Use this thread to discuss lacrosse pertaining to 4th Grade Boys (2031 Grads) for the Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Season.

Reposting last post from previous SY:

honestly why would anyone want to be on the rebels. constant B level teams. constant lies on this board about how great they are. and constantly bashing other programs. is that what people want to be a part of?

Rebels are having 5 li teams at 31. AA is best team in country. Only lose to 1 1/2 year older 2 way. Which also had 30’s playing.. B that’s for legacy 91 and express. In 4 weeks the top program imwill be Rebels. Come to tryouts. Heard capping at some ages have 80 -100 kids already signed up. If your son can make stealth, come and see how good they are.

Oh boy, this post didnt age well at all…. 31 rebels just lost to sweetlax. Bwahahahaha
Let’s hear the excuses for this one

Lost by a goal, no excuses. Beat S2s again, that’s getting old. Let’s see what happens Sunday.

Rebels beat S2S Armada? Wow, that’s a solid B team; congrats.

And handled Sweetlax Sunday to win their 6th championship of the summer. Great summer Rebels. Top 31's should be looking to head to the Rebels.

Stealth is 1/iglioo 2. Will both only get better too. It’s a good match up. No one on island close. Both have spots available. If your sons top player on 91/expressS2s/ should check out.

why? so they can play in B tournaments and beat up on smaller clubs and town teams?
have fun with that.

Nice work! I think that was upstate’s first tournament of the summer so they had fresh legs. You probably took it easy on them and rested starters. Definitely not a concern going forward. No chance you burned out a bunch of 9 (and 10) year olds this season.

You might have any to educate yourself in rebels opponents and results this year. Clear top team, will not be close next fall. Any really good player should try to make it.

“Jump to my team, we’re winning all the time, we will blow out teams next year”. Blah blah blah. Who cares!!!!!!

Here is what matters most: ensuring my kid is (1) loving the sport, (2) loving his team and (3) developing life skills.

Too many clubs, coaches and parents have lost their way because they lost sight of what matters most.

Why would parents want other great players to come to their kids team? Parents don’t talk like that. Parents don’t advertise tryouts. That means less playing time for their kids. Look at the big picture. The more kids that attend the July tryouts, the more tryout fees are collected. The more tryout fees collected, the more money the club makes. The more money the club makes, the greater the income is for a few individuals. We get it already. We got it a long time ago.

Rebels Kids Love the game, absolutely have a great Family atmosphere. I am sure this will bother you, also Trained and practiced 136 times last year. The Coaching staff is amazing. Yeah, why would any kid or parent want to be a part of this.

136 practices. That’s one every 2.3 days. Cmon.

Rebels Kids Love the game, absolutely have a great Family atmosphere. I am sure this will bother you, also Trained and practiced 136 times last year. The Coaching staff is amazing. Yeah, why would any kid or parent want to be a part of this.

Maybe more then as it was 3-4 Times a week. It's not for every kid, but it really worked for mine

No chance you burn out 9yos practicing 136x/year!

I don’t know…….Maybe the blinding restless narcissism that we get in every chat room on this site from you and your brand.

No one is going to a program where they carry too many kids and the brand is blind to their shortcomings.

Good luck to you and anyone who follows down your yellow brick Road.

What's the word on the Jesters?

What's the word on the Jesters.

They are based out of Massapequa, they have a Girls program. Some years back they had a boys program. Not sure what happened to it. I heard many different stories not sure what to believe. I was told to google the owners name, when I did, I was a little shocked at his past. He seems to be or has been associated with some unsavory people. Not sure what to make of it. True blue is also based out of Massapequa and Be the best is based out of Seaford. A lot new choices for that area.

Rebels had zero kids leave, except the 32’s that are now playing in that age. Added some excellent kids. The best got better.

The Boys teams are new for the Jesters. They got crushed this year but improved throughout the season. They attended more tournaments than 91 or Express so I give them credit for putting themselves out there, they’ll grow from that. I don’t know how often they practice.

What are thoughts about Express for this age group? The tryouts didn't seem too heavily attended but I heard they are having 2 teams.

No background checks?

Express or Express East?

Express east is better than the regular express team. They practice at Stony Brook.

So, Rebels added 4-5 Very good kids, Allstar coaching staff
Igloo was 2nd best, did they retain all. Very good coaches

Rebels have 4 31 teams, few spots left. Have tryouts every night at new indoor facility they now own. Join the best, reach out.

Where is the indoor facility that the Rabels own?

Deer Park

Think they just bought that spot by heartland. Good for them, works with their high attention to training model.

For the love of God and the decent parents that are apart of Rebels…stop the constant PR

It’s off putting

Let the teams play speak for themselves

Any word on the Legacy Blue Devils?

I know many happy customers. That’s why I don’t get the need for constant cheerleading posts.
All clubs have dissenters so let’s keep a level head. Haters are going to detest obviously. Just let the teams be the focus.

I’m pretty sure that most of these fool rebels posts are not from rebels parents. Pretty sure it’s a troll that’s just trying to get everybody all riled up

Honestly think people (1 or 2 people) go on all the boards and pretend to self promote the rebels… knowing the rebels people I don’t think they are doing it.

Got a new non dad coach. They still have 5-6 dad coaches plus the new coach. Some kids left.

I know for certain, at least early on in the 2030 boys forum, one of the directors was posting.
As

Few of my sons friends play there. Seem like a good core group, but not close to Rebels.

Some teams have fall schedules up on websites. When will most clubs be posted?

Legacy posted our fall tournaments

I see Rebels Stealth is ducking DE and MD tournaments this fall. Kinda telling…

Which LI teams are going there

The schedule on the rebels website is last years. Your lack of ability to read is telling

Did team 91 put out tournament schedule for fall?

Rebels website is a mess. Not up to date. Confusing. They used to be one of the first to post schedules.

I’m sure it will be posted no one’s full schedule is posted

The website doesn’t show coach info for each team. They used to.

Rumor has it Hawks are having LI kids play with them. Any confirmation? Hawks’ star player was a ‘30 reclass from Igloo (kid’s dad now Navy coach) so there’s a clear pipeline.

Rebels’ Directors/Founders should spend less time promoting their team’s successes on BOTC, more time updating their site.

I know this is a LI forum but BLC 31s are basically no more. I ran into the BLC31s coach at PLL semifinal and said about half his team went to madlax and the other half to next level.

only a few to ML, a bunch to NL. cant see how they will field a competitive team

The HOCO elite division will only have like 5 teams. Rebels and igloo need to commute down for Sundays in spring.

Probably true

If true then doesn’t that dilute LI pool? Or are those kids playing Saturday in LI and Sunday in hoco? My guess though is kids aren’t playing for rebels or igloo AND hawks.

you're proud of that? 136 times? LOL

????

Any teams playing Columbus day

Not iglioo

He played with them last year too when the rebels saw them. Still had the 30 igloo helmet on.

Express, primetime rebels and legacy
Nice to be out on field again

Columbus Day at this age was not that exciting according to Tourney Machine.

TriStar AA looks stacked this weekend. Igloo Soldiers/2Way Black/Rebels Stealth/ S2S should make for great competition.

Igloo Soldiers? New name?

Expect it to be
1/2)Rebels/2Way on Top
3)S2S
4)Igloo

Wrong, Igloo #1 beat 2way black and the Rebels. Next up, NAL!

Igloo & S2S got stronger this year. It sounded like trouble in paradise at Rebels. 2Way didn't play their best. Solid teams for NAL . Igloo only one traveling.

Igloo vs madlax. Game of the weekend. And will prob happen twice.

Rebels have never lost to S2S and are 4-1 last 5 games vs Iglioo.

Why did the Rebels duck NAL? Are they too busy having close games against S2S and then coming on here to say how much S2S has improved?

Rebels haven’t played S2S this fall. Your comment doesn’t make sense.

Weekend predictions. Legacy, Express, 91?? Who comes out on top? 91 been very low key at this age group> Their 2030 Cyclones team plays all over. This group has been very selective regarding tournaments they play in. Rush and Moose always compete. No clue about East Coast or DD. Anyone know either?

This is the age when we see Express and 91 separate themselves. All others struggling to take the bronze!

1- 91
2- Express
3- Legacy
4- Rush
5- Moose
6/7- East Coast and DD (no info on either)

Lock it up....

Lock what up?? Thats a B tourney. All eyes on the big dogs at NAL!!

LOL….. all eyes. What eyes? Your eyes and and the other parents. All eyes…. What a joke.

All eyes were in the Town Team that whooped 91 2 times!!lol

5+ ringers + town players does not qualify as a town team. Sorry. Team DD did win every game easily though

Yikes! Did LI send their best to NAL? Are LI youth all about baseball now or what?

What does DD stand for? Who were they?

In my opinion, somebody should advise the Recon coach at this grade that young kids don’t respond to anything with all the sideline antics. Just coach and make it a little fun.

Did the Rebels fold or do they just play B tournaments now? 136 practices last year mean they’re skipping a year?

Looks like madlax had themselves a day

??. Why would they fold?

Team DD was Rebels

No idea just saying that it seems they have. At least Igloo ventures out of LI to get smoked by HoCo teams.

If Madlax continues that level of play, no one will be able to touch them. The three new kids from BLC were a big add

I mean they played weak competition in a fall tournament. Their main strength last year were their crop of 10yr olds. That said, if they got BLCs top players, they’re going to be hard to beat next season.

Not sure I would put Igloo in the weak competition category.

Losing by 12 = strong team?

They did have a number of Rebels. Most team was Patchogue based town team with another 4 or 5 Rebels kids mixed in. I would guess close to half of the group played on a Rebels team. Not all on their Stealth Squad.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com//art...cation-is-coming-to-youth-lacrosse/60381

Didn't they also have a few massapequa kids?

What happened 91 v Rebels?

11-1

Who?

Ouch… assuming Rebels won. But they are 9/10 so anything is possible.

Yeah honestly thought we (91) had a chance, rebels legit.

91 will be a better team by next fall. U can bet on it.

Can’t be a better team if you keep ducking all the better competition so you can win a t shirt

What age do all the kids on LI move to Express and 91? Rebels and Igloo both have very strong young teams (30,31, 32), but don't seem able to keep the kids together.

When the parents realize that those teams are not invited/eligible to play in some of the most competitive tournaments.

No one, other than their parents, thinks 91 is good. This score is not a shock.

Usually around 5th - 6th grade. That’s when they figure out who is going to to be really good. Then they offer those kids free tuition to come play for them. This has been happening for years

Maybe. But both Express and 91 are both terrible at this age group right now. They would need a ton of talent to defect over to be competitive.

That’s the way things have been in the past, but times are definitely changing. Think rebels have positioned themselves with a bunch of good moves to keep their talent that they are developing.

Rebels / Igloo are the clear top programs from 30 and down right now

The transition is happening.. Nothing stays on top forever and people are starting to see that there are more options now. It's not just a 2 horse race (91,Express). Many others will be competitive moving forward. Legacy, Rebels, Igloo etc all are taking a big piece of that pie. Rebels have definitely grown the fastest and we will see if that growth can produce top teams that stay together.

No it wasn’t !

When Catholic school, reclasses, and positioning for recruiting years come about, you’ll see the transition.

Top tier kids will gravitate towards an NLF team.

Not necessarily. Legacy Taz has plenty of D 1 commits and they are not an NLF team. If your team is very good then you will get invited to the premier tournaments.

This is true but 91 and Express for years have been known to poach top players from other teams and offer either reduced or free tuition. With their track record and the amount of money that you are saving, many families jump at the opportunity. It's not always the best decision but free tuition is hard to pass up. It' not only the money, it's the bragging rights...

All clubs will reduce tuition for the right player, not just 91 & Express.

And the top clubs will also recruit/attract kids from off LI as they go along, always looking for the next best thing. All the clubs are in business. The business of making money. And winning makes for better marketing and more money.

Rosters in 3rd & 4th will be quite different by 8th, 9th etc.

Which 3? #14?

Rebels are becoming a watered down product, they slap shiny red helmets on any PAL team that asks and then throw in a few of there better kids to keep things competitive, which at this age it works. Rebels won’t be a top team once 5th / 6th comes around. Facts

5th grade is right around the corner. Seem to be doing ok thus far in 4th. Care to elaborate on which teams will be the top programs?

Watered down or building a stronger talent pool? You seem to not understand

Agree with that, watered down teams with sub par coaching.

Not sure what all the detest is about. You can tell a lot about a program when you see how a team/ coaching and training drops off from the AA team to the A or B team and I can say based of experience as a parent there is a HUGE disparity from Igloo to Rebels. Rebels has the kids practicing with older age groups for example their 2031 Riot team practices with their 2030 Blaze team. I can say that from experience the A or B team at Igloo was not doing that. Positional training as well as play calling wasn't even a thought with their Arctic wolves team. I do see that Igloo changed their B team coach from last year and brought in new kids which was a good thing because $4k for 1.5 coaches wasn't worth it for sure.

Glad to see a healthy rivalry out there but many of the kids know each other so it's just fun at this age. Hopefully that continues and Long Island continues to breed the best.

As a parent of the Rebels can say the coaching is great, and the amount of opportunity to play is extremely high. 4 coaches on my sons team + trainers that are at certain sessions.

Rebels doing a nice job training them young, they will be ready for when they move on to Express or 91

Those are ways of the old, lots more competition now.

It’s really not though; while there are teams popping up everywhere, most LI clubs are the farm teams for Express and 91.

what is a farm team?

The 5 Rebels teams

Pretty sure they have only two 2031 in Nassau (Stealth, Riot) and one in Suffoik for Rebels East (Raiders).

Which tournaments are Igloo and the good(?) rebels team playing in this summer?

We have friends (parents) on the Winter Soldiers and Arctic Wolves as well as Rebels Stealth, Riot and Raiders and looks like scheduling is still being finalized for 2023 Spring all around.

Last head to head was at Tristar Octoberfest in GC but some were missing Igloo 7, Stealth 6 still very close.

The Rebels look very strong on all their 2031 teams as does Igloo. So I would consider all to be good at the 9-10 year old level. Definitely Top of the clubs in LI by far. Coaches on both Igloo and Rebels seem very composed on sidelines this Fall year and they all run plays and make calls on the field. Kids are kids but will only respond to the training and mindset of the coaches.

Looks like from the Tourney Machine app the Igloo Winter Soldiers AA team played the Rebels Riot team in championship on turkey shoot out score was 7-2 but both teams were missing a few key players so not sure what the outcome would have been. The Rebels Raiders team also did very good but lost to Rebels Riot on the semi finals. Not sure why both teams within the same club have to play each other. That Turkey shoot out was very weak turnout, only the Winter Soldiers, Riot and Raiders were there at the 2031 level, definitely poor planning on the organization to get teams.

I guess it was payback since the Rebels Stealth team beat the Igloo Arctic Wolves the weekend before at Fall Lacrosse Classic at Stony Brook 14-0. Then Stealth met the 91 Team Titans in the championship and Stealth won 9-1 who are also very good. The 91 Team Warrior look ok too but many of those players were from a regroup of last years sharks and ex igloo / rebels that wanted more play time.

Definitely looks like some disparity from their AA teams to their non AA I guess but not by much.

I think it will be a fun spring/ summer as all these boys grow and get better.

Let us know when those AA Igloo and Rebels tournament schedules are posted. Hope rebels don’t play in B tournaments all summer like last summer.

Rebels and Igloo top teams are the class of LI. The other teams, LI Express, Express East, Legacy, Team 91 all require significant development to catch up with Rebels and Igloo.

It’s a great day to be a Outlaw!

Get a new joke pal. Using the same line on multiple threads is getting old

Stealth and whatever the top Igloo team is called should play in HoCo. There’s 5 teams and then a bunch of AA teams vying to fill out AAA. Make it happen!

Come on down !!!

Are you saying that our LI clubs should leave to join your MD HoCo?

Don't waste your time. The LI teams better skilled but they are also 1-2 years younger than all the MD kids.

I have heard rumors of kids being held back or starting late and being older. Are you saying these MD kids are 11-12? LOL!! My son is still 9 until until spring of next year and on a 2031. Am I doing it wrong?

In Maryland if you are born after 7/1 You are then in the following years class. New York is 12/1 most states it’s 9/1. So if a kid is born July 10th and the parents hold him back for Kindergarten. Then he will be 2 years older than a lot of the kids in NY This is becoming a more common practice

This is the new norm.
It is destroying the sport at the youth level and in turn limiting the popularity of the PLL.

College coaches may like it but as a parent I don’t and as a fan I’m not impressed by a 19-20 yr old college freshman or a 25 yr old PLL rookie.

That's just bonkers but I guess what can you do? I guess that's why some LI organizations have their kids practicing with older kids so it's not so much about age but more about skill.

The lack of age requirements also plays a major role in hiding the lack of a coaches ability to teach.
Its much easier to just play older kids down and win vs having to coach up 20 on age kids.
This is why the LI teams and Canada indoor box teams will always be a step ahead with respect to stick skills and lax iq.

At this young age, its often grumbling and far less prevalent. Our MD based team has on kid who would be considered a "reclass". On the other hand, almost all of the best kids are Fall (2012) birthdays. Watching my kids go through it, there are very few actual reclass kids, but the ones that are reclass, and hit puberty early (obvious at 28, starting to see at 29 age group) make it easy for the casual sideline observer think its a bigger problem that expected.

The push from IL (Foy) and US Lacrosse to "fix" this issue, only below 14U sounds great, but will have very little actual impact IMHO. Claiming we have a huge issue, and then realizing the stakeholders in the sport only care about middle school kids makes the entire argument ring hollow. The best 14 year olds, will be playing against mostly 17/18 year olds in high school.

Fall 2012 as 31's?
We have fall/winter 2010's as 28s in LI.
Pre-K is a holdback.

The difference in school cutoff is most likely the largest factor. My 2031 team here on LI as an example only has 2 2012 birthdays and they are both December. For the most part we are spring/summer 2013.

It’s more about leveling the playing field in the developing years and Getting rid of the unfair advantages. It will give all the kids the same parameters for developing. If they are that good, they should be playing up and not down in the youth ages. That’s how you get better!

Yea, but then the elite clubs can't brag on social media on how good they are.
Nothing like winning tourneys with sub par coaching and dedication.

Curious to hear which ones for reference to stay away from.

Question - Do all clubs practice/ play all year round? Which ones and what do they offer at this age?

Pretty much yes. Most of the clubs at this age group practice year round

Kids who turn 10 during 4th grade school calendar are hold backs? Okay. The irony is one of the best Hoco players is 11 or turning 11 by time spring rolls around and came by way of Igloo (his dad is coaching navy).

Coaching is a stretch, volunteering at Navy is more accurate. But he always introduces himself as a coach, basically Richie 2.0

LOL at Maryland dads hopping on to Li boards and complaining about their coaches.

Where were Maryland dads doing that? I just stop by to find out why LI dads are scared of playing real competition.

Igloo tried it at NAL and it didn’t go well

Igloo and the LI kids are on age.
9 yr olds vs 11 yr olds.
MS cant win anything on age.

So after Igloo lost bad it was oh it’s fall and they are weak competition. Now they are one of the strongest on the island and madlax is all 11 year olds. Got it.

Regardless of what team traveled 5+/- hrs to play 11 year olds its still a disparity at this age. Once in HS I don't see it meaning anything but a 9yr old still in most cases hasn't grown yet compared to an 11 year old.

Easy to pound your crab filled bellies when you have an advantage. Why don't you drive 5+/- hrs to come play our 29 teams LOL (11yr olds).

Absolutely comical that you guys think there are 11 year olds on these 31 teams in MD.

Where would you rank the rest of those teams? Is S2S looped in with that group as well?

I’m only aware of one HOCO team S2S played and it wasn’t pretty. They’re a hoco B team (though better than C).

Could any LI team play in hoco at this point? Maybe their best team could duke it out with crabs for 6th best?

Igloo and Rebels top teams would both battle for first place with Hawks, Madlax, and Next Level. Any of those 5 teams could beat any of the others on any given day, many already have defeated one another.

91, Express, and Legacy as currently constructed would not be competitive in the AAA HoCo division. We all expect that to change, as historical examples of both 91 & Express show they attract the top talent headed toward middle school years. It will be interesting to see if Igloo and Rebels can break this trend.

Are igloo and/or rebels playing in Next Level early spring tournament? NAL in summer?

Igloo will be at NAL. Don't think Rebels get invited

Rebels do not get invited to NAL or NLF.

No. Unfortunately the LI 9yr olds can't compete against the MD 11yr olds.

10 years old is on age for 4th graders.

9 & 10.

NY is Septmeber 1st, when did the LI lax parent get so sensitive? 31 teams, in Maryland and NY have boys that turned 10 this fall/winter, and boys that will turn 10 next spring.
https://www.nassau.k12.fl.us/Page/2962#:~:text=Kindergarten%3A%20A%20child%20five%20(5,child%20has%20satisfactorily%20completed%20kindergarten.

Anyone can enter NAL. They want your money. NLF even allows non NLF teams to play in their tournaments

False. Not anyone can enter NAL.

Rebels have been invited to both

By the time the season rolls around, hoco kids will be 13 and LI kids will be 8.

This link is for Nassau County in FLORIDA.
In NY State the cutoff is December 1. That is why it’s commonplace to have a year or more difference between kids in NY vs Maryland DC and Virginia in the same grade.. on top of that some people hold their kids back in the DMV.

The vast majority are held back for sure.
These are the people that really run club lacrosse and the real reason we have grade vs age.
Lets not kid ourselves.

My son is on a top hoco team and they don’t have a single holdback. There are others that do.

Speaking of hoco, I hear rebels is setting up shop in DMV *this* season. Where are they going to pull players from?

4th graders should be 9/10 yrs old.
If they are older, they are a holdback.

But by the time the season starts, the expected, non-holdback age is probably 9.8+. Leave it to LI parents to believe all their boys are underage, wunderkind prodigies.

4th grade on age = 10. If you want to talk about 11 yo in 4th grade, I’m all for it. But this 9 bs is just an excuse for losing to hoco teams.

Read the US lacrosse age classification. What does it say?

WRONG AGAIN!!

US Lacrosse uses 1 September.

I haven’t really thought about reading it because my son and the rest of his team aren’t hold backs. They’re all normal 4th graders. I think a few of the kids are still 9 rn. But they’ll be 10 soon enough.

The point though was that 10 is 4th grade age. 9.8ish if you’re trying to get cute. Your LI kids are not some underage mutant lax prodigies like your egos want to believe. Just be proud they’re on age and on competitive teams like Igloo and Rebels. There are other hoco teams which have some “pre-first” graduates on their squads.

my son is a very good lax player, 2031. Plays for a competitor of Rebels...and I wouldn't let him anywhere near Rebels A team. The coaches are the most obnoxious, condescending POS I've seen, and I've been around youth lax for 15 years. They have some great players, no doubt. But those coaches? No, thanks.

They’ve made some good changes

Heard Rebels and Iglioo playing some scrimmages. Two of top 5 teams in country, that’s refreshing. Win , win for kids, and that’s what matters.

Thanks for the breaking news…did you let IL know? Ima ire they’ll make it a cover story.

How about you bring your hoco teams up to LI on the 4-5hr drive and play in our tournaments?

Can you be more specific?

Rebels play too physical

Lol - Im not sure if you are being facetious nut my boy is on the Single A team and I will say in all the training they emphasize the importance of being physical but not drawing penalties. If someone checks or hits a helmet they typically will stop practice to point it out or a coach will make a point of it during a water break.

I will say they also play up on all their practices. AA 2031 Stealth plays AA 2030 Aces and A 2031 Riot plays A 2030 Blaze both in routines and drills as well as scrimmages so there's a level of consistency IMO within the organization that we did not see in other Orgs. I guess it will help us when we play the Hoco's as they apparently have 11 year olds haha.

Rebels are 66-3 since last spring. They [Censored], I get it.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...cation-is-coming-to-youth-lacrosse/60381

Still haven't seen an agreed upon birthdate marker, is it September, December, or a different date?

What incentive do club owners have to adopt this model, they currently get up to 12 years worth payments from families who would only have to spend 10 years worth in new model.

NLF has already agreed to this.

What date did NLF agree to use?

First off not everyone can enter either. They are both exclusive and the tournament directors have the right to disallow anyone. Secondly the Rebels stealth is one of the most competitive teams in the country. Big tournament would never deny them from playing as it would saturate their product. The best teams at every age level can get into whatever tournaments they want.

Heard another tourney same weekend of NAL that’s better.

Rebels will never get invited to NAL nor NLF. That's why their best kids will leave by 5th grade

Care to explain why? Right now Igloo and Rebels are clearly the best at this age group and it is not close. Why would a tournament not invite 2 of the best teams?

I agree. Igloo and Rebels are the best out there. The statement about them leaving by 5th grade was probably made by a HOCO dad or coach propagandist to bring solid competition for his 11 year olds. I say we form like Voltron and just this one time bring Igloo and Rebels to create Rebgloo and whoop some 11 year old HOCO kids jkjk.

Rebels tend to be a perennial B club overall. Just because they have 1 or 2 good teams at a younger age no one is going to throw the doors open when spots are limited unless the traditional invited teams decline. As history tends to repeat, the best players on the one off unicorn teams will eventually leave and play at Express or 91, especially if they go Catholic. So no need to change tournament invite models.
I know, this time is different. But it’s probably not. When the parents start to pick up that they are being left out of the best tournaments and the bigger clubs come knocking at the door with tuition discounts, the #Rebelsforlife thing falls apart.

I understand what you are saying. I think the obsession with the NAL of NLF being the only good tournaments is silly. Legacy has mostly b teams and ther 2024 was dominant and has a ton of D1 commits. So it is possible for a team not in the Big 2 to have a successful run. Time will tell. I don’t see anyone running over to 91 anytime soon because the team is a dumpster fire with daddy ball. 8 dad coaches and from what I hear some of their kids shouldn’t be on the team. CoachC will start making his hard push for players after this year and next.

Bottom line is there will be movement every year on all these teams. These dominant youth teams have very few of the same kids on the team when they get to high school

Rebels are the club all good players are going too. Your 91/express reference is a joke. New sheriff on Long Island. 32/31/30 are all top 10 in country. Keep blowing your smoke, every good thing comes to a end. 91/express are going to decline.

Rebels only started a year before Covid…. Pretty impressive where they are now, can’t expect all AAA teams right away… but they have a few and seems to be more each year especially young ages.

Heard there was a BIG shake up in coaching on the 2031 AA Igloo team, anyone know the details?

Rebels 30/31/32 teams are ranked but there aren’t rankings for this rage groups so we just take your word for it?
Beat it; we know the Rebels owner comments on here, check the 30 thread…

In NY I believe its calendar year (i.e. if you were born on 12/30/12 you could/should be in 5th grade technically). Yes LI teams have a few players born in late fall or early winter of 2012 (vs the large majority of 31's being born in 2013), but I'd guess that on Igloo, Rebels, Shore, etc... its <5% of the team (1-3 kids) (if that).

I'd also guess that most of those kids were born in Nov or Dec of 12. In MD, from what I've heard/read (please correct me if I'm wrong) the large majority of kids are 12's and handful are 11's. Therefore, if MD dad's are saying our best players are "fall 12's" that means the majority of your team is almost a year older than most LI teams. Thats a huge difference....and huge advantage. Why would you even want your kids playing "down"? Curious to hear if this is correct....

I think the rebels have some great kids and are top 3 on LI (top 3 changes every tourney so let’s relax before you come back with “REBELS ARE #1)) but they have some parents and coaches that are an embarrassment to themselves and their kids.

They are already the most loathed team on the Island b/c of their behavior and its going to get them banned/not invited to tourneys. Who wants to watch a 9yo lax game with one Rebels parent threatening to punch another parent – all over a 9yo lacrosse game (yes - it happened).

I've been at several tourneys and witnessed parents arguing, rebels coaches saying derogatory things about other players, etc… It’s an embarrassment to youth sports. This should be fun, friendly competition. Yeah, it’s great to win but the next day, the kids will remember the sideline parent and/or coach behavior more than the win or loss. Its a shame, b/c you can see that kids will begin to emulate that behavior at some point.

As a Rebels parent, I can promise you that we don't condone or support that type of behavior. Yes, I know the exact situation you're referring to and parents on both teams were at fault. It doesn't excuse our parent but please don't point fingers if you don't know exactly what happened. We love our team... and our families are very supportive, and protective, of each other. Hopefully, none of this nonsense continues this year.

You guys all spend a lot of time on here convincing fellow lax families that we're untalented [Censored]. The obsession is a little weird. If you don't like our club, just don't join.

Well said. I am also a Rebels parent and echo your sentiments 100%. My son has been on another club and I could not agree more on how happy he is being on Rebels. The environment is very family like and it's fun to see them grow. Winning isn't everything we just happen to do it a lot (on all three 2031 teams). It seems there is a lot of saltiness out there not sure why. Most of the kids all play with each other on PALs and know one another cross/ clubs.

There is accountability, team playing and behavior described is definitely not condoned. I think what one person/ parent does should not reflect the overall perception of the club.

No one said "untalented". Its a very, very talented team, just seem to be a lot of BS on the sidelines when playing rebels vs other team. I agree both parents are at fault, but seems to happen quite a bit more often with rebels parents/coaches than anywhere else. Haven't heard anyone complain of any other teams coaches or parents on this board. That being all said, congrats on having a great team. Nice to see someone other than 91 or express have great teams.

From a MD team, our oldest kids were born after 1 September 2012, which puts the claimed "1 year" age difference closer to 3-4 months. No matter which way you break up the ages, some teams will have a slight age advantage, but the amount of parents on this board claiming all MD club kids are hold backs and "11 year old 2031s" is so far from reality.

The top LI teams, similar to the top NJ, PA, MA, and MD all have outstanding kids, the difference appears far more related to coaching than to age.

MD dad of AAA player on with no holdbacks. The players on the team are 10 with a few still 9 and none turning 11. 10 is the 2031 age. Hope this helps!

What do except from a bunch of people who voted for George Santos as their congressman? Just like America runs on Dunkin, LI runs on delusions of grandeur. When they beat bad teams in PA tournaments, they’re “ranked” and when they lose it’s because they have a bunch of 8 yos who are playing against 12 yos from Maryland.

If July is MD cutoff it’s almost impossible for most of your team not to be born in 12. You basically confirmed our views. Most kids in MD are 10. You maybe have 2-3 10yo as of January 2022. They didn’t turn 10 until Nov/Dec. so thanks for verifying what we all suspected.

You just confirmed what we all thought. The kids are 10 playing against 8/9 yo lol. Not one kid was 10 last spring or this fall in LI. They likely turned 10 December and through 2023. In fact many have spring and summer birthdays so you’re playing with kids that at 6 months - 1 Year younger.

End of day that’s why they are starting this new rule in USA lacrosse. Won’t be able to play if your kid was born before Sept

Touché on George Santos

Isn’t this whole age discrepancy the reason they are changing the rules? Lol

We did have 8 and 9 yo this fall and summer and not one 10. You all confirmed what we all thought lol.

We did have 8 and 9 yo this fall and summer and not one 10. You all confirmed what we all thought lol.

None of our boys turned 10 before September! They’ll all be 10 in spring just like your future resume-padding, finhead wannabe clones.

Wow that escalated quickly...

As we said earlier we are good with MD 10+11 year olds coming up to LI and taking the 5 hour drive (MD Dads can come too). We are ready this spring.

Can all the Maryland dads please go back to the Maryland thread.

Nah. We beat you in the summer and then watch you come here to complain about 11yos beating 8yos. Just trying to keep it real. Get good. Stop being delusional George Santos voters

You have questionable ethics when it comes to reclassing your kids, but its okay, its allowed. However, name calling 4th graders is a different level of low. C'mon. And no one here is defending George Santos so bringing him up twice now is weird.

Just curious.... what team does your son play for?

He won't say because the probability is he is a hoco coach trying to recruit LI teams to play in their tournaments.

Top kids will leave in the next 2 years, history has proven.

Wow that was aggressive response...sounds like we all struck a nerve of that guy.

1) Isn't this why USA lacrosse is changing the rules (which is proof in of itself).

2) you all confirmed without realizing it what everyone from LI knew. There is enough of an age difference for it to matter. You stated "our oldest kids were 10 in the fall". If the cutoff is July, its reasonable to conclude that at least 1/2 or the majority of kids were born in summer, fall and Winter of 2012. In LI b/c the age cutoff is 12/30/12, I'd guess 1-2 kids (per team) were born in December (maybe 1 in November) (on my kids team I know of 2 kids that were born last week of December that's it), but none before. Therefore your "10 year olds" are playing against kids that are 8 and 9, which makes the age difference minimum of 6 months but on average probably more like 8-10 months). That's a huge difference...even if just 6 or 8 months on average...that's a big difference. The facts all you HOCO dads stated basically confirm this all to be true. They are still great kids and teams don't get me wrong, but its basically us playing up a year and your teams playing down.

WELL SAID! Numbers don't lie. This is exactly why HOCO is fighting this age/rule change. The kids will still be very good b/c there are good kids and coaches everywhere, just certain teams won't be as dominate b/c they will be forced to play against kids their own age. Maybe the 6-12 month average age difference is now 1-4 months...for example.

With Igloo and Rebels Stealth as the top two teams how do you see S2S, Express, Express East, Legacy, 91 and any other teams ranking against one another?

Express east S2S 91 then who knows about legacy and express. They all have a few good players. No depth like Reb igloo

Has anyone released their tournament schedules?

I think shore is right there + smaller roster, which is great. All these teams will be good once they find their core players. Rebs, Igloo, etc.. just got lucky and found it earlier. Notice the MD dads had zero responses to any of the points above. End of day this is why they are changing the rules to make it fairer. Some MD teams will beat LI and Vice Versa, but at least its even playing field. BTW - Didn't Igloo win some tourney in DE and/or PA in the fall against MD teams?

MD parent, Igloo won NAL, Rebels came down last spring and beat all the teams. No parent argues the talent and ability of LI teams, and really enjoy playing them. Not sure why LI parent thinks all MD kids are hold backs in 4th grade. That is simply not the case. From a team that plays the top LI teams, our first kids turned 10 in the fall of 22 (September 2012 birthdate). Which puts them at most 4 months older than the LI kids.

US lacrosse uses the same 1 September age cutoff, so all of our boys would still be on age. The constant need to justify the reason your kids a game is insane. Until there is age verification at tournaments, LI lax dad will always have this crutch to use, but the reality is you'll see the same MD teams. And you'll win some of those games and lose some of those games.

You are either naive or obtuse to suggest MD teams don’t have holdbacks. If your sons team doesn’t have any yet, they will. That’s not conjecture; that’s a fact.

may want to check crabfest post on IG... they are using age based for this summer tournament, 2031 is now May 2012-April 2013. I have to imagine they didn't do this alone and others will follow suit. Otherwise they run the risk of going out of business. Crabfeast is one of the largest national tournaments....

Yet everyone from LI will drive down...i don't get it. Just stop going to MD tourney's.

It's really up to the clubs, which most have not yet released their spring/ summer tourney schedules.

The best part of interacting with LI people is saying ‘our oldest boys turned 10 in [er months] and LI parents saying “see! I told you they’re 11 while ours are 8 and 9”. XD

LI represent!

Are you saying you guys might need 12 year olds to compete with our guys turning 10 this year? Asking for a friend.

It says our MD boys (at least my son’s team) are all 10. If you reread the burn, it was clear I’m mocking the George Santos-electing mentality of LI parents. Our kids with their September 2012 birthdays are at most 3 months older than yours.

It’s a great day to be a Outlaw!

I understand what your saying with the three months difference but you are assuming every Maryland kid was born august 31 and every Long Island kid was born January 1st. What if a Maryland kid was born in the extreme early side of the range and a Long Island kid was born on the later side. Couldn’t that make some Maryland kids more than a year older than a Long Island ? In the grade ? Just trying to understand the cutoffs.

I understand what your saying with the three months difference but you are assuming every Maryland kid was born august 31 and every Long Island kid was born January 1st. What if a Maryland kid was born in the extreme early side of the range and a Long Island kid was born on the later side. Couldn’t that make some Maryland kids more than a year older than a Long Island ? In the grade ? Just trying to understand the cutoffs.

It means a block of 12 consecutive for both teams, with on block beginning 3 month before the other. On avg MD 2031 team 10 year olds are 3 months older than LI 2031 boys.

Except for Hawks and Madlax each of whom had 10 year olds on their 2031 teams last year.

That’s assuming MD kids were born in Sept and LI kids born in Jan. Common sense says says most MD kids were born July -dec (prob some in June 12 as well) yet most NY kids born Jan-July. Therefore most of the MD kids have to be 6-14 months older than LI kids. It’s not really even debatable.

I am still Ok with them making the 5 hr drive to come play in our tourneys. Here are 10 that I could find.

Here is a list of the ones MD dads can circle and carpool for:
1) 4/22/23 Penguin Invitational @Cantiague Park Long Island
2) 4/23/23 Spring Lax Jam @Stony Brook University Stony Brook
3) 5/13/23 Spring Jam @LIU Post Brookville
4) 6/3/23 Summer Face-Off @ Farmingdale State College
5) 6/11/23 Long Ireland @LIU Post Brookville
6) 6/17-6/18/23 LI Lax Fest @Farmingdale State College
7) 6/24-6/25/23 National Summer Showdown @Farmingdale State College
8) 7/8/23 Summer Jam @Farmingdale State College
9) 7/8-7/9/23 The Big Time @NYC
10) 7/15-7/16 Mid Summer Shoot-out @LIU Post Brookville

All those tournaments generally produce weak lineups of teams.

Tri-Star is usually the most competitive LI summer tournament. Same weekend as Laxfest.

LOL ok add that one in too. So we have 11 tourneys the MD Dada can choose from.

6/24 6/25 nat showdown expecting 120-150 teams for all over NE

Agreed, TriStar has the best competition.

Has anyone released their tournament schedules yet?

specifics? the team is extremely athletic, tough, fast, can pass and catch on the run. It's the coaches...the ownership. Having coached against them several times, i've never had any issue with the players. The coaches/owners are some of the most obnoxious i've been around, and I've been doing this for about 15 years. They [Censored] at the officials, they [Censored] at the parents of the opposing team, they [Censored] at the opposing coaches (while they're up by 10). Coach is too far on the field, kid moved to early on the face-off, etc. but is the constant griping with the refs that I can't tolerate. If there's something legit that was missed, or your kid is in danger of getting hurt due to the officials not calling it tight, that's one thing. These guys are intolerable. So they can practice 140 times/year, and win all of these subpar tournaments, but their reputation is suffering.

Wow - sounds like angry grapes here. Without know much about context here might not hurt to grow some skin?

What are the "best" tourneys?

On LI: Tri Star

Off LI: NAL, Naptown, NLF Championship, Crabfeast, Gauntlet

Think about this as well when comparing MD/LI 4th/5th graders....a 10 year old is more than 10% older than a 9yo. Physically and mentally that's a big difference at this age. Would you ask a 4th grader to do the school work of a 5th grader?

Also, as of now, from what I have heard/read the MD/VA cutoff is 7/1 (please correct me if I'm wrong). Therefore, logically one would conclude (from a statistical perspective) that 3/4 of MD/VA teams were born in one of 3 seasons (Summer, Fall and/or Winter of 12' and 13') - This is not including any holdbacks which I assume there are usually 1 or 2 (just like in LI). A holdback in MD/VA would be a kid that was born in Spring or early Summer of 12.

On LI, since the cutoff is December (either 12/1 or 12/30 I'm not certain) assume 90-95% of 4th grade kids are born in 13, it makes perfect sense to think that 3/4 of the MD/VA teams are at least 3/4 months -12 months older than LI teams...that's a big difference at this age. Once HS hits the physical and mental components tend to be smaller (except if your a holdback). I assume LI dad's saying we're playing against 11yo is just a joke/exaggeration to get the point across that on average, MD/VA kids are minimum of 3-4 months older and could be up to 1yr (+ on the extreme side of things).

The MD/VA teams are still going to be very good, but this new lax rule should level the playing field. Thoughts? agree/disagree?

Thanks LI mom, but certainly you can find a couple oversized on age kids from the large population you have up there. I have a note from my pediatrician that says little johnny is not ready for lacrosse and to not register him for school yet. 12/1 or 9/1 all kids grow, learn and develop at different ages and at different months of the year.
Bring on the new age lax rule! Then what will excuse be.

Says the double hold back Dad, who lives vicariously through his son, b/c he couldn’t get in the field at Towson.

Wrong mom, I played up (in all sports) growing up in the 80’s and saw plenty of time. Unlike you, my parents had to deal with the on age parents complaining about a younger kid taking their kids playing time. My son is playing up now and holds his own and contributes regularly. If that’s what you consider living through my son, I’ll take it. I’m raising a man, not a boy.
What do you say about the other parents who have their kids playing up, but drop down 8th grade year? Let me guess, they are holdbacks. It happens more than you think.

Why don't you both settle this and arrange for a televised showdown. LOL

All you Maryland Dads are funny. Remind me again why you're in a Long Island thread? Probably because you want to level up like you did in the 80's LOL!
We are all happy for you and your accomplishments but please stay in your lane. As I said earlier our boys are not afraid of your men come take the ride up here and see how 9 year old hold up against your 10/11yr olds. Most of our kids play multiple sports like their parents did. The sport is catching momentum which is nice so lets have fun.

If my kid is still talking about how great of an athlete he was 35-40 years later I’ll consider myself a failure as a parent.

Let’s see how many of the MD kids can play in the WSYL? LI has won EVERY single one because MD holds their kids back to compete! Facts….

This statement is so sad on so many levels I don't know where to begin. It personifies all that is wrong with youth sports. Also, to talk about ones accomplishments almost 40 years later is just sad. Good luck raising your "man"

The LI team really represented themselves well at the last WSYL banquet...

Have to love how 91 is hiding from even their own tournament. Pretty much every 91 team is participating except them. I guess they know they will get beaten badly

Who’s stick brothers in spring launch?

Basically it is Towermen without all of their kids

91 2032 playing the 2031 bracket? What’s 91 up to?

They are playing up in the B division. Yet there 2031 top team is nowhere to be found. The 31 team is not good. So 91 keeps hiding them from good teams.

Clearly, you are missing the point. There's no angry grapes (i think it's sour grapes?). Truth is, this is how they behave. It's embarrassing. Kids are great, good team, all the things I already posted. It's the coaches. Read it again, maybe you'll understand what i'm saying.

The 91 2031 and 2032 combined to enter the B bracket of the 2031 division….. not good for their 2031 or 2032 team. Hope they get back on track soon.

Point taken however every team that contends (91, Igloo, Express and Rebels) has a loud coach or coaches - Igloo coach and Rebels coaches were both loud and passionate this past weekend on a nice battle for their double AA teams. Each team took a W but definitely lacking on their Attack X positions which I'm sure they will add to or recruit to be elite.

41 is iglioo and Rebels,no one else close.

loud and passionate is great...constant complaining detracts from their quality. That's all i'm saying.

What is LI Express looking like at this age group? Any info is helpful.

I think they are waiting for unhappy people to leave their current clubs. Which I’m sure will happen soon enough. Express never good at younger ages.

Team is not good. But other poster is right that express pays no attention to young ages. MC will probably start trying to pluck players next year. It will be interesting to see if rebels and igloo keep their players leading up to World Series

A new era is in place. Express and 91 going downward. Going

Going to tough to watch the demise of the Rebels

Would agree when they get to 7th or 8th lots of holdbacks, but honestly not in 4th in MD. My kid is on a HoCo Elite team and I don’t think I kid is born before 9/1/12.

The cutoff in public school is Sept 1 in MD. If a parent decides to hold their kid back in private school, the Sept 1 cutoff doesn’t really have any meaning. My son is on a ‘31 HoCo team in the elite division (i.e., Hawks, ML, NL, Crabs, etc . . .). I’m not aware of a boy that turned 10 before Sept 1 and, it’s now April, and I’d say about 3/4 of the team is 10 and the others are 9.

Nobody cares. Please go back to the Maryland forum

Yeah, that never happened...2031 Warriors?

Exactly, We don’t care about anything Maryland. Especially 4th grade. Go post on the Maryland board.

**fixed**

Demise of Rebels, thanks for the laugh. Exploding right now. Over 60 kids in K-1st grade clinic.

Yes they do a nice job of training the starters for other programs as they get older. Rebels at older ages not competitive

My son's '31 team has a few tournaments this summer with various NE opponents. Hershey has Igloo. Anybody know what the top level '31 Igloo team is this year? Last year I believe that was Aspen Extreme. The Great 8 has 3d NE Red, Towermen, Orange Crush, Predators and 2Way Black. My son's team played Towermen in the fall (they have two very talented boys at attack) and I'm sure will be much improved by summer, but have folks run into those other teams?

Rebels last recruiting class had over 10 D1 commits, but nice try.

91 is a mess. Mass exiting, players and coaches

I don’t know about mass, but exiting is happening here before the summer season has started. See how many followers the one coach has.

Which teams are showing up to the Igloo tournament?

Any information on the organization True coming to NY/LI? I have seen information on a new club coming to LI for next year. I know the organization "True" has teams all over the place. Who is running this club and where are they based out of?

Felling they will be coming , and will merge with. Not top 4 club. That’s what they’ve been doing and all teams are not good. My first pick would be Legacy or S2s

Who’s leaving and where are they going ?

They are here. Not buying anyone. We will build from the ground up and have a proven track record Nationally. LI is a great area for top lacrosse and the "True" brand will have a significant presence moving forward.

Good luck to True lacrosse, great addition to the LI lax scene and only means more excellent options for our boys.

True LI=Disaster. Will fail and lax off the current clubs owners. Welcome to LI, will be a short stay.

I think they have an uphill battle. Top tier brands are already here. The island is saturated with too many clubs. We all know the “national” teams are money grab scams. They will get some kids but definitely won’t get any top tier ones.

Why will it be a disaster?

Not sure about disaster but if your from LI you know that most teams core are pretty much established so if there are a few that trickle to move around they would be less likely to jump to a new team at the 4th grade level. Most players this age already know how to catch and pass positionally with two to three plays / options ahead. That only comes with a year under a teams belt with the same players. Also most Li parents know National play isn't mandatory at this age, thats more of an appeal for the 6+ grades where rankings come into factor.

They will not field one AA team. Big mistake by JD. One of there employees are def kid(coach) from Smithtown. Just watch them play , yesterday was ugly

Who is JD?

Why would anyone want them to fail? More options means more competition. More competition means the consumer gets a better product at a lower price. Maybe they make it, maybe they don’t, but more options is good. We as parent want to be dealt with honestly, we want our kids on the feild and maybe have a few bucks in our pocket after all.

Can you share their pricing?

Rebels with a sweep at Igloo tourney. Good day of lax!

Rebels and igloo always a good team, a shame others constantly avoid them.

Iglioo and Rebels are both great. Rebels win today but they are both so good. Amazing lax for 4 th graders. Coaches get along, games are intense. They both are on another level. Great stuff

Those two teams are certainly the top. S2S and Express East are a step below but don’t seem to duck them like everyone else.

Express east not close, added good FO couple mids. S2S not in conversation until they register for tourney that Reb/Iglioo are in.

Rebels Riot team had a nice championship as well!! Nice job boys

Sad that 91 had 31’s playing with 32 group

91 sinking like the titanic, the are running tourneys that they used to dominate, they can’t even field competitive teams now

Lol. You people are nuts!

I would get so fool! Express East and S2S both have a lot of talent and will absolutely be in the conversation soon. S2S might be in it now.

I don’t know about a sinking ship. But they usually field very strong youth teams. So it’s surprising that their 31 team is not good. Sounds like they have some coaching drama with some kids that don’t belong on the field. They will continue to hide from the rebels and igloo because losing to those teams is bad for business. The one time they actually played rebels they got crushed.

I don’t think any teams hide. Most club teams play in different tournament groups. 91 teams normally play both parts of NLF and NAL, all 3 which do not invite Rebels. NLf does not incude Igloo. At younger ages they get mandated into Laxfest on Fathers Day weekend. Doesn’t leave alot of room to hunt down other teams when coaches can only choose one other tournament.

As you get further along in club lax you’ll notice the patterns of which clubs play in which tournaments. Some teams play NAL, NLF every year. Others go to Lake George and Hershey. Some play in both Tristars (best tournament on Island each year which is run by Express).

Nlf and NAL mean nothing. Rebels have been invited, they turned it down. 91 is a sinking ship. Everyone knows it except them

Keep telling yourself that. The Express model/tournament schedule has proven to be very successful. Enjoy the time and wins while the kids are young. When the holdbacks come and the kids reach Catholic school age, the very best kids will gravitate to the same clubs as before.

I don’t think any teams hide. Most club teams play in different tournament groups. 91 teams normally play both parts of NLF and NAL, all 3 which do not invite Rebels. NLf does not incude Igloo. At younger ages they get mandated into Laxfest on Fathers Day weekend. Doesn’t leave alot of room to hunt down other teams when coaches can only choose one other tournament.

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You are correct. Teams do not hide. All the teams mentioned are all affiliated or run tournaments. They play in their tournaments All the teams are invited to all these tournaments. The directors decide most of the time where teams are going to play. A good amount of the decisions are based on agreements made with other tournaments. Ie. igloo has team XYZ play in their fall tournament. Igloo agrees to go play in XYZ’s tournaments in June it’s all about the money at this age. When they get to HS it’s all about the showcases

Today, NLF and NAL are by far the best tournaments of the year. Anyone says different and they either don’t know, are lying, or not invited.

You see this stuff all over this site though. Either they don’t know or they are trolling. I figure just trolling at this point. To actually know about this forum and not know how the tournament circuit works, which ones are most competetive, and how teams pick and choose tournaments, I’d say definitely trolling.

So what your saying is that at the 4th grade level it makes more sense to travel / fly/ drive across the country to play kids at the same age level VS staying local and playing against kids at the same grade level in the hotbed of LAX (Long Island)? I just don't see it - Apart from maybe Maryland I can't think of any other spot where if you or your family played lax that your kids would be picking up a stick once they can walk like they do in LI.

Only true religion parents have bounce backs, goal/nets in their side yards. Don't need to travel across country for competition. Am I wrong?

Remember we are talking about 2031 here. If that’s the case why have igloo and rebels played each other about 8 times yet have only played 91 or express once ? NAL in the fall, 91 wasn’t there. Igloo won it. Tri star in the fall 91 wasn’t there. Rebels and igloo were there. At almost every other age group these teams have played each other plenty. Of course they won’t invite the rebels or igloo to NLF this year. Their team will lose by a lot. The NLF isn’t as exclusive as you think. Mooselax, shore to shore and igloo have all been there. If you don’t think there’s ducking going on you you are just in denial. Losing to these 2 teams is bad for business

Spring Jam in couple weeks has 91 Express East BBL Express Chucks Rebels igloo. NO S2S Step up and play

Blatant Town cup schedule is out! Tons of towns coming out this age should be a fun one. Great to see all the towns playing

Think this will be true, but Rebels also positioning themselves nicely for future years with coaches at certain high schools/colleges across the island. They also own an indoor facility now which is great (this weekend for example my sons team gets to practice instead of cancel!)

Think the big 3 will be 91, Express and Rebels.

Rebels have not been, nor will they be, invited to be a part of the NLF; I know that for a fact.
Happy to hear their younger teams are competitive but, unfortunately, their older teams/teams are not. You won’t be joining the NLF because of your 30 and 32 team.
NAL? Maybe. Not NLF

Who cares. Stop acting like the NLF is the holy grail you need to get recruited for D1. Yeah there’s some good teams in there. But there are also some real crappy ones. 91 and express even have their b teams play in it. Igloo, shore to shore and even mooslax have played in it. It’s not as exclusive as you think. And for the record the rebels have played in the NAL

Now that’s funny. 33/32/31 rebels all better than 91-express not even close.wait till u see 34/35. Over 50 kids there now. It’s ok that Rebels are taking over Island

What summer tournaments are the ‘31 Rebels in this summer? There’s an open spot in the youth elite 8.

The best Rebel kids will leave, it always happens, only a matter of time.

Rebels parent here - we loved that tournament last year. Great competition.

The ‘31 Rebels will be the best ‘31 team in the country by tournament time. Just too much talent to be denied.

Troll post - stop. Just let the kids play.

Easy Rebels dad, need to get through NL and ML
before beating your chest about 4th graders

How is the 2Way 2031 team? The 2Way 2030 showed up at Hershey last year and beat everybody, is there 2031 team also stacked?

Not sure about the '31 2Way team, but we'll find out soon enough because they are in the Great 8 '31 youth division, which includes, among others, Next Level Blue, 3d NE Red, Towermen, and Orange Crush.

Spring Jam AA bracket looks solid

I mean they are only 3/4 years old now. No surprise all the younger teams will continue to be extremely competitive, good people involved doing it the right way. These teams will age up and with how young the director staff is the rebels are definitely a club to be weary about in 3-5 years

2 Way 31 team is solid. Dominated by one lefty attackmen last year.

91 still hiding. Pretty much every decent team on Long Island will be at this tourney

91 looks like they are making a showing both thier Warriors team and their Empire Raptors team is there. Do Titans still exist?

That’s what everyone forgets about rebels. Every other club owners and directors are in their 40s, 50s and 60s. Rebels owners and directors are in their 20s and 30s. They aren’t going anywhere, will only get stronger with time and experience! Keep doing your thing rebels

91 Titans imploded. I would think Saturdays team is make up of any 31’s left.

91 Titans still have 20+ players (not playing this weekend). 91 Warriors played 3 fall events and are playing first spring event this weekend. Same roster as the fall minus one. No added players. Strong first and second bracket, should make for a great Saturday.

If I was a 91 parent I would have my kid play for the warriors. They have some great coaches over there if they are present. Masone took his last b team all the way till graduation and had several d1 commits. You then have the former St John’s coach and the current head coach of McArthur high achool. That’s real solid coaching staff

16 Teams in the bracket for Saturday look stacked! Should really set a nice scale on where all the boys stand.

Rebels impressive. Well coached group of kids. Missing a few today and didn’t make any excuses.

Stealth seems to be separating themselves, played missing a few today as well.

Stealth seems to be separating themselves, played missing a few today as well.

Rebels win both divisions. REBELS/it’s the, the, the, oh yeah it’s the place to BE.

Are the rebels playing any tournaments this summer with NL or ML. It would be great to so see LI’s best against MD.

Why do Li teams have to go to Maryland, if anyone wants to play the best team in country(rebels) come and get it. Stealth smoked hawks mad-lax and crabs just last spring.

+1 on this - MD HOCO you guys can car pool and come up here we have good food for after the losses. Also you guys can spend a day at Harbes farms (family fun).

There are no tournaments that anyone values here. Not taking away from wins, but the bigger clubs (year over year successful big name clubs) place emphasis on tradition and knowing that if they pick 4-5 tournamnents they know they will have the best competition at Naptown, NLF, NAL, Crabfeast and a couple of others. Those tournaments all sell out with waiting lists and attract teams from coast to coast. And unfortunately, none of them are here. Maybe when we get some better facilities we could get an NLF part 1 here on the Island. And this exclusivity is what keeps some smaller clubs from being truly successful in the end. No one wants to travel to LI to play in a mylacrossetournament or a blatant event where it’s a gamble on which teams show up. the smaller clubs get squeezed out of the biggest tournaments that are invite only, and their players sometimes get peeled off as well. All a viscious cycle of follow the money. These clubs have created exclusive well known events that are now traditon, in turn they line the same pockets every year.

None of those tourneys are sold out at younger ages. If they want the best 31 and 32 Team on Long island, have them contact Rebels.

All decent points. However if you have a really talented team that is dominant they will get invited to these tournaments. A percent example is Legacy 2024 taz team. The rest of the club is all B teams. Taz was a top team and got invited to all those tournaments. Bottom line is if team is dominant it will get invited to all the top events.

Spring Challenge this weekend. Seems to be same teams. Where is 91? Express, Rebels and S2S keep playing and competing. Igloo as well has entered most. How is it that the so called "Top Club" on LI is unable or unwilling to enter teams into these tournaments?

Spring Challenge Lines:
Single A Bracket to Win Championship
Express East Vitale: - 135
Li Express Meisse: +175
Rush Tidal: +100
S2S Rangers: +450
Double AA Bracket to Win Championship
Express East Par. +220
Li Express Chucks. +175
Rebels Stealth: -800
S2S Armada: -110

This is a new level of fool ! You my anonymous friend need serious help

LMFAO

Legacy all the way!!

Die Legacy have a 31 team? I know 91 keeps their 31s out of any good tournaments. Legacy is pretty good at most ages.

No Competition for rebels on Island.

Attempt at real discussion….

New of tourney was igloo having some issues (coaches berating kids) and lost some kids?

Express East plays hard, can’t compete with Rebels but plays with or beats everyone else. Do they stay together?

Shore 2 Shore can’t get over hump. Will top kids stick around or jump to better program?

Rebels looked a little light today but still went as expected. Clear #1 group. Can they add the right pieces to separate the gap more?

Chuck’s keeps playing in the A. Can they close gap with top teams?

Legacy and 91 are nowhere to be found.

S2S is better than Express East. I know they lost today by 1 but they have better players and will win that matchup most times.

Looking at results last 3 weeks would say Express East, Igloo and S2S all right in same tier 2.

Penguin
Express East 3 Igloo 4
Express East 1 Rebels 7
Igloo 3 Rebels 6 - Champ Game

Spring Jam
Express East 0 Rebels 4
Express East 2 Igloo 7
Igloo 6 Shore 2 Shore 6
Rebels 7 Igloo 2 - Champ Game

Spring Challenge
Express East 1 Rebels 7
Express East 7 Shore 2 Shore 6
Rebels 5 Shore 2 Shore 2

So in all matchups between these 4 teams

Rebels 36 GF 9 GA

Express East 14 GF 39 GA
Igloo 22 GF 24 GA
Shore 14 GF 19Ga

Rebels 1


Igloo 2
Shore 3
East 4

Legacy 31 team is a mess. I would stay away. Good coach but lots of kids who have no business being there. Some kids left last year, more will probably leave this year.

The top HOCO teams going to be in NAL. Who from LI going to be there?

Didn’t these two teams play a month ago? I heard East won that one too

Igloo - From what I heard yes coach B. not playing kids beyond first string will be his demise kids are leaving to other orgs. (Express & S2S, 91 not so much).

Express East - not sure

S2S - agreed - I say stick around as other orgs are filling and fine tuning.

Reb - Not sure - Attack X specific maybe?

Chucks - Possibly they need depth. Could be new Igloo if they do.

Legacy - haven't seen them yet

91 - ?

Igloo and Rebs difference is Nassau Suffolk on the AA team for most part. So Nassau kids stay with the older orgs. lets see.

Same issue:
To many kids on team that don't play enough because they all started with the club from inception. Hard to let those parents / kids go when they are ok with the situation.

Igloo coaches had split kids into an A and B team following a two day 2hr tryout back when these kids were rising 2nd graders. Then, coaches drive the A team practices and yells at the kids like a bad HS coach. Anyone really surprised here on fallout? Time to clean slate and rebuild.

What makes them a mess? Curious!

91 already has a few kids locked up for next year. Igloo kids leaving and other clubs have kids moving to 91. Just wait.....

I don’t know how any parent could tolerate the big fat defensive coach yelling at their kid like that for an entire game. I have 4 boys in travel lax. I’ve never seen a coach degrade little kids so much. It’s tough to watch.

Sounds like a parent on 91 listening to the “just wait another year we have kids on the way”

91 has done that for a while, but eventually they can’t steal kids at every age…

91 will steal kids? The program is falling apart. Glory days never last.

No one from a good team is going to 91. 7 dad coaches and team is irrelevant. No thanks. And please stop saying you have no chance at being a great lacrosse player if you aren’t in the NLF. They will continue to put them in my crappy lacrosse tournaments with weak brackets. Then they will post the “championship” on their Instagram

I remember when their ‘26 team “fell apart”

All 5 Tewaarton nominees this year played on NLF teams

you're living in the past

You are correct but what were the top clubs when those 5 were in 4th grade. Things change

They are nominees because they are amazing college players. Not because they played in the NLF

What’s NLF? And why does it matter. New to this - thanks

Rankings-

1- Rebels - Heads and Tails above all the other local teams but need help on offensive side
2- Igloo- Until someone dethrones them and beats them consistently they are the 2 seed. and Some kids have left but still strong.
3/4- S2S and Express East- Both solid and have continued to get better.
5- Express- Starting to play in top brackets but have a long way to go to compete regularly.
6- Legacy- Tough to gauge bc they have not played much early in the season.
7- 91- Not sure how to comment or where they fit in this group bc they have not played yet. It is June and tryouts are in July so I am not sure how any parent could pay and register for that organization at this point.

The Rest- BTB, Rush, Turtles and whoever else- They have an ability to move up and be in the mix very quick if they make some moves. It is rare that the 3 Big Clubs (91, Express, Legacy) do not have a top tier team at this age. Looking forward to some fun lax this summer. Good luck to all.

Jesters will be in the top 5 this year

Agree. They have started to build some strong teams.

What tournaments are the Jesters attending? Looking forward to good competition.

Pretty much spot on except the part where you say Legacy is one of the big 3. It’s pretty much been 91 and express forever. Legacy is a b organization at best that had one very good team (taz). The landscape does appear to be changing but we will see in the next few years if kids make the jump to the top 2 as they get older.

I believe it will be big 3 soon (91 express and rebels)

Rebels owners grouping them in with Express and 91! Ha. Well done

Have to agree on this one. No 31’s going to 91, not only do they lose to town teams but they NEVER play, not quite sure what the parents are paying for. Obviously an amazing tradition but seems like they are losing some Thunder at earlier age groups.

Express looks to be big benefactor of Igloo problems, but this happens everywhere. Express is going to get kids as they get older anyway.

Will be interesting to see if top 91 and Legacy kids move to other teams. Both teams are uncharacteristically bad!

Don’t think they said now, just how things are going.

Rebels in year 4
91 in year 10+
Express in year 15+

91/Express directors kids have came and went through the program.

Rebels directors kids aren’t playing lacrosse yet.

I don’t think it’s far fetched looking at the younger ages, and the recruiting success for rebels with limited rosters to say they will make their way to the top. No one is saying they are too to bottom the best program currently, but certainly seems like the place to be at younger ages. Top teams, lots of practices and training, lots of coaches/directors, lots of tournaments and an indoor facility…

Lots and lots and lots. Lots of everything except access to top tournaments.

Rebels can into any tourney they want now. Thats a Fact, Jack

Can you translate that into English…Jack? Must be that Dowling College education

Not true unfortunately

The Dowling education is 31. Owner of Blatant Apparel company, Rebels LC and indoor sports facility. Company employees 30 Full time lacrosse geniuses. Mike Brennan is unbelievable success story.

Lots and lots and lots. Lots of everything except access to top tournaments.[/quote

Who cares who is the best. Find a team that fits your kid.
Does he enjoy playing with the team?
Does he like his teammates?
Does he like the coaches?
Is he improving and becoming a better player?
Is he getting sufficient minutes?
Most of all is he having fun?
If the answer is yes to these questions then you have the best team for you. If the answer is no to any of these questions, it’s time to find another team

They are still very young, enjoy the game. In a few years 91, express, igloo and even the rebels will be recruiting the best players from each team offering either free or reduced tuition. This usually happens in middle school. Happens every year. Just enjoy these next few years and make sure your kids are having fun

Wrong! They won twice and lost once in two years at the NAL. Get your facts right.

What was the tourney last week with Rebels and BBL National? Who won?

…and I’m certain you are one of those “geniuses”.
Success stories don’t waste time commenting on forums, disparaging other teams. Beat it FLID

What a joke - how do you not have Igloo Winter Soldiers?!

That was the Blatant Spring Jam

Rebels bring home the gold again. Dominating win over Nationals in Philly. Saw 3 iglioo kids on Snipers. Yes, Rebels played them too, along with Towerman, and Orange Crush.

That Stealth team is legit and only getting better,

Are we going to see them at the NAL on 10-11 June?

Schedule will be up soon. Going to see alot of other familiar names up and down all the age groups as it’s one of the premier summer tournaments.

What’s the point of driving to Delaware to beat up on a bunch of long Island teams we’ve already dominated. Just so it will be Rebels and Igloo in the final. No thanks. Next you will probably say the rebels don’t get invited to the NAL. Well there 24 and 25 team are already playing in it. Next

Igloo imploding, any top kid should be contacting Rebels. Thing Rebels in King Street, better teams. Thanks for looking out.

Why would Igloo kids move to a team that is already saturated with talent? 91 and Legacy will benefit the most from Igloo's demise. I do agree with you on the tourneys - King Street will be more competitive than NAL.

They can improve at attack with some more scoring options.

Most unhappy Igloo kids going to Express. Makes sense. Certainly not driving to East Islip for Legacy. Don’t see any real talent going to a horrible 91 team. Are some interested in Rebels? Maybe . Definitely cause for concern if your on Igloo 2031.

What's going on at Igloo?

The problem with Rebels is they have a bad image (whether its right or wrong I'm not close enough to know). College coaches generally don't want to deal with them (verbatim from a coach at a vg program). Sure some kids will get recruited, but if you're a college coach and call comes in from BBL, Madlax, Hawks, Express, Crabs, 91, Shore and even Igloo, etc.. you'll take one of those kids over a Rebels kid (all things being equal) just b/c those coaches are less obnoxious is the rumor. There are great players at every club so no need to deal with the BS.

I heard that 3 kids left igloo for express, one kid left Rebels for express and 1 kid left shore for express...I've heard this happens every year on most good teams. Kids that don't get a lot of time leave for another program.

What's the ideal size for a team? 20?

Hopefully there becomes 5 good teams on LI so we don't have to travel to play...MD parents never come up here.

Best thing to come out of this thread....who cares who's #1 at 10yo! Find a team where your kid likes his teammates, has a nice coach, gets good training. 1/2 these kids won't be playing in 5 years despite what you may think now...seen it happen for the past 15 years.

Agreed - Their middies are set, just need some help for the Thomas kid on attack. They need a strong X and will be unstoppable for a long time.

Their new Director seems very nice he coaches their single A team as well - If they position him right could wash this away and possibly recruit some more Nassau talent.

This couldn’t be more wrong, they have one of best and most helpful recruiting staffs I have seen.

I found them both! Looks like a tournament in Delaware on June 10th! Listed on tourneymachine. Says North American Lacrosse.

91 and Legacy will avoid Rebels. Odds, Rebels -10 If they dare.

Having a kid who has gone through the recruiting process (he doesn’t play for rebels) this statement is not accurate. College coaches do not care what program you play for. They care about your skill set, needs, academics(can you gain admission) and if you are a good fit for their program. That’s it. Whether you played for Rebels, BBL, Primetime, means nothing to them.

If anyone is expecting their club coach to “get them recruited” you will be very disappointed. It’s your kids job to get himself recruited. Not your club coach. It’s a lot of work and a crowded field. If your kid works hard at getting recruited he will have success.

Do the new age rules change anything or will you still have a big age gap?

You may want to take a look at the lineups. Only kidding yourself. Biggest tournament of the summer this weekend. Stacked in every age group.

The comment about Rebels Image is such a Joke. No College coach takes any clubs word on a kid. They do there job, they watch them over and over. Who ever wrote that is a jealous person that has no clue. The Rebels are exploding, you can get in the train, or get over by it.

What's the view for DE this weekend? Any chance its canceled b/c of air? Looks worse in DE than NY

Having a kid that's gone through this and another one next year...this statement is partially true. This is why, historically 91 and Express draw the better players. They have the best calls to a college...maybe that will change one day, but I can assure you having a kid at one of those programs will help more than having a kid at a program that's not as well known. However, its also the kids job to "sell himself".

Nothing going on with Igloo. Same story for any AA team. The backend of the bench kids don’t play so parents are upset and move them to a team or club where they will get more playing team. Igloo’s top core players at each position are still there and are not going anywhere.

Kids that left weren’t getting playing time. It’s hard pill for parents to swallow when their kid is not a AA player. I don’t understand parents watch the same practices and games and if you are honest with yourself you can see the difference between players. And there is nothing wrong with that. I would rather my kid get decent playing time on an A or B team and develop as a player, than sit on the bench on a AA team.

Who is going to Tristar next weekend?

I am curious out all of the teams, which ones would you say are really AA?

Madlax, SweetLax, Hawks, Igloo, Rebels and S2S

Did Long Island teams beat *any* of the HOCO teams this weekend? Yikes

What teams were in this “king street” tournament? That’s better competition than NAL?! lmaoooo

Igloo winter soldiers is on the schedule for tri star and for lax fest. Are they splitting the team?

none. That’s the joke. Rebels not invited to biggest tournament of the summer.

Rebels are unanimous, back-to-back BOTC message board champs according to the Rebels directors who post here.

Tri Star is best tourney of summer, Check out teams.

I totally agree the competition at NAL was much better than King Street. However the rebels 25 and 24 team are both attending the NAL at the end of the July. So I really don’t think the Rebels don’t get invited to the NAL. If that was the case why would invite the older groups? Looks like most of the same teams will be at tri start this weekend. Should be a great tourney

Question is after seeing Hawks and ML play, how do the Rebels stack up to the two top hoco teams?

Madlax is definitely better than the Rebels Stealth.
King Street had five teams in the 2031 and NAL had 15. Competition definitely fiercer at NAL.

what teams are actually playin 2031 Tristar? I can't find it on Tourney Machine app.

Not sure any team really stacks up against 11/soon to be 12yo's playing in a 10 yo division.

How come the HOCO teams do so well in tourney's but never win the WS? Has to be b/c of age limits in WS.

I think the new age rules will be implemented by HOCO. Maybe a player or two from some teams will be affected. There are a handful of individual cases with private school "pre-first" nonsense. The team I know won't be. My understanding is that most of the WSYL related DQ is due to 8th grade reclass stuff. Hope new rules address that.

Just a bunch of 10 year olds at ML. Can’t speak for Hawks

It 100% is because WS has age rules - those teams are stacked with older kids who don’t meet WS age requirements

My understanding is that one of the 31 hawks used to play on the 30 igloo team then moved for family reasons. Either way, we’ll see which players from this past spring are still with the teams

Rebels beat Madlax and Hawks last spring. Both by 6-9 goals. They will be seeing each other in fall. We shall find out. They will never travel to island, so Rebels will visit them. Maybe 8 team fall inventional. Only good LI team at NAL was Igloo, who rebels have beat last 3 games by about 20-3.

Didn’t you lose to them in 2 of the last 3 championship games? One in fall and one in Spring? Okay guess those don’t count only the ones you win counted. Okay we get it

Rebels haven’t played our new ML team.

Odds if Rebels played Madlax(+2) Hawks(Even)
Odds after Age Limit gets enforced Rebels. Favorites by 8

As a dad of a team who has played ML many times they are the clear best 4th grade team. I was surprised Hawks played them so close at NAL. How was it so close?

Have you not watched the hawks goalie play?
Levels above the competition at this age

Ok fair enough. Must be nice having a goalie like that

Rebels beat igloo the last 2 championship games they have played them. Penguin invitational and spring jam. Games weren’t close

Rebels Admin are THE BEST! Internet chat forum gold

Rebels Admin does not have to be on here, Results, and fact that they offer more than any other club, Is all they need.

That George Santos is their US Representative is a little too on the nose.

Funny only change this weeks schedule. Igloo originally played rebels, now in a different Div. Guess AA had it changed.

How did rebels do at King Street? Saw they lost to 2Way in pool play, but the bracket seems to be missing results.

Come back when these kids are in 8th grade and tell us how much they have to offer. Make sure to let us know what can’t offer as well.

Jealous Dad, Rebels are NEW # 1. Kids now only going to Rebels. Sorry, Dude

Lost and got blown out. Our kids got down a bunch and could not get it together. A good teaching moment and 2 Way outplayed us. We will see how we respond this weekend.

I think the Maryland thread might be crazier than this one lately. Grab some popcorn.

The legend of the rebels pumped here last year turned out to be a total fraud. LI teams won a total of 1 game against hoco teams at NAL. Is everything ok up there? The Maryland thread is popcorn worthy but the hoco teams are just a tier better than the LI teams, so we walk the walk, too.

Hahahahaha, 4th graders walking the walk! Holy cow this is pure gold! What a clown show, I hope to God this is parody!

AGE BASED as of Sept, Playing field now fair.

Lets see what happens if HOCO teams only played kids born in 13, which is what 95% of all LI 4th graders are (or Dec 12).

It's really not MD fault. Their kids just started late and the age wasn't enforced. Their 11-12 year olds will have to play in the proper class in September.

Legacy Blue Devils and 91 Titans are both horrible. Why would anyone with a talented kid play on either team. The parents keep drinking the Koolaid but at some point people are going to jump ship. Would not be shocked if it happened this year!

There's probably only a 2031 HOCO player here or there affected by new rule -- e.g. my son's team is unaffected -- so I'm looking forward to next year's excuse as to why HOCO teams mop the floor with all the LI teams.

My son's '31 elite Hoco team doesn't have a kid with a birthday earlier than July 2012 and only one before September 2012, about half the team is 2013 birthdays.

As for the ML/Hawks question, the Hawk's goalie can stand on his head at times and not so much other times. The Hawks really slow it down on offense, so when the goalie's on, he can keep teh games really close. My son's team was 3-1 against the Hawks this year, one win was very close and the other two not so much. Just not a great team performance for the loss.

We have 2Way Black '31 at Great 8 in two weeks, so that's be interesting in respect of the jurisdictional debate.

when did ML lose to the hawks?

2022 HOCO regular season.

You guys are too much. Def not an ML parent

23 ML team better than 22 team

They’re 4th graders, is the a joke? They..are..in..4th grade!

with is HOCO?

Says a person on a 2031 lax message board

Is 2Way balanced or do they rely on a couple star players? Don’t think they were at many tournaments before King street, no?

You are also on a ‘31 chat board my friend.

That whole DD team was 100% all Patchogue kids. All the boys on that team play travel lax. Patchogue is for real !!!

Tri star play offs stacked with 8 solid teams today.

Stacked with 4th graders? Dude get a grip

Amazing lacrosse for 4 th graders. Field was absolutely packed watching 2 way beat rebels in double OT.

It was stacked with teams that couldn’t get a win against HOCO teams last week

Congratulations to 91 Titans for beating half a town team and two C level clubs. What an embarrassment this program is becoming.

People are starting to ask if LI just stopped being a lacrosse hot bed. Is baseball growing there or what?

I’m just here for the comedy, and it’s fantastic! Adults ranting about the physical prowess of 4th grade boys! You should be so proud of yourselves.

What people? Where did this happen? Another silly comment by a silly woman!

hey HOCO KNUCKLEHEAD. Come to LI anytime, You're not that special. Why do we have to go to you? LI IS # 1 and always will be. That new age rule must be really tough on your hold backs.

Philly and Delaware are kind of halfway so no idea why you act like we won’t travel to play you. It’s not about being special, it’s about none of our teams losing to LI teams. Does not beating any HOCO teams at NAL make you #1? If that makes hoco special then those are your words. No holdbacks down here, at least not on my son’s team and I doubt other teams will be impacted. Usually holdbacks are a 8th-9th grade thing. Think you all just need to get better up there!

Isn’t one of the LI high school teams, the #1 team in the country?

As a HOCO parent who is somewhat tired of playing the same five teams over and over again, I’d welcome more tournaments north of the Delaware River. We’re traveling to NJ this weekend for a tournament and I think it’s great for the boys to play some teams they’ve never seen before.

You confirmed it - "1/2 the team is 13 bdays". On Long Island pretty much 95% of teams are 13 bdays (and the ones that aren't are probably December 12)...that's a big difference.

lol @ "our boys are 3 months younger than HOCO boys. That's a HUGE advantage!"

Unprecedented levels of copium consumption and delusion up on the island. Fitting for the people who think George Santos represents them.

You're assuming every kid was born in Dec/Jan...think about it. The majority of kids on LI born late winter, Spring and Summer of 13...that is a big difference. On average HOCO teams are 6-12 months older...end of day, just look at WS winners, where there are age rules.

No one is saying HOCO teams aren't good...simply saying HOCO teams are on average 6-12 months older, which is why its difficult for LI teams to beat HOCO teams. At this age, its a big difference.

if teams in HOCO played only their 13's vs LI teams, playing field would be even. Problem has less to do with holdbacks more to do with grade cutoffs in different states.

Agree with this - on my sons 31 team we have kids that don't turn 10 until late fall. So it's a 9yr old vs 11-12 Hoco.

Not a boy on my son’s HOCO team is older than 10. Stop with the excuses and have your boys hit the wall.

Just ignorant and idiotic statement. The HOCO dad said it above "my son's team doesn't have a kid with a birthday earlier than July 2012 and only one before September 2012, about half the team is 2013 birthdays"

LI teams are 95%+ all 2013. You're 10+ yo are still playing against 9+ yo. Its just the way the age cutoff for schools works.

Also, by your own admission 1/2 the team is born in 12 vs almost 100% of LI teams born in 13. By your own statements its clear HOCO teams are on average at least 6-10 months older. Silly that you can't/refuse to admit to this yet think there is something in the water that makes HOCO teams the best in the country. Its idiotic...there are good teams and kids everywhere, yet most seem to be on LI or HOCO b/c its a "hotbed" of coaches, teams, etc.. There is an edge to HOCO b/c of the school cutoffs., which is why HOCO teams never win the WS. Its not really even debatable at this point.

That 6-10 months is a big difference when you look at one team vs. another. Its basically a 5-15% difference in age.

Don't get me wrong, the HOCO teams are still very, very good but wouldn't be as dominate if they played all their 13's vs LI 13's. Would be a much more even.

There’s enough copium in this post to kill a horse!

Fwiw LI teams are pretty good at every other age bracket as far as I can tell. I don’t think there’s anything special about the HOCO 31s relative to other years so perhaps there’s just a drought year crop of LI 4th graders.

Tewaaraton award winner = LI
NCAA Finals MVP = LI
NCAA Rookie Of The Year = LI
1 # Ranked Private High School = LI
1 # Ranked Public High School = LI

Huh! You won a 4th grade tournament with 5th graders.

<crying wojak meme> Noooo!!! Your 10 year olds are an unfair kind of 10 year old compared to ours!!! </crying wojak meme>

Ladies, you are referring to little kids, I hope you expend this much energy on their education, because the pittance in scholarship money lacrosse offers isn’t going to cover tuition or room and board, maybe books.

Way too early for this age group. By 6th grade 91 and Express will be the only LI teams left standing. Rebels will dismantle just like every Rebels team before them. Igloo becomes watered down, not to mention their coaching staff is an abomination. If you don't believe it, take a screenshot and come back in 3 years when 91 and Express are the only LI teams in the 2031 WS.

And for the record, Madlax is far and away the best 2031 team, best coaching, and the best talent. Hawks and NL are good but aren't even close to ML.

The 91 express thing is getting old. They are treading down in massive way. Just wait till u see Rebel teams this fall. Going to be number 1 at 35 34 33 32 31. With no one close. Actually a lot of express 91 kids going to tryouts. Not sure how many will make the cut. I know it’s killing you that it’s happening. So goes the world, everything has a life.

For kids looking for teams in Suffolk is there a list out there of teams and where they are based out of?

Express
Express East
Rebels
Rebels East
S2S
Legacy
91
Mooselax
Rush
Recon
Turtles

I don’t think you will see much movement from the rebels kids until the World Series is over. I know it’s far away but they will qualify and could make a decent run in the tourney(barring a mass exodus). The 91 and express teams at this age level are bad. This is why no one will run to those programs right now. It is definitely a possibility kids could go over to those top programs later on for recruiting purposes. We will have to wait and see

I’m honestly starting to wonder if George santos is the rebels director posting here. Their tendencies are nearly identical.

Why would anyone go on a sinking ship(91)

You mean that there are no official records kept for 4th grade club lacrosse? It’s just for show and tell? Holy cow, what are all these moms going to do?

Great VIII 2031 Division Odds

2Way Black 2031 (+130)
NL 2031 (+150)
Towermen 2031 (+190)
Orange Crush (+210)
Predators 2031 AA (+250)
Mad Dog West 2031 (OFF)

Most of the top players haven’t even picked up a stick yet. There will be plenty of great lax players to go around.

Preds by far the best value. They’re a good team - certainly better than Towermen and Crush. Have never seen NL play so I’d put them just below 2Way.

This is just a very clueless person. Kids will start late, but 1 in a 1000 will be better to those playing last 4-5 years.

What’s 7 th and 8 th teams?

How is the Legacy team? Personally, it’s the most convenient one to check out. Are they any good?

better than Crush and Towermen based on what?

The team is pretty bad. Between 91, express, express east, rebels and igloo……they are worse than all of those.

How can you rank them below 91? At least they’be shown up.

Santos is back!! Rebels are crumbling.

Who is Santos?

Hats off to 91 Titans again. After taking a BIG L in Delaware they have come out and beaten up a couple of town teams and a few B/C teams. LMAO. Trying hard to sell the parents a bill of goods!

LMAO is an actual adult writing something so ridiculous about a bunch of 4th graders. If you weren’t so pathetic it would be comedy gold. You’re an embarrassment. This is the reason lacrosse has such a clownish reputation. Parents like you. Never ever see this silliness in football or basketball.

NATIONAL Rankins out
1)Madlax
2)2 Way
3) Rebels Stealth
4) Hawks
5) Igloo
9I and Express, Not in top 30

4th graders

Rebels Directors. Embarrassing. Don’t deserve to be listed with these other clubs. Rebels will fold in 2 years.

lol at these “rankins”

LOL at ranking little boys. It’s creepy and weird.

Who ranked these teams? Where is this information? Most dont start until next year.

Rebels Dad “rankin’s”

Theyre all holdback teams!!!! Madlax kids are 12!

Kudos to ML for assembling a team of only tiny 12 year olds to blend in and play against less skilled 10 year olds.

Madlax and Hawks are on age by new guidelines. Rebels need to stop crying. Harsh reality coming their way if they ever decide to play in a real tournament. Skipped NAL because they were scared. Igloo took a stomping. LI way behind the DMV.

Ranking 10 year old boys is creepy and scary

Igloo took third in the tournament. Yes, they got beat badly to the hawks.

Rankins

Igloo has ML and NL next week at Hershey. They both beat up on the Hawks this year.

Igloo stinks. Coaches are an embarrassment. Team will disperse shortly and they will get smoked by ML in Hershey. Also to clarify, Hawks split with NL and lost by one to ML in NAL final.

Really? You’re shocked? I have never seen such ridiculous nonsense as the parents who post here. Pathetic clowns would be a compliment. You should be disgusted by your fellow “parents” ranking little boys playing a game.

Rankins

Igloo gonna take you downtown straight to China town fool...

Says the guy who’s on here commenting. Get a life

Heck yeah - gonna have to redo them rankins!

Hes not a bad dude at all. Actually a really nice guy. Please dont comment unless you actually know the person. 'Passionate' is better

I don’t know him personally but bad dude is a little strong. But “passionate” is not accurate either. I’ve known plenty of passionate coaches who don’t verbally berate and demean their players for an entire game. They are 10 years old. If he’s no longer there that’s a good thing.

Commenting because I can’t believe what absolute clowns you all are. Rating and comparing little boys. You’re serious?

Current 2031 "Rankins"

1 - Madlax
2 - Hawks
3 - Next Level
4 - Sweetlax
5 - Wolfpack Green
6 - Igloo
7 - 91 Titans
8 - S2S
9 - Rebels
10 - Express East

Not a bad person just a really bad coach.

Based on hoco migrations over the last 72 hours these “rankins” are already obsolete. Bottom 6 probably same — I defer to LI to rank their own — but top 5 tbd.

2 way is easily top 5 (not a 2 way dad)

If you are on this board commenting you are a clown like the rest of us. You can leave anytime lacrosse Karen.

That Ranking is FUNNY. 91 seriously, Rebels 9th 4-0 vs S2S 3-1 vs Igloo. NO 2 Way? Your rankings are a JOKE, Like you

If recent history has taught us anything, 2way can't be trusted and therefore can't be included... Cheaters..

I think the issue is that 3rd grade year doesn't count anymore and the rebels were losing in tournaments against weaker competition this past year. No amount of director cheap sales tactics can change that.

Stop trying to make yourself feel better, I’m here because it’s like watching a car weak. I cannot believe you’re actually proud of yourself. Do your kid a favor and get out of his life NOW! You’re warping that poor kid.

Who need 31 Stealth lose too??. Igloo once and 2 Way. 29-3 Record

Truth. 2 Way has had their number but a few 1 goal games. No one on LI currently close.

What’s up with the allegations of cheating by 2Way? Is there a real story there?

Re: Boys 2028 - 7th Grade Summer 2023
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes. They had 1 (maybe 2) players that were not in the qualifier roster that they brought, got called out for doing it, and still were allowed to play with the player(s). Add to that the team is a CT, NY, MA, PA, and NJ team that was mostly new players to the club/age group based out of Greenwich CT it was essentially an all-star team stretching the 100 mile rule pretty good. The program dumped ~10 players to bring on a group of kids from NJ who were all new to 2Way. These guys actually are worse than the Boston Blue Jays who at least didn’t pretend to be a club team. 2Way directors/coaches should be ashamed to have put those kids in that position. The team was booed and shouted at as “cheaters” after their win over Freedom. The entire stadium at the final was cheering for Express North over 2Way for obvious reasons. No wonder 2Way isn’t in the NAL or NLF.

This is 100% false. You need to get a grip lady. 2Way is holding a space in your head rent free.

<Dr Jeffrey Pelt voice> Igloo, you lost to Jersey Express? </Dr Jeffrey Pelt voice>

Rankings based on results…. No true horse in this race

1. 2Way
2. Madlax
3. Rebels
4. Annopolis Hawks
5. Wolfpack Green
6. Sweetlax Upstate
7. Next Level
8. Igloo
9. Jersey express
10. BBL Black
11. Laxxachussets black
12. Towerman
13. S2S
14. Express East
15. Team 91

Which teams at this age group isn’t coached by a “daddy coach” ?

. Figure 2way/madlax/rebels will all get better being the best teams in their respective regions

Have 2way or rebels played madlax this season?

Of the Long Island teams pretty much all have dad coaches in some capacity. Rebels and legacy don’t have dads as head coaches but have dads on the sideline. 91 is like 7 dad coaches. Pretty sure express, express east and igloo are dad coaches. I’m not sure about shore to shore.

Madlax 1 2Way and Rebels next. They Played 2 More one goal games this weekend. Igloo had a rough go. How will Madlax be with new Age rules. I think most are age eligible.

Rebels takes down 2way in champ game today. Another one goal game.

2 Way or rebels haven’t played madlax yet. Those top 3 are a toss up on any given day. (But won’t know till madlax gets in mix) Rebels beat madlax good last spring but that’s a long time ago.

Madlax guys come up north!!

I don't understand how 2way and rebels are top without having played other HOCO teams.

Madlax, Hawks, and NL are far superior to these little Long Island Teams. 2way may be able to compete but it's never the same team, history repeats itself. Rebels Directors need to stop coming on here and pumping their own tires. Igloo and the Rebels will be considered second-tier teams a year from now. 91 and Express will become representatives of Long Island in the top group. We aren't gonna travel to LI to play the Rebels!!! When was the last time the Rebels won a tournament or a game above 5th grade!!! Easy, NEVER!!!

Only good hoco teams at this age are next level and madlax. Until they all play each other then rebels, 2way, madlax, next level are all pretty even.

They’re 4th graders, you think John Tillman is grabbing a whistle to hold your 10 year olds hand? Get a grip clown.

Guess those theories of kids leaving Stealth and going to other programs did not work out. Tryouts off the charts with talent from those programs.

Snooze

Ok 91 dad coach. You seem worried

No one going to 91 at 2031, that team funds the program: playing town teams and B level teams. Any time they step into AA divison they get embarrassed. 7 Daddy coaches whose kids aren’t AA players. No thanks !

SL Florida will be moving up those Rankins lol. Breezed threw the Prime Time tourney

How are everyone's tryouts going? Does anyone really crack the existing rosters?

Please state WHO Rebels lost to this season.

How are everyone's tryouts going? Does anyone really crack the existing rosters?

The Rebels stealth team is full of absolute Dawgs. Good for them, don’t worry about these salty dad haters. 100% kings on LI and undoubtedly top 4 in country.