL kid. thick and strong but not studly. Like most of the poles did not display a high IQ. Not the BBL kid, but the poles pushed way to much.

To me only one team stood out. Ottawa lefty was good but lots of talent on that team. middie in the gold helmet, the two other attack/middie in the black helmets. I don't think any defensemen/goalies stopped that offense. They fed off the face off wins and the face off kid got the reps from them. Face off kid was unstoppable and probably led to the coaches doing goalie clears instead of faceoffs. That team played well together. A few of us dads thought they knew each other.

I am sorry if you didnt recognize the face off kid. But that team had two good middies and 3 good attack.

17 year olds??? Not too sure. Think it was a good day for 19/20's not sure about 21's. Dads were very up front about the boys ages; there were 16 year old freshman and 15 year old sophomores.

Great day and great experience. Not sold on 8th graders as a whole attending these but that's just me. You 21's have a big summer ahead of you but it is not the be all end all. Wonder if anyone got any calls or imvites after their play.

Face off kids look good when they have little to no competition, which is usually the case at prospect days, so please stop promoting this kid as great. The coaches know this as well and will not recruit that position until they see the kid go up against the strongest kids in the grade and fair well.

As for 8th graders. Yes, they are on the radar and will begin to commit in just a few months. The will be scouted a couple more times to look for consistency, and you should have the first few by late May/Early June.

Happy Holidays everyone. Looking foward to an exciting 2017. Many of the boys are taking lax much more seriously this year, so there will be more talent. Enjoy this New Years with your family.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Face off kids look good when they have little to no competition, which is usually the case at prospect days, so please stop promoting this kid as great. The coaches know this as well and will not recruit that position until they see the kid go up against the strongest kids in the grade and fair well.

As for 8th graders. Yes, they are on the radar and will begin to commit in just a few months. The will be scouted a couple more times to look for consistency, and you should have the first few by late May/Early June.

Lol, you know, a defenseman looks good if he doesn't play solid attack. stop promoting the BBL defense men. Use your same logic.

Did 9+1 lose to Eagle in the NE Box tourney?

HOW IS THE DRUNK EXPRESS COACH WORKING OUT !!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did 9+1 lose to Eagle in the NE Box tourney?

B

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did 9+1 lose to Eagle in the NE Box tourney?

B

It is still very impressive that an unknown Philly team could beat any of the 9+1 teams.

I heard Eagle was mostly kids from TriStae in NJ

Happy New Year all! Does anyone have an opinion on Brine NLC vs Under Armour Underclass Tournament? My son did Brine last summer and although playing for his state team (CT) was neat I was just ok with the event itself. There was way too much down time between games and it was hotter than the surface of the sun there. I also question how much of a recruiting event it really is and I want to spend my money wisely this summer. Is UA a better event/ legit recruiting event?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Happy New Year all! Does anyone have an opinion on Brine NLC vs Under Armour Underclass Tournament? My son did Brine last summer and although playing for his state team (CT) was neat I was just ok with the event itself. There was way too much down time between games and it was hotter than the surface of the sun there. I also question how much of a recruiting event it really is and I want to spend my money wisely this summer. Is UA a better event/ legit recruiting event?

I believe UA is considered the better of the two. Person who did UA said there were many coaches at tryouts and the games. The older boys who did Brine from our area definitely weren't the stronger players, which UA seemed much more selective (though many argue the teams are pre-chosen). I would try to get into Showtime or Freshman Fall showcase that NXT runs (also the NLF one I think during fall). And prospect camps. Also try to play in top level tourneys, e.g. NLF, Crabfeast, Big 4 Summer/Fall, etc. Hope this helps! I think everyone's experiences are different when it comes to recruiting so no one right answer. . .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Happy New Year all! Does anyone have an opinion on Brine NLC vs Under Armour Underclass Tournament? My son did Brine last summer and although playing for his state team (CT) was neat I was just ok with the event itself. There was way too much down time between games and it was hotter than the surface of the sun there. I also question how much of a recruiting event it really is and I want to spend my money wisely this summer. Is UA a better event/ legit recruiting event?

I believe UA is considered the better of the two. Person who did UA said there were many coaches at tryouts and the games. The older boys who did Brine from our area definitely weren't the stronger players, which UA seemed much more selective (though many argue the teams are pre-chosen). I would try to get into Showtime or Freshman Fall showcase that NXT runs (also the NLF one I think during fall). And prospect camps. Also try to play in top level tourneys, e.g. NLF, Crabfeast, Big 4 Summer/Fall, etc. Hope this helps! I think everyone's experiences are different when it comes to recruiting so no one right answer. . .

Shouldn't every player try to do all that, you know, play in the best tourneys, do prospect camps and play in the nation's top events?

Summer goign into 9th grade Brine
Fall 9th grade Phily Freshman
Summer going into 10th grade UA underclass
Summer going into 9/10/11 Showtime
Summer goign into 11 Brine or UA

But some of the under the radar showcases have just as much coaches. Per some of the coaches Each conference will try and set up their own Showcase IE ACC showcase Ivy league etc.

Id say get into those. Some may say money grab but a great way to get in front of specific coaches. I think you take the time to get in front of the coaches of the schools you like find out where they will be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Summer goign into 9th grade Brine
Fall 9th grade Phily Freshman
Summer going into 10th grade UA underclass
Summer going into 9/10/11 Showtime
Summer goign into 11 Brine or UA

But some of the under the radar showcases have just as much coaches. Per some of the coaches Each conference will try and set up their own Showcase IE ACC showcase Ivy league etc.

Id say get into those. Some may say money grab but a great way to get in front of specific coaches. I think you take the time to get in front of the coaches of the schools you like find out where they will be.

Brine is a total waste of time, absolutely no recruting value, and very expensive. Used to be a fun event, now there are so many better options.

With possibly early recruiting legislation on the way we may see 2021 commits sooner than expected. Crazy though it may be, I wouldn't bed surprised.

Please end the madness.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With possibly early recruiting legislation on the way we may see 2021 commits sooner than expected. Crazy though it may be, I wouldn't bed surprised.

Please end the madness.

I want my son to be the first 7th grade commit. It'll help his name get out there and onto the coach's radar.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With possibly early recruiting legislation on the way we may see 2021 commits sooner than expected. Crazy though it may be, I wouldn't bed surprised.

Please end the madness.

I want my son to be the first 7th grade commit. It'll help his name get out there and onto the coach's radar.

Get a shout out from Ty and you will be on your way!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With possibly early recruiting legislation on the way we may see 2021 commits sooner than expected. Crazy though it may be, I wouldn't bed surprised.

Please end the madness.

I want my son to be the first 7th grade commit. It'll help his name get out there and onto the coach's radar.

If he was committed he would already be on the radar smart guy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With possibly early recruiting legislation on the way we may see 2021 commits sooner than expected. Crazy though it may be, I wouldn't bed surprised.

Please end the madness.

Settle down, this will not happen. Coaches don't want it. Their actions speak louder than words.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With possibly early recruiting legislation on the way we may see 2021 commits sooner than expected. Crazy though it may be, I wouldn't bed surprised.

Please end the madness.

I want my son to be the first 7th grade commit. It'll help his name get out there and onto the coach's radar.

If he was committed he would already be on the radar smart guy

You dope. Read the post and realize it's a joke. Smart guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With possibly early recruiting legislation on the way we may see 2021 commits sooner than expected. Crazy though it may be, I wouldn't bed surprised.

Please end the madness.

I want my son to be the first 7th grade commit. It'll help his name get out there and onto the coach's radar.

Considering he is probably a catholic school prefirst and 8 grade holdback, you may have a chance! ; p

My son is a very young 8th grader. Considering the opponents we saw on the field, I know my son doesn't have a chance to standout out until he hits puberty. We don't whine about it, its not something our family even talks about. He plays the game because its fun. Period.

Adults are ruining this great game for many but its mainly because you allow it to happen. You can not control the holdbacks, so why sweat it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With possibly early recruiting legislation on the way we may see 2021 commits sooner than expected. Crazy though it may be, I wouldn't bed surprised.

Please end the madness.

I want my son to be the first 7th grade commit. It'll help his name get out there and onto the coach's radar.

Considering he is probably a catholic school prefirst and 8 grade holdback, you may have a chance! ; p

Private non Catholic schools is where this happens way more than in a Catholic elementary school or the few Catholic schools that have middle and high schools together. Need to become more familiar with the workings of the private schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With possibly early recruiting legislation on the way we may see 2021 commits sooner than expected. Crazy though it may be, I wouldn't bed surprised.

Please end the madness.

I want my son to be the first 7th grade commit. It'll help his name get out there and onto the coach's radar.

Considering he is probably a catholic school prefirst and 8 grade holdback, you may have a chance! ; p

Private non Catholic schools is where this happens way more than in a Catholic elementary school or the few Catholic schools that have middle and high schools together. Need to become more familiar with the workings of the private schools.

We are seeing kids re-enter public school system after spending 8th grade in Catholic (should have been Freshman year). Is this common?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With possibly early recruiting legislation on the way we may see 2021 commits sooner than expected. Crazy though it may be, I wouldn't bed surprised.

Please end the madness.

I want my son to be the first 7th grade commit. It'll help his name get out there and onto the coach's radar.

Considering he is probably a catholic school prefirst and 8 grade holdback, you may have a chance! ; p

Private non Catholic schools is where this happens way more than in a Catholic elementary school or the few Catholic schools that have middle and high schools together. Need to become more familiar with the workings of the private schools.

We are seeing kids re-enter public school system after spending 8th grade in Catholic (should have been Freshman year). Is this common?

Who is "we", and are you saying that kids are repeating 8th grade in public after completing that grade in private?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With possibly early recruiting legislation on the way we may see 2021 commits sooner than expected. Crazy though it may be, I wouldn't bed surprised.

Please end the madness.

I want my son to be the first 7th grade commit. It'll help his name get out there and onto the coach's radar.

Considering he is probably a catholic school prefirst and 8 grade holdback, you may have a chance! ; p

Private non Catholic schools is where this happens way more than in a Catholic elementary school or the few Catholic schools that have middle and high schools together. Need to become more familiar with the workings of the private schools.

We are seeing kids re-enter public school system after spending 8th grade in Catholic (should have been Freshman year). Is this common?

Not really for Catholic schools unless there is an academic reason. The private schools do not really care that much, they seem to look at as additional income and hope that the kid will remain at their school after 8th grade. Most privates in this area go from K to 12th grade, so they are more flexible to move kids around.

I just don't get it. My son is playing with 9th and 10th graders. Will he get a D1 offer? Probably not. The competition is very tough. But his only chance to play at the college level is to challenge himself and improve. Not play against younger kids just to look better. Those younger kids will catch up and then what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With possibly early recruiting legislation on the way we may see 2021 commits sooner than expected. Crazy though it may be, I wouldn't bed surprised.

Please end the madness.

I want my son to be the first 7th grade commit. It'll help his name get out there and onto the coach's radar.

Considering he is probably a catholic school prefirst and 8 grade holdback, you may have a chance! ; p

Private non Catholic schools is where this happens way more than in a Catholic elementary school or the few Catholic schools that have middle and high schools together. Need to become more familiar with the workings of the private schools.

We are seeing kids re-enter public school system after spending 8th grade in Catholic (should have been Freshman year). Is this common?

Who is "we", and are you saying that kids are repeating 8th grade in public after completing that grade in private?

No, leaving public schools after 8th, attending private school for a year and then rejoining public school as a Freshman. I believe that is what the parents are doing. Not sure of the reasoning, but it doesn't seem kosher.

In our town we've had more than one family rent a house to enroll their kid in our school system. They rented out their house and will go back to where they came from when their son graduates HS. Sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With possibly early recruiting legislation on the way we may see 2021 commits sooner than expected. Crazy though it may be, I wouldn't bed surprised.

Please end the madness.

I want my son to be the first 7th grade commit. It'll help his name get out there and onto the coach's radar.

Considering he is probably a catholic school prefirst and 8 grade holdback, you may have a chance! ; p

Private non Catholic schools is where this happens way more than in a Catholic elementary school or the few Catholic schools that have middle and high schools together. Need to become more familiar with the workings of the private schools.

We are seeing kids re-enter public school system after spending 8th grade in Catholic (should have been Freshman year). Is this common?

I've seen it in our town also. 8th Grade Public. 8th Grade Private and now back in the public school as a freshman. An 'A' level player who had begun plateauing, but of course the family denies lacrosse had anything to do with the move...always difficult to say, but a husky kid who was already an honor student and I would beg to differ..(The sad thing is, and I'm sure I'll take heat for saying it, but poor kid is now a holdback, and not getting the same recruiting preference that other holdbacks who are at prep schools get)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just don't get it. My son is playing with 9th and 10th graders. Will he get a D1 offer? Probably not. The competition is very tough. But his only chance to play at the college level is to challenge himself and improve. Not play against younger kids just to look better. Those younger kids will catch up and then what?

If you want to get better, play up. If you want to look better, play down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just don't get it. My son is playing with 9th and 10th graders. Will he get a D1 offer? Probably not. The competition is very tough. But his only chance to play at the college level is to challenge himself and improve. Not play against younger kids just to look better. Those younger kids will catch up and then what?

If you want to get better, play up. If you want to look better, play down.

My oldest son played up for 2 years (he was invited by the coach) and it made him a much better player. Now a HS Junior and committed to a top 15 team. But amazingly, it feels like the lacrosse landscape has changed so much in just the last 2-3 years. No one plays up now.

Each parent has to make choices that are best for their own kid. The question is most parents have no clue on what is best and listen to a lacrosse coach instead of doctors and school professionals when they hold a kid back. Holding back a kid may make a kid stand out more on the lacrosse field but it comes with a price. Hold backs or kids that are reclassified for sports based on studies have a higher rate of psychological problems as adults and are less successful. They may get instant rewards by making a better college but that benefit according to studies is short lived as the kid gets older and has to deal with real life issues. Also the college they get into as a holdback may be upgraded had they not been held back but the major they are forced to take is almost always useless. There are no short cuts in life. In fact short cuts most of the time will backfire.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Each parent has to make choices that are best for their own kid. The question is most parents have no clue on what is best and listen to a lacrosse coach instead of doctors and school professionals when they hold a kid back. Holding back a kid may make a kid stand out more on the lacrosse field but it comes with a price. Hold backs or kids that are reclassified for sports based on studies have a higher rate of psychological problems as adults and are less successful. They may get instant rewards by making a better college but that benefit according to studies is short lived as the kid gets older and has to deal with real life issues. Also the college they get into as a holdback may be upgraded had they not been held back but the major they are forced to take is almost always useless. There are no short cuts in life. In fact short cuts most of the time will backfire.

There are no studies to support that statement. You just made that up. Nice try.

does that apply to double hold backs? 24 year old seniors?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just don't get it. My son is playing with 9th and 10th graders. Will he get a D1 offer? Probably not. The competition is very tough. But his only chance to play at the college level is to challenge himself and improve. Not play against younger kids just to look better. Those younger kids will catch up and then what?

If you want to get better, play up. If you want to look better, play down.

My oldest son played up for 2 years (he was invited by the coach) and it made him a much better player. Now a HS Junior and committed to a top 15 team. But amazingly, it feels like the lacrosse landscape has changed so much in just the last 2-3 years. No one plays up now.

With the current grade based system, and with early recruiting occurring in that environment, what's the incentive not to play down or not to hold back?? I can only speak for baseball recruitment, which is an age based system, where recruiters want to see you play up, and those playing 'on age' in regional tournaments are considered mid tier players, as opposed to the elite who play up an age or 2. (Of course National tournaments are on age for the most part) I know everyone likes to blast those who holdback or 'play down' but frankly why not take advantage of the grade based system ?? It really does feel like it's dramatically changed over the last 2-3 years, and my real concern is for that mid level youth player in the grade based system and the growth of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Each parent has to make choices that are best for their own kid. The question is most parents have no clue on what is best and listen to a lacrosse coach instead of doctors and school professionals when they hold a kid back. Holding back a kid may make a kid stand out more on the lacrosse field but it comes with a price. Hold backs or kids that are reclassified for sports based on studies have a higher rate of psychological problems as adults and are less successful. They may get instant rewards by making a better college but that benefit according to studies is short lived as the kid gets older and has to deal with real life issues. Also the college they get into as a holdback may be upgraded had they not been held back but the major they are forced to take is almost always useless. There are no short cuts in life. In fact short cuts most of the time will backfire.

I use WAZE to drive to/from work. The app gives me shortcuts, they almost always work, just sayin'

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Each parent has to make choices that are best for their own kid. The question is most parents have no clue on what is best and listen to a lacrosse coach instead of doctors and school professionals when they hold a kid back. Holding back a kid may make a kid stand out more on the lacrosse field but it comes with a price. Hold backs or kids that are reclassified for sports based on studies have a higher rate of psychological problems as adults and are less successful. They may get instant rewards by making a better college but that benefit according to studies is short lived as the kid gets older and has to deal with real life issues. Also the college they get into as a holdback may be upgraded had they not been held back but the major they are forced to take is almost always useless. There are no short cuts in life. In fact short cuts most of the time will backfire.

I use WAZE to drive to/from work. The app gives me shortcuts, they almost always work, just sayin'

Priceless!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In our town we've had more than one family rent a house to enroll their kid in our school system. They rented out their house and will go back to where they came from when their son graduates HS. Sad.

Why is it sad for a family to move to a (what I assume you to mean "better") school district while their kids are in school? Do you believe that you are fundamentally entitled to have your kids go to a different public school than someone that legally resides in your district? If so, what is the criteria for your discrimination? Again, you are saying it is sad for a legal resident to go to the "public" school in your district, which became their district when they began legally residing in the house that they rent. If you think you are better than another citizen, for whatever reason, than you may be the saddest example of an American that I have ever seen on this forum. Despite some of the contentious debate that goes on among us lacrosse people, this is the first time I have ever seen anyone actually randomly promote discrimination on this site. You, sir or madam, are sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In our town we've had more than one family rent a house to enroll their kid in our school system. They rented out their house and will go back to where they came from when their son graduates HS. Sad.

Why is it sad for a family to move to a (what I assume you to mean "better") school district while their kids are in school? Do you believe that you are fundamentally entitled to have your kids go to a different public school than someone that legally resides in your district? If so, what is the criteria for your discrimination? Again, you are saying it is sad for a legal resident to go to the "public" school in your district, which became their district when they began legally residing in the house that they rent. If you think you are better than another citizen, for whatever reason, than you may be the saddest example of an American that I have ever seen on this forum. Despite some of the contentious debate that goes on among us lacrosse people, this is the first time I have ever seen anyone actually randomly promote discrimination on this site. You, sir or madam, are sad.

Its sad that parents would uproot an entire family so that their son can play lacrosse at a "powerhouse" school for 3 years. The two daughters had to leave their friends behind. How am I discriminating?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In our town we've had more than one family rent a house to enroll their kid in our school system. They rented out their house and will go back to where they came from when their son graduates HS. Sad.

Why is it sad for a family to move to a (what I assume you to mean "better") school district while their kids are in school? Do you believe that you are fundamentally entitled to have your kids go to a different public school than someone that legally resides in your district? If so, what is the criteria for your discrimination? Again, you are saying it is sad for a legal resident to go to the "public" school in your district, which became their district when they began legally residing in the house that they rent. If you think you are better than another citizen, for whatever reason, than you may be the saddest example of an American that I have ever seen on this forum. Despite some of the contentious debate that goes on among us lacrosse people, this is the first time I have ever seen anyone actually randomly promote discrimination on this site. You, sir or madam, are sad.

Its sad that parents would uproot an entire family so that their son can play lacrosse at a "powerhouse" school for 3 years. The two daughters had to leave their friends behind. How am I discriminating?

That has been going on for decades. I had two kids who moved into the district (80's) and were legally adopted by families then when they graduated they went back to their hometown. They are both super successful, family is intact, extended family is intact. No negative impact on anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In our town we've had more than one family rent a house to enroll their kid in our school system. They rented out their house and will go back to where they came from when their son graduates HS. Sad.

Why is it sad for a family to move to a (what I assume you to mean "better") school district while their kids are in school? Do you believe that you are fundamentally entitled to have your kids go to a different public school than someone that legally resides in your district? If so, what is the criteria for your discrimination? Again, you are saying it is sad for a legal resident to go to the "public" school in your district, which became their district when they began legally residing in the house that they rent. If you think you are better than another citizen, for whatever reason, than you may be the saddest example of an American that I have ever seen on this forum. Despite some of the contentious debate that goes on among us lacrosse people, this is the first time I have ever seen anyone actually randomly promote discrimination on this site. You, sir or madam, are sad.

Its sad that parents would uproot an entire family so that their son can play lacrosse at a "powerhouse" school for 3 years. The two daughters had to leave their friends behind. How am I discriminating?

Because that is not what you said. You said it was sad that they rented in your town to go to school in your district. I was compelled to read what you wrote.

There are countless studies that support this. Not only as adults but also as kids there are self-esteem issues and many other long term issues that result. An older kid looks and acts different compared to younger kids in his grade. Also you are telling your kid he can't compete with kids his own age. The mind is very complicated. The seeds you plant indirectly by holding back are harmful. Find this study below and go on the internet and search some of these terms and you will see holding back results in many problems.

2003 "Position Statement on Student Grade Retention," the National Association of School Psychologists (NASP)concluded:

* Academic achievement of kids who are retained is poorer than that of peers who are promoted.
* Achievement gains associated with retention fade within two to three years after the grade repeated.
* Retention often is associated with increased behavior problems.
* Grade retention has a negative impact on all areas of a child's achievement (reading, math, and language) and socio-emotional adjustment (peer relationships, self-esteem, problem behaviors, and attendance).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Each parent has to make choices that are best for their own kid. The question is most parents have no clue on what is best and listen to a lacrosse coach instead of doctors and school professionals when they hold a kid back. Holding back a kid may make a kid stand out more on the lacrosse field but it comes with a price. Hold backs or kids that are reclassified for sports based on studies have a higher rate of psychological problems as adults and are less successful. They may get instant rewards by making a better college but that benefit according to studies is short lived as the kid gets older and has to deal with real life issues. Also the college they get into as a holdback may be upgraded had they not been held back but the major they are forced to take is almost always useless. There are no short cuts in life. In fact short cuts most of the time will backfire.

There are no studies to support that statement. You just made that up. Nice try.

My friend what really sad is someone (most likely a coach) sold you on bringing your son to their district , you are spending the money to appease that coach because his son needs the support so they as a team can win the next 4 years in a school district setting. Not only are you guilty of doing such a foolish act so are others from your travel organization. If you think your going to be welcomed , you have another thing coming.
Its funny how people like you think others are oblivious to whats going on. Lets all move to a district for the next four years to Play Lacrosse , And don't say its all about the education that's being offered.. its a public school. And the last we checked the schools that you all are coming from are just as equal academically .Cant Wait to see the parents who think its so great to have all these high end players show up in their district when the rest of those life long residents kids end up being benched for the next four years .
If you think the coaches are going to have full control on whats going to happen you are dead wrong! What actual position will be available when this all is said and done ?
Have fun with your revolution and Coaches have fun dealing with it ! I am Sure this will make the AD so proud of his accomplishments when he def didn't need this on his resume.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In our town we've had more than one family rent a house to enroll their kid in our school system. They rented out their house and will go back to where they came from when their son graduates HS. Sad.

Why is it sad for a family to move to a (what I assume you to mean "better") school district while their kids are in school? Do you believe that you are fundamentally entitled to have your kids go to a different public school than someone that legally resides in your district? If so, what is the criteria for your discrimination? Again, you are saying it is sad for a legal resident to go to the "public" school in your district, which became their district when they began legally residing in the house that they rent. If you think you are better than another citizen, for whatever reason, than you may be the saddest example of an American that I have ever seen on this forum. Despite some of the contentious debate that goes on among us lacrosse people, this is the first time I have ever seen anyone actually randomly promote discrimination on this site. You, sir or madam, are sad.

This is a Joke! Lets move our family to a district so our son can play with his travel Teammates and live the Travel lifestyle in HS for the next 4 years .. Way to go you full fledged psycho parents , hope you eventually pull your nose back from the A@@ of your kids coach , did your daughters get an offer to play locally in college as well ?? hey you should demand some perks at this rate dropping everything to cater to someone else's vision of HS champion status that never worked out for himself as a kid .

Its sad that parents would uproot an entire family so that their son can play lacrosse at a "powerhouse" school for 3 years. The two daughters had to leave their friends behind. How am I discriminating? [/quote]

what town is this happening????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In our town we've had more than one family rent a house to enroll their kid in our school system. They rented out their house and will go back to where they came from when their son graduates HS. Sad.

Why is it sad for a family to move to a (what I assume you to mean "better") school district while their kids are in school? Do you believe that you are fundamentally entitled to have your kids go to a different public school than someone that legally resides in your district? If so, what is the criteria for your discrimination? Again, you are saying it is sad for a legal resident to go to the "public" school in your district, which became their district when they began legally residing in the house that they rent. If you think you are better than another citizen, for whatever reason, than you may be the saddest example of an American that I have ever seen on this forum. Despite some of the contentious debate that goes on among us lacrosse people, this is the first time I have ever seen anyone actually randomly promote discrimination on this site. You, sir or madam, are sad.

Its sad that parents would uproot an entire family so that their son can play lacrosse at a "powerhouse" school for 3 years. The two daughters had to leave their friends behind. How am I discriminating?

Still angry the Crook lost? OBVIOUSLY, this is a lacrosse forum and the post was set in that context. Parents uproot family to attend a "powerhouse" HS........FOR LACROSSE. You really couldn't make that leap?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In our town we've had more than one family rent a house to enroll their kid in our school system. They rented out their house and will go back to where they came from when their son graduates HS. Sad.

Why is it sad for a family to move to a (what I assume you to mean "better") school district while their kids are in school? Do you believe that you are fundamentally entitled to have your kids go to a different public school than someone that legally resides in your district? If so, what is the criteria for your discrimination? Again, you are saying it is sad for a legal resident to go to the "public" school in your district, which became their district when they began legally residing in the house that they rent. If you think you are better than another citizen, for whatever reason, than you may be the saddest example of an American that I have ever seen on this forum. Despite some of the contentious debate that goes on among us lacrosse people, this is the first time I have ever seen anyone actually randomly promote discrimination on this site. You, sir or madam, are sad.

Its sad that parents would uproot an entire family so that their son can play lacrosse at a "powerhouse" school for 3 years. The two daughters had to leave their friends behind. How am I discriminating?

Still angry the Crook lost? OBVIOUSLY, this is a lacrosse forum and the post was set in that context. Parents uproot family to attend a "powerhouse" HS........FOR LACROSSE. You really couldn't make that leap?

Seeing as how most "powerhouse" lacrosse schools are also very good high schools (Manhasset, Garden City, Cold Spring Harbor, Ward Melville, etc.), seems like a pretty good way to game the system -- paying a few years worth of rent is far, far cheaper than the ~$1 million or so entry fee for many of these towns.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are countless studies that support this. Not only as adults but also as kids there are self-esteem issues and many other long term issues that result. An older kid looks and acts different compared to younger kids in his grade. Also you are telling your kid he can't compete with kids his own age. The mind is very complicated. The seeds you plant indirectly by holding back are harmful. Find this study below and go on the internet and search some of these terms and you will see holding back results in many problems.

2003 "Position Statement on Student Grade Retention," the National Association of School Psychologists (NASP)concluded:

* Academic achievement of kids who are retained is poorer than that of peers who are promoted.
* Achievement gains associated with retention fade within two to three years after the grade repeated.
* Retention often is associated with increased behavior problems.
* Grade retention has a negative impact on all areas of a child's achievement (reading, math, and language) and socio-emotional adjustment (peer relationships, self-esteem, problem behaviors, and attendance).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Each parent has to make choices that are best for their own kid. The question is most parents have no clue on what is best and listen to a lacrosse coach instead of doctors and school professionals when they hold a kid back. Holding back a kid may make a kid stand out more on the lacrosse field but it comes with a price. Hold backs or kids that are reclassified for sports based on studies have a higher rate of psychological problems as adults and are less successful. They may get instant rewards by making a better college but that benefit according to studies is short lived as the kid gets older and has to deal with real life issues. Also the college they get into as a holdback may be upgraded had they not been held back but the major they are forced to take is almost always useless. There are no short cuts in life. In fact short cuts most of the time will backfire.

There are no studies to support that statement. You just made that up. Nice try.

And that study had to do with disadvantaged inner city students. Again show me the study that shows hold back lacrosse players suffering from these things. The vast majority of lacrosse players are upper middle class or wealthy. Sorry but the rich kid hold back doesn't suffer from your BS. Just accept the fact that hold backs are there and move on. No hold back has ever had an impact on my son. As a matter of fact I don't know a single holdback and I live in one of the largest public school districts in Long Island. Where are these hold backs?

where is your empirical data about "the vast majority..."?
you are doing exactly what you are complaining about.

Hold backs are kids that their parents and club coach realize are got the top kid in their class. So they hold back a year, but talent wise they will always be second teir.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

where is your empirical data about "the vast majority..."?
you are doing exactly what you are complaining about.

You are correct, I speak only from what I see, and I see no maladjusted holdbacks.

What if a hold back is in 8th grade and summer 2017 comes along and he has his drivers license and your son doesn't have a ride to the two a day practices his club coach is holding , would you allow your rising freshman to get into the car with another rising freshman who is legal to drive ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What if a hold back is in 8th grade and summer 2017 comes along and he has his drivers license and your son doesn't have a ride to the two a day practices his club coach is holding , would you allow your rising freshman to get into the car with another rising freshman who is legal to drive ??

If you were the only other option, probably.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What if a hold back is in 8th grade and summer 2017 comes along and he has his drivers license and your son doesn't have a ride to the two a day practices his club coach is holding , would you allow your rising freshman to get into the car with another rising freshman who is legal to drive ??

And this question is relevant to the topic at hand how?!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What if a hold back is in 8th grade and summer 2017 comes along and he has his drivers license and your son doesn't have a ride to the two a day practices his club coach is holding , would you allow your rising freshman to get into the car with another rising freshman who is legal to drive ??

And this question is relevant to the topic at hand how?!

in NY, at least, cant do that - at 16 - then your talking a 17 year old rising freshman then your on drugs. and couldnt compete in the later years of HS due to being to old... blowing [lacrosse] up just to try to prove a point.

Obvious this hit a sore spot psycho mom as this topic swings from your big family move over to a holdback who will be driving in 9th grade , either case he may be driving your son to practice as that will be one more position taken as well narrowing down the roster to a fight what Long time permanent resident will be able to crack the 2nd lline .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What if a hold back is in 8th grade and summer 2017 comes along and he has his drivers license and your son doesn't have a ride to the two a day practices his club coach is holding , would you allow your rising freshman to get into the car with another rising freshman who is legal to drive ??

And this question is relevant to the topic at hand how?!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In our town we've had more than one family rent a house to enroll their kid in our school system. They rented out their house and will go back to where they came from when their son graduates HS. Sad.

Why is it sad for a family to move to a (what I assume you to mean "better") school district while their kids are in school? Do you believe that you are fundamentally entitled to have your kids go to a different public school than someone that legally resides in your district? If so, what is the criteria for your discrimination? Again, you are saying it is sad for a legal resident to go to the "public" school in your district, which became their district when they began legally residing in the house that they rent. If you think you are better than another citizen, for whatever reason, than you may be the saddest example of an American that I have ever seen on this forum. Despite some of the contentious debate that goes on among us lacrosse people, this is the first time I have ever seen anyone actually randomly promote discrimination on this site. You, sir or madam, are sad.

Its sad that parents would uproot an entire family so that their son can play lacrosse at a "powerhouse" school for 3 years. The two daughters had to leave their friends behind. How am I discriminating?

Still angry the Crook lost? OBVIOUSLY, this is a lacrosse forum and the post was set in that context. Parents uproot family to attend a "powerhouse" HS........FOR LACROSSE. You really couldn't make that leap?

Seeing as how most "powerhouse" lacrosse schools are also very good high schools (Manhasset, Garden City, Cold Spring Harbor, Ward Melville, etc.), seems like a pretty good way to game the system -- paying a few years worth of rent is far, far cheaper than the ~$1 million or so entry fee for many of these towns.

Its not costing them much as they are renting out their own home in the other town. Frankly, I think its BS, but I guess I'm discriminating against someone by saying that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obvious this hit a sore spot psycho mom as this topic swings from your big family move over to a holdback who will be driving in 9th grade , either case he may be driving your son to practice as that will be one more position taken as well narrowing down the roster to a fight what Long time permanent resident will be able to crack the 2nd lline .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What if a hold back is in 8th grade and summer 2017 comes along and he has his drivers license and your son doesn't have a ride to the two a day practices his club coach is holding , would you allow your rising freshman to get into the car with another rising freshman who is legal to drive ??

And this question is relevant to the topic at hand how?!

Usually the holdbacks are well off, so if he gets in an accident while driving my son I will sue! Make sure the Umbrella Policy is paid before your kid gets in the car.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In our town we've had more than one family rent a house to enroll their kid in our school system. They rented out their house and will go back to where they came from when their son graduates HS. Sad.

Why is it sad for a family to move to a (what I assume you to mean "better") school district while their kids are in school? Do you believe that you are fundamentally entitled to have your kids go to a different public school than someone that legally resides in your district? If so, what is the criteria for your discrimination? Again, you are saying it is sad for a legal resident to go to the "public" school in your district, which became their district when they began legally residing in the house that they rent. If you think you are better than another citizen, for whatever reason, than you may be the saddest example of an American that I have ever seen on this forum. Despite some of the contentious debate that goes on among us lacrosse people, this is the first time I have ever seen anyone actually randomly promote discrimination on this site. You, sir or madam, are sad.

Its sad that parents would uproot an entire family so that their son can play lacrosse at a "powerhouse" school for 3 years. The two daughters had to leave their friends behind. How am I discriminating?

Still angry the Crook lost? OBVIOUSLY, this is a lacrosse forum and the post was set in that context. Parents uproot family to attend a "powerhouse" HS........FOR LACROSSE. You really couldn't make that leap?

Seeing as how most "powerhouse" lacrosse schools are also very good high schools (Manhasset, Garden City, Cold Spring Harbor, Ward Melville, etc.), seems like a pretty good way to game the system -- paying a few years worth of rent is far, far cheaper than the ~$1 million or so entry fee for many of these towns.

Its not costing them much as they are renting out their own home in the other town. Frankly, I think its BS, but I guess I'm discriminating against someone by saying that?

Yes, you are correct, you are spouting discrimination. People move freely within the USA, whether it be for education, work, or they just freaking feel like trying something different.

"Discrimination"? You might want to look up that word - I don't think it means what you think it does!

What tournaments are your travel teams doing this summer? So far, my son's team is doing:
NYLA
LI Lax Fest
Shore Point Classic
Young Guns
NLF Summer Championship

Looks like the 9d1 double reclass won't be the 1st '21 recruit. Looks like someone beat him to it today, a reclass beating a reclass, lol, can't make this garbage up!

Anybody play in the MLK Lacrosse tournament in Sayville? Good day, Bad day? Results?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the 9d1 double reclass won't be the 1st '21 recruit. Looks like someone beat him to it today, a reclass beating a reclass, lol, can't make this garbage up!

Who? What School?

Who committed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the 9d1 double reclass won't be the 1st '21 recruit. Looks like someone beat him to it today, a reclass beating a reclass, lol, can't make this garbage up!

Who? What School?

Ty talking about it, didn't say the school

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the 9d1 double reclass won't be the 1st '21 recruit. Looks like someone beat him to it today, a reclass beating a reclass, lol, can't make this garbage up!

Who? What School?

Ty talking about it, didn't say the school

Boston U. True 2020 11/2001 DOB

First 2021 player commited in the Fall. He is a true 2021 with a birth year 2003. So these Reclass/Holdbacks were not first.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the 9d1 double reclass won't be the 1st '21 recruit. Looks like someone beat him to it today, a reclass beating a reclass, lol, can't make this garbage up!

Who? What School?

Ty talking about it, didn't say the school

Boston U. True 2020 11/2001 DOB

Sorry but born 11/2001 should be a 2019. Being born 11/2001 is a holdback and then later a Reclass or double holdback. True 2020 cutoff birth date is 12/2001 and after. What a joke.
quote=Anonymous]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the 9d1 double reclass won't be the 1st '21 recruit. Looks like someone beat him to it today, a reclass beating a reclass, lol, can't make this garbage up!

Who? What School?

Ty talking about it, didn't say the school

Boston U. True 2020 11/2001 DOB [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First 2021 player commited in the Fall. He is a true 2021 with a birth year 2003. So these Reclass/Holdbacks were not first.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the 9d1 double reclass won't be the 1st '21 recruit. Looks like someone beat him to it today, a reclass beating a reclass, lol, can't make this garbage up!

Who? What School?

Ty talking about it, didn't say the school

Boston U. True 2020 11/2001 DOB

A 2001 birthdate for a 2021 is pathetic. The player's club is actually publicing the commitment on twitter. It is bad enough that most of the dominant 2021 players are born in 2002 but a 2001 birthdate is new low. Some people have no shame. Guess all you with kids taller then both their parents at "13" better commit now..........

2001 birthdate is a 2020 or 2019. What a joke.

True 2021 commit from WHERE ? DON'T BELIEVE IT ....CALLING BS

True. Player from a top team. . Not Igloo. Not Blaze. Not Express. The director with many conections is coming through for his kids. It is not my place to announce it here but ask around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True 2021 commit from WHERE ? DON'T BELIEVE IT ....CALLING BS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True. Player from a top team. . Not Igloo. Not Blaze. Not Express. The director with many conections is coming through for his kids. It is not my place to announce it here but ask around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True 2021 commit from WHERE ? DON'T BELIEVE IT ....CALLING BS

MY doesn't have holdbacks all there kids are actually 1-2 years younger...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True. Player from a top team. . Not Igloo. Not Blaze. Not Express. The director with many conections is coming through for his kids. It is not my place to announce it here but ask around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True 2021 commit from WHERE ? DON'T BELIEVE IT ....CALLING BS

Did check around, no such thing, previous poster correct calling BS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True. Player from a top team. . Not Igloo. Not Blaze. Not Express. The director with many conections is coming through for his kids. It is not my place to announce it here but ask around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True 2021 commit from WHERE ? DON'T BELIEVE IT ....CALLING BS

MY doesn't have holdbacks all there kids are actually 1-2 years younger...

What? Please clarify.

you are not asking the correct people. After you talk to some Icon parents or director you will find if it is true. It seems that parents made the wrong choice in going with a top team for all that money. Icon kids getting looks for half the price.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True. Player from a top team. . Not Igloo. Not Blaze. Not Express. The director with many conections is coming through for his kids. It is not my place to announce it here but ask around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True 2021 commit from WHERE ? DON'T BELIEVE IT ....CALLING BS

Did check around, no such thing, previous poster correct calling BS

ooks are different from commitments ----- lots of kids are getting looks from all clubs 2021 not sure what you are speaking of kids on Blaze are getting looks and all other top teams . Just be happy nobody is hating but committed and looks are 2 entirely different things

Icon is a great program, but way too far to go to from Suffolk. My kid wouldn't know what to do with a college offer at this point. No rush, plenty of time. Nobody watches a college game and say, wow, that player committed in 8th grade.

If the icon kid committed in 8th grade winter to OSU did this director "realllllly" do his job. I would vote NO

He had three offers. Not sure which one he took. It depends on the kid if it was a good move or not. It is a good problem to have.

quote=Anonymous]If the icon kid committed in 8th grade winter to OSU did this director "realllllly" do his job. I would vote NO [/quote]

Yes. The director helps get offers. It is the parents job with the kid to accept or reject any offer. Looks like the icon parents made the right choice in picking a program. There are better players out there not getting offers while the icon kids are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the icon kid committed in 8th grade winter to OSU did this director "realllllly" do his job. I would vote NO

You don't need club lacrosse to get offers. Go to Prospect camps. And bring your grades with you.

What is the difference it you coming in 8th or 9th? This is a real question

The Icon kid DIDNOT commit to OSU.

Stop the nonsense. The top players will end up playing big time D1 lacrosse regardless of the club they play for. There are enough opportunities for college coaches to see those players. The real question is how many other players on a given club team end up playing college lacrosse.

Big clubs are a joke, if you can play they will find you. Long Island Tide 2017, over 20 D1 commits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don't need club lacrosse to get offers. Go to Prospect camps. And bring your grades with you.

Agree that can work but being in front of coaches more times gives you a better chance hence club lacrosse

Don't know don't care if any kid in 8th grade committed. If he plays for Icon or any kid that plays for Icon, they have the advantage of some of the best and most well respected people in the country. I don't think any of his coach's or the club owner would have him make any decision with doing all their homework. I have seen that team play and yes Igloo and 91 are very talented teams but that team has a number of kids that will end up going to some very schools because of their talent yes, most important but also any coach who looks at them will know they are being taught the right way. The college coach's will know who has being teaching them and know what those guys say is the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don't need club lacrosse to get offers. Go to Prospect camps. And bring your grades with you.

Agree that can work but being in front of coaches more times gives you a better chance hence club lacrosse

Generally speaking, yes, but even then, Club coaches are only pushing a certain few players with each college recruiting coach. Most college coaches are not watching whole teams, but 4 or 5 numbers that a club coach has relayed. Of course somebody else could have a stand out game, or great afternoon and that could garner interest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don't need club lacrosse to get offers. Go to Prospect camps. And bring your grades with you.

Agree that can work but being in front of coaches more times gives you a better chance hence club lacrosse

Generally speaking, yes, but even then, Club coaches are only pushing a certain few players with each college recruiting coach. Most college coaches are not watching whole teams, but 4 or 5 numbers that a club coach has relayed. Of course somebody else could have a stand out game, or great afternoon and that could garner interest.

Actually, the coaches scout the kids who email them and show interest in the school. I have been to plenty of prospect days and the coaches all say the same, "Send me your schedule and why you want to play here and I'll make sure someone comes see you play"

Perfectly said

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't know don't care if any kid in 8th grade committed. If he plays for Icon or any kid that plays for Icon, they have the advantage of some of the best and most well respected people in the country. I don't think any of his coach's or the club owner would have him make any decision with doing all their homework. I have seen that team play and yes Igloo and 91 are very talented teams but that team has a number of kids that will end up going to some very schools because of their talent yes, most important but also any coach who looks at them will know they are being taught the right way. The college coach's will know who has being teaching them and know what those guys say is the truth.

funny, I always thought you give a college coach an athlete and he will teach him his way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't know don't care if any kid in 8th grade committed. If he plays for Icon or any kid that plays for Icon, they have the advantage of some of the best and most well respected people in the country. I don't think any of his coach's or the club owner would have him make any decision with doing all their homework. I have seen that team play and yes Igloo and 91 are very talented teams but that team has a number of kids that will end up going to some very schools because of their talent yes, most important but also any coach who looks at them will know they are being taught the right way. The college coach's will know who has being teaching them and know what those guys say is the truth.

funny, I always thought you give a college coach an athlete and he will teach him his way.

you are correct.

So are you saying that a college coach would rather take a kid with no lacrosse IQ, don't know if he is coachable, not fundamentally sound, poor lacrosse skills and I can go on, over a kid who has those. Then very surprised more kids from Freeport and Hempstead who are just pure athletes are not recruited.

I did not write that post but they do take raw players who are athletes rather than settle on a less athletic or slow player who has no or little upside or has peaked even if more talented in high school.If a kid is not fast they have little chance of making it even with great skills. Size is of course important but they will not take a big slow kid. Speed is everything which many times means an athlete. How many slow players or medium speed players at the college level have you seen playing? They are all fast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I did not write that post but they do take raw players who are athletes rather than settle on a less athletic or slow player who has no or little upside or has peaked even if more talented in high school.If a kid is not fast they have little chance of making it even with great skills. Size is of course important but they will not take a big slow kid. Speed is everything which many times means an athlete. How many slow players or medium speed players at the college level have you seen playing? They are all fast.

Not in lacrosse they don't. If you have no stick skills in college you will get destroyed. For that matter you'll get destroyed in High School with substandard stick skill. Peruse the rosters of most D-1 programs and find the players who never played HS lax at a very high level.

I did not see anyone say someone with no stick stills are going to make it. Good to average stick skills and very fast will beat out slow kid with great stick skills if the good to average person is an athlete. An athlete can always learn skills. It happens many times. Kid starts lax in 9th grade and is behind in the skills but a fast athlete and makes D1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I did not write that post but they do take raw players who are athletes rather than settle on a less athletic or slow player who has no or little upside or has peaked even if more talented in high school.If a kid is not fast they have little chance of making it even with great skills. Size is of course important but they will not take a big slow kid. Speed is everything which many times means an athlete. How many slow players or medium speed players at the college level have you seen playing? They are all fast.

Not in lacrosse they don't. If you have no stick skills in college you will get destroyed. For that matter you'll get destroyed in High School with substandard stick skill. Peruse the rosters of most D-1 programs and find the players who never played HS lax at a very high level.

So wait a minute you mean to tell me We don't have to live the "Blaze" lifestyle and you mean to tell me I can send emails out without having the travel program involved , and may be able to keep that organization out of our affairs with placing my son with the right fit college who shows interest in him from their camps ? Do we still have to give the organization credit and let them boiste on how they got my son committed with his pic on their website ? If that's the case I will have my son train hard with camps and clinics and save a ton of money .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don't need club lacrosse to get offers. Go to Prospect camps. And bring your grades with you.

Agree that can work but being in front of coaches more times gives you a better chance hence club lacrosse

Generally speaking, yes, but even then, Club coaches are only pushing a certain few players with each college recruiting coach. Most college coaches are not watching whole teams, but 4 or 5 numbers that a club coach has relayed. Of course somebody else could have a stand out game, or great afternoon and that could garner interest.

Actually, the coaches scout the kids who email them and show interest in the school. I have been to plenty of prospect days and the coaches all say the same, "Send me your schedule and why you want to play here and I'll make sure someone comes see you play"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I did not see anyone say someone with no stick stills are going to make it. Good to average stick skills and very fast will beat out slow kid with great stick skills if the good to average person is an athlete. An athlete can always learn skills. It happens many times. Kid starts lax in 9th grade and is behind in the skills but a fast athlete and makes D1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I did not write that post but they do take raw players who are athletes rather than settle on a less athletic or slow player who has no or little upside or has peaked even if more talented in high school.If a kid is not fast they have little chance of making it even with great skills. Size is of course important but they will not take a big slow kid. Speed is everything which many times means an athlete. How many slow players or medium speed players at the college level have you seen playing? They are all fast.

Not in lacrosse they don't. If you have no stick skills in college you will get destroyed. For that matter you'll get destroyed in High School with substandard stick skill. Peruse the rosters of most D-1 programs and find the players who never played HS lax at a very high level.

As I said, check the D-1 Rosters and name the players who were not very good HS players. Then find the kid with great speed but not a great HS player. You won't, every kid is at the least an All County player.

I know this is a 2021 threat but I have to comment. John Grant Jr is 40 something years old most likely can't run a 6.0 40 yard dash, can someone name a better attackman playing now. There are a list of players who are not that big strong fast athlete who have been great not just good but great. Maybe a middie needs that speed but the list is long of smart lacrosse players with excellent skills who have been real good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know this is a 2021 threat but I have to comment. John Grant Jr is 40 something years old most likely can't run a 6.0 40 yard dash, can someone name a better attackman playing now. There are a list of players who are not that big strong fast athlete who have been great not just good but great. Maybe a middie needs that speed but the list is long of smart lacrosse players with excellent skills who have been real good.

Grant was kicked out of the olympics for steroids. Maybe I'll get my little Johnnie into "roids" to keep up with the holdbacks.

The list is long of some real good players who were simply good smart lacrosse players with real good skills, not fast,not big, not strong just good lacrosse players.
Did not know lacrosse was in the Olympics. Was the Russia lacrosse team kicked out also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The list is long of some real good players who were simply good smart lacrosse players with real good skills, not fast,not big, not strong just good lacrosse players.
Did not know lacrosse was in the Olympics. Was the Russia lacrosse team kicked out also.

Yes...Russia was kicked out also...its documented in Crooked Hilarys emails.

What was Grant kicked out of the Olympics for? Didn't see anything out there indicating this.

They are all fast. Some may not be as fast as others but those smart players with stick skills being spoken about are still very fast or quick. If there is a slower or medium speed player playing at a high level it is the exception not the rule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are all fast. Some may not be as fast as others but those smart players with stick skills being spoken about are still very fast or quick. If there is a slower or medium speed player playing at a high level it is the exception not the rule.

Yikes.....soooo. some are fast and some not as fast. Now that's science for ya. Are you a scout with Ty. Please send that observation out to all the college coaches....nitwit

Watch the 2016 football highlight video of one of the non-LI 2021 middies put on the watch list by Ty yesterday from the recent NLF event, if you want to see speed.

thought that fogo on that watch list for 2021 was 2020 ?? Is that a clericle ? Please tell me that's a mistake ?

Saw the football video. Considering he's a June 2002 kid (aka holdback) he should be faster!

Really what about Myles Jones. Big and fast with average stick skills

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really what about Myles Jones. Big and fast with average stick skills

Far from average, nice try though

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw the football video. Considering he's a June 2002 kid (aka holdback) he should be faster!

Very true. Not impressed with a should be 2020.

The point was there are no slow players at the higher level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are all fast. Some may not be as fast as others but those smart players with stick skills being spoken about are still very fast or quick. If there is a slower or medium speed player playing at a high level it is the exception not the rule.

Yikes.....soooo. some are fast and some not as fast. Now that's science for ya. Are you a scout with Ty. Please send that observation out to all the college coaches....nitwit

The only reason someone would resort to calling names in response to a post like this would be if your kid is slow to medium speed. You can't teach speed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are all fast. Some may not be as fast as others but those smart players with stick skills being spoken about are still very fast or quick. If there is a slower or medium speed player playing at a high level it is the exception not the rule.

Yikes.....soooo. some are fast and some not as fast. Now that's science for ya. Are you a scout with Ty. Please send that observation out to all the college coaches....nitwit

My older slow middie smokes fast kids for a living.

I'm sure he does. Of course it could be done. However anyone who thinks slow or medium speed kids have a better chance of making it compared to fast kids are not being realistic. There are many medium speed but otherwise great players that don't make it compared fast lesser skilled kids that do make it. It is not even up for debate. It is what it is. Buddy of mine has an older kid with a 98 average who is tall and medium built and amazing skills and scores a lot in AA games but only a little faster than medium speed is getting no offers. They a not looking for medium to good speed. They want more of than that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My older slow middie smokes fast kids for a living.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm sure he does. Of course it could be done. However anyone who thinks slow or medium speed kids have a better chance of making it compared to fast kids are not being realistic. There are many medium speed but otherwise great players that don't make it compared fast lesser skilled kids that do make it. It is not even up for debate. It is what it is. Buddy of mine has an older kid with a 98 average who is tall and medium built and amazing skills and scores a lot in AA games but only a little faster than medium speed is getting no offers. They a not looking for medium to good speed. They want more of than that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My older slow middie smokes fast kids for a living.

huh????? you got me there.

Speed freaks! My kid's faster than your kid. Nothing like living vicariously.

Older kids who have good but not great speed who score a lot in club AA games with a high GPA are not getting college offers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm sure he does. Of course it could be done. However anyone who thinks slow or medium speed kids have a better chance of making it compared to fast kids are not being realistic. There are many medium speed but otherwise great players that don't make it compared fast lesser skilled kids that do make it. It is not even up for debate. It is what it is. Buddy of mine has an older kid with a 98 average who is tall and medium built and amazing skills and scores a lot in AA games but only a little faster than medium speed is getting no offers. They a not looking for medium to good speed. They want more of than that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My older slow middie smokes fast kids for a living.

huh????? you got me there.

[quote=Anonymous]
Older kids who have good but not great speed who score a lot in club AA games with a high GPA are not getting college offers.
[quote=Anonymous]

This is a 2021 forum - how many 2021s are getting offers?? What a tool!

I also have a 2021, I am just try to tell u idiots, speed is not a major factor.

You are a fool my friend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]
Older kids who have good but not great speed who score a lot in club AA games with a high GPA are not getting college offers.
[quote=Anonymous]

This is a 2021 forum - how many 2021s are getting offers?? What a tool!

Do shout outs from Ty count??

Slow Middies with a good stick are a dime a dozen. Speed with a good stick gets D1. and all that speed training you are doing wont help. you cant train fast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Slow Middies with a good stick are a dime a dozen. Speed with a good stick gets D1. and all that speed training you are doing wont help. you cant train fast.

This is from the father who forced his 2020 kid to play down as a 2021 all these years. Right, your kid is the next Usain Bolt. Just FYI, there are elite athletes all over the country. Long Island, not so much.

The kids with slow to medium speed will work on stick skills and say that is important. The fast kids will also work on stick skills and say both speed and stick skills are important. Fast kids can work on stick skills too. Just because a kid is fast does not mean he does not have stick skills. It is better to have both. Hard work is the most important thing. A kid is not getting anywhere without working hard. Take what ever shills you have and go with it. Obviously the more complete the player the better chance to succeed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are a fool my friend.

Who is worthier.....a fool or an idiot? I say it's a tie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really what about Myles Jones. Big and fast with average stick skills

Far from average, nice try though

Jone's would not be the same at a smaller size, it is his size that makes him, not anything else. Case in point!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really what about Myles Jones. Big and fast with average stick skills

Far from average, nice try though

Jone's would not be the same at a smaller size, it is his size that makes him, not anything else. Case in point!

I love the line "It's his size that counts and nothing else". I hear it from my neighbor's wife all the time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really what about Myles Jones. Big and fast with average stick skills

Far from average, nice try though

Jone's would not be the same at a smaller size, it is his size that makes him, not anything else. Case in point!

I love the line "It's his size that counts and nothing else". I hear it from my neighbor's wife all the time.

yep, just like that ugly guy with a big johnson, with nice job who's a jerk

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really what about Myles Jones. Big and fast with average stick skills

Far from average, nice try though

Jone's would not be the same at a smaller size, it is his size that makes him, not anything else. Case in point!

That is an opinion friend, not a fact. It's your opinion too. Here is mine, Myles Jones is a special player, he would still be great, maybe not as dominant if her were smaller.

The day of the slow small lacrosse player is ending very quickly

i'm pretty sure the guy's name is myles jones - not miles johnson.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really what about Myles Jones. Big and fast with average stick skills

Far from average, nice try though

Jone's would not be the same at a smaller size, it is his size that makes him, not anything else. Case in point!

That is an opinion friend, not a fact. It's your opinion too. Here is mine, Myles Jones is a special player, he would still be great, maybe not as dominant if her were smaller.

Sorry, he would not be great at lets say, 5'10. Opinion, sure if that what you want to call it but pretty truthful too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really what about Myles Jones. Big and fast with average stick skills

Far from average, nice try though

Jone's would not be the same at a smaller size, it is his size that makes him, not anything else. Case in point!

That is an opinion friend, not a fact. It's your opinion too. Here is mine, Myles Jones is a special player, he would still be great, maybe not as dominant if her were smaller.

Sorry, he would not be great at lets say, 5'10. Opinion, sure if that what you want to call it but pretty truthful too

Miles has horrible stick skills. Been watching him for a while, and those skills are real weak and hard to watch! Which is why he didn't win the Teewarton. He's got everything else, just not the most important thing.

It is his size, speed and Athletic Ability. How many big players do you see in D1 that excel? I can only think of two, Jones and Dylan Molloy. Most of the bigger, fast players go to football to get a full ride. With Molly dominating, you may see some other schools looking for a player that fits that mold. Molloy isn't the fastest, but he is strong as an ox and has great stick skills.

I'm calling it what it is, you're opinion. Also, it's completely hypothetical. What are you basing "truthful" on? You need to present some type of argument to prove your point. Dude was all everything in 3 sports in HS. He's a fantastic athlete. He would be great at 5'10, just a different type of player. Again, my opinion, pretty truthful too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The day of the slow small lacrosse player is ending very quickly

Ok, if you say so Mr expert. You have no idea what you are talking about.

I disagree, but if lacrosse ever gets to the inner city look out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is his size, speed and Athletic Ability. How many big players do you see in D1 that excel? I can only think of two, Jones and Dylan Molloy. Most of the bigger, fast players go to football to get a full ride. With Molly dominating, you may see some other schools looking for a player that fits that mold. Molloy isn't the fastest, but he is strong as an ox and has great stick skills.

Perkovic, Lane, Zenker, Caputo, Thule, all BIG middies. If you want, I can name many big attacks as well. I can also name small, fast attack and Middies. As well as big poles and small LSM's. Even large Goalies and small goalies too. See a trend here? Lacrosse is one of those unique sports where many different kinds of athletes with various statures and body types can have success at the sport. Some play with speed. Others are all box that will kill you with leverage. Still others will take your aggressive defense and play off of it. The one common denominator usually is very good stick skills. With that said, In my opinion there is a trend. Older, bigger, stronger, faster. If your son has dreams of playing D1,I urge you to go to a fall ball D1 tournament where you can get up close and see the guys play. Kind of like you do at travel tourns. You will see what your son will be up against. These guys are all thick, muscular, athletic looking young men. Much bigger overall than you would think. It is no joke, they play hard. You really can't appreciate it on TV or in the stadium stands. Guys could easily pass for football players. My older committed son now knows exactly why he's in that gym all week!
Again, these are my opinions based on my observations.

It is hard to believe that there are people out there that think speed is not important. Even the slower college lacrosse players were most likely top 5 fastest in thier high school graduating class.

Have you ever tried to catch a mouse? Thats what its like out maneuvering a small quick attackman, unless you corner him!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you ever tried to catch a mouse? Thats what its like out maneuvering a small quick attackman, unless you corner him!

So based on that theory I could put a small quick defenseman on him, that should even it out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you ever tried to catch a mouse? Thats what its like out maneuvering a small quick attackman, unless you corner him!

So based on that theory I could put a small quick defenseman on him, that should even it out?

If he's tough and scrapppy, absolutely! Lacrosse is about moving quickly and smart, having impeccable stick skills and playing with grit, not about height.

That's exactly what they do genius.

Having been through the recruiting process twice D1 and D3 here is my take on the attributes coaches are looking for:

1) Grades. If you have a 2.5 GPA your options at the top tier D1 schools are severely limited.
2) Stick skills and Lacrosse IQ - the latter is tough to teach
3) Size/Speed - better have one or the other
4) Attitude - if your kid is a hard worker on the field - ground balls, doesn't give up, doesn't whine - it makes a real difference. No one wants a cancer in their locker room

Identify the schools you kid is interested in and engage their coaching staff - that is how you get recruited - at least that was my experience

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really what about Myles Jones. Big and fast with average stick skills

Far from average, nice try though

Jone's would not be the same at a smaller size, it is his size that makes him, not anything else. Case in point!

That is an opinion friend, not a fact. It's your opinion too. Here is mine, Myles Jones is a special player, he would still be great, maybe not as dominant if her were smaller.

Guy is a bit over hyped. Watch some video on him, and not his highlights. Conventional wisdom would be not to press out on him. However, teams that did, shut him down rather easily. He's a guy you cannot allow to get a head of steam going the ally or he'll wreck you. Also can't leave him alone for a step down shot at 10-12 yds. However, there are many other players that see a press out defense as a gift. Jones is not one of them. Good player, has some limitations in his game. No Rabil. Who by the way is not much smaller than Jones. Rabil 6'3" 220 Jones 6'4" 230-240.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really what about Myles Jones. Big and fast with average stick skills

Far from average, nice try though

Jone's would not be the same at a smaller size, it is his size that makes him, not anything else. Case in point!

That is an opinion friend, not a fact. It's your opinion too. Here is mine, Myles Jones is a special player, he would still be great, maybe not as dominant if her were smaller.

Guy is a bit over hyped. Watch some video on him, and not his highlights. Conventional wisdom would be not to press out on him. However, teams that did, shut him down rather easily. He's a guy you cannot allow to get a head of steam going the ally or he'll wreck you. Also can't leave him alone for a step down shot at 10-12 yds. However, there are many other players that see a press out defense as a gift. Jones is not one of them. Good player, has some limitations in his game. No Rabil. Who by the way is not much smaller than Jones. Rabil 6'3" 220 Jones 6'4" 230-240.

He's got no Lax IQ. With his size and speed should be way more dominant! Not enough production.

In what grade or age did your boys start to get "noticed" or when did you know they were being "looked" at?
Thank you

Jones had below average stick skills when he left high school. He developed his left hand only in his junior year at Duke. If it werent for his size you wouldn't know his name.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In what grade or age did your boys start to get "noticed" or when did you know they were being "looked" at?
Thank you

8th grade

BS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS

There are about 100 current freshman committed, including my son. The coaches started watching at recruiting events last winter(8th grade) fact! Sorry that you don't know about 'this

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jones had below average stick skills when he left high school. He developed his left hand only in his junior year at Duke. If it werent for his size you wouldn't know his name.

What youth lacrosse club did he play for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you ever tried to catch a mouse? Thats what its like out maneuvering a small quick attackman, unless you corner him!

So based on that theory I could put a small quick defenseman on him, that should even it out?

If he's tough and scrapppy, absolutely! Lacrosse is about moving quickly and smart, having impeccable stick skills and playing with grit, not about height.

What does tough and scrappy have to do with playing defense?

Outlaws!

This is probably the best post I have seen on BOTC to this day .....TRUTH

Which one?

i am not supportive of early recruiting, but that's just the way it's been, and for all the discussions against early recruiting (parents to parents, coaches to coaches, coaches to parents), the recruiting is happening even earlier! it is true. college coaches are already expressing their interest in certain 8th grade boys for their college programs. i'm not sure about this, but my guess is that pretty much everyone can agree who the 2-4 standouts on each top team are (the teammates, parents, their coaches). and my guess is that it's those couple kids from each of these teams that are generating interest at this early age by college programs. having said that, i also think that most of the recruiting will happen for boys when they are way into their high school years - as it kinda should be?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws!

If Myles Jones played for Outlaws, then why doesn't the club promote it? Was there something wrong with his playing time, etc.?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i am not supportive of early recruiting, but that's just the way it's been, and for all the discussions against early recruiting (parents to parents, coaches to coaches, coaches to parents), the recruiting is happening even earlier! it is true. college coaches are already expressing their interest in certain 8th grade boys for their college programs. i'm not sure about this, but my guess is that pretty much everyone can agree who the 2-4 standouts on each top team are (the teammates, parents, their coaches). and my guess is that it's those couple kids from each of these teams that are generating interest at this early age by college programs. having said that, i also think that most of the recruiting will happen for boys when they are way into their high school years - as it kinda should be?

If the proposed NCAA rule goes in, it will make it so all kids are formally recruited when in HS (as it should be for all sports).

coached for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you ever tried to catch a mouse? Thats what its like out maneuvering a small quick attackman, unless you corner him!

I played D1 25 years ago (yeah, I'm old). I HATED covering small quick players at mid or attack. Also, gentlemen there is a difference between fast and quick. Obviously, athletic gifts are always helpful. I was an athlete with a less than stellar stick. In today's game, I would have played LSM. Times change.

I played with a shaft made of lumber when I was a kid. Couldn't even run with it because it was too heavy. If I played today, I'd play water boy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you ever tried to catch a mouse? Thats what its like out maneuvering a small quick attackman, unless you corner him!

I played D1 25 years ago (yeah, I'm old). I HATED covering small quick players at mid or attack. Also, gentlemen there is a difference between fast and quick. Obviously, athletic gifts are always helpful. I was an athlete with a less than stellar stick. In today's game, I would have played LSM. Times change.

LSM nowadays have better stick skills than the attack I played against when I was in college, 27 years ago. My 8th grade team would probably beat my HS team with the current rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you ever tried to catch a mouse? Thats what its like out maneuvering a small quick attackman, unless you corner him!

I played D1 25 years ago (yeah, I'm old). I HATED covering small quick players at mid or attack. Also, gentlemen there is a difference between fast and quick. Obviously, athletic gifts are always helpful. I was an athlete with a less than stellar stick. In today's game, I would have played LSM. Times change.

LSM nowadays have better stick skills than the attack I played against when I was in college, 27 years ago. My 8th grade team would probably beat my HS team with the current rules.

Eh, you'd be surprised. I played in college back around the turn of this century (guess I'm a bit younger than you guys, ha!), and I still play in a few club leagues in New [lacrosse] (teammates are mostly recent D1 grads along with a number of current players).

Aside from more expensive equipment and much deeper college rosters, the game really hasn't changed too much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you ever tried to catch a mouse? Thats what its like out maneuvering a small quick attackman, unless you corner him!

I played D1 25 years ago (yeah, I'm old). I HATED covering small quick players at mid or attack. Also, gentlemen there is a difference between fast and quick. Obviously, athletic gifts are always helpful. I was an athlete with a less than stellar stick. In today's game, I would have played LSM. Times change.

LSM nowadays have better stick skills than the attack I played against when I was in college, 27 years ago. My 8th grade team would probably beat my HS team with the current rules.

Eh, you'd be surprised. I played in college back around the turn of this century (guess I'm a bit younger than you guys, ha!), and I still play in a few club leagues in New [lacrosse] (teammates are mostly recent D1 grads along with a number of current players).

Aside from more expensive equipment and much deeper college rosters, the game really hasn't changed too much.

When I played my job was crease defense. Anyone who came near the cage with the ball got leveled. No one step rule for body checks. As long as the player was looking at you, you could hit them. That was a different game than is played today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you ever tried to catch a mouse? Thats what its like out maneuvering a small quick attackman, unless you corner him!

I played D1 25 years ago (yeah, I'm old). I HATED covering small quick players at mid or attack. Also, gentlemen there is a difference between fast and quick. Obviously, athletic gifts are always helpful. I was an athlete with a less than stellar stick. In today's game, I would have played LSM. Times change.

LSM nowadays have better stick skills than the attack I played against when I was in college, 27 years ago. My 8th grade team would probably beat my HS team with the current rules.

Eh, you'd be surprised. I played in college back around the turn of this century (guess I'm a bit younger than you guys, ha!), and I still play in a few club leagues in New [lacrosse] (teammates are mostly recent D1 grads along with a number of current players).

Aside from more expensive equipment and much deeper college rosters, the game really hasn't changed too much.

When I played my job was crease defense. Anyone who came near the cage with the ball got leveled. No one step rule for body checks. As long as the player was looking at you, you could hit them. That was a different game than is played today.

I hear you. Our coach taught us a cheat slide for dodging wing attackmen and also from X. We'd skip the crease slide and come from strong side middie. It was simply meant to surprise and we loved it. Basically it was a free shot on a guy, really got him thinking about the hit rather than scoring for rest of the game. If a guy was doing damage, we'd use it. Different game then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you ever tried to catch a mouse? Thats what its like out maneuvering a small quick attackman, unless you corner him!

I played D1 25 years ago (yeah, I'm old). I HATED covering small quick players at mid or attack. Also, gentlemen there is a difference between fast and quick. Obviously, athletic gifts are always helpful. I was an athlete with a less than stellar stick. In today's game, I would have played LSM. Times change.

LSM nowadays have better stick skills than the attack I played against when I was in college, 27 years ago. My 8th grade team would probably beat my HS team with the current rules.

Eh, you'd be surprised. I played in college back around the turn of this century (guess I'm a bit younger than you guys, ha!), and I still play in a few club leagues in New [lacrosse] (teammates are mostly recent D1 grads along with a number of current players).

Aside from more expensive equipment and much deeper college rosters, the game really hasn't changed too much.

When I played my job was crease defense. Anyone who came near the cage with the ball got leveled. No one step rule for body checks. As long as the player was looking at you, you could hit them. That was a different game than is played today.

I hear you. Our coach taught us a cheat slide for dodging wing attackmen and also from X. We'd skip the crease slide and come from strong side middie. It was simply meant to surprise and we loved it. Basically it was a free shot on a guy, really got him thinking about the hit rather than scoring for rest of the game. If a guy was doing damage, we'd use it. Different game then.

If you did that know, 2 minute unreleasable. It is a much different game. My kid's travel team would be able to keep up with my varsity team based on Stick skills. The only thing we would have is size and speed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you ever tried to catch a mouse? Thats what its like out maneuvering a small quick attackman, unless you corner him!

I played D1 25 years ago (yeah, I'm old). I HATED covering small quick players at mid or attack. Also, gentlemen there is a difference between fast and quick. Obviously, athletic gifts are always helpful. I was an athlete with a less than stellar stick. In today's game, I would have played LSM. Times change.

LSM nowadays have better stick skills than the attack I played against when I was in college, 27 years ago. My 8th grade team would probably beat my HS team with the current rules.

Eh, you'd be surprised. I played in college back around the turn of this century (guess I'm a bit younger than you guys, ha!), and I still play in a few club leagues in New [lacrosse] (teammates are mostly recent D1 grads along with a number of current players).

Aside from more expensive equipment and much deeper college rosters, the game really hasn't changed too much.

When I played my job was crease defense. Anyone who came near the cage with the ball got leveled. No one step rule for body checks. As long as the player was looking at you, you could hit them. That was a different game than is played today.

Thank goodness it is a different game today than played back then. College coaches and NCAA is doing everything they can to take the violence out of lacrosse.

Quack

Anyone know of club team looking for 2 D players? Preferably Nassau based?

Team 34 out of Garden City may be looking. I know nothing about them. But heard they are looking. Do your home work on any team you consider. Good luck.

Team 24 out of Garden City may beclooking not 34. Last post was a typo. I know nothing about them. Do your homework for any team you consider. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know of club team looking for 2 D players? Preferably Nassau based?

Since most the Catholics school have their invites out, which towns will be impacted the most. Which Catholics benefit the most?

(looking for Quality not Quantity)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 24 out of Garden City may beclooking not 34. Last post was a typo. I know nothing about them. Do your homework for any team you consider. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know of club team looking for 2 D players? Preferably Nassau based?

I think the Recon B team is looking for Players and the 91 "Academy" (C) team are also looking. 91 is out of Farmingdale though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since most the Catholics school have their invites out, which towns will be impacted the most. Which Catholics benefit the most?

(looking for Quality not Quantity)

Smithtown/91 faceoff mid is going to Chaminade, that puts a big crimp on their future. Half the Garden City team took the test, so most of their better players may be going.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since most the Catholics school have their invites out, which towns will be impacted the most. Which Catholics benefit the most?

(looking for Quality not Quantity)

Smithtown/91 faceoff mid is going to Chaminade, that puts a big crimp on their future. Half the Garden City team took the test, so most of their better players may be going.

One player does not make a program successful or not. Fogos in grades above and below can get the job done. Now, half the GC team is another issue.

Get your facts straight, he is NOT going to Chaminade!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since most the Catholics school have their invites out, which towns will be impacted the most. Which Catholics benefit the most?

(looking for Quality not Quantity)

Why does Bayshore lose so many, heard a ton were leaving? Always thought they would've had good '17, '19, '21 grades. What happened. Those were supposed to be big years. (Not to mention the big '18 goalie and '20 attack). Talk about what could have been.

No one cares,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since most the Catholics school have their invites out, which towns will be impacted the most. Which Catholics benefit the most?

(looking for Quality not Quantity)

Why does Bayshore lose so many, heard a ton were leaving? Always thought they would've had good '17, '19, '21 grades. What happened. Those were supposed to be big years. (Not to mention the big '18 goalie and '20 attack). Talk about what could have been.

Hate to be the one to say it, but look at the demographics of Bay Shore from now compared to 2000 or earlier. You'll have your answer as to why kids leave the school district.

No one cares,
________________________

Best message board comeback of all time. "No one cares," said the guy who cared enough to post that no one cares. I guess you do care, then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since most the Catholics school have their invites out, which towns will be impacted the most. Which Catholics benefit the most?

(looking for Quality not Quantity)

Smithtown/91 faceoff mid is going to Chaminade, that puts a big crimp on their future. Half the Garden City team took the test, so most of their better players may be going.

One player does not make a program successful or not. Fogos in grades above and below can get the job done. Now, half the GC team is another issue.

umm.....they have two other committed fogos ahead of him, don't think he will be missed.

Prob close to 1/2 GC lax boys take chaminade test every year ...not a big deal, a fraction will go... just wait till Sept before spreading rumors.

GC loses several quality players each year....more than any other town. If all those kids stayed in GC you would see a noticeable difference.

No such thing as the Chaminade test. There is a test for the Catholic High Schools, but no guarantee of entry into Chaminade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since most the Catholics school have their invites out, which towns will be impacted the most. Which Catholics benefit the most?

(looking for Quality not Quantity)

Smithtown/91 faceoff mid is going to Chaminade, that puts a big crimp on their future. Half the Garden City team took the test, so most of their better players may be going.

One player does not make a program successful or not. Fogos in grades above and below can get the job done. Now, half the GC team is another issue.

umm.....they have two other committed fogos ahead of him, don't think he will be missed.

umm.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since most the Catholics school have their invites out, which towns will be impacted the most. Which Catholics benefit the most?

(looking for Quality not Quantity)

Smithtown/91 faceoff mid is going to Chaminade, that puts a big crimp on their future. Half the Garden City team took the test, so most of their better players may be going.

One player does not make a program successful or not. Fogos in grades above and below can get the job done. Now, half the GC team is another issue.

umm.....they have two other committed fogos ahead of him, don't think he will be missed.

Dear umm.... you should know that this 13 year old is a lot more than a fogo. No one knows what the future holds, lets see what this kid looks like when he is 15 or 16. He is a good player and a great friend and teammate to those he plays with and will positively affect any high school he goes to whether he plays football, lacrosse or nothing at all.

You're right he's going to St. Anthony's, lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since most the Catholics school have their invites out, which towns will be impacted the most. Which Catholics benefit the most?

(looking for Quality not Quantity)

Smithtown/91 faceoff mid is going to Chaminade, that puts a big crimp on their future. Half the Garden City team took the test, so most of their better players may be going.

One player does not make a program successful or not. Fogos in grades above and below can get the job done. Now, half the GC team is another issue.

umm.....they have two other committed fogos ahead of him, don't think he will be missed.

Dear umm.... you should know that this 13 year old is a lot more than a fogo. No one knows what the future holds, lets see what this kid looks like when he is 15 or 16. He is a good player and a great friend and teammate to those he plays with and will positively affect any high school he goes to whether he plays football, lacrosse or nothing at all.

I'm sure he is, but to make a comment that one kid leaving for a private school will put a "big crimp" in the future of a successful HS program is a little much, especially when the team has such depth. Good luck to the boy, I'm sure he'll do well wearever he goes/ plays and Stown will be fine with or without

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since most the Catholics school have their invites out, which towns will be impacted the most. Which Catholics benefit the most?

(looking for Quality not Quantity)

Smithtown/91 faceoff mid is going to Chaminade, that puts a big crimp on their future. Half the Garden City team took the test, so most of their better players may be going.

One player does not make a program successful or not. Fogos in grades above and below can get the job done. Now, half the GC team is another issue.

umm.....they have two other committed fogos ahead of him, don't think he will be missed.

Dear umm.... you should know that this 13 year old is a lot more than a fogo. No one knows what the future holds, lets see what this kid looks like when he is 15 or 16. He is a good player and a great friend and teammate to those he plays with and will positively affect any high school he goes to whether he plays football, lacrosse or nothing at all.

I'm sure he is, but to make a comment that one kid leaving for a private school will put a "big crimp" in the future of a successful HS program is a little much, especially when the team has such depth. Good luck to the boy, I'm sure he'll do well wearever he goes/ plays and Stown will be fine with or without

Fair enough. Thank you, I understand what you are saying. East is a tremendous program with a great coach and awesome young men. Some random person who does not know the kid or his family started this conjecture. Hopefully this topic is ended. I thought persons posting were supposed to stay clear of starting threads in which kids can be easily identifiable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're right he's going to St. Anthony's, lol

Your kid taking his spot?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're right he's going to St. Anthony's, lol

Implying what?

Hey MOM Your embarrassing yourself and your boy

not the mom, like people said, who cares? stop talking about it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey MOM Your embarrassing yourself and your boy

Nice. Shaming the "Mom" after demeaning the kid. You are piece of work.

It's all the mom's fault!

When does Lifetime/Bravo/MTV start filming "The Mommies of LaxBros?"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When does Lifetime/Bravo/MTV start filming "The Mommies of LaxBros?"

LOL Love it!!!! Maybe they can do an investigative show on whats in the solo cup also...

[lacrosse] bag is going to blame it on a mom...

Crazy how parents think a 8th grade kid is special, big public schools adjust to kids leaving for Catholic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[lacrosse] bag is going to blame it on a mom...

Moms come on here trying to create buzz about their kid, doesn't take a genius to figure that out!

when is BOTC going to shut down this thread that is clearly about one kid? isn't that in their rules???

Or they come on here to see what the [lacrosse] bag dads, who are trying to live vicariously through their kid, have to say. They don't call it "mommy ball" now do they?

Team Carolina defeats 91 Blaze today after being down four goals.

If true, that is awesome.

I though the 92-1 double holdback was supposed to be the first 2021 commit?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I though the 92-1 double holdback was supposed to be the first 2021 commit?

Since when is being the first as important as to where/which school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Carolina defeats 91 Blaze today after being down four goals.

How many 15 year olds on Team Carolina?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Carolina defeats 91 Blaze today after being down four goals.

How many 15 year olds on Team Carolina?

We know Blaze has 15 year olds so, I guess it wouldn't matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Carolina defeats 91 Blaze today after being down four goals.

How many 15 year olds on Team Carolina?

We know Blaze has 15 year olds so, I guess it wouldn't matter.

15 year olds? How many?

Blaze I hope u have a good window watcher for the glass house u live in. Has by good friend would say , who I miss badly, SUCK I T.r2nepr

TC has 0 15 year olds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Carolina defeats 91 Blaze today after being down four goals.

How many 15 year olds on Team Carolina?

We know Blaze has 15 year olds so, I guess it wouldn't matter.

15 year olds? How many?

Crush double holdback in for 1

Funny thing is 50% of Blaze parents thinks their kid should be on Varsity, the other 50% think JV at worse. I would think they would play some 15 year olds on those teams?

We talked to some of the team Carolina parents at the Duke game. Sounds like they have ZERO 15 year olds on their team. They are age AND grade appropriate. No holdbacks. Can Team91 say the same??? Don't think so. How many holdbacks does Team91 actually have??? Sounds like 3 to 4. Congratulations, you guys beat us earlier that morning, but, we have legit 7/8 graders. Not 9/10th graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny thing is 50% of Blaze parents thinks their kid should be on Varsity, the other 50% think JV at worse. I would think they would play some 15 year olds on those teams?

Sorry, not a single one of those kids is ready for varsity, JV maybe ,not even the "8th grade" 15 soon to be 16 year old who should be sophomore. Parents will also learn school ball/Varsity is not nearly as easily manipulated as travel which will drive some of these parents nuts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We talked to some of the team Carolina parents at the Duke game. Sounds like they have ZERO 15 year olds on their team. They are age AND grade appropriate. No holdbacks. Can Team91 say the same??? Don't think so. How many holdbacks does Team91 actually have??? Sounds like 3 to 4. Congratulations, you guys beat us earlier that morning, but, we have legit 7/8 graders. Not 9/10th graders.

Typical LI whiners! TC gave Crush a good game in the WSYL 2 years ago as well. And TC was playing up in that tournament as rising 7 graders. They are for real!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We talked to some of the team Carolina parents at the Duke game. Sounds like they have ZERO 15 year olds on their team. They are age AND grade appropriate. No holdbacks. Can Team91 say the same??? Don't think so. How many holdbacks does Team91 actually have??? Sounds like 3 to 4. Congratulations, you guys beat us earlier that morning, but, we have legit 7/8 graders. Not 9/10th graders.

This is the first time in history a North Carolina team is complaining about the age of a Long Island team. Yes, the 2021 9D1 team has one reclass but the majority of 9D1's players are still 13. Don't believe the lies and anti 9D1 propaganda. What is the cutoff for school in North Carolina? (Rhetorical) NY cutoff for 2021 is 12/01/02. Since you brought up age, some of the best players on TC will be 15 this summer and should be 2020. Most likely the same for your son's team. I don't care, that is the way it is. Stop the complaining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We talked to some of the team Carolina parents at the Duke game. Sounds like they have ZERO 15 year olds on their team. They are age AND grade appropriate. No holdbacks. Can Team91 say the same??? Don't think so. How many holdbacks does Team91 actually have??? Sounds like 3 to 4. Congratulations, you guys beat us earlier that morning, but, we have legit 7/8 graders. Not 9/10th graders.

Typical LI whiners! TC gave Crush a good game in the WSYL 2 years ago as well. And TC was playing up in that tournament as rising 7 graders. They are for real!

Your reading comprehension needs help. The post you are responding to was most likely written by a NC parent. That being said TC is a great team easily top 5 in the country. They have some tremendous players but brining up the Crush game from 2 years ago is irrelevant.

I know for a fact there are at least 4 kids on Blaze that are 14 last year

Woooohoooo I love it...ya"ll are crazy people!! both teams have crazy talent and it was a great game!! NC parents please dont get sucked into the crazy L.I. bashing

Cutoff in NY is DEC 1 cutoff in NC is AUG 1

TC lost to madlax the next day. I guess that makes madlax top five also?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We talked to some of the team Carolina parents at the Duke game. Sounds like they have ZERO 15 year olds on their team. They are age AND grade appropriate. No holdbacks. Can Team91 say the same??? Don't think so. How many holdbacks does Team91 actually have??? Sounds like 3 to 4. Congratulations, you guys beat us earlier that morning, but, we have legit 7/8 graders. Not 9/10th graders.

Typical LI whiners! TC gave Crush a good game in the WSYL 2 years ago as well. And TC was playing up in that tournament as rising 7 graders. They are for real!

Your reading comprehension needs help. The post you are responding to was most likely written by a NC parent. That being said TC is a great team easily top 5 in the country. They have some tremendous players but brining up the Crush game from 2 years ago is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We talked to some of the team Carolina parents at the Duke game. Sounds like they have ZERO 15 year olds on their team. They are age AND grade appropriate. No holdbacks. Can Team91 say the same??? Don't think so. How many holdbacks does Team91 actually have??? Sounds like 3 to 4. Congratulations, you guys beat us earlier that morning, but, we have legit 7/8 graders. Not 9/10th graders.

Typical LI whiners! TC gave Crush a good game in the WSYL 2 years ago as well. And TC was playing up in that tournament as rising 7 graders. They are for real!

Your reading comprehension needs help. The post you are responding to was most likely written by a NC parent. That being said TC is a great team easily top 5 in the country. They have some tremendous players but brining up the Crush game from 2 years ago is irrelevant.

Just looked up the score of TC and Crush at WSYLtwo years ago and I'm not sure 24-6 is a good game I Agree TC is good but let's not push it too far lol Blaze is above average not like the older team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We talked to some of the team Carolina parents at the Duke game. Sounds like they have ZERO 15 year olds on their team. They are age AND grade appropriate. No holdbacks. Can Team91 say the same??? Don't think so. How many holdbacks does Team91 actually have??? Sounds like 3 to 4. Congratulations, you guys beat us earlier that morning, but, we have legit 7/8 graders. Not 9/10th graders.

Typical LI whiners! TC gave Crush a good game in the WSYL 2 tyears ago as well. And TC was playing up in that tournament as rising 7 graders. They are for real!

Your reading comprehension needs help. The post you are responding to was most likely written by a NC parent. That being said TC is a great team easily top 5 in the country. They have some tremendous players but brining up the Crush game from 2 years ago is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We talked to some of the team Carolina parents at the Duke game. Sounds like they have ZERO 15 year olds on their team. They are age AND grade appropriate. No holdbacks. Can Team91 say the same??? Don't think so. How many holdbacks does Team91 actually have??? Sounds like 3 to 4. Congratulations, you guys beat us earlier that morning, but, we have legit 7/8 graders. Not 9/10th graders.

Typical LI whiners! TC gave Crush a good game in the WSYL 2 years ago as well. And TC was playing up in that tournament as rising 7 graders. They are for real!

Your reading comprehension needs help. The post you are responding to was most likely written by a NC parent. That being said TC is a great team easily top 5 in the country. They have some tremendous players but brining up the Crush game from 2 years ago is irrelevant.

Just looked up the score of TC and Crush at WSYLtwo years ago and I'm not sure 24-6 is a good game I Agree TC is good but let's not push it too far lol Blaze is above average not like the older team

If you saw the game, you would know that it was closer than the score. TC just didn't have the shooters then. Plus they were a year Younger. Love how LI dads cry when they're best fair and square.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We talked to some of the team Carolina parents at the Duke game. Sounds like they have ZERO 15 year olds on their team. They are age AND grade appropriate. No holdbacks. Can Team91 say the same??? Don't think so. How many holdbacks does Team91 actually have??? Sounds like 3 to 4. Congratulations, you guys beat us earlier that morning, but, we have legit 7/8 graders. Not 9/10th graders.

Typical LI whiners! TC gave Crush a good game in the WSYL 2 tyears ago as well. And TC was playing up in that tournament as rising 7 graders. They are for real!

Your reading comprehension needs help. The post you are responding to was most likely written by a NC parent. That being said TC is a great team easily top 5 in the country. They have some tremendous players but brining up the Crush game from 2 years ago is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We talked to some of the team Carolina parents at the Duke game. Sounds like they have ZERO 15 year olds on their team. They are age AND grade appropriate. No holdbacks. Can Team91 say the same??? Don't think so. How many holdbacks does Team91 actually have??? Sounds like 3 to 4. Congratulations, you guys beat us earlier that morning, but, we have legit 7/8 graders. Not 9/10th graders.

Typical LI whiners! TC gave Crush a good game in the WSYL 2 years ago as well. And TC was playing up in that tournament as rising 7 graders. They are for real!

Your reading comprehension needs help. The post you are responding to was most likely written by a NC parent. That being said TC is a great team easily top 5 in the country. They have some tremendous players but brining up the Crush game from 2 years ago is irrelevant.

Just looked up the score of TC and Crush at WSYLtwo years ago and I'm not sure 24-6 is a good game I Agree TC is good but let's not push it too far lol Blaze is above average not like the older team

If you saw the game, you would know that it was closer than the score. TC just didn't have the shooters then. Plus they were a year Younger. Love how LI dads cry when they're best fair and square.

No matter what type of spin you try and put on it , yes they were a year younger that is understood, however 24-6 is not a "good game" . From what I have observed Blaze is certainly not the 2020 Crush team .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TC lost to madlax the next day. I guess that makes madlax top five also?

What no social media posts about a "historic loss"? TC coaches you disappoint. What were the scores of the play day?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We talked to some of the team Carolina parents at the Duke game. Sounds like they have ZERO 15 year olds on their team. They are age AND grade appropriate. No holdbacks. Can Team91 say the same??? Don't think so. How many holdbacks does Team91 actually have??? Sounds like 3 to 4. Congratulations, you guys beat us earlier that morning, but, we have legit 7/8 graders. Not 9/10th graders.

Typical LI whiners! TC gave Crush a good game in the WSYL 2 years ago as well. And TC was playing up in that tournament as rising 7 graders. They are for real!

A good game? I just spit out my coffee laughing.........

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h201703070558481590fb68eb6f23f4d

Blaze loses and S2S loses. A tough day in NC for the Long Island teams.

These are all strong teams, with good and competitive players on both sides. It is fun to watch. However, in a head-to-head match-up, TC beat Team 91. Nuff said. TC has beaten just about everyone they played, including Dukes (multiple times), Team 91, Bethesda Lax Club (DC Express), Green Tyrtles, etc....62-4 since this team came together in Spring 2016. All true 2021. The best way to settle this is to watch TC in LI this summer and at Naptown..see you there...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These are all strong teams, with good and competitive players on both sides. It is fun to watch. However, in a head-to-head match-up, TC beat Team 91. Nuff said. TC has beaten just about everyone they played, including Dukes (multiple times), Team 91, Bethesda Lax Club (DC Express), Green Tyrtles, etc....62-4 since this team came together in Spring 2016. All true 2021. The best way to settle this is to watch TC in LI this summer and at Naptown..see you there...

Who are your 4 loses to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cutoff in NY is DEC 1 cutoff in NC is AUG 1

Cutoff in NY is December 31st. My son would be in 7th grade now if we didn't live in NY. At 5'10 and 190 lbs, he would be a difference maker as a middie. Being the youngest kid on his team, he still starts, but didn't make 9d1 Blaze.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cutoff in NY is DEC 1 cutoff in NC is AUG 1

Cutoff in NY is December 31st. My son would be in 7th grade now if we didn't live in NY. At 5'10 and 190 lbs, he would be a difference maker as a middie. Being the youngest kid on his team, he still starts, but didn't make 9d1 Blaze.

12/1 is the school cutoff, not 31st.
And also thanks for the combine like write up of your boy.

190 in 7th or 8th grade does jump off the page, but not for the right reasons. way too heavy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These are all strong teams, with good and competitive players on both sides. It is fun to watch. However, in a head-to-head match-up, TC beat Team 91. Nuff said. TC has beaten just about everyone they played, including Dukes (multiple times), Team 91, Bethesda Lax Club (DC Express), Green Tyrtles, etc....62-4 since this team came together in Spring 2016. All true 2021. The best way to settle this is to watch TC in LI this summer and at Naptown..see you there...

Come on TC parent. Everyone knows you have players that started school late and are old enough to be 2020's. You have a great team. No need to deceive people.

62-4 ???? really come on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cutoff in NY is DEC 1 cutoff in NC is AUG 1

Cutoff in NY is December 31st. My son would be in 7th grade now if we didn't live in NY. At 5'10 and 190 lbs, he would be a difference maker as a middie. Being the youngest kid on his team, he still starts, but didn't make 9d1 Blaze.

12/1 is the school cutoff, not 31st.
And also thanks for the combine like write up of your boy.

190 in 7th or 8th grade does jump off the page, but not for the right reasons. way too heavy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cutoff in NY is DEC 1 cutoff in NC is AUG 1

Cutoff in NY is December 31st. My son would be in 7th grade now if we didn't live in NY. At 5'10 and 190 lbs, he would be a difference maker as a middie. Being the youngest kid on his team, he still starts, but didn't make 9d1 Blaze.

The state sets the cutoff by calendar year (Dec 31st) but MOST SDs on Long Island are Dec 1. Unless you live in one of the few SDs that actaully use the state's Dec 31st date, you are incorrect.

Actually it is 64-4 since January 1, 2016. Three of the 4 losses were at the WSYL in Denver in July 2016. Great game with Team 91 Blaze (6-5 was the score I believe), Eclipse (lost by 1 goal) and Legacy (big margin of victory for Legacy - great team who blew everybody out). Fourth loss was to Madlax 2021 this weekend in overtime. All 4 were great teams, who were better than TC on that given day. That's sports, right? Bottom line is that all of our kids are fortunate to be able to compete at such a high level, and it is totally positive. We hope to continue to compete with the elite teams in LI, Maryland and the other historical hotbeds of Lax. Best of luck to all of the great programs out there!

Our friends moved to NC quite a few years ago and our sons are still friends and see each other at tourneys and over the summer.
When he left NY he was in the 2021 grad year, now he plays for TC 2022.

Just a fact. Maybe he's the only one but I doubt it.

we played this team, we had played them at dicks a couple of years ago and we were amazed at their improvement and growth. Since we beat them at Dicks and then lost by 8 last year, we presumed that it was nothing to do with their maturity but their better coaching. Come on they are all 2002s

We were at a tournament that TC 2021 was at in June 2016. My sons team was in TC's division but did not play them. We watched a couple of the games and talked to the parents. They admited they had 14 year olds on the team. In fact they thought 2021 was for birth year 2002. Most of the kids on any team would rather play an older TC team and have a close game. If it is against kids born in 2002 so be it. Would you rather play a 2003 born TC team and win by ten? Be happy that there are great lacrosse teams out there to play regardless of age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually it is 64-4 since January 1, 2016. Three of the 4 losses were at the WSYL in Denver in July 2016. Great game with Team 91 Blaze (6-5 was the score I believe), Eclipse (lost by 1 goal) and Legacy (big margin of victory for Legacy - great team who blew everybody out). Fourth loss was to Madlax 2021 this weekend in overtime. All 4 were great teams, who were better than TC on that given day. That's sports, right? Bottom line is that all of our kids are fortunate to be able to compete at such a high level, and it is totally positive. We hope to continue to compete with the elite teams in LI, Maryland and the other historical hotbeds of Lax. Best of luck to all of the great programs out there!

that wasnt a 2021 team at WSYL for the LI team many are in HS today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually it is 64-4 since January 1, 2016. Three of the 4 losses were at the WSYL in Denver in July 2016. Great game with Team 91 Blaze (6-5 was the score I believe), Eclipse (lost by 1 goal) and Legacy (big margin of victory for Legacy - great team who blew everybody out). Fourth loss was to Madlax 2021 this weekend in overtime. All 4 were great teams, who were better than TC on that given day. That's sports, right? Bottom line is that all of our kids are fortunate to be able to compete at such a high level, and it is totally positive. We hope to continue to compete with the elite teams in LI, Maryland and the other historical hotbeds of Lax. Best of luck to all of the great programs out there!

Based on the most recent exposing posts, I think you're just a couple of double holdbacks away from being the best team out there! Best of luck, and enjoy the tee-shirts. If you can get one or two kids who were originally 2019 to play down at 2021 this summer, you'll be good. Please contact the Crabs and ask them how they do it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually it is 64-4 since January 1, 2016. Three of the 4 losses were at the WSYL in Denver in July 2016. Great game with Team 91 Blaze (6-5 was the score I believe), Eclipse (lost by 1 goal) and Legacy (big margin of victory for Legacy - great team who blew everybody out). Fourth loss was to Madlax 2021 this weekend in overtime. All 4 were great teams, who were better than TC on that given day. That's sports, right? Bottom line is that all of our kids are fortunate to be able to compete at such a high level, and it is totally positive. We hope to continue to compete with the elite teams in LI, Maryland and the other historical hotbeds of Lax. Best of luck to all of the great programs out there!

Based on the most recent exposing posts, I think you're just a couple of double holdbacks away from being the best team out there! Best of luck, and enjoy the tee-shirts. If you can get one or two kids who were originally 2019 to play down at 2021 this summer, you'll be good. Please contact the Crabs and ask them how they do it.

My kid is usually the youngest kid on the field. Even I am tired of listening to this holdback issue. Every 2021 team has holdbacks or kids who repeated a grade, granted some teams have more than others. Your kid's team has them too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually it is 64-4 since January 1, 2016. Three of the 4 losses were at the WSYL in Denver in July 2016. Great game with Team 91 Blaze (6-5 was the score I believe), Eclipse (lost by 1 goal) and Legacy (big margin of victory for Legacy - great team who blew everybody out). Fourth loss was to Madlax 2021 this weekend in overtime. All 4 were great teams, who were better than TC on that given day. That's sports, right? Bottom line is that all of our kids are fortunate to be able to compete at such a high level, and it is totally positive. We hope to continue to compete with the elite teams in LI, Maryland and the other historical hotbeds of Lax. Best of luck to all of the great programs out there!

Based on the most recent exposing posts, I think you're just a couple of double holdbacks away from being the best team out there! Best of luck, and enjoy the tee-shirts. If you can get one or two kids who were originally 2019 to play down at 2021 this summer, you'll be good. Please contact the Crabs and ask them how they do it.

It's simpler than that - they have a tryout, and the best kids make the team.

Most not all teams have holdbacks. TC is one with more holdbacks than most. Here is the problem. TC has so many holdbacks that the parents think 2021 is for kids born in 2002 and the WSYl team is a proper age 2021 team. That team has more 15 year olds than most. So they beat blaze by one and want people to acknowledge they are a top team. Well you saw what Crush did to them and they did not win WSYL playing on age. None of this holdback talk about TC would have happens if the TC parent did not come on this thread saying they are one of the best. It is so funny that they think the WSYL team is a proper age 2021 team and boast a 64-4 record where three of this losses where playing in a tournament where they check the players age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually it is 64-4 since January 1, 2016. Three of the 4 losses were at the WSYL in Denver in July 2016. Great game with Team 91 Blaze (6-5 was the score I believe), Eclipse (lost by 1 goal) and Legacy (big margin of victory for Legacy - great team who blew everybody out). Fourth loss was to Madlax 2021 this weekend in overtime. All 4 were great teams, who were better than TC on that given day. That's sports, right? Bottom line is that all of our kids are fortunate to be able to compete at such a high level, and it is totally positive. We hope to continue to compete with the elite teams in LI, Maryland and the other historical hotbeds of Lax. Best of luck to all of the great programs out there!

Based on the most recent exposing posts, I think you're just a couple of double holdbacks away from being the best team out there! Best of luck, and enjoy the tee-shirts. If you can get one or two kids who were originally 2019 to play down at 2021 this summer, you'll be good. Please contact the Crabs and ask them how they do it.

My kid is usually the youngest kid on the field. Even I am tired of listening to this holdback issue. Every 2021 team has holdbacks or kids who repeated a grade, granted some teams have more than others. Your kid's team has them too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cutoff in NY is DEC 1 cutoff in NC is AUG 1

Cutoff in NY is December 31st. My son would be in 7th grade now if we didn't live in NY. At 5'10 and 190 lbs, he would be a difference maker as a middie. Being the youngest kid on his team, he still starts, but didn't make 9d1 Blaze.

12/1 is the school cutoff, not 31st.
And also thanks for the combine like write up of your boy.

190 in 7th or 8th grade does jump off the page, but not for the right reasons. way too heavy!

Says everyone who thinks he is 15 and he ran over their kid going to the cage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most not all teams have holdbacks. TC is one with more holdbacks than most. Here is the problem. TC has so many holdbacks that the parents think 2021 is for kids born in 2002 and the WSYl team is a proper age 2021 team. That team has more 15 year olds than most. So they beat blaze by one and want people to acknowledge they are a top team. Well you saw what Crush did to them and they did not win WSYL playing on age. None of this holdback talk about TC would have happens if the TC parent did not come on this thread saying they are one of the best. It is so funny that they think the WSYL team is a proper age 2021 team and boast a 64-4 record where three of this losses where playing in a tournament where they check the players age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually it is 64-4 since January 1, 2016. Three of the 4 losses were at the WSYL in Denver in July 2016. Great game with Team 91 Blaze (6-5 was the score I believe), Eclipse (lost by 1 goal) and Legacy (big margin of victory for Legacy - great team who blew everybody out). Fourth loss was to Madlax 2021 this weekend in overtime. All 4 were great teams, who were better than TC on that given day. That's sports, right? Bottom line is that all of our kids are fortunate to be able to compete at such a high level, and it is totally positive. We hope to continue to compete with the elite teams in LI, Maryland and the other historical hotbeds of Lax. Best of luck to all of the great programs out there!

Based on the most recent exposing posts, I think you're just a couple of double holdbacks away from being the best team out there! Best of luck, and enjoy the tee-shirts. If you can get one or two kids who were originally 2019 to play down at 2021 this summer, you'll be good. Please contact the Crabs and ask them how they do it.

My kid is usually the youngest kid on the field. Even I am tired of listening to this holdback issue. Every 2021 team has holdbacks or kids who repeated a grade, granted some teams have more than others. Your kid's team has them too.

Same here. I would rather my son play up and get better than play down. He has had no problem keeping up with most of the hold backs. It pushes him to work harder.

7/8th grader, 5'11', 190lbs. You must be so proud.

Quit the whining, lacrosse used to become America's Game, now it's the Crying Game. Hold back this, hold back that. My God, every sport in the US has "hold backs", football has 22 year old Sophomores, no one crying in football or basketball, two sports where physical size matters. You guys are real pu$$ies. If the dads [lacrosse] and moan like this I can only imagine what the kids are like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quit the whining, lacrosse used to become America's Game, now it's the Crying Game. Hold back this, hold back that. My God, every sport in the US has "hold backs", football has 22 year old Sophomores, no one crying in football or basketball, two sports where physical size matters. You guys are real pu$$ies. If the dads [lacrosse] and moan like this I can only imagine what the kids are like.

So well said, sick of this forum because of all the hold back whiners, its really pathetic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quit the whining, lacrosse used to become America's Game, now it's the Crying Game. Hold back this, hold back that. My God, every sport in the US has "hold backs", football has 22 year old Sophomores, no one crying in football or basketball, two sports where physical size matters. You guys are real pu$$ies. If the dads [lacrosse] and moan like this I can only imagine what the kids are like.

Easy there Francis.We are talking Youth Lacrosse.. Every Youth sport doesnt have holdbacks.. Most go by age?? But somehow Lacrosse has grade base without any age restrictions?? Yea that is the intent of youth sports! Hialrious

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quit the whining, lacrosse used to become America's Game, now it's the Crying Game. Hold back this, hold back that. My God, every sport in the US has "hold backs", football has 22 year old Sophomores, no one crying in football or basketball, two sports where physical size matters. You guys are real pu$$ies. If the dads [lacrosse] and moan like this I can only imagine what the kids are like.

So well said, sick of this forum because of all the hold back whiners, its really pathetic

Dumb [lacrosse], youth football goes by birth year so there are no hold backs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quit the whining, lacrosse used to become America's Game, now it's the Crying Game. Hold back this, hold back that. My God, every sport in the US has "hold backs", football has 22 year old Sophomores, no one crying in football or basketball, two sports where physical size matters. You guys are real pu$$ies. If the dads [lacrosse] and moan like this I can only imagine what the kids are like.

Easy there Francis.We are talking Youth Lacrosse.. Every Youth sport doesnt have holdbacks.. Most go by age?? But somehow Lacrosse has grade base without any age restrictions?? Yea that is the intent of youth sports! Hialrious

Agreed - once you get to 9th grade, the hold back discussion falls away, and even mentioning it with regards to college is ridiculous! BUT, for 8th grade and down, lacrosse is legitimately ridiculed for both the hold back practices that many teams engage in as well as the overall gaming of the system that goes on as a result, and it all stems from the grade-based model. In the larger scheme of things, organized youth lacrosse in much less mature than many other sports, and those more mature sports have all gone through this and moved to an age-based system in order to counteract the negative consequences of non-age based systems. Rather than supporting the 'immature' practice, we should learn from the more mature sports and realize that age-based teams are the way the sport should go. There is absolutely nothing unique about the sport of lacrosse that suggests it should not mature in its approach and move in the same direction as other sports already have. Further, there is nothing adverse in doing so, other than the fact that so many programs and teams are operating under a flawed system today - such thinking is ignorant and, in the end, will prevent lacrosse from growing to what it could be.

As does hockey and soccer. Both Strictly birth year. There is no gaming the system. Hopefully lax gets its act together and institutes a purely age based 12/31 cutoff to level the playing field no matter what state one hails from. I'm against the whining as well, but to defend the advantage that kids a year or two older than the majority of the peers and classmates have is ludicrous. It is a tangible advantage until about when the kids are freshman in college--then it levels out. And, not only an advantage, but flat out potentially dangerous from grades 5-9. And, youth football IS strictly age based. The age grade disparity occurs as they enter high school with the hold back year or through PG/red shirt years. All this being said, if the system allows the hold backs, which it does, then it is not cheating. Fools Gold perhaps in the long run, but not cheating. So keep pounding your chest Dad as your big year older boy runs over around and through everyone, the playing field will level eventually and your kings ego will take a big hit as he becomes one of the pawns...

Please pull your son out of lacrosse, if the holdback thing bothers you so much, play baseball. My son has played on age and I have never cared about a holdback. He did fine, sometimes the other kid was better and sometimes he was better, but you guys just can't get a grip on your son not being the best. So you start this holdback nonsense up. Here's the fact, your son is not as good as you think.

Wrong. My son is a great athlete and excels and is in fact a Dec birthday himself. I still think its just wrong and should be calendar year and age based--like other sports he plays...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quit the whining, lacrosse used to become America's Game, now it's the Crying Game. Hold back this, hold back that. My God, every sport in the US has "hold backs", football has 22 year old Sophomores, no one crying in football or basketball, two sports where physical size matters. You guys are real pu$$ies. If the dads [lacrosse] and moan like this I can only imagine what the kids are like.

Easy there Francis.We are talking Youth Lacrosse.. Every Youth sport doesnt have holdbacks.. Most go by age?? But somehow Lacrosse has grade base without any age restrictions?? Yea that is the intent of youth sports! Hialrious

Agreed - once you get to 9th grade, the hold back discussion falls away, and even mentioning it with regards to college is ridiculous! BUT, for 8th grade and down, lacrosse is legitimately ridiculed for both the hold back practices that many teams engage in as well as the overall gaming of the system that goes on as a result, and it all stems from the grade-based model. In the larger scheme of things, organized youth lacrosse in much less mature than many other sports, and those more mature sports have all gone through this and moved to an age-based system in order to counteract the negative consequences of non-age based systems. Rather than supporting the 'immature' practice, we should learn from the more mature sports and realize that age-based teams are the way the sport should go. There is absolutely nothing unique about the sport of lacrosse that suggests it should not mature in its approach and move in the same direction as other sports already have. Further, there is nothing adverse in doing so, other than the fact that so many programs and teams are operating under a flawed system today - such thinking is ignorant and, in the end, will prevent lacrosse from growing to what it could be.

i don't see it as ridiculous to mention holdbacks when speaking on the collage basis. What i do think is ridiculous is a 24 year old undergrad. graduating at 23 you should at least have a masters

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quit the whining, lacrosse used to become America's Game, now it's the Crying Game. Hold back this, hold back that. My God, every sport in the US has "hold backs", football has 22 year old Sophomores, no one crying in football or basketball, two sports where physical size matters. You guys are real pu$$ies. If the dads [lacrosse] and moan like this I can only imagine what the kids are like.

Easy there Francis.We are talking Youth Lacrosse.. Every Youth sport doesnt have holdbacks.. Most go by age?? But somehow Lacrosse has grade base without any age restrictions?? Yea that is the intent of youth sports! Hialrious

Agreed - once you get to 9th grade, the hold back discussion falls away, and even mentioning it with regards to college is ridiculous! BUT, for 8th grade and down, lacrosse is legitimately ridiculed for both the hold back practices that many teams engage in as well as the overall gaming of the system that goes on as a result, and it all stems from the grade-based model. In the larger scheme of things, organized youth lacrosse in much less mature than many other sports, and those more mature sports have all gone through this and moved to an age-based system in order to counteract the negative consequences of non-age based systems. Rather than supporting the 'immature' practice, we should learn from the more mature sports and realize that age-based teams are the way the sport should go. There is absolutely nothing unique about the sport of lacrosse that suggests it should not mature in its approach and move in the same direction as other sports already have. Further, there is nothing adverse in doing so, other than the fact that so many programs and teams are operating under a flawed system today - such thinking is ignorant and, in the end, will prevent lacrosse from growing to what it could be.

i don't see it as ridiculous to mention holdbacks when speaking on the collage basis. What i do think is ridiculous is a 24 year old undergrad. graduating at 23 you should at least have a masters

It might be a ridiculous circumstance, but it means little to nothing with regards to performance on the field, so in regards to subject at hand, not relevant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please pull your son out of lacrosse, if the holdback thing bothers you so much, play baseball. My son has played on age and I have never cared about a holdback. He did fine, sometimes the other kid was better and sometimes he was better, but you guys just can't get a grip on your son not being the best. So you start this holdback nonsense up. Here's the fact, your son is not as good as you think.

Good idea - ignore a problem with the sport that will keep it from growing to where it could go to, and not learn from other sports.

My son is an average player on age in 2021 - he plays down a grade with 2022 and he looks like Paul Rabil. See the issue? If not, you're missing the whole point.

It's not a growing problem, the same whiners keep complaining about it. It's a fact of life, adjust to it and quit crying. Here's my take, it doesn't affect my on age son because he doesn't care and neither do I. See how that works.

Parents should encourage their kids to have fun and try to beat the other kids in front of them. Parents should not become the center of attention or a distraction to their kids. If the leagues changed to age-based, everyone would complain that some other kids are 11 months older. What would be next, age-groups by 6 month spreads? Society has become so weak.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not a growing problem, the same whiners keep complaining about it. It's a fact of life, adjust to it and quit crying. Here's my take, it doesn't affect my on age son because he doesn't care and neither do I. See how that works.

"it's a fact of life . . ." ignorance and myopic statement beyond belief. Attitudes such as yours would have never allowed improvement in anything. Not much of a forward thinker or leader, are you?

You're just scared when your son will have to leave his current 21 team and try out for the 20 team--and that is a fact. That is why you want to ignore because deep inside those dark places in your mind you don't like to discuss at your cocktail parties or in your case tractor pulls, you KNOW the truth. hahahahahahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not a growing problem, the same whiners keep complaining about it. It's a fact of life, adjust to it and quit crying. Here's my take, it doesn't affect my on age son because he doesn't care and neither do I. See how that works.

"it's a fact of life . . ." ignorance and myopic statement beyond belief. Attitudes such as yours would have never allowed improvement in anything. Not much of a forward thinker or leader, are you?

If we keep forward thinking too much on every little thing we don't agree with, we'll all be wearing pink p-bow hats and wondering why our grand kids can't break their way out of a paper bag.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're just scared when your son will have to leave his current 21 team and try out for the 20 team--and that is a fact. That is why you want to ignore because deep inside those dark places in your mind you don't like to discuss at your cocktail parties or in your case tractor pulls, you KNOW the truth. hahahahahahaha

Unless it's Doogie Howser, not sure how your scenario would apply to any realistic situation

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually it is 64-4 since January 1, 2016. Three of the 4 losses were at the WSYL in Denver in July 2016. Great game with Team 91 Blaze (6-5 was the score I believe), Eclipse (lost by 1 goal) and Legacy (big margin of victory for Legacy - great team who blew everybody out). Fourth loss was to Madlax 2021 this weekend in overtime. All 4 were great teams, who were better than TC on that given day. That's sports, right? Bottom line is that all of our kids are fortunate to be able to compete at such a high level, and it is totally positive. We hope to continue to compete with the elite teams in LI, Maryland and the other historical hotbeds of Lax. Best of luck to all of the great programs out there!

Interesting... 3 of 4 losses were at WSYL where age was regulated. Likely scenario is that you couldn't bring your typical older kids which hurt you in the tournament.

I don't see a problem with teams having older kids so long as the teams sign up for tournaments with like competition. If you play the AA division you know what you are going to get and I think it is great for teams to challenge themselves. My problem is when very good teams like Team Carolina play down to trophy hunt or duck competition so they can run up their record and beat teams by double digit goals and then go to message boards and brag about their record. Google Big South 2015 tourneymachine for one example where they played the U-13 B division in a Charlotte tournament and ran up the scores.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not a growing problem, the same whiners keep complaining about it. It's a fact of life, adjust to it and quit crying. Here's my take, it doesn't affect my on age son because he doesn't care and neither do I. See how that works.

"it's a fact of life . . ." ignorance and myopic statement beyond belief. Attitudes such as yours would have never allowed improvement in anything. Not much of a forward thinker or leader, are you?

It's lacrosse so no, I think it's a sport, one that your son is obviously not very good at. Stop making excuses for him and buy him a baseball glove, or a pair of dance shoes. Not much of a dad are you?

If you are talking about winning games, yes, age matters in middle school. If you are talking about getting recruited, age doesn't matter. A player is either good, or he is not. It doesn't matter what he looks like playing against other kids- feet, stick work, attitude, athleticism don't lie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not a growing problem, the same whiners keep complaining about it. It's a fact of life, adjust to it and quit crying. Here's my take, it doesn't affect my on age son because he doesn't care and neither do I. See how that works.

"it's a fact of life . . ." ignorance and myopic statement beyond belief. Attitudes such as yours would have never allowed improvement in anything. Not much of a forward thinker or leader, are you?

It's lacrosse so no, I think it's a sport, one that your son is obviously not very good at. Stop making excuses for him and buy him a baseball glove, or a pair of dance shoes. Not much of a dad are you?

Not describing my son - he is beast on the football field and carries his own in pretty much any other sport he plays, including lax. That doesn't mean that making a sport better is not the right forward thinking. Seems you have problems reasoning more complex concepts and resorting to ad hominem, a clear sign of a losing argument!

Interesting that Nassau and Suffolk top 20 are now including a rising Freshman division. College coaches asked for this. This is the absolutely best event that is not a money grab. Every top college is there, it's on LI and it's inexpensive. Sorry private school kids cannot attend. If college coaches are asking for this, it seems that early recruiting is going nowhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not a growing problem, the same whiners keep complaining about it. It's a fact of life, adjust to it and quit crying. Here's my take, it doesn't affect my on age son because he doesn't care and neither do I. See how that works.

"it's a fact of life . . ." ignorance and myopic statement beyond belief. Attitudes such as yours would have never allowed improvement in anything. Not much of a forward thinker or leader, are you?

It's lacrosse so no, I think it's a sport, one that your son is obviously not very good at. Stop making excuses for him and buy him a baseball glove, or a pair of dance shoes. Not much of a dad are you?

Not describing my son - he is beast on the football field and carries his own in pretty much any other sport he plays, including lax. That doesn't mean that making a sport better is not the right forward thinking. Seems you have problems reasoning more complex concepts and resorting to ad hominem, a clear sign of a losing argument!

You see if that were really the case you wouldn't need to post it on an anonymous lacrosse board, along with your complaints about "holdbacks". If he was the best, he would dominate. You are complaining, therefore proving my point that he is just not very good. By the way, describing your son as a "beast" on the football field makes you look like an [lacrosse]hole. Which you are. But keep posting on here about how awesome his is, reality is far different, and everyone on here sees through your BS. But hey, fantasy is some guys reality. I'm sure your husband is the "hottest" of all the local spouses too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not a growing problem, the same whiners keep complaining about it. It's a fact of life, adjust to it and quit crying. Here's my take, it doesn't affect my on age son because he doesn't care and neither do I. See how that works.

"it's a fact of life . . ." ignorance and myopic statement beyond belief. Attitudes such as yours would have never allowed improvement in anything. Not much of a forward thinker or leader, are you?

It's lacrosse so no, I think it's a sport, one that your son is obviously not very good at. Stop making excuses for him and buy him a baseball glove, or a pair of dance shoes. Not much of a dad are you?

Not describing my son - he is beast on the football field and carries his own in pretty much any other sport he plays, including lax. That doesn't mean that making a sport better is not the right forward thinking. Seems you have problems reasoning more complex concepts and resorting to ad hominem, a clear sign of a losing argument!

You see if that were really the case you wouldn't need to post it on an anonymous lacrosse board, along with your complaints about "holdbacks". If he was the best, he would dominate. You are complaining, therefore proving my point that he is just not very good. By the way, describing your son as a "beast" on the football field makes you look like an [lacrosse]hole. Which you are. But keep posting on here about how awesome his is, reality is far different, and everyone on here sees through your BS. But hey, fantasy is some guys reality. I'm sure your husband is the "hottest" of all the local spouses too.

I think you are being the jackass, nothing wrong with trying to make things better. Whats wrong with open dialogue. Straight to insults, okay then, what do you have a sept 1 kid who you held back and get pissed when you get called out for it.

The hold back issue isnt a sports issue. It is also an academic issue. and it does impact HS years. My on age kid a decent enough player, should be a top 10 student in his class, wont be, why, because 1-5 are a year older, hold backs. Yep those parents bent the rules because Johnnie wasnt ready for Kinder f'n garden, more like wasnt ready to ranked 100 so instead move him (or Move Shannon) back a grade and bang top 10 here we come. What ever works!!!!

Those that don't give their kid an opportunity of an extra year of primary education, when available, are the problem with sports and education today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not a growing problem, the same whiners keep complaining about it. It's a fact of life, adjust to it and quit crying. Here's my take, it doesn't affect my on age son because he doesn't care and neither do I. See how that works.

"it's a fact of life . . ." ignorance and myopic statement beyond belief. Attitudes such as yours would have never allowed improvement in anything. Not much of a forward thinker or leader, are you?

It's lacrosse so no, I think it's a sport, one that your son is obviously not very good at. Stop making excuses for him and buy him a baseball glove, or a pair of dance shoes. Not much of a dad are you?

Not describing my son - he is beast on the football field and carries his own in pretty much any other sport he plays, including lax. That doesn't mean that making a sport better is not the right forward thinking. Seems you have problems reasoning more complex concepts and resorting to ad hominem, a clear sign of a losing argument!

You see if that were really the case you wouldn't need to post it on an anonymous lacrosse board, along with your complaints about "holdbacks". If he was the best, he would dominate. You are complaining, therefore proving my point that he is just not very good. By the way, describing your son as a "beast" on the football field makes you look like an [lacrosse]hole. Which you are. But keep posting on here about how awesome his is, reality is far different, and everyone on here sees through your BS. But hey, fantasy is some guys reality. I'm sure your husband is the "hottest" of all the local spouses too.

If you don't want to be involved in a discussion - leave! Where in my posts did I ever say my kid was the best, or, on other hand, did I say he is seriously and adversely impacted by holdbacks? The point that you have missed in all of this, as it has gone over your head multiple times, is that lacrosse as sport is mired in your simpleton thinking (and incendiary ad hominem arguments) and will not grow to its potential - my son could be the best on LI, and nothing would change about that argument - in fact, it has zero bearing on point. And, so you know, I am not a Mom - I played college ball in a sport at a high level, and have already fulfilled my athletic life goals my sons can and will do what they want, if they want, without me needling to live vicariously through them. I am involved as a coach and a board member in my local youth leagues, so I have further first hand perspective of what works and what doesn't work i n sports. So, with all your vitriol, non contributions to the discussion, what are your bona fides for weighing in? What have you done athletically and/or to help youth sports? And since I played college football, and now coach and am part of our local youth football league, I can reasonably and competently assess my son or any other player's prowess in that sport. Will his prowess continue as he gets older? Who knows - there are a lot of factors. But, today he is a dominant player who frequently dictates play on one side of the ball to the extent that one player can in that sport. The only one making an [lacrosse] on this board is you, so, please continue to post!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not a growing problem, the same whiners keep complaining about it. It's a fact of life, adjust to it and quit crying. Here's my take, it doesn't affect my on age son because he doesn't care and neither do I. See how that works.

"it's a fact of life . . ." ignorance and myopic statement beyond belief. Attitudes such as yours would have never allowed improvement in anything. Not much of a forward thinker or leader, are you?

It's lacrosse so no, I think it's a sport, one that your son is obviously not very good at. Stop making excuses for him and buy him a baseball glove, or a pair of dance shoes. Not much of a dad are you?

Not describing my son - he is beast on the football field and carries his own in pretty much any other sport he plays, including lax. That doesn't mean that making a sport better is not the right forward thinking. Seems you have problems reasoning more complex concepts and resorting to ad hominem, a clear sign of a losing argument!

You see if that were really the case you wouldn't need to post it on an anonymous lacrosse board, along with your complaints about "holdbacks". If he was the best, he would dominate. You are complaining, therefore proving my point that he is just not very good. By the way, describing your son as a "beast" on the football field makes you look like an [lacrosse]hole. Which you are. But keep posting on here about how awesome his is, reality is far different, and everyone on here sees through your BS. But hey, fantasy is some guys reality. I'm sure your husband is the "hottest" of all the local spouses too.

If you don't want to be involved in a discussion - leave! Where in my posts did I ever say my kid was the best, or, on other hand, did I say he is seriously and adversely impacted by holdbacks? The point that you have missed in all of this, as it has gone over your head multiple times, is that lacrosse as sport is mired in your simpleton thinking (and incendiary ad hominem arguments) and will not grow to its potential - my son could be the best on LI, and nothing would change about that argument - in fact, it has zero bearing on point. And, so you know, I am not a Mom - I played college ball in a sport at a high level, and have already fulfilled my athletic life goals my sons can and will do what they want, if they want, without me needling to live vicariously through them. I am involved as a coach and a board member in my local youth leagues, so I have further first hand perspective of what works and what doesn't work i n sports. So, with all your vitriol, non contributions to the discussion, what are your bona fides for weighing in? What have you done athletically and/or to help youth sports? And since I played college football, and now coach and am part of our local youth football league, I can reasonably and competently assess my son or any other player's prowess in that sport. Will his prowess continue as he gets older? Who knows - there are a lot of factors. But, today he is a dominant player who frequently dictates play on one side of the ball to the extent that one player can in that sport. The only one making an [lacrosse] on this board is you, so, please continue to post!

So now you and junior are both "BEASTS" thanks dad! I'm sure you and Al Bundy can both celebrate. Spare me your overblown nonsense, you said your son was a "beast" on the football field as well as carries his own in any other sport, so you are implying his dominance dad. But you are the [lacrosse]hole, you cry a river of tears about "holdbacks" the only reason being your son's inability to succeed against them. That's your problem and only your problem. Don't like the rules, file a lawsuit, you sound like the type. At any rate, you can kiss my a$$, because frankly you're not the type of person I would choose to be around anyway, your constant whining and carrying on would make me sick. So round up the boys on tell them all about your HS and college football highlights, I'm sure they are numerous, and cry about the inequities in 8th grade lacrosse. Like I wrote earlier, you're the typical [lacrosse] parent ruing sports by being OVERLY involved. That's the real reason lacrosse is being ruined. My son, well he does fine against holdbacks, and we don't sit around the kitchen table crying in our "BEAST" milk, like you and your "BEAST" anyways see you around "BEAST" dad.

So now you and junior are both "BEASTS" thanks dad! I'm sure you and Al Bundy can both celebrate. Spare me your overblown nonsense, you said your son was a "beast" on the football field as well as carries his own in any other sport, so you are implying his dominance dad. But you are the [lacrosse]hole, you cry a river of tears about "holdbacks" the only reason being your son's inability to succeed against them. That's your problem and only your problem. Don't like the rules, file a lawsuit, you sound like the type. At any rate, you can kiss my a$$, because frankly you're not the type of person I would choose to be around anyway, your constant whining and carrying on would make me sick. So round up the boys on tell them all about your HS and college football highlights, I'm sure they are numerous, and cry about the inequities in 8th grade lacrosse. Like I wrote earlier, you're the typical [lacrosse] parent ruing sports by being OVERLY involved. That's the real reason lacrosse is being ruined. My son, well he does fine against holdbacks, and we don't sit around the kitchen table crying in our "BEAST" milk, like you and your "BEAST" anyways see you around "BEAST" dad.[/quote]

You obviously have no idea what the term "hold your own" means - there are lots of online dictionaries available to you, so maybe you should try one. (Hint: none of them indicate dominance!) And to your ridiculous logic, every coach, parent that is involved in youth sports and improving that sport is ruining it - again, your argumentative 'skills' indicate a lack of depth of intelligent discourse - you need to simply debate into black and white so you can 'keep up' = involvement in youth sports = bad, not involved = good. Also, when you can't argue the merits of your position, you fall back on attacks that have nothing to do with the discussion. OK, sure - let the kids organize themselves. Who the [lacrosse] do you think makes youth sports even possible for our kids?! For the record, my sons and I have never had a discussion about holdbacks - my advocation of age-based sports is over involvement?? Please! That's the best argument you've got? Again, what have you done to make youth sports better?? Lastly, having played at the college level speaks for itself - if you actually looked at and considered the numbers, you would understand what that means. So, again, by all means, keep pushing your narrative. LOL!

this stuff is too funny. But could you fools keep the comments shorter so I don't waste too much time reading this stuff. Thanks for your cooperation. I'm waiting for the meet me in the parking lot statement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

this stuff is too funny. But could you fools keep the comments shorter so I don't waste too much time reading this stuff. Thanks for your cooperation. I'm waiting for the meet me in the parking lot statement.

This is shorter . . . the other guy might resort to that in that it is keeping with his simpleton argument style, but I won't go there.

Hold back issue has been beaten to death. With words like ad hominem (sp?) and vitriol (sp?), I need a dictionary. So let's move on to the next controversy.

Top 5 LI teams and then a breakdown by position (can be any team-not just the supposed top 5).

Overall Team:
1. Igloo Black Ice
2. 9d1?
3. Express?
4. Icon?
5. Outlaws?Legacy?Empire?

Attack: Mid: FO:
1. 1. 1.
2. 2. 2.
3. 3. 3.
4. 4. 4.
5. 5. 5.

Defense: Goalie:
1. 1.
2. 2.
3. 3.
4. 4.
5. 5.

And why no LI club spring league or play days? Would only help all of our boys in the long run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now you and junior are both "BEASTS" thanks dad! I'm sure you and Al Bundy can both celebrate. Spare me your overblown nonsense, you said your son was a "beast" on the football field as well as carries his own in any other sport, so you are implying his dominance dad. But you are the [lacrosse]hole, you cry a river of tears about "holdbacks" the only reason being your son's inability to succeed against them. That's your problem and only your problem. Don't like the rules, file a lawsuit, you sound like the type. At any rate, you can kiss my a$$, because frankly you're not the type of person I would choose to be around anyway, your constant whining and carrying on would make me sick. So round up the boys on tell them all about your HS and college football highlights, I'm sure they are numerous, and cry about the inequities in 8th grade lacrosse. Like I wrote earlier, you're the typical [lacrosse] parent ruing sports by being OVERLY involved. That's the real reason lacrosse is being ruined. My son, well he does fine against holdbacks, and we don't sit around the kitchen table crying in our "BEAST" milk, like you and your "BEAST" anyways see you around "BEAST" dad.

You obviously have no idea what the term "hold your own" means - there are lots of online dictionaries available to you, so maybe you should try one. (Hint: none of them indicate dominance!) And to your ridiculous logic, every coach, parent that is involved in youth sports and improving that sport is ruining it - again, your argumentative 'skills' indicate a lack of depth of intelligent discourse - you need to simply debate into black and white so you can 'keep up' = involvement in youth sports = bad, not involved = good. Also, when you can't argue the merits of your position, you fall back on attacks that have nothing to do with the discussion. OK, sure - let the kids organize themselves. Who the [lacrosse] do you think makes youth sports even possible for our kids?! For the record, my sons and I have never had a discussion about holdbacks - my advocation of age-based sports is over involvement?? Please! That's the best argument you've got? Again, what have you done to make youth sports better?? Lastly, having played at the college level speaks for itself - if you actually looked at and considered the numbers, you would understand what that means. So, again, by all means, keep pushing your narrative. LOL![/quote]

Obviously you are quite the academic as well as a great athlete. You have given everyone on here your prolific collegiate athletic exploits, as well as written quite impressively, congratulations, it's very impressive. I'm done with your nonsense, so why don't you and the boys have some "Beast flakes" and have a pleasant St. Paddy's Day. BEAST ON!!

its like Richard Simmons and Boy George having a verbal cat fight....

Does anyone know who is playing in shamrock on April 8th?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now you and junior are both "BEASTS" thanks dad! I'm sure you and Al Bundy can both celebrate. Spare me your overblown nonsense, you said your son was a "beast" on the football field as well as carries his own in any other sport, so you are implying his dominance dad. But you are the [lacrosse]hole, you cry a river of tears about "holdbacks" the only reason being your son's inability to succeed against them. That's your problem and only your problem. Don't like the rules, file a lawsuit, you sound like the type. At any rate, you can kiss my a$$, because frankly you're not the type of person I would choose to be around anyway, your constant whining and carrying on would make me sick. So round up the boys on tell them all about your HS and college football highlights, I'm sure they are numerous, and cry about the inequities in 8th grade lacrosse. Like I wrote earlier, you're the typical [lacrosse] parent ruing sports by being OVERLY involved. That's the real reason lacrosse is being ruined. My son, well he does fine against holdbacks, and we don't sit around the kitchen table crying in our "BEAST" milk, like you and your "BEAST" anyways see you around "BEAST" dad.

You obviously have no idea what the term "hold your own" means - there are lots of online dictionaries available to you, so maybe you should try one. (Hint: none of them indicate dominance!) And to your ridiculous logic, every coach, parent that is involved in youth sports and improving that sport is ruining it - again, your argumentative 'skills' indicate a lack of depth of intelligent discourse - you need to simply debate into black and white so you can 'keep up' = involvement in youth sports = bad, not involved = good. Also, when you can't argue the merits of your position, you fall back on attacks that have nothing to do with the discussion. OK, sure - let the kids organize themselves. Who the [lacrosse] do you think makes youth sports even possible for our kids?! For the record, my sons and I have never had a discussion about holdbacks - my advocation of age-based sports is over involvement?? Please! That's the best argument you've got? Again, what have you done to make youth sports better?? Lastly, having played at the college level speaks for itself - if you actually looked at and considered the numbers, you would understand what that means. So, again, by all means, keep pushing your narrative. LOL!

Obviously you are quite the academic as well as a great athlete. You have given everyone on here your prolific collegiate athletic exploits, as well as written quite impressively, congratulations, it's very impressive. I'm done with your nonsense, so why don't you and the boys have some "Beast flakes" and have a pleasant St. Paddy's Day. BEAST ON!!
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Taking his ball and going home . . .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

its like Richard Simmons and Boy George having a verbal cat fight....

Have you actually seen richard simmons, thought he was in the missing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now you and junior are both "BEASTS" thanks dad! I'm sure you and Al Bundy can both celebrate. Spare me your overblown nonsense, you said your son was a "beast" on the football field as well as carries his own in any other sport, so you are implying his dominance dad. But you are the [lacrosse]hole, you cry a river of tears about "holdbacks" the only reason being your son's inability to succeed against them. That's your problem and only your problem. Don't like the rules, file a lawsuit, you sound like the type. At any rate, you can kiss my a$$, because frankly you're not the type of person I would choose to be around anyway, your constant whining and carrying on would make me sick. So round up the boys on tell them all about your HS and college football highlights, I'm sure they are numerous, and cry about the inequities in 8th grade lacrosse. Like I wrote earlier, you're the typical [lacrosse] parent ruing sports by being OVERLY involved. That's the real reason lacrosse is being ruined. My son, well he does fine against holdbacks, and we don't sit around the kitchen table crying in our "BEAST" milk, like you and your "BEAST" anyways see you around "BEAST" dad.

You obviously have no idea what the term "hold your own" means - there are lots of online dictionaries available to you, so maybe you should try one. (Hint: none of them indicate dominance!) And to your ridiculous logic, every coach, parent that is involved in youth sports and improving that sport is ruining it - again, your argumentative 'skills' indicate a lack of depth of intelligent discourse - you need to simply debate into black and white so you can 'keep up' = involvement in youth sports = bad, not involved = good. Also, when you can't argue the merits of your position, you fall back on attacks that have nothing to do with the discussion. OK, sure - let the kids organize themselves. Who the [lacrosse] do you think makes youth sports even possible for our kids?! For the record, my sons and I have never had a discussion about holdbacks - my advocation of age-based sports is over involvement?? Please! That's the best argument you've got? Again, what have you done to make youth sports better?? Lastly, having played at the college level speaks for itself - if you actually looked at and considered the numbers, you would understand what that means. So, again, by all means, keep pushing your narrative. LOL!

Obviously you are quite the academic as well as a great athlete. You have given everyone on here your prolific collegiate athletic exploits, as well as written quite impressively, congratulations, it's very impressive. I'm done with your nonsense, so why don't you and the boys have some "Beast flakes" and have a pleasant St. Paddy's Day. BEAST ON!!

Taking his ball and going home . . . [/quote]

Taking the ball and BEASTING on....

Richard Simmons always was on age- never held back. Unlike Boy George who re-classed- first age then gender.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting that Nassau and Suffolk top 20 are now including a rising Freshman division. College coaches asked for this. This is the absolutely best event that is not a money grab. Every top college is there, it's on LI and it's inexpensive. Sorry private school kids cannot attend. If college coaches are asking for this, it seems that early recruiting is going nowhere.

HS Coaches pick this team, so the kids don't need to worry about club coaches and their agendas.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting that Nassau and Suffolk top 20 are now including a rising Freshman division. College coaches asked for this. This is the absolutely best event that is not a money grab. Every top college is there, it's on LI and it's inexpensive. Sorry private school kids cannot attend. If college coaches are asking for this, it seems that early recruiting is going nowhere.

HS Coaches pick this team, so the kids don't need to worry about club coaches and their agendas.

Oh yeah... And the HS coaches are very fair, not one of them favors kids from their school. It just so happens that multiple kids from the same program just happen to make the team. Same political BS. Mines committed, so no sour grapes here, just the reality of this event.

Your 8th grader is committed? I think not!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting that Nassau and Suffolk top 20 are now including a rising Freshman division. College coaches asked for this. This is the absolutely best event that is not a money grab. Every top college is there, it's on LI and it's inexpensive. Sorry private school kids cannot attend. If college coaches are asking for this, it seems that early recruiting is going nowhere.

HS Coaches pick this team, so the kids don't need to worry about club coaches and their agendas.

Oh yeah... And the HS coaches are very fair, not one of them favors kids from their school. It just so happens that multiple kids from the same program just happen to make the team. Same political BS. Mines committed, so no sour grapes here, just the reality of this event.

"Mines" are you referring to something miners dig?

On a serious note, most of us who have boys interested in playing at the College level will be doing recruiting tournaments this summer. The Syracuse Coach said to go to the colleges directly because that is the only way that they can get a good look at a player. The question is how do you get to these college camps? Not all of them are published or easy to find. I have received emails from colleges looking to have my son go to ones that I wouldn't even consider. Do they get the boy's email addresses from tournaments and blast all of the kids? I'm new to this, and I'm really trying to do the best thing for my boy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On a serious note, most of us who have boys interested in playing at the College level will be doing recruiting tournaments this summer. The Syracuse Coach said to go to the colleges directly because that is the only way that they can get a good look at a player. The question is how do you get to these college camps? Not all of them are published or easy to find. I have received emails from colleges looking to have my son go to ones that I wouldn't even consider. Do they get the boy's email addresses from tournaments and blast all of the kids? I'm new to this, and I'm really trying to do the best thing for my boy.

Yes they do.

8th grade is very young to go to a D-1 prospect day. Your son may get turned off to the sport completely. The coaches lump the players all together and have them play. It can be very intimidating for an 8th grader. Be careful, weigh the options.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On a serious note, most of us who have boys interested in playing at the College level will be doing recruiting tournaments this summer. The Syracuse Coach said to go to the colleges directly because that is the only way that they can get a good look at a player. The question is how do you get to these college camps? Not all of them are published or easy to find. I have received emails from colleges looking to have my son go to ones that I wouldn't even consider. Do they get the boy's email addresses from tournaments and blast all of the kids? I'm new to this, and I'm really trying to do the best thing for my boy.

Yes they do.

Most schools have the prospect camp info directly on their team web page .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On a serious note, most of us who have boys interested in playing at the College level will be doing recruiting tournaments this summer. The Syracuse Coach said to go to the colleges directly because that is the only way that they can get a good look at a player. The question is how do you get to these college camps? Not all of them are published or easy to find. I have received emails from colleges looking to have my son go to ones that I wouldn't even consider. Do they get the boy's email addresses from tournaments and blast all of the kids? I'm new to this, and I'm really trying to do the best thing for my boy.

Yes they do.

Most schools have the prospect camp info directly on their team web page .

Be careful about the prospect camp, brought my son to a D-1 CAA team prospect camp as a freshman and it was very intense. Non stop 5 hour marathon session. Some big boys on the field, they drove themselves and had very impressive facial hair.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On a serious note, most of us who have boys interested in playing at the College level will be doing recruiting tournaments this summer. The Syracuse Coach said to go to the colleges directly because that is the only way that they can get a good look at a player. The question is how do you get to these college camps? Not all of them are published or easy to find. I have received emails from colleges looking to have my son go to ones that I wouldn't even consider. Do they get the boy's email addresses from tournaments and blast all of the kids? I'm new to this, and I'm really trying to do the best thing for my boy.

Get a highlight reel. Have your son (you) email Coaches (all Coaches and Asst. Coaches) with his interest in the school and the program. Include summer schedule. Need to have Highlight reel. Chances of Coaches reading email rise exponentially with reel. They will then start emailing you about camps. You should also fill out the recruiting questionnaire.

Dont spend money on travel, hotels, etc. to attend far away prospect days unless your kid gets invited. Coaches have the kids they invite and really want to watch. Some freak athlete who shows up unannounced may turn their head, but for the most part they are watching the kids they invited. Others can disagree, but that has been our experience.

My 2 olders never filled out any questioneeer. If they like your play they will recruit you. The is no secret formula. Excelling, not just playing for a good HS or club program or recruiting showcase gets you noticed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 2 olders never filled out any questioneeer. If they like your play they will recruit you. The is no secret formula. Excelling, not just playing for a good HS or club program or recruiting showcase gets you noticed.

Going to put it out there that your sons are the exception to the rule! That is really bad advice for 99.9% of the lacrosse players out there. It is the responsibility of the player and his family to get noticed by NCAA coaches.

Team Carolina 2021 9, Long Island express 3.

If that's true, that's great!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that's true, that's great!

Haven't we been through this before? A scrimmage, really? First time outdoors for Express. Let's see if TC posts about this historic win on twitter or Instagram. See you clowns in July.

I love reading the comments.😂

Hope so. You guys are unreal. You literally try to rationalize every time you lose or something doesn't go your way. Just sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope so. You guys are unreal. You literally try to rationalize every time you lose or something doesn't go your way. Just sad.

"You guys". Include yourself pal. You started this with posting about a win in a scrimmage.

You LI guys are unreal. You are masters at explaining everything away and rationaling every loss. Here's an idea, accept your losses and show some class. News flash, you are not the center of the lacrosse universe and everything does NOT revolve around you.

We'll see you soon. Check your excuses at the door.

Xoxo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that's true, that's great!

Haven't we been through this before? A scrimmage, really? First time outdoors for Express. Let's see if TC posts about this historic win on twitter or Instagram. See you clowns in July.

BEATDOWN!! More to follow!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that's true, that's great!

Haven't we been through this before? A scrimmage, really? First time outdoors for Express. Let's see if TC posts about this historic win on twitter or Instagram. See you clowns in July.

BEATDOWN!! More to follow!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You LI guys are unreal. You are masters at explaining everything away and rationaling every loss. Here's an idea, accept your losses and show some class. News flash, you are not the center of the lacrosse universe and everything does NOT revolve around you.

We'll see you soon. Check your excuses at the door.

Xoxo

Here's another idea: stop posting about every win TC has in a scrimmage on a northeast lacrosse forum. Win with dignity. Stop bragging about a March win. Btw until NC has 5 teams as good as TC then LI is still the center of the lacrosse universe. You are acting like a want to be. Losses to Madlax and a tie with Greene Turtle is not too impressive. And hey mom, 1/2 of your team should be 2020. Considering those facts your team is not too impressive. How do you like that excuse?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that's true, that's great!

Haven't we been through this before? A scrimmage, really? First time outdoors for Express. Let's see if TC posts about this historic win on twitter or Instagram. See you clowns in July.

BEATDOWN!! More to follow!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You LI guys are unreal. You are masters at explaining everything away and rationaling every loss. Here's an idea, accept your losses and show some class. News flash, you are not the center of the lacrosse universe and everything does NOT revolve around you.

We'll see you soon. Check your excuses at the door.

Xoxo

Here's another idea: stop posting about every win TC has in a scrimmage on a northeast lacrosse forum. Win with dignity. Stop bragging about a March win. Btw until NC has 5 teams as good as TC then LI is still the center of the lacrosse universe. You are acting like a want to be. Losses to Madlax and a tie with Greene Turtle is not too impressive. And hey mom, 1/2 of your team should be 2020. Considering those facts your team is not too impressive. How do you like that excuse?

Better than the excuses your making for losing!

It is true. Long Island has about seven great to very good teams. Maryland and PA have many good teams as well. Maybe not as many as Long Island but still impressive. Not a Express parent but that team and 9d1 do always start off poor and pick it up by July. Remember last year on this thread people were posting in March about the demise of these two teams only to see them unbeatable in the Summer. Congrats on your win. Two big wins but between those two wins was a bad loss. We will see what happens at Natown and other tournaments when it counts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is true. Long Island has about seven great to very good teams. Maryland and PA have many good teams as well. Maybe not as many as Long Island but still impressive. Not a Express parent but that team and 9d1 do always start off poor and pick it up by July. Remember last year on this thread people were posting in March about the demise of these two teams only to see them unbeatable in the Summer. Congrats on your win. Two big wins but between those two wins was a bad loss. We will see what happens at Natown and other tournaments when it counts.

Doesn't it all count? Or does it only count when tour team wins?

Top five teams so far this spring:

1. TC
2. HHH
3. Crabs
4. LXC
5. Madlax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top five teams so far this spring:

1. TC
2. HHH
3. Crabs
4. LXC
5. Madlax

Funny

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top five teams so far this spring:

1. TC
2. HHH
3. Crabs
4. LXC
5. Madlax

Hey where can I read the rankings for club lacrosse for 8th graders?

What an uneducated post. But then again most of the post on this site are self serving and made up information..these boys played age and grade appropriate...anyone who claims different is well...uneducated and jealous of another team having success and for unknown reasons, the person of that post needs to justify false information to make themselves feel better. Pitiful....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What an uneducated post. But then again most of the post on this site are self serving and made up information..these boys played age and grade appropriate...anyone who claims different is well...uneducated and jealous of another team having success and for unknown reasons, the person of that post needs to justify false information to make themselves feel better. Pitiful....

Hint: If you are responding to a prior post, use the "Quote" button so that others know what you are responding to.

What is the trophy called for the 8th grade Club Championship Game? Where can I find past winners of the 8th Grade Club Lacrosse Championship?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the trophy called for the 8th grade Club Championship Game? Where can I find past winners of the 8th Grade Club Lacrosse Championship?

If you dont know then you and your son are not made for elite club lacrosse. If you are even asking about 8th grade past winners then you obviously have a son that is too late to get into elite lacrosse. Play rec and enjoy. You missed the boat on elite lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the trophy called for the 8th grade Club Championship Game? Where can I find past winners of the 8th Grade Club Lacrosse Championship?

If you dont know then you and your son are not made for elite club lacrosse. If you are even asking about 8th grade past winners then you obviously have a son that is too late to get into elite lacrosse. Play rec and enjoy. You missed the boat on elite lacrosse.

And you missed the sarcasm boat dumb a$$. So wrapped up in bull[lacrosse] club. Wait until junior gets to high school and the game means something jacka$$. Club is so very tough, zero adversity and crybaby parents who believe everything the guy they are paying $3000 too. Ignorant dope.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the trophy called for the 8th grade Club Championship Game? Where can I find past winners of the 8th Grade Club Lacrosse Championship?

If you dont know then you and your son are not made for elite club lacrosse. If you are even asking about 8th grade past winners then you obviously have a son that is too late to get into elite lacrosse. Play rec and enjoy. You missed the boat on elite lacrosse.

And you missed the sarcasm boat dumb a$$. So wrapped up in bull[lacrosse] club. Wait until junior gets to high school and the game means something jacka$$. Club is so very tough, zero adversity and crybaby parents who believe everything the guy they are paying $3000 too. Ignorant dope.

Easy there Francis. I think you might want to take your own advice on missing the sarcasm boat. Hilarious

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the trophy called for the 8th grade Club Championship Game? Where can I find past winners of the 8th Grade Club Lacrosse Championship?

If you dont know then you and your son are not made for elite club lacrosse. If you are even asking about 8th grade past winners then you obviously have a son that is too late to get into elite lacrosse. Play rec and enjoy. You missed the boat on elite lacrosse.

And you missed the sarcasm boat dumb a$$. So wrapped up in bull[lacrosse] club. Wait until junior gets to high school and the game means something jacka$$. Club is so very tough, zero adversity and crybaby parents who believe everything the guy they are paying $3000 too. Ignorant dope.

Easy there Francis. I think you might want to take your own advice on missing the sarcasm boat. Hilarious

Yeah keep thinking 8th grade club is the be all end all. When your son is the 7th string middie because you can't pay off the varsity coach come back on here and complain about the politics of the district.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the trophy called for the 8th grade Club Championship Game? Where can I find past winners of the 8th Grade Club Lacrosse Championship?

If you dont know then you and your son are not made for elite club lacrosse. If you are even asking about 8th grade past winners then you obviously have a son that is too late to get into elite lacrosse. Play rec and enjoy. You missed the boat on elite lacrosse.

And you missed the sarcasm boat dumb a$$. So wrapped up in bull[lacrosse] club. Wait until junior gets to high school and the game means something jacka$$. Club is so very tough, zero adversity and crybaby parents who believe everything the guy they are paying $3000 too. Ignorant dope.

Easy there Francis. I think you might want to take your own advice on missing the sarcasm boat. Hilarious

Yeah keep thinking 8th grade club is the be all end all. When your son is the 7th string middie because you can't pay off the varsity coach come back on here and complain about the politics of the district.

Payola of HS coaches Francis ?? Time to call Serpico!

anyone surprised that AA's son was not tossed from the syosset shootout this week after throwing a punch in front of the referee? Rules clearly stated that fighting would lead to an automatic ejection from the tourney. Nothing like taking the opportunity to show your child that rules apply to everyone.

Shocking...

typical

Anyone who attended the warrior tryouts realize that many of the players selected for the team didn't attend the tryouts?

Warrior should be concerned with the integrity or lack thereof, of this event.

Live and learn

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone who attended the warrior tryouts realize that many of the players selected for the team didn't attend the tryouts?

Warrior should be concerned with the integrity or lack thereof, of this event.

Live and learn

I am not sure who was there and who was not, but looking at the roster results the team seems very strong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone who attended the warrior tryouts realize that many of the players selected for the team didn't attend the tryouts?

Warrior should be concerned with the integrity or lack thereof, of this event.

Live and learn

I am not sure who was there and who was not, but looking at the roster results the team seems very strong.

I agree the team is strong, so then don't charge any money and pick your team. The tryouts were expensive and then to take players who didn't attend lacks integrity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone who attended the warrior tryouts realize that many of the players selected for the team didn't attend the tryouts?

Warrior should be concerned with the integrity or lack thereof, of this event.

Live and learn

I am not sure who was there and who was not, but looking at the roster results the team seems very strong.

I agree the team is strong, so then don't charge any money and pick your team. The tryouts were expensive and then to take players who didn't attend lacks integrity.

Sure there might be a couple of "marque" 2021 players who were selected and who may not have been physically present at the tryout, but most of those kids attended the tryout right alongside everyone else. Also, there were definitely players who were less known that made the team based on their tryout performance. For those players, had there not been a tryout as you suggest they would not have gotten the opportunity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone who attended the warrior tryouts realize that many of the players selected for the team didn't attend the tryouts?

Warrior should be concerned with the integrity or lack thereof, of this event.

Live and learn

I am not sure who was there and who was not, but looking at the roster results the team seems very strong.

I agree the team is strong, so then don't charge any money and pick your team. The tryouts were expensive and then to take players who didn't attend lacks integrity.

Spring Lax Jam on Saturday has 4 Laxachussets teams. They either pull from the whole state of drop off significantly after the top 2. Anyone know about them? Same with Mesa and 24 Lacrosse, they are new ones to me. Is there new Express team? Who is Schreiber?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spring Lax Jam on Saturday has 4 Laxachussets teams. They either pull from the whole state of drop off significantly after the top 2. Anyone know about them? Same with Mesa and 24 Lacrosse, they are new ones to me. Is there new Express team? Who is Schreiber?

Schreiber coaches the 2021 Express A team. Not sure about the rest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spring Lax Jam on Saturday has 4 Laxachussets teams. They either pull from the whole state of drop off significantly after the top 2. Anyone know about them? Same with Mesa and 24 Lacrosse, they are new ones to me. Is there new Express team? Who is Schreiber?

Schreiber coaches the 2021 Express A team. Not sure about the rest.

I thought 2021 A was Channy

No more

Not a good weekend for LI teams at the Spring Lax Jam. LI Express Schreiber (formerly Channy) and Ambush both went 1-2 for the weekend. Mesa and Leading Edge were pretty dominant. Outlaws didn't fair so well in the B bracket, and two Laxachussets teams drove to LI to play in the championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a good weekend for LI teams at the Spring Lax Jam. LI Express Schreiber (formerly Channy) and Ambush both went 1-2 for the weekend. Mesa and Leading Edge were pretty dominant. Outlaws didn't fair so well in the B bracket, and two Laxachussets teams drove to LI to play in the championship.

And? What information or response are you try to get?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a good weekend for LI teams at the Spring Lax Jam. LI Express Schreiber (formerly Channy) and Ambush both went 1-2 for the weekend. Mesa and Leading Edge were pretty dominant. Outlaws didn't fair so well in the B bracket, and two Laxachussets teams drove to LI to play in the championship.

And? What information or response are you try to get?

None. Just that the LI Teams have better step it up. I heard that Express has some injuries. Not sure what happened to the Outlaws and Ambush.

Outlaws Select team did not play at the Spring Lax Jam. It was the Outlaws Gold team. I thought Ambush played very well and are a vey good team. Express was missing players. This Summer will bring many close games. The top ten teams will beat each other more often. That's what happens as the kids get older. It will be hard to predict the outcomes of most games as we were able to do in the past. This is Especially so for the teams off Long Island as this is the year they will all add holdbacks. Not saying anyone had holdbacks. The bottom line as the kids get older the difference in the top teams become less and less.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws Select team did not play at the Spring Lax Jam. It was the Outlaws Gold team. I thought Ambush played very well and are a vey good team. Express was missing players. This Summer will bring many close games. The top ten teams will beat each other more often. That's what happens as the kids get older. It will be hard to predict the outcomes of most games as we were able to do in the past. This is Especially so for the teams off Long Island as this is the year they will all add holdbacks. Not saying anyone had holdbacks. The bottom line as the kids get older the difference in the top teams become less and less.

You mean the 6'2" kid from Leading edge is only 13? I don't think so. Same with half the Laxachussets Yellow team. Ambush didn't play with any enthusiam. They could have won all three of their games, and were out hustled on ground balls and forcing too much. There was no offense, just run and gun. You can't win at the A level with that type of a game.

I can't keep up with what Outlaws team is what. Rob Sullivan was the coach. He used to be the Silver, then the Black, and now the Gold? Who knows, but it wasn't their AA Select team, and they played in the B bracket, and didn't play to their normal level. They have beat the Laxachussets teams in the past, and are a solid unit with a good coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws Select team did not play at the Spring Lax Jam. It was the Outlaws Gold team. I thought Ambush played very well and are a vey good team. Express was missing players. This Summer will bring many close games. The top ten teams will beat each other more often. That's what happens as the kids get older. It will be hard to predict the outcomes of most games as we were able to do in the past. This is Especially so for the teams off Long Island as this is the year they will all add holdbacks. Not saying anyone had holdbacks. The bottom line as the kids get older the difference in the top teams become less and less.

You mean the 6'2" kid from Leading edge is only 13? I don't think so. Same with half the Laxachussets Yellow team. Ambush didn't play with any enthusiam. They could have won all three of their games, and were out hustled on ground balls and forcing too much. There was no offense, just run and gun. You can't win at the A level with that type of a game.

I can't keep up with what Outlaws team is what. Rob Sullivan was the coach. He used to be the Silver, then the Black, and now the Gold? Who knows, but it wasn't their AA Select team, and they played in the B bracket, and didn't play to their normal level. They have beat the Laxachussets teams in the past, and are a solid unit with a good coach.

MA teams with holdbacks?? There's a shocker!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws Select team did not play at the Spring Lax Jam. It was the Outlaws Gold team. I thought Ambush played very well and are a vey good team. Express was missing players. This Summer will bring many close games. The top ten teams will beat each other more often. That's what happens as the kids get older. It will be hard to predict the outcomes of most games as we were able to do in the past. This is Especially so for the teams off Long Island as this is the year they will all add holdbacks. Not saying anyone had holdbacks. The bottom line as the kids get older the difference in the top teams become less and less.

You mean the 6'2" kid from Leading edge is only 13? I don't think so. Same with half the Laxachussets Yellow team. Ambush didn't play with any enthusiam. They could have won all three of their games, and were out hustled on ground balls and forcing too much. There was no offense, just run and gun. You can't win at the A level with that type of a game.

I can't keep up with what Outlaws team is what. Rob Sullivan was the coach. He used to be the Silver, then the Black, and now the Gold? Who knows, but it wasn't their AA Select team, and they played in the B bracket, and didn't play to their normal level. They have beat the Laxachussets teams in the past, and are a solid unit with a good coach.

MA teams with holdbacks?? There's a shocker!

One of the Defensemen drove the bus.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws Select team did not play at the Spring Lax Jam. It was the Outlaws Gold team. I thought Ambush played very well and are a vey good team. Express was missing players. This Summer will bring many close games. The top ten teams will beat each other more often. That's what happens as the kids get older. It will be hard to predict the outcomes of most games as we were able to do in the past. This is Especially so for the teams off Long Island as this is the year they will all add holdbacks. Not saying anyone had holdbacks. The bottom line as the kids get older the difference in the top teams become less and less.

You mean the 6'2" kid from Leading edge is only 13? I don't think so. Same with half the Laxachussets Yellow team. Ambush didn't play with any enthusiam. They could have won all three of their games, and were out hustled on ground balls and forcing too much. There was no offense, just run and gun. You can't win at the A level with that type of a game.

I can't keep up with what Outlaws team is what. Rob Sullivan was the coach. He used to be the Silver, then the Black, and now the Gold? Who knows, but it wasn't their AA Select team, and they played in the B bracket, and didn't play to their normal level. They have beat the Laxachussets teams in the past, and are a solid unit with a good coach.

MA teams with holdbacks?? There's a shocker!

One of the Defensemen drove the bus.

LOL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a good weekend for LI teams at the Spring Lax Jam. LI Express Schreiber (formerly Channy) and Ambush both went 1-2 for the weekend. Mesa and Leading Edge were pretty dominant. Outlaws didn't fair so well in the B bracket, and two Laxachussets teams drove to LI to play in the championship.

And? What information or response are you try to get?

None. Just that the LI Teams have better step it up. I heard that Express has some injuries. Not sure what happened to the Outlaws and Ambush.

Ask TC, SweetLax National and Philly Freedom what they think of LI teams. LI better step it up? Please tell me that is a joke, right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws Select team did not play at the Spring Lax Jam. It was the Outlaws Gold team. I thought Ambush played very well and are a vey good team. Express was missing players. This Summer will bring many close games. The top ten teams will beat each other more often. That's what happens as the kids get older. It will be hard to predict the outcomes of most games as we were able to do in the past. This is Especially so for the teams off Long Island as this is the year they will all add holdbacks. Not saying anyone had holdbacks. The bottom line as the kids get older the difference in the top teams become less and less.

You mean the 6'2" kid from Leading edge is only 13? I don't think so. Same with half the Laxachussets Yellow team. Ambush didn't play with any enthusiam. They could have won all three of their games, and were out hustled on ground balls and forcing too much. There was no offense, just run and gun. You can't win at the A level with that type of a game.

I can't keep up with what Outlaws team is what. Rob Sullivan was the coach. He used to be the Silver, then the Black, and now the Gold? Who knows, but it wasn't their AA Select team, and they played in the B bracket, and didn't play to their normal level. They have beat the Laxachussets teams in the past, and are a solid unit with a good coach.

i believe Bobby Rooney is coaching the gold team. i would say they bare a true B team.

BR doesn't coach 2021 gold. He was helping Sully out for one game because his assistant coach was not available. Stop all the baloney

Any thoughts on the Brine Pride of Long Island games last night? I thought the level of lacrosse was good, but not as strong as the Warrior tryout. Have to say I like the Brine tryout formats better though. A tryout, with an alternate date and then the Pride games. I think this format allowed the evaluators to get an effective look at the players. Hopefully, the team will be picked from the players who actually showed up for tryouts and not from those who "sent in video".

My son played in both events,
So, the Warrior level of lacrosse was slightly stronger than the level at Brine, accurate but not relevant to me. The evaluation process was not the same and again, I'm not concerned with that.
But, last night the boys played with intensity and I don't think they were even worried about anything else except playing in the Pride of LI Games and hopefully get a chance to play in Richmond, VA in July.

The boys who get to represent LI at the Brine or Warrior events, will play hard and play to win.
So, just congratulate the boys who make it to either or both events and wish them well!

GOOD LUCK TO BOTH TEAMS

Any thoughts about Blatant this weekend? Express had a tough go a few weeks ago at Pro Player. Outlaws played well and lost by one to the eventual winners of the tournament. Bergen played in a Long Island tournament and went 3-0. Then there is the 800 lbs Gorilla, I won't even speak their name. I think that winter is coming. All good teams, couple of unknowns. Should be fun to watch, hoping for good weather.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts about Blatant this weekend? Express had a tough go a few weeks ago at Pro Player. Outlaws played well and lost by one to the eventual winners of the tournament. Bergen played in a Long Island tournament and went 3-0. Then there is the 800 lbs Gorilla, I won't even speak their name. I think that winter is coming. All good teams, couple of unknowns. Should be fun to watch, hoping for good weather.

Crickets

How did Blatant Spring Jam go today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did Blatant Spring Jam go today?

Black Ice 3-0
Avalanche 2-0-1
Express 2-1-0
Outlaws Select 2-1-0
Outlaws Gold 1-1-1
Bergen Storm 1-2-0
Wogue 0-3-0
Good day for lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did Blatant Spring Jam go today?

Black Ice 3-0
Avalanche 2-0-1
Express 2-1-0
Outlaws Select 2-1-0
Outlaws Gold 1-1-1
Bergen Storm 1-2-0
Wogue 0-3-0
Good day for lacrosse.

What happened in the finals?

Nothing worse then a big mouth mother on the side lines. brutal. Going to be a a LI g summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did Blatant Spring Jam go today?

Black Ice 3-0
Avalanche 2-0-1
Express 2-1-0
Outlaws Select 2-1-0
Outlaws Gold 1-1-1
Bergen Storm 1-2-0
Wogue 0-3-0
Good day for lacrosse.

What happened in the finals?

Two Brakets, Express beat Avalanche 11-3, Black Ice vs Outlaws Select. Didnt hang around for finals but if I was a betting man I know who I would pick.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing worse then a big mouth mother on the side lines. brutal. Going to be a a LI g summer.

Which game?

Has to be Outlaws select HC. One of the worst I have seen. His poor kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts about Blatant this weekend? Express had a tough go a few weeks ago at Pro Player. Outlaws played well and lost by one to the eventual winners of the tournament. Bergen played in a Long Island tournament and went 3-0. Then there is the 800 lbs Gorilla, I won't even speak their name. I think that winter is coming. All good teams, couple of unknowns. Should be fun to watch, hoping for good weather.

2021 South division

Outlaws Black 3-0
Express 3-0
LI Bengals 2-1
Force 1-2
Brooklyn Crescents 0-3
Hitmen 0-3

Express defeated Outlaws in finals. Great day of Lacrosse. Weather was prefect.

Black ice beat Outlaws select 11-2

Black ice beat Express 9-2 in the finals

Has to be from Express, brutal to listen too. On behalf of the rest of the team, our apologies

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black ice beat Outlaws select 11-2

Black ice beat Express 9-2 in the finals

Was Express missing their two middies that carry the offense?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black ice beat Outlaws select 11-2

Black ice beat Express 9-2 in the finals

Was Express missing their two middies that carry the offense?

NOPE!!

ummm... YES

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ummm... YES

Hope they get better soon. Great players and great kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black ice beat Outlaws select 11-2

Black ice beat Express 9-2 in the finals

Was Express missing their two middies that carry the offense?

Three middies and goalie

Yea, their 9th grade goalie wasn't a bad backfill. Doesn't he play for SA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yea, their 9th grade goalie wasn't a bad backfill. Doesn't he play for SA?

The goalie made almost no difference. The reason being is that most of the games were not played in that end of the field. How many shots did he really see? Could have put a rock in net and Black Ice would have won.

Express had the backfill goalie.

If only Express had the team from a few years back. MC screwed that one up!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If only Express had the team from a few years back. MC screwed that one up!

Really? That Barracuda team was a mess! Revolving door on that team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If only Express had the team from a few years back. MC screwed that one up!

Really? That Barracuda team was a mess! Revolving door on that team.

Much, much better now.

So, word is new ER ban doesn't apply to 2021's until they become PSA's in the Fall.

So, for 2021's, will coaches generally stay at a distance this Summer and hence respect the spirit of the ER ban or will this Summer be a free-for-all?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, word is new ER ban doesn't apply to 2021's until they become PSA's in the Fall.

So, for 2021's, will coaches generally stay at a distance this Summer and hence respect the spirit of the ER ban or will this Summer be a free-for-all?

2021 just committed to OSU. Can't imagine that others won't follow this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, word is new ER ban doesn't apply to 2021's until they become PSA's in the Fall.

So, for 2021's, will coaches generally stay at a distance this Summer and hence respect the spirit of the ER ban or will this Summer be a free-for-all?

2021 just committed to OSU. Can't imagine that others won't follow this summer.

A friend went to UVA and the coaches told him that they could talk to his son up until the end of school and then once he is a rising 9th grader, they can't. They even admitted that it was skirting the rule to talk to an 8th grader at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, word is new ER ban doesn't apply to 2021's until they become PSA's in the Fall.

So, for 2021's, will coaches generally stay at a distance this Summer and hence respect the spirit of the ER ban or will this Summer be a free-for-all?

That makes no sense - colleges would just continue to recruit MS'ers then!

NCAA Bylaw: 13.02.13 Prospective Student-Athlete. A prospective student-athlete is a student who has started classes for the ninth grade. . . . (Revised: 1/11/89, 1/10/90, Adopted: 4/28/05, 1/17/09, 1/19/13 effective 8/1/13)

Can NCAA coaches even coach club lacrosse for PSA's until 9/1 of junior year under new rules? I don't see how. But OSU's head coach can coach a 2021 team, presumably because not PSA's yet. Interestingly, though, I would think a ninth-grade repeat would be a PSA.

Who is attending this weekend's fl$ Spring Shootout?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is attending this weekend's fl$ Spring Shootout?

We will know when they finally put out a schedule

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is attending this weekend's fl$ Spring Shootout?

We will know when they finally put out a schedule

Thanks Mr Attempt to Be Snarky!

Obviously if you're a parent of a boy whose team is going, you already know that, and could chime in - that was the obvious info I was looking for.

How was JDRF? What teams played?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was JDRF? What teams played?

E3
True Blue
Empire
Outlaws

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was JDRF? What teams played?

E3
True Blue
Empire
Outlaws

It seems sad to me that JDRF is no longer a big deal and has gotten eaten up by the lacrosse machine. Its unfortunate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was JDRF? What teams played?

E3
True Blue
Empire
Outlaws

It seems sad to me that JDRF is no longer a big deal and has gotten eaten up by the lacrosse machine. Its unfortunate.

I think it was intentionally smaller this year for a number of reasons, one of which was that it was limited to play at Burns Pk. Which is to say that it may be bigger again next year or thereafter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was JDRF? What teams played?

E3
True Blue
Empire
Outlaws

It seems sad to me that JDRF is no longer a big deal and has gotten eaten up by the lacrosse machine. Its unfortunate.

I think it was intentionally smaller this year for a number of reasons, one of which was that it was limited to play at Burns Pk. Which is to say that it may be bigger again next year or thereafter.

It's a real shame. It was a great tournament when my kid started in Lax, but has become an afterthought.

What outlaws team played?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What outlaws team played?

Gold.

Anyone at the Nassau tryout ? How many kids showed - up? Who evaluated them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone at the Nassau tryout ? How many kids showed - up? Who evaluated them?

Suffolk tryout was a joke. They played 2 games, and picked the kids that they wanted to pick before it started. How can you evaluate players when the teams are so lopsided. One of the games spent 90% of the time on the one side.

Overview on the fl$ Spring Shootout tourney this weekend: between the two pools, the drop off between fl$ Nassau and True Blue versus the rest of the teams was significant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Overview on the fl$ Spring Shootout tourney this weekend: between the two pools, the drop off between fl$ Nassau and True Blue versus the rest of the teams was significant.

FL$ beat the Jesters 7-5. Either team could have won that one. True Blue played a close game against the Express North B team. FL$ beat True Blue in the Championship 7-6. Both True Blue and FL$ played in two close games each. Most teams in any tournament will have a couple of lopsided games. The top 4 teams Jesters, FL$. True Blue, and Express North B were all close in talent or equal.at least for this tournament. It was a nice tournament with some close games. You can't ask for more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Overview on the fl$ Spring Shootout tourney this weekend: between the two pools, the drop off between fl$ Nassau and True Blue versus the rest of the teams was significant.

FL$ beat the Jesters 7-5. Either team could have won that one. True Blue played a close game against the Express North B team. FL$ beat True Blue in the Championship 7-6. Both True Blue and FL$ played in two close games each. Most teams in any tournament will have a couple of lopsided games. The top 4 teams Jesters, FL$. True Blue, and Express North B were all close in talent or equal.at least for this tournament. It was a nice tournament with some close games. You can't ask for more.

The only close game TB played was the final - that Express N game was never close. The final score was the smallest deficit of the game after the half for Express. I didn't see much of Pool 1 play, but how did Zingos go 2 - 1? Their GK was crazy good, but TB beat them in the semis 12 - 4, and without that GK, that score should have been closer to 20 for TB!

How do you not put the Jesters in with TB and FL$? Jesters played fl$ to a 7-5 final score and it was a close game all the way. TB lost to fl$ 7-6. Hardly a big difference. FL$ had a tough time with the Jesters. The game was close the entire time. The fl$ game against TB the outcome was never in doubt except for the last couple of minutes. As for Express North B it is ridiculous to say a 3 or 4 goal difference makes TB much better. You are clearly a TB Parent. We get it. You don't want to be grouped with teams like the Jesters who lost to Recon and other B teams the season. But the Jesters are a good team. No shame in being grouped with them based on talent level. At this point all of us know who the B teams are and who should be playing who. Obviously the directors of all the teams at the fl$ tournament feel the talent of those teams are close to TB because they ALL play only in B tournaments including TB. Nothing wrong with that. Accept what it is. You will have more fun. Good luck this Summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Overview on the fl$ Spring Shootout tourney this weekend: between the two pools, the drop off between fl$ Nassau and True Blue versus the rest of the teams was significant.

FL$ beat the Jesters 7-5. Either team could have won that one. True Blue played a close game against the Express North B team. FL$ beat True Blue in the Championship 7-6. Both True Blue and FL$ played in two close games each. Most teams in any tournament will have a couple of lopsided games. The top 4 teams Jesters, FL$. True Blue, and Express North B were all close in talent or equal.at least for this tournament. It was a nice tournament with some close games. You can't ask for more.

The only close game TB played was the final - that Express N game was never close. The final score was the smallest deficit of the game after the half for Express. I didn't see much of Pool 1 play, but how did Zingos go 2 - 1? Their GK was crazy good, but TB beat them in the semis 12 - 4, and without that GK, that score should have been closer to 20 for TB!

True Blue 2023 has beaten the outlaw select team the last two times by at least 4 goals each time. I do not think they have ever lost to them. They also tied S2S last year and this year have yet to lose a game. They are a top team on long island this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Blue 2023 has beaten the outlaw select team the last two times by at least 4 goals each time. I do not think they have ever lost to them. They also tied S2S last year and this year have yet to lose a game. They are a top team on long island this year.

You should make this argument in the 2023 thread.

So far LI team ranks:
1) black ice
2)blaze
3)express (without all injuries)
4)icon
5)ambush
6)outlaws select
7)greyhound
8)GC34

Opinions?

Have to Drop Icon as they are entered in B at Laxfest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So far LI team ranks:
1) black ice
2)blaze
3)express (without all injuries)
4)icon
5)ambush
6)outlaws select
7)greyhound
8)GC34

Opinions?

Sounds about right based on the fall. I heard that Icon lost their key players to Express. Express has 40 players, they should be able to overcome injuries. GC34 beat Ambush, so that could move them up to 5 or 6

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to Drop Icon as they are entered in B at Laxfest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to Drop Icon as they are entered in B at Laxfest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to Drop Icon as they are entered in B at Laxfest

I thought it was the Icon B team not the A team playing at Laxfest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So far LI team ranks:
1) black ice
2)blaze
3)express (without all injuries)
4)icon
5)ambush
6)outlaws select
7)greyhound
8)GC34

Opinions?

Sounds about right based on the fall. I heard that Icon lost their key players to Express. Express has 40 players, they should be able to overcome injuries. GC34 beat Ambush, so that could move them up to 5 or 6

Will Black Ice and Blaze play each other this year?

Question - Blaze lost twice at NLF to DC Express - where did this team come from - was it something else last year?

Blaze, Black Ice and Outlaws Select all at Naptown next month

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question - Blaze lost twice at NLF to DC Express - where did this team come from - was it something else last year?

Previously know as Bethesda Lacrosse Club. They have always been very good. Looks like they got even better.

Have they joined LI Express or are they still a separate Organization? They were always one of the top 5 in the country. They do have older kids. A couple of 2020 Long Island kids moved there and were put on the 2021 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question - Blaze lost twice at NLF to DC Express - where did this team come from - was it something else last year?

Previously know as Bethesda Lacrosse Club. They have always been very good. Looks like they got even better.

Express will be there too.

Originally Posted by shallowhal

Blaze, Black Ice and Outlaws Select all at Naptown next month

DC Express has all older kids, GC34 vs. Ambush, Ambush has won 2/3 all close games, last game ambush cannot get out of its own way and DC Express is part of LI Express now..Icon b at ****

It's tough to put Ambush that high. They never play AA Tournaments. They mostly play A/B teams. It's hard to access their talent.

I have to agree, but so far they have played four AA teams and they are 2 wins and 2 losses against. Friends' son on the team. I would like to c them play express and icon. Express avoided them in Spring jam, when they were facing each other. They asked for schedule change.

They r not allowed by the organization most of the time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's tough to put Ambush that high. They never play AA Tournaments. They mostly play A/B teams. It's hard to access their talent.

Ambush plays mostly B plus, B and C teams. It is rare that they play A or AA. A once in a while victory over an A minus or A team is not enough to place them in the top 8. Legacy always beats them. GC is playing B at Lax plus fest which this year the A division is mostly B teams and the B division is mostly C teams. So GC is eliminated from the list all together even If they beat Ambush one time. If Ambush played better teams more often They would do very well. But that is speculation. You can't place them high for beating the one or two A teams when we don't know how they would do against the rest of the best team.

GC34 doesnt play in A or AA ever and only goes to second rate tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's tough to put Ambush that high. They never play AA Tournaments. They mostly play A/B teams. It's hard to access their talent.

Ambush plays mostly B plus, B and C teams. It is rare that they play A or AA. A once in a while victory over an A minus or A team is not enough to place them in the top 8. Legacy always beats them. GC is playing B at Lax plus fest which this year the A division is mostly B teams and the B division is mostly C teams. So GC is eliminated from the list all together even If they beat Ambush one time. If Ambush played better teams more often They would do very well. But that is speculation. You can't place them high for beating the one or two A teams when we don't know how they would do against the rest of the best team.

Ambush plays tight with Outlaws Select. They are split with them right now for the past year, so they need to be in the mix. Outside of Express, Blaze and Black Ice, who would be considered A?

Originally Posted by shallowhal

Blaze, Black Ice and Outlaws Select all at Naptown next month

Just a personal opinion but I don't think Outlaws Select is in the same realm as Blaze and B-Ice. Good team fun to watch, A team yes but not same level.

Icon. Also Out of state A teams that Ambush never plays. I personally think Ambush is an A team. They have a little bad luck that the A team of the club is one of the best in the country so they get put in B tournaments out of state. Having said that the proper place for them is number 7 on Long Island. Are they in the mix? Of course. No one is saying they are not. They are without a doubt ahead of GC despite the loss. They just need an out of state resume to move up the list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by shallowhal

Blaze, Black Ice and Outlaws Select all at Naptown next month

Just a personal opinion but I don't think Outlaws Select is in the same realm as Blaze and B-Ice. Good team fun to watch, A team yes but not same level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's tough to put Ambush that high. They never play AA Tournaments. They mostly play A/B teams. It's hard to access their talent.

Ambush plays mostly B plus, B and C teams. It is rare that they play A or AA. A once in a while victory over an A minus or A team is not enough to place them in the top 8. Legacy always beats them. GC is playing B at Lax plus fest which this year the A division is mostly B teams and the B division is mostly C teams. So GC is eliminated from the list all together even If they beat Ambush one time. If Ambush played better teams more often They would do very well. But that is speculation. You can't place them high for beating the one or two A teams when we don't know how they would do against the rest of the best team.

Ambush plays tight with Outlaws Select. They are split with them right now for the past year, so they need to be in the mix. Outside of Express, Blaze and Black Ice, who would be considered A?

It is amazing how lax and fest tournament has turned into a B and C division event for 2021. No A or AA division. GC plaing against C teams is a disgrace. None of the best or even better teams are going.

Sorry to burst bubbles. DC Express is not all older kids - there are 4 kids who by their summer birthdate should be in class of 2020, but started school late - not reclassed or repeat / just for clarification - so yes / they have those older boys - no denying that.

There are also NO former LIE 2020 players on team that is just a made up statement.

It is same core Bethesda Team that has been together since 3rd grade - adding pieces each year.

This year biggest add being a real goalie - never had before.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to burst bubbles. DC Express is not all older kids - there are 4 kids who by their summer birthdate should be in class of 2020, but started school late - not reclassed or repeat / just for clarification - so yes / they have those older boys - no denying that.

There are also NO former LIE 2020 players on team that is just a made up statement.

It is same core Bethesda Team that has been together since 3rd grade - adding pieces each year.

This year biggest add being a real goalie - never had before.

So, what you're saying is that DCE is bucking the whole mid Atlantic trends, and they're the only team down there that isn't loading up on older boys??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question - Blaze lost twice at NLF to DC Express - where did this team come from - was it something else last year?

Blaze has a few injuries to Middies that they are having to overcome. They usually start slow to begin with, so this has put a hamper on them.

Any talk about the coaching carousel this summer? Heard some HS Coaches will be making moves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to burst bubbles. DC Express is not all older kids - there are 4 kids who by their summer birthdate should be in class of 2020, but started school late - not reclassed or repeat / just for clarification - so yes / they have those older boys - no denying that.

There are also NO former LIE 2020 players on team that is just a made up statement.

It is same core Bethesda Team that has been together since 3rd grade - adding pieces each year.

This year biggest add being a real goalie - never had before.

Two 2020 Long Island kids is a true statement. I won't single a kid out but came from the North Shore of Long Island. You may not know it but it is 100 percent true. No reason to make something like that up.

Sorry - Not on DCE 2021 Black - wrong team. If were true - not a big deal - just not true - all kids are from Bethesda, Potomac, Olney, Annapolis - Originally and Currently.

Not saying the kids still live on Long Island. They lived on Long Island and moved to Maryland. The school in Maryland moved the kids from 2020 to 2021. Not saying it was done for lax. I saw one mom at a tournament and knew her and spoke with her. Surprised me the kid was moved to 2021. It is that simple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to burst bubbles. DC Express is not all older kids - there are 4 kids who by their summer birthdate should be in class of 2020, but started school late - not reclassed or repeat / just for clarification - so yes / they have those older boys - no denying that.

There are also NO former LIE 2020 players on team that is just a made up statement.

It is same core Bethesda Team that has been together since 3rd grade - adding pieces each year.

This year biggest add being a real goalie - never had before.

Two 2020 Long Island kids is a true statement. I won't single a kid out but came from the North Shore of Long Island. You may not know it but it is 100 percent true. No reason to make something like that up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry - Not on DCE 2021 Black - wrong team. If were true - not a big deal - just not true - all kids are from Bethesda, Potomac, Olney, Annapolis - Originally and Currently.

nope. didn't happen.

Just curios, any coaches watching 2021 games this summer? My son is 2020 and I can say there are some coaches on the sidelines but not nearly as many as last summer for sure

rules have changed, better read up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

rules have changed, better read up.

Rules have changed no doubt. Now it remains to be seen how many coaches will honor the rule or recruit through a third party, i.e. Club coach/director, school coach.

This is why the rule, while needed didn't go far enough.

My bet is the honor system will go,out the window with the next round of recruited 20's and 21's. Once one coach does it, they may all be compelled to do it.

More importantly, USL and tournaments should clean up 16 year olds playing in 2021 divisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

rules have changed, better read up.

Rules have changed no doubt. Now it remains to be seen how many coaches will honor the rule or recruit through a third party, i.e. Club coach/director, school coach.

This is why the rule, while needed didn't go far enough.

My bet is the honor system will go,out the window with the next round of recruited 20's and 21's. Once one coach does it, they may all be compelled to do it.

More importantly, USL and tournaments should clean up 16 year olds playing in 2021 divisions.

Personally, I would be very careful (on the athlete end) of being "recruited" illegally, because if it gets out that coaches are trying to get around the rules, not only is the coach/program going to be held accountable, so will the student athlete. Face it, the rule has totally changed the game and for the better for sure.

Ambush pulls out a great win at LaxFest A bracket against a very good Lime Green team. Great game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question - Blaze lost twice at NLF to DC Express - where did this team come from - was it something else last year?

Blaze has a few injuries to Middies that they are having to overcome. They usually start slow to begin with, so this has put a hamper on them.

Doesn't matter with injuries or not. Blaze is done. Just another avg to good team in the tournaments they are in. No chemistry and the team has been ruined.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question - Blaze lost twice at NLF to DC Express - where did this team come from - was it something else last year?

Blaze has a few injuries to Middies that they are having to overcome. They usually start slow to begin with, so this has put a hamper on them.

Doesn't matter with injuries or not. Blaze is done. Just another avg to good team in the tournaments they are in. No chemistry and the team has been ruined.

I remember hearing the same thing last summer, and they ended up cleaning up and were untouchable.

Once again Ambush playing B/C Talent and letting everyone know!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once again Ambush playing B/C Talent and letting everyone know!

Ok, so outside of Blaze, Express Channy and Black Ice, who is A genius?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once again Ambush playing B/C Talent and letting everyone know!

Sour grapes, won the A Bracket..........
Win is a win unlike you who is a LOOOOOOOSER.

It's Express Schreiber loser! That's what happens when you're stuck playing C talent! You're not up with current events with the elite teams!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's Express Schreiber loser! That's what happens when you're stuck playing C talent! You're not up with current events with the elite teams!

Another 'elitist' lax idiot. As far you're concerned, if you're not in the top few programs, everyone else is C and basically shouldn't bother playing at all. Clue: like everything in the real world, there are lots of shades of grey. You elitist guys must be loads of fun to be around in general.

OH NO, NOT EXPRESS SCHREIBER!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once again Ambush playing B/C Talent and letting everyone know!

Close game in Championship against a B team but Ambush did win. So congratulations to them. It does not matter what people write here or what the lacrosse world thinks of them. Playing B teams is where the coach and director of the organization think that is where the team should play. All the rest of the talk in nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once again Ambush playing B/C Talent and letting everyone know!

Ok, so outside of Blaze, Express Channy and Black Ice, who is A genius?

Out of state A teams are all over the place. The list is long. In the fall ambush traveled out of state to play B and C teams. Long Island is not the only place to play A teams.

Garden City going into the B bracket is what B teams do. A teams play in the A bracket and play the teams there and win. Ambush is doing what it can do improve. They had players who played for their HS that day too and they still pulled it out. 6-8 games in one day is a lot of lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Garden City going into the B bracket is what B teams do. A teams play in the A bracket and play the teams there and win. Ambush is doing what it can do improve. They had players who played for their HS that day too and they still pulled it out. 6-8 games in one day is a lot of lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Garden City going into the B bracket is what B teams do. A teams play in the A bracket and play the teams there and win. Ambush is doing what it can do improve. They had players who played for their HS that day too and they still pulled it out. 6-8 games in one day is a lot of lax.

No. B teams play in B tournaments except for charity. Ambush only plays in B tournaments. Ask your director why Ambush does not play where Blaze does. Again the director thinks this is a B level team and they play in B level tournaments. End of story. Can't argue with that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Garden City going into the B bracket is what B teams do. A teams play in the A bracket and play the teams there and win. Ambush is doing what it can do improve. They had players who played for their HS that day too and they still pulled it out. 6-8 games in one day is a lot of lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Garden City going into the B bracket is what B teams do. A teams play in the A bracket and play the teams there and win. Ambush is doing what it can do improve. They had players who played for their HS that day too and they still pulled it out. 6-8 games in one day is a lot of lax.

No. B teams play in B tournaments except for charity. Ambush only plays in B tournaments. Ask your director why Ambush does not play where Blaze does. Again the director thinks this is a B level team and they play in B level tournaments. End of story. Can't argue with that.

They don't want Ambush and Blaze to play each other in a championship, that is why. The coach of Ambush picked the tournaments this year. They are going to some really good ones. Since when is the LI Lax Fest a B Tournament? Blatant is, and so are so many others. Ambush is not on the same level as Blaze, but where is Avalanche this year? What about Black Ice? Haven't heard from either of them.

Ambush is going to young guns and are in the B division and are playing against the fighting ducks, jesters, messa b team and other terrible b/c teams. They are staying clear of good teams. They had a chance to play in the top division but chose to play terrible b/c teams. At NLF the bet is they will play b division. Shore point is a b /c tournament. So taking your post claiming that B teams play in the B bracket and A teams play in the A bracket how do you explain young guns where ambush will be playing b division and nlf where they will play b divison. By your own definition ambush is a b team playing in the b division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is going to young guns and are in the B division and are playing against the fighting ducks, jesters, messa b team and other terrible b/c teams. They are staying clear of good teams. They had a chance to play in the top division but chose to play terrible b/c teams. At NLF the bet is they will play b division. Shore point is a b /c tournament. So taking your post claiming that B teams play in the B bracket and A teams play in the A bracket how do you explain young guns where ambush will be playing b division and nlf where they will play b division. By your own definition ambush is a b team playing in the b division.

Look who is talking out of their A$$. There is no AA bracket for 2021 Young Guns. Ambush signed up for this tournament back in February/March. Name the tournaments that they should be playing in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question - Blaze lost twice at NLF to DC Express - where did this team come from - was it something else last year?

Blaze has a few injuries to Middies that they are having to overcome. They usually start slow to begin with, so this has put a hamper on them.

Doesn't matter with injuries or not. Blaze is done. Just another avg to good team in the tournaments they are in. No chemistry and the team has been ruined.

I remember hearing the same thing last summer, and they ended up cleaning up and were untouchable.

Untouchable? You mean 2 tourney wins - at NLF and NXT last year where the 3 hardest teams were Laxachsetts and Eclipse and Mesa? BI and so many others weren't even there. Keep telling yourself that....good luck at Crabfeast this year and Naptown, where you have a lot more quality teams this year...NLF in July will have a smaller pool of teams so may place higher. Look at all the scores this past wknd. At the IMLCA adidas tourney in PA this past wknd and Big 4 touney...so many close games. Team Carolina even lost 2 games this wknd. Blaze lost 3 already. As said earlier, just a good team that will make it to playoffs probably in all tourneys this year but not win any. Nothing special and no chemistry especially with the talent on the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is going to young guns and are in the B division and are playing against the fighting ducks, jesters, messa b team and other terrible b/c teams. They are staying clear of good teams. They had a chance to play in the top division but chose to play terrible b/c teams. At NLF the bet is they will play b division. Shore point is a b /c tournament. So taking your post claiming that B teams play in the B bracket and A teams play in the A bracket how do you explain young guns where ambush will be playing b division and nlf where they will play b division. By your own definition ambush is a b team playing in the b division.

Look who is talking out of their A$$. There is no AA bracket for 2021 Young Guns. Ambush signed up for this tournament back in February/March. Name the tournaments that they should be playing in.

No wonder you think ambush is good. Just because a division is called "A" it does not mean "A" teams play in it. Enjoy the win when you play the fighting ducks in the playoffs. Why is it that ambush is ALWAYS in the weak tournament or weak division? Always by mistake or by accident. The mistake or accident never results in ambush playing good teams. Always and angle. Your director knows ambush is a b team but tells you they are in the best tournaments. Good luck this year. You will never understand because you ignore facts and believe what you want to believe.

Ambush parents can't name one A team the team played and beat THIS season. Playing good teams or A teams last year or the two or three years before does not figure in on what an A team is THIS year. So not having played any A teams THIS season including the Fall eliminates Ambush parents claiming A status. Blaze has different issues. Blaze has not been full strength this Spring. My bet is they will be the best with Igloo when it is all said and done. Remember kids are getting older. Teams will beat each other more often. The more a team plays the more of a chance for an occasional loss. Blaze plays more than Igloo and that is why they will be considered the best by the end of the season even with a couple of losses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is going to young guns and are in the B division and are playing against the fighting ducks, jesters, messa b team and other terrible b/c teams. They are staying clear of good teams. They had a chance to play in the top division but chose to play terrible b/c teams. At NLF the bet is they will play b division. Shore point is a b /c tournament. So taking your post claiming that B teams play in the B bracket and A teams play in the A bracket how do you explain young guns where ambush will be playing b division and nlf where they will play b division. By your own definition ambush is a b team playing in the b division.

Look who is talking out of their A$$. There is no AA bracket for 2021 Young Guns. Ambush signed up for this tournament back in February/March. Name the tournaments that they should be playing in.

No wonder you think ambush is good. Just because a division is called "A" it does not mean "A" teams play in it. Enjoy the win when you play the fighting ducks in the playoffs. Why is it that ambush is ALWAYS in the weak tournament or weak division? Always by mistake or by accident. The mistake or accident never results in ambush playing good teams. Always and angle. Your director knows ambush is a b team but tells you they are in the best tournaments. Good luck this year. You will never understand because you ignore facts and believe what you want to believe.

Ok parents, please do not respond to the above post. This is clearly a child writing on this page. Let's keep it civil people. What is the bottom line? The kids who play on Ambush enjoy playing on the team and they are pretty good. I mean heck they just won the A bracket at Lax$est........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is going to young guns and are in the B division and are playing against the fighting ducks, jesters, messa b team and other terrible b/c teams. They are staying clear of good teams. They had a chance to play in the top division but chose to play terrible b/c teams. At NLF the bet is they will play b division. Shore point is a b /c tournament. So taking your post claiming that B teams play in the B bracket and A teams play in the A bracket how do you explain young guns where ambush will be playing b division and nlf where they will play b division. By your own definition ambush is a b team playing in the b division.

Look who is talking out of their A$$. There is no AA bracket for 2021 Young Guns. Ambush signed up for this tournament back in February/March. Name the tournaments that they should be playing in.

No wonder you think ambush is good. Just because a division is called "A" it does not mean "A" teams play in it. Enjoy the win when you play the fighting ducks in the playoffs. Why is it that ambush is ALWAYS in the weak tournament or weak division? Always by mistake or by accident. The mistake or accident never results in ambush playing good teams. Always and angle. Your director knows ambush is a b team but tells you they are in the best tournaments. Good luck this year. You will never understand because you ignore facts and believe what you want to believe.

Ok parents, please do not respond to the above post. This is clearly a child writing on this page. Let's keep it civil people. What is the bottom line? The kids who play on Ambush enjoy playing on the team and they are pretty good. I mean heck they just won the A bracket at Lax$est........

Are you joking? The A bracket with only B teams in it. Ambush has not played an A team this year so stop coming on here claiming to be an A team. The only ones who think Ambush is an A team are Ambush parents. People will stop responding when you stop posting how good Ambush is. The best response is to play an A team. But your director and coach won't let that happen for some reason. Ask yourself why.

Why would I be joking. Answer me this, did Ambush win a couple of tournaments registered in the A bracket? Answer is umm, yes. Are you the authority on who is an A team and who is not? Who makes this list of A teams? Do I have to win in a A bracket? That part is done. What about the teams that constantly lose in your so called elitist A tournaments? Are they A teams? I don't think that Ambush can beat Blaze, Black Ice or Express (Schriber/Channy or the other 9 million coaches they had). Do I think they can compete in your elitist "A" tournaments? Yup I do. Plus let's face facts, they have won A brackets before.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would I be joking. Answer me this, did Ambush win a couple of tournaments registered in the A bracket? Answer is umm, yes. Are you the authority on who is an A team and who is not? Who makes this list of A teams? Do I have to win in a A bracket? That part is done. What about the teams that constantly lose in your so called elitist A tournaments? Are they A teams? I don't think that Ambush can beat Blaze, Black Ice or Express (Schriber/Channy or the other 9 million coaches they had). Do I think they can compete in your elitist "A" tournaments? Yup I do. Plus let's face facts, they have won A brackets before.

Your post proves everyone's point. You say you " think " Ambbush can competete with A teams. That shows you know they have not played A teams this year. As for winning A brackets again just because a bracket is called A it does not Mean A teams are playing in it. Empire is not an A team. They made the championship. I will give you the last word because this is going in circles but until they play A teams not B teams playing in A bracket called A you can't show they can compete with out speculating. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curios, any coaches watching 2021 games this summer? My son is 2020 and I can say there are some coaches on the sidelines but not nearly as many as last summer for sure

New game in town for recruiting. The NCAA just came out with some more clarification about talking to club coaches , FORBIDDEN until 11th grade. Dont believe what some coaches are saying about college watching 8th graders and how they will become all important for youth and recruiting. Not going to happen. Club coaches and HS coaches will be important in 9 and10th grades for recruiting,

The supposed guru of ER Ty Xanders said that College Coaches are way down on 2020 and non existent on 2021 this summer. That is good for game.

Your HS team and HS club team will become the times to get recruited in the future. 10th grade will become the big year.

The days of college coaches on sidelines at 8th grade and below youth games and tournament is finished.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would I be joking. Answer me this, did Ambush win a couple of tournaments registered in the A bracket? Answer is umm, yes. Are you the authority on who is an A team and who is not? Who makes this list of A teams? Do I have to win in a A bracket? That part is done. What about the teams that constantly lose in your so called elitist A tournaments? Are they A teams? I don't think that Ambush can beat Blaze, Black Ice or Express (Schriber/Channy or the other 9 million coaches they had). Do I think they can compete in your elitist "A" tournaments? Yup I do. Plus let's face facts, they have won A brackets before.

Your post proves everyone's point. You say you " think " Ambbush can competete with A teams. That shows you know they have not played A teams this year. As for winning A brackets again just because a bracket is called A it does not Mean A teams are playing in it. Empire is not an A team. They made the championship. I will give you the last word because this is going in circles but until they play A teams not B teams playing in A bracket called A you can't show they can compete with out speculating. Good luck.

Psychoanalyzing my entire post based on one word. Ok, my turn:

Your use of the word "everybody", indicates you think every person thinks the way you do=Narcissist
Your miss spelling of the word Ambush indicates the lack of attention to detail.
The capitalization of M in the word mean goes directly to the type of personality you have.
The fact that you attempt to give me permission to have the last word indicates control issues.
And finally, the senseless bashing of yet another non "A" team.
HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES. Quote from one of my A list actors, I think anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would I be joking. Answer me this, did Ambush win a couple of tournaments registered in the A bracket? Answer is umm, yes. Are you the authority on who is an A team and who is not? Who makes this list of A teams? Do I have to win in a A bracket? That part is done. What about the teams that constantly lose in your so called elitist A tournaments? Are they A teams? I don't think that Ambush can beat Blaze, Black Ice or Express (Schriber/Channy or the other 9 million coaches they had). Do I think they can compete in your elitist "A" tournaments? Yup I do. Plus let's face facts, they have won A brackets before.

Your post proves everyone's point. You say you " think " Ambbush can competete with A teams. That shows you know they have not played A teams this year. As for winning A brackets again just because a bracket is called A it does not Mean A teams are playing in it. Empire is not an A team. They made the championship. I will give you the last word because this is going in circles but until they play A teams not B teams playing in A bracket called A you can't show they can compete with out speculating. Good luck.

Psychoanalyzing my entire post based on one word. Ok, my turn:

Your use of the word "everybody", indicates you think every person thinks the way you do=Narcissist
Your miss spelling of the word Ambush indicates the lack of attention to detail.
The capitalization of M in the word mean goes directly to the type of personality you have.
The fact that you attempt to give me permission to have the last word indicates control issues.
And finally, the senseless bashing of yet another non "A" team.
HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES. Quote from one of my A list actors, I think anyway.

I don't have a dog in this hunt, but it's ironic that you misspelled the word "miss spelling" in a critique about spelling. Don't get upset. Just laugh it off. It's funny!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would I be joking. Answer me this, did Ambush win a couple of tournaments registered in the A bracket? Answer is umm, yes. Are you the authority on who is an A team and who is not? Who makes this list of A teams? Do I have to win in a A bracket? That part is done. What about the teams that constantly lose in your so called elitist A tournaments? Are they A teams? I don't think that Ambush can beat Blaze, Black Ice or Express (Schriber/Channy or the other 9 million coaches they had). Do I think they can compete in your elitist "A" tournaments? Yup I do. Plus let's face facts, they have won A brackets before.

Your post proves everyone's point. You say you " think " Ambbush can competete with A teams. That shows you know they have not played A teams this year. As for winning A brackets again just because a bracket is called A it does not Mean A teams are playing in it. Empire is not an A team. They made the championship. I will give you the last word because this is going in circles but until they play A teams not B teams playing in A bracket called A you can't show they can compete with out speculating. Good luck.

Sounds like your kid got cut.so much hatred.seems like jealousy. Don't worry the outlaws are always looking for leftovers

Please ambush play a top team and compete, until you do shut the f"ck up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would I be joking. Answer me this, did Ambush win a couple of tournaments registered in the A bracket? Answer is umm, yes. Are you the authority on who is an A team and who is not? Who makes this list of A teams? Do I have to win in a A bracket? That part is done. What about the teams that constantly lose in your so called elitist A tournaments? Are they A teams? I don't think that Ambush can beat Blaze, Black Ice or Express (Schriber/Channy or the other 9 million coaches they had). Do I think they can compete in your elitist "A" tournaments? Yup I do. Plus let's face facts, they have won A brackets before.

Your post proves everyone's point. You say you " think " Ambbush can competete with A teams. That shows you know they have not played A teams this year. As for winning A brackets again just because a bracket is called A it does not Mean A teams are playing in it. Empire is not an A team. They made the championship. I will give you the last word because this is going in circles but until they play A teams not B teams playing in A bracket called A you can't show they can compete with out speculating. Good luck.

Sounds like your kid got cut.so much hatred.seems like jealousy. Don't worry the outlaws are always looking for leftovers

Can't win an argument so go to the old your kid got cut. Got to love it. Still waiting to hear about an A team Ambush played this year. Don't worry maybe next year your director will think you can compete against A teams and let your kid play against good players. He probably thinks your kid will get hurt playing the big boys. See you next year in AA if you have the guts to show up.

You two should just meet somewhere. Whip them out and see who's is bigger. Enough already!

People are just tired of hearing how great Ambush is every year. Each year the best players leave if someone will take them. Could be dealing with these parents. Just shut up and let the kids play. If they are good people will see that. You are not convincing anyone here announcing wins over sub par team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is going to young guns and are in the B division and are playing against the fighting ducks, jesters, messa b team and other terrible b/c teams. They are staying clear of good teams. They had a chance to play in the top division but chose to play terrible b/c teams. At NLF the bet is they will play b division. Shore point is a b /c tournament. So taking your post claiming that B teams play in the B bracket and A teams play in the A bracket how do you explain young guns where ambush will be playing b division and nlf where they will play b division. By your own definition ambush is a b team playing in the b division.

Look who is talking out of their A$$. There is no AA bracket for 2021 Young Guns. Ambush signed up for this tournament back in February/March. Name the tournaments that they should be playing in.

No wonder you think ambush is good. Just because a division is called "A" it does not mean "A" teams play in it. Enjoy the win when you play the fighting ducks in the playoffs. Why is it that ambush is ALWAYS in the weak tournament or weak division? Always by mistake or by accident. The mistake or accident never results in ambush playing good teams. Always and angle. Your director knows ambush is a b team but tells you they are in the best tournaments. Good luck this year. You will never understand because you ignore facts and believe what you want to believe.

Ok parents, please do not respond to the above post. This is clearly a child writing on this page. Let's keep it civil people. What is the bottom line? The kids who play on Ambush enjoy playing on the team and they are pretty good. I mean heck they just won the A bracket at Lax$est........

Are you joking? The A bracket with only B teams in it. Ambush has not played an A team this year so stop coming on here claiming to be an A team. The only ones who think Ambush is an A team are Ambush parents. People will stop responding when you stop posting how good Ambush is. The best response is to play an A team. But your director and coach won't let that happen for some reason. Ask yourself why.

Outlaws Select is now not an A team? Ambush beat them in the Spring, minus a few players. And it wasn't even close. Unless Ambush Beats Black Ice or Express, nobody will think they are an A team. They are not AA, and would have a hard time beating teams of that level, but can run with most if not all A teams. Until Ambush beat Empire, everyone thought of them as an A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People are just tired of hearing how great Ambush is every year. Each year the best players leave if someone will take them. Could be dealing with these parents. Just shut up and let the kids play. If they are good people will see that. You are not convincing anyone here announcing wins over sub par team.

Middlesex Bears, Wogue. LI Empire.....really?????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would I be joking. Answer me this, did Ambush win a couple of tournaments registered in the A bracket? Answer is umm, yes. Are you the authority on who is an A team and who is not? Who makes this list of A teams? Do I have to win in a A bracket? That part is done. What about the teams that constantly lose in your so called elitist A tournaments? Are they A teams? I don't think that Ambush can beat Blaze, Black Ice or Express (Schriber/Channy or the other 9 million coaches they had). Do I think they can compete in your elitist "A" tournaments? Yup I do. Plus let's face facts, they have won A brackets before.

Your post proves everyone's point. You say you " think " Ambbush can competete with A teams. That shows you know they have not played A teams this year. As for winning A brackets again just because a bracket is called A it does not Mean A teams are playing in it. Empire is not an A team. They made the championship. I will give you the last word because this is going in circles but until they play A teams not B teams playing in A bracket called A you can't show they can compete with out speculating. Good luck.

Psychoanalyzing my entire post based on one word. Ok, my turn:

Your use of the word "everybody", indicates you think every person thinks the way you do=Narcissist
Your miss spelling of the word Ambush indicates the lack of attention to detail.
The capitalization of M in the word mean goes directly to the type of personality you have.
The fact that you attempt to give me permission to have the last word indicates control issues.
And finally, the senseless bashing of yet another non "A" team.
HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES. Quote from one of my A list actors, I think anyway.

I don't have a dog in this hunt, but it's ironic that you misspelled the word "miss spelling" in a critique about spelling. Don't get upset. Just laugh it off. It's funny!!

LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People are just tired of hearing how great Ambush is every year. Each year the best players leave if someone will take them. Could be dealing with these parents. Just shut up and let the kids play. If they are good people will see that. You are not convincing anyone here announcing wins over sub par team.

Nobody is saying Ambush is great. Just that they are a solid team that can win. Will they win all of the time? Nope. Are they the best team outside of Black Ice, Blaze and Express Schrieber? Not proven yet.

Have they beat Outlaws, Avalanche, and some top teams out of NY? Yep. Have they lost to teams they should have beat? Yep.

The best players leave? The two who you may consider the best were asked not to come back quietly and are now sitting the sidelines of Schrieber.

It is amazing how people can't give a team credit for whatever reason. The parents have a great time together on Ambush, and the boys want to play together. Some have been made offers to go elsewhere, but are happy right where they are. Enough already. Ambush isn't the best team out there. Ok, feel better?

Great Job Ambush winning Laxfest this past weekend. Good luck this coming weekend in New Jersey. Remember Tryouts are coming up soon. Instead of spreading the Hate, Tryout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush is going to young guns and are in the B division and are playing against the fighting ducks, jesters, messa b team and other terrible b/c teams. They are staying clear of good teams. They had a chance to play in the top division but chose to play terrible b/c teams. At NLF the bet is they will play b division. Shore point is a b /c tournament. So taking your post claiming that B teams play in the B bracket and A teams play in the A bracket how do you explain young guns where ambush will be playing b division and nlf where they will play b division. By your own definition ambush is a b team playing in the b division.

Look who is talking out of their A$$. There is no AA bracket for 2021 Young Guns. Ambush signed up for this tournament back in February/March. Name the tournaments that they should be playing in.

No wonder you think ambush is good. Just because a division is called "A" it does not mean "A" teams play in it. Enjoy the win when you play the fighting ducks in the playoffs. Why is it that ambush is ALWAYS in the weak tournament or weak division? Always by mistake or by accident. The mistake or accident never results in ambush playing good teams. Always and angle. Your director knows ambush is a b team but tells you they are in the best tournaments. Good luck this year. You will never understand because you ignore facts and believe what you want to believe.

Ok parents, please do not respond to the above post. This is clearly a child writing on this page. Let's keep it civil people. What is the bottom line? The kids who play on Ambush enjoy playing on the team and they are pretty good. I mean heck they just won the A bracket at Lax$est........

Are you joking? The A bracket with only B teams in it. Ambush has not played an A team this year so stop coming on here claiming to be an A team. The only ones who think Ambush is an A team are Ambush parents. People will stop responding when you stop posting how good Ambush is. The best response is to play an A team. But your director and coach won't let that happen for some reason. Ask yourself why.

Outlaws Select is now not an A team? Ambush beat them in the Spring, minus a few players. And it wasn't even close. Unless Ambush Beats Black Ice or Express, nobody will think they are an A team. They are not AA, and would have a hard time beating teams of that level, but can run with most if not all A teams. Until Ambush beat Empire, everyone thought of them as an A team.

1/2 the 'A' Team and 1/2 the 'B' Team played in that game for Outlaws(Mixed Nuts)......

Ambush has never beat the Outlaws. They played once last year and the Outlaws won 9-1. Ambush beat a team called Mixed Nuts by one goal. That team had about 7 Select players and only a few starters. Ambush did not ask the two best players from last year to leave. They left to go to a better team and they do play. How dare you make that stuff up that they were asked to leave. Those players were by far the most talented players and have not been replaced. Ambush is much weaker this year which explains the weak tournaments. If you want to play the Outlaws,Express or any other good team your coach knows how to get that done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People are just tired of hearing how great Ambush is every year. Each year the best players leave if someone will take them. Could be dealing with these parents. Just shut up and let the kids play. If they are good people will see that. You are not convincing anyone here announcing wins over sub par team.

Middlesex Bears, Wogue. LI Empire.....really?????

You finally see it. Ambush beat them all. Don't forget this past weekend had such great competition that GC and Icon had to play in the B bracket. Ambush played A. Based on this here are the rankings:

Blaze
Black Ice
Express
Ambush
GC
Icon
legacy
Empire
Outlaws
Avalanche

It is too funny how stupid people come on this board year after year rank Blaze no.1. Blaze has not beat Black Ice since a pool play game 4 years ago - black ice beat them in championship. And yes Year over year they play each other at least once. Blaze w their 4 crush kids lost last year to Black Ice by at least 5 goals. So to the Blaze parent or the kook-aid drinking follower - be realistic.

Black Ice would kill Blaze.

Crabfest this weekend. Any predictions? I have to go with Igloo. Are those injured players back for Blaze? If yes they are going to be tough too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is too funny how stupid people come on this board year after year rank Blaze no.1. Blaze has not beat Black Ice since a pool play game 4 years ago - black ice beat them in championship. And yes Year over year they play each other at least once. Blaze w their 4 crush kids lost last year to Black Ice by at least 5 goals. So to the Blaze parent or the kook-aid drinking follower - be realistic.

An ambush parent made this list so why wouldn't they place blaze at the top?

Any given day any team may or may not beat each other. So what. All teams listed are very good teams, some better then others, again, who cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black Ice would kill Blaze.

That list is an obvious joke. Who would place Ambush number 4? It says it is based on Ambush beating Middlesex Bears, Wogue and LI Empire . Only an Ambush parent would even put them on the list. When ranking teams head to head is very important but is not the only factor. Play against other teams is also a major factor. Last year Blaze came on strong at the end. This year Igloo seems to be stronger. More information will be available after this weekend. I for one always want the Long Island teams to win even if we have to hear about it from Blaze and Ambush parents on this board. But remember it is so hard to rank when not all teams brag about wins and those that do brag conceal loses. Only two teams announce wins here but never announce loses. So we never know if other teams win. The best teams that are the ones that never announce wins or championships won on this board. So it is hard to factor in the teams who's parents don't brag here and these teams are all teams from Igloo, Icon, Express, Outlaws, Legacy, Empire and F plus L plus G. These teams don't brag even though they could. It is a 88 plus 3 thing to announce all wins (not always accurate) and never report a loss. You know what they say about people who brag. Those people tend to have little to no confidence in what they are bragging about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black Ice would kill Blaze.

That list is an obvious joke. Who would place Ambush number 4? It says it is based on Ambush beating Middlesex Bears, Wogue and LI Empire . Only an Ambush parent would even put them on the list. When ranking teams head to head is very important but is not the only factor. Play against other teams is also a major factor. Last year Blaze came on strong at the end. This year Igloo seems to be stronger. More information will be available after this weekend. I for one always want the Long Island teams to win even if we have to hear about it from Blaze and Ambush parents on this board. But remember it is so hard to rank when not all teams brag about wins and those that do brag conceal loses. Only two teams announce wins here but never announce loses. So we never know if other teams win. The best teams that are the ones that never announce wins or championships won on this board. So it is hard to factor in the teams who's parents don't brag here and these teams are all teams from Igloo, Icon, Express, Outlaws, Legacy, Empire and F plus L plus G. These teams don't brag even though they could. It is a 88 plus 3 thing to announce all wins (not always accurate) and never report a loss. You know what they say about people who brag. Those people tend to have little to no confidence in what they are bragging about.

I am an Ambush parents. Do you know what we talk about out every tournament? We all ask who the former Ambush parent could be that pokes this hornet's nest all the time.

But then we already know who She is...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But then we already know who She is...

Well if someone is posting inside info you should be able to figure out who it is. But I don't see info only an Ambush patrent would know. Just move on at this point. This topic has been talked about way too much and no one is changing anyone's mind here.

I would understand if the kids were posting on this, because this is child like behavior. But these are post from parents!!!!! Really. I am sorry but I was not aware that parents play for any of these teams. To put up these posts not mention your name and assume that you know everything about every team on the East Coast is unreal. How about the fact that your lucky enough that your child plays lacrosse and enjoys it. How about your lucky enough that your child is on a team with a bunch of really nice kids. How about you child is enjoying himself and getting better at the game. How about your lucky enough to travel all summer to watch your child play lacrosse.
Who cares what team you play for, just play. I also wonder if you would ever sit in front of your computer with your son next to you and say, " Hey, watch this, look what I am going to post about"

NY Elite bails from the fl$ Big X Classic tourney this weekend?

You know it was Icon B at Laxfest and I believe GC has beaten Ambush 2 of the last 3 times. Most recently two weeks ago and again GC is only a town team. A very good one but it is a town team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know it was Icon B at Laxfest and I believe GC has beaten Ambush 2 of the last 3 times. Most recently two weeks ago and again GC is only a town team. A very good one but it is a town team.

Yet GC continues to refuse to play A bracket and avoid any competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know it was Icon B at Laxfest and I believe GC has beaten Ambush 2 of the last 3 times. Most recently two weeks ago and again GC is only a town team. A very good one but it is a town team.

Yet GC continues to refuse to play A bracket and avoid any competition.

GC hasn't claimed to be A, the poster was just stating the facts . They seem to play in brackets were they belong and play well. Kudos to them.

GC beat Ambush once.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

GC beat Ambush once.

Can we get an Ambush only thread up and running?

Igloo vs Blaze tomorrow. This should answer the question.

Here we go, who gets bragging rights for most likely the rest of the year. Blaze vs Black Ice.

Blaze won 8-2

TA should be embarrassed with that showing. Well the last win trumps the head to head history I would think. Perhaps tryouts this year will be different and he should consider big game players.

Blaze deserves the right to brag at the moment. Wonder if they see each other again this year.

91 lost to crabs last week too and to DC Express twice the weekend before

Dc express beat crabs today for championship

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TA should be embarrassed with that showing. Well the last win trumps the head to head history I would think. Perhaps tryouts this year will be different and he should consider big game players.

Blaze deserves the right to brag at the moment. Wonder if they see each other again this year.

This has been a longtime coming to TA. Maybe we lost the country club mentality and get back to our roots

I am sorry to say this but Ambush can and will beat express Schreiber, when they decide to get embarrassed. So called S.A.

Correct GC won out of 3..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 lost to crabs last week too and to DC Express twice the weekend before

Dc express beat crabs today for championship

Stay on your mid Atlantic board you 16 year old rising freshman. Pretty sure 91 and igloo will be at Naptown. Very sure both teams are looking forward to playing D.C. Express.

Sorry - just facts.

91 is 1-4 so far this june against crabs and DCE is what is

Since when is api diamondbacks, mesa orange, laxchussets, leading edge, outlaws select, 24/7 charlotte and thunder elite not considered AA or A or played AA bracket teams. All which Ambush have played or will play. And they have done well. Toughest being leading edge and they have split with them. Beat thunder elite and 24/7. LAXC lost by one last min. Blaze, Black ice, Crabs and DC Express are all in different stratosphere. But they can compete with any other so called double AA team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since when is api diamondbacks, mesa orange, laxchussets, leading edge, outlaws select, 24/7 charlotte and thunder elite not considered AA or A or played AA bracket teams. All which Ambush have played or will play. And they have done well. Toughest being leading edge and they have split with them. Beat thunder elite and 24/7. LAXC lost by one last min. Blaze, Black ice, Crabs and DC Express are all in different stratosphere. But they can compete with any other so called double AA team.

I am starting to believe this is not an Ambush parent posting these baseless posts and just someone looking to start trouble for them. If it is an Ambush parent it is sad that so much attention is desired.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since when is api diamondbacks, mesa orange, laxchussets, leading edge, outlaws select, 24/7 charlotte and thunder elite not considered AA or A or played AA bracket teams. All which Ambush have played or will play. And they have done well. Toughest being leading edge and they have split with them. Beat thunder elite and 24/7. LAXC lost by one last min. Blaze, Black ice, Crabs and DC Express are all in different stratosphere. But they can compete with any other so called double AA team.

If you want to go with an AA, A, and B rating system, which makes sense to some degree considering the much smaller number of teams that fall into AA, they there are a whole lot of teams that are A that many of the elitist snobs refer to as B. The tourneys and brackets aren't denoted AA, A, and B, so you cannot use the tourneys as basis to 'rate' teams. If you go to a tournament that has AA teams, and you're an A team, you would likely play in a B bracket. If it's tourney with little or no AA teams, you probably play A bracket. Both are appropriate under the circumstances for an A team.

If you are a team that can play with any of those teams within a handful of goals, even if you can't win, wouldn't you also then be an A team, albeit just a weaker A Team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a team that can play with any of those teams within a handful of goals, even if you can't win, wouldn't you also then be an A team, albeit just a weaker A Team?

If someone finds the need to come on here and convince people that a team is an A team it probably is not. You will know if your kid is on an A team when you stop feeling the need to report scores and tournament victories. Also if you put teams in that play close games against A teams then almost everyone will be an A team. If a team looses every game to an A team by two that team may be A but what about the team that loses to that team by 2 and so on. Also A teams jump out to a big leads them put subs in and trst starters. Or starters never really play against weaker teams. Sometimes a second goalie will play against weaker teams then the next game the starting goalie will play the entire game against a stronger team. This alters the scores and makes games closer. Teams play different against weaker teams. Close scores are helpful but you need to win a bunch too against A teams. The teams listed in the last post many are not even close to A. If a team is A people will know. You won't need to convince people here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a team that can play with any of those teams within a handful of goals, even if you can't win, wouldn't you also then be an A team, albeit just a weaker A Team?

If someone finds the need to come on here and convince people that a team is an A team it probably is not. You will know if your kid is on an A team when you stop feeling the need to report scores and tournament victories. Also if you put teams in that play close games against A teams then almost everyone will be an A team. If a team looses every game to an A team by two that team may be A but what about the team that loses to that team by 2 and so on. Also A teams jump out to a big leads them put subs in and trst starters. Or starters never really play against weaker teams. Sometimes a second goalie will play against weaker teams then the next game the starting goalie will play the entire game against a stronger team. This alters the scores and makes games closer. Teams play different against weaker teams. Close scores are helpful but you need to win a bunch too against A teams. The teams listed in the last post many are not even close to A. If a team is A people will know. You won't need to convince people here.

This isn't about convincing anyone about anything - it would help teams and tournaments in properly bringing in the right teams. It would also probably help the sport in many areas where it is obviously still suffering with respect to maturing and growing to what it could be, the same issues that afflicted many other organized youth sports in their infancy, sports that learned and made changes for their betterment. The above answer perpetuates the whole slanted idea that totally ignores the idea of distribution - If you go with AA, A, and B, then what you have is a two-tier system with AA being the a subset of A. Under a two tier system, even using a logistic distribution, the distribution would have more teams in A than are currently 'designated' as such. The real problem is that the people associated with the top don't want that club any bigger - to that end, they have essentially and effectively denoted it as one-tier system of AA and B.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since when is api diamondbacks, mesa orange, laxchussets, leading edge, outlaws select, 24/7 charlotte and thunder elite not considered AA or A or played AA bracket teams. All which Ambush have played or will play. And they have done well. Toughest being leading edge and they have split with them. Beat thunder elite and 24/7. LAXC lost by one last min. Blaze, Black ice, Crabs and DC Express are all in different stratosphere. But they can compete with any other so called double AA team.

I am starting to believe this is not an Ambush parent posting these baseless posts and just someone looking to start trouble for them. If it is an Ambush parent it is sad that so much attention is desired.

Who gives a @#$%!! Why is A***** still being talked about!! Give it a rest already!! There are so many better teams to write about!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since when is api diamondbacks, mesa orange, laxchussets, leading edge, outlaws select, 24/7 charlotte and thunder elite not considered AA or A or played AA bracket teams. All which Ambush have played or will play. And they have done well. Toughest being leading edge and they have split with them. Beat thunder elite and 24/7. LAXC lost by one last min. Blaze, Black ice, Crabs and DC Express are all in different stratosphere. But they can compete with any other so called double AA team.

I am starting to believe this is not an Ambush parent posting these baseless posts and just someone looking to start trouble for them. If it is an Ambush parent it is sad that so much attention is desired.

Who gives a @#$%!! Why is A***** still being talked about!! Give it a rest already!! There are so many better teams to write about!

Wow, the Ambush parents were so relieved that Blaze beat Black Ice. We thought we would be off the boards for at least a few days. This is definitely not an Ambush parent that is posting this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since when is api diamondbacks, mesa orange, laxchussets, leading edge, outlaws select, 24/7 charlotte and thunder elite not considered AA or A or played AA bracket teams. All which Ambush have played or will play. And they have done well. Toughest being leading edge and they have split with them. Beat thunder elite and 24/7. LAXC lost by one last min. Blaze, Black ice, Crabs and DC Express are all in different stratosphere. But they can compete with any other so called double AA team.

I am starting to believe this is not an Ambush parent posting these baseless posts and just someone looking to start trouble for them. If it is an Ambush parent it is sad that so much attention is desired.

Who gives a @#$%!! Why is A***** still being talked about!! Give it a rest already!! There are so many better teams to write about!

It's a ploy by the organization to create hype to get more kids to come to their tryouts. Most likely because no organization on LI really has a good second team, so they want to build one since others failed.

What bracket is Ambush playing in at the NLF Championship in a few weeks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What bracket is Ambush playing in at the NLF Championship in a few weeks?

2021 A, Blaze is in AA and they won't put them in the same bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since when is api diamondbacks, mesa orange, laxchussets, leading edge, outlaws select, 24/7 charlotte and thunder elite not considered AA or A or played AA bracket teams. All which Ambush have played or will play. And they have done well. Toughest being leading edge and they have split with them. Beat thunder elite and 24/7. LAXC lost by one last min. Blaze, Black ice, Crabs and DC Express are all in different stratosphere. But they can compete with any other so called double AA team.

I am starting to believe this is not an Ambush parent posting these baseless posts and just someone looking to start trouble for them. If it is an Ambush parent it is sad that so much attention is desired.

Who gives a @#$%!! Why is A***** still being talked about!! Give it a rest already!! There are so many better teams to write about!

It's a ploy by the organization to create hype to get more kids to come to their tryouts. Most likely because no organization on LI really has a good second team, so they want to build one since others failed.

Absolutely not a ploy by the organization! Last year in the 2022 the organization had two of the top teams in the country( Smash,United). What did they do? They combined them. Taking the best players from each team and put them on a "AA" team. Thereby dismantling United as the snubbed kids scattered. The second team is a big step down from previously.
It's definitely someone with an axe to grind which is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since when is api diamondbacks, mesa orange, laxchussets, leading edge, outlaws select, 24/7 charlotte and thunder elite not considered AA or A or played AA bracket teams. All which Ambush have played or will play. And they have done well. Toughest being leading edge and they have split with them. Beat thunder elite and 24/7. LAXC lost by one last min. Blaze, Black ice, Crabs and DC Express are all in different stratosphere. But they can compete with any other so called double AA team.

I am starting to believe this is not an Ambush parent posting these baseless posts and just someone looking to start trouble for them. If it is an Ambush parent it is sad that so much attention is desired.

Who gives a @#$%!! Why is A***** still being talked about!! Give it a rest already!! There are so many better teams to write about!

It's a ploy by the organization to create hype to get more kids to come to their tryouts. Most likely because no organization on LI really has a good second team, so they want to build one since others failed.

Absolutely not a ploy by the organization! Last year in the 2022 the organization had two of the top teams in the country( Smash,United). What did they do? They combined them. Taking the best players from each team and put them on a "AA" team. Thereby dismantling United as the snubbed kids scattered. The second team is a big step down from previously.
It's definitely someone with an axe to grind which is ridiculous.

Ambush is only an A team, and wouldn't win the AA bracket. It is totally about the $$$. 9D1 can boast that they had two teams win their bracket by separating them. When United and Smash both made the championship in the same tournament, they wouldn't let them play each other. Same thing when Smash made the finals in the same bracket as Ambush. They didn't want to damage either team by having one beat the other. Ambush doesn't belong in the same bracket as Blaze. Last summer they didn't win the A bracket, which had a ridiculously good team from Canada win it.

DOnt want to beat a dead horse here, But they did beat Empire Green in Laxfest championship. Empire Green is in the AA bracket for NLF championship. This proofs the comments above. They did put them with double A teams in spring jam, as long as Blaze was not there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since when is api diamondbacks, mesa orange, laxchussets, leading edge, outlaws select, 24/7 charlotte and thunder elite not considered AA or A or played AA bracket teams. All which Ambush have played or will play. And they have done well. Toughest being leading edge and they have split with them. Beat thunder elite and 24/7. LAXC lost by one last min. Blaze, Black ice, Crabs and DC Express are all in different stratosphere. But they can compete with any other so called double AA team.

I am starting to believe this is not an Ambush parent posting these baseless posts and just someone looking to start trouble for them. If it is an Ambush parent it is sad that so much attention is desired.

Who gives a @#$%!! Why is A***** still being talked about!! Give it a rest already!! There are so many better teams to write about!

It's a ploy by the organization to create hype to get more kids to come to their tryouts. Most likely because no organization on LI really has a good second team, so they want to build one since others failed.

Absolutely not a ploy by the organization! Last year in the 2022 the organization had two of the top teams in the country( Smash,United). What did they do? They combined them. Taking the best players from each team and put them on a "AA" team. Thereby dismantling United as the snubbed kids scattered. The second team is a big step down from previously.
It's definitely someone with an axe to grind which is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since when is api diamondbacks, mesa orange, laxchussets, leading edge, outlaws select, 24/7 charlotte and thunder elite not considered AA or A or played AA bracket teams. All which Ambush have played or will play. And they have done well. Toughest being leading edge and they have split with them. Beat thunder elite and 24/7. LAXC lost by one last min. Blaze, Black ice, Crabs and DC Express are all in different stratosphere. But they can compete with any other so called double AA team.

I am starting to believe this is not an Ambush parent posting these baseless posts and just someone looking to start trouble for them. If it is an Ambush parent it is sad that so much attention is desired.

Who gives a @#$%!! Why is A***** still being talked about!! Give it a rest already!! There are so many better teams to write about!

It's a ploy by the organization to create hype to get more kids to come to their tryouts. Most likely because no organization on LI really has a good second team, so they want to build one since others failed.

Absolutely not a ploy by the organization! Last year in the 2022 the organization had two of the top teams in the country( Smash,United). What did they do? They combined them. Taking the best players from each team and put them on a "AA" team. Thereby dismantling United as the snubbed kids scattered. The second team is a big step down from previously.
It's definitely someone with an axe to grind which is ridiculous.

2022 9D1 was unique and worked as long as smash was the "better" team. As soon as united beat smash a few times, the almighty smash couldn't accept it and the organization "combined" the teams and alienated quite a few of the players/parents.

If smash continued to be better in their minds than united this would have never happened.

So if ambush ever gets to the level of blaze, and God bless them honestly as long as the kids are playing and developing who cares, they will "combine the teams and alienate many of their customers.

Seriously, travel team tryouts used to be in September, then teams moved them August, which really cuts into vacation time. Now I see that tryouts are starting in mid July. Seriously, what the heck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously, travel team tryouts used to be in September, then teams moved them August, which really cuts into vacation time. Now I see that tryouts are starting in mid July. Seriously, what the heck.

What teams are mid-July now? crazy.

2021 kids going into high school. Football and soccer start in August. This may be the reason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously, travel team tryouts used to be in September, then teams moved them August, which really cuts into vacation time. Now I see that tryouts are starting in mid July. Seriously, what the heck.

What teams are mid-July now? crazy.

Rising Sons, but my guess is they are going so early to test the water and see what shows up. They dropped their 2020 teams last year, not sure why they even think they can run a HS program. Maybe it isn't that great at NXT? Seems really odd to me

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously, travel team tryouts used to be in September, then teams moved them August, which really cuts into vacation time. Now I see that tryouts are starting in mid July. Seriously, what the heck.

What teams are mid-July now? crazy.

Rising Sons, but my guess is they are going so early to test the water and see what shows up. They dropped their 2020 teams last year, not sure why they even think they can run a HS program. Maybe it isn't that great at NXT? Seems really odd to me

Mesa it looks like is starting their tryouts July 12 and Hs tryouts July 23rd. Maybe its good to go the same time to make sure people are around. Sticks will be sharper and don't get into fall sports. Smart idea?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously, travel team tryouts used to be in September, then teams moved them August, which really cuts into vacation time. Now I see that tryouts are starting in mid July. Seriously, what the heck.

What teams are mid-July now? crazy.

Rising Sons, but my guess is they are going so early to test the water and see what shows up. They dropped their 2020 teams last year, not sure why they even think they can run a HS program. Maybe it isn't that great at NXT? Seems really odd to me

Mesa it looks like is starting their tryouts July 12 and Hs tryouts July 23rd. Maybe its good to go the same time to make sure people are around. Sticks will be sharper and don't get into fall sports. Smart idea?

Igloo is early, everyone is early stop starting trouble. Go back teaching.

Everyone is early? Name one other team that has tryouts in July. Come on, who are you kidding, clearly they are having tryouts early so they can see if they can even field a team. Guess what happened to the 2020 Rising Sons was a wake up call, good old TD doesn't want to screw half the team like last year. Or, maybe he doesn't want his gravy train to end.

Igloo is mid July, the same week as the Brine National Classic. Is that why no Igloo kids were at the tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Igloo is mid July, the same week as the Brine National Classic. Is that why no Igloo kids were at the tryouts?

A lot of teams are in July. It seems to be the new thing. True blue is in July also. Team 24 --July. We will see if this results in more player movement. This is the year that starts the trend that most kids will stay where they are and teams don't make that many changes. Too late for teams to change and will stick with paying customers who stuck with the team for years. Kids don't move either as it is hard to get a coach to think the new kid is as good as kids who have been with a program for years and relationships have developed with coaches and directors over the years. It is rare to find a kid who changed teams going into high school or after and was happy with the change. Maybe this July tryout trend will change things but I doubt it. It is probably too late to change teams and be better off at a new place unless things are so bad a change has to be made. So the early tryouts for this age and up will not result in many teams picking up new players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Igloo is mid July, the same week as the Brine National Classic. Is that why no Igloo kids were at the tryouts?

A lot of teams are in July. It seems to be the new thing. True blue is in July also. Team 24 --July. We will see if this results in more player movement. This is the year that starts the trend that most kids will stay where they are and teams don't make that many changes. Too late for teams to change and will stick with paying customers who stuck with the team for years. Kids don't move either as it is hard to get a coach to think the new kid is as good as kids who have been with a program for years and relationships have developed with coaches and directors over the years. It is rare to find a kid who changed teams going into high school or after and was happy with the change. Maybe this July tryout trend will change things but I doubt it. It is probably too late to change teams and be better off at a new place unless things are so bad a change has to be made. So the early tryouts for this age and up will not result in many teams picking up new players.

The final weekend of July (28th and 29th) is hardly pushing the envelope - it might as well be considered the beginning of August, which is pretty much status quo for years past.

Where are the GC and Ambush parents today claiming to be A teams? Reality is setting in.

Can you find one quote the GC parents claim that their TOWN team is A teams, the only thing I have seen is them just simply saying they have beaten Ambush 2 out of the last three times they have played them. GC played in a tourney over the weekend lost their three first games by one goal to a team which was mostly Outlaws A team ( which was kinda of a fluke last goal score by GC in their own net) , to Two Way Lacrosse and a team from Canada. The next day they beat that same Canada in the semi's who was undefeated and then last in the finals again to the Two Way team. They are a town team coached by the a HS school coach to get them ready for their HS years, what is wrong with that. No there is now way they can beat Express, Igloo, Icon or 91 they have never said that, those four teams are the top four on the island, have I seen some posts saying they can compete with the next tier teams such as Ambush, Outlaws, Express teams such as North or B and teams like that as they have proven that. Again they are a TOWN teams which I think is great that they play together in ok tourney's they play with their friends hangout together and nothing wrong with that. So please don't put them in the same class of comments on how good or not they are like some of the crazy posts by Ambush people, maybe say that its pretty good that at least one town still does what they do.

Ambush knocked to a loser bracket early by a B team who did not make it to the finals in a B tournament and GC goes 1 win 4 loses blown out twice. Now we know why these teams play in B tournaments. Nothing wrong with that until those parents come on here bragging about wins and making up rankings placing both teams in the top 8. Maybe now they will keep quiet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you find one quote the GC parents claim that their TOWN team is A teams, the only thing I have seen is them just simply saying they have beaten Ambush 2 out of the last three times they have played them. GC played in a tourney over the weekend lost their three first games by one goal to a team which was mostly Outlaws A team ( which was kinda of a fluke last goal score by GC in their own net) , to Two Way Lacrosse and a team from Canada. The next day they beat that same Canada in the semi's who was undefeated and then last in the finals again to the Two Way team. They are a town team coached by the a HS school coach to get them ready for their HS years, what is wrong with that. No there is now way they can beat Express, Igloo, Icon or 91 they have never said that, those four teams are the top four on the island, have I seen some posts saying they can compete with the next tier teams such as Ambush, Outlaws, Express teams such as North or B and teams like that as they have proven that. Again they are a TOWN teams which I think is great that they play together in ok tourney's they play with their friends hangout together and nothing wrong with that. So please don't put them in the same class of comments on how good or not they are like some of the crazy posts by Ambush people, maybe say that its pretty good that at least one town still does what they do.

Not getting in an argument here over fake news but you know who to ask if that was "mostly" the Outlaws select team or not. Please get the correct information before posting. We will leave it at that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush knocked to a loser bracket early by a B team who did not make it to the finals in a B tournament and GC goes 1 win 4 loses blown out twice. Now we know why these teams play in B tournaments. Nothing wrong with that until those parents come on here bragging about wins and making up rankings placing both teams in the top 8. Maybe now they will keep quiet.

Ambush parents don't post, and the former Ambush parent didn't have any info so they couldn't pose as an Ambush parent yet since they were out of town.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you find one quote the GC parents claim that their TOWN team is A teams, the only thing I have seen is them just simply saying they have beaten Ambush 2 out of the last three times they have played them. GC played in a tourney over the weekend lost their three first games by one goal to a team which was mostly Outlaws A team ( which was kinda of a fluke last goal score by GC in their own net) , to Two Way Lacrosse and a team from Canada. The next day they beat that same Canada in the semi's who was undefeated and then last in the finals again to the Two Way team. They are a town team coached by the a HS school coach to get them ready for their HS years, what is wrong with that. No there is now way they can beat Express, Igloo, Icon or 91 they have never said that, those four teams are the top four on the island, have I seen some posts saying they can compete with the next tier teams such as Ambush, Outlaws, Express teams such as North or B and teams like that as they have proven that. Again they are a TOWN teams which I think is great that they play together in ok tourney's they play with their friends hangout together and nothing wrong with that. So please don't put them in the same class of comments on how good or not they are like some of the crazy posts by Ambush people, maybe say that its pretty good that at least one town still does what they do.

GC lost 3 games by one goal? They lost 6-5,8-1,5-2 and 6-1. One victory was 7-6. All four teams made the playoffs. They went 1-4. Who knows if this is good, bad or competing but we should be able to agree that only one loss was by one goal not 3 loses by one goal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush knocked to a loser bracket early by a B team who did not make it to the finals in a B tournament and GC goes 1 win 4 loses blown out twice. Now we know why these teams play in B tournaments. Nothing wrong with that until those parents come on here bragging about wins and making up rankings placing both teams in the top 8. Maybe now they will keep quiet.

Who made you the keeper of the brackets? Young Guns is not a B tournament by any means. There was good competition down there, and the games were all hard fought in really hot weather. Ambush doesn't have any holdbacks, and several of their kids are September or later birthdays. That really hurt them in the games they lost to the same team, as the kids were much bigger.

GC never has come on this board saying that they are an A team.

People complain about the two teams coming on hear and bragging, but it is the haters that always start the trouble..

What team does your kid play for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush knocked to a loser bracket early by a B team who did not make it to the finals in a B tournament and GC goes 1 win 4 loses blown out twice. Now we know why these teams play in B tournaments. Nothing wrong with that until those parents come on here bragging about wins and making up rankings placing both teams in the top 8. Maybe now they will keep quiet.

Who made you the keeper of the brackets? Young Guns is not a B tournament by any means. There was good competition down there, and the games were all hard fought in really hot weather. Ambush doesn't have any holdbacks, and several of their kids are September or later birthdays. That really hurt them in the games they lost to the same team, as the kids were much bigger.

GC never has come on this board saying that they are an A team.

People complain about the two teams coming on hear and bragging, but it is the haters that always start the trouble..

What team does your kid play for?

People are not going to answer that question. If it is answered how would you know if it were true? People know who the good teams are. If you feel the competition was good for ambush be happy and move on. Some may think the teams were weak some may think they are strong teams. No need for you to explain.

GC not an A team and nobody ever claimed they were. As noted above- kids playing with their friends and trying to get ready for HS ball. how many of your towns have been as successful over the years?? Club teams grab the best from all over- Town teams cant possibly compete so why try to make something over nothing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush knocked to a loser bracket early by a B team who did not make it to the finals in a B tournament and GC goes 1 win 4 loses blown out twice. Now we know why these teams play in B tournaments. Nothing wrong with that until those parents come on here bragging about wins and making up rankings placing both teams in the top 8. Maybe now they will keep quiet.

Who made you the keeper of the brackets? Young Guns is not a B tournament by any means. There was good competition down there, and the games were all hard fought in really hot weather. Ambush doesn't have any holdbacks, and several of their kids are September or later birthdays. That really hurt them in the games they lost to the same team, as the kids were much bigger.

GC never has come on this board saying that they are an A team.

People complain about the two teams coming on hear and bragging, but it is the haters that always start the trouble..

What team does your kid play for?

Funny stuff. GC admits they are not an A team and they beat Ambush twice who claims to be an A team. The team Ambush lost to twice at Young Guns could not beat any of the other teams other than Ambush at Young Guns and lost by a lot to the others. Who knows. They both could be A teams or B teams. We will never know until they both enter top tournaments. The announcer on TV for the World Series yesterday put it best when talking about the Crabs who every year claim to be the best when he said the Crabs could never be considered the best until they play in the World Series and win. I hope Ambush plays in top tournaments next year and if they do they may just shut everyone up. Until then they should not be announcing victories against teams that most consider easy wins or even against good teams. It is rare that teams parents come on here and announce wins. When they do there are many negative reply's regardless of which team it is. One last thing. The Ambush team does have talent and are very well coached. They will get looks from colleges based on the organization they play for. It is too bad the parents put targets on the team when talking here. I doubt the negative posts come from "haters" or a parent of a kid that got cut or a former Ambush parent. Simply put, if announcements are made here of Ambush victories/championships expect negative feedback. Most don't like that that stuff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ambush knocked to a loser bracket early by a B team who did not make it to the finals in a B tournament and GC goes 1 win 4 loses blown out twice. Now we know why these teams play in B tournaments. Nothing wrong with that until those parents come on here bragging about wins and making up rankings placing both teams in the top 8. Maybe now they will keep quiet.

Who made you the keeper of the brackets? Young Guns is not a B tournament by any means. There was good competition down there, and the games were all hard fought in really hot weather. Ambush doesn't have any holdbacks, and several of their kids are September or later birthdays. That really hurt them in the games they lost to the same team, as the kids were much bigger.

GC never has come on this board saying that they are an A team.

People complain about the two teams coming on hear and bragging, but it is the haters that always start the trouble..

What team does your kid play for?

Funny stuff. GC admits they are not an A team and they beat Ambush twice who claims to be an A team. The team Ambush lost to twice at Young Guns could not beat any of the other teams other than Ambush at Young Guns and lost by a lot to the others. Who knows. They both could be A teams or B teams. We will never know until they both enter top tournaments. The announcer on TV for the World Series yesterday put it best when talking about the Crabs who every year claim to be the best when he said the Crabs could never be considered the best until they play in the World Series and win. I hope Ambush plays in top tournaments next year and if they do they may just shut everyone up. Until then they should not be announcing victories against teams that most consider easy wins or even against good teams. It is rare that teams parents come on here and announce wins. When they do there are many negative reply's regardless of which team it is. One last thing. The Ambush team does have talent and are very well coached. They will get looks from colleges based on the organization they play for. It is too bad the parents put targets on the team when talking here. I doubt the negative posts come from "haters" or a parent of a kid that got cut or a former Ambush parent. Simply put, if announcements are made here of Ambush victories/championships expect negative feedback. Most don't like that that stuff.

Again, I'm an Ambush parent, and unless someone is lying to me, Ambush doesn't post the wins. We were laughing at the last tourney about how Blaze beating Black Ice would keep us off for a few weeks and were happy to just enjoy a week of no bashing.

First let me say my kid plays lacrosse for fun. There is no D1 scout knocking on my door. Junior plays on a glorified town team and enjoys it. I got an email from National 175 showcase. My only question is that the fee is $775. Is that fee for a team or one kid? Just wondering.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First let me say my kid plays lacrosse for fun. There is no D1 scout knocking on my door. Junior plays on a glorified town team and enjoys it. I got an email from National 175 showcase. My only question is that the fee is $775. Is that fee for a team or one kid? Just wondering.

175 is usually around the 300 dollar mark. They have several events so I would guess it depends on which event you got a email for. They had one on Long Island in June and from what I heard the 2021 year did not generate much interest from coaches.

Wow Naptown, Blaze smoked Black Ice, but then was smoked themselves? Express out as well. Guess LI isn't too good in this age group!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow Naptown, Blaze smoked Black Ice, but then was smoked themselves? Express out as well. Guess LI isn't too good in this age group!

Yeah it's a real mystery how true national all of a sudden is the best at most age levels. Must be something in the water out there

91 is a waste , anyone watching can the coaches are a disorganized mess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow Naptown, Blaze smoked Black Ice, but then was smoked themselves? Express out as well. Guess LI isn't too good in this age group!

yes, but the sideshow was priceless

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow Naptown, Blaze smoked Black Ice, but then was smoked themselves? Express out as well. Guess LI isn't too good in this age group!

So Long Island is not "too good" in this age group yet they had 3 teams in the quarter finals of Naptown. Had Icon been there, 4 LI teams would have made the quarters. Igloo and 9d1 were considered two of the top 5 teams in the country last year, yet 12 months later they aren't "too good". Hey genius, how many players on your son's team are in 8th grade for the second time? How many were born in the summer or fall of 2002. On LI, they would be rising sophomores. Or better yet, how many of your players are still 2020s and are planning on doing a post grad year so you feel it is ok for them to play down eh? How does a team from Illinois that didn't even win a B 2021 tournament on LI in the fall, make the finals of Naptown nine months later? Please tell. Enjoy your day. It won't last long.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow Naptown, Blaze smoked Black Ice, but then was smoked themselves? Express out as well. Guess LI isn't too good in this age group!

So Long Island is not "too good" in this age group yet they had 3 teams in the quarter finals of Naptown. Had Icon been there, 4 LI teams would have made the quarters. Igloo and 9d1 were considered two of the top 5 teams in the country last year, yet 12 months later they aren't "too good". Hey genius, how many players on your son's team are in 8th grade for the second time? How many were born in the summer or fall of 2002. On LI, they would be rising sophomores. Or better yet, how many of your players are still 2020s and are planning on doing a post grad year so you feel it is ok for them to play down eh? How does a team from Illinois that didn't even win a B 2021 tournament on LI in the fall, make the finals of Naptown nine months later? Please tell. Enjoy your day. It won't last long.

Here is your answer as I was at Naptown and spoke with the parents of both finalist Eclipse and True National. You talk about bringing 2020s. Yes they both did. However both teams also had many 16 years olds that were 2019 kids. Some parents were against it. Both teams had only a couple of 14 year olds and mostly 15 and 16 year olds. Edge had 17 year olds playing in 2021. The finals are on tv today. It was win at all cost for the teams off lLong Island. Long Island teams made no changes and did not add older kids. So the two finalist played with 15 and 16 year olds agaist 13 and 14 year olds. The two older teams did the best. It is that simple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Wow Naptown, Blaze smoked Black Ice, but then was smoked themselves? Express out as well. Guess LI isn't too good in this age group!

So Long Island is not "too good" in this age group yet they had 3 teams in the quarter finals of Naptown. Had Icon been there, 4 LI teams would have made the quarters. Igloo and 9d1 were considered two of the top 5 teams in the country last year, yet 12 months later they aren't "too good". Hey genius, how many players on your son's team are in 8th grade for the second time? How many were born in the summer or fall of 2002. On LI, they would be rising sophomores. Or better yet, how many of your players are still 2020s and are planning on doing a post grad year so you feel it is ok for them to play down eh? How does a team from Illinois that didn't even win a B 2021 tournament on LI in the fall, make the finals of Naptown nine months later? Please tell. Enjoy your day. It won't last long.

Here is your answer as I was at Naptown and spoke with the parents of both finalist Eclipse and True National. You talk about bringing 2020s. Yes they both did. However both teams also had many 16 years olds that were 2019 kids. Some parents were against it. Both teams had only a couple of 14 year olds and mostly 15 and 16 year olds. Edge had 17 year olds playing in 2021. The finals are on tv today. It was win at all cost for the teams off lLong Island. Long Island teams made no changes and did not add older kids. So the two finalist played with 15 and 16 year olds agaist 13 and 14 year olds. The two older teams did the best. It is that simple.
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Completely right...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Wow Naptown, Blaze smoked Black Ice, but then was smoked themselves? Express out as well. Guess LI isn't too good in this age group!

So Long Island is not "too good" in this age group yet they had 3 teams in the quarter finals of Naptown. Had Icon been there, 4 LI teams would have made the quarters. Igloo and 9d1 were considered two of the top 5 teams in the country last year, yet 12 months later they aren't "too good". Hey genius, how many players on your son's team are in 8th grade for the second time? How many were born in the summer or fall of 2002. On LI, they would be rising sophomores. Or better yet, how many of your players are still 2020s and are planning on doing a post grad year so you feel it is ok for them to play down eh? How does a team from Illinois that didn't even win a B 2021 tournament on LI in the fall, make the finals of Naptown nine months later? Please tell. Enjoy your day. It won't last long.

Here is your answer as I was at Naptown and spoke with the parents of both finalist Eclipse and True National. You talk about bringing 2020s. Yes they both did. However both teams also had many 16 years olds that were 2019 kids. Some parents were against it. Both teams had only a couple of 14 year olds and mostly 15 and 16 year olds. Edge had 17 year olds playing in 2021. The finals are on tv today. It was win at all cost for the teams off lLong Island. Long Island teams made no changes and did not add older kids. So the two finalist played with 15 and 16 year olds agaist 13 and 14 year olds. The two older teams did the best. It is that simple.
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Completely right...

Is this even remotely able to be verified?

OBTW, red maverik helmet=2019 right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow Naptown, Blaze smoked Black Ice, but then was smoked themselves? Express out as well. Guess LI isn't too good in this age group!

So Long Island is not "too good" in this age group yet they had 3 teams in the quarter finals of Naptown. Had Icon been there, 4 LI teams would have made the quarters. Igloo and 9d1 were considered two of the top 5 teams in the country last year, yet 12 months later they aren't "too good". Hey genius, how many players on your son's team are in 8th grade for the second time? How many were born in the summer or fall of 2002. On LI, they would be rising sophomores. Or better yet, how many of your players are still 2020s and are planning on doing a post grad year so you feel it is ok for them to play down eh? How does a team from Illinois that didn't even win a B 2021 tournament on LI in the fall, make the finals of Naptown nine months later? Please tell. Enjoy your day. It won't last long.

Here is your answer as I was at Naptown and spoke with the parents of both finalist Eclipse and True National. You talk about bringing 2020s. Yes they both did. However both teams also had many 16 years olds that were 2019 kids. Some parents were against it. Both teams had only a couple of 14 year olds and mostly 15 and 16 year olds. Edge had 17 year olds playing in 2021. The finals are on tv today. It was win at all cost for the teams off lLong Island. Long Island teams made no changes and did not add older kids. So the two finalist played with 15 and 16 year olds agaist 13 and 14 year olds. The two older teams did the best. It is that simple.

how do you explain 3D Colorado beating 91 on 1st day. I'm sure they somehow cheated (apparently the only way a LI team loses)

Don't understand how lacrosse has not followed Hockey in using birth year instead of year you want your kid to graduate by holding them back. What a joke!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't understand how lacrosse has not followed Hockey in using birth year instead of year you want your kid to graduate by holding them back. What a joke!

At the HS level, what would be the relevance of evaluating a bunch of 16 year olds by themselves, a bunch of 17 year olds by themselves, or a bunch of 18 year olds by themselves? The birth year, what is that doing for you, what is it that is so mesmerizing? Club at the HS level is for showcasing talent by graduating class, and in case you haven't heard, one graduating class graduates off to college each year, and age isn't a determining factor. So very unhelpful for scouts if they are looking at a mixed bag team of kids all over HS during Summer, when they are sent out specifically to work on their boards. If you are talking about youth ball, which you shouldn't be now, because '21's are done youth ball, than who cares, probably to keep it consistent down the line from the HS brackets, or maybe just to drive the liberals crazy, or maybe because the hockey folks were colluding with the Canadians.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't understand how lacrosse has not followed Hockey in using birth year instead of year you want your kid to graduate by holding them back. What a joke!

. . . and soccer and football and baseball! Yet, you will hear ad nauseum comments about "it is what is, deal with it", "stop whining", etc, etc. What you won't [b]ever hear is any truly valid argument for a having grade based system for anyone below the high school age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't understand how lacrosse has not followed Hockey in using birth year instead of year you want your kid to graduate by holding them back. What a joke!

At the HS level, what would be the relevance of evaluating a bunch of 16 year olds by themselves, a bunch of 17 year olds by themselves, or a bunch of 18 year olds by themselves? The birth year, what is that doing for you, what is it that is so mesmerizing? Club at the HS level is for showcasing talent by graduating class, and in case you haven't heard, one graduating class graduates off to college each year, and age isn't a determining factor. So very unhelpful for scouts if they are looking at a mixed bag team of kids all over HS during Summer, when they are sent out specifically to work on their boards. If you are talking about youth ball, which you shouldn't be now, because '21's are done youth ball, than who cares, probably to keep it consistent down the line from the HS brackets, or maybe just to drive the liberals crazy, or maybe because the hockey folks were colluding with the Canadians.

But in HS, the maturity differences level out around 11th grade, so there isn't as much of a difference by the time you get there. At 2021, you have kids that haven't even sniffed puberty at age 13 and 14 playing against men who are 15 and 16 and are fully mature. Not at all the same as a 16 year old versus a 17 year old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow Naptown, Blaze smoked Black Ice, but then was smoked themselves? Express out as well. Guess LI isn't too good in this age group!

So Long Island is not "too good" in this age group yet they had 3 teams in the quarter finals of Naptown. Had Icon been there, 4 LI teams would have made the quarters. Igloo and 9d1 were considered two of the top 5 teams in the country last year, yet 12 months later they aren't "too good". Hey genius, how many players on your son's team are in 8th grade for the second time? How many were born in the summer or fall of 2002. On LI, they would be rising sophomores. Or better yet, how many of your players are still 2020s and are planning on doing a post grad year so you feel it is ok for them to play down eh? How does a team from Illinois that didn't even win a B 2021 tournament on LI in the fall, make the finals of Naptown nine months later? Please tell. Enjoy your day. It won't last long.

Here is your answer as I was at Naptown and spoke with the parents of both finalist Eclipse and True National. You talk about bringing 2020s. Yes they both did. However both teams also had many 16 years olds that were 2019 kids. Some parents were against it. Both teams had only a couple of 14 year olds and mostly 15 and 16 year olds. Edge had 17 year olds playing in 2021. The finals are on tv today. It was win at all cost for the teams off lLong Island. Long Island teams made no changes and did not add older kids. So the two finalist played with 15 and 16 year olds agaist 13 and 14 year olds. The two older teams did the best. It is that simple.

how do you explain 3D Colorado beating 91 on 1st day. I'm sure they somehow cheated (apparently the only way a LI team loses)

The Long Island teams were all the same> No new players. I know each of those teams. 9d1 was missing kids. The word was that those kids played for crush. If you were there you would have seen that MOST of the teams except the Long Island teams and a couple of others were older. The older teams were not trying to hide it. These teams think this is proper age. Eclipse had 16 year olds. Same with True.These were not the same Eclipse and True teams that played last year. The parents of the few 14 and many 15 year olds were angry that those kids lost spots to older kids and were no longer starters. Denver - Colorado teams were older too. Not as old as True or Eclipse. One team was very good the other not as good but still good. Again if you were there you would have seen it. I have never seen 9d1,Igloo and express look small before yesterday. This is the way it is going to be until Long island teams catch up to the holdbacks and reclass. 2 year holdbacks are common now outside of New [lacrosse]. No excuses just the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow Naptown, Blaze smoked Black Ice, but then was smoked themselves? Express out as well. Guess LI isn't too good in this age group!

So Long Island is not "too good" in this age group yet they had 3 teams in the quarter finals of Naptown. Had Icon been there, 4 LI teams would have made the quarters. Igloo and 9d1 were considered two of the top 5 teams in the country last year, yet 12 months later they aren't "too good". Hey genius, how many players on your son's team are in 8th grade for the second time? How many were born in the summer or fall of 2002. On LI, they would be rising sophomores. Or better yet, how many of your players are still 2020s and are planning on doing a post grad year so you feel it is ok for them to play down eh? How does a team from Illinois that didn't even win a B 2021 tournament on LI in the fall, make the finals of Naptown nine months later? Please tell. Enjoy your day. It won't last long.

Here is your answer as I was at Naptown and spoke with the parents of both finalist Eclipse and True National. You talk about bringing 2020s. Yes they both did. However both teams also had many 16 years olds that were 2019 kids. Some parents were against it. Both teams had only a couple of 14 year olds and mostly 15 and 16 year olds. Edge had 17 year olds playing in 2021. The finals are on tv today. It was win at all cost for the teams off lLong Island. Long Island teams made no changes and did not add older kids. So the two finalist played with 15 and 16 year olds agaist 13 and 14 year olds. The two older teams did the best. It is that simple.

how do you explain 3D Colorado beating 91 on 1st day. I'm sure they somehow cheated (apparently the only way a LI team loses)

Cause 3D played better than 91. End of story. I don't think there were many 16 year olds playing 2021 at Naptown, if any at all. You can not tell me though that the non NY teams were not loaded with 15 year olds. LI Outlaws, which is a good team, physically looked like 13 and 14 year olds. There was a noticeable size difference between them and every team they played without exception. Just own the fact that your kid is 15 and going into 9th grade and realize that his opponent from NY is 13 or 14. As one father from a non NY team decided to tell everyone on the sideline that his son with a Sept 02 birthday was a youngest on his team, please realize that same player would have been the oldest player on my son's team by 3 months. But, I guess you don't care. LOL.

Eclipse team played great at Naptown. Surprised to see black ice get blown out as did Blaze the next game. Seems like a big change compared to last year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow Naptown, Blaze smoked Black Ice, but then was smoked themselves? Express out as well. Guess LI isn't too good in this age group!

So Long Island is not "too good" in this age group yet they had 3 teams in the quarter finals of Naptown. Had Icon been there, 4 LI teams would have made the quarters. Igloo and 9d1 were considered two of the top 5 teams in the country last year, yet 12 months later they aren't "too good". Hey genius, how many players on your son's team are in 8th grade for the second time? How many were born in the summer or fall of 2002. On LI, they would be rising sophomores. Or better yet, how many of your players are still 2020s and are planning on doing a post grad year so you feel it is ok for them to play down eh? How does a team from Illinois that didn't even win a B 2021 tournament on LI in the fall, make the finals of Naptown nine months later? Please tell. Enjoy your day. It won't last long.

Here is your answer as I was at Naptown and spoke with the parents of both finalist Eclipse and True National. You talk about bringing 2020s. Yes they both did. However both teams also had many 16 years olds that were 2019 kids. Some parents were against it. Both teams had only a couple of 14 year olds and mostly 15 and 16 year olds. Edge had 17 year olds playing in 2021. The finals are on tv today. It was win at all cost for the teams off lLong Island. Long Island teams made no changes and did not add older kids. So the two finalist played with 15 and 16 year olds agaist 13 and 14 year olds. The two older teams did the best. It is that simple.

how do you explain 3D Colorado beating 91 on 1st day. I'm sure they somehow cheated (apparently the only way a LI team loses)

The Long Island teams were all the same> No new players. I know each of those teams. 9d1 was missing kids. The word was that those kids played for crush. If you were there you would have seen that MOST of the teams except the Long Island teams and a couple of others were older. The older teams were not trying to hide it. These teams think this is proper age. Eclipse had 16 year olds. Same with True.These were not the same Eclipse and True teams that played last year. The parents of the few 14 and many 15 year olds were angry that those kids lost spots to older kids and were no longer starters. Denver - Colorado teams were older too. Not as old as True or Eclipse. One team was very good the other not as good but still good. Again if you were there you would have seen it. I have never seen 9d1,Igloo and express look small before yesterday. This is the way it is going to be until Long island teams catch up to the holdbacks and reclass. 2 year holdbacks are common now outside of New [lacrosse]. No excuses just the truth.

I was there and didn't notice the vast size difference between teams that you are describing.

So I just stumbled onto this thread by accident as I was simply trying to find a replay of the True National 2021 vs. Eclipse championship game played in Annapolis yesterday. My wife flew out east(from Chicago) with my son and I wasn't able to be there and see him play. It's pretty shocking to pull something like this up and see a bunch of garbage assumptions and accusations about a team you know absolutely nothing about. My son has trained with and played for True Lacrosse in Illinois for 5 years now and has done so with the same group of boys he started with - every one of which is still 14yrs old(or younger) and has a graduation year of 2021. They bust their butts nearly year-round under the instruction of True's 2 founders which not only both played D1, but also each played 9yrs in the MLL. They decided to take the game they know and love and grow it in the Midwest where I have to tell you - it has blown up. Believe me when I tell you we have been told far too many times that Midwest kids can't compete with the East Coast in lacrosse!! And our kids hate hearing it!

So to respond to a few of the comments above:

**** "How does a team from Illinois that didn't even win a B 2021 tournament on LI in the fall, make the finals of Naptown nine months later? Please tell." - This one I am happy to explain. True Lacrosse in Illinois alone has several Regional Teams(North Stars, Northwest, West Elite, South, etc....) which cover all of the various suburbs of Chicago........then there are their State Teams which are like "All Star" teams picked from ALL of these Illinois Regional Teams at each age group to play in more serious tournaments(mostly East Coast)..........then there you have other states such as True Indiana, True Idaho, True Michigan, True Kentucky, and so on and so forth..............and THEN their is True National which is selected from a mini tournament/tryout from ALL of the above and plays in 1 and 1 only tournament per year!! That is the team that you saw playing Eclipse in the championship! This happens at every age group and therefore they don't need to pick a bunch of older players and pretend they're 14 - they pick them from HUNDREDS of talented 14yr olds that work extremely hard to be there. So you may have seen a True team that didn't even win in the B division at one of your tournaments, but no 2 teams that go out East are EVER the same because when we come to your tournaments - we fly(or drive 12-14hrs) and we stay in hotels and not every family can spend both the money and the entire summer away from home so our kids can play lacrosse.

**** "Yeah it's a real mystery how true national all of a sudden is the best at most age levels. Must be something in the water out there" - I don't think it's a mystery and I doubt there is anything special in our water - I just know they train hard in every age group from U7 through high school. Where you may have 20 really strong lacrosse clubs to split your talent up - we only have a few. True happens to be the one that wants to test it's talent against the best. This should be a compliment to all of you. We would be happy to have any/all East Coast teams come to Chicago for a tournament, but something tells me you won't want to spend money on flights and hotels like we do each and every time we play you. And it's not really "all of the sudden".

**** "both teams also had many 16 years olds that were 2019 kids" - I can't speak for Eclipse because I have no idea what age their boys were, but that is absolute lie when it comes to True Lacrosse. You can look at our rosters year after year and see 90% of the same names. I am only aware of 2 kids in all of True Illinois who have "re-classed" and neither of them was on this team - it just isn't a "thing" you see done here.

So I hope this novel I've written(which was very therapeutic for me) helps to dispel some of the rumors etc..... you have about True Lacrosse. It should be exciting for you to know the sport is growing and improving around the country and not just in your backyards. Best of luck to all of your sons' in their remaining tournaments!

More like true lies.you need a therapist.i'm sure your wife believes you and the easter bunny.you should join up with the fca tree huggers.mind body and soul.keep believing.

Sounds like somebody's son's team got smacked around by FCA as well.

Finally someone is trying to move to age base
NXT Sports
https://nxtsports.com/blog/entry/nx...to-adopt-us-lacrosse-age-segmentation-p/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like somebody's son's team got smacked around by FCA as well.

FCA, the biggest scam in club lacrosse, countrywide. Hiding behind a religious front that is so far from that, it is pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So I just stumbled onto this thread by accident as I was simply trying to find a replay of the True National 2021 vs. Eclipse championship game played in Annapolis yesterday. My wife flew out east(from Chicago) with my son and I wasn't able to be there and see him play. It's pretty shocking to pull something like this up and see a bunch of garbage assumptions and accusations about a team you know absolutely nothing about. My son has trained with and played for True Lacrosse in Illinois for 5 years now and has done so with the same group of boys he started with - every one of which is still 14yrs old(or younger) and has a graduation year of 2021. They bust their butts nearly year-round under the instruction of True's 2 founders which not only both played D1, but also each played 9yrs in the MLL. They decided to take the game they know and love and grow it in the Midwest where I have to tell you - it has blown up. Believe me when I tell you we have been told far too many times that Midwest kids can't compete with the East Coast in lacrosse!! And our kids hate hearing it!

So to respond to a few of the comments above:

**** "How does a team from Illinois that didn't even win a B 2021 tournament on LI in the fall, make the finals of Naptown nine months later? Please tell." - This one I am happy to explain. True Lacrosse in Illinois alone has several Regional Teams(North Stars, Northwest, West Elite, South, etc....) which cover all of the various suburbs of Chicago........then there are their State Teams which are like "All Star" teams picked from ALL of these Illinois Regional Teams at each age group to play in more serious tournaments(mostly East Coast)..........then there you have other states such as True Indiana, True Idaho, True Michigan, True Kentucky, and so on and so forth..............and THEN their is True National which is selected from a mini tournament/tryout from ALL of the above and plays in 1 and 1 only tournament per year!! That is the team that you saw playing Eclipse in the championship! This happens at every age group and therefore they don't need to pick a bunch of older players and pretend they're 14 - they pick them from HUNDREDS of talented 14yr olds that work extremely hard to be there. So you may have seen a True team that didn't even win in the B division at one of your tournaments, but no 2 teams that go out East are EVER the same because when we come to your tournaments - we fly(or drive 12-14hrs) and we stay in hotels and not every family can spend both the money and the entire summer away from home so our kids can play lacrosse.

**** "Yeah it's a real mystery how true national all of a sudden is the best at most age levels. Must be something in the water out there" - I don't think it's a mystery and I doubt there is anything special in our water - I just know they train hard in every age group from U7 through high school. Where you may have 20 really strong lacrosse clubs to split your talent up - we only have a few. True happens to be the one that wants to test it's talent against the best. This should be a compliment to all of you. We would be happy to have any/all East Coast teams come to Chicago for a tournament, but something tells me you won't want to spend money on flights and hotels like we do each and every time we play you. And it's not really "all of the sudden".

**** "both teams also had many 16 years olds that were 2019 kids" - I can't speak for Eclipse because I have no idea what age their boys were, but that is absolute lie when it comes to True Lacrosse. You can look at our rosters year after year and see 90% of the same names. I am only aware of 2 kids in all of True Illinois who have "re-classed" and neither of them was on this team - it just isn't a "thing" you see done here.

So I hope this novel I've written(which was very therapeutic for me) helps to dispel some of the rumors etc..... you have about True Lacrosse. It should be exciting for you to know the sport is growing and improving around the country and not just in your backyards. Best of luck to all of your sons' in their remaining tournaments!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So I just stumbled onto this thread by accident as I was simply trying to find a replay of the True National 2021 vs. Eclipse championship game played in Annapolis yesterday. My wife flew out east(from Chicago) with my son and I wasn't able to be there and see him play. It's pretty shocking to pull something like this up and see a bunch of garbage assumptions and accusations about a team you know absolutely nothing about. My son has trained with and played for True Lacrosse in Illinois for 5 years now and has done so with the same group of boys he started with - every one of which is still 14yrs old(or younger) and has a graduation year of 2021. They bust their butts nearly year-round under the instruction of True's 2 founders which not only both played D1, but also each played 9yrs in the MLL. They decided to take the game they know and love and grow it in the Midwest where I have to tell you - it has blown up. Believe me when I tell you we have been told far too many times that Midwest kids can't compete with the East Coast in lacrosse!! And our kids hate hearing it!

So to respond to a few of the comments above:

**** "How does a team from Illinois that didn't even win a B 2021 tournament on LI in the fall, make the finals of Naptown nine months later? Please tell." - This one I am happy to explain. True Lacrosse in Illinois alone has several Regional Teams(North Stars, Northwest, West Elite, South, etc....) which cover all of the various suburbs of Chicago........then there are their State Teams which are like "All Star" teams picked from ALL of these Illinois Regional Teams at each age group to play in more serious tournaments(mostly East Coast)..........then there you have other states such as True Indiana, True Idaho, True Michigan, True Kentucky, and so on and so forth..............and THEN their is True National which is selected from a mini tournament/tryout from ALL of the above and plays in 1 and 1 only tournament per year!! That is the team that you saw playing Eclipse in the championship! This happens at every age group and therefore they don't need to pick a bunch of older players and pretend they're 14 - they pick them from HUNDREDS of talented 14yr olds that work extremely hard to be there. So you may have seen a True team that didn't even win in the B division at one of your tournaments, but no 2 teams that go out East are EVER the same because when we come to your tournaments - we fly(or drive 12-14hrs) and we stay in hotels and not every family can spend both the money and the entire summer away from home so our kids can play lacrosse.

**** "Yeah it's a real mystery how true national all of a sudden is the best at most age levels. Must be something in the water out there" - I don't think it's a mystery and I doubt there is anything special in our water - I just know they train hard in every age group from U7 through high school. Where you may have 20 really strong lacrosse clubs to split your talent up - we only have a few. True happens to be the one that wants to test it's talent against the best. This should be a compliment to all of you. We would be happy to have any/all East Coast teams come to Chicago for a tournament, but something tells me you won't want to spend money on flights and hotels like we do each and every time we play you. And it's not really "all of the sudden".

**** "both teams also had many 16 years olds that were 2019 kids" - I can't speak for Eclipse because I have no idea what age their boys were, but that is absolute lie when it comes to True Lacrosse. You can look at our rosters year after year and see 90% of the same names. I am only aware of 2 kids in all of True Illinois who have "re-classed" and neither of them was on this team - it just isn't a "thing" you see done here.

So I hope this novel I've written(which was very therapeutic for me) helps to dispel some of the rumors etc..... you have about True Lacrosse. It should be exciting for you to know the sport is growing and improving around the country and not just in your backyards. Best of luck to all of your sons' in their remaining tournaments!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So I just stumbled onto this thread by accident as I was simply trying to find a replay of the True National 2021 vs. Eclipse championship game played in Annapolis yesterday. My wife flew out east(from Chicago) with my son and I wasn't able to be there and see him play. It's pretty shocking to pull something like this up and see a bunch of garbage assumptions and accusations about a team you know absolutely nothing about. My son has trained with and played for True Lacrosse in Illinois for 5 years now and has done so with the same group of boys he started with - every one of which is still 14yrs old(or younger) and has a graduation year of 2021. They bust their butts nearly year-round under the instruction of True's 2 founders which not only both played D1, but also each played 9yrs in the MLL. They decided to take the game they know and love and grow it in the Midwest where I have to tell you - it has blown up. Believe me when I tell you we have been told far too many times that Midwest kids can't compete with the East Coast in lacrosse!! And our kids hate hearing it!

So to respond to a few of the comments above:

**** "How does a team from Illinois that didn't even win a B 2021 tournament on LI in the fall, make the finals of Naptown nine months later? Please tell." - This one I am happy to explain. True Lacrosse in Illinois alone has several Regional Teams(North Stars, Northwest, West Elite, South, etc....) which cover all of the various suburbs of Chicago........then there are their State Teams which are like "All Star" teams picked from ALL of these Illinois Regional Teams at each age group to play in more serious tournaments(mostly East Coast)..........then there you have other states such as True Indiana, True Idaho, True Michigan, True Kentucky, and so on and so forth..............and THEN their is True National which is selected from a mini tournament/tryout from ALL of the above and plays in 1 and 1 only tournament per year!! That is the team that you saw playing Eclipse in the championship! This happens at every age group and therefore they don't need to pick a bunch of older players and pretend they're 14 - they pick them from HUNDREDS of talented 14yr olds that work extremely hard to be there. So you may have seen a True team that didn't even win in the B division at one of your tournaments, but no 2 teams that go out East are EVER the same because when we come to your tournaments - we fly(or drive 12-14hrs) and we stay in hotels and not every family can spend both the money and the entire summer away from home so our kids can play lacrosse.

**** "Yeah it's a real mystery how true national all of a sudden is the best at most age levels. Must be something in the water out there" - I don't think it's a mystery and I doubt there is anything special in our water - I just know they train hard in every age group from U7 through high school. Where you may have 20 really strong lacrosse clubs to split your talent up - we only have a few. True happens to be the one that wants to test it's talent against the best. This should be a compliment to all of you. We would be happy to have any/all East Coast teams come to Chicago for a tournament, but something tells me you won't want to spend money on flights and hotels like we do each and every time we play you. And it's not really "all of the sudden".

**** "both teams also had many 16 years olds that were 2019 kids" - I can't speak for Eclipse because I have no idea what age their boys were, but that is absolute lie when it comes to True Lacrosse. You can look at our rosters year after year and see 90% of the same names. I am only aware of 2 kids in all of True Illinois who have "re-classed" and neither of them was on this team - it just isn't a "thing" you see done here.

So I hope this novel I've written(which was very therapeutic for me) helps to dispel some of the rumors etc..... you have about True Lacrosse. It should be exciting for you to know the sport is growing and improving around the country and not just in your backyards. Best of luck to all of your sons' in their remaining tournaments!

While I appreciateand accept your very well detailed answers and also understand these are national teams from out of your organization, there were older kids on the team. I have no issue and congratulate your boys on hitting the finals. However, we were talking to a parent on your team whose younger son is older than 8 of our players on 2021 and plays for True 2022.
So while I get your explanations, and I am happy the boys did well, I am sure if we went through the USL numbers of your rostered players, we wouldn't be surprised to see kids 12-18 months older in the 'mix.

No sour grapes here, we play what you bring and don't complain, but I think you are kidding yourself somewhat.

My son is a 2020 and last summer it was totally crazy how many coaches were on the sidelines, this summer a few here and there. Any my son is on a team that is playing at all the top events. Has there been any coaches on the 2021 sidelines? I am super happy about the fact that is does look like the coaches are following the new rules. I have to also say, I have noticed plenty of 2029 "commits" having less than stellar summers. Looks like the pressure may be getting to some of them, IMO air looks like they are trying to do too much. Also, some of the "commits" that are older have now lost their edge and are really struggling. Just my observation, anyone else have input?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So I just stumbled onto this thread by accident as I was simply trying to find a replay of the True National 2021 vs. Eclipse championship game played in Annapolis yesterday. My wife flew out east(from Chicago) with my son and I wasn't able to be there and see him play. It's pretty shocking to pull something like this up and see a bunch of garbage assumptions and accusations about a team you know absolutely nothing about. My son has trained with and played for True Lacrosse in Illinois for 5 years now and has done so with the same group of boys he started with - every one of which is still 14yrs old(or younger) and has a graduation year of 2021. They bust their butts nearly year-round under the instruction of True's 2 founders which not only both played D1, but also each played 9yrs in the MLL. They decided to take the game they know and love and grow it in the Midwest where I have to tell you - it has blown up. Believe me when I tell you we have been told far too many times that Midwest kids can't compete with the East Coast in lacrosse!! And our kids hate hearing it!

So to respond to a few of the comments above:

**** "How does a team from Illinois that didn't even win a B 2021 tournament on LI in the fall, make the finals of Naptown nine months later? Please tell." - This one I am happy to explain. True Lacrosse in Illinois alone has several Regional Teams(North Stars, Northwest, West Elite, South, etc....) which cover all of the various suburbs of Chicago........then there are their State Teams which are like "All Star" teams picked from ALL of these Illinois Regional Teams at each age group to play in more serious tournaments(mostly East Coast)..........then there you have other states such as True Indiana, True Idaho, True Michigan, True Kentucky, and so on and so forth..............and THEN their is True National which is selected from a mini tournament/tryout from ALL of the above and plays in 1 and 1 only tournament per year!! That is the team that you saw playing Eclipse in the championship! This happens at every age group and therefore they don't need to pick a bunch of older players and pretend they're 14 - they pick them from HUNDREDS of talented 14yr olds that work extremely hard to be there. So you may have seen a True team that didn't even win in the B division at one of your tournaments, but no 2 teams that go out East are EVER the same because when we come to your tournaments - we fly(or drive 12-14hrs) and we stay in hotels and not every family can spend both the money and the entire summer away from home so our kids can play lacrosse.

**** "Yeah it's a real mystery how true national all of a sudden is the best at most age levels. Must be something in the water out there" - I don't think it's a mystery and I doubt there is anything special in our water - I just know they train hard in every age group from U7 through high school. Where you may have 20 really strong lacrosse clubs to split your talent up - we only have a few. True happens to be the one that wants to test it's talent against the best. This should be a compliment to all of you. We would be happy to have any/all East Coast teams come to Chicago for a tournament, but something tells me you won't want to spend money on flights and hotels like we do each and every time we play you. And it's not really "all of the sudden".

**** "both teams also had many 16 years olds that were 2019 kids" - I can't speak for Eclipse because I have no idea what age their boys were, but that is absolute lie when it comes to True Lacrosse. You can look at our rosters year after year and see 90% of the same names. I am only aware of 2 kids in all of True Illinois who have "re-classed" and neither of them was on this team - it just isn't a "thing" you see done here.

So I hope this novel I've written(which was very therapeutic for me) helps to dispel some of the rumors etc..... you have about True Lacrosse. It should be exciting for you to know the sport is growing and improving around the country and not just in your backyards. Best of luck to all of your sons' in their remaining tournaments!

Talk to the parents on your True team. They were the ones that said the team was older " but legal" at Naptown. Last year they were older too. They played in PA last year and those parents admitted they were older except that was True Illinois. There are also kids on your 2022 team that would be 2020 in New [lacrosse]. Next year you may want to tell the parents not to talk.

My son is a 2021 that has been to all the top tournaments and showcases this year, including Showtime. Barely any coaches have been watching from what I can see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a 2020 and last summer it was totally crazy how many coaches were on the sidelines, this summer a few here and there. Any my son is on a team that is playing at all the top events. Has there been any coaches on the 2021 sidelines? I am super happy about the fact that is does look like the coaches are following the new rules. I have to also say, I have noticed plenty of 2029 "commits" having less than stellar summers. Looks like the pressure may be getting to some of them, IMO air looks like they are trying to do too much. Also, some of the "commits" that are older have now lost their edge and are really struggling. Just my observation, anyone else have input?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a 2020 and last summer it was totally crazy how many coaches were on the sidelines, this summer a few here and there. Any my son is on a team that is playing at all the top events. Has there been any coaches on the 2021 sidelines? I am super happy about the fact that is does look like the coaches are following the new rules. I have to also say, I have noticed plenty of 2029 "commits" having less than stellar summers. Looks like the pressure may be getting to some of them, IMO air looks like they are trying to do too much. Also, some of the "commits" that are older have now lost their edge and are really struggling. Just my observation, anyone else have input?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a 2020 and last summer it was totally crazy how many coaches were on the sidelines, this summer a few here and there. Any my son is on a team that is playing at all the top events. Has there been any coaches on the 2021 sidelines? I am super happy about the fact that is does look like the coaches are following the new rules. I have to also say, I have noticed plenty of 2029 "commits" having less than stellar summers. Looks like the pressure may be getting to some of them, IMO air looks like they are trying to do too much. Also, some of the "commits" that are older have now lost their edge and are really struggling. Just my observation, anyone else have input?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a 2020 and last summer it was totally crazy how many coaches were on the sidelines, this summer a few here and there. Any my son is on a team that is playing at all the top events. Has there been any coaches on the 2021 sidelines? I am super happy about the fact that is does look like the coaches are following the new rules. I have to also say, I have noticed plenty of 2029 "commits" having less than stellar summers. Looks like the pressure may be getting to some of them, IMO air looks like they are trying to do too much. Also, some of the "commits" that are older have now lost their edge and are really struggling. Just my observation, anyone else have input?

Empire playing A at NLF this weekend. Good to see they are not planing B. Some very good teams playing in A . Is this a recruitment event with college coaches?

No coaches in sight for 2021

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No coaches in sight for 2021

That is everywhere. Seems 2021 not getting looks. Makes sense. Those kids will change so much in the next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No coaches in sight for 2021

That is everywhere. Seems 2021 not getting looks. Makes sense. Those kids will change so much in the next year.

Totally they way it should be - let 15 year olds just play the game! Even without the prospects of recruiting, they can still strive to be the best they can be and develop, but they don;t have the unnecessary stresses that go along with the early recruiting. Unfortunately, there are some parents out there pulling their hair out because Johnny isn't getting attention and can't now get that early commitment!

you mean 14 year olds, right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you mean 14 year olds, right?

Was referencing 2021s, who are all moving to the next season at this point - tryouts already starting, so referring to them as 15 year olds seems appropriate. But yes, the 2022s are now 14 year olds then. That said, the 2021s, like the 2020s this past season, should get to just play for the sake of playing also. That's what the whole NCAA rule change gets at.

Our 2021 team does not have one 15 year old yet, I understand that by end of 2017 the team if it stays the same will have one which has a Dec 2002 birthday. I called our director and asked for our team and I wrote this as just curious of the few previous posts which said 15 year olds for 2021 and 14 for 2022 teams as my son is turning 14 in Oct of this year. Was out at the NLF tourney this weekend and saw the size and maturity of some of the 2021 kids on some of the teams like Eclipse, Team 91, the Boston Black team (what a difference in size and maturity as compared to their yellow team in the same 2021 year) , just curious the actually age of some of them. I know this is when their body changes. One of the other parents said they thought some of the kids were already 15 and turning 16, on some of the teams. Does anyone know when rosters are submitted are birthdates included. Also who runs the NLF as I thought it was strange that Team 91 played one tough game in league play and the other tougher teams played each other. As they lost to Eclipse but yet made the playoffs and Eclipse did not and they had the same 3-1 record but Eclipse played tougher teams. Another game which seemed spirited was Express losing to Icon, for the most part can't say I saw any kids I thought were 15-16 years on either of those teams.

What do folks think of the Warrior NPI going on down in Richmond today and tomorrow?

PS - Regarding age, I understand the trend among private schools is that boys born April - Summer start school late. So that would account for a number of kids playing 2021 this Summer as 15-year olds. If a kid "reclasses," then he would have been 16. I can't imagine why you'd hold back a kid who started school late like that, but who knows?

BTW, nice job this weekend to Igloo Avalanche for bringing in Black Ice kids to play . . .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do folks think of the Warrior NPI going on down in Richmond today and tomorrow?

PS - Regarding age, I understand the trend among private schools is that boys born April - Summer start school late. So that would account for a number of kids playing 2021 this Summer as 15-year olds. If a kid "reclasses," then he would have been 16. I can't imagine why you'd hold back a kid who started school late like that, but who knows?

16 year olds playing 2021??? wth, my older son is a committed 17 year old 2018, some of his fellow rising senior friends are still 16. Some kid is going to really get hurt out there. This is just insanity now. If my kid got injured by some kid playing down two plus years, I'd have to kick the father's [lacrosse]. Sorry would have to happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BTW, nice job this weekend to Igloo Avalanche for bringing in Black Ice kids to play . . .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Our 2021 team does not have one 15 year old yet, I understand that by end of 2017 the team if it stays the same will have one which has a Dec 2002 birthday. I called our director and asked for our team and I wrote this as just curious of the few previous posts which said 15 year olds for 2021 and 14 for 2022 teams as my son is turning 14 in Oct of this year. Was out at the NLF tourney this weekend and saw the size and maturity of some of the 2021 kids on some of the teams like Eclipse, Team 91, the Boston Black team (what a difference in size and maturity as compared to their yellow team in the same 2021 year) , just curious the actually age of some of them. I know this is when their body changes. One of the other parents said they thought some of the kids were already 15 and turning 16, on some of the teams. Does anyone know when rosters are submitted are birthdates included. Also who runs the NLF as I thought it was strange that Team 91 played one tough game in league play and the other tougher teams played each other. As they lost to Eclipse but yet made the playoffs and Eclipse did not and they had the same 3-1 record but Eclipse played tougher teams. Another game which seemed spirited was Express losing to Icon, for the most part can't say I saw any kids I thought were 15-16 years on either of those teams.

Icon and I would guess Express are the correct age but there are some who say that Express has a couple of older kids but I don't know for sure. We all do know that the off Long Island top teams are all mostly 15/16. If you saw these kids you would not believe they are 2021. Blaze has a few older kids and Igloo is all correct age albeit many kids who would be 2020 in other states. Over the next two years the older teams will be winning these tournaments. By 11th grade long Island teams will catch up to the older teams and dominate like they did before this year when the re classed kids played as 8th graders for the second time or even double hold backs played as eighth graders for the third time.

91 changed the rules at NLF to allow them to move through..Rules clearly stated that head to head were the tie breakers...Eclipse beat 9-8 on Saturday..If the rules were followed Eclipse should have been the 2 seed and then goal differential would decide the 3 seed between HHH and 91..so typical of 91...TOTAL BS MOVE...

The Tourney Machine bracket initially had Eclipse and Big 4 HHH in the playoff. Then it was changed. 91 was in and Eclipse was out, even though Eclipse beat 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Tourney Machine bracket initially had Eclipse and Big 4 HHH in the playoff. Then it was changed. 91 was in and Eclipse was out, even though Eclipse beat 91.

One team 4-0 and three teams 3-1. Head to head did not apply, because neither Eclipse nor 91 played HHH in pool play. The next determining factor was goal differential which put 91 and HHH in the playoffs. This should have been explained thoroughly in the rules. It was not. The way this went down was a problem and it is hard to believe Eclipse was excluded from the playoffs. But this is not some conspiracy by 91 to exclude Eclipse; to my understanding they are both members of the NLF. The real issue was why 91 and Eclipse were not scheduled to play HHH in pool play and what teams were placed in what divisions. Clearly the one division was stronger than the other. Eclipse is a great team but they failed to beat Madlax when push came to shove. All they had to do was win that game and they would have made the playoffs. Goal differential would not have come into play.

NOT TRUE...If the rules said tie breaker then your theory makes sense..Rules clearly say tiebreakers..therefore head to head clearly comes into play...NICE TRY....

I'm the author of the post about Tourney Machine. Just noting it was a little odd that the tournament directors themselves appeared not to know how to apply the rules.

Putting that aside, it was a terrific tournament. 91-Eclipse, Madlax-Eclipse, Leading Edge-HHH, and both Madlax-HHH games were very well played, tightly contested games. All four of those clubs got what they came for, top competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NOT TRUE...If the rules said tie breaker then your theory makes sense..Rules clearly say tiebreakers..therefore head to head clearly comes into play...NICE TRY....

I did not try anything. Read my statement. This is what happened. It is not theory. The rules were ambiguous. In my personal intereptation, 91 can't make the playoffs if Eclipse doesn't. Eclipse in on head to head. 91 in over HHH on goal differential. HHH out. That's how I saw it. The organizers who established the rules made the call. Their rules, their interpretation, their decision. NLF made the decision, not 91. Again, beat Madlax and your destiny is in your hands. Stop complaining, it's contagious.

What would be the rankings among Long Island teams

Head to head is out because the 3 teams- 91, Eclipse, HHH- did not play each other. Eclipse had the worst goal differential and the worst goals allowed amongst the 3. Eclipse did beat 91 but you can not bring head to head into play when the tie breaker is amongst 3 teams with 1 loss.

How can you use head to head in a 3 way tie when on of the 3 didn't play the other 2?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Head to head is out because the 3 teams- 91, Eclipse, HHH- did not play each other. Eclipse had the worst goal differential and the worst goals allowed amongst the 3. Eclipse did beat 91 but you can not bring head to head into play when the tie breaker is amongst 3 teams with 1 loss.

Exactly - anyone who has ever played in a competitive tournament should know/understand this. This happens all the time that there are 3+ teams that have the same record, but because they have not all played each other, the first tie break (head to head) cannot apply and you must then move on to whatever is next (sometimes goals against, sometimes goal differential). THAT is the real thing that must be paid attention to in these tournaments as there is quite a difference between goals against and goal differential in terms of teams' performances.

Rankings among LI teams is Team 91 is in a class by themselves (whether or not they have older kids, don't know ) but they are clearly the top team, Igloo is next they are clearly the next team, with Icon beating Express would have to assume they are next followed by Express, then I saw LI Empire and thought they were pretty good, guessing GC34, Outlaws top team, then ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rankings among LI teams is Team 91 is in a class by themselves (whether or not they have older kids, don't know ) but they are clearly the top team, Igloo is next they are clearly the next team, with Icon beating Express would have to assume they are next followed by Express, then I saw LI Empire and thought they were pretty good, guessing GC34, Outlaws top team, then ?

Blaze over Igloo easy. Igloo's days of dominating the class are over. Express is not playing good right now but they are missing several top players to injuries. Different team when healthy. There isn't enough data on Icon, don't really see them anywhere. Also, enough with the "older kids" caveat, they're going into 9th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rankings among LI teams is Team 91 is in a class by themselves (whether or not they have older kids, don't know ) but they are clearly the top team, Igloo is next they are clearly the next team, with Icon beating Express would have to assume they are next followed by Express, then I saw LI Empire and thought they were pretty good, guessing GC34, Outlaws top team, then ?

Blaze over Igloo easy. Igloo's days of dominating the class are over. Express is not playing good right now but they are missing several top players to injuries. Different team when healthy. There isn't enough data on Icon, don't really see them anywhere. Also, enough with the "older kids" caveat, they're going into 9th grade.

With or without Blaze's double holdback?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rankings among LI teams is Team 91 is in a class by themselves (whether or not they have older kids, don't know ) but they are clearly the top team, Igloo is next they are clearly the next team, with Icon beating Express would have to assume they are next followed by Express, then I saw LI Empire and thought they were pretty good, guessing GC34, Outlaws top team, then ?

Blaze over Igloo easy. Igloo's days of dominating the class are over. Express is not playing good right now but they are missing several top players to injuries. Different team when healthy. There isn't enough data on Icon, don't really see them anywhere. Also, enough with the "older kids" caveat, they're going into 9th grade.

With or without Blaze's double holdback?

With and without.

In rhe championships of a B level bracket. I feel for the kids who are really a part of that team who rode the bench to allow Fat Mike and AA's kids to dominate the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rankings among LI teams is Team 91 is in a class by themselves (whether or not they have older kids, don't know ) but they are clearly the top team, Igloo is next they are clearly the next team, with Icon beating Express would have to assume they are next followed by Express, then I saw LI Empire and thought they were pretty good, guessing GC34, Outlaws top team, then ?

Blaze over Igloo easy. Igloo's days of dominating the class are over. Express is not playing good right now but they are missing several top players to injuries. Different team when healthy. There isn't enough data on Icon, don't really see them anywhere. Also, enough with the "older kids" caveat, they're going into 9th grade.

In other words, yes they're older....

Super Teams, that's what one Dad told me, teams from out west come to the North East to play the best teams in the country. In order to make it worth their while they are now creating Super Teams, the best players in 3 to 4 surrounding states. It makes sense, and parents and kids can hold their heads up.

No one wants to get their [lacrosse] kicked over and over and over. It's not a secret, it's what they need to do to be competitive when they come East!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Super Teams, that's what one Dad told me, teams from out west come to the North East to play the best teams in the country. In order to make it worth their while they are now creating Super Teams, the best players in 3 to 4 surrounding states. It makes sense, and parents and kids can hold their heads up.

No one wants to get their [lacrosse] kicked over and over and over. It's not a secret, it's what they need to do to be competitive when they come East!

These teams are taking kids from all over the country not just surrounding area have mostly 15 year olds and some 16 year old. They have few 14 year olds and no 13 year olds. It is how they compete with the north east teams.

The team that does that from LI is The Sting. Take kids from all over the country to play for them. Mostly a high school and PG team. My son played for them as a 10 th grader and had kids who were 19 and 20 on his team. The kids were from Texas, Virginia, Calif, NJ, Westchester, CT. Cost a lot to play and travel. In the end, kids from LI dominated and the out of state kids sometimes never saw the field. Also, the team size for tournaments was 40 to 45 players. Only the favorites or the parents who paid the recruiting counseling fee saw the field. What an experience! My opinion, work on the grades, will go a lot farther and produce more opportunities.

Whats going on over at Igl@@. They sent an email out to all the Avalanche parents saying they were not having the team this year. thats a whole bunch of kids now without a team. And a whole bunch of kids that tried out to make that team only to find out there was no team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whats going on over at Igl@@. They sent an email out to all the Avalanche parents saying they were not having the team this year. thats a whole bunch of kids now without a team. And a whole bunch of kids that tried out to make that team only to find out there was no team.

If true that sucks. Why would they eliminate a team. Did they give a reason

Go to Tide try outs.

Who is tide ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is tide ?

Avalanche had issues with kids showing up to practice. I'm sure they want to start over or just focus on Black Ice. I never heard of tide. Who are they and what do they offer that other teams don't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is tide ?

Avalanche had issues with kids showing up to practice. I'm sure they want to start over or just focus on Black Ice. I never heard of tide. Who are they and what do they offer that other teams don't.

Who is the new coach going to be of Black Ice?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is tide ?

Avalanche had issues with kids showing up to practice. I'm sure they want to start over or just focus on Black Ice. I never heard of tide. Who are they and what do they offer that other teams don't.

Who is the new coach going to be of Black Ice?

AA wouldn't stay on?

LI Tide is a great opportunity. great group with coaches that are in it for all the boys. Every weekend coaches were coming by to chat with the coaches about the boys. of course the boys were a great bunch - by design. that's how the tide rolls.

Long Island Tide just graduated 40 seniors and the coach is coming back to coach a 2020 team and a 2021 team. Those 40 seniors included 25 D1, 5 D2, and 10 D3 commits. Coach Kaffl's passion for the game is second to none and he has contacts all across college lacrosse. Not only is Tide great in terms of college and exposure, with Tide you choose which tournaments you attend and pay for each separately, giving you the opportunity to save money in the expensive world of summer lacrosse. Highly recommend giving it a shot. The seniors got on board with Tide going into their sophomore years of high school, right in the middle of the early recruiting frenzy. Although risky, it paid dividends in the long run. Don't be afraid to join a newer team like this. The track record speaks for itself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island Tide just graduated 40 seniors and the coach is coming back to coach a 2020 team and a 2021 team. Those 40 seniors included 25 D1, 5 D2, and 10 D3 commits. Coach Kaffl's passion for the game is second to none and he has contacts all across college lacrosse. Not only is Tide great in terms of college and exposure, with Tide you choose which tournaments you attend and pay for each separately, giving you the opportunity to save money in the expensive world of summer lacrosse. Highly recommend giving it a shot. The seniors got on board with Tide going into their sophomore years of high school, right in the middle of the early recruiting frenzy. Although risky, it paid dividends in the long run. Don't be afraid to join a newer team like this. The track record speaks for itself.

What is there website? and where do they practice?

They practice in Glen Cove. Not sure about website. They are playing this weekend still looking for a couple of players.

Bill Tierney

Very well said. I am a Tide parent who can wholeheartedly recommend this organization. There's none of the BS that's so common with other clubs. Kevin treats every kid like a son, and wants success for ALL all team members. My son loved playing with the Tide, and he continues to play on the summer league team at Cantiague.

Long Island Tide is a phenomenal organization. My son played for the original and only 2017 team. Coach is in it for all the right reason, purely the love of the sport, the competition and the boys. My son played all through HS and it was the best decision ever. Majority of the boys on team all went to D1 schools. Coach Kaffl is starting again for 2020 and 2021.
I would recommend anyone looking for a solid team, and a positive lacrosse experience, to look into The Long Island Tide. Wish we were still playing.

I don't think they have a website. Look at tryout info for contact info.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whats going on over at Igl@@. They sent an email out to all the Avalanche parents saying they were not having the team this year. thats a whole bunch of kids now without a team. And a whole bunch of kids that tried out to make that team only to find out there was no team.

If true that sucks. Why would they eliminate a team. Did they give a reason

Email went out saying that they are going to combine the teams. Have 1 team of the best players. Roster will be 30-35 players. Yeah, I would sign up for that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Tide is a great opportunity. great group with coaches that are in it for all the boys. Every weekend coaches were coming by to chat with the coaches about the boys. of course the boys were a great bunch - by design. that's how the tide rolls.

I think I'm gonna hurl. This quote can cause diabetes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whats going on over at Igl@@. They sent an email out to all the Avalanche parents saying they were not having the team this year. thats a whole bunch of kids now without a team. And a whole bunch of kids that tried out to make that team only to find out there was no team.

If true that sucks. Why would they eliminate a team. Did they give a reason

Email went out saying that they are going to combine the teams. Have 1 team of the best players. Roster will be 30-35 players. Yeah, I would sign up for that.

Who is coach going to be?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Tide is a great opportunity. great group with coaches that are in it for all the boys. Every weekend coaches were coming by to chat with the coaches about the boys. of course the boys were a great bunch - by design. that's how the tide rolls.

I think I'm gonna hurl. This quote can cause diabetes.

Sounds like the PR department is in full drive

So they are doing what Express does?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whats going on over at Igl@@. They sent an email out to all the Avalanche parents saying they were not having the team this year. thats a whole bunch of kids now without a team. And a whole bunch of kids that tried out to make that team only to find out there was no team.

If true that sucks. Why would they eliminate a team. Did they give a reason

Email went out saying that they are going to combine the teams. Have 1 team of the best players. Roster will be 30-35 players. Yeah, I would sign up for that.

Yeah, you can stay be the 35th kid on igloo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whats going on over at Igl@@. They sent an email out to all the Avalanche parents saying they were not having the team this year. thats a whole bunch of kids now without a team. And a whole bunch of kids that tried out to make that team only to find out there was no team.

If true that sucks. Why would they eliminate a team. Did they give a reason

Email went out saying that they are going to combine the teams. Have 1 team of the best players. Roster will be 30-35 players. Yeah, I would sign up for that.

There will be an Avalanche team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, you can stay be the 35th kid on igloo

Isn't that what Express does with every top team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whats going on over at Igl@@. They sent an email out to all the Avalanche parents saying they were not having the team this year. thats a whole bunch of kids now without a team. And a whole bunch of kids that tried out to make that team only to find out there was no team.

If true that sucks. Why would they eliminate a team. Did they give a reason

Email went out saying that they are going to combine the teams. Have 1 team of the best players. Roster will be 30-35 players. Yeah, I would sign up for that.

There will be an Avalanche team

Word is that the team was a [lacrosse] show this past season - kids not showing up for practices, tournaments, etc. The real question is was it the coaching or the kids? If the former, anyone getting involved is likely to see the same eventual [lacrosse] show; if the latter, then maybe they needed to clean house and start over, but, you're talking 100% turnover at this point!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, you can stay be the 35th kid on igloo

Isn't that what Express does with every top team?

No - Express has a 36th, 37th, 38th, and 39th kid, too . . . and truly only on one team! Sign me up for that!! ;-)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whats going on over at Igl@@. They sent an email out to all the Avalanche parents saying they were not having the team this year. thats a whole bunch of kids now without a team. And a whole bunch of kids that tried out to make that team only to find out there was no team.

If true that sucks. Why would they eliminate a team. Did they give a reason

Email went out saying that they are going to combine the teams. Have 1 team of the best players. Roster will be 30-35 players. Yeah, I would sign up for that.

There will be an Avalanche team

Word is that the team was a [lacrosse] show this past season - kids not showing up for practices, tournaments, etc. The real question is was it the coaching or the kids? If the former, anyone getting involved is likely to see the same eventual [lacrosse] show; if the latter, then maybe they needed to clean house and start over, but, you're talking 100% turnover at this point!

AVALANCHE WILL BE BACK BETTER THEN BEFORE .... YOU WILL SOON SEE...stay tuned for details

Tide team
5 attack
5 Defence
6 middie
2 goalies
1 FO ( maybe)
1 LP middie

That's it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whats going on over at Igl@@. They sent an email out to all the Avalanche parents saying they were not having the team this year. thats a whole bunch of kids now without a team. And a whole bunch of kids that tried out to make that team only to find out there was no team.

If true that sucks. Why would they eliminate a team. Did they give a reason

Email went out saying that they are going to combine the teams. Have 1 team of the best players. Roster will be 30-35 players. Yeah, I would sign up for that.

There will be an Avalanche team

Word is that the team was a [lacrosse] show this past season - kids not showing up for practices, tournaments, etc. The real question is was it the coaching or the kids? If the former, anyone getting involved is likely to see the same eventual [lacrosse] show; if the latter, then maybe they needed to clean house and start over, but, you're talking 100% turnover at this point!

Parents were complaining about the coaching, or lack there of.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whats going on over at Igl@@. They sent an email out to all the Avalanche parents saying they were not having the team this year. thats a whole bunch of kids now without a team. And a whole bunch of kids that tried out to make that team only to find out there was no team.

If true that sucks. Why would they eliminate a team. Did they give a reason

Email went out saying that they are going to combine the teams. Have 1 team of the best players. Roster will be 30-35 players. Yeah, I would sign up for that.

There will be an Avalanche team

Word is that the team was a [lacrosse] show this past season - kids not showing up for practices, tournaments, etc. The real question is was it the coaching or the kids? If the former, anyone getting involved is likely to see the same eventual [lacrosse] show; if the latter, then maybe they needed to clean house and start over, but, you're talking 100% turnover at this point!

AVALANCHE WILL BE BACK BETTER THEN BEFORE .... YOU WILL SOON SEE...stay tuned for details

If you are a former player's parent, why would you go back to that mess after what happened, and where all of these new players come from? If you are not a parent of a former player, why do you care?? As an aside, it appears that there are at least a handful of kids (and parents) from that team - solid players - that are now totally turned off of travel lax in general - nice job!

imagine if you were on Avalanche for a few years and now you have lost your team in 9th grade. Talk about screwed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

imagine if you were on Avalanche for a few years and now you have lost your team in 9th grade. Talk about screwed

Not sure what you are talking about got call there will be a team and they mentioned new coach name Jack Kaley

Originally Posted by Anonymous

imagine if you were on Avalanche for a few years and now you have lost your team in 9th grade. Talk about screwed

A few have found homes with other teams already. Some of the players tried to leave last year, but couldn't find a better home. Now they will have no choice. Such a shame to have to make moves at this age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tide team
5 attack
5 Defence
6 middie
2 goalies
1 FO ( maybe)
1 LP middie

That's it

Is this a team that kids play on in addition to their primary travel team, or in place of? If you are on one of the better teams, why would you move?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

imagine if you were on Avalanche for a few years and now you have lost your team in 9th grade. Talk about screwed

Not sure what you are talking about got call there will be a team and they mentioned new coach name Jack Kaley

Who is going to coach Black Ice?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

imagine if you were on Avalanche for a few years and now you have lost your team in 9th grade. Talk about screwed

A few have found homes with other teams already. Some of the players tried to leave last year, but couldn't find a better home. Now they will have no choice. Such a shame to have to make moves at this age.

Not sure what you are talking about got call there will be a team and they mentioned new coach name Jack Kaley ...... hope you guys all found great places to play we are gonna stay right here with this new coach

The Wizard of Oz

Originally Posted by Anonymous

imagine if you were on Avalanche for a few years and now you have lost your team in 9th grade. Talk about screwed

Not sure what you are talking about got call there will be a team and they mentioned new coach name Jack Kaley

Who is going to coach Black Ice?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

imagine if you were on Avalanche for a few years and now you have lost your team in 9th grade. Talk about screwed

A few have found homes with other teams already. Some of the players tried to leave last year, but couldn't find a better home. Now they will have no choice. Such a shame to have to make moves at this age.

Not sure what you are talking about got call there will be a team and they mentioned new coach name Jack Kaley ...... hope you guys all found great places to play we are gonna stay right here with this new coach

Glad to hear that they are doing something. My son is friends with some of those boys and they were pretty broken up when they heard they were abandoning the team. Hope it works out for them, really good players.

Why doesn't black ice have a coach???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

imagine if you were on Avalanche for a few years and now you have lost your team in 9th grade. Talk about screwed

Not sure what you are talking about got call there will be a team and they mentioned new coach name Jack Kaley

Who is going to coach Black Ice?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

imagine if you were on Avalanche for a few years and now you have lost your team in 9th grade. Talk about screwed

A few have found homes with other teams already. Some of the players tried to leave last year, but couldn't find a better home. Now they will have no choice. Such a shame to have to make moves at this age.

Not sure what you are talking about got call there will be a team and they mentioned new coach name Jack Kaley ...... hope you guys all found great places to play we are gonna stay right here with this new coach

Glad to hear that they are doing something. My son is friends with some of those boys and they were pretty broken up when they heard they were abandoning the team. Hope it works out for them, really good players.

The poster is just having fun at your expense. Pretty sure that is not an Avalanche dad posting.

Just another example of AA promising the world and it not coming true. This will be the 1st of many Igloo teams that will fold

Originally Posted by Anonymous

imagine if you were on Avalanche for a few years and now you have lost your team in 9th grade. Talk about screwed

A few have found homes with other teams already. Some of the players tried to leave last year, but couldn't find a better home. Now they will have no choice. Such a shame to have to make moves at this age.

Not sure what you are talking about got call there will be a team and they mentioned new coach name Jack Kaley ...... hope you guys all found great places to play we are gonna stay right here with this new coach

Glad to hear that they are doing something. My son is friends with some of those boys and they were pretty broken up when they heard they were abandoning the team. Hope it works out for them, really good players.

The poster is just having fun at your expense. Pretty sure that is not an Avalanche dad posting.

We will see there will be an announcement in next couple of days . Make sure u come back on at that point and apologize not wasting my time on here have fun at the expense of others more importantly the kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just another example of AA promising the world and it not coming true. This will be the 1st of many Igloo teams that will fold

AA is a man of his word if he says he is going to do something he does ... ya it's a business but he cares about the kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whats going on over at Igl@@. They sent an email out to all the Avalanche parents saying they were not having the team this year. thats a whole bunch of kids now without a team. And a whole bunch of kids that tried out to make that team only to find out there was no team.

If true that sucks. Why would they eliminate a team. Did they give a reason

Email went out saying that they are going to combine the teams. Have 1 team of the best players. Roster will be 30-35 players. Yeah, I would sign up for that.

There will be an Avalanche team

Word is that the team was a [lacrosse] show this past season - kids not showing up for practices, tournaments, etc. The real question is was it the coaching or the kids? If the former, anyone getting involved is likely to see the same eventual [lacrosse] show; if the latter, then maybe they needed to clean house and start over, but, you're talking 100% turnover at this point!

When you have 8-9 at practice regularly you know how that goes. Get rid of the family's that don't want to be there and get kids and family's that will be committed to their team!! Sports 101, it will work wonders!!!!!

kids dont want to go to practice, and the parents spend $3600.00 to be on the team and let them skip practice. Sucks for the kids that want to be there.

Talking to coaches from a few teams seems sign up numbers for try outs are down. As a prior post mentioned it is a bad move to make a change starting this year unless the situation is so bad a change must be made. Expect the be teams to remain the same talent wise as clubs are not looking to make changes either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talking to coaches from a few teams seems sign up numbers for try outs are down. As a prior post mentioned it is a bad move to make a change starting this year unless the situation is so bad a change must be made. Expect the be teams to remain the same talent wise as clubs are not looking to make changes either.

Not a bad move to stay when they are bringing in a Hall of fame 4x NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP coach Jack Kaley . Sounds like organization is making a commitment to those kids . Word is they are going to have a free separate tryout for that team on August 16th.

It's not about being on the best team any more. It's about playing time. No one gets recruited standing on the side lines of a good .team.

Looks like AA is trying to put a band aid on a situation that is already broken. You think that because you bring a big name in that your problems are solved. Really!!!!!!! Its about staying together over a period of time and developing as a team. Lets see how long Kaley stays. Your lucky if you get one year. Also who is really going to try out after all this. Typical AA get a BIG NAME pay him all sorts of $$$ and watch it fail.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like AA is trying to put a band aid on a situation that is already broken. You think that because you bring a big name in that your problems are solved. Really!!!!!!! Its about staying together over a period of time and developing as a team. Lets see how long Kaley stays. Your lucky if you get one year. Also who is really going to try out after all this. Typical AA get a BIG NAME pay him all sorts of $$$ and watch it fail.

Thanks for sharing ...now get to the beach with your kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like AA is trying to put a band aid on a situation that is already broken. You think that because you bring a big name in that your problems are solved. Really!!!!!!! Its about staying together over a period of time and developing as a team. Lets see how long Kaley stays. Your lucky if you get one year. Also who is really going to try out after all this. Typical AA get a BIG NAME pay him all sorts of $$$ and watch it fail.

True, over the years the best coaches my kids have had, were not the best players. In fact the "All Star" coaches turned out to be the worst. Playing and coaching are two entirely different things.

ok & you get to practice with 9 kids showing up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ok & you get to practice with 9 kids showing up.

Your son is more then welcome to come back to make 10 ...lol I am sure they will make adjustments and find committed families looking to be coached by Jack

But proven coaches turn so so teams into very good teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like AA is trying to put a band aid on a situation that is already broken. You think that because you bring a big name in that your problems are solved. Really!!!!!!! Its about staying together over a period of time and developing as a team. Lets see how long Kaley stays. Your lucky if you get one year. Also who is really going to try out after all this. Typical AA get a BIG NAME pay him all sorts of $$$ and watch it fail.

True, over the years the best coaches my kids have had, were not the best players. In fact the "All Star" coaches turned out to be the worst. Playing and coaching are two entirely different things.

Sounds like we as parents got taken for a ride. Not a good way to do business.

outlaws have 3 teams / come on down

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like we as parents got taken for a ride. Not a good way to do business.

To Where? Am I missing something

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like AA is trying to put a band aid on a situation that is already broken. You think that because you bring a big name in that your problems are solved. Really!!!!!!! Its about staying together over a period of time and developing as a team. Lets see how long Kaley stays. Your lucky if you get one year. Also who is really going to try out after all this. Typical AA get a BIG NAME pay him all sorts of $$$ and watch it fail.

True, over the years the best coaches my kids have had, were not the best players. In fact the "All Star" coaches turned out to be the worst. Playing and coaching are two entirely different things.

The problem is to send out an email saying that the team is being disbanded, only to come back and ask the same kids to come back because of the hall of fame coach. They will draw from other programs because there will be kids who want to step up to the bigger programs, and the ability to play for a professional coach instead of someone's dad. The problem is that the core of the team has been broken up, they are already looking to go to an established team that is looking to only fill a few holes. We will see what happens. I expect to see many Avalanche players trying out at 9d1, Express and Icon because of this experience.

To the poster who said ALL Star coach's make the worst coach's well how about Dave Petro at Hopkins and Gary Gait (womens) coach at SU, maybe two of the best if not the best players to play and now two of the top coach's in college. Also I would the Icon coach's(2021) over any club in country and they were two of the best ever to play. What they bring to table is unmatched for any youth program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the poster who said ALL Star coach's make the worst coach's well how about Dave Petro at Hopkins and Gary Gait (womens) coach at SU, maybe two of the best if not the best players to play and now two of the top coach's in college. Also I would the Icon coach's(2021) over any club in country and they were two of the best ever to play. What they bring to table is unmatched for any youth program.

No disrespect but the guy is 70 something years old how will he relate to 14 year old boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the poster who said ALL Star coach's make the worst coach's well how about Dave Petro at Hopkins and Gary Gait (womens) coach at SU, maybe two of the best if not the best players to play and now two of the top coach's in college. Also I would the Icon coach's(2021) over any club in country and they were two of the best ever to play. What they bring to table is unmatched for any youth program.

No disrespect but the guy is 70 something years old how will he relate to 14 year old boys.

You are saying Petro and Gait are 70 something years old? You have really got your head on wrong or you are 12 years old and to you anyone older than you is 70 years old. Petro has twin boys who are around 14 years old, has no problem relating to them. Now, if you are an adult, than you are simply a moron.

No big news yet. No Savior. No team. Time to move on.

If you read back you are the moron.
This conversation has nothing to do with the college coaches you are talking about. It's about igloo bringing in a 70 year old man (All-star) to coach 14 year olds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No big news yet. No Savior. No team. Time to move on.

Hope they aren't passing up tryouts waiting....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No big news yet. No Savior. No team. Time to move on.

Hope they aren't passing up tryouts waiting....

My son was on the team last year. They made a change they had to make - for the team, the boys and the organization - although it could have been done without all the BS. He's going back and given the changes I couldn't be happier - for now - let's see.

Just got this email from Igloo

IGLOO Lacrosse is Proud to Announce the addition of
JACK KALEY
(Four Time NCAA D2 Championship Coach & Four Time National Coach of the Year)
2021 Igloo Avalanche Head Coach!!! 

2021 Igloo Avalanche Team FREE tryout:
Date: August 16th
Time: 6pm-8pm
Location: St. Paul The Apostle Church
2534 Cedar Swamp Rd., Glen Head,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got this email from Igloo

IGLOO Lacrosse is Proud to Announce the addition of
JACK KALEY
(Four Time NCAA D2 Championship Coach & Four Time National Coach of the Year)
2021 Igloo Avalanche Head Coach!!! 

2021 Igloo Avalanche Team FREE tryout:
Date: August 16th
Time: 6pm-8pm
Location: St. Paul The Apostle Church
2534 Cedar Swamp Rd., Glen Head,

So the interesting question is now do they have the black ice expanded 30-35 man roster and now try and field the avalanche team in addition? Shrewd move if so. But telling everyone no avalanche this year and now jumping back in seems misguided and fragmented. After 3 years of avalanche not being all it was cracked up to be, I would think many leave.

Good luck to all, as long as the boys keep playing and are improving it's all that matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got this email from Igloo

IGLOO Lacrosse is Proud to Announce the addition of
JACK KALEY
(Four Time NCAA D2 Championship Coach & Four Time National Coach of the Year)
2021 Igloo Avalanche Head Coach!!! 

2021 Igloo Avalanche Team FREE tryout:
Date: August 16th
Time: 6pm-8pm
Location: St. Paul The Apostle Church
2534 Cedar Swamp Rd., Glen Head,

The guy looked OLD like 10 years ago!

Black Ice does not have 35 kids on roster ......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got this email from Igloo

IGLOO Lacrosse is Proud to Announce the addition of
JACK KALEY
(Four Time NCAA D2 Championship Coach & Four Time National Coach of the Year)
2021 Igloo Avalanche Head Coach!!! 

2021 Igloo Avalanche Team FREE tryout:
Date: August 16th
Time: 6pm-8pm
Location: St. Paul The Apostle Church
2534 Cedar Swamp Rd., Glen Head,

So the interesting question is now do they have the black ice expanded 30-35 man roster and now try and field the avalanche team in addition? Shrewd move if so. But telling everyone no avalanche this year and now jumping back in seems misguided and fragmented. After 3 years of avalanche not being all it was cracked up to be, I would think many leave.

Good luck to all, as long as the boys keep playing and are improving it's all that matters.

so then don't send your kid and go somewhere else

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got this email from Igloo

IGLOO Lacrosse is Proud to Announce the addition of
JACK KALEY
(Four Time NCAA D2 Championship Coach & Four Time National Coach of the Year)
2021 Igloo Avalanche Head Coach!!! 

2021 Igloo Avalanche Team FREE tryout:
Date: August 16th
Time: 6pm-8pm
Location: St. Paul The Apostle Church
2534 Cedar Swamp Rd., Glen Head,

The guy looked OLD like 10 years ago!

whoever stays stays , whoever leaves leaves this will be a very well coached team Jack is one of the most passionate guys you will meet specially about the game of lacrosse and more importantly one of the greatest teachers of the game. Either show or go my kid will be there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got this email from Igloo

IGLOO Lacrosse is Proud to Announce the addition of
JACK KALEY
(Four Time NCAA D2 Championship Coach & Four Time National Coach of the Year)
2021 Igloo Avalanche Head Coach!!! 

2021 Igloo Avalanche Team FREE tryout:
Date: August 16th
Time: 6pm-8pm
Location: St. Paul The Apostle Church
2534 Cedar Swamp Rd., Glen Head,

So the interesting question is now do they have the black ice expanded 30-35 man roster and now try and field the avalanche team in addition? Shrewd move if so. But telling everyone no avalanche this year and now jumping back in seems misguided and fragmented. After 3 years of avalanche not being all it was cracked up to be, I would think many leave.

Good luck to all, as long as the boys keep playing and are improving it's all that matters.