Use this thread to discuss lacrosse pertaining to 11th Grade Girls (2024 Grads) for the Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Season.

Reposting last post from previous SY:


Yes they did. Believe by more than a few goals each. Better matchup would be Ramos Vs Jesters Black

Just based on schedule alone TG 24 seems to challenge their girls much more than Liberty or Jesters. SS does not mind taking taking a loss/ losses to play stronger competition. The girls should all play against strong competition! Liberty seems to play well,but I feel like we never see them at strong tournaments. Of course I could be wrong. Like I said we never see them.
Curious:: :how is a game between YJ Ramos and Jesters 24 Black a good game? I understand that Jesters took them in fall, but that was sooo long ago. Jesters have been getting hammered all season against weak to very mediocre teams. Not sure why any team above the 70's should be in that conversation? I Realize rankings don't mean much to some people, but teams in the 70s v 20s are tough to beat consistently. Of course - underdog can beat a team on any given Sunday.

Look at the teams they both played this summer
Ramos vs. Primetime lost 3-13
Jesters Vs. primetime lost 5-8

Jesters can dynasty Zulu 10-4 win
Ramos vs dynasty Zulu 8-5 win

Ramos vs capital blue 1-10 loss
Jesters vs capital blue 6-9

Jesters vs. mass elite 4-9 loss
Ramos vs mass elite 4-11 loss


Those are some of the match ups they had again the same team. I would argue similar talent level as a team. Maybe Ramos has individual players who are great but don’t play well together?

As far as the teams these two have played, they have been in the same bracket almost every tournament with the same match ups. I’d pay to see them go against one another

Looking at the summer schedules the only teams that did not challenge themselves were programs b teams, 91, empire & YJ kildare. Played weak teams all summer with the exception of a few games

schedules are made at the behest of the program directors. not the coaches

This is a ridiculous argument and one that won’t stop. It’s the same person who is spreading this fake narrative.
Jesters is a lower tier and has been losing to mediocre and weak clubs throughout the summer. They are ranked in 70s and 80s along with 91 orange and YJ O’Sullivan.

Not OP but did look up both teams scores. They do seem comparable and the scores listed are facts.

Regardless of that I think it’s obvious you are a Ramos parent or coach trying to defend your brand. Saying that there is a false narrative and that your team is better than numerous others that you there under the bus, including the ones from your club, makes you guilty of what you want to blame everyone else for.

This website is full of people with opinions. Some right, some wrong, some based on no merit at all. The sooner you accept that these comments come from multiple people who will never agree the easier your life will get.

I can’t handle the Ramos defense when they had a really bad summer but are in here trying to talk bad about everyone else

Looking from the outside in, not sure if you understand how comparisons against similar competition works. But judging by those scores against the same high ranked teams, looks like those two squads stand on relatively similar ground.

It’s ironic that everyone complains about parent coaches and then also complains about non parent coaches. So you just don’t like anybody ?

Thank you to all the non-parent coaches giving up your entire summer for what I imagine is less than minimum wage. We appreciate you for showing up for our kids when you have no reason to other than for the love of the game.

I agree. Being an outsider and having stumbled upon these two teams they have very similar levels of play. The score/loss ratio at this age doesn’t matter. May just mean one team gave more equal time or that the rosters have a few kids who were given equal time who really should be cut

The HHH commited academy was a great tournament and opportunity for 24s to play with the commited girls from different schools. The tournament championship game was an awesome experience with UNC beating UVA in overtime. The girls had a blast being coached by the the college coaches.

This was meant for 23s

It was great to see 23's and 22's play with their future teammates. Having 3-5 24's on the rosters to fill them out and being coached by college coaches was amazing. Great event, recommend the 24's do it for the next 2 years if you can. Nice to see high level lacrosse games!

So HHH has a camp for the non committed younger players the day before the Games start. The coaches watch and pick who they want to fill in the next few days at the Committee games if their Team is short players. So the players chosen from the camp are the all stars.

Not true, the girls that played in the committed games were not limited to just the girls who made the All Star team. Many girls got the opportunity to play and it was an awesome experience!

If I hear one more jesters dad complain about the daddy coach I may lose my mind. Someone go tell your owners you want him gone instead of complaining about it once you’ve emptied your coolers. Literally 5-6 of you on sidelines complaining, in the hotel complaining. If you have a problem go speak up to your directors instead of grumbling about how his kid plays every minute of every game and refuses to pass.

Also, don’t you know by now every club has mommy and daddy ball? The owners will never cut them loose because there are no other non-parent coaches willing to take a crack at it.

Sorry, but the above post is a bit off. Also, the season is now over. Why so concerned about another teams coach?
What are you really trying to accomplish by your post? I heard the parent is a good coach, and a good man .... whatever you may have heard. Sad that others feel that they need to be involved in another teams doings. Unless you are actually a team parent ...hmmm - Maybe it’s you who needs to speak with the directors.

Will the college coaches basically be split this weekend between UA and American Select? Tough having two great events on same weekend for the girls all around. Good luck to all!!

Last year they spent the first two days at AS and the second two at UA. Most don’t stick around for AS playoffs, they bolt out of there pretty quick

Last year I saw Cindy Timchal, Cathy Reese, Julie Myers, and may others on the Friday at UA. They were all discussing a potential camp and how it would be cool if they could hold one on an island instead. Then Cindy made Cathy promise they could get a game on the schedule for 2022. It was fun to eavesdrop on that conversation.

Kinda sad really, that these two tournaments (UA 7 AS) had to compete for same dates. For all those years, AU was the place the elite players would end up for one last summer event. Making a team was a special accomplishment. Now you split those elite players, need to fill out the back half of the rosters, and they even have added more and multiple teams for each age group and area. Making a team with these two tournaments running, just became 4X easier and a whole lot less special. All they accomplished was to water down the collection of talent, making it even harder for the coaches to see the best players actually against the best players. Somebody is laughing all the way to the bank.

It is all very upsetting. Barely any coaches at UA today feels like you can’t win with either.

Bunch of coaches at UA today while I was there…. They may not all be under the “coaches tent” for the games, but lots of them around

There were no coaches at the UA game yesterday. I actually saw one. The Virginia coach. My daughter didn’t know who the other three were. Meanwhile at AS there were about 60 representing every big program

AS was packed with coaches yesterday.

I never understood why UA would shove the rising juniors with rising seniors. I know they made a "highlight" division to showcase the rising juniors, but it is hard to compete with AS which highlights all the rising juniors on a team instead of diluting them with rising seniors. Good for those seniors still needing to be seen at this point in the recruiting format, but I feel that UA needs to reformat the program to highlight the recruitable rising juniors. But then again, what do I know?


[quote=Anonymous]Kinda sad really, that these two tournaments (UA 7 AS) had to compete for same dates. For all those years, AU was the place the elite players would end up for one last summer event. Making a team was a special accomplishment. Now you split those elite players, need to fill out the back half of the rosters, and they even have added more and multiple teams for each age group and area.

looks like all the top 23/24/ and 25’s from long island went to UA.
Girls are 3-0 in both command and highlight.
AS looks like they were 2-14 overall yesterday.
Maybe the dilution poorly affected the AS

I'm sure they will be at UA on Saturday at the worst--let's not despair yet.

Also, LI Black at AS is 3-1. They don't exactly [Censored]...

You a partiality correct. The top ‘25 went to UA. Spallina’s team. But to be fair, the top ‘25s from other regions went to AS. As for the 23/24 group, ‘23s that wanted to play only had UA as an option as there was no ‘23 AS team from LI. Many to ‘23s didn’t even bother, better things to do. Top ‘24s absolutely went to AS, tons of head coaches blanket the sidelines at that event. The few 24s that did UA wasted their time. There are no coaches watching. The event is also not what it used to be. The best ‘23s from Connecticut and NJ are at AS, so. Competition really comes down to Baltimore and LI. AS destroyed UA

Club lacrosse each summer is all about recruiting for most, college coaches have a full schedule in the spring. American Select simply made the better mouse trap while Under Armour never adjusted for the better. All the current 2024 recruits are put together and allows the coaches to see 400+ recruits competing against each other in one place. The American Select event today was similiar to the recent G8 and LFC, but much less teams with more talent per team. Perfect model for recruiting. I'm sure Under Armour has 60+ quality 2024 recruits this weekend. If I'm a college coach, do you go see 400+ or 60+ possible recruits, no brainer!! 90% of the top 2024's are at American Select, the rosters and fool amount of top 50 D1 coaches attending tell the real story. That being said UA is a great event and will get many girls more exposure and lead to a college home. Good luck to all!

Not this year at AS. Levy and Trainor are standing right next to me watching the Maryland Semi Final.

For 25s Spallina had players on the black team and one on the gray team. They needed a break

If AS select can put together a senior game they will be ok. If not than players will need to go to UA to be able to play in that event. 25 and 26 was just another average tournament. 24 did it for recruiting. 23 had only 8 teams total. When parents realize they aren’t getting much benefit from this it will take a hit. Not really a better mousetrap. Delaware [Censored] for a tournament.

You don’t need to play UA to be selected for the senior game. You need to be a 5 star Inside Lacrosse recruit. Inside Lacrosse selects the the team. Traditionally the top players all did the UA underclass games, but things have changed. Next year you will see several girls on the UA senior team that never played UA

I wouldn’t bet on that. Kids that supported AS will certainly get shunned. You think CSE won’t have input in their own event ? Maybe AS can make a senior game for those that supported CR and CS ?

My daughter played on the California 2024 AS team. It was a ridiculously expensive event for us but she had a great time. She got to meet and play with a whole bunch of new girls that she didn’t know from other club teams. It was fun to watch them improve as the games went on as they learned to play with each other. Their coach gave equal play time so they all got equal exposure in front of the college coaches that were there for their bracket games. Too bad there weren’t any college coaches there for their quarter final game against LI Black.

If AS did have a senior game, would they charge $500?? Would it be the same day as the UA senior game? Neither organization would want girls to do both because they’re in a stand off. AS doesn’t need to do a senior game, it would cut into their profits

A quick follow-up on the UA Midwest teams that were discussed in the previous thread. The Command team came in at 2-3, losing to LI 10-5 (first game), beating Upstate (7-5), beating D.C. (11-9), then losing to South (15-5) and NJ (14-4). While not exactly the best showing (or comparable to the 2021 team). While not the best showing, it wasn't the disaster the Highlight team ran into, going 0-4, then beating the last place West team to come in 11th place. One solid mid/attack player for Skywalkers only saw time as a defender while the IL players (all 11 of them) lead the team to a poor showing.

What really drove this home was a beautiful tweet by the coaches, highlighting all 11 IL players to the IL Girls Lacrosse Coaches Association, many of them members of True IL. Maybe it's time for the Highlight coaches to step down, as 6 years of returning to the event has yielded poor picks and equal results. I'd like to say I am surprised, but I called it earlier based on how they picked their players.

I watched the UA Midwest team beat Upstate. They were a two girl team and had a very solid goalie. A great powerful draw girl and a super shifty small middie/attacker who were the best two players on the field by a mile. When you win 80% of the draws and only win by 2 goals, it is not a roster of a better roster process.

At least a third the girls on the UA Midwest team probably shouldn't have made the team. (Probably more since 1/3 of their roster didn't see the field). Fromwhat i heard most of them played for Lou Fusz and Triumph. Let's not pretend that the Command selection process was any less flawed than the Highlight one.

Also, even though Highlight went 1-4, they were competitive in all five pool games, unlike the Command team who got blown out twice. Reality is that since American Select divided the talent pool for the midwest barring a situation like 2021 where the midwest has 4 of the top 15 players in the country, the midwest just doesn't have the depth of talent to be competitive in both events held at the same time.

High light LI was the strongest team there except for Baltimore. Would have liked to see that championship game.

Don’t lose to Philly if you are the ‘strongest’.

We spoke to directors last year. They don’t change anything when it comes to him.

Not even my team and I know Philly got very lucky at UA.

Teams that underachieve always say that.

Looking at the Command roster, Triumph had two players on there. I believe Lou Fusz had 3 or maybe 4 players (one is a goalie). I think Lacrosse [Censored] managed to get more players on both teams than either club mentioned.

This is not just a jesters problem. Clubs refuse to pay non parent coaches what they need to to get them to coach. Majority of non parent coaches won’t coach for scraps and loose change unless you’re a college kid.

Who ended up winning at UA for Highlight and Command divisions? I Can’t find the results.

Baltimore won both

Not surprised! Congrats to Baltimore. AS was perhaps, one of the reasons the LI teams didn’t do better. Needed some of that talent that went to AS to make championship teams.

LI lost to Philly. So at best the rankings would be 1 Baltimore 2 Philly 3 LI

If all the best LI girls played in this game they would be the top team.

Or if the coach put the best girls on the field and not the club favorites, game would have been won easily. Coaching was the problem

To be honest the Highlight team was dominated by 2023s, I don't think any of the 24s at AS would have really moved the needle much. Now command probably a different story.

That could be said for all teams including Baltimore. The best LI 25 was there. Maybe the kids that keep supporting AS get left out of Senior game. Those parents will cry politics then too. UA should pick the girls that have supported their tournament.

Stop. Let me guess, your kid didn’t get the minutes she wanted? We watched all games and the Coach did a great job. You forget that same coach won it all last year. Maybe your kid should have done more when she was put on the field to help her team. Try self reflecting.

UA had all the LI top kids on Highlight and Command from what I saw, including one of the best 24’s I’ve seen play.

And will someone please satisfy Philly dad and tell the him they can be #2, even if both 1&3 are actually better teams.

Lol, bad coaching cost the game. Draw losses and inability to pass the ball being up by two with a few minutes to go. Ugly loss. Different game and players when LI beat PA handily on day 1. Sorry, bad coaching

I doubt it, because the top LI 24s were definitely at AS. Maybe if not, that could have been the difference maker to championship at UA?!

You mean the great 24 TG player who was benched along with the other AA during the semi? Head scratcher! The starting lineup was coaches favorites and a joke. Can’t win a tournament with politics. It went from YJ to Jesters. Bad look for LI

The li 24 that didn’t even make a championship at As?

The LI 24 team they put together was played evenly. The Team had a few girls on it that Maybe didn’t belong? If they put the team together they should have, people would have screamed politics towards a certain club.

If team there was coached to win it, I think they certainly could have. Lost games by 1 point. Team was being coached like a showcase with girls getting even playing time. It was after all, a showcase event.

The team that went on to win championship, played to win a championship. Played in the B bracket for easy ride to finals, then played best players in semis and championship games. LI did not do that.

UA needs to find coaches from LI that do not have such a vested interest with specific girls on the team. Find coaches from other LI age groups. Pay them if you have to. Then no one can complain that the coaches club girls were favored. Not sure if that was the case?

All the top 24 will try out for UA. There is no top age for AS. The 24 age group at America Select didn’t really get recruited at tournament. The coaches had seen them play all summer. If the coaches really cared they would have stayed to the end to watch all the playoffs and championship.

I just got back with my kid from Lake Placid Summit classic tournament. It was a last minute add for us so I hadn't paid a lot of attention to the rosters/schedule until I was there.

In addition to the regular local-ish New York, New England teams (Spallina, Storm, 3D, Salt City, etc) I noticed that there was an entire division of teams for college hopefuls/commits from all over the country. Teams like Baby Blues (UNC), Baby Saplings (Stanford), Ydogs (Yale). Given that each college only recruits a handful or two of players each year, how are there enough recruits to field an entire team?

Can anyone shed light on how this works - are girls on these teams selectively invited and coached by the regular lax coach? Is this seen as a potential way for college coaches to actually coach and interact with high schoolers? There was absolutely no evidence of any official recruiting (coach zones, VIP coach tent etc), just a thousand or so high school lax players.

UA needs to find coaches from LI that do not have such a vested interest with specific girls on the team. Find coaches from other LI age groups. Pay them if you have to. Then no one can complain that the coaches club girls were favored. Not sure if that was the case?[/quote]

Everyone is just trying to advance their own interests.

Is it to advance a club? Is it to get certain players awards? Is it because of favorable player, Coach relationships? The answer will always be yes in the current system. There were multiple girls that were having a good tournament, some played a little and some didn’t play at all in the final game. They played as a team up until the semis and beat everyone handily.

Some players were micro managed and others were allowed to do whatever they wanted. Resulted in selfish play, turnovers, bad shots, bad defensive rotations and silly mistakes down the stretch. Nature of these tournaments in this format. The girls tried hard, very talented team and tournament wasted in the end.

It is easy to say “play better to see the field” but the fact of the matter each line made plays to win games throughout the tournament. Even in the semifinal game the 2nd line took a 7-7 game and made it 10-7 before the eventual 11-10 loss in the 3 minutes they played the 2nd half. All could use some self reflection.

Was there any college coaches in Lake Placid doing recruiting?

No recruiting in Lake Placid. This tournament is a celebration of lacrosse, what its all about.. Youth and HS teams play Mon-Wed and then adults play Thurs-Sun. Its by far the best tourney i have been to in terms of location, quality of fields, friendly vibe, off field activities. Cant wait to go back. Maybe the toughest tournament in the country to get a team into as well. The spots in this tournament are highly coveted.

Lake Placid is not a recruiting event. Coaches are not allowed to recruit there. The college teams do it for team building. It’s a no pressure fun event. Same for the other age groups. It is a beautiful town, and all the kids hang out together at night. Only negative is that it is extremely pricey

Everyone is just trying to advance their own interests.

Is it to advance a club? Is it to get certain players awards? Is it because of favorable player, Coach relationships? The answer will always be yes in the current system. There were multiple girls that were having a good tournament, some played a little and some didn’t play at all in the final game. They played as a team up until the semis and beat everyone handily.

Some players were micro managed and others were allowed to do whatever they wanted. Resulted in selfish play, turnovers, bad shots, bad defensive rotations and silly mistakes down the stretch. Nature of these tournaments in this format. The girls tried hard, very talented team and tournament wasted in the end.

It is easy to say “play better to see the field” but the fact of the matter each line made plays to win games throughout the tournament. Even in the semifinal game the 2nd line took a 7-7 game and made it 10-7 before the eventual 11-10 loss in the 3 minutes they played the 2nd half. All could use some self reflection.[/quote]

Yes. Best players need to be on the field to win games. Not the case. Favorites were left out too long, and made crucial mistakes at the end of the game leading to an ugly loss. Like watching a slow motion car weak. A shame that this is yet another event ruined by politics.

Actually they won last year in spite of the coaching. Ask the 2022 players on the team.

Also, the team that won was basically a club team. All but three girls play on the same club and none of their top players did UA instead. As long as the format stays the same, Connecticut should always be the favorite at the upper age groups.

If you include "guest players" Triumph had 7 or 8 on the roster. Lots of the Ohio players guest played for Triumph the weekend before. Coincidence or not?

Yes, you can basically say the 24 Grizzlies won the championship. It was mostly their A team for CT. They were also playing to win and not playing girls evenly. With that said, LI only lost to them by 1 playing showcase format and with a mixed club team.

Your mistake for thinking this is a showcase. It’s a championship tournament. Play the best to win. Cut roster down to 20 and 2 weaker players are gone. Makes everything easier. You play to win the game. The Grizzlies did.

Somebody should have told the LI coaches that. I think they wanted to make sure all the 24s had an equal chance to play in front of the college coaches. Because, we all know the college coaches do not care about the scores.

The Grizzlies did play to win. They started by putting themselves in the B bracket to play weaker teams to get to the finals. That wasn’t fair to the B bracket teams or the tournament . That shouldn’t have been allowed! Shame on them. Steps did it to. At least LI played in the hardest bracket right from the start.

Is it because Levy’s daughter plays for Maryland?

It is a showcase. There really should not be a championship. It’s the last chance girls get to impress college coaches before September. That why people pay $700+. How would you feel if you laid out all that money and your daughter was benched because the coach wanted to win a game, and the coach of the college she wanted was sitting on the sidelines? Now you are correct that Grizzlies play to win, they did last year too, and brought their whole ‘23 group who are all committed back to do it again. I believe the joke is on them because they paid ridiculous money to win a tournament that doesn’t matter for them. Maybe that money could have better spent to help a worthwhile charity than to win a tournament nobody cares about. Many regions including LI didn’t even have a ‘23 group because it was a total waste of money. Now for the 24s, the black team was virtually all YJA, so you really can’t complain that the Connecticut won because they had their whole Grizzlies team because LI did the same thing, they just were not as good. It really doesn’t matter who won AS. Only thing that matters is how your daughter played in front of the coaches. Good luck on September 1!

Not sure if it would’ve mattered cutting the roster down. Team LI is a good team. They beat everyone except upstate which is monsters essentially and barely lost to CT (grizzlies). CT goalie was a beast. She stopped everything. This team was better than Weiner alone but probably not powered enough to win it all. LI was fine as a team. Just got unlucky. They could’ve beaten CT if their goalie was not made out to be a wall. Li outshot cT easily.

It is a showcase in front of the coaches. But he championship playoff bracket is about the medal. That being said, I think most if not all of the parents were happy with the way it was done. Everyone played equally. No one felt that they wasted their time and money coming to this event. Everyone felt they belonged on that team. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen parents pissed off about not getting playing time and what a notIntelligent event such and such was cuz they didn’t get their kid on the field. Did some kids make mistakes? Sure but it happens.

Also I can’t tell you how big of jerks the CT parents were on the sidelines. STFU. Even the ref was getting pissed at them. I thought I got passed this in 5th grade lacrosse. Didn’t expect to see this at this level of lacrosse.

No,It was not virtually all YJA (check roster). The YJA team has beat Grizzlies before and prob. Would have again if it were play to win. I think that AS / LI team would have beat them as well, if it were play to win.

LI lost by 1 goal. If it were championship play where you left your “finishers” in more, It would have been a different game. The CT goalie was very good, and it does come down to who is shooting on you. At least LI parents walked away feeling their kids had a chance to play and be seen and seemed happy with that. The CT parents were obnoxious and entitled acting and prob. Went back to the country club to celebrate.

Again, CT and Steps should be embarrassed entering themselves in the B bracket to beat up on some teams to look good in front of college coaches. Very, very selfish and entitled move!

It was advertised as a Championship.
Tryouts to make the best team for each region.
Have you ever asked a college coach if they like seeing kids play to win or just play in a showcase ?
Colleges have seen these kids all summer and my bet is got no new evaluation of anyone.
Save your money next year and go to a camp of the school you want to be seen at. Just cause you go to camp doesn’t mean they will offer you and neither would playing 5 more minutes in a game.
Watch the girls that played the most for all teams be the first recruited from all areas.
What will you do when your daughter doesn’t get on the field equally in college?
These kids need to figure out there are no guarantees and no equal time. I never read this was promised anyway.

Yes. Best players need to be on the field to win games. Not the case. Favorites were left out too long, and made crucial mistakes at the end of the game leading to an ugly loss. Like watching a slow motion car weak. A shame that this is yet another event ruined by politics.[/quote]

Not sure how you blame the coaches when the one MEMEMEME player held the ball instead of moving it {which she did all tourney} up 3 and got it checked and let PA back in it.
Not to be too harsh but that game was won, and selfish plays was the demise of LI, not coaching! The young coach who played at NW is loved and respected by the players…. Players NEED some accountability and parents are the blame…..Look in the mirror, stop Blaming coaches..
And hats off to Philly for not quitting and taking advantage of the island mistakes.

on the girls sides, barely and those that were there were D3. Many more on the boys side.

Have you ever asked a college coach if they like A teams who intentionally play B teams ti make their players look better and to showboat? Play the A teams, period!

Again, CT and Steps should be embarrassed entering themselves in the B bracket to beat up on some teams to look good in front of college coaches. Very, very selfish and entitled move!

You think Steps and Grizzlies care when you all pony up a $1000 to be on a team. They are sad all the way to the bank.

Not sure how you blame the coaches when the one MEMEMEME player held the ball instead of moving it {which she did all tourney} up 3 and got it checked and let PA back in it.
Not to be too harsh but that game was won, and selfish plays was the demise of LI, not coaching! The young coach who played at NW is loved and respected by the players…. Players NEED some accountability and parents are the blame…..Look in the mirror, stop Blaming coaches..
And hats off to Philly for not quitting and taking advantage of the island mistakes.[/quote]

To be fair, the fundamental problem with AS is the selection process. No matter the sport, when a team is selected by folks who aren't coaching it, there will be problems. This is why the level of play tends to be better at under armor. Politics aside, the coaches pick their full roster (as opposed to just picking last 4 in American select).

Not sure how you blame the coaches when the one MEMEMEME player held the ball instead of moving it {which she did all tourney} up 3 and got it checked and let PA back in it.
Not to be too harsh but that game was won, and selfish plays was the demise of LI, not coaching! The young coach who played at NW is loved and respected by the players…. Players NEED some accountability and parents are the blame…..Look in the mirror, stop Blaming coaches..
And hats off to Philly for not quitting and taking advantage of the island mistakes.[/quote]

That’s why it’s on the coaches. My daughter loved the coach, but she did not make good decisions in the final stretch of that game. Selfish players cost the game that was won by players on the bench. Too much sloppy cradling playing not to lose and weak draw circle. Changes should have been made.

Don’t agree with the majority here. Seems like people are upset for all different reasons. Whether their kid was left off a roster or who is being showcased…..

Have a different experience. At AS Daughter wasn’t on the team doing the selection. Received All Tournament First Team. So as far as we are concerned was fine. I’m sure everyones experience is different.

Changes should have been made.

Says the mommy that never coached a game.

Are you talking about the LI Black team at American Select that was tied 4-4 at half time and only beat California 9-7 in the quarter finals?

LI Highlite UA coaches were in it to win 2Nd half.
Ist half did the right thing playing all pretty equal like they did the entire tournament. Second 1/2, 1st line draw girl went on a streak and LI went up by 3. Coaches kept the hot players on the field, draw and attack. 10-7 with 3 mins to go refs change their foul calling and hand Philly 4 straight free pos. And LI goes man down. Ugly loss. LI goalies didn’t make a single save. Very Strong 1st mid line, decent 2nd. Very good defense and 4 of the top attackers in the 23 class.

You forgot to mention how the first line “”hot” players lost a game that was won. Nobody “changed” foul calls. Shooting balls after whistle, losing too many crucial draws at end to stop the run, cross checking to head yellow, dropping the ball because you cradle too many times are all mistakes that should not happen if you want to win a game. If your “best” players can’t pass the ball around without turning it over to kill a few minutes with a two goal lead…. Maybe they’re not your best players?

When do they release the UA all tournament team?

Stop. There was no “run” at the end. All 8 meter fouls called at the 12 or 15 that were not called earlier. Agreed about yellow card and the shot after whistle. Draw wings lost some battles when Draw girl didn’t self draw after going on that run to put them up 10-7. Tons of talent on the field and on the sidelines and they all played a big role all week. Move on. I’m sure your kid is going to a fantastic school. Congrats to all

Lots of the complaints here are driven by poor roster construction, especially for the red and grey teams.

When you have 11 middies and 5 D on a roster, guess what - there are going to be a lot of unhappy middies on the roster. If you wanted to play more, you should have tried out for another position, or just be better.

Predictions on what's going to happen September 1? Who's going where?

Lots will be determined in the last chance camps over the next 3 weeks. I know lots of LI girls will be going to the Duke and UVA camps .

Nothing will happen Sept 1 except calls. As visits happen throughout September, we will a few, maybe 5-8 commit to top 20 schools. There are a lot of good lacrosse players out there that don’t live on LI, which will prove to be a rude awakening for many LI folks as these girls secure to most sought after commitments. Good news is that there are a ton of lax programs, so anyone who wants to play in college can

AS 24' Black team complete political joke... 19 of the 23 players from the same club... 4 from another club.... where were the coaches from? Who runs AS?

Selfish play will always hurt a team and it is ugly to watch.

AS 24' Black team complete political joke... 19 of the 23 players from the same club... 4 from another club.... where were the coaches from? Who runs AS?

Selfish play will always hurt a team and it is ugly to watch.


The whole AS and UA is the same in the selection process. Almost every team at AS had 75% of the regions top club making the roster. On surface, you would think that makes sense. Top team in the region is going to have the majority of kids on a regional team. If your kid isn't on that team it stinks if she's not selected to get the other 4-6 spots. . My daughter made Selects and wasn't from one of the host teams. Splitting hairs when you say one girl should be getting it over another. Every girl on this team was really good. Could there be more girls from my daughters club team making the select team, of course. But they were not much different than all the girls there. If your kid didn't make it, should have sent her to the Maryland Showcase. Same coaches went there as they did UA and AS. .

Coaches have their lists and rankings based on watching girls play all summer. Going to a camp will change this.

BS! No coaches at Md Showcase. That event is worthless unless you are going D3. AS is not better than UA. UA is not better than AS. One is just way cheaper. Rosters are too big for both.

Two years ago we went. Plenty of D1 teams there. Still think there was over 30 D1 teams there. Let's be honest, if someone's daughter was going top 15, she would have made one of the UA or AS teams. Respectfully

Two years ago we went. Plenty of D1 teams there. Still think there was over 30 D1 teams there. Let's be honest, if someone's daughter was going top 15, she would have made one of the UA or AS teams. Respectfully[/quote]

And the point wasn't so much about the Maryland Showcase. If your kid doesn't make it UA or AS, just go to a different showcase where there is a large number of schools on her list.

It likely won't add girls to the list but it can get the list narrowed down to see who gets offered in early September. Also, it shows who is serious about the school since many of the camps overlap.

Top LI 24 kids to Stony Brook !

The coaches at the top programs, the top 10-20 programs have their lists prioritized. When the top kids start committing all of the coaches will adjust their lists, this process will continue for months. Coaches know the players that they want and they will let the players know by making an offer right away. If a coach is talking to your daughter and not making an offer it is because the coach has other players ranked higher than your daughter and is waiting to see if they can get the other players. Recruiting is not rocket science and it does not take a coach long to determine if they want a player based on her ability but sometimes the player personality comes into play. good luck to all, enjoy the ride, most will end up where they are supposed to be.

Most commit classes have 6-8 girls, and the commit teams are usually 2 years (12-16 girls between 2022-2023 classes) plus maybe a few other players/commits from other schools/friends, etc, to fill out the team if needed. It's a chance for the incoming girls to get to play together and get to know each other before they go to school. College coaches usually aren't there for the girls (think it's a dead period), although many do the Philly tournament in late July. It's a chance to see their commits play and get to know them before coming to campus. While the lax at LP is decent, it is much more of a social/team building experience for the commits.

Does anyone have any feedback they can share regarding the end of summer clinics. Pre-Covid all of August was a dead period and now there all all of these prospect days prior to 9/1. If your daughter has interest from schools, do they really need to go to these? I think this was a new thing with the 23's last year. Just trying to navigate this final stretch and with fall sports season being underway late August.

The coach will let you know to come for the last look camp if they are serious about your player. If you are too tier- you will know you are.

Clown Comment!

Varies school by school. For some schools, it is a cash grab or opp to get early look at 25s. For others, it is a critical event.

If it is critical, they will let your club director know. One ACC school in particular fully expects all top recruiting targets to attend

Doesn't make it inaccurate. No one likes to hear it, but almost all of the Stony's top recruits don't have the academics to get into other perennial top 20 programs.

There is a reason Gary Gait used to call it LICC when recruiting. (Long Island Community College).

The following is such an ignorant and foolish statement:

"Stony's top recruits don't have the academics to get into other perennial top 20 programs."

While I have no idea what type of grades SBU's Top Recruits have, I do know that the majority of Perennial Top 20 Programs have the ability to get just about any "Top Recruit" through admissions.

Perennial Top 20

Maryland
North Carolina
Boston College
Northwestern
Syracuse
Stony Brook
Florida
Princeton
Virginia
Notre Dame
Penn

others that are often Top 20:

Loyola
Duke
James Madison
Penn State
Denver
Stanford
USC
UMass

Maybe a couple of others as well.... But those are the majority of the teams that regularly finish the season ranked in the top 20 over the past 10 years or so...

The majority of the schools listed above have tremendous latitude when it comes to admissions...

You paint with a very broad brush. You are not getting into an Ivy, Stanford, ND, or Duke without a 1300-1400 SAT (depending on the school, some don’t require scores anymore) and very high grades all As, maybe one B, and in advanced HS courses. If you think differently, you are misinformed. As for the other schools you mentioned, they can get anyone in. A girl who is a a high level recruit and meets high level academic criteria has more choices. She can choose from a school that has a legit chance at a NC like MD, UNC, BC and major in lacrosse, or she can choose a high level academic school that has competitive lacrosse and the ability to pursue a major that gives opportunity to secure a life changing job. Everyone has different priorities, but if you have the grades, you have more options.

Of that list, here are the schools that a player with a 3.2 GPA and 1050 SAT can get into

- Stony
- Maryland
- Umass
- Loyola
- JMU
- Syracuse
- Umass (though im not sure they are perenniel top 20)
- Penn State

And for the schools that may make "exceptions" it is usually one exception per class, not across the entire recruiting class. If you hear stories of kids getting admitted with less, its usually because there are a member of an underrepresented group. If you don't believe me, go to the Maryland board and read about a 2022 UA All-american who couldnt get into her dream school UNC because of grades


While I don't think Stony academics are as bad as its reputation, it is definitely not in the same level as a large majority of the normal top 15-20.

Not the poster that you are responding to but... Talk about misinformed... Not all "Ivy's" have the same admission standards, and only Penn and Princeton are traditionally Top 10 - 20 lacrosse programs. Stanford obviously has pull with admissions as does ND and Duke as well as Northwestern. Not long ago there was an email posted on here stating that SAT below 1200 would be cause for concern at Duke but it didn't say the coach couldn't get the Student Athlete in.

If you have been told by a college coach at any of the top academic schools that you must have a minimum of 1300 SAT your daughter is not a Top Tier Recruit. Sure the recruits at the Top academic institutions need excellent academic credentials but you are the the one painting with a broad brush. Attempting to diminish schools like MD, UNC and BC is laughable, they are all excellent schools.

If you are a Top Tier Recruit with good grades you can go pretty much go to any "Lacrosse School", if you have excellent grades but are an average / good lacrosse player you will be more limited... Just about all of the schools listed as Top 20 lacrosse schools have excellent academics and can help get the graduate a great job in the field that they are interested in.

Every program has a Top Recruit and a Bottom Recruit and the academic credentials for each are not the same. Even at schools that have "athletic/lacrosse slots" there can be a difference in what grades the recruit needs. The better the player/athlete the more room the coach has.

The fact that you think MD and UNC are in the same conversation as Yale, Stanford, Penn, Princeton, etc. show how delusional you are. You are not getting into those schools with 1200 SAT and mediocre academics no matter how good you are at lacrosse. I know many who attended and currently attend those schools and I am well aware of how it works. Why do you think the best and brightest young people dream of being admitted to a top 10 school. It’s because the opportunities are life changing. I am not diminishing the other schools at all. I have one child who graduated from a Big 10, and one from an Ivy. Huge difference in opportunities and connections. Now, playing for a national championship is a dream for many, and the schools in that conversation are all decent academic schools, but the pressure put on the players is much greater as well. Everyone is different and has different priorities. Getting to play in college is a special gift no matter what school you choose.

Not a single post said MD and UNC were equivalent to Yale, Stanford, Penn, Princeton etc... You are painting with a broad brush again... Cornell is not Princeton or Yale and Ohio State is not Northwestern or Hopkins.... You do not seem well aware of anything except your own opinion.

Nor did anyone say that you could get into the elite schools with "mediocre academics". The fact is that not every recruited student athlete needs the same academic credentials even at the top academic schools. The number 1 recruit does not need the same grades and test scores as the number 9 recruit.

The number 1 recruit does not get into Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Penn, Stanford without at least a 1300 SAT and A average in honors classes. If someone “told you” different, they are not being truthful. You do not get into the best academic schools with mediocre academics no matter how good you are at lacrosse. You do realize that students with perfect SATs, 5s on all APs and 4.0 GPA are turned away from these schools in droves. A kid should consider it a gift to be admitted with a weak 1300 and A- average.

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The above is just the opinion of someone who paints with a broad brush, it is not fact. They seem to focus on the same 1300 SAT score as if it is a "fact" that no recruits get into elite schools with SAT scores below 1300 (they do) They also keep repeating that you do not get into the top schools with "mediocre academics" which of course there has not been a single post suggesting that you can get into a top school with mediocre grades. My guess is that the poster has either not gone through the recruiting process but if they have they have not gone through it with a legitimate Top Tier recruit. Remember, as an earlier post points out: Every school has a top recruit (number 1 recruit) and a bottom recruit (number 8,9,10 or whatever). Recruits are not all considered equal by the coach and the number 1 will not need the same academics as the number 9. The Ivy's use their "academic index" the index is based off of each schools overall student body and the "index score" required varies from school to school. (if you are not familiar with the Ivy academic index and how it is derived and how it is applied to athletic recruits I suggest that you google it. Duke works off of "Athletic Slots" the coach gets a certain number of "slots" (most likely around 8) the slots are used for athletes who fall below the normal academic requirements for admission. Below 1200 would be cause for concern but not a deal breaker. Northwestern (at least a few years ago) could pretty much bring in whoever they wanted with no set number of slots (obviously the coach does not bring in students who have not demonstrated that they will be able to handle the workload as that would not benefit the player of the team). All of the Top Tier academic schools have their own way of dealing with admissions for student athletes, they also have different academic requirements for their recruits. One athlete might be able to get into Princeton with a 28 ACT score while an athlete in the same recruiting class may be required to have a 33 or 34 ACT score. Remember, there is always a Top and Bottom Recruit in each recruiting class.

My older daughter was a top recruit. She was contacted by several top programs Sept 1 and made 6 (5 official) visits before committing. She was told she was first on the depth chart was offered a spot at each visit while there. Three coaches made home visits. She worked very hard and we are proud and blessed. Princeton and Yale said they were looking for 1400 SAT and an A average with honors classes, but they would work with my daughter. Northwestern did not seemed at all concerned with her grades. Stanford said if you get a B, it could be a big problem and some recruits have not gotten in with a B, they do not currently require SATs, so that is new there. UNC and UVA were not super concerned about grades. Every school is different, but this was our experience as a top tier recruit. The very top academic schools are very concerned that all their recruits meet a certain criteria. I also have a son who played at an Ivy who was a top tier recruit, with a home visit as well, He was told he needed a 1300 minimum. He eventually was admitted with a 1290. It’s academics first, sports second. If you really want to believe your daughter is getting into a top 5 academic school with a 1200 SAT, good luck with that!

Below is from when my oldest son went through the process, it was shared with us by Duke a number of years ago. (for top recruits it may be easier at an Ivy because they work off of an "average AI" so if the coach brings in a few kids with perfect scores it will bring the average AI up helping an athlete that is below the average). Pay close attention the the last section "Red Flags".

Duke Lacrosse Recruiting Prospectus

As a top academic school that is committed to competing for the ACC and NCAA Championship every year, we choose to take a very calculated approach to the recruiting process.
We feel strongly that our approach has played a major part in the success of our program as well as the academic, athletic and personal success of our many players.

We are highly selective in our recruiting process and take enormous pride in the team culture and chemistry that exists within our program.
We place tremendous emphasis on getting to know our prospects and their families during the recruiting process. This experience has proven critical in finding players who will be happy and successful
student-athletes at Duke University.

When evaluating prospective student-athletes for our program,
there are four major components that we factor in:

Academic Fit
Athletic Fit
Personal Fit
Interest in Duke.

ACADEMIC FIT

Our admissions process plays a critical role in our recruiting process. We have between 7-10 spots to work with each year. Prospective student-athletes must fall within the parameters set by our admissions office to be considered for an athletic admissions “spot".
These parameters are as follows:
3.2-GPA or higher
1200 SAT
26 ACT

GPA: Our admissions office prefers prospects with a GPA of at least a 3.2 in a challenging curriculum where students are enrolled in honors/AP courses or are on track to take these courses in their senior year.

SAT's: Again, with the recruiting process beginning so early, we recommend that prospects consider taking the exam earlier as well. In addition, it has been our experience that writing component of the exam makes the test longer and therefore more challenging for most students. We recommend that prospects plan to take their standardize tests THREE times--Fall, Winter, Spring—in their junior year. Options include taking a combination of SAT's as well as the ACT exam. Information as well as testing dates can be found at the following websites:

The sooner prospects take these exams, the sooner we will know if they will be a good academic fit for Duke. 

Red Flags:  Two issues that would be considered "red flags" in the admissions process would include:
Multiple C's in core courses (Math, English, Science, History)
A score below a 550 in either Critical Reading or Math

I thought many schools, even some of the Ivy's are test optional? Additionally I have heard some 2023s did not take SAT or ACT and still committed. These might be anomalous but interesting none the less. I would love for someone with good info weigh in on this.

This is laughable, I know for 100% fact as in, without question that the number 1 & 2 recruits can get in to at least 2 of the 5 schools named without a 1300 SAT and an A average in honors classes. Not sure how you would even claim to have such precise information on those 5 institutions. The admissions process is very fluid year to year and it is constantly evolving. If you think you can make an impact on the field and cut it in the classroom at the top institutions mentioned, then keep putting your best foot forward and see where you land.

This is 100% accurate

get off your high horse or quit smoking that stuff, you contradicted yourself with the 1290 which leads me to believe the rest of your story is not 100% accurate either. Coaches tell more than 1 kid they are the top recruit and I really don't think it is likely for someone to number one every one of those school's list. My guess is, if your story is accurate, then Princeton & Yale probably had her marked a little farther down the recruiting list list than they told you. Same for Stanford with the "B" - come on, you really think all their athletes have straight A's without a single B? that is absurd. I call BS here or at a minimum highly exaggerated.

What is a “home visit” all about? You said both your daughter and son had these. We’re these On 9/1 or after the official school visits?

Agree, I call BS as well.

Everyone knows that student athletes need excellent grades to get into a top academic school. However, every situation is different, every recruit is different, every recruiting class is different, every school is different, every coach and their relationship and credibility with admissions is different.

These are the Top 20 Universities (US News... Yeah I know there are other rankings) that field NCAA Division I Women's Lacrosse Teams:

1 - Princeton
2 - Harvard
5 - Yale
6 - Stanford
8 - Penn
9 - Duke
9 - Hopkins
9 - Northwestern
13 - Dartmouth
14 - Brown
14 - Vanderbilt
17 - Cornell
19 - Notre Dame

13 of the Top 20 Universities have opportunities for your daughter don't let some joker on here discourage you or your daughter. The above list is impressive but those schools are not the end all be all. There are many great opportunities for young women who want to play in college. Help your daughter find the right fit and do not get hung up on a particular school, there is a good fit for everyone.

Let the College Coaches tell you and your daughter what grades and test scores she needs, don't listen to what some parent says on here.

Good luck to everyone.

The coach or coaches come to your house and sit with you for a while trying to convince your daughter to come to their school/program. It is done by many coaches to try to lure their top ranked recruits to show how serious they are. They will call and make an appointment usually in the first week of September. We served some light food water/coffee

These are the Top 20 Universities (US News... Yeah I know there are other rankings) that field NCAA Division I Women's Lacrosse Teams:

1 - Princeton
2 - Harvard
5 - Yale
6 - Stanford
8 - Penn
9 - Duke
9 - Hopkins
9 - Northwestern
13 - Dartmouth
14 - Brown
14 - Vanderbilt
17 - Cornell
19 - Notre Dame


I’m pretty sure Columbia has D1 lacrosse and is ranked higher than Yale. At the D3 level you have top ranked MIT and U of Chicago as well

I have a child at a top Ivy school now. I would assume in a class of ~8, they were mid-tier w regard to desire from the coaching staff (they played/contributed as a freshman and continue to play). They attended a very highly regarded academic high school and when they gave their verbal, there was a call scheduled immediately between someone in the college admissions office and my child's academic advisor. A minimum 1350 SAT was required and my child was required to move, mid-semester, from one or two honors classes to the AP sections. From that point forward, it was AP all the way and A's were expected. I am talking about a consistent top 5 USN college here. Schools with big time athletic programs, FBS Football, D1 Basketball, etc with big budgets - UNC, ND, MD - have WAY more flexibility w regard to admission for their athletes. I would expect schools like Duke, Hopkins, N Western, Stanford to have expectations that fall somewhere between the highest Ivy's and a UNC, BC, etc.

Plus Berkley is usually top 20, fell to 22 last year. They have D1 lacrosse and will likely get better fast with their coaching change

Thank you! You confirmed my experience with recruiting . However, Stanford is the hardest school in the world to get into, so they are more on par with Princeton/Yale/Harvard/ Penn as admissions go. Duke, Hopkins, Northwestern, Cornell,Dartmouth, ND are quite a bit more flexible but still require high grades and scores, after that if the school really wants you, they can get you in

These are the Top 20 Universities (US News... Yeah I know there are other rankings) that field NCAA Division I or Division III Women's Lacrosse Teams:

Columbia has been unranked for 2022 by US News.

1 - Princeton
2 - Harvard
2 - MIT - DIII
5 - Yale
6 - Stanford
6 - University of Chicago - DIII
8 - Penn
9 - Duke
9 - Hopkins
9 - Northwestern
13 - Dartmouth
14 - Brown
14 - Vanderbilt
17 - Cornell
19 - Notre Dame

16 (including Columbia) of the Top 20 Universities offer opportunities for young women to compete at the college level. In addition to the schools listed there are many many great opportunities. Your job is to help your daughter find the right fit.

I'm sure the revenue sports like men's basketball and men's football get the most wiggle room at the top schools. Football coaches at Notre Dame have complained for 20+ years about expectations of national championships with rigid admissions relative to other top programs. These top universities are well aware of the SAT and grades of each incoming class because they are all ranked against each other. Lacrosse absolutely helps with the admissions, but the top academic schools work with sliding scales that varies for every girl and every year.

Thank you so much for those that have posted about their personal experiences! Keep the recruiting stuff coming!

While I agree with comments about leeway being given to a schools #1 vs #8 recruit, they still need to be a good student. At the end of the day D1 Lacrosse, if that is your daughters goal is a full time job. If your daughter is struggling to do well academically in high school, even if the rules are bent for her admission to a top school, how long do you think she will keep her head above water at a top academic school.

Good post. Only disagreement is around UVA. Their standards are nowhere near the other schools mentioned but they do care about grades. On the boys side, our high school had a great kid, all-american, 3.3 GPA, 1120 SATs who coach couldnt get in despire being on of his top 3 or 4 prosepcts.

Anybody here with older kids who went through this surprised by the schools that reached out/showed interest in your kid? Especially on Sept 1?

There are always surprises. Usually 5 or 6 you didn't expect and didn't write to and maybe 1 or 2 you expected but didn't reach out. The better the club director, the fewer surprises on 9/1. Oldest played on YJ and there was only one who we though would reach out, but didn't.

The real "surprises" usually come a week later when you find out who doesn't follow up after initial calls and don't make either offers or try to set up a visit.

Yes. Many surprises from schools that she was not in touch with at all. House visits were a big surprise too. You see that in the movies but you really don’t expect it until it happens. And it happens immediately. The coaches are in hotels on Long Island and want to come on sept 1.

I wouldn’t really call that a surprise. The coaches call or email their first 3-4 choices for each position on Sept 1. They obviously try to land their first choice, but as girls begin to commit, the list changes. No school gets all their top picks. So if a coach calls Sept 1 and seems very interested and sets up a visit, chances are other girls they’re interested will also be on that visit. Coach usually make an offer at the visit to her top, and tells the others that they will be in touch. If top girl commits, you will never hear from that coach again. My daughter had several offers but wanted to see a bunch of schools before she committed. This can be risky and extremely stressful too because coaches don’t want to lose other top choices while her top keeps her hanging, so taking multiple visits can backfire. Good luck!

You are right about Stanford. They have dk'd several girls from the mid-Atlantic region over the years. Girls who were committed and found out late first semester sr year that they had not gotten in. That is a tough spot to find oneself in.

They now don’t early admissions so athletes know where they stand before starting Sr. year. They give what is similar to a likely letter. I know one commit who was literally freaking out because she got one B, she eventually admitted with conditions.

Exactly. Many schools don't offer visits. They have all their committed girls take their official visit during their fall or winter camp.

Reality is, it is rare for a top school to offer a girl who has never been on their campus or a camp or prospect day.

Exactly. Many schools don't offer visits. They have all their committed girls take their official visit during their fall or winter camp.

Reality is it is rare for a top school to offer a girl who has been never on campus for a camp or prospect day.

My daughter went to two camps and played just okay at both. Wasn’t prepared for the ball hogging. One of the schools called Sept 1 and wrote a letter. She was probably the 2nd or third choice. Their first choice committed so that was that. The other school never contacted her, but several other much better lacrosse and academic schools did. She was offered official visits at 5 schools that people told us only recruit from camps, so that was a bit of a surprise. My daughter did email these schools regularly to express interest, so maybe that was a factor. She eventually committed to what was her first choice, so everything worked out. I would say that you really can’t listen to what other people tell you, because recruiting is different for everyone. These coaches are looking for very specific things, and you don’t know who may have been watching when your daughter caught their eye. My advice is to keep emailing the top 10 choices, have your club director reach out to the schools. Prioritize schools and try to set up visits in that order if possible (sometimes its, not which becomes tricky) If your daughter gets an offer at one of her top three, take it, because if you don’t it may be gone!

Great post. There is a big difference in timing between top 15 or so schools and everyone else. Top schools make offers first week of September because they don't want to lose recruits. Lesser schools will wait more, maybe have more camps, but ultimately want to see which top girls don't get a big time offer.

Some very Good post(s) on here regarding recruiting. Thank you to all the parents who have been through it, for taking the time to post and share their experiences and wisdom. It’s very much appreciated! As a parent trying to help my kid navigate recruiting, it’s been helpful in hearing your experiences. Thank you.

My daughter went to two camps and played just okay at both. Wasn’t prepared for the ball hogging. One of the schools called Sept 1 and wrote a letter. She was probably the 2nd or third choice. Their first choice committed so that was that. The other school never contacted her, but several other much better lacrosse and academic schools did. She was offered official visits at 5 schools that people told us only recruit from camps, so that was a bit of a surprise. My daughter did email these schools regularly to express interest, so maybe that was a factor. She eventually committed to what was her first choice, so everything worked out. I would say that you really can’t listen to what other people tell you, because recruiting is different for everyone. These coaches are looking for very specific things, and you don’t know who may have been watching when your daughter caught their eye. My advice is to keep emailing the top 10 choices, have your club director reach out to the schools. Prioritize schools and try to set up visits in that order if possible (sometimes its, not which becomes tricky) If your daughter gets an offer at one of her top three, take it, because if you don’t it may be gone!

Thank you for the post. A question regarding the emails. My daughter is a 2024 and she has been emailing about 15 schools regularly. The emails are basically updates on highlight videos, where her team is playing during tournament season, attending prospect camps and she sent an email regarding her school transcripts. Are there other emails she should be sending?
Thanks

You are definitely doing the right thing! Keep saying that the school is your daughters first or top 3 choice. Maybe add something about the school and how she sees her self fitting in. Ultimately, if they want her they will call even if you don’t do any of that. When the coaches she’s interested she contact your daughter, be extremely proactive in setting up the visit asap. When you are there, as a parent, be a little bit of a salesman. explain how your daughter will help the program, let them know they’re several other schools interested in her. Tell them why they need your daughter. Be knowledgeable about the current players and strengths and weaknesses of the program. With my daughter we had a good idea of who would call based on sports recruits hits, but there were a few surprises. Don’t rule anything out, and don’t appear desperate. If possible try to see a few schools before you decide, my daughter committed to the 5th school she visited which was a risk that worked out for us, but I don’t know if I would recommend that. If you see a bunch of schools, you definitely get a better idea of where she will fit in best. Good luck to all!

Thanks!

What was the correlation between sportsrecruits and phone calls? was there any distinguishable pattern? did the coaches look at profiles? watch full games? watch highlight videos? contact the club coach/director?........how many profiles views from the same school is a good sign? will/do any of the schools that only looked at your profile 1 time have serious interest?


also what do the short questionnaires from the coaches mean? - not the ones from the standard forms from the websites or they send. My daughter has received a small handful of very short questionnaires that ask for name and all contact info, a question or 2 about potential area of study, what she wants to get out of college, and they they all finally asked the same 2 questions....... where their school ranks on her list and then asks about availability for a visit & lists a few sept. dates with check boxes?

short questionnaires mean a higher level of interest. In terms of how high, it really varies school to school. Some send to 90, others send to 25 or 30.

We found sports recruits profile hits didn't mean much. Almost everyone she email went to sports recruits at least once or twice.

However, my daughter (per our recruiting director's recommendation) hosted her videos on a YouTube channel, not sports recruits. For sports recruits, she posted one video and a link to her YouTube site.

However, my daughter (per our recruiting director's recommendation) hosted her videos on a YouTube channel, not sports recruits. For sports recruits, she posted one video and a link to her YouTube site.

That's interesting. Did the Director explain why?

--- "When you are there, as a parent, be a little bit of a salesman. explain how your daughter will help the program, let them know they’re several other schools interested in her. Tell them why they need your daughter. Be knowledgeable about the current players and strengths and weaknesses of the program." ----

Telling is not selling... and if you think college coaches want your opinion on how your daughter will help their program or why they "need" your daughter you are delusional. Coaches do not want the opinion of parents when it comes to their program, their players or of the parents daughter.

Why? Because you said so? Worked out pretty well for us. Immediate offers from 5/5 official visits. But of course, you do you.

How about your daughter received offers due to the obvious fact (if you are being truthful) that the college coaches watched your daughter play and they liked what they saw, they believed that your daughter could help their program compete and they believed that your daughter would be a good fit.

Agree that college coaches could care less about the lacrosse related opinions of parents whether those opinions are of the parents child or the coaches program.

Anyone have details on the Inside Lacrosse Midnight Mania? Invite says 88 girls 7pm-midnight on 8/31 with all games streaming. Apparently they had a boys event the past few years. Sounds alot like that BS Juniors Open event. Anyone have more info? IL also hosts the Elite 8 so that takes out a bunch girls from the equation.

Empire bengals “A” team ranked 100 behind YJ D team and Top
Guns B team. What happened to this team? Didn’t they used to be a stronger group?

YJ O'Sullivan being ranked that low is a joke. they didn't play any fall tournaments due to CR & YJ policies of mixing the teams and limiting the number of girls that can play in the fall. There are a lot ot good girls on that team who should be getting looks from schools but aren't cause of the ranking IMO

It sounds like this event is replacing the Elite 8 that was played last year on August 31 for the 2023 age group.

Colleges don’t look at the rankings. They watch good teams. That’s why they aren’t getting looks.

Teams didn’t sign up for Elite 8. No benefit to top teams. They want to be home waiting for midnight instead of throwing money away and traveling to Maryland on a week night.

Facts. If you were a good team playing good teams they’d watch. Plenty of teams in the area who took risks and played hard teams and their rankings weren’t great but they got a heaping of looks because of their schedule - Ramos is a great example of this

So true. O’Sullivan parents needed to demand better division playing at tournaments. Play some better teams. If they can’t do it in same tourneys as the other 3 YJ/24 teams, they should have been at different tournaments.

I heard they canceled the Midnight Mania event too.

It is confirmed that it is canceled. We received an email a few hours ago. It was based on insufficient registration and club coach feedback. Not sure who they were expecting to attend anyway. I can't imagine any college coaches had any interest at all.

Here's a question. Is it better for your daughter to play on a top 10 team playing other top ranked teams every week? Or is your daughter better off being the best player on a second / third bracket team where she never comes off the field?

What are you saying? Look who Kildare played this summer (and fall!) with the exception to a single tournament they has a TERRIBLE lineup all summer.

Yes. Not enough brackets for 4 YJ teams to play in competitive games! If I were Kildare kids or O’Sullivan kids, I would be very disappointed after this past summer and the competition.

They either need to go to different tournaments to play top brackets or figure out how to get them some competition. A lot of games were blowouts and a complete waste of time this summer. I don’t think coaches want to sit and watch that? It benefits no one. Tourney Directors need to do a better job in scheduling. Especially in a recruiting year.

Your director requests their level. Put 2 teams in highest bracket and 2 more in 2nd highest. There are 5 levels. Blame your club only.

Unfortunately it’s too late now. Sept 1 is days away. Some of you should have stopped drinking YJ Koolaid a couple years ago and got your daughters on TG, Jesters or Legacy. Only YJ A team girls go to the best programs, with a few very rare exceptions.

How well attended were the weekends prospects days? Who is having events this weekend?

I agree that in the past mostly "A" girls went to top programs. However, the current A team has seen no movement since the pandemic. There are girls on all teams who could be on that "A" team and are simply better players than girls on the current team . College Coaches are there to assess the talent. Lets see what they have to say September 1.

About 70 24s at Notre Dame and 55 at Michigan.

The Notre Dame prospect day was completely stacked -- the championship game could have easily been a top 15 college game.

I counted 41 UA 150 girls from the team sheets.

Assuming she gets regular playing time at her preferred position then the first option by far.

if she is a middle who is playing mostly attack or defense on the top team, then I'd lean towards the second option.

What schools are having prospect days this weekend? Good luck to all going.

Duke, UVA, Syracuse, Ohio State, and Vanderbilt. Probably a few more I'm missing

I think the author is 100% correct, most college coaches make their decisions based on what the parents of the athletes think is best for their teams. Very little consideration is given to the actual athlete themselves or their body of work.

Agree, hearing that the new trend is to exclusively invite parents to school visits and have the student athletes stay home. While this may seem surprising to some, I know for a fact that D1 coaches have been waiting patiently all summer, listening to loud, vocal parents screaming on the sideline, and this is now their opportunity to learn from the experts in forming their recruiting class. They also want to hear what these same parents think about the other candidates they are considering offering, especially those on a rival club team. Like Nick Saban once said - trust this process. I'm certain this new format will result in championship caliber teams across all D1 ranks and equitable treatment among all recruits.

Do we think Long Island has the #1 recruit this year ?

How do you know who are UA150 girls from the sheets?

USC camp as well this weekend.

The Michigan camp was also stacked; not sure how many UA150s overall but my daughter's group of 20 had 3 commits, 3 M&D Blacks as well as several Hero's Green and Capital Blue. My guess is that many from the Michigan camp went to ND the next day.

For parents who have been through the recruiting process before, I was curious as to how often kids on the "second tier" list eventually get offers? I realize probably never for a UNC/BC/MD level school; but what about a #10-30 ranked program? Like many 2024 kids/parents we are pretty anxious right now but wanted to be prepared for what to expect on Thursday and beyond. Thanks in advance.

Also for veteran recruiting parents: if a college coach initiate a call to speak to your daughter's club/high school coach prior to 9/1, does that typically result in a phone call directly to your child in early Sept?

This 24 watchlist by long island lax journal is yet another joke. Theyre jsut trying to drum up supporters to buy into more of their overpriced events which sport no coaches, GREEDY.

No, and there are only about 2-3 5 star recruits

There is probably multiple “#1” recruits throughout the country. Depends on what a college is looking for. How do you define #1? Kind of hard to define that.

I think you have to realize that the recruiting process is unique to every athlete and school. Not all top recruits want to go to UNC/BC. Some want a very top academic school, some want to experience a different part of the country. For example, If you look at the past top recruits out of LI, like the Miller sisters, the both chose California schools, but could have gone anywhere they wanted. I think school like UVA, Duke, Northwestern, and ND offer those top academics as well as great lacrosse and are more attractive to many than a MD or UNC for those reasons. And some top girls want IVY for obvious reasons as well. So, if you take last year’s recruiting class as an example, schools like UNC/BC/MD will commit a few standouts within the first few weeks, but then you will see them commit a bunch or much lower ranked players from October to December. No school gets all the players they want.

So who is the number one recruit if not from LI?

Are you referring to a specific "second tier" "list"? Not sure exactly what you are asking.

10 - 30? That's a broad range, # 10 is a lot closer to Top 5 than Top 30....

No need to to be anxious, none of it is in your or your daughters control. The college coaches will go after and make offers to the players that they believe will help their program.

The majority of the Top 10-20 programs will be going after the same athletes on September 1st. Many other programs will also be trying to get the top players as well but it is the exception to the rule when non traditional Top 20 programs lands top talent.

Parents and players will finally find out where the player stands in relation to the rest of the 2024 class. Again, no need to be anxious, most of this process is beyond your (your daughters) control at this point. Just make sure the coaches at the schools that your daughter would like to go to are aware of her interest. Coaches want players who want to be there, if the coach has your daughter lumped in with 20 - 30 or more other players they will take the players who express a sincere desire to attend their school and play for their program over the kid who is indifferent.

The Top Players will pretty much be able to choose whatever school they want and when you look at the traditional Top 10 - 20 Programs those schools offer some incredible opportunities. IMHO, that is why there is not much parity in this sport, the top players rarely choose to go outside the traditional powers. The top recruits have a diverse group of excellent academic / athletic schools to choose from.... Take a look at the list below... why would a "top tier" student athlete choose a school outside of the list below? The reality is that the majority do not go outside the traditional powers.

Boston College
Maryland
North Carolina
Northwestern
Syracuse
Stony Brook
Princeton
Virginia
Florida
Penn
Notre Dame
JMU
Penn State
Duke
Loyola
Stanford
USC
Hopkins
UMass

The following have been in the mix as well in recent years:

Denver
Michigan
Arizona St

Navy offers an incredible opportunity for those who are interested in that commitment.

Clemson will be knocking on the door quickly.

Vanderbilt should stat to be a little better on a more consistent basis.

No disrespect to any program not listed... just rattled these off the top of my head. Just seems that the vast majority of the best players choose to go many of the schools listed above every year.

Obviously, the Top 5 - 10 programs get the lions share of the top players every year.

Expressed interest to
Club does not mean they will call. expressed interest could
Mean they’re second tier on their list or #1 on their list. Do not expect a call from all 20 schools that told your coach or recruiting coordinator they liked your kid

Well if there are the same 5 kids from ct schools want, once they commit the school goes to their 6th, then 7th, and so on. It really depends where the top players land and then other spots open. Also should recognize schools are taking 5-12 kids usually. 12 is a HUGE class. They may only need 2 attackers, so even if their number one choice goes elsewhere that only leaves one spot open to the next best kid

That is normally done by Inside Lacrosse. They will rank the girls. They now just do 5 stars for the best of the best. That willl happen after the commitments fall. Last year the Grizzlies attacker was ranked # 1 and a believe 2 or 3 LI girls were 5 star recruits.

While I agree with some of what you say. UMass over Michigan is strange. Nobody I know would choose UMass over Mich. And Clemson should already be on that list, considering the commits they have. You could also include Rutgers who has vastly improved.

Nope she’s on the CT Grizzlies

There is probably multiple “#1” recruits throughout the country. Depends on what a college is looking for. How do you define #1?

# 1 kid not coming from Long Island this year!

Agree about Clemson and Michigan over UMass but completely disagree about Rutgers. Rutgers isn’t a contender for this list solely because they have had improvement. It will be impossible for them to have a real chance of a national championship. They don’t attract the recruits needed to beat a MD/BC/UNC/NW. The school and location doesn’t have what is needed to compete with these other programs.

She will get a call at midnight or more likely a direct text. And a call will be scheduled for the morning

Not sure either is top recruit but CT Grizzlies do have two of the top: attack who made U16 team and tall blond middle are both contenders.

100s of girls will get calls and txts at midnight. It’s what happens on Sept 1. Then the top tier will commit by the end of Sept. Then everyone else will fill out the recruiting classes pretty much by the end of the year.

Yep. Rinse repeat. Every year

Not really a "Ranking" but Clemson has not played a single game yet and while I agree they will be competitive quickly no reason to believe that they will be more competitive than UMass has been.

Michigan has come on in recent years but not sure they ever finished the season ranked in the Top 20 prior to 2019.

Rutgers has been pretty good and ranked the past couple of years.

UMass and Denver seem to fly under the radar (with lacrosse parents) but both finish the season ranked in the Top 20 more than all but the Big Name Traditional Top 20.

As for a recruit selecting UMass over Michigan, to each her own. Umass can be very attractive to Massachusetts Residence in the same way that Stony Brook, Maryland and Penn State are for their in-state players.

At the end of the day, the programs listed are the programs that always seem to be ranked in the Top 20 at the end of the season.

Georgetown used to be in the mix and should be Top 20 every year, not sure what is going on there.

Michigan and Northwestern are the 2 top academic schools in the Big10. The Big 10 as a conference as a whole is only behind the Ivies. Amazing big schools flush with cash!

Rutgers is a clear top 10 program going forward for a long time.

M&D and Monsters' both have 2 great players each, all 4 are in the top player discussion. The NJ goalie can win games all by herself, amazing!

College football starts in full this weekend. Top tier girls will be visiting schools this weekend. Great atmosphere to see campus's in action. Last year some of top tier committed right after Labor Day. Would expect the same this year. Maryland, Florida, BC, Michigan, Virginia, Stanford, Duke, USC, and Syracuse all have home football games this weekend. UNC, Clemson, and ND are all away. Northwestern played this past Saturday in Ireland and next home game is 9/10. Can't see top tier girls still around at end of the month. Not saying it is right or wrong, and not sure it has ever happened, but would anyone be that surprised if a girl committed on 9/1?

DEWLAX has the goalie and a middie. Both made the Under 16. Will be off the board very quickly.

Why would you want to commit without a visit?

Great question and not sure and girls should enjoy this ride. Just guessing on a few fronts - being first (if never done before. On mens side, Brennan O"Neill who is a Junior at Duke this year originally committed to Penn State as an 8th grader when rules were different but why commit that early?). Money? NIL? Top tier has probably visited some of their top choices via the coaches play day or camp already? Girls already into Fall sport schedule? Etc...

Rutgers has been doing well but "clear Top 10 program" going forward might be a bit of a stretch. There are some really great schools that have had women's lacrosse for some time and they have really never been able to be competitive on a consistent basis. Although Hopkins is only in the Big 10 for Lacrosse it's another great academic school affiliated with The B1G... Add USC to the mix as well. Could ND & possibly Stanford Join The Big 10 in the future?

Until there are more kids playing the sport it is unlikely that we will see much of a change in the traditional Top 10-20, there is simply not enough talent out there.

That U16 is loaded with talent, but several top 2024's are not on the team. Never know who wanted to pay another fee for a try-out. There are a few surprise names on the U16 that may have had a real good combine, but that's why there is a combine. Just over 2 days away from ending all the speculation and having parents calling specific coaches clueless for not calling their girls Sept. 1.

OK CT Grizzly mom/dad. I’m sure each school has a definition of what their #1 recruit looks like depending on what they need. Their #1 is going to be a position they need. Many 24s are very good and hard to point to a clear #1. I’m sure a few LI girls are some schools #1s. We will all soon see.

Preseason rankings:

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/slideshow/2023-way-ahead-rankings-ilwomens-di-top-25/175?slide=0

If your daughter gets a call or text from one or more of these schools, I think good advice would be to set up visits to her top 5 in order (you get 5 officials), and see all 5 before you decide. Unless she absolutely falls in love, you really need to see the school with students on campus, talk to the coaches to see how she will fit in and if she likes their coaching style, and see what the $$ is. Looks can be deceiving. Also keep in mind that some schools like Stanford and Northwestern start later, so they may not be able to offer an official visit until students are on campus. There are so many aspects to consider when deciding on the school and the decision can be difficult. Good luck to all during this exciting time!

LMAO. Writes that as IL ranks Rutgers 8th in early rankings

My daughter is freaking out about 9/1. She’s getting more and more views every day on sports recruits unprovoked. Surely that has to be a good sign?

Do schools really call and email at midnight? Should she keep her phone on? What does she do if they call while she’s in class?

Interesting forum on Sports Recruits with d1 coaches. Love the “if your kid has moved on from our offer please let us know. We don’t want to find out on Instagram.” But in a previous segment the old get the hint. If you don’t hear from us for a few months Move on.

Although it was very informative I still don’t like the “respect the coaches and answer them promptly” because it certainly isn’t a two way street.

Not sure either is top recruit but CT Grizzlies do have two of the top: attack who made U16 team and tall blond middle are both contenders

M&D 3 USA middies are legit and another one of the top ones missed the summer with injury. She will go fast !
Monster attacker is awesome as Is Grizzlies attack and draw girls.
Dewlax does have a great goalie but nothing else special and the goalie needs help winning games va top teams.
Yj has one elite mid / attack. And a solid group around her.

They will call, text and email at midnight to set up phone calls for the morning and afternoon of September 1st. If a coach is very interested they will set up official visits.

One of the issues with the strike of midnight calls is the first call you pick up, you will be on the phone for 5-10 minutes with the asst or head coach, they will be looking to keep it short so they can continue to call other prospects. But the issue is, other coaches will likely be calling and you can't go answer those beeps while on the phone. They will all eventually get in touch with you, so in the end I guess it doesn't matter. Some helpful information from experience, my daughter spent 12:00 to 3:30-4:00AM on phone, answering E-mails, and texting. The next morning was very busy, starting at 7:00 AM for most of the rest of the day, it was continuing communications and making arrangements with any and all the coaches who had reached out. The coaches spend the first several days making house visits, then it turns into having recruits going to campus. She had no class on Sept 1st a couple years ago, so the next day was not an issue. If you expect your daughter to be a top tier recruit, it may very well be a good idea to take the day off from school (and work for parents) to take care of business. Also have your daughter ready with a few canned questions to ask the coaches. When a coach asks them if they have any questions, "no" or silence is not a good response. Also get a notebook and keep extremely good notes of everything discussed, details can get mixed up or hard to remember when you start talking to many coaches from different programs. Ask the coach if it is alright to use speaker phone on the call and let them know parents are there. Parents can take notes and let kids do the any and all of the talking. If you have interest from schools you know your daughter will not be considering, let them know as soon as you can and never burn those bridges, things may not work out on visits or freshman year, look at all the underclass players in the transfer portal, be respectful and keep all doors open for the future with respectful handling of recruiting interest. Exciting times for these kids, have fun with it and good luck to you all!

Yes, your daughter will probably be offered official visits by some schools, but others will just say they are interested but have other girls higher. That’s where it gets tricky. Your daughter may have serious interest from good schools, but not her dream school. If she gets an offer and doesn’t take it, it could be gone pretty quickly and then she left with nothing.

M&D 3 USA middies are legit and another one of the top ones missed the summer with injury. She will go fast !
Monster attacker is awesome as Is Grizzlies attack and draw girls.
Dewlax does have a great goalie but nothing else special and the goalie needs help winning games va top teams.
Yj has one elite mid / attack. And a solid group around her.[/quote]


The elite group of 2024’s from LI include YJ Wiener Girl and Top Gun Girl. The grizzly attacked and tall middie are also fantastic. The small monster girl is great along with the Dewlax goalie. The MnD middies are great. All these girls make up a elite group in the 2024’s and the USA U16 should be fun to watch!

Thanks coach. 🙄

M&D 3 USA middies are legit and another one of the top ones missed the summer with injury. She will go fast !
Monster attacker is awesome as Is Grizzlies attack and draw girls.
Dewlax does have a great goalie but nothing else special and the goalie needs help winning games va top teams.
Yj has one elite mid / attack. And a solid group around her.[/quote]


The elite group of 2024’s from LI include YJ Wiener Girl and Top Gun Girl. The grizzly attacked and tall middie are also fantastic. The small monster girl is great along with the Dewlax goalie. The MnD middies are great. All these girls make up a elite group in the 2024’s and the USA U16 should be fun to watch!

Views don't necessarily equal calls and offers. Coaches are simply cramming for their 9/1 exam.

Prior to receiving any calls know what's important to you and your daughter

1) Academics
2) Lax program
3) Location

Many schools will contact you. Make sure you know what's important to you.

How about $$??

Let the parents handle the money question, as the bill is on the parents.

Wow, you are right, good for them!

INSIDE LACROSSE TOP 10 LIST FOR 2023

1 UNC
2 Maryland
3 Northwestern
4 Boston College
5 Stony Brook
6 Syracuse
7 Florida
8 Rutgers
9 Denver
10 Stanford

Lol, that is a ridiculous thing to say. Many girls will come out of school with huge student loan debt. Money should be top on list, unless you are daddy Warbucks. The recruited athlete better understand what the bill will be. This becomes a huge consideration for most. Ivies are unaffordable to most middle class at 85k and no athletic money, schools like StonyBrook make college affordable even if there is no big scholarship. Just a couple examples.

Here is a recap of my daugher's recruiting process:
She is a '21, rated on the rise (50-100) by IL.
We were "lucky" to start the process early, since the jr year rule hadn't yet come into effect. My daughter went to school camps at most of her top targets.
She played for a club team that was ranked in / out of the top 10 - so she was able to play against all the top teams - which meant that all the various colleges watched them play over a 2+ year period.
Our club director guided us well to keeping an evolving top 20 target school list. She then worked diligently to get feedback from those schools - most, but not all, schools would let her know if they had interest.
My daughter went into 9/1 with a good sense of where there was mutual interest. On 9/1 she heard from most of those schools, a few disappeared and a few desirable ones popped up. Many others reached out where unfortunately she did not have much interest (due to academics and / or level of lacrosse). She spent a lot of time fielding all calls, being appreciative etc., and then calling all those coaches back to let them know of her position.
She was not recruited by the top few lacrosse programs, but was a solid target for the rest of the top 30 group.
On 9/1, a couple things to be aware of: generally the head coach calls the top targets, starting at the top top first thing in the AM. the top assistant will call the next group, etc. You can often read into where you are for them based on who calls and when.
For many of the schools at the top of my daughter's list - she was somewhere in the middle for them.
A few schools said things like "we are moving a little slowly" when it came to scheduling visits, in hindsight that was code for "we are targeting a few others at your position, and are not yet ready to offer you".
Also, many schools did unofficials, leaving official visits for the committed class to do together at a later time.
The school where my daughter ended up was one of her top targets, the coach gave her time to decide, and fortunately it all worked out.
Hope this is useful.

Question: If a coach invites your 2024 daughter for an unofficial visit within in the next 4 months. What % chance of her being offered a spot on the visit is?? I'm sure people may have many comments, I hope they do.

Thank you for taking the time to post! Very helpful
And appreciated!

My daughters first visit was unofficial to an Ivy because it was so close. There were a few girls there, all unofficial. My daughter received an offer and ultimately did not go there, another girl committed that day.

Thanks. Awesome post.

Good for Rutgers, they have been pretty good the past couple of years. That said, to assume that they will be a Top 10 program for a long time to come just might be a stretch. Anything is possible but that "Perennial Top 10" has been a very difficult group to break into. Ask Notre Dame how all of those "Preseason" rankings compare to the reality of the the "Final" rankings.

--- "She is a '21, rated on the rise (50-100) by IL.
We were "lucky" to start the process early, since the jr year rule hadn't yet come into effect." ---

Didn't the "early recruiting rule change" take effect in May of 2017? How was a 2021 HS Grad engaged in the recruiting process before the "rule change"? Even if coaches reached out when your daughter was an 8th grader they would have had to break off all contact once the new rule was in force in 2017.

Yes, was thinking the same. And when 8th graders were recruited, it was the very top girls, not 50-100 types. Something very wrong with this story.

Maybe she graduated college in 2021?

This is true. However remember that when the new rule was announed there was still a transition period and lots of last minute offers were made to 8th,9th and 10th graders in the weeks before the rule changed.

Ally Kennedy announced as a Virginia Coach.

Very doubtful that prior to May 2017 an 8th grade girl who had not yet played the "summer circuit" as a rising freshman would have been committed. I don't think College Coaches were watching rising 8th graders play in the Summer of 16'.

You mean everything on this thread isn't true and 100% accurate and correct. I'm blown away.

There was no "on the rise" back in 2016 - 2017.... when a 2021 college grad would have been a HS player. I call BS.

Not the poster of the original story, but can say for sure the top 2021's were in the heat of recruiting when it did shut down. About a dozen girls from the class had already committed and many were close. My daughter had done a half dozen visits and meetings with coaches and had several offers in hand when it shut down, and was told by the coaches that the offers stand and that if she wanted accept the offers, she could at any time because they were made prior to the shut down (not sure if that part was legal?). She held off to see what Sept 1st would bring and it was by far the best thing. Prior to the shut down, coaches were very uneasy about offering girls that young, and for very good reason, but they were competing with other programs who were willing to do it and the players were getting younger and younger every year. Only a handful of coaches were dipping that young so it was impossible to fully gauge the full interest from all programs for these early recruits. My daughter went from known interest from 6 programs when it shut down, to nearly 60 programs reaching out on sept 1st. Many better options opened up, and you knew all the options on the same day. Best thing that ever happened for lacrosse, for the coaches, and for the players.

Interesting topic regarding the Top 10 landscape. Looking at 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2022 (left 2020 & 2021 out due to the Covid mess)..

20 Programs have finished the season ranked in the Top 20, it's a pretty elite group and Rutgers should be very proud.

Below illustrates how many times each program finished the year for the 6 seasons listed.

6 - Maryland
6 - North Carolina
5 - Boston College
5 - Syracuse
5 - Princeton
4 - Florida
4 - Northwestern
4 - Stony Brook
3 - Penn State
3 - Loyola
2 - Virginia
2 - Notre Dame
2 - Navy
2 - USC
1 - JMU
1 - Penn
1 - Stanford
1 - Denver
1 - Towson
1 - Rutgers

Good luck to Rutgers but to state that they will consistently be a Top 10 Program for a long time to come might be wishful thinking as we can all see based on the reality of just how difficult it is to finish the season ranked in the Top 10.

So, besides Rutgers, which programs do you see rising over the next few year? Falling?

So to clarify (this is the original poster, btw): when my daughter was in 8th grade the old rule was in effect and a number of programs (beyond the top few) had completed a lot of their recruiting with the 9th grade class (2020s) at that time. So, we were advised to get going and we took our daughter to a few school camps in the Feb / Mar window that year. We also, just prior to the rule change, put in place a robust set of summer visits. So, she did in fact get going just before the rule change. While we know in hindsight where she ended up vis a vis top programs, we weren't really sure back then ... happy to clarify anything else, but I really don't have any motivation to make stuff up, I was merely trying to provide info to be helpful to others

Rising: Michigan, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Arizona State, Clemson, USC

No Transition period. Vote Approving changes happened either Thursday or Friday of Easter weekend ( I believe , Not sure been a few years) Daughter recieved Email from Club Director , which we did not see, telling her to call coach of her #1 choice before 4pm. on Friday. She called the Coach on the following Monday and was politely told that she could not talk to her until 9/1 . After a good summer season Daughter recieved call and offer just after midnight and excepted the offer that she would have recieved had she made the original call.

Sheesh!!!! If I have to read one more Rutgers post .........

I think its time to end this conversation or start a new Rutgers Thread.

Yale?

Your post was very helpful. Unfortunately it’s the Internet so you can’t stop trolls from trolling. Thanks for the help

60 programs? 60 reached out on 9/1? Not buying it.

Do coaches really do the midnight thing? My daughter has class tomorrow…

Go to sleep

Yes, coaches do the 12:01am contact, but it generally happens for top recruits, and after that, depends on position. I know a handful of girls who committed to top D1 programs in September - November and did not have their phone or email lighting up just after midnight. I highly recommend tempering expectations in the household. Otherwise, it could be a big let down tonight. If the heavy contact comes in, good for your daughter - that’s awesome! If it doesn’t, tell her not to be discouraged. This can be a game of patience and endurance. Your daughter should keep reaching out to her top schools after September 1 and continue to sell herself. Good luck - exciting times!!!

My daughter was a top recruit last year. It’s mostly texts, and emails to schedule a call or home visit for the next day. Majority do not call. Might want to stay up to respond to those, but definitely not necessary. We were driving back from the elite 8 at the time, so it was very exciting!

20 minutes… any predictions

Yes. By 12:20 it’s done and then tonite it will start again

It's not just top recruits that get contacted at midnight. My daughter was not a top recruit and was contacted at midnight by a few schools - some top 20 schools. She also received many emails. Everyone's process is different. Don't compare your daughter to anyone else. The best advise I received was "don't talk about it" - i talked to 2 people only that were going through the same process and that was it. Best of luck to the 24's.

I personally have Michigan falling. They've lost some really good assistants to Notre Dame, Jax, CMU (new HC), etc. I think their HC is pretty good, but it's a lot of turnover which hurts their prospects IMO.

So our experience so far. Various emails hit at midnight or a little after, zero calls. Most suggested a time to talk today (but the daughter has school today), or asked for a couple of times to schedule a call. Others came in at 7 AM or just after, as well as various texts to schedule discussions.

It's all very early and we should all remember it's not a sprint, it's a marathon. Keep contacting the schools and working the process.

Rising: Michigan. Ohio State, Florida.

Pretty much any school with NIL $$ for all athletes will change the game. Ohio State is promising over $20k of NIL money to any scholarship athlete. This pretty much gives them double the # of effective scholarships than most other schools. Expect them to get some commits you wouldn't expect.

Why Yale? What has changed? Why now? What have they do to indicate an upward change going forward?

Michigan is interesting. Over the past 3 years, they've arguable had top 10 recruiting classes each year, but can't seem to put it together on the field. Very athletic and good on defense, but they just don't have the one attacking player who other teams are afraid of.

Well... they broke into the top 20 last year for a little bit, and have had several solid recruiting classes in a row the past few years. No one is saying they will be top 10, but definitely on the rise and nipping on Princeton and Penn's heals for tops in Ivy

Definitely, I like what Apex emailed out. “Today is about doors opening and not closing” also “it’s not the finish line, just the first step”!

Wishing all the 24s good luck on “their” journeys in finding a place to truly be happy and realize their dreams. Everyone’s journey and destination is different, as it should be. Hoping everyone eventually lands somewhere they love.

Same on boys as side. A shame

Coach is fantastic. All the girls love her. My daughter visited, and it was one of her top choices.

No disrespect to Yale but reality does not indicate that Yale is nipping at anyone's heels. I guess the old saying "any given day" applies but they have really not done anything to suggest that they will consistently be competitive with Top 20 programs let alone be competitive with Top 10 Programs.

They did not finish the 2022 season ranked in the Top 20 and they didn't beat a single competitive team in 2022. Good for them that they beat Penn by a goal 11-10 but Penn had a very off year for Penn. The Quakers were not ranked at the end of the 2022 season which is very unusual.

Just looking back to 2010 it does not appear that Yale is competitive with Princeton or Penn.

Vs Penn, Yale is 1 - 11 since 2010.
Vs Princeton Yale is 0 - 12 since 2010.

Good win vs Penn last year and they kept it close vs Princeton in the regular season but they were blown out by 10 goals in the IVY Playoffs vs Princeton 19-9.

Jury still out on Yale as they have not done anything to indicate they are on the rise.

Maybe 2023 will be different.

1st 24 off board, coaches daughter to UNC

I wonder if there was any tampering with that.

Saw Hopkins signed a player too

Which coach?

where can we find these announcements of who commits?

My daughter's college team played Yale last season. I agree that they are definitely on the rise. They had some great showings last year with a mostly underclassman starting lineup. I think they're going to be a lot of fun to watch in 2023 and have a great change at winning the Ivy League.

club and player instagrams mostly, after a few
Days many will start hitting sportsrecruits/committed, BOTC and / or laxnumbers

Levy. Commitments can be found on Inside Lacrosse under recruits as they happen and are reported . Interesting how fast this one went up!🤣

M&D IG posted it.

I don't think it is the lack of a single player, I think it is the style of play and players not necessarily "getting" what they should be doing (as a unit). If you go back and watch their game against Denver at Michigan, when they moved the ball fast (in their sets) they could pretty much score at will. When play slowed down more, they didn't move the ball and unsettle the defense. They also had players that didn't clear the alleys, which you could see was addressed after that game in subsequent games.

That's not a one player missing issue on attack--it's a whole team issue.

I would argue the loss of their assistant coach to Jacksonville put a damper on their offense--take a look at Jax's offense--it's now stellar. I don't think that is an aberration.

You know she's had the pic and statement ready for, oh, a few years? lol

How long will these calls texts emails go on for? We know that we were on lists for colleges (they contacted our club on 8/31) but we haven’t heard from them yet!

Anything is possible but what great showings did Yale have last year? They didn't win any games vs competitive teams, what would cause you to think that they will win the Ivy league?

Where was this announced?

It depends on the school. Some will go straight through each prospect from #1 to the end and will not reach out to the next until the have #1 done.

Others break it out on their short list. It could be 25 players, but there's only spots for 6-7 players--if your daughter is lower on the rankings, you may not year back until they finish with the first wave of players.

Let time do its thing and if you could at least respond once you hear back from one or a few of them, that would be great! It's a process and not everyone will have an offer the first day and be done already.

The calls will be done in waves. First wave happening now. It will subside as those girls pick schools. Then 2nd wave girls will be called… etc… it’s just starting now. Just the beginning. Keep head up… and you/daughter can reach out to coaches now as well. It’s allowed. She can reach out to let them know she is still very interested in their school and to please keep her in mind. Send highlights again and then follow up. The Process really just starting for most. A very small percentage is done in September. Keep on plugging. It will happen. There’s a place fir every player. Over 500 girls lacrosse programs.

Coaches weren’t honest?? I am shocked. Shocked.

I’m assuming (hope!) those quotes weren’t from the same coach. Agree that coaches don’t always do the right thing, but it’s a little bit comparing apples and oranges. Most college coaches have some form of contact with way more prospects than most players have real offers. Not necessarily because a player couldn’t get so many offers, but there is only so much time for visits which is when offers are usually made.

It’s the right thing to do for a player to contact coaches and decline offers if they have accepted another. My daughter did this by phone before publicly announcing her commitment. It can be a tough phone call for a teenager to make, but a good learning experience for the future.

I don’t think it’s feasible for coaches to proactively contact every prospect they have some contact with if they’ve moved on, but they absolutely should reply as such if a prospect continues to contact them. Some coaches do “ghost” players and that’s not cool.

Top tier calls and texts are done. Today we’re the phone calls and house visits for that group. If you haven’t heard yet then consider you are a lower tier. After the top tiers pass or commit the coaches work down their list. You Shouid hear by next week if there is still interest

I'm new to all of this so I am wondering this. If your daughter got a call from a top ranked D1 school right after midnight that is a good indication they are very interested in her , correct ?

Not sure if it was "announced" but she was making recruiting calls yesterday.

where was the Hopkins commit? Penn State already shows three commits!

Most likely, but it also depends on if the coaches are calling 15 girls on the first day for 6-7 spots. Interest can come and go like the wind. Take it as a compliment and keep working!

As she should, its her daughter.....good for them

Also be aware a lot of mass emails to any kid whose ever emailed a school

Hopefully this can be helpful to some.

- Remember, your daughter is not going through this process in a vacuum, coaches are talking to multiple recruits and the decisions made by other recruits and coaches impacts everyone else including your daughter.

- Remember, the process is very fluid, things can and do change rapidly.

- Remember, The recruiting process (in most cases) will let players and parents know where the player stands in relation to the field.

- Remember, it is a process, for the majority of players the process will take some time.

- Remember, stay positive and help your daughter to do the same.

- Remember, focus on what you can control and do not get caught up with things that you can not control. i.e. who commits where, what coaches call, what coaches do not call etc...

- Remember, it is okay for your daughter to be persistent when expressing interest to a coach, just do not be a pain in the a$$.

- Remember, coaches want players who want to go to their school and play for them, make sure the schools your daughter is truly interested in are fully aware of her genuine interest.

- Remember, if a coach is willing to engage in the process with your daughter (talk with, meet with etc...) but is not willing to make an offer it is most likely because they are still trying to land girls that they have ranked higher on their list. That's okay, no program gets all of the players that they want.

Right. But look out if your kid doesn’t return a text, email or call from a coach and tell them that you decided to cross their school off the list. The double standard of expected respect is insane. They can ghost you for months. But don’t dare not return their email.

IMHO, yes, coaches do not call players that they are not interested in. Just know that they are also interested in other players as well.

The team was sent an email introducing Ally Kennedy as the offensive coordinator. I would assume an Instagram post will follow.

Florida also got their 1st commit

Why Not Return an email? These coaches move around all the time. Practice good manners just say thank you but …. This coach may be the HC next year at your kids school

I would like to give an example of #7. My daughter was being recruited by several great schools but there was one in particular that she thought would be “the one”. She had a visit scheduled, but really wanted to move the visit up because she knew there was another group of girls going before her visit and wanted to get on campus first. There were also a few schools that wanted an answer and she didn’t want take too long. So she called the HC and asked if there was any way she could visit earlier, she let the coach know again how she really wanted to play for her and the program. A special visit was set up for her and another girl. She committed on the visit. Coach told her she would have to call and cancel the visit with another girl coming the following weekend who was being recruited in the same position. Early bird gets the worm!

Bc army Florida penn commits!

Commits to USF BC Navy Army PSU abs Liberty in just three days. Whose next?!

Denver has picked up a few commits as well. Solid goalie for one of them! (And no I'm not her parent lol)

Average goalies going fast. One to Denver and one to PSU. Afraid their spot will be taken I guess and school didn’t feel they would get one of the 5 top ones.

Think you missed the point. Yes. You the player should return an email. But it should be a two way street. If the coach has moved on, they should also email the kid. Most don’t. And then coaches get upset when they find out through Instagram that a kid who was eighth on their target list and has been waiting for a month to hear from a certain school commits somewhere else.

And Virginia too.

And Virginia too.

Any LI girls commit this weekend?

Syracuse has at least four so far! With KT at the helm, have they replaced Stanford as the “it” spot?

Strange comment. Totally different types of schools. Stanford hasn’t even had girls on campus yet, and most girls are ruled out do to less than perfect GPA. I think you may have meant that Syracuse is being competitive luring girls interested in schools like BC, although BC is better both academically and athletically, so I’m not sure why. I also wonder why anyone would commit to the first school they see, unless they’re not a top recruit. Schools hold the place for the best players and let them make an informed decision with no regrets.

How about maybe these girls have Syracuse as their top choice and they got nice offers. When you know you know

The original post was indeed strange, but why bring BC into the mix? Bringing BC into the conversation was strange as well. To each her own, there is no single school or lacrosse program that is the best fit everyone. Obviously the top girls pretty much have their pick as most of the top players can choose whatever school they want (assuming the grades are there as well as the lacrosse/athletic ability).

The Top 20 or so programs (which Syracuse, Boston College & Stanford are) offer great opportunities and are a diverse group group in many ways. The majority of the top players will find a home and hopefully a great fit at one of the top schools/programs, there is no "it spot". Just take an honest look at the best programs, they offer the top players a lot of options. East Coast, West Coast, Midwest, Southern, City, Suburban, Public, Private, Large, Small etc... Definitely no "it" school/program.

Be thankful that your daughter plays lacrosse, no other sport offers the same opportunity for young women. Be thankful that Lacrosse is still a Niche Sport.... It's great if a young women can go to one of the best schools or go to a school that has one of the best lacrosse programs but what is really great is when they can find the best fit. Good luck to all!

Cuse has always recruited well no matter what so not sure what you mean by that. I agree that KT makes cuse more attractive as shown so far this class and they'll be more competitve for top tier recruits against BC, UNC, MD, and NW. But i don't see how this effects stanford. I do agree with you in the sense that stanford's best days are behind them but this is due to them being serial underachievers with bad coaching.

2 of Long Islands tops were at BC this week, will be exciting to see where they land.

How are Stanfords “best days behind them”? They have another great recruiting class featuring several UA AAs including MVP, they won the IL committed academy over stacked UN /Duke team. They have a new coach who is just getting all her own recruits in. Best days are ahead for them for sure! Still don’t see how this relates to Cuse at all. The two schools attract totally different types of players.

Too many people [Censored] hurt on this forum

BOTC has posted an Army and a Navy commit from LI

Who was at BC ???

Yes, that’s great, but academies have been recruiting for months now, so those are not really new. I’m kind of surprised those girls didn’t wait to see 9/1 interest before committing. It is nice to see that the LI girls are taking their time and not committing on the first visit. It is so important to see a few schools before making such an important decision.

Who cares? And, why do you care? Every girl is on her own journey. Good luck to all the 24s trying to find a good fit and a place to be happy. Hope they all find a great school where they can thrive! Good luck

The top girls have most likely already been on campus at their top choice schools. Most have been to their camps and the last look invite only Camp. That’s why they can commit quickly. These girls are being offered $$$ and they already know their 1st pick school

That is the question you have to come to terms with yourself. Every school is a perfect fit for someone.

Believe that was for club not college

Salty goalie dad, is that you? lol

Such an ignorant post, Stanford has actually finished the season ranked higher than their preseason ranking (6X) more times than Syracuse (4X) since 2010... I guess Stanford has overachieved and Syracuse has underachieved over the years.

Stanford will continue to improve under their relatively new Head Coach. The only question is why was Stanford even brought up? Not sure that anyone ever considered Stanford the "it" school. In any event, are players who receive offers from Stanford really considering Syracuse?

Time to slither back under your rock.

Floyd girl and SA girl were at BC.

Agree with this comment, the poster is being salty. Shouldn't we be celebrating these girls' successes and wishing all the 24's well in their journey? I am sure there will be plenty of commitments that will be head-scratchers but calling out specific commits is wrong. I'm not familiar with either goalie but these schools definitely felt good about them to make early offers. Worry about your own daughter and refrain from bashing others.

That’s great for them.

BC got the top two 2023's on Long Island would be impressive if they landed the top two 2024's as well.

Lol, according to who? Daddy’s lax rankings inc? BC is done without CN, and none of those girls are the next CN. Please stop

Calm down buddy its not that serious. Anyone who has watched Long Island lacrosse over the last few years would say the two Boston College commits are the top 2023's.

Everyone said Boston College was done when Sam Appuzzo left as well. Great programs reload and they have been able to compete for the last few years.

4 national title games in a row and a #4 pre season ranking. Yea not the same without the MJ of womens lacrosse, but far from done.

It's either a salty goalie dad or someone that doesn't know much about goalies. I agree, we should celebrate the successes and enjoy the recruiting results!

Yes, that’s great, but academies have been recruiting for months now, so those are not really new. I’m kind of surprised those girls didn’t wait to see 9/1 interest before committing. It is nice to see that the LI girls are taking their time and not committing on the first visit. It is so important to see a few schools before making such an important decision.[/quote]

This is is silly comment. I guess you don’t understand the prestige of being committed to an Academy. Free school, and they pay you too!, and the world is yours when you graduate and finish your short required duty. I know of a handful of Westpoint grads in high power corporate positions, and working on Wall Street.

Boston College will not be in final 4 this year. And there are lots of top tier recruits in both the ‘23 and ‘24 class. So stop with “anyone would agree”. There are plenty who would disagree. Both girls are great HS athletes, as are several other All Americans. Let’s see what happens in college. Best not to count your chickens before they hatch.

This is is silly comment. I guess you don’t understand the prestige of being committed to an Academy. Free school, and they pay you too!, and the world is yours when you graduate and finish your short required duty. I know of a handful of Westpoint grads in high power corporate positions, and working on Wall Street.[/quote]

I think we all know. Good for them. Most girls would not even entertain it because it takes a certain type of kid. It’s frankly only for a select few. It’s also a fact that they have been recruiting all summer, so had little to do with 9/1. My daughter was recruited by both Army and Navy, but unfortunately it is not a good fit for her. Congratulations to the girls who will serve our country and to the parents who don’t have to pay any tuition!

The best girl in the class from Grizzlies visited BC, the HC drooled over her and even put championship ring on her finger. She said bye and went straight to the best school UNC. What a slap in the face.

This must be one of the densest comments i’ve ever seen here.

Getting into a service academy is one of the greatest achievements that can be had for any young man or woman. God bless and good luck to those who committed there; those are future leaders.

Did any of the lilj made up teams games leagues actually help anyone. Just wondering if I need to waste money this year.

No, I have to laugh when I see girls put that in their Bio. Let’s leave the rankings to IL

I guess it depends what you mean by "help"? Were there college coaches watching winter league games out at Stony Brook? Of course not. Did it help her and her HS team get ready for spring season? Absolutely.

Why would that be impressive? And who is to judge who the Top 2 are?

It was impressive that they got the top recruit in the 2021 class too. We have yet to see her play but BC is great at landing the top recruits.

That’s because she was not the top recruit. Top recruits play right away. Some girls are overhyped and it shows when they get on campus.

I have to laugh you read other girls bios. Creep.

BC obviously is a very good lacrosse program, but certainly not the end all. For the top girls who have "game" is its certainly to be considered a top 5 or top ten lacrosse program. Yet not everyone is sold on BC. BC leaves some of the boxes unchecked for many players in many other areas. Boston is an awesome city for sure, but the winters are cold, tough and depressing. The campus has some very nice buildings and picturesque areas, but it is not really in the heart of the city and has an awkward layout for a campus. The facilities and arrangements for the women's lacrosse is far from ideal, feels very after thoughty, or the best they could do in fitting into the urban sprawl. It is pretty good academically, especially compared to many of the other D1 programs, but not great and certainly not stellar. While it may be a top 5 lacrosse program, it is far from that academically and many players who have "game", also have "grades" too, and have much better academic options to play at. Many parents of the players are known to be rather arrogant and unbearable, as you can see from the posts here, several years in the last few, are all represented here with parents posting/claiming their daughter was #1. Yes, a few top players go there every year, and the same can be said for many other top programs as well, so put it perspective. And yes, many top players with BC as an option, CHOOSE to go elsewhere. If all these self-proclaimed #1 players from all these areas all went to BC, BC would have the #1 ranked incoming class every year, but that is not the case. So many great players from all over out there, going to many different programs.

100%. Was not even on my daughters list of top schools due to the reasons you stated. And yes she was a top 2023 recruit. Not putting anyone who commits there down, because it is a perfect school for many. Every girl has their dream school, this was not my daughter’s

wow... thats a lot of words to sum up the fact that you dont like BC... to each his own... no reason to tear it down based on your own personal opinions. Congrats to the girls who choose to go to this upper echelon lacrosse program.

The schools that offer the best atmosphere, great lacrosse and above average academics:

UNC
UMD
Florida
Virginia

Great lacrosse, decent academics, but facilities/atmosphere not as desirable

Syracuse (not everyone wants to play in a dome)
StonyBrook
BC

Stellar academics, very good lacrosse, great college atmosphere/facilities

Duke
Stanford
Princeton
ND
Northwestern


Stellar academics, good lacrosse

Penn
Yale
Vanderbilt
Hopkins

Party school, good lacrosse, good/very good academics, great facilities

Penn State
Ohio State
Clemson
Virginia Tech
Rutgers
Michigan

Uh oh. My daughter has five of the six party schools on her list. 😬

Lol your above average academic bracket is much better academic then your very good academic bracket. Michigan needs to switch spots with UMD. Not sure where you get your information from.

Agree, but Michigan lacrosse is just average, but they have a great athletic atmosphere/party school. I think a school needs to be in the top 20 academically to qualify as “stellar”, and there is a huge difference between the top 10, and 10-20. So they would be “very good” academic with good lacrosse where a school like Rutgers would have better lacrosse but not as strong a academics. It’s hard for a school to check all the boxes! Michigan could possibly be placed in my first group, except for the weather.
Obviously this is totally opinion. It’s how my daughter broke down schools. Some could definitely be shuffled a bit based on personal preference.

Yes, that top group. UNC agree, Florida and Maryland are fine schools but by no means are they superior schools academically. As someone with experience with UVA, I am amazed that that coaching staff has not been wholesale sacked. They do less with more year after year and somehow are arrogant about it. As someone with two children currently playing, leverage their ability to get them in the best academic school they can get into (yes they have to like the school if their lacrosse career ends). I have one at an ivy and one at an a very good academic non ivy. The opportunities the ivy child is getting are ridiculous. Stretch, reach, beg, borrow and steal if your child gets a chance to go to an Ivy or a NESCAC like Williams.

As someone who knows Michigan well, I wouldn't really call it a party school. I was at a camp on the east coast last month and one girl east coast stated she had them high on her list because it was a party school.

I don't know who's daughter it was, but I'm warning you, she will be disappointed. While Michigan is definitely has a work hard, play hard mentality, it isn't even close to the same type of party school as you see at other schools.

Academically, Michigan is great in many areas but as with any school, you'll have to look at the areas of study to find how they rank out. Great reputation, great academics, a strong tendency to burn out kids that are studying life science/bio, but an average lacrosse team.

Even though they aren't as good of a lax school as Maryland, I think Ann Arbor is still better than College Park--that's one of the ugliest areas I've set eyes on in a while.

All of the above is opinion. I believe there is a saying about opinions....

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Somewhat eye opening... If you have not had the chance to click on the link in one of the previous post here it is again and it is certainly worth the read. Very interesting, informative and helpful.

Check out the methodology below the Ranking, very interesting.

https://www.bestvalueschools.com/colleges-professional-partnerships

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Rank School

1 - University of Michigan

2 - Pennsylvania State University

3 - Stanford University

4 - Harvard University

5 - New York University

6 - Princeton University

7 - University of California, Berkeley

8 - University of Pennsylvania

9 - Massachusetts Institute of Technology

10 - University of Southern California

11 - Cornell University

12 - Dartmouth College

13 - University of Washington

14 - Texas A & M University

15 - Yale University

16 - Northeastern University

17 - Purdue University

18 - Carnegie Mellon University

19 - Georgia Institute of Technology

20 - University of California-Los Angeles

21 - Claremont McKenna College

22 - Arizona State University-Tempe

23 - California Institute of Technology

24 - University of Maryland

25 - North Carolina State University

26 - University of California-San Diego

27 - University of Florida

27 - University of California-Davis

29 - Virginia Tech

30 - Embry Riddle Aeronautical University


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Our sources are these:

US News, Top Colleges, Universities for Internship, Co-Op Programs: https://www.usnews.com/education/be...iversities-for-internship-co-op-programs

Business Insider, The 25 Best Colleges for Landing an Internship: https://www.businessinsider.com/princeton-review-best-colleges-for-scoring-an-internship-2016-2

QS/Top Universities, 10 of the Best US Universities for Graduate Employability 2018: https://www.topuniversities.com/uni...universities-graduate-employability-2018

QS/Top Universities Graduate Employability Rankings 2018: https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/employability-rankings/2018

Times Higher Education, Which Colleges do Facebook, Google and Other Top Employers Recruit From? https://www.timeshighereducation.co...k-google-and-other-top-employers-recruit

Princeton Review, Colleges That Pay You Back: https://www.princetonreview.com/col...es-that-pay-you-back&sort=popularity

CNBC, The 30 colleges with the most alums at top tech companies: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/28/the-30-colleges-with-the-most-alums-at-top-tech-companies.html

US News, Top Fortune 500 CEOs: Where They Went to College: https://www.usnews.com/education/be...tune-500-ceos-where-they-went-to-college

College Magazine, The 10 Most Powerful College Alumni Networks: https://www.collegemagazine.com/10-best-college-alumni-networks/

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News flash… All schools are Party Schools for the kids that want to party.

News flash… All schools are Party Schools for the kids that want to party.

Facts!

I would rank Michigan as follows.

Great Atmosphere (if you are talking about the overall campus experience, facilities)
Stellar academics (Top 25, comparable to ND/UVA)
Very good lacrosse

Yes Michigan's motto is "Work Hard, Play Hard" but I would definitely not call it a "Party School".
And I totally agree.. All schools are Party Schools for the kids that want to party.
Serious D1 Athletes are not doing too much of this in the Spring.

It is a high academic school with an incredible alumni base and athletic culture.
Ann Arbor is a really great place to go to college. with a TON of school spirit and ranks as one of the best college towns/cities.
To my surprise as a New Yorker... it really an easy flight into DTW from LGA, JFK or even White Plains.

At this point I would not call the women's team an "average lacrosse team". This year is only the team's 10th season and each year they improve and recruit better players.
They have made the NCAA 2 of the last three years and likely would have been more successful on 2021 if it had not been for COVID.
No they are not in the same class as Maryland and Northwestern... yet... but they are getting closer each year.

If your daughter is interested in playing at a "BIG", high academic university in a competitive conference for a program that appears to be "on the rise" then its worth a look...

Interesting perspective, here are a few other items to chew on. They were completely outmatched vs Denver in season--Michigan fell flat on their faces. Michigan had a great first quarter (5 goals) until Denver settled in and made them look incompetent on offense. It was also similar for their game with SC--both of those were home games for Michigan.

They've also lost two really good assistants this summer, with one going to Notre Dame (Adam Sears) and the other taking over the reigns at Central Michigan (Emilia Ward). Those two are huge losses for the program. The a large portion of the roster never touches the field, so I honestly don't think the recruiting they've been doing is all that great, as I'd expect more kids to see the field or at least get a few touches, but they just don't.

While I think they are a top 20 team, they certainly aren't a top 10 team.

IL just put out a top 10 list. A lot of parents on here are gonna be......upset. This should be interesting. The Freddy Krugeur claws are going to be typing.

Worthless.

Great List, Congratulations to all who were recognized!

TG girl #1 on LI , 7 overall, and YJ #2, 8 overall which I don’t see since many others put up way bigger numbers in tougher conferences. The two top girls also made U16. All in all LI is weak in ‘24 and don’t even have a girl in top 5. ‘Also interesting is only one of the 10 is an attack. 23 class had four 5 star recruits from the Island and 3/4 of them on U18

Dewlax goalie should have been on this list.

Yeah I saw that...I'm certain at least one set of Midfielder M&D parents will be salty, as will some others.

While I like some of the pics, how much say does Alyssa have on the list? She's a huge Syracuse homer--not to knock the Syracuse commits--but is she able to be fair if she's responsible for the listing? I think the boys side has a better history/track record of building out their listing, as they have more people actually watching games all season long. I'm curious to know who else the Womens side uses for recruiting scouting, etc.

Expecting incoming $%^$ posts soon.

You are absolutely correct about depth.
This year's Senior class is the first Coach Nielsen recruited. My understanding was that when she was hired I believe the entire previous class was decommitted (many excellent players) and at that time the majority of that class had already verbally committed elsewhere. This class has seen little playing time to date. A handicap when you think about how stacked many "blue bloods" are...
Totally agree about Denver. Had big lead then D tightened up and offense stalled.

They had some injuries in midseason on midfield and had to play less experienced underclassmen that hurt them vs OSU and USC.
Played much better later in NCAA.

Lost two assistants, gained one in Casey Pearsall (Vermont)

Yes, I agree NOT a Top 10 but top 25.

My point is that for a relatively young program they have taken some big steps the last few years.

The growth of the sport has created much deeper classes of talent going forward. Women's college lacrosse will keep MD, NW, Cuse, and BC as the big 4 going forward because all 4 have great coaches that recruit top players and can draw from the portal. There are a lot of other great coaches out there that are getting great talent that wasn't in as much supply 5-10 years ago. The talent gap is getting much smaller between schools in the top 20 and coaching will be the difference more than ever before.

Orly will make the list--this class has been prioritized towards the Attack/Midfield side. I think it is an oversight, but then again, I don't know how good some people are at assessing goalies and how they fit in overall. I've watched her at various training events and she is a phenomenal goalie. JJ Suriano edges her out, IMO, but it shouldn't discount her abilities at all! She's the only 5 star goalie in this class if you ask me.

List isn’t accurate at all. Big push for not hotbed kids.
Some on list because they committed and big cuse push.

Club directors pick their sweethearts and push their agenda. Some stats are made up because they are not officially recorded, like draw controls. Some girls are on sub par travel/HS teams that get smoked against good competition. Many club directors good friends with the “evaluators”. Not saying the girls on the list aren’t good, but c’mon, there are 9 middies. Your telling me there are no top 10 defenders or goalies? Something smells like lazy politics.

Please stop. You haven’t even watched all of those girls play. IL has. Stay focused on your kid, be positive, and stop worrying about everyone else’s. Congrats to those girls. I recommend that you come to grips with the notion that there is a whole country out there beyond your “hot beds”. The lacrosse landscape is changing and athletic girls who train hard and have talent live all over the place. Look at the recruits so far - PA is looking pretty strong.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

As I said. Kruger claws coming out. And it’s just a start. Let me get my popcorn.

List is way off. Good players but some aren’t even best on the their team. Just because they committed early doesn’t mean they are good.

Pa ? That’s funny. They play in B brackets and accepted low or no scholarship. The people that know , also know who the best players are. Very few YJ , monsters, Steps , M&D or Sw. Those team also have the best players. And INside lacrosse along with USClub don’t attend tournaments. They have people they like tell them who’s good.

She's a cuse homer yes but i think she truly values her professionalism and the responsibility bestowed upon her so i don't think she lets herself be biased when it comes to these rankings. Halley Griggs who is another cuse alum did an amazing job running the women's side and i never once got the impression that she was favoring syracuse.

Early commit does not mean better. I think some of the better girls will not be early commits? The top girls prob. have multiple excellent offers to figure/sort out. Some they didn’t even realize were coming their way. They are smart to look at options and really do their due diligence. Plus, some negotiations are to still be done before commitment announcements. Good Luck to All!

LI should have Had a top 5. The list is questionable
As to how they composed it. Let’s revisit this after the top 24s announce their commitments. Let’s see what the College coaches think.about the 24 class and who’s who. See who goes where? That will speak volumes more than that list. I don’t know where IL is looking? However, the college coaches know where to look. I doubt one college coach takes this list as something to use for evaluations.

Just having fancy stick skills and being from the island doesn't make you a top recruit anymore. There are serious athletes playing lacrosse across the country. People are realizing lacrosse can open way more doors than soccer and basketball. The best part about lacrosse is it encourages multi sport athletes unlike other sports. Take the stick out of your hands in the fall and winter and do other sports. It only makes you a better lacrosse player in high school and college.

If a college coach was utilizing any of these top lists to evaluate players, they shouldn't have a job. Of course they aren't looking at this list.

This list is -as my kids say-“Sus”

There is no way that the top kids ever had to play a league-full of local scrappy kids that were forced to pose with sticks (lacrosse sticks) in their cribs.
There is no replacement for playing against good competition.

It's a little unbelievable that some here will cry about some of the Top 10 Players not being from hotbed areas, but still playing on top teams instead of local teams (i.e. M&D, Skywalkers, etc.). It's not like these teams are unknown to everyone here, but the fact a player is from either Michigan or Colorado is an issue?

I swear LI has such an inferiority complex or something.

Some big commitments coming this weekend!

The comments pertaining to "The Ranking" have all been very predictable. For years we all read the same nonsense every time IL puts their annual list out. The reality is that over the years Inside Lacrosse has done an excellent job especially with their Top 30 - 40. Reading the comments is always very entertaining, almost as entertaining as listening in person at the excuses parents will make when their daughter does not receive any offers from any of the top programs.

The top players will receive offers from the top programs and the majority of the top players will commit to the top programs.

We will soon hear how the college coaches get it wrong all the time, it's all political, it's a real head scratcher etc... ... bla bla bla...

This is the time of year when the delusional parents tend to go off the rails.

Thanks Kreskin.

If #2 was still playing in Colorado she would be best on that team . She also sat all summer with an injury. #3 Isnt even the top player on her own current club team. Im sure the list is very solid but it will never be 100% accurate or agreeable by all. I am shocked lefty monster attacker and coaches daughter arent on list . They produce against top competition every weekend and I have never seen Alyssa Murray at any summer tournament evaluating. Means nothing to colleges, just good conversation on these types of forums.

You see this with recruiting rankings across all sports. They become self fulfilling prophecies. Some girls will magically go up because a top 5 program is recruiting them and then drop if they commit to a lower level school. There can also be a big gap between potential and already realized skill.

I've seen every girl on this top ten list play and think they are all deserving. I believe the CT Grizzlies girl at 7 is probably the most D1 ready right now but that doesn't mean she will be one of the best when everything is all said and done 6 years from now.

Well, before this list was published, a BC coach had flown to Colorado on 9/1 to talk to 2 Colorado players. Looks like someone figured out they were good players before Inside Lacrosse did! Also, UMD coaches saying that their recruiting $$ is stretched because so many target recruits require flights for their visits. It's great to see so much diversity in recruiting. I think that was well reflected in last year's class as well. Of course, there have been some stellar collegiate players recently from the west - Charlotte North, Rachel Hall and Lauren Gilbert, for example. Everybody wants one!

Whether you agree or not on the particular players selected as an IL Top 10, one thing is very clear…..the recruiting landscape has changed and the hotbed areas no longer rule the recruiting landscape. Club owners/recruiting directors in the hotbed areas no longer have the political pull with college coaches they once had. The commitments in the 2024 class proves this. Even more than the 2023 and 2022 classes. I have a 2018 daughter who played at a top college lacrosse program and now I have a 2023 daughter who will be playing at a top D2 program (her choice, she did have D1 interest but not the right schools). My 2018 daughter and most of her college lacrosse playing friends didn’t start club until 7th grade. My 2023 daughter started club in 3rd grade. The recruiting classes now have been playing club level lacrosse for many more years than any class before them. And there were so many more club teams from all over the country in my younger daughter’s tournaments. Her team always played A bracket level and the team makeups in the A bracket was significantly different! Great for the game of lacrosse but hard to swallow by a parent who has lived their entire life in a hot bed area.

Anyone advise a good website that compiles teams prospect days. Connectlax used to do it but seems like teams stopped adding their dates to Connectlax since the merger.

check the iwlca website

Coaches at colleges are trying to get kids closer to their school. Means less lax money given out. Top kids are still from the hotbed areas or join teams in hotbed areas. They were making sure they found the best school and are getting the most money. Now that some are committing you will see other good players speed up to find their school.

Hard to take this seriously without UNC being in your top 4. BC has earned it the last 5 years and MD certainly is still the all-time program. Cuse has never won a natty and Northwestern last appeared in the finals/won one in 2012 (over ten years ago now). UNC clearly ahead of them, although they are probably 4th and 5th.

Correct, UNC is clearly in the top tier. UNC and MD recruit the portal the most of the big 5.

New college rankings just released. Lots of movement in top 10

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

noticed Coastal Carolina wasn't on that list. uh-oh

https://longisland.news12.com/stony-brook-university-jumps-16-spots-on-best-colleges-for-2023-list

Coastal appears to be a regional school, not a National. Who knew? lol

And? So is Loyola Maryland, among other schools that provide a sound education.

"Regional Universities offer a full range of undergraduate programs and some master's programs but few doctoral programs."

Coastal was ranked in Regional Southern Universities, so it's technically not off any list.

Northwestern (and other high academics like Duke, Stanford) can only take grad students from the portal. And grad school eligibility will effectively be done after next year.

I was joking about Coastal not being on the list. My daughter wants to go there and I told her it’s like a Community college.

Anyone know if the Inside Lacrosse Women ID Experience on October 23rd is a legit event? Is it worth doing for 2024s?

expect two local Princeton commits in next couple days.

oh it's very legit. IL pours alot of resources into it and uses their connections to have lax royalty there, both players, coaches and scouts. Bad news is, its invite only. They only invite players they think are top tier. If a player is there, they are basically guaranteed a scholarship if not already offered.

Good event. Lots of hogs trying to get their name mentioned. It’s done for rankings. Like everything else’s, $$$

I assume this is sarcasm. My 2023 daughter attended IDX last year. There were no coaches there. It's basically another chance to play with committed teammates. Most of the top girls were there.There were Syracuse players checking girls in and that was about it besides IL reps. I think IL uses it to rate girls so may be helpful for 2025s? Last year only 2023s attended and most were committed by that time.

Don't knock Coastal, great college experience and warm weather. It is a very trendy school for the kids these days...

Oh, ok! I've seen the campus--it's beautiful. Being close to Myrtle Beach isn't so bad, either. Jacksonville is in a similar situation, but their campus isn't nearly as pretty.

I did see they picked up the coaches from Furman after the last coach was let go due to player complaints. One of my old places of employment had about 6-7 Coastal grads--all fairly well adjusted.

Good luck to your daughter!

Wow, great dad/mom moment.

Some interesting goalie commits over the past 4-5 days.

UNC picks up a goalie from YJ and a midfielder from NY.

Michigan picks up a goalie from Team One, a midfielder that is the daughter of the UM Women's Basketball Head Coach.

Clemson picks up the UA South goalie from Lax Maniax.

Still no commit from the DewLax goalie/Team USA U16 goalie.

Denver is probably about full with their picks, same with Syracuse. Only 1 Duke commit so far.

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Still no commit from the DewLax goalie/Team USA U16 goalie.

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Will be shocked if she doesn't end up at Notre Dame.

91 , empire, YJ o Sullivan no commits yet! Anyone on the pipeline?

That YOU know of. Not all commits have posted yet, even though it is a done deal for them. I believe there has is more commits at Duke? 3 I know of

Correction: The goalie that Michigan picked up is from Lakeshore Lacrosse not Team One.

IL #1 off the board to UNC!

Will be shocked if she doesn't end up at Notre Dame.[/quote]

The Goalie that committed to Michigan was just at ND and ND was her dream school. She chose Michigan immediately after. If you are correct, DL goalie should commit shortly to ND.

Interesting.

It was thank you.

91 will have some commits just give it time

Long Island pretty light so far in general.

YJ focusing on Weiner & Ramos and forgetting about everyone else

Levy going supersaiyan in Recruiting last couple cycles..and there's a good chance she lands #2 and another top 10 player

Is that a serious post? Is someone actually upset that a play on a C team hasn't gotten interest in the first 2 weeks of recruiting.

Ramos won’t have any to top 25. Only care about A team

Stop! It’s really only the beginning for 90% of the 2024 girls on 9/1. Now, start reaching out to coaches , because you can now. Be pro active, get to their prospect camps to schools of interest and keep the communications going. Emails, phone calls now, etc. so many spots still up for grabs for the 24s. Most spots are still available, even the top schools are going slower and still have many open spots left. The Fall tournaments, showcases, and prospect camps right around the corner. It’s just started to roll, stay positive and focused. Get communicating more. They have to know your daughter is very interested in them.

I Sullivan goalie committed

91 parent talk to us when you send a kid to a top 30 d1 school other than SB

So an offer from the number 5 ranked team in the country doesn’t count ????

Yea, "trendy" is what it is.

For who? Did she take it? Or is she holding out for the #50?

If stony Brook is calling kids on your team say thanks to BS for the fam connection. Your program hasn’t sent a kid to a top 50 d1 program other than SB in many many years. The best player on your team left an “A” team coached by her HS coach and went to a YJ B team what does that telll you?

Empire lost most of their returners and replaced with kids from other b/c/d teams. One or two kids on that roster are solid and could play d1. They won’t be top tier so it’ll be a minute while they move down their list as their top girls commit elsewhere

I think you missed the implication that a YJ player is only going to a top team coached by a YJ coach. But maybe I missed something. Idk.

TG girl to Maryland

Will be shocked if she doesn't end up at Notre Dame.[/quote]

Going to an Ivy! Book it!

It tells me that in an attempt to [Censored] a youth team, you inserted a qualifier that trashed SB, the #5 ranked team in the country , and first choice for many girls on Long Island. Then in an attempt to clarify you chose as an adult to call out a specific 15/16 year old girl and diminish her hard work and talent by stating her offer Is only due to a family connection and she isn’t that good because she switched teams and is now on YJ B. So now you additionally trashed every girl on YJ B. Real classy

Great Post!

This recruiting process brings out all the trolls I guess. Good luck to all of the girls and their families. Let's hope it all works out for all of them and all the girls end up finding a place that makes them happy and provides them with great experiences. There are so many spots available at so many wonderful schools and programs. Not every kid will be playing for a top 20 school and not every kid is capable of it. They'll play in college and they'll hopefully all enjoy their last four years in this sport.

Why the detest on Coastal? Arguably, Jacksonville is a better lacrosse school but I cannot say they are better academically. It appears some of you are willing to let Jacksonville slide due to their rankings, but pour out your real feelings when the team doesn't have the ranking.

Totally! Let’s support ALL the LI girls on their recruiting journeys. They are all on different journeys! What’s a right fit for some is not a right fit others! For ,many different reasons.

Let’s all be thankful LI has such a good reputation in producing amazing lacrosse players and that being from here opens doors in itself and gets girls looks. Good luck to all the girls! Let’s all keep it classy, and support and hope for the best for all the girls, and they find a place THEY will be happy and thrive! Good luck to ALL

I am the originator of the post on Coastal. Nothing against Coastal. But I don’t want my daughter going to Coastal.
But I wouldn’t want her going to Jacksonville either. I could care less what their rankings are. I wish my daughter goes to the best school academically she can make and play lacrosse at. That is not Coastal. I’m sorry. Great location but not a great school.

Completely agreed with the above posters. So many mean-spirited posters here sneeze at many lax programs when it's not top 10 or 20 and by extension '[Censored]' clubs and B teams' as if nothing else matters in life. But in reality, are you going to bash kids or your own kid when they "only" make $50K a year after college? Or are you going to applaud them for finding a job and supporting themselves? Are you shaming your neighbors and families for not being a millionaire or billionaire? Do you hold the same standards to yourself?

Pretty good school, but far from great location.

There are many schools that fit the bill, like Dartmouth. Great school, great reputation, you can play lacrosse there, but it isn't going to be good lacrosse.

Agree. Conway, SC is not "at the beach".

Yes, a whopping ten minute ride.... but seriouly, let me know how great the location is during the next campus lockdown.

And I would be fine with that. The goal is a good school. She cares about the lax. I’m trying to lead her to a better decision. Everyone is different. I could care less if she is ranked in the top twenty. In four years that’s over. But a top education will help her in her career.

Yes. Use lacrosse to get into a school you would be rejected from as a regular applicant. That is the ultimate goal. It could result in a life changing opportunity. Nobody cares about lacrosse except the parents of the players. Yes, a National championship is an amazing experience, but I wouldn’t want my daughter to pick a school for that reason. If you get into a top 20 school, you already won a much bigger prize!

Don't think poster was talking about the kid on YJ B who moved, they were called the best player on that team in the OP.

Top guns, jesters, YJ, and Legacy postin some commits yesterday!

Education, prestigious, and employment wise, it matters more where your daughter gets her graduate degree (s). An undergraduate B.S. is just a B.S. degree no matter what university she attends.