Opening a new thread for the boys sixth graders with a graduation year of 2018.

Congratulations also go out to the Team 91 sixth grade (2018) orange team for their win at the Yale Bulldog event.

I heard they also won this past weekends tournament in Philly..went undefeated. Pumpkin Pie U13...Great job to 91 2018 Orange.

The 2018 age seems like a good group of teams and players and hopefully this will be a very competitive age group, lets all have fun with this site and keep it positive -

Very good point. It's all about the kids. No program is perfect for everyone. Remember when you're insulting a specific team, you're insulting the kids as well.
Post with class.

Should be some great games this year between Express, 91, and Team Long Island. Would be nice to see all three at some local tournaments this year.

The obvious option for all three clubs will be the Outlaw's Forsberg event in June 2012. Hopefully, all three will avail themselves of the locally hosted event.

Or the LI Laxfest

or Oyster Bay Lacrosse League - it will be great if they all player

Lots of great talent at this age level.Looks like most of the teams 91,express,Outlaws,Jesters,fl$ will be at TriState.

Long Island Express 2018 Orange went 4 and 0 and beat fl$ at the Winter Nationals.Great job by all the players and coaches! On to the Big City Classic for the half time show!

Nice job, but go easy. Winter nationals ? Well it is winter but an indoor tournament in a 4 team division isn't exactly national.

that is the name of the tournament not a proclamation

My son is older than these 2018 kids but as a lax fan, the Express 2018 kids are very good. If your a fan of the game you have to appreciate good play at any level and put aside all the bashing of programs. As a Jets fan (I know, glutton for punishment) I always hated the Patriots and Brady but will readily admit they were a talented football team and at times a pleasure to watch.

My intent was to question the name of the tournament, not the team victory.

http://www.lacrossewinternationals.com/6th-grade-2018

Any suggetstions on a second tier teams. My son has played for two years and PAL is not available after 6 grade. He's average player who really enjoys the game. I'd like him to continue but I'm realistic. Any suggestions on where to look.

You can certainly consider all of the Boys Club listed in the Long Island Clubs content island along the right side of the display.

Also, take a look at the Tryouts Forum. You will see options from for sixth graders from Recon Lacrosse, the Long Island Riptide, Long Island Storm, and Park Lacrosse. The Long Island Jesters and Rough Rider Lacrosse might also provide you with an option.

Contact LI Express info on the website lots of training available and different levels of teams.

Thank you. I will look at these teams. Just curious any teams based out of Queens. They are all Nassau /Suffork . For my son I'm realistic he's an average player. Ive seen some of the kids who play for Express/91/ fl$ and hes not at that level since he started late.

thank you for your suggestion. Aren't the clincs/camps for Express members only? Are they for outsiders?

BOTC can tell you that a lacrosse league is run out of the Alley Pond Sports Center and you might be able to call them to see what teams are involved. That might give you some ideas for the Queens area.

Generally, lacrosse in the five burroughs is restricted to High School Leagues and the club scene is much smaller than Long Island.

You can consider camps at Queens College or St. John's University. We recommend that you do your research - we mention these only because of their location in Queens and these mentions should not be taken as a recommendation (or a warning), but just a statement of what is locally available to you.

Bring Green and your in

Can you get 2018 91 Orange to join OBLL. This way they can play fl$, Outlaws,TrueBlue, Team Long Island, and Express just to make sure they are head and shoulders above them.

May be impossible for them to play all of the teams because the Express might be playing 5th grade teams like they have in the fall!!!!

But they were big 5th graders. I believe a couple of them drove themselves to the games. I know one was late because he had to shave.

Express Orange has had a nice early spring, good games against Laxxachusetts (MA) and Leading Edge (NJ) as well as fl$ and next Sunday they play at half time of the Big City Classic, two weeks later the Crabs (MD) and Mustangs (TX) great for the kids to play all these teams from other states, wish they could play some more of the good local teams as well. hope all the other teams are having fun and getting better.

How'd they do against fl$ 2018?

Express won, don't know exact score but probably around 10-2 -

who are the stronger teams here. not neccesary to rank them just who seems to have the early edge.

town then travel

3 Village is a very strong team and beat another strong Hills in the Syosset Tourny that was town teams and had about 12 town teams entered, 3 village can play a pretty high level travel schedule and be competitive

It is early for the club teams but 91 Orange, Express Orange and Team LI are all pretty good, since 91 and Express will probably never play each other the comparisons will have to be how each does against Team LI, right now based on what I have seen I would give the nod to 91 but all three are very good....IMO

Nassau
1. GC 2.CSH 3.Manhasset 4 manhasset5 Syosset/Wantaugh
Suffolk
1.Smithtown 2.Mt.Sinai 3.3village 4.Commack 5t.Islip/Northport
Travel
1.91 Orange 2. Team Long Island 3. Express Orange 4. 91 white 5t. fl$/ Jesters

how does 91 white stack up with 91 raiders? - hard to keep track of colors and names

Got to be a 91 guy who wrote this!!! Jesters and fl$ tied?? fl$ beat them like 10-2 in obll. 91 white, please. Express orange is the team to beat.

Must be an Express parent reply! There is no basis for that comment!

I agree the Express orange is the team to beat.
Did you see the beatings they put on a few of those "5th" grade teams over the winter?
Very impressive

have to agree with some of the points. the 91 white time was actually pretty good last year and won shamrock and laxfest. But it's a different team now except for a few holdovers from last year.
And for the record, I am not a 91 parent or an express parent.

Yeah, good thing 91 orange is playing in 7th grade, seeing as half their kids should be in 7th grade by age. Yeah, yeah I know they're all 6th graders... Lol!

All these teams have young 99's on them.

Obviously the person that said that half the 91 team should be in 7th grade is not too smart.
Apparently you forgot to check your own roster before adding that one.
Great job Einstein.

Take a look at any PAL grade, that is broken up A and B, you will find that most (not all) of the older kids somehow are on the A team. Just what it is. Read a book called the Outliers. You will find out why the age thing is such a big deal!

This is getting old guys - enough already
if a kid is in the sixth grade and he is scheduled to graduate in June 2018 then he belongs on a 2018 team regardless if he was born in 1998, 1999 or 2,000 so just stop it.

in the past some kids that have been on a grade based team were not eligible to play in age based tournaments (a lot of kids have missed playing in the U15 nationals with their team because although they were legitimately in 9th grade they were born in Oct,Nov or Dec) US lacrosse addressed this when they moved the cut off to 8/31 and now most but not all kids in 9th grade will be eligible.

I also don't buy into the safety issue - our 2018 kids will all be playing middle school next year and the heights will be from 4' 6" to 6' and the weights will vary from 75 lbs to almost 200 lbs and those will mostly all be 2018 kids born in fall 1999 or 2000 so lets all deal with it and get back to talking about how much the other teams suck and not about how old they are or what grade they really should be in.
just my thoughts

I agree with your points. Sounds like people who are whining as usual. The fact that everyone forgets is that tourney ball at this age is to prepare the boys for school ball and beyond. If the kids are that good, they should be playing up against older or better competition. It means nothing who wins now. In the end, no one remembers who won when you were 12 or 13. So if some teams are stacked with kids on the border of the age limit, then the only one's suffering are the boys if they are spending there time beating up lesser competition.

There is nothing to stop. Physical maturity is a major benefit, plain and simple. Just accept it and admit it.(No my kid is not young for his grade, he's old for the grade and his birth date is within the district cut off of his grade. Yes, his size and strength are a benefit.)
For anyone to say that a kid whose born in 1998 and is playing 2018 has no advantage over a 2000 kid, that is just plain stupidity.
Think a couple of years ahead. Why do you think most 10th graders can't compete/start at the HS varsity level? (some can)Stick skills? No, physical maturity!! Unless he's 17 yrs old and in 10th grade. Which is what the 1998 kid playing 2018 will be in 10th grade!
On a higher level. Why do you think a school like Deerfield is so highly ranked in the high school arena? Because northern Mass is a new Hot Bed? No, because they have a boat load of 13th graders playing HS lacrosse.
The only way we will weed out these people who think there's no difference is to go by birth certificate. Plain and simple. Notice it's always the parents of the kid whose older that thinks it's "OK". If two kids are within the same age bracket and one matures earlier, then that's just the luck of the draw. If one is almost a year and a half to two years older and they're playing in the same "GRADE" then that's an unfair advantage. Some might go so far as to call it something else! We'll let people decide what to call it on their own.

I am on 7th grade 91 white we are a great team and we beat team long island B in shamrock shootout 7-0. We belive that we can play A teams. 91 orange is the best out of all those teams. Lat year i was on express. And alot of players left express to differnt team. So express A last year was a lot better

nice to hear from a player for once instead of all of the parents, now someone tell him if he is in 7th grade he plays 2017 and they have their own thread

I doubt that there are too many 1998 kids in 6th grade, they would have to have been late fall and held back a year and yes being a Nov/Dec 1999 is a big advantage - that is why lacrosse is played in the spring and you should only procreate in the spring to insure your children are birthed in the late fall and early winter and be the oldest in their class.

Better yet, procreate any time you want! If your kid is born in the fall, hold him back another year. "cause he's just not ready for kindergarten." Then he'll be almost 2 years older than the other kids. Sound familiar? For the record, I don't care! Just trying to point out how people like you will go to any length.... Been coaching for twenty years, this is why we need to go by age with birth certificates. So we flush people like this out of the program!

Great game this morning. 2018 express orange and 2018 team LI...express by one or two goals in a very close, very competitive game. All boys on both teams played great and had fun. Parents on both teams well behaved...

hey Seinfeld the procreate line was a joke - but I do believe that if a kid is scheduled to graduate in 2015 then he should be playing on a 2015 team regardless of age - if you go by birth dates what would you do with a rising 10th grader that is too old to play u15? also do you think a college assistant coach/recruiter want to go to a U15 summer game with rising freshman,Sophomore and Juniors playing or do you think he wants to go to a 2015 tournament where all the kids in the game are rising Sophomore so he knows what he is watching and recruiting

Not sure what to make of the whole Sienfeld reference, but let me try to explain this for you Costanza. If we went by age from the time the kids were little, your 2015 wouldnt't be to old! Isn't that kind of the point? That's why all these people hold their kid back so they can get their older kid classified in a younger grade. So they can exploit the physical advantage that comes with it. Oh wait, I forgot there's no advantage.

In High School grade based simply makes more sense. This thread is about 6th grade lacrosse. At this level of lacrosse development, age based palying requirements will provide a safer environment for learning. A child born in 1998 should be playing against boys his own age and not against pre-pubescent 11 year olds.

The Jesters have a 6th grade boy who I have been told is the correct age and not held back, he looks to be close to 6 feet tall my son is an average size 6th grader and about 4' 8" - for safety reason do we not allow the 6th grader to play with the smaller but same age kids? what about a very small 7th grader that is too small to play against other 7th grade kids is it OK to play down for safety reasons? I think there are always going to be huge height and weight gaps for kids born within a year anyway so keeping it too grade based seems the best to me. regardless of size I want my 6th grader playing against 6th graders not older 5th graders and next year in middle school they are all going to have to play against each other anyway.

Why is going by age such a tough concept? It's done in every sport, except Lacrosse!! Just because a kids big, doesn't mean he is physcially more mature, he may have a 7ft father. It's about physical maturity. When your a year and half or two years older than the other kids (regardless of hieght) it's an advantage. Things like muscle developement, motor skill, hand eye, speed, lateral movement, all generally get better as a child gets OLDER!!! That's the point! You can't dispute it, it's just basic Physiology. It's no big deal, it's just fact and reality.

the age people and the grade people will have have to agree to disagree, I like the idea of kids that will be playing with and against each other in school also play together in the summer. no system will ever be totally fair but grade based teams make the most sense to me

any score on the LIE - Team LI game today

I believe in the whole concept of age based teams, but if it is done for safety reasons, than there can be no complaints that a great team should play UP and not slaughter their peer teams in the division. Many teams play up because they are better than their average peers, but if we are calling this a safety decision to not let kids play grade based- than playing up should be ruled out for the same reasons- safety.

I do see a HUGE difference in my boys from 6th, 7th and 8th grade- but I also saw how their teams needed to play up for the correct competition. I am not sure what the answer would be there.

I also want to point out there are many kids held back because of social, emotional or academic issues- and I believe they should be allowed to play with their friends until 6th-7th grade. Nothing like a kid with little self confidence not wanting to try a sport because he will have to play with kids he does not know from an older grade.

LIE won by more than a few. Sloppy game in the rain for both teams.

A Rec league will set its own rules for eligibility. It is the responsibility of teams to follow the rules regardless of opinions about age vs. grade

In an age based league/tournament - ALL players must be age eligible regardless of the grade of the players

In a grade based league/tournament - ALL players must be grade eligible regardless of the age of the players

If a team has one player who is ineligible according to the rules they are cheating.

If a team moves up in division because of this one player, they are not "playing up" they are playing by the rules

It would be great to see the 2018 LI travel teams play each other over the next couple of months. With the exception of Looney's, the top Maryland 2018 teams play each other all the time. They post their results for all to see on the NPYLL web site, and as far as you can tell, no club has collapsed because they lost a game to another club in Maryland - they all seem to be doing just fine. Long Island teams should be doing the same thing with this age group, and it might start if people/parents stopped trashing a rival organization.

Agreed. High level youth baseball and basketball require coaches to bring the roster and the birth certificates to the big tournaments - lacrosse will need to do the same. US Lacrosse is trying to align grade with age by having a birthdate cut-off of August 31, which is a good idea. if you are born September, 1999 (or later) you are a 6th grader for school (public school in NY) and a 12 yr old (2018) for purposes of Summer travel lacrosse. So sept/oct/nov/dec 99's aren't 'cheating' by being in 6th grade or playing 2018...they're just on the older side, but legal for both.

FYI Public school cut off in NYS is Dec 1. Not September 1. For the record, I don't think anyone cares about the kids born sept - nov, close enough. Its the crazy parents who have a kid born in March, April or May and hold them back. Thats when you get a kid that is 18 - 20 months older than the younger oct nov kids in the same grade. I totally agree with birth certificates, has to happen.

It will NEVER EVER happen without US Lacrosse stepping in and becoming the governing body it is supposed to be. It will then pass down mandates to the Member Clubs. BTW - they should make it absolutely mandatory - that ALL CLUBS AND PLAYERS be registered. Get the insurance companies involved, and they can require registration with US Lacrosse to process any claims. US Lacrosse has to step up or the sport will be worse for it in the long run.

ok, i'll admit upfront it's a slow day, and I made a couple of calls. it turns out that NYS has no fixed birthdate requirements - it's up to the individual school district..so ours is 12/1/99 to 12/1/00 for 6th grade, but the next town over is 11/30/99 to 11/30/00. no wonder people get angry about '99's' in this age group - what's incorrect in their district may be fine somewhere else. i agree the much bigger problem is the playing down, particularly now as 7th and 8th grade boys are hitting puberty.

I suggest email them. I did last week. Its ridiculous that its gonna get to the point that more and more kids are going to get hurt. info@uslacrosse.org - masses speak volumes.

totally agree. lacrosse tournaments don't police age requirements because noone is making them do so. either US Lacrosse steps up and enforces it, or someone's going to get hurt by an older boy/team 'playing down' and it will take the resulting law suit to scare tournament and league directors to do the right thing.

The resulting lawsuits will happen, however most Tournaments think they have it covered by making individuals sign waivers. Waivers are only and I repeat ONLY LEGALLY BINDING when all parties abide by the rule stippulated in the waiver. If tournament directors think that they are safe from legal trouble because the players signed waivers the are in for very rude awakenings.

Agreed, waivers signed by partipants will only protect the tournament operators if all rules are followed by the participants and the rules are enforced by the operator.

Anybody know anything about RECON?

weekend results anyone?

At Lehigh the 91 5th,6st,7th and 8th grade teams all won in their respective Brackets. 7th grade 91 group defeated a surprisingly strong Pride group made up of mostly 8th graders with a sprinkling of players from other grades (7 and 9 ).The 5th and 8th grade teams defeated the team named Victor who placed 4 teams in the finals but came up short in all. The surprise of the Tournament was the Turtles being upset by the aforementioned Victor 8th grade team.

The 91 6st grade team rolled to another Tournament win, while their Coach was sunning in Maui. Tells you if the team has talent,and is prepared during practices anyone can coach them during games great Job George

That was no surprise!

It was to Them

I mentioned that Pride team on another thread and people did not agree that they were strong- that 8th grade team is stacked with solid, strong players. I was surprised when i saw them play. I do not have a kid on this team either- but no one ever mentions them. They are up there with some good teams. I look forward to seeing them play some of the bigger teams and hearing how they did.

My son just joined his first rravel team, do you think its fair to ask the coachs upfront on day one that at the end you would like to know what he needs to work on to improve skillset? Thanks

You should not have to even ask this question. A post-season evaluation or conversation should be held with each player and parent combination to take a look at what improvements have been seen and areas targeted for additional improvements. This type of post-season report card can go a long way in allowing the player/parent to know how they are doing within the overall team.

Since every coach is different, expecting this to happen without prompting might not take place. So, you are best advised to ask for that post-season report as early as possible, particularly if this team is filled with newcomers.

great question and finally we get what this board should be - asking questions from the community and getting back hopefully useful information. my son gets year end evaluation from his hockey organization every year but I have never seen it in lacrosse - it would be a fantastic learning tool and I am going to recommend it to his lacrosse team

They were surprisingly strong because as the first post said they had older players. One of the 91 players goes to Kellenberg 7th grade and recognized one of the Pride players as a sophmore at the High School.

Cage Sage - Thank you, I would agree. I asked the question as my sons ultimate goal is to improve and since I never played the game of lacrosse I wanted know if I was " out of line by asking the question". I dont care If the teams win or lose. I just want him to learn and get better and more important enjoy the game. This board is very help to the lax novice.

Dear Parent : Thanks very much for your note and glad our suggestion can offer some guidance. BOTC certainly hopes that your child's first year in travel turns into a positive experience.

Maverick Big Time Shoot Out brackets are posted. There will be some good games. Good luck all!

what were the results?

BOTC expects to have the final results from all the brackets available by midweek.

My son is interested in trying out for next summer 2013. Has anyone played for 365LAx. Seems to be a nice program but would like some parent thoughts.

Have done some clinics with the Michalson guys, my son has always loved them and his development shows. Unfortunately we had not played on their travel teams.

They seem to be great coaches for the boys.

Recon lacrosse has one team in u-13, u-15, u-16 & u-17. The players get a lot of individual attention as its a small program. Cost is less than 1000 & the program is very involved in community service and supporting the troops abroad . They were competitive over last summer. I had a son on both the u-13 & u-16 recon teams . They both will be trying out again this year for Recon along with my youngest for their new u-11 team.

Where is Recon based out of and where are the practices held?

They r based out of the Hicksville area. A good small program that is working hard to grow.

How did recon do at tournaments last year? My son is considering trying out

All the Recon teams performed well in tournament play over the summer.

Testing

2018 terps beat up some teams in MD this weekend. competition was really not great at all...long drive.

Any other teams play? Results?

Thanks for being honest.

Some honesty, nice to hear.

This weekend 2018 terps at greenvale school for a local tournament. Any of the 91-jesters-team li -fl$ teams playing? No schedule was up when I checked.

Schedule is up now !

LI Outlaws 2018 Black
2 Port Washington
3 LI Express 2018 - Piranhas
4 Superstar 2018 "365"
5 Secatogue Tribe
6 LI Express 2018 - Wolverines
7 Team 32 Manhasset
8 Renegades Lacrosse
9 Patriot Lacrosse
10 Docs NYC
11 Superstar
12 North Shore Warriors
13 LI Express 2018 - Terps
14 Prime Tim

91 2018 White tried to get in but it was full. This team played Outlaw, Raptors and Jesters this past weekend in Halloween Havoc. 91 2018 White won the division dont know scores of each game but they did win by a fair margin according to a parent I spoke to.

2018 91 White won in the title game 6-4 over Outlaws.

so its going to be a terp vs Wolverines or outlaws final.

is it true that express 2018 terps only beat the superstars 7 4?

Yep!!

Not true.

Closing the Fall 2011/Spring 2012 thread in favor of the Fall 2012/Spring 2013 updated edition.