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Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse [Re: BoardLord] #294267
10/15/19 10:02 AM
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The whole AA, A, B thing is garbage. I've seen kids that were B players work hard switch teams and get on the A teams. Same for the the A player that doesn't work hard and get picked to go to B team. I think as parents we all place too much value on letters! My son was a B player and now plays A ball at a high level. Typically the coaching on the B teams is not even close to that of the A team. I know with Express who had 4 teams had 3 below average coaches and Chan team. I think they changed for the better putting on 2 teams out with high level talent and very good coaching!

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Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous] #294273
10/15/19 10:16 AM
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A lot of B team detest on some of these threads. If a kid is brand new to travel and gets placed on a B team at 9 years old, that's a waste of money? A and B pay same amount and B team seems to be good coaching so far.

Curious as to what the general consensus is on when it becomes a waste. Immediately? If kid doesn't move up to A in a year or 2? Do most good B players need to move teams for a shot at A or do you see them moved up often?


Sounds like your son is young. From our experience, not too many players move up. It does happen though and more likely the older they get, 8th grade and up.

B teams at Express is definitely a garbage shoot. Some great coaching some years, non-existent coaching other years. Unfortunately, most years they just don't keep the same coaching staff for the same B team. No continuity at all.

Don't accept a B team slot if Coach Chan says he will be the coach, total disaster. He does not have the patience to coach emerging players. He is all about his A teams. Eventually he will leave the B team high and dry.

As a B team family at Express, you need to be OK that the A team practices year round and gets indoor time over the winter for the same price as you pay. B teams rarely get extra practices, some years, you don't even get the tourneys you were promised.

The other issue with B teams at Express (and other clubs, I'm sure) is the team itself. Tryouts are a joke and no one gets cut. So it turns out that the bottom half of that B team has players that can't catch or throw the ball. The parents are just happy to be on the team and have no real interest in having their child improve. These families miss half of the practices but kids still play in tourneys. Disastrous during tourneys. Very frustrating for families that want the team and players to improve. I'm not saying win at all costs, I'm praying not to go 0-6 after a 5 hour drive to MD where the team goal differential is -50+. Rarely does Express put B teams in the proper tourneys so then there is a scramble to find less competitive tourneys for the team. Some years, it was week to week where we were going attend.

I will say that my son has had some great coaching and has improved greatly over the years at Express. His improvement is mostly due to a hand full of Express coaches and his work ethic with his stick skills.

Moving teams to find an A team is also very difficult.


Reality is you can find much better B teams outside the big organizations.
Better going to an organisation with only one team per age group whose team happens to be st B level. They end up more competitive and you pay much less.
Another problem with Express especially if CoachC is coaching the A team, they take double the amount of players for the A team from tryouts. Thus limiting any ability for the B team to field a decent team.
And if someone doesnt accept the B team slot, CoachC is more than willing to let you pay to go on the A team and practice but not actually play.
End result look for a good coach, but dont stay on the big organizations B teams. You are wasting your kids time. Let him enjoy playing lacrosse on a team where he has a chance to be competitive.

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Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous] #294276
10/15/19 10:21 AM
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The whole AA, A, B thing is garbage. I've seen kids that were B players work hard switch teams and get on the A teams. Same for the the A player that doesn't work hard and get picked to go to B team. I think as parents we all place too much value on letters! My son was a B player and now plays A ball at a high level. Typically the coaching on the B teams is not even close to that of the A team. I know with Express who had 4 teams had 3 below average coaches and Chan team. I think they changed for the better putting on 2 teams out with high level talent and very good coaching!


That seems to be the new model now, focus on talent and not money. If you notice there are a lot less teams than there were a few years ago. Meaning each organization had 3 teams per age group not the case anymore.

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10/15/19 10:48 AM
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The whole AA, A, B thing is garbage. I've seen kids that were B players work hard switch teams and get on the A teams. Same for the the A player that doesn't work hard and get picked to go to B team. I think as parents we all place too much value on letters! My son was a B player and now plays A ball at a high level. Typically the coaching on the B teams is not even close to that of the A team. I know with Express who had 4 teams had 3 below average coaches and Chan team. I think they changed for the better putting on 2 teams out with high level talent and very good coaching!


That seems to be the new model now, focus on talent and not money. If you notice there are a lot less teams than there were a few years ago. Meaning each organization had 3 teams per age group not the case anymore.


Not true. Express and the others are still doing it. Express just overloads there teams. And pretends they will split it.

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Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous] #294286
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The whole AA, A, B thing is garbage. I've seen kids that were B players work hard switch teams and get on the A teams. Same for the the A player that doesn't work hard and get picked to go to B team. I think as parents we all place too much value on letters! My son was a B player and now plays A ball at a high level. Typically the coaching on the B teams is not even close to that of the A team. I know with Express who had 4 teams had 3 below average coaches and Chan team. I think they changed for the better putting on 2 teams out with high level talent and very good coaching!


That seems to be the new model now, focus on talent and not money. If you notice there are a lot less teams than there were a few years ago. Meaning each organization had 3 teams per age group not the case anymore.


Not true. Express and the others are still doing it. Express just overloads there teams. And pretends they will split it.


I know your kid does not play for Express! This year that is not the case. Chan team has 30 and CoachMor team has 28. As of now those are the numbers, not sure how it will look at the end of the season.

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Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse [Re: BoardLord] #294289
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The whole AA, A, B thing is garbage. I've seen kids that were B players work hard switch teams and get on the A teams. Same for the the A player that doesn't work hard and get picked to go to B team. I think as parents we all place too much value on letters! My son was a B player and now plays A ball at a high level. Typically the coaching on the B teams is not even close to that of the A team. I know with Express who had 4 teams had 3 below average coaches and Chan team. I think they changed for the better putting on 2 teams out with high level talent and very good coaching!


That seems to be the new model now, focus on talent and not money. If you notice there are a lot less teams than there were a few years ago. Meaning each organization had 3 teams per age group not the case anymore.


Not true. Express and the others are still doing it. Express just overloads there teams. And pretends they will split it.


I know your kid does not play for Express! This year that is not the case. Chan team has 30 and CoachMor team has 28. As of now those are the numbers, not sure how it will look at the end of the season.


First of all 28 and 30 is also way too many for one team.
2nd we are not just talking about one age bracket. Look at the other age brackets. Some have 40 to 50 kids on a team. And yes they say they will split them.

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Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse [Re: BoardLord] #294294
10/15/19 11:41 AM
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The whole AA, A, B thing is garbage. I've seen kids that were B players work hard switch teams and get on the A teams. Same for the the A player that doesn't work hard and get picked to go to B team. I think as parents we all place too much value on letters! My son was a B player and now plays A ball at a high level. Typically the coaching on the B teams is not even close to that of the A team. I know with Express who had 4 teams had 3 below average coaches and Chan team. I think they changed for the better putting on 2 teams out with high level talent and very good coaching!


That seems to be the new model now, focus on talent and not money. If you notice there are a lot less teams than there were a few years ago. Meaning each organization had 3 teams per age group not the case anymore.


Not true. Express and the others are still doing it. Express just overloads there teams. And pretends they will split it.


I know your kid does not play for Express! This year that is not the case. Chan team has 30 and CoachMor team has 28. As of now those are the numbers, not sure how it will look at the end of the season.


I think once HS comes around, Chan has no choice but to thin out the crowd, the jig is up and he can't keep collecting the $$$$$ when all parents are asking about recruiting and playing time at showcases.

After spending $3000 per year for years, some kids are getting cut from high school teams. He has run out of excuses to tell parents. And still some players are not consistent at catching and throwing. Blame him 1st, parents 2nd and then the player.

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Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse [Re: BoardLord] #294323
10/15/19 02:01 PM
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Can we all stfu re the $ aspect of this? everything costs money.... people spend it as they see fit.

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Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous] #294367
10/15/19 09:15 PM
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The problem is Express doesn't support their B teams. Only the A teams go to the very top events. They aren't recommending B team players for Showtime, etc.

It is important for parents of younger players to understand that if your kid is good, they need to be seen early and often. A lot of the recruiting lists and rankings are born out of evaluators seeing the same kids over and over from an early age. Those kids get written up, buzz is created and looks are given. But you have to be where the best teams are because that is where the college coaches go. It is not impossible from a B team, but it is really hard to go from there to being recruited by a top D1. Many go lesser DI, DII of DIII. If I could do it all over again, I would have gotten my kid off a B team and onto an A team earlier. It worked out for him in the end, but not before we watched lesser A team players get recruited first. College coaches were trying to learn my son's name in HS as compared to them having watched similar kids for 3-4 years by that point.

Others may disagree, but my experience is that if you are on an Express B team it is an uphill battle to get recruited at a top D1. You better be prepared to hit a ton of individual showcases and prospect days on your own.

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Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse [Re: BoardLord] #294392
10/16/19 08:50 AM
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The '28 team needs a lot of work...

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Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous] #294393
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Can we all stfu re the $ aspect of this? everything costs money.... people spend it as they see fit.


I have NO problem spending the money for my son, BUT its the value and experience you get for that money that is the issue at hand.

Don't charge B teams the same as A teams if you are not going to provide the same ( or even remotely close) coaching, indoor practices and experience.

Just give us what you said you would give us for the tuition we paid! Is that too much?

Some years, Express does not even bother to explain what you are actually getting for the money.

At Express, some years its worth the tuition and other years it was not worth the tryout fee.

Just our experience....

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Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous] #294397
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The problem is Express doesn't support their B teams. Only the A teams go to the very top events. They aren't recommending B team players for Showtime, etc.

It is important for parents of younger players to understand that if your kid is good, they need to be seen early and often. A lot of the recruiting lists and rankings are born out of evaluators seeing the same kids over and over from an early age. Those kids get written up, buzz is created and looks are given. But you have to be where the best teams are because that is where the college coaches go. It is not impossible from a B team, but it is really hard to go from there to being recruited by a top D1. Many go lesser DI, DII of DIII. If I could do it all over again, I would have gotten my kid off a B team and onto an A team earlier. It worked out for him in the end, but not before we watched lesser A team players get recruited first. College coaches were trying to learn my son's name in HS as compared to them having watched similar kids for 3-4 years by that point.

Others may disagree, but my experience is that if you are on an Express B team it is an uphill battle to get recruited at a top D1. You better be prepared to hit a ton of individual showcases and prospect days on your own.


Express B teams have no business playing at the top events. They get destroyed. Hence the problem with Coach Chan. He would have his top team with 40-50 great to good players but only play 20. That would leave the B team with only a handful of good players and some OK players. A B team with no FOGO or big scorer. How are they going to compete at a top event?

For whatever reason, Express directors put very little effort into Express's B,C and D teams. The saving grace for these teams is if the coach of the team was good and stepped up for the boys.

At least at 91 or Igloo, they fostered B teams into good teams that at least had a chance.

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Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous] #294467
10/17/19 09:29 AM
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I fully understand. and that is BS..but i also think its failry well known that express is going to focus on teams that promote their brand. The A experience is the advertising money maker. I think this is all Buyer beware.

but to the people breaking down every try out..cost of helmet...travel... i mean....enough

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