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Posted By: B_O_T_C Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/21/16 12:32 PM
Due to the interest of our neighbors in the Philadelphia area, we now have a forum just for them!!

Welcome Pa.!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/21/16 12:35 PM
Tommy....would be great as a good will gesture if the PA. folks treated all here to cheesesteaks and pretzels...just sayin'...
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/21/16 12:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tommy....would be great as a good will gesture if the PA. folks treated all here to cheesesteaks and pretzels...just sayin'...


I think we may have to travel there... I have connections, though! wink
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/21/16 12:41 PM
Throw in a few cases of Yuengling and we are all good to go....LOL
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/21/16 12:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Throw in a few cases of Yuengling and we are all good to go....LOL


Hahaha.. looks like we are spoiled, eh?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/21/16 01:14 PM
Cheesesteaks and Yuengling - a wonderful combination.
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/21/16 01:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cheesesteaks and Yuengling - a wonderful combination.


and for entertainment... lacrosse!!
Posted By: olde english lax Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/21/16 05:15 PM
Awesome to be here and thanks for setting up a page just for Philly Lax!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/21/16 06:31 PM
True Philadelphians know that cheese steaks are for tourists, the real deal are the roast pork from DaNics or John roast pork!
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/21/16 06:52 PM
Originally Posted by olde english lax
Awesome to be here and thanks for setting up a page just for Philly Lax!


Great to have you!! I hope that our N.Y.'ers treat you well! It does tend to get a bit choppy in these threads.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/21/16 08:24 PM
Don't worry Freedom parents will be on here soon enough, chopping it up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/22/16 12:02 AM
Or the BL crew spouting their multi sport athletes. Lmao
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/22/16 01:24 PM
Well at least our multi sport athletes win tournaments! BLOVE can beat anyone around here.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Or the BL crew spouting their multi sport athletes. Lmao
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/22/16 02:41 PM
Let's rate the 2020 groups...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/22/16 02:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's rate the 2020 groups...

Freedom did not make it to the playoff bracket at the NXT invatational this past weeekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/24/16 01:06 AM
What are the best Philly teams in each age group?
2020
2021
2022
2023
2024
????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/24/16 12:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What are the best Philly teams in each age group?
2020
2021
2022
2023
2024
????


2021 Mesa
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/24/16 01:34 PM
BL 2023 without a doubt, 2024 probably but they can be beat
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/25/16 01:43 AM
Another philly club just announced. Team 11 Joey Sankey. How many teams can they fit in that small area? Must be 20+ They have the kids to field 4-5 AA Teams at every year just not 20. Everyone trying to make a living with youth lacrosse. Hats off to the true non profits still out there. It use to be guys like Sankey would come coach for a top club. Not anymore. All want to do it themselves. Should be called Team 21
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/25/16 02:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another philly club just announced. Team 11 Joey Sankey. How many teams can they fit in that small area? Must be 20+ They have the kids to field 4-5 AA Teams at every year just not 20. Everyone trying to make a living with youth lacrosse. Hats off to the true non profits still out there. It use to be guys like Sankey would come coach for a top club. Not anymore. All want to do it themselves. Should be called Team 21


How many AA clubs? 2 or 3?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/25/16 03:09 AM
Not in the same club. 2020: Sons, Freedom, HHH 2021: Mesa, Sons 2022: Freedom, Sons, Dukes 2023: BLove, Mesa, Roughriders, Sons 2024: BLove, RR,
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/25/16 04:49 PM
Does Filia bring anything to the Boys side of Mesa?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/25/16 06:32 PM
It brings economies of scale to both entities on the business side. Both are pretty pricey programs and at the youth level 8th grade on down Mesa struggles to compete at the national elite level. The Mesa high school teams are excellent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/26/16 11:14 AM
How are the Dukes teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/26/16 12:02 PM
the youth is really bad outside of their one national 2022 team. HS is not great. They don't play the top competition anymore. This passport alliance they run does not have very strong teams in it at all. Rumor is Dukes youth is done, complete mess between owners.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How are the Dukes teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/26/16 12:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the youth is really bad outside of their one national 2022 team. HS is not great. They don't play the top competition anymore. This passport alliance they run does not have very strong teams in it at all. Rumor is Dukes youth is done, complete mess between owners.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How are the Dukes teams?


The 2022 Dukes "national" team is not even kids that play for Dukes. It is kids from other clubs that had a free weekend or two to play a tournament together. Right?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/28/16 04:32 PM
At the high school level Mesa and NXT has surpassed Dukes. Dukes will die a slow death as their youth teams are really bad. Rumor of mess between owners is true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/28/16 09:52 PM
Rising Sons just announced two 2020's who committed. One to Hopkins and one to Penn State. I believe the 2020's are moving on to NXT for high school. NXT will dominate the philadelphia region soon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/28/16 09:54 PM
uh oh, HHH out at Penn Charter, Sankey in with team 11. Things are falling apart, should have stuck with Dukes, $$ kills all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/29/16 12:55 AM
Congrats we will be trying out for the Rising Sons this year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons just announced two 2020's who committed. One to Hopkins and one to Penn State. I believe the 2020's are moving on to NXT for high school. NXT will dominate the philadelphia region soon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/29/16 03:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats we will be trying out for the Rising Sons this year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons just announced two 2020's who committed. One to Hopkins and one to Penn State. I believe the 2020's are moving on to NXT for high school. NXT will dominate the philadelphia region soon.


Good luck trying OT for Rising Sons, the just folded their 2020 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/29/16 03:52 AM
HHH partnering with Uprising is coach out of Penn Charter?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/29/16 04:00 AM
The one DELETED is not very good. Must be a relationship thing. Frank
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/29/16 12:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats we will be trying out for the Rising Sons this year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons just announced two 2020's who committed. One to Hopkins and one to Penn State. I believe the 2020's are moving on to NXT for high school. NXT will dominate the philadelphia region soon.


Good luck trying OT for Rising Sons, the just folded their 2020 team.
I don't think they folded they are moving over under NXT Control. Website says tryouts are for 2026 thru 2021. Feeder program i'm assuming for NXT based on the chatter
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/29/16 10:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL 2023 without a doubt, 2024 probably but they can be beat


yes they can. don't have much beyond the big mid
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/30/16 02:00 PM
They have 3 kids that make that BL 2024 team go 1 attack 1 middie and their fogo is top notch the rest of the team is B talent for sure
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/30/16 02:18 PM
Really? They just played Team91 and lost 5-3 and Madlax they lost 6-7 and those 2 teams are easily top 3 in the country at 2024 a bit more to them than just 1 middie
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/31/16 09:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats we will be trying out for the Rising Sons this year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons just announced two 2020's who committed. One to Hopkins and one to Penn State. I believe the 2020's are moving on to NXT for high school. NXT will dominate the philadelphia region soon.


Good luck trying OT for Rising Sons, the just folded their 2020 team.
I don't think they folded they are moving over under NXT Control. Website says tryouts are for 2026 thru 2021. Feeder program i'm assuming for NXT based on the chatter



Funny, NXT has younger teams too, why do they need a feeder program. And, why would anyone want to try out for a 2021 team that is folding in a year? Seems odd to me. Also, NXT has a current 2020 team, so if the Rising Sons are all moving over there, what is happening to their current team? My guess is some current NXT players will make the team, some current Rising Sons will make the team and maybe even some other kids will make the team. Leaving lots of players on those teams also looking for a home. Seems really strange to me that the Rising Sons are folding because, according to some on this website, they are the "best" out there, why would they fold and leave a portion of the team high and dry?!?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/31/16 01:35 PM
Open Tryout at HS level for NXT however most Sons i'd assume will make it. Every club has tryouts every year. NXT is no different other than the fact that if you make the 9th grade team you never tryout again. I see the benefit of Rising Sons continue to train and develop kids to prepare them for HS. Not sure if its similar to the old Dukes HHH arrangement or not?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats we will be trying out for the Rising Sons this year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons just announced two 2020's who committed. One to Hopkins and one to Penn State. I believe the 2020's are moving on to NXT for high school. NXT will dominate the philadelphia region soon.


Good luck trying OT for Rising Sons, the just folded their 2020 team.
I don't think they folded they are moving over under NXT Control. Website says tryouts are for 2026 thru 2021. Feeder program i'm assuming for NXT based on the chatter



Funny, NXT has younger teams too, why do they need a feeder program. And, why would anyone want to try out for a 2021 team that is folding in a year? Seems odd to me. Also, NXT has a current 2020 team, so if the Rising Sons are all moving over there, what is happening to their current team? My guess is some current NXT players will make the team, some current Rising Sons will make the team and maybe even some other kids will make the team. Leaving lots of players on those teams also looking for a home. Seems really strange to me that the Rising Sons are folding because, according to some on this website, they are the "best" out there, why would they fold and leave a portion of the team high and dry?!?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/31/16 05:03 PM
RS would feed NXT for the following reasons:
1. Lack of coaching resources for high school
2. NXT showcases are a big draw and RS probably promoting recruiting connection
Interstingly enough that team as a whole left RS for another club when they got caught cheating with over grade kids in the NXT League at Conshocken.

The real question is why NXT would partner up with RS fully knowing that RS leadership was cheating in their own NXT League. Once a cheat always a cheat and it doesn't get anymore blatant than having kids that are ineligible play on a team, that ironically nobody was going to beat them anyone. The rest of the RS teams from 2025 - 2022 are average to poor. They had a nice run for a couple of years but believe they are on the decline, they needed a lifeline.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/31/16 07:03 PM
I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/31/16 08:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
I'm thinking the other way. Rising Sons should just run their 2020's through HS. I know they are moving to nxt so someone can handle all the recruiting but it looks like their doing a good enough job of it. Rising Sons coaching has been the best that we have been around. The training is unbelievable and their philosophy of how they play. Trust me we've been around numerous programs and my son learned more in the tryouts than he did his whole summer with his old program. I would love to see them just keep the kids through HS.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/31/16 08:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
RS would feed NXT for the following reasons:
1. Lack of coaching resources for high school
2. NXT showcases are a big draw and RS probably promoting recruiting connection
Interstingly enough that team as a whole left RS for another club when they got caught cheating with over grade kids in the NXT League at Conshocken.

The real question is why NXT would partner up with RS fully knowing that RS leadership was cheating in their own NXT League. Once a cheat always a cheat and it doesn't get anymore blatant than having kids that are ineligible play on a team, that ironically nobody was going to beat them anyone. The rest of the RS teams from 2025 - 2022 are average to poor. They had a nice run for a couple of years but believe they are on the decline, they needed a lifeline.
Keep saying that to yourself you might feel better. The truth is the talent at all these clubs in mediocre. Everyone has a half dozen or so AA kids. BL probably has more athletes at the younger ages so they are successful right now. and may continue on that trajectory. However all in all the talent is spread out everywhere which leads everyone to being "average" as you put it. There are no other teams from 2022-2025 that are lighting it up. Parents are crazy so they will try and move their kid to where they think the winning team will be. And by the time they realize it doesn't matter it will be too late. My suggestion get with a club that teaches the game properly. Now 98% of parents have no idea what they means thats ok because neither do 90% of the coaches out there. I'd ask parents from both winning teams, 50/50 teams and losing teams what their experience is. How is the training? Is there a consistent message with their coaches. Did your sons have fun? How was the level of competition they played? How are the parents? Did you see improvements in your son...in your sons team? I'm sure i'm missing some but some negative people will jump on here and point them out. Good luck. There are some good choices out there. Oh and there are some bad ones.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/31/16 09:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
I'm thinking the other way. Rising Sons should just run their 2020's through HS. I know they are moving to nxt so someone can handle all the recruiting but it looks like their doing a good enough job of it. Rising Sons coaching has been the best that we have been around. The training is unbelievable and their philosophy of how they play. Trust me we've been around numerous programs and my son learned more in the tryouts than he did his whole summer with his old program. I would love to see them just keep the kids through HS.


Rising sons used to be coached by quality coaches, but they have all been chased off by a crazy dad. Right now they are the biggest daddy ball program out there
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/31/16 09:30 PM
Couldn't agree more resist the urge to go wtih the "hot team" the reality is whether you are in LI, MD, or Philly area they all have teams that are successful but it changes every season as players move around. Best 2022 Team is moving alot of players from HHH back to Freedom where they came from all chasing the scholarship and committment to a D1 program. Most of these kids that get that commitment rarely go on to succeed at the Collegiate Level. Even MD attackman from Philly in all honesty for being the #1 recruit in the country, most would say has underperformed thus far at MD. Look at the kid from Brown that won the Tewaarton he was a nobody in high school/club ball. Trevor Baptiste was headed to DIII program as a Senior until Denver hit the jackpot with him. How well is Stanwick playing for Hopkins right now considering he was th #1 recruit in the country. It is a a crap shoot and all these crazy parents chasing the dream at middle school really need a reality check. Most of these kids that are lighting it up in 3-8 grade are successful because they got their growth spurt early and hit puberty earlier than their neighbor or they happened to have a dad/mom that stuck a lacrosse stick in their hand at 2 years old. Always be wary of the kid that succeeds because he is big, long term not usually successful. Look for the kids with vision, feel, field IQ, unselfish, and skills....alot of times that all comes together later in life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/31/16 09:32 PM
Plus the cheating thing...no need to do it and it just makes you look bad.....real bad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/31/16 09:50 PM
BLove will be succssful long term cause they poach other clubs AA players. Our goalie at RR just left to go there and I hear they poached another kid from Freedom. The RR goalie is the best 2024 goalie in the area and the other kid is pretty good. I am sure they will get more at their tryouts that the stole from other programs. I am hearing they also stole the best middie from RR 2023.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/31/16 11:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
I'm thinking the other way. Rising Sons should just run their 2020's through HS. I know they are moving to nxt so someone can handle all the recruiting but it looks like their doing a good enough job of it. Rising Sons coaching has been the best that we have been around. The training is unbelievable and their philosophy of how they play. Trust me we've been around numerous programs and my son learned more in the tryouts than he did his whole summer with his old program. I would love to see them just keep the kids through HS.


Rising sons used to be coached by quality coaches, but they have all been chased off by a crazy dad. Right now they are the biggest daddy ball program out there
Thats funny, but not accurate. Hahaha, no coaches have left their program. Their 2021 are coached by a non dad, 2022-non dad, 2023 Dad but US Lacrosse Coach of the year (probably should get rid of him) 2024-non dad. Oh and Mesa, all dads. And there is nothing wrong with it. Roughriders, dads, Freedom...dads. Twist...dads. Brother love....dads, etc, etc etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 12:20 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
I'm thinking the other way. Rising Sons should just run their 2020's through HS. I know they are moving to nxt so someone can handle all the recruiting but it looks like their doing a good enough job of it. Rising Sons coaching has been the best that we have been around. The training is unbelievable and their philosophy of how they play. Trust me we've been around numerous programs and my son learned more in the tryouts than he did his whole summer with his old program. I would love to see them just keep the kids through HS.


Rising sons used to be coached by quality coaches, but they have all been chased off by a crazy dad. Right now they are the biggest daddy ball program out there
Thats funny, but not accurate. Hahaha, no coaches have left their program. Their 2021 are coached by a non dad, 2022-non dad, 2023 Dad but US Lacrosse Coach of the year (probably should get rid of him) 2024-non dad. Oh and Mesa, all dads. And there is nothing wrong with it. Roughriders, dads, Freedom...dads. Twist...dads. Brother love....dads, etc, etc etc.


Who "coached" their 2020 team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 12:31 PM
What is this a list of? The best teams by year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 12:33 PM
Not accurate! The entire Sons 21 coaching staff left, the new guy lasted 6 months and now they are on their 3rd. The 22s are on their 3rd coach as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 02:10 PM
Who won Keystone Games?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 04:35 PM
It is not a mess between both owners. The original owner is fine. It is the other guy who was asked by Dukes to start a youth program. It is that guy who screwed everything up. And now it is the HS Duke's team making the Youth teams take the "Duke's" name off their jerseys. That one guy has burned ALOT of bridges in the lacrosse world!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 04:55 PM
Rating 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 travel teams is useless - who really cares what a 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th grader is doing in travel lacrosse or how good the team is. You are wasting your tim
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 05:50 PM
That is the point of this forum.
Those of us that do care and welcome discussions about programs such as pros and cons, coaching, educations, fundamentals, and yes what are the programs that are good and those that are not. Check out the Long Island or Maryland Forums. They discuss these kinds of aspects of club lacrosse quite a bit. They do seem to spend the majority of the time insulting each other and accusing each other of cheating; however, that again is the purpose of this forum. Perhaps it is you that is wasting time, if you really "don't care"
Posted By: B_O_T_C Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 05:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rating 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 travel teams is useless - who really cares what a 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th grader is doing in travel lacrosse or how good the team is. You are wasting your tim


Hey Knucklehead. You are wasting our time. Feel free to bugger off.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 06:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is not a mess between both owners. The original owner is fine. It is the other guy who was asked by Dukes to start a youth program. It is that guy who screwed everything up. And now it is the HS Duke's team making the Youth teams take the "Duke's" name off their jerseys. That one guy has burned ALOT of bridges in the lacrosse world!


Are highschool and youth teams run the same in regards of minicamps?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 06:13 PM
Is Philly going to have any teams that are going and try to qualify for Denver? None of the clubs in the area are age eligible so it will have to be a one off team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 07:12 PM
I know of at least two that are planning to go. Interestingly enough the World Series of Youth Lacrosse uses a different age requirement that allows older boys to play. They do no use the US Lacrosse 9/1 cut off as you may expect. Just got this right off their website today. I know of some local Philly clubs that below date makes a huge difference and results in all players being eligible.

All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 07:40 PM
The purpose of this forum?? We all know what this forum is for, it's for people to anonymously attack each other, other programs, coaches, etc. in the very rare case someone asks a good question it will get obscured by someone and next thing you know everyone is arguing. This is my first visit to this site because I had a parent this past week d tell me about it and I am amazed it exists! Asking about the quality of a progam, it's coaches, organization, is fine but debating who is the best rising 5th grade lacrosse team is nuts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 07:42 PM
Youth was won by Lehigh Valley and middle school was won by Pittsburgh
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 07:46 PM
Not a feeder and not a merger. NXT is doing a few sessions of training for rising Sons because the sons couldn't keep it going after 8th grade. They tried to merge with everyone and everyone said no so they decided to stop at 8th
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 07:56 PM
Are you saying Sons 21 is a AA club? They lost to Stars and Stripes, Rough Riders, Freedom and a bunch of other guys. The only 21 AA clubs in Philadelphia are Mesa, just this year, HHH, and Freedom. After that you have Sons, Rough Riders and Fusion and below that are Dukes South, Dukes Young Gunz, Black Bear, NXT, twist, Headstrong
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 08:11 PM
That may be but a [lacrosse] of a lot more fun than the conference call that I have had on mute for the last 45 minutes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 08:15 PM
You want to be amazed that it exists check out the hits and threads on the main site which seems to be Long Island based. Better than Judge Judy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know of at least two that are planning to go. Interestingly enough the World Series of Youth Lacrosse uses a different age requirement that allows older boys to play. They do no use the US Lacrosse 9/1 cut off as you may expect. Just got this right off their website today. I know of some local Philly clubs that below date makes a huge difference and results in all players being eligible.

All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.


That was last years cut off check again 09/01/03. Kinda screws thos years batch of late summer birthday 2022's
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/16 09:27 PM
And they said no to a bunch of clubs. This is looking like the long island page very quickly where they bash the top clubs. Go on there, they bash 91, express, igloo and legacy. It will be the same here. We get it your anti sons, your kid probably got cut and now you want anonymous revenge. Their a good club, not for everyone but they do their best.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a feeder and not a merger. NXT is doing a few sessions of training for rising Sons because the sons couldn't keep it going after 8th grade. They tried to merge with everyone and everyone said no so they decided to stop at 8th
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/02/16 02:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And they said no to a bunch of clubs. This is looking like the long island page very quickly where they bash the top clubs. Go on there, they bash 91, express, igloo and legacy. It will be the same here. We get it your anti sons, your kid probably got cut and now you want anonymous revenge. Their a good club, not for everyone but they do their best.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a feeder and not a merger. NXT is doing a few sessions of training for rising Sons because the sons couldn't keep it going after 8th grade. They tried to merge with everyone and everyone said no so they decided to stop at 8th


No one is bashing, just pointing out that Rising Sons tried to merge with club and they said "thanks but no thanks"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/02/16 03:40 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know of at least two that are planning to go. Interestingly enough the World Series of Youth Lacrosse uses a different age requirement that allows older boys to play. They do no use the US Lacrosse 9/1 cut off as you may expect. Just got this right off their website today. I know of some local Philly clubs that below date makes a huge difference and results in all players being eligible.

All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.


That was last years cut off check again 09/01/03. Kinda screws thos years batch of late summer birthday 2022's


Wsyl website still says 5/1. Where do you see 9/1?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/02/16 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know of at least two that are planning to go. Interestingly enough the World Series of Youth Lacrosse uses a different age requirement that allows older boys to play. They do no use the US Lacrosse 9/1 cut off as you may expect. Just got this right off their website today. I know of some local Philly clubs that below date makes a huge difference and results in all players being eligible.

All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.


That was last years cut off check again 09/01/03. Kinda screws thos years batch of late summer birthday 2022's


Wsyl website still says 5/1. Where do you see 9/1?


We got an email from the organizer yesterday
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/02/16 08:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
I'm thinking the other way. Rising Sons should just run their 2020's through HS. I know they are moving to nxt so someone can handle all the recruiting but it looks like their doing a good enough job of it. Rising Sons coaching has been the best that we have been around. The training is unbelievable and their philosophy of how they play. Trust me we've been around numerous programs and my son learned more in the tryouts than he did his whole summer with his old program. I would love to see them just keep the kids through HS.


Rising sons used to be coached by quality coaches, but they have all been chased off by a crazy dad. Right now they are the biggest daddy ball program out there
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
I'm thinking the other way. Rising Sons should just run their 2020's through HS. I know they are moving to nxt so someone can handle all the recruiting but it looks like their doing a good enough job of it. Rising Sons coaching has been the best that we have been around. The training is unbelievable and their philosophy of how they play. Trust me we've been around numerous programs and my son learned more in the tryouts than he did his whole summer with his old program. I would love to see them just keep the kids through HS.


Rising sons used to be coached by quality coaches, but they have all been chased off by a crazy dad. Right now they are the biggest daddy ball program out there
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
I'm thinking the other way. Rising Sons should just run their 2020's through HS. I know they are moving to nxt so someone can handle all the recruiting but it looks like their doing a good enough job of it. Rising Sons coaching has been the best that we have been around. The training is unbelievable and their philosophy of how they play. Trust me we've been around numerous programs and my son learned more in the tryouts than he did his whole summer with his old program. I would love to see them just keep the kids through HS.


Rising sons used to be coached by quality coaches, but they have all been chased off by a crazy dad. Right now they are the biggest daddy ball program out there
says the CRAZY mom
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/03/16 03:43 AM
Who dat TD
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/03/16 05:51 PM
I don't think that is bashing at all. Just a statement that Rising Sons tried to merge with some other clubs and they all declined for whatever reason so they decided to stop at 8th grade.
I am sure it will change over time but as of now the only club getting knocked on even slightly on this page is just Rising Sons. The LI page goes after all the clubs but on here it's really just one. That can't be a good sign.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/03/16 05:53 PM
You know it is. He loves this site!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/03/16 05:59 PM
It is not similar to any arrangement, it's not a partnership or a merger. We are simply doing 8 sessions of training for Rising Sons as we would offer to any program. We are inviting their boys to try out for NXT when their current program ends in 8th grade. Their 2020 team is very strong but will have to fight it out with our existing 2020 team for spots, nothing is guaranteed. As next year comes we will talk about doing training then if they want to continue.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/03/16 06:01 PM
Sweet spelling there TD!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/03/16 06:02 PM
Freedom 2025 was undefeated this summer in 4 tourneys so I guess they are #1 for 2025
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/03/16 06:03 PM
Sankey needs to break away from Wave One though. They are supposedly funding Team 11 which means things will get ugly fast!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/03/16 06:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is not similar to any arrangement, it's not a partnership or a merger. We are simply doing 8 sessions of training for Rising Sons as we would offer to any program. We are inviting their boys to try out for NXT when their current program ends in 8th grade. Their 2020 team is very strong but will have to fight it out with our existing 2020 team for spots, nothing is guaranteed. As next year comes we will talk about doing training then if they want to continue.
Whatever you call it. Not sure why they just don't keep it going through high school they obviously don't need help with recruiting when it comes to their 2020's. They've got kids visiting places already and 2 commits. NXT is the only one winning here. They need those kids to field a HS team. Look at HHH and Mesa 2020 teams right now. Decimated because of Freedom and Rising Sons.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/03/16 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sankey needs to break away from Wave One though. They are supposedly funding Team 11 which means things will get ugly fast!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sankey needs to break away from Wave One though. They are supposedly funding Team 11 which means things will get ugly fast!


Oh yeah that will be a circus. I give it one summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/04/16 10:55 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is not similar to any arrangement, it's not a partnership or a merger. We are simply doing 8 sessions of training for Rising Sons as we would offer to any program. We are inviting their boys to try out for NXT when their current program ends in 8th grade. Their 2020 team is very strong but will have to fight it out with our existing 2020 team for spots, nothing is guaranteed. As next year comes we will talk about doing training then if they want to continue.


So basically, Risings Somd dropped their 2020 team and it is every man for himself? Well, I guess you can say a stone that tries out for their younger teams would be totally crazy then. All of those players would be better served going directly to NXT, since they are providing the training for them anyway
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/04/16 01:52 PM
Poaching other team's players?

Club teams need to start realizing that players and families fundamentally have a choice. The club has a responsiblity to every player/family at every grade level to communicate, administrate, develop skills, teach life lessons, while reconciling experience to the expense. If a player leaves a club the onus is on the club to look at themselves in the mirror and ask "why did the player leave?" What did we NOT provide. Perhaps the answer absolves them of culpability or they feign indifference. However with parents paying thousands of dollars in fees to play youth sports all clubs need to recognize that player families are first and foremost, "consumers" and as such they have "a choice." Invariably players will always leave; nobody keeps everyone happy but sustainable success by the top clubs is predicated upon excellence in player development and return on investment. At the end of the day it is an investment by both parents and players and there are to many clubs out there doing the "money grab" charging outlandish fees, putting a carousel of college kids out there to coach, and preying upon star struck parents. Paying 2,000+ a year having 20+ players on the team results in 40K PER TEAM. Why does a youth club team need 40K PER TEAM PER YEAR to operate. Of the Philly based clubs how many of them are truly elite? That is why these players are geting "poached."
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/04/16 01:58 PM
You know we are all just waiting for TD to posts video's of his players laying people out and standing over top of them on YouTube....oh wait, he already has done that. What a class act!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/05/16 09:34 PM
Legendary Player Frank Urso named HC of Brotherly Love 2022
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/06/16 02:49 AM
Ummm well I guess the 2022 won't be wondering who their coach is.....BL film flam program...will he show up to practice
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/06/16 03:04 AM
Who cares. Doesn't mean he can coach.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legendary Player Frank Urso named HC of Brotherly Love 2022
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/06/16 10:05 AM
Give them 2 years and that will be the best team in Philly just like their other teams...flim flam...what does that even mean...and uh yeah he can coach ever hear of the under armour games...HC last 3 years...ever hear of Garnet Valley HC there as well ....flim flam must mean I got my [lacrosse] handed to me by one of their other teams ...give the man some respect he's earned it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/06/16 03:39 PM
My son doesn't play for BL, but any idiot questioning
Frank's credentials shouldn't be allowed on here. Google the guy his playing career is unprecedented and his coaching numbers at GV speak for themselves. As for turning that team around that's another story..tough starting a 22 program from pretty much scratch but I would doubt he can do it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/06/16 04:11 PM
Typo
Wouldn't doubt he could do it
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/07/16 04:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares. Doesn't mean he can coach.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legendary Player Frank Urso named HC of Brotherly Love 2022


Who cares if he can coach as long as he can poach. "Scholarships" for club lacrosse to the best kids are out there. Look out Sons, Mesa, and Freedom.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/07/16 01:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You know we are all just waiting for TD to posts video's of his players laying people out and standing over top of them on YouTube....oh wait, he already has done that. What a class act!


Not sure he has done this wire his players, the only videos I have heard about are ones DELETED
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/07/16 08:01 PM
WE ARE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You know we are all just waiting for TD to posts video's of his players laying people out and standing over top of them on YouTube....oh wait, he already has done that. What a class act!


Not sure he has done this wire his players, the only videos I have heard about are ones DELETED
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/07/16 08:14 PM
Freedom is fine with the coaches we have, we will not be chasing a club because they bring in a quality coach. Ours are fine.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares. Doesn't mean he can coach.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legendary Player Frank Urso named HC of Brotherly Love 2022


Who cares if he can coach as long as he can poach. "Scholarships" for club lacrosse to the best kids are out there. Look out Sons, Mesa, and Freedom.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/08/16 12:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WE ARE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You know we are all just waiting for TD to posts video's of his players laying people out and standing over top of them on YouTube....oh wait, he already has done that. What a class act!


Not sure he has done this wire his players, the only videos I have heard about are ones DELETED


Easy there TD, no one is anything yet. And, it is comments like that that make people think that you are a total jerk.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/08/16 07:39 PM
Yes "poaching" is a real thing. Your post is absurd and obviously you are on the poacher side as opposed to poachee. Here is what you are missing, when a player leaves a program to go to another that is fine, there could be many reasons for it. It could be playing time, dispute with coaching philosophy, the kid simply not enjoying himself, etc. etc. That type of departure is not "poaching". Poaching is when a program, in season, contacts a player already rostered on another team and offers that player to come "play in one tournament for us for free, see if you like it" or "how about your 2023 son come play in this showcase event for us". The poacher teams are playing on the system, convincing a parent that their child is getting college looks at the 23 level! That is a blatant lie.
This same program just advertised that they brought on a "college recruiting specialist" yet they have no teams older than 2023?? That is manipulative and a lie to lead these parents to believe their son is getting looks in 6th grade!
So to address your note, yes poaching is a real thing. The standard held by the vast majority of the clubs in Philadelphia is that we do not contact any player already rostered on another program. If they reach out to you that is fine but to actively recruit players off existing teams is a despicable thing only a few teams do. These teams have been called out on here numerous times but just to be clear, they are Brotherly Love and Rising Sons. Rising Sons has gotten a bit better about this but that is primarily because they have lost their luster after their 2021 team fell apart and now their 2020s are done. Brotherly Love has a guy working from them who pumps out propaganda like the Germans in the 1940s! One thing that Rising Sons and Brotherly Love have in common is that both have been caught cheating in the NXT Spring League for having unrostered players play up/down/on multiple teams. BL will fall apart like RS has, give it time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/08/16 07:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes "poaching" is a real thing. Your post is absurd and obviously you are on the poacher side as opposed to poachee. Here is what you are missing, when a player leaves a program to go to another that is fine, there could be many reasons for it. It could be playing time, dispute with coaching philosophy, the kid simply not enjoying himself, etc. etc. That type of departure is not "poaching". Poaching is when a program, in season, contacts a player already rostered on another team and offers that player to come "play in one tournament for us for free, see if you like it" or "how about your 2023 son come play in this showcase event for us". The poacher teams are playing on the system, convincing a parent that their child is getting college looks at the 23 level! That is a blatant lie.
This same program just advertised that they brought on a "college recruiting specialist" yet they have no teams older than 2023?? That is manipulative and a lie to lead these parents to believe their son is getting looks in 6th grade!
So to address your note, yes poaching is a real thing. The standard held by the vast majority of the clubs in Philadelphia is that we do not contact any player already rostered on another program. If they reach out to you that is fine but to actively recruit players off existing teams is a despicable thing only a few teams do. These teams have been called out on here numerous times but just to be clear, they are Brotherly Love and Rising Sons. Rising Sons has gotten a bit better about this but that is primarily because they have lost their luster after their 2021 team fell apart and now their 2020s are done. Brotherly Love has a guy working from them who pumps out propaganda like the Germans in the 1940s! One thing that Rising Sons and Brotherly Love have in common is that both have been caught cheating in the NXT Spring League for having unrostered players play up/down/on multiple teams. BL will fall apart like RS has, give it time.


Rising Sons was caught have 2, 2020 kids playing on their 2021 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/08/16 07:57 PM
NXT does not NEED the RS kids, they have had teams for years and been successful. Sure some of the RS kids will come to NXT but not nearly all of them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/08/16 08:01 PM
Spoke with Frank, he's excited.....for the easy paycheck! BL isn't telling people his commitment level is minimal and will likely stop come February. Interesting that his GV assistant coaches kids are trying out for other teams and not BL....that's because Frank has let them in on the secret he is merely helping out for a quick 10k.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/08/16 08:07 PM
He deleted the lacrosse ones but the football ones are still there. It's great because of how he titles them, shows 9 year olds "laying wood" and "laying kids out"!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/08/16 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT does not NEED the RS kids, they have had teams for years and been successful. Sure some of the RS kids will come to NXT but not nearly all of them.

I wonder if NXT puts up with crazy dads? Because the king crazy is coming with Rising Sons
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/08/16 09:02 PM
Funny I spoke to Frank and he is just happy that he can coach his son who is on the 22 team...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/08/16 10:43 PM
My kid isn't trying out for BL because he doesn't think he can make the team but I can tell you that is the team he wants to play on
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/16 12:00 AM
Actually Frank called me personally and asked my son to play. I know nothing about the man other than a Google search. He didnt strike me as a guy doing it for the cash. I asked why as a high school coach and as a man of his accomplishments why he would coach a youth lacrosse team. He told me he loves to coach and he wants to spend time with his son who is on the team. Again I don't know the man but have to say was impressed with the fact he personally called me and flattered. I am seriously considering it and have to say he he doesn't sound anything like the guy you are portraying so either you are full of it or he is ..,. Going to go with Frank
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/16 01:22 AM
Watch Franks testimony on youtube. Its great, tells you a lot about what kind of guy he is. FCA had him speak. Anyone who has been thru what and his family have been through and come out shining on the other end all have a few traits in common. And like anyone else who achieves success he will take shots on this forum.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/16 10:32 AM
My son plays for BL and you are absolutely right they do have players moving between rosters. However look up the rules NXT allows this for both their league and the tournaments look it up. You are only breaking the rules if you play down. My son along with a few others was asked to play UP from 2023 to 2022 to help out with numbers. The one coach also had his son play up from 2024 to 2023 but again he played up. You seem to know BL really well so you know who I am talking about. Like most on this forum you should get your facts straight before accusing another club of cheating. You must be from Freedom or Roughriders come on fess up your just mad and tired of losing to a club that just started 2 years ago that charges less money than all the rest. It's okay just be honest jealousy doesn't become you judging from your rant. Got to say have had 3 philly based clubs try to convince my son to leave BL...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/16 11:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son plays for BL and you are absolutely right they do have players moving between rosters. However look up the rules NXT allows this for both their league and the tournaments look it up. You are only breaking the rules if you play down. My son along with a few others was asked to play UP from 2023 to 2022 to help out with numbers. The one coach also had his son play up from 2024 to 2023 but again he played up. You seem to know BL really well so you know who I am talking about. Like most on this forum you should get your facts straight before accusing another club of cheating. You must be from Freedom or Roughriders come on fess up your just mad and tired of losing to a club that just started 2 years ago that charges less money than all the rest. It's okay just be honest jealousy doesn't become you judging from your rant. Got to say have had 3 philly based clubs try to convince my son to leave BL...


I don't know what other post you are referring to, but I saw BL cheat at a tournament this past summer. Their 2023 "B" team was playing and the second the game ended (and there were a few player that didn't look like "B" players) we all witnessed 3 players sprint from that field to the one above it (where they immediately joined the "A" BL team for a game. Not cool and doesn't make your club look good
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/16 11:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He deleted the lacrosse ones but the football ones are still there. It's great because of how he titles them, shows 9 year olds "laying wood" and "laying kids out"!


Classless, and that same kid doesn't even play football anymore. Probably afraid that all of those cheap shots may be remembered.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/16 12:40 PM
I know the 3 kids you are referring to ask NXT that ran the tournament BL didn't have enough kids to field a full B team and rather than withdraw asked the tournament director if we could drop the 3 kids to play B as long as they weren't AA players. Like most clubs our bench players are A/B players and the kids we sent were not even close to our best players. If the tournament director approved it then it ain't cheating the fact that they beat your team is probably what's bothering u. The BL coaches actually sent an email out saying we were short and would be moving kids around. Most people I know don't announce it in an email when they are cheating just admit it tired of losing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/16 02:32 PM
I saw that game and saw the 3 kids u are referring to run to the other field where they joined a team that had no subs but also left a team without subs makes sense to me.i watched the BL game they all ran to as I was curious to see how BL would do against Bethesda Lax Club thinking that BL would get smoked as Bethesda killed Mesa and BL needed a Braveheart to beat Mesa however BL put a beat down on Bethesda was very surprised. Say what you want about BL but u got to give them props that is a [lacrosse] of a good team may be the fastest youth team I have personally seen makes sense to me that B players on that club would look like A players to another club all subjective
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/16 04:24 PM
They should be faster...they are older!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/16 06:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know the 3 kids you are referring to ask NXT that ran the tournament BL didn't have enough kids to field a full B team and rather than withdraw asked the tournament director if we could drop the 3 kids to play B as long as they weren't AA players. Like most clubs our bench players are A/B players and the kids we sent were not even close to our best players. If the tournament director approved it then it ain't cheating the fact that they beat your team is probably what's bothering u. The BL coaches actually sent an email out saying we were short and would be moving kids around. Most people I know don't announce it in an email when they are cheating just admit it tired of losing


Actually, it was a very close game, IMO, if you don't have enough players then you shouldn't try to carry 2 teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/16 06:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw that game and saw the 3 kids u are referring to run to the other field where they joined a team that had no subs but also left a team without subs makes sense to me.i watched the BL game they all ran to as I was curious to see how BL would do against Bethesda Lax Club thinking that BL would get smoked as Bethesda killed Mesa and BL needed a Braveheart to beat Mesa however BL put a beat down on Bethesda was very surprised. Say what you want about BL but u got to give them props that is a [lacrosse] of a good team may be the fastest youth team I have personally seen makes sense to me that B players on that club would look like A players to another club all subjective


OK, BL dad...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/16 06:54 PM
It's a bitter pill to swallow isn't it. They are just a better team....you must be a Freedom dad. Yep BL is the only team in Philly that has kids over the 9/1 cutoff of US Lacrosse. It does help that my kid doesn't need a ride to practice...just give Junior the keys and off he goes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/16 07:05 PM
Freedom Dad, Not sure who that guy is but my son played on that BL team and enjoyed every minute of it....it sucks losing doesn't it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/16 07:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Freedom Dad, Not sure who that guy is but my son played on that BL team and enjoyed every minute of it....it sucks losing doesn't it.


Not from Freedom, but I really don't like cheaters. And FYI, I personally don't think it hurts anyone to lose a game every now and then, sometimes you learn way more about yourself as a player during a loss.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/16 10:46 PM
C'mon now don't hide be honest with us Knute Rockne if you aren't from Freedom watching the illegal roster switching and assessing B level talent vs A level talent over the course of a game it begs the question why you spending ur free time watching a bunch of young boys running around in short shorts getting all lathered up...just be honest with yourself Freedom dad and if you really aren't (not) get yourself some help
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/10/16 01:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
C'mon now don't hide be honest with us Knute Rockne if you aren't from Freedom watching the illegal roster switching and assessing B level talent vs A level talent over the course of a game it begs the question why you spending ur free time watching a bunch of young boys running around in short shorts getting all lathered up...just be honest with yourself Freedom dad and if you really aren't (not) get yourself some help

Um, you yourself said that they switch players all the time, or did they only do it against Freedom?! Seems weird to me that you (Bethesda dad LOL) you think it has to be a Freedom parent, if they were switching all day (at that tournament) then you would have no idea what team. Sounds like you are protesting a little too much. Must have hit a nerve with the cheating thing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/10/16 02:23 AM
Which would you rather have your kid play on.... a team with 20+ kids on it where everyone gets to play a half (most club teams) if they are lucky or a team with 15 kids on it where you play the majority of the game...maybe you are gassed but better than sitting on the pine....maybe you enjoy it but adding 2 cents just to make a point seems a bit trivial.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/10/16 03:26 AM
Not at all my perverse friend. Ask other people that have kids on the team if BL cheats, you know some (come out of the closet) You yourself stated: (cut / paste from your post below)

" Their 2023 "B" team was playing and the second the game ended (and there were a few player that didn't look like "B" players) we all witnessed 3 players sprint from that field to the one above it (where they immediately joined the "A" BL team for a game.

It was the only game that BL played where the 3 players team came from a lower field to join the A game playing on the Stadium Field.

But again if the tournament director approved it as stated then it aint cheating why don't you call NXT and ask them since you seem desparate to prove a point.

Better yet go back to your favorite past time of watching young boys running around playing with their sticks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/10/16 05:35 PM
I am curious on why there is an influx of kids "reclassed" in the philly region? Or is it occurring all over the the US, to give their kids an advantage ? If the kid doesn't stand out with age appropriate kids than reclass them so they stand out? What is wrong with people?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/10/16 05:44 PM
Can we stop using the PC term "reclass" and just call it what it is?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/10/16 05:48 PM
Don't think there is an influx in Philly. Penn Charter and Haverford are notorious but wouldn't say influx
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am curious on why there is an influx of kids "reclassed" in the philly region? Or is it occurring all over the the US, to give their kids an advantage ? If the kid doesn't stand out with age appropriate kids than reclass them so they stand out? What is wrong with people?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/10/16 08:23 PM
I would say 99% of the people don't have kids in July or August and think hey let me hold this kid back so he can play lacrosse with kids that technically he is only a few months older than.
Now holding them back in 6th or 8th grade is a whole different story.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/11/16 12:38 PM
Happens all the time check out the Maryland and Long Island site. It's not just lacrosse either. Definitely an advantage I think Philly private schools started to keep pace with Maryland schools that they play quite a bit
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/11/16 01:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can we stop using the PC term "reclass" and just call it what it is?


What is the better term?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/11/16 02:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can we stop using the PC term "reclass" and just call it what it is?


What is the better term?



Cheater?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/11/16 03:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can we stop using the PC term "reclass" and just call it what it is?


What is the better term?



Cheater?


I think you need a better term. There are lots of ways to be a cheater and reclassing is just one of them.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/11/16 04:03 PM
Certainly don't agree with it but wouldn't consider it cheating. In some cases kids are getting reclassified twice. In our area look at Unionville they have a pre 1st option thus resulting in 13 grades. They do it for academic development reasons however that school scores well on standardized testing the question is are they cheating since it is the same scenario
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/13/16 06:37 AM
Does anyone know anything about Team 11?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/13/16 01:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know anything about Team 11?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know anything about Team 11?
Sankey team took over the fields that HHH was using at penn charter. Penn charter said bye bye to HHH. It will sound great and kids will be excited. I mean parents will be excited in the beginning but the top kids will leave ASAP as there will not be enough talented kids to field even a B level team. Just another club thinning out the talent in philly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/13/16 07:41 PM
I don't know, with Rising Sons folding, there are going to be lots of kids looking for homes. Should be interesting to see what happens
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/13/16 08:12 PM
They are practicing an hour from were the RS kids live. They are offering a lot for $1500. Next year they will be charging Mesa prices...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/13/16 09:24 PM
And just because that's what you wish you know the Rising Sons are not folding. You know but you can't help to come on here and try and make others believe your crazy rumor. Everyone practices within an hour of the Sons.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't know, with Rising Sons folding, there are going to be lots of kids looking for homes. Should be interesting to see what happens
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/13/16 11:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And just because that's what you wish you know the Rising Sons are not folding. You know but you can't help to come on here and try and make others believe your crazy rumor. Everyone practices within an hour of the Sons.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't know, with Rising Sons folding, there are going to be lots of kids looking for homes. Should be interesting to see what happens


So are you saying they are having a 2020 team next year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/14/16 02:51 AM
I heard HS will be National Teams with at least half coming from them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And just because that's what you wish you know the Rising Sons are not folding. You know but you can't help to come on here and try and make others believe your crazy rumor. Everyone practices within an hour of the Sons.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't know, with Rising Sons folding, there are going to be lots of kids looking for homes. Should be interesting to see what happens


So are you saying they are having a 2020 team next year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/14/16 07:39 PM
Very confused Rising Sons is done? Should my son attend tryouts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/14/16 09:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very confused Rising Sons is done? Should my son attend tryouts?
The Sons will have 2021-2025 teams. They are working with NXT to create a training model specifically for their kids in these grades with hope that they choose NXT HS as rising freshman. Their highly successful 2020s are headed to NXT via an open tryout. I'd imagine a good majority of their kids will make it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/14/16 11:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very confused Rising Sons is done? Should my son attend tryouts?
The Sons will have 2021-2025 teams. They are working with NXT to create a training model specifically for their kids in these grades with hope that they choose NXT HS as rising freshman. Their highly successful 2020s are headed to NXT via an open tryout. I'd imagine a good majority of their kids will make it.


Not sure why you wouldn't just try out for NXT? What kind of logic is that? Try out for Sons to train with NXT, for Sons to drop you going into 9th grade and then you can try out for NXT? Am I hearing that correctly?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/16/16 04:59 PM
Where are the best Philly teams playing this fall?

Is it a play day or a real tournament?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/17/16 03:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are the best Philly teams playing this fall?

Is it a play day or a real tournament?



They are playing on the football or soccer field!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/17/16 05:24 PM
Just read about the new "club model", Headstrong Quakers, whereby a D1 Coach is leading club teams. Did I read that wrong or will Mike Murphy (and others) of Penn really be coaching a club team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/17/16 09:33 PM
From what I know and understand Sons will field teams and supplement their coaching with some NXT clinics, coaching, etc. After 8th grade the kids will then have the opportunity to play with NXT full time. Just like every other team at most of the pre-HS levels, there's a tryout for that team as well.
Will all the Sons kids make NXT? Likely not. But the lower level NXT teams are not that competitive so you can do that math.
My son will be at the Sons tryout. Good, solid program with good coaches and kids. And no, this isn't the "founder" or current team member dad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/17/16 11:00 PM
Any program worth their salt should be able to keep and run teams through high school. I would be suspect of a club that couldn't. What is their real motivation in running their club? Anyone can find some youth kids to put together and win a tournament. A real club will develop players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/17/16 11:21 PM
And thats exactly what they did. In a huge way. Developed players and continue to develop players. When HHH was running just 6,7,8 grade and funneling kids to Dukes were they not worth their salt? Are they worth their salt?? What an [lacrosse]. Look what they did in a few short years. Go ask around the top clubs in the country if their worth their salt. They are well respected despite what you keep saying to your self.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any program worth their salt should be able to keep and run teams through high school. I would be suspect of a club that couldn't. What is their real motivation in running their club? Anyone can find some youth kids to put together and win a tournament. A real club will develop players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/18/16 12:55 PM
Your not comparing the old HHh teams to the current RS ones? There 21 team was great but broke up 2 years ago, the younger teams are average at best.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/18/16 05:53 PM
Aren't all the Philly teams kinda "average"?
Let's face it, this region is the worst when it comes to dilution of talent across teams. Every year another two teams pop up where daddy can coach little johnny and his buddies.
If you took all the best from all the teams and put them on one, they would be competitive.
There is no true elite AA team in the area that can hang on LI or MD for that matter.
If I'm wrong, please show me when one of them has won or beaten any LI or MD team (Igloo, Express, 91, Diamondbacks, Hawks).
FYI: Referring to 23s-21s
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/19/16 11:11 AM
I love the line above about teams popping up so daddy can coach little Johnny and his buddies, this is what is wrong with youth sports. The thing is, IMO, these kids will not benefit from this in the long run. I have been around sports all my life and the kids that have been "coached" by their parents end up having issues with coaches in the future. Oh, and their dads also have issues with any coach too. I have seen it time and time again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/19/16 11:18 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Aren't all the Philly teams kinda "average"?
Let's face it, this region is the worst when it comes to dilution of talent across teams. Every year another two teams pop up where daddy can coach little johnny and his buddies.
If you took all the best from all the teams and put them on one, they would be competitive.
There is no true elite AA team in the area that can hang on LI or MD for that matter.
If I'm wrong, please show me when one of them has won or beaten any LI or MD team (Igloo, Express, 91, Diamondbacks, Hawks).
FYI: Referring to 23s-21s


Freedom beat igloo 2022 at young guns.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/19/16 12:08 PM
Brotherly Love teams have beaten Express, Igloo, Bethesda LC, Crabs, and Laxachusetts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/19/16 12:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sankey needs to break away from Wave One though. They are supposedly funding Team 11 which means things will get ugly fast!


Can anyone expand on this. Not familiar with the relationship.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/19/16 01:28 PM
You know that wasn't the real Igloo team, right?
Freedom is good, not great. You know this. Best team in Philly at 2022? Probably.
The original poster is right. As much as that sucks, he's right.
I'd say put the challenge as this: show me a tournament not called Summer Slam, Meltdown, Patriot Games, Philly Showdown that any of these teams has won.
Basically show me a team that has won a tourney outside of Philly...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/19/16 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Brotherly Love teams have beaten Express, Igloo, Bethesda LC, Crabs, and Laxachusetts

So have most of the HHH teams (23-21) but not on a regular basis or to win a real, non-Philly tournament.
I think that's his point.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/19/16 01:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I love the line above about teams popping up so daddy can coach little Johnny and his buddies, this is what is wrong with youth sports. The thing is, IMO, these kids will not benefit from this in the long run. I have been around sports all my life and the kids that have been "coached" by their parents end up having issues with coaches in the future. Oh, and their dads also have issues with any coach too. I have seen it time and time again.
NO you haven't. Thats just what people think the right thing is to say. Almost every top team has a dad coach because they put the time and energy in to make everyone better. Your Stupid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/19/16 02:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I love the line above about teams popping up so daddy can coach little Johnny and his buddies, this is what is wrong with youth sports. The thing is, IMO, these kids will not benefit from this in the long run. I have been around sports all my life and the kids that have been "coached" by their parents end up having issues with coaches in the future. Oh, and their dads also have issues with any coach too. I have seen it time and time again.
NO you haven't. Thats just what people think the right thing is to say. Almost every top team has a dad coach because they put the time and energy in to make everyone better. Your Stupid.

"Your Stupid" Ohhhhhh the irony there
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/19/16 02:04 PM
I agree as a dad coach I see more parents that not only don't coach they never volunteer in the community and school and they write long emails and want to talk to you about position or lack of playing time and coddle their kids who never advocate for themselves. I had one dad ask me why his son can't play attack. My response was he needs to work on his stick skills have you ever considered getting him a bounce back. He responded he got one last your and I asked him what drills he does on the bounce back. His response .... He doesn't really use it that much. There are certainly cons to having dad coach but for the most part at the youth level there are a lot of good youth coaches doing the right thing. Most that complain are mad because their kid isn't playing attack.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/19/16 03:37 PM
So Mesa 2021 orange had a pretty good summer
They won young gunz beat Hawks, madlax national
And icon. Finished 2nd at NXT cup with a convincing
Win over igloo
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/19/16 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Mesa 2021 orange had a pretty good summer
They won young gunz beat Hawks, madlax national
And icon. Finished 2nd at NXT cup with a convincing
Win over igloo
e] big deal they lost to uprising twice and got smoked by 91 outside of that they didn't play anyone. HHH will be the team to beat this summer
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/20/16 01:20 AM
The first time Mesa played Uprising, they had had a handful of practices. This team has been together for ONE year, as of today. The second time, 1/4 of the team wasn't there. And yes, Mesa did get smoked by 91, no one will argue that. But how can you say they haven't played "anyone" outside of the teams they did play, and beat? Name those teams...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/20/16 01:20 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I love the line above about teams popping up so daddy can coach little Johnny and his buddies, this is what is wrong with youth sports. The thing is, IMO, these kids will not benefit from this in the long run. I have been around sports all my life and the kids that have been "coached" by their parents end up having issues with coaches in the future. Oh, and their dads also have issues with any coach too. I have seen it time and time again.
NO you haven't. Thats just what people think the right thing is to say. Almost every top team has a dad coach because they put the time and energy in to make everyone better. Your Stupid.

That would be you're stupid and clearly if you don't know that... Well, I won't even finish that statement 👍🏼😝
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/20/16 01:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Brotherly Love teams have beaten Express, Igloo, Bethesda LC, Crabs, and Laxachusetts


2024 teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/20/16 01:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You know that wasn't the real Igloo team, right?
Freedom is good, not great. You know this. Best team in Philly at 2022? Probably.
The original poster is right. As much as that sucks, he's right.
I'd say put the challenge as this: show me a tournament not called Summer Slam, Meltdown, Patriot Games, Philly Showdown that any of these teams has won.
Basically show me a team that has won a tourney outside of Philly...


So igloo sent their B team to Young Guns? I doubt it. Was a kid or 2 out? - possibly - just like most teams throughout the summer, so please stop the excuses.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/20/16 02:29 AM
2023
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/20/16 02:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The first time Mesa played Uprising, they had had a handful of practices. This team has been together for ONE year, as of today. The second time, 1/4 of the team wasn't there. And yes, Mesa did get smoked by 91, no one will argue that. But how can you say they haven't played "anyone" outside of the teams they did play, and beat? Name those teams...
Really been together for two. A very young Koopers team beat you good, barely beat leading edge, barely beat looneys, barely beat 3d, barely beat icon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/20/16 03:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The first time Mesa played Uprising, they had had a handful of practices. This team has been together for ONE year, as of today. The second time, 1/4 of the team wasn't there. And yes, Mesa did get smoked by 91, no one will argue that. But how can you say they haven't played "anyone" outside of the teams they did play, and beat? Name those teams...
Really been together for two. A very young Koopers team beat you good, barely beat leading edge, barely beat looneys, barely beat 3d, barely beat icon.
trust me HHH will be the team with our merger with uprising
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/20/16 11:51 AM
The 2023 team beat Laxachusetts Express Bethesda LC
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/20/16 03:54 PM
Hmmm you keep using that word "BEAT"...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/20/16 06:16 PM
Ad Hominem
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/21/16 12:35 PM
Heard all the Mesa 21 Rising Sons defects are coming back to Rising Sons, is that true? And if so, why?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/21/16 01:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard all the Mesa 21 Rising Sons defects are coming back to Rising Sons, is that true? And if so, why?
Don't think so. I don't think they want them back. Only a few.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/22/16 12:43 AM
Who really cares on who the best team or teams are at any level? The egos of the parents? Does it matter who beat who? I thought what mattered is that your child played , learned , trained and progressed throughout the season and the team had quality coaching.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/22/16 01:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who really cares on who the best team or teams are at any level? The egos of the parents? Does it matter who beat who? I thought what mattered is that your child played , learned , trained and progressed throughout the season and the team had quality coaching.


I am no longer buying tickets to pro sports. All my cash is going into my kid's sports and I want to cheer for a winner!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/22/16 02:20 AM
What idyllic world are you living in have you seen parents at swimming meets football games soccer tournaments cheering and gymnastic to name a few you need to step into reality. For better or for worse that is the world we live in. We are all trying to keep up with the Joneses and youth parents all want their kids to succeed some are just more nuts about it even the ones that pretend not to care really do
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 02:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What idyllic world are you living in have you seen parents at swimming meets football games soccer tournaments cheering and gymnastic to name a few you need to step into reality. For better or for worse that is the world we live in. We are all trying to keep up with the Joneses and youth parents all want their kids to succeed some are just more nuts about it even the ones that pretend not to care really do


What in the world are you trying to say? Hint, it would probably be more understandable if you used some punctuation. And, clearly, you should have spent a little more time in the classroom and a little less time on the field!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 03:52 AM
Ok mom get ur [lacrosse] back in the kitchen this is a message/forum not a term paper if u can't figure out what I said ur more clueless than I originally thought
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 12:06 PM
NXT rules for both our Spring League and tournaments clearly state that a player can only play on one team. Does not matter if a players plays up, down, or sideways.............you can only play for one team. Brotherly Love has been spoken to about this violation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 12:10 PM
He said "ain't"!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 12:15 PM
Please, I'm begging you, stop typing responses for Brotherly Love. My son plays for them and we're happy but it's responses like yours that make us question what we're doing. You sound uneducated and unbelievably [lacrosse]-phobic, I can only hope you're just a crazy dad and not a coach. Please stop responding, you're giving us all a bad name.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 12:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok mom get ur [lacrosse] back in the kitchen this is a message/forum not a term paper if u can't figure out what I said ur more clueless than I originally thought


Uneducated and a sexist, bet you are a pleasure to be around. I also find it interesting that people who can't convey their thoughts all of a sudden have to lash out at others. Do your kid a favor and make sure they hit the books as hard as that throw back, because there is zero future in lacrosse!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 12:20 PM
Mesa 21 beat everyone except 91, Freedom 21 beat Diamondbacks and Koopers
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 12:47 PM
Actually my kids are excellent students thanks for asking nobody said there is a future in lacrosse by the way took a look at your original post if that is a sample of your prose pretty pitiful lacking in syntax spacing issues incorrect commas incorrect use of question marks get over yourself honey
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 01:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT rules for both our Spring League and tournaments clearly state that a player can only play on one team. Does not matter if a players plays up, down, or sideways.............you can only play for one team. Brotherly Love has been spoken to about this violation.


Stop pretending that you work for NXT. Here are the rules cut/pasted right from their website. What a bufoon.

No player may compete or be rostered on more than one club/team during the
tournament. (i.e. cannot play for Team Vermont and Team New Hampshire in the
same tournament. You may however be rostered on a U9 team and move up to play
U11 if need be. You may not, however, play down a division). Any team with a player
5
in violation of this rule will forfeit all games in which the player has participated in and
will not be permitted to play in the playoff rounds.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 01:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually my kids are excellent students thanks for asking nobody said there is a future in lacrosse by the way took a look at your original post if that is a sample of your prose pretty pitiful lacking in syntax spacing issues incorrect commas incorrect use of question marks get over yourself honey


No idea what you are talking about. Have you been drinking?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 01:32 PM
Just double checked it on their website myself if you work for NXT your [lacrosse] should be fired for not knowing the rules of your own company.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 01:57 PM
Who really cares on who the best team or teams are at any level? The egos of the parents? Does it matter who beat who? I thought what mattered is that your child played , learned , trained and progressed throughout the season and the team had quality coaching.

No idea what you are talking about. Have you been drinking? [/quote]

Talking about your post above cut and pasted for your convenience give me a freaking break with that paragraph pitiful hope you aren't a teacher honey
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 05:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who really cares on who the best team or teams are at any level? The egos of the parents? Does it matter who beat who? I thought what mattered is that your child played , learned , trained and progressed throughout the season and the team had quality coaching.

No idea what you are talking about. Have you been drinking?


Talking about your post above cut and pasted for your convenience give me a freaking break with that paragraph pitiful hope you aren't a teacher honey [/quote]

Well, now I understand what post you are ranting about, but I didn't write that. Have to say, I do agree the author of the above post may be just as clueless as you. If you want people to understand your rants, punctuation and proper quoting would be helpful. And, FYI, I am not a teacher, I guess you assume for someone to write clearly they need to be a teacher? Have a wonderful day!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 07:01 PM
So it appears there are 2 schools of thought here. One is that having a successful team playing against good competition is most important vs. good coaching/positional training is most important. I would expect this changes as the kids get older. Do you think the younger ages (2022 and younger) benefit more from good coaching or playing with and against more skilled players. As a parent, I get frustrated when I see kids that don't pass or don't hustle back on defense and wonder if it hurts other's development or just impacts win/losses.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 07:06 PM
Having a great day beautiful outside life is wonderful don't have the faintest idea what you are posting or what you are responding to and could really care less
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 08:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So it appears there are 2 schools of thought here. One is that having a successful team playing against good competition is most important vs. good coaching/positional training is most important. I would expect this changes as the kids get older. Do you think the younger ages (2022 and younger) benefit more from good coaching or playing with and against more skilled players. As a parent, I get frustrated when I see kids that don't pass or don't hustle back on defense and wonder if it hurts other's development or just impacts win/losses.
The answer is both. You should want both. You need to develop skill and then do it under pressure. Everyone looks great in line drills and skill drills. As soon as you put pressure on 90% of the kids they can't throw, they can't catch, etc. Its a balance. You also don't want to be playing hammers all he time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/16 09:59 PM
This is my new favorite site.
Keep up the good work.
This stuff is gold, Jerry!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 03:24 AM
Wow NXT is going all out with their 2020 team. Blasting it all over social media. Billy Leahy, Andy Hayes, Chris Williams coaching. Wondering what the tryouts are going to look like.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 11:17 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow NXT is going all out with their 2020 team. Blasting it all over social media. Billy Leahy, Andy Hayes, Chris Williams coaching. Wondering what the tryouts are going to look like.


And just exactly how is this different than any of their other teams? Heck, how is this different than any other club? All I have seen for the last month is announcements about tryout dates and coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 03:03 PM
You mean RS 2020
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 03:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You mean RS 2020
What does this mean?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 06:35 PM
What is the deal with Duke Nationals in 2022 and 2023. Are they any good?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 06:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the deal with Duke Nationals in 2022 and 2023. Are they any good?
Any team is good if they get the top players from all over the country together to play other 2022 and 2023 teams. What a joke. I know 2022 and 2023 players that are leaving the Dukes Young Guns because they over promise and under produce. This belong on another thread. You can't show love to 60% of your team and bring in ringers and promote the crap out of it and think the other kids left behind are going to be happy? But they get to post their wins and championships while not growing and developing their own back yard. It would be one thing to go do one or two National tournaments but they are trying to do too much with 5 and 6th graders. And they don't play the real long island teams or maryland teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 07:25 PM
Rising sons is good
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 07:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the deal with Duke Nationals in 2022 and 2023. Are they any good?


I have heard of Little Dukes, Dukes and HHH, do you mean one of those teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 07:35 PM
There are a lot of perfect people on this forum with too much time on their hands for critiquing the posts on grammar, punctuation, or someone's thoughts. Get over yourself. There are also quality posts that I'm sure others have the same thoughts or information that can help others decide which is best for their families. Stop the nonsense or post somewhere else.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 07:38 PM
Can anyone offer information on HHH? The rolling tryout process seems like it's all about the money.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 07:46 PM
Is it worth attending a prospect camp for a 2021 player?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising sons is good
They seem it. We were at the tryout and are going to play there this year. Tryout was one of the best run tryouts we have been to. They coached the kids up in a way not to interfere with reps. Fast paced position specific drills. It was really good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it worth attending a prospect camp for a 2021 player?
Not till Summer. If you do it in the Fall its just to see where you match up in your class and get your eyes opened on what to expect. If you are an Attack you better be ready to run the ball out because that may be the only time you touch it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 10:33 PM
This has all changed after tryouts
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What are the best Philly teams in each age group?
2020
2021
2022
2023
2024
????


2021 Mesa
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 11:02 PM
Little doubt that Dukes was at one time a great program. As Philadelphpians we should be proud of what they accomplished. With their split from HHH they will slowyly fade away. There is no long term success without a "farm system" and their atttempt to replace HHH with Dukes (insert geography here) was a total failure of epic proportions. It only tarnished their name and diminshed their stature. Like most divorces both sides are left reduced. There will be a new elite team that replaces them the only question is whom. My guess either NXT or Mesa.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/16 11:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Little doubt that Dukes was at one time a great program. As Philadelphpians we should be proud of what they accomplished. With their split from HHH they will slowyly fade away. There is no long term success without a "farm system" and their atttempt to replace HHH with Dukes (insert geography here) was a total failure of epic proportions. It only tarnished their name and diminshed their stature. Like most divorces both sides are left reduced. There will be a new elite team that replaces them the only question is whom. My guess either NXT or Mesa.


The days of the "one" elite program are long gone, too many clubs have popped up. IMO, too many dads starting clubs so their little Johnny can play with his "elite" buddies. When Dukes was elite it was because they were basically the only option and kids were invited. That isn't what happens now
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/25/16 12:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This has all changed after tryouts
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What are the best Philly teams in each age group?
2020
2021
2022
2023
2024
????


2021 Mesa
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love


See everyone at fall brawl?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/25/16 12:46 AM
How has it changed?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/25/16 03:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How has it changed?
We shall all see.......
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/25/16 04:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Little doubt that Dukes was at one time a great program. As Philadelphpians we should be proud of what they accomplished. With their split from HHH they will slowyly fade away. There is no long term success without a "farm system" and their atttempt to replace HHH with Dukes (insert geography here) was a total failure of epic proportions. It only tarnished their name and diminshed their stature. Like most divorces both sides are left reduced. There will be a new elite team that replaces them the only question is whom. My guess either NXT or Mesa.


The days of the "one" elite program are long gone, too many clubs have popped up. IMO, too many dads starting clubs so their little Johnny can play with his "elite" buddies. When Dukes was elite it was because they were basically the only option and kids were invited. That isn't what happens now
Yeah but this is what keeps it so much fun. Keeps all the original lax bro's on their toes. Because of some of these programs the top clubs are getting exposed for lack of training and coaching. I'd agree that NXT may be the sleeping Giant. They have had some great success quietly. Over 60 D1 Commits! I think thats in like 5 years. They seem to have to most consistency and looks like with Sons pushing their 2020 kids over they could begin to dominate the Philly market from this year on out. Their 2019 team is very strong. They beat Mesa 2019 really bad this past year. Their 2018 team won the Summer Invite.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/25/16 10:22 AM
My advice, and I have been around sports at a very competitive level my entire life as a player any coach.
1. Find the club that fits your family's needs. That could be a hyper-competitive team, and if your child's goal is to play division 1 lacrosse this is what you could want. And, don't get me wrong, you don't HAVE to do this to play d1.
2. If your family is looking for a team that will provide opportunities to play a game they love but you aren't really concerned about being hyper-competitive (that is not for everyone) then find a nice B level team.
3. Have your kids play multiple sports, and this should happen all the way through HS. Cross training is not only good for developing an all around good athlete, it gives the kid a chance to develop skills that will help their "primary" sport. For example, basketball helps with footwork in lacrosse. I also wholeheartedly believe kids need a break from every sport from time to time. One sport kids who are pushed by over zealous parents have a very high burn out rate.
4. Most importantly make sure your kid is hitting the books more than they are concentrating on any sport. Very few kids we be professional athletes and the real scholarship money is given for academics.

As we are all looking for the "perfect" club for our kids, I wish you all the best. Some of the best conversations I have had with my kids have happened in the car on the way to or home from practices/games/tournaments. I just love watching my kids grow and learn and MOST importantly love the sports they are playing. There is nothing better than being part of a team, good luck finding the one that suits your needs!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/25/16 10:38 AM
My neighbor started one of the daddy clubs and I know it had nothing to do with "Johnny playing with his elite buddies" It had everything to do with the established programs and their obvious money grab. Let's call a spade a spade. When programs like Mesa and NXT along with girl's programs like Ultimate are charging an average of $2,000 to play elementary school club lacrosse that is nothing more than a money grab. Another friend was stunned when Ultimate said that her daughter was going to have to pay $1,500 to play 5th grade girls lacrosse from one of the above club. Mesa is charging $2,000. On top of that all these clubs always have at least 20+ kids on each team. That comes out to 40K+ PER TEAM often with two teams at each grade. Doing some fancy math ...that is 80K PER GRADE...It has nothing to do with Johnny. On top of that most of the teams are staffed with college kids more concerned about partying. If you are playing for one of the above teams.....Grab your ankles and don't expect any lube.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/25/16 01:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My neighbor started one of the daddy clubs and I know it had nothing to do with "Johnny playing with his elite buddies" It had everything to do with the established programs and their obvious money grab. Let's call a spade a spade. When programs like Mesa and NXT along with girl's programs like Ultimate are charging an average of $2,000 to play elementary school club lacrosse that is nothing more than a money grab. Another friend was stunned when Ultimate said that her daughter was going to have to pay $1,500 to play 5th grade girls lacrosse from one of the above club. Mesa is charging $2,000. On top of that all these clubs always have at least 20+ kids on each team. That comes out to 40K+ PER TEAM often with two teams at each grade. Doing some fancy math ...that is 80K PER GRADE...It has nothing to do with Johnny. On top of that most of the teams are staffed with college kids more concerned about partying. If you are playing for one of the above teams.....Grab your ankles and don't expect any lube.
You obvious don't have a clue. Some of these clubs that are charging $2000+ are giving 4 seasons of training. 6 years ago it was always around $1000/Summer. When indoor space is $250/hr and you do 16 hours of training that number adds up. Add a paid professional in there and a winter session could cost $400/kid. If a club is only charging $1500/year you are not getting much at all. I would agree with you on the clubs with a 2nd team. There is usually some profit in there from that team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/25/16 05:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My advice, and I have been around sports at a very competitive level my entire life as a player any coach.
1. Find the club that fits your family's needs. That could be a hyper-competitive team, and if your child's goal is to play division 1 lacrosse this is what you could want. And, don't get me wrong, you don't HAVE to do this to play d1.
2. If your family is looking for a team that will provide opportunities to play a game they love but you aren't really concerned about being hyper-competitive (that is not for everyone) then find a nice B level team.
3. Have your kids play multiple sports, and this should happen all the way through HS. Cross training is not only good for developing an all around good athlete, it gives the kid a chance to develop skills that will help their "primary" sport. For example, basketball helps with footwork in lacrosse. I also wholeheartedly believe kids need a break from every sport from time to time. One sport kids who are pushed by over zealous parents have a very high burn out rate.
4. Most importantly make sure your kid is hitting the books more than they are concentrating on any sport. Very few kids we be professional athletes and the real scholarship money is given for academics.

As we are all looking for the "perfect" club for our kids, I wish you all the best. Some of the best conversations I have had with my kids have happened in the car on the way to or home from practices/games/tournaments. I just love watching my kids grow and learn and MOST importantly love the sports they are playing. There is nothing better than being part of a team, good luck finding the one that suits your needs!


Excellent post, well said.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/25/16 06:52 PM
Your response is comical, if you don't think a club charging 2k per kid for 10 year olds is making $ I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
40k per team they are making at least 15k...if not more.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/25/16 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your response is comical, if you don't think a club charging 2k per kid for 10 year olds is making $ I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
40k per team they are making at least 15k...if not more.
You clearly have no idea. And are just angry because your kid probably got kid from one of these programs. Here some quick math for you mr. accountant. $18k for tourneys/leagues, $10k+ for coaches 4 seasons, $10k for field rentals, then you have supplies, insurance, uniforms Plus $$ for those who may need help. Do the math.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/25/16 09:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your response is comical, if you don't think a club charging 2k per kid for 10 year olds is making $ I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
40k per team they are making at least 15k...if not more.
You clearly have no idea. And are just angry because your kid probably got kid from one of these programs. Here some quick math for you mr. accountant. $18k for tourneys/leagues, $10k+ for coaches 4 seasons, $10k for field rentals, then you have supplies, insurance, uniforms Plus $$ for those who may need help. Do the math.


You are cleary stoned. 18k for tourney fees. What tournaments are you going to? The most expensive standard tournaments are less than 2k. That is before you factor in multi team discounts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/25/16 10:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your response is comical, if you don't think a club charging 2k per kid for 10 year olds is making $ I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
40k per team they are making at least 15k...if not more.
You clearly have no idea. And are just angry because your kid probably got kid from one of these programs. Here some quick math for you mr. accountant. $18k for tourneys/leagues, $10k+ for coaches 4 seasons, $10k for field rentals, then you have supplies, insurance, uniforms Plus $$ for those who may need help. Do the math.


You are cleary stoned. 18k for tourney fees. What tournaments are you going to? The most expensive standard tournaments are less than 2k. That is before you factor in multi team discounts.
OK so 5 x 1800, 3 fall events, 2 winter, spring league. What are you smoking? These one day events are $1200. Team discount of $100 haha
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/25/16 10:46 PM
Yes and some of the events are now $4-5K or even more.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/25/16 10:48 PM
haha, these clubs aren't going to the liberty shootout knuckle head. Their going to things like Crabfeast, NXT cup, etc. Not the Hershey park classic
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/26/16 12:23 AM
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/26/16 01:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/26/16 01:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your response is comical, if you don't think a club charging 2k per kid for 10 year olds is making $ I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
40k per team they are making at least 15k...if not more.
Wait i'm the guy selling the bridge not you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/26/16 02:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow


Some people are there for the education(IMO misguided), but a good majority are there for lacrosse and lacrosse only. That is a fact. And you are right, they at losers
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/26/16 02:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow


Some people are there for the education(IMO misguided), but a good majority are there for lacrosse and lacrosse only. That is a fact. And you are right, they at losers
Just cause your son or daughter goes to a crappy public school in PA don't knock the private school kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/26/16 02:36 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow


Some people are there for the education(IMO misguided), but a good majority are there for lacrosse and lacrosse only. That is a fact. And you are right, they at losers
Hey don't knock the private schools, your Boss went to one and he signs your check
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/26/16 11:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow


Some people are there for the education(IMO misguided), but a good majority are there for lacrosse and lacrosse only. That is a fact. And you are right, they at losers
Just cause your son or daughter goes to a crappy public school in PA don't knock the private school kids.


How is pointing out the cost "knocking" a private school? And, if you think public schools are "crappy" you are sadly mistaken. Have you ever looked at a course catalog at a top public? Trust me, the opportunities at a big public far pass a small private, the small private just doesn't have the staff to accommodate a real variety of courses, not to mention the teachers at privates don't get paid a whole lot, so the best teachers go where they can earn a decent living. Obviously not going to change your mind, once you have sipped the private school "kool aid" you actually believe it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/26/16 04:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow


Some people are there for the education(IMO misguided), but a good majority are there for lacrosse and lacrosse only. That is a fact. And you are right, they at losers
Just cause your son or daughter goes to a crappy public school in PA don't knock the private school kids.


How is pointing out the cost "knocking" a private school? And, if you think public schools are "crappy" you are sadly mistaken. Have you ever looked at a course catalog at a top public? Trust me, the opportunities at a big public far pass a small private, the small private just doesn't have the staff to accommodate a real variety of courses, not to mention the teachers at privates don't get paid a whole lot, so the best teachers go where they can earn a decent living. Obviously not going to change your mind, once you have sipped the private school "kool aid" you actually believe it.
Because you literally said in parentheses "because of course the training and exposure will be superior there" Thats not a knock? Kool aid comment not a knock? Private schools offer a lot more outside of the "core curriculum" public schools are required to teach. It has been worth every penny. Even though its really expensive, the experience in and around the classroom is worth it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/26/16 06:17 PM
Losing focus here folks, this isn't an education forum.....let's get back to insulting each other, accusing each of other of cheating, and overanylzing youth sports, when we should be working and trying to climb the corporate ladder.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/26/16 08:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow


Some people are there for the education(IMO misguided), but a good majority are there for lacrosse and lacrosse only. That is a fact. And you are right, they at losers
Just cause your son or daughter goes to a crappy public school in PA don't knock the private school kids.


How is pointing out the cost "knocking" a private school? And, if you think public schools are "crappy" you are sadly mistaken. Have you ever looked at a course catalog at a top public? Trust me, the opportunities at a big public far pass a small private, the small private just doesn't have the staff to accommodate a real variety of courses, not to mention the teachers at privates don't get paid a whole lot, so the best teachers go where they can earn a decent living. Obviously not going to change your mind, once you have sipped the private school "kool aid" you actually believe it.
I wish school would start so you could go back to you day job.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/27/16 12:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow


Some people are there for the education(IMO misguided), but a good majority are there for lacrosse and lacrosse only. That is a fact. And you are right, they at losers
Just cause your son or daughter goes to a crappy public school in PA don't knock the private school kids.


How is pointing out the cost "knocking" a private school? And, if you think public schools are "crappy" you are sadly mistaken. Have you ever looked at a course catalog at a top public? Trust me, the opportunities at a big public far pass a small private, the small private just doesn't have the staff to accommodate a real variety of courses, not to mention the teachers at privates don't get paid a whole lot, so the best teachers go where they can earn a decent living. Obviously not going to change your mind, once you have sipped the private school "kool aid" you actually believe it.
Because you literally said in parentheses "because of course the training and exposure will be superior there" Thats not a knock? Kool aid comment not a knock? Private schools offer a lot more outside of the "core curriculum" public schools are required to teach. It has been worth every penny. Even though its really expensive, the experience in and around the classroom is worth it.
You sound like a public school teacher. What experience if any do you with a private school. There are about 15 school districts in PA that are worth going to. Unless your school is in Chester County it is very doubtful you are at one of them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/27/16 01:39 AM
New Topic: How good will this new NXT High School team be? Will kids leave other top clubs to tryout? They blew twitter up with the coaching staff and the tryout. Thoughts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/27/16 09:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
New Topic: How good will this new NXT High School team be? Will kids leave other top clubs to tryout? They blew twitter up with the coaching staff and the tryout. Thoughts?


Every single club is blowing up feeds with tryout info, they are no different
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/27/16 01:44 PM
Actually, my kids all went to CB West, which is also an amazing school. Through sports (I have 3 kids that all played multiple sports and my 2020 son is my youngest), I have met many amazing families from all over SE PA. You sound incredibly silly when you say "there are only 15 good schools in PA and they are all in Chester county". There are AMAZING public schools in Bucks, Montgomery and Delaware counties, in fact there are great public schools in every county in our state. You say I sound like a teacher, well, I am not, I own my own company. You ask how I know? Well, let me tell you some experience I have had.
1. A friend of mine decided to try a private school because it really was sold to them as a very strong academic experience. Their sons, who live in the Pheonixville SD, ended up lasting at this "elite" school for 3 months, they were not being challenged and their parents realized it was a giant waste of money. Not to mention, they thought their sons were going to suffer academically in the long run.
2. Another family I know has children who have gotten into Ivey schools, they attended the Rose Tree Media Schools district
3. Another friend had a son get a perfect score on their math SAT, they went to Spring Ford
If you feel the need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for your kids to go to a private school, more power to you. However, you are very misinformed (or just plain dumb) when you say there aren't good public schools all over the place.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/27/16 02:21 PM
I have to agree. Went to public school myself and graduated with some great kids that went to great colleges and are extremely successful. Not that private schools can't and don't mirror that success. However, the institution doesn't make the individual. I personally know private school graduates that I wouldn't hire to walk my dog but also the same applies to people I konw that went to public school. Cream always rises to the top irrespective.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/27/16 02:35 PM
Any thoughts on NXT 2020?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/27/16 04:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any thoughts on NXT 2020?


How many times are you going to ask this question? It is another club, some people will want to be part, some won't. Don't know what you are fishing for
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/27/16 06:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any thoughts on NXT 2020?


They are going to be very similar in quality to Sons 2020. With 2-3 minor changes.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/27/16 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any thoughts on NXT 2020?


They are going to be very similar in quality to Sons 2020. With 2-3 minor changes.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/28/16 02:07 AM
Will be very curious to see what happens with the 2020 NXT team. Over 100 kids at tryouts. Seems like the previous poster thinks all of the former rising sons are shoe ins, I guess time will tell if NXT picks the best or if the tryout is a farce
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/28/16 02:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will be very curious to see what happens with the 2020 NXT team. Over 100 kids at tryouts. Seems like the previous poster thinks all of the former rising sons are shoe ins, I guess time will tell if NXT picks the best or if the tryout is a farce
Doubt it. Coaches said 125 kids, maybe some come tomorrow. Sons definitely will fill spots but maybe 10-12? Not sure there were a few Malvern helmets there that I'm assuming may be Sons as well. All the MP helmets could play. Definitely more than 2-3 changes. HHH helmets that were there may be 2-3 that looked legit. There was a ton of talent. Dukes, HHH, Sons, Mesa all in the mix. We will not be going back. Clearly my kid has not shot.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/28/16 02:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, my kids all went to CB West, which is also an amazing school. Through sports (I have 3 kids that all played multiple sports and my 2020 son is my youngest), I have met many amazing families from all over SE PA. You sound incredibly silly when you say "there are only 15 good schools in PA and they are all in Chester county". There are AMAZING public schools in Bucks, Montgomery and Delaware counties, in fact there are great public schools in every county in our state. You say I sound like a teacher, well, I am not, I own my own company. You ask how I know? Well, let me tell you some experience I have had.
1. A friend of mine decided to try a private school because it really was sold to them as a very strong academic experience. Their sons, who live in the Pheonixville SD, ended up lasting at this "elite" school for 3 months, they were not being challenged and their parents realized it was a giant waste of money. Not to mention, they thought their sons were going to suffer academically in the long run.
2. Another family I know has children who have gotten into Ivey schools, they attended the Rose Tree Media Schools district
3. Another friend had a son get a perfect score on their math SAT, they went to Spring Ford
If you feel the need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for your kids to go to a private school, more power to you. However, you are very misinformed (or just plain dumb) when you say there aren't good public schools all over the place.
Hopefully CBW won't have to cancel any football games because of hazing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/28/16 10:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will be very curious to see what happens with the 2020 NXT team. Over 100 kids at tryouts. Seems like the previous poster thinks all of the former rising sons are shoe ins, I guess time will tell if NXT picks the best or if the tryout is a farce
Doubt it. Coaches said 125 kids, maybe some come tomorrow. Sons definitely will fill spots but maybe 10-12? Not sure there were a few Malvern helmets there that I'm assuming may be Sons as well. All the MP helmets could play. Definitely more than 2-3 changes. HHH helmets that were there may be 2-3 that looked legit. There was a ton of talent. Dukes, HHH, Sons, Mesa all in the mix. We will not be going back. Clearly my kid has not shot.


You're funny Malvern daddy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/29/16 01:52 AM
Is that the same BL team that used older guest players against S2S in semi finals at NXT Cup?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/29/16 03:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will be very curious to see what happens with the 2020 NXT team. Over 100 kids at tryouts. Seems like the previous poster thinks all of the former rising sons are shoe ins, I guess time will tell if NXT picks the best or if the tryout is a farce
Doubt it. Coaches said 125 kids, maybe some come tomorrow. Sons definitely will fill spots but maybe 10-12? Not sure there were a few Malvern helmets there that I'm assuming may be Sons as well. All the MP helmets could play. Definitely more than 2-3 changes. HHH helmets that were there may be 2-3 that looked legit. There was a ton of talent. Dukes, HHH, Sons, Mesa all in the mix. We will not be going back. Clearly my kid has not shot.
Nope not even close. Not a Malvern Daddy although I was there today for roughriders tryouts. Just stating facts. Be surprised if they all didn't make it.

You're funny Malvern daddy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/29/16 10:41 AM
Yep everyone was a 2022 and frankly were the better team. The 2 boys in question one was a Kennett pole the other a Lionville middie all rostered and members of the team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/29/16 02:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will be very curious to see what happens with the 2020 NXT team. Over 100 kids at tryouts. Seems like the previous poster thinks all of the former rising sons are shoe ins, I guess time will tell if NXT picks the best or if the tryout is a farce
Doubt it. Coaches said 125 kids, maybe some come tomorrow. Sons definitely will fill spots but maybe 10-12? Not sure there were a few Malvern helmets there that I'm assuming may be Sons as well. All the MP helmets could play. Definitely more than 2-3 changes. HHH helmets that were there may be 2-3 that looked legit. There was a ton of talent. Dukes, HHH, Sons, Mesa all in the mix. We will not be going back. Clearly my kid has not shot.
Nope not even close. Not a Malvern Daddy although I was there today for roughriders tryouts. Just stating facts. Be surprised if they all didn't make it.

You're funny Malvern daddy


So you're telling us that out of 125 kids, a random dad (you) picked out MP helmets and noticed that they were all great players? Really, because I have been to plenty of tryouts and usually I am focused on my kid. Don't buy it
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/29/16 03:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will be very curious to see what happens with the 2020 NXT team. Over 100 kids at tryouts. Seems like the previous poster thinks all of the former rising sons are shoe ins, I guess time will tell if NXT picks the best or if the tryout is a farce
Doubt it. Coaches said 125 kids, maybe some come tomorrow. Sons definitely will fill spots but maybe 10-12? Not sure there were a few Malvern helmets there that I'm assuming may be Sons as well. All the MP helmets could play. Definitely more than 2-3 changes. HHH helmets that were there may be 2-3 that looked legit. There was a ton of talent. Dukes, HHH, Sons, Mesa all in the mix. We will not be going back. Clearly my kid has not shot.
Nope not even close. Not a Malvern Daddy although I was there today for roughriders tryouts. Just stating facts. Be surprised if they all didn't make it.

You're funny Malvern daddy


So you're telling us that out of 125 kids, a random dad (you) picked out MP helmets and noticed that they were all great players? Really, because I have been to plenty of tryouts and usually I am focused on my kid. Don't buy it
Maybe because their helmets were so nice and shiny, I don't know sorry I said anything. Their helmets did stand out and were easy to spot because they were playing well and the sons were practicing at malvern last year. troll
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/30/16 01:18 AM
Did the pick the team yet?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/30/16 02:40 AM
They did. We have not received notification either way but based on what my son said the invites went out to those who made it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/30/16 03:04 AM
Better talent at BL, but that loss just proves that you cannot just throw kids together at game time and expect to have the chemistry needed to beat a quality team like S2S.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/30/16 02:08 PM
Do you sit at home an think this stuff up? BL didn't use anyone that was not a 2023, there were no guest players. The Kennett pole played every game at the NXT league, but was out for most of the summer. The lionville middies Dad is one of the assistant coaches, but was away for the weekend.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/30/16 02:18 PM
Couldn't agree with you more; however, I can tell you that we didn't throw anything together. We just simply don't practice enough, and that will be rectifiied.

To put this into context this was a response from a post that Philly based teams can't beat the best Long Island and Baltimore Teams and that simply isn't true, and when we do beat them the Long Island guys are convinced we are cheating. Freedom 2022 has consistently beaten the top teams for several years and Brotherly Love 2023 and 2024 has as well. But in my opinion it is for one reason and one reason only. The Philly kids don't practice as much as those teams. If the BL 2023 team loses in sudden death to S2S, which was an excellent team, after practicing literally only 8 times in the Spring, how would they fare if they practiced 9 months out of the year like the LI and MD teams.

Then that same team beat Long Island Express in the consolation game withouth 2 starting poles.

Therer is little doubt the LI teams are more skilled but that can be addressed by the Philly Teams practicing more and I see that gap being closed in the next two years.

To stir the pot further I do think that it is interesting that at 2022 and below that the clubs that charge 50% less than the big name clubs and run by dads are the only ones in the discussion capable of beating the powerhouse clubs from LI and MD. Throw in the Freedom 2025 Team which looks impressive and it is a shutout.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/31/16 05:08 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Couldn't agree with you more; however, I can tell you that we didn't throw anything together. We just simply don't practice enough, and that will be rectifiied.

To put this into context this was a response from a post that Philly based teams can't beat the best Long Island and Baltimore Teams and that simply isn't true, and when we do beat them the Long Island guys are convinced we are cheating. Freedom 2022 has consistently beaten the top teams for several years and Brotherly Love 2023 and 2024 has as well. But in my opinion it is for one reason and one reason only. The Philly kids don't practice as much as those teams. If the BL 2023 team loses in sudden death to S2S, which was an excellent team, after practicing literally only 8 times in the Spring, how would they fare if they practiced 9 months out of the year like the LI and MD teams.

Then that same team beat Long Island Express in the consolation game withouth 2 starting poles.

Therer is little doubt the LI teams are more skilled but that can be addressed by the Philly Teams practicing more and I see that gap being closed in the next two years.

To stir the pot further I do think that it is interesting that at 2022 and below that the clubs that charge 50% less than the big name clubs and run by dads are the only ones in the discussion capable of beating the powerhouse clubs from LI and MD. Throw in the Freedom 2025 Team which looks impressive and it is a shutout.


Which Philly 2022 or 2021 club won any tournament attended by the top LI and MD clubs?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/31/16 11:37 AM
What's happening at HHH that there were a dozen kids trying out for NXT 2020?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/31/16 12:12 PM
I think their best days are behind them. The divorce between Dukes and HHH left both organization worse off. Dukes is struggling without a quality feeder program and HHH trying to be Dukes has alot more competition than when Dukes was the premier program.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/31/16 12:16 PM
I don't believe anyone said they "won" the tournament and don't recall anyone mentioning 2021 in the mix. The Freedom 2022 has consistenly beaten and also played well against the best MD and LI Teams. Nobody is saying they are the best 2022 out there, just they can play with those teams. I would put them top 10 in that class. If your point is that LI and MD club teams are superior across the board they are; however, there is little doubt that Philly Teams are closing the gap and isn't that a good thing for the sport?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/31/16 05:52 PM
Well, I see that TD is posting on Facebook about how happy he is that 12 of the Rising Sons made NXT. I guess he doesn't care about the other half of the kids that got cut?! What a D*&^ move... And, I see that he removed the post, so someone clued him in that only a total [lacrosse] would do that in the first place. Of course, anyone that knows TD knows that it par for the course with him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/31/16 06:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, I see that TD is posting on Facebook about how happy he is that 12 of the Rising Sons made NXT. I guess he doesn't care about the other half of the kids that got cut?! What a D*&^ move... And, I see that he removed the post, so someone clued him in that only a total [lacrosse] would do that in the first place. Of course, anyone that knows TD knows that it par for the course with him.
OMG one I can't believe he is friends with you (vomit), 2, he should be happy that he developed kids to play at a high level, 3 you have some serious issues you need to work out with yourself. Good job to those that made it. Oh and 4, the post is still up maybe he just removed you?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/31/16 06:39 PM
Any word on how the younger RS teams are doing? when you look on the site there seems to be no mention of a 2025 team and the 24's don't.... have a coach listed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/31/16 07:36 PM
says his daughter
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/31/16 08:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, I see that TD is posting on Facebook about how happy he is that 12 of the Rising Sons made NXT. I guess he doesn't care about the other half of the kids that got cut?! What a D*&^ move... And, I see that he removed the post, so someone clued him in that only a total [lacrosse] would do that in the first place. Of course, anyone that knows TD knows that it par for the course with him.
OMG one I can't believe he is friends with you (vomit), 2, he should be happy that he developed kids to play at a high level, 3 you have some serious issues you need to work out with yourself. Good job to those that made it. Oh and 4, the post is still up maybe he just removed you?

1. Not friends with him, but know a parent of a boy who didn't make it. (Who sent a screen shot to me)
2. I tried to tell them years ago not to be associated with him, but they didn't listen. Now they wish they would have. Clearly, he could care less about the boys that didn't make it. He could have at least waited a week to brag
3. He can be as proud as he wants, but there is NO REASON to post them when 1/2 of the team didn't make it.
4. If he still has it up, just proves what a [lacrosse] he is.
5. And it is laughable that you would say he developed anyone, he is nothing more than a over the top lacrosse dad. He has zero experience coaching or playing the sport
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/31/16 10:06 PM
Quit being a bunch of cry babies. Tad took these kids to florida twice denver all over the place to play. All while not making a fortune off them like other clubs. At some point they were going to have to part ways.

He was excited for the kids who made and will probably look out for the kids who didnt as much as he can.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/31/16 10:50 PM
He also won the event this past year. He was a student of the game and the kids all respected and loved him. All of them. Pisses me off that you try to impugn his character.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/31/16 11:07 PM
Him cheating when he already had the best team shows al you need to know about his character.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/31/16 11:22 PM
Its lacrosse everyone cheats.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/31/16 11:23 PM
Twelve Sons: 5 Attack, 4 Defenders, 1 goalie, 2 mid
Five NXT: 2 defenders, 2 mid, 1 goalie

Hard to believe that those 17 should have all been included
in the top 25 out of 125
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 01:31 AM
Of course it's hard for you to believe. You can't even believe your son has to play for black bear
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 02:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, I see that TD is posting on Facebook about how happy he is that 12 of the Rising Sons made NXT. I guess he doesn't care about the other half of the kids that got cut?! What a D*&^ move... And, I see that he removed the post, so someone clued him in that only a total [lacrosse] would do that in the first place. Of course, anyone that knows TD knows that it par for the course with him.
OMG one I can't believe he is friends with you (vomit), 2, he should be happy that he developed kids to play at a high level, 3 you have some serious issues you need to work out with yourself. Good job to those that made it. Oh and 4, the post is still up maybe he just removed you?

1. Not friends with him, but know a parent of a boy who didn't make it. (Who sent a screen shot to me)
2. I tried to tell them years ago not to be associated with him, but they didn't listen. Now they wish they would have. Clearly, he could care less about the boys that didn't make it. He could have at least waited a week to brag
3. He can be as proud as he wants, but there is NO REASON to post them when 1/2 of the team didn't make it.
4. If he still has it up, just proves what a [lacrosse] he is.
5. And it is laughable that you would say he developed anyone, he is nothing more than a over the top lacrosse dad. He has zero experience coaching or playing the sport
Hey this sounds like one of our long island moms that son got cut from the program and probably is a jv football player. I just came on the philly page and you guys don't waste anytime
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 01:56 PM
So I thought NXT offered the best training for lacrosse players. So they had a team of 25 kids who played for them this past summer, NXT trained them up, spent 12 months with them and now only 5 of 25 make the team for the next 12 months. So, where is the loyalty - there is none among Club Lacrosse teams. Would not want to be a player on the 2021 team this year - most likely you do not have a spot after this summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 02:23 PM
Basically it is NXT admitting that they don't develop kids in their youth program. Only (5) made high school team. So they will take your $2,000 per year until a team of better kids come along.

Start little Johnnie with the HYPE in 4th grade. Drop 10 grand on training. Then lose your spot to reclassified kids that are at least one year older then Johnnie. But NXT will still train Johnnie for a huge fee. Oh yeah they are so nice that they will even find Johhnie a new club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 02:55 PM
I don't think any kids are reclassed on that HS team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 03:00 PM
Come on man, the constant homophobia is absurd and totally not needed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not at all my perverse friend. Ask other people that have kids on the team if BL cheats, you know some (come out of the closet) You yourself stated: (cut / paste from your post below)

" Their 2023 "B" team was playing and the second the game ended (and there were a few player that didn't look like "B" players) we all witnessed 3 players sprint from that field to the one above it (where they immediately joined the "A" BL team for a game.

It was the only game that BL played where the 3 players team came from a lower field to join the A game playing on the Stadium Field.

But again if the tournament director approved it as stated then it aint cheating why don't you call NXT and ask them since you seem desparate to prove a point.

Better yet go back to your favorite past time of watching young boys running around playing with their sticks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 03:03 PM
Rising Sons folded their 24 and 25 teams due to lack of interest. As everyone said 3 years ago, once the "head Son's" kid committed the program was over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very confused Rising Sons is done? Should my son attend tryouts?
The Sons will have 2021-2025 teams. They are working with NXT to create a training model specifically for their kids in these grades with hope that they choose NXT HS as rising freshman. Their highly successful 2020s are headed to NXT via an open tryout. I'd imagine a good majority of their kids will make it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 03:08 PM
Incorrect! HHH did it for 3 years and realized they had to do more because the model of just having 6,7,8th grade teams was silly and proved nothing. And as far as respect for Rising Sons, they don't have the level of respect you are stating. They were denied entry into the NLF and also were severely reprimanded by the Philly Spring League. Hogan at Hawks and the old Bethesda guys would no longer play them because of the cheating allegations and their real only friend was Igloo....who now couldn't care less.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
And thats exactly what they did. In a huge way. Developed players and continue to develop players. When HHH was running just 6,7,8 grade and funneling kids to Dukes were they not worth their salt? Are they worth their salt?? What an [lacrosse]. Look what they did in a few short years. Go ask around the top clubs in the country if their worth their salt. They are well respected despite what you keep saying to your self.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any program worth their salt should be able to keep and run teams through high school. I would be suspect of a club that couldn't. What is their real motivation in running their club? Anyone can find some youth kids to put together and win a tournament. A real club will develop players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 03:12 PM
Rumor is Wave One is helping get the team off the ground. Problem there is Wave One is run by a dad who has had his kid play on 5 or 6 different teams and he always moves because he does not believe coaches are being fair to his son. If he has money in Team 11 he will play an active role which could get very ugly, he and his wife can be really disruptive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sankey needs to break away from Wave One though. They are supposedly funding Team 11 which means things will get ugly fast!


Can anyone expand on this. Not familiar with the relationship.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 03:28 PM
Good question. HHH has some great coaches but yes, they are expensive and yes, the tryouts are costly. Many of the stud kids just go to the last official tryout so you really don't know how your kid stacks up until then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone offer information on HHH? The rolling tryout process seems like it's all about the money.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 03:40 PM
I love it. NXT blows up social media with "elite team in country". Tryouts were a farce. 12 Sons pre ordained and 5 token NXT kids make team. Only one of the five NXT kids would have made the Sons let alone "one of the best 2020 teams in the country". Feel bad for the Sons that were thrown under the bus and feel worse for essentially the whole team/parents of NXT lead down a dead end street. NXT couldn't train\field an elite team so they destroyed one to meet their "business model".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 03:41 PM
Mesa 21 won Young Guns this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Couldn't agree with you more; however, I can tell you that we didn't throw anything together. We just simply don't practice enough, and that will be rectifiied.

To put this into context this was a response from a post that Philly based teams can't beat the best Long Island and Baltimore Teams and that simply isn't true, and when we do beat them the Long Island guys are convinced we are cheating. Freedom 2022 has consistently beaten the top teams for several years and Brotherly Love 2023 and 2024 has as well. But in my opinion it is for one reason and one reason only. The Philly kids don't practice as much as those teams. If the BL 2023 team loses in sudden death to S2S, which was an excellent team, after practicing literally only 8 times in the Spring, how would they fare if they practiced 9 months out of the year like the LI and MD teams.

Then that same team beat Long Island Express in the consolation game withouth 2 starting poles.

Therer is little doubt the LI teams are more skilled but that can be addressed by the Philly Teams practicing more and I see that gap being closed in the next two years.

To stir the pot further I do think that it is interesting that at 2022 and below that the clubs that charge 50% less than the big name clubs and run by dads are the only ones in the discussion capable of beating the powerhouse clubs from LI and MD. Throw in the Freedom 2025 Team which looks impressive and it is a shutout.


Which Philly 2022 or 2021 club won any tournament attended by the top LI and MD clubs?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 03:45 PM
Both teams just folded as of Sunday! Completely screwed their kids over. TD doesn't care about the program anymore, his kid committed and he is washing his hands of it. TBH I don't blame him. I just feel bad for the younger kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any word on how the younger RS teams are doing? when you look on the site there seems to be no mention of a 2025 team and the 24's don't.... have a coach listed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 04:05 PM
Hold up there angry one. NXT has fielded highly competitive teams at the High School level. 2016-2019 all are very strong. Over 60 committed kids as well. The 12 Sons players are some of the best in Philly. There were actually a bunch of Lasalle kids that did not make the team and the 2020 coach is being coached by the head Lasalle Coach. Not so much of a farce. And by the way Nxt 2019 whooped on Mesa. To say they can't field an elite team is absurd.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I love it. NXT blows up social media with "elite team in country". Tryouts were a farce. 12 Sons pre ordained and 5 token NXT kids make team. Only one of the five NXT kids would have made the Sons let alone "one of the best 2020 teams in the country". Feel bad for the Sons that were thrown under the bus and feel worse for essentially the whole team/parents of NXT lead down a dead end street. NXT couldn't train\field an elite team so they destroyed one to meet their "business model".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 04:30 PM
2019 MESA was a mess last summer. NXT is good for "A" tournaments.
They would get crushed in "AA" tournaments.

The twelve RS kids made the team before tryout started.
Not sure what that says about the legitimacy of the tryout
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 04:34 PM
Would guess at least 5, probably 7.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 04:34 PM
Reading isn't a strong point
It said grow younger programs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 04:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, I see that TD is posting on Facebook about how happy he is that 12 of the Rising Sons made NXT. I guess he doesn't care about the other half of the kids that got cut?! What a D*&^ move... And, I see that he removed the post, so someone clued him in that only a total [lacrosse] would do that in the first place. Of course, anyone that knows TD knows that it par for the course with him.
OMG one I can't believe he is friends with you (vomit), 2, he should be happy that he developed kids to play at a high level, 3 you have some serious issues you need to work out with yourself. Good job to those that made it. Oh and 4, the post is still up maybe he just removed you?

1. Not friends with him, but know a parent of a boy who didn't make it. (Who sent a screen shot to me)
2. I tried to tell them years ago not to be associated with him, but they didn't listen. Now they wish they would have. Clearly, he could care less about the boys that didn't make it. He could have at least waited a week to brag
3. He can be as proud as he wants, but there is NO REASON to post them when 1/2 of the team didn't make it.
4. If he still has it up, just proves what a [lacrosse] he is.
5. And it is laughable that you would say he developed anyone, he is nothing more than a over the top lacrosse dad. He has zero experience coaching or playing the sport
Hey this sounds like one of our long island moms that son got cut from the program and probably is a jv football player. I just came on the philly page and you guys don't waste anytime


Is there something wrong with being a "JV football" player? I don't understand what your point is?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2019 MESA was a mess last summer. NXT is good for "A" tournaments.
They would get crushed in "AA" tournaments.

The twelve RS kids made the team before tryout started.
Not sure what that says about the legitimacy of the tryout
totally false. But that fits what you need to tell yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 04:44 PM
Caught you TD!! You know how you always wonder who the anonymous posters are and you look for similarities to determine who it is?? This is evidence that the below message is from TD!! I have multiple forwarded emails from last year's NXT cheating scandal where TD mentions how "all of his kids love and respect him" and how he was so "pissed that everyone was trying to impugn his character."
Can't fault him though, not sure I could take the constant heat he gets on here without speaking up!


Originally Posted by Anonymous
He also won the event this past year. He was a student of the game and the kids all respected and loved him. All of them. Pisses me off that you try to impugn his character.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 04:57 PM
Hold on great defender of all things NXT. Your right, the 12 Sons deserved to make it as they are very good, but they were picked before the tryout. As for the 5 NXT kids that made it only one deserved it. Funny how you did comment on that but started rambling on about LaSalle kids. My point is 17 of the kids were picked before tryouts, leaving 8 spots for the 100 kids left trying out over the weekend. NXT cashed in. Complete farce.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 07:00 PM
30-40 defenders competing for 1-2 spots
40-45 attack competing for 1-2 spots
Goalies Thanks for your donation
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 08:25 PM
It's a tryout. Kids get cut. Deal with it.
Should NXT be "loyal" to their kids that have played on those joke teams for all those years? No. At this level it gets reshuffled.
It's not about how much you spent so your little princess could make bandits a few years back. It's about their reputation for fielding great teams.
Loyalty? In competitive sports? Go join a club where everyone makes it and if you cut the check you're on the team.
Put princess back in his safe space and tell him how this is all BS and it's all rigged and he's the best lax player ever and if that one kid didn't reclass and if the coach's son wasn't friends w/ so and so and blah blah blah.
Best thing that ever happened to my kid was to get cut once long ago.
Maybe the everyone gets to make the team AND get a trophy mentality isn't preparing your princesses for the reality of life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hold on great defender of all things NXT. Your right, the 12 Sons deserved to make it as they are very good, but they were picked before the tryout. As for the 5 NXT kids that made it only one deserved it. Funny how you did comment on that but started rambling on about LaSalle kids. My point is 17 of the kids were picked before tryouts, leaving 8 spots for the 100 kids left trying out over the weekend. NXT cashed in. Complete farce.

How were the kids "picked" before the tryout? You mean they're really good and they'd be stupid NOT to take them?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 09:06 PM
Good god. Imagine the inboxes of those NXT and Sons coaches who didn't make it. The venom those parents were spitting I'm sure could keep princess off many future teams.
Remember that some of these teams know the parents. And some of the parents are trainwrecks.
So who's starting another team for Johnny and his buddies that didn't make NXT? You'll show 'em who's boss, won't cha?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 09:15 PM
Exactly how RS got started
Can't start on one team go start your own
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good god. Imagine the inboxes of those NXT and Sons coaches who didn't make it. The venom those parents were spitting I'm sure could keep princess off many future teams.
Remember that some of these teams know the parents. And some of the parents are trainwrecks.
So who's starting another team for Johnny and his buddies that didn't make NXT? You'll show 'em who's boss, won't cha?


You clearly don't know anything about the Sons 2020 team, because if you did, you would know that the parents that are "train wrecks" all had kids that made the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 09:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Exactly how RS got started
Can't start on one team go start your own


100% accurate, and that is the "train wreck" parent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/01/16 10:40 PM
That's the problem with most of these clubs. They get into it for all the wrong reasons. Sons will be done soon and there are a couple others that seem to fit this mold. Sickening!! They give lax a bad rap.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/02/16 12:32 PM
Can't pretend to know much about Rising Sons other than they were started by a dad, very successful, they charged alot of money, and they were cheating. But your sickening comment is a bit misguided. Quite a few posters above have linked Brotherly Love to RS and I suspect you are doing the same. BL was started by dads, very succesful, and now being accused of cheating. I can tell you they are not cheating as my son plays on the team and has played with the core Kennett group since he picked up a stick.

Also the one dad's son in my opinion could start on any 2024 club team in the country so he didn't start the club because "Johnny got cut or didn't have enough playing time." What I do know is that they are one of the cheapest options for club lacrosse in Philly. Last year I paid $450 and then between fall and summer for 4 tournaments. Looked up my bank account and my total outlay for the year was $950. Friends and neighbors are saying they are receiving invites from Philly based clubs for $1,600, $2,500, $2,000, and $3,000. Starting your own club isn't sickening that is capitalism. Taking people to the cleaners by charging that much money to play elementary/middle school lacrosse.....SICKENING!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/02/16 12:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's happening at HHH that there were a dozen kids trying out for NXT 2020?


HHH 2020 players were told they would need to tryout again for next years team. Usually all the 8th graders get an automatic invite back. I think many of them tried out for Team 11, Dukes, and other clubs. The HHH team size is going to be cut back this year in order to make a stronger team.
Evaluations start on the 10th and official tryout is September 25.
New Home for HHH is Germantown Academy

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/02/16 03:12 PM
How do people like Mesa?? Is their coaching staff and exposure good?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/02/16 03:30 PM
Do you think HHH will have a better team because of the reduced roster?
I believe Philly Freedom is a legit 2020 team. Maybe they'll pick up the scraps from the NXT tryouts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/02/16 03:46 PM
So daddy ball is, indeed, cheaper than the other clubs that are charging $2k.
The difference is in paid coaching.
HHH, the lower RS teams, most other good clubs hire real coaches, not daddys.
I'm sure there's some dads out there that can coach, no doubt.
For me and my money I want paid, professional coaches to develop my kids, not some dude I drink and play golf with on the weekends.
Let your kid out of his comfort zone where he doesn't know the coaches and they don't know him. You'll get more out of that kid than you've seen before. I've seen it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/02/16 04:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do people like Mesa?? Is their coaching staff and exposure good?
Always a crap shoot. Exposure depends on the team. Coaches are going to watch the teams that are good. 2020's were awful this summer. 2019's were not strong, 2018's have a ton of talent and 2017's were just ok.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/02/16 04:41 PM
So if your point is true and there may be merit in it why can none of the teams that charge 2K compete with the daddy ball teams? 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 name me one team in the Philly area that can consistently beat the daddy ball clubs such as Freedom and Brotherly Love. Not only can they not compete for the most part they get crushed. It is actually embarrasing to sit on the sideline and watch these teams play each other and we are on the winning team and I feel embarassed. Even some of the best teams in MD and LI are coached by dads.

Also, let's be honest HHH is running from the best local Philly teams. Might want to put down the kool aid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/02/16 04:50 PM
The question is "What is the goal?" And the answer is not to win every tournament and have the best team. The real answer and the goal of all these clubs is to get the kids in front of college coaches and that can be done without winning all your games. You need to be a solid team, win 75% or so, and get invited to the top tournaments and do ok. NXT showed themselves a bit here. If I was a parent of one of the kids who had played for 5 years on that team and now got cut I would tell my kid all the right things, BUT I would not be happy. Loyalty has to count for something and if you take a close look at their team it did....they kept their goalie from last year who is a great kid but was nowhere near the talent level of the other goalies who were at try outs. The question is why only him?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's a tryout. Kids get cut. Deal with it.
Should NXT be "loyal" to their kids that have played on those joke teams for all those years? No. At this level it gets reshuffled.
It's not about how much you spent so your little princess could make bandits a few years back. It's about their reputation for fielding great teams.
Loyalty? In competitive sports? Go join a club where everyone makes it and if you cut the check you're on the team.
Put princess back in his safe space and tell him how this is all BS and it's all rigged and he's the best lax player ever and if that one kid didn't reclass and if the coach's son wasn't friends w/ so and so and blah blah blah.
Best thing that ever happened to my kid was to get cut once long ago.
Maybe the everyone gets to make the team AND get a trophy mentality isn't preparing your princesses for the reality of life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/02/16 04:52 PM
That is so accurate!


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good god. Imagine the inboxes of those NXT and Sons coaches who didn't make it. The venom those parents were spitting I'm sure could keep princess off many future teams.
Remember that some of these teams know the parents. And some of the parents are trainwrecks.
So who's starting another team for Johnny and his buddies that didn't make NXT? You'll show 'em who's boss, won't cha?


You clearly don't know anything about the Sons 2020 team, because if you did, you would know that the parents that are "train wrecks" all had kids that made the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/02/16 05:01 PM
Let's be clear here. BL did get caught cheating, it was made very clear by NXT already. And they started their program because their founder, and best player's father, was not asked to coach at Freedom and he became incredibly miffed at that. These are facts.
Brotherly Love is cheapest in the area for their age groups. But that is because tourneys at that age are for the most part cheaper to attend. Right now it is most appropriate to look at middle school and high school as the best metric for cost;

7th Grade
BL....1100
Freedom....1300
RoughRiders....1300
Fusion....2000
Rising Sons....2000
Mesa....2500
NXT....2500
HHH.....2500 add in Uprising for another 600

High School

BL....??
Freedom....1800
RoughRiders....1800
Fusion....2500
HHH....2500 add in Uprising for another 600
Mesa....3000
NXT....3000





Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can't pretend to know much about Rising Sons other than they were started by a dad, very successful, they charged alot of money, and they were cheating. But your sickening comment is a bit misguided. Quite a few posters above have linked Brotherly Love to RS and I suspect you are doing the same. BL was started by dads, very succesful, and now being accused of cheating. I can tell you they are not cheating as my son plays on the team and has played with the core Kennett group since he picked up a stick.

Also the one dad's son in my opinion could start on any 2024 club team in the country so he didn't start the club because "Johnny got cut or didn't have enough playing time." What I do know is that they are one of the cheapest options for club lacrosse in Philly. Last year I paid $450 and then between fall and summer for 4 tournaments. Looked up my bank account and my total outlay for the year was $950. Friends and neighbors are saying they are receiving invites from Philly based clubs for $1,600, $2,500, $2,000, and $3,000. Starting your own club isn't sickening that is capitalism. Taking people to the cleaners by charging that much money to play elementary/middle school lacrosse.....SICKENING!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/02/16 05:04 PM
Paid coaching is not always better but this argument goes on forever and in circles. Joey Sankey's dad coached him and his buddies, he did pretty well. And Sauers dad coached him in high school and he's a Team USA kid. It depends on the guy.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
So daddy ball is, indeed, cheaper than the other clubs that are charging $2k.
The difference is in paid coaching.
HHH, the lower RS teams, most other good clubs hire real coaches, not daddys.
I'm sure there's some dads out there that can coach, no doubt.
For me and my money I want paid, professional coaches to develop my kids, not some dude I drink and play golf with on the weekends.
Let your kid out of his comfort zone where he doesn't know the coaches and they don't know him. You'll get more out of that kid than you've seen before. I've seen it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/02/16 05:10 PM
Good question and here is how it works.
Coaching quality is team by team and age by age. Exposure is by program and doesn't start until 8th grade, if the program gets invited to the top tourneys they get exposure. The only way to get invited is to have good teams. The only teams in Philly that get invited to the top tourneys are HHH, Mesa, Freedom, and sometimes Sons. When BL gets a team that age they will be invited as well.
The other teams simply go to second tier tourneys and get very minimal exposure. Teams like RoughRiders, Fusion, Dukes Young Guns, Black Bear, etc, etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do people like Mesa?? Is their coaching staff and exposure good?
Always a crap shoot. Exposure depends on the team. Coaches are going to watch the teams that are good. 2020's were awful this summer. 2019's were not strong, 2018's have a ton of talent and 2017's were just ok.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/02/16 05:14 PM
This statement is inaccurate. Coaches watch the "players" that are good, not the teams. The only trick is to get into/be invited to the right tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do people like Mesa?? Is their coaching staff and exposure good?
Always a crap shoot. Exposure depends on the team. Coaches are going to watch the teams that are good. 2020's were awful this summer. 2019's were not strong, 2018's have a ton of talent and 2017's were just ok.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/02/16 07:50 PM
Let's be clear here. BL did get caught cheating, it was made very clear by NXT already. And they started their program because their founder, and best player's father, was not asked to coach at Freedom and he became incredibly miffed at that. These are facts.
Brotherly Love is cheapest in the area for their age groups. But that is because tourneys at that age are for the most part cheaper to attend. Right now it is most appropriate to look at middle school and high school as the best metric for cost;


This post was brought to my attention.

In reading these threads, I can't assuage you from the conviction that Brotherly Love is cheating there way to tournament championships and dastardly pursuing wins while laying waste to the Philly youth lacrosse landscape. So I won't try; however, your representation of why I started the club is a gross misrepresentation.

This is how the events transpired. I took my oldest son to tryout for the 2023 Freedom Team, based upon my research I thought it was the best Philly based club. My son is a 2024 player and he made the 2023 team. His experience was excellent. Did they win every game, no. Did they win a single tournament, no. However, loved his two coaches, made new friends, had a blast, and got better. He eventually worked his way to a starting attack spot on the team, so no daddy ball either. The two coaches that Freedom had in place were excellent and he still talks fondly of them to this day and is excited when he sees them at games. After all, we are talking about a kid that is still in elementary school.

Despite the incredibly positive experience, this is why I started the club with another father.

1. It was a pain in the [lacrosse] driving all the way from Kennett to Downingtown and it literally took at least an hour one way during rush hour, anyone that has been on 202 at that time can vouch.

2. Kennett Community Teams were stacked at 2022, 2023, and 2024. I believe we could literally field a national caliber club from just one neighborhood, Hartefeld, and play with any team in the country.

3. Parents that disbursed throughout the various local club offerings asked me to start a club team because they thought 2K for a club team was a ridiculous amount of money.

4. I am an entrepeneur, it is in my DNA.

So there you have it. Freedom experience was fantastic, coaching was excellent, and if I had to do it all over again, would. The impetus came solely from the reasons above and nothing more. I was never asked to coach and after coaching 3 of my own kids at the rec level was looking forward to just lounging in my chair, toes in the grass, drinking a beer. I was spent. All of us that have coached football and lacrosse in particular know the feeling. End of the season there is just very little left in the tank. I was never "miffed" simply just glad to be there.

If you are going to state facts might want to get them straight before traversing the libel route.

Can't let it go... if you are so wrong about why I started Brotherly Love and blatantly fabricated the story it does cast some serious credibility on your ascertions that BL is a nefarious cheater and that NXT has reprimanded us. As one of the owners of the club I can tell you we have not been chided and I personally talked to their tournament director and validated our players oscillating from team to team as long as they played "down" was acceptable.

Step out of the shrouds of anonymity and let the truth set you free.
Jonathan Nurry
Brotherly Love, Co-Founder
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/02/16 08:23 PM
How many kids from HHH made 2020nxt??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/03/16 01:40 AM
I think five.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/03/16 01:53 AM
Clearly, BL has cheated. Kids are not stupid, when new players show up in playoffs and none of the players know their names...you are cheating. Make whatever excuse you want but it has been witness by people here and on the LI board. We all were a witnesses.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/03/16 02:44 AM
Uh yeah. My kid plays for BL and the two "guest" players they were referring to are a Downgingtown middie and a Kennett Pole. Yeah they were clearly bigger and better. Bad news for other 2023 teams is not only were they not guest players they will be back again next season. Just because they were wearing different shorts and a dad was brought in to help coach last minute who didn't know players names...please I sure hope you aren't in the legal profession. Kids aren't that stupid but you clearly are. Whatever helps you deal with the fact they are clearly better
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/03/16 12:36 PM
We played BL twice in the NXT League and I know the two boys, if it is their face off kid who stays on he is dominant. The pole playing LSM is ridiculous. You will be watching those boys on TV somdeday. Don't know if they are truly 2023 but if they are, scary.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/03/16 01:38 PM
Hey get your HYPE NIGHT here!! Only 200 bucks. Give little Johnnie some hope of making the team. Ring the cash register. Go team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/03/16 02:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey get your HYPE NIGHT here!! Only 200 bucks. Give little Johnnie some hope of making the team. Ring the cash register. Go team.


It does make you wonder what Percent of boys who made the team did events like this, and others through NXT, during the year? Did the boys from NXT that made it, habitually pay more for events like this, and the ones that didn't get cut? What about the Rising Sons that made it, did some funnel lots of money to NXT During the last 12 months? Things that make you wonder...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/03/16 03:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey get your HYPE NIGHT here!! Only 200 bucks. Give little Johnnie some hope of making the team. Ring the cash register. Go team.


It does make you wonder what Percent of boys who made the team did events like this, and others through NXT, during the year? Did the boys from NXT that made it, habitually pay more for events like this, and the ones that didn't get cut? What about the Rising Sons that made it, did some funnel lots of money to NXT During the last 12 months? Things that make you wonder...
Who knows but the kids that made the team also made the PA Allstar games this year and last year. There were also kid that made the PA Allstar team but did not make the NXT 2020 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/03/16 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey get your HYPE NIGHT here!! Only 200 bucks. Give little Johnnie some hope of making the team. Ring the cash register. Go team.


It does make you wonder what Percent of boys who made the team did events like this, and others through NXT, during the year? Did the boys from NXT that made it, habitually pay more for events like this, and the ones that didn't get cut? What about the Rising Sons that made it, did some funnel lots of money to NXT During the last 12 months? Things that make you wonder...
Who knows but the kids that made the team also made the PA Allstar games this year and last year. There were also kid that made the PA Allstar team but did not make the NXT 2020 team.


That's my point, is it pay to play? Even to make their "all-star" teams? You line their pockets and they pick your kid
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/03/16 05:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey get your HYPE NIGHT here!! Only 200 bucks. Give little Johnnie some hope of making the team. Ring the cash register. Go team.


It does make you wonder what Percent of boys who made the team did events like this, and others through NXT, during the year? Did the boys from NXT that made it, habitually pay more for events like this, and the ones that didn't get cut? What about the Rising Sons that made it, did some funnel lots of money to NXT During the last 12 months? Things that make you wonder...
Who knows but the kids that made the team also made the PA Allstar games this year and last year. There were also kid that made the PA Allstar team but did not make the NXT 2020 team.


That's my point, is it pay to play? Even to make their "all-star" teams? You line their pockets and they pick your kid
yeah i don't think so their kids paid the most and they didn't get chosen. They picked the top kids, they were very upfront with current nxt parents
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/03/16 05:22 PM
Where are the 2020 philly teams going this Fall?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/04/16 04:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are the 2020 philly teams going this Fall?


How's the Mesa Fall Brawl line up looking?

I've heard the 3d IMG tourney in Delaware is drawing some good teams.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/04/16 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are the 2020 philly teams going this Fall?


How's the Mesa Fall Brawl line up looking?

I've heard the 3d IMG tourney in Delaware is drawing some good teams.

no 2020's worth anything will go to Fall Brawl. They will all be a showcase events.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/04/16 07:27 PM
Does anyone have experience with prospect days? Are they worth it, or really just a money grab?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/04/16 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone have experience with prospect days? Are they worth it, or really just a money grab?


Prospect days are great avenues for recruiting if you approach them properly. First and foremost, be realistic about your skill level and GRADES! Player must have appeal in either grades, talent, or both.

Make sure the coach knows you are interested by emailing and sending video. Confirm attendance at prospect day with email and expression of interest. At prospect day, introduce yourself(player) to coach and make sure he knows your number.

Play well.

Ask to speak with coach afterward.
At some point during this process, you will likely learn of their interest in you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/05/16 11:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are the 2020 philly teams going this Fall?


How's the Mesa Fall Brawl line up looking?

I've heard the 3d IMG tourney in Delaware is drawing some good teams.

no 2020's worth anything will go to Fall Brawl. They will all be a showcase events.


What fall showcases are there?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/06/16 05:42 PM
Poor nxt parents\kids. All that money, traveling and hipe knighting for nothing. Like sheep lead over a cliff. Should have demanded better coaching/training. Instead all that money went to the van that plays loud music. Many other clubs in philly don't abandon the kids after eighth grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/06/16 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Poor nxt parents\kids. All that money, traveling and hipe knighting for nothing. Like sheep lead over a cliff. Should have demanded better coaching/training. Instead all that money went to the van that plays loud music. Many other clubs in philly don't abandon the kids after eighth grade.
For starters thats not true. Most elite clubs have tryouts every year. At least NXT keeps the team once they are Freshman. No more tryouts. ALL other clubs have tryouts every year. NXT doesn't allow for guest players, doesn't allow out of state "fly in" studs. All the others do.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/06/16 08:40 PM
Pretty sure that NXT offers a one-time open try out to their high school teams in the 9th grade and has for a few years now. Just because your kid didn't make the cut doesn't mean the process is suddenly unfair.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/06/16 10:29 PM
Penn State has the best 2020 attackman committed. And they also have the weakest.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/06/16 11:11 PM
Who is the best?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/07/16 12:49 PM
Great talking points!! There were 23 kids on nxt roster for eighth grade. Five of those kids made the ninth grade team. Four of those for show, as there was way better talent on the field for tryouts. It is a fair question to ask, if only one of 23 kids was talented enough to make the team, is this a reflection of poor coaching/training for the money?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Poor nxt parents\kids. All that money, traveling and hipe knighting for nothing. Like sheep lead over a cliff. Should have demanded better coaching/training. Instead all that money went to the van that plays loud music. Many other clubs in philly don't abandon the kids after eighth grade.
For starters thats not true. Most elite clubs have tryouts every year. At least NXT keeps the team once they are Freshman. No more tryouts. ALL other clubs have tryouts every year. NXT doesn't allow for guest players, doesn't allow out of state "fly in" studs. All the others do.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/07/16 02:40 PM
If the entire Rising Sons roster (+ some talented players from HHH, Mesa, etc..) had decided to try out for any one local club, some 2020's were going to be displaced.

The good news is if your kid is as great as you think he'll have no problem finding a home. There are plenty of clubs that would be happy to take a stud who slipped through the cracks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/07/16 03:52 PM
Can't believe you all have this much discussion on a Philly board.
The LI board is much better, just like on the LAX field, I guess.
Your teams are weak.
Your parents are weak.
Your kids are weak.
Your coaching is weak.
Get it together and rally one team with the best kids and come to the island or shut up already.
We own you. When your kids are at showcases w LI kids they get destroyed. Please get better Philly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/07/16 06:21 PM
There are two good 2020 teams on Long Island the rest of the teams are not very good.
Across the board the parents are brutal. Not sure who are worse
Boston or LI.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/07/16 08:00 PM
Philly tried that....it was called Rising Sons 2021. Unfortunately due to daddy ball and cheating it imploded.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/07/16 09:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Philly tried that....it was called Rising Sons 2021. Unfortunately due to daddy ball and cheating it imploded.
haha. Back stronger than ever.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/08/16 12:33 AM
Mr. Nurry, where there is smoke there's fire....."let the truth set you free". He doth protest too much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's be clear here. BL did get caught cheating, it was made very clear by NXT already. And they started their program because their founder, and best player's father, was not asked to coach at Freedom and he became incredibly miffed at that. These are facts.
Brotherly Love is cheapest in the area for their age groups. But that is because tourneys at that age are for the most part cheaper to attend. Right now it is most appropriate to look at middle school and high school as the best metric for cost;


This post was brought to my attention.

In reading these threads, I can't assuage you from the conviction that Brotherly Love is cheating there way to tournament championships and dastardly pursuing wins while laying waste to the Philly youth lacrosse landscape. So I won't try; however, your representation of why I started the club is a gross misrepresentation.

This is how the events transpired. I took my oldest son to tryout for the 2023 Freedom Team, based upon my research I thought it was the best Philly based club. My son is a 2024 player and he made the 2023 team. His experience was excellent. Did they win every game, no. Did they win a single tournament, no. However, loved his two coaches, made new friends, had a blast, and got better. He eventually worked his way to a starting attack spot on the team, so no daddy ball either. The two coaches that Freedom had in place were excellent and he still talks fondly of them to this day and is excited when he sees them at games. After all, we are talking about a kid that is still in elementary school.

Despite the incredibly positive experience, this is why I started the club with another father.

1. It was a pain in the [lacrosse] driving all the way from Kennett to Downingtown and it literally took at least an hour one way during rush hour, anyone that has been on 202 at that time can vouch.

2. Kennett Community Teams were stacked at 2022, 2023, and 2024. I believe we could literally field a national caliber club from just one neighborhood, Hartefeld, and play with any team in the country.

3. Parents that disbursed throughout the various local club offerings asked me to start a club team because they thought 2K for a club team was a ridiculous amount of money.

4. I am an entrepeneur, it is in my DNA.

So there you have it. Freedom experience was fantastic, coaching was excellent, and if I had to do it all over again, would. The impetus came solely from the reasons above and nothing more. I was never asked to coach and after coaching 3 of my own kids at the rec level was looking forward to just lounging in my chair, toes in the grass, drinking a beer. I was spent. All of us that have coached football and lacrosse in particular know the feeling. End of the season there is just very little left in the tank. I was never "miffed" simply just glad to be there.

If you are going to state facts might want to get them straight before traversing the libel route.

Can't let it go... if you are so wrong about why I started Brotherly Love and blatantly fabricated the story it does cast some serious credibility on your ascertions that BL is a nefarious cheater and that NXT has reprimanded us. As one of the owners of the club I can tell you we have not been chided and I personally talked to their tournament director and validated our players oscillating from team to team as long as they played "down" was acceptable.

Step out of the shrouds of anonymity and let the truth set you free.
Jonathan Nurry
Brotherly Love, Co-Founder
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/08/16 12:37 AM
1 attackman and 1 defenseman don't make a team TD.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Philly tried that....it was called Rising Sons 2021. Unfortunately due to daddy ball and cheating it imploded.
haha. Back stronger than ever.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/08/16 01:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1 attackman and 1 defenseman don't make a team TD.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Philly tried that....it was called Rising Sons 2021. Unfortunately due to daddy ball and cheating it imploded.
haha. Back stronger than ever.
haha you think everything is td, your a goof go look at yourself in the mirror........I know thats what i'm talking about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/08/16 02:24 AM
Some people have so little going on in their lives, they would rather discuss yours. ~Unknown
:-)


quote=Anonymous]Mr. Nurry, where there is smoke there's fire....."let the truth set you free". He doth protest too much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's be clear here. BL did get caught cheating, it was made very clear by NXT already. And they started their program because their founder, and best player's father, was not asked to coach at Freedom and he became incredibly miffed at that. These are facts.
Brotherly Love is cheapest in the area for their age groups. But that is because tourneys at that age are for the most part cheaper to attend. Right now it is most appropriate to look at middle school and high school as the best metric for cost;


This post was brought to my attention.

In reading these threads, I can't assuage you from the conviction that Brotherly Love is cheating there way to tournament championships and dastardly pursuing wins while laying waste to the Philly youth lacrosse landscape. So I won't try; however, your representation of why I started the club is a gross misrepresentation.

This is how the events transpired. I took my oldest son to tryout for the 2023 Freedom Team, based upon my research I thought it was the best Philly based club. My son is a 2024 player and he made the 2023 team. His experience was excellent. Did they win every game, no. Did they win a single tournament, no. However, loved his two coaches, made new friends, had a blast, and got better. He eventually worked his way to a starting attack spot on the team, so no daddy ball either. The two coaches that Freedom had in place were excellent and he still talks fondly of them to this day and is excited when he sees them at games. After all, we are talking about a kid that is still in elementary school.

Despite the incredibly positive experience, this is why I started the club with another father.

1. It was a pain in the [lacrosse] driving all the way from Kennett to Downingtown and it literally took at least an hour one way during rush hour, anyone that has been on 202 at that time can vouch.

2. Kennett Community Teams were stacked at 2022, 2023, and 2024. I believe we could literally field a national caliber club from just one neighborhood, Hartefeld, and play with any team in the country.

3. Parents that disbursed throughout the various local club offerings asked me to start a club team because they thought 2K for a club team was a ridiculous amount of money.

4. I am an entrepeneur, it is in my DNA.

So there you have it. Freedom experience was fantastic, coaching was excellent, and if I had to do it all over again, would. The impetus came solely from the reasons above and nothing more. I was never asked to coach and after coaching 3 of my own kids at the rec level was looking forward to just lounging in my chair, toes in the grass, drinking a beer. I was spent. All of us that have coached football and lacrosse in particular know the feeling. End of the season there is just very little left in the tank. I was never "miffed" simply just glad to be there.

If you are going to state facts might want to get them straight before traversing the libel route.

Can't let it go... if you are so wrong about why I started Brotherly Love and blatantly fabricated the story it does cast some serious credibility on your ascertions that BL is a nefarious cheater and that NXT has reprimanded us. As one of the owners of the club I can tell you we have not been chided and I personally talked to their tournament director and validated our players oscillating from team to team as long as they played "down" was acceptable.

Step out of the shrouds of anonymity and let the truth set you free.
Jonathan Nurry
Brotherly Love, Co-Founder
[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/08/16 09:50 PM
Heard they found a bunch of 2020 evaluation sheets in the trashcan with doodle art all over them. Now at dinner tonight, I can explain to my stud kid why he fell through the cracks.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the entire Rising Sons roster (+ some talented players from HHH, Mesa, etc..) had decided to try out for any one local club, some 2020's were going to be displaced.

The good news is if your kid is as great as you think he'll have no problem finding a home. There are plenty of clubs that would be happy to take a stud who slipped through the cracks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/08/16 11:33 PM
God forbid little Johnny face a setback in his young life....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/09/16 12:26 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
God forbid little Johnny face a setback in his young life....


Says the dad who has done everything in his power to make sure his kid made the team!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/12/16 06:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1 attackman and 1 defenseman don't make a team TD.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Philly tried that....it was called Rising Sons 2021. Unfortunately due to daddy ball and cheating it imploded.
haha. Back stronger than ever.
haha you think everything is td, your a goof go look at yourself in the mirror........I know thats what i'm talking about.


What does this mean? "I know that's what i'm talking about" and what is td? is this some type of code?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/12/16 11:20 PM
TD is short for Tad Doyle the founder of Rising sons. He is kinda like the jesus of philly lax some think he is the mesiah others think he is a lunatic. I am somewhere in the middle
Posted By: Anonymous Re: BOTC Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/13/16 11:16 AM
Jesus that is a stretch
Posted By: Anonymous Re: BOTC Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/15/16 04:36 PM
Let's get some constructive conversation going here...
Who's gonna win Fall Brawl?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: BOTC Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/15/16 05:30 PM
You can't "win" Fall Brawl. I believe its 3 games and done. They charge $800 to run 1 game. So my guess Mesa is the winner.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: BOTC Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/15/16 05:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's get some constructive conversation going here...
Who's gonna win Fall Brawl?
I dare somebody come on hear and say Sons. I dare you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: BOTC Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/15/16 09:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's get some constructive conversation going here...
Who's gonna win Fall Brawl?
I dare somebody come on hear and say Sons. I dare you.


The Sons started the philly lax revolution. Before them it lousy clubs coached by college kids who didnt want to be there. After the 2020s got going people realized that kids wanted to be active year round and have better non dad coaches. Now there are better options than fever and pyla in the area. You call the sons cheaters, I call them revolutionaries.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: BOTC Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/16/16 12:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's get some constructive conversation going here...
Who's gonna win Fall Brawl?
I dare somebody come on hear and say Sons. I dare you.


The Sons started the philly lax revolution. Before them it lousy clubs coached by college kids who didnt want to be there. After the 2020s got going people realized that kids wanted to be active year round and have better non dad coaches. Now there are better options than fever and pyla in the area. You call the sons cheaters, I call them revolutionaries.
Agreed. We've played with a few clubs in philly and landed last year with the Sons. Head and shoulders above anything we've been to. People can say what they want but once you experience it your mind will change.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: BOTC Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/16/16 12:43 AM
Ouch. This will certainly stoke the conversation. Nice work TD.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: BOTC Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/16/16 02:31 AM
Can someone explain to me what is the purpose of the Dukes National team? How can a team that practices once a month be better than a top team that practices year round?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: BOTC Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/16/16 03:40 AM
Whooooaaaaaa, "Jesus of Philly Lax"??? I am sincerely hoping you don't mean that! Lacrosse has been huge in Philly for decades, and even if you meant just youth lacrosse you can't even breathe [lacrosse] name in the same sentence as guys like Norm Treinish, Jeff Pettit, John Linehan, [lacrosse] Lange, Ralph Davies, Tony Resch, Chris Flynn, and maybe 25 other guys. These are the guys who played in college and brought lacrosse to our kids by starting the youth leagues which led to quality high school play and then now the club teams. Tad started a program 4 years ago that will last 1 more year. He had one great team that imploded after 1 year.
Sorry for the ranting but it appears no one on this site knows the history of lacrosse in Philadelphia. It is rich and should be required knowledge for every parent and kid in the area.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TD is short for Tad Doyle the founder of Rising sons. He is kinda like the jesus of philly lax some think he is the mesiah others think he is a lunatic. I am somewhere in the middle
Posted By: Anonymous Re: BOTC Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/16/16 03:50 AM
What the [lacrosse] are you talking about? The evolution is simple;
Ashbee started youth lacrosse first with Abington right behind them. Then came SEPYLA and then CCLA. From there PYLA and Black Bear and a few others started. A few years later started Mesa, Freedom and some more and they got more competitive. Then came some more, Roughriders, HHH, Dukes Youth, and then Rising Sons. All were coached by fathers, even Rising Sons.
You are a moron and know nothing of the history of youth lacrosse in the area. What has hurt us so much in PA is the fathers who start programs who never played the game! This is not football, this is not baseball, lacrosse is a fraternity and all of us who played the game in college and who are watching you all run around like chickens with your heads cut off find it hysterical to think you are going to buy your way in.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's get some constructive conversation going here...
Who's gonna win Fall Brawl?
I dare somebody come on hear and say Sons. I dare you.


The Sons started the philly lax revolution. Before them it lousy clubs coached by college kids who didnt want to be there. After the 2020s got going people realized that kids wanted to be active year round and have better non dad coaches. Now there are better options than fever and pyla in the area. You call the sons cheaters, I call them revolutionaries.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: BOTC Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/16/16 03:53 AM
I love when Tad responds to his own messages as if he's a different person! Really going to suck when Rising Sons folds next year. They already folded their 24 and 25 teams and currently have only 3 teams left. Next year will have only 2 and TD will be watching his kid at Malvern.....the ship is sinking people!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's get some constructive conversation going here...
Who's gonna win Fall Brawl?
I dare somebody come on hear and say Sons. I dare you.


The Sons started the philly lax revolution. Before them it lousy clubs coached by college kids who didnt want to be there. After the 2020s got going people realized that kids wanted to be active year round and have better non dad coaches. Now there are better options than fever and pyla in the area. You call the sons cheaters, I call them revolutionaries.
Agreed. We've played with a few clubs in philly and landed last year with the Sons. Head and shoulders above anything we've been to. People can say what they want but once you experience it your mind will change.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: BOTC Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/16/16 11:10 AM
The 2020 Sons was a great team until half the kids were sent to the nxt money train and the other half sent on the train to nowhere. Why any parent/kid would waste their time or money on these two clubs is a complete mystery when after 8th grade its bye bye time. There are plenty of other great clubs in the philly area to choose from.
Posted By: Anonymous Re Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/16/16 12:52 PM
My kid is at sons for the coaching. The coaching NOW, not at HS showcase time.
What many of you don't realize is the reshuffle when these kids enter the HS years.
It happened before sons, it's gonna happen now, it's gonna happen in the future.
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE SNOWFLAKE PLAYS TODAY.
Get the best coaching and then decide who you will play for when he's a rising freshman.
I love all the loyalty talk about after 8th grade. You can jump ship on a program and conversely, they can cut ties with you.
Buyer beware.
Posted By: Anonymous Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/16/16 02:35 PM
Who reshuffles at high school now?
Freedom? no
Mesa? no
HHH? no
Dukes? no

NXT had a terrible team at 2020. They went out and cut a deal to
get 12 kids from a very good team. Then acted like they where having an open tryout. Made a couple thousand and picked up a couple additional kids. May have even dropped from a talent
level from the 2020 Rising Sons team. My guess is that it will happen again next year. So if your kid is a "Snowflake" on the Rising Sons team he will have no problem getting in with NXT. If he is not one of the "Snowflakes" he will be out in the cold with the other NXT and Rising Sons outsiders.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/21/16 02:26 PM
Heard that some parents aren't really happy with all of the selections of the NXT 2020 team. People have been overheard saying "this kid shouldn't have made it, _______ is better". Not a great way to start a season with a new team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/21/16 03:15 PM
nxt has had mediocre teams for years. They win hands down when it comes to social media though. Nobody does tweets, likes and selfies better
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/21/16 05:43 PM
Not surprising. nxt has had mediocre teams for years. tryouts were preordained. Parents shouldn't be happy. Look on the bright side though. Nobody does tweets, likes and selfies better than nxt. Great for little johnny exposure.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/21/16 05:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard that some parents aren't really happy with all of the selections of the NXT 2020 team. People have been overheard saying "this kid shouldn't have made it, _______ is better". Not a great way to start a season with a new team
Doubt it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/21/16 05:47 PM
They do reshuffle, especially this year. Freedom has the least amount of turnover. Most eventually leave Freedom to play for HHH or Mesa (back in the day) Starting with 2020 they've been able to keep their kids and add new ones. Mesa is totally rebuilding and will probably end up with a bunch of Sons kids. No loyalty on Mesa part. HHH is always having tryouts and kept a 35+ man roster last year. Dukes is irrelevant anymore but are always trying to load and unload kids
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who reshuffles at high school now?
Freedom? no
Mesa? no
HHH? no
Dukes? no

NXT had a terrible team at 2020. They went out and cut a deal to
get 12 kids from a very good team. Then acted like they where having an open tryout. Made a couple thousand and picked up a couple additional kids. May have even dropped from a talent
level from the 2020 Rising Sons team. My guess is that it will happen again next year. So if your kid is a "Snowflake" on the Rising Sons team he will have no problem getting in with NXT. If he is not one of the "Snowflakes" he will be out in the cold with the other NXT and Rising Sons outsiders.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/21/16 09:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard that some parents aren't really happy with all of the selections of the NXT 2020 team. People have been overheard saying "this kid shouldn't have made it, _______ is better". Not a great way to start a season with a new team
Doubt it.


I would find it very easy to believe, there is even someone on here saying that the level of the Sons old team may have dropped.
This is a quote from another post
"May have even dropped from a talent
level from the 2020 Rising Sons team"

I would bet money that whoever posted that has said it out loud too. And with the NXT policy of having every single team member receiving the same exact amount of minutes, and I am not saying that is a bad thing, I bet there are some people who are not impressed that their kid has to split time with a player that they feel is inferior. Doesn't say much about the people that are saying these things about their new "teammates"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/22/16 01:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard that some parents aren't really happy with all of the selections of the NXT 2020 team. People have been overheard saying "this kid shouldn't have made it, _______ is better". Not a great way to start a season with a new team
Doubt it.


I would find it very easy to believe, there is even someone on here saying that the level of the Sons old team may have dropped.
This is a quote from another post
"May have even dropped from a talent
level from the 2020 Rising Sons team"

I would bet money that whoever posted that has said it out loud too. And with the NXT policy of having every single team member receiving the same exact amount of minutes, and I am not saying that is a bad thing, I bet there are some people who are not impressed that their kid has to split time with a player that they feel is inferior. Doesn't say much about the people that are saying these things about their new "teammates"
That is not our policy at NXT.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/22/16 11:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They do reshuffle, especially this year. Freedom has the least amount of turnover. Most eventually leave Freedom to play for HHH or Mesa (back in the day) Starting with 2020 they've been able to keep their kids and add new ones. Mesa is totally rebuilding and will probably end up with a bunch of Sons kids. No loyalty on Mesa part. HHH is always having tryouts and kept a 35+ man roster last year. Dukes is irrelevant anymore but are always trying to load and unload kids
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who reshuffles at high school now?
Freedom? no
Mesa? no
HHH? no
Dukes? no

NXT had a terrible team at 2020. They went out and cut a deal to
get 12 kids from a very good team. Then acted like they where having an open tryout. Made a couple thousand and picked up a couple additional kids. May have even dropped from a talent
level from the 2020 Rising Sons team. My guess is that it will happen again next year. So if your kid is a "Snowflake" on the Rising Sons team he will have no problem getting in with NXT. If he is not one of the "Snowflakes" he will be out in the cold with the other NXT and Rising Sons outsiders.

What is a snowflake?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/22/16 11:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They do reshuffle, especially this year. Freedom has the least amount of turnover. Most eventually leave Freedom to play for HHH or Mesa (back in the day) Starting with 2020 they've been able to keep their kids and add new ones. Mesa is totally rebuilding and will probably end up with a bunch of Sons kids. No loyalty on Mesa part. HHH is always having tryouts and kept a 35+ man roster last year. Dukes is irrelevant anymore but are always trying to load and unload kids
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who reshuffles at high school now?
Freedom? no
Mesa? no
HHH? no
Dukes? no

NXT had a terrible team at 2020. They went out and cut a deal to
get 12 kids from a very good team. Then acted like they where having an open tryout. Made a couple thousand and picked up a couple additional kids. May have even dropped from a talent
level from the 2020 Rising Sons team. My guess is that it will happen again next year. So if your kid is a "Snowflake" on the Rising Sons team he will have no problem getting in with NXT. If he is not one of the "Snowflakes" he will be out in the cold with the other NXT and Rising Sons outsiders.

What is a snowflake?


Someone very special and unique, the joke being that in most areas there is no such thing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/23/16 02:14 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who reshuffles at high school now?
Freedom? no
Mesa? no
HHH? no
Dukes? no

NXT had a terrible team at 2020. They went out and cut a deal to
get 12 kids from a very good team. Then acted like they where having an open tryout. Made a couple thousand and picked up a couple additional kids. May have even dropped from a talent
level from the 2020 Rising Sons team. My guess is that it will happen again next year. So if your kid is a "Snowflake" on the Rising Sons team he will have no problem getting in with NXT. If he is not one of the "Snowflakes" he will be out in the cold with the other NXT and Rising Sons outsiders.

TD's on social media promoting his 2021's? He lost every kid two years ago how can he even think he has a good team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/23/16 04:30 PM
It just shows you what a mess other programs are. You leave RS, you can see they are imploding and you go back? What does that say for MESA, HHH and where ever else those kids went....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/23/16 04:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It just shows you what a mess other programs are. You leave RS, you can see they are imploding and you go back? What does that say for MESA, HHH and where ever else those kids went....
Who went back? I believe its all new.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/23/16 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It just shows you what a mess other programs are. You leave RS, you can see they are imploding and you go back? What does that say for MESA, HHH and where ever else those kids went....


The kids that went to Mesa have stayed there, except for 1. And, that team did better than the Rising Sons 2021 team ever did. Mesa was and still is the team to beat at 2021. TD can talk that team up all they want, after this year they won't exist and no one will ever remember them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/23/16 11:31 PM
Remember you are talking about the kids and their current team they play for. Whatever your jealousy is with RS, and the director, take it off line , be more constructive with the conversation or at least man up and don't be anonymous with your bad mouthing of all that is lacrosse in this area.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/24/16 03:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It just shows you what a mess other programs are. You leave RS, you can see they are imploding and you go back? What does that say for MESA, HHH and where ever else those kids went....


Thank God that means their parents stayed too. /The kids that went to Mesa have stayed there, except for 1. And, that team did better than the Rising Sons 2021 team ever did. Mesa was and still is the team to beat at 2021. TD can talk that team up all they want, after this year they won't exist and no one will ever remember them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/26/16 12:25 PM
How were HHH tryouts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/26/16 03:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How were HHH tryouts?
Very light, too many clubs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/27/16 11:41 AM
Why is it that at nxt run tournaments the nxt teams are put in the weakest groupings and still can't win?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/27/16 12:09 PM
Because their teams stink. There are only 4 -5 good teams in philly. Mesa, HHH Freedom Sons and I think brotherly love has one good team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is it that at nxt run tournaments the nxt teams are put in the weakest groupings and still can't win?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/29/16 04:40 PM
I'm from outside Philly, can anyone tell me what happened with Dukes?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/29/16 06:47 PM
It seems like Dukes can't put together teams in Philly anymore and are now doing "National" and "Virginia" teams.

What happened?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/30/16 01:46 AM
dukes is toast. Mesa, NXT, Freedom, HHH have a better model. For all the hatred spewing over TD, Ebe (and Gonzo bros) take the cake as dirtbags
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/30/16 01:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It seems like Dukes can't put together teams in Philly anymore and are now doing "National" and "Virginia" teams.

What happened?
They don't practice, therefore they don't train. Parents want more for their kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/30/16 03:08 AM
They parted ways with HHH which was their feeder program now they both are average clubs at best. HHH now can't beat anyone take a look at their scores in tourney machine don't even make it out of pool play. Dukes they are dying a slow death. Both were once great lost their moral compass and lured by $
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/30/16 10:48 AM
Dukes 2022 national I saw this past summer and they dismantled everyone. They were real good. Why was that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/30/16 10:54 AM
There is talk of a local Philly U13 team forming to compete in Denver July 2017. Does anyone have any info about it?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/30/16 10:58 AM
Is anyone familiar with a U13 Philly team being formed to compete in Denver 2017 Championships?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/30/16 11:15 AM
Maryland and New [lacrosse] kids seem to feed Dukes national teams now. How does that work? To
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/30/16 12:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dukes 2022 national I saw this past summer and they dismantled everyone. They were real good. Why was that?
Listen its really really easy to go out and put together the best kids on the East Coast and win games. However, that doesn't constitute a great program. Kids left that team because there wasn't any training or coaching. Big names, big promises no delivery. Just like many programs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/30/16 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dukes 2022 national I saw this past summer and they dismantled everyone. They were real good. Why was that?
Listen its really really easy to go out and put together the best kids on the East Coast and win games. However, that doesn't constitute a great program. Kids left that team because there wasn't any training or coaching. Big names, big promises no delivery. Just like many programs.


They dismantled teams in B tournaments. What were their best wins? Any wins against the Long Island big 4? Beat any team that made the HoCo playoffs?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/30/16 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dukes 2022 national I saw this past summer and they dismantled everyone. They were real good. Why was that?
Listen its really really easy to go out and put together the best kids on the East Coast and win games. However, that doesn't constitute a great program. Kids left that team because there wasn't any training or coaching. Big names, big promises no delivery. Just like many programs.


They dismantled teams in B tournaments. What were their best wins? Any wins against the Long Island big 4? Beat any team that made the HoCo playoffs?


Dukes Nationals is a joke. Of course you're going to win. You have some of the greatest talent on the East Coast.
The team isn't great because of coaching or a system. It's great because of the kids and the training those kids got from years 1-13.
The team is less than a year old and has practiced maybe 10 times. Total. You really think the coaching had anything to do with the success? Cool kits, custom helmets and gloves, an opportunity to play more lacrosse. That's the appeal for the kids.
It's an all star team that hasn't played anyone in any real tournament because all their players are playing on their "real" teams in said real tourneys.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/30/16 06:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is anyone familiar with a U13 Philly team being formed to compete in Denver 2017 Championships?

I'd love to hear about this...Public tryout or the dads get together at the Inter-AC social at Merion CC and hash out the roster?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/30/16 09:45 PM
Hasn't that always been the Dukes model? Grab the best kids, don't practice just go play. They tried starting a new model with Dukes South, but couldn't have chooses a worse person to run it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/01/16 02:36 PM
Are the guys who sent teams to the world games doing a team they all should have age eligible kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/01/16 07:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are the guys who sent teams to the world games doing a team they all should have age eligible kids.


That's why Wsyl is a joke. They are all pickup teams and not the teams that work together all year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/02/16 06:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hasn't that always been the Dukes model? Grab the best kids, don't practice just go play. They tried starting a new model with Dukes South, but couldn't have chooses a worse person to run it.


Hey Dukes, Napoleon Dynamite called, he want's his artwork back.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/03/16 04:13 PM
Duke's 2022 is ok, my son's team beat them 9-1 this summer. However, our team went 0-6 in the 2022 AA HOCO Spring league, so that may give you an idea of where they are on the spectrum of 'top teams', or at least how they compare to teams from the Baltimore/DC area.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/03/16 07:53 PM
Is that dukes or dukes nationals? They are two different animals.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/03/16 08:35 PM
I believe it was the Nationals, as Gonzo was the coach and he said there were a few kids from API Diamondbacks and other Baltimore area Teams. They were good, we were their only loss, so I think they finished 3rd (they beat Kooper's LC) in the consolation game.

I saw they have a National's Team evaluation this weekend, are there benefits to joining them vs a normal club Team? Or just more exposure for your kids if his team isn't one of the top club teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/03/16 10:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I believe it was the Nationals, as Gonzo was the coach and he said there were a few kids from API Diamondbacks and other Baltimore area Teams. They were good, we were their only loss, so I think they finished 3rd (they beat Kooper's LC) in the consolation game.

I saw they have a National's Team evaluation this weekend, are there benefits to joining them vs a normal club Team? Or just more exposure for your kids if his team isn't one of the top club teams?


Exposure? he kids are 12-13 for cripes sake!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/04/16 12:14 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I believe it was the Nationals, as Gonzo was the coach and he said there were a few kids from API Diamondbacks and other Baltimore area Teams. They were good, we were their only loss, so I think they finished 3rd (they beat Kooper's LC) in the consolation game.

I saw they have a National's Team evaluation this weekend, are there benefits to joining them vs a normal club Team? Or just more exposure for your kids if his team isn't one of the top club teams?


Exposure? he kids are 12-13 for cripes sake!!


It's great if your kid wants more lacrosse and you have lots of time and money and don't mind traveling a ton.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/04/16 02:52 PM
Couldn't agree more. Thanks for your viewpoint.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/04/16 02:57 PM
HHH IS A MONEY GRAB...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/04/16 05:49 PM
Nxt tourney this weekend. Who's in it?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/04/16 06:01 PM
Why do you say that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/06/16 11:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I believe it was the Nationals, as Gonzo was the coach and he said there were a few kids from API Diamondbacks and other Baltimore area Teams. They were good, we were their only loss, so I think they finished 3rd (they beat Kooper's LC) in the consolation game.

I saw they have a National's Team evaluation this weekend, are there benefits to joining them vs a normal club Team? Or just more exposure for your kids if his team isn't one of the top club teams?


Exposure? he kids are 12-13 for cripes sake!!



It's great if your kid wants more lacrosse and you have lots of time and money and don't mind traveling a ton.


My son plays for Duke's Nationals. It is more travel but my son is all over me to get out to everyone of their mini camps.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/07/16 01:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HHH IS A MONEY GRAB...


I guess your kid got cut.

HHH = 50+ committed kids to D1 schools. They must be doing something right
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/07/16 01:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HHH IS A MONEY GRAB...


I guess your kid got cut.

HHH = 50+ committed kids to D1 schools. They must be doing something right
cmon, when you attract D1 talent and the best kids in Philly you can't act like they are responsible for all that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/07/16 02:04 PM
Do they really have 50 of there kids committed? I see other teams posting about kids committing and than you find out said kid guest played one tournament for them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/07/16 03:36 PM
HHH Facts= 2017's 15+ commits, 2018's 15+ commits, 2019's 10+ commits

No club in the area comes close to those stats

Definitely worth the $$$
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/07/16 06:47 PM
Just looked at there site and again amazing how many teams take credit for the same kids. Not bashing any of them but how are say Dukes and HHH both listing Moore as a recruit?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/07/16 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just looked at there site and again amazing how many teams take credit for the same kids. Not bashing any of them but how are say Dukes and HHH both listing Moore as a recruit?


No different than 3D taking credit for a kid that just plays in one of their events.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/08/16 12:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HHH Facts= 2017's 15+ commits, 2018's 15+ commits, 2019's 10+ commits

No club in the area comes close to those stats

Definitely worth the $$$
oh yeah why did their top kids leave? the committed kids don't even play anymore
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/08/16 11:24 PM
Nobody is disputing the fact they were once excellent.

HHH Facts= They have not one a single tournament at 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 since they divorced from Dukes.

In fact if you look at their tourney machine scores they are getting their rear ends handed to them.

If you are going to pay that kind of $$$ the results would eventually show. The fact of the matter is that there are alot more club options than when they used to get all the top notch talent. The best kids are not blindly going to HHH anymore.

There are so many club options in Philly: Mesa, NXT, Team 11, Roughriders, Freedom, Team TEN, Brotherly Love, Bulldogs, Elevated Dukes, LIttle Dukes, Dukes South, Dukes North, Dukes East, Dukes Nationals, Dukes Just Give Us Your Money, ....getting the idea?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/09/16 12:27 PM
Please tell me that wasn't the dukes national team for 2022 yesterday. If it was they have a lot of recruiting to do.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/09/16 06:36 PM
Dukes national 2022 lost to Express 11-6
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 11:41 AM
What tourney did they play
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 12:36 PM
HHH and Mesa still have the best coaching and recruiting network in philly. All others are wannabes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 02:13 PM
That is quite the generalization. If HHH and Mesa still have the best coaching and recruiting why do teams like Freedom, Brotherly Love, and Rising Sons consistently prevail against them. At some point all that good coaching would pay some dividends don't you think.

Let's be honest, HHH in particular avoids playing the local club teams. At least Mesa has the balls to go toe to toe with against the local talent. HHH would rather get their [lacrosse] handed to them in Long Island than locally otherwise they would be exposed and the mystique would be gone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody is disputing the fact they were once excellent.

HHH Facts= They have not one a single tournament at 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 since they divorced from Dukes.

In fact if you look at their tourney machine scores they are getting their rear ends handed to them.

If you are going to pay that kind of $$$ the results would eventually show. The fact of the matter is that there are alot more club options than when they used to get all the top notch talent. The best kids are not blindly going to HHH anymore.

There are so many club options in Philly: Mesa, NXT, Team 11, Roughriders, Freedom, Team TEN, Brotherly Love, Bulldogs, Elevated Dukes, LIttle Dukes, Dukes South, Dukes North, Dukes East, Dukes Nationals, Dukes Just Give Us Your Money, ....getting the idea?

You realize they aren't afraid of playing outside of Philly, right?
They're getting beat by real teams in real tourneys. Not the local stuff.
Go on the Island and play some real teams. We will check your tourney machine scores too.
Get out of Philly and go play. Or don't and show all the other daddies on Facebook how little johnny and his buddies won Summer Slam.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 02:37 PM
That is false. NXT to their credit hosts great local tournaments and their participation amongst the top club teams in the country is second to none.

Look at NXT Cup which takes place locally and is a top notch tournament. Team 91, Long Island Express, Crabs, Bethesda, Laxachusetts, Leading Edge, Igloo, All of Canada, and the rest of the East Coast is at this tournament but where is HHH considering it is in their back yard. So you can't use the "lack of competition" excuse.

In fact all the other NLF teams have attended that tournament but no HHH....that is because you guys are hiding.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 02:58 PM
the only tourneys NXT can win are their own-and they put themselves in the easiest groupings every time! so obvious to everybody. Not fooling even 5th graders.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 03:07 PM
True. Great tourney. Good teams.
So play that competition for a six week summer schedule.
That's the point.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 04:18 PM
NXT high school teams are legit. Their youth teams have been average at best but are improving.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 05:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HHH and Mesa still have the best coaching and recruiting network in philly. All others are wannabes.
Not any more. Keep telling yourself that because your kid finally made one of those teams. Its all been changing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 05:43 PM
The point is that NXT also has Meltdown which is a few weeks before NXT Cup and takes place in Downingtown, PA and had more Philly and MD based teams than NY.

At the youth level they had:
BBL, Bethesda LC, Looneys, Mesa, Brotherly Love, Blue Star, Team 91 MD, and HardCor from Canada.

Definitely a notch below NXT Cup; however, do any of the HHH teams beat any of the teams listed above and all of them are good to very good.

Six weeks of getting your [lacrosse] handed to you in June and July traveling to LI while their friends are at the beach....that is why your tryouts were so lightly attended.

Again, All the respect for what HHH once was and in my opinion the best middle school teams in the country but it is different now and if they are to regain their status as best club team in Philly it starts with beating the best teams in Philly.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 05:43 PM
Guess your little snowflake didn't make either team. Since its changing so much, who's the best in your humble opinion?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 06:22 PM
Weighing in on this one.

We have quite a few snowflakes around our neighborhood that made both HHH and Mesa at various times and both those teams are chasing Freedom, Roughriders, and Brotherly Love.....Been discussed before ad nauseam but it seems to me the "dad" based model despite pros and cons is prevailing in Philly until High School then it shifts.

Sounds like HHH is being called out to me.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 06:50 PM
The To Philly Teams

2025 Freedom
2024 Brotherly Love
2023 Brotherly Love
2022 Freedom
2021 Mesa
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 07:04 PM
It is awesome that your team can win the Blue Hen classic and the Melt Down. It is really impressive. Those tournies always bring in the best competition. The Patriot games still has some slots open, should try to get in that one.

The comment " six weeks of getting your [lacrosse] handed to you while your friends are at the beach" says a lot about the person who posted.
So much better to play teams that suck so that you can post
how great your team is on your website.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
The point is that NXT also has Meltdown which is a few weeks before NXT Cup and takes place in Downingtown, PA and had more Philly and MD based teams than NY.

At the youth level they had:
BBL, Bethesda LC, Looneys, Mesa, Brotherly Love, Blue Star, Team 91 MD, and HardCor from Canada.

Definitely a notch below NXT Cup; however, do any of the HHH teams beat any of the teams listed above and all of them are good to very good.

Six weeks of getting your [lacrosse] handed to you in June and July traveling to LI while their friends are at the beach....that is why your tryouts were so lightly attended.

Again, All the respect for what HHH once was and in my opinion the best middle school teams in the country but it is different now and if they are to regain their status as best club team in Philly it starts with beating the best teams in Philly.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 08:22 PM
Just looked at Meltdown teams from 2016 and they are nowhere near the talent level of HHH. Please-don't even begin to compare those teams to any of the HHH teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 08:28 PM
Our teams won 3/4 at Blue Hen 2016 and you know what you can only beat the teams that are there. Decent competition and 3/4 aint bad. What has HHH done you still haven't answered the original question.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 08:41 PM
Blue Hen, please. Who did you beat, Lax World? Prime Time? Give me a break.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 09:36 PM
That is the point nobody can tell what the talent level of HHH is anymore because they go out of their way to not play the local teams. We can only beat the teams that go to the tournament however we also play the national teams as well.

But lets take a look at your NLF Summer Series from last year.

HHH Results
2024 Didn't even field a team

2023 Loss to 91 Bandits 18-1
Loss to 91 Warriors (there B Team) 12-5
Loss to Laxachusetts Green (there B Team) 9-8
Finally beat Team Superstar 14-4 but they are neither super nor stars

2022 Beat Leading Edge Elite 6-4 that team isn't good and you know it
Loss to LIE 10-5
Tie Express 8-8 Bad Long Island Team
Loss to 91 Smash 9-2
Loss to Superstar 9-2

2021 Loss to Eclipse 8-7 You think that Eclipse is good?
Finally spank someone Long Island Outlaws 9-1 U think they are good?
Loss to Laxachusetts A Team 12-2
Beat them in Losers Bracket 7-6 that is actually impressive good going

2020 Seams to be a good team went 3-1

2019 You came in last and didn't win a single game won't post the scores.

Again, once great but the original post was $$$ money grab...change the club name to Little 4 and one "H"



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/10/16 09:38 PM
Agreed HHH is fading, its like all these Penn State people trying to believe that Penn State football is still relevant
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/11/16 12:01 AM

Everyone is impressed that the Rising Sons beat : LI Bluefish,Dirty Jerseys,Team United, Team 201 and the predators.
That is awesome.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our teams won 3/4 at Blue Hen 2016 and you know what you can only beat the teams that are there. Decent competition and 3/4 aint bad. What has HHH done you still haven't answered the original question.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/11/16 01:05 AM
HHH is LOSING to other NLF B teams.

Rule Number 127:

If your Varsity Team cannot beat Junior Varsity Teams then you are not
Allowed to brag about your recruiting connections and superior coaching. In fact
You should say nothing because that says it all
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/11/16 02:34 AM
This is actually funny, Sons will be back at the top again at their 3 age groups. Dirty Jerseys, hahahaha
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone is impressed that the Rising Sons beat : LI Bluefish,Dirty Jerseys,Team United, Team 201 and the predators.
That is awesome.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our teams won 3/4 at Blue Hen 2016 and you know what you can only beat the teams that are there. Decent competition and 3/4 aint bad. What has HHH done you still haven't answered the original question.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/11/16 12:50 PM
When is the RS twitter feed going to shut down for good?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/11/16 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When is the RS twitter feed going to shut down for good?
Just unfollow, I know its hard to but try.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/11/16 04:32 PM
That is laughable and what's more funny is the poor poor parents who don't know it's all done after this year! The 22 and 23 coaches have agreed to try and hold on but TD is out! How can their 21 team be the best when Mesa is clearly the best followed by HHH and Freedom? And their 22 and 23 teams don't have a shot against Freedom and Brotherly Love.....PROPAGANDA MACHINE!




Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is actually funny, Sons will be back at the top again at their 3 age groups. Dirty Jerseys, hahahaha
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone is impressed that the Rising Sons beat : LI Bluefish,Dirty Jerseys,Team United, Team 201 and the predators.
That is awesome.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our teams won 3/4 at Blue Hen 2016 and you know what you can only beat the teams that are there. Decent competition and 3/4 aint bad. What has HHH done you still haven't answered the original question.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/11/16 05:30 PM
Who says he's out? We see him at every practice coaching the 2021's and working with our 2022's.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is laughable and what's more funny is the poor poor parents who don't know it's all done after this year! The 22 and 23 coaches have agreed to try and hold on but TD is out! How can their 21 team be the best when Mesa is clearly the best followed by HHH and Freedom? And their 22 and 23 teams don't have a shot against Freedom and Brotherly Love.....PROPAGANDA MACHINE!




Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is actually funny, Sons will be back at the top again at their 3 age groups. Dirty Jerseys, hahahaha
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone is impressed that the Rising Sons beat : LI Bluefish,Dirty Jerseys,Team United, Team 201 and the predators.
That is awesome.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our teams won 3/4 at Blue Hen 2016 and you know what you can only beat the teams that are there. Decent competition and 3/4 aint bad. What has HHH done you still haven't answered the original question.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/11/16 06:05 PM
He's a lunatic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 12:28 PM
Sons will be the second to third best Philly 2022 team for 2017.
They're pretty solid.
Best FO in Philly.
Top 2 goalie in Philly.
A solid group of Poles.
Middies and Attack are solid, not spectacular.
Like it or not, Sons are strong at this level.
Not saying they're gonna win the Philly Daddy Ball Championships but they should be more competitive than they've been in the past.
2022 Rankings, IMO:
Freedom
Sons
Rough Riders
HHH
Mesa
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 12:48 PM
How's HHH at 2022?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 12:49 PM
Funny thing about Daddy Ball is that it really comes down to favoritism and bias. The worse case scenario is the Daddy that puts Johnny at attack when everyone on the sidelines knows that Johnny doesn't has the skill set to play the position. However there are plenty of sons in Philly whose sons are just lights out as well.

The bias and favoritism doesn't stop there though. My kid plays for a very good club in Phllly with a long history of success; however, there is a ton of bias and favoritism and there are no Daddys coaching the team. The whole offense is focused on two kids and that is it. All the other players are filling out the required 10 players to play the game. While my kid isn't the best player on the team he obviously made the team and is certainly skilled enough to contribute. The irony of this kind of bias is that kids grow and develop at such different rates.

Whether it is daddy ball or coaching favoritism there will always be bias
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 01:00 PM
Guessing not that great. They were sharing a couple of Freedom boys that were doing both and the majority of them went back to Freedom and are not doing HHH this year. I think one player continues to do both.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 01:18 PM
I wouldn't discount Brotherly Love at 2022. My daughter plays on their girls team and I have watched their practices. They made some major changes and the practices are excellent. Say what you will and I know there was alot of chatter awhile ago about Frank doing it fo the money

Frank Urso is the Head Coach and not only has he been at every practice he is staying after and working with individual kids. He has brought in 5-6 of his high school boys to help, his defensive coordinator, his goalie coach, and they have a good core. They seem to be sharing some players with other clubs but the kids have been committed. Two boys from Dukes National team left and are playing for Frank including a stud goalie and middie, the best pole in Philly if not the country, stud attackman. They will need time but the core is there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 01:31 PM
Having HS or College kids help out is the absolute worst thing that can happen to a program.
Many on here who've been through this know what I'm sayin'.
If you want professional coaches, they need to be paid, like a professional.
*most* Daddies and zero HS kids can not teach the game or coach a kid like a pro.
Sideline observer: the two best goalies are at Freedom and Sons. Bar none. HHH has a pair of good ones too.
BL rules the 23s, not even in the discussion w the 22s...
As far as the guy doing it for the money, who cares. If he wants to make a buck, let him. Nobody forces anyone into these programs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 02:50 PM
I'd really like to see some age based restrictions out there.
My 13 year old 8th grader has quite a few 15 year olds on his team. Almost all are at least 14.
Just doesn't seem right or fair.
Guess I'll just reclass him, right?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 03:21 PM
The "guy doing it for the money"
Might want to google Frank Urso
Too funny
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 03:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wouldn't discount Brotherly Love at 2022. My daughter plays on their girls team and I have watched their practices. They made some major changes and the practices are excellent. Say what you will and I know there was alot of chatter awhile ago about Frank doing it fo the money

Frank Urso is the Head Coach and not only has he been at every practice he is staying after and working with individual kids. He has brought in 5-6 of his high school boys to help, his defensive coordinator, his goalie coach, and they have a good core. They seem to be sharing some players with other clubs but the kids have been committed. Two boys from Dukes National team left and are playing for Frank including a stud goalie and middie, the best pole in Philly if not the country, stud attackman. They will need time but the core is there.
Have you seen the Sons 2022 poles? I'd be hard pressed to think anyone has a defense like theirs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 05:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'd really like to see some age based restrictions out there.
My 13 year old 8th grader has quite a few 15 year olds on his team. Almost all are at least 14.
Just doesn't seem right or fair.
Guess I'll just reclass him, right?


A 15 year old in 8th grade is not right for anyone especially the young man whose academic progress has been stunted by a lacrosse crazed decision. What team are you talking about?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 05:49 PM
Anyone know who the "Chiefs" are?
They're listed as participants in the NXT Spring League for 2022AA.
I know Sons used to enter their teams in tourneys as "Chiefs" if they had to do a composite team of some sort.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 06:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wouldn't discount Brotherly Love at 2022. My daughter plays on their girls team and I have watched their practices. They made some major changes and the practices are excellent. Say what you will and I know there was alot of chatter awhile ago about Frank doing it fo the money

Frank Urso is the Head Coach and not only has he been at every practice he is staying after and working with individual kids. He has brought in 5-6 of his high school boys to help, his defensive coordinator, his goalie coach, and they have a good core. They seem to be sharing some players with other clubs but the kids have been committed. Two boys from Dukes National team left and are playing for Frank including a stud goalie and middie, the best pole in Philly if not the country, stud attackman. They will need time but the core is there.
Have you seen the Sons 2022 poles? I'd be hard pressed to think anyone has a defense like theirs.


We put 12 goals on that D last year won 12-2 in a tournament. May be good D in Philly in Maryland different story.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 06:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wouldn't discount Brotherly Love at 2022. My daughter plays on their girls team and I have watched their practices. They made some major changes and the practices are excellent. Say what you will and I know there was alot of chatter awhile ago about Frank doing it fo the money

Frank Urso is the Head Coach and not only has he been at every practice he is staying after and working with individual kids. He has brought in 5-6 of his high school boys to help, his defensive coordinator, his goalie coach, and they have a good core. They seem to be sharing some players with other clubs but the kids have been committed. Two boys from Dukes National team left and are playing for Frank including a stud goalie and middie, the best pole in Philly if not the country, stud attackman. They will need time but the core is there.
Have you seen the Sons 2022 poles? I'd be hard pressed to think anyone has a defense like theirs.


We put 12 goals on that D last year won 12-2 in a tournament. May be good D in Philly in Maryland different story.
Big upgrades
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 06:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wouldn't discount Brotherly Love at 2022. My daughter plays on their girls team and I have watched their practices. They made some major changes and the practices are excellent. Say what you will and I know there was alot of chatter awhile ago about Frank doing it fo the money

Frank Urso is the Head Coach and not only has he been at every practice he is staying after and working with individual kids. He has brought in 5-6 of his high school boys to help, his defensive coordinator, his goalie coach, and they have a good core. They seem to be sharing some players with other clubs but the kids have been committed. Two boys from Dukes National team left and are playing for Frank including a stud goalie and middie, the best pole in Philly if not the country, stud attackman. They will need time but the core is there.
Have you seen the Sons 2022 poles? I'd be hard pressed to think anyone has a defense like theirs.


We put 12 goals on that D last year won 12-2 in a tournament. May be good D in Philly in Maryland different story.

You mean in MD where the 2022s are all 14-15 year olds?
We are aware, broski.
I'd take any Philly age based team and know they'd give most teams a great game. Once we go to grade based, well, ya know, our boys can't hang w your men.
Just think, next year they can drive themselves to practice. As 8th graders. That must be nice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 08:42 PM
Please....Philly teams have just as many holdbacks. Sons are full of holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 09:21 PM
The only good 2023 in Maryland right now is Crabs, The rest not so much not sure what happened but considering the area I would have expected better
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/12/16 10:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please....Philly teams have just as many holdbacks. Sons are full of holdbacks.

Not only does MD hold them back, they reclass them too.
Seriously.
I've never seen a team from MD NOT a complete head taller across the board.
It's pretty bad MD daddy.
You know it.
Nothing can be done except to bash it on an anon message board to make you feel insecure about little johnny and how bad he'd be if he was playing a year up, where he would be if he were in Philly...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/13/16 06:26 PM
Can't believe im gonna do this but in the interest of defending PA lacrosse I have to defend the Sons. PA doesn't do holdbacks like MD and LI do. Yes there may be two on the Sons 21 team and I think another for HHH but that is it. Mesa & Freedom have none and either does RoughRiders. Dukes has 2 I think. This is nothing compared to Crabs!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please....Philly teams have just as many holdbacks. Sons are full of holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/13/16 06:48 PM
1
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can't believe im gonna do this but in the interest of defending PA lacrosse I have to defend the Sons. PA doesn't do holdbacks like MD and LI do. Yes there may be two on the Sons 21 team and I think another for HHH but that is it. Mesa & Freedom have none and either does RoughRiders. Dukes has 2 I think. This is nothing compared to Crabs!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please....Philly teams have just as many holdbacks. Sons are full of holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/14/16 02:08 PM
Who are the best programs for development of a player?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/14/16 05:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who are the best programs for development of a player?

The teams that carry multiple teams for grade do not anything for the "B" team players (Freedom White, Mesa Blue, Roughrider Select).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/14/16 08:15 PM
I think the year round programs are the best for development. Most of the improvement is realized through clinics and practices. Games not so much. There is nothing wrong with your kid playing on the B Team. Some of the best players out there both boys and girls started on B Teams.
I am a big believer in, look at what makes the kid good. Is he just simply bigger than everyone else and running over people. Are his stick skills better because he had a stick stuck in his hand at 2. Is there a foundation for sustainable success?

In middle school, can't tell you how many kids that were studs at 4,5,6 grade have now been surpassed. To me the things you look for are age agppropriate quickness and speed, IQ, vision, hustle/heart. All of those things can be developed on B Teams.

It really only makes a difference around 9th grade as not too many college coaches are going to be on the sideline watching a B game. Look at Rutgers and all the skill guys they have, most of them were off the radar guys and under recruited. Rob Pannell, Dylan Molloy, and the list goes on of kids that hit their stride Freshman year of college but developed out of the spotlight. How many really highly touted kids really delivered when they got to college.

Personally I think Matt Rambo has underdelivered in college considering his pedigree and look at the kid that was ranked #1 in his class, Jordan Evans that went to Syracuse and donned #22 to cite him as a disappointment is an understatement.

Keep on "developing" with reps from QUALITY coaches and see where that takes you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/15/16 01:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the year round programs are the best for development. Most of the improvement is realized through clinics and practices. Games not so much. There is nothing wrong with your kid playing on the B Team. Some of the best players out there both boys and girls started on B Teams.
I am a big believer in, look at what makes the kid good. Is he just simply bigger than everyone else and running over people. Are his stick skills better because he had a stick stuck in his hand at 2. Is there a foundation for sustainable success?

In middle school, can't tell you how many kids that were studs at 4,5,6 grade have now been surpassed. To me the things you look for are age agppropriate quickness and speed, IQ, vision, hustle/heart. All of those things can be developed on B Teams.

It really only makes a difference around 9th grade as not too many college coaches are going to be on the sideline watching a B game. Look at Rutgers and all the skill guys they have, most of them were off the radar guys and under recruited. Rob Pannell, Dylan Molloy, and the list goes on of kids that hit their stride Freshman year of college but developed out of the spotlight. How many really highly touted kids really delivered when they got to college.

Personally I think Matt Rambo has underdelivered in college considering his pedigree and look at the kid that was ranked #1 in his class, Jordan Evans that went to Syracuse and donned #22 to cite him as a disappointment is an understatement.

Keep on "developing" with reps from QUALITY coaches and see where that takes you.
Great post, and keep in mind that quality of the instruction. Is there feedback? My biggest chagrin is watching kids do things wrong with out correction. I would say most coaches i've watched over the years have set up great drills and have gotten kids a ton of reps but haven't stopped to correct the little things. Therefore coaches holding kids accountable about all the little things is what I would look out for. You can shoot a ball 1000 times, and if your doing it wrong you can get REALLY GOOD and shooting REALLY BAD.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/16/16 04:18 PM
I will reclass my snowflake after 8th grade.
Why?
Going from public to private school: adjusting to the academic workload.
Age: he's a July birthday which makes him the youngest in his class or on his team. I've talked to many educators and they all say the same thing: it can't hurt but only helps them academically.
Sports: yep, I'll say it, little Johnny is ok now as a young 22. He should be even better as a 23, where he should be. Size matters in this sport.
His desire: he want to do this and I feel keeping him in school an extra year before HS isn't a bad thing. I know I could've used an extra year to mature.
Why am I posting this here? Because I love this site and this is where we should all come for life advice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/16/16 06:07 PM
Great post. Love the honesty. We did it for same exact reasons... best thing we ever did. He is also a July bday. Played up (U13 at 11, U15 as a 12 yr old etc) until it came time to get in front of recruiters. He is committed at a top D1 school and is on a mission to add speed and size and play a few other sports. In addition, he is joining other academic clubs etc.. and on top of it all he will graduate at 18 yrs vs 17yrs. Certainly ok with that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/16/16 09:25 PM
I never considred doing this but you both make good points. I can tell you that I reflect on my life and there is little doubt that more maturity that only comes with age and life experiences would have done me good. The extra year would have helped academically, athletically, and perspetive. How many of us really knew what we wanted to do straight out of high school. I for one think a year off before going to college is a good idea as long as it doesn't turn into 5 years. Postgrad year? Also a good idea, a couple of top end recruits are doing that right now. Bubba the #1 ranked recruit in the country that just bumped Matt Moore is reclassing righ now with a PG year. Manown going to Duke is doing a PG year as well.
Should we start college when we are 18 or does 20 perhaps offer a better foundation. Are they cheating, no? Boys mature and develop more slowly and if it allows you to do better in the classroom and field while ultimately preparing you for the game of life....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/16/16 09:38 PM
Yes!!! Spot on.. my first year of college I had a 2.0 and spent the next 3 years clawing out a hole left by one immature mistake after another. PG also good option for some boys...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/19/16 11:03 AM
Philly Freedom Play Day this Sunday!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/19/16 10:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Philly Freedom Play Day this Sunday!
Predictions?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/20/16 04:11 AM
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/21/16 12:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/21/16 02:05 PM
Really - we are predicting outcomes of a fall play day. People need to get out of their parent's basement...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/21/16 02:14 PM
Got my own entertainment center, homecooked meals, laundry service and best of all free rent....why should I ever leave.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/21/16 02:45 PM
You see this is the problem with this. Fall lacrosse is not about wins and losses at all. Its not that way at any level, even college. These are opportunities to see where new players fit and try new things. If we start declaring people "champions" of fall play days we shortchange everything.
Stupid Rising Sons parent obvi! And I think he replied to his own post!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/21/16 03:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You see this is the problem with this. Fall lacrosse is not about wins and losses at all. Its not that way at any level, even college. These are opportunities to see where new players fit and try new things. If we start declaring people "champions" of fall play days we shortchange everything.
Stupid Rising Sons parent obvi! And I think he replied to his own post!!
pretty sure there are no champions in any events this fall
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/21/16 05:12 PM
Agreed most do not have a championship and are simple 3 and done or 4 and done. Fall ball is off season evaluation and tinkering time not win the t-shirt time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/22/16 03:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only good 2023 in Maryland right now is Crabs, The rest not so much not sure what happened but considering the area I would have expected better


BLC 2023 and Hawks 2023 teams are both very good .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/23/16 12:14 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love


Not a great day for lacrosse today, how did it end up?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/23/16 04:13 AM
My Job may be moving me to PA (Blue Bell Area). I have an 8th grader that struggles today with academics (He a bit immature for his age) but a great player. Thinking about having him repeat 8th again next year in conjunction with this move. He is 10/2003 Birthday. I don't know much about the teams on that area. Can someone please point me in the right direction. Looking for a good program...also a no "crazy parents" team.

We get enough of that on Long Island.

Thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/23/16 01:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My Job may be moving me to PA (Blue Bell Area). I have an 8th grader that struggles today with academics (He a bit immature for his age) but a great player. Thinking about having him repeat 8th again next year in conjunction with this move. He is 10/2003 Birthday. I don't know much about the teams on that area. Can someone please point me in the right direction. Looking for a good program...also a no "crazy parents" team.

We get enough of that on Long Island.

Thanks.


What school district are you moving into? Are you planning on staying public or going private. There are top notch schools either way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/23/16 09:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...


I sure was "surprised"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/23/16 09:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...


I sure was "surprised"


Looks like Sons didn't have such a great day.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/23/16 10:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...


I sure was "surprised"


Looks like Sons didn't have such a great day.
Freedom 2022 is a very good team. Very very good at midfield and defense. And well coached.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/23/16 11:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...


I sure was "surprised"


Looks like Sons didn't have such a great day.
Really? They went 2-1
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/24/16 01:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...


I sure was "surprised"


Looks like Sons didn't have such a great day.
Really? They went 2-1


They claim they are the best around, so, going 2-1 Isn't that great
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/24/16 01:30 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...


I sure was "surprised"


Looks like Sons didn't have such a great day.
Really? They went 2-1


They claim they are the best around, so, going 2-1 Isn't that great
Yeah ok. Not one person from that organization that thought that. You must be a Hillary supporter.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/24/16 01:35 AM
They aren't in the same class as Freedom.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/24/16 01:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They aren't in the same class as Freedom.
agreed Freedom 2022 is really really good. Add a few attack and face off and they compete with anyone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/24/16 03:46 PM
Incorrect on the "not one person" comment! The RS 22 and 21 parents were told we were the best teams in PA and would compete with Freedom 22 and Mesa 21. 22s aren't even close and 21s are just ok, lost to Freedom 21 by 1 but was down by 3. Supposedly we returned their best attack man from the "great team" 2 years ago and his parents are already regretting it. Can't wait for NXT next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/24/16 03:52 PM
Rankings were 75% correct, except Freedom won the 21 division. So:
2021 Freedom
2022 Freedom
2023 BL
2024 BL



2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/24/16 05:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Incorrect on the "not one person" comment! The RS 22 and 21 parents were told we were the best teams in PA and would compete with Freedom 22 and Mesa 21. 22s aren't even close and 21s are just ok, lost to Freedom 21 by 1 but was down by 3. Supposedly we returned their best attack man from the "great team" 2 years ago and his parents are already regretting it. Can't wait for NXT next year.


anyone that knows "king son" knows he always thinks his teams are the best out there. Even though they lose all of the time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/24/16 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...


Looks like Sons didn't have such a great day.
Really? They went 2-1


They claim they are the best around, so, going 2-1 Isn't that great
Yeah ok. Not one person from that organization that thought that. You must be a Hillary supporter.


what does being a "Hillary supporter" have to do with anything? I don't understand your logic
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/02/16 04:49 PM
Keep hearing how great NXT 2020 is-why not at the NLF this weekend with the big boys??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/02/16 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep hearing how great NXT 2020 is-why not at the NLF this weekend with the big boys??

no one is talking about how great they are except them...
very typical of some of the daddies on that team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/02/16 09:04 PM
NXT 2020 is at Quaker this Sunday playing against the best teams. How about talking snack AFTER this weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/03/16 03:20 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep hearing how great NXT 2020 is-why not at the NLF this weekend with the big boys??
One no you haven't heard that because no-one from that team has made that claim. Two, Billy and his HHH brand wouldn't let them in. Three they don't have to go there will be just as many coaches at Quakerfest watching them play Sweetlax NY and Sweetlax FL. The team is the first year its been together but they do have talent. 5 who cares, worry about your own teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/03/16 02:10 PM
And also, NXT has the most committed 2020's in philly
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/03/16 02:55 PM
They blast it all over social media. They can't help it. Also, stop blaming everything on HHH-the tournaments your in are weak. No way will there be more coaches at quakerfest than NLF tourney at Boys Latin. That tourney is stacked.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/03/16 05:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They blast it all over social media. They can't help it. Also, stop blaming everything on HHH-the tournaments your in are weak. No way will there be more coaches at quakerfest than NLF tourney at Boys Latin. That tourney is stacked.


One major drawback of playing for NXT is that their teams are locked into playing in their own tournaments. So those teams won't play at the quality tournaments. For example, when the Crabfest is going on, the NXT teams will be playing in their MVP rising events (I think that is the one that runs the same weekend). They will never be part of the NLF, and maybe they don't care about that, but you have to admit the competition there is decent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/03/16 05:54 PM
Many of them but not all. There were a bunch of big 10/acc/ivy coaches at MVP Rising. I would agree they should do 2 of their own in summer and 2-3 outside. Doesn't seem like they have had a hard time getting kids recruited though. Their Fall event is the top event in the country. I guarantee coaches are lined up to watch them play Sweetlax Saturday and Sunday
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/03/16 08:24 PM
Discussing wins and losses or the "number of coaches present" to see a young 9th grader play reinforces to me how flawed the process has become.
I guess the current practice is to "display" the boy in front of as many suitors as you can to see if one bites. And then we wonder why so many early rectruits are now decommitting and changing later in high school.
If the kid is good he will be found. Research the schools that will be a right fit for him, make those coaches aware of the interest, and if he is worthy, they will see him no matter what team or tourney he plays in.
NXT, HHH, Mesa, Dukes, Freedom, etc you name it....they are all placing kids in NCAA schools
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/03/16 11:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They blast it all over social media. They can't help it. Also, stop blaming everything on HHH-the tournaments your in are weak. No way will there be more coaches at quakerfest than NLF tourney at Boys Latin. That tourney is stacked.
Of course there will be coaches at the NLF event. They will be at both. Most staffs go to separate events. Now if you remember last Summer while the NLF event was going on up on Long Island, the Head Coaches of the top schools were down on the sidelines at the Summer Philly Invite. The 2020 class is very strong in talent, every D1 college will have coaches at both events.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/07/16 12:30 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And also, NXT has the most committed 2020's in philly

This is incorrect, Freedom and NXT have the same amount AND NXT's 2020 commits were all Rising Sons kids so NXT had no part of their commitments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/07/16 12:46 AM
Anyone watch the NXT Harvest games? Dukes Young Guns seems like a mess! Coaches screaming while having a mouthful of Skoal and spitting on the sidelines! Only made me realize I made the right call not sending my son there. They lost to Freedom and got killed by 91, their coaches were screaming at every referee and then sent 6 A players to play in the B division. Does Duke Young Guns have any affiliation to the high school Dukes or is it like the Dukes Lite teams that folded?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/07/16 01:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And also, NXT has the most committed 2020's in philly

This is incorrect, Freedom and NXT have the same amount AND NXT's 2020 commits were all Rising Sons kids so NXT had no part of their commitments.
Freedom has 2, NXT 3
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/07/16 03:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And also, NXT has the most committed 2020's in philly

This is incorrect, Freedom and NXT have the same amount AND NXT's 2020 commits were all Rising Sons kids so NXT had no part of their commitments.
Freedom has 2, NXT 3

I'm pretty sure Freedom has 3 too. Doesn't really matter but it is kinda crazy that Freedom and NXT have multiple commits at 2020 but Dukes, Mesa, HHH don't have 1. The balance of power is swinging away.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/07/16 12:25 PM
The Dukes teams definitely had individual talent. Top notch clubs that play together year round usually beat them. Interesting concept, don't know how I feel about it. Playing with an all start team in a regular tournament. I know that Madlax has a National team and 91 has moved in that direction as well with their different franchises. Seems a bit unfair to enter in a regular tournament but people not making a big deal I think because they aren't dominating.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/07/16 08:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Dukes teams definitely had individual talent. Top notch clubs that play together year round usually beat them. Interesting concept, don't know how I feel about it. Playing with an all start team in a regular tournament. I know that Madlax has a National team and 91 has moved in that direction as well with their different franchises. Seems a bit unfair to enter in a regular tournament but people not making a big deal I think because they aren't dominating.


There is not a national team at the 8th grade level. Not sure about seventh grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/08/16 04:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Dukes teams definitely had individual talent. Top notch clubs that play together year round usually beat them. Interesting concept, don't know how I feel about it. Playing with an all start team in a regular tournament. I know that Madlax has a National team and 91 has moved in that direction as well with their different franchises. Seems a bit unfair to enter in a regular tournament but people not making a big deal I think because they aren't dominating.
Dukes is a pyramid scheme. Really?? Let me give you another 300.00 and then nickle and dime for camps and then nickle and dime to play in tournaments... And oh buy the way your kid may never play....They are marketing this to parents that are already paying 2k a year to play on their existing club..Give me a break...money grab
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/08/16 10:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous] Dukes is a pyramid scheme. Really?? Let me give you another 300.00 and then nickle and dime for camps and then nickle and dime to play in tournaments... And oh buy the way your kid may never play....They are marketing this to parents that are already paying 2k a year to play on their existing club..Give me a break...money grab


More of a money grab than clubs charging $2500 before showcase events? Are any of these programs benevolent?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/10/16 09:48 PM
What's up with B'more not posting the scores on tourney machine and just the game schedules. Some of your blind ask not to post the scores so people can't call out other teams for being a money grab and paying top dollar to play on a mediocre team? Gimme a break what's next every gets a turn to shoot on goal until every player gets a goal. My son plays in a baseball league like that. Three strikes? Of course not you get to swing until Johnie gets a hit. Even if it is a playday....Man Up ....bunch of pansies
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/11/16 01:10 AM
Um let's not keep score ...you guys don't mind do you...just keep it a friendly ...and if we do keep score do you mind not posting it because people in Philly are saying we aren't a good club because we get smoked by the good teams in LI and ....and if you don't publish score I can still look like we are a premier team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/11/16 01:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's up with B'more not posting the scores on tourney machine and just the game schedules. Some of your blind ask not to post the scores so people can't call out other teams for being a money grab and paying top dollar to play on a mediocre team? Gimme a break what's next every gets a turn to shoot on goal until every player gets a goal. My son plays in a baseball league like that. Three strikes? Of course not you get to swing until Johnie gets a hit. Even if it is a playday....Man Up ....bunch of pansies


Total BS. Just like the NCAA fall ball games not keeping score.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/11/16 03:51 PM
I would agree with the first guy. Don't play that card. Look at NXT and their Harvest Tournament. That was a playday and all the scores are listed. Look at all of the Long Island Tournaments they keep score. Hogan's Lax Fall Touranment that was also a playday without championship posted all the scores. There is nothing wrong with losing just learn from it and get better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/11/16 04:19 PM
Tournaments that post scores are probably republicans..,and the tournaments that don't post scores are liberal democrats
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/11/16 04:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would agree with the first guy. Don't play that card. Look at NXT and their Harvest Tournament. That was a playday and all the scores are listed. Look at all of the Long Island Tournaments they keep score. Hogan's Lax Fall Touranment that was also a playday without championship posted all the scores. There is nothing wrong with losing just learn from it and get better.


I get the interest in scores. I check them to. But you guys are reading much more into this. Assuming you are referring to the tournaments at McDonogh the past 2 Sundays - scores were kept. At least in the 10/30 play day they had scorers table with visible scores. Wasn't there last sunday but I'm sure it was the same. It was last year. Not posting the scores was probably the decision of the tourney organizer not believing it is important that he update the world on youth lacrosse scores. None of the coaches would have cared if he did.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/11/16 06:18 PM
I look at those scores all the time before, during, and after the tourney. It is odd to not use such an easy web based tool that was so good that Sports Illustrated bought them. The beauty of the scores is that it allows me to assess who we are playing and get a sense of are they good, are they not good, how do they stack up with other teams, how did they fare against common opponents. I then use that information to try to optimize playing time and strategically rest players, which over a three-four game day really can be critical. I use it to try and plan when I can get bench players quality minutes. Very good tool to help in tourament planning.

Don't know what could be the reason but I do agree that it is odd to not post them. I see parents and coaches all day long looking at the scores and schedules.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/11/16 07:06 PM
[quote=Anonymous]That is the point nobody can tell what the talent level of HHH is anymore because they go out of their way to not play the local teams. We can only beat the teams that go to the tournament however we also play the national teams as well.

But lets take a look at your NLF Summer Series from last year.

HHH Results
2024 Didn't even field a team

2023 Loss to 91 Bandits 18-1
Loss to 91 Warriors (there B Team) 12-5
Loss to Laxachusetts Green (there B Team) 9-8
Finally beat Team Superstar 14-4 but they are neither super nor stars

2022 Beat Leading Edge Elite 6-4 that team isn't good and you know it
Loss to LIE 10-5
Tie Express 8-8 Bad Long Island Team
Loss to 91 Smash 9-2
Loss to Superstar 9-2

2021 Loss to Eclipse 8-7 You think that Eclipse is good?
Finally spank someone Long Island Outlaws 9-1 U think they are good?
Loss to Laxachusetts A Team 12-2
Beat them in Losers Bracket 7-6 that is actually impressive good going

2020 Seams to be a good team went 3-1

2019 You came in last and didn't win a single game won't post the scores.

Again, once great but the original post was $$$ money grab...change the club name to Little 4 and one "H"

I think wear there is smoke there is fire. I beieve this is the post that is being brought up because they used tourney machine scores to make their point. Since Triple H was at this tournament at mcdonugh that also posting no scores, maybet ther is somethig there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/12/16 12:05 PM
Why do people keep calling out "national" teams? They are essentially pointless and are 1 more way for a club to make money. They play in the same tournaments as all the other teams, are coached by the same people, and get the same exposure so why bother?? Dukes has 1 "national" team and they play at the 22 level. Their 8th grade team is not a national team, they are Dukes Young Guns and are not very strong.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/12/16 04:48 PM
They also have a Dukes National 2023 Team we played them at NXT Harvest and beat them 8-7 and I believe Brotherly Love beat them 5-0.
I agree with you not sure what the point is playing for a National Team unless you play other all star teams like Team Texas or Team California for example. If your National team can't beat a good local team might need to rethink the model. Give me a break they didn't score a goal against Brotherly Love, yeah they are an excellent team but not a single goal? This isn't soccer. Take the National out of the name and call it Dukes Supplemental. Its solely for the money.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/12/16 07:17 PM
Any results from Todays Big4 event at The Hill?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 12:24 AM
But there is no "Team Texas" or "Team California", national teams make zero sense.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 02:04 AM
There will always be people willing to pay to play so they can say that Johnny is playing for a National Team...you know the type ...we all have acquaintances like that
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]That is the point nobody can tell what the talent level of HHH is anymore because they go out of their way to not play the local teams. We can only beat the teams that go to the tournament however we also play the national teams as well.

But lets take a look at your NLF Summer Series from last year.

HHH Results
2024 Didn't even field a team

2023 Loss to 91 Bandits 18-1
Loss to 91 Warriors (there B Team) 12-5
Loss to Laxachusetts Green (there B Team) 9-8
Finally beat Team Superstar 14-4 but they are neither super nor stars

2022 Beat Leading Edge Elite 6-4 that team isn't good and you know it
Loss to LIE 10-5
Tie Express 8-8 Bad Long Island Team
Loss to 91 Smash 9-2
Loss to Superstar 9-2

2021 Loss to Eclipse 8-7 You think that Eclipse is good?
Finally spank someone Long Island Outlaws 9-1 U think they are good?
Loss to Laxachusetts A Team 12-2
Beat them in Losers Bracket 7-6 that is actually impressive good going

2020 Seams to be a good team went 3-1

2019 You came in last and didn't win a single game won't post the scores.

Again, once great but the original post was $$$ money grab...change the club name to Little 4 and one "H"

I think wear there is smoke there is fire. I beieve this is the post that is being brought up because they used tourney machine scores to make their point. Since Triple H was at this tournament at mcdonugh that also posting no scores, maybet ther is somethig there.
HHH 2021s went 3-0 at McDonugh, fyi. Playing Laxachuttets, 91, Crabs, Superstar, Legacy, etc on a regular basis is a better experience for my kid. I'm sure some Philly teams could beat HHH. Cool. Nobody cares but you and you other dads that need validation that little Johnny's team can beat the other teams in the area. HHH has made my kid better and will continue to do so. I hope your kid's team goes 5-0 at Meltdown, Patriot Games, NXT Cup, and (insert local tourney here). HHH plays on LI so they can play (and most times get beat by) the better teams in the country. I hope you enjoy posting those pics on Facebook of your kid's team winning some tourney. That's whats important: winning 7th grade tourneys and bragging about it. Your kid's team is better than HHH. Good for you and your kid. We strive to be at your level: combing the internet for past tourney scores from 6th grade summer lax tourneys.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 03:38 PM
All fired up aren't ya. So 2021s are good so good fo ya. 2022, 2023, 2024 and the future...not so much
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 03:45 PM
Just because you are playin on Long Island don't mean much, there are like three elite clubs there and that is it. All the Long Island teams are coming here to play in Philly because NXT does a great job and geographically Philly is halfway between the best Maryland teams and LI. There is not a tournament with a better youth field than NXT Cup in June until you play that tournament with your teams you are hiding.

Why don't you put the topic to rest and actually play NXT Cup this year check out the field from last year and tell me ONE tournament that has a stronger youth field than NXT Cup and I will shut up.

C'mon now if you aren't playing the strongest tournament in the summer schedule and it is in your back yard you can't play the we go up to Long Island because the lacrosse is better...all the teams Long Island Teams are in Philly that weekend including your NLF teams that you are partnered with. If every single NLF Team is in Philly playing the NXT Cup why aren't you?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 04:03 PM
Gee you sound like one of the sales people for NXT. Nobody better at making money than they are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All fired up aren't ya. So 2021s are good so good fo ya. 2022, 2023, 2024 and the future...not so much


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because you are playin on Long Island don't mean much, there are like three elite clubs there and that is it. All the Long Island teams are coming here to play in Philly because NXT does a great job and geographically Philly is halfway between the best Maryland teams and LI. There is not a tournament with a better youth field than NXT Cup in June until you play that tournament with your teams you are hiding.

Why don't you put the topic to rest and actually play NXT Cup this year check out the field from last year and tell me ONE tournament that has a stronger youth field than NXT Cup and I will shut up.

C'mon now if you aren't playing the strongest tournament in the summer schedule and it is in your back yard you can't play the we go up to Long Island because the lacrosse is better...all the teams Long Island Teams are in Philly that weekend including your NLF teams that you are partnered with. If every single NLF Team is in Philly playing the NXT Cup why aren't you?


It wail ruin the illusion, like Dukes that they are still an elite program. You can't tell me those kids are learning anything going up to LI and getting beat by 15 goals a game to the A teams. Here is thought stay home save the travel expenses and have your kids practice more.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 04:12 PM
I think this guy is making a decent point here despite all the apparent animosity. I know two families that left Triple H who had some issues but the main one, they just weren't happy with the time and expense associated going up to Long Island multiple times in the same month.

Rather simple question, "why does Triple H not play in Philly based tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 04:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think this guy is making a decent point here despite all the apparent animosity. I know two families that left Triple H who had some issues but the main one, they just weren't happy with the time and expense associated going up to Long Island multiple times in the same month.

Rather simple question, "why does Triple H not play in Philly based tournaments.


If you look at it from the outside it is pretty smart why they don't have there 22/23/24 teams play local. How could they justify charging what they do and not getting any results. If you are a parent and see your son's team losing to LI team's maybe you can justify it, but if Mesa/Sons/BL/Freedom are smoking your teams that is a different story. I realize at young ages it is not about W's and L's, but to not be competitive is the last thing you want.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 06:43 PM
I just googled Tourney Machine NXT Cup 2016 to see what all the fuss was about. That is the best youth tourney field I have seen in regards to number of teams, Long Island empties out and descends on Philly that weekend and Maryland teams also come out in droves. On top of that seeing teams from Seattle, California, Texas, New England and Florida.

Even the B Team Brackets are stacked.

Much as I hate to say it I have to agree.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think this guy is making a decent point here despite all the apparent animosity. I know two families that left Triple H who had some issues but the main one, they just weren't happy with the time and expense associated going up to Long Island multiple times in the same month.

Rather simple question, "why does Triple H not play in Philly based tournaments.
Afraid they will lose their kids to other programs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 07:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just googled Tourney Machine NXT Cup 2016 to see what all the fuss was about. That is the best youth tourney field I have seen in regards to number of teams, Long Island empties out and descends on Philly that weekend and Maryland teams also come out in droves. On top of that seeing teams from Seattle, California, Texas, New England and Florida.

Even the B Team Brackets are stacked.

Much as I hate to say it I have to agree.


OK NXT daddy or do you work for them?! That is the question
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 08:13 PM
Hey let's stop the bashing...or at least for a couple of days call a truce.

Just got an email from my son's club team that they are forming a team to compete in the World Series of Youth Lacrosse in Denver. The tourament dropped their eligibility for the first time to align with US Lacrosse September 1st. This is really a U13 tournament or in the club team world a mix of 2022/2023.

Can a team from Philly compete? Thoughts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 09:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey let's stop the bashing...or at least for a couple of days call a truce.

Just got an email from my son's club team that they are forming a team to compete in the World Series of Youth Lacrosse in Denver. The tourament dropped their eligibility for the first time to align with US Lacrosse September 1st. This is really a U13 tournament or in the club team world a mix of 2022/2023.

Can a team from Philly compete? Thoughts?


I team from Philly could totally compete. I highly recommend doing it, my son played in the tournament and it was an awesome experience!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 10:08 PM
What club is it?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/14/16 10:31 PM
My son plays for Brotherly Love they are taking eligible kids and combining their 2022 and 2023 teams. I think our 2023 team is top 3 in the country this year and our 2022 team has 4 of the best players from Freedom 2022 that play both clubs. Goalie will likely be a kid
From Lehigh that is excellent but they are having open tryouts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/15/16 02:30 PM
If the World Series truly dropped to US Lacrosse age requirements then absolutely, a Philly team can not only compete but they can win. Philadelphia youth lacrosse does not have nearly the amount of re-classed kids that the hotbeds have so there's a natural advantage there in that probably 85% of the kids on the Philly teams are going to be age appropriate and have played together for years as opposed to a thrown together team. Keep one thing in mind though, even though most Philly teams are age appropriate many of them have 2 or 3 kids with July and August birthdays so they will not be able to go.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/15/16 06:02 PM
Someone from Philly should go to promote the sport, the city, and represent the youth club scene. Maybe not the hotbed as Baltimore and LI; however, the list of illustrious Philadelphia players that played the game at an elite level is pretty damn impressive.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/15/16 08:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son plays for Brotherly Love they are taking eligible kids and combining their 2022 and 2023 teams. I think our 2023 team is top 3 in the country this year and our 2022 team has 4 of the best players from Freedom 2022 that play both clubs. Goalie will likely be a kid
From Lehigh that is excellent but they are having open tryouts

Where is the information on these tryouts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/15/16 08:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someone from Philly should go to promote the sport, the city, and represent the youth club scene. Maybe not the hotbed as Baltimore and LI; however, the list of illustrious Philadelphia players that played the game at an elite level is pretty damn impressive.

Someone should hold an open tryout for a Team Philadelphia
Maybe get a corporate sponsor to help defer some of the cost and attract the best kids
Perhaps a local college coach could handle the coaching and not a daddy
These are all things that won't happen, btw
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/15/16 09:37 PM
Agreed not going to happen. Check out the WYSL website they are discouraging an all start team. You have to play a season with the team that you go with.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/15/16 09:44 PM
The tryouts are December 4th they don't say on the email if it is open to players outside of the club. It looks to me they are having tryouts but it is going to be the best players from Freedom 2022 that also play BL 2022 and the oldest/best players from Brotherly Love 2023. Essentially a combination team of Freedom 2022 and Brotherly Love 2023. That will be a [lacrosse] of a team and not sure they even need to go outside of the club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/17/16 06:48 AM
Wsyl wants it both ways. They want a real team which has played together all season which are all grade based but also want a hard cutoff at 9/1.

The real teams have a couple kids older than 9/1.

The scumbag teams will cut the kids older than 9/1 and go play the B teams at WYSL without them and the real teams will play all tournament with all their kids as they have all season and decide the real championship at young guns or Millon championship.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/17/16 12:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wsyl wants it both ways. They want a real team which has played together all season which are all grade based but also want a hard cutoff at 9/1.

The real teams have a couple kids older than 9/1.

The scumbag teams will cut the kids older than 9/1 and go play the B teams at WYSL without them and the real teams will play all tournament with all their kids as they have all season and decide the real championship at young guns or Millon championship.

I disagree about the grade based piece. It seems to be well marketed as a u13 event.
I like that.
Puts all those hold backs in their proper place, age wise.
The really good teams will have players that don't qualify but should have a bench of B players or 23s to fill the void.
Give me age based any day. Levels the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/17/16 01:42 PM
My son plays for an excellent grade based team; however, I 100% agree that Youth Lacrosse should be age based like soccer. WSYL got it right, albeit three years into the initiative. If you watch the games the last two years the size disparity was apparent and unfair resulting in games that really weren't enjoyable to watch and I am sure that ESPN doesn't want that either.

Little League WS of baseball which is what WSYL is obviously emulating is age based and NOT grade based can you imagine the cheating that would occur in baseball if it were grade based? What would the teams look like coming from Asia and South America? It isn't inconceivable they would hold kids back 3-4 years if it were GRADE based. Hold your kid back once, twice, three times....

You are missing the boat the objective is NOT to see who the best club team is in America and it makes no mention of it on their site, but rather who is the best U13 team and if club teams restructure their programs to reconcile to WSYL that isn't bad and they certainly aren't scumbags, that's a bit dramatic.

The only people that want grade based have an agenda that links back to their club team or because they want to stack the deck in their favor.
It is better for our sport to have it based on age and any argument to the contrary is self serving.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/17/16 01:50 PM
Team 91 NY is sending a team where they mixed their age eligible boys and combined from several different teams. Suffice to say they are a REAL team and actually will be in reverse of what you are saying. They will be sending their B TEAM to Young Gunz.

As much as you may try, comparing another Bel Air Maryland Tournmanet to Playing in the Broncos Mile High Stadium on ESPN before a national tv audience just makes you sound silly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/17/16 02:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wsyl wants it both ways. They want a real team which has played together all season which are all grade based but also want a hard cutoff at 9/1.

The real teams have a couple kids older than 9/1.

The scumbag teams will cut the kids older than 9/1 and go play the B teams at WYSL without them and the real teams will play all tournament with all their kids as they have all season and decide the real championship at young guns or Millon championship.
Sounds like little Johnny isn't eligible because you held him back. Don't $*&t on the event as a result. It's truly great to see the kids on ESPN that are age eligible.
I applaud WSYL for this change and hope more tourneys go to this.
Afraid they won't, however.
Far too much focus on recruiting. Recruiting of rising 8th graders. Nothing broken there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/17/16 03:07 PM
Very much agree with age based. The thing nobody mentions is the emotional and pscyhological toll on these young kids in high school and college when the reality hits them squarely in the face that they really aren't as elite or good as they were led to believe their whole life by their parents pushing them.

I see it now in young boys that have dominated their whole young life from 1st grade to middle school becuase they were always older. Or the kid that was a stud high school/club player in and then can't get off the bench at Penn State. There are several local boys form Philly that went to Penn State and I haven't heard their names since they signed their letters of intent.

Until recently it looked to me like alot of the Haverford School boys didn't have the same success in college that they did in high school. While HS boys teams are always tops in the country, what is the emotional and psychological toll when they sit on the bench for their whole college career. Do they quit the team, do the drop out of college, do they leave the sport, there really is no data that I am aware of; howver, there has to be collateral damage from always being the best, fastest, biggest and then one day waking up and facing the reality that the sport you once thought you were "the man" you really aren't.

It needs to be age based as I am guessing it is the parents holding back these kids and not the kids going to their parents and saying "hey dad can I repeat 9th grade so I can kick butt on the lacrosse field, I am cool with my friends thinking I must be really dumb to have to repeat a grade...."
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/17/16 03:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wsyl wants it both ways. They want a real team which has played together all season which are all grade based but also want a hard cutoff at 9/1.

The real teams have a couple kids older than 9/1.

The scumbag teams will cut the kids older than 9/1 and go play the B teams at WYSL without them and the real teams will play all tournament with all their kids as they have all season and decide the real championship at young guns or Millon championship.
Sounds like little Johnny isn't eligible because you held him back. Don't $*&t on the event as a result. It's truly great to see the kids on ESPN that are age eligible.
I applaud WSYL for this change and hope more tourneys go to this.
Afraid they won't, however.
Far too much focus on recruiting. Recruiting of rising 8th graders. Nothing broken there.


It is comical seeing rising 8th graders committing that probably won't see any playing time at the HS level until there jnr/snr years...The brain trust at the NCAA's needs to step in and do something.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/17/16 03:13 PM
Let's face it US Lacrosse needs to grow some balls and mandate the change by having a policy that they will NOT Sanction any club, tournament, or individual that plays in a grade based event. Yea it will [lacrosse] off the elite clubs out there but the majority of these events and teams get their liability insurance through US Lacrosse and if all of a sudden they have to shop around for their insurance clubs and tournaments will start changing. Until they do all the club teams will continue giving "the bird" to their policy they articulated to the point that it is embarassing to US Lacrosse. Hey US Lacrosse... the whole club world is mooning ya...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/17/16 03:34 PM
"Scumbag Teams"....Yo dude that is harsh, I know we spend the majority of the day demeaning each other but come on, I am going to have to you out for a Missanelli Violation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/17/16 04:42 PM
My son is the youngest in his class.
Continues to play and compete at a high level. He's a committed D1 player at a local HS.
What was frustrating for him was the 7th/8th grade years.
All kids grow and mature at a different pace but multiple 6' 7th graders on a team? Come on. I'm not gonna be a whiner and say "that's not fair" but I will be a parent and say "that's not safe" and "that's not sporting"
He eventually caught up and surpassed the "big boys" out there and he ultimately was a better player for it. I do not condone it, however. A few concussions and some other injuries from getting trucked doesn't make you "stronger"
The one time giants now ride the bench on their HS teams. You'll see it, if they don't develop the stick skills. Ask many HS coaches: they convert former middies and attackmen into poles once the size is there.
We all know that middle school hero. My kid wasn't one of them.
The sport needs to go to age based like virtually every single non-HS sport out there. Wake up. The boys playing men thing is a liability.
Go to birth year or along grade based guidelines: 9/1
Good luck to all you new to the lax world. I think things have unfortunately gotten worse.
Above all, enjoy the ride and ensure your kids are having fun
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/17/16 05:42 PM
Lacrosse is an anolamy and not sure why. I think it has always been a niche support and a haven for preppie afffluent communities. One of the few collegiate sports that Ivy League Schools continue to rank at the highest level in the NCAA. That controlling faction is the only influencer that I can come up with that is manipulating the sport to its detriment.

The prep schools that litter the high school rankings every year, locally, Malvern, Haverford, and Episcopal are the single greatest beneficiaries of the re-classifcation tactic. Our neighbor is an outstanding pole and he was recruited to play for Haverford School. The first thing they made him do was repeat 9th grade.

If these bastions in the sport not only condone but encourage reclassification the reality is that outside of the high school ranks the sport will suffer even more as the playing field isn't level. In fairness the elite schools mostly play each other and the MIAA in Maryland is probably the greatest offender when it comes to reclassification and they often play each other and the Haverfords, Episopoal, and etc. are all on their schedules. The issue is when these schools then play Avon Grove, Springfield, Garnet Valley. It does beg the question if these elite private schools would even beat the public schools considering the majority of their rosters are filled with kids in "13th" grade.

That is the real reason, these private schools continue to be elite by gaming the system and these are the same individuals that fill the ranks of US Lacrosse.

Only way to lend clarity to a rather inane system. The world is round and NOT flat and anyone that believes grade over age based should be the standard sounds just about as silly as those that once believed the world is flat.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/17/16 06:50 PM
Problem is you are wrong. Very few tourneys use US lacrosse for insurance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/17/16 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Problem is you are wrong. Very few tourneys use US lacrosse for insurance.

Regardless, we are the CUSTOMER of our "elite" programs and US Lacrosse.
They need to listen to their CUSTOMERS.
I have yet to have a face to face conversation with a parent who wouldn't support an age based model. Even parents of the reclassed or holdbacks.
Club soccer has been around far longer and is far more evolved than US Lacrosse will ever be. Same with hockey, field hockey, AAU basketball, Pop Warner Football, Little League, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/17/16 09:32 PM
I know two local tourneys that do use them for insurance but you remain obtuse my befuddled friend, the point has hurtled past you like Haley's comet and your dim perspective is being diverted.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/18/16 03:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lacrosse is an anolamy and not sure why. I think it has always been a niche support and a haven for preppie afffluent communities. One of the few collegiate sports that Ivy League Schools continue to rank at the highest level in the NCAA. That controlling faction is the only influencer that I can come up with that is manipulating the sport to its detriment.

The prep schools that litter the high school rankings every year, locally, Malvern, Haverford, and Episcopal are the single greatest beneficiaries of the re-classifcation tactic. Our neighbor is an outstanding pole and he was recruited to play for Haverford School. The first thing they made him do was repeat 9th grade.

If these bastions in the sport not only condone but encourage reclassification the reality is that outside of the high school ranks the sport will suffer even more as the playing field isn't level. In fairness the elite schools mostly play each other and the MIAA in Maryland is probably the greatest offender when it comes to reclassification and they often play each other and the Haverfords, Episopoal, and etc. are all on their schedules. The issue is when these schools then play Avon Grove, Springfield, Garnet Valley. It does beg the question if these elite private schools would even beat the public schools considering the majority of their rosters are filled with kids in "13th" grade.

That is the real reason, these private schools continue to be elite by gaming the system and these are the same individuals that fill the ranks of US Lacrosse.

Only way to lend clarity to a rather inane system. The world is round and NOT flat and anyone that believes grade over age based should be the standard sounds just about as silly as those that once believed the world is flat. T

There are inter ac schools with very little to no reclassed kids. MP and Springside Chestnut Hill for starters.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/18/16 01:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know two local tourneys that do use them for insurance but you remain obtuse my befuddled friend, the point has hurtled past you like Haley's comet and your dim perspective is being diverted.

Help me understand the point again, oh wise one.
Make it simple enough for us dolts to comprehend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/18/16 01:28 PM
Don't doubt that some schools in the Inter Ac place a premium on academics while others focus on athletic excellence. But it is analogous to an "arms race"' one school does it then other schools follow their lead to remain competitive. It is Darwinian and inevitable.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/18/16 01:46 PM
No need to flagellate yourself my self anointed dolt.
The point that continues to elude you is that none of these established clubs will jettison their business model that has allowed them to dominate the club lacrosse landscape and generate profitable business modles will change their grade based structure in favor of aged based tiers unless leverage is appled that undermines their profitable. US Lacrosse needs to apply that leverage.

You see, simple, concise, and a perspective, nothing more nothing less. My cretinous friend I hope your world becomes enlightened.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/18/16 03:05 PM
Enlightened, I am
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/28/16 02:33 PM
What spring leagues are teams going to play in? NXT or the new spring league at Maple Zone?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/28/16 04:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lacrosse is an anolamy and not sure why. I think it has always been a niche support and a haven for preppie afffluent communities. One of the few collegiate sports that Ivy League Schools continue to rank at the highest level in the NCAA. That controlling faction is the only influencer that I can come up with that is manipulating the sport to its detriment.

The prep schools that litter the high school rankings every year, locally, Malvern, Haverford, and Episcopal are the single greatest beneficiaries of the re-classifcation tactic. Our neighbor is an outstanding pole and he was recruited to play for Haverford School. The first thing they made him do was repeat 9th grade.

If these bastions in the sport not only condone but encourage reclassification the reality is that outside of the high school ranks the sport will suffer even more as the playing field isn't level. In fairness the elite schools mostly play each other and the MIAA in Maryland is probably the greatest offender when it comes to reclassification and they often play each other and the Haverfords, Episopoal, and etc. are all on their schedules. The issue is when these schools then play Avon Grove, Springfield, Garnet Valley. It does beg the question if these elite private schools would even beat the public schools considering the majority of their rosters are filled with kids in "13th" grade.

That is the real reason, these private schools continue to be elite by gaming the system and these are the same individuals that fill the ranks of US Lacrosse.

Only way to lend clarity to a rather inane system. The world is round and NOT flat and anyone that believes grade over age based should be the standard sounds just about as silly as those that once believed the world is flat. T

There are inter ac schools with very little to no reclassed kids. MP and Springside Chestnut Hill for starters.


So Malvern has zero re classed kids, are you 100% sure about that?...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/28/16 07:18 PM
I find that hard to believe. While not a fan of reclassification to gain advantage on a lacrosse field I know families that have reclassified their kid when they move them into private prep schools for high school. Whether for social, maturity, academics or whatever these are decisions made in the best interest of the child. If a family decides to reclass for lacrosse or the institutation insists upon the regrading I have to believe that Malvern as one of the elite lacrosse high schools in the country is doing this simply because their brethren are doing it. Can a school really compete at the highest level without doing this. My guess is not. Was Kyle Anderson that is going to Harvard reclassed or was he just always great?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/28/16 10:45 PM
Reclassification is the scourge of youth lacrosse. How many 16 year old 8th graders do we need on the lacrosse field. The MIAA and their feeder clubs (Crabs, FCA, Looneys Bar & Grill) are ruining the game for everyone else. Just make the sport age based and all this nonsense will stop. MAKE. IT. STOP. MAKE. IT. STOP.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 11/29/16 05:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lacrosse is an anolamy and not sure why. I think it has always been a niche support and a haven for preppie afffluent communities. One of the few collegiate sports that Ivy League Schools continue to rank at the highest level in the NCAA. That controlling faction is the only influencer that I can come up with that is manipulating the sport to its detriment.

The prep schools that litter the high school rankings every year, locally, Malvern, Haverford, and Episcopal are the single greatest beneficiaries of the re-classifcation tactic. Our neighbor is an outstanding pole and he was recruited to play for Haverford School. The first thing they made him do was repeat 9th grade.

If these bastions in the sport not only condone but encourage reclassification the reality is that outside of the high school ranks the sport will suffer even more as the playing field isn't level. In fairness the elite schools mostly play each other and the MIAA in Maryland is probably the greatest offender when it comes to reclassification and they often play each other and the Haverfords, Episopoal, and etc. are all on their schedules. The issue is when these schools then play Avon Grove, Springfield, Garnet Valley. It does beg the question if these elite private schools would even beat the public schools considering the majority of their rosters are filled with kids in "13th" grade.

That is the real reason, these private schools continue to be elite by gaming the system and these are the same individuals that fill the ranks of US Lacrosse.

Only way to lend clarity to a rather inane system. The world is round and NOT flat and anyone that believes grade over age based should be the standard sounds just about as silly as those that once believed the world is flat. T

There are inter ac schools with very little to no reclassed kids. MP and Springside Chestnut Hill for starters.


So Malvern has zero re classed kids, are you 100% sure about that?...
Yes, none
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 12/08/16 05:10 PM
Shootout for Soldiers is coming to Philly next summer. Great event for a great cause.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 12/08/16 08:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lacrosse is an anolamy and not sure why. I think it has always been a niche support and a haven for preppie afffluent communities. One of the few collegiate sports that Ivy League Schools continue to rank at the highest level in the NCAA. That controlling faction is the only influencer that I can come up with that is manipulating the sport to its detriment.

The prep schools that litter the high school rankings every year, locally, Malvern, Haverford, and Episcopal are the single greatest beneficiaries of the re-classifcation tactic. Our neighbor is an outstanding pole and he was recruited to play for Haverford School. The first thing they made him do was repeat 9th grade.

If these bastions in the sport not only condone but encourage reclassification the reality is that outside of the high school ranks the sport will suffer even more as the playing field isn't level. In fairness the elite schools mostly play each other and the MIAA in Maryland is probably the greatest offender when it comes to reclassification and they often play each other and the Haverfords, Episopoal, and etc. are all on their schedules. The issue is when these schools then play Avon Grove, Springfield, Garnet Valley. It does beg the question if these elite private schools would even beat the public schools considering the majority of their rosters are filled with kids in "13th" grade.

That is the real reason, these private schools continue to be elite by gaming the system and these are the same individuals that fill the ranks of US Lacrosse.

Only way to lend clarity to a rather inane system. The world is round and NOT flat and anyone that believes grade over age based should be the standard sounds just about as silly as those that once believed the world is flat. T

There are inter ac schools with very little to no reclassed kids. MP and Springside Chestnut Hill for starters.


So Malvern has zero re classed kids, are you 100% sure about that?...
Yes, none

that is not true, I guess it depends on how you define reclassed. Personally, if a kid starts K and they are already 6, then they have been reclassed. Did their parents do it early, yes, but are they in the grade below where they should be, yes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 12/08/16 11:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lacrosse is an anolamy and not sure why. I think it has always been a niche support and a haven for preppie afffluent communities. One of the few collegiate sports that Ivy League Schools continue to rank at the highest level in the NCAA. That controlling faction is the only influencer that I can come up with that is manipulating the sport to its detriment.

The prep schools that litter the high school rankings every year, locally, Malvern, Haverford, and Episcopal are the single greatest beneficiaries of the re-classifcation tactic. Our neighbor is an outstanding pole and he was recruited to play for Haverford School. The first thing they made him do was repeat 9th grade.

If these bastions in the sport not only condone but encourage reclassification the reality is that outside of the high school ranks the sport will suffer even more as the playing field isn't level. In fairness the elite schools mostly play each other and the MIAA in Maryland is probably the greatest offender when it comes to reclassification and they often play each other and the Haverfords, Episopoal, and etc. are all on their schedules. The issue is when these schools then play Avon Grove, Springfield, Garnet Valley. It does beg the question if these elite private schools would even beat the public schools considering the majority of their rosters are filled with kids in "13th" grade.

That is the real reason, these private schools continue to be elite by gaming the system and these are the same individuals that fill the ranks of US Lacrosse.

Only way to lend clarity to a rather inane system. The world is round and NOT flat and anyone that believes grade over age based should be the standard sounds just about as silly as those that once believed the world is flat. T

There are inter ac schools with very little to no reclassed kids. MP and Springside Chestnut Hill for starters.


So Malvern has zero re classed kids, are you 100% sure about that?...
Yes, none

that is not true, I guess it depends on how you define reclassed. Personally, if a kid starts K and they are already 6, then they have been reclassed. Did their parents do it early, yes, but are they in the grade below where they should be, yes.
No reclassed means you repeated a grade. They don't have any.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 12/10/16 03:13 AM
Agreed starting late is not reclassed. Plenty of kids start late especially boys
As they lack maturity or development issues there really is nothing wrong with that now are there parents that start late solely for athletic excellence yes I know some but it isn't reclassing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/02/17 10:06 PM
You are really overstating the quality of BL team. I have never seen BL in the finals of any quality tournament and I have NEVER seen them even try to play in a Long Island tourney. NXT last year was dominated by Long Island teams. Freedom also talks a good game, but is no where to be found in the finals.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/03/17 12:22 AM
My son has played for BL since they started and nobody is saying they are the best however the 2023 has either beaten or played competitively a lot of top notch teams. Teams beaten: Crabs, Laxachusetts, LI Express, 91 Warriors, Bethesda LC, Building Blocks, Tri State, Superstar and recently 91 in box. lost to Igloo by a couple and S2S in overtime. That is pretty good company and I believe our team is the best out of Philly at 2023 and 2024
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/03/17 01:24 AM
Agreed a lot more than triple HHH
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/03/17 01:52 AM
Dukes what a bad showing in tampa
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/03/17 02:11 AM
You are right the NXT Cup was dominated by Long Island teams and there was only one NON LI Team, Brotherly Love. The NXT Cup had one of the strongest brackets in the country at 2023 where BL had their best team. The SemiFinals was the following teams.

LI Express
S2S (LI team that only has an elite 2023 team)
91 Bandits
Brotherly Love

BL lost to S2S in overtime and then beat Express in the Consolation game missing their 2 best poles.

I don't think the quality of the team is overstated at all. Can Triple H do that, Has Freedom done that, Mesa, NXT??

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/03/17 02:24 AM
Why go to Long Island when all the best LI Teams come down here....Thank you NXT for field and Fusion for BOX. I for one would rather sleep in my own bed and save the hassle and money.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/03/17 02:49 PM
I can second that emotion! As far as overstating the quality of BL is concerned, the record speaks for itself. Overstating, understating, hitting the mark directly, what does it matter in the grand scheme of things? It does seem to matter to the person who posted the statement. I can confidently say that most BL parents are ok with that opinion because, in most cases, the opinion is just sour grapes from an opponent that doesn't jibe with reality.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/03/17 03:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why go to Long Island when all the best LI Teams come down here....Thank you NXT for field and Fusion for BOX. I for one would rather sleep in my own bed and save the hassle and money.


Unfortunately, unless you want to only play one top-tier tourney a year, you're going to need to travel. BL should try to get into the NLF. Lots of top team play in those tourneys.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/03/17 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why go to Long Island when all the best LI Teams come down here....Thank you NXT for field and Fusion for BOX. I for one would rather sleep in my own bed and save the hassle and money.


Unfortunately, unless you want to only play one top-tier tourney a year, you're going to need to travel. BL should try to get into the NLF. Lots of top team play in those tourneys.


I wonder if playing more than one top-tier tourney a year is a worthy goal? I think there are a few different types of lacrosse parents, not one better than another, just different. God bless Team 91 parents. They spend a sizable sum of money and time on lacrosse before they even book their hotels for the trip to PA, Maryland or Florida etc. Their kids train for a dis-proportional amount of time compared to many other teams. They get top notch training, coaches and facilities, but for everything gained, something must be sacrificed. I'm not sure I want my son (family) to give up all those things we do when we aren't in the car, on the plane, in a hotel, because our team demands that. I think it is just a different philosophy. Sure, it's fun to say you're the best at something, but is it meaningful at this stage of their lives, or is it more "important" to the parent who is living vicariously? So, if BL beats Bandits one day, it will be the icing on the cake, not the fulfillment of their destiny.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/03/17 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why go to Long Island when all the best LI Teams come down here....Thank you NXT for field and Fusion for BOX. I for one would rather sleep in my own bed and save the hassle and money.


Unfortunately, unless you want to only play one top-tier tourney a year, you're going to need to travel. BL should try to get into the NLF. Lots of top team play in those tourneys.

LOL, BL will never-ever be invited to play in the NLF, they are a rinky dink club and will not be considered. BL will end up folding as the kids get older, just as rising sons did
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/03/17 08:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why go to Long Island when all the best LI Teams come down here....Thank you NXT for field and Fusion for BOX. I for one would rather sleep in my own bed and save the hassle and money.


Unfortunately, unless you want to only play one top-tier tourney a year, you're going to need to travel. BL should try to get into the NLF. Lots of top team play in those tourneys.

LOL, BL will never-ever be invited to play in the NLF, they are a rinky dink club and will not be considered. BL will end up folding as the kids get older, just as rising sons did


Are you this fun to be with in person or just on this thread? If you weren't so juvenile and ridiculous and a second rate prognosticator, I'd cite some stats that would prove your prediction to be unlikely. But, you are just plain juvenile and ridiculous. Actually, your negativity is sad. Why not start the new year the way you ended the last, right? I suppose if BL ever did play in the NLF it would be because it cheated, right? The fact that you have nothing better to do than to spew negativity about a youth lacrosse team is a reflection on the type of person you are. It doesn't reflect well on you and it does nothing to enhance this thread. And, if BL does fold as you predict, it will fold after helping in the development of some great young men who, I believe, will be miles ahead of you in life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/03/17 09:15 PM
BL is not going to beat the Bandits, they are not going to beat Igloo or S2S. The Long Island teams have a much deeper pool of talent and they take the game much more seriously.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/03/17 10:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL is not going to beat the Bandits, they are not going to beat Igloo or S2S. The Long Island teams have a much deeper pool of talent and they take the game much more seriously.


I'm wondering if you meant obsessively rather than seriously. Yes, they have a MUCH deeper pool of talent to choose from and they obsess over the amount of preparation their kids need to enjoy the game of lacrosse and win, no matter the cost. If you are one of them, good for you. Like I said, icing on the cake if BL beats any of the teams you've mentioned. They've come very close to beating at least one of them in their brief history. I'd consider being a little less definitive if I were you. Keep watching.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/03/17 11:03 PM
LOL, actually I know the owner of BL and as a matter of fact their 2023 and 2024 were both invited to the NLF event in June but declined due to prior commitments. Don't kid yourslelf at 2023 there were alot of non NLF teams that attended. The NLF guys aren't stupid if they want to promote their brand of elite tournaments they recognize that there are elite teams outside of their Federation.

BL came out of nowhere, and let's be frank started kicking everyone's [lacrosse] locally in Philly, cite them for cheating or whatever makes you feel sleep at night about the results, that is fine, but the results and game scores themselves cannot be refuted.

Even now they are working with S2S, Igloo, Express to set up a local "off the grid" playday between the top 2023 and 2024 teams in the country but most on this board wouldn't even be aware of that as they can't compete. Very Darwinian in that all of the elite clubs want to compete against each other as they all recognize that the only way to stay on top is to play the best competition you can find.

If they beat Express which most would place at #2 on the 2023 hierarchy and beat the Crabs which beat Igloo twice why couldn't they beat them. Maybe we do maybe we do but at least we are in the game, you.... the only game you are playing is with yourself
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/03/17 11:31 PM
Just to put it into perspective, the Express have not been able to beat the Bandits ever. The Express is a well established strong team and they have never been able to get over hump. So, it is very hard to imagine BL winning a game with the Bandits anytime soon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/04/17 02:29 AM
I don't disagree with you but to put it into perspective I know for a fact the former coach and founder of the club has set that as the goal for the 2023 team what is your goal, to win the B Bracket. At least BL can run with these teams can yours?
After all who has been able to beat the Bandits? For the most part clubs improve BL in my opinion has all the pieces finally in place let's see how we do despite all the naysayers poking the BL voodoo dolls
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/04/17 11:08 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL, actually I know the owner of BL and as a matter of fact their 2023 and 2024 were both invited to the NLF event in June but declined due to prior commitments. Don't kid yourslelf at 2023 there were alot of non NLF teams that attended. The NLF guys aren't stupid if they want to promote their brand of elite tournaments they recognize that there are elite teams outside of their Federation.

BL came out of nowhere, and let's be frank started kicking everyone's [lacrosse] locally in Philly, cite them for cheating or whatever makes you feel sleep at night about the results, that is fine, but the results and game scores themselves cannot be refuted.

Even now they are working with S2S, Igloo, Express to set up a local "off the grid" playday between the top 2023 and 2024 teams in the country but most on this board wouldn't even be aware of that as they can't compete. Very Darwinian in that all of the elite clubs want to compete against each other as they all recognize that the only way to stay on top is to play the best competition you can find.

If they beat Express which most would place at #2 on the 2023 hierarchy and beat the Crabs which beat Igloo twice why couldn't they beat them. Maybe we do maybe we do but at least we are in the game, you.... the only game you are playing is with yourself


Playing in a NLF event at a younger age means nothing. The only NLF events that matter are for the HS ages and my understanding is that only NLF affiliated teams play in those.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/04/17 11:59 AM
Igloo never beat them either then they did last year. No doubt outstanding team but that doesn't mean we stop trying bit defeatist
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/04/17 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL, actually I know the owner of BL and as a matter of fact their 2023 and 2024 were both invited to the NLF event in June but declined due to prior commitments. Don't kid yourslelf at 2023 there were alot of non NLF teams that attended. The NLF guys aren't stupid if they want to promote their brand of elite tournaments they recognize that there are elite teams outside of their Federation.

BL came out of nowhere, and let's be frank started kicking everyone's [lacrosse] locally in Philly, cite them for cheating or whatever makes you feel sleep at night about the results, that is fine, but the results and game scores themselves cannot be refuted.

Even now they are working with S2S, Igloo, Express to set up a local "off the grid" playday between the top 2023 and 2024 teams in the country but most on this board wouldn't even be aware of that as they can't compete. Very Darwinian in that all of the elite clubs want to compete against each other as they all recognize that the only way to stay on top is to play the best competition you can find.

If they beat Express which most would place at #2 on the 2023 hierarchy and beat the Crabs which beat Igloo twice why couldn't they beat them. Maybe we do maybe we do but at least we are in the game, you.... the only game you are playing is with yourself


Playing in a NLF event at a younger age means nothing. The only NLF events that matter are for the HS ages and my understanding is that only NLF affiliated teams play in those.


There were non NLF teams playing in HS divisions of the summer NLF championship. Looneys played in fall freshman. If the coaches/directors establish right relationships and they are among the best, they'll get invited to plenty of great events.

The "top events" keep changing too. Back when my oldest was in club the top youth events were Tristate in NJ and Summer Sizzle in Baltimore
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/04/17 03:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL, actually I know the owner of BL and as a matter of fact their 2023 and 2024 were both invited to the NLF event in June but declined due to prior commitments. Don't kid yourslelf at 2023 there were alot of non NLF teams that attended. The NLF guys aren't stupid if they want to promote their brand of elite tournaments they recognize that there are elite teams outside of their Federation.

BL came out of nowhere, and let's be frank started kicking everyone's [lacrosse] locally in Philly, cite them for cheating or whatever makes you feel sleep at night about the results, that is fine, but the results and game scores themselves cannot be refuted.

Even now they are working with S2S, Igloo, Express to set up a local "off the grid" playday between the top 2023 and 2024 teams in the country but most on this board wouldn't even be aware of that as they can't compete. Very Darwinian in that all of the elite clubs want to compete against each other as they all recognize that the only way to stay on top is to play the best competition you can find.

If they beat Express which most would place at #2 on the 2023 hierarchy and beat the Crabs which beat Igloo twice why couldn't they beat them. Maybe we do maybe we do but at least we are in the game, you.... the only game you are playing is with yourself


Playing in a NLF event at a younger age means nothing. The only NLF events that matter are for the HS ages and my understanding is that only NLF affiliated teams play in those.


It just means that you would be playing against the best possible competition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/04/17 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL, actually I know the owner of BL and as a matter of fact their 2023 and 2024 were both invited to the NLF event in June but declined due to prior commitments. Don't kid yourslelf at 2023 there were alot of non NLF teams that attended. The NLF guys aren't stupid if they want to promote their brand of elite tournaments they recognize that there are elite teams outside of their Federation.

BL came out of nowhere, and let's be frank started kicking everyone's [lacrosse] locally in Philly, cite them for cheating or whatever makes you feel sleep at night about the results, that is fine, but the results and game scores themselves cannot be refuted.

Even now they are working with S2S, Igloo, Express to set up a local "off the grid" playday between the top 2023 and 2024 teams in the country but most on this board wouldn't even be aware of that as they can't compete. Very Darwinian in that all of the elite clubs want to compete against each other as they all recognize that the only way to stay on top is to play the best competition you can find.

If they beat Express which most would place at #2 on the 2023 hierarchy and beat the Crabs which beat Igloo twice why couldn't they beat them. Maybe we do maybe we do but at least we are in the game, you.... the only game you are playing is with yourself


Playing in a NLF event at a younger age means nothing. The only NLF events that matter are for the HS ages and my understanding is that only NLF affiliated teams play in those.


It just means that you would be playing against the best possible competition.
At the younger ages 2021 and below, clubs like Igloo and Legacy have the top teams on the island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/04/17 05:18 PM
FYI there are 80 listed 2020 commits. 58 of them are from NON NLF teams. There are a lot of great players playing on NON NLF teams. You do not have to play for an NLF team to get recruited. If you are good you will be seen and recruited.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/04/17 08:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI there are 80 listed 2020 commits. 58 of them are from NON NLF teams. There are a lot of great players playing on NON NLF teams. You do not have to play for an NLF team to get recruited. If you are good you will be seen and recruited.


I'm not talking about recruiting, just playing against some really good teams. Anyone can get recruited. People think you need to be on a high profile club. That's just not so. I've been through it. Just find the colleges your kid is interested in and go to their camps in 9th and 10th grade. That's the real way to do it.

FYI: Zumnuts and Igloo are not the best LI teams from 2021 and down. They're good, but 91 and Express still hold the top spots for most grades, 2024 excluded.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/05/17 03:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI there are 80 listed 2020 commits. 58 of them are from NON NLF teams. There are a lot of great players playing on NON NLF teams. You do not have to play for an NLF team to get recruited. If you are good you will be seen and recruited.

What's concerning is there's only an handful of PA kids. Still early but damn.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/05/17 09:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI there are 80 listed 2020 commits. 58 of them are from NON NLF teams. There are a lot of great players playing on NON NLF teams. You do not have to play for an NLF team to get recruited. If you are good you will be seen and recruited.

What's concerning is there's only an handful of PA kids. Still early but damn.


Get a grip, they haven't even played a varsity game yet. People have lost their minds.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/05/17 10:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI there are 80 listed 2020 commits. 58 of them are from NON NLF teams. There are a lot of great players playing on NON NLF teams. You do not have to play for an NLF team to get recruited. If you are good you will be seen and recruited.

What's concerning is there's only an handful of PA kids. Still early but damn.


Get a grip, they haven't even played a varsity game yet. People have lost their minds.

Varsity lacrosse? You're new here, huh. Nobody cares about HS LAX, my friend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/05/17 10:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI there are 80 listed 2020 commits. 58 of them are from NON NLF teams. There are a lot of great players playing on NON NLF teams. You do not have to play for an NLF team to get recruited. If you are good you will be seen and recruited.

What's concerning is there's only an handful of PA kids. Still early but damn.


Get a grip, they haven't even played a varsity game yet. People have lost their minds.


Son, you will play lacrosse because you choose to, because you enjoy the game. Your dad acknowledges that it's not likely you will ever be a starter on a D1 team, but that's ok. The game of lacrosse enhances you, it does not define who you are. Play the game and if it ever feels like a job, it's ok if you find something else productive to do with your time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/28/17 03:41 AM
Anyone surprised that a Haverford School grad was booted from UVA?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/28/17 05:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone surprised that a Haverford School grad was booted from UVA?



And who would that be? The goalie that went to Malvern got booted didn't hear anything about a Haverford kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/30/17 06:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone surprised that a Haverford School grad was booted from UVA?



And who would that be? The goalie that went to Malvern got booted didn't hear anything about a Haverford kid.


Poquie
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/30/17 07:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone surprised that a Haverford School grad was booted from UVA?



And who would that be? The goalie that went to Malvern got booted didn't hear anything about a Haverford kid.


Poquie


Why?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/01/17 08:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone surprised that a Haverford School grad was booted from UVA?



And who would that be? The goalie that went to Malvern got booted didn't hear anything about a Haverford kid.


Poquie


Why?


UVA not giving specific details. I guess no one died.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/03/17 09:54 PM
Any thoughts on who wins the Elite Eight Tournament being run by Mark Millon on June 3/4th in Maryland. The top Eight 2024 teams in the country are invited:

Team 91 Wolfpack
Annapolis Hawks
Brotherly Love
Igloo
Team 91 Maryland
Madly
Bethesda.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/04/17 02:17 AM
1) Madlax
2) Team 91 Wolfpack
3) Legacy Taz
4) Brotherly Love
5) Bethesda
6) Team 91 MD
7) Annapolis Hawks
8) Igloo
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/04/17 12:04 PM
Never heard of this tournament. Where is it and when is it only 2024?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/04/17 12:06 PM
Wolfpack or Taz are clearly the best but this is a great group of teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/04/17 03:24 PM
madlax is good, but they are really 2023 kids, the wonderful world of holdbacks. Older kids can beat younger kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/04/17 04:20 PM
I agree that MD has a lot of holdbacks as a general rule but are you making a generalization or are they really 2023 kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/04/17 04:23 PM
This I don't get.
Who is the person(s) that decided that these are the best 8 Teams at 2024. Was there a panel, was there a poll, was this unilaterally a decision? Give me a break, the best 8 teams in the country. I can think of several that should be on this list and some frankly that shouldn't be on this list. From LI and this list is suspect.

To show I am not a HOMER it begins with Igloo, not top 20 let alone top 8.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/04/17 06:27 PM
How is Brotherly Love on this list ONLY good team they have is 2023. Brotherly Love is a one team club not even sure that makes them a club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/04/17 11:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is Brotherly Love on this list ONLY good team they have is 2023. Brotherly Love is a one team club not even sure that makes them a club.


Watched BL 2024 at Crab Feast and you have no clue what you are taking about.
They lost to the 24 cough/cough MadLax team by a goal in the finals. Taz and Wolfpack are clearly the 2 best teams but BL is definitely a top 8 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/04/17 11:21 PM
Is there a Philly team that can beat BL at 24?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/05/17 04:24 AM
Roughriders
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/05/17 08:21 PM
Definitely beat us last year but outside of that game I think that is the only time ever
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/07/17 08:19 PM
For NXT spring league at proving grounds there are restrictions about double rostering, correct?
The way I understand it is that you can only play for one organization but you can float to teams up in age but not down.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/07/17 10:18 PM
Yup
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/10/17 02:48 PM
looks like the schedule is up for the NXT box tourney
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/10/17 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
looks like the schedule is up for the NXT box tourney


2023 looks like a very competitive group!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/10/17 06:03 PM
Looks like good competition at NXT box tourney. Friends visiting from the North. The kids will get a good idea of how the box game should be played. Hope it doesn't get ugly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/10/17 10:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
looks like the schedule is up for the NXT box tourney


2023 looks like a very competitive group!


My guess is team 91 for the top 3 spots and BL a distant 4th.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/10/17 10:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like good competition at NXT box tourney. Friends visiting from the North. The kids will get a good idea of how the box game should be played. Hope it doesn't get ugly.


My bet is on Rising Sons in the 2021 division.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/10/17 10:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like good competition at NXT box tourney. Friends visiting from the North. The kids will get a good idea of how the box game should be played. Hope it doesn't get ugly.


9-1 MD and Hawks have best shot at 2022.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/10/17 11:14 PM
Nxt spring league schedule is posted on tourney machine
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/11/17 05:11 AM
BL can and has beat Warriors I don't see us beating 91 at box we simply don't play it enough. I would keep an eye on Ottawa the Canadians are playing a different game
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/11/17 04:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL can and has beat Warriors I don't see us beating 91 at box we simply don't play it enough. I would keep an eye on Ottawa the Canadians are playing a different game


BL will be last.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/11/17 07:28 PM
Ahh always the vitriol and envy to the point of obtuse. Really 12 teams in the bracket and they are going to be last? What place will your team be while your kid is home playing Xbox and you gratify yourself in front of your monitor
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/11/17 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL can and has beat Warriors I don't see us beating 91 at box we simply don't play it enough. I would keep an eye on Ottawa the Canadians are playing a different game


BL will be last.


Our kids appreciate the support....you should come introduce yourself to them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/12/17 02:23 AM
Ha! BL has no shot to beat Warriors.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/12/17 02:28 AM
Prediction for NXT 2023 final....Bandits Orange vs Bandits Blue
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/12/17 05:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ha! BL has no shot to beat Warriors.


They just beat them a couple weeks ago you dope. Stop stirring.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/12/17 11:55 AM
Your likely right about the final the Bandits have spent a ton of time playing box lacrosse and BL 2023 has spent little however we are 2-0 vs the Warriors having beat them outside by a lot to a little and just beat them in the finals of the Fusion Box Tournament. The truth just kills you doesn't it, just eats away at you. Why so bitter? Did you lose your best players to BL did your kid get cut?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/12/17 02:39 PM
2-1 against the Warriors (91 B Team). Handled them at NXT and 1-1 at Fusion both 1 goal games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/12/17 02:54 PM
Ottawa will take 2021
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/12/17 04:04 PM
Just to be clear this B team is better than most A teams so let's not give them the props they deserve. I would put them top 10 in the country
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/13/17 02:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2-1 against the Warriors (91 B Team). Handled them at NXT and 1-1 at Fusion both 1 goal games.


BL had 15 players in the championship and the 91 team only had like 9. Fresh legs made the difference. Both teams played very well, though.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/13/17 02:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL can and has beat Warriors I don't see us beating 91 at box we simply don't play it enough. I would keep an eye on Ottawa the Canadians are playing a different game


Agreed. It will be interesting to see how physical they will allow the boys to play. Seems like every tournament has had a different set of rules.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/13/17 08:19 PM
Has anyone heard who Episcopal hired as the D-Coordinator?!? T Slate. Any thoughts on that hire?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/13/17 10:59 PM
Once was a phenomenal pole himself. Going through some tough times right now but both he and the HC could use a fresh start and wish them well. I have a sneaking suspicion that Episcopal will soon be in the elite ranks, nationally.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/14/17 04:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Once was a phenomenal pole himself. Going through some tough times right now but both he and the HC could use a fresh start and wish them well. I have a sneaking suspicion that Episcopal will soon be in the elite ranks, nationally.
Not easy to do with Haverford and Malvern in your back yard. Coed also so makes it tough when you are pulling from half the # of kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/14/17 01:51 PM
I agree about once being a phenomenal pole, and furthermore his knowledge of the game is in the elite category. Just concerned about how many bridges he has burned and players and parents not wanting to send their children there because of him. He was ran out of town at DEast because of the parents and the issues they had with his ethics etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/14/17 10:06 PM
Former HC of Princeton isn't that the ultimate prize for any kid going to an elite prep school and I wouldn't hold the cover against them look at their basketball teams. Bates deserves a second chance and I am in his corner
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/15/17 12:04 PM
Agreed the co-ed thing is a non issue if they want to be truly elite they will recruit the kids OMG have you ever been on campus I wish I had the $$ to send my son there to play lacrosse it is an unbelievable campus what does it cost to go there ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/15/17 05:41 PM
EA could be elite, however the school is driven by academics first and athletics second. If you can't meet their academic standards, then you will have a hard time getting in no matter how good of a lacrosse player you are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/16/17 09:21 PM
nxt box tourney predictions

HS AA - Everest Academy Varsity
HS A - Everest Academy JV
2021 - Ottawa Capitals
2022 - Annapolis Hawks (toss up in this division though)
2023 - 91 Bandits (either color)
2024 - Brotherly Love
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/20/17 11:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
nxt box tourney predictions

HS AA - Everest Academy Varsity
HS A - Everest Academy JV
2021 - Ottawa Capitals
2022 - Annapolis Hawks (toss up in this division though)
2023 - 91 Bandits (either color)
2024 - Brotherly Love


HS AA - Everest over Penn Lax 14-6
HS A - 91 Crush over Everest in finals 7-6
2021 - TriState over PennLax 6-3 (Ottawa capitals 0-4)
2022 - 91md over Hawks 13-9
2023 - ? - three 91s and BL in brackets but no results? BL lost to 91 blue earlier 5-4
2024 - 91md over BL 8-7




Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/20/17 11:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
nxt box tourney predictions

HS AA - Everest Academy Varsity
HS A - Everest Academy JV
2021 - Ottawa Capitals
2022 - Annapolis Hawks (toss up in this division though)
2023 - 91 Bandits (either color)
2024 - Brotherly Love


HS AA - Everest over Penn Lax 14-6
HS A - 91 Crush over Everest in finals 7-6
2021 - TriState over PennLax 6-3 (Ottawa capitals 0-4)
2022 - 91md over Hawks 13-9
2023 - ? - three 91s and BL in brackets but no results? BL lost to 91 blue earlier 5-4
2024 - 91md over BL 8-7






2023- bandits v bandits in the final. No game played. Beat BL and Warriors by a bunch in the semis.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/17 02:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
nxt box tourney predictions

HS AA - Everest Academy Varsity
HS A - Everest Academy JV
2021 - Ottawa Capitals
2022 - Annapolis Hawks (toss up in this division though)
2023 - 91 Bandits (either color)
2024 - Brotherly Love


HS AA - Everest over Penn Lax 14-6
HS A - 91 Crush over Everest in finals 7-6
2021 - TriState over PennLax 6-3 (Ottawa capitals 0-4)
2022 - 91md over Hawks 13-9
2023 - ? - three 91s and BL in brackets but no results? BL lost to 91 blue earlier 5-4
2024 - 91md over BL 8-7






2023- bandits v bandits in the final. No game played. Beat BL and Warriors by a bunch in the semis.


Bandits 4-0
Bandits 4-0
Warriors 3-1
Brotherly Love 2-2
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/17 02:18 AM
Wow! Bandits and the B team in the finals. Not a great showing for Philly lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/17 03:06 AM
Actually 1/2 bandits played and handily beat B team. Other 1/2 Bandit team beat up BL by a large margin
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/17 03:16 AM
Did you expect otherwise? 9/1 is 100% committed to the box game and Philly teams are not.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/17 03:56 AM
Bandits beat BL 14-5
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/17 11:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow! Bandits and the B team in the finals. Not a great showing for Philly lacrosse.


Wow! It's almost like you have no idea who the Bandits and the "B" team are. Check out some of the predictions in earlier posts and the rationale for those predictions. If you think this box tournament was a representation of Philly lacrosse, think again. Just curious, are you from L.I.? Or, do you have an issue with Philly lacrosse and maybe one team in particular? Either way, your comment is meaningless. How did your team represent?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/17 11:46 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow! Bandits and the B team in the finals. Not a great showing for Philly lacrosse.


Canada, LI, and MD - no surprises

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/17 01:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bandits beat BL 14-5


12-4 but whose counting
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/17 02:36 PM
The Bandits are an excellent team; their skills are top notch and reflective of the amount of time they invest in the game at such a young age. I watched the Brotherly Love vs Bandits (split squad) which Bandits won 5-4 and I have to say that BL looked awful, they looked like a field team trying to play box and didn't even put a shot on goal until 7 minutes had expired. That's embarrassing. Now that being said here was the difference in the two teams.
Bandits: Elite stick skills and precision execution of the box game.
Brotherly Love: No clue on how to play box but clearly the more athletic and faster team. They had 3-4 kids that looked like attack type skill sets, the rest shouldn't be playing box and were obviously defenseman or middies used to running by people to get their goals.

However "Gloating Parent" from Long Island what does strike me about the 91 Bandits is very little speed and athleticism and a ton of undersized kids. The reality is the insane amount of time and money invested into youth lacrosse will yield very little return for the majority of you. Sure there may be a Connor Cannizzaro amongst the Bandit Team but I didn't see him if there was. If BL 2023 is the best Philly Team and my understanding is they are they are clearly the more athletic team and at the end of they day individual kids on BL will eventually catch the 91 kids and ultimately have more successful lacrosse careers. I don't doubt that 91 players will go on and have success; however, the majority of them will end up as burnt out college kids reminiscing about their glory days from when they were in 5th and 6th grade. You are kidding yourself if you think the undersized kids that I saw are going to be able to play collegiate lacrosse at a D1 Level. The Jordan Wolf's and the Joey Sankeys are the minority, size matters.
But in fairness Kudos to the 91 teams and their brand. They have done a remarkable job in developing skillsets and elevating the you game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/17 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Bandits are an excellent team; their skills are top notch and reflective of the amount of time they invest in the game at such a young age. I watched the Brotherly Love vs Bandits (split squad) which Bandits won 5-4 and I have to say that BL looked awful, they looked like a field team trying to play box and didn't even put a shot on goal until 7 minutes had expired. That's embarrassing. Now that being said here was the difference in the two teams.
Bandits: Elite stick skills and precision execution of the box game.
Brotherly Love: No clue on how to play box but clearly the more athletic and faster team. They had 3-4 kids that looked like attack type skill sets, the rest shouldn't be playing box and were obviously defenseman or middies used to running by people to get their goals.

However "Gloating Parent" from Long Island what does strike me about the 91 Bandits is very little speed and athleticism and a ton of undersized kids. The reality is the insane amount of time and money invested into youth lacrosse will yield very little return for the majority of you. Sure there may be a Connor Cannizzaro amongst the Bandit Team but I didn't see him if there was. If BL 2023 is the best Philly Team and my understanding is they are they are clearly the more athletic team and at the end of they day individual kids on BL will eventually catch the 91 kids and ultimately have more successful lacrosse careers. I don't doubt that 91 players will go on and have success; however, the majority of them will end up as burnt out college kids reminiscing about their glory days from when they were in 5th and 6th grade. You are kidding yourself if you think the undersized kids that I saw are going to be able to play collegiate lacrosse at a D1 Level. The Jordan Wolf's and the Joey Sankeys are the minority, size matters.
But in fairness Kudos to the 91 teams and their brand. They have done a remarkable job in developing skillsets and elevating the you game.


Overall, a reasonably good assessment. I don't think it's accurate to say that BL was "awful". You are correct to say that BL looks like a field team trying to play box. The fact is, that's exactly what they are. Comparatively speaking, they've had very little play time and even less practice time. Despite those facts, they lost by one point to one Bandit team and they scored more points and allowed fewer goals when they played the other. Both Bandits teams have CONSIDERABLY more practice and experience in box. BL wasn't awful, just inexperienced.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/17 08:23 PM
They looked awful. Players running around with 5 seconds left oblivious to the shot clock, the subbing looked like a Chinese Firedrill, Poles playing offense that looked like they were uncomfortable with a short stick, no picks, no pick and slips, no back door cuts, and middie "types" trying to do alley dodges. But they were fast. The one kid ran down a 91 kid and took his arm off like a cheetah chasing down a zebra on the Serengeti....but overall their box game looked awful.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/17 08:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They looked awful. Players running around with 5 seconds left oblivious to the shot clock, the subbing looked like a Chinese Firedrill, Poles playing offense that looked like they were uncomfortable with a short stick, no picks, no pick and slips, no back door cuts, and middie "types" trying to do alley dodges. But they were fast. The one kid ran down a 91 kid and took his arm off like a cheetah chasing down a zebra on the Serengeti....but overall their box game looked awful.


Amazing they looked awful and made top 4...and were a few very questionable calls in game one against 91 Blue from going 3-0 in pool play.
If they are awful what are all the other teams not named Bandits?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/17 11:08 PM
Truly awful
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/17 11:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Truly awful


There you go....another positive voice in youth lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/17 12:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Bandits are an excellent team; their skills are top notch and reflective of the amount of time they invest in the game at such a young age. I watched the Brotherly Love vs Bandits (split squad) which Bandits won 5-4 and I have to say that BL looked awful, they looked like a field team trying to play box and didn't even put a shot on goal until 7 minutes had expired. That's embarrassing. Now that being said here was the difference in the two teams.
Bandits: Elite stick skills and precision execution of the box game.
Brotherly Love: No clue on how to play box but clearly the more athletic and faster team. They had 3-4 kids that looked like attack type skill sets, the rest shouldn't be playing box and were obviously defenseman or middies used to running by people to get their goals.

However "Gloating Parent" from Long Island what does strike me about the 91 Bandits is very little speed and athleticism and a ton of undersized kids. The reality is the insane amount of time and money invested into youth lacrosse will yield very little return for the majority of you. Sure there may be a Connor Cannizzaro amongst the Bandit Team but I didn't see him if there was. If BL 2023 is the best Philly Team and my understanding is they are they are clearly the more athletic team and at the end of they day individual kids on BL will eventually catch the 91 kids and ultimately have more successful lacrosse careers. I don't doubt that 91 players will go on and have success; however, the majority of them will end up as burnt out college kids reminiscing about their glory days from when they were in 5th and 6th grade. You are kidding yourself if you think the undersized kids that I saw are going to be able to play collegiate lacrosse at a D1 Level. The Jordan Wolf's and the Joey Sankeys are the minority, size matters.
But in fairness Kudos to the 91 teams and their brand. They have done a remarkable job in developing skillsets and elevating the you game.


Wonderful back handed compliment.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/17 01:19 AM
At least he/she understands lacrosse not like most of these fools which includes most youth coaches and parents that can see what REALLY is going on out on the field
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/17 02:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Bandits are an excellent team; their skills are top notch and reflective of the amount of time they invest in the game at such a young age. I watched the Brotherly Love vs Bandits (split squad) which Bandits won 5-4 and I have to say that BL looked awful, they looked like a field team trying to play box and didn't even put a shot on goal until 7 minutes had expired. That's embarrassing. Now that being said here was the difference in the two teams.
Bandits: Elite stick skills and precision execution of the box game.
Brotherly Love: No clue on how to play box but clearly the more athletic and faster team. They had 3-4 kids that looked like attack type skill sets, the rest shouldn't be playing box and were obviously defenseman or middies used to running by people to get their goals.

However "Gloating Parent" from Long Island what does strike me about the 91 Bandits is very little speed and athleticism and a ton of undersized kids. The reality is the insane amount of time and money invested into youth lacrosse will yield very little return for the majority of you. Sure there may be a Connor Cannizzaro amongst the Bandit Team but I didn't see him if there was. If BL 2023 is the best Philly Team and my understanding is they are they are clearly the more athletic team and at the end of they day individual kids on BL will eventually catch the 91 kids and ultimately have more successful lacrosse careers. I don't doubt that 91 players will go on and have success; however, the majority of them will end up as burnt out college kids reminiscing about their glory days from when they were in 5th and 6th grade. You are kidding yourself if you think the undersized kids that I saw are going to be able to play collegiate lacrosse at a D1 Level. The Jordan Wolf's and the Joey Sankeys are the minority, size matters.
But in fairness Kudos to the 91 teams and their brand. They have done a remarkable job in developing skillsets and elevating the you game.


Wonderful back handed compliment.


And how much will it pay off for you ultra athletic on the rise superstars? Coach already promising your payoff in the way of full rides? You have a long way to go in a full field game against those slow pokes. And this is coming from a li guy who hates 91.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/17 02:01 AM
Your a jerkoff. Tons and tons of undersized kids doing very well in college lacrosse. Grant ament. Is five foot 9. 6 goals on Saturday. That said all the big kids can gladly take spots on Syracuse taking basket weaving and underwater fire prevention while the smaller kids fill up the Nescac schools and actually come out of college employable beyond coaching lacrosse at the newest travel programs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/17 02:12 AM
Just read this I don't thinks it's a backhanded compliment at all, but more a realistic view of the new landscape of lacrosse. Our local public high school has only 2 kids starting under 6ft tall. Like all sports the athletes are getting bigger, faster and stronger. The good thing is the game is exploading in popularity and the natural evolution is the 5'7 130 pound kids will start to be weeded out at the higher levels much faster than in the past...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/17 03:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your a jerkoff. Tons and tons of undersized kids doing very well in college lacrosse. Grant ament. Is five foot 9. 6 goals on Saturday. That said all the big kids can gladly take spots on Syracuse taking basket weaving and underwater fire prevention while the smaller kids fill up the Nescac schools and actually come out of college employable beyond coaching lacrosse at the newest travel programs


I am going to guess you are about 5ft 5 inches....struck a nerve. Listen "Mighty Mite" in the future if you are going to cite a small player I would recommend not trotting out a Philly kid like Grant Ament to make your point. You should have regurgitated Connor Cannizzaro or is the list of small stars perhaps that short...Well anyhoo like the original guy state...and he is correct the numbers don't lie big and fast will always prevail, there are always exceptions as the Philly kid that you cited demonstrates. Nobody was talking about employment or pounding their chests about their curriculum vitae...easy little guy take a deep breath.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/17 03:40 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Bandits are an excellent team; their skills are top notch and reflective of the amount of time they invest in the game at such a young age. I watched the Brotherly Love vs Bandits (split squad) which Bandits won 5-4 and I have to say that BL looked awful, they looked like a field team trying to play box and didn't even put a shot on goal until 7 minutes had expired. That's embarrassing. Now that being said here was the difference in the two teams.
Bandits: Elite stick skills and precision execution of the box game.
Brotherly Love: No clue on how to play box but clearly the more athletic and faster team. They had 3-4 kids that looked like attack type skill sets, the rest shouldn't be playing box and were obviously defenseman or middies used to running by people to get their goals.

However "Gloating Parent" from Long Island what does strike me about the 91 Bandits is very little speed and athleticism and a ton of undersized kids. The reality is the insane amount of time and money invested into youth lacrosse will yield very little return for the majority of you. Sure there may be a Connor Cannizzaro amongst the Bandit Team but I didn't see him if there was. If BL 2023 is the best Philly Team and my understanding is they are they are clearly the more athletic team and at the end of they day individual kids on BL will eventually catch the 91 kids and ultimately have more successful lacrosse careers. I don't doubt that 91 players will go on and have success; however, the majority of them will end up as burnt out college kids reminiscing about their glory days from when they were in 5th and 6th grade. You are kidding yourself if you think the undersized kids that I saw are going to be able to play collegiate lacrosse at a D1 Level. The Jordan Wolf's and the Joey Sankeys are the minority, size matters.
But in fairness Kudos to the 91 teams and their brand. They have done a remarkable job in developing skillsets and elevating the you game.


You Clearly didn't watch the Bandit Orange team play! If you were looking for that speed it was with the orange team. They took our kids to the shed. Blowing by our boys. As our coaches were subbing at the wrong time Bandits Orange was running perfectly executed breaks The Orange Bandit team was at a different level than I've seen in this age group. It was the first thing my son said after the game. Tremendous skill and athleticism
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/17 12:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Bandits are an excellent team; their skills are top notch and reflective of the amount of time they invest in the game at such a young age. I watched the Brotherly Love vs Bandits (split squad) which Bandits won 5-4 and I have to say that BL looked awful, they looked like a field team trying to play box and didn't even put a shot on goal until 7 minutes had expired. That's embarrassing. Now that being said here was the difference in the two teams.
Bandits: Elite stick skills and precision execution of the box game.
Brotherly Love: No clue on how to play box but clearly the more athletic and faster team. They had 3-4 kids that looked like attack type skill sets, the rest shouldn't be playing box and were obviously defenseman or middies used to running by people to get their goals.

However "Gloating Parent" from Long Island what does strike me about the 91 Bandits is very little speed and athleticism and a ton of undersized kids. The reality is the insane amount of time and money invested into youth lacrosse will yield very little return for the majority of you. Sure there may be a Connor Cannizzaro amongst the Bandit Team but I didn't see him if there was. If BL 2023 is the best Philly Team and my understanding is they are they are clearly the more athletic team and at the end of they day individual kids on BL will eventually catch the 91 kids and ultimately have more successful lacrosse careers. I don't doubt that 91 players will go on and have success; however, the majority of them will end up as burnt out college kids reminiscing about their glory days from when they were in 5th and 6th grade. You are kidding yourself if you think the undersized kids that I saw are going to be able to play collegiate lacrosse at a D1 Level. The Jordan Wolf's and the Joey Sankeys are the minority, size matters.
But in fairness Kudos to the 91 teams and their brand. They have done a remarkable job in developing skillsets and elevating the you game.


You Clearly didn't watch the Bandit Orange team play! If you were looking for that speed it was with the orange team. They took our kids to the shed. Blowing by our boys. As our coaches were subbing at the wrong time Bandits Orange was running perfectly executed breaks The Orange Bandit team was at a different level than I've seen in this age group. It was the first thing my son said after the game. Tremendous skill and athleticism


Can't argue with that. If the Bandits are at a tournament, parity didn't show up. With a seemingly unlimited amount of resources and a commitment to exploiting them the Bandits ensure a lopsided and boring game more often than not. But, while your kids team gets crushed, consider the financial and time resources and sacrifices those families and kids make to be the best. I'm not sure it's worth it and I question whether or not it's the childhood all of those boys want. I think I'm OK with what my team is doing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/17 05:59 PM
Orange, the little lax cyborgs from a galaxy far far away.They made the Bandit team of another color look like mere mortals. No doubt the Bandit Orange team was constructed to deliver the championship while the other Bandits and Warriors cleaned up the crumbs. I wonder how much play time the kids on the other Bandits squad gets when they head outdoors. So even within its own ranks, one stacked orange team is in a different league. When you distill an already great team down like this, add a MLL and D1 lacrosse coach, put a goalie in front of the net the size of Mt. Rushmore etc., the end result is a bad experience for kids on both sides. Just watch the Bandit kids yawn after their next win.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/17 06:37 PM
Amen. If the goal is to be the best youth lacrosse player in middle school they are unparalleled but it seems to me their teams are not as dominant at the high school level. Do the kids move on, do they get burned out, does the club not focus on older boys just curious.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/23/17 02:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen. If the goal is to be the best youth lacrosse player in middle school they are unparalleled but it seems to me their teams are not as dominant at the high school level. Do the kids move on, do they get burned out, does the club not focus on older boys just curious.


You should see this Coaches older team Absolutely incredible
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/23/17 08:36 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen. If the goal is to be the best youth lacrosse player in middle school they are unparalleled but it seems to me their teams are not as dominant at the high school level. Do the kids move on, do they get burned out, does the club not focus on older boys just curious.


9d1's 2018,19,20,21 teams are all top 5 teams in the country for their respective year groups. The 2020 team arguably one best teams in youth lacrosse history.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/23/17 12:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen. If the goal is to be the best youth lacrosse player in middle school they are unparalleled but it seems to me their teams are not as dominant at the high school level. Do the kids move on, do they get burned out, does the club not focus on older boys just curious.


9d1's 2018,19,20,21 teams are all top 5 teams in the country for their respective year groups. The 2020 team arguably one best teams in youth lacrosse history.


Top 5 in the country is very respectable, but to the point of the other poster, it is not as dominant as the 2023 team. Seemed like a reasonable question to me.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/23/17 01:42 PM
Anyone know how often they are practicing. That kind of precision has to be driven by a lot of practice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/23/17 02:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how often they are practicing. That kind of precision has to be driven by a lot of practice.


I talked to a few of the parents and they said 2x a week and play every weekend. The kids play other sports but lacrosse always comes 1st. I can't see how this won't burn 90% of them out by the time they reach HS.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/23/17 10:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen. If the goal is to be the best youth lacrosse player in middle school they are unparalleled but it seems to me their teams are not as dominant at the high school level. Do the kids move on, do they get burned out, does the club not focus on older boys just curious.


9d1's 2018,19,20,21 teams are all top 5 teams in the country for their respective year groups. The 2020 team arguably one best teams in youth lacrosse history.


Top 5 in the country is very respectable, but to the point of the other poster, it is not as dominant as the 2023 team. Seemed like a reasonable question to me.


Bueller?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/24/17 05:23 PM
Their players stop playing club after they commit to college. On LI, the HS completion is very strong. Clubs are used as a vehicle for college recruitment. Once they commit, the club had set bed its purpose. Some stay on, but the majority don't.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/25/17 02:07 AM
To the fella who is saying that BL could have beaten the Bandits, remember this: BL lost to the second string with a 5th grade goalie. Also, that small, slow, non-athletic team is a much better field team than box. And don't worry about the size, they're 11 and will continue growing. Phili is light years behind LI.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/25/17 02:20 AM
They practice twice a week, they take off most of the fall for football. My son has practiced with them some. They focus on stick work in the off season. This group has been together since 2nd grade. They believe in BOX and that is why the stick work is so strong.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/25/17 02:20 AM
They practice twice a week, they take off most of the fall for football. My son has practiced with them some. They focus on stick work in the off season. This group has been together since 2nd grade. They believe in BOX and that is why the stick work is so strong.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/25/17 12:55 PM
Hey there. LI parent here. 91 is a very strong program at every level; however, their 2020 Crush team and their 2023 Bandit team are on another level. The coach is a lunatic (also coaches NY Lizards, the reining MLL champs, and Stony Brook Women's Lacrosse, currently #5 in the country) but he gets results. The team has probably swapped out 10-12 players since 2nd grade and always upgraded with 2 or 3 every season, so it not like they have all been playing together forever. LI has a very large pool of really good players and, with a few exceptions, he gets his pick every year. There are some very good kids that won't go there because they would be fighting for playing time.

I know some people were talking about cost, but the cost for the Bandits is no more than any other top-their LI team. You get what you pay for. Their are probably 25 options for club lax on the 2023 level. The top 10 all cost the same (aside from travel expenses... some travel more than others). But they all practice twice a week in fall and winter. I would say Bandits, Warriors, Express A, Shore2Shore and Igloo are the top clubs. Then you have teams like Leg a Sea, Empire, Outlaws, Express B, True Blue and Igloo B (new club) that are below them. Then there is a ton of new or smaller clubs that may be better fits for developing player and parents who want to play locally. All of those clubs, even the developmental ones, have good players. Most have st least one stud player.

You need to understand how crazy lax is here. People buy their houses and settle into towns based on their varsity lax coach/program. That's not even a joke! Phili has talent, but it's still new there. Every dad in your area is not getting his kid a lax stick for his 3rd birthday. Grandfathers aren't taking their grandkids out to their back yards to shoot 100 righty and 100 lefty.

As long as the boys are having fun, don't worry about wins and losses. If your team is good, like BL, Sons, Dukes, etc) and you're losing, then it means you're playing the right teams. That's how you get better. Bandits and Crush play up very often.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/26/17 04:30 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's rate the 2020 groups...

Sounds like something that would be great to do in the Boys 2020 forum.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/27/17 12:17 PM
What Philly league are the club teams playing in this spring?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/27/17 05:21 PM
Usually NXT. Someone said that NXT had a falling out with fever and Fever pulled all of their teams out of the NXT spring league. The also stopped swapping tournament registrations this summer. I would assume that the NXT league will crash and burn after this year. It is really overpriced for a bunch of short blowout games. Most teams are better off just scheduling Sunday paydays against a couple of teams that are of a similar skill level.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/27/17 07:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Usually NXT. Someone said that NXT had a falling out with fever and Fever pulled all of their teams out of the NXT spring league. The also stopped swapping tournament registrations this summer. I would assume that the NXT league will crash and burn after this year. It is really overpriced for a bunch of short blowout games. Most teams are better off just scheduling Sunday paydays against a couple of teams that are of a similar skill level.


I couldn't agree more.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/27/17 10:44 PM
Moving to Philly area this summer. In the Main Line area it looks like Radnor is strong in public schools. Are there other good high school Lax programs? I would have thought Lower Merion schools might be stronger? Do the better players go to Haverford, Malvern Prep, etc.?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/28/17 12:28 AM
Haverford and Malvern are by far the top lax schools. Radnor and Conestoga are really strong programs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/01/17 12:06 AM
Anyone notice why Dukes changed their practice location for the Nationals teams this past weekend the week before?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/01/17 12:58 AM
His brother coaches there?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/01/17 12:59 AM
No idea. But despite the rain, it was a great experience for my son. This model is not for everyone. But it's a great learning experience for these kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/08/17 03:22 AM
Earliest commit ever. 2021 to Maryland
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/08/17 02:06 PM
Sad that these coaches are pursuing kids this young. The system is broken. Too bad the adults in the equation (college coaches, club director, parents) can't show some restraint here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/08/17 02:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Earliest commit ever. 2021 to Maryland


Earliest boys commit. Bunch of 2021 girls committed already.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/08/17 03:00 PM
Funny not even the best player on his req team either. The system is beyond flawed kids locally getting recruited by big time schools and they might not even see the field for there HS teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/08/17 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny not even the best player on his req team either. The system is beyond flawed kids locally getting recruited by big time schools and they might not even see the field for there HS teams.


They are being sold by parents and coaches more than they're being recruited. It happened with the LI 2021 girl going to Penn State. Dad was a football coach of some big time player and networked his way to getting his daughter committed. Can't wait till NCAA does away with this nonsense next month.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/08/17 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny not even the best player on his req team either. The system is beyond flawed kids locally getting recruited by big time schools and they might not even see the field for there HS teams.
He doesn't play rec. He obviously is one of the top in the nation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/08/17 08:05 PM
He played for Coventry and if it was my choice I would take the pole from that team. He is the second best player on his rec team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/08/17 08:34 PM
exactly...that is what is comical about the early recruiting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/08/17 09:19 PM
I 100% agree that some (not all) of the earliest recruits are being sold. There is one in the 2020 class that is average at best. I will be very curious to see how things turn out for them. I actually feel bad for the kids (and that is what they are) they have zero idea what it is they are "committing" to. I am sure I will get bashed for that comment and people will say how wonderful that their dreams are being met and all of their "hard work" is paying off, but there is no way a kid that has never even played a minute of varsity, and has zero HS credits can make a decision about what college they want to attend. IMO some parents have pushed this on their kids since they were little and the kid has had zero choice in the matter
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/08/17 11:06 PM
Agree 100%.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/09/17 12:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He played for Coventry and if it was my choice I would take the pole from that team. He is the second best player on his rec team.

Good thing its not your choice. I'm sure D1 coaches that are top in the Nation know what they are doing. Surprised they didn't consult you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/09/17 02:33 AM
Okay "TAD" isn't even the best kid in Philly com'n now just overzealous dad you know it . I am going to guess the pole didn't play for Sons...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/09/17 11:37 AM
Who does your kid play for??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/09/17 05:12 PM
My kid play for Freedom, what does that have anything to do with it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/09/17 06:58 PM
Spanos is a nice player. I don't think elite. My kid is a year younger than him. I do think that he stood out more when he was younger. There was a time no doubt that he really "jumped" off the field with skills and ability. But kids get passed as they hit puberty, get more touches, work on their game. There are a lot of kids that are really good when they are younger because they have a parent that put a stick in their hands in the delivery room. Then invariably other kids catch up with them that perhaps don't start until 5/6/7 for example.

No knock on the kid at all, congratulations to him and his family if that was their goal.

I just think it makes no sense to bank on these kids when they are in 8th grade. You can't even really bank on these kids, junior or senior year in high school let alone 8th grade.

Look at the kid from Syracuse that was the Number #1 Recruit and donned #22 talk... about underperforming and not living up to the hype. the whole thing is a crap shoot and throwing the dice in 8th grade isn't a table I would step up to.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/10/17 02:06 AM
Plays for Mesa, probably their best player, on a team that's very competitive
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/10/17 12:34 PM
Doesn't he play for Rising Sons
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/10/17 05:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doesn't he play for Rising Sons


his highlight video shows in played for koopers in MD last spring/summer. Seems like it would be a crazy travel burden although JHU HC has kids on that team so maybe he wanted to get seen by DP. Apparently switched to RS last fall.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/10/17 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doesn't he play for Rising Sons


his highlight video shows in played for koopers in MD last spring/summer. Seems like it would be a crazy travel burden although JHU HC has kids on that team so maybe he wanted to get seen by DP. Apparently switched to RS last fall.

Highlights are a combination of koopers and rising sons. He played with rising sons for a couple years and then left one summer when their 2021's disbanded and then came back.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/10/17 08:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doesn't he play for Rising Sons


his highlight video shows in played for koopers in MD last spring/summer. Seems like it would be a crazy travel burden although JHU HC has kids on that team so maybe he wanted to get seen by DP. Apparently switched to RS last fall.

Highlights are a combination of koopers and rising sons. He played with rising sons for a couple years and then left one summer when their 2021's disbanded and then came back.


RS 2021 never disbanded, there were lots of parents on the team that were dissatisfied and basically that whole team left, the original RS 2021 team was really good. Then they all left and were replaced with other players, not quite as good, but decent players none the less. The boy in question also spent some time playing for Igloo on Long Island. Both that and Koopers are crazy commutes, makes you wonder why anyone would want to do that
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/10/17 09:23 PM
Yeah why when the 21 Mesa team is loaded? Could it be your parent is a total whack job?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/10/17 11:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah why when the 21 Mesa team is loaded? Could it be your parent is a total whack job?
Seems to have worked out and I think Sons beat Mesa and tied Igloo with the lesser players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/11/17 12:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He played for Coventry and if it was my choice I would take the pole from that team. He is the second best player on his rec team.

The Wookie!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/11/17 11:59 PM
They should bring back the wookies.....Small rosters and dirt cheap.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/12/17 04:07 AM
Tad you're a total [lacrosse]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/13/17 02:09 AM
What makes you call him that ? He has brought another elite program to the Philly area which was needed in this stale market of lacrosse. His program has been second to none for training and experience. Why all the hate ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/13/17 12:52 PM
I think its more the way he did it. Any guy that would cheat in a local league when he already had the best team should tell you all you need to know...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/14/17 11:06 AM
Rising Sons' training programs year round are tops in Philly. Just look at the coaching staffs and go watch a practice then maybe you haters will understand. Ultimately that's what its all about - developing skills in a positive environment. And one other thing you might want to remember - the D1 coaches agree and are recognizing the lacrosse IQ and skill of these Sons.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/14/17 01:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons' training programs year round are tops in Philly. Just look at the coaching staffs and go watch a practice then maybe you haters will understand. Ultimately that's what its all about - developing skills in a positive environment. And one other thing you might want to remember - the D1 coaches agree and are recognizing the lacrosse IQ and skill of these Sons.



Honesty is not hate, they cheated at NXT when they already had the best team...that point aside if the program is so great why is it a few years if not less from going away?
And for 3k for a 2023 the training better be great....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/14/17 01:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons' training programs year round are tops in Philly. Just look at the coaching staffs and go watch a practice then maybe you haters will understand. Ultimately that's what its all about - developing skills in a positive environment. And one other thing you might want to remember - the D1 coaches agree and are recognizing the lacrosse IQ and skill of these Sons.



Honesty is not hate, they cheated at NXT when they already had the best team...that point aside if the program is so great why is it a few years if not less from going away?
And for 3k for a 2023 the training better be great....
I believe its $2200 for 4 seasons all in.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/14/17 06:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons' training programs year round are tops in Philly. Just look at the coaching staffs and go watch a practice then maybe you haters will understand. Ultimately that's what its all about - developing skills in a positive environment. And one other thing you might want to remember - the D1 coaches agree and are recognizing the lacrosse IQ and skill of these Sons.



Honesty is not hate, they cheated at NXT when they already had the best team...that point aside if the program is so great why is it a few years if not less from going away?
And for 3k for a 2023 the training better be great....
Do you know how silly you are for making that your reference. Go look in a mirror
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/14/17 07:47 PM
I just read what he wrote what is silly about it? It seems to be a legit question...if the program is so great why is it folding?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/14/17 09:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just read what he wrote what is silly about it? It seems to be a legit question...if the program is so great why is it folding?

Good question, I heard rising sons is the biggest daddy ball team around. King rising son didn't even play lacrosse himself, but he will be quick to tell you what an amazing coach he is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/15/17 02:35 AM
so I'm guessing either you son was CUT from the sons team , or his team was beaten by a sons team for you to be so bitter. He hasn't played the game , but we I have coached against a bunch that have and that doesn't seem to matter!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/16/17 01:58 AM
It does matter.

You can get away at youth lacrosse or really any youth sport having not played the game. But the level we are talking about on this forum which is elite club level you need to have played the game. Can you be an assistant, or run the box...yes. But HC or Coordinator no.

Let me put it to you this way would you take lessons from a golf pro that never played the game and couldn't break a 100....take swimming lessons from someone that would drown if thrown into the pool.... or hire a personal trainer that is grossly obese and out of shape.

Put down the pipe and stop smoking
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/16/17 03:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It does matter.

You can get away at youth lacrosse or really any youth sport having not played the game. But the level we are talking about on this forum which is elite club level you need to have played the game. Can you be an assistant, or run the box...yes. But HC or Coordinator no.

Let me put it to you this way would you take lessons from a golf pro that never played the game and couldn't break a 100....take swimming lessons from someone that would drown if thrown into the pool.... or hire a personal trainer that is grossly obese and out of shape.

Put down the pipe and stop smoking
You mean this baseball guy?

Head Coach Mike Daly has led the Tufts University Men's Lacrosse program to three NCAA Championship titles, including the last two (2014, 2015). Under his direction, the Jumbos are one of the most successful programs in the country year in and year out.Tufts has also won six consecutive New England Small College Athletic Conference (NESCAC) titles under Coach Daly. He is a three-time NESCAC Co-Coach of the Year, including 2014, 2007 and 2004.Now in his 18th season as leader of the Jumbos, Daly is the program’s all-time leader in coaching victories with a 224-80 record for a .737 winning percentage. He is among the top 10 active coaches for winning percentage and is in the top 20 for victories. Among all-time DIII coaches, he is in the top 15 for winning percentage and top 30 for wins.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/16/17 10:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It does matter.

You can get away at youth lacrosse or really any youth sport having not played the game. But the level we are talking about on this forum which is elite club level you need to have played the game. Can you be an assistant, or run the box...yes. But HC or Coordinator no.

Let me put it to you this way would you take lessons from a golf pro that never played the game and couldn't break a 100....take swimming lessons from someone that would drown if thrown into the pool.... or hire a personal trainer that is grossly obese and out of shape.

Put down the pipe and stop smoking


The Rising Sons teams are decent in PA, but they rarely (even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then) beat top programs. Heck, they have even lost to PA teams. But king son will tell you how amazing they are any chance he gets. He is the kind of cheating and a cheap shot artist. I wonder if he still has videos posted of his kid taking cheap shots as a pee wee football player, he was really into that. I wonder if his kid even still plays football?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/17/17 05:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It does matter.

You can get away at youth lacrosse or really any youth sport having not played the game. But the level we are talking about on this forum which is elite club level you need to have played the game. Can you be an assistant, or run the box...yes. But HC or Coordinator no.

Let me put it to you this way would you take lessons from a golf pro that never played the game and couldn't break a 100....take swimming lessons from someone that would drown if thrown into the pool.... or hire a personal trainer that is grossly obese and out of shape.

Put down the pipe and stop smoking
You mean this baseball guy?

Head Coach Mike Daly has led the Tufts University Men's Lacrosse program to three NCAA Championship titles, including the last two (2014, 2015). Under his direction, the Jumbos are one of the most successful programs in the country year in and year out.Tufts has also won six consecutive New England Small College Athletic Conference (NESCAC) titles under Coach Daly. He is a three-time NESCAC Co-Coach of the Year, including 2014, 2007 and 2004.Now in his 18th season as leader of the Jumbos, Daly is the program’s all-time leader in coaching victories with a 224-80 record for a .737 winning percentage. He is among the top 10 active coaches for winning percentage and is in the top 20 for victories. Among all-time DIII coaches, he is in the top 15 for winning percentage and top 30 for wins.


Tad you aren't really comparing yourself to the Tufts coach, are you?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/17/17 08:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons' training programs year round are tops in Philly. Just look at the coaching staffs and go watch a practice then maybe you haters will understand. Ultimately that's what its all about - developing skills in a positive environment. And one other thing you might want to remember - the D1 coaches agree and are recognizing the lacrosse IQ and skill of these Sons.


When have the 2022's had a decent coach.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/20/17 03:17 PM
My son is a mid level A player D Pole and shut Spanos down on multiple occassions. Is he good - YES, D1 - I think so BUT is he sure fire to commit in 8th grade? No. That's all the poster was saying.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/20/17 03:32 PM
You see this all the time with average field teams - Fusion, Tristare, BBL, etc - beating teams in box that man handle them on the field. I was at NXT and Freedom 2022 one of the best 2022 in the country should have lost to Tristate and gothe smacked by MD91 - outdoor they win both easily IMO.

Box is truly different and box first programs or box heavy programs beat better teams all the time. Add to that 91 2023 is a great field team too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/20/17 05:31 PM
You have no problem putting one young mans name out there, so who is this mystery defender? Inquiring minds want to know. C'mon dad you know you want to brag about him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/20/17 06:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have no problem putting one young mans name out there, so who is this mystery defender? Inquiring minds want to know. C'mon dad you know you want to brag about him.


Not the original poster, but the committed boy's parents are the ones that "put his name out there"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/20/17 07:27 PM
Is that the same MD91 team that just beat Freedom 22?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/22/17 11:45 AM
As a High School coach who was recently made aware of this board I can say that this visit will be a one and done for me. Get over yourselves.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/22/17 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a High School coach who was recently made aware of this board I can say that this visit will be a one and done for me. Get over yourselves.

This board is the greatest thing to happen to the Philly LAX scene. Ever. Period. Get over yourself...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/22/17 03:48 PM
And it won't be One and Done either...you will be back and sneak in with a pulled down baseball hat .... just like you do at the strip club that you go to...its like crack my friend...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/22/17 06:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a High School coach who was recently made aware of this board I can say that this visit will be a one and done for me. Get over yourselves.

What did you think this was gonna be? Coaches talking about man up/down strategies? How to properly execute a ride? Running a gb drill for optimal coldweather warmup?
Come on man! This site is phenomenal and you'll be back. You're reading this right now contemplating weather you should reply now or after practice. Better get out to that field tho and get em ready for the season, broseph.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/22/17 08:02 PM
take the kilt off Mary
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/23/17 12:22 AM
For the record that was one or two games. I personally think Spanos is a damn stud and a good kid IMO. No shade towards him.

I know my kids level and like I said mid A, kids like Spanos are AA. My point was more supporting the point that 8th grade recruiting is stupid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/23/17 12:27 AM
I did say 91MD won in box? Regardless my point is that outdoors I think Freedom 22 wins - not easily shouldn't have said that so I retract that statement.

BUT my stance is the same - box first teams beat great field teams indoor often. Its just a different game that takes getting used too. Its not as easy as walk in and start a box team and dominate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/23/17 12:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And it won't be One and Done either...you will be back and sneak in with a pulled down baseball hat .... just like you do at the strip club that you go to...its like crack my friend...


Absolute classic.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/23/17 06:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a mid level A player D Pole and shut Spanos down on multiple occassions. Is he good - YES, D1 - I think so BUT is he sure fire to commit in 8th grade? No. That's all the poster was saying.
1. No your son didn't. 2. Yes he sure fire to commit because he did.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/27/17 01:14 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a mid level A player D Pole and shut Spanos down on multiple occassions. Is he good - YES, D1 - I think so BUT is he sure fire to commit in 8th grade? No. That's all the poster was saying.
1. No your son didn't. 2. Yes he sure fire to commit because he did.


First I saw what I saw. Spanos had 1 goal over two games that I watched. Not a big thing it happens to every kid no matter how good they are. Kids like that teams plan for - should be flattered actually.

More important to clarify - no 8th grader is a "surefire" D1 player. I said sure fire commit so you used that to say "well he committed". You know damn well I what I meant and if not will spell it
Out - a lot can happen between 8th grade and College. Kids stop growing, skills don't get better, they burn out, etc so no 8th grader is a sure thing from a college perspective. Can they commit - YES but that doesn't mean they will ever play a second of meaningful college lacrosse. That's all my point was, and to be honest it wasn't really regarding Spanos at all it was meant for all the early recruiting going on.

Now like I said in another post I think he's a great player and will play college ball. So don't take it personal which you seem to be doing, probably Tad or his Dad. You should be proud he is a damn good player.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/28/17 03:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I did say 91MD won in box? Regardless my point is that outdoors I think Freedom 22 wins - not easily shouldn't have said that so I retract that statement.

BUT my stance is the same - box first teams beat great field teams indoor often. Its just a different game that takes getting used too. Its not as easy as walk in and start a box team and dominate.


Freedom '22 just got spanked by Annapolis Hawks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/28/17 07:27 PM
per usual...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/29/17 02:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I did say 91MD won in box? Regardless my point is that outdoors I think Freedom 22 wins - not easily shouldn't have said that so I retract that statement.

BUT my stance is the same - box first teams beat great field teams indoor often. Its just a different game that takes getting used too. Its not as easy as walk in and start a box team and dominate.


Freedom '22 just got spanked by Annapolis Hawks.


I heard that down at Homewood Havoc - though that is irrelevant to what I posted. I know some Freedom guys and they have upmost respect for Annapolis Hawks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/29/17 03:14 AM
Whose your Daddy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/17/17 06:32 PM
What is going on with the mighty Malvern Prep? Seems like what was supposed to be a National power house isn't even a power house in its own league
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/18/17 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is going on with the mighty Malvern Prep? Seems like what was supposed to be a National power house isn't even a power house in its own league


Well, they would be having a better year if they moved some of the freshmen up, they have some really good ones who could have helped this year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/18/17 09:40 PM
I wonder who put out this comment
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/18/17 09:42 PM
First Fall tryout dates set and published
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/22/17 06:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wonder who put out this comment


We are 'Penn State"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/22/17 06:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wonder who put out this comment


We are 'Penn State"
Nope
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/23/17 01:13 PM
hear those lions roar!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/23/17 05:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
hear those lions roar!



no doubt...who else would think a few 14 year old's playing against 18/19 year old's would really make that big a difference. We are not talking about Matt Moore...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/25/17 05:32 PM
Inside Lacrosse just ranked Brotherly Love #7 U13 Team in the country. For a club that has been around for three years very impressive. Good luck to you guys. Don't see you breaking into the semis unfortunately or having a prayer chance to beat some of those teams but just to make the list. Kudos.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/25/17 06:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Inside Lacrosse just ranked Brotherly Love #7 U13 Team in the country. For a club that has been around for three years very impressive. Good luck to you guys. Don't see you breaking into the semis unfortunately or having a prayer chance to beat some of those teams but just to make the list. Kudos.



This has to be the funniest thing I have ever heard, "world ranking" U13 teams. Was someone drinking when they came up with this idea?!?!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/25/17 07:18 PM
Uh duh!

You ever hear of marketing...I think Jake Seinfeld (Body by Jake, FitTV, MLL, WSYL) knows a thing or two about how to market something....let me guess your pissed because little Jonny isn't on the team and your club couldn't go because all the best players are over age.

You do know that they have International Teams coming to this thing as well. In fairness I think the rankings are off, personally, I think that Igloo and 91 should have been 1 and 2 but guessing that the organizers don't want to have two Long Island Teams in the finals like last year.... that is called market share and geographical diversity to to facilitate advertisers which falls under the auspices of marketing....$$$

I am going to guess that:

1. You failed out of college
2. You never went to college
3. You are the CEO and Founder of your own dog walking business

Go back to work
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/25/17 07:48 PM
Now that is the funniest thing I have heard....he got you dude.

What is the name of your dog walking business.

Rover on Over, Inc.

See Spot Walk, LLC

Wag a Tail Associates

Toasted...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/26/17 02:08 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Uh duh!

You ever hear of marketing...I think Jake Seinfeld (Body by Jake, FitTV, MLL, WSYL) knows a thing or two about how to market something....let me guess your pissed because little Jonny isn't on the team and your club couldn't go because all the best players are over age.

You do know that they have International Teams coming to this thing as well. In fairness I think the rankings are off, personally, I think that Igloo and 91 should have been 1 and 2 but guessing that the organizers don't want to have two Long Island Teams in the finals like last year.... that is called market share and geographical diversity to to facilitate advertisers which falls under the auspices of marketing....$$$

I am going to guess that:

1. You failed out of college
2. You never went to college
3. You are the CEO and Founder of your own dog walking business

Go back to work

Actually, my son is on the team that won it the first year. There is no way I would say the are world champs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/26/17 11:15 AM
uh well uh my son is Matt Rambo...yeah right dude...get back to work Spot needs to take a leak
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/26/17 11:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
uh well uh my son is Matt Rambo...yeah right dude...get back to work Spot needs to take a leak


FYI, Matt Rambo was not on that team. And, I will tell you the tournament in Denver is a great time and it is a huge carrot to play on TV, but if you think the competition there is great, you have another thing coming. Go for the experience, not because you think there will be great lacrosse played. And, to say that the teams that are going are the best in the world is laughable. But then again, we all know that today everyone gets a trophy whether they deserve it or not. So feel free to tell your son's team that they are the "7th best team in the world"!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/26/17 05:44 PM
Dimwit of course Matt Rambo wasn't on the team, this event started three years ago, I was pulling that out of my [lacrosse] just like you pulled "my son was on the team" out of your [lacrosse]. That would mean that your son plays for Team 91since they won the inaugural event three years ago and if there is one thing I have learned is that Long Island lacrosse parents think highly of themselves and if they won that game they would definitely anoint themselves World Champions.

So stop the pretense and the sham. Now tell me how a tournament that starts with Igloo, Team 91, the best teams on the West Coast, Arden, Long Island Express, Brotherly Love, and all the teams that didn't make it but were at the qualifiers isn't a top notch tournament.

This isn't a 2022 Tournament numb nuts it is a U13 Tournament. Enlighten us as as to the pinnacles of youth lacrosse that are NOT attending the event since that is your contention.

Let go of your ankles and go walk your dogs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/26/17 06:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dimwit of course Matt Rambo wasn't on the team, this event started three years ago, I was pulling that out of my [lacrosse] just like you pulled "my son was on the team" out of your [lacrosse]. That would mean that your son plays for Team 91since they won the inaugural event three years ago and if there is one thing I have learned is that Long Island lacrosse parents think highly of themselves and if they won that game they would definitely anoint themselves World Champions.

So stop the pretense and the sham. Now tell me how a tournament that starts with Igloo, Team 91, the best teams on the West Coast, Arden, Long Island Express, Brotherly Love, and all the teams that didn't make it but were at the qualifiers isn't a top notch tournament.

This isn't a 2022 Tournament numb nuts it is a U13 Tournament. Enlighten us as as to the pinnacles of youth lacrosse that are NOT attending the event since that is your contention.

Let go of your ankles and go walk your dogs.


Not all lacrosse parents on LI are nuts, yes some are, but there are plenty of people who have a little humility. There is no such thing as world champions, and no such thing as rankings of U13 teams. But if it makes you feel better about yourself to say that your team is the best in the world, then I say "have at it". But, I will say, it sounds like you really need to get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/26/17 06:34 PM
Humility and Team 91please...I have a great life. However, you are missing the point. Of course anointing a team World Ranking at U13 is an overstatement...but read back a few posts and you will see that it is nothing more than a marketing tactic traditionally filled with superlatives, and that was my point. However, tell me how that list on insidelacrosse.com doesn't represent 80% of the best clubs out there. Of course there is only one MD team which is a bit odd but they are all over age anyway. If you have nothing better to do than wander around reading posts from areas other than where you live you might want to go punch your timecard as your shift is over and you can go home now. Perhaps you should get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/31/17 03:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Humility and Team 91please...I have a great life. However, you are missing the point. Of course anointing a team World Ranking at U13 is an overstatement...but read back a few posts and you will see that it is nothing more than a marketing tactic traditionally filled with superlatives, and that was my point. However, tell me how that list on insidelacrosse.com doesn't represent 80% of the best clubs out there. Of course there is only one MD team which is a bit odd but they are all over age anyway. If you have nothing better to do than wander around reading posts from areas other than where you live you might want to go punch your timecard as your shift is over and you can go home now. Perhaps you should get a life.


The Diamondbacks are #3 on the IL list and finished in 6th place in their spring club league with the best of MD, VA, and D.C. None of the 5 teams better than them bought into the wsyl money grab. There are 3 legitamte teams in the list and they are all from Long Island. They will beat everyone but the other LI teams by 10 or more.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/31/17 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Humility and Team 91please...I have a great life. However, you are missing the point. Of course anointing a team World Ranking at U13 is an overstatement...but read back a few posts and you will see that it is nothing more than a marketing tactic traditionally filled with superlatives, and that was my point. However, tell me how that list on insidelacrosse.com doesn't represent 80% of the best clubs out there. Of course there is only one MD team which is a bit odd but they are all over age anyway. If you have nothing better to do than wander around reading posts from areas other than where you live you might want to go punch your timecard as your shift is over and you can go home now. Perhaps you should get a life.


The Diamondbacks are #3 on the IL list and finished in 6th place in their spring club league with the best of MD, VA, and D.C. None of the 5 teams better than them bought into the wsyl money grab. There are 3 legitamte teams in the list and they are all from Long Island. They will beat everyone but the other LI teams by 10 or more.


Yeah they thought is was a money grab that is why they didn't try to qualify. You can't try and qualify for a U13 event when 50% of your team is driving.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/31/17 09:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Humility and Team 91please...I have a great life. However, you are missing the point. Of course anointing a team World Ranking at U13 is an overstatement...but read back a few posts and you will see that it is nothing more than a marketing tactic traditionally filled with superlatives, and that was my point. However, tell me how that list on insidelacrosse.com doesn't represent 80% of the best clubs out there. Of course there is only one MD team which is a bit odd but they are all over age anyway. If you have nothing better to do than wander around reading posts from areas other than where you live you might want to go punch your timecard as your shift is over and you can go home now. Perhaps you should get a life.


The Diamondbacks are #3 on the IL list and finished in 6th place in their spring club league with the best of MD, VA, and D.C. None of the 5 teams better than them bought into the wsyl money grab. There are 3 legitamte teams in the list and they are all from Long Island. They will beat everyone but the other LI teams by 10 or more.


Yeah they thought is was a money grab that is why they didn't try to qualify. You can't try and qualify for a U13 event when 50% of your team is driving.



For whatever reason the wsyl competition is very weak compared to many other tournaments this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/06/17 04:11 AM
The first one was real strong, last year a little less and this year many good 2022 didn't even try like Freedom, Mesa, Crabs, Hawks, etc. They are all playing in the 2022 National Championship or what ever they call it.

While none of them will admit it the reason is that the new age rules would have cut their 2022 teams in half and that pissed them off.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/06/17 01:23 PM
This is circle jerk and we have been going around and around. This is a U13 tournament it is NOT a 2022 tournament. I for one applaud WSYL for sticking with their guns and keeping the Sept 1st cut off.

Give me a break, I just went to a tournament in MD and the majority of the 2022 Teams had kids that were obviously rec-lassed. Every team has a couple of kids that are big but if the whole damn team is three inches taller and 20 lbs heavier than other teams it is a mockery of sportsmanship. Stop pretending that all these 2022 kids are stud teams and stud players. The true litmus test about how good your kids is to ask yourself would he still "stand out" on a 2021 team. If the answer is NO, then you might want to up your monthly college savings commitment cause the fraction of a fraction of a 12.5 scholarship ... it ain't happening.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/06/17 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is circle jerk and we have been going around and around. This is a U13 tournament it is NOT a 2022 tournament. I for one applaud WSYL for sticking with their guns and keeping the Sept 1st cut off.

Give me a break, I just went to a tournament in MD and the majority of the 2022 Teams had kids that were obviously rec-lassed. Every team has a couple of kids that are big but if the whole damn team is three inches taller and 20 lbs heavier than other teams it is a mockery of sportsmanship. Stop pretending that all these 2022 kids are stud teams and stud players. The true litmus test about how good your kids is to ask yourself would he still "stand out" on a 2021 team. If the answer is NO, then you might want to up your monthly college savings commitment cause the fraction of a fraction of a 12.5 scholarship ... it ain't happening.


I wonder if changing the way College's recruit will stop the re-classing and holdbacks that all the MD teams do. Before it did make a difference, reclass beat up on younger kids and get committed. Now you reclass and all you get to do is just beat up on younger kids, if that is what you are into. The first time we went to MD I couldn't believe how big and athletic the kids were. After speaking to one of the MD Parents that was very nice he told me that 80% of his 2022 team was born is 2003. Our team only 25% was born in the late 2003.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/06/17 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is circle jerk and we have been going around and around. This is a U13 tournament it is NOT a 2022 tournament. I for one applaud WSYL for sticking with their guns and keeping the Sept 1st cut off.

Give me a break, I just went to a tournament in MD and the majority of the 2022 Teams had kids that were obviously rec-lassed. Every team has a couple of kids that are big but if the whole damn team is three inches taller and 20 lbs heavier than other teams it is a mockery of sportsmanship. Stop pretending that all these 2022 kids are stud teams and stud players. The true litmus test about how good your kids is to ask yourself would he still "stand out" on a 2021 team. If the answer is NO, then you might want to up your monthly college savings commitment cause the fraction of a fraction of a 12.5 scholarship ... it ain't happening.


They should have given some notice before changing the cutoff from 5/1 to 9/1 though.

Most teams are not U13 teams, so naturally it will be poorly attended.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/09/17 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The first one was real strong, last year a little less and this year many good 2022 didn't even try like Freedom, Mesa, Crabs, Hawks, etc. They are all playing in the 2022 National Championship or what ever they call it.

While none of them will admit it the reason is that the new age rules would have cut their 2022 teams in half and that pissed them off.


7 of the 12 teams on the wsyl rankings (whatever that is) will also be at the national championship (representing 35% of the national championship teams).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/12/17 11:01 AM
When is Big 4 HHH releasing the tournament schedule? Come on!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/12/17 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When is Big 4 HHH releasing the tournament schedule? Come on!

Was just about to but now since you have schpilkus and are being a boob you will have to wait until Thursday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/12/17 01:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When is Big 4 HHH releasing the tournament schedule? Come on!

Was just about to but now since you have schpilkus and are being a boob you will have to wait until Thursday.



What a Shmendrik

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/12/17 09:09 PM
Hey, why don't you take your skirt off and invite Freedom and Brotherly Love, Billy, or should it be Billie. When you going to stop ducking the better teams from Philly. Curious to see the schedule is Freedom 2022 and 2025 invited and Brotherly Love 2023 and 2024. Dude you are a disgrace glad to see your teams sliding into irrelevance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/13/17 12:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey, why don't you take your skirt off and invite Freedom and Brotherly Love, Billy, or should it be Billie. When you going to stop ducking the better teams from Philly. Curious to see the schedule is Freedom 2022 and 2025 invited and Brotherly Love 2023 and 2024. Dude you are a disgrace glad to see your teams sliding into irrelevance.


Freedom and Brotherly Love should be there. It's as bad as igloo missing from NLF. Just not right.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/13/17 03:27 PM
It will never happen..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/13/17 04:07 PM
Yeah no chance HHH lets local teams beat on them. Fooling parents at the NLF events is a lot easier...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/13/17 05:23 PM
Does anyone know why the only local team they invite is MESA? They seem to include teams with very shady reputations like CRABS, but none of the area teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/16/17 01:18 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The first one was real strong, last year a little less and this year many good 2022 didn't even try like Freedom, Mesa, Crabs, Hawks, etc. They are all playing in the 2022 National Championship or what ever they call it.

While none of them will admit it the reason is that the new age rules would have cut their 2022 teams in half and that pissed them off.


This is the honest truth and the good tea,s skippING readily admit it. I know guys from freedom and Mesa that said examctly that - there teams are built on grade based model and the WSYL changed the cut off which impacted a ton of kids. So a lot didn't go and hey started the 2022 National championship instead.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/16/17 02:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The first one was real strong, last year a little less and this year many good 2022 didn't even try like Freedom, Mesa, Crabs, Hawks, etc. They are all playing in the 2022 National Championship or what ever they call it.

While none of them will admit it the reason is that the new age rules would have cut their 2022 teams in half and that pissed them off.


This is the honest truth and the good tea,s skippING readily admit it. I know guys from freedom and Mesa that said examctly that - there teams are built on grade based model and the WSYL changed the cut off which impacted a ton of kids. So a lot didn't go and hey started the 2022 National championship instead.


Honestly, young guns still has a great line up of teams. Other than the 3 LI teams that went out for wsyl, young guns has much better competition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/16/17 03:42 AM
They couldn't make it because of all the holdbacks . So your team wouldn't be good stop making excuses like the MD teams .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/16/17 10:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey, why don't you take your skirt off and invite Freedom and Brotherly Love, Billy, or should it be Billie. When you going to stop ducking the better teams from Philly. Curious to see the schedule is Freedom 2022 and 2025 invited and Brotherly Love 2023 and 2024. Dude you are a disgrace glad to see your teams sliding into irrelevance.


Freedom and Brotherly Love should be there. It's as bad as igloo missing from NLF. Just not right.


Private party
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/19/17 04:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey, why don't you take your skirt off and invite Freedom and Brotherly Love, Billy, or should it be Billie. When you going to stop ducking the better teams from Philly. Curious to see the schedule is Freedom 2022 and 2025 invited and Brotherly Love 2023 and 2024. Dude you are a disgrace glad to see your teams sliding into irrelevance.


Freedom and Brotherly Love should be there. It's as bad as igloo missing from NLF. Just not right.


Private party


?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/29/17 03:51 AM
What's the deal with Rising Sons now offering high school teams? Did TD burn his bridges at NXT?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/29/17 06:23 PM
Do the math, the 2023 assistant coach is TS, D Cord at EA....now they can restart the program as the pipeline to getting into EA
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/29/17 09:06 PM
They also have 2020 tryouts TBD. Looks like the all hyped NXT 2020 team will be having another round of tryouts to fill those spots when the 12 bolt back to Sons
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/29/17 10:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They also have 2020 tryouts TBD. Looks like the all hyped NXT 2020 team will be having another round of tryouts to fill those spots when the 12 bolt back to Sons

If that is true, that they are trying to field a 2020 team, I would be really shocked if the "12" would return. Too much crazy with Tad and part of the reason they folded is because he knew people were leaving because of his terrible coaching
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/29/17 10:38 PM
My bet is, TD doesn't know how to remove the 2020 team from the website, so he just put TBD for tryouts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/30/17 03:06 PM
Sot do that mean TS and Tad are joining forces...now that is an interesting twosome. Throw in Bates...wow. Strange bedfellows
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 06/30/17 04:49 PM
Why would TD feed kids to EA if his is at MP
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/02/17 04:19 PM
What happened to the Mesa 23 team that played last weekend? Getting smoked at Crabs by teams they beat. Maybe too many guest players last weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/03/17 03:02 AM
PA Rough Riders looked really good at Young Guns this weekend. Made the playoffs and 1 goal from beating MD Rough Riders.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/03/17 11:29 PM
How us the WSYL working out for BL?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/04/17 12:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How us the WSYL working out for BL?


Lol!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/04/17 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How us the WSYL working out for BL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
PA Rough Riders looked really good at Young Guns this weekend. Made the playoffs and 1 goal from beating MD Rough Riders.


Mesa also looked really good. Had Hawks on the ropes before a last minut comeback.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/04/17 02:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How us the WSYL working out for BL?


Lol!


It's not about how well you do, it's about the experience.

Why do you care how people spend their vacations?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/04/17 04:37 PM
Unbelievable experience. What is laughable is comparing this tournament to Young Guns or any other local tournament. Once in a lifetime the kids have had an absolute blast.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/04/17 04:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]How us the WSYL working out for BL?


Lol!


What is more laughable is the Freedom and Mesa Results for the kids that didn't field a team. Give ma a break can't even make the playoffs. LOL
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/04/17 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Unbelievable experience. What is laughable is comparing this tournament to Young Guns or any other local tournament. Once in a lifetime the kids have had an absolute blast.


Glad you're having fun and appreciating the experience, there are a million tournaments out there but this one is unique and you only get one shot at it...
Unless you're a total stud and can play up of course!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/04/17 04:51 PM
The same people were saying the same about [lacrosse]'s Event in Tampa. The competition isn't the absolute best because they have to be the same age, but both great events.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Unbelievable experience. What is laughable is comparing this tournament to Young Guns or any other local tournament. Once in a lifetime the kids have had an absolute blast.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/04/17 04:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The same people were saying the same about [lacrosse]'s Event in Tampa. The competition isn't the absolute best because they have to be the same age, but both great events.

Wow! You sure do know a lot of people! Exaggerate much?fzez

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Unbelievable experience. What is laughable is comparing this tournament to Young Guns or any other local tournament. Once in a lifetime the kids have had an absolute blast.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/04/17 07:02 PM
So did BL "field" a team? Or did it include Freedom and HHH?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]How us the WSYL working out for BL?


Lol!


What is more laughable is the Freedom and Mesa Results for the kids that didn't field a team. Give ma a break can't even make the playoffs. LOL

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/04/17 07:09 PM
BL 22 and 23's some freedom kids and Team Money Jake Bergey's son
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/07/17 03:49 PM
My friend from BL went to the World Series and this was what he said. The greatest lacrosse experience to date for their family. Beautiful state, wonderful venue, and top notch event. Fireworks after the game were unbelievable. He said that it was super expensive, but no regrets. His last comment, my son will remember that week for the rest of his life.

Plenty of people have panned BL for going and the actual event as second rate. He said the level of lacrosse for U13 was outstanding and that teams from California and Texas and other non traditional areas were very good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/09/17 12:04 AM
Tell your BL buddy I am glad they are winning games at the nxt cup. Remind that genius that older kids win games and they are a joke. See you at the country club.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/09/17 12:10 PM
Incoherent. Are you speaking in code?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/16/17 10:06 PM
Looks like TD was working the sidelines hard at Philly Invitational this weekend. Idiot still doesn't get the rules, you don't go after players when they're playing for someone else, wait until the season is over. It will be fun to see RS come back, pretty sure he just burned another bridge with NXT after ruining their 2020 team, but just having him back to do dumb [lacrosse] will make it fun.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/16/17 10:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like TD was working the sidelines hard at Philly Invitational this weekend. Idiot still doesn't get the rules, you don't go after players when they're playing for someone else, wait until the season is over. It will be fun to see RS come back, pretty sure he just burned another bridge with NXT after ruining their 2020 team, but just having him back to do dumb [lacrosse] will make it fun.
Pretty sure he wasn't at the Philly Invite, good try, he was coaching a team at Patriot. Life is short, get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/17/17 02:08 AM
Shame on NXT, we you make a deal with the devil , you will get burned
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/17/17 04:50 PM
Looks like nxt didn't live up to its promises. Sons are back. Maybe hype knight will help.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/17/17 06:57 PM
TD is a cancer to the lacrosse community.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/17/17 09:11 PM
Shame on any of the parents who are teaching their kids that a commitment to a team means nothing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/18/17 04:39 AM
Commitment to a club team is completely based on the relationship of a player and his coach (or coaches). If NXT wasn't able to keep up the standard that the 2020 Sons were familiar with, the players should rise up and move on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/18/17 08:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shame on any of the parents who are teaching their kids that a commitment to a team means nothing.



You are a dumba$$.

Summer lax clubs only care about one thing. Your wallet. They could care less if you kid plays, has fun, develops, as long as the money keeps rolling in.

Who cares about commitment
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/19/17 02:46 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shame on any of the parents who are teaching their kids that a commitment to a team means nothing.



You are a dumba$$.

Summer lax clubs only care about one thing. Your wallet. They could care less if you kid plays, has fun, develops, as long as the money keeps rolling in.

Who cares about commitment
Exactly thats why NXT just went to two teams per grade. $$
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/19/17 01:48 PM
NXT is going to 2 teams per age?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/19/17 01:56 PM
NXT going to two teams per grade? At what grades?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/19/17 03:38 PM
NXT had 2 teams before when they had the Bandits in the fold and it did not work well and they went their separate ways. Then they had Rising Sons as a feeder 1 year and it did not work. Nothing on their sites talks about 2 teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/19/17 04:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT had 2 teams before when they had the Bandits in the fold and it did not work well and they went their separate ways. Then they had Rising Sons as a feeder 1 year and it did not work. Nothing on their sites talks about 2 teams.


So will their 2023 teams be a B and a C team now....or just play at those levels at their tournaments....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/19/17 07:18 PM
it's time for the club hopping process to begin. it will be interesting to see how the teams that had early July tryouts teams fair against those in late August to September. Don't wait or you may not have a team!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/19/17 09:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT had 2 teams before when they had the Bandits in the fold and it did not work well and they went their separate ways. Then they had Rising Sons as a feeder 1 year and it did not work. Nothing on their sites talks about 2 teams.

Their tryouts have Black and Silver
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/20/17 03:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT had 2 teams before when they had the Bandits in the fold and it did not work well and they went their separate ways. Then they had Rising Sons as a feeder 1 year and it did not work. Nothing on their sites talks about 2 teams.

Their tryouts have Black and Silver

The big question will be if they only do 2 teams in middle school or carry it all the way through starting with 2022
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/21/17 06:57 PM
NXT now adding Box only teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/21/17 08:30 PM
The quality of all that is NXT is suffering. Teams are bailing on spring league. Tournaments are pretty much an assbly line of 20 minute running half garbage. Coaching and development of their youth teams is preety poor. They have to make their millions on volume not quality.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/21/17 11:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The quality of all that is NXT is suffering. Teams are bailing on spring league. Tournaments are pretty much an assbly line of 20 minute running half garbage. Coaching and development of their youth teams is preety poor. They have to make their millions on volume not quality.




Or create a gimmick to push more teams into their events, this is F&cking ludicrous.

https://www.uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-pilots-youth-club-rankings-system
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/22/17 04:50 AM
No, you need to check your facts! He was there and coaching. Up and down the sidelines like some kind of psycho telling everyone. About the Sons tryouts. Guy is a dummy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/22/17 04:53 AM
We all know who posted this! Only 1 guy would be smart enough to misspell night in 2 separate notes. Nothing better than proving Tad is responding supporting his disgraceful program.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/22/17 04:54 AM
Always has been
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/22/17 05:11 AM
"Rise up and move on"? Spoken like, well we all know, the head Som himself. Heres how it went from what I know and what people have told me.
TD decided not to do HS teams
TD tried to merge with every program under the son, no one would do it.
TD met with NXT many times and then told all his kids to go there, told them how awesome it was going to be.
They forced a bunch of kids from NXT out as RS dumped their kids in.
Less than a year in and TD doesn't like how his boy is playing there and starts the propaganda machine again telling everyone how this is wasn't he thought it would be.
Best plan is to communicate with current team but of course he does his subversive planning again now ostracizing one of the biggest and best showcase and tourney organizers out there by taking all his kids back.
As usual he is now recruiting every kid under the sun again.
Oh yeah, he called NXT last weekend and asked to make a schedule change for Sunday and NXT said no. So he tries to steal their team and then asks for a favors. TD=not very smart=has 1 relationship at the college level=not liked=your kid will only be recruited if he's one of the best two on the team=doesn't understand basic defense=been caught cheating more than Tiger Woods
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/22/17 11:04 AM
Rising Sons 2020 has never won a meaningful game against any good team, never
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/22/17 12:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Rise up and move on"? Spoken like, well we all know, the head Som himself. Heres how it went from what I know and what people have told me.
TD decided not to do HS teams
TD tried to merge with every program under the son, no one would do it.
TD met with NXT many times and then told all his kids to go there, told them how awesome it was going to be.
They forced a bunch of kids from NXT out as RS dumped their kids in.
Less than a year in and TD doesn't like how his boy is playing there and starts the propaganda machine again telling everyone how this is wasn't he thought it would be.
Best plan is to communicate with current team but of course he does his subversive planning again now ostracizing one of the biggest and best showcase and tourney organizers out there by taking all his kids back.
As usual he is now recruiting every kid under the sun again.
Oh yeah, he called NXT last weekend and asked to make a schedule change for Sunday and NXT said no. So he tries to steal their team and then asks for a favors. TD=not very smart=has 1 relationship at the college level=not liked=your kid will only be recruited if he's one of the best two on the team=doesn't understand basic defense=been caught cheating more than Tiger Woods
I agree with Scott Lange
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/22/17 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Commitment to a club team is completely based on the relationship of a player and his coach (or coaches). If NXT wasn't able to keep up the standard that the 2020 Sons were familiar with, the players should rise up and move on.


Hey Tad - Keep this in mind when PSU drops a certain verbal for not keeping up the standard of a D1 prospect.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/23/17 01:16 AM
Any philly teams doing Lake Placid?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/23/17 01:17 AM
Looks like great comp today down in Maryland at Young Guns
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/23/17 01:18 AM
Tomahawks are playing out of their minds this Summer. Express seems to be hot and cold.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/23/17 11:09 AM
There are multiple bad eggs in that crowd. Let's just say this will be the 2nd club bridge burned by one of his cohorts. Pulled the same crap with the 2019 crowd before he realized he needed to hold his kid back.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/24/17 10:08 AM
Let's just say tha it was probably a pretty rough year for TD and his son. He has never had to earn any playing time on his own, because daddy has always handed it to him. Not to mention the fact that he had to actually pay to play at NXT. No wonder Tad is bring back the 2020 team. His son barely ever played for an entire year, that may be a pretty bitter pill to swallow.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/25/17 02:21 AM
Yet he is going to PSU, how do you explain that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/25/17 09:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yet he is going to PSU, how do you explain that?

Going to PSU and ever seeing the field there are two very different things. Not to mention, a "commitment" in 9th grade means absolutely nothing. Time will tell, but I will be very surprised if this particular commitment works out. I am also certain that after the year he has had, Tad is sweating it out. And to be honest many people I know have asked "what in the world did PSU see in that one?"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/25/17 12:40 PM
Easy. Early recruiting swing and a miss by Tambroni & Co.

#Laceup

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/25/17 01:22 PM
It is really sad when grown men (assumption) comment on 15 year old boys. It is one thing to bash an organization or school but kids really should be off limits.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/26/17 08:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yet he is going to PSU, how do you explain that?

Going to PSU and ever seeing the field there are two very different things. Not to mention, a "commitment" in 9th grade means absolutely nothing. Time will tell, but I will be very surprised if this particular commitment works out. I am also certain that after the year he has had, Tad is sweating it out. And to be honest many people I know have asked "what in the world did PSU see in that one?"

So TD is bashing to anyone who will listen that NXT is not worth it, horribly run, and do not know what they are doing and can't get coaches to show at the showcases for 2020. He can do it better and that is why he is doing RS in high school because he can handle the 2 years for recruiting. Now it all comes out to be a big ploy because NXT doesn't show favoritism of who you are and where you are going. You have to earn it. Oh and TD no coach cares about the 2020 class with the changes. All the recruiting sites have said all the coaches are spending their time with the 18's and 19's. Buyer beware at RS daddy's are still coaching on the staff's
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/27/17 01:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is really sad when grown men (assumption) comment on 15 year old boys. It is one thing to bash an organization or school but kids really should be off limits.



Haha no way Tad. Lick my taint.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/27/17 10:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yet he is going to PSU, how do you explain that?

Going to PSU and ever seeing the field there are two very different things. Not to mention, a "commitment" in 9th grade means absolutely nothing. Time will tell, but I will be very surprised if this particular commitment works out. I am also certain that after the year he has had, Tad is sweating it out. And to be honest many people I know have asked "what in the world did PSU see in that one?"

So TD is bashing to anyone who will listen that NXT is not worth it, horribly run, and do not know what they are doing and can't get coaches to show at the showcases for 2020. He can do it better and that is why he is doing RS in high school because he can handle the 2 years for recruiting. Now it all comes out to be a big ploy because NXT doesn't show favoritism of who you are and where you are going. You have to earn it. Oh and TD no coach cares about the 2020 class with the changes. All the recruiting sites have said all the coaches are spending their time with the 18's and 19's. Buyer beware at RS daddy's are still coaching on the staff's

Don't you know that TD Is the best coach out there, and he is perfectly capable of getting every single kid on "his" team recruited?!? No one can do it better,I have heard him say it on the sidelines this summer. Anyone that buys that is as nuts as him. He is in this for one kid and only one, and that one didn't see the field at NXT, as much as he is accustomed to, so he needs to get back to daddy ball.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/27/17 01:45 PM
I heard that moving forward all the sons will be required to practice with no less than ten (10) training laces at any given time. 1 on each wrist, 2 on each ankle, 2 on their stick and one woven carefully through each earhole on their helmet. Those that successfully practice with this set up with be able to advance to "Laced up Phase II" where a series of training laces will be woven together to create a Training Lace belt that will further their core muscle development.

Goalies will he lashed to a goal using no less than 48 training laces (a technique derived from the Gordon Bombay book for lacrosse coaches who didn't play lacrosse) and training laces will be tossed at them from various angles to work on toughness and eye-Training lace coordination.

D1 scholarships will be guaranteed for all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/27/17 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard that moving forward all the sons will be required to practice with no less than ten (10) training laces at any given time. 1 on each wrist, 2 on each ankle, 2 on their stick and one woven carefully through each earhole on their helmet. Those that successfully practice with this set up with be able to advance to "Laced up Phase II" where a series of training laces will be woven together to create a Training Lace belt that will further their core muscle development.

Goalies will he lashed to a goal using no less than 48 training laces (a technique derived from the Gordon Bombay book for lacrosse coaches who didn't play lacrosse) and training laces will be tossed at them from various angles to work on toughness and eye-Training lace coordination.

D1 scholarships will be guaranteed for all.


What a trend setter! I wonder if all of those training laces will be included in their tutition!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/27/17 07:40 PM
Lol classic
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/28/17 06:45 PM
So what is TD's end game with Sons now. A year ago did not want to do high school and could only field 3 middle school teams. Worked a deal with NXT to feed his kid there and others. Looked like they would be completely gone within 3 years. Now he changes course and wants to do high school because he did not like his kids playtime at NXT where he did not have daddy to play him the whole time. He is feeding a lot of BS to his parents now because in 2 years when his kid is done a lot of parents and kids will be left out when he decides to fold shop or broker another failed deal into someone else. it's like a broken record. if they can't field a team below 2023 this year they are finished. Hope your kid is not left hanging to dry in 2 years when you have no team and there are no spots anywhere else when all the high school teams are full. Total I am running a Club Lacrosse team for my kid only. definitely not someone I want my kids around. what happens when he sees no playtime at Malvern, going to get up and move to Episcopal. It's a smoke and mirrors game at Rising Sons.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/28/17 07:07 PM
we should just have Rising Sons thread to bash. It may be temporary, but you get a few good years of laughs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/28/17 07:10 PM
What program has the best and most qualified coaching across all levels, High School to Youth? Not talking a couple of teams, staffs from top to bottom.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/28/17 09:46 PM
Either HHH or Sons

Freedom = daddy buddy ball
Mesa=washed up high school players with a few decent ones sprinkled in.
Rough Riders daddy buddy ball
NXT nothing special

I think fusion has a good crew but they are not the psycho competitive clubs like above.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/28/17 10:54 PM
[quote=Anonymous]Either HHH or Sons

Freedom = daddy buddy ball
Mesa=washed up high school players with a few decent ones sprinkled in.
Rough Riders daddy buddy ball
NXT nothing special

I think fusion has a good crew but they are not the psycho competitive clubs like above.



Funny... but how do you support the crown jewel of daddy ball Sons?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/28/17 11:12 PM
Not saying i support them but with 3 boys playing from 2025 to 2019 i can tell you that every club has daddy ball issues. The truth is if your kid plays the same position as the coaches kid....get the [lacrosse] out of there unless you kid is a true hammer. Middie it might be okay but attack fogo lsm goalie you have no chance againt jr.

Everyone does it. It is human nature
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 07/28/17 11:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not saying i support them but with 3 boys playing from 2025 to 2019 i can tell you that every club has daddy ball issues. The truth is if your kid plays the same position as the coaches kid....get the [lacrosse] out of there unless you kid is a true hammer. Middie it might be okay but attack fogo lsm goalie you have no chance againt jr.

Everyone does it. It is human nature


Made me laugh but you should've post that... which is good advice because ripping all the others and not Sons gives you no credibility when they are loaded with dads.

All of the listed clubs have great coaches, including dads (some dads way more qualified than the non dads)

Find a club that your kid fits in, we are lucky there are plenty of great ones in the area.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/01/17 11:57 PM
Sons are trash, Tad is a very poor coach who never played or coached the game, they have a revolving door of "name" coaches but no one sticks, and they have just burned the bridge down with the biggest showcase event company out there.
Good news is that we all now have a lot more Tad to watch, it's like watching a car accident!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/02/17 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are trash, Tad is a very poor coach who never played or coached the game, they have a revolving door of "name" coaches but no one sticks, and they have just burned the bridge down with the biggest showcase event company out there.
Good news is that we all now have a lot more Tad to watch, it's like watching a car accident!

So what happens to Sons after the director's kid is gone (2020)?
Does it fold? Does he keep it rolling? Does someone else take it over?
I like the coaching he's bringing in but I'm leery about the organization folding.
I've talked to some parents who were there before and apparently the big names coach during the week but don't show to tourneys? Dads coach at tourneys?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/02/17 06:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are trash, Tad is a very poor coach who never played or coached the game, they have a revolving door of "name" coaches but no one sticks, and they have just burned the bridge down with the biggest showcase event company out there.
Good news is that we all now have a lot more Tad to watch, it's like watching a car accident!

So what happens to Sons after the director's kid is gone (2020)?
Does it fold? Does he keep it rolling? Does someone else take it over?
I like the coaching he's bringing in but I'm leery about the organization folding.
I've talked to some parents who were there before and apparently the big names coach during the week but don't show to tourneys? Dads coach at tourneys?


Don't even show to practice half of the time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/02/17 08:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are trash, Tad is a very poor coach who never played or coached the game, they have a revolving door of "name" coaches but no one sticks, and they have just burned the bridge down with the biggest showcase event company out there.
Good news is that we all now have a lot more Tad to watch, it's like watching a car accident!

So what happens to Sons after the director's kid is gone (2020)?
Does it fold? Does he keep it rolling? Does someone else take it over?
I like the coaching he's bringing in but I'm leery about the organization folding.
I've talked to some parents who were there before and apparently the big names coach during the week but don't show to tourneys? Dads coach at tourneys?


Don't even show to practice half of the time.

TD is going to leave all those 21,22, and 23 parents out to dry. He won't be able to find them a team in 2 years. No bridges left to burn.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/02/17 10:43 PM
Coaching is overrated. Give the kids training laces and watch them flourish #LaceUp
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/04/17 02:53 AM
Who wants to bet the training lace is being used in his tryouts with a table set up to sell it
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/06/17 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are trash, Tad is a very poor coach who never played or coached the game, they have a revolving door of "name" coaches but no one sticks, and they have just burned the bridge down with the biggest showcase event company out there.
Good news is that we all now have a lot more Tad to watch, it's like watching a car accident!

So what happens to Sons after the director's kid is gone (2020)?
Does it fold? Does he keep it rolling? Does someone else take it over?
I like the coaching he's bringing in but I'm leery about the organization folding.
I've talked to some parents who were there before and apparently the big names coach during the week but don't show to tourneys? Dads coach at tourneys?

This is 100% true, Tad coaches at the tournaments, he can't help himself and he has to make sure that his kid is in the entire game. He also truely believes he is the best coach out there so he sees nothing wrong with it. Anyone that goes with this option is fully aware of what they are getting into and clearly wants that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/07/17 01:09 PM
What is the obsession with the Sons???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/07/17 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the obsession with the Sons???


No obsession, most of these posts are probably from Tad. Last year right now, this board was lighting up with "isn't NXT the best thing since sliced bread", all from Tad himself. No one really cares about their daddy ball team or the king daddy himself. But, when he posts on here it makes him feel relevant.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/07/17 08:41 PM
When an [lacrosse] needlessly rips players from 2-3 local club teams so junior can get more playing time there is going to be some backlash.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/08/17 01:25 AM
Saw something that Fusion is creating teams in Md? Don't teams wait until they have done well in the area were they started before branching out?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/08/17 03:29 AM
I know they are starting up in Richmond, VA. Haven't heard anything about Md. Fusion should be very successful down in VA
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/08/17 02:21 PM
Why would they be? Or are you basing it purely on them making $$ as opposed to the level of talent they will put on the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/08/17 03:47 PM
I am familiar with the lacrosse scene down in Richmond. Currently NL Greyhounds are the only legitimate club for the area and they are an up an coming club whose 2022's played well at Milton's event in July. Fusion has put together a good coaching staff and will compete with NL Greyhounds for the private school kids from St. Christopher's, Collegiate, Benedictine and Cape Henry Collegiate High schools as well as the best public school kids. Also will get some kids from Norfolk/Va Beach area as well. I am in no way affiliated with Fusion and I am certainly not promoting their brand. Just making the observation that the Richmond lacrosse scene has talented players and only one high level club team currently. If Fusion is the second team in the area, they should be able to get good kids to develop.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/17 03:20 AM
I believe a Richmond Club beat Freedom 2022 at Hogan Summer Exposure in the AA Bracket and won the Championship so let's not look down on the lacrosse in the area when they beat the best Philly based 2022 team although it seems they no longer hold that title based on some observations here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/17 10:56 AM
I've been very impressed w Hype Night by NXT the past few nights.
The kids never stop moving. Bunch of reps. Coaches are engaged.
Pretty satisfied at this point.
Why does the NXT program not pull talent until high school? I'm impressed w the coaching for sure.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/17 02:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I've been very impressed w Hype Night by NXT the past few nights.
The kids never stop moving. Bunch of reps. Coaches are engaged.
Pretty satisfied at this point.
Why does the NXT program not pull talent until high school? I'm impressed w the coaching for sure.


I've been there the last two nights as well and have to say that I am extremely impressed also. This coming from a parent of another philly club
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/17 03:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I've been very impressed w Hype Night by NXT the past few nights.
The kids never stop moving. Bunch of reps. Coaches are engaged.
Pretty satisfied at this point.
Why does the NXT program not pull talent until high school? I'm impressed w the coaching for sure.


I've been there the last two nights as well and have to say that I am extremely impressed also. This coming from a parent of another philly club


NXT has always been this way. Organized and structured and teaching a team concept. Kids and parents get caught up in the wins and losses or we are "AA" team and forget about the development side because they assume winning equates to that. It's easy to take a bunch of Johnny "all-stars" and throw them on a team and win a bunch of games below 8th grade and requires no coaching. The questions is easy for a parent, do you see your kids improving each year as a player or are they doing things you have not seen from them before on the field? If so you are with the right club, if not find a new one.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/17 06:34 PM
nxt=mediocre teams
nxt=mediocre coaching
nxt=mediocre uniforms
nxt=really hip cool office building
all paid for by hype night!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/17 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
nxt=mediocre teams
nxt=mediocre coaching
nxt=mediocre uniforms
nxt=really hip cool office building
all paid for by hype night!!



Spot on there.....money making machine....lacrosse season is over give the kids a break. Parents please let them play another sport....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/09/17 11:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
nxt=mediocre teams
nxt=mediocre coaching
nxt=mediocre uniforms
nxt=really hip cool office building
all paid for by hype night!!



Spot on there.....money making machine....lacrosse season is over give the kids a break. Parents please let them play another sport....

OP here
That's lame
You're a parent, stroke the check or don't
My kid is loving it
Agree w the all star thing
I've seen some pretty bad coaches take credit for some pretty great play/players
All good
I like what I see...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/10/17 12:23 AM
Football season is here, and a welcome break from lacrosse!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/10/17 12:39 PM
BL parent here who's kid attended hype night. I have no problem with a business trying to make money if the product is worth it, which this was. It's a free market, if you don't want your kid playing lax in August don't send them to camp.

Club lax in philly isn't a 0 sum game. Just because NXT put on a solid camp doesn't mean other club programs don't/can't.

I saw more than just "mediocre" coaching, and who gives a [lacrosse] about uniforms.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/11/17 02:25 AM
What is going on, no Rising Sons tryouts tonight? Can't they get a team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/11/17 02:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is going on, no Rising Sons tryouts tonight? Can't they get a team?

Huh?
Please clairify, TD
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/11/17 03:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is going on, no Rising Sons tryouts tonight? Can't they get a team?

Ruh-oh TD's having some trouble fielding teams. Not that he cares since he only needs it to work for 2 years. Too bad for anyone that plays for 2021 and below
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/11/17 03:57 AM
Was there supposed to be Sons tryouts tonight?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/11/17 04:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is going on, no Rising Sons tryouts tonight? Can't they get a team?

Huh?
Please clairify, TD

I would guess it means the numbers were light, if you put the above with the comment on the 2024 page.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/11/17 04:19 PM
I'm a fraud - TD
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/11/17 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm a fraud - TD

you are correct
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/11/17 08:03 PM
Wasn't there supposed to be 2020 Rising Sons Try outs last night?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/11/17 08:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wasn't there supposed to be 2020 Rising Sons Try outs last night?

2020, 2024, and 2022 (makeup cancelled Monday)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/11/17 08:18 PM
if you bought a training lace and used it at the tryouts you got a spot on the Rising Sons #training lace
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/12/17 02:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wasn't there supposed to be 2020 Rising Sons Try outs last night?

2020, 2024, and 2022 (makeup cancelled Monday)

There was no 2020 tryout, it was advertised but it didn't happen
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/12/17 10:48 AM
I'm sure their coaches had more important things to do.

Get used to it Sons 2020 players and families. Letdown #1 already on the books.

Have fun sleeping in the bed you made.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/12/17 12:48 PM
There were over 50 at the '22 Sons tryout Thursday
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/12/17 09:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There were over 50 at the '22 Sons tryout Thursday

Look at TD trying to talk up the Son's numbers
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/12/17 11:08 PM
TD is a complete idiot. Not sure how he can look in the mirror and feel good. There is someone turning in his grave...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/12/17 11:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TD is a complete idiot. Not sure how he can look in the mirror and feel good. There is someone turning in his grave...


Wow this board has sank to a new low.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/13/17 02:29 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TD is a complete idiot. Not sure how he can look in the mirror and feel good. There is someone turning in his grave...


Wow this board has sank to a new low.

Why is this a "low"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/13/17 12:10 PM
Instead of Trump Derangement Syndrome we now have Sons Derangement Syndrome.. Where overbearing helicopter parents troll a lacrosse forum obsessed with the Sons Lacrosse Club because little Johnnie didn't make the team. Fret not, he will still make the high school team and still get a trophy, because everybody does these days.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/13/17 01:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Instead of Trump Derangement Syndrome we now have Sons Derangement Syndrome.. Where overbearing helicopter parents troll a lacrosse forum obsessed with the Sons Lacrosse Club because little Johnnie didn't make the team. Fret not, he will still make the high school team and still get a trophy, because everybody does these days.

The only helicopter parent involved in Sons is TD, the biggest one of all. Don't worry, daddy will coach the team, now you will play...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/13/17 07:40 PM
Don't worry little Johnnie. I sure showed those Sons who rejected you. I ripped them up and down on a lacrosse forum board. lmao...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Instead of Trump Derangement Syndrome we now have Sons Derangement Syndrome.. Where overbearing helicopter parents troll a lacrosse forum obsessed with the Sons Lacrosse Club because little Johnnie didn't make the team. Fret not, he will still make the high school team and still get a trophy, because everybody does these days.

The only helicopter parent involved in Sons is TD, the biggest one of all. Don't worry, daddy will coach the team, now you will play...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/13/17 10:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't worry little Johnnie. I sure showed those Sons who rejected you. I ripped them up and down on a lacrosse forum board. lmao...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Instead of Trump Derangement Syndrome we now have Sons Derangement Syndrome.. Where overbearing helicopter parents troll a lacrosse forum obsessed with the Sons Lacrosse Club because little Johnnie didn't make the team. Fret not, he will still make the high school team and still get a trophy, because everybody does these days.

The only helicopter parent involved in Sons is TD, the biggest one of all. Don't worry, daddy will coach the team, now you will play...


List Tad, you are a total jerk, not sure why anyone wants to be associated with you. Karma has a funny way of making sure all things are right in the universe. There are plenty of things in this life that are way, way more important than lacrosse and wins. Too bad you have lost sight of that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/14/17 01:25 PM
The bigger question is how bad is NXT that TD got all of his kids to come back to RS?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/14/17 07:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The bigger question is how bad is NXT that TD got all of his kids to come back to RS?


The even bigger question is how that is going to come back and bite him (and his kid) in the [lacrosse]. How many bridges has he burned over the years? I would think the NXT coaches are pretty well connected.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/14/17 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The bigger question is how bad is NXT that TD got all of his kids to come back to RS?


The even bigger question is how that is going to come back and bite him (and his kid) in the [lacrosse]. How many bridges has he burned over the years? I would think the NXT coaches are pretty well connected.

You're forgetting one thing about NXT: they're pros
This is what they do for a living
I'm sure they wouldn't hurt kids based on the actions of one adult
I respect that organization and think they're above that pettiness
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/14/17 10:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The bigger question is how bad is NXT that TD got all of his kids to come back to RS?


The even bigger question is how that is going to come back and bite him (and his kid) in the [lacrosse]. How many bridges has he burned over the years? I would think the NXT coaches are pretty well connected.

You're forgetting one thing about NXT: they're pros
This is what they do for a living
I'm sure they wouldn't hurt kids based on the actions of one adult
I respect that organization and think they're above that pettiness

The college coaches keep in touch with the Clubs. It will be Interesting how Penn St will handle it. I am sure they will want him to explain why they change clubs. Makes one wonder if the whole move is so TD can continue to have direct contact with the coaches since he runs a club and just isn't a parent on the side. NCAA recruiting issues.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/15/17 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The bigger question is how bad is NXT that TD got all of his kids to come back to RS?


The even bigger question is how that is going to come back and bite him (and his kid) in the [lacrosse]. How many bridges has he burned over the years? I would think the NXT coaches are pretty well connected.

You're forgetting one thing about NXT: they're pros
This is what they do for a living
I'm sure they wouldn't hurt kids based on the actions of one adult
I respect that organization and think they're above that pettiness

The college coaches keep in touch with the Clubs. It will be Interesting how Penn St will handle it. I am sure they will want him to explain why they change clubs. Makes one wonder if the whole move is so TD can continue to have direct contact with the coaches since he runs a club and just isn't a parent on the side. NCAA recruiting issues.


Unfortunately his son probably won't be good enough to play at MP, let alone PSU...I am sure there are some bright parents associated with the 2020 team not sure how they can all be making the same mistake...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/15/17 12:53 AM
Gotta think with a group that's played together for a few years that if 1-2 decide to go back to sons others follow simply because of friendships and to keep playing together. 4-5 of them were already committed so what do they care if Sons will be blacklisted out of the best events and have a lunatic steering the ship?

I have no dog in this fight as my kid plays for a rival club but I've always respected NXT's model and it seems to be working. Their youth teams have been second rate but there is no arguing their high school teams are as good as any in Philly and they've had no problem churning out D1 commits including some U19 / NCAA all American type players.

NXT gets what they deserve for dealing with this low life but by all accounts this looks like a "problem" TD manufactured to get his boys back together and not a reflection on NXT.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/15/17 02:02 AM
You guys have some serious delusions. Nobody really cares. 10 kids leave 10 more show up with cash in hand. College coaches could care less. Either you can play or you cant. Not to mention college athletic departments overlook far greater atrocities than switching teams. Think penn state, hurricanes, lawrence phillips.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/15/17 12:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The bigger question is how bad is NXT that TD got all of his kids to come back to RS?


The even bigger question is how that is going to come back and bite him (and his kid) in the [lacrosse]. How many bridges has he burned over the years? I would think the NXT coaches are pretty well connected.

You're forgetting one thing about NXT: they're pros
This is what they do for a living
I'm sure they wouldn't hurt kids based on the actions of one adult
I respect that organization and think they're above that pettiness

The college coaches keep in touch with the Clubs. It will be Interesting how Penn St will handle it. I am sure they will want him to explain why they change clubs. Makes one wonder if the whole move is so TD can continue to have direct contact with the coaches since he runs a club and just isn't a parent on the side. NCAA recruiting issues.

That would make sense (from tad's perspective) I know he was totally bent of our shape with the rule changes. He was super annoyed that his son would not have contact for years. Then there is also the matter of him not getting playing time like he was used to at NXT. So daddy had to swoop in. I have heard that Tad also talks to the Malvern coaches every single day, he has them on speed dial for that matter. I guess he is trying to make sure he sets play time there too. Interesting that he wasn't even on the varsity roster though.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/15/17 12:55 PM
Stop talking about my kid! I made him the focal point of this whole mess but it's not fair if you all do! - TD
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/15/17 01:36 PM
That's not fair. The kid has an unlimited supply of Training Laces. I'd be surprised if he doesn't jump right to the MLL with those kind of resources at his fingertips #LaceUp
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/15/17 06:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's not fair. The kid has an unlimited supply of Training Laces. I'd be surprised if he doesn't jump right to the MLL with those kind of resources at his fingertips #LaceUp


Ok I'll bite. What's the training laces joke about?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/16/17 12:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's not fair. The kid has an unlimited supply of Training Laces. I'd be surprised if he doesn't jump right to the MLL with those kind of resources at his fingertips #LaceUp


Ok I'll bite. What's the training laces joke about?


Tad is starting a company and he sells these training laces. He tends to obsess over things and use the same hashtag on everything he does. For example he will post a picture of his daughter and then put #beaSon. Well now his new one is #laceup
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/17/17 01:18 PM
Looks like NXT dropped it's Chicago Clubs. Gone from the their site. The silence is the same as when they dropped Bandits a few years back.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/17/17 03:06 PM
Who cares?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/23/17 05:58 PM
Imagine what a program would be if TD and Gonzo combined forces?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/17 03:19 AM
They could be called "Gonzo and Sons"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/17 03:30 AM
Dukes and Twist Lacrosse are now merging and are gonna practice out of Cabrini. Not sure how this is going to work out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/17 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dukes and Twist Lacrosse are now merging and are gonna practice out of Cabrini. Not sure how this is going to work out.

Has any Dukes merger worked yet, let go through then
Skyhawks+Dukes North=Out of Business
Team Philadelphia+Dukes South=Out of Business
Blue Moutain+Little Dukes BM=Out of Business

Where will twist end up?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/17 05:15 PM
Hopefully the Twist/Dukes merger will work out for the kids sake. My son was a Dukes South player and the last season was an unorganized, frustrating, and a wasted summer season of lacrosse. Good luck!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/24/17 10:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dukes and Twist Lacrosse are now merging and are gonna practice out of Cabrini. Not sure how this is going to work out.

Has any Dukes merger worked yet, let go through then
Skyhawks+Dukes North=Out of Business
Team Philadelphia+Dukes South=Out of Business
Blue Moutain+Little Dukes BM=Out of Business

Where will twist end up?


Any ideas why those mergers failed? Seems like the Dukes/Twist merger is headed for the same fate. Dukes/Twist and Dukes Main Line are gonna be practicing 5 miles from each other. Doesn't make much sense to me
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 08/25/17 12:39 PM
My personal opinion and in all candor this is without data to support. These mergers are failing because the fundamentals are not there for the entities that are joining Dukes. All of the aforementioned clubs are struggling independently with rosters, financials, and brand. The Dukes mergers are lifelines from a once venerable brand which has lost some of its luster. Dukes has a lot more competition than it once did and we as consumers have choices. At one time if you were an elite high school player Dukes was the only option and frankly the best. Now a player can go to Mesa, Big 4/Triple H, NXT, and the list goes on. It is attrition, too many clubs and not enough elite players thus the product gets diluted.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/05/17 01:44 PM
Did NXT fold their 2020 team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/05/17 06:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did NXT fold their 2020 team?


Given that they had tryouts for the few opens spots on the 2020 team, I'm pretty sure the answer is no. NXT 2020 appears to be alive and well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/05/17 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did NXT fold their 2020 team?


Given that they had tryouts for the few opens spots on the 2020 team, I'm pretty sure the answer is no. NXT 2020 appears to be alive and well.

They have not announced any of their rosters yet. In previous years they made a big deal about it and had it out after a week. Even the kids they added to the 2018 and 2019 teams last year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/05/17 06:37 PM
No
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/05/17 07:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did NXT fold their 2020 team?


Given that they had tryouts for the few opens spots on the 2020 team, I'm pretty sure the answer is no. NXT 2020 appears to be alive and well.

They have not announced any of their rosters yet. In previous years they made a big deal about it and had it out after a week. Even the kids they added to the 2018 and 2019 teams last year.


They doubled the size of their club this year with multiple teams for each youth grad year. No surprise that they are behind on this stuff.
Posted By: Laxadelphia Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/25/17 04:48 PM
Anyone have thoughts on this:

uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-pilots-youth-club-rankings-system
uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-clarifies-selection-criteria-for-2018-nationals

What I don't understand is how does any team play in one of these tournaments unless they have converted from grade based to age based? NXT themselves is only going age based at their youngest level.

https://nxtlacrosse.com/blog/entry/...-to-adopt-us-lacrosse-age-segmentation-p

If my sons club has not adopted the age segmentation at any level, can we not participate in these tournaments? If we can, then I don't see how it changes anything other than driving more teams to these US Lacrosse compliant tournaments so that teams can be ranked and participate in the US Lacrosse Nationals (which appear to follow a U based format which then could preclude kids on qualifying teams?

To add, I support the age segmentation, I just don't see the path here.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/26/17 07:57 PM
Originally Posted by Laxadelphia
Anyone have thoughts on this:

uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-pilots-youth-club-rankings-system
uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-clarifies-selection-criteria-for-2018-nationals

What I don't understand is how does any team play in one of these tournaments unless they have converted from grade based to age based? NXT themselves is only going age based at their youngest level.

https://nxtlacrosse.com/blog/entry/...-to-adopt-us-lacrosse-age-segmentation-p

If my sons club has not adopted the age segmentation at any level, can we not participate in these tournaments? If we can, then I don't see how it changes anything other than driving more teams to these US Lacrosse compliant tournaments so that teams can be ranked and participate in the US Lacrosse Nationals (which appear to follow a U based format which then could preclude kids on qualifying teams?

To add, I support the age segmentation, I just don't see the path here.


US Lacrosse will have egg on its face if it does not hold to its age requirements in its National Tournament. Can't preach one thing and do something different especially if you are considered the governing body
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 09/27/17 12:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Laxadelphia
Anyone have thoughts on this:

uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-pilots-youth-club-rankings-system
uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-clarifies-selection-criteria-for-2018-nationals

What I don't understand is how does any team play in one of these tournaments unless they have converted from grade based to age based? NXT themselves is only going age based at their youngest level.

https://nxtlacrosse.com/blog/entry/...-to-adopt-us-lacrosse-age-segmentation-p

If my sons club has not adopted the age segmentation at any level, can we not participate in these tournaments? If we can, then I don't see how it changes anything other than driving more teams to these US Lacrosse compliant tournaments so that teams can be ranked and participate in the US Lacrosse Nationals (which appear to follow a U based format which then could preclude kids on qualifying teams?

To add, I support the age segmentation, I just don't see the path here.


US Lacrosse will have egg on its face if it does not hold to its age requirements in its National Tournament. Can't preach one thing and do something different especially if you are considered the governing body


Ok, so as an example. NXT puts its 2023 team in a bunch of it's tournaments. They have 4 kids with summer birthdays. They garner enough points to make the national tournament. What happens? They can't play because their birthday isn't after the 9/1 cutoff?

I assume they won't keep those kids from playing in the qualifying tournaments, so how do they exclude them from the national?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/16/17 01:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Laxadelphia
Anyone have thoughts on this:

uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-pilots-youth-club-rankings-system
uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-clarifies-selection-criteria-for-2018-nationals

What I don't understand is how does any team play in one of these tournaments unless they have converted from grade based to age based? NXT themselves is only going age based at their youngest level.

https://nxtlacrosse.com/blog/entry/...-to-adopt-us-lacrosse-age-segmentation-p

If my sons club has not adopted the age segmentation at any level, can we not participate in these tournaments? If we can, then I don't see how it changes anything other than driving more teams to these US Lacrosse compliant tournaments so that teams can be ranked and participate in the US Lacrosse Nationals (which appear to follow a U based format which then could preclude kids on qualifying teams?

To add, I support the age segmentation, I just don't see the path here.


US Lacrosse will have egg on its face if it does not hold to its age requirements in its National Tournament. Can't preach one thing and do something different especially if you are considered the governing body


Ok, so as an example. NXT puts its 2023 team in a bunch of it's tournaments. They have 4 kids with summer birthdays. They garner enough points to make the national tournament. What happens? They can't play because their birthday isn't after the 9/1 cutoff?

I assume they won't keep those kids from playing in the qualifying tournaments, so how do they exclude them from the national?


Did Maryland or Pennsylvania win more games at the Roughrider Battle at the Border today?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/16/17 10:59 AM
I think The PA Roughriders won more games than MD Roughriders
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/16/17 12:22 PM
I think that both franchises are struggling to stay above the elite line.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/16/17 04:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that both franchises are struggling to stay above the elite line.


PA wins: 2026, 2025, 2024, 2020
MD wins: 2022, 2021

No 2023 game due to no MD 2023 Roughrider team.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/16/17 04:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that both franchises are struggling to stay above the elite line.


PA wins: 2026, 2025, 2024, 2020
MD wins: 2022, 2021

No 2023 game due to no MD 2023 Roughrider team.



MD RR2022 team is a very strong.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/16/17 06:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that both franchises are struggling to stay above the elite line.


PA wins: 2026, 2025, 2024, 2020
MD wins: 2022, 2021

No 2023 game due to no MD 2023 Roughrider team.


MD definitely won 2024 , 2026 was either a tie or MD win. 2020 PA looked very good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/17/17 02:05 AM
2025 Pa and 2026 Pa won
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/17/17 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Laxadelphia
Anyone have thoughts on this:

uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-pilots-youth-club-rankings-system
uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-clarifies-selection-criteria-for-2018-nationals

What I don't understand is how does any team play in one of these tournaments unless they have converted from grade based to age based? NXT themselves is only going age based at their youngest level.

https://nxtlacrosse.com/blog/entry/...-to-adopt-us-lacrosse-age-segmentation-p

If my sons club has not adopted the age segmentation at any level, can we not participate in these tournaments? If we can, then I don't see how it changes anything other than driving more teams to these US Lacrosse compliant tournaments so that teams can be ranked and participate in the US Lacrosse Nationals (which appear to follow a U based format which then could preclude kids on qualifying teams?

To add, I support the age segmentation, I just don't see the path here.


US Lacrosse will have egg on its face if it does not hold to its age requirements in its National Tournament. Can't preach one thing and do something different especially if you are considered the governing body


Ok, so as an example. NXT puts its 2023 team in a bunch of it's tournaments. They have 4 kids with summer birthdays. They garner enough points to make the national tournament. What happens? They can't play because their birthday isn't after the 9/1 cutoff?

I assume they won't keep those kids from playing in the qualifying tournaments, so how do they exclude them from the national? They already didn't adhere to the age guidelines with the girls side. NXT had Summer birthdays playing. US Lacrosse said they gave NXT 5 passes but didn't tell any of the other clubs those rules.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/17/17 03:07 PM
US Lacrosse is grandfathering in existing teams. The only teams that will have to adhere to the strict guidelines of September 1st will be the 2027 group. That group has to be birthday compliant. The other teams older than them do NOT have to be compliant and are grandfathered. Bit of a weak methodology and my vote would have been to go cold-turkey like soccer did but the reality is that the landscape of competitive lacrosse is controlled more by the clubs than the governing body. Personally don't even see this really gaining a foothold as the Elite Clubs are setting up their own Tournaments and so they don't even really need US Lacrosse and can thumb their noses at the big tournament players. I think if you ask most elite clubs who holds the better tournaments it would be NLF and they don't need to change. US Lacrosse....Eunuchs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/17/17 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Laxadelphia
Anyone have thoughts on this:

uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-pilots-youth-club-rankings-system
uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-clarifies-selection-criteria-for-2018-nationals

What I don't understand is how does any team play in one of these tournaments unless they have converted from grade based to age based? NXT themselves is only going age based at their youngest level.

https://nxtlacrosse.com/blog/entry/...-to-adopt-us-lacrosse-age-segmentation-p

If my sons club has not adopted the age segmentation at any level, can we not participate in these tournaments? If we can, then I don't see how it changes anything other than driving more teams to these US Lacrosse compliant tournaments so that teams can be ranked and participate in the US Lacrosse Nationals (which appear to follow a U based format which then could preclude kids on qualifying teams?

To add, I support the age segmentation, I just don't see the path here.


US Lacrosse will have egg on its face if it does not hold to its age requirements in its National Tournament. Can't preach one thing and do something different especially if you are considered the governing body


Ok, so as an example. NXT puts its 2023 team in a bunch of it's tournaments. They have 4 kids with summer birthdays. They garner enough points to make the national tournament. What happens? They can't play because their birthday isn't after the 9/1 cutoff?

I assume they won't keep those kids from playing in the qualifying tournaments, so how do they exclude them from the national? They already didn't adhere to the age guidelines with the girls side. NXT had Summer birthdays playing. US Lacrosse said they gave NXT 5 passes but didn't tell any of the other clubs those rules.


9/1 is a dumb cutoff for boys. Should be 7/1 or 8/1. Most people with late summer boys held them, why age-based will never work and US Lacrosse will continue to give passes
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 10/17/17 03:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that both franchises are struggling to stay above the elite line.


PA wins: 2026, 2025, 2024, 2020
MD wins: 2022, 2021

No 2023 game due to no MD 2023 Roughrider team.


MD definitely won 2024 , 2026 was either a tie or MD win. 2020 PA looked very good.


I just saw Roughriders are adding a Richmond club. It could be a 3 way battle next year. MD vs PA vs VA.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 12/01/17 08:31 PM
Box Season is upon us. How did Penn Lax tryouts go? NXT tryouts tonight and tomorrow
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 12/02/17 02:54 AM
Penn Lax went well. Good numbers. NXT will be NXT kids in box gear nothing more nothing less.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 12/03/17 11:27 PM
NXT has the better coaching staff by far.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 12/03/17 11:41 PM
Not what I heard - PennLax got a few good offense players but weaker transition and D. Neither NXT or PennLax are going to compete with 91, etc in box at this level. Not even sure either beats the Jr Wings. 2022 seems to be a bad year in Philly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 12/03/17 11:44 PM
Saw NXT play at the PILC last year at 2021 and 2022 and they got smacked. 91 MD won the 2022 bracket beeting Eagle/Tristate and Annapolis Hawks in the playoffs.

Trisate beat PennLax at the 2021 level.

Saw NXT 2022 get beat by 10 by Tristate and 8 or so by Freedom.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 12/04/17 12:52 AM
That’s a stretch PennLax is loaded with current and former NLL players as well
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 12/08/17 04:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not what I heard - PennLax got a few good offense players but weaker transition and D. Neither NXT or PennLax are going to compete with 91, etc in box at this level. Not even sure either beats the Jr Wings. 2022 seems to be a bad year in Philly.

The Fusion/Penn Lax guys used to be able to say they weren't daddy ball. Now it's not the case as TS took his kid and buddies for the 22/23 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 12/08/17 06:03 PM
What could go wrong with TS involved?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not what I heard - PennLax got a few good offense players but weaker transition and D. Neither NXT or PennLax are going to compete with 91, etc in box at this level. Not even sure either beats the Jr Wings. 2022 seems to be a bad year in Philly.

The Fusion/Penn Lax guys used to be able to say they weren't daddy ball. Now it's not the case as TS took his kid and buddies for the 22/23 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 12/10/17 10:50 AM
Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is a disgrace. Unprofessional, Unsafe, NO evaluation at all. 4 inches of snow. Can't see white balls, feet and hands frost bitten and right next door to an indoor facility. G just too cheap to pay or just too stupid and totally unprepared
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 01/15/18 02:54 AM
Fusion Winter Classic was a pretty good tournament, but they really need to train the refs to consistently call the games the same.

Some refs call it like a U7 game and 80% of the game is with one team or the other in man down. No one wants to play like that.

Other games only 1 or 2 calls were made.

Just be consistent from the first game on with all the refs and no one will complain.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/16/18 02:43 PM
Any predictions for this weekend?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/Publ...rnament=h2018020115085402020f9b0c09bd749

8th grade AA looks absolutely stacked
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/16/18 03:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any predictions for this weekend?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/Publ...rnament=h2018020115085402020f9b0c09bd749

8th grade AA looks absolutely stacked

where is 7th grade bl aa?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/16/18 04:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any predictions for this weekend?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/Publ...rnament=h2018020115085402020f9b0c09bd749

8th grade AA looks absolutely stacked

where is 7th grade bl aa?


Game times are a joke for the younger ages. 6:45 & 7:45 on Monday night. Should have put it over two weekends or gone Sat & Sun
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/16/18 07:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any predictions for this weekend?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/Publ...rnament=h2018020115085402020f9b0c09bd749

8th grade AA looks absolutely stacked

where is 7th grade bl aa?


Game times are a joke for the younger ages. 6:45 & 7:45 on Monday night. Should have put it over two weekends or gone Sat & Sun


Teams know how late the times go before they sign up. If it didn't work for them they wouldn't sign up
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/16/18 08:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any predictions for this weekend?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/Publ...rnament=h2018020115085402020f9b0c09bd749

8th grade AA looks absolutely stacked

where is 7th grade bl aa?


They've had a hard time fielding a team this winter. Not sure how that's going to translate into the summer. I doubt it will change much for them. They'll still be tops.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/16/18 08:42 PM
BL kids are out dominating other sports this winter yup real multi sport athletes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/20/18 04:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL kids are out dominating other sports this winter yup real multi sport athletes.




Who cares??? This is a lacrosse blog... get a clue.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/20/18 08:38 PM
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/20/18 10:21 PM
After tying BBL in pool play...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/18 01:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any predictions for this weekend?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/Publ...rnament=h2018020115085402020f9b0c09bd749

8th grade AA looks absolutely stacked


The 8th grade bracket was a brutal set of games. Tons of great teams just pounding on each other. 91 took it home but BBL, Igloo, etc all played well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/18 02:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/18 04:28 PM
Agreed. BBL had some big kids who were a handful in box but might struggle running up and down a field all day...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/18 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Very good points. How about the 91MD 24s.. kids had more hair on their legs than some of the BL dads.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/18 07:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Very good points. How about the 91MD 24s.. kids had more hair on their legs than some of the BL dads.

Yawn. Will we ever get past the fact that some kids have genes that make them bigger and hairier sooner? And the hold back debate is tired as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/18 07:50 PM
Funny because the BL Zeus team has plastered the team page with box pictures.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/21/18 09:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Could not agree more, box is a completely different game with a skill set that does not just transfer over from the field. While I was originally skeptical of the benefits of box, the more my son has played (his club does focus on box quite a bit), I have really come around to the benefits. Although not great for kids that normally play with poles, the transition aspect is great for middies, the tempo is great for working on quick passing and the game really instills defensive skills for both middies and attackmen. If anybody does not see the benefits of box, just watch a replay of the Albany - Syracuse game from last weekend, Tehoka Nanticoke put on a clinic, 4 of his 5 goals were pure box skills. Teams like BL doing box for fun is simply a waste of time, the commitment is well worth it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/18 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Could not agree more, box is a completely different game with a skill set that does not just transfer over from the field. While I was originally skeptical of the benefits of box, the more my son has played (his club does focus on box quite a bit), I have really come around to the benefits. Although not great for kids that normally play with poles, the transition aspect is great for middies, the tempo is great for working on quick passing and the game really instills defensive skills for both middies and attackmen. If anybody does not see the benefits of box, just watch a replay of the Albany - Syracuse game from last weekend, Tehoka Nanticoke put on a clinic, 4 of his 5 goals were pure box skills. Teams like BL doing box for fun is simply a waste of time, the commitment is well worth it.


It helps that Nanticoke is 240lbs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/18 04:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Could not agree more, box is a completely different game with a skill set that does not just transfer over from the field. While I was originally skeptical of the benefits of box, the more my son has played (his club does focus on box quite a bit), I have really come around to the benefits. Although not great for kids that normally play with poles, the transition aspect is great for middies, the tempo is great for working on quick passing and the game really instills defensive skills for both middies and attackmen. If anybody does not see the benefits of box, just watch a replay of the Albany - Syracuse game from last weekend, Tehoka Nanticoke put on a clinic, 4 of his 5 goals were pure box skills. Teams like BL doing box for fun is simply a waste of time, the commitment is well worth it.


It helps that Nanticoke is 240lbs


It certainly does not hurt, especially when driving to the net, but watch his stick skills when he is close to the net, a lot of that is box influenced.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/18 05:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Could not agree more, box is a completely different game with a skill set that does not just transfer over from the field. While I was originally skeptical of the benefits of box, the more my son has played (his club does focus on box quite a bit), I have really come around to the benefits. Although not great for kids that normally play with poles, the transition aspect is great for middies, the tempo is great for working on quick passing and the game really instills defensive skills for both middies and attackmen. If anybody does not see the benefits of box, just watch a replay of the Albany - Syracuse game from last weekend, Tehoka Nanticoke put on a clinic, 4 of his 5 goals were pure box skills. Teams like BL doing box for fun is simply a waste of time, the commitment is well worth it.


It helps that Nanticoke is 240lbs

Come on. I liked you Philly people but this is really lame. Box is a different game. Field players with no box IQ are a recipe for for failure in box. It takes time. One box player on a team won't win games. It's a different skill set. BL is an excellent team. Kudos to them for having their kids play box.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/18 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Could not agree more, box is a completely different game with a skill set that does not just transfer over from the field. While I was originally skeptical of the benefits of box, the more my son has played (his club does focus on box quite a bit), I have really come around to the benefits. Although not great for kids that normally play with poles, the transition aspect is great for middies, the tempo is great for working on quick passing and the game really instills defensive skills for both middies and attackmen. If anybody does not see the benefits of box, just watch a replay of the Albany - Syracuse game from last weekend, Tehoka Nanticoke put on a clinic, 4 of his 5 goals were pure box skills. Teams like BL doing box for fun is simply a waste of time, the commitment is well worth it.


It helps that Nanticoke is 240lbs

That's lame. How about Miles Thompson. Gary Gait. John Grant Jr. ...... give me a break. Chris Cloutier. Nanticoke is a Blackbelt.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/18 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny because the BL Zeus team has plastered the team page with box pictures.


I think you are reading too much into your recreational web browsing. I though this was odd since my kid plays for the team. I think there was some mix up on whomever is managing the website. That isn't even the Zeus team under Zeus that is their 2024 Team and it is the same box picture multiple times.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/18 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Could not agree more, box is a completely different game with a skill set that does not just transfer over from the field. While I was originally skeptical of the benefits of box, the more my son has played (his club does focus on box quite a bit), I have really come around to the benefits. Although not great for kids that normally play with poles, the transition aspect is great for middies, the tempo is great for working on quick passing and the game really instills defensive skills for both middies and attackmen. If anybody does not see the benefits of box, just watch a replay of the Albany - Syracuse game from last weekend, Tehoka Nanticoke put on a clinic, 4 of his 5 goals were pure box skills. Teams like BL doing box for fun is simply a waste of time, the commitment is well worth it.


It helps that Nanticoke is 240lbs

Come on. I liked you Philly people but this is really lame. Box is a different game. Field players with no box IQ are a recipe for for failure in box. It takes time. One box player on a team won't win games. It's a different skill set. BL is an excellent team. Kudos to them for having their kids play box.


I posted the original statement about BL box program. I didn't mean to imply that we were wasting our time simply because we weren't ALL IN on the box thing and not winning tournaments. BL has been practicing every Sunday in a box format with box goals. Yes I believe these Sunday Sessions have made my son better' however, in my personal estimation if BL wants to compete with these other clubs in the AA brackets of box tournaments they are going to have to do more as a club. If at the end of they day they decide not to they will not be able to be competitive; however, I don't think it is a waste of time. For example spending all winter shooting at tiny 4x4 goals is only going to pay dividends when they get outside and shoot on 6x6 nets. No time spent on skills is ever a waste. Box game is a great game but very ugly to watch if played with a field mentality and that is how we as a club play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/18 06:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]BL kids are out dominating other sports this winter yup real multi sport athletes.




Yup you are right. Our Kennett Basketball team which is primarily Brotherly Love players went up and smacked another local school in basketball I think it was 20-1 at halftime, an this was a big school program. When is the last time you saw a basketball team score 1 point by half. While the other members of the Zeus team are putting kids on their back all over the tri-state area because two of the best wresters in the state play on Zeus. Yuck it up against kids for doing something other than lacrosse. Don't worry they will back in the Spring to put a whooping on your kids teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/18 07:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]BL kids are out dominating other sports this winter yup real multi sport athletes.




Yup you are right. Our Kennett Basketball team which is primarily Brotherly Love players went up and smacked another local school in basketball I think it was 20-1 at halftime, an this was a big school program. When is the last time you saw a basketball team score 1 point by half. While the other members of the Zeus team are putting kids on their back all over the tri-state area because two of the best wresters in the state play on Zeus. Yuck it up against kids for doing something other than lacrosse. Don't worry they will back in the Spring to put a whooping on your kids teams.[/quo

What's a "wresters"? you might want to whoop up on your books!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/18 08:59 PM
Only a dork would dwell on typos.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/18 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Only a dork would dwell on typos.


As opposed to a stupid post about a local basketball team on a lacrosse forum....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/18 10:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]BL kids are out dominating other sports this winter yup real multi sport athletes.




Yup you are right. Our Kennett Basketball team which is primarily Brotherly Love players went up and smacked another local school in basketball I think it was 20-1 at halftime, an this was a big school program. When is the last time you saw a basketball team score 1 point by half. While the other members of the Zeus team are putting kids on their back all over the tri-state area because two of the best wresters in the state play on Zeus. Yuck it up against kids for doing something other than lacrosse. Don't worry they will back in the Spring to put a whooping on your kids teams.


I thought they were all at the Olympics.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/18 11:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Only a dork would dwell on typos.


As opposed to a stupid post about a local basketball team on a lacrosse forum....


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Only a dork would dwell on typos.


As opposed to a stupid post about a local basketball team on a lacrosse forum....


Get with the program nimrod I was responding to the post below:

BL kids are out dominating other sports this winter yup real multi sport athletes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/22/18 11:25 PM
We decided to skip. Would rather whup on your pitiful team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/23/18 01:36 AM
Are you seriously putting in a plug for Kennet middle school basketball on a lacrosse website, get a life and stop living through your kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/23/18 03:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]BL kids are out dominating other sports this winter yup real multi sport athletes.




Yup you are right. Our Kennett Basketball team which is primarily Brotherly Love players went up and smacked another local school in basketball I think it was 20-1 at halftime, an this was a big school program. When is the last time you saw a basketball team score 1 point by half. While the other members of the Zeus team are putting kids on their back all over the tri-state area because two of the best wresters in the state play on Zeus. Yuck it up against kids for doing something other than lacrosse. Don't worry they will back in the Spring to put a whooping on your kids teams.


Again, I say who cares???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/23/18 04:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you seriously putting in a plug for Kennet middle school basketball on a lacrosse website, get a life and stop living through your kid.


This is a kid posting.. No adult would post about a middle basketball team when the high school team has only won 4 games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/23/18 07:15 PM
Their lacrosse team is just as bad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/24/18 02:52 AM
Not for long about to steamroll ya'll....Just like Avon Grove....they are further out in the boondocks than Kennett and they whupped on mighty Conestoga and a lot of other teams along the way. Fear the "K"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/25/18 06:49 AM
Out of all of the "BL are gods!" posts, this series is near, if not at, the top of the list.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/25/18 03:29 PM
I would say 80% of the post are made by non BL people to start something. The Mesa’s, Dukes and Freedoms don’t want upstart programs succeeding and taking $ from there pockets.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 02/27/18 07:35 PM
looks like a real solid turnout. Glad to see this league take off this year

https://www.tourneymachine.com/Publ...rnament=h2018013016090849091b16c2e109f4a
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/05/18 11:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would say 80% of the post are made by non BL people to start something. The Mesa’s, Dukes and Freedoms don’t want upstart programs succeeding and taking $ from there pockets.

Hate to burst your bubble but Freedom is a non-profit club. And 80% of the posts regarding anything at the 22, 23 and 24 level and how amazing BL is and how bad/whatever other clubs are come from the same person and we all know who you are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/05/18 01:53 PM
Don't have a dog in this fight just merely pointing out that NON Profit doesn't mean that you'all aren't making money doing this youth lacrosse stuff. It simply means you are under tax exempt. Whoever is running Freedom is making some cash don't be naive.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/05/18 03:37 PM
I would agree the NON Profit thing is the biggest marketing misperception out there. There are plenty of non profits out there doing good things don't get me wrong but look up what the CEO of Red Cross, United Way, UNICEF make and I think it will shed some light.

Look at it this way each. Lets say this is the breakdown:

$1,800/Annually in Fees for Club PER kid
20 Kids Per Team = 40 Kids Usually an A and B Team at each level
4th grade to 10th grade = 7 grades thus 14 Teams between A and B
14 Teams X 20 Kids = 280 kids
280 X $1,800 = $504,000 PER YEAR

Don't have any idea about the expense side of things but if you could run a side business grossing half a million a year that is a pretty good gig. I am all for it you provide a service that is needed...but don't give me the we don't make money baloney.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/05/18 04:54 PM
My kid plays for Freedom don't really know the guys that own it but do know the one founder as he coaches....just bought one of the big Mercedes SUVs ...hmmm.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/05/18 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My kid plays for Freedom don't really know the guys that own it but do know the one founder as he coaches....just bought one of the big Mercedes SUVs ...hmmm.



That's funny...You just posted the last 3 messages saying you don't have a dog in the fight and then posted your kid plays for Freedom. Which is it Tommy M? BTW get a job to occupy your time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/05/18 07:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My kid plays for Freedom don't really know the guys that own it but do know the one founder as he coaches....just bought one of the big Mercedes SUVs ...hmmm.



That's funny...You just posted the last 3 messages saying you don't have a dog in the fight and then posted your kid plays for Freedom. Which is it Tommy M? BTW get a job to occupy your time.


Tommy M is the guy who runs BOTC by the way... not this guys name
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/05/18 09:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My kid plays for Freedom don't really know the guys that own it but do know the one founder as he coaches....just bought one of the big Mercedes SUVs ...hmmm.



That's funny...You just posted the last 3 messages saying you don't have a dog in the fight and then posted your kid plays for Freedom. Which is it Tommy M? BTW get a job to occupy your time.


Tommy M is the guy who runs BOTC by the way... not this guys name

Tommy? Tommy Muldonado? Tommy Muldonado from Our Lady of The Perpetually Wet Prep., Tommy? I can't believe it!!! How the heck are ya?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/08/18 12:20 AM
So if they are non-profit were does all the $ go? They charge @2k per kid and have no paid coaches...so figure 16 paying kids per team 32k is a lot to spend on fields...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/08/18 12:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So if they are non-profit were does all the $ go? They charge @2k per kid and have no paid coaches...so figure 16 paying kids per team 32k is a lot to spend on fields...

I believe that we paid $1600 and that includes everything for the year. So all fall practices/tournaments, winter indoor practices, spring NXT League, summer practices/tournaments. And my son has dedicated coaches who are at all of those events.

With fall field rentals/tournament fees, indoor space rental, NXT League fees, summer field rentals/tournaments fees. That feels to me like it would eat up close to, if not all, of the $25,600 based upon your 16 person roster.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/08/18 03:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So if they are non-profit were does all the $ go? They charge @2k per kid and have no paid coaches...so figure 16 paying kids per team 32k is a lot to spend on fields...

I believe that we paid $1600 and that includes everything for the year. So all fall practices/tournaments, winter indoor practices, spring NXT League, summer practices/tournaments. And my son has dedicated coaches who are at all of those events.

With fall field rentals/tournament fees, indoor space rental, NXT League fees, summer field rentals/tournaments fees. That feels to me like it would eat up close to, if not all, of the $25,600 based upon your 16 person roster.


Just an FYI, some HS tournaments cost $600 or more per kid to enter. I would also assume that the club has to pay some type of insurance fees? So paying 1600-3000 per year is not over priced at all. That also includes the cost of uniforms.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/15/18 02:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So if they are non-profit were does all the $ go? They charge @2k per kid and have no paid coaches...so figure 16 paying kids per team 32k is a lot to spend on fields...

I believe that we paid $1600 and that includes everything for the year. So all fall practices/tournaments, winter indoor practices, spring NXT League, summer practices/tournaments. And my son has dedicated coaches who are at all of those events.

With fall field rentals/tournament fees, indoor space rental, NXT League fees, summer field rentals/tournaments fees. That feels to me like it would eat up close to, if not all, of the $25,600 based upon your 16 person roster.


Just an FYI, some HS tournaments cost $600 or more per kid to enter. I would also assume that the club has to pay some type of insurance fees? So paying 1600-3000 per year is not over priced at all. That also includes the cost of uniforms.

There are no tournaments charging anything close to $600 per kid that would be over 12K per team. What you are referring to is a showcase which is an individual event and typically not covered by club dues. Typical costs for a club included tournament fee is about 150$ per kid max and some are much lower.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/17/18 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So if they are non-profit were does all the $ go? They charge @2k per kid and have no paid coaches...so figure 16 paying kids per team 32k is a lot to spend on fields...

I believe that we paid $1600 and that includes everything for the year. So all fall practices/tournaments, winter indoor practices, spring NXT League, summer practices/tournaments. And my son has dedicated coaches who are at all of those events.

With fall field rentals/tournament fees, indoor space rental, NXT League fees, summer field rentals/tournaments fees. That feels to me like it would eat up close to, if not all, of the $25,600 based upon your 16 person roster.


Just an FYI, some HS tournaments cost $600 or more per kid to enter. I would also assume that the club has to pay some type of insurance fees? So paying 1600-3000 per year is not over priced at all. That also includes the cost of uniforms.

There are no tournaments charging anything close to $600 per kid that would be over 12K per team. What you are referring to is a showcase which is an individual event and typically not covered by club dues. Typical costs for a club included tournament fee is about 150$ per kid max and some are much lower.

NXT has some that are $385/kid Welcome to lacrosse and when you have organizations like NXT pitching to parents that they are the only true "business" with full-time professionals, well you can look forward to those fees.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/19/18 11:50 AM
Very impressed with NXT spring league. You could tell it was the first games in a while for some of the teams but hopefully, it continues to grow.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/20/18 01:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So if they are non-profit were does all the $ go? They charge @2k per kid and have no paid coaches...so figure 16 paying kids per team 32k is a lot to spend on fields...

I believe that we paid $1600 and that includes everything for the year. So all fall practices/tournaments, winter indoor practices, spring NXT League, summer practices/tournaments. And my son has dedicated coaches who are at all of those events.

With fall field rentals/tournament fees, indoor space rental, NXT League fees, summer field rentals/tournaments fees. That feels to me like it would eat up close to, if not all, of the $25,600 based upon your 16 person roster.


Just an FYI, some HS tournaments cost $600 or more per kid to enter. I would also assume that the club has to pay some type of insurance fees? So paying 1600-3000 per year is not over priced at all. That also includes the cost of uniforms.

There are no tournaments charging anything close to $600 per kid that would be over 12K per team. What you are referring to is a showcase which is an individual event and typically not covered by club dues. Typical costs for a club included tournament fee is about 150$ per kid max and some are much lower.

The weekend over night team showcases are hundreds of dollars per kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/20/18 01:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very impressed with NXT spring league. You could tell it was the first games in a while for some of the teams but hopefully, it continues to grow.

Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/20/18 11:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very impressed with NXT spring league. You could tell it was the first games in a while for some of the teams but hopefully, it continues to grow.

Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.


There are a few teams doing the MSI Spring League.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/20/18 12:18 PM
Anyone know the history and why?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/20/18 04:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/20/18 06:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/21/18 11:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually
That's even worse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/21/18 01:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually
That's even worse.


No way they turned it down.. they didn't want to pay the fee and couldn't ask parents for more money. Another example of club management just in it for the money!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/21/18 07:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually
That's even worse.


No way they turned it down.. they didn't want to pay the fee and couldn't ask parents for more money. Another example of club management just in it for the money!

The only reason TD even had the younger teams is to line his pocket. There is NO WAY his 2020 team wouldn't have been in that league. Heck, he had them in 2 leagues when they were in junior high. Also surprising that NXT would have even invited them back after they got cheating in the league a few years ago. But then again obviously NXT didn't really care since they made a deal with him anyway. See how well that worked out. Ultimately, TD cares about 1 kid and one kid only.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/26/18 10:19 AM
Good action at NXT League yesterday. Great seeing all of the teams back at it outside.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/26/18 03:40 PM
Another great mini camp coming up for Duke's Nationals in Maryland Saturday April 7, make sue you attend only $100 dollars for the best 3 hour training you will every get, provided by the best coaches on the premier national team in the country Duke's Nationals.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/26/18 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another great mini camp coming up for Duke's Nationals in Maryland Saturday April 7, make sue you attend only $100 dollars for the best 3 hour training you will every get, provided by the best coaches on the premier national team in the country Duke's Nationals.

I am guessing you are being sarcastic?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 03/27/18 01:15 AM
Ha
No doubt who posted it...taxes must be due so they raised the cost
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 04/04/18 09:11 PM
Cost more than doubled in yr and half, better be twice as good!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 04/17/18 06:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually


Nope they didnt. I know this for a fact - were not invited. And probably never will be again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 04/17/18 07:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually


Nope they didnt. I know this for a fact - were not invited. And probably never will be again.

Incorrect ^
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 04/18/18 12:17 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually


Nope they didnt. I know this for a fact - were not invited. And probably never will be again.

Incorrect ^

My sons 8th grade team has played Blackstorm, leading edge, freedom and chiefs already. My other son is playing Mesa this weekend and have other events scheduled.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 04/19/18 01:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually


Nope they didnt. I know this for a fact - were not invited. And probably never will be again.

Incorrect ^

My sons 8th grade team has played Blackstorm, leading edge, freedom and chiefs already. My other son is playing Mesa this weekend and have other events scheduled.


LeadingEdge??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 04/23/18 06:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually


Nope they didnt. I know this for a fact - were not invited. And probably never will be again.

Incorrect ^


Nope it’s correct I know for a fact - know the person that makes these decisions at NXT - Tad burnt bridges. Now for the Son’s parent arguing thisngive up everyone else knows.

Probably better for you guys anyway you would
Have lost to SJBS, Dukes, TriState, Uprising and RR Elite anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 04/24/18 11:08 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Probably better for you guys anyway you would
Have lost to SJBS, Dukes, TriState, Uprising and RR Elite anyway.
Assuming you just left BL and Freedom Red off of there because that was already a given?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 04/24/18 06:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually


Nope they didnt. I know this for a fact - were not invited. And probably never will be again.

Incorrect ^


Nope it’s correct I know for a fact - know the person that makes these decisions at NXT - Tad burnt bridges. Now for the Son’s parent arguing thisngive up everyone else knows.

Probably better for you guys anyway you would
Have lost to SJBS, Dukes, TriState, Uprising and RR Elite anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually


Nope they didnt. I know this for a fact - were not invited. And probably never will be again.

Incorrect ^


Nope it’s correct I know for a fact - know the person that makes these decisions at NXT - Tad burnt bridges. Now for the Son’s parent arguing thisngive up everyone else knows.

Probably better for you guys anyway you would
Have lost to SJBS, Dukes, TriState, Uprising and RR Elite anyway.
We played SJBS and they tied us. Lost to Freedom 12-9
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/06/18 11:05 AM
I bet heads are about to explode at Malvern Prep! Imagine paying all of the money to get that “great” Lacrosse experience and then having the season they are having this year!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/13/18 08:29 PM
Is Supinski hurt, last time I watched DU play he got lots of playing time. Looked at a few recent box scores and he isn mentioned
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/21/18 12:26 AM
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/21/18 01:07 AM
What teams are you talking about?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/22/18 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/22/18 05:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/22/18 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Certainly not implying anything, the results speak for themselves. But if a certain program has a reputation for bringing in players and they under performed (or over performed), that speaks for itself as well. Not sure how Tri-State runs their program, they were in the middle of the pack for the season, but you do not typically hear a lot of talk about them bringing in players, same can be said for BL. It's not hard to look around the field at a rainbow of helmets to figure things out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/22/18 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Certainly not implying anything, the results speak for themselves. But if a certain program has a reputation for bringing in players and they under performed (or over performed), that speaks for itself as well. Not sure how Tri-State runs their program, they were in the middle of the pack for the season, but you do not typically hear a lot of talk about them bringing in players, same can be said for BL. It's not hard to look around the field at a rainbow of helmets to figure things out.


That's ridiculous BL is %100 known for bringing in kids. 2022 uses tons of Freedom kids, 2024 is bringing NXT fogo for Fantastic 12 Event. Everyone does it, but who cares?

Why are you complaining about competitive games? Isn't that why you're having your kids play?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/22/18 07:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Certainly not implying anything, the results speak for themselves. But if a certain program has a reputation for bringing in players and they under performed (or over performed), that speaks for itself as well. Not sure how Tri-State runs their program, they were in the middle of the pack for the season, but you do not typically hear a lot of talk about them bringing in players, same can be said for BL. It's not hard to look around the field at a rainbow of helmets to figure things out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Uprising did not bring HHH players, 90% of the Uprising team are HHH players. Uprising just played a great game and almost had a really big upset of BL. The Uprising team has very good players and all the players have been on the team all season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/22/18 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Certainly not implying anything, the results speak for themselves. But if a certain program has a reputation for bringing in players and they under performed (or over performed), that speaks for itself as well. Not sure how Tri-State runs their program, they were in the middle of the pack for the season, but you do not typically hear a lot of talk about them bringing in players, same can be said for BL. It's not hard to look around the field at a rainbow of helmets to figure things out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Uprising did not bring HHH players, 90% of the Uprising team are HHH players. Uprising just played a great game and almost had a really big upset of BL. The Uprising team has very good players and all the players have been on the team all season.


They did play a great game, if not for a few hiccups along the way, they would have won - goalie had a solid game
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/22/18 08:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous


That's ridiculous BL is %100 known for bringing in kids. 2022 uses tons of Freedom kids, 2024 is bringing NXT fogo for Fantastic 12 Event. Everyone does it, but who cares?

Why are you complaining about competitive games? Isn't that why you're having your kids play?


Everyone most certainly does NOT do it.

For those of you who accept and encourage this kind of behavior, I certainly hope you are not over on the Duke's forum complaining about them bringing in ringers for a tournament because that would make you a major hypocrite.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/23/18 06:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


That's ridiculous BL is %100 known for bringing in kids. 2022 uses tons of Freedom kids, 2024 is bringing NXT fogo for Fantastic 12 Event. Everyone does it, but who cares?

Why are you complaining about competitive games? Isn't that why you're having your kids play?


Everyone most certainly does NOT do it.

For those of you who accept and encourage this kind of behavior, I certainly hope you are not over on the Duke's forum complaining about them bringing in ringers for a tournament because that would make you a major hypocrite.

Of course they are!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity - 05/23/18 11:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend