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Who are the top 2023 teams in Jersey?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 2023 teams in Jersey?

Tri-State Shore

NJ Riot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 2023 teams in Jersey?

Tri-State Shore

Didn't they lose a number of players to LeadingEdge Elite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 2023 teams in Jersey?

Tri-State Shore

1) BBL
2) Tri-State Shore
3) Mad Dog
4) Tri-State Black
5) LeadingEdge Elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 2023 teams in Jersey?

Tri-State Shore

Didn't they lose a number of players to LeadingEdge Elite?

Don't know, PA poster who has played numerous NJ teams and Shore seemed to be the best of the bunch. They had some pretty dominant middies, if they lost one of them then yea it might be a different team. Never seen BBL,

Thought Blue Star showed some promise as well. I would rank them ahead of Mad Dog or Tri-State Black.

New jersey has lacrosse??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New jersey has lacrosse??

Yep, and too many clubs for the number of good players.

BBL Helix 2023 & 2024 win the championship at the Blatant Fall Jam! There should be a thread started for BBL Elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL Helix 2023 & 2024 win the championship at the Blatant Fall Jam! There should be a thread started for BBL Elite.

Slow down your 2023 didn't play Igloo, 91 Warriors or S2s and your 24s played 24/25 teams. Brooklyn Crescents show up at town events and don't win. Not saying it wasn't a good showing but come on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL Helix 2023 & 2024 win the championship at the Blatant Fall Jam! There should be a thread started for BBL Elite.

Slow down your 2023 didn't play Igloo, 91 Warriors or S2s and your 24s played 24/25 teams. Brooklyn Crescents show up at town events and don't win. Not saying it wasn't a good showing but come on.

We played the teams we had to play and beat everyone by 7+ goals. I think we would match up well against the teams you mentioned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL Helix 2023 & 2024 win the championship at the Blatant Fall Jam! There should be a thread started for BBL Elite.

Slow down your 2023 didn't play Igloo, 91 Warriors or S2s and your 24s played 24/25 teams. Brooklyn Crescents show up at town events and don't win. Not saying it wasn't a good showing but come on.

We played the teams we had to play and beat everyone by 7+ goals. I think we would match up well against the teams you mentioned.

Don't make a stupid post about winning a division (Not a Championship) and beating a team that loses to Jackson, NJ rec team 10 - 2. BBL is a good club we get it.

You are clearly a hater. What team are you speaking on behalf of? All that I was stating is the BBL should be considered in the conversation of being one of the Top Clubs in NJ. Not saying that we are the best but from top to bottom, we produce several college commitments and the middle school teams are competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are clearly a hater. What team are you speaking on behalf of? All that I was stating is the BBL should be considered in the conversation of being one of the Top Clubs in NJ. Not saying that we are the best but from top to bottom, we produce several college commitments and the middle school teams are competitive.

BBL was listed at the top NJ 2023 team. read the prior post. Come on Mom, you can't post if you're not willing to take a little crap

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are clearly a hater. What team are you speaking on behalf of? All that I was stating is the BBL should be considered in the conversation of being one of the Top Clubs in NJ. Not saying that we are the best but from top to bottom, we produce several college commitments and the middle school teams are competitive.

BBL was listed at the top NJ 2023 team. read the prior post. Come on Mom, you can't post if you're not willing to take a little crap

This is great! We need more people like the mom and you posting on the NJ Forum, it's too quiet when we have probably the 2nd most club teams behind Long Island

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are clearly a hater. What team are you speaking on behalf of? All that I was stating is the BBL should be considered in the conversation of being one of the Top Clubs in NJ. Not saying that we are the best but from top to bottom, we produce several college commitments and the middle school teams are competitive.

BBL was listed at the top NJ 2023 team. read the prior post. Come on Mom, you can't post if you're not willing to take a little crap

This is great! We need more people like the mom and you posting on the NJ Forum, it's too quiet when we have probably the 2nd most club teams behind Long Island

How do we get a club in NJ to run a tournament that includes all the NJ teams? Should be enough teams to create an A & B bracket at multiple ages? Kid play each other in the Spring but don't see each much in travel.

Will see BBL and Riot this weekend up in Lehigh @ 2022 will let you know how they are.

BBL is from my experience damn good especially with the FOGO they have.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will see BBL and Riot this weekend up in Lehigh @ 2022 will let you know how they are.

BBL is from my experience damn good especially with the FOGO they have.

That would be great. I know BBL is sending this 2022 team to the WSYL so I am curious to see how they match up vs the Riot.

Will be relocating from DC area to Monmouth County, NJ.. Son is a 2023 middie, playing high-level travel for 3 years. Any good recommendations for club teams. Have no problem driving 30 mins..

Any help would be great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be relocating from DC area to Monmouth County, NJ.. Son is a 2023 middie, playing high-level travel for 3 years. Any good recommendations for club teams. Have no problem driving 30 mins..

Any help would be great.

Based on the level of the clubs and proximity to you, I would recommend anyone of these clubs: Leading Edge, Tri-State and United Lacrosse runs a solid program but no where near as elite as Leading Edge and a step behind Tristate. Hope this helps & best of luck.

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be relocating from DC area to Monmouth County, NJ.. Son is a 2023 middie, playing high-level travel for 3 years. Any good recommendations for club teams. Have no problem driving 30 mins..

Any help would be great.

Based on the level of the clubs and proximity to you, I would recommend anyone of these clubs: Leading Edge, Tri-State and United Lacrosse runs a solid program but no where near as elite as Leading Edge and a step behind Tristate. Hope this helps & best of luck.

Thank you.. What about NJLC or Mad Dog?

Surprised no one mentioning the merger between NJ's Leading Edge and Team91

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will see BBL and Riot this weekend up in Lehigh @ 2022 will let you know how they are.

BBL is from my experience damn good especially with the FOGO they have.

That would be great. I know BBL is sending this 2022 team to the WSYL so I am curious to see how they match up vs the Riot.

BBL beat Riot handily. Leading Edge was best team and best BBL 6-3.

Leading Edge look suspiciously big - like way too old big.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will see BBL and Riot this weekend up in Lehigh @ 2022 will let you know how they are.

BBL is from my experience damn good especially with the FOGO they have.

That would be great. I know BBL is sending this 2022 team to the WSYL so I am curious to see how they match up vs the Riot.

BBL beat Riot handily. Leading Edge was best team and best BBL 6-3.

Leading Edge look suspiciously big - like way too old big.

12 to 14 holdbacks on Leading Edge.

"We wanted you to be the first to know about the forthcoming merger between Leading Edge Athletics, LLC and Team 91 (aka Dynamic Sports Marketing). The new entity will be Dynamic Sports Marketing New Jersey."

How is the merger going to impact Leading Edge? They had a nice program, does becoming another piece in the Team 91 machine hurt them?

I would not let my son play for BBL but they are fielding the most competitive teams in NJ right now. Some of their coaching staff is horrible. Some. Just there to punch a time card. Dopey guys who spend more time on their phone than focusing on the kids. Blue Star was looking to have something very special but they are getting greedy. The buzz has been really bad as of late.

Whoever mentioned the 23 Shore team just gave out a golden nugget.

There's another team which is on my radar but I will keep it to myself. Sorry. Won't let this rabbit out of my hat.

BBL Black 2023 barely beat 2 B level teams at KOTM and lost twice to the only A level team in their division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would not let my son play for BBL but they are fielding the most competitive teams in NJ right now. Some of their coaching staff is horrible. Some. Just there to punch a time card. Dopey guys who spend more time on their phone than focusing on the kids. Blue Star was looking to have something very special but they are getting greedy. The buzz has been really bad as of late.

Whoever mentioned the 23 Shore team just gave out a golden nugget.

There's another team which is on my radar but I will keep it to myself. Sorry. Won't let this rabbit out of my hat.

Einstein is your little rabbit Mad Dog, Tri-State Shore or LeadingEdge South? Tri-State Shore is Exit 109 only, 23s are good other teams not so great. Mad Dog brings in some great coaches but still young program. Needs to expand their footprint to compete with larger programs. Leading Edge south is a joke. Will be gone once Team 91 sees the product on the field.

I appreciate the kind words but Mad Dog is not on my radar and I was only referring to Shore 23. The best 23 squad in NJ is BBL - but it is barely an A team. All the rest are B and below. Just not enough talent to go around. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I appreciate the kind words but Mad Dog is not on my radar and I was only referring to Shore 23. The best 23 squad in NJ is BBL - but it is barely an A team. All the rest are B and below. Just not enough talent to go around. Sorry.

B and below...how did you come to that conclusion

I'm not saying that there are no A players. There are plenty. Just spread out over a lot of different teams. There are very few true A 23 teams. Unless you can be competitive with 91 Bandits - seriously compete - then you are not an A team. If you can't sit at the table with serious teams from LI or MD then you are just filler for brackets. Just because a coach put a team in an A bracket doesn't mean they are an A team.

I agree but I would argue that in a couple of years, playing in the A division (even though the team is not worthy of playing there), can help players get exposure and it could help those A players play against better talent. But at this point in time (7th grade), it does no good like you said.

I would rather see happy kids. They really don't care who they beat as long as they win. I'm not sure what is to be learned by getting stomped on by a team that practices year round 2 to 3 times a week. A team of NJ hold backs can't even compete against good Long Island teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would rather see happy kids. They really don't care who they beat as long as they win. I'm not sure what is to be learned by getting stomped on by a team that practices year round 2 to 3 times a week. A team of NJ hold backs can't even compete against good Long Island teams.

I don't think an Entire Team of hold backs would 'not' even compete against a LI Team...NJ has excellent players and some are just as good, if not better and it is about matchups. There are just too teams spread thin where on LI, the teams are more stacked with a lot more parity at least at the elite level.

Back to the 91/Leading Edge Merger - How is this going to help 91 and/or NJ Lax? IMO, Leading Edge was/is already a strong program so I don't see why they would 1) want to give up stake in their company and 2) how this is going to help build NJ Lax. This is obviously great for 91 as they will now be able to tap into the NJ market strengthening their bottom line, their brand and to help feed their events. Anyone have thoughts about this?

I was intrigued by the press release -- but Leading Edge has such a bad reputation right now. I don't know any strong players who would want to play for their youth teams. It's all about BBL right now - but that will change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was intrigued by the press release -- but Leading Edge has such a bad reputation right now. I don't know any strong players who would want to play for their youth teams. It's all about BBL right now - but that will change.

Thanks for the insight. I do agree that BBL is the it club right now and that the acquisition can lead to something good. It will be interesting to see where this goes and what happens.

It will be interesting to see how BBL23 Black does against Dukes Nationals tomorrow at Victory.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see how BBL23 Black does against Dukes Nationals tomorrow at Victory.

Ohhh Smack Talk!!! That should be a good game but I think Dukes Nationals gets the W but we shall see

Have to agree with that. Too bad Brotherly Love is not in the bracket. Would have loved to see how they match up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to agree with that. Too bad Brotherly Love is not in the bracket. Would have loved to see how they match up.

I don't think it's BL's top team. This event lost 1/2 the field when they had to push it back 3 weeks

It's the Back team. I imagine that they will lose to Dukes. If not, it would be a great win for the squad. The other teams are b level playing up in the bracket.

As I figured, Brotherly Love Beat BBL Black at Victory.

and the Dukes beat BBL

Wondering why Steps Elite (Boys) isn't making a major play. They actually have good coaches -- but the wrong model to be a real player. Thoughts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not saying that there are no A players. There are plenty. Just spread out over a lot of different teams. There are very few true A 23 teams. Unless you can be competitive with 91 Bandits - seriously compete - then you are not an A team. If you can't sit at the table with serious teams from LI or MD then you are just filler for brackets. Just because a coach put a team in an A bracket doesn't mean they are an A team.

I agree, many of the NJ programs are diluted, however, I think that you will find that there are exceptions. Some of the NJ programs, at certain age groups, compete very well at A and AA national events. That being said, there are definitely many teams that get in over there heads, which is definitely a disservice to their players and parents, it's better to admit that you are a B program and be happy and competitive in a B bracket.

As for Leading Edge, it is a shame that the Elite program will lose its identity, but it may be a boost for the other Leading Edge teams, like LE South, that have not been that competitive the last few years, definitely a product of too many competing programs in the area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not saying that there are no A players. There are plenty. Just spread out over a lot of different teams. There are very few true A 23 teams. Unless you can be competitive with 91 Bandits - seriously compete - then you are not an A team. If you can't sit at the table with serious teams from LI or MD then you are just filler for brackets. Just because a coach put a team in an A bracket doesn't mean they are an A team.

There are 4 to 4 teams in the country that can "seriously compete" with 91 Bandits. Let's be realistic..

Exactly. And those are the AA teams. It's a 4 team bracket. Actually, there are more than 4 teams that can hang with the Bandits. Just can't beat them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not saying that there are no A players. There are plenty. Just spread out over a lot of different teams. There are very few true A 23 teams. Unless you can be competitive with 91 Bandits - seriously compete - then you are not an A team. If you can't sit at the table with serious teams from LI or MD then you are just filler for brackets. Just because a coach put a team in an A bracket doesn't mean they are an A team.

There are 4 to 4 teams in the country that can "seriously compete" with 91 Bandits. Let's be realistic..

In order to beat them, you have to play them and learn what it takes. While the NJ teams are not beating teams like 91 Bandits, some are closing the gap. While lacrosse has been prevalent in the Northeast for a long time, its been a religion in Maryland and Long Island for just as long, so the pool of players is much larger. As the town rec. programs grow in NJ, so will the pool of talented players who will migrate to club lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not saying that there are no A players. There are plenty. Just spread out over a lot of different teams. There are very few true A 23 teams. Unless you can be competitive with 91 Bandits - seriously compete - then you are not an A team. If you can't sit at the table with serious teams from LI or MD then you are just filler for brackets. Just because a coach put a team in an A bracket doesn't mean they are an A team.

There are 4 to 4 teams in the country that can "seriously compete" with 91 Bandits. Let's be realistic..

In order to beat them, you have to play them and learn what it takes. While the NJ teams are not beating teams like 91 Bandits, some are closing the gap. While lacrosse has been prevalent in the Northeast for a long time, its been a religion in Maryland and Long Island for just as long, so the pool of players is much larger. As the town rec. programs grow in NJ, so will the pool of talented players who will migrate to club lacrosse.

Not sure I want my son's team to be be a sparring partner for the 91 Bandits. I would rather have them winning fights in a lower weight class against teams with similar coaching and training schedules. Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not saying that there are no A players. There are plenty. Just spread out over a lot of different teams. There are very few true A 23 teams. Unless you can be competitive with 91 Bandits - seriously compete - then you are not an A team. If you can't sit at the table with serious teams from LI or MD then you are just filler for brackets. Just because a coach put a team in an A bracket doesn't mean they are an A team.

There are 4 to 4 teams in the country that can "seriously compete" with 91 Bandits. Let's be realistic..

In order to beat them, you have to play them and learn what it takes. While the NJ teams are not beating teams like 91 Bandits, some are closing the gap. While lacrosse has been prevalent in the Northeast for a long time, its been a religion in Maryland and Long Island for just as long, so the pool of players is much larger. As the town rec. programs grow in NJ, so will the pool of talented players who will migrate to club lacrosse.

Not sure I want my son's team to be be a sparring partner for the 91 Bandits. I would rather have them winning fights in a lower weight class against teams with similar coaching and training schedules. Just my opinion.

Disagree, you are the type of parent this is making our next generation weak. They need to understand the talent and commitment that is required to be the best. Bandits are not walking out 5'10" holdbacks.

The bigger NJ issue is too many teams, not enough A players. It will never happen but there needs to be consolidation of talent within areas of NJ. Blue Star, NJLC, Turnpike, Tri State & Leading Edge all fighting for the same 25 "A" players in one area of NJ. Kid plays for Leading Edge then moves to Blue Star because the parents think the grass is greener. One club needs to rise above, or maybe 4 clubs one in each area.

Dude you are drinking the Kool Aid or serving it. I don't know much about the 25's -- but what I do know is that the best 26 players out now could destroy the best 25 players and they play for teams that are not mentioned above.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dude you are drinking the Kool Aid or serving it. I don't know much about the 25's -- but what I do know is that the best 26 players out now could destroy the best 25 players and they play for teams that are not mentioned above.

Not 2025s.. there are only twenty-five "A" players on five different NJ travel teams the rest are B players. If they lived in MD, PA & LI most of the NJ travel players would be on C teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not saying that there are no A players. There are plenty. Just spread out over a lot of different teams. There are very few true A 23 teams. Unless you can be competitive with 91 Bandits - seriously compete - then you are not an A team. If you can't sit at the table with serious teams from LI or MD then you are just filler for brackets. Just because a coach put a team in an A bracket doesn't mean they are an A team.

There are 4 to 4 teams in the country that can "seriously compete" with 91 Bandits. Let's be realistic..

In order to beat them, you have to play them and learn what it takes. While the NJ teams are not beating teams like 91 Bandits, some are closing the gap. While lacrosse has been prevalent in the Northeast for a long time, its been a religion in Maryland and Long Island for just as long, so the pool of players is much larger. As the town rec. programs grow in NJ, so will the pool of talented players who will migrate to club lacrosse.

Not sure I want my son's team to be be a sparring partner for the 91 Bandits. I would rather have them winning fights in a lower weight class against teams with similar coaching and training schedules. Just my opinion.

Disagree, you are the type of parent this is making our next generation weak. They need to understand the talent and commitment that is required to be the best. Bandits are not walking out 5'10" holdbacks.

The bigger NJ issue is too many teams, not enough A players. It will never happen but there needs to be consolidation of talent within areas of NJ. Blue Star, NJLC, Turnpike, Tri State & Leading Edge all fighting for the same 25 "A" players in one area of NJ. Kid plays for Leading Edge then moves to Blue Star because the parents think the grass is greener. One club needs to rise above, or maybe 4 clubs one in each area.

Yes, could not agree more. There are clubs that do very well serving the B level players and fill the role of development programs, this is a great step for the kid transitioning from town rec. to travel. On the other hand, there are programs, some mentioned above, that are more focused on developing a national presence, this is why they enter tournaments with teams such as 91 Bandit, Annapolis Hawks and the like. Unfortunately, all of these clubs are businesses and they rely on paying customers, therefore you have A kids on B clubs and vice versa. If the clubs were to look at the big picture, they would see that there could be a redistribution that gets B players onto B teams and A players on to A teams. Unfortunately, this will never happen, because the clubs have the mindset that they need to compete for players by claiming that they compete at the highest level. If your kid is on a team that is a "sparring partner" for clubs like 91 Bandits, then the club is not playing at the right level. On the other hand despite what some may think, there are several NJ teams that are playing and competing in top level tournaments. While they may finish in the middle of the pack because of teams like 91 Bandits, they are also beating some very reputable programs.,and keeping the games with teams such as 91 Bandits respectable. I have absolutely no issue with my kid going out and playing the Team 91s of the world, it builds character every time that they play and the gap narrows.

That’s a bit extreme - you might need a better scouting report.

Can anyone tell me what tournaments the following teams played over the fall? Only looking at 22 and below. Also, I would love to take a look at who is coaching some of these teams. Which ones embrace daddy ball - which ones have legit coaches and which one's have unqualified coaches.

BBL Black
Thunder
Leading Edge
Riot
02
Patriot
Tristate
Turnpike
Force

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone tell me what tournaments the following teams played over the fall? Only looking at 22 and below. Also, I would love to take a look at who is coaching some of these teams. Which ones embrace daddy ball - which ones have legit coaches and which one's have unqualified coaches.

BBL Black
Thunder
Leading Edge
Riot
02
Patriot
Tristate
Turnpike
Force

What is the point of your question...other than to poke the hornets nest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone tell me what tournaments the following teams played over the fall? Only looking at 22 and below. Also, I would love to take a look at who is coaching some of these teams. Which ones embrace daddy ball - which ones have legit coaches and which one's have unqualified coaches.

BBL Black
Thunder
Leading Edge
Riot
02
Patriot
Tristate
Turnpike
Force

What is the point of your question...other than to poke the hornets nest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone tell me what tournaments the following teams played over the fall? Only looking at 22 and below. Also, I would love to take a look at who is coaching some of these teams. Which ones embrace daddy ball - which ones have legit coaches and which one's have unqualified coaches.

BBL Black
Thunder
Leading Edge
Riot
02
Patriot
Tristate
Turnpike
Force

What is the point of your question...other than to poke the hornets nest.

The point is to publish what is really going on with the teams in NJ. Perhaps if people hold the teams accountable they will step up their game. Bottom line - facts are facts. The kids are great but parents shouldn't be spending good money on coaches that have no experience. Just because it looks like a Gucci bag - doesn't mean it's real. Why don't we take a look at what is really going on.

WESTFIELD, N.J. — 3d Lacrosse, the nation’s leading provider of lacrosse training and development services, has announced the formation of 3d Garden State, a New Jersey-based market that will serve lacrosse players in the Northern New Jersey region.

Based in Westfield, N.J., 3d Garden State will provide 3d Lacrosse’s widely regarded Select teams, hybrid and small-sided training, workshops, camps and clinics and other player development opportunities to youth and high school-age players in New Jersey.

Patrick Tuohy, formerly of Transition Lacrosse, has been named the Director of 3d Garden State. He will oversee all aspects of 3d Garden State’s coaching and operations kicking off immediately.

BBl was at Victory Last weekend.

BBL 26 Won division.
BBL 25 went 1-2
BBl 24 Went 3-0 But lost the championship to Brotherly Love.
BBL 23 Went 2-1 Losing to Dukes Nationals
BBL 22 Went 2-0-1 Lost to Dukes Nationals

Competition was a mixed bag but BBL did well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WESTFIELD, N.J. — 3d Lacrosse, the nation’s leading provider of lacrosse training and development services, has announced the formation of 3d Garden State, a New Jersey-based market that will serve lacrosse players in the Northern New Jersey region.

Based in Westfield, N.J., 3d Garden State will provide 3d Lacrosse’s widely regarded Select teams, hybrid and small-sided training, workshops, camps and clinics and other player development opportunities to youth and high school-age players in New Jersey.

Patrick Tuohy, formerly of Transition Lacrosse, has been named the Director of 3d Garden State. He will oversee all aspects of 3d Garden State’s coaching and operations kicking off immediately.

Let's water it down some more.. Is Transition going to pull the plug?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBl was at Victory Last weekend.

BBL 26 Won division.
BBL 25 went 1-2
BBl 24 Went 3-0 But lost the championship to Brotherly Love.
BBL 23 Went 2-1 Losing to Dukes Nationals
BBL 22 Went 2-0-1 Lost to Dukes Nationals

Competition was a mixed bag but BBL did well.

Based on coaching & teams..

BBL is "A" team in North Jersey.. All but their 25s still too young to count.

Central - LeadingEdge, TriState, Blue Star ???

Shore/South - TriState, United, Mad Dog???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WESTFIELD, N.J. — 3d Lacrosse, the nation’s leading provider of lacrosse training and development services, has announced the formation of 3d Garden State, a New Jersey-based market that will serve lacrosse players in the Northern New Jersey region.

Based in Westfield, N.J., 3d Garden State will provide 3d Lacrosse’s widely regarded Select teams, hybrid and small-sided training, workshops, camps and clinics and other player development opportunities to youth and high school-age players in New Jersey.

Patrick Tuohy, formerly of Transition Lacrosse, has been named the Director of 3d Garden State. He will oversee all aspects of 3d Garden State’s coaching and operations kicking off immediately.

Let's water it down some more.. Is Transition going to pull the plug?

I like this. Sound like a good move.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WESTFIELD, N.J. — 3d Lacrosse, the nation’s leading provider of lacrosse training and development services, has announced the formation of 3d Garden State, a New Jersey-based market that will serve lacrosse players in the Northern New Jersey region.

Based in Westfield, N.J., 3d Garden State will provide 3d Lacrosse’s widely regarded Select teams, hybrid and small-sided training, workshops, camps and clinics and other player development opportunities to youth and high school-age players in New Jersey.

Patrick Tuohy, formerly of Transition Lacrosse, has been named the Director of 3d Garden State. He will oversee all aspects of 3d Garden State’s coaching and operations kicking off immediately.

Let's water it down some more.. Is Transition going to pull the plug?

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't really know much about Transition, is this really a big deal. When the NJ clubs are discussed, Transition is not a name that I hear a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WESTFIELD, N.J. — 3d Lacrosse, the nation’s leading provider of lacrosse training and development services, has announced the formation of 3d Garden State, a New Jersey-based market that will serve lacrosse players in the Northern New Jersey region.

Based in Westfield, N.J., 3d Garden State will provide 3d Lacrosse’s widely regarded Select teams, hybrid and small-sided training, workshops, camps and clinics and other player development opportunities to youth and high school-age players in New Jersey.

Patrick Tuohy, formerly of Transition Lacrosse, has been named the Director of 3d Garden State. He will oversee all aspects of 3d Garden State’s coaching and operations kicking off immediately.

Let's water it down some more.. Is Transition going to pull the plug?

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't really know much about Transition, is this really a big deal. When the NJ clubs are discussed, Transition is not a name that I hear a lot.

"Transition Lacrosse was founded by Westfield HS Varsity Coach Patrick Tuohy and Immaculata HS Varsity Coach Thomas Mott with the goal of helping players reach their full potential both on and off the field. Transition Lacrosse also offers a platform to assist players with the recruiting process as they progress with their career."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WESTFIELD, N.J. — 3d Lacrosse, the nation’s leading provider of lacrosse training and development services, has announced the formation of 3d Garden State, a New Jersey-based market that will serve lacrosse players in the Northern New Jersey region.

Based in Westfield, N.J., 3d Garden State will provide 3d Lacrosse’s widely regarded Select teams, hybrid and small-sided training, workshops, camps and clinics and other player development opportunities to youth and high school-age players in New Jersey.

Patrick Tuohy, formerly of Transition Lacrosse, has been named the Director of 3d Garden State. He will oversee all aspects of 3d Garden State’s coaching and operations kicking off immediately.

Let's water it down some more.. Is Transition going to pull the plug?

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't really know much about Transition, is this really a big deal. When the NJ clubs are discussed, Transition is not a name that I hear a lot.

"Transition Lacrosse was founded by Westfield HS Varsity Coach Patrick Tuohy and Immaculata HS Varsity Coach Thomas Mott with the goal of helping players reach their full potential both on and off the field. Transition Lacrosse also offers a platform to assist players with the recruiting process as they progress with their career."

So not really comparable to 91 merging with Leading Edge - the real prize being Leading Edge Elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WESTFIELD, N.J. — 3d Lacrosse, the nation’s leading provider of lacrosse training and development services, has announced the formation of 3d Garden State, a New Jersey-based market that will serve lacrosse players in the Northern New Jersey region.

Based in Westfield, N.J., 3d Garden State will provide 3d Lacrosse’s widely regarded Select teams, hybrid and small-sided training, workshops, camps and clinics and other player development opportunities to youth and high school-age players in New Jersey.

Patrick Tuohy, formerly of Transition Lacrosse, has been named the Director of 3d Garden State. He will oversee all aspects of 3d Garden State’s coaching and operations kicking off immediately.

Let's water it down some more.. Is Transition going to pull the plug?

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't really know much about Transition, is this really a big deal. When the NJ clubs are discussed, Transition is not a name that I hear a lot.

"Transition Lacrosse was founded by Westfield HS Varsity Coach Patrick Tuohy and Immaculata HS Varsity Coach Thomas Mott with the goal of helping players reach their full potential both on and off the field. Transition Lacrosse also offers a platform to assist players with the recruiting process as they progress with their career."

So not really comparable to 91 merging with Leading Edge - the real prize being Leading Edge Elite

Could be a tournament play for 91 & 3D. NJ is more centrally located, 2+ hours from MD/New England & 1+ hour from PA/LI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WESTFIELD, N.J. — 3d Lacrosse, the nation’s leading provider of lacrosse training and development services, has announced the formation of 3d Garden State, a New Jersey-based market that will serve lacrosse players in the Northern New Jersey region.

Based in Westfield, N.J., 3d Garden State will provide 3d Lacrosse’s widely regarded Select teams, hybrid and small-sided training, workshops, camps and clinics and other player development opportunities to youth and high school-age players in New Jersey.

Patrick Tuohy, formerly of Transition Lacrosse, has been named the Director of 3d Garden State. He will oversee all aspects of 3d Garden State’s coaching and operations kicking off immediately.

Let's water it down some more.. Is Transition going to pull the plug?

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't really know much about Transition, is this really a big deal. When the NJ clubs are discussed, Transition is not a name that I hear a lot.

"Transition Lacrosse was founded by Westfield HS Varsity Coach Patrick Tuohy and Immaculata HS Varsity Coach Thomas Mott with the goal of helping players reach their full potential both on and off the field. Transition Lacrosse also offers a platform to assist players with the recruiting process as they progress with their career."

So not really comparable to 91 merging with Leading Edge - the real prize being Leading Edge Elite

Could be a tournament play for 91 & 3D. NJ is more centrally located, 2+ hours from MD/New England & 1+ hour from PA/LI.

Also brings more teams under the NLF umbrella, but how may times do you want to play the same teams over and over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WESTFIELD, N.J. — 3d Lacrosse, the nation’s leading provider of lacrosse training and development services, has announced the formation of 3d Garden State, a New Jersey-based market that will serve lacrosse players in the Northern New Jersey region.

Based in Westfield, N.J., 3d Garden State will provide 3d Lacrosse’s widely regarded Select teams, hybrid and small-sided training, workshops, camps and clinics and other player development opportunities to youth and high school-age players in New Jersey.

Patrick Tuohy, formerly of Transition Lacrosse, has been named the Director of 3d Garden State. He will oversee all aspects of 3d Garden State’s coaching and operations kicking off immediately.

Let's water it down some more.. Is Transition going to pull the plug?

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't really know much about Transition, is this really a big deal. When the NJ clubs are discussed, Transition is not a name that I hear a lot.

"Transition Lacrosse was founded by Westfield HS Varsity Coach Patrick Tuohy and Immaculata HS Varsity Coach Thomas Mott with the goal of helping players reach their full potential both on and off the field. Transition Lacrosse also offers a platform to assist players with the recruiting process as they progress with their career."

So not really comparable to 91 merging with Leading Edge - the real prize being Leading Edge Elite

Could be a tournament play for 91 & 3D. NJ is more centrally located, 2+ hours from MD/New England & 1+ hour from PA/LI.

Most MD tools never leave their backwater caves. Why should they when the competition goes to them? Pulling in New England, NY, NJ and PA into central tournaments will help with that. NJ is a better trip for most than going to LI. I hope it works out. Let the MD teams play themselves to death until they have to leave the state.

Anyone know what spring league Leading Edge or any of the NJ clubs play in?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know what spring league Leading Edge or any of the NJ clubs play in?

No - but they are still looking players on their 24-26 squads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know what spring league Leading Edge or any of the NJ clubs play in?

No - but they are still looking players on their 24-26 squads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know what spring league Leading Edge or any of the NJ clubs play in?

No - but they are still looking players on their 24-26 squads.

23 - 26

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know what spring league Leading Edge or any of the NJ clubs play in?

No - but they are still looking players on their 24-26 squads.

23 - 26

My bad. 23 -26.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know what spring league Leading Edge or any of the NJ clubs play in?

No - but they are still looking players on their 24-26 squads.

23 - 26

My bad. 23 -26.

Not surprised, they are trying to field teams in areas that are already saturated. For example, a team like LE South is competing with Mad Dog, United and Tri State.. there are top players in the area but not enough to fill that many clubs at a competitive level.

More like 4. Leading Edge is the only program in NJ that consistently plays the best teams game in and game out. Their youth teams do not win a lot but they get much better playing against the best every single game. My son is a product of it. No way any other club in NJ consistently plays the level of competition that Leading Edge does, not even close. We started out in another program, which I thought had a good schedule. It is a whole different world playing against those NLF teams. The youth kids take their lumps, but they improve significantly. When they get into HS Leading Edge is one of the best 4 teams at every tournament. I would rather learn how to be competitive in middle school and lose more than I win, and in return be prepared to compete at the highest level when the college coaches have their eyeballs on you. I see so many parents at the middle school level more concerned with winning. They are missing the boat if they are truly serious about their son competing at a high level and getting to the D1 level. The long island boys do not have to leave nassau or Suffolk to get that in their formative years. We in NJ have have to seek it out and not shy away from it. Too many in NJ are stuck in the mud thinking that playing against the 3rd LIE team or 2nd 91 team is as good as playing against the first teams.

Haha
Yeah they get better in High School because they cut your kid. Then they raid all the other programs and get better talent. LE takes anyone at youth level dumb enough to pay. Then they get cut after 7th grade. Just ask bbl, they have taken their players for years.
Fact of the matter is LE helps with recruitment at the hs level and bbl does not. But do not think any kid is getting better in LE youth program. They are NOT.
And now that holdbacks have flooded 2022, you can be sure there will be no kid from the last couple of years left in the fall of 2018.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Haha
Yeah they get better in High School because they cut your kid. Then they raid all the other programs and get better talent. LE takes anyone at youth level dumb enough to pay. Then they get cut after 7th grade. Just ask bbl, they have taken their players for years.
Fact of the matter is LE helps with recruitment at the hs level and bbl does not. But do not think any kid is getting better in LE youth program. They are NOT.
And now that holdbacks have flooded 2022, you can be sure there will be no kid from the last couple of years left in the fall of 2018.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More like 4. Leading Edge is the only program in NJ that consistently plays the best teams game in and game out. Their youth teams do not win a lot but they get much better playing against the best every single game. My son is a product of it. No way any other club in NJ consistently plays the level of competition that Leading Edge does, not even close. We started out in another program, which I thought had a good schedule. It is a whole different world playing against those NLF teams. The youth kids take their lumps, but they improve significantly. When they get into HS Leading Edge is one of the best 4 teams at every tournament. I would rather learn how to be competitive in middle school and lose more than I win, and in return be prepared to compete at the highest level when the college coaches have their eyeballs on you. I see so many parents at the middle school level more concerned with winning. They are missing the boat if they are truly serious about their son competing at a high level and getting to the D1 level. The long island boys do not have to leave nassau or Suffolk to get that in their formative years. We in NJ have have to seek it out and not shy away from it. Too many in NJ are stuck in the mud thinking that playing against the 3rd LIE team or 2nd 91 team is as good as playing against the first teams.

You living in the past. Yes, they have been able to take the top players from other clubs. Those days are over. They are losing players to BBL, Blue Star, and others. They are losing 16-1 at the younger levels to NJ teams "stuck in the mud".

Maybe you are a masochist but most parents don't like to watch little Jonny lose by 10. The "we play better teams" only works for a couple of tournaments and you can't say they have better coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Haha
Yeah they get better in High School because they cut your kid. Then they raid all the other programs and get better talent. LE takes anyone at youth level dumb enough to pay. Then they get cut after 7th grade. Just ask bbl, they have taken their players for years.
Fact of the matter is LE helps with recruitment at the hs level and bbl does not. But do not think any kid is getting better in LE youth program. They are NOT.
And now that holdbacks have flooded 2022, you can be sure there will be no kid from the last couple of years left in the fall of 2018.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More like 4. Leading Edge is the only program in NJ that consistently plays the best teams game in and game out. Their youth teams do not win a lot but they get much better playing against the best every single game. My son is a product of it. No way any other club in NJ consistently plays the level of competition that Leading Edge does, not even close. We started out in another program, which I thought had a good schedule. It is a whole different world playing against those NLF teams. The youth kids take their lumps, but they improve significantly. When they get into HS Leading Edge is one of the best 4 teams at every tournament. I would rather learn how to be competitive in middle school and lose more than I win, and in return be prepared to compete at the highest level when the college coaches have their eyeballs on you. I see so many parents at the middle school level more concerned with winning. They are missing the boat if they are truly serious about their son competing at a high level and getting to the D1 level. The long island boys do not have to leave nassau or Suffolk to get that in their formative years. We in NJ have have to seek it out and not shy away from it. Too many in NJ are stuck in the mud thinking that playing against the 3rd LIE team or 2nd 91 team is as good as playing against the first teams.

You living in the past. Yes, they have been able to take the top players from other clubs. Those days are over. They are losing players to BBL, Blue Star, and others. They are losing 16-1 at the younger levels to NJ teams "stuck in the mud".

Maybe you are a masochist but most parents don't like to watch little Jonny lose by 10. The "we play better teams" only works for a couple of tournaments and you can't say they have better coaching.

You obviously did not read the post. I am not a LE fan. They are horrible at the youth level. At the High School level they are the top club. To say that the kids do not leave their clubs to go to LE in H.S. is a lie. BBL is better at everything except recruiting and that is why the better kids leave.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Haha
Yeah they get better in High School because they cut your kid. Then they raid all the other programs and get better talent. LE takes anyone at youth level dumb enough to pay. Then they get cut after 7th grade. Just ask bbl, they have taken their players for years.
Fact of the matter is LE helps with recruitment at the hs level and bbl does not. But do not think any kid is getting better in LE youth program. They are NOT.
And now that holdbacks have flooded 2022, you can be sure there will be no kid from the last couple of years left in the fall of 2018.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More like 4. Leading Edge is the only program in NJ that consistently plays the best teams game in and game out. Their youth teams do not win a lot but they get much better playing against the best every single game. My son is a product of it. No way any other club in NJ consistently plays the level of competition that Leading Edge does, not even close. We started out in another program, which I thought had a good schedule. It is a whole different world playing against those NLF teams. The youth kids take their lumps, but they improve significantly. When they get into HS Leading Edge is one of the best 4 teams at every tournament. I would rather learn how to be competitive in middle school and lose more than I win, and in return be prepared to compete at the highest level when the college coaches have their eyeballs on you. I see so many parents at the middle school level more concerned with winning. They are missing the boat if they are truly serious about their son competing at a high level and getting to the D1 level. The long island boys do not have to leave nassau or Suffolk to get that in their formative years. We in NJ have have to seek it out and not shy away from it. Too many in NJ are stuck in the mud thinking that playing against the 3rd LIE team or 2nd 91 team is as good as playing against the first teams.

You living in the past. Yes, they have been able to take the top players from other clubs. Those days are over. They are losing players to BBL, Blue Star, and others. They are losing 16-1 at the younger levels to NJ teams "stuck in the mud".

Maybe you are a masochist but most parents don't like to watch little Jonny lose by 10. The "we play better teams" only works for a couple of tournaments and you can't say they have better coaching.

You obviously did not read the post. I am not a LE fan. They are horrible at the youth level. At the High School level they are the top club. To say that the kids do not leave their clubs to go to LE in H.S. is a lie. BBL is better at everything except recruiting and that is why the better kids leave.

Lets be honest, if your kid is good enough, recruiting is not a huge issue because they will get noticed, this is why colleges pay people to go out and find players. Sure, it helps if your club is playing in top tournaments against top teams, that is typically where the coaches are spending the majority of their time, but this also means that playing the same NLF teams in the same NLF tournaments all of the time is not getting your kid the most exposure. College coaches aren't hanging around the NLF tournaments all of the time, they can go to one, see the talent, and then spend their time elsewhere, if anything, this cuts down on your kids exposure. If you are playing in a wide variety of top national tournaments, you are more likely to get noticed. And I tend to agree with the above post. In the past, there was some migration of top players to LE once they reached the elite level, but it seems that this trend has slowed down, not sure how the 91 affiliation with affect that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Haha
Yeah they get better in High School because they cut your kid. Then they raid all the other programs and get better talent. LE takes anyone at youth level dumb enough to pay. Then they get cut after 7th grade. Just ask bbl, they have taken their players for years.
Fact of the matter is LE helps with recruitment at the hs level and bbl does not. But do not think any kid is getting better in LE youth program. They are NOT.
And now that holdbacks have flooded 2022, you can be sure there will be no kid from the last couple of years left in the fall of 2018.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More like 4. Leading Edge is the only program in NJ that consistently plays the best teams game in and game out. Their youth teams do not win a lot but they get much better playing against the best every single game. My son is a product of it. No way any other club in NJ consistently plays the level of competition that Leading Edge does, not even close. We started out in another program, which I thought had a good schedule. It is a whole different world playing against those NLF teams. The youth kids take their lumps, but they improve significantly. When they get into HS Leading Edge is one of the best 4 teams at every tournament. I would rather learn how to be competitive in middle school and lose more than I win, and in return be prepared to compete at the highest level when the college coaches have their eyeballs on you. I see so many parents at the middle school level more concerned with winning. They are missing the boat if they are truly serious about their son competing at a high level and getting to the D1 level. The long island boys do not have to leave nassau or Suffolk to get that in their formative years. We in NJ have have to seek it out and not shy away from it. Too many in NJ are stuck in the mud thinking that playing against the 3rd LIE team or 2nd 91 team is as good as playing against the first teams.

You living in the past. Yes, they have been able to take the top players from other clubs. Those days are over. They are losing players to BBL, Blue Star, and others. They are losing 16-1 at the younger levels to NJ teams "stuck in the mud".

Maybe you are a masochist but most parents don't like to watch little Jonny lose by 10. The "we play better teams" only works for a couple of tournaments and you can't say they have better coaching.

You obviously did not read the post. I am not a LE fan. They are horrible at the youth level. At the High School level they are the top club. To say that the kids do not leave their clubs to go to LE in H.S. is a lie. BBL is better at everything except recruiting and that is why the better kids leave.

Lets be honest, if your kid is good enough, recruiting is not a huge issue because they will get noticed, this is why colleges pay people to go out and find players. Sure, it helps if your club is playing in top tournaments against top teams, that is typically where the coaches are spending the majority of their time, but this also means that playing the same NLF teams in the same NLF tournaments all of the time is not getting your kid the most exposure. College coaches aren't hanging around the NLF tournaments all of the time, they can go to one, see the talent, and then spend their time elsewhere, if anything, this cuts down on your kids exposure. If you are playing in a wide variety of top national tournaments, you are more likely to get noticed. And I tend to agree with the above post. In the past, there was some migration of top players to LE once they reached the elite level, but it seems that this trend has slowed down, not sure how the 91 affiliation with affect that.

You are absolutely right. The NLF is great and all but College Coaches are still going to the other reputable events and keep in mind that there are 3-4 coaches from a college so that means that they can be at 3 different events.

Is anyone having a good experience with a 2024 squad in NJ other than BBL? Good communication. No parent coaching. High quality coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone having a good experience with a 2024 squad in NJ other than BBL? Good communication. No parent coaching. High quality coaches.

What part of NJ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone having a good experience with a 2024 squad in NJ other than BBL? Good communication. No parent coaching. High quality coaches.

What part of NJ?

Doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone having a good experience with a 2024 squad in NJ other than BBL? Good communication. No parent coaching. High quality coaches.

What part of NJ?

Doesn't matter.

if it doesn't matter head to PA or MD

Best Coaching
North - BBL
Middle - Leading Edge Elite
West - Blue Star
Shore - Mad Dog

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone having a good experience with a 2024 squad in NJ other than BBL? Good communication. No parent coaching. High quality coaches.

What part of NJ?

Doesn't matter.

if it doesn't matter head to PA or MD

Best Coaching
North - BBL
Middle - Leading Edge Elite
West - Blue Star
Shore - Mad Dog

If you are only talking about 2024, Tri-State central team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone having a good experience with a 2024 squad in NJ other than BBL? Good communication. No parent coaching. High quality coaches.

What part of NJ?

Doesn't matter.

if it doesn't matter head to PA or MD

Best Coaching
North - BBL
Middle - Leading Edge Elite
West - Blue Star
Shore - Mad Dog

I would throw in SJ Shamrocks too

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone having a good experience with a 2024 squad in NJ other than BBL? Good communication. No parent coaching. High quality coaches.

What part of NJ?

Doesn't matter.

if it doesn't matter head to PA or MD

Best Coaching
North - BBL
Middle - Leading Edge Elite
West - Blue Star
Shore - Mad Dog

I would throw in SJ Shamrocks too

What can you tell me about Mad Dog and the Shamrocks. Do you know who coaches the 2024 squad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone having a good experience with a 2024 squad in NJ other than BBL? Good communication. No parent coaching. High quality coaches.

What part of NJ?

Doesn't matter.

if it doesn't matter head to PA or MD

Best Coaching
North - BBL
Middle - Leading Edge Elite
West - Blue Star
Shore - Mad Dog

I would throw in SJ Shamrocks too

What can you tell me about Mad Dog and the Shamrocks. Do you know who coaches the 2024 squad.

Shamrocks played as a B team last year. was a 2024/25 team. I wouldn't include them on this list.

Check the team's websites or call the club presidents.

Mad dog is a good program but tends to be made up of, and favor, the local kids. Not sure about coaching for 2024s, but coaching has been an issue for 2023s, although rumor is that things have changed. Also, very positive feedback about guy that runs the program. Just to be clear, my kid does not play for Mad Dog.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mad dog is a good program but tends to be made up of, and favor, the local kids. Not sure about coaching for 2024s, but coaching has been an issue for 2023s, although rumor is that have changed. Also, very positive feedback about guy that runs the program. Just to be clear, my kid does not play for Mad Dog.

Not sure about the local kids statement. They have players from Mt. Olive & Summit. Yes, 2023 coaching was an issue that they have addressed. 2024 & 2025 teams are very good and contiue to get stronger every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mad dog is a good program but tends to be made up of, and favor, the local kids. Not sure about coaching for 2024s, but coaching has been an issue for 2023s, although rumor is that have changed. Also, very positive feedback about guy that runs the program. Just to be clear, my kid does not play for Mad Dog.

Not sure about the local kids statement. They have players from Mt. Olive & Summit. Yes, 2023 coaching was an issue that they have addressed. 2024 & 2025 teams are very good and contiue to get stronger every year.

Yes, a couple of non-local kids, usually families that have vacation homes at the shore, so they play Mad Dog for the summer. Perhaps the local kids point is just exaggerated by disgruntled parents, but I see a lot of Mad Dog helmets on one of the local town teams, but then again, there is something to be said about loyalty to the local kids. Again, as I said before, I have heard great things about the guy who runs the program, supposedly a class act and a knowledgeable coach. Fortunately, I feel that my son is on the best team in the area for his age group, and I would not change a thing, but Mad Dog would definitely be an option if things were different.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mad dog is a good program but tends to be made up of, and favor, the local kids. Not sure about coaching for 2024s, but coaching has been an issue for 2023s, although rumor is that have changed. Also, very positive feedback about guy that runs the program. Just to be clear, my kid does not play for Mad Dog.

Not sure about the local kids statement. They have players from Mt. Olive & Summit. Yes, 2023 coaching was an issue that they have addressed. 2024 & 2025 teams are very good and contiue to get stronger every year.

Yes, a couple of non-local kids, usually families that have vacation homes at the shore, so they play Mad Dog for the summer. Perhaps the local kids point is just exaggerated by disgruntled parents, but I see a lot of Mad Dog helmets on one of the local town teams, but then again, there is something to be said about loyalty to the local kids. Again, as I said before, I have heard great things about the guy who runs the program, supposedly a class act and a knowledgeable coach. Fortunately, I feel that my son is on the best team in the area for his age group, and I would not change a thing, but Mad Dog would definitely be an option if things were different.

Just keep away from NJ Riot a complete waste of time a major money grab

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone having a good experience with a 2024 squad in NJ other than BBL? Good communication. No parent coaching. High quality coaches.

What part of NJ?

Doesn't matter.

if it doesn't matter head to PA or MD

Best Coaching
North - BBL
Middle - Leading Edge Elite
West - Blue Star
Shore - Mad Dog

I would throw in SJ Shamrocks too

What can you tell me about Mad Dog and the Shamrocks. Do you know who coaches the 2024 squad.

I do not know much about their 2024 team but they are up and coming. They do a pretty good job with the HS players with getting them into some top events and do a lot on the recruiting side with setting players up with a ConnectLax profile and guiding them through the process from what I have heard. Hope that helps at least for the future

I do not know much about their 2024 team but they are up and coming. They do a pretty good job with the HS players with getting them into some top events and do a lot on the recruiting side with setting players up with a ConnectLax profile and guiding them through the process from what I have heard. Hope that helps at least for the future[/quote]

If you are down to those two, I would go with Mad Dog over Shamrocks. If your kid is an A/AA player, they have a larger national presence with MD West and select team, MD will play some of the bigger tournaments...if you are open to other 2024 options, Tri-State central team should be in the discussion

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do not know much about their 2024 team but they are up and coming. They do a pretty good job with the HS players with getting them into some top events and do a lot on the recruiting side with setting players up with a ConnectLax profile and guiding them through the process from what I have heard. Hope that helps at least for the future

If you are down to those two, I would go with Mad Dog over Shamrocks. If your kid is an A/AA player, they have a larger national presence with MD West and select team, MD will play some of the bigger tournaments...if you are open to other 2024 options, Tri-State central team should be in the discussion [/quote]

The top Tri-State 2024 players all move to United? Something about coaching issues..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do not know much about their 2024 team but they are up and coming. They do a pretty good job with the HS players with getting them into some top events and do a lot on the recruiting side with setting players up with a ConnectLax profile and guiding them through the process from what I have heard. Hope that helps at least for the future

If you are down to those two, I would go with Mad Dog over Shamrocks. If your kid is an A/AA player, they have a larger national presence with MD West and select team, MD will play some of the bigger tournaments...if you are open to other 2024 options, Tri-State central team should be in the discussion

The top Tri-State 2024 players all move to United? Something about coaching issues.. [/quote]

The kids that went to united were from the 2024 shore team, not central... and it was all about politics. Most of top kids are on 2024 central

Any NJ clubs playing in any spring leagues?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any NJ clubs playing in any spring leagues?

The leagues, besides the winter are dying a slow death. I can't see them doing anything....what leagues were you thinking that anyone would do?

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any NJ clubs playing in any spring leagues?

The leagues, besides the winter are dying a slow death. I can't see them doing anything....what leagues were you thinking that anyone would do?

NXT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any NJ clubs playing in any spring leagues?

The leagues, besides the winter are dying a slow death. I can't see them doing anything....what leagues were you thinking that anyone would do?

NXT

Boys teams committed to the 2018 Mid-Atlantic Lacrosse League include:Brotherly Love, Chosen, Dukes Young Guns, Freedom, HEADstrong Lehigh Valley, NXT, Olde English, BBL, PA Roughriders, SJ Black Storm, Team 11, TeamTEN, Tri-State, Tribal & Uprising.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any NJ clubs playing in any spring leagues?

The leagues, besides the winter are dying a slow death. I can't see them doing anything....what leagues were you thinking that anyone would do?

NXT

Boys teams committed to the 2018 Mid-Atlantic Lacrosse League include:Brotherly Love, Chosen, Dukes Young Guns, Freedom, HEADstrong Lehigh Valley, NXT, Olde English, BBL, PA Roughriders, SJ Black Storm, Team 11, TeamTEN, Tri-State, Tribal & Uprising.

I didn't realize - thanks for the info

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any NJ clubs playing in any spring leagues?

The leagues, besides the winter are dying a slow death. I can't see them doing anything....what leagues were you thinking that anyone would do?

NXT

Boys teams committed to the 2018 Mid-Atlantic Lacrosse League include:Brotherly Love, Chosen, Dukes Young Guns, Freedom, HEADstrong Lehigh Valley, NXT, Olde English, BBL, PA Roughriders, SJ Black Storm, Team 11, TeamTEN, Tri-State, Tribal & Uprising.

I didn't realize - thanks for the info

would be nice to see Blue Star, Leading Edge, Mad Dog & Steps join the mix

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any NJ clubs playing in any spring leagues?

The leagues, besides the winter are dying a slow death. I can't see them doing anything....what leagues were you thinking that anyone would do?

NXT

Boys teams committed to the 2018 Mid-Atlantic Lacrosse League include:Brotherly Love, Chosen, Dukes Young Guns, Freedom, HEADstrong Lehigh Valley, NXT, Olde English, BBL, PA Roughriders, SJ Black Storm, Team 11, TeamTEN, Tri-State, Tribal & Uprising.

I didn't realize - thanks for the info

would be nice to see Blue Star, Leading Edge, Mad Dog & Steps join the mix

Not sure how man of those clubs run spring programs. You would think that they could do a similar league in NJ, but the top NJ teams seem to avoid each other, maybe to protect their brand. Then again, if you look at the trash talking on the MD, PA and NY forums, maybe it's a good thing.

Anyone know how the Team 91 NJ Supplemental Tryouts are going? Leading Edge South wasn't doing well, curious if name change helped.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know how the Team 91 NJ Supplemental Tryouts are going? Leading Edge South wasn't doing well, curious if name change helped.

Not sure that 91 affiliation is going to do anything for LE South, that program struggled in B tournaments the last few years. While lacrosse is growing rapidly in the local market, there simply are not enough players right now for all of the local clubs to field competitive teams. LE South is somewhat of an outlier, Mad Dog, United and Tri-State each have a relatively steady stream of loyal followers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know how the Team 91 NJ Supplemental Tryouts are going? Leading Edge South wasn't doing well, curious if name change helped.

Not sure that 91 affiliation is going to do anything for LE South, that program struggled in B tournaments the last few years. While lacrosse is growing rapidly in the local market, there simply are not enough players right now for all of the local clubs to field competitive teams. LE South is somewhat of an outlier, Mad Dog, United and Tri-State each have a relatively steady stream of loyal followers.

I agree. If you look at the other markets that they are in, they aren't so dominant like they are on Long Island. Will be interesting to see who will jump ship, especially the very first year.

Any Supplemental Tryouts for NJ team coming up or in the spring? My 6th grader is looking to try out for a summer team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Supplemental Tryouts for NJ team coming up or in the spring? My 6th grader is looking to try out for a summer team.

Just call the clubs you are interested in, my guess is that they would make an accommodation if they need players...just watch out for the money grab teams with 25 players on the roster

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Supplemental Tryouts for NJ team coming up or in the spring? My 6th grader is looking to try out for a summer team.

Just call the clubs you are interested in, my guess is that they would make an accommodation if they need players...just watch out for the money grab teams with 25 players on the roster

I certainly agree with the above post however, there are plenty of programs that will be in need of a player or two. Which area in NJ do you live? I serve as a moderator when I can and BOTC is going to be expanding into the other markets that have their own forum sections now so I do know they plan on posting both Boys & Girls teams tryouts and supplemental tryouts.

Originally Posted by MomOf6

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Supplemental Tryouts for NJ team coming up or in the spring? My 6th grader is looking to try out for a summer team.

Just call the clubs you are interested in, my guess is that they would make an accommodation if they need players...just watch out for the money grab teams with 25 players on the roster

I certainly agree with the above post however, there are plenty of programs that will be in need of a player or two. Which area in NJ do you live? I serve as a moderator when I can and BOTC is going to be expanding into the other markets that have their own forum sections now so I do know they plan on posting both Boys & Girls teams tryouts and supplemental tryouts.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by MomOf6

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Supplemental Tryouts for NJ team coming up or in the spring? My 6th grader is looking to try out for a summer team.

Just call the clubs you are interested in, my guess is that they would make an accommodation if they need players...just watch out for the money grab teams with 25 players on the roster

I certainly agree with the above post however, there are plenty of programs that will be in need of a player or two. Which area in NJ do you live? I serve as a moderator when I can and BOTC is going to be expanding into the other markets that have their own forum sections now so I do know they plan on posting both Boys & Girls teams tryouts and supplemental tryouts.

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United is usually willing to take on new players, but the 2024 team is a group that has been playing together for a while, not sure if it will be hard to break in to that team, maybe Tri State if they have an open slot on the 2024 shore team... not sure what the story is with Mad Dog 2024.. The truth is, if your kid is good, most teams will give him a shot...Has he been playing a for a while, town rec. or other spring programs. United does a lot of indoor training down in Oakhurst, you can pay per session, its a good way to get your foot in the door and meet the coaches.

It’s actually about 4-5 holdbacks, but we hey also have kids that play up a year too.

Any NJ Kids trying out for Warrior All America team?

O2 National Box Lacrosse in North Jersey are looking to add two players to their 2022 USBOXLA Nationals Team going to Huntington Beach, Ca in August. Email info@o2lacrossetraining.com if interested.

That 02 program seems to be getting good players and I think b/c they were heavily focused with box, the players transition well to the field lacrosse game

Can everyone share the fees they are paying for club lacrosse? Looking for full-year, less travel costs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can everyone share the fees they are paying for club lacrosse? Looking for full-year, less travel costs.

Seems that the quality teams all charge in between $2,300 and $3,000 for an all-inclusive price year round.

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can everyone share the fees they are paying for club lacrosse? Looking for full-year, less travel costs.

Seems that the quality teams all charge in between $2,300 and $3,000 for an all-inclusive price year round.

Probably a fair estimate, maybe higher in a few instances, but the real issue is value for the money. While every team does their standard 4 summer tournaments, the question is what are you getting for that money off-season. Fall tournaments are few and far between, so more a means to keep the lacrosse skills sharp. Winter is the big factor because you have some clubs that are very active playing competitive box, while other clubs simply run practices in a indoor facility. Spring is really the same as the fall unless your club is getting involved in a competitive spring league like NXT MId-Atlantic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can everyone share the fees they are paying for club lacrosse? Looking for full-year, less travel costs.

Seems that the quality teams all charge in between $2,300 and $3,000 for an all-inclusive price year round.

Probably a fair estimate, maybe higher in a few instances, but the real issue is value for the money. While every team does their standard 4 summer tournaments, the question is what are you getting for that money off-season. Fall tournaments are few and far between, so more a means to keep the lacrosse skills sharp. Winter is the big factor because you have some clubs that are very active playing competitive box, while other clubs simply run practices in a indoor facility. Spring is really the same as the fall unless your club is getting involved in a competitive spring league like NXT MId-Atlantic.

Not from NJ but I agree. It all depends on the quality which varies per grad year. For HS level players, if the team is going to top 'Recruiting Events' then paying in between that rate is Fair. Here on LI though, there are a couple teams that charge 4k which is insane. Do you due diligence to see what events and like the previous poster wrote, also check the quantity of practices in the Fall, Winter & Spring/Summer however, from what I have seen changed over the past 4 years, more teams are not really offering Fall practices and are primarily charging for the Winter-Summer with an option to pay for the Fall.

Not sure if NJ teams are doing the same but would be curious to know.

Originally Posted by LiLaxDad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can everyone share the fees they are paying for club lacrosse? Looking for full-year, less travel costs.

Seems that the quality teams all charge in between $2,300 and $3,000 for an all-inclusive price year round.

Probably a fair estimate, maybe higher in a few instances, but the real issue is value for the money. While every team does their standard 4 summer tournaments, the question is what are you getting for that money off-season. Fall tournaments are few and far between, so more a means to keep the lacrosse skills sharp. Winter is the big factor because you have some clubs that are very active playing competitive box, while other clubs simply run practices in a indoor facility. Spring is really the same as the fall unless your club is getting involved in a competitive spring league like NXT MId-Atlantic.

Not from NJ but I agree. It all depends on the quality which varies per grad year. For HS level players, if the team is going to top 'Recruiting Events' then paying in between that rate is Fair. Here on LI though, there are a couple teams that charge 4k which is insane. Do you due diligence to see what events and like the previous poster wrote, also check the quantity of practices in the Fall, Winter & Spring/Summer however, from what I have seen changed over the past 4 years, more teams are not really offering Fall practices and are primarily charging for the Winter-Summer with an option to pay for the Fall.

Not sure if NJ teams are doing the same but would be curious to know.

Some sell it as a complete package, others offer it a la carte for the off-season. Having to buy into the whole year seems contrary to the concept of wanting to encourage multi-sport athletes. As stated earlier, the biggest push has been with respect to competitive box, the number of clubs participating is growing fast. NJ has a lot of talent, but not the participation numbers like LI - competition is more fierce for spots on top LI clubs, so the top LI clubs have more leverage to push a costly all-in year round package.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by LiLaxDad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can everyone share the fees they are paying for club lacrosse? Looking for full-year, less travel costs.

Seems that the quality teams all charge in between $2,300 and $3,000 for an all-inclusive price year round.

Probably a fair estimate, maybe higher in a few instances, but the real issue is value for the money. While every team does their standard 4 summer tournaments, the question is what are you getting for that money off-season. Fall tournaments are few and far between, so more a means to keep the lacrosse skills sharp. Winter is the big factor because you have some clubs that are very active playing competitive box, while other clubs simply run practices in a indoor facility. Spring is really the same as the fall unless your club is getting involved in a competitive spring league like NXT MId-Atlantic.

Not from NJ but I agree. It all depends on the quality which varies per grad year. For HS level players, if the team is going to top 'Recruiting Events' then paying in between that rate is Fair. Here on LI though, there are a couple teams that charge 4k which is insane. Do you due diligence to see what events and like the previous poster wrote, also check the quantity of practices in the Fall, Winter & Spring/Summer however, from what I have seen changed over the past 4 years, more teams are not really offering Fall practices and are primarily charging for the Winter-Summer with an option to pay for the Fall.

Not sure if NJ teams are doing the same but would be curious to know.

Some sell it as a complete package, others offer it a la carte for the off-season. Having to buy into the whole year seems contrary to the concept of wanting to encourage multi-sport athletes. As stated earlier, the biggest push has been with respect to competitive box, the number of clubs participating is growing fast. NJ has a lot of talent, but not the participation numbers like LI - competition is more fierce for spots on top LI clubs, so the top LI clubs have more leverage to push a costly all-in year round package.

Excellent perspective however, LI is saturated with teams so with a plethora of alternatives, I can't comprehend why people pay some programs like fl$ & Igloo 4k when there are teams significantly cheaper and better

Originally Posted by Stickcheck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by LiLaxDad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can everyone share the fees they are paying for club lacrosse? Looking for full-year, less travel costs.

Seems that the quality teams all charge in between $2,300 and $3,000 for an all-inclusive price year round.

Probably a fair estimate, maybe higher in a few instances, but the real issue is value for the money. While every team does their standard 4 summer tournaments, the question is what are you getting for that money off-season. Fall tournaments are few and far between, so more a means to keep the lacrosse skills sharp. Winter is the big factor because you have some clubs that are very active playing competitive box, while other clubs simply run practices in a indoor facility. Spring is really the same as the fall unless your club is getting involved in a competitive spring league like NXT MId-Atlantic.

Not from NJ but I agree. It all depends on the quality which varies per grad year. For HS level players, if the team is going to top 'Recruiting Events' then paying in between that rate is Fair. Here on LI though, there are a couple teams that charge 4k which is insane. Do you due diligence to see what events and like the previous poster wrote, also check the quantity of practices in the Fall, Winter & Spring/Summer however, from what I have seen changed over the past 4 years, more teams are not really offering Fall practices and are primarily charging for the Winter-Summer with an option to pay for the Fall.

Not sure if NJ teams are doing the same but would be curious to know.

Some sell it as a complete package, others offer it a la carte for the off-season. Having to buy into the whole year seems contrary to the concept of wanting to encourage multi-sport athletes. As stated earlier, the biggest push has been with respect to competitive box, the number of clubs participating is growing fast. NJ has a lot of talent, but not the participation numbers like LI - competition is more fierce for spots on top LI clubs, so the top LI clubs have more leverage to push a costly all-in year round package.

Excellent perspective however, LI is saturated with teams so with a plethora of alternatives, I can't comprehend why people pay some programs like fl$ & Igloo 4k when there are teams significantly cheaper and better

People tend to get sucked in by the big name instead of what may be the best situation for their kid. 91 recently made a push into NJ, I'm curious to see how that plays out. The 91 model has not had close to the same success in markets outside of LI, but people hear the name and think that their kid will be the next Bandits all-star.

Anyone know anything about Thunder Lacrosse? My 2024 is looking for a team and his friends suggested Thunder.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about Thunder Lacrosse? My 2024 is looking for a team and his friends suggested Thunder.

What part of NJ are you in, and what level does your son play at. If your son is an A or AA level player, I do not think that Thunder is a club that you should be looking at, otherwise, peer recommendations are always a great start.

Originally Posted by Stickcheck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by LiLaxDad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJLaxr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can everyone share the fees they are paying for club lacrosse? Looking for full-year, less travel costs.

Seems that the quality teams all charge in between $2,300 and $3,000 for an all-inclusive price year round.

Probably a fair estimate, maybe higher in a few instances, but the real issue is value for the money. While every team does their standard 4 summer tournaments, the question is what are you getting for that money off-season. Fall tournaments are few and far between, so more a means to keep the lacrosse skills sharp. Winter is the big factor because you have some clubs that are very active playing competitive box, while other clubs simply run practices in a indoor facility. Spring is really the same as the fall unless your club is getting involved in a competitive spring league like NXT MId-Atlantic.

Not from NJ but I agree. It all depends on the quality which varies per grad year. For HS level players, if the team is going to top 'Recruiting Events' then paying in between that rate is Fair. Here on LI though, there are a couple teams that charge 4k which is insane. Do you due diligence to see what events and like the previous poster wrote, also check the quantity of practices in the Fall, Winter & Spring/Summer however, from what I have seen changed over the past 4 years, more teams are not really offering Fall practices and are primarily charging for the Winter-Summer with an option to pay for the Fall.

Not sure if NJ teams are doing the same but would be curious to know.

Some sell it as a complete package, others offer it a la carte for the off-season. Having to buy into the whole year seems contrary to the concept of wanting to encourage multi-sport athletes. As stated earlier, the biggest push has been with respect to competitive box, the number of clubs participating is growing fast. NJ has a lot of talent, but not the participation numbers like LI - competition is more fierce for spots on top LI clubs, so the top LI clubs have more leverage to push a costly all-in year round package.

Excellent perspective however, LI is saturated with teams so with a plethora of alternatives, I can't comprehend why people pay some programs like fl$ & Igloo 4k when there are teams significantly cheaper and better

Have you seen Igloo's uniforms? Fire!!!! That's where the money goes. But seriously, their unis are straight fire.

Probably a fair estimate, maybe higher in a few instances, but the real issue is value for the money. While every team does their standard 4 summer tournaments, the question is what are you getting for that money off-season. Fall tournaments are few and far between, so more a means to keep the lacrosse skills sharp. Winter is the big factor because you have some clubs that are very active playing competitive box, while other clubs simply run practices in a indoor facility. Spring is really the same as the fall unless your club is getting involved in a competitive spring league like NXT MId-Atlantic. [/quote]

Not from NJ but I agree. It all depends on the quality which varies per grad year. For HS level players, if the team is going to top 'Recruiting Events' then paying in between that rate is Fair. Here on LI though, there are a couple teams that charge 4k which is insane. Do you due diligence to see what events and like the previous poster wrote, also check the quantity of practices in the Fall, Winter & Spring/Summer however, from what I have seen changed over the past 4 years, more teams are not really offering Fall practices and are primarily charging for the Winter-Summer with an option to pay for the Fall.

Not sure if NJ teams are doing the same but would be curious to know. [/quote]

Some sell it as a complete package, others offer it a la carte for the off-season. Having to buy into the whole year seems contrary to the concept of wanting to encourage multi-sport athletes. As stated earlier, the biggest push has been with respect to competitive box, the number of clubs participating is growing fast. NJ has a lot of talent, but not the participation numbers like LI - competition is more fierce for spots on top LI clubs, so the top LI clubs have more leverage to push a costly all-in year round package. [/quote]

Excellent perspective however, LI is saturated with teams so with a plethora of alternatives, I can't comprehend why people pay some programs like fl$ & Igloo 4k when there are teams significantly cheaper and better
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Have you seen Igloo's uniforms? Fire!!!! That's where the money goes. But seriously, their unis are straight fire.[/quote]

The uniforms cost $50 at best...now you just need to account for the remaining $3,950..but glad to have your in-depth persepctive

NJ is a mess, too many teams and not enough good coaches. two and half good '21 teams, one '22, 2 if you include Mountain Lakes and one '23 team. younger teams are even a bigger mess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJ is a mess, too many teams and not enough good coaches. two and half good '21 teams, one '22, 2 if you include Mountain Lakes and one '23 team. younger teams are even a bigger mess.

I would be curious to know what '21, '22 and '23 teams you are talking about, and not sure where ML as a town program enters the discussion, but yes, the market is saturated right now and there are a lot of bad, or simply inexperienced, coaches out there, but the top teams at there respective age groups are very good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJ is a mess, too many teams and not enough good coaches. two and half good '21 teams, one '22, 2 if you include Mountain Lakes and one '23 team. younger teams are even a bigger mess.

I would be curious to know what '21, '22 and '23 teams you are talking about, and not sure where ML as a town program enters the discussion, but yes, the market is saturated right now and there are a lot of bad, or simply inexperienced, coaches out there, but the top teams at there respective age groups are very good

ML beats every '22 team but LE Elite.. that is how they enter the discussion.

What are the options in Northern Bergen?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJ is a mess, too many teams and not enough good coaches. two and half good '21 teams, one '22, 2 if you include Mountain Lakes and one '23 team. younger teams are even a bigger mess.

I would be curious to know what '21, '22 and '23 teams you are talking about, and not sure where ML as a town program enters the discussion, but yes, the market is saturated right now and there are a lot of bad, or simply inexperienced, coaches out there, but the top teams at there respective age groups are very good

ML beats every '22 team but LE Elite.. that is how they enter the discussion.

Interesting, didn't know that ML plays club programs...who are the '2l and '23 teams

ML is a great town team that beats sub-par club teams in lower level tournaments. No way does it beat LE Elite, BBL Black, Tri-State or South Jersey Black Storm. Laker Future even got beat by Red and Black (new Team 91 West team).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML is a great town team that beats sub-par club teams in lower level tournaments. No way does it beat LE Elite, BBL Black, Tri-State or South Jersey Black Storm. Laker Future even got beat by Red and Black (new Team 91 West team).

ML is a good, not great, town team...and I have seen a few teams handle them pretty easily in the town tournaments...definitely no match for LE, BBL, Tri-State or SJBS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJ is a mess, too many teams and not enough good coaches. two and half good '21 teams, one '22, 2 if you include Mountain Lakes and one '23 team. younger teams are even a bigger mess.

I would be curious to know what '21, '22 and '23 teams you are talking about, and not sure where ML as a town program enters the discussion, but yes, the market is saturated right now and there are a lot of bad, or simply inexperienced, coaches out there, but the top teams at there respective age groups are very good

ML beats every '22 team but LE Elite.. that is how they enter the discussion.

What other top NJ club team have they played

Not a good showing for Leading Edge this weekend. If you remove their '19 & '20 teams they only had one win all weekend. Not good for the "Best Club in NJ"

LE2023 was blown up and they had to scrape together a team this year. Lots of first year players. They probably won't win a game this summer. LE2024 is solid and they can build up each year going forward. The truth is that LE doesn't really focus on winning until high school and there is no better program in the state of NJ at that level. They play the best competition so wins/losses isn't the best metric.

Their 21 team lost to two pretty good teams in Mesa and 91
They always field competitive teams and they don’t play a soft schedule

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a good showing for Leading Edge this weekend. If you remove their '19 & '20 teams they only had one win all weekend. Not good for the "Best Club in NJ"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE2023 was blown up and they had to scrape together a team this year. Lots of first year players. They probably won't win a game this summer. LE2024 is solid and they can build up each year going forward. The truth is that LE doesn't really focus on winning until high school and there is no better program in the state of NJ at that level. They play the best competition so wins/losses isn't the best metric.

It's foolish to simply state that one club is better than the other as a general rule. We all know who the top clubs are in NJ and each seems to have their own dominant teams at certain age groups. In all fairness (and not a LE parent), while I do not think that the LE2023 team is the top 2023 team in the State, keep in mind who they were playing this weekend, not really a soft schedule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE2023 was blown up and they had to scrape together a team this year. Lots of first year players. They probably won't win a game this summer. LE2024 is solid and they can build up each year going forward. The truth is that LE doesn't really focus on winning until high school and there is no better program in the state of NJ at that level. They play the best competition so wins/losses isn't the best metric.

Are you staying to are giving up on the '23?

I wouldn't say give up. LE always pulls it together and has great teams eventually. Just a down year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE2023 was blown up and they had to scrape together a team this year. Lots of first year players. They probably won't win a game this summer. LE2024 is solid and they can build up each year going forward. The truth is that LE doesn't really focus on winning until high school and there is no better program in the state of NJ at that level. They play the best competition so wins/losses isn't the best metric.

Are you staying to are giving up on the '23?

I have no skin in the game. I'm with a different club but heard the LE 23's had a rough go of it, even against the less competitive teams. With their NLF schedule, it's going to be tough to compete this summer. They always seem to figure it out though, once they get to high school. I wouldn't count them out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE2023 was blown up and they had to scrape together a team this year. Lots of first year players. They probably won't win a game this summer. LE2024 is solid and they can build up each year going forward. The truth is that LE doesn't really focus on winning until high school and there is no better program in the state of NJ at that level. They play the best competition so wins/losses isn't the best metric.

Are you staying to are giving up on the '23?

I have no skin in the game. I'm with a different club but heard the LE 23's had a rough go of it, even against the less competitive teams. With their NLF schedule, it's going to be tough to compete this summer. They always seem to figure it out though, once they get to high school. I wouldn't count them out.

What happened to the 2023 team, did kids leave for another program,,,coaching change

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE2023 was blown up and they had to scrape together a team this year. Lots of first year players. They probably won't win a game this summer. LE2024 is solid and they can build up each year going forward. The truth is that LE doesn't really focus on winning until high school and there is no better program in the state of NJ at that level. They play the best competition so wins/losses isn't the best metric.

Are you staying to are giving up on the '23?

I have no skin in the game. I'm with a different club but heard the LE 23's had a rough go of it, even against the less competitive teams. With their NLF schedule, it's going to be tough to compete this summer. They always seem to figure it out though, once they get to high school. I wouldn't count them out.

What happened to the 2023 team, did kids leave for another program,,,coaching change

Heard they left for other clubs. Only the 2023’s. Not sure why.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE2023 was blown up and they had to scrape together a team this year. Lots of first year players. They probably won't win a game this summer. LE2024 is solid and they can build up each year going forward. The truth is that LE doesn't really focus on winning until high school and there is no better program in the state of NJ at that level. They play the best competition so wins/losses isn't the best metric.

Are you staying to are giving up on the '23?

I have no skin in the game. I'm with a different club but heard the LE 23's had a rough go of it, even against the less competitive teams. With their NLF schedule, it's going to be tough to compete this summer. They always seem to figure it out though, once they get to high school. I wouldn't count them out.

What happened to the 2023 team, did kids leave for another program,,,coaching change

Heard they left for other clubs. Only the 2023’s. Not sure why.

I'm sure a core group decided that the grass was green someplace else, and then other kids started jumping ship...or maybe they were not interested in the 91 affiliation and playing the NLF tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE2023 was blown up and they had to scrape together a team this year. Lots of first year players. They probably won't win a game this summer. LE2024 is solid and they can build up each year going forward. The truth is that LE doesn't really focus on winning until high school and there is no better program in the state of NJ at that level. They play the best competition so wins/losses isn't the best metric.

Are you staying to are giving up on the '23?

I have no skin in the game. I'm with a different club but heard the LE 23's had a rough go of it, even against the less competitive teams. With their NLF schedule, it's going to be tough to compete this summer. They always seem to figure it out though, once they get to high school. I wouldn't count them out.

What happened to the 2023 team, did kids leave for another program,,,coaching change

Heard they left for other clubs. Only the 2023’s. Not sure why.

I'm sure a core group decided that the grass was green someplace else, and then other kids started jumping ship...or maybe they were not interested in the 91 affiliation and playing the NLF tournaments.

Moved to Blue Star. Not sure if they would move back. Blue Star is a good program just too many players. They have an amazing '23 goalie, that only plays half the game. Watched FCA come back and beat them while he was on the sideline.

Are you staying to are giving up on the '23? [/quote]

I have no skin in the game. I'm with a different club but heard the LE 23's had a rough go of it, even against the less competitive teams. With their NLF schedule, it's going to be tough to compete this summer. They always seem to figure it out though, once they get to high school. I wouldn't count them out.[/quote]

What happened to the 2023 team, did kids leave for another program,,,coaching change[/quote]

Heard they left for other clubs. Only the 2023’s. Not sure why. [/quote]

I'm sure a core group decided that the grass was green someplace else, and then other kids started jumping ship...or maybe they were not interested in the 91 affiliation and playing the NLF tournaments.[/quote]

Moved to Blue Star. Not sure if they would move back. Blue Star is a good program just too many players. They have an amazing '23 goalie, that only plays half the game. Watched FCA come back and beat them while he was on the sideline.[/quote]

BS must have a pretty solid team, they got a quality win over Brotherly Love last weekend...definitely one of the top 2 or 3 2023 teams out of NJ.

BS must have a pretty solid team, they got a quality win over Brotherly Love last weekend...definitely one of the top 2 or 3 2023 teams out of NJ.[/quote]

Not to take anything away from BS but Brotherly Love was a different team on Sunday. Freedom & Brotherly Love were the best two teams and at another level.

Mad Dog looked good until their top pole broke his arm in the FCA game. Hard for 13-year-olds to play after watching a teammates forearm snap.

Tri-State Shore & BBL are the top teams. You can put the rest in one big group after that.

I saw the NJ Riot North 2019 team play this weekend at the Big 12 North American Club Lacrosse Championship and they have a darn good squad with a deep rotation of middies who can dodge and shoot the ball in the 90s and are very well coached team. Anyone else see them play and have any thoughts on them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS must have a pretty solid team, they got a quality win over Brotherly Love last weekend...definitely one of the top 2 or 3 2023 teams out of NJ.

Not to take anything away from BS but Brotherly Love was a different team on Sunday. Freedom & Brotherly Love were the best two teams and at another level.

Mad Dog looked good until their top pole broke his arm in the FCA game. Hard for 13-year-olds to play after watching a teammates forearm snap.

Tri-State Shore & BBL are the top teams. You can put the rest in one big group after that.[/quote]

The single A bracket is a challenging format for the A teams, BL and Freedom are typically in AA brackets. Perhaps BL brought in some reinforcements for Sunday

Look out for O2 Lacrosse..bunch of studs on those teams and a first year program...2022's ran the table at the NXT Meltdown this past weekend taking home the Cup! Keep your eyes out for them as getting to the top sooner rather then later.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look out for O2 Lacrosse..bunch of studs on those teams and a first year program...2022's ran the table at the NXT Meltdown this past weekend taking home the Cup! Keep your eyes out for them as getting to the top sooner rather then later.

Mad Dog beat Blue Star in the '22 A bracket. They do win best post of the week, a Great Fortnite reference by their coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look out for O2 Lacrosse..bunch of studs on those teams and a first year program...2022's ran the table at the NXT Meltdown this past weekend taking home the Cup! Keep your eyes out for them as getting to the top sooner rather then later.

I respect the enthusiasm, but they are playing B brackets, the game is a lot different in the A and AA brackets...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS must have a pretty solid team, they got a quality win over Brotherly Love last weekend...definitely one of the top 2 or 3 2023 teams out of NJ.

Not to take anything away from BS but Brotherly Love was a different team on Sunday. Freedom & Brotherly Love were the best two teams and at another level.

Mad Dog looked good until their top pole broke his arm in the FCA game. Hard for 13-year-olds to play after watching a teammates forearm snap.

Tri-State Shore & BBL are the top teams. You can put the rest in one big group after that.[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS must have a pretty solid team, they got a quality win over Brotherly Love last weekend...definitely one of the top 2 or 3 2023 teams out of NJ.

Not to take anything away from BS but Brotherly Love was a different team on Sunday. Freedom & Brotherly Love were the best two teams and at another level.

Mad Dog looked good until their top pole broke his arm in the FCA game. Hard for 13-year-olds to play after watching a teammates forearm snap.

Tri-State Shore & BBL are the top teams. You can put the rest in one big group after that.[/quote]

Seems pretty accurate. Where are Tri-State Shore kids from? Went to one of their tryouts and it was abismal. Do the current team members not tryout? They certainly have good results so not sure what was up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS must have a pretty solid team, they got a quality win over Brotherly Love last weekend...definitely one of the top 2 or 3 2023 teams out of NJ.

Not to take anything away from BS but Brotherly Love was a different team on Sunday. Freedom & Brotherly Love were the best two teams and at another level.

Mad Dog looked good until their top pole broke his arm in the FCA game. Hard for 13-year-olds to play after watching a teammates forearm snap.

Tri-State Shore & BBL are the top teams. You can put the rest in one big group after that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS must have a pretty solid team, they got a quality win over Brotherly Love last weekend...definitely one of the top 2 or 3 2023 teams out of NJ.

Not to take anything away from BS but Brotherly Love was a different team on Sunday. Freedom & Brotherly Love were the best two teams and at another level.

Mad Dog looked good until their top pole broke his arm in the FCA game. Hard for 13-year-olds to play after watching a teammates forearm snap.

Tri-State Shore & BBL are the top teams. You can put the rest in one big group after that.[/quote]

Seems pretty accurate. Where are Tri-State Shore kids from? Went to one of their tryouts and it was abismal. Do the current team members not tryout? They certainly have good results so not sure what was up.
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It seem that BroLove was a different team from Saturday to Sunday... TriState shore are out of North Jersey area. There is also a TriState Central team based out of Rutgers area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS must have a pretty solid team, they got a quality win over Brotherly Love last weekend...definitely one of the top 2 or 3 2023 teams out of NJ.

Not to take anything away from BS but Brotherly Love was a different team on Sunday. Freedom & Brotherly Love were the best two teams and at another level.

Mad Dog looked good until their top pole broke his arm in the FCA game. Hard for 13-year-olds to play after watching a teammates forearm snap.

Tri-State Shore & BBL are the top teams. You can put the rest in one big group after that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS must have a pretty solid team, they got a quality win over Brotherly Love last weekend...definitely one of the top 2 or 3 2023 teams out of NJ.

Not to take anything away from BS but Brotherly Love was a different team on Sunday. Freedom & Brotherly Love were the best two teams and at another level.

Mad Dog looked good until their top pole broke his arm in the FCA game. Hard for 13-year-olds to play after watching a teammates forearm snap.

Tri-State Shore & BBL are the top teams. You can put the rest in one big group after that.[/quote]

Seems pretty accurate. Where are Tri-State Shore kids from? Went to one of their tryouts and it was abismal. Do the current team members not tryout? They certainly have good results so not sure what was up.
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RFH kids that have been together for years. The '23 team is controlled by a group of Dads, old Shore Stars. They shopped the team and Tri-State took them. They started a Tri-State Shore '24 & '25. The '24s all jumped ship last year and the '25 have a couple of players. The top '25s will end up at Mad Dog, they have the best '25 team.
Not sure how long Tri-State Shore will last, would not be surprised if you don't see a few of the '23 move to LE next year based on what LE offers at the 8th-grade level and the other players start playing with Tri-State north.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS must have a pretty solid team, they got a quality win over Brotherly Love last weekend...definitely one of the top 2 or 3 2023 teams out of NJ.

Not to take anything away from BS but Brotherly Love was a different team on Sunday. Freedom & Brotherly Love were the best two teams and at another level.

Mad Dog looked good until their top pole broke his arm in the FCA game. Hard for 13-year-olds to play after watching a teammates forearm snap.

Tri-State Shore & BBL are the top teams. You can put the rest in one big group after that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS must have a pretty solid team, they got a quality win over Brotherly Love last weekend...definitely one of the top 2 or 3 2023 teams out of NJ.

Not to take anything away from BS but Brotherly Love was a different team on Sunday. Freedom & Brotherly Love were the best two teams and at another level.

Mad Dog looked good until their top pole broke his arm in the FCA game. Hard for 13-year-olds to play after watching a teammates forearm snap.

Tri-State Shore & BBL are the top teams. You can put the rest in one big group after that.

Seems pretty accurate. Where are Tri-State Shore kids from? Went to one of their tryouts and it was abismal. Do the current team members not tryout? They certainly have good results so not sure what was up.
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RFH kids that have been together for years. The '23 team is controlled by a group of Dads, old Shore Stars. They shopped the team and Tri-State took them. They started a Tri-State Shore '24 & '25. The '24s all jumped ship last year and the '25 have a couple of players. The top '25s will end up at Mad Dog, they have the best '25 team.
Not sure how long Tri-State Shore will last, would not be surprised if you don't see a few of the '23 move to LE next year based on what LE offers at the 8th-grade level and the other players start playing with Tri-State north.
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Monmouth County team....heavy with RFH kids, but a few other local kids mixed in...dads are not part of coaching mix anymore...as for LE, not sure why a kid would leave for an inferior 2023 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You are clearly a hater. What team are you speaking on behalf of? All that I was stating is the BBL should be considered in the conversation of being one of the Top Clubs in NJ. Not saying that we are the best but from top to bottom, we produce several college commitments and the middle school teams are competitive.

BBL was listed at the top NJ 2023 team. read the prior post. Come on Mom, you can't post if you're not willing to take a little

Take a look at the team without the re-classed kids. Tri-State beat them in the qualifiers. I spoke to one of the players and he was complaining that they had to pull up younger players to fill the void.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You are clearly a hater. What team are you speaking on behalf of? All that I was stating is the BBL should be considered in the conversation of being one of the Top Clubs in NJ. Not saying that we are the best but from top to bottom, we produce several college commitments and the middle school teams are competitive.

BBL was listed at the top NJ 2023 team. read the prior post. Come on Mom, you can't post if you're not willing to take a little

Take a look at the team without the re-classed kids. Tri-State beat them in the qualifiers. I spoke to one of the players and he was complaining that they had to pull up younger players to fill the void.

Tri-State '23 have kids that can't play for their WSYL team this year. Their best WSYL player last year was a LE kid. WSYL shouldn't anyone measuring stick.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You are clearly a hater. What team are you speaking on behalf of? All that I was stating is the BBL should be considered in the conversation of being one of the Top Clubs in NJ. Not saying that we are the best but from top to bottom, we produce several college commitments and the middle school teams are competitive.

BBL was listed at the top NJ 2023 team. read the prior post. Come on Mom, you can't post if you're not willing to take a little

Take a look at the team without the re-classed kids. Tri-State beat them in the qualifiers. I spoke to one of the players and he was complaining that they had to pull up younger players to fill the void.

Tri-State '23 have kids that can't play for their WSYL team this year. Their best WSYL player last year was a LE kid. WSYL shouldn't anyone measuring stick.

Age matters. If a team is full of re-classed kids it's a sham. Worse than steroids. For those of you who choose not to cheat - make sure you put your kid on at team where they can have fun and develop as players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You are clearly a hater. What team are you speaking on behalf of? All that I was stating is the BBL should be considered in the conversation of being one of the Top Clubs in NJ. Not saying that we are the best but from top to bottom, we produce several college commitments and the middle school teams are competitive.

BBL was listed at the top NJ 2023 team. read the prior post. Come on Mom, you can't post if you're not willing to take a little

Take a look at the team without the re-classed kids. Tri-State beat them in the qualifiers. I spoke to one of the players and he was complaining that they had to pull up younger players to fill the void.

Tri-State '23 have kids that can't play for their WSYL team this year. Their best WSYL player last year was a LE kid. WSYL shouldn't anyone measuring stick.

Is re-classed really the correct terminology, or are we simply talking about 7th graders that were born before 9/1/2004. A lot of teams have a few kids that miss the cut-off, but they are not "reclassed" in the sense of a holdback. Either way, I agree that the WSYL teams are probably not a good measure of the regular BBL vs. Tri-State 2023 teams, but I think that, putting aside the WSYL teams,the suggestion that they are the top two 2023 teams in the state is pretty accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You are clearly a hater. What team are you speaking on behalf of? All that I was stating is the BBL should be considered in the conversation of being one of the Top Clubs in NJ. Not saying that we are the best but from top to bottom, we produce several college commitments and the middle school teams are competitive.

BBL was listed at the top NJ 2023 team. read the prior post. Come on Mom, you can't post if you're not willing to take a little

Take a look at the team without the re-classed kids. Tri-State beat them in the qualifiers. I spoke to one of the players and he was complaining that they had to pull up younger players to fill the void.

Tri-State '23 have kids that can't play for their WSYL team this year. Their best WSYL player last year was a LE kid. WSYL shouldn't anyone measuring stick.

I will give credit to BBL for holding their tryouts in August. They have balls. All their parents will have to sign on with other clubs and wait it out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You are clearly a hater. What team are you speaking on behalf of? All that I was stating is the BBL should be considered in the conversation of being one of the Top Clubs in NJ. Not saying that we are the best but from top to bottom, we produce several college commitments and the middle school teams are competitive.

BBL was listed at the top NJ 2023 team. read the prior post. Come on Mom, you can't post if you're not willing to take a little

Take a look at the team without the re-classed kids. Tri-State beat them in the qualifiers. I spoke to one of the players and he was complaining that they had to pull up younger players to fill the void.

Tri-State '23 have kids that can't play for their WSYL team this year. Their best WSYL player last year was a LE kid. WSYL shouldn't anyone measuring stick.

Age matters. If a team is full of re-classed kids it's a sham. Worse than steroids. For those of you who choose not to cheat - make sure you put your kid on at team where they can have fun and develop as players.

Agreed - but reclassed is a much different situation than kids that do not make WSYL cut-off - so be careful about suggesting that a team has reclassed kids without knowing the facts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You are clearly a hater. What team are you speaking on behalf of? All that I was stating is the BBL should be considered in the conversation of being one of the Top Clubs in NJ. Not saying that we are the best but from top to bottom, we produce several college commitments and the middle school teams are competitive.

BBL was listed at the top NJ 2023 team. read the prior post. Come on Mom, you can't post if you're not willing to take a little

Take a look at the team without the re-classed kids. Tri-State beat them in the qualifiers. I spoke to one of the players and he was complaining that they had to pull up younger players to fill the void.

Tri-State '23 have kids that can't play for their WSYL team this year. Their best WSYL player last year was a LE kid. WSYL shouldn't anyone measuring stick.

Age matters. If a team is full of re-classed kids it's a sham. Worse than steroids. For those of you who choose not to cheat - make sure you put your kid on at team where they can have fun and develop as players.

Agreed - but reclassed is a much different situation than kids that do not make WSYL cut-off - so be careful about suggesting that a team has reclassed kids without knowing the facts

Yes. The WSYL is more lenient. In order to compete you must have been born after 9/1/2004. Anyone born before that date and playing on a 2023 team is a re class. They even leave a little room. I believe the cutoff in our town is October 1. I believe everything should be strictly age based.

Anyone know anything about Blue Star at the middle school levels? They have 3 teams at '23 when other clubs are struggling at that age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about Blue Star at the middle school levels? They have 3 teams at '23 when other clubs are struggling at that age.

The buzz has not been good this year. I know several parents and they are very unhappy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You are clearly a hater. What team are you speaking on behalf of? All that I was stating is the BBL should be considered in the conversation of being one of the Top Clubs in NJ. Not saying that we are the best but from top to bottom, we produce several college commitments and the middle school teams are competitive.

BBL was listed at the top NJ 2023 team. read the prior post. Come on Mom, you can't post if you're not willing to take a little

Take a look at the team without the re-classed kids. Tri-State beat them in the qualifiers. I spoke to one of the players and he was complaining that they had to pull up younger players to fill the void.

Tri-State '23 have kids that can't play for their WSYL team this year. Their best WSYL player last year was a LE kid. WSYL shouldn't anyone measuring stick.

Age matters. If a team is full of re-classed kids it's a sham. Worse than steroids. For those of you who choose not to cheat - make sure you put your kid on at team where they can have fun and develop as players.

Agreed - but reclassed is a much different situation than kids that do not make WSYL cut-off - so be careful about suggesting that a team has reclassed kids without knowing the facts

Yes. The WSYL is more lenient. In order to compete you must have been born after 9/1/2004. Anyone born before that date and playing on a 2023 team is a re class. They even leave a little room. I believe the cutoff in our town is October 1. I believe everything should be strictly age based.

Seems kind of odd that the re-class conversation is coming up in the NJ forum, it is not that common in NJ lacrosse... although I suspect that it may become more prevalent in the future (unless things change to age-based)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about Blue Star at the middle school levels? They have 3 teams at '23 when other clubs are struggling at that age.

As with any other club, it is difficult to group all the teams under one umbrella, most clubs are very different at each age group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about Blue Star at the middle school levels? They have 3 teams at '23 when other clubs are struggling at that age.

As with any other club, it is difficult to group all the teams under one umbrella, most clubs are very different at each age group

So, basically an A team, a B team and a money grab team. No team in new jersey can carry 3 strong teams at any age level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS must have a pretty solid team, they got a quality win over Brotherly Love last weekend...definitely one of the top 2 or 3 2023 teams out of NJ.

Not to take anything away from BS but Brotherly Love was a different team on Sunday. Freedom & Brotherly Love were the best two teams and at another level.

Mad Dog looked good until their top pole broke his arm in the FCA game. Hard for 13-year-olds to play after watching a teammates forearm snap.

Tri-State Shore & BBL are the top teams. You can put the rest in one big group after that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS must have a pretty solid team, they got a quality win over Brotherly Love last weekend...definitely one of the top 2 or 3 2023 teams out of NJ.

Not to take anything away from BS but Brotherly Love was a different team on Sunday. Freedom & Brotherly Love were the best two teams and at another level.

Mad Dog looked good until their top pole broke his arm in the FCA game. Hard for 13-year-olds to play after watching a teammates forearm snap.

Tri-State Shore & BBL are the top teams. You can put the rest in one big group after that.

Seems pretty accurate. Where are Tri-State Shore kids from? Went to one of their tryouts and it was abismal. Do the current team members not tryout? They certainly have good results so not sure what was up.

RFH kids that have been together for years. The '23 team is controlled by a group of Dads, old Shore Stars. They shopped the team and Tri-State took them. They started a Tri-State Shore '24 & '25. The '24s all jumped ship last year and the '25 have a couple of players. The top '25s will end up at Mad Dog, they have the best '25 team.
Not sure how long Tri-State Shore will last, would not be surprised if you don't see a few of the '23 move to LE next year based on what LE offers at the 8th-grade level and the other players start playing with Tri-State north.
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Monmouth County team....heavy with RFH kids, but a few other local kids mixed in...dads are not part of coaching mix anymore...as for LE, not sure why a kid would leave for an inferior 2023 team[/quote]

RFH has some strong ties to LE. LE will not be inferior within 2 months

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS must have a pretty solid team, they got a quality win over Brotherly Love last weekend...definitely one of the top 2 or 3 2023 teams out of NJ.

Not to take anything away from BS but Brotherly Love was a different team on Sunday. Freedom & Brotherly Love were the best two teams and at another level.

Mad Dog looked good until their top pole broke his arm in the FCA game. Hard for 13-year-olds to play after watching a teammates forearm snap.

Tri-State Shore & BBL are the top teams. You can put the rest in one big group after that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS must have a pretty solid team, they got a quality win over Brotherly Love last weekend...definitely one of the top 2 or 3 2023 teams out of NJ.

Not to take anything away from BS but Brotherly Love was a different team on Sunday. Freedom & Brotherly Love were the best two teams and at another level.

Mad Dog looked good until their top pole broke his arm in the FCA game. Hard for 13-year-olds to play after watching a teammates forearm snap.

Tri-State Shore & BBL are the top teams. You can put the rest in one big group after that.

Seems pretty accurate. Where are Tri-State Shore kids from? Went to one of their tryouts and it was abismal. Do the current team members not tryout? They certainly have good results so not sure what was up.

RFH kids that have been together for years. The '23 team is controlled by a group of Dads, old Shore Stars. They shopped the team and Tri-State took them. They started a Tri-State Shore '24 & '25. The '24s all jumped ship last year and the '25 have a couple of players. The top '25s will end up at Mad Dog, they have the best '25 team.
Not sure how long Tri-State Shore will last, would not be surprised if you don't see a few of the '23 move to LE next year based on what LE offers at the 8th-grade level and the other players start playing with Tri-State north.

Monmouth County team....heavy with RFH kids, but a few other local kids mixed in...dads are not part of coaching mix anymore...as for LE, not sure why a kid would leave for an inferior 2023 team[/quote]

RFH has some strong ties to LE. LE will not be inferior within 2 months[/quote]

Wow, BBL2023 getting into the holdback thing. Good team but sheesh.

Wow, BBL2023 getting into the holdback thing. Good team but sheesh. [/quote]

They have a good team, but Blue Hen A bracket was filled with a bunch of mediocre teams...BBL could beat them all with their WSYL team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about Blue Star at the middle school levels? They have 3 teams at '23 when other clubs are struggling at that age.

'23 BS had 18 kids on the sidelines this weekend. Not sure how parents can be happy with playtime.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, BBL2023 getting into the holdback thing. Good team but sheesh.

They have a good team, but Blue Hen A bracket was filled with a bunch of mediocre teams...BBL could beat them all with their WSYL team[/quote]

Maybe, but the world will never know. Interested to see how they do next weekend without 14 year olds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, BBL2023 getting into the holdback thing. Good team but sheesh.

They have a good team, but Blue Hen A bracket was filled with a bunch of mediocre teams...BBL could beat them all with their WSYL team

Maybe, but the world will never know. Interested to see how they do next weekend without 14 year olds.[/quote]

They have a pretty tough first day at the WSYL, the final standings at the qualifier really make a difference with the championship schedule.

What’s up with all these random Team 91 teams (South, West and East)? And how does this impact LE Elite? I guess brand doesn’t matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s up with all these random Team 91 teams (South, West and East)? And how does this impact LE Elite? I guess brand doesn’t matter.

It will just be another group of second-tier, or below, 91 teams...while there are a few instances of success by youth 91 teams outside of Long Island, 91 is not the place that top NJ youth lacrosse players will consider. That being said, when it comes to high school, there is no question that LE Elite has, and will continue to have, excellent high school aged teams. At the youth level, would my kid play for 91 Bandits or 91 Crush, sure...but not for the product being offered at the youth level in NJ, or the second tier 91 teams elsewhere like 91 warriors. The south team is simply the former LE South team that has never been competitive, even in the B bracket, and I have not heard much about Red and Black which will make up 91 west.

Any other '23 Blue Star kids jumping the over populated ship?

MV has bad karma. Blue star is founded on deception

Wow. BBL got smoked in their first game at the WSYL. 13 to 4.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. BBL got smoked in their first game at the WSYL. 13 to 4.

Not a surprise. They have a bunch of older kids on their '23 team who didn't qualify for this tourney. Average team once they play age appropriate.

Can anyone tell me who coaches the 2024 Mad Dog Squad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone tell me who coaches the 2024 Mad Dog Squad.

Someone said Sean Cunningham, Manasquan HS, will be picking them up next year. He has the '22s but cannot coach them when they get into high school.

Can anyone tell me why Tri-State is only sending their 26/27 teams to their own tournament?

Why would Tri-State & Leading Edge have events on the same weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone tell me why Tri-State is only sending their 26/27 teams to their own tournament?

Why would Tri-State & Leading Edge have events on the same weekend?

TriState is sending more than just their '26 but agree not sure why on the same weekend!

I'm I the only one who is just totally mind blown by how money grubbing these clubs have become? As the emails land in my mailbox I vomit a little each time.

I think a $2,250 price range is fair because they have costs (coaches, tournaments, uniforms, hotels, insurance, fields, etc) but anything above that especially in the 3s or even 4s in straight robbery and insane how they get away with it. There is a NEW club on LI and they are charging 3rd graders over 2300 and with younger kids, the tournaments are much cheaper so its crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm I the only one who is just totally mind blown by how money grubbing these clubs have become? As the emails land in my mailbox I vomit a little each time.

Actually, I will pay a lot for quality coaching and good organization - but the amount of expansion of these clubs takes away from the core focus. Core teams. They get greedy quick. Even taking large sums of money from parents in order to get their kid on a specific team. Many of these club teams are under performing - yet they are expanding. Don't get me wrong. There are a couple of people with their heads in the right place -- but buyer beware.

The costs are high, but many clubs will work with you. If you think about it annually, 200$ a month is nothing compared to tennis lessons, golf lessons. And at least it’s all pretty local (tournaments within a few hours) and at reasonable hours. Imagine hockey.

I don’t have girls so don’t know about gymnastics and other sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone tell me why Tri-State is only sending their 26/27 teams to their own tournament?

Why would Tri-State & Leading Edge have events on the same weekend?

TriState is sending more than just their '26 but agree not sure why on the same weekend!

Different demographics, LE has many of the NLF teams

Which Riot program is typically stronger from top to bottom ? Morris or North ? Or does it vary on grad year? Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, BBL2023 getting into the holdback thing. Good team but sheesh.

They have a good team, but Blue Hen A bracket was filled with a bunch of mediocre teams...BBL could beat them all with their WSYL team[/quote]

Interesting point about BBL, looks like the BBL North team played True National on Sunday at Tri-lax final and got beat pretty good at 11-3, the following day at Naptown, BBL Elite team lost 13-2 to the same True National team. North team must be a new additional to the BBL group. Different kids or mixed team from Elite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, BBL2023 getting into the holdback thing. Good team but sheesh.

They have a good team, but Blue Hen A bracket was filled with a bunch of mediocre teams...BBL could beat them all with their WSYL team

Interesting point about BBL, looks like the BBL North team played True National on Sunday at Tri-lax final and got beat pretty good at 11-3, the following day at Naptown, BBL Elite team lost 13-2 to the same True National team. North team must be a new additional to the BBL group. Different kids or mixed team from Elite?[/quote]
90% of parents with boys born in the summer hold their boys in kindergarten so enough with the WSYL cutoff being some magical date.

I have no kid that plays for BBL and was at Naptown. BBL looked like a non-hold back team, their big kids had baby faces and moved like 7th graders. They might have a couple of summer birthdays but Ture, Dukes, Hawks and Team Baltimore are at a different level. Even the team from Texas that was not good had 10+ holdbacks.

BBL is one of the top '23 teams in NJ.

It would be interesting if the NJ club owners could do what's best for the kids and start a Sunday spring league. Until NJs top clubs & players break away from town lacrosse they will never compete with the top teams in Maryland. At least provide additional opportunities to play at a high level but that would require effort from the clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, BBL2023 getting into the holdback thing. Good team but sheesh.

They have a good team, but Blue Hen A bracket was filled with a bunch of mediocre teams...BBL could beat them all with their WSYL team

Interesting point about BBL, looks like the BBL North team played True National on Sunday at Tri-lax final and got beat pretty good at 11-3, the following day at Naptown, BBL Elite team lost 13-2 to the same True National team. North team must be a new additional to the BBL group. Different kids or mixed team from Elite?

90% of parents with boys born in the summer hold their boys in kindergarten so enough with the WSYL cutoff being some magical date.

I have no kid that plays for BBL and was at Naptown. BBL looked like a non-hold back team, their big kids had baby faces and moved like 7th graders. They might have a couple of summer birthdays but Ture, Dukes, Hawks and Team Baltimore are at a different level. Even the team from Texas that was not good had 10+ holdbacks.

BBL is one of the top '23 teams in NJ.

It would be interesting if the NJ club owners could do what's best for the kids and start a Sunday spring league. Until NJs top clubs & players break away from town lacrosse they will never compete with the top teams in Maryland. At least provide additional opportunities to play at a high level but that would require effort from the clubs.
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Great idea, but none of the NJ clubs want to risk losing players to another club. The market is so diluted right now that it is hard to assemble a high level competitive team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, BBL2023 getting into the holdback thing. Good team but sheesh.

They have a good team, but Blue Hen A bracket was filled with a bunch of mediocre teams...BBL could beat them all with their WSYL team

Interesting point about BBL, looks like the BBL North team played True National on Sunday at Tri-lax final and got beat pretty good at 11-3, the following day at Naptown, BBL Elite team lost 13-2 to the same True National team. North team must be a new additional to the BBL group. Different kids or mixed team from Elite?

90% of parents with boys born in the summer hold their boys in kindergarten so enough with the WSYL cutoff being some magical date.

I have no kid that plays for BBL and was at Naptown. BBL looked like a non-hold back team, their big kids had baby faces and moved like 7th graders. They might have a couple of summer birthdays but Ture, Dukes, Hawks and Team Baltimore are at a different level. Even the team from Texas that was not good had 10+ holdbacks.

BBL is one of the top '23 teams in NJ.

It would be interesting if the NJ club owners could do what's best for the kids and start a Sunday spring league. Until NJs top clubs & players break away from town lacrosse they will never compete with the top teams in Maryland. At least provide additional opportunities to play at a high level but that would require effort from the clubs.
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The Sunday league would be great and I'm sure it would succeed. I'm sure the concern is the town teams would slowly die off. The concern for many would be an escalation of club fees to the point it gets unreachable for many.

Saw results of bash at beach tourney, leading edge got spanked in final championship game by a town team on LI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw results of bash at beach tourney, leading edge got spanked in final championship game by a town team on LI.

That "town team" is way better than any NJ club team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw results of bash at beach tourney, leading edge got spanked in final championship game by a town team on LI.

That "town team" is way better than any NJ club team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw results of bash at beach tourney, leading edge got spanked in final championship game by a town team on LI.

That "town team" is way better than any NJ club team.

That was an A level LI town team playing in a B tournament. LE 2023 is not, and has not been for the last few years, a competitive team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw results of bash at beach tourney, leading edge got spanked in final championship game by a town team on LI.

That "town team" is way better than any NJ club team.

That was an A level LI town team playing in a B tournament. LE 2023 is not, and has not been for the last few years, a competitive team.

Why do you care?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw results of bash at beach tourney, leading edge got spanked in final championship game by a town team on LI.

That "town team" is way better than any NJ club team.

That was an A level LI town team playing in a B tournament. LE 2023 is not, and has not been for the last few years, a competitive team.

Why do you care?

Because the results are being used to draw the conclusion that 3 villages is better than any NJ club team, simply not the case

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Saw results of bash at beach tourney, leading edge got spanked in final championship game by a town team on LI.

That "town team" is way better than any NJ club team.

That was an A level LI town team playing in a B tournament. LE 2023 is not, and has not been for the last few years, a competitive team.

Why do you care?

Because the results are being used to draw the conclusion that 3 villages is better than any NJ club team, simply not the case[/quote

Sorry to break it to you, but they are. BBL might give them a game but I'd say the Ward Melville kids are better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, BBL2023 getting into the holdback thing. Good team but sheesh.

They have a good team, but Blue Hen A bracket was filled with a bunch of mediocre teams...BBL could beat them all with their WSYL team

Interesting point about BBL, looks like the BBL North team played True National on Sunday at Tri-lax final and got beat pretty good at 11-3, the following day at Naptown, BBL Elite team lost 13-2 to the same True National team. North team must be a new additional to the BBL group. Different kids or mixed team from Elite?

90% of parents with boys born in the summer hold their boys in kindergarten so enough with the WSYL cutoff being some magical date.

I have no kid that plays for BBL and was at Naptown. BBL looked like a non-hold back team, their big kids had baby faces and moved like 7th graders. They might have a couple of summer birthdays but Ture, Dukes, Hawks and Team Baltimore are at a different level. Even the team from Texas that was not good had 10+ holdbacks.

BBL is one of the top '23 teams in NJ.

It would be interesting if the NJ club owners could do what's best for the kids and start a Sunday spring league. Until NJs top clubs & players break away from town lacrosse they will never compete with the top teams in Maryland. At least provide additional opportunities to play at a high level but that would require effort from the clubs.

BBL def has holdbacks but at normal levels after WSYL. 100% right about other teams that are dominated by holdbacks. They don't even recognize holdbacks as a term, their normal is just way older kids. Sorry state of affairs-- clubs know they just older, bigger boys to win. Hope BBL doesnt chase after it but that model works for wins.

What happened to Tri-State at 2023 National Championship? 1-3 and they lost to 2Way who got beat by both Blue Star and Mad Dog this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, BBL2023 getting into the holdback thing. Good team but sheesh.

They have a good team, but Blue Hen A bracket was filled with a bunch of mediocre teams...BBL could beat them all with their WSYL team

Interesting point about BBL, looks like the BBL North team played True National on Sunday at Tri-lax final and got beat pretty good at 11-3, the following day at Naptown, BBL Elite team lost 13-2 to the same True National team. North team must be a new additional to the BBL group. Different kids or mixed team from Elite?

90% of parents with boys born in the summer hold their boys in kindergarten so enough with the WSYL cutoff being some magical date.

I have no kid that plays for BBL and was at Naptown. BBL looked like a non-hold back team, their big kids had baby faces and moved like 7th graders. They might have a couple of summer birthdays but Ture, Dukes, Hawks and Team Baltimore are at a different level. Even the team from Texas that was not good had 10+ holdbacks.

BBL is one of the top '23 teams in NJ.

It would be interesting if the NJ club owners could do what's best for the kids and start a Sunday spring league. Until NJs top clubs & players break away from town lacrosse they will never compete with the top teams in Maryland. At least provide additional opportunities to play at a high level but that would require effort from the clubs.

Maybe 90% of rich white kids who will probably play lacrosse get held back if they were born in the summer. For the rest of the population, they don’t. Bottom line - If your kid was born before the school year starts, they’re a holdback. Not saying it isn’t in the best interest for the kid, some need it. It’s just something that needs perspective. If your kid (or kids on your team) is/are in that category, just be mindful that they have a short term advantage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to Tri-State at 2023 National Championship? 1-3 and they lost to 2Way who got beat by both Blue Star and Mad Dog this summer.

They did fine. Why is everyone obsessed with wins? These kids are 13 and probably playing against older kids. They more than held their own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw results of bash at beach tourney, leading edge got spanked in final championship game by a town team on LI.

Playing 5 games in one day with a 13 man roster takes its toll, particularly against a Ward Melville team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to Tri-State at 2023 National Championship? 1-3 and they lost to 2Way who got beat by both Blue Star and Mad Dog this summer.

They did fine. Why is everyone obsessed with wins? These kids are 13 and probably playing against older kids. They more than held their own.

So true, they play on age and almost beat Express...probably a BBL parent looking for some validation that they are the greatest team in NJ, guess what, nobody cares

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to Tri-State at 2023 National Championship? 1-3 and they lost to 2Way who got beat by both Blue Star and Mad Dog this summer.

They did fine. Why is everyone obsessed with wins? These kids are 13 and probably playing against older kids. They more than held their own.

So true, they play on age and almost beat Express...probably a BBL parent looking for some validation that they are the greatest team in NJ, guess what, nobody cares

Anyone know what is going on with Tri-States tryouts? Are their AA teams coming out of Central, Shore or Both? The Instagram post was unclear.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to Tri-State at 2023 National Championship? 1-3 and they lost to 2Way who got beat by both Blue Star and Mad Dog this summer.

They did fine. Why is everyone obsessed with wins? These kids are 13 and probably playing against older kids. They more than held their own.

So true, they play on age and almost beat Express...probably a BBL parent looking for some validation that they are the greatest team in NJ, guess what, nobody cares

Anyone know what is going on with Tri-States tryouts? Are their AA teams coming out of Central, Shore or Both? The Instagram post was unclear.

AA teams will pull top kids from regional teams (i.e. Central, Shore, etc.) on to one centralized team, plus any additions from tryouts. Regional teams will stay intact, but will probably play A schedule. Hope that helps.

Agree. They play down a grade in tournaments

I've seen the 23' beat O2, GSLA, NJLA , NJ Select LC, 3D Garden State ; Have seen the 22's beat Upper Level, GLSA, Team 11, LI Empire -Green and Mad Dog this year alone
Remember, this is a 'Town' team coming from a town of about 4k.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've seen the 23' beat O2, GSLA, NJLA , NJ Select LC, 3D Garden State ; Have seen the 22's beat Upper Level, GLSA, Team 11, LI Empire -Green and Mad Dog this year alone
Remember, this is a 'Town' team coming from a town of about 4k.

So it started that they can beat any NJ club team... now we should remember that this is a town team from of a town of about 4k people...things have certainly changed...not one of the NJ teams listed is considered a top NJ club team....I believe that Mad Dog is the only team that plays A bracket tournaments, and they are average at best...the rest are B teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've seen the 23' beat O2, GSLA, NJLA , NJ Select LC, 3D Garden State ; Have seen the 22's beat Upper Level, GLSA, Team 11, LI Empire -Green and Mad Dog this year alone
Remember, this is a 'Town' team coming from a town of about 4k.

So it started that they can beat any NJ club team... now we should remember that this is a town team from of a town of about 4k people...things have certainly changed...not one of the NJ teams listed is considered a top NJ club team....I believe that Mad Dog is the only team that plays A bracket tournaments, and they are average at best...the rest are B teams

Correction...I see that you were referring to Mad Dog '22 team not '23 team, so no context there...but at the '23 level, BBL Elite and Tri-State Shore are typically the strongest teams out of NJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've seen the 23' beat O2, GSLA, NJLA , NJ Select LC, 3D Garden State ; Have seen the 22's beat Upper Level, GLSA, Team 11, LI Empire -Green and Mad Dog this year alone
Remember, this is a 'Town' team coming from a town of about 4k.

So it started that they can beat any NJ club team... now we should remember that this is a town team from of a town of about 4k people...things have certainly changed...not one of the NJ teams listed is considered a top NJ club team....I believe that Mad Dog is the only team that plays A bracket tournaments, and they are average at best...the rest are B teams

Correction...I see that you were referring to Mad Dog '22 team not '23 team, so no context there...but at the '23 level, BBL Elite and Tri-State Shore are typically the strongest teams out of NJ

And even those two aren’t very strong in the grand scheme of things.

Hey where can I get an pinion about joining leading edge young team (2026). I know they are known for older kids, is it better to wait?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've seen the 23' beat O2, GSLA, NJLA , NJ Select LC, 3D Garden State ; Have seen the 22's beat Upper Level, GLSA, Team 11, LI Empire -Green and Mad Dog this year alone
Remember, this is a 'Town' team coming from a town of about 4k.

So it started that they can beat any NJ club team... now we should remember that this is a town team from of a town of about 4k people...things have certainly changed...not one of the NJ teams listed is considered a top NJ club team....I believe that Mad Dog is the only team that plays A bracket tournaments, and they are average at best...the rest are B teams

Correction...I see that you were referring to Mad Dog '22 team not '23 team, so no context there...but at the '23 level, BBL Elite and Tri-State Shore are typically the strongest teams out of NJ

Tri-Stare Shore is dead, all kids moving to other teams or going to Tri-State Central
At '23 BBL Elite is the top team with Blue Star behind it. Blue Star will get better with new kids and if they trim their roster.
Leading Edge Elite was very weak but will be strong next year after 5 to 10 kids reclass from '22.
Tri-State all moving to central but major issues
Mad Dog '23 does play AA but loses 3rd game of day because of numbers, they are 3 to 5 players away from being a real AA team.
NJ Riot - AA team and A teams. Parents not on AA are unhappy. Not sure what parents are watching if they think their kids are AA.

Every club in NJ has issues. Parents all complain about the same things, outside of maybe BBL & Blue Star: Communication is a joke, lack of any player development and bottom 5 kids on the roster are a money grab.

Yes, heard about tri-state shore issues, there are some good players on that team, might be a solid central team if they hold on to the right players and get a few replacements
I agree BBL elite is looking like the front runner right now, the team has really improved this season
Not sure what to think about Blue Star, I heard that there were a ton of players on the team this year, might be some unhappy parents who decide to move on.
The real issue for the NJ teams is that, other than a few instances, they don't really play the holdback game, so it really puts them at a disadvantage playing in the AA national tournaments. I'm sure that you will see some clubs move towards playing kids down in order to compete, for example, how can a team like Leading Edge expect to compete in the NLF with on-age teams, it was not pretty this past summer.

It's better to wait until 7/8th or high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's better to wait until 7/8th or high school.

To reclass?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey where can I get an pinion about joining leading edge young team (2026). I know they are known for older kids, is it better to wait?

It's better to wait until 7/8th or high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's better to wait until 7/8th or high school.

To reclass?

No, to join Leading Edge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's better to wait until 7/8th or high school.

To reclass?

No, to join Leading Edge.

8th grade seems to be the time to make the move if you are interested in LE, but unconfirmed rumor is that LE will be playing kids down a year, probably the only way they can compete in NLF

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've seen the 23' beat O2, GSLA, NJLA , NJ Select LC, 3D Garden State ; Have seen the 22's beat Upper Level, GLSA, Team 11, LI Empire -Green and Mad Dog this year alone
Remember, this is a 'Town' team coming from a town of about 4k.

So it started that they can beat any NJ club team... now we should remember that this is a town team from of a town of about 4k people...things have certainly changed...not one of the NJ teams listed is considered a top NJ club team....I believe that Mad Dog is the only team that plays A bracket tournaments, and they are average at best...the rest are B teams

Correction...I see that you were referring to Mad Dog '22 team not '23 team, so no context there...but at the '23 level, BBL Elite and Tri-State Shore are typically the strongest teams out of NJ

Tri-Stare Shore is dead, all kids moving to other teams or going to Tri-State Central
At '23 BBL Elite is the top team with Blue Star behind it. Blue Star will get better with new kids and if they trim their roster.
Leading Edge Elite was very weak but will be strong next year after 5 to 10 kids reclass from '22.
Tri-State all moving to central but major issues
Mad Dog '23 does play AA but loses 3rd game of day because of numbers, they are 3 to 5 players away from being a real AA team.
NJ Riot - AA team and A teams. Parents not on AA are unhappy. Not sure what parents are watching if they think their kids are AA.

Every club in NJ has issues. Parents all complain about the same things, outside of maybe BBL & Blue Star: Communication is a joke, lack of any player development and bottom 5 kids on the roster are a money grab.

Mad Dog plays some AA teams in tournaments when there is only one 2023 blended A division, if there is an AA and A bracket, Mad Dog plays A. No shame in playing A, but let's be honest. They will definitely get better with some player adjustments, but I do know that some people are turned off from Mad Dog because they rely heavily on local kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've seen the 23' beat O2, GSLA, NJLA , NJ Select LC, 3D Garden State ; Have seen the 22's beat Upper Level, GLSA, Team 11, LI Empire -Green and Mad Dog this year alone
Remember, this is a 'Town' team coming from a town of about 4k.

So it started that they can beat any NJ club team... now we should remember that this is a town team from of a town of about 4k people...things have certainly changed...not one of the NJ teams listed is considered a top NJ club team....I believe that Mad Dog is the only team that plays A bracket tournaments, and they are average at best...the rest are B teams

Correction...I see that you were referring to Mad Dog '22 team not '23 team, so no context there...but at the '23 level, BBL Elite and Tri-State Shore are typically the strongest teams out of NJ

Tri-Stare Shore is dead, all kids moving to other teams or going to Tri-State Central
At '23 BBL Elite is the top team with Blue Star behind it. Blue Star will get better with new kids and if they trim their roster.
Leading Edge Elite was very weak but will be strong next year after 5 to 10 kids reclass from '22.
Tri-State all moving to central but major issues
Mad Dog '23 does play AA but loses 3rd game of day because of numbers, they are 3 to 5 players away from being a real AA team.
NJ Riot - AA team and A teams. Parents not on AA are unhappy. Not sure what parents are watching if they think their kids are AA.

Every club in NJ has issues. Parents all complain about the same things, outside of maybe BBL & Blue Star: Communication is a joke, lack of any player development and bottom 5 kids on the roster are a money grab.

Mad Dog plays some AA teams in tournaments when there is only one 2023 blended A division, if there is an AA and A bracket, Mad Dog plays A. No shame in playing A, but let's be honest. They will definitely get better with some player adjustments, but I do know that some people are turned off from Mad Dog because they rely heavily on local kids.

And the other statement you make is that Mad Dog is 3-5 players away from being a real AA team, not an easy find in the market

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've seen the 23' beat O2, GSLA, NJLA , NJ Select LC, 3D Garden State ; Have seen the 22's beat Upper Level, GLSA, Team 11, LI Empire -Green and Mad Dog this year alone
Remember, this is a 'Town' team coming from a town of about 4k.

So it started that they can beat any NJ club team... now we should remember that this is a town team from of a town of about 4k people...things have certainly changed...not one of the NJ teams listed is considered a top NJ club team....I believe that Mad Dog is the only team that plays A bracket tournaments, and they are average at best...the rest are B teams

Correction...I see that you were referring to Mad Dog '22 team not '23 team, so no context there...but at the '23 level, BBL Elite and Tri-State Shore are typically the strongest teams out of NJ

Tri-Stare Shore is dead, all kids moving to other teams or going to Tri-State Central
At '23 BBL Elite is the top team with Blue Star behind it. Blue Star will get better with new kids and if they trim their roster.
Leading Edge Elite was very weak but will be strong next year after 5 to 10 kids reclass from '22.
Tri-State all moving to central but major issues
Mad Dog '23 does play AA but loses 3rd game of day because of numbers, they are 3 to 5 players away from being a real AA team.
NJ Riot - AA team and A teams. Parents not on AA are unhappy. Not sure what parents are watching if they think their kids are AA.

Every club in NJ has issues. Parents all complain about the same things, outside of maybe BBL & Blue Star: Communication is a joke, lack of any player development and bottom 5 kids on the roster are a money grab.

Mad Dog plays some AA teams in tournaments when there is only one 2023 blended A division, if there is an AA and A bracket, Mad Dog plays A. No shame in playing A, but let's be honest. They will definitely get better with some player adjustments, but I do know that some people are turned off from Mad Dog because they rely heavily on local kids.

And the other statement you make is that Mad Dog is 3-5 players away from being a real AA team, not an easy find in the market

You seem to be wired in at Mad Dog. Did they pick up any new players?

Tri-Stare Shore is dead, all kids moving to other teams or going to Tri-State Central
At '23 BBL Elite is the top team with Blue Star behind it. Blue Star will get better with new kids and if they trim their roster.
Leading Edge Elite was very weak but will be strong next year after 5 to 10 kids reclass from '22.
Tri-State all moving to central but major issues
Mad Dog '23 does play AA but loses 3rd game of day because of numbers, they are 3 to 5 players away from being a real AA team.
NJ Riot - AA team and A teams. Parents not on AA are unhappy. Not sure what parents are watching if they think their kids are AA.

Every club in NJ has issues. Parents all complain about the same things, outside of maybe BBL & Blue Star: Communication is a joke, lack of any player development and bottom 5 kids on the roster are a money grab.
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Mad Dog plays some AA teams in tournaments when there is only one 2023 blended A division, if there is an AA and A bracket, Mad Dog plays A. No shame in playing A, but let's be honest. They will definitely get better with some player adjustments, but I do know that some people are turned off from Mad Dog because they rely heavily on local kids. [/quote]

And the other statement you make is that Mad Dog is 3-5 players away from being a real AA team, not an easy find in the market[/quote]

You seem to be wired in at Mad Dog. Did they pick up any new players? [/quote]

Not really wired into Mad Dog, but it is a small market, most people involved with club lacrosse in the area know what is going on with each team, and who the top players are, no idea if they picked anybody up after tryouts. Obviously, the best option for players would have been tri-state shore 2023 kids, but I haven't heard about any of them going to Mad Dog

Any advice on what clubs to join for 2026? Is that too young to join a top club as I heard most of them turn over talent. My son is on a local club team(highschool coach) but did make a more competitive top club (not bbl).

For instance should we tryout for patriots or leading edge next year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any advice on what clubs to join for 2026? Is that too young to join a top club as I heard most of them turn over talent. My son is on a local club team(highschool coach) but did make a more competitive top club (not bbl).

For instance should we tryout for patriots or leading edge next year?

Probably not a huge deal right now, it seems that most people really start to evaluate their situation around 7th or 8th grade. Right now, if your kid is good enough to play for a top club, it is probably a good move, he will just get frustrated at a less competitive level and will stall in his development. I went through the same situation with my son and the move to a club that plays a tougher schedule was a huge positive for his development, but to be honest, it was an adjustment not being the top dog on a local club anymore, the game starts to move much faster and it gets a little more complicated because they will run more complex plays.

Thanks for the advice. Maybe we will stick with more low key for one more year. Even though he did get an offer to join a top club. I don’t want him
To burn out.

When did your son join a more competitive club. He had a lot of fun this past year with lost of playing time but also got annoyed because a bunch of the kids kind of goof off.

Do you think a top club won’t offer a stop next year (6th) if we turned down in 5th, seems most clubs like to mix up thier talent as kids get older anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks for the advice. Maybe we will stick with more low key for one more year. Even though he did get an offer to join a top club. I don’t want him
To burn out.

When did your son join a more competitive club. He had a lot of fun this past year with lost of playing time but also got annoyed because a bunch of the kids kind of goof off.

Do you think a top club won’t offer a stop next year (6th) if we turned down in 5th, seems most clubs like to mix up thier talent as kids get older anyway.

He did the change between 6th and 7th grade, it was the right opportunity at the right time. Every club has tryouts every year, so there is little chance that your son would not have an opportunity later on. As you can see by the posts above, there is a lot of moving around come eighth grade (along with reclassing, which seems to be a trend catching on in NJ) because kids are starting to think about high school, exposure, etc.. If your son is a good fit for a particular team, he will have a spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks for the advice. Maybe we will stick with more low key for one more year. Even though he did get an offer to join a top club. I don’t want him
To burn out.

When did your son join a more competitive club. He had a lot of fun this past year with lost of playing time but also got annoyed because a bunch of the kids kind of goof off.

Do you think a top club won’t offer a stop next year (6th) if we turned down in 5th, seems most clubs like to mix up thier talent as kids get older anyway.

If he has friends on the club team and you don't mind dropping the money let him play. He will enjoy playing against his club teammates in town.

The only downside to starting this young are the parents that like to coach from the sideline, that all stops in 7th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks for the advice. Maybe we will stick with more low key for one more year. Even though he did get an offer to join a top club. I don’t want him
To burn out.

When did your son join a more competitive club. He had a lot of fun this past year with lost of playing time but also got annoyed because a bunch of the kids kind of goof off.

Do you think a top club won’t offer a stop next year (6th) if we turned down in 5th, seems most clubs like to mix up thier talent as kids get older anyway.

If he has friends on the club team and you don't mind dropping the money let him play. He will enjoy playing against his club teammates in town.

The only downside to starting this young are the parents that like to coach from the sideline, that all stops in 7th grade.

Coaching from the sidelines stops at 7th grade?? Wishful thinking. Have you attended a MD tournament? I am not a fan of it but parents are experts well into HS and beyond.

What do you mean by playing kids down a year? And what is “reclass”?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do you mean by playing kids down a year? And what is “reclass”?

Welcome to BOTC... "reclass" - kids repeat the 8th grade for sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do you mean by playing kids down a year? And what is “reclass”?

Welcome to BOTC... "reclass" - kids repeat the 8th grade for sports.

For example, 2022 kids playing down at 2023 on Leading Edge. Not surprising that the NJ trend is starting with Leading Edge, they play in the NLF which is filled with teams known for their holdbacks.. Laxachussetts, Crabs, True, etc...most prevalent in Maryland with the kids intending to play at private lacrosse powerhouse high schools.

Anyone know how the NJ Swarm 2021 Team is or how they were last year?

NJ Swarm has 2 teams; one is 2020 and the other is 2021 & the program is ran by the Don Bosco Prep goalie coach. Small but solid program that is growing although they should merge with O2 Lacrosse considering they are all coaches at DBP and this would strengthen their teams.

Originally Posted by laxislife

NJ Swarm has 2 teams; one is 2020 and the other is 2021 & the program is ran by the Don Bosco Prep goalie coach. Small but solid program that is growing although they should merge with O2 Lacrosse considering they are all coaches at DBP and this would strengthen their teams.

I agree with O2 Lacrosse & NJ Swarm merging - 1) it makes sense with the DBP coaches which would be similar to Express but they don't just pull from St Anthony's, they also pull from Chaminade & Kellenberg and 2) O2 folded a couple of age groups such as their 2021s so by these two merging, the team would be much more competitive.

Originally Posted by NJ_Laxer

Originally Posted by laxislife

NJ Swarm has 2 teams; one is 2020 and the other is 2021 & the program is ran by the Don Bosco Prep goalie coach. Small but solid program that is growing although they should merge with O2 Lacrosse considering they are all coaches at DBP and this would strengthen their teams.

I agree with O2 Lacrosse & NJ Swarm merging - 1) it makes sense with the DBP coaches which would be similar to Express but they don't just pull from St Anthony's, they also pull from Chaminade & Kellenberg and 2) O2 folded a couple of age groups such as their 2021s so by these two merging, the team would be much more competitive.

The BBL program is building bigger brand in NJ,the addition of the North teams over last year makes them the bigger player. North Jersey has been looking for a powerhouse program and they may be the one. If they tap the better players it will push out some the other smaller clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJ_Laxer

Originally Posted by laxislife

NJ Swarm has 2 teams; one is 2020 and the other is 2021 & the program is ran by the Don Bosco Prep goalie coach. Small but solid program that is growing although they should merge with O2 Lacrosse considering they are all coaches at DBP and this would strengthen their teams.

I agree with O2 Lacrosse & NJ Swarm merging - 1) it makes sense with the DBP coaches which would be similar to Express but they don't just pull from St Anthony's, they also pull from Chaminade & Kellenberg and 2) O2 folded a couple of age groups such as their 2021s so by these two merging, the team would be much more competitive.

The BBL program is building bigger brand in NJ,the addition of the North teams over last year makes them the bigger player. North Jersey has been looking for a powerhouse program and they may be the one. If they tap the better players it will push out some the other smaller clubs.

Agreed, BBL has made tremendous strides in growing a successful program, but, like other clubs in NJ, they run the risk of diluting the product. If a kid does not make the BBL elite team, they will eventually move on to another program. BBL is not a brand like Express or 91 where parents are willing to pay for the name even if their kid is not on the top team. That is not meant as a knock on BBL, or the talent on their teams, just the reality faced by clubs in NJ. I think that teams need to stick with what they are good at and not try and take over the world. BBL elite is a very successful model, why do they need to have multiple teams that may compete at the B and C levels, there are other clubs in the state that fill that role. The best way to attract the top talent is to have a team that kids aspire to play for, the top BBL, Blue Star, Tri-State and Leading Edge teams are where kids tend to gravitate to if they want to play at a more competitive level, not sure whether it pays for a club like BBL to push out smaller clubs and have developmental teams with the hopes that kids will move up through the system. Just as a disclaimer, I realize that this same argument applies to all of the top clubs in NJ, I only focused on BBL because they were mentioned above.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJ_Laxer

Originally Posted by laxislife

NJ Swarm has 2 teams; one is 2020 and the other is 2021 & the program is ran by the Don Bosco Prep goalie coach. Small but solid program that is growing although they should merge with O2 Lacrosse considering they are all coaches at DBP and this would strengthen their teams.

I agree with O2 Lacrosse & NJ Swarm merging - 1) it makes sense with the DBP coaches which would be similar to Express but they don't just pull from St Anthony's, they also pull from Chaminade & Kellenberg and 2) O2 folded a couple of age groups such as their 2021s so by these two merging, the team would be much more competitive.

The BBL program is building bigger brand in NJ,the addition of the North teams over last year makes them the bigger player. North Jersey has been looking for a powerhouse program and they may be the one. If they tap the better players it will push out some the other smaller clubs.

Agreed, BBL has made tremendous strides in growing a successful program, but, like other clubs in NJ, they run the risk of diluting the product. If a kid does not make the BBL elite team, they will eventually move on to another program. BBL is not a brand like Express or 91 where parents are willing to pay for the name even if their kid is not on the top team. That is not meant as a knock on BBL, or the talent on their teams, just the reality faced by clubs in NJ. I think that teams need to stick with what they are good at and not try and take over the world. BBL elite is a very successful model, why do they need to have multiple teams that may compete at the B and C levels, there are other clubs in the state that fill that role. The best way to attract the top talent is to have a team that kids aspire to play for, the top BBL, Blue Star, Tri-State and Leading Edge teams are where kids tend to gravitate to if they want to play at a more competitive level, not sure whether it pays for a club like BBL to push out smaller clubs and have developmental teams with the hopes that kids will move up through the system. Just as a disclaimer, I realize that this same argument applies to all of the top clubs in NJ, I only focused on BBL because they were mentioned above.

Let's go Colts! lol

Thoughts on Patriot?

Anyone know anything about the '25 BBL team or the '25 Tribal team from South Jersey. Was told Tribal is the best '25 team in the state, up there with the Hawks, HHH, and LI Express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the '25 BBL team or the '25 Tribal team from South Jersey. Was told Tribal is the best '25 team in the state, up there with the Hawks, HHH, and LI Express.

Don't know much about tribal program, but I have seen some teams at a few tournaments. I do not recall any of their teams playing in the top brackets, but perhaps you can try and dig through Tourney Machine for results from this past summer, that would certainly give you a little more persepctive than somebody simply stating that they are the best team in NJ. Traditionally, Tribal is not one of the programs that would enter into the discussion about the top teams in NJ, but things can change year-to-year. The question also seems a little odd considering that BBL and Tribal cover different markets. Who really cares who the best '25 team is in the State, it seems that the post is really looking for some validation for Tribal as opposed to any real insight into the two programs. If you are looking for the best fit for your child then it seems that the best comparison would be some of the Philly area teams, if you are simply looking for an ego boost that Tribal is the best, good luck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the '25 BBL team or the '25 Tribal team from South Jersey. Was told Tribal is the best '25 team in the state, up there with the Hawks, HHH, and LI Express.

Don't know much about tribal program, but I have seen some teams at a few tournaments. I do not recall any of their teams playing in the top brackets, but perhaps you can try and dig through Tourney Machine for results from this past summer, that would certainly give you a little more persepctive than somebody simply stating that they are the best team in NJ. Traditionally, Tribal is not one of the programs that would enter into the discussion about the top teams in NJ, but things can change year-to-year. The question also seems a little odd considering that BBL and Tribal cover different markets. Who really cares who the best '25 team is in the State, it seems that the post is really looking for some validation for Tribal as opposed to any real insight into the two programs. If you are looking for the best fit for your child then it seems that the best comparison would be some of the Philly area teams, if you are simply looking for an ego boost that Tribal is the best, good luck

Tribal has very solid tournament schedule.

Victory Events Summer Slam, June 22/23 (dates not confirmed)

Young Guns Invitational, July 6/7 (dates not confirmed)

Naptown Challenge, July 8/9 (dates not confirmed)

NLF National Championship, July 18-21 (dates not confirmed)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the '25 BBL team or the '25 Tribal team from South Jersey. Was told Tribal is the best '25 team in the state, up there with the Hawks, HHH, and LI Express.

Don't know much about tribal program, but I have seen some teams at a few tournaments. I do not recall any of their teams playing in the top brackets, but perhaps you can try and dig through Tourney Machine for results from this past summer, that would certainly give you a little more persepctive than somebody simply stating that they are the best team in NJ. Traditionally, Tribal is not one of the programs that would enter into the discussion about the top teams in NJ, but things can change year-to-year. The question also seems a little odd considering that BBL and Tribal cover different markets. Who really cares who the best '25 team is in the State, it seems that the post is really looking for some validation for Tribal as opposed to any real insight into the two programs. If you are looking for the best fit for your child then it seems that the best comparison would be some of the Philly area teams, if you are simply looking for an ego boost that Tribal is the best, good luck

Tribal has very solid tournament schedule.

Victory Events Summer Slam, June 22/23 (dates not confirmed)

Young Guns Invitational, July 6/7 (dates not confirmed)

Naptown Challenge, July 8/9 (dates not confirmed)

NLF National Championship, July 18-21 (dates not confirmed)

Definitely a tough schedule, should be a good indicator of their talent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the '25 BBL team or the '25 Tribal team from South Jersey. Was told Tribal is the best '25 team in the state, up there with the Hawks, HHH, and LI Express.

Don't know much about tribal program, but I have seen some teams at a few tournaments. I do not recall any of their teams playing in the top brackets, but perhaps you can try and dig through Tourney Machine for results from this past summer, that would certainly give you a little more persepctive than somebody simply stating that they are the best team in NJ. Traditionally, Tribal is not one of the programs that would enter into the discussion about the top teams in NJ, but things can change year-to-year. The question also seems a little odd considering that BBL and Tribal cover different markets. Who really cares who the best '25 team is in the State, it seems that the post is really looking for some validation for Tribal as opposed to any real insight into the two programs. If you are looking for the best fit for your child then it seems that the best comparison would be some of the Philly area teams, if you are simply looking for an ego boost that Tribal is the best, good luck

Tribal has very solid tournament schedule.

Victory Events Summer Slam, June 22/23 (dates not confirmed)

Young Guns Invitational, July 6/7 (dates not confirmed)

Naptown Challenge, July 8/9 (dates not confirmed)

NLF National Championship, July 18-21 (dates not confirmed)

Definitely a tough schedule, should be a good indicator of their talent

Mad Dog picked up a few new players and coach. They won a few tournaments last year, they should be even better this year.

The Tribal website says "possible tournaments". Given the schedule of last year, this possible schedule may be a stretch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Tribal website says "possible tournaments". Given the schedule of last year, this possible schedule may be a stretch.

It is definitely a very aggressive schedule, good for them if they play it and do well, otherwise it could be a long summer. That said, the only way to get better is to play a tougher schedule, not much long term value in beating up less talented teams every weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Tribal website says "possible tournaments". Given the schedule of last year, this possible schedule may be a stretch.

It is definitely a very aggressive schedule, good for them if they play it and do well, otherwise it could be a long summer. That said, the only way to get better is to play a tougher schedule, not much long term value in beating up less talented teams every weekend.

Still waiting for the top clubs in NJ to create a spring league. No reason to drive to Philly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Tribal website says "possible tournaments". Given the schedule of last year, this possible schedule may be a stretch.

It is definitely a very aggressive schedule, good for them if they play it and do well, otherwise it could be a long summer. That said, the only way to get better is to play a tougher schedule, not much long term value in beating up less talented teams every weekend.

Still waiting for the top clubs in NJ to create a spring league. No reason to drive to Philly.

I could not agree more, but for some reason the NJ teams do not like to play each other. You do see a lot of Philly kids move around from team to team each year, perhaps the Jersey teams want to protect their product. The other issue is that NJ does not really have a great centrally located multi field turf venue like the proving grounds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Tribal website says "possible tournaments". Given the schedule of last year, this possible schedule may be a stretch.

It is definitely a very aggressive schedule, good for them if they play it and do well, otherwise it could be a long summer. That said, the only way to get better is to play a tougher schedule, not much long term value in beating up less talented teams every weekend.

Still waiting for the top clubs in NJ to create a spring league. No reason to drive to Philly.

I could not agree more, but for some reason the NJ teams do not like to play each other. You do see a lot of Philly kids move around from team to team each year, perhaps the Jersey teams want to protect their product. The other issue is that NJ does not really have a great centrally located multi field turf venue like the proving grounds.

What about a league in Northern NJ closer to Westchester & CT clubs to have not just NJ team but teams like PrimeTime, 3D Tristate, CT Valley, Predators, Express North & so on?

Originally Posted by NJ_Laxer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Tribal website says "possible tournaments". Given the schedule of last year, this possible schedule may be a stretch.

It is definitely a very aggressive schedule, good for them if they play it and do well, otherwise it could be a long summer. That said, the only way to get better is to play a tougher schedule, not much long term value in beating up less talented teams every weekend.

Still waiting for the top clubs in NJ to create a spring league. No reason to drive to Philly.

I could not agree more, but for some reason the NJ teams do not like to play each other. You do see a lot of Philly kids move around from team to team each year, perhaps the Jersey teams want to protect their product. The other issue is that NJ does not really have a great centrally located multi field turf venue like the proving grounds.

What about a league in Northern NJ closer to Westchester & CT clubs to have not just NJ team but teams like PrimeTime, 3D Tristate, CT Valley, Predators, Express North & so on?

Great concept, but it defeats the idea of a NJ league..central and south NJ teams will probably just end up in NXT mid-atlantic...a league out of central Jersey near the turnpike (i.e. Rutgers area) would be ideal (and it would be a good way to promote Rutgers lax), but it seems to be wishful thinking

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the '25 BBL team or the '25 Tribal team from South Jersey. Was told Tribal is the best '25 team in the state, up there with the Hawks, HHH, and LI Express.

Don't know much about tribal program, but I have seen some teams at a few tournaments. I do not recall any of their teams playing in the top brackets, but perhaps you can try and dig through Tourney Machine for results from this past summer, that would certainly give you a little more persepctive than somebody simply stating that they are the best team in NJ. Traditionally, Tribal is not one of the programs that would enter into the discussion about the top teams in NJ, but things can change year-to-year. The question also seems a little odd considering that BBL and Tribal cover different markets. Who really cares who the best '25 team is in the State, it seems that the post is really looking for some validation for Tribal as opposed to any real insight into the two programs. If you are looking for the best fit for your child then it seems that the best comparison would be some of the Philly area teams, if you are simply looking for an ego boost that Tribal is the best, good luck

Tribal has very solid tournament schedule.

Victory Events Summer Slam, June 22/23 (dates not confirmed)

Young Guns Invitational, July 6/7 (dates not confirmed)

Naptown Challenge, July 8/9 (dates not confirmed)

NLF National Championship, July 18-21 (dates not confirmed)

Definitely a tough schedule, should be a good indicator of their talent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the '25 BBL team or the '25 Tribal team from South Jersey. Was told Tribal is the best '25 team in the state, up there with the Hawks, HHH, and LI Express.

Don't know much about tribal program, but I have seen some teams at a few tournaments. I do not recall any of their teams playing in the top brackets, but perhaps you can try and dig through Tourney Machine for results from this past summer, that would certainly give you a little more persepctive than somebody simply stating that they are the best team in NJ. Traditionally, Tribal is not one of the programs that would enter into the discussion about the top teams in NJ, but things can change year-to-year. The question also seems a little odd considering that BBL and Tribal cover different markets. Who really cares who the best '25 team is in the State, it seems that the post is really looking for some validation for Tribal as opposed to any real insight into the two programs. If you are looking for the best fit for your child then it seems that the best comparison would be some of the Philly area teams, if you are simply looking for an ego boost that Tribal is the best, good luck

Tribal has very solid tournament schedule.

Victory Events Summer Slam, June 22/23 (dates not confirmed)

Young Guns Invitational, July 6/7 (dates not confirmed)

Naptown Challenge, July 8/9 (dates not confirmed)

NLF National Championship, July 18-21 (dates not confirmed)

Definitely a tough schedule, should be a good indicator of their talent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the '25 BBL team or the '25 Tribal team from South Jersey. Was told Tribal is the best '25 team in the state, up there with the Hawks, HHH, and LI Express.

Don't know much about tribal program, but I have seen some teams at a few tournaments. I do not recall any of their teams playing in the top brackets, but perhaps you can try and dig through Tourney Machine for results from this past summer, that would certainly give you a little more persepctive than somebody simply stating that they are the best team in NJ. Traditionally, Tribal is not one of the programs that would enter into the discussion about the top teams in NJ, but things can change year-to-year. The question also seems a little odd considering that BBL and Tribal cover different markets. Who really cares who the best '25 team is in the State, it seems that the post is really looking for some validation for Tribal as opposed to any real insight into the two programs. If you are looking for the best fit for your child then it seems that the best comparison would be some of the Philly area teams, if you are simply looking for an ego boost that Tribal is the best, good luck

Tribal has very solid tournament schedule.

Victory Events Summer Slam, June 22/23 (dates not confirmed)

Young Guns Invitational, July 6/7 (dates not confirmed)

Naptown Challenge, July 8/9 (dates not confirmed)

NLF National Championship, July 18-21 (dates not confirmed)

Definitely a tough schedule, should be a good indicator of their talent

If they play these tournaments in the AA bracket and are competitive, then they should be considered elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the '25 BBL team or the '25 Tribal team from South Jersey. Was told Tribal is the best '25 team in the state, up there with the Hawks, HHH, and LI Express.

Don't know much about tribal program, but I have seen some teams at a few tournaments. I do not recall any of their teams playing in the top brackets, but perhaps you can try and dig through Tourney Machine for results from this past summer, that would certainly give you a little more persepctive than somebody simply stating that they are the best team in NJ. Traditionally, Tribal is not one of the programs that would enter into the discussion about the top teams in NJ, but things can change year-to-year. The question also seems a little odd considering that BBL and Tribal cover different markets. Who really cares who the best '25 team is in the State, it seems that the post is really looking for some validation for Tribal as opposed to any real insight into the two programs. If you are looking for the best fit for your child then it seems that the best comparison would be some of the Philly area teams, if you are simply looking for an ego boost that Tribal is the best, good luck

Tribal has very solid tournament schedule.

Victory Events Summer Slam, June 22/23 (dates not confirmed)

Young Guns Invitational, July 6/7 (dates not confirmed)

Naptown Challenge, July 8/9 (dates not confirmed)

NLF National Championship, July 18-21 (dates not confirmed)

Definitely a tough schedule, should be a good indicator of their talent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the '25 BBL team or the '25 Tribal team from South Jersey. Was told Tribal is the best '25 team in the state, up there with the Hawks, HHH, and LI Express.

Don't know much about tribal program, but I have seen some teams at a few tournaments. I do not recall any of their teams playing in the top brackets, but perhaps you can try and dig through Tourney Machine for results from this past summer, that would certainly give you a little more persepctive than somebody simply stating that they are the best team in NJ. Traditionally, Tribal is not one of the programs that would enter into the discussion about the top teams in NJ, but things can change year-to-year. The question also seems a little odd considering that BBL and Tribal cover different markets. Who really cares who the best '25 team is in the State, it seems that the post is really looking for some validation for Tribal as opposed to any real insight into the two programs. If you are looking for the best fit for your child then it seems that the best comparison would be some of the Philly area teams, if you are simply looking for an ego boost that Tribal is the best, good luck

Tribal has very solid tournament schedule.

Victory Events Summer Slam, June 22/23 (dates not confirmed)

Young Guns Invitational, July 6/7 (dates not confirmed)

Naptown Challenge, July 8/9 (dates not confirmed)

NLF National Championship, July 18-21 (dates not confirmed)

Definitely a tough schedule, should be a good indicator of their talent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the '25 BBL team or the '25 Tribal team from South Jersey. Was told Tribal is the best '25 team in the state, up there with the Hawks, HHH, and LI Express.

Don't know much about tribal program, but I have seen some teams at a few tournaments. I do not recall any of their teams playing in the top brackets, but perhaps you can try and dig through Tourney Machine for results from this past summer, that would certainly give you a little more persepctive than somebody simply stating that they are the best team in NJ. Traditionally, Tribal is not one of the programs that would enter into the discussion about the top teams in NJ, but things can change year-to-year. The question also seems a little odd considering that BBL and Tribal cover different markets. Who really cares who the best '25 team is in the State, it seems that the post is really looking for some validation for Tribal as opposed to any real insight into the two programs. If you are looking for the best fit for your child then it seems that the best comparison would be some of the Philly area teams, if you are simply looking for an ego boost that Tribal is the best, good luck

Tribal has very solid tournament schedule.

Victory Events Summer Slam, June 22/23 (dates not confirmed)

Young Guns Invitational, July 6/7 (dates not confirmed)

Naptown Challenge, July 8/9 (dates not confirmed)

NLF National Championship, July 18-21 (dates not confirmed)

Definitely a tough schedule, should be a good indicator of their talent

If they play these tournaments in the AA bracket and are competitive, then they should be considered elite.

OK, and then what, they just want be considered elite?....what's the point..you are spending too much time on the Maryland forum reading the nonsensical posts about HOCO, etc....if they play well in AA, then they will be considered a good AA team along with the other good AA teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the '25 BBL team or the '25 Tribal team from South Jersey. Was told Tribal is the best '25 team in the state, up there with the Hawks, HHH, and LI Express.

Don't know much about tribal program, but I have seen some teams at a few tournaments. I do not recall any of their teams playing in the top brackets, but perhaps you can try and dig through Tourney Machine for results from this past summer, that would certainly give you a little more persepctive than somebody simply stating that they are the best team in NJ. Traditionally, Tribal is not one of the programs that would enter into the discussion about the top teams in NJ, but things can change year-to-year. The question also seems a little odd considering that BBL and Tribal cover different markets. Who really cares who the best '25 team is in the State, it seems that the post is really looking for some validation for Tribal as opposed to any real insight into the two programs. If you are looking for the best fit for your child then it seems that the best comparison would be some of the Philly area teams, if you are simply looking for an ego boost that Tribal is the best, good luck

Tribal has very solid tournament schedule.

Victory Events Summer Slam, June 22/23 (dates not confirmed)

Young Guns Invitational, July 6/7 (dates not confirmed)

Naptown Challenge, July 8/9 (dates not confirmed)

NLF National Championship, July 18-21 (dates not confirmed)

Definitely a tough schedule, should be a good indicator of their talent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the '25 BBL team or the '25 Tribal team from South Jersey. Was told Tribal is the best '25 team in the state, up there with the Hawks, HHH, and LI Express.

Don't know much about tribal program, but I have seen some teams at a few tournaments. I do not recall any of their teams playing in the top brackets, but perhaps you can try and dig through Tourney Machine for results from this past summer, that would certainly give you a little more persepctive than somebody simply stating that they are the best team in NJ. Traditionally, Tribal is not one of the programs that would enter into the discussion about the top teams in NJ, but things can change year-to-year. The question also seems a little odd considering that BBL and Tribal cover different markets. Who really cares who the best '25 team is in the State, it seems that the post is really looking for some validation for Tribal as opposed to any real insight into the two programs. If you are looking for the best fit for your child then it seems that the best comparison would be some of the Philly area teams, if you are simply looking for an ego boost that Tribal is the best, good luck

Tribal has very solid tournament schedule.

Victory Events Summer Slam, June 22/23 (dates not confirmed)

Young Guns Invitational, July 6/7 (dates not confirmed)

Naptown Challenge, July 8/9 (dates not confirmed)

NLF National Championship, July 18-21 (dates not confirmed)

Definitely a tough schedule, should be a good indicator of their talent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the '25 BBL team or the '25 Tribal team from South Jersey. Was told Tribal is the best '25 team in the state, up there with the Hawks, HHH, and LI Express.

Don't know much about tribal program, but I have seen some teams at a few tournaments. I do not recall any of their teams playing in the top brackets, but perhaps you can try and dig through Tourney Machine for results from this past summer, that would certainly give you a little more persepctive than somebody simply stating that they are the best team in NJ. Traditionally, Tribal is not one of the programs that would enter into the discussion about the top teams in NJ, but things can change year-to-year. The question also seems a little odd considering that BBL and Tribal cover different markets. Who really cares who the best '25 team is in the State, it seems that the post is really looking for some validation for Tribal as opposed to any real insight into the two programs. If you are looking for the best fit for your child then it seems that the best comparison would be some of the Philly area teams, if you are simply looking for an ego boost that Tribal is the best, good luck

Tribal has very solid tournament schedule.

Victory Events Summer Slam, June 22/23 (dates not confirmed)

Young Guns Invitational, July 6/7 (dates not confirmed)

Naptown Challenge, July 8/9 (dates not confirmed)

NLF National Championship, July 18-21 (dates not confirmed)

Definitely a tough schedule, should be a good indicator of their talent

If they play these tournaments in the AA bracket and are competitive, then they should be considered elite.

OK, and then what, they just want be considered elite?....what's the point..you are spending too much time on the Maryland forum reading the nonsensical posts about HOCO, etc....if they play well in AA, then they will be considered a good AA team along with the other good AA teams

Ok, what would you suggest everyone post? Go Colts!

OK, and then what, they just want be considered elite?....what's the point..you are spending too much time on the Maryland forum reading the nonsensical posts about HOCO, etc....if they play well in AA, then they will be considered a good AA team along with the other good AA teams[/quote]

Ok, what would you suggest everyone post? Go Colts![/quote]

Anything other than somebody searching desperately for validation of their kids team....if the team does well, terrific, but why does the poster care whether the team is considered elite, it means nothing, it is not a standard. What is the poster going to do when their kids team starts getting beat down by the big holdback programs in a few years..will their team no longer be "elite"...no, the argument will then be that the team is elite but is unfairly faced with the holdbacks...it is a never ending cycle

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK, and then what, they just want be considered elite?....what's the point..you are spending too much time on the Maryland forum reading the nonsensical posts about HOCO, etc....if they play well in AA, then they will be considered a good AA team along with the other good AA teams

Ok, what would you suggest everyone post? Go Colts![/quote]

Anything other than somebody searching desperately for validation of their kids team....if the team does well, terrific, but why does the poster care whether the team is considered elite, it means nothing, it is not a standard. What is the poster going to do when their kids team starts getting beat down by the big holdback programs in a few years..will their team no longer be "elite"...no, the argument will then be that the team is elite but is unfairly faced with the holdbacks...it is a never ending cycle
[/quote]

It doesn't sounds like someone desperately searching. It sounded like they just want to know where their team fits. Let them play the teams and see if they are competitive (or elite, whatever you want to call it). Not sure why you are getting bent on this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK, and then what, they just want be considered elite?....what's the point..you are spending too much time on the Maryland forum reading the nonsensical posts about HOCO, etc....if they play well in AA, then they will be considered a good AA team along with the other good AA teams

Ok, what would you suggest everyone post? Go Colts!

Anything other than somebody searching desperately for validation of their kids team....if the team does well, terrific, but why does the poster care whether the team is considered elite, it means nothing, it is not a standard. What is the poster going to do when their kids team starts getting beat down by the big holdback programs in a few years..will their team no longer be "elite"...no, the argument will then be that the team is elite but is unfairly faced with the holdbacks...it is a never ending cycle
[/quote]

It doesn't sounds like someone desperately searching. It sounded like they just want to know where their team fits. Let them play the teams and see if they are competitive (or elite, whatever you want to call it). Not sure why you are getting bent on this. [/quote]

You just summed up exactly why it is frustrating... as you state "Let them play the teams and see if they are competitive (or elite, whatever you want to call it)"....this is my point, play and see what happens...the teams record will dictate how they are perceived, not some meaningless label.

Patriot is a great club. If you believe that great coaching, excellent communication from club ownership, access to the recruiting director, and a solid reputation with College Coaches are important for a club. I have been a Patriot parent for six great years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are clearly a hater. What team are you speaking on behalf of? All that I was stating is the BBL should be considered in the conversation of being one of the Top Clubs in NJ. Not saying that we are the best but from top to bottom, we produce several college commitments and the middle school teams are competitive.

BBL was listed at the top NJ 2023 team. read the prior post. Come on Mom, you can't post if you're not willing to take a little crap

the BBL 2023 life st to the 2024 legacy team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are clearly a hater. What team are you speaking on behalf of? All that I was stating is the BBL should be considered in the conversation of being one of the Top Clubs in NJ. Not saying that we are the best but from top to bottom, we produce several college commitments and the middle school teams are competitive.

BBL was listed at the top NJ 2023 team. read the prior post. Come on Mom, you can't post if you're not willing to take a little crap

the BBL 2023 life st to the 2024 legacy team

Did the legacy team play up. or is BBL holding kids back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are clearly a hater. What team are you speaking on behalf of? All that I was stating is the BBL should be considered in the conversation of being one of the Top Clubs in NJ. Not saying that we are the best but from top to bottom, we produce several college commitments and the middle school teams are competitive.

BBL was listed at the top NJ 2023 team. read the prior post. Come on Mom, you can't post if you're not willing to take a little crap

the BBL 2023 life st to the 2024 legacy team

Did the legacy team play up. or is BBL holding kids back

It had to be '24 BBL 24

My son plays for riot 2021, they have good coaches and well tun

Looking at BBL, how many teams do they have at each age and does quality hold from the first team to the b team? I have seen their teams in 2024 listed as BBL Elite, BBL Black and BBL Helix. Do they really put togeher 3 quality teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at BBL, how many teams do they have at each age and does quality hold from the first team to the b team? I have seen their teams in 2024 listed as BBL Elite, BBL Black and BBL Helix. Do they really put togeher 3 quality teams?

No NJ club puts 3 quality team together. Reach out to BBL and see if you can get your kid on the team. If he is good they will find a spot, another option is to find out where the kids in his town play. Reach out to that club and see if you can get a spot.

Didnt NJLC send 3 teams to Adrenaline in Delaware and went 3-0, 3-0, 2-1, this Sunday?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didnt NJLC send 3 teams to Adrenaline in Delaware and went 3-0, 3-0, 2-1, this Sunday?

The comment was about having 3 teams in the same age group, not 3 teams overall, any NJ club that thinks that they can carry 3 competitive teams at an age group will be doing some soul searching eventually...and nice job by NJLC representing NJ lax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didnt NJLC send 3 teams to Adrenaline in Delaware and went 3-0, 3-0, 2-1, this Sunday?

The question was 3 teams at one age group.

Adrenaline is a B tournament good teams were at Terrapin Fall Classic.

gatcha. thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didnt NJLC send 3 teams to Adrenaline in Delaware and went 3-0, 3-0, 2-1, this Sunday?

The question was 3 teams at one age group.

Adrenaline is a B tournament good teams were at Terrapin Fall Classic.

Go back to the Maryland forum, nobody cares

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didnt NJLC send 3 teams to Adrenaline in Delaware and went 3-0, 3-0, 2-1, this Sunday?

The question was 3 teams at one age group.

Adrenaline is a B tournament good teams were at Terrapin Fall Classic.

Go back to the Maryland forum, nobody cares

NJLC is a NJ team, another NJ team Leading Edge was as the Terrapin Fall Classic.

Not sure what you're talking about!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didnt NJLC send 3 teams to Adrenaline in Delaware and went 3-0, 3-0, 2-1, this Sunday?

The question was 3 teams at one age group.

Adrenaline is a B tournament good teams were at Terrapin Fall Classic.

Go back to the Maryland forum, nobody cares

NJLC is a NJ team, another NJ team Leading Edge was as the Terrapin Fall Classic.

Not sure what you're talking about!

I am talking about your knock on another team for playing in what you perceive to be a B tournament and that "good teams were at Terrapin Fall Classic"... The fact that LE or any other team, was at the tournament is irrelevant, just comes off as the type of comment that is typical to the Md. and LI forums

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didnt NJLC send 3 teams to Adrenaline in Delaware and went 3-0, 3-0, 2-1, this Sunday?

The question was 3 teams at one age group.

Adrenaline is a B tournament good teams were at Terrapin Fall Classic.

Go back to the Maryland forum, nobody cares

NJLC is a NJ team, another NJ team Leading Edge was as the Terrapin Fall Classic.

Not sure what you're talking about!

I am talking about your knock on another team for playing in what you perceive to be a B tournament and that "good teams were at Terrapin Fall Classic"... The fact that LE or any other team, was at the tournament is irrelevant, just comes off as the type of comment that is typical to the Md. and LI forums

Reread what you're posted. The original question was asking if any NJ club has 3 good teams at one age.
You took it as an opportunity to post about NJLC having a good showing at a tournament against teams you should beat. If you would have posted. NJLC had a good showing this weekend at Adrenaline no one would have said anything.

was it a B tournament? I mean there are those...right?

I thought the topic was 3 good teams by one club. I stood corrected by another person, (3 teams, same age). Seemed over at that piont, but here we are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the topic was 3 good teams by one club. I stood corrected by another person, (3 teams, same age). Seemed over at that piont, but here we are.

Funny how you made an honest mistake, corrected it...but somehow somebody thought that it was a good opportunity to knock the tournament as a B tournament, and then come back with some ridiculous post about how you should have written your initial which makes absolutely no sense...as I stated earlier, glad that NJLC had a great weekend, congrats.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the topic was 3 good teams by one club. I stood corrected by another person, (3 teams, same age). Seemed over at that piont, but here we are.

Funny how you made an honest mistake, corrected it...but somehow somebody thought that it was a good opportunity to knock the tournament as a B tournament, and then come back with some ridiculous post about how you should have written your initial which makes absolutely no sense...as I stated earlier, glad that NJLC had a great weekend, congrats.

Agree, NJLC has always put together good teams, some of the better High School teams in NJ. With the programs like Mad Dog & Turnpike who seem to lose teams & players when they hit High School, NJLC should continue to develop players and field, strong teams. I could be wrong but they might be the only non-NLF club to send teams to NLF events.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the topic was 3 good teams by one club. I stood corrected by another person, (3 teams, same age). Seemed over at that piont, but here we are.

Funny how you made an honest mistake, corrected it...but somehow somebody thought that it was a good opportunity to knock the tournament as a B tournament, and then come back with some ridiculous post about how you should have written your initial which makes absolutely no sense...as I stated earlier, glad that NJLC had a great weekend, congrats.

Agree, NJLC has always put together good teams, some of the better High School teams in NJ. With the programs like Mad Dog & Turnpike who seem to lose teams & players when they hit High School, NJLC should continue to develop players and field, strong teams. I could be wrong but they might be the only non-NLF club to send teams to NLF events.

Not a huge fan of NLF, but the competition is excellent. Very true about certain clubs, they cannot keep teams going through high school, I understand that a kid here and there may leave a program for greener pastures, but some clubs seem to shed a whole team once high school hits. I find it especially surprising for Mad Dog considering that they have good players and a pretty large footprint with the MD West and select teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the topic was 3 good teams by one club. I stood corrected by another person, (3 teams, same age). Seemed over at that piont, but here we are.

Funny how you made an honest mistake, corrected it...but somehow somebody thought that it was a good opportunity to knock the tournament as a B tournament, and then come back with some ridiculous post about how you should have written your initial which makes absolutely no sense...as I stated earlier, glad that NJLC had a great weekend, congrats.

Agree, NJLC has always put together good teams, some of the better High School teams in NJ. With the programs like Mad Dog & Turnpike who seem to lose teams & players when they hit High School, NJLC should continue to develop players and field, strong teams. I could be wrong but they might be the only non-NLF club to send teams to NLF events.

Not a huge fan of NLF, but the competition is excellent. Very true about certain clubs, they cannot keep teams going through high school, I understand that a kid here and there may leave a program for greener pastures, but some clubs seem to shed a whole team once high school hits. I find it especially surprising for Mad Dog considering that they have good players and a pretty large footprint with the MD West and select teams.

Mad Dog only pulls from a small area in NJ, major turnover with coaches. Within 3 years Mad Dog NJ could be dead.

So what about the Autumn Gold showcase this weekend at Townson? is that a B Tournament/showcase?

i always thouhgt BBL was a good club. Played them in field many times, and went 500 against them.Semi rec team. Good kids/parents. Smashed em, and everyone, at NXT box in PA. Bayhawks elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i always thouhgt BBL was a good club. Played them in field many times, and went 500 against them.we are Semi rec team. Good kids/parents. Smashed em, and everyone, at NXT box in PA. Bayhawks elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i always thouhgt BBL was a good club. Played them in field many times, and went 500 against them.Semi rec team. Good kids/parents. Smashed em, and everyone, at NXT box in PA. Bayhawks elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i always thouhgt BBL was a good club. Played them in field many times, and went 500 against them.Semi rec team. Good kids/parents. Smashed em, and everyone, at NXT box in PA. Bayhawks elite.

I think you got your answer at NAL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you got your answer at NAL

To what?

Tribal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tribal

Would still like to see BBL, Tribal, Mad Dog Black & 3d NJ in a playday at the '25 level. Leading Edge can host and hand out contact information for their High School program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tribal

Are we still talking about Tribal, I thought that this was old news. You came on the forum earlier to get your validation, you got some positive replies and honest comments, and then came back on here tooting your horn because of one tournament...there is nothing gained by the constant promotion. Trust me, give it another year or two and your precious '25 team will be getting smacked around by the the big bad holdback teams...and if you don't believe me, take a look at what happens to 91 Bandits when they play teams like DC Dogs, Laxachusetts and the like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tribal

Are we still talking about Tribal, I thought that this was old news. You came on the forum earlier to get your validation, you got some positive replies and honest comments, and then came back on here tooting your horn because of one tournament...there is nothing gained by the constant promotion. Trust me, give it another year or two and your precious '25 team will be getting smacked around by the the big bad holdback teams...and if you don't believe me, take a look at what happens to 91 Bandits when they play teams like DC Dogs, Laxachusetts and the like.

South Jersey schools require students to repeat the 8th grade so they can be at the same academic level as the rest of the state? They will be a solid team as 8th graders!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tribal

Are we still talking about Tribal, I thought that this was old news. You came on the forum earlier to get your validation, you got some positive replies and honest comments, and then came back on here tooting your horn because of one tournament...there is nothing gained by the constant promotion. Trust me, give it another year or two and your precious '25 team will be getting smacked around by the the big bad holdback teams...and if you don't believe me, take a look at what happens to 91 Bandits when they play teams like DC Dogs, Laxachusetts and the like.

South Jersey schools require students to repeat the 8th grade so they can be at the same academic level as the rest of the state? They will be a solid team as 8th graders!

You seem to be missing the point, the playing field will not be level in 8th grade. 91 Bandits is a solid 8th grade team now, and can beat any other on-age 2023 team, but outside of age-based, they do not dominate like they used to as 6th and 7th graders because the other programs are now full of holdbacks and reclassed kids. Nobody could touch Bandits at the WSYL, but look at what happens when they played the big NLF events. Also, it would be pretty surprising if the team stayed together through eight grade, especially with the draw of the Philly programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tribal

Are we still talking about Tribal, I thought that this was old news. You came on the forum earlier to get your validation, you got some positive replies and honest comments, and then came back on here tooting your horn because of one tournament...there is nothing gained by the constant promotion. Trust me, give it another year or two and your precious '25 team will be getting smacked around by the the big bad holdback teams...and if you don't believe me, take a look at what happens to 91 Bandits when they play teams like DC Dogs, Laxachusetts and the like.

South Jersey schools require students to repeat the 8th grade so they can be at the same academic level as the rest of the state? They will be a solid team as 8th graders!

South Jersey really is not part of NJ, they just think they are.

Who is One More Lacrosse out of NJ? They submitted a team in the WSYL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is One More Lacrosse out of NJ? They submitted a team in the WSYL.

Where do you see teams signed up for WSYL?

Where do you see who is signed up for WSYL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do you see who is signed up for WSYL?

https://worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.leagueapps.com/tournaments/773194/standings

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do you see who is signed up for WSYL?

https://worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.leagueapps.com/tournaments/773194/standings

That is a pretty interesting qualifier, some very good teams. If that BBL 2024 is legitimately on-age, they will make a good run

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do you see who is signed up for WSYL?

https://worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.leagueapps.com/tournaments/773194/standings

That is a pretty interesting qualifier, some very good teams. If that BBL 2024 is legitimately on-age, they will make a good run

Who is OneMore Lax out of NJ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do you see who is signed up for WSYL?

https://worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.leagueapps.com/tournaments/773194/standings

Thanks for that! Assume more will sign up as time gets closer. Freedom, Patriot, Maddog, 3d are teams that would seem to fit on this list.

How many teams from the region qualify? Is it set # or a % of entries?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do you see who is signed up for WSYL?

https://worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.leagueapps.com/tournaments/773194/standings

Thanks for that! Assume more will sign up as time gets closer. Freedom, Patriot, Maddog, 3d are teams that would seem to fit on this list.

How many teams from the region qualify? Is it set # or a % of entries?

I don't think that you will see any of those clubs entering teams, they would have signed up already. It is not an easy undertaking if you have too many kids that do not make the cut-off, plus you have to get the parents on board as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do you see who is signed up for WSYL?

https://worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.leagueapps.com/tournaments/773194/standings

Thanks for that! Assume more will sign up as time gets closer. Freedom, Patriot, Maddog, 3d are teams that would seem to fit on this list.

How many teams from the region qualify? Is it set # or a % of entries?

I don't think that you will see any of those clubs entering teams, they would have signed up already. It is not an easy undertaking if you have too many kids that do not make the cut-off, plus you have to get the parents on board as well.

Agree, I know BBL and Tristate just announced their WSYL team tryout but they are teams that annually field a team so I am sure they preregister and I would assume the better/eligible players from the other NJ teams will tryout for those WSYL teams. It is very difficult to field a competitive team from a preexisting club because of the age cutoff and dispersion of talent across the state.

Only a couple of the NY clubs can typically field a WSYL competitive team with their existing club team. I believe the BL team is primarily their club team but they built it over the last couple of years with this tournament in mind. You absolutely need a stud FO and Goalie and at least 1 dominant (read post puberty) midfielder to have any success out there.

Plus as you said, you need all the parents willing to drop a decent chunk of change on a lacrosse vacation.

As for qualifiers, last year, 5 from the east qualified and I think 6 from the North. I would think its based on the # of entries/talent areas although if the Central had 15 teams enter, I am still not sure they would take top 5 since the depth of talented teams is not as great as the East or North. Last year you had 2 East teams make the playoffs out in Denver, 4 North teams, 1 International and 1 West Team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do you see who is signed up for WSYL?

https://worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.leagueapps.com/tournaments/773194/standings

Thanks for that! Assume more will sign up as time gets closer. Freedom, Patriot, Maddog, 3d are teams that would seem to fit on this list.

How many teams from the region qualify? Is it set # or a % of entries?

I don't think that you will see any of those clubs entering teams, they would have signed up already. It is not an easy undertaking if you have too many kids that do not make the cut-off, plus you have to get the parents on board as well.

Agree, I know BBL and Tristate just announced their WSYL team tryout but they are teams that annually field a team so I am sure they preregister and I would assume the better/eligible players from the other NJ teams will tryout for those WSYL teams. It is very difficult to field a competitive team from a preexisting club because of the age cutoff and dispersion of talent across the state.

Only a couple of the NY clubs can typically field a WSYL competitive team with their existing club team. I believe the BL team is primarily their club team but they built it over the last couple of years with this tournament in mind. You absolutely need a stud FO and Goalie and at least 1 dominant (read post puberty) midfielder to have any success out there.

Plus as you said, you need all the parents willing to drop a decent chunk of change on a lacrosse vacation.

As for qualifiers, last year, 5 from the east qualified and I think 6 from the North. I would think its based on the # of entries/talent areas although if the Central had 15 teams enter, I am still not sure they would take top 5 since the depth of talented teams is not as great as the East or North. Last year you had 2 East teams make the playoffs out in Denver, 4 North teams, 1 International and 1 West Team.

Also remember that the East includes MD, DC, VA but literally NO DMV team play. We all know why.

Who were the 2 east teams? Either NJ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who were the 2 east teams? Either NJ?

No, Big 5 was a PA team and Next Level was a MD team.. tristate and BBL qualified out of the east and had a good showing but didn’t advance out of their pool

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also remember that the East includes MD, DC, VA but literally NO DMV team play. We all know why.

Cavalier is VA, last year they were 1 spot from qualifying, breakers are MD. API is MD and are usually pretty good..

I think the top 2 coming out of east are BBL and brotherly love and both could go far in Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also remember that the East includes MD, DC, VA but literally NO DMV team play. We all know why.

Cavalier is VA, last year they were 1 spot from qualifying, breakers are MD. API is MD and are usually pretty good..

I think the top 2 coming out of east are BBL and brotherly love and both could go far in Denver.

Cavalier was OK last year, Breakers team was not strong at all, API did not play. Other than the two bottom teams there was a lot of parity at the qualifiers, no real blow-outs among the top teams. Next Level was tough at the qualifiers, a couple of big kids, they looked really good in Denver (you can see the top NL kids on DC Dawgs now, they jumped ship right after Denver and played 2023 National Championship and NLF championship with DC). If the BBL 2024 team that played at Lehigh this fall is legit and on-age, they will be very strong at WSYL. I think, as in the past, you will see 5 teams come out of the East qualifier. Also, where you place in qualifier makes a huge difference when they do the seeding in Denver, if you finish too low, you have a very tough road.

Very exciting news for our sport and program! Our Select National Director and Recruiting Consultant, Jim Stagnitta, has been named one of the six head coaches of the Premiere Lacrosse League! Congrats to Coach Stagnitta and the rest of the pack for being part of a new era of lacrosse! Coach Stagnitta will be joining our East, West, and HS National Team for Sandstorm Jan 18-20 in Indio, CA!

Will Stagnitta do anything to improve Mad Dog's standing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very exciting news for our sport and program! Our Select National Director and Recruiting Consultant, Jim Stagnitta, has been named one of the six head coaches of the Premiere Lacrosse League! Congrats to Coach Stagnitta and the rest of the pack for being part of a new era of lacrosse! Coach Stagnitta will be joining our East, West, and HS National Team for Sandstorm Jan 18-20 in Indio, CA!

Will Stagnitta do anything to improve Mad Dog's standing?

Can't really see how this does anything for Mad Dog, unless, however unlikely, he can somehow get the PLL players involved with the club. It's not as though kids are going to be knocking down the doors to play for Mad Dog because he is a PLL coach.

where does patriot fall in these rankings?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

where does patriot fall in these rankings?

Very hard to judge. You can get a pretty good feel for BBL, LE and Tri-State teams because they mostly compete against the same programs, i.e. Annapolis Hawks, Freedom, Brotherly Love, 91's, Igloo, Express, etc.

I agree the BBL Team is excellent but I believe they have quite a few boys that are not eligible; otherwise I would have placed them in the top 5.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree the BBL Team is excellent but I believe they have quite a few boys that are not eligible; otherwise I would have placed them in the top 5.

What age group are you talking about?

2024 Team. Excellent and very athletic but alot of overage boys.

Not true, maybe 2, 3 kids at most before the sept 1st birthday. They will do well at WSYL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true, maybe 2, 3 kids at most before the sept 1st birthday. They will do well at WSYL

They might do OK. Going 1 or 2 games over 500. WSYL will forever be a Long Island dominated event. They start building for the event in 5th grade and have two years of year-round practice so everyone can watch two Long Island or NY/CT team in the finals. Express CoachS will win, they will either play the Wolfpack or Primetime in the finals.

Parents and kids love the event but have realistic expectations. You are going to Denver to play a little lacrosse, eat Mexican food and drink. Not a bad 4th weekend.

Get your team into the NLF Club National Championship next summer and bring your summer birthdays. Rumor has it they are cutting out the "national teams" so it should be a good test for your full team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true, maybe 2, 3 kids at most before the sept 1st birthday. They will do well at WSYL

I guess a lot depends on which 2 or 3 do not qualify. I saw them play, a very good team across the board, but there were 2 maybe 3 real impact players that really bring the team up a level. If they are the 2 or 3 non-qualifiers, that could be an issue. For example, the tall midfielder is very good, if he is not on-age for WSYL, that would be a problem in Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true, maybe 2, 3 kids at most before the sept 1st birthday. They will do well at WSYL

They might do OK. Going 1 or 2 games over 500. WSYL will forever be a Long Island dominated event. They start building for the event in 5th grade and have two years of year-round practice so everyone can watch two Long Island or NY/CT team in the finals. Express CoachS will win, they will either play the Wolfpack or Primetime in the finals.

Parents and kids love the event but have realistic expectations. You are going to Denver to play a little lacrosse, eat Mexican food and drink. Not a bad 4th weekend.

Get your team into the NLF Club National Championship next summer and bring your summer birthdays. Rumor has it they are cutting out the "national teams" so it should be a good test for your full team.

Just out of curiosity, if most teams, if not all, that play in the NLF championship will have holdbacks/reclasses, why does the NLF have an issue with the national teams playing, is it because they are just make-shift teams that do not typically play together. While I have no love for the national team concept, why are they singled out. I am not trying to be controversial, just curious as to the rationale. For example, the DC Dogs team at the 2023 Millon national championship last summer included a few kids pulled from Next Level, and they also ended up in that NLF championship game against True national. Under the above rationale DC Dogs would be eligible, but True national would not. But that also begs the question, how would this be enforced, teams like True would just bring True "Illinois" and have a bunch of add-ons like DC Dogs. As we all are well aware, there will be no actual enforcement, and if there is, the effected teams will probably claim that the NLF "founding" clubs are just scared to play the top teams. I can definitely see teams like Express and 91 not being happy when they are excluded from the championship games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true, maybe 2, 3 kids at most before the sept 1st birthday. They will do well at WSYL

They might do OK. Going 1 or 2 games over 500. WSYL will forever be a Long Island dominated event. They start building for the event in 5th grade and have two years of year-round practice so everyone can watch two Long Island or NY/CT team in the finals. Express CoachS will win, they will either play the Wolfpack or Primetime in the finals.

Parents and kids love the event but have realistic expectations. You are going to Denver to play a little lacrosse, eat Mexican food and drink. Not a bad 4th weekend.

Get your team into the NLF Club National Championship next summer and bring your summer birthdays. Rumor has it they are cutting out the "national teams" so it should be a good test for your full team.

Express wont make the finals

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true, maybe 2, 3 kids at most before the sept 1st birthday. They will do well at WSYL

They might do OK. Going 1 or 2 games over 500. WSYL will forever be a Long Island dominated event. They start building for the event in 5th grade and have two years of year-round practice so everyone can watch two Long Island or NY/CT team in the finals. Express CoachS will win, they will either play the Wolfpack or Primetime in the finals.

Parents and kids love the event but have realistic expectations. You are going to Denver to play a little lacrosse, eat Mexican food and drink. Not a bad 4th weekend.

Get your team into the NLF Club National Championship next summer and bring your summer birthdays. Rumor has it they are cutting out the "national teams" so it should be a good test for your full team.

Just out of curiosity, if most teams, if not all, that play in the NLF championship will have holdbacks/reclasses, why does the NLF have an issue with the national teams playing, is it because they are just make-shift teams that do not typically play together. While I have no love for the national team concept, why are they singled out. I am not trying to be controversial, just curious as to the rationale. For example, the DC Dogs team at the 2023 Millon national championship last summer included a few kids pulled from Next Level, and they also ended up in that NLF championship game against True national. Under the above rationale DC Dogs would be eligible, but True national would not. But that also begs the question, how would this be enforced, teams like True would just bring True "Illinois" and have a bunch of add-ons like DC Dogs. As we all are well aware, there will be no actual enforcement, and if there is, the effected teams will probably claim that the NLF "founding" clubs are just scared to play the top teams. I can definitely see teams like Express and 91 not being happy when they are excluded from the championship games.

I can't speak for the NLF. My guess it is because West Coast Starz, Sweetlax National & Ture were in the finals last year with players from multiple states on their rosters, taking spots away from NLF teams. I don't think anyone is scared to play the top teams but they are running a business. I would bet their customers were pissed so they are making adjustments.
DC Dogs could pull in Next Level kids without anyone knowing. All live in the same area.
Love them or hate them, the one thing you can say about Dynamic Sports Management (the brains behind the NLF), it's not a bunch of lacrosse players that don't want to get a real job after college. They manage things like a real company.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true, maybe 2, 3 kids at most before the sept 1st birthday. They will do well at WSYL

They might do OK. Going 1 or 2 games over 500. WSYL will forever be a Long Island dominated event. They start building for the event in 5th grade and have two years of year-round practice so everyone can watch two Long Island or NY/CT team in the finals. Express CoachS will win, they will either play the Wolfpack or Primetime in the finals.

Parents and kids love the event but have realistic expectations. You are going to Denver to play a little lacrosse, eat Mexican food and drink. Not a bad 4th weekend.

Get your team into the NLF Club National Championship next summer and bring your summer birthdays. Rumor has it they are cutting out the "national teams" so it should be a good test for your full team.

Just out of curiosity, if most teams, if not all, that play in the NLF championship will have holdbacks/reclasses, why does the NLF have an issue with the national teams playing, is it because they are just make-shift teams that do not typically play together. While I have no love for the national team concept, why are they singled out. I am not trying to be controversial, just curious as to the rationale. For example, the DC Dogs team at the 2023 Millon national championship last summer included a few kids pulled from Next Level, and they also ended up in that NLF championship game against True national. Under the above rationale DC Dogs would be eligible, but True national would not. But that also begs the question, how would this be enforced, teams like True would just bring True "Illinois" and have a bunch of add-ons like DC Dogs. As we all are well aware, there will be no actual enforcement, and if there is, the effected teams will probably claim that the NLF "founding" clubs are just scared to play the top teams. I can definitely see teams like Express and 91 not being happy when they are excluded from the championship games.

I can't speak for the NLF. My guess it is because West Coast Starz, Sweetlax National & Ture were in the finals last year with players from multiple states on their rosters, taking spots away from NLF teams. I don't think anyone is scared to play the top teams but they are running a business. I would bet their customers were pissed so they are making adjustments.
DC Dogs could pull in Next Level kids without anyone knowing. All live in the same area.
Love them or hate them, the one thing you can say about Dynamic Sports Management (the brains behind the NLF), it's not a bunch of lacrosse players that don't want to get a real job after college. They manage things like a real company.

Lurking DMV person here but the comments about DC Dogs are not accurate. While it is true that some NL kids played in WSYL and DC Dogs in the same summer, that is very different from a National or even regional team. There are many teams in the DMV area and if they put together an all star team like True it would be interesting to say the least. My son plays with and is friends with many of these kids. At 2023 the Madlax Capital team was not an elite team and would not have done well at WSYL but did not even try to qualify. Most ML teams do not. The top teams in the area last spring were Club Blue, Next Level, and Bethesda. Next Level did field a team for WSYL. Madlax folded the Capital team and at the same time merged with Club Blue. This was in the spring. Madlax DC Dogs was formed and had an open tryout. Some of the Next Level kids attended the tryout. They had also committed to play at WSYL which they had already qualified for. Those kids are now part of the new team DC Dogs. They are not "borrowed" from Next Level. It is not accurate to compare the DC Dogs team to a National team like West Coast Starz, Sweetlax National, or True. They are a local group of kids who have played together for a long time. Most even attend the same middle school.a2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true, maybe 2, 3 kids at most before the sept 1st birthday. They will do well at WSYL

They might do OK. Going 1 or 2 games over 500. WSYL will forever be a Long Island dominated event. They start building for the event in 5th grade and have two years of year-round practice so everyone can watch two Long Island or NY/CT team in the finals. Express CoachS will win, they will either play the Wolfpack or Primetime in the finals.

Parents and kids love the event but have realistic expectations. You are going to Denver to play a little lacrosse, eat Mexican food and drink. Not a bad 4th weekend.

Get your team into the NLF Club National Championship next summer and bring your summer birthdays. Rumor has it they are cutting out the "national teams" so it should be a good test for your full team.

Just out of curiosity, if most teams, if not all, that play in the NLF championship will have holdbacks/reclasses, why does the NLF have an issue with the national teams playing, is it because they are just make-shift teams that do not typically play together. While I have no love for the national team concept, why are they singled out. I am not trying to be controversial, just curious as to the rationale. For example, the DC Dogs team at the 2023 Millon national championship last summer included a few kids pulled from Next Level, and they also ended up in that NLF championship game against True national. Under the above rationale DC Dogs would be eligible, but True national would not. But that also begs the question, how would this be enforced, teams like True would just bring True "Illinois" and have a bunch of add-ons like DC Dogs. As we all are well aware, there will be no actual enforcement, and if there is, the effected teams will probably claim that the NLF "founding" clubs are just scared to play the top teams. I can definitely see teams like Express and 91 not being happy when they are excluded from the championship games.

I can't speak for the NLF. My guess it is because West Coast Starz, Sweetlax National & Ture were in the finals last year with players from multiple states on their rosters, taking spots away from NLF teams. I don't think anyone is scared to play the top teams but they are running a business. I would bet their customers were pissed so they are making adjustments.
DC Dogs could pull in Next Level kids without anyone knowing. All live in the same area.
Love them or hate them, the one thing you can say about Dynamic Sports Management (the brains behind the NLF), it's not a bunch of lacrosse players that don't want to get a real job after college. They manage things like a real company.

Agreed, DSM is just stacking things to their benefit (and yes they are unique in a world full of lax players trying to run businesses). As for the DC Dogs issue, I disagree. The lax world is small, everybody knows everything. Every kid and parent at the Millon event that went to Denver or played in the qualifier knew exactly who the kids were on DC Dogs. If your club is playing the bigger events, whether NLF or tournaments like Naptown, you see these kids all of the time. My son could probably rattle off the names of the best kids on most of the top teams in the country, they all cross paths at tournaments and follow each other on social media.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true, maybe 2, 3 kids at most before the sept 1st birthday. They will do well at WSYL

They might do OK. Going 1 or 2 games over 500. WSYL will forever be a Long Island dominated event. They start building for the event in 5th grade and have two years of year-round practice so everyone can watch two Long Island or NY/CT team in the finals. Express CoachS will win, they will either play the Wolfpack or Primetime in the finals.

Parents and kids love the event but have realistic expectations. You are going to Denver to play a little lacrosse, eat Mexican food and drink. Not a bad 4th weekend.

Get your team into the NLF Club National Championship next summer and bring your summer birthdays. Rumor has it they are cutting out the "national teams" so it should be a good test for your full team.

Just out of curiosity, if most teams, if not all, that play in the NLF championship will have holdbacks/reclasses, why does the NLF have an issue with the national teams playing, is it because they are just make-shift teams that do not typically play together. While I have no love for the national team concept, why are they singled out. I am not trying to be controversial, just curious as to the rationale. For example, the DC Dogs team at the 2023 Millon national championship last summer included a few kids pulled from Next Level, and they also ended up in that NLF championship game against True national. Under the above rationale DC Dogs would be eligible, but True national would not. But that also begs the question, how would this be enforced, teams like True would just bring True "Illinois" and have a bunch of add-ons like DC Dogs. As we all are well aware, there will be no actual enforcement, and if there is, the effected teams will probably claim that the NLF "founding" clubs are just scared to play the top teams. I can definitely see teams like Express and 91 not being happy when they are excluded from the championship games.

I can't speak for the NLF. My guess it is because West Coast Starz, Sweetlax National & Ture were in the finals last year with players from multiple states on their rosters, taking spots away from NLF teams. I don't think anyone is scared to play the top teams but they are running a business. I would bet their customers were pissed so they are making adjustments.
DC Dogs could pull in Next Level kids without anyone knowing. All live in the same area.
Love them or hate them, the one thing you can say about Dynamic Sports Management (the brains behind the NLF), it's not a bunch of lacrosse players that don't want to get a real job after college. They manage things like a real company.

Lurking DMV person here but the comments about DC Dogs are not accurate. While it is true that some NL kids played in WSYL and DC Dogs in the same summer, that is very different from a National or even regional team. There are many teams in the DMV area and if they put together an all star team like True it would be interesting to say the least. My son plays with and is friends with many of these kids. At 2023 the Madlax Capital team was not an elite team and would not have done well at WSYL but did not even try to qualify. Most ML teams do not. The top teams in the area last spring were Club Blue, Next Level, and Bethesda. Next Level did field a team for WSYL. Madlax folded the Capital team and at the same time merged with Club Blue. This was in the spring. Madlax DC Dogs was formed and had an open tryout. Some of the Next Level kids attended the tryout. They had also committed to play at WSYL which they had already qualified for. Those kids are now part of the new team DC Dogs. They are not "borrowed" from Next Level. It is not accurate to compare the DC Dogs team to a National team like West Coast Starz, Sweetlax National, or True. They are a local group of kids who have played together for a long time. Most even attend the same middle school.a2

Either way, I do not understand the problem with the national team concept. Again, while I do not like the national teams organizationally, I think that you made a very interesting point about DC Dogs vs. a national team. The DMV area is flooded with lacrosse players, therefore, it is easy to put together an elite level team like DC Dogs, Hawks or Crabs with local product. However, the rest of the country, outside of the Northeast, is not equally flush with elite level players or elite level teams. Perhaps the national team model serves the interests of the kid from Utah or Minnesota that does not have an option for elite level lacrosse locally. Kids flying in from Texas and Florida to play for Maryland clubs supports this demand just as much as the national team does. My guess is that the national team concept will fizzle out at some point once the sport has grown to the extent that elite level tournaments are being held on a more regular basis nationally, Once the kid from Utah or Minnesota can play regionally, there will be no incentive for parents to pay top dollar to fly their kids to a tournament in Maryland.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true, maybe 2, 3 kids at most before the sept 1st birthday. They will do well at WSYL

They might do OK. Going 1 or 2 games over 500. WSYL will forever be a Long Island dominated event. They start building for the event in 5th grade and have two years of year-round practice so everyone can watch two Long Island or NY/CT team in the finals. Express CoachS will win, they will either play the Wolfpack or Primetime in the finals.

Parents and kids love the event but have realistic expectations. You are going to Denver to play a little lacrosse, eat Mexican food and drink. Not a bad 4th weekend.

Get your team into the NLF Club National Championship next summer and bring your summer birthdays. Rumor has it they are cutting out the "national teams" so it should be a good test for your full team.

Just out of curiosity, if most teams, if not all, that play in the NLF championship will have holdbacks/reclasses, why does the NLF have an issue with the national teams playing, is it because they are just make-shift teams that do not typically play together. While I have no love for the national team concept, why are they singled out. I am not trying to be controversial, just curious as to the rationale. For example, the DC Dogs team at the 2023 Millon national championship last summer included a few kids pulled from Next Level, and they also ended up in that NLF championship game against True national. Under the above rationale DC Dogs would be eligible, but True national would not. But that also begs the question, how would this be enforced, teams like True would just bring True "Illinois" and have a bunch of add-ons like DC Dogs. As we all are well aware, there will be no actual enforcement, and if there is, the effected teams will probably claim that the NLF "founding" clubs are just scared to play the top teams. I can definitely see teams like Express and 91 not being happy when they are excluded from the championship games.

I can't speak for the NLF. My guess it is because West Coast Starz, Sweetlax National & Ture were in the finals last year with players from multiple states on their rosters, taking spots away from NLF teams. I don't think anyone is scared to play the top teams but they are running a business. I would bet their customers were pissed so they are making adjustments.
DC Dogs could pull in Next Level kids without anyone knowing. All live in the same area.
Love them or hate them, the one thing you can say about Dynamic Sports Management (the brains behind the NLF), it's not a bunch of lacrosse players that don't want to get a real job after college. They manage things like a real company.

Lurking DMV person here but the comments about DC Dogs are not accurate. While it is true that some NL kids played in WSYL and DC Dogs in the same summer, that is very different from a National or even regional team. There are many teams in the DMV area and if they put together an all star team like True it would be interesting to say the least. My son plays with and is friends with many of these kids. At 2023 the Madlax Capital team was not an elite team and would not have done well at WSYL but did not even try to qualify. Most ML teams do not. The top teams in the area last spring were Club Blue, Next Level, and Bethesda. Next Level did field a team for WSYL. Madlax folded the Capital team and at the same time merged with Club Blue. This was in the spring. Madlax DC Dogs was formed and had an open tryout. Some of the Next Level kids attended the tryout. They had also committed to play at WSYL which they had already qualified for. Those kids are now part of the new team DC Dogs. They are not "borrowed" from Next Level. It is not accurate to compare the DC Dogs team to a National team like West Coast Starz, Sweetlax National, or True. They are a local group of kids who have played together for a long time. Most even attend the same middle school.a2

Either way, I do not understand the problem with the national team concept. Again, while I do not like the national teams organizationally, I think that you made a very interesting point about DC Dogs vs. a national team. The DMV area is flooded with lacrosse players, therefore, it is easy to put together an elite level team like DC Dogs, Hawks or Crabs with local product. However, the rest of the country, outside of the Northeast, is not equally flush with elite level players or elite level teams. Perhaps the national team model serves the interests of the kid from Utah or Minnesota that does not have an option for elite level lacrosse locally. Kids flying in from Texas and Florida to play for Maryland clubs supports this demand just as much as the national team does. My guess is that the national team concept will fizzle out at some point once the sport has grown to the extent that elite level tournaments are being held on a more regular basis nationally, Once the kid from Utah or Minnesota can play regionally, there will be no incentive for parents to pay top dollar to fly their kids to a tournament in Maryland.

I also do not have a problem with the national team concept. I was reading a post in the NJ section and it mentioned that NLF would not allow national teams at the event. Just wanted to clarify that DC Dogs is neither a national team or an all star team. Mad Lax has a national team.

I also do not have a problem with the national team concept. I was reading a post in the NJ section and it mentioned that NLF would not allow national teams at the event. Just wanted to clarify that DC Dogs is neither a national team or an all star team. Mad Lax has a national team.[/quote]

Yes understood about DC Dogs, I was just trying to draw a parallel between them and a national team with respect to the ability to aggregate talent. I have no doubt about DC Dogs being a local product team and also not an all-star team.

So the nlf will it allow national teams at their events but it's ok for their own teams(2022 express and 91LI and 91MD) to have players from all different states play in the events. Players who don't practice, just show up to tournaments. NLF is a by chance of hypocrites.

taking this back to NJ - do any clubs offer a real full year program? looking for something to replace a shoddy rec team in the spring particularly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the nlf will it allow national teams at their events but it's ok for their own teams(2022 express and 91LI and 91MD) to have players from all different states play in the events. Players who don't practice, just show up to tournaments. NLF is a by chance of hypocrites.

Money grab

Originally Posted by Anonymous

taking this back to NJ - do any clubs offer a real full year program? looking for something to replace a shoddy rec team in the spring particularly

'25 Mad Dog Black. Blatant Spring Jam, NXT Spring League, Play Days with Mesa and working on additional playdays with LI & MD teams. Practicing multiple times a week. Should have a complete schedule by Mid-February.

Leading Edge at the 8th-grade level.

Not sure about North Jersey.

Fall Rankings for NJ teams
Leading Edge and BBL with 5 teams in top 5.. Followed by Tri State with 4 & Mad Dog with 3.

3 LEADING EDGE 2020
14 PATRIOT ELITE 2020
17 SOUTH SHORE 2020
30 TRI STATE 2020
34 BBL ELITE BLACK 2020

3 BBL ELITE BLACK 2021
4 LEADING EDGE 2021
23 MAD DOG NJ 2021
31 STEPS 2021
34 TRI STATE 2021

8 LEADING EDGE 2022
9 BBL ELITE BLACK 2022
31 STEPS 2022
33 SOUTH SHORE 2022
38 TRI STATE 2022

8 LEADING EDGE 2023
18 TRI STATE 2023
19 BBL ELITE BLACK 2023
22 BLUE STAR 2023
30 NJ RIOT 2023

11 TEAM UNITED 2024
19 MAD DOG NJ 2024
22 BBL ELITE BLACK 2024
24 NJ RIOT 2024
26 LEADING EDGE 2024

10 MAD DOG NJ 2025
12 BBL ELITE BLACK 2025
24 TRIBAL LC 2025
33 SOUTH SHORE 2025
42 PATRIOT ELITE 2025

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall Rankings for NJ teams
Leading Edge and BBL with 5 teams in top 5.. Followed by Tri State with 4 & Mad Dog with 3.

3 LEADING EDGE 2020
14 PATRIOT ELITE 2020
17 SOUTH SHORE 2020
30 TRI STATE 2020
34 BBL ELITE BLACK 2020

3 BBL ELITE BLACK 2021
4 LEADING EDGE 2021
23 MAD DOG NJ 2021
31 STEPS 2021
34 TRI STATE 2021

8 LEADING EDGE 2022
9 BBL ELITE BLACK 2022
31 STEPS 2022
33 SOUTH SHORE 2022
38 TRI STATE 2022

8 LEADING EDGE 2023
18 TRI STATE 2023
19 BBL ELITE BLACK 2023
22 BLUE STAR 2023
30 NJ RIOT 2023

11 TEAM UNITED 2024
19 MAD DOG NJ 2024
22 BBL ELITE BLACK 2024
24 NJ RIOT 2024
26 LEADING EDGE 2024

10 MAD DOG NJ 2025
12 BBL ELITE BLACK 2025
24 TRIBAL LC 2025
33 SOUTH SHORE 2025
42 PATRIOT ELITE 2025

With a few exceptions, this is probably pretty accurate with respect the NJ teams head-to-head. I think that LE 2023 may be a little high in the rankings overall at #8, and there definitely may be some disagreement about the top 3 order at 2024.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall Rankings for NJ teams p
Leading Edge and BBL with 5 teams in top 5.. Followed by Tri State with 4 & Mad Dog with 3.

3 LEADING EDGE 2020
14 PATRIOT ELITE 2020
17 SOUTH SHORE 2020
30 TRI STATE 2020
34 BBL ELITE BLACK 2020

3 BBL ELITE BLACK 2021
4 LEADING EDGE 2021
23 MAD DOG NJ 2021
31 STEPS 2021
34 TRI STATE 2021

8 LEADING EDGE 2022
9 BBL ELITE BLACK 2022
31 STEPS 2022
33 SOUTH SHORE 2022
38 TRI STATE 2022

8 LEADING EDGE 2023
18 TRI STATE 2023
19 BBL ELITE BLACK 2023
22 BLUE STAR 2023
30 NJ RIOT 2023

11 TEAM UNITED 2024
19 MAD DOG NJ 2024
22 BBL ELITE BLACK 2024
24 NJ RIOT 2024
26 LEADING EDGE 2024

10 MAD DOG NJ 2025
12 BBL ELITE BLACK 2025
24 TRIBAL LC 2025
33 SOUTH SHORE 2025
42 PATRIOT ELITE 2025

With a few exceptions, this is probably pretty accurate with respect the NJ teams head-to-head. I think that LE 2023 may be a little high in the rankings overall at #8, and there definitely may be some disagreement about the top 3 order at 2024.

'21 TriState is should above Steps and Mad Dog
'24 BBL is better than United and Mad Dog.
'25 Tribal should be above Mad Dog and BBL

Supprised how few Blue Star teams are on the list and how many team Mad Dog has on the list considering how many players keep leaving their High School teams.

didn't '21 TriState beat '21 Leading Edge pretty badly last summer?

Why isn’t Steps better?

The rankings are still in their infancy - Limited information and data to back up their algorithm. I think everything will shake out as it develops, but some very noticeable flaws for this first go around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall Rankings for NJ teams p
Leading Edge and BBL with 5 teams in top 5.. Followed by Tri State with 4 & Mad Dog with 3.

3 LEADING EDGE 2020
14 PATRIOT ELITE 2020
17 SOUTH SHORE 2020
30 TRI STATE 2020
34 BBL ELITE BLACK 2020

3 BBL ELITE BLACK 2021
4 LEADING EDGE 2021
23 MAD DOG NJ 2021
31 STEPS 2021
34 TRI STATE 2021

8 LEADING EDGE 2022
9 BBL ELITE BLACK 2022
31 STEPS 2022
33 SOUTH SHORE 2022
38 TRI STATE 2022

8 LEADING EDGE 2023
18 TRI STATE 2023
19 BBL ELITE BLACK 2023
22 BLUE STAR 2023
30 NJ RIOT 2023

11 TEAM UNITED 2024
19 MAD DOG NJ 2024
22 BBL ELITE BLACK 2024
24 NJ RIOT 2024
26 LEADING EDGE 2024

10 MAD DOG NJ 2025
12 BBL ELITE BLACK 2025
24 TRIBAL LC 2025
33 SOUTH SHORE 2025
42 PATRIOT ELITE 2025

With a few exceptions, this is probably pretty accurate with respect the NJ teams head-to-head. I think that LE 2023 may be a little high in the rankings overall at #8, and there definitely may be some disagreement about the top 3 order at 2024.

'21 TriState is should above Steps and Mad Dog
'24 BBL is better than United and Mad Dog.
'25 Tribal should be above Mad Dog and BBL

Supprised how few Blue Star teams are on the list and how many team Mad Dog has on the list considering how many players keep leaving their High School teams.

BBL 24 is significantly better than the rank. They won NAPTOWN last summer, they won NXT indoor this weekend. This isn’t a mom, dad or coach. They beat my son’s team at NAPTOWN and looked good doing it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall Rankings for NJ teams p
Leading Edge and BBL with 5 teams in top 5.. Followed by Tri State with 4 & Mad Dog with 3.

3 LEADING EDGE 2020
14 PATRIOT ELITE 2020
17 SOUTH SHORE 2020
30 TRI STATE 2020
34 BBL ELITE BLACK 2020

3 BBL ELITE BLACK 2021
4 LEADING EDGE 2021
23 MAD DOG NJ 2021
31 STEPS 2021
34 TRI STATE 2021

8 LEADING EDGE 2022
9 BBL ELITE BLACK 2022
31 STEPS 2022
33 SOUTH SHORE 2022
38 TRI STATE 2022

8 LEADING EDGE 2023
18 TRI STATE 2023
19 BBL ELITE BLACK 2023
22 BLUE STAR 2023
30 NJ RIOT 2023

11 TEAM UNITED 2024
19 MAD DOG NJ 2024
22 BBL ELITE BLACK 2024
24 NJ RIOT 2024
26 LEADING EDGE 2024

10 MAD DOG NJ 2025
12 BBL ELITE BLACK 2025
24 TRIBAL LC 2025
33 SOUTH SHORE 2025
42 PATRIOT ELITE 2025

With a few exceptions, this is probably pretty accurate with respect the NJ teams head-to-head. I think that LE 2023 may be a little high in the rankings overall at #8, and there definitely may be some disagreement about the top 3 order at 2024.

'21 TriState is should above Steps and Mad Dog
'24 BBL is better than United and Mad Dog.
'25 Tribal should be above Mad Dog and BBL

Supprised how few Blue Star teams are on the list and how many team Mad Dog has on the list considering how many players keep leaving their High School teams.

BBL 24 is significantly better than the rank. They won NAPTOWN last summer, they won NXT indoor this weekend. This isn’t a mom, dad or coach. They beat my son’s team at NAPTOWN and looked good doing it.

The ranking was based on the fall. 7th-grade is a fun year, kids develop early and the teams with the most developed kids end up winning.
At the end of the day, ranking means nothing.

The 2019 team was outstanding. Beat LE, Edge, LB3, 3D, Sweetlax, etc. the few times they played over the last few years; split several close games with Prime Time and Laxachusetts, which were outstanding at 2019. Never lost to Patriot, Riot, or any other NJ team, ever. Won 2 or 3 tournaments each year. The team had very little turnover and they got better each year with outstanding coaching.
The younger teams aren't as strong and parents are more apt to chase the shiny object now and move from team to team seeking 7th grade immortality rather than have some patience. More turnover is rarely a good thing, because there are fewer and fewer good kids each year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2019 team was outstanding. Beat LE, Edge, LB3, 3D, Sweetlax, etc. the few times they played over the last few years; split several close games with Prime Time and Laxachusetts, which were outstanding at 2019. Never lost to Patriot, Riot, or any other NJ team, ever. Won 2 or 3 tournaments each year. The team had very little turnover and they got better each year with outstanding coaching.
The younger teams aren't as strong and parents are more apt to chase the shiny object now and move from team to team seeking 7th grade immortality rather than have some patience. More turnover is rarely a good thing, because there are fewer and fewer good kids each year.

Who are you talking about? Club teams are different from year to year. Coaches, how the club treats the team. Sounds like your son happened to be on a "special" team from whatever club you are talking about.

I have two sons, one happens to be on a "special" team from the club we play for. The older boys team takes kids just to fill the team, fired the head coach without a replacement. I see it first hand how the teams are treated, are you saying I should have patience and keep paying for a team the club could care less about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2019 team was outstanding. Beat LE, Edge, LB3, 3D, Sweetlax, etc. the few times they played over the last few years; split several close games with Prime Time and Laxachusetts, which were outstanding at 2019. Never lost to Patriot, Riot, or any other NJ team, ever. Won 2 or 3 tournaments each year. The team had very little turnover and they got better each year with outstanding coaching.
The younger teams aren't as strong and parents are more apt to chase the shiny object now and move from team to team seeking 7th grade immortality rather than have some patience. More turnover is rarely a good thing, because there are fewer and fewer good kids each year.

Who are you talking about? Club teams are different from year to year. Coaches, how the club treats the team. Sounds like your son happened to be on a "special" team from whatever club you are talking about.

I have two sons, one happens to be on a "special" team from the club we play for. The older boys team takes kids just to fill the team, fired the head coach without a replacement. I see it first hand how the teams are treated, are you saying I should have patience and keep paying for a team the club could care less about?

I thought I was responding to the Steps question; sorry for the confusion. Yes, the 2019 club was a special group and were coached very well and consistently, with the same coach for 4 years ( who happens to coach Delbarton). All of their success came while rigidly splitting time 50/50 with a 24-man lineup. I love to watch my kids and they're very good, but to be honest when a team has literally no dropoff at any position, it's fun watching when they're sitting for a quarter.

The 2019 team maybe had two spots turn over each year, and after a number of years together they could really play the game. I have a younger son whose team is close to 30-40% a year, and if those new kids aren't absolute studs it will take a while for the team to get as good as it was the year before.

It sounds like your older son is unfortunately getting the all-too-common money grab treatment, and no one could blame you for pulling him if the club is not invested in getting him better. One of the only upsides to there being so many clubs now is that there are a lot of clubs now if you're not happy...

Was at the Mad Dog vs BBL '25 game yesterday at the Mesa play day. BBL should be embarrassed by the behavior of some of your parents. Mad Dog by no means was running up the score.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was at the Mad Dog vs BBL '25 game yesterday at the Mesa play day. BBL should be embarrassed by the behavior of some of your parents. Mad Dog by no means was running up the score.

Mad Dog post showed the score as 7-0..that doesn't even enter the discussion for running up the score...MD 2025 team is pretty stacked, surprised it wasn't worse

Looks like some Mad Dog players went to NJLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like some Mad Dog players went to NJLC.

NJLC, Tri State, United..either way, it will all unravel next year with high school, there will be a lot of moves, especially with Leading Edge, half of the current roster will not make the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like some Mad Dog players went to NJLC.

NJLC, Tri State, United..either way, it will all unravel next year with high school, there will be a lot of moves, especially with Leading Edge, half of the current roster will not make the team.

Mad Dog is unraveling at all ages?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like some Mad Dog players went to NJLC.

NJLC, Tri State, United..either way, it will all unravel next year with high school, there will be a lot of moves, especially with Leading Edge, half of the current roster will not make the team.

Mad Dog is unraveling at all ages?

It was really just the 2023 team, but they do have a history of losing high school players. I think that it was just the culmination of several years of issues with the team. It's unfortunate because some of the new guys that they have brought in to coach at Mad Dog are really great. Perhaps as some of the younger teams get though the system, things will get better. Their 2025 team is excellent.

My son will be going into 6th grade. We live in Morris County. He plays for a local club.
What clubs are good and known for good youth programs? Thoughts on BBL Helix team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son will be going into 6th grade. We live in Morris County. He plays for a local club.
What clubs are good and known for good youth programs? Thoughts on BBL Helix team?

Play for the club his friends play for. Make sure he enjoys the sport before you start traveling to Long Island in the spring with BBL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son will be going into 6th grade. We live in Morris County. He plays for a local club.
What clubs are good and known for good youth programs? Thoughts on BBL Helix team?

Play for the club his friends play for. Make sure he enjoys the sport before you start traveling to Long Island in the spring with BBL.

Depending where you are in Morris County, BBL would probably be the closest. Leading Edge, Tri-State and Blue Star are other good options as well. I agree with the comment above, make sure this is what your son really wants because it is a huge time/travel commitment, it also helps if he has friends on the team as there can be a lot of downtime. For the most part, none of these teams play in NJ in the summer LI, PA, MD and DE are where most of the tournaments are located. You will be on the road every weekend during June and part of July, so don't count on any vacations until the end of July or August. Helix is not BBL's top team, but is a stepping stone to their Elite team, a lot depends on your son's skill level.

He plays for a local club right now and loves lacrosse, he has lots of friends on that team.

Which is why we stayed with it. He will be ready for the next level, next year (7th) most likely with more competitive tournaments. I thought LE is a club you go to at the older levels, high school.

The BBL Elite team is very hard to make but a great team. I guess its worth a shot. And I will see how he feels at the end of the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He plays for a local club right now and loves lacrosse, he has lots of friends on that team.

Which is why we stayed with it. He will be ready for the next level, next year (7th) most likely with more competitive tournaments. I thought LE is a club you go to at the older levels, high school.

The BBL Elite team is very hard to make but a great team. I guess its worth a shot. And I will see how he feels at the end of the summer.

Yes, LE is traditionally more of a draw in high school. If he really loves it, then give Helix a shot. As I said above, if he really progresses, the Elite team is always a great option. That being said, as with every club, each age group is very different. For example, as far as NJ teams go, the 2024 BBL Elite team is one of the top teams, but at 2025, Mad Dog is the better team, and BBL Elite and Tri-State have typically dominated the 2023 age group. If he is an outgoing kid, he will have no problem fitting in on a new team, and hopefully, there is a decent group of parents to socialize with on tournament weekends. A toxic group of parents can destroy the whole experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He plays for a local club right now and loves lacrosse, he has lots of friends on that team.

Which is why we stayed with it. He will be ready for the next level, next year (7th) most likely with more competitive tournaments. I thought LE is a club you go to at the older levels, high school.

The BBL Elite team is very hard to make but a great team. I guess its worth a shot. And I will see how he feels at the end of the summer.

Yes, LE is traditionally more of a draw in high school. If he really loves it, then give Helix a shot. As I said above, if he really progresses, the Elite team is always a great option. That being said, as with every club, each age group is very different. For example, as far as NJ teams go, the 2024 BBL Elite team is one of the top teams, but at 2025, Mad Dog is the better team, and BBL Elite and Tri-State have typically dominated the 2023 age group. If he is an outgoing kid, he will have no problem fitting in on a new team, and hopefully, there is a decent group of parents to socialize with on tournament weekends. A toxic group of parents can destroy the whole experience.

Are you saying BBL has toxic parents?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He plays for a local club right now and loves lacrosse, he has lots of friends on that team.

Which is why we stayed with it. He will be ready for the next level, next year (7th) most likely with more competitive tournaments. I thought LE is a club you go to at the older levels, high school.

The BBL Elite team is very hard to make but a great team. I guess its worth a shot. And I will see how he feels at the end of the summer.

Yes, LE is traditionally more of a draw in high school. If he really loves it, then give Helix a shot. As I said above, if he really progresses, the Elite team is always a great option. That being said, as with every club, each age group is very different. For example, as far as NJ teams go, the 2024 BBL Elite team is one of the top teams, but at 2025, Mad Dog is the better team, and BBL Elite and Tri-State have typically dominated the 2023 age group. If he is an outgoing kid, he will have no problem fitting in on a new team, and hopefully, there is a decent group of parents to socialize with on tournament weekends. A toxic group of parents can destroy the whole experience.

Are you saying BBL has toxic parents?

Not at all, it was simply a general statement, my interaction with most BBL parents has been positive...but every club is going to have a few

What about team 91 (new NJ team)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about team 91 (new NJ team)

It is not a new team, it used to be Leading Edge South. The LE South teams were typically pretty weak, even in B level tournaments. I don't think that much has changed. If this is the same poster with the 6th grader, the best 2025 team right now is Mad Dog, after that, there is a good mix of options between BBL, Tri State and Blue Star, they are all good programs.

I saw team 91 North (NJ) is having their first tryout this summer and seem to have a good director. Does anyone know anything about this new team forming?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw team 91 North (NJ) is having their first tryout this summer and seem to have a good director. Does anyone know anything about this new team forming?

Just what NJ needs, another team to dilute the talent even further. A good director means nothing without capable players.

Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?

A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?

A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.

Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?

A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.

Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.[/quot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?

A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.

Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.

It never does.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?

A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.

Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.[/quot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?

A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.

Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.

It never does.

Not disagreeing with you, but it seems like a kid trying to get in front of his high school coach would gravitate towards the coach's club. It happens so often in MD, you would think that the mindset is similar elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?

A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.

Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.[/quot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?

A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.

Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.

It never does.

Not disagreeing with you, but it seems like a kid trying to get in front of his high school coach would gravitate towards the coach's club. It happens so often in MD, you would think that the mindset is similar elsewhere.

The talent pool in NJ isn't that great. On top of that, the coaches club isn't doing well. They have become a tier 2 club.

The real question is how did the coach get that job. The AD and coach should be worried about keeping their jobs. That pool of parents can't be happy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?

A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.

Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.[/quot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?

A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.

Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.

It never does.

Not disagreeing with you, but it seems like a kid trying to get in front of his high school coach would gravitate towards the coach's club. It happens so often in MD, you would think that the mindset is similar elsewhere.

The talent pool in NJ isn't that great. On top of that, the coaches club isn't doing well. They have become a tier 2 club.

The real question is how did the coach get that job. The AD and coach should be worried about keeping their jobs. That pool of parents can't be happy.

While not solid top to bottom (although the same can be said for all of the NJ clubs) they seem to have a few quality teams in the mix, and probably a handful of players that would be welcome on any other club. I suspect that the school parents will hold their breath for the moment and see how things progress. He's an experienced coach with a solid lacrosse pedigree, plus an unbelievable talent pool to work with.

So it looks like BBL will probably make the quarter finals based their very easy schedule so far at the WSYl. The test will be today against Long Island Express. Express shut them down easily earlier in the summer. Depending on who they play, they will never be able to touch any of the following teams. Wolfpack, Taz, True Illinois State 2024 Premier and Brotherly Love. If they lose to Express they will play Wolfpack and be done. Express has very large defenders who will be able to keep the attackmen away from the goal. We'll see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it looks like BBL will probably make the quarter finals based their very easy schedule so far at the WSYl. The test will be today against Long Island Express. Express shut them down easily earlier in the summer. Depending on who they play, they will never be able to touch any of the following teams. Wolfpack, Taz, True Illinois State 2024 Premier and Brotherly Love. If they lose to Express they will play Wolfpack and be done. Express has very large defenders who will be able to keep the attackmen away from the goal. We'll see.

Wow. BBl destroyed Express. Interesting.

Original poster clearly has no clue what he’s talking about. Good luck in your C team tournament this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it looks like BBL will probably make the quarter finals based their very easy schedule so far at the WSYl. The test will be today against Long Island Express. Express shut them down easily earlier in the summer. Depending on who they play, they will never be able to touch any of the following teams. Wolfpack, Taz, True Illinois State 2024 Premier and Brotherly Love. If they lose to Express they will play Wolfpack and be done. Express has very large defenders who will be able to keep the attackmen away from the goal. We'll see.

Wow. BBl destroyed Express. Interesting.

Great win for BBL and NJ lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it looks like BBL will probably make the quarter finals based their very easy schedule so far at the WSYl. The test will be today against Long Island Express. Express shut them down easily earlier in the summer. Depending on who they play, they will never be able to touch any of the following teams. Wolfpack, Taz, True Illinois State 2024 Premier and Brotherly Love. If they lose to Express they will play Wolfpack and be done. Express has very large defenders who will be able to keep the attackmen away from the goal. We'll see.

Wow. BBl destroyed Express. Interesting.

Great win for BBL and NJ lacrosse

Everyone outside LI would like to see them beat the Wolfpack tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it looks like BBL will probably make the quarter finals based their very easy schedule so far at the WSYl. The test will be today against Long Island Express. Express shut them down easily earlier in the summer. Depending on who they play, they will never be able to touch any of the following teams. Wolfpack, Taz, True Illinois State 2024 Premier and Brotherly Love. If they lose to Express they will play Wolfpack and be done. Express has very large defenders who will be able to keep the attackmen away from the goal. We'll see.

Wow. BBl destroyed Express. Interesting.

Great win for BBL and NJ lacrosse

Everyone outside LI would like to see them beat the Wolfpack tomorrow.

As expected Wolfpack beat BBL. As expected Wolfpack is playing Taz for the championship. Everyone has been waiting for years to see these two teams fight it out on TV. I would put my money on Wolfpack. They are consistent. Taz not so much.

Just curious... was the WSYL BBL team their usual set of kids, or did they add kids just for this tourney? They looked pretty good.

They added some kids to replace several over aged kids on their team.

What NJ'25 team is going to make a run at the WSYL? BBL, Tri-State, Tribal?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What NJ'25 team is going to make a run at the WSYL? BBL, Tri-State, Tribal?

If Mad Dog decides to enter a team, they are probably the strongest 2025 team in NJ, United's 2025 is really good as well, but they don't get involved with WSYL

Which means kids aren’t on age if they aren’t doing WSYL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What NJ'25 team is going to make a run at the WSYL? BBL, Tri-State, Tribal?

If Mad Dog decides to enter a team, they are probably the strongest 2025 team in NJ, United's 2025 is really good as well, but they don't get involved with WSYL

BBL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What NJ'25 team is going to make a run at the WSYL? BBL, Tri-State, Tribal?

If Mad Dog decides to enter a team, they are probably the strongest 2025 team in NJ, United's 2025 is really good as well, but they don't get involved with WSYL

BBL

Tri-State is losing players at multiple levels. Mad Dog needs to pick up players, they have a great core crew but are very thin. BBL needs to pick up players as well.
Challenge for most teams are parents willing to spend $3,000 to $5,000 to get beat up by LI teams that are going 3 days a week for 11 months. Look at the scores from this year. The winning teams are playing fast with transition goals. NJ teams slow it down too much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which means kids aren’t on age if they aren’t doing WSYL

Not necessarily true, some teams/parents do not think that the experience is worth the cost. If you are not going to be top 2 or 3 at qualifier, it is a waste of time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What NJ'25 team is going to make a run at the WSYL? BBL, Tri-State, Tribal?

If Mad Dog decides to enter a team, they are probably the strongest 2025 team in NJ, United's 2025 is really good as well, but they don't get involved with WSYL

BBL

Tri-State is losing players at multiple levels. Mad Dog needs to pick up players, they have a great core crew but are very thin. BBL needs to pick up players as well.
Challenge for most teams are parents willing to spend $3,000 to $5,000 to get beat up by LI teams that are going 3 days a week for 11 months. Look at the scores from this year. The winning teams are playing fast with transition goals. NJ teams slow it down too much.

Since Tri-State is one of the few NJ clubs that goes to WSYL, they are able to draw kids in for their WSYL team, may not be the best model, but they will get the kids....and I wouldn't be surprised if you see a bump in Tri State from kids looking to play at SHP

Anybody have info on Tribal? Seem to be making strong showing for WSYL, but not much on older teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody have info on Tribal? Seem to be making strong showing for WSYL, but not much on older teams.

Best '25 team in NJ. They have some big kids so not sure if they will make the age requirement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody have info on Tribal? Seem to be making strong showing for WSYL, but not much on older teams.

Best '25 team in NJ. They have some big kids so not sure if they will make the age requirement.

I have heard that their '25 team is very good, did they have any games against Mad Dog or United this year. I know that both of those clubs have strong '25 teams as well, curious as to how they match up.

Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.

they are talking about 2025s not 2024s, but you are right BBL 2024 is top 2024 NJ team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.

Stop pretending your kid played for Wolfpack you BBL parent. No Wolfpack player would ever play for BBL which is full of holdbacks. Everyone knows this. Don't try to elevate BBL by pretending to play for Wolfpack. Please!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.

Stop pretending your kid played for Wolfpack you BBL parent. No Wolfpack player would ever play for BBL which is full of holdbacks. Everyone knows this. Don't try to elevate BBL by pretending to play for Wolfpack. Please!!!!!!

You do realize that WSYL is age based right? Put down the vape and pay attention. Chances are your team will never make it to Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.

Stop pretending your kid played for Wolfpack you BBL parent. No Wolfpack player would ever play for BBL which is full of holdbacks. Everyone knows this. Don't try to elevate BBL by pretending to play for Wolfpack. Please!!!!!!

You do realize that WSYL is age based right? Put down the vape and pay attention. Chances are your team will never make it to Denver.

Yes I do. But wait. Several of 2024 BBL holdbacks were left behind during the WSYL to take playing time away from the kids on the B Team. Every Wolfpack parent knows that the top BBL 2024 Team is full of holdbacks. It's laughable to think that any Wolfpack player would travel to the arm pit of the world to play on BBL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.

Stop pretending your kid played for Wolfpack you BBL parent. No Wolfpack player would ever play for BBL which is full of holdbacks. Everyone knows this. Don't try to elevate BBL by pretending to play for Wolfpack. Please!!!!!!

You do realize that WSYL is age based right? Put down the vape and pay attention. Chances are your team will never make it to Denver.

Yes I do. But wait. Several of 2024 BBL holdbacks were left behind during the WSYL to take playing time away from the kids on the B Team. Every Wolfpack parent knows that the top BBL 2024 Team is full of holdbacks. It's laughable to think that any Wolfpack player would travel to the arm pit of the world to play on BBL.

You're obviously a dullard. I know it's hard for you to comprehend that kids who play in WSYL in two consecutive years mean they played up the first year and played on age the second. It's blowing your mind and confusing you to think this is a bad thing and equates it to holdbacks. With that IQ, you don't make enough to live here. Good thing. We don't want to support your kids' food stamps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.

Stop pretending your kid played for Wolfpack you BBL parent. No Wolfpack player would ever play for BBL which is full of holdbacks. Everyone knows this. Don't try to elevate BBL by pretending to play for Wolfpack. Please!!!!!!

You do realize that WSYL is age based right? Put down the vape and pay attention. Chances are your team will never make it to Denver.

Yes I do. But wait. Several of 2024 BBL holdbacks were left behind during the WSYL to take playing time away from the kids on the B Team. Every Wolfpack parent knows that the top BBL 2024 Team is full of holdbacks. It's laughable to think that any Wolfpack player would travel to the arm pit of the world to play on BBL.

You're obviously a dullard. I know it's hard for you to comprehend that kids who play in WSYL in two consecutive years mean they played up the first year and played on age the second. It's blowing your mind and confusing you to think this is a bad thing and equates it to holdbacks. With that IQ, you don't make enough to live here. Good thing. We don't want to support your kids' food stamps.

You know what I am saying is true. I am not talking about the WSYL. I am NOT knocking the team that went to Denver. I am talking about the BBL Black 2024 team. There ARE holdbacks on the team. You can spin it any way you want -- but it's true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.

Stop pretending your kid played for Wolfpack you BBL parent. No Wolfpack player would ever play for BBL which is full of holdbacks. Everyone knows this. Don't try to elevate BBL by pretending to play for Wolfpack. Please!!!!!!

You do realize that WSYL is age based right? Put down the vape and pay attention. Chances are your team will never make it to Denver.

Yes I do. But wait. Several of 2024 BBL holdbacks were left behind during the WSYL to take playing time away from the kids on the B Team. Every Wolfpack parent knows that the top BBL 2024 Team is full of holdbacks. It's laughable to think that any Wolfpack player would travel to the arm pit of the world to play on BBL.

You're obviously a dullard. I know it's hard for you to comprehend that kids who play in WSYL in two consecutive years mean they played up the first year and played on age the second. It's blowing your mind and confusing you to think this is a bad thing and equates it to holdbacks. With that IQ, you don't make enough to live here. Good thing. We don't want to support your kids' food stamps.

You know what I am saying is true. I am not talking about the WSYL. I am NOT knocking the team that went to Denver. I am talking about the BBL Black 2024 team. There ARE holdbacks on the team. You can spin it any way you want -- but it's true.

You’re kidding right? Because if you’re not and you’re seriously asking point blank about the makeup of a youth team that you obviously know nothing about, then I take back what I said that you’re naturally slow. You’re just pathetic and I’ll leave you to continually wonder if the team that smacks yours in tourneys are on age or not. And you’re definitely not jersey material ‘cause you’re weak. Stay where you are and keep your muni job.

...because Jersey "Strong" posts anonymously on a childrens lacrosse board? Take that tough guy attitude down to Seaside and go fist pump with Paulie D and The Situation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

...because Jersey "Strong" posts anonymously on a childrens lacrosse board? Take that tough guy attitude down to Seaside and go fist pump with Paulie D and The Situation.

Ha! I was waiting for this from you. You're so unoriginal and predictable. Now go away. This board was quiet before you wandered in. Let's keep it that way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

...because Jersey "Strong" posts anonymously on a childrens lacrosse board? Take that tough guy attitude down to Seaside and go fist pump with Paulie D and The Situation.

Ha! I was waiting for this from you. You're so unoriginal and predictable. Now go away. This board was quiet before you wandered in. Let's keep it that way.

The purpose of this board is to discuss topics relating lacrosse. Holdbacks may be the single greatest concern to the game right now. This subject is not going away. Big shout out to all the parents who don't try to cheat the system.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

...because Jersey "Strong" posts anonymously on a childrens lacrosse board? Take that tough guy attitude down to Seaside and go fist pump with Paulie D and The Situation.

Ha! I was waiting for this from you. You're so unoriginal and predictable. Now go away. This board was quiet before you wandered in. Let's keep it that way.

The purpose of this board is to discuss topics relating lacrosse. Holdbacks may be the single greatest concern to the game right now. This subject is not going away. Big shout out to all the parents who don't try to cheat the system.

Ok at least we can agree on that issue. We are all against using holdbacks to gain unfair advantage. But we also dislike those who spread rumors and lies about other teams. You would probably react the same way and defend your team. Just know that in general, NJ, PA and NY fall mostly into the same category when it comes to average age of grade based teams as compared to DMV and New England.. Peace

Why are Holdbacks the single greatest concern to the game right now? Honest question so please don't attack me

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are Holdbacks the single greatest concern to the game right now? Honest question so please don't attack me

Obviously, so long as tournaments are grade based, not much can be done about the age of a player so long as he is playing in his proper graduating year. I think that the bigger issue is when teams, and not pointing to any NJ teams, bring in older players (by graduation year) to compete in a tournament. For example (and I have no direct knowledge of what actually happened), there are allegations being made that certain teams that played the NLF championship this past weekend had 2023 kids playing for the 2024 team, that, in my opinion, is pretty underhanded. I'm sure that plenty of teams in NJ have kids that are older as compared to their peers in their graduating class, but nothing improper with that under current rules.

Does that really happen (not being coy asking that) ? I would think that with how competitive these teams/kids/parents are, no one would even think of playing down an age group....big shot to the ego of the kids...and the parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are Holdbacks the single greatest concern to the game right now? Honest question so please don't attack me

Obviously, so long as tournaments are grade based, not much can be done about the age of a player so long as he is playing in his proper graduating year. I think that the bigger issue is when teams, and not pointing to any NJ teams, bring in older players (by graduation year) to compete in a tournament. For example (and I have no direct knowledge of what actually happened), there are allegations being made that certain teams that played the NLF championship this past weekend had 2023 kids playing for the 2024 team, that, in my opinion, is pretty underhanded. I'm sure that plenty of teams in NJ have kids that are older as compared to their peers in their graduating class, but nothing improper with that under current rules.

From what I have learned, parents have a "reasonable expectation" that their kids will be matched up against others in their age range. Hopefully this will never have to be tested in court.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are Holdbacks the single greatest concern to the game right now? Honest question so please don't attack me

Obviously, so long as tournaments are grade based, not much can be done about the age of a player so long as he is playing in his proper graduating year. I think that the bigger issue is when teams, and not pointing to any NJ teams, bring in older players (by graduation year) to compete in a tournament. For example (and I have no direct knowledge of what actually happened), there are allegations being made that certain teams that played the NLF championship this past weekend had 2023 kids playing for the 2024 team, that, in my opinion, is pretty underhanded. I'm sure that plenty of teams in NJ have kids that are older as compared to their peers in their graduating class, but nothing improper with that under current rules.

From what I have learned, parents have a "reasonable expectation" that their kids will be matched up against others in their age range. Hopefully this will never have to be tested in court.

This! Well said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are Holdbacks the single greatest concern to the game right now? Honest question so please don't attack me

Obviously, so long as tournaments are grade based, not much can be done about the age of a player so long as he is playing in his proper graduating year. I think that the bigger issue is when teams, and not pointing to any NJ teams, bring in older players (by graduation year) to compete in a tournament. For example (and I have no direct knowledge of what actually happened), there are allegations being made that certain teams that played the NLF championship this past weekend had 2023 kids playing for the 2024 team, that, in my opinion, is pretty underhanded. I'm sure that plenty of teams in NJ have kids that are older as compared to their peers in their graduating class, but nothing improper with that under current rules.

From what I have learned, parents have a "reasonable expectation" that their kids will be matched up against others in their age range. Hopefully this will never have to be tested in court.

This! Well said.

Unfortunately, you are dealing with a system that is completely "unreasonable" at this point

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are Holdbacks the single greatest concern to the game right now? Honest question so please don't attack me

Obviously, so long as tournaments are grade based, not much can be done about the age of a player so long as he is playing in his proper graduating year. I think that the bigger issue is when teams, and not pointing to any NJ teams, bring in older players (by graduation year) to compete in a tournament. For example (and I have no direct knowledge of what actually happened), there are allegations being made that certain teams that played the NLF championship this past weekend had 2023 kids playing for the 2024 team, that, in my opinion, is pretty underhanded. I'm sure that plenty of teams in NJ have kids that are older as compared to their peers in their graduating class, but nothing improper with that under current rules.

From what I have learned, parents have a "reasonable expectation" that their kids will be matched up against others in their age range. Hopefully this will never have to be tested in court.

This! Well said.

Unfortunately, you are dealing with a system that is completely "unreasonable" at this point

I'm not sure a court would have much sympathy for the "but other people do it" excuse. Especially when dealing with children. Again, I hope that there is never a reason to test this in court.

So what's the word on BBL 2024? Did they cut any players. If so, from what teams did they take players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what's the word on BBL 2024? Did they cut any players. If so, from what teams did they take players?

A couple are new but pretty much the same team with most of the players from WSYL remaining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what's the word on BBL 2024? Did they cut any players. If so, from what teams did they take players?

A couple are new but pretty much the same team with most of the players from WSYL remaining.

US Club Lax just posted the Final Rankings for 2019. BBL 2024 Ranked #4.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what's the word on BBL 2024? Did they cut any players. If so, from what teams did they take players?

A couple are new but pretty much the same team with most of the players from WSYL remaining.

US Club Lax just posted the Final Rankings for 2019. BBL 2024 Ranked #4.

BBL is the best '24 in NJ. No surprise Leading Edge was the top NJ team from '23 up. BBL '20 and TriState '21 in top 15.

'21 Mad Dog National is a great team but sure they should count as an NJ team. Going to be interesting to see if the CA & TX kids continue to play with the team after 9/1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what's the word on BBL 2024? Did they cut any players. If so, from what teams did they take players?

A couple are new but pretty much the same team with most of the players from WSYL remaining.

US Club Lax just posted the Final Rankings for 2019. BBL 2024 Ranked #4.

It would be interesting to see the criteria used for compiling this list - both subjective and objective.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what's the word on BBL 2024? Did they cut any players. If so, from what teams did they take players?

A couple are new but pretty much the same team with most of the players from WSYL remaining.

US Club Lax just posted the Final Rankings for 2019. BBL 2024 Ranked #4.

It would be interesting to see the criteria used for compiling this list - both subjective and objective.

(This info is from US Club Lax's Instagram. Copied and pasted.)

Understanding the Rankings:

Rankings are determined using these factors: tournament strength, playoff outcomes, undefeated points, winning percentage and bracket placement.

How RPI is calculated:
The index comprises a team's winning %, it's opponents' winning %, the winning % of those opponents' opponents and goal differential (maximum 8 goals). The opponents' winning % and the winning % of those opponents' opponents both comprise the Strength of Schedule (SOS).

Strength of Schedule:
After playing in a tournament and or bracket the computer will look at the winning %/opponents' win % and opponents' opponent's win % of those in the bracket and will calculate whether this tournament and or bracket is a SOS denomination of 1 through 5 (5 being the Highest)

Head to Head:
"We beat that team!", "We have beaten the #7 team how are we ranked lower?".. We get these questions every time we put out the rankings. Head to head match ups only matter for the SOS portion of the rankings.. Just because you beat a team ahead of you does not mean you leap frog them in the rankings. Example: If Duke basketball is #1 and loses to a non-ranked opponent, that does not mean that, that team now becomes the #1 team in the country. It helps their overall SOS but does not catapult teams ahead of them.

Losing Record and Ranked or Winning Record and Not Ranked:
"We are 17-2. Why are you ignoring us? There is a team with a losing record that is ranked above us, how is that possible?".. If there is a team with a losing record in the rankings, you have to look at their SOS. That means they are playing in the top brackets and tournaments in the country, week in and week out. If your team has an amazing record and is not ranked, it has nothing to do with US Club Lacrosse ignoring your program or team. It simply means the computer calculated that the tournament, bracket or teams you played against was not competitive enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what's the word on BBL 2024? Did they cut any players. If so, from what teams did they take players?

A couple are new but pretty much the same team with most of the players from WSYL remaining.

US Club Lax just posted the Final Rankings for 2019. BBL 2024 Ranked #4.

It would be interesting to see the criteria used for compiling this list - both subjective and objective.

(This info is from US Club Lax's Instagram. Copied and pasted.)

Understanding the Rankings:

Rankings are determined using these factors: tournament strength, playoff outcomes, undefeated points, winning percentage and bracket placement.

How RPI is calculated:
The index comprises a team's winning %, it's opponents' winning %, the winning % of those opponents' opponents and goal differential (maximum 8 goals). The opponents' winning % and the winning % of those opponents' opponents both comprise the Strength of Schedule (SOS).

Strength of Schedule:
After playing in a tournament and or bracket the computer will look at the winning %/opponents' win % and opponents' opponent's win % of those in the bracket and will calculate whether this tournament and or bracket is a SOS denomination of 1 through 5 (5 being the Highest)

Head to Head:
"We beat that team!", "We have beaten the #7 team how are we ranked lower?".. We get these questions every time we put out the rankings. Head to head match ups only matter for the SOS portion of the rankings.. Just because you beat a team ahead of you does not mean you leap frog them in the rankings. Example: If Duke basketball is #1 and loses to a non-ranked opponent, that does not mean that, that team now becomes the #1 team in the country. It helps their overall SOS but does not catapult teams ahead of them.

Losing Record and Ranked or Winning Record and Not Ranked:
"We are 17-2. Why are you ignoring us? There is a team with a losing record that is ranked above us, how is that possible?".. If there is a team with a losing record in the rankings, you have to look at their SOS. That means they are playing in the top brackets and tournaments in the country, week in and week out. If your team has an amazing record and is not ranked, it has nothing to do with US Club Lacrosse ignoring your program or team. It simply means the computer calculated that the tournament, bracket or teams you played against was not competitive enough.

"Nissan WSYL/Inside Lacrosse 13U Final World Rankings" just came out.. BBL ranked 2nd.

Seems like there were quite a few player moves at 2023, was Mad Dog able to reformulate a team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like there were quite a few player moves at 2023, was Mad Dog able to reformulate a team

Doesn't matter. Tribal is taking over. Everyone else is on notice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like there were quite a few player moves at 2023, was Mad Dog able to reformulate a team

10 players at tryouts. Not sure they can create a team. Their top 2024 moved to Blue Star and United. MD Girls Directors left for T3. Not good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like there were quite a few player moves at 2023, was Mad Dog able to reformulate a team

10 players at tryouts. Not sure they can create a team. Their top 2024 moved to Blue Star and United. MD Girls Directors left for T3. Not good

Seems like a bunch of kids, not just from MD, migrated to Blue Star. Tough market for Mad Dog with United up the street. The MD 2025 team is pretty solid, perhaps they can build off of that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what's the word on BBL 2024? Did they cut any players. If so, from what teams did they take players?

A couple are new but pretty much the same team with most of the players from WSYL remaining.

US Club Lax just posted the Final Rankings for 2019. BBL 2024 Ranked #4.

It would be interesting to see the criteria used for compiling this list - both subjective and objective.

(This info is from US Club Lax's Instagram. Copied and pasted.)

Understanding the Rankings:

Rankings are determined using these factors: tournament strength, playoff outcomes, undefeated points, winning percentage and bracket placement.

How RPI is calculated:
The index comprises a team's winning %, it's opponents' winning %, the winning % of those opponents' opponents and goal differential (maximum 8 goals). The opponents' winning % and the winning % of those opponents' opponents both comprise the Strength of Schedule (SOS).

Strength of Schedule:
After playing in a tournament and or bracket the computer will look at the winning %/opponents' win % and opponents' opponent's win % of those in the bracket and will calculate whether this tournament and or bracket is a SOS denomination of 1 through 5 (5 being the Highest)

Head to Head:
"We beat that team!", "We have beaten the #7 team how are we ranked lower?".. We get these questions every time we put out the rankings. Head to head match ups only matter for the SOS portion of the rankings.. Just because you beat a team ahead of you does not mean you leap frog them in the rankings. Example: If Duke basketball is #1 and loses to a non-ranked opponent, that does not mean that, that team now becomes the #1 team in the country. It helps their overall SOS but does not catapult teams ahead of them.

Losing Record and Ranked or Winning Record and Not Ranked:
"We are 17-2. Why are you ignoring us? There is a team with a losing record that is ranked above us, how is that possible?".. If there is a team with a losing record in the rankings, you have to look at their SOS. That means they are playing in the top brackets and tournaments in the country, week in and week out. If your team has an amazing record and is not ranked, it has nothing to do with US Club Lacrosse ignoring your program or team. It simply means the computer calculated that the tournament, bracket or teams you played against was not competitive enough.

"Nissan WSYL/Inside Lacrosse 13U Final World Rankings" just came out. BBL ranked 2nd.

I wouldn't be bragging about this BBL parent. The hard reality is going to take hold next summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Nissan WSYL/Inside Lacrosse 13U Final World Rankings" just came out. BBL ranked 2nd.

I wouldn't be bragging about this BBL parent. The hard reality is going to take hold next summer.

Here we go.. he's back trolling the jersey board. I'll play.. what's this hard reality that's brewing in that melon of yours?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like there were quite a few player moves at 2023, was Mad Dog able to reformulate a team

10 players at tryouts. Not sure they can create a team. Their top 2024 moved to Blue Star and United. MD Girls Directors left for T3. Not good

Seems like a bunch of kids, not just from MD, migrated to Blue Star. Tough market for Mad Dog with United up the street. The MD 2025 team is pretty solid, perhaps they can build off of that.

Great White Lacrosse/Shark River took all of MD younger teams. $3,000 vs $900. No brainer for a 4th, 5th & 6th graders. Not sure what they have to build on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like there were quite a few player moves at 2023, was Mad Dog able to reformulate a team

10 players at tryouts. Not sure they can create a team. Their top 2024 moved to Blue Star and United. MD Girls Directors left for T3. Not good

Seems like a bunch of kids, not just from MD, migrated to Blue Star. Tough market for Mad Dog with United up the street. The MD 2025 team is pretty solid, perhaps they can build off of that.

Great White Lacrosse/Shark River took all of MD younger teams. $3,000 vs $900. No brainer for a 4th, 5th & 6th graders. Not sure what they have to build on.

Any truth to Tommy D moving back to NJ to taking over the CBA job and fixing the issues at Mad Dog NJ. Stagnitta taking over CA after he is done at Hopkins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like there were quite a few player moves at 2023, was Mad Dog able to reformulate a team

10 players at tryouts. Not sure they can create a team. Their top 2024 moved to Blue Star and United. MD Girls Directors left for T3. Not good

Seems like a bunch of kids, not just from MD, migrated to Blue Star. Tough market for Mad Dog with United up the street. The MD 2025 team is pretty solid, perhaps they can build off of that.

Great White Lacrosse/Shark River took all of MD younger teams. $3,000 vs $900. No brainer for a 4th, 5th & 6th graders. Not sure what they have to build on.

Not sure how anybody can expect to get another program up and running in the area. I guess the questions is, what do you get for $900. Are they going to play tournaments (no way $900 covers tournament fees), paid coaches or parent coaches, do they have reliable practice space...when you factor in all of the variables, then you can decide whether it is a good deal. The other problem is that, as these kids get older, and if they turn into higher level players, they will migrate to other clubs which are perceived as "the team to be on"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like there were quite a few player moves at 2023, was Mad Dog able to reformulate a team

10 players at tryouts. Not sure they can create a team. Their top 2024 moved to Blue Star and United. MD Girls Directors left for T3. Not good

Seems like a bunch of kids, not just from MD, migrated to Blue Star. Tough market for Mad Dog with United up the street. The MD 2025 team is pretty solid, perhaps they can build off of that.

Great White Lacrosse/Shark River took all of MD younger teams. $3,000 vs $900. No brainer for a 4th, 5th & 6th graders. Not sure what they have to build on.

Any truth to Tommy D moving back to NJ to taking over the CBA job and fixing the issues at Mad Dog NJ. Stagnitta taking over CA after he is done at Hopkins.

Not true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Nissan WSYL/Inside Lacrosse 13U Final World Rankings" just came out. BBL ranked 2nd.

I wouldn't be bragging about this BBL parent. The hard reality is going to take hold next summer.

Here we go.. he's back trolling the jersey board. I'll play.. what's this hard reality that's brewing in that melon of yours?

Guess you'll have to wait and see. Hopefully you guys won't see Wolfpack, Madlax, Eclipse or Taz in the fall or summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Nissan WSYL/Inside Lacrosse 13U Final World Rankings" just came out. BBL ranked 2nd.

I wouldn't be bragging about this BBL parent. The hard reality is going to take hold next summer.

Here we go.. he's back trolling the jersey board. I'll play.. what's this hard reality that's brewing in that melon of yours?

Guess you'll have to wait and see. Hopefully you guys won't see Wolfpack, Madlax, Eclipse or Taz in the fall or summer.

I see you're family is back from your annual Busch Gardens vacation and you'd been hitting the sauce hard again because you're not making any sense. The whole point of being in a top lax club IS to play the top teams and hopefully win and be competitive. We hate blowing out inferior teams because it's a total waste of time. You wouldn't know that because your son is on a B team and play weak teams. Plus you're teaching him to be afraid of playing good teams which will turn him into a wimp like you are. That's ok with me. By the way, do your homework, we'd played all the teams (except Eclipse) you mentioned and we're looking forward to playing them again. Keep hitting the sauce wimp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like there were quite a few player moves at 2023, was Mad Dog able to reformulate a team

Doesn't matter. Tribal is taking over. Everyone else is on notice.

Pump the brakes, Tribal has one good team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like there were quite a few player moves at 2023, was Mad Dog able to reformulate a team

Doesn't matter. Tribal is taking over. Everyone else is on notice.

Pump the brakes, Tribal has one good team

South (Jersey) will Rise Again!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like there were quite a few player moves at 2023, was Mad Dog able to reformulate a team

Doesn't matter. Tribal is taking over. Everyone else is on notice.

Pump the brakes, Tribal has one good team

South (Jersey) will Rise Again!

Dumdum.. you got it wrong... you should hope instead the entire state should rise against LI and MD. Jersey is better off without people like you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like there were quite a few player moves at 2023, was Mad Dog able to reformulate a team

Doesn't matter. Tribal is taking over. Everyone else is on notice.

Pump the brakes, Tribal has one good team

South (Jersey) will Rise Again!

All kidding aside, does the proximity to the Philly area programs create an issue retaining players. If one were very ambitions, Maryland is not really that far either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Nissan WSYL/Inside Lacrosse 13U Final World Rankings" just came out. BBL ranked 2nd.

I wouldn't be bragging about this BBL parent. The hard reality is going to take hold next summer.

Here we go.. he's back trolling the jersey board. I'll play.. what's this hard reality that's brewing in that melon of yours?

Guess you'll have to wait and see. Hopefully you guys won't see Wolfpack, Madlax, Eclipse or Taz in the fall or summer.

I see you're family is back from your annual Busch Gardens vacation and you'd been hitting the sauce hard again because you're not making any sense. The whole point of being in a top lax club IS to play the top teams and hopefully win and be competitive. We hate blowing out inferior teams because it's a total waste of time. You wouldn't know that because your son is on a B team and play weak teams. Plus you're teaching him to be afraid of playing good teams which will turn him into a wimp like you are. That's ok with me. By the way, do your homework, we'd played all the teams (except Eclipse) you mentioned and we're looking forward to playing them again. Keep hitting the sauce wimp.

Wow. I seem to have really got under your skin. Good luck with your season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like there were quite a few player moves at 2023, was Mad Dog able to reformulate a team

Doesn't matter. Tribal is taking over. Everyone else is on notice.

Pump the brakes, Tribal has one good team

South (Jersey) will Rise Again!

All kidding aside, does the proximity to the Philly area programs create an issue retaining players. If one were very ambitions, Maryland is not really that far either.

I can tell you it happens and it's not unique to NJ. Top players will always seek top teams that will give them the opportunity to play in top brackets. For instance, players from PA playing with LI teams (Express and 91). Imagine that commute. But can you and I really claim we wouldn't do the same for our sons?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Nissan WSYL/Inside Lacrosse 13U Final World Rankings" just came out. BBL ranked 2nd.

I wouldn't be bragging about this BBL parent. The hard reality is going to take hold next summer.

Here we go.. he's back trolling the jersey board. I'll play.. what's this hard reality that's brewing in that melon of yours?

Guess you'll have to wait and see. Hopefully you guys won't see Wolfpack, Madlax, Eclipse or Taz in the fall or summer.

I see you're family is back from your annual Busch Gardens vacation and you'd been hitting the sauce hard again because you're not making any sense. The whole point of being in a top lax club IS to play the top teams and hopefully win and be competitive. We hate blowing out inferior teams because it's a total waste of time. You wouldn't know that because your son is on a B team and play weak teams. Plus you're teaching him to be afraid of playing good teams which will turn him into a wimp like you are. That's ok with me. By the way, do your homework, we'd played all the teams (except Eclipse) you mentioned and we're looking forward to playing them again. Keep hitting the sauce wimp.

Wow. I seem to have really got under your skin. Good luck with your season.

Disappointing.. you're not worth it.. good luck with your son's B team, there's nothing wrong with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like there were quite a few player moves at 2023, was Mad Dog able to reformulate a team

Doesn't matter. Tribal is taking over. Everyone else is on notice.

Pump the brakes, Tribal has one good team

South (Jersey) will Rise Again!

All kidding aside, does the proximity to the Philly area programs create an issue retaining players. If one were very ambitions, Maryland is not really that far either.

I can tell you it happens and it's not unique to NJ. Top players will always seek top teams that will give them the opportunity to play in top brackets. For instance, players from PA playing with LI teams (Express and 91). Imagine that commute. But can you and I really claim we wouldn't do the same for our sons?

Your are right on that with commute and doing whatever it take for your son. We are on LI and was invited to a philly team that is the tops in my kids age and coaching and we are doing it. It will be a ton in the car but a sacrifice and a good lesson for my boy on wanting something. Anyone else do this type of commute? you're experience? Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can tell you it happens and it's not unique to NJ. Top players will always seek top teams that will give them the opportunity to play in top brackets. For instance, players from PA playing with LI teams (Express and 91). Imagine that commute. But can you and I really claim we wouldn't do the same for our sons?

Your are right on that with commute and doing whatever it take for your son. We are on LI and was invited to a philly team that is the tops in my kids age and coaching and we are doing it. It will be a ton in the car but a sacrifice and a good lesson for my boy on wanting something. Anyone else do this type of commute? you're experience? Thanks

That's dedication! Always look at the bright side, you get to spend quality time with your son on your car ride, he will improve his game and will meet kids outside his circle. Good luck!

Looking for some elite high school training for the fall. I have been looking at the BBL site. Does anyone know of any other clubs or coaches that have good classes or clinics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for some elite high school training for the fall. I have been looking at the BBL site. Does anyone know of any other clubs or coaches that have good classes or clinics.

Depending on where you live, shop around clubs in your area by calling the club director and better yet, ask to speak to the coach of your son's year and ask for a skills assessment (hopefully free or reduced fee). My 2 cents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for some elite high school training for the fall. I have been looking at the BBL site. Does anyone know of any other clubs or coaches that have good classes or clinics.

Depending on where you live, shop around clubs in your area by calling the club director and better yet, ask to speak to the coach of your son's year and ask for a skills assessment (hopefully free or reduced fee). My 2 cents.

Most clubs have a fall programming for high school. Does you current club not offer fall practices and tournaments, that would raise a red flag for me.

What happened to Mad Dog NJ. Multiple sources saying they only have one team, 2025s, and a Sea Girt middies dad is trying to move that team to United to play for the Manasquan High School coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to Mad Dog NJ. Multiple sources saying they only have one team, 2025s, and a Sea Girt middies dad is trying to move that team to United to play for the Manasquan High School coach.

Interesting considering that United already has a solid 2025 team. That being said, I don't understand why there are so many issues at Mad Dog, my interactions with their current coaches and director have always been positive, is this just fallout from mismanagement that occurred in prior years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to Mad Dog NJ. Multiple sources saying they only have one team, 2025s, and a Sea Girt middies dad is trying to move that team to United to play for the Manasquan High School coach.

Interesting considering that United already has a solid 2025 team. That being said, I don't understand why there are so many issues at Mad Dog, my interactions with their current coaches and director have always been positive, is this just fallout from mismanagement that occurred in prior years.

They shipped one of their directors to LA. Good move for the director, from the looks of it, they are down to 1 team in NJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to Mad Dog NJ. Multiple sources saying they only have one team, 2025s, and a Sea Girt middies dad is trying to move that team to United to play for the Manasquan High School coach.

Interesting considering that United already has a solid 2025 team. That being said, I don't understand why there are so many issues at Mad Dog, my interactions with their current coaches and director have always been positive, is this just fallout from mismanagement that occurred in prior years.

They shipped one of their directors to LA. Good move for the director, from the looks of it, they are down to 1 team in NJ.

Correction, the United 2024 is their strong team, not 2025, either way, that MD 2025 team is very good

What's going on with TriState? Blue Start picked up a number of their players. It only took MV 3 years!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going on with TriState? Blue Start picked up a number of their players. It only took MV 3 years!

Not really sure what to make of it, but with the tri-state kids and a few other additions, the blue star 2023 team could be interesting. A lot of the tri-state kids that left the last 2 years were from the old shore team, a bunch to blue star and a few went to Leading Edge, there was some decent talent on that shore team

Bluestar 2023 not interesting at all. Have 2 maybe( stress maybe) 3 decent players (one an ex-tristate for sure) played them over summer-not a real challenge

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bluestar 2023 not interesting at all. Have 2 maybe( stress maybe) 3 decent players (one an ex-tristate for sure) played them over summer-not a real challenge

The team added several new players since the summer, so last summer is not really relevant to the discussion, but no way to know what type of impact there will be until they play a few games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bluestar 2023 not interesting at all. Have 2 maybe( stress maybe) 3 decent players (one an ex-tristate for sure) played them over summer-not a real challenge

My son does not play for Blue Star, but I have heard good things about the program. I can tell you right now that there are more than 3 decent players. Kids move around for good and bad reasons.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bluestar 2023 not interesting at all. Have 2 maybe( stress maybe) 3 decent players (one an ex-tristate for sure) played them over summer-not a real challenge

The team added several new players since the summer, so last summer is not really relevant to the discussion, but no way to know what type of impact there will be until they play a few games.

We'll see this summer! I'm still not worried

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bluestar 2023 not interesting at all. Have 2 maybe( stress maybe) 3 decent players (one an ex-tristate for sure) played them over summer-not a real challenge

The team added several new players since the summer, so last summer is not really relevant to the discussion, but no way to know what type of impact there will be until they play a few games.

We'll see this summer! I'm still not worried

Not sure why you would be worried either way. The discussion was simply about the team improving, nobody said anything about beating your son's team, whatever that team may be, or any other team. Either way, I'm glad that you won't lose any sleep over it, it would be pathetic if you did.

What about BBL or NJ Riot - where are they ranked for the class of 2023?

Originally Posted by NJ_Laxer

What about BBL or NJ Riot - where are they ranked for the class of 2023?

Putting aside the reclass argument, Leading Edge may be the strongest NJ 2023 team, and that is just based on last seasons results, plus the new additions. BBL is also really strong, they had some quality wins at Naptown, but had a rough tournament at Milion event, on a good day, they probably match up well with LE. Not really sure about Riot, not that they aren't a strong team, just don't know how they did this past summer. Since there was a lot of player movement after the season, hard to tell what is going to happen until the teams play a few games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going on with TriState? Blue Start picked up a number of their players. It only took MV 3 years!

TriState was bad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going on with TriState? Blue Start picked up a number of their players. It only took MV 3 years!

TriState was bad

Unfortunate considering how good the shore 2023 team was a few years back, definitely a lost opportunity with that group, and now Leading Edge and Blue Star benefit. While there is always a bit of re-shuffling before high school, the tri state situation was pretty substantial this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going on with TriState? Blue Start picked up a number of their players. It only took MV 3 years!

TriState was bad

Unfortunate considering how good the shore 2023 team was a few years back, definitely a lost opportunity with that group, and now Leading Edge and Blue Star benefit. While there is always a bit of re-shuffling before high school, the tri state situation was pretty substantial this year

Wasn't Tri-Stste bought out by Mad Dog Lacrosse? I heard there were some internal issues with the owners which led them to sell it to Mad Dog - can anyone verify that?

Originally Posted by NJ_Laxer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going on with TriState? Blue Start picked up a number of their players. It only took MV 3 years!

TriState was bad

Unfortunate considering how good the shore 2023 team was a few years back, definitely a lost opportunity with that group, and now Leading Edge and Blue Star benefit. While there is always a bit of re-shuffling before high school, the tri state situation was pretty substantial this year

Wasn't Tri-Stste bought out by Mad Dog Lacrosse? I heard there were some internal issues with the owners which led them to sell it to Mad Dog - can anyone verify that?

Would be a smart move for both clubs, but I don't think that there is any truth to that rumor.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJ_Laxer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going on with TriState? Blue Start picked up a number of their players. It only took MV 3 years!

TriState was bad

Unfortunate considering how good the shore 2023 team was a few years back, definitely a lost opportunity with that group, and now Leading Edge and Blue Star benefit. While there is always a bit of re-shuffling before high school, the tri state situation was pretty substantial this year

Wasn't Tri-Stste bought out by Mad Dog Lacrosse? I heard there were some internal issues with the owners which led them to sell it to Mad Dog - can anyone verify that?

Would be a smart move for both clubs, but I don't think that there is any truth to that rumor.

Mad Dog NJ only has National Teams at the High School level. Unless Tri-State needs the cash no reason to talk to Mad Dog. They get most of their top High School players as is.

Heard Mad Dog numbers are so low they have 2027s playing on their 2025 B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by NJ_Laxer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going on with TriState? Blue Start picked up a number of their players. It only took MV 3 years!

TriState was bad

Unfortunate considering how good the shore 2023 team was a few years back, definitely a lost opportunity with that group, and now Leading Edge and Blue Star benefit. While there is always a bit of re-shuffling before high school, the tri state situation was pretty substantial this year

Wasn't Tri-Stste bought out by Mad Dog Lacrosse? I heard there were some internal issues with the owners which led them to sell it to Mad Dog - can anyone verify that?

Would be a smart move for both clubs, but I don't think that there is any truth to that rumor.

Mad Dog NJ only has National Teams at the High School level. Unless Tri-State needs the cash no reason to talk to Mad Dog. They get most of their top High School players as is.

Heard Mad Dog numbers are so low they have 2027s playing on their 2025 B team.

I think that both programs have their issues, but with the national team and the west coast program it seems as though Mad Dog has a better organization, they just need to jump start the NJ program and Tri State would be a good match to fill that need. Not suggesting that it is a possibility, just that it would make sense. While Tri State has some very good high school players, I am not sure that they are still the draw that they used to be for high school, LE, BBL and Blue Star seem to be more attractive right now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think that both programs have their issues, but with the national team and the west coast program it seems as though Mad Dog has a better organization, they just need to jump start the NJ program and Tri State would be a good match to fill that need. Not suggesting that it is a possibility, just that it would make sense. While Tri State has some very good high school players, I am not sure that they are still the draw that they used to be for high school, LE, BBL and Blue Star seem to be more attractive right now.

Whatever it may be, we need NJ lacrosse to flourish and constantly improve and be among the top in the nation. I see Tribal 2025 ranked high (#7) in usclub. Congrats to them. I hope they will go and qualify for the WSYL and represent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think that both programs have their issues, but with the national team and the west coast program it seems as though Mad Dog has a better organization, they just need to jump start the NJ program and Tri State would be a good match to fill that need. Not suggesting that it is a possibility, just that it would make sense. While Tri State has some very good high school players, I am not sure that they are still the draw that they used to be for high school, LE, BBL and Blue Star seem to be more attractive right now.

Whatever it may be, we need NJ lacrosse to flourish and constantly improve and be among the top in the nation. I see Tribal 2025 ranked high (#7) in usclub. Congrats to them. I hope they will go and qualify for the WSYL and represent.

NJ does flourish at the high school level, LE, BBL, Blue Star, and Tri-State are constantly sending player to D1 programs.
WSYL shouldn't be a measure of success. NJ has too many programs with not enough good coaches and players at the youth level. Hard to compete with LI at 12 years old they build their teams to win now. The current 2025 Jersey teams will be lucky to win 2 games in Denver unless Tribal & Mad Dog become the Tribal Dogs and send one team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think that both programs have their issues, but with the national team and the west coast program it seems as though Mad Dog has a better organization, they just need to jump start the NJ program and Tri State would be a good match to fill that need. Not suggesting that it is a possibility, just that it would make sense. While Tri State has some very good high school players, I am not sure that they are still the draw that they used to be for high school, LE, BBL and Blue Star seem to be more attractive right now.

Whatever it may be, we need NJ lacrosse to flourish and constantly improve and be among the top in the nation. I see Tribal 2025 ranked high (#7) in usclub. Congrats to them. I hope they will go and qualify for the WSYL and represent.

NJ does flourish at the high school level, LE, BBL, Blue Star, and Tri-State are constantly sending player to D1 programs.
WSYL shouldn't be a measure of success. NJ has too many programs with not enough good coaches and players at the youth level. Hard to compete with LI at 12 years old they build their teams to win now. The current 2025 Jersey teams will be lucky to win 2 games in Denver unless Tribal & Mad Dog become the Tribal Dogs and send one team.

Good points. NJ should also organize and help each other elevate our youth program. Perhaps, create a league similar to HoCo in DMV.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think that both programs have their issues, but with the national team and the west coast program it seems as though Mad Dog has a better organization, they just need to jump start the NJ program and Tri State would be a good match to fill that need. Not suggesting that it is a possibility, just that it would make sense. While Tri State has some very good high school players, I am not sure that they are still the draw that they used to be for high school, LE, BBL and Blue Star seem to be more attractive right now.

Whatever it may be, we need NJ lacrosse to flourish and constantly improve and be among the top in the nation. I see Tribal 2025 ranked high (#7) in usclub. Congrats to them. I hope they will go and qualify for the WSYL and represent.

NJ does flourish at the high school level, LE, BBL, Blue Star, and Tri-State are constantly sending player to D1 programs.
WSYL shouldn't be a measure of success. NJ has too many programs with not enough good coaches and players at the youth level. Hard to compete with LI at 12 years old they build their teams to win now. The current 2025 Jersey teams will be lucky to win 2 games in Denver unless Tribal & Mad Dog become the Tribal Dogs and send one team.

Good points. NJ should also organize and help each other elevate our youth program. Perhaps, create a league similar to HoCo in DMV.

Don't waste your money on the WSYL. The only good thing about the tournament is that it is age based. Everyone knows that Long Island Express is going to take the cake this year. Save the money and put it in your kid's college fund.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think that both programs have their issues, but with the national team and the west coast program it seems as though Mad Dog has a better organization, they just need to jump start the NJ program and Tri State would be a good match to fill that need. Not suggesting that it is a possibility, just that it would make sense. While Tri State has some very good high school players, I am not sure that they are still the draw that they used to be for high school, LE, BBL and Blue Star seem to be more attractive right now.

Whatever it may be, we need NJ lacrosse to flourish and constantly improve and be among the top in the nation. I see Tribal 2025 ranked high (#7) in usclub. Congrats to them. I hope they will go and qualify for the WSYL and represent.

NJ does flourish at the high school level, LE, BBL, Blue Star, and Tri-State are constantly sending player to D1 programs.
WSYL shouldn't be a measure of success. NJ has too many programs with not enough good coaches and players at the youth level. Hard to compete with LI at 12 years old they build their teams to win now. The current 2025 Jersey teams will be lucky to win 2 games in Denver unless Tribal & Mad Dog become the Tribal Dogs and send one team.

Good points. NJ should also organize and help each other elevate our youth program. Perhaps, create a league similar to HoCo in DMV.

Don't waste your money on the WSYL. The only good thing about the tournament is that it is age based. Everyone knows that Long Island Express is going to take the cake this year. Save the money and put it in your kid's college fund.

To each his own. We don't tell you how to spend your money. With your logic, why would LIE bother going to WSYL if it the outcome is a certainty, what then, for a trophy? that makes them just as foolish.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think that both programs have their issues, but with the national team and the west coast program it seems as though Mad Dog has a better organization, they just need to jump start the NJ program and Tri State would be a good match to fill that need. Not suggesting that it is a possibility, just that it would make sense. While Tri State has some very good high school players, I am not sure that they are still the draw that they used to be for high school, LE, BBL and Blue Star seem to be more attractive right now.

Whatever it may be, we need NJ lacrosse to flourish and constantly improve and be among the top in the nation. I see Tribal 2025 ranked high (#7) in usclub. Congrats to them. I hope they will go and qualify for the WSYL and represent.

NJ does flourish at the high school level, LE, BBL, Blue Star, and Tri-State are constantly sending player to D1 programs.
WSYL shouldn't be a measure of success. NJ has too many programs with not enough good coaches and players at the youth level. Hard to compete with LI at 12 years old they build their teams to win now. The current 2025 Jersey teams will be lucky to win 2 games in Denver unless Tribal & Mad Dog become the Tribal Dogs and send one team.

Good points. NJ should also organize and help each other elevate our youth program. Perhaps, create a league similar to HoCo in DMV.

Don't waste your money on the WSYL. The only good thing about the tournament is that it is age based. Everyone knows that Long Island Express is going to take the cake this year. Save the money and put it in your kid's college fund.

To each his own. We don't tell you how to spend your money. With your logic, why would LIE bother going to WSYL if it the outcome is a certainty, what then, for a trophy? that makes them just as foolish.

Exactly, this whole WSYL debate is a never ending exercise in boredom... make you own decisions, don't worry about what everybody else is doing

Today the semi final game that BBL wanted at the WSYL happened. BBL 2024 Black played TAZ and lost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Today the semi final game that BBL wanted at the WSYL happened. BBL 2024 Black played TAZ and lost.

Now beat 91 and don't come back here until you do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Today the semi final game that BBL wanted at the WSYL happened. BBL 2024 Black played TAZ and lost.

Now beat 91 and don't come back here until you do.

I'm impressed. No excuses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Today the semi final game that BBL wanted at the WSYL happened. BBL 2024 Black played TAZ and lost.

Now beat 91 and don't come back here until you do.

I'm impressed. No excuses.

You will get the "it's fall ball, we are missing players" excuse eventually

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Today the semi final game that BBL wanted at the WSYL happened. BBL 2024 Black played TAZ and lost.

Now beat 91 and don't come back here until you do.

I'm impressed. No excuses.

You will get the "it's fall ball, we are missing players" excuse eventually

Wrong. This is not LI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Today the semi final game that BBL wanted at the WSYL happened. BBL 2024 Black played TAZ and lost.

Now beat 91 and don't come back here until you do.

I'm impressed. No excuses.

You will get the "it's fall ball, we are missing players" excuse eventually

Are you looking for a pat in the back or something? WSYL is in the past. Move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Today the semi final game that BBL wanted at the WSYL happened. BBL 2024 Black played TAZ and lost.

Now beat 91 and don't come back here until you do.

I'm impressed. No excuses.

You will get the "it's fall ball, we are missing players" excuse eventually

Are you looking for a pat in the back or something? WSYL is in the past. Move on.

Congrats to the new Igloo players on Taz for a job well done. You make all the difference. Don't let Taz' antics (as evident in their posts here) change you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Today the semi final game that BBL wanted at the WSYL happened. BBL 2024 Black played TAZ and lost.

Now beat 91 and don't come back here until you do.

I'm impressed. No excuses.

You will get the "it's fall ball, we are missing players" excuse eventually

Are you looking for a pat in the back or something? WSYL is in the past. Move on.

Congrats to the new Igloo players on Taz for a job well done. You make all the difference. Don't let Taz' antics (as evident in their posts here) change you.

Don't Fall for the antics.. Always someone stirring the pot on here. Was a great game. Looking forward to the Competition in the Future. TAZ DAD

Any truth to Blue Star putting together a WSYL team looking to pull in kids from PA & NJ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any truth to Blue Star putting together a WSYL team looking to pull in kids from PA & NJ?

Yes, they have already advertised it

Honest question here...can anybody tell me why people get so excited for WSYL?

Am I wrong to say its just another tournament, albeit you have to qualify for it and travel very very far for it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question here...can anybody tell me why people get so excited for WSYL?

Am I wrong to say its just another tournament, albeit you have to qualify for it and travel very very far for it?

Basically, but it is a nice change from the typical regional tournaments, and it is a fun experience (but not a cheap one). If you can turn it into a family summer vacation after the tournament, it is a great jumping off point for some excellent vacation spots.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question here...can anybody tell me why people get so excited for WSYL?

Am I wrong to say its just another tournament, albeit you have to qualify for it and travel very very far for it?

I think people see it on TV and think it's a big deal. It can be fun, I'm sure, but not worth the money and I'd rather have my 4th of July week off. It's not really a competitive tournament. Top 3-4 teams are strong, the rest not so much. To each their own however.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question here...can anybody tell me why people get so excited for WSYL?

Am I wrong to say its just another tournament, albeit you have to qualify for it and travel very very far for it?

I think people see it on TV and think it's a big deal. It can be fun, I'm sure, but not worth the money and I'd rather have my 4th of July week off. It's not really a competitive tournament. Top 3-4 teams are strong, the rest not so much. To each their own however.

Our team went this summer. You're thinking is spot on. It just happened that it was a fun experience for the boys and families. We can only speak for ourselves.

I agree went also, was a great experience. My son loved made it a vacation

Whee does Patriot fall in the mix for these clubs?

They are up there - definitely in the Top 5 IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are up there - definitely in the Top 5 IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whee does Patriot fall in the mix for these clubs?

Leading Edge and BBL are in the top tier.

Patriot can have some good teams but they are not as consistent as the two above. I'd put them in the second band along with Riot, TriState, SouthShore, BlueStar, etc. These clubs are still strong and some grad years are at the top, just not always.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are up there - definitely in the Top 5 IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whee does Patriot fall in the mix for these clubs?

Leading Edge and BBL are in the top tier.

Patriot can have some good teams but they are not as consistent as the two above. I'd put them in the second band along with Riot, TriState, SouthShore, BlueStar, etc. These clubs are still strong and some grad years are at the top, just not always.

I disagree about Leading Edge with respect to consistency They have terrific high school teams, thanks to reclasses, however, their youth teams have never been competitive. They do not develop talent, they acquire it from the other NJ programs in 9th grade. I am not a BBL parent, but in NJ, they probably have the strongest program top to bottom.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are up there - definitely in the Top 5 IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whee does Patriot fall in the mix for these clubs?

Leading Edge and BBL are in the top tier.

Patriot can have some good teams but they are not as consistent as the two above. I'd put them in the second band along with Riot, TriState, SouthShore, BlueStar, etc. These clubs are still strong and some grad years are at the top, just not always.

I disagree about Leading Edge with respect to consistency They have terrific high school teams, thanks to reclasses, however, their youth teams have never been competitive. They do not develop talent, they acquire it from the other NJ programs in 9th grade. I am not a BBL parent, but in NJ, they probably have the strongest program top to bottom.

BBL is heavily packed with hold-backs and re-classed kids as well on both the boys and girls teams. This is no secret.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are up there - definitely in the Top 5 IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whee does Patriot fall in the mix for these clubs?

Leading Edge and BBL are in the top tier.

Patriot can have some good teams but they are not as consistent as the two above. I'd put them in the second band along with Riot, TriState, SouthShore, BlueStar, etc. These clubs are still strong and some grad years are at the top, just not always.

I disagree about Leading Edge with respect to consistency They have terrific high school teams, thanks to reclasses, however, their youth teams have never been competitive. They do not develop talent, they acquire it from the other NJ programs in 9th grade. I am not a BBL parent, but in NJ, they probably have the strongest program top to bottom.

BBL is heavily packed with hold-backs and re-classed kids as well on both the boys and girls teams. This is no secret.

I have no direct knowledge of that (but I don't doubt it), but if you are talking about top to bottom consistency, they are probably the better club. LE merely assembles a team in high school, BBL seems to have a greater number of kids that come up through their program.

no peer to bbl

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are up there - definitely in the Top 5 IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whee does Patriot fall in the mix for these clubs?

Leading Edge and BBL are in the top tier.

Patriot can have some good teams but they are not as consistent as the two above. I'd put them in the second band along with Riot, TriState, SouthShore, BlueStar, etc. These clubs are still strong and some grad years are at the top, just not always.

I disagree about Leading Edge with respect to consistency They have terrific high school teams, thanks to reclasses, however, their youth teams have never been competitive. They do not develop talent, they acquire it from the other NJ programs in 9th grade. I am not a BBL parent, but in NJ, they probably have the strongest program top to bottom.

BBL is heavily packed with hold-backs and re-classed kids as well on both the boys and girls teams. This is no secret.

This is complete BS. All you have to do is look at their WSYL lineup where they ended up being ranked #2 this year by Inside Lacrosse. That is an age based tournament. Detractors come with success.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are up there - definitely in the Top 5 IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whee does Patriot fall in the mix for these clubs?

Leading Edge and BBL are in the top tier.

Patriot can have some good teams but they are not as consistent as the two above. I'd put them in the second band along with Riot, TriState, SouthShore, BlueStar, etc. These clubs are still strong and some grad years are at the top, just not always.

I disagree about Leading Edge with respect to consistency They have terrific high school teams, thanks to reclasses, however, their youth teams have never been competitive. They do not develop talent, they acquire it from the other NJ programs in 9th grade. I am not a BBL parent, but in NJ, they probably have the strongest program top to bottom.

The reason Leading Edge is able to attract top HS players is bec it is one of the founding members for NLF. They have veto power to prevent other Jersey clubs from joining or even participating in NLF events (they act as a monopoly). Their youth teams routinely get smoked in NLF tournaments even in B brackets. But their HS teams do well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are up there - definitely in the Top 5 IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whee does Patriot fall in the mix for these clubs?

Leading Edge and BBL are in the top tier.

Patriot can have some good teams but they are not as consistent as the two above. I'd put them in the second band along with Riot, TriState, SouthShore, BlueStar, etc. These clubs are still strong and some grad years are at the top, just not always.

I disagree about Leading Edge with respect to consistency They have terrific high school teams, thanks to reclasses, however, their youth teams have never been competitive. They do not develop talent, they acquire it from the other NJ programs in 9th grade. I am not a BBL parent, but in NJ, they probably have the strongest program top to bottom.

Yes, I agree. I was only referring to HS level play. Youth is for development and really shouldn't be ranked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are up there - definitely in the Top 5 IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whee does Patriot fall in the mix for these clubs?

Leading Edge and BBL are in the top tier.

Patriot can have some good teams but they are not as consistent as the two above. I'd put them in the second band along with Riot, TriState, SouthShore, BlueStar, etc. These clubs are still strong and some grad years are at the top, just not always.

I disagree about Leading Edge with respect to consistency They have terrific high school teams, thanks to reclasses, however, their youth teams have never been competitive. They do not develop talent, they acquire it from the other NJ programs in 9th grade. I am not a BBL parent, but in NJ, they probably have the strongest program top to bottom.

BBL is heavily packed with hold-backs and re-classed kids as well on both the boys and girls teams. This is no secret.

This is complete BS. All you have to do is look at their WSYL lineup where they ended up being ranked #2 this year by Inside Lacrosse. That is an age based tournament. Detractors come with success.

Does anyone care about the ranking of a youth team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are up there - definitely in the Top 5 IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whee does Patriot fall in the mix for these clubs?

Leading Edge and BBL are in the top tier.

Patriot can have some good teams but they are not as consistent as the two above. I'd put them in the second band along with Riot, TriState, SouthShore, BlueStar, etc. These clubs are still strong and some grad years are at the top, just not always.

I disagree about Leading Edge with respect to consistency They have terrific high school teams, thanks to reclasses, however, their youth teams have never been competitive. They do not develop talent, they acquire it from the other NJ programs in 9th grade. I am not a BBL parent, but in NJ, they probably have the strongest program top to bottom.

BBL is heavily packed with hold-backs and re-classed kids as well on both the boys and girls teams. This is no secret.

This is complete BS. All you have to do is look at their WSYL lineup where they ended up being ranked #2 this year by Inside Lacrosse. That is an age based tournament. Detractors come with success.

Does anyone care about the ranking of a youth team?

Yes. you do. BadPerson.

bbl is the only jersey team ranked at uc clublax dotcom in youth, there is no debate they are best of jersey

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are up there - definitely in the Top 5 IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whee does Patriot fall in the mix for these clubs?

Leading Edge and BBL are in the top tier.

Patriot can have some good teams but they are not as consistent as the two above. I'd put them in the second band along with Riot, TriState, SouthShore, BlueStar, etc. These clubs are still strong and some grad years are at the top, just not always.

I disagree about Leading Edge with respect to consistency They have terrific high school teams, thanks to reclasses, however, their youth teams have never been competitive. They do not develop talent, they acquire it from the other NJ programs in 9th grade. I am not a BBL parent, but in NJ, they probably have the strongest program top to bottom.

BBL is heavily packed with hold-backs and re-classed kids as well on both the boys and girls teams. This is no secret.

I have no direct knowledge of that (but I don't doubt it), but if you are talking about top to bottom consistency, they are probably the better club. LE merely assembles a team in high school, BBL seems to have a greater number of kids that come up through their program.

Agreed. I would say that there are a lot of other options if your son is a stud. I am not going to name any teams and I wouldn't pay attention to US Club Lax which is heavily flawed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are up there - definitely in the Top 5 IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whee does Patriot fall in the mix for these clubs?

Leading Edge and BBL are in the top tier.

Patriot can have some good teams but they are not as consistent as the two above. I'd put them in the second band along with Riot, TriState, SouthShore, BlueStar, etc. These clubs are still strong and some grad years are at the top, just not always.

I disagree about Leading Edge with respect to consistency They have terrific high school teams, thanks to reclasses, however, their youth teams have never been competitive. They do not develop talent, they acquire it from the other NJ programs in 9th grade. I am not a BBL parent, but in NJ, they probably have the strongest program top to bottom.

BBL is heavily packed with hold-backs and re-classed kids as well on both the boys and girls teams. This is no secret.

This is complete BS. All you have to do is look at their WSYL lineup where they ended up being ranked #2 this year by Inside Lacrosse. That is an age based tournament. Detractors come with success.

That rank was bogus. Taz made that clear beating them this Fall with an on age team. Can't say that much for BBL. They also lost to Madlax and another team this fall. BBL 2024 Black Parent. It would be awesome if you could provide all the tournaments that you have played this fall - and no excuses please. Just want to get the correct info out to the world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are up there - definitely in the Top 5 IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whee does Patriot fall in the mix for these clubs?

Leading Edge and BBL are in the top tier.

Patriot can have some good teams but they are not as consistent as the two above. I'd put them in the second band along with Riot, TriState, SouthShore, BlueStar, etc. These clubs are still strong and some grad years are at the top, just not always.

I disagree about Leading Edge with respect to consistency They have terrific high school teams, thanks to reclasses, however, their youth teams have never been competitive. They do not develop talent, they acquire it from the other NJ programs in 9th grade. I am not a BBL parent, but in NJ, they probably have the strongest program top to bottom.

BBL is heavily packed with hold-backs and re-classed kids as well on both the boys and girls teams. This is no secret.

I have no direct knowledge of that (but I don't doubt it), but if you are talking about top to bottom consistency, they are probably the better club. LE merely assembles a team in high school, BBL seems to have a greater number of kids that come up through their program.

Agreed. I would say that there are a lot of other options if your son is a stud. I am not going to name any teams and I wouldn't pay attention to US Club Lax which is heavily flawed.

From what I have heard, the entity that operates US Club Lax is somehow affiliated with Dynamic Sport Management (Team 91, Leading Edge and a few others). In some cases the rankings are pretty spot on (usually top 2 or 3), but there are many instances where the rankings seem pretty biased, although some of that can be attributed to the fact that they consider strength of schedule. But I definitely agree, I wouldn't rely on those rankings for purposes of placing my kid in any particular program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are up there - definitely in the Top 5 IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whee does Patriot fall in the mix for these clubs?

Leading Edge and BBL are in the top tier.

Patriot can have some good teams but they are not as consistent as the two above. I'd put them in the second band along with Riot, TriState, SouthShore, BlueStar, etc. These clubs are still strong and some grad years are at the top, just not always.

I disagree about Leading Edge with respect to consistency They have terrific high school teams, thanks to reclasses, however, their youth teams have never been competitive. They do not develop talent, they acquire it from the other NJ programs in 9th grade. I am not a BBL parent, but in NJ, they probably have the strongest program top to bottom.

BBL is heavily packed with hold-backs and re-classed kids as well on both the boys and girls teams. This is no secret.

This is complete BS. All you have to do is look at their WSYL lineup where they ended up being ranked #2 this year by Inside Lacrosse. That is an age based tournament. Detractors come with success.

That rank was bogus. Taz made that clear beating them this Fall with an on age team. Can't say that much for BBL. They also lost to Madlax and another team this fall. BBL 2024 Black Parent. It would be awesome if you could provide all the tournaments that you have played this fall - and no excuses please. Just want to get the correct info out to the world.

You're barking up the wrong tree and I feel sorry for you that you can't let go of the past. Contact Inside Lacrosse and petition them to revise history to finally put you out of your misery. Inside lacrosse is what the lacrosse world see. Your posts here won't change any of that.

From what I have heard, the entity that operates US Club Lax is somehow affiliated with Dynamic Sport Management (Team 91, Leading Edge and a few others). In some cases the rankings are pretty spot on (usually top 2 or 3), but there are many instances where the rankings seem pretty biased, although some of that can be attributed to the fact that they consider strength of schedule. But I definitely agree, I wouldn't rely on those rankings for purposes of placing my kid in any particular program. [/quote]

incorrect, independent group, sorry

Leading Edge and BBL are in the top tier.

Patriot can have some good teams but they are not as consistent as the two above. I'd put them in the second band along with Riot, TriState, SouthShore, BlueStar, etc. These clubs are still strong and some grad years are at the top, just not always.[/quote]

I disagree about Leading Edge with respect to consistency They have terrific high school teams, thanks to reclasses, however, their youth teams have never been competitive. They do not develop talent, they acquire it from the other NJ programs in 9th grade. I am not a BBL parent, but in NJ, they probably have the strongest program top to bottom. [/quote]
BBL is heavily packed with hold-backs and re-classed kids as well on both the boys and girls teams. This is no secret.[/quote]

This is complete BS. All you have to do is look at their WSYL lineup where they ended up being ranked #2 this year by Inside Lacrosse. That is an age based tournament. Detractors come with success.
[/quote]
That rank was bogus. Taz made that clear beating them this Fall with an on age team. Can't say that much for BBL. They also lost to Madlax and another team this fall. BBL 2024 Black Parent. It would be awesome if you could provide all the tournaments that you have played this fall - and no excuses please. Just want to get the correct info out to the world. [/quote]

You're barking up the wrong tree and I feel sorry for you that you can't let go of the past. Contact Inside Lacrosse and petition them to revise history to finally put you out of your misery. Inside lacrosse is what the lacrosse world see. Your posts here won't change any of that.
[/quote]

Is this a BBL parent who actually thinks being ranked by Inside Lacrosse in 7th or 8th grade matters? BBL is known for peaking in middle school. I would be shocked if they are at the top come 10th & 11th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what I have heard, the entity that operates US Club Lax is somehow affiliated with Dynamic Sport Management (Team 91, Leading Edge and a few others). In some cases the rankings are pretty spot on (usually top 2 or 3), but there are many instances where the rankings seem pretty biased, although some of that can be attributed to the fact that they consider strength of schedule. But I definitely agree, I wouldn't rely on those rankings for purposes of placing my kid in any particular program.

incorrect, independent group, sorry [/quote]

Just curious, how do you know that it is an independent group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what I have heard, the entity that operates US Club Lax is somehow affiliated with Dynamic Sport Management (Team 91, Leading Edge and a few others). In some cases the rankings are pretty spot on (usually top 2 or 3), but there are many instances where the rankings seem pretty biased, although some of that can be attributed to the fact that they consider strength of schedule. But I definitely agree, I wouldn't rely on those rankings for purposes of placing my kid in any particular program.

incorrect, independent group, sorry [/quote]

There have been discussions on this forum that there is a connection to the 91 program in NJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this a BBL parent who actually thinks being ranked by Inside Lacrosse in 7th or 8th grade matters? BBL is known for peaking in middle school. I would be shocked if they are at the top come 10th & 11th grade.

BBL is in your head. You can't get it out. Let's keep it that way. Keep thinking about BBL. This is awesome! Here's the ranking again so it's burned in your head. I can't wait for this to contribute to your mental illness.

Nissan WSYL/IL 13U World Rankings
1. Team 91 Wolfpack (N.Y.)
2. BBL Elite (N.J.)

While I would agree that the rankings are missing a few and over rating a few clubs it is a nice idea. I do see clubs ranked lower when they have wins over teams with rankings much higher. Also they are partnering with clubs like Madlax for the National event in FL. Nothing wrong with getting some $$ but it could influence a ranking or two here or there. I hope they keep the rankings going as it is a lot of work for little in return. I thank them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this a BBL parent who actually thinks being ranked by Inside Lacrosse in 7th or 8th grade matters? BBL is known for peaking in middle school. I would be shocked if they are at the top come 10th & 11th grade.

BBL is in your head. You can't get it out. Let's keep it that way. Keep thinking about BBL. This is awesome! Here's the ranking again so it's burned in your head. I can't wait for this to contribute to your mental illness.

Nissan WSYL/IL 13U World Rankings
1. Team 91 Wolfpack (N.Y.)
2. BBL Elite (N.J.)

Ancient history. Current 2024 rankings wouldn't even put you in the top 5. Even with holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this a BBL parent who actually thinks being ranked by Inside Lacrosse in 7th or 8th grade matters? BBL is known for peaking in middle school. I would be shocked if they are at the top come 10th & 11th grade.

BBL is in your head. You can't get it out. Let's keep it that way. Keep thinking about BBL. This is awesome! Here's the ranking again so it's burned in your head. I can't wait for this to contribute to your mental illness.

Nissan WSYL/IL 13U World Rankings
1. Team 91 Wolfpack (N.Y.)
2. BBL Elite (N.J.)

Ancient history. Current 2024 rankings wouldn't even put you in the top 5. Even with holdbacks.

Here’s before you go to bed. Make sure you dream about BBL.

us club lax rankings Fall 2019 (yeah current history)
1 Madlax
2 91 Wolfpack
3 Looneys
4 BBL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While I would agree that the rankings are missing a few and over rating a few clubs it is a nice idea. I do see clubs ranked lower when they have wins over teams with rankings much higher. Also they are partnering with clubs like Madlax for the National event in FL. Nothing wrong with getting some $$ but it could influence a ranking or two here or there. I hope they keep the rankings going as it is a lot of work for little in return. I thank them.

In the land of the blind the 1 eye man is king Thank goodness for us club lax dot come

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this a BBL parent who actually thinks being ranked by Inside Lacrosse in 7th or 8th grade matters? BBL is known for peaking in middle school. I would be shocked if they are at the top come 10th & 11th grade.

BBL is in your head. You can't get it out. Let's keep it that way. Keep thinking about BBL. This is awesome! Here's the ranking again so it's burned in your head. I can't wait for this to contribute to your mental illness.

Nissan WSYL/IL 13U World Rankings
1. Team 91 Wolfpack (N.Y.)
2. BBL Elite (N.J.)

Please tell me this is not an adult.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this a BBL parent who actually thinks being ranked by Inside Lacrosse in 7th or 8th grade matters? BBL is known for peaking in middle school. I would be shocked if they are at the top come 10th & 11th grade.

BBL is in your head. You can't get it out. Let's keep it that way. Keep thinking about BBL. This is awesome! Here's the ranking again so it's burned in your head. I can't wait for this to contribute to your mental illness.

Nissan WSYL/IL 13U World Rankings
1. Team 91 Wolfpack (N.Y.)
2. BBL Elite (N.J.)

Please tell me this is not an adult.

I met up with a buddy from LI last night. He told me the poster trolling here is one of the oldest players from Legacy. I should have known by the way he crafted his sentences. I honestly didn't know I was mixing it up with a teenager. My bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this a BBL parent who actually thinks being ranked by Inside Lacrosse in 7th or 8th grade matters? BBL is known for peaking in middle school. I would be shocked if they are at the top come 10th & 11th grade.

BBL is in your head. You can't get it out. Let's keep it that way. Keep thinking about BBL. This is awesome! Here's the ranking again so it's burned in your head. I can't wait for this to contribute to your mental illness.

Nissan WSYL/IL 13U World Rankings
1. Team 91 Wolfpack (N.Y.)
2. BBL Elite (N.J.)

Please tell me this is not an adult.

I met up with a buddy from LI last night. He told me the poster trolling here is one of the oldest players from Legacy. I should have known by the way he crafted his sentences. I honestly didn't know I was mixing it up with a teenager. My bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this a BBL parent who actually thinks being ranked by Inside Lacrosse in 7th or 8th grade matters? BBL is known for peaking in middle school. I would be shocked if they are at the top come 10th & 11th grade.

BBL is in your head. You can't get it out. Let's keep it that way. Keep thinking about BBL. This is awesome! Here's the ranking again so it's burned in your head. I can't wait for this to contribute to your mental illness.

Nissan WSYL/IL 13U World Rankings
1. Team 91 Wolfpack (N.Y.)
2. BBL Elite (N.J.)

Please tell me this is not an adult.

I met up with a buddy from LI last night. He told me the poster trolling here is one of the oldest players from Legacy. I should have known by the way he crafted his sentences. I honestly didn't know I was mixing it up with a teenager. My bad.

I seriously doubt that any Taz player would waste his time on the New Jersey board. They have already proven that they can beat BBL 2024 Black many times including this fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this a BBL parent who actually thinks being ranked by Inside Lacrosse in 7th or 8th grade matters? BBL is known for peaking in middle school. I would be shocked if they are at the top come 10th & 11th grade.

BBL is in your head. You can't get it out. Let's keep it that way. Keep thinking about BBL. This is awesome! Here's the ranking again so it's burned in your head. I can't wait for this to contribute to your mental illness.

Nissan WSYL/IL 13U World Rankings
1. Team 91 Wolfpack (N.Y.)
2. BBL Elite (N.J.)

Please tell me this is not an adult.

I met up with a buddy from LI last night. He told me the poster trolling here is one of the oldest players from Legacy. I should have known by the way he crafted his sentences. I honestly didn't know I was mixing it up with a teenager. My bad.

BBL Fans on this page love to talk about rankings. So here it is. The newest USCL ranking for BBL 2024 Black is #16.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this a BBL parent who actually thinks being ranked by Inside Lacrosse in 7th or 8th grade matters? BBL is known for peaking in middle school. I would be shocked if they are at the top come 10th & 11th grade.

BBL is in your head. You can't get it out. Let's keep it that way. Keep thinking about BBL. This is awesome! Here's the ranking again so it's burned in your head. I can't wait for this to contribute to your mental illness.

Nissan WSYL/IL 13U World Rankings
1. Team 91 Wolfpack (N.Y.)
2. BBL Elite (N.J.)

Please tell me this is not an adult.

I met up with a buddy from LI last night. He told me the poster trolling here is one of the oldest players from Legacy. I should have known by the way he crafted his sentences. I honestly didn't know I was mixing it up with a teenager. My bad.

BBL Fans on this page love to talk about rankings. So here it is. The newest USCL ranking for BBL 2024 Black is #16.

The guy that runs USCL is a NJ guy trying to drive people away from BBL and other NJ clubs. Same reason Mad Dog '25 team is 19 after beating 9th and 6th ranked teams. Do your research!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this a BBL parent who actually thinks being ranked by Inside Lacrosse in 7th or 8th grade matters? BBL is known for peaking in middle school. I would be shocked if they are at the top come 10th & 11th grade.

BBL is in your head. You can't get it out. Let's keep it that way. Keep thinking about BBL. This is awesome! Here's the ranking again so it's burned in your head. I can't wait for this to contribute to your mental illness.

Nissan WSYL/IL 13U World Rankings
1. Team 91 Wolfpack (N.Y.)
2. BBL Elite (N.J.)

Please tell me this is not an adult.

I met up with a buddy from LI last night. He told me the poster trolling here is one of the oldest players from Legacy. I should have known by the way he crafted his sentences. I honestly didn't know I was mixing it up with a teenager. My bad.

BBL Fans on this page love to talk about rankings. So here it is. The newest USCL ranking for BBL 2024 Black is #16.

The guy that runs USCL is a NJ guy trying to drive people away from BBL and other NJ clubs. Same reason Mad Dog '25 team is 19 after beating 9th and 6th ranked teams. Do your research!

You are missing the point of my post. The BBL people love to gloat when they are ranked high in these polls but claim that they are rigged when that ranking goes down. Total hypocrites. As far as I am concerned these poles are completely bogus. This is a sorry trend of capitalizing on youth lacrosse. The next company to look out for is Lacrosse Magazine. Not to be confused with US Lacrosse Magazine. Bottom line, please don't give these companies any credibility by posting their rankings online.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy that runs USCL is a NJ guy trying to drive people away from BBL and other NJ clubs. Same reason Mad Dog '25 team is 19 after beating 9th and 6th ranked teams. Do your research!

You are missing the point of my post. The BBL people love to gloat when they are ranked high in these polls but claim that they are rigged when that ranking goes down. Total hypocrites. As far as I am concerned these poles are completely bogus. This is a sorry trend of capitalizing on youth lacrosse. The next company to look out for is Lacrosse Magazine. Not to be confused with US Lacrosse Magazine. Bottom line, please don't give these companies any credibility by posting their rankings online.

And yet you post here about the rankings because your team moved up. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Notice how Legacy is now pounding their chests after their World Series humiliation on TV now that they picked up a whole bunch of holdbacks and finally won a couple of fall games. The fact is last year before Legacy went whole hog with holdbacks would have been crushed by BBL in Denver. But they demanded that the brackets be changed last minute. BBL tried to play Legacy in the last tournament of the season with the WS teams but they couldn't even make it to the championship game losing to Laxachusetts and complaining to the tournament directors afterwards about biased officiating.

In Long Island, Legacy is a third rate club that's always outside looking in. So they have to go to other regions to spew their garbage. Legacy is cancer to the sport. Legacy's holdbacks will seek greener pastures and Legacy will be back to the bottom.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy that runs USCL is a NJ guy trying to drive people away from BBL and other NJ clubs. Same reason Mad Dog '25 team is 19 after beating 9th and 6th ranked teams. Do your research!

You are missing the point of my post. The BBL people love to gloat when they are ranked high in these polls but claim that they are rigged when that ranking goes down. Total hypocrites. As far as I am concerned these poles are completely bogus. This is a sorry trend of capitalizing on youth lacrosse. The next company to look out for is Lacrosse Magazine. Not to be confused with US Lacrosse Magazine. Bottom line, please don't give these companies any credibility by posting their rankings online.

And yet you post here about the rankings because your team moved up. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Notice how Legacy is now pounding their chests after their World Series humiliation on TV now that they picked up a whole bunch of holdbacks and finally won a couple of fall games. The fact is last year before Legacy went whole hog with holdbacks would have been crushed by BBL in Denver. But they demanded that the brackets be changed last minute. BBL tried to play Legacy in the last tournament of the season with the WS teams but they couldn't even make it to the championship game losing to Laxachusetts and complaining to the tournament directors afterwards about biased officiating.

In Long Island, Legacy is a third rate club that's always outside looking in. So they have to go to other regions to spew their garbage. Legacy is cancer to the sport. Legacy's holdbacks will seek greener pastures and Legacy will be back to the bottom.

That is the funniest thing i ever heard. They have no hold backs. all those kids played in WSYL. check the roster instead of making excuses of why you lost to them. legacy beat you Last fall before WSYL. Its ok to lose , i know it burns deep in your bones. You are embarrassing yourself . You are the ones that come on BOTC saying how you would beat eveyone, that you should have been in the finals. of WSYL. You have not beat one good team. You are making a bad name for your kids. You have a good lacrosse team. No need to put down others, to try and make yourself feel better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy that runs USCL is a NJ guy trying to drive people away from BBL and other NJ clubs. Same reason Mad Dog '25 team is 19 after beating 9th and 6th ranked teams. Do your research!

You are missing the point of my post. The BBL people love to gloat when they are ranked high in these polls but claim that they are rigged when that ranking goes down. Total hypocrites. As far as I am concerned these poles are completely bogus. This is a sorry trend of capitalizing on youth lacrosse. The next company to look out for is Lacrosse Magazine. Not to be confused with US Lacrosse Magazine. Bottom line, please don't give these companies any credibility by posting their rankings online.

And yet you post here about the rankings because your team moved up. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Notice how Legacy is now pounding their chests after their World Series humiliation on TV now that they picked up a whole bunch of holdbacks and finally won a couple of fall games. The fact is last year before Legacy went whole hog with holdbacks would have been crushed by BBL in Denver. But they demanded that the brackets be changed last minute. BBL tried to play Legacy in the last tournament of the season with the WS teams but they couldn't even make it to the championship game losing to Laxachusetts and complaining to the tournament directors afterwards about biased officiating.

In Long Island, Legacy is a third rate club that's always outside looking in. So they have to go to other regions to spew their garbage. Legacy is cancer to the sport. Legacy's holdbacks will seek greener pastures and Legacy will be back to the bottom.

That is the funniest thing i ever heard. They have no hold backs. all those kids played in WSYL. check the roster instead of making excuses of why you lost to them. legacy beat you Last fall before WSYL. Its ok to lose , i know it burns deep in your bones. You are embarrassing yourself . You are the ones that come on BOTC saying how you would beat eveyone, that you should have been in the finals. of WSYL. You have not beat one good team. You are making a bad name for your kids. You have a good lacrosse team. No need to put down others, to try and make yourself feel better.

Anything else interesting going on in NJ lacrosse other than the BBL 2024 team, this is getting boring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy that runs USCL is a NJ guy trying to drive people away from BBL and other NJ clubs. Same reason Mad Dog '25 team is 19 after beating 9th and 6th ranked teams. Do your research!

You are missing the point of my post. The BBL people love to gloat when they are ranked high in these polls but claim that they are rigged when that ranking goes down. Total hypocrites. As far as I am concerned these poles are completely bogus. This is a sorry trend of capitalizing on youth lacrosse. The next company to look out for is Lacrosse Magazine. Not to be confused with US Lacrosse Magazine. Bottom line, please don't give these companies any credibility by posting their rankings online.

And yet you post here about the rankings because your team moved up. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Notice how Legacy is now pounding their chests after their World Series humiliation on TV now that they picked up a whole bunch of holdbacks and finally won a couple of fall games. The fact is last year before Legacy went whole hog with holdbacks would have been crushed by BBL in Denver. But they demanded that the brackets be changed last minute. BBL tried to play Legacy in the last tournament of the season with the WS teams but they couldn't even make it to the championship game losing to Laxachusetts and complaining to the tournament directors afterwards about biased officiating.

In Long Island, Legacy is a third rate club that's always outside looking in. So they have to go to other regions to spew their garbage. Legacy is cancer to the sport. Legacy's holdbacks will seek greener pastures and Legacy will be back to the bottom.

That is the funniest thing i ever heard. They have no hold backs. all those kids played in WSYL. check the roster instead of making excuses of why you lost to them. legacy beat you Last fall before WSYL. Its ok to lose , i know it burns deep in your bones. You are embarrassing yourself . You are the ones that come on BOTC saying how you would beat eveyone, that you should have been in the finals. of WSYL. You have not beat one good team. You are making a bad name for your kids. You have a good lacrosse team. No need to put down others, to try and make yourself feel better.

It's pathetic how a club from LI is trolling an NJ club. I know Legacy wants to be considered a legitimate club in LI. Fact of the matter is you'll never be on the same league as 91, LI Express and Igloo. I repeat.. never. Those clubs will be around long after you fold. You can keep adding more hold backs for the summer. Legacy is the worst.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy that runs USCL is a NJ guy trying to drive people away from BBL and other NJ clubs. Same reason Mad Dog '25 team is 19 after beating 9th and 6th ranked teams. Do your research!

You are missing the point of my post. The BBL people love to gloat when they are ranked high in these polls but claim that they are rigged when that ranking goes down. Total hypocrites. As far as I am concerned these poles are completely bogus. This is a sorry trend of capitalizing on youth lacrosse. The next company to look out for is Lacrosse Magazine. Not to be confused with US Lacrosse Magazine. Bottom line, please don't give these companies any credibility by posting their rankings online.

And yet you post here about the rankings because your team moved up. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Notice how Legacy is now pounding their chests after their World Series humiliation on TV now that they picked up a whole bunch of holdbacks and finally won a couple of fall games. The fact is last year before Legacy went whole hog with holdbacks would have been crushed by BBL in Denver. But they demanded that the brackets be changed last minute. BBL tried to play Legacy in the last tournament of the season with the WS teams but they couldn't even make it to the championship game losing to Laxachusetts and complaining to the tournament directors afterwards about biased officiating.

In Long Island, Legacy is a third rate club that's always outside looking in. So they have to go to other regions to spew their garbage. Legacy is cancer to the sport. Legacy's holdbacks will seek greener pastures and Legacy will be back to the bottom.

That is the funniest thing i ever heard. They have no hold backs. all those kids played in WSYL. check the roster instead of making excuses of why you lost to them. legacy beat you Last fall before WSYL. Its ok to lose , i know it burns deep in your bones. You are embarrassing yourself . You are the ones that come on BOTC saying how you would beat eveyone, that you should have been in the finals. of WSYL. You have not beat one good team. You are making a bad name for your kids. You have a good lacrosse team. No need to put down others, to try and make yourself feel better.

This is coming from the same Legacy team that bullied their own goalie into leaving. Constantly berated and made fun of his weight issue. He's a good goalie. Classy organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy that runs USCL is a NJ guy trying to drive people away from BBL and other NJ clubs. Same reason Mad Dog '25 team is 19 after beating 9th and 6th ranked teams. Do your research!

You are missing the point of my post. The BBL people love to gloat when they are ranked high in these polls but claim that they are rigged when that ranking goes down. Total hypocrites. As far as I am concerned these poles are completely bogus. This is a sorry trend of capitalizing on youth lacrosse. The next company to look out for is Lacrosse Magazine. Not to be confused with US Lacrosse Magazine. Bottom line, please don't give these companies any credibility by posting their rankings online.

And yet you post here about the rankings because your team moved up. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Notice how Legacy is now pounding their chests after their World Series humiliation on TV now that they picked up a whole bunch of holdbacks and finally won a couple of fall games. The fact is last year before Legacy went whole hog with holdbacks would have been crushed by BBL in Denver. But they demanded that the brackets be changed last minute. BBL tried to play Legacy in the last tournament of the season with the WS teams but they couldn't even make it to the championship game losing to Laxachusetts and complaining to the tournament directors afterwards about biased officiating.

In Long Island, Legacy is a third rate club that's always outside looking in. So they have to go to other regions to spew their garbage. Legacy is cancer to the sport. Legacy's holdbacks will seek greener pastures and Legacy will be back to the bottom.

That is the funniest thing i ever heard. They have no hold backs. all those kids played in WSYL. check the roster instead of making excuses of why you lost to them. legacy beat you Last fall before WSYL. Its ok to lose , i know it burns deep in your bones. You are embarrassing yourself . You are the ones that come on BOTC saying how you would beat eveyone, that you should have been in the finals. of WSYL. You have not beat one good team. You are making a bad name for your kids. You have a good lacrosse team. No need to put down others, to try and make yourself feel better.

Here. Here. And the part about Taz having holdbacks is laughable. If you want to talk about holdback - BBL is packed with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy that runs USCL is a NJ guy trying to drive people away from BBL and other NJ clubs. Same reason Mad Dog '25 team is 19 after beating 9th and 6th ranked teams. Do your research!

You are missing the point of my post. The BBL people love to gloat when they are ranked high in these polls but claim that they are rigged when that ranking goes down. Total hypocrites. As far as I am concerned these poles are completely bogus. This is a sorry trend of capitalizing on youth lacrosse. The next company to look out for is Lacrosse Magazine. Not to be confused with US Lacrosse Magazine. Bottom line, please don't give these companies any credibility by posting their rankings online.

And yet you post here about the rankings because your team moved up. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Notice how Legacy is now pounding their chests after their World Series humiliation on TV now that they picked up a whole bunch of holdbacks and finally won a couple of fall games. The fact is last year before Legacy went whole hog with holdbacks would have been crushed by BBL in Denver. But they demanded that the brackets be changed last minute. BBL tried to play Legacy in the last tournament of the season with the WS teams but they couldn't even make it to the championship game losing to Laxachusetts and complaining to the tournament directors afterwards about biased officiating.

In Long Island, Legacy is a third rate club that's always outside looking in. So they have to go to other regions to spew their garbage. Legacy is cancer to the sport. Legacy's holdbacks will seek greener pastures and Legacy will be back to the bottom.

That is the funniest thing i ever heard. They have no hold backs. all those kids played in WSYL. check the roster instead of making excuses of why you lost to them. legacy beat you Last fall before WSYL. Its ok to lose , i know it burns deep in your bones. You are embarrassing yourself . You are the ones that come on BOTC saying how you would beat eveyone, that you should have been in the finals. of WSYL. You have not beat one good team. You are making a bad name for your kids. You have a good lacrosse team. No need to put down others, to try and make yourself feel better.

This is coming from the same Legacy team that bullied their own goalie into leaving. Constantly berated and made fun of his weight issue. He's a good goalie. Classy organization.

Message to the parents of the new Legacy goalie that replaced this poor kid. Your boy will eventually suffer the same fate not because he's not a good player, but because he looks "different" from the rest of the team. This Legacy team is notorious for being (fill in the blank). Keep a close eye on him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy that runs USCL is a NJ guy trying to drive people away from BBL and other NJ clubs. Same reason Mad Dog '25 team is 19 after beating 9th and 6th ranked teams. Do your research!

You are missing the point of my post. The BBL people love to gloat when they are ranked high in these polls but claim that they are rigged when that ranking goes down. Total hypocrites. As far as I am concerned these poles are completely bogus. This is a sorry trend of capitalizing on youth lacrosse. The next company to look out for is Lacrosse Magazine. Not to be confused with US Lacrosse Magazine. Bottom line, please don't give these companies any credibility by posting their rankings online.

And yet you post here about the rankings because your team moved up. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Notice how Legacy is now pounding their chests after their World Series humiliation on TV now that they picked up a whole bunch of holdbacks and finally won a couple of fall games. The fact is last year before Legacy went whole hog with holdbacks would have been crushed by BBL in Denver. But they demanded that the brackets be changed last minute. BBL tried to play Legacy in the last tournament of the season with the WS teams but they couldn't even make it to the championship game losing to Laxachusetts and complaining to the tournament directors afterwards about biased officiating.

In Long Island, Legacy is a third rate club that's always outside looking in. So they have to go to other regions to spew their garbage. Legacy is cancer to the sport. Legacy's holdbacks will seek greener pastures and Legacy will be back to the bottom.

That is the funniest thing i ever heard. They have no hold backs. all those kids played in WSYL. check the roster instead of making excuses of why you lost to them. legacy beat you Last fall before WSYL. Its ok to lose , i know it burns deep in your bones. You are embarrassing yourself . You are the ones that come on BOTC saying how you would beat eveyone, that you should have been in the finals. of WSYL. You have not beat one good team. You are making a bad name for your kids. You have a good lacrosse team. No need to put down others, to try and make yourself feel better.

This is coming from the same Legacy team that bullied their own goalie into leaving. Constantly berated and made fun of his weight issue. He's a good goalie. Classy organization.

That is not even funny how someone is allowed to just flat out lie, and spread rumors. You parents are trashy and this garbage should be ]\shut down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy that runs USCL is a NJ guy trying to drive people away from BBL and other NJ clubs. Same reason Mad Dog '25 team is 19 after beating 9th and 6th ranked teams. Do your research!

You are missing the point of my post. The BBL people love to gloat when they are ranked high in these polls but claim that they are rigged when that ranking goes down. Total hypocrites. As far as I am concerned these poles are completely bogus. This is a sorry trend of capitalizing on youth lacrosse. The next company to look out for is Lacrosse Magazine. Not to be confused with US Lacrosse Magazine. Bottom line, please don't give these companies any credibility by posting their rankings online.

And yet you post here about the rankings because your team moved up. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Notice how Legacy is now pounding their chests after their World Series humiliation on TV now that they picked up a whole bunch of holdbacks and finally won a couple of fall games. The fact is last year before Legacy went whole hog with holdbacks would have been crushed by BBL in Denver. But they demanded that the brackets be changed last minute. BBL tried to play Legacy in the last tournament of the season with the WS teams but they couldn't even make it to the championship game losing to Laxachusetts and complaining to the tournament directors afterwards about biased officiating.

In Long Island, Legacy is a third rate club that's always outside looking in. So they have to go to other regions to spew their garbage. Legacy is cancer to the sport. Legacy's holdbacks will seek greener pastures and Legacy will be back to the bottom.

That is the funniest thing i ever heard. They have no hold backs. all those kids played in WSYL. check the roster instead of making excuses of why you lost to them. legacy beat you Last fall before WSYL. Its ok to lose , i know it burns deep in your bones. You are embarrassing yourself . You are the ones that come on BOTC saying how you would beat eveyone, that you should have been in the finals. of WSYL. You have not beat one good team. You are making a bad name for your kids. You have a good lacrosse team. No need to put down others, to try and make yourself feel better.

This is coming from the same Legacy team that bullied their own goalie into leaving. Constantly berated and made fun of his weight issue. He's a good goalie. Classy organization.

That is not even funny how someone is allowed to just flat out lie, and spread rumors. You parents are trashy and this garbage should be ]\shut down.

Unfortunately, this is not a rumor and I wish it was. Why is this so surprising?? This story is well known in LI. It also happened on social media so it cannot be denied. It needs to be told as a cautionary tale for every single player on every club no matter how successful they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

This is coming from the same Legacy team that bullied their own goalie into leaving. Constantly berated and made fun of his weight issue. He's a good goalie. Classy organization.

That is not even funny how someone is allowed to just flat out lie, and spread rumors. You parents are trashy and this garbage should be ]\shut down.

Unfortunately, this is not a rumor and I wish it was. Why is this so surprising?? This story is well known in LI. It also happened on social media so it cannot be denied. It needs to be told as a cautionary tale for every single player on every club no matter how successful they are.

Not true. There was no goalie that Taz lost, they have 3 . should not even be a disscussion. There was some one on BOTC bullying the Goalie. from another team not to long ago, Which was probably you . . NOT Taz so00 Enough. You are suppose to be the kids friend, we know who you are . Stop spreadeing lies . If you want to talk with me about it please feel free. You can talk to the parents. they will tell you the truth

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

This is coming from the same Legacy team that bullied their own goalie into leaving. Constantly berated and made fun of his weight issue. He's a good goalie. Classy organization.

That is not even funny how someone is allowed to just flat out lie, and spread rumors. You parents are trashy and this garbage should be ]\shut down.

Unfortunately, this is not a rumor and I wish it was. Why is this so surprising?? This story is well known in LI. It also happened on social media so it cannot be denied. It needs to be told as a cautionary tale for every single player on every club no matter how successful they are.

Not true. There was no goalie that Taz lost, they have 3 . should not even be a disscussion. There was some one on BOTC bullying the Goalie. from another team not to long ago, Which was probably you . . NOT Taz so00 Enough. You are suppose to be the kids friend, we know who you are . Stop spreadeing lies . If you want to talk with me about it please feel free. You can talk to the parents. they will tell you the truth

You know you hit a nerve when someone finally resort to confront you on the sidelines. Tough guys from LI threatening people. Pahleez.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

This is coming from the same Legacy team that bullied their own goalie into leaving. Constantly berated and made fun of his weight issue. He's a good goalie. Classy organization.

That is not even funny how someone is allowed to just flat out lie, and spread rumors. You parents are trashy and this garbage should be ]\shut down.

Unfortunately, this is not a rumor and I wish it was. Why is this so surprising?? This story is well known in LI. It also happened on social media so it cannot be denied. It needs to be told as a cautionary tale for every single player on every club no matter how successful they are.

Not true. There was no goalie that Taz lost, they have 3 . should not even be a disscussion. There was some one on BOTC bullying the Goalie. from another team not to long ago, Which was probably you . . NOT Taz so00 Enough. You are suppose to be the kids friend, we know who you are . Stop spreadeing lies . If you want to talk with me about it please feel free. You can talk to the parents. they will tell you the truth

you are ALL ACTING LIKE CHILDREN!!! don't you have better things to do

News flash there are other very good clubs in New Jersey. This is not bbl message board. I dont mind a good argument every once and a while but this one needs to stop. Keep the subject about lax or go somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News flash there are other very good clubs in New Jersey. This is not bbl message board. I dont mind a good argument every once and a while but this one needs to stop. Keep the subject about lax or go somewhere else.

Agree with you totally. Speaking about other children , and singling them out is wrong. Just not right to even go there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News flash there are other very good clubs in New Jersey. This is not bbl message board. I dont mind a good argument every once and a while but this one needs to stop. Keep the subject about lax or go somewhere else.

Finally an adult. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy that runs USCL is a NJ guy trying to drive people away from BBL and other NJ clubs. Same reason Mad Dog '25 team is 19 after beating 9th and 6th ranked teams. Do your research!

You are missing the point of my post. The BBL people love to gloat when they are ranked high in these polls but claim that they are rigged when that ranking goes down. Total hypocrites. As far as I am concerned these poles are completely bogus. This is a sorry trend of capitalizing on youth lacrosse. The next company to look out for is Lacrosse Magazine. Not to be confused with US Lacrosse Magazine. Bottom line, please don't give these companies any credibility by posting their rankings online.

And yet you post here about the rankings because your team moved up. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Notice how Legacy is now pounding their chests after their World Series humiliation on TV now that they picked up a whole bunch of holdbacks and finally won a couple of fall games. The fact is last year before Legacy went whole hog with holdbacks would have been crushed by BBL in Denver. But they demanded that the brackets be changed last minute. BBL tried to play Legacy in the last tournament of the season with the WS teams but they couldn't even make it to the championship game losing to Laxachusetts and complaining to the tournament directors afterwards about biased officiating.

In Long Island, Legacy is a third rate club that's always outside looking in. So they have to go to other regions to spew their garbage. Legacy is cancer to the sport. Legacy's holdbacks will seek greener pastures and Legacy will be back to the bottom.

That is the funniest thing i ever heard. They have no hold backs. all those kids played in WSYL. check the roster instead of making excuses of why you lost to them. legacy beat you Last fall before WSYL. Its ok to lose , i know it burns deep in your bones. You are embarrassing yourself . You are the ones that come on BOTC saying how you would beat eveyone, that you should have been in the finals. of WSYL. You have not beat one good team. You are making a bad name for your kids. You have a good lacrosse team. No need to put down others, to try and make yourself feel better.

This is coming from the same Legacy team that bullied their own goalie into leaving. Constantly berated and made fun of his weight issue. He's a good goalie. Classy organization.

Message to the parents of the new Legacy goalie that replaced this poor kid. Your boy will eventually suffer the same fate not because he's not a good player, but because he looks "different" from the rest of the team. This Legacy team is notorious for being (fill in the blank). Keep a close eye on him.

Are you kidding - you are giving advise in this !@#$%^& place? Laughable and please get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are missing the point of my post. The BBL people love to gloat when they are ranked high in these polls but claim that they are rigged when that ranking goes down. Total hypocrites. As far as I am concerned these poles are completely bogus. This is a sorry trend of capitalizing on youth lacrosse. The next company to look out for is Lacrosse Magazine. Not to be confused with US Lacrosse Magazine. Bottom line, please don't give these companies any credibility by posting their rankings online.

And yet you post here about the rankings because your team moved up. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Notice how Legacy is now pounding their chests after their World Series humiliation on TV now that they picked up a whole bunch of holdbacks and finally won a couple of fall games. The fact is last year before Legacy went whole hog with holdbacks would have been crushed by BBL in Denver. But they demanded that the brackets be changed last minute. BBL tried to play Legacy in the last tournament of the season with the WS teams but they couldn't even make it to the championship game losing to Laxachusetts and complaining to the tournament directors afterwards about biased officiating.

In Long Island, Legacy is a third rate club that's always outside looking in. So they have to go to other regions to spew their garbage. Legacy is cancer to the sport. Legacy's holdbacks will seek greener pastures and Legacy will be back to the bottom.

That is the funniest thing i ever heard. They have no hold backs. all those kids played in WSYL. check the roster instead of making excuses of why you lost to them. legacy beat you Last fall before WSYL. Its ok to lose , i know it burns deep in your bones. You are embarrassing yourself . You are the ones that come on BOTC saying how you would beat eveyone, that you should have been in the finals. of WSYL. You have not beat one good team. You are making a bad name for your kids. You have a good lacrosse team. No need to put down others, to try and make yourself feel better.

This is coming from the same Legacy team that bullied their own goalie into leaving. Constantly berated and made fun of his weight issue. He's a good goalie. Classy organization.

Message to the parents of the new Legacy goalie that replaced this poor kid. Your boy will eventually suffer the same fate not because he's not a good player, but because he looks "different" from the rest of the team. This Legacy team is notorious for being (fill in the blank). Keep a close eye on him.

Are you kidding - you are giving advise in this !@#$%^& place? Laughable and please get a life.

PLEASE STOP. We had enough of this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News flash there are other very good clubs in New Jersey. This is not bbl message board. I dont mind a good argument every once and a while but this one needs to stop. Keep the subject about lax or go somewhere else.

There are usually 2 sometimes 3 NJ teams in the top 25 of USCLUBLAXdotCom, So Jersey is representing pretty well, Jersey strong. BBL is always in the top 25 at each age group and usually top 10.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News flash there are other very good clubs in New Jersey. This is not bbl message board. I dont mind a good argument every once and a while but this one needs to stop. Keep the subject about lax or go somewhere else.

There are usually 2 sometimes 3 NJ teams in the top 25 of USCLUBLAXdotCom, So Jersey is representing pretty well, Jersey strong. BBL is always in the top 25 at each age group and usually top 10.

NJ lacrosse is somewhat fragmented and therefore talent is spread thin. Nothing wrong with that but it would be nice to have a version of a NJ combined team similar to True or Dukes where top players can play together outside of their respective clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News flash there are other very good clubs in New Jersey. This is not bbl message board. I dont mind a good argument every once and a while but this one needs to stop. Keep the subject about lax or go somewhere else.

There are usually 2 sometimes 3 NJ teams in the top 25 of USCLUBLAXdotCom, So Jersey is representing pretty well, Jersey strong. BBL is always in the top 25 at each age group and usually top 10.

NJ lacrosse is somewhat fragmented and therefore talent is spread thin. Nothing wrong with that but it would be nice to have a version of a NJ combined team similar to True or Dukes where top players can play together outside of their respective clubs.

The national team model makes no sense from a development perspective. They have few, if any practices, and just meet up for 1 or 2 tournaments a year. If you are on a top team in your age group in NJ, you are probably playing the same tournaments anyway, and getting quality practices with your team. That being said, if you are interested in a national team, there is always Mad Dog locally, or you can drive to PA or MD. If there was a real benefit to the national teams, you would see a lot more kids from LI playing on those teams. As you said, the real problem is that the NJ talent is spread too thin, but recently it seems like a few NJ clubs are doing a very good job aggregating talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News flash there are other very good clubs in New Jersey. This is not bbl message board. I dont mind a good argument every once and a while but this one needs to stop. Keep the subject about lax or go somewhere else.

There are usually 2 sometimes 3 NJ teams in the top 25 of USCLUBLAXdotCom, So Jersey is representing pretty well, Jersey strong. BBL is always in the top 25 at each age group and usually top 10.

NJ lacrosse is somewhat fragmented and therefore talent is spread thin. Nothing wrong with that but it would be nice to have a version of a NJ combined team similar to True or Dukes where top players can play together outside of their respective clubs.

The national team model makes no sense from a development perspective. They have few, if any practices, and just meet up for 1 or 2 tournaments a year. If you are on a top team in your age group in NJ, you are probably playing the same tournaments anyway, and getting quality practices with your team. That being said, if you are interested in a national team, there is always Mad Dog locally, or you can drive to PA or MD. If there was a real benefit to the national teams, you would see a lot more kids from LI playing on those teams. As you said, the real problem is that the NJ talent is spread too thin, but recently it seems like a few NJ clubs are doing a very good job aggregating talent.

I agree regarding development. Joining a national team as a supplement usually means the player is already being developed by his or her club team. That player may be one of the best players in that team. Typical situation is that the team as a whole may not be considered AA (whatever that means) and enters tournaments in the correct bracket but he or she desires to compete in a AA bracket with a national team notwithstanding scheduling conflicts. What tournaments this summer have Mad Dog National team played in. Curious about what teams they play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News flash there are other very good clubs in New Jersey. This is not bbl message board. I dont mind a good argument every once and a while but this one needs to stop. Keep the subject about lax or go somewhere else.

There are usually 2 sometimes 3 NJ teams in the top 25 of USCLUBLAXdotCom, So Jersey is representing pretty well, Jersey strong. BBL is always in the top 25 at each age group and usually top 10.

NJ lacrosse is somewhat fragmented and therefore talent is spread thin. Nothing wrong with that but it would be nice to have a version of a NJ combined team similar to True or Dukes where top players can play together outside of their respective clubs.

The national team model makes no sense from a development perspective. They have few, if any practices, and just meet up for 1 or 2 tournaments a year. If you are on a top team in your age group in NJ, you are probably playing the same tournaments anyway, and getting quality practices with your team. That being said, if you are interested in a national team, there is always Mad Dog locally, or you can drive to PA or MD. If there was a real benefit to the national teams, you would see a lot more kids from LI playing on those teams. As you said, the real problem is that the NJ talent is spread too thin, but recently it seems like a few NJ clubs are doing a very good job aggregating talent.

I agree regarding development. Joining a national team as a supplement usually means the player is already being developed by his or her club team. That player may be one of the best players in that team. Typical situation is that the team as a whole may not be considered AA (whatever that means) and enters tournaments in the correct bracket but he or she desires to compete in a AA bracket with a national team notwithstanding scheduling conflicts. What tournaments this summer have Mad Dog National team played in. Curious about what teams they play.

They play in Naptown and the new event in NJ July 11th & 12th. Mad Dog West 2024 and Mad Dog Black 2025 play in Naptown without national players. Moving to Mad Dog NJ for the national team is a mistake. NJ could be dead in a year and only National Team that is legit is the 2021 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News flash there are other very good clubs in New Jersey. This is not bbl message board. I dont mind a good argument every once and a while but this one needs to stop. Keep the subject about lax or go somewhere else.

There are usually 2 sometimes 3 NJ teams in the top 25 of USCLUBLAXdotCom, So Jersey is representing pretty well, Jersey strong. BBL is always in the top 25 at each age group and usually top 10.

NJ lacrosse is somewhat fragmented and therefore talent is spread thin. Nothing wrong with that but it would be nice to have a version of a NJ combined team similar to True or Dukes where top players can play together outside of their respective clubs.

The national team model makes no sense from a development perspective. They have few, if any practices, and just meet up for 1 or 2 tournaments a year. If you are on a top team in your age group in NJ, you are probably playing the same tournaments anyway, and getting quality practices with your team. That being said, if you are interested in a national team, there is always Mad Dog locally, or you can drive to PA or MD. If there was a real benefit to the national teams, you would see a lot more kids from LI playing on those teams. As you said, the real problem is that the NJ talent is spread too thin, but recently it seems like a few NJ clubs are doing a very good job aggregating talent.

I agree regarding development. Joining a national team as a supplement usually means the player is already being developed by his or her club team. That player may be one of the best players in that team. Typical situation is that the team as a whole may not be considered AA (whatever that means) and enters tournaments in the correct bracket but he or she desires to compete in a AA bracket with a national team notwithstanding scheduling conflicts. What tournaments this summer have Mad Dog National team played in. Curious about what teams they play.

They played Naptown and the national team event in NJ the following weekend this summer. Obviously, at Naptown, you will get most of the big clubs, the NJ event was small format, but had some quality teams like True Atlantic and Dukes. I can certainly appreciate your perspective, but tournaments like Crabfeast and Naptown also have NJ club teams, and along with the NLF events, probably offer the highest level of youth lacrosse competition. Unlike Crabfeast, Naptown seems to attract many more national level teams. While you obviously know what's best for your own child, if you feel that their regular club is not offering the appropriate level of competition, perhaps a change of clubs would help. While this is not a bad thing, many NJ clubs focus mostly on development and stick to the B or lower level A tournaments, if your kid is an A or AA player, they may be better served on a NJ club that plays only A and AA tournaments. Also, keep in mind, that although your child may seem like an AA player in the lower level tournaments, things are much different at the AA level, a lot of these teams are filled with big, fast and incredibly talented players which can be a big adjustment. Also, while some would disagree, despite the fact that these national teams hold tryouts, they typically target kids that they already know, not to mention the mysterious "guest" players that appear out of nowhere.

No kid on either team, but I watched the BBL 2022 team absolutely crush the Mad Dog national team at Downingtown yesterday.
It begs the question whether the Mad Dog NJ or Cal team would have done just as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No kid on either team, but I watched the BBL 2022 team absolutely crush the Mad Dog national team at Downingtown yesterday.
It begs the question whether the Mad Dog NJ or Cal team would have done just as well.

Do they even still have a NJ team? Didn't Mad Dog NJ fall apart after the Squan coach left? Only National teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No kid on either team, but I watched the BBL 2022 team absolutely crush the Mad Dog national team at Downingtown yesterday.
It begs the question whether the Mad Dog NJ or Cal team would have done just as well.

Do they even still have a NJ team? Didn't Mad Dog NJ fall apart after the Squan coach left? Only National teams?

best teams are the top ranked national teams on sites like us club lacrosse. no need to join a national team unless you just want to blow money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No kid on either team, but I watched the BBL 2022 team absolutely crush the Mad Dog national team at Downingtown yesterday.
It begs the question whether the Mad Dog NJ or Cal team would have done just as well.

What was the score?

Looks like 2021 MD national did ok.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No kid on either team, but I watched the BBL 2022 team absolutely crush the Mad Dog national team at Downingtown yesterday.
It begs the question whether the Mad Dog NJ or Cal team would have done just as well.

What was the score?

Looks like 2021 MD national did ok.

2021 is their best national team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No kid on either team, but I watched the BBL 2022 team absolutely crush the Mad Dog national team at Downingtown yesterday.
It begs the question whether the Mad Dog NJ or Cal team would have done just as well.

What was the score?

Looks like 2021 MD national did ok.

It looked like 10 or 11 to 3 when I was watching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No kid on either team, but I watched the BBL 2022 team absolutely crush the Mad Dog national team at Downingtown yesterday.
It begs the question whether the Mad Dog NJ or Cal team would have done just as well.

What was the score?

Looks like 2021 MD national did ok.

It looked like 10 or 11 to 3 when I was watching.

Mad Dog National was a 23/22 team and their best 2022 played on the 2021 National team. Squan kid, he is very solid. Not sure how long he stays with MD. His brother played for Leading Edge.

Anyone know anything about the New Jersey National team playing this weekend in FL? Is that a Mad Dog team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the New Jersey National team playing this weekend in FL? Is that a Mad Dog team?

I heard that it was somehow related to NJLC, either way, most of the NJ talent is home and back in school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the New Jersey National team playing this weekend in FL? Is that a Mad Dog team?

I heard that it was somehow related to NJLC, either way, most of the NJ talent is home and back in school.

Who is Upper Level Club in NJ? Are they part of NJLC?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know anything about the New Jersey National team playing this weekend in FL? Is that a Mad Dog team?

I heard that it was somehow related to NJLC, either way, most of the NJ talent is home and back in school.

Who is Upper Level Club in NJ? Are they part of NJLC?

They have been around a while, seem to play mostly local NJ and PA tournaments, never heard anything good or bad about the club

How many of the NJ teams qualify? All 5 & Team 91 MD?

Tri-State 2025
BBL Elite
Tribal SJ 2025
Mad Dog East
TEAM Lacrosse 2025
Team 91 Maryland 2025
2025 Cannons Gold
True Lacrosse Maryland 2025
3d Garden State 2025AA
Breakers 2025 Blue
Zingos 2025 Black
Top Caliber Lacrosse 2025
3d Maryland 2025

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many of the NJ teams qualify? All 5 & Team 91 MD?

Tri-State 2025
BBL Elite
Tribal SJ 2025
Mad Dog East
TEAM Lacrosse 2025
Team 91 Maryland 2025
2025 Cannons Gold
True Lacrosse Maryland 2025
3d Garden State 2025AA
Breakers 2025 Blue
Zingos 2025 Black
Top Caliber Lacrosse 2025
3d Maryland 2025

BBL
Tribal
Mad Dog

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many of the NJ teams qualify? All 5 & Team 91 MD?

Tri-State 2025
BBL Elite
Tribal SJ 2025
Mad Dog East
TEAM Lacrosse 2025
Team 91 Maryland 2025
2025 Cannons Gold
True Lacrosse Maryland 2025
3d Garden State 2025AA
Breakers 2025 Blue
Zingos 2025 Black
Top Caliber Lacrosse 2025
3d Maryland 2025

BBL
Tribal
Mad Dog

BBL
Tri-State
3d Garden State

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many of the NJ teams qualify? All 5 & Team 91 MD?

Tri-State 2025
BBL Elite
Tribal SJ 2025
Mad Dog East
TEAM Lacrosse 2025
Team 91 Maryland 2025
2025 Cannons Gold
True Lacrosse Maryland 2025
3d Garden State 2025AA
Breakers 2025 Blue
Zingos 2025 Black
Top Caliber Lacrosse 2025
3d Maryland 2025

BBL
Tribal
Mad Dog

BBL
Tri-State
3d Garden State

You must not know much about Mad Dog and Tribal 2025 teams

true statement...I don't know much about tribal. Do they have any high school level teams? Is their program plugged into college coaches?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

true statement...I don't know much about tribal. Do they have any high school level teams? Is their program plugged into college coaches?

That is irrelevant, the question was about NJ teams qualifying for the WSYL. BBL, Tribal and Mad Dog teams are all very strong and, if you put any weight behind US Club Lax rankings, are ranked 12, 16 and 17 nationally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

true statement...I don't know much about tribal. Do they have any high school level teams? Is their program plugged into college coaches?

That is irrelevant, the question was about NJ teams qualifying for the WSYL. BBL, Tribal and Mad Dog teams are all very strong and, if you put any weight behind US Club Lax rankings, are ranked 12, 16 and 17 nationally.

Any word from WSYL on the qualifier? They going to push it back or is the WSYL done for this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

true statement...I don't know much about tribal. Do they have any high school level teams? Is their program plugged into college coaches?

That is irrelevant, the question was about NJ teams qualifying for the WSYL. BBL, Tribal and Mad Dog teams are all very strong and, if you put any weight behind US Club Lax rankings, are ranked 12, 16 and 17 nationally.

Mad Dog's best player is a summer birthday and can't play.. going to be a big problem for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

true statement...I don't know much about tribal. Do they have any high school level teams? Is their program plugged into college coaches?

That is irrelevant, the question was about NJ teams qualifying for the WSYL. BBL, Tribal and Mad Dog teams are all very strong and, if you put any weight behind US Club Lax rankings, are ranked 12, 16 and 17 nationally.

Mad Dog's best player is a summer birthday and can't play.. going to be a big problem for them.

Well, the discussion is probably irrelevant at this point, but I believe that BBL had the same "big problem" last year, and things worked out OK. Hopefully, things will calm down a bit and our kids can get in some lacrosse this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

true statement...I don't know much about tribal. Do they have any high school level teams? Is their program plugged into college coaches?

That is irrelevant, the question was about NJ teams qualifying for the WSYL. BBL, Tribal and Mad Dog teams are all very strong and, if you put any weight behind US Club Lax rankings, are ranked 12, 16 and 17 nationally.

Mad Dog's best player is a summer birthday and can't play.. going to be a big problem for them.

Well, the discussion is probably irrelevant at this point, but I believe that BBL had the same "big problem" last year, and things worked out OK. Hopefully, things will calm down a bit and our kids can get in some lacrosse this summer.

Mad Dog wouldn't play that game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

true statement...I don't know much about tribal. Do they have any high school level teams? Is their program plugged into college coaches?

That is irrelevant, the question was about NJ teams qualifying for the WSYL. BBL, Tribal and Mad Dog teams are all very strong and, if you put any weight behind US Club Lax rankings, are ranked 12, 16 and 17 nationally.

Mad Dog's best player is a summer birthday and can't play.. going to be a big problem for them.

Well, the discussion is probably irrelevant at this point, but I believe that BBL had the same "big problem" last year, and things worked out OK. Hopefully, things will calm down a bit and our kids can get in some lacrosse this summer.

Mad Dog wouldn't play that game.

I agree, but there will always be doubters. My son does not play for Mad Dog, but I have had some experience with the 2025 coach and he seems like a really good guy. I do know a few parents of 2025 players and I know that they would certainly agree that he is an excellent coach and would not do anything underhanded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

true statement...I don't know much about tribal. Do they have any high school level teams? Is their program plugged into college coaches?

That is irrelevant, the question was about NJ teams qualifying for the WSYL. BBL, Tribal and Mad Dog teams are all very strong and, if you put any weight behind US Club Lax rankings, are ranked 12, 16 and 17 nationally.

Mad Dog's best player is a summer birthday and can't play.. going to be a big problem for them.

Well, the discussion is probably irrelevant at this point, but I believe that BBL had the same "big problem" last year, and things worked out OK. Hopefully, things will calm down a bit and our kids can get in some lacrosse this summer.

Mad Dog wouldn't play that game.

I agree, but there will always be doubters. My son does not play for Mad Dog, but I have had some experience with the 2025 coach and he seems like a really good guy. I do know a few parents of 2025 players and I know that they would certainly agree that he is an excellent coach and would not do anything underhanded.

Too bad he has blown up the Mad Dog NJ program. All he cares about is the 2025 Black team.

Too bad he has blown up the Mad Dog NJ program. All he cares about is the 2025 Black team.[/quote]

I think that he was left with a program in decline and perhaps sees that the only way to re-build is to start with the younger age groups. Other than the 2021 team, the high school program is shot for now, but if he can develop these younger teams, maybe there is a future for the NJ program. He needs to have a track record, and success at the younger age groups will bring in more kids. A lot of the blame can be placed on the 2023 parents that bailed right before the season, that really hurt the high school program,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too bad he has blown up the Mad Dog NJ program. All he cares about is the 2025 Black team.

I think that he was left with a program in decline and perhaps sees that the only way to re-build is to start with the younger age groups. Other than the 2021 team, the high school program is shot for now, but if he can develop these younger teams, maybe there is a future for the NJ program. He needs to have a track record, and success at the younger age groups will bring in more kids. A lot of the blame can be placed on the 2023 parents that bailed right before the season, that really hurt the high school program,[/quote]

You sound like the director trying to place blame on parents.
Don't know anything about the 2023s. I had a son on the 2027 team and it was a s*** show so we moved on. Revolving door with coaches. Too bad Billy isn't still around he could get all the kids back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too bad he has blown up the Mad Dog NJ program. All he cares about is the 2025 Black team.

I think that he was left with a program in decline and perhaps sees that the only way to re-build is to start with the younger age groups. Other than the 2021 team, the high school program is shot for now, but if he can develop these younger teams, maybe there is a future for the NJ program. He needs to have a track record, and success at the younger age groups will bring in more kids. A lot of the blame can be placed on the 2023 parents that bailed right before the season, that really hurt the high school program,

You sound like the director trying to place blame on parents.
Don't know anything about the 2023s. I had a son on the 2027 team and it was a s*** show so we moved on. Revolving door with coaches. Too bad Billy isn't still around he could get all the kids back.[/quote]

Honestly, not affiliated with the program in any way, but the 2023 mess last year was a disaster. Clearly, you have a much better perspective on the situation than I do. I hope that you and your son found a better option, nothing more disappointing that spending all of that money for a ton of aggravation. We recently went through a club change as well, fortunately, there are some good alternatives available.

Any NJ clubs starting to get back on the field?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any NJ clubs starting to get back on the field?

I think that some will start limited no-contact practices as of 6/22

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any NJ clubs starting to get back on the field?

I think that some will start limited no-contact practices as of 6/22

Mad Dog National running practices for limited Mad Dog players. Tri-State stars in a few weeks and the Jersey Shore beaches are packed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any NJ clubs starting to get back on the field?

I think that some will start limited no-contact practices as of 6/22

Mad Dog National running practices for limited Mad Dog players. Tri-State stars in a few weeks and the Jersey Shore beaches are packed.

Unfortunately, the start of practices will not help the beach crowds, unbelievable...

Besides Mad Dog, has anyone else started practicing yet?

Originally Posted by TriStateLaxer

Besides Mad Dog, has anyone else started practicing yet?

Considering that it was basically illegal to practice until yesterday, you probably will not get a lot of replies, but I believe that a few clubs are starting up this week.

Two new directors for Mad Dog NJ! Hopefully, these two can make it 24 months.

Which directors did Mad Dog just get?

Announcement !!!! It’s been a great run with Tribal Lacrosse. For 20-21 season and beyond we have partnered with the Express program. We believe this will be great for lacrosse in South Jersey and help us meet our goal of improved skill development, exposure and NCAA recruiting guidance for our youth and high school players.

darn. What happened to BBL 2024 Black yesterday? Got spanked by Madlax and Looneys. Oh yes and get this, Primetime beat Madlax so BBL can't complain about all the Maryland holdbacks. BBL ended the day at the bottom of the bracket, a far cry from being ranked #2 in the country. It will be interesting to see what happens to this team next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn. What happened to BBL 2024 Black yesterday? Got spanked by Madlax and Looneys. Oh yes and get this, Primetime beat Madlax so BBL can't complain about all the Maryland holdbacks. BBL ended the day at the bottom of the bracket, a far cry from being ranked #2 in the country. It will be interesting to see what happens to this team next year.

Wait did Primetime win the championship?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Announcement !!!! It’s been a great run with Tribal Lacrosse. For 20-21 season and beyond we have partnered with the Express program. We believe this will be great for lacrosse in South Jersey and help us meet our goal of improved skill development, exposure and NCAA recruiting guidance for our youth and high school players.

Oh boy! New gearbags and uni's for the children. should only cost the current players a couple hundred bucks for the merch upgrade. If Branding and Licensing deals is what you people are hoping will grow lacrosse in your area, i have a bridge I want to sell you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]darn. What happened to BBL 2024 Black yesterday? Got spanked by Madlax and Looneys. Oh yes and get this, Primetime beat Madlax so BBL can't complain about all the Maryland holdbacks. BBL ended the day at the bottom of the bracket, a far cry from being ranked #2 in the country. It will be interesting to see what happens to this team next year.

Wait did Primetime win the championship?

Brotherly Love.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]darn. What happened to BBL 2024 Black yesterday? Got spanked by Madlax and Looneys. Oh yes and get this, Primetime beat Madlax so BBL can't complain about all the Maryland holdbacks. BBL ended the day at the bottom of the bracket, a far cry from being ranked #2 in the country. It will be interesting to see what happens to this team next year.

Wait did Primetime win the championship?

Brotherly Love.

Thanks for verifying that Primetime has won jack and decided to crow about 2nd place. ok got it. Participation trophies next.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn. What happened to BBL 2024 Black yesterday? Got spanked by Madlax and Looneys. Oh yes and get this, Primetime beat Madlax so BBL can't complain about all the Maryland holdbacks. BBL ended the day at the bottom of the bracket, a far cry from being ranked #2 in the country. It will be interesting to see what happens to this team next year.

BBL just did not play as well as they normally do this past weekend. It happens. With exception of Madlax, they have beaten every team they lost to more than once, including the team that won it. It was also the hardest three game bracket in the entire 2024 age bracket anywhere! When you are not playing at your best its a real tall task against teams like these especially when you are missing two key players. And genuine props to Primetime who beat Madlax with same exact team that went to World Series (no holdbacks). Madlax is fun team to watch if you have not seen them. In fact all these teams are fun to watch and if you not on your game they will make you pay!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn. What happened to BBL 2024 Black yesterday? Got spanked by Madlax and Looneys. Oh yes and get this, Primetime beat Madlax so BBL can't complain about all the Maryland holdbacks. BBL ended the day at the bottom of the bracket, a far cry from being ranked #2 in the country. It will be interesting to see what happens to this team next year.

BBL just did not play as well as they normally do this past weekend. It happens. With exception of Madlax, they have beaten every team they lost to more than once, including the team that won it. It was also the hardest three game bracket in the entire 2024 age bracket anywhere! When you are not playing at your best its a real tall task against teams like these especially when you are missing two key players. And genuine props to Primetime who beat Madlax with same exact team that went to World Series (no holdbacks). Madlax is fun team to watch if you have not seen them. In fact all these teams are fun to watch and if you not on your game they will make you pay!

It will be interesting to see what happens to this team. AH better start handing out some free rides to keep franchise players from defecting.

Can you please elaborate on your views of/experience with the Express program? I have a youth player in South Jersey and was going to tryout with Express. Thanks for your input.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you please elaborate on your views of/experience with the Express program? I have a youth player in South Jersey and was going to tryout with Express. Thanks for your input.

Which Express .. North? LI? DC?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn. What happened to BBL 2024 Black yesterday? Got spanked by Madlax and Looneys. Oh yes and get this, Primetime beat Madlax so BBL can't complain about all the Maryland holdbacks. BBL ended the day at the bottom of the bracket, a far cry from being ranked #2 in the country. It will be interesting to see what happens to this team next year.

BBL just did not play as well as they normally do this past weekend. It happens. With exception of Madlax, they have beaten every team they lost to more than once, including the team that won it. It was also the hardest three game bracket in the entire 2024 age bracket anywhere! When you are not playing at your best its a real tall task against teams like these especially when you are missing two key players. And genuine props to Primetime who beat Madlax with same exact team that went to World Series (no holdbacks). Madlax is fun team to watch if you have not seen them. In fact all these teams are fun to watch and if you not on your game they will make you pay!

It will be interesting to see what happens to this team. AH better start handing out some free rides to keep franchise players from defecting.

Really? Deflecting to where and why? Because they lost some games against some of the top teams in one of the best tournaments? If parents and players leave because of that not sure they are the type you want. You still mad you dont have a spot on the team? Youre def not the type a program wants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn. What happened to BBL 2024 Black yesterday? Got spanked by Madlax and Looneys. Oh yes and get this, Primetime beat Madlax so BBL can't complain about all the Maryland holdbacks. BBL ended the day at the bottom of the bracket, a far cry from being ranked #2 in the country. It will be interesting to see what happens to this team next year.

BBL just did not play as well as they normally do this past weekend. It happens. With exception of Madlax, they have beaten every team they lost to more than once, including the team that won it. It was also the hardest three game bracket in the entire 2024 age bracket anywhere! When you are not playing at your best its a real tall task against teams like these especially when you are missing two key players. And genuine props to Primetime who beat Madlax with same exact team that went to World Series (no holdbacks). Madlax is fun team to watch if you have not seen them. In fact all these teams are fun to watch and if you not on your game they will make you pay!

It will be interesting to see what happens to this team. AH better start handing out some free rides to keep franchise players from defecting.

Really? Deflecting to where and why? Because they lost some games against some of the top teams in one of the best tournaments? If parents and players leave because of that not sure they are the type you want. You still mad you dont have a spot on the team? Youre def not the type a program wants.

The only reason a kid should leave a program is if the coaching is not what was expected, or your kid is not developing each season, leaving to hunt for wins is a ridiculous waste of time.

Jersey Express - the Express brand is taking over the Tribal teams in NJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn. What happened to BBL 2024 Black yesterday? Got spanked by Madlax and Looneys. Oh yes and get this, Primetime beat Madlax so BBL can't complain about all the Maryland holdbacks. BBL ended the day at the bottom of the bracket, a far cry from being ranked #2 in the country. It will be interesting to see what happens to this team next year.

BBL just did not play as well as they normally do this past weekend. It happens. With exception of Madlax, they have beaten every team they lost to more than once, including the team that won it. It was also the hardest three game bracket in the entire 2024 age bracket anywhere! When you are not playing at your best its a real tall task against teams like these especially when you are missing two key players. And genuine props to Primetime who beat Madlax with same exact team that went to World Series (no holdbacks). Madlax is fun team to watch if you have not seen them. In fact all these teams are fun to watch and if you not on your game they will make you pay!

It will be interesting to see what happens to this team. AH better start handing out some free rides to keep franchise players from defecting.

Really? Deflecting to where and why? Because they lost some games against some of the top teams in one of the best tournaments? If parents and players leave because of that not sure they are the type you want. You still mad you dont have a spot on the team? Youre def not the type a program wants.

The only reason a kid should leave a program is if the coaching is not what was expected, or your kid is not developing each season, leaving to hunt for wins is a ridiculous waste of time.

Just to clarify BBL lost to they top teams. They played in the hardest bracket. Level of play across the board much different than the other brackets. BL also in tough bracket but not nearly as difficult. Also BBL had much less practices than the teams they played said through direct conversations with parents from other teams. They could lose three in a row again against these teams or could win them. It's how it works. Just didn't have good weekend given many variables that includes playing the toughest competition you will find hence why you will see most of same group with same program next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn. What happened to BBL 2024 Black yesterday? Got spanked by Madlax and Looneys. Oh yes and get this, Primetime beat Madlax so BBL can't complain about all the Maryland holdbacks. BBL ended the day at the bottom of the bracket, a far cry from being ranked #2 in the country. It will be interesting to see what happens to this team next year.

BBL just did not play as well as they normally do this past weekend. It happens. With exception of Madlax, they have beaten every team they lost to more than once, including the team that won it. It was also the hardest three game bracket in the entire 2024 age bracket anywhere! When you are not playing at your best its a real tall task against teams like these especially when you are missing two key players. And genuine props to Primetime who beat Madlax with same exact team that went to World Series (no holdbacks). Madlax is fun team to watch if you have not seen them. In fact all these teams are fun to watch and if you not on your game they will make you pay!

It will be interesting to see what happens to this team. AH better start handing out some free rides to keep franchise players from defecting.

Really? Deflecting to where and why? Because they lost some games against some of the top teams in one of the best tournaments? If parents and players leave because of that not sure they are the type you want. You still mad you dont have a spot on the team? Youre def not the type a program wants.

The only reason a kid should leave a program is if the coaching is not what was expected, or your kid is not developing each season, leaving to hunt for wins is a ridiculous waste of time.

Just to clarify BBL lost to they top teams. They played in the hardest bracket. Level of play across the board much different than the other brackets. BL also in tough bracket but not nearly as difficult. Also BBL had much less practices than the teams they played said through direct conversations with parents from other teams. They could lose three in a row again against these teams or could win them. It's how it works. Just didn't have good weekend given many variables that includes playing the toughest competition you will find hence why you will see most of same group with same program next year.

save your time, some people will never take the time to think about things this rationally, they just want to stir the pot.

I have no love for bbl, but with all of this COVID going on, I just gotta say that no team is at the top of their game. Just saying, no spring season, and not being allowed to have real practices until July (varying by location) with some teams following the rules and others not. This whole summer season is meaningless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no love for bbl, but with all of this COVID going on, I just gotta say that no team is at the top of their game. Just saying, no spring season, and not being allowed to have real practices until July (varying by location) with some teams following the rules and others not. This whole summer season is meaningless.

Not sure if it's ture but heard a number of the top BBL 2024 are trying out for Leading Edge. BBL having a hard time putting kids in collage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no love for bbl, but with all of this COVID going on, I just gotta say that no team is at the top of their game. Just saying, no spring season, and not being allowed to have real practices until July (varying by location) with some teams following the rules and others not. This whole summer season is meaningless.

Not sure if it's ture but heard a number of the top BBL 2024 are trying out for Leading Edge. BBL having a hard time putting kids in collage.

Found the LE director. Nice try. How about setting up a game btw BBL and LE see how that goes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no love for bbl, but with all of this COVID going on, I just gotta say that no team is at the top of their game. Just saying, no spring season, and not being allowed to have real practices until July (varying by location) with some teams following the rules and others not. This whole summer season is meaningless.

Not sure if it's ture but heard a number of the top BBL 2024 are trying out for Leading Edge. BBL having a hard time putting kids in collage.

Found the LE director. Nice try. How about setting up a game btw BBL and LE see how that goes.

Leading Edge will catch up to and probably surpass BBL next season. They always add a bunch of players and grab a handful of reclasses. BBL is still a good club but when they get to high school they fall off a bit. The current BBL high school teams used to beat up on LE at the youth level. Now its the other way around. Same thing is likely to happen here. If the 2024s played today though, I'd say BBL wins by 2-3 goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no love for bbl, but with all of this COVID going on, I just gotta say that no team is at the top of their game. Just saying, no spring season, and not being allowed to have real practices until July (varying by location) with some teams following the rules and others not. This whole summer season is meaningless.

Not sure if it's ture but heard a number of the top BBL 2024 are trying out for Leading Edge. BBL having a hard time putting kids in collage.

Found the LE director. Nice try. How about setting up a game btw BBL and LE see how that goes.

Leading Edge will catch up to and probably surpass BBL next season. They always add a bunch of players and grab a handful of reclasses. BBL is still a good club but when they get to high school they fall off a bit. The current BBL high school teams used to beat up on LE at the youth level. Now its the other way around. Same thing is likely to happen here. If the 2024s played today though, I'd say BBL wins by 2-3 goals.

Your credibility is suspect LE dad. No-one from BBL 24s would join a B level LE team. Proof will be after BBLs tryout is done and core players stay. What's the draw anyway, NLF? please. It's been watered down and lost its appeal and LE is never competitive in it. By the way, BBL wins by 15-18 goals easy with half their players missing.

Seen the 2024 leading edge team play. BBL girls team can probably give them problems. lol. the older teams are very good like that guy is saying. everyone relax and just be glad theres lax played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no love for bbl, but with all of this COVID going on, I just gotta say that no team is at the top of their game. Just saying, no spring season, and not being allowed to have real practices until July (varying by location) with some teams following the rules and others not. This whole summer season is meaningless.

Not sure if it's ture but heard a number of the top BBL 2024 are trying out for Leading Edge. BBL having a hard time putting kids in collage.

Found the LE director. Nice try. How about setting up a game btw BBL and LE see how that goes.

Leading Edge will catch up to and probably surpass BBL next season. They always add a bunch of players and grab a handful of reclasses. BBL is still a good club but when they get to high school they fall off a bit. The current BBL high school teams used to beat up on LE at the youth level. Now its the other way around. Same thing is likely to happen here. If the 2024s played today though, I'd say BBL wins by 2-3 goals.

Your credibility is suspect LE dad. No-one from BBL 24s would join a B level LE team. Proof will be after BBLs tryout is done and core players stay. What's the draw anyway, NLF? please. It's been watered down and lost its appeal and LE is never competitive in it. By the way, BBL wins by 15-18 goals easy with half their players missing.

Don't be so sure. Just takes one of the top two players to leave and they have a big problem. I would be really surprised if this team stays together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no love for bbl, but with all of this COVID going on, I just gotta say that no team is at the top of their game. Just saying, no spring season, and not being allowed to have real practices until July (varying by location) with some teams following the rules and others not. This whole summer season is meaningless.

Not sure if it's ture but heard a number of the top BBL 2024 are trying out for Leading Edge. BBL having a hard time putting kids in collage.

Found the LE director. Nice try. How about setting up a game btw BBL and LE see how that goes.

Leading Edge will catch up to and probably surpass BBL next season. They always add a bunch of players and grab a handful of reclasses. BBL is still a good club but when they get to high school they fall off a bit. The current BBL high school teams used to beat up on LE at the youth level. Now its the other way around. Same thing is likely to happen here. If the 2024s played today though, I'd say BBL wins by 2-3 goals.

Your credibility is suspect LE dad. No-one from BBL 24s would join a B level LE team. Proof will be after BBLs tryout is done and core players stay. What's the draw anyway, NLF? please. It's been watered down and lost its appeal and LE is never competitive in it. By the way, BBL wins by 15-18 goals easy with half their players missing.

Ha ha. You're obviously a BBL player or dad holding on to the dream and has no idea of the bigger picture. Just wait and see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no love for bbl, but with all of this COVID going on, I just gotta say that no team is at the top of their game. Just saying, no spring season, and not being allowed to have real practices until July (varying by location) with some teams following the rules and others not. This whole summer season is meaningless.

Not sure if it's ture but heard a number of the top BBL 2024 are trying out for Leading Edge. BBL having a hard time putting kids in collage.

Found the LE director. Nice try. How about setting up a game btw BBL and LE see how that goes.

Leading Edge will catch up to and probably surpass BBL next season. They always add a bunch of players and grab a handful of reclasses. BBL is still a good club but when they get to high school they fall off a bit. The current BBL high school teams used to beat up on LE at the youth level. Now its the other way around. Same thing is likely to happen here. If the 2024s played today though, I'd say BBL wins by 2-3 goals.

Your credibility is suspect LE dad. No-one from BBL 24s would join a B level LE team. Proof will be after BBLs tryout is done and core players stay. What's the draw anyway, NLF? please. It's been watered down and lost its appeal and LE is never competitive in it. By the way, BBL wins by 15-18 goals easy with half their players missing.

Ha ha. You're obviously a BBL player or dad holding on to the dream and has no idea of the bigger picture. Just wait and see.

Really? And you have it figured out have you. you know the secret to life and see the big picture. You're a joke. Good luck with your son making the cut at Leading edge this year. he always have Bloomfield College to look forward to.

I know COVID is tough on these clubs' business but Leading Edge marketing dept hocking their wares in this board is a bit dooshy.

Leading Edge will catch up to and probably surpass BBL next season. They always add a bunch of players and grab a handful of reclasses. BBL is still a good club but when they get to high school they fall off a bit. The current BBL high school teams used to beat up on LE at the youth level. Now its the other way around. Same thing is likely to happen here. If the 2024s played today though, I'd say BBL wins by 2-3 goals.[/quote]
Your credibility is suspect LE dad. No-one from BBL 24s would join a B level LE team. Proof will be after BBLs tryout is done and core players stay. What's the draw anyway, NLF? please. It's been watered down and lost its appeal and LE is never competitive in it. By the way, BBL wins by 15-18 goals easy with half their players missing.[/quote]

Ha ha. You're obviously a BBL player or dad holding on to the dream and has no idea of the bigger picture. Just wait and see.[/quote]

Really? And you have it figured out have you. you know the secret to life and see the big picture. You're a joke. Good luck with your son making the cut at Leading edge this year. he always have Bloomfield College to look forward to.[/quote]

This debate happens every year, and in the past, had some merit, but I think that the LE 2023 team is perfect example that the grass is not always greener. Sure they play a tough schedule, but the mounting losses are clearly affecting the players and parents.Much like other legacy programs in NJ, LE just assumes that the kids will show up on their doorstep, not so much anymore. There are other clubs in NJ doing a great job developing players. My son plays for another NJ club, but there is little question about the respect that the BBL program has in the club lacrosse community.

I could be wrong but it's my understanding not one BBL 2024 player tried out for LE for next summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I could be wrong but it's my understanding not one BBL 2024 player tried out for LE for next summer.

I think you just drove that LE dad to depression. He knows reality will hit him soon. He sadly thinks things stay the same forever and choices do no exist. I hope he learns to simply enjoy his son play the game irregardless of the uniform he wears.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I could be wrong but it's my understanding not one BBL 2024 player tried out for LE for next summer.

I think you just drove that LE dad to depression. He knows reality will hit him soon. He sadly thinks things stay the same forever and choices do no exist. I hope he learns to simply enjoy his son play the game irregardless of the uniform he wears.

"Irregardless" is not a word. How about you hit the books in high school before you make yourself look even more notIntelligent. Or is it "stupider"?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no love for bbl, but with all of this COVID going on, I just gotta say that no team is at the top of their game. Just saying, no spring season, and not being allowed to have real practices until July (varying by location) with some teams following the rules and others not. This whole summer season is meaningless.

Not sure if it's ture but heard a number of the top BBL 2024 are trying out for Leading Edge. BBL having a hard time putting kids in collage.

Found the LE director. Nice try. How about setting up a game btw BBL and LE see how that goes.

Leading Edge will catch up to and probably surpass BBL next season. They always add a bunch of players and grab a handful of reclasses. BBL is still a good club but when they get to high school they fall off a bit. The current BBL high school teams used to beat up on LE at the youth level. Now its the other way around. Same thing is likely to happen here. If the 2024s played today though, I'd say BBL wins by 2-3 goals.

Your credibility is suspect LE dad. No-one from BBL 24s would join a B level LE team. Proof will be after BBLs tryout is done and core players stay. What's the draw anyway, NLF? please. It's been watered down and lost its appeal and LE is never competitive in it. By the way, BBL wins by 15-18 goals easy with half their players missing.

Same thing said for 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 BBL teams. 2024 will be no different.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no love for bbl, but with all of this COVID going on, I just gotta say that no team is at the top of their game. Just saying, no spring season, and not being allowed to have real practices until July (varying by location) with some teams following the rules and others not. This whole summer season is meaningless.

Not sure if it's ture but heard a number of the top BBL 2024 are trying out for Leading Edge. BBL having a hard time putting kids in collage.

Found the LE director. Nice try. How about setting up a game btw BBL and LE see how that goes.

Leading Edge will catch up to and probably surpass BBL next season. They always add a bunch of players and grab a handful of reclasses. BBL is still a good club but when they get to high school they fall off a bit. The current BBL high school teams used to beat up on LE at the youth level. Now its the other way around. Same thing is likely to happen here. If the 2024s played today though, I'd say BBL wins by 2-3 goals.

Your credibility is suspect LE dad. No-one from BBL 24s would join a B level LE team. Proof will be after BBLs tryout is done and core players stay. What's the draw anyway, NLF? please. It's been watered down and lost its appeal and LE is never competitive in it. By the way, BBL wins by 15-18 goals easy with half their players missing.

Same thing said for 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 BBL teams. 2024 will be no different.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn. What happened to BBL 2024 Black yesterday? Got spanked by Madlax and Looneys. Oh yes and get this, Primetime beat Madlax so BBL can't complain about all the Maryland holdbacks. BBL ended the day at the bottom of the bracket, a far cry from being ranked #2 in the country. It will be interesting to see what happens to this team next year.

BBL just did not play as well as they normally do this past weekend. It happens. With exception of Madlax, they have beaten every team they lost to more than once, including the team that won it. It was also the hardest three game bracket in the entire 2024 age bracket anywhere! When you are not playing at your best its a real tall task against teams like these especially when you are missing two key players. And genuine props to Primetime who beat Madlax with same exact team that went to World Series (no holdbacks). Madlax is fun team to watch if you have not seen them. In fact all these teams are fun to watch and if you not on your game they will make you pay!

It will be interesting to see what happens to this team. AH better start handing out some free rides to keep franchise players from defecting.

Really? Deflecting to where and why? Because they lost some games against some of the top teams in one of the best tournaments? If parents and players leave because of that not sure they are the type you want. You still mad you dont have a spot on the team? Youre def not the type a program wants.

You sound awfully scared and concerned.

Tryouts will be interesting at the 2024, 2025 & 2026 levels. A lot of movement.

You are a stunad incorrect grammar [ChillLaxin]

Please google irregardless and report back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are a stunad incorrect grammar [ChillLaxin]

Please google irregardless and report back.

LE dad (just you, not all), Ill say this one last time. The cavalry is not coming. You will wallow in failure next year at NLF and get blown out each outing. Surprise to win a single game. Cause that's what counts right? you have it all figured out. Go ahead and preach your scary knowledge, wisdom and goole search talent about the secret to success in life while you pace up and down the sidelines in your 2 sizes too big cargo shorts. It's a good look for you, a clown.

Please google irregardless and report back.[/quote]

LE dad (just you, not all), Ill say this one last time. The cavalry is not coming. You will wallow in failure next year at NLF and get blown out each outing. Surprise to win a single game. Cause that's what counts right? you have it all figured out. Go ahead and preach your scary knowledge, wisdom and goole search talent about the secret to success in life while you pace up and down the sidelines in your 2 sizes too big cargo shorts. It's a good look for you, a clown

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please google irregardless and report back.

LE dad (just you, not all), Ill say this one last time. The cavalry is not coming. You will wallow in failure next year at NLF and get blown out each outing. Surprise to win a single game. Cause that's what counts right? you have it all figured out. Go ahead and preach your scary knowledge, wisdom and goole search talent about the secret to success in life while you pace up and down the sidelines in your 2 sizes too big cargo shorts. It's a good look for you, a clown.

BBL 2024 Black Parents. Please stay where you are. You are in a great place with amazing people. Feel the love.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are a stunad incorrect grammar [ChillLaxin]

Please google irregardless and report back.

LE dad (just you, not all), Ill say this one last time. The cavalry is not coming. You will wallow in failure next year at NLF and get blown out each outing. Surprise to win a single game. Cause that's what counts right? you have it all figured out. Go ahead and preach your scary knowledge, wisdom and goole search talent about the secret to success in life while you pace up and down the sidelines in your 2 sizes too big cargo shorts. It's a good look for you, a clown.

Nope, no go have mommy carry your bag for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are a stunad incorrect grammar [ChillLaxin]

Please google irregardless and report back.

LE dad (just you, not all), Ill say this one last time. The cavalry is not coming. You will wallow in failure next year at NLF and get blown out each outing. Surprise to win a single game. Cause that's what counts right? you have it all figured out. Go ahead and preach your scary knowledge, wisdom and goole search talent about the secret to success in life while you pace up and down the sidelines in your 2 sizes too big cargo shorts. It's a good look for you, a clown.

Nope, no go have mommy carry your bag for you.

"no go have" --- now you may want to use your google search prowess to figure out this is non-sense babble. fool. buh-bye. see you next summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are a stunad incorrect grammar [ChillLaxin]

Please google irregardless and report back.

LE dad (just you, not all), Ill say this one last time. The cavalry is not coming. You will wallow in failure next year at NLF and get blown out each outing. Surprise to win a single game. Cause that's what counts right? you have it all figured out. Go ahead and preach your scary knowledge, wisdom and goole search talent about the secret to success in life while you pace up and down the sidelines in your 2 sizes too big cargo shorts. It's a good look for you, a clown.

Nope, no go have mommy carry your bag for you.

"no go have" --- now you may want to use your google search prowess to figure out this is non-sense babble. fool. buh-bye. see you next summer.

I've got no dog in this fight but let look at the data!

D1 Recruits
2020 BBL 10 LE 14 (Level of D1 schools big advantage to LE)
2021 BBL 6 LE 12

Ranks - they are notIntelligent but lets use them for this aurgment.
Teams in Perseason Rankings
BBL - 4
LE - 3
BBL - only 1 High School team... LE zero middel school

This shows that LE needs to do a better job with their yough programs, but does nice rjob in player development and putting kids in collage. BBL on the other hand has a nice pipeline of talent but doesn't look to do much in the area of players development and getting kids in collage.

Bottomline - love all the fighting but don't forget about the boys in South Jersey and the Shore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are a stunad incorrect grammar [ChillLaxin]

Please google irregardless and report back.

LE dad (just you, not all), Ill say this one last time. The cavalry is not coming. You will wallow in failure next year at NLF and get blown out each outing. Surprise to win a single game. Cause that's what counts right? you have it all figured out. Go ahead and preach your scary knowledge, wisdom and goole search talent about the secret to success in life while you pace up and down the sidelines in your 2 sizes too big cargo shorts. It's a good look for you, a clown.

Nope, no go have mommy carry your bag for you.

"no go have" --- now you may want to use your google search prowess to figure out this is non-sense babble. fool. buh-bye. see you next summer.

You: Mommy, can you get me my water and carry my bag? It's too heavy. Wah, wah.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are a stunad incorrect grammar [ChillLaxin]

Please google irregardless and report back.

LE dad (just you, not all), Ill say this one last time. The cavalry is not coming. You will wallow in failure next year at NLF and get blown out each outing. Surprise to win a single game. Cause that's what counts right? you have it all figured out. Go ahead and preach your scary knowledge, wisdom and goole search talent about the secret to success in life while you pace up and down the sidelines in your 2 sizes too big cargo shorts. It's a good look for you, a clown.

Nope, no go have mommy carry your bag for you.

"no go have" --- now you may want to use your google search prowess to figure out this is non-sense babble. fool. buh-bye. see you next summer.

I've got no dog in this fight but let look at the data!

D1 Recruits
2020 BBL 10 LE 14 (Level of D1 schools big advantage to LE)
2021 BBL 6 LE 12

Ranks - they are notIntelligent but lets use them for this aurgment.
Teams in Perseason Rankings
BBL - 4
LE - 3
BBL - only 1 High School team... LE zero middel school

This shows that LE needs to do a better job with their yough programs, but does nice rjob in player development and putting kids in collage. BBL on the other hand has a nice pipeline of talent but doesn't look to do much in the area of players development and getting kids in collage.

Bottomline - love all the fighting but don't forget about the boys in South Jersey and the Shore.

We don't forget about the boys in South Jersey and shore. We recently played Southshore in a play day last week in Wall Twshp. Solid team and the parents were all cool. Come to think of it, all the teams there that day were all cool.

BBL. Just sent out a deceptive email.

"Kylie Ohmiller Camp at BBL HQ This Week"

Yeah - but it's not a BBL camp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL. Just sent out a deceptive email.

"Kylie Ohmiller Camp at BBL HQ This Week"

Yeah - but it's not a BBL camp.

Is the facility even owned by BBL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL. Just sent out a deceptive email.

"Kylie Ohmiller Camp at BBL HQ This Week"

Yeah - but it's not a BBL camp.

Is the facility even owned by BBL?

Nope. They just like to run around and say it is.

Does anyone know if the Mad Dog 2024 team is folding? Apparently the kids on the team have been trying out a various teams across the state. I heard a few of their better players are leaning towards Blue Star and some of the other kids are going to Garden State Lacrosse????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are a stunad incorrect grammar [ChillLaxin]

Please google irregardless and report back.

LE dad (just you, not all), Ill say this one last time. The cavalry is not coming. You will wallow in failure next year at NLF and get blown out each outing. Surprise to win a single game. Cause that's what counts right? you have it all figured out. Go ahead and preach your scary knowledge, wisdom and goole search talent about the secret to success in life while you pace up and down the sidelines in your 2 sizes too big cargo shorts. It's a good look for you, a clown.

Nope, no go have mommy carry your bag for you.

"no go have" --- now you may want to use your google search prowess to figure out this is non-sense babble. fool. buh-bye. see you next summer.

You: Mommy, can you get me my water and carry my bag? It's too heavy. Wah, wah.

Glad to see that The Real Housewives of New Jersey Lacrosse are back at it. Girls keep it up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if the Mad Dog 2024 team is folding? Apparently the kids on the team have been trying out a various teams across the state. I heard a few of their better players are leaning towards Blue Star and some of the other kids are going to Garden State Lacrosse????

No skin in the game, but I would not be surprised, a lot of shore area kids have been gravitating towards Blue Star, not sure about garden state.

Their 2025 team is pretty good but going to fall apart just like the teams before them. The 2024 team is not that good. I saw them play and although they won they were playing what looked like recreation teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Their 2025 team is pretty good but going to fall apart just like the teams before them. The 2024 team is not that good. I saw them play and although they won they were playing what looked like recreation teams.

How do we know if their 2025 team is any good, did they play any games this summer? Parents can't be happy paying all the money for pratices. RFH players moving to Blue Star!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Their 2025 team is pretty good but going to fall apart just like the teams before them. The 2024 team is not that good. I saw them play and although they won they were playing what looked like recreation teams.

How do we know if their 2025 team is any good, did they play any games this summer? Parents can't be happy paying all the money for pratices. RFH players moving to Blue Star!

Played yesterday, almost lost to 02 and lost to Shore2Shore. Bulldogs out!

What clubs do a good job developing players? Does BBL do a good job with the Helix (B) team too?

I think it comes down to who is coach vs. the club imo

And playing the right competition at a young age. Too easy makes for bad habits, too hard can be hard. But I will take a good game and a L over a big win, because then my kid is at least learning.

I do wish there was standard LAX flighting similar to soccer as each tournament seems to be different and sooo many clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What clubs do a good job developing players? Does BBL do a good job with the Helix (B) team too?

I think it comes down to who is coach vs. the club imo

And playing the right competition at a young age. Too easy makes for bad habits, too hard can be hard. But I will take a good game and a L over a big win, because then my kid is at least learning.

I do wish there was standard LAX flighting similar to soccer as each tournament seems to be different and sooo many clubs.

BBL and Bluestar have the most options from a developmental perspective, they have teams to fit many skill levels.

Any turth to Mad Dog 2025 team breaking up? Rummor parents are contacting NJLC to take the entire team after their coach got sacked

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any turth to Mad Dog 2025 team breaking up? Rummor parents are contacting NJLC to take the entire team after their coach got sacked

Why NJLC, geography?....If it is a matter of convenience, they would be better off bringing a team to United. If the team is good enough, United will put them in good tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any turth to Mad Dog 2025 team breaking up? Rummor parents are contacting NJLC to take the entire team after their coach got sacked

Why NJLC, geography?....If it is a matter of convenience, they would be better off bringing a team to United. If the team is good enough, United will put them in good tournaments.

Its ture but the dad trying to move some of the players should get asked to leave the team after his behavior this weekend. Alcohol and youth sports don't mix.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any turth to Mad Dog 2025 team breaking up? Rummor parents are contacting NJLC to take the entire team after their coach got sacked

Why NJLC, geography?....If it is a matter of convenience, they would be better off bringing a team to United. If the team is good enough, United will put them in good tournaments.

Its ture but the dad trying to move some of the players should get asked to leave the team after his behavior this weekend. Alcohol and youth sports don't mix.

That's very unfortunate, sorry for the boys and parents that have to deal with that kind of situation.

Lots of talk about the HS teams, but what are the best 2025 and 2026 NJ teams out there (7th and 8th grade).

2025 - Tri-state, Mad Dog, BBL Black and Jersey Express (formerly Tribal)
2026 - BBL Black, Jersey Express, and United

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2025 - Tri-state, Mad Dog, BBL Black and Jersey Express (formerly Tribal)
2026 - BBL Black, Jersey Express, and United

United lost a bunch of games last weekend. Not sure why they would be a top team?

Jersey Express. (Tribal) i believe the express program will help South Jersey Lacrosse. The program Tribal merged with Mike CoachC and Express program, he will have his finger prints all over the jersey program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2025 - Tri-state, Mad Dog, BBL Black and Jersey Express (formerly Tribal)
2026 - BBL Black, Jersey Express, and United

United lost a bunch of games last weekend. Not sure why they would be a top team?

Was this listed made someone at BBL or Tribal?
Alot of 2025 Mad Dog, BBL &Tri-State kids at Jersey Express and Leading Edge tryouts. I guess the NLF does mean something

Seems like a lot of kids at both the 2025 and 2026 level are leaving BBL this year.

At the 2026, lots of BBL players at various tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the 2026, lots of BBL players at various tryouts.

Leading Edge making a push down to build teams before they get to 8th grade

NJ 2026 best team is Towermen.... not even a question

Towermen is likely getting better. They are getting several players including an attackman, a goalie and others from BBL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the 2026, lots of BBL players at various tryouts.

Leading Edge making a push down to build teams before they get to 8th grade

Why is this any different than other years, they just cannot seem to draw the younger kids. Perhaps parents would rather stick with local programs, less travel for practices, etc. before committing to LE. The other problem is that many are turned off by the fact that LE does not show a ton of loyalty when the teams hit high school. LE has had some great high school teams over the years, but they have had a lot of trouble recently competing with the other NLF programs, many of those NLF teams know how to play the re-class game very well. Go to any large tournament and look at the players that teams like the Crabs are putting on the field in high school. While most teams have two or three big kids, these big MD programs have the size and height across the whole roster, not to mention the guest players that tend to show up. As for kids going to several tryouts, this is exactly what parents should do if they are not happy with their current product, but the grass is not always greener on a big name teams.

L.E. does get some kids recruited. But why play there when younger unless there is some loyalty to current players. Good players can just play locally or for some other club and then if LE is good and they are good move over there in HS. I do not think LE is the only program without loyalty to current players, but it is a bad reputation for a team to have.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

L.E. does get some kids recruited. But why play there when younger unless there is some loyalty to current players. Good players can just play locally or for some other club and then if LE is good and they are good move over there in HS. I do not think LE is the only program without loyalty to current players, but it is a bad reputation for a team to have.

Amazing when people actually agree on these forums...and I do agree that LE is not the only club with loyalty issues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

L.E. does get some kids recruited. But why play there when younger unless there is some loyalty to current players. Good players can just play locally or for some other club and then if LE is good and they are good move over there in HS. I do not think LE is the only program without loyalty to current players, but it is a bad reputation for a team to have.

Amazing when people actually agree on these forums...and I do agree that LE is not the only club with loyalty issues.

Now that LE had their '24 callback yesterday, how many current players will get pushed out on a drop of a hat. Imagine how those families feel being discarded like used snot rag. LE does not develop youth players. They simply expect top players to join them in HS and act all arrogant about it. I'm rooting for their system to fail starting now. I'm confident they will fail. I can't wait to post back here how that team do against other Jersey teams where they will fail. I will bet they will not be close to being the top team in NJ. Forget NLF where they will be canon fodder. TLDR;LE <- Fail

I think everyone is missing the boat when it comes to 2026. Without a doubt it is a one player team but Tigers 26 has to be considered the best team in NJ. I saw them play several times this summer and they are the real deal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think everyone is missing the boat when it comes to 2026. Without a doubt it is a one player team but Tigers 26 has to be considered the best team in NJ. I saw them play several times this summer and they are the real deal.

Tigers 26 are based in PA.

Patriot Chrome and Steps also good 2026 teams. Both teams also offered spots to current players this year because of COVID as a thank you for sticking with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

L.E. does get some kids recruited. But why play there when younger unless there is some loyalty to current players. Good players can just play locally or for some other club and then if LE is good and they are good move over there in HS. I do not think LE is the only program without loyalty to current players, but it is a bad reputation for a team to have.

Amazing when people actually agree on these forums...and I do agree that LE is not the only club with loyalty issues.

Now that LE had their '24 callback yesterday, how many current players will get pushed out on a drop of a hat. Imagine how those families feel being discarded like used snot rag. LE does not develop youth players. They simply expect top players to join them in HS and act all arrogant about it. I'm rooting for their system to fail starting now. I'm confident they will fail. I can't wait to post back here how that team do against other Jersey teams where they will fail. I will bet they will not be close to being the top team in NJ. Forget NLF where they will be canon fodder. TLDR;LE <- Fail

The callback is total BS, nothing but a money grab. They already know the kids that they want, but have the callback to get another $70 out of the parents.

Really bad job out of Patriot. Should have told people that the rosters were set from the prior year. A lot of new players showed up to the tryout (about 40 kids), paid a tryout fee to only learn after the fact that the teams were basically set. Don't tell your team that the team is set but keep that a secret from the people you are hitting up up for a tryout fee. Be honest and say we only have a few open spots and that tryouts will therefore be limited.

Does anyone know when LE tryout results are to be announced.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know when LE tryout results are to be announced.

Probably pretty quick because they already know who is making the team. A few years back, they used to start eliminating kids at the callback. For what its worth, I know a lot of people that, in hindsight, are happy that their kids didn't make the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know when LE tryout results are to be announced.

Probably pretty quick because they already know who is making the team. A few years back, they used to start eliminating kids at the callback. For what its worth, I know a lot of people that, in hindsight, are happy that their kids didn't make the team.

Their model is not sustainable. You can't rely on gullible families year after year. Word gets out. Especially with social media and forums like this. Eventually the scam is exposed. The collapse begins with this incoming freshmen team. I know the players they wanted did not come even when they held a callback as last chance. They will be surpassed by other NJ clubs in HS. I'll come back here to remind you.

That's because their tryout is late and kids are trying out as a "back-up".
Most of the people I know at BBL (both teams) are happy with everything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really bad job out of Patriot. Should have told people that the rosters were set from the prior year. A lot of new players showed up to the tryout (about 40 kids), paid a tryout fee to only learn after the fact that the teams were basically set. Don't tell your team that the team is set but keep that a secret from the people you are hitting up up for a tryout fee. Be honest and say we only have a few open spots and that tryouts will therefore be limited.

Not true. Teams not set as kids leave to go to other teams or are just done with summer lacrosse so they need to fill spots.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know when LE tryout results are to be announced.

Probably pretty quick because they already know who is making the team. A few years back, they used to start eliminating kids at the callback. For what its worth, I know a lot of people that, in hindsight, are happy that their kids didn't make the team.

Their model is not sustainable. You can't rely on gullible families year after year. Word gets out. Especially with social media and forums like this. Eventually the scam is exposed. The collapse begins with this incoming freshmen team. I know the players they wanted did not come even when they held a callback as last chance. They will be surpassed by other NJ clubs in HS. I'll come back here to remind you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know when LE tryout results are to be announced.

Probably pretty quick because they already know who is making the team. A few years back, they used to start eliminating kids at the callback. For what its worth, I know a lot of people that, in hindsight, are happy that their kids didn't make the team.

Their model is not sustainable. You can't rely on gullible families year after year. Word gets out. Especially with social media and forums like this. Eventually the scam is exposed. The collapse begins with this incoming freshmen team. I know the players they wanted did not come even when they held a callback as last chance. They will be surpassed by other NJ clubs in HS. I'll come back here to remind you.

Why the detest? Did you get cut? You're really going to come back here and taunt people a year or 2 from now? That's pretty telling. Move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the 2026, lots of BBL players at various tryouts.

Kids should be trying out at multiple clubs, too many waste the chance to compare clubs and get disappointed when they lose there spot at current clubs or move down. Doing other tryouts doesnt mean a player wants to leave current it may mean they are testing waters elsewhere. The older a player gets the more critical this becomes, playing time is more important than the club in most cases. You cant improve if your not playing much. maybe you kid is a good LSM but the one in front of him is better, go find a club that needs your kid at LSM. Few rotations in a game is no fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really bad job out of Patriot. Should have told people that the rosters were set from the prior year. A lot of new players showed up to the tryout (about 40 kids), paid a tryout fee to only learn after the fact that the teams were basically set. Don't tell your team that the team is set but keep that a secret from the people you are hitting up up for a tryout fee. Be honest and say we only have a few open spots and that tryouts will therefore be limited.

Not true. Teams not set as kids leave to go to other teams or are just done with summer lacrosse so they need to fill spots.

No team is "set"...if the right kid comes along, they are going to offer him a spot....there is also something to be said about being loyal to your current players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]L.E. does get some kids recruited. But why play there when younger unless there is some loyalty to current players. Good players can just play locally or for some other club and then if LE is good and they are good move over there in HS. I do not think LE is the only program without loyalty to current players, but it is a bad reputation for a team to have.

Amazing when people actually agree on these forums...and I do agree that LE is not the only club with loyalty issues.

Now that LE had their '24 callback yesterday, how many current players will get pushed out on a drop of a hat. Imagine how those families feel being discarded like used snot rag. LE does not develop youth players. They simply expect top players to join them in HS and act all arrogant about it. I'm rooting for their system to fail starting now. I'm confident they will fail. I can't wait to post back here how that team do against other Jersey teams where they will fail. I will bet they will not be close to being the top team in NJ. Forget NLF where they will be canon fodder. TLDR;LE <- Fail

The callback is total BS, nothing but a money grab. They already know the kids that they want, but have the callback to get another $70 out of the parents.[/quote

Tryout fees in general are a money grab, $6-, $70, $80 for 2 hour tryout is crazy. 80-100 kids for a field rental and 3 dollar pinney means clubs get an extra payday. its the biggest scam around and this is beyond the 3500 fee for the year. We are all suckers, just admit it.

I agree. They still had spots just offered current players because of Covid year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the 2026, lots of BBL players at various tryouts.

Kids should be trying out at multiple clubs, too many waste the chance to compare clubs and get disappointed when they lose there spot at current clubs or move down. Doing other tryouts doesnt mean a player wants to leave current it may mean they are testing waters elsewhere. The older a player gets the more critical this becomes, playing time is more important than the club in most cases. You cant improve if your not playing much. maybe you kid is a good LSM but the one in front of him is better, go find a club that needs your kid at LSM. Few rotations in a game is no fun.

This guy gets it. No shame in trying out other clubs even if the intent is not to leave the team. Club directors should never hold it against anyone. I say this bec this is not the case all of the time. And that's a shame.

Agree 100%. Loyalty to prior players should be rewarded in all years, but especially in the Covid year. I see nothing wrong with filling your team with players from last year and then conducting tryouts to replace kids who left the program this year.

Did Leading Edge cut most of their 2024 team.

Bbl 2026 do you think they will add players?
I heard both teams played well, so I don’t know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Leading Edge cut most of their 2024 team.

No.. should only add new parts but I'm sure a number of kids will get cut.

How many showed up at 2024 tryout? Did results come out yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many showed up at 2024 tryout? Did results come out yet?

If they get them all they added some very good players. At least 3 that were invited to Showtime.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

L.E. does get some kids recruited. But why play there when younger unless there is some loyalty to current players. Good players can just play locally or for some other club and then if LE is good and they are good move over there in HS. I do not think LE is the only program without loyalty to current players, but it is a bad reputation for a team to have.

Amazing when people actually agree on these forums...and I do agree that LE is not the only club with loyalty issues.

Now that LE had their '24 callback yesterday, how many current players will get pushed out on a drop of a hat. Imagine how those families feel being discarded like used snot rag. LE does not develop youth players. They simply expect top players to join them in HS and act all arrogant about it. I'm rooting for their system to fail starting now. I'm confident they will fail. I can't wait to post back here how that team do against other Jersey teams where they will fail. I will bet they will not be close to being the top team in NJ. Forget NLF where they will be canon fodder. TLDR;LE <- Fail

What happend to up or out? I get it if a kid hasn't developed physically. If a kid doen't hit the gym or pick up their stick outside of LE why should the kid that does be requied to play with the kid becuase of some loyalty? Before you post about loyalty maybe you should speak to the kids that are working hard and see if they still want thoese kids on their team. My guess they don't.
You keep telling your son that loyalty means more than hard work, i'm sure just like your dad you can get him a job too.

What is showtime? Did they cut alot of the 2024 LE kids? Is this fun during a COVID year. Ha ha

Heard that BBL lost several players so they will be looking to replace players. They may be hurt by being the last tryout.

FAKE NEWS! None of the top players are leaving BBL.

IMO. It is a joke that any club cut players during Covid. Anyone who wanted to play in 2020-2021 should be given preference over those kids who are moving. No spring season and truncated summer season. If you were good enough for 19-20, they should be permitted to stay on club. Hats off to those teams who keep their 19-20 roster for 20-21.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that BBL lost several players so they will be looking to replace players. They may be hurt by being the last tryout.

BBL tryouts this week. Let me put it on record and come back here when all NJ club teams are set and they get to play each other (let's hope Covid doesn't get worse): For 2024, BBL Black will remain the best team in NJ by a mile. If your club disagrees, ask your director to setup a game with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that BBL lost several players so they will be looking to replace players. They may be hurt by being the last tryout.

BBL tryouts this week. Let me put it on record and come back here when all NJ club teams are set and they get to play each other (let's hope Covid doesn't get worse): For 2024, BBL Black will remain the best team in NJ by a mile. If your club disagrees, ask your director to setup a game with them.

You should be the top team, you don't charge your best players to play. I heard they even give gass money to the kids driving up from the shore? Mom is making money playing for BBL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that BBL lost several players so they will be looking to replace players. They may be hurt by being the last tryout.

BBL tryouts this week. Let me put it on record and come back here when all NJ club teams are set and they get to play each other (let's hope Covid doesn't get worse): For 2024, BBL Black will remain the best team in NJ by a mile. If your club disagrees, ask your director to setup a game with them.

BBL 2026 also clearly the best in Jersey...not even anyone close.

The core players are sticking together. To remind you, this team is ranked #2 in the world at World Series. Need any more proof?

2. BBL Elite (N.J.)
After finishing second in the WSYL East Qualifier, BBL Elite looked to prove they were indeed a title contender and one of the top programs in the world. BBL went on an incredible run, finishing 5-0 in pool play and routing No. 8 Evolve Elite Ontario 16-3 in the Quarterfinals. BBL Elite eventually fell to Team 91 Wolfpack in the Semifinals in what would be Team 91’s narrowest margin of victory in the entire Championship Series (8-5). BBL proved to be an offensive force throughout the event, scoring a combined 90 goals in seven games. BBL was led by WSYL scoring leading Cody Lam, who tallied 25 goals and four assists. He also had the help of his two other attackmen Daniel Dalessandro (15G, 6A) and Christian Schweiger (9G, 17A). Previous Rank: 7

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that BBL lost several players so they will be looking to replace players. They may be hurt by being the last tryout.

BBL tryouts this week. Let me put it on record and come back here when all NJ club teams are set and they get to play each other (let's hope Covid doesn't get worse): For 2024, BBL Black will remain the best team in NJ by a mile. If your club disagrees, ask your director to setup a game with them.

BBL 2026 also clearly the best in Jersey...not even anyone close.

Didn't BBL 2026 lose to both Towermen and Tribal two weeks ago. While they may be the best club, hard to claim that no other 2026 teams are "even close" to BBL when they lost to two Jersey teams ten days ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

L.E. does get some kids recruited. But why play there when younger unless there is some loyalty to current players. Good players can just play locally or for some other club and then if LE is good and they are good move over there in HS. I do not think LE is the only program without loyalty to current players, but it is a bad reputation for a team to have.

Amazing when people actually agree on these forums...and I do agree that LE is not the only club with loyalty issues.

Now that LE had their '24 callback yesterday, how many current players will get pushed out on a drop of a hat. Imagine how those families feel being discarded like used snot rag. LE does not develop youth players. They simply expect top players to join them in HS and act all arrogant about it. I'm rooting for their system to fail starting now. I'm confident they will fail. I can't wait to post back here how that team do against other Jersey teams where they will fail. I will bet they will not be close to being the top team in NJ. Forget NLF where they will be canon fodder. TLDR;LE <- Fail

What happend to up or out? I get it if a kid hasn't developed physically. If a kid doen't hit the gym or pick up their stick outside of LE why should the kid that does be requied to play with the kid becuase of some loyalty? Before you post about loyalty maybe you should speak to the kids that are working hard and see if they still want thoese kids on their team. My guess they don't.
You keep telling your son that loyalty means more than hard work, i'm sure just like your dad you can get him a job too.

I think loyalty should play a factor when two players are close. If LE rates two kids as equal or the new player only marginally better than loyalty should play a factor and they keep the current player. If a current player rates much lower because they even have not kept up their skills or not developed those skills than cutting the current player in favor of a newer player makes more sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that BBL lost several players so they will be looking to replace players. They may be hurt by being the last tryout.

BBL tryouts this week. Let me put it on record and come back here when all NJ club teams are set and they get to play each other (let's hope Covid doesn't get worse): For 2024, BBL Black will remain the best team in NJ by a mile. If your club disagrees, ask your director to setup a game with them.

You should be the top team, you don't charge your best players to play. I heard they even give gass money to the kids driving up from the shore? Mom is making money playing for BBL

You wish. Tell your club's top 3 players to try out for the team even if they already committed to yours. Actually, you probably don't need to do that, they will probably be there today. They can always stop payment for their deposit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that BBL lost several players so they will be looking to replace players. They may be hurt by being the last tryout.

BBL tryouts this week. Let me put it on record and come back here when all NJ club teams are set and they get to play each other (let's hope Covid doesn't get worse): For 2024, BBL Black will remain the best team in NJ by a mile. If your club disagrees, ask your director to setup a game with them.

BBL 2026 also clearly the best in Jersey...not even anyone close.

I know we can get confused by the details of how sports work. So let me make this simple. Being the best in the state usually requires winning games against other top teams in the state.

Originally Posted by NJLaxer2020

What is showtime? Did they cut alot of the 2024 LE kids? Is this fun during a COVID year. Ha ha

What the heck is showtime? showtime for what?. It doesn't matter if the team is still non-competitive. You can call it whatever you want.

Towermen beat BBL Black 2026 a few weeks back. Not sure how that make BBL Black the best 2026 team by a wide margin as implied by that post.

I keep hearing good things about Towermen. Does anyone know much about them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that BBL lost several players so they will be looking to replace players. They may be hurt by being the last tryout.

BBL tryouts this week. Let me put it on record and come back here when all NJ club teams are set and they get to play each other (let's hope Covid doesn't get worse): For 2024, BBL Black will remain the best team in NJ by a mile. If your club disagrees, ask your director to setup a game with them.

BBL 2026 also clearly the best in Jersey...not even anyone close.

I know we can get confused by the details of how sports work. So let me make this simple. Being the best in the state usually requires winning games against other top teams in the state.

How about I make it even simpler. It's sustained excellence that matters. Not fly by night operations that come and go. BBL will show these teams what that means next time they play one another. Besides, BBL aims at national level. in-state is where they practice and experiment with their roster.

Originally Posted by NJLaxer2020

I keep hearing good things about Towermen. Does anyone know much about them?

It is a 2026 only team, originally out of Northern Bergen County. Now pulling kids from all over the state.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that BBL lost several players so they will be looking to replace players. They may be hurt by being the last tryout.

BBL tryouts this week. Let me put it on record and come back here when all NJ club teams are set and they get to play each other (let's hope Covid doesn't get worse): For 2024, BBL Black will remain the best team in NJ by a mile. If your club disagrees, ask your director to setup a game with them.

BBL 2026 also clearly the best in Jersey...not even anyone close.

I know we can get confused by the details of how sports work. So let me make this simple. Being the best in the state usually requires winning games against other top teams in the state.

How about I make it even simpler. It's sustained excellence that matters. Not fly by night operations that come and go. BBL will show these teams what that means next time they play one another. Besides, BBL aims at national level. in-state is where they practice and experiment with their roster.

Your originally claim was that "BBL 2026 is clearly the best in Jersey...not even anyone close." You then claim that sustained excellence matter and you will show these teams what that means next time they play each other. However, if you practice and experiment with your roster, fine. But if you are clearly the best and that no one is even close than you would win even if your experiment with your roster. Think Hawks in Maryland who dominate every game against Maryland opponents. Your then pathetic attempt to say sustained excellence matters, is nothing more than an attempt to change the topic from your baseless assertion to another baseless assertion that these other teams are fly by night operations, especially given that one of these teams has been around as long as BBL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that BBL lost several players so they will be looking to replace players. They may be hurt by being the last tryout.

BBL tryouts this week. Let me put it on record and come back here when all NJ club teams are set and they get to play each other (let's hope Covid doesn't get worse): For 2024, BBL Black will remain the best team in NJ by a mile. If your club disagrees, ask your director to setup a game with them.

BBL 2026 also clearly the best in Jersey...not even anyone close.

I know we can get confused by the details of how sports work. So let me make this simple. Being the best in the state usually requires winning games against other top teams in the state.

How about I make it even simpler. It's sustained excellence that matters. Not fly by night operations that come and go. BBL will show these teams what that means next time they play one another. Besides, BBL aims at national level. in-state is where they practice and experiment with their roster.

I guess with the exception of the 2023 team, they still have a tough time in NJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that BBL lost several players so they will be looking to replace players. They may be hurt by being the last tryout.

BBL tryouts this week. Let me put it on record and come back here when all NJ club teams are set and they get to play each other (let's hope Covid doesn't get worse): For 2024, BBL Black will remain the best team in NJ by a mile. If your club disagrees, ask your director to setup a game with them.

You should be the top team, you don't charge your best players to play. I heard they even give gass money to the kids driving up from the shore? Mom is making money playing for BBL

You wish. Tell your club's top 3 players to try out for the team even if they already committed to yours. Actually, you probably don't need to do that, they will probably be there today. They can always stop payment for their deposit.

I don't wish I know..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The core players are sticking together. To remind you, this team is ranked #2 in the world at World Series. Need any more proof?

2. BBL Elite (N.J.)
After finishing second in the WSYL East Qualifier, BBL Elite looked to prove they were indeed a title contender and one of the top programs in the world. BBL went on an incredible run, finishing 5-0 in pool play and routing No. 8 Evolve Elite Ontario 16-3 in the Quarterfinals. BBL Elite eventually fell to Team 91 Wolfpack in the Semifinals in what would be Team 91’s narrowest margin of victory in the entire Championship Series (8-5). BBL proved to be an offensive force throughout the event, scoring a combined 90 goals in seven games. BBL was led by WSYL scoring leading Cody Lam, who tallied 25 goals and four assists. He also had the help of his two other attackmen Daniel Dalessandro (15G, 6A) and Christian Schweiger (9G, 17A). Previous Rank: 7

That was a long time ago. It all changes in high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The core players are sticking together. To remind you, this team is ranked #2 in the world at World Series. Need any more proof?

2. BBL Elite (N.J.)
After finishing second in the WSYL East Qualifier, BBL Elite looked to prove they were indeed a title contender and one of the top programs in the world. BBL went on an incredible run, finishing 5-0 in pool play and routing No. 8 Evolve Elite Ontario 16-3 in the Quarterfinals. BBL Elite eventually fell to Team 91 Wolfpack in the Semifinals in what would be Team 91’s narrowest margin of victory in the entire Championship Series (8-5). BBL proved to be an offensive force throughout the event, scoring a combined 90 goals in seven games. BBL was led by WSYL scoring leading Cody Lam, who tallied 25 goals and four assists. He also had the help of his two other attackmen Daniel Dalessandro (15G, 6A) and Christian Schweiger (9G, 17A). Previous Rank: 7

That was a long time ago. It all changes in high school.

This has to be a kid on the BBL team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The core players are sticking together. To remind you, this team is ranked #2 in the world at World Series. Need any more proof?

2. BBL Elite (N.J.)
After finishing second in the WSYL East Qualifier, BBL Elite looked to prove they were indeed a title contender and one of the top programs in the world. BBL went on an incredible run, finishing 5-0 in pool play and routing No. 8 Evolve Elite Ontario 16-3 in the Quarterfinals. BBL Elite eventually fell to Team 91 Wolfpack in the Semifinals in what would be Team 91’s narrowest margin of victory in the entire Championship Series (8-5). BBL proved to be an offensive force throughout the event, scoring a combined 90 goals in seven games. BBL was led by WSYL scoring leading Cody Lam, who tallied 25 goals and four assists. He also had the help of his two other attackmen Daniel Dalessandro (15G, 6A) and Christian Schweiger (9G, 17A). Previous Rank: 7

That was a long time ago. It all changes in high school.

This has to be a kid on the BBL team.

Anybody that throws out WSYL rankings a year later is pathetic... 91 Bandits was the best 2023 team...look at how they have done since then, they revamped the team with some holdbacks and still get smacked in the NLF. The core will stick together until something better comes along, and if you think that there is nothing better out there, you are delusional..wait until a few kids go and "guest" play for another club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The core players are sticking together. To remind you, this team is ranked #2 in the world at World Series. Need any more proof?

2. BBL Elite (N.J.)
After finishing second in the WSYL East Qualifier, BBL Elite looked to prove they were indeed a title contender and one of the top programs in the world. BBL went on an incredible run, finishing 5-0 in pool play and routing No. 8 Evolve Elite Ontario 16-3 in the Quarterfinals. BBL Elite eventually fell to Team 91 Wolfpack in the Semifinals in what would be Team 91’s narrowest margin of victory in the entire Championship Series (8-5). BBL proved to be an offensive force throughout the event, scoring a combined 90 goals in seven games. BBL was led by WSYL scoring leading Cody Lam, who tallied 25 goals and four assists. He also had the help of his two other attackmen Daniel Dalessandro (15G, 6A) and Christian Schweiger (9G, 17A). Previous Rank: 7

That was a long time ago. It all changes in high school.

This has to be a kid on the BBL team.

Anybody that throws out WSYL rankings a year later is pathetic... 91 Bandits was the best 2023 team...look at how they have done since then, they revamped the team with some holdbacks and still get smacked in the NLF. The core will stick together until something better comes along, and if you think that there is nothing better out there, you are delusional..wait until a few kids go and "guest" play for another club.

So you're saying your club team will roll in NLF bec they were never ranked anywhere ever? I'll have my popcorn ready.

Are there BBL Black and Helix 2026 kids leaving?

Has anyone’s kid ever moved off an alternate or wait list. My son (young) is there, which is especially “fun” during a covid year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The core players are sticking together. To remind you, this team is ranked #2 in the world at World Series. Need any more proof?

2. BBL Elite (N.J.)
After finishing second in the WSYL East Qualifier, BBL Elite looked to prove they were indeed a title contender and one of the top programs in the world. BBL went on an incredible run, finishing 5-0 in pool play and routing No. 8 Evolve Elite Ontario 16-3 in the Quarterfinals. BBL Elite eventually fell to Team 91 Wolfpack in the Semifinals in what would be Team 91’s narrowest margin of victory in the entire Championship Series (8-5). BBL proved to be an offensive force throughout the event, scoring a combined 90 goals in seven games. BBL was led by WSYL scoring leading Cody Lam, who tallied 25 goals and four assists. He also had the help of his two other attackmen Daniel Dalessandro (15G, 6A) and Christian Schweiger (9G, 17A). Previous Rank: 7

That was a long time ago. It all changes in high school.

This has to be a kid on the BBL team.

Anybody that throws out WSYL rankings a year later is pathetic... 91 Bandits was the best 2023 team...look at how they have done since then, they revamped the team with some holdbacks and still get smacked in the NLF. The core will stick together until something better comes along, and if you think that there is nothing better out there, you are delusional..wait until a few kids go and "guest" play for another club.

So you're saying your club team will roll in NLF bec they were never ranked anywhere ever? I'll have my popcorn ready.

Not sure what you are saying, but clearly you are missing the point. WSYL rankings are meaningless and have no bearing on, the success of a team in the future, or whether a kid will stay or leave. Despite what a parent may tell you on the sideline, every parent is always evaluating whether there is a better opportunity out there for their kid. Bottom line is that I would not necessarily count on all of those kids sticking together forever, I assure you that some will leave.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The core players are sticking together. To remind you, this team is ranked #2 in the world at World Series. Need any more proof?

2. BBL Elite (N.J.)
After finishing second in the WSYL East Qualifier, BBL Elite looked to prove they were indeed a title contender and one of the top programs in the world. BBL went on an incredible run, finishing 5-0 in pool play and routing No. 8 Evolve Elite Ontario 16-3 in the Quarterfinals. BBL Elite eventually fell to Team 91 Wolfpack in the Semifinals in what would be Team 91’s narrowest margin of victory in the entire Championship Series (8-5). BBL proved to be an offensive force throughout the event, scoring a combined 90 goals in seven games. BBL was led by WSYL scoring leading Cody Lam, who tallied 25 goals and four assists. He also had the help of his two other attackmen Daniel Dalessandro (15G, 6A) and Christian Schweiger (9G, 17A). Previous Rank: 7

That was a long time ago. It all changes in high school.

This has to be a kid on the BBL team.

I hope it was a kid and not a parent or someone associated with the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there BBL Black and Helix 2026 kids leaving?

No one is leaving black. It is the best team in NJ. Helix is a B team, Those kids are the 20-40 best kids in that program, so maybe some of them will move on but not sure any of the elite teams would want them, so likely still best to stay with Helix as it provides more opportunities than a traditional B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The core players are sticking together. To remind you, this team is ranked #2 in the world at World Series. Need any more proof?

2. BBL Elite (N.J.)
After finishing second in the WSYL East Qualifier, BBL Elite looked to prove they were indeed a title contender and one of the top programs in the world. BBL went on an incredible run, finishing 5-0 in pool play and routing No. 8 Evolve Elite Ontario 16-3 in the Quarterfinals. BBL Elite eventually fell to Team 91 Wolfpack in the Semifinals in what would be Team 91’s narrowest margin of victory in the entire Championship Series (8-5). BBL proved to be an offensive force throughout the event, scoring a combined 90 goals in seven games. BBL was led by WSYL scoring leading Cody Lam, who tallied 25 goals and four assists. He also had the help of his two other attackmen Daniel Dalessandro (15G, 6A) and Christian Schweiger (9G, 17A). Previous Rank: 7

That was a long time ago. It all changes in high school.

This has to be a kid on the BBL team.

Anybody that throws out WSYL rankings a year later is pathetic... 91 Bandits was the best 2023 team...look at how they have done since then, they revamped the team with some holdbacks and still get smacked in the NLF. The core will stick together until something better comes along, and if you think that there is nothing better out there, you are delusional..wait until a few kids go and "guest" play for another club.

So you're saying your club team will roll in NLF bec they were never ranked anywhere ever? I'll have my popcorn ready.

Not sure what you are saying, but clearly you are missing the point. WSYL rankings are meaningless and have no bearing on, the success of a team in the future, or whether a kid will stay or leave. Despite what a parent may tell you on the sideline, every parent is always evaluating whether there is a better opportunity out there for their kid. Bottom line is that I would not necessarily count on all of those kids sticking together forever, I assure you that some will leave.

Ok let me explain it like you're five. You are saying rankings are totally meaningless. So a top ranked team playing your unranked (and will never crack any ranking) team should not matter and you have a shot. ok got it. Your narrative fits the level of your club team. For that, I don't blame you for keep telling yourself that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone’s kid ever moved off an alternate or wait list. My son (young) is there, which is especially “fun” during a covid year.

I have heard some kids being moved off. Usually it is because offers are made to kids who then say no and they move them off the wait list. However, there are lots of places to play, with more clubs starting every day, so your son, especially if he is young, should be able to find a place to play.

Mad Dog getting neutered, losing players again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there BBL Black and Helix 2026 kids leaving?

Three 2026 BBL players, an attack, a middie and a goalie left BBL for Towermen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there BBL Black and Helix 2026 kids leaving?

No one is leaving black. It is the best team in NJ. Helix is a B team, Those kids are the 20-40 best kids in that program, so maybe some of them will move on but not sure any of the elite teams would want them, so likely still best to stay with Helix as it provides more opportunities than a traditional B team.

No matter what the BBL parents say, kids are leaving BBL for other clubs, including Towermen, Leading Edge and others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there BBL Black and Helix 2026 kids leaving?

Three 2026 BBL players, an attack, a middie and a goalie left BBL for Towermen.

Really? Towermen seemed pretty set at attack and goalie this summer. Wonder where the departing Towermen attackmen and goalie went?

Anybody that throws out WSYL rankings a year later is pathetic... 91 Bandits was the best 2023 team...look at how they have done since then, they revamped the team with some holdbacks and still get smacked in the NLF. The core will stick together until something better comes along, and if you think that there is nothing better out there, you are delusional..wait until a few kids go and "guest" play for another club.[/quote]
So you're saying your club team will roll in NLF bec they were never ranked anywhere ever? I'll have my popcorn ready.[/quote]

Not sure what you are saying, but clearly you are missing the point. WSYL rankings are meaningless and have no bearing on, the success of a team in the future, or whether a kid will stay or leave. Despite what a parent may tell you on the sideline, every parent is always evaluating whether there is a better opportunity out there for their kid. Bottom line is that I would not necessarily count on all of those kids sticking together forever, I assure you that some will leave.[/quote]

Ok let me explain it like you're five. You are saying rankings are totally meaningless. So a top ranked team playing your unranked (and will never crack any ranking) team should not matter and you have a shot. ok got it. Your narrative fits the level of your club team. For that, I don't blame you for keep telling yourself that.[/quote]

Perhaps the five year-old can clear it up for you, rankings from the WSYL from over a year ago are meaningless, much like the WSYL and US Club lacrosse rankings in general. That being said, while flawed in their own right, at least the US Club lacrosse rankings show all teams as opposed to the WSYL created "on-age" teams. Perhaps if you stopped taking is personally, as if you were 14 and on the team, you would be able to understand all of this big kid talk.

Anybody that throws out WSYL rankings a year later is pathetic... 91 Bandits was the best 2023 team...look at how they have done since then, they revamped the team with some holdbacks and still get smacked in the NLF. The core will stick together until something better comes along, and if you think that there is nothing better out there, you are delusional..wait until a few kids go and "guest" play for another club.[/quote]
So you're saying your club team will roll in NLF bec they were never ranked anywhere ever? I'll have my popcorn ready.[/quote]

Not sure what you are saying, but clearly you are missing the point. WSYL rankings are meaningless and have no bearing on, the success of a team in the future, or whether a kid will stay or leave. Despite what a parent may tell you on the sideline, every parent is always evaluating whether there is a better opportunity out there for their kid. Bottom line is that I would not necessarily count on all of those kids sticking together forever, I assure you that some will leave.[/quote]

Ok let me explain it like you're five. You are saying rankings are totally meaningless. So a top ranked team playing your unranked (and will never crack any ranking) team should not matter and you have a shot. ok got it. Your narrative fits the level of your club team. For that, I don't blame you for keep telling yourself that.[/quote]

Yet, after all of that success, they were ranked 14 in US Club lacrosse pre-season rankings this year...much different when you put all the big clubs in the mix.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody that throws out WSYL rankings a year later is pathetic... 91 Bandits was the best 2023 team...look at how they have done since then, they revamped the team with some holdbacks and still get smacked in the NLF. The core will stick together until something better comes along, and if you think that there is nothing better out there, you are delusional..wait until a few kids go and "guest" play for another club.
So you're saying your club team will roll in NLF bec they were never ranked anywhere ever? I'll have my popcorn ready.

Not sure what you are saying, but clearly you are missing the point. WSYL rankings are meaningless and have no bearing on, the success of a team in the future, or whether a kid will stay or leave. Despite what a parent may tell you on the sideline, every parent is always evaluating whether there is a better opportunity out there for their kid. Bottom line is that I would not necessarily count on all of those kids sticking together forever, I assure you that some will leave.

Ok let me explain it like you're five. You are saying rankings are totally meaningless. So a top ranked team playing your unranked (and will never crack any ranking) team should not matter and you have a shot. ok got it. Your narrative fits the level of your club team. For that, I don't blame you for keep telling yourself that.

Yet, after all of that success, they were ranked 14 in US Club lacrosse pre-season rankings this year...much different when you put all the big clubs in the mix.

Wow. BBL is clearly in your head. You had to research rankings. That's great. By the way, did you find your son's team? I didn't think so. I won't call you pathetic. I actually feel sorry for you. I can picture you pecking away on your keyboard with two fingers googling stuff. You can't even figure out how to do a proper reply in this forum. Classic boomer.

would somebody mind breaking down the debate for me? I got lost a few messages ago and ...oh wait. I don't care. please continue to waste your time with this debate. Better you write it all down here than infect other real humans with it in the real world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody that throws out WSYL rankings a year later is pathetic... 91 Bandits was the best 2023 team...look at how they have done since then, they revamped the team with some holdbacks and still get smacked in the NLF. The core will stick together until something better comes along, and if you think that there is nothing better out there, you are delusional..wait until a few kids go and "guest" play for another club.
So you're saying your club team will roll in NLF bec they were never ranked anywhere ever? I'll have my popcorn ready.

Not sure what you are saying, but clearly you are missing the point. WSYL rankings are meaningless and have no bearing on, the success of a team in the future, or whether a kid will stay or leave. Despite what a parent may tell you on the sideline, every parent is always evaluating whether there is a better opportunity out there for their kid. Bottom line is that I would not necessarily count on all of those kids sticking together forever, I assure you that some will leave.

Ok let me explain it like you're five. You are saying rankings are totally meaningless. So a top ranked team playing your unranked (and will never crack any ranking) team should not matter and you have a shot. ok got it. Your narrative fits the level of your club team. For that, I don't blame you for keep telling yourself that.

Yet, after all of that success, they were ranked 14 in US Club lacrosse pre-season rankings this year...much different when you put all the big clubs in the mix.

Wow. BBL is clearly in your head. You had to research rankings. That's great. By the way, did you find your son's team? I didn't think so. I won't call you pathetic. I actually feel sorry for you. I can picture you pecking away on your keyboard with two fingers googling stuff. You can't even figure out how to do a proper reply in this forum. Classic boomer.

Not a lot of research needed, I saw them play at NAL. Point is, no need to come on here, brag about the team and post meaningless rankings, the team will earn whatever respect they deserve on the field. Just enjoy watching your son play, the results may not be the best all of the time, but hopefully your son is enjoying the experience. As you saw this summer, the competition gets really tough, but that can be a good character building experience for your son and the rest of the team if they put things into perspective. Unfortunately, when the results are not what you hoped for, despite playing a very hard schedule, kids and parents get frustrated and start to explore whether the grass is greener elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

would somebody mind breaking down the debate for me? I got lost a few messages ago and ...oh wait. I don't care. please continue to waste your time with this debate. Better you write it all down here than infect other real humans with it in the real world.

What are you talking about. This board has been crickets for many months before these arguments. Are you not entertained? Go ahead prof, tell us what's on your mind.

LE & Blue Star 2024 would both beat BBL by 5 with the teams they are putting together. United might beat BBL if the Shore lefty says with his real team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mad Dog getting neutered, losing players again

I'm not sure anyone cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE & Blue Star 2024 would both beat BBL by 5 with the teams they are putting together. United might beat BBL if the Shore lefty says with his real team.

what a crazy comment. "Real Team"? No idea who this comment is directed at, but it sounds like the "Shore Lefty" is leaving one team to go to another. This dude is making it sound like the "Shore Lefty" signed a timeshare contract that he can't get out of!!!

I'd also love to know what types of teams LE and BS are "putting together"? Is this dude driving all over the great state of New Jersey peeping in on 2024 tryouts?

Bottom line... this dude is creepy no mattter how you look at it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE & Blue Star 2024 would both beat BBL by 5 with the teams they are putting together. United might beat BBL if the Shore lefty says with his real team.

Take Bluestar out of it. They're nothing but a glorified town team. But now we're talking. 20204 Leading Edge vs BBL this fall. Newly built teams. Hope this happens. Bluestar players should be invited to watch and learn.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE & Blue Star 2024 would both beat BBL by 5 with the teams they are putting together. United might beat BBL if the Shore lefty says with his real team.

Take Bluestar out of it. They're nothing but a glorified town team. But now we're talking. 20204 Leading Edge vs BBL this fall. Newly built teams. Hope this happens. Bluestar players should be invited to watch and learn.

Oh snap!!!! BS on notice! We need someone to come up in here and defend blue stars honor!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE & Blue Star 2024 would both beat BBL by 5 with the teams they are putting together. United might beat BBL if the Shore lefty says with his real team.

Take Bluestar out of it. They're nothing but a glorified town team. But now we're talking. 20204 Leading Edge vs BBL this fall. Newly built teams. Hope this happens. Bluestar players should be invited to watch and learn.

Oh snap!!!! BS on notice! We need someone to come up in here and defend blue stars honor!

BS? .. never mind.. also, defend honor by beating these teams. something that will NEVER happen. actually, beat 3d first then come back here.

Why does anybody need to defend anything, it's a ridiculous discussion. While the true test would be if the teams played, unfortunately, these clubs do not like to play each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there BBL Black and Helix 2026 kids leaving?

Three 2026 BBL players, an attack, a middie and a goalie left BBL for Towermen.

Everyone from BBL will be at the tryout today. No 2026 players are going anywhere especially neither of their goalies and certainly none of there top attackman or middie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why does anybody need to defend anything, it's a ridiculous discussion. While the true test would be if the teams played, unfortunately, these clubs do not like to play each other.

It would be nice to have an all NJ tournament so that we don't have to travel and quarantine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there BBL Black and Helix 2026 kids leaving?

Three 2026 BBL players, an attack, a middie and a goalie left BBL for Towermen.

Everyone from BBL will be at the tryout today. No 2026 players are going anywhere especially neither of their goalies and certainly none of there top attackman or middie.

Not accouding to the money they have already paid another club!

I heard kids leaving for LE and towermen.
But who knows. Bbl black 2026 top on that age group.

I also heard that bbl is creating 3 teams. Is that correct?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there BBL Black and Helix 2026 kids leaving?

Three 2026 BBL players, an attack, a middie and a goalie left BBL for Towermen.

Everyone from BBL will be at the tryout today. No 2026 players are going anywhere especially neither of their goalies and certainly none of there top attackman or middie.

Not accouding to the money they have already paid another club!

Please...we already know that the "other club" provides scholarships so these studs don't have to fork over any bread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there BBL Black and Helix 2026 kids leaving?

Three 2026 BBL players, an attack, a middie and a goalie left BBL for Towermen.

Everyone from BBL will be at the tryout today. No 2026 players are going anywhere especially neither of their goalies and certainly none of there top attackman or middie.

Not accouding to the money they have already paid another club!

Please...we already know that the "other club" provides scholarships so these studs don't have to fork over any bread.

People leaving BBL not go to BBL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there BBL Black and Helix 2026 kids leaving?

Three 2026 BBL players, an attack, a middie and a goalie left BBL for Towermen.

Everyone from BBL will be at the tryout today. No 2026 players are going anywhere especially neither of their goalies and certainly none of there top attackman or middie.

Not accouding to the money they have already paid another club!

Please...we already know that the "other club" provides scholarships so these studs don't have to fork over any bread.

What "other club" is providing scholarships

I heard 50 kids at bbl tryout for 2 teams. I guess we will see how it goes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there BBL Black and Helix 2026 kids leaving?

Three 2026 BBL players, an attack, a middie and a goalie left BBL for Towermen.

Everyone from BBL will be at the tryout today. No 2026 players are going anywhere especially neither of their goalies and certainly none of there top attackman or middie.

Not accouding to the money they have already paid another club!

Please...we already know that the "other club" provides scholarships so these studs don't have to fork over any bread.

People leaving BBL not go to BBL.

Wow. The grammar and spelling on this thread is impressive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard 50 kids at bbl tryout for 2 teams. I guess we will see how it goes.

It appeared to be closer to 60 kids. 7 goalies trying out, 15 defenders or LSM, 15 attackmen, 20 middies, and at least 4 FOGOs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there BBL Black and Helix 2026 kids leaving?

Three 2026 BBL players, an attack, a middie and a goalie left BBL for Towermen.

Everyone from BBL will be at the tryout today. No 2026 players are going anywhere especially neither of their goalies and certainly none of there top attackman or middie.

Not accouding to the money they have already paid another club!

Please...we already know that the "other club" provides scholarships so these studs don't have to fork over any bread.

People leaving BBL not go to BBL.

Seems like kids want to come play for BBL. My son, who played BBL this summer said he heard that there were kids from United, Leading Edge, Riot (including a goalie), a middie from 2-way and a goalie from Towermen.

But that’s for 2 teams right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard 50 kids at bbl tryout for 2 teams. I guess we will see how it goes.

It appeared to be closer to 60 kids. 7 goalies trying out, 15 defenders or LSM, 15 attackmen, 20 middies, and at least 4 FOGOs.

I also heard BBL is making investments to improve their HS college recruitment program. When this happens, Leading Edge will lose its edge in this area. No pun intended.

BBL rising HS freshmen Black team callback tryout tomorrow. This is the same team that put NJ lacrosse on the map at World Series. If you want to see what a hotly contested tryout looks like, bring a lawn chair.

No skin in the game here but doesn’t 2024 BBL have two teams already. That would have be close to 50 kids just between them. Please correct me if I’m mistaken I’m not like these other people on here who get all crazy.

P.

This was for 2 teams for 2026 and they do have 2 teams already. I don’t think everyone was there from current teams though. But yes, that means a lot of those kids were current players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No skin in the game here but doesn’t 2024 BBL have two teams already. That would have be close to 50 kids just between them. Please correct me if I’m mistaken I’m not like these other people on here who get all crazy.

P.

They currently have two teams: Black and Helix

most BBL teams do have two teams, including 2024. This does not include BBL North which could also one or two additional teams per age group. So that is about 40-45 kids. The numbers for 2026 appear to be much higher but who knows how many of those are actually interested in playing for BBL team as opposed to just sampling other tryout opportunities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No skin in the game here but doesn’t 2024 BBL have two teams already. That would have be close to 50 kids just between them. Please correct me if I’m mistaken I’m not like these other people on here who get all crazy.

P.

They currently have two teams: Black and Helix

At the 2026 level, they could put out three teams and still have cuts. Lot of talent at the tryout. Black and Helix were both good at the 2026 level.

When do the invitations to the BBL players who completed try outs yesterday expect to be sent out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL rising HS freshmen Black team callback tryout tomorrow. This is the same team that put NJ lacrosse on the map at World Series. If you want to see what a hotly contested tryout looks like, bring a lawn chair.

I'll bring the lawnchairs if you bring the lube! I can't quit you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No skin in the game here but doesn’t 2024 BBL have two teams already. That would have be close to 50 kids just between them. Please correct me if I’m mistaken I’m not like these other people on here who get all crazy.

P.

They currently have two teams: Black and Helix

At the 2026 level, they could put out three teams and still have cuts. Lot of talent at the tryout. Black and Helix were both good at the 2026 level.

Making another WSYL run. awesome experience if you get to go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL rising HS freshmen Black team callback tryout tomorrow. This is the same team that put NJ lacrosse on the map at World Series. If you want to see what a hotly contested tryout looks like, bring a lawn chair.

I'll bring the lawnchairs if you bring the lube! I can't quit you!

Post of the year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard 50 kids at bbl tryout for 2 teams. I guess we will see how it goes.

It appeared to be closer to 60 kids. 7 goalies trying out, 15 defenders or LSM, 15 attackmen, 20 middies, and at least 4 FOGOs.

I also heard BBL is making investments to improve their HS college recruitment program. When this happens, Leading Edge will lose its edge in this area. No pun intended.

Have BBL and LE played each other in the past few years at the high school level?

How could you still have cuts at 2026 level if 60 kids at a tryout? That being said I would go to bbl over LE at youth level.

Wait teams bring in players to qualify for wsyl??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How could you still have cuts at 2026 level if 60 kids at a tryout? That being said I would go to bbl over LE at youth level.

60 you need cuts. Not enough for 3 teams unless everyone is saying accepts a spot. Plus still have too many at some positions for even 3 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard 50 kids at bbl tryout for 2 teams. I guess we will see how it goes.

It appeared to be closer to 60 kids. 7 goalies trying out, 15 defenders or LSM, 15 attackmen, 20 middies, and at least 4 FOGOs.

I also heard BBL is making investments to improve their HS college recruitment program. When this happens, Leading Edge will lose its edge in this area. No pun intended.

Have BBL and LE played each other in the past few years at the high school level?

LE has had the upper hand at the HS level for a while. BBL at the youth level. BBL making a push

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard kids leaving for LE and towermen.
But who knows. Bbl black 2026 top on that age group.

I also heard that bbl is creating 3 teams. Is that correct?

Why dilute your product for 3 teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard kids leaving for LE and towermen.
But who knows. Bbl black 2026 top on that age group.

I also heard that bbl is creating 3 teams. Is that correct?

Why dilute your product for 3 teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard kids leaving for LE and towermen.
But who knows. Bbl black 2026 top on that age group.

I also heard that bbl is creating 3 teams. Is that correct?

Why dilute your product for 3 teams

$3000 for 20 kids = $60,000. That is why.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait teams bring in players to qualify for wsyl??

Of course they do. Players who have been with the club for years will get pushed out solely for the purposes for the WSYL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait teams bring in players to qualify for wsyl??

Of course they do. Players who have been with the club for years will get pushed out solely for the purposes for the WSYL.

How is Tribal transition going ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait teams bring in players to qualify for wsyl??

Of course they do. Players who have been with the club for years will get pushed out solely for the purposes for the WSYL.

How is Tribal transition going ?

Going well so far. Looking forward to being the class of New Jersey next summer. These BBL vs LE debates will be a ancient history shortly.

How wou

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait teams bring in players to qualify for wsyl??

Of course they do. Players who have been with the club for years will get pushed out solely for the purposes for the WSYL.

How is Tribal transition going ?

Going well so far. Looking forward to being the class of New Jersey next summer. These BBL vs LE debates will be a ancient history shortly.

Is Express bringing in more players or is it just simply Tribal kids in new uniforms. If the later, how would that change would is the class of NJ.

BBL has posted tryout results for all teams but 2024 and 2026. Anyone know what the deal is with those two teams?

They had a later tryout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL has posted tryout results for all teams but 2024 and 2026. Anyone know what the deal is with those two teams?

lost alot of players

Did they add a lot of new on helx and black?

What numbers are for the “new” players?

9 new on Helix and 5 on black!

And got some solid players from LE.

Lax Nationals - NJ 44 Games were great to watch yesterday. NJ has some talent that is spread accross a number of differnt clubs. It was fun to see some of the top players in the state play together. Would love to see more events like this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax Nationals - NJ 44 Games were great to watch yesterday. NJ has some talent that is spread accross a number of differnt clubs. It was fun to see some of the top players in the state play together. Would love to see more events like this.

Not sure that a whole lot of clubs were represented...don't let the helmets fool you

On NJ clubs I wish there was a way to review clubs, coaches etc. we are the consumers and while a business there are also kids involved.

I feel like there needs to be more accountability with theses clubs. And colleges should care about how some top clubs treat their players and families.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On NJ clubs I wish there was a way to review clubs, coaches etc. we are the consumers and while a business there are also kids involved.

I feel like there needs to be more accountability with theses clubs. And colleges should care about how some top clubs treat their players and families.

I do not disagree, but definitely wishful thinking. I guess that the plus side is that we, as the consumers, have the option to switch clubs if we are not satisfied - not the best option when you have invested a lot of money, but at least it is in option. Think about the days when club sports were not as common, your kids future could be easily derailed by a high school coach who just didn't like your kid, in that case the only option would be to leave the school, if that was even an option financially.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On NJ clubs I wish there was a way to review clubs, coaches etc. we are the consumers and while a business there are also kids involved.

I feel like there needs to be more accountability with theses clubs. And colleges should care about how some the top clubs treat their players and families.

"And colleges should care about how some top clubs treat their players and families."

You are asking colleges to care about how programs treat their players. They could care less. No matter what level of college and no matter the sport, college coaches routinely use and discard players.

This is an NLF answer to the Under Armor the LE kids were told not to try out for UA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax Nationals - NJ 44 Games were great to watch yesterday. NJ has some talent that is spread accross a number of differnt clubs. It was fun to see some of the top players in the state play together. Would love to see more events like this.

Not sure that a whole lot of clubs were represented...don't let the helmets fool you

The email said to wear the HS helmet, which helped the visual when most of the kids on the field were LE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is an NLF answer to the Under Armor the LE kids were told not to try out for UA.

What's the reasoning behind this? And what happens to a player who disobeys that order?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is an NLF answer to the Under Armor the LE kids were told not to try out for UA.

Because the LE coaches were no longer affiliated with UA team. So instead of having a UA team loaded with LE players, which other clubs complained about for years, the other clubs finally got on the coaching staff and did the same thing. Some of the better players in the state did not even go to the tryout because of the politics, and those that did, who are not on the favored clubs, were sent packing, less $250. Unfortunately, despite all the promises of getting exposure to college coaches, UA switched the format so that teams have to get past a qualifier to play in the main event. NJ has to play PA and CT to get through the qualifier, good luck with that.

Does Mad Dog have a 2026 team anymore? Is it a NJ team or a regional team? cant seem to find much Mad Dog 2026 on tourney machine?

Has anyone every heard of the National Lacrosse Union tournaments? Mad Dog National keeps telling families how great these NLU tournaments are....I have never heard of them and dont see them on tourney machine

While All Star Games are relative because they don't practice together, the National All Star Games should be an interesting tournament. It's heavy NLF based so expect lots of Crabs, Express, Team 91 affiliated kids to be part of it. They split up NY into 3 teams so that helps level it a bit. I'd put NJ in middle of the pack in 21, upper middle 22, lower middle in 23 based on results this this for LE which will dominate the rosters. It looks like they are going all out with helmets, uniforms, etc to make a big splash.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax Nationals - NJ 44 Games were great to watch yesterday. NJ has some talent that is spread accross a number of differnt clubs. It was fun to see some of the top players in the state play together. Would love to see more events like this.

Not sure that a whole lot of clubs were represented...don't let the helmets fool you

The email said to wear the HS helmet, which helped the visual when most of the kids on the field were LE.

Some thought that it was to hide the fact that it was mostly LE players

Does Mad Dog have a 2026 team? I know they had tryouts but unclear if they will have a team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does Mad Dog have a 2026 team? I know they had tryouts but unclear if they will have a team?

The top kids left, United and Leading Edge. They have a dad coaching, he is a very good guy. If you interested in a local team they would be a good fit.

Maybe I am a dreamer but there has got to be a better way. After having a “top” club not treat a youth team well during covid I am at a loss.

I think you can be competitive and can at the sane time. I wish there was a platform where clubs were rated. I have never run a lax team but o have run a team at a major super successful company. And we had heart,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe I am a dreamer but there has got to be a better way. After having a “top” club not treat a youth team well during covid I am at a loss.

I think you can be competitive and can at the sane time. I wish there was a platform where clubs were rated. I have never run a lax team but o have run a team at a major super successful company. And we had heart,

Word of mouth is best. Ratings will never work bec they are subjective and easily gamed. And certainly take everything posted in these forums with a grain of salt. Just like anything else, both player and parents must do their due diligence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax Nationals - NJ 44 Games were great to watch yesterday. NJ has some talent that is spread accross a number of differnt clubs. It was fun to see some of the top players in the state play together. Would love to see more events like this.

Not sure that a whole lot of clubs were represented...don't let the helmets fool you

The email said to wear the HS helmet, which helped the visual when most of the kids on the field were LE.

Some thought that it was to hide the fact that it was mostly LE players

Correct. LE players were automatically invited and it was free.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe I am a dreamer but there has got to be a better way. After having a “top” club not treat a youth team well during covid I am at a loss.

I think you can be competitive and can at the sane time. I wish there was a platform where clubs were rated. I have never run a lax team but o have run a team at a major super successful company. And we had heart,

Not treat them well how and at what age?

Are you really comparing runnig a team of aduts to youth sports? Did any of your employees moms or dads call you and compain? My guess you went to gradeschool or have some training on running a team? Outside one club most of these guys are trying to make a living on youth sports. Collage is even worse. Stop blocking for your kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax Nationals - NJ 44 Games were great to watch yesterday. NJ has some talent that is spread accross a number of differnt clubs. It was fun to see some of the top players in the state play together. Would love to see more events like this.

Not sure that a whole lot of clubs were represented...don't let the helmets fool you

The email said to wear the HS helmet, which helped the visual when most of the kids on the field were LE.

Some thought that it was to hide the fact that it was mostly LE players

Correct. LE players were automatically invited and it was free.

Not all LE players were invited

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax Nationals - NJ 44 Games were great to watch yesterday. NJ has some talent that is spread accross a number of differnt clubs. It was fun to see some of the top players in the state play together. Would love to see more events like this.

Not sure that a whole lot of clubs were represented...don't let the helmets fool you

The email said to wear the HS helmet, which helped the visual when most of the kids on the field were LE.

Some thought that it was to hide the fact that it was mostly LE players

Correct. LE players were automatically invited and it was free.

Not all LE players were invited

Pretty sure they were, some just didn't go.

Jersey becoming the new hot bed for Tournaments? Maybe some of the NJ teams will play each other. LE & BBL?

September to Remember is set for Sept. 12-13, followed by the September Shootout on Sept. 26-27

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jersey becoming the new hot bed for Tournaments? Maybe some of the NJ teams will play each other. LE & BBL?

September to Remember is set for Sept. 12-13, followed by the September Shootout on Sept. 26-27

LE and BBL will finally play each other this fall. This thread will be buzzing.

Where does everybody see Jersey Express in the scheme of NJ Clubs? Worthy enough to compete with LE/BBL for thread space here?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does everybody see Jersey Express in the scheme of NJ Clubs? Worthy enough to compete with LE/BBL for thread space here?

We can talk about Jersey Express when they put somebody into a major D1 program. still quite a few years away from that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does everybody see Jersey Express in the scheme of NJ Clubs? Worthy enough to compete with LE/BBL for thread space here?

Not sure anyone cares about South Jersey, its hard enough to get people to talk about the Shore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure anyone cares about South Jersey, its hard enough to get people to talk about the Shore.

I'll bite. Why can't 91 NJ South break out of B bracket at the youth level? Seems like they are are always having supplemental tryouts. They have been around for a while and from a distance appear to be well organized.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure anyone cares about South Jersey, its hard enough to get people to talk about the Shore.

I'll bite. Why can't 91 NJ South break out of B bracket at the youth level? Seems like they are are always having supplemental tryouts. They have been around for a while and from a distance appear to be well organized.

What are these teams you speak of? I haven't heard of any of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure anyone cares about South Jersey, its hard enough to get people to talk about the Shore.

I'll bite. Why can't 91 NJ South break out of B bracket at the youth level? Seems like they are are always having supplemental tryouts. They have been around for a while and from a distance appear to be well organized.

Not enough talent and to many teams. NJLC, Mad Dog & United all pull kids from the area and Birch effect has driven the top players around Manasqan to LE outside the handfull of 2021 that played for Mad Dog National.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does everybody see Jersey Express in the scheme of NJ Clubs? Worthy enough to compete with LE/BBL for thread space here?

Here's the thing, Due to covid, NJ teams will look to play local this fall. Ask your Jersey Express director to enter in NJ tourneys. Honestly, I would like to see all Jersey tourneys this fall so we dont have to travel out of state.

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Here's the thing, Due to covid, NJ teams will look to play local this fall. Ask your Jersey Express director to enter in NJ tourneys.
Honestly, I would like to see all Jersey tourneys this fall so we dont have to travel out of state.

That would be fantastic. We had two games on a Friday night at Apex mid summer and it was really nice. Solid competition and great atmosphere. There was another round robin at a nice park outside of Princeton. More of these type of events against location competition would be fantastic and much easier to handle in fall given its also football and soccer season (given its played). It would also give parents a taste of the different clubs in NJ and the levels of lacrosse that exist. They should try to match up the level of play as best as possible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Here's the thing, Due to covid, NJ teams will look to play local this fall. Ask your Jersey Express director to enter in NJ tourneys.
Honestly, I would like to see all Jersey tourneys this fall so we dont have to travel out of state.

That would be fantastic. We had two games on a Friday night at Apex mid summer and it was really nice. Solid competition and great atmosphere. There was another round robin at a nice park outside of Princeton. More of these type of events against location competition would be fantastic and much easier to handle in fall given its also football and soccer season (given its played). It would also give parents a taste of the different clubs in NJ and the levels of lacrosse that exist. They should try to match up the level of play as best as possible.

Club directors do not want parents to check out other NJ clubs. They want you to play LI and PA clubs so no chance your son bolts to another club in-state. I have always wondered why there is not a state cup type tournament for lacrosse like there is for soccer but every club director I spoke to about it rejects the concept out of hand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Here's the thing, Due to covid, NJ teams will look to play local this fall. Ask your Jersey Express director to enter in NJ tourneys.
Honestly, I would like to see all Jersey tourneys this fall so we dont have to travel out of state.

That would be fantastic. We had two games on a Friday night at Apex mid summer and it was really nice. Solid competition and great atmosphere. There was another round robin at a nice park outside of Princeton. More of these type of events against location competition would be fantastic and much easier to handle in fall given its also football and soccer season (given its played). It would also give parents a taste of the different clubs in NJ and the levels of lacrosse that exist. They should try to match up the level of play as best as possible.

And guess what you'll find out.. that different levels of competition exists statewide, and like you said, you can have good match ups where ALL players can play, improve their games, and all the families here can enjoy watching their sons. With the exception of that 'I can't quit you' dude. He'd be too busy begging people for lube.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Here's the thing, Due to covid, NJ teams will look to play local this fall. Ask your Jersey Express director to enter in NJ tourneys.
Honestly, I would like to see all Jersey tourneys this fall so we dont have to travel out of state.

That would be fantastic. We had two games on a Friday night at Apex mid summer and it was really nice. Solid competition and great atmosphere. There was another round robin at a nice park outside of Princeton. More of these type of events against location competition would be fantastic and much easier to handle in fall given its also football and soccer season (given its played). It would also give parents a taste of the different clubs in NJ and the levels of lacrosse that exist. They should try to match up the level of play as best as possible.

And guess what you'll find out.. that different levels of competition exists statewide, and like you said, you can have good match ups where ALL players can play, improve their games, and all the families here can enjoy watching their sons. With the exception of that 'I can't quit you' dude. He'd be too busy begging people for lube.

'I can't quite you' I don't get it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Here's the thing, Due to covid, NJ teams will look to play local this fall. Ask your Jersey Express director to enter in NJ tourneys.
Honestly, I would like to see all Jersey tourneys this fall so we dont have to travel out of state.

That would be fantastic. We had two games on a Friday night at Apex mid summer and it was really nice. Solid competition and great atmosphere. There was another round robin at a nice park outside of Princeton. More of these type of events against location competition would be fantastic and much easier to handle in fall given its also football and soccer season (given its played). It would also give parents a taste of the different clubs in NJ and the levels of lacrosse that exist. They should try to match up the level of play as best as possible.

And guess what you'll find out.. that different levels of competition exists statewide, and like you said, you can have good match ups where ALL players can play, improve their games, and all the families here can enjoy watching their sons. With the exception of that 'I can't quit you' dude. He'd be too busy begging people for lube.

'I can't quite you' I don't get it?

It's just a gavone trying to be a comedian in this thread. You'll have to scroll up posts to find it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is an NLF answer to the Under Armor the LE kids were told not to try out for UA.

Because the LE coaches were no longer affiliated with UA team. So instead of having a UA team loaded with LE players, which other clubs complained about for years, the other clubs finally got on the coaching staff and did the same thing. Some of the better players in the state did not even go to the tryout because of the politics, and those that did, who are not on the favored clubs, were sent packing, less $250. Unfortunately, despite all the promises of getting exposure to college coaches, UA switched the format so that teams have to get past a qualifier to play in the main event. NJ has to play PA and CT to get through the qualifier, good luck with that.

I stand corrected either the PA and CT UA teams were not that strong, or the NJ teams are better than I thought...best of luck

How many kids switched clubs in 8th grade and then stay through high school?
Or do they switch going into 9th grade?

Curious what did most 6th grade teams do during covid as far as cuts during covid? I ask because my son’s team cut more than 1/2 the team. We were expecting some cuts but nothing this drastic during a covid year.

Basically the team (which was mostly new) had 1 day a week practices and then were up against teams that had 3 or more.

What was BBL’s approach?

There usually is still quite a bit of movement b/w teams in 8th grade and slightly less in 9th grade as the better teams are usually looking to fill specific needs vice wholesale changes by then. Even in HS some teams will cut players or have players move teams (reclass) for more playing time. As for the post asking about cuts and Covid, I've seen large turnover (up to half the team some years) every single year on my kid's team all the way from 5th grade to HS. It's rare to find a club that will simply develop what they have all the way through the years. Don't let anyone fool you, ALL the clubs will part ways with players to get what the "perceive" as a better one. My kid has teammates from previous years that are on their 2nd/3rd team since the 5th/6th grade years. Bottomline is if they aren't playing much, you're better off finding a team where they can contribute and grow vice wait for the cut to happen in 8th/9th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious what did most 6th grade teams do during covid as far as cuts during covid? I ask because my son’s team cut more than 1/2 the team. We were expecting some cuts but nothing this drastic during a covid year.

Basically the team (which was mostly new) had 1 day a week practices and then were up against teams that had 3 or more.

What was BBL’s approach?

How is COVID relevant to cuts? Clubs will fill their rosters with the best players willing to sign on. Always. COVID or no COVID.

What's going on at Leading Edge? They used to have the strongest teams at the high school level. Now they only have 1 ranked in the Top 20 (2022) and they are slipping. Seems like ever since the recruiting rules changed they have lost their edge (pun intended). Are they too focused on getting the early maturing kids in 9th grade while other clubs developed talent to peak later? Are they just poorly organized? Bad coaching? Bad reputation? Seems like Tri-State has made strong resurgence and may be the new king of NJ along with BBL. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going on at Leading Edge? They used to have the strongest teams at the high school level. Now they only have 1 ranked in the Top 20 (2022) and they are slipping. Seems like ever since the recruiting rules changed they have lost their edge (pun intended). Are they too focused on getting the early maturing kids in 9th grade while other clubs developed talent to peak later? Are they just poorly organized? Bad coaching? Bad reputation? Seems like Tri-State has made strong resurgence and may be the new king of NJ along with BBL. Thoughts?

Keep poking the bear, maybe LE will start playing NJ teams.

This is my take on Leading Edge. They will always have good high school teams but because there are numerous lacrosse clubs in NJ it is diluted them slightly. With teams like BBL, Patriot, Riot, Shore to Shore, getting put together at much younger ages, the kids are not leaving their teams as easily as they once were. The rankings are a little BS too. I know the 2023's for LE lost a handful of games by 1 goal so they should be a little higher and some teams get to the finals on sub level tournaments and rank a little better. Likewise, they generally play more than half of the teams in the "top 20" each season, sometimes twice a season. Other teams only play the really good teams in Naptown; this was the first year things were mixed up a little because the directors were just trying to get games in and were playing tourneys anywhere they could because of COVID.

I do think Leading Edge has to develop their teams earlier. They need to get better on social media and kind of adapt to the building of teams in this changing era.
Their directors have got most of each team to got D1 unless the kid chooses to go D2/D3 and that is a point that is hard to argue. This is where BBL and Patriot still have to develop. BBL is improving but the downfall with them is it seems like everyone has caught up to them since the World Series but their Director, to his credit, is building a strong club. Patriot will probably always be the third wheel. Some really good players but will be missing a little bit. Shore to Shore is an up and comer and speaking of the real shore, Mad Dog and United are flailing. I have heard this is the last run for the Mad Dog 2025 team and most of the good kids will probably end up and Leading Edge.

I am very familiar with all these clubs and this is just my opinion. Do not intend to offend anyone so please respond intelligently.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is my take on Leading Edge. They will always have good high school teams but because there are numerous lacrosse clubs in NJ it is diluted them slightly. With teams like BBL, Patriot, Riot, Shore to Shore, getting put together at much younger ages, the kids are not leaving their teams as easily as they once were. The rankings are a little BS too. I know the 2023's for LE lost a handful of games by 1 goal so they should be a little higher and some teams get to the finals on sub level tournaments and rank a little better. Likewise, they generally play more than half of the teams in the "top 20" each season, sometimes twice a season. Other teams only play the really good teams in Naptown; this was the first year things were mixed up a little because the directors were just trying to get games in and were playing tourneys anywhere they could because of COVID.

I do think Leading Edge has to develop their teams earlier. They need to get better on social media and kind of adapt to the building of teams in this changing era.
Their directors have got most of each team to got D1 unless the kid chooses to go D2/D3 and that is a point that is hard to argue. This is where BBL and Patriot still have to develop. BBL is improving but the downfall with them is it seems like everyone has caught up to them since the World Series but their Director, to his credit, is building a strong club. Patriot will probably always be the third wheel. Some really good players but will be missing a little bit. Shore to Shore is an up and comer and speaking of the real shore, Mad Dog and United are flailing. I have heard this is the last run for the Mad Dog 2025 team and most of the good kids will probably end up and Leading Edge.

I am very familiar with all these clubs and this is just my opinion. Do not intend to offend anyone so please respond intelligently.

This sounds like a pretty good assessment. Shore 2 Shore is a long island team though, not NJ. Maybe you mean SouthShore? Also, the quality of D1 programs that LE is getting kids to commit to isn't as impressive as in years past. Will be interesting now that the 2022's are on the clock.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going on at Leading Edge? They used to have the strongest teams at the high school level. Now they only have 1 ranked in the Top 20 (2022) and they are slipping. Seems like ever since the recruiting rules changed they have lost their edge (pun intended). Are they too focused on getting the early maturing kids in 9th grade while other clubs developed talent to peak later? Are they just poorly organized? Bad coaching? Bad reputation? Seems like Tri-State has made strong resurgence and may be the new king of NJ along with BBL. Thoughts?

Keep poking the bear, maybe LE will start playing NJ teams.

No club in NJ is the King of NJ, including Leading Edge, and not sure where the Tri-State thing came from (maybe 2021's), ridiculous statement. However, I would agree that LE is not really the dominant high school program that it used to be. Several good 2023 teams in the state, those would be some good match-ups, BBL, Tri-State and Riot have played, and Bluestar, Patriot and South Shore have played, but there hasn't been any other cross-over. Leading Edge basically sticks with NLF teams and gets smacked around a lot, but they do play a really hard schedule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is my take on Leading Edge. They will always have good high school teams but because there are numerous lacrosse clubs in NJ it is diluted them slightly. With teams like BBL, Patriot, Riot, Shore to Shore, getting put together at much younger ages, the kids are not leaving their teams as easily as they once were. The rankings are a little BS too. I know the 2023's for LE lost a handful of games by 1 goal so they should be a little higher and some teams get to the finals on sub level tournaments and rank a little better. Likewise, they generally play more than half of the teams in the "top 20" each season, sometimes twice a season. Other teams only play the really good teams in Naptown; this was the first year things were mixed up a little because the directors were just trying to get games in and were playing tourneys anywhere they could because of COVID.

I do think Leading Edge has to develop their teams earlier. They need to get better on social media and kind of adapt to the building of teams in this changing era.
Their directors have got most of each team to got D1 unless the kid chooses to go D2/D3 and that is a point that is hard to argue. This is where BBL and Patriot still have to develop. BBL is improving but the downfall with them is it seems like everyone has caught up to them since the World Series but their Director, to his credit, is building a strong club. Patriot will probably always be the third wheel. Some really good players but will be missing a little bit. Shore to Shore is an up and comer and speaking of the real shore, Mad Dog and United are flailing. I have heard this is the last run for the Mad Dog 2025 team and most of the good kids will probably end up and Leading Edge.

I am very familiar with all these clubs and this is just my opinion. Do not intend to offend anyone so please respond intelligently.

Blue Star?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going on at Leading Edge? They used to have the strongest teams at the high school level. Now they only have 1 ranked in the Top 20 (2022) and they are slipping. Seems like ever since the recruiting rules changed they have lost their edge (pun intended). Are they too focused on getting the early maturing kids in 9th grade while other clubs developed talent to peak later? Are they just poorly organized? Bad coaching? Bad reputation? Seems like Tri-State has made strong resurgence and may be the new king of NJ along with BBL. Thoughts?

Keep poking the bear, maybe LE will start playing NJ teams.

No club in NJ is the King of NJ, including Leading Edge, and not sure where the Tri-State thing came from (maybe 2021's), ridiculous statement. However, I would agree that LE is not really the dominant high school program that it used to be. Several good 2023 teams in the state, those would be some good match-ups, BBL, Tri-State and Riot have played, and Bluestar, Patriot and South Shore have played, but there hasn't been any other cross-over. Leading Edge basically sticks with NLF teams and gets smacked around a lot, but they do play a really hard schedule.

Why is Tri-State a ridiculous statement? On the aggregate, they are ranked higher than LE and BBL for 2021 - 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is my take on Leading Edge. They will always have good high school teams but because there are numerous lacrosse clubs in NJ it is diluted them slightly. With teams like BBL, Patriot, Riot, Shore to Shore, getting put together at much younger ages, the kids are not leaving their teams as easily as they once were. The rankings are a little BS too. I know the 2023's for LE lost a handful of games by 1 goal so they should be a little higher and some teams get to the finals on sub level tournaments and rank a little better. Likewise, they generally play more than half of the teams in the "top 20" each season, sometimes twice a season. Other teams only play the really good teams in Naptown; this was the first year things were mixed up a little because the directors were just trying to get games in and were playing tourneys anywhere they could because of COVID.

I do think Leading Edge has to develop their teams earlier. They need to get better on social media and kind of adapt to the building of teams in this changing era.
Their directors have got most of each team to got D1 unless the kid chooses to go D2/D3 and that is a point that is hard to argue. This is where BBL and Patriot still have to develop. BBL is improving but the downfall with them is it seems like everyone has caught up to them since the World Series but their Director, to his credit, is building a strong club. Patriot will probably always be the third wheel. Some really good players but will be missing a little bit. Shore to Shore is an up and comer and speaking of the real shore, Mad Dog and United are flailing. I have heard this is the last run for the Mad Dog 2025 team and most of the good kids will probably end up and Leading Edge.

I am very familiar with all these clubs and this is just my opinion. Do not intend to offend anyone so please respond intelligently.

Blue Star?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is my take on Leading Edge. They will always have good high school teams but because there are numerous lacrosse clubs in NJ it is diluted them slightly. With teams like BBL, Patriot, Riot, Shore to Shore, getting put together at much younger ages, the kids are not leaving their teams as easily as they once were. The rankings are a little BS too. I know the 2023's for LE lost a handful of games by 1 goal so they should be a little higher and some teams get to the finals on sub level tournaments and rank a little better. Likewise, they generally play more than half of the teams in the "top 20" each season, sometimes twice a season. Other teams only play the really good teams in Naptown; this was the first year things were mixed up a little because the directors were just trying to get games in and were playing tourneys anywhere they could because of COVID.

I do think Leading Edge has to develop their teams earlier. They need to get better on social media and kind of adapt to the building of teams in this changing era.
Their directors have got most of each team to got D1 unless the kid chooses to go D2/D3 and that is a point that is hard to argue. This is where BBL and Patriot still have to develop. BBL is improving but the downfall with them is it seems like everyone has caught up to them since the World Series but their Director, to his credit, is building a strong club. Patriot will probably always be the third wheel. Some really good players but will be missing a little bit. Shore to Shore is an up and comer and speaking of the real shore, Mad Dog and United are flailing. I have heard this is the last run for the Mad Dog 2025 team and most of the good kids will probably end up and Leading Edge.

I am very familiar with all these clubs and this is just my opinion. Do not intend to offend anyone so please respond intelligently.

Blue Star?

Thoughtful post. Much appreciated. As for Bluestar, they are DOA. Already falling apart at all age levels. Ambitious plans. Lack of execution and attention to detail.

Let’s get over to Apex or that place in Tinton Falls, LE, BBL, Tri State, Patriot, Riot, Blue Star, add some teams in each year that maybe solid from other programs like Team 91, True, Jersey Express, Etc. and settle this like the big boy states MD and NY do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s get over to Apex or that place in Tinton Falls, LE, BBL, Tri State, Patriot, Riot, Blue Star, add some teams in each year that maybe solid from other programs like Team 91, True, Jersey Express, Etc. and settle this like the big boy states MD and NY do.

Settle what? Sounds like an insecure BBL dad. Nobody cares about BBL. Keep you knee pads dusted off and stay where you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s get over to Apex or that place in Tinton Falls, LE, BBL, Tri State, Patriot, Riot, Blue Star, add some teams in each year that maybe solid from other programs like Team 91, True, Jersey Express, Etc. and settle this like the big boy states MD and NY do.

Right. Because that will happen. Can we all acknowledge that not all clubs have a purpose of producing elite players? Certain clubs are much more about providing landing spots for all players (good players and those that need to develop further). keep in mind these are business ventures for the owners. Like any business, they are targeting specific market segments. Some team may only have 1 team per grade, some 2 teams, others may have 3. I'm sure having 3 teams per grade brings in a nice little chunk of change. I'd say that those clubs that are looking to maximize top line revenue could not really care less about who is the more elite club and could not care less about competing at Apex or Tinton Falls to determine the "top" New Jersey team. Their metric for determining that title is different than lax dad's metric.

where am I going with this? Just a little self therapy session. Just felling a bit down about a particular club in that list above, in particular the money and time invested, for not much benefit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s get over to Apex or that place in Tinton Falls, LE, BBL, Tri State, Patriot, Riot, Blue Star, add some teams in each year that maybe solid from other programs like Team 91, True, Jersey Express, Etc. and settle this like the big boy states MD and NY do.

This is not necessary, all you have to do is go to the USCL rankings. Only 2 clubs from NJ are listed in the top 20. Guess who they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is my take on Leading Edge. They will always have good high school teams but because there are numerous lacrosse clubs in NJ it is diluted them slightly. With teams like BBL, Patriot, Riot, Shore to Shore, getting put together at much younger ages, the kids are not leaving their teams as easily as they once were. The rankings are a little BS too. I know the 2023's for LE lost a handful of games by 1 goal so they should be a little higher and some teams get to the finals on sub level tournaments and rank a little better. Likewise, they generally play more than half of the teams in the "top 20" each season, sometimes twice a season. Other teams only play the really good teams in Naptown; this was the first year things were mixed up a little because the directors were just trying to get games in and were playing tourneys anywhere they could because of COVID.

I do think Leading Edge has to develop their teams earlier. They need to get better on social media and kind of adapt to the building of teams in this changing era.
Their directors have got most of each team to got D1 unless the kid chooses to go D2/D3 and that is a point that is hard to argue. This is where BBL and Patriot still have to develop. BBL is improving but the downfall with them is it seems like everyone has caught up to them since the World Series but their Director, to his credit, is building a strong club. Patriot will probably always be the third wheel. Some really good players but will be missing a little bit. Shore to Shore is an up and comer and speaking of the real shore, Mad Dog and United are flailing. I have heard this is the last run for the Mad Dog 2025 team and most of the good kids will probably end up and Leading Edge.

I am very familiar with all these clubs and this is just my opinion. Do not intend to offend anyone so please respond intelligently.

Blue Star?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is my take on Leading Edge. They will always have good high school teams but because there are numerous lacrosse clubs in NJ it is diluted them slightly. With teams like BBL, Patriot, Riot, Shore to Shore, getting put together at much younger ages, the kids are not leaving their teams as easily as they once were. The rankings are a little BS too. I know the 2023's for LE lost a handful of games by 1 goal so they should be a little higher and some teams get to the finals on sub level tournaments and rank a little better. Likewise, they generally play more than half of the teams in the "top 20" each season, sometimes twice a season. Other teams only play the really good teams in Naptown; this was the first year things were mixed up a little because the directors were just trying to get games in and were playing tourneys anywhere they could because of COVID.

I do think Leading Edge has to develop their teams earlier. They need to get better on social media and kind of adapt to the building of teams in this changing era.
Their directors have got most of each team to got D1 unless the kid chooses to go D2/D3 and that is a point that is hard to argue. This is where BBL and Patriot still have to develop. BBL is improving but the downfall with them is it seems like everyone has caught up to them since the World Series but their Director, to his credit, is building a strong club. Patriot will probably always be the third wheel. Some really good players but will be missing a little bit. Shore to Shore is an up and comer and speaking of the real shore, Mad Dog and United are flailing. I have heard this is the last run for the Mad Dog 2025 team and most of the good kids will probably end up and Leading Edge.

I am very familiar with all these clubs and this is just my opinion. Do not intend to offend anyone so please respond intelligently.

Blue Star?

Thoughtful post. Much appreciated. As for Bluestar, they are DOA. Already falling apart at all age levels. Ambitious plans. Lack of execution and attention to detail.

The statement about Bluestar is simply not accurate. Not only are they not "falling apart", they are carrying multiple teams at each age level. My son has played with several clubs and has never gotten the level of coaching as he has with Bluestar, and the communication with the parents is exceptional. If you haven't done so, I would encourage you to check out the program. Unfortunately, there is probably a false narrative out there with Bluestar because of the history with tri-state, but I think that you would be impressed with the program and coaching. They also have a very impressive list of college commits, especially if you take into consideration the commits from the period when the Bluestar coaches were still with tri-state. Unfortunately, a lot of the opinions on this forum tend to be biased in favor of one's own team, myself included, but I think that if you do a little due diligence on your own, you can get a better handle on what is out there. Simply making a blanket statement about a club is not really a productive use of this forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s get over to Apex or that place in Tinton Falls, LE, BBL, Tri State, Patriot, Riot, Blue Star, add some teams in each year that maybe solid from other programs like Team 91, True, Jersey Express, Etc. and settle this like the big boy states MD and NY do.

Right. Because that will happen. Can we all acknowledge that not all clubs have a purpose of producing elite players? Certain clubs are much more about providing landing spots for all players (good players and those that need to develop further). keep in mind these are business ventures for the owners. Like any business, they are targeting specific market segments. Some team may only have 1 team per grade, some 2 teams, others may have 3. I'm sure having 3 teams per grade brings in a nice little chunk of change. I'd say that those clubs that are looking to maximize top line revenue could not really care less about who is the more elite club and could not care less about competing at Apex or Tinton Falls to determine the "top" New Jersey team. Their metric for determining that title is different than lax dad's metric.

where am I going with this? Just a little self therapy session. Just felling a bit down about a particular club in that list above, in particular the money and time invested, for not much benefit.

I think that it is healthy to re-evaluate things at the end of the season, especially considering the time and money spent. I went through the same thing with my son and we made a change, in a much better place now for him. And not trying to play on-line psychologist, but is your son having fun, if yes, then perhaps that is what you should focus on. Not directing this at you or your son, but the bottom line is that most of these kids will not pick up a lacrosse stick competitively after high school, so if it is not a huge financial burden, and again, so long as your son is having fun, perhaps it is best to just enjoy it while you can. Our club has had it's up and downs, but just seeing my son on the field this summer after quarantine was great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s get over to Apex or that place in Tinton Falls, LE, BBL, Tri State, Patriot, Riot, Blue Star, add some teams in each year that maybe solid from other programs like Team 91, True, Jersey Express, Etc. and settle this like the big boy states MD and NY do.

This is not necessary, all you have to do is go to the USCL rankings. Only 2 clubs from NJ are listed in the top 20. Guess who they are.

Are you really quoting USCL? Come on, its one guy in Point Pleasant.
He has ties to Mad Dog, if they had more teams they would all be in the top 20. Watch their 2025 team won 2 maybe 3 games all year and he will have them raked in the top 20 and one of their wins was vs BBL in 100 deg heat after BBL had just played a game.
More power to him, he keeps people talking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughtful post. Much appreciated. As for Bluestar, they are DOA. Already falling apart at all age levels. Ambitious plans. Lack of execution and attention to detail.

The statement about Bluestar is simply not accurate. Not only are they not "falling apart", they are carrying multiple teams at each age level. My son has played with several clubs and has never gotten the level of coaching as he has with Bluestar, and the communication with the parents is exceptional. If you haven't done so, I would encourage you to check out the program. Unfortunately, there is probably a false narrative out there with Bluestar because of the history with tri-state, but I think that you would be impressed with the program and coaching. They also have a very impressive list of college commits, especially if you take into consideration the commits from the period when the Bluestar coaches were still with tri-state. Unfortunately, a lot of the opinions on this forum tend to be biased in favor of one's own team, myself included, but I think that if you do a little due diligence on your own, you can get a better handle on what is out there. Simply making a blanket statement about a club is not really a productive use of this forum.

It is true that Blanket statements are not helpful. It is important to understand what each family is expecting to get out of a perspective club to be able to gauge if the club is meeting the family's needs or falling short. Blue Star might be a great organization for one family and lack luster for another. Same goes for BBL, LE, Tri-state. If your main objective is going to elite tournaments (Naptown, NLF, etc) certain clubs can provide that. Of course you'll have to deal with all the crazy parents and politics that come with playing on that level of club. If you want a more low-key experience where not everyone is gunning for D1 scholarships, there are teams that can provide that. Of course, you will not be winning any bragging rights on this board - but I doubt that matters to you in that case.

In general, I find lacrosse parents to be a delusional bunch that are chasing unattainable standards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s get over to Apex or that place in Tinton Falls, LE, BBL, Tri State, Patriot, Riot, Blue Star, add some teams in each year that maybe solid from other programs like Team 91, True, Jersey Express, Etc. and settle this like the big boy states MD and NY do.

This is not necessary, all you have to do is go to the USCL rankings. Only 2 clubs from NJ are listed in the top 20. Guess who they are.

Are you really quoting USCL? Come on, its one guy in Point Pleasant.
He has ties to Mad Dog, if they had more teams they would all be in the top 20. Watch their 2025 team won 2 maybe 3 games all year and he will have them raked in the top 20 and one of their wins was vs BBL in 100 deg heat after BBL had just played a game.
More power to him, he keeps people talking.

Hey take it easy. No need to be so angry. USCL is at least keeping lax scene interesting. So fine, you don't believe it its ranking. Now we're back to having all these club play each other to find out. I'm with the other guy, it's chances of happening is very slim. But you never know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s get over to Apex or that place in Tinton Falls, LE, BBL, Tri State, Patriot, Riot, Blue Star, add some teams in each year that maybe solid from other programs like Team 91, True, Jersey Express, Etc. and settle this like the big boy states MD and NY do.

This is not necessary, all you have to do is go to the USCL rankings. Only 2 clubs from NJ are listed in the top 20. Guess who they are.

Are you really quoting USCL? Come on, its one guy in Point Pleasant.
He has ties to Mad Dog, if they had more teams they would all be in the top 20. Watch their 2025 team won 2 maybe 3 games all year and he will have them raked in the top 20 and one of their wins was vs BBL in 100 deg heat after BBL had just played a game.
More power to him, he keeps people talking.

Hey take it easy. No need to be so angry. USCL is at least keeping lax scene interesting. So fine, you don't believe it its ranking. Now we're back to having all these club play each other to find out. I'm with the other guy, it's chances of happening is very slim. But you never know.

The rankings are a ridiculous, especially this year, and for what it's worth, I believe that USCL is loosely associated with DSM (Team 91), not Mad Dog. For the most part, the fact that the top teams in NJ do not play each other is unfortunate, it would be fun for the boys who have many friends on other clubs. Truth is, the players all know who the best teams/players are in each age group, and there is a lot of respect between these kids in that regard. If you really want to know who the best team is in NJ, take the top 2 or 3 kids from each of these clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s get over to Apex or that place in Tinton Falls, LE, BBL, Tri State, Patriot, Riot, Blue Star, add some teams in each year that maybe solid from other programs like Team 91, True, Jersey Express, Etc. and settle this like the big boy states MD and NY do.

This is not necessary, all you have to do is go to the USCL rankings. Only 2 clubs from NJ are listed in the top 20. Guess who they are.

Are you really quoting USCL? Come on, its one guy in Point Pleasant.
He has ties to Mad Dog, if they had more teams they would all be in the top 20. Watch their 2025 team won 2 maybe 3 games all year and he will have them raked in the top 20 and one of their wins was vs BBL in 100 deg heat after BBL had just played a game.
More power to him, he keeps people talking.

Hey take it easy. No need to be so angry. USCL is at least keeping lax scene interesting. So fine, you don't believe it its ranking. Now we're back to having all these club play each other to find out. I'm with the other guy, it's chances of happening is very slim. But you never know.

The rankings are a ridiculous, especially this year, and for what it's worth, I believe that USCL is loosely associated with DSM (Team 91), not Mad Dog. For the most part, the fact that the top teams in NJ do not play each other is unfortunate, it would be fun for the boys who have many friends on other clubs. Truth is, the players all know who the best teams/players are in each age group, and there is a lot of respect between these kids in that regard. If you really want to know who the best team is in NJ, take the top 2 or 3 kids from each of these clubs.

so you are saying there is massive dilution of talent in NJ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s get over to Apex or that place in Tinton Falls, LE, BBL, Tri State, Patriot, Riot, Blue Star, add some teams in each year that maybe solid from other programs like Team 91, True, Jersey Express, Etc. and settle this like the big boy states MD and NY do.

This is not necessary, all you have to do is go to the USCL rankings. Only 2 clubs from NJ are listed in the top 20. Guess who they are.

Are you really quoting USCL? Come on, its one guy in Point Pleasant.
He has ties to Mad Dog, if they had more teams they would all be in the top 20. Watch their 2025 team won 2 maybe 3 games all year and he will have them raked in the top 20 and one of their wins was vs BBL in 100 deg heat after BBL had just played a game.
More power to him, he keeps people talking.

Hey take it easy. No need to be so angry. USCL is at least keeping lax scene interesting. So fine, you don't believe it its ranking. Now we're back to having all these club play each other to find out. I'm with the other guy, it's chances of happening is very slim. But you never know.

The rankings are a ridiculous, especially this year, and for what it's worth, I believe that USCL is loosely associated with DSM (Team 91), not Mad Dog. For the most part, the fact that the top teams in NJ do not play each other is unfortunate, it would be fun for the boys who have many friends on other clubs. Truth is, the players all know who the best teams/players are in each age group, and there is a lot of respect between these kids in that regard. If you really want to know who the best team is in NJ, take the top 2 or 3 kids from each of these clubs.

USCL host a NJ only tournment and invite all the NJ clubs? He has the forum to get parents to apply pussure to the clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s get over to Apex or that place in Tinton Falls, LE, BBL, Tri State, Patriot, Riot, Blue Star, add some teams in each year that maybe solid from other programs like Team 91, True, Jersey Express, Etc. and settle this like the big boy states MD and NY do.

This is not necessary, all you have to do is go to the USCL rankings. Only 2 clubs from NJ are listed in the top 20. Guess who they are.

Are you really quoting USCL? Come on, its one guy in Point Pleasant.
He has ties to Mad Dog, if they had more teams they would all be in the top 20. Watch their 2025 team won 2 maybe 3 games all year and he will have them raked in the top 20 and one of their wins was vs BBL in 100 deg heat after BBL had just played a game.
More power to him, he keeps people talking.

Hey take it easy. No need to be so angry. USCL is at least keeping lax scene interesting. So fine, you don't believe it its ranking. Now we're back to having all these club play each other to find out. I'm with the other guy, it's chances of happening is very slim. But you never know.

The rankings are a ridiculous, especially this year, and for what it's worth, I believe that USCL is loosely associated with DSM (Team 91), not Mad Dog. For the most part, the fact that the top teams in NJ do not play each other is unfortunate, it would be fun for the boys who have many friends on other clubs. Truth is, the players all know who the best teams/players are in each age group, and there is a lot of respect between these kids in that regard. If you really want to know who the best team is in NJ, take the top 2 or 3 kids from each of these clubs.

so you are saying there is massive dilution of talent in NJ?

I think that goes without saying...

everybody gets a trophy! everybody makes the team. that's what you get now days. bleeding hearts and club directors laughing all the way to the bank to deposit your check for lil ricky!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s get over to Apex or that place in Tinton Falls, LE, BBL, Tri State, Patriot, Riot, Blue Star, add some teams in each year that maybe solid from other programs like Team 91, True, Jersey Express, Etc. and settle this like the big boy states MD and NY do.

This is not necessary, all you have to do is go to the USCL rankings. Only 2 clubs from NJ are listed in the top 20. Guess who they are.

Are you really quoting USCL? Come on, its one guy in Point Pleasant.
He has ties to Mad Dog, if they had more teams they would all be in the top 20. Watch their 2025 team won 2 maybe 3 games all year and he will have them raked in the top 20 and one of their wins was vs BBL in 100 deg heat after BBL had just played a game.
More power to him, he keeps people talking.

Hey take it easy. No need to be so angry. USCL is at least keeping lax scene interesting. So fine, you don't believe it its ranking. Now we're back to having all these club play each other to find out. I'm with the other guy, it's chances of happening is very slim. But you never know.

The rankings are a ridiculous, especially this year, and for what it's worth, I believe that USCL is loosely associated with DSM (Team 91), not Mad Dog. For the most part, the fact that the top teams in NJ do not play each other is unfortunate, it would be fun for the boys who have many friends on other clubs. Truth is, the players all know who the best teams/players are in each age group, and there is a lot of respect between these kids in that regard. If you really want to know who the best team is in NJ, take the top 2 or 3 kids from each of these clubs.

USCL host a NJ only tournment and invite all the NJ clubs? He has the forum to get parents to apply pussure to the clubs.

Dear USCL owner, If you're reading this, can you put out a feeler to all NJ clubs directors for a 'NJ Club Championship' tournament presented by USCL , hosted in NJ (Central?). I think this will be fun tourney. Plus no need to quarantine after and better yet no travel/hotel.

It would be fun! The ‘21 would be the most well rounded in my opinion With 3-4 teams in competitive games, ‘22 LE and Tri State would be competitive both beat really good teams this summer, no 5 star players on either team according to IL. ‘23 LE and Tri State clear top 2, I think Tri State added a couple of good players, I’m sure LE did too. ‘24 is where the fun starts have no idea who went where during tryouts, but there are always lots of changes going into 9th. LE certainly turns over going into 9th just not sure where they are coming from this year, heard BBL. Don’t follow ‘25 and below so I have no idea.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be fun! The ‘21 would be the most well rounded in my opinion With 3-4 teams in competitive games, ‘22 LE and Tri State would be competitive both beat really good teams this summer, no 5 star players on either team according to IL. ‘23 LE and Tri State clear top 2, I think Tri State added a couple of good players, I’m sure LE did too. ‘24 is where the fun starts have no idea who went where during tryouts, but there are always lots of changes going into 9th. LE certainly turns over going into 9th just not sure where they are coming from this year, heard BBL. Don’t follow ‘25 and below so I have no idea.

Awesome post. 24s being a transition year will be most interesting. 25's and 26's too since they are WSYL years (let's hope It doesn't get cancelled due to covid). Hope this happens somehow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be fun! The ‘21 would be the most well rounded in my opinion With 3-4 teams in competitive games, ‘22 LE and Tri State would be competitive both beat really good teams this summer, no 5 star players on either team according to IL. ‘23 LE and Tri State clear top 2, I think Tri State added a couple of good players, I’m sure LE did too. ‘24 is where the fun starts have no idea who went where during tryouts, but there are always lots of changes going into 9th. LE certainly turns over going into 9th just not sure where they are coming from this year, heard BBL. Don’t follow ‘25 and below so I have no idea.

2023 would probably be the most interesting age group, and not sure that LE and Tri-State are the "clear" top 2. You could make the argument for LE, they didn't win a lot of games, but they did play very good teams, so hard to get a handle on that team, Tri-State did not have any quality wins. That being said, tri-state may see some improvement with the SHP kids moving in, but that will not be a good sign for the current tri-state kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be fun! The ‘21 would be the most well rounded in my opinion With 3-4 teams in competitive games, ‘22 LE and Tri State would be competitive both beat really good teams this summer, no 5 star players on either team according to IL. ‘23 LE and Tri State clear top 2, I think Tri State added a couple of good players, I’m sure LE did too. ‘24 is where the fun starts have no idea who went where during tryouts, but there are always lots of changes going into 9th. LE certainly turns over going into 9th just not sure where they are coming from this year, heard BBL. Don’t follow ‘25 and below so I have no idea.

Awesome post. 24s being a transition year will be most interesting. 25's and 26's too since they are WSYL years (let's hope It doesn't get cancelled due to covid). Hope this happens somehow.

How about a darft for the Mad Dog National NJ kids!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be fun! The ‘21 would be the most well rounded in my opinion With 3-4 teams in competitive games, ‘22 LE and Tri State would be competitive both beat really good teams this summer, no 5 star players on either team according to IL. ‘23 LE and Tri State clear top 2, I think Tri State added a couple of good players, I’m sure LE did too. ‘24 is where the fun starts have no idea who went where during tryouts, but there are always lots of changes going into 9th. LE certainly turns over going into 9th just not sure where they are coming from this year, heard BBL. Don’t follow ‘25 and below so I have no idea.

2023 would probably be the most interesting age group, and not sure that LE and Tri-State are the "clear" top 2. You could make the argument for LE, they didn't win a lot of games, but they did play very good teams, so hard to get a handle on that team, Tri-State did not have any quality wins. That being said, tri-state may see some improvement with the SHP kids moving in, but that will not be a good sign for the current tri-state kids.

I wouldn't sleep on SHP this year. This will definitely funnel good players to Tristate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be fun! The ‘21 would be the most well rounded in my opinion With 3-4 teams in competitive games, ‘22 LE and Tri State would be competitive both beat really good teams this summer, no 5 star players on either team according to IL. ‘23 LE and Tri State clear top 2, I think Tri State added a couple of good players, I’m sure LE did too. ‘24 is where the fun starts have no idea who went where during tryouts, but there are always lots of changes going into 9th. LE certainly turns over going into 9th just not sure where they are coming from this year, heard BBL. Don’t follow ‘25 and below so I have no idea.

2023 would probably be the most interesting age group, and not sure that LE and Tri-State are the "clear" top 2. You could make the argument for LE, they didn't win a lot of games, but they did play very good teams, so hard to get a handle on that team, Tri-State did not have any quality wins. That being said, tri-state may see some improvement with the SHP kids moving in, but that will not be a good sign for the current tri-state kids.

I wouldn't sleep on SHP this year. This will definitely funnel good players to Tristate.

I wouldn't sleep on SHP parents, he could be out in two years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be fun! The ‘21 would be the most well rounded in my opinion With 3-4 teams in competitive games, ‘22 LE and Tri State would be competitive both beat really good teams this summer, no 5 star players on either team according to IL. ‘23 LE and Tri State clear top 2, I think Tri State added a couple of good players, I’m sure LE did too. ‘24 is where the fun starts have no idea who went where during tryouts, but there are always lots of changes going into 9th. LE certainly turns over going into 9th just not sure where they are coming from this year, heard BBL. Don’t follow ‘25 and below so I have no idea.

2023 would probably be the most interesting age group, and not sure that LE and Tri-State are the "clear" top 2. You could make the argument for LE, they didn't win a lot of games, but they did play very good teams, so hard to get a handle on that team, Tri-State did not have any quality wins. That being said, tri-state may see some improvement with the SHP kids moving in, but that will not be a good sign for the current tri-state kids.

I wouldn't sleep on SHP this year. This will definitely funnel good players to Tristate.

Maybe I was a little unclear, I think that the SHP kids will definitely help tri-state, I was simply responding to the suggestion that up until this point, they were the "clear" top 2...my other point was, and this goes back a bit in this forum, that some current tri-state kids may be seeing a lot of the sidelines as the SHP kids roll in, and perhaps be shown the door down the road. Obviously, club coaches have an incentive to get their kids recruited, good for the club...now mix that with a club director that has a vested interest in keeping his day job (i.e. getting kids recruited is good for SHP)..not suggesting that the club director would do this, but it could create an issue with the non-SHP parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be fun! The ‘21 would be the most well rounded in my opinion With 3-4 teams in competitive games, ‘22 LE and Tri State would be competitive both beat really good teams this summer, no 5 star players on either team according to IL. ‘23 LE and Tri State clear top 2, I think Tri State added a couple of good players, I’m sure LE did too. ‘24 is where the fun starts have no idea who went where during tryouts, but there are always lots of changes going into 9th. LE certainly turns over going into 9th just not sure where they are coming from this year, heard BBL. Don’t follow ‘25 and below so I have no idea.

Awesome post. 24s being a transition year will be most interesting. 25's and 26's too since they are WSYL years (let's hope It doesn't get cancelled due to covid). Hope this happens somehow.

How about a darft for the Mad Dog National NJ kids!

I say definitely put Maddog National.. they are mostly NJ kids so their team as it stands should be there.

My son tried out tristate and actually loved the tryout.Coaching at the tryout.

True. Good perspective.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son tried out tristate and actually loved the tryout.Coaching at the tryout.

Glad it worked out for you, best way to feel out whether a program is a good fit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be fun! The ‘21 would be the most well rounded in my opinion With 3-4 teams in competitive games, ‘22 LE and Tri State would be competitive both beat really good teams this summer, no 5 star players on either team according to IL. ‘23 LE and Tri State clear top 2, I think Tri State added a couple of good players, I’m sure LE did too. ‘24 is where the fun starts have no idea who went where during tryouts, but there are always lots of changes going into 9th. LE certainly turns over going into 9th just not sure where they are coming from this year, heard BBL. Don’t follow ‘25 and below so I have no idea.

Awesome post. 24s being a transition year will be most interesting. 25's and 26's too since they are WSYL years (let's hope It doesn't get cancelled due to covid). Hope this happens somehow.

How about a darft for the Mad Dog National NJ kids!

I say definitely put Maddog National.. they are mostly NJ kids so their team as it stands should be there.

Not accouding to their website 11 CA/TX kids to 2 NJ committed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be fun! The ‘21 would be the most well rounded in my opinion With 3-4 teams in competitive games, ‘22 LE and Tri State would be competitive both beat really good teams this summer, no 5 star players on either team according to IL. ‘23 LE and Tri State clear top 2, I think Tri State added a couple of good players, I’m sure LE did too. ‘24 is where the fun starts have no idea who went where during tryouts, but there are always lots of changes going into 9th. LE certainly turns over going into 9th just not sure where they are coming from this year, heard BBL. Don’t follow ‘25 and below so I have no idea.

2023 would probably be the most interesting age group, and not sure that LE and Tri-State are the "clear" top 2. You could make the argument for LE, they didn't win a lot of games, but they did play very good teams, so hard to get a handle on that team, Tri-State did not have any quality wins. That being said, tri-state may see some improvement with the SHP kids moving in, but that will not be a good sign for the current tri-state kids.

Agreed. 2023 is an interesting group in NJ.

LE 2023 is not an elite team. They have 1-2 kids that are elite but they do not play well together. It's a team of individuals and they won't ever do well in the NLF. Very low IQ. Stock is a sell.

Tri-State 2023 plays well together and will continue given the SHP connection. Expect them to rise. Stock is a buy.

Blue Star is solid, under the radar. Not the best athletes but team is full of lacrosse players with IQ. Not elite but very good - another buy.

BBL is decent- hold.

Riot is a work in progress. South shore too. Too soon to call.

Overall, 2023 NJ club lax has the most parity.

2025 USCL rankings have 2 NJ teams in the top 20. I know this will trigger some of you but having 2 jersey teams up there is good for NJ lax. Im surprised Express CoachC is not #1. That team is probably the best team I've seen play at that age group. Their brand of lax, the way they move the ball, is amazing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2025 USCL rankings have 2 NJ teams in the top 20. I know this will trigger some of you but having 2 jersey teams up there is good for NJ lax. Im surprised Express CoachC is not #1. That team is probably the best team I've seen play at that age group. Their brand of lax, the way they move the ball, is amazing.

Yes, def good for NJ lax to have two top 20 squads regardless of ranking validity. Even those who cry and complain about these rankings are obviously looking a them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be fun! The ‘21 would be the most well rounded in my opinion With 3-4 teams in competitive games, ‘22 LE and Tri State would be competitive both beat really good teams this summer, no 5 star players on either team according to IL. ‘23 LE and Tri State clear top 2, I think Tri State added a couple of good players, I’m sure LE did too. ‘24 is where the fun starts have no idea who went where during tryouts, but there are always lots of changes going into 9th. LE certainly turns over going into 9th just not sure where they are coming from this year, heard BBL. Don’t follow ‘25 and below so I have no idea.

2023 would probably be the most interesting age group, and not sure that LE and Tri-State are the "clear" top 2. You could make the argument for LE, they didn't win a lot of games, but they did play very good teams, so hard to get a handle on that team, Tri-State did not have any quality wins. That being said, tri-state may see some improvement with the SHP kids moving in, but that will not be a good sign for the current tri-state kids.

Agreed. 2023 is an interesting group in NJ.

LE 2023 is not an elite team. They have 1-2 kids that are elite but they do not play well together. It's a team of individuals and they won't ever do well in the NLF. Very low IQ. Stock is a sell.

Tri-State 2023 plays well together and will continue given the SHP connection. Expect them to rise. Stock is a buy.

Blue Star is solid, under the radar. Not the best athletes but team is full of lacrosse players with IQ. Not elite but very good - another buy.

BBL is decent- hold.

Riot is a work in progress. South shore too. Too soon to call.

Overall, 2023 NJ club lax has the most parity.

This is actually pretty well thought out. I would also add that each team probably has at least 2 elite players, too bad they couldn't get them all on the UA team, would have been fun to watch.

Have u watched a game of lacrosse this summer? The kids who don’t make leading edge go to tri state. It’s just funny how they’ve beat prime time, triple H, Laxachusets black, and 1 goal games to igloo, shore to shore, and hawks. If tri state took a break from playing no name teams and played these teams it’d be sad. I don’t know where you’re getting this info.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have u watched a game of lacrosse this summer? The kids who don’t make leading edge go to tri state. It’s just funny how they’ve beat prime time, triple H, Laxachusets black, and 1 goal games to igloo, shore to shore, and hawks. If tri state took a break from playing no name teams and played these teams it’d be sad. I don’t know where you’re getting this info.

detest to burst your bubble, but kids really do not flock to LE like they used to...and as far as watching a game of lacrosse this summer, saw plenty of LE at NAL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have u watched a game of lacrosse this summer? The kids who don’t make leading edge go to tri state. It’s just funny how they’ve beat prime time, triple H, Laxachusets black, and 1 goal games to igloo, shore to shore, and hawks. If tri state took a break from playing no name teams and played these teams it’d be sad. I don’t know where you’re getting this info.

detest to burst your bubble, but kids really do not flock to LE like they used to...and as far as watching a game of lacrosse this summer, saw plenty of LE at NAL.

Can you say Blue Star RFH Daddy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have u watched a game of lacrosse this summer? The kids who don’t make leading edge go to tri state. It’s just funny how they’ve beat prime time, triple H, Laxachusets black, and 1 goal games to igloo, shore to shore, and hawks. If tri state took a break from playing no name teams and played these teams it’d be sad. I don’t know where you’re getting this info.

Watched 4 games of LE '23, my son's friend is on the team. They have great athletes, but I did see them throw the ball all over the field and the games I watched the other teams were better (they lost all 4). The best player is a SHP kid at LSM/D. Have good size at D, small on O. No NJ teams at this age group are close to the best LI and MD teams, but should be better than the PA an CT teams in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have u watched a game of lacrosse this summer? The kids who don’t make leading edge go to tri state. It’s just funny how they’ve beat prime time, triple H, Laxachusets black, and 1 goal games to igloo, shore to shore, and hawks. If tri state took a break from playing no name teams and played these teams it’d be sad. I don’t know where you’re getting this info.

detest to burst your bubble, but kids really do not flock to LE like they used to...and as far as watching a game of lacrosse this summer, saw plenty of LE at NAL.

Can you say Blue Star RFH Daddy!

No connection to Bluestar or RFH, and sorry that reality hurts, but stop coming on here pumping your chest about LE, they are a good team, but will continue struggle against the competition they are playing. There is not going to be some miracle player that will come along and make the team exponentially better. Sure they may add a kid here or there, but so will their competition. I agree with the poster above that the team seems to lack chemistry and it shows on the field, and it is glaring when you watch them play a team like Igloo or Hawks. If you would just come on here with a little modesty and acknowledge that there is room for improvement on the team, you definitely would not get the same reaction, unfortunately, all we get is LE is the best, we can beat anyone in NJ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have u watched a game of lacrosse this summer? The kids who don’t make leading edge go to tri state. It’s just funny how they’ve beat prime time, triple H, Laxachusets black, and 1 goal games to igloo, shore to shore, and hawks. If tri state took a break from playing no name teams and played these teams it’d be sad. I don’t know where you’re getting this info.

Dude, the 1 goal game argument is lame. Losing is losing. You can't pick and choose your moral victories. And yes, saw them play. Not a good team. Big? Yes, they have that advantage. Good at lacrosse? No, and they are likely not going to improve much. Kids have peaked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have u watched a game of lacrosse this summer? The kids who don’t make leading edge go to tri state. It’s just funny how they’ve beat prime time, triple H, Laxachusets black, and 1 goal games to igloo, shore to shore, and hawks. If tri state took a break from playing no name teams and played these teams it’d be sad. I don’t know where you’re getting this info.

Dude, the 1 goal game argument is lame. Losing is losing. You can't pick and choose your moral victories. And yes, saw them play. Not a good team. Big? Yes, they have that advantage. Good at lacrosse? No, and they are likely not going to improve much. Kids have peaked.

So the LE debate is pretty tired at this point.

Honest question here. Which is more important? The High School team or the Club team? Leaving parameters vague to invite discussion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the LE debate is pretty tired at this point.

Honest question here. Which is more important? The High School team or the Club team? Leaving parameters vague to invite discussion.

Club is important for recruiting but in the long run, HS is where they develop and it will be what they remember.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the LE debate is pretty tired at this point.

Honest question here. Which is more important? The High School team or the Club team? Leaving parameters vague to invite discussion.

Club is important for recruiting but in the long run, HS is where they develop and it will be what they remember.

Club for college, many ‘22s are getting offers without playing much varsity lacrosse. HS is fun, more about the team and wining games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the LE debate is pretty tired at this point.

Honest question here. Which is more important? The High School team or the Club team? Leaving parameters vague to invite discussion.

Club is important for recruiting but in the long run, HS is where they develop and it will be what they remember.

Club for college, many ‘22s are getting offers without playing much varsity lacrosse. HS is fun, more about the team and wining games.

I think a lot of it depends on the high school. Schools like Delbarton and SHP do play out of state against some of the top teams in the country, so there is probably a certain level of added exposure, but for the typical high school program, I would agree with the above. Of course other schools that have good track records probably get attention, i.e. Westfield, Ridgewood, Summit, etc.

Who are the 2026 Towermen? Is this a new NJ club? Saw they are highly ranked and they have a kid on their team that looks like he could play on a 2024 team and looks like he is still going to grow.

Re Towermen

A couple of parents/kids left Dark Knights (based out of Clark) and have pulled together a lot of talented kids from round the state to form the team.

That is not wholly accurate. Towermen was born out of Ridgewood and has accrued boys from all over. Highlands Mahwah Mountain Lakes Strong/balanced team

They have kids from all over north jersey including Summit, Maplewood, Clark, Mtn Lakes, Ridgewood.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is not wholly accurate. Towermen was born out of Ridgewood and has accrued boys from all over. Highlands Mahwah Mountain Lakes Strong/balanced team

Teams vs Programs. In a few years we will see what happens when the top kids try out for Leading Edge (or another big team) knowing it’s their best path to college lax.

Cream always rises. Clubs aren’t the holy grail. The best kids in the state will always be found.

The big clubs will have you believe that you need them to get recruited. They can certainly help but there are other ways to be seen including showcases and prospect days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cream always rises. Clubs aren’t the holy grail. The best kids in the state will always be found.

Said by a parent with a 7th grader.

Says the owner of a club who is concerned when other good teams are established.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Says the owner of a club who is concerned when other good teams are established.

Not at all, the top clubs want you creating great teams. It allows them to roll in when your team is about to start high school and cherry pick the top players. The first kids to jump are your coaches kids. Shore Stars was the best 2023 team in the state as 4th, 5th & 6th graders. Where are the coaches kids now? LE & Blue Star. Mad Dog Black was the best NJ team as 3rd, 4th, 5th & 6th graders. We won 3 games this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Says the owner of a club who is concerned when other good teams are established.

Not at all, the top clubs want you creating great teams. It allows them to roll in when your team is about to start high school and cherry pick the top players. The first kids to jump are your coaches kids. Shore Stars was the best 2023 team in the state as 4th, 5th & 6th graders. Where are the coaches kids now? LE & Blue Star. Mad Dog Black was the best NJ team as 3rd, 4th, 5th & 6th graders. We won 3 games this summer.

The Shore Stars 2023 team that transitioned into Tri-State Shore was really solid...too bad the club let that team fall apart. While LE got a few kids, Bluestar got some very good players out of the deal. Of course, everybody would love to have the top kid that stayed at tri-state.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Towermen

A couple of parents/kids left Dark Knights (based out of Clark) and have pulled together a lot of talented kids from round the state to form the team.

Towermen started in Ridgewood and then added kids from Mahwah, Highlands and Rockland County kids. That was the core of the original team. Basically a Northern Bergen Southern Rockland team. Last year they added some Dark Knight kids and some kids from Mountain Lakes. This year they got an influx of kids from Summit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Towermen

A couple of parents/kids left Dark Knights (based out of Clark) and have pulled together a lot of talented kids from round the state to form the team.

Towermen started in Ridgewood and then added kids from Mahwah, Highlands and Rockland County kids. That was the core of the original team. Basically a Northern Bergen Southern Rockland team. Last year they added some Dark Knight kids and some kids from Mountain Lakes. This year they got an influx of kids from Summit.

The inclusion of the Dark Knights kids changed this team into an elite team. The Dark Knights provided Towermen with a goalie which Towermen did not have, as well as a star Defender and the big LSM. The Mountain Lakes and Summit kids gave them more depth at attack, middie and goalie and made them even better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Towermen

A couple of parents/kids left Dark Knights (based out of Clark) and have pulled together a lot of talented kids from round the state to form the team.

Towermen started in Ridgewood and then added kids from Mahwah, Highlands and Rockland County kids. That was the core of the original team. Basically a Northern Bergen Southern Rockland team. Last year they added some Dark Knight kids and some kids from Mountain Lakes. This year they got an influx of kids from Summit.

The inclusion of the Dark Knights kids changed this team into an elite team. The Dark Knights provided Towermen with a goalie which Towermen did not have, as well as a star Defender and the big LSM. The Mountain Lakes and Summit kids gave them more depth at attack, middie and goalie and made them even better.

The inclusion of new kids will help but Towermen were a top notch team and won several tournaments
even before the addition of Dark Knights.

The inclusion of the Dark Knights kids changed this team into an elite team. The Dark Knights provided Towermen with a goalie which Towermen did not have, as well as a star Defender and the big LSM. The Mountain Lakes and Summit kids gave them more depth at attack, middie and goalie and made them even better.[/quote]

The inclusion of new kids will help but Towermen were a top notch team and won several tournaments
even before the addition of Dark Knights.[/quote]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves yet, looks like they came in last at NAL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Towermen

A couple of parents/kids left Dark Knights (based out of Clark) and have pulled together a lot of talented kids from round the state to form the team.

Towermen started in Ridgewood and then added kids from Mahwah, Highlands and Rockland County kids. That was the core of the original team. Basically a Northern Bergen Southern Rockland team. Last year they added some Dark Knight kids and some kids from Mountain Lakes. This year they got an influx of kids from Summit.

The inclusion of the Dark Knights kids changed this team into an elite team. The Dark Knights provided Towermen with a goalie which Towermen did not have, as well as a star Defender and the big LSM. The Mountain Lakes and Summit kids gave them more depth at attack, middie and goalie and made them even better.

Older kids parent from NJ here with a little experience but A+ for self hype here TM coach.Prediction all your players will be at New Jersey Express, LE or BBL by spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Towermen

A couple of parents/kids left Dark Knights (based out of Clark) and have pulled together a lot of talented kids from round the state to form the team.

Towermen started in Ridgewood and then added kids from Mahwah, Highlands and Rockland County kids. That was the core of the original team. Basically a Northern Bergen Southern Rockland team. Last year they added some Dark Knight kids and some kids from Mountain Lakes. This year they got an influx of kids from Summit.

The inclusion of the Dark Knights kids changed this team into an elite team. The Dark Knights provided Towermen with a goalie which Towermen did not have, as well as a star Defender and the big LSM. The Mountain Lakes and Summit kids gave them more depth at attack, middie and goalie and made them even better.

Older kids parent from NJ here with a little experience but A+ for self hype here TM coach.Prediction all your players will be at New Jersey Express, LE or BBL by spring.

Maybe not by spring, but my prediction is no Towermen team by summer of 22. At that time, HS recruiting will pick up for the 26 crowd and these players will go to teams with a track record of recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The inclusion of the Dark Knights kids changed this team into an elite team. The Dark Knights provided Towermen with a goalie which Towermen did not have, as well as a star Defender and the big LSM. The Mountain Lakes and Summit kids gave them more depth at attack, middie and goalie and made them even better.

The inclusion of new kids will help but Towermen were a top notch team and won several tournaments
even before the addition of Dark Knights.[/quote]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves yet, looks like they came in last at NAL?[/quote]

Why should finishing last stop the Towermen coach from coming on this page to hype his 7th grade team. Let's see that talk in 4 years.

2022 Count!
Tri-State - still posting players highlights
BBL - ???
LE - Yale, Duke & Bucknell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 Count!
Tri-State - still posting players highlights
BBL - ???
LE - Yale, Duke & Bucknell

Probably a little early to make a call on any club with the 2022 class... but these kids were going to have the same results no matter what club they were on, they are just really good lacrosse players. Moreover, I do not think that LE can take any credit for developing these kids, they just aggregated them onto a team. What will be more telling is how LE fares in the next few years now that the competition has caught up in NJ. As is evident with the LE 2023 team, they are not drawing the best 2023 kids in the state, this trend will continue as time goes on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 Count!
Tri-State - still posting players highlights
BBL - ???
LE - Yale, Duke & Bucknell

Probably a little early to make a call on any club with the 2022 class... but these kids were going to have the same results no matter what club they were on, they are just really good lacrosse players. Moreover, I do not think that LE can take any credit for developing these kids, they just aggregated them onto a team. What will be more telling is how LE fares in the next few years now that the competition has caught up in NJ. As is evident with the LE 2023 team, they are not drawing the best 2023 kids in the state, this trend will continue as time goes on.

The clubs are recruiting machines and until another club has more top recruits than LE, they will continue to be top dog.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 Count!
Tri-State - still posting players highlights
BBL - ???
LE - Yale, Duke & Bucknell

Probably a little early to make a call on any club with the 2022 class... but these kids were going to have the same results no matter what club they were on, they are just really good lacrosse players. Moreover, I do not think that LE can take any credit for developing these kids, they just aggregated them onto a team. What will be more telling is how LE fares in the next few years now that the competition has caught up in NJ. As is evident with the LE 2023 team, they are not drawing the best 2023 kids in the state, this trend will continue as time goes on.

The clubs are recruiting machines and until another club has more top recruits than LE, they will continue to be top dog.

I guess that's why kids left LE this year, when did that ever happen in the past...and not cut, left...time will tell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 Count!
Tri-State - still posting players highlights
BBL - ???
LE - Yale, Duke & Bucknell

Probably a little early to make a call on any club with the 2022 class... but these kids were going to have the same results no matter what club they were on, they are just really good lacrosse players. Moreover, I do not think that LE can take any credit for developing these kids, they just aggregated them onto a team. What will be more telling is how LE fares in the next few years now that the competition has caught up in NJ. As is evident with the LE 2023 team, they are not drawing the best 2023 kids in the state, this trend will continue as time goes on.

The clubs are recruiting machines and until another club has more top recruits than LE, they will continue to be top dog.

I guess that's why kids left LE this year, when did that ever happen in the past...and not cut, left...time will tell

At what age group did players leave? Not drawing the best 2023? please provide examples!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 Count!
Tri-State - still posting players highlights
BBL - ???
LE - Yale, Duke & Bucknell

Probably a little early to make a call on any club with the 2022 class... but these kids were going to have the same results no matter what club they were on, they are just really good lacrosse players. Moreover, I do not think that LE can take any credit for developing these kids, they just aggregated them onto a team. What will be more telling is how LE fares in the next few years now that the competition has caught up in NJ. As is evident with the LE 2023 team, they are not drawing the best 2023 kids in the state, this trend will continue as time goes on.

Your statement makes them an even better club. They "aren't drawing the best kids" but are placing more players!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 Count!
Tri-State - still posting players highlights
BBL - ???
LE - Yale, Duke & Bucknell

Probably a little early to make a call on any club with the 2022 class... but these kids were going to have the same results no matter what club they were on, they are just really good lacrosse players. Moreover, I do not think that LE can take any credit for developing these kids, they just aggregated them onto a team. What will be more telling is how LE fares in the next few years now that the competition has caught up in NJ. As is evident with the LE 2023 team, they are not drawing the best 2023 kids in the state, this trend will continue as time goes on.

The clubs are recruiting machines and until another club has more top recruits than LE, they will continue to be top dog.

Good kids left but not the top kids there is a difference

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 Count!
Tri-State - still posting players highlights
BBL - ???
LE - Yale, Duke & Bucknell

Probably a little early to make a call on any club with the 2022 class... but these kids were going to have the same results no matter what club they were on, they are just really good lacrosse players. Moreover, I do not think that LE can take any credit for developing these kids, they just aggregated them onto a team. What will be more telling is how LE fares in the next few years now that the competition has caught up in NJ. As is evident with the LE 2023 team, they are not drawing the best 2023 kids in the state, this trend will continue as time goes on.

Your statement makes them an even better club. They "aren't drawing the best kids" but are placing more players!

What 2023 players have been placed? You must be thinking 2022. Also, the club doesn't "place" the players. The players earn it themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2022 Count!
Tri-State - still posting players highlights
BBL - ???
LE - Yale, Duke & Bucknell

Probably a little early to make a call on any club with the 2022 class... but these kids were going to have the same results no matter what club they were on, they are just really good lacrosse players. Moreover, I do not think that LE can take any credit for developing these kids, they just aggregated them onto a team. What will be more telling is how LE fares in the next few years now that the competition has caught up in NJ. As is evident with the LE 2023 team, they are not drawing the best 2023 kids in the state, this trend will continue as time goes on.

Your statement makes them an even better club. They "aren't drawing the best kids" but are placing more players!

What 2023 players have been placed? You must be thinking 2022. Also, the club doesn't "place" the players. The players earn it themselves.[/quote

C'mon already, go look at 2021 recruits for Tri-State, or even Bluestar, LE is not doing anything special, as stated by the poster above, these kids earned it

Did Mad Dog NJ drop their 2024 team? There were alot of gold mad dog helmets at 2024 LE pratice yeaterday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Mad Dog NJ drop their 2024 team? There were alot of gold mad dog helmets at 2024 LE pratice yeaterday.

yep. sad situation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Mad Dog NJ drop their 2024 team? There were alot of gold mad dog helmets at 2024 LE pratice yeaterday.

yep. sad situation.

Seems like the Mad Dog parents get duped into thinking LE will be their savior. Same thing happened with the 2023s and see how that turned out. Not exactly a juggernaut.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Mad Dog NJ drop their 2024 team? There were alot of gold mad dog helmets at 2024 LE pratice yeaterday.

yep. sad situation.

Seems like the Mad Dog parents get duped into thinking LE will be their savior. Same thing happened with the 2023s and see how that turned out. Not exactly a juggernaut.

Exactly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Mad Dog NJ drop their 2024 team? There were alot of gold mad dog helmets at 2024 LE pratice yeaterday.

yep. sad situation.

Seems like the Mad Dog parents get duped into thinking LE will be their savior. Same thing happened with the 2023s and see how that turned out. Not exactly a juggernaut.

You have Mad Dog kids playing for Blue Star, Tri-State, NJLC, United & LE. Sounds more like parents got duped into thinking Mad Dog was something it wasn't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Mad Dog NJ drop their 2024 team? There were alot of gold mad dog helmets at 2024 LE pratice yeaterday.

yep. sad situation.

Seems like the Mad Dog parents get duped into thinking LE will be their savior. Same thing happened with the 2023s and see how that turned out. Not exactly a juggernaut.

You have Mad Dog kids playing for Blue Star, Tri-State, NJLC, United & LE. Sounds more like parents got duped into thinking Mad Dog was something it wasn't.

There was really no way that the top kids were staying, too much instability with the program, and once they left, no way the rest of the pack was staying. Same situation as the 2023 team. Plus, United runs a great program right up the street. Mad Dog NJ got a lot of press with that 2021 National team because it included a ton of local kids, but that shipped has sailed. Bluestar has been pulling a bunch of shore area kids as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 Count!
Tri-State - still posting players highlights
BBL - ???
LE - Yale, Duke & Bucknell

Probably a little early to make a call on any club with the 2022 class... but these kids were going to have the same results no matter what club they were on, they are just really good lacrosse players. Moreover, I do not think that LE can take any credit for developing these kids, they just aggregated them onto a team. What will be more telling is how LE fares in the next few years now that the competition has caught up in NJ. As is evident with the LE 2023 team, they are not drawing the best 2023 kids in the state, this trend will continue as time goes on.

Your statement makes them an even better club. They "aren't drawing the best kids" but are placing more players!

BBL 2022 - North Carolina, Providence, Air Force

What are people spending per year on lacrosse? This year might have been a little different but we were at $4500 for club (Fall,winter,summer) plus $500 for HS team (for tournaments since we didn’t have season). We didn’t do any showcases and that doesn’t include travel expenses or equipment. Could easily add and extra couple of thousand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are people spending per year on lacrosse? This year might have been a little different but we were at $4500 for club (Fall,winter,summer) plus $500 for HS team (for tournaments since we didn’t have season). We didn’t do any showcases and that doesn’t include travel expenses or equipment. Could easily add and extra couple of thousand.

Seems a little high! Your HS team charges you $500 to play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are people spending per year on lacrosse? This year might have been a little different but we were at $4500 for club (Fall,winter,summer) plus $500 for HS team (for tournaments since we didn’t have season). We didn’t do any showcases and that doesn’t include travel expenses or equipment. Could easily add and extra couple of thousand.

Seems a little high! Your HS team charges you $500 to play?

That's NYC money right there.

Anyone going to National All Star game? Curious to see how you think NJ stacks up in the 21,22,23 groups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone going to National All Star game? Curious to see how you think NJ stacks up in the 21,22,23 groups.

Not all the best NJ kids so not sure anyone cares

This is a ridiculous post. Lots of good kids at good clubs. Tri-state has Colgate and Hofstra. I am sure all 3 clubs will have more, no doubt. And good for the KIDS during a tough year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone going to National All Star game? Curious to see how you think NJ stacks up in the 21,22,23 groups.

Nope, just another waste of $$$ 2022 is the only level that has a shot. These are basically LE teams with a few Steps kids added. 2023s are weak as evedent by going 0-3. Beware the money grab that is Leading Edge. It's coming back to bite them. 2024 squad is even worse.

Is box lacrosse allowed to practice inside? There is a place in Morristown permitting that so checking

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone going to National All Star game? Curious to see how you think NJ stacks up in the 21,22,23 groups.

Nope, just another waste of $$$ 2022 is the only level that has a shot. These are basically LE teams with a few Steps kids added. 2023s are weak as evedent by going 0-3. Beware the money grab that is Leading Edge. It's coming back to bite them. 2024 squad is even worse.

That LE 2024 squad went 0-3 today. We watched one of their games. embarrassing for NJ. No business playing top LI teams.

The 2023 team (mostly LE) went 0-4 at NLF all star game. Even lost to the south! 2022 did well, 2021 2-2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone going to National All Star game? Curious to see how you think NJ stacks up in the 21,22,23 groups.

Nope, just another waste of $$$ 2022 is the only level that has a shot. These are basically LE teams with a few Steps kids added. 2023s are weak as evedent by going 0-3. Beware the money grab that is Leading Edge. It's coming back to bite them. 2024 squad is even worse.

That LE 2024 squad went 0-3 today. We watched one of their games. embarrassing for NJ. No business playing top LI teams.

Oof, that's ugly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone going to National All Star game? Curious to see how you think NJ stacks up in the 21,22,23 groups.

Nope, just another waste of $$$ 2022 is the only level that has a shot. These are basically LE teams with a few Steps kids added. 2023s are weak as evedent by going 0-3. Beware the money grab that is Leading Edge. It's coming back to bite them. 2024 squad is even worse.

That LE 2024 squad went 0-3 today. We watched one of their games. embarrassing for NJ. No business playing top LI teams.

Oof, that's ugly.

I'm not sure they can beat some of the teams in the B bracket

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone going to National All Star game? Curious to see how you think NJ stacks up in the 21,22,23 groups.

Nope, just another waste of $$$ 2022 is the only level that has a shot. These are basically LE teams with a few Steps kids added. 2023s are weak as evedent by going 0-3. Beware the money grab that is Leading Edge. It's coming back to bite them. 2024 squad is even worse.

2026 team looks good. They went 3-0 against top notch competition this weekend and have made their case for being the best 2026 team in NJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone going to National All Star game? Curious to see how you think NJ stacks up in the 21,22,23 groups.

Nope, just another waste of $$$ 2022 is the only level that has a shot. These are basically LE teams with a few Steps kids added. 2023s are weak as evedent by going 0-3. Beware the money grab that is Leading Edge. It's coming back to bite them. 2024 squad is even worse.

2026 team looks good. They went 3-0 against top notch competition this weekend and have made their case for being the best 2026 team in NJ.

Slow your roll, they played B teams. It's great they went 3-0 but the only teams that played AA teams last weekend was the LE 25 and 24 teams. Both got beat but got better. I think the 2025 team played a b team last game and won by 13.
NJ teams never beat the top LI teams in the Fall. Losing by less than 4 is a postive. NJ teams only practice once a week and 90% of the kids play football, hockey or that other sport.
LI teams play a differnt game. They practice 2 to 3 times a week and play a Tom Izzo style, goalie has the ball in his stick less than 4 secods and he is hitting a middie in transition. LI kids never give up anther check is always coming.
It will take a mind shift to compete with LI teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone going to National All Star game? Curious to see how you think NJ stacks up in the 21,22,23 groups.

Nope, just another waste of $$$ 2022 is the only level that has a shot. These are basically LE teams with a few Steps kids added. 2023s are weak as evedent by going 0-3. Beware the money grab that is Leading Edge. It's coming back to bite them. 2024 squad is even worse.

2026 team looks good. They went 3-0 against top notch competition this weekend and have made their case for being the best 2026 team in NJ.

Slow your roll, they played B teams. It's great they went 3-0 but the only teams that played AA teams last weekend was the LE 25 and 24 teams. Both got beat but got better. I think the 2025 team played a b team last game and won by 13.
NJ teams never beat the top LI teams in the Fall. Losing by less than 4 is a postive. NJ teams only practice once a week and 90% of the kids play football, hockey or that other sport.
LI teams play a differnt game. They practice 2 to 3 times a week and play a Tom Izzo style, goalie has the ball in his stick less than 4 secods and he is hitting a middie in transition. LI kids never give up anther check is always coming.
It will take a mind shift to compete with LI teams.

Counted exactly 6 excuses. Has to be a new low (or high). But hey, they will all be D1 recruits. Should have been you in the debate last night.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone going to National All Star game? Curious to see how you think NJ stacks up in the 21,22,23 groups.

Nope, just another waste of $$$ 2022 is the only level that has a shot. These are basically LE teams with a few Steps kids added. 2023s are weak as evedent by going 0-3. Beware the money grab that is Leading Edge. It's coming back to bite them. 2024 squad is even worse.

2026 team looks good. They went 3-0 against top notch competition this weekend and have made their case for being the best 2026 team in NJ.

Slow your roll, they played B teams. It's great they went 3-0 but the only teams that played AA teams last weekend was the LE 25 and 24 teams. Both got beat but got better. I think the 2025 team played a b team last game and won by 13.
NJ teams never beat the top LI teams in the Fall. Losing by less than 4 is a postive. NJ teams only practice once a week and 90% of the kids play football, hockey or that other sport.
LI teams play a differnt game. They practice 2 to 3 times a week and play a Tom Izzo style, goalie has the ball in his stick less than 4 secods and he is hitting a middie in transition. LI kids never give up anther check is always coming.
It will take a mind shift to compete with LI teams.

Counted exactly 6 excuses. Has to be a new low (or high). But hey, they will all be D1 recruits. Should have been you in the debate last night.

Snor. Don't you guys have anything better to do. The talent is spread out over a lot of teams in New Jersey. Good and bad things can be said about all of the NJ clubs. If you want the shine of a certain club - enjoy. The best kids - are the best kids and will be recruited in the end.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone going to National All Star game? Curious to see how you think NJ stacks up in the 21,22,23 groups.

Nope, just another waste of $$$ 2022 is the only level that has a shot. These are basically LE teams with a few Steps kids added. 2023s are weak as evedent by going 0-3. Beware the money grab that is Leading Edge. It's coming back to bite them. 2024 squad is even worse.

2026 team looks good. They went 3-0 against top notch competition this weekend and have made their case for being the best 2026 team in NJ.

Slow your roll, they played B teams. It's great they went 3-0 but the only teams that played AA teams last weekend was the LE 25 and 24 teams. Both got beat but got better. I think the 2025 team played a b team last game and won by 13.
NJ teams never beat the top LI teams in the Fall. Losing by less than 4 is a postive. NJ teams only practice once a week and 90% of the kids play football, hockey or that other sport.
LI teams play a differnt game. They practice 2 to 3 times a week and play a Tom Izzo style, goalie has the ball in his stick less than 4 secods and he is hitting a middie in transition. LI kids never give up anther check is always coming.
It will take a mind shift to compete with LI teams.

Counted exactly 6 excuses. Has to be a new low (or high). But hey, they will all be D1 recruits. Should have been you in the debate last night.

No excuses, its a fact top LI teams are better than top NJ teams.

This is to the individual who posted about the LE 2024's. Before I respond, I must say this site has become childish where people argue back and forth over BBL and Leading Edge. It's as bad as Trump Biden. Everyone grow up and respond intelligently. Both Clubs have strengths and weaknesses. No one really cares about any team rankings until they reach the end of the summer season during their Freshman year; except the darn parents!

My first question is were you even there? If your on the NJ forum, I would assume your from NJ but there were no other NJ teams there when the 2024 's played. Did you drive all the way to Tinton Falls just to come watch?

The 2024's lost two games by 4 goals and one game by 5. They were in every game, Legacy probably dominated them a little more, they were 3-3 at halftime against Team 91. All the teams LE played were the exact same teams as the summer; their Attack and Middies did not change at all. Not Leading Edge though who has like 10 new kids, all of whom are upgrades from last summer when they lost to Team 91 (7-6) and Express (8-7). So to say they shouldn't be playing the LI teams is ludicrous. They play them all the time and will continue to do so and will have a chance to beat them in 2021.

LE had no set plays!!! Two practices!! The offense turned over so many new kids it was impossible to even run a play from last summer (which falls on the coaches for not getting a few in before this playday.) Likewise, this was the first time they got to see the new kids, so they played a little more. The defense looked good. The team was missing a starting defender and their best offensive player, who has a chance to be ranked very high in the nation once the age group is graded, is out until next year. Not an excuse but missing the best player who scored almost 40 goals last summer hurts.

The fall is to prepare for the summer. Yes, everyone likes to win but this a whole new team who will have to get used to each other. I'll revisit this next July/August 2021.

Good luck to everyone and I hope they let the tourneys go for this fall!!!

GCRL99

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is to the individual who posted about the LE 2024's. Before I respond, I must say this site has become childish where people argue back and forth over BBL and Leading Edge. It's as bad as Trump Biden. Everyone grow up and respond intelligently. Both Clubs have strengths and weaknesses. No one really cares about any team rankings until they reach the end of the summer season during their Freshman year; except the darn parents!

My first question is were you even there? If your on the NJ forum, I would assume your from NJ but there were no other NJ teams there when the 2024 's played. Did you drive all the way to Tinton Falls just to come watch?

The 2024's lost two games by 4 goals and one game by 5. They were in every game, Legacy probably dominated them a little more, they were 3-3 at halftime against Team 91. All the teams LE played were the exact same teams as the summer; their Attack and Middies did not change at all. Not Leading Edge though who has like 10 new kids, all of whom are upgrades from last summer when they lost to Team 91 (7-6) and Express (8-7). So to say they shouldn't be playing the LI teams is ludicrous. They play them all the time and will continue to do so and will have a chance to beat them in 2021.

LE had no set plays!!! Two practices!! The offense turned over so many new kids it was impossible to even run a play from last summer (which falls on the coaches for not getting a few in before this playday.) Likewise, this was the first time they got to see the new kids, so they played a little more. The defense looked good. The team was missing a starting defender and their best offensive player, who has a chance to be ranked very high in the nation once the age group is graded, is out until next year. Not an excuse but missing the best player who scored almost 40 goals last summer hurts.

The fall is to prepare for the summer. Yes, everyone likes to win but this a whole new team who will have to get used to each other. I'll revisit this next July/August 2021.

Good luck to everyone and I hope they let the tourneys go for this fall!!!

GCRL99

This is extreme wishful thinking. Good luck

All gibberish aside which NJ team has the most focused and institutionalized recruiting efforts for the HS sophomores plus? Thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All gibberish aside which NJ team has the most focused and institutionalized recruiting efforts for the HS sophomores plus? Thank you.

I do not think that there is any one club that is superior, many of the top clubs do a good job. As discussed on this forum before, it's the player that ultimately earns it, not the club. Most of the top club directors can pick up the phone and reach out on behalf of a player. No matter what year your kid plays, everybody knows who the top players are in each age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All gibberish aside which NJ team has the most focused and institutionalized recruiting efforts for the HS sophomores plus? Thank you.

I do not think that there is any one club that is superior, many of the top clubs do a good job. As discussed on this forum before, it's the player that ultimately earns it, not the club. Most of the top club directors can pick up the phone and reach out on behalf of a player. No matter what year your kid plays, everybody knows who the top players are in each age group.

Totally on point.

Wake up NJ Lax. Are we all too busy with football? Ok cool, just checking. Let's get back to this after next tourney played. Post results here and we'll have a healthy jersey discussion/argument over it.

BBL BEST CLUB OUT OF NJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL BEST CLUB OUT OF NJ.

BBL has a very strong program at the moment, however these things are cyclical, just ask Tri-State and Leading Edge. The trick is to survive the downside. LE is on a bit of a downswing, and Tri State looks to be trending a bit with the SHP kids. As far as not surviving the downswing, I think that Mad Dog NJ is a pretty good example. Jury is probably still out on clubs like Bluestar and Riot which seem to be growing at a steady pace, a couple of good teams in these programs, but they need a few more years of demonstrated consistency.

Just curious on kids on 2023 or 2024 teams how many kids are cut or changed from a team like a LE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious on kids on 2023 or 2024 teams how many kids are cut or changed from a team like a LE.

A lot has to do with whether a better kid walks in the door, and their need at the time. When the 2023's went form 8th to 9th, I believe that they only added/dropped about 5 kids, not sure what happened this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious on kids on 2023 or 2024 teams how many kids are cut or changed from a team like a LE.

Entering high school is a big change. BBL 2024 is example of this. That team has been built and gearing up to go after LI's top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious on kids on 2023 or 2024 teams how many kids are cut or changed from a team like a LE.

Entering high school is a big change. BBL 2024 is example of this. That team has been built and gearing up to go after LI's top teams.

Problem is that they cannot compete with the holdback clubs, not their fault, just a fact. As for LI, they can gear up all they want, but the LI teams will gear up as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious on kids on 2023 or 2024 teams how many kids are cut or changed from a team like a LE.

A lot has to do with whether a better kid walks in the door, and their need at the time. When the 2023's went form 8th to 9th, I believe that they only added/dropped about 5 kids, not sure what happened this year.

Between 8th and 9th you could see anywhere between 10 - 40% turnover, depending on talent. After 9th, they probably won't cut kids but about 20% will leave on their own for many reasons. Then each year they fill in positions with kids from other parts of the country as needed if they can't find them in NJ.

I remember back in 2017 when 4 of the top players left BBL Black 2019 to join RIOT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL BEST CLUB OUT OF NJ.

BBL has a very strong program at the moment, however these things are cyclical, just ask Tri-State and Leading Edge. The trick is to survive the downside. LE is on a bit of a downswing, and Tri State looks to be trending a bit with the SHP kids. As far as not surviving the downswing, I think that Mad Dog NJ is a pretty good example. Jury is probably still out on clubs like Bluestar and Riot which seem to be growing at a steady pace, a couple of good teams in these programs, but they need a few more years of demonstrated consistency.

4 out of LE 6 2022 poles are going to Yale, Hoopkins, Loyola & UPenn and we are less than 40 days into the recruiting process. I hope they survive this downcycle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL BEST CLUB OUT OF NJ.

BBL has a very strong program at the moment, however these things are cyclical, just ask Tri-State and Leading Edge. The trick is to survive the downside. LE is on a bit of a downswing, and Tri State looks to be trending a bit with the SHP kids. As far as not surviving the downswing, I think that Mad Dog NJ is a pretty good example. Jury is probably still out on clubs like Bluestar and Riot which seem to be growing at a steady pace, a couple of good teams in these programs, but they need a few more years of demonstrated consistency.

4 out of LE 6 2022 poles are going to Yale, Hoopkins, Loyola & UPenn and we are less than 40 days into the recruiting process. I hope they survive this downcycle.

impressive indeed!

Leading Edge 2024 dropped 9 players coming into the fall season. Probably could have cut three others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL BEST CLUB OUT OF NJ.

BBL has a very strong program at the moment, however these things are cyclical, just ask Tri-State and Leading Edge. The trick is to survive the downside. LE is on a bit of a downswing, and Tri State looks to be trending a bit with the SHP kids. As far as not surviving the downswing, I think that Mad Dog NJ is a pretty good example. Jury is probably still out on clubs like Bluestar and Riot which seem to be growing at a steady pace, a couple of good teams in these programs, but they need a few more years of demonstrated consistency.

4 out of LE 6 2022 poles are going to Yale, Hoopkins, Loyola & UPenn and we are less than 40 days into the recruiting process. I hope they survive this downcycle.

The discussion is about the strength of the club, not recruiting success. The strength of a club has nothing to do with talented players being recruited, they are simply good players who would have been recruited by those schools no matter what club they played for. If you look at the wins/losses for the LE 2023s and 2024s, that is a downswing for LE as a club. That being said, the top kids on those teams will still get recruited to great schools, but playing for LE will not be the reason.

Oh I heard that LE will basically recruit whoever from another state, even fly those in (if someone on track for D1). I get it to some point to hold up their reputation.

So do big cuts from 2025 then going into 8th?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh I heard that LE will basically recruit whoever from another state, even fly those in (if someone on track for D1). I get it to some point to hold up their reputation.

So do big cuts from 2025 then going into 8th?

Yes, usually.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL BEST CLUB OUT OF NJ.

BBL has a very strong program at the moment, however these things are cyclical, just ask Tri-State and Leading Edge. The trick is to survive the downside. LE is on a bit of a downswing, and Tri State looks to be trending a bit with the SHP kids. As far as not surviving the downswing, I think that Mad Dog NJ is a pretty good example. Jury is probably still out on clubs like Bluestar and Riot which seem to be growing at a steady pace, a couple of good teams in these programs, but they need a few more years of demonstrated consistency.

4 out of LE 6 2022 poles are going to Yale, Hoopkins, Loyola & UPenn and we are less than 40 days into the recruiting process. I hope they survive this downcycle.

The discussion is about the strength of the club, not recruiting success. The strength of a club has nothing to do with talented players being recruited, they are simply good players who would have been recruited by those schools no matter what club they played for. If you look at the wins/losses for the LE 2023s and 2024s, that is a downswing for LE as a club. That being said, the top kids on those teams will still get recruited to great schools, but playing for LE will not be the reason.

That might be one of the most ridiculous post. "Simply good players who would have been recruited by those schools no matter what club they played for." Ask the good players that played for Mad Dog National how that turned out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL BEST CLUB OUT OF NJ.

BBL has a very strong program at the moment, however these things are cyclical, just ask Tri-State and Leading Edge. The trick is to survive the downside. LE is on a bit of a downswing, and Tri State looks to be trending a bit with the SHP kids. As far as not surviving the downswing, I think that Mad Dog NJ is a pretty good example. Jury is probably still out on clubs like Bluestar and Riot which seem to be growing at a steady pace, a couple of good teams in these programs, but they need a few more years of demonstrated consistency.

4 out of LE 6 2022 poles are going to Yale, Hoopkins, Loyola & UPenn and we are less than 40 days into the recruiting process. I hope they survive this downcycle.

The discussion is about the strength of the club, not recruiting success. The strength of a club has nothing to do with talented players being recruited, they are simply good players who would have been recruited by those schools no matter what club they played for. If you look at the wins/losses for the LE 2023s and 2024s, that is a downswing for LE as a club. That being said, the top kids on those teams will still get recruited to great schools, but playing for LE will not be the reason.

That might be one of the most ridiculous post. "Simply good players who would have been recruited by those schools no matter what club they played for." Ask the good players that played for Mad Dog National how that turned out?

Wow, you just topped the most ridiculous post with "The" most ridiculous post..... MD National 2021: Penn (2) (1 being a decommit from Syracuse), Harvard (2), Villanova, Robert Morris, High Point (plus a handful of top D3 schools...MD National 2022 Syracuse, Ohio State, Georgetown, Utah

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL BEST CLUB OUT OF NJ.

BBL has a very strong program at the moment, however these things are cyclical, just ask Tri-State and Leading Edge. The trick is to survive the downside. LE is on a bit of a downswing, and Tri State looks to be trending a bit with the SHP kids. As far as not surviving the downswing, I think that Mad Dog NJ is a pretty good example. Jury is probably still out on clubs like Bluestar and Riot which seem to be growing at a steady pace, a couple of good teams in these programs, but they need a few more years of demonstrated consistency.

4 out of LE 6 2022 poles are going to Yale, Hoopkins, Loyola & UPenn and we are less than 40 days into the recruiting process. I hope they survive this downcycle.

It's really after the 2022s where the decline is happening.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL BEST CLUB OUT OF NJ.

BBL has a very strong program at the moment, however these things are cyclical, just ask Tri-State and Leading Edge. The trick is to survive the downside. LE is on a bit of a downswing, and Tri State looks to be trending a bit with the SHP kids. As far as not surviving the downswing, I think that Mad Dog NJ is a pretty good example. Jury is probably still out on clubs like Bluestar and Riot which seem to be growing at a steady pace, a couple of good teams in these programs, but they need a few more years of demonstrated consistency.

4 out of LE 6 2022 poles are going to Yale, Hoopkins, Loyola & UPenn and we are less than 40 days into the recruiting process. I hope they survive this downcycle.

It's really after the 2022s where the decline is happening.

Yes, that was my earlier point, but the LE kool-aid has not worn off for some people yet. There was a time when the majority of the top players in NJ were on LE teams, this is simply not the case anymore, especially with the 2023s and 2024s. LE definitely has some great players, but in recent years, they have not attracted all of the top talent in NJ. Unlike the past, they simply cannot expect that they are going to get all of the best players simply because they are LE. Players have found a lot of success with other programs in the state.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL BEST CLUB OUT OF NJ.

BBL has a very strong program at the moment, however these things are cyclical, just ask Tri-State and Leading Edge. The trick is to survive the downside. LE is on a bit of a downswing, and Tri State looks to be trending a bit with the SHP kids. As far as not surviving the downswing, I think that Mad Dog NJ is a pretty good example. Jury is probably still out on clubs like Bluestar and Riot which seem to be growing at a steady pace, a couple of good teams in these programs, but they need a few more years of demonstrated consistency.

4 out of LE 6 2022 poles are going to Yale, Hoopkins, Loyola & UPenn and we are less than 40 days into the recruiting process. I hope they survive this downcycle.

It's really after the 2022s where the decline is happening.

Yes, that was my earlier point, but the LE kool-aid has not worn off for some people yet. There was a time when the majority of the top players in NJ were on LE teams, this is simply not the case anymore, especially with the 2023s and 2024s. LE definitely has some great players, but in recent years, they have not attracted all of the top talent in NJ. Unlike the past, they simply cannot expect that they are going to get all of the best players simply because they are LE. Players have found a lot of success with other programs in the state.

What club does the RFH kid that's going to Yale play for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL BEST CLUB OUT OF NJ.

BBL has a very strong program at the moment, however these things are cyclical, just ask Tri-State and Leading Edge. The trick is to survive the downside. LE is on a bit of a downswing, and Tri State looks to be trending a bit with the SHP kids. As far as not surviving the downswing, I think that Mad Dog NJ is a pretty good example. Jury is probably still out on clubs like Bluestar and Riot which seem to be growing at a steady pace, a couple of good teams in these programs, but they need a few more years of demonstrated consistency.

4 out of LE 6 2022 poles are going to Yale, Hoopkins, Loyola & UPenn and we are less than 40 days into the recruiting process. I hope they survive this downcycle.

It's really after the 2022s where the decline is happening.

Yes, that was my earlier point, but the LE kool-aid has not worn off for some people yet. There was a time when the majority of the top players in NJ were on LE teams, this is simply not the case anymore, especially with the 2023s and 2024s. LE definitely has some great players, but in recent years, they have not attracted all of the top talent in NJ. Unlike the past, they simply cannot expect that they are going to get all of the best players simply because they are LE. Players have found a lot of success with other programs in the state.

What club does the RFH kid that's going to Yale play for?

Parents must have drank alot of kool-aid!

Yes, that was my earlier point, but the LE kool-aid has not worn off for some people yet. There was a time when the majority of the top players in NJ were on LE teams, this is simply not the case anymore, especially with the 2023s and 2024s. LE definitely has some great players, but in recent years, they have not attracted all of the top talent in NJ. Unlike the past, they simply cannot expect that they are going to get all of the best players simply because they are LE. Players have found a lot of success with other programs in the state.[/quote]
What club does the RFH kid that's going to Yale play for?[/quote]
Parents must have drank alot of kool-aid![/quote]

I'm sure that he will love Yale, as will his new teammates from Tri-State, Bluestar and Riot...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, that was my earlier point, but the LE kool-aid has not worn off for some people yet. There was a time when the majority of the top players in NJ were on LE teams, this is simply not the case anymore, especially with the 2023s and 2024s. LE definitely has some great players, but in recent years, they have not attracted all of the top talent in NJ. Unlike the past, they simply cannot expect that they are going to get all of the best players simply because they are LE. Players have found a lot of success with other programs in the state.

What club does the RFH kid that's going to Yale play for?[/quote]
Parents must have drank alot of kool-aid![/quote]

I'm sure that he will love Yale, as will his new teammates from Tri-State, Bluestar and Riot...[/quote]
Jersey Strong!

LE 2026 11 out of 21 guys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2026 11 out of 21 guys.

What does this mean LE 2026 11 out of 21 guys.

How does your NJ club approach playing in a tournament in a state that is on the travel advisory list?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does your NJ club approach playing in a tournament in a state that is on the travel advisory list?

They do not go, at least that was how it was handled this summer. I know that some NJ clubs did play in Maryland this summer while the state was still on the quarantine list, I think that Crab Feast and Naptown occurred during this period, but not positive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does your NJ club approach playing in a tournament in a state that is on the travel advisory list?

They do not go, at least that was how it was handled this summer. I know that some NJ clubs did play in Maryland this summer while the state was still on the quarantine list, I think that Crab Feast and Naptown occurred during this period, but not positive.

This is correct. They should not and the majority do not go. Plus the schools are clear with their expectations to follow the quarantine list rules. We received an email from our school regarding club sports explicitly (hockey, lax, etc.). No words were spared. You do not want your kid to be the one to bring it in school because of some club tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2026 11 out of 21 guys.

What does this mean LE 2026 11 out of 21 guys.

I guess it means that the other 10 guys are not LE 2026

24 hours or less in a “hot zone” does not require quarantining so OK as long as under 24 hours.

I think the LE 2026 post is referring to a post from a week or two ago about the amount of kids who were cut heading into this season.

Is this 24 hour travel stuff accurate? If we do not spend the night does this count? We are only going to "visiting" a park for 6 or so hours so its like stopping by a location in the hot zone and stayed there a few hours but the school survey each day says "traveled to". Traveled to is an ambiguous statement so I am not sure what is going to be considered the right answer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this 24 hour travel stuff accurate? If we do not spend the night does this count? We are only going to "visiting" a park for 6 or so hours so its like stopping by a location in the hot zone and stayed there a few hours but the school survey each day says "traveled to". Traveled to is an ambiguous statement so I am not sure what is going to be considered the right answer.

I have not heard of the 24 hour rule, seems a bit counter-intuitive. I would be curious to know which NJ clubs are actually considering travel to a quarantine state. If no NY, NJ or CT teams are going to show up, it seems like the tournaments would simply shift locations like they did this summer.

that is correct have to be in the state for longer than 24 hours

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that is correct have to be in the state for longer than 24 hours

I think you are interpreting it incorrectly.

The rule says:
Who passed through a designated state for a period of limited duration (i.e. less than 24 hours) through the course of travel.

Attending a lacrosse tournament is not "course of travel." The idea there is that if you are driving through the state to get somewhere else and stop for the night (for rest) then you are not subject to quarantine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this 24 hour travel stuff accurate? If we do not spend the night does this count? We are only going to "visiting" a park for 6 or so hours so its like stopping by a location in the hot zone and stayed there a few hours but the school survey each day says "traveled to". Traveled to is an ambiguous statement so I am not sure what is going to be considered the right answer.

Or we could question that the survival rate is 99.9% of people under 70. The science and data says that it is illogical not to go about regular life for this virus just based on science.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this 24 hour travel stuff accurate? If we do not spend the night does this count? We are only going to "visiting" a park for 6 or so hours so its like stopping by a location in the hot zone and stayed there a few hours but the school survey each day says "traveled to". Traveled to is an ambiguous statement so I am not sure what is going to be considered the right answer.

Or we could question that the survival rate is 99.9% of people under 70. The science and data says that it is illogical not to go about regular life for this virus just based on science.

No need to go down this road on a lacrosse forum, parents are just trying to understand the rules in order to make an informed decision.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this 24 hour travel stuff accurate? If we do not spend the night does this count? We are only going to "visiting" a park for 6 or so hours so its like stopping by a location in the hot zone and stayed there a few hours but the school survey each day says "traveled to". Traveled to is an ambiguous statement so I am not sure what is going to be considered the right answer.

Or we could question that the survival rate is 99.9% of people under 70. The science and data says that it is illogical not to go about regular life for this virus just based on science.

Wear a mask everywhere. Driving, outside, shower, basement, everywhere. Do not leave the house!

i recall Governor Cuomo , going to a convention in Delaware and was caught not wearing his mask and in a crowd full of people. His quote was " You have to be in the State longer than 24 hours to Quarantine ". that is what what i am going by . Plus shutting the country down for 99.9 pct survival rate does not make much sense. Now lets get back to Lax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i recall Governor Cuomo , going to a convention in Delaware and was caught not wearing his mask and in a crowd full of people. His quote was " You have to be in the State longer than 24 hours to Quarantine ". that is what what i am going by . Plus shutting the country down for 99.9 pct survival rate does not make much sense. Now lets get back to Lax

Well, since this is the NJ forum, we should probably go by Governor Murphy, but why worry about the details...but again, enough already with the politics

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i recall Governor Cuomo , going to a convention in Delaware and was caught not wearing his mask and in a crowd full of people. His quote was " You have to be in the State longer than 24 hours to Quarantine ". that is what what i am going by . Plus shutting the country down for 99.9 pct survival rate does not make much sense. Now lets get back to Lax

Cuomo was taking a few liberties with that statement.

Right from the NY State Guidance:
The requirements of the travel advisory do not apply to any individual passing through designated states for a limited duration (i.e., less than 24 hours) through the course of travel. Examples of such brief passage include but are not limited to: stopping at rest stops for vehicles, buses, and/or trains; or lay-overs for air travel, bus travel, or train travel

AGREED!!! But Governor Murphy and Cuomo are one Brain !!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i recall Governor Cuomo , going to a convention in Delaware and was caught not wearing his mask and in a crowd full of people. His quote was " You have to be in the State longer than 24 hours to Quarantine ". that is what what i am going by . Plus shutting the country down for 99.9 pct survival rate does not make much sense. Now lets get back to Lax

Well, since this is the NJ forum, we should probably go by Governor Murphy, but why worry about the details...but again, enough already with the politics

Agreed. Forget politics. Let's get our clubs to host more tournaments in NJ. Ideal location for NY,CT,PA teams. What's not to like.
Tourney in Marlton this past weekend was perfect for us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i recall Governor Cuomo , going to a convention in Delaware and was caught not wearing his mask and in a crowd full of people. His quote was " You have to be in the State longer than 24 hours to Quarantine ". that is what what i am going by . Plus shutting the country down for 99.9 pct survival rate does not make much sense. Now lets get back to Lax

Cuomo was taking a few liberties with that statement.

Right from the NY State Guidance:
The requirements of the travel advisory do not apply to any individual passing through designated states for a limited duration (i.e., less than 24 hours) through the course of travel. Examples of such brief passage include but are not limited to: stopping at rest stops for vehicles, buses, and/or trains; or lay-overs for air travel, bus travel, or train travel

This is pretty similar to most of the northeast states. But the posts seem to be going back an forth between two distinct issues. The 24 hour rule, which is similar in most northeast states, relates to a person traveling through that state and whether quarantine/testing is necessary while in that state (i.e. would a NY, NJ or CT kid have to quarantine while in MD for a tournament). The other issue is whether quarantine is necessary for a NY, NJ, or CT kid when they return home, despite only being in MD for less than 24 hours. In the first instance, it is not practical, and nearly impossible, for MD to enforce an in-state quarantine/testing requirement (if they even have such a requirement) for a 1 day lacrosse tournament. In the second instance, that NY, NJ, or CT kid and their family are probably subject to the quarantine requirements in their home state because the time spent in MD was not simply passing through during travel. While I am not sure if it is legal in any of the home states, the easiest course of action would be to simply keep your kid home for a few days afterwards and get tested.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i recall Governor Cuomo , going to a convention in Delaware and was caught not wearing his mask and in a crowd full of people. His quote was " You have to be in the State longer than 24 hours to Quarantine ". that is what what i am going by . Plus shutting the country down for 99.9 pct survival rate does not make much sense. Now lets get back to Lax

Well, since this is the NJ forum, we should probably go by Governor Murphy, but why worry about the details...but again, enough already with the politics

Agreed. Forget politics. Let's get our clubs to host more tournaments in NJ. Ideal location for NY,CT,PA teams. What's not to like.
Tourney in Marlton this past weekend was perfect for us.

Agreed. Sometimes a lot has to do with field space. For example, a tournament this summer that was suppose to use a combination of fields at Capelli in Tinton Falls (which are privately owned) and local Colts Neck town fields was reduced in size because the township pulled the fields, Colts Neck residents objected to out-of-state people coming to their town. While things are improving, NJ lacks the types of facilities for the larger tournaments. A place like the new fileds in Hillsborough cannot compete with a facility like the DE turf complex in Delaware.

Good points in this post, please lets keep politics, even if they are just jokes, out of this forum and NJ does need to start hosting more tournaments here for the Northeast. We have plenty of teams that would play and ample facilities that have turf. Directors lets get this cooking!!!!!!

The tourney in Marltom NJ had the most competitive teams this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The tourney in Marltom NJ had the most competitive teams this weekend.

And it was hosted by Express! NJ Clubs should also consider hosting in their own backyard. What's the issue?

There were some pretty good teams from the tri states and northern region at the 2024 level I have to agree. Glad to hear Express hosted it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The tourney in Marltom NJ had the most competitive teams this weekend.

And it was hosted by Express! NJ Clubs should also consider hosting in their own backyard. What's the issue?

Maybe next year it could be on something more hospitable like a cement field with loose rocks or even a paved parking lot vs a field with 2 foot potholes every step and 9 inch grass.The field broke more ankles than the long island kids did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The tourney in Marltom NJ had the most competitive teams this weekend.

And it was hosted by Express! NJ Clubs should also consider hosting in their own backyard. What's the issue?

Maybe next year it could be on something more hospitable like a cement field with loose rocks or even a paved parking lot vs a field with 2 foot potholes every step and 9 inch grass.The field broke more ankles than the long island kids did.

Definitely no DE Turf. But this is Jersey. We tough. We don't need no stinkin' turf. Rub dirt over broken angles and get back in and just play and stop being a snowflake.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were some pretty good teams from the tri states and northern region at the 2024 level I have to agree. Glad to hear Express hosted it.

Interesting that BBL was included but not LE. Are they trying to get into the NLF?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were some pretty good teams from the tri states and northern region at the 2024 level I have to agree. Glad to hear Express hosted it.

Interesting that BBL was included but not LE. Are they trying to get into the NLF?

I don't think BBL really cares about getting in NLF. They just want to play the top teams even if it's just play days. We are jonesing to play more.. this was our first outing and hope its not the last for the fall bec of covid.

My son tells me that LE is missing a handful of kids from all of the older teams due to injuries and other sports, I’m guessing for football? I know LE has a pretty full schedule all thru November so they probably just chose to pass on this one. BBL is trying to play better teams now so they get a little credit here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son tells me that LE is missing a handful of kids from all of the older teams due to injuries and other sports, I’m guessing for football? I know LE has a pretty full schedule all thru November so they probably just chose to pass on this one. BBL is trying to play better teams now so they get a little credit here.

Not a BBL parent, but they definitely do not shy away from the top teams. Not sure that the NLF would do anything for their program, it certainly has not helped LE in any way. It is just as easy to enter the top east coast tournaments, most of the NLF teams are there anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son tells me that LE is missing a handful of kids from all of the older teams due to injuries and other sports, I’m guessing for football? I know LE has a pretty full schedule all thru November so they probably just chose to pass on this one. BBL is trying to play better teams now so they get a little credit here.

Not a BBL parent, but they definitely do not shy away from the top teams. Not sure that the NLF would do anything for their program, it certainly has not helped LE in any way. It is just as easy to enter the top east coast tournaments, most of the NLF teams are there anyway.

The directors/coaches from top LI/NY clubs know who the top teams are in NJ and make calls to invite. Like BBL, they also seek to play top competitive teams all the time (Lax games are precious in Covid times). With NLF not inviting BBL, that's more about $business$ and we understand. We from BBL will play any top teams t-shirt or not.

When you say “we” are jonesing to play more do you meet BBL or express.

Bbl doesn’t need the NLF. My son doesn’t play there btw, so giving an outside opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bbl doesn’t need the NLF. My son doesn’t play there btw, so giving an outside opinion.

And before that parent here argues about having the best D1 recruitment by being in their club and NLF. detest to burst your bubble but many BBL kids go to high schools like Delbarton, SHP, CBA, Pringry, Mt Lakes, Chatham, Ridgewood. They are not exactly hurting for college recommendation from these programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bbl doesn’t need the NLF. My son doesn’t play there btw, so giving an outside opinion.

And before that parent here argues about having the best D1 recruitment by being in their club and NLF. detest to burst your bubble but many BBL kids go to high schools like Delbarton, SHP, CBA, Pringry, Mt Lakes, Chatham, Ridgewood. They are not exactly hurting for college recommendation from these programs.

Well done...you knew that it was coming eventually

Blue Star and TriState let their players guest play for the Hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Star and TriState let their players guest play for the Hawks?

In the case of the Tri-State kid, he is the best player on their team, so they give him a lot of leeway. They also both play for True Atlantic, that being the connection with Hawks. My understanding is that guest playing is not permitted by Bluestar.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Star and TriState let their players guest play for the Hawks?

In the case of the Tri-State kid, he is the best player on their team, so they give him a lot of leeway. They also both play for True Atlantic, that being the connection with Hawks. My understanding is that guest playing is not permitted by Bluestar.

There are some strong players coming out of the shore. Hopefully, some of the better high school programs start putting some of the Shore Conference teams on their schedules.

The Hawks in MD?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Star and TriState let their players guest play for the Hawks?

In the case of the Tri-State kid, he is the best player on their team, so they give him a lot of leeway. They also both play for True Atlantic, that being the connection with Hawks. My understanding is that guest playing is not permitted by Bluestar.

There are some strong players coming out of the shore. Hopefully, some of the better high school programs start putting some of the Shore Conference teams on their schedules.

Agreed, but it may be hard this year if year if high school lacrosse is restricted to conference play...that being said, and I am not a parent at either school, but RFH typically schedules some of the top public schools in NJ and CBA will schedule some strong out-of-state games with other private catholic schools including Chaminade. The Shore conference is in itself is pretty strong, so even in-conference play is competitive. RFH, CBA and Manasquan have always led the pack, and now you have schools like Wall building very good programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks in MD?

yes

The 2026 team guys are guest playing, or are you referring to older?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2026 team guys are guest playing, or are you referring to older?

2023

oh sorry wrong thread!

It looks like Murphy just cancelled all youth indoor sports...the article is lacking some details on NJ.com. It appears outdoor sports are still on.

What are the Box Clubs in the state this will affect? bummer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the Box Clubs in the state this will affect? bummer.

And the winter fun begins. Please not the sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the Box Clubs in the state this will affect? bummer.

And the winter fun begins. Please not the sarcasm.

Probably all of them unless they can put together in-state events with NJ teams only. It's unfortunate because there are some good box events in PA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like Murphy just cancelled all youth indoor sports...the article is lacking some details on NJ.com. It appears outdoor sports are still on.

He got rid of "interstate" travel for youth and high school indoor sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like Murphy just cancelled all youth indoor sports...the article is lacking some details on NJ.com. It appears outdoor sports are still on.

He got rid of "interstate" travel for youth and high school indoor sports.

I've already sent questions to my sons' Box club. I'm sure this will turn into another instance where clubs will not refund money...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like Murphy just cancelled all youth indoor sports...the article is lacking some details on NJ.com. It appears outdoor sports are still on.

He got rid of "interstate" travel for youth and high school indoor sports.

I've already sent questions to my sons' Box club. I'm sure this will turn into another instance where clubs will not refund money...

They will probably try to cobble together a few local events and keep your money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like Murphy just cancelled all youth indoor sports...the article is lacking some details on NJ.com. It appears outdoor sports are still on.

He got rid of "interstate" travel for youth and high school indoor sports.

I've already sent questions to my sons' Box club. I'm sure this will turn into another instance where clubs will not refund money...

They will probably try to cobble together a few local events and keep your money.

As soon as RBC football and soccer teams lose he will shut down all high school sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like Murphy just cancelled all youth indoor sports...the article is lacking some details on NJ.com. It appears outdoor sports are still on.

He got rid of "interstate" travel for youth and high school indoor sports.

I've already sent questions to my sons' Box club. I'm sure this will turn into another instance where clubs will not refund money...

They will probably try to cobble together a few local events and keep your money.

As soon as RBC football and soccer teams lose he will shut down all high school sports.

Now that is an interesting take on the situation, hope that you are wrong, but interesting perspective

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like Murphy just cancelled all youth indoor sports...the article is lacking some details on NJ.com. It appears outdoor sports are still on.

Nope. Read the information before freaking out.

Is BBL not playing in NAL because of a Covid outbreak?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is BBL not playing in NAL because of a Covid outbreak?

They are on the schedule, there are two locations, Delaware and New Jersey, NY, NJ and PA teams are in NJ bracket and DC, MD, VA and non-Mid Atlantic teams in Delaware, with a few exceptions (DC Express and Juiced Cherries in NJ and NXT in Delaware)

out door sports were not shut down !! they should be there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is BBL not playing in NAL because of a Covid outbreak?

They are on the schedule, there are two locations, Delaware and New Jersey, NY, NJ and PA teams are in NJ bracket and DC, MD, VA and non-Mid Atlantic teams in Delaware, with a few exceptions (DC Express and Juiced Cherries in NJ and NXT in Delaware)

BBL played every weekend since early September including this past weekend.

My son is playing LandSharks in the 2026 bracket this weekend. I googled them and they are from Florida. I cannot believe that they are allowing a Florida team to play in a New Jersey event given the Covid restrictions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is playing LandSharks in the 2026 bracket this weekend. I googled them and they are from Florida. I cannot believe that they are allowing a Florida team to play in a New Jersey event given the Covid restrictions.

You can always keep your kid home. We played a team from Seattle last weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is playing LandSharks in the 2026 bracket this weekend. I googled them and they are from Florida. I cannot believe that they are allowing a Florida team to play in a New Jersey event given the Covid restrictions.

Seems like something that you should discuss with your club director if you are concerned. NJ travel/quarantine requirements are voluntary, so obviously quarantine will not happen. A Florida team playing in a mostly regional event seems unusual. If it were the NAL, I could understand a team traveling, but not for a local event. Some tournaments this summer told the teams from high-risk states to stay home.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is playing LandSharks in the 2026 bracket this weekend. I googled them and they are from Florida. I cannot believe that they are allowing a Florida team to play in a New Jersey event given the Covid restrictions.

Seems like something that you should discuss with your club director if you are concerned. NJ travel/quarantine requirements are voluntary, so obviously quarantine will not happen. A Florida team playing in a mostly regional event seems unusual. If it were the NAL, I could understand a team traveling, but not for a local event. Some tournaments this summer told the teams from high-risk states to stay home.

Don't think they are from Florida. Played a Landshark 2026 team at an event recently. I think they are a team out of Union County (Summit/Westfield/New Providence) and are playing under Landsharks rather than a specific team name.

Does anyone know what tournaments BBL has played the fall season? I want to forward them to our director because we have only been in a few. Thanks in advance.

Are Maryland tournaments removing NJ teams from their events?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what tournaments BBL has played the fall season? I want to forward them to our director because we have only been in a few. Thanks in advance.

what age

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is playing LandSharks in the 2026 bracket this weekend. I googled them and they are from Florida. I cannot believe that they are allowing a Florida team to play in a New Jersey event given the Covid restrictions.

Seems like something that you should discuss with your club director if you are concerned. NJ travel/quarantine requirements are voluntary, so obviously quarantine will not happen. A Florida team playing in a mostly regional event seems unusual. If it were the NAL, I could understand a team traveling, but not for a local event. Some tournaments this summer told the teams from high-risk states to stay home.

Don't think they are from Florida. Played a Landshark 2026 team at an event recently. I think they are a team out of Union County (Summit/Westfield/New Providence) and are playing under Landsharks rather than a specific team name.

Actually mam I’m just a dolphin........

Aloha Famous Autumn Classic in Maryland (Harford County) has been postponed a week and moved to Delaware due to COVID.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is playing LandSharks in the 2026 bracket this weekend. I googled them and they are from Florida. I cannot believe that they are allowing a Florida team to play in a New Jersey event given the Covid restrictions.

Seems like something that you should discuss with your club director if you are concerned. NJ travel/quarantine requirements are voluntary, so obviously quarantine will not happen. A Florida team playing in a mostly regional event seems unusual. If it were the NAL, I could understand a team traveling, but not for a local event. Some tournaments this summer told the teams from high-risk states to stay home.

Every state is a high risk state now. However, not many transmissions can be traced to actual sports. Team meals and post game parties yes but actual on field transmission are the problem. Let the kids play.

you should be worried about NJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you should be worried about NJ

Going as planned. Fake news!

TRUE NJ wins the battle of bad load fathers! A bunch of angry drunks,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TRUE NJ wins the battle of bad load fathers! A bunch of angry drunks,

Agreed, saw them in action a few weeks ago...felt like the LI red cup crew took over the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TRUE NJ wins the battle of bad load fathers! A bunch of angry drunks,

Agreed, saw them in action a few weeks ago...felt like the LI red cup crew took over the team.

LI red cup crew are legendary. Noone else come close. LI parents are trash. They can't take losing to NJ teams and takes it out on their greasy spouses. Go over their forum, you fit right in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TRUE NJ wins the battle of bad load fathers! A bunch of angry drunks,

Agreed, saw them in action a few weeks ago...felt like the LI red cup crew took over the team.

LI red cup crew are legendary. Noone else come close. LI parents are trash. They can't take losing to NJ teams and takes it out on their greasy spouses. Go over their forum, you fit right in.

True came into NJ and joined up with mediocre club simply to expand its wallet. Kids in NJ are not going to flock to a club simply because they are affiliated with True. Same goes for the True team in Maryland. Outside of the national teams, True's success has been bringing lacrosse to underserved midwest markets like Minnesota and Utah. Going into states with a large amount of established clubs makes no sense. The result is a group of parents that think that their kids are god's gift to lacrosse because they play for True, but are unable to cope when the team gets smacked around, not to mention the contents of the red cups, which makes the situation even worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TRUE NJ wins the battle of bad load fathers! A bunch of angry drunks,

Agreed, saw them in action a few weeks ago...felt like the LI red cup crew took over the team.

LI red cup crew are legendary. Noone else come close. LI parents are trash. They can't take losing to NJ teams and takes it out on their greasy spouses. Go over their forum, you fit right in.

True came into NJ and joined up with mediocre club simply to expand its wallet. Kids in NJ are not going to flock to a club simply because they are affiliated with True. Same goes for the True team in Maryland. Outside of the national teams, True's success has been bringing lacrosse to underserved midwest markets like Minnesota and Utah. Going into states with a large amount of established clubs makes no sense. The result is a group of parents that think that their kids are god's gift to lacrosse because they play for True, but are unable to cope when the team gets smacked around, not to mention the contents of the red cups, which makes the situation even worse.

head coach of True NJ 2023 had to intervein with his teams drunk parents at half time during a recent tournament in Tinton Falls, they were truly a disgrace! Drunk Napoleon size stunads starting fights with other teams parents, other drunk stunads throwing water bottles around. Those fathers must have been fun to drive home with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TRUE NJ wins the battle of bad load fathers! A bunch of angry drunks,

Agreed, saw them in action a few weeks ago...felt like the LI red cup crew took over the team.

LI red cup crew are legendary. Noone else come close. LI parents are trash. They can't take losing to NJ teams and takes it out on their greasy spouses. Go over their forum, you fit right in.

True came into NJ and joined up with mediocre club simply to expand its wallet. Kids in NJ are not going to flock to a club simply because they are affiliated with True. Same goes for the True team in Maryland. Outside of the national teams, True's success has been bringing lacrosse to underserved midwest markets like Minnesota and Utah. Going into states with a large amount of established clubs makes no sense. The result is a group of parents that think that their kids are god's gift to lacrosse because they play for True, but are unable to cope when the team gets smacked around, not to mention the contents of the red cups, which makes the situation even worse.

head coach of True NJ 2023 had to intervein with his teams drunk parents at half time during a recent tournament in Tinton Falls, they were truly a disgrace! Drunk Napoleon size stunads starting fights with other teams parents, other drunk stunads throwing water bottles around. Those fathers must have been fun to drive home with.

And to make matters worse, they were fighting with the True MD parents....great day for True program

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TRUE NJ wins the battle of bad load fathers! A bunch of angry drunks,

Agreed, saw them in action a few weeks ago...felt like the LI red cup crew took over the team.

LI red cup crew are legendary. Noone else come close. LI parents are trash. They can't take losing to NJ teams and takes it out on their greasy spouses. Go over their forum, you fit right in.

True came into NJ and joined up with mediocre club simply to expand its wallet. Kids in NJ are not going to flock to a club simply because they are affiliated with True. Same goes for the True team in Maryland. Outside of the national teams, True's success has been bringing lacrosse to underserved midwest markets like Minnesota and Utah. Going into states with a large amount of established clubs makes no sense. The result is a group of parents that think that their kids are god's gift to lacrosse because they play for True, but are unable to cope when the team gets smacked around, not to mention the contents of the red cups, which makes the situation even worse.

head coach of True NJ 2023 had to intervein with his teams drunk parents at half time during a recent tournament in Tinton Falls, they were truly a disgrace! Drunk Napoleon size stunads starting fights with other teams parents, other drunk stunads throwing water bottles around. Those fathers must have been fun to drive home with.

And to make matters worse, they were fighting with the True MD parents....great day for True program

TRUE NJ parents talking trash to TRUE MD players, True NJ father gets removed from the field. The Nepolean size drunk had a few to many fireball mini's before the game.

Where are all the BBL people? The rankings came out, NJ Riot and South Shore are both ranked higher than your 2022 team. Nevermind, you guys only talk about middle school teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the BBL people? The rankings came out, NJ Riot and South Shore are both ranked higher than your 2022 team. Nevermind, you guys only talk about middle school teams.

Not a BBL person but if you think the rankings are accurate, you don't know lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the BBL people? The rankings came out, NJ Riot and South Shore are both ranked higher than your 2022 team. Nevermind, you guys only talk about middle school teams.

Not a BBL person but if you think the rankings are accurate, you don't know lacrosse.

I totally agree. I can't stand BBL - but the rankings are lame. I remember when they first launched their Instagram site. They went and followed a million kids. Once kids followed them back - they unfollowed them. Nice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the BBL people? The rankings came out, NJ Riot and South Shore are both ranked higher than your 2022 team. Nevermind, you guys only talk about middle school teams.

Not a BBL person but if you think the rankings are accurate, you don't know lacrosse.

I totally agree. I can't stand BBL - but the rankings are lame. I remember when they first launched their Instagram site. They went and followed a million kids. Once kids followed them back - they unfollowed them. Nice.

Wait until tomorrow when our 2024 team ranking comes out, we are the best club in NJ

Not a BBL person but if you think the rankings are accurate, you don't know lacrosse.[/quote]
I totally agree. I can't stand BBL - but the rankings are lame. I remember when they first launched their Instagram site. They went and followed a million kids. Once kids followed them back - they unfollowed them. Nice.[/quote]

Wait until tomorrow when our 2024 team ranking comes out, we are the best club in NJ[/quote]

BBL blows, Towermen are the future. TM will destroy everyone in the WSYL. Enjoy the show losers!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the BBL people? The rankings came out, NJ Riot and South Shore are both ranked higher than your 2022 team. Nevermind, you guys only talk about middle school teams.

Not a BBL person but if you think the rankings are accurate, you don't know lacrosse.

I totally agree. I can't stand BBL - but the rankings are lame. I remember when they first launched their Instagram site. They went and followed a million kids. Once kids followed them back - they unfollowed them. Nice.

Wait until tomorrow when our 2024 team ranking comes out, we are the best club in NJ

And nobody will care except the BBL parents. Pretty funny that the 2024 parents have not yet figured out that the ranking are ridiculous as is the chest pounding on this forum. Go look at the how the discussions in the 22 and 23 forums moderated once the kids got to high school. LI and MD kids care more about high school lacrosse, go look at those forums if you do not believe it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the BBL people? The rankings came out, NJ Riot and South Shore are both ranked higher than your 2022 team. Nevermind, you guys only talk about middle school teams.

Not a BBL person but if you think the rankings are accurate, you don't know lacrosse.

I totally agree. I can't stand BBL - but the rankings are lame. I remember when they first launched their Instagram site. They went and followed a million kids. Once kids followed them back - they unfollowed them. Nice.

Wait until tomorrow when our 2024 team ranking comes out, we are the best club in NJ

Wait is over, are you happy, or sad, that BBL just squeaked into the top 20...either BBL is not as good as you think, or the rankings are BS, your choice..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the BBL people? The rankings came out, NJ Riot and South Shore are both ranked higher than your 2022 team. Nevermind, you guys only talk about middle school teams.

Not a BBL person but if you think the rankings are accurate, you don't know lacrosse.

I totally agree. I can't stand BBL - but the rankings are lame. I remember when they first launched their Instagram site. They went and followed a million kids. Once kids followed them back - they unfollowed them. Nice.

Wait until tomorrow when our 2024 team ranking comes out, we are the best club in NJ

Wait is over, are you happy, or sad, that BBL just squeaked into the top 20...either BBL is not as good as you think, or the rankings are BS, your choice..

Rankings are BS but they might be spot on for the 2026 teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a BBL person but if you think the rankings are accurate, you don't know lacrosse.

I totally agree. I can't stand BBL - but the rankings are lame. I remember when they first launched their Instagram site. They went and followed a million kids. Once kids followed them back - they unfollowed them. Nice.[/quote]

Wait until tomorrow when our 2024 team ranking comes out, we are the best club in NJ[/quote]

BBL blows, Towermen are the future. TM will destroy everyone in the WSYL. Enjoy the show losers![/quote]

BBL or Tribal will knock Towermen out in the qualifier and Towermen does not make WSYL

No one from Towermen wrote this. This person is mentioning a 2024 team and Tmen are only a 2026 team. BBL is a good club and they are good at many age groups. The WSYL East qualifier will be very competitive this year with the additions of the MD clubs - Hawks, Madlax, Combo teams - as well as the top PA and NJ teams. We are looking forward to it but every tournament with great clubs will be a dog fight. Merry Christmas to everyone in the Lacrosse community. - A Real Towermen Parent

did towermen play this fall? dont remember seeing much of them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

did towermen play this fall? dont remember seeing much of them

No, all their players moved to BBL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

did towermen play this fall? dont remember seeing much of them

What happened to this team?

New Jersey had a full football season unlike most surrounding states. Our team is loaded with football players and hockey players. We had one tourney switch the date on us which created a conflict and then played in one midweek tournament over Veterans Day but played the 2025 bracket. Been grinding every week since August just haven’t had many 2026 games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New Jersey had a full football season unlike most surrounding states. Our team is loaded with football players and hockey players. We had one tourney switch the date on us which created a conflict and then played in one midweek tournament over Veterans Day but played the 2025 bracket. Been grinding every week since August just haven’t had many 2026 games.

Towermen are a good team. But how long will parents put up with being invisible on the tourney scene? Intrinsic problem of being part of a one-off team and not a club. Moreover, what is the plan for the towermen once they get to recruiting age? Are they going to be getting the best advise and support humanly possible to pursue the next level? Hopefully they will, but my guess is the bigger clubs are going to cherry pick the best players out of there with promises of college connections and D1 scholarships well before.

In a side note...using the term "Grinding" to describe youth lacrosse seems like something that would go down on the Maryland board. Let's not turn toxic like those clowns.

Actually they picked up two really good players from bbl and didn’t lose anyone. Lots of hockey and football kids so not much fall action other than practices

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually they picked up two really good players from bbl and didn’t lose anyone. Lots of hockey and football kids so not much fall action other than practices

If you think you are going to qualify you might want to have your boys put down their hockey sticks, Maryland teams are coming this year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually they picked up two really good players from bbl and didn’t lose anyone. Lots of hockey and football kids so not much fall action other than practices

If you think you are going to qualify you might want to have your boys put down their hockey sticks, Maryland teams are coming this year!

WSYL in MD...sounds like it's just another tourney now without the gimmick of flying out to Colorado for a family vacation. I guess you can stop at the inner harbor or maybe some filming locations from "The Wire". Other than that, no reason to go that heck hole. I'll cut to the chase. A Long Island team is gonna win it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually they picked up two really good players from bbl and didn’t lose anyone. Lots of hockey and football kids so not much fall action other than practices

If you think you are going to qualify you might want to have your boys put down their hockey sticks, Maryland teams are coming this year!

WSYL in MD...sounds like it's just another tourney now without the gimmick of flying out to Colorado for a family vacation. I guess you can stop at the inner harbor or maybe some filming locations from "The Wire". Other than that, no reason to go that heck hole. I'll cut to the chase. A Long Island team is gonna win it.

On the plus side, you don't have the expense of traveling to Colorado and, unlike many other local tournaments, you get to see a lot of other teams from across the county that would not normally attend a MD tournament, As far as a long island team winning, if that is your concern, probably best not to play in any high level tournaments at that age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually they picked up two really good players from bbl and didn’t lose anyone. Lots of hockey and football kids so not much fall action other than practices

If you think you are going to qualify you might want to have your boys put down their hockey sticks, Maryland teams are coming this year!

WSYL in MD...sounds like it's just another tourney now without the gimmick of flying out to Colorado for a family vacation. I guess you can stop at the inner harbor or maybe some filming locations from "The Wire". Other than that, no reason to go that heck hole. I'll cut to the chase. A Long Island team is gonna win it.

On the plus side, you don't have the expense of traveling to Colorado and, unlike many other local tournaments, you get to see a lot of other teams from across the county that would not normally attend a MD tournament, As far as a long island team winning, if that is your concern, probably best not to play in any high level tournaments at that age.

I only mean that the towermen kids involved in hockey should keep playing hockey in the winter (in contrast to the guy who said they should put down their sticks since MD teams are coming). Those kids will be much better served by playing multiple sports in middle school than worrying about who the competition is going to be at a weekend tourney down 95.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually they picked up two really good players from bbl and didn’t lose anyone. Lots of hockey and football kids so not much fall action other than practices

If you think you are going to qualify you might want to have your boys put down their hockey sticks, Maryland teams are coming this year!

WSYL in MD...sounds like it's just another tourney now without the gimmick of flying out to Colorado for a family vacation. I guess you can stop at the inner harbor or maybe some filming locations from "The Wire". Other than that, no reason to go that heck hole. I'll cut to the chase. A Long Island team is gonna win it.

On the plus side, you don't have the expense of traveling to Colorado and, unlike many other local tournaments, you get to see a lot of other teams from across the county that would not normally attend a MD tournament, As far as a long island team winning, if that is your concern, probably best not to play in any high level tournaments at that age.

I only mean that the towermen kids involved in hockey should keep playing hockey in the winter (in contrast to the guy who said they should put down their sticks since MD teams are coming). Those kids will be much better served by playing multiple sports in middle school than worrying about who the competition is going to be at a weekend tourney down 95.

What is a Towerman?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is a Towerman?

Great question. From what I gather, they were a top 20 '26 team pre-covid. There is only a '26 team, no other age groups in their organization. They didn't play in the fall because of football. They aren't playing in the winter because of hockey. They are looking to qualify for the WSYL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is a Towerman?

Great question. From what I gather, they were a top 20 '26 team pre-covid. There is only a '26 team, no other age groups in their organization. They didn't play in the fall because of football. They aren't playing in the winter because of hockey. They are looking to qualify for the WSYL.

This is top notch BTC self promotion playbook, at least in 2011. 2021 not so much. Go talk to your team moms with this boring nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is a Towerman?

Great question. From what I gather, they were a top 20 '26 team pre-covid. There is only a '26 team, no other age groups in their organization. They didn't play in the fall because of football. They aren't playing in the winter because of hockey. They are looking to qualify for the WSYL.

This is top notch BTC self promotion playbook, at least in 2011. 2021 not so much. Go talk to your team moms with this boring nonsense.

Can you explain what the "self promotion" was? and how it relates to 2011 and how it doesn't relate to 2021? What else should we talk about on BOTC? Cricket? Golf? Just let me know so I can recalibrate my talking points.

Does anyone have a list of the NJ teams that are trying to qualify for the WSYL?

I’m a towermen parent. We are a not for profit 2025 team started by parents and have professional coaches (no parents). Mostly a north jersey all star team with kids from Ridgewood, Mtn Lakes, Summit, Maplewood, etc . They haven’t lost to a NJ in two years and play all the top AA teams every summer. Only lost to a few teams this past summer, hawks and Sweetlax and maybe one other. Beat Tigers, BBL, NJ express. Havent played LI Express yet. Lots of very strong and age appropriate multi sport athletes. Only 3 out of 24 don’t qualify age wise.

I meant 2026 team. Typo

Typo. Towermen is 2026

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m a towermen parent. We are a not for profit 2025 team started by parents and have professional coaches (no parents). Mostly a north jersey all star team with kids from Ridgewood, Mtn Lakes, Summit, Maplewood, etc . They haven’t lost to a NJ in two years and play all the top AA teams every summer. Only lost to a few teams this past summer, hawks and Sweetlax and maybe one other. Beat Tigers, BBL, NJ express. Havent played LI Express yet. Lots of very strong and age appropriate multi sport athletes. Only 3 out of 24 don’t qualify age wise.

Certain that nobody cares about your rec team before or after, BBL and Express would have taken any players that were any good by now you know what I mean?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m a towermen parent. We are a not for profit 2025 team started by parents and have professional coaches (no parents). Mostly a north jersey all star team with kids from Ridgewood, Mtn Lakes, Summit, Maplewood, etc . They haven’t lost to a NJ in two years and play all the top AA teams every summer. Only lost to a few teams this past summer, hawks and Sweetlax and maybe one other. Beat Tigers, BBL, NJ express. Havent played LI Express yet. Lots of very strong and age appropriate multi sport athletes. Only 3 out of 24 don’t qualify age wise.

Certain that nobody cares about your rec team before or after, BBL and Express would have taken any players that were any good by now you know what I mean?

Another middle school team and program that will lose players to the major programs in high school

Actually I don’t know what you mean. We beat bbl black and nj express this summer.

We shall see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m a towermen parent. We are a not for profit 2025 team started by parents and have professional coaches (no parents). Mostly a north jersey all star team with kids from Ridgewood, Mtn Lakes, Summit, Maplewood, etc . They haven’t lost to a NJ in two years and play all the top AA teams every summer. Only lost to a few teams this past summer, hawks and Sweetlax and maybe one other. Beat Tigers, BBL, NJ express. Havent played LI Express yet. Lots of very strong and age appropriate multi sport athletes. Only 3 out of 24 don’t qualify age wise.

Certain that nobody cares about your rec team before or after, BBL and Express would have taken any players that were any good by now you know what I mean?

Another middle school team and program that will lose players to the major programs in high school

Love to hear what the high school plan is for the towermen...you know...besides move to BBL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m a towermen parent. We are a not for profit 2025 team started by parents and have professional coaches (no parents). Mostly a north jersey all star team with kids from Ridgewood, Mtn Lakes, Summit, Maplewood, etc . They haven’t lost to a NJ in two years and play all the top AA teams every summer. Only lost to a few teams this past summer, hawks and Sweetlax and maybe one other. Beat Tigers, BBL, NJ express. Havent played LI Express yet. Lots of very strong and age appropriate multi sport athletes. Only 3 out of 24 don’t qualify age wise.

Certain that nobody cares about your rec team before or after, BBL and Express would have taken any players that were any good by now you know what I mean?

Another middle school team and program that will lose players to the major programs in high school

Not always the case if the coaches are well connected. Quick look under the hood tells it all. Good on this team for being multi-sport athletes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m a towermen parent. We are a not for profit 2025 team started by parents and have professional coaches (no parents). Mostly a north jersey all star team with kids from Ridgewood, Mtn Lakes, Summit, Maplewood, etc . They haven’t lost to a NJ in two years and play all the top AA teams every summer. Only lost to a few teams this past summer, hawks and Sweetlax and maybe one other. Beat Tigers, BBL, NJ express. Havent played LI Express yet. Lots of very strong and age appropriate multi sport athletes. Only 3 out of 24 don’t qualify age wise.

Certain that nobody cares about your rec team before or after, BBL and Express would have taken any players that were any good by now you know what I mean?

Another middle school team and program that will lose players to the major programs in high school

Not always the case if the coaches are well connected. Quick look under the hood tells it all. Good on this team for being multi-sport athletes.

More like good on the PARENTS for fostering multi-sport athletes. I'm sure the team isn't signing those kids up for hockey year in and year out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m a towermen parent. We are a not for profit 2025 team started by parents and have professional coaches (no parents). Mostly a north jersey all star team with kids from Ridgewood, Mtn Lakes, Summit, Maplewood, etc . They haven’t lost to a NJ in two years and play all the top AA teams every summer. Only lost to a few teams this past summer, hawks and Sweetlax and maybe one other. Beat Tigers, BBL, NJ express. Havent played LI Express yet. Lots of very strong and age appropriate multi sport athletes. Only 3 out of 24 don’t qualify age wise.

Certain that nobody cares about your rec team before or after, BBL and Express would have taken any players that were any good by now you know what I mean?

Another middle school team and program that will lose players to the major programs in high school

Not always the case if the coaches are well connected. Quick look under the hood tells it all. Good on this team for being multi-sport athletes.

Please provide 1 example of coaches that are well connected.

Why all the detest on this forum? Why do you need examples? You know zero about this team and their coaches and we don’t owe you anything. But I’ll humor you since you are clearly a hater. We have 4 coaches. They are all former high level D1 and D3 players all with HS and/or college coaching experience and one is currently an assistant coach at a top 25 D1 program. Let’s talk in 5 years and see what happens on the recruitment front. And if we get beat by any team in NJ until then, I’ll be sure to let you know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why all the detest on this forum? Why do you need examples? You know zero about this team and their coaches and we don’t owe you anything. But I’ll humor you since you are clearly a hater. We have 4 coaches. They are all former high level D1 and D3 players all with HS and/or college coaching experience and one is currently an assistant coach at a top 25 D1 program. Let’s talk in 5 years and see what happens on the recruitment front. And if we get beat by any team in NJ until then, I’ll be sure to let you know.

This is BOTC Baby! No snowflakes. Only Hot Takes.

As a parent of a Towermen, are you concerned in the least with how the recruiting process will go? Just to level set, I hope your kid doesn't get recruited, just so my kid has a better chance of getting recruited. I'm not concerned for your welfare or you child's welfare, purely my own. But I am interested in getting your honest feelings on it. Clearly you aren't, else you wouldn't be there. so maybe can you share why you aren't worried?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why all the detest on this forum? Why do you need examples? You know zero about this team and their coaches and we don’t owe you anything. But I’ll humor you since you are clearly a hater. We have 4 coaches. They are all former high level D1 and D3 players all with HS and/or college coaching experience and one is currently an assistant coach at a top 25 D1 program. Let’s talk in 5 years and see what happens on the recruitment front. And if we get beat by any team in NJ until then, I’ll be sure to let you know.

Normally get paid $350+ and hour to dole out this professional advice, but consider this one free. I reposted your rant above to be a reflective mirror. Hopefully you now see the projection and are immediately committing to take the necessary steps to resolve the detest inside. With that solved can you repay the altriusm and repost when you come to your senses and let you kid play for a real program? Betting you end up at Predators.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually I don’t know what you mean. We beat bbl black and nj express this summer.

Getting lucky in a covid summer don’t count.only a jamoke don’t play fall games and whines about it capisce

Funny to see the NJ crybabies worried about Towermen. I am from another area and have seen Towermen play - very good team. Not good enough to win NAL or other big tournaments but competitive with most NY and MD teams. The other NJ teams like BBL are weak for this age group. Towermen definitely the best NJ has at this time. If TM plays in WSYL will see if these are age appropriate 7th graders.

Stop the recruiting banter. They are 12. The cream always rises in time. The best players are almost always found regardless of the team they play for. Showcases, prospect days, UA AA games, etc. Don’t believe the hype. Your club program isn’t the only way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop the recruiting banter. They are 12. The cream always rises in time. The best players are almost always found regardless of the team they play for. Showcases, prospect days, UA AA games, etc. Don’t believe the hype. Your club program isn’t the only way.

Is Towerman putting a 2025 team in the WSYL so all the boys get an opportunity to play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop the recruiting banter. They are 12. The cream always rises in time. The best players are almost always found regardless of the team they play for. Showcases, prospect days, UA AA games, etc. Don’t believe the hype. Your club program isn’t the only way.

This is the reality, just takes some time for a lot of people to figure it out...and you really have no way to know how your kid compares until you see them playing with multiple age groups in high school, or against the traditional holdback clubs during high school, the best players stand out, regardless of age. Playing against clubs the have 1 or 2 older kids is one thing, playing against a stacked roster is a whole different world. National tournaments like Naptown are a real eye opener when you start playing against the National club teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop the recruiting banter. They are 12. The cream always rises in time. The best players are almost always found regardless of the team they play for. Showcases, prospect days, UA AA games, etc. Don’t believe the hype. Your club program isn’t the only way.

Is Towerman putting a 2025 team in the WSYL so all the boys get an opportunity to play?

Come on man, this is not nice or constructive. We are better than this.

Truth! Cream always rises in time. Some of these 12 year olds peaked already and lose interest and some will peak when they are in HS, college and beyond.

What he said!

Actually 21 out of 24 players qualify for U13 division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop the recruiting banter. They are 12. The cream always rises in time. The best players are almost always found regardless of the team they play for. Showcases, prospect days, UA AA games, etc. Don’t believe the hype. Your club program isn’t the only way.

Is Towerman putting a 2025 team in the WSYL so all the boys get an opportunity to play?

Come on man, this is not nice or constructive. We are better than this.

3 players can't attend? So you aren't better than this!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop the recruiting banter. They are 12. The cream always rises in time. The best players are almost always found regardless of the team they play for. Showcases, prospect days, UA AA games, etc. Don’t believe the hype. Your club program isn’t the only way.

Ok. So by this logic, say your son gets into two schools. NJIT and MIT. you gonna send him to NJIT and cross your fingers he gets plucked out of there for gainful employment?

These responses are coming from a Club Owner. Why would a parent really care if players from another team will "never be recruited."? That parent would be happy and let them do their thing. A club owner would feel threatened and attempt to scare parents. That Club Owner needs to do this because their Club is big business and they need to protect their livelihood.

Each team makes an enormous amount of actual profit per team. In the range of $40k-$45k of actual profit. When Big Club has tryouts and they draw 110 kids at their tryout, some parents ask, "Do you think they will make a B team?". Of course they will, that is an additional $40k. It is smart business.

The advantage of a 1-off team is that they can provide their players with so many additional resources when they are a not in it for profit team. They can play twice as much lacrosse, hire great Non-Dad coaches and hire a recruiting coordinator in their 8th grade year... and still be 1/3 the price of your traditional big club. Also, their coaches actually coach 1 team. It is not 2 coaches hopping on 6 different sidelines at every tournament.

Some notable teams in the 2026 grade - Tigers XXVI, Tommyknockers and TM. All have been ranked in the Top 10 and all have outstanding players. Come sophomore year, when the Tigers destroys a Big Club team by double digits in a tournament, will it make sense for recruiters to flock to the sidelines of that Big Club team and completely ignore the Tigers? The Tigers will be fine and their players will be playing bigtime ball some day.

Do some research on the Tenacious Turtles. They were a 1-off team in long island. A team that stayed together until Senior year. They were a 1-off team and won a lot. The majority of their team went and played bigtime D1. Team 91 Crush started as a 1-Off team. They stayed together until senior year and they all went to play bigtime lacrosse. That team was one of the most successful teams in club history and that team was responsible for the Big Club that is Team 91 today.

Scare tactics are over. The truth is out. Go back to figuring out how you can charge your players more and giving them less. Leave the parents alone and let us hang out on BOTC and argue over which team is better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These responses are coming from a Club Owner. Why would a parent really care if players from another team will "never be recruited."? That parent would be happy and let them do their thing. A club owner would feel threatened and attempt to scare parents. That Club Owner needs to do this because their Club is big business and they need to protect their livelihood.

Each team makes an enormous amount of actual profit per team. In the range of $40k-$45k of actual profit. When Big Club has tryouts and they draw 110 kids at their tryout, some parents ask, "Do you think they will make a B team?". Of course they will, that is an additional $40k. It is smart business.

The advantage of a 1-off team is that they can provide their players with so many additional resources when they are a not in it for profit team. They can play twice as much lacrosse, hire great Non-Dad coaches and hire a recruiting coordinator in their 8th grade year... and still be 1/3 the price of your traditional big club. Also, their coaches actually coach 1 team. It is not 2 coaches hopping on 6 different sidelines at every tournament.

Some notable teams in the 2026 grade - Tigers XXVI, Tommyknockers and TM. All have been ranked in the Top 10 and all have outstanding players. Come sophomore year, when the Tigers destroys a Big Club team by double digits in a tournament, will it make sense for recruiters to flock to the sidelines of that Big Club team and completely ignore the Tigers? The Tigers will be fine and their players will be playing bigtime ball some day.

Do some research on the Tenacious Turtles. They were a 1-off team in long island. A team that stayed together until Senior year. They were a 1-off team and won a lot. The majority of their team went and played bigtime D1. Team 91 Crush started as a 1-Off team. They stayed together until senior year and they all went to play bigtime lacrosse. That team was one of the most successful teams in club history and that team was responsible for the Big Club that is Team 91 today.

Scare tactics are over. The truth is out. Go back to figuring out how you can charge your players more and giving them less. Leave the parents alone and let us hang out on BOTC and argue over which team is better.

You’re not from NJ. No NJ team has 110 kids at tryouts.

If you read the prior post, this all started with a Tommyknocker parent saying they were the best team in NJ at the 2026 level. I believe a parent then replied, wait until high school when your players start leaving for bigger clubs.

You don't need to look that far back. A Shore travel team had an amazing 2021 team in middle school they couldn't keep together. Half the team played on one of the top national teams. They are all going to end up playing in college but none of their little brothers are playing for the same club. That tells me the parents were not happy with the process and they are not willing to spend $3,000+ a year on another 1-off team.

A lot of teams break up... big clubs, small clubs, 1 off clubs. No Dads coaching, the leadership of the team and winning will give them the best chance of survival. There are situations were players and parents enjoy each other and buy in. Those are the ones that will make it. When you care about the player and not the money, that is a gamechanger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These responses are coming from a Club Owner. Why would a parent really care if players from another team will "never be recruited."? That parent would be happy and let them do their thing. A club owner would feel threatened and attempt to scare parents. That Club Owner needs to do this because their Club is big business and they need to protect their livelihood.

Each team makes an enormous amount of actual profit per team. In the range of $40k-$45k of actual profit. When Big Club has tryouts and they draw 110 kids at their tryout, some parents ask, "Do you think they will make a B team?". Of course they will, that is an additional $40k. It is smart business.

The advantage of a 1-off team is that they can provide their players with so many additional resources when they are a not in it for profit team. They can play twice as much lacrosse, hire great Non-Dad coaches and hire a recruiting coordinator in their 8th grade year... and still be 1/3 the price of your traditional big club. Also, their coaches actually coach 1 team. It is not 2 coaches hopping on 6 different sidelines at every tournament.

Some notable teams in the 2026 grade - Tigers XXVI, Tommyknockers and TM. All have been ranked in the Top 10 and all have outstanding players. Come sophomore year, when the Tigers destroys a Big Club team by double digits in a tournament, will it make sense for recruiters to flock to the sidelines of that Big Club team and completely ignore the Tigers? The Tigers will be fine and their players will be playing bigtime ball some day.

Do some research on the Tenacious Turtles. They were a 1-off team in long island. A team that stayed together until Senior year. They were a 1-off team and won a lot. The majority of their team went and played bigtime D1. Team 91 Crush started as a 1-Off team. They stayed together until senior year and they all went to play bigtime lacrosse. That team was one of the most successful teams in club history and that team was responsible for the Big Club that is Team 91 today.

Scare tactics are over. The truth is out. Go back to figuring out how you can charge your players more and giving them less. Leave the parents alone and let us hang out on BOTC and argue over which team is better.

Team 91 Crush was not a one-off team, and, much like the other 91 teams, they added a lot of different kids in high school

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually 21 out of 24 players qualify for U13 division.

So Towermen have three players born prior to Sept 1, 2007 that play 2026? That is lame. Three too many if you ask me.

Regarding the team staying together, they have some Rockland County kids, as well as some kids from northern Bergen County. These families are not likely to want to travel to where the real BBL teams practice, or where Leading Edge is. Just as likely to go to Prime Time if they are to leave for a big nationally recognized club.

I am glad they exist. 20 or so more spots for other kids are open because they exist. The more kids get to play travel lacrosse, the better. Its a great sport, and tournaments (especially pre-covid, and hopefully soon again) are a lot of fun, for kids and parents alike. I wish they didn't have the older kids, but that is not a problem they have created.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually 21 out of 24 players qualify for U13 division.

So Towermen have three players born prior to Sept 1, 2007 that play 2026? That is lame. Three too many if you ask me.

Regarding the team staying together, they have some Rockland County kids, as well as some kids from northern Bergen County. These families are not likely to want to travel to where the real BBL teams practice, or where Leading Edge is. Just as likely to go to Prime Time if they are to leave for a big nationally recognized club.

I am glad they exist. 20 or so more spots for other kids are open because they exist. The more kids get to play travel lacrosse, the better. Its a great sport, and tournaments (especially pre-covid, and hopefully soon again) are a lot of fun, for kids and parents alike. I wish they didn't have the older kids, but that is not a problem they have created.

Whoa Whoa Whoa...too much thought and positivity in this post. Take it over to Reddit Pal. BOTC is for complaining about holdbacks and living vicariously through your kid's lacrosse team.
You probably talk to your son about stuff other than lacrosse...crazyiness!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop the recruiting banter. They are 12. The cream always rises in time. The best players are almost always found regardless of the team they play for. Showcases, prospect days, UA AA games, etc. Don’t believe the hype. Your club program isn’t the only way.

Ok. So by this logic, say your son gets into two schools. NJIT and MIT. you gonna send him to NJIT and cross your fingers he gets plucked out of there for gainful employment?

Ha ha. No one who gets into MIT would apply to just these 2 schools. This is dense.

The days of 1 or 2 clubs in NJ being the funnel to college are over (sorry BBL and Leading Edge). They used to be the only game in town but those days are over. Just look at how their teams are diluting and they are now hurting for quality players. Everyone has figured out they are not necessary.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually 21 out of 24 players qualify for U13 division.

So Towermen have three players born prior to Sept 1, 2007 that play 2026? That is lame. Three too many if you ask me.

Regarding the team staying together, they have some Rockland County kids, as well as some kids from northern Bergen County. These families are not likely to want to travel to where the real BBL teams practice, or where Leading Edge is. Just as likely to go to Prime Time if they are to leave for a big nationally recognized club.

I am glad they exist. 20 or so more spots for other kids are open because they exist. The more kids get to play travel lacrosse, the better. Its a great sport, and tournaments (especially pre-covid, and hopefully soon again) are a lot of fun, for kids and parents alike. I wish they didn't have the older kids, but that is not a problem they have created.

Wouldn't they go to Riot? That club is really on the rise?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop the recruiting banter. They are 12. The cream always rises in time. The best players are almost always found regardless of the team they play for. Showcases, prospect days, UA AA games, etc. Don’t believe the hype. Your club program isn’t the only way.

Is Towerman putting a 2025 team in the WSYL so all the boys get an opportunity to play?

Who really cares? WSYL is a joke. It won't be around soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop the recruiting banter. They are 12. The cream always rises in time. The best players are almost always found regardless of the team they play for. Showcases, prospect days, UA AA games, etc. Don’t believe the hype. Your club program isn’t the only way.

Ok. So by this logic, say your son gets into two schools. NJIT and MIT. you gonna send him to NJIT and cross your fingers he gets plucked out of there for gainful employment?

Ha ha. No one who gets into MIT would apply to just these 2 schools. This is dense.

oh yeah? you are dense. Take that! Also, can you fill me up on regular? And get my windshield why you are at it if you want a tip.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The days of 1 or 2 clubs in NJ being the funnel to college are over (sorry BBL and Leading Edge). They used to be the only game in town but those days are over. Just look at how their teams are diluting and they are now hurting for quality players. Everyone has figured out they are not necessary.

This is compounded by the fact that some club directors are coaching prominent high school programs, so players tend to gravitate towards those clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually 21 out of 24 players qualify for U13 division.

So Towermen have three players born prior to Sept 1, 2007 that play 2026? That is lame. Three too many if you ask me.

Regarding the team staying together, they have some Rockland County kids, as well as some kids from northern Bergen County. These families are not likely to want to travel to where the real BBL teams practice, or where Leading Edge is. Just as likely to go to Prime Time if they are to leave for a big nationally recognized club.

I am glad they exist. 20 or so more spots for other kids are open because they exist. The more kids get to play travel lacrosse, the better. Its a great sport, and tournaments (especially pre-covid, and hopefully soon again) are a lot of fun, for kids and parents alike. I wish they didn't have the older kids, but that is not a problem they have created.

Wouldn't they go to Riot? That club is really on the rise?

I don't think Riot is strong at the younger/middle school age groups. If anything, Riot is on the decline. I think they have some strong HS teams, but that is it. No one would leave Towermen for Riot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually 21 out of 24 players qualify for U13 division.

So Towermen have three players born prior to Sept 1, 2007 that play 2026? That is lame. Three too many if you ask me.

Regarding the team staying together, they have some Rockland County kids, as well as some kids from northern Bergen County. These families are not likely to want to travel to where the real BBL teams practice, or where Leading Edge is. Just as likely to go to Prime Time if they are to leave for a big nationally recognized club.

I am glad they exist. 20 or so more spots for other kids are open because they exist. The more kids get to play travel lacrosse, the better. Its a great sport, and tournaments (especially pre-covid, and hopefully soon again) are a lot of fun, for kids and parents alike. I wish they didn't have the older kids, but that is not a problem they have created.

Wouldn't they go to Riot? That club is really on the rise?

I don't think Riot is strong at the younger/middle school age groups. If anything, Riot is on the decline. I think they have some strong HS teams, but that is it. No one would leave Towermen for Riot.

Fact: Youtube Legend Jesse James West is a Riot alum! He single-handedly could lead Riot to the Apex

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually 21 out of 24 players qualify for U13 division.

So Towermen have three players born prior to Sept 1, 2007 that play 2026? That is lame. Three too many if you ask me.

Regarding the team staying together, they have some Rockland County kids, as well as some kids from northern Bergen County. These families are not likely to want to travel to where the real BBL teams practice, or where Leading Edge is. Just as likely to go to Prime Time if they are to leave for a big nationally recognized club.

I am glad they exist. 20 or so more spots for other kids are open because they exist. The more kids get to play travel lacrosse, the better. Its a great sport, and tournaments (especially pre-covid, and hopefully soon again) are a lot of fun, for kids and parents alike. I wish they didn't have the older kids, but that is not a problem they have created.

Wouldn't they go to Riot? That club is really on the rise?

I don't think Riot is strong at the younger/middle school age groups. If anything, Riot is on the decline. I think they have some strong HS teams, but that is it. No one would leave Towermen for Riot.

Wouldn't the time to move to a new club be at high school? You don't expect that 1 towerman team to stay together through high school right? That won't happen.

What do you all this of the all American games?

I agree, definitely comments from a club owner. My son doesn’t play for Towermen but I applaud them for what they have created. Kids seem to like it and are happy. They play good teams and games. And I bet they didn’t cut their whole team except 9 after a covid year and not even a whole season.

They are competitive while putting the kids first.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree, definitely comments from a club owner. My son doesn’t play for Towermen but I applaud them for what they have created. Kids seem to like it and are happy. They play good teams and games. And I bet they didn’t cut their whole team except 9 after a covid year and not even a whole season.

They are competitive while putting the kids first.

You could also pay BOTC if you want to put up a Towerman ad pal, do not be cheap

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do you all this of the all American games?

It is late in the season, about the time you are ready to pull the plug. The bigger issue, if your kid plays for an NLF team you are going to be at UMass from the 16-21.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree, definitely comments from a club owner. My son doesn’t play for Towermen but I applaud them for what they have created. Kids seem to like it and are happy. They play good teams and games. And I bet they didn’t cut their whole team except 9 after a covid year and not even a whole season.

They are competitive while putting the kids first.

Travel Hockey running late this year, how is that going to work for your WSYL bid? Hockey coaches detest when players miss anything.

Towermen is just as cutthroat as any other club: they cut 5 kids in the same Covid season. Not saying they are not good just saying it is not so rosy. Also they went out and got some hired guns to replace some long time players. Unlikely hired guns will be staying there for several years. Those kids’ dad will be looking to love on once the WSYL is fine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Towermen is just as cutthroat as any other club: they cut 5 kids in the same Covid season. Not saying they are not good just saying it is not so rosy. Also they went out and got some hired guns to replace some long time players. Unlikely hired guns will be staying there for several years. Those kids’ dad will be looking to love on once the WSYL is fine

This team play in any fall tournaments or have any games since the summer and still around?

Does anyone have BBL's or Leading Edge's summer tournaments schedule for the 23's and 24's?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Towermen is just as cutthroat as any other club: they cut 5 kids in the same Covid season. Not saying they are not good just saying it is not so rosy. Also they went out and got some hired guns to replace some long time players. Unlikely hired guns will be staying there for several years. Those kids’ dad will be looking to love on once the WSYL is fine

This team play in any fall tournaments or have any games since the summer and still around?

Becoming a team wide frustration.

Are we still talking about this...most of the kids play hockey. keep it moving folks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are we still talking about this...most of the kids play hockey. keep it moving folks.

Have the team played since this summer or recently?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are we still talking about this...most of the kids play hockey. keep it moving folks.

Have the team played since this summer or recently?

OMG. This is putting me to sleep. Let's talk about the holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone have BBL's or Leading Edge's summer tournaments schedule for the 23's and 24's?

No but if we had to guess: NLF Opening, Big 4, Crab, Naptown, NLF UMass & NAL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Towermen is just as cutthroat as any other club: they cut 5 kids in the same Covid season. Not saying they are not good just saying it is not so rosy. Also they went out and got some hired guns to replace some long time players. Unlikely hired guns will be staying there for several years. Those kids’ dad will be looking to love on once the WSYL is fine

This team play in any fall tournaments or have any games since the summer and still around?

Becoming a team wide frustration.

Losing site of what started this. All good things come to an end. Fun is done. Kids not happy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone have BBL's or Leading Edge's summer tournaments schedule for the 23's and 24's?

Knowing how disorganized Leading Edge is, you won't know until late spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Towermen is just as cutthroat as any other club: they cut 5 kids in the same Covid season. Not saying they are not good just saying it is not so rosy. Also they went out and got some hired guns to replace some long time players. Unlikely hired guns will be staying there for several years. Those kids’ dad will be looking to love on once the WSYL is fine

This team play in any fall tournaments or have any games since the summer and still around?

Becoming a team wide frustration.

Losing site of what started this. All good things come to an end. Fun is done. Kids not happy.

Has this team even played in the last 2-3 months?

What NE teams are playing in January and February. After the WSYL all questions will be answered.

Yes. Flying under the radar. Will make lots of noise at WSYL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes. Flying under the radar. Will make lots of noise at WSYL.

Great strategy. Who have they played lately? Scores?

Let me sum up the Towermen conversation from what I read above.

1. They did not play in any big 2026 Fall tournaments. (God forbid a team actually follows through promoting multi-sports athletes instead of just pay the concept lip service)
2. They are good . But just how good will not be known until after the WSYL qualifier
3. Who knows if they will stay together once they enter HS. There is not a lot of examples for this single year models and what happens when they get to HS. I am sure the top private schools will be interested in these kids for HS and then the club teams they run.
4. They have three kids who are overage, which I would bet is not unique.

Now can we please move on and discuss something else.

I am pretty sure that there are several NJ teams playing at the WSYL, as well as several teams not playing who will be big players in the summer so let us move on.

how bout bluestar's team? they were advertising WSYL team, but haven't heard a peep from this crew in quite some time.

it would be interesting to see what NJ teams are going to the qualifier for 25 and 26.

BBL, Tri-state and Jersey express (old tribal) likely going for both 25 and 26
Towermen going for 26.

Maybe BlueStar. Any other Jersey teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do you all this of the all American games?

Complete waste.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me sum up the Towermen conversation from what I read above.

1. They did not play in any big 2026 Fall tournaments. (God forbid a team actually follows through promoting multi-sports athletes instead of just pay the concept lip service)
2. They are good . But just how good will not be known until after the WSYL qualifier
3. Who knows if they will stay together once they enter HS. There is not a lot of examples for this single year models and what happens when they get to HS. I am sure the top private schools will be interested in these kids for HS and then the club teams they run.
4. They have three kids who are overage, which I would bet is not unique.

Now can we please move on and discuss something else.

I am pretty sure that there are several NJ teams playing at the WSYL, as well as several teams not playing who will be big players in the summer so let us move on.

Have they played lately & against & results?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me sum up the Towermen conversation from what I read above.

1. They did not play in any big 2026 Fall tournaments. (God forbid a team actually follows through promoting multi-sports athletes instead of just pay the concept lip service)
2. They are good . But just how good will not be known until after the WSYL qualifier
3. Who knows if they will stay together once they enter HS. There is not a lot of examples for this single year models and what happens when they get to HS. I am sure the top private schools will be interested in these kids for HS and then the club teams they run.
4. They have three kids who are overage, which I would bet is not unique.

Now can we please move on and discuss something else.

I am pretty sure that there are several NJ teams playing at the WSYL, as well as several teams not playing who will be big players in the summer so let us move on.

Have they played lately & against & results?

Who cares. No New Jersey team has a chance at the WSYL. Next.

Is the Mad Dog 25 team still decent? They might be going.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Mad Dog 25 team still decent? They might be going.

Sleeper to win it all!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Mad Dog 25 team still decent? They might be going.

Sleeper to win it all!

Only 2025 NJ team to make it out of the qualifier will be BBL. Mad Dog parents will have the best tailgate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Mad Dog 25 team still decent? They might be going.

Sleeper to win it all!

Only 2025 NJ team to make it out of the qualifier will be BBL. Mad Dog parents will have the best tailgate.

I mean, come on. There not a bad team but they don't stand a chance.

Any truth to the rumor that Leading Edge is falling apart? Is it a financial thing or just that kids are going elsewhere? Was thinking about having my 6th grader check them out this summer but don't want to have it blow up in our face. Are going the way of Mad Dog?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any truth to the rumor that Leading Edge is falling apart? Is it a financial thing or just that kids are going elsewhere? Was thinking about having my 6th grader check them out this summer but don't want to have it blow up in our face. Are going the way of Mad Dog?

Since your son is only in 6th grade, I would give it some time and see how things play out. Not much value in going to LE before high school anyway, the youth teams are not competitive. There are many other clubs that are much better at developing players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any truth to the rumor that Leading Edge is falling apart? Is it a financial thing or just that kids are going elsewhere? Was thinking about having my 6th grader check them out this summer but don't want to have it blow up in our face. Are going the way of Mad Dog?

Since your son is only in 6th grade, I would give it some time and see how things play out. Not much value in going to LE before high school anyway, the youth teams are not competitive. There are many other clubs that are much better at developing players.

Agreed. I don't think they are falling apart, they're just not as relevant now that early recruiting is done. And they are absolutely not a development program so only look there after freshman year.

Leading Edge is not falling apart. BBL has just taken from their pool but the 4 high school teams 2021-2024 are all pretty equal. I think if these teams played each other 10 games in a row it would be pretty close to 6 wins either way for either club. These are the only two clubs in NJ that are on the higher level so lets not start this BBL/Leading Edge conversation again. Tri State and Patriot are next . Mad Dog is terrible other than that 25 team. Once that team breaks up for high school, they fold NJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge is not falling apart. BBL has just taken from their pool but the 4 high school teams 2021-2024 are all pretty equal. I think if these teams played each other 10 games in a row it would be pretty close to 6 wins either way for either club. These are the only two clubs in NJ that are on the higher level so lets not start this BBL/Leading Edge conversation again. Tri State and Patriot are next . Mad Dog is terrible other than that 25 team. Once that team breaks up for high school, they fold NJ.

You must be a Patriot parent...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge is not falling apart. BBL has just taken from their pool but the 4 high school teams 2021-2024 are all pretty equal. I think if these teams played each other 10 games in a row it would be pretty close to 6 wins either way for either club. These are the only two clubs in NJ that are on the higher level so lets not start this BBL/Leading Edge conversation again. Tri State and Patriot are next . Mad Dog is terrible other than that 25 team. Once that team breaks up for high school, they fold NJ.

I would say Tri-State is equal to these clubs and in 2 years will surpass. BBL will hang in the top but LE will drop out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge is not falling apart. BBL has just taken from their pool but the 4 high school teams 2021-2024 are all pretty equal. I think if these teams played each other 10 games in a row it would be pretty close to 6 wins either way for either club. These are the only two clubs in NJ that are on the higher level so lets not start this BBL/Leading Edge conversation again. Tri State and Patriot are next . Mad Dog is terrible other than that 25 team. Once that team breaks up for high school, they fold NJ.

I would say Tri-State is equal to these clubs and in 2 years will surpass. BBL will hang in the top but LE will drop out.

This is probably true. Seton Hall fed a lot of kids to LE and now that the head coach is TriState, that club will reap the benefits. LE will be stuck backfilling with Mad Dog kids like they have for the past few years but that's a significant drop in talent compared to their history.

One of LE's first Mad Dog kids was C. Birch who was an All American in HS and now at Penn State. Followed up by their 21 kid going to Rutgers and their 22 kid going to West Point. It's called talent acquisition. And BBL is now starting to scour down the shore area as well, with a few players on their roster. They were just a little late to the game. TRI State has them too. if a player is good enough from Cape May County and wants to make the drive, why wouldn't these teams take them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of LE's first Mad Dog kids was C. Birch who was an All American in HS and now at Penn State. Followed up by their 21 kid going to Rutgers and their 22 kid going to West Point. It's called talent acquisition. And BBL is now starting to scour down the shore area as well, with a few players on their roster. They were just a little late to the game. TRI State has them too. if a player is good enough from Cape May County and wants to make the drive, why wouldn't these teams take them?

Many of the post raise valid points, but the comparison is a little complicated, as this post notes, because clubs like BBL, Tri-State, Bluestar, etc. all have well developed youth programs, LE has always struggled at the youth level. The key for these clubs is to retain the top level players that they developed and not lose them to LE. As these teams continue to excel at the high school level, the kids will not be so quick to jump ship for LE. Also, as noted in earlier comment, the draw of the club director/high school coach is a a very powerful hammerhead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of LE's first Mad Dog kids was C. Birch who was an All American in HS and now at Penn State. Followed up by their 21 kid going to Rutgers and their 22 kid going to West Point. It's called talent acquisition. And BBL is now starting to scour down the shore area as well, with a few players on their roster. They were just a little late to the game. TRI State has them too. if a player is good enough from Cape May County and wants to make the drive, why wouldn't these teams take them?

Many of the posts raise valid points, but the comparison is a little complicated, as this post notes, because clubs like BBL, Tri-State, Bluestar, etc. all have well-developed youth programs, LE has always struggled at the youth level. The key for these clubs is to retain the top level players that they developed and not lose them to LE. As these teams continue to excel at the high school level, the kids will not be so quick to jump ship for LE. Also, as noted in earlier comment, the draw of the club director/high school coach is a very powerful hammerhead.

Isn't there an NJ rule that high school coaches can't coach their players in the off-season? If so how is Tri-State doing it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of LE's first Mad Dog kids was C. Birch who was an All American in HS and now at Penn State. Followed up by their 21 kid going to Rutgers and their 22 kid going to West Point. It's called talent acquisition. And BBL is now starting to scour down the shore area as well, with a few players on their roster. They were just a little late to the game. TRI State has them too. if a player is good enough from Cape May County and wants to make the drive, why wouldn't these teams take them?

Many of the posts raise valid points, but the comparison is a little complicated, as this post notes, because clubs like BBL, Tri-State, Bluestar, etc. all have well-developed youth programs, LE has always struggled at the youth level. The key for these clubs is to retain the top level players that they developed and not lose them to LE. As these teams continue to excel at the high school level, the kids will not be so quick to jump ship for LE. Also, as noted in earlier comment, the draw of the club director/high school coach is a very powerful hammerhead.

Isn't there an NJ rule that high school coaches can't coach their players in the off-season? If so how is Tri-State doing it?

Not an expert on the topic by any means, but I believe that it is permitted when school is not in session. Many high school coaches are affiliated with clubs, so it must be permitted. I think that concern is a high school team playing together under their coach off-season, which is not really feasible for club lacrosse due to the grad. year separation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of LE's first Mad Dog kids was C. Birch who was an All American in HS and now at Penn State. Followed up by their 21 kid going to Rutgers and their 22 kid going to West Point. It's called talent acquisition. And BBL is now starting to scour down the shore area as well, with a few players on their roster. They were just a little late to the game. TRI State has them too. if a player is good enough from Cape May County and wants to make the drive, why wouldn't these teams take them?

Yes, there are good players coming out of mad dog, but not enough to make LE a top team. The point is that kids aren't coming from far and wide to join LE because the other clubs are better at development and have started to catch up on recruiting. Before early recruiting, LE had the advantage there. That's gone. Plus, they have no affiliation with high school teams which will continue to minimize their pool of players. They will still be a good option for some kids but their model isn't going to sustain itself over the long run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of LE's first Mad Dog kids was C. Birch who was an All American in HS and now at Penn State. Followed up by their 21 kid going to Rutgers and their 22 kid going to West Point. It's called talent acquisition. And BBL is now starting to scour down the shore area as well, with a few players on their roster. They were just a little late to the game. TRI State has them too. if a player is good enough from Cape May County and wants to make the drive, why wouldn't these teams take them?

Yes, there are good players coming out of mad dog, but not enough to make LE a top team. The point is that kids aren't coming from far and wide to join LE because the other clubs are better at development and have started to catch up on recruiting. Before early recruiting, LE had the advantage there. That's gone. Plus, they have no affiliation with high school teams which will continue to minimize their pool of players. They will still be a good option for some kids but their model isn't going to sustain itself over the long run.

What is the goal of travel lacrosse? Wins and Losses or getting your kid into the right University.
The LE model works and will continue to work, it's not for everyone or the only option.
Regarding an affiliation with a high school team. 10+ 2025 kids are enrolling at Delbarton in the Fall. I guess they aren't going to be a top team in a couple of years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of LE's first Mad Dog kids was C. Birch who was an All American in HS and now at Penn State. Followed up by their 21 kid going to Rutgers and their 22 kid going to West Point. It's called talent acquisition. And BBL is now starting to scour down the shore area as well, with a few players on their roster. They were just a little late to the game. TRI State has them too. if a player is good enough from Cape May County and wants to make the drive, why wouldn't these teams take them?

Yes, there are good players coming out of mad dog, but not enough to make LE a top team. The point is that kids aren't coming from far and wide to join LE because the other clubs are better at development and have started to catch up on recruiting. Before early recruiting, LE had the advantage there. That's gone. Plus, they have no affiliation with high school teams which will continue to minimize their pool of players. They will still be a good option for some kids but their model isn't going to sustain itself over the long run.

What is the goal of travel lacrosse? Wins and Losses or getting your kid into the right University.
The LE model works and will continue to work, it's not for everyone or the only option.
Regarding an affiliation with a high school team. 10+ 2025 kids are enrolling at Delbarton in the Fall. I guess they aren't going to be a top team in a couple of years.

I know that Delbarton is a great program, but why do so many kids (and their parents) see that as the end-all for lacrosse. I would imaging that more than half of the kids going to Delbarton for lacrosse (and I am sure that it is a lot) will never see the field in a varsity game. If LE is such an amazing recruiting machine, why not go to a high school where you have a better chance of playing meaningful minutes and just leave your future in the hands of LE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of LE's first Mad Dog kids was C. Birch who was an All American in HS and now at Penn State. Followed up by their 21 kid going to Rutgers and their 22 kid going to West Point. It's called talent acquisition. And BBL is now starting to scour down the shore area as well, with a few players on their roster. They were just a little late to the game. TRI State has them too. if a player is good enough from Cape May County and wants to make the drive, why wouldn't these teams take them?

Yes, there are good players coming out of mad dog, but not enough to make LE a top team. The point is that kids aren't coming from far and wide to join LE because the other clubs are better at development and have started to catch up on recruiting. Before early recruiting, LE had the advantage there. That's gone. Plus, they have no affiliation with high school teams which will continue to minimize their pool of players. They will still be a good option for some kids but their model isn't going to sustain itself over the long run.

What is the goal of travel lacrosse? Wins and Losses or getting your kid into the right University.
The LE model works and will continue to work, it's not for everyone or the only option.
Regarding an affiliation with a high school team. 10+ 2025 kids are enrolling at Delbarton in the Fall. I guess they aren't going to be a top team in a couple of years.

I know that Delbarton is a great program, but why do so many kids (and their parents) see that as the end-all for lacrosse. I would imaging that more than half of the kids going to Delbarton for lacrosse (and I am sure that it is a lot) will never see the field in a varsity game. If LE is such an amazing recruiting machine, why not go to a high school where you have a better chance of playing meaningful minutes and just leave your future in the hands of LE.

Dude, you are all over the place. First, you say LE has no affiliation with a high school team, they look to be building one with the best high school program in NJ and now you are saying the kids will never see the field. Just say you have something personal with LE and let's move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of LE's first Mad Dog kids was C. Birch who was an All American in HS and now at Penn State. Followed up by their 21 kid going to Rutgers and their 22 kid going to West Point. It's called talent acquisition. And BBL is now starting to scour down the shore area as well, with a few players on their roster. They were just a little late to the game. TRI State has them too. if a player is good enough from Cape May County and wants to make the drive, why wouldn't these teams take them?

Yes, there are good players coming out of mad dog, but not enough to make LE a top team. The point is that kids aren't coming from far and wide to join LE because the other clubs are better at development and have started to catch up on recruiting. Before early recruiting, LE had the advantage there. That's gone. Plus, they have no affiliation with high school teams which will continue to minimize their pool of players. They will still be a good option for some kids but their model isn't going to sustain itself over the long run.

What is the goal of travel lacrosse? Wins and Losses or getting your kid into the right University.
The LE model works and will continue to work, it's not for everyone or the only option.
Regarding an affiliation with a high school team. 10+ 2025 kids are enrolling at Delbarton in the Fall. I guess they aren't going to be a top team in a couple of years.

6+ of those kids will probably get cut, then what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of LE's first Mad Dog kids was C. Birch who was an All American in HS and now at Penn State. Followed up by their 21 kid going to Rutgers and their 22 kid going to West Point. It's called talent acquisition. And BBL is now starting to scour down the shore area as well, with a few players on their roster. They were just a little late to the game. TRI State has them too. if a player is good enough from Cape May County and wants to make the drive, why wouldn't these teams take them?

Yes, there are good players coming out of mad dog, but not enough to make LE a top team. The point is that kids aren't coming from far and wide to join LE because the other clubs are better at development and have started to catch up on recruiting. Before early recruiting, LE had the advantage there. That's gone. Plus, they have no affiliation with high school teams which will continue to minimize their pool of players. They will still be a good option for some kids but their model isn't going to sustain itself over the long run.

What is the goal of travel lacrosse? Wins and Losses or getting your kid into the right University.
The LE model works and will continue to work, it's not for everyone or the only option.
Regarding an affiliation with a high school team. 10+ 2025 kids are enrolling at Delbarton in the Fall. I guess they aren't going to be a top team in a couple of years.

I know that Delbarton is a great program, but why do so many kids (and their parents) see that as the end-all for lacrosse. I would imaging that more than half of the kids going to Delbarton for lacrosse (and I am sure that it is a lot) will never see the field in a varsity game. If LE is such an amazing recruiting machine, why not go to a high school where you have a better chance of playing meaningful minutes and just leave your future in the hands of LE.

Dude, you are all over the place. First, you say LE has no affiliation with a high school team, they look to be building one with the best high school program in NJ and now you are saying the kids will never see the field. Just say you have something personal with LE and let's move on.

Dude, this was a different person.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of LE's first Mad Dog kids was C. Birch who was an All American in HS and now at Penn State. Followed up by their 21 kid going to Rutgers and their 22 kid going to West Point. It's called talent acquisition. And BBL is now starting to scour down the shore area as well, with a few players on their roster. They were just a little late to the game. TRI State has them too. if a player is good enough from Cape May County and wants to make the drive, why wouldn't these teams take them?

Yes, there are good players coming out of mad dog, but not enough to make LE a top team. The point is that kids aren't coming from far and wide to join LE because the other clubs are better at development and have started to catch up on recruiting. Before early recruiting, LE had the advantage there. That's gone. Plus, they have no affiliation with high school teams which will continue to minimize their pool of players. They will still be a good option for some kids but their model isn't going to sustain itself over the long run.

What is the goal of travel lacrosse? Wins and Losses or getting your kid into the right University.
The LE model works and will continue to work, it's not for everyone or the only option.
Regarding an affiliation with a high school team. 10+ 2025 kids are enrolling at Delbarton in the Fall. I guess they aren't going to be a top team in a couple of years.

I know that Delbarton is a great program, but why do so many kids (and their parents) see that as the end-all for lacrosse. I would imaging that more than half of the kids going to Delbarton for lacrosse (and I am sure that it is a lot) will never see the field in a varsity game. If LE is such an amazing recruiting machine, why not go to a high school where you have a better chance of playing meaningful minutes and just leave your future in the hands of LE.

Dude, you are all over the place. First, you say LE has no affiliation with a high school team, they look to be building one with the best high school program in NJ and now you are saying the kids will never see the field. Just say you have something personal with LE and let's move on.

Different posters. The point is that, if a person feels strongly that LE will get their kid recruited, why not just go to a high school with a decent program, be one of the top kids, and get tons of playing time. I realize that playing for a top club and a top high school is probably the best route, but getting meaningful time at Delbarton is tough with the competition, likewise with SHP.

The one thing people are forgetting is the kids going to these high schools from Leading Edge and BBL will probably commit early in their junior year as long as they are good enough. BBl and LE directors will get them recruited so who cares about what high school they play for. Most will commit way before their Junior year Varsity season even begins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The one thing people are forgetting is the kids going to these high schools from Leading Edge and BBL will probably commit early in their junior year as long as they are good enough. BBl and LE directors will get them recruited so who cares about what high school they play for. Most will commit way before their Junior year Varsity season even begins.

I wouldn't say "most". Less than half will.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of LE's first Mad Dog kids was C. Birch who was an All American in HS and now at Penn State. Followed up by their 21 kid going to Rutgers and their 22 kid going to West Point. It's called talent acquisition. And BBL is now starting to scour down the shore area as well, with a few players on their roster. They were just a little late to the game. TRI State has them too. if a player is good enough from Cape May County and wants to make the drive, why wouldn't these teams take them?

Many of the post raise valid points, but the comparison is a little complicated, as this post notes, because clubs like BBL, Tri-State, Bluestar, etc. all have well developed youth programs, LE has always struggled at the youth level. The key for these clubs is to retain the top level players that they developed and not lose them to LE. As these teams continue to excel at the high school level, the kids will not be so quick to jump ship for LE. Also, as noted in earlier comment, the draw of the club director/high school coach is a a very powerful hammerhead.

My son graduated two years ago, was recruited to play in college, and was on Leading Edge. He had fun but I would say there was nothing that club provided that any other club could have. There's no magic club. Just let your kid play and they will be found.

Top 10 NJ High School teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of LE's first Mad Dog kids was C. Birch who was an All American in HS and now at Penn State. Followed up by their 21 kid going to Rutgers and their 22 kid going to West Point. It's called talent acquisition. And BBL is now starting to scour down the shore area as well, with a few players on their roster. They were just a little late to the game. TRI State has them too. if a player is good enough from Cape May County and wants to make the drive, why wouldn't these teams take them?

Many of the post raise valid points, but the comparison is a little complicated, as this post notes, because clubs like BBL, Tri-State, Bluestar, etc. all have well developed youth programs, LE has always struggled at the youth level. The key for these clubs is to retain the top level players that they developed and not lose them to LE. As these teams continue to excel at the high school level, the kids will not be so quick to jump ship for LE. Also, as noted in earlier comment, the draw of the club director/high school coach is a a very powerful hammerhead.

My son graduated two years ago, was recruited to play in college, and was on Leading Edge. He had fun but I would say there was nothing that club provided that any other club could have. There's no magic club. Just let your kid play and they will be found.

Unfortunately, you can say this until you are blue in the face. So many people think that there is the perfect formula with the right club, high school, showcase, etc. The best player(s) from LE, Tri State, Riot, Bluestar, BBL etc., are all going to top tier division 1 schools. The real issue is grades. If you have lousy grades, it makes the recruiting process a lot more difficult. Look at how many gifted players end up going to lower level D1 colleges because they didn't have the grades for a better school.. College coaches do not want to take a risk on a kid that is just going to be a headache with academics, whether because it hurts the overall team GPA for indexing, or because the kid may end up being academically ineligible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of LE's first Mad Dog kids was C. Birch who was an All American in HS and now at Penn State. Followed up by their 21 kid going to Rutgers and their 22 kid going to West Point. It's called talent acquisition. And BBL is now starting to scour down the shore area as well, with a few players on their roster. They were just a little late to the game. TRI State has them too. if a player is good enough from Cape May County and wants to make the drive, why wouldn't these teams take them?

Many of the post raise valid points, but the comparison is a little complicated, as this post notes, because clubs like BBL, Tri-State, Bluestar, etc. all have well developed youth programs, LE has always struggled at the youth level. The key for these clubs is to retain the top level players that they developed and not lose them to LE. As these teams continue to excel at the high school level, the kids will not be so quick to jump ship for LE. Also, as noted in earlier comment, the draw of the club director/high school coach is a a very powerful hammerhead.

My son graduated two years ago, was recruited to play in college, and was on Leading Edge. He had fun but I would say there was nothing that club provided that any other club could have. There's no magic club. Just let your kid play and they will be found.

Unfortunately, you can say this until you are blue in the face. So many people think that there is the perfect formula with the right club, high school, showcase, etc. The best player(s) from LE, Tri State, Riot, Bluestar, BBL etc., are all going to top tier division 1 schools. The real issue is grades. If you have lousy grades, it makes the recruiting process a lot more difficult. Look at how many gifted players end up going to lower level D1 colleges because they didn't have the grades for a better school.. College coaches do not want to take a risk on a kid that is just going to be a headache with academics, whether because it hurts the overall team GPA for indexing, or because the kid may end up being academically ineligible.

A real point of view!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of LE's first Mad Dog kids was C. Birch who was an All American in HS and now at Penn State. Followed up by their 21 kid going to Rutgers and their 22 kid going to West Point. It's called talent acquisition. And BBL is now starting to scour down the shore area as well, with a few players on their roster. They were just a little late to the game. TRI State has them too. if a player is good enough from Cape May County and wants to make the drive, why wouldn't these teams take them?

Many of the post raise valid points, but the comparison is a little complicated, as this post notes, because clubs like BBL, Tri-State, Bluestar, etc. all have well developed youth programs, LE has always struggled at the youth level. The key for these clubs is to retain the top level players that they developed and not lose them to LE. As these teams continue to excel at the high school level, the kids will not be so quick to jump ship for LE. Also, as noted in earlier comment, the draw of the club director/high school coach is a a very powerful hammerhead.

My son graduated two years ago, was recruited to play in college, and was on Leading Edge. He had fun but I would say there was nothing that club provided that any other club could have. There's no magic club. Just let your kid play and they will be found.

Unfortunately, you can say this until you are blue in the face. So many people think that there is the perfect formula with the right club, high school, showcase, etc. The best player(s) from LE, Tri State, Riot, Bluestar, BBL etc., are all going to top tier division 1 schools. The real issue is grades. If you have lousy grades, it makes the recruiting process a lot more difficult. Look at how many gifted players end up going to lower level D1 colleges because they didn't have the grades for a better school.. College coaches do not want to take a risk on a kid that is just going to be a headache with academics, whether because it hurts the overall team GPA for indexing, or because the kid may end up being academically ineligible.

A real point of view!

Here! Here!

Leading Edge 2025 is a real dumpster fire. Program struggling mightily. Got mopped today. Never in any game. Rethinking things.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge 2025 is a real dumpster fire. Program struggling mightily. Got mopped today. Never in any game. Rethinking things.

You bailing?

Dumpster fire is a bit of an exaggeration. They went 3-0 against A level teams on Saturday and 0-3 on Sunday, with 2 of the losses coming against non WSYL teams who have older kids. They lost 8-3 to LI Express, who is likely on age for WSYL. I’m assuming that the team that played this weekend is all on age for WSYL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dumpster fire is a bit of an exaggeration. They went 3-0 against A level teams on Saturday and 0-3 on Sunday, with 2 of the losses coming against non WSYL teams who have older kids. They lost 8-3 to LI Express, who is likely on age for WSYL. I’m assuming that the team that played this weekend is all on age for WSYL.

Not sure why you're bringing up age. LE has older kids too. They're gonna play NLF teams all summer. It's just gonna be awful. WSYL has nothing to do with any of this. We're out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dumpster fire is a bit of an exaggeration. They went 3-0 against A level teams on Saturday and 0-3 on Sunday, with 2 of the losses coming against non WSYL teams who have older kids. They lost 8-3 to LI Express, who is likely on age for WSYL. I’m assuming that the team that played this weekend is all on age for WSYL.

It sounds like you think 8-3 is a close game?

I am not the original poster, nor a Leading Edge person, but 8-3 is a close game in my opinion....just saying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not the original poster, nor a Leading Edge person, but 8-3 is a close game in my opinion....just saying.

Me neither, but that's not a close game. Not a complete blowout but a dominant win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge 2025 is a real dumpster fire. Program struggling mightily. Got mopped today. Never in any game. Rethinking things.

You would have said their 22 & 23 teams were dumpster fires in the 8th grade as well. There are a lot of soft and entitled kids, they need to get beat up a little bit in order to grow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge 2025 is a real dumpster fire. Program struggling mightily. Got mopped today. Never in any game. Rethinking things.

You would have said their 22 & 23 teams were dumpster fires in the 8th grade as well. There are a lot of soft and entitled kids, they need to get beat up a little bit in order to grow.

Their 23 team certainly does not have an impressive resume of wins. A few exceptional players, but not running the table in the NLF.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge 2025 is a real dumpster fire. Program struggling mightily. Got mopped today. Never in any game. Rethinking things.

You would have said their 22 & 23 teams were dumpster fires in the 8th grade as well. There are a lot of soft and entitled kids, they need to get beat up a little bit in order to grow.

Their 23 team certainly does not have an impressive resume of wins. A few exceptional players, but not running the table in the NLF.

No one runs the table in the NLF at the '23 level and certainly not a team from NJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge 2025 is a real dumpster fire. Program struggling mightily. Got mopped today. Never in any game. Rethinking things.

You would have said their 22 & 23 teams were dumpster fires in the 8th grade as well. There are a lot of soft and entitled kids, they need to get beat up a little bit in order to grow.

Not quite. But it is true that about half of this 2025 team will be cut so the new players could improve things.

Anyone have the rosters or where to find them for Run With The Best Showcase in Tinton Falls this Sunday?

Rosters will be given out at the event.

Funny that you say the 25's are a dumpster fire. the '23 were as well 2 years ago withonly 15 kids in the fall. They are now by far the best 23 team in NJ and a top 10 national team. Each year it has improved. Their track record speaks for itself. Just this year many BBL, Patriot, and Tri State kids come over. Those teams play such weak competition. Going 14-12 in the summer is not a bad summer when playing the best kids only across the USA. That is the only way to learn how to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny that you say the 25's are a dumpster fire. the '23 were as well 2 years ago withonly 15 kids in the fall. They are now by far the best 23 team in NJ and a top 10 national team. Each year it has improved. Their track record speaks for itself. Just this year many BBL, Patriot, and Tri State kids come over. Those teams play such weak competition. Going 14-12 in the summer is not a bad summer when playing the best kids only across the USA. That is the only way to learn how to play.

Funny, the 2023 parents were not so jubilant on the sidelines this summer.

Yeah. I found it confusing too, when I noticed that a 2023 non reclass was playing on the 2024 team. At least reclass if you are going to play with the 2024 team. You can't have it both ways. I think that they have a word for this. Cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah. I found it confusing too, when I noticed that a 2023 non reclass was playing on the 2024 team. At least reclass if you are going to play with the 2024 team. You can't have it both ways. I think that they have a word for this. Cheating.

Not the first time time, 2022's playing 2023 as well. At one point I think there was a 2021 reclass to 2022 who was trying out for 2023, and for the doubters, I was at the tryout

Do not tryout at LE before HS unless you have legacy there (older son playing) or other kids coming in.

from my older sons experience, some kids are re classing and planning on a PG year at a prep school, or a prep year in military academy. the fact that they are playing down for that purpose is not unusual and has been going on for at least 10 years that I have been around watching nephews and such. I know that many reclass are extremely young for their grades like June-August birthdays, so an extra year of school is understandable, especially in Covid times. Once kids are Sophomores and juniors it really shouldn't matter given they all play high school lacrosse together. College coaches dont care if they have older more mature players when they enter college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

from my older sons experience, some kids are re classing and planning on a PG year at a prep school, or a prep year in military academy. the fact that they are playing down for that purpose is not unusual and has been going on for at least 10 years that I have been around watching nephews and such. I know that many reclass are extremely young for their grades like June-August birthdays, so an extra year of school is understandable, especially in Covid times. Once kids are Sophomores and juniors it really shouldn't matter given they all play high school lacrosse together. College coaches dont care if they have older more mature players when they enter college.

It's called cheating. Plain and simple. Play by the rules. Reclass. Then it's not cheating. My son would be embarrassed to play down - even if it was on a team filled with reclasses his age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

from my older sons experience, some kids are re classing and planning on a PG year at a prep school, or a prep year in military academy. the fact that they are playing down for that purpose is not unusual and has been going on for at least 10 years that I have been around watching nephews and such. I know that many reclass are extremely young for their grades like June-August birthdays, so an extra year of school is understandable, especially in Covid times. Once kids are Sophomores and juniors it really shouldn't matter given they all play high school lacrosse together. College coaches dont care if they have older more mature players when they enter college.

It's called cheating. Plain and simple. Play by the rules. Reclass. Then it's not cheating. My son would be embarrassed to play down - even if it was on a team filled with reclasses his age.

Frankly, a lot of the reclasses that I see in NJ are not really that great at either level. Obviously, there are exceptions, but most do it simply because they cannot compete at their age group because of size, athleticism, etc.. As for the kids that claim that they are going to PG a year, my guess is that the majority do not. I agree that there are top tier kids that reclass because the school they committed to told them to PG a year for rostering purposes, but this is definitely a rare occurrence which happens late in high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

from my older sons experience, some kids are re classing and planning on a PG year at a prep school, or a prep year in military academy. the fact that they are playing down for that purpose is not unusual and has been going on for at least 10 years that I have been around watching nephews and such. I know that many reclass are extremely young for their grades like June-August birthdays, so an extra year of school is understandable, especially in Covid times. Once kids are Sophomores and juniors it really shouldn't matter given they all play high school lacrosse together. College coaches dont care if they have older more mature players when they enter college.

It's called cheating. Plain and simple. Play by the rules. Reclass. Then it's not cheating. My son would be embarrassed to play down - even if it was on a team filled with reclasses his age.

You mean you would be embarrassed. Kids don't care

Originally Posted by Anonymous

from my older sons experience, some kids are re classing and planning on a PG year at a prep school, or a prep year in military academy. the fact that they are playing down for that purpose is not unusual and has been going on for at least 10 years that I have been around watching nephews and such. I know that many reclass are extremely young for their grades like June-August birthdays, so an extra year of school is understandable, especially in Covid times. Once kids are Sophomores and juniors it really shouldn't matter given they all play high school lacrosse together. College coaches dont care if they have older more mature players when they enter college.

It's called cheating. Plain and simple. Play by the rules. Reclass. Then it's not cheating. My son would be embarrassed to play down - even if it was on a team filled with reclasses his age.

Show me the rules you speak of.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny that you say the 25's are a dumpster fire. the '23 were as well 2 years ago withonly 15 kids in the fall. They are now by far the best 23 team in NJ and a top 10 national team. Each year it has improved. Their track record speaks for itself. Just this year many BBL, Patriot, and Tri State kids come over. Those teams play such weak competition. Going 14-12 in the summer is not a bad summer when playing the best kids only across the USA. That is the only way to learn how to play.

2023 is not by far the best NJ team. Calling them a top 10 team in the country is laughable. Those rankings are garbage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny that you say the 25's are a dumpster fire. the '23 were as well 2 years ago withonly 15 kids in the fall. They are now by far the best 23 team in NJ and a top 10 national team. Each year it has improved. Their track record speaks for itself. Just this year many BBL, Patriot, and Tri State kids come over. Those teams play such weak competition. Going 14-12 in the summer is not a bad summer when playing the best kids only across the USA. That is the only way to learn how to play.

Incorrect. The '23s were stronger 2 years ago than they were this past summer. Progressively getting worse. Most likely because they have kids who matured early and others caught up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

from my older sons experience, some kids are re classing and planning on a PG year at a prep school, or a prep year in military academy. the fact that they are playing down for that purpose is not unusual and has been going on for at least 10 years that I have been around watching nephews and such. I know that many reclass are extremely young for their grades like June-August birthdays, so an extra year of school is understandable, especially in Covid times. Once kids are Sophomores and juniors it really shouldn't matter given they all play high school lacrosse together. College coaches dont care if they have older more mature players when they enter college.

It's called cheating. Plain and simple. Play by the rules. Reclass. Then it's not cheating. My son would be embarrassed to play down - even if it was on a team filled with reclasses his age.

Show me the rules you speak of.

Ask any tournament director and they will give you the answer. Feel free to email NXT or NLF and they will let you know. But of course you don't want to be caught cheating , so you should probably use an email address that won't give you away. Just reclass your kid and stop letting them play down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

from my older sons experience, some kids are re classing and planning on a PG year at a prep school, or a prep year in military academy. the fact that they are playing down for that purpose is not unusual and has been going on for at least 10 years that I have been around watching nephews and such. I know that many reclass are extremely young for their grades like June-August birthdays, so an extra year of school is understandable, especially in Covid times. Once kids are Sophomores and juniors it really shouldn't matter given they all play high school lacrosse together. College coaches dont care if they have older more mature players when they enter college.

It's called cheating. Plain and simple. Play by the rules. Reclass. Then it's not cheating. My son would be embarrassed to play down - even if it was on a team filled with reclasses his age.

Show me the rules you speak of.

Ask any tournament director and they will give you the answer. Feel free to email NXT or NLF and they will let you know. But of course you don't want to be caught cheating , so you should probably use an email address that won't give you away. Just reclass your kid and stop letting them play down.

So I guess that means you can't show me the rules. Hint: there are none.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny that you say the 25's are a dumpster fire. the '23 were as well 2 years ago withonly 15 kids in the fall. They are now by far the best 23 team in NJ and a top 10 national team. Each year it has improved. Their track record speaks for itself. Just this year many BBL, Patriot, and Tri State kids come over. Those teams play such weak competition. Going 14-12 in the summer is not a bad summer when playing the best kids only across the USA. That is the only way to learn how to play.

Funny, the 2023 parents were not so jubilant on the sidelines this summer.

Yeah, definitely not improving year over year.

What position is the non reclass playing on the 2024 LE team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What position is the non reclass playing on the 2024 LE team?

I'm not going to go there. It's the fault of the parent and the club. Everyone knows he is playing down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

from my older sons experience, some kids are re classing and planning on a PG year at a prep school, or a prep year in military academy. the fact that they are playing down for that purpose is not unusual and has been going on for at least 10 years that I have been around watching nephews and such. I know that many reclass are extremely young for their grades like June-August birthdays, so an extra year of school is understandable, especially in Covid times. Once kids are Sophomores and juniors it really shouldn't matter given they all play high school lacrosse together. College coaches dont care if they have older more mature players when they enter college.

It's called cheating. Plain and simple. Play by the rules. Reclass. Then it's not cheating. My son would be embarrassed to play down - even if it was on a team filled with reclasses his age.

Show me the rules you speak of.

Most, if not all tournaments, require that a player plays on a team that corresponds to their graduation year. Therefore, if a 2023 is playing on a 2024 team, it's against the rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

from my older sons experience, some kids are re classing and planning on a PG year at a prep school, or a prep year in military academy. the fact that they are playing down for that purpose is not unusual and has been going on for at least 10 years that I have been around watching nephews and such. I know that many reclass are extremely young for their grades like June-August birthdays, so an extra year of school is understandable, especially in Covid times. Once kids are Sophomores and juniors it really shouldn't matter given they all play high school lacrosse together. College coaches dont care if they have older more mature players when they enter college.

It's called cheating. Plain and simple. Play by the rules. Reclass. Then it's not cheating. My son would be embarrassed to play down - even if it was on a team filled with reclasses his age.

Show me the rules you speak of.

Most, if not all tournaments, require that a player plays on a team that corresponds to their graduation year. Therefore, if a 2023 is playing on a 2024 team, it's against the rules.

If that kid is going to PG, aren't they considered a 2024? I don't know the kid, just wondering how it is characterized.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

from my older sons experience, some kids are re classing and planning on a PG year at a prep school, or a prep year in military academy. the fact that they are playing down for that purpose is not unusual and has been going on for at least 10 years that I have been around watching nephews and such. I know that many reclass are extremely young for their grades like June-August birthdays, so an extra year of school is understandable, especially in Covid times. Once kids are Sophomores and juniors it really shouldn't matter given they all play high school lacrosse together. College coaches dont care if they have older more mature players when they enter college.

It's called cheating. Plain and simple. Play by the rules. Reclass. Then it's not cheating. My son would be embarrassed to play down - even if it was on a team filled with reclasses his age.

Show me the rules you speak of.

Most, if not all tournaments, require that a player plays on a team that corresponds to their graduation year. Therefore, if a 2023 is playing on a 2024 team, it's against the rules.

If that kid is going to PG, aren't they considered a 2024? I don't know the kid, just wondering how it is characterized.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

from my older sons experience, some kids are re classing and planning on a PG year at a prep school, or a prep year in military academy. the fact that they are playing down for that purpose is not unusual and has been going on for at least 10 years that I have been around watching nephews and such. I know that many reclass are extremely young for their grades like June-August birthdays, so an extra year of school is understandable, especially in Covid times. Once kids are Sophomores and juniors it really shouldn't matter given they all play high school lacrosse together. College coaches dont care if they have older more mature players when they enter college.

It's called cheating. Plain and simple. Play by the rules. Reclass. Then it's not cheating. My son would be embarrassed to play down - even if it was on a team filled with reclasses his age.

Show me the rules you speak of.

Most, if not all tournaments, require that a player plays on a team that corresponds to their graduation year. Therefore, if a 2023 is playing on a 2024 team, it's against the rules.

No, they don't. that the problem with club lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

from my older sons experience, some kids are re classing and planning on a PG year at a prep school, or a prep year in military academy. the fact that they are playing down for that purpose is not unusual and has been going on for at least 10 years that I have been around watching nephews and such. I know that many reclass are extremely young for their grades like June-August birthdays, so an extra year of school is understandable, especially in Covid times. Once kids are Sophomores and juniors it really shouldn't matter given they all play high school lacrosse together. College coaches dont care if they have older more mature players when they enter college.

It's called cheating. Plain and simple. Play by the rules. Reclass. Then it's not cheating. My son would be embarrassed to play down - even if it was on a team filled with reclasses his age.

Show me the rules you speak of.

Most, if not all tournaments, require that a player plays on a team that corresponds to their graduation year. Therefore, if a 2023 is playing on a 2024 team, it's against the rules.

That is correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

from my older sons experience, some kids are re classing and planning on a PG year at a prep school, or a prep year in military academy. the fact that they are playing down for that purpose is not unusual and has been going on for at least 10 years that I have been around watching nephews and such. I know that many reclass are extremely young for their grades like June-August birthdays, so an extra year of school is understandable, especially in Covid times. Once kids are Sophomores and juniors it really shouldn't matter given they all play high school lacrosse together. College coaches dont care if they have older more mature players when they enter college.

It's called cheating. Plain and simple. Play by the rules. Reclass. Then it's not cheating. My son would be embarrassed to play down - even if it was on a team filled with reclasses his age.

Show me the rules you speak of.

Most, if not all tournaments, require that a player plays on a team that corresponds to their graduation year. Therefore, if a 2023 is playing on a 2024 team, it's against the rules.

If that kid is going to PG, aren't they considered a 2024? I don't know the kid, just wondering how it is characterized.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

from my older sons experience, some kids are re classing and planning on a PG year at a prep school, or a prep year in military academy. the fact that they are playing down for that purpose is not unusual and has been going on for at least 10 years that I have been around watching nephews and such. I know that many reclass are extremely young for their grades like June-August birthdays, so an extra year of school is understandable, especially in Covid times. Once kids are Sophomores and juniors it really shouldn't matter given they all play high school lacrosse together. College coaches dont care if they have older more mature players when they enter college.

It's called cheating. Plain and simple. Play by the rules. Reclass. Then it's not cheating. My son would be embarrassed to play down - even if it was on a team filled with reclasses his age.

Show me the rules you speak of.

Most, if not all tournaments, require that a player plays on a team that corresponds to their graduation year. Therefore, if a 2023 is playing on a 2024 team, it's against the rules.

No, they don't. that the problem with club lax.

If you register for any tournament, they ask what grade the player is in, I think the issue is that the parents are probably not being truthful when completing the registration, and tournaments do not verify. This is why US lacrosse is starting to institute age verification for the younger age groups, older kids are basically grandfathered at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What position is the non reclass playing on the 2024 LE team?

I'm not going to go there. It's the fault of the parent and the club. Everyone knows he is playing down.

This is some shady stuff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What position is the non reclass playing on the 2024 LE team?

I'm not going to go there. It's the fault of the parent and the club. Everyone knows he is playing down.

This is some shady stuff.

The best part about these posts is they were started by a 2025 LE parent who is upset that their sliver spoon son had playing time taken away. Not saying it was the right thing to do but the reclass kid isn't that good or big enough for anyone on any other team to notice.
LE typically cuts 5 to 8 kids when the boys move into high school. Maybe the parent that started these post should move their snowflake now so he doesn't learn anything from not making a team.

2025 WSYL NJ Teams
4 out of the 5 NJ could end up qualifying this weekend. Mad Dog is the only question mark, they have the worst draw in the tournament. The 2 best teams (Madlax and Black Ops) and Jersey Express beat us on Sunday.

It would be really nice if NJ gets that many teams in. There is a lot of talent here and it shows we are catching up to NY and Maryland (yes I know we will never catch all the way up to you negative Nelly's). At the conclusion of this summer, the 2023 BBL and Leading Edge teams probably put around 35 kids combined Division 1. They will do it again the following year because both their 2024 teams are stacked, with the exception of the bottom quarter of the rosters.

I hope the 2024's can finally play each other this summer. I know we are both in the NAL Tourney but I am not sure if we are in any others together. It would probably have to be in a playoff game as the tournaments usually keep the same state teams in different divisions as best they can.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be really nice if NJ gets that many teams in. There is a lot of talent here and it shows we are catching up to NY and Maryland (yes I know we will never catch all the way up to you negative Nelly's). At the conclusion of this summer, the 2023 BBL and Leading Edge teams probably put around 35 kids combined Division 1. They will do it again the following year because both their 2024 teams are stacked, with the exception of the bottom quarter of the rosters.

Do you mean the 2022s? 2023s haven't committed yet. And I don't know if you've seen leading edges teams lately but there is a big drop off in talent below 2022. BBL is the stronger club at those levels.

This first statement was in reference to the NJ WSYL teams a few posts up.

The second statement transitioned from the talent of the NJ WSYL teams, referring the talent here in NJ, juxtaposing how the 2023's for BBL and Leading Edge will begin committing September 1st, 2021, about 6 months away, and how about 35 of them combined will go D1. Likewise, I mentioned that both of their 2024 teams are more talented then their 2023 teams.

I am not sure what drop off your talking about for Leading Edge. Their 2023's are good and their 2024's are more talented and on the verge of being really good. The bottom quarter of both BBL and Leading Edge 2023 & 2024 are subpar. The top 17 on BBL 2024 and top 16 Leading Edge 2024 are all really good. Everyone on both clubs knows the 2023 players very well and who is talented and who is not, on both of their respective 2023 teams.

My initial post gave both teams compliments. I was keeping it positive.

Not the original poster. How can you say BBL 2024 is the stronger team if they never played each other and they have about the same results in common opponents?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first statement was in reference to the NJ WSYL teams a few posts up.

The second statement transitioned from the talent of the NJ WSYL teams, referring the talent here in NJ, juxtaposing how the 2023's for BBL and Leading Edge will begin committing September 1st, 2021, about 6 months away, and how about 35 of them combined will go D1. Likewise, I mentioned that both of their 2024 teams are more talented then their 2023 teams.

I am not sure what drop off your talking about for Leading Edge. Their 2023's are good and their 2024's are more talented and on the verge of being really good. The bottom quarter of both BBL and Leading Edge 2023 & 2024 are subpar. The top 17 on BBL 2024 and top 16 Leading Edge 2024 are all really good. Everyone on both clubs knows the 2023 players very well and who is talented and who is not, on both of their respective 2023 teams.

My initial post gave both teams compliments. I was keeping it positive.

It's a tough analysis, but appreciate the attempt at staying positive. BBL has certainly done a pretty decent job keeping their teams together, but I do agree that LE is struggling below 22's because the younger kids are sticking with their clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first statement was in reference to the NJ WSYL teams a few posts up.

The second statement transitioned from the talent of the NJ WSYL teams, referring the talent here in NJ, juxtaposing how the 2023's for BBL and Leading Edge will begin committing September 1st, 2021, about 6 months away, and how about 35 of them combined will go D1. Likewise, I mentioned that both of their 2024 teams are more talented then their 2023 teams.

I am not sure what drop off your talking about for Leading Edge. Their 2023's are good and their 2024's are more talented and on the verge of being really good. The bottom quarter of both BBL and Leading Edge 2023 & 2024 are subpar. The top 17 on BBL 2024 and top 16 Leading Edge 2024 are all really good. Everyone on both clubs knows the 2023 players very well and who is talented and who is not, on both of their respective 2023 teams.

My initial post gave both teams compliments. I was keeping it positive.

Fair enough. But I don't agree with your assessment of the talent on LEs 2024 team (there are only 2-3 strong players, not 16). BBL is probably 10-12 deep for 2024s. Not trying to be negative, just realistic. 2023 LE is probably 4-5 elite kids, about the same as BBL. 35 D1 kids is a major stretch. It's just not the same program where they had 10-15 top level kids each year.

Thank goodness Tribal got rid of those awful uniforms that made them look like Aztecs and moved to Express. I see they have WSYL U13 and U14 teams. Do they have enough talent to beat good teams? Has either won a decent tournament or beaten a good team?

I would be surprised if Tribal/SJ Express U14 didn't advance to next round. My son's team has played them. I don't know if they have any older kids who are not eligible for WSYL, but they are a good team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first statement was in reference to the NJ WSYL teams a few posts up.

The second statement transitioned from the talent of the NJ WSYL teams, referring the talent here in NJ, juxtaposing how the 2023's for BBL and Leading Edge will begin committing September 1st, 2021, about 6 months away, and how about 35 of them combined will go D1. Likewise, I mentioned that both of their 2024 teams are more talented then their 2023 teams.

I am not sure what drop off your talking about for Leading Edge. Their 2023's are good and their 2024's are more talented and on the verge of being really good. The bottom quarter of both BBL and Leading Edge 2023 & 2024 are subpar. The top 17 on BBL 2024 and top 16 Leading Edge 2024 are all really good. Everyone on both clubs knows the 2023 players very well and who is talented and who is not, on both of their respective 2023 teams.

My initial post gave both teams compliments. I was keeping it positive.

It's a tough analysis, but appreciate the attempt at staying positive. BBL has certainly done a pretty decent job keeping their teams together, but I do agree that LE is struggling below 22's because the younger kids are sticking with their clubs.

Not putting much into the rankings but isn't LE 2023 ranked in the top 10? Even if you think the rankings are total b/s how can you say that team is struggling?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first statement was in reference to the NJ WSYL teams a few posts up.

The second statement transitioned from the talent of the NJ WSYL teams, referring the talent here in NJ, juxtaposing how the 2023's for BBL and Leading Edge will begin committing September 1st, 2021, about 6 months away, and how about 35 of them combined will go D1. Likewise, I mentioned that both of their 2024 teams are more talented then their 2023 teams.

I am not sure what drop off your talking about for Leading Edge. Their 2023's are good and their 2024's are more talented and on the verge of being really good. The bottom quarter of both BBL and Leading Edge 2023 & 2024 are subpar. The top 17 on BBL 2024 and top 16 Leading Edge 2024 are all really good. Everyone on both clubs knows the 2023 players very well and who is talented and who is not, on both of their respective 2023 teams.

My initial post gave both teams compliments. I was keeping it positive.

Fair enough. But I don't agree with your assessment of the talent on LEs 2024 team (there are only 2-3 strong players, not 16). BBL is probably 10-12 deep for 2024s. Not trying to be negative, just realistic. 2023 LE is probably 4-5 elite kids, about the same as BBL. 35 D1 kids is a major stretch. It's just not the same program where they had 10-15 top level kids each year.

How do you have this much knowledge about the 24s & 23s? Are you reading the post about who is going to what showcase or are you really watching the two teams play? To my knowledge, the teams have only been at one tournament together. Additionally, the club directors made sure the kids didn't play on the same "all-star teams"
My point, you have no clue what you are talking about. The original post might have been optimistic but not unrealistic. Maybe BBL & LE are made up of very smart kids whose parents can write the check so all 50 kids play D1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first statement was in reference to the NJ WSYL teams a few posts up.

The second statement transitioned from the talent of the NJ WSYL teams, referring the talent here in NJ, juxtaposing how the 2023's for BBL and Leading Edge will begin committing September 1st, 2021, about 6 months away, and how about 35 of them combined will go D1. Likewise, I mentioned that both of their 2024 teams are more talented then their 2023 teams.

I am not sure what drop off your talking about for Leading Edge. Their 2023's are good and their 2024's are more talented and on the verge of being really good. The bottom quarter of both BBL and Leading Edge 2023 & 2024 are subpar. The top 17 on BBL 2024 and top 16 Leading Edge 2024 are all really good. Everyone on both clubs knows the 2023 players very well and who is talented and who is not, on both of their respective 2023 teams.

My initial post gave both teams compliments. I was keeping it positive.

Fair enough. But I don't agree with your assessment of the talent on LEs 2024 team (there are only 2-3 strong players, not 16). BBL is probably 10-12 deep for 2024s. Not trying to be negative, just realistic. 2023 LE is probably 4-5 elite kids, about the same as BBL. 35 D1 kids is a major stretch. It's just not the same program where they had 10-15 top level kids each year.

How do you have this much knowledge about the 24s & 23s? Are you reading the post about who is going to what showcase or are you really watching the two teams play? To my knowledge, the teams have only been at one tournament together. Additionally, the club directors made sure the kids didn't play on the same "all-star teams"
My point, you have no clue what you are talking about. The original post might have been optimistic but not unrealistic. Maybe BBL & LE are made up of very smart kids whose parents can write the check so all 50 kids play D1.

I have seen them. Your response confirms you don't know what you are talking about. You can't just write a check to get your kid on a D1 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first statement was in reference to the NJ WSYL teams a few posts up.

The second statement transitioned from the talent of the NJ WSYL teams, referring the talent here in NJ, juxtaposing how the 2023's for BBL and Leading Edge will begin committing September 1st, 2021, about 6 months away, and how about 35 of them combined will go D1. Likewise, I mentioned that both of their 2024 teams are more talented then their 2023 teams.

I am not sure what drop off your talking about for Leading Edge. Their 2023's are good and their 2024's are more talented and on the verge of being really good. The bottom quarter of both BBL and Leading Edge 2023 & 2024 are subpar. The top 17 on BBL 2024 and top 16 Leading Edge 2024 are all really good. Everyone on both clubs knows the 2023 players very well and who is talented and who is not, on both of their respective 2023 teams.

My initial post gave both teams compliments. I was keeping it positive.

Fair enough. But I don't agree with your assessment of the talent on LEs 2024 team (there are only 2-3 strong players, not 16). BBL is probably 10-12 deep for 2024s. Not trying to be negative, just realistic. 2023 LE is probably 4-5 elite kids, about the same as BBL. 35 D1 kids is a major stretch. It's just not the same program where they had 10-15 top level kids each year.

How do you have this much knowledge about the 24s & 23s? Are you reading the post about who is going to what showcase or are you really watching the two teams play? To my knowledge, the teams have only been at one tournament together. Additionally, the club directors made sure the kids didn't play on the same "all-star teams"
My point, you have no clue what you are talking about. The original post might have been optimistic but not unrealistic. Maybe BBL & LE are made up of very smart kids whose parents can write the check so all 50 kids play D1.

I have seen them. Your response confirms you don't know what you are talking about. You can't just write a check to get your kid on a D1 team.

12.6 scholarships.. all things being equal, kids that don't need financial aid are more likely to be taken than kids that do. To quote the great Bill Murray "That's a fact Jack"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first statement was in reference to the NJ WSYL teams a few posts up.

The second statement transitioned from the talent of the NJ WSYL teams, referring the talent here in NJ, juxtaposing how the 2023's for BBL and Leading Edge will begin committing September 1st, 2021, about 6 months away, and how about 35 of them combined will go D1. Likewise, I mentioned that both of their 2024 teams are more talented then their 2023 teams.

I am not sure what drop off your talking about for Leading Edge. Their 2023's are good and their 2024's are more talented and on the verge of being really good. The bottom quarter of both BBL and Leading Edge 2023 & 2024 are subpar. The top 17 on BBL 2024 and top 16 Leading Edge 2024 are all really good. Everyone on both clubs knows the 2023 players very well and who is talented and who is not, on both of their respective 2023 teams.

My initial post gave both teams compliments. I was keeping it positive.

It's a tough analysis, but appreciate the attempt at staying positive. BBL has certainly done a pretty decent job keeping their teams together, but I do agree that LE is struggling below 22's because the younger kids are sticking with their clubs.

Not putting much into the rankings but isn't LE 2023 ranked in the top 10? Even if you think the rankings are total b/s how can you say that team is struggling?

Not saying they aren't a good team, but they are not the juggernaut that some would like to believe. Regardless of one's feelings about the rankings, there is a big divide between the top 5 teams and the rest of the pack.

Leading Edge has basically put about 18 kids D1 every year. I don't see why they wouldn't do the same with the 23's and 24's. YES -BBL has caught up with them in this area and will send around the same amount of people D1 as well. Very minimal scholarship money. Mostly rich and smart kids are playing anyway. To the dude who was asking how do you know who is good; once you know the kids on each teams name, there is a lot out there. Now they are all in the same schools with each other so everyone knows everyone and everyone knows who is good and who is not. Like the guy said, both teams in both ages are going to put 15 each at the next level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge has basically put about 18 kids D1 every year. I don't see why they wouldn't do the same with the 23's and 24's. YES -BBL has caught up with them in this area and will send around the same amount of people D1 as well. Very minimal scholarship money. Mostly rich and smart kids are playing anyway. To the dude who was asking how do you know who is good; once you know the kids on each teams name, there is a lot out there. Now they are all in the same schools with each other so everyone knows everyone and everyone knows who is good and who is not. Like the guy said, both teams in both ages are going to put 15 each at the next level.

So, you think that LE and BBL are going to place 18 kids each at D1 every year, that seems pretty aggressive. I could be wrong, but I do not think that those number are realistic going forward for LE. In past years, all of the top kids played for LE, not so much anymore, so they do not have the same talent depth on the roster. These days, the top kids on on Tri-State, Riot, Blue Star, etc., who would normally be playing for LE are not, and don't kid yourself if you think that the top kids on those teams are not as good, if not better, than the kids on LE, or BBL for that matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge has basically put about 18 kids D1 every year. I don't see why they wouldn't do the same with the 23's and 24's. YES -BBL has caught up with them in this area and will send around the same amount of people D1 as well. Very minimal scholarship money. Mostly rich and smart kids are playing anyway. To the dude who was asking how do you know who is good; once you know the kids on each teams name, there is a lot out there. Now they are all in the same schools with each other so everyone knows everyone and everyone knows who is good and who is not. Like the guy said, both teams in both ages are going to put 15 each at the next level.

So, you think that LE and BBL are going to place 18 kids each at D1 every year, that seems pretty aggressive. I could be wrong, but I do not think that those number are realistic going forward for LE. In past years, all of the top kids played for LE, not so much anymore, so they do not have the same talent depth on the roster. These days, the top kids on on Tri-State, Riot, Blue Star, etc., who would normally be playing for LE are not, and don't kid yourself if you think that the top kids on those teams are not as good, if not better, than the kids on LE, or BBL for that matter.

Just counted 70+ NJ D1 2021 players in the IL database and I'm sure I missed a few. That's 5 teams with 14 each and that doesn't include the high-level D3 schools.
Maybe the talent pool in NJ has increased?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge has basically put about 18 kids D1 every year. I don't see why they wouldn't do the same with the 23's and 24's. YES -BBL has caught up with them in this area and will send around the same amount of people D1 as well. Very minimal scholarship money. Mostly rich and smart kids are playing anyway. To the dude who was asking how do you know who is good; once you know the kids on each teams name, there is a lot out there. Now they are all in the same schools with each other so everyone knows everyone and everyone knows who is good and who is not. Like the guy said, both teams in both ages are going to put 15 each at the next level.

So, you think that LE and BBL are going to place 18 kids each at D1 every year, that seems pretty aggressive. I could be wrong, but I do not think that those number are realistic going forward for LE. In past years, all of the top kids played for LE, not so much anymore, so they do not have the same talent depth on the roster. These days, the top kids on on Tri-State, Riot, Blue Star, etc., who would normally be playing for LE are not, and don't kid yourself if you think that the top kids on those teams are not as good, if not better, than the kids on LE, or BBL for that matter.

Just counted 70+ NJ D1 2021 players in the IL database and I'm sure I missed a few. That's 5 teams with 14 each and that doesn't include the high-level D3 schools.
Maybe the talent pool in NJ has increased?

Definitely a possibility, but I wonder whether it has anything to do with the expansion of D1 lacrosse programs, many more schools in the mix these days, so more D1 spots available, although, I would much rather have my kid at one of those D3 schools over 75% of the D1 programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not the original poster. How can you say BBL 2024 is the stronger team if they never played each other and they have about the same results in common opponents?

Because I've seen them both play and it isn't close. They do not have the same results against the top teams. BBL 2024 can challenge the top NLF clubs. Why do you think the top LI teams invite BBL to play in play days and not LE? It's because they are better and the best play the best. The bottom line is you will find out for sure this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge has basically put about 18 kids D1 every year. I don't see why they wouldn't do the same with the 23's and 24's. YES -BBL has caught up with them in this area and will send around the same amount of people D1 as well. Very minimal scholarship money. Mostly rich and smart kids are playing anyway. To the dude who was asking how do you know who is good; once you know the kids on each teams name, there is a lot out there. Now they are all in the same schools with each other so everyone knows everyone and everyone knows who is good and who is not. Like the guy said, both teams in both ages are going to put 15 each at the next level.

So, you think that LE and BBL are going to place 18 kids each at D1 every year, that seems pretty aggressive. I could be wrong, but I do not think that those number are realistic going forward for LE. In past years, all of the top kids played for LE, not so much anymore, so they do not have the same talent depth on the roster. These days, the top kids on on Tri-State, Riot, Blue Star, etc., who would normally be playing for LE are not, and don't kid yourself if you think that the top kids on those teams are not as good, if not better, than the kids on LE, or BBL for that matter.

Just counted 70+ NJ D1 2021 players in the IL database and I'm sure I missed a few. That's 5 teams with 14 each and that doesn't include the high-level D3 schools.
Maybe the talent pool in NJ has increased?

Definitely a possibility, but I wonder whether it has anything to do with the expansion of D1 lacrosse programs, many more schools in the mix these days, so more D1 spots available, although, I would much rather have my kid at one of those D3 schools over 75% of the D1 programs.

Right. There's D1 and then there's low level D1. You can't really count a kid going to NJIT or Monmouth on the same level as someone going to Duke or UNC, nor can you count them over Amherst or Williams. Counting D1 recruits isn't really the correct metric. If you look at the commits and weight the schools, BBL is trending up and LE is trending down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge has basically put about 18 kids D1 every year. I don't see why they wouldn't do the same with the 23's and 24's. YES -BBL has caught up with them in this area and will send around the same amount of people D1 as well. Very minimal scholarship money. Mostly rich and smart kids are playing anyway. To the dude who was asking how do you know who is good; once you know the kids on each teams name, there is a lot out there. Now they are all in the same schools with each other so everyone knows everyone and everyone knows who is good and who is not. Like the guy said, both teams in both ages are going to put 15 each at the next level.

So, you think that LE and BBL are going to place 18 kids each at D1 every year, that seems pretty aggressive. I could be wrong, but I do not think that those number are realistic going forward for LE. In past years, all of the top kids played for LE, not so much anymore, so they do not have the same talent depth on the roster. These days, the top kids on on Tri-State, Riot, Blue Star, etc., who would normally be playing for LE are not, and don't kid yourself if you think that the top kids on those teams are not as good, if not better, than the kids on LE, or BBL for that matter.

Just counted 70+ NJ D1 2021 players in the IL database and I'm sure I missed a few. That's 5 teams with 14 each and that doesn't include the high-level D3 schools.
Maybe the talent pool in NJ has increased?

Definitely a possibility, but I wonder whether it has anything to do with the expansion of D1 lacrosse programs, many more schools in the mix these days, so more D1 spots available, although, I would much rather have my kid at one of those D3 schools over 75% of the D1 programs.

College programs are expanding much slower than at the national HS level. That means more kids from other parts of the country are competing for the same number of spots. That will lead to fewer NJ kids playing in college over time, unless something changes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first statement was in reference to the NJ WSYL teams a few posts up.

The second statement transitioned from the talent of the NJ WSYL teams, referring the talent here in NJ, juxtaposing how the 2023's for BBL and Leading Edge will begin committing September 1st, 2021, about 6 months away, and how about 35 of them combined will go D1. Likewise, I mentioned that both of their 2024 teams are more talented then their 2023 teams.

I am not sure what drop off your talking about for Leading Edge. Their 2023's are good and their 2024's are more talented and on the verge of being really good. The bottom quarter of both BBL and Leading Edge 2023 & 2024 are subpar. The top 17 on BBL 2024 and top 16 Leading Edge 2024 are all really good. Everyone on both clubs knows the 2023 players very well and who is talented and who is not, on both of their respective 2023 teams.

My initial post gave both teams compliments. I was keeping it positive.

It's a tough analysis, but appreciate the attempt at staying positive. BBL has certainly done a pretty decent job keeping their teams together, but I do agree that LE is struggling below 22's because the younger kids are sticking with their clubs.

Not putting much into the rankings but isn't LE 2023 ranked in the top 10? Even if you think the rankings are total b/s how can you say that team is struggling?

I think people mean struggling to stay on par with LE team in past years. They are still a solid team. Not top 10 by any stretch but solid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first statement was in reference to the NJ WSYL teams a few posts up.

The second statement transitioned from the talent of the NJ WSYL teams, referring the talent here in NJ, juxtaposing how the 2023's for BBL and Leading Edge will begin committing September 1st, 2021, about 6 months away, and how about 35 of them combined will go D1. Likewise, I mentioned that both of their 2024 teams are more talented then their 2023 teams.

I am not sure what drop off your talking about for Leading Edge. Their 2023's are good and their 2024's are more talented and on the verge of being really good. The bottom quarter of both BBL and Leading Edge 2023 & 2024 are subpar. The top 17 on BBL 2024 and top 16 Leading Edge 2024 are all really good. Everyone on both clubs knows the 2023 players very well and who is talented and who is not, on both of their respective 2023 teams.

My initial post gave both teams compliments. I was keeping it positive.

Fair enough. But I don't agree with your assessment of the talent on LEs 2024 team (there are only 2-3 strong players, not 16). BBL is probably 10-12 deep for 2024s. Not trying to be negative, just realistic. 2023 LE is probably 4-5 elite kids, about the same as BBL. 35 D1 kids is a major stretch. It's just not the same program where they had 10-15 top level kids each year.

How do you have this much knowledge about the 24s & 23s? Are you reading the post about who is going to what showcase or are you really watching the two teams play? To my knowledge, the teams have only been at one tournament together. Additionally, the club directors made sure the kids didn't play on the same "all-star teams"
My point, you have no clue what you are talking about. The original post might have been optimistic but not unrealistic. Maybe BBL & LE are made up of very smart kids whose parents can write the check so all 50 kids play D1.

I have seen them. Your response confirms you don't know what you are talking about. You can't just write a check to get your kid on a D1 team.

12.6 scholarships.. all things being equal, kids that don't need financial aid are more likely to be taken than kids that do. To quote the great Bill Murray "That's a fact Jack"

This is very incorrect. They divvy them up into 8ths with only a select group getting 50% and full.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first statement was in reference to the NJ WSYL teams a few posts up.

The second statement transitioned from the talent of the NJ WSYL teams, referring the talent here in NJ, juxtaposing how the 2023's for BBL and Leading Edge will begin committing September 1st, 2021, about 6 months away, and how about 35 of them combined will go D1. Likewise, I mentioned that both of their 2024 teams are more talented then their 2023 teams.

I am not sure what drop off your talking about for Leading Edge. Their 2023's are good and their 2024's are more talented and on the verge of being really good. The bottom quarter of both BBL and Leading Edge 2023 & 2024 are subpar. The top 17 on BBL 2024 and top 16 Leading Edge 2024 are all really good. Everyone on both clubs knows the 2023 players very well and who is talented and who is not, on both of their respective 2023 teams.

My initial post gave both teams compliments. I was keeping it positive.

Fair enough. But I don't agree with your assessment of the talent on LEs 2024 team (there are only 2-3 strong players, not 16). BBL is probably 10-12 deep for 2024s. Not trying to be negative, just realistic. 2023 LE is probably 4-5 elite kids, about the same as BBL. 35 D1 kids is a major stretch. It's just not the same program where they had 10-15 top level kids each year.

How do you have this much knowledge about the 24s & 23s? Are you reading the post about who is going to what showcase or are you really watching the two teams play? To my knowledge, the teams have only been at one tournament together. Additionally, the club directors made sure the kids didn't play on the same "all-star teams"
My point, you have no clue what you are talking about. The original post might have been optimistic but not unrealistic. Maybe BBL & LE are made up of very smart kids whose parents can write the check so all 50 kids play D1.

I have seen them. Your response confirms you don't know what you are talking about. You can't just write a check to get your kid on a D1 team.

12.6 scholarships.. all things being equal, kids that don't need financial aid are more likely to be taken than kids that do. To quote the great Bill Murray "That's a fact Jack"

This is very incorrect. They divvy them up into 8ths with only a select group getting 50% and full.

Is that what your club director told you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge has basically put about 18 kids D1 every year. I don't see why they wouldn't do the same with the 23's and 24's. YES -BBL has caught up with them in this area and will send around the same amount of people D1 as well. Very minimal scholarship money. Mostly rich and smart kids are playing anyway. To the dude who was asking how do you know who is good; once you know the kids on each teams name, there is a lot out there. Now they are all in the same schools with each other so everyone knows everyone and everyone knows who is good and who is not. Like the guy said, both teams in both ages are going to put 15 each at the next level.

So, you think that LE and BBL are going to place 18 kids each at D1 every year, that seems pretty aggressive. I could be wrong, but I do not think that those number are realistic going forward for LE. In past years, all of the top kids played for LE, not so much anymore, so they do not have the same talent depth on the roster. These days, the top kids on on Tri-State, Riot, Blue Star, etc., who would normally be playing for LE are not, and don't kid yourself if you think that the top kids on those teams are not as good, if not better, than the kids on LE, or BBL for that matter.

Just counted 70+ NJ D1 2021 players in the IL database and I'm sure I missed a few. That's 5 teams with 14 each and that doesn't include the high-level D3 schools.
Maybe the talent pool in NJ has increased?

Definitely a possibility, but I wonder whether it has anything to do with the expansion of D1 lacrosse programs, many more schools in the mix these days, so more D1 spots available, although, I would much rather have my kid at one of those D3 schools over 75% of the D1 programs.

Right. There's D1 and then there's low level D1. You can't really count a kid going to NJIT or Monmouth on the same level as someone going to Duke or UNC, nor can you count them over Amherst or Williams. Counting D1 recruits isn't really the correct metric. If you look at the commits and weight the schools, BBL is trending up and LE is trending down.

Could not agree more.....get the grades, many more options

If NJIT is the only school my kid was recruited to, I'd tell him to hang up the cleats. The point of college is to get set up for the rest of life. not to hang on to some sort of perceived athletic glory. It's over. Let him move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If NJIT is the only school my kid was recruited to, I'd tell him to hang up the cleats. The point of college is to get set up for the rest of life. not to hang on to some sort of perceived athletic glory. It's over. Let him move on.

There are plenty of kids who would gladly take those spots at NJIT. It's a good school. Don't be a snob. Not fair to target that school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If NJIT is the only school my kid was recruited to, I'd tell him to hang up the cleats. The point of college is to get set up for the rest of life. not to hang on to some sort of perceived athletic glory. It's over. Let him move on.

There are plenty of kids who would gladly take those spots at NJIT. It's a good school. Don't be a snob. Not fair to target that school.

NJIT is certainly not an academic compromise, similar to Stevens, I think that you really need to look South for more appropriate examples.

Just jumping on this on a slow day at work.
Older son played leading Edge 2019 team
8 poles, 1 goalie, 5 middies, 6 attackmen all went d1, with 3 Nescac players
Knowing the ‘2023 LE very well, 2 goalies, 5-6 poles, 4-5 middies, 3-4 attack probably same situation albeit not as dominant as 2010 to 2019 teams for sure.
So comments above are directionally correct but still the dominant team in the class and would beat BBL 8-5 this summer. I guess we will have to see at NAL.
Good luck to all. Go NJ!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just jumping on this on a slow day at work.
Older son played leading Edge 2019 team
8 poles, 1 goalie, 5 middies, 6 attackmen all went d1, with 3 Nescac players
Knowing the ‘2023 LE very well, 2 goalies, 5-6 poles, 4-5 middies, 3-4 attack probably same situation albeit not as dominant as 2010 to 2019 teams for sure.
So comments above are directionally correct but still the dominant team in the class and would beat BBL 8-5 this summer. I guess we will have to see at NAL.
Good luck to all. Go NJ!

they would beat BBL 10-4..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just jumping on this on a slow day at work.
Older son played leading Edge 2019 team
8 poles, 1 goalie, 5 middies, 6 attackmen all went d1, with 3 Nescac players
Knowing the ‘2023 LE very well, 2 goalies, 5-6 poles, 4-5 middies, 3-4 attack probably same situation albeit not as dominant as 2010 to 2019 teams for sure.
So comments above are directionally correct but still the dominant team in the class and would beat BBL 8-5 this summer. I guess we will have to see at NAL.
Good luck to all. Go NJ!

BBL doesn't win a face-off

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just jumping on this on a slow day at work.
Older son played leading Edge 2019 team
8 poles, 1 goalie, 5 middies, 6 attackmen all went d1, with 3 Nescac players
Knowing the ‘2023 LE very well, 2 goalies, 5-6 poles, 4-5 middies, 3-4 attack probably same situation albeit not as dominant as 2010 to 2019 teams for sure.
So comments above are directionally correct but still the dominant team in the class and would beat BBL 8-5 this summer. I guess we will have to see at NAL.
Good luck to all. Go NJ!

BBL doesn't win a face-off

LE would own the face offs but they are a turnover machine so it would cancel out. I think it's a close game but LE wins by 2.

Thoughts on SSDMs getting recruited? Does it happen a lot or are they the last to go? Seems like they are overlooked and college coaches just convert O middies. Any real examples you can think of?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on SSDMs getting recruited? Does it happen a lot or are they the last to go? Seems like they are overlooked and college coaches just convert O middies. Any real examples you can think of?

I think that there are definitely quite a few SSDMs that are offensive players being put on the back burner for use down the road, but there are plenty of kids getting looks as two-way midfielders with an emphasis on the defensive end. A good SSDM is a great asset, and you can't win games with the ball at the other end of the field all day. The midfielder from Syracuse is the prototype 2-way midfielder, big and can play on the offensive side as well, but has a more defined role as a defender because that team is stacked with O middies. I do not think that there is a disadvantage because some of the highly sought after offensive players go first. Personally, I think the challenge is more about the number of poles because you can shift defenders and LSMs more easily.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If NJIT is the only school my kid was recruited to, I'd tell him to hang up the cleats. The point of college is to get set up for the rest of life. not to hang on to some sort of perceived athletic glory. It's over. Let him move on.

Parent of the year.

For the works series qualifier how do they determine who plays who?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just jumping on this on a slow day at work.
Older son played leading Edge 2019 team
8 poles, 1 goalie, 5 middies, 6 attackmen all went d1, with 3 Nescac players
Knowing the ‘2023 LE very well, 2 goalies, 5-6 poles, 4-5 middies, 3-4 attack probably same situation albeit not as dominant as 2010 to 2019 teams for sure.
So comments above are directionally correct but still the dominant team in the class and would beat BBL 8-5 this summer. I guess we will have to see at NAL.
Good luck to all. Go NJ!

BBL doesn't win a face-off

LE’s face off kid is one of the best in the country. He’s basically the reason the team doesn’t get blown out all the time. Make sure he stays healthy or it’s down the tubes.

In terms of the team: Goalies are ok. Not sure they stand out. Poles? 2 strong. Rest just ok. Mids? 2 strong (1LSM, 1close D) the rest below average. Attack? 1 strong but they will prob make him a mid. Rest are avg. I could be wrong. Just calling like I saw em from the fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just jumping on this on a slow day at work.
Older son played leading Edge 2019 team
8 poles, 1 goalie, 5 middies, 6 attackmen all went d1, with 3 Nescac players
Knowing the ‘2023 LE very well, 2 goalies, 5-6 poles, 4-5 middies, 3-4 attack probably same situation albeit not as dominant as 2010 to 2019 teams for sure.
So comments above are directionally correct but still the dominant team in the class and would beat BBL 8-5 this summer. I guess we will have to see at NAL.
Good luck to all. Go NJ!

BBL doesn't win a face-off

LE’s face off kid is one of the best in the country. He’s basically the reason the team doesn’t get blown out all the time. Make sure he stays healthy or it’s down the tubes.

In terms of the team: Goalies are ok. Not sure they stand out. Poles? 2 strong. Rest just ok. Mids? 2 strong (1LSM, 1close D) the rest below average. Attack? 1 strong but they will prob make him a mid. Rest are avg. I could be wrong. Just calling like I saw em from the fall.

Meant the two strong poles were the LSM and Close D.

The LE 2023 Attack-man is one of the best in the Nation and everyone knows it. He is not just strong. Your trying to minimize for your own benefit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LE 2023 Attack-man is one of the best in the Nation and everyone knows it. He is not just strong. Your trying to minimize for your own benefit.

Have you seen him? The kid is over 6' now and put on 15lbs this fall. His high school coach is hoping he can hide behind the Rutgers and West Point commits so teams don't see him coming.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LE 2023 Attack-man is one of the best in the Nation and everyone knows it. He is not just strong. Your trying to minimize for your own benefit.

Have you seen him? The kid is over 6' now and put on 15lbs this fall. His high school coach is hoping he can hide behind the Rutgers and West Point commits so teams don't see him coming.

Seems like the kids parent is replying to his own posts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2025 WSYL NJ Teams
4 out of the 5 NJ could end up qualifying this weekend. Mad Dog is the only question mark, they have the worst draw in the tournament. The 2 best teams (Madlax and Black Ops) and Jersey Express beat us on Sunday.

Looks like BBL, 3dNJ, Jersey Express move on. Mad Dog and TriState out.
Could be a BBL & Jersey Express final today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LE 2023 Attack-man is one of the best in the Nation and everyone knows it. He is not just strong. Your trying to minimize for your own benefit.

Have you seen him? The kid is over 6' now and put on 15lbs this fall. His high school coach is hoping he can hide behind the Rutgers and West Point commits so teams don't see him coming.

Seems like the kids parent is replying to his own posts

Definitely. The kid is good but he’s not even top 5 2023 attack in NJ.

How many east teams qualify for WSYL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many east teams qualify for WSYL?

The email they sent out said 6. Have seen some speculation that it could be more.

Only 6 teams deserve to move on. Anyone else waters down the playing field.

I see the “dumpster fire” of a team seemed to turn things around last weekend. Beat prime time and li express CoachC on Sunday . Impressive wins for such a dumpster fire !

Would love to hear 3 ahead of this kid. Good luck.

Trending down? 2022 list of commits .
UPenn
Yale x2
Bucknell
Loyola
Brown
Hopkins
Duke
Villanova
Colgate
Army

Just to name a couple ... your right though, these schools are not that great...

Good gracious , people are clueless .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LE 2023 Attack-man is one of the best in the Nation and everyone knows it. He is not just strong. Your trying to minimize for your own benefit.

Have you seen him? The kid is over 6' now and put on 15lbs this fall. His high school coach is hoping he can hide behind the Rutgers and West Point commits so teams don't see him coming.

Seems like the kids parent is replying to his own posts

Definitely. The kid is good but he’s not even top 5 2023 attack in NJ.

Who are the top 5? No need to provide a name so Club and High School are good enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LE 2023 Attack-man is one of the best in the Nation and everyone knows it. He is not just strong. Your trying to minimize for your own benefit.

Have you seen him? The kid is over 6' now and put on 15lbs this fall. His high school coach is hoping he can hide behind the Rutgers and West Point commits so teams don't see him coming.

Seems like the kids parent is replying to his own posts

Definitely. The kid is good but he’s not even top 5 2023 attack in NJ.

Who are the top 5? No need to provide a name so Club and High School are good enough.

Anybody else have any comments, getting tired of the LE parent...what he doesn't understand, whether his kid is the best 2023 attackman in NJ or not, is that his kid is simply a good lacrosse player, LE did not do anything special to develop his kid, he was good before he got to LE, and nobody cares about LE 2023 except for the LE 2023 parents, same with any other club parents. The mistake is coming on here all of the time and pushing the LE narrative, it opens up the door to all of the negative comments, whether justified or not. Just enjoy watching you kid play, the promoting on BOTC is not necessary...and if your high school coach thinks that he is going to hide your son behind other college commits and surprise other teams, you have certainly let that cat out of the bag, not to mention the fact that most of the top club players in NJ know exactly who is on what high school team.

Any shot our Towermencan make the World Series or should we just go to LE?

Hi Looking for advice my son joined a new team but the communication has been lacking. No note from the coach before a major tournament this past weekend or after. It was so odd. No hotels sent out for tournaments this summer yet.

My son has an opportunity to join another team. Would you jump ship?

Why would one determine the other? I don’t LE will take players mid season. I don’t think this is a Towermen family posting this question?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hi Looking for advice my son joined a new team but the communication has been lacking. No note from the coach before a major tournament this past weekend or after. It was so odd. No hotels sent out for tournaments this summer yet.

My son has an opportunity to join another team. Would you jump ship?

I would not jump ship solely because of the poor communication, many clubs are pretty lousy in this regard. That being said, I have experienced both good and very bad, fortunately, my son is currently with a club that is terrific with communication because they have somebody dedicated to that task, as opposed to the coach, makes things a lot easier. If you are not happy with the coaching, and the communication is awful, then a change would probably be best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hi Looking for advice my son joined a new team but the communication has been lacking. No note from the coach before a major tournament this past weekend or after. It was so odd. No hotels sent out for tournaments this summer yet.

My son has an opportunity to join another team. Would you jump ship?

I would not jump ship solely because of the poor communication, many clubs are pretty lousy in this regard. That being said, I have experienced both good and very bad, fortunately, my son is currently with a club that is terrific with communication because they have somebody dedicated to that task, as opposed to the coach, makes things a lot easier. If you are not happy with the coaching, and the communication is awful, then a change would probably be best.

Seconded. I have a good guess we which club you are part of currently and I can guarantee it won't improve. If its important to you, then you're gonna want to move on.

It’s was so odd nothing at all before a tournament or after and it was a big, important one. Which clubs are best at it?

At the youth level is it normal for a club to have offensive and defensive middies? This is for 2026? This is the coaches approach for my sons team and it’s seems too specialized when they are 12.

Which club do you think I am referring to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the youth level is it normal for a club to have offensive and defensive middies? This is for 2026? This is the coaches approach for my sons team and it’s seems too specialized when they are 12.

That is about when the more advanced clubs start to specialize. Maybe a year later is more common.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the youth level is it normal for a club to have offensive and defensive middies? This is for 2026? This is the coaches approach for my sons team and it’s seems too specialized when they are 12.

Seems a little young. Sometimes its an easy way for coaches to allocate playing time, but I think that it can also hold back development. In the past, my son was positioned as more of a defensive midfielder, but when a different coach with a different philosophy started coaching him, his offensive talent really developed, and now he is primarily an offensive player. There are definitely kids that excel defensively, so it's a delicate balance. A lot of it seems to be a kids perspective on the game, some kids prefer defense because they process the game better when it is coming at them.

This post in response to #325162. For some reason the few time I have posted here my response never goes under the actual link/post I am responding to. If anyone can tell me what I am doing wrong it would be great, I have tried clicking on everything and right clicking but it never shows the thread I am replying on.

Anyway, to the parent saying LE comes on here trying to promote its actually quite the contrary. If you look at the posts, the bashing primarily (meaning most of the time, not all) comes from BBL saying how good they are and that LE is flailing. The LE parents then defend and usually point out facts. Then people try to spin the facts with an example being the one where they said LE HS teams were trending down and the following response was stated:

Trending down? 2022 list of commits .
UPenn
Yale x2
Bucknell
Loyola
Brown
Hopkins
Duke
Villanova
Colgate
Army

Just to name a couple ... your right though, these schools are not that great...

Good gracious , people are clueless .

Likewise, in relation to the #325162, I believe the original poster was speaking highly of both BBL and LE when someone from BBL started the whole "LE is on the way down kick." That is when the LE parents started defending the 23's, who are ranked in the Top 10 (yes rankings are never 100% accurate) and how the LE 24's, who had a major overhaul to their team, are on the rise, only 8 spots down from BBL in the rankings with LE having the high changeover this year improving their roster, while BBL stayed the same with just a few add on's.

Also, the 23 attack kid is hands down fool. Again, a probable BBL parent says he is not top 5 in NJ, just shows that they have no clue about lacrosse. Correctly stated by an opposing parent, LE did not develop him, he was born that way. I am not related to this kid and although most of the comments were extremely complimentary, lets move on from his part of this story.

Lastly, to add fuel to the fire. LE 23's beats BBL 8 out of 10 games (possessions are just to hard to overcome). BBL 2024's beat LE 6 out of 10 games (I think BBL is deeper at middie). Just my predictions, no animonsity. They are all so close in ability, one or two games do not determine who is that much better. Both clubs moving forward, seem to have the top players in the state at the high school level, while BBL will always be better at the youth level because they put together the WSYL teams.

I agree. This is a new team. That combined with lack of communication makes me second guess our decision. Ugh. I don’t know if we should just move him before summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. This is a new team. That combined with lack of communication makes me second guess our decision. Ugh. I don’t know if we should just move him before summer.

What year is he?

World Series Qualifiers...NJ looks good....I only know BBL....how are the other NJ teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This post in response to #325162. For some reason the few time I have posted here my response never goes under the actual link/post I am responding to. If anyone can tell me what I am doing wrong it would be great, I have tried clicking on everything and right clicking but it never shows the thread I am replying on.

Anyway, to the parent saying LE comes on here trying to promote its actually quite the contrary. If you look at the posts, the bashing primarily (meaning most of the time, not all) comes from BBL saying how good they are and that LE is flailing. The LE parents then defend and usually point out facts. Then people try to spin the facts with an example being the one where they said LE HS teams were trending down and the following response was stated:

Trending down? 2022 list of commits .
UPenn
Yale x2
Bucknell
Loyola
Brown
Hopkins
Duke
Villanova
Colgate
Army

Just to name a couple ... your right though, these schools are not that great...

Good gracious , people are clueless .

Likewise, in relation to the #325162, I believe the original poster was speaking highly of both BBL and LE when someone from BBL started the whole "LE is on the way down kick." That is when the LE parents started defending the 23's, who are ranked in the Top 10 (yes rankings are never 100% accurate) and how the LE 24's, who had a major overhaul to their team, are on the rise, only 8 spots down from BBL in the rankings with LE having the high changeover this year improving their roster, while BBL stayed the same with just a few add on's.

Also, the 23 attack kid is hands down fool. Again, a probable BBL parent says he is not top 5 in NJ, just shows that they have no clue about lacrosse. Correctly stated by an opposing parent, LE did not develop him, he was born that way. I am not related to this kid and although most of the comments were extremely complimentary, lets move on from his part of this story.

Lastly, to add fuel to the fire. LE 23's beats BBL 8 out of 10 games (possessions are just to hard to overcome). BBL 2024's beat LE 6 out of 10 games (I think BBL is deeper at middie). Just my predictions, no animonsity. They are all so close in ability, one or two games do not determine who is that much better. Both clubs moving forward, seem to have the top players in the state at the high school level, while BBL will always be better at the youth level because they put together the WSYL teams.

With respect to recruiting, I do not think that anybody has suggested that LE 2022 is not a talented team, it relates more to the 23's, 24's etc., but obviously this remains an unknown until September. As for BBL vs. LE predictions, that's just a waste of time. Finally, yes LE and BBL have a large number of very talented players, but to suggest that they have all the top high school players in the state is simply wrong, there are equally good, if not better kids on other clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LE 2023 Attack-man is one of the best in the Nation and everyone knows it. He is not just strong. Your trying to minimize for your own benefit.

Have you seen him? The kid is over 6' now and put on 15lbs this fall. His high school coach is hoping he can hide behind the Rutgers and West Point commits so teams don't see him coming.

Seems like the kids parent is replying to his own posts

Definitely. The kid is good but he’s not even top 5 2023 attack in NJ.

Who are the top 5? No need to provide a name so Club and High School are good enough.

Anybody else have any comments, getting tired of the LE parent...what he doesn't understand, whether his kid is the best 2023 attackman in NJ or not, is that his kid is simply a good lacrosse player, LE did not do anything special to develop his kid, he was good before he got to LE, and nobody cares about LE 2023 except for the LE 2023 parents, same with any other club parents. The mistake is coming on here all of the time and pushing the LE narrative, it opens up the door to all of the negative comments, whether justified or not. Just enjoy watching you kid play, the promoting on BOTC is not necessary...and if your high school coach thinks that he is going to hide your son behind other college commits and surprise other teams, you have certainly let that cat out of the bag, not to mention the fact that most of the top club players in NJ know exactly who is on what high school team.

I think you are discounting the elite development that is going on there at the High School Level.

It is no secret that LE does a very good job of developing their elite players in High School. Take a look at D1 rosters and contributors around the country that came from that program. They are doing something right over there.

Not to say other programs don’t have very good players in college as well. The majority of them have come from LE, hands down.

If I am not mistaken, LE has a 2022 that was on BBLs weaker team a couple years back, and is now committed to Yale. Hard to argue they didn’t help develop that kid. If he “was that good” before he left BBL, he wouldn’t have been playing on their B team.

I think you are discounting the elite development that is going on there at the High School Level.

It is no secret that LE does a very good job of developing their elite players in High School. Take a look at D1 rosters and contributors around the country that came from that program. They are doing something right over there.

Not to say other programs don’t have very good players in college as well. The majority of them have come from LE, hands down.

If I am not mistaken, LE has a 2022 that was on BBLs weaker team a couple years back, and is now committed to Yale. Hard to argue they didn’t help develop that kid. If he “was that good” before he left BBL, he wouldn’t have been playing on their B team.[/quote]

It’s no secret that they do not develop players at LE. They only showcase kids (and use the bottom half of the team for $). My guess is BBL just messed up and the kid earned his spot going somewhere else. There are many examples of kids who left or got cut from LE who went to great college programs via other clubs too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are discounting the elite development that is going on there at the High School Level.

It is no secret that LE does a very good job of developing their elite players in High School. Take a look at D1 rosters and contributors around the country that came from that program. They are doing something right over there.

Not to say other programs don’t have very good players in college as well. The majority of them have come from LE, hands down.

If I am not mistaken, LE has a 2022 that was on BBLs weaker team a couple years back, and is now committed to Yale. Hard to argue they didn’t help develop that kid. If he “was that good” before he left BBL, he wouldn’t have been playing on their B team.

It’s no secret that they do not develop players at LE. They only showcase kids (and use the bottom half of the team for $). My guess is BBL just messed up and the kid earned his spot going somewhere else. There are many examples of kids who left or got cut from LE who went to great college programs via other clubs too.[/quote]

I respectfully disagree. Year in and year out they pump out extremely high quality players. To say that they are not “developing” those kids is not accurate. When a kid goes there as a freshman, he is no where near the top of his game.

Again, they are doing something right, just take a look at their commit list from the past 10 years, as someone else on here has mentioned.

We can agree to disagree.

2026. The coaches seems great but I am worried he is checked out if no communication to the team at all. After a covid year I want my son to have a good summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2026. The coaches seems great but I am worried he is checked out if no communication to the team at all. After a covid year I want my son to have a good summer.

If you like the coaches, I would stick it out and see what happens this season. If things do not work out, next year would be more typical for making a change before high school. If you son is happy after games and practices, and not complaining about the coach, it is probably a good sign. As I stated earlier, with one exception, my son has never had a coach that was great with communication outside of games and practices, and he has played on some high level teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are discounting the elite development that is going on there at the High School Level.

It is no secret that LE does a very good job of developing their elite players in High School. Take a look at D1 rosters and contributors around the country that came from that program. They are doing something right over there.

Not to say other programs don’t have very good players in college as well. The majority of them have come from LE, hands down.

If I am not mistaken, LE has a 2022 that was on BBLs weaker team a couple years back, and is now committed to Yale. Hard to argue they didn’t help develop that kid. If he “was that good” before he left BBL, he wouldn’t have been playing on their B team.

It’s no secret that they do not develop players at LE. They only showcase kids (and use the bottom half of the team for $). My guess is BBL just messed up and the kid earned his spot going somewhere else. There are many examples of kids who left or got cut from LE who went to great college programs via other clubs too.

I respectfully disagree. Year in and year out they pump out extremely high quality players. To say that they are not “developing” those kids is not accurate. When a kid goes there as a freshman, he is no where near the top of his game.

Again, they are doing something right, just take a look at their commit list from the past 10 years, as someone else on here has mentioned.

We can agree to disagree.[/quote]
There is one guy on here that hates LE and loves BBL. Can we just move on?
They are both good programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are discounting the elite development that is going on there at the High School Level.

It is no secret that LE does a very good job of developing their elite players in High School. Take a look at D1 rosters and contributors around the country that came from that program. They are doing something right over there.

Not to say other programs don’t have very good players in college as well. The majority of them have come from LE, hands down.

If I am not mistaken, LE has a 2022 that was on BBLs weaker team a couple years back, and is now committed to Yale. Hard to argue they didn’t help develop that kid. If he “was that good” before he left BBL, he wouldn’t have been playing on their B team.

It’s no secret that they do not develop players at LE. They only showcase kids (and use the bottom half of the team for $). My guess is BBL just messed up and the kid earned his spot going somewhere else. There are many examples of kids who left or got cut from LE who went to great college programs via other clubs too.

I respectfully disagree. Year in and year out they pump out extremely high quality players. To say that they are not “developing” those kids is not accurate. When a kid goes there as a freshman, he is no where near the top of his game.

Again, they are doing something right, just take a look at their commit list from the past 10 years, as someone else on here has mentioned.

We can agree to disagree.

There is one guy on here that hates LE and loves BBL. Can we just move on?
They are both good programs.[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are discounting the elite development that is going on there at the High School Level.

It is no secret that LE does a very good job of developing their elite players in High School. Take a look at D1 rosters and contributors around the country that came from that program. They are doing something right over there.

Not to say other programs don’t have very good players in college as well. The majority of them have come from LE, hands down.

If I am not mistaken, LE has a 2022 that was on BBLs weaker team a couple years back, and is now committed to Yale. Hard to argue they didn’t help develop that kid. If he “was that good” before he left BBL, he wouldn’t have been playing on their B team.

It’s no secret that they do not develop players at LE. They only showcase kids (and use the bottom half of the team for $). My guess is BBL just messed up and the kid earned his spot going somewhere else. There are many examples of kids who left or got cut from LE who went to great college programs via other clubs too.

I respectfully disagree. Year in and year out they pump out extremely high quality players. To say that they are not “developing” those kids is not accurate. When a kid goes there as a freshman, he is no where near the top of his game.

Again, they are doing something right, just take a look at their commit list from the past 10 years, as someone else on here has mentioned.

We can agree to disagree.[/quote]

What they do well is pull in a lot of very talented players, but as others have noted, the chemistry just seems off when compared to some of their competition. I do know that they are constantly tinkering with the rosters to fill in perceived needs, perhaps that has a negative impact. Either way, very good lacrosse players.

Moving on to a more productive discussion... Can someone help explain the recruiting process? How much is on the kid to contact schools of interest? How influential are club and high school coaches with guiding kids to schools? Are club coaches calling the shots or do the just guide and facilitate things? How does a kid know what the right level is, D1 vs. D3?

I'm not interested in debating which club it's better, just some general guidance on how it usually plays out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving on to a more productive discussion... Can someone help explain the recruiting process? How much is on the kid to contact schools of interest? How influential are club and high school coaches with guiding kids to schools? Are club coaches calling the shots or do the just guide and facilitate things? How does a kid know what the right level is, D1 vs. D3?

I'm not interested in debating which club it's better, just some general guidance on how it usually plays out.

I think that the club coaches can offer a lot of guidance. If they have been part of the recruiting process for a while, they usually have a good feel for where your kid can play, no harm in asking. Obviously, as we can see from some of the posts here, it is in the club's best interest to get kids recruited, that is their business. I also think that, as a parent, you need to be realistic about where your kid can play. It's not too hard to attend a high level tournament and pick out the kids that are clearly top D1 material. By the end of sophomore year in high school, you should probably have a good feel for where you kid can play, now you just need to consider where you kid falls academically.

Ok I need to chill out. The coach is top notch. My son is happy. My so. The coach talks to the players a lot so I am not going to worry unless he is unhappy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok I need to chill out. The coach is top notch. My son is happy. My so. The coach talks to the players a lot so I am not going to worry unless he is unhappy.

Glad that you got that resolved. Trust me, you will know if, and when, a change is necessary. We went through it with my son after giving his former club a lot of chances to get things right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see the “dumpster fire” of a team seemed to turn things around last weekend. Beat prime time and li express CoachC on Sunday . Impressive wins for such a dumpster fire !

Ha ha. No they didn’t. Plus those were essentially B teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see the “dumpster fire” of a team seemed to turn things around last weekend. Beat prime time and li express CoachC on Sunday . Impressive wins for such a dumpster fire !

Ha ha. No they didn’t. Plus those were essentially B teams.

The self-promotion is weak but Mr Anonymous, I detest everyone but BBL is back. He had to dig to find this post from two weeks ago.
We get it BBL is amazing in middle school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are discounting the elite development that is going on there at the High School Level.

It is no secret that LE does a very good job of developing their elite players in High School. Take a look at D1 rosters and contributors around the country that came from that program. They are doing something right over there.

Not to say other programs don’t have very good players in college as well. The majority of them have come from LE, hands down.

If I am not mistaken, LE has a 2022 that was on BBLs weaker team a couple years back, and is now committed to Yale. Hard to argue they didn’t help develop that kid. If he “was that good” before he left BBL, he wouldn’t have been playing on their B team.

It’s no secret that they do not develop players at LE. They only showcase kids (and use the bottom half of the team for $). My guess is BBL just messed up and the kid earned his spot going somewhere else. There are many examples of kids who left or got cut from LE who went to great college programs via other clubs too.

I respectfully disagree. Year in and year out they pump out extremely high quality players. To say that they are not “developing” those kids is not accurate. When a kid goes there as a freshman, he is no where near the top of his game.

Again, they are doing something right, just take a look at their commit list from the past 10 years, as someone else on here has mentioned.

We can agree to disagree.[/quote]

I think where we disagree is that you are crediting the club with development. I would give the credit to the kid mainly, who works hard and earns it. The clubs deserve some minimal credit, but not most. I’d give more credit to their parents and HS coach over the club. Those kids that are “pumped out” by the club... do you think they wouldn’t have ended up in the same place had they played for another reputable club?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are discounting the elite development that is going on there at the High School Level.

It is no secret that LE does a very good job of developing their elite players in High School. Take a look at D1 rosters and contributors around the country that came from that program. They are doing something right over there.

Not to say other programs don’t have very good players in college as well. The majority of them have come from LE, hands down.

If I am not mistaken, LE has a 2022 that was on BBLs weaker team a couple years back, and is now committed to Yale. Hard to argue they didn’t help develop that kid. If he “was that good” before he left BBL, he wouldn’t have been playing on their B team.

It’s no secret that they do not develop players at LE. They only showcase kids (and use the bottom half of the team for $). My guess is BBL just messed up and the kid earned his spot going somewhere else. There are many examples of kids who left or got cut from LE who went to great college programs via other clubs too.

I respectfully disagree. Year in and year out they pump out extremely high quality players. To say that they are not “developing” those kids is not accurate. When a kid goes there as a freshman, he is no where near the top of his game.

Again, they are doing something right, just take a look at their commit list from the past 10 years, as someone else on here has mentioned.

We can agree to disagree.

I think where we disagree is that you are crediting the club with development. I would give the credit to the kid mainly, who works hard and earns it. The clubs deserve some minimal credit, but not most. I’d give more credit to their parents and HS coach over the club. Those kids that are “pumped out” by the club... do you think they wouldn’t have ended up in the same place had they played for another reputable club?[/quote]

This is exactly right...while you can do this comparison with any position, look at the top graduating goalies in the state...Blue Star, Tri-State and LE...while they may have gotten some goalie training from their clubs, they are just really good goalies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are discounting the elite development that is going on there at the High School Level.

It is no secret that LE does a very good job of developing their elite players in High School. Take a look at D1 rosters and contributors around the country that came from that program. They are doing something right over there.

Not to say other programs don’t have very good players in college as well. The majority of them have come from LE, hands down.

If I am not mistaken, LE has a 2022 that was on BBLs weaker team a couple years back, and is now committed to Yale. Hard to argue they didn’t help develop that kid. If he “was that good” before he left BBL, he wouldn’t have been playing on their B team.

It’s no secret that they do not develop players at LE. They only showcase kids (and use the bottom half of the team for $). My guess is BBL just messed up and the kid earned his spot going somewhere else. There are many examples of kids who left or got cut from LE who went to great college programs via other clubs too.

I respectfully disagree. Year in and year out they pump out extremely high quality players. To say that they are not “developing” those kids is not accurate. When a kid goes there as a freshman, he is no where near the top of his game.

Again, they are doing something right, just take a look at their commit list from the past 10 years, as someone else on here has mentioned.

We can agree to disagree.

I think where we disagree is that you are crediting the club with development. I would give the credit to the kid mainly, who works hard and earns it. The clubs deserve some minimal credit, but not most. I’d give more credit to their parents and HS coach over the club. Those kids that are “pumped out” by the club... do you think they wouldn’t have ended up in the same place had they played for another reputable club?

This is exactly right...while you can do this comparison with any position, look at the top graduating goalies in the state...Blue Star, Tri-State and LE...while they may have gotten some goalie training from their clubs, they are just really good goalies.[/quote]
Mr BBL is back..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are discounting the elite development that is going on there at the High School Level.

It is no secret that LE does a very good job of developing their elite players in High School. Take a look at D1 rosters and contributors around the country that came from that program. They are doing something right over there.

Not to say other programs don’t have very good players in college as well. The majority of them have come from LE, hands down.

If I am not mistaken, LE has a 2022 that was on BBLs weaker team a couple years back, and is now committed to Yale. Hard to argue they didn’t help develop that kid. If he “was that good” before he left BBL, he wouldn’t have been playing on their B team.

It’s no secret that they do not develop players at LE. They only showcase kids (and use the bottom half of the team for $). My guess is BBL just messed up and the kid earned his spot going somewhere else. There are many examples of kids who left or got cut from LE who went to great college programs via other clubs too.

I respectfully disagree. Year in and year out they pump out extremely high quality players. To say that they are not “developing” those kids is not accurate. When a kid goes there as a freshman, he is no where near the top of his game.

Again, they are doing something right, just take a look at their commit list from the past 10 years, as someone else on here has mentioned.

We can agree to disagree.

I think where we disagree is that you are crediting the club with development. I would give the credit to the kid mainly, who works hard and earns it. The clubs deserve some minimal credit, but not most. I’d give more credit to their parents and HS coach over the club. Those kids that are “pumped out” by the club... do you think they wouldn’t have ended up in the same place had they played for another reputable club?

This is exactly right...while you can do this comparison with any position, look at the top graduating goalies in the state...Blue Star, Tri-State and LE...while they may have gotten some goalie training from their clubs, they are just really good goalies.

Mr BBL is back..[/quote]

I assure you that the poster is not a BBL parent, and not sure why that would make a difference anyway.. you just do not like anything that challenges your LE narrative.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are discounting the elite development that is going on there at the High School Level.

It is no secret that LE does a very good job of developing their elite players in High School. Take a look at D1 rosters and contributors around the country that came from that program. They are doing something right over there.

Not to say other programs don’t have very good players in college as well. The majority of them have come from LE, hands down.

If I am not mistaken, LE has a 2022 that was on BBLs weaker team a couple years back, and is now committed to Yale. Hard to argue they didn’t help develop that kid. If he “was that good” before he left BBL, he wouldn’t have been playing on their B team.

It’s no secret that they do not develop players at LE. They only showcase kids (and use the bottom half of the team for $). My guess is BBL just messed up and the kid earned his spot going somewhere else. There are many examples of kids who left or got cut from LE who went to great college programs via other clubs too.

I respectfully disagree. Year in and year out they pump out extremely high quality players. To say that they are not “developing” those kids is not accurate. When a kid goes there as a freshman, he is no where near the top of his game.

Again, they are doing something right, just take a look at their commit list from the past 10 years, as someone else on here has mentioned.

We can agree to disagree.

I think where we disagree is that you are crediting the club with development. I would give the credit to the kid mainly, who works hard and earns it. The clubs deserve some minimal credit, but not most. I’d give more credit to their parents and HS coach over the club. Those kids that are “pumped out” by the club... do you think they wouldn’t have ended up in the same place had they played for another reputable club?

This is exactly right...while you can do this comparison with any position, look at the top graduating goalies in the state...Blue Star, Tri-State and LE...while they may have gotten some goalie training from their clubs, they are just really good goalies.

Mr BBL is back..[/quote]

Apparently, so is Mr. Leading Edge. Time to move on.

2023 NLF Rankings out. 60-11 so far. 2 LE, one brand new to team and the fogo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 NLF Rankings out. 60-11 so far. 2 LE, one brand new to team and the fogo.

Waiting for the LE dad to post "How does the 9th ranked NLF team only have two kids on the top 60? Must be the coaching"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 NLF Rankings out. 60-11 so far. 2 LE, one brand new to team and the fogo.

That's it? I would have expected a few more. FOGO is great. How does a new player get ranked if they haven't played yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 NLF Rankings out. 60-11 so far. 2 LE, one brand new to team and the fogo.

That's it? I would have expected a few more. FOGO is great. How does a new player get ranked if they haven't played yet?

It a really limited field they are looking at. It's basically NLF teams, and then of those, the kids who pay the extra $$$ to do the NLF/MyLacrosseTournaments camps and showcases. So the rankings should be taken with a grain of salt. Although I would say the top 10 kids are definitely ballers.

Early predictions for NJ 2023 top club teams by end of summer:

1. Riot
2. Tri-State
3. Leading Edge
4. Bluestar
5. Southshore

Mark my words on Riot. Although I think there may be a PED issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 NLF Rankings out. 60-11 so far. 2 LE, one brand new to team and the fogo.

That's it? I would have expected a few more. FOGO is great. How does a new player get ranked if they haven't played yet?

There really aren’t many strong players at Leading Edge at the 2023 level, which explains their absence. Club is gonna be in real trouble going forward.

I think they will have one player in the Top 10 but these ranking are all BS. It is the coaches giving the "NLF" like 5 kids from each team to be considered.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 NLF Rankings out. 60-11 so far. 2 LE, one brand new to team and the fogo.

I'm sure that they are both very good players, but if it only includes players on NLF teams, that needs to be taken into consideration. Also, NLF rankings are somewhat self-serving as the NLF is under the direction of its founding members.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 NLF Rankings out. 60-11 so far. 2 LE, one brand new to team and the fogo.

That's it? I would have expected a few more. FOGO is great. How does a new player get ranked if they haven't played yet?

There really aren’t many strong players at Leading Edge at the 2023 level, which explains their absence. Club is gonna be in real trouble going forward.

What age group did your son get cut from leading edge ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 NLF Rankings out. 60-11 so far. 2 LE, one brand new to team and the fogo.

That's it? I would have expected a few more. FOGO is great. How does a new player get ranked if they haven't played yet?

There really aren’t many strong players at Leading Edge at the 2023 level, which explains their absence. Club is gonna be in real trouble going forward.

What age group did your son get cut from leading edge ?

Ok boomer. I don't have children yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 NLF Rankings out. 60-11 so far. 2 LE, one brand new to team and the fogo.

Waiting for the LE dad to post "How does the 9th ranked NLF team only have two kids on the top 60? Must be the coaching"

Wouldn't the LE dad be the original poster

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Early predictions for NJ 2023 top club teams by end of summer:

1. Riot
2. Tri-State
3. Leading Edge
4. Bluestar
5. Southshore

Mark my words on Riot. Although I think there may be a PED issue.

Probably not too far off. Riot is pretty solid, but you may be underestimating Tri State, not a Tri State parent, however, they have upgraded with the SHP players, pushed out a lot of legacy kids. Bluestar tends to get overlooked, but there is a lot of talent on the team. Not so sure about Southshore, they seem comparable to Patriot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think they will have one player in the Top 10 but these ranking are all BS. It is the coaches giving the "NLF" like 5 kids from each team to be considered.

There is a 0% chance they have a top 10 player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Early predictions for NJ 2023 top club teams by end of summer:

1. Riot
2. Tri-State
3. Leading Edge
4. Bluestar
5. Southshore

Mark my words on Riot. Although I think there may be a PED issue.

Probably not too far off. Riot is pretty solid, but you may be underestimating Tri State, not a Tri State parent, however, they have upgraded with the SHP players, pushed out a lot of legacy kids. Bluestar tends to get overlooked, but there is a lot of talent on the team. Not so sure about Southshore, they seem comparable to Patriot

What SHP players did they pick up? Not sure any BBL or LE kids left on their own accord.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Early predictions for NJ 2023 top club teams by end of summer:

1. Riot
2. Tri-State
3. Leading Edge
4. Bluestar
5. Southshore

Mark my words on Riot. Although I think there may be a PED issue.

Probably not too far off. Riot is pretty solid, but you may be underestimating Tri State, not a Tri State parent, however, they have upgraded with the SHP players, pushed out a lot of legacy kids. Bluestar tends to get overlooked, but there is a lot of talent on the team. Not so sure about Southshore, they seem comparable to Patriot

What SHP players did they pick up? Not sure any BBL or LE kids left on their own accord.

It has been gradual over the last two years, but kids have moved. My guess is that you will see more moves during tryouts this summer for kids that will be incoming freshman at SHP

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Early predictions for NJ 2023 top club teams by end of summer:

1. Riot
2. Tri-State
3. Leading Edge
4. Bluestar
5. Southshore

Mark my words on Riot. Although I think there may be a PED issue.

Probably not too far off. Riot is pretty solid, but you may be underestimating Tri State, not a Tri State parent, however, they have upgraded with the SHP players, pushed out a lot of legacy kids. Bluestar tends to get overlooked, but there is a lot of talent on the team. Not so sure about Southshore, they seem comparable to Patriot

What SHP players did they pick up? Not sure any BBL or LE kids left on their own accord.

It has been gradual over the last two years, but kids have moved. My guess is that you will see more moves during tryouts this summer for kids that will be incoming freshman at SHP

This might be a dense question but I thought there was a rule high school coaches can't coach their players in the offseason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Early predictions for NJ 2023 top club teams by end of summer:

1. Riot
2. Tri-State
3. Leading Edge
4. Bluestar
5. Southshore

Mark my words on Riot. Although I think there may be a PED issue.

Probably not too far off. Riot is pretty solid, but you may be underestimating Tri State, not a Tri State parent, however, they have upgraded with the SHP players, pushed out a lot of legacy kids. Bluestar tends to get overlooked, but there is a lot of talent on the team. Not so sure about Southshore, they seem comparable to Patriot

What SHP players did they pick up? Not sure any BBL or LE kids left on their own accord.

It has been gradual over the last two years, but kids have moved. My guess is that you will see more moves during tryouts this summer for kids that will be incoming freshman at SHP

This might be a dense question but I thought there was a rule high school coaches can't coach their players in the offseason.

Summer Recess is excluded (this is why high school coaches do not coach fall ball), just during the school year, from NJISSA:

The out‐of‐season period shall be from the end of the season as defined in Program Regulations, Section
10 until the next official starting practice date for that sport, excluding the Summer Recess, that period from
the last scheduled date for NJSIAA championships in the Spring Sport Season until September 1st.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Early predictions for NJ 2023 top club teams by end of summer:

1. Riot
2. Tri-State
3. Leading Edge
4. Bluestar
5. Southshore

Mark my words on Riot. Although I think there may be a PED issue.

Probably not too far off. Riot is pretty solid, but you may be underestimating Tri State, not a Tri State parent, however, they have upgraded with the SHP players, pushed out a lot of legacy kids. Bluestar tends to get overlooked, but there is a lot of talent on the team. Not so sure about Southshore, they seem comparable to Patriot

What SHP players did they pick up? Not sure any BBL or LE kids left on their own accord.

It has been gradual over the last two years, but kids have moved. My guess is that you will see more moves during tryouts this summer for kids that will be incoming freshman at SHP

This might be a dense question but I thought there was a rule high school coaches can't coach their players in the offseason.

Summer doesn’t count.

Not all players go to the club of their HS coach. If they did , Steps would actually be good...

Hi all, I was just looking at the Men's College Lacrosse Rankings and they have Monmouth University at 13 and in the media pool they have them receiving votes for the top 20 with them just missing the cut. It made me think back to one of the earlier threads where people were talking about the value of the kids and the schools they get into where someone compared a kid going to Monmouth, is not as prestigious as some of the top schools.

In looking at the rankings and polls, there is widespread parity across college lacrosse. There are always teams on the bottom that may never be really good like a VMI or Cleveland State because they will have a difficult time attracting talent. College lacrosse rankings have become cyclical and basically things can change for any college team with just a few high level recruits. I am not saying Monmouth is going to beat Virginia, but the fact some of the teams always ranked in the top 10, Hopkins, Penn State, are ranked really low right now because teams are leveling out.

I know these rankings change all the time. I don't think we should minimize the fact a kid playing at Monmouth, Sienna or Lafayette should be considered less of a talent because they didn't go to Yale, Maryland or Duke. There is minimal scholarship money anyway, 12.6 scholarships for a 60 man roster so I would rather my kid go to a school like UMass, Monmouth, Hartford, or a Bucknell (just to give a wide variety of academic standards) and hopefully get a little run by sophomore or junior year, than be a non player at one of the top 5-10 schools. Even the best kids are not getting playing time at those schools. All the money is in academics anyway and most of these kids are bright.

Cant wait for the HS games to start next week.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hi all, I was just looking at the Men's College Lacrosse Rankings and they have Monmouth University at 13 and in the media pool they have them receiving votes for the top 20 with them just missing the cut. It made me think back to one of the earlier threads where people were talking about the value of the kids and the schools they get into where someone compared a kid going to Monmouth, is not as prestigious as some of the top schools.

In looking at the rankings and polls, there is widespread parity across college lacrosse. There are always teams on the bottom that may never be really good like a VMI or Cleveland State because they will have a difficult time attracting talent. College lacrosse rankings have become cyclical and basically things can change for any college team with just a few high level recruits. I am not saying Monmouth is going to beat Virginia, but the fact some of the teams always ranked in the top 10, Hopkins, Penn State, are ranked really low right now because teams are leveling out.

I know these rankings change all the time. I don't think we should minimize the fact a kid playing at Monmouth, Sienna or Lafayette should be considered less of a talent because they didn't go to Yale, Maryland or Duke. There is minimal scholarship money anyway, 12.6 scholarships for a 60 man roster so I would rather my kid go to a school like UMass, Monmouth, Hartford, or a Bucknell (just to give a wide variety of academic standards) and hopefully get a little run by sophomore or junior year, than be a non player at one of the top 5-10 schools. Even the best kids are not getting playing time at those schools. All the money is in academics anyway and most of these kids are bright.

Cant wait for the HS games to start next week.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls

Is this for real or a joke? Honestly, can’t tell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hi all, I was just looking at the Men's College Lacrosse Rankings and they have Monmouth University at 13 and in the media pool they have them receiving votes for the top 20 with them just missing the cut. It made me think back to one of the earlier threads where people were talking about the value of the kids and the schools they get into where someone compared a kid going to Monmouth, is not as prestigious as some of the top schools.

In looking at the rankings and polls, there is widespread parity across college lacrosse. There are always teams on the bottom that may never be really good like a VMI or Cleveland State because they will have a difficult time attracting talent. College lacrosse rankings have become cyclical and basically things can change for any college team with just a few high level recruits. I am not saying Monmouth is going to beat Virginia, but the fact some of the teams always ranked in the top 10, Hopkins, Penn State, are ranked really low right now because teams are leveling out.

I know these rankings change all the time. I don't think we should minimize the fact a kid playing at Monmouth, Sienna or Lafayette should be considered less of a talent because they didn't go to Yale, Maryland or Duke. There is minimal scholarship money anyway, 12.6 scholarships for a 60 man roster so I would rather my kid go to a school like UMass, Monmouth, Hartford, or a Bucknell (just to give a wide variety of academic standards) and hopefully get a little run by sophomore or junior year, than be a non player at one of the top 5-10 schools. Even the best kids are not getting playing time at those schools. All the money is in academics anyway and most of these kids are bright.

Cant wait for the HS games to start next week.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls

Is this for real or a joke? Honestly, can’t tell.

I don't care how much playing time my kid does or doesn't get in college, he is going to the best school for academics regardless of their ranking...

I actually agree with the writers points on this post. It seem like he is talking about college rankings more than academics. I went back to find the post he was talking about and of course it started with a BBL/LE comparison of colleges and their recruits. I personally do not want my son going to a college where he is not going to play. That's just my opinion. And as far as colleges, a business degree from college #1 is still pretty much going to get you a job at a good company if you have connections and interview well. My neighbors son graduated from Rowan, yes Rowan, 7 years ago and is making $300,000.00 at MetLife.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I actually agree with the writers points on this post. It seem like he is talking about college rankings more than academics. I went back to find the post he was talking about and of course it started with a BBL/LE comparison of colleges and their recruits. I personally do not want my son going to a college where he is not going to play. That's just my opinion. And as far as colleges, a business degree from college #1 is still pretty much going to get you a job at a good company if you have connections and interview well. My neighbors son graduated from Rowan, yes Rowan, 7 years ago and is making $300,000.00 at MetLife.

I think the issue is more about the poster suggesting that a kid going to Monmouth, Sienna or Lafayette should not be looked at as less talented that the Yale, Maryland or Duke kid, feelings aside, it is simply not accurate, the Yale, Maryland or Duke kid is definitely more talented, those kids always stick out in the high school and club games. On the flip side, if you are considering academics, then the argument may hold some water, a kid graduating from Lafayette or any of the other schools listed can be equally as, if not more, successful than the Yale, Maryland or Duke kid.

Looks like I am the first to post in a while....I think its funny how a month ago some dad was talking about Monmouth and some were bashing the school. Now look what they did, they went and made the NCAA tourney....they are going to lose first round but at least they are in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like I am the first to post in a while....I think its funny how a month ago some dad was talking about Monmouth and some were bashing the school. Now look what they did, they went and made the NCAA tourney....they are going to lose first round but at least they are in.

It was not about bashing Monmouth, it's about putting things into perspective. Monmouth is a very good team in the MAAC, and their players are very good in the MAAC, but it is unlikely that their success will transform the program, Obviously, there are some kids that could arguably play at a higher level school, but the team's success this year does not validate the suggestion that the program is now more elite because they are an AQ for the tournament. They will have good years and bad years in the MAAC, as always. I am very happy for the players that they will get the experience to play a top team in an amazing venue, I hope that they enjoy every minute, they will always remember such a special accomplishment. Also, keep in mind that the prior post was somehow trying to draw a correlation between academics and player talent, and, as discussed in the replies, it is a false narrative.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like I am the first to post in a while....I think its funny how a month ago some dad was talking about Monmouth and some were bashing the school. Now look what they did, they went and made the NCAA tourney....they are going to lose first round but at least they are in.

Winning the MAAC doesn’t make paying $40-50k/year for a mediocre degree worthwhile.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Early predictions for NJ 2023 top club teams by end of summer:

1. Riot
2. Tri-State
3. Leading Edge
4. Bluestar
5. Southshore

Mark my words on Riot. Although I think there may be a PED issue.

Probably not too far off. Riot is pretty solid, but you may be underestimating Tri State, not a Tri State parent, however, they have upgraded with the SHP players, pushed out a lot of legacy kids. Bluestar tends to get overlooked, but there is a lot of talent on the team. Not so sure about Southshore, they seem comparable to Patriot

Drop Southshore and add BBL in the #5 spot.

BBL beat LE 2025 team by 1 yesterday. Is BBL not as good or LE getting better?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL beat LE 2025 team by 1 yesterday. Is BBL not as good or LE getting better?

Probably both. BBL starts to wane in HS, Leading Edge gets better when kids from other clubs join up. But in the big picture, no one really cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL beat LE 2025 team by 1 yesterday. Is BBL not as good or LE getting better?

LE typically gets better the summer before high school, that is when many kids make a move

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL beat LE 2025 team by 1 yesterday. Is BBL not as good or LE getting better?

Probably both. BBL starts to wane in HS, Leading Edge gets better when kids from other clubs join up. But in the big picture, no one really cares.

BBL parents should care, their sideline was embracing. Coaches have zero control over their top players and parents. Hopefully, they tighten it up before the WSYL.. NJ needs them to play well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]BBL beat LE 2025 team by 1 yesterday. Is BBL not as good or LE getting better?

Probably both. BBL starts to wane in HS, Leading Edge gets better when kids from other clubs join up. But in the big picture, no one really cares.

BBL parents should care, their sideline was embracing. Coaches have zero control over their top players and parents. Hopefully, they tighten it up before the WSYL.. NJ needs them to play well.[/quote

That's where you are wrong, nobody in NJ cares other than BBL and the BBL parents. The lack of control over top players and parents is not exclusive to BBL, but what you will see are those same top kids trying out for LE in another year.

Is it standard for a coach to make a middie line rotation and then kids sub out themselves? My sons club does that or did that last tourney. Some of the other kids go out of rotation or just stay in the box. Any advice? I just told my son to speak up to his teammates.

My son was very frustrated in the last tourney and I want to give him good guidance. He is 12. Life lessons…

Tell him to talk to his coach after the next practice

About what? How rotation is done? I don’t think he should call out his team mates. I don’t even know if that is true (kids subbing themselves or my son’s perception !maybe the team was just short handed a coach.

Our past experience is the coach subbing, managing lines.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it standard for a coach to make a middie line rotation and then kids sub out themselves? My sons club does that or did that last tourney. Some of the other kids go out of rotation or just stay in the box. Any advice? I just told my son to speak up to his teammates.

My son was very frustrated in the last tourney and I want to give him good guidance. He is 12. Life lessons…

what team ?

Only time in my lax and sports experience a player is subbing himself out is either due to fatigue or injury. As for subbing "in" that's all on the coach. Now I know of a team at about the 12yr old level (2027s) that had issues this past weekend with coaching. This was due to the head coaches HS team obligations as his team was finishing up their post season play. I told the parent whos son is on the team to remember things started later this season due to the pandemic and going forward it shouldn't be an issue. But it would still be a good practice to contact the coach or directors and mention it as an issue of concern and that you and some of the other parents had discussed it during the tourney. The club should address some of the reasons why it happened. Sometimes there is a disconnect and gap in communication that needs to be addressed. It's not necessarily any parties fault just how these things shake out sometimes. Things that parents see as a big deal for obvious reasons my not be of the biggest concern to the club as they are consistently dealing with many issues. Just my 2 cents coming from a former player, coach, director, and most importantly parent of current players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

About what? How rotation is done? I don’t think he should call out his team mates. I don’t even know if that is true (kids subbing themselves or my son’s perception !maybe the team was just short handed a coach.

Our past experience is the coach subbing, managing lines.

Thanks!

At the 2027 level, there should definitely be somebody managing the sidelines, If it was due to a coaching shortage, I would see how it goes when the coaching issue is resolved, if not, I would encourage your son to speak with the coach about the issue, good for his confidence, but also keeps you from being "that " parent, although, since you are looking for guidance for your son, as opposed to asking if you should speak with the coach, I sense that you understand the importance of having your son deal with the situation. That being said, as the kids get into high school, they typically handle subbing on their own, and there is definitely a bit of a hierarchy as to who is on the field. The older kids seem to self manage this relatively well, and at that point the parents start to understand what their kids roll is on the team, however, if the coach doesn't like the line-up on the field, they will correct it immediately (this seems to keep things in line as no kid likes to get yanked off the field). Also, as the kids get older, you start to see a little more focus on particular roles, i.e. SSDM vs. offensive midfielder, so things like subbing are not as much of an issue.

Doesn’t matter. Looking for advice to give my son as a as on what to do versus criticize the club. The coach is very good. Just want to support my son develop as a player and young man.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn’t matter. Looking for advice to give my son as a as on what to do versus criticize the club. The coach is very good. Just want to support my son develop as a player and young man.

Great attitude. Too many people try to place blame, when you are only looking for advice to help your son.

Would love some general opinions of local lax clubs in North Central NJ....

My son is going into 3rd grade, and we're looking to join a club. He's good for his age, but at this stage we're not looking for anything too serious--partially because he's also on a club hockey team. It's more about him having fun, getting some good coaching to improve his skills, making new friends, having opportunities to play on a team next Summer once town season is over, etc.

We're based a little west of the Bedminster area. So, simply from a location standpoint, I believe our best choices are Patriots Lax and Blue Star. He's doing a BBL camp this week, but they're a little further away.

In general, I don't know much about these organizations. Would welcome any input about these organizations--or if there's other clubs I should be considering. Thanks.

Try STEPS, Riot and Tri State too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would love some general opinions of local lax clubs in North Central NJ....

My son is going into 3rd grade, and we're looking to join a club. He's good for his age, but at this stage we're not looking for anything too serious--partially because he's also on a club hockey team. It's more about him having fun, getting some good coaching to improve his skills, making new friends, having opportunities to play on a team next Summer once town season is over, etc.

We're based a little west of the Bedminster area. So, simply from a location standpoint, I believe our best choices are Patriots Lax and Blue Star. He's doing a BBL camp this week, but they're a little further away.

In general, I don't know much about these organizations. Would welcome any input about these organizations--or if there's other clubs I should be considering. Thanks.

it's 3rd grade, stay local and play with his friends.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would love some general opinions of local lax clubs in North Central NJ....

My son is going into 3rd grade, and we're looking to join a club. He's good for his age, but at this stage we're not looking for anything too serious--partially because he's also on a club hockey team. It's more about him having fun, getting some good coaching to improve his skills, making new friends, having opportunities to play on a team next Summer once town season is over, etc.

We're based a little west of the Bedminster area. So, simply from a location standpoint, I believe our best choices are Patriots Lax and Blue Star. He's doing a BBL camp this week, but they're a little further away.

In general, I don't know much about these organizations. Would welcome any input about these organizations--or if there's other clubs I should be considering. Thanks.

it's 3rd grade, stay local and play with his friends.

Definitely planning to play town lax....but it's a short season, so we want to give him more opportunities to grow/play throughout the year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Try STEPS, Riot and Tri State too

Thanks. Unfortunately, those are a bit of a drive for us....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Try STEPS, Riot and Tri State too

Thanks. Unfortunately, those are a bit of a drive for us....

Most clubs are exactly the same, they hit you we the upfront fee for practice, etc., and then for tournaments, this is not unique to Blue Star. As far as what you are looking for in a program, I think that you would be very happy with Blue Star and its coaches. Practices are convenient for you, and they have different levels of commitment. They have a flex team for kids like your son that are not sure about their level of commitment, and he can always work his way up if lacrosse becomes more important to him in the future. For what it's worth, not a Blue Star coach or director, just a satisfied parent.

Wow. I guess dissatisfied parents should go elsewhere?

Why all the bluestar detest on this board?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. I guess dissatisfied parents should go elsewhere?

Kind of an unusual reply, but yes, if you are not happy with a club, the choice is yours to make a change. The bigger question is what you get for the money. Just because a club costs less, doesn't mean that it is a better value. You seem to be hung up on the cost, but have not offered anything constructive about the program itself. I am willing to pay the money so long as the value is there. Also, to the extent that the prior poster complained about the pricing, it seems to work well for kids that have other athletic commitments, i.e., if you are not playing fall ball due to football or soccer, you are not getting hit for fall tournament costs, likewise with winter box if your kid plays hockey or basketball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why all the bluestar detest on this board?

Looks like the original post criticizing the fee structure for BS was deleted...probably for the best, but makes the replies seem out of place. Either way, every program has its positives an negatives, it's just a matter of finding the right fit for your kid.

criticism of bluestar that is not related to fee structure:

I've witnessed summer practices where there are 30 kids to 1 coach at a very young age. While the coach is great with the kids, there is only so much 1 coach can do to keep 30 kids actively engaged in a practice.

On gameday I've seen the single coach completely mismanage the bench. I'm talking kids not getting the game at all and/or routinely running offense and defensive sets accidentally man-down.

Good teams routinely entered into B brackets of tournaments. Crushing other team, but not very challenging to the roster.

Thanks for the feedback, guys. I wasn't meaning to stir up a hornets' nest with my questions....

Obviously, every coach...and every team in a club...is different. And even 2 family's experience on the same team can vary. In general, another family I know in the area was RIDICULOUSLY complimentary of their son's experience with the Blue Star coaches. That was the primary reason they said they kept their son there.

I have no perspective of Patriot. Anyone have experience there?

FYI. My son went to BBL camp this week. I have been pretty disappointed in what I've seen. To the point above, ratio is about 30 kids to 1 coach. And, there really doesn't seem to be a lot of "coaching" going on. Running kids through a few drills--after starting 15 minutes late. 25-minute breaks. 45-minute games of "handball" with 40 kids together on the field. 15 minute "games" where kids all run the whole field--no positions. Perhaps my expectations were not realistic--since it was our first time at one of these "camps"--but I was definitely hoping for a lot more "instruction" and feedback to help my son get better. Not against clubs making $$$, but it seems like this camp is more about making $ than really teaching kids to get better at lacrosse.

And, to be clear, I'm not meaning to call out BBL. We haven't been to other club camps...so maybe this camp experience is the same everywhere. I assume (hopefully) that if my son makes it on an actual club team--with any club--they'd be focused a lot more on instruction/feedback in that setting.

Can't judge BBL by the camps! They are prob a little lad back as it is summer and the foot isn't fully engaged in the throttle. Camps in general are a bit on the laid-back side. It is summer! To be transparent I am a BBL dad and would leave in a heart beat if things weren't up to my liking. But again my two lax'ers, 4th and 6th both play BBL year-round and have attended dozens of summer camps. Never a BBL camp but camps from West Point, to upstate NY, Westchester, Rockland, and Jersey. They tend to make them fun. I would say the 2 monsters have attended 50 camps in 4 summers with 8 camps so far this summer. I will say this bud you sound hard core and that's what I am or so I've been told. What I like about BBL is the structure, expectations, organization, communication, and honestly I like it all and can't complain. They provide the Academy classes which are extra add on 4-6wk clinics throughout the year. Lots and lots of training. Then there's a box in the winter. Also the have winter and summer leagues. Honestly I couldn't ask for more!!!! Get in contact with BBL and see if they will allow your son to participate in one of the travel team practices. Sorta like a test drive if you will. The proof is in the pudding and I say run what ya brung and if it works then wear it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

criticism of bluestar that is not related to fee structure:

I've witnessed summer practices where there are 30 kids to 1 coach at a very young age. While the coach is great with the kids, there is only so much 1 coach can do to keep 30 kids actively engaged in a practice.

On gameday I've seen the single coach completely mismanage the bench. I'm talking kids not getting the game at all and/or routinely running offense and defensive sets accidentally man-down.

Good teams routinely entered into B brackets of tournaments. Crushing other team, but not very challenging to the roster.

I’ve seen a lot of clubs in action. Bluestar HS level practices are probably the worst I’ve seen. And that is for their top teams. Kids are standing around for more than 50% of practice. And if you are not part of Shawnee or Westfield you won’t really get any attention.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

criticism of bluestar that is not related to fee structure:

I've witnessed summer practices where there are 30 kids to 1 coach at a very young age. While the coach is great with the kids, there is only so much 1 coach can do to keep 30 kids actively engaged in a practice.

On gameday I've seen the single coach completely mismanage the bench. I'm talking kids not getting the game at all and/or routinely running offense and defensive sets accidentally man-down.

Good teams routinely entered into B brackets of tournaments. Crushing other team, but not very challenging to the roster.

I’ve seen a lot of clubs in action. Bluestar HS level practices are probably the worst I’ve seen. And that is for their top teams. Kids are standing around for more than 50% of practice. And if you are not part of Shawnee or Westfield you won’t really get any attention.

My experience has been quite the opposite. Every practice is loaded with coaches who are actively engaged. They also have a lot of college kids on hand as assistant coaches, they interact well on a more personal level with the kids, and they are really helpful if they are a specialist like a FOGO because they work with those kids on the team. As far as the top teams and playing time, welcome to high school club lacrosse, top kids get the most time, this in not just Bluestar. Many clubs will simply boot the underperforming kids off of the team, at least Bluestar gives them a chance. While this may lead to a larger group on the sidelines, it is the choice of the parent and player to be on the team (maybe just the parent in some instances). As far as the B bracket tournaments, this is just wrong, top teams play in top tournaments, but this is easily verifiable on their website where the schedules are located. Since they have more than one team at each age group, you may be mistaken about which team is playing in a tournament. Finally, in case you didn't notice there are a lot of Westfield and Shawnee kids in the program in general, so the odds are that they will make up a large part of a team, but look at some of their top teams, they have kids from all over the State, also easily verifiable. Bottom line, everybody needs to do their own due diligence and see what works best for their kid, every program has its pros and cons, but posts like the above come off as sour grapes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

criticism of bluestar that is not related to fee structure:

I've witnessed summer practices where there are 30 kids to 1 coach at a very young age. While the coach is great with the kids, there is only so much 1 coach can do to keep 30 kids actively engaged in a practice.

On gameday I've seen the single coach completely mismanage the bench. I'm talking kids not getting the game at all and/or routinely running offense and defensive sets accidentally man-down.

Good teams routinely entered into B brackets of tournaments. Crushing other team, but not very challenging to the roster.

I’ve seen a lot of clubs in action. Bluestar HS level practices are probably the worst I’ve seen. And that is for their top teams. Kids are standing around for more than 50% of practice. And if you are not part of Shawnee or Westfield you won’t really get any attention.

My experience has been quite the opposite. Every practice is loaded with coaches who are actively engaged. They also have a lot of college kids on hand as assistant coaches, they interact well on a more personal level with the kids, and they are really helpful if they are a specialist like a FOGO because they work with those kids on the team. As far as the top teams and playing time, welcome to high school club lacrosse, top kids get the most time, this in not just Bluestar. Many clubs will simply boot the underperforming kids off of the team, at least Bluestar gives them a chance. While this may lead to a larger group on the sidelines, it is the choice of the parent and player to be on the team (maybe just the parent in some instances). As far as the B bracket tournaments, this is just wrong, top teams play in top tournaments, but this is easily verifiable on their website where the schedules are located. Since they have more than one team at each age group, you may be mistaken about which team is playing in a tournament. Finally, in case you didn't notice there are a lot of Westfield and Shawnee kids in the program in general, so the odds are that they will make up a large part of a team, but look at some of their top teams, they have kids from all over the State, also easily verifiable. Bottom line, everybody needs to do their own due diligence and see what works best for their kid, every program has its pros and cons, but posts like the above come off as sour grapes.

Let’s have MV and Don exit the conversation so we can go back to talking the merits of BBL vs LE. How did we get so far down the road with This one particular club?

BBL 2024 eeked out a win today vs. LE, 8-7. BBL parents prolly getting concerned. Their dream is ending. And FYI, both teams in the losers bracket.

LE 2023 got spanked by TriState today.

Bad day for NJ 2023’s overall. Possibly late start do to HS season or we’re significantly behind in this class players. Big win for Tri State for,local bragging rightSs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023 got spanked by TriState today.

That’s an oof for the LE program. Roy brothers have run it into the ground. Easy to see it coming.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bad day for NJ 2023’s overall. Possibly late start do to HS season or we’re significantly behind in this class players. Big win for Tri State for,local bragging rightSs

Honestly think this is the issue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3 HS teams ranked in the USLacrosse/Nike poll just ended their seasons. Couple that with the fact the Travel season has been well on its way!!!!

Probably part of it, but can’t blame that on Tri State beating up on LE. Too many clubs in NJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023 got spanked by TriState today.

That’s an oof for the LE program. Roy brothers have run it into the ground. Easy to see it coming.

The TriState players that got cut from LE had something to prove. Selfish play vs unselfish play. If the LE boys don't pull their heads out of their collective rears they might all get cut.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

criticism of bluestar that is not related to fee structure:

I've witnessed summer practices where there are 30 kids to 1 coach at a very young age. While the coach is great with the kids, there is only so much 1 coach can do to keep 30 kids actively engaged in a practice.

On gameday I've seen the single coach completely mismanage the bench. I'm talking kids not getting the game at all and/or routinely running offense and defensive sets accidentally man-down.

Good teams routinely entered into B brackets of tournaments. Crushing other team, but not very challenging to the roster.

I’ve seen a lot of clubs in action. Bluestar HS level practices are probably the worst I’ve seen. And that is for their top teams. Kids are standing around for more than 50% of practice. And if you are not part of Shawnee or Westfield you won’t really get any attention.

My experience has been quite the opposite. Every practice is loaded with coaches who are actively engaged. They also have a lot of college kids on hand as assistant coaches, they interact well on a more personal level with the kids, and they are really helpful if they are a specialist like a FOGO because they work with those kids on the team. As far as the top teams and playing time, welcome to high school club lacrosse, top kids get the most time, this in not just Bluestar. Many clubs will simply boot the underperforming kids off of the team, at least Bluestar gives them a chance. While this may lead to a larger group on the sidelines, it is the choice of the parent and player to be on the team (maybe just the parent in some instances). As far as the B bracket tournaments, this is just wrong, top teams play in top tournaments, but this is easily verifiable on their website where the schedules are located. Since they have more than one team at each age group, you may be mistaken about which team is playing in a tournament. Finally, in case you didn't notice there are a lot of Westfield and Shawnee kids in the program in general, so the odds are that they will make up a large part of a team, but look at some of their top teams, they have kids from all over the State, also easily verifiable. Bottom line, everybody needs to do their own due diligence and see what works best for their kid, every program has its pros and cons, but posts like the above come off as sour grapes.

Let’s have MV and Don exit the conversation so we can go back to talking the merits of BBL vs LE. How did we get so far down the road with This one particular club?

Yup, looks like a personal axe to grind....as for merits of LE vs. BBL, we all know what happened to LE this weekend, not really sure where BBL was playing..so not too many positives to discuss on that front.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably part of it, but can’t blame that on Tri State beating up on LE. Too many clubs in NJ

Agreed, high school season is not an excuse...club always starts right after high school, high school ran late and club tournaments started later as well. As far as too many clubs, I do agree to a certain extent, but to some degree its good to have a variety so that lacrosse is open more players a different skill levels. Right now, you have most of the top NJ players on LE, Tri State, BBL, Riot and Bluestar.. not sure that it would make much of a difference if one of those clubs was not in the mix, and there would be less opportunities for the kid that gets cut from one team, at least they have other options. LE kids going to Tri Sate is a perfect example.

Kudos to the BBL 2024 team for their victory. Down 2-0 they scored 8 goals over the rest of the game to clinch the win. It should be noted though, LE was playing without its top scorer who is a probable top 20 NLF player, a starting two way middie, a starting shut down short stick defender (whose brother is going to Yale for LSM so you understand his pedigree) and one of their best lock down defenders could only play sparingly because of a leg injury. Both teams are middle of the pack, would like to see a play day with TRI State next year once all the teams are at full strength.

In the end it is about college commitments with LE, they lost the game but will win the recruiting game which starts in September.

The Roy brothers have not ruined it. There are just a lot of teams in NJ now. They all have positives and negatives.

For those looking to change teams in HS your crazy. Stay with your club unless you switch prior to the start of 9th grade. Why trust your recruiting process to people you don’t know when your new to a club. If your good enough and go to some showcases and prospect days you’ll be found.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023 got spanked by TriState today.

That’s an oof for the LE program. Roy brothers have run it into the ground. Easy to see it coming.

The TriState players that got cut from LE had something to prove. Selfish play vs unselfish play. If the LE boys don't pull their heads out of their collective rears they might all get cut.

Might be right. Some '22's are running outta time, they could easily reclass to '23 and bumping some of them.

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LE 2023 got spanked by TriState today.

That’s an oof for the LE program. Roy brothers have run it into the ground. Easy to see it coming.

The TriState players that got cut from LE had something to prove. Selfish play vs unselfish play. If the LE boys don't pull their heads out of their collective rears they might all get cut.

Might be right. Some '22's are running outta time, they could easily reclass to '23 and bumping some of them.

Very talented players on the LE 2023 team, simply no chemistry, that's on the coaches. I am sure that the constant tinkering with the roster only makes it worse.

BBL trying to set up a Shore team with tryouts Thursday? Where are the players coming from?

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Kudos to the BBL 2024 team for their victory. Down 2-0 they scored 8 goals over the rest of the game to clinch the win. It should be noted though, LE was playing without its top scorer who is a probable top 20 NLF player, a starting two way middie, a starting shut down short stick defender (whose brother is going to Yale for LSM so you understand his pedigree) and one of their best lock down defenders could only play sparingly because of a leg injury. Both teams are middle of the pack, would like to see a play day with TRI State next year once all the teams are at full strength.

This take is way off the mark.

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In the end it is about college commitments with LE, they lost the game but will win the recruiting game which starts in September.

If you say so. Gotta be in the winners bracket on Sunday to be seen buddy.

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BBL trying to set up a Shore team with tryouts Thursday? Where are the players coming from?

This is a colossal waste of time, and the real problem when people talk about too many clubs in NJ, its a few clubs with too many teams. The top shore players do not stay local for club lacrosse. Nobody wants to be on the outpost BBL team when they are well aware that the best kids are playing out of Florham Park.

The BBL north teams are terrible. The shore teams will provably be terrible too. Typical money grab.

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The BBL north teams are terrible. The shore teams will provably be terrible too. Typical money grab.

Agree with this take, and have seen the BBL north teams first hand. But they are usually at lower-end brackets and for the kids involved, it is much better that they are playing vs. not playing. Several of them, if they are (or will be) at smaller high schools, or at lesser programs, may have perfectly fine high school careers and will be much better off for having the reps.

BBL must already have a foundation of kids ready to join the 2025 team with tryouts to fill in the rest of the team. There are not enough players to support the programs already established in that area.

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BBL must already have a foundation of kids ready to join the 2025 team with tryouts to fill in the rest of the team. There are not enough players to support the programs already established in that area.

Perhaps they are thinking that they will try and grab the Mad Dog 2025 team, only option in the area. Either way, as noted in several posts, a one-off team grab at the shore will not work, I guarantee that those Mad Dog 2025 kids are already registered for tryouts with other clubs anyway since this is the year that most kids move, However, it could be orchestrated grab similar to the decimation of the Mad Dog 2023 team which was handled pretty disgracefully.

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BBL trying to set up a Shore team with tryouts Thursday? Where are the players coming from?

This is a colossal waste of time, and the real problem when people talk about too many clubs in NJ, its a few clubs with too many teams. The top shore players do not stay local for club lacrosse. Nobody wants to be on the outpost BBL team when they are well aware that the best kids are playing out of Florham Park.

Agree 100%. Especially starting at 2025 and 2026 no real talented players are going to play for BBL Shore (unless they merge with a United or a Mad Dog). The really good shore players already travel to BBL Elite or LE or even Tri-State (for the older ages). BBL North is likely the 3rd best club - if not 4th -- out of Bergen County. Less and less clubs are filling up the NJ market. Multiple 91 Teams (which LE is also a part of) now Tribal is with Express, four BBL teams (Elite, Helix, North and now Shore). Pretty soon everyone will be playing for Express, Team 91, True and BBL. Hopefully this will cause more start up clubs or off one clubs to form.

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BBL must already have a foundation of kids ready to join the 2025 team with tryouts to fill in the rest of the team. There are not enough players to support the programs already established in that area.

Turn out was very low for the tryout. 4 to 5 Gold Helmets, Mad Dog kids, a number of b-players, and the 2024 Shore kid.

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BBL must already have a foundation of kids ready to join the 2025 team with tryouts to fill in the rest of the team. There are not enough players to support the programs already established in that area.

Turn out was very low for the tryout. 4 to 5 Gold Helmets, Mad Dog kids, a number of b-players, and the 2024 Shore kid.

Yes, it’s 24’s who were bumped by 23’s who were bumped by 22’s.

Can you guys explain a little more...I am missing something....was there a 24 at the 25 tryout for BBL?...and he is from Shore???....they have a few good 2024's but I believe one plays for BBL and one might play for LE or TRI State.....and are the gold helmet kids the good Mad Dog kids that play for their national select team?

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Can you guys explain a little more...I am missing something....was there a 24 at the 25 tryout for BBL?...and he is from Shore???....they have a few good 2024's but I believe one plays for BBL and one might play for LE or TRI State.....and are the gold helmet kids the good Mad Dog kids that play for their national select team?

So based on the website, they are trying to follow the True model of setting up a National team. They are selling kids complete BS. The website actually says,

"Our BBL Black Team is one of the top 2025 teams in the country. Our Shore Team will be able to have college recruiting combines and National Team opportunities with BBL National."

So they are basically saying our 2025 Black is elite. Sign up for BBLS Shore and can get a chance to play on our "National Team." The reality is that if Black is so good, there is no way any kids from Shore or North or Helix makes the National team unless they carry a huge roster or kids from Black do not play for the National team -- which is unlikely.

And the promise of college recruiting combines is also a myth. The Shore (or North or Helix) kids will get lost at a combine with the Elite kids. The recruiters will be there to see the Black kids.

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Can you guys explain a little more...I am missing something....was there a 24 at the 25 tryout for BBL?...and he is from Shore???....they have a few good 2024's but I believe one plays for BBL and one might play for LE or TRI State.....and are the gold helmet kids the good Mad Dog kids that play for their national select team?

Gold helmets are Mad Dog National kids, but as the NJ players eventually find out, Mad Dog could care less about the NJ kids, they cater to the west coast. Top high school kids from the shore area are at LE, Tri State and Blue Star, a few on BBL Elite

13u at the WSYL has been a great showing for NJ. NJ express, Bbl, towerman (and tigers with a few jersey kids) all advance. South, Midwest and west advance zero teams. Long Island sends 1, upstate my sends 1, md/va sends 2. Respect for the garden state at the youth ranks 👍🏻

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13u at the WSYL has been a great showing for NJ. NJ express, Bbl, towerman (and tigers with a few jersey kids) all advance. South, Midwest and west advance zero teams. Long Island sends 1, upstate my sends 1, md/va sends 2. Respect for the garden state at the youth ranks 👍🏻

It’s good, but just know that is not where the best clubs are playing.

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13u at the WSYL has been a great showing for NJ. NJ express, Bbl, towerman (and tigers with a few jersey kids) all advance. South, Midwest and west advance zero teams. Long Island sends 1, upstate my sends 1, md/va sends 2. Respect for the garden state at the youth ranks 👍🏻

It’s good, but just know that is not where the best clubs are playing.

Everybody gets it, let them enjoy the moment

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Can you guys explain a little more...I am missing something....was there a 24 at the 25 tryout for BBL?...and he is from Shore???....they have a few good 2024's but I believe one plays for BBL and one might play for LE or TRI State.....and are the gold helmet kids the good Mad Dog kids that play for their national select team?

Gold helmets are Mad Dog National kids, but as the NJ players eventually find out, Mad Dog could care less about the NJ kids, they cater to the west coast. Top high school kids from the shore area are at LE, Tri State and Blue Star, a few on BBL Elite

Is it that they cater to the west coast, or is it just that those kids are better? Seems like the NJ Mad Dog kids jump ship to other NJ clubs but only a few are actually elite level players. Mad dog at the high school level has been doing very well. Usually better than most NJ clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you guys explain a little more...I am missing something....was there a 24 at the 25 tryout for BBL?...and he is from Shore???....they have a few good 2024's but I believe one plays for BBL and one might play for LE or TRI State.....and are the gold helmet kids the good Mad Dog kids that play for their national select team?

Gold helmets are Mad Dog National kids, but as the NJ players eventually find out, Mad Dog could care less about the NJ kids, they cater to the west coast. Top high school kids from the shore area are at LE, Tri State and Blue Star, a few on BBL Elite

Is it that they cater to the west coast, or is it just that those kids are better? Seems like the NJ Mad Dog kids jump ship to other NJ clubs but only a few are actually elite level players. Mad dog at the high school level has been doing very well. Usually better than most NJ clubs.

Great question for the MD 2021 and MD National 2021 kids from NJ....all very good players....and what MD team at the high school level is better than most NJ clubs, other than 2021,, or are you referring to the MD West teams. MD West has been very successful because they were early into the market and aggregate a lot of good west coast kids for their National team.

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Can you guys explain a little more...I am missing something....was there a 24 at the 25 tryout for BBL?...and he is from Shore???....they have a few good 2024's but I believe one plays for BBL and one might play for LE or TRI State.....and are the gold helmet kids the good Mad Dog kids that play for their national select team?

Gold helmets are Mad Dog National kids, but as the NJ players eventually find out, Mad Dog could care less about the NJ kids, they cater to the west coast. Top high school kids from the shore area are at LE, Tri State and Blue Star, a few on BBL Elite

Is it that they cater to the west coast, or is it just that those kids are better? Seems like the NJ Mad Dog kids jump ship to other NJ clubs but only a few are actually elite level players. Mad dog at the high school level has been doing very well. Usually better than most NJ clubs.

Great question for the MD 2021 and MD National 2021 kids from NJ....all very good players....and what MD team at the high school level is better than most NJ clubs, other than 2021,, or are you referring to the MD West teams. MD West has been very successful because they were early into the market and aggregate a lot of good west coast kids for their National team.

Not sure they cater but Mad Dog NJ only pulls from a small area of NJ. Difficult to build a competitive team from a few shore towns. MD high school teams are National Teams. They have the best players from Texas to CA, they should be better than everyone.

BBL vs Team 91 for WSYL U14 Championship. LFGNJ!!!!

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BBL vs Team 91 for WSYL U14 Championship. LFGNJ!!!!

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BBL vs Team 91 for WSYL U14 Championship. LFGNJ!!!!

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BBL vs Team 91 for WSYL U14 Championship. LFGNJ!!!!

How do you watch the game today?

Games on tomorrow on ESPN "U" and "2" or the APP.

Thoughts on 3D Garden State their 2025 team looks strong. Does anyone know anything about them into highschool.

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Thoughts on 3D Garden State their 2025 team looks strong. Does anyone know anything about them into highschool.

They have some good teams in New England, and a pretty decent national team, but not a strong presence in NJ

BBL played very well on ESPN. Nice Jersey represent

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BBL played very well on ESPN. Nice Jersey represent

Awesome to see Jersey break through on the big stage. Getting closer. Trophy is next.

Does LE ever take back kids they cut at a young age- middle school.

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Does LE ever take back kids they cut at a young age- middle school.

LE will take anybody that they think is good enough...question is, why would you ever go back when there are so many other options

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Does LE ever take back kids they cut at a young age- middle school.

I have no info specific to LE. But would assume any club would take a player back if they would improve the team.

This assumes the following:
1) The player improved relative to his peers and/or addressed any issues with attitude/coachability.
2) The player wasn't cut because his parent(s) are toxic.

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[quote=Anonymous]Does LE ever take back kids they cut at a young age- middle school.

It’s rare but Possible. Not worth it in my opinion. A lot of kids left/got cut and went on to play in college via other programs. The bottom half of LE teams are not really recruited and you’d be better off elsewhere.

[quote=Anonymous]Does LE ever take back kids they cut at a young age- middle school.[/quote

Don’t bother. Club is trending down and not worth it. Gonna be a Team 91 of some kind soon. Stay where you are and be great.

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[quote=Anonymous]Does LE ever take back kids they cut at a young age- middle school.[/quote

Don’t bother. Club is trending down and not worth it. Gonna be a Team 91 of some kind soon. Stay where you are and be great.

Thanks, club director. LE, not the only game in town anymore. It really depends on what you want in a club. LE is more for a lacrosse-only kid. TriState, Blue Star, and Riot are putting kids in college.
If your son just wants to play, keep him where he is. if he is going to be 6'2" or 5'10" and runs a 4.60/40 LE could be a good fit.

Team 91 NJ needs to combine its teams, I believe there are three of them not including Leading Edge which is separate, into one central location and make a more competitive team. It is ridiculous to have so many separate teams from one state. If you have enough players just have an A&B and hopefully the kids can move up. The 8th grade thru high school kids parents will be more than willing to drive, LE and BBL are examples of this, if the teams are better.

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Team 91 NJ needs to combine its teams, I believe there are three of them not including Leading Edge which is separate, into one central location and make a more competitive team. It is ridiculous to have so many separate teams from one state. If you have enough players just have an A&B and hopefully the kids can move up. The 8th grade thru high school kids parents will be more than willing to drive, LE and BBL are examples of this, if the teams are better.

Most ages have south, west and north teams. Plus LE which is a Team 91 team but has been permitted to keep the LE name. It is simply another local team for A to B level kids. LE is the only AA team and all the good kids will gravitate to that teams once they get to 9th grade

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Team 91 NJ needs to combine its teams, I believe there are three of them not including Leading Edge which is separate, into one central location and make a more competitive team. It is ridiculous to have so many separate teams from one state. If you have enough players just have an A&B and hopefully the kids can move up. The 8th grade thru high school kids parents will be more than willing to drive, LE and BBL are examples of this, if the teams are better.

Most ages have south, west and north teams. Plus LE which is a Team 91 team but has been permitted to keep the LE name. It is simply another local team for A to B level kids. LE is the only AA team and all the good kids will gravitate to that teams once they get to 9th grade

I think that the issue is that high school is a completely different experience at LE, their youth teams are not a strong feeder program. While I am sure that they find a few kids from their youth teams, which are not typically strong,, there is absolutely no loyalty, they have no problem cutting their own kids.

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Team 91 NJ needs to combine its teams, I believe there are three of them not including Leading Edge which is separate, into one central location and make a more competitive team. It is ridiculous to have so many separate teams from one state. If you have enough players just have an A&B and hopefully the kids can move up. The 8th grade thru high school kids parents will be more than willing to drive, LE and BBL are examples of this, if the teams are better.

Most ages have south, west and north teams. Plus LE which is a Team 91 team but has been permitted to keep the LE name. It is simply another local team for A to B level kids. LE is the only AA team and all the good kids will gravitate to that teams once they get to 9th grade

I think that the issue is that high school is a completely different experience at LE, their youth teams are not a strong feeder program. While I am sure that they find a few kids from their youth teams, which are not typically strong,, there is absolutely no loyalty, they have no problem cutting their own kids.

I do see what you are saying, but you would hope that if a kid on the current team is equal to a kid that is trying out, they most likely would keep their own.

At the end of the day, if a club is cutting weaker players to add better players that tryout at the high school level, how can you fault them? Damned if you do damned if you don’t. It’s probably better then demoting them to a B team to collect your check and play in B level tournaments to feel good about yourself, right ?

BBL partners with Team United.

Team United has agreed to become a member of the BBL Club system - bringing all of their players over to BBL Shore in a transformative moment in NJ club lacrosse.

Rough day for NJ 2023 & 2024 at the Lax Nationals. Those teams are basically 80% Leading Edge kids, which explains the poor showing. Most overrated club in NJ.

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BBL partners with Team United.

Team United has agreed to become a member of the BBL Club system - bringing all of their players over to BBL Shore in a transformative moment in NJ club lacrosse.

Interesting move. I guess someone’s got to pay for that nice bubble facility. BBL Helix and now south teams.

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Rough day for NJ 2023 & 2024 at the Lax Nationals. Those teams are basically 80% Leading Edge kids, which explains the poor showing. Most overrated club in NJ.

Even worse for the 2023s today.

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Rough day for NJ 2023 & 2024 at the Lax Nationals. Those teams are basically 80% Leading Edge kids, which explains the poor showing. Most overrated club in NJ.

Even worse for the 2023s today.

Fogo was not there. Few others had injuries.

Interesting point brought up in another NJ forum. Thought it would be better discussion that Leading Edge vs BBL.

High School to Club relationship…what high schools are repped heavily on which clubs?

I think LE always likes “fresh players” if a team isn’t performing.. But I think depending on the year they already know who they want to add before the tryout unless a kid walking into the tryout is lights out. Or at least they are “encouraging” some kids to try out or have them guest play later in the season. That’s what I hear but who knows.

Heard bbl is losing their youth director but trying not to say anything until after tryouts….

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Rough day for NJ 2023 & 2024 at the Lax Nationals. Those teams are basically 80% Leading Edge kids, which explains the poor showing. Most overrated club in NJ.

Even worse for the 2023s today.

Fogo was not there. Few others had injuries.

We’ll if you’re that reliant on a FOGO, you’re not that good.

[quote=Anonymous]Interesting point brought up in another NJ forum. Thought it would be better discussion that Leading Edge vs BBL.

High School to Club relationship…what high schools are repped heavily on which clubs?[/quote

Top clubs- HS teams, in general:

Tri-State: Seton Hall Prep
Bluestar: Westfield, Pingry, Shawnee, Rumson, Christian Brothers
Leading Edge: Various good players but no real affiliation, seems like a shift toward shore like Wall lately.
BBL: All north jersey top youth programs
Riot: Bergen Catholic & Don Bosco
SouthShore: St.Augustine, etc
Patriot: Delbarton, sort of

There’s more but that’s the majors.

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Heard bbl is losing their youth director but trying not to say anything until after tryouts….

Heard the same. Tyler Russell is out as youth BBL director.

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[quote=Anonymous]Interesting point brought up in another NJ forum. Thought it would be better discussion that Leading Edge vs BBL.

High School to Club relationship…what high schools are repped heavily on which clubs?[/quote

Top clubs- HS teams, in general:

Tri-State: Seton Hall Prep
Bluestar: Westfield, Pingry, Shawnee, Rumson, Christian Brothers
Leading Edge: Various good players but no real affiliation, seems like a shift toward shore like Wall lately.
BBL: All north jersey top youth programs
Riot: Bergen Catholic & Don Bosco
SouthShore: St.Augustine, etc
Patriot: Delbarton, sort of

There’s more but that’s the majors.

LE has number of Delbarton kids

Florham Park Sports Dome is owned by Conklin.

Hey do you have the particular position the director that is leaving holds? Communication has been horrible for the parents and they are getting very frustrated to say the least. I think the Club is getting a bit overly ambitious and losing sight of what got them to this point!!!!!!!! I'm good with comm as I have personal phone #s but it's not cool that these parents are out there with no direction on TeamSnap trying to get answers and no direction from any representative from the club especially the coaches, crickets!!

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Heard bbl is losing their youth director but trying not to say anything until after tryouts….

Sorry meant to be more specific in my first post. When you say youth director can I assume you mean the "central" youth director??????? To my recollection the "north" has a YD as well. Thanks just a parent trying to figure out if I should keep my kids in the program. Like I said it's getting pretty crappy on the BBL side of things as far as dealing with the parents concerns and questions as well as tournament logistics (BBL didn't register our team for a tourney and scrambled last minute and provided a subpar alternate tourney) also canceling practices due to WSYL for teams not in WSYL cause I guess those teams don't matter and now not making up the practices but yet going to tourneys when the boys haven't practiced in 3 weeks. All to say we got ROCKED by some nationally competitive programs, just embarrassed!!!!

All their website indicates is he organized events, training, and player development. I’ve heard great things about him and how he ran the youth. Big loss imo

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[quote=Anonymous]Interesting point brought up in another NJ forum. Thought it would be better discussion that Leading Edge vs BBL.

High School to Club relationship…what high schools are repped heavily on which clubs?[/quote

Top clubs- HS teams, in general:

Tri-State: Seton Hall Prep
Bluestar: Westfield, Pingry, Shawnee, Rumson, Christian Brothers
Leading Edge: Various good players but no real affiliation, seems like a shift toward shore like Wall lately.
BBL: All north jersey top youth programs
Riot: Bergen Catholic & Don Bosco
SouthShore: St.Augustine, etc
Patriot: Delbarton, sort of

There’s more but that’s the majors.

LE has number of Delbarton kids

Best kids at Delbarton are not on Patriot. That ship sailed. Steps is probably better than Patriot now.

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Heard bbl is losing their youth director but trying not to say anything until after tryouts….

Sorry meant to be more specific in my first post. When you say youth director can I assume you mean the "central" youth director??????? To my recollection the "north" has a YD as well. Thanks just a parent trying to figure out if I should keep my kids in the program. Like I said it's getting pretty crappy on the BBL side of things as far as dealing with the parents concerns and questions as well as tournament logistics (BBL didn't register our team for a tourney and scrambled last minute and provided a subpar alternate tourney) also canceling practices due to WSYL for teams not in WSYL cause I guess those teams don't matter and now not making up the practices but yet going to tourneys when the boys haven't practiced in 3 weeks. All to say we got ROCKED by some nationally competitive programs, just embarrassed!!!!

BBL is running into what Tri-State did multiple years ago. Too many teams and spread too thin. They have to cover the costs of the full time coaches and employees. Do they have some talented teams ? Yes. That 2025 team is very good. But it is a matter of time before kids head for the hills to other clubs in NJ. The wheels can fall off rather quickly. For us, it is time to find a different club.

BBL also went to most of their players and told them they cannot try out elsewhere or there would be consequences. That is ridiculous. Essentially you can be cut or moved to the Helix team, but don't dare try out for another club.

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BBL also went to most of their players and told them they cannot try out elsewhere or there would be consequences. That is ridiculous. Essentially you can be cut or moved to the Helix team, but don't dare try out for another club.

They beat all the other jersey clubs this year, whats with the death grip on players? Doesn’t add up. United has some talent that will definitely break into their top team

You will usually see lots of kids start to leave BBL in 8th/9th grade. The 2024 and 2025 teams will likely stay intact but that is not the norm. many of the better 2026 and younger players will likely head to LE eventually.

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BBL also went to most of their players and told them they cannot try out elsewhere or there would be consequences. That is ridiculous. Essentially you can be cut or moved to the Helix team, but don't dare try out for another club.

They beat all the other jersey clubs this year, whats with the death grip on players? Doesn’t add up. United has some talent that will definitely break into their top team

Interesting comment. There is much more than just "beating other clubs". Players have a million other reasons that they may leave and find a different home. If they are putting the death grip on their guys, it could be as though they are worried some kids may leave. Just because they won a couple games against different clubs doesn't necessarily mean kids are going to stay.

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Heard bbl is losing their youth director but trying not to say anything until after tryouts….

Sorry meant to be more specific in my first post. When you say youth director can I assume you mean the "central" youth director??????? To my recollection the "north" has a YD as well. Thanks just a parent trying to figure out if I should keep my kids in the program. Like I said it's getting pretty crappy on the BBL side of things as far as dealing with the parents concerns and questions as well as tournament logistics (BBL didn't register our team for a tourney and scrambled last minute and provided a subpar alternate tourney) also canceling practices due to WSYL for teams not in WSYL cause I guess those teams don't matter and now not making up the practices but yet going to tourneys when the boys haven't practiced in 3 weeks. All to say we got ROCKED by some nationally competitive programs, just embarrassed!!!!

No amount of summer practices will take a team from getting "ROCKED" to being competitive.

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BBL also went to most of their players and told them they cannot try out elsewhere or there would be consequences. That is ridiculous. Essentially you can be cut or moved to the Helix team, but don't dare try out for another club.

They beat all the other jersey clubs this year, whats with the death grip on players? Doesn’t add up. United has some talent that will definitely break into their top team

On their 2025 team, the offense went through just one kid. If you are not that kid, and you play the offensive side of the field, you may want to leave, no matter how many games the team won.

Was this said to you directly? Were you told to not have your son tryout for another team or there would be consequences?

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BBL also went to most of their players and told them they cannot try out elsewhere or there would be consequences. That is ridiculous. Essentially you can be cut or moved to the Helix team, but don't dare try out for another club.

They beat all the other jersey clubs this year, whats with the death grip on players? Doesn’t add up. United has some talent that will definitely break into their top team

On their 2025 team, the offense went through just one kid. If you are not that kid, and you play the offensive side of the field, you may want to leave, no matter how many games the team won.

Totally valid, I think my comment was rather narrow-sighted. Just strange to see kids leaving a successful place from an outside POV

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BBL also went to most of their players and told them they cannot try out elsewhere or there would be consequences. That is ridiculous. Essentially you can be cut or moved to the Helix team, but don't dare try out for another club.

They beat all the other jersey clubs this year, whats with the death grip on players? Doesn’t add up. United has some talent that will definitely break into their top team

On their 2025 team, the offense went through just one kid. If you are not that kid, and you play the offensive side of the field, you may want to leave, no matter how many games the team won.

Totally valid, I think my comment was rather narrow-sighted. Just strange to see kids leaving a successful place from an outside POV

What is success? Winning games for finding a club that can get your son into the best school?
Parents, myself included, get caught up in how many goals my son scores and winning the game. Based on what I'm hearing from parents with older kids, we might have it all wrong.

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BBL also went to most of their players and told them they cannot try out elsewhere or there would be consequences. That is ridiculous. Essentially you can be cut or moved to the Helix team, but don't dare try out for another club.

Did they tell you this directly? Or is this heresay?

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Heard bbl is losing their youth director but trying not to say anything until after tryouts….

Sorry meant to be more specific in my first post. When you say youth director can I assume you mean the "central" youth director??????? To my recollection the "north" has a YD as well. Thanks just a parent trying to figure out if I should keep my kids in the program. Like I said it's getting pretty crappy on the BBL side of things as far as dealing with the parents concerns and questions as well as tournament logistics (BBL didn't register our team for a tourney and scrambled last minute and provided a subpar alternate tourney) also canceling practices due to WSYL for teams not in WSYL cause I guess those teams don't matter and now not making up the practices but yet going to tourneys when the boys haven't practiced in 3 weeks. All to say we got ROCKED by some nationally competitive programs, just embarrassed!!!!

2025 only had 3 WSYL practices before going to the World Series. The only practice that was cancelled was one because 2025 was in Maryland on Thursday of that week? And 2026 Helix had practices the week before 4th of July. What team are you referring to?

Well see fellas that's what I'm talking about!!!!!!!!!! A piece I had also taken from the 14U game, "one man band"!!!!!!!!!! That rarely gets'er done!!!!!!! They say they build lacrosse players but I'm concerned they are more focused on how many teams and regions they can rep. All while losing sight of the quality of player and teams they have. I have a feeling we will be moving on come next summer. Not going to jump the gun and make a rush decision.

To the fella that missed the point on "practice". I never said nor implied practice or any amount in that time frame would have changed the L to a W. My point that obviously went over this gentleman's head and I use that term lightly is that in the absence of ANY practices leading up to a tournament of which the parents were ill informed of is NOT how a leading upper esh program should operate!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well see fellas that's what I'm talking about!!!!!!!!!! A piece I had also taken from the 14U game, "one man band"!!!!!!!!!! That rarely gets'er done!!!!!!! They say they build lacrosse players but I'm concerned they are more focused on how many teams and regions they can rep. All while losing sight of the quality of player and teams they have. I have a feeling we will be moving on come next summer. Not going to jump the gun and make a rush decision.

To the fella that missed the point on "practice". I never said nor implied practice or any amount in that time frame would have changed the L to a W. My point that obviously went over this gentleman's head and I use that term lightly is that in the absence of ANY practices leading up to a tournament of which the parents were ill informed of is NOT how a leading upper esh program should operate!!!!!!!

Again, what team (year) did not have practice for 3 weeks prior to a tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL also went to most of their players and told them they cannot try out elsewhere or there would be consequences. That is ridiculous. Essentially you can be cut or moved to the Helix team, but don't dare try out for another club.

Did they tell you this directly? Or is this heresay?

Told my son directly. We have a decision to make.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well see fellas that's what I'm talking about!!!!!!!!!! A piece I had also taken from the 14U game, "one man band"!!!!!!!!!! That rarely gets'er done!!!!!!! They say they build lacrosse players but I'm concerned they are more focused on how many teams and regions they can rep. All while losing sight of the quality of player and teams they have. I have a feeling we will be moving on come next summer. Not going to jump the gun and make a rush decision.

To the fella that missed the point on "practice". I never said nor implied practice or any amount in that time frame would have changed the L to a W. My point that obviously went over this gentleman's head and I use that term lightly is that in the absence of ANY practices leading up to a tournament of which the parents were ill informed of is NOT how a leading upper esh program should operate!!!!!!!

The party is just getting started my friend! Wait til they acquire a couple more mediocre clubs in jersey so that they can completely water down the brand that was trending in the right direction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL also went to most of their players and told them they cannot try out elsewhere or there would be consequences. That is ridiculous. Essentially you can be cut or moved to the Helix team, but don't dare try out for another club.

Did they tell you this directly? Or is this heresay?

Told my son directly. We have a decision to make.

Mine as well... I’m sure any other reputable club could get them the showcase invite they’re threatening to pull. I get this is a serious program, but I don’t think its right to give teenagers ultimatums

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL also went to most of their players and told them they cannot try out elsewhere or there would be consequences. That is ridiculous. Essentially you can be cut or moved to the Helix team, but don't dare try out for another club.

Did they tell you this directly? Or is this heresay?

Told my son directly. We have a decision to make.

Mine as well... I’m sure any other reputable club could get them the showcase invite they’re threatening to pull. I get this is a serious program, but I don’t think its right to give teenagers ultimatums

Your paying BBL to get help get your son into college, not showcases. They don't have the best record of getting their 5-20 players into college. So unless you are the top 5 kids run!

Is it normal for clubs to allow guest players late in the season?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it normal for clubs to allow guest players late in the season?

Team may have been short-handed, or perhaps a kid that they are trying to bring on to the team. Definitely not unusual.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard bbl is losing their youth director but trying not to say anything until after tryouts….

Sorry meant to be more specific in my first post. When you say youth director can I assume you mean the "central" youth director??????? To my recollection the "north" has a YD as well. Thanks just a parent trying to figure out if I should keep my kids in the program. Like I said it's getting pretty crappy on the BBL side of things as far as dealing with the parents concerns and questions as well as tournament logistics (BBL didn't register our team for a tourney and scrambled last minute and provided a subpar alternate tourney) also canceling practices due to WSYL for teams not in WSYL cause I guess those teams don't matter and now not making up the practices but yet going to tourneys when the boys haven't practiced in 3 weeks. All to say we got ROCKED by some nationally competitive programs, just embarrassed!!!!

BBL is running into what Tri-State did multiple years ago. Too many teams and spread too thin. They have to cover the costs of the full time coaches and employees. Do they have some talented teams ? Yes. That 2025 team is very good. But it is a matter of time before kids head for the hills to other clubs in NJ. The wheels can fall off rather quickly. For us, it is time to find a different club.

This is right on point, it did not go well for Tri-State, especially when some of their top coaches left, I think that the SHP thing is the saving grace for the moment.. Also, many kids/parents do not want to be on the B team, so dangling the Elite team carrot only goes so far. If a kid is serious about playing in college, they are not going to be satisfied playing for BBL North, Shore or whatever other region BBL tries to conquer. United has always been successful because they are good at what they do and they play in the right level tournaments. Top kids at the shore play elsewhere, so they are not going to pull kids into United with the hopes of climbing the BBL ladder. The only time an "expansion" at the Shore was successful was when Tri State was handed the 2023 shore team, and they completely blew up that up within 2 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it normal for clubs to allow guest players late in the season?

Most of the time it is probably a club trying to get a look at a player outside of a tryout setting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard bbl is losing their youth director but trying not to say anything until after tryouts….

Sorry meant to be more specific in my first post. When you say youth director can I assume you mean the "central" youth director??????? To my recollection the "north" has a YD as well. Thanks just a parent trying to figure out if I should keep my kids in the program. Like I said it's getting pretty crappy on the BBL side of things as far as dealing with the parents concerns and questions as well as tournament logistics (BBL didn't register our team for a tourney and scrambled last minute and provided a subpar alternate tourney) also canceling practices due to WSYL for teams not in WSYL cause I guess those teams don't matter and now not making up the practices but yet going to tourneys when the boys haven't practiced in 3 weeks. All to say we got ROCKED by some nationally competitive programs, just embarrassed!!!!

BBL is running into what Tri-State did multiple years ago. Too many teams and spread too thin. They have to cover the costs of the full time coaches and employees. Do they have some talented teams ? Yes. That 2025 team is very good. But it is a matter of time before kids head for the hills to other clubs in NJ. The wheels can fall off rather quickly. For us, it is time to find a different club.

This is right on point, it did not go well for Tri-State, especially when some of their top coaches left, I think that the SHP thing is the saving grace for the moment.. Also, many kids/parents do not want to be on the B team, so dangling the Elite team carrot only goes so far. If a kid is serious about playing in college, they are not going to be satisfied playing for BBL North, Shore or whatever other region BBL tries to conquer. United has always been successful because they are good at what they do and they play in the right level tournaments. Top kids at the shore play elsewhere, so they are not going to pull kids into United with the hopes of climbing the BBL ladder. The only time an "expansion" at the Shore was successful was when Tri State was handed the 2023 shore team, and they completely blew up that up within 2 years.

I thought Mad Dog owned the Shore. What happened to that program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard bbl is losing their youth director but trying not to say anything until after tryouts….

Sorry meant to be more specific in my first post. When you say youth director can I assume you mean the "central" youth director??????? To my recollection the "north" has a YD as well. Thanks just a parent trying to figure out if I should keep my kids in the program. Like I said it's getting pretty crappy on the BBL side of things as far as dealing with the parents concerns and questions as well as tournament logistics (BBL didn't register our team for a tourney and scrambled last minute and provided a subpar alternate tourney) also canceling practices due to WSYL for teams not in WSYL cause I guess those teams don't matter and now not making up the practices but yet going to tourneys when the boys haven't practiced in 3 weeks. All to say we got ROCKED by some nationally competitive programs, just embarrassed!!!!

BBL is running into what Tri-State did multiple years ago. Too many teams and spread too thin. They have to cover the costs of the full time coaches and employees. Do they have some talented teams ? Yes. That 2025 team is very good. But it is a matter of time before kids head for the hills to other clubs in NJ. The wheels can fall off rather quickly. For us, it is time to find a different club.

This is right on point, it did not go well for Tri-State, especially when some of their top coaches left, I think that the SHP thing is the saving grace for the moment.. Also, many kids/parents do not want to be on the B team, so dangling the Elite team carrot only goes so far. If a kid is serious about playing in college, they are not going to be satisfied playing for BBL North, Shore or whatever other region BBL tries to conquer. United has always been successful because they are good at what they do and they play in the right level tournaments. Top kids at the shore play elsewhere, so they are not going to pull kids into United with the hopes of climbing the BBL ladder. The only time an "expansion" at the Shore was successful was when Tri State was handed the 2023 shore team, and they completely blew up that up within 2 years.

At this point the majority of kids who are playing on summer lax teams will never play in college and will never even try to play in college. There is nothing wrong with this. The idea behind expansion for a club like BBL is $$$. That is all. The BBL Norths, Team 91 Wests, etc, all contribute greatly to the profits of whoever owns these clubs. Its called scaling your business. While I am sure that they would love BBL North to turn into the greatest team in the history of lacrosse, they are most likely fine with it being just a team full of kids who are having fun, getting exercise, getting better (so they can contribute on their Town and HS teams) and playing some lax. There are a ton of tournaments where teams like this can compete. There are many teams out there that will get smoked by any half-decent Town team. Their parents money is just as green as that of the great players. Again, there are more kids playing summer lax that have no interest in college lacrosse than there are kids who are chasing a D1 scholarship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard bbl is losing their youth director but trying not to say anything until after tryouts….

Sorry meant to be more specific in my first post. When you say youth director can I assume you mean the "central" youth director??????? To my recollection the "north" has a YD as well. Thanks just a parent trying to figure out if I should keep my kids in the program. Like I said it's getting pretty crappy on the BBL side of things as far as dealing with the parents concerns and questions as well as tournament logistics (BBL didn't register our team for a tourney and scrambled last minute and provided a subpar alternate tourney) also canceling practices due to WSYL for teams not in WSYL cause I guess those teams don't matter and now not making up the practices but yet going to tourneys when the boys haven't practiced in 3 weeks. All to say we got ROCKED by some nationally competitive programs, just embarrassed!!!!

BBL is running into what Tri-State did multiple years ago. Too many teams and spread too thin. They have to cover the costs of the full time coaches and employees. Do they have some talented teams ? Yes. That 2025 team is very good. But it is a matter of time before kids head for the hills to other clubs in NJ. The wheels can fall off rather quickly. For us, it is time to find a different club.

This is right on point, it did not go well for Tri-State, especially when some of their top coaches left, I think that the SHP thing is the saving grace for the moment.. Also, many kids/parents do not want to be on the B team, so dangling the Elite team carrot only goes so far. If a kid is serious about playing in college, they are not going to be satisfied playing for BBL North, Shore or whatever other region BBL tries to conquer. United has always been successful because they are good at what they do and they play in the right level tournaments. Top kids at the shore play elsewhere, so they are not going to pull kids into United with the hopes of climbing the BBL ladder. The only time an "expansion" at the Shore was successful was when Tri State was handed the 2023 shore team, and they completely blew up that up within 2 years.

I thought Mad Dog owned the Shore. What happened to that program?

Same issues as every other club that starts to fall apart. Obviously 2025 team is very good, but last talented team was 2021's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard bbl is losing their youth director but trying not to say anything until after tryouts….

Sorry meant to be more specific in my first post. When you say youth director can I assume you mean the "central" youth director??????? To my recollection the "north" has a YD as well. Thanks just a parent trying to figure out if I should keep my kids in the program. Like I said it's getting pretty crappy on the BBL side of things as far as dealing with the parents concerns and questions as well as tournament logistics (BBL didn't register our team for a tourney and scrambled last minute and provided a subpar alternate tourney) also canceling practices due to WSYL for teams not in WSYL cause I guess those teams don't matter and now not making up the practices but yet going to tourneys when the boys haven't practiced in 3 weeks. All to say we got ROCKED by some nationally competitive programs, just embarrassed!!!!

BBL is running into what Tri-State did multiple years ago. Too many teams and spread too thin. They have to cover the costs of the full time coaches and employees. Do they have some talented teams ? Yes. That 2025 team is very good. But it is a matter of time before kids head for the hills to other clubs in NJ. The wheels can fall off rather quickly. For us, it is time to find a different club.

This is right on point, it did not go well for Tri-State, especially when some of their top coaches left, I think that the SHP thing is the saving grace for the moment.. Also, many kids/parents do not want to be on the B team, so dangling the Elite team carrot only goes so far. If a kid is serious about playing in college, they are not going to be satisfied playing for BBL North, Shore or whatever other region BBL tries to conquer. United has always been successful because they are good at what they do and they play in the right level tournaments. Top kids at the shore play elsewhere, so they are not going to pull kids into United with the hopes of climbing the BBL ladder. The only time an "expansion" at the Shore was successful was when Tri State was handed the 2023 shore team, and they completely blew up that up within 2 years.

At this point the majority of kids who are playing on summer lax teams will never play in college and will never even try to play in college. There is nothing wrong with this. The idea behind expansion for a club like BBL is $$$. That is all. The BBL Norths, Team 91 Wests, etc, all contribute greatly to the profits of whoever owns these clubs. Its called scaling your business. While I am sure that they would love BBL North to turn into the greatest team in the history of lacrosse, they are most likely fine with it being just a team full of kids who are having fun, getting exercise, getting better (so they can contribute on their Town and HS teams) and playing some lax. There are a ton of tournaments where teams like this can compete. There are many teams out there that will get smoked by any half-decent Town team. Their parents money is just as green as that of the great players. Again, there are more kids playing summer lax that have no interest in college lacrosse than there are kids who are chasing a D1 scholarship.

preach! this is the most realistic, spot on post I've seen on BOTC. kudos. for real.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard bbl is losing their youth director but trying not to say anything until after tryouts….

Sorry meant to be more specific in my first post. When you say youth director can I assume you mean the "central" youth director??????? To my recollection the "north" has a YD as well. Thanks just a parent trying to figure out if I should keep my kids in the program. Like I said it's getting pretty crappy on the BBL side of things as far as dealing with the parents concerns and questions as well as tournament logistics (BBL didn't register our team for a tourney and scrambled last minute and provided a subpar alternate tourney) also canceling practices due to WSYL for teams not in WSYL cause I guess those teams don't matter and now not making up the practices but yet going to tourneys when the boys haven't practiced in 3 weeks. All to say we got ROCKED by some nationally competitive programs, just embarrassed!!!!

BBL is running into what Tri-State did multiple years ago. Too many teams and spread too thin. They have to cover the costs of the full time coaches and employees. Do they have some talented teams ? Yes. That 2025 team is very good. But it is a matter of time before kids head for the hills to other clubs in NJ. The wheels can fall off rather quickly. For us, it is time to find a different club.

This is right on point, it did not go well for Tri-State, especially when some of their top coaches left, I think that the SHP thing is the saving grace for the moment.. Also, many kids/parents do not want to be on the B team, so dangling the Elite team carrot only goes so far. If a kid is serious about playing in college, they are not going to be satisfied playing for BBL North, Shore or whatever other region BBL tries to conquer. United has always been successful because they are good at what they do and they play in the right level tournaments. Top kids at the shore play elsewhere, so they are not going to pull kids into United with the hopes of climbing the BBL ladder. The only time an "expansion" at the Shore was successful was when Tri State was handed the 2023 shore team, and they completely blew up that up within 2 years.

At this point the majority of kids who are playing on summer lax teams will never play in college and will never even try to play in college. There is nothing wrong with this. The idea behind expansion for a club like BBL is $$$. That is all. The BBL Norths, Team 91 Wests, etc, all contribute greatly to the profits of whoever owns these clubs. Its called scaling your business. While I am sure that they would love BBL North to turn into the greatest team in the history of lacrosse, they are most likely fine with it being just a team full of kids who are having fun, getting exercise, getting better (so they can contribute on their Town and HS teams) and playing some lax. There are a ton of tournaments where teams like this can compete. There are many teams out there that will get smoked by any half-decent Town team. Their parents money is just as green as that of the great players. Again, there are more kids playing summer lax that have no interest in college lacrosse than there are kids who are chasing a D1 scholarship.

I do not disagree, some kids just play, with no future agenda. However, if a club scales and cannot manage the day-to-day, the parents will get frustrated and head elsewhere. The real issue is for the kid that wants to play, at whatever level, in college. If the club scales, is mismanaged and the experience is subpar, there is much less flexibility to move in high school. So if BBL is mismanaging things now, according to some of the posts on this thread, then what are they going to do as they grow. Despite every intention, BBL is not 91 LI or LI Express where the parents will donate a vital organ to be on the top teams. Outside of the success at the WSYL, BBL is just another NJ club.

My son went to UA tryouts yesterday in Hillsborough. Most of the club teams regularly discussed here were there. It's nice to watch those players all on the same field. You can see the talent in this state. Interested to hear your take.

[quote=Anonymous]My son went to UA tryouts yesterday in Hillsborough. Most of the club teams regularly discussed here were there. It's nice to watch those players all on the same field. You can see the talent in this state. Interested to hear your take.[/quote

It would be even better if the best players actually went to the UA tryouts, or the National tryouts for that matter, and made the team. Having certain clubs run the teams hurts the final product, and the teams do not compete well. I would estimate that at least 10-20 of the top players in NJ do not show up at either tryout due to politics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son went to UA tryouts yesterday in Hillsborough. Most of the club teams regularly discussed here were there. It's nice to watch those players all on the same field. You can see the talent in this state. Interested to hear your take.

The reality is that certain clubs control the roster selection for each event. It is not a true tryout. Just be mindful of that when you pay/sign up. They already decide ahead of time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Interesting point brought up in another NJ forum. Thought it would be better discussion that Leading Edge vs BBL.

High School to Club relationship…what high schools are repped heavily on which clubs?[/quote

Top clubs- HS teams, in general:

Tri-State: Seton Hall Prep
Bluestar: Westfield, Pingry, Shawnee, Rumson, Christian Brothers
Leading Edge: Various good players but no real affiliation, seems like a shift toward shore like Wall lately.
BBL: All north jersey top youth programs
Riot: Bergen Catholic & Don Bosco
SouthShore: St.Augustine, etc
Patriot: Delbarton, sort of

There’s more but that’s the majors.

LE has number of Delbarton kids

The first 3 are accurate with Bluestar, obvious coaching connection, but Rumson/CBA is more of a one-off from the Tri State 2023 shore team.

For LE once you get into 8th grade an above don't they generally know who they want?
Unless a kid is total "lights out" at a tryout? Just wondering if it is worth it for a kid to go to a "call-back".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For LE once you get into 8th grade an above don't they generally know who they want?
Unless a kid is total "lights out" at a tryout? Just wondering if it is worth it for a kid to go to a "call-back".

I would say if you made the call back that there is still a chance that your son has a shot at making the team. I don’t think they would waste their own time calling back someone that has been written off already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For LE once you get into 8th grade an above don't they generally know who they want?
Unless a kid is total "lights out" at a tryout? Just wondering if it is worth it for a kid to go to a "call-back".

With no context on how good your son is, if he wants to play/compete at that level then by all means attend the tryout. Their teams haven’t been dominating so I would imagine there are some spots up for grabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For LE once you get into 8th grade an above don't they generally know who they want?
Unless a kid is total "lights out" at a tryout? Just wondering if it is worth it for a kid to go to a "call-back".

For the most part, the call-back is a scam, they already know who they are taking, just a way to make a few more bucks. Unfortunately, you don't figure this out until you attend the call-back tryout which is a total joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For LE once you get into 8th grade an above don't they generally know who they want?
Unless a kid is total "lights out" at a tryout? Just wondering if it is worth it for a kid to go to a "call-back".

I would say if you made the call back that there is still a chance that your son has a shot at making the team. I don’t think they would waste their own time calling back someone that has been written off already.

Unfortunately, this is not the case for LE, they hit you for another tryout fee for the call-back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For LE once you get into 8th grade an above don't they generally know who they want?
Unless a kid is total "lights out" at a tryout? Just wondering if it is worth it for a kid to go to a "call-back".

I would say if you made the call back that there is still a chance that your son has a shot at making the team. I don’t think they would waste their own time calling back someone that has been written off already.

Unfortunately, this is not the case for LE, they hit you for another tryout fee for the call-back

No they don't

BBL's AH working the phones and bashing other clubs in text and while on the phone. Threatening players and parents. If you are that great of a program why so unprofessional?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For LE once you get into 8th grade an above don't they generally know who they want?
Unless a kid is total "lights out" at a tryout? Just wondering if it is worth it for a kid to go to a "call-back".

I would say if you made the call back that there is still a chance that your son has a shot at making the team. I don’t think they would waste their own time calling back someone that has been written off already.

Unfortunately, this is not the case for LE, they hit you for another tryout fee for the call-back

No they don't

They did in the past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL's AH working the phones and bashing other clubs in text and while on the phone. Threatening players and parents. If you are that great of a program why so unprofessional?

Threatening players and parents is the number one sign to run as fast as you can

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL's AH working the phones and bashing other clubs in text and while on the phone. Threatening players and parents. If you are that great of a program why so unprofessional?

Threatening players and parents is the number one sign to run as fast as you can

Sounds like your kid is leaving BBL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL's AH working the phones and bashing other clubs in text and while on the phone. Threatening players and parents. If you are that great of a program why so unprofessional?

Threatening players and parents is the number one sign to run as fast as you can

Sounds like your kid is leaving BBL

Its a repeat of tri state’s downfall. BBL announced fielding two national teams at each age level. Even if you make BBL National, you could still end up on the B Team!!!

Agree, not double fee. They let people straight through who had to miss the first so only one fee.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL's AH working the phones and bashing other clubs in text and while on the phone. Threatening players and parents. If you are that great of a program why so unprofessional?

Threatening players and parents is the number one sign to run as fast as you can

Sounds like your kid is leaving BBL

My kid was never there, but probably more about geography and traveling for practice. But if a director is threatening parents and players, that is not a good sign. You need to have a thick skin in this business, kids jump ship all of the time for many reasons, especially in eighth grade. However, if kids are leaving because the club is mismanaged, then it's time to reevaluate your priorities.

AH is all about the money grab and not as much about running a successful program in terms of results and recruitment offers. Eventually it will bite him in the butt and this will be Tri-State all over again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL's AH working the phones and bashing other clubs in text and while on the phone. Threatening players and parents. If you are that great of a program why so unprofessional?

Threatening players and parents is the number one sign to run as fast as you can

Sounds like your kid is leaving BBL

My kid was never there, but probably more about geography and traveling for practice. But if a director is threatening parents and players, that is not a good sign. You need to have a thick skin in this business, kids jump ship all of the time for many reasons, especially in eighth grade. However, if kids are leaving because the club is mismanaged, then it's time to reevaluate your priorities.

Sounds more like someone who has a beef with BBL. Maybe they should address the club rather than bash them as "anonymous" on BOTC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL's AH working the phones and bashing other clubs in text and while on the phone. Threatening players and parents. If you are that great of a program why so unprofessional?

Threatening players and parents is the number one sign to run as fast as you can

Sounds like your kid is leaving BBL

Its a repeat of tri state’s downfall. BBL announced fielding two national teams at each age level. Even if you make BBL National, you could still end up on the B Team!!!

He has called a number of the United 2026 parents telling them they will be on their top team. Sounds like a lot of promises.

Hey not my post but I am 100% for telling it like it is on the interwebs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can see how BBL could end up in a bad spot if AH isn't careful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are a BBL family with multiple kids in the program. If and when the time comes we may have to jump to another program!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get several emails, phone calls, and in person aggressive recruiting from some of the top clubs in the area. Its not an "IF" or "CAN" my kids play but about being on a LC that "PLAYS" lacrosse and is successful at it!!!!!!!!!!!!! The WSYL showing let me in on a little secret that "HERO" ball is in the building and BBL is A-OK with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL's AH working the phones and bashing other clubs in text and while on the phone. Threatening players and parents. If you are that great of a program why so unprofessional?

Threatening players and parents is the number one sign to run as fast as you can

Sounds like your kid is leaving BBL

Its a repeat of tri state’s downfall. BBL announced fielding two national teams at each age level. Even if you make BBL National, you could still end up on the B Team!!!

He has called a number of the United 2026 parents telling them they will be on their top team. Sounds like a lot of promises.

The old, you’re an A player but now we’ll make AA bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AH is all about the money grab and not as much about running a successful program in terms of results and recruitment offers. Eventually it will bite him in the butt and this will be Tri-State all over again.

You're totally off mark with this. Sounds like you really have a beef with BBL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL's AH working the phones and bashing other clubs in text and while on the phone. Threatening players and parents. If you are that great of a program why so unprofessional?

Threatening players and parents is the number one sign to run as fast as you can

Sounds like your kid is leaving BBL

My kid was never there, but probably more about geography and traveling for practice. But if a director is threatening parents and players, that is not a good sign. You need to have a thick skin in this business, kids jump ship all of the time for many reasons, especially in eighth grade. However, if kids are leaving because the club is mismanaged, then it's time to reevaluate your priorities.

Sounds more like someone who has a beef with BBL. Maybe they should address the club rather than bash them as "anonymous" on BOTC.

Sounds like your wrong, again...no love, or detest for BBL, my son never played for them, nor would we travel the distance for the practices, but I I appreciate the "anonymous" calling out the "anonymous"...very brave

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree, not double fee. They let people straight through who had to miss the first so only one fee.

Got it, I stand corrected

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AH is all about the money grab and not as much about running a successful program in terms of results and recruitment offers. Eventually it will bite him in the butt and this will be Tri-State all over again.

You're totally off mark with this. Sounds like you really have a beef with BBL

Not a BBL parent, nor do I know AH, but I think that it unfair to label it a money grab. Every club is out to make money, the question is whether you are satisfied with the value you get for the money. There have been much worse examples in the lacrosse world, including NJ, where a club took money and did not provide the promised program. Truth is, all of us on this forum probably overpay for lacrosse, but do so willingly for our kids, and we are all probably a little guilty of being charmed by some club director telling us how great our kid is...lets just enjoy the time watching our kids play.

Actually, no. Just calling it as I see it. Let’s see how it all pans out.

I have multiple kids in the program and i don’t find that at all. I’m fast, all of My kids have steadily improved in their skills. Why are they getting bashed all of a sudden.

On a unrelated note, why does BOC detest using the word detest and use the word detest in its place, which is grammatically incorrect when used as a noun. The word detest is a a verb, as in “I detest grammatical errors!” You can’t say “I have no love or detest for BBL.” That would be the noun form, which doesn’t exist. Maybe use the word animosity instead? That would make more sense. As in, “I have no love or animosity for BBL.”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL's AH working the phones and bashing other clubs in text and while on the phone. Threatening players and parents. If you are that great of a program why so unprofessional?

Threatening players and parents is the number one sign to run as fast as you can

Sounds like your kid is leaving BBL

My kid was never there, but probably more about geography and traveling for practice. But if a director is threatening parents and players, that is not a good sign. You need to have a thick skin in this business, kids jump ship all of the time for many reasons, especially in eighth grade. However, if kids are leaving because the club is mismanaged, then it's time to reevaluate your priorities.

Sounds more like someone who has a beef with BBL. Maybe they should address the club rather than bash them as "anonymous" on BOTC.

Sounds like your wrong, again...no love, or detest for BBL, my son never played for them, nor would we travel the distance for the practices, but I I appreciate the "anonymous" calling out the "anonymous"...very brave

As an "anonymous" I'm not the one bashing a club 😂

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey not my post but I am 100% for telling it like it is on the interwebs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can see how BBL could end up in a bad spot if AH isn't careful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are a BBL family with multiple kids in the program. If and when the time comes we may have to jump to another program!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get several emails, phone calls, and in person aggressive recruiting from some of the top clubs in the area. Its not an "IF" or "CAN" my kids play but about being on a LC that "PLAYS" lacrosse and is successful at it!!!!!!!!!!!!! The WSYL showing let me in on a little secret that "HERO" ball is in the building and BBL is A-OK with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just wondering who the "HERO" ball is? The game I watched on ESPN was an exceptional group of very talented 2025s representing NJ. BBL looks like they "play" and are successful. What more could you want for your kid's team to be?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL's AH working the phones and bashing other clubs in text and while on the phone. Threatening players and parents. If you are that great of a program why so unprofessional?

Threatening players and parents is the number one sign to run as fast as you can

Then stay away from Leading Edge. Lots of dishonesty and threatening language. And their teams are no longer elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey not my post but I am 100% for telling it like it is on the interwebs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can see how BBL could end up in a bad spot if AH isn't careful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are a BBL family with multiple kids in the program. If and when the time comes we may have to jump to another program!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get several emails, phone calls, and in person aggressive recruiting from some of the top clubs in the area. Its not an "IF" or "CAN" my kids play but about being on a LC that "PLAYS" lacrosse and is successful at it!!!!!!!!!!!!! The WSYL showing let me in on a little secret that "HERO" ball is in the building and BBL is A-OK with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just wondering who the "HERO" ball is? The game I watched on ESPN was an exceptional group of very talented 2025s representing NJ. BBL looks like they "play" and are successful. What more could you want for your kid's team to be?

Well then I guess Team 91 and I figured it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then again I didn't get my education from playing NJ ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe that's where the discrepancies lie!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey not my post but I am 100% for telling it like it is on the interwebs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can see how BBL could end up in a bad spot if AH isn't careful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are a BBL family with multiple kids in the program. If and when the time comes we may have to jump to another program!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get several emails, phone calls, and in person aggressive recruiting from some of the top clubs in the area. Its not an "IF" or "CAN" my kids play but about being on a LC that "PLAYS" lacrosse and is successful at it!!!!!!!!!!!!! The WSYL showing let me in on a little secret that "HERO" ball is in the building and BBL is A-OK with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just wondering who the "HERO" ball is? The game I watched on ESPN was an exceptional group of very talented 2025s representing NJ. BBL looks like they "play" and are successful. What more could you want for your kid's team to be?

Oh and do yourself a favor either read the box scores or watch all the games they played!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again BBL is a good club, I just think there are some things the families and club need to hash out. Seeing that we live in an age where tech promotes comm this is one of those mediums for the convo!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AH is all about the money grab and not as much about running a successful program in terms of results and recruitment offers. Eventually it will bite him in the butt and this will be Tri-State all over again.

You're totally off mark with this. Sounds like you really have a beef with BBL

Not a BBL parent, nor do I know AH, but I think that it unfair to label it a money grab. Every club is out to make money, the question is whether you are satisfied with the value you get for the money. There have been much worse examples in the lacrosse world, including NJ, where a club took money and did not provide the promised program. Truth is, all of us on this forum probably overpay for lacrosse, but do so willingly for our kids, and we are all probably a little guilty of being charmed by some club director telling us how great our kid is...lets just enjoy the time watching our kids play.

Perfectly stated!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey not my post but I am 100% for telling it like it is on the interwebs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can see how BBL could end up in a bad spot if AH isn't careful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are a BBL family with multiple kids in the program. If and when the time comes we may have to jump to another program!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get several emails, phone calls, and in person aggressive recruiting from some of the top clubs in the area. Its not an "IF" or "CAN" my kids play but about being on a LC that "PLAYS" lacrosse and is successful at it!!!!!!!!!!!!! The WSYL showing let me in on a little secret that "HERO" ball is in the building and BBL is A-OK with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just wondering who the "HERO" ball is? The game I watched on ESPN was an exceptional group of very talented 2025s representing NJ. BBL looks like they "play" and are successful. What more could you want for your kid's team to be?

Well then I guess Team 91 and I figured it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then again I didn't get my education from playing NJ ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe that's where the discrepancies lie!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone's salty, or their kid didn't get to play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL's AH working the phones and bashing other clubs in text and while on the phone. Threatening players and parents. If you are that great of a program why so unprofessional?

Threatening players and parents is the number one sign to run as fast as you can

Then stay away from Leading Edge. Lots of dishonesty and threatening language. And their teams are no longer elite.

*checks list of commits* sorry your son got cut

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL's AH working the phones and bashing other clubs in text and while on the phone. Threatening players and parents. If you are that great of a program why so unprofessional?

Threatening players and parents is the number one sign to run as fast as you can

Then stay away from Leading Edge. Lots of dishonesty and threatening language. And their teams are no longer elite.

*checks list of commits* sorry your son got cut

* watches the 2023s & 2024s play, which one of my kids is on * Not elite. Them’s facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AH is all about the money grab and not as much about running a successful program in terms of results and recruitment offers. Eventually it will bite him in the butt and this will be Tri-State all over again.

You're totally off mark with this. Sounds like you really have a beef with BBL

Not a BBL parent, nor do I know AH, but I think that it unfair to label it a money grab. Every club is out to make money, the question is whether you are satisfied with the value you get for the money. There have been much worse examples in the lacrosse world, including NJ, where a club took money and did not provide the promised program. Truth is, all of us on this forum probably overpay for lacrosse, but do so willingly for our kids, and we are all probably a little guilty of being charmed by some club director telling us how great our kid is...lets just enjoy the time watching our kids play.

Perfectly stated!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just wondering, what's up with the heavy use of exclamation marks? Do you yell a lot in real life? .. it's a little distracting and I *detest* it (/s) and you don't really need it to draw attention to your post, as you seem to have decent takes and opinions.

"sorry your son got cut" is perhaps the laziest comment a person could come up with. Total DB (and I aint talking about DelBarton). Seriously, there is no pressure here. just take some time and come up with a better contribution to the conversation. trust me, we'll wait for it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL's AH working the phones and bashing other clubs in text and while on the phone. Threatening players and parents. If you are that great of a program why so unprofessional?

Threatening players and parents is the number one sign to run as fast as you can

Then stay away from Leading Edge. Lots of dishonesty and threatening language. And their teams are no longer elite.

*checks list of commits* sorry your son got cut

* watches the 2023s & 2024s play, which one of my kids is on * Not elite. Them’s facts.

You can't argue their past success with their commits. Fine. But that's the past, this is now. And now is NLF championship this weekend. Fact is it's gonna be brutal for their 23s and 24s. Don't shoot the messenger. Thems just facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey not my post but I am 100% for telling it like it is on the interwebs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can see how BBL could end up in a bad spot if AH isn't careful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are a BBL family with multiple kids in the program. If and when the time comes we may have to jump to another program!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get several emails, phone calls, and in person aggressive recruiting from some of the top clubs in the area. Its not an "IF" or "CAN" my kids play but about being on a LC that "PLAYS" lacrosse and is successful at it!!!!!!!!!!!!! The WSYL showing let me in on a little secret that "HERO" ball is in the building and BBL is A-OK with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just wondering who the "HERO" ball is? The game I watched on ESPN was an exceptional group of very talented 2025s representing NJ. BBL looks like they "play" and are successful. What more could you want for your kid's team to be?

Well then I guess Team 91 and I figured it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then again I didn't get my education from playing NJ ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe that's where the discrepancies lie!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone's salty, or their kid didn't get to play

Exclamation much?

Do you need an explanation on exclamation?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"sorry your son got cut" is perhaps the laziest comment a person could come up with. Total DB (and I aint talking about DelBarton). Seriously, there is no pressure here. just take some time and come up with a better contribution to the conversation. trust me, we'll wait for it.

Just so I know DB isn't referencing Don Bosco?????????????????????????????????????? Cause they ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hey not my post but I am 100% for telling it like it is on the interwebs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can see how BBL could end up in a bad spot if AH isn't careful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are a BBL family with multiple kids in the program. If and when the time comes we may have to jump to another program!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get several emails, phone calls, and in person aggressive recruiting from some of the top clubs in the area. Its not an "IF" or "CAN" my kids play but about being on a LC that "PLAYS" lacrosse and is successful at it!!!!!!!!!!!!! The WSYL showing let me in on a little secret that "HERO" ball is in the building and BBL is A-OK with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just wondering who the "HERO" ball is? The game I watched on ESPN was an exceptional group of very talented 2025s representing NJ. BBL looks like they "play" and are successful. What more could you want for your kid's team to be?

Well then I guess Team 91 and I figured it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then again I didn't get my education from playing NJ ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe that's where the discrepancies lie!!!!!!!!!!!

Well of course he is, BBL took it on the chin from 91. I would think if your child plays for BBL you to would want more ball distribution as well, that is how the game is most successfully played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AH is all about the money grab and not as much about running a successful program in terms of results and recruitment offers. Eventually it will bite him in the butt and this will be Tri-State all over again.

You're totally off mark with this. Sounds like you really have a beef with BBL

Not a BBL parent, nor do I know AH, but I think that it unfair to label it a money grab. Every club is out to make money, the question is whether you are satisfied with the value you get for the money. There have been much worse examples in the lacrosse world, including NJ, where a club took money and did not provide the promised program. Truth is, all of us on this forum probably overpay for lacrosse, but do so willingly for our kids, and we are all probably a little guilty of being charmed by some club director telling us how great our kid is...lets just enjoy the time watching our kids play.

Perfectly stated!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just wondering, what's up with the heavy use of exclamation marks? Do you yell a lot in real life? .. it's a little distracting and I *detest* it (/s) and you don't really need it to draw attention to your post, as you seem to have decent takes and opinions.

Agreed, it is a bit distracting from what are pretty good posts...but equally as annoying is the droning on the word detest, let it go

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"sorry your son got cut" is perhaps the laziest comment a person could come up with. Total DB (and I aint talking about DelBarton). Seriously, there is no pressure here. just take some time and come up with a better contribution to the conversation. trust me, we'll wait for it.

^^

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey not my post but I am 100% for telling it like it is on the interwebs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can see how BBL could end up in a bad spot if AH isn't careful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are a BBL family with multiple kids in the program. If and when the time comes we may have to jump to another program!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get several emails, phone calls, and in person aggressive recruiting from some of the top clubs in the area. Its not an "IF" or "CAN" my kids play but about being on a LC that "PLAYS" lacrosse and is successful at it!!!!!!!!!!!!! The WSYL showing let me in on a little secret that "HERO" ball is in the building and BBL is A-OK with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just wondering who the "HERO" ball is? The game I watched on ESPN was an exceptional group of very talented 2025s representing NJ. BBL looks like they "play" and are successful. What more could you want for your kid's team to be?

Well then I guess Team 91 and I figured it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then again I didn't get my education from playing NJ ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe that's where the discrepancies lie!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone's salty, or their kid didn't get to play

Exclamation much?

LOL this is the first time in my internet life span that a grammar [ChillLaxin] has complained about there being to much of it. Got to love it baby.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL's AH working the phones and bashing other clubs in text and while on the phone. Threatening players and parents. If you are that great of a program why so unprofessional?

Threatening players and parents is the number one sign to run as fast as you can

Then stay away from Leading Edge. Lots of dishonesty and threatening language. And their teams are no longer elite.

*checks list of commits* sorry your son got cut

* watches the 2023s & 2024s play, which one of my kids is on * Not elite. Them’s facts.

You can't argue their past success with their commits. Fine. But that's the past, this is now. And now is NLF championship this weekend. Fact is it's gonna be brutal for their 23s and 24s. Don't shoot the messenger. Thems just facts.

Agree. LE is a poor representative for NJ talent
in that tourney. Gives our state a bad rap. Unlike WYSL.

You can't argue their past success with their commits. Fine. But that's the past, this is now. And now is NLF championship this weekend. Fact is it's gonna be brutal for their 23s and 24s. Don't shoot the messenger. Thems just facts.[/quote]

Agree. LE is a poor representative for NJ talent
in that tourney. Gives our state a bad rap. Unlike WYSL.[/quote]

I think that too many people equate the success of one program as setting the standard for the entire state. NY and MD have a lot of really good teams, but the Hawks do not make MD lacrosse successful on its own, nor does 91 make NY lacrosse successful on its own, they are just parts of the puzzle. While I could care less about a team representing NJ well, because it doesn't matter, having a bunch of different clubs from NJ out there competing well is the best gauge of NJ talent. Some NJ club teams are out there putting up some impressive wins this year, that is what counts as far as the success of NJ as a whole.

How many kids were at 2026 LE call back?
Do you think they will make big changes in their team again?

[

Sounds more like someone who has a beef with BBL. Maybe they should address the club rather than bash them as "anonymous" on BOTC.[/quote]

Sounds like your wrong, again...no love, or detest for BBL, my son never played for them, nor would we travel the distance for the practices, but I I appreciate the "anonymous" calling out the "anonymous"...very brave[/quote]

As an "anonymous" I'm not the one bashing a club 😂[/quote]

Why is this bashing a club if it is true??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many kids were at 2026 LE call back?
Do you think they will make big changes in their team again?

Yes they will. This year and next.

Not sure if it's true but was told BBL 2025 coaches went to LE tryout and wrote down BBL players that were there. Was also told they are offering free tuition to the top players off LE if they will move to BBL and free tuition to their top players to keep them at BBL.

Has travel lacrosse really gotten to this point? I understand hardships. Please tell me these are hardships and they aren't trying to buy players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure if it's true but was told BBL 2025 coaches went to LE tryout and wrote down BBL players that were there. Was also told they are offering free tuition to the top players off LE if they will move to BBL and free tuition to their top players to keep them at BBL.

Has travel lacrosse really gotten to this point? I understand hardships. Please tell me these are hardships and they aren't trying to buy players.

Cannot speak to what was said or not said, but this seems like a violation of NCAA amateur policy. I don’t know the rules explicitly so keyword here is “seems”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure if it's true but was told BBL 2025 coaches went to LE tryout and wrote down BBL players that were there. Was also told they are offering free tuition to the top players off LE if they will move to BBL and free tuition to their top players to keep them at BBL.

Has travel lacrosse really gotten to this point? I understand hardships. Please tell me these are hardships and they aren't trying to buy players.

Not for nothing, shouldn’t those coaches have better things to do? Showing up to a different clubs tryout to see who shows up screams that you have no life. Come on man!!!!!! These kids are 13 and 14 years old!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure if it's true but was told BBL 2025 coaches went to LE tryout and wrote down BBL players that were there. Was also told they are offering free tuition to the top players off LE if they will move to BBL and free tuition to their top players to keep them at BBL.

Has travel lacrosse really gotten to this point? I understand hardships. Please tell me these are hardships and they aren't trying to buy players.

Cannot speak to what was said or not said, but this seems like a violation of NCAA amateur policy. I don’t know the rules explicitly so keyword here is “seems”

Don't believe everything you hear on the interwebs. Think about it for a sec.. top players from LE??? free tution for them? have you seen them play? They are barely competitive. Think man.. think.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure if it's true but was told BBL 2025 coaches went to LE tryout and wrote down BBL players that were there. Was also told they are offering free tuition to the top players off LE if they will move to BBL and free tuition to their top players to keep them at BBL.

Has travel lacrosse really gotten to this point? I understand hardships. Please tell me these are hardships and they aren't trying to buy players.

Cannot speak to what was said or not said, but this seems like a violation of NCAA amateur policy. I don’t know the rules explicitly so keyword here is “seems”

Don't believe everything you hear on the interwebs. Think about it for a sec.. top players from LE??? free tution for them? have you seen them play? They are barely competitive. Think man.. think.

Truth

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure if it's true but was told BBL 2025 coaches went to LE tryout and wrote down BBL players that were there. Was also told they are offering free tuition to the top players off LE if they will move to BBL and free tuition to their top players to keep them at BBL.

Has travel lacrosse really gotten to this point? I understand hardships. Please tell me these are hardships and they aren't trying to buy players.

Cannot speak to what was said or not said, but this seems like a violation of NCAA amateur policy. I don’t know the rules explicitly so keyword here is “seems”

Don't believe everything you hear on the interwebs. Think about it for a sec.. top players from LE??? free tution for them? have you seen them play? They are barely competitive. Think man.. think.

Exactly, don't believe everything you hear, unless it's said to you. That coach that was at the callbacks for LE, also trains (private) a lot of LE players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure if it's true but was told BBL 2025 coaches went to LE tryout and wrote down BBL players that were there. Was also told they are offering free tuition to the top players off LE if they will move to BBL and free tuition to their top players to keep them at BBL.

Has travel lacrosse really gotten to this point? I understand hardships. Please tell me these are hardships and they aren't trying to buy players.

Cannot speak to what was said or not said, but this seems like a violation of NCAA amateur policy. I don’t know the rules explicitly so keyword here is “seems”

Don't believe everything you hear on the interwebs. Think about it for a sec.. top players from LE??? free tution for them? have you seen them play? They are barely competitive. Think man.. think.

Exactly, don't believe everything you hear, unless it's said to you. That coach that was at the callbacks for LE, also trains (private) a lot of LE players

Other than hardships, this seems a bit suspect considering that these clubs survive off of tuition, its not like they can make it up on advertising and sponsorship deals. However, if things have gotten this desperate, I am glad that my son is on the older side of high school and past all of this nonsense.

I'm going to say this there aren't truths or non-truths there's somewhere in between and that's the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I can 100% believe clubs are "hooking" players up. It has happened to my kids not on BBL though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm going to say this there aren't truths or non-truths there's somewhere in between and that's the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I can 100% believe clubs are "hooking" players up. It has happened to my kids not on BBL though.

Wow! Your kids (how many?) were "hooked up"? They're that good huh. Must be nice saving tens of thousands in club fees. /s

Whoever on here got the scoop that Tyler Russell was out from BBL could not have been more wrong. Not only is he not leaving, looks like he got a promotion to oversee national program as well. BBL sent out email this afternoon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure if it's true but was told BBL 2025 coaches went to LE tryout and wrote down BBL players that were there. Was also told they are offering free tuition to the top players off LE if they will move to BBL and free tuition to their top players to keep them at BBL.

Has travel lacrosse really gotten to this point? I understand hardships. Please tell me these are hardships and they aren't trying to buy players.

Cannot speak to what was said or not said, but this seems like a violation of NCAA amateur policy. I don’t know the rules explicitly so keyword here is “seems”

Don't believe everything you hear on the interwebs. Think about it for a sec.. top players from LE??? free tution for them? have you seen them play? They are barely competitive. Think man.. think.

Exactly, don't believe everything you hear, unless it's said to you. That coach that was at the callbacks for LE, also trains (private) a lot of LE players

That guy trains nobody. Let's be honest. It also doesn't make it less weird that he showed up to a competitor clubs tryout.

What coach was there? I agree and don’t believe bbl would do that. They have top ranked team through the older grades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What coach was there? I agree and don’t believe bbl would do that. They have top ranked team through the older grades.

Top ranked teams through the older grades??... 2025s are only top 10 team. Teams are ranked pretty well, but lets not go overboard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever on here got the scoop that Tyler Russell was out from BBL could not have been more wrong. Not only is he not leaving, looks like he got a promotion to oversee national program as well. BBL sent out email this afternoon.

I knew that was false when I read that. Great job to TR

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm going to say this there aren't truths or non-truths there's somewhere in between and that's the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I can 100% believe clubs are "hooking" players up. It has happened to my kids not on BBL though.

Wow! Your kids (how many?) were "hooked up"? They're that good huh. Must be nice saving tens of thousands in club fees. /s

My man you have some reading comprehension issues!!!!!!!! How many kids??????? Bro stop jocking me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lax for the kids cost me approx $30k a year. Buddy money ain't a thing to me BUT and get this cause it's the crux of what I've been conveying, "it's about being on the right team and playing a style of lacrosse my kids will potentially play at the D1 level"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever on here got the scoop that Tyler Russell was out from BBL could not have been more wrong. Not only is he not leaving, looks like he got a promotion to oversee national program as well. BBL sent out email this afternoon.

I thought the same thing when I read that email, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gotta take the interwebs with a grain of salt!! Thats the only thing I'm salty about, YEAH BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boys 2025 Rankings

Last Updated: Jul 15, 2021

1 Team 91 Maryland Fire (2025)

2 Laxachusetts Black (2025)

3 3d New England Red (2025)

4 Team 91 LI Shock (2025)

5 Eclipse Towers (2025)

6 Madlax Nationals (2025)

7 BBL Elite Black (2025)

8 Annapolis Hawks Green (2025)

9 Big 4 HHH (2025)

10 Next Level Blue (2025)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Boys 2025 Rankings

Last Updated: Jul 15, 2021

1 Team 91 Maryland Fire (2025)

2 Laxachusetts Black (2025)

3 3d New England Red (2025)

4 Team 91 LI Shock (2025)

5 Eclipse Towers (2025)

6 Madlax Nationals (2025)

7 BBL Elite Black (2025)

8 Annapolis Hawks Green (2025)

9 Big 4 HHH (2025)

10 Next Level Blue (2025)

Calm down with this ranking nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Boys 2025 Rankings

Last Updated: Jul 15, 2021

1 Team 91 Maryland Fire (2025)

2 Laxachusetts Black (2025)

3 3d New England Red (2025)

4 Team 91 LI Shock (2025)

5 Eclipse Towers (2025)

6 Madlax Nationals (2025)

7 BBL Elite Black (2025)

8 Annapolis Hawks Green (2025)

9 Big 4 HHH (2025)

10 Next Level Blue (2025)

You're not taking these rankings seriously are you? if so, you need to get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Boys 2025 Rankings

Last Updated: Jul 15, 2021

1 Team 91 Maryland Fire (2025)

2 Laxachusetts Black (2025)

3 3d New England Red (2025)

4 Team 91 LI Shock (2025)

5 Eclipse Towers (2025)

6 Madlax Nationals (2025)

7 BBL Elite Black (2025)

8 Annapolis Hawks Green (2025)

9 Big 4 HHH (2025)

10 Next Level Blue (2025)

You're not taking these rankings seriously are you? if so, you need to get a life.

🤣😂 Salty 😂🤣

I like the rankings. Not everyone can do a TOC!

Does anyone know if LE invites went out yet?

Gotta say I'm very excited to see that BBL is going to have not only boys national teams but I just received the email that the girls will as well. This is especially important for my family as I have a son and daughter on BBL teams. Very exciting times to be apart of BBL. I know as with anything there is room for improvement but I'm sure glad my kids are on team BBL. Bright future my kids have on BBL and looking forward to growing with this club. AH is a man the with a plan and GREAT vision!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gotta say I'm very excited to see that BBL is going to have not only boys national teams but I just received the email that the girls will as well. This is especially important for my family as I have a son and daughter on BBL teams. Very exciting times to be apart of BBL. I know as with anything there is room for improvement but I'm sure glad my kids are on team BBL. Bright future my kids have on BBL and looking forward to growing with this club. AH is a man the with a plan and GREAT vision!

Keep drinking that Kool-Aid!

Can you say cult?

How much longer until Leading Edge throws in the towel. 2023s &24s just don’t have it. Maybe the 25s can bring them back to elite status?

Please explain Kool-Aid and cult remarks. BBL has a well rounded program. They provide lots of additional training via their Academy classes. They have box teams for both the boys and girls. Obviously the success at WSYL. But also have the girls entered in the NGLLs. Also they'll be fielding a team for the girls to compete for a chance to play in the inaugural girls WSYL. Multiple teams that vary both geographically and by skill. This is great for producing talent as it provides the opportunity for greener players to enter the program and hopefully work their way up to a more competitive team if that be their desire. All in all for my family having both a son and daughter in the program it's a great fit. I'm also of the belief BBL is the best LC in Jersey as far as a club that fields both boys and girls teams. Change my mind, honestly. I'm open to different points of view and an education if I can get one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much longer until Leading Edge throws in the towel. 2023s &24s just don’t have it. Maybe the 25s can bring them back to elite status?

They are cooked. They simply cannot compete at a high level just take a look at NLF. None of BBL 24s they tried poaching are coming over. They may have to try actually developing their youth program to remain relevant. Who knew.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much longer until Leading Edge throws in the towel. 2023s &24s just don’t have it. Maybe the 25s can bring them back to elite status?

They are cooked. They simply cannot compete at a high level just take a look at NLF. None of BBL 24s they tried poaching are coming over. They may have to try actually developing their youth program to remain relevant. Who knew.

26 and 25s are good. 24s not so much .

Ok fair enough my kids are young still. I'll be paying attention to how things shake out. Sounds like 8th grade is the time to make the move to what would hopefully be the final destination for the duration of their HS careers.

The only team that is playing well this weekend is the TriState 2023 team. Maybe LE and BBL should stop focusing on each other and get you kid to the gym or wall.
None of you are elite!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only team that is playing well this weekend is the TriState 2023 team. Maybe LE and BBL should stop focusing on each other and get you kid to the gym or wall.
None of you are elite!

Every club has some good and some not so good teams. Arguing on a forum, trying to act like your kids program is the best, is a never ending circle of nonsense.

LE has a really good 22 team. Tri state has a good 23 team. BBl has a good 24 team. BBL and LE have good 25 and 26 teams .

Everyone has some good and some bad. notIntelligent to argue all of this.

The fact of the matter is, NJ has a lot of talented players and they are pretty spread out across the couple different clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only team that is playing well this weekend is the TriState 2023 team. Maybe LE and BBL should stop focusing on each other and get you kid to the gym or wall.
None of you are elite!

Every club has some good and some not so good teams. Arguing on a forum, trying to act like your kids program is the best, is a never ending circle of nonsense.

LE has a really good 22 team. Tri state has a good 23 team. BBl has a good 24 team. BBL and LE have good 25 and 26 teams .

Everyone has some good and some bad. notIntelligent to argue all of this.

The fact of the matter is, NJ has a lot of talented players and they are pretty spread out across the couple different clubs.

LE 25 and 26 have done nothing, sounds like you have sons on those teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only team that is playing well this weekend is the TriState 2023 team. Maybe LE and BBL should stop focusing on each other and get you kid to the gym or wall.
None of you are elite!

And your kid is the Star

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much longer until Leading Edge throws in the towel. 2023s &24s just don’t have it. Maybe the 25s can bring them back to elite status?

They are cooked. They simply cannot compete at a high level just take a look at NLF. None of BBL 24s they tried poaching are coming over. They may have to try actually developing their youth program to remain relevant. Who knew.

26 and 25s are good. 24s not so much .

LE 2025 has a bunch of 2024s playing on it. So that explains a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much longer until Leading Edge throws in the towel. 2023s &24s just don’t have it. Maybe the 25s can bring them back to elite status?

They are cooked. They simply cannot compete at a high level just take a look at NLF. None of BBL 24s they tried poaching are coming over. They may have to try actually developing their youth program to remain relevant. Who knew.

26 and 25s are good. 24s not so much .

LE 2025 has a bunch of 2024s playing on it. So that explains a lot.

This is true. They are good for now with the 2024s playing but that won’t last long.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much longer until Leading Edge throws in the towel. 2023s &24s just don’t have it. Maybe the 25s can bring them back to elite status?

They are cooked. They simply cannot compete at a high level just take a look at NLF. None of BBL 24s they tried poaching are coming over. They may have to try actually developing their youth program to remain relevant. Who knew.

26 and 25s are good. 24s not so much .

26 LE is not good. Lost to WCS Navy (B team) by 5 goals at NLF

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much longer until Leading Edge throws in the towel. 2023s &24s just don’t have it. Maybe the 25s can bring them back to elite status?

They are cooked. They simply cannot compete at a high level just take a look at NLF. None of BBL 24s they tried poaching are coming over. They may have to try actually developing their youth program to remain relevant. Who knew.

26 and 25s are good. 24s not so much .

LE 2025 has a bunch of 2024s playing on it. So that explains a lot.

This is true. They are good for now with the 2024s playing but that won’t last long.

A bunch? There are 2. Both with prep year intentions .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much longer until Leading Edge throws in the towel. 2023s &24s just don’t have it. Maybe the 25s can bring them back to elite status?

They are cooked. They simply cannot compete at a high level just take a look at NLF. None of BBL 24s they tried poaching are coming over. They may have to try actually developing their youth program to remain relevant. Who knew.

26 and 25s are good. 24s not so much .

LE 2025 has a bunch of 2024s playing on it. So that explains a lot.

This is true. They are good for now with the 2024s playing but that won’t last long.

A bunch? There are 2. Both with prep year intentions .

Intentions. Ha ha.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much longer until Leading Edge throws in the towel. 2023s &24s just don’t have it. Maybe the 25s can bring them back to elite status?

They are cooked. They simply cannot compete at a high level just take a look at NLF. None of BBL 24s they tried poaching are coming over. They may have to try actually developing their youth program to remain relevant. Who knew.

26 and 25s are good. 24s not so much .

LE 2025 has a bunch of 2024s playing on it. So that explains a lot.

This is true. They are good for now with the 2024s playing but that won’t last long.

A bunch? There are 2. Both with prep year intentions .

Busted.

Were there any college coaches at any even other than NLF this last weekend?

Mad Dog is on a social media campaign to keep their top players from moving to BBL Shore. Posting videos of their top players every day.

Just saw LE 2024 only scored 16 goals in 4 games at NLF, yikes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Were there any college coaches at any even other than NLF this last weekend?

Despite what you may think, and what your club coach tells you, college coaches do not just follow the NLF teams around.. plenty of coaches at Pinnacle in Md. this past weekend, NAL will be loaded this coming weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much longer until Leading Edge throws in the towel. 2023s &24s just don’t have it. Maybe the 25s can bring them back to elite status?

They are cooked. They simply cannot compete at a high level just take a look at NLF. None of BBL 24s they tried poaching are coming over. They may have to try actually developing their youth program to remain relevant. Who knew.

26 and 25s are good. 24s not so much .

LE 2025 has a bunch of 2024s playing on it. So that explains a lot.

This is true. They are good for now with the 2024s playing but that won’t last long.

A bunch? There are 2. Both with prep year intentions .

Look harder. More than 2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Were there any college coaches at any even other than NLF this last weekend?

Pinnacle had a ton.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Were there any college coaches at any even other than NLF this last weekend?

Pinnacle had a ton.

We were at Pinnacle this weekend. Great tourney. Maryland Soccerplex all grass fields that looked like golf fairways. Only complaint is traffic getting to and out of the fields. Gaithersburg boardwalk was nice to get all the teams together. Good competition for all levels. '24 AA champtionship bracket was very competitive.

What does “prep school intentions” mean? Reclass?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does “prep school intentions” mean? Reclass?

It’s the latest loophole in recruiting. Kids will play down a year so they look like studs, while saying they plan to do a post grad year. Then when they are Juniors they can start talking to coaches and see if the post grad year is really worth it.

So it’s basically gaming the system without the actual cost of reclassing. It’s pretty embarrassing and shady for clubs that allow it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does “prep school intentions” mean? Reclass?

It’s the latest loophole in recruiting. Kids will play down a year so they look like studs, while saying they plan to do a post grad year. Then when they are Juniors they can start talking to coaches and see if the post grad year is really worth it.

So it’s basically gaming the system without the actual cost of reclassing. It’s pretty embarrassing and shady for clubs that allow it.

A couple of years ago, the benefit of reclassing was massive with D1 schools offering freshmen and even 8th graders. As you get older, the age advantage diminishes significantly. I would like to think parents aren’t actively gaming the system so that their child looks like a top tier middle schooler.

However, I do believe we are going to see an increase of players choosing to reclass. With the NCAA granting an extra year of eligibility due to covid, there are going to be fewer roster spots available and subsequently less scholarship money. I hope it doesn’t become like ice hockey where 2+ years between HS and college become a near necessity.

Not really sure how its a recruiting “loophole.” Coaches aren’t watching the younger classes like they used to. To go to a college coach on September 1st and say “Hey I’ve been playing 24s heres my film, take me in your 23 class” well its idiotic.

Post-grads, repeats, gap years etc are all here to stay. I genuinely hope the players who choose to do so end up with a greater opportunity than they could have before.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does “prep school intentions” mean? Reclass?

It’s the latest loophole in recruiting. Kids will play down a year so they look like studs, while saying they plan to do a post grad year. Then when they are Juniors they can start talking to coaches and see if the post grad year is really worth it.

So it’s basically gaming the system without the actual cost of reclassing. It’s pretty embarrassing and shady for clubs that allow it.

Sounds pretty nonstunard

BBL Tryouts today!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does “prep school intentions” mean? Reclass?

It’s the latest loophole in recruiting. Kids will play down a year so they look like studs, while saying they plan to do a post grad year. Then when they are Juniors they can start talking to coaches and see if the post grad year is really worth it.

So it’s basically gaming the system without the actual cost of reclassing. It’s pretty embarrassing and shady for clubs that allow it.

Sounds pretty nonstunard

As noted above, the big advantage is being able to talk to coaches before 9/1, and yes, it is a way to gauge whether a PG year is worth it without the commitment. A current 2023 that is entering senior year in high school can shop himself at prospect camps all summer and talk to the coaches, other 23s are off limits until 9/1.

Word is Leading Edge 2024 is gonna blow up. Kids who are good are leaving for BBL & Tristate. They won’t be left with much if true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word is Leading Edge 2024 is gonna blow up. Kids who are good are leaving for BBL & Tristate. They won’t be left with much if true.

Not true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word is Leading Edge 2024 is gonna blow up. Kids who are good are leaving for BBL & Tristate. They won’t be left with much if true.

If my son was a top player on LE I would be an stunad to have him leave. Their top players consistently get recruited by top college programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word is Leading Edge 2024 is gonna blow up. Kids who are good are leaving for BBL & Tristate. They won’t be left with much if true.

If my son was a top player on LE I would be an stunad to have him leave. Their top players consistently get recruited by top college programs.

So does those other clubs. Why not go where your team will play in the winners bracket on Sunday, which is where the college coaches are? No one watches the consolation games which is where Leading Edge now lives.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word is Leading Edge 2024 is gonna blow up. Kids who are good are leaving for BBL & Tristate. They won’t be left with much if true.

I’m not sure any of them are good enough to play for those other clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word is Leading Edge 2024 is gonna blow up. Kids who are good are leaving for BBL & Tristate. They won’t be left with much if true.

If my son was a top player on LE I would be an stunad to have him leave. Their top players consistently get recruited by top college programs.

The difference is they used to have 10-15 top kids. Now it’s 4-5.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word is Leading Edge 2024 is gonna blow up. Kids who are good are leaving for BBL & Tristate. They won’t be left with much if true.

If my son was a top player on LE I would be an stunad to have him leave. Their top players consistently get recruited by top college programs.

The difference is they used to have 10-15 top kids. Now it’s 4-5.

If I’m 4-5 I probably still stay put. Just saying…

How is no one talking about the breaking news today!!!!! BBL taking over team turnpike!! What a moveee!! Oh my gosh turnpike is such a great opportunity for them to really get a strong hold on all of that talent!!

Cha Ching Cha Ching. Ring those registers! Bubble rent is due !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is no one talking about the breaking news today!!!!! BBL taking over team turnpike!! What a moveee!! Oh my gosh turnpike is such a great opportunity for them to really get a strong hold on all of that talent!!

Cha Ching Cha Ching. Ring those registers! Bubble rent is due !

Who is the VC behind BBL acquisitions or are they getting these clubs in a fire sale?

No current 2024 LE players are leaving, none, 1 kid quit mid season and went to BBL and that's it. No one else will leave, period. People have to stop with the fake news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word is Leading Edge 2024 is gonna blow up. Kids who are good are leaving for BBL & Tristate. They won’t be left with much if true.

If my son was a top player on LE I would be an stunad to have him leave. Their top players consistently get recruited by top college programs.

So does those other clubs. Why not go where your team will play in the winners bracket on Sunday, which is where the college coaches are? No one watches the consolation games which is where Leading Edge now lives.

This past weekend.. NLF- LE in consolation bracket (they won 1 game? the entire tournament). Pinnacle- Tristate and BBL in winners bracket. Tristate looked good. They gave Mad Dog National a good fight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is no one talking about the breaking news today!!!!! BBL taking over team turnpike!! What a moveee!! Oh my gosh turnpike is such a great opportunity for them to really get a strong hold on all of that talent!!

Cha Ching Cha Ching. Ring those registers! Bubble rent is due !

Who is the VC behind BBL acquisitions or are they getting these clubs in a fire sale?

NJ clubs needed consolidation. It was just a matter of time. BBL National will field a strong team from entire state. This is good for NJ Lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word is Leading Edge 2024 is gonna blow up. Kids who are good are leaving for BBL & Tristate. They won’t be left with much if true.

If my son was a top player on LE I would be an stunad to have him leave. Their top players consistently get recruited by top college programs.

So does those other clubs. Why not go where your team will play in the winners bracket on Sunday, which is where the college coaches are? No one watches the consolation games which is where Leading Edge now lives.

This past weekend.. NLF- LE in consolation bracket (they won 1 game? the entire tournament). Pinnacle- Tristate and BBL in winners bracket. Tristate looked good. They gave Mad Dog National a good fight.

Yea that is a tough go for sure. I know they have a couple key injured players but that’s no excuse. I would not be surprised if some talented players were at tryouts though. I am also hearing a pretty significant player is making a move to LE. Time will tell, that’s for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is no one talking about the breaking news today!!!!! BBL taking over team turnpike!! What a moveee!! Oh my gosh turnpike is such a great opportunity for them to really get a strong hold on all of that talent!!

Cha Ching Cha Ching. Ring those registers! Bubble rent is due !

Who is the VC behind BBL acquisitions or are they getting these clubs in a fire sale?

NJ clubs needed consolidation. It was just a matter of time. BBL National will field a strong team from entire state. This is good for NJ Lax.

This is not good for NJ lax, nor is it good for BBL when kids jump ship because they do not make the "elite" team. BBL has a good program, not sure why they think that this is s a good move. There will be many unhappy parents and players on the perceived "B" teams. I saw BBL 2024 play at Pinnacle last weekend, the team is very good, seems like BBL can be competitive with their existing model.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is no one talking about the breaking news today!!!!! BBL taking over team turnpike!! What a moveee!! Oh my gosh turnpike is such a great opportunity for them to really get a strong hold on all of that talent!!

Cha Ching Cha Ching. Ring those registers! Bubble rent is due !

Exactly, and why is the Turnpike deal such a great opportunity. Turnpike is a decent program, but I do not think that it is loaded with elite-level talent. If anything, it will be good for the other NJ clubs, kids will end up leaving BBL because they are not on the best BBL team., and if BBL is as disorganized as some have suggested on this forum, the exodus will be pretty quick. My kid has been playing long enough that I have a pretty good handle on the top kids in his class, none of them are on Turnpike.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word is Leading Edge 2024 is gonna blow up. Kids who are good are leaving for BBL & Tristate. They won’t be left with much if true.

If my son was a top player on LE I would be an stunad to have him leave. Their top players consistently get recruited by top college programs.

So does those other clubs. Why not go where your team will play in the winners bracket on Sunday, which is where the college coaches are? No one watches the consolation games which is where Leading Edge now lives.

This past weekend.. NLF- LE in consolation bracket (they won 1 game? the entire tournament). Pinnacle- Tristate and BBL in winners bracket. Tristate looked good. They gave Mad Dog National a good fight.

Yea that is a tough go for sure. I know they have a couple key injured players but that’s no excuse. I would not be surprised if some talented players were at tryouts though. I am also hearing a pretty significant player is making a move to LE. Time will tell, that’s for sure.

Not justifying LE crappy play but Pinnacle and NLF are not at the same level. The top 4 teams at Pinnacle are good, the rest not so much. Are you sure that Mad Dog National had their top kids or were they playing for WCS this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is no one talking about the breaking news today!!!!! BBL taking over team turnpike!! What a moveee!! Oh my gosh turnpike is such a great opportunity for them to really get a strong hold on all of that talent!!

Cha Ching Cha Ching. Ring those registers! Bubble rent is due !

Who is the VC behind BBL acquisitions or are they getting these clubs in a fire sale?

NJ clubs needed consolidation. It was just a matter of time. BBL National will field a strong team from entire state. This is good for NJ Lax.

This is not good for NJ lax, nor is it good for BBL when kids jump ship because they do not make the "elite" team. BBL has a good program, not sure why they think that this is s a good move. There will be many unhappy parents and players on the perceived "B" teams. I saw BBL 2024 play at Pinnacle last weekend, the team is very good, seems like BBL can be competitive with their existing model.

I tend to agree. It very well can water down the brand that they have built. Almost like what happened to tri state years back when they started expanding and having too many teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is no one talking about the breaking news today!!!!! BBL taking over team turnpike!! What a moveee!! Oh my gosh turnpike is such a great opportunity for them to really get a strong hold on all of that talent!!

Cha Ching Cha Ching. Ring those registers! Bubble rent is due !

Who is the VC behind BBL acquisitions or are they getting these clubs in a fire sale?

NJ clubs needed consolidation. It was just a matter of time. BBL National will field a strong team from entire state. This is good for NJ Lax.

This is not good for NJ lax, nor is it good for BBL when kids jump ship because they do not make the "elite" team. BBL has a good program, not sure why they think that this is s a good move. There will be many unhappy parents and players on the perceived "B" teams. I saw BBL 2024 play at Pinnacle last weekend, the team is very good, seems like BBL can be competitive with their existing model.

You can't stop Walmart from putting up stores! The Walton family needs to make money. BBL following the same model.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is no one talking about the breaking news today!!!!! BBL taking over team turnpike!! What a moveee!! Oh my gosh turnpike is such a great opportunity for them to really get a strong hold on all of that talent!!

Cha Ching Cha Ching. Ring those registers! Bubble rent is due !

Exactly, and why is the Turnpike deal such a great opportunity. Turnpike is a decent program, but I do not think that it is loaded with elite-level talent. If anything, it will be good for the other NJ clubs, kids will end up leaving BBL because they are not on the best BBL team., and if BBL is as disorganized as some have suggested on this forum, the exodus will be pretty quick. My kid has been playing long enough that I have a pretty good handle on the top kids in his class, none of them are on Turnpike.

I think the above poster had some sarcasm when speaking about how great of an opportunity it is. Everyone on here knows that turnpike essentially means nothing in the NJ club world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word is Leading Edge 2024 is gonna blow up. Kids who are good are leaving for BBL & Tristate. They won’t be left with much if true.

If my son was a top player on LE I would be an stunad to have him leave. Their top players consistently get recruited by top college programs.

So does those other clubs. Why not go where your team will play in the winners bracket on Sunday, which is where the college coaches are? No one watches the consolation games which is where Leading Edge now lives.

This past weekend.. NLF- LE in consolation bracket (they won 1 game? the entire tournament). Pinnacle- Tristate and BBL in winners bracket. Tristate looked good. They gave Mad Dog National a good fight.

What’s Pinnacle? Isn’t that a golf ball brand?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is no one talking about the breaking news today!!!!! BBL taking over team turnpike!! What a moveee!! Oh my gosh turnpike is such a great opportunity for them to really get a strong hold on all of that talent!!

Cha Ching Cha Ching. Ring those registers! Bubble rent is due !

Exactly, and why is the Turnpike deal such a great opportunity. Turnpike is a decent program, but I do not think that it is loaded with elite-level talent. If anything, it will be good for the other NJ clubs, kids will end up leaving BBL because they are not on the best BBL team., and if BBL is as disorganized as some have suggested on this forum, the exodus will be pretty quick. My kid has been playing long enough that I have a pretty good handle on the top kids in his class, none of them are on Turnpike.

I think the above poster had some sarcasm when speaking about how great of an opportunity it is. Everyone on here knows that turnpike essentially means nothing in the NJ club world.

In hindsight, I suspect that you are correct...you just never know considering half of the nonsense that you read on this forum. At least with United, BBL got right into a market with an established club and a marketable last name.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word is Leading Edge 2024 is gonna blow up. Kids who are good are leaving for BBL & Tristate. They won’t be left with much if true.

If my son was a top player on LE I would be an stunad to have him leave. Their top players consistently get recruited by top college programs.

So does those other clubs. Why not go where your team will play in the winners bracket on Sunday, which is where the college coaches are? No one watches the consolation games which is where Leading Edge now lives.

This past weekend.. NLF- LE in consolation bracket (they won 1 game? the entire tournament). Pinnacle- Tristate and BBL in winners bracket. Tristate looked good. They gave Mad Dog National a good fight.

Yea that is a tough go for sure. I know they have a couple key injured players but that’s no excuse. I would not be surprised if some talented players were at tryouts though. I am also hearing a pretty significant player is making a move to LE. Time will tell, that’s for sure.

Not justifying LE crappy play but Pinnacle and NLF are not at the same level. The top 4 teams at Pinnacle are good, the rest not so much. Are you sure that Mad Dog National had their top kids or were they playing for WCS this weekend?

There's nothing one can do about it bec every single team is in the same situation (injuries, etc). With your logic, Eclipse would've should've won NLF if they had all their players (which I know for a fact they had injuries). 91 claims they were missing players and won. Now what?

Kids from North and Turnpike are not even close to the same level as BBL Black. Some United kids depending on the age may find a place on that National team, but they are dangling the promise of a National team to the United, North, Helix and Turnpike parents but in the end it will be mostly Black kids and maybe one or two from the other programs.

At least Leading Edge kept a separate name from all the other Team 91 New Jersey teams. BBL product will be diluted and as many people will think of them as a B level program and not an elite program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least Leading Edge kept a separate name from all the other Team 91 New Jersey teams. BBL product will be diluted and as many people will think of them as a B level program and not an elite program.

You're seriously talking about name of the club as if it matters? what is this place? let's keep it somewhat real.

Comparing winners and losers brackets from different tournaments is absolutely ridiculous. Recruiting goes far beyond a single quantifiable metric.

Here's a question for discussion, why do (roughly) equally talented players on two separate club teams have hugely different recruiting experiences?

I'm curious as to everyone's thoughts. Is it connections or "pipelines" a club has with a certain school? Is it the events they attend? How much of a role do club director's and their reputation play? Clearly it isn't a simple meritocracy. And yes I know everyone has different goals, grades, etc, but I'm asking from a playing standpoint.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Comparing winners and losers brackets from different tournaments is absolutely ridiculous. Recruiting goes far beyond a single quantifiable metric.

Here's a question for discussion, why do (roughly) equally talented players on two separate club teams have hugely different recruiting experiences?

I'm curious as to everyone's thoughts. Is it connections or "pipelines" a club has with a certain school? Is it the events they attend? How much of a role do club director's and their reputation play? Clearly it isn't a simple meritocracy. And yes I know everyone has different goals, grades, etc, but I'm asking from a playing standpoint.

Club pipeline and director connections to college coaches is probably the answer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Comparing winners and losers brackets from different tournaments is absolutely ridiculous. Recruiting goes far beyond a single quantifiable metric.

Here's a question for discussion, why do (roughly) equally talented players on two separate club teams have hugely different recruiting experiences?

I'm curious as to everyone's thoughts. Is it connections or "pipelines" a club has with a certain school? Is it the events they attend? How much of a role do club director's and their reputation play? Clearly it isn't a simple meritocracy. And yes I know everyone has different goals, grades, etc, but I'm asking from a playing standpoint.

Club pipeline and director connections to college coaches is probably the answer.

Common LE director. You can stop. There is no one answer fits all. If the kid is good, he/she will be found. Support from HS coach, Club coach/dir and doing some showcases and prospect days in schools they are interested in plus grades grades and more grades and character.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids from North and Turnpike are not even close to the same level as BBL Black. Some United kids depending on the age may find a place on that National team, but they are dangling the promise of a National team to the United, North, Helix and Turnpike parents but in the end it will be mostly Black kids and maybe one or two from the other programs.

Where is the Helix team based out of? I did a quick search on the BBL site and couldn't figure it out. Is it the same location as Black?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids from North and Turnpike are not even close to the same level as BBL Black. Some United kids depending on the age may find a place on that National team, but they are dangling the promise of a National team to the United, North, Helix and Turnpike parents but in the end it will be mostly Black kids and maybe one or two from the other programs.

Where is the Helix team based out of? I did a quick search on the BBL site and couldn't figure it out. Is it the same location as Black?

Helix is the B teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No current 2024 LE players are leaving, none, 1 kid quit mid season and went to BBL and that's it. No one else will leave, period. People have to stop with the fake news.

How can you possibly know this? I’ve spoken with many parent on this team who expressed their disappointment and are looking to leave. Maybe tryouts didn’t work out for them at other clubs but the sentiment is there. People want off the sinking ship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Comparing winners and losers brackets from different tournaments is absolutely ridiculous. Recruiting goes far beyond a single quantifiable metric.

Here's a question for discussion, why do (roughly) equally talented players on two separate club teams have hugely different recruiting experiences?

I'm curious as to everyone's thoughts. Is it connections or "pipelines" a club has with a certain school? Is it the events they attend? How much of a role do club director's and their reputation play? Clearly it isn't a simple meritocracy. And yes I know everyone has different goals, grades, etc, but I'm asking from a playing standpoint.

Club pipeline and director connections to college coaches is probably the answer.

I would say that equally talented players (“talented” meaning same skill, athleticism, grades, character, etc ) don’t have hugely different experiences at different clubs. As long as you are playing for a reasonably competitive club, it will be the same result.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids from North and Turnpike are not even close to the same level as BBL Black. Some United kids depending on the age may find a place on that National team, but they are dangling the promise of a National team to the United, North, Helix and Turnpike parents but in the end it will be mostly Black kids and maybe one or two from the other programs.

Where is the Helix team based out of? I did a quick search on the BBL site and couldn't figure it out. Is it the same location as Black?

Florham Park same as Black. They practice together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids from North and Turnpike are not even close to the same level as BBL Black. Some United kids depending on the age may find a place on that National team, but they are dangling the promise of a National team to the United, North, Helix and Turnpike parents but in the end it will be mostly Black kids and maybe one or two from the other programs.

Where is the Helix team based out of? I did a quick search on the BBL site and couldn't figure it out. Is it the same location as Black?

Florham Park same as Black. They practice together.

Does Helix effectively become the other National team BBL intends to offer at each age group? Just wondering since they don’t appear to be regionally based like the other ones.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Comparing winners and losers brackets from different tournaments is absolutely ridiculous. Recruiting goes far beyond a single quantifiable metric.

Here's a question for discussion, why do (roughly) equally talented players on two separate club teams have hugely different recruiting experiences?

I'm curious as to everyone's thoughts. Is it connections or "pipelines" a club has with a certain school? Is it the events they attend? How much of a role do club director's and their reputation play? Clearly it isn't a simple meritocracy. And yes I know everyone has different goals, grades, etc, but I'm asking from a playing standpoint.

Club pipeline and director connections to college coaches is probably the answer.

I would say that equally talented players (“talented” meaning same skill, athleticism, grades, character, etc ) don’t have hugely different experiences at different clubs. As long as you are playing for a reasonably competitive club, it will be the same result.

I would agree, but a club director that has a positive track record as far as kids that they recommend for a particular school can go a long way. Conversely, if a club coach/director is over-selling kids, that can be a detriment to the recruiting for their program down the road.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids from North and Turnpike are not even close to the same level as BBL Black. Some United kids depending on the age may find a place on that National team, but they are dangling the promise of a National team to the United, North, Helix and Turnpike parents but in the end it will be mostly Black kids and maybe one or two from the other programs.

Where is the Helix team based out of? I did a quick search on the BBL site and couldn't figure it out. Is it the same location as Black?

Florham Park same as Black. They practice together.

Does Helix effectively become the other National team BBL intends to offer at each age group? Just wondering since they don’t appear to be regionally based like the other ones.

The national team concept is ridiculous for BBL if they are just pulling kids internally from their NJ program. Also, Helix is their B team, how would they possibly compete as a national team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids from North and Turnpike are not even close to the same level as BBL Black. Some United kids depending on the age may find a place on that National team, but they are dangling the promise of a National team to the United, North, Helix and Turnpike parents but in the end it will be mostly Black kids and maybe one or two from the other programs.

Where is the Helix team based out of? I did a quick search on the BBL site and couldn't figure it out. Is it the same location as Black?

Florham Park same as Black. They practice together.

Does Helix effectively become the other National team BBL intends to offer at each age group? Just wondering since they don’t appear to be regionally based like the other ones.

The national team concept is ridiculous for BBL if they are just pulling kids internally from their NJ program. Also, Helix is their B team, how would they possibly compete as a national team.

One of their e-mail memos indicated two national teams at each age group. Maybe Helix + South + North + Turnpike?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids from North and Turnpike are not even close to the same level as BBL Black. Some United kids depending on the age may find a place on that National team, but they are dangling the promise of a National team to the United, North, Helix and Turnpike parents but in the end it will be mostly Black kids and maybe one or two from the other programs.

Where is the Helix team based out of? I did a quick search on the BBL site and couldn't figure it out. Is it the same location as Black?

Florham Park same as Black. They practice together.

Does Helix effectively become the other National team BBL intends to offer at each age group? Just wondering since they don’t appear to be regionally based like the other ones.

The national team concept is ridiculous for BBL if they are just pulling kids internally from their NJ program. Also, Helix is their B team, how would they possibly compete as a national team.

One of their e-mail memos indicated two national teams at each age group. Maybe Helix + South + North + Turnpike?

A national team made up of helix, north, shore, and turnpike kids would just be a glorified B level NJ team. If you don’t think that AH is simply trying to make money with this “2 national teams for each grade” idea, you are the stunad of all stunads.

A national team made up of helix, north, shore, and turnpike kids would just be a glorified B level NJ team. If you don’t think that AH is simply trying to make money with this “2 national teams for each grade” idea, you are the stunad of all stunads.[/quote]

The only club that has really pulled off the 2 national team concept is True with the national black and green teams, but green is still the lower level team of the two. Either way, True draws from a huge pool of players, mostly from the Midwest, but other underserved regions as well. Way too much competition in the region to make this really successful, Duke's national is a perfect example.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is no one talking about the breaking news today!!!!! BBL taking over team turnpike!! What a moveee!! Oh my gosh turnpike is such a great opportunity for them to really get a strong hold on all of that talent!!

Cha Ching Cha Ching. Ring those registers! Bubble rent is due !

Exactly, and why is the Turnpike deal such a great opportunity. Turnpike is a decent program, but I do not think that it is loaded with elite-level talent. If anything, it will be good for the other NJ clubs, kids will end up leaving BBL because they are not on the best BBL team., and if BBL is as disorganized as some have suggested on this forum, the exodus will be pretty quick. My kid has been playing long enough that I have a pretty good handle on the top kids in his class, none of them are on Turnpike.

I think the above poster had some sarcasm when speaking about how great of an opportunity it is. Everyone on here knows that turnpike essentially means nothing in the NJ club world.

In hindsight, I suspect that you are correct...you just never know considering half of the nonsense that you read on this forum. At least with United, BBL got right into a market with an established club and a marketable last name.

United/BBL was not able to hang onto all the players they wanted. Those personal calls that AH made to try and keep the United players blew up in his face.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is no one talking about the breaking news today!!!!! BBL taking over team turnpike!! What a moveee!! Oh my gosh turnpike is such a great opportunity for them to really get a strong hold on all of that talent!!

Cha Ching Cha Ching. Ring those registers! Bubble rent is due !

Exactly, and why is the Turnpike deal such a great opportunity. Turnpike is a decent program, but I do not think that it is loaded with elite-level talent. If anything, it will be good for the other NJ clubs, kids will end up leaving BBL because they are not on the best BBL team., and if BBL is as disorganized as some have suggested on this forum, the exodus will be pretty quick. My kid has been playing long enough that I have a pretty good handle on the top kids in his class, none of them are on Turnpike.

I think the above poster had some sarcasm when speaking about how great of an opportunity it is. Everyone on here knows that turnpike essentially means nothing in the NJ club world.

In hindsight, I suspect that you are correct...you just never know considering half of the nonsense that you read on this forum. At least with United, BBL got right into a market with an established club and a marketable last name.

United/BBL was not able to hang onto all the players they wanted. Those personal calls that AH made to try and keep the United players blew up in his face.

We will find out soon enough. It's about results, being competitive in tourneys against top national teams. A depth chart of all BBL players for National teams would make sense. Chance for a player to move up based on merit play. Plus I will guess BBL is planning on expanding outside of NJ (i.e. Colorado).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is no one talking about the breaking news today!!!!! BBL taking over team turnpike!! What a moveee!! Oh my gosh turnpike is such a great opportunity for them to really get a strong hold on all of that talent!!

Cha Ching Cha Ching. Ring those registers! Bubble rent is due !

Exactly, and why is the Turnpike deal such a great opportunity. Turnpike is a decent program, but I do not think that it is loaded with elite-level talent. If anything, it will be good for the other NJ clubs, kids will end up leaving BBL because they are not on the best BBL team., and if BBL is as disorganized as some have suggested on this forum, the exodus will be pretty quick. My kid has been playing long enough that I have a pretty good handle on the top kids in his class, none of them are on Turnpike.

I think the above poster had some sarcasm when speaking about how great of an opportunity it is. Everyone on here knows that turnpike essentially means nothing in the NJ club world.

In hindsight, I suspect that you are correct...you just never know considering half of the nonsense that you read on this forum. At least with United, BBL got right into a market with an established club and a marketable last name.

United/BBL was not able to hang onto all the players they wanted. Those personal calls that AH made to try and keep the United players blew up in his face.

We will find out soon enough. It's about results, being competitive in tourneys against top national teams. A depth chart of all BBL players for National teams would make sense. Chance for a player to move up based on merit play. Plus I will guess BBL is planning on expanding outside of NJ (i.e. Colorado).

Have fun with that.

You're all SALTY against BBL. What's the deal?

To the guy who posted about the significant BBL player going to LE it is not true. Why would he go there when their defense is the only good thing about that team. Their offense is where they need the upgrades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the guy who posted about the significant BBL player going to LE it is not true. Why would he go there when their defense is the only good thing about that team. Their offense is where they need the upgrades.

Maybe he wants to play in college?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is no one talking about the breaking news today!!!!! BBL taking over team turnpike!! What a moveee!! Oh my gosh turnpike is such a great opportunity for them to really get a strong hold on all of that talent!!

Cha Ching Cha Ching. Ring those registers! Bubble rent is due !

Exactly, and why is the Turnpike deal such a great opportunity. Turnpike is a decent program, but I do not think that it is loaded with elite-level talent. If anything, it will be good for the other NJ clubs, kids will end up leaving BBL because they are not on the best BBL team., and if BBL is as disorganized as some have suggested on this forum, the exodus will be pretty quick. My kid has been playing long enough that I have a pretty good handle on the top kids in his class, none of them are on Turnpike.

I think the above poster had some sarcasm when speaking about how great of an opportunity it is. Everyone on here knows that turnpike essentially means nothing in the NJ club world.

In hindsight, I suspect that you are correct...you just never know considering half of the nonsense that you read on this forum. At least with United, BBL got right into a market with an established club and a marketable last name.

United/BBL was not able to hang onto all the players they wanted. Those personal calls that AH made to try and keep the United players blew up in his face.

Two national teams for BBL. I assume one will basically be black. The geographic difference from North to Central to Shore to Princeton is not that great. The really good players will want to play for black. The other national team will be made up of Turnpike, Helix North and Shore kids whose parents can brag about how they are on a National team even though no-one who plays on the team is outside NJ. Those kids will be fed a dream of college lacrosse even though they are not at that caliber. However, if the kids just wants to have fun, play with his friends and go to a few local tourneys a year, does it really matter what team he is playing on. The kid and parents will be happy. College lax is not everyone dreams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is no one talking about the breaking news today!!!!! BBL taking over team turnpike!! What a moveee!! Oh my gosh turnpike is such a great opportunity for them to really get a strong hold on all of that talent!!

Cha Ching Cha Ching. Ring those registers! Bubble rent is due !

Exactly, and why is the Turnpike deal such a great opportunity. Turnpike is a decent program, but I do not think that it is loaded with elite-level talent. If anything, it will be good for the other NJ clubs, kids will end up leaving BBL because they are not on the best BBL team., and if BBL is as disorganized as some have suggested on this forum, the exodus will be pretty quick. My kid has been playing long enough that I have a pretty good handle on the top kids in his class, none of them are on Turnpike.

I think the above poster had some sarcasm when speaking about how great of an opportunity it is. Everyone on here knows that turnpike essentially means nothing in the NJ club world.

In hindsight, I suspect that you are correct...you just never know considering half of the nonsense that you read on this forum. At least with United, BBL got right into a market with an established club and a marketable last name.

United/BBL was not able to hang onto all the players they wanted. Those personal calls that AH made to try and keep the United players blew up in his face.

Two national teams for BBL. I assume one will basically be black. The geographic difference from North to Central to Shore to Princeton is not that great. The really good players will want to play for black. The other national team will be made up of Turnpike, Helix North and Shore kids whose parents can brag about how they are on a National team even though no-one who plays on the team is outside NJ. Those kids will be fed a dream of college lacrosse even though they are not at that caliber. However, if the kids just wants to have fun, play with his friends and go to a few local tourneys a year, does it really matter what team he is playing on. The kid and parents will be happy. College lax is not everyone dreams.

My son has played on B level teams, A level teams and now AA level teams in NJ. I thought I knew all the teams at his age group given the diverse teams that he has played for and I can honestly say that I do not ever seeing a Turnpike team. Maybe there is not one in his age group but that begs the question how much of a presence is that club if they do not have one at every age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is no one talking about the breaking news today!!!!! BBL taking over team turnpike!! What a moveee!! Oh my gosh turnpike is such a great opportunity for them to really get a strong hold on all of that talent!!

Cha Ching Cha Ching. Ring those registers! Bubble rent is due !

Exactly, and why is the Turnpike deal such a great opportunity. Turnpike is a decent program, but I do not think that it is loaded with elite-level talent. If anything, it will be good for the other NJ clubs, kids will end up leaving BBL because they are not on the best BBL team., and if BBL is as disorganized as some have suggested on this forum, the exodus will be pretty quick. My kid has been playing long enough that I have a pretty good handle on the top kids in his class, none of them are on Turnpike.

I think the above poster had some sarcasm when speaking about how great of an opportunity it is. Everyone on here knows that turnpike essentially means nothing in the NJ club world.

In hindsight, I suspect that you are correct...you just never know considering half of the nonsense that you read on this forum. At least with United, BBL got right into a market with an established club and a marketable last name.

United/BBL was not able to hang onto all the players they wanted. Those personal calls that AH made to try and keep the United players blew up in his face.

With the exception of MD 2025, most of the top kids from shore area (and by "top kids" I mean kids that have an interest/legitimate chance of playing college lacrosse) travel to play for their club teams such as Tri State, Bluestar and Leading Edge. Likewise, there are a handful of shore area kids that travel to practice with BBL. Therefore, coming to the Shore area may result in kids leaving United because if they wanted to play for BBL, they would have been playing for BBL already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the guy who posted about the significant BBL player going to LE it is not true. Why would he go there when their defense is the only good thing about that team. Their offense is where they need the upgrades.

Kids are leaving Leading Edge.

My son has played on B level teams, A level teams and now AA level teams in NJ. I thought I knew all the teams at his age group given the diverse teams that he has played for and I can honestly say that I do not ever seeing a Turnpike team. Maybe there is not one in his age group but that begs the question how much of a presence is that club if they do not have one at every age group.[/quote]

United was a more substantial move in that BBL gets an established program at the shore with a full roster of teams, the Turnpike deal seems more about taking a player out of the market.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

However, if the kids just wants to have fun, play with his friends and go to a few local tourneys a year, does it really matter what team he is playing on. The kid and parents will be happy. College lax is not everyone dreams.

Careful with this! :-)

Too many people on here can't wrap their heads around that being the endgame for some (maybe most). Some kids just want to play on a team that's more competitive than Rec and their parents don't get caught up in the LE vs BBL vs Tri-state nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

However, if the kids just wants to have fun, play with his friends and go to a few local tourneys a year, does it really matter what team he is playing on. The kid and parents will be happy. College lax is not everyone dreams.

Careful with this! :-)

Too many people on here can't wrap their heads around that being the endgame for some (maybe most). Some kids just want to play on a team that's more competitive than Rec and their parents don't get caught up in the LE vs BBL vs Tri-state nonsense.

I think the goal for most of these kids playing club is that they get significant playing time in junior and senior year of high school. In that case, getting playing time at a good A or even high level B team makes the most sense especially if the HS coach is the director or a coach on that A or B team. If they want to play in college (and I mean Division 1 lacrosse) then the parents and kids will do whatever to get to that dream. The real issue is the parents not knowing the difference between kids that have Division 1 potential, Division 3 potential potential or just HS potential.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

However, if the kids just wants to have fun, play with his friends and go to a few local tourneys a year, does it really matter what team he is playing on. The kid and parents will be happy. College lax is not everyone dreams.

Careful with this! :-)

Too many people on here can't wrap their heads around that being the endgame for some (maybe most). Some kids just want to play on a team that's more competitive than Rec and their parents don't get caught up in the LE vs BBL vs Tri-state nonsense.

Don't disagree but it seems notIntelligent to spend that much time and money when you can go to the beach or lake in the summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

However, if the kids just wants to have fun, play with his friends and go to a few local tourneys a year, does it really matter what team he is playing on. The kid and parents will be happy. College lax is not everyone dreams.

Careful with this! :-)

Too many people on here can't wrap their heads around that being the endgame for some (maybe most). Some kids just want to play on a team that's more competitive than Rec and their parents don't get caught up in the LE vs BBL vs Tri-state nonsense.

Yes ofcourse. Just know that most of the kids in these clubs know each other, goes to the same HS and are friends. We can have conversations/arguments here even if it's mostly non-sense. The alternative is a dead forum (look at PA, it's strange.)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

However, if the kids just wants to have fun, play with his friends and go to a few local tourneys a year, does it really matter what team he is playing on. The kid and parents will be happy. College lax is not everyone dreams.

Careful with this! :-)

Too many people on here can't wrap their heads around that being the endgame for some (maybe most). Some kids just want to play on a team that's more competitive than Rec and their parents don't get caught up in the LE vs BBL vs Tri-state nonsense.

I think the goal for most of these kids playing club is that they get significant playing time in junior and senior year of high school. In that case, getting playing time at a good A or even high level B team makes the most sense especially if the HS coach is the director or a coach on that A or B team. If they want to play in college (and I mean Division 1 lacrosse) then the parents and kids will do whatever to get to that dream. The real issue is the parents not knowing the difference between kids that have Division 1 potential, Division 3 potential potential or just HS potential.

Interesting perspective, but I imagine that the bulk of the parents on this forum have kids that hope, whether realistic or not, to pursue lacrosse at the college level. However, I 100% agree about many parents not having any perspective about their kid's skill level, I hear too many parents telling me about the prospect days that their kid went to at a school that the kid has absolutely no chance to play at. The parent always tries to cover themselves by saying that their kid probably can't play at the school, but they just went to the prospect day for the "experience"...yeah, right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

However, if the kids just wants to have fun, play with his friends and go to a few local tourneys a year, does it really matter what team he is playing on. The kid and parents will be happy. College lax is not everyone dreams.

Careful with this! :-)

Too many people on here can't wrap their heads around that being the endgame for some (maybe most). Some kids just want to play on a team that's more competitive than Rec and their parents don't get caught up in the LE vs BBL vs Tri-state nonsense.

I think the goal for most of these kids playing club is that they get significant playing time in junior and senior year of high school. In that case, getting playing time at a good A or even high level B team makes the most sense especially if the HS coach is the director or a coach on that A or B team. If they want to play in college (and I mean Division 1 lacrosse) then the parents and kids will do whatever to get to that dream. The real issue is the parents not knowing the difference between kids that have Division 1 potential, Division 3 potential potential or just HS potential.

But if you notice, the only ones shilling D1 recruiting dreams around here is LE. It's their calling card.

What teams are you referring to that you feel kids are leaving Leading Edge?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

However, if the kids just wants to have fun, play with his friends and go to a few local tourneys a year, does it really matter what team he is playing on. The kid and parents will be happy. College lax is not everyone dreams.

Careful with this! :-)

Too many people on here can't wrap their heads around that being the endgame for some (maybe most). Some kids just want to play on a team that's more competitive than Rec and their parents don't get caught up in the LE vs BBL vs Tri-state nonsense.

I think the goal for most of these kids playing club is that they get significant playing time in junior and senior year of high school. In that case, getting playing time at a good A or even high level B team makes the most sense especially if the HS coach is the director or a coach on that A or B team. If they want to play in college (and I mean Division 1 lacrosse) then the parents and kids will do whatever to get to that dream. The real issue is the parents not knowing the difference between kids that have Division 1 potential, Division 3 potential potential or just HS potential.

But if you notice, the only ones shilling D1 recruiting dreams around here is LE. It's their calling card.

Got to admit in NJ LE has best track record for D1, who is as close?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams are you referring to that you feel kids are leaving Leading Edge?

2022

Originally Posted by Anonymous

However, if the kids just wants to have fun, play with his friends and go to a few local tourneys a year, does it really matter what team he is playing on. The kid and parents will be happy. College lax is not everyone dreams.

Careful with this! :-)

Too many people on here can't wrap their heads around that being the endgame for some (maybe most). Some kids just want to play on a team that's more competitive than Rec and their parents don't get caught up in the LE vs BBL vs Tri-state nonsense.

I think the goal for most of these kids playing club is that they get significant playing time in junior and senior year of high school. In that case, getting playing time at a good A or even high level B team makes the most sense especially if the HS coach is the director or a coach on that A or B team. If they want to play in college (and I mean Division 1 lacrosse) then the parents and kids will do whatever to get to that dream. The real issue is the parents not knowing the difference between kids that have Division 1 potential, Division 3 potential potential or just HS potential.

But if you notice, the only ones shilling D1 recruiting dreams around here is LE. It's their calling card.

Got to admit in NJ LE has best track record for D1, who is as close?

I agree that LE's track record speaks for itself, but not sure if they can keep it going like the old days. As we all know, in the past, LE was the destination for most of the top players in NJ, this is not the case anymore, plenty of top kids, if not better kids, on other clubs. As a result, you are seeing a lot of impressive commits from Tri State (not really new), Riot, BBL and Bluestar. I think that the 2023 class and beyond will be much different for LE on the recruiting front, but only time will tell.

A little insight into the sham that Showcase “All-Star” selections are… They are all rigged. When kids who don’t even show up get selected, it’s a massive joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

However, if the kids just wants to have fun, play with his friends and go to a few local tourneys a year, does it really matter what team he is playing on. The kid and parents will be happy. College lax is not everyone dreams.

Careful with this! :-)

Too many people on here can't wrap their heads around that being the endgame for some (maybe most). Some kids just want to play on a team that's more competitive than Rec and their parents don't get caught up in the LE vs BBL vs Tri-state nonsense.

I think the goal for most of these kids playing club is that they get significant playing time in junior and senior year of high school. In that case, getting playing time at a good A or even high level B team makes the most sense especially if the HS coach is the director or a coach on that A or B team. If they want to play in college (and I mean Division 1 lacrosse) then the parents and kids will do whatever to get to that dream. The real issue is the parents not knowing the difference between kids that have Division 1 potential, Division 3 potential potential or just HS potential.

But if you notice, the only ones shilling D1 recruiting dreams around here is LE. It's their calling card.

Got to admit in NJ LE has best track record for D1, who is as close?

I agree that LE's track record speaks for itself, but not sure if they can keep it going like the old days. As we all know, in the past, LE was the destination for most of the top players in NJ, this is not the case anymore, plenty of top kids, if not better kids, on other clubs. As a result, you are seeing a lot of impressive commits from Tri State (not really new), Riot, BBL and Bluestar. I think that the 2023 class and beyond will be much different for LE on the recruiting front, but only time will tell.

buyer beware

The rankings for club lacrosse are good directional however it doesn’t take into account the level of teams you play. There are teams on there that play easier ranked teams ranked high.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The rankings for club lacrosse are good directional however it doesn’t take into account the level of teams you play. There are teams on there that play easier ranked teams ranked high.

They have a strength of schedule factor. The bigger issue is they weigh fall ball the same as summer. Everyone knows fall ball is a very different animal and should be much less weighted than summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

However, if the kids just wants to have fun, play with his friends and go to a few local tourneys a year, does it really matter what team he is playing on. The kid and parents will be happy. College lax is not everyone dreams.

Careful with this! :-)

Too many people on here can't wrap their heads around that being the endgame for some (maybe most). Some kids just want to play on a team that's more competitive than Rec and their parents don't get caught up in the LE vs BBL vs Tri-state nonsense.

I think the goal for most of these kids playing club is that they get significant playing time in junior and senior year of high school. In that case, getting playing time at a good A or even high level B team makes the most sense especially if the HS coach is the director or a coach on that A or B team. If they want to play in college (and I mean Division 1 lacrosse) then the parents and kids will do whatever to get to that dream. The real issue is the parents not knowing the difference between kids that have Division 1 potential, Division 3 potential potential or just HS potential.

But if you notice, the only ones shilling D1 recruiting dreams around here is LE. It's their calling card.

Got to admit in NJ LE has best track record for D1, who is as close?

They probably have the best history but nothing lasts forever. The landscape has changed and with the new recruiting rules, they aren’t as important. 2023 and beyond are nowhere near the level of previous teams. Even the 2022s still have a lot of kids who aren’t committed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

However, if the kids just wants to have fun, play with his friends and go to a few local tourneys a year, does it really matter what team he is playing on. The kid and parents will be happy. College lax is not everyone dreams.

Careful with this! :-)

Too many people on here can't wrap their heads around that being the endgame for some (maybe most). Some kids just want to play on a team that's more competitive than Rec and their parents don't get caught up in the LE vs BBL vs Tri-state nonsense.

I think the goal for most of these kids playing club is that they get significant playing time in junior and senior year of high school. In that case, getting playing time at a good A or even high level B team makes the most sense especially if the HS coach is the director or a coach on that A or B team. If they want to play in college (and I mean Division 1 lacrosse) then the parents and kids will do whatever to get to that dream. The real issue is the parents not knowing the difference between kids that have Division 1 potential, Division 3 potential potential or just HS potential.

But if you notice, the only ones shilling D1 recruiting dreams around here is LE. It's their calling card.

Got to admit in NJ LE has best track record for D1, who is as close?

They probably have the best history but nothing lasts forever. The landscape has changed and with the new recruiting rules, they aren’t as important. 2023 and beyond are nowhere near the level of previous teams. Even the 2022s still have a lot of kids who aren’t committed

This is a very poor take on the 22s, only a handful of kids are uncommitted. 23s may surprise people as recruiting is more about individual talent rather than team wins

Originally Posted by Anonymous

However, if the kids just wants to have fun, play with his friends and go to a few local tourneys a year, does it really matter what team he is playing on. The kid and parents will be happy. College lax is not everyone dreams.

Careful with this! :-)

Too many people on here can't wrap their heads around that being the endgame for some (maybe most). Some kids just want to play on a team that's more competitive than Rec and their parents don't get caught up in the LE vs BBL vs Tri-state nonsense.

I think the goal for most of these kids playing club is that they get significant playing time in junior and senior year of high school. In that case, getting playing time at a good A or even high level B team makes the most sense especially if the HS coach is the director or a coach on that A or B team. If they want to play in college (and I mean Division 1 lacrosse) then the parents and kids will do whatever to get to that dream. The real issue is the parents not knowing the difference between kids that have Division 1 potential, Division 3 potential potential or just HS potential.

But if you notice, the only ones shilling D1 recruiting dreams around here is LE. It's their calling card.

Got to admit in NJ LE has best track record for D1, who is as close?

They probably have the best history but nothing lasts forever. The landscape has changed and with the new recruiting rules, they aren’t as important. 2023 and beyond are nowhere near the level of previous teams. Even the 2022s still have a lot of kids who aren’t committed

I just looked up their list of 2022 commits. Wow .

Ryan Bilello, defense, Manasquan - Colgate

Christian Bockelmann, attack/midfield, Rumson-Fair Haven - Yale

Tripp Didden, defense, Deerfield (Mass.) - Johns Hopkins

Matt Dollive, midfield, Wall - Army

Will Doran, attack, Princeton - Williams

Luke Engelke, faceoff midfield, Pingry - Duke (Commitment story)

Mikey Kloepfer, midfield, Scotch Plains-Fanwood - Merrimack

Harry Laferriere, goalie, Kent (Conn.) - Brown

Dylan LeBlanc, defense, Manasquan - Loyola

David Link, attack, Delbarton - Villanova

Tyler Marmo, attack, Avon Old Farms (Conn.) - Holy Cross

Ryan McLaughlin, LSM, Mountain Lakes - Penn

Konrad Miklaszewski, LSM, Montclair - Yale (Commitment story)

Cade Schuckman, midfield, Mountain Lakes - Williams

Jaz Zanelli, goalie, Seton Hall Prep - Bucknell (Commitment story)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

However, if the kids just wants to have fun, play with his friends and go to a few local tourneys a year, does it really matter what team he is playing on. The kid and parents will be happy. College lax is not everyone dreams.

Careful with this! :-)

Too many people on here can't wrap their heads around that being the endgame for some (maybe most). Some kids just want to play on a team that's more competitive than Rec and their parents don't get caught up in the LE vs BBL vs Tri-state nonsense.

I think the goal for most of these kids playing club is that they get significant playing time in junior and senior year of high school. In that case, getting playing time at a good A or even high level B team makes the most sense especially if the HS coach is the director or a coach on that A or B team. If they want to play in college (and I mean Division 1 lacrosse) then the parents and kids will do whatever to get to that dream. The real issue is the parents not knowing the difference between kids that have Division 1 potential, Division 3 potential potential or just HS potential.

But if you notice, the only ones shilling D1 recruiting dreams around here is LE. It's their calling card.

Got to admit in NJ LE has best track record for D1, who is as close?

They probably have the best history but nothing lasts forever. The landscape has changed and with the new recruiting rules, they aren’t as important. 2023 and beyond are nowhere near the level of previous teams. Even the 2022s still have a lot of kids who aren’t committed

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2024s went 0-3 again today. 2023s didn’t do much better. If you think this club is not on the outs, I have a bridge I’d like to sell you.

Leading Edge is the most cowardly club in NJ. The 2023 lost to Tristate horribly earlier in the summer. They were matched up against Bluestar this weekend twice and changed the game to avoid embarrassment. What a sham that club is. Afraid of competition.

10-15 kids still not committed.

LE 24’s only scored seven goals in 3 games. 26th out of 27 teams and they got shut out one game. I only got to see one of there games but I don’t care how many kids they have injured, the coach has to be part of the problem with their performance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 24’s only scored seven goals in 3 games. 26th out of 27 teams and they got shut out one game. I only got to see one of there games but I don’t care how many kids they have injured, the coach has to be part of the problem with their performance.

Ahh! The old “blame the coach because the team isn’t scoring much”. Gotta love that !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 24’s only scored seven goals in 3 games. 26th out of 27 teams and they got shut out one game. I only got to see one of there games but I don’t care how many kids they have injured, the coach has to be part of the problem with their performance.

Oh man. Your the parent that blames the coach for the kids lack of ability or performance. We all know THAT GUY. Don’t be THAT guy!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

10-15 kids still not committed.

This is highly inaccurate. There may be 5 or 6 but no way its even close to 10.

If you don't want to read the whole thing, every NJ team is average to below average. Why are we being outpaced by every other state?

I think NAL showed that everyone here throwing stones also lives in a glass house. What a horrendous showing by NJ across the board. Only two NJ teams made the playoff bracket for the entire event, LE 22s and BBL 24s.

I like the BBL 22s but I think they had a bad weekend. 22 group is tough with it being their last tournament and most kids already through the recruiting process. Kudos to the LE 22s for making the semis.

NJ 23's were bad across the board. Blue Star, BBL, LE wow. Sure Tri-State is supposed to be the best at this age group but where were they playing? Obviously not in the player's control but still would have been nice to see their teams here.
- no insight on the rumor that LE is ducking Blue Star, isn't that out of their hands? If they had some "no blue star" clause then why did the 24s play?

For the 24s, nearly as bad. BBL made the playoffs but were out in the first round. Beat a bad NH team and Legacy's B team to get there. LE put together consolation wins and Blue Star got one.

Overall:
Leading Edge 22s [4-1]....23s [2-3]... 24s [2-3]
Build Blocks- 22s [2-3]....23s [2-3]... 24s [3-2]
Blue Star- 22s [0-5]... 23s [2-2].... 24s [1-4]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't want to read the whole thing, every NJ team is average to below average. Why are we being outpaced by every other state?

I think NAL showed that everyone here throwing stones also lives in a glass house. What a horrendous showing by NJ across the board. Only two NJ teams made the playoff bracket for the entire event, LE 22s and BBL 24s.

I like the BBL 22s but I think they had a bad weekend. 22 group is tough with it being their last tournament and most kids already through the recruiting process. Kudos to the LE 22s for making the semis.

NJ 23's were bad across the board. Blue Star, BBL, LE wow. Sure Tri-State is supposed to be the best at this age group but where were they playing? Obviously not in the player's control but still would have been nice to see their teams here.
- no insight on the rumor that LE is ducking Blue Star, isn't that out of their hands? If they had some "no blue star" clause then why did the 24s play?

For the 24s, nearly as bad. BBL made the playoffs but were out in the first round. Beat a bad NH team and Legacy's B team to get there. LE put together consolation wins and Blue Star got one.

Overall:
Leading Edge 22s [4-1]....23s [2-3]... 24s [2-3]
Build Blocks- 22s [2-3]....23s [2-3]... 24s [3-2]
Blue Star- 22s [0-5]... 23s [2-2].... 24s [1-4]

Love the pumping up of Blue Star! Deserved or undeserved, at least we aren't just talking about LE and BBL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't want to read the whole thing, every NJ team is average to below average. Why are we being outpaced by every other state?

I think NAL showed that everyone here throwing stones also lives in a glass house. What a horrendous showing by NJ across the board. Only two NJ teams made the playoff bracket for the entire event, LE 22s and BBL 24s.

I like the BBL 22s but I think they had a bad weekend. 22 group is tough with it being their last tournament and most kids already through the recruiting process. Kudos to the LE 22s for making the semis.

NJ 23's were bad across the board. Blue Star, BBL, LE wow. Sure Tri-State is supposed to be the best at this age group but where were they playing? Obviously not in the player's control but still would have been nice to see their teams here.
- no insight on the rumor that LE is ducking Blue Star, isn't that out of their hands? If they had some "no blue star" clause then why did the 24s play?

For the 24s, nearly as bad. BBL made the playoffs but were out in the first round. Beat a bad NH team and Legacy's B team to get there. LE put together consolation wins and Blue Star got one.

Overall:
Leading Edge 22s [4-1]....23s [2-3]... 24s [2-3]
Build Blocks- 22s [2-3]....23s [2-3]... 24s [3-2]
Blue Star- 22s [0-5]... 23s [2-2].... 24s [1-4]

Only 2 Long Island teams made the playoffs. Does that mean Long Island is average to below average?

If you were in Delaware this weekend you know the truth about coaches watching these teams (big difference b/w the teams by the way), and if you're kid actually plays on these teams you know the truth about commits/injuries/missing players/coaching/reclasses/politics, and side payments (yes, that is a rumor mill item now) that impact play.

If you weren't actually in DE and are just relying on Tourney Machine and your animonsity of other teams to form poor opinions, the below is for you:

- BBL 2022 only had 14 kids playing and missing key players. Hard to beat teams in such a deep and quality field without a full team, Solid performance despite the missing pieces
- LE 2023 had at least 40+ coaches including most top 10 programs watching their 2 games today despite the losses, tons of talent on the field just not the chemistry needed to win consistently. There will be many more recruited than you think.
-The other 2 NJ 2023 teams had significantly fewer coaches watching despite some talented players on both teams. Even some of the recent 2022s reclassed didn't move the needle a lot to produce wins on the BBL 2023 team. Talent doesn't always equal wins.
- LE 2022 does not have 10-15 uncommitted players, the person that said 5-6 is correct and most have offers and are waiting for the dust to settle from this weekend
- For now, BBL 2024 is still the best 2024 team in NJ. We'll see how a year of real HS playing time for other teams impacts this going forward.
- For those complaining about the coaches being the problem, good and elite players are formed from 1. a combination of player commitment to improving on their own time, 2. their club quality and experience (playing with and against top-notch players), 3. The quality and culture of their HS/town programs, 4. their own physical development (some have grown and some haven't), and 5. confidence level and willingness to become an alpha on teams of alpha players. If the team is underperforming (LE 2024 as an example), the players better start with number one on this list before blaming someone else and if the Coach isn't playing your son, you should consider moving to a different team because that is unlikely to change. Standing on the sideline of a great team won't give you visibility to recruiters or film.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't want to read the whole thing, every NJ team is average to below average. Why are we being outpaced by every other state?

I think NAL showed that everyone here throwing stones also lives in a glass house. What a horrendous showing by NJ across the board. Only two NJ teams made the playoff bracket for the entire event, LE 22s and BBL 24s.

I like the BBL 22s but I think they had a bad weekend. 22 group is tough with it being their last tournament and most kids already through the recruiting process. Kudos to the LE 22s for making the semis.

NJ 23's were bad across the board. Blue Star, BBL, LE wow. Sure Tri-State is supposed to be the best at this age group but where were they playing? Obviously not in the player's control but still would have been nice to see their teams here.
- no insight on the rumor that LE is ducking Blue Star, isn't that out of their hands? If they had some "no blue star" clause then why did the 24s play?

For the 24s, nearly as bad. BBL made the playoffs but were out in the first round. Beat a bad NH team and Legacy's B team to get there. LE put together consolation wins and Blue Star got one.

Overall:
Leading Edge 22s [4-1]....23s [2-3]... 24s [2-3]
Build Blocks- 22s [2-3]....23s [2-3]... 24s [3-2]
Blue Star- 22s [0-5]... 23s [2-2].... 24s [1-4]

Only 2 Long Island teams made the playoffs. Does that mean Long Island is average to below average?

Zero. Ill say that again. Zero LI teams won the NAL championship this weekend. According to OP's logic (which he is obviously compensating for his team's total ineptness), LI is not good. OP.. pro tip.. lay off the solo cups and enjoy your son play with his team while it lasts. You're welcome.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't want to read the whole thing, every NJ team is average to below average. Why are we being outpaced by every other state?

I think NAL showed that everyone here throwing stones also lives in a glass house. What a horrendous showing by NJ across the board. Only two NJ teams made the playoff bracket for the entire event, LE 22s and BBL 24s.

I like the BBL 22s but I think they had a bad weekend. 22 group is tough with it being their last tournament and most kids already through the recruiting process. Kudos to the LE 22s for making the semis.

NJ 23's were bad across the board. Blue Star, BBL, LE wow. Sure Tri-State is supposed to be the best at this age group but where were they playing? Obviously not in the player's control but still would have been nice to see their teams here.
- no insight on the rumor that LE is ducking Blue Star, isn't that out of their hands? If they had some "no blue star" clause then why did the 24s play?

For the 24s, nearly as bad. BBL made the playoffs but were out in the first round. Beat a bad NH team and Legacy's B team to get there. LE put together consolation wins and Blue Star got one.

Overall:
Leading Edge 22s [4-1]....23s [2-3]... 24s [2-3]
Build Blocks- 22s [2-3]....23s [2-3]... 24s [3-2]
Blue Star- 22s [0-5]... 23s [2-2].... 24s [1-4]

Only 2 Long Island teams made the playoffs. Does that mean Long Island is average to below average?

Zero. Ill say that again. Zero LI teams won the NAL championship this weekend. According to OP's logic (which he is obviously compensating for his team's total ineptness), LI is not good. OP.. pro tip.. lay off the solo cups and enjoy your son play with his team while it lasts. You're welcome.

There is so much talk on these boards about playoffs, rankings, consolation brackets etc etc etc. My only point was no team in NJ stands out on the national scale. Yes, I used this weekend’s results to drive home my point. I’m sorry I hit such a nerve bringing you back down to Earth. Pro tip, stop projecting alcoholism onto strangers and begin considering things from a different viewpoint. You’re welcome.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you were in Delaware this weekend you know the truth about coaches watching these teams (big difference b/w the teams by the way), and if you're kid actually plays on these teams you know the truth about commits/injuries/missing players/coaching/reclasses/politics, and side payments (yes, that is a rumor mill item now) that impact play.

If you weren't actually in DE and are just relying on Tourney Machine and your animonsity of other teams to form poor opinions, the below is for you:

- BBL 2022 only had 14 kids playing and missing key players. Hard to beat teams in such a deep and quality field without a full team, Solid performance despite the missing pieces
- LE 2023 had at least 40+ coaches including most top 10 programs watching their 2 games today despite the losses, tons of talent on the field just not the chemistry needed to win consistently. There will be many more recruited than you think.
-The other 2 NJ 2023 teams had significantly fewer coaches watching despite some talented players on both teams. Even some of the recent 2022s reclassed didn't move the needle a lot to produce wins on the BBL 2023 team. Talent doesn't always equal wins.
- LE 2022 does not have 10-15 uncommitted players, the person that said 5-6 is correct and most have offers and are waiting for the dust to settle from this weekend
- For now, BBL 2024 is still the best 2024 team in NJ. We'll see how a year of real HS playing time for other teams impacts this going forward.
- For those complaining about the coaches being the problem, good and elite players are formed from 1. a combination of player commitment to improving on their own time, 2. their club quality and experience (playing with and against top-notch players), 3. The quality and culture of their HS/town programs, 4. their own physical development (some have grown and some haven't), and 5. confidence level and willingness to become an alpha on teams of alpha players. If the team is underperforming (LE 2024 as an example), the players better start with number one on this list before blaming someone else and if the Coach isn't playing your son, you should consider moving to a different team because that is unlikely to change. Standing on the sideline of a great team won't give you visibility to recruiters or film.

I was at the LE 2023 games. There were not 40 coaches watching. And if they were, it would have been a bad day for that to happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you were in Delaware this weekend you know the truth about coaches watching these teams (big difference b/w the teams by the way), and if you're kid actually plays on these teams you know the truth about commits/injuries/missing players/coaching/reclasses/politics, and side payments (yes, that is a rumor mill item now) that impact play.

If you weren't actually in DE and are just relying on Tourney Machine and your animonsity of other teams to form poor opinions, the below is for you:

- BBL 2022 only had 14 kids playing and missing key players. Hard to beat teams in such a deep and quality field without a full team, Solid performance despite the missing pieces
- LE 2023 had at least 40+ coaches including most top 10 programs watching their 2 games today despite the losses, tons of talent on the field just not the chemistry needed to win consistently. There will be many more recruited than you think.
-The other 2 NJ 2023 teams had significantly fewer coaches watching despite some talented players on both teams. Even some of the recent 2022s reclassed didn't move the needle a lot to produce wins on the BBL 2023 team. Talent doesn't always equal wins.
- LE 2022 does not have 10-15 uncommitted players, the person that said 5-6 is correct and most have offers and are waiting for the dust to settle from this weekend
- For now, BBL 2024 is still the best 2024 team in NJ. We'll see how a year of real HS playing time for other teams impacts this going forward.
- For those complaining about the coaches being the problem, good and elite players are formed from 1. a combination of player commitment to improving on their own time, 2. their club quality and experience (playing with and against top-notch players), 3. The quality and culture of their HS/town programs, 4. their own physical development (some have grown and some haven't), and 5. confidence level and willingness to become an alpha on teams of alpha players. If the team is underperforming (LE 2024 as an example), the players better start with number one on this list before blaming someone else and if the Coach isn't playing your son, you should consider moving to a different team because that is unlikely to change. Standing on the sideline of a great team won't give you visibility to recruiters or film.

I was at the LE 2023 games. There were not 40 coaches watching. And if they were, it would have been a bad day for that to happen.

Do you have any idea what coaches are looking at?
Tillman was at 3 different LE games, Tiffany was there, Yale & Duke coaches at two games & West Point had a coach at 4 out of the 5. Dartmouth was at 3 games. They can't all be looking at the same 5 kids.
If the LE 2023s are so bad then why did they keep coming back? Are you saying there were no other games at the same time?
I can't explain it, the team looked really bad this weekend. We can make excuses about the girl that was walking around that they all keep talking about or they were exhausted from the summer. Regardless the coaches were there and keep coming back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you were in Delaware this weekend you know the truth about coaches watching these teams (big difference b/w the teams by the way), and if you're kid actually plays on these teams you know the truth about commits/injuries/missing players/coaching/reclasses/politics, and side payments (yes, that is a rumor mill item now) that impact play.

If you weren't actually in DE and are just relying on Tourney Machine and your animonsity of other teams to form poor opinions, the below is for you:

- BBL 2022 only had 14 kids playing and missing key players. Hard to beat teams in such a deep and quality field without a full team, Solid performance despite the missing pieces
- LE 2023 had at least 40+ coaches including most top 10 programs watching their 2 games today despite the losses, tons of talent on the field just not the chemistry needed to win consistently. There will be many more recruited than you think.
-The other 2 NJ 2023 teams had significantly fewer coaches watching despite some talented players on both teams. Even some of the recent 2022s reclassed didn't move the needle a lot to produce wins on the BBL 2023 team. Talent doesn't always equal wins.
- LE 2022 does not have 10-15 uncommitted players, the person that said 5-6 is correct and most have offers and are waiting for the dust to settle from this weekend
- For now, BBL 2024 is still the best 2024 team in NJ. We'll see how a year of real HS playing time for other teams impacts this going forward.
- For those complaining about the coaches being the problem, good and elite players are formed from 1. a combination of player commitment to improving on their own time, 2. their club quality and experience (playing with and against top-notch players), 3. The quality and culture of their HS/town programs, 4. their own physical development (some have grown and some haven't), and 5. confidence level and willingness to become an alpha on teams of alpha players. If the team is underperforming (LE 2024 as an example), the players better start with number one on this list before blaming someone else and if the Coach isn't playing your son, you should consider moving to a different team because that is unlikely to change. Standing on the sideline of a great team won't give you visibility to recruiters or film.

I was at the LE 2023 games. There were not 40 coaches watching. And if they were, it would have been a bad day for that to happen.

Do you have any idea what coaches are looking at?
Tillman was at 3 different LE games, Tiffany was there, Yale & Duke coaches at two games & West Point had a coach at 4 out of the 5. Dartmouth was at 3 games. They can't all be looking at the same 5 kids.
If the LE 2023s are so bad then why did they keep coming back? Are you saying there were no other games at the same time?
I can't explain it, the team looked really bad this weekend. We can make excuses about the girl that was walking around that they all keep talking about or they were exhausted from the summer. Regardless the coaches were there and keep coming back.

Coaches were at a lot of games, there were not an extraordinary amount of coaches at the LE games that I watched. There were definitely games that had more coaches, and others had less, but to suggest that LE had a monopoly is simply not accurate. Despite what others have posted about NJ teams at NAL, I would encourage people on this forum that weren't there to look at the teams in the consolation games, there were some heavy hitters, so even the Sunday consolation games had good coverage by coaches. Consolation games at 2023 had Madlax, Eclipse, Igloo, LI Express, Prime Time, Crabs, Hawks LE, so to suggest that NJ lacrosse is mediocre is just ignorant.. As far as the Bluestar/LE games being rescheduled twice, I have no idea what happened. I know that schedules often change for the first day of play, so we can chalk that one up to a "coincidence", but the Sunday change definitely came off as a bit more deliberate. Either way, there were some good wins, and some tough losses, for NJ teams at NAL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you were in Delaware this weekend you know the truth about coaches watching these teams (big difference b/w the teams by the way), and if you're kid actually plays on these teams you know the truth about commits/injuries/missing players/coaching/reclasses/politics, and side payments (yes, that is a rumor mill item now) that impact play.

If you weren't actually in DE and are just relying on Tourney Machine and your animonsity of other teams to form poor opinions, the below is for you:

- BBL 2022 only had 14 kids playing and missing key players. Hard to beat teams in such a deep and quality field without a full team, Solid performance despite the missing pieces
- LE 2023 had at least 40+ coaches including most top 10 programs watching their 2 games today despite the losses, tons of talent on the field just not the chemistry needed to win consistently. There will be many more recruited than you think.
-The other 2 NJ 2023 teams had significantly fewer coaches watching despite some talented players on both teams. Even some of the recent 2022s reclassed didn't move the needle a lot to produce wins on the BBL 2023 team. Talent doesn't always equal wins.
- LE 2022 does not have 10-15 uncommitted players, the person that said 5-6 is correct and most have offers and are waiting for the dust to settle from this weekend
- For now, BBL 2024 is still the best 2024 team in NJ. We'll see how a year of real HS playing time for other teams impacts this going forward.
- For those complaining about the coaches being the problem, good and elite players are formed from 1. a combination of player commitment to improving on their own time, 2. their club quality and experience (playing with and against top-notch players), 3. The quality and culture of their HS/town programs, 4. their own physical development (some have grown and some haven't), and 5. confidence level and willingness to become an alpha on teams of alpha players. If the team is underperforming (LE 2024 as an example), the players better start with number one on this list before blaming someone else and if the Coach isn't playing your son, you should consider moving to a different team because that is unlikely to change. Standing on the sideline of a great team won't give you visibility to recruiters or film.

I was at the LE 2023 games. There were not 40 coaches watching. And if they were, it would have been a bad day for that to happen.

Do you have any idea what coaches are looking at?
Tillman was at 3 different LE games, Tiffany was there, Yale & Duke coaches at two games & West Point had a coach at 4 out of the 5. Dartmouth was at 3 games. They can't all be looking at the same 5 kids.
If the LE 2023s are so bad then why did they keep coming back? Are you saying there were no other games at the same time?
I can't explain it, the team looked really bad this weekend. We can make excuses about the girl that was walking around that they all keep talking about or they were exhausted from the summer. Regardless the coaches were there and keep coming back.

Maybe they are there to watch the other team you are playing?

Do you have any idea what coaches are looking at?
Tillman was at 3 different LE games, Tiffany was there, Yale & Duke coaches at two games & West Point had a coach at 4 out of the 5. Dartmouth was at 3 games. They can't all be looking at the same 5 kids.
If the LE 2023s are so bad then why did they keep coming back? Are you saying there were no other games at the same time?
I can't explain it, the team looked really bad this weekend. We can make excuses about the girl that was walking around that they all keep talking about or they were exhausted from the summer. Regardless the coaches were there and keep coming back.[/quote]

I’m not sure where you are going with this. The coaches will watch Leading Edge because they have a strong history of recruits. But if the coaches watch a crappy product on the field they won’t recruit them. And, yes, coaches will go watch for the same 5 kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you were in Delaware this weekend you know the truth about coaches watching these teams (big difference b/w the teams by the way), and if you're kid actually plays on these teams you know the truth about commits/injuries/missing players/coaching/reclasses/politics, and side payments (yes, that is a rumor mill item now) that impact play.

If you weren't actually in DE and are just relying on Tourney Machine and your animonsity of other teams to form poor opinions, the below is for you:

- BBL 2022 only had 14 kids playing and missing key players. Hard to beat teams in such a deep and quality field without a full team, Solid performance despite the missing pieces
- LE 2023 had at least 40+ coaches including most top 10 programs watching their 2 games today despite the losses, tons of talent on the field just not the chemistry needed to win consistently. There will be many more recruited than you think.
-The other 2 NJ 2023 teams had significantly fewer coaches watching despite some talented players on both teams. Even some of the recent 2022s reclassed didn't move the needle a lot to produce wins on the BBL 2023 team. Talent doesn't always equal wins.
- LE 2022 does not have 10-15 uncommitted players, the person that said 5-6 is correct and most have offers and are waiting for the dust to settle from this weekend
- For now, BBL 2024 is still the best 2024 team in NJ. We'll see how a year of real HS playing time for other teams impacts this going forward.
- For those complaining about the coaches being the problem, good and elite players are formed from 1. a combination of player commitment to improving on their own time, 2. their club quality and experience (playing with and against top-notch players), 3. The quality and culture of their HS/town programs, 4. their own physical development (some have grown and some haven't), and 5. confidence level and willingness to become an alpha on teams of alpha players. If the team is underperforming (LE 2024 as an example), the players better start with number one on this list before blaming someone else and if the Coach isn't playing your son, you should consider moving to a different team because that is unlikely to change. Standing on the sideline of a great team won't give you visibility to recruiters or film.

I was at the LE 2023 games. There were not 40 coaches watching. And if they were, it would have been a bad day for that to happen.

Do you have any idea what coaches are looking at?
Tillman was at 3 different LE games, Tiffany was there, Yale & Duke coaches at two games & West Point had a coach at 4 out of the 5. Dartmouth was at 3 games. They can't all be looking at the same 5 kids.
If the LE 2023s are so bad then why did they keep coming back? Are you saying there were no other games at the same time?
I can't explain it, the team looked really bad this weekend. We can make excuses about the girl that was walking around that they all keep talking about or they were exhausted from the summer. Regardless the coaches were there and keep coming back.

Maybe they are there to watch the other team you are playing?

Exactly, why would any coaches have interest. I'm sure they only wanted to see LE over and over again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you were in Delaware this weekend you know the truth about coaches watching these teams (big difference b/w the teams by the way), and if you're kid actually plays on these teams you know the truth about commits/injuries/missing players/coaching/reclasses/politics, and side payments (yes, that is a rumor mill item now) that impact play.

If you weren't actually in DE and are just relying on Tourney Machine and your animonsity of other teams to form poor opinions, the below is for you:

- BBL 2022 only had 14 kids playing and missing key players. Hard to beat teams in such a deep and quality field without a full team, Solid performance despite the missing pieces
- LE 2023 had at least 40+ coaches including most top 10 programs watching their 2 games today despite the losses, tons of talent on the field just not the chemistry needed to win consistently. There will be many more recruited than you think.
-The other 2 NJ 2023 teams had significantly fewer coaches watching despite some talented players on both teams. Even some of the recent 2022s reclassed didn't move the needle a lot to produce wins on the BBL 2023 team. Talent doesn't always equal wins.
- LE 2022 does not have 10-15 uncommitted players, the person that said 5-6 is correct and most have offers and are waiting for the dust to settle from this weekend
- For now, BBL 2024 is still the best 2024 team in NJ. We'll see how a year of real HS playing time for other teams impacts this going forward.
- For those complaining about the coaches being the problem, good and elite players are formed from 1. a combination of player commitment to improving on their own time, 2. their club quality and experience (playing with and against top-notch players), 3. The quality and culture of their HS/town programs, 4. their own physical development (some have grown and some haven't), and 5. confidence level and willingness to become an alpha on teams of alpha players. If the team is underperforming (LE 2024 as an example), the players better start with number one on this list before blaming someone else and if the Coach isn't playing your son, you should consider moving to a different team because that is unlikely to change. Standing on the sideline of a great team won't give you visibility to recruiters or film.

I was at the LE 2023 games. There were not 40 coaches watching. And if they were, it would have been a bad day for that to happen.

Do you have any idea what coaches are looking at?
Tillman was at 3 different LE games, Tiffany was there, Yale & Duke coaches at two games & West Point had a coach at 4 out of the 5. Dartmouth was at 3 games. They can't all be looking at the same 5 kids.
If the LE 2023s are so bad then why did they keep coming back? Are you saying there were no other games at the same time?
I can't explain it, the team looked really bad this weekend. We can make excuses about the girl that was walking around that they all keep talking about or they were exhausted from the summer. Regardless the coaches were there and keep coming back.

Oh, so you’re “that dad”. You keep tabs on all the coaches on the sideline. Do you stand over their shoulder to read what they are writing down too?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you were in Delaware this weekend you know the truth about coaches watching these teams (big difference b/w the teams by the way), and if you're kid actually plays on these teams you know the truth about commits/injuries/missing players/coaching/reclasses/politics, and side payments (yes, that is a rumor mill item now) that impact play.

If you weren't actually in DE and are just relying on Tourney Machine and your animonsity of other teams to form poor opinions, the below is for you:

- BBL 2022 only had 14 kids playing and missing key players. Hard to beat teams in such a deep and quality field without a full team, Solid performance despite the missing pieces
- LE 2023 had at least 40+ coaches including most top 10 programs watching their 2 games today despite the losses, tons of talent on the field just not the chemistry needed to win consistently. There will be many more recruited than you think.
-The other 2 NJ 2023 teams had significantly fewer coaches watching despite some talented players on both teams. Even some of the recent 2022s reclassed didn't move the needle a lot to produce wins on the BBL 2023 team. Talent doesn't always equal wins.
- LE 2022 does not have 10-15 uncommitted players, the person that said 5-6 is correct and most have offers and are waiting for the dust to settle from this weekend
- For now, BBL 2024 is still the best 2024 team in NJ. We'll see how a year of real HS playing time for other teams impacts this going forward.
- For those complaining about the coaches being the problem, good and elite players are formed from 1. a combination of player commitment to improving on their own time, 2. their club quality and experience (playing with and against top-notch players), 3. The quality and culture of their HS/town programs, 4. their own physical development (some have grown and some haven't), and 5. confidence level and willingness to become an alpha on teams of alpha players. If the team is underperforming (LE 2024 as an example), the players better start with number one on this list before blaming someone else and if the Coach isn't playing your son, you should consider moving to a different team because that is unlikely to change. Standing on the sideline of a great team won't give you visibility to recruiters or film.

I was at the LE 2023 games. There were not 40 coaches watching. And if they were, it would have been a bad day for that to happen.

Do you have any idea what coaches are looking at?
Tillman was at 3 different LE games, Tiffany was there, Yale & Duke coaches at two games & West Point had a coach at 4 out of the 5. Dartmouth was at 3 games. They can't all be looking at the same 5 kids.
If the LE 2023s are so bad then why did they keep coming back? Are you saying there were no other games at the same time?
I can't explain it, the team looked really bad this weekend. We can make excuses about the girl that was walking around that they all keep talking about or they were exhausted from the summer. Regardless the coaches were there and keep coming back.

Maybe they are there to watch the other team you are playing?

Exactly, why would any coaches have interest. I'm sure they only wanted to see LE over and over again.

Not sure why the prior post was edited, it simply listed the teams that LE played this weekend after "interest" in support of the probability that coaches may have been at LE games to see the other teams as well. Are the LE cancellation gremlins in this forum as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you were in Delaware this weekend you know the truth about coaches watching these teams (big difference b/w the teams by the way), and if you're kid actually plays on these teams you know the truth about commits/injuries/missing players/coaching/reclasses/politics, and side payments (yes, that is a rumor mill item now) that impact play.

If you weren't actually in DE and are just relying on Tourney Machine and your animonsity of other teams to form poor opinions, the below is for you:

- BBL 2022 only had 14 kids playing and missing key players. Hard to beat teams in such a deep and quality field without a full team, Solid performance despite the missing pieces
- LE 2023 had at least 40+ coaches including most top 10 programs watching their 2 games today despite the losses, tons of talent on the field just not the chemistry needed to win consistently. There will be many more recruited than you think.
-The other 2 NJ 2023 teams had significantly fewer coaches watching despite some talented players on both teams. Even some of the recent 2022s reclassed didn't move the needle a lot to produce wins on the BBL 2023 team. Talent doesn't always equal wins.
- LE 2022 does not have 10-15 uncommitted players, the person that said 5-6 is correct and most have offers and are waiting for the dust to settle from this weekend
- For now, BBL 2024 is still the best 2024 team in NJ. We'll see how a year of real HS playing time for other teams impacts this going forward.
- For those complaining about the coaches being the problem, good and elite players are formed from 1. a combination of player commitment to improving on their own time, 2. their club quality and experience (playing with and against top-notch players), 3. The quality and culture of their HS/town programs, 4. their own physical development (some have grown and some haven't), and 5. confidence level and willingness to become an alpha on teams of alpha players. If the team is underperforming (LE 2024 as an example), the players better start with number one on this list before blaming someone else and if the Coach isn't playing your son, you should consider moving to a different team because that is unlikely to change. Standing on the sideline of a great team won't give you visibility to recruiters or film.

I was at the LE 2023 games. There were not 40 coaches watching. And if they were, it would have been a bad day for that to happen.

Do you have any idea what coaches are looking at?
Tillman was at 3 different LE games, Tiffany was there, Yale & Duke coaches at two games & West Point had a coach at 4 out of the 5. Dartmouth was at 3 games. They can't all be looking at the same 5 kids.
If the LE 2023s are so bad then why did they keep coming back? Are you saying there were no other games at the same time?
I can't explain it, the team looked really bad this weekend. We can make excuses about the girl that was walking around that they all keep talking about or they were exhausted from the summer. Regardless the coaches were there and keep coming back.

Oh, so you’re “that dad”. You keep tabs on all the coaches on the sideline. Do you stand over their shoulder to read what they are writing down too?

Your post sounds like a 2024 or 2025 player.
I'll answer anyway. No, I'm not "that dad" totally the opposite. I stand as far away as possible, the only reason I know they are there is because they walk when they leave.
I'm asking the question. Why are they there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you were in Delaware this weekend you know the truth about coaches watching these teams (big difference b/w the teams by the way), and if you're kid actually plays on these teams you know the truth about commits/injuries/missing players/coaching/reclasses/politics, and side payments (yes, that is a rumor mill item now) that impact play.

If you weren't actually in DE and are just relying on Tourney Machine and your animonsity of other teams to form poor opinions, the below is for you:

- BBL 2022 only had 14 kids playing and missing key players. Hard to beat teams in such a deep and quality field without a full team, Solid performance despite the missing pieces
- LE 2023 had at least 40+ coaches including most top 10 programs watching their 2 games today despite the losses, tons of talent on the field just not the chemistry needed to win consistently. There will be many more recruited than you think.
-The other 2 NJ 2023 teams had significantly fewer coaches watching despite some talented players on both teams. Even some of the recent 2022s reclassed didn't move the needle a lot to produce wins on the BBL 2023 team. Talent doesn't always equal wins.
- LE 2022 does not have 10-15 uncommitted players, the person that said 5-6 is correct and most have offers and are waiting for the dust to settle from this weekend
- For now, BBL 2024 is still the best 2024 team in NJ. We'll see how a year of real HS playing time for other teams impacts this going forward.
- For those complaining about the coaches being the problem, good and elite players are formed from 1. a combination of player commitment to improving on their own time, 2. their club quality and experience (playing with and against top-notch players), 3. The quality and culture of their HS/town programs, 4. their own physical development (some have grown and some haven't), and 5. confidence level and willingness to become an alpha on teams of alpha players. If the team is underperforming (LE 2024 as an example), the players better start with number one on this list before blaming someone else and if the Coach isn't playing your son, you should consider moving to a different team because that is unlikely to change. Standing on the sideline of a great team won't give you visibility to recruiters or film.

I was at the LE 2023 games. There were not 40 coaches watching. And if they were, it would have been a bad day for that to happen.

Do you have any idea what coaches are looking at?
Tillman was at 3 different LE games, Tiffany was there, Yale & Duke coaches at two games & West Point had a coach at 4 out of the 5. Dartmouth was at 3 games. They can't all be looking at the same 5 kids.
If the LE 2023s are so bad then why did they keep coming back? Are you saying there were no other games at the same time?
I can't explain it, the team looked really bad this weekend. We can make excuses about the girl that was walking around that they all keep talking about or they were exhausted from the summer. Regardless the coaches were there and keep coming back.

Maybe they are there to watch the other team you are playing?

Exactly, why would any coaches have interest. I'm sure they only wanted to see LE over and over again.

Not sure why the prior post was edited, it simply listed the teams that LE played this weekend after "interest" in support of the probability that coaches may have been at LE games to see the other teams as well. Are the LE cancellation gremlins in this forum as well.

Tillman was planning his day, I want to watch these 3 teams play against LE because they are my baseline. Really!

Tillman was planning his day, I want to watch these 3 teams play against LE because they are my baseline. Really![/quote]

This is just an absurd discussion for many reasons. It's amazing how a ridiculous post about NJ teams morphed into a who's watching what games discussion. If anybody thinks that guys like Tillman or Tiffany were planning their day around LE, they are nuts. For the most part, they are looking at specific kids, not a club, and I imagine that on occasion they stumble across an under the radar kid. Go to a prospect day, these coaches will be very honest and tell you how many kids they actively pursue in any given year, the number is surprisingly low.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tillman was planning his day, I want to watch these 3 teams play against LE because they are my baseline. Really!

This is just an absurd discussion for many reasons. It's amazing how a ridiculous post about NJ teams morphed into a who's watching what games discussion. If anybody thinks that guys like Tillman or Tiffany were planning their day around LE, they are nuts. For the most part, they are looking at specific kids, not a club, and I imagine that on occasion they stumble across an under the radar kid. Go to a prospect day, these coaches will be very honest and tell you how many kids they actively pursue in any given year, the number is surprisingly low.[/quote]

Agree with the first part of your post. There are too many kids to watch, especially at an NAL tournament, to follow one team around.

I disagree with the remainder of what you’ve said. In today’s recruiting landscape, college coaches have to have an even bigger list of prospects than before. The floodgates open on September 1st, even during covid kids were committed within days. They’ll formulate A,B,C etc. lists and scout out a good amount of players. Even if the top 10% of players on a team drew them to the game, those will not be the only players they have notes on!

On the note of prospect days, be wary. They are money makers for the assistants and support staff. It is a great way to get in front of a desired school but they do want to have a full camp. A good club coach/director should be in touch with the coach and be able to gauge their level of interest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tillman was planning his day, I want to watch these 3 teams play against LE because they are my baseline. Really!

This is just an absurd discussion for many reasons. It's amazing how a ridiculous post about NJ teams morphed into a who's watching what games discussion. If anybody thinks that guys like Tillman or Tiffany were planning their day around LE, they are nuts. For the most part, they are looking at specific kids, not a club, and I imagine that on occasion they stumble across an under the radar kid. Go to a prospect day, these coaches will be very honest and tell you how many kids they actively pursue in any given year, the number is surprisingly low.

Agree with the first part of your post. There are too many kids to watch, especially at an NAL tournament, to follow one team around.

I disagree with the remainder of what you’ve said. In today’s recruiting landscape, college coaches have to have an even bigger list of prospects than before. The floodgates open on September 1st, even during covid kids were committed within days. They’ll formulate A,B,C etc. lists and scout out a good amount of players. Even if the top 10% of players on a team drew them to the game, those will not be the only players they have notes on!

On the note of prospect days, be wary. They are money makers for the assistants and support staff. It is a great way to get in front of a desired school but they do want to have a full camp. A good club coach/director should be in touch with the coach and be able to gauge their level of interest.[/quote]

I certainly respect the response, but the info about the number of kids that top schools actively recruit came from the coach of a top 10 program, just passing along what was relayed to the kids. I do not doubt that they scout and rank a ton of kids, but but actively recruiting a kid is much different.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tillman was planning his day, I want to watch these 3 teams play against LE because they are my baseline. Really!

This is just an absurd discussion for many reasons. It's amazing how a ridiculous post about NJ teams morphed into a who's watching what games discussion. If anybody thinks that guys like Tillman or Tiffany were planning their day around LE, they are nuts. For the most part, they are looking at specific kids, not a club, and I imagine that on occasion they stumble across an under the radar kid. Go to a prospect day, these coaches will be very honest and tell you how many kids they actively pursue in any given year, the number is surprisingly low.

Agree with the first part of your post. There are too many kids to watch, especially at an NAL tournament, to follow one team around.

I disagree with the remainder of what you’ve said. In today’s recruiting landscape, college coaches have to have an even bigger list of prospects than before. The floodgates open on September 1st, even during covid kids were committed within days. They’ll formulate A,B,C etc. lists and scout out a good amount of players. Even if the top 10% of players on a team drew them to the game, those will not be the only players they have notes on!

On the note of prospect days, be wary. They are money makers for the assistants and support staff. It is a great way to get in front of a desired school but they do want to have a full camp. A good club coach/director should be in touch with the coach and be able to gauge their level of interest.

I certainly respect the response, but the info about the number of kids that top schools actively recruit came from the coach of a top 10 program, just passing along what was relayed to the kids. I do not doubt that they scout and rank a ton of kids, but but actively recruiting a kid is much different.[/quote]

Simply out of curiosity, what number was relayed to the kids and how recently? I would imagine that number gets larger as you move down the rankings from the top 10 programs, but this is purely conjecture.

You’re definitely correct that the number of kids they take time to get to know personally on visits and actively pursue is much lower. I sometimes think the fluidity and subjectivity of the process is understated, especially here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tillman was planning his day, I want to watch these 3 teams play against LE because they are my baseline. Really!

This is just an absurd discussion for many reasons. It's amazing how a ridiculous post about NJ teams morphed into a who's watching what games discussion. If anybody thinks that guys like Tillman or Tiffany were planning their day around LE, they are nuts. For the most part, they are looking at specific kids, not a club, and I imagine that on occasion they stumble across an under the radar kid. Go to a prospect day, these coaches will be very honest and tell you how many kids they actively pursue in any given year, the number is surprisingly low.

Agree with the first part of your post. There are too many kids to watch, especially at an NAL tournament, to follow one team around.

I disagree with the remainder of what you’ve said. In today’s recruiting landscape, college coaches have to have an even bigger list of prospects than before. The floodgates open on September 1st, even during covid kids were committed within days. They’ll formulate A,B,C etc. lists and scout out a good amount of players. Even if the top 10% of players on a team drew them to the game, those will not be the only players they have notes on!

On the note of prospect days, be wary. They are money makers for the assistants and support staff. It is a great way to get in front of a desired school but they do want to have a full camp. A good club coach/director should be in touch with the coach and be able to gauge their level of interest.

I certainly respect the response, but the info about the number of kids that top schools actively recruit came from the coach of a top 10 program, just passing along what was relayed to the kids. I do not doubt that they scout and rank a ton of kids, but but actively recruiting a kid is much different.

Simply out of curiosity, what number was relayed to the kids and how recently? I would imagine that number gets larger as you move down the rankings from the top 10 programs, but this is purely conjecture.

You’re definitely correct that the number of kids they take time to get to know personally on visits and actively pursue is much lower. I sometimes think the fluidity and subjectivity of the process is understated, especially here.[/quote]

It was a recent prospect camp, and surprisingly, you could count on one hand, and you didn't need every finger, the number of kids that they were really targeting. I have also been told that they dig pretty deep in order to really get to know a kid, outside of lacrosse ability and grades, they also focus on the family, they don't want a kid who's parents will be a pain in the butt for four years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tillman was planning his day, I want to watch these 3 teams play against LE because they are my baseline. Really!

This is just an absurd discussion for many reasons. It's amazing how a ridiculous post about NJ teams morphed into a who's watching what games discussion. If anybody thinks that guys like Tillman or Tiffany were planning their day around LE, they are nuts. For the most part, they are looking at specific kids, not a club, and I imagine that on occasion they stumble across an under the radar kid. Go to a prospect day, these coaches will be very honest and tell you how many kids they actively pursue in any given year, the number is surprisingly low.

Agree with the first part of your post. There are too many kids to watch, especially at an NAL tournament, to follow one team around.

I disagree with the remainder of what you’ve said. In today’s recruiting landscape, college coaches have to have an even bigger list of prospects than before. The floodgates open on September 1st, even during covid kids were committed within days. They’ll formulate A,B,C etc. lists and scout out a good amount of players. Even if the top 10% of players on a team drew them to the game, those will not be the only players they have notes on!

On the note of prospect days, be wary. They are money makers for the assistants and support staff. It is a great way to get in front of a desired school but they do want to have a full camp. A good club coach/director should be in touch with the coach and be able to gauge their level of interest.

I certainly respect the response, but the info about the number of kids that top schools actively recruit came from the coach of a top 10 program, just passing along what was relayed to the kids. I do not doubt that they scout and rank a ton of kids, but but actively recruiting a kid is much different.

Simply out of curiosity, what number was relayed to the kids and how recently? I would imagine that number gets larger as you move down the rankings from the top 10 programs, but this is purely conjecture.

You’re definitely correct that the number of kids they take time to get to know personally on visits and actively pursue is much lower. I sometimes think the fluidity and subjectivity of the process is understated, especially here.

It was a recent prospect camp, and surprisingly, you could count on one hand, and you didn't need every finger, the number of kids that they were really targeting. I have also been told that they dig pretty deep in order to really get to know a kid, outside of lacrosse ability and grades, they also focus on the family, they don't want a kid who's parents will be a pain in the butt for four years.[/quote]

I don’t follow, schools bring in roughly ten kids a year depending on need. How are they targeting less than that? The deep dive makes sense, after all their selections decide their success.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you were in Delaware this weekend you know the truth about coaches watching these teams (big difference b/w the teams by the way), and if you're kid actually plays on these teams you know the truth about commits/injuries/missing players/coaching/reclasses/politics, and side payments (yes, that is a rumor mill item now) that impact play.

If you weren't actually in DE and are just relying on Tourney Machine and your animonsity of other teams to form poor opinions, the below is for you:

- BBL 2022 only had 14 kids playing and missing key players. Hard to beat teams in such a deep and quality field without a full team, Solid performance despite the missing pieces
- LE 2023 had at least 40+ coaches including most top 10 programs watching their 2 games today despite the losses, tons of talent on the field just not the chemistry needed to win consistently. There will be many more recruited than you think.
-The other 2 NJ 2023 teams had significantly fewer coaches watching despite some talented players on both teams. Even some of the recent 2022s reclassed didn't move the needle a lot to produce wins on the BBL 2023 team. Talent doesn't always equal wins.
- LE 2022 does not have 10-15 uncommitted players, the person that said 5-6 is correct and most have offers and are waiting for the dust to settle from this weekend
- For now, BBL 2024 is still the best 2024 team in NJ. We'll see how a year of real HS playing time for other teams impacts this going forward.
- For those complaining about the coaches being the problem, good and elite players are formed from 1. a combination of player commitment to improving on their own time, 2. their club quality and experience (playing with and against top-notch players), 3. The quality and culture of their HS/town programs, 4. their own physical development (some have grown and some haven't), and 5. confidence level and willingness to become an alpha on teams of alpha players. If the team is underperforming (LE 2024 as an example), the players better start with number one on this list before blaming someone else and if the Coach isn't playing your son, you should consider moving to a different team because that is unlikely to change. Standing on the sideline of a great team won't give you visibility to recruiters or film.

I was at the LE 2023 games. There were not 40 coaches watching. And if they were, it would have been a bad day for that to happen.

Do you have any idea what coaches are looking at?
Tillman was at 3 different LE games, Tiffany was there, Yale & Duke coaches at two games & West Point had a coach at 4 out of the 5. Dartmouth was at 3 games. They can't all be looking at the same 5 kids.
If the LE 2023s are so bad then why did they keep coming back? Are you saying there were no other games at the same time?
I can't explain it, the team looked really bad this weekend. We can make excuses about the girl that was walking around that they all keep talking about or they were exhausted from the summer. Regardless the coaches were there and keep coming back.

Oh, so you’re “that dad”. You keep tabs on all the coaches on the sideline. Do you stand over their shoulder to read what they are writing down too?

Your post sounds like a 2024 or 2025 player.
I'll answer anyway. No, I'm not "that dad" totally the opposite. I stand as far away as possible, the only reason I know they are there is because they walk when they leave.
I'm asking the question. Why are they there?

They are there to look at the 2-3 kids they want.

I don’t follow, schools bring in roughly ten kids a year depending on need. How are they targeting less than that? The deep dive makes sense, after all their selections decide their success.[/quote]

I wish that I could give you more insight. What I would like to know is how the transfer portal factors into filling out their need, i.e. do they put more weight on a portal kid to fill a spot as opposed to an incoming freshman. Seems like it would be a lot easier to get a transfer into a school, assuming that they meet the academic requirements.

Brady’s Bunch is squeezing in a camp in New Jersey this weekend & we hope you can make it!

We are heading to New Jersey for a 3-day Lax-n-Life event!

All boys, 2028-2021’s, are invited!

This is a NOT-TO-BE-MISSED training weekend!

Come learn from the best in the game today!

Drills will be lead by Brady’s Bunch Lacrosse staff along with PLL & MLL friends.

As Brady’s Bunch Lacrosse is about so much more than lacrosse - The whole weekend is in honor of and dedicated to all the kiddos in the area dealing with a cancer diagnosis.

Please see below for more information – even those that cannot attend can contribute & be a part of this!

When -

July 30 – Aug 1 (Note – Friday the 30thwill be MVP’s only. More about this below.)

Where -

St. Joseph’s High School

145 Plainfield Ave

Metuchen, NJ 08840

Weekend Schedule –

Friday 7/30

Check-in 6:15-7pm

Intro 7-7:25

Stretch 7:30-7:45

Full Pads on field 7:45-9:15pm – This MVP session will be position specific. Players will work in small groups working on their position with the pros!

Note - Friday evening drills are for MVP registrants only. However, others can come to the check-in & pick-up uniforms if you want.

Saturday 7/31

Check-in 9:15-10am

Intro 10-10:30

Stretch 10:30-10:40

Drills/Stations w/ full pads 10:45-12:45

Lunch 12:45-1:30

On field w/ Full Pads 1:45-3:45

Sunday 8/1

Stretch 9:30-9:40am

On field w/ Full Pads 9:45-12:00pm

Cost –

$285 + 1 Gift Card – 2 days of high-level lacrosse! Saturday & Sunday ONLY

$384 + 1 Gift Card – Saturday & Sunday + Friday evening! MVP’s get an additional session with the pros! MVP’s will concentrate on their specific position.

Gift Cards – Each player attending Lax-n-Life New Jersey must bring a gift card to donate upon check-in and to receive your pinnie. Gift cards must be a minimum of $20 & from a national merchant. Big box stores (Wal-Mart or Target), gas, restaurants, Visa, & Amazon cards are a few examples – but really any are appreciated! Please just make sure your donation card is from a national chain.

Being a part of Brady’s Bunch is about so much more than what happens on the field. The mission of Brady’s Bunch is to spread awareness of pediatric cancer and to help families battling a diagnosis. Brady’s journey began at Phoenix Children’s Hospital. He went through years of treatment there including both of his transplants. Throughout this time, we learned firsthand the hardships that a family faces when a child is fighting a life-threatening illness. Gift cards are an easy way that we can all chip in a little to help others!

All gift cards donated will be donated to the oncology child life department at Children’s Hospital of New Jersey. They will then gift cards to patients visiting clinic for life saving treatments.

Registration –

To register and reserve your spot for this Lax-n-Life Clinic, use the following link…

https://bradysbunchlacrosse.sportngin.com/register/form/001011476

When registering, you will choose between 2 options – with the MVP upgrade ($384) or without ($285).

Extras –

Everyone is welcomed to share in this event with us and help patients and their families that are dealing with pediatric cancer. If you cannot make the camp but wish to contribute, you can send gift cards to –

Brady’s Bunch Lacrosse
3 Randy Rd.
Framingham, MA 01701

Please also feel free to share this with friends that would want to send some love to the many patients fighting for their life right now!

The email entered on the registration is where all correspondence will be sent between now and the clinic weekend. Be sure to enter an email you regularly check.

We are so excited for this event! And we look forward to sending some love & support with you to the patients and their families at the Children’s Hospital of New Jersey! Please feel free to contact Mike with any questions – he can reached at 602-819-0828 or mwein@bradysbunchlacrosse.org

Brady's Bunch Lacrosse

www.bradysbunchlacrosse.org

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t follow, schools bring in roughly ten kids a year depending on need. How are they targeting less than that? The deep dive makes sense, after all their selections decide their success.

I wish that I could give you more insight. What I would like to know is how the transfer portal factors into filling out their need, i.e. do they put more weight on a portal kid to fill a spot as opposed to an incoming freshman. Seems like it would be a lot easier to get a transfer into a school, assuming that they meet the academic requirements.[/quote]

Some schools are less likely to take transfers due to cultural fit, but I think most have a hard time passing up on the opportunity to bring in talent. Even the #1 recruit in high school hasn't proven themselves on the field.

But remember its not just transfers taking those spots. Every kid was granted an extra year in 2020. Schools will have less kids leaving which I think will equate to bringing less in. My guess, spots will become more scarce for current recruiting classes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brady’s Bunch is squeezing in a camp in New Jersey this weekend & we hope you can make it!

We are heading to New Jersey for a 3-day Lax-n-Life event!

All boys, 2028-2021’s, are invited!

This is a NOT-TO-BE-MISSED training weekend!

Come learn from the best in the game today!

Drills will be lead by Brady’s Bunch Lacrosse staff along with PLL & MLL friends.

As Brady’s Bunch Lacrosse is about so much more than lacrosse - The whole weekend is in honor of and dedicated to all the kiddos in the area dealing with a cancer diagnosis.

Please see below for more information – even those that cannot attend can contribute & be a part of this!

When -

July 30 – Aug 1 (Note – Friday the 30thwill be MVP’s only. More about this below.)

Where -

St. Joseph’s High School

145 Plainfield Ave

Metuchen, NJ 08840

Weekend Schedule –

Friday 7/30

Check-in 6:15-7pm

Intro 7-7:25

Stretch 7:30-7:45

Full Pads on field 7:45-9:15pm – This MVP session will be position specific. Players will work in small groups working on their position with the pros!

Note - Friday evening drills are for MVP registrants only. However, others can come to the check-in & pick-up uniforms if you want.

Saturday 7/31

Check-in 9:15-10am

Intro 10-10:30

Stretch 10:30-10:40

Drills/Stations w/ full pads 10:45-12:45

Lunch 12:45-1:30

On field w/ Full Pads 1:45-3:45

Sunday 8/1

Stretch 9:30-9:40am

On field w/ Full Pads 9:45-12:00pm

Cost –

$285 + 1 Gift Card – 2 days of high-level lacrosse! Saturday & Sunday ONLY

$384 + 1 Gift Card – Saturday & Sunday + Friday evening! MVP’s get an additional session with the pros! MVP’s will concentrate on their specific position.

Gift Cards – Each player attending Lax-n-Life New Jersey must bring a gift card to donate upon check-in and to receive your pinnie. Gift cards must be a minimum of $20 & from a national merchant. Big box stores (Wal-Mart or Target), gas, restaurants, Visa, & Amazon cards are a few examples – but really any are appreciated! Please just make sure your donation card is from a national chain.

Being a part of Brady’s Bunch is about so much more than what happens on the field. The mission of Brady’s Bunch is to spread awareness of pediatric cancer and to help families battling a diagnosis. Brady’s journey began at Phoenix Children’s Hospital. He went through years of treatment there including both of his transplants. Throughout this time, we learned firsthand the hardships that a family faces when a child is fighting a life-threatening illness. Gift cards are an easy way that we can all chip in a little to help others!

All gift cards donated will be donated to the oncology child life department at Children’s Hospital of New Jersey. They will then gift cards to patients visiting clinic for life saving treatments.

Registration –

To register and reserve your spot for this Lax-n-Life Clinic, use the following link…

https://bradysbunchlacrosse.sportngin.com/register/form/001011476

When registering, you will choose between 2 options – with the MVP upgrade ($384) or without ($285).

Extras –

Everyone is welcomed to share in this event with us and help patients and their families that are dealing with pediatric cancer. If you cannot make the camp but wish to contribute, you can send gift cards to –

Brady’s Bunch Lacrosse
3 Randy Rd.
Framingham, MA 01701

Please also feel free to share this with friends that would want to send some love to the many patients fighting for their life right now!

The email entered on the registration is where all correspondence will be sent between now and the clinic weekend. Be sure to enter an email you regularly check.

We are so excited for this event! And we look forward to sending some love & support with you to the patients and their families at the Children’s Hospital of New Jersey! Please feel free to contact Mike with any questions – he can reached at 602-819-0828 or mwein@bradysbunchlacrosse.org

Brady's Bunch Lacrosse

www.bradysbunchlacrosse.org

Great cause. Good luck!!

I have a question related to scouting. Does anyone know if there were D1 scouts at the NXT Summer Invitational in Philly and an event like Summer Slam for the 2023's this year. I know they were at Pinnacle, NLF, Naptown and NAL, just curious about the other events.

I was at NXT Summer Invitational with a B level 2023 program. There were D1 coaches there - I saw Michigan and Harvard amongst others. Most of the coaches appeared to be watching the 2022 games . . . and I suppose some of the higher level 2023 games. Same applies to Liberty Elite Classic in DE and Baltimore Summer Kickoff.

Thanks for the response. If anyone has any other info feel free post (without comparing the other events to the big ones we all know about)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a question related to scouting. Does anyone know if there were D1 scouts at the NXT Summer Invitational in Philly and an event like Summer Slam for the 2023's this year. I know they were at Pinnacle, NLF, Naptown and NAL, just curious about the other events.

Yes, they were at the NXT Summer invitational. Not sure what other age groups they were watching, but quite a few attended the 2023 games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t follow, schools bring in roughly ten kids a year depending on need. How are they targeting less than that? The deep dive makes sense, after all their selections decide their success.

I wish that I could give you more insight. What I would like to know is how the transfer portal factors into filling out their need, i.e. do they put more weight on a portal kid to fill a spot as opposed to an incoming freshman. Seems like it would be a lot easier to get a transfer into a school, assuming that they meet the academic requirements.

Some schools are less likely to take transfers due to cultural fit, but I think most have a hard time passing up on the opportunity to bring in talent. Even the #1 recruit in high school hasn't proven themselves on the field.

But remember its not just transfers taking those spots. Every kid was granted an extra year in 2020. Schools will have less kids leaving which I think will equate to bringing less in. My guess, spots will become more scarce for current recruiting classes.[/quote]

This is definitely going to impact recruiting, but as well all know, most of these kids are not playing for free, so staying for another year for a dead end sport can get pretty expensive. Probably more of a factor for D1 programs as opposed to D3, the D3 kids that seem intent on staying are mostly top players at the D3 level that try and make a run at a D1 program.

There is now Mad 2 Dog North teams/4 BBL Teams/4 Team 91 teams. As well as a ton of other clubs. New clubs seem to be openign up every day.
When will the bubble burst on these teams? I love how they claim to be having tryouts for these type of teams and clubs. Other than LE, BBL Black most of these teams are begging for players and not cutting anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is now Mad 2 Dog North teams/4 BBL Teams/4 Team 91 teams. As well as a ton of other clubs. New clubs seem to be openign up every day.
When will the bubble burst on these teams? I love how they claim to be having tryouts for these type of teams and clubs. Other than LE, BBL Black most of these teams are begging for players and not cutting anyone.

It's going to be a rude awakening for some of these clubs...While I think that the United merger was a good play for BBL, their other satellite teams, along with the others listed above, will have a short shelf life. If this expansion doesn't play out for BBL and their reputation is tarnished as a result, the real risk could be kids leaving the Black teams as well, just look at what the exit of a few 2023's did to that team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is now Mad 2 Dog North teams/4 BBL Teams/4 Team 91 teams. As well as a ton of other clubs. New clubs seem to be openign up every day.
When will the bubble burst on these teams? I love how they claim to be having tryouts for these type of teams and clubs. Other than LE, BBL Black most of these teams are begging for players and not cutting anyone.

It's going to be a rude awakening for some of these clubs...While I think that the United merger was a good play for BBL, their other satellite teams, along with the others listed above, will have a short shelf life. If this expansion doesn't play out for BBL and their reputation is tarnished as a result, the real risk could be kids leaving the Black teams as well, just look at what the exit of a few 2023's did to that team.

You guys are overthinking the United merger. Did they keep any of the United 2026 kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is now Mad 2 Dog North teams/4 BBL Teams/4 Team 91 teams. As well as a ton of other clubs. New clubs seem to be openign up every day.
When will the bubble burst on these teams? I love how they claim to be having tryouts for these type of teams and clubs. Other than LE, BBL Black most of these teams are begging for players and not cutting anyone.

It's going to be a rude awakening for some of these clubs...While I think that the United merger was a good play for BBL, their other satellite teams, along with the others listed above, will have a short shelf life. If this expansion doesn't play out for BBL and their reputation is tarnished as a result, the real risk could be kids leaving the Black teams as well, just look at what the exit of a few 2023's did to that team.

You guys are overthinking the United merger. Did they keep any of the United 2026 kids?

With two national teams I don’t see them “cutting” United’s top players. The better question is what were they told about the makeup of teams? 2 equal national teams or is there still “Black” and everyone else?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With two national teams I don’t see them “cutting” United’s top players. The better question is what were they told about the makeup of teams? 2 equal national teams or is there still “Black” and everyone else?

The idea of 2 national teams under one club banner is nonsensical and is what is wrong with the entire club lacrosse scene. Previously you had to be good to play on a travel lacrosse club, kids were actually cut. Now anybody can be on a travel lacrosse club and the prestige comes with being on a "national" travel lacrosse club. Which club is going to be the first to put out a "World" team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is now Mad 2 Dog North teams/4 BBL Teams/4 Team 91 teams. As well as a ton of other clubs. New clubs seem to be openign up every day.
When will the bubble burst on these teams? I love how they claim to be having tryouts for these type of teams and clubs. Other than LE, BBL Black most of these teams are begging for players and not cutting anyone.

It's going to be a rude awakening for some of these clubs...While I think that the United merger was a good play for BBL, their other satellite teams, along with the others listed above, will have a short shelf life. If this expansion doesn't play out for BBL and their reputation is tarnished as a result, the real risk could be kids leaving the Black teams as well, just look at what the exit of a few 2023's did to that team.

You guys are overthinking the United merger. Did they keep any of the United 2026 kids?

With two national teams I don’t see them “cutting” United’s top players. The better question is what were they told about the makeup of teams? 2 equal national teams or is there still “Black” and everyone else?

they didn't cut the kids, the players left on their own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is now Mad 2 Dog North teams/4 BBL Teams/4 Team 91 teams. As well as a ton of other clubs. New clubs seem to be openign up every day.
When will the bubble burst on these teams? I love how they claim to be having tryouts for these type of teams and clubs. Other than LE, BBL Black most of these teams are begging for players and not cutting anyone.

It's going to be a rude awakening for some of these clubs...While I think that the United merger was a good play for BBL, their other satellite teams, along with the others listed above, will have a short shelf life. If this expansion doesn't play out for BBL and their reputation is tarnished as a result, the real risk could be kids leaving the Black teams as well, just look at what the exit of a few 2023's did to that team.

You guys are overthinking the United merger. Did they keep any of the United 2026 kids?

With two national teams I don’t see them “cutting” United’s top players. The better question is what were they told about the makeup of teams? 2 equal national teams or is there still “Black” and everyone else?

they didn't cut the kids, the players left on their own.

Thats why its in quotations, sounds like another year of the BBL exodus

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is now Mad 2 Dog North teams/4 BBL Teams/4 Team 91 teams. As well as a ton of other clubs. New clubs seem to be openign up every day.
When will the bubble burst on these teams? I love how they claim to be having tryouts for these type of teams and clubs. Other than LE, BBL Black most of these teams are begging for players and not cutting anyone.

It's going to be a rude awakening for some of these clubs...While I think that the United merger was a good play for BBL, their other satellite teams, along with the others listed above, will have a short shelf life. If this expansion doesn't play out for BBL and their reputation is tarnished as a result, the real risk could be kids leaving the Black teams as well, just look at what the exit of a few 2023's did to that team.

You guys are overthinking the United merger. Did they keep any of the United 2026 kids?

I'm not suggesting that the United merger will result in a ton of amazing talent coming out of the shore area to make a "National" team...but it was a good merger in the sense of buying into an established program with a good reputation in the area, as opposed to just creating some new BBL regional program from scratch.

Top NJ 2023 club teams based on this past summer’s tournaments:

1. Tri-State
2. Bluestar
3. Leading Edge
4. BBL
5. Riot

Change my mind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NJ 2023 club teams based on this past summer’s tournaments:

1. Tri-State
2. Bluestar
3. Leading Edge
4. BBL
5. Riot

Change my mind.

Bluestar is still alive? Have not seen them play this summer. They must have been at the Hershey Shootout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NJ 2023 club teams based on this past summer’s tournaments:

1. Tri-State
2. Bluestar
3. Leading Edge
4. BBL
5. Riot

Change my mind.

Does your son play for Riot?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NJ 2023 club teams based on this past summer’s tournaments:

1. Tri-State
2. Bluestar
3. Leading Edge
4. BBL
5. Riot

Change my mind.

Anyone on Tri-State will sell their sister to play for LE

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NJ 2023 club teams based on this past summer’s tournaments:

1. Tri-State
2. Bluestar
3. Leading Edge
4. BBL
5. Riot

Change my mind.

Bluestar is still alive? Have not seen them play this summer. They must have been at the Hershey Shootout.

lol this club imo will not be around in 3 years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NJ 2023 club teams based on this past summer’s tournaments:

1. Tri-State
2. Bluestar
3. Leading Edge
4. BBL
5. Riot

Change my mind.

Anyone on Tri-State will sell their sister to play for LE

Except for the kids who left LE and went to Tri-State, and then stomped on LE when they played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NJ 2023 club teams based on this past summer’s tournaments:

1. Tri-State
2. Bluestar
3. Leading Edge
4. BBL
5. Riot

Change my mind.

Anyone on Tri-State will sell their sister to play for LE

Except for the kids who left LE and went to Tri-State, and then stomped on LE when they played.

Good One! But we all know a BlueStar dad created this list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NJ 2023 club teams based on this past summer’s tournaments:

1. Tri-State
2. Bluestar
3. Leading Edge
4. BBL
5. Riot

Change my mind.

Bluestar is still alive? Have not seen them play this summer. They must have been at the Hershey Shootout.

Get over it...not saying that they are the best team, but Bluestar probably has better quality wins than any other team on the list this summer...they would probably get a good run from Tri State and LE if they ever played, but we know that Tri State and LE keep avoiding that match-up (clearly LE does not want to risk losing to Tri State and Bluestar in the same season, which was very clear last weekend)...they beat BBL, and BBL and their parents know that the game was not even remotely as close as the score. I sense that the routine negative comments on this forum about Bluestar stem from a much deeper personal issue with the Bluestar directors/coaches as opposed to a true assessment of the club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NJ 2023 club teams based on this past summer’s tournaments:

1. Tri-State
2. Bluestar
3. Leading Edge
4. BBL
5. Riot

Change my mind.

Anyone on Tri-State will sell their sister to play for LE

Except for the kids who left LE and went to Tri-State, and then stomped on LE when they played.

Good One! But we all know a BlueStar dad created this list.

So, what club does you son play for....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NJ 2023 club teams based on this past summer’s tournaments:

1. Tri-State
2. Bluestar
3. Leading Edge
4. BBL
5. Riot

Change my mind.

Bluestar is still alive? Have not seen them play this summer. They must have been at the Hershey Shootout.

I truly hope that you are not a LE parent making this comment, especially after last weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NJ 2023 club teams based on this past summer’s tournaments:

1. Tri-State
2. Bluestar
3. Leading Edge
4. BBL
5. Riot

Change my mind.

Anyone on Tri-State will sell their sister to play for LE

Except for the kids who left LE and went to Tri-State, and then stomped on LE when they played.

You mean the 22s who got cut from LE And became Tri state 23s

What a dense argument probably started by a person trolling. September is coming and at the end of the day thats what matters for the players.

Any movement within the 2024 & 2025 teams? Rumors flying that BBL and LE are trading players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NJ 2023 club teams based on this past summer’s tournaments:

1. Tri-State
2. Bluestar
3. Leading Edge
4. BBL
5. Riot

Change my mind.

Anyone on Tri-State will sell their sister to play for LE

Except for the kids who left LE and went to Tri-State, and then stomped on LE when they played.

You mean the 22s who got cut from LE And became Tri state 23s

But the real accomplishment was beating all of the 21's that play LE 22...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NJ 2023 club teams based on this past summer’s tournaments:

1. Tri-State
2. Bluestar
3. Leading Edge
4. BBL
5. Riot

Change my mind.

Anyone on Tri-State will sell their sister to play for LE

Except for the kids who left LE and went to Tri-State, and then stomped on LE when they played.

You mean the 22s who got cut from LE And became Tri state 23s

But the real accomplishment was beating all of the 21's that play LE 22...

Who did Le 22 lose to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any movement within the 2024 & 2025 teams? Rumors flying that BBL and LE are trading players.

I have heard the same. Sounds like a couple of BBL 24s are going to LE. And 1 LE 24 is going to BBL.

For the 25s I have not heard the same. My guess is 25 BBL team stays in tact. 25 LE apparently added the top Jersey Express kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NJ 2023 club teams based on this past summer’s tournaments:

1. Tri-State
2. Bluestar
3. Leading Edge
4. BBL
5. Riot

Change my mind.

Anyone on Tri-State will sell their sister to play for LE

Except for the kids who left LE and went to Tri-State, and then stomped on LE when they played.

You mean the 22s who got cut from LE And became Tri state 23s

But the real accomplishment was beating all of the 21's that play LE 22...

I think you mean 22's playing for LE 23", but the irony is still appreciated

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top NJ 2023 club teams based on this past summer’s tournaments:

1. Tri-State
2. Bluestar
3. Leading Edge
4. BBL
5. Riot

Change my mind.

Anyone on Tri-State will sell their sister to play for LE

Except for the kids who left LE and went to Tri-State, and then stomped on LE when they played.

You mean the 22s who got cut from LE And became Tri state 23s

Nope. The 23s that left for Tri-State and it seems to be the right move. And since Leading Edge is a reclass factory, probably not a good defense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any movement within the 2024 & 2025 teams? Rumors flying that BBL and LE are trading players.

I have heard the same. Sounds like a couple of BBL 24s are going to LE. And 1 LE 24 is going to BBL.

For the 25s I have not heard the same. My guess is 25 BBL team stays in tact. 25 LE apparently added the top Jersey Express kids.

AH said he was getting the top Mad Dog kids to come to BBL. Did that happen?

Mad Dog just started a North program. With their prominence on the national level, kids might wanna start heading over there. I don't see BBL getting the shore kids.

At the 2025 and 2026 level who is happy with their club.
Develops players, good communication and coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mad Dog just started a North program. With their prominence on the national level, kids might wanna start heading over there. I don't see BBL getting the shore kids.

So AH wasn't telling the truth?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the 2025 and 2026 level who is happy with their club.
Develops players, good communication and coaching.

If you’re son can make the BBL or Tri-State top teams, that’s your best bet. If you’re son is a stud who matured early and is just looking to get recruited (and you don’t mind paying for it), Leading Edge is a good option but after freshman year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mad Dog just started a North program. With their prominence on the national level, kids might wanna start heading over there. I don't see BBL getting the shore kids.

So AH wasn't telling the truth?

Shocker

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mad Dog just started a North program. With their prominence on the national level, kids might wanna start heading over there. I don't see BBL getting the shore kids.

Did they have any numbers at their tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the 2025 and 2026 level who is happy with their club.
Develops players, good communication and coaching.

If you’re son can make the BBL or Tri-State top teams, that’s your best bet. If you’re son is a stud who matured early and is just looking to get recruited (and you don’t mind paying for it), Leading Edge is a good option but after freshman year.

Just curious, what makes bbl 2025 or 2026 “develop” players better than that of LE or Tri-State? I have heard nothing but good things about coaches at both programs, I am just curious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mad Dog just started a North program. With their prominence on the national level, kids might wanna start heading over there. I don't see BBL getting the shore kids.

Did they have any numbers at their tryouts?

Good question. That area is so saturated with clubs. I suspect, they are going to have an uphill battle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the 2025 and 2026 level who is happy with their club.
Develops players, good communication and coaching.

If you’re son can make the BBL or Tri-State top teams, that’s your best bet. If you’re son is a stud who matured early and is just looking to get recruited (and you don’t mind paying for it), Leading Edge is a good option but after freshman year.

Just curious, what makes bbl 2025 or 2026 “develop” players better than that of LE or Tri-State? I have heard nothing but good things about coaches at both programs, I am just curious.

It basically comes down to their youth programs. BBL and Tri-State will develop kids. LE will tell you straight up that they don’t care about their youth teams and that they are a “destination” club for high school level kids. They aren’t there to develop, just showcase. If that’s what you’re looking for then have at it. Hasn’t been working of late.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the 2025 and 2026 level who is happy with their club.
Develops players, good communication and coaching.

If you’re son can make the BBL or Tri-State top teams, that’s your best bet. If you’re son is a stud who matured early and is just looking to get recruited (and you don’t mind paying for it), Leading Edge is a good option but after freshman year.

Just curious, what makes bbl 2025 or 2026 “develop” players better than that of LE or Tri-State? I have heard nothing but good things about coaches at both programs, I am just curious.

It basically comes down to their youth programs. BBL and Tri-State will develop kids. LE will tell you straight up that they don’t care about their youth teams and that they are a “destination” club for high school level kids. They aren’t there to develop, just showcase. If that’s what you’re looking for then have at it. Hasn’t been working of late.

I believe this may be changing. Their 26 team did well this past year and I’m hearing they attracted some of BBLs top players. Someone else mentioned Jersey Express players going to the 25s. Their founder was even back coaching 27s this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the 2025 and 2026 level who is happy with their club.
Develops players, good communication and coaching.

If you’re son can make the BBL or Tri-State top teams, that’s your best bet. If you’re son is a stud who matured early and is just looking to get recruited (and you don’t mind paying for it), Leading Edge is a good option but after freshman year.

Just curious, what makes bbl 2025 or 2026 “develop” players better than that of LE or Tri-State? I have heard nothing but good things about coaches at both programs, I am just curious.

It basically comes down to their youth programs. BBL and Tri-State will develop kids. LE will tell you straight up that they don’t care about their youth teams and that they are a “destination” club for high school level kids. They aren’t there to develop, just showcase. If that’s what you’re looking for then have at it. Hasn’t been working of late.

I believe this may be changing. Their 26 team did well this past year and I’m hearing they attracted some of BBLs top players. Someone else mentioned Jersey Express players going to the 25s. Their founder was even back coaching 27s this summer.

It won’t change. It’s been horrible. We left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the 2025 and 2026 level who is happy with their club.
Develops players, good communication and coaching.

If you’re son can make the BBL or Tri-State top teams, that’s your best bet. If you’re son is a stud who matured early and is just looking to get recruited (and you don’t mind paying for it), Leading Edge is a good option but after freshman year.

Just curious, what makes bbl 2025 or 2026 “develop” players better than that of LE or Tri-State? I have heard nothing but good things about coaches at both programs, I am just curious.

It basically comes down to their youth programs. BBL and Tri-State will develop kids. LE will tell you straight up that they don’t care about their youth teams and that they are a “destination” club for high school level kids. They aren’t there to develop, just showcase. If that’s what you’re looking for then have at it. Hasn’t been working of late.

I believe this may be changing. Their 26 team did well this past year and I’m hearing they attracted some of BBLs top players. Someone else mentioned Jersey Express players going to the 25s. Their founder was even back coaching 27s this summer.

It won’t change. It’s been horrible. We left.

What was your experience like? And what grade if you don’t mind saying

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mad Dog just started a North program. With their prominence on the national level, kids might wanna start heading over there. I don't see BBL getting the shore kids.

So AH wasn't telling the truth?

don't know who AH is but Mad Dog seems to rule to Shore. their national team is legit and seem to offer great year round training.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mad Dog just started a North program. With their prominence on the national level, kids might wanna start heading over there. I don't see BBL getting the shore kids.

Did they have any numbers at their tryouts?

Good question. That area is so saturated with clubs. I suspect, they are going to have an uphill battle.

not sure on numbers. they are practicing out of Cedar Grove, I'm not so sure as to who the competing club teams would be. Brotherhood, Evolution? like i've said before, i think the prospect of potentially playing for a legit national team could draw kids in. Kids from Verona, CG, Caldwell, West Essex, Wayne, etc might be drawn to Mad Dog North.

Originally Posted by njlaxx11

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mad Dog just started a North program. With their prominence on the national level, kids might wanna start heading over there. I don't see BBL getting the shore kids.

So AH wasn't telling the truth?

don't know who AH is but Mad Dog seems to rule to Shore. their national team is legit and seem to offer great year round training.

Mad Dog has never ruled the Shore. They lose their top high school players to other clubs every year. They had one good NJ group the 2021 and all but one of those parents have kept their younger son at Mad Dog. Not a great sign.

AH is the BBL owner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by njlaxx11

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mad Dog just started a North program. With their prominence on the national level, kids might wanna start heading over there. I don't see BBL getting the shore kids.

So AH wasn't telling the truth?

don't know who AH is but Mad Dog seems to rule to Shore. their national team is legit and seem to offer great year round training.

Mad Dog has never ruled the Shore. They lose their top high school players to other clubs every year. They had one good NJ group the 2021 and all but one of those parents have kept their younger son at Mad Dog. Not a great sign.

AH is the BBL owner.

Mad Dog had a decent run at the shore a few years ago, but the implosion of the 2023 teams was really tough on the program. The 2025 team is very good, but the only thing that keeps kids around at this point is the National team. Obviously, the National teams are very good, but I have heard from many parents that when it comes to recruiting, a lot more emphasis is placed on the West coast kids. The NJ program had some really good coaches at one point, but it seems like they have either left the club or headed West.

Was there a good turn out at mad dog north (new team)?

Also, is anyone hearing about more partnerships like O2/riot, United/BBL. I saw Towermen is partnering with Tri-State for box.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was there a good turn out at mad dog north (new team)?

Also, is anyone hearing about more partnerships like O2/riot, United/BBL. I saw Towermen is partnering with Tri-State for box.

Smart move . SHP connect for the 7/8th graders coming up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was there a good turn out at mad dog north (new team)?

Also, is anyone hearing about more partnerships like O2/riot, United/BBL. I saw Towermen is partnering with Tri-State for box.

Smart move . SHP connect for the 7/8th graders coming up.

Towermen going to be one to watch, can they keep that team together past 8th grade.

Originally Posted by njlaxx11

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mad Dog just started a North program. With their prominence on the national level, kids might wanna start heading over there. I don't see BBL getting the shore kids.

Did they have any numbers at their tryouts?

Good question. That area is so saturated with clubs. I suspect, they are going to have an uphill battle.

not sure on numbers. they are practicing out of Cedar Grove, I'm not so sure as to who the competing club teams would be. Brotherhood, Evolution? like i've said before, i think the prospect of potentially playing for a legit national team could draw kids in. Kids from Verona, CG, Caldwell, West Essex, Wayne, etc might be drawn to Mad Dog North.

91 NJ North is trying to get off the ground right next door in Montclair too.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

I hope you are not referring to 2023's, if so, you are sorely mistaken, especially with BBL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

I am looking for information on middle school teams in the state of New Jersey, my son is a 5th grader and plays rec for our town and wants to start to play with better kids.

Any and all information will help me thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am looking for information on middle school teams in the state of New Jersey, my son is a 5th grader and plays rec for our town and wants to start to play with better kids.

Any and all information will help me thank you.

what town do you live in?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am looking for information on middle school teams in the state of New Jersey, my son is a 5th grader and plays rec for our town and wants to start to play with better kids.

Any and all information will help me thank you.

At this point, it may be best to pick something local, what part of NJ?

Bordentown.

Bordentown

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am looking for information on middle school teams in the state of New Jersey, my son is a 5th grader and plays rec for our town and wants to start to play with better kids.

Any and all information will help me thank you.

what town do you live in?

Bordentown

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am looking for information on middle school teams in the state of New Jersey, my son is a 5th grader and plays rec for our town and wants to start to play with better kids.

Any and all information will help me thank you.

At this point, it may be best to pick something local, what part of NJ?

Bordentown

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am looking for information on middle school teams in the state of New Jersey, my son is a 5th grader and plays rec for our town and wants to start to play with better kids.

Any and all information will help me thank you.

At this point, it may be best to pick something local, what part of NJ?

Bordentown

Bluestar may be the closest NJ club when they are at Hun or maybe Express team in south jersey, there also may be a few good PA teams to consider, but not sure which clubs are closest, Team 11?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

In 2-3 years Tri-State will be the top (pretty much are now), followed by BBL, with Leading Edge falling apart or becoming another Team 91 NJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

In 2-3 years Tri-State will be the top (pretty much are now), followed by BBL, with Leading Edge falling apart or becoming another Team 91 NJ.

Then why did bbls best players (defensive side) come over to LE for the 24s and 26s 😂. Tri state is on the rise but SHP better stop choking in the finals or that connection will get cut

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

In 2-3 years Tri-State will be the top (pretty much are now), followed by BBL, with Leading Edge falling apart or becoming another Team 91 NJ.

Then why did bbls best players (defensive side) come over to LE for the 24s and 26s 😂. Tri state is on the rise but SHP better stop choking in the finals or that connection will get cut

No way to really project what will happen, but I disagree that Tri State is on the "rise"..they have simply remained consistent, but that consistency has a lot to do with the SHP pipeline, without SHP, Tri State was going to have some challenges. SHP was a lifeline, and I agree that without SHP, Tri State will face some difficulties. LE will simply always be LE, convince a bunch of top kids that LE is the place to be, but if their teams keep underperforming, that will be a problem. As for BBL, a lot remains to be seen, if the expansion is successful, and they get past the management issues that people complain about on this forum, things could go well, but there is still a lot of risk in their new ventures. Also, do not rule out the clubs that do not get all of the hype on this forum, as lacrosse continues to grow in NJ, there will be a demand for clubs other than Tri State, BBL and LE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

In 2-3 years Tri-State will be the top (pretty much are now), followed by BBL, with Leading Edge falling apart or becoming another Team 91 NJ.

Then why did bbls best players (defensive side) come over to LE for the 24s and 26s 😂. Tri state is on the rise but SHP better stop choking in the finals or that connection will get cut

Not their best players.

Ya sure? Three of the best poles left the 2026 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ya sure? Three of the best poles left the 2026 team.

So you have seen the roster or had a practice? Let's all hold our water until we see kids on the field.

Do you think any 2026 teams will have more tryouts, supplemental etc?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ya sure? Three of the best poles left the 2026 team.

No one cares about 2026 right now. Slow your roll pops.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you think any 2026 teams will have more tryouts, supplemental etc?

Yes. They all do.

Best defenseman,lsm, and goalie left bbl24 for LE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

In 2-3 years Tri-State will be the top (pretty much are now), followed by BBL, with Leading Edge falling apart or becoming another Team 91 NJ.

Coming from a 2026 parent of a NJ program, I have to weigh in here. (Not bbl, not tri state , not LE)

What world are you living in to say LE has fallen apart? Take a look at their 2022 recruit list. It’s everything I could look for in terms of opportunity for my kid. Which is why we will be trying out there next year.

We should ask the 2 kids going to Yale, kid going to UPenn, Brown, Villanova, Duke, Bucknell, Rutgers, Army, Holy Cross, Colgate, Hopkins , Loyola , Williams, etc, if LE has “fallen off” for them.

LE attracts the top talent of NJ players that are not completely in bed with their current program, come recruiting time.

I know that their 2024 and 2025 teams added a bunch of studs this year. It’s not a coincidence, kids want to get recruited .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am looking for information on middle school teams in the state of New Jersey, my son is a 5th grader and plays rec for our town and wants to start to play with better kids.

Any and all information will help me thank you.

At this point, it may be best to pick something local, what part of NJ?

Bordentown

Bluestar may be the closest NJ club when they are at Hun or maybe Express team in south jersey, there also may be a few good PA teams to consider, but not sure which clubs are closest, Team 11?

Great thank you we will stay in New Jersey and will reach out to blue star and Jersey Express.

LE 2024 didn’t need those players from BBL. They already have a good goalie and their defense wasn’t the problem. They couldn’t score and didn’t win a single meaningful game. Maybe the 2 reclass kids from the 23’s help them score. BBl kept their entire offense and the best defender is still on BBL.

Tri State 2022’s are the most underrated team around. The whole team is basically committed. They just never post on this website. And what 2022 from LE is going to Rutgers? The 2021 who played all summer with the 2022’s and is going there this fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tri State 2022’s are the most underrated team around. The whole team is basically committed. They just never post on this website. And what 2022 from LE is going to Rutgers? The 2021 who played all summer with the 2022’s and is going there this fall?

A midfielder, Macheca. Culver 2022 that played leading edge because of opportunity it could provide him when it came to recruiting my guess. Saw him play this summer and he was one of the top middies.

That list is absolutely and undeniably amazing when it comes to schools represented. I am not sure the Tri-State list comes remotely close to that. I am sure they do have great players too though.

Why doesn’t Tri-State advertise their commits, like your saying? That seems odd to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tri State 2022’s are the most underrated team around. The whole team is basically committed. They just never post on this website. And what 2022 from LE is going to Rutgers? The 2021 who played all summer with the 2022’s and is going there this fall?

A midfielder, Macheca. Culver 2022 that played leading edge because of opportunity it could provide him when it came to recruiting my guess. Saw him play this summer and he was one of the top middies.

That list is absolutely and undeniably amazing when it comes to schools represented. I am not sure the Tri-State list comes remotely close to that. I am sure they do have great players too though.

Why doesn’t Tri-State advertise their commits, like your saying? That seems odd to me.

Let the results speak.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 didn’t need those players from BBL. They already have a good goalie and their defense wasn’t the problem. They couldn’t score and didn’t win a single meaningful game. Maybe the 2 reclass kids from the 23’s help them score. BBl kept their entire offense and the best defender is still on BBL.

Their best offensive player was injured this summer as well. Hadn't heard about the reclasses but I expect to see an influx of those across the board. Too many kids playing in college right now w/ extra years.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 didn’t need those players from BBL. They already have a good goalie and their defense wasn’t the problem. They couldn’t score and didn’t win a single meaningful game. Maybe the 2 reclass kids from the 23’s help them score. BBl kept their entire offense and the best defender is still on BBL.

Their best offensive player was injured this summer as well. Hadn't heard about the reclasses but I expect to see an influx of those across the board. Too many kids playing in college right now w/ extra years.

TriState 2024 will be better than BBL 2024 this year. Happens every year as rising JR

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

In 2-3 years Tri-State will be the top (pretty much are now), followed by BBL, with Leading Edge falling apart or becoming another Team 91 NJ.

Coming from a 2026 parent of a NJ program, I have to weigh in here. (Not bbl, not tri state , not LE)

What world are you living in to say LE has fallen apart? Take a look at their 2022 recruit list. It’s everything I could look for in terms of opportunity for my kid. Which is why we will be trying out there next year.

We should ask the 2 kids going to Yale, kid going to UPenn, Brown, Villanova, Duke, Bucknell, Rutgers, Army, Holy Cross, Colgate, Hopkins , Loyola , Williams, etc, if LE has “fallen off” for them.

LE attracts the top talent of NJ players that are not completely in bed with their current program, come recruiting time.

I know that their 2024 and 2025 teams added a bunch of studs this year. It’s not a coincidence, kids want to get recruited .

I think that most agree on this forum that through 2022, LE has a great teams, it's the following classes that have seen the drop in performance., but what you are failing to recognize is that kids from Tri State, BBL, Riot, Bluestar, etc. are getting recruited by the same schools. I assure you, whether your kids makes LE or not, when your kid gets to high school, you will understand that LE is not the holy grail of NJ lacrosse. I would also encourage you to find out how many kids on the LE teams have reclassed, and wait until to you see how they treat the on-age kids when a reclass comes along at the same position (even those 2024/2025 studs that they added this year).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

In 2-3 years Tri-State will be the top (pretty much are now), followed by BBL, with Leading Edge falling apart or becoming another Team 91 NJ.

Coming from a 2026 parent of a NJ program, I have to weigh in here. (Not bbl, not tri state , not LE)

What world are you living in to say LE has fallen apart? Take a look at their 2022 recruit list. It’s everything I could look for in terms of opportunity for my kid. Which is why we will be trying out there next year.

We should ask the 2 kids going to Yale, kid going to UPenn, Brown, Villanova, Duke, Bucknell, Rutgers, Army, Holy Cross, Colgate, Hopkins , Loyola , Williams, etc, if LE has “fallen off” for them.

LE attracts the top talent of NJ players that are not completely in bed with their current program, come recruiting time.

I know that their 2024 and 2025 teams added a bunch of studs this year. It’s not a coincidence, kids want to get recruited .

I think that most agree on this forum that through 2022, LE has a great teams, it's the following classes that have seen the drop in performance., but what you are failing to recognize is that kids from Tri State, BBL, Riot, Bluestar, etc. are getting recruited by the same schools. I assure you, whether your kids makes LE or not, when your kid gets to high school, you will understand that LE is not the holy grail of NJ lacrosse. I would also encourage you to find out how many kids on the LE teams have reclassed, and wait until to you see how they treat the on-age kids when a reclass comes along at the same position (even those 2024/2025 studs that they added this year).

I do see what your saying, but also think that it is unfair to act like they treat their players poorly. That is just simply not true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

In 2-3 years Tri-State will be the top (pretty much are now), followed by BBL, with Leading Edge falling apart or becoming another Team 91 NJ.

Coming from a 2026 parent of a NJ program, I have to weigh in here. (Not bbl, not tri state , not LE)

What world are you living in to say LE has fallen apart? Take a look at their 2022 recruit list. It’s everything I could look for in terms of opportunity for my kid. Which is why we will be trying out there next year.

We should ask the 2 kids going to Yale, kid going to UPenn, Brown, Villanova, Duke, Bucknell, Rutgers, Army, Holy Cross, Colgate, Hopkins , Loyola , Williams, etc, if LE has “fallen off” for them.

LE attracts the top talent of NJ players that are not completely in bed with their current program, come recruiting time.

I know that their 2024 and 2025 teams added a bunch of studs this year. It’s not a coincidence, kids want to get recruited .

I think that most agree on this forum that through 2022, LE has a great teams, it's the following classes that have seen the drop in performance., but what you are failing to recognize is that kids from Tri State, BBL, Riot, Bluestar, etc. are getting recruited by the same schools. I assure you, whether your kids makes LE or not, when your kid gets to high school, you will understand that LE is not the holy grail of NJ lacrosse. I would also encourage you to find out how many kids on the LE teams have reclassed, and wait until to you see how they treat the on-age kids when a reclass comes along at the same position (even those 2024/2025 studs that they added this year).

I do see what your saying, but also think that it is unfair to act like they treat their players poorly. That is just simply not true.

Agreed, if you are one of their top players, but I know quite a few kids that have lost their spots to reclasses leaving them in a jam trying to find a new club in high school. That being said, and in all fairness, the real difference is that the other NJ clubs listed can at least put a kid on their "B" team, which for some, is the equivalent of getting cut from the club. Either way, any of the top kids that come from LE, Tri State, BBL, Riot or Bluestar are going to get recruited by good schools, they all play in tournaments that offer exposure to college coaches, Bottom line, LE has a very good track record, but there is a lot more to a club than a list of recruits, if the club is not making you a better player year-after-year, then it seems like a lost opportunity. It's easy for a team to get better by adding and subtracting players, it is a much greater accomplishment for a club to develop a kid and get him recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

In 2-3 years Tri-State will be the top (pretty much are now), followed by BBL, with Leading Edge falling apart or becoming another Team 91 NJ.

Coming from a 2026 parent of a NJ program, I have to weigh in here. (Not bbl, not tri state , not LE)

What world are you living in to say LE has fallen apart? Take a look at their 2022 recruit list. It’s everything I could look for in terms of opportunity for my kid. Which is why we will be trying out there next year.

We should ask the 2 kids going to Yale, kid going to UPenn, Brown, Villanova, Duke, Bucknell, Rutgers, Army, Holy Cross, Colgate, Hopkins , Loyola , Williams, etc, if LE has “fallen off” for them.

LE attracts the top talent of NJ players that are not completely in bed with their current program, come recruiting time.

I know that their 2024 and 2025 teams added a bunch of studs this year. It’s not a coincidence, kids want to get recruited .

Let's just see how many kids from the LE 2023 class commit to top programs. I'd say the over under is 5. 2024 is even harder to find top level kids. Definitely trending down after 2022 but who knows.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 didn’t need those players from BBL. They already have a good goalie and their defense wasn’t the problem. They couldn’t score and didn’t win a single meaningful game. Maybe the 2 reclass kids from the 23’s help them score. BBl kept their entire offense and the best defender is still on BBL.

Their best offensive player was injured this summer as well. Hadn't heard about the reclasses but I expect to see an influx of those across the board. Too many kids playing in college right now w/ extra years.

They need a lot more than 1 good player. Especially now that kids left for BBL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

In 2-3 years Tri-State will be the top (pretty much are now), followed by BBL, with Leading Edge falling apart or becoming another Team 91 NJ.

Coming from a 2026 parent of a NJ program, I have to weigh in here. (Not bbl, not tri state , not LE)

What world are you living in to say LE has fallen apart? Take a look at their 2022 recruit list. It’s everything I could look for in terms of opportunity for my kid. Which is why we will be trying out there next year.

We should ask the 2 kids going to Yale, kid going to UPenn, Brown, Villanova, Duke, Bucknell, Rutgers, Army, Holy Cross, Colgate, Hopkins , Loyola , Williams, etc, if LE has “fallen off” for them.

LE attracts the top talent of NJ players that are not completely in bed with their current program, come recruiting time.

I know that their 2024 and 2025 teams added a bunch of studs this year. It’s not a coincidence, kids want to get recruited .

It's not about LE 2022. They are vey good and yes, loaded with reclasses. Its really about the next 3-5 years. The 2023s are simply nothing special and won't have a commitment list anywhere near the 2022s. The 2024s are even weaker than the 23s, so barring some miracle, they won't produce much. The 2025s are starting to load up with reclasses so maybe they turn the tide. Maybe they don't. Below them is the youth program, which if you've seen, has always been abysmal. So a few bad years is really all it takes, particularly with how disorganized LE is administratively. You can already see more NJ talent going to other local clubs and doing just as well.

LE 2023 first kids to commit will be 3 of their poles, face off kid, and their only consistent scorer. That’s 5 early. Maybe the goalies?? Others will commit but those are the big ones that will be advertised.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023 first kids to commit will be 3 of their poles, face off kid, and their only consistent scorer. That’s 5 early. Maybe the goalies?? Others will commit but those are the big ones that will be advertised.

I thought that some of those poles are football kids, didn't one already commit for football.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023 first kids to commit will be 3 of their poles, face off kid, and their only consistent scorer. That’s 5 early. Maybe the goalies?? Others will commit but those are the big ones that will be advertised.

O wise one, what about TriState, BBL, and Blue Star

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023 first kids to commit will be 3 of their poles, face off kid, and their only consistent scorer. That’s 5 early. Maybe the goalies?? Others will commit but those are the big ones that will be advertised.

O wise one, what about TriState, BBL, and Blue Star

I think that it is a one club per day thing to keep us all in suspense...afterwards, maybe the old crystal ball can give us some insight on the class of 2024

.[/quote]

I think that most agree on this forum that through 2022, LE has a great teams, it's the following classes that have seen the drop in performance., but what you are failing to recognize is that kids from Tri State, BBL, Riot, Bluestar, etc. are getting recruited by the same schools. I assure you, whether your kids makes LE or not, when your kid gets to high school, you will understand that LE is not the holy grail of NJ lacrosse. I would also encourage you to find out how many kids on the LE teams have reclassed, and wait until to you see how they treat the on-age kids when a reclass comes along at the same position (even those 2024/2025 studs that they added this year).[/quote]

I do see what your saying, but also think that it is unfair to act like they treat their players poorly. That is just simply not true.[/quote]

Agreed, if you are one of their top players, but I know quite a few kids that have lost their spots to reclasses leaving them in a jam trying to find a new club in high school. That being said, and in all fairness, the real difference is that the other NJ clubs listed can at least put a kid on their "B" team, which for some, is the equivalent of getting cut from the club. Either way, any of the top kids that come from LE, Tri State, BBL, Riot or Bluestar are going to get recruited by good schools, they all play in tournaments that offer exposure to college coaches, Bottom line, LE has a very good track record, but there is a lot more to a club than a list of recruits, if the club is not making you a better player year-after-year, then it seems like a lost opportunity. It's easy for a team to get better by adding and subtracting players, it is a much greater accomplishment for a club to develop a kid and get him recruited.[/quote]

Unfortunately, this argument is based around the assumption that all kids start at the same level and can be developed with limitless potential. In reality, the highest level a player reaches is more dependent on their natural abilities, work ethic, and athleticism than what happens at club practice.

Given identical players at the youth level, would any of these clubs really outshine the others down the road? Maybe a little bit but not drastically. heck if someone has twins, try it out and let us know! /s

What actually happens is clubs attract the top talent at different points in their careers. For whatever reason, BBL and Tri State attract talent at much earlier ages. Maybe its the culture, or WSYL participation, or parents wanting to stay close to home, or where their friends are playing. LE tends to attract the talent later on. Failing to bring kids in at younger ages makes this a self-fulfilling prophecy. They cut lesser players to make room for more talented ones. Thats the reality of life and college sports.

Do clubs aid in the player development process? Yes. Is there some magic formula that makes one method superior to all others? No. Don’t fall into the trap of using a club as a scapegoat for a lack of individual responsibility.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

In 2-3 years Tri-State will be the top (pretty much are now), followed by BBL, with Leading Edge falling apart or becoming another Team 91 NJ.

Coming from a 2026 parent of a NJ program, I have to weigh in here. (Not bbl, not tri state , not LE)

What world are you living in to say LE has fallen apart? Take a look at their 2022 recruit list. It’s everything I could look for in terms of opportunity for my kid. Which is why we will be trying out there next year.

We should ask the 2 kids going to Yale, kid going to UPenn, Brown, Villanova, Duke, Bucknell, Rutgers, Army, Holy Cross, Colgate, Hopkins , Loyola , Williams, etc, if LE has “fallen off” for them.

LE attracts the top talent of NJ players that are not completely in bed with their current program, come recruiting time.

I know that their 2024 and 2025 teams added a bunch of studs this year. It’s not a coincidence, kids want to get recruited .

It's not about LE 2022. They are vey good and yes, loaded with reclasses. Its really about the next 3-5 years. The 2023s are simply nothing special and won't have a commitment list anywhere near the 2022s. The 2024s are even weaker than the 23s, so barring some miracle, they won't produce much. The 2025s are starting to load up with reclasses so maybe they turn the tide. Maybe they don't. Below them is the youth program, which if you've seen, has always been abysmal. So a few bad years is really all it takes, particularly with how disorganized LE is administratively. You can already see more NJ talent going to other local clubs and doing just as well.

This post couldn’t be further from the truth. It is very clear you have no idea what your talking about as the 2025 team has 1 reclass. I repeat , 1…….

Typical LE hater.

2024 team loaded up as well.

Time will tell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

In 2-3 years Tri-State will be the top (pretty much are now), followed by BBL, with Leading Edge falling apart or becoming another Team 91 NJ.

Coming from a 2026 parent of a NJ program, I have to weigh in here. (Not bbl, not tri state , not LE)

What world are you living in to say LE has fallen apart? Take a look at their 2022 recruit list. It’s everything I could look for in terms of opportunity for my kid. Which is why we will be trying out there next year.

We should ask the 2 kids going to Yale, kid going to UPenn, Brown, Villanova, Duke, Bucknell, Rutgers, Army, Holy Cross, Colgate, Hopkins , Loyola , Williams, etc, if LE has “fallen off” for them.

LE attracts the top talent of NJ players that are not completely in bed with their current program, come recruiting time.

I know that their 2024 and 2025 teams added a bunch of studs this year. It’s not a coincidence, kids want to get recruited .

It's not about LE 2022. They are vey good and yes, loaded with reclasses. Its really about the next 3-5 years. The 2023s are simply nothing special and won't have a commitment list anywhere near the 2022s. The 2024s are even weaker than the 23s, so barring some miracle, they won't produce much. The 2025s are starting to load up with reclasses so maybe they turn the tide. Maybe they don't. Below them is the youth program, which if you've seen, has always been abysmal. So a few bad years is really all it takes, particularly with how disorganized LE is administratively. You can already see more NJ talent going to other local clubs and doing just as well.

There is not a single thing that is disorganized on the LE admin level. You sound like a disgruntled parent of a kid that isn’t good enough and probably was cut. Your kids just not that good. Sorry Charlie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

In 2-3 years Tri-State will be the top (pretty much are now), followed by BBL, with Leading Edge falling apart or becoming another Team 91 NJ.

Coming from a 2026 parent of a NJ program, I have to weigh in here. (Not bbl, not tri state , not LE)

What world are you living in to say LE has fallen apart? Take a look at their 2022 recruit list. It’s everything I could look for in terms of opportunity for my kid. Which is why we will be trying out there next year.

We should ask the 2 kids going to Yale, kid going to UPenn, Brown, Villanova, Duke, Bucknell, Rutgers, Army, Holy Cross, Colgate, Hopkins , Loyola , Williams, etc, if LE has “fallen off” for them.

LE attracts the top talent of NJ players that are not completely in bed with their current program, come recruiting time.

I know that their 2024 and 2025 teams added a bunch of studs this year. It’s not a coincidence, kids want to get recruited .

It's not about LE 2022. They are vey good and yes, loaded with reclasses. Its really about the next 3-5 years. The 2023s are simply nothing special and won't have a commitment list anywhere near the 2022s. The 2024s are even weaker than the 23s, so barring some miracle, they won't produce much. The 2025s are starting to load up with reclasses so maybe they turn the tide. Maybe they don't. Below them is the youth program, which if you've seen, has always been abysmal. So a few bad years is really all it takes, particularly with how disorganized LE is administratively. You can already see more NJ talent going to other local clubs and doing just as well.

There is not a single thing that is disorganized on the LE admin level. You sound like a disgruntled parent of a kid that isn’t good enough and probably was cut. Your kids just not that good. Sorry Charlie.

You must be new so I’ll give you a fair warning. My kid is currently in the program and has been for 4 years. I’m an insider and not afraid to say it’s been a mess from an admin perspective. But they are good at recruiting so we put up with it. I know a lot of parents who don’t. Up to you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

In 2-3 years Tri-State will be the top (pretty much are now), followed by BBL, with Leading Edge falling apart or becoming another Team 91 NJ.

Coming from a 2026 parent of a NJ program, I have to weigh in here. (Not bbl, not tri state , not LE)

What world are you living in to say LE has fallen apart? Take a look at their 2022 recruit list. It’s everything I could look for in terms of opportunity for my kid. Which is why we will be trying out there next year.

We should ask the 2 kids going to Yale, kid going to UPenn, Brown, Villanova, Duke, Bucknell, Rutgers, Army, Holy Cross, Colgate, Hopkins , Loyola , Williams, etc, if LE has “fallen off” for them.

LE attracts the top talent of NJ players that are not completely in bed with their current program, come recruiting time.

I know that their 2024 and 2025 teams added a bunch of studs this year. It’s not a coincidence, kids want to get recruited .

It's not about LE 2022. They are vey good and yes, loaded with reclasses. Its really about the next 3-5 years. The 2023s are simply nothing special and won't have a commitment list anywhere near the 2022s. The 2024s are even weaker than the 23s, so barring some miracle, they won't produce much. The 2025s are starting to load up with reclasses so maybe they turn the tide. Maybe they don't. Below them is the youth program, which if you've seen, has always been abysmal. So a few bad years is really all it takes, particularly with how disorganized LE is administratively. You can already see more NJ talent going to other local clubs and doing just as well.

This post couldn’t be further from the truth. It is very clear you have no idea what your talking about as the 2025 team has 1 reclass. I repeat , 1…….

Typical LE hater.

2024 team loaded up as well.

Time will tell.

I know 3 reclasses on 2025. Not a hater, just the way it is. Expect 4-5 more soon. And good luck clinging to false hope.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 NJ Riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Leading Edge
2. BBL Elite (not Helix)
3. Tristate

The Big 3 of NJ lacrosse but no point to even number this list. Top team changes with pretty much every age group and every season. Sure other clubs may have the occasional stellar team, but not with the consistency of these three. I am NOT saying other clubs don't have top players.

In 2-3 years Tri-State will be the top (pretty much are now), followed by BBL, with Leading Edge falling apart or becoming another Team 91 NJ.

Coming from a 2026 parent of a NJ program, I have to weigh in here. (Not bbl, not tri state , not LE)

What world are you living in to say LE has fallen apart? Take a look at their 2022 recruit list. It’s everything I could look for in terms of opportunity for my kid. Which is why we will be trying out there next year.

We should ask the 2 kids going to Yale, kid going to UPenn, Brown, Villanova, Duke, Bucknell, Rutgers, Army, Holy Cross, Colgate, Hopkins , Loyola , Williams, etc, if LE has “fallen off” for them.

LE attracts the top talent of NJ players that are not completely in bed with their current program, come recruiting time.

I know that their 2024 and 2025 teams added a bunch of studs this year. It’s not a coincidence, kids want to get recruited .

It's not about LE 2022. They are vey good and yes, loaded with reclasses. Its really about the next 3-5 years. The 2023s are simply nothing special and won't have a commitment list anywhere near the 2022s. The 2024s are even weaker than the 23s, so barring some miracle, they won't produce much. The 2025s are starting to load up with reclasses so maybe they turn the tide. Maybe they don't. Below them is the youth program, which if you've seen, has always been abysmal. So a few bad years is really all it takes, particularly with how disorganized LE is administratively. You can already see more NJ talent going to other local clubs and doing just as well.

This post couldn’t be further from the truth. It is very clear you have no idea what your talking about as the 2025 team has 1 reclass. I repeat , 1…….

Typical LE hater.

2024 team loaded up as well.

Time will tell.

Not a LE hater, I could honestly care less, but you seem to be one of the few people on this forum that does not understand how LE works, especially if you are looking at things from 2025, I assure you that the team will change quite a bit in the next year or two...again, not posting as a hater, just passing along what has happened with the 2023 team, and the sad part is that all that tinkering with the 2023s has not made the team any better...and don't give me the "sorry your kid got cut" reply, its just reconfirms your ignorance.

Not a LE hater, I could honestly care less, but you seem to be one of the few people on this forum that does not understand how LE works, especially if you are looking at things from 2025, I assure you that the team will change quite a bit in the next year or two...again, not posting as a hater, just passing along what has happened with the 2023 team, and the sad part is that all that tinkering with the 2023s has not made the team any better...and don't give me the "sorry your kid got cut" reply, its just reconfirms your ignorance.[/quote]
You do care, you spent time responding.
What tinkering are you talking about? Two years ago they added a few Delbarton kids, lost one kid to wrestling.. I think he already has a few Big 10 D1 offers. This year they might add one kid after losing two to reclassing. (still not sure the reclass 2023 is true)
2025? no one knows what that team will end up being. As of right now, the only solid 2025 team in NJ is BBL. How about we let the kids develop.
2023 offers, we have no idea what those kids want. They could lose a pole and a couple of middies to football offers. They have a few 1400+ SAT kids who might say peace out I'll hire you all in 10 years.
My ignorance.. responding to someone whose son will never understand the value of getting cut because dad runs behind him and tells him it wasn't his fault.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a LE hater, I could honestly care less, but you seem to be one of the few people on this forum that does not understand how LE works, especially if you are looking at things from 2025, I assure you that the team will change quite a bit in the next year or two...again, not posting as a hater, just passing along what has happened with the 2023 team, and the sad part is that all that tinkering with the 2023s has not made the team any better...and don't give me the "sorry your kid got cut" reply, its just reconfirms your ignorance.

You do care, you spent time responding.
What tinkering are you talking about? Two years ago they added a few Delbarton kids, lost one kid to wrestling.. I think he already has a few Big 10 D1 offers. This year they might add one kid after losing two to reclassing. (still not sure the reclass 2023 is true)
2025? no one knows what that team will end up being. As of right now, the only solid 2025 team in NJ is BBL. How about we let the kids develop.
2023 offers, we have no idea what those kids want. They could lose a pole and a couple of middies to football offers. They have a few 1400+ SAT kids who might say peace out I'll hire you all in 10 years.
My ignorance.. responding to someone whose son will never understand the value of getting cut because dad runs behind him and tells him it wasn't his fault.[/quote]

Yes, that's me, cuddling my kid on the sideline...yelling wheels!! and drinking out my red solo cup....nobody takes you or you opinion seriously when you make the off-hand meaningless comments....good luck shopping for teams for your kid, I'm sure that he is a rockstar

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a LE hater, I could honestly care less, but you seem to be one of the few people on this forum that does not understand how LE works, especially if you are looking at things from 2025, I assure you that the team will change quite a bit in the next year or two...again, not posting as a hater, just passing along what has happened with the 2023 team, and the sad part is that all that tinkering with the 2023s has not made the team any better...and don't give me the "sorry your kid got cut" reply, its just reconfirms your ignorance.

You do care, you spent time responding.
What tinkering are you talking about? Two years ago they added a few Delbarton kids, lost one kid to wrestling.. I think he already has a few Big 10 D1 offers. This year they might add one kid after losing two to reclassing. (still not sure the reclass 2023 is true)
2025? no one knows what that team will end up being. As of right now, the only solid 2025 team in NJ is BBL. How about we let the kids develop.
2023 offers, we have no idea what those kids want. They could lose a pole and a couple of middies to football offers. They have a few 1400+ SAT kids who might say peace out I'll hire you all in 10 years.
My ignorance.. responding to someone whose son will never understand the value of getting cut because dad runs behind him and tells him it wasn't his fault.

Yes, that's me, cuddling my kid on the sideline...yelling wheels!! and drinking out my red solo cup....nobody takes you or you opinion seriously when you make the off-hand meaningless comments....good luck shopping for teams for your kid, I'm sure that he is a rockstar[/quote]

LE 2025 lost to bbl by a goal, and controlled the entire game. With the Jersey Express kids that they have added, I wouldn’t be surprised if LE 2025 becomes the top team in NJ next year. Tri state 2025 is weak. BBL 2025 will be solid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

LE 2025 lost to bbl by a goal, and controlled the entire game. With the Jersey Express kids that they have added, I wouldn’t be surprised if LE 2025 becomes the top team in NJ next year. Tri state 2025 is weak. BBL 2025 will be solid.

Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. But after the 2023 & 2024s roll through I expect that college coaches won’t look at LE the same. Big drop in talent. There are probably some good kids but they’ll be looking elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

LE 2025 lost to bbl by a goal, and controlled the entire game. With the Jersey Express kids that they have added, I wouldn’t be surprised if LE 2025 becomes the top team in NJ next year. Tri state 2025 is weak. BBL 2025 will be solid.

Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. But after the 2023 & 2024s roll through I expect that college coaches won’t look at LE the same. Big drop in talent. There are probably some good kids but they’ll be looking elsewhere.

This is an incredibly baseless and short-sighted claim. Why would a college coach throwaway a decade+ long relationship because they don’t find a player for a year or two? If a club doesn’t have a player that fits a school’s particular need that year, it doesn’t mean they don’t look at the next crop of players. This happens everywhere, to every club. Are college coaches refusing to look at players from the Crabs because they aren’t the undisputed king of Maryland anymore? Goodness no.

College-club relationships are far more likely to be ruined by a director pushing players to schools that aren’t a good fit. Assuming the LE director is provides an honest evaluation and doesn’t claim every kid should be ACC bound, they’ll survive a downturn.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a LE hater, I could honestly care less, but you seem to be one of the few people on this forum that does not understand how LE works, especially if you are looking at things from 2025, I assure you that the team will change quite a bit in the next year or two...again, not posting as a hater, just passing along what has happened with the 2023 team, and the sad part is that all that tinkering with the 2023s has not made the team any better...and don't give me the "sorry your kid got cut" reply, its just reconfirms your ignorance.

You do care, you spent time responding.
What tinkering are you talking about? Two years ago they added a few Delbarton kids, lost one kid to wrestling.. I think he already has a few Big 10 D1 offers. This year they might add one kid after losing two to reclassing. (still not sure the reclass 2023 is true)
2025? no one knows what that team will end up being. As of right now, the only solid 2025 team in NJ is BBL. How about we let the kids develop.
2023 offers, we have no idea what those kids want. They could lose a pole and a couple of middies to football offers. They have a few 1400+ SAT kids who might say peace out I'll hire you all in 10 years.
My ignorance.. responding to someone whose son will never understand the value of getting cut because dad runs behind him and tells him it wasn't his fault.

Yes, that's me, cuddling my kid on the sideline...yelling wheels!! and drinking out my red solo cup....nobody takes you or you opinion seriously when you make the off-hand meaningless comments....good luck shopping for teams for your kid, I'm sure that he is a rockstar[/quote]
You didn't answer the question. what tinkering?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a LE hater, I could honestly care less, but you seem to be one of the few people on this forum that does not understand how LE works, especially if you are looking at things from 2025, I assure you that the team will change quite a bit in the next year or two...again, not posting as a hater, just passing along what has happened with the 2023 team, and the sad part is that all that tinkering with the 2023s has not made the team any better...and don't give me the "sorry your kid got cut" reply, its just reconfirms your ignorance.

You do care, you spent time responding.
What tinkering are you talking about? Two years ago they added a few Delbarton kids, lost one kid to wrestling.. I think he already has a few Big 10 D1 offers. This year they might add one kid after losing two to reclassing. (still not sure the reclass 2023 is true)
2025? no one knows what that team will end up being. As of right now, the only solid 2025 team in NJ is BBL. How about we let the kids develop.
2023 offers, we have no idea what those kids want. They could lose a pole and a couple of middies to football offers. They have a few 1400+ SAT kids who might say peace out I'll hire you all in 10 years.
My ignorance.. responding to someone whose son will never understand the value of getting cut because dad runs behind him and tells him it wasn't his fault.

Yes, that's me, cuddling my kid on the sideline...yelling wheels!! and drinking out my red solo cup....nobody takes you or you opinion seriously when you make the off-hand meaningless comments....good luck shopping for teams for your kid, I'm sure that he is a rockstar

LE 2025 lost to bbl by a goal, and controlled the entire game. With the Jersey Express kids that they have added, I wouldn’t be surprised if LE 2025 becomes the top team in NJ next year. Tri state 2025 is weak. BBL 2025 will be solid.[/quote]

Wait what, LE 2025 got the best players of who?

Leading Edge is a good program but they look at your skill and what high school you are going to as well. Most of your practice reps are not at LE so your SCHOOL matters. They want sure things. If you look at their commits the school lacrosse program is a direct relationship to recruitment.

I still believe a great athlete that plays more than 1 sport at top 25 NJ lacrosse high school has a very good shot to be recruited in their rising Junior September, or Junior /Senior year. Look at the 2021 and 2022s getting offers this summer from D1 to D3 schools. Even LE has Washington Lee and Monmouth commits.

Even LE kids have to narrow the list and go to ID days at the colleges to get exposure so you have to market yourself at all clubs.

If you are a blue chip athlete go to Leading Edge or Prime Time but that is 5 studs at most a year.

The 23 faceoff LE guy is not the best in NJ. Bosco's Simone is a 23 and he smoked Engelke on Pingry 15 of 18 faceoffs.

Just be truly aware of your kid's ability and it will workout. There is nothing wrong with a great high school lacrosse experience or a D3 school with a great education. This sport has a dead end so get the educational and life experiences out of it first. My son's coach was D1 and drafted but with covid the season never happened and the leagues merged. Career over.

Speaking of LE -Tim Roy new head coach at Chatham.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge is a good program but they look at your skill and what high school you are going to as well. Most of your practice reps are not at LE so your SCHOOL matters. They want sure things. If you look at their commits the school lacrosse program is a direct relationship to recruitment.

I still believe a great athlete that plays more than 1 sport at top 25 NJ lacrosse high school has a very good shot to be recruited in their rising Junior September, or Junior /Senior year. Look at the 2021 and 2022s getting offers this summer from D1 to D3 schools. Even LE has Washington Lee and Monmouth commits.

Even LE kids have to narrow the list and go to ID days at the colleges to get exposure so you have to market yourself at all clubs.

If you are a blue chip athlete go to Leading Edge or Prime Time but that is 5 studs at most a year.

The 23 faceoff LE guy is not the best in NJ. Bosco's Simone is a 23 and he smoked Engelke on Pingry 15 of 18 faceoffs.

Just be truly aware of your kid's ability and it will workout. There is nothing wrong with a great high school lacrosse experience or a D3 school with a great education. This sport has a dead end so get the educational and life experiences out of it first. My son's coach was D1 and drafted but with covid the season never happened and the leagues merged. Career over.

Why detest on Monmouth? I just don't understand what some people don't get. The smaller schools, with less BIG NAME recognition are all catching up to the pack. Monmouth was 8-3 and ended up being ranked 18th and made the NCAA's. Yes it was in a smaller conference. A few posts ago it was pointed out some of the schools LE committed their kids at. Just to name a few Bucknell, 2-6 #51, Hopkins, 4-9 #40, Colgate 3-7 #46, Holy Cross 2-4 #62, and Villanova who at 7-5 #25 had a good season but slightly less than Monmouth. Kudos to LE as these are good schools but my point is on the schools and lax not LE. There are so many good high school lacrosse kids playing at a high level now, parity is beginning to set in across the board. UDEL, High Point, Hobart, UMASS, Jacksonville are all schools that are competitive now. I know it changes yearly but the old days of looking down on small schools is something from the past. If your getting a business degree you can go anywhere. If your going for engineering go to the smart schools.

I am thinking education. I would rather my son go to a great D3 school over a D1 that is not a great school. Very few kids go ACC in NJ and not all from LE. If your are good coaches will find you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am thinking education. I would rather my son go to a great D3 school over a D1 that is not a great school. Very few kids go ACC in NJ and not all from LE. If your are good coaches will find you.

I think that you both make interesting points. I tend to agree that I would rather send my kid to a top D3 school over many of the D1 schools, but everybody's situation is different, whether academically or financially. For some, schools such as UDEL, HIgh Point, Jacksonville (random list based on the prior post) may hit the mark academically and provide a place to play for a kid that does not have the grades for some of the better D3 schools. That being said, if a kids academics are really strong, and the financials work, the best academic school, whether D1 or D3 is the best choice without question. Every year, you will see some very good players from NJ go to schools that are below their playing level, and for the most part, this is due to academics. On the flip side, sometimes you see a kid over-achieve from a skill perspective because they can boost the academic profile of a college team. Either way, there is no one-size fits all for college lacrosse, everybody has their own ambitions and priorities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am thinking education. I would rather my son go to a great D3 school over a D1 that is not a great school. Very few kids go ACC in NJ and not all from LE. If your are good coaches will find you.

I think that you both make interesting points. I tend to agree that I would rather send my kid to a top D3 school over many of the D1 schools, but everybody's situation is different, whether academically or financially. For some, schools such as UDEL, HIgh Point, Jacksonville (random list based on the prior post) may hit the mark academically and provide a place to play for a kid that does not have the grades for some of the better D3 schools. That being said, if a kids academics are really strong, and the financials work, the best academic school, whether D1 or D3 is the best choice without question. Every year, you will see some very good players from NJ go to schools that are below their playing level, and for the most part, this is due to academics. On the flip side, sometimes you see a kid over-achieve from a skill perspective because they can boost the academic profile of a college team. Either way, there is no one-size fits all for college lacrosse, everybody has their own ambitions and priorities.

I am just jumping onto this but there is nothing wrong with any of the schools the poster listed. The secondary posts make sense as well. I will use UDEL as the random example also. If my son got recruited by UDEL and we believe he could play there by junior year, I would send him there over a D3 school that is more known for education. Ultimately it would be his choice but there is nothing wrong with getting a college degree from UDEL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of LE -Tim Roy new head coach at Chatham.

Interesting. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures at LE. They've been losing the talent battle to other clubs with HS connections. Maybe this will help them right the ship. It is ironic though, considering he has always said he just doesn't care about NJ high school lacrosse.

Exactly. Lacrosse allows the D1 non ACC or Big 10 college experience or D3 lacrosse plus a better educational experience. I just choose academics and career afterwards because lacrosse is a dead end for 99.9% after college.But I get the D1 pull. Of course I am not saying I would not love ACC, Big 10, Utah, Denver, Patriot league of course but after that D1 or D3 is a matter of what life is after college as much as the lacrosse experience. I also could not agree more with a kid getting into D1 non power school with the help of lacrosse when academics or SAT scores are marginal.

I am not surprised. Part of the fall of Leading edge is they need players from great high schools. With Roy and the LE coach/founder RFH they are coaching 2 of the top 10 schools in NJ. Yes LE is good but they are good because they get a couple great players and the rest are players from top high schools. Stack your team with kids from top 10 lax high schools with 3 studs each year in NJ and you will look like you are so smart. You get more reps with your high school team than you do your club team. Why is Tri State good in high school? All their non BBL and LE kids play on the tristate teams. That playing together all year round helps a ton.

That is why LE asks what your school you are in even in youth program and obviously in high school. BBL does not ask that question. LE stacks the deck in their favor because their B players are fundamentally sound from top schools/towns.

However, those LE B players will get the same offers that Tri State, Blue Star, Steps or BBL players will get if they play on a top 10 to 20 lax high school team.

Why detest on Monmouth? I just don't understand what some people don't get. The smaller schools, with less BIG NAME recognition are all catching up to the pack. Monmouth was 8-3 and ended up being ranked 18th and made the NCAA's. Yes it was in a smaller conference. A few posts ago it was pointed out some of the schools LE committed their kids at. Just to name a few Bucknell, 2-6 #51, Hopkins, 4-9 #40, Colgate 3-7 #46, Holy Cross 2-4 #62, and Villanova who at 7-5 #25 had a good season but slightly less than Monmouth. Kudos to LE as these are good schools but my point is on the schools and lax not LE. There are so many good high school lacrosse kids playing at a high level now, parity is beginning to set in across the board. UDEL, High Point, Hobart, UMASS, Jacksonville are all schools that are competitive now. I know it changes yearly but the old days of looking down on small schools is something from the past. If your getting a business degree you can go anywhere. If your going for engineering go to the smart schools.[/quote]

It's not that Monmouth is a bad school, it's fine. I think the issue is that many kids/parents want to use lacrosse to get their kid into a better school than they otherwise would. Monmouth has about an 80% acceptance rate, so if you are a decent student you can get in there no problem without lacrosse. Same goes for all of the other schools you named. Some people don't look at it this way and that's fine too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not surprised. Part of the fall of Leading edge is they need players from great high schools. With Roy and the LE coach/founder RFH they are coaching 2 of the top 10 schools in NJ. Yes LE is good but they are good because they get a couple great players and the rest are players from top high schools. Stack your team with kids from top 10 lax high schools with 3 studs each year in NJ and you will look like you are so smart. You get more reps with your high school team than you do your club team. Why is Tri State good in high school? All their non BBL and LE kids play on the tristate teams. That playing together all year round helps a ton.

That is why LE asks what your school you are in even in youth program and obviously in high school. BBL does not ask that question. LE stacks the deck in their favor because their B players are fundamentally sound from top schools/towns.

However, those LE B players will get the same offers that Tri State, Blue Star, Steps or BBL players will get if they play on a top 10 to 20 lax high school team.

What an awful take. You have no idea.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of LE -Tim Roy new head coach at Chatham.

That’s a great way to kill a program. I give it 2 years max.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not surprised. Part of the fall of Leading edge is they need players from great high schools. With Roy and the LE coach/founder RFH they are coaching 2 of the top 10 schools in NJ. Yes LE is good but they are good because they get a couple great players and the rest are players from top high schools. Stack your team with kids from top 10 lax high schools with 3 studs each year in NJ and you will look like you are so smart. You get more reps with your high school team than you do your club team. Why is Tri State good in high school? All their non BBL and LE kids play on the tristate teams. That playing together all year round helps a ton.

That is why LE asks what your school you are in even in youth program and obviously in high school. BBL does not ask that question. LE stacks the deck in their favor because their B players are fundamentally sound from top schools/towns.

However, those LE B players will get the same offers that Tri State, Blue Star, Steps or BBL players will get if they play on a top 10 to 20 lax high school team.

What an awful take. You have no idea.

I agree, stated a bunch of different things that made no sense, must be a high school kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of LE -Tim Roy new head coach at Chatham.

That’s a great way to kill a program. I give it 2 years max.

Chris runs the show not Tim

If this article is accurate the first 40 to 50 2023s go fast this week and then further evaluation needed on the rest of class. Fall tournaments will be important for a lot of 23s

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...-top-recruiters-view-class-of-2023/58380

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of LE -Tim Roy new head coach at Chatham.

That’s a great way to kill a program. I give it 2 years max.

Chris runs the show not Tim

I was referring to Chatham.

September 1 is a couple days away. It will be interesting to see how the 23 class of NJ pans out with its recruiting class!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of LE -Tim Roy new head coach at Chatham.

Interesting. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures at LE. They've been losing the talent battle to other clubs with HS connections. Maybe this will help them right the ship. It is ironic though, considering he has always said he just doesn't care about NJ high school lacrosse.

Right the ship? This comment shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

1. The 22 class is almost all completely committed with an insane list of schools. 23 class will have a bunch as well very early . 24 team has reloaded its roster, and the 2025 team is probably now the best in the state after adding 5 of jersey expresses top 6 players. (All of which tri state, bbl , etc.. tried to get)
2. Just because someone is taking over a high-school job doesn’t mean the kids are going to play for LE.
3. What’s so desperate about someone taking a top 10 in NJ coaching job?

Just sounds like you are another LE back of the cage hater.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of LE -Tim Roy new head coach at Chatham.

Interesting. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures at LE. They've been losing the talent battle to other clubs with HS connections. Maybe this will help them right the ship. It is ironic though, considering he has always said he just doesn't care about NJ high school lacrosse.

Right the ship? This comment shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

1. The 22 class is almost all completely committed with an insane list of schools. 23 class will have a bunch as well very early . 24 team has reloaded its roster, and the 2025 team is probably now the best in the state after adding 5 of jersey expresses top 6 players. (All of which tri state, bbl , etc.. tried to get)
2. Just because someone is taking over a high-school job doesn’t mean the kids are going to play for LE.
3. What’s so desperate about someone taking a top 10 in NJ coaching job?

Just sounds like you are another LE back of the cage hater.

This discussion is getting boring. So much concern about being the best team in NJ, who cares. As far as any team is concerned, their record speaks for itself, so whether one speculates that a team is good, or whether a team added "top" players is irrelevant until the team proves itself. Get some quality wins against top teams and then this discussion carries more weight.

Agreed to much about one subject. This forum is not just about Leading Edge recruiting and BBL's tune that it is a better club and better at LAX than everyone else. Here is the deal and hopefully people can find other things to talk about like fall ball starting in a few weeks.

5-7 years ago LE used to commit almost 25 kids a year to D1. Just look at their website. Like someone mentioned earlier, parity is setting in with the big 3 NJ clubs and they are all pretty equal now. There are a lot of talented kids in NJ now. They are scattered amongst many clubs. LE, BBL, Tri State, Blue Star, NJ Riot, Patriot, South Shore and Mad Dog just to name the big ones, have placed kids at every single college ever mentioned in this blog!!!!!! Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Duke, Hopkins, NC, Richmond, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines (kidding no Marines), UMASS, Hobart, Villanova, I can keep going but I hope you get the point. Go on their web pages and the info is right there! Almost every darn school at some point!!

My second point is none of our NJ teams are really that good. They sometimes make it to the semi's of some tournaments but not often. BBL 2024 probably had the best chance to be above average but they lost 3 full time starters so that might hurt. Mad Dog 2025 had a chance to be special but BBL and LE are probably going to pass them. 2024 has some kids each on the big three that are really good so we will see what they do this summer. But again, they are all scattered about. All the 2023 teams are weak, weak weak, LE, BBL, Tri State and everyone else! The kids are all scattered and not one team is impressive AT ALL! 22's are basically done, I hope all the clubs update their commits web pages to show who is committed if they are not afraid to do so.

There is no reason to leave your club for any team. If you are good enough your director and staff will get you somewhere.

No team in NJ is special in terms of skill or gameplay.

No team in NJ does anything better recruiting wise. There are kids at or have been at all of the D1 schools from almost EVERY major CLUB in NJ!

I feel much better now 😜

What fall tournaments everyone going to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed to much about one subject. This forum is not just about Leading Edge recruiting and BBL's tune that it is a better club and better at LAX than everyone else. Here is the deal and hopefully people can find other things to talk about like fall ball starting in a few weeks.

5-7 years ago LE used to commit almost 25 kids a year to D1. Just look at their website. Like someone mentioned earlier, parity is setting in with the big 3 NJ clubs and they are all pretty equal now. There are a lot of talented kids in NJ now. They are scattered amongst many clubs. LE, BBL, Tri State, Blue Star, NJ Riot, Patriot, South Shore and Mad Dog just to name the big ones, have placed kids at every single college ever mentioned in this blog!!!!!! Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Duke, Hopkins, NC, Richmond, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines (kidding no Marines), UMASS, Hobart, Villanova, I can keep going but I hope you get the point. Go on their web pages and the info is right there! Almost every darn school at some point!!

My second point is none of our NJ teams are really that good. They sometimes make it to the semi's of some tournaments but not often. BBL 2024 probably had the best chance to be above average but they lost 3 full time starters so that might hurt. Mad Dog 2025 had a chance to be special but BBL and LE are probably going to pass them. 2024 has some kids each on the big three that are really good so we will see what they do this summer. But again, they are all scattered about. All the 2023 teams are weak, weak weak, LE, BBL, Tri State and everyone else! The kids are all scattered and not one team is impressive AT ALL! 22's are basically done, I hope all the clubs update their commits web pages to show who is committed if they are not afraid to do so.

There is no reason to leave your club for any team. If you are good enough your director and staff will get you somewhere.

No team in NJ is special in terms of skill or gameplay.

No team in NJ does anything better recruiting wise. There are kids at or have been at all of the D1 schools from almost EVERY major CLUB in NJ!

I feel much better now 😜

What fall tournaments everyone going to?

How dare you? Anyway, nice writeup. Fall tournaments are not out yet but it would be good to discuss here how NJ teams do in them, especially if they happen to play each other.

We don’t have fall tournament info or any schedule yet for my sons team. Ugh!

Meanwhile my daughters I have info through November complete schedule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed to much about one subject. This forum is not just about Leading Edge recruiting and BBL's tune that it is a better club and better at LAX than everyone else. Here is the deal and hopefully people can find other things to talk about like fall ball starting in a few weeks.

5-7 years ago LE used to commit almost 25 kids a year to D1. Just look at their website. Like someone mentioned earlier, parity is setting in with the big 3 NJ clubs and they are all pretty equal now. There are a lot of talented kids in NJ now. They are scattered amongst many clubs. LE, BBL, Tri State, Blue Star, NJ Riot, Patriot, South Shore and Mad Dog just to name the big ones, have placed kids at every single college ever mentioned in this blog!!!!!! Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Duke, Hopkins, NC, Richmond, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines (kidding no Marines), UMASS, Hobart, Villanova, I can keep going but I hope you get the point. Go on their web pages and the info is right there! Almost every darn school at some point!!

My second point is none of our NJ teams are really that good. They sometimes make it to the semi's of some tournaments but not often. BBL 2024 probably had the best chance to be above average but they lost 3 full time starters so that might hurt. Mad Dog 2025 had a chance to be special but BBL and LE are probably going to pass them. 2024 has some kids each on the big three that are really good so we will see what they do this summer. But again, they are all scattered about. All the 2023 teams are weak, weak weak, LE, BBL, Tri State and everyone else! The kids are all scattered and not one team is impressive AT ALL! 22's are basically done, I hope all the clubs update their commits web pages to show who is committed if they are not afraid to do so.

There is no reason to leave your club for any team. If you are good enough your director and staff will get you somewhere.

No team in NJ is special in terms of skill or gameplay.

No team in NJ does anything better recruiting wise. There are kids at or have been at all of the D1 schools from almost EVERY major CLUB in NJ!

I feel much better now 😜

What fall tournaments everyone going to?

3 NJ kids were invited to Midnight Madness. TriState, LE & Riot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed to much about one subject. This forum is not just about Leading Edge recruiting and BBL's tune that it is a better club and better at LAX than everyone else. Here is the deal and hopefully people can find other things to talk about like fall ball starting in a few weeks.

5-7 years ago LE used to commit almost 25 kids a year to D1. Just look at their website. Like someone mentioned earlier, parity is setting in with the big 3 NJ clubs and they are all pretty equal now. There are a lot of talented kids in NJ now. They are scattered amongst many clubs. LE, BBL, Tri State, Blue Star, NJ Riot, Patriot, South Shore and Mad Dog just to name the big ones, have placed kids at every single college ever mentioned in this blog!!!!!! Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Duke, Hopkins, NC, Richmond, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines (kidding no Marines), UMASS, Hobart, Villanova, I can keep going but I hope you get the point. Go on their web pages and the info is right there! Almost every darn school at some point!!

My second point is none of our NJ teams are really that good. They sometimes make it to the semi's of some tournaments but not often. BBL 2024 probably had the best chance to be above average but they lost 3 full time starters so that might hurt. Mad Dog 2025 had a chance to be special but BBL and LE are probably going to pass them. 2024 has some kids each on the big three that are really good so we will see what they do this summer. But again, they are all scattered about. All the 2023 teams are weak, weak weak, LE, BBL, Tri State and everyone else! The kids are all scattered and not one team is impressive AT ALL! 22's are basically done, I hope all the clubs update their commits web pages to show who is committed if they are not afraid to do so.

There is no reason to leave your club for any team. If you are good enough your director and staff will get you somewhere.

No team in NJ is special in terms of skill or gameplay.

No team in NJ does anything better recruiting wise. There are kids at or have been at all of the D1 schools from almost EVERY major CLUB in NJ!

I feel much better now 😜

What fall tournaments everyone going to?

3 NJ kids were invited to Midnight Madness. TriState, LE & Riot.

I'm not sure having only 3 is a good thing!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed to much about one subject. This forum is not just about Leading Edge recruiting and BBL's tune that it is a better club and better at LAX than everyone else. Here is the deal and hopefully people can find other things to talk about like fall ball starting in a few weeks.

5-7 years ago LE used to commit almost 25 kids a year to D1. Just look at their website. Like someone mentioned earlier, parity is setting in with the big 3 NJ clubs and they are all pretty equal now. There are a lot of talented kids in NJ now. They are scattered amongst many clubs. LE, BBL, Tri State, Blue Star, NJ Riot, Patriot, South Shore and Mad Dog just to name the big ones, have placed kids at every single college ever mentioned in this blog!!!!!! Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Duke, Hopkins, NC, Richmond, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines (kidding no Marines), UMASS, Hobart, Villanova, I can keep going but I hope you get the point. Go on their web pages and the info is right there! Almost every darn school at some point!!

My second point is none of our NJ teams are really that good. They sometimes make it to the semi's of some tournaments but not often. BBL 2024 probably had the best chance to be above average but they lost 3 full time starters so that might hurt. Mad Dog 2025 had a chance to be special but BBL and LE are probably going to pass them. 2024 has some kids each on the big three that are really good so we will see what they do this summer. But again, they are all scattered about. All the 2023 teams are weak, weak weak, LE, BBL, Tri State and everyone else! The kids are all scattered and not one team is impressive AT ALL! 22's are basically done, I hope all the clubs update their commits web pages to show who is committed if they are not afraid to do so.

There is no reason to leave your club for any team. If you are good enough your director and staff will get you somewhere.

No team in NJ is special in terms of skill or gameplay.

No team in NJ does anything better recruiting wise. There are kids at or have been at all of the D1 schools from almost EVERY major CLUB in NJ!

I feel much better now 😜

What fall tournaments everyone going to?

3 NJ kids were invited to Midnight Madness. TriState, LE & Riot.

I'm not sure having only 3 is a good thing!

How many were invited total? 3 is not terrible but would like to see that number around 8.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed to much about one subject. This forum is not just about Leading Edge recruiting and BBL's tune that it is a better club and better at LAX than everyone else. Here is the deal and hopefully people can find other things to talk about like fall ball starting in a few weeks.

5-7 years ago LE used to commit almost 25 kids a year to D1. Just look at their website. Like someone mentioned earlier, parity is setting in with the big 3 NJ clubs and they are all pretty equal now. There are a lot of talented kids in NJ now. They are scattered amongst many clubs. LE, BBL, Tri State, Blue Star, NJ Riot, Patriot, South Shore and Mad Dog just to name the big ones, have placed kids at every single college ever mentioned in this blog!!!!!! Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Duke, Hopkins, NC, Richmond, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines (kidding no Marines), UMASS, Hobart, Villanova, I can keep going but I hope you get the point. Go on their web pages and the info is right there! Almost every darn school at some point!!

My second point is none of our NJ teams are really that good. They sometimes make it to the semi's of some tournaments but not often. BBL 2024 probably had the best chance to be above average but they lost 3 full time starters so that might hurt. Mad Dog 2025 had a chance to be special but BBL and LE are probably going to pass them. 2024 has some kids each on the big three that are really good so we will see what they do this summer. But again, they are all scattered about. All the 2023 teams are weak, weak weak, LE, BBL, Tri State and everyone else! The kids are all scattered and not one team is impressive AT ALL! 22's are basically done, I hope all the clubs update their commits web pages to show who is committed if they are not afraid to do so.

There is no reason to leave your club for any team. If you are good enough your director and staff will get you somewhere.

No team in NJ is special in terms of skill or gameplay.

No team in NJ does anything better recruiting wise. There are kids at or have been at all of the D1 schools from almost EVERY major CLUB in NJ!

I feel much better now 😜

What fall tournaments everyone going to?

Good Post...basically hit everything right on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed to much about one subject. This forum is not just about Leading Edge recruiting and BBL's tune that it is a better club and better at LAX than everyone else. Here is the deal and hopefully people can find other things to talk about like fall ball starting in a few weeks.

5-7 years ago LE used to commit almost 25 kids a year to D1. Just look at their website. Like someone mentioned earlier, parity is setting in with the big 3 NJ clubs and they are all pretty equal now. There are a lot of talented kids in NJ now. They are scattered amongst many clubs. LE, BBL, Tri State, Blue Star, NJ Riot, Patriot, South Shore and Mad Dog just to name the big ones, have placed kids at every single college ever mentioned in this blog!!!!!! Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Duke, Hopkins, NC, Richmond, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines (kidding no Marines), UMASS, Hobart, Villanova, I can keep going but I hope you get the point. Go on their web pages and the info is right there! Almost every darn school at some point!!

My second point is none of our NJ teams are really that good. They sometimes make it to the semi's of some tournaments but not often. BBL 2024 probably had the best chance to be above average but they lost 3 full time starters so that might hurt. Mad Dog 2025 had a chance to be special but BBL and LE are probably going to pass them. 2024 has some kids each on the big three that are really good so we will see what they do this summer. But again, they are all scattered about. All the 2023 teams are weak, weak weak, LE, BBL, Tri State and everyone else! The kids are all scattered and not one team is impressive AT ALL! 22's are basically done, I hope all the clubs update their commits web pages to show who is committed if they are not afraid to do so.

There is no reason to leave your club for any team. If you are good enough your director and staff will get you somewhere.

No team in NJ is special in terms of skill or gameplay.

No team in NJ does anything better recruiting wise. There are kids at or have been at all of the D1 schools from almost EVERY major CLUB in NJ!

I feel much better now 😜

What fall tournaments everyone going to?

How dare you? Anyway, nice writeup. Fall tournaments are not out yet but it would be good to discuss here how NJ teams do in them, especially if they happen to play each other.

NLF Fall Championship is 11/22/2021

NLF Fall Championship is 11/22/2021

Who cares?

And you wonder why there are LE haters on here. LE lover please talk about a tournament that has another team in norther/central NJ on here. Or make a LE forum on here where you can all pump up your LE chests.

LE is Great! NLF is great. If it were really great don't you think LE would allow more than 1 north Jersey team in the NLF. Too scared i guess.

NLF organizers won’t let in a team that they are scared of in 2026. They know which team I’m referring to. Weak move.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF organizers won’t let in a team that they are scared of in 2026. They know which team I’m referring to. Weak move.

I would worry less about NLF and start looking at 3StepSports, they are taking over Lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF Fall Championship is 11/22/2021

Who cares?

And you wonder why there are LE haters on here. LE lover please talk about a tournament that has another team in norther/central NJ on here. Or make a LE forum on here where you can all pump up your LE chests.

LE is Great! NLF is great. If it were really great don't you think LE would allow more than 1 north Jersey team in the NLF. Too scared i guess.

Not an LE lover, far from it. But wouldn’t you do the same thing too? It’s part of the differentiation that they have as a club. It’s kind of smart.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF Fall Championship is 11/22/2021

Who cares?

And you wonder why there are LE haters on here. LE lover please talk about a tournament that has another team in norther/central NJ on here. Or make a LE forum on here where you can all pump up your LE chests.

LE is Great! NLF is great. If it were really great don't you think LE would allow more than 1 north Jersey team in the NLF. Too scared i guess.

Not an LE lover, far from it. But wouldn’t you do the same thing too? It’s part of the differentiation that they have as a club. It’s kind of smart.

Naptown and NAL have the same scouts at their large summer tournaments as the NLF does. Just sayin.

Agree LE has an advantage.

Enjoy the ride in high school. I do club so my children have a
an awesome high school sports experience. I only have 1child that even wants to play lacrosse in college. If he does great if does not great. Cost me almost the same for his college either way.

Sports in college is great but it is a job you most likely will be paid peanuts in assistance for playing.

A football or basketball prodigy would be something else at a good D1. Full ride.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF Fall Championship is 11/22/2021

Who cares?

And you wonder why there are LE haters on here. LE lover please talk about a tournament that has another team in norther/central NJ on here. Or make a LE forum on here where you can all pump up your LE chests.

LE is Great! NLF is great. If it were really great don't you think LE would allow more than 1 north Jersey team in the NLF. Too scared i guess.

Not an LE lover, far from it. But wouldn’t you do the same thing too? It’s part of the differentiation that they have as a club. It’s kind of smart.

Naptown and NAL have the same scouts at their large summer tournaments as the NLF does. Just sayin.

Naptown and NAL are also MASSIVE tournaments. I'm not saying thats a bad thing. Coaches flock to all 3 events, but I tend to believe a smaller event with the same number of coaches is more beneficial.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF Fall Championship is 11/22/2021

Who cares?

And you wonder why there are LE haters on here. LE lover please talk about a tournament that has another team in norther/central NJ on here. Or make a LE forum on here where you can all pump up your LE chests.

LE is Great! NLF is great. If it were really great don't you think LE would allow more than 1 north Jersey team in the NLF. Too scared i guess.

Not an LE lover, far from it. But wouldn’t you do the same thing too? It’s part of the differentiation that they have as a club. It’s kind of smart.

Naptown and NAL have the same scouts at their large summer tournaments as the NLF does. Just sayin.

So does the big NXT one, not the smaller one. NLF is not the only show in town.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF Fall Championship is 11/22/2021

Who cares?

And you wonder why there are LE haters on here. LE lover please talk about a tournament that has another team in norther/central NJ on here. Or make a LE forum on here where you can all pump up your LE chests.

LE is Great! NLF is great. If it were really great don't you think LE would allow more than 1 north Jersey team in the NLF. Too scared i guess.

Not an LE lover, far from it. But wouldn’t you do the same thing too? It’s part of the differentiation that they have as a club. It’s kind of smart.

Naptown and NAL have the same scouts at their large summer tournaments as the NLF does. Just sayin.

Naptown and NAL are also MASSIVE tournaments. I'm not saying thats a bad thing. Coaches flock to all 3 events, but I tend to believe a smaller event with the same number of coaches is more beneficial.

I guess the question is whether a poor showing at NLF is a disadvantage. If you are not advancing, is there as much exposure to college coaches, I don't know the answer, but just a thought. In comparison, NAL had a ton of coaches that attended the consolation games as well because the field was so strong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF Fall Championship is 11/22/2021

Who cares?

And you wonder why there are LE haters on here. LE lover please talk about a tournament that has another team in norther/central NJ on here. Or make a LE forum on here where you can all pump up your LE chests.

LE is Great! NLF is great. If it were really great don't you think LE would allow more than 1 north Jersey team in the NLF. Too scared i guess.

Not an LE lover, far from it. But wouldn’t you do the same thing too? It’s part of the differentiation that they have as a club. It’s kind of smart.

Naptown and NAL have the same scouts at their large summer tournaments as the NLF does. Just sayin.

Naptown and NAL are also MASSIVE tournaments. I'm not saying thats a bad thing. Coaches flock to all 3 events, but I tend to believe a smaller event with the same number of coaches is more beneficial.

The NLF is just as big as them at the HS level, maybe 8 teams less per grade year than Naptown, so I am not sure what your point is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF Fall Championship is 11/22/2021

Who cares?

And you wonder why there are LE haters on here. LE lover please talk about a tournament that has another team in norther/central NJ on here. Or make a LE forum on here where you can all pump up your LE chests.

LE is Great! NLF is great. If it were really great don't you think LE would allow more than 1 north Jersey team in the NLF. Too scared i guess.

Not an LE lover, far from it. But wouldn’t you do the same thing too? It’s part of the differentiation that they have as a club. It’s kind of smart.

Naptown and NAL have the same scouts at their large summer tournaments as the NLF does. Just sayin.

Naptown and NAL are also MASSIVE tournaments. I'm not saying thats a bad thing. Coaches flock to all 3 events, but I tend to believe a smaller event with the same number of coaches is more beneficial.

I guess the question is whether a poor showing at NLF is a disadvantage. If you are not advancing, is there as much exposure to college coaches, I don't know the answer, but just a thought. In comparison, NAL had a ton of coaches that attended the consolation games as well because the field was so strong.

There were scouts at all the initial divisional games at NLF, Naptown, Crabfeast and NAL. They do not just go to the championship games. There are kids they want to look at on teams that will not make the Final 4.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF organizers won’t let in a team that they are scared of in 2026. They know which team I’m referring to. Weak move.

I would worry less about NLF and start looking at 3StepSports, they are taking over Lacrosse.

I never heard of 3 Steps until yesterday...they just bought and took over NXT, tried to purchase Freedom but were denied and apparently they are in negotiations to purchase the Annapolis Hawks???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF organizers won’t let in a team that they are scared of in 2026. They know which team I’m referring to. Weak move.

I would worry less about NLF and start looking at 3StepSports, they are taking over Lacrosse.

I never heard of 3 Steps until yesterday...they just bought and took over NXT, tried to purchase Freedom but were denied and apparently they are in negotiations to purchase the Annapolis Hawks???

They acquired HoganLax in August. Along with the events owned by Hogan, they also got the Hawks as part of the deal.

People are right in being concerned about 3 Step. This level of consolidation can be very dangerous. If one organization owns all the events, they dictate everything from the rules and who can participate to the cost to do so. I would be very worried if 3Step started acquiring some of these multi-sport venues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF Fall Championship is 11/22/2021

Who cares?

And you wonder why there are LE haters on here. LE lover please talk about a tournament that has another team in norther/central NJ on here. Or make a LE forum on here where you can all pump up your LE chests.

LE is Great! NLF is great. If it were really great don't you think LE would allow more than 1 north Jersey team in the NLF. Too scared i guess.

Not an LE lover, far from it. But wouldn’t you do the same thing too? It’s part of the differentiation that they have as a club. It’s kind of smart.

Naptown and NAL have the same scouts at their large summer tournaments as the NLF does. Just sayin.

Naptown and NAL are also MASSIVE tournaments. I'm not saying thats a bad thing. Coaches flock to all 3 events, but I tend to believe a smaller event with the same number of coaches is more beneficial.

I guess the question is whether a poor showing at NLF is a disadvantage. If you are not advancing, is there as much exposure to college coaches, I don't know the answer, but just a thought. In comparison, NAL had a ton of coaches that attended the consolation games as well because the field was so strong.

There were scouts at all the initial divisional games at NLF, Naptown, Crabfeast and NAL. They do not just go to the championship games. There are kids they want to look at on teams that will not make the Final 4.

My comment was not meant to suggest that coaches just go to championship games, I was just wondering what it is like at the NLF games. Also, my use of the word "comparison" was probably a bad choice, I simply meant to note that, unlike a lot of other tournaments, there were a lot of coaches at the NAL consolation games because there were a lot of very good teams playing in the consolation rounds.

Towermen?

Towerman? I heard they only have a decent 2026 team. A one off team. They don’t have a full program for all grades at this time.they are very proud and love to shout out about themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Towerman? I heard they only have a decent 2026 team. A one off team. They don’t have a full program for all grades at this time.they are very proud and love to shout out about themselves.

Decent? Hah. Ranked 6 in the nation. They beat number 1 and number 2 and took number 3 and 4 to OT. I’d say they are a bit better than decent.

Towermen?

Towerman? I heard they only have a decent 2026 team. A one off team. They don’t have a full program for all grades at this time.they are very proud and love to shout out about themselves.

Decent? Hah. Ranked 6 in the nation. They beat number 1 and number 2 and took number 3 and 4 to OT. I’d say they are a bit better than decent.

Okay. I thought someone asking about the club. So trying to help I thought. I don't have a 2026 so sorry. However, it is not a myth Towermen parents crow a lot about that team. The BBL 2025 does not crow this much(my son is not on the BBL 25). LOL.

Are you guys going to WSYL? I am sure you will be number 1 after the WSYL. That helped a lot of teams with their rankings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Towermen?

Towerman? I heard they only have a decent 2026 team. A one off team. They don’t have a full program for all grades at this time.they are very proud and love to shout out about themselves.

Decent? Hah. Ranked 6 in the nation. They beat number 1 and number 2 and took number 3 and 4 to OT. I’d say they are a bit better than decent.

Okay. I thought someone asking about the club. So trying to help I thought. I don't have a 2026 so sorry. However, it is not a myth Towermen parents crow a lot about that team. The BBL 2025 does not crow this much(my son is not on the BBL 25). LOL.

Are you guys going to WSYL? I am sure you will be number 1 after the WSYL. That helped a lot of teams with their rankings.

Towermen trolls, come out to playyyyyy

Where are all the 2023s going? Not much news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the 2023s going? Not much news.

It will trickle in slowly, the 9/1 date is over-hyped

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF organizers won’t let in a team that they are scared of in 2026. They know which team I’m referring to. Weak move.

I would worry less about NLF and start looking at 3StepSports, they are taking over Lacrosse.

I never heard of 3 Steps until yesterday...they just bought and took over NXT, tried to purchase Freedom but were denied and apparently they are in negotiations to purchase the Annapolis Hawks???

They acquired HoganLax in August. Along with the events owned by Hogan, they also got the Hawks as part of the deal.

People are right in being concerned about 3 Step. This level of consolidation can be very dangerous. If one organization owns all the events, they dictate everything from the rules and who can participate to the cost to do so. I would be very worried if 3Step started acquiring some of these multi-sport venues.

Any idea who the money is behind 3Step? If they take over all the events. They could box a club out that goes after their players. Charge much less if they are making all their money on events and renting fields.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF organizers won’t let in a team that they are scared of in 2026. They know which team I’m referring to. Weak move.

I would worry less about NLF and start looking at 3StepSports, they are taking over Lacrosse.

I never heard of 3 Steps until yesterday...they just bought and took over NXT, tried to purchase Freedom but were denied and apparently they are in negotiations to purchase the Annapolis Hawks???

They acquired HoganLax in August. Along with the events owned by Hogan, they also got the Hawks as part of the deal.

People are right in being concerned about 3 Step. This level of consolidation can be very dangerous. If one organization owns all the events, they dictate everything from the rules and who can participate to the cost to do so. I would be very worried if 3Step started acquiring some of these multi-sport venues.

Any idea who the money is behind 3Step? If they take over all the events. They could box a club out that goes after their players. Charge much less if they are making all their money on events and renting fields.

Private Equity money. Juggernaut is one of the investors.

Interestingly they are also investing in sports facilities, though at this point it seems fairly regional (North East) and focused on basketball and baseball.

Interesting thing on Juggernaut's site about 3Step:
3 STEP owns and manages youth sports clubs, operates youth sporting events and camps and sells related apparel.

In addition, 3 STEP provides proprietary, subscription-based athlete scouting data, content and analytics to colleges and leading media outlets.

Hi has anyone had the experience of a club dropping a year due to coaching, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hi has anyone had the experience of a club dropping a year due to coaching, etc.

United & Mad Dog has done it. Too many teams on the Shore and not enough players.

I am looking for a good team for my 2028. A lot of teams seem thin at this grade/year and we are hoping to find a program with enough players that there can be more than one team so that the boys can be taught and compete at an appropriate level. We are located in Central NJ. Thank you and good luck with your Fall Ball

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am looking for a good team for my 2028. A lot of teams seem thin at this grade/year and we are hoping to find a program with enough players that there can be more than one team so that the boys can be taught and compete at an appropriate level. We are located in Central NJ. Thank you and good luck with your Fall Ball

Blue Star typically has several teams at each age group, but not sure about 2028, also a central jersey team.

Any NJ 2023 commit yet?

Bbl, patriot and steps have great youth training.

2026 question; who is happy with your team? Good coaching, competitive tournament and coaching. We may need to make a switch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2026 question; who is happy with your team? Good coaching, competitive tournament and coaching. We may need to make a switch.

what part of NJ and who are you with now? It all is based on what you want.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2026 question; who is happy with your team? Good coaching, competitive tournament and coaching. We may need to make a switch.

What program are you currently with and what are you making the switch for? That may help you make your decision.

For 28 teams: BBL north, Jersey Express south. You can also do some of the PA teams. Rough Riders has some NJ kids on 27. I have no exposure to RR for the 28's. Overall 28 have head count numbers less than 25, 27, 29 so most clubs have a single team. Depending on what you are looking for. AA see above, single A team you have more options. What position is your son?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any NJ 2023 commit yet?

Should see a few go this weekend or over the next week

Lawrenceville kid went the other day. Probably one of the fogo’s next, NJ has a few good ‘23s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lawrenceville kid went the other day. Probably one of the fogo’s next, NJ has a few good ‘23s.

According to IL there are 10 4 star kids in NJ.. 2 NJ Riot, 4 LE, 1 2Knights, and zero for BBL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lawrenceville kid went the other day. Probably one of the fogo’s next, NJ has a few good ‘23s.

According to IL there are 10 4 star kids in NJ.. 2 NJ Riot, 4 LE, 1 2Knights, and zero for BBL!

Keep in mind that most Lawrenceville kids are not from NJ, so you can shorten that list a bit

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lawrenceville kid went the other day. Probably one of the fogo’s next, NJ has a few good ‘23s.

According to IL there are 10 4 star kids in NJ.. 2 NJ Riot, 4 LE, 1 2Knights, and zero for BBL!

Keep in mind that most Lawrenceville kids are not from NJ, so you can shorten that list a bit

BBL ZERO!

I am not surprised by BBL having zero 23. They are pretty loyal to their players. They don’t do the LE and try and replace the bottom 8 players. I believe with growth that is why they are going to try this national thing. Otherwise the non black team players will see there is no real chance to make the black team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not surprised by BBL having zero 23. They are pretty loyal to their players. They don’t do the LE and try and replace the bottom 8 players. I believe with growth that is why they are going to try this national thing. Otherwise the non black team players will see there is no real chance to make the black team.

Based on this post BBL will never have 4 Star players when they get into high school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lawrenceville kid went the other day. Probably one of the fogo’s next, NJ has a few good ‘23s.

According to IL there are 10 4 star kids in NJ.. 2 NJ Riot, 4 LE, 1 2Knights, and zero for BBL!

Keep in mind that most Lawrenceville kids are not from NJ, so you can shorten that list a bit

BBL ZERO!

Don't get it flipped...both BBL 23 and LE 23 are not very good teams...LE has 5 really good kids, actually borderline studs, not one of whom they developed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not surprised by BBL having zero 23. They are pretty loyal to their players. They don’t do the LE and try and replace the bottom 8 players. I believe with growth that is why they are going to try this national thing. Otherwise the non black team players will see there is no real chance to make the black team.

Based on this post BBL will never have 4 Star players when they get into high school?

It depends on how many LE can poach after their freshman year in high school so LE can say they put kids at D1 schools, facts!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not surprised by BBL having zero 23. They are pretty loyal to their players. They don’t do the LE and try and replace the bottom 8 players. I believe with growth that is why they are going to try this national thing. Otherwise the non black team players will see there is no real chance to make the black team.

Based on this post BBL will never have 4 Star players when they get into high school?

It depends on how many LE can poach after their freshman year in high school so LE can say they put kids at D1 schools, facts!

So you are saying that any good BBL should leave from LE if they want to play D1?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not surprised by BBL having zero 23. They are pretty loyal to their players. They don’t do the LE and try and replace the bottom 8 players. I believe with growth that is why they are going to try this national thing. Otherwise the non black team players will see there is no real chance to make the black team.

Based on this post BBL will never have 4 Star players when they get into high school?

It depends on how many LE can poach after their freshman year in high school so LE can say they put kids at D1 schools, facts!

So you are saying that any good BBL should leave from LE if they want to play D1?

Not at all you do not need LE for that anymore. They can stay and still go D1, just like kids at all Blue Star, Riot, Patriot, Tri State and all the others do. They all have kids that have went D1 over the years to the same schools.

There is a good player some years on BBL North Helix and I am sure same for south. BBL is hoping national team helps keep them with BBL. because of BBL loyalty to all teams and obviously black these players leave in 8th or 9th grade and the nort and helix teams go from high 70 to 100 ranking to 200 plus.

These players go to steps, prime time, LE if good enough, Blue star, riot or tri state.

BBL trying to change black only viable team in high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a good player some years on BBL North Helix and I am sure same for south. BBL is hoping national team helps keep them with BBL. because of BBL loyalty to all teams and obviously black these players leave in 8th or 9th grade and the nort and helix teams go from high 70 to 100 ranking to 200 plus.

These players go to steps, prime time, LE if good enough, Blue star, riot or tri state.

BBL trying to change black only viable team in high school.

Riot on the rise..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lawrenceville kid went the other day. Probably one of the fogo’s next, NJ has a few good ‘23s.

According to IL there are 10 4 star kids in NJ.. 2 NJ Riot, 4 LE, 1 2Knights, and zero for BBL!

Keep in mind that most Lawrenceville kids are not from NJ, so you can shorten that list a bit

BBL ZERO!

Don't get it flipped...both BBL 23 and LE 23 are not very good teams...LE has 5 really good kids, actually borderline studs, not one of whom they developed.

That’s a false statement . The fogo/midfielder that just commit to Maryland has been a leading edge kid forever . The leading edge knock of not developing kids is only because a lot of really good players leave bbl or other programs and go to leading edge later on in their club careers because they want to get recruited .

Can the notIntelligent bbl and LE comparison just be done with already? All programs have good players. Some are developed within, some leave and go to other programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lawrenceville kid went the other day. Probably one of the fogo’s next, NJ has a few good ‘23s.

According to IL there are 10 4 star kids in NJ.. 2 NJ Riot, 4 LE, 1 2Knights, and zero for BBL!

Keep in mind that most Lawrenceville kids are not from NJ, so you can shorten that list a bit

BBL ZERO!

Don't get it flipped...both BBL 23 and LE 23 are not very good teams...LE has 5 really good kids, actually borderline studs, not one of whom they developed.

What is your definition of “developing a kid?”

If a kid goes to LE in 7th or 8th grade, and commits his sophomore/junior year … are you saying you credit the “development” when he was in 3rd-6th grade? What about the most important grades of his career, 8-junior year ?

The lack of lacrosse knowledge by some of you NJ parents is quite embarrassing .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lawrenceville kid went the other day. Probably one of the fogo’s next, NJ has a few good ‘23s.

According to IL there are 10 4 star kids in NJ.. 2 NJ Riot, 4 LE, 1 2Knights, and zero for BBL!

Keep in mind that most Lawrenceville kids are not from NJ, so you can shorten that list a bit

BBL ZERO!

Don't get it flipped...both BBL 23 and LE 23 are not very good teams...LE has 5 really good kids, actually borderline studs, not one of whom they developed.

What is your definition of “developing a kid?”

If a kid goes to LE in 7th or 8th grade, and commits his sophomore/junior year … are you saying you credit the “development” when he was in 3rd-6th grade? What about the most important grades of his career, 8-junior year ?

The lack of lacrosse knowledge by some of you NJ parents is quite embarrassing .

Lack of lacrosse knowledge only topped by their lack of any understanding about the college recruitment process.

The 2023 NJ class is weaker than past years. For Leading Edge to have 1 2023 to boast about on September 20th is a weak year. And yes all other NJ clubs have zero on the 20th.

I really don't think the club develops the player. Club is a part of the development.

Formula:

#1 You are a great athlete and in more than 1 sport if possible.

Get on the best club team you can
Get on the best high school team you can
Reclass if you have to but colleges are catching on to this and committing to kids in their senior year.
Practice on your own a ton.
A lot of these kids on LE and Prime Time even have private coaches and that is a given for FOGO.

You can do all these and not be on a great club and get into a D1 if you have the size for that position.

Examples last year
John Hopkins in 2022 from Blue Star and 02 Lacrosse.
Princeton 2022 NJ Riot
Penn Steps 2022
Yale and penn state Tri State 2021 no Big 10 ACC Ivy in 22

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not surprised by BBL having zero 23. They are pretty loyal to their players. They don’t do the LE and try and replace the bottom 8 players. I believe with growth that is why they are going to try this national thing. Otherwise the non black team players will see there is no real chance to make the black team.

Based on this post BBL will never have 4 Star players when they get into high school?

No. They have a North Carolina in their 22 class. They joined all the Club.

BBL is a great club and very loyal to all their teams. They ride with their 4th, 5th and 6th kids as long as they want to stay on the black. I am just saying good North, Helix and now bbl south players will take the training to a certain grade and leave because they can’t crack the black team. The bottom 7 on a black team any year are not going to be better than all the north, helix and south players. Parents not on black get that after 1 year.

That is why bbl is trying national team to alleviate this elephant in the room.

Bbl had a 4 star 22 and it won’t be their last. 1 is a start!

A number of NJ players are starting to commit this week. Covid & the transfer portal have slowed the process for all. Rutgers for example has 15 players they picked up in the portal. The next 3 to 4 years are not going to be fun for parents and kids. What were 10 early commits is now going to be 3 to 4.

NJLC beat the rest to the punch with at ‘23 to Hofstra.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJLC beat the rest to the punch with at ‘23 to Hofstra.

LE kid to Maryland last week with a couple more this week I would assume. Not a competition though. Hopefully NJ is well represented as a whole.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJLC beat the rest to the punch with at ‘23 to Hofstra.

Terrific achievement for the NJLC kid, and a great example why many of the comments on this forum are from uninformed posters. I think that the action will be steady, but slow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A number of NJ players are starting to commit this week. Covid & the transfer portal have slowed the process for all. Rutgers for example has 15 players they picked up in the portal. The next 3 to 4 years are not going to be fun for parents and kids. What were 10 early commits is now going to be 3 to 4.

Did Rutgers really sign 15 players from the transfer portal? That number seems extremely high.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A number of NJ players are starting to commit this week. Covid & the transfer portal have slowed the process for all. Rutgers for example has 15 players they picked up in the portal. The next 3 to 4 years are not going to be fun for parents and kids. What were 10 early commits is now going to be 3 to 4.

Did Rutgers really sign 15 players from the transfer portal? That number seems extremely high.

Its been over the past couple of years. Technically doesn't Charalambides have another year and could have come back if he didn't join the PLL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJLC beat the rest to the punch with at ‘23 to Hofstra.

LE kid to Maryland last week with a couple more this week I would assume. Not a competition though. Hopefully NJ is well represented as a whole.

LE kid to Navy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJLC beat the rest to the punch with at ‘23 to Hofstra.

LE kid to Maryland last week with a couple more this week I would assume. Not a competition though. Hopefully NJ is well represented as a whole.

LE kid to Navy

That is the wall kid. Very very good player. LE continues to do what they do. detest em or love em, kids get recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJLC beat the rest to the punch with at ‘23 to Hofstra.

LE kid to Maryland last week with a couple more this week I would assume. Not a competition though. Hopefully NJ is well represented as a whole.

LE kid to Navy

That is the wall kid. Very very good player. LE continues to do what they do. detest em or love em, kids get recruited.

LE is a good program and NJ 2023 still looks week. If you want to get recruited we really have to cross the river. 5 and counting at Prime Time. They are minting D1. Crazy.

The IL recruiting "expert" on twitter has talked about it being a slow recruiting year across the board. A lot less kids committed at this point than the past couple years. Every NJ club will have their time, no reason to panic and flee.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJLC beat the rest to the punch with at ‘23 to Hofstra.

LE kid to Maryland last week with a couple more this week I would assume. Not a competition though. Hopefully NJ is well represented as a whole.

LE kid to Navy

That is the wall kid. Very very good player. LE continues to do what they do. detest em or love em, kids get recruited.

no

That kid would have got recruited on any team he played for. But kudos to him.

Tri-State gets on the board

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJLC beat the rest to the punch with at ‘23 to Hofstra.

LE kid to Maryland last week with a couple more this week I would assume. Not a competition though. Hopefully NJ is well represented as a whole.

LE kid to Navy

That is the wall kid. Very very good player. LE continues to do what they do. detest em or love em, kids get recruited.

LE is a good program and NJ 2023 still looks week. If you want to get recruited we really have to cross the river. 5 and counting at Prime Time. They are minting D1. Crazy.

The first wave of 2023 is the top boarding schools and top Prep schools and Long Island Catholics. Not the clubs. Would be great if high schools meant more than clubs.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/commitments?class=2023&league=1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJLC beat the rest to the punch with at ‘23 to Hofstra.

LE kid to Maryland last week with a couple more this week I would assume. Not a competition though. Hopefully NJ is well represented as a whole.

LE kid to Navy

That is the wall kid. Very very good player. LE continues to do what they do. detest em or love em, kids get recruited.

no

That kid would have got recruited on any team he played for. But kudos to him.

This is true, terrific player

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJLC beat the rest to the punch with at ‘23 to Hofstra.

LE kid to Maryland last week with a couple more this week I would assume. Not a competition though. Hopefully NJ is well represented as a whole.

LE kid to Navy

That is the wall kid. Very very good player. LE continues to do what they do. detest em or love em, kids get recruited.

They do recruit well, however, 3-4 years ago almost half the team was committed early on. I would say about 4-5 will be this fall. That's a big step backward. Not saying they are not a good option, but don't expect it to be automatic if you are on their roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJLC beat the rest to the punch with at ‘23 to Hofstra.

LE kid to Maryland last week with a couple more this week I would assume. Not a competition though. Hopefully NJ is well represented as a whole.

LE kid to Navy

That is the wall kid. Very very good player. LE continues to do what they do. detest em or love em, kids get recruited.

They do recruit well, however, 3-4 years ago almost half the team was committed early on. I would say about 4-5 will be this fall. That's a big step backward. Not saying they are not a good option, but don't expect it to be automatic if you are on their roster.

There are a lot more players out there these days, along with the transfer portal and 5th year seniors.. might be more about demand vs. a step backwards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJLC beat the rest to the punch with at ‘23 to Hofstra.

LE kid to Maryland last week with a couple more this week I would assume. Not a competition though. Hopefully NJ is well represented as a whole.

LE kid to Navy

That is the wall kid. Very very good player. LE continues to do what they do. detest em or love em, kids get recruited.

They do recruit well, however, 3-4 years ago almost half the team was committed early on. I would say about 4-5 will be this fall. That's a big step backward. Not saying they are not a good option, but don't expect it to be automatic if you are on their roster.

There are a lot more players out there these days, along with the transfer portal and 5th year seniors.. might be more about demand vs. a step backwards.

LE put 2023 at Brown.. detest em or love em, kids get recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJLC beat the rest to the punch with at ‘23 to Hofstra.

LE kid to Maryland last week with a couple more this week I would assume. Not a competition though. Hopefully NJ is well represented as a whole.

LE kid to Navy

That is the wall kid. Very very good player. LE continues to do what they do. detest em or love em, kids get recruited.

They do recruit well, however, 3-4 years ago almost half the team was committed early on. I would say about 4-5 will be this fall. That's a big step backward. Not saying they are not a good option, but don't expect it to be automatic if you are on their roster.

Something really rare in this world happened last year if you were not aware. There was a virus that hit and really changed a lot of things. One of those things actually happens to be college recruiting believe it or not.

Like someone mentioned , college programs now have a surplus of 5th and 6th year players, as well as a crazy transfer portal of pickups left and right. The nature of early recruits is impacted by this, mainly because some of these big time programs don’t need to jump the gun or bring in as many kids.

Facts.

Anyways, there will be a couple solid recruits for every program in NJ I would guess. Leading edge track record just happens to be better than most and continues to show that they still are a great program option for an elite kid to have the opportunity to play at the next level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJLC beat the rest to the punch with at ‘23 to Hofstra.

LE kid to Maryland last week with a couple more this week I would assume. Not a competition though. Hopefully NJ is well represented as a whole.

LE kid to Navy

That is the wall kid. Very very good player. LE continues to do what they do. detest em or love em, kids get recruited.

They do recruit well, however, 3-4 years ago almost half the team was committed early on. I would say about 4-5 will be this fall. That's a big step backward. Not saying they are not a good option, but don't expect it to be automatic if you are on their roster.

Something really rare in this world happened last year if you were not aware. There was a virus that hit and really changed a lot of things. One of those things actually happens to be college recruiting believe it or not.

Like someone mentioned , college programs now have a surplus of 5th and 6th year players, as well as a crazy transfer portal of pickups left and right. The nature of early recruits is impacted by this, mainly because some of these big time programs don’t need to jump the gun or bring in as many kids.

Facts.

Anyways, there will be a couple solid recruits for every program in NJ I would guess. Leading edge track record just happens to be better than most and continues to show that they still are a great program option for an elite kid to have the opportunity to play at the next level.

I agree something changed. The BBL kid to Brown is from a boarding school. A lot of boarding school kids and LI, Midwest and West private schools off the board first this year. I imagine the figure these schools could play more even during covid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJLC beat the rest to the punch with at ‘23 to Hofstra.

LE kid to Maryland last week with a couple more this week I would assume. Not a competition though. Hopefully NJ is well represented as a whole.

LE kid to Navy

That is the wall kid. Very very good player. LE continues to do what they do. detest em or love em, kids get recruited.

They do recruit well, however, 3-4 years ago almost half the team was committed early on. I would say about 4-5 will be this fall. That's a big step backward. Not saying they are not a good option, but don't expect it to be automatic if you are on their roster.

Something really rare in this world happened last year if you were not aware. There was a virus that hit and really changed a lot of things. One of those things actually happens to be college recruiting believe it or not.

Like someone mentioned , college programs now have a surplus of 5th and 6th year players, as well as a crazy transfer portal of pickups left and right. The nature of early recruits is impacted by this, mainly because some of these big time programs don’t need to jump the gun or bring in as many kids.

Facts.

Anyways, there will be a couple solid recruits for every program in NJ I would guess. Leading edge track record just happens to be better than most and continues to show that they still are a great program option for an elite kid to have the opportunity to play at the next level.

Yes, the pandemic also impacted the 2022 class and they were much further along than the 2023s. So that can’t be the same reason for the slowness this year.

Difference between 2022 and 2023 recruiting classes

1. Coaches were taking 2022 players sight unseen- there was no opportunity to personally evaluate prospects at summer tournaments and there were no prospect camps. Unlike last year, the 2023 players experienced a “regular” recruiting process.

2. Last year’s transfer portal wasn’t as stocked with college players looking for new landing spots compared to this year.

3. For the 2021-2022 season, a lot of college teams seem to have even more 5th year players on their rosters compared to last year

Was it me or did it seem like coaches were rushing to sign 2022 players, most they had never seen in person, before their competitors could get there first?

Maybe it’s a combination of things responsible for the slower rate of offers this year?
1. Fewer team roster spots available compared to last year
2. More and better choices available in the transfer portal
2. Buyer’s remorse from last year. Rushing to take players wasn’t a smart strategy. Better to take their time with their decisions this year.

That’s debatable. No one will know though. The 2023 class as a whole could be a little weaker?

2 years post pandemic could be worse because of the learnings after year 1?

Transfer portal is much more active now , than it was last year around September of 2020.

All of these things could be true .

I tell you what though… if a nj club program can commit 6-8 kids to high level programs in Sept/October/November.

That’s pretty darn good, no?

Yes, that would be good if a NJ club got 6-8 committed kids by November. The question is whether that will happen this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s debatable. No one will know though. The 2023 class as a whole could be a little weaker?

2 years post pandemic could be worse because of the learnings after year 1?

Transfer portal is much more active now , than it was last year around September of 2020.

All of these things could be true .

I tell you what though… if a nj club program can commit 6-8 kids to high level programs in Sept/October/November.

That’s pretty darn good, no?

Not really. The top 7-8 kids were ALWAYS going to go to a top school. They are born that way. The true question will come with what you, the director, will be able to do with number 8-15 and then 15-25. 2022’s 15-25 are struggling to commit based upon all the above listed circumstances.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, that would be good if a NJ club got 6-8 committed kids by November. The question is whether that will happen this year.

LE should have more in the next couple of weeks. Their top 2 poles are still out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s debatable. No one will know though. The 2023 class as a whole could be a little weaker?

2 years post pandemic could be worse because of the learnings after year 1?

Transfer portal is much more active now , than it was last year around September of 2020.

All of these things could be true .

I tell you what though… if a nj club program can commit 6-8 kids to high level programs in Sept/October/November.

That’s pretty darn good, no?

Not really. The top 7-8 kids were ALWAYS going to go to a top school. They are born that way. The true question will come with what you, the director, will be able to do with number 8-15 and then 15-25. 2022’s 15-25 are struggling to commit based upon all the above listed circumstances.

So the 2023's should be the last group to be severely affected by the the 5th year seniors. The current college juniors have a total of 3 years of eligibility remaining so in the2023's freshman year of college, the last crop of post grads will still be playing. The 24's will have a few more reclasses but from what I can tell there are only a few going around in NJ. NY, PA and Maryland probably have a lot more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, that would be good if a NJ club got 6-8 committed kids by November. The question is whether that will happen this year.

LE should have more in the next couple of weeks. Their top 2 poles are still out there.

Great for LE? but definitely not great for a NLF team. If LE is down in 2023 recruits the whole state of NJ is because that means 2023 was a class over the years they could not improve via their traditional come tryout or call us because we are LE in the NLF.

Maryland, Navy, Brown is not a normal LE year which means the other clubs are going to have tough year at 23 as well.

Look at Prime Time and Team 91 commits ...2023 is not bad years in NY.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, that would be good if a NJ club got 6-8 committed kids by November. The question is whether that will happen this year.

LE should have more in the next couple of weeks. Their top 2 poles are still out there.

Great for LE? but definitely not great for a NLF team. If LE is down in 2023 recruits the whole state of NJ is because that means 2023 was a class over the years they could not improve via their traditional come tryout or call us because we are LE in the NLF.

Maryland, Navy, Brown is not a normal LE year which means the other clubs are going to have tough year at 23 as well.

Look at Prime Time and Team 91 commits ...2023 is not bad years in NY.

I’m confused. Maryland , brown and navy are legitimate programs. I’m sure more will follow shortly .

Around Morris county but will drive far. Competitive program with good communication and transparency.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Around Morris county but will drive far. Competitive program with good communication and transparency.

Mad Lax, Prime Time or Team 91 LI

NJ Riot kid to Princeton!! Congrats to him.

Any ‘26! NJ teams or out of state that are drivable.
Those are too far.

Meanwhile my daughter has an amazing team great coaches, communication, good, loyal but competitive. I just want that for my son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any ‘26! NJ teams or out of state that are drivable.
Those are too far.

Meanwhile my daughter has an amazing team great coaches, communication, good, loyal but competitive. I just want that for my son.

I would say every team in NJ is loyal except LE. LE is loyal if you are in their top16 players that grade. However, loyalty is not great if you want to move up. I am not sure That BBL will promote any of their shore players, helix or north players. Ask BBL if they promoted any 26s this tryout. BBL is almost too loyal so they loose their good non black players. NJ riot may be different with moving up. Blue Star, Payryand Syeps are other options.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any ‘26! NJ teams or out of state that are drivable.
Those are too far.

Meanwhile my daughter has an amazing team great coaches, communication, good, loyal but competitive. I just want that for my son.

I would say every team in NJ is loyal except LE. LE is loyal if you are in their top16 players that grade. However, loyalty is not great if you want to move up. I am not sure That BBL will promote any of their shore players, helix or north players. Ask BBL if they promoted any 26s this tryout. BBL is almost too loyal so they loose their good non black players. NJ riot may be different with moving up. Blue Star, Payryand Syeps are other options.

Championship at World Series was express and tigers if you want to drive to long island or philly. sweetlax is in Rochester and express north is in CT. Towermen are in Jersey who went to quarterfinals in World Series.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any ‘26! NJ teams or out of state that are drivable.
Those are too far.

Meanwhile my daughter has an amazing team great coaches, communication, good, loyal but competitive. I just want that for my son.

I would say every team in NJ is loyal except LE. LE is loyal if you are in their top16 players that grade. However, loyalty is not great if you want to move up. I am not sure That BBL will promote any of their shore players, helix or north players. Ask BBL if they promoted any 26s this tryout. BBL is almost too loyal so they loose their good non black players. NJ riot may be different with moving up. Blue Star, Payryand Syeps are other options.

Championship at World Series was express and tigers if you want to drive to long island or philly. sweetlax is in Rochester and express north is in CT. Towermen are in Jersey who went to quarterfinals in World Series.

Towermen have never put anyone in college, why would I intrust them to help my son?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any ‘26! NJ teams or out of state that are drivable.
Those are too far.

Meanwhile my daughter has an amazing team great coaches, communication, good, loyal but competitive. I just want that for my son.

I would say every team in NJ is loyal except LE. LE is loyal if you are in their top16 players that grade. However, loyalty is not great if you want to move up. I am not sure That BBL will promote any of their shore players, helix or north players. Ask BBL if they promoted any 26s this tryout. BBL is almost too loyal so they loose their good non black players. NJ riot may be different with moving up. Blue Star, Payryand Syeps are other options.

Championship at World Series was express and tigers if you want to drive to long island or philly. sweetlax is in Rochester and express north is in CT. Towermen are in Jersey who went to quarterfinals in World Series.

Towermen have never put anyone in college, why would I intrust them to help my son?

If they care a lot about there players and have good college connections probably the place to play. Focused on the kids development which is all that matters for next three years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, that would be good if a NJ club got 6-8 committed kids by November. The question is whether that will happen this year.

LE should have more in the next couple of weeks. Their top 2 poles are still out there.

Great for LE? but definitely not great for a NLF team. If LE is down in 2023 recruits the whole state of NJ is because that means 2023 was a class over the years they could not improve via their traditional come tryout or call us because we are LE in the NLF.

Maryland, Navy, Brown is not a normal LE year which means the other clubs are going to have tough year at 23 as well.

Look at Prime Time and Team 91 commits ...2023 is not bad years in NY.

I’m confused. Maryland , brown and navy are legitimate programs. I’m sure more will follow shortly .

Agreed, they are good commits. I think that LE does a good job getting those initial top recruits committed early so there is a lot of splash with the announcements, however, as another poster noted above, the real work is getting the other kids in the program committed, which will take some time, and the challenge faced by every club

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any ‘26! NJ teams or out of state that are drivable.
Those are too far.

Meanwhile my daughter has an amazing team great coaches, communication, good, loyal but competitive. I just want that for my son.

I would say every team in NJ is loyal except LE. LE is loyal if you are in their top16 players that grade. However, loyalty is not great if you want to move up. I am not sure That BBL will promote any of their shore players, helix or north players. Ask BBL if they promoted any 26s this tryout. BBL is almost too loyal so they loose their good non black players. NJ riot may be different with moving up. Blue Star, Payryand Syeps are other options.

Championship at World Series was express and tigers if you want to drive to long island or philly. sweetlax is in Rochester and express north is in CT. Towermen are in Jersey who went to quarterfinals in World Series.

Towermen have never put anyone in college, why would I intrust them to help my son?

If they care a lot about there players and have good college connections probably the place to play. Focused on the kids development which is all that matters for next three years.

TM will be fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any ‘26! NJ teams or out of state that are drivable.
Those are too far.

Meanwhile my daughter has an amazing team great coaches, communication, good, loyal but competitive. I just want that for my son.

I would say every team in NJ is loyal except LE. LE is loyal if you are in their top16 players that grade. However, loyalty is not great if you want to move up. I am not sure That BBL will promote any of their shore players, helix or north players. Ask BBL if they promoted any 26s this tryout. BBL is almost too loyal so they loose their good non black players. NJ riot may be different with moving up. Blue Star, Payryand Syeps are other options.

Championship at World Series was express and tigers if you want to drive to long island or philly. sweetlax is in Rochester and express north is in CT. Towermen are in Jersey who went to quarterfinals in World Series.

Towermen have never put anyone in college, why would I intrust them to help my son?

If they care a lot about there players and have good college connections probably the place to play. Focused on the kids development which is all that matters for next three years.

TM will be fine.

Are Towermen parents really answering these questions? They have 1 team and they are the answer to every question on here almost. Too funny if spoofing.. Has to be a non Towermen parent trying to make them look like bad because there is no world series quarterfinals.

However, I would reach out to teams and see if they need players this year. Otherwise, tryout for a few teams in the summer. Some teams have box teams which would give you an idea about a team and they would give you feedback on your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Any ‘26! NJ teams or out of state that are drivable.
Those are too far.

Meanwhile my daughter has an amazing team great coaches, communication, good, loyal but competitive. I just want that for my son.

I would say every team in NJ is loyal except LE. LE is loyal if you are in their top16 players that grade. However, loyalty is not great if you want to move up. I am not sure That BBL will promote any of their shore players, helix or north players. Ask BBL if they promoted any 26s this tryout. BBL is almost too loyal so they loose their good non black players. NJ riot may be different with moving up. Blue Star, Payryand Syeps are other options.

Championship at World Series was express and tigers if you want to drive to long island or philly. sweetlax is in Rochester and express north is in CT. Towermen are in Jersey who went to quarterfinals in World Series.

Towermen have never put anyone in college, why would I intrust them to help my son?[quote]

I doubt the Towermen want, let alone need, your son

Can someone tell the Club Directors to update their 2022 commits on their websites. It seems very light for all of NJ for them and the 2023’s are now going off the board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone tell the Club Directors to update their 2022 commits on their websites. It seems very light for all of NJ for them and the 2023’s are now going off the board.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recr...2&position=all&hometown_state=NJ

Two more NJ kids committed, NJ Riot & 2Kinghts. Has anyone committed from BBL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two more NJ kids committed, NJ Riot & 2Kinghts. Has anyone committed from BBL?

There was BBL pole who went Ivy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two more NJ kids committed, NJ Riot & 2Kinghts. Has anyone committed from BBL?

There was BBL pole who went Ivy.

LE kid just committed to ND.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two more NJ kids committed, NJ Riot & 2Kinghts. Has anyone committed from BBL?

There was BBL pole who went Ivy.

LE kid just committed to ND.

Top fogo in NJ from Riot who won TOC with Bosco going to Army. Kid is lights out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two more NJ kids committed, NJ Riot & 2Kinghts. Has anyone committed from BBL?

There was BBL pole who went Ivy.

LE kid just committed to ND.

Top fogo in NJ from Riot who won TOC with Bosco going to Army. Kid is lights out.

No doubt. A great kid too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two more NJ kids committed, NJ Riot & 2Kinghts. Has anyone committed from BBL?

There was BBL pole who went Ivy.

Prediction. BBL 24 and 25 class will have more D1 recruits than LE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two more NJ kids committed, NJ Riot & 2Kinghts. Has anyone committed from BBL?

There was BBL pole who went Ivy.

Prediction. BBL 24 and 25 class will have more D1 recruits than LE.

Prediction. you post the same thing next year about the 25 and 26 classes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two more NJ kids committed, NJ Riot & 2Kinghts. Has anyone committed from BBL?

There was BBL pole who went Ivy.

Prediction. BBL 24 and 25 class will have more D1 recruits than LE.

They should with all the free tuition they are giving to keep their top players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two more NJ kids committed, NJ Riot & 2Kinghts. Has anyone committed from BBL?

There was BBL pole who went Ivy.

Prediction. BBL 24 and 25 class will have more D1 recruits than LE.

Prediction. you post the same thing next year about the 25 and 26 classes.

Agreed on the 25&26 comment. Funny response.
24 LE might be weak as an overall team but has some pretty good individual talent. Coaching for freshman to sophomore summer hurt both the class of 23 & 24 the past two years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two more NJ kids committed, NJ Riot & 2Kinghts. Has anyone committed from BBL?

There was BBL pole who went Ivy.

Prediction. BBL 24 and 25 class will have more D1 recruits than LE.

Prediction. you post the same thing next year about the 25 and 26 classes.

Agreed on the 25&26 comment. Funny response.
24 LE might be weak as an overall team but has some pretty good individual talent. Coaching for freshman to sophomore summer hurt both the class of 23 & 24 the past two years.

The club you play for is far less important than people think. Everyone thinks LE and BBL have a magic wand they wave to get kids recruited. I know a bunch of 2022s who played for LE and never got recruited, when other kids were cut from that team and wound up going to mid-level D1 teams. Just find a decent club and let your kid play. They will wind up where they are supposed to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Two more NJ kids committed, NJ Riot & 2Kinghts. Has anyone committed from BBL?

There was BBL pole who went Ivy.

Prediction. BBL 24 and 25 class will have more D1 recruits than LE.

Prediction. you post the same thing next year about the 25 and 26 classes.

Agreed on the 25&26 comment. Funny response.
24 LE might be weak as an overall team but has some pretty good individual talent. Coaching for freshman to sophomore summer hurt both the class of 23 & 24 the past two years.

The club you play for is far less important than people think. Everyone thinks LE and BBL have a magic wand they wave to get kids recruited. I know a bunch of 2022s who played for LE and never got recruited, when other kids were cut from that team and wound up going to mid-level D1 teams. Just find a decent club and let your kid play. They will wind up where they are supposed to.[/quote

Great point. I think it is better to play 2 sports well than what club you are playing for in NJ. Most kids outside top 20 in NJ have to go to ID Days to get recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Two more NJ kids committed, NJ Riot & 2Kinghts. Has anyone committed from BBL?

There was BBL pole who went Ivy.

Prediction. BBL 24 and 25 class will have more D1 recruits than LE.

Prediction. you post the same thing next year about the 25 and 26 classes.

Agreed on the 25&26 comment. Funny response.
24 LE might be weak as an overall team but has some pretty good individual talent. Coaching for freshman to sophomore summer hurt both the class of 23 & 24 the past two years.

The club you play for is far less important than people think. Everyone thinks LE and BBL have a magic wand they wave to get kids recruited. I know a bunch of 2022s who played for LE and never got recruited, when other kids were cut from that team and wound up going to mid-level D1 teams. Just find a decent club and let your kid play. They will wind up where they are supposed to.[/quote

Great point. I think it is better to play 2 sports well than what club you are playing for in NJ. Most kids outside top 20 in NJ have to go to ID Days to get recruited.

Parents and players also find that they can get into much better schools than some of the mid-level D1 schools without lacrosse. The D1 or bust is crazy. Shore Conference player of the year is playing 2 sports at a great D3 school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Two more NJ kids committed, NJ Riot & 2Kinghts. Has anyone committed from BBL?

There was BBL pole who went Ivy.

Prediction. BBL 24 and 25 class will have more D1 recruits than LE.

Prediction. you post the same thing next year about the 25 and 26 classes.

Agreed on the 25&26 comment. Funny response.
24 LE might be weak as an overall team but has some pretty good individual talent. Coaching for freshman to sophomore summer hurt both the class of 23 & 24 the past two years.

The club you play for is far less important than people think. Everyone thinks LE and BBL have a magic wand they wave to get kids recruited. I know a bunch of 2022s who played for LE and never got recruited, when other kids were cut from that team and wound up going to mid-level D1 teams. Just find a decent club and let your kid play. They will wind up where they are supposed to.[/quote

Great point. I think it is better to play 2 sports well than what club you are playing for in NJ. Most kids outside top 20 in NJ have to go to ID Days to get recruited.

Good points. Two things to comment on here:

As stated many times in this forum, you no longer need to be on any specific club to go to the college you hope for. ANY club will get you to a good college (Ivy League is obviously a little different). The majority of the NJ kids are already very good students; with probably a high percentage over a 3.5 GPA and most closer to a 4.0. The club you have been with will get you into the same school as any other club. There are kids up and down NJ over the past 6 years basically going to every lax school in America.

ID or Prospect Days. These are a good way for the coaching staffs at potential colleges to get familiar with the player (and for them to make some money). One of the most important things that was taught to us was to reach out early in your sophomore year and before your summer tournaments to let your top 5-7 colleges know where you are going to be playing. Build that relationship earlier. Send them the first email. Then send them the highlight reel. Then send them your schedule. Then remind them the week of where your going to be. IDENTIFY these schools based on your talent. If your #18 on your team do not reach out to Penn State!!
Disclaimer: this does not apply for the elite kids, usually the top 7 on a team. They are basically going to go where ever they choose because they are that good. And I am not saying every club in NJ has an elite top 7, some might only have a few.

Showcases. Three years ago there was like 3. Now there are over 20 and the scouts are going to most of them (Showtime, 1%, Best in Class, Iron 44, Adrenaline, APEX, Beast thing, NXT, NLF thing, Main Stage, 5 Star, etc and tons more). Apply and get into them. Even if you only get into one it might help you get seen.

Go to a school where you think you will be able to get playing time by junior year. Don't pick a school you wont play at. Look at their previous 2 years commitments to help get an idea. That is why even the elite kids change schools their senior year in HS. Who wants to go to lets say Cuse if they signed 8 attacks the last two years and your an attackman.

And these clubs carrying 25 players is ridiculous. It also impacts the overall team performance when the lower level kids have to get playing time. With so many kids playing lax now, there are not many kids in that 20-25 player range going D-1.

5 attack
6 middies
2 d middies
1 faceoff
2 lsm
5 defenders
2 goalies

Total of 23, two of which are goalies.
I think most of the Showcases only have 22 but cant be sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone tell the Club Directors to update their 2022 commits on their websites. It seems very light for all of NJ for them and the 2023’s are now going off the board.

Looks like LE, BBL and Tri State are all updated....we done to the Directors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good points. Two things to comment on here:

As stated many times in this forum, you no longer need to be on any specific club to go to the college you hope for. ANY club will get you to a good college (Ivy League is obviously a little different). The majority of the NJ kids are already very good students; with probably a high percentage over a 3.5 GPA and most closer to a 4.0. The club you have been with will get you into the same school as any other club. There are kids up and down NJ over the past 6 years basically going to every lax school in America.

ID or Prospect Days. These are a good way for the coaching staffs at potential colleges to get familiar with the player (and for them to make some money). One of the most important things that was taught to us was to reach out early in your sophomore year and before your summer tournaments to let your top 5-7 colleges know where you are going to be playing. Build that relationship earlier. Send them the first email. Then send them the highlight reel. Then send them your schedule. Then remind them the week of where your going to be. IDENTIFY these schools based on your talent. If your #18 on your team do not reach out to Penn State!!
Disclaimer: this does not apply for the elite kids, usually the top 7 on a team. They are basically going to go where ever they choose because they are that good. And I am not saying every club in NJ has an elite top 7, some might only have a few.

Showcases. Three years ago there was like 3. Now there are over 20 and the scouts are going to most of them (Showtime, 1%, Best in Class, Iron 44, Adrenaline, APEX, Beast thing, NXT, NLF thing, Main Stage, 5 Star, etc and tons more). Apply and get into them. Even if you only get into one it might help you get seen.

Go to a school where you think you will be able to get playing time by junior year. Don't pick a school you wont play at. Look at their previous 2 years commitments to help get an idea. That is why even the elite kids change schools their senior year in HS. Who wants to go to lets say Cuse if they signed 8 attacks the last two years and your an attackman.

And these clubs carrying 25 players is ridiculous. It also impacts the overall team performance when the lower level kids have to get playing time. With so many kids playing lax now, there are not many kids in that 20-25 player range going D-1.

5 attack
6 middies
2 d middies
1 faceoff
2 lsm
5 defenders
2 goalies

Total of 23, two of which are goalies.
I think most of the Showcases only have 22 but cant be sure.

Good post. Enjoyed reading it. Thank you for this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two more NJ kids committed, NJ Riot & 2Kinghts. Has anyone committed from BBL?

There was BBL pole who went Ivy.

Prediction. BBL 24 and 25 class will have more D1 recruits than LE.

They should with all the free tuition they are giving to keep their top players.

This sounds like an NCAA violation, no?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good points. Two things to comment on here:

As stated many times in this forum, you no longer need to be on any specific club to go to the college you hope for. ANY club will get you to a good college (Ivy League is obviously a little different). The majority of the NJ kids are already very good students; with probably a high percentage over a 3.5 GPA and most closer to a 4.0. The club you have been with will get you into the same school as any other club. There are kids up and down NJ over the past 6 years basically going to every lax school in America.

ID or Prospect Days. These are a good way for the coaching staffs at potential colleges to get familiar with the player (and for them to make some money). One of the most important things that was taught to us was to reach out early in your sophomore year and before your summer tournaments to let your top 5-7 colleges know where you are going to be playing. Build that relationship earlier. Send them the first email. Then send them the highlight reel. Then send them your schedule. Then remind them the week of where your going to be. IDENTIFY these schools based on your talent. If your #18 on your team do not reach out to Penn State!!
Disclaimer: this does not apply for the elite kids, usually the top 7 on a team. They are basically going to go where ever they choose because they are that good. And I am not saying every club in NJ has an elite top 7, some might only have a few.

Showcases. Three years ago there was like 3. Now there are over 20 and the scouts are going to most of them (Showtime, 1%, Best in Class, Iron 44, Adrenaline, APEX, Beast thing, NXT, NLF thing, Main Stage, 5 Star, etc and tons more). Apply and get into them. Even if you only get into one it might help you get seen.

Go to a school where you think you will be able to get playing time by junior year. Don't pick a school you wont play at. Look at their previous 2 years commitments to help get an idea. That is why even the elite kids change schools their senior year in HS. Who wants to go to lets say Cuse if they signed 8 attacks the last two years and your an attackman.

And these clubs carrying 25 players is ridiculous. It also impacts the overall team performance when the lower level kids have to get playing time. With so many kids playing lax now, there are not many kids in that 20-25 player range going D-1.

5 attack
6 middies
2 d middies
1 faceoff
2 lsm
5 defenders
2 goalies

Total of 23, two of which are goalies.
I think most of the Showcases only have 22 but cant be sure.

Good post. Enjoyed reading it. Thank you for this.

Informative post with actual intelligent directions. I agree with you on the fact these clubs are carrying to many kids, especially at the high school level. They are just trying to grab extra money from the bottom 5 players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good points. Two things to comment on here:

As stated many times in this forum, you no longer need to be on any specific club to go to the college you hope for. ANY club will get you to a good college (Ivy League is obviously a little different). The majority of the NJ kids are already very good students; with probably a high percentage over a 3.5 GPA and most closer to a 4.0. The club you have been with will get you into the same school as any other club. There are kids up and down NJ over the past 6 years basically going to every lax school in America.

ID or Prospect Days. These are a good way for the coaching staffs at potential colleges to get familiar with the player (and for them to make some money). One of the most important things that was taught to us was to reach out early in your sophomore year and before your summer tournaments to let your top 5-7 colleges know where you are going to be playing. Build that relationship earlier. Send them the first email. Then send them the highlight reel. Then send them your schedule. Then remind them the week of where your going to be. IDENTIFY these schools based on your talent. If your #18 on your team do not reach out to Penn State!!
Disclaimer: this does not apply for the elite kids, usually the top 7 on a team. They are basically going to go where ever they choose because they are that good. And I am not saying every club in NJ has an elite top 7, some might only have a few.

Showcases. Three years ago there was like 3. Now there are over 20 and the scouts are going to most of them (Showtime, 1%, Best in Class, Iron 44, Adrenaline, APEX, Beast thing, NXT, NLF thing, Main Stage, 5 Star, etc and tons more). Apply and get into them. Even if you only get into one it might help you get seen.

Go to a school where you think you will be able to get playing time by junior year. Don't pick a school you wont play at. Look at their previous 2 years commitments to help get an idea. That is why even the elite kids change schools their senior year in HS. Who wants to go to lets say Cuse if they signed 8 attacks the last two years and your an attackman.

And these clubs carrying 25 players is ridiculous. It also impacts the overall team performance when the lower level kids have to get playing time. With so many kids playing lax now, there are not many kids in that 20-25 player range going D-1.

5 attack
6 middies
2 d middies
1 faceoff
2 lsm
5 defenders
2 goalies

Total of 23, two of which are goalies.
I think most of the Showcases only have 22 but cant be sure.

Good post. Enjoyed reading it. Thank you for this.

Informative post with actual intelligent directions. I agree with you on the fact these clubs are carrying to many kids, especially at the high school level. They are just trying to grab extra money from the bottom 5 players.

I’m not a fan of big rosters but sometimes it is necessary. Showcases might have 22 players, but they’re only worried about one day out of the year. Injuries, conflicts, etc. happen. I can’t justify a roster of 30+ but I’m not sure 25 is “ridiculous” considering how much lacrosse is being played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good points. Two things to comment on here:

As stated many times in this forum, you no longer need to be on any specific club to go to the college you hope for. ANY club will get you to a good college (Ivy League is obviously a little different). The majority of the NJ kids are already very good students; with probably a high percentage over a 3.5 GPA and most closer to a 4.0. The club you have been with will get you into the same school as any other club. There are kids up and down NJ over the past 6 years basically going to every lax school in America.

ID or Prospect Days. These are a good way for the coaching staffs at potential colleges to get familiar with the player (and for them to make some money). One of the most important things that was taught to us was to reach out early in your sophomore year and before your summer tournaments to let your top 5-7 colleges know where you are going to be playing. Build that relationship earlier. Send them the first email. Then send them the highlight reel. Then send them your schedule. Then remind them the week of where your going to be. IDENTIFY these schools based on your talent. If your #18 on your team do not reach out to Penn State!!
Disclaimer: this does not apply for the elite kids, usually the top 7 on a team. They are basically going to go where ever they choose because they are that good. And I am not saying every club in NJ has an elite top 7, some might only have a few.

Showcases. Three years ago there was like 3. Now there are over 20 and the scouts are going to most of them (Showtime, 1%, Best in Class, Iron 44, Adrenaline, APEX, Beast thing, NXT, NLF thing, Main Stage, 5 Star, etc and tons more). Apply and get into them. Even if you only get into one it might help you get seen.

Go to a school where you think you will be able to get playing time by junior year. Don't pick a school you wont play at. Look at their previous 2 years commitments to help get an idea. That is why even the elite kids change schools their senior year in HS. Who wants to go to lets say Cuse if they signed 8 attacks the last two years and your an attackman.

And these clubs carrying 25 players is ridiculous. It also impacts the overall team performance when the lower level kids have to get playing time. With so many kids playing lax now, there are not many kids in that 20-25 player range going D-1.

5 attack
6 middies
2 d middies
1 faceoff
2 lsm
5 defenders
2 goalies

Total of 23, two of which are goalies.
I think most of the Showcases only have 22 but cant be sure.

Good post. Enjoyed reading it. Thank you for this.

Informative post with actual intelligent directions. I agree with you on the fact these clubs are carrying to many kids, especially at the high school level. They are just trying to grab extra money from the bottom 5 players.

I’m not a fan of big rosters but sometimes it is necessary. Showcases might have 22 players, but they’re only worried about one day out of the year. Injuries, conflicts, etc. happen. I can’t justify a roster of 30+ but I’m not sure 25 is “ridiculous” considering how much lacrosse is being played.

Especially true in HS in the fall when half the roster is unavailable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good points. Two things to comment on here:

As stated many times in this forum, you no longer need to be on any specific club to go to the college you hope for. ANY club will get you to a good college (Ivy League is obviously a little different). The majority of the NJ kids are already very good students; with probably a high percentage over a 3.5 GPA and most closer to a 4.0. The club you have been with will get you into the same school as any other club. There are kids up and down NJ over the past 6 years basically going to every lax school in America.

ID or Prospect Days. These are a good way for the coaching staffs at potential colleges to get familiar with the player (and for them to make some money). One of the most important things that was taught to us was to reach out early in your sophomore year and before your summer tournaments to let your top 5-7 colleges know where you are going to be playing. Build that relationship earlier. Send them the first email. Then send them the highlight reel. Then send them your schedule. Then remind them the week of where your going to be. IDENTIFY these schools based on your talent. If your #18 on your team do not reach out to Penn State!!
Disclaimer: this does not apply for the elite kids, usually the top 7 on a team. They are basically going to go where ever they choose because they are that good. And I am not saying every club in NJ has an elite top 7, some might only have a few.

Showcases. Three years ago there was like 3. Now there are over 20 and the scouts are going to most of them (Showtime, 1%, Best in Class, Iron 44, Adrenaline, APEX, Beast thing, NXT, NLF thing, Main Stage, 5 Star, etc and tons more). Apply and get into them. Even if you only get into one it might help you get seen.

Go to a school where you think you will be able to get playing time by junior year. Don't pick a school you wont play at. Look at their previous 2 years commitments to help get an idea. That is why even the elite kids change schools their senior year in HS. Who wants to go to lets say Cuse if they signed 8 attacks the last two years and your an attackman.

And these clubs carrying 25 players is ridiculous. It also impacts the overall team performance when the lower level kids have to get playing time. With so many kids playing lax now, there are not many kids in that 20-25 player range going D-1.

5 attack
6 middies
2 d middies
1 faceoff
2 lsm
5 defenders
2 goalies

Total of 23, two of which are goalies.
I think most of the Showcases only have 22 but cant be sure.

Good post. Enjoyed reading it. Thank you for this.

Informative post with actual intelligent directions. I agree with you on the fact these clubs are carrying to many kids, especially at the high school level. They are just trying to grab extra money from the bottom 5 players.

I’m not a fan of big rosters but sometimes it is necessary. Showcases might have 22 players, but they’re only worried about one day out of the year. Injuries, conflicts, etc. happen. I can’t justify a roster of 30+ but I’m not sure 25 is “ridiculous” considering how much lacrosse is being played.

Especially true in HS in the fall when half the roster is unavailable.

While it can sometimes be a burden, bigger numbers make a difference in when it is 90 degrees, humid and you are playing 3 tournament games in a day for two days each weekend. But as we all know, if the game is on the line, that bench gets very short.

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What are the big fall tournaments this weekend?

NXT nightfall was this past weekend, I saw Blue Star's middle school AA teams were all there and got beat up pretty bad at every level. I guess their push to help middle school did not pan out this year. This up coming weekend there's a good NJ tournament in colts neck. High schoolers start in about 2-3 weeks when colleges can visit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NXT nightfall was this past weekend, I saw Blue Star's middle school AA teams were all there and got beat up pretty bad at every level. I guess their push to help middle school did not pan out this year. This up coming weekend there's a good NJ tournament in colts neck. High schoolers start in about 2-3 weeks when colleges can visit.

Glad you were trolling. No one cares about middle school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NXT nightfall was this past weekend, I saw Blue Star's middle school AA teams were all there and got beat up pretty bad at every level. I guess their push to help middle school did not pan out this year. This up coming weekend there's a good NJ tournament in colts neck. High schoolers start in about 2-3 weeks when colleges can visit.

Glad you were trolling. No one cares about middle school.

I don't think he was trolling. There is a fair amount of astroturfing going on in this thread and in others from Blue Star or Blue Star parents promoting their up & coming youth teams. When people are making posts about "pulling all the Westfield kids" (which they definitely are not, that would be 3d) or being "top 3 in NJ," I think it is only reasonable to comment on how they are actually developing and performing.

I hear you though, it's middle school fall ball. No reason to get bent out of shape about it one way or the other. Since we are all here reading about it, and others were asking, I think it fits the discussion.

LE with 7 commits already. Another one to Lehigh today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE with 7 commits already. Another one to Lehigh today.

TriState has 4 and Blue Star 2. Why does everyone keep talking about BBL being so great?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE with 7 commits already. Another one to Lehigh today.

TriState has 4 and Blue Star 2. Why does everyone keep talking about BBL being so great?

Blue Star has 3

NJ Riot has 6, BBL has 3, STEPS has 1, 2 Knights has 1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE with 7 commits already. Another one to Lehigh today.

I’ll give it to LE. They have gotten kids who are not really that good into D1 schools. It’s impressive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE with 7 commits already. Another one to Lehigh today.

Let’s be honest. That’s a bit of a shocker.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE with 7 commits already. Another one to Lehigh today.

TriState has 4 and Blue Star 2. Why does everyone keep talking about BBL being so great?

It’s a very good program for the B level player that needs constant programming and clinics and ultimately ends up playing decent D3 lax.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE with 7 commits already. Another one to Lehigh today.

I’ll give it to LE. They have gotten kids who are not really that good into D1 schools. It’s impressive.

First of all the majority of LE's early commits are very good so you don't know what your talking about, yes I am sticking up for LE on this part of the quote, however the statement "7 commits already" is overstated. I included below my educated guess based on their skill sets from 8/18/2021 where I stated LE early commits would be the their 3 poles, face off kid, their top attackman and maybe the goalies and that is how it has played out. With that being said, in regard to those top 5 field players, LE had minimal work to do to get them to the schools they chose. Those kids had numerous opportunities and a good amount of schools to pick from. They could have went to the same schools they chose even if they played for Joe Schmo as long as Joe Schmo got them to decent tournaments, which basically every club can do now with so many other options out there.

The Lehigh signing is good work, whether it was the kid doing his due diligence on his own or the director doing his job. Either way, well done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023 first kids to commit will be 3 of their poles, face off kid, and their only consistent scorer. That’s 5 early. Maybe the goalies?? Others will commit but those are the big ones that will be advertised.

afterwards, maybe the old crystal ball can give us some insight on the class of 2024

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]LE with 7 commits already. Another one to Lehigh today.

I’ll give it to LE. They have gotten kids who are not really that good into D1 schools. It’s impressive.

First of all the majority of LE's early commits are very good so you don't know what your talking about, yes I am sticking up for LE on this part of the quote, however the statement "7 commits already" is overstated. I included below my educated guess based on their skill sets from 8/18/2021 where I stated LE early commits would be the their 3 poles, face off kid, their top attackman and maybe the goalies and that is how it has played out. With that being said, in regard to those top 5 field players, LE had minimal work to do to get them to the schools they chose. Those kids had numerous opportunities and a good amount of schools to pick from. They could have went to the same schools they chose even if they played for Joe Schmo as long as Joe Schmo got them to decent tournaments, which basically every club can do now with so many other options out there.

The Lehigh signing is good work, whether it was the kid doing his due diligence on his own or the director doing his job. Either way, well done.

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I would agree with this. The only big surprise is the Lehigh commit (would not have expected that) but good for the kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE with 7 commits already. Another one to Lehigh today.

TriState has 4 and Blue Star 2. Why does everyone keep talking about BBL being so great?

It’s a very good program for the B level player that needs constant programming and clinics and ultimately ends up playing decent D3 lax.

There is nothing wrong with that.

It has been said multiple times on this forum....2023 BBL and LE were not that good of teams.....LE has the better talent pool and will end up with 12-15 D1 commits.

BBL 2024 is where they as a club start to significantly improve in talent....they will have about 15 D1 commits, LE 2024 should be right around the same number, as well as TRI State....2024's have a lot of talent spread out over the NJ teams, not sure why 2023 class as a whole does not seem to have the same numbers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]LE with 7 commits already. Another one to Lehigh today.

I’ll give it to LE. They have gotten kids who are not really that good into D1 schools. It’s impressive.

First of all the majority of LE's early commits are very good so you don't know what your talking about, yes I am sticking up for LE on this part of the quote, however the statement "7 commits already" is overstated. I included below my educated guess based on their skill sets from 8/18/2021 where I stated LE early commits would be the their 3 poles, face off kid, their top attackman and maybe the goalies and that is how it has played out. With that being said, in regard to those top 5 field players, LE had minimal work to do to get them to the schools they chose. Those kids had numerous opportunities and a good amount of schools to pick from. They could have went to the same schools they chose even if they played for Joe Schmo as long as Joe Schmo got them to decent tournaments, which basically every club can do now with so many other options out there.

The Lehigh signing is good work, whether it was the kid doing his due diligence on his own or the director doing his job. Either way, well done.

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I would agree with this. The only big surprise is the Lehigh commit (would not have expected that) but good for the kid.

Man, I don't want to discuss a specific player on this thing any further so please no one else comment on it. I do think the kid is legit. Watch his highlight reel. And remember he was playing next to an attackman who would shoot the ball from anywhere and everywhere (not saying this in a bad way about the Navy kid just pointing out the less touches) so he had to fight for his goals; and he was getting subbed out.

Hahaha, "B" level players.

BBL is the top youth program in the state and it's not close. Look at US Club Lacrosse rankings. Look at their performance at the World Series of Youth Lacrosse. Look at the tournaments they go to and how they perform against the top clubs in the country. No other NJ club is in the conversation for best program 8th grade and below.

If you're talking HS club lacrosse, well then LE has been the top dog for sure, but the gap between them, Tri-State, BBL, and the rest appears to be closing. If BBL successfully holds onto their youth talent, they will be on par or pass LE at the HS level before too long.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hahaha, "B" level players.

BBL is the top youth program in the state and it's not close. Look at US Club Lacrosse rankings. Look at their performance at the World Series of Youth Lacrosse. Look at the tournaments they go to and how they perform against the top clubs in the country. No other NJ club is in the conversation for best program 8th grade and below.

If you're talking HS club lacrosse, well then LE has been the top dog for sure, but the gap between them, Tri-State, BBL, and the rest appears to be closing. If BBL successfully holds onto their youth talent, they will be on par or pass LE at the HS level before too long.

Agreed with everything you say except the rankings. Rankings are all fluff and not perfect. Madlax and Mad Dog have like two teams in the top ten because they list national wheras both their regular team are essentially the national teams. US Club should probably take the National Teams out but True and Sweetlax would complain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hahaha, "B" level players.

BBL is the top youth program in the state and it's not close. Look at US Club Lacrosse rankings. Look at their performance at the World Series of Youth Lacrosse. Look at the tournaments they go to and how they perform against the top clubs in the country. No other NJ club is in the conversation for best program 8th grade and below.

If you're talking HS club lacrosse, well then LE has been the top dog for sure, but the gap between them, Tri-State, BBL, and the rest appears to be closing. If BBL successfully holds onto their youth talent, they will be on par or pass LE at the HS level before too long.

Agreed with everything you say except the rankings. Rankings are all fluff and not perfect. Madlax and Mad Dog have like two teams in the top ten because they list national wheras both their regular team are essentially the national teams. US Club should probably take the National Teams out but True and Sweetlax would complain.

The "B" level comment is obviously somebody trolling for a reaction....no skin in the game, but I have seen the BBL 2024 team play, they are certainly not a B team...As for LE, I do agree that the gap is closing, but it will take some time to see how things play out with the 2023 class. I think that the talent at 2023 was a bit more spread out, so you will see good commits from a lot of clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE with 7 commits already. Another one to Lehigh today.

Let’s be honest. That’s a bit of a shocker.

Maryland
Norte Dame
Navy
Brown
Fairfield
Lehigh

Isn’t that 6? What is the 7th?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hahaha, "B" level players.

BBL is the top youth program in the state and it's not close. Look at US Club Lacrosse rankings. Look at their performance at the World Series of Youth Lacrosse. Look at the tournaments they go to and how they perform against the top clubs in the country. No other NJ club is in the conversation for best program 8th grade and below.

If you're talking HS club lacrosse, well then LE has been the top dog for sure, but the gap between them, Tri-State, BBL, and the rest appears to be closing. If BBL successfully holds onto their youth talent, they will be on par or pass LE at the HS level before too long.

Agreed with everything you say except the rankings. Rankings are all fluff and not perfect. Madlax and Mad Dog have like two teams in the top ten because they list national wheras both their regular team are essentially the national teams. US Club should probably take the National Teams out but True and Sweetlax would complain.

Rankings are a joke. Dude in Point Pleasant trying to make a buck. He will never remove the National Team especially Mad Dog because he has ties to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE with 7 commits already. Another one to Lehigh today.

Let’s be honest. That’s a bit of a shocker.

Maryland
Norte Dame
Navy
Brown
Fairfield
Lehigh

Isn’t that 6? What is the 7th?

Villanova, LSM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE with 7 commits already. Another one to Lehigh today.

Let’s be honest. That’s a bit of a shocker.

Maryland
Norte Dame
Navy
Brown
Fairfield
Lehigh

Isn’t that 6? What is the 7th?

LSM to Villanova

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE with 7 commits already. Another one to Lehigh today.

Let’s be honest. That’s a bit of a shocker.

Not to stick up for LE but you have 4 or 5 very smart kids on that team. They are not going to commit to schools just to play lacrosse. I wouldn't be surprised if you don't see an MIT or some other very high-level academic commitment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE with 7 commits already. Another one to Lehigh today.

Let’s be honest. That’s a bit of a shocker.

Not to stick up for LE but you have 4 or 5 very smart kids on that team. They are not going to commit to schools just to play lacrosse. I wouldn't be surprised if you don't see an MIT or some other very high-level academic commitment.

I think that this is a good point, there are definitely kids out there, whether on LE or other NJ teams, that are holding out for the right academic fit. Also, the early commits are exciting, but as any college coach will tell you, this is a very long process. Top D3 commits won't even happen until the spring or summer. In general terms (and not talking about LE as their early commits are all good schools), I think that some kids start to feel the pressure and end up committing early to places that are not the best fit. I know that a lot of people do not believe in prospect days, but they are great for getting a feel for a school and the team, especially if they have a few players helping out.

No more WSYL, as predicted.

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

I appreciate the humor! Much needed around here. Congrats to tri state 23s on big wins over jersey thunder and team lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

winning games is overrated. just show up to the tournament and you should be guaranteed D1. am I right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

Not an LE parent, but calm down. It’s the fall. Consider every game a scrimmage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

I appreciate the humor! Much needed around here. Congrats to tri state 23s on big wins over jersey thunder and team lacrosse

No on cares about the 2023's anymore....and its fall ball...LE 2024's played all good teams...wins and losses do not matter right now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

2023 played number 2,3 and 10 ranked teams. That said, the team has gone downhill over the past 11 months. Not sure if it's the addition of new players or losing players but they aren't even close to the same team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

I appreciate the humor! Much needed around here. Congrats to tri state 23s on big wins over jersey thunder and team lacrosse

No on cares about the 2023's anymore....and its fall ball...LE 2024's played all good teams...wins and losses do not matter right now.

All good teams? that's a stretch. I detest to break it to you but wait until you play legit top teams from LI, NE, MD and DC (91,Express,Eclipse,Madlax). I suggest you tell your director to put them in the B bracket. Oops.. never mind, they're already there. More humor for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

I appreciate the humor! Much needed around here. Congrats to tri state 23s on big wins over jersey thunder and team lacrosse

No on cares about the 2023's anymore....and its fall ball...LE 2024's played all good teams...wins and losses do not matter right now.

All good teams? that's a stretch. I detest to break it to you but wait until you play legit top teams from LI, NE, MD and DC (91,Express,Eclipse,Madlax). I suggest you tell your director to put them in the B bracket. Oops.. never mind, they're already there. More humor for you.

Whoever you are, you do not do not know much of what your talking about. Just like the dude said about the 23's they played 3 top 10 "ranked" teams. They were all well known teams. The 2023's are a mess but once they pull their 2022's studs down to start playing with them they will significantly improve, which by the way is some BS to the existing 2023's. The 2024's played the Crabs, West Coast Stars and Acension. Crabs and WCS are both top 20 and Acension is a fall all star team of Freedom, Brotherly Love, MESA and whoever else they can grab. Stop playing up how good LI and MD teams are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

I appreciate the humor! Much needed around here. Congrats to tri state 23s on big wins over jersey thunder and team lacrosse

No on cares about the 2023's anymore....and its fall ball...LE 2024's played all good teams...wins and losses do not matter right now.

All good teams? that's a stretch. I detest to break it to you but wait until you play legit top teams from LI, NE, MD and DC (91,Express,Eclipse,Madlax). I suggest you tell your director to put them in the B bracket. Oops.. never mind, they're already there. More humor for you.

Whoever you are, you do not do not know much of what your talking about. Just like the dude said about the 23's they played 3 top 10 "ranked" teams. They were all well known teams. The 2023's are a mess but once they pull their 2022's studs down to start playing with them they will significantly improve, which by the way is some BS to the existing 2023's. The 2024's played the Crabs, West Coast Stars and Acension. Crabs and WCS are both top 20 and Acension is a fall all star team of Freedom, Brotherly Love, MESA and whoever else they can grab. Stop playing up how good LI and MD teams are.

Stud??? Can't wait for the spring chants from the student sections.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

2023 played number 2,3 and 10 ranked teams. That said, the team has gone downhill over the past 11 months. Not sure if it's the addition of new players or losing players but they aren't even close to the same team.

This couldn't be further from the truth. I just checked the scores. Lost 1 goal games in the fall to good teams. If they played those teams last year, those scores would be much different. That team has gotten much better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

Tri-state lost to the same team that the 2024 LE team beat. Im no mathematician but I would probably do my homework before I made comments to compare teams. (I also understand it is not always a direct correlation. I just would not try to compare teams if they had a similar opponent and lost...)

2023 Tristate played Jersey Thunder, an unnamed "Lacrosse" Team, and Lost to VLC.

2025 Tristate team didn't play. BBL 2025 and LE 2025 are far superior.

Why are the Tri-State 2025s not attending any of these Tournaments? Do they have a team?

Word on the street is that their Director is DMing kids on instagram to see if they would want to leave their programs to go play for that team. Is that weird or is that a normal "business" practice?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Tri-State 2025s not attending any of these Tournaments? Do they have a team?

Word on the street is that their Director is DMing kids on instagram to see if they would want to leave their programs to go play for that team. Is that weird or is that a normal "business" practice?

That's the LE model. Copycat league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Tri-State 2025s not attending any of these Tournaments? Do they have a team?

Word on the street is that their Director is DMing kids on instagram to see if they would want to leave their programs to go play for that team. Is that weird or is that a normal "business" practice?

That's the LE model. Copycat league.

Kids approach LE and actually jump ship. That’s the difference I guess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Tri-State 2025s not attending any of these Tournaments? Do they have a team?

Word on the street is that their Director is DMing kids on instagram to see if they would want to leave their programs to go play for that team. Is that weird or is that a normal "business" practice?

That's the LE model. Copycat league.

Tri-state plays fewer of the “top tier” tournaments. They still go to some and do well, but they aren’t there all the time. Could be why their commits aren’t rolling in like BBls 2023… Other than the NLF super conference, BBL hits the same top tournaments as LE

Tri state had a good amount of very good 25s. They all have since left and ended up with LE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

2023 played number 2,3 and 10 ranked teams. That said, the team has gone downhill over the past 11 months. Not sure if it's the addition of new players or losing players but they aren't even close to the same team.

LE 2023 is simply overrated and new players are there to fill the directors pockets with $$$. Buyer beware.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Tri-State 2025s not attending any of these Tournaments? Do they have a team?

Word on the street is that their Director is DMing kids on instagram to see if they would want to leave their programs to go play for that team. Is that weird or is that a normal "business" practice?

That's the LE model. Copycat league.

Tri-state plays fewer of the “top tier” tournaments. They still go to some and do well, but they aren’t there all the time. Could be why their commits aren’t rolling in like BBls 2023… Other than the NLF super conference, BBL hits the same top tournaments as LE

Simply wrong, outside of the NLF tournaments....what is Tri State missing, they play Naptown and Crabfeast every year...that is "top tier"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Tri-State 2025s not attending any of these Tournaments? Do they have a team?

Word on the street is that their Director is DMing kids on instagram to see if they would want to leave their programs to go play for that team. Is that weird or is that a normal "business" practice?

That's the LE model. Copycat league.

Kids approach LE and actually jump ship. That’s the difference I guess.

Then they realize the mistake they made and quit their junior year…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Tri-State 2025s not attending any of these Tournaments? Do they have a team?

Word on the street is that their Director is DMing kids on instagram to see if they would want to leave their programs to go play for that team. Is that weird or is that a normal "business" practice?

That's the LE model. Copycat league.

Tri-state plays fewer of the “top tier” tournaments. They still go to some and do well, but they aren’t there all the time. Could be why their commits aren’t rolling in like BBls 2023… Other than the NLF super conference, BBL hits the same top tournaments as LE

I am sure parents and players are not happy with the BBL 23 rolling pace but they got on the board finally with a top 20 college. Is the 23 class just weaker in NJ or transfer situation messing it up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hahaha, "B" level players.

BBL is the top youth program in the state and it's not close. Look at US Club Lacrosse rankings. Look at their performance at the World Series of Youth Lacrosse. Look at the tournaments they go to and how they perform against the top clubs in the country. No other NJ club is in the conversation for best program 8th grade and below.

If you're talking HS club lacrosse, well then LE has been the top dog for sure, but the gap between them, Tri-State, BBL, and the rest appears to be closing. If BBL successfully holds onto their youth talent, they will be on par or pass LE at the HS level before too long.

Agreed with everything you say except the rankings. Rankings are all fluff and not perfect. Madlax and Mad Dog have like two teams in the top ten because they list national wheras both their regular team are essentially the national teams. US Club should probably take the National Teams out but True and Sweetlax would complain.

The "B" level comment is obviously somebody trolling for a reaction....no skin in the game, but I have seen the BBL 2024 team play, they are certainly not a B team...As for LE, I do agree that the gap is closing, but it will take some time to see how things play out with the 2023 class. I think that the talent at 2023 was a bit more spread out, so you will see good commits from a lot of clubs.

BBL is a mess. They are biting off more they can chew. Adding all these teams and not adding staff. They really don’t have their eye near the ball.

It comes down to is the team’s coach good no matter where you are with travel.

Problem is too many lacrosse programs and not enough decent coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hahaha, "B" level players.

BBL is the top youth program in the state and it's not close. Look at US Club Lacrosse rankings. Look at their performance at the World Series of Youth Lacrosse. Look at the tournaments they go to and how they perform against the top clubs in the country. No other NJ club is in the conversation for best program 8th grade and below.

If you're talking HS club lacrosse, well then LE has been the top dog for sure, but the gap between them, Tri-State, BBL, and the rest appears to be closing. If BBL successfully holds onto their youth talent, they will be on par or pass LE at the HS level before too long.

Agreed with everything you say except the rankings. Rankings are all fluff and not perfect. Madlax and Mad Dog have like two teams in the top ten because they list national wheras both their regular team are essentially the national teams. US Club should probably take the National Teams out but True and Sweetlax would complain.

The "B" level comment is obviously somebody trolling for a reaction....no skin in the game, but I have seen the BBL 2024 team play, they are certainly not a B team...As for LE, I do agree that the gap is closing, but it will take some time to see how things play out with the 2023 class. I think that the talent at 2023 was a bit more spread out, so you will see good commits from a lot of clubs.

BBL is a mess. They are biting off more they can chew. Adding all these teams and not adding staff. They really don’t have their eye near the ball.

It comes down to is the team’s coach good no matter where you are with travel.

Problem is too many lacrosse programs and not enough decent coaches.

I think your right on the fact that there are just way to many programs in NJ now and its diluting the long standing clubs. I also agree with you on the coaching thing. Each team should have a head coach who is the offensive coach and a full time defensive coach. Most clubs are skimping on the two coach thing. Likewise, the offensive coach has to know his players and how to get a good sub pattern going.

To the other point made in one of the threads, I believe as do a few of the people I speak with, that the 2023's as a whole just are not as deep as previous years. Although NJ as a whole will probably put 35-40 D1 between all the clubs when its all said and done. 2024 and 2025 is kind of where NJ takes a big leap forward with talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Tri-State 2025s not attending any of these Tournaments? Do they have a team?

Word on the street is that their Director is DMing kids on instagram to see if they would want to leave their programs to go play for that team. Is that weird or is that a normal "business" practice?

That's the LE model. Copycat league.

Tri-state plays fewer of the “top tier” tournaments. They still go to some and do well, but they aren’t there all the time. Could be why their commits aren’t rolling in like BBls 2023… Other than the NLF super conference, BBL hits the same top tournaments as LE

I am sure parents and players are not happy with the BBL 23 rolling pace but they got on the board finally with a top 20 college. Is the 23 class just weaker in NJ or transfer situation messing it up.[/quote]
little bit of both

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Tri-State 2025s not attending any of these Tournaments? Do they have a team?

Word on the street is that their Director is DMing kids on instagram to see if they would want to leave their programs to go play for that team. Is that weird or is that a normal "business" practice?

That's the LE model. Copycat league.

Kids approach LE and actually jump ship. That’s the difference I guess.

Then they realize the mistake they made and quit their junior year…

You have to understand when you go to LE that LE cares about their sophomore year class the Most each year. That season is so important to their marketing model.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Tri-State 2025s not attending any of these Tournaments? Do they have a team?

Word on the street is that their Director is DMing kids on instagram to see if they would want to leave their programs to go play for that team. Is that weird or is that a normal "business" practice?

That's the LE model. Copycat league.

Tri-state plays fewer of the “top tier” tournaments. They still go to some and do well, but they aren’t there all the time. Could be why their commits aren’t rolling in like BBls 2023… Other than the NLF super conference, BBL hits the same top tournaments as LE

I am sure parents and players are not happy with the BBL 23 rolling pace but they got on the board finally with a top 20 college. Is the 23 class just weaker in NJ or transfer situation messing it up.

little bit of both[/quote]

I mean.. BBL is rolling in commits as fast as Tri-State who was the “Top Dog” this summer… Their parents cant be happy about that.

Btw, I know it was discussed a while ago, but BBLs youth director did leave. I guess he still holds his title as “national” director but he moved from NJ. Plus WSYL is done so there goes BBLs youth push.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Tri-State 2025s not attending any of these Tournaments? Do they have a team?

Word on the street is that their Director is DMing kids on instagram to see if they would want to leave their programs to go play for that team. Is that weird or is that a normal "business" practice?

That's the LE model. Copycat league.

Tri-state plays fewer of the “top tier” tournaments. They still go to some and do well, but they aren’t there all the time. Could be why their commits aren’t rolling in like BBls 2023… Other than the NLF super conference, BBL hits the same top tournaments as LE

I am sure parents and players are not happy with the BBL 23 rolling pace but they got on the board finally with a top 20 college. Is the 23 class just weaker in NJ or transfer situation messing it up.

little bit of both

I mean.. BBL is rolling in commits as fast as Tri-State who was the “Top Dog” this summer… Their parents cant be happy about that.

Btw, I know it was discussed a while ago, but BBLs youth director did leave. I guess he still holds his title as “national” director but he moved from NJ. Plus WSYL is done so there goes BBLs youth push.[/quote]

Yes, youth director started a leather goods company and moved to Denver and still trying to help out BBL on the side. BBL is a total mess in the midst of their growth goals. If your coach is good on BBL that is the most important thing but they need to hire like 3 people yesterday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Tri-State 2025s not attending any of these Tournaments? Do they have a team?

Word on the street is that their Director is DMing kids on instagram to see if they would want to leave their programs to go play for that team. Is that weird or is that a normal "business" practice?

That's the LE model. Copycat league.

Kids approach LE and actually jump ship. That’s the difference I guess.

Then they realize the mistake they made and quit their junior year…

Truth. Club is massively overrated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Tri-State 2025s not attending any of these Tournaments? Do they have a team?

Word on the street is that their Director is DMing kids on instagram to see if they would want to leave their programs to go play for that team. Is that weird or is that a normal "business" practice?

That's the LE model. Copycat league.

Kids approach LE and actually jump ship. That’s the difference I guess.

Then they realize the mistake they made and quit their junior year…

Truth. Club is massively overrated.

If you cant make it in club lax you won’t make it in college. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Tri-State 2025s not attending any of these Tournaments? Do they have a team?

Word on the street is that their Director is DMing kids on instagram to see if they would want to leave their programs to go play for that team. Is that weird or is that a normal "business" practice?

That's the LE model. Copycat league.

Kids approach LE and actually jump ship. That’s the difference I guess.

Then they realize the mistake they made and quit their junior year…

Truth. Club is massively overrated.

If you cant make it in club lax you won’t make it in college. Good luck.

Unless you play for a top tier nationally recognized high school program, club is pretty important. While I would imagine that there are exceptions, you would be hard pressed to find a non-club player being recruited from a high school that is not know to have a strong lacrosse program. I agree that in some respects the ability of a club to get a kid recruited can be somewhat over-hyped, no matter what club it is, your kid still has to stand out on their own. Once September 1 of junior year comes around, you have a much better perspective on how the process works, and how hard it is to get recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

2023 played number 2,3 and 10 ranked teams. That said, the team has gone downhill over the past 11 months. Not sure if it's the addition of new players or losing players but they aren't even close to the same team.

LE 2023 is simply overrated and new players are there to fill the directors pockets with $$$. Buyer beware.

You may be confusing programs.

BBL needs those extra players to pay all the full time B level coaches that they have and that bubble rent. It’s why they are loaded with B level talent with the exception of each teams top 3 kids that they market all over the place and pump up as the poster boys.

Recruiting is an absolute disaster there too. We left last year. If you are not a top 3 player and want to get recruited, have your son play Tri-State, LE, or Riot. BBL high-school doesn’t hold a candle to those programs.

If you are going to try to make the point of a club program doing things for money, the only club in NJ that does such a thing would be BBL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

2023 played number 2,3 and 10 ranked teams. That said, the team has gone downhill over the past 11 months. Not sure if it's the addition of new players or losing players but they aren't even close to the same team.

LE 2023 is simply overrated and new players are there to fill the directors pockets with $$$. Buyer beware.

You may be confusing programs.

BBL needs those extra players to pay all the full time B level coaches that they have and that bubble rent. It’s why they are loaded with B level talent with the exception of each teams top 3 kids that they market all over the place and pump up as the poster boys.

Recruiting is an absolute disaster there too. We left last year. If you are not a top 3 player and want to get recruited, have your son play Tri-State, LE, or Riot. BBL high-school doesn’t hold a candle to those programs.

If you are going to try to make the point of a club program doing things for money, the only club in NJ that does such a thing would be BBL.

My son is on Bbl and we stay because the offense coach is a great coach. That is the key on any team and any club. K to 8th to get 40 practices a year with bbl plus 8 to 10 tournaments a year keeps the stick in your son’s hands. We are not thinking recruiting at this time but that day will come and we may have to leave BBL if son’s goal is college lacrosse. D3 is fine fire me because of education those schools provide but my son has D1 dreams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

2023 played number 2,3 and 10 ranked teams. That said, the team has gone downhill over the past 11 months. Not sure if it's the addition of new players or losing players but they aren't even close to the same team.

LE 2023 is simply overrated and new players are there to fill the directors pockets with $$$. Buyer beware.

You may be confusing programs.

BBL needs those extra players to pay all the full time B level coaches that they have and that bubble rent. It’s why they are loaded with B level talent with the exception of each teams top 3 kids that they market all over the place and pump up as the poster boys.

Recruiting is an absolute disaster there too. We left last year. If you are not a top 3 player and want to get recruited, have your son play Tri-State, LE, or Riot. BBL high-school doesn’t hold a candle to those programs.

If you are going to try to make the point of a club program doing things for money, the only club in NJ that does such a thing would be BBL.

My son is on Bbl and we stay because the offense coach is a great coach. That is the key on any team and any club. K to 8th to get 40 practices a year with bbl plus 8 to 10 tournaments a year keeps the stick in your son’s hands. We are not thinking recruiting at this time but that day will come and we may have to leave BBL if son’s goal is college lacrosse. D3 is fine fire me because of education those schools provide but my son has D1 dreams.

Its been stated here many times, BBL's talent level begins at the 2024's and 2025's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

2023 played number 2,3 and 10 ranked teams. That said, the team has gone downhill over the past 11 months. Not sure if it's the addition of new players or losing players but they aren't even close to the same team.

LE 2023 is simply overrated and new players are there to fill the directors pockets with $$$. Buyer beware.

You may be confusing programs.

BBL needs those extra players to pay all the full time B level coaches that they have and that bubble rent. It’s why they are loaded with B level talent with the exception of each teams top 3 kids that they market all over the place and pump up as the poster boys.

Recruiting is an absolute disaster there too. We left last year. If you are not a top 3 player and want to get recruited, have your son play Tri-State, LE, or Riot. BBL high-school doesn’t hold a candle to those programs.

If you are going to try to make the point of a club program doing things for money, the only club in NJ that does such a thing would be BBL.

No I’m talking about Leading Edge who tells everyone that if you play there then you will get D1 offers. It’s simply BS. Maybe they used to but now it’s only about 30% who are top D1 level.

You people are all crazy, it has nothing to do with the club and everything to do with the kid. Keep telling yourself that a club is going to get your son to a top D1 school. You might be lucky if he has good grades and is a great lacrosse player, if not make sure you know who the top D3 schools are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore Fall Classic today, LE 2023 winless. 2024's went 1-3 in last place. Just reporting facts. Don't kill the messenger. Oh and Tristate did much better. No surprise here.

2023 played number 2,3 and 10 ranked teams. That said, the team has gone downhill over the past 11 months. Not sure if it's the addition of new players or losing players but they aren't even close to the same team.

LE 2023 is simply overrated and new players are there to fill the directors pockets with $$$. Buyer beware.

You may be confusing programs.

BBL needs those extra players to pay all the full time B level coaches that they have and that bubble rent. It’s why they are loaded with B level talent with the exception of each teams top 3 kids that they market all over the place and pump up as the poster boys.

Recruiting is an absolute disaster there too. We left last year. If you are not a top 3 player and want to get recruited, have your son play Tri-State, LE, or Riot. BBL high-school doesn’t hold a candle to those programs.

If you are going to try to make the point of a club program doing things for money, the only club in NJ that does such a thing would be BBL.

No I’m talking about Leading Edge who tells everyone that if you play there then you will get D1 offers. It’s simply BS. Maybe they used to but now it’s only about 30% who are top D1 level.

100% not true and actually the opposite. They are quick to tell you that you have a smart kid and he should look at D3.

Unless you play for a top tier nationally recognized high school program, club is pretty important. While I would imagine that there are exceptions, you would be hard pressed to find a non-club player being recruited from a high school that is not know to have a strong lacrosse program. I agree that in some respects the ability of a club to get a kid recruited can be somewhat over-hyped, no matter what club it is, your kid still has to stand out on their own. Once September 1 of junior year comes around, you have a much better perspective on how the process works, and how hard it is to get recruited.[/quote]

Totally on point.....everyone should try to grasp this....the recruiting process stinks....the top 5 kids on every team goes off the board fast to the "bigger named schools." The directors help a little bit for the first 5 big names but its minimal because those are the kids the college coaches were asking the directors about in July when they couldn't talk to your kid...these are the big splash kids who your club will promote right away and throw on their websites about the signings.....then you start to realize that even though your a really good player you didn't make the big splash and your in the second and third tiers and not getting even a quarter of a scholarship...then you start looking at the lesser named schools and hopefully you were seen in the summer by them.....do your homework people....identify a few schools you think you can play at (not freshman or even sophomore year) and reach out to the coaches in May and June and tell them where your going to be this summer so they can watch you....just about every club in NJ does two of the big recruiting tourneys whether its the NAL, NLF, Naptown, Crabfeast or whatever else.

The NJ 2023's are in the second and third tier now and its difficult....as the dude said in the posts before 2023 NJ is a little lacking in overall depth....2024's have a pretty large group of D1 prospects and the 2025's look to be even bigger as they are developing into a sizeable class as well....enjoy the ride because it stinks in your recruiting year!!!!!!!! Only a handful of kids on your team will be committed early...look at the non big named colleges....they are all comparable now with parity at the college level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unless you play for a top tier nationally recognized high school program, club is pretty important. While I would imagine that there are exceptions, you would be hard pressed to find a non-club player being recruited from a high school that is not know to have a strong lacrosse program. I agree that in some respects the ability of a club to get a kid recruited can be somewhat over-hyped, no matter what club it is, your kid still has to stand out on their own. Once September 1 of junior year comes around, you have a much better perspective on how the process works, and how hard it is to get recruited.

Totally on point.....everyone should try to grasp this....the recruiting process stinks....the top 5 kids on every team goes off the board fast to the "bigger named schools." The directors help a little bit for the first 5 big names but its minimal because those are the kids the college coaches were asking the directors about in July when they couldn't talk to your kid...these are the big splash kids who your club will promote right away and throw on their websites about the signings.....then you start to realize that even though your a really good player you didn't make the big splash and your in the second and third tiers and not getting even a quarter of a scholarship...then you start looking at the lesser named schools and hopefully you were seen in the summer by them.....do your homework people....identify a few schools you think you can play at (not freshman or even sophomore year) and reach out to the coaches in May and June and tell them where your going to be this summer so they can watch you....just about every club in NJ does two of the big recruiting tourneys whether its the NAL, NLF, Naptown, Crabfeast or whatever else.

The NJ 2023's are in the second and third tier now and its difficult....as the dude said in the posts before 2023 NJ is a little lacking in overall depth....2024's have a pretty large group of D1 prospects and the 2025's look to be even bigger as they are developing into a sizeable class as well....enjoy the ride because it stinks in your recruiting year!!!!!!!! Only a handful of kids on your team will be committed early...look at the non big named colleges....they are all comparable now with parity at the college level.[/quote]

Well said. I hope you feel better now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unless you play for a top tier nationally recognized high school program, club is pretty important. While I would imagine that there are exceptions, you would be hard pressed to find a non-club player being recruited from a high school that is not know to have a strong lacrosse program. I agree that in some respects the ability of a club to get a kid recruited can be somewhat over-hyped, no matter what club it is, your kid still has to stand out on their own. Once September 1 of junior year comes around, you have a much better perspective on how the process works, and how hard it is to get recruited.

Totally on point.....everyone should try to grasp this....the recruiting process stinks....the top 5 kids on every team goes off the board fast to the "bigger named schools." The directors help a little bit for the first 5 big names but its minimal because those are the kids the college coaches were asking the directors about in July when they couldn't talk to your kid...these are the big splash kids who your club will promote right away and throw on their websites about the signings.....then you start to realize that even though your a really good player you didn't make the big splash and your in the second and third tiers and not getting even a quarter of a scholarship...then you start looking at the lesser named schools and hopefully you were seen in the summer by them.....do your homework people....identify a few schools you think you can play at (not freshman or even sophomore year) and reach out to the coaches in May and June and tell them where your going to be this summer so they can watch you....just about every club in NJ does two of the big recruiting tourneys whether its the NAL, NLF, Naptown, Crabfeast or whatever else.

The NJ 2023's are in the second and third tier now and its difficult....as the dude said in the posts before 2023 NJ is a little lacking in overall depth....2024's have a pretty large group of D1 prospects and the 2025's look to be even bigger as they are developing into a sizeable class as well....enjoy the ride because it stinks in your recruiting year!!!!!!!! Only a handful of kids on your team will be committed early...look at the non big named colleges....they are all comparable now with parity at the college level.

Well said. I hope you feel better now.[/quote]

what terrible advise. sell your kid's future short so he can say he played lax in college? How bout, focus on academics and go to a school that is a good fit for you kid's future...not just his next 4 years of extended high school lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unless you play for a top tier nationally recognized high school program, club is pretty important. While I would imagine that there are exceptions, you would be hard pressed to find a non-club player being recruited from a high school that is not know to have a strong lacrosse program. I agree that in some respects the ability of a club to get a kid recruited can be somewhat over-hyped, no matter what club it is, your kid still has to stand out on their own. Once September 1 of junior year comes around, you have a much better perspective on how the process works, and how hard it is to get recruited.

Totally on point.....everyone should try to grasp this....the recruiting process stinks....the top 5 kids on every team goes off the board fast to the "bigger named schools." The directors help a little bit for the first 5 big names but its minimal because those are the kids the college coaches were asking the directors about in July when they couldn't talk to your kid...these are the big splash kids who your club will promote right away and throw on their websites about the signings.....then you start to realize that even though your a really good player you didn't make the big splash and your in the second and third tiers and not getting even a quarter of a scholarship...then you start looking at the lesser named schools and hopefully you were seen in the summer by them.....do your homework people....identify a few schools you think you can play at (not freshman or even sophomore year) and reach out to the coaches in May and June and tell them where your going to be this summer so they can watch you....just about every club in NJ does two of the big recruiting tourneys whether its the NAL, NLF, Naptown, Crabfeast or whatever else.

The NJ 2023's are in the second and third tier now and its difficult....as the dude said in the posts before 2023 NJ is a little lacking in overall depth....2024's have a pretty large group of D1 prospects and the 2025's look to be even bigger as they are developing into a sizeable class as well....enjoy the ride because it stinks in your recruiting year!!!!!!!! Only a handful of kids on your team will be committed early...look at the non big named colleges....they are all comparable now with parity at the college level.

Well said. I hope you feel better now.

what terrible advise. sell your kid's future short so he can say he played lax in college? How bout, focus on academics and go to a school that is a good fit for you kid's future...not just his next 4 years of extended high school lacrosse[/quote]

Not the original poster but if you don't care about lacrosse why are you commenting on this forum. Don't even read it. Leave. Go to some forum about insects. This is about lacrosse and going to college and playing lacrosse in college. Look into the sport of Curling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unless you play for a top tier nationally recognized high school program, club is pretty important. While I would imagine that there are exceptions, you would be hard pressed to find a non-club player being recruited from a high school that is not know to have a strong lacrosse program. I agree that in some respects the ability of a club to get a kid recruited can be somewhat over-hyped, no matter what club it is, your kid still has to stand out on their own. Once September 1 of junior year comes around, you have a much better perspective on how the process works, and how hard it is to get recruited.

Totally on point.....everyone should try to grasp this....the recruiting process stinks....the top 5 kids on every team goes off the board fast to the "bigger named schools." The directors help a little bit for the first 5 big names but its minimal because those are the kids the college coaches were asking the directors about in July when they couldn't talk to your kid...these are the big splash kids who your club will promote right away and throw on their websites about the signings.....then you start to realize that even though your a really good player you didn't make the big splash and your in the second and third tiers and not getting even a quarter of a scholarship...then you start looking at the lesser named schools and hopefully you were seen in the summer by them.....do your homework people....identify a few schools you think you can play at (not freshman or even sophomore year) and reach out to the coaches in May and June and tell them where your going to be this summer so they can watch you....just about every club in NJ does two of the big recruiting tourneys whether its the NAL, NLF, Naptown, Crabfeast or whatever else.

The NJ 2023's are in the second and third tier now and its difficult....as the dude said in the posts before 2023 NJ is a little lacking in overall depth....2024's have a pretty large group of D1 prospects and the 2025's look to be even bigger as they are developing into a sizeable class as well....enjoy the ride because it stinks in your recruiting year!!!!!!!! Only a handful of kids on your team will be committed early...look at the non big named colleges....they are all comparable now with parity at the college level.

Well said. I hope you feel better now.

what terrible advise. sell your kid's future short so he can say he played lax in college? How bout, focus on academics and go to a school that is a good fit for you kid's future...not just his next 4 years of extended high school lacrosse

Not the original poster but if you don't care about lacrosse why are you commenting on this forum. Don't even read it. Leave. Go to some forum about insects. This is about lacrosse and going to college and playing lacrosse in college. Look into the sport of Curling.[/quote]

lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unless you play for a top tier nationally recognized high school program, club is pretty important. While I would imagine that there are exceptions, you would be hard pressed to find a non-club player being recruited from a high school that is not know to have a strong lacrosse program. I agree that in some respects the ability of a club to get a kid recruited can be somewhat over-hyped, no matter what club it is, your kid still has to stand out on their own. Once September 1 of junior year comes around, you have a much better perspective on how the process works, and how hard it is to get recruited.

Totally on point.....everyone should try to grasp this....the recruiting process stinks....the top 5 kids on every team goes off the board fast to the "bigger named schools." The directors help a little bit for the first 5 big names but its minimal because those are the kids the college coaches were asking the directors about in July when they couldn't talk to your kid...these are the big splash kids who your club will promote right away and throw on their websites about the signings.....then you start to realize that even though your a really good player you didn't make the big splash and your in the second and third tiers and not getting even a quarter of a scholarship...then you start looking at the lesser named schools and hopefully you were seen in the summer by them.....do your homework people....identify a few schools you think you can play at (not freshman or even sophomore year) and reach out to the coaches in May and June and tell them where your going to be this summer so they can watch you....just about every club in NJ does two of the big recruiting tourneys whether its the NAL, NLF, Naptown, Crabfeast or whatever else.

The NJ 2023's are in the second and third tier now and its difficult....as the dude said in the posts before 2023 NJ is a little lacking in overall depth....2024's have a pretty large group of D1 prospects and the 2025's look to be even bigger as they are developing into a sizeable class as well....enjoy the ride because it stinks in your recruiting year!!!!!!!! Only a handful of kids on your team will be committed early...look at the non big named colleges....they are all comparable now with parity at the college level.[/quote]

2023s are not lacking in depth, they just aren't consolidated on 1 or 2 teams like the younger classes. Until you are in the thick of your kids recruiting year, you simply have no real perspective. 2023's are through the first wave of early commitments, more will follow, it is a very long process. Also, keep in mind that there are kids that have not shown interest in some of the D1 schools because of the school being subpar academically, so their recruiting process may take longer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people are all crazy, it has nothing to do with the club and everything to do with the kid. Keep telling yourself that a club is going to get your son to a top D1 school. You might be lucky if he has good grades and is a great lacrosse player, if not make sure you know who the top D3 schools are.

Can we upvote this post please. OP, I can assure you the delusional parents here (myself included) do not like reading this type of tough truth talk. Just know you are 1000% right and we know it deep down. Now after saying that, we in this forum like to discuss and argue about the recruiting process and for those of us who are new to the whole thing, reading different points of views on the topic doesn't hurt. So let's keep the conversation going... none of us is perfect. We all want the best for our kids in terms of playing the game they love to play and we hope it doesn't end in HS.

LE 2023s went 3-0 today with wins over sweetlax fl and Thunder. Impressive wins .

Where is everyone playing this weekend?

Any update on the tri state 2025 team? Haven’t seen them on any schedules

I am not sure they have a team. Word has it that the director has been dm-ing kids on Instagram trying to scrap for good players .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023s went 3-0 today with wins over sweetlax fl and Thunder. Impressive wins .

Not trying to stir the pot, but were any 2022s playing with them

I heard that some kids left 2025 bbl black who also were going to SHP? Perhaps no fall because most of the kids play football?

I heard some bbl black 2025 )who now got to SHP) left to play for tri-state. Maybe the 2025 team is no doing fall because of fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023s went 3-0 today with wins over sweetlax fl and Thunder. Impressive wins .

You mean the LE 2022/2023 team right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023s went 3-0 today with wins over sweetlax fl and Thunder. Impressive wins .

You mean the LE 2022/2023 team right?

It’s both funny and sad. They bring down 5 2022s and suddenly they have a good day. I feel bad for the 23s who don’t get to play as much as a result.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023s went 3-0 today with wins over sweetlax fl and Thunder. Impressive wins .

Not trying to stir the pot, but were any 2022s playing with them

Yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023s went 3-0 today with wins over sweetlax fl and Thunder. Impressive wins .

You mean the LE 2022/2023 team right?

It’s both funny and sad. They bring down 5 2022s and suddenly they have a good day. I feel bad for the 23s who don’t get to play as much as a result.

I stopped over to see them play. They didn’t have 5 2022s . It looked like 1 or 2 .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023s went 3-0 today with wins over sweetlax fl and Thunder. Impressive wins .

You mean the LE 2022/2023 team right?

It’s both funny and sad. They bring down 5 2022s and suddenly they have a good day. I feel bad for the 23s who don’t get to play as much as a result.

I stopped over to see them play. They didn’t have 5 2022s . It looked like 1 or 2 .

Saturday or Sunday?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023s went 3-0 today with wins over sweetlax fl and Thunder. Impressive wins .

Not trying to stir the pot, but were any 2022s playing with them

Yes

Unfortunate if any of the 2023s are losing playing time, but I guess that it makes sense from a recruiting perspective if the 2022s that played are still uncommitted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023s went 3-0 today with wins over sweetlax fl and Thunder. Impressive wins .

You mean the LE 2022/2023 team right?

It’s both funny and sad. They bring down 5 2022s and suddenly they have a good day. I feel bad for the 23s who don’t get to play as much as a result.

I stopped over to see them play. They didn’t have 5 2022s . It looked like 1 or 2 .

I saw them on Sunday. They played Looney's before our game. Tourne Machine had them beat up on a 2 teams and then their schedule had gotten switched for a 3rd game against the Looney's that happened to be before our game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023s went 3-0 today with wins over sweetlax fl and Thunder. Impressive wins .

You mean the LE 2022/2023 team right?

It’s both funny and sad. They bring down 5 2022s and suddenly they have a good day. I feel bad for the 23s who don’t get to play as much as a result.

I stopped over to see them play. They didn’t have 5 2022s . It looked like 1 or 2 .

I saw them on Sunday. They played Looney's before our game. Tourne Machine had them beat up on a 2 teams and then their schedule had gotten switched for a 3rd game against the Looney's that happened to be before our game.

Yeah a lot more played Saturday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2023s went 3-0 today with wins over sweetlax fl and Thunder. Impressive wins .

You mean the LE 2022/2023 team right?

It’s both funny and sad. They bring down 5 2022s and suddenly they have a good day. I feel bad for the 23s who don’t get to play as much as a result.

I stopped over to see them play. They didn’t have 5 2022s . It looked like 1 or 2 .

I saw them on Sunday. They played Looney's before our game. Tourne Machine had them beat up on a 2 teams and then their schedule had gotten switched for a 3rd game against the Looney's that happened to be before our game.

Yeah a lot more played Saturday.

2 in total. Really not that big of a deal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is everyone playing this weekend?

Any update on the tri state 2025 team? Haven’t seen them on any schedules

NAL. Not sure why our JE team punted into the weak tournament. In the past we would play with the best teams like BBL and LE are doing. Now all we can hope for is being the champion of the second tier tournament with the scrub teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is everyone playing this weekend?

Any update on the tri state 2025 team? Haven’t seen them on any schedules

NAL. Not sure why our JE team punted into the weak tournament. In the past we would play with the best teams like BBL and LE are doing. Now all we can hope for is being the champion of the second tier tournament with the scrub teams.

JE?

Very quiet in the forum. Tri-state 2023s go 0-2 and lose to a weak True Utah team. Is Tri State 2023 team falling apart? LE beat that same True team by 7 goals.

Very quiet day again today in the forum. BBL must have had a tough weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very quiet day again today in the forum. BBL must have had a tough weekend.

You are not kidding. NAL scores show bbl going 2-10 for the 2026-2023s. Poor showing.

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

LE 2025 coaches were moving kids all over the field they had so many kids sick and hurt.
They have a number of public school kids that will get playing time this spring on varsity. It will be interesting to see how they all grow and mature before the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

LE 2025 coaches were moving kids all over the field they had so many kids sick and hurt.
They have a number of public school kids that will get playing time this spring on varsity. It will be interesting to see how they all grow and mature before the summer.

LE is only program for HS. Look no farther than the shift at 2024 where BBL was a top ranked team up until 8th grade. Now they are struggling while LE 2024 is a top ranked team beating folks up and down the coast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

Yeah a shorthanded Blue Star team losing to a fully loaded Mad Dog National team by a goal is really embarrassing...perhaps you should focus more on the forty + coaches on the sidelines watching the game, that is what matters

Didn’t tri-state 2023 beat LE 2023 in June?
Why is someone constantly commenting on Tri-State?
It’s fall ball. Too bad no NJ team came out on top.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

PEOPLE....this is fall ball....many teams are missing key players...you guys are making way to much of this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

Yeah a shorthanded Blue Star team losing to a fully loaded Mad Dog National team by a goal is really embarrassing...perhaps you should focus more on the forty + coaches on the sidelines watching the game, that is what matters

Blue Star is a B level program whether you want to believe it or not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

PEOPLE....this is fall ball....many teams are missing key players...you guys are making way to much of this.

Fall Ball is still really important, especially as someone had mentioned above, when there are 40+ coaches on the sideline.

If you are getting beat up by True Utah, it's never a good look no matter what season you're in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

LE 2025 coaches were moving kids all over the field they had so many kids sick and hurt.
They have a number of public school kids that will get playing time this spring on varsity. It will be interesting to see how they all grow and mature before the summer.

I got to see them play this fall and they looked VERY GOOD. It seems like they added a handful of contributors from JE. One of the D guys on that team could easily be the best D man in the state for that 2025 group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

PEOPLE....this is fall ball....many teams are missing key players...you guys are making way to much of this.

Fall Ball is still really important, especially as someone had mentioned above, when there are 40+ coaches on the sideline.

If you are getting beat up by True Utah, it's never a good look no matter what season you're in.

Tri State 2023 had to use their back up 2024 face off kid, they had numerous 24's playing with them all weekend and had no face off kid at all on Sunday. Don't try to draw them into this LE vs BBL crapola.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

PEOPLE....this is fall ball....many teams are missing key players...you guys are making way to much of this.

Fall Ball is still really important, especially as someone had mentioned above, when there are 40+ coaches on the sideline.

If you are getting beat up by True Utah, it's never a good look no matter what season you're in.

Tri State 2023 had to use their back up 2024 face off kid, they had numerous 24's playing with them all weekend and had no face off kid at all on Sunday. Don't try to draw them into this LE vs BBL crapola.

By making every excuse in the book, you are drawing yourself in the the LE vs BBL crapola. If you cannot field a team, don't send a team. True Utah taught y'all a lesson.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

Yeah a shorthanded Blue Star team losing to a fully loaded Mad Dog National team by a goal is really embarrassing...perhaps you should focus more on the forty + coaches on the sidelines watching the game, that is what matters

Blue Star is a B level program whether you want to believe it or not.

No club in NJ has the top to bottom talent like a LI Express or 91. NJ clubs will have good and bad classes, just the way it is. So to make a blanket statement that a club is B level is simply short sighted and ignorant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

PEOPLE....this is fall ball....many teams are missing key players...you guys are making way to much of this.

Fall Ball is still really important, especially as someone had mentioned above, when there are 40+ coaches on the sideline.

If you are getting beat up by True Utah, it's never a good look no matter what season you're in.

Tri State 2023 had to use their back up 2024 face off kid, they had numerous 24's playing with them all weekend and had no face off kid at all on Sunday. Don't try to draw them into this LE vs BBL crapola.

By making every excuse in the book, you are drawing yourself in the the LE vs BBL crapola. If you cannot field a team, don't send a team. True Utah taught y'all a lesson.

Okay big bully, know it all, never wrong, I am great your not, my opinion only, that is how your coming off dude.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

Outside of Leading Edge? They are still the same old turnover machine as always. And they had a cupcake schedule and still lost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

NJ was not good and giving LE a C- To other programs ads and Fs is not much to crow about.

Don’t fret about what club team you are on as all clubs get their top 5 players recruited somewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

NJ was not good and giving LE a C- To other programs ads and Fs is not much to crow about.

Don’t fret about what club team you are on as all clubs get their top 5 players recruited somewhere.

Can you send me the decoder ring, please?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

NJ was not good and giving LE a C- To other programs ads and Fs is not much to crow about.

Don’t fret about what club team you are on as all clubs get their top 5 players recruited somewhere.

Sure. No club should be proud of NAL results. The NJ club schedules were easy which makes results even worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

NJ was not good and giving LE a C- To other programs ads and Fs is not much to crow about.

Don’t fret about what club team you are on as all clubs get their top 5 players recruited somewhere.

Can you send me the decoder ring, please?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

NJ was not good and giving LE a C- To other programs ads and Fs is not much to crow about.

Don’t fret about what club team you are on as all clubs get their top 5 players recruited somewhere.

Can you send On LE and still
Angry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

NJ was not good and giving LE a C- To other programs ads and Fs is not much to crow about.

Don’t fret about what club team you are on as all clubs get their top 5 players recruited somewhere.

Can you send me the decoder ring, please?

Angry LE parents are the best. Pure entertainment.

No, not angry anything. I really don't understand what they are trying to say. LE is C- and all NJ clubs received an F?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, not angry anything. I really don't understand what they are trying to say. LE is C- and all NJ clubs received an F?

NJ did not fair well at NAL. See you all at the Prime Time tryouts. JK it is the kid not the club. All the NJ clubs at the NAL have commits in 22 and 23. Yes some more than others. Yes LE gets 15 of the 50 NJ commits has a year. But 30 plus come from other clubs. Some leave NJ for stronger programs than NJ can offer like 91, express, prime time, 2 way, eclipse etc.

Recruiters will find your son if he is an athlete and has the size, skill and speed for the division.

Personally I just want to enjoy their high school days. A college sport is a job.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, not angry anything. I really don't understand what they are trying to say. LE is C- and all NJ clubs received an F?

NJ did not fair well at NAL. See you all at the Prime Time tryouts. JK it is the kid not the club. All the NJ clubs at the NAL have commits in 22 and 23. Yes some more than others. Yes LE gets 15 of the 50 NJ commits has a year. But 30 plus come from other clubs. Some leave NJ for stronger programs than NJ can offer like 91, express, prime time, 2 way, eclipse etc.

Recruiters will find your son if he is an athlete and has the size, skill and speed for the division.

Personally I just want to enjoy their high school days. A college sport is a job.

Very true, kids should think long and hard about whether they want to spend 4 years at a D1 college playing lacrosse every day, and then graduate having spent 4 years not really enjoying college. Not knocking the kids that want to take it on, but it is a huge commitment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, not angry anything. I really don't understand what they are trying to say. LE is C- and all NJ clubs received an F?

NJ did not fair well at NAL. See you all at the Prime Time tryouts. JK it is the kid not the club. All the NJ clubs at the NAL have commits in 22 and 23. Yes some more than others. Yes LE gets 15 of the 50 NJ commits has a year. But 30 plus come from other clubs. Some leave NJ for stronger programs than NJ can offer like 91, express, prime time, 2 way, eclipse etc.

Recruiters will find your son if he is an athlete and has the size, skill and speed for the division.

Personally I just want to enjoy their high school days. A college sport is a job.

Very true, kids should think long and hard about whether they want to spend 4 years at a D1 college playing lacrosse every day, and then graduate having spent 4 years not really enjoying college. Not knocking the kids that want to take it on, but it is a huge commitment.

Yup. I played D3 soccer and loved college life and my brother swam D1 and didn’t get in a pool for 8 years after graduating college.

BBL director leaving for True program? Oh boy.

Who's leaving BBL and what role is he taking at True?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL director leaving for True program? Oh boy.

If it is the 8th to high school one BBL will be better off with new blood. Great guy but BBL needs new people. And he needs fresh air at a new club as well. A win win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

Outside of Leading Edge? They are still the same old turnover machine as always. And they had a cupcake schedule and still lost.

My goodness… detest LE all you want, but give some credit where its due. They had a good weekend! The NJ clubs all played in different brackets at each age level. No one had a cupcake schedule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, not angry anything. I really don't understand what they are trying to say. LE is C- and all NJ clubs received an F?

NJ did not fair well at NAL. See you all at the Prime Time tryouts. JK it is the kid not the club. All the NJ clubs at the NAL have commits in 22 and 23. Yes some more than others. Yes LE gets 15 of the 50 NJ commits has a year. But 30 plus come from other clubs. Some leave NJ for stronger programs than NJ can offer like 91, express, prime time, 2 way, eclipse etc.

Recruiters will find your son if he is an athlete and has the size, skill and speed for the division.

Personally I just want to enjoy their high school days. A college sport is a job.

Clubs can play a very large role in the recruiting process at the D1 level.

Having the size, speed, etc. is 100% essential to get noticed, but coaches look at more than that. Take their perspective for a second. They see hundreds, maybe thousands of players each weekend. They may watch your son’s team for a half, if you’re lucky. Watch a half, check out both teams, move to another field and repeat.
- It becomes really hard to compare their favorite player from game 1 to a very similar player in game 20.

No matter what club you are on, they will reach out to the coach to learn more about the player. These relationships build over the years and become valuable when making tough decisions.

If you trust your club coach, and the college coach trust’s their opinion, then you are in a good spot! But do not under estimate the role that they play in the process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, not angry anything. I really don't understand what they are trying to say. LE is C- and all NJ clubs received an F?

NJ did not fair well at NAL. See you all at the Prime Time tryouts. JK it is the kid not the club. All the NJ clubs at the NAL have commits in 22 and 23. Yes some more than others. Yes LE gets 15 of the 50 NJ commits has a year. But 30 plus come from other clubs. Some leave NJ for stronger programs than NJ can offer like 91, express, prime time, 2 way, eclipse etc.

Recruiters will find your son if he is an athlete and has the size, skill and speed for the division.

Personally I just want to enjoy their high school days. A college sport is a job.

Clubs can play a very large role in the recruiting process at the D1 level.

Having the size, speed, etc. is 100% essential to get noticed, but coaches look at more than that. Take their perspective for a second. They see hundreds, maybe thousands of players each weekend. They may watch your son’s team for a half, if you’re lucky. Watch a half, check out both teams, move to another field and repeat.
- It becomes really hard to compare their favorite player from game 1 to a very similar player in game 20.

No matter what club you are on, they will reach out to the coach to learn more about the player. These relationships build over the years and become valuable when making tough decisions.

If you trust your club coach, and the college coach trust’s their opinion, then you are in a good spot! But do not under estimate the role that they play in the process.

Yes. Agreed for the top players on each club. There are about 25 3 star plus players in NJ each grad year.

The rest of the players on the back 85% end of every NJ club 22 or 23 roster and the back 70% of LE for you LE heads need to do a lot of the recruiting work themselves. Those players realize they have to go to D1, D3 and D2 showcases and college prospect days. That is what a lot of these seniors do in their junior/senior summer and fall. There is nothing wrong with this process. A club is not the complete answer for most of our children.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, not angry anything. I really don't understand what they are trying to say. LE is C- and all NJ clubs received an F?

NJ did not fair well at NAL. See you all at the Prime Time tryouts. JK it is the kid not the club. All the NJ clubs at the NAL have commits in 22 and 23. Yes some more than others. Yes LE gets 15 of the 50 NJ commits has a year. But 30 plus come from other clubs. Some leave NJ for stronger programs than NJ can offer like 91, express, prime time, 2 way, eclipse etc.

Recruiters will find your son if he is an athlete and has the size, skill and speed for the division.

Personally I just want to enjoy their high school days. A college sport is a job.

Clubs can play a very large role in the recruiting process at the D1 level.

Having the size, speed, etc. is 100% essential to get noticed, but coaches look at more than that. Take their perspective for a second. They see hundreds, maybe thousands of players each weekend. They may watch your son’s team for a half, if you’re lucky. Watch a half, check out both teams, move to another field and repeat.
- It becomes really hard to compare their favorite player from game 1 to a very similar player in game 20.

No matter what club you are on, they will reach out to the coach to learn more about the player. These relationships build over the years and become valuable when making tough decisions.

If you trust your club coach, and the college coach trust’s their opinion, then you are in a good spot! But do not under estimate the role that they play in the process.

Very well said. The club coaches and directors play a significant role in the recruiting process, particularly in the kids that may not be a top 1-5 player. (These types of players standout and would get recruited no matter what)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

Outside of Leading Edge? They are still the same old turnover machine as always. And they had a cupcake schedule and still lost.

My goodness… detest LE all you want, but give some credit where its due. They had a good weekend! The NJ clubs all played in different brackets at each age level. No one had a cupcake schedule.

There’s really no credit due. 2025s played good. The rest not so much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, not angry anything. I really don't understand what they are trying to say. LE is C- and all NJ clubs received an F?

NJ did not fair well at NAL. See you all at the Prime Time tryouts. JK it is the kid not the club. All the NJ clubs at the NAL have commits in 22 and 23. Yes some more than others. Yes LE gets 15 of the 50 NJ commits has a year. But 30 plus come from other clubs. Some leave NJ for stronger programs than NJ can offer like 91, express, prime time, 2 way, eclipse etc.

Recruiters will find your son if he is an athlete and has the size, skill and speed for the division.

Personally I just want to enjoy their high school days. A college sport is a job.

Clubs can play a very large role in the recruiting process at the D1 level.

Having the size, speed, etc. is 100% essential to get noticed, but coaches look at more than that. Take their perspective for a second. They see hundreds, maybe thousands of players each weekend. They may watch your son’s team for a half, if you’re lucky. Watch a half, check out both teams, move to another field and repeat.
- It becomes really hard to compare their favorite player from game 1 to a very similar player in game 20.

No matter what club you are on, they will reach out to the coach to learn more about the player. These relationships build over the years and become valuable when making tough decisions.

If you trust your club coach, and the college coach trust’s their opinion, then you are in a good spot! But do not under estimate the role that they play in the process.

Yes. Agreed for the top players on each club. There are about 25 3 star plus players in NJ each grad year.

The rest of the players on the back 85% end of every NJ club 22 or 23 roster and the back 70% of LE for you LE heads need to do a lot of the recruiting work themselves. Those players realize they have to go to D1, D3 and D2 showcases and college prospect days. That is what a lot of these seniors do in their junior/senior summer and fall. There is nothing wrong with this process. A club is not the complete answer for most of our children.

I disagree. Club coaches relationships are extremely important for the kids that fall outside of the top studs. The top dogs are going to go to big time schools with or without that director or coach pushing them. The next crop of kids are the ones that need the coach advocating for them to become a solid recruit and land them a home that best fits their academic and lacrosse ability.

What many people don’t realize is that there is a very small group of schools that often fit a players academic and lacrosse ability as a perfect match.

I personally think our club coach and director will play a vital role in finding that match.

Prospect days and camps are often money grabs for schools to help pay their volunteer assistant coaches. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure some kids can stand out and get picked up from a prospect day, but a good majority are money makers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, not angry anything. I really don't understand what they are trying to say. LE is C- and all NJ clubs received an F?

NJ did not fair well at NAL. See you all at the Prime Time tryouts. JK it is the kid not the club. All the NJ clubs at the NAL have commits in 22 and 23. Yes some more than others. Yes LE gets 15 of the 50 NJ commits has a year. But 30 plus come from other clubs. Some leave NJ for stronger programs than NJ can offer like 91, express, prime time, 2 way, eclipse etc.

Recruiters will find your son if he is an athlete and has the size, skill and speed for the division.

Personally I just want to enjoy their high school days. A college sport is a job.

Clubs can play a very large role in the recruiting process at the D1 level.

Having the size, speed, etc. is 100% essential to get noticed, but coaches look at more than that. Take their perspective for a second. They see hundreds, maybe thousands of players each weekend. They may watch your son’s team for a half, if you’re lucky. Watch a half, check out both teams, move to another field and repeat.
- It becomes really hard to compare their favorite player from game 1 to a very similar player in game 20.

No matter what club you are on, they will reach out to the coach to learn more about the player. These relationships build over the years and become valuable when making tough decisions.

If you trust your club coach, and the college coach trust’s their opinion, then you are in a good spot! But do not under estimate the role that they play in the process.

Yes. Agreed for the top players on each club. There are about 25 3 star plus players in NJ each grad year.

The rest of the players on the back 85% end of every NJ club 22 or 23 roster and the back 70% of LE for you LE heads need to do a lot of the recruiting work themselves. Those players realize they have to go to D1, D3 and D2 showcases and college prospect days. That is what a lot of these seniors do in their junior/senior summer and fall. There is nothing wrong with this process. A club is not the complete answer for most of our children.

Complete answer, no. But they should be helping you through the entirety of it. If your son is a D3 level player, I would hope the club coach is honest enough with them to say hey, “UNC’s prospect day might not be a great fit.” Also advising on which showcases are actually worth attending and which are money grabs.

If the club coach is not giving this advice, or speaking to college coaches on behalf of every kid, they aren’t doing their job.

As a side note: The D3 recruiting process can be different from D1 given there isn’t scholarship money, contact restrictions, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, not angry anything. I really don't understand what they are trying to say. LE is C- and all NJ clubs received an F?

NJ did not fair well at NAL. See you all at the Prime Time tryouts. JK it is the kid not the club. All the NJ clubs at the NAL have commits in 22 and 23. Yes some more than others. Yes LE gets 15 of the 50 NJ commits has a year. But 30 plus come from other clubs. Some leave NJ for stronger programs than NJ can offer like 91, express, prime time, 2 way, eclipse etc.

Recruiters will find your son if he is an athlete and has the size, skill and speed for the division.

Personally I just want to enjoy their high school days. A college sport is a job.

Clubs can play a very large role in the recruiting process at the D1 level.

Having the size, speed, etc. is 100% essential to get noticed, but coaches look at more than that. Take their perspective for a second. They see hundreds, maybe thousands of players each weekend. They may watch your son’s team for a half, if you’re lucky. Watch a half, check out both teams, move to another field and repeat.
- It becomes really hard to compare their favorite player from game 1 to a very similar player in game 20.

No matter what club you are on, they will reach out to the coach to learn more about the player. These relationships build over the years and become valuable when making tough decisions.

If you trust your club coach, and the college coach trust’s their opinion, then you are in a good spot! But do not under estimate the role that they play in the process.

Yes. Agreed for the top players on each club. There are about 25 3 star plus players in NJ each grad year.

The rest of the players on the back 85% end of every NJ club 22 or 23 roster and the back 70% of LE for you LE heads need to do a lot of the recruiting work themselves. Those players realize they have to go to D1, D3 and D2 showcases and college prospect days. That is what a lot of these seniors do in their junior/senior summer and fall. There is nothing wrong with this process. A club is not the complete answer for most of our children.

Complete answer, no. But they should be helping you through the entirety of it. If your son is a D3 level player, I would hope the club coach is honest enough with them to say hey, “UNC’s prospect day might not be a great fit.” Also advising on which showcases are actually worth attending and which are money grabs.

If the club coach is not giving this advice, or speaking to college coaches on behalf of every kid, they aren’t doing their job.

As a side note: The D3 recruiting process can be different from D1 given there isn’t scholarship money, contact restrictions, etc.

Agreed. The club coach is helping the player find the match of lacrosse ability & academics.

To even further the point, they shouldn't be jamming kids down D1 coaches throats if they do not fit. Eventually that can come back to haunt them because the school will lose trust in the director or coach pushing kids that don't belong.

It is about finding the fit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

Outside of Leading Edge? They are still the same old turnover machine as always. And they had a cupcake schedule and still lost.

My goodness… detest LE all you want, but give some credit where its due. They had a good weekend! The NJ clubs all played in different brackets at each age level. No one had a cupcake schedule.

I can’t stand LE because they are liars and you can’t trust them at all. It’s that simple. I had my son play with them for 5 years and they F’d us his junior year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL director leaving for True program? Oh boy.

If it is the 8th to high school one BBL will be better off with new blood. Great guy but BBL needs new people. And he needs fresh air at a new club as well. A win win.

Why would bbl need new people? Is it because they have a pretty weak coaching staff? I am just curious.

Any updates on the remaining NJ 2023's for recruiting? This was a big weekend with NLF, NXT and Pinnacle with all the NJ teams basically playing in one of these tourneys. After Florida in December, the focus shifts to the 2024's on June 1st (minus HS ball).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL director leaving for True program? Oh boy.

If it is the 8th to high school one BBL will be better off with new blood. Great guy but BBL needs new people. And he needs fresh air at a new club as well. A win win.

Why would bbl need new people? Is it because they have a pretty weak coaching staff? I am just curious.

Need staff at director level.

Coaching is team by team. The coaches are good because the teams practice so much the jobs are pretty good and consistent for part time lacrosse gigs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any updates on the remaining NJ 2023's for recruiting? This was a big weekend with NLF, NXT and Pinnacle with all the NJ teams basically playing in one of these tourneys. After Florida in December, the focus shifts to the 2024's on June 1st (minus HS ball).

What updates do you want? There will be some more 2023 D1 commits shortly, then a slow trickle of kids committing through spring and summer. Next summer you will see a bunch of D3 commitments through the fall. The top 2024s will commit next Fall and the cycle continues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any updates on the remaining NJ 2023's for recruiting? This was a big weekend with NLF, NXT and Pinnacle with all the NJ teams basically playing in one of these tourneys. After Florida in December, the focus shifts to the 2024's on June 1st (minus HS ball).

What updates do you want? There will be some more 2023 D1 commits shortly, then a slow trickle of kids committing through spring and summer. Next summer you will see a bunch of D3 commitments through the fall. The top 2024s will commit next Fall and the cycle continues.

Exactly, it's the same as every other year.

Does anyone have experience with Tim Roy as a high school coach? He is now at Chatham.

Can anyone share their experience if they play lax for SHP? Is it very competitive to make the team?

How? What happened? Did they cut him?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone share their experience if they play lax for SHP? Is it very competitive to make the team?

They have Freshmen, JV, Varsity teams. About 30 kids will make each team. About 120 kids will probably try out so depending on the grade you will need to be in the top 75% or so as a frosh or soph.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

Outside of Leading Edge? They are still the same old turnover machine as always. And they had a cupcake schedule and still lost.

My goodness… detest LE all you want, but give some credit where its due. They had a good weekend! The NJ clubs all played in different brackets at each age level. No one had a cupcake schedule.

I can’t stand LE because they are liars and you can’t trust them at all. It’s that simple. I had my son play with them for 5 years and they F’d us his junior year.

Sounds like your kid was a bottom 10%er and got cut.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

Outside of Leading Edge? They are still the same old turnover machine as always. And they had a cupcake schedule and still lost.

My goodness… detest LE all you want, but give some credit where its due. They had a good weekend! The NJ clubs all played in different brackets at each age level. No one had a cupcake schedule.

I can’t stand LE because they are liars and you can’t trust them at all. It’s that simple. I had my son play with them for 5 years and they F’d us his junior year.

Sounds like your kid was a bottom 10%er and got cut.

Also sounds like you may have been part of the problem. What does that mean, they screwed us his junior year anyway?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone share their experience if they play lax for SHP? Is it very competitive to make the team?

They have a 2023 commit that was on JV last year, so yes, it is pretty competitive

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

Outside of Leading Edge? They are still the same old turnover machine as always. And they had a cupcake schedule and still lost.

My goodness… detest LE all you want, but give some credit where its due. They had a good weekend! The NJ clubs all played in different brackets at each age level. No one had a cupcake schedule.

I can’t stand LE because they are liars and you can’t trust them at all. It’s that simple. I had my son play with them for 5 years and they F’d us his junior year.

Sounds like your kid was a bottom 10%er and got cut.

Also sounds like you may have been part of the problem. What does that mean, they screwed us his junior year anyway?

I think this person is on the team now and referring to the present time. Lots of parents frustrated with playing time, 2022’s playing on the team and lack of college offers.

Why would you say Tim Roy would ruin Chatham? He seems like a good coach, although I don’t know him well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you say Tim Roy would ruin Chatham? He seems like a good coach, although I don’t know him well.

Whether justified or not, he has definitely rubbed some people the wrong way. Obviously, there are two sides to each LE story, but you have to imagine that some of the negative comments are legitimate, and some just sour grapes. The real question is whether he can succeed without the ability to recruit the players that he wants. The player pool is limited to the borders of Chatham, unlike LE, or schools like Delbarton and SHP, that pull in top players consistently.. That is not meant to be a knock on the Chatham program, just the reality of the situation. Perhaps if he can convince those kids that leave Chatham to go to private schools for lacrosse to stay, that may be a positive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

Outside of Leading Edge? They are still the same old turnover machine as always. And they had a cupcake schedule and still lost.

My goodness… detest LE all you want, but give some credit where its due. They had a good weekend! The NJ clubs all played in different brackets at each age level. No one had a cupcake schedule.

I can’t stand LE because they are liars and you can’t trust them at all. It’s that simple. I had my son play with them for 5 years and they F’d us his junior year.

Sounds like your kid was a bottom 10%er and got cut.

Also sounds like you may have been part of the problem. What does that mean, they screwed us his junior year anyway?

This means that they often will end up cutting the bottom 10% of the team and adding kids that come over from other clubs to improve the roster. It happens with many programs.

So it most likely means your son was a bottom of the roster guy that they felt could be replaced by someone or just better off without having to give your son playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you say Tim Roy would ruin Chatham? He seems like a good coach, although I don’t know him well.

Whether justified or not, he has definitely rubbed some people the wrong way. Obviously, there are two sides to each LE story, but you have to imagine that some of the negative comments are legitimate, and some just sour grapes. The real question is whether he can succeed without the ability to recruit the players that he wants. The player pool is limited to the borders of Chatham, unlike LE, or schools like Delbarton and SHP, that pull in top players consistently.. That is not meant to be a knock on the Chatham program, just the reality of the situation. Perhaps if he can convince those kids that leave Chatham to go to private schools for lacrosse to stay, that may be a positive.

Thats a fair point. A lot of the Chatham success will come from what kids end up staying public. Let's call a spade a spade, the previous coach has had some pretty insane talent while he was there. They won a couple of state titles and a lot of people in town still have not had many great things to say.

If the talent stays in that town, the program would be just fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you say Tim Roy would ruin Chatham? He seems like a good coach, although I don’t know him well.

Whether justified or not, he has definitely rubbed some people the wrong way. Obviously, there are two sides to each LE story, but you have to imagine that some of the negative comments are legitimate, and some just sour grapes. The real question is whether he can succeed without the ability to recruit the players that he wants. The player pool is limited to the borders of Chatham, unlike LE, or schools like Delbarton and SHP, that pull in top players consistently.. That is not meant to be a knock on the Chatham program, just the reality of the situation. Perhaps if he can convince those kids that leave Chatham to go to private schools for lacrosse to stay, that may be a positive.

Thats a fair point. A lot of the Chatham success will come from what kids end up staying public. Let's call a spade a spade, the previous coach has had some pretty insane talent while he was there. They won a couple of state titles and a lot of people in town still have not had many great things to say.

If the talent stays in that town, the program would be just fine.

Agreed, schools like Westfield, Summit, ML, Manasquan and RFH do a great job keeping kids public...Chatham could easily be part of the mix

I can’t stand LE because they are liars and you can’t trust them at all. It’s that simple. I had my son play with them for 5 years and they F’d us his junior year.[/quote]

Sounds like your kid was a bottom 10%er and got cut.[/quote]

Also sounds like you may have been part of the problem. What does that mean, they screwed us his junior year anyway?[/quote]

This means that they often will end up cutting the bottom 10% of the team and adding kids that come over from other clubs to improve the roster. It happens with many programs.

So it most likely means your son was a bottom of the roster guy that they felt could be replaced by someone or just better off without having to give your son playing time.[/quote]

Actually, you’re all wrong. He wasn’t cut and was a strong player. Not top 5, but next 5. It was because he chose to play with his HS team in the fall, he was ignored thereafter. No recruiting support.

Would not say Summit, Manasquan, RFH, and Westfield do a great job of keeping kids public compared to Mountain Lakes. If you look at the rosters of schools like Delbarton, SHP, Pingry, Lawrenceville, and even NE prep schools, they are littered with kids from Summit every year. Same applies to Westfield for SHP, St. Peters, and Pingry. Less so with Delbarton and the prep schools. With regard to Squan and RFH, take a look at the rosters at CBA, Red Bank Catholic, Lawrenceville, Hun, etc. Ridgewood, Northern Highlands, and Ramapo are all in the same boat with loads of kids heading to the Bergen County catholic schools.

In Mountain Lakes, it is very very rare to see kids go to private school. Not sure how Flynn has done it but a Mountain Lakes resident going to Delbarton (really the only private school that makes sense geographically/athletically/demographically).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would not say Summit, Manasquan, RFH, and Westfield do a great job of keeping kids public compared to Mountain Lakes. If you look at the rosters of schools like Delbarton, SHP, Pingry, Lawrenceville, and even NE prep schools, they are littered with kids from Summit every year. Same applies to Westfield for SHP, St. Peters, and Pingry. Less so with Delbarton and the prep schools. With regard to Squan and RFH, take a look at the rosters at CBA, Red Bank Catholic, Lawrenceville, Hun, etc. Ridgewood, Northern Highlands, and Ramapo are all in the same boat with loads of kids heading to the Bergen County catholic schools.

In Mountain Lakes, it is very very rare to see kids go to private school. Not sure how Flynn has done it but a Mountain Lakes resident going to Delbarton (really the only private school that makes sense geographically/athletically/demographically).

Fair point, and I agree that ML probably does the best job at keeping kids local, especially with the many private options nearby. As for schools like Westfield, Ridgewood and Summit, I guess that the talent pool is deep enough to absorb losing kids. Manasquan/RFH are a much different dynamic because the only alternative lacrosse option (other than heading off to prep school) is CBA, but CBA loses out on a lot of players because of the absence of football which keeps a lot of RFH/Manasquan/Wall kids public (no kid goes to RBC for lacrosse).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would not say Summit, Manasquan, RFH, and Westfield do a great job of keeping kids public compared to Mountain Lakes. If you look at the rosters of schools like Delbarton, SHP, Pingry, Lawrenceville, and even NE prep schools, they are littered with kids from Summit every year. Same applies to Westfield for SHP, St. Peters, and Pingry. Less so with Delbarton and the prep schools. With regard to Squan and RFH, take a look at the rosters at CBA, Red Bank Catholic, Lawrenceville, Hun, etc. Ridgewood, Northern Highlands, and Ramapo are all in the same boat with loads of kids heading to the Bergen County catholic schools.

In Mountain Lakes, it is very very rare to see kids go to private school. Not sure how Flynn has done it but a Mountain Lakes resident going to Delbarton (really the only private school that makes sense geographically/athletically/demographically).

Fair point, and I agree that ML probably does the best job at keeping kids local, especially with the many private options nearby. As for schools like Westfield, Ridgewood and Summit, I guess that the talent pool is deep enough to absorb losing kids. Manasquan/RFH are a much different dynamic because the only alternative lacrosse option (other than heading off to prep school) is CBA, but CBA loses out on a lot of players because of the absence of football which keeps a lot of RFH/Manasquan/Wall kids public (no kid goes to RBC for lacrosse).

Not a knock on Flynn but MLHS is basically a private school because of the town’s demographics and that is more the reason they don’t lose as many kids as bigger town like Summit, RW and Westfield.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

Outside of Leading Edge? They are still the same old turnover machine as always. And they had a cupcake schedule and still lost.

My goodness… detest LE all you want, but give some credit where its due. They had a good weekend! The NJ clubs all played in different brackets at each age level. No one had a cupcake schedule.

I can’t stand LE because they are liars and you can’t trust them at all. It’s that simple. I had my son play with them for 5 years and they F’d us his junior year.

Sounds like your kid was a bottom 10%er and got cut.

Nope, he finished HS on LE and I regret it. He wanted to play with his HS team in the fall and was punished for it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can’t stand LE because they are liars and you can’t trust them at all. It’s that simple. I had my son play with them for 5 years and they F’d us his junior year.

Sounds like your kid was a bottom 10%er and got cut.[/quote]

Also sounds like you may have been part of the problem. What does that mean, they screwed us his junior year anyway?[/quote]

This means that they often will end up cutting the bottom 10% of the team and adding kids that come over from other clubs to improve the roster. It happens with many programs.

So it most likely means your son was a bottom of the roster guy that they felt could be replaced by someone or just better off without having to give your son playing time.[/quote]

Actually, you’re all wrong. He wasn’t cut and was a strong player. Not top 5, but next 5. It was because he chose to play with his HS team in the fall, he was ignored thereafter. No recruiting support.[/quote]

What class?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you say Tim Roy would ruin Chatham? He seems like a good coach, although I don’t know him well.

You’ll see. Not a good coach at all. Completely disorganized and has no long term plan.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

I can’t stand LE because they are liars and you can’t trust them at all. It’s that simple. I had my son play with them for 5 years and they F’d us his junior year.

Sounds like your kid was a bottom 10%er and got cut.

You obviously don’t have experience with LE. They don’t cut anyone from their teams once they get to HS. They just drag them along with false hope. Just ask the parents on the 2023 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

Bluestar, BBL and Riot all struggled.

Outside of Leading Edge? They are still the same old turnover machine as always. And they had a cupcake schedule and still lost.

My goodness… detest LE all you want, but give some credit where its due. They had a good weekend! The NJ clubs all played in different brackets at each age level. No one had a cupcake schedule.

I can’t stand LE because they are liars and you can’t trust them at all. It’s that simple. I had my son play with them for 5 years and they F’d us his junior year.

Sounds like your kid was a bottom 10%er and got cut.

Nope, he finished HS on LE and I regret it. He wanted to play with his HS team in the fall and was punished for it.

I know. If anyone thinks the Roy’s care about their kids they are wrong. Only about themselves. Embarrassing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can’t stand LE because they are liars and you can’t trust them at all. It’s that simple. I had my son play with them for 5 years and they F’d us his junior year.

Sounds like your kid was a bottom 10%er and got cut.

Also sounds like you may have been part of the problem. What does that mean, they screwed us his junior year anyway?[/quote]

This means that they often will end up cutting the bottom 10% of the team and adding kids that come over from other clubs to improve the roster. It happens with many programs.

So it most likely means your son was a bottom of the roster guy that they felt could be replaced by someone or just better off without having to give your son playing time.[/quote]

Actually, you’re all wrong. He wasn’t cut and was a strong player. Not top 5, but next 5. It was because he chose to play with his HS team in the fall, he was ignored thereafter. No recruiting support.[/quote]

What class?[/quote]

Why would the dude answer this question. It would obviously identify the individual to the LE directors who are on this forum. I think they are a little more receptive to missing SOME fall ball nowadays .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

I can’t stand LE because they are liars and you can’t trust them at all. It’s that simple. I had my son play with them for 5 years and they F’d us his junior year.

Sounds like your kid was a bottom 10%er and got cut.

You obviously don’t have experience with LE. They don’t cut anyone from their teams once they get to HS. They just drag them along with false hope. Just ask the parents on the 2023 team.

Been with LE for a couple years now and have had nothing but a great experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]NAL was extremely embarrassing for NJ lax outside of Leading Edge.

I can’t stand LE because they are liars and you can’t trust them at all. It’s that simple. I had my son play with them for 5 years and they F’d us his junior year.

Sounds like your kid was a bottom 10%er and got cut.

You obviously don’t have experience with LE. They don’t cut anyone from their teams once they get to HS. They just drag them along with false hope. Just ask the parents on the 2023 team.

Been with LE for a couple years now and have had nothing but a great experience.

Just wait.

You mean top 25%

Unfortunately, I think some are now considering leaving Chatham to go private because of the move. But time will tell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately, I think some are now considering leaving Chatham to go private because of the move. But time will tell.

I tell ya what. If they didn’t leave when the past coach was there, they probably won’t now. Last coach was an absolute disaster .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately, I think some are now considering leaving Chatham to go private because of the move. But time will tell.

I tell ya what. If they didn’t leave when the past coach was there, they probably won’t now. Last coach was an absolute disaster .

what last coach? the one that won multiple state championships and had multiple TOC appearances, while the new coach lead middle to low level schools to average seasons? or am i missing something?

Seems like BBL has really become the premier club in NJ. Really strong teams at the 2024 & 2025 level. Tri-State seems to be second, with Leading Edge coming up as well.

Is there a new leadership at BBL? Seems like they are focused on elite play and the other clubs are taking their scraps.

Bbl 23 bad, bbl 24 good, bbl 25 good, bbl 26 bad and bbl 27 good.
Year to year with BBL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like BBL has really become the premier club in NJ. Really strong teams at the 2024 & 2025 level. Tri-State seems to be second, with Leading Edge coming up as well.

Is there a new leadership at BBL? Seems like they are focused on elite play and the other clubs are taking their scraps.

I guess that things can "seem" that way, but not reality

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like BBL has really become the premier club in NJ. Really strong teams at the 2024 & 2025 level. Tri-State seems to be second, with Leading Edge coming up as well.

Is there a new leadership at BBL? Seems like they are focused on elite play and the other clubs are taking their scraps.

I guess that things can "seem" that way, but not reality

Gotta give credit when it's deserved. BBL 2024 & 2025 both strong teams. Someone's jelly of BBL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like BBL has really become the premier club in NJ. Really strong teams at the 2024 & 2025 level. Tri-State seems to be second, with Leading Edge coming up as well.

Is there a new leadership at BBL? Seems like they are focused on elite play and the other clubs are taking their scraps.

I guess that things can "seem" that way, but not reality

Gotta give credit when it's deserved. BBL 2024 & 2025 both strong teams. Someone's jelly of BBL

The problem is that you made a blanket statement about BBL vs. other NJ programs....yes, BBL 2024 & 2025 are very good, but they also have teams that are not as competitive as other NJ club teams like at 2023 and 2026....that is not jealousy, just the truth

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like BBL has really become the premier club in NJ. Really strong teams at the 2024 & 2025 level. Tri-State seems to be second, with Leading Edge coming up as well.

Is there a new leadership at BBL? Seems like they are focused on elite play and the other clubs are taking their scraps.

I guess that things can "seem" that way, but not reality

Gotta give credit when it's deserved. BBL 2024 & 2025 both strong teams. Someone's jelly of BBL

Leading Edge passing BBL at 2024 as they tend to do with HS teams. Theyre playing more and against top teams as well. Tristate and Riot are interchangeable at 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like BBL has really become the premier club in NJ. Really strong teams at the 2024 & 2025 level. Tri-State seems to be second, with Leading Edge coming up as well.

Is there a new leadership at BBL? Seems like they are focused on elite play and the other clubs are taking their scraps.

I guess that things can "seem" that way, but not reality

Gotta give credit when it's deserved. BBL 2024 & 2025 both strong teams. Someone's jelly of BBL

Leading Edge passing BBL at 2024 as they tend to do with HS teams. Theyre playing more and against top teams as well. Tristate and Riot are interchangeable at 3.

Sorry but watching both 2024 teams play summer and fall, there is no way LE is passing BBL. I expected them to, but LE is not improving while BBL remains strong. Overall LE is trending down now that the founder left and team 91 took over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bbl 23 bad, bbl 24 good, bbl 25 good, bbl 26 bad and bbl 27 good.
Year to year with BBL

All NJ clubs are year to year. No one dominates the scene anymore. The best have been:

2021: Tri-State
2022: Leading Edge
2023: Tri-State
2024: BBL
2025: BBL

It’s going to stay this way so just pick a club that works for you. Doesn’t matter which one. They all get the job done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bbl 23 bad, bbl 24 good, bbl 25 good, bbl 26 bad and bbl 27 good.
Year to year with BBL

All NJ clubs are year to year. No one dominates the scene anymore. The best have been:

2021: Tri-State
2022: Leading Edge
2023: Tri-State
2024: BBL
2025: BBL

It’s going to stay this way so just pick a club that works for you. Doesn’t matter which one. They all get the job done.

I actually agree with you on these but the 2024's can not be determined yet. The three 2024 teams are really equal and have a lot of new parts. LE is missing a top scorer but picked up a stud scorer this season, BBL is still good and would be the best of the three if LE did not take their elite goalie and Tri State is underrated, apparently only missing a real LSM.

BBL 2025 is stronger right now but LE is on the upswing. Tri State 2025 is behind at this age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bbl 23 bad, bbl 24 good, bbl 25 good, bbl 26 bad and bbl 27 good.
Year to year with BBL

All NJ clubs are year to year. No one dominates the scene anymore. The best have been:

2021: Tri-State
2022: Leading Edge
2023: Tri-State
2024: BBL
2025: BBL

It’s going to stay this way so just pick a club that works for you. Doesn’t matter which one. They all get the job done.

I actually agree with you on these but the 2024's can not be determined yet. The three 2024 teams are really equal and have a lot of new parts. LE is missing a top scorer but picked up a stud scorer this season, BBL is still good and would be the best of the three if LE did not take their elite goalie and Tri State is underrated, apparently only missing a real LSM.

BBL 2025 is stronger right now but LE is on the upswing. Tri State 2025 is behind at this age.

LE 2025 can't score. it's all hero ball, until they get coached or grow up they will never beat BBL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like BBL has really become the premier club in NJ. Really strong teams at the 2024 & 2025 level. Tri-State seems to be second, with Leading Edge coming up as well.

Is there a new leadership at BBL? Seems like they are focused on elite play and the other clubs are taking their scraps.

I guess that things can "seem" that way, but not reality

Gotta give credit when it's deserved. BBL 2024 & 2025 both strong teams. Someone's jelly of BBL

Leading Edge passing BBL at 2024 as they tend to do with HS teams. Theyre playing more and against top teams as well. Tristate and Riot are interchangeable at 3.

Sorry but watching both 2024 teams play summer and fall, there is no way LE is passing BBL. I expected them to, but LE is not improving while BBL remains strong. Overall LE is trending down now that the founder left and team 91 took over.

I would say that is not true. The LE 24 team last year was terrible . Watching some of their games this fall, they have added a couple really good additions and seemed to get rid of some of the bottom tiered players.

Looks like they beat prime time this weekend. Last year they couldn’t hold a candle to a team like prime time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like BBL has really become the premier club in NJ. Really strong teams at the 2024 & 2025 level. Tri-State seems to be second, with Leading Edge coming up as well.

Is there a new leadership at BBL? Seems like they are focused on elite play and the other clubs are taking their scraps.

I guess that things can "seem" that way, but not reality

Gotta give credit when it's deserved. BBL 2024 & 2025 both strong teams. Someone's jelly of BBL

Leading Edge passing BBL at 2024 as they tend to do with HS teams. Theyre playing more and against top teams as well. Tristate and Riot are interchangeable at 3.

Sorry but watching both 2024 teams play summer and fall, there is no way LE is passing BBL. I expected them to, but LE is not improving while BBL remains strong. Overall LE is trending down now that the founder left and team 91 took over.

I would say that is not true. The LE 24 team last year was terrible . Watching some of their games this fall, they have added a couple really good additions and seemed to get rid of some of the bottom tiered players.

Looks like they beat prime time this weekend. Last year they couldn’t hold a candle to a team like prime time.

I am not so sure about this thought. They dropped 4 offensive players and picked up 2. 3 of them hardly played. The one kid that was picked up is a stud but the offense is still not that good and he seems to be carrying them. I know that the coach does not have the best history being successful with the 2023's and 2024's so that could be it. Come summer director coach and I think they will improve but like someone said earlier, LE, BBL and Tri State are very close in talent and would all probably beat each other on different days.

Good thread going on here the past few days as not to much nastiness going on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bbl 23 bad, bbl 24 good, bbl 25 good, bbl 26 bad and bbl 27 good.
Year to year with BBL

All NJ clubs are year to year. No one dominates the scene anymore. The best have been:

2021: Tri-State
2022: Leading Edge
2023: Tri-State
2024: BBL
2025: BBL

It’s going to stay this way so just pick a club that works for you. Doesn’t matter which one. They all get the job done.

This post is on point. All three clubs are good. Riot is clear #4 and still gets kids to college. Pick the one that is your best fit and what works for you. Stay with your clubs from 8th grade. If your good enough you'll be fine and you'll get get where you want to go.

Does anyone know what this NJ National team is? They are bringing a 2022/2023 and a 2026 team to Club Nationals in Orlando....never heard of them before.

The Orlando tournament this past weekend was apparently a really impressive event. Someone I spoke to that was there said that there were easily 300+ College coaches. Seems like NJ was pretty well represented as well. Good work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Orlando tournament this past weekend was apparently a really impressive event. Someone I spoke to that was there said that there were easily 300+ College coaches. Seems like NJ was pretty well represented as well. Good work.

Just wondering if they were watching 2022's, 2023's and 2024's? I am assuming mostly 2023's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like BBL has really become the premier club in NJ. Really strong teams at the 2024 & 2025 level. Tri-State seems to be second, with Leading Edge coming up as well.

Is there a new leadership at BBL? Seems like they are focused on elite play and the other clubs are taking their scraps.

I guess that things can "seem" that way, but not reality

Gotta give credit when it's deserved. BBL 2024 & 2025 both strong teams. Someone's jelly of BBL

Leading Edge passing BBL at 2024 as they tend to do with HS teams. Theyre playing more and against top teams as well. Tristate and Riot are interchangeable at 3.

Sorry but watching both 2024 teams play summer and fall, there is no way LE is passing BBL. I expected them to, but LE is not improving while BBL remains strong. Overall LE is trending down now that the founder left and team 91 took over.

I would say that is not true. The LE 24 team last year was terrible . Watching some of their games this fall, they have added a couple really good additions and seemed to get rid of some of the bottom tiered players.

Looks like they beat prime time this weekend. Last year they couldn’t hold a candle to a team like prime time.

Sounds good but don’t hang your hat one one game in the off-season. PT is a much different team in the summer. Top players are doing other sports in the off-season.

Gotta give credit when it's deserved. BBL 2024 & 2025 both strong teams. Someone's jelly of BBL[/quote]

Leading Edge passing BBL at 2024 as they tend to do with HS teams. Theyre playing more and against top teams as well. Tristate and Riot are interchangeable at 3.[/quote]

Sorry but watching both 2024 teams play summer and fall, there is no way LE is passing BBL. I expected them to, but LE is not improving while BBL remains strong. Overall LE is trending down now that the founder left and team 91 took over.[/quote]

I would say that is not true. The LE 24 team last year was terrible . Watching some of their games this fall, they have added a couple really good additions and seemed to get rid of some of the bottom tiered players.

Looks like they beat prime time this weekend. Last year they couldn’t hold a candle to a team like prime time.[/quote]

Sounds good but don’t hang your hat one one game in the off-season. PT is a much different team in the summer. Top players are doing other sports in the off-season.[/quote]

Yes. I would say most teams were probably missing some key players that could not go down to Florida because of High School Winter Sports, Including LE and BBL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Orlando tournament this past weekend was apparently a really impressive event. Someone I spoke to that was there said that there were easily 300+ College coaches. Seems like NJ was pretty well represented as well. Good work.

Just wondering if they were watching 2022's, 2023's and 2024's? I am assuming mostly 2023's.

23s and 24s. I witnessed one 2023 game with easily over 75 coaches on the sideline.

Another 2 commitments out of the LE program. Bucknell and UMBC. Impressive list for a team that continuously gets bashed here on the forum. Great for NJ Lacrosse as a whole.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another 2 commitments out of the LE program. Bucknell and UMBC. Impressive list for a team that continuously gets bashed here on the forum. Great for NJ Lacrosse as a whole.

Thanks LE dad. No one is really that impressed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another 2 commitments out of the LE program. Bucknell and UMBC. Impressive list for a team that continuously gets bashed here on the forum. Great for NJ Lacrosse as a whole.

A lot of clubs had more commitments in the past few weeks. LE nothing special.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another 2 commitments out of the LE program. Bucknell and UMBC. Impressive list for a team that continuously gets bashed here on the forum. Great for NJ Lacrosse as a whole.

Thanks LE dad. No one is really that impressed.

That’s right. What’s way more telling are the commitments from the kids who left the LE team because they saw the nonsense: Denver, Cornell, Maryland, Merrimack, and more to come.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another 2 commitments out of the LE program. Bucknell and UMBC. Impressive list for a team that continuously gets bashed here on the forum. Great for NJ Lacrosse as a whole.

Thanks LE dad. No one is really that impressed.

That’s right. What’s way more telling are the commitments from the kids who left the LE team because they saw the nonsense: Denver, Cornell, Maryland, Merrimack, and more to come.

Lots of talent all over NJ but very much so dispersed across clubs. Imagine they all played together in one program? A NJ team would actually be really good. It doesn’t even happen for UA anymore. Such a shame.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another 2 commitments out of the LE program. Bucknell and UMBC. Impressive list for a team that continuously gets bashed here on the forum. Great for NJ Lacrosse as a whole.

Thanks LE dad. No one is really that impressed.

That’s right. What’s way more telling are the commitments from the kids who left the LE team because they saw the nonsense: Denver, Cornell, Maryland, Merrimack, and more to come.

Lots of talent all over NJ but very much so dispersed across clubs. Imagine they all played together in one program? A NJ team would actually be really good. It doesn’t even happen for UA anymore. Such a shame.

It never really happened with UA either...the rosters are always biased towards the club controlling the team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another 2 commitments out of the LE program. Bucknell and UMBC. Impressive list for a team that continuously gets bashed here on the forum. Great for NJ Lacrosse as a whole.

Thanks LE dad. No one is really that impressed.

That’s right. What’s way more telling are the commitments from the kids who left the LE team because they saw the nonsense: Denver, Cornell, Maryland, Merrimack, and more to come.

Lots of talent all over NJ but very much so dispersed across clubs. Imagine they all played together in one program? A NJ team would actually be really good. It doesn’t even happen for UA anymore. Such a shame.

It never really happened with UA either...the rosters are always biased towards the club controlling the team

Early UA years it happened. Take a look back in the day when NJ sent really good teams down to underclassmen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another 2 commitments out of the LE program. Bucknell and UMBC. Impressive list for a team that continuously gets bashed here on the forum. Great for NJ Lacrosse as a whole.

Thanks LE dad. No one is really that impressed.

That’s right. What’s way more telling are the commitments from the kids who left the LE team because they saw the nonsense: Denver, Cornell, Maryland, Merrimack, and more to come.

Leaving LE was the best move we ever made. Total waste.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another 2 commitments out of the LE program. Bucknell and UMBC. Impressive list for a team that continuously gets bashed here on the forum. Great for NJ Lacrosse as a whole.

Thanks LE dad. No one is really that impressed.

That’s right. What’s way more telling are the commitments from the kids who left the LE team because they saw the nonsense: Denver, Cornell, Maryland, Merrimack, and more to come.

Leaving LE was the best move we ever made. Total waste.

Best program in state of NJ for HS. Other programs have very good players as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another 2 commitments out of the LE program. Bucknell and UMBC. Impressive list for a team that continuously gets bashed here on the forum. Great for NJ Lacrosse as a whole.

Thanks LE dad. No one is really that impressed.

That’s right. What’s way more telling are the commitments from the kids who left the LE team because they saw the nonsense: Denver, Cornell, Maryland, Merrimack, and more to come.

Leaving LE was the best move we ever made. Total waste.

Best program in state of NJ for HS. Other programs have very good players as well.

LE is a shell of what it was 5 years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another 2 commitments out of the LE program. Bucknell and UMBC. Impressive list for a team that continuously gets bashed here on the forum. Great for NJ Lacrosse as a whole.

Thanks LE dad. No one is really that impressed.

That’s right. What’s way more telling are the commitments from the kids who left the LE team because they saw the nonsense: Denver, Cornell, Maryland, Merrimack, and more to come.

Leaving LE was the best move we ever made. Total waste.

Best program in state of NJ for HS. Other programs have very good players as well.

LE is a shell of what it was 5 years ago.

Yes it is. They have 11 D1 commits on that 2023 team after the fall. 5 years ago that would be 15 or so maybe.

Not terrible .

Thanks LE dad. No one is really that impressed.[/quote]

That’s right. What’s way more telling are the commitments from the kids who left the LE team because they saw the nonsense: Denver, Cornell, Maryland, Merrimack, and more to come.[/quote]

Leaving LE was the best move we ever made. Total waste.[/quote]

Best program in state of NJ for HS. Other programs have very good players as well.[/quote]

LE is a shell of what it was 5 years ago.[/quote]

Yes it is. They have 11 D1 commits on that 2023 team after the fall. 5 years ago that would be 15 or so maybe.

Not terrible .[/quote]

5 years ago it would have been 20+ kids.

That’s right. What’s way more telling are the commitments from the kids who left the LE team because they saw the nonsense: Denver, Cornell, Maryland, Merrimack, and more to come.[/quote]

Leaving LE was the best move we ever made. Total waste.[/quote]

Best program in state of NJ for HS. Other programs have very good players as well.[/quote]

LE is a shell of what it was 5 years ago.[/quote]

Yes it is. They have 11 D1 commits on that 2023 team after the fall. 5 years ago that would be 15 or so maybe.

Not terrible .[/quote]

How many will actually play in college? 3-4 at most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s right. What’s way more telling are the commitments from the kids who left the LE team because they saw the nonsense: Denver, Cornell, Maryland, Merrimack, and more to come.

Leaving LE was the best move we ever made. Total waste.[/quote]

Best program in state of NJ for HS. Other programs have very good players as well.[/quote]

LE is a shell of what it was 5 years ago.[/quote]

Yes it is. They have 11 D1 commits on that 2023 team after the fall. 5 years ago that would be 15 or so maybe.

Not terrible .[/quote]

How many will actually play in college? 3-4 at most.[/quote]

Tough argument. LE probably has the most top level college contributors of any club program.

Leaving LE was the best move we ever made. Total waste.[/quote]

Best program in state of NJ for HS. Other programs have very good players as well.[/quote]

LE is a shell of what it was 5 years ago.[/quote]

Yes it is. They have 11 D1 commits on that 2023 team after the fall. 5 years ago that would be 15 or so maybe.

Not terrible .[/quote]

How many will actually play in college? 3-4 at most.[/quote]

Tough argument. LE probably has the most top level college contributors of any club program.[/quote]

Although I cannot stand Leading Edge, you are not wrong.

Has anyone heard anything about Tri-state merging with another club?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone heard anything about Tri-state merging with another club?

3Step maybe but Tri-state doesn't run any tournaments so most likely not. No reason for BBL to buy them.

Another leading edge kid to Yale? I don’t understand. There was so much talk about how weak the team was and now it seems they have 12 commits , with some really quality schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another leading edge kid to Yale? I don’t understand. There was so much talk about how weak the team was and now it seems they have 12 commits , with some really quality schools.

Why all the TM went to LE

Wrong

Someone mentioned Tri-state and towermen partnering or combining? Is that true?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone mentioned Tri-state and towermen partnering or combining? Is that true?

Just for box lax.

Yes it is. They have 11 D1 commits on that 2023 team after the fall. 5 years ago that would be 15 or so maybe.

Not terrible .[/quote]

How many will actually play in college? 3-4 at most.[/quote]

Tough argument. LE probably has the most top level college contributors of any club program.[/quote]

Although I cannot stand Leading Edge, you are not wrong.[/quote]

Comparing Jr year commits now to 5 years ago is a flawed argument. The recruiting rules changed and the timeline was pushed back. 5 years ago many programs were finished with recruiting classes before kids hit soph year of HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes it is. They have 11 D1 commits on that 2023 team after the fall. 5 years ago that would be 15 or so maybe.

Not terrible .

How many will actually play in college? 3-4 at most.[/quote]

Tough argument. LE probably has the most top level college contributors of any club program.[/quote]

Although I cannot stand Leading Edge, you are not wrong.[/quote]

Comparing Jr year commits now to 5 years ago is a flawed argument. The recruiting rules changed and the timeline was pushed back. 5 years ago many programs were finished with recruiting classes before kids hit soph year of HS.[/quote]

Agree . To have 13 commits before spring time, nowadays, is pretty good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes it is. They have 11 D1 commits on that 2023 team after the fall. 5 years ago that would be 15 or so maybe.

Not terrible .

How many will actually play in college? 3-4 at most.

Tough argument. LE probably has the most top level college contributors of any club program.[/quote]

Although I cannot stand Leading Edge, you are not wrong.[/quote]

Comparing Jr year commits now to 5 years ago is a flawed argument. The recruiting rules changed and the timeline was pushed back. 5 years ago many programs were finished with recruiting classes before kids hit soph year of HS.[/quote]

Agree . To have 13 commits before spring time, nowadays, is pretty good.[/quote]

Yes LE and Tri State are ahead of the pack here. Riot and Patriot have a few to. BBL 2023 is a little light but will have a pretty large 2024 class, as will LE and Tri State. Good look for all of NJ.

Rumor has it that BBL is losing some kids mid year ? What’s going on over there ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that BBL is losing some kids mid year ? What’s going on over there ?

Leading Edge involved in tampering again? LOL. 24 or 25 class? Only ones Edge would care about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that BBL is losing some kids mid year ? What’s going on over there ?

Leading Edge involved in tampering again? LOL. 24 or 25 class? Only ones Edge would care about.

I hope it’s not the LE 2024. There is no room now for playing time with the current team. I don’t know how they would take on more players kids would be playing one quarter a game.

I don’t believe it’s 2024.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that BBL is losing some kids mid year ? What’s going on over there ?

Leading Edge involved in tampering again? LOL. 24 or 25 class? Only ones Edge would care about.

I hope it’s not the LE 2024. There is no room now for playing time with the current team. I don’t know how they would take on more players kids would be playing one quarter a game.

2025, tough to go to school and your classmates ask you to change clubs every day. A bunch of future executives closing the deal! Their parents should be proud. If he does show up tomorrow that's a big hit to BBL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that BBL is losing some kids mid year ? What’s going on over there ?

Leading Edge involved in tampering again? LOL. 24 or 25 class? Only ones Edge would care about.

I hope it’s not the LE 2024. There is no room now for playing time with the current team. I don’t know how they would take on more players kids would be playing one quarter a game.

Leafing Edge 25 has same issue

Kids thinking "the grass is always greener" let's see how that plays out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that BBL is losing some kids mid year ? What’s going on over there ?

Leading Edge involved in tampering again? LOL. 24 or 25 class? Only ones Edge would care about.

I hope it’s not the LE 2024. There is no room now for playing time with the current team. I don’t know how they would take on more players kids would be playing one quarter a game.

If you don’t think all clubs do this… you are sadly mistaken

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that BBL is losing some kids mid year ? What’s going on over there ?

Leading Edge involved in tampering again? LOL. 24 or 25 class? Only ones Edge would care about.

I hope it’s not the LE 2024. There is no room now for playing time with the current team. I don’t know how they would take on more players kids would be playing one quarter a game.

If you don’t think all clubs do this… you are sadly mistaken

It shouldn’t be for the winter you are heading into your summer recruiting. So if it’s 2024 it’s wrong. No one has identified the year. That was my point. On the 25 level I don’t fully agree with it but I get it. I just think if you pick up 4-8 kids freshman year into sophomore you show no loyalty to your team. If the team is bad and your cleaning house I get it as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that BBL is losing some kids mid year ? What’s going on over there ?

Leading Edge involved in tampering again? LOL. 24 or 25 class? Only ones Edge would care about.

I hope it’s not the LE 2024. There is no room now for playing time with the current team. I don’t know how they would take on more players kids would be playing one quarter a game.

Leafing Edge 25 has same issue

I don't think NLF is everything but many players and parents do? CT has 3 NLF teams and LI has 2. NJ only having one is hurting NJ lacrosse, The players on the back end of LE teams would get more playing time on another team. If you are 1st tier, you are getting recruited on O2 and Blue Star and Steps so LE is not mandatory for the top tier. LE will never agree to share NLF in NJ.

LE runs an elite highschool program. That’s no secret. No surprise to me that people would leave bbl for either LE or Tri State. Track record speaks volumes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE runs an elite highschool program. That’s no secret. No surprise to me that people would leave bbl for either LE or Tri State. Track record speaks volumes.

Agreed. This sounds like a backhanded compliment but LE’s 2023 team is weak yet they still get kids recruited. If that’s your goal, then go for it. They will get it done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE runs an elite highschool program. That’s no secret. No surprise to me that people would leave bbl for either LE or Tri State. Track record speaks volumes.

Agreed. This sounds like a backhanded compliment but LE’s 2023 team is weak yet they still get kids recruited. If that’s your goal, then go for it. They will get it done.

What makes that team weak? The MD fogo? The Villanova or Brown LSM ? The Notre Dame, Bucknell, Denver Defensemen? The Yale, Lehigh, Navy, UMBC offensive guys ? The Fairfield Goalie?

They have the arguably the best Fogo, LSM , Defenseman, Attackman, and Midfielder in the class in NJ.

The amount of detest on that program is comical. Give credit when credit is due. Period.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE runs an elite highschool program. That’s no secret. No surprise to me that people would leave bbl for either LE or Tri State. Track record speaks volumes.

Agreed. This sounds like a backhanded compliment but LE’s 2023 team is weak yet they still get kids recruited. If that’s your goal, then go for it. They will get it done.

What makes that team weak? The MD fogo? The Villanova or Brown LSM ? The Notre Dame, Bucknell, Denver Defensemen? The Yale, Lehigh, Navy, UMBC offensive guys ? The Fairfield Goalie?

They have the arguably the best Fogo, LSM , Defenseman, Attackman, and Midfielder in the class in NJ.

The amount of detest on that program is comical. Give credit when credit is due. Period.

23 Riot and Tri State have just about the same numbers....everyone has caught up...that is why LE does not have 22-25 kids going D1 anymore like they did 6 or so years ago....stop overstating LE....the kids can stay at whatever club they are on nowadays and still get to the same colleges.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE runs an elite highschool program. That’s no secret. No surprise to me that people would leave bbl for either LE or Tri State. Track record speaks volumes.

Agreed. This sounds like a backhanded compliment but LE’s 2023 team is weak yet they still get kids recruited. If that’s your goal, then go for it. They will get it done.

What makes that team weak? The MD fogo? The Villanova or Brown LSM ? The Notre Dame, Bucknell, Denver Defensemen? The Yale, Lehigh, Navy, UMBC offensive guys ? The Fairfield Goalie?

They have the arguably the best Fogo, LSM , Defenseman, Attackman, and Midfielder in the class in NJ.

The amount of detest on that program is comical. Give credit when credit is due. Period.

23 Riot and Tri State have just about the same numbers....everyone has caught up...that is why LE does not have 22-25 kids going D1 anymore like they did 6 or so years ago....stop overstating LE....the kids can stay at whatever club they are on nowadays and still get to the same colleges.

All 3 programs have guys and are quality programs. That’s not the argument. I think what he is saying is that everyone just wants to bash and say how weak LE is yet they have 13+ commits and some of the best players in the state.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE runs an elite highschool program. That’s no secret. No surprise to me that people would leave bbl for either LE or Tri State. Track record speaks volumes.

Agreed. This sounds like a backhanded compliment but LE’s 2023 team is weak yet they still get kids recruited. If that’s your goal, then go for it. They will get it done.

What makes that team weak? The MD fogo? The Villanova or Brown LSM ? The Notre Dame, Bucknell, Denver Defensemen? The Yale, Lehigh, Navy, UMBC offensive guys ? The Fairfield Goalie?

They have the arguably the best Fogo, LSM , Defenseman, Attackman, and Midfielder in the class in NJ.

The amount of detest on that program is comical. Give credit when credit is due. Period.

23 Riot and Tri State have just about the same numbers....everyone has caught up...that is why LE does not have 22-25 kids going D1 anymore like they did 6 or so years ago....stop overstating LE....the kids can stay at whatever club they are on nowadays and still get to the same colleges.

All 3 programs have guys and are quality programs. That’s not the argument. I think what he is saying is that everyone just wants to bash and say how weak LE is yet they have 13+ commits and some of the best players in the state.

Okay...I see what your saying now...my kids are not LE and there is a lot of unjust detest towards them but I do think its because a post like the earlier one trying to sensationalize the schools the kids are going to....that is just my take on what I think people see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE runs an elite highschool program. That’s no secret. No surprise to me that people would leave bbl for either LE or Tri State. Track record speaks volumes.

Agreed. This sounds like a backhanded compliment but LE’s 2023 team is weak yet they still get kids recruited. If that’s your goal, then go for it. They will get it done.

What makes that team weak? The MD fogo? The Villanova or Brown LSM ? The Notre Dame, Bucknell, Denver Defensemen? The Yale, Lehigh, Navy, UMBC offensive guys ? The Fairfield Goalie?

They have the arguably the best Fogo, LSM , Defenseman, Attackman, and Midfielder in the class in NJ.

The amount of detest on that program is comical. Give credit when credit is due. Period.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]LE runs an elite highschool program. That’s no secret. No surprise to me that people would leave bbl for either LE or Tri State. Track record speaks volumes.

Agreed. This sounds like a backhanded compliment but LE’s 2023 team is weak yet they still get kids recruited. If that’s your goal, then go for it. They will get it done.

What makes that team weak? The MD fogo? The Villanova or Brown LSM ? The Notre Dame, Bucknell, Denver Defensemen? The Yale, Lehigh, Navy, UMBC offensive guys ? The Fairfield Goalie?

They have the arguably the best Fogo, LSM , Defenseman, Attackman, and Midfielder in the class in NJ.

The amount of detest on that program is comical. Give credit when credit is due. Period.

Would the bottom LE 4 to 8 players depending on year be better of on another club from a recruiting standpoint with better playing time? Maybe these players just want the best high school experience and don’t care about playing in college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]LE runs an elite highschool program. That’s no secret. No surprise to me that people would leave bbl for either LE or Tri State. Track record speaks volumes.

Agreed. This sounds like a backhanded compliment but LE’s 2023 team is weak yet they still get kids recruited. If that’s your goal, then go for it. They will get it done.

What makes that team weak? The MD fogo? The Villanova or Brown LSM ? The Notre Dame, Bucknell, Denver Defensemen? The Yale, Lehigh, Navy, UMBC offensive guys ? The Fairfield Goalie?

They have the arguably the best Fogo, LSM , Defenseman, Attackman, and Midfielder in the class in NJ.

The amount of detest on that program is comical. Give credit when credit is due. Period.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE runs an elite highschool program. That’s no secret. No surprise to me that people would leave bbl for either LE or Tri State. Track record speaks volumes.

Agreed. This sounds like a backhanded compliment but LE’s 2023 team is weak yet they still get kids recruited. If that’s your goal, then go for it. They will get it done.

What makes that team weak? The MD fogo? The Villanova or Brown LSM ? The Notre Dame, Bucknell, Denver Defensemen? The Yale, Lehigh, Navy, UMBC offensive guys ? The Fairfield Goalie?

They have the arguably the best Fogo, LSM , Defenseman, Attackman, and Midfielder in the class in NJ.

The amount of detest on that program is comical. Give credit when credit is due. Period.

Would the bottom LE 4 to 8 players depending on year be better of on another club from a recruiting standpoint with better playing time? Maybe these players just want the best high school experience and don’t care about playing in college.

Maybe. But that is probably same thing for any other program. I don’t think kids play leading edge or tri-state just for fun. If they do, that’s awesome.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE runs an elite highschool program. That’s no secret. No surprise to me that people would leave bbl for either LE or Tri State. Track record speaks volumes.

Agreed. This sounds like a backhanded compliment but LE’s 2023 team is weak yet they still get kids recruited. If that’s your goal, then go for it. They will get it done.

What makes that team weak? The MD fogo? The Villanova or Brown LSM ? The Notre Dame, Bucknell, Denver Defensemen? The Yale, Lehigh, Navy, UMBC offensive guys ? The Fairfield Goalie?

They have the arguably the best Fogo, LSM , Defenseman, Attackman, and Midfielder in the class in NJ.

The amount of detest on that program is comical. Give credit when credit is due. Period.

They are weak because they can’t play as a team. The fogo is great. ND defenseman is great. The rest you are reaching for. They are punching above their weight lass but I can’t argue that they get kids committed. Exclamation point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE runs an elite highschool program. That’s no secret. No surprise to me that people would leave bbl for either LE or Tri State. Track record speaks volumes.

Agreed. This sounds like a backhanded compliment but LE’s 2023 team is weak yet they still get kids recruited. If that’s your goal, then go for it. They will get it done.

What makes that team weak? The MD fogo? The Villanova or Brown LSM ? The Notre Dame, Bucknell, Denver Defensemen? The Yale, Lehigh, Navy, UMBC offensive guys ? The Fairfield Goalie?

They have the arguably the best Fogo, LSM , Defenseman, Attackman, and Midfielder in the class in NJ.

The amount of detest on that program is comical. Give credit when credit is due. Period.

They are weak because they can’t play as a team. The fogo is great. ND defenseman is great. The rest you are reaching for. They are punching above their weight lass but I can’t argue that they get kids committed. Exclamation point.

It's travel lacrosse, the goal is to get committed. High school is for playing like a team.

What makes that team weak? The MD fogo? The Villanova or Brown LSM ? The Notre Dame, Bucknell, Denver Defensemen? The Yale, Lehigh, Navy, UMBC offensive guys ? The Fairfield Goalie?

They have the arguably the best Fogo, LSM , Defenseman, Attackman, and Midfielder in the class in NJ.

The amount of detest on that program is comical. Give credit when credit is due. Period.[/quote]

They are weak because they can’t play as a team. The fogo is great. ND defenseman is great. The rest you are reaching for. They are punching above their weight lass but I can’t argue that they get kids committed. Exclamation point.[/quote]

NJ programs would DIE for a starting lineup like they have.

The Villanova LSM and Brown LSM are top tier recruits. Navy Attackman and Yale Midfielder are top recruits.

You clearly have something against the program just like 90% of the other people here on the forum.

What makes that team weak? The MD fogo? The Villanova or Brown LSM ? The Notre Dame, Bucknell, Denver Defensemen? The Yale, Lehigh, Navy, UMBC offensive guys ? The Fairfield Goalie?

They have the arguably the best Fogo, LSM , Defenseman, Attackman, and Midfielder in the class in NJ.

The amount of detest on that program is comical. Give credit when credit is due. Period.[/quote]

They are weak because they can’t play as a team. The fogo is great. ND defenseman is great. The rest you are reaching for. They are punching above their weight lass but I can’t argue that they get kids committed. Exclamation point.[/quote]
It's travel lacrosse, the goal is to get committed. High school is for playing like a team.[/quote]

Agreed. Tillman and Petro are not showing up to little Jimmy's High-School game in NJ in the Spring to watch him play.

Another LE 23 to Hofstra?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another LE 23 to Hofstra?

I saw that as well. They have 13-14 kids committed at this point. The LE haters need to commence! How can this be!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another LE 23 to Hofstra?

I saw that as well. They have 13-14 kids committed at this point. The LE haters need to commence! How can this be!!

1883 every player on the team would be committed.. they are even close to the program they were.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another LE 23 to Hofstra?

I saw that as well. They have 13-14 kids committed at this point. The LE haters need to commence! How can this be!!

1883 every player on the team would be committed.. they are even close to the program they were.

1883 is a long time ago.

Only a few club teams and showcases back then. A much simpler time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another LE 23 to Hofstra?

I saw that as well. They have 13-14 kids committed at this point. The LE haters need to commence! How can this be!!

It’s rather amazing considering…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes that team weak? The MD fogo? The Villanova or Brown LSM ? The Notre Dame, Bucknell, Denver Defensemen? The Yale, Lehigh, Navy, UMBC offensive guys ? The Fairfield Goalie?

They have the arguably the best Fogo, LSM , Defenseman, Attackman, and Midfielder in the class in NJ.

The amount of detest on that program is comical. Give credit when credit is due. Period.

They are weak because they can’t play as a team. The fogo is great. ND defenseman is great. The rest you are reaching for. They are punching above their weight lass but I can’t argue that they get kids committed. Exclamation point.[/quote]
It's travel lacrosse, the goal is to get committed. High school is for playing like a team.[/quote]

Agreed. Tillman and Petro are not showing up to little Jimmy's High-School game in NJ in the Spring to watch him play.[/quote]

If your goal is just to get committed, you’re missing the point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes that team weak? The MD fogo? The Villanova or Brown LSM ? The Notre Dame, Bucknell, Denver Defensemen? The Yale, Lehigh, Navy, UMBC offensive guys ? The Fairfield Goalie?

They have the arguably the best Fogo, LSM , Defenseman, Attackman, and Midfielder in the class in NJ.

The amount of detest on that program is comical. Give credit when credit is due. Period.

They are weak because they can’t play as a team. The fogo is great. ND defenseman is great. The rest you are reaching for. They are punching above their weight lass but I can’t argue that they get kids committed. Exclamation point.

It's travel lacrosse, the goal is to get committed. High school is for playing like a team.[/quote]

Agreed. Tillman and Petro are not showing up to little Jimmy's High-School game in NJ in the Spring to watch him play.[/quote]

If your goal is just to get committed, you’re missing the point.[/quote]
Said by a parent of a 2025 or younger. It's 100% the point, if it wasn't we would all save time by sending kids to position coaches and wait for college coaches to show up to the high school games like football.

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They are weak because they can’t play as a team. The fogo is great. ND defenseman is great. The rest you are reaching for. They are punching above their weight lass but I can’t argue that they get kids committed. Exclamation point.[/quote]
It's travel lacrosse, the goal is to get committed. High school is for playing like a team.[/quote]

Agreed. Tillman and Petro are not showing up to little Jimmy's High-School game in NJ in the Spring to watch him play.[/quote]

If your goal is just to get committed, you’re missing the point.[/quote]
Said by a parent of a 2025 or younger. It's 100% the point, if it wasn't we would all save time by sending kids to position coaches and wait for college coaches to show up to the high school games like football.[/quote]

I just hope both teams have fun and everyone gets a medal at the end of the game. Yay.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that BBL is losing some kids mid year ? What’s going on over there ?

Leading Edge involved in tampering again? LOL. 24 or 25 class? Only ones Edge would care about.

I hope it’s not the LE 2024. There is no room now for playing time with the current team. I don’t know how they would take on more players kids would be playing one quarter a game.

2025, tough to go to school and your classmates ask you to change clubs every day. A bunch of future executives closing the deal! Their parents should be proud. If he does show up tomorrow that's a big hit to BBL.

LE took another 2025 BBL player? Is that 2 of their top 3?

Leading Edge involved in tampering again? LOL. 24 or 25 class? Only ones Edge would care about.[/quote]

I hope it’s not the LE 2024. There is no room now for playing time with the current team. I don’t know how they would take on more players kids would be playing one quarter a game.[/quote]
2025, tough to go to school and your classmates ask you to change clubs every day. A bunch of future executives closing the deal! Their parents should be proud. If he does show up tomorrow that's a big hit to BBL.[/quote]
LE took another 2025 BBL player? Is that 2 of their top 3?[/quote]

Another 2025 left BBL.

This is not related to the fact that the LE guy is now coaching Chatham but are they going to be top twenty this year? What club teams do they have kids from? I know we are about to switch over to the HS forum very soon but I was just curious. SHP, BOSCO, Mountain Lakes and Summit all have a pretty large mix of club kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is not related to the fact that the LE guy is now coaching Chatham but are they going to be top twenty this year? What club teams do they have kids from? I know we are about to switch over to the HS forum very soon but I was just curious. SHP, BOSCO, Mountain Lakes and Summit all have a pretty large mix of club kids.

Different from steps how ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge involved in tampering again? LOL. 24 or 25 class? Only ones Edge would care about.

I hope it’s not the LE 2024. There is no room now for playing time with the current team. I don’t know how they would take on more players kids would be playing one quarter a game.[/quote]
2025, tough to go to school and your classmates ask you to change clubs every day. A bunch of future executives closing the deal! Their parents should be proud. If he does show up tomorrow that's a big hit to BBL.[/quote]
LE took another 2025 BBL player? Is that 2 of their top 3?[/quote]

Another 2025 left BBL.[/quote]
2 of their top 3??? Not likely

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is not related to the fact that the LE guy is now coaching Chatham but are they going to be top twenty this year? What club teams do they have kids from? I know we are about to switch over to the HS forum very soon but I was just curious. SHP, BOSCO, Mountain Lakes and Summit all have a pretty large mix of club kids.

I know they have a few LE kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is not related to the fact that the LE guy is now coaching Chatham but are they going to be top twenty this year? What club teams do they have kids from? I know we are about to switch over to the HS forum very soon but I was just curious. SHP, BOSCO, Mountain Lakes and Summit all have a pretty large mix of club kids.

I know they have a few LE kids.

Delbarton kids are moving to LE. Not sure if it's a coach or the kids that are doing the recruiting. Regardless, it's got to hurt BBL to lose kids when kids get into high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is not related to the fact that the LE guy is now coaching Chatham but are they going to be top twenty this year? What club teams do they have kids from? I know we are about to switch over to the HS forum very soon but I was just curious. SHP, BOSCO, Mountain Lakes and Summit all have a pretty large mix of club kids.

I know they have a few LE kids.

Delbarton kids are moving to LE. Not sure if it's a coach or the kids that are doing the recruiting. Regardless, it's got to hurt BBL to lose kids when kids get into high school.

I think his question was about Chatham...not LE, BBL or Delbarton.

I heard there are a lot of good lax players going to SHP from various towns.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes that team weak? The MD fogo? The Villanova or Brown LSM ? The Notre Dame, Bucknell, Denver Defensemen? The Yale, Lehigh, Navy, UMBC offensive guys ? The Fairfield Goalie?

They have the arguably the best Fogo, LSM , Defenseman, Attackman, and Midfielder in the class in NJ.

The amount of detest on that program is comical. Give credit when credit is due. Period.

They are weak because they can’t play as a team. The fogo is great. ND defenseman is great. The rest you are reaching for. They are punching above their weight lass but I can’t argue that they get kids committed. Exclamation point.

It's travel lacrosse, the goal is to get committed. High school is for playing like a team.

Agreed. Tillman and Petro are not showing up to little Jimmy's High-School game in NJ in the Spring to watch him play.[/quote]

If your goal is just to get committed, you’re missing the point.[/quote]
Said by a parent of a 2025 or younger. It's 100% the point, if it wasn't we would all save time by sending kids to position coaches and wait for college coaches to show up to the high school games like football.[/quote]

I feel sorry for your kid. Good luck. Hope he’s okay in 6 years.

If your goal is just to get committed, you’re missing the point.[/quote]
Said by a parent of a 2025 or younger. It's 100% the point, if it wasn't we would all save time by sending kids to position coaches and wait for college coaches to show up to the high school games like football.[/quote]

I feel sorry for your kid. Good luck. Hope he’s okay in 6 years.[/quote]
Educate me if you feel sorry for my kid.. maybe you can save him!

Chatham going to have a down couple of years I would assume. Not much to do with the new coach, more so because of the lack of returning guys.

This was posted on one of the other forums. Its not perfect as I agree with some of it and disagree with some of it but figured it has some benefits.

Boys Recruiting Thoughts and Help for the Masses

I posted this in the “Boys High School Lacrosse” forum but I am posting this in the 23’s, 24’s, 25s. since they will be affected most by recruiting just to try and generate more conversation as I am curious to other's thoughts

I apologize ahead of time as this is a VERY VERY long post so I left a TL;DR summary at the top. There are also likely errors in this so I welcome any corrections. I also suspect these thoughts may hold true for the girl’s game but I don’t know anything about girl’s recruiting. Yes, I have too much time on my hands now the kids have moved on.

I am posting this as anonymous – I’m not notIntelligent (haha). This may generate a lot of thoughts, positive or negative but the point is to get a discussion going because I find there is very little actual recruiting help on these forums. I am sure many of the replies will be “bitter parent” “Ok Rebel Parent” or “team91 parent” or “Stunad” or “legacy dad” or “your kid graduated, why are you still on these forums you creeper”, etc. This is just one person’s opinion as someone who has gone through it (kid was a middie, on-age who ended up in a good D3 school) but had some D1 looks / offers so maybe this can be used to help others (or maybe I’m a coach……..). If you feel the need to comment, try to post something constructive. If you don’t like the post; scroll on by.

You may agree with 0%, 50% or 90% of it. It is important to note that these are just generalizations on a Bell Curve; there are always exceptions to the rules: there are some who got recruited way above their pay class and there also talented people who fell far in recruitment. This should apply to most but there are definitely outliers where people have forged their own paths. Tell us your stories!

For those whom this is TL;DR

1) Talent and connections trump everything, which leads into…
2) … being realistic about your kid’s ability as many parents cannot be “objective”
3) Be cognizant of how much you are projecting your own hopes and dreams onto your kid – don’t be that parent.
4) Some of you feel like you are running on a “Hamster Wheel” when it comes to recruiting. Find out what “Hamster Wheel” you want to be on – don’t be afraid to change wheels midstream
5) Have “fun” – but to be perfectly honest, if you are at the level where you are hoping to be recruited, I am not going to sit here and say having fun is the only thing that matters because that is BS. That being said, having fun is still important whether it be lacrosse, long road trips with your kids, having a meal with them, visiting colleges – all are fun.
6) Whatever college or trade school you kid ends up in, it will be perfectly OK in the end
7) Don’t believe what everyone tells you (including me). What may have worked for someone else may not work for you as I can guarantee you kid is so very different from everyone else.
8) Lacrosse is finite – don’t make short term decisions with long term consequences. It is Ok to sacrifice saying “my kid got into a low D1 school with poor academics” just for the sake of being D1. It will be better in the long run to apply to a better academic D1 school that has club, the MCLA’s or better academic D3 schools

Soooo, moving on these are the factors that I think of importance (from most to least) to get recruited:

1) Talent – trumps all – if your kid is already a superstar, most of this does not apply to you. If he/she don’t have as much talent, try to be realistic about their high level D1 / D3 dreams. Be very realistic about how your own child grades out. You may think they are superstar but if they haven’t competed on the national stage where the competition is the best, you cannot really know how good your kid is, even if everyone tells you they are the best. Be as objective as possible; rate your kid on a 100 point scale. Most players who are 93+ have a decent chance at a high D1/D3 school. Anything below that, it is going to be more difficult to get into the top schools and don’t punch way above you kid’s weight class when it comes to recruiting as it will lead to disappointment. However, there really is a lock for every key and if your kid really wants to play lacrosse, there are 400+ schools out there to play at. If you don’t have connections or talent, you will have to market the garbage out of yourself – go to showcases, prospect days, make good videos, email (the appropriate amount), sign up for recruiting services. But honestly, most of those all have minimal impact unless you have the connections but it’s all you got at that point.
2) Connections (High / Prep School or Club) – my kid went to several prospect days for schools as well as sent several emails to schools and he never heard a peep from any of them until a coach reached out on his behalf. I truly believe that this is the most important beyond talent. Coaches at all levels are getting hundreds of videos and thousands of email. They simply do not have the time to review them all or even open them. Having a coach call or email, allows you to jump to the top of the food chain (think Chutes and Ladders).
3) Grades – how could I leave this out in the original post! If you don’t have the grades, you aren’t getting into an elite school. Sports will help somewhat but you do have to have some sort of baseline decent grades.
4) Your kid’s High School prestige – there is line somewhere that separates the elite schools for lacrosse from the run-of-the-mill lacrosse high schools. If you are below that line, unless there is an individual connection, your chances of an elite D1/D3 school are slim to none without that connection. That being said, your high school play is still very important for recruiting for the other D1/D2/D3 schools because it is your high school coach that knows you best.
5) Your kid’s Club – same facts hold true as it does (#3) high school. I often get asked what club team should I chose. Do not balk at driving distance as a barrier. Sometimes you will have to drive far to get to a better club. To be honest, I would choose the best, highest ranked club because they play in the best tournaments (NAL, NLF, Crabfeast and Naptown, Great8) and try and get on their A squad at as young an age as possible. That way the club knows your child over time and will go to bat for you eventually. In addition, if you don’t make the top team, it gives you a chance to: work your way up to the A team or look for another club that may suit you better. That brings up the topic of A vs B. In reality, most B teams are not sending players to top D1/D3 schools (some are but that is not the norm). If being at a top lax school is not your goal then A vs B doesn’t matter as much because plenty of B players play college lacrosse. My kid was on a team that did not think much about his game. He was at a small local club and so he made the jump to a national club. He started on their C team and worked his way up to started on the top team so it is possible. Finally, understand these clubs are in the MONEY MAKING business as most are for-profit. They will sell you a bridge to nowhere as long as they get your tuition checks. Here is how I break them down:
a. Some are outright frauds. They don’t care and they just want your money
b. Some put together some half -hearted attempts at recruiting – they go through the motions but are not really making phone calls on your kids behalf
c. Others really only promote their best players. These are also fraudulent as they put all their time and effort into marketing their best players only, while the rest remain tution check to support those best players.
d. Finally, there are some truly excellent programs who will do their best to place a kid anywhere whether it be the best D1 program to the worst D3 program.
e. I would be remiss if I didn’t mention National teams and National tournaments – on paper, it is a very good idea but part of me says there is a money grab aspect. You can even see multiple clubs joining together to make national team (eg CLCA). I think it is the next evolution and I would not be surprised if National tournaments become the norm with local tournaments still existing but becoming second fiddle.
Coaches will tell you they will help you with recruiting but the reality is they do not want to put their name out there to back you if there is a lacrosse:talent mismatch. So if your Johnny rates as an 80, don’t ask your coach to get you into Syracuse because they won’t do it. It is a shame that some clubs promise you the world but don’t help you even though are paying $2000-4000 for your club; for them to not help you is just fraudulent. How to tell if a club is real or not? Look at their website. A good one would post a list of ALL their commits, not just the ones who get into top D1 schools which usually means they had a favorite player. Look at their social media. Are all of their posts only about 1-5 of their top kids? Finally, word of mouth – talk to the older kids and kids who have moved through the program; not the superstars but the average ones who had college lax dreams.
6) Prospect Days – this is the best way to get in front of a school on an individual basis. However, many of these are pure money grabs. We have been to several where no one was filming, coaches had no paper or they were not writing anything down. Clearly no evaluation was going on. It does allow you to get in front of the coaches and look at the campus. But I am somewhat cynical because if you were not already on their radar, a coach didn’t send you, or you were not invited, it is unlikely to be helpful.
7) Showcases- There are so many showcases out there. Many of them are money grabs and really garbage showcases. How do you know what is a good showcase? I wish I knew the answer to that but I can say that if the showcase has a good list of head coaches then it is going to be pretty good. If the communication is pretty good, then that is also a good sign. I will throw it out there and say good ones are Showtime, The Players Series, Spotlight, ECD, Lacrosse Masters, Main Stage, NXT Fall, The Show, Juniors Open, Main Stage. Then there are the average showcases (3D, adrenaline, my lacrosse tournaments, Elite 100, Elite 180, GFW, Q4, Victory, Maryland Showcase). UA and National All Star Games are very good but very political. 1%, FiveStar and Apex are very heavily marketed but have found them to be more glitz than substance. What is important to know is nobody is going to be “discovered” at most of these so do not think your kid is going to show up and “kill it” and get recruited by Duke. Coaches usually have a list of players they are there to see and if the kid does well, then they reach out. Finally, no one cares about wins and losses at showcase so don’t be that parent.
8) Recruiting video – coaches are getting hundreds of video so they may never even open your video or emails. That being said, video is still 100% necessary in this day and age of recruiting. If they do open it, you want your intro to be brief and you want to front load your 5-star highlights. Some say don’t use music; my feeling is they can always mute it. Try to film your own video even though it is a pain in the arse. Much of the paid tournament videos offered are expensive and very poor quality. It is a pain in the butt to film your own highlight video but you will have a much higher quality video that is zoomed in appropriately. Iphone and imovie work perfectly fine or invest in a cheap HD camcorder. Some of the biggest mistakes I’ve seen: inappropriate offensive music, not zooming in on your child, including highlights that aren’t highlights, not highlighting /circling your player in the video (you know your kid so it’s easy to pick out for you but most coaches, it’s pretty hard to pick up to the player in that 4 second clip). Some say, don’t make it longer than 2 minutes; my feeling is most coaches aren’t watching past 1 minute (if they open it) and if you give a 6 minute highlight video they can always just shut it off.
9) Position – kids are specializing more and more (SSDM, FOGO, LSM and goalies). If you are really good at your position, you stand a very good chance. If you are mediocre, you better show that you can do other things. At the Prospect Days, I have noticed more and more defenders and less middies which stinks for defense, that stinks because I think that is also the hardest position to get recruited at. Goalies always fill first so get in early. If you are not looking high level, none of this is as important
10) Recruiting profiles (NCSA, SportsRecruit, ConnectLax, CaptainU) – these are likely only helpful for the mid-lower Tier D1, D2, D3 schools. The top schools will not or do not use these services – they do everything through connections.

Additional comments, myths and facts?

1. I am assuming that most people “try to punch up” with their recruiting (ie they will try and overachieve with their lacrosse ambitions) so be patient, be realistic and don’t be disappointed. There is a “lock for every key” as there are over 400 lacrosse colleges. If you really want to play lacrosse, you will find a school.
2. Re-class – there is so much detest on this forum about re-classed players. Unfortunately, it is here to stay until colleges and clubs change their mind (USA Lacrosse has zero ability or desire to change this). Colleges and clubs don’t want to change because they want the most mature and physically gifted players so they could care less that your kid is on-age. Some kids re-class for legit reasons (maturity, academics). But some also re-class to try and get into a better school. IMHO, re-classing is destroying the sport but it’s here to stay. It is completely unfair but totally within the rules. Why on earth would someone re-class for lacrosse reasons only is beyond me. I can’t imagine how dominant my kid would have been if he was going against kids 1 -3 years younger.
3. Lacrosse players are not getting a full scholarship: Full scholarships are uncommon and most will only get a very small amount of money
4. Lacrosse is finite: I think lacrosse carries on forever whether it be a playing in beer league, coaching, raising your own kid, etc. But in terms of a career, very few people go on to make a living out of playing lacrosse. Lacrosse has a finite end and for some it ends after high school; some after college. Don’t make short term decision with long term consequences
5. Commit vs Preferred-Walk-on vs Walk-on – I know very little about this. All I can say is that if you are a preferred walk-on you are on the team but you don’t always travel. If you tryout and walk-on (not preferred), there are generally very little chances or spots at the high collegiate level but probably plenty at the lower caliber schools
6. Prep vs Private vs Catholic – depends what part of the country you live. Not all preps are lacrosse powerhouses nor are all catholic schools. There are a few public schools that carry a lot of weight but chances are your high school does not; you will know
7. PG – from what I have been told, do not PG unless it is arranged ahead of time with a college who specifically said you should PG. There are plenty of PG’s who PG but do so without a college talking to them. There are even PG schools out there. They still eventually get into lacrosse schools but it usually is not a step up to playing for Duke / Virginia / Syracuse / Yale etc. That being said, some need to PG for academic and maturity reasons.
8. How often should I email a coach – I believe coaches are getting hundreds of emails. Chances are, they are not going to read or even open your email (at least at the high D1 or high D3 level). That being said – maybe once a month and always have some sort of update whether it being lacrosse or academic.
9. Don’t be that lacrosse dad or mom. Honestly, be quiet. Don’t coach your son on the field. Don’t yell “wheels” “ward” “offsides” and ride the refs. Coaches do actually notice this. They don’t care so much at the collegiate level because they can limit the parent’s sphere of influence but somewhere in the back of their mind, they are wondering if the apple doesn’t fall from the tree when they are recruiting. No one cares that you were once a superstar or failed athlete. Everyone can see you are projecting who you once were or wanted to be onto your child
10. The Grass is Not Always Greener (See Clubs above) – it’s OK to be a club hopper – we jumped clubs and it worked out for the better but it doesn’t always. Just make sure you are doing it because there are faults with the club and not faults with you or your kid. Most parents cannot tell the difference sadly. If you do go club hopping, make sure you latch on to one before high school because making the change after high school is very difficult
11. The New England region and Long Island used to be center of the lacrosse universe. That is no longer the case. I believe it is currently the MidAtlantic (re-class) but areas such as the South (Fl, GA, TX), Midwest (Il, MI) and West (CA, CO) are producing amazing players along with New England and LI still being very good
12. D1 vs D2 vs D3
a. D1 – I think a lot of kids can play D1 as there are some D1 schools that are not as competitive out there and would be happy to take all sorts of talent. The only thing I would advise is don’t go D1 for the sake of going D1. D1 is also a full time job so they have to juggle academics with their lacrosse.
b. D2 – they do offer scholarships. Some are great schools and great lacrosse programs but academically I have found they are not as good as some of the D1 and D3 schools
c. D3 – I do not believe they offer sport scholarships but will offer other scholarships. Even though D1 is a full time job, D3 is also very busy especially in the spring. The main difference is the 20 hours in the fall that D1 has that D3 does not but D3 still practices in the fall. D3 probably has the largest cohort of schools from incredibly competitive to very mediocre.
d. MCLA – do not overlook these schools. Some are top academic institutions (Stanford, Rice, GaTech, etc)
e. Club lacrosse – also do not overlook this. Totally OK.

Timeline – don’t get sad if all your friends commit on 9/1 of their junior year. D3 doesn’t make offers until later and sometimes D1 makes commitments as late as December of your senior year. Patience, young grasshopper.
1) D1 - You cannot be contacted by anyone for recruiting until September 1 of your junior year. That being said, they can reach out to you with camps and prospect days but not personally. Now obviously kids who verbally commit on 9/1 must have had some contacts with the colleges but most of it is through high school / clubs
2) D2 – June 15 after the sophomore year
3) D3 – I believe they can talk at any time but some of the NESCACs adopt D1 rules. D3 offers do not go out until June (or July?) 1 after their junior year

Choosing a school: it will be a multitude of factors but this is what I think plays into it (in no order)

1) Academics – imho, don’t sacrifice this for lacrosse, but that being said, you will probably be fine at any school depending on what you make out of it
2) D1 vs D2 vs D3 – similar to above – don’t get caught up on the D1 Hamster Wheel – plenty of good options out there
3) Starter vs bench – some kids just want to be part of a process; some need to be the superstar. Find out where your kid is and if you are realistic, it may open doors and don’t shoot for the stars, it may open up a lot of schools.
4) Conference they play in and level of competition
5) Money – it matters. There are some very rich people on these forums who don’t realize that. That being said, most are not getting full sports scholarships.
6) Coaches and their coaching philosophy – this has to be the right fit
7) Lacrosse is finite – don’t choose a school because of a lacrosse

Well I am sure I left a lot out. Let the detest begin (haha). But seriously, try and help out your fellow lax members with something constructive. Everyone enjoy the ride though. It was great for me, my wife and all our kids.

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Jacksonville beat Duke today and Virginia only beat High Point by one goal. A lot of parity in the top 40 for all you people to think about and who only want your kid to go to a big program. There are a lot of decent programs out there nowadays.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jacksonville beat Duke today and Virginia only beat High Point by one goal. A lot of parity in the top 40 for all you people to think about and who only want your kid to go to a big program. There are a lot of decent programs out there nowadays.

Duke and UVA are at a different level academically.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jacksonville beat Duke today and Virginia only beat High Point by one goal. A lot of parity in the top 40 for all you people to think about and who only want your kid to go to a big program. There are a lot of decent programs out there nowadays.

Duke and UVA are at a different level academically.

Not the original poster but over 50% of Mens college lax kids are business majors. Big business can’t even keep their employees. Any “good kid” with a degree and a connection can get a job. Unless your going for engineering, PT, law or pre med it doesn’t matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jacksonville beat Duke today and Virginia only beat High Point by one goal. A lot of parity in the top 40 for all you people to think about and who only want your kid to go to a big program. There are a lot of decent programs out there nowadays.

Duke and UVA are at a different level academically.

Not the original poster but over 50% of Mens college lax kids are business majors. Big business can’t even keep their employees. Any “good kid” with a degree and a connection can get a job. Unless your going for engineering, PT, law or pre med it doesn’t matter.

So you are saying a kid should turn down Duke for playing time at Jacksonville because they are all going to get a job. densest thing I've seen posted in years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jacksonville beat Duke today and Virginia only beat High Point by one goal. A lot of parity in the top 40 for all you people to think about and who only want your kid to go to a big program. There are a lot of decent programs out there nowadays.

Duke and UVA are at a different level academically.

Not the original poster but over 50% of Mens college lax kids are business majors. Big business can’t even keep their employees. Any “good kid” with a degree and a connection can get a job. Unless your going for engineering, PT, law or pre med it doesn’t matter.

So you are saying a kid should turn down Duke for playing time at Jacksonville because they are all going to get a job. densest thing I've seen posted in years.

My point is anyone can get a job. How many kids from NJ are at Duke right now? 3 maybe. Do they play? What is their career gonna be when they get out. Work in the citi or be a financial planner in their hometown? You do not need Duke or UVA for either. All the NYC jobs sends them for an MBA anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jacksonville beat Duke today and Virginia only beat High Point by one goal. A lot of parity in the top 40 for all you people to think about and who only want your kid to go to a big program. There are a lot of decent programs out there nowadays.

Duke and UVA are at a different level academically.

Not the original poster but over 50% of Mens college lax kids are business majors. Big business can’t even keep their employees. Any “good kid” with a degree and a connection can get a job. Unless your going for engineering, PT, law or pre med it doesn’t matter.

So you are saying a kid should turn down Duke for playing time at Jacksonville because they are all going to get a job. densest thing I've seen posted in years.

My point is anyone can get a job. How many kids from NJ are at Duke right now? 3 maybe. Do they play? What is their career gonna be when they get out. Work in the citi or be a financial planner in their hometown? You do not need Duke or UVA for either. All the NYC jobs sends them for an MBA anyway.

I somewhat agree with this dude….my sister is a Sr. Recruiter for a large Fortune 500 company…..she said they don’t care about what college they applicant comes out of…except Villanova which is where she graduated from….she said they all favor the schools they graduated from.

What are your thoughts on Seaton Hall Prep vs a public like Chatham or Summit?

Also, do kids have to play club lax to get recruited?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are your thoughts on Seaton Hall Prep vs a public like Chatham or Summit?

Also, do kids have to play club lax to get recruited?

Seton hall is correct spelling. I assume this a player posting. If you are not one of the best players on your town team then it will be hard to get playing time at a school like SHP. Not uncommon for 40+ kids to tryout for the freshmen team. Summit can beat and has beaten SHP in recent years. Chatham hasn’t beaten them recently if my memory serves me correctly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are your thoughts on Seaton Hall Prep vs a public like Chatham or Summit?

Also, do kids have to play club lax to get recruited?

Seton hall is correct spelling. I assume this a player posting. If you are not one of the best players on your town team then it will be hard to get playing time at a school like SHP. Not uncommon for 40+ kids to tryout for the freshmen team. Summit can beat and has beaten SHP in recent years. Chatham hasn’t beaten them recently if my memory serves me correctly.

And yes, play club lax if you want to get recruited because summer is when college coaches see players in action.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are your thoughts on Seaton Hall Prep vs a public like Chatham or Summit?

Also, do kids have to play club lax to get recruited?

Seton hall is correct spelling. I assume this a player posting. If you are not one of the best players on your town team then it will be hard to get playing time at a school like SHP. Not uncommon for 40+ kids to tryout for the freshmen team. Summit can beat and has beaten SHP in recent years. Chatham hasn’t beaten them recently if my memory serves me correctly.

And yes, play club lax if you want to get recruited because summer is when college coaches see players in action.

I agree and disagree with this response. Chatham and Summit are awesome programs. Fine to play play public if you are a higher 3 star plus player and your local public school is not top 25 in lacrosse.

The top 25 schools allow you to have more reps against better players in practice. Iron sharpens iron is overused in lacrosse but accurate here.

It will be interesting to see if private will lose some recruits because there is no more TOC. You can win your group and be happy with no TOC.

Has anyone here done a tournament with Brady’s Bunch Lacrosse and if so how was your experience? Seems like an awesome cause but I heard rosters can be really big. Thanks!

My son played with the Bunch a few times and had a great experience

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jacksonville beat Duke today and Virginia only beat High Point by one goal. A lot of parity in the top 40 for all you people to think about and who only want your kid to go to a big program. There are a lot of decent programs out there nowadays.

Adding to this craziness is that Penn State lost to St. Joe’s and Hobart beat Lehigh.

Any teams have supplemental tryouts?
Tri-state does for their World Series team and also 2026 and under. https://tristate.leagueapps.com/events/2814021-tri-state-spring--summer-all-star-2022-tryouts

Does have any info on Tristate 2025/2026? Do they have a team this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does have any info on Tristate 2025/2026? Do they have a team this year?

They should have two different teams.

The early NLF is this weekend, any other tourneys this weekend for the NJ Clubs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The early NLF is this weekend, any other tourneys this weekend for the NJ Clubs?

Early NLF is a shadow of itself. 4 years ago it was outstanding, this year 4 to 6 teams at each age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The early NLF is this weekend, any other tourneys this weekend for the NJ Clubs?

Early NLF is a shadow of itself. 4 years ago it was outstanding, this year 4 to 6 teams at each age.

Any tournament that black balls a team (Tmen) out of another team’s fear (LE) of losing to them, is a weak tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The early NLF is this weekend, any other tourneys this weekend for the NJ Clubs?

Early NLF is a shadow of itself. 4 years ago it was outstanding, this year 4 to 6 teams at each age.

I agree its pretty sad. People don't even want to go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The early NLF is this weekend, any other tourneys this weekend for the NJ Clubs?

BBL Shore 2031 thru 2027 is heading to Albany for Summer Clash this weekend.

What other 2031 teams are there in central NJ this summer? Seams like most clubs struggle to pull together 3rd and 4th grade teams these days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The early NLF is this weekend, any other tourneys this weekend for the NJ Clubs?

Early NLF is a shadow of itself. 4 years ago it was outstanding, this year 4 to 6 teams at each age.

Any tournament that black balls a team (Tmen) out of another team’s fear (LE) of losing to them, is a weak tournament.

True story

Playing in the NLF is just not important anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The early NLF is this weekend, any other tourneys this weekend for the NJ Clubs?

Early NLF is a shadow of itself. 4 years ago it was outstanding, this year 4 to 6 teams at each age.

Any tournament that black balls a team (Tmen) out of another team’s fear (LE) of losing to them, is a weak tournament.

Tmen should have called and complained like they did when they didn’t qualify for WS. It got them in then, it could have helped now as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The early NLF is this weekend, any other tourneys this weekend for the NJ Clubs?

Early NLF is a shadow of itself. 4 years ago it was outstanding, this year 4 to 6 teams at each age.

Any tournament that black balls a team (Tmen) out of another team’s fear (LE) of losing to them, is a weak tournament.

Tmen should have called and complained like they did when they didn’t qualify for WS. It got them in then, it could have helped now as well.

Ha! Still some sour grapes left over from last summer. Hilarious. Sounds like you got beat.

Tmen should have called and complained like they did when they didn’t qualify for WS. It got them in then, it could have helped now as well.[/quote]

LE breaks the Twmen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tmen should have called and complained like they did when they didn’t qualify for WS. It got them in then, it could have helped now as well.

LE breaks the Twmen[/quote]

Hopefully they get a chance to play each other this summer. Should be a good match up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The early NLF is this weekend, any other tourneys this weekend for the NJ Clubs?

Early NLF is a shadow of itself. 4 years ago it was outstanding, this year 4 to 6 teams at each age.

Any tournament that black balls a team (Tmen) out of another team’s fear (LE) of losing to them, is a weak tournament.

NLF will never let another NJ team in, it's part of the NLF bylaws. 2021 Mad Dog tried to enter an NLF event years ago under one of the CA NLF teams that wasn't going and got kicked out.
Middle school lacrosse means something to you but at the end of the day most of the good Tmen will end up playing for LE in High School. They do it to every other team in NJ. That said LE isn't for everyone and you don't need them to play in college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tmen should have called and complained like they did when they didn’t qualify for WS. It got them in then, it could have helped now as well.

LE breaks the Twmen

Hopefully they get a chance to play each other this summer. Should be a good match up.[/quote]
It will never happen unless it's the playoffs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The early NLF is this weekend, any other tourneys this weekend for the NJ Clubs?

Early NLF is a shadow of itself. 4 years ago it was outstanding, this year 4 to 6 teams at each age.

Any tournament that black balls a team (Tmen) out of another team’s fear (LE) of losing to them, is a weak tournament.

NLF will never let another NJ team in, it's part of the NLF bylaws. 2021 Mad Dog tried to enter an NLF event years ago under one of the CA NLF teams that wasn't going and got kicked out.
Middle school lacrosse means something to you but at the end of the day most of the good Tmen will end up playing for LE in High School. They do it to every other team in NJ. That said LE isn't for everyone and you don't need them to play in college.

You know nothing about Tmen obviously. The majority of the top 13-16 players on this team will very likely stay intact thru HS. No way to be sure so let’s revisit in 3 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The early NLF is this weekend, any other tourneys this weekend for the NJ Clubs?

Early NLF is a shadow of itself. 4 years ago it was outstanding, this year 4 to 6 teams at each age.

Any tournament that black balls a team (Tmen) out of another team’s fear (LE) of losing to them, is a weak tournament.

NLF will never let another NJ team in, it's part of the NLF bylaws. 2021 Mad Dog tried to enter an NLF event years ago under one of the CA NLF teams that wasn't going and got kicked out.
Middle school lacrosse means something to you but at the end of the day most of the good Tmen will end up playing for LE in High School. They do it to every other team in NJ. That said LE isn't for everyone and you don't need them to play in college.

You know nothing about Tmen obviously. The majority of the top 13-16 players on this team will very likely stay intact thru HS. No way to be sure so let’s revisit in 3 years.

You are 100% correct, I know nothing about the Tmen but I do know that history repeats itself. 2023 Tri-State Shore, they were a top 10 team in middle school. Only 1 boy stayed at Tri-State and the 2023 Tri-State team is good. The boys that made LE moved there and the top two that went to Blue Star are now at LE for their final year of travel. Once again, I'm not saying LE is the answer and this amazing place but don't think that solo cups and parties are going to keep the team together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The early NLF is this weekend, any other tourneys this weekend for the NJ Clubs?

Early NLF is a shadow of itself. 4 years ago it was outstanding, this year 4 to 6 teams at each age.

Any tournament that black balls a team (Tmen) out of another team’s fear (LE) of losing to them, is a weak tournament.

NLF will never let another NJ team in, it's part of the NLF bylaws. 2021 Mad Dog tried to enter an NLF event years ago under one of the CA NLF teams that wasn't going and got kicked out.
Middle school lacrosse means something to you but at the end of the day most of the good Tmen will end up playing for LE in High School. They do it to every other team in NJ. That said LE isn't for everyone and you don't need them to play in college.

You know nothing about Tmen obviously. The majority of the top 13-16 players on this team will very likely stay intact thru HS. No way to be sure so let’s revisit in 3 years.

You are 100% correct, I know nothing about the Tmen but I do know that history repeats itself. 2023 Tri-State Shore, they were a top 10 team in middle school. Only 1 boy stayed at Tri-State and the 2023 Tri-State team is good. The boys that made LE moved there and the top two that went to Blue Star are now at LE for their final year of travel. Once again, I'm not saying LE is the answer and this amazing place but don't think that solo cups and parties are going to keep the team together.

You are making more assumptions which is funny since you already admitted you know nothing about the team. Great coaches (current D1 and HS varsity coaches), like minded parents, honoring multi sport athletes’ schedules, a well connected recruiting director, and lots and lots of talent. And all that at cost which is about 1/3 of what other teams charge. It’s also a bonus that they win games including Sweetlax upstate and LIE Coach C, and took Tigers and Hawks to OT last summer. This weekend will be the first test of their year so we shall see if they can keep up with the big dogs. But wins at this age are less important than exposure at top events and invites to showcases, both of which these players are getting. LE can go poach from other teams because you would be silly to leave this setup assuming you are getting ample playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing in the NLF is just not important anymore.

👆

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing in the NLF is just not important anymore.

👆

They have most of the best HS clubs in the biz.

The same people saying the NLF is not important, are the same people complaining they are being black balled from an NLF event.

It is not the end all be all, but it definitely holds weight.

You are 100% correct, I know nothing about the Tmen but I do know that history repeats itself. 2023 Tri-State Shore, they were a top 10 team in middle school. Only 1 boy stayed at Tri-State and the 2023 Tri-State team is good. The boys that made LE moved there and the top two that went to Blue Star are now at LE for their final year of travel. Once again, I'm not saying LE is the answer and this amazing place but don't think that solo cups and parties are going to keep the team together.[/quote]

Can't wait until LE promotes as its own the kid that got the D1 commit at Blue Star...and I feel bad for the uncommitted LE 2023 kids that are going to lose playing time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are 100% correct, I know nothing about the Tmen but I do know that history repeats itself. 2023 Tri-State Shore, they were a top 10 team in middle school. Only 1 boy stayed at Tri-State and the 2023 Tri-State team is good. The boys that made LE moved there and the top two that went to Blue Star are now at LE for their final year of travel. Once again, I'm not saying LE is the answer and this amazing place but don't think that solo cups and parties are going to keep the team together.

Can't wait until LE promotes as its own the kid that got the D1 commit at Blue Star...and I feel bad for the uncommitted LE 2023 kids that are going to lose playing time[/quote]

Everyone should just stay with their current club. No one club does anything that much different or better. You can get recruited on ANY TEAM!!!! Every team in NJ has D1 recruits. Stay home there is no reason to switch teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are 100% correct, I know nothing about the Tmen but I do know that history repeats itself. 2023 Tri-State Shore, they were a top 10 team in middle school. Only 1 boy stayed at Tri-State and the 2023 Tri-State team is good. The boys that made LE moved there and the top two that went to Blue Star are now at LE for their final year of travel. Once again, I'm not saying LE is the answer and this amazing place but don't think that solo cups and parties are going to keep the team together.

Can't wait until LE promotes as its own the kid that got the D1 commit at Blue Star...and I feel bad for the uncommitted LE 2023 kids that are going to lose playing time

Everyone should just stay with their current club. No one club does anything that much different or better. You can get recruited on ANY TEAM!!!! Every team in NJ has D1 recruits. Stay home there is no reason to switch teams.[/quote]

Agreed, but its pretty tempting when a club offers you a free ride for the season

Did BBL Shore already die?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did BBL Shore already die?

I saw on their Instagram they won some tourney this past weekend. Idk how good they are numbers wise though

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing in the NLF is just not important anymore.

👆

They have most of the best HS clubs in the biz.

The same people saying the NLF is not important, are the same people complaining they are being black balled from an NLF event.

It is not the end all be all, but it definitely holds weight.

All the big colleges at NLF this weekend scouting. If you were there you know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing in the NLF is just not important anymore.

👆

They have most of the best HS clubs in the biz.

The same people saying the NLF is not important, are the same people complaining they are being black balled from an NLF event.

It is not the end all be all, but it definitely holds weight.

All the big colleges at NLF this weekend scouting. If you were there you know.

Nobody said it doesn’t attract college coaches. It used to be a big deal and now it is just another tournament. Less and less teams are going. Just check the brackets and compare to past years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are 100% correct, I know nothing about the Tmen but I do know that history repeats itself. 2023 Tri-State Shore, they were a top 10 team in middle school. Only 1 boy stayed at Tri-State and the 2023 Tri-State team is good. The boys that made LE moved there and the top two that went to Blue Star are now at LE for their final year of travel. Once again, I'm not saying LE is the answer and this amazing place but don't think that solo cups and parties are going to keep the team together.

Can't wait until LE promotes as its own the kid that got the D1 commit at Blue Star...and I feel bad for the uncommitted LE 2023 kids that are going to lose playing time[/quote]

You don’t need to feel bad. The kid plays D and that entire D is already committed. The Denver, Notre Dame, Bucknell, Monmouth, Villanova, and Brown poles are probably welcoming him with open arms. That defense has to be one of the best in club and it just got better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are 100% correct, I know nothing about the Tmen but I do know that history repeats itself. 2023 Tri-State Shore, they were a top 10 team in middle school. Only 1 boy stayed at Tri-State and the 2023 Tri-State team is good. The boys that made LE moved there and the top two that went to Blue Star are now at LE for their final year of travel. Once again, I'm not saying LE is the answer and this amazing place but don't think that solo cups and parties are going to keep the team together.

Can't wait until LE promotes as its own the kid that got the D1 commit at Blue Star...and I feel bad for the uncommitted LE 2023 kids that are going to lose playing time

You don’t need to feel bad. The kid plays D and that entire D is already committed. The Denver, Notre Dame, Bucknell, Monmouth, Villanova, and Brown poles are probably welcoming him with open arms. That defense has to be one of the best in club and it just got better.[/quote]

Read a little more carefully, its about the uncommitted kids, not the committed kids...and the other players that went to LE are not committed, so adding to the uncommitted pool of players on LE. As for the D, you just proved my point, LE did not need him, so this was all about promoting another commit and sticking it to another club without having done a thing to develop the kid. That being said, not all LE's fault, these players have parents who contributed to the decision.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are 100% correct, I know nothing about the Tmen but I do know that history repeats itself. 2023 Tri-State Shore, they were a top 10 team in middle school. Only 1 boy stayed at Tri-State and the 2023 Tri-State team is good. The boys that made LE moved there and the top two that went to Blue Star are now at LE for their final year of travel. Once again, I'm not saying LE is the answer and this amazing place but don't think that solo cups and parties are going to keep the team together.

Can't wait until LE promotes as its own the kid that got the D1 commit at Blue Star...and I feel bad for the uncommitted LE 2023 kids that are going to lose playing time

You don’t need to feel bad. The kid plays D and that entire D is already committed. The Denver, Notre Dame, Bucknell, Monmouth, Villanova, and Brown poles are probably welcoming him with open arms. That defense has to be one of the best in club and it just got better.

Read a little more carefully, its about the uncommitted kids, not the committed kids...and the other players that went to LE are not committed, so adding to the uncommitted pool of players on LE. As for the D, you just proved my point, LE did not need him, so this was all about promoting another commit and sticking it to another club without having done a thing to develop the kid. That being said, not all LE's fault, these players have parents who contributed to the decision.[/quote]

Maybe the players want to play with their friends and high school teammates and based on the 2024 & 2025 that played in the championship game at NLF adding two kids is a smart move by LE.
There are maybe 3 to 4 kids uncommitted players on that team, all are high academic kids that are most likely waiting for their JR year to end so they can commit to the high academic D3 schools. NESCAC over a lower academic D1 school is a smart move.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are 100% correct, I know nothing about the Tmen but I do know that history repeats itself. 2023 Tri-State Shore, they were a top 10 team in middle school. Only 1 boy stayed at Tri-State and the 2023 Tri-State team is good. The boys that made LE moved there and the top two that went to Blue Star are now at LE for their final year of travel. Once again, I'm not saying LE is the answer and this amazing place but don't think that solo cups and parties are going to keep the team together.

Can't wait until LE promotes as its own the kid that got the D1 commit at Blue Star...and I feel bad for the uncommitted LE 2023 kids that are going to lose playing time

You don’t need to feel bad. The kid plays D and that entire D is already committed. The Denver, Notre Dame, Bucknell, Monmouth, Villanova, and Brown poles are probably welcoming him with open arms. That defense has to be one of the best in club and it just got better.

Read a little more carefully, its about the uncommitted kids, not the committed kids...and the other players that went to LE are not committed, so adding to the uncommitted pool of players on LE. As for the D, you just proved my point, LE did not need him, so this was all about promoting another commit and sticking it to another club without having done a thing to develop the kid. That being said, not all LE's fault, these players have parents who contributed to the decision.

Maybe the players want to play with their friends and high school teammates and based on the 2024 & 2025 that played in the championship game at NLF adding two kids is a smart move by LE.
There are maybe 3 to 4 kids uncommitted players on that team, all are high academic kids that are most likely waiting for their JR year to end so they can commit to the high academic D3 schools. NESCAC over a lower academic D1 school is a smart move.[/quote]

I have to agree. Although it may be more than 3-4 I am not sure.

Maybe he wants to play with friends or on a better team against better competition.

I think we all know that BS does not play in the level of Tournaments as that of both BBL and LE.

To someone else’s point above, they are adding a top Defensive player to an already talented group.This doesn’t sound like a bad idea.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing in the NLF is just not important anymore.

👆

They have most of the best HS clubs in the biz.

The same people saying the NLF is not important, are the same people complaining they are being black balled from an NLF event.

It is not the end all be all, but it definitely holds weight.

All the big colleges at NLF this weekend scouting. If you were there you know.

Nobody said it doesn’t attract college coaches. It used to be a big deal and now it is just another tournament. Less and less teams are going. Just check the brackets and compare to past years.

Keep telling yourself that. All the best teams were there and being seen and will be recruited. It is better the bad teams are not there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing in the NLF is just not important anymore.

👆

They have most of the best HS clubs in the biz.

The same people saying the NLF is not important, are the same people complaining they are being black balled from an NLF event.

It is not the end all be all, but it definitely holds weight.

All the big colleges at NLF this weekend scouting. If you were there you know.

Nobody said it doesn’t attract college coaches. It used to be a big deal and now it is just another tournament. Less and less teams are going. Just check the brackets and compare to past years.

You are essentially implying that in order for a tournament to be “a big deal” there must be a ton of teams in it ? I think that is simply not true.

Sometimes the smaller tournaments with high quality teams are the best of the best.

Looking at some history here:

Champ Camp used to be a great tournament when it was smaller. It got too large and now doesn’t even exist.

World Series of youth lax was a smaller tournament and a great one. It got large and now doesn’t even exist. (I don’t think?)

Under armour (although it’s an individual tournament) was very strong when it was smaller, and now it is watered down a bit.

Naptown (when smaller and more exclusive, it was a great tournament) now it is watered down.

All of the above shows why sometimes a smaller, more “boutique/exclusive” style tournament , can still be a really good one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing in the NLF is just not important anymore.

👆

They have most of the best HS clubs in the biz.

The same people saying the NLF is not important, are the same people complaining they are being black balled from an NLF event.

It is not the end all be all, but it definitely holds weight.

All the big colleges at NLF this weekend scouting. If you were there you know.

Nobody said it doesn’t attract college coaches. It used to be a big deal and now it is just another tournament. Less and less teams are going. Just check the brackets and compare to past years.

Keep telling yourself that. All the best teams were there and being seen and will be recruited. It is better the bad teams are not there.

The boys want to win Naptown, NLF National Championship and NAL. Probably in that order but NLF is def still holds clout if you can win it. NLF Summer kick off is simply another mylacrosse garbage.

You are 100% right. Naptown, NLF Champ, and NAL are the 3 top tourneys. Great VIII in CT is one of those great boutique tourneys, but doesn’t have the cache or college visibility as the 3 mentioned above.

For the person who said you can get recruited at any club you are correct. But if you want the best chance to impress the top tier D1 programs, you need to be playing on a club that competes in tourneys those top colleges are at. No ACC teams will be sending their head coach to Lehigh Laxfest, but i can guarantee they will all be at the tourneys i listed above.

If you’re shooting for lower level D1 or D3, you have more flexibility on what club to play for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are 100% correct, I know nothing about the Tmen but I do know that history repeats itself. 2023 Tri-State Shore, they were a top 10 team in middle school. Only 1 boy stayed at Tri-State and the 2023 Tri-State team is good. The boys that made LE moved there and the top two that went to Blue Star are now at LE for their final year of travel. Once again, I'm not saying LE is the answer and this amazing place but don't think that solo cups and parties are going to keep the team together.

Can't wait until LE promotes as its own the kid that got the D1 commit at Blue Star...and I feel bad for the uncommitted LE 2023 kids that are going to lose playing time

You don’t need to feel bad. The kid plays D and that entire D is already committed. The Denver, Notre Dame, Bucknell, Monmouth, Villanova, and Brown poles are probably welcoming him with open arms. That defense has to be one of the best in club and it just got better.

Read a little more carefully, its about the uncommitted kids, not the committed kids...and the other players that went to LE are not committed, so adding to the uncommitted pool of players on LE. As for the D, you just proved my point, LE did not need him, so this was all about promoting another commit and sticking it to another club without having done a thing to develop the kid. That being said, not all LE's fault, these players have parents who contributed to the decision.

Maybe the players want to play with their friends and high school teammates and based on the 2024 & 2025 that played in the championship game at NLF adding two kids is a smart move by LE.
There are maybe 3 to 4 kids uncommitted players on that team, all are high academic kids that are most likely waiting for their JR year to end so they can commit to the high academic D3 schools. NESCAC over a lower academic D1 school is a smart move.[/quote]

Adding those players does not get the 2023 LE team into the NLF championship game....especially considering the level of talent that they already had on the team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are 100% correct, I know nothing about the Tmen but I do know that history repeats itself. 2023 Tri-State Shore, they were a top 10 team in middle school. Only 1 boy stayed at Tri-State and the 2023 Tri-State team is good. The boys that made LE moved there and the top two that went to Blue Star are now at LE for their final year of travel. Once again, I'm not saying LE is the answer and this amazing place but don't think that solo cups and parties are going to keep the team together.

Can't wait until LE promotes as its own the kid that got the D1 commit at Blue Star...and I feel bad for the uncommitted LE 2023 kids that are going to lose playing time

You don’t need to feel bad. The kid plays D and that entire D is already committed. The Denver, Notre Dame, Bucknell, Monmouth, Villanova, and Brown poles are probably welcoming him with open arms. That defense has to be one of the best in club and it just got better.

Read a little more carefully, its about the uncommitted kids, not the committed kids...and the other players that went to LE are not committed, so adding to the uncommitted pool of players on LE. As for the D, you just proved my point, LE did not need him, so this was all about promoting another commit and sticking it to another club without having done a thing to develop the kid. That being said, not all LE's fault, these players have parents who contributed to the decision.

Maybe the players want to play with their friends and high school teammates and based on the 2024 & 2025 that played in the championship game at NLF adding two kids is a smart move by LE.
There are maybe 3 to 4 kids uncommitted players on that team, all are high academic kids that are most likely waiting for their JR year to end so they can commit to the high academic D3 schools. NESCAC over a lower academic D1 school is a smart move.

I have to agree. Although it may be more than 3-4 I am not sure.

Maybe he wants to play with friends or on a better team against better competition.

I think we all know that BS does not play in the level of Tournaments as that of both BBL and LE.

To someone else’s point above, they are adding a top Defensive player to an already talented group.This doesn’t sound like a bad idea.[/quote]

Yeah, not the same level of tournaments, BS beat BBL at NAL, and LE dodged them....but keep living the dream....and as far as the reason for the kids moving, don't underestimate the politics. Either way nobody really cares about kids moving, nor does anybody care who wins any of these tournaments, caring about tournament wins is middle school material.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are 100% correct, I know nothing about the Tmen but I do know that history repeats itself. 2023 Tri-State Shore, they were a top 10 team in middle school. Only 1 boy stayed at Tri-State and the 2023 Tri-State team is good. The boys that made LE moved there and the top two that went to Blue Star are now at LE for their final year of travel. Once again, I'm not saying LE is the answer and this amazing place but don't think that solo cups and parties are going to keep the team together.

Can't wait until LE promotes as its own the kid that got the D1 commit at Blue Star...and I feel bad for the uncommitted LE 2023 kids that are going to lose playing time

You don’t need to feel bad. The kid plays D and that entire D is already committed. The Denver, Notre Dame, Bucknell, Monmouth, Villanova, and Brown poles are probably welcoming him with open arms. That defense has to be one of the best in club and it just got better.

Read a little more carefully, its about the uncommitted kids, not the committed kids...and the other players that went to LE are not committed, so adding to the uncommitted pool of players on LE. As for the D, you just proved my point, LE did not need him, so this was all about promoting another commit and sticking it to another club without having done a thing to develop the kid. That being said, not all LE's fault, these players have parents who contributed to the decision.

Maybe the players want to play with their friends and high school teammates and based on the 2024 & 2025 that played in the championship game at NLF adding two kids is a smart move by LE.
There are maybe 3 to 4 kids uncommitted players on that team, all are high academic kids that are most likely waiting for their JR year to end so they can commit to the high academic D3 schools. NESCAC over a lower academic D1 school is a smart move.[/quote]

I do not disagree that there are probably a few high academic kids that remain uncommitted, but the problem is that, putting the committed pole aside, they just added more uncommitted players who are likely high academic kids as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are 100% correct, I know nothing about the Tmen but I do know that history repeats itself. 2023 Tri-State Shore, they were a top 10 team in middle school. Only 1 boy stayed at Tri-State and the 2023 Tri-State team is good. The boys that made LE moved there and the top two that went to Blue Star are now at LE for their final year of travel. Once again, I'm not saying LE is the answer and this amazing place but don't think that solo cups and parties are going to keep the team together.

Can't wait until LE promotes as its own the kid that got the D1 commit at Blue Star...and I feel bad for the uncommitted LE 2023 kids that are going to lose playing time

You don’t need to feel bad. The kid plays D and that entire D is already committed. The Denver, Notre Dame, Bucknell, Monmouth, Villanova, and Brown poles are probably welcoming him with open arms. That defense has to be one of the best in club and it just got better.

Read a little more carefully, its about the uncommitted kids, not the committed kids...and the other players that went to LE are not committed, so adding to the uncommitted pool of players on LE. As for the D, you just proved my point, LE did not need him, so this was all about promoting another commit and sticking it to another club without having done a thing to develop the kid. That being said, not all LE's fault, these players have parents who contributed to the decision.

Maybe the players want to play with their friends and high school teammates and based on the 2024 & 2025 that played in the championship game at NLF adding two kids is a smart move by LE.
There are maybe 3 to 4 kids uncommitted players on that team, all are high academic kids that are most likely waiting for their JR year to end so they can commit to the high academic D3 schools. NESCAC over a lower academic D1 school is a smart move.

I do not disagree that there are probably a few high academic kids that remain uncommitted, but the problem is that, putting the committed pole aside, they just added more uncommitted players who are likely high academic kids as well[/quote]

Why is that a problem? Adding motivated players to a pretty good team?

You don’t need to feel bad. The kid plays D and that entire D is already committed. The Denver, Notre Dame, Bucknell, Monmouth, Villanova, and Brown poles are probably welcoming him with open arms. That defense has to be one of the best in club and it just got better.[/quote]

Read a little more carefully, its about the uncommitted kids, not the committed kids...and the other players that went to LE are not committed, so adding to the uncommitted pool of players on LE. As for the D, you just proved my point, LE did not need him, so this was all about promoting another commit and sticking it to another club without having done a thing to develop the kid. That being said, not all LE's fault, these players have parents who contributed to the decision.[/quote]

Maybe the players want to play with their friends and high school teammates and based on the 2024 & 2025 that played in the championship game at NLF adding two kids is a smart move by LE.
There are maybe 3 to 4 kids uncommitted players on that team, all are high academic kids that are most likely waiting for their JR year to end so they can commit to the high academic D3 schools. NESCAC over a lower academic D1 school is a smart move.[/quote]

I do not disagree that there are probably a few high academic kids that remain uncommitted, but the problem is that, putting the committed pole aside, they just added more uncommitted players who are likely high academic kids as well[/quote]

Why is that a problem? Adding motivated players to a pretty good team?[/quote]
The problem is my son played with them at Blue Star and with our WF kid that doesn't show up, we are now not going to have enough players to field a good team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are 100% right. Naptown, NLF Champ, and NAL are the 3 top tourneys. Great VIII in CT is one of those great boutique tourneys, but doesn’t have the cache or college visibility as the 3 mentioned above.

For the person who said you can get recruited at any club you are correct. But if you want the best chance to impress the top tier D1 programs, you need to be playing on a club that competes in tourneys those top colleges are at. No ACC teams will be sending their head coach to Lehigh Laxfest, but i can guarantee they will all be at the tourneys i listed above.

If you’re shooting for lower level D1 or D3, you have more flexibility on what club to play for.

Just checked Lehigh Laxfest. Past colleges that attended are Air Force, Duke, Villanova and Richmond amongst others. All HIGH END colleges that Leading Edge has sent kids to. So your wrong. The college coaches go to a lot of different tournaments nowadays. NLF, NAL, Naptown and Crabfest all have attendees in one way or another by NJ clubs. I am not the person who posted the "recruitment at any club" post but I agree with him. Stay on your club teams. LE, BBL and Tri State are the higher end clubs and Mad Dog is making a big push from 2025 and lower. Blue Star, Riot, Patriot are all there as well and put kids in D1 just like everyone else with BS being more successful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are 100% right. Naptown, NLF Champ, and NAL are the 3 top tourneys. Great VIII in CT is one of those great boutique tourneys, but doesn’t have the cache or college visibility as the 3 mentioned above.

For the person who said you can get recruited at any club you are correct. But if you want the best chance to impress the top tier D1 programs, you need to be playing on a club that competes in tourneys those top colleges are at. No ACC teams will be sending their head coach to Lehigh Laxfest, but i can guarantee they will all be at the tourneys i listed above.

If you’re shooting for lower level D1 or D3, you have more flexibility on what club to play for.

Just checked Lehigh Laxfest. Past colleges that attended are Air Force, Duke, Villanova and Richmond amongst others. All HIGH END colleges that Leading Edge has sent kids to. So your wrong. The college coaches go to a lot of different tournaments nowadays. NLF, NAL, Naptown and Crabfest all have attendees in one way or another by NJ clubs. I am not the person who posted the "recruitment at any club" post but I agree with him. Stay on your club teams. LE, BBL and Tri State are the higher end clubs and Mad Dog is making a big push from 2025 and lower. Blue Star, Riot, Patriot are all there as well and put kids in D1 just like everyone else with BS being more successful.

The bulk of the past few threads is LE just trying to advertise that they and the NLF is more important than anything else and its just not the case anymore. I am so tired of their branding, most people see thru it now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don’t need to feel bad. The kid plays D and that entire D is already committed. The Denver, Notre Dame, Bucknell, Monmouth, Villanova, and Brown poles are probably welcoming him with open arms. That defense has to be one of the best in club and it just got better.

Read a little more carefully, its about the uncommitted kids, not the committed kids...and the other players that went to LE are not committed, so adding to the uncommitted pool of players on LE. As for the D, you just proved my point, LE did not need him, so this was all about promoting another commit and sticking it to another club without having done a thing to develop the kid. That being said, not all LE's fault, these players have parents who contributed to the decision.[/quote]

Maybe the players want to play with their friends and high school teammates and based on the 2024 & 2025 that played in the championship game at NLF adding two kids is a smart move by LE.
There are maybe 3 to 4 kids uncommitted players on that team, all are high academic kids that are most likely waiting for their JR year to end so they can commit to the high academic D3 schools. NESCAC over a lower academic D1 school is a smart move.[/quote]

I do not disagree that there are probably a few high academic kids that remain uncommitted, but the problem is that, putting the committed pole aside, they just added more uncommitted players who are likely high academic kids as well[/quote]

Why is that a problem? Adding motivated players to a pretty good team?[/quote]
The problem is my son played with them at Blue Star and with our WF kid that doesn't show up, we are now not going to have enough players to field a good team.[/quote]

Fair point, support the team that got you there. Either way, I'm sure that kids will show up at tournaments, colleges want their recruits playing.

Why is that a problem? Adding motivated players to a pretty good team?[/quote]

Because it adds recruiting competition for the kids that have been with LE, and takes away from their playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is that a problem? Adding motivated players to a pretty good team?

Because it adds recruiting competition for the kids that have been with LE, and takes away from their playing time.[/quote]

Tough take here. Competition is needed to get the best out of kids I would think. I don’t know the roster, but I don’t think they would add if they didn’t have some room.

To someone else’s point, rosters are typically lighter in that oldest grade due to kids quitting or focusing elsewhere . Sounds like BS is really light now , which further proves the point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don’t need to feel bad. The kid plays D and that entire D is already committed. The Denver, Notre Dame, Bucknell, Monmouth, Villanova, and Brown poles are probably welcoming him with open arms. That defense has to be one of the best in club and it just got better.

Read a little more carefully, its about the uncommitted kids, not the committed kids...and the other players that went to LE are not committed, so adding to the uncommitted pool of players on LE. As for the D, you just proved my point, LE did not need him, so this was all about promoting another commit and sticking it to another club without having done a thing to develop the kid. That being said, not all LE's fault, these players have parents who contributed to the decision.[/quote]

Maybe the players want to play with their friends and high school teammates and based on the 2024 & 2025 that played in the championship game at NLF adding two kids is a smart move by LE.
There are maybe 3 to 4 kids uncommitted players on that team, all are high academic kids that are most likely waiting for their JR year to end so they can commit to the high academic D3 schools. NESCAC over a lower academic D1 school is a smart move.[/quote]

I do not disagree that there are probably a few high academic kids that remain uncommitted, but the problem is that, putting the committed pole aside, they just added more uncommitted players who are likely high academic kids as well[/quote]

Why is that a problem? Adding motivated players to a pretty good team?[/quote]
The problem is my son played with them at Blue Star and with our WF kid that doesn't show up, we are now not going to have enough players to field a good team.[/quote]

Should have played for LE or Tri-State .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is that a problem? Adding motivated players to a pretty good team?

Because it adds recruiting competition for the kids that have been with LE, and takes away from their playing time.[/quote]

Does your kid not want competition ?

I detest to break it to you, but our kids are competing (in terms of recruiting) with thousands and thousands of other players from across the country. The 1 or 2 added kids to his team should be the least of his worries.

If he’s good, he will get recruited. Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is that a problem? Adding motivated players to a pretty good team?

Because it adds recruiting competition for the kids that have been with LE, and takes away from their playing time.

Does your kid not want competition ?

I detest to break it to you, but our kids are competing (in terms of recruiting) with thousands and thousands of other players from across the country. The 1 or 2 added kids to his team should be the least of his worries.

If he’s good, he will get recruited. Plain and simple.[/quote]

I do not disagree with much of what is being said. I am not a LE parent, but if I was, and my kid was not committed yet, I would be a little unhappy with another player who plays the same position as my son, who is not needed, coming aboard. I know that there is no right or wrong answer, just my own feelings.

Did AA accolades come out yet? I am curious how each club stacked up with representation in NJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did AA accolades come out yet? I am curious how each club stacked up with representation in NJ.

Shore- 5 total: 4-LE (W/Blue Star that is now LE) 1 Mad Dog

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did AA accolades come out yet? I am curious how each club stacked up with representation in NJ.

Shore- 5 total: 4-LE (W/Blue Star that is now LE) 1 Mad Dog

The haters are going to say they don’t really play LE.

I wonder what the North breakdown is.

Very good chance that LE has a player of the year again.

When does that come out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did AA accolades come out yet? I am curious how each club stacked up with representation in NJ.

Shore- 5 total: 4-LE (W/Blue Star that is now LE) 1 Mad Dog

The haters are going to say they don’t really play LE.

I wonder what the North breakdown is.

Very good chance that LE has a player of the year again.

When does that come out?

North is out.. LE well over 50%

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did AA accolades come out yet? I am curious how each club stacked up with representation in NJ.

Shore- 5 total: 4-LE (W/Blue Star that is now LE) 1 Mad Dog

The haters are going to say they don’t really play LE.

I wonder what the North breakdown is.

Very good chance that LE has a player of the year again.

When does that come out?

North is out.. LE well over 50%

Not quite 50%. It looks like 6 of the 20 AA for North. The player of the year, midfielder of the year, and defenseman of the year. They have 4 of the 5 in the south. As well as the player of the year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is that a problem? Adding motivated players to a pretty good team?

Because it adds recruiting competition for the kids that have been with LE, and takes away from their playing time.

Tough take here. Competition is needed to get the best out of kids I would think. I don’t know the roster, but I don’t think they would add if they didn’t have some room.

To someone else’s point, rosters are typically lighter in that oldest grade due to kids quitting or focusing elsewhere . Sounds like BS is really light now , which further proves the point.[/quote]

Blue Star lost their second best pole and their second or third best attackman, they should be fine...but again, wins and losses are meaningless, just need to be in the right place at the right time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is that a problem? Adding motivated players to a pretty good team?

Because it adds recruiting competition for the kids that have been with LE, and takes away from their playing time.

Tough take here. Competition is needed to get the best out of kids I would think. I don’t know the roster, but I don’t think they would add if they didn’t have some room.

To someone else’s point, rosters are typically lighter in that oldest grade due to kids quitting or focusing elsewhere . Sounds like BS is really light now , which further proves the point.

Blue Star lost their second best pole and their second or third best attackman, they should be fine...but again, wins and losses are meaningless, just need to be in the right place at the right time.[/quote]
Do we really think the West Field kid is better than the RFH kid? I know where they are going to school but bloodlines help.

NJ 2026 representing well at the NAL. Towermen with the 1 seed going into the championship bracket this morning and LE with the 4 seed. Go get ‘em boys!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is that a problem? Adding motivated players to a pretty good team?

Because it adds recruiting competition for the kids that have been with LE, and takes away from their playing time.

Tough take here. Competition is needed to get the best out of kids I would think. I don’t know the roster, but I don’t think they would add if they didn’t have some room.

To someone else’s point, rosters are typically lighter in that oldest grade due to kids quitting or focusing elsewhere . Sounds like BS is really light now , which further proves the point.

Blue Star lost their second best pole and their second or third best attackman, they should be fine...but again, wins and losses are meaningless, just need to be in the right place at the right time.

Do we really think the West Field kid is better than the RFH kid? I know where they are going to school but bloodlines help.[/quote]

Probably gets the edge on size and athleticism....also LSM vs. close D, so not really apples to apples.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJ 2026 representing well at the NAL. Towermen with the 1 seed going into the championship bracket this morning and LE with the 4 seed. Go get ‘em boys!

Towermen beats DC Express in a quarters but falls to Sweetlax in the semis. LE loses a close one to the Crabs in the quarters. Not a bad showing for NJ in one of the toughest 2026 tournaments of the summer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJ 2026 representing well at the NAL. Towermen with the 1 seed going into the championship bracket this morning and LE with the 4 seed. Go get ‘em boys!

BBL look decent?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJ 2026 representing well at the NAL. Towermen with the 1 seed going into the championship bracket this morning and LE with the 4 seed. Go get ‘em boys!

BBL look decent?

BBL weakest of the 3 for the 2026 class.

TMEN and LE I think are a pick ‘em .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJ 2026 representing well at the NAL. Towermen with the 1 seed going into the championship bracket this morning and LE with the 4 seed. Go get ‘em boys!

BBL look decent?

BBL weakest of the 3 for the 2026 class.

TMEN and LE I think are a pick ‘em .

Twmen sure talk a lot more than they win!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJ 2026 representing well at the NAL. Towermen with the 1 seed going into the championship bracket this morning and LE with the 4 seed. Go get ‘em boys!

BBL look decent?

BBL weakest of the 3 for the 2026 class.

TMEN and LE I think are a pick ‘em .

Twmen sure talk a lot more than they win!

Looks like they had a good weekend.

A one off team “program” is risky as they approach the High-school circuit. There is no history or track record when it comes to recruiting.

Towermen is a 2026 team it doesn’t make sense to say they do it every year.
They can stay together and get into good showcases together they don’t need to leave, coaches will watch them. My son doesn’t play for either team btw.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJ 2026 representing well at the NAL. Towermen with the 1 seed going into the championship bracket this morning and LE with the 4 seed. Go get ‘em boys!

BBL look decent?

BBL weakest of the 3 for the 2026 class.

TMEN and LE I think are a pick ‘em .

Twmen sure talk a lot more than they win!

Looks like they had a good weekend.

A one off team “program” is risky as they approach the High-school circuit. There is no history or track record when it comes to recruiting.

You are ignorant and must be drinking the LE and BBL kool aid. 1. The best players in the nation get found, regardless of club team. 2. The Turtles from LI was a originally a one off team that had 10 plus high level D1 recruits from its first team. 3. Club team choice have much less impact than showcases and prospect days. 4. Keep paying triple what we pay and watch what happens with our top boys on Sept 1 2024. And by the way we are 16-1 in our last 17 games. How has your team done? Suckers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJ 2026 representing well at the NAL. Towermen with the 1 seed going into the championship bracket this morning and LE with the 4 seed. Go get ‘em boys!

BBL look decent?

BBL weakest of the 3 for the 2026 class.

TMEN and LE I think are a pick ‘em .

Twmen sure talk a lot more than they win!

Looks like they had a good weekend.

A one off team “program” is risky as they approach the High-school circuit. There is no history or track record when it comes to recruiting.

Keep drinking the club lax kool aid my man

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJ 2026 representing well at the NAL. Towermen with the 1 seed going into the championship bracket this morning and LE with the 4 seed. Go get ‘em boys!

BBL look decent?

BBL weakest of the 3 for the 2026 class.

TMEN and LE I think are a pick ‘em .

Twmen sure talk a lot more than they win!

Looks like they had a good weekend.

A one off team “program” is risky as they approach the High-school circuit. There is no history or track record when it comes to recruiting.

You are ignorant and must be drinking the LE and BBL kool aid. 1. The best players in the nation get found, regardless of club team. 2. The Turtles from LI was a originally a one off team that had 10 plus high level D1 recruits from its first team. 3. Club team choice have much less impact than showcases and prospect days. 4. Keep paying triple what we pay and watch what happens with our top boys on Sept 1 2024. And by the way we are 16-1 in our last 17 games. How has your team done? Suckers.

Do you have an older kid or are you basing this on what your coach is telling you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Towermen is a 2026 team it doesn’t make sense to say they do it every year.
They can stay together and get into good showcases together they don’t need to leave, coaches will watch them. My son doesn’t play for either team btw.

They will not get recruited playing in the cupcake tournaments they play in.

TMEN and LE I think are a pick ‘em .[/quote]

Twmen sure talk a lot more than they win![/quote]

Looks like they had a good weekend.

A one off team “program” is risky as they approach the High-school circuit. There is no history or track record when it comes to recruiting.[/quote]

You are ignorant and must be drinking the LE and BBL kool aid. 1. The best players in the nation get found, regardless of club team. 2. The Turtles from LI was a originally a one off team that had 10 plus high level D1 recruits from its first team. 3. Club team choice have much less impact than showcases and prospect days. 4. Keep paying triple what we pay and watch what happens with our top boys on Sept 1 2024. And by the way we are 16-1 in our last 17 games. How has your team done? Suckers.[/quote]
Do you have an older kid or are you basing this on what your coach is telling you?[/quote]

This will be our last season at the program. Our team does not play against hard teams or tournaments except one every year. We should be playing against the best regularly. We dont. We are not getting better playing scrimmages against own team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TMEN and LE I think are a pick ‘em .

Twmen sure talk a lot more than they win![/quote]

Looks like they had a good weekend.

A one off team “program” is risky as they approach the High-school circuit. There is no history or track record when it comes to recruiting.[/quote]

You are ignorant and must be drinking the LE and BBL kool aid. 1. The best players in the nation get found, regardless of club team. 2. The Turtles from LI was a originally a one off team that had 10 plus high level D1 recruits from its first team. 3. Club team choice have much less impact than showcases and prospect days. 4. Keep paying triple what we pay and watch what happens with our top boys on Sept 1 2024. And by the way we are 16-1 in our last 17 games. How has your team done? Suckers.[/quote]
Do you have an older kid or are you basing this on what your coach is telling you?[/quote]

This will be our last season at the program. Our team does not play against hard teams or tournaments except one every year. We should be playing against the best regularly. We dont. We are not getting better playing scrimmages against own team.[/quote]

Haha. Nice try troll!! See you at Nap Town!

The best players get found regardless of the club despite what LE and BBL directors tell you. Perfect example: Brad Smith (Lakes, Duke, PLL) played for STEPS. Many D1 commits are found at showcases and prospect camps. The clubs will take credit for every commit they have and probably didn’t do much of anything to help most of those kids get committed. Active top 30 D1 head coach advice to my son: good grades is going to open up your options. Play for the best club team you can play for while also getting meaningful minutes. If you aren’t playing you aren’t going to get better or get seen. Attend a showcase or two as a rising 10th grader and a few more as a rising 11th grader but prospect days are best way to be seen by coaches you want to play for. And finally, it’s the work you do between practices that makes the biggest difference between a good player and a great player.

T-men have beaten Hawks, Tigers, LI Express, and Sweetlax over the last couple seasons. Went 4-1 over the weekend. Say what you like but they are well coached and compete with (and beat) top level talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

T-men have beaten Hawks, Tigers, LI Express, and Sweetlax over the last couple seasons. Went 4-1 over the weekend. Say what you like but they are well coached and compete with (and beat) top level talent.

It was a troll post. Best to ignore. Tmen have proven themselves as a top 10 team for 2026 and I don’t think anyone can argue with that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best players get found regardless of the club despite what LE and BBL directors tell you. Perfect example: Brad Smith (Lakes, Duke, PLL) played for STEPS. Many D1 commits are found at showcases and prospect camps. The clubs will take credit for every commit they have and probably didn’t do much of anything to help most of those kids get committed. Active top 30 D1 head coach advice to my son: good grades is going to open up your options. Play for the best club team you can play for while also getting meaningful minutes. If you aren’t playing you aren’t going to get better or get seen. Attend a showcase or two as a rising 10th grader and a few more as a rising 11th grader but prospect days are best way to be seen by coaches you want to play for. And finally, it’s the work you do between practices that makes the biggest difference between a good player and a great player.

Your example using Brad smith is pretty bad. Steps was a good program led by 4 HOF worthy NJ HCs from delby, summit, lakes and formerly of SHP. Sometimes your HS coach matters in recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best players get found regardless of the club despite what LE and BBL directors tell you. Perfect example: Brad Smith (Lakes, Duke, PLL) played for STEPS. Many D1 commits are found at showcases and prospect camps. The clubs will take credit for every commit they have and probably didn’t do much of anything to help most of those kids get committed. Active top 30 D1 head coach advice to my son: good grades is going to open up your options. Play for the best club team you can play for while also getting meaningful minutes. If you aren’t playing you aren’t going to get better or get seen. Attend a showcase or two as a rising 10th grader and a few more as a rising 11th grader but prospect days are best way to be seen by coaches you want to play for. And finally, it’s the work you do between practices that makes the biggest difference between a good player and a great player.

Your example using Brad smith is pretty bad. Steps was a good program led by 4 HOF worthy NJ HCs from delby, summit, lakes and formerly of SHP. Sometimes your HS coach matters in recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best players get found regardless of the club despite what LE and BBL directors tell you. Perfect example: Brad Smith (Lakes, Duke, PLL) played for STEPS. Many D1 commits are found at showcases and prospect camps. The clubs will take credit for every commit they have and probably didn’t do much of anything to help most of those kids get committed. Active top 30 D1 head coach advice to my son: good grades is going to open up your options. Play for the best club team you can play for while also getting meaningful minutes. If you aren’t playing you aren’t going to get better or get seen. Attend a showcase or two as a rising 10th grader and a few more as a rising 11th grader but prospect days are best way to be seen by coaches you want to play for. And finally, it’s the work you do between practices that makes the biggest difference between a good player and a great player.

Your example using Brad smith is pretty bad. Steps was a good program led by 4 HOF worthy NJ HCs from delby, summit, lakes and formerly of SHP. Sometimes your HS coach matters in recruiting.

Ok. Eliminate that one example from my post. Fair enough. Will you try to dispute the rest of the post?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Towermen is a 2026 team it doesn’t make sense to say they do it every year.
They can stay together and get into good showcases together they don’t need to leave, coaches will watch them. My son doesn’t play for either team btw.

They will not get recruited playing in the cupcake tournaments they play in.

Haha. Nice try troll. NAL, Millon, Nap town, Primetime. Name one tourney better than those other than NLF where we are black balled by LE. You must play for Bbl lost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Towermen is a 2026 team it doesn’t make sense to say they do it every year.
They can stay together and get into good showcases together they don’t need to leave, coaches will watch them. My son doesn’t play for either team btw.

They will not get recruited playing in the cupcake tournaments they play in.

Haha. Nice try troll. NAL, Millon, Nap town, Primetime. Name one tourney better than those other than NLF where we are black balled by LE. You must play for Bbl lost.

Let the haters detest. Just show them the scoreboard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Towermen is a 2026 team it doesn’t make sense to say they do it every year.
They can stay together and get into good showcases together they don’t need to leave, coaches will watch them. My son doesn’t play for either team btw.

They will not get recruited playing in the cupcake tournaments they play in.

Haha. Nice try troll. NAL, Millon, Nap town, Primetime. Name one tourney better than those other than NLF where we are black balled by LE. You must play for Bbl lost.

Let the haters detest. Just show them the scoreboard.

It's 8th grade lacrosse lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Towermen is a 2026 team it doesn’t make sense to say they do it every year.
They can stay together and get into good showcases together they don’t need to leave, coaches will watch them. My son doesn’t play for either team btw.

They will not get recruited playing in the cupcake tournaments they play in.

Haha. Nice try troll. NAL, Millon, Nap town, Primetime. Name one tourney better than those other than NLF where we are black balled by LE. You must play for Bbl lost.

Let the haters detest. Just show them the scoreboard.

It's 8th grade lacrosse lol

Personality disorder on display might be the reason for no invite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Towermen is a 2026 team it doesn’t make sense to say they do it every year.
They can stay together and get into good showcases together they don’t need to leave, coaches will watch them. My son doesn’t play for either team btw.

They will not get recruited playing in the cupcake tournaments they play in.

Haha. Nice try troll. NAL, Millon, Nap town, Primetime. Name one tourney better than those other than NLF where we are black balled by LE. You must play for Bbl lost.

Let the haters detest. Just show them the scoreboard.

It's 8th grade lacrosse lol

Personality disorder on display might be the reason for no invite?

Nah, probably just fear of losing. Very funny quip though.

They will not get recruited playing in the cupcake tournaments they play in.[/quote]

Haha. Nice try troll. NAL, Millon, Nap town, Primetime. Name one tourney better than those other than NLF where we are black balled by LE. You must play for Bbl lost.[/quote]

Let the haters detest. Just show them the scoreboard.[/quote]
It's 8th grade lacrosse lol[/quote]

Personality disorder on display might be the reason for no invite?[/quote]

Nah, probably just fear of losing. Very funny quip though.[/quote]

My kid also leaving. Not enough scrimmaging or tournaments. Want LE recruiting.Was fun until the world series fiasco.

What was the Towermen fiasco with the World Series? Are you referring to the fact that they didn’t qualify?

I think it was the fact that they finished 5th overall. And went 4-1 in their bracket beating the Midwest Qualifier Champion and the Southern one as well.

LE crushed it at the World Series.. wait nevermind… no one age qualifies. But they will get better once they reclass 5 seniors. Total development model.

The best part of Leading Edge is asking 2 2026 lacrosse players to play on their 2027 team even though they actually did not change grades. “Reclassing in lacrosse only”… heck yeah…Sharpening iron right there.

Nah nah you trippin

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best part of Leading Edge is asking 2 2026 lacrosse players to play on their 2027 team even though they actually did not change grades. “Reclassing in lacrosse only”… heck yeah…Sharpening iron right there.

TM insecurity is funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best part of Leading Edge is asking 2 2026 lacrosse players to play on their 2027 team even though they actually did not change grades. “Reclassing in lacrosse only”… heck yeah…Sharpening iron right there.

Forget about reclasses, everyone is doing it.

LE has best track record in nj. 6 of last 7 player of the years in NJ.
Consistently have very very strong recruiting classes. Hard to argue that.
If your at Towermen, you have no reason to detest on LE. Both have strong teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best part of Leading Edge is asking 2 2026 lacrosse players to play on their 2027 team even though they actually did not change grades. “Reclassing in lacrosse only”… heck yeah…Sharpening iron right there.

TM insecurity is funny.

Totally! Pointing out flagrant cheating absolutely wreaks of insecurity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best part of Leading Edge is asking 2 2026 lacrosse players to play on their 2027 team even though they actually did not change grades. “Reclassing in lacrosse only”… heck yeah…Sharpening iron right there.

Forget about reclasses, everyone is doing it.

LE has best track record in nj. 6 of last 7 player of the years in NJ.
Consistently have very very strong recruiting classes. Hard to argue that.
If your at Towermen, you have no reason to detest on LE. Both have strong teams.

Nobody is hatin. Just calling out a program that breaks the rules. Those kids didn’t reclass. They were dropped to 2027 team but are going into 9th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best part of Leading Edge is asking 2 2026 lacrosse players to play on their 2027 team even though they actually did not change grades. “Reclassing in lacrosse only”… heck yeah…Sharpening iron right there.

Forget about reclasses, everyone is doing it.

LE has best track record in nj. 6 of last 7 player of the years in NJ.
Consistently have very very strong recruiting classes. Hard to argue that.
If your at Towermen, you have no reason to detest on LE. Both have strong teams.

Nobody is hatin. Just calling out a program that breaks the rules. Those kids didn’t reclass. They were dropped to 2027 team but are going into 9th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best part of Leading Edge is asking 2 2026 lacrosse players to play on their 2027 team even though they actually did not change grades. “Reclassing in lacrosse only”… heck yeah…Sharpening iron right there.

Forget about reclasses, everyone is doing it.

LE has best track record in nj. 6 of last 7 player of the years in NJ.
Consistently have very very strong recruiting classes. Hard to argue that.
If your at Towermen, you have no reason to detest on LE. Both have strong teams.

Nobody is hatin. Just calling out a program that breaks the rules. Those kids didn’t reclass. They were dropped to 2027 team but are going into 9th grade.

Almost as bad as playing in tournaments as a different team name to avoid hurting club lax rankings. (That mean nothing)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it was the fact that they finished 5th overall. And went 4-1 in their bracket beating the Midwest Qualifier Champion and the Southern one as well.

LE crushed it at the World Series.. wait nevermind… no one age qualifies. But they will get better once they reclass 5 seniors. Total development model.

I am sorry but you are bragging about the World Series of youth lacrosse. I see you are new to this club lacrosse world.

I will inform you… that tournament is a joke money grab.

Was your son nominated to the ALL WORLD TEAM!!!?

I heard TMen 2035 is ranked top 17 in the NATION according to us club lax instagram page!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best part of Leading Edge is asking 2 2026 lacrosse players to play on their 2027 team even though they actually did not change grades. “Reclassing in lacrosse only”… heck yeah…Sharpening iron right there.

Forget about reclasses, everyone is doing it.

LE has best track record in nj. 6 of last 7 player of the years in NJ.
Consistently have very very strong recruiting classes. Hard to argue that.
If your at Towermen, you have no reason to detest on LE. Both have strong teams.

Nobody is hatin. Just calling out a program that breaks the rules. Those kids didn’t reclass. They were dropped to 2027 team but are going into 9th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best part of Leading Edge is asking 2 2026 lacrosse players to play on their 2027 team even though they actually did not change grades. “Reclassing in lacrosse only”… heck yeah…Sharpening iron right there.

Forget about reclasses, everyone is doing it.

LE has best track record in nj. 6 of last 7 player of the years in NJ.
Consistently have very very strong recruiting classes. Hard to argue that.
If your at Towermen, you have no reason to detest on LE. Both have strong teams.

Nobody is hatin. Just calling out a program that breaks the rules. Those kids didn’t reclass. They were dropped to 2027 team but are going into 9th grade.

Almost as bad as playing in tournaments as a different team name to avoid hurting club lax rankings. (That mean nothing)

Nah. Not even close actually.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best part of Leading Edge is asking 2 2026 lacrosse players to play on their 2027 team even though they actually did not change grades. “Reclassing in lacrosse only”… heck yeah…Sharpening iron right there.

Lots of LE folks on this board. Can anyone confirm if this is true?

I'm not a fan of holdbacks, but it's not against the rules so I don't complain. That is assuming that you're actually reclassed in school. If these kids were in 8th grade this year and played in a 2027 tourney this weekend, that's wrong.

What's the scoop LE folks?

Forget about reclasses, everyone is doing it.

LE has best track record in nj. 6 of last 7 player of the years in NJ.
Consistently have very very strong recruiting classes. Hard to argue that.
If your at Towermen, you have no reason to detest on LE. Both have strong teams.[/quote]

Nobody is hatin. Just calling out a program that breaks the rules. Those kids didn’t reclass. They were dropped to 2027 team but are going into 9th grade.[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best part of Leading Edge is asking 2 2026 lacrosse players to play on their 2027 team even though they actually did not change grades. “Reclassing in lacrosse only”… heck yeah…Sharpening iron right there.

Forget about reclasses, everyone is doing it.

LE has best track record in nj. 6 of last 7 player of the years in NJ.
Consistently have very very strong recruiting classes. Hard to argue that.
If your at Towermen, you have no reason to detest on LE. Both have strong teams.

Nobody is hatin. Just calling out a program that breaks the rules. Those kids didn’t reclass. They were dropped to 2027 team but are going into 9th grade.

Almost as bad as playing in tournaments as a different team name to avoid hurting club lax rankings. (That mean nothing)[/quote]

Whats the scoop TM folks?

On behalf on the Tmen folks, that secondary team is coached by a Dad. The roster changes every tourney. It consists of Tmen players, LE players, BBL players, Step players and even Upper level guys. They are 9-0 and currently ranked in the 20s separately.

Yes it would not be right for us to use those scores for our rankings whether it helps us or hurts us considering that team is a combo of all those different clubs.

That can be validated by the 2 championship photos they have won. You can see the different helmets of the different players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On behalf on the Tmen folks, that secondary team is coached by a Dad. The roster changes every tourney. It consists of Tmen players, LE players, BBL players, Step players and even Upper level guys. They are 9-0 and currently ranked in the 20s separately.

Yes it would not be right for us to use those scores for our rankings whether it helps us or hurts us considering that team is a combo of all those different clubs.

That can be validated by the 2 championship photos they have won. You can see the different helmets of the different players.

The fact that you are bringing up “rankings” shows that your new to this world. I sympathize with you for your lack of knowledge, but it will come with time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On behalf on the Tmen folks, that secondary team is coached by a Dad. The roster changes every tourney. It consists of Tmen players, LE players, BBL players, Step players and even Upper level guys. They are 9-0 and currently ranked in the 20s separately.

Yes it would not be right for us to use those scores for our rankings whether it helps us or hurts us considering that team is a combo of all those different clubs.

That can be validated by the 2 championship photos they have won. You can see the different helmets of the different players.

The fact that you are bringing up “rankings” shows that your new to this world. I sympathize with you for your lack of knowledge, but it will come with time.

What high school are the Tmen all going too?

Mtn Lakes, Summit, SHP, DB, BC mainly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the Towermen fiasco with the World Series? Are you referring to the fact that they didn’t qualify?

Had a hard time without the holdbacks. Lost and did not make the event. Went crying and begged there way in, not sure how? BBL made it on there merit.

World Series - Day 3 - Towermen 12 BBl 3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the Towermen fiasco with the World Series? Are you referring to the fact that they didn’t qualify?

Had a hard time without the holdbacks. Lost and did not make the event. Went crying and begged there way in, not sure how? BBL made it on there merit.

2026 BBL is irrelevant. Sorry but that is the reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series - Day 3 - Towermen 12 BBl 3

Think PP referencing TW loss to BBL in qualifier when TW didn’t qualify for world series.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series - Day 3 - Towermen 12 BBl 3

Ouch.

Is this really true?

BBL and Towermen only played each other once last season (Tmen 12-BBL 3 at the WSYL, so no “hold backs” for either team).

The WSYL was a 24 team tournament. I highly doubt the 1-off-program Towermen were able to force the organizers to drop a team to make room for them. Most likely, a few international teams did not want to travel, due to Covid, so the organizers went through their list to fill the 24 spots.

Time to move forward. Best of luck to all NJ teams in the 2022 season!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best part of Leading Edge is asking 2 2026 lacrosse players to play on their 2027 team even though they actually did not change grades. “Reclassing in lacrosse only”… heck yeah…Sharpening iron right there.

Lots of LE folks on this board. Can anyone confirm if this is true?

I'm not a fan of holdbacks, but it's not against the rules so I don't complain. That is assuming that you're actually reclassed in school. If these kids were in 8th grade this year and played in a 2027 tourney this weekend, that's wrong.

What's the scoop LE folks?

Is this true?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best part of Leading Edge is asking 2 2026 lacrosse players to play on their 2027 team even though they actually did not change grades. “Reclassing in lacrosse only”… heck yeah…Sharpening iron right there.

Lots of LE folks on this board. Can anyone confirm if this is true?

I'm not a fan of holdbacks, but it's not against the rules so I don't complain. That is assuming that you're actually reclassed in school. If these kids were in 8th grade this year and played in a 2027 tourney this weekend, that's wrong.

What's the scoop LE folks?

Is this true?

Unfortunately, yes.

2026 NJ club dads: chillllllllll. Let the players do the talking on the field of play. No need to bash each other. Best of luck to all the boys!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2026 NJ club dads: chillllllllll. Let the players do the talking on the field of play. No need to bash each other. Best of luck to all the boys!

👆

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best part of Leading Edge is asking 2 2026 lacrosse players to play on their 2027 team even though they actually did not change grades. “Reclassing in lacrosse only”… heck yeah…Sharpening iron right there.

Lots of LE folks on this board. Can anyone confirm if this is true?

I'm not a fan of holdbacks, but it's not against the rules so I don't complain. That is assuming that you're actually reclassed in school. If these kids were in 8th grade this year and played in a 2027 tourney this weekend, that's wrong.

What's the scoop LE folks?

Is this true?

Unfortunately, yes.

Unlike holdbacks, this actually qualifies as cheating. I don't understand why LE would be cheating to perform a little better in a 7th grade tourney. Doesn't make sense to me

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2026 NJ club dads: chillllllllll. Let the players do the talking on the field of play. No need to bash each other. Best of luck to all the boys!

👆

👆👆

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series - Day 3 - Towermen 12 BBl 3

Think PP referencing TW loss to BBL in qualifier when TW didn’t qualify for world series.

This is true. TM didnt make it by merit to the national series. After they did not qualify for the national event what lever did they pull to get in? And BBL did get into it by qualifying and following the rules. Own it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series - Day 3 - Towermen 12 BBl 3

Think PP referencing TW loss to BBL in qualifier when TW didn’t qualify for world series.

This is true. TM didnt make it by merit to the national series. After they did not qualify for the national event what lever did they pull to get in? And BBL did get into it by qualifying and following the rules. Own it.

Nobody is disputing that they didn’t qualify and nobody cares. But they did do very well at the WS with just 2 losses (Tigers In OT and LIE coach C and they crushed BBL. Facts: BBL 2026 team is now irrelevant and on a downward trajectory. They are a shadow is the team that they were a few years ago. Towermen however keeps getting better with wins against Hawks & DC Express (last week) and LIE coach C & sweetlax (last summer). BBL consistently gets crushed by these teams including Towermen. Nobody gets upset when you bring up last years WS qualifiers but it seems to make you happy to keep learning on that for some weird reason. If it makes you happy, keep doing it but I think you know that BBL and Towermen are in different leagues.

From what I heard, that was a covid year and the 2 Canadian teams could not participate. The WS needed to fill out the field and added the next team up.. 1 from the North - FCA Upstate and 1 more from the East - TM. Why is this still being debated and why is BBL not upset with FCA guys? Did these 2 teams play recently? seems heated

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series - Day 3 - Towermen 12 BBl 3

Think PP referencing TW loss to BBL in qualifier when TW didn’t qualify for world series.

This is true. TM didnt make it by merit to the national series. After they did not qualify for the national event what lever did they pull to get in? And BBL did get into it by qualifying and following the rules. Own it.

who cares!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series - Day 3 - Towermen 12 BBl 3

Think PP referencing TW loss to BBL in qualifier when TW didn’t qualify for world series.

This is true. TM didnt make it by merit to the national series. After they did not qualify for the national event what lever did they pull to get in? And BBL did get into it by qualifying and following the rules. Own it.

Nobody is disputing that they didn’t qualify and nobody cares. But they did do very well at the WS with just 2 losses (Tigers In OT and LIE coach C and they crushed BBL. Facts: BBL 2026 team is now irrelevant and on a downward trajectory. They are a shadow is the team that they were a few years ago. Towermen however keeps getting better with wins against Hawks & DC Express (last week) and LIE coach C & sweetlax (last summer). BBL consistently gets crushed by these teams including Towermen. Nobody gets upset when you bring up last years WS qualifiers but it seems to make you happy to keep learning on that for some weird reason. If it makes you happy, keep doing it but I think you know that BBL and Towermen are in different leagues.

Towermen parents are the best.. you keep this board fun with your 8th-grade pipedreams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series - Day 3 - Towermen 12 BBl 3

Think PP referencing TW loss to BBL in qualifier when TW didn’t qualify for world series.

This is true. TM didnt make it by merit to the national series. After they did not qualify for the national event what lever did they pull to get in? And BBL did get into it by qualifying and following the rules. Own it.

Nobody is disputing that they didn’t qualify and nobody cares. But they did do very well at the WS with just 2 losses (Tigers In OT and LIE coach C and they crushed BBL. Facts: BBL 2026 team is now irrelevant and on a downward trajectory. They are a shadow is the team that they were a few years ago. Towermen however keeps getting better with wins against Hawks & DC Express (last week) and LIE coach C & sweetlax (last summer). BBL consistently gets crushed by these teams including Towermen. Nobody gets upset when you bring up last years WS qualifiers but it seems to make you happy to keep learning on that for some weird reason. If it makes you happy, keep doing it but I think you know that BBL and Towermen are in different leagues.

👆

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series - Day 3 - Towermen 12 BBl 3

Think PP referencing TW loss to BBL in qualifier when TW didn’t qualify for world series.

This is true. TM didnt make it by merit to the national series. After they did not qualify for the national event what lever did they pull to get in? And BBL did get into it by qualifying and following the rules. Own it.

Where are the TW playing this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series - Day 3 - Towermen 12 BBl 3

Think PP referencing TW loss to BBL in qualifier when TW didn’t qualify for world series.

This is true. TM didnt make it by merit to the national series. After they did not qualify for the national event what lever did they pull to get in? And BBL did get into it by qualifying and following the rules. Own it.

Nobody is disputing that they didn’t qualify and nobody cares. But they did do very well at the WS with just 2 losses (Tigers In OT and LIE coach C and they crushed BBL. Facts: BBL 2026 team is now irrelevant and on a downward trajectory. They are a shadow is the team that they were a few years ago. Towermen however keeps getting better with wins against Hawks & DC Express (last week) and LIE coach C & sweetlax (last summer). BBL consistently gets crushed by these teams including Towermen. Nobody gets upset when you bring up last years WS qualifiers but it seems to make you happy to keep learning on that for some weird reason. If it makes you happy, keep doing it but I think you know that BBL and Towermen are in different leagues.

Towermen parents are the best.. you keep this board fun with your 8th-grade pipedreams.

Let’s see about pipe dreams on Sept 1 2024.

We are BBL parents so aggressively protecting an organization that was valued at over $10M. They are wasting time throwing dirt and the owners are cashing checks. Just play some lacrosse and have some fun. Organizations are getting rich selling hopes and dreams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are BBL parents so aggressively protecting an organization that was valued at over $10M. They are wasting time throwing dirt and the owners are cashing checks. Just play some lacrosse and have some fun. Organizations are getting rich selling hopes and dreams.

👆

LE has been and will continue to be the best program in NJ. Have a nice weekend. Go New Jersey.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL and Towermen only played each other once last season (Tmen 12-BBL 3 at the WSYL, so no “hold backs” for either team).

The WSYL was a 24 team tournament. I highly doubt the 1-off-program Towermen were able to force the organizers to drop a team to make room for them. Most likely, a few international teams did not want to travel, due to Covid, so the organizers went through their list to fill the 24 spots.

Time to move forward. Best of luck to all NJ teams in the 2022 season!

That’s exactly what happened though. I heard the same crying was happening on the sidelines of the TM playoff game from the parents last weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are BBL parents so aggressively protecting an organization that was valued at over $10M. They are wasting time throwing dirt and the owners are cashing checks. Just play some lacrosse and have some fun. Organizations are getting rich selling hopes and dreams.

Bbl=Walmart of club lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series - Day 3 - Towermen 12 BBl 3

Think PP referencing TW loss to BBL in qualifier when TW didn’t qualify for world series.

This is true. TM didnt make it by merit to the national series. After they did not qualify for the national event what lever did they pull to get in? And BBL did get into it by qualifying and following the rules. Own it.

Where are the TW playing this weekend?

What is TW?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series - Day 3 - Towermen 12 BBl 3

Think PP referencing TW loss to BBL in qualifier when TW didn’t qualify for world series.

This is true. TM didnt make it by merit to the national series. After they did not qualify for the national event what lever did they pull to get in? And BBL did get into it by qualifying and following the rules. Own it.

Nobody is disputing that they didn’t qualify and nobody cares. But they did do very well at the WS with just 2 losses (Tigers In OT and LIE coach C and they crushed BBL. Facts: BBL 2026 team is now irrelevant and on a downward trajectory. They are a shadow is the team that they were a few years ago. Towermen however keeps getting better with wins against Hawks & DC Express (last week) and LIE coach C & sweetlax (last summer). BBL consistently gets crushed by these teams including Towermen. Nobody gets upset when you bring up last years WS qualifiers but it seems to make you happy to keep learning on that for some weird reason. If it makes you happy, keep doing it but I think you know that BBL and Towermen are in different leagues.

This TW seems to care. Care a lot.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series - Day 3 - Towermen 12 BBl 3

Think PP referencing TW loss to BBL in qualifier when TW didn’t qualify for world series.

This is true. TM didnt make it by merit to the national series. After they did not qualify for the national event what lever did they pull to get in? And BBL did get into it by qualifying and following the rules. Own it.

Nobody is disputing that they didn’t qualify and nobody cares. But they did do very well at the WS with just 2 losses (Tigers In OT and LIE coach C and they crushed BBL. Facts: BBL 2026 team is now irrelevant and on a downward trajectory. They are a shadow is the team that they were a few years ago. Towermen however keeps getting better with wins against Hawks & DC Express (last week) and LIE coach C & sweetlax (last summer). BBL consistently gets crushed by these teams including Towermen. Nobody gets upset when you bring up last years WS qualifiers but it seems to make you happy to keep learning on that for some weird reason. If it makes you happy, keep doing it but I think you know that BBL and Towermen are in different leagues.

This TW seems to care. Care a lot.....

NJ teams, let’s root for other NJ Teams and not troll each other anonymously.

Pretty funny that BBL won the division at Millon. Towermen did not win the division at Millon. TM came in third and lost to 91MD, almost lost to NTX. Not sure there will be spots anymore for TM at LE or BBL. TM looking for BBL life vests at dinner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty funny that BBL won the division at Millon. Towermen did not win the division at Millon. TM came in third and lost to 91MD, almost lost to NTX. Not sure there will be spots anymore for TM at LE or BBL. TM looking for BBL life vests at dinner.

Ha TM tried to troll LE and BBL. Now TM lose and BBL and LE win. Bye bye TM, better get on LE before there are no spots left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty funny that BBL won the division at Millon. Towermen did not win the division at Millon. TM came in third and lost to 91MD, almost lost to NTX. Not sure there will be spots anymore for TM at LE or BBL. TM looking for BBL life vests at dinner.

Ha TM tried to troll LE and BBL. Now TM lose and BBL and LE win. Bye bye TM, better get on LE before there are no spots left.

Hats off to BBL. Great OT win today vs TM. Great effort by both teams. Lots of parity at this age group in NJ. No clear best in NJ. Would love to see BBL vs LE and TM vs LE. Best guess is all three can beat each other on any given Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty funny that BBL won the division at Millon. Towermen did not win the division at Millon. TM came in third and lost to 91MD, almost lost to NTX. Not sure there will be spots anymore for TM at LE or BBL. TM looking for BBL life vests at dinner.

Ha TM tried to troll LE and BBL. Now TM lose and BBL and LE win. Bye bye TM, better get on LE before there are no spots left.

Hats off to BBL. Great OT win today vs TM. Great effort by both teams. Lots of parity at this age group in NJ. No clear best in NJ. Would love to see BBL vs LE and TM vs LE. Best guess is all three can beat each other on any given Sunday.

LE best program in state.

BBL look decent?[/quote]

BBL weakest of the 3 for the 2026 class.

TMEN and LE I think are a pick ‘em .[/quote]

Twmen sure talk a lot more than they win![/quote]

Yup!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Pretty funny that BBL won the division at Millon. Towermen did not win the division at Millon. TM came in third and lost to 91MD, almost lost to NTX. Not sure there will be spots anymore for TM at LE or BBL. TM looking for BBL life vests at dinner.

Ha TM tried to troll LE and BBL. Now TM lose and BBL and LE win. Bye bye TM, better get on LE before there are no spots left.

Hats off to BBL. Great OT win today vs TM. Great effort by both teams. Lots of parity at this age group in NJ. No clear best in NJ. Would love to see BBL vs LE and TM vs LE. Best guess is all three can beat each other on any given Sunday.[/quote

Nah BBL and LE on top and TW on bottom.

Parity is the key word. Lots of talent in NJ at this level. Let’s be supportive of them all regardless of which team they play for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty funny that BBL won the division at Millon. Towermen did not win the division at Millon. TM came in third and lost to 91MD, almost lost to NTX. Not sure there will be spots anymore for TM at LE or BBL. TM looking for BBL life vests at dinner.

Ha TM tried to troll LE and BBL. Now TM lose and BBL and LE win. Bye bye TM, better get on LE before there are no spots left.

Hats off to BBL. Great OT win today vs TM. Great effort by both teams. Lots of parity at this age group in NJ. No clear best in NJ. Would love to see BBL vs LE and TM vs LE. Best guess is all three can beat each other on any given Sunday.

LE best program in state.

Sorry TM can't troll BBL and LE, lose to BBL and 91, and not eat crow. Question now is will Steps or Roar beat TM?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Pretty funny that BBL won the division at Millon. Towermen did not win the division at Millon. TM came in third and lost to 91MD, almost lost to NTX. Not sure there will be spots anymore for TM at LE or BBL. TM looking for BBL life vests at dinner.

Ha TM tried to troll LE and BBL. Now TM lose and BBL and LE win. Bye bye TM, better get on LE before there are no spots left.

Hats off to BBL. Great OT win today vs TM. Great effort by both teams. Lots of parity at this age group in NJ. No clear best in NJ. Would love to see BBL vs LE and TM vs LE. Best guess is all three can beat each other on any given Sunday.[/quote

Nah BBL and LE on top and TW on bottom.

Maybe so but let’s root for each other at national tournaments. Lots of NJ talent out there!

Where is the BBL 23 and 24 chatter? No where to be found today. That 2024 team lost 9-2 to a team that LE absolutely destroyed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty funny that BBL won the division at Millon. Towermen did not win the division at Millon. TM came in third and lost to 91MD, almost lost to NTX. Not sure there will be spots anymore for TM at LE or BBL. TM looking for BBL life vests at dinner.

Ha TM tried to troll LE and BBL. Now TM lose and BBL and LE win. Bye bye TM, better get on LE before there are no spots left.

Hats off to BBL. Great OT win today vs TM. Great effort by both teams. Lots of parity at this age group in NJ. No clear best in NJ. Would love to see BBL vs LE and TM vs LE. Best guess is all three can beat each other on any given Sunday.

LE best program in state.

Sorry TM can't troll BBL and LE, lose to BBL and 91, and not eat crow. Question now is will Steps or Roar beat TM?

Steps solid squad.....definitely chance to beat TM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty funny that BBL won the division at Millon. Towermen did not win the division at Millon. TM came in third and lost to 91MD, almost lost to NTX. Not sure there will be spots anymore for TM at LE or BBL. TM looking for BBL life vests at dinner.

Ha TM tried to troll LE and BBL. Now TM lose and BBL and LE win. Bye bye TM, better get on LE before there are no spots left.

Hats off to BBL. Great OT win today vs TM. Great effort by both teams. Lots of parity at this age group in NJ. No clear best in NJ. Would love to see BBL vs LE and TM vs LE. Best guess is all three can beat each other on any given Sunday.

LE best program in state.

Sorry TM can't troll BBL and LE, lose to BBL and 91, and not eat crow. Question now is will Steps or Roar beat TM?

Steps solid squad.....definitely chance to beat TM

4 TW parents just asked for Roy's number.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty funny that BBL won the division at Millon. Towermen did not win the division at Millon. TM came in third and lost to 91MD, almost lost to NTX. Not sure there will be spots anymore for TM at LE or BBL. TM looking for BBL life vests at dinner.

Ha TM tried to troll LE and BBL. Now TM lose and BBL and LE win. Bye bye TM, better get on LE before there are no spots left.

Hats off to BBL. Great OT win today vs TM. Great effort by both teams. Lots of parity at this age group in NJ. No clear best in NJ. Would love to see BBL vs LE and TM vs LE. Best guess is all three can beat each other on any given Sunday.

LE best program in state.

Sorry TM can't troll BBL and LE, lose to BBL and 91, and not eat crow. Question now is will Steps or Roar beat TM?

Steps solid squad.....definitely chance to beat TM

Totally. Steps is elite this year. Best Nj 2026 clubs in order:
Steps
LE
Bbl
Riot
Bluestar
3D garden state
Upper level
Towermen

New top 10ish:
LIE
Tigers
Sweetlax
Hawks
3D NE
LE
Mohicans
LXC
91 MD
BBL
Towermen
NXT
DC Express

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New top 10ish:
LIE
Tigers
Sweetlax
Hawks
3D NE
LE
Mohicans
LXC
91 MD
BBL
Towermen
NXT
DC Express

Express North above Mohicans

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New top 10ish:
LIE
Tigers
Sweetlax
Hawks
3D NE
LE
Mohicans
LXC
91 MD
BBL
Towermen
NXT
DC Express

Express North above Mohicans

Crabs????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New top 10ish:
LIE
Tigers
Sweetlax
Hawks
3D NE
LE
Mohicans
LXC
91 MD
BBL
Towermen
NXT
DC Express

Express North above Mohicans

Crabs????

Above hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New top 10ish:
LIE
Tigers
Sweetlax
Hawks
3D NE
LE
Mohicans
LXC
91 MD
BBL
Towermen
NXT
DC Express

Express North above Mohicans

Crabs????

Above hawks

TM going beserker

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New top 10ish:
LIE
Tigers
Sweetlax
Hawks
3D NE
LE
Mohicans
LXC
91 MD
BBL
Towermen
NXT
DC Express

Express North above Mohicans

Crabs????

Above hawks

TM going beserker

In the Old Norse written corpus, berserker were those who were said to have fought in a trance-like fury, a characteristic which later gave rise to the modern English word berserk (meaning "furiously violent or out of control"). Berserkers are attested to in numerous Old Norse sources.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New top 10ish:
LIE
Tigers
Sweetlax
Hawks
3D NE
LE
Mohicans
LXC
91 MD
BBL
Towermen
NXT
DC Express

Express North above Mohicans

Crabs????

Above hawks

TM going beserker

Okay 2026 is a week year nationally talent wise if you have 3 NJ teams in the top 10 any year. Towermen should eat crow on this message board. Towermen beating the Predators by 1 is worse than losing to BBL by 1 in overtime. I am sure Towermen will say star players had graduation practice all weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New top 10ish:
LIE
Tigers
Sweetlax
Hawks
3D NE
LE
Mohicans
LXC
91 MD
BBL
Towermen
NXT
DC Express

Express North above Mohicans

Crabs????

Above hawks

TM going beserker

Okay 2026 is a week year nationally talent wise if you have 3 NJ teams in the top 10 any year. Towermen should eat crow on this message board. Towermen beating the Predators by 1 is worse than losing to BBL by 1 in overtime. I am sure Towermen will say star players had graduation practice all weekend.

Nah. Same team that beat the Hawks 6-2 a few hours earlier.

Run (do not walk) to LE if you can make the team your Freshman year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Run (do not walk) to LE if you can make the team your Freshman year.

Top four already committed to BBL at dinner last weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Run (do not walk) to LE if you can make the team your Freshman year.

Top four already committed to BBL at dinner last weekend.

Nope. Didn’t happen and ain’t happening.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is the BBL 23 and 24 chatter? No where to be found today. That 2024 team lost 9-2 to a team that LE absolutely destroyed.

I guess that the 2023's moving to 2024 didn't help either team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is the BBL 23 and 24 chatter? No where to be found today. That 2024 team lost 9-2 to a team that LE absolutely destroyed.

I guess that the 2023's moving to 2024 didn't help either team

Silence on BBL Instagram as well and just highlights. No fist pumping yet this summer season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is the BBL 23 and 24 chatter? No where to be found today. That 2024 team lost 9-2 to a team that LE absolutely destroyed.

I guess that the 2023's moving to 2024 didn't help either team

Silence on BBL Instagram as well and just highlights. No fist pumping yet this summer season.

Not connected to either 2024 team but both teams went 4-1 in the tourney. One win or loss does not define anything.

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

Recruiting Director from Riot left to join BBL. Good pickup for BBL? What’s this mean for Riot?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

2027: BBL lost to Madlax in finals 5-3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

Towermommy back to her bragging ways. To bad all your top players committed at LE and BBL already for next year when you lost to BBL at Naptown?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

Towermommy back to her bragging ways. To bad all your top players committed at LE and BBL already for next year when you lost to BBL at Naptown?

Did the top players from Towerman actually give oral commitments to move to BBL and LE or is this just being funny. I am not involved with Towerman but I have been following this on this forum and am curious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

Towermommy back to her bragging ways. To bad all your top players committed at LE and BBL already for next year when you lost to BBL at Naptown?

Did the top players from Towerman actually give oral commitments to move to BBL and LE or is this just being funny. I am not involved with Towerman but I have been following this on this forum and am curious.

Nah just a troll. The team is staying together. This was the same rumor from last summer. Not one starter has left this team in the last 3 years. No reason to. Highest ranked 2026 team in NJ for that last 3 years and will be again this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

Towermommy back to her bragging ways. To bad all your top players committed at LE and BBL already for next year when you lost to BBL at Naptown?

Did the top players from Towerman actually give oral commitments to move to BBL and LE or is this just being funny. I am not involved with Towerman but I have been following this on this forum and am curious.

Nah just a troll. The team is staying together. This was the same rumor from last summer. Not one starter has left this team in the last 3 years. No reason to. Highest ranked 2026 team in NJ for that last 3 years and will be again this year.

Good....stay together....the grass is not greener.....you will get recruited on any team your on....scouts are at just about every tournament and if your kid is really good the best schools will be calling...you don't need a particular club to get you into any certain school....every club in NJ has gotten kids into almost every college at some point....good luck staying together though because it will be tough....club directors will be promising you the world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

Towermommy back to her bragging ways. To bad all your top players committed at LE and BBL already for next year when you lost to BBL at Naptown?

Did the top players from Towerman actually give oral commitments to move to BBL and LE or is this just being funny. I am not involved with Towerman but I have been following this on this forum and am curious.

Nah just a troll. The team is staying together. This was the same rumor from last summer. Not one starter has left this team in the last 3 years. No reason to. Highest ranked 2026 team in NJ for that last 3 years and will be again this year.

Good....stay together....the grass is not greener.....you will get recruited on any team your on....scouts are at just about every tournament and if your kid is really good the best schools will be calling...you don't need a particular club to get you into any certain school....every club in NJ has gotten kids into almost every college at some point....good luck staying together though because it will be tough....club directors will be promising you the world.

👆

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

Towermommy back to her bragging ways. To bad all your top players committed at LE and BBL already for next year when you lost to BBL at Naptown?

Did the top players from Towerman actually give oral commitments to move to BBL and LE or is this just being funny. I am not involved with Towerman but I have been following this on this forum and am curious.

Nah just a troll. The team is staying together. This was the same rumor from last summer. Not one starter has left this team in the last 3 years. No reason to. Highest ranked 2026 team in NJ for that last 3 years and will be again this year.

Its tryout season baby. All rumors and nonsense happen for the next month. Every year they say the same thing on the Towermen. August hits and silence. Rumors disappear like a fart in the wind.

Everyone that matters is back on the team next year. Everyone knows colleges only look at players on the best club teams. The best players stay on the best teams to get recruited. It is not hard. If you are on a bad team, best to try and make the good team.

Does Towermen have any other teams? If not, just know that your “club” may not have the connections/pull needed to get your kid into top recruiting showcases. Just something to think about as tryout season approaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

Towermommy back to her bragging ways. To bad all your top players committed at LE and BBL already for next year when you lost to BBL at Naptown?

Did the top players from Towerman actually give oral commitments to move to BBL and LE or is this just being funny. I am not involved with Towerman but I have been following this on this forum and am curious.

Nah just a troll. The team is staying together. This was the same rumor from last summer. Not one starter has left this team in the last 3 years. No reason to. Highest ranked 2026 team in NJ for that last 3 years and will be again this year.

Its tryout season baby. All rumors and nonsense happen for the next month. Every year they say the same thing on the Towermen. August hits and silence. Rumors disappear like a fart in the wind.

Everyone that matters is back on the team next year. Everyone knows colleges only look at players on the best club teams. The best players stay on the best teams to get recruited. It is not hard. If you are on a bad team, best to try and make the good team.

I'm not sure what your trying to say here. Your indicating colleges only look at the best club teams, which is completely inaccurate as they look for the best players on all teams. Even the NXT Tournaments, which are mid level, have 100 schools at the tournaments. The first wave of 300 commits is easy for colleges. Its all the kids who are outright studs and they are well known in each of their respective states. Its the second wave where they want to find the right people for the right fit and who are good enough to play at the collegiate level.

Lastly, maybe you just got your words twisted; your implied your on Towerman, which is not one of the best club teams. Its only one team and no full club. Your belittling your own team.

For LE 2026 do you think they already know who they want before a tryout? Or is the callback for real? Does my kid have a shot coming from not bbl black?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For LE 2026 do you think they already know who they want before a tryout? Or is the callback for real? Does my kid have a shot coming from not bbl black?

If he got called back for that age I would think he has a shot. If you said 2024 or 2025, it would be a little different I am sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

All teams are solid. The same BBL team that went 1-4 this week, beat the Towermen team that made the finals, weeks ago. LE seems pretty consistent and probably seperates themselves in years to come like they usually do.

Towermommy back to her bragging ways. To bad all your top players committed at LE and BBL already for next year when you lost to BBL at Naptown?[/quote]

Did the top players from Towerman actually give oral commitments to move to BBL and LE or is this just being funny. I am not involved with Towerman but I have been following this on this forum and am curious.[/quote]

Nah just a troll. The team is staying together. This was the same rumor from last summer. Not one starter has left this team in the last 3 years. No reason to. Highest ranked 2026 team in NJ for that last 3 years and will be again this year.[/quote]

Its tryout season baby. All rumors and nonsense happen for the next month. Every year they say the same thing on the Towermen. August hits and silence. Rumors disappear like a fart in the wind.

Everyone that matters is back on the team next year. Everyone knows colleges only look at players on the best club teams. The best players stay on the best teams to get recruited. It is not hard. If you are on a bad team, best to try and make the good team.[/quote]

I'm not sure what your trying to say here. Your indicating colleges only look at the best club teams, which is completely inaccurate as they look for the best players on all teams. Even the NXT Tournaments, which are mid level, have 100 schools at the tournaments. The first wave of 300 commits is easy for colleges. Its all the kids who are outright studs and they are well known in each of their respective states. Its the second wave where they want to find the right people for the right fit and who are good enough to play at the collegiate level.

Lastly, maybe you just got your words twisted; your implied your on Towerman, which is not one of the best club teams. Its only one team and no full club. Your belittling your own team.[/quote]

Towermen are eight in country. Makes them one of best clubs. Called reading and math.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Towermommy back to her bragging ways. To bad all your top players committed at LE and BBL already for next year when you lost to BBL at Naptown?

Did the top players from Towerman actually give oral commitments to move to BBL and LE or is this just being funny. I am not involved with Towerman but I have been following this on this forum and am curious.[/quote]

Nah just a troll. The team is staying together. This was the same rumor from last summer. Not one starter has left this team in the last 3 years. No reason to. Highest ranked 2026 team in NJ for that last 3 years and will be again this year.[/quote]

Its tryout season baby. All rumors and nonsense happen for the next month. Every year they say the same thing on the Towermen. August hits and silence. Rumors disappear like a fart in the wind.

Everyone that matters is back on the team next year. Everyone knows colleges only look at players on the best club teams. The best players stay on the best teams to get recruited. It is not hard. If you are on a bad team, best to try and make the good team.[/quote]

I'm not sure what your trying to say here. Your indicating colleges only look at the best club teams, which is completely inaccurate as they look for the best players on all teams. Even the NXT Tournaments, which are mid level, have 100 schools at the tournaments. The first wave of 300 commits is easy for colleges. Its all the kids who are outright studs and they are well known in each of their respective states. Its the second wave where they want to find the right people for the right fit and who are good enough to play at the collegiate level.

Lastly, maybe you just got your words twisted; your implied your on Towerman, which is not one of the best club teams. Its only one team and no full club. Your belittling your own team.[/quote]

Towermen are eight in country. Makes them one of best clubs. Called reading and math.[/quote]

Is it just me or is Towerman taking over LE as the villain on this message board???

It is so easy to troll Towermen because they are the highest ranked 2026 team in NJ (again), have great multi-sport kids and awesome coaches, went 21-5 this season, and all this for less than half the cost of BBL and LE. And we will know in approximately 2 years and 2 months which of of the three NJ teams will have the most top 25 D1 recruits. Until then, let the haters continue hating. When the trolls reply to this, please don’t forget to remind us that we lost to BBL at Millon and didn’t qualify for the World Series last summer. That really really upsets us when you do that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is so easy to troll Towermen because they are the highest ranked 2026 team in NJ (again), have great multi-sport kids and awesome coaches, went 21-5 this season, and all this for less than half the cost of BBL and LE. And we will know in approximately 2 years and 2 months which of of the three NJ teams will have the most top 25 D1 recruits. Until then, let the haters continue hating. When the trolls reply to this, please don’t forget to remind us that we lost to BBL at Millon and didn’t qualify for the World Series last summer. That really really upsets us when you do that.

8th-grade lacrosse. you have a long way to go.

How many kids were at the callback?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

All teams are solid. The same BBL team that went 1-4 this week, beat the Towermen team that made the finals, weeks ago. LE seems pretty consistent and probably seperates themselves in years to come like they usually do.

Lots of talent at the 2026 level in NJ. If you took the best 16 players from those three teams you could give the 16 best players in MD a run for their money. Maybe not LI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

All teams are solid. The same BBL team that went 1-4 this week, beat the Towermen team that made the finals, weeks ago. LE seems pretty consistent and probably seperates themselves in years to come like they usually do.

Lots of talent at the 2026 level in NJ. If you took the best 16 players from those three teams you could give the 16 best players in MD a run for their money. Maybe not LI.

You are 100% an 8th-grade parent. LI and MD ring the dinner bell and the kids are running home with their lacrosse sticks. NJ kids are coming home from the beach and have a football, hockey stick, or basketball in their hands.
If you look at the 2022 and 2023 classes NJ might have 1 or 2 players in the top 50. Not saying NJ doesn't have talent but you need to slow down, the top 16 players in MD and LI would beat NJ top 16 players 10 out of 10 times. It's just a different level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

All teams are solid. The same BBL team that went 1-4 this week, beat the Towermen team that made the finals, weeks ago. LE seems pretty consistent and probably seperates themselves in years to come like they usually do.

Lots of talent at the 2026 level in NJ. If you took the best 16 players from those three teams you could give the 16 best players in MD a run for their money. Maybe not LI.

You are 100% an 8th-grade parent. LI and MD ring the dinner bell and the kids are running home with their lacrosse sticks. NJ kids are coming home from the beach and have a football, hockey stick, or basketball in their hands.
If you look at the 2022 and 2023 classes NJ might have 1 or 2 players in the top 50. Not saying NJ doesn't have talent but you need to slow down, the top 16 players in MD and LI would beat NJ top 16 players 10 out of 10 times. It's just a different level.

Correct and you most definitely are not. 2026 is not 2022 or 2023. I’m talking about 2026 kids right now, not in three years. Crabs, DC Express, and Hawks have the best talent in MD right now and I’m saying if you take the best 16 players from those three teams and put them against the best 16 players from our best three teams you will have a tight game this summer. In a few years things might be different, but if you know actually know the 2026 talent pool you would probably agree with me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

All teams are solid. The same BBL team that went 1-4 this week, beat the Towermen team that made the finals, weeks ago. LE seems pretty consistent and probably seperates themselves in years to come like they usually do.

Lots of talent at the 2026 level in NJ. If you took the best 16 players from those three teams you could give the 16 best players in MD a run for their money. Maybe not LI.

You are 100% an 8th-grade parent. LI and MD ring the dinner bell and the kids are running home with their lacrosse sticks. NJ kids are coming home from the beach and have a football, hockey stick, or basketball in their hands.
If you look at the 2022 and 2023 classes NJ might have 1 or 2 players in the top 50. Not saying NJ doesn't have talent but you need to slow down, the top 16 players in MD and LI would beat NJ top 16 players 10 out of 10 times. It's just a different level.

Correct and you most definitely are not. 2026 is not 2022 or 2023. I’m talking about 2026 kids right now, not in three years. Crabs, DC Express, and Hawks have the best talent in MD right now and I’m saying if you take the best 16 players from those three teams and put them against the best 16 players from our best three teams you will have a tight game this summer. In a few years things might be different, but if you know actually know the 2026 talent pool you would probably agree with me.

The 2026 LE faceoff kid filled in for the 23 LE team and beat a Harvard commit a couple of times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is so easy to troll Towermen because they are the highest ranked 2026 team in NJ (again), have great multi-sport kids and awesome coaches, went 21-5 this season, and all this for less than half the cost of BBL and LE. And we will know in approximately 2 years and 2 months which of of the three NJ teams will have the most top 25 D1 recruits. Until then, let the haters continue hating. When the trolls reply to this, please don’t forget to remind us that we lost to BBL at Millon and didn’t qualify for the World Series last summer. That really really upsets us when you do that.

8th-grade lacrosse. you have a long way to go.

This is a great response. To the Towerman person posting all this stuff I commend you for what your team has done thus far. However, the boys change so much in the next 18 months. Some kids grow late, some get very muscular and some of the big kids now don't grow enough. That is before you deal with the reclass kids in the other states and the small minority in NJ. I actually hope you guys stay together but anyone who has a kid at the 2024-2022 level have all experienced how kids change and teams change. The 2 superstars on each team will always be the superstars, its everyone else. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is so easy to troll Towermen because they are the highest ranked 2026 team in NJ (again), have great multi-sport kids and awesome coaches, went 21-5 this season, and all this for less than half the cost of BBL and LE. And we will know in approximately 2 years and 2 months which of of the three NJ teams will have the most top 25 D1 recruits. Until then, let the haters continue hating. When the trolls reply to this, please don’t forget to remind us that we lost to BBL at Millon and didn’t qualify for the World Series last summer. That really really upsets us when you do that.

8th-grade lacrosse. you have a long way to go.

This is a great response. To the Towerman person posting all this stuff I commend you for what your team has done thus far. However, the boys change so much in the next 18 months. Some kids grow late, some get very muscular and some of the big kids now don't grow enough. That is before you deal with the reclass kids in the other states and the small minority in NJ. I actually hope you guys stay together but anyone who has a kid at the 2024-2022 level have all experienced how kids change and teams change. The 2 superstars on each team will always be the superstars, its everyone else. Good luck.

From the 2023 perspective...while I am sure that there are many good players on each of these teams, it is very short sighted to simply compare yourselves to the other NJ clubs or the LI and MD clubs. This sport is growing exponentially and the talent is all over the country. Maybe there will be a NJ kid in the top 50 of the recruiting class, but highly unlikely. Spend some time on the list of commits on Inside Lacrosse at the D1 level and high level D3 clubs, they are pulling kids from all over the country. Also, take into consideration the number of kids being recruited at your sons position at each of these schools, the potential opportunities are even narrower. It is an incredibly brutal process, and very hard on the kids. If your kid is lucky enough to get recruited early by a D1 school, be aware that the process is not over, they continue to watch and assess your kid at tournaments until the letter of intent is signed. If you or your son have a connection with a kid playing D1, I would highly recommend siting down and having an honest talk, many of these kids are miserable. Bottom line, careful what you wish for, and keep things in perspective. Most of what you think about the recruiting process is simply wrong, but going through it is the only way to come to this realization. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is so easy to troll Towermen because they are the highest ranked 2026 team in NJ (again), have great multi-sport kids and awesome coaches, went 21-5 this season, and all this for less than half the cost of BBL and LE. And we will know in approximately 2 years and 2 months which of of the three NJ teams will have the most top 25 D1 recruits. Until then, let the haters continue hating. When the trolls reply to this, please don’t forget to remind us that we lost to BBL at Millon and didn’t qualify for the World Series last summer. That really really upsets us when you do that.

8th-grade lacrosse. you have a long way to go.

This is a great response. To the Towerman person posting all this stuff I commend you for what your team has done thus far. However, the boys change so much in the next 18 months. Some kids grow late, some get very muscular and some of the big kids now don't grow enough. That is before you deal with the reclass kids in the other states and the small minority in NJ. I actually hope you guys stay together but anyone who has a kid at the 2024-2022 level have all experienced how kids change and teams change. The 2 superstars on each team will always be the superstars, its everyone else. Good luck.

From the 2023 perspective...while I am sure that there are many good players on each of these teams, it is very short sighted to simply compare yourselves to the other NJ clubs or the LI and MD clubs. This sport is growing exponentially and the talent is all over the country. Maybe there will be a NJ kid in the top 50 of the recruiting class, but highly unlikely. Spend some time on the list of commits on Inside Lacrosse at the D1 level and high level D3 clubs, they are pulling kids from all over the country. Also, take into consideration the number of kids being recruited at your sons position at each of these schools, the potential opportunities are even narrower. It is an incredibly brutal process, and very hard on the kids. If your kid is lucky enough to get recruited early by a D1 school, be aware that the process is not over, they continue to watch and assess your kid at tournaments until the letter of intent is signed. If you or your son have a connection with a kid playing D1, I would highly recommend siting down and having an honest talk, many of these kids are miserable. Bottom line, careful what you wish for, and keep things in perspective. Most of what you think about the recruiting process is simply wrong, but going through it is the only way to come to this realization. Good luck.

Don't forget about grades.. that also limits your kid, can go both ways. Not only from the Ivy's but the other way. Your kid might not be smart enough for Tuffs but too smart for Towson, St Joe or LIU. Then what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is so easy to troll Towermen because they are the highest ranked 2026 team in NJ (again), have great multi-sport kids and awesome coaches, went 21-5 this season, and all this for less than half the cost of BBL and LE. And we will know in approximately 2 years and 2 months which of of the three NJ teams will have the most top 25 D1 recruits. Until then, let the haters continue hating. When the trolls reply to this, please don’t forget to remind us that we lost to BBL at Millon and didn’t qualify for the World Series last summer. That really really upsets us when you do that.

8th-grade lacrosse. you have a long way to go.

This is a great response. To the Towerman person posting all this stuff I commend you for what your team has done thus far. However, the boys change so much in the next 18 months. Some kids grow late, some get very muscular and some of the big kids now don't grow enough. That is before you deal with the reclass kids in the other states and the small minority in NJ. I actually hope you guys stay together but anyone who has a kid at the 2024-2022 level have all experienced how kids change and teams change. The 2 superstars on each team will always be the superstars, its everyone else. Good luck.

From the 2023 perspective...while I am sure that there are many good players on each of these teams, it is very short sighted to simply compare yourselves to the other NJ clubs or the LI and MD clubs. This sport is growing exponentially and the talent is all over the country. Maybe there will be a NJ kid in the top 50 of the recruiting class, but highly unlikely. Spend some time on the list of commits on Inside Lacrosse at the D1 level and high level D3 clubs, they are pulling kids from all over the country. Also, take into consideration the number of kids being recruited at your sons position at each of these schools, the potential opportunities are even narrower. It is an incredibly brutal process, and very hard on the kids. If your kid is lucky enough to get recruited early by a D1 school, be aware that the process is not over, they continue to watch and assess your kid at tournaments until the letter of intent is signed. If you or your son have a connection with a kid playing D1, I would highly recommend siting down and having an honest talk, many of these kids are miserable. Bottom line, careful what you wish for, and keep things in perspective. Most of what you think about the recruiting process is simply wrong, but going through it is the only way to come to this realization. Good luck.

Don't forget about grades.. that also limits your kid, can go both ways. Not only from the Ivy's but the other way. Your kid might not be smart enough for Tuffs but too smart for Towson, St Joe or LIU. Then what?

You all don't know what your talking about my 8th grader is going to be a stud

Of course it is early and a lot will happen in the next two years but here is some math for kids who want to make a roster for high level D1 team: let’s say 30 teams are considered “high level” for this example. Each team will typically recruit about 3 players per position plus one fogo, lsm, ssdm, and one goalie so roughly 13 players total. That is about 390 players total probably total getting calls between September 1 and December 31 from a top 30 program. In two years, if you are a top 75 player in your position (A, M, D) or top 25 in a specialist position you have a very good shot of getting recruited by a top 30 program. Kids at this age who think they are at this level now may or may not continue to be at that level and many kids who are not at that level now will be in a few years. This is just the math. There are many other variable like academics which is a huge factor. Two years is a very long time and the things will fall into place for each kid eventually.

I meant let’s see who has more recruits on a top 25 D1 team, not top 25 players. I agree that there will likely be one or two NJ players at most on the top 50 recruits list. The point I was trying to make is that LE tries to poach kids with their recruiting record. You don’t need them if you are a top player. you will get found.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course it is early and a lot will happen in the next two years but here is some math for kids who want to make a roster for high level D1 team: let’s say 30 teams are considered “high level” for this example. Each team will typically recruit about 3 players per position plus one fogo, lsm, ssdm, and one goalie so roughly 13 players total. That is about 390 players total probably total getting calls between September 1 and December 31 from a top 30 program. In two years, if you are a top 75 player in your position (A, M, D) or top 25 in a specialist position you have a very good shot of getting recruited by a top 30 program. Kids at this age who think they are at this level now may or may not continue to be at that level and many kids who are not at that level now will be in a few years. This is just the math. There are many other variable like academics which is a huge factor. Two years is a very long time and the things will fall into place for each kid eventually.

Agreed...would just add that the top 30 teams are always changing and school ratings are regarded differently by each kid or family...I think there is a fairly consistent top 10 and then 50 more teams and then a bottom 10, which totals 70 which is about how many D1 colleges there are....10-15 recruits for each team is like 850/900 recruits a year nationwide....Johns Hopkins has been below 40 the past 3 or 4 years...but people still think its a good lacrosse college...campus is in the middle of a busy city and I personally do not like it but its a high end academic school....Holy Cross is a good school and they went 1-13...just find the right fit campus life and lax wise....the academics are fairly similar for a majority of the schools other than Ivy which NJ only has about 8 kids on Ivy teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course it is early and a lot will happen in the next two years but here is some math for kids who want to make a roster for high level D1 team: let’s say 30 teams are considered “high level” for this example. Each team will typically recruit about 3 players per position plus one fogo, lsm, ssdm, and one goalie so roughly 13 players total. That is about 390 players total probably total getting calls between September 1 and December 31 from a top 30 program. In two years, if you are a top 75 player in your position (A, M, D) or top 25 in a specialist position you have a very good shot of getting recruited by a top 30 program. Kids at this age who think they are at this level now may or may not continue to be at that level and many kids who are not at that level now will be in a few years. This is just the math. There are many other variable like academics which is a huge factor. Two years is a very long time and the things will fall into place for each kid eventually.

Agreed...would just add that the top 30 teams are always changing and school ratings are regarded differently by each kid or family...I think there is a fairly consistent top 10 and then 50 more teams and then a bottom 10, which totals 70 which is about how many D1 colleges there are....10-15 recruits for each team is like 850/900 recruits a year nationwide....Johns Hopkins has been below 40 the past 3 or 4 years...but people still think its a good lacrosse college...campus is in the middle of a busy city and I personally do not like it but its a high end academic school....Holy Cross is a good school and they went 1-13...just find the right fit campus life and lax wise....the academics are fairly similar for a majority of the schools other than Ivy which NJ only has about 8 kids on Ivy teams.

Academics vary among D1 schools. Some just need you to graduate, others expect a continued focus on academics through high school graduation (Ivies, Duke, Virginia, etc.). As far as D3, if you are interested in the NESCAC, they require a final junior-year transcript before anything happens. In regards to the club argument, if your club is playing in higher tier tournaments, there are plenty of opportunities to be seen. Also, be careful of prospect days, they can give a lot of false hope, but they are also a good way to see how your kid stacks up against his peers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I meant let’s see who has more recruits on a top 25 D1 team, not top 25 players. I agree that there will likely be one or two NJ players at most on the top 50 recruits list. The point I was trying to make is that LE tries to poach kids with their recruiting record. You don’t need them if you are a top player. you will get found.

what does LE have to do with your point? If you are the same guy, you started your point by saying the 2026 NJ class was better than LI and MD or could at least play with them. LE has nothing to do with it.

Will really good kids get recruited no matter the club? Yes.

Does LE do a good job of getting most/all kids recruited? Yes.

Poaching is done by all clubs. Certain clubs just tend to attract some of the better players late in the game. It is just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will really good kids get recruited no matter the club? Yes.

Does LE do a good job of getting most/all kids recruited? Yes.

Poaching is done by all clubs. Certain clubs just tend to attract some of the better players late in the game. It is just the way it is.

LE takes poaching to another level. Director direct messaging 14 year olds on other teams. Director asking their parents to call parents of players they want. Not cool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will really good kids get recruited no matter the club? Yes.

Does LE do a good job of getting most/all kids recruited? Yes.

Poaching is done by all clubs. Certain clubs just tend to attract some of the better players late in the game. It is just the way it is.

LE takes poaching to another level. Director direct messaging 14 year olds on other teams. Director asking their parents to call parents of players they want. Not cool.

I think you may be talking about tri-state. I know from experience .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I meant let’s see who has more recruits on a top 25 D1 team, not top 25 players. I agree that there will likely be one or two NJ players at most on the top 50 recruits list. The point I was trying to make is that LE tries to poach kids with their recruiting record. You don’t need them if you are a top player. you will get found.

what does LE have to do with your point? If you are the same guy, you started your point by saying the 2026 NJ class was better than LI and MD or could at least play with them. LE has nothing to do with it.

I think the dude was trying to make one point but had a completely different thought in his head and wrote that about LE. I agree the point had nothing to do about LE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will really good kids get recruited no matter the club? Yes.

Does LE do a good job of getting most/all kids recruited? Yes.

Poaching is done by all clubs. Certain clubs just tend to attract some of the better players late in the game. It is just the way it is.

LE takes poaching to another level. Director direct messaging 14 year olds on other teams. Director asking their parents to call parents of players they want. Not cool.

I think you may be talking about tri-state. I know from experience .

Tristate is good in high school. I think he just shows reality to rising 9th graders. Would you rather be on a team that can give BBL black and LE a run for their money or be stuck on BBL Helix. Central Nj has too many good players to be LE or Bbl black or nothing. You can compete against Bbl blacks Summit/Chatham/Westfield rec kids in high school.

Any recommendations for kids not on LE/ BBL Black and I guess throw in Towermen for the 2026 year. I guess we are talking about STEPS, Riot. any others? Pros/cons. thinking 2026 year so kids will grow and change a lot by this time next year, but next year have to be on the right year for the following year. Still crazy. I say a kid I haven't seen in town recently and wouldn't have even recognized him. they change so much in the next 1-2 years...but the kids are locked in to these teams regardless it seems.

These are ultra competitive national programs. They are striving to be the best in the country. Creating a top team in the country helps the program AND the families on the team as they can now play in more competitive tourneys in front of elite college coaches.

To achieve this goal you HAVE to be recruiting (poaching if you prefer) the best players in the area. This also means that they need to cut the kids at the bottom of the roster each year. While unpleasant, this is necessary.

Don't detest the program (LE/TS/BBL), detest the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any recommendations for kids not on LE/ BBL Black and I guess throw in Towermen for the 2026 year. I guess we are talking about STEPS, Riot. any others? Pros/cons. thinking 2026 year so kids will grow and change a lot by this time next year, but next year have to be on the right year for the following year. Still crazy. I say a kid I haven't seen in town recently and wouldn't have even recognized him. they change so much in the next 1-2 years...but the kids are locked in to these teams regardless it seems.

Tri-State is a great LE/BBL alternative at the HS level. 23's have 10+ D1 commits and play in the best tourneys. Their 24 team is also very strong. Not sure about the 25 and 26, but definitely worth looking into the program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

All teams are solid. The same BBL team that went 1-4 this week, beat the Towermen team that made the finals, weeks ago. LE seems pretty consistent and probably seperates themselves in years to come like they usually do.

Lots of talent at the 2026 level in NJ. If you took the best 16 players from those three teams you could give the 16 best players in MD a run for their money. Maybe not LI.

2026 year is weaker countrywide and that is why so many 2025s reclassed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

All teams are solid. The same BBL team that went 1-4 this week, beat the Towermen team that made the finals, weeks ago. LE seems pretty consistent and probably seperates themselves in years to come like they usually do.

Lots of talent at the 2026 level in NJ. If you took the best 16 players from those three teams you could give the 16 best players in MD a run for their money. Maybe not LI.

2026 year is weaker countrywide and that is why so many 2025s reclassed

Probably 3 on LE and 3 on Towermen and 1 or 0 from bbl.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

All teams are solid. The same BBL team that went 1-4 this week, beat the Towermen team that made the finals, weeks ago. LE seems pretty consistent and probably seperates themselves in years to come like they usually do.

Lots of talent at the 2026 level in NJ. If you took the best 16 players from those three teams you could give the 16 best players in MD a run for their money. Maybe not LI.

2026 year is weaker countrywide and that is why so many 2025s reclassed

And you would know that how?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These are ultra competitive national programs. They are striving to be the best in the country. Creating a top team in the country helps the program AND the families on the team as they can now play in more competitive tourneys in front of elite college coaches.

To achieve this goal you HAVE to be recruiting (poaching if you prefer) the best players in the area. This also means that they need to cut the kids at the bottom of the roster each year. While unpleasant, this is necessary.

Don't detest the program (LE/TS/BBL), detest the game.

Not to bash LE but I am going to say a know fact: they will add players to their team all the time thru high school and then carry over 30 kids on one team with a good portion of them not getting enough playing time. They will play their 12 best all the time to get them highlighted and committed. Ask most of the 2024 parents, they will tell you. They have 7-8 attackman, 13 middies and 7/8 close defenders. The kids and parents are all upset. Be very careful when you leave your club after 8th grade.

What about STEPS?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello in here, anybody home?

Very quiet

Primetime Invitational 2026 Division:
Towermen 4-1 (lost to hawks 5-3 in finals)
LE 3-2 (didn’t advance to bracket)
BBL 1-4

All teams are solid. The same BBL team that went 1-4 this week, beat the Towermen team that made the finals, weeks ago. LE seems pretty consistent and probably seperates themselves in years to come like they usually do.

Lots of talent at the 2026 level in NJ. If you took the best 16 players from those three teams you could give the 16 best players in MD a run for their money. Maybe not LI.

2026 year is weaker countrywide and that is why so many 2025s reclassed

And you would know that how?

My son was 2020

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is so easy to troll Towermen because they are the highest ranked 2026 team in NJ (again), have great multi-sport kids and awesome coaches, went 21-5 this season, and all this for less than half the cost of BBL and LE. And we will know in approximately 2 years and 2 months which of of the three NJ teams will have the most top 25 D1 recruits. Until then, let the haters continue hating. When the trolls reply to this, please don’t forget to remind us that we lost to BBL at Millon and didn’t qualify for the World Series last summer. That really really upsets us when you do that.

8th-grade lacrosse. you have a long way to go.

This is a great response. To the Towerman person posting all this stuff I commend you for what your team has done thus far. However, the boys change so much in the next 18 months. Some kids grow late, some get very muscular and some of the big kids now don't grow enough. That is before you deal with the reclass kids in the other states and the small minority in NJ. I actually hope you guys stay together but anyone who has a kid at the 2024-2022 level have all experienced how kids change and teams change. The 2 superstars on each team will always be the superstars, its everyone else. Good luck.

From the 2023 perspective...while I am sure that there are many good players on each of these teams, it is very short sighted to simply compare yourselves to the other NJ clubs or the LI and MD clubs. This sport is growing exponentially and the talent is all over the country. Maybe there will be a NJ kid in the top 50 of the recruiting class, but highly unlikely. Spend some time on the list of commits on Inside Lacrosse at the D1 level and high level D3 clubs, they are pulling kids from all over the country. Also, take into consideration the number of kids being recruited at your sons position at each of these schools, the potential opportunities are even narrower. It is an incredibly brutal process, and very hard on the kids. If your kid is lucky enough to get recruited early by a D1 school, be aware that the process is not over, they continue to watch and assess your kid at tournaments until the letter of intent is signed. If you or your son have a connection with a kid playing D1, I would highly recommend siting down and having an honest talk, many of these kids are miserable. Bottom line, careful what you wish for, and keep things in perspective. Most of what you think about the recruiting process is simply wrong, but going through it is the only way to come to this realization. Good luck.

Don't forget about grades.. that also limits your kid, can go both ways. Not only from the Ivy's but the other way. Your kid might not be smart enough for Tuffs but too smart for Towson, St Joe or LIU. Then what?

Then go to a high academic D3 school. Much better off there than over 50% of D1 lax schools

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

Why is that such a surprise, they are a talented team, especially with the addition of the 2023s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

Why is that such a surprise, they are a talented team, especially with the addition of the 2023s

I am not surprised. LE Highschool teams are strongest. I am hearing rumblings that there will be even more really talented players leaving current clubs to play LE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

Why is that such a surprise, they are a talented team, especially with the addition of the 2023s

They are much improved. Not a very good team previously. Who’s new? Just the 23 reclasses?

Why are key players at BBL leaving the program in High School year after year?

It depends on the kid. Jersey express is good, jersey thunder and 3D graden state (they are trying to bolster their 2026 team).3D has a national team. All of those ranked decently and I hear have good coaching. If you are looking at a club just for college your son ius hood he can get recruited from most clubs. Is your son at a competitive lacrosse high school?

They are good too. A positive is that they don’t have a long tournament season. If your kid place a fall HS sport they get a summer. I know people happy there.

Good not hood.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

Why is that such a surprise, they are a talented team, especially with the addition of the 2023s

They are much improved. Not a very good team previously. Who’s new? Just the 23 reclasses?

The goalie and defender they outright poached from BBL for the sole reason of making BBL a little weaker which worked. They had no reason to leave and would have got recruited at the same level at BBL. Outright poaching is disgraceful. They added a few other kids too. They also have like 6 or 7 reclass kids getting a lot of playing time. Most of the other 2024 clubs in NJ have none, I actually don't know of any on like the next 7 top clubs.

In response to what other 2026 teams and asking about steps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

Why is that such a surprise, they are a talented team, especially with the addition of the 2023s

They are much improved. Not a very good team previously. Who’s new? Just the 23 reclasses?

The goalie and defender they outright poached from BBL for the sole reason of making BBL a little weaker which worked. They had no reason to leave and would have got recruited at the same level at BBL. Outright poaching is disgraceful. They added a few other kids too. They also have like 6 or 7 reclass kids getting a lot of playing time. Most of the other 2024 clubs in NJ have none, I actually don't know of any on like the next 7 top clubs.

Their giant attack #23 is a beast. Poached reclass I assume.

Clubs cut kids so I think ok for kids to leave if another club approaches them. Would be nice if loyalty is rewarded!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs cut kids so I think ok for kids to leave if another club approaches them. Would be nice if loyalty is rewarded!

BBL has not cut kids at the high school level and I do not think many do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

Why is that such a surprise, they are a talented team, especially with the addition of the 2023s

They are much improved. Not a very good team previously. Who’s new? Just the 23 reclasses?

The goalie and defender they outright poached from BBL for the sole reason of making BBL a little weaker which worked. They had no reason to leave and would have got recruited at the same level at BBL. Outright poaching is disgraceful. They added a few other kids too. They also have like 6 or 7 reclass kids getting a lot of playing time. Most of the other 2024 clubs in NJ have none, I actually don't know of any on like the next 7 top clubs.

Here we go with poached. I have no love for LE or BBL but come on poached a kid. Club lacrosse is a business.

Going into high school or beyond that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

Why is that such a surprise, they are a talented team, especially with the addition of the 2023s

They are much improved. Not a very good team previously. Who’s new? Just the 23 reclasses?

The goalie and defender they outright poached from BBL for the sole reason of making BBL a little weaker which worked. They had no reason to leave and would have got recruited at the same level at BBL. Outright poaching is disgraceful. They added a few other kids too. They also have like 6 or 7 reclass kids getting a lot of playing time. Most of the other 2024 clubs in NJ have none, I actually don't know of any on like the next 7 top clubs.

Recruiting is much more than entering a good tournament and a coach watching your game. There has to be a real reason that BBL kids tend to leave every year. Most of their 2024 team stuck together but they’ve been struggling as of late.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

Why is that such a surprise, they are a talented team, especially with the addition of the 2023s

They are much improved. Not a very good team previously. Who’s new? Just the 23 reclasses?

The goalie and defender they outright poached from BBL for the sole reason of making BBL a little weaker which worked. They had no reason to leave and would have got recruited at the same level at BBL. Outright poaching is disgraceful. They added a few other kids too. They also have like 6 or 7 reclass kids getting a lot of playing time. Most of the other 2024 clubs in NJ have none, I actually don't know of any on like the next 7 top clubs.

That’s not really great for the kids who have been there for years and will now be moved to the back of the line. But I guess that’s the business of club lacrosse these days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

Why is that such a surprise, they are a talented team, especially with the addition of the 2023s

They are much improved. Not a very good team previously. Who’s new? Just the 23 reclasses?

The goalie and defender they outright poached from BBL for the sole reason of making BBL a little weaker which worked. They had no reason to leave and would have got recruited at the same level at BBL. Outright poaching is disgraceful. They added a few other kids too. They also have like 6 or 7 reclass kids getting a lot of playing time. Most of the other 2024 clubs in NJ have none, I actually don't know of any on like the next 7 top clubs.

Recruiting is much more than entering a good tournament and a coach watching your game. There has to be a real reason that BBL kids tend to leave every year. Most of their 2024 team stuck together but they’ve been struggling as of late.

Unfortunately, club lacrosse is basically just that. Entering good tournaments and coaches watching your game. There are some validation done by the club coaches but all of the reputable clubs do the same thing. Having just gone through it, I can say it is way less important which club you play for than you think.

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

Why is that such a surprise, they are a talented team, especially with the addition of the 2023s

They are much improved. Not a very good team previously. Who’s new? Just the 23 reclasses?

The goalie and defender they outright poached from BBL for the sole reason of making BBL a little weaker which worked. They had no reason to leave and would have got recruited at the same level at BBL. Outright poaching is disgraceful. They added a few other kids too. They also have like 6 or 7 reclass kids getting a lot of playing time. Most of the other 2024 clubs in NJ have none, I actually don't know of any on like the next 7 top clubs.

Here we go with poached. I have no love for LE or BBL but come on poached a kid. Club lacrosse is a business.

Exactly its a business, these kids and their families made a move to another club. The new club offered the customer something that the old club did not. What that is/was is solely their discretion. It could have been coaching or a money decision. Only they know, They are the consumer and they choose to spend their money elsewhere. One way or another they saw value in moving clubs. There is no poaching, that's like saying Home depot poached Lowes customers. If you go to Lowes instead of Home depot, its your choice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

Couldn’t be further from the truth. There are 2-3 kids uncommitted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

Do any clubs have all of their 23s committed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

We have a Leading Edge Hater on our hands! Almost that entire team is committed with a couple more that are probably looking at high academic D3s. Take a look at their instagram or website closer and you'll learn. You are probably looking at Inside Lacrosse that has kids on the roster from over 2 years ago and is incorrect.

But yea, you're right, not enough commitments on one team.....

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

Do any clubs have all of their 23s committed?

Maybe team 91. In NJ, probably not.

If a recruitment year player is looking at a non typical college like Robert Morris, would the coach or director not go to bat for a kid if that college coach inquires, especially if the main players on the team have not committed to the "BIG" schools?

Second question is if a school comes to a coach with interest in a kid, but the kid is not one of the coaches favorites, does the coach still try to help that kid get into that program?

I am assuming the coach try's to give the positives of the kid as it still is a commitment to a college but I am interested to hear what happens.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If a recruitment year player is looking at a non typical college like Robert Morris, would the coach or director not go to bat for a kid if that college coach inquires, especially if the main players on the team have not committed to the "BIG" schools?

Second question is if a school comes to a coach with interest in a kid, but the kid is not one of the coaches favorites, does the coach still try to help that kid get into that program?

I am assuming the coach try's to give the positives of the kid as it still is a commitment to a college but I am interested to hear what happens.

My take…
1. Its not as clear cut as “schools get to pick in order of how good they are.” Directors SHOULD treat every kid individually. If RoMo wants info on a kid, the director should facilitate no matter where other kids are in the process. It should be best fit, not best school/lacrosse team.

2. Double edged sword. The director has to do right by the players and the college coaches. If he acts like a used car salesmen and tells a school how great, hardworking, etc., a kid is and then it turns out to be a complete lie, that coach won’t trust the club/director in the future.
I would anticipate the director is positive where he can be, but won’t compromise a long-term relationship with a school/coach.

I seriously hope no club director anywhere so petty that he won’t help a good player based on “not being a favorite”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If a recruitment year player is looking at a non typical college like Robert Morris, would the coach or director not go to bat for a kid if that college coach inquires, especially if the main players on the team have not committed to the "BIG" schools?

Second question is if a school comes to a coach with interest in a kid, but the kid is not one of the coaches favorites, does the coach still try to help that kid get into that program?

I am assuming the coach try's to give the positives of the kid as it still is a commitment to a college but I am interested to hear what happens.

My take…
1. Its not as clear cut as “schools get to pick in order of how good they are.” Directors SHOULD treat every kid individually. If RoMo wants info on a kid, the director should facilitate no matter where other kids are in the process. It should be best fit, not best school/lacrosse team.

2. Double edged sword. The director has to do right by the players and the college coaches. If he acts like a used car salesmen and tells a school how great, hardworking, etc., a kid is and then it turns out to be a complete lie, that coach won’t trust the club/director in the future.
I would anticipate the director is positive where he can be, but won’t compromise a long-term relationship with a school/coach.

I seriously hope no club director anywhere so petty that he won’t help a good player based on “not being a favorite”

I agree with this take.....I would like to ad to this by saying I wouldn't think a coach or director would actually down play a player even if he is on the bottom of the barrel as he obviously has some talent and maybe he will fit into a program that's not a big name as the others. Likewise, I hope they would not hold someone back to commit low level, just to get their stud to Harvard first. Just get them all committed if possible esp. if the college coach came asking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If a recruitment year player is looking at a non typical college like Robert Morris, would the coach or director not go to bat for a kid if that college coach inquires, especially if the main players on the team have not committed to the "BIG" schools?

Second question is if a school comes to a coach with interest in a kid, but the kid is not one of the coaches favorites, does the coach still try to help that kid get into that program?

I am assuming the coach try's to give the positives of the kid as it still is a commitment to a college but I am interested to hear what happens.

My take…
1. Its not as clear cut as “schools get to pick in order of how good they are.” Directors SHOULD treat every kid individually. If RoMo wants info on a kid, the director should facilitate no matter where other kids are in the process. It should be best fit, not best school/lacrosse team.

2. Double edged sword. The director has to do right by the players and the college coaches. If he acts like a used car salesmen and tells a school how great, hardworking, etc., a kid is and then it turns out to be a complete lie, that coach won’t trust the club/director in the future.
I would anticipate the director is positive where he can be, but won’t compromise a long-term relationship with a school/coach.

I seriously hope no club director anywhere so petty that he won’t help a good player based on “not being a favorite”

I agree with this take.....I would like to ad to this by saying I wouldn't think a coach or director would actually down play a player even if he is on the bottom of the barrel as he obviously has some talent and maybe he will fit into a program that's not a big name as the others. Likewise, I hope they would not hold someone back to commit low level, just to get their stud to Harvard first. Just get them all committed if possible esp. if the college coach came asking.

I do not disagree with anything said above, but I think the college coach coming to a club coach is more likely in the initial stages of the recruiting process (i.e. 9/1). Theses coaches have to work somewhat fast in order to get their top prospects and probably want a read on a kid because of timing. Since they cannot really engage with player and get them on campus before 9/1, I suspect that a lot of the due diligence involves the club coach or director (or high school coach if a top lacrosse high school).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

We have a Leading Edge Hater on our hands! Almost that entire team is committed with a couple more that are probably looking at high academic D3s. Take a look at their instagram or website closer and you'll learn. You are probably looking at Inside Lacrosse that has kids on the roster from over 2 years ago and is incorrect.

But yea, you're right, not enough commitments on one team.....

Maryland
Notre Dame
Bucknell
Villanova
Villanova
Denver
Monmouth
Brown
Middlebury
Salisbury
Yale
Navy
UMBC
Lehigh
Fairfield
Hofstra

We have an LE jock sniffer on the board!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

Do any clubs have all of their 23s committed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

Couldn’t be further from the truth. There are 2-3 kids uncommitted.

I guess the other kids reclassified to 2024 or left the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

Do any clubs have all of their 23s committed?

Of course not. But those other clubs don’t claim that 80% of their players go D1.

LE ‘s numbers are impressive. Do they actively help get players recruited or do they have the best players who are east to get recruited ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE ‘s numbers are impressive. Do they actively help get players recruited or do they have the best players who are east to get recruited ?

Both with emphasis on the latter.

Did tri-state 2026 have a lot at the tryout?

Yeah, curious about Trisate 2026. They are strong in other grades but didn't even field a 2026 team this past year. Normally I would say they can build a good team, but Towermen dilutes the available talent in this grade. MadDog probably does the same with the top short kids.

Not sure the exact story on what happened to Tristates 26 team last year, but heard they had a mutiny after one of the coaches left (at least that is the rumor). But was at their tryout last night and looked to be 40-50 kids trying out for 2026 team which is impressive given there was no base to start from last year. They looked to have at least 50 kids trying out for 24, 25, 26 and 27. So huge turnout across the board. The older two grades looked to have 70-80 kids.

Wonder where the kids came from? kids that got cut from LE, BBL? Any Towermen leakage?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wonder where the kids came from? kids that got cut from LE, BBL? Any Towermen leakage?

Only 1 kid left towermen and that was because he is going to play on a 2027 team and is reclassing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

We have a Leading Edge Hater on our hands! Almost that entire team is committed with a couple more that are probably looking at high academic D3s. Take a look at their instagram or website closer and you'll learn. You are probably looking at Inside Lacrosse that has kids on the roster from over 2 years ago and is incorrect.

But yea, you're right, not enough commitments on one team.....

Maryland
Notre Dame
Bucknell
Villanova
Villanova
Denver
Monmouth
Brown
Middlebury
Salisbury
Yale
Navy
UMBC
Lehigh
Fairfield
Hofstra

There is no doubt that they have a lot of committed kids, they do a great job aggregating very good players on to their teams, but as you can see with most of the better NJ clubs, they are regularly putting kids on the same teams. One of the big differences that I have noticed with LE, as compared to the other NJ clubs, is that they have a very demanding practice and game schedule, not a negative, but definitely a grind, and not for everybody, but I guess that it really gives your kid an idea of what the D1 life is like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

And Prime Time won it while having to compete with Express and Eclipse for players for the NLF. LE having no development and poaching BBL, NJ Express, Mad Dog and True less impressive. LE let's another team in north Jersey into NLF and they will have to adjust that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, curious about Trisate 2026. They are strong in other grades but didn't even field a 2026 team this past year. Normally I would say they can build a good team, but Towermen dilutes the available talent in this grade. MadDog probably does the same with the top short kids.

Tristate model...If you get enough of the best 2 or 3 kids from each NJ teams like, Mad Dog, Thunder, Riot, BBL non black, Patriot, steps, Team 91 NJ, True and Blue start you have a Team in the top 20 Us club every year.

Tristate model is poach in 9th and 10th LE model after LE poaches. LOL

You're looking at it from the perspective of the teams those kids are leaving. You could look at it from the perspective of the kids that move to Tri-State . . . they are moving from B programs to a AA team that allows them to compete in the best tourneys, against the best competition, and in front of the best coaches. It's a great opportunity for those kids. And the Tri-state HS coaches are legit and help take those kids to the next level.

Yes my son was a recent defector from a B program to a Tri-State HS team and it has a huge impact on his college prospects.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

And Prime Time won it while having to compete with Express and Eclipse for players for the NLF. LE having no development and poaching BBL, NJ Express, Mad Dog and True less impressive. LE let's another team in north Jersey into NLF and they will have to adjust that.

How do you feel about BBL “poaching” Riots recruiting director mid-summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

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How do you feel about BBL “poaching” Riots recruiting director mid-summer?

Gorman (Bosco) also jumped to BBL North 2025 from Riot this summer. He's taking ~14 Chaos kids with him. BBL North kept ~8 kids, cut the rest of the team. I think they also picked up two kids from Patriot Chrome to round out the team. BBL North has a legit AA 2025 team now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

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How do you feel about BBL “poaching” Riots recruiting director mid-summer?

Gorman (Bosco) also jumped to BBL North 2025 from Riot this summer. He's taking ~14 Chaos kids with him. BBL North kept ~8 kids, cut the rest of the team. I think they also picked up two kids from Patriot Chrome to round out the team. BBL North has a legit AA 2025 team now.

Poached from Riot north for BBL north. I am sure he will do recruiting for central but BBL is having trouble establishing itself in Bergen County. Every club thinks they are going to be the one that figures out Bergen County lacrosse. Bergen County has a huge population and therefore a huge athlete pool but no clubs can get it to work for them at scale. Riot, BBL and Mad Dog are all trying to make Bergen work. And O2 and Patriot tried, struggled and gave up in Bergen.

Ok that makes sense about the Riot move to BBL. When I heard it , I didn't understand why bring a college recruiter to BBL North. No one on BBL North can play in college. At the BBL tryouts they did tell the parents they wanted to make 2 AA teams. Didn't see how they were going to do that. No one on Black team would stay if they moved them. Maybe take Helix, North and poached kids to North? North has never caught on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

We have a Leading Edge Hater on our hands! Almost that entire team is committed with a couple more that are probably looking at high academic D3s. Take a look at their instagram or website closer and you'll learn. You are probably looking at Inside Lacrosse that has kids on the roster from over 2 years ago and is incorrect.

But yea, you're right, not enough commitments on one team.....

Maryland
Notre Dame
Bucknell
Villanova
Villanova
Denver
Monmouth
Brown
Middlebury
Salisbury
Yale
Navy
UMBC
Lehigh
Fairfield
Hofstra

NJ Riot has a bunch more commitments than LE at the 2023 level. And wasn’t one of the Villanova kids already committed with his other club? Sounds like you’re trying to take credit for something somebody else did. Pretty familiar theme with LE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

.

How do you feel about BBL “poaching” Riots recruiting director mid-summer?

Gorman (Bosco) also jumped to BBL North 2025 from Riot this summer. He's taking ~14 Chaos kids with him. BBL North kept ~8 kids, cut the rest of the team. I think they also picked up two kids from Patriot Chrome to round out the team. BBL North has a legit AA 2025 team now.

Poached from Riot north for BBL north. .

No, the kids are moving from Chaos to BBL North.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok that makes sense about the Riot move to BBL. When I heard it , I didn't understand why bring a college recruiter to BBL North. No one on BBL North can play in college. At the BBL tryouts they did tell the parents they wanted to make 2 AA teams. Didn't see how they were going to do that. No one on Black team would stay if they moved them. Maybe take Helix, North and poached kids to North? North has never caught on.

Bbl is amazing k to 8th black or helix. Lots of practices all year. They want to be good in high school but LE and Tristate hurt that goal. BBL black does not turn over the bottom of their roster so helix and now north and shore kids can’t break in to black so they go to mad dog shore and tristate.

What team did he move from?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

We have a Leading Edge Hater on our hands! Almost that entire team is committed with a couple more that are probably looking at high academic D3s. Take a look at their instagram or website closer and you'll learn. You are probably looking at Inside Lacrosse that has kids on the roster from over 2 years ago and is incorrect.

But yea, you're right, not enough commitments on one team.....

Maryland
Notre Dame
Bucknell
Villanova
Villanova
Denver
Monmouth
Brown
Middlebury
Salisbury
Yale
Navy
UMBC
Lehigh
Fairfield
Hofstra

NJ Riot has a bunch more commitments than LE at the 2023 level. And wasn’t one of the Villanova kids already committed with his other club? Sounds like you’re trying to take credit for something somebody else did. Pretty familiar theme with LE.

^^^^ this

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE 2024 team made the semi finals of the NLF?

.

How do you feel about BBL “poaching” Riots recruiting director mid-summer?

Gorman (Bosco) also jumped to BBL North 2025 from Riot this summer. He's taking ~14 Chaos kids with him. BBL North kept ~8 kids, cut the rest of the team. I think they also picked up two kids from Patriot Chrome to round out the team. BBL North has a legit AA 2025 team now.

Poached from Riot north for BBL north. .

No, the kids are moving from Chaos to BBL North.

Gorman coaching the 2025s explains why their top kid is going to Bosco next year.

That is spot on. By the time you get to HS at BBL it is clear that you don't have a shot at the Black team, so everyone leaves. I don't think they have a Helix team in HS and not because BBL doesn't want the business. Pretty dense. Just fuels Tristate, Riot etc's business.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok that makes sense about the Riot move to BBL. When I heard it , I didn't understand why bring a college recruiter to BBL North. No one on BBL North can play in college. At the BBL tryouts they did tell the parents they wanted to make 2 AA teams. Didn't see how they were going to do that. No one on Black team would stay if they moved them. Maybe take Helix, North and poached kids to North? North has never caught on.

Bbl is amazing k to 8th black or helix. Lots of practices all year. They want to be good in high school but LE and Tristate hurt that goal. BBL black does not turn over the bottom of their roster so helix and now north and shore kids can’t break in to black so they go to mad dog shore and tristate.

LE gets bashed on this forum for having no loyalty and cutting kids. BBL is now getting a hard time because they don't cut enough kids to make room for Helix/North/Shore kids? It's hard to balance when trying to be competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

We have a Leading Edge Hater on our hands! Almost that entire team is committed with a couple more that are probably looking at high academic D3s. Take a look at their instagram or website closer and you'll learn. You are probably looking at Inside Lacrosse that has kids on the roster from over 2 years ago and is incorrect.

But yea, you're right, not enough commitments on one team.....

Maryland
Notre Dame
Bucknell
Villanova
Villanova
Denver
Monmouth
Brown
Middlebury
Salisbury
Yale
Navy
UMBC
Lehigh
Fairfield
Hofstra

NJ Riot has a bunch more commitments than LE at the 2023 level. And wasn’t one of the Villanova kids already committed with his other club? Sounds like you’re trying to take credit for something somebody else did. Pretty familiar theme with LE.

NJ Riot 16 of 28 LE 17 of 20, kicking out the two kids that moved over from Blue Star. LE also doesn't send kids to Bellarmine, Merrimack, or Quinnipiac, not saying that is a good thing. At the end of the day, you have good kids on both teams but LE would beat NJ Riot by 6 goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok that makes sense about the Riot move to BBL. When I heard it , I didn't understand why bring a college recruiter to BBL North. No one on BBL North can play in college. At the BBL tryouts they did tell the parents they wanted to make 2 AA teams. Didn't see how they were going to do that. No one on Black team would stay if they moved them. Maybe take Helix, North and poached kids to North? North has never caught on.

Bbl is amazing k to 8th black or helix. Lots of practices all year. They want to be good in high school but LE and Tristate hurt that goal. BBL black does not turn over the bottom of their roster so helix and now north and shore kids can’t break in to black so they go to mad dog shore and tristate.

LE gets bashed on this forum for having no loyalty and cutting kids. BBL is now getting a hard time because they don't cut enough kids to make room for Helix/North/Shore kids? It's hard to balance when trying to be competitive.

LE gets bashed on here cause the pump their chests on here but everyone in nj lacrosse knows how they get good. That is why nj lacrosse fans love what tristate is doing at the 24 year. Nj loves the underdog.

What is Tristate doing at the 24’s? Just trying to follow, thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

We have a Leading Edge Hater on our hands! Almost that entire team is committed with a couple more that are probably looking at high academic D3s. Take a look at their instagram or website closer and you'll learn. You are probably looking at Inside Lacrosse that has kids on the roster from over 2 years ago and is incorrect.

But yea, you're right, not enough commitments on one team.....

Maryland
Notre Dame
Bucknell
Villanova
Villanova
Denver
Monmouth
Brown
Middlebury
Salisbury
Yale
Navy
UMBC
Lehigh
Fairfield
Hofstra

NJ Riot has a bunch more commitments than LE at the 2023 level. And wasn’t one of the Villanova kids already committed with his other club? Sounds like you’re trying to take credit for something somebody else did. Pretty familiar theme with LE.

NJ Riot 16 of 28 LE 17 of 20, kicking out the two kids that moved over from Blue Star. LE also doesn't send kids to Bellarmine, Merrimack, or Quinnipiac, not saying that is a good thing. At the end of the day, you have good kids on both teams but LE would beat NJ Riot by 6 goals.

LE definitely sends kids to those schools. And it’s not like Hofstra, UMBC, and Fairfield aren’t in that same category.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

We have a Leading Edge Hater on our hands! Almost that entire team is committed with a couple more that are probably looking at high academic D3s. Take a look at their instagram or website closer and you'll learn. You are probably looking at Inside Lacrosse that has kids on the roster from over 2 years ago and is incorrect.

But yea, you're right, not enough commitments on one team.....

Maryland
Notre Dame
Bucknell
Villanova
Villanova
Denver
Monmouth
Brown
Middlebury
Salisbury
Yale
Navy
UMBC
Lehigh
Fairfield
Hofstra

NJ Riot has a bunch more commitments than LE at the 2023 level. And wasn’t one of the Villanova kids already committed with his other club? Sounds like you’re trying to take credit for something somebody else did. Pretty familiar theme with LE.

NJ Riot 16 of 28 LE 17 of 20, kicking out the two kids that moved over from Blue Star. LE also doesn't send kids to Bellarmine, Merrimack, or Quinnipiac, not saying that is a good thing. At the end of the day, you have good kids on both teams but LE would beat NJ Riot by 6 goals.

LE definitely sends kids to those schools. And it’s not like Hofstra, UMBC, and Fairfield aren’t in that same category.

Don’t forget Monmouth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

We have a Leading Edge Hater on our hands! Almost that entire team is committed with a couple more that are probably looking at high academic D3s. Take a look at their instagram or website closer and you'll learn. You are probably looking at Inside Lacrosse that has kids on the roster from over 2 years ago and is incorrect.

But yea, you're right, not enough commitments on one team.....

Maryland
Notre Dame
Bucknell
Villanova
Villanova
Denver
Monmouth
Brown
Middlebury
Salisbury
Yale
Navy
UMBC
Lehigh
Fairfield
Hofstra

NJ Riot has a bunch more commitments than LE at the 2023 level. And wasn’t one of the Villanova kids already committed with his other club? Sounds like you’re trying to take credit for something somebody else did. Pretty familiar theme with LE.

NJ Riot 16 of 28 LE 17 of 20, kicking out the two kids that moved over from Blue Star. LE also doesn't send kids to Bellarmine, Merrimack, or Quinnipiac, not saying that is a good thing. At the end of the day, you have good kids on both teams but LE would beat NJ Riot by 6 goals.

You mean like the LE 2022 kid who committed to Merrimack?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Just saw on instagram. LE had the Player of year, D Player of year, and Mid of the year? That is crazy.

They also have half their 2023s uncommitted, so…

We have a Leading Edge Hater on our hands! Almost that entire team is committed with a couple more that are probably looking at high academic D3s. Take a look at their instagram or website closer and you'll learn. You are probably looking at Inside Lacrosse that has kids on the roster from over 2 years ago and is incorrect.

But yea, you're right, not enough commitments on one team.....

Maryland
Notre Dame
Bucknell
Villanova
Villanova
Denver
Monmouth
Brown
Middlebury
Salisbury
Yale
Navy
UMBC
Lehigh
Fairfield
Hofstra

NJ Riot has a bunch more commitments than LE at the 2023 level. And wasn’t one of the Villanova kids already committed with his other club? Sounds like you’re trying to take credit for something somebody else did. Pretty familiar theme with LE.

NJ Riot 16 of 28 LE 17 of 20, kicking out the two kids that moved over from Blue Star. LE also doesn't send kids to Bellarmine, Merrimack, or Quinnipiac, not saying that is a good thing. At the end of the day, you have good kids on both teams but LE would beat NJ Riot by 6 goals.

You mean like the LE 2022 kid who committed to Merrimack?

Poster above shouldn’t knock any of the schools. Good for these kids going on to play at the next level. I have heard that 22 from SPF is a great player . I Hope he does well.

You mean like the LE 2022 kid who committed to Merrimack?[/quote]

Poster above shouldn’t knock any of the schools. Good for these kids going on to play at the next level. I have heard that 22 from SPF is a great player . I Hope he does well.[/quote]

Agreed, all of these kids are excellent lacrosse players, and have found a fit that works for them, pretty low class to knock the schools that they have chosen. Added statement that LE would beat Riot by 6 goals speaks volumes about the poster...if LE has all of these top recruits, why didn't they make the playoff bracket at NAL this weekend....bad coaching?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You mean like the LE 2022 kid who committed to Merrimack?

Poster above shouldn’t knock any of the schools. Good for these kids going on to play at the next level. I have heard that 22 from SPF is a great player . I Hope he does well.[/quote]

Agreed, all of these kids are excellent lacrosse players, and have found a fit that works for them, pretty low class to knock the schools that they have chosen. Added statement that LE would beat Riot by 6 goals speaks volumes about the poster...if LE has all of these top recruits, why didn't they make the playoff bracket at NAL this weekend....bad coaching?[/quote]

They lost a 1 goal game to miss the playoffs. I agree though, its hard to just declare a team would win by 6 when they haven’t played and its awful to knock schools kids have chosen - just let them go live their dreams.
Kudos to all the teams that played NAL, very tough tournament and conditions to end the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You mean like the LE 2022 kid who committed to Merrimack?

Poster above shouldn’t knock any of the schools. Good for these kids going on to play at the next level. I have heard that 22 from SPF is a great player . I Hope he does well.

Agreed, all of these kids are excellent lacrosse players, and have found a fit that works for them, pretty low class to knock the schools that they have chosen. Added statement that LE would beat Riot by 6 goals speaks volumes about the poster...if LE has all of these top recruits, why didn't they make the playoff bracket at NAL this weekend....bad coaching?[/quote]

They lost a 1 goal game to miss the playoffs. I agree though, its hard to just declare a team would win by 6 when they haven’t played and its awful to knock schools kids have chosen - just let them go live their dreams.
Kudos to all the teams that played NAL, very tough tournament and conditions to end the summer.[/quote]
I don't think it was anyone involved with LE that made that post. Good luck to all the 2024 and younger kids. It's a tough process but rewarding process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You mean like the LE 2022 kid who committed to Merrimack?

Poster above shouldn’t knock any of the schools. Good for these kids going on to play at the next level. I have heard that 22 from SPF is a great player . I Hope he does well.[/quote]

Agreed, all of these kids are excellent lacrosse players, and have found a fit that works for them, pretty low class to knock the schools that they have chosen. Added statement that LE would beat Riot by 6 goals speaks volumes about the poster...if LE has all of these top recruits, why didn't they make the playoff bracket at NAL this weekend....bad coaching?[/quote]

When all else fails, just blame the coach!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You mean like the LE 2022 kid who committed to Merrimack?

Poster above shouldn’t knock any of the schools. Good for these kids going on to play at the next level. I have heard that 22 from SPF is a great player . I Hope he does well.

Agreed, all of these kids are excellent lacrosse players, and have found a fit that works for them, pretty low class to knock the schools that they have chosen. Added statement that LE would beat Riot by 6 goals speaks volumes about the poster...if LE has all of these top recruits, why didn't they make the playoff bracket at NAL this weekend....bad coaching?[/quote]

When all else fails, just blame the coach![/quote]

Seriously, I know that there is a ton of great competition out there, but it just seems like LE always has these loaded teams that do not perform well consistently. I know that in the end the wins and loses aren't really that important, but they have some great players, seems like they should be advancing further in these tournaments, and I don't just mean the 2023 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You mean like the LE 2022 kid who committed to Merrimack?

Poster above shouldn’t knock any of the schools. Good for these kids going on to play at the next level. I have heard that 22 from SPF is a great player . I Hope he does well.

Agreed, all of these kids are excellent lacrosse players, and have found a fit that works for them, pretty low class to knock the schools that they have chosen. Added statement that LE would beat Riot by 6 goals speaks volumes about the poster...if LE has all of these top recruits, why didn't they make the playoff bracket at NAL this weekend....bad coaching?

When all else fails, just blame the coach![/quote]

Seriously, I know that there is a ton of great competition out there, but it just seems like LE always has these loaded teams that do not perform well consistently. I know that in the end the wins and loses aren't really that important, but they have some great players, seems like they should be advancing further in these tournaments, and I don't just mean the 2023 team.[/quote]
At the high school level, the teams are good but not top 5 in the country. The 23 and 24 teams both won tournaments this year and their 25 were in the finals a few times. That's not bad for a Jersey team.
The teams that are winning the big events pull in kids from all over. Jersey can't get the best kids in one class to play on the same all-star (UA/Nike) team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You mean like the LE 2022 kid who committed to Merrimack?

Poster above shouldn’t knock any of the schools. Good for these kids going on to play at the next level. I have heard that 22 from SPF is a great player . I Hope he does well.

Agreed, all of these kids are excellent lacrosse players, and have found a fit that works for them, pretty low class to knock the schools that they have chosen. Added statement that LE would beat Riot by 6 goals speaks volumes about the poster...if LE has all of these top recruits, why didn't they make the playoff bracket at NAL this weekend....bad coaching?

When all else fails, just blame the coach!

Seriously, I know that there is a ton of great competition out there, but it just seems like LE always has these loaded teams that do not perform well consistently. I know that in the end the wins and loses aren't really that important, but they have some great players, seems like they should be advancing further in these tournaments, and I don't just mean the 2023 team.[/quote]
At the high school level, the teams are good but not top 5 in the country. The 23 and 24 teams both won tournaments this year and their 25 were in the finals a few times. That's not bad for a Jersey team.
The teams that are winning the big events pull in kids from all over. Jersey can't get the best kids in one class to play on the same all-star (UA/Nike) team.[/quote]

Across the board I thought NJ showed extremely well this summer. At the 2024 level even the “best” teams that won tournaments dropped games at some point in the summer. At ultra competitive events such as NAL the talent of one team vs another is usually close so even the most “stacked” teams are in one goal games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You mean like the LE 2022 kid who committed to Merrimack?

Poster above shouldn’t knock any of the schools. Good for these kids going on to play at the next level. I have heard that 22 from SPF is a great player . I Hope he does well.

Agreed, all of these kids are excellent lacrosse players, and have found a fit that works for them, pretty low class to knock the schools that they have chosen. Added statement that LE would beat Riot by 6 goals speaks volumes about the poster...if LE has all of these top recruits, why didn't they make the playoff bracket at NAL this weekend....bad coaching?

When all else fails, just blame the coach!

Seriously, I know that there is a ton of great competition out there, but it just seems like LE always has these loaded teams that do not perform well consistently. I know that in the end the wins and loses aren't really that important, but they have some great players, seems like they should be advancing further in these tournaments, and I don't just mean the 2023 team.[/quote]
At the high school level, the teams are good but not top 5 in the country. The 23 and 24 teams both won tournaments this year and their 25 were in the finals a few times. That's not bad for a Jersey team.
The teams that are winning the big events pull in kids from all over. Jersey can't get the best kids in one class to play on the same all-star (UA/Nike) team.[/quote]

This is very well said. NJ can barely get kids to play together to represent the state in a big tournament like UA or the NASG.

BBL, Tri-State and LE have had pretty good summers across the board. BBL 27 team was almost unbeatable. Tri-State 2024 team was very very good and won the Pinnacle Event. LE 2024 lost only a couple games all summer and won a couple championships. The 2023s won that Primetime Event. Not a bad representation of NJ, its just the talent is spread out.

I am fairly new to the club world here. I am curious what cost typically is for different clubs here in NJ. Thank you

Varies by grade and quality of program. Higher quality programs have more practices/tourneys especially in the offseason. Lowest Ive heard for youth is $1500-$1800 and goes up to $3500. HS programs can get up to ~$4500. Beware - some clubs take a more a la cart model - low up front fees and pay for tourneys later on. Should clarify exactly whats included in the fees.

Anyone know what the apex youth games are? I had never heard of it prior to this year. Thanks.

I hear LE 2025 picked up more BBL kids and BBL's top 2025 is move to NJ Riot.

What is going on at BBL? This continues to happen year after year. Some of top players look to other programs and leave. Call it being poached by others or whatever you want to call it, but there seems to be an issue there that kids just leave. Where there is smoke, there is fire.

I would be SHOCKED if BBL’s top ‘25 (who is a top 10 recruit in the country) would leave to go to Riot so he can play in B tourneys. Especially since Riot’s recruiting guru just left to go to BBL. Sounds like fake news.

As for the trend of BBL kids going to LE - LE’s track record of sending kids to ivy/acc/big10 schools can be alluring. Whether this track record is due to most of NJs best players going there OR their program connections can be argued . . . But the track record cannot be argued. BBL is trying to upgrade their recruiting with adding the Riot guy. Lets see how it works.

The only two players who were, without question outright poached, are the goalie and the defenseman from the 2024 team. LE wanted to do everything to break that 2024 BBL team down and the goalie was the most important domino to fall. They tried to get the SHP and Westfield kid too, amongst others. Losing those two players alone severely weakened BBL 2024 but they still battled the whole summer and finished probably in the top 30. Give them the goalie and defenseman back and they are right up with Tri State and LE.

On the kid going to Riot, I actually feel that Riot is on the way up. People realize you do not have to go to LE or the NLF anymore. Scouts are everywhere. NAL is actually bigger than the NLF, they just need to play it earlier in the summer. Mid July [Censored]!!!

I actually feel bad for BBL. Their youth programs has a lot a kids. I thought the 2025's would stay together. I am not sure what outside influences drew them out but I am sure we will find out soon.

Tri State 2024 probably has the best philosophy. Be the underdog, don't post on here, don't boast, play a great conservative offense to keep the ball away from the other team with no hero ball and no real superstars except that one goalie. Good for them.

These guys aren’t kidnapped and forced against their will to play LE. They sought a different program for any variety of reasons and their families made a decision.

The influence that draw the kids away, comes from within. It happens year after year. There is clearly something going on that people feel the need to head for the hills.

BBL has seen a lot of leadership/organizational changes over the past year. Theres even a rumor that a parent now owns some portion of the club. A new recruiting director came in the middle of the summer, how well can he really know their players?

Tri-State/LE feel like safer/more established organizations at this point in time.

BBL lost 3 from the 26 team attack to Tri-State.. Goalie and pole to LE all starters

Not the original poster but your presenting alternate facts coach.

LE went directly to players on its older teams travel teams (2022, 2023, maybe even 2021, and obviously the 2024's) from Pingry and DB to target these two kids to come over. Same for for the SHP kid that did not leave. Widely known fact. Then the salesmanship comes in after they get these kids parents to call for more info and they sell them the world.

LE will do nothing different for colleges for those two kids that BBL or any other club would have done. Both are elite players and would commit early on any team. LE will brag they got them committed. Its all bs.

I hope this forum can move on from this matter.

I feel its more important to get to the bottom of why kids are leaving BBL and shouldn’t be dismissed. BBL/LE/TS, they all make calls to kids to get them to play for their club over another. The fact is… BBL has had good players leave prior to recruiting for the past 5+ years.

I agree with you on the BBL kids leaving for the past 5 years prior to recruiting. Something is amiss. I just don't like how the kids left BBL 2024 going into their sophomore year for no real advantage. I think that is not right. I get clubs trying to get kids earlier. I wish all the big three would not shop for kids going into their sophomore recruiting year. I do not believe Tri State reaches out to anyone on a current club going into their sophomore year. This is my only problem with LE and as I stated, I agree with you on the earlier year deflections.

Trust me, Tri- State does it as well. (personal experience)

Alot of "Hero Ball" on that BBL 2025 team.

BBL to 6th, 7th or 8th grade is amazing with the number of practice opportunities for a player. BBL has not shown well with recruiting. I think it is getting worse. All these PLL player announcement affiliations are not helping recruiting. The National team is just a hope to keep north, west and helix players happier so maybe they stay a year longer than they would have without the national team. 99.9% of the west, north and helix players are not making black team. You have a better chance making bbl black coming from Patriot, Riot or other B teams than the BBL north, west or helix b teams. BBL has a tough job of keeping the big rec lacrosse towns near Florham Park happy for all the black team members while keeping the north, west and helix players hopeful. Will anything be any different with a national team playing 1 tournament at the high school level??

I think bbl shore can survive along with black. Shore has good coaching and probably better coaching than the black teams at this point.

Not sure BBL Shore is not going to survive, Mad Dog has picked up a number of the old United kids and LE (outside 2021) has always picked up the top RFH, Squan, Wall, and now CBA. TriState & Blue Star also have good shore players.
Yes, BBL will get one or two kids that either don't make LE and think they are too good for MadDog, TriState, and Blue Star. MadDog 2025 was good but parents are not happy with the kids they added from the North. The team still has a handful of good players that should get recruited but took major steps back this summer.
There are not enough players in the Shore to support that many teams.

BBL 2024 will have a lot of D1 recruits. That is their first good team and where it all starts for them. My guess is like 10.

I think BBL Shore will struggle. Mad Dog has a huge youth program and their 2025 team is really good. 2025 is where it all starts for them. Their 2026 and down are all loaded and the kids are not leaving anymore for the other clubs.

I actually wish Riot and Patriot would combine. Both are longer standing clubs and their kids occasionally get plucked to other teams. But they can both still maintain their current standing as is, I just think they would really be good together (kinda playing fantasy football on this one).

BBL has had good teams in the past - recently the 2022s and 2020s come to mind. If the rumor-mill is correct (big if) - BBL made a lot of promises to the 2024s about recruiting and will really need to come through for them Sept 1.

It could be “make or break” for BBL to keep their word.

BBL Black is unquestionably the best youth program in the state. If BBL gets their 24's and 25's recruited to big time schools, more of their very talented (and well coached) youth players will stick around in HS instead of going to LE. LE will still be a great HS program, but the balance of power will start to shift if these 24s and 25s that stuck around at BBL do well in recruiting.

10 D1 commits for any program in NJ, outside of maybe LE, is wishful thinking, but best of luck

You don't have a clue. LE, Tri-State, BBL, and Riot all had at least 9 or 10 D1 commits in the '22 class. And O2 and Patriot had around 6 or 7.

You can argue the quality of the D1 programs they went to, but in terms of sheer D1 commits all of these programs had significant numbers.

What do the other 14 kids on these kids wind up doing? Div3? just curious.. a good case to be made for good academic D3 route..

You are correct, I definitely underestimated the numbers, and it was not a question of school quality. Curious as to how these numbers will change over time as other parts of the country become bigger players in the recruiting process. You also make a pretty valid point to all, numbers are not bad for those NJ clubs.

Curious as to why this forum is editing posts, apparently my comment that you made a good point about other clubs, not just LE, doing well with recruiting was too controversial for the forum...perhaps it was the GOT reference to the LE supporters on the forum

What do the other 14 kids on these kids wind up doing? Div3? just curious.. a good case to be made for good academic D3 route.

Seems like a lot of these clubs have a good mix of D3 kids as well, especially with the NESCAC and other top tier academic schools. No matter how good your kid is, these high academic schools are no joke, really challenging admissions process...for those that think that the NESCAC is a safety net after D1 and Ivies, you are sorely mistaken.

The other 14 kids from BBL do the same thing the 15 kids from LE end up doing each and every year; good academic D3 or not play at all and have fun and party!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don't have a clue. LE, Tri-State, BBL, and Riot all had at least 9 or 10 D1 commits in the '22 class. And O2 and Patriot had around 6 or 7.

You can argue the quality of the D1 programs they went to, but in terms of sheer D1 commits all of these programs had significant numbers.

This is true about the other clubs....and the 2024 level has even more talent all around.

BBL has a great youth program but high school at BBL is not proven yet with recruiting. Will 24 change that? I am sure BBL high school players are hoping it will. The players and parents not on BBL see that when deciding on LE or Tri State for 9th grade and up. LE and Tri State get better in 9th grade on and BBL's new players do not match the defectors from the team starting in 9th grade. I hope this changes because BBl has a great youth program.

Every kid on these top NJ club teams can play in college if they want to. There are a million D3 schools. The question is how far you willing to travel and what type of education are you looking for.

And you're correct on your NESCAC comment. Many D3 schools have better academics than D1 schools so kids will choose D3 over D1 in many cases. High end D3 lacrosse is on par with low level D1 i.e. RIT would likely beat NJIT by 10 goals.

None of our kids are going to get rich playing pro lacrosse and the tiny D1 scholarships offered don't move the needle, so for many the best academic school is the right choice regardless of D1/D3.

Bbl 2025 team is decimated. All the best players other than the 1 top player have all left. Good for him to show loyalty, but seems as though there is a major issue if 2025s are all leaving.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bbl 2025 team is decimated. All the best players other than the 1 top player have all left. Good for him to show loyalty, but seems as though there is a major issue if 2025s are all leaving.

Is this accurate? Or is someone just stirring the pot???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL 2024 will have a lot of D1 recruits. That is their first good team and where it all starts for them. My guess is like 10.

I think BBL Shore will struggle. Mad Dog has a huge youth program and their 2025 team is really good. 2025 is where it all starts for them. Their 2026 and down are all loaded and the kids are not leaving anymore for the other clubs.

I actually wish Riot and Patriot would combine. Both are longer standing clubs and their kids occasionally get plucked to other teams. But they can both still maintain their current standing as is, I just think they would really be good together (kinda playing fantasy football on this one).

Their 2025 was really good. They still have a handful of players but parents are not happy with the B-Level North Jersey kids that were added. There is NO WAY the RFH parents keep their players at Mad Dog in high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bbl 2025 team is decimated. All the best players other than the 1 top player have all left. Good for him to show loyalty, but seems as though there is a major issue if 2025s are all leaving.

Is this accurate? Or is someone just stirring the pot???

Check the boy's highlights. They say LE while their highlights are in BBL uniforms. Wait for the fall, when their top player leaves to play with his high school teammates unless all the DB kids move to BBL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every kid on these top NJ club teams can play in college if they want to. There are a million D3 schools. The question is how far you willing to travel and what type of education are you looking for.

And you're correct on your NESCAC comment. Many D3 schools have better academics than D1 schools so kids will choose D3 over D1 in many cases. High end D3 lacrosse is on par with low level D1 i.e. RIT would likely beat NJIT by 10 goals.

None of our kids are going to get rich playing pro lacrosse and the tiny D1 scholarships offered don't move the needle, so for many the best academic school is the right choice regardless of D1/D3.

Those high-end D3 schools are not cheap. In most cases, you talking 50K to 75K a year. So low-level D1 might be the best option for a lot of families.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL 2024 will have a lot of D1 recruits. That is their first good team and where it all starts for them. My guess is like 10.

I think BBL Shore will struggle. Mad Dog has a huge youth program and their 2025 team is really good. 2025 is where it all starts for them. Their 2026 and down are all loaded and the kids are not leaving anymore for the other clubs.

I actually wish Riot and Patriot would combine. Both are longer standing clubs and their kids occasionally get plucked to other teams. But they can both still maintain their current standing as is, I just think they would really be good together (kinda playing fantasy football on this one).

Their 2025 was really good. They still have a handful of players but parents are not happy with the B-Level North Jersey kids that were added. There is NO WAY the RFH parents keep their players at Mad Dog in high school.

I hope the RFH kids stay. There is no reason to leave. They will get recruited at Mad Dog. Why go to the middle or bottom of the barrel on another club and if its true that BBL has kids going to LE then it makes it worse for the Mad Dog kids.

Does anyone know what happened to the Towerman? I am assuming they stayed together. I do not know one parent or kid on the team but I find their situation intriguing.

2025 team at bbl has indeed had a mass exodus over the last 2 years. To whomever is implying that the best player is going to be going to DB for Highschool, is that true? i do not believe so.

I hope the RFH kids stay. There is no reason to leave. They will get recruited at Mad Dog. Why go to the middle or bottom of the barrel on another club and if its true that BBL has kids going to LE then it makes it worse for the Mad Dog kids.

Wishful thinking, no loyalty with the RFH kids, head coach will push top kids to LE

Those high-end D3 schools are not cheap. In most cases, you talking 50K to 75K a year. So low-level D1 might be the best option for a lot of families.

Not always the case, in some situations the D3 schools will offer more money through grants and merit money, and the money is not tied to athletics

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope the RFH kids stay. There is no reason to leave. They will get recruited at Mad Dog. Why go to the middle or bottom of the barrel on another club and if its true that BBL has kids going to LE then it makes it worse for the Mad Dog kids.

Wishful thinking, no loyalty with the RFH kids, head coach will push top kids to LE

Truth be told....I don't think the top RFH kids will play enough at LE. They will be in the 18-32 range so why would they go? They would get way more playing time at Mad Dog.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2025 team at bbl has indeed had a mass exodus over the last 2 years. To whomever is implying that the best player is going to be going to DB for Highschool, is that true? i do not believe so.

You read that wrong. I think they are saying he would go play for a different club with his buddies unless the team gets better from some DB kids.

We shall see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope the RFH kids stay. There is no reason to leave. They will get recruited at Mad Dog. Why go to the middle or bottom of the barrel on another club and if its true that BBL has kids going to LE then it makes it worse for the Mad Dog kids.

Wishful thinking, no loyalty with the RFH kids, head coach will push top kids to LE

Truth be told....I don't think the top RFH kids will play enough at LE. They will be in the 18-32 range so why would they go? They would get way more playing time at Mad Dog.

The 22 and 23 RFH midfielders that are going to Yale may say otherwise.

2 Kids leave this summer and BBL 25 team and it is decimated? I think 25 is okay as long as the only player on 25 you really ever slide to leaves. The kid from West Essex. If that double leaves forget that team.

Truth be told....I don't think the top RFH kids will play enough at LE. They will be in the 18-32 range so why would they go? They would get way more playing time at Mad Dog.

LE has two RFH/Yale commits, not to mention the RFH/Brown commit (and the poached RFH/Villanova commit), this is like moths to a flame for the RFH parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Kids leave this summer and BBL 25 team and it is decimated? I think 25 is okay as long as the only player on 25 you really ever slide to leaves. The kid from West Essex. If that double leaves forget that team.

To clarify, there are 4 kids that are leaving this year. The best goalie, attackman, fogo, and second best middie all left this year. The best LSM left last year. That makes 5 of the top 6 kids that have left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Kids leave this summer and BBL 25 team and it is decimated? I think 25 is okay as long as the only player on 25 you really ever slide to leaves. The kid from West Essex. If that double leaves forget that team.

To clarify, there are 4 kids that are leaving this year. The best goalie, attackman, fogo, and second best middie all left this year. The best LSM left last year. That makes 5 of the top 6 kids that have left.

Wow. fool. I thought bbl 25 were deeper than that honestly. Tough loss. That number 1 that remains is 1,2 and 3 on that team so will be interesting. He was the only player in NJ to start Freshmen year from day 1 in NJ as an offensive player and not as a fogo or goalie or defender in a long time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Truth be told....I don't think the top RFH kids will play enough at LE. They will be in the 18-32 range so why would they go? They would get way more playing time at Mad Dog.

LE has two RFH/Yale commits, not to mention the RFH/Brown commit (and the poached RFH/Villanova commit), this is like moths to a flame for the RFH parents.

Mad Dog is great for growing the game at the Shore. But they are by no means going to keep their top players. Forget about RFH they can't keep the top players in their backyard, Squan and Wall. Do you think a parent is going to pick Orchard Park over Rutgers for practice?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Kids leave this summer and BBL 25 team and it is decimated? I think 25 is okay as long as the only player on 25 you really ever slide to leaves. The kid from West Essex. If that double leaves forget that team.

To clarify, there are 4 kids that are leaving this year. The best goalie, attackman, fogo, and second best middie all left this year. The best LSM left last year. That makes 5 of the top 6 kids that have left.

Wow. fool. I thought bbl 25 were deeper than that honestly. Tough loss. That number 1 that remains is 1,2 and 3 on that team so will be interesting. He was the only player in NJ to start Freshmen year from day 1 in NJ as an offensive player and not as a fogo or goalie or defender in a long time.

Fair enough on the middie. He is for sure the guy. But to lose the meat and potatoes of your team to other programs before important recruiting years is an issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Truth be told....I don't think the top RFH kids will play enough at LE. They will be in the 18-32 range so why would they go? They would get way more playing time at Mad Dog.

LE has two RFH/Yale commits, not to mention the RFH/Brown commit (and the poached RFH/Villanova commit), this is like moths to a flame for the RFH parents.

Mad Dog is great for growing the game at the Shore. But they are by no means going to keep their top players. Forget about RFH they can't keep the top players in their backyard, Squan and Wall. Do you think a parent is going to pick Orchard Park over Rutgers for practice?

I don't think the Manasquan and Wall kids will be going outside of Mad Dog anymore. 23's are done and the 24's are in their final 10 months. Their is no one relevant from Manasquan or Wall on LE or any other teams from 2025 down in age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Truth be told....I don't think the top RFH kids will play enough at LE. They will be in the 18-32 range so why would they go? They would get way more playing time at Mad Dog.

LE has two RFH/Yale commits, not to mention the RFH/Brown commit (and the poached RFH/Villanova commit), this is like moths to a flame for the RFH parents.

I think he was referring to the younger kids on Mad Dog from a post he did not quote. Not the 2023's from RFH that are already committed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Truth be told....I don't think the top RFH kids will play enough at LE. They will be in the 18-32 range so why would they go? They would get way more playing time at Mad Dog.

LE has two RFH/Yale commits, not to mention the RFH/Brown commit (and the poached RFH/Villanova commit), this is like moths to a flame for the RFH parents.

Mad Dog is great for growing the game at the Shore. But they are by no means going to keep their top players. Forget about RFH they can't keep the top players in their backyard, Squan and Wall. Do you think a parent is going to pick Orchard Park over Rutgers for practice?

I don't think the Manasquan and Wall kids will be going outside of Mad Dog anymore. 23's are done and the 24's are in their final 10 months. Their is no one relevant from Manasquan or Wall on LE or any other teams from 2025 down in age.

No teams are relevant until they get into high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope the RFH kids stay. There is no reason to leave. They will get recruited at Mad Dog. Why go to the middle or bottom of the barrel on another club and if its true that BBL has kids going to LE then it makes it worse for the Mad Dog kids.

Wishful thinking, no loyalty with the RFH kids, head coach will push top kids to LE

Truth be told....I don't think the top RFH kids will play enough at LE. They will be in the 18-32 range so why would they go? They would get way more playing time at Mad Dog.

they will go to Tristate before Mad Dog

I think he was referring to the younger kids on Mad Dog from a post he did not quote. Not the 2023's from RFH that are already committed

I realize that, but you have to understand the RFH mentality. They see those top recruits at LE, they will want their kids on LE...look no further than the 2023's that left Blue Star,,it will trickle down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think he was referring to the younger kids on Mad Dog from a post he did not quote. Not the 2023's from RFH that are already committed

I realize that, but you have to understand the RFH mentality. They see those top recruits at LE, they will want their kids on LE...look no further than the 2023's that left Blue Star,,it will trickle down.

If I am not mistaken, RFH already has a lot of young talent on the younger Tri-State and LE teams already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think he was referring to the younger kids on Mad Dog from a post he did not quote. Not the 2023's from RFH that are already committed

I realize that, but you have to understand the RFH mentality. They see those top recruits at LE, they will want their kids on LE...look no further than the 2023's that left Blue Star,,it will trickle down.

I did not make the first post but Mad Dog puts more people at the D1 level than LE amongst others. I believe what he was trying to say was that at the 2025 grade and below, Mad Dog has a large group of kids and the teams are all pretty good. Someone else said the RFH kids would leave. Then someone else said why would they leave when they are on a good team and gets playing time now and if they leave they could be in the middle or the bottom of the barrel on LE. WHEW!!!! It sounds like the Manasquan and Wall kids are not going to leave them in the future. Hope that makes sense and lets move onto another club LOL.

I didn’t know one player makes a team.

Re: Mad Dog putting kids at the D1 level.

It is important to recognize that Mad Dog runs East and West Coast teams that combine for a National team. I believe the majority of their D1 guys are West Coast players. In the past, they have had a good mix such as the 2021 class but recent history has favored the West. I also recognize their 2025 East team is very talented.

Kids may choose to leave Mad Dog for another NJ program if they don’t make the National team as that could limit their exposure.I’m not sure how practices work with the east/west/national teams but that could be a factor as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: Mad Dog putting kids at the D1 level.

It is important to recognize that Mad Dog runs East and West Coast teams that combine for a National team. I believe the majority of their D1 guys are West Coast players. In the past, they have had a good mix such as the 2021 class but recent history has favored the West. I also recognize their 2025 East team is very talented.

Kids may choose to leave Mad Dog for another NJ program if they don’t make the National team as that could limit their exposure.I’m not sure how practices work with the east/west/national teams but that could be a factor as well.

They did not have a 21, 22 and 23 team that is why the east did not put anyone into college. Those from NJ played on their west coast team or national. Their talent begins at the 25 level and down; plain and simple, those ages will get kids into college. Likewise, they have a pretty big pool of talent at those levels. Lets move on like the other dude said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what happened to the Towerman? I am assuming they stayed together. I do not know one parent or kid on the team but I find their situation intriguing.

Great question, let's get off one group of clueless dads, Mad Dog & move to the other clueless dads Toweman!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Kids leave this summer and BBL 25 team and it is decimated? I think 25 is okay as long as the only player on 25 you really ever slide to leaves. The kid from West Essex. If that double leaves forget that team.

To clarify, there are 4 kids that are leaving this year. The best goalie, attackman, fogo, and second best middie all left this year. The best LSM left last year. That makes 5 of the top 6 kids that have left.

Wow. fool. I thought bbl 25 were deeper than that honestly. Tough loss. That number 1 that remains is 1,2 and 3 on that team so will be interesting. He was the only player in NJ to start Freshmen year from day 1 in NJ as an offensive player and not as a fogo or goalie or defender in a long time.

Fair enough on the middie. He is for sure the guy. But to lose the meat and potatoes of your team to other programs before important recruiting years is an issue.

I agree he is the guy. But, he was not the only freshman in NJ to start from day 1. There's a lot of "internal issues" with BBL 2025 that had players leave to go to other clubs. One player does not make a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what happened to the Towerman? I am assuming they stayed together. I do not know one parent or kid on the team but I find their situation intriguing.

Great question, let's get off one group of clueless dads, Mad Dog & move to the other clueless dads Toweman!

Clueless dad here. Towermen is alive and well. Only one player left the team and that was only because he reclassed. Great kids and awesome coaches. Like minded parents who appreciate the multi sport mentality and a very realistic schedule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bbl 2025 team is decimated. All the best players other than the 1 top player have all left. Good for him to show loyalty, but seems as though there is a major issue if 2025s are all leaving.

Loyalty? There's no loyalty when BBL puts all their resources into one player. And free tuition doesn't hurt either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think he was referring to the younger kids on Mad Dog from a post he did not quote. Not the 2023's from RFH that are already committed

I realize that, but you have to understand the RFH mentality. They see those top recruits at LE, they will want their kids on LE...look no further than the 2023's that left Blue Star,,it will trickle down.

Curious. How did that work out for the 2023 Bluestar kids? Any of them get recruited to top schools? Honest question.

Curious. How did that work out for the 2023 Bluestar kids? Any of them get recruited to top schools? Honest question.

Currently, none have committed. That's not to say that they aren't good lacrosse players, they probably just need to be more realistic about where they can play,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think he was referring to the younger kids on Mad Dog from a post he did not quote. Not the 2023's from RFH that are already committed

I realize that, but you have to understand the RFH mentality. They see those top recruits at LE, they will want their kids on LE...look no further than the 2023's that left Blue Star,,it will trickle down.

Curious. How did that work out for the 2023 Bluestar kids? Any of them get recruited to top schools? Honest question.

Maryland, Delaware & Cornell + a few D3

Maryland, Delaware & Cornell + a few D3

I believe that the poster was referring to the Blue Star kids that left for LE

So the Bluestar Kids who left Bluestar did so to get more playing time and more exposure at Leading Edge? Just trying to get the rationale, but that doesn’t add up in my mind. Figure at this point play where you are and get noticed.

As an outsider with younger kids I don’t seem to see bluestar mentioned often in the higher level club discussions but it looks like they get a decent number of kids playing in college

As an outsider with younger kids I don’t seem to see bluestar mentioned often in the higher level club discussions but it looks like they get a decent number of kids playing in college

Every club has its advantages and disadvantages. While there are a lot of biases and opinions on this forum, you need to assess what situation is best for your kid. It is a mistake to classify a club as high level vs. another, Blue Star, much like LE, Tri State, Riot etc. mostly play in the same caliber tournaments (other than the NLF which is a closed ecosystem, but probably dying a slow death). Your kid will get comparable exposure on any of these clubs, and I think that you are 100% correct, just look at their commit pages, that clearly shows that all of these clubs have high level recruits, including D1and high academic D3's. Having been through the ringer with some of these clubs and the recruiting process, I assure you that if your kid is good enough, any of these clubs will get him exposure.

good stuff, thanks ^^^^

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As an outsider with younger kids I don’t seem to see bluestar mentioned often in the higher level club discussions but it looks like they get a decent number of kids playing in college

Every club has its advantages and disadvantages. While there are a lot of biases and opinions on this forum, you need to assess what situation is best for your kid. It is a mistake to classify a club as high level vs. another, Blue Star, much like LE, Tri State, Riot etc. mostly play in the same caliber tournaments (other than the NLF which is a closed ecosystem, but probably dying a slow death). Your kid will get comparable exposure on any of these clubs, and I think that you are 100% correct, just look at their commit pages, that clearly shows that all of these clubs have high level recruits, including D1and high academic D3's. Having been through the ringer with some of these clubs and the recruiting process, I assure you that if your kid is good enough, any of these clubs will get him exposure.

Blue star is in no way the same caliber of lacrosse as TS, LE or BBL.

Blue star is in no way the same caliber of lacrosse as TS, LE or BBL.[/quote]

Thank you for bringing some sanity to the discussion. The coaching, player talent level, and quality of tournaments they enter needs improvement.

If you want an impartial perspective on the quality of the programs, check out the rankings on USCL. They give a general idea of how these programs stack up at different ages.

Blue star is in no way the same caliber of lacrosse as TS, LE or BBL.

I was not suggesting that the caliber of talent top to bottom is the same, its is not, I was referring to the tournaments that they play. I understand that they are not at tournaments like Crab Feast and Naptown, but there is just as much exposure at the tournaments that they play, i.e. NAL, Sweetlax, Pinnacle as examples. So putting aside the overall talent on the team, Blue Star is achieving the same goal as the other clubs, putting their best players on top college teams, isn't that what most of us are looking for. Yes, there may be a drop off in talent on the roster, but the kids that are good enough are getting the exposure and the offers with a lot less organizational drama. As far as coaching goes, I would argue that their players may be getting equal, if not better, coaching from the top D1 talent on the sidelines. I imagine that many of the comments comparing programs come from the parents of younger kids, so I completely understand why you feel the way that you do about clubs like Blue Star, I was not much different a few years ago, but I assure you that your attitude will change when you get beat up by the recruiting process, it is brutal, and when your kid is not the one getting all of the calls on 9/1, the first place you will look to is your club director, and as things progress, and you kid is not getting the offers he wants, you will slowly realize that you are basically on your own.

Man, always a lot of Vitriol on here. Be confident in your decisions, no need to project. The previous posters seemed to give a well reasoned and informative post. W/L in summer ball? The primary reason you play high school club lacrosse in the summer is to get recruited in college. At the younger ages it’s learning the game and having fun.

I just glanced at their last few years for colleges. By that measure if those club rankings are correct, Blue Star outkicks their coverage via college placement. Looks like four D1 already this year, and high level D1 at that. Putting aside the high end D3 schools listed. Past years look pretty good as well. What are they doing better than these clubs with more wins? I don’t know but it’s interesting. They were ranked one millionth in that ranking you posted. The only real measure for club is placement rate. That is it.

What’s the point of being number 12-20 on the bench of the top club, start somewhere else and actually get seen.

Secondly club is critical if you are at a lower level high school program. Kids here want to win county’s states and TOC (no longer), although you want to do well during the summer, this is what matters. If you play for a high level public, or parochial, you’ll get seen. High school tournaments run after most colleges have stopped playing. This is your showcase. If you play for a crappy high school, club is more important, no one is coming to see you play. Think of the added club fees as a property tax you thought you would save.

That said if you actually play on a high level Nj high school program you more than likely play club ( Summit, BWR, RFH, w field, hunt central ridge wood private/parochials).

my favorite part of these threads are the "clueless dad" comments. just because your son wears a leading edge pinney doesn't mean you know anything about the game of lacrosse!

my favorite part of these threads are the "clueless dad" comments. just because your son wears a leading edge pinney doesn't mean you know anything about the game of lacrosse!

Almost as ridiculous as making any decision/comment based upon meaningless US Club Lacrosse rankings.

Solid follow- up, I was referencing your post mine came in at the same time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Man, always a lot of Vitriol on here. Be confident in your decisions, no need to project. The previous posters seemed to give a well reasoned and informative post. W/L in summer ball? The primary reason you play high school club lacrosse in the summer is to get recruited in college. At the younger ages it’s learning the game and having fun.

I just glanced at their last few years for colleges. By that measure if those club rankings are correct, Blue Star outkicks their coverage via college placement. Looks like four D1 already this year, and high level D1 at that. Putting aside the high end D3 schools listed. Past years look pretty good as well. What are they doing better than these clubs with more wins? I don’t know but it’s interesting. They were ranked one millionth in that ranking you posted. The only real measure for club is placement rate. That is it.

Here is a list of NJ clubs that had more college commits than Blue Star in the 2022 class - TS, Riot, LE, Patriot, BBL, NJLC, 2KL, O2, Steps, Team 91. Southshore, Brotherhood, and Evolution. And keep in mind that Blue Star has multiple teams at some age groups (not sure if 2022 is one of them). To say that Blue Star is doing something better with recruiting than these other clubs with more wins is not accurate.

I agree that the most important thing in HS club lacrosse is getting the kids recruited. However, this can also be a lagging indicator of the health of an organization. LE and TS draw a ton of new talent in HS so the success of their youth programs is not a predictor of HS success. That said, most other programs have to develop talent from their youth programs. With the success of 3D Garden State and NJ Express at the youth level, look for them to be moving up the recruiting charts in the future if they can hold onto their talent. These 2 programs also happen to be based in areas where Blue Star used to pull a lot of talent from. Only so many talented kids in these areas . . .

Thanks, I get that and I think TS BBL and LE lead the pack by far, Riot does well with placement but the next clubs you mention have very low numbers:
EVO they have six all d3 right now,
steps all d 3 zero d one. so on and so forth
The point made was that Blue star had 6 d one offers and was low ranked. Its either development, coaching or a good recruiting director. People were saying it isn't wins it has to be something.

I appreciate the shared experience from the above poster mentioning the ringer he went through and perhaps a few words of wisdom.

As an aside 3d is losing quality kids at the 26-29 years apparently. Was a tough summer for them and many kids have gone other places at that age, BBL, TS LE seem to be the stop spots...3D seems to be an incubator for youth, but cannot hang on to kids at the high school level. The areas they draw from have expendable dollars and many kids also go private, which will then bring them to a different club.

I do have a wandering interest in Towerman, can they keep up their success, its interesting and neat to see a one off lead their grade and be highest rank in NJ. They have so far stuck together, which is impressive. Good for them

Here is a list of NJ clubs that had more college commits than Blue Star in the 2022 class - TS, Riot, LE, Patriot, BBL, NJLC, 2KL, O2, Steps, Team 91. Southshore, Brotherhood, and Evolution. And keep in mind that Blue Star has multiple teams at some age groups (not sure if 2022 is one of them). To say that Blue Star is doing something better with recruiting than these other clubs with more wins is not accurate.

Last post on the issue. As I said before, I agree that clubs like TS, BBL and LE have talent deeper on their rosters, but as you make very clear above, all of these clubs are getting kids committed, so its not about which team/club is doing it better, it's about exposure. Not one college coach cares about your club team's record or ranking. Best of luck to all of you that start the journey on 9/1, it is an exciting time, just try to keep things in perspective.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the Bluestar Kids who left Bluestar did so to get more playing time and more exposure at Leading Edge? Just trying to get the rationale, but that doesn’t add up in my mind. Figure at this point play where you are and get noticed.

As an outsider with younger kids I don’t seem to see bluestar mentioned often in the higher level club discussions but it looks like they get a decent number of kids playing in college

Bluestar is a decent club. A top kid will get seen playing for them. But in general they don’t have as deep a team as the big 3. Talent pool in SJ has been light of late.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious. How did that work out for the 2023 Bluestar kids? Any of them get recruited to top schools? Honest question.

Currently, none have committed. That's not to say that they aren't good lacrosse players, they probably just need to be more realistic about where they can play,

That’s a shame. Good players. I guess the grass isn’t always greener.

Last post on the issue. As I said before, I agree that clubs like TS, BBL and LE have talent deeper on their rosters, but as you make very clear above, all of these clubs are getting kids committed, so its not about which team/club is doing it better, it's about exposure. Not one college coach cares about your club team's record or ranking. Best of luck to all of you that start the journey on 9/1, it is an exciting time, just try to keep things in perspective.[/quote]

The most important thing for HS club lacrosse is getting recruited. These club programs aren't cold calling D1 schools trying to get your son recruited. The best thing they can do for your kid is get them visibility in front of the most/best college coaches. If your club team is not going to NLF, Crabfeast, Naptown, Pinnacle, etc that doesn't mean you can't go high level D1, but it does mean that you are likely going to have to work harder (and pay more) to get that visibility through showcases and prospect days.

And I agree that the USCL rankings are meaningless, but the site is a valuable source of info to understand what tourneys each of these programs are going to. Not always easy to find this info on club team websites.

Curious. How did that work out for the 2023 Bluestar kids? Any of them get recruited to top schools? Honest question.

Currently, none have committed. That's not to say that they aren't good lacrosse players, they probably just need to be more realistic about where they can play,

That’s a shame. Good players. I guess the grass isn’t always greener.

Agreed. I suspect that you will see a few of these kids do a PG year, but certainly no guaranty that a PG year will put you in a better place in the end.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks, I get that and I think TS BBL and LE lead the pack by far, Riot does well with placement but the next clubs you mention have very low numbers:
EVO they have six all d3 right now,
steps all d 3 zero d one. so on and so forth
The point made was that Blue star had 6 d one offers and was low ranked. Its either development, coaching or a good recruiting director. People were saying it isn't wins it has to be something.

I appreciate the shared experience from the above poster mentioning the ringer he went through and perhaps a few words of wisdom.

As an aside 3d is losing quality kids at the 26-29 years apparently. Was a tough summer for them and many kids have gone other places at that age, BBL, TS LE seem to be the stop spots...3D seems to be an incubator for youth, but cannot hang on to kids at the high school level. The areas they draw from have expendable dollars and many kids also go private, which will then bring them to a different club.

I do have a wandering interest in Towerman, can they keep up their success, its interesting and neat to see a one off lead their grade and be highest rank in NJ. They have so far stuck together, which is impressive. Good for them

I think Towermen will lose ground to LE because of a noble thing called loyalty. LE drops and picks up kids in 9th and 10th grade while Towermen stays loyal to their players. Love the loyalty. BBL suffers the same thing. A summit, Westfield, Chatham kid will never be cut for a non Westfield, Summit, Chatham kid. BBL knows they need to keep their youth program rec departments happy at the expense of getting better. Loyalty is good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks, I get that and I think TS BBL and LE lead the pack by far, Riot does well with placement but the next clubs you mention have very low numbers:
EVO they have six all d3 right now,
steps all d 3 zero d one. so on and so forth
The point made was that Blue star had 6 d one offers and was low ranked. Its either development, coaching or a good recruiting director. People were saying it isn't wins it has to be something.

I appreciate the shared experience from the above poster mentioning the ringer he went through and perhaps a few words of wisdom.

As an aside 3d is losing quality kids at the 26-29 years apparently. Was a tough summer for them and many kids have gone other places at that age, BBL, TS LE seem to be the stop spots...3D seems to be an incubator for youth, but cannot hang on to kids at the high school level. The areas they draw from have expendable dollars and many kids also go private, which will then bring them to a different club.

I do have a wandering interest in Towerman, can they keep up their success, its interesting and neat to see a one off lead their grade and be highest rank in NJ. They have so far stuck together, which is impressive. Good for them

I think Towermen will lose ground to LE because of a noble thing called loyalty. LE drops and picks up kids in 9th and 10th grade while Towermen stays loyal to their players. Love the loyalty. BBL suffers the same thing. A summit, Westfield, Chatham kid will never be cut for a non Westfield, Summit, Chatham kid. BBL knows they need to keep their youth program rec departments happy at the expense of getting better. Loyalty is good.

Loyalty is not only noble, but it creates better team chemistry over time and that is a huge advantage over teams that overhaul their teams every season.

Club loyalty helps the kids in the bottom third of the roster . . . and it hurts the kids in the top third of the roster. Top kids want to improve their team by adding more talent. If top clubs aren't continually looking to improve, they will be passed . . . and then the top kids on their team will leave for the better programs.

Ultimately clubs are about as loyal as their options. Most clubs will give a tie to an incumbent, but if a clearly better kid comes along they will find a spot for him.

I don't know much about Tmen. Have they had turnover or is their current roster the same one they've had for the last few years?

By the way, things are changing at BBL regarding your Summit/Westfield/Chatham comment. I think they realize that "loyalty" is a reason why they may have lost top kids to LE in the past.

No loyalty at the top levels - and with reclasses needing to find a home in these huge lax clubs - goodbye to team chemistry. I have seen reclasses take sports from better kids, who have chemistry. Don't get it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks, I get that and I think TS BBL and LE lead the pack by far, Riot does well with placement but the next clubs you mention have very low numbers:
EVO they have six all d3 right now,
steps all d 3 zero d one. so on and so forth
The point made was that Blue star had 6 d one offers and was low ranked. Its either development, coaching or a good recruiting director. People were saying it isn't wins it has to be something.

I appreciate the shared experience from the above poster mentioning the ringer he went through and perhaps a few words of wisdom.

As an aside 3d is losing quality kids at the 26-29 years apparently. Was a tough summer for them and many kids have gone other places at that age, BBL, TS LE seem to be the stop spots...3D seems to be an incubator for youth, but cannot hang on to kids at the high school level. The areas they draw from have expendable dollars and many kids also go private, which will then bring them to a different club.

I do have a wandering interest in Towerman, can they keep up their success, its interesting and neat to see a one off lead their grade and be highest rank in NJ. They have so far stuck together, which is impressive. Good for them

I think Towermen will lose ground to LE because of a noble thing called loyalty. LE drops and picks up kids in 9th and 10th grade while Towermen stays loyal to their players. Love the loyalty. BBL suffers the same thing. A summit, Westfield, Chatham kid will never be cut for a non Westfield, Summit, Chatham kid. BBL knows they need to keep their youth program rec departments happy at the expense of getting better. Loyalty is good.

Loyalty is not only noble, but it creates better team chemistry over time and that is a huge advantage over teams that overhaul their teams every season.

huge advantage how?

Loyalty is not only noble, but it creates better team chemistry over time and that is a huge advantage over teams that overhaul their teams every season.

Everything you say is true, but what you need to realize is that the success of the team is really secondary. While it is nice to wins games and tournaments at the youth level, it means absolutely nothing at the high school level, kids just want to be seen by college coaches. LE 2023 is the perfect example, they are a very good 2023 team, not the best, and some would argue that they have awful chemistry, but they aggregate a lot of top players and are competitive at good tournaments with lots of exposure (and not a LE parent).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No loyalty at the top levels - and with reclasses needing to find a home in these huge lax clubs - goodbye to team chemistry. I have seen reclasses take sports from better kids, who have chemistry. Don't get it

It's easy, your players/kids are a commodity. The financially successful clubs use them to draw in more money. This is business! The funny part is the parent that uses "loyalty" to defend staying at a lower-level club is the same parent that uses "money-grab" when their club adds 5 players to backfill for the 2 that leave for another club.

If your kid is not one on the 9/1 recruits for any of these clubs, you will slowly realize that "loyalty" only goes so far. Your kid has to put the time and effort in to reach out to these coaches and try and develop some type chemistry with a school that they are interested in.

The point I was trying to make is that these club coaches are not out there proactively trying to get your kid recruited if they are not among the top players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks, I get that and I think TS BBL and LE lead the pack by far, Riot does well with placement but the next clubs you mention have very low numbers:
EVO they have six all d3 right now,
steps all d 3 zero d one. so on and so forth
The point made was that Blue star had 6 d one offers and was low ranked. Its either development, coaching or a good recruiting director. People were saying it isn't wins it has to be something.

I appreciate the shared experience from the above poster mentioning the ringer he went through and perhaps a few words of wisdom.

As an aside 3d is losing quality kids at the 26-29 years apparently. Was a tough summer for them and many kids have gone other places at that age, BBL, TS LE seem to be the stop spots...3D seems to be an incubator for youth, but cannot hang on to kids at the high school level. The areas they draw from have expendable dollars and many kids also go private, which will then bring them to a different club.

I do have a wandering interest in Towerman, can they keep up their success, its interesting and neat to see a one off lead their grade and be highest rank in NJ. They have so far stuck together, which is impressive. Good for them

I think Towermen will lose ground to LE because of a noble thing called loyalty. LE drops and picks up kids in 9th and 10th grade while Towermen stays loyal to their players. Love the loyalty. BBL suffers the same thing. A summit, Westfield, Chatham kid will never be cut for a non Westfield, Summit, Chatham kid. BBL knows they need to keep their youth program rec departments happy at the expense of getting better. Loyalty is good.

Loyalty is not only noble, but it creates better team chemistry over time and that is a huge advantage over teams that overhaul their teams every season.

huge advantage how?

You're talking about club lacrosse....
At the grade school level maybe its about team chemistry. Def about having fun, getting better, making friends and getting some t-shirts. Middle School, have fun, play club at a top level with friends and start seeing where you are in the lax universe.. HS, club is every man and team for themselves. If you're good and looking to get recruited so go where that will happen. Team chemistry and wins that matter are for the HS season. I get it but the only loyalty required here is to your family. Honesty on the other hand is a different story. Tryout season feels like a game of survivor. How does that player know where he stands to manage tryouts and team movement.

You're talking about club lacrosse....

At the grade school level maybe it's about team chemistry. Def about having fun, getting better, making friends and getting some t-shirts. Middle School, have fun, play club at a top level with friends and start seeing where you are in the lax universe. HS, club is every man and team for themselves. If you're good and looking to get recruited so go where that will happen. Team chemistry and wins that matter are for the HS season. I get it but the only loyalty required here is to your family. Honesty on the other hand is a different story. Tryout season feels like a game of survivor. How does that player know where he stands to manage tryouts and team movement?

This is exactly right, and if you kid is one of the fortunate few to get the D1 offer, it doesn't get any better in college, every practice is a tryout, a lot of kids competing for very limited field time, always having that scholarship money hanging over your head is a ton of pressure....not cutting it, goodbye scholarship.

College playing time is no guarantee. I agree with think education and after college when selecting a college.

Enjoy their high school games and club games. Hopefully they are able to play more than one sport in high school because lax burnout is real.

You need to ask yourself a bunch of hard questions when you are thinking about playing college lacrosse:
Do I want to be an impact player and probably get minutes as a frosh and maybe not be the best academics or “coolest” college?
Do I want to play for the best team that I get recruited to and maybe not get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the best academic school I can get into and maybe won’t get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the coolest college I can get into and maybe not get any minutes?
Only the best players can check all four boxes. You need to figure out what you really want out of college before you make your list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You need to ask yourself a bunch of hard questions when you are thinking about playing college lacrosse:
Do I want to be an impact player and probably get minutes as a frosh and maybe not be the best academics or “coolest” college?
Do I want to play for the best team that I get recruited to and maybe not get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the best academic school I can get into and maybe won’t get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the coolest college I can get into and maybe not get any minutes?
Only the best players can check all four boxes. You need to figure out what you really want out of college before you make your list.

Good post. I would add, what geographic area do you want to be in?

You need to ask yourself a bunch of hard questions when you are thinking about playing college lacrosse:
Do I want to be an impact player and probably get minutes as a frosh and maybe not be the best academics or “coolest” college?
Do I want to play for the best team that I get recruited to and maybe not get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the best academic school I can get into and maybe won’t get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the coolest college I can get into and maybe not get any minutes?
Only the best players can check all four boxes. You need to figure out what you really want out of college before you make your list.

Basically, what do I want the next 4 years of my life to look like. Do I want to have a life in college, or is lacrosse practice and weight training every day my idea of college. As I have said before, if your kid has the chance to have a real heart-to-heart talk with a few college players, D1, D2 and D3...take the time to listen, it can be a real eye opener, and it may give your kid a little more perspective on what they want. My son was lucky to have a few high-level D1 and high academic D3 mentors, they really were a terrific resource.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You need to ask yourself a bunch of hard questions when you are thinking about playing college lacrosse:
Do I want to be an impact player and probably get minutes as a frosh and maybe not be the best academics or “coolest” college?
Do I want to play for the best team that I get recruited to and maybe not get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the best academic school I can get into and maybe won’t get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the coolest college I can get into and maybe not get any minutes?
Only the best players can check all four boxes. You need to figure out what you really want out of college before you make your list.

Good point. I would just say that it is very rare for freshman to play their first year in college. Unless your a superstar going to like a Drexel. Its just so rare. Esp at the good schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You need to ask yourself a bunch of hard questions when you are thinking about playing college lacrosse:
Do I want to be an impact player and probably get minutes as a frosh and maybe not be the best academics or “coolest” college?
Do I want to play for the best team that I get recruited to and maybe not get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the best academic school I can get into and maybe won’t get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the coolest college I can get into and maybe not get any minutes?
Only the best players can check all four boxes. You need to figure out what you really want out of college before you make your list.

Good point. I would just say that it is very rare for freshman to play their first year in college. Unless your a superstar going to like a Drexel. Its just so rare. Esp at the good schools.

Not true with a D1 caliber player who chooses to go D3 for exactly that reason. They want minutes all 4 years and many of the get them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You need to ask yourself a bunch of hard questions when you are thinking about playing college lacrosse:
Do I want to be an impact player and probably get minutes as a frosh and maybe not be the best academics or “coolest” college?
Do I want to play for the best team that I get recruited to and maybe not get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the best academic school I can get into and maybe won’t get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the coolest college I can get into and maybe not get any minutes?
Only the best players can check all four boxes. You need to figure out what you really want out of college before you make your list.

Good point. I would just say that it is very rare for freshman to play their first year in college. Unless your a superstar going to like a Drexel. Its just so rare. Esp at the good schools.

Not true with a D1 caliber player who chooses to go D3 for exactly that reason. They want minutes all 4 years and many of the get them.

100%, but my guess is that the poster was referencing a freshman getting D1 playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You need to ask yourself a bunch of hard questions when you are thinking about playing college lacrosse:
Do I want to be an impact player and probably get minutes as a frosh and maybe not be the best academics or “coolest” college?
Do I want to play for the best team that I get recruited to and maybe not get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the best academic school I can get into and maybe won’t get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the coolest college I can get into and maybe not get any minutes?
Only the best players can check all four boxes. You need to figure out what you really want out of college before you make your list.

Good point. I would just say that it is very rare for freshman to play their first year in college. Unless your a superstar going to like a Drexel. Its just so rare. Esp at the good schools.

Not true with a D1 caliber player who chooses to go D3 for exactly that reason. They want minutes all 4 years and many of the get them.

It's more than just minutes, most D1 caliber players choose D3 for academic reasons. Williams vs Drexel. Not that Drexel is a bad school but Williams is better and less expensive even if you get a little money to play D1. Unless parents want a "D1 Athlete on Board" sticker why would you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You need to ask yourself a bunch of hard questions when you are thinking about playing college lacrosse:
Do I want to be an impact player and probably get minutes as a frosh and maybe not be the best academics or “coolest” college?
Do I want to play for the best team that I get recruited to and maybe not get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the best academic school I can get into and maybe won’t get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the coolest college I can get into and maybe not get any minutes?
Only the best players can check all four boxes. You need to figure out what you really want out of college before you make your list.

Good point. I would just say that it is very rare for freshman to play their first year in college. Unless your a superstar going to like a Drexel. Its just so rare. Esp at the good schools.

Not true with a D1 caliber player who chooses to go D3 for exactly that reason. They want minutes all 4 years and many of the get them.

It's more than just minutes, most D1 caliber players choose D3 for academic reasons. Williams vs Drexel. Not that Drexel is a bad school but Williams is better and less expensive even if you get a little money to play D1. Unless parents want a "D1 Athlete on Board" sticker why would you?

You make a valid point, but outside of a top D1 academic school or the ivies, I suspect that a kid that can get admitted to Williams, or any NESCAC academically for that matter, is not considering a lower tier D1 program.

Whether it is right or it is wrong, some kids may choose a lower academic D1 for the experience over a better academic D3. It does go both ways. I am not saying one way is right or wrong. If you are recruited by say Penn State and Tufts, what do you do? To each his own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whether it is right or it is wrong, some kids may choose a lower academic D1 for the experience over a better academic D3. It does go both ways. I am not saying one way is right or wrong. If you are recruited by say Penn State and Tufts, what do you do? To each his own.

I do not think that this is the scenario that the poster was envisioning, a prior post mentioned Drexel (not knocking Drexel in any way), so the discussion was really more focused on a kid choosing Drexel for the D1 experience over a much higher rated (academically) D3 school. A kid that is getting recruited by Penn State is in a much different category talent wise than the kid getting recruited by Drexel, and probably 75% of the other D1 schools. However, using your example, I would probably go with Tufts, a top recruit would get a lot of playing time, get an amazing education and be in a position to perhaps win one or more national championships, and as another poster noted earlier, many of the D3 schools offer equal, if not better, financial packages than the D1 schools

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whether it is right or it is wrong, some kids may choose a lower academic D1 for the experience over a better academic D3. It does go both ways. I am not saying one way is right or wrong. If you are recruited by say Penn State and Tufts, what do you do? To each his own.

I do not think that this is the scenario that the poster was envisioning, a prior post mentioned Drexel (not knocking Drexel in any way), so the discussion was really more focused on a kid choosing Drexel for the D1 experience over a much higher

rated (academically) D3 school. A kid that is getting recruited by Penn State is in a much different category talent wise than the kid getting recruited by Drexel, and probably 75% of the other D1 schools. However, using your example, I would probably go with Tufts, a top recruit would get a lot of playing time, get an amazing education and be in a position to perhaps win one or more national championships, and as another poster noted earlier, many of the D3 schools offer equal, if not better, financial packages than the D1 schools

You’ve just exposed yourself for not knowing anything about the college lacrosse landscape. The difference in recruit talent between Drexel and Penn State is marginal at best. If you can get recruited by Drexel you can get recruited by Penn State and vice versa. The widest margins in talent are obviously between the upper level (consistent top 10-20 teams) and the bottom 10-20 teams. Your post is pure ignorance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whether it is right or it is wrong, some kids may choose a lower academic D1 for the experience over a better academic D3. It does go both ways. I am not saying one way is right or wrong. If you are recruited by say Penn State and Tufts, what do you do? To each his own.

I do not think that this is the scenario that the poster was envisioning, a prior post mentioned Drexel (not knocking Drexel in any way), so the discussion was really more focused on a kid choosing Drexel for the D1 experience over a much higher rated (academically) D3 school. A kid that is getting recruited by Penn State is in a much different category talent wise than the kid getting recruited by Drexel, and probably 75% of the other D1 schools. However, using your example, I would probably go with Tufts, a top recruit would get a lot of playing time, get an amazing education and be in a position to perhaps win one or more national championships, and as another poster noted earlier, many of the D3 schools offer equal, if not better, financial packages than the D1 schools

BTW - In re-reading your post, I see that we are on the same page, I just got caught up with the Penn State/Tufts part.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You need to ask yourself a bunch of hard questions when you are thinking about playing college lacrosse:
Do I want to be an impact player and probably get minutes as a frosh and maybe not be the best academics or “coolest” college?
Do I want to play for the best team that I get recruited to and maybe not get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the best academic school I can get into and maybe won’t get any minutes at all?
Do I want to go to the coolest college I can get into and maybe not get any minutes?
Only the best players can check all four boxes. You need to figure out what you really want out of college before you make your list.

Good point. I would just say that it is very rare for freshman to play their first year in college. Unless your a superstar going to like a Drexel. Its just so rare. Esp at the good schools.

Not true with a D1 caliber player who chooses to go D3 for exactly that reason. They want minutes all 4 years and many of the get them.

It's more than just minutes, most D1 caliber players choose D3 for academic reasons. Williams vs Drexel. Not that Drexel is a bad school but Williams is better and less expensive even if you get a little money to play D1. Unless parents want a "D1 Athlete on Board" sticker why would you?

You make a valid point, but outside of a top D1 academic school or the ivies, I suspect that a kid that can get admitted to Williams, or any NESCAC academically for that matter, is not considering a lower tier D1 program.

100% agree. Every one of this kids that commits in July to a top D3 academic school are capable of playing D1. A wise decision for the long game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whether it is right or it is wrong, some kids may choose a lower academic D1 for the experience over a better academic D3. It does go both ways. I am not saying one way is right or wrong. If you are recruited by say Penn State and Tufts, what do you do? To each his own.

I do not think that this is the scenario that the poster was envisioning, a prior post mentioned Drexel (not knocking Drexel in any way), so the discussion was really more focused on a kid choosing Drexel for the D1 experience over a much higher

rated (academically) D3 school. A kid that is getting recruited by Penn State is in a much different category talent wise than the kid getting recruited by Drexel, and probably 75% of the other D1 schools. However, using your example, I would probably go with Tufts, a top recruit would get a lot of playing time, get an amazing education and be in a position to perhaps win one or more national championships, and as another poster noted earlier, many of the D3 schools offer equal, if not better, financial packages than the D1 schools

You’ve just exposed yourself for not knowing anything about the college lacrosse landscape. The difference in recruit talent between Drexel and Penn State is marginal at best. If you can get recruited by Drexel you can get recruited by Penn State and vice versa. The widest margins in talent are obviously between the upper level (consistent top 10-20 teams) and the bottom 10-20 teams. Your post is pure ignorance

This is so very incorrect it’s astonishing.

You’ve just exposed yourself for not knowing anything about the college lacrosse landscape. The difference in recruit talent between Drexel and Penn State is marginal at best. If you can get recruited by Drexel you can get recruited by Penn State and vice versa. The widest margins in talent are obviously between the upper level (consistent top 10-20 teams) and the bottom 10-20 teams. Your post is pure ignorance

No..you just exposed yourself. If you think that the Drexel kid and the Penn State kid are on the same level, you are sorely mistaken. While both of those kids may look good on paper, and maybe the Drexel kid puts in some quality time on the field, to most knowledgeable observers, that Penn State kid is far better and possesses those intangibles that the Drexel kid simply does not have. Yes, a kid getting recruited by Penn State can get recruited by Drexel, or any other D1 for that matter, but the inverse is simply not true, and I would venture to guess that a lot of the top D3 players would have a better shot at Penn State than the Drexel kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You’ve just exposed yourself for not knowing anything about the college lacrosse landscape. The difference in recruit talent between Drexel and Penn State is marginal at best. If you can get recruited by Drexel you can get recruited by Penn State and vice versa. The widest margins in talent are obviously between the upper level (consistent top 10-20 teams) and the bottom 10-20 teams. Your post is pure ignorance

No..you just exposed yourself. If you think that the Drexel kid and the Penn State kid are on the same level, you are sorely mistaken. While both of those kids may look good on paper, and maybe the Drexel kid puts in some quality time on the field, to most knowledgeable observers, that Penn State kid is far better and possesses those intangibles that the Drexel kid simply does not have. Yes, a kid getting recruited by Penn State can get recruited by Drexel, or any other D1 for that matter, but the inverse is simply not true, and I would venture to guess that a lot of the top D3 players would have a better shot at Penn State than the Drexel kid.

I would argue that Penn state, despite this past season, has significantly more recruiting pull than Drexel.

September 1 is days away. Very exciting time for some of our kids. Who in NJ will be off the board early?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

September 1 is days away. Very exciting time for some of our kids. Who in NJ will be off the board early?

Without using names.....LE Goalie, Tri State Goalie from Lawrenceville, Mad Dog Goalie....BBL Middie from DB, LE Defender from DB, LE Attack from Pingry, both BBL attackman from Westfield and SHP, Tri State Middie from Red Bank, Tri States three attacks from SHP (2) and Princeton are all outstanding scorers but system guys but will go, just not sure how early. I am sure there are others but if you look at Inside Lacrosse's recent article, college coaches feel the 2024's have a smaller amount of star power kids, but have a large group of mid to above average kids who could play in college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

September 1 is days away. Very exciting time for some of our kids. Who in NJ will be off the board early?

Without using names.....LE Goalie, Tri State Goalie from Lawrenceville, Mad Dog Goalie....BBL Middie from DB, LE Defender from DB, LE Attack from Pingry, both BBL attackman from Westfield and SHP, Tri State Middie from Red Bank, Tri States three attacks from SHP (2) and Princeton are all outstanding scorers but system guys but will go, just not sure how early. I am sure there are others but if you look at Inside Lacrosse's recent article, college coaches feel the 2024's have a smaller amount of star power kids, but have a large group of mid to above average kids who could play in college.

This is actually a pretty fair assessment. In regards to the Inside Lacrosse article, for NJ, I think that the 2024 class will play out a lot like the 2023 class.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

September 1 is days away. Very exciting time for some of our kids. Who in NJ will be off the board early?

Without using names.....LE Goalie, Tri State Goalie from Lawrenceville, Mad Dog Goalie....BBL Middie from DB, LE Defender from DB, LE Attack from Pingry, both BBL attackman from Westfield and SHP, Tri State Middie from Red Bank, Tri States three attacks from SHP (2) and Princeton are all outstanding scorers but system guys but will go, just not sure how early. I am sure there are others but if you look at Inside Lacrosse's recent article, college coaches feel the 2024's have a smaller amount of star power kids, but have a large group of mid to above average kids who could play in college.

Looks like an RBR dad's post. Overlooking the RFH 4 stars.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

September 1 is days away. Very exciting time for some of our kids. Who in NJ will be off the board early?

Without using names.....LE Goalie, Tri State Goalie from Lawrenceville, Mad Dog Goalie....BBL Middie from DB, LE Defender from DB, LE Attack from Pingry, both BBL attackman from Westfield and SHP, Tri State Middie from Red Bank, Tri States three attacks from SHP (2) and Princeton are all outstanding scorers but system guys but will go, just not sure how early. I am sure there are others but if you look at Inside Lacrosse's recent article, college coaches feel the 2024's have a smaller amount of star power kids, but have a large group of mid to above average kids who could play in college.

Looks like an RBR dad's post. Overlooking the RFH 4 stars.

I am from Union County. I don't know the Red Bank kid personally. I know the two Inside Lacrosse 4 stars from LE. The defender is almost 18 and the DB and Westfield LE defenders are a step ahead. The middie is a really good player but I did not anticipate him to go early as the person who posed the initial question asked and that is how I responded. Sorry to offend you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

September 1 is days away. Very exciting time for some of our kids. Who in NJ will be off the board early?

Without using names.....LE Goalie, Tri State Goalie from Lawrenceville, Mad Dog Goalie....BBL Middie from DB, LE Defender from DB, LE Attack from Pingry, both BBL attackman from Westfield and SHP, Tri State Middie from Red Bank, Tri States three attacks from SHP (2) and Princeton are all outstanding scorers but system guys but will go, just not sure how early. I am sure there are others but if you look at Inside Lacrosse's recent article, college coaches feel the 2024's have a smaller amount of star power kids, but have a large group of mid to above average kids who could play in college.

Looks like an RBR dad's post. Overlooking the RFH 4 stars.

I am from Union County. I don't know the Red Bank kid personally. I know the two Inside Lacrosse 4 stars from LE. The defender is almost 18 and the DB and Westfield LE defenders are a step ahead. The middie is a really good player but I did not anticipate him to go early as the person who posed the initial question asked and that is how I responded. Sorry to offend you.

If you are from Union County, how do you know the defender is almost 18?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

September 1 is days away. Very exciting time for some of our kids. Who in NJ will be off the board early?

Without using names.....LE Goalie, Tri State Goalie from Lawrenceville, Mad Dog Goalie....BBL Middie from DB, LE Defender from DB, LE Attack from Pingry, both BBL attackman from Westfield and SHP, Tri State Middie from Red Bank, Tri States three attacks from SHP (2) and Princeton are all outstanding scorers but system guys but will go, just not sure how early. I am sure there are others but if you look at Inside Lacrosse's recent article, college coaches feel the 2024's have a smaller amount of star power kids, but have a large group of mid to above average kids who could play in college.

Looks like an RBR dad's post. Overlooking the RFH 4 stars.

I am from Union County. I don't know the Red Bank kid personally. I know the two Inside Lacrosse 4 stars from LE. The defender is almost 18 and the DB and Westfield LE defenders are a step ahead. The middie is a really good player but I did not anticipate him to go early as the person who posed the initial question asked and that is how I responded. Sorry to offend you.

If you look at the defender's highlights he turned 17 two weeks ago. You are 100% an angry daddy from the Shore.

If you look at the defender's highlights he turned 17 two weeks ago. You are 100% an angry daddy from the Shore.

No skin in the game, great kid and great player, but RFH 4 star is a reclass, RBR kid is also legit, he will be off the board pretty quickly. Imagine if the Lawrenceville kid stayed home, then your head would really explode about the shore kids.

BBL and LE had commits in the past 24 hours.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL and LE had commits in the past 24 hours.

BBL fogo to Navy. LE Defensemen to Cornell.

LE D pole from Westfield. I guess the dude was right about him saying he was better then the other guy. But i am sure the other guy will go soon also.

I would caution against equating early commitments with being a better player. That perception can put unnecessary pressure on a player to make a hasty decision.

While it makes sense that top schools will offer their top guys early… I think its better to encourage the kids to take their time with the process. Take visits to multiple schools, even multiple visits to the top schools on your list as you narrow it down.

No matter when you commit, everyone will arrive on campus the same day (and at the bottom of the team “pecking order”)

I agree with taking time on commitments. As we saw with McCabe Millon, they really don't mean anything. You can change your mind a year later and still only be a senior. I guess it makes sense to committ and then you have a free option to change your mind for the next year or so. It seems like kids change their minds more than schools do, but I guess some of the top academic schools have strings attached like test score and grades. At the end of the day what is a commitment? A verbal agreement with a minor?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would caution against equating early commitments with being a better player. That perception can put unnecessary pressure on a player to make a hasty decision.

While it makes sense that top schools will offer their top guys early… I think its better to encourage the kids to take their time with the process. Take visits to multiple schools, even multiple visits to the top schools on your list as you narrow it down.

No matter when you commit, everyone will arrive on campus the same day (and at the bottom of the team “pecking order”)

Other than bragging rights, not much value to jumping on an offer unless it was your absolute first choice and you have done your due diligence on the school, the lacrosse program and the coach. It is a very stressful and difficult process for high school junior to manage, the more time they can spend evaluating their options, the better. While some may think that it is better to just get the commitment over with early, the truth is that the stress is still there until you kid signs a NLI (if they are going the D1 route). The college they commit to will be constantly tracking them throughout the year. There were several D1 commits on my son's team, and the college coaches attended many games this past summer. While it is unlikely that a school would pull an offer, the thought is always in the back of your head.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would caution against equating early commitments with being a better player. That perception can put unnecessary pressure on a player to make a hasty decision.

While it makes sense that top schools will offer their top guys early… I think its better to encourage the kids to take their time with the process. Take visits to multiple schools, even multiple visits to the top schools on your list as you narrow it down.

No matter when you commit, everyone will arrive on campus the same day (and at the bottom of the team “pecking order”)

Other than bragging rights, not much value to jumping on an offer unless it was your absolute first choice and you have done your due diligence on the school, the lacrosse program and the coach. It is a very stressful and difficult process for high school junior to manage, the more time they can spend evaluating their options, the better. While some may think that it is better to just get the commitment over with early, the truth is that the stress is still there until you kid signs a NLI (if they are going the D1 route). The college they commit to will be constantly tracking them throughout the year. There were several D1 commits on my son's team, and the college coaches attended many games this past summer. While it is unlikely that a school would pull an offer, the thought is always in the back of your head.

I agree with most of this but a factor you have not mentioned is that kids will get a time table for an answer on an offer. If Harvard gives you an offer, that offer does not last an eternity and if they give that spot away, your offer could be gone.

I think that is why we are seeing most of the 2024 early commits be at places that are very very difficult to pass up. (BBL kid to Navy, LE kids to Cornell and Harvard)

Great point about the time table. I think this is especially difficult for Goalies and FOGOs as they take fewer per class. You can’t wait around forever for an answer. I have seen them get the most pressure for decisions but it does happen for other positions.

While I don’t have any recent experience, I would expect players would get weeks or even a couple months to make a decision (all depending on their unique situation). For me, it would be a red flag if an offer were given with such a short time-line that the recruit wasn’t afforded the opportunity to visit multiple places.

Feel free to correct me on the timing if you’ve been through it recently!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great point about the time table. I think this is especially difficult for Goalies and FOGOs as they take fewer per class. You can’t wait around forever for an answer. I have seen them get the most pressure for decisions but it does happen for other positions.

While I don’t have any recent experience, I would expect players would get weeks or even a couple months to make a decision (all depending on their unique situation). For me, it would be a red flag if an offer were given with such a short time-line that the recruit wasn’t afforded the opportunity to visit multiple places.

Feel free to correct me on the timing if you’ve been through it recently!

I think that the timing has a lot to do with the schools level of interest in the player. A top 50 kid definitely has a lot more flexibility. Also, if you start to track the process on places like Inside Lacrosse, you can see that many of the top schools do not fill out their rosters right away. While there were some September commits, several of the D1 kids on my son's team committed early winter junior year and into the summer.

Anyone have a pov on whether Leading Edge or Prime Time are better programs for middle school players? It seems PT has more top tier hs players but that may be function of their location near Brunswick and other good CT lax schools. I live in NJ and it would be a longer drive to have kid on PT but was wondering if anyone thinks PT is noticeably better in coaching and player development.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have a pov on whether Leading Edge or Prime Time are better programs for middle school players? It seems PT has more top tier hs players but that may be function of their location near Brunswick and other good CT lax schools. I live in NJ and it would be a longer drive to have kid on PT but was wondering if anyone thinks PT is noticeably better in coaching and player development.

Prime Time has an excellent reputation and almost no one who is really good there every leaves. That being said, as with all top teams, make sure your kid is not at or near the bottom of the roster/pecking order, especially if he wants to be an offensive player. But this is mostly true at all the top teams. Also will need to watch how that pecking order changes, if at all, as he gets older. These teams will look to improve each year, and do tend to attract the top talents as the kids get older - much easier to make the team at 5th grade than at 9th grade.

You will also need to factor in bridge crossing - tolls are expensive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have a pov on whether Leading Edge or Prime Time are better programs for middle school players? It seems PT has more top tier hs players but that may be function of their location near Brunswick and other good CT lax schools. I live in NJ and it would be a longer drive to have kid on PT but was wondering if anyone thinks PT is noticeably better in coaching and player development.

I can only speak of PT, as I had two children play for PT. Also, I live in NY and I've known several other families that have PT players and NEARLY everyone is happy at PT.

PT teams definitely improve over the years; they have no problem replacing players with newer and better players on the younger (middle school) levels. The HS teams might take 1 or 2 new players, but the window of opportunity is so small for those levels.

I always thought PT's business model of; One team, per grade, is great. This helps the owner/director (ND) in being able to give each HS player the necessary help in being recruited.

FYI, PT conducts its winter, weekly training at Chelsea Piers (Stamford, CT).

PT is a top program

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have a pov on whether Leading Edge or Prime Time are better programs for middle school players? It seems PT has more top tier hs players but that may be function of their location near Brunswick and other good CT lax schools. I live in NJ and it would be a longer drive to have kid on PT but was wondering if anyone thinks PT is noticeably better in coaching and player development.

Cannot go wrong with either. Both programs are quality programs with great reputations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have a pov on whether Leading Edge or Prime Time are better programs for middle school players? It seems PT has more top tier hs players but that may be function of their location near Brunswick and other good CT lax schools. I live in NJ and it would be a longer drive to have kid on PT but was wondering if anyone thinks PT is noticeably better in coaching and player development.

Cannot go wrong with either. Both programs are quality programs with great reputations.

If you live in NJ, support the local team. Makes High School more fun

LE is really a HS program or 8th grade and up. I would bet there aren't many kids from the 6th grade team who are still on the team by 10th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have a pov on whether Leading Edge or Prime Time are better programs for middle school players? It seems PT has more top tier hs players but that may be function of their location near Brunswick and other good CT lax schools. I live in NJ and it would be a longer drive to have kid on PT but was wondering if anyone thinks PT is noticeably better in coaching and player development.

Cannot go wrong with either. Both programs are quality programs with great reputations.

Agreed. Both are great programs, just depends on what works best for your life as far as travel to/from practice. Nobody can argue that one program is more successful than the other. While LE obviously has their supporters and detractors on this forum, I suspect that you can probably find plenty of similar banter about PT on BOTC. Personally, if it were geographically feasible, I would have put my kid on PT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have a pov on whether Leading Edge or Prime Time are better programs for middle school players? It seems PT has more top tier hs players but that may be function of their location near Brunswick and other good CT lax schools. I live in NJ and it would be a longer drive to have kid on PT but was wondering if anyone thinks PT is noticeably better in coaching and player development.

Cannot go wrong with either. Both programs are quality programs with great reputations.

If you live in NJ, support the local team. Makes High School more fun

That simply makes no sense whatsoever.

Neither LE nor PrimeTime have nationally competitive middle school teams.

If you are looking to get in early for a good HS program these are two good options, but don't expect loyalty in HS because you joined them in 7th grade. They are competitive HS programs and will be constantly looking to improve their rosters, so the bottom third of the roster is always in jeopardy . . . regardless of when you joined the program.

If you're looking for elite middle school teams where you can play with and against the best in the country, there are better options for 6th, 7th, and 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have a pov on whether Leading Edge or Prime Time are better programs for middle school players? It seems PT has more top tier hs players but that may be function of their location near Brunswick and other good CT lax schools. I live in NJ and it would be a longer drive to have kid on PT but was wondering if anyone thinks PT is noticeably better in coaching and player development.

Cannot go wrong with either. Both programs are quality programs with great reputations.

Not at the middle school level. Leading edge is a waste of time until high school. Prime time is a little bit better at the middle school level.

SHP Attack (2024) committed to Air Force

I do have to say. I am not a LE guy by any means, but for the amount of detest their 2024 team has gotten in the past couple years, they are doing pretty well right now when it comes to recruiting. They somehow find a way, every year. Cornell Harvard and Villanova already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do have to say. I am not a LE guy by any means, but for the amount of detest their 2024 team has gotten in the past couple years, they are doing pretty well right now when it comes to recruiting. They somehow find a way, every year. Cornell Harvard and Villanova already.

You’re giving credit to the club but those kids are going to those schools no matter what club they play for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have a pov on whether Leading Edge or Prime Time are better programs for middle school players? It seems PT has more top tier hs players but that may be function of their location near Brunswick and other good CT lax schools. I live in NJ and it would be a longer drive to have kid on PT but was wondering if anyone thinks PT is noticeably better in coaching and player development.

Cannot go wrong with either. Both programs are quality programs with great reputations.

If you live in NJ, support the local team. Makes High School more fun

That simply makes no sense whatsoever.

Buy local!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have a pov on whether Leading Edge or Prime Time are better programs for middle school players? It seems PT has more top tier hs players but that may be function of their location near Brunswick and other good CT lax schools. I live in NJ and it would be a longer drive to have kid on PT but was wondering if anyone thinks PT is noticeably better in coaching and player development.

Cannot go wrong with either. Both programs are quality programs with great reputations.

If you live in NJ, support the local team. Makes High School more fun

That simply makes no sense whatsoever.

Buy local!

Got it, support some for-profit lacrosse club that gives nothing back to the community. Amazing how people think that a good local lacrosse club somehow translates into respect for NJ lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have a pov on whether Leading Edge or Prime Time are better programs for middle school players? It seems PT has more top tier hs players but that may be function of their location near Brunswick and other good CT lax schools. I live in NJ and it would be a longer drive to have kid on PT but was wondering if anyone thinks PT is noticeably better in coaching and player development.

Cannot go wrong with either. Both programs are quality programs with great reputations.

If you live in NJ, support the local team. Makes High School more fun

That simply makes no sense whatsoever.

Buy local!

Got it, support some for-profit lacrosse club that gives nothing back to the community. Amazing how people think that a good local lacrosse club somehow translates into respect for NJ lacrosse.

Then take your kid to PT and stop asking people their options.

Then take your kid to PT and stop asking people their options.

I am not the original poster. There were some very well thought out replies, and I am sure that the poster appreciates that, but simply offering "stay local" as an option is absurd. Just accept the fact that your advice is meaningless and move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do have to say. I am not a LE guy by any means, but for the amount of detest their 2024 team has gotten in the past couple years, they are doing pretty well right now when it comes to recruiting. They somehow find a way, every year. Cornell Harvard and Villanova already.

You’re giving credit to the club but those kids are going to those schools no matter what club they play for.

That is very much debatable. Regardless, one of the commits was actually a JV player for his High School. Coaching staff completely missed on that one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

September 1 is days away. Very exciting time for some of our kids. Who in NJ will be off the board early?

Without using names.....LE Goalie, Tri State Goalie from Lawrenceville, Mad Dog Goalie....BBL Middie from DB, LE Defender from DB, LE Attack from Pingry, both BBL attackman from Westfield and SHP, Tri State Middie from Red Bank, Tri States three attacks from SHP (2) and Princeton are all outstanding scorers but system guys but will go, just not sure how early. I am sure there are others but if you look at Inside Lacrosse's recent article, college coaches feel the 2024's have a smaller amount of star power kids, but have a large group of mid to above average kids who could play in college.

Looks like an RBR dad's post. Overlooking the RFH 4 stars.

I am from Union County. I don't know the Red Bank kid personally. I know the two Inside Lacrosse 4 stars from LE. The defender is almost 18 and the DB and Westfield LE defenders are a step ahead. The middie is a really good player but I did not anticipate him to go early as the person who posed the initial question asked and that is how I responded. Sorry to offend you.

That defender just committed to UVA

LE kid to Virginia....could be a good year for NJ kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do have to say. I am not a LE guy by any means, but for the amount of detest their 2024 team has gotten in the past couple years, they are doing pretty well right now when it comes to recruiting. They somehow find a way, every year. Cornell Harvard and Villanova already.

You’re giving credit to the club but those kids are going to those schools no matter what club they play for.

That is very much debatable. Regardless, one of the commits was actually a JV player for his High School. Coaching staff completely missed on that one.

It really is not debatable. If your son is a top level player that plays for a club that attends high visibility tournaments the club makes no difference (0.0). Also going to a prospect day for a school that has known interest in you is very helpful. The D1 coaches are reaching out not only to the Club recruiting coordinators, they are also reaching out directly to the player's high school coaches, especially the top high school programs. If you are that good you will be recruited by college coaches regardless of club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do have to say. I am not a LE guy by any means, but for the amount of detest their 2024 team has gotten in the past couple years, they are doing pretty well right now when it comes to recruiting. They somehow find a way, every year. Cornell Harvard and Villanova already.

You’re giving credit to the club but those kids are going to those schools no matter what club they play for.

That is very much debatable. Regardless, one of the commits was actually a JV player for his High School. Coaching staff completely missed on that one.

It really is not debatable. If your son is a top level player that plays for a club that attends high visibility tournaments the club makes no difference (0.0). Also going to a prospect day for a school that has known interest in you is very helpful. The D1 coaches are reaching out not only to the Club recruiting coordinators, they are also reaching out directly to the player's high school coaches, especially the top high school programs. If you are that good you will be recruited by college coaches regardless of club.

You are either a parent that has not gone through the process or a coach from a lower-level team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do have to say. I am not a LE guy by any means, but for the amount of detest their 2024 team has gotten in the past couple years, they are doing pretty well right now when it comes to recruiting. They somehow find a way, every year. Cornell Harvard and Villanova already.

You’re giving credit to the club but those kids are going to those schools no matter what club they play for.

That is very much debatable. Regardless, one of the commits was actually a JV player for his High School. Coaching staff completely missed on that one.

It really is not debatable. If your son is a top level player that plays for a club that attends high visibility tournaments the club makes no difference (0.0). Also going to a prospect day for a school that has known interest in you is very helpful. The D1 coaches are reaching out not only to the Club recruiting coordinators, they are also reaching out directly to the player's high school coaches, especially the top high school programs. If you are that good you will be recruited by college coaches regardless of club.

You are either a parent that has not gone through the process or a coach from a lower-level team.

I have to agree. The club team our kids play on is way more important than you are making it sound. Having a legitimate track record with recruiting success is nothing to discount.

To your point on High-School. Cornell could have called that one players High-School coach and he would have to talk about how well he played on JV this year?

This is not to say that you have to play for certain clubs to get recruited, period. But it definitely helps if you are in a club with proven history.

This is correct. Best if you play on top ranked hs and club team. Worked for my oldest. LE has best track record. Worked for my older one. And they were better than his hs team. Unfortunately we are not in LI, Upstate, Maryland for high school so club matters. Also had the track record of success with LE. Rolling the dice if no track record at lower hs or club. But its a free country. Do what you want.

Club team/recruiting director matters a great deal. Proven track records and relationships mean the college coach can trust the club coach to give honest feedback and not act like a used-car salesmen.

Scouts can certainly pick out talented players, but they watch thousands of kids for a very short period of time and then try to assess how good they will be in 2+ years. When deciding between two equally talented players, the opinion of a trusted vs untrusted club coach can mean a great deal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do have to say. I am not a LE guy by any means, but for the amount of detest their 2024 team has gotten in the past couple years, they are doing pretty well right now when it comes to recruiting. They somehow find a way, every year. Cornell Harvard and Villanova already.

You’re giving credit to the club but those kids are going to those schools no matter what club they play for.

That is very much debatable. Regardless, one of the commits was actually a JV player for his High School. Coaching staff completely missed on that one.

It really is not debatable. If your son is a top level player that plays for a club that attends high visibility tournaments the club makes no difference (0.0). Also going to a prospect day for a school that has known interest in you is very helpful. The D1 coaches are reaching out not only to the Club recruiting coordinators, they are also reaching out directly to the player's high school coaches, especially the top high school programs. If you are that good you will be recruited by college coaches regardless of club.

You are either a parent that has not gone through the process or a coach from a lower-level team.

Not the prior poster, but just went through the process. I tend to agree with the points about playing for a club in high visibility tournaments (unless your club has absolutely no business playing in a tournament at that level) and prospect days, but neither are hard and fast rules. As far as the high school coach, there are probably a handful of high school coaches in NJ that a college coach would really rely upon, but in most instances, with a few exceptions, those coaches are also tied to pretty good club programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do have to say. I am not a LE guy by any means, but for the amount of detest their 2024 team has gotten in the past couple years, they are doing pretty well right now when it comes to recruiting. They somehow find a way, every year. Cornell Harvard and Villanova already.

You’re giving credit to the club but those kids are going to those schools no matter what club they play for.

That is very much debatable. Regardless, one of the commits was actually a JV player for his High School. Coaching staff completely missed on that one.

It really is not debatable. If your son is a top level player that plays for a club that attends high visibility tournaments the club makes no difference (0.0). Also going to a prospect day for a school that has known interest in you is very helpful. The D1 coaches are reaching out not only to the Club recruiting coordinators, they are also reaching out directly to the player's high school coaches, especially the top high school programs. If you are that good you will be recruited by college coaches regardless of club.

You are either a parent that has not gone through the process or a coach from a lower-level team.

Not the prior poster, but just went through the process. I tend to agree with the points about playing for a club in high visibility tournaments (unless your club has absolutely no business playing in a tournament at that level) and prospect days, but neither are hard and fast rules. As far as the high school coach, there are probably a handful of high school coaches in NJ that a college coach would really rely upon, but in most instances, with a few exceptions, those coaches are also tied to pretty good club programs.

100% correct about the high school coaches.

Blue Star 2024 goalie to Princeton, keep going NJ!! This 2024 class will end up being strong college wise by the end of next summer!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Star 2024 goalie to Princeton, keep going NJ!! This 2024 class will end up being strong college wise by the end of next summer!!

Pays to be an heir to the J&J fortune.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Star 2024 goalie to Princeton, keep going NJ!! This 2024 class will end up being strong college wise by the end of next summer!!

Pays to be an heir to the J&J fortune.

great job knocking a 16 year old kid.....and I'm sure that Princeton was so concerned about their $26 billion endowment, that they simply had to have this kid...be better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Star 2024 goalie to Princeton, keep going NJ!! This 2024 class will end up being strong college wise by the end of next summer!!

Pays to be an heir to the J&J fortune.

great job knocking a 16 year old kid.....and I'm sure that Princeton was so concerned about their $26 billion endowment, that they simply had to have this kid...be better

Agree.. what a jealous clown.. great kid and he can play.

Any input from the 2025 level? I know LE is pretty strong, BBL has the student player, Tri State a little less talented then normal but will get better, Blue Star kinda in the middle, Riot the same and not sure about Patriot??? Thoughts as we head into the fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do have to say. I am not a LE guy by any means, but for the amount of detest their 2024 team has gotten in the past couple years, they are doing pretty well right now when it comes to recruiting. They somehow find a way, every year. Cornell Harvard and Villanova already.

You’re giving credit to the club but those kids are going to those schools no matter what club they play for.

That is very much debatable. Regardless, one of the commits was actually a JV player for his High School. Coaching staff completely missed on that one.

I think multi sport high school athletes are geeting more of the early nods this year. The Westfield kid plays hockey as well. The other LE defender was multi sport as well. Yes they recruit lacrosse only players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any input from the 2025 level? I know LE is pretty strong, BBL has the student player, Tri State a little less talented then normal but will get better, Blue Star kinda in the middle, Riot the same and not sure about Patriot??? Thoughts as we head into the fall?

The LE 2025 team is apparently loaded this year. BBL best goalie, middle, attackmen and fogo all jumped ship this year. The LSM left the year before. From my understanding that team was already solid before the new additions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any input from the 2025 level? I know LE is pretty strong, BBL has the student player, Tri State a little less talented then normal but will get better, Blue Star kinda in the middle, Riot the same and not sure about Patriot??? Thoughts as we head into the fall?

The LE 2025 team is apparently loaded this year. BBL best goalie, middle, attackmen and fogo all jumped ship this year. The LSM left the year before. From my understanding that team was already solid before the new additions.

Lol. So the LE team is BBL minus Drago. LE develops lacrosse players. What a joke LE is. North Jersey needs another NLF team. Yes NLF is weaker but this is ridiculous.?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any input from the 2025 level? I know LE is pretty strong, BBL has the student player, Tri State a little less talented then normal but will get better, Blue Star kinda in the middle, Riot the same and not sure about Patriot??? Thoughts as we head into the fall?

The LE 2025 team is apparently loaded this year. BBL best goalie, middle, attackmen and fogo all jumped ship this year. The LSM left the year before. From my understanding that team was already solid before the new additions.

Lol. So the LE team is BBL minus Drago. LE develops lacrosse players. What a joke LE is. North Jersey needs another NLF team. Yes NLF is weaker but this is ridiculous.?

So the post speaking about LE and all their players is from the LE director. He is correct. They were well above average and then when he poached the BBL kids in their recruiting year they became really good, like possibly top 10 good. This is the one year where they are clearly above all the other clubs. Its a shame BBL kids defect their recruiting year. LE will advertise how they committed after playing only one year with them just like the goalie to Harvard this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any input from the 2025 level? I know LE is pretty strong, BBL has the student player, Tri State a little less talented then normal but will get better, Blue Star kinda in the middle, Riot the same and not sure about Patriot??? Thoughts as we head into the fall?

The LE 2025 team is apparently loaded this year. BBL best goalie, middle, attackmen and fogo all jumped ship this year. The LSM left the year before. From my understanding that team was already solid before the new additions.

Lol. So the LE team is BBL minus Drago. LE develops lacrosse players. What a joke LE is. North Jersey needs another NLF team. Yes NLF is weaker but this is ridiculous.?

So the post speaking about LE and all their players is from the LE director. He is correct. They were well above average and then when he poached the BBL kids in their recruiting year they became really good, like possibly top 10 good. This is the one year where they are clearly above all the other clubs. Its a shame BBL kids defect their recruiting year. LE will advertise how they committed after playing only one year with them just like the goalie to Harvard this year.

People keep using words like "poached" and "defected". Parents spend a lot of money to get their kids into the best schools, why risk it? If your kid can make the team why wouldn't you move?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any input from the 2025 level? I know LE is pretty strong, BBL has the student player, Tri State a little less talented then normal but will get better, Blue Star kinda in the middle, Riot the same and not sure about Patriot??? Thoughts as we head into the fall?

The LE 2025 team is apparently loaded this year. BBL best goalie, middle, attackmen and fogo all jumped ship this year. The LSM left the year before. From my understanding that team was already solid before the new additions.

Lol. So the LE team is BBL minus Drago. LE develops lacrosse players. What a joke LE is. North Jersey needs another NLF team. Yes NLF is weaker but this is ridiculous.?

It's not all BBL. BBL, TriState & Mad Dog did a nice job developing and LE will get them recruited. it's called the Jersey two-step

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any input from the 2025 level? I know LE is pretty strong, BBL has the student player, Tri State a little less talented then normal but will get better, Blue Star kinda in the middle, Riot the same and not sure about Patriot??? Thoughts as we head into the fall?

The LE 2025 team is apparently loaded this year. BBL best goalie, middle, attackmen and fogo all jumped ship this year. The LSM left the year before. From my understanding that team was already solid before the new additions.

Lol. So the LE team is BBL minus Drago. LE develops lacrosse players. What a joke LE is. North Jersey needs another NLF team. Yes NLF is weaker but this is ridiculous.?

So the post speaking about LE and all their players is from the LE director. He is correct. They were well above average and then when he poached the BBL kids in their recruiting year they became really good, like possibly top 10 good. This is the one year where they are clearly above all the other clubs. Its a shame BBL kids defect their recruiting year. LE will advertise how they committed after playing only one year with them just like the goalie to Harvard this year.

People keep using words like "poached" and "defected". Parents spend a lot of money to get their kids into the best schools, why risk it? If your kid can make the team why wouldn't you move?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any input from the 2025 level? I know LE is pretty strong, BBL has the student player, Tri State a little less talented then normal but will get better, Blue Star kinda in the middle, Riot the same and not sure about Patriot??? Thoughts as we head into the fall?

The LE 2025 team is apparently loaded this year. BBL best goalie, middle, attackmen and fogo all jumped ship this year. The LSM left the year before. From my understanding that team was already solid before the new additions.

Lol. So the LE team is BBL minus Drago. LE develops lacrosse players. What a joke LE is. North Jersey needs another NLF team. Yes NLF is weaker but this is ridiculous.?

It's not all BBL. BBL, TriState & Mad Dog did a nice job developing and LE will get them recruited. it's called the Jersey two-step

LOL. Jersey Express please start a team in North Jersey so we have two NLFs. LE steals your players too and then LE will have to do training not just amass an all star team. BBL players will still miss the human double team in Drago. Who are you doubling on LE? LE 25 probably be like Tri State 24 and play well as a team within an offensive system.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Any input from the 2025 level? I know LE is pretty strong, BBL has the student player, Tri State a little less talented then normal but will get better, Blue Star kinda in the middle, Riot the same and not sure about Patriot??? Thoughts as we head into the fall?

The LE 2025 team is apparently loaded this year. BBL best goalie, middle, attackmen and fogo all jumped ship this year. The LSM left the year before. From my understanding that team was already solid before the new additions.

Lol. So the LE team is BBL minus Drago. LE develops lacrosse players. What a joke LE is. North Jersey needs another NLF team. Yes NLF is weaker but this is ridiculous.?

So the post speaking about LE and all their players is from the LE director. He is correct. They were well above average and then when he poached the BBL kids in their recruiting year they became really good, like possibly top 10 good. This is the one year where they are clearly above all the other clubs. Its a shame BBL kids defect their recruiting year. LE will advertise how they committed after playing only one year with them just like the goalie to Harvard this year.

People keep using words like "poached" and "defected". Parents spend a lot of money to get their kids into the best schools, why risk it? If your kid can make the team why wouldn't you move? [quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][

You keep trying to defend the fact players are coming to LE for one year...one year!!! The ones who fall for your spin have the right to do so, its their choice...but I think what everyone sees is that you do not develop anyone and people only go to you in hopes of getting recruited....however, you can get recruited at ANY club....you do not get any credit for the goalie kid....he was going anywhere he wanted and people were aware of that at least two years ago....that being said....that 25 LE team is going to be the best one in a while if you can fix your play calling....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Any input from the 2025 level? I know LE is pretty strong, BBL has the student player, Tri State a little less talented then normal but will get better, Blue Star kinda in the middle, Riot the same and not sure about Patriot??? Thoughts as we head into the fall?

The LE 2025 team is apparently loaded this year. BBL best goalie, middle, attackmen and fogo all jumped ship this year. The LSM left the year before. From my understanding that team was already solid before the new additions.

Lol. So the LE team is BBL minus Drago. LE develops lacrosse players. What a joke LE is. North Jersey needs another NLF team. Yes NLF is weaker but this is ridiculous.?

So the post speaking about LE and all their players is from the LE director. He is correct. They were well above average and then when he poached the BBL kids in their recruiting year they became really good, like possibly top 10 good. This is the one year where they are clearly above all the other clubs. Its a shame BBL kids defect their recruiting year. LE will advertise how they committed after playing only one year with them just like the goalie to Harvard this year.

People keep using words like "poached" and "defected". Parents spend a lot of money to get their kids into the best schools, why risk it? If your kid can make the team why wouldn't you move?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][

You keep trying to defend the fact players are coming to LE for one year...one year!!! The ones who fall for your spin have the right to do so, its their choice...but I think what everyone sees is that you do not develop anyone and people only go to you in hopes of getting recruited....however, you can get recruited at ANY club....you do not get any credit for the goalie kid....he was going anywhere he wanted and people were aware of that at least two years ago....that being said....that 25 LE team is going to be the best one in a while if you can fix your play calling....

players and parents use the organization just like organizations use the players and parents. It's a year to year commitment on both sides of the divide. Keep it moving...

Better said if you live in NJ you are doing a disservice to your kid not playing at LE.

I have no connection to any of these clubs, but it makes sense that while your kid is young (grade school, middle school) you play at a club close to where you live and/or where your son's friends play and/or where he can get ample playing time to improve, and more importantly, have fun, and where he is comfortable. But if your kid looks to be one of the 20 or so best in the state at his grad year, come high school, take him to a state-wide all-star team to maximize his exposure to college recruiters, and more importantly, to coaches/directors who pump out D1 kids every year and from whom college coaches will trust their opinions on your kid. LE exists as that club. In a state like NJ, geographically, it is a model that works.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no connection to any of these clubs, but it makes sense that while your kid is young (grade school, middle school) you play at a club close to where you live and/or where your son's friends play and/or where he can get ample playing time to improve, and more importantly, have fun, and where he is comfortable. But if your kid looks to be one of the 20 or so best in the state at his grad year, come high school, take him to a state-wide all-star team to maximize his exposure to college recruiters, and more importantly, to coaches/directors who pump out D1 kids every year and from whom college coaches will trust their opinions on your kid. LE exists as that club. In a state like NJ, geographically, it is a model that works.

I would say if you can and you are top 20 kid go look at Team 91 Maryland or Long Island Team 91, Prime Time, Eclipse, and 2 Way. They are all better than LE overall and many of them have box training and winter training. 2 Way has the Brunswick high school coaching staff and that is why I added a non-NLF team.

Good Luck on your lacrosse journey

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Any input from the 2025 level? I know LE is pretty strong, BBL has the student player, Tri State a little less talented then normal but will get better, Blue Star kinda in the middle, Riot the same and not sure about Patriot??? Thoughts as we head into the fall?

The LE 2025 team is apparently loaded this year. BBL best goalie, middle, attackmen and fogo all jumped ship this year. The LSM left the year before. From my understanding that team was already solid before the new additions.

Lol. So the LE team is BBL minus Drago. LE develops lacrosse players. What a joke LE is. North Jersey needs another NLF team. Yes NLF is weaker but this is ridiculous.?

So the post speaking about LE and all their players is from the LE director. He is correct. They were well above average and then when he poached the BBL kids in their recruiting year they became really good, like possibly top 10 good. This is the one year where they are clearly above all the other clubs. Its a shame BBL kids defect their recruiting year. LE will advertise how they committed after playing only one year with them just like the goalie to Harvard this year.

People keep using words like "poached" and "defected". Parents spend a lot of money to get their kids into the best schools, why risk it? If your kid can make the team why wouldn't you move?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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You keep trying to defend the fact players are coming to LE for one year...one year!!! The ones who fall for your spin have the right to do so, its their choice...but I think what everyone sees is that you do not develop anyone and people only go to you in hopes of getting recruited....however, you can get recruited at ANY club....you do not get any credit for the goalie kid....he was going anywhere he wanted and people were aware of that at least two years ago....that being said....that 25 LE team is going to be the best one in a while if you can fix your play calling....

players and parents use the organization just like organizations use the players and parents. It's a year to year commitment on both sides of the divide. Keep it moving...

Director ^

okay so lots of color on the '25s..... I'm sure there was a fair amount of movement at the younger grades anyone have any thought s on 26's and 27's ???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

okay so lots of color on the '25s..... I'm sure there was a fair amount of movement at the younger grades anyone have any thought s on 26's and 27's ???

Unfortunately, ever conversation just devolves into love/detest comments about LE.... that you need to play for LE to get recruited ..there is no life outside of the NLF.. (insert club name here) has the best 24s, 25, 26s, 27s, etc., LE doesn't develop players, they just poach everybody else's best players, BBL can't keep the high school kids....hopefully I just saved everybody some time and effort

Originally Posted by Anonymous

okay so lots of color on the '25s..... I'm sure there was a fair amount of movement at the younger grades anyone have any thought s on 26's and 27's ???

Unfortunately, ever conversation just devolves into love/detest comments about LE.... that you need to play for LE to get recruited ..there is no life outside of the NLF.. (insert club name here) has the best 24s, 25, 26s, 27s, etc., LE doesn't develop players, they just poach everybody else's best players, BBL can't keep the high school kids....hopefully I just saved everybody some time and effort

Very true. On point post. I just have to add. "Kids a reclass" or "can't win without reclasses"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Very true. On point post. I just have to add. "Kids a reclass" or "can't win without reclasses"

Very good point. Other than the WSYL, the winning teams are the teams with the oldest kids.
Good coaching and hard work are no longer the winning formula.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Very true. On point post. I just have to add. "Kids a reclass" or "can't win without reclasses"

Very good point. Other than the WSYL, the winning teams are the teams with the oldest kids.
Good coaching and hard work are no longer the winning formula.

without this, we would have to talk to our wives. We all would much rather rip on each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Any input from the 2025 level? I know LE is pretty strong, BBL has the student player, Tri State a little less talented then normal but will get better, Blue Star kinda in the middle, Riot the same and not sure about Patriot??? Thoughts as we head into the fall?

The LE 2025 team is apparently loaded this year. BBL best goalie, middle, attackmen and fogo all jumped ship this year. The LSM left the year before. From my understanding that team was already solid before the new additions.

Lol. So the LE team is BBL minus Drago. LE develops lacrosse players. What a joke LE is. North Jersey needs another NLF team. Yes NLF is weaker but this is ridiculous.?

So the post speaking about LE and all their players is from the LE director. He is correct. They were well above average and then when he poached the BBL kids in their recruiting year they became really good, like possibly top 10 good. This is the one year where they are clearly above all the other clubs. Its a shame BBL kids defect their recruiting year. LE will advertise how they committed after playing only one year with them just like the goalie to Harvard this year.

People keep using words like "poached" and "defected". Parents spend a lot of money to get their kids into the best schools, why risk it? If your kid can make the team why wouldn't you move?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[

You keep trying to defend the fact players are coming to LE for one year...one year!!! The ones who fall for your spin have the right to do so, its their choice...but I think what everyone sees is that you do not develop anyone and people only go to you in hopes of getting recruited....however, you can get recruited at ANY club....you do not get any credit for the goalie kid....he was going anywhere he wanted and people were aware of that at least two years ago....that being said....that 25 LE team is going to be the best one in a while if you can fix your play calling....

players and parents use the organization just like organizations use the players and parents. It's a year to year commitment on both sides of the divide. Keep it moving...

Agreed. Yes NJ has a monopoly on the NLF in LE but lacrosse season is not that long. Even if you are on LE look to get to a better program. If your kid is that good, LE is not your last stop. Prime Time, Eclipse, Express lately, 2 WAY and Team 91 have great programs at every age and because they have competition from other clubs in high school they do winter and box training. Don't let NJ one stop shopping with LE limit your childs true potential. LE will be like these clubs once we get another NLF in central NJ. LE does not have to work as hard as these other clubs because they have no competion.

You don't have to play in the NLF as we see BBL, Riot, Blue Star, Tri State get recruits. Parents are sold by the NLF mistique. And until NJ has another NLF club shop outside of NJ.

Team 91 has players from Texas and Florida in the summer. Ct and Ny are not that far.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no connection to any of these clubs, but it makes sense that while your kid is young (grade school, middle school) you play at a club close to where you live and/or where your son's friends play and/or where he can get ample playing time to improve, and more importantly, have fun, and where he is comfortable. But if your kid looks to be one of the 20 or so best in the state at his grad year, come high school, take him to a state-wide all-star team to maximize his exposure to college recruiters, and more importantly, to coaches/directors who pump out D1 kids every year and from whom college coaches will trust their opinions on your kid. LE exists as that club. In a state like NJ, geographically, it is a model that works.

I would say if you can and you are top 20 kid go look at Team 91 Maryland or Long Island Team 91, Prime Time, Eclipse, and 2 Way. They are all better than LE overall and many of them have box training and winter training. 2 Way has the Brunswick high school coaching staff and that is why I added a non-NLF team.

Good Luck on your lacrosse journey

As many have said before, if your kid is a top 20, or even top 50, it really does not matter where they are playing. Tri-State, Blue Star and BBL 2024 kids had no problem committing early to top schools. If those other programs are convenient geographically, or offer something unique that you are interested in (i.e. box) makes sense to consider them as well, but they will offer no recruiting advantage for a top kid. That being said, I know that it is not an option for many, but a top prep school program is better exposure than any of these clubs.

For all the talk of having no development, LE players have found a lot of success in college. Tri-state and blue star have also had a number of all americans over the past couple years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For all the talk of having no development, LE players have found a lot of success in college. Tri-state and blue star have also had a number of all americans over the past couple years.

It’s the easy way to bash a program that your son doesn’t play for because there is no real way to prove it one way or another. Our experience at LE was great and the coaching was top notch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For all the talk of having no development, LE players have found a lot of success in college. Tri-state and blue star have also had a number of all americans over the past couple years.

It’s the easy way to bash a program that your son doesn’t play for because there is no real way to prove it one way or another. Our experience at LE was great and the coaching was top notch.

Very true, and its certainly a nice change when somebody can just discuss their experience with a club without bashing another club. Bottom line, you want a place where your kid continues to develop, if you are getting that from your club, then you are in the right place. We moved our son twice during his youth club years, but only because we felt that in the first instance he had maxed out competition wise with the tournaments they were playing, and the second move was because we felt that the directors and coaches where not focusing on the team, and it was right before high school so it was the perfect time to move. Final stop was the place where they pushed our son developmentally and exposed him to the most challenging schedule, and despite a very stressful recruiting process, we feel that he was in a good place to be recruited ending up at a high-academic D3.

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

Not playing other NJ teams is not mutually exclusive to LE...but the truth is, its pretty frustrating to drive to a tournament in Delaware and Maryland, spend the money on gas, food and hotels, and then end up playing NJ and PA teams who are within 30 minutes to an hour drive from home.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

Not playing other NJ teams is not mutually exclusive to LE...but the truth is, its pretty frustrating to drive to a tournament in Delaware and Maryland, spend the money on gas, food and hotels, and then end up playing NJ and PA teams who are within 30 minutes to an hour drive from home.

So I kinda agree to this and more so for pool play. Would love to see them play in the playoffs and stuff during the tourneys. Would also like to see LE, Tri State, BBL, Riot, Blue Star and Patriot do some type of round robin play day where they all played each other with no championship game, just 5 head to head games or find another team and go 3 on Saturday and 3 on Sunday. Blue Star has basically played all of these teams the past two seasons and Tri State played BBL and BBL played LE like two summers ago. Just go for it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Star 2024 goalie to Princeton, keep going NJ!! This 2024 class will end up being strong college wise by the end of next summer!!

Pays to be an heir to the J&J fortune.

great job knocking a 16 year old kid.....and I'm sure that Princeton was so concerned about their $26 billion endowment, that they simply had to have this kid...be better

Funny if you think Ivy athletics get money from the endowment.

BBL 2024 class continues to impress. Another commitment today. The LSM chose Yale.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

They’ve lost to Tristate the last few times at the 2023 level. They typically only play NJ teams in the playoffs brackets but they always try to get out of it. They seem afraid which is weird because they claim they play the best competition.

If this recruiting cycle is not proof enough, the current state of the NJ club lacrosse scene is nothing short of all out war. The competition for talent has seemingly increased year after year, with the clubs now using any sort of advantage to gain an upper hand in the battle. Geography no longer matters like it once did; NJ teams have players from LI, CT, NY and even apparently Boulder, while NJ players are also playing for out of state clubs, 91 LI, 91 MD, and Primetime just to name a few. One factor that I think is not discussed enough however is the role of social media and social capital in this equation.

First just look at the equipment, when my son was playing in the mid 2000's , you would get a reversible pinnie and a pair of shorts. Now I'm seeing every club with fully customized jerseys, helmets, and more. Let's just say I truly feel for you Dads today. BBL and LE in my opinion have best capitalized off of the associated notoriety and exposure of the WSYL and NLF respectively. BBL's model is clearly more youth focused and allows them to assemble an all-star team for WSYL, of course a televised game on ESPN is no small consolation for the finalists. LE on the other hand waits for the dust to settle a bit more, but has clearly been successful in attracting top players once high school rolls around. There has been a lot of talk about "poaching" between the two clubs, but this unfortunately comes with the territory when you want the very best. It is an impossible task to keep everyone happy on a roster and players will move around in search of more playing time or better competition on the college level as well. What concerns me is more is the "highlightification" of the sport that can be seen front and center on instagram.

A lot of recruiting has moved online and now the clubs have resorted to shamelessly one-up each other in the form of custom commitment post edits, highlight clips, and posts highlighting their college alumni. It has gotten to the point that this cycle I have seen commitment posts from different clubs about the same kid, Riot players who moved to BBL and recently committed to Maryland and Bucknell. How do the BBL parents feel about that sort of poaching? The elite camps, tournaments, and high schools have all bought into the social media craze as well, all helping fuel the highlight machine. And I'm know coaches at all levels are watching, I am the only one who finds it bizarre that high school coaches are commenting on the posts of 8th graders? I say tread lightly, the goal should be to win and not to get the best 10 second clip for instagram. At the end of the day, the scoreboard for every club are the college placements, so here's what we've seen so far has been:

BBL: Yale, Bucknell, UVA, UMD, Princeton, Lafayette, AF, Navy
LE: Nova(2), BU, Dartmouth, UVA, Harvard, Cornell

Based on these results, I can see why top players are moving to these clubs, but at the same time there have also been commitments from a number of other clubs. The club team you choose is important but just one of many factors. Connections are another factor that should not be overlooked, for example it certainly does not hurt to have Tom Schreiber advocating on your behalf to the Princeton staff. It's the same for high schools, a former Delbarton/Villanova player is now on staff at Nova so it's no coincidence that they recruit Delbarton players year after year. Not to mention the number of players who will have an uncle, dad, older brother, etc who played somewhere. The point is the recruiting process overall is not an even playing ground, so it pays to leverage every possible advantage.

Originally Posted by njlaxreport

If this recruiting cycle is not proof enough, the current state of the NJ club lacrosse scene is nothing short of all out war. The competition for talent has seemingly increased year after year, with the clubs now using any sort of advantage to gain an upper hand in the battle. Geography no longer matters like it once did; NJ teams have players from LI, CT, NY and even apparently Boulder, while NJ players are also playing for out of state clubs, 91 LI, 91 MD, and Primetime just to name a few. One factor that I think is not discussed enough however is the role of social media and social capital in this equation.

First just look at the equipment, when my son was playing in the mid 2000's , you would get a reversible pinnie and a pair of shorts. Now I'm seeing every club with fully customized jerseys, helmets, and more. Let's just say I truly feel for you Dads today. BBL and LE in my opinion have best capitalized off of the associated notoriety and exposure of the WSYL and NLF respectively. BBL's model is clearly more youth focused and allows them to assemble an all-star team for WSYL, of course a televised game on ESPN is no small consolation for the finalists. LE on the other hand waits for the dust to settle a bit more, but has clearly been successful in attracting top players once high school rolls around. There has been a lot of talk about "poaching" between the two clubs, but this unfortunately comes with the territory when you want the very best. It is an impossible task to keep everyone happy on a roster and players will move around in search of more playing time or better competition on the college level as well. What concerns me is more is the "highlightification" of the sport that can be seen front and center on instagram.

A lot of recruiting has moved online and now the clubs have resorted to shamelessly one-up each other in the form of custom commitment post edits, highlight clips, and posts highlighting their college alumni. It has gotten to the point that this cycle I have seen commitment posts from different clubs about the same kid, Riot players who moved to BBL and recently committed to Maryland and Bucknell. How do the BBL parents feel about that sort of poaching? The elite camps, tournaments, and high schools have all bought into the social media craze as well, all helping fuel the highlight machine. And I'm know coaches at all levels are watching, I am the only one who finds it bizarre that high school coaches are commenting on the posts of 8th graders? I say tread lightly, the goal should be to win and not to get the best 10 second clip for instagram. At the end of the day, the scoreboard for every club are the college placements, so here's what we've seen so far has been:

BBL: Yale, Bucknell, UVA, UMD, Princeton, Lafayette, AF, Navy
LE: Nova(2), BU, Dartmouth, UVA, Harvard, Cornell

Based on these results, I can see why top players are moving to these clubs, but at the same time there have also been commitments from a number of other clubs. The club team you choose is important but just one of many factors. Connections are another factor that should not be overlooked, for example it certainly does not hurt to have Tom Schreiber advocating on your behalf to the Princeton staff. It's the same for high schools, a former Delbarton/Villanova player is now on staff at Nova so it's no coincidence that they recruit Delbarton players year after year. Not to mention the number of players who will have an uncle, dad, older brother, etc who played somewhere. The point is the recruiting process overall is not an even playing ground, so it pays to leverage every possible advantage.

While I agree with much of what you have said, I do disagree with the idea of "recruiting" having moved online. The online portion is not really recruiting, it is club marketing. I do not think that most college coaches are focusing on a club's online content, and they are getting a lot of this media sent to them directly from potential recruits anyway. As far as connections, I do agree that it is helpful to have somebody on the inside, but there is only so much that can do for you, especially now that recruiting has expanded exponentially on a national level. Yes, schools like Delbarton have fared well in past years in the recruiting process, but you just have to look at the list of commits for the 2023 class to see how many kids are coming out of Florida, Texas, California, Colorado, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

They’ve lost to Tristate the last few times at the 2023 level. They typically only play NJ teams in the playoffs brackets but they always try to get out of it. They seem afraid which is weird because they claim they play the best competition.

I have a 2023 and they only played LE once and as a parent of the 2023. No one cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

They’ve lost to Tristate the last few times at the 2023 level. They typically only play NJ teams in the playoffs brackets but they always try to get out of it. They seem afraid which is weird because they claim they play the best competition.

I have a 2023 and they only played LE once and as a parent of the 2023. No one cares.

Except you clearly do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

They’ve lost to Tristate the last few times at the 2023 level. They typically only play NJ teams in the playoffs brackets but they always try to get out of it. They seem afraid which is weird because they claim they play the best competition.

I have a 2023 and they only played LE once and as a parent of the 2023. No one cares.

Except you clearly do.

No, I don't, and you will not care either once you are done with travel. The "this club" is better than "that club" means nothing. Find the place that works for you and stop crying and hope that when your son doesn't quit or leave a school like Penn State for Tampa.
This constant complaining is why people outside the lacrosse world make fun of lacrosse. Spoiled rich dads, with a lot of kids that really aren't that athletic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

They’ve lost to Tristate the last few times at the 2023 level. They typically only play NJ teams in the playoffs brackets but they always try to get out of it. They seem afraid which is weird because they claim they play the best competition.

I have a 2023 and they only played LE once and as a parent of the 2023. No one cares.

Except you clearly do.

No, I don't, and you will not care either once you are done with travel. The "this club" is better than "that club" means nothing. Find the place that works for you and stop crying and hope that when your son doesn't quit or leave a school like Penn State for Tampa.
This constant complaining is why people outside the lacrosse world make fun of lacrosse. Spoiled rich dads, with a lot of kids that really aren't that athletic.

What a d***!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

They’ve lost to Tristate the last few times at the 2023 level. They typically only play NJ teams in the playoffs brackets but they always try to get out of it. They seem afraid which is weird because they claim they play the best competition.

I have a 2023 and they only played LE once and as a parent of the 2023. No one cares.

Except you clearly do.

No, I don't, and you will not care either once you are done with travel. The "this club" is better than "that club" means nothing. Find the place that works for you and stop crying and hope that when your son doesn't quit or leave a school like Penn State for Tampa.
This constant complaining is why people outside the lacrosse world make fun of lacrosse. Spoiled rich dads, with a lot of kids that really aren't that athletic.

I have to laugh at this as I prepare my son's lacrosse highlight package. He does not have one for football but needs one for lacrosse. The sport of lacrosse is mildly full of itself. My sons love it so I keep their love going with $s. Yes, lacrosse is like fencing and crew a place where fewer kids play and parents hope for college. And a place where dollars, clubs and overpriced boarding private schools that are only really known for lacrosse and maybe hockey thrive. Hockey is another sport in this arena of fewer kids can do the sport and has a cost of entry barrier but the NHL pro leagues is legit. I mean the NHL, NBA , NFL, MLB, WNBA, MSL, all could buy the PLL for like under .01% of their revenues. It is a college entrance sport like fencing, crew, hockey. Fewer kids play these sports and they have barriers to entrance like $s or availability which yields fewer players to choose from. I want to get my son into college anyway I can and if it is via lacrosse great.

I have to laugh at this as I prepare my son's lacrosse highlight package. He does not have one for football but needs one for lacrosse. The sport of lacrosse is mildly full of itself. My sons love it so I keep their love going with $s. Yes, lacrosse is like fencing and crew a place where fewer kids play and parents hope for college. And a place where dollars, clubs and overpriced boarding private schools that are only really known for lacrosse and maybe hockey thrive. Hockey is another sport in this arena of fewer kids can do the sport and has a cost of entry barrier but the NHL pro leagues is legit. I mean the NHL, NBA , NFL, MLB, WNBA, MSL, all could buy the PLL for like under .01% of their revenues. It is a college entrance sport like fencing, crew, hockey. Fewer kids play these sports and they have barriers to entrance like $s or availability which yields fewer players to choose from. I want to get my son into college anyway I can and if it is via lacrosse great.[/quote]

Much of what you said is true, and looking at lacrosse for any purpose other than college admission is extremely short sighted. The sad part is how many kids are sold on the D1 lax dream and end up leaving the sport in college because it is such a grind. Staying motivated to play a D1 is very difficult when there is no future in your sport. Of course, there are definitely those lax rats out there that simply thrive on being part of the sport regardless of whether they ever see meaningful playing time in college, but I suspect that those kids a few and far between. Also, for those that think that D1 or D2 is the answer from a financial perspective, what gets continually overlooked is the fact that D3 provides equal, if not better, financial support. Unfortunately, since most D3 schools recruit later in the process, the financial advantages become more apparent later in the recruiting period, and if you kid gets a D1 offer late in the recruiting period, there typically is little scholarship money left in the pool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to laugh at this as I prepare my son's lacrosse highlight package. He does not have one for football but needs one for lacrosse. The sport of lacrosse is mildly full of itself. My sons love it so I keep their love going with $s. Yes, lacrosse is like fencing and crew a place where fewer kids play and parents hope for college. And a place where dollars, clubs and overpriced boarding private schools that are only really known for lacrosse and maybe hockey thrive. Hockey is another sport in this arena of fewer kids can do the sport and has a cost of entry barrier but the NHL pro leagues is legit. I mean the NHL, NBA , NFL, MLB, WNBA, MSL, all could buy the PLL for like under .01% of their revenues. It is a college entrance sport like fencing, crew, hockey. Fewer kids play these sports and they have barriers to entrance like $s or availability which yields fewer players to choose from. I want to get my son into college anyway I can and if it is via lacrosse great.

Much of what you said is true, and looking at lacrosse for any purpose other than college admission is extremely short sighted. The sad part is how many kids are sold on the D1 lax dream and end up leaving the sport in college because it is such a grind. Staying motivated to play a D1 is very difficult when there is no future in your sport. Of course, there are definitely those lax rats out there that simply thrive on being part of the sport regardless of whether they ever see meaningful playing time in college, but I suspect that those kids a few and far between. Also, for those that think that D1 or D2 is the answer from a financial perspective, what gets continually overlooked is the fact that D3 provides equal, if not better, financial support. Unfortunately, since most D3 schools recruit later in the process, the financial advantages become more apparent later in the recruiting period, and if you kid gets a D1 offer late in the recruiting period, there typically is little scholarship money left in the pool.[/quote]

Great post! ^^^^^^^

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to laugh at this as I prepare my son's lacrosse highlight package. He does not have one for football but needs one for lacrosse. The sport of lacrosse is mildly full of itself. My sons love it so I keep their love going with $s. Yes, lacrosse is like fencing and crew a place where fewer kids play and parents hope for college. And a place where dollars, clubs and overpriced boarding private schools that are only really known for lacrosse and maybe hockey thrive. Hockey is another sport in this arena of fewer kids can do the sport and has a cost of entry barrier but the NHL pro leagues is legit. I mean the NHL, NBA , NFL, MLB, WNBA, MSL, all could buy the PLL for like under .01% of their revenues. It is a college entrance sport like fencing, crew, hockey. Fewer kids play these sports and they have barriers to entrance like $s or availability which yields fewer players to choose from. I want to get my son into college anyway I can and if it is via lacrosse great.

Much of what you said is true, and looking at lacrosse for any purpose other than college admission is extremely short sighted. The sad part is how many kids are sold on the D1 lax dream and end up leaving the sport in college because it is such a grind. Staying motivated to play a D1 is very difficult when there is no future in your sport. Of course, there are definitely those lax rats out there that simply thrive on being part of the sport regardless of whether they ever see meaningful playing time in college, but I suspect that those kids a few and far between. Also, for those that think that D1 or D2 is the answer from a financial perspective, what gets continually overlooked is the fact that D3 provides equal, if not better, financial support. Unfortunately, since most D3 schools recruit later in the process, the financial advantages become more apparent later in the recruiting period, and if you kid gets a D1 offer late in the recruiting period, there typically is little scholarship money left in the pool.[/quote]

There is very little scholarship money in lacrosse. If parents of the 2024's thru the 2026's have not learned this yet then someone did them a disservice. Likewise, lacrosse does have a large percentage of wealthy parents. Look at all the Ivy and Patriot League kids who committed already for the 2024's. Most of those families are Doctors, Engineers, Bond Traders, Tech and private business owners and whatever else you can think of. They don't care about the $75,000.00 price tag for college and their kids are getting half off for academics anyway. Lacrosse can assist you a little bit in getting into a school you might not have if you did not play a sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to laugh at this as I prepare my son's lacrosse highlight package. He does not have one for football but needs one for lacrosse. The sport of lacrosse is mildly full of itself. My sons love it so I keep their love going with $s. Yes, lacrosse is like fencing and crew a place where fewer kids play and parents hope for college. And a place where dollars, clubs and overpriced boarding private schools that are only really known for lacrosse and maybe hockey thrive. Hockey is another sport in this arena of fewer kids can do the sport and has a cost of entry barrier but the NHL pro leagues is legit. I mean the NHL, NBA , NFL, MLB, WNBA, MSL, all could buy the PLL for like under .01% of their revenues. It is a college entrance sport like fencing, crew, hockey. Fewer kids play these sports and they have barriers to entrance like $s or availability which yields fewer players to choose from. I want to get my son into college anyway I can and if it is via lacrosse great.

Much of what you said is true, and looking at lacrosse for any purpose other than college admission is extremely short sighted. The sad part is how many kids are sold on the D1 lax dream and end up leaving the sport in college because it is such a grind. Staying motivated to play a D1 is very difficult when there is no future in your sport. Of course, there are definitely those lax rats out there that simply thrive on being part of the sport regardless of whether they ever see meaningful playing time in college, but I suspect that those kids a few and far between. Also, for those that think that D1 or D2 is the answer from a financial perspective, what gets continually overlooked is the fact that D3 provides equal, if not better, financial support. Unfortunately, since most D3 schools recruit later in the process, the financial advantages become more apparent later in the recruiting period, and if you kid gets a D1 offer late in the recruiting period, there typically is little scholarship money left in the pool.

There is very little scholarship money in lacrosse. If parents of the 2024's thru the 2026's have not learned this yet then someone did them a disservice. Likewise, lacrosse does have a large percentage of wealthy parents. Look at all the Ivy and Patriot League kids who committed already for the 2024's. Most of those families are Doctors, Engineers, Bond Traders, Tech and private business owners and whatever else you can think of. They don't care about the $75,000.00 price tag for college and their kids are getting half off for academics anyway. Lacrosse can assist you a little bit in getting into a school you might not have if you did not play a sport.[/quote]

I agree with posts above with the exception of thinking its difficult to stay motivated when there is no future in lacrosse. There is really no future for any other sport given the odds. For any other sport the chances of making it to the next level (NBA, MLB, NFL) is less than 1% chance. D1 lacrosse (even D2, D3) serves as the pinnacle and provides great opportunities once kids graduate due to networks they build and proving they have ability to balance school and sport and competitive level. They also get to play a competitive sport traveling to different schools and environments which can add to their college experience. If they don't like it they can always stop playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to laugh at this as I prepare my son's lacrosse highlight package. He does not have one for football but needs one for lacrosse. The sport of lacrosse is mildly full of itself. My sons love it so I keep their love going with $s. Yes, lacrosse is like fencing and crew a place where fewer kids play and parents hope for college. And a place where dollars, clubs and overpriced boarding private schools that are only really known for lacrosse and maybe hockey thrive. Hockey is another sport in this arena of fewer kids can do the sport and has a cost of entry barrier but the NHL pro leagues is legit. I mean the NHL, NBA , NFL, MLB, WNBA, MSL, all could buy the PLL for like under .01% of their revenues. It is a college entrance sport like fencing, crew, hockey. Fewer kids play these sports and they have barriers to entrance like $s or availability which yields fewer players to choose from. I want to get my son into college anyway I can and if it is via lacrosse great.

Much of what you said is true, and looking at lacrosse for any purpose other than college admission is extremely short sighted. The sad part is how many kids are sold on the D1 lax dream and end up leaving the sport in college because it is such a grind. Staying motivated to play a D1 is very difficult when there is no future in your sport. Of course, there are definitely those lax rats out there that simply thrive on being part of the sport regardless of whether they ever see meaningful playing time in college, but I suspect that those kids a few and far between. Also, for those that think that D1 or D2 is the answer from a financial perspective, what gets continually overlooked is the fact that D3 provides equal, if not better, financial support. Unfortunately, since most D3 schools recruit later in the process, the financial advantages become more apparent later in the recruiting period, and if you kid gets a D1 offer late in the recruiting period, there typically is little scholarship money left in the pool.

There is very little scholarship money in lacrosse. If parents of the 2024's thru the 2026's have not learned this yet then someone did them a disservice. Likewise, lacrosse does have a large percentage of wealthy parents. Look at all the Ivy and Patriot League kids who committed already for the 2024's. Most of those families are Doctors, Engineers, Bond Traders, Tech and private business owners and whatever else you can think of. They don't care about the $75,000.00 price tag for college and their kids are getting half off for academics anyway. Lacrosse can assist you a little bit in getting into a school you might not have if you did not play a sport.

I agree with posts above with the exception of thinking its difficult to stay motivated when there is no future in lacrosse. There is really no future for any other sport given the odds. For any other sport the chances of making it to the next level (NBA, MLB, NFL) is less than 1% chance. D1 lacrosse (even D2, D3) serves as the pinnacle and provides great opportunities once kids graduate due to networks they build and proving they have ability to balance school and sport at a competitive level. They also get to play a competitive sport traveling to different schools and environments which can add to their college experience. If they don't like it they can always stop playing.[/quote]

I would like to also add lacrosse can assist kids tremendously get into a school they might not have been able to get into (especially the Ivy's) given they are true top 100 to 125 player (not just based on these published rankings) and achieve high level grades.

Then there is the waiting game for most others and given patience and perseverance your son / daughter can still get into a very good school D1, D2, D3. Another reality is physical size definitely helps tip the scales.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to laugh at this as I prepare my son's lacrosse highlight package. He does not have one for football but needs one for lacrosse. The sport of lacrosse is mildly full of itself. My sons love it so I keep their love going with $s. Yes, lacrosse is like fencing and crew a place where fewer kids play and parents hope for college. And a place where dollars, clubs and overpriced boarding private schools that are only really known for lacrosse and maybe hockey thrive. Hockey is another sport in this arena of fewer kids can do the sport and has a cost of entry barrier but the NHL pro leagues is legit. I mean the NHL, NBA , NFL, MLB, WNBA, MSL, all could buy the PLL for like under .01% of their revenues. It is a college entrance sport like fencing, crew, hockey. Fewer kids play these sports and they have barriers to entrance like $s or availability which yields fewer players to choose from. I want to get my son into college anyway I can and if it is via lacrosse great.

Much of what you said is true, and looking at lacrosse for any purpose other than college admission is extremely short sighted. The sad part is how many kids are sold on the D1 lax dream and end up leaving the sport in college because it is such a grind. Staying motivated to play a D1 is very difficult when there is no future in your sport. Of course, there are definitely those lax rats out there that simply thrive on being part of the sport regardless of whether they ever see meaningful playing time in college, but I suspect that those kids a few and far between. Also, for those that think that D1 or D2 is the answer from a financial perspective, what gets continually overlooked is the fact that D3 provides equal, if not better, financial support. Unfortunately, since most D3 schools recruit later in the process, the financial advantages become more apparent later in the recruiting period, and if you kid gets a D1 offer late in the recruiting period, there typically is little scholarship money left in the pool.

There is very little scholarship money in lacrosse. If parents of the 2024's thru the 2026's have not learned this yet then someone did them a disservice. Likewise, lacrosse does have a large percentage of wealthy parents. Look at all the Ivy and Patriot League kids who committed already for the 2024's. Most of those families are Doctors, Engineers, Bond Traders, Tech and private business owners and whatever else you can think of. They don't care about the $75,000.00 price tag for college and their kids are getting half off for academics anyway. Lacrosse can assist you a little bit in getting into a school you might not have if you did not play a sport.

I agree with posts above with the exception of thinking its difficult to stay motivated when there is no future in lacrosse. There is really no future for any other sport given the odds. For any other sport the chances of making it to the next level (NBA, MLB, NFL) is less than 1% chance. D1 lacrosse (even D2, D3) serves as the pinnacle and provides great opportunities once kids graduate due to networks they build and proving they have ability to balance school and sport and competitive level. They also get to play a competitive sport traveling to different schools and environments which can add to their college experience. If they don't like it they can always stop playing.[/quote]

I appreciate the reply, and the odds of success, but my point was simply that most kids going to play high level D1 basketball, baseball, football or hockey are trying to go pro, not so much with the majority lacrosse players. Either way, as most have noted, the future connections and opportunities outside of the sport are invaluable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

September 1 is days away. Very exciting time for some of our kids. Who in NJ will be off the board early?

Without using names.....LE Goalie, Tri State Goalie from Lawrenceville, Mad Dog Goalie....BBL Middie from DB, LE Defender from DB, LE Attack from Pingry, both BBL attackman from Westfield and SHP, Tri State Middie from Red Bank, Tri States three attacks from SHP (2) and Princeton are all outstanding scorers but system guys but will go, just not sure how early. I am sure there are others but if you look at Inside Lacrosse's recent article, college coaches feel the 2024's have a smaller amount of star power kids, but have a large group of mid to above average kids who could play in college.

Looks like an RBR dad's post. Overlooking the RFH 4 stars.

Kind of fun to revisit this post...congrats to the RBR kid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

September 1 is days away. Very exciting time for some of our kids. Who in NJ will be off the board early?

Without using names.....LE Goalie, Tri State Goalie from Lawrenceville, Mad Dog Goalie....BBL Middie from DB, LE Defender from DB, LE Attack from Pingry, both BBL attackman from Westfield and SHP, Tri State Middie from Red Bank, Tri States three attacks from SHP (2) and Princeton are all outstanding scorers but system guys but will go, just not sure how early. I am sure there are others but if you look at Inside Lacrosse's recent article, college coaches feel the 2024's have a smaller amount of star power kids, but have a large group of mid to above average kids who could play in college.

Looks like an RBR dad's post. Overlooking the RFH 4 stars.

Kind of fun to revisit this post...congrats to the RBR kid

Congratulations to you and your son. RBR has 3 D1 players, hopefully, they can make it to out of the first round of the SCT.
Very impressive that both LE and TriState didn't lose a game last weekend. The 2024 seem to be doing better than the 2022 & 2023, who on this list is still on the board?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

September 1 is days away. Very exciting time for some of our kids. Who in NJ will be off the board early?

Without using names.....LE Goalie, Tri State Goalie from Lawrenceville, Mad Dog Goalie....BBL Middie from DB, LE Defender from DB, LE Attack from Pingry, both BBL attackman from Westfield and SHP, Tri State Middie from Red Bank, Tri States three attacks from SHP (2) and Princeton are all outstanding scorers but system guys but will go, just not sure how early. I am sure there are others but if you look at Inside Lacrosse's recent article, college coaches feel the 2024's have a smaller amount of star power kids, but have a large group of mid to above average kids who could play in college.

Looks like an RBR dad's post. Overlooking the RFH 4 stars.

Kind of fun to revisit this post...congrats to the RBR kid

Congratulations to you and your son. RBR has 3 D1 players, hopefully, they can make it to out of the first round of the SCT.
Very impressive that both LE and TriState didn't lose a game last weekend. The 2024 seem to be doing better than the 2022 & 2023, who on this list is still on the board?

Not my kid, but thanks, and I'm sure that the RBR kids truly appreciate your support. You are obviously clueless about the challenges that the team faces, things like a historically unsupportive administration and the loss of athletes to local privates take a toll. As far as fall ball, it is a great opportunity for the 2024's to get in front of college coaches before the next wave of recruiting, tournaments like NAL are usually pretty packed with coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

September 1 is days away. Very exciting time for some of our kids. Who in NJ will be off the board early?

Without using names.....LE Goalie, Tri State Goalie from Lawrenceville, Mad Dog Goalie....BBL Middie from DB, LE Defender from DB, LE Attack from Pingry, both BBL attackman from Westfield and SHP, Tri State Middie from Red Bank, Tri States three attacks from SHP (2) and Princeton are all outstanding scorers but system guys but will go, just not sure how early. I am sure there are others but if you look at Inside Lacrosse's recent article, college coaches feel the 2024's have a smaller amount of star power kids, but have a large group of mid to above average kids who could play in college.

Looks like an RBR dad's post. Overlooking the RFH 4 stars.

Kind of fun to revisit this post...congrats to the RBR kid

Congratulations to you and your son. RBR has 3 D1 players, hopefully, they can make it to out of the first round of the SCT.
Very impressive that both LE and TriState didn't lose a game last weekend. The 2024 seem to be doing better than the 2022 & 2023, who on this list is still on the board?

2024 class is strong across the board in NJ. There is a major fall off in terms of depth from 2024 to 2025.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

September 1 is days away. Very exciting time for some of our kids. Who in NJ will be off the board early?

Without using names.....LE Goalie, Tri State Goalie from Lawrenceville, Mad Dog Goalie....BBL Middie from DB, LE Defender from DB, LE Attack from Pingry, both BBL attackman from Westfield and SHP, Tri State Middie from Red Bank, Tri States three attacks from SHP (2) and Princeton are all outstanding scorers but system guys but will go, just not sure how early. I am sure there are others but if you look at Inside Lacrosse's recent article, college coaches feel the 2024's have a smaller amount of star power kids, but have a large group of mid to above average kids who could play in college.

Looks like an RBR dad's post. Overlooking the RFH 4 stars.

Kind of fun to revisit this post...congrats to the RBR kid

Congratulations to you and your son. RBR has 3 D1 players, hopefully, they can make it to out of the first round of the SCT.
Very impressive that both LE and TriState didn't lose a game last weekend. The 2024 seem to be doing better than the 2022 & 2023, who on this list is still on the board?

Not my kid, but thanks, and I'm sure that the RBR kids truly appreciate your support. You are obviously clueless about the challenges that the team faces, things like a historically unsupportive administration and the loss of athletes to local privates take a toll. As far as fall ball, it is a great opportunity for the 2024's to get in front of college coaches before the next wave of recruiting, tournaments like NAL are usually pretty packed with coaches.

Everyone losses kids to CBA; stop crying. Look around the Shore, there are maybe three or four schools with real lacrosse coaches. The CBA coach is not good, and not sure if the Wall guy can even catch and throw.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

September 1 is days away. Very exciting time for some of our kids. Who in NJ will be off the board early?

Without using names.....LE Goalie, Tri State Goalie from Lawrenceville, Mad Dog Goalie....BBL Middie from DB, LE Defender from DB, LE Attack from Pingry, both BBL attackman from Westfield and SHP, Tri State Middie from Red Bank, Tri States three attacks from SHP (2) and Princeton are all outstanding scorers but system guys but will go, just not sure how early. I am sure there are others but if you look at Inside Lacrosse's recent article, college coaches feel the 2024's have a smaller amount of star power kids, but have a large group of mid to above average kids who could play in college.

Looks like an RBR dad's post. Overlooking the RFH 4 stars.

Kind of fun to revisit this post...congrats to the RBR kid

Congratulations to you and your son. RBR has 3 D1 players, hopefully, they can make it to out of the first round of the SCT.
Very impressive that both LE and TriState didn't lose a game last weekend. The 2024 seem to be doing better than the 2022 & 2023, who on this list is still on the board?

Not my kid, but thanks, and I'm sure that the RBR kids truly appreciate your support. You are obviously clueless about the challenges that the team faces, things like a historically unsupportive administration and the loss of athletes to local privates take a toll. As far as fall ball, it is a great opportunity for the 2024's to get in front of college coaches before the next wave of recruiting, tournaments like NAL are usually pretty packed with coaches.

Everyone losses kids to CBA; stop crying. Look around the Shore, there are maybe three or four schools with real lacrosse coaches. The CBA coach is not good, and not sure if the Wall guy can even catch and throw.

This is to the guy who said congratulations. Why are you such a troll and why do you think this person is from RBR. Your obviously disgruntled against that high school for whatever reason. I am guessing your from the Shore. You deflected into the whole High School comparison because you were obviously wrong with what you were trying to insinuate a few weeks ago. I am a 24 parent and am familiar with almost every person on that list and it is a good group, with that in mind, the post looks to be made for fun from an earlier prodding post, asking a question of "who people thought would go early." The poster was pretty darn accurate with one big miss being the LSM from BBL who is a student and off the board. Also, this poster seems to be Pro LE based on what he initially said and then his follow up post about the Westfield defenseman going to Cornell and the DB defenseman, who I know has a few offers on the table being "slightly" better than the kid from Rumson.

Everyone losses kids to CBA; stop crying. Look around the Shore, there are maybe three or four schools with real lacrosse coaches. The CBA coach is not good, and not sure if the Wall guy can even catch and throw.[/quote]

Not just CBA, you are also losing great athletes to RBC to pursue football. What you also need to appreciate is that lacrosse is relatively new to the shore compared to the traditional NJ lacrosse powers. In fact, you will find that much of the support for lacrosse in the shore area is the result of kids raised with lacrosse in northern NJ and elsewhere relocating to the shore and raising families. Also, it is not as easy as you may think to find a real lacrosse coach. Either way, I suspect that your animosity towards the shore, or any of the shore lacrosse kids or programs, comes from a much more personal space, so we can leave the conversation at that.

This is to the guy who said congratulations. Why are you such a troll and why do you think this person is from RBR. Your obviously disgruntled against that high school for whatever reason. I am guessing your from the Shore. You deflected into the whole High School comparison because you were obviously wrong with what you were trying to insinuate a few weeks ago. I am a 24 parent and am familiar with almost every person on that list and it is a good group, with that in mind, the post looks to be made for fun from an earlier prodding post, asking a question of "who people thought would go early." The poster was pretty darn accurate with one big miss being the LSM from BBL who is a student and off the board. Also, this poster seems to be Pro LE based on what he initially said and then his follow up post about the Westfield defenseman going to Cornell and the DB defenseman, who I know has a few offers on the table being "slightly" better than the kid from Rumson.[/quote]

I wonder if his kid is one of the early 2024 commits (and therefore an obnoxious troll living vicariously through his kid)....or is he just bitter that this supposed inferior lacrosse program has three D1 commits. Either way, its a pretty good example why club is so important for kids that come from high schools with less prominent programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is to the guy who said congratulations. Why are you such a troll and why do you think this person is from RBR. Your obviously disgruntled against that high school for whatever reason. I am guessing your from the Shore. You deflected into the whole High School comparison because you were obviously wrong with what you were trying to insinuate a few weeks ago. I am a 24 parent and am familiar with almost every person on that list and it is a good group, with that in mind, the post looks to be made for fun from an earlier prodding post, asking a question of "who people thought would go early." The poster was pretty darn accurate with one big miss being the LSM from BBL who is a student and off the board. Also, this poster seems to be Pro LE based on what he initially said and then his follow up post about the Westfield defenseman going to Cornell and the DB defenseman, who I know has a few offers on the table being "slightly" better than the kid from Rumson.

I wonder if his kid is one of the early 2024 commits (and therefore an obnoxious troll living vicariously through his kid)....or is he just bitter that this supposed inferior lacrosse program has three D1 commits. Either way, its a pretty good example why club is so important for kids that come from high schools with less prominent programs.[/quote]

Westfield has some talent, sounds like they will be fun to watch. Could they have more comments than any other public school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is to the guy who said congratulations. Why are you such a troll and why do you think this person is from RBR. Your obviously disgruntled against that high school for whatever reason. I am guessing your from the Shore. You deflected into the whole High School comparison because you were obviously wrong with what you were trying to insinuate a few weeks ago. I am a 24 parent and am familiar with almost every person on that list and it is a good group, with that in mind, the post looks to be made for fun from an earlier prodding post, asking a question of "who people thought would go early." The poster was pretty darn accurate with one big miss being the LSM from BBL who is a student and off the board. Also, this poster seems to be Pro LE based on what he initially said and then his follow up post about the Westfield defenseman going to Cornell and the DB defenseman, who I know has a few offers on the table being "slightly" better than the kid from Rumson.

I wonder if his kid is one of the early 2024 commits (and therefore an obnoxious troll living vicariously through his kid)....or is he just bitter that this supposed inferior lacrosse program has three D1 commits. Either way, its a pretty good example why club is so important for kids that come from high schools with less prominent programs.

Westfield has some talent, sounds like they will be fun to watch. Could they have more comments than any other public school?[/quote]

Not disagreeing, and not sure of the total numbers, but RFH (if you count the kid that left for prep school) and Wall have quite a few as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is to the guy who said congratulations. Why are you such a troll and why do you think this person is from RBR. Your obviously disgruntled against that high school for whatever reason. I am guessing your from the Shore. You deflected into the whole High School comparison because you were obviously wrong with what you were trying to insinuate a few weeks ago. I am a 24 parent and am familiar with almost every person on that list and it is a good group, with that in mind, the post looks to be made for fun from an earlier prodding post, asking a question of "who people thought would go early." The poster was pretty darn accurate with one big miss being the LSM from BBL who is a student and off the board. Also, this poster seems to be Pro LE based on what he initially said and then his follow up post about the Westfield defenseman going to Cornell and the DB defenseman, who I know has a few offers on the table being "slightly" better than the kid from Rumson.

I wonder if his kid is one of the early 2024 commits (and therefore an obnoxious troll living vicariously through his kid)....or is he just bitter that this supposed inferior lacrosse program has three D1 commits. Either way, its a pretty good example why club is so important for kids that come from high schools with less prominent programs.

Westfield has some talent, sounds like they will be fun to watch. Could they have more comments than any other public school?[/quote]
Slow Friday Morning.. below pulled from ISL includes (D1, D2, and D3).. only looked at public schools in top 20 from last year. Yes, really don't want to work today.

Bridgewater-Raritan - 7
Ridgewood - 6
Westfield - 5
RFH - 5
Hunterdon Central - 4
Wall - 4
Sparta - 4
Manasquan - 3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is to the guy who said congratulations. Why are you such a troll and why do you think this person is from RBR. Your obviously disgruntled against that high school for whatever reason. I am guessing your from the Shore. You deflected into the whole High School comparison because you were obviously wrong with what you were trying to insinuate a few weeks ago. I am a 24 parent and am familiar with almost every person on that list and it is a good group, with that in mind, the post looks to be made for fun from an earlier prodding post, asking a question of "who people thought would go early." The poster was pretty darn accurate with one big miss being the LSM from BBL who is a student and off the board. Also, this poster seems to be Pro LE based on what he initially said and then his follow up post about the Westfield defenseman going to Cornell and the DB defenseman, who I know has a few offers on the table being "slightly" better than the kid from Rumson.

I wonder if his kid is one of the early 2024 commits (and therefore an obnoxious troll living vicariously through his kid)....or is he just bitter that this supposed inferior lacrosse program has three D1 commits. Either way, its a pretty good example why club is so important for kids that come from high schools with less prominent programs.

Westfield has some talent, sounds like they will be fun to watch. Could they have more comments than any other public school?

Slow Friday Morning.. below pulled from ISL includes (D1, D2, and D3).. only looked at public schools in top 20 from last year. Yes, really don't want to work today.

Bridgewater-Raritan - 7
Ridgewood - 6
Westfield - 5
RFH - 5
Hunterdon Central - 4
Wall - 4
Sparta - 4
Manasquan - 3[/quote]

Honest question, how are Summit and ML not on this list...ML dismantled RFH in the TOC last year, just cannot understand why they are not stacked with commits

Honest question, how are Summit and ML not on this list...ML dismantled RFH in the TOC last year, just cannot understand why they are not stacked with commits[/quote]

Good question. I'm thinking that they just have superior coaching that allows them to extract more wins from less talent?

I notice that many of their kids play for Laker Futures or Steps instead of Leading Edge/BBL/Tri-State. Do their HS coaches push them there? I'm wondering if the lack of elite club visibility impacts where they end up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, how are Summit and ML not on this list...ML dismantled RFH in the TOC last year, just cannot understand why they are not stacked with commits

Good question. I'm thinking that they just have superior coaching that allows them to extract more wins from less talent?

I notice that many of their kids play for Laker Futures or Steps instead of Leading Edge/BBL/Tri-State. Do their HS coaches push them there? I'm wondering if the lack of elite club visibility impacts where they end up.[/quote]

Summit runs a system offense and zone defense that doesn’t highlight individual players so they rarely generate superstars. That said, they do fairly well with commits yo high academic d1 and d2, especially Patriot league and NESCACs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, how are Summit and ML not on this list...ML dismantled RFH in the TOC last year, just cannot understand why they are not stacked with commits

Good question. I'm thinking that they just have superior coaching that allows them to extract more wins from less talent?

I notice that many of their kids play for Laker Futures or Steps instead of Leading Edge/BBL/Tri-State. Do their HS coaches push them there? I'm wondering if the lack of elite club visibility impacts where they end up.[/quote]

Took a few minutes to check out IL, they show at least 5 2023 commits for ML, 2 D1 and 3 D3, so looks like they were omitted in error.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, how are Summit and ML not on this list...ML dismantled RFH in the TOC last year, just cannot understand why they are not stacked with commits

Good question. I'm thinking that they just have superior coaching that allows them to extract more wins from less talent?

I notice that many of their kids play for Laker Futures or Steps instead of Leading Edge/BBL/Tri-State. Do their HS coaches push them there? I'm wondering if the lack of elite club visibility impacts where they end up.

Summit runs a system offense and zone defense that doesn’t highlight individual players so they rarely generate superstars. That said, they do fairly well with commits yo high academic d1 and d2, especially Patriot league and NESCACs.[/quote]

Typo: d1 and d3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

It is unreal that the don't let kids play in a NLF. I think all the NJ teams should have a tournament to play each other. LE most likely wont enter it cause they do not play NJ teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

It is unreal that the don't let kids play in a NLF. I think all the NJ teams should have a tournament to play each other. LE most likely wont enter it cause they do not play NJ teams.

Unfortunately, however ridiculous, that is the world of lacrosse. Either way, although the NLF has some very competitive tournaments with excellent teams, the competition is equally as good, if not better, at NAL, Crab Feast and Naptown

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

It is unreal that the don't let kids play in a NLF. I think all the NJ teams should have a tournament to play each other. LE most likely wont enter it cause they do not play NJ teams.

Unfortunately, however ridiculous, that is the world of lacrosse. Either way, although the NLF has some very competitive tournaments with excellent teams, the competition is equally as good, if not better, at NAL, Crab Feast and Naptown

LE dodges other top NJ teams every chance they get. Especially at the 2026 level. They also play kids down. Last season there were two 2026 kids playing for their 2027 team. Not holdbacks in school, just lacrosse. So weak.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

It is unreal that the don't let kids play in a NLF. I think all the NJ teams should have a tournament to play each other. LE most likely wont enter it cause they do not play NJ teams.

Unfortunately, however ridiculous, that is the world of lacrosse. Either way, although the NLF has some very competitive tournaments with excellent teams, the competition is equally as good, if not better, at NAL, Crab Feast and Naptown

LE dodges other top NJ teams every chance they get. Especially at the 2026 level. They also play kids down. Last season there were two 2026 kids playing for their 2027 team. Not holdbacks in school, just lacrosse. So weak.

They remain in same grade with the excuse that they are going to do a PG year, been going on for years, you just don't see it as much in NJ, but when you do, mostly with LE kids, but not necessarily exclusive to LE

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

It is unreal that the don't let kids play in a NLF. I think all the NJ teams should have a tournament to play each other. LE most likely wont enter it cause they do not play NJ teams.

Unfortunately, however ridiculous, that is the world of lacrosse. Either way, although the NLF has some very competitive tournaments with excellent teams, the competition is equally as good, if not better, at NAL, Crab Feast and Naptown

LE dodges other top NJ teams every chance they get. Especially at the 2026 level. They also play kids down. Last season there were two 2026 kids playing for their 2027 team. Not holdbacks in school, just lacrosse. So weak.

They remain in same grade with the excuse that they are going to do a PG year, been going on for years, you just don't see it as much in NJ, but when you do, mostly with LE kids, but not necessarily exclusive to LE

Same thing at the 2024 grade for LE. They had a least 3, maybe 5 kids playing for 2024 that are seniors this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

It is unreal that the don't let kids play in a NLF. I think all the NJ teams should have a tournament to play each other. LE most likely wont enter it cause they do not play NJ teams.

Unfortunately, however ridiculous, that is the world of lacrosse. Either way, although the NLF has some very competitive tournaments with excellent teams, the competition is equally as good, if not better, at NAL, Crab Feast and Naptown

LE dodges other top NJ teams every chance they get. Especially at the 2026 level. They also play kids down. Last season there were two 2026 kids playing for their 2027 team. Not holdbacks in school, just lacrosse. So weak.

They remain in same grade with the excuse that they are going to do a PG year, been going on for years, you just don't see it as much in NJ, but when you do, mostly with LE kids, but not necessarily exclusive to LE

Same thing at the 2024 grade for LE. They had a least 3, maybe 5 kids playing for 2024 that are seniors this year.

Different story with the older grades. I believe most of those kids commit as a 2024 so they are taking the PG year. They wouldn't play with the 2023 for recruiting class purposes if they were goin to PG anyways. It makes sense, it isn't LE exclusive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

It is unreal that the don't let kids play in a NLF. I think all the NJ teams should have a tournament to play each other. LE most likely wont enter it cause they do not play NJ teams.

Unfortunately, however ridiculous, that is the world of lacrosse. Either way, although the NLF has some very competitive tournaments with excellent teams, the competition is equally as good, if not better, at NAL, Crab Feast and Naptown

LE dodges other top NJ teams every chance they get. Especially at the 2026 level. They also play kids down. Last season there were two 2026 kids playing for their 2027 team. Not holdbacks in school, just lacrosse. So weak.

They remain in same grade with the excuse that they are going to do a PG year, been going on for years, you just don't see it as much in NJ, but when you do, mostly with LE kids, but not necessarily exclusive to LE

Same thing at the 2024 grade for LE. They had a least 3, maybe 5 kids playing for 2024 that are seniors this year.

The kid going to UVA for the 2024's graduates this year from his high school. Probably should be moved to the 2023 list unless he is going a PG year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

It is unreal that the don't let kids play in a NLF. I think all the NJ teams should have a tournament to play each other. LE most likely wont enter it cause they do not play NJ teams.

Unfortunately, however ridiculous, that is the world of lacrosse. Either way, although the NLF has some very competitive tournaments with excellent teams, the competition is equally as good, if not better, at NAL, Crab Feast and Naptown

LE dodges other top NJ teams every chance they get. Especially at the 2026 level. They also play kids down. Last season there were two 2026 kids playing for their 2027 team. Not holdbacks in school, just lacrosse. So weak.

They remain in same grade with the excuse that they are going to do a PG year, been going on for years, you just don't see it as much in NJ, but when you do, mostly with LE kids, but not necessarily exclusive to LE

Same thing at the 2024 grade for LE. They had a least 3, maybe 5 kids playing for 2024 that are seniors this year.

The kid going to UVA for the 2024's graduates this year from his high school. Probably should be moved to the 2023 list unless he is going a PG year.

He’s recruited as a 24. Worked out well for him and he will PG this year. It’s the perfect example of the scenario. Plays 2024s with the intention of PG so that he can be recruited as just that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, how are Summit and ML not on this list...ML dismantled RFH in the TOC last year, just cannot understand why they are not stacked with commits

Good question. I'm thinking that they just have superior coaching that allows them to extract more wins from less talent?

I notice that many of their kids play for Laker Futures or Steps instead of Leading Edge/BBL/Tri-State. Do their HS coaches push them there? I'm wondering if the lack of elite club visibility impacts where they end up.

Summit runs a system offense and zone defense that doesn’t highlight individual players so they rarely generate superstars. That said, they do fairly well with commits yo high academic d1 and d2, especially Patriot league and NESCACs.[/quote]

I can shed some light here as we lived in Summit for 15 years and my son and daughter came up through the youth program. First, I would argue that Summit runs the best youth program in the state (ML a close second). Summit is a larger town with a rich lacrosse tradition so there is no shortage in talent in each grade. However, the caveat is that every year they will lose a large chunk to private schools. Every year is different but some years it is more than half the best players. Looking at my son's 8th grade "A" team, the high school breakdown was as follows: SHS: 7 Delbarton: 7 Pingry: 3 Lawrenceville: 1. The players who went to SHS played for the futures team, and the private school kids played for Patriot, LE, and BBL. Those were really the only options at the time; the number of clubs nowadays always surprises me. In fact, my son played on one of the inaugural Steps club teams for boys, at the time it was called the Steps Futures All-Star team and it was made up primarily of the best players from the Summit and ML futures teams. My understanding was that it was started as a way to entice the best players to stay in the futures programs and not go to one of the private clubs. The renowned Steps girls team was a good model to follow and the Summit and ML players provided a strong foundation. It is interesting now to see how the landscape of club allegiances has shifted due to coaching changes, for example Delbarton/Steps and SHP/Tri-State. Between Kovachik, Davidson, and Flynn, Steps has the best collection of coaches without a doubt.

The zone defense itself was designed to extract more out of less talent, it was famously born during the 2009 season. While I agree with you that Summit has not produced many superstars recently, this was not the case during the heyday. And the biggest star from Summit in 2009 was actually Delbarton's best player, a top recruit and UA All-American who went on to be an All-Ivy middie at Harvard. NJ overall had a lot of talent that year and had made a big splash that summer after winning the UA underclass tourney, a very big deal back then for recruiting. Anyways, after losing 10-6 to Delbarton in the season opener, Summit devised and implemented the zone as a way to neutralize Delbarton's one on one advantage. The rest is history of course and Summit would not lose again until nearly three years later. Delbarton would not beat Summit again until in 2012, after losing 9-4 to Summit in the regular season they decided to play zone themselves. I put the link to the game below, truly fool to see as it was the first and last time I have seen a Delbarton team run zone for an entire game. Delbarton's best player that year was also a middie from Summit who went on to win two national titles at Duke, starting to see a trend here?

2012 TOC Semi- Delbarton 5 - Summit 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcAXs4mlpCw&ab_channel=ChuckRuebling

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE will not allow any other NJ teams in NLF. They have denied plenty of NJ teams from playing in it. I think it is a great tournament and helps LE but it is not end all be all.

When was the last time a LE team play a team form NJ? They always request not to play any teams from NJ.

It is unreal that the don't let kids play in a NLF. I think all the NJ teams should have a tournament to play each other. LE most likely wont enter it cause they do not play NJ teams.

Unfortunately, however ridiculous, that is the world of lacrosse. Either way, although the NLF has some very competitive tournaments with excellent teams, the competition is equally as good, if not better, at NAL, Crab Feast and Naptown

LE dodges other top NJ teams every chance they get. Especially at the 2026 level. They also play kids down. Last season there were two 2026 kids playing for their 2027 team. Not holdbacks in school, just lacrosse. So weak.

They remain in same grade with the excuse that they are going to do a PG year, been going on for years, you just don't see it as much in NJ, but when you do, mostly with LE kids, but not necessarily exclusive to LE

Same thing at the 2024 grade for LE. They had a least 3, maybe 5 kids playing for 2024 that are seniors this year.

Different story with the older grades. I believe most of those kids commit as a 2024 so they are taking the PG year. They wouldn't play with the 2023 for recruiting class purposes if they were goin to PG anyways. It makes sense, it isn't LE exclusive.

This is not true...BBL did not have anyone from the 2023 class this summer and Tri State had one reclass where he actually reclassed and is a junior.

Nobody would argue that Summit and ML have 2 of the best youth programs in the state. They lose half of their talent to prep schools, but their HS teams are still ridiculous.

The question we're trying to answer is this . . . how does Summit and ML beat SHP, Delbarton, etc with a fraction of the number of D1 recruits?

2 possible explanations that I see:
- the coaching at Summit/ML is far superior to the coaching at these private schools so they can win with far less talent
- the talent gap is not that big, but the recruiting support and visibility provided at the private schools/clubs enables similarly talented kids go to better colleges

What's your take?

will be interesting to see how it plays out for Summit going forward their freshman class lost only 1 A team player to private school and the '26's are one of the strongest grades they have had in some time

Seems like BBL is taking over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody would argue that Summit and ML have 2 of the best youth programs in the state. They lose half of their talent to prep schools, but their HS teams are still ridiculous.

The question we're trying to answer is this . . . how does Summit and ML beat SHP, Delbarton, etc with a fraction of the number of D1 recruits?

2 possible explanations that I see:
- the coaching at Summit/ML is far superior to the coaching at these private schools so they can win with far less talent
- the talent gap is not that big, but the recruiting support and visibility provided at the private schools/clubs enables similarly talented kids go to better colleges

What's your take?

They play more as a team.. look at the 2025/So class at Delbarton. Great players but parents and kids don't like each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody would argue that Summit and ML have 2 of the best youth programs in the state. They lose half of their talent to prep schools, but their HS teams are still ridiculous.

The question we're trying to answer is this . . . how does Summit and ML beat SHP, Delbarton, etc with a fraction of the number of D1 recruits?

2 possible explanations that I see:
- the coaching at Summit/ML is far superior to the coaching at these private schools so they can win with far less talent
- the talent gap is not that big, but the recruiting support and visibility provided at the private schools/clubs enables similarly talented kids go to better colleges

What's your take?

They play more as a team.. look at the 2025/So class at Delbarton. Great players but parents and kids don't like each other.

That is a really interesting take on the situation. With schools like Delbarton, SHP and DB, parents are putting their kids there for lacrosse, so I suspect that the competition must be lot more heated in regards to playing time, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody would argue that Summit and ML have 2 of the best youth programs in the state. They lose half of their talent to prep schools, but their HS teams are still ridiculous.

The question we're trying to answer is this . . . how does Summit and ML beat SHP, Delbarton, etc with a fraction of the number of D1 recruits?

2 possible explanations that I see:
- the coaching at Summit/ML is far superior to the coaching at these private schools so they can win with far less talent
- the talent gap is not that big, but the recruiting support and visibility provided at the private schools/clubs enables similarly talented kids go to better colleges

What's your take?

They play more as a team.. look at the 2025/So class at Delbarton. Great players but parents and kids don't like each other.

That is a really interesting take on the situation. With schools like Delbarton, SHP and DB, parents are putting their kids there for lacrosse, so I suspect that the competition must be lot more heated in regards to playing time, etc.

with bigger name coaches (giarrusso, former SHP HC and calandra, former Chatham HC) moving on to smaller schools like MKA and St. Joes Metuchen respectively, why wouldn't kids want to go there and play 4 years of varsity lacrosse, potentially be more happy there and still get recruited the same amount? Kids at SHP get CUT from freshman teams - many are talented that make it and don't sniff the field til their junior/senior years. Giarrusso and Calandra have had some pretty big names recruited to the next level at prior jobs, club kids included.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody would argue that Summit and ML have 2 of the best youth programs in the state. They lose half of their talent to prep schools, but their HS teams are still ridiculous.

The question we're trying to answer is this . . . how does Summit and ML beat SHP, Delbarton, etc with a fraction of the number of D1 recruits?

2 possible explanations that I see:
- the coaching at Summit/ML is far superior to the coaching at these private schools so they can win with far less talent
- the talent gap is not that big, but the recruiting support and visibility provided at the private schools/clubs enables similarly talented kids go to better colleges

What's your take?

They play more as a team.. look at the 2025/So class at Delbarton. Great players but parents and kids don't like each other.

That is a really interesting take on the situation. With schools like Delbarton, SHP and DB, parents are putting their kids there for lacrosse, so I suspect that the competition must be lot more heated in regards to playing time, etc.

I love it when summit and lakes beat big privates like delbarton. They both lose a few studs every year to privates and still beat them a good percentage of the time. kids who leave lakes and summit do it for reasons other than lacrosse. But kids from mediocre to weak lacrosse high schools often go private for lacrosse purposes to get more exposure to better coaching and competition.

Bravo! Or your kid doesn’t quit because the lax team all do drugs, which someone I knew experienced

Or came home after 1 year because he was burnt out

Or has awful mental health because him
and his parents never focused on the right things

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bravo! Or your kid doesn’t quit because the lax team all do drugs, which someone I knew experienced

Or came home after 1 year because he was burnt out

Or has awful mental health because him
and his parents never focused on the right things

Huh?

What is the general opinion on STEPS? Their teams seem good but not great at HS level. Their coaching staff has to be the best and its not even close, Kovachik (delbarton, NJ HOF), Giarusso (MKA, SHP), Webster ( Pingry NJ HOF), Davidson (Sumit, NJ HOF).. and more but you get the point. Do they just not play the cut throat game in HS and cut and poach kids to get better. IS that what you have to do to be elite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the general opinion on STEPS? Their teams seem good but not great at HS level. Their coaching staff has to be the best and its not even close, Kovachik (delbarton, NJ HOF), Giarusso (MKA, SHP), Webster ( Pingry NJ HOF), Davidson (Sumit, NJ HOF).. and more but you get the point. Do they just not play the cut throat game in HS and cut and poach kids to get better. IS that what you have to do to be elite?

Steps is a solid single A type of program (B in LI terms). Their girls program is elite. They don’t attract the best players because they don’t compete in the best tournaments and don’t give the kids the best exposure. They work around the “futures” programs that some towns like summit still have so that makes them more attractive to those towns’ players. That said, very few elite players from towns like summit play for steps these days. Years ago before all the big clubs like BBL were around, steps was a much more competitive program.

Thanks for response. "They don't play in the best tournaments". IS that a chicken and Egg thing? if they were better they would play at those tournaments? or are they not invited, or do they make a conscious decision not to go to the top tournaments. just wondering . thanks..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks for response. "They don't play in the best tournaments". IS that a chicken and Egg thing? if they were better they would play at those tournaments? or are they not invited, or do they make a conscious decision not to go to the top tournaments. just wondering . thanks..

That's the challenge a lot of these second tier clubs have. If they enter the big time tourneys and get smacked around nobody's happy, kids leave, and it's hard to attract new kids. But if they don't enter the big tourneys, it's hard to retain the best players. They will eventually leave for LE/BBL/TS to play with better with/against better kids in the top tourneys with the most visibility.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks for response. "They don't play in the best tournaments". IS that a chicken and Egg thing? if they were better they would play at those tournaments? or are they not invited, or do they make a conscious decision not to go to the top tournaments. just wondering . thanks..

That's the challenge a lot of these second tier clubs have. If they enter the big time tourneys and get smacked around nobody's happy, kids leave, and it's hard to attract new kids. But if they don't enter the big tourneys, it's hard to retain the best players. They will eventually leave for LE/BBL/TS to play with better with/against better kids in the top tourneys with the most visibility.

where are all the "it doesn't matter who you play for" dads?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks for response. "They don't play in the best tournaments". IS that a chicken and Egg thing? if they were better they would play at those tournaments? or are they not invited, or do they make a conscious decision not to go to the top tournaments. just wondering . thanks..

That's the challenge a lot of these second tier clubs have. If they enter the big time tourneys and get smacked around nobody's happy, kids leave, and it's hard to attract new kids. But if they don't enter the big tourneys, it's hard to retain the best players. They will eventually leave for LE/BBL/TS to play with better with/against better kids in the top tourneys with the most visibility.

where are all the "it doesn't matter who you play for" dads?

I’ve said this several times in the past on this forum: play for the best club team you can make assuming you are getting plenty of playing time. The better teams will eventually get more exposure to college coaches but that doesn’t help you if you are sitting on the bench.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks for response. "They don't play in the best tournaments". IS that a chicken and Egg thing? if they were better they would play at those tournaments? or are they not invited, or do they make a conscious decision not to go to the top tournaments. just wondering . thanks..

That's the challenge a lot of these second tier clubs have. If they enter the big time tourneys and get smacked around nobody's happy, kids leave, and it's hard to attract new kids. But if they don't enter the big tourneys, it's hard to retain the best players. They will eventually leave for LE/BBL/TS to play with better with/against better kids in the top tourneys with the most visibility.

where are all the "it doesn't matter who you play for" dads?

I’ve said this several times in the past on this forum: play for the best club team you can make assuming you are getting plenty of playing time. The better teams will eventually get more exposure to college coaches but that doesn’t help you if you are sitting on the bench.

I think that a lot of the "it doesn't matter where you play" comments are directed more at the higher level teams that play in better tournaments with comparable exposure, i.e. LE, TS, BBL, Riot, BS, etc.. I do not think that this extends to the next tier of teams. You cannot play on a a lower level team in B level NJ and PA tournaments and expect to get any exposure.

Any recruiting updates? Any other kids committing from NJ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any recruiting updates? Any other kids committing from NJ?

They will trickle in from now on. LE goalie committed to Lafayette and Tri State had an attack commit to Utah and a middle commit to Holy Cross late last week. There are still some really good players left from NJ. Fall Ball has started and that will get kids looked at who are still good but not rated as 5,4,3, stars on NLF or Inside Lacrosse

What happened to the Mad Dog 2025 team, they went 0-2-1 in the b-division. They have some good players on that team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the Mad Dog 2025 team, they went 0-2-1 in the b-division. They have some good players on that team.

They lost two games by two goals and Team Ten was pretty darn good. Missing two impact players. They are a top 40 team, not a top 20. Stop trolling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the Mad Dog 2025 team, they went 0-2-1 in the b-division. They have some good players on that team.

Its Fall Lacrosse! People are questioning team results! Classic!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the Mad Dog 2025 team, they went 0-2-1 in the b-division. They have some good players on that team.

Its Fall Lacrosse! People are questioning team results! Classic!

Just an opportunity to get a stick in your hand and play a little lacrosse, results are meaningless...only person that should care (and not about results) is in an uncommitted 2024

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any recruiting updates? Any other kids committing from NJ?

They will trickle in from now on. LE goalie committed to Lafayette and Tri State had an attack commit to Utah and a middle commit to Holy Cross late last week. There are still some really good players left from NJ. Fall Ball has started and that will get kids looked at who are still good but not rated as 5,4,3, stars on NLF or Inside Lacrosse

How many Delbarton Goalies are committed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any recruiting updates? Any other kids committing from NJ?

They will trickle in from now on. LE goalie committed to Lafayette and Tri State had an attack commit to Utah and a middle commit to Holy Cross late last week. There are still some really good players left from NJ. Fall Ball has started and that will get kids looked at who are still good but not rated as 5,4,3, stars on NLF or Inside Lacrosse

How many Delbarton Goalies are committed?

I believe 3 are committed.

More that can play on the field at one time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More that can play on the field at one time.

This is true, but as a goalie or a fogo, the opportunities are few and far between. Not a lot of slots for these kids, so I guess that you have to live with the opportunities that come along. They are going to face the same issue in college, so better to learn to deal with it now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More that can play on the field at one time.

This is true, but as a goalie or a fogo, the opportunities are few and far between. Not a lot of slots for these kids, so I guess that you have to live with the opportunities that come along. They are going to face the same issue in college, so better to learn to deal with it now.

The kid works his rear off to only start one year in High School and then never gets on the field in college. Yes, he is playing D1 but all that work for 1 year of playtime. Play for your town team, start for 2 to 3+ years, and still go to the D1 school. And there are girls at your school lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More that can play on the field at one time.

This is true, but as a goalie or a fogo, the opportunities are few and far between. Not a lot of slots for these kids, so I guess that you have to live with the opportunities that come along. They are going to face the same issue in college, so better to learn to deal with it now.

The kid works his rear off to only start one year in High School and then never gets on the field in college. Yes, he is playing D1 but all that work for 1 year of playtime. Play for your town team, start for 2 to 3+ years, and still go to the D1 school. And there are girls at your school lol

I guess the real question is, why do you care. This is a decision that the kid, and presumably his parents, have made. I assume that it does not affects your life in any way, so perhaps you should focus your energy elsewhere. I suspect that your reaction would be much different if another poster were commenting on the decisions made by you or your kid.

Is it just me or has there been much less conversation and vitriol comments since the 2023's moved on? I know there is still negativity but its really quite here lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it just me or has there been much less conversation and vitriol comments since the 2023's moved on? I know there is still negativity but its really quite here lol.

LE [Censored]! BBL is the best! Is that better?

Seems like all of the top programs have gotten off to a great start with 2024 recruiting. Is this the top NJ recruiting class in the last few years? Don't recall so many NJ kids going Ivy, ACC, Big10.

Not really Towermommy is the censor & wont let the posts on about last weekends tragedy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it just me or has there been much less conversation and vitriol comments since the 2023's moved on? I know there is still negativity but its really quite here lol.

LE [Censored]! BBL is the best! Is that better?

Seems like all of the top programs have gotten off to a great start with 2024 recruiting. Is this the top NJ recruiting class in the last few years? Don't recall so many NJ kids going Ivy, ACC, Big10.

Have you seen the BBL brackets they're playing in? 😂

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it just me or has there been much less conversation and vitriol comments since the 2023's moved on? I know there is still negativity but its really quite here lol.

Yeah, as if this forum isn't papered with an insane amount of BBL - LE - Mad Dog - Towermen 24, 25, & 26 nonsense...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it just me or has there been much less conversation and vitriol comments since the 2023's moved on? I know there is still negativity but its really quite here lol.

LE [Censored]! BBL is the best! Is that better?

Seems like all of the top programs have gotten off to a great start with 2024 recruiting. Is this the top NJ recruiting class in the last few years? Don't recall so many NJ kids going Ivy, ACC, Big10.

Have you seen the BBL brackets they're playing in? 😂

There goes the whole 2023 theory

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it just me or has there been much less conversation and vitriol comments since the 2023's moved on? I know there is still negativity but its really quite here lol.

LE [Censored]! BBL is the best! Is that better?

Seems like all of the top programs have gotten off to a great start with 2024 recruiting. Is this the top NJ recruiting class in the last few years? Don't recall so many NJ kids going Ivy, ACC, Big10.

I agree this 2024 class is doing really well. There there are still a lot of high end kids still out there. I know a bunch have been on visits this week after the NAL. This weekend with the NLF and the NLF uncommitted showcase will get the uncommitted a lot of looks, however those boys are gonna be really cold!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not really Towermommy is the censor & wont let the posts on about last weekends tragedy!

really

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not really Towermommy is the censor & wont let the posts on about last weekends tragedy!

Can you explain what happened? 24 dad here and I am assuming your talking about Towerman??? I am not going through Tourney Machine its such a pain

They lost to CoachC, hawks, 3D NE. Bad day but not shocking since they only had about 3 practices since July. Only lost one starter from the summer but were very unprepared to play those teams. Lots of fall sports athletes and should be fine by summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not really Towermommy is the censor & wont let the posts on about last weekends tragedy!

Can you explain what happened? 24 dad here and I am assuming your talking about Towerman??? I am not going through Tourney Machine its such a pain

Absolute spanking in all three games with losses be like fifteen to zero or such.Maybe all talent went to LE and BBL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not really Towermommy is the censor & wont let the posts on about last weekends tragedy!

Can you explain what happened? 24 dad here and I am assuming your talking about Towerman??? I am not going through Tourney Machine its such a pain

Absolute spanking in all three games with losses be like fifteen to zero or such.Maybe all talent went to LE and BBL

Actually only one starter left the team and that was to re-class. Fall means nothing. Judge them on their summer.

Anyone looking to simplify the recruiting process for you son -- try using Trello. It's free. I created a recruiting board and it was really helpful. I made 7 columns from left to right. The idea. Move each school up the line until you receive and offer. Here are the columns I used. Target Colleges. Grateful but not interested. Colleges in play. Visit planned. Next steps. Offer made. Commit.

I also used some pay for products to communicate with coaches - but this really helped simplify the process after Sept 1.

Please note. Emails from school unless very specific regarding your son would not go in the "colleges in play" column. Only input colleges that have sent a text or a very specific message indicating interest in your son. It will usually be accompanied by a phone number.

Good luck.

About the 2026 Towermen, looks like they went 3-0 at the NXT Philly Fall Invitational last weekend, 5-2 over Nationals, 11-2 over Freedom, 5-4 over Orange Crush...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

About the 2026 Towermen, looks like they went 3-0 at the NXT Philly Fall Invitational last weekend, 5-2 over Nationals, 11-2 over Freedom, 5-4 over Orange Crush...

Get that Freedom game In because you are probably Mid 40s as is. Good luck in the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

About the 2026 Towermen, looks like they went 3-0 at the NXT Philly Fall Invitational last weekend, 5-2 over Nationals, 11-2 over Freedom, 5-4 over Orange Crush...

Get that Freedom game In because you are probably Mid 40s as is. Good luck in the summer.

Don't even reply to this fool....LE, BBL and Tri State have all played Freedom.

Heard that Leading Edge is looking for new leadership. True? Seems like they’ve dropped down quite a bit of late. Are the Roys leaving?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that Leading Edge is looking for new leadership. True? Seems like they’ve dropped down quite a bit of late. Are the Roys leaving?

They have been doing it for a long time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that Leading Edge is looking for new leadership. True? Seems like they’ve dropped down quite a bit of late. Are the Roys leaving?

New leadership? Not true. LE Dropped down? Also not true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that Leading Edge is looking for new leadership. True? Seems like they’ve dropped down quite a bit of late. Are the Roys leaving?

New leadership? Not true. LE Dropped down? Also not true.

Agreed. The one thing I will say is that BBL and Tri State have caught up and are now equal to LE. And Riot has a more commits recently than usual but still not in the same class as the big 3. Blue Star and Patriot, 23's did okay, I am not sure about their 24 class.

BBL 2024 commits include Virginia, Maryland, and Princeton so far.
Tri-State 2024 commits include Cornell and Brown so far.
LE 2024 commits include Cornell, Harvard and Virginia so far.

It's clear that there's more than one path out of NJ to top D1 schools.

As the last poster said . . . LE's not slipping but BBL and TS have elevated their recruiting and that's a good thing for our boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL 2024 commits include Virginia, Maryland, and Princeton so far.
Tri-State 2024 commits include Cornell and Brown so far.
LE 2024 commits include Cornell, Harvard and Virginia so far.

It's clear that there's more than one path out of NJ to top D1 schools.

As the last poster said . . . LE's not slipping but BBL and TS have elevated their recruiting and that's a good thing for our boys.

The 2024 class has a lot of recruits throughout all club teams. LE 2025 is probably the strongest group of 2025. We will see how they do next year.

If slipping is Harvard Cornell Virginia Lehigh Richmond Villanova Lafayette Dartmouth BU. Sign me up, let me slip!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL 2024 commits include Virginia, Maryland, and Princeton so far.
Tri-State 2024 commits include Cornell and Brown so far.
LE 2024 commits include Cornell, Harvard and Virginia so far.

It's clear that there's more than one path out of NJ to top D1 schools.

As the last poster said . . . LE's not slipping but BBL and TS have elevated their recruiting and that's a good thing for our boys.

The 2024 class has a lot of recruits throughout all club teams. LE 2025 is probably the strongest group of 2025. We will see how they do next year.

If slipping is Harvard Cornell Virginia Lehigh Richmond Villanova Lafayette Dartmouth BU. Sign me up, let me slip!

We corrected them Director. LE did not slip, the others caught up......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL 2024 commits include Virginia, Maryland, and Princeton so far.
Tri-State 2024 commits include Cornell and Brown so far.
LE 2024 commits include Cornell, Harvard and Virginia so far.

It's clear that there's more than one path out of NJ to top D1 schools.

As the last poster said . . . LE's not slipping but BBL and TS have elevated their recruiting and that's a good thing for our boys.

The 2024 class has a lot of recruits throughout all club teams. LE 2025 is probably the strongest group of 2025. We will see how they do next year.

If slipping is Harvard Cornell Virginia Lehigh Richmond Villanova Lafayette Dartmouth BU. Sign me up, let me slip!

We corrected them Director. LE did not slip, the others caught up......

LE director wouldn’t waste a breath on an anonymous forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL 2024 commits include Virginia, Maryland, and Princeton so far.
Tri-State 2024 commits include Cornell and Brown so far.
LE 2024 commits include Cornell, Harvard and Virginia so far.

It's clear that there's more than one path out of NJ to top D1 schools.

As the last poster said . . . LE's not slipping but BBL and TS have elevated their recruiting and that's a good thing for our boys.

The 2024 class has a lot of recruits throughout all club teams. LE 2025 is probably the strongest group of 2025. We will see how they do next year.

If slipping is Harvard Cornell Virginia Lehigh Richmond Villanova Lafayette Dartmouth BU. Sign me up, let me slip!

We corrected them Director. LE did not slip, the others caught up......

LE director wouldn’t waste a breath on an anonymous forum.

Probably not, but keep in mind who controls this forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL 2024 commits include Virginia, Maryland, and Princeton so far.
Tri-State 2024 commits include Cornell and Brown so far.
LE 2024 commits include Cornell, Harvard and Virginia so far.

It's clear that there's more than one path out of NJ to top D1 schools.

As the last poster said . . . LE's not slipping but BBL and TS have elevated their recruiting and that's a good thing for our boys.

The 2024 class has a lot of recruits throughout all club teams. LE 2025 is probably the strongest group of 2025. We will see how they do next year.

If slipping is Harvard Cornell Virginia Lehigh Richmond Villanova Lafayette Dartmouth BU. Sign me up, let me slip!

I know this sounds strange but that is slipping, only because 3-4 years ago they used to have 20+ kids going to D1, more than half of those going top top tier. Now is seems like they are around half that overall. Used to be if you were on LE you were a lock for D1, now it’s only a third of the roster. I’m an LE parent and have to say it’s not what it was. But still probably the best club for recruiting in NJ. At least for now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL 2024 commits include Virginia, Maryland, and Princeton so far.
Tri-State 2024 commits include Cornell and Brown so far.
LE 2024 commits include Cornell, Harvard and Virginia so far.

It's clear that there's more than one path out of NJ to top D1 schools.

As the last poster said . . . LE's not slipping but BBL and TS have elevated their recruiting and that's a good thing for our boys.

The 2024 class has a lot of recruits throughout all club teams. LE 2025 is probably the strongest group of 2025. We will see how they do next year.

If slipping is Harvard Cornell Virginia Lehigh Richmond Villanova Lafayette Dartmouth BU. Sign me up, let me slip!

We corrected them Director. LE did not slip, the others caught up......

LE director wouldn’t waste a breath on an anonymous forum.

Probably not, but keep in mind who controls this forum.

fool lacrosse dads like us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL 2024 commits include Virginia, Maryland, and Princeton so far.
Tri-State 2024 commits include Cornell and Brown so far.
LE 2024 commits include Cornell, Harvard and Virginia so far.

It's clear that there's more than one path out of NJ to top D1 schools.

As the last poster said . . . LE's not slipping but BBL and TS have elevated their recruiting and that's a good thing for our boys.

The 2024 class has a lot of recruits throughout all club teams. LE 2025 is probably the strongest group of 2025. We will see how they do next year.

If slipping is Harvard Cornell Virginia Lehigh Richmond Villanova Lafayette Dartmouth BU. Sign me up, let me slip!

I know this sounds strange but that is slipping, only because 3-4 years ago they used to have 20+ kids going to D1, more than half of those going top top tier. Now is seems like they are around half that overall. Used to be if you were on LE you were a lock for D1, now it’s only a third of the roster. I’m an LE parent and have to say it’s not what it was. But still probably the best club for recruiting in NJ. At least for now.

This is mainly due to the talent getting spread out amongst clubs. Five years ago all the best NJ HS players played for LE. Up until recently BBL was youth focused and now is doing a lot better retaining HS players. Tristate is making a bit of come back from the early days when Tristate Black was the best HS club team to play for. Then you have the one off Towermen team which had a good amount of the 2026 talent. LE isn’t slipping, they just don’t get all of the best players anymore.

Was anyone down at IMLCA Event in Florida? How was it ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was anyone down at IMLCA Event in Florida? How was it ?

A handful of the top teams were missing some of their committed players. Other teams played their committed players to much and did not give enough time to the uncommitted players. The scouts had to find the kids they were looking for on each field because its not like the summer where they are just grading/scoring everyone as a whole. That is probably the only negative part of it.

What are the 2031 clubs in NJ and their level (AA, A, B, C)?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the 2031 clubs in NJ and their level (AA, A, B, C)?

Go to USCL.com to get a ballpark idea of how the NJ programs stack up across age groups. You can filter by state. Rankings aren't perfect, but give you a ballpark idea.

If you're looking for a AA club in 4th grade, BBL Central (Black) is likely the only NJ based team that consistently competes in the top tourneys at that age.

The other option is join a regional team that is part of a larger org that creates national teams to compete in AA. MadDog, True NJ, 3D Garden State, Team 91, and the regional BBL teams (shore, north, west) would all fall into this category. By joining these regional teams you have the opportunity to tryout for the national team for that org.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the 2031 clubs in NJ and their level (AA, A, B, C)?

Go to USCL.com to get a ballpark idea of how the NJ programs stack up across age groups. You can filter by state. Rankings aren't perfect, but give you a ballpark idea.

If you're looking for a AA club in 4th grade, BBL Central (Black) is likely the only NJ based team that consistently competes in the top tourneys at that age.

The other option is join a regional team that is part of a larger org that creates national teams to compete in AA. MadDog, True NJ, 3D Garden State, Team 91, and the regional BBL teams (shore, north, west) would all fall into this category. By joining these regional teams you have the opportunity to tryout for the national team for that org.

This is very helpful but I do not see 2031. Looks like ti stops at 2029

Yup, they don't keep rankings below 6th grade. That said, the 6th grade rankings will give you a feel for the programs at the younger ages.

You can also take a peak at Tourney Machine to see how teams fair in the top AA tourneys - NAL, Naptown, NLF, TriStar, etc.

Out of curiosity I took a peak at the top AA fall tourney - NAL in DE in Nov. The teams that participated are Madlax (DMV), Igloo (LI), Sweetlax Upstate (NY), Mad Dog National (National with regional teams in NJ), Legacy (LI), and BBL (NJ).

Where are you located and who does your son play for now?

4 NJ teams are entered for the World Series east qualifiers this year . . . BBL, 3D Garden State, Tri-State, and Riot.

Where's Jersey Express? They made it out of the qualifiers last year and didn't even enter a team this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 NJ teams are entered for the World Series east qualifiers this year . . . BBL, 3D Garden State, Tri-State, and Riot.

Where's Jersey Express? They made it out of the qualifiers last year and didn't even enter a team this year?

Is registration closed? Is there still time for the others?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yup, they don't keep rankings below 6th grade. That said, the 6th grade rankings will give you a feel for the programs at the younger ages.

You can also take a peak at Tourney Machine to see how teams fair in the top AA tourneys - NAL, Naptown, NLF, TriStar, etc.

Out of curiosity I took a peak at the top AA fall tourney - NAL in DE in Nov. The teams that participated are Madlax (DMV), Igloo (LI), Sweetlax Upstate (NY), Mad Dog National (National with regional teams in NJ), Legacy (LI), and BBL (NJ).

Where are you located and who does your son play for now?

I was checking for my cousin's kid is not on a current team from Rahway, NJ. I am on LI

Any more recruiting updates in NJ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any more recruiting updates in NJ?

why don't you tell us all the ones you want us to know about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any more recruiting updates in NJ?

why don't you tell us all the ones you want us to know about?

So true, as if this information is not one click away on inside lacrosse

Jersey Express has singed up and will be attending.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jersey Express has singed up and will be attending.

NJ will be well represented in the qualifiers with 5 teams going. I hope they all do well. Likely only 5 teams advancing from this region to the championship in NC. Gonna be a tough bracket with the top Philly teams (Freedom, Dukes) and True MD who could be good if they grab kids from the other DMV clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jersey Express has singed up and will be attending.

NJ will be well represented in the qualifiers with 5 teams going. I hope they all do well. Likely only 5 teams advancing from this region to the championship in NC. Gonna be a tough bracket with the top Philly teams (Freedom, Dukes) and True MD who could be good if they grab kids from the other DMV clubs.

Not following.What is being discussed?

NJ will be well represented in the qualifiers with 5 teams going. I hope they all do well. Likely only 5 teams advancing from this region to the championship in NC. Gonna be a tough bracket with the top Philly teams (Freedom, Dukes) and True MD who could be good if they grab kids from the other DMV clubs.[/quote]

Not following.What is being discussed?[/quote]

This is in regards to the youth lacrosse World Series. Only age-based youth tourney so it gives the NJ teams a fighting chance against the top programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJ will be well represented in the qualifiers with 5 teams going. I hope they all do well. Likely only 5 teams advancing from this region to the championship in NC. Gonna be a tough bracket with the top Philly teams (Freedom, Dukes) and True MD who could be good if they grab kids from the other DMV clubs.

Not following.What is being discussed?[/quote]

This is in regards to the youth lacrosse World Series. Only age-based youth tourney so it gives the NJ teams a fighting chance against the top programs.[/quote]
Let's not pretend that there are no reclassed kids in New Jersey.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJ will be well represented in the qualifiers with 5 teams going. I hope they all do well. Likely only 5 teams advancing from this region to the championship in NC. Gonna be a tough bracket with the top Philly teams (Freedom, Dukes) and True MD who could be good if they grab kids from the other DMV clubs.

Not following.What is being discussed?

This is in regards to the youth lacrosse World Series. Only age-based youth tourney so it gives the NJ teams a fighting chance against the top programs.[/quote]
Let's not pretend that there are no reclassed kids in New Jersey.[/quote]

There certainly are reclasses . . . but not to the extent you see in CT and DMV. DMV teams don't even enter the tourney because they don't have enough on-age kids to form a team. Historically LI and NJ have done well in the World Series because they are less reliant on holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NJ will be well represented in the qualifiers with 5 teams going. I hope they all do well. Likely only 5 teams advancing from this region to the championship in NC. Gonna be a tough bracket with the top Philly teams (Freedom, Dukes) and True MD who could be good if they grab kids from the other DMV clubs.

Not following.What is being discussed?

This is in regards to the youth lacrosse World Series. Only age-based youth tourney so it gives the NJ teams a fighting chance against the top programs.

Let's not pretend that there are no reclassed kids in New Jersey.[/quote]

There certainly are reclasses . . . but not to the extent you see in CT and DMV. DMV teams don't even enter the tourney because they don't have enough on-age kids to form a team. Historically LI and NJ have done well in the World Series because they are less reliant on holdbacks.[/quote]

World Series aside, just look at the top 2024 D1 commits from NJ, mostly reclasses

World Series aside, just look at the top 2024 D1 commits from NJ, mostly reclasses[/quote]

I'm not sure that's true. If you include Lawrenceville in the conversation, then yes there are a ton of older kids - many of them PGs from out of state. Schools with PG programs are a different story.

Taking a quick look at the non-Lawrenceville NJ commits on Inside Lacrosse it looks like most of them are on-age . . . but many don't put their birthdates so hard to get the full picture.

Half the D1 kids in NJ come from public schools so have to think most of those kids are not DMV-style holdbacks where they repeated the 8th grade somewhere - difficult to do that in public school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series aside, just look at the top 2024 D1 commits from NJ, mostly reclasses

I'm not sure that's true. If you include Lawrenceville in the conversation, then yes there are a ton of older kids - many of them PGs from out of state. Schools with PG programs are a different story.

Taking a quick look at the non-Lawrenceville NJ commits on Inside Lacrosse it looks like most of them are on-age . . . but many don't put their birthdates so hard to get the full picture.

Half the D1 kids in NJ come from public schools so have to think most of those kids are not DMV-style holdbacks where they repeated the 8th grade somewhere - difficult to do that in public school.[/quote]

Many of the public school kids reclassed to 2024 when they didn't get the offers that they wanted as 2023s, they will finish high school with their peers and then do a PG year. Others have already transferred to prep schools. So yes, not holdbacks like MD, they are late reclasses.

I wonder why there is not a New Jersey cup for youth and high school?

I think it would be a good thing to bring all NJ players to same tournament and battle it out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder why there is not a New Jersey cup for youth and high school?

I think it would be a good thing to bring all NJ players to same tournament and battle it out.

No offense, but you must be new to the forum...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder why there is not a New Jersey cup for youth and high school?

I think it would be a good thing to bring all NJ players to same tournament and battle it out.

No offense, but you must be new to the forum...

I don't see this happening in HS, but I don't think it's a fool idea for the youth programs in the state, especially programs not named Leading Edge and BBL.

They do this in other areas of the country - they have the HOCO spring league in MD for all of the club teams to battle it out.

Why wouldn't Patriot, Steps, Riot, Southshore, 2 Knights, NJLC, Jersey Express, etc want to do a Sunday afternoon spring league for club teams based in NJ?

It's an opportunity for the boys to spend more time with their club teams/coaches in the spring . . . and it's an opportunity for the clubs to make more money which is why it will happen eventually..

The problem is that once this happens, fewer and fewer elite kids will play for their rec teams and it will eventually turn into the soccer model - elite kids play on elite club teams only and rec is only kids that don't play club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder why there is not a New Jersey cup for youth and high school?

I think it would be a good thing to bring all NJ players to same tournament and battle it out.

No offense, but you must be new to the forum...

I don't see this happening in HS, but I don't think it's a fool idea for the youth programs in the state, especially programs not named Leading Edge and BBL.

They do this in other areas of the country - they have the HOCO spring league in MD for all of the club teams to battle it out.

Why wouldn't Patriot, Steps, Riot, Southshore, 2 Knights, NJLC, Jersey Express, etc want to do a Sunday afternoon spring league for club teams based in NJ?

It's an opportunity for the boys to spend more time with their club teams/coaches in the spring . . . and it's an opportunity for the clubs to make more money which is why it will happen eventually..

The problem is that once this happens, fewer and fewer elite kids will play for their rec teams and it will eventually turn into the soccer model - elite kids play on elite club teams only and rec is only kids that don't play club.

Notwithstanding the appetite of the clubs to actually set this up, many of the club coaches are coaching high school during the spring, while others are college players, so staffing may be an issue.

Notwithstanding the appetite of the clubs to actually set this up, many of the club coaches are coaching high school during the spring, while others are college players, so staffing may be an issue.[/quote]

Fair point. Hawks, Crabs, Madlax, Next Level, FCA, etc have all figured out the model though. Not sure if they use fewer HS coaches and college players. Maybe they use more daddy coaches? Either way, there's too much money for the clubs to not explore this. HS and colleges are off on Sundays typically so it's not impossible if there's enough money to make it worthwhile.

Elite players in Summit, Westfield, Ridgewood, etc get better playing rec because they are playing with other elite players and typically have some good coaches.

Elite players not in those blue blood lax towns do not get better playing rec. They have fun with their buddies in rec, but the better coaching, better teammates, and better comp in club is where development accelerates.

Soccer went to this model a long time ago. You're seeing it in baseball now - elite kids play on a club team in the spring instead of rec. It will happen in lax before long.

LE get all of the TM?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LE get all of the TM?

Not even close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder why there is not a New Jersey cup for youth and high school?

I think it would be a good thing to bring all NJ players to same tournament and battle it out.

No offense, but you must be new to the forum...

I don't see this happening in HS, but I don't think it's a fool idea for the youth programs in the state, especially programs not named Leading Edge and BBL.

They do this in other areas of the country - they have the HOCO spring league in MD for all of the club teams to battle it out.

Why wouldn't Patriot, Steps, Riot, Southshore, 2 Knights, NJLC, Jersey Express, etc want to do a Sunday afternoon spring league for club teams based in NJ?

It's an opportunity for the boys to spend more time with their club teams/coaches in the spring . . . and it's an opportunity for the clubs to make more money which is why it will happen eventually..

The problem is that once this happens, fewer and fewer elite kids will play for their rec teams and it will eventually turn into the soccer model - elite kids play on elite club teams only and rec is only kids that don't play club.

Notwithstanding the appetite of the clubs to actually set this up, many of the club coaches are coaching high school during the spring, while others are college players, so staffing may be an issue.

i remember, i believe it was summer 2020 - patriot started a weekly "club" league. It was Patriot, Riot, STEPS and Thunder. was a fun thing to coach in.

i remember, i believe it was summer 2020 - patriot started a weekly "club" league. It was Patriot, Riot, STEPS and Thunder. was a fun thing to coach in.[/quote]

That sounds like fun. How did they avoid tourney conflicts - were the games during the week? Where did they play and what age groups?

Thanks for sharing. This is my first time hearing about that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i remember, i believe it was summer 2020 - patriot started a weekly "club" league. It was Patriot, Riot, STEPS and Thunder. was a fun thing to coach in.

That sounds like fun. How did they avoid tourney conflicts - were the games during the week? Where did they play and what age groups?

Thanks for sharing. This is my first time hearing about that.[/quote]

First off, that was summer, and keep in mind that summer 2020 lacrosse was very limited due to some states not allowing travel for youth sports, there were very few out-of-state options, so many teams played in NJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i remember, i believe it was summer 2020 - patriot started a weekly "club" league. It was Patriot, Riot, STEPS and Thunder. was a fun thing to coach in.

That sounds like fun. How did they avoid tourney conflicts - were the games during the week? Where did they play and what age groups?

Thanks for sharing. This is my first time hearing about that.[/quote]

yes, they were i believe tuesday nights at central park of morristown. it was only high school years.

NASG or All-American? Any thoughts?

NASG tryout is being run by LE coaches so don’t expect a whole lot of non LE players to make the teams. I heard that AA tryouts will have reps from various club teams so maybe that will be more of an actual all star team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NASG or All-American? Any thoughts?

Nike is a national brand and the other is a boomer brand maybe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NASG tryout is being run by LE coaches so don’t expect a whole lot of non LE players to make the teams. I heard that AA tryouts will have reps from various club teams so maybe that will be more of an actual all star team.

No matter who is involved, it is always ends up that the clubs involved put their own kids on the teams, and if you rule out the LE kids that are only allowed to play for NASG, then the AA team is not really a true NJ all-star team. When LE left AA, the coaches that took over AA excluded a lot of top players (some of whom are now top tier D1 commits) due to politics, and placed several less qualified kids on the team.

NASG is Nike.
All-American was Under Armour but is now New Balance

BBL has a lot of input who makes the NJ AA team each year. They have recruited a lot of their players for their BBL Black team from those AA tryouts. Correct that LE players tryout for NASG and BBL only tryout for AA. Because LE coaches play a part in the NASG, and BBL Coaches play a part in the (NJ) AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL has a lot of input who makes the NJ AA team each year. They have recruited a lot of their players for their BBL Black team from those AA tryouts. Correct that LE players tryout for NASG and BBL only tryout for AA. Because LE coaches play a part in the NASG, and BBL Coaches play a part in the (NJ) AA.

Unfortunately, the animosity between the NJ clubs spills over into the selections for both teams. This has always been the case, and nothing will change so long as the clubs have a controlling interest. Many parents have fallen prey to the tryout fee only to find out later that there was absolutely no chance that their kid was going to make the team. Many top layer from NJ simply skip these events unless they are associated with the clubs running the teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NASG is Nike.
All-American was Under Armour but is now New Balance

True but last year lots of BBL players played NASG. All the NLF best is at NASG. College coaches for 2024 at NASG. Boomer shoes co not so much.NASG crept in and took the showcase world. How can you compete with Nike?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NASG is Nike.
All-American was Under Armour but is now New Balance

True but last year lots of BBL players played NASG. All the NLF best is at NASG. College coaches for 2024 at NASG. Boomer shoes co not so much.NASG crept in and took the showcase world. How can you compete with Nike?

No argument that Nike is tough to compete with, but unless I am missing something, outside of shoes, what is the draw for Nike in the lacrosse market. I realize that it is the fastest growing sport, but they really have no connection to the sport. New Balance/Warrior is a much bigger player with equipment and cleats. Does Nike own one of the equipment companies?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NASG is Nike.
All-American was Under Armour but is now New Balance

True but last year lots of BBL players played NASG. All the NLF best is at NASG. College coaches for 2024 at NASG. Boomer shoes co not so much.NASG crept in and took the showcase world. How can you compete with Nike?

No argument that Nike is tough to compete with, but unless I am missing something, outside of shoes, what is the draw for Nike in the lacrosse market. I realize that it is the fastest growing sport, but they really have no connection to the sport. New Balance/Warrior is a much bigger player with equipment and cleats. Does Nike own one of the equipment companies?

Yes. STX.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NASG is Nike.
All-American was Under Armour but is now New Balance

True but last year lots of BBL players played NASG. All the NLF best is at NASG. College coaches for 2024 at NASG. Boomer shoes co not so much.NASG crept in and took the showcase world. How can you compete with Nike?

No argument that Nike is tough to compete with, but unless I am missing something, outside of shoes, what is the draw for Nike in the lacrosse market. I realize that it is the fastest growing sport, but they really have no connection to the sport. New Balance/Warrior is a much bigger player with equipment and cleats. Does Nike own one of the equipment companies?

Yes. STX.

Not sure that is correct. I believe that STX may have produced some Nike branded equipment, but STX is owned by another company.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure that is correct. I believe that STX may have produced some Nike branded equipment, but STX is owned by another company.

STX is an independent company specializing in lacrosse, field hockey and ice hockey. They used to do golf as well but abandoned that a few years ago.

Then I guess that Nike simply wants its name associated with the sport despite having no real interest. Obviously, it is smart to be invested in such a popular sport, but to the extent an earlier poster believes that there is some type of cache to Nike in regards to lacrosse, and that NB is just a boomer brand, I would argue otherwise. Also, what that poster poster falsely insinuates is that, regardless of the sponsorship, the fact that NLF is connected with NASG somehow gives one kid an advantage over the other in regards to recruiting. Having gone through the process with a non-NLF club has made it very clear that your kid can get equal, if not more, exposure playing the larger national tournaments. The bottom line is, don't simply fall for the argument that Nike is at NLF, the NLF is the best, etc, I would rather that my kid were playing NAL, Crabfeast, Naptown, etc., how many times is a college coach going to attend NLF events during the same summer, you are more likely to get repeated exposure with the same coach playing in a wide variety of events. Either way, being "found" at a tournament is the exception, not the rule (more likely at the D3 level), find a prospect day or showcase that is attended by college programs that are comparable with your kids skill level and commitment. I suspect that the 2025 parents are anxiously awaiting the summer club tournaments, and the yet-to-be recruited 2024 parents are stressing out a bit, for the 2024 parents, have patience, if it is meant to be, it will happen, just keep your expectations realistic. Best of luck to those of you going through the recruiting process for the first time, I assure you that you will come out in the end with a much clearer perspective.

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

Details?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

What is Towerman?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

What is Towerman?

Team with a rank of 49. From above, parents apparently like to jersey duke it out on fathers day

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

What is Towerman?

A group that is soon called LE

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

What is Towerman?

A group that is soon called LE

Towermen NJ express argument during quarter finals. Couple of hot head blow hards but nothing physical. Towermen lost in finals to Laxachusetts by 6 but beat a very good 2way team. No dog in this fight but people have been predicting towermen would disband for years and they seem to be able to keep it going pretty well.

Hockey dads running a lax team hoping for the best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

What is Towerman?

A group that is soon called LE

Towermen NJ express argument during quarter finals. Couple of hot head blow hards but nothing physical. Towermen lost in finals to Laxachusetts by 6 but beat a very good 2way team. No dog in this fight but people have been predicting towermen would disband for years and they seem to be able to keep it going pretty well.

I hope Towermen survives. Leading Edge is screwing up north Jersey lacrosse. Destroying a team on the eve of their recruiting year. How many Towermen helmets at LE tryout? Over 5?

Tri-State got destroyed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tri-State got destroyed

What year for Tri State? My son is trying out for the 26 team. He wants an AA Nj team that goes to big events but where he will get playing time. He is also trying out for BBL and LE but their defense is pretty set so tri state might be the best fit. But trying them all.

The 26 team. They aren’t doing well. Took kids who wrote in sonprob will make changes. But if your son doesn’t go to SHP I wouldn’t go there. LE snd BBL (black) prob already know who they want. Unless your son is top of the top hard to make.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 26 team. They aren’t doing well. Took kids who wrote in sonprob will make changes. But if your son doesn’t go to SHP I wouldn’t go there. LE snd BBL (black) prob already know who they want. Unless your son is top of the top hard to make.

Towermen, BBL, LE go to the AA tournaments that colleges go to. If you can’t make them, Tristate is a good back up because tri state at least goes to
AA events where college coaches are. If you are good college coaches will find you at these AA events. The A schedule clubs don’t go to these big recruiting tournaments events. You are being recruited not your team. Hope he makes LE. You don’t want to be on the second Attack or D line so choose a team where he will be seen when the college coaches are on the field. Good luck!

Great advice.
Get on a team that competes at a high level, but your son is on the field as much as possible. You don't have to win every game, you don't even have to be a 500 squad, but you need to compete at a high level to be seen, if that is your goal
Club rankings and win/loss don't matter, to great extent....and I don't know that most parents care. At the youth level its playing with buddies which is paramount, its fun.... at the high school level it can be that, but if the goal is play in college the above poster is spot on. and yes, good luck as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

What is Towerman?

A group that is soon called LE

Towermen NJ express argument during quarter finals. Couple of hot head blow hards but nothing physical. Towermen lost in finals to Laxachusetts by 6 but beat a very good 2way team. No dog in this fight but people have been predicting towermen would disband for years and they seem to be able to keep it going pretty well.

I hope Towermen survives. Leading Edge is screwing up north Jersey lacrosse. Destroying a team on the eve of their recruiting year. How many Towermen helmets at LE tryout? Over 5?

If the kids know what is right for them they would leave to bbl or LE before their recruiting summer anyways. College coaches recruit kids from programs with history. If you are outside the top 5/6 kids on TMen (those kids are getting recruited regardless) good luck getting on coaches radars. You will end up relying on what players at lesser clubs rely on, and it’s the expensive prospect days that are a dime a dozen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

What is Towerman?

A group that is soon called LE

Towermen NJ express argument during quarter finals. Couple of hot head blow hards but nothing physical. Towermen lost in finals to Laxachusetts by 6 but beat a very good 2way team. No dog in this fight but people have been predicting towermen would disband for years and they seem to be able to keep it going pretty well.

I hope Towermen survives. Leading Edge is screwing up north Jersey lacrosse. Destroying a team on the eve of their recruiting year. How many Towermen helmets at LE tryout? Over 5?

If the kids know what is right for them they would leave to bbl or LE before their recruiting summer anyways. College coaches recruit kids from programs with history. If you are outside the top 5/6 kids on TMen (those kids are getting recruited regardless) good luck getting on coaches radars. You will end up relying on what players at lesser clubs rely on, and it’s the expensive prospect days that are a dime a dozen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

What is Towerman?

A group that is soon called LE

Towermen NJ express argument during quarter finals. Couple of hot head blow hards but nothing physical. Towermen lost in finals to Laxachusetts by 6 but beat a very good 2way team. No dog in this fight but people have been predicting towermen would disband for years and they seem to be able to keep it going pretty well.

I hope Towermen survives. Leading Edge is screwing up north Jersey lacrosse. Destroying a team on the eve of their recruiting year. How many Towermen helmets at LE tryout? Over 5?

If the kids know what is right for them they would leave to bbl or LE before their recruiting summer anyways. College coaches recruit kids from programs with history. If you are outside the top 5/6 kids on TMen (those kids are getting recruited regardless) good luck getting on coaches radars. You will end up relying on what players at lesser clubs rely on, and it’s the expensive prospect days that are a dime a dozen.

Bbl and LE kids on the he second lines have the same issue as back end Towermen. I would leave bbl, LE and Towermen if I am not on the field enough. You can get recruited at Blue Star or Tristate on the first line. Those clubs go to AA tournaments as well. Bench gets recruited but the same way all benches do at prospect days or D3 the next summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

What is Towerman?

A group that is soon called LE

Towermen NJ express argument during quarter finals. Couple of hot head blow hards but nothing physical. Towermen lost in finals to Laxachusetts by 6 but beat a very good 2way team. No dog in this fight but people have been predicting towermen would disband for years and they seem to be able to keep it going pretty well.

I hope Towermen survives. Leading Edge is screwing up north Jersey lacrosse. Destroying a team on the eve of their recruiting year. How many Towermen helmets at LE tryout? Over 5?

If the kids know what is right for them they would leave to bbl or LE before their recruiting summer anyways. College coaches recruit kids from programs with history. If you are outside the top 5/6 kids on TMen (those kids are getting recruited regardless) good luck getting on coaches radars. You will end up relying on what players at lesser clubs rely on, and it’s the expensive prospect days that are a dime a dozen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

What is Towerman?

A group that is soon called LE

Towermen NJ express argument during quarter finals. Couple of hot head blow hards but nothing physical. Towermen lost in finals to Laxachusetts by 6 but beat a very good 2way team. No dog in this fight but people have been predicting towermen would disband for years and they seem to be able to keep it going pretty well.

I hope Towermen survives. Leading Edge is screwing up north Jersey lacrosse. Destroying a team on the eve of their recruiting year. How many Towermen helmets at LE tryout? Over 5?

If the kids know what is right for them they would leave to bbl or LE before their recruiting summer anyways. College coaches recruit kids from programs with history. If you are outside the top 5/6 kids on TMen (those kids are getting recruited regardless) good luck getting on coaches radars. You will end up relying on what players at lesser clubs rely on, and it’s the expensive prospect days that are a dime a dozen.

Bbl and LE kids on the he second lines have the same issue as back end Towermen. I would leave bbl, LE and Towermen if I am not on the field enough. You can get recruited at Blue Star or Tristate on the first line. Those clubs go to AA tournaments as well. Bench gets recruited but the same way all benches do at prospect days or D3 the next summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

What is Towerman?

A group that is soon called LE

Towermen NJ express argument during quarter finals. Couple of hot head blow hards but nothing physical. Towermen lost in finals to Laxachusetts by 6 but beat a very good 2way team. No dog in this fight but people have been predicting towermen would disband for years and they seem to be able to keep it going pretty well.

I hope Towermen survives. Leading Edge is screwing up north Jersey lacrosse. Destroying a team on the eve of their recruiting year. How many Towermen helmets at LE tryout? Over 5?

If the kids know what is right for them they would leave to bbl or LE before their recruiting summer anyways. College coaches recruit kids from programs with history. If you are outside the top 5/6 kids on TMen (those kids are getting recruited regardless) good luck getting on coaches radars. You will end up relying on what players at lesser clubs rely on, and it’s the expensive prospect days that are a dime a dozen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

What is Towerman?

A group that is soon called LE

Towermen NJ express argument during quarter finals. Couple of hot head blow hards but nothing physical. Towermen lost in finals to Laxachusetts by 6 but beat a very good 2way team. No dog in this fight but people have been predicting towermen would disband for years and they seem to be able to keep it going pretty well.

I hope Towermen survives. Leading Edge is screwing up north Jersey lacrosse. Destroying a team on the eve of their recruiting year. How many Towermen helmets at LE tryout? Over 5?

If the kids know what is right for them they would leave to bbl or LE before their recruiting summer anyways. College coaches recruit kids from programs with history. If you are outside the top 5/6 kids on TMen (those kids are getting recruited regardless) good luck getting on coaches radars. You will end up relying on what players at lesser clubs rely on, and it’s the expensive prospect days that are a dime a dozen.

Bbl and LE kids on the he second lines have the same issue as back end Towermen. I would leave bbl, LE and Towermen if I am not on the field enough. You can get recruited at Blue Star or Tristate on the first line. Those clubs go to AA tournaments as well. Bench gets recruited but the same way all benches do at prospect days or D3 the next summer.

I am not the same poster but this isn’t true. I am pretty sure LE 2024 team has 22+ commits, most being d1. I don’t know how many other clubs are seeing that same result. I am sure some of it has to do with the clubs history and college relationships.

To say that being on the second line at LE or BBL is the same as the back end of other clubs shows you are probably new to this.

I can only speak to the BBL Black 2024 team. Basically every kid has been recruited or will be recruited by August first when the NESCAC schools can start making offers. If you can make the team - grab the spot quickly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can only speak to the BBL Black 2024 team. Basically every kid has been recruited or will be recruited by August first when the NESCAC schools can start making offers. If you can make the team - grab the spot quickly.

BBL 2025 is the year. September 1 to December will show NJ players that BBL can train and get players recruited. The 2024 has a lot of Riot commits. 2025 is all BBL-developed players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can only speak to the BBL Black 2024 team. Basically every kid has been recruited or will be recruited by August first when the NESCAC schools can start making offers. If you can make the team - grab the spot quickly.

BBL 2025 is the year. September 1 to December will show NJ players that BBL can train and get players recruited. The 2024 has a lot of Riot commits. 2025 is all BBL-developed players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

What is Towerman?

A group that is soon called LE

Towermen NJ express argument during quarter finals. Couple of hot head blow hards but nothing physical. Towermen lost in finals to Laxachusetts by 6 but beat a very good 2way team. No dog in this fight but people have been predicting towermen would disband for years and they seem to be able to keep it going pretty well.

I hope Towermen survives. Leading Edge is screwing up north Jersey lacrosse. Destroying a team on the eve of their recruiting year. How many Towermen helmets at LE tryout? Over 5?

If the kids know what is right for them they would leave to bbl or LE before their recruiting summer anyways. College coaches recruit kids from programs with history. If you are outside the top 5/6 kids on TMen (those kids are getting recruited regardless) good luck getting on coaches radars. You will end up relying on what players at lesser clubs rely on, and it’s the expensive prospect days that are a dime a dozen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Great 8 tourney?

We were at Prime Time tournament and it was great competition. I did hear today that NJ Express and Towermen parents almost had a fight on the sideline during the finals? Let''s keep it classy Jersey.

What is Towerman?

A group that is soon called LE

Towermen NJ express argument during quarter finals. Couple of hot head blow hards but nothing physical. Towermen lost in finals to Laxachusetts by 6 but beat a very good 2way team. No dog in this fight but people have been predicting towermen would disband for years and they seem to be able to keep it going pretty well.

I hope Towermen survives. Leading Edge is screwing up north Jersey lacrosse. Destroying a team on the eve of their recruiting year. How many Towermen helmets at LE tryout? Over 5?

If the kids know what is right for them they would leave to bbl or LE before their recruiting summer anyways. College coaches recruit kids from programs with history. If you are outside the top 5/6 kids on TMen (those kids are getting recruited regardless) good luck getting on coaches radars. You will end up relying on what players at lesser clubs rely on, and it’s the expensive prospect days that are a dime a dozen.

Bbl and LE kids on the he second lines have the same issue as back end Towermen. I would leave bbl, LE and Towermen if I am not on the field enough. You can get recruited at Blue Star or Tristate on the first line. Those clubs go to AA tournaments as well. Bench gets recruited but the same way all benches do at prospect days or D3 the next summer.

I am not the same poster but this isn’t true. I am pretty sure LE 2024 team has 22+ commits, most being d1. I don’t know how many other clubs are seeing that same result. I am sure some of it has to do with the clubs history and college relationships.

To say that being on the second line at LE or BBL is the same as the back end of other clubs shows you are probably new to this.[/quote

Go look at Blue Star and Tri State commits.2024 And Look at LE 2024 and BBL/Riot 2024 commits. All on the websites.
The difference in 2024 is LE and BBL/Riot have 3 amazing school recruits and Blue Star and Trisate have 1 amazing school recruit. After that, we don't have a huge difference in schools recruiting from these teams. They are all VERY GOOD schools but they are similar. Towermen players will be fine in 2026.

New to all of this. Is it common for clubs to charge a fee to promote your kid on their IG page etc?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New to all of this. Is it common for clubs to charge a fee to promote your kid on their IG page etc?

I’ve never heard of that. They usually just promote the best kids at no additional cost because it makes the club look good.

What club do u play for and what was the fee?

I’d rather not say until I find out more info, but I’ve heard upwards for $250.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’d rather not say until I find out more info, but I’ve heard upwards for $250.

I’ve never heard of this. Run fast from this club

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’d rather not say until I find out more info, but I’ve heard upwards for $250.

I’ve never heard of this. Run fast from this club

Seriously.... you already pay the club fee which I'm guessing is well north of $2K. Are they offering some sort of high quality video editing and putting together a produced highlight package, or are they throwing up a picture of your kid with "UNCOMMITTED!" on it?

Look at nationalasg(Instagram) Nj team. Looks like Leading Edge added FO and attack key players from BBL 26 and LSM and Midfielder top players from Towermen 26. What do you think?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at nationalasg(Instagram) Nj team. Looks like Leading Edge added FO and attack key players from BBL 26 and LSM and Midfielder top players from Towermen 26. What do you think?

Looks like a really good team. Way better than the NB team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at nationalasg(Instagram) Nj team. Looks like Leading Edge added FO and attack key players from BBL 26 and LSM and Midfielder top players from Towermen 26. What do you think?

Looks like a really good team. Way better than the NB team.

LOL. says the over the LEdge parent. Can't you just say a good team or it is our recruiting event.
BBL can't control NB team but would love to just add the top 2 Towermen players and your LE lefty attackman and the RFH Mad Dog kid to their team at NB. NB won't let them do it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at nationalasg(Instagram) Nj team. Looks like Leading Edge added FO and attack key players from BBL 26 and LSM and Midfielder top players from Towermen 26. What do you think?

Looks like a really good team. Way better than the NB team.

LOL. says the over the LEdge parent. Can't you just say a good team or it is our recruiting event.
BBL can't control NB team but would love to just add the top 2 Towermen players and your LE lefty attackman and the RFH Mad Dog kid to their team at NB. NB won't let them do it.

You can all rest assured that, in a few short years, you will all come to realize that none of this matters.. enjoy it while you can..I only wish that somebody had given me the same advice so that I didn't waste so much time engaging in these unwinnable arguments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at nationalasg(Instagram) Nj team. Looks like Leading Edge added FO and attack key players from BBL 26 and LSM and Midfielder top players from Towermen 26. What do you think?

Looks like a really good team. Way better than the NB team.

LOL. says the over the LEdge parent. Can't you just say a good team or it is our recruiting event.
BBL can't control NB team but would love to just add the top 2 Towermen players and your LE lefty attackman and the RFH Mad Dog kid to their team at NB. NB won't let them do it.

You can all rest assured that, in a few short years, you will all come to realize that none of this matters.. enjoy it while you can..I only wish that somebody had given me the same advice so that I didn't waste so much time engaging in these unwinnable arguments

I think Pennsylvania nationalasg answered the question today. PA 26 is a real tryout because BIG 4HHH is not the whole team beat NJLeading Edge team today. Let's see how they do day 2???

2026 Tristate team is not good. They need to clean house in order to compete at the higher levels. They lost a bunch of guys one year when they took forever to get offers out. And then this year took anyone mew.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2026 Tristate team is not good. They need to clean house in order to compete at the higher levels. They lost a bunch of guys one year when they took forever to get offers out. And then this year took anyone mew.

Recycling this? Someone is worried? Weird recycling this post? 2026 tryout for all teams because it seems a little weird between bbl LE and Towermen. Sometimes leading edge just adds people. Look at the roster they have for Nike all star game. Don’t need tryouts for LE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2026 Tristate team is not good. They need to clean house in order to compete at the higher levels. They lost a bunch of guys one year when they took forever to get offers out. And then this year took anyone mew.

I would not worry too much about which AA team LE, BBL, Towermen or Tri-State team you are on because the goal is to be seen by college coaches at AA tournaments next summer. Tri State is going to IMCLA this December. The player gets recruited and not the team.

Is it better to be 2nd line on a higher ranked team or be on 1st line on a lower-ranked team at an AA tournament.? Is it better to be on the field more on a lower ranked team or is it to better to be on the highest-ranked team coming off the bench? I can't answer that but you obviously want to stick out when the coaches are on the field.

Noticed a NJ kid on the PA team. A BBL kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at nationalasg(Instagram) Nj team. Looks like Leading Edge added FO and attack key players from BBL 26 and LSM and Midfielder top players from Towermen 26. What do you think?

Looks like a really good team. Way better than the NB team.

LOL. says the over the LEdge parent. Can't you just say a good team or it is our recruiting event.
BBL can't control NB team but would love to just add the top 2 Towermen players and your LE lefty attackman and the RFH Mad Dog kid to their team at NB. NB won't let them do it.

You can all rest assured that, in a few short years, you will all come to realize that none of this matters.. enjoy it while you can..I only wish that somebody had given me the same advice so that I didn't waste so much time engaging in these unwinnable arguments

I think Pennsylvania nationalasg answered the question today. PA 26 is a real tryout because BIG 4HHH is not the whole team beat NJLeading Edge team today. Let's see how they do day 2???

Team PA did not have try outs. They moved it to invite only. The ex-Tiger's coach set up the team using the Tiger kids that still talk to him and then added kids from NY, NJ, TN and Ohio to fill the holes. HHH kids were added with the coach of the team being their coach. There was absolutely no try out for that team. So much so people went back to the Nike people requesting their money back once it was found out the team was being assembled prior to try out date. This is for the 2026 team only.

Interesting. Thanks for the info. I would think Nike needs to be careful what is being done with all these teams and clubs usurping the power and brand given to them for their own fiefdoms.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Look at nationalasg(Instagram) Nj team. Looks like Leading Edge added FO and attack key players from BBL 26 and LSM and Midfielder top players from Towermen 26. What do you think?

Looks like a really good team. Way better than the NB team.

LOL. says the over the LEdge parent. Can't you just say a good team or it is our recruiting event.
BBL can't control NB team but would love to just add the top 2 Towermen players and your LE lefty attackman and the RFH Mad Dog kid to their team at NB. NB won't let them do it.

You can all rest assured that, in a few short years, you will all come to realize that none of this matters.. enjoy it while you can..I only wish that somebody had given me the same advice so that I didn't waste so much time engaging in these unwinnable arguments

I think Pennsylvania nationalasg answered the question today. PA 26 is a real tryout because BIG 4HHH is not the whole team beat NJLeading Edge team today. Let's see how they do day 2???

PA beat our strong NJ team twice and were really good. One of their dads said there were twenty tigers and the rest played for the other coaches school. Watched their Championship game with Long Island go to OT with a few shots to win. Impressive. NJ team was also really good as we beat a tough Maryland team and great Northeast team. Great weekend and the best players in the country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Look at nationalasg(Instagram) Nj team. Looks like Leading Edge added FO and attack key players from BBL 26 and LSM and Midfielder top players from Towermen 26. What do you think?

Looks like a really good team. Way better than the NB team.

LOL. says the over the LEdge parent. Can't you just say a good team or it is our recruiting event.
BBL can't control NB team but would love to just add the top 2 Towermen players and your LE lefty attackman and the RFH Mad Dog kid to their team at NB. NB won't let them do it.

You can all rest assured that, in a few short years, you will all come to realize that none of this matters.. enjoy it while you can..I only wish that somebody had given me the same advice so that I didn't waste so much time engaging in these unwinnable arguments

I think Pennsylvania nationalasg answered the question today. PA 26 is a real tryout because BIG 4HHH is not the whole team beat NJLeading Edge team today. Let's see how they do day 2???

PA beat our strong NJ team twice and were really good. One of their dads said there were twenty tigers and the rest played for the other coaches school. Watched their Championship game with Long Island go to OT with a few shots to win. Impressive. NJ team was also really good as we beat a tough Maryland team and great Northeast team. Great weekend and the best players in the country.

Love that the kids are still identified as "tigers" even though the team has been disband for almost a full year now. Make no mistake, HHH is not on the same level as they once were, starting with the '26 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Look at nationalasg(Instagram) Nj team. Looks like Leading Edge added FO and attack key players from BBL 26 and LSM and Midfielder top players from Towermen 26. What do you think?

Looks like a really good team. Way better than the NB team.

LOL. says the over the LEdge parent. Can't you just say a good team or it is our recruiting event.
BBL can't control NB team but would love to just add the top 2 Towermen players and your LE lefty attackman and the RFH Mad Dog kid to their team at NB. NB won't let them do it.

You can all rest assured that, in a few short years, you will all come to realize that none of this matters.. enjoy it while you can..I only wish that somebody had given me the same advice so that I didn't waste so much time engaging in these unwinnable arguments

I think Pennsylvania nationalasg answered the question today. PA 26 is a real tryout because BIG 4HHH is not the whole team beat NJLeading Edge team today. Let's see how they do day 2???

PA beat our strong NJ team twice and were really good. One of their dads said there were twenty tigers and the rest played for the other coaches school. Watched their Championship game with Long Island go to OT with a few shots to win. Impressive. NJ team was also really good as we beat a tough Maryland team and great Northeast team. Great weekend and the best players in the country.

I have to call you on this. Why does a parent on LE need to use alternative facts? If you have Instagram go to national asg. The Philly 2026 team is the best players in the area unlike just the best NJ NLF LE players on the NJ team.

Philly 2026 has 1 Towermen, 1 BBL, 2 Prime Time, 4Big4HH(philly NLF Team), 5 team 10, 6, mesa, 1 nxt, 1 next level, 1 team 11, and 1 roughrider.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Look at nationalasg(Instagram) Nj team. Looks like Leading Edge added FO and attack key players from BBL 26 and LSM and Midfielder top players from Towermen 26. What do you think?

Looks like a really good team. Way better than the NB team.

LOL. says the over the LEdge parent. Can't you just say a good team or it is our recruiting event.
BBL can't control NB team but would love to just add the top 2 Towermen players and your LE lefty attackman and the RFH Mad Dog kid to their team at NB. NB won't let them do it.

You can all rest assured that, in a few short years, you will all come to realize that none of this matters.. enjoy it while you can..I only wish that somebody had given me the same advice so that I didn't waste so much time engaging in these unwinnable arguments

I think Pennsylvania nationalasg answered the question today. PA 26 is a real tryout because BIG 4HHH is not the whole team beat NJLeading Edge team today. Let's see how they do day 2???

PA beat our strong NJ team twice and were really good. One of their dads said there were twenty tigers and the rest played for the other coaches school. Watched their Championship game with Long Island go to OT with a few shots to win. Impressive. NJ team was also really good as we beat a tough Maryland team and great Northeast team. Great weekend and the best players in the country.

Love that the kids are still identified as "tigers" even though the team has been disband for almost a full year now. Make no mistake, HHH is not on the same level as they once were, starting with the '26 team.

The kids don't identify as "tigers"...the ex-coach who had a hand in making the Nike team team identifies them as Tigers. only one kid on the roster put Tigers as their team. and the HHH kids on the list were at one time associated with Tigers and that is how they are on the team. hard to judge a 26 HHH team on that fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Look at nationalasg(Instagram) Nj team. Looks like Leading Edge added FO and attack key players from BBL 26 and LSM and Midfielder top players from Towermen 26. What do you think?

Looks like a really good team. Way better than the NB team.

LOL. says the over the LEdge parent. Can't you just say a good team or it is our recruiting event.
BBL can't control NB team but would love to just add the top 2 Towermen players and your LE lefty attackman and the RFH Mad Dog kid to their team at NB. NB won't let them do it.

You can all rest assured that, in a few short years, you will all come to realize that none of this matters.. enjoy it while you can..I only wish that somebody had given me the same advice so that I didn't waste so much time engaging in these unwinnable arguments

I think Pennsylvania nationalasg answered the question today. PA 26 is a real tryout because BIG 4HHH is not the whole team beat NJLeading Edge team today. Let's see how they do day 2???

PA beat our strong NJ team twice and were really good. One of their dads said there were twenty tigers and the rest played for the other coaches school. Watched their Championship game with Long Island go to OT with a few shots to win. Impressive. NJ team was also really good as we beat a tough Maryland team and great Northeast team. Great weekend and the best players in the country.

Love that the kids are still identified as "tigers" even though the team has been disband for almost a full year now. Make no mistake, HHH is not on the same level as they once were, starting with the '26 team.

The kids don't identify as "tigers"...the ex-coach who had a hand in making the Nike team team identifies them as Tigers. only one kid on the roster put Tigers as their team. and the HHH kids on the list were at one time associated with Tigers and that is how they are on the team. hard to judge a 26 HHH team on that fact.

Can we stop talking about a club that dissolved and get back to bashing Leading Edge...please!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Look at nationalasg(Instagram) Nj team. Looks like Leading Edge added FO and attack key players from BBL 26 and LSM and Midfielder top players from Towermen 26. What do you think?

Looks like a really good team. Way better than the NB team.

LOL. says the over the LEdge parent. Can't you just say a good team or it is our recruiting event.
BBL can't control NB team but would love to just add the top 2 Towermen players and your LE lefty attackman and the RFH Mad Dog kid to their team at NB. NB won't let them do it.

You can all rest assured that, in a few short years, you will all come to realize that none of this matters.. enjoy it while you can..I only wish that somebody had given me the same advice so that I didn't waste so much time engaging in these unwinnable arguments

I think Pennsylvania nationalasg answered the question today. PA 26 is a real tryout because BIG 4HHH is not the whole team beat NJLeading Edge team today. Let's see how they do day 2???

PA beat our strong NJ team twice and were really good. One of their dads said there were twenty tigers and the rest played for the other coaches school. Watched their Championship game with Long Island go to OT with a few shots to win. Impressive. NJ team was also really good as we beat a tough Maryland team and great Northeast team. Great weekend and the best players in the country.

Love that the kids are still identified as "tigers" even though the team has been disband for almost a full year now. Make no mistake, HHH is not on the same level as they once were, starting with the '26 team.

The kids don't identify as "tigers"...the ex-coach who had a hand in making the Nike team team identifies them as Tigers. only one kid on the roster put Tigers as their team. and the HHH kids on the list were at one time associated with Tigers and that is how they are on the team. hard to judge a 26 HHH team on that fact.

Can we stop talking about a club that dissolved and get back to bashing Leading Edge...please!!!

Because we have to justify LE performance with a because. The Bbl, Towermen and 2 prime time players were on Tigers too. Lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Look at nationalasg(Instagram) Nj team. Looks like Leading Edge added FO and attack key players from BBL 26 and LSM and Midfielder top players from Towermen 26. What do you think?

Looks like a really good team. Way better than the NB team.

LOL. says the over the LEdge parent. Can't you just say a good team or it is our recruiting event.
BBL can't control NB team but would love to just add the top 2 Towermen players and your LE lefty attackman and the RFH Mad Dog kid to their team at NB. NB won't let them do it.

You can all rest assured that, in a few short years, you will all come to realize that none of this matters.. enjoy it while you can..I only wish that somebody had given me the same advice so that I didn't waste so much time engaging in these unwinnable arguments

I think Pennsylvania nationalasg answered the question today. PA 26 is a real tryout because BIG 4HHH is not the whole team beat NJLeading Edge team today. Let's see how they do day 2???

PA beat our strong NJ team twice and were really good. One of their dads said there were twenty tigers and the rest played for the other coaches school. Watched their Championship game with Long Island go to OT with a few shots to win. Impressive. NJ team was also really good as we beat a tough Maryland team and great Northeast team. Great weekend and the best players in the country.

Sounds like it was a terrific experience for you and your son, that is great. I think that the issue is more about the teams representing the "best players in the country". I'm am sure that the kids playing were all excellent, but what I think rubs people the wrong way is the politics in selecting the team, especially in NJ. If coaches are favoring one club over the other, inevitably a better kid from another club is left off the team. It happened when LE, and then Tri-State controlled the UA team a few years ago. Tri-State coaches kept several players who were clearly not the best player at their position at the tryouts, they kept their own kids out of club loyalty, and dismissed some other kids because of bad blood, and for what it's worth, most of the the kids that were left off of the team are now high level D1 commits.

Gang, we are falling way behind the other regions here. we barely have any chatter. The other boards are blowing up with activity. let's start chatting New Jersey Up.

Tri State 24 with the Chip at NAL.

Go Jersey lacrosse!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gang, we are falling way behind the other regions here. we barely have any chatter. The other boards are blowing up with activity. let's start chatting New Jersey Up.

This board has had far less activity once the 2023's committed. They were obviously the ones who were making most of the comments on this board, particularly about the LE and BBL debates. NJ Lax is strong, there are a lot of options now. Good luck to all.

okay summer season over let the Club musical chairs begin !!!! I'm sure there will be lots to analyze discuss and critic

I am glad Towermen survived another year! They are great for shaking up NJ lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gang, we are falling way behind the other regions here. we barely have any chatter. The other boards are blowing up with activity. let's start chatting New Jersey Up.

This board has had far less activity once the 2023's committed. They were obviously the ones who were making most of the comments on this board, particularly about the LE and BBL debates. NJ Lax is strong, there are a lot of options now. Good luck to all.

I imagine that it wasn't so much the 2023's, but the fact that most people finally realized that the LE, BBL, Tri-State, etc, who is the best club argument is ridiculous and has run its course, just coincided with the 2023/2024 classes...this forum has had some good advice, but also a lot of finger pointing and chest thumping...and for what's its worth, there sure has been plenty of Towermen, express, LE back-and-forth on this forum..can't lay that one on the 2023s

Reason we are falling behind is it is a fact that in New Jersey we do not have as many reclasses as new York, Maryland or Southeast Pennsylvania. I understand when they are in high school they all play together and against each other, however still on the club lacrosse scene hold backs are taking over still. There are a couple players/ programs that are buying into the hold back/ reclass idea in New Jersey which is helping them compete and beat those teams. Good for NJ Lacrosse. Lacrosse will go to age within the next few years, right now is it still the wild west and will have 27's going to play on the 28 team and 28's going to 29's. After lacrosse goes to an age based system I believe NJ will compete at every level with those other areas.

Have you seen the Lawrenceville roster? Kids are old enough to purchase alcohol as juniors.
What about Mountain Lakes? Every rich little brat is a holdback…
Open your eyes, clown

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you seen the Lawrenceville roster? Kids are old enough to purchase alcohol as juniors.
What about Mountain Lakes? Every rich little brat is a holdback…
Open your eyes, clown

I think that Lawrenceville is a little misplaced in the conversation regarding NJ programs since their players are mostly from out-of-state. What I think is a little different about NJ holdbacks is that they seem to do it later on in high school, typically if they are not getting a lot of action 9/1 of their junior year, so they end up reclassing and going out-of-state to prep school. The other method seems to be to simply play down at the club level and, if you commit at the younger club level, then do a PG year. The MD holdbacks seem to hold back or reclass prior to high school.

Lawrenceville is PG's and competes against other PG schools and not against public and private in NJ.. PG's aren't passing themselves off as something they are not. So, don't have a problem. But, I have a friend at work who lives in a lax town in LI and he says in flag football for 7 year olds...half the kids are a year older. So, the hold back things starts early. I mean if college coaches are fooled I guess joke is on them.. I would definitely be asking when there birthdays are. My son played on the b team for a name brand club team. They would practice on the same field as the A team of the younger grade. The younger grade A team was ranked in top 5 by club lacrosse. Anyway, the point is they would sometimes scrimmage and the older B team would always win. So you take B kids and play them down 1 year and they are the top team in the country.

I get the Lawrenceville argument but to suggest NY/LI is littered w holdbacks and NJ isn’t doesnt pass the smell test. Or, hear me out, maybe that’s why NJ has fallen behind NY, PA and MD for lacrosse supremacy…? Look at the top 25 HS rankings - lots of NY, PA and New England, zero NJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I get the Lawrenceville argument but to suggest NY/LI is littered w holdbacks and NJ isn’t doesnt pass the smell test. Or, hear me out, maybe that’s why NJ has fallen behind NY, PA and MD for lacrosse supremacy…? Look at the top 25 HS rankings - lots of NY, PA and New England, zero NJ

It is definitely an interesting metric. Outside of the NY/CT public powers, the rankings are mostly made up of non-public programs similar to Lawrenceville. With the exception of maybe Delbarton, and in some years Don Bosco, NJ simply does not have the consistent non-public strength like a Malvern Prep, Haverford, St. Anthony's, Chaminade, all of the MIAA schools in MD and CT/MA preps. Even in good years, Delbarton does not beat Chaminade or St. Anthony's. Also, the prep schools are the only option for a reclass/holdback or PG, so they are naturally going to be better due to the quality of their rosters. The New England preps also get a lot of NJ players, so the NJ holdbacks/reclasses are not as apparent because they are playing out of state, whereas, in MD all of the holdback/reclasses are playing locally.

The good thing is that NJ lax is on the map. In a big way. If some of the best players are leaving to get great opportunities that is a good thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The good thing is that NJ lax is on the map. In a big way. If some of the best players are leaving to get great opportunities that is a good thing.

Some posters have strong feeling that it is important for NJ to prove itself. It is certainly not a right or wrong issue, it is just a matter of perception. As you note, regardless of where they are going to school, there are a lot of really good NJ players, and it certainly shows at the club level.

Mountain lakes has hold backs just like every high school. The difference is Mountain likes and other NJ high schools have1,2,3 kids that reclassed. Go to other parts of the country they have an entire team in local high school or clubs teams. NJ is one of a few states that still has the rule of you cant be 19 the first day of your senior year of high school. Lawrenceville is in NJ however not in the NJSIAA. they are a prep school that has a lot of PG's. I am talking about kids in 7th-8th grade reclassing for sports.

A friend sons team played the 2032 Towermen a few weeks ago and said that they were really good. I was just curious how they compare to a New Jersey team like the 2032 BBL Black and if those teams have ever play against each other before.

Towerman 2032 are a very good team. I have not scene BBL play at that level, i am sure they will be very good also. Both of those programs are ran very well and I would let me son to join them if he wanted. I made huge mistake this past summer. My son is a 2030 and we switched programs this past summer. What a mistake, we were with a program that practices all year long fall winter workouts spring and summer. We went with a program because most of the team was going to this new program, we were promised the best coaching, tournaments and practice fields. This fall we got to practice on turf..... the practice was 1.5 hours on Sundays with 5 teams on 1 turf field. 0 coaching was been done just a couple high school kids hanging out. Now the director will not return any of my phone calls or emails, when he was recruiting us he was available all the time. Please do research before leaving a good program for a "better one", the new program is completely BS in most eyes of parents that came over. Now we go back to the original program next summer.

What program is this so we know to avoid it? Sounds like a terrible experience

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What program is this so we know to avoid it? Sounds like a terrible experience

Its a program that just expanded to south jersey. I do not want to mention their program name but the experience has been completely BS.

Sounds like Blue Star . . . we had a similar experience there and the repeated use of "BS" should be a clue. No need to be so cryptic on an anonymous site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like Blue Star . . . we had a similar experience there and the repeated use of "BS" should be a clue. No need to be so cryptic on an anonymous site.

Just because you had a bad experience, you should not infer that the other poster is referring to BS. For what it's worth, my son and his teammates were pretty heavily recruited out of BS. Also, BS has been active in south jersey for quite some time, lots of kids from Moorestown, Medford, etc., so they are not newcomers to the area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like Blue Star . . . we had a similar experience there and the repeated use of "BS" should be a clue. No need to be so cryptic on an anonymous site.

Just because you had a bad experience, you should not infer that the other poster is referring to BS. For what it's worth, my son and his teammates were pretty heavily recruited out of BS. Also, BS has been active in south jersey for quite some time, lots of kids from Moorestown, Medford, etc., so they are not newcomers to the area.

Stop the BS! No one was recruited out of Blue Star.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like Blue Star . . . we had a similar experience there and the repeated use of "BS" should be a clue. No need to be so cryptic on an anonymous site.

Just because you had a bad experience, you should not infer that the other poster is referring to BS. For what it's worth, my son and his teammates were pretty heavily recruited out of BS. Also, BS has been active in south jersey for quite some time, lots of kids from Moorestown, Medford, etc., so they are not newcomers to the area.

Stop the BS! No one was recruited out of Blue Star.

I feel like Blue Star claims Chris Fake. He’s pretty good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like Blue Star . . . we had a similar experience there and the repeated use of "BS" should be a clue. No need to be so cryptic on an anonymous site.

Just because you had a bad experience, you should not infer that the other poster is referring to BS. For what it's worth, my son and his teammates were pretty heavily recruited out of BS. Also, BS has been active in south jersey for quite some time, lots of kids from Moorestown, Medford, etc., so they are not newcomers to the area.

Stop the BS! No one was recruited out of Blue Star.

The college commit page says otherwise..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like Blue Star . . . we had a similar experience there and the repeated use of "BS" should be a clue. No need to be so cryptic on an anonymous site.

Just because you had a bad experience, you should not infer that the other poster is referring to BS. For what it's worth, my son and his teammates were pretty heavily recruited out of BS. Also, BS has been active in south jersey for quite some time, lots of kids from Moorestown, Medford, etc., so they are not newcomers to the area.

Stop the BS! No one was recruited out of Blue Star.

You are either uninformed, a troll or the guy that keeps moving his kid from club to club because each prior club director simply does not understand how great your kid is at lacrosse

I love little guys who repeat 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like Blue Star . . . we had a similar experience there and the repeated use of "BS" should be a clue. No need to be so cryptic on an anonymous site.

Just because you had a bad experience, you should not infer that the other poster is referring to BS. For what it's worth, my son and his teammates were pretty heavily recruited out of BS. Also, BS has been active in south jersey for quite some time, lots of kids from Moorestown, Medford, etc., so they are not newcomers to the area.

Stop the BS! No one was recruited out of Blue Star.

Bingo! BS has crappy NJ school feeders.so no surprise no recruits from it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like Blue Star . . . we had a similar experience there and the repeated use of "BS" should be a clue. No need to be so cryptic on an anonymous site.

Just because you had a bad experience, you should not infer that the other poster is referring to BS. For what it's worth, my son and his teammates were pretty heavily recruited out of BS. Also, BS has been active in south jersey for quite some time, lots of kids from Moorestown, Medford, etc., so they are not newcomers to the area.

Stop the BS! No one was recruited out of Blue Star.

Bingo! BS has crappy NJ school feeders.so no surprise no recruits from it.

So we have narrowed it down to troll or the guy that keeps moving his kid from club to club because each prior club director simply does not understand how great your kid is at lacrosse.

https://www.bluestarlacrosse.com/commits

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like Blue Star . . . we had a similar experience there and the repeated use of "BS" should be a clue. No need to be so cryptic on an anonymous site.

Just because you had a bad experience, you should not infer that the other poster is referring to BS. For what it's worth, my son and his teammates were pretty heavily recruited out of BS. Also, BS has been active in south jersey for quite some time, lots of kids from Moorestown, Medford, etc., so they are not newcomers to the area.

Stop the BS! No one was recruited out of Blue Star.

Bingo! BS has crappy NJ school feeders.so no surprise no recruits from it.

So we have narrowed it down to troll or the guy that keeps moving his kid from club to club because each prior club director simply does not understand how great your kid is at lacrosse.

https://www.bluestarlacrosse.com/commits

Oh snap, facts on BOTC? Say it isnt so!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like Blue Star . . . we had a similar experience there and the repeated use of "BS" should be a clue. No need to be so cryptic on an anonymous site.

Just because you had a bad experience, you should not infer that the other poster is referring to BS. For what it's worth, my son and his teammates were pretty heavily recruited out of BS. Also, BS has been active in south jersey for quite some time, lots of kids from Moorestown, Medford, etc., so they are not newcomers to the area.

Stop the BS! No one was recruited out of Blue Star.

Bingo! BS has crappy NJ school feeders.so no surprise no recruits from it.

So we have narrowed it down to troll or the guy that keeps moving his kid from club to club because each prior club director simply does not understand how great your kid is at lacrosse.

https://www.bluestarlacrosse.com/commits

Oh snap, facts on BOTC? Say it isnt so!

Everybody thinks their son is going big time. BS’s commit sheet is more reality than most are prepared to accept. Lacrosse is fools gold (for everyone except the club directors)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like Blue Star . . . we had a similar experience there and the repeated use of "BS" should be a clue. No need to be so cryptic on an anonymous site.

Just because you had a bad experience, you should not infer that the other poster is referring to BS. For what it's worth, my son and his teammates were pretty heavily recruited out of BS. Also, BS has been active in south jersey for quite some time, lots of kids from Moorestown, Medford, etc., so they are not newcomers to the area.

Stop the BS! No one was recruited out of Blue Star.

Bingo! BS has crappy NJ school feeders.so no surprise no recruits from it.

So we have narrowed it down to troll or the guy that keeps moving his kid from club to club because each prior club director simply does not understand how great your kid is at lacrosse.

https://www.bluestarlacrosse.com/commits

Oh snap, facts on BOTC? Say it isnt so!

Everybody thinks their son is going big time. BS’s commit sheet is more reality than most are prepared to accept. Lacrosse is fools gold (for everyone except the club directors)

Very true. What also got lost in the conversation is the comment about BS not being successful because they do not have kids coming in from high-level lacrosse high schools. The lack of Delbarton, SHP, etc. kids is certainly not exclusive to BS, it is most clubs in NJ. In fact look at LI as well, outside of 91 and Express, what other clubs are really stacked with the kids form the top LI high schools. As far as powerhouse high school lacrosse programs in NJ, I think that it is important to consider how many kids go to these schools with illusions of D1 greatness who never end up playing in college, or commit to low-level college programs.

Delbarton, SHP, Ridgewood, Summit, Mt. Lakes produce all the NJ talent.Those kids play in college after playing for LE or BBL. End of story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Delbarton, SHP, Ridgewood, Summit, Mt. Lakes produce all the NJ talent.Those kids play in college after playing for LE or BBL. End of story.

I love how you omitted a certain school. LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Delbarton, SHP, Ridgewood, Summit, Mt. Lakes produce all the NJ talent.Those kids play in college after playing for LE or BBL. End of story.

I love how you omitted a certain school. LOL.

This person truly truly has know clue...even more telling is the SHP reference without acknowledging the existence of Tri-State...Also, just curious, what ever happened to schools like Don Bosco, Pingry, Ridge, RFH, Manasquan, Montclair, St Augustine...did they just decide to stop playing lacrosse and producing NJ talent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Delbarton, SHP, Ridgewood, Summit, Mt. Lakes produce all the NJ talent.Those kids play in college after playing for LE or BBL. End of story.

I love how you omitted a certain school. LOL.

This person truly truly has know clue...even more telling is the SHP reference without acknowledging the existence of Tri-State...Also, just curious, what ever happened to schools like Don Bosco, Pingry, Ridge, RFH, Manasquan, Montclair, St Augustine...did they just decide to stop playing lacrosse and producing NJ talent

I agree that this guy has know clue, but the OP did make a relevant point about feeder programs. The success of many of these clubs is dependent on their ties with strong youth programs and/or strong HS's. BS used to be stronger when the Montgomery/Princeton youth programs were stronger . . . and when Westfield kids were going there. Westfield kids are now going to 3D and others which is why 3D has improved. Tri-State would take a dip if they lost ties with SHP. BBL would struggle if they burned bridges with Summit youth. If you want to build a strong club, start with a pipeline from a strong youth program and then build from there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Delbarton, SHP, Ridgewood, Summit, Mt. Lakes produce all the NJ talent.Those kids play in college after playing for LE or BBL. End of story.

I love how you omitted a certain school. LOL.

This person truly truly has know clue...even more telling is the SHP reference without acknowledging the existence of Tri-State...Also, just curious, what ever happened to schools like Don Bosco, Pingry, Ridge, RFH, Manasquan, Montclair, St Augustine...did they just decide to stop playing lacrosse and producing NJ talent

I agree that this guy has know clue, but the OP did make a relevant point about feeder programs. The success of many of these clubs is dependent on their ties with strong youth programs and/or strong HS's. BS used to be stronger when the Montgomery/Princeton youth programs were stronger . . . and when Westfield kids were going there. Westfield kids are now going to 3D and others which is why 3D has improved. Tri-State would take a dip if they lost ties with SHP. BBL would struggle if they burned bridges with Summit youth. If you want to build a strong club, start with a pipeline from a strong youth program and then build from there.

Fair point, but LE has never really depended on any school, so not sure that they can be grouped in with the others. Interesting about the Westfield kids, I was not aware of that dynamic. Agreed that Tri-State would certainly take a huge hit without SHP, it may have been a lifeline for the club, but I think that BBL has a pretty big footprint, so not sure if they live and die with Summit.

Separate note but important question for anyone in the know; what’s the deal w the Barnstormers?
I know the Kirst Bros are behind it, I know it’s a new(er) National team…any thoughts or perspectives?

I just checked the BS recruiting page, looked pretty good.
Not on the level of LE certainly, but there were some pretty good schools there.

Do 3d kids get recruited well, I couldn’t find a commitment page.

How does tristate generally do, I thought they placed kids pretty well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just checked the BS recruiting page, looked pretty good.
Not on the level of LE certainly, but there were some pretty good schools there.

Do 3d kids get recruited well, I couldn’t find a commitment page.

How does tristate generally do, I thought they placed kids pretty well.

My experience is that tri-state and BBL do very well with commitments, maybe a slight edge to tri-state, but certainly no downside to playing for BBL vs, tri-state. Not a LE fan, but they do have the best results in NJ. 3D is a newer program in NJ, so probably not a long track record locally, but their New England and National teams have been consistently strong.

Can someone explain the recent shift to all these “national” teams? I have heard of certain kids making these teams when they barely hang on to their spot for the local club team. Seems like everybody and their brother is running a national team. I feel like that takes away from the point entirely. Lots of bad competition showing up …

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone explain the recent shift to all these “national” teams? I have heard of certain kids making these teams when they barely hang on to their spot for the local club team. Seems like everybody and their brother is running a national team. I feel like that takes away from the point entirely. Lots of bad competition showing up …

National teams are a great idea for kids in non-hotbed areas. It's an opportunity for a kid from the midwest to play with and against some of the best players in the country. There's not enough talent in locally in the midwest to put together a traditional regional team to compete with the best teams in the country. So for those kids . . . national teams make a lot of sense.

If you're playing anywhere from VA to MA, there's not much need to play for a national team. There are plenty of club teams at all different levels so each kid can find the right team for them locally. The national team concept in these areas just provides an opportunity to play more lacrosse in the off-season. So if you want to play more lacrosse in Dec and Jan then your local club offers, you can join a national team and play in some fun tourneys in FL/CA. It doesn't necessarily mean that the national teams are any more competitive than regional teams. It varies by club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone explain the recent shift to all these “national” teams? I have heard of certain kids making these teams when they barely hang on to their spot for the local club team. Seems like everybody and their brother is running a national team. I feel like that takes away from the point entirely. Lots of bad competition showing up …

Initially, I think that the National team concept gained traction as the sport grew across the county. It was basically a means for a kid from outside the typical lacrosse hotbed areas to play in competitive east coast tournaments like Naptown, NAL, etc. While these players may have had access to local clubs, those clubs were typically not traveling, or being invited, to larger tournaments. Therefore, if a player was talented enough, they had the opportunity to compete at a higher level with teams like Mad Dog Nation, True. West Coast Stars, Sweetlax, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone explain the recent shift to all these “national” teams? I have heard of certain kids making these teams when they barely hang on to their spot for the local club team. Seems like everybody and their brother is running a national team. I feel like that takes away from the point entirely. Lots of bad competition showing up …

Initially, I think that the National team concept gained traction as the sport grew across the county. It was basically a means for a kid from outside the typical lacrosse hotbed areas to play in competitive east coast tournaments like Naptown, NAL, etc. While these players may have had access to local clubs, those clubs were typically not traveling, or being invited, to larger tournaments. Therefore, if a player was talented enough, they had the opportunity to compete at a higher level with teams like Mad Dog Nation, True. West Coast Stars, Sweetlax, etc.

totally get the mad dogs, true, west coast stars, etc. I even understand red hots for that purpose. however, I get several emails a week from no name "national" teams that are advertising try outs. These guys aint playing Naptown, NAL, NLF, or whatever the new league is. I just can't imagine families would fall for that advertising and spend K's on club fees and probably way more on travel expenses. I guess it like when will the money grabs end?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone explain the recent shift to all these “national” teams? I have heard of certain kids making these teams when they barely hang on to their spot for the local club team. Seems like everybody and their brother is running a national team. I feel like that takes away from the point entirely. Lots of bad competition showing up …

Initially, I think that the National team concept gained traction as the sport grew across the county. It was basically a means for a kid from outside the typical lacrosse hotbed areas to play in competitive east coast tournaments like Naptown, NAL, etc. While these players may have had access to local clubs, those clubs were typically not traveling, or being invited, to larger tournaments. Therefore, if a player was talented enough, they had the opportunity to compete at a higher level with teams like Mad Dog Nation, True. West Coast Stars, Sweetlax, etc.

totally get the mad dogs, true, west coast stars, etc. I even understand red hots for that purpose. however, I get several emails a week from no name "national" teams that are advertising try outs. These guys aint playing Naptown, NAL, NLF, or whatever the new league is. I just can't imagine families would fall for that advertising and spend K's on club fees and probably way more on travel expenses. I guess it like when will the money grabs end?

Unless the team is getting your kid into a top tier tournament or recruiting event, the only value is a jersey with "National" on it

What do guys think of New Balance All America team/tryouts over Nike? Nike seems basically all Leading Edge. The New Balance isn't as blatant but seems mostly BBL and Tri-State. IF you aren't on either of those clubs are you wasting your time and money?

Not a either or situation.Nike had hundreds of colleges there for the rising junior.That was good for my boys. At Nike colleges watch the Colsy, Millions and best players so it gets eyes on.Was impressed with level of play at Nike. Team approach made it different from other situations. But there are other summer tournaments, showcases, prospect days. NB my guys didnt do but no detest. Friends kids did do and they had ok. There is value in what is done and in number of events. But limited summer weeks. Cant do it all and who could would be a fortune. Hope this helps and dont listen to detesters. If colleges see your kids why not, hope this experience helps.

Thanks. Interesting that for NJ tryouts are the same day, March 3 rd. So, some people have to decide which tryout to go to..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do guys think of New Balance All America team/tryouts over Nike? Nike seems basically all Leading Edge. The New Balance isn't as blatant but seems mostly BBL and Tri-State. IF you aren't on either of those clubs are you wasting your time and money?

Naturally club politics comes into play with all of these events, always has, always will. I guess that the important question is whether the event is giving your son the exposure that he is looking for. Sure, it is exciting to play in front of the top tier coaches, but you must do an honest assessment of where your son fits into the college recruiting process. If your son is more in line with D3 lacrosse, it may be better to attend a prospect day at one of those schools where he may have a legitimate opportunity, or a more intimate showcase like the ones Lacrosse Masters offers for high academic schools. Unfortunately, there is no one size fits all answer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do guys think of New Balance All America team/tryouts over Nike? Nike seems basically all Leading Edge. The New Balance isn't as blatant but seems mostly BBL and Tri-State. IF you aren't on either of those clubs are you wasting your time and money?

My son was on the Highlight team going into his Junior year - but we skipped the tryouts last year when it became New Balance. He was already recruited D1 and we opted to save our money. If you son is going into his Junior year it might be worth a look - but the same coaches will be at all the summer tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a either or situation.Nike had hundreds of colleges there for the rising junior.That was good for my boys. At Nike colleges watch the Colsy, Millions and best players so it gets eyes on.Was impressed with level of play at Nike. Team approach made it different from other situations. But there are other summer tournaments, showcases, prospect days. NB my guys didnt do but no detest. Friends kids did do and they had ok. There is value in what is done and in number of events. But limited summer weeks. Cant do it all and who could would be a fortune. Hope this helps and dont listen to detesters. If colleges see your kids why not, hope this experience helps.

Thank you for the insight. Did your sons play for LE or elsewhere?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do guys think of New Balance All America team/tryouts over Nike? Nike seems basically all Leading Edge. The New Balance isn't as blatant but seems mostly BBL and Tri-State. IF you aren't on either of those clubs are you wasting your time and money?

My son was on the Highlight team going into his Junior year - but we skipped the tryouts last year when it became New Balance. He was already recruited D1 and we opted to save our money. If you son is going into his Junior year it might be worth a look - but the same coaches will be at all the summer tournaments.

Thanks for story. My kid did both. Nike was much better. More recruiting coaches. Better time on calendar. And played against best from across country. Worked for us. Good luck.

Was at the New Balance tryouts this weekend. Great turnout from a ton of different clubs - BBL, LE, MadDog, Tri-state, Patriot, 2Knights, etc. Checked last year's roster - less than half of the kids who made the team were BBL.

Spoke to some folks that attended the Nike tryouts. Sounds like it was just a Leading Edge practice for the most part. Very few non-LE kids there.

If you're LE, I'm sure the Nike experience will be fun. If you're not an LE family, New Balance appears the way to go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was at the New Balance tryouts this weekend. Great turnout from a ton of different clubs - BBL, LE, MadDog, Tri-state, Patriot, 2Knights, etc. Checked last year's roster - less than half of the kids who made the team were BBL.

Spoke to some folks that attended the Nike tryouts. Sounds like it was just a Leading Edge practice for the most part. Very few non-LE kids there.

If you're LE, I'm sure the Nike experience will be fun. If you're not an LE family, New Balance appears the way to go.

The Nike will be Leading Edge. That is a NLF tournament basiclly. I am sure they hope non-leading edge kids show to tryout because 2026 is not their strongest class. Towermen waters down edge and bbl a bit in 2026. New balance wil be mainly bbl and towermen because they are coaching 2026. Tri state had coahes there as well so they will have representation for nj. They will also probably have atleast one player from some of these nj clubs; mad dog, riot, 2 knights, brotherhood if enough players from those nj clubs attended yesterday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just checked the BS recruiting page, looked pretty good.
Not on the level of LE certainly, but there were some pretty good schools there.

Do 3d kids get recruited well, I couldn’t find a commitment page.

How does tristate generally do, I thought they placed kids pretty well.

My experience is that tri-state and BBL do very well with commitments, maybe a slight edge to tri-state, but certainly no downside to playing for BBL vs, tri-state. Not a LE fan, but they do have the best results in NJ. 3D is a newer program in NJ, so probably not a long track record locally, but their New England and National teams have been consistently strong.

3d Nj is coming into their own in Nj. In 25 they have better commits than Tri State in 25 class so far and are behind BBL and LE 25 class obviously. But not bad as #3 in 2025 to date.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was at the New Balance tryouts this weekend. Great turnout from a ton of different clubs - BBL, LE, MadDog, Tri-state, Patriot, 2Knights, etc. Checked last year's roster - less than half of the kids who made the team were BBL.

Spoke to some folks that attended the Nike tryouts. Sounds like it was just a Leading Edge practice for the most part. Very few non-LE kids there.

If you're LE, I'm sure the Nike experience will be fun. If you're not an LE family, New Balance appears the way to go.

Fair.However, if there was a scrimmage score would be Nike 30 NB 3 right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was at the New Balance tryouts this weekend. Great turnout from a ton of different clubs - BBL, LE, MadDog, Tri-state, Patriot, 2Knights, etc. Checked last year's roster - less than half of the kids who made the team were BBL.

Spoke to some folks that attended the Nike tryouts. Sounds like it was just a Leading Edge practice for the most part. Very few non-LE kids there.

If you're LE, I'm sure the Nike experience will be fun. If you're not an LE family, New Balance appears the way to go.

Fair.However, if there was a scrimmage score would be Nike 30 NB 3 right?

2026 would depend if BBL and Towermen players are on Nike LE team again? If not, it would be close. LE will get all their producers on team but bbl and towermen don’t push their top players to play new balance. Wish LE had the guts to play NJ.com teams in regular tournaments so we don’t have to pen these silly threads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was at the New Balance tryouts this weekend. Great turnout from a ton of different clubs - BBL, LE, MadDog, Tri-state, Patriot, 2Knights, etc. Checked last year's roster - less than half of the kids who made the team were BBL.

Spoke to some folks that attended the Nike tryouts. Sounds like it was just a Leading Edge practice for the most part. Very few non-LE kids there.

If you're LE, I'm sure the Nike experience will be fun. If you're not an LE family, New Balance appears the way to go.

Fair.However, if there was a scrimmage score would be Nike 30 NB 3 right?

Hahaha. I love the [Censored] talk. There's actually LE kids on the NB teams too. If you take top BBL, Towermen, Tri-state, AND LE kids they are much stronger than a LE-only team. NB is the closest thing we have to a true All-NJ team. Last year an LE kid was the MVP of the NB senior game and there were other top LE kids on the team too.

BBL players makes sense to do. Risiing juniors 200 colleges in attendance, NLF all stars there. Chance to be seen and play against the best. On the level of top showcase of summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was at the New Balance tryouts this weekend. Great turnout from a ton of different clubs - BBL, LE, MadDog, Tri-state, Patriot, 2Knights, etc. Checked last year's roster - less than half of the kids who made the team were BBL.

Spoke to some folks that attended the Nike tryouts. Sounds like it was just a Leading Edge practice for the most part. Very few non-LE kids there.

If you're LE, I'm sure the Nike experience will be fun. If you're not an LE family, New Balance appears the way to go.

Fair.However, if there was a scrimmage score would be Nike 30 NB 3 right?

Hahaha. I love the [Censored] talk. There's actually LE kids on the NB teams too. If you take top BBL, Towermen, Tri-state, AND LE kids they are much stronger than a LE-only team. NB is the closest thing we have to a true All-NJ team. Last year an LE kid was the MVP of the NB senior game and there were other top LE kids on the team too.

Trying to positive. Last year at least in 2025 it was kids who couldn’t make nike at the other one. For the senior game both are good. But Nike is the superior event if comparing. Not sure what happened but Nike closed this debate years ago.

According to the tryout calendar the CR infomercial is complete, back to our original programming.

Noticed some of the better names in 2026 that were on the NB team last year not there this year. From what I am hearing they didn't tryout.. wondering if they went to Nike tryout or what

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Noticed some of the better names in 2026 that were on the NB team last year not there this year. From what I am hearing they didn't tryout.. wondering if they went to Nike tryout or what

Maybe if Nike would post who made their teams we would know.

NB invitiees were notified last Tuesday morning. Almost a week later and still no Nike?

If the tryouts were the only factor in determining the teams, you'd think Nike would be able to post within a day or two.

If it takes over a week to post the results, you have to wonder what other factors are involved in the decision making process.