Use this thread to discuss lacrosse pertaining to 10th Grade Girls (2025 Grads) for the Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Season.

Reposting last post from previous SY:


I have heard different stories of her age. Doesn’t matter. Still should change the rule to be more like all other sports. Your born in 2006 you play with kids born in 2006. Would stop the ridiculous reclassing.

holdbacks didnt win that game

lack of team play and coaching did

Long Island embarrassing themselves at the American Selects with three teams. Yes Spallina isn’t there and that would’ve certainly made a difference but like we discussed months ago, ridiculous to put in three teams especially b,c and d teams. One team had 10 total goals. And it wasn’t the d team.

My daughter returned from American Selects. Was a fun experience. Played 7 games. All but one competitive. They had four brackets, 2A and 2B. Not one college coach looking at 2025's which was expected. There were a ton of coaches the first two days looking at the 24's. All in all it was worth it for my daughter. She had a ball. Some of her teammates went to UA and had similar things to say.

For the 2026 parents perusing this site for next year. Expensive, but worth it for my daughter on a personal, fun level, not a return on investment level. Then again, none of these money grabs during Freshman year are worth in on a ROI level. They get experience and play good lax.

Who cares if they are unhappy. Don’t do UA. Play AS next year.

AS and UA are not club affiliated team tournaments people can spend their money however they choose. We chose AS because we were basically forced to pay w tryouts in fall not knowing UA
. Both events seemed similar. Speaking with others our problem was organizers of these events choosing to compete and putting kids in the middle of this. AS also allowing areas to have 2/3 teams per age group took away the shine in an effort to really cash in.

Agreed not sure the reasoning for overlapping events as it is the kids are pulled in too many directions Always comes down to making money and people not knowing wonder if either event moves

AS started out as the best of the best. but they watered it down the second year with multiple teams for several areas. This can only get worse, as they can see the amount of money they are making per team!! 22 kids at $600, that's another 13,200, take that and multiply it by 3 for Long Island. That's $36,600 bucks.

$695 to register for tournament.
$150 for tryouts.
Multiple teams in some regions because the yj and steps organizers can make serious money.
They don’t care about anything and or anyone else as long as the sheep believe these things create high D1 players.

there were some college coaches watching 25s for some of the bigger game and playoffs. (there weren't at midline) Nowhere near the number watching 24s. Stood next to Duke Assistant and BU head coach during semifinals

I’m sure they were socializing waiting for a 24 game to start. No way they are looking at 25 intently yet.

Same. Daughter made it to the championship game. Not one coach watching any of her playoffs. Only coach I saw at a 2025 game watching was Princeton.

Yup, only watching 23 and 24. No interest in 25 until next summer.

AT AS we did see some Coaches watching the 25 from the end lines. They were packed at the the 24s for all level teams abc

OK, this is supposedly when they start recruiting this age group. Let's see if we have this right. Daughter keeps practicing. Go to two to three fall clinics at Colleges. Email coaches from schools she's interested in. Go to tourneys in the fall, hopefully she plays well. Continue to email coaches. High School. Then summer club, camps/clinics and showcases. $$$$ Did I miss anything. =)

You can cut out the fall prospect camps If your a 25. They will be working on 24s. Start ur emails. Go to 1 or 2 college prospect camps in Dec/Jan if you want D1. Keep emailing each month. Send short videos. Next summer play well. Keep emailing and attend As many prospect camps that your kid will do at her top choices. (2-4)

See there are informative posts on this forum. Thank you.

Ok so the legacy second team just folded and it leaves about a dozen girls scrambling for teams. What teams are there in Suffolk county that need players?

Maybe Jesters, they are better than legacy as a whole, but will develop kids with raw talent.

That stinks. YJ still has tryouts coming up and maybe call Jesters, TG to see if any has any open spots and they may give you a tryout. Can’t hurt to ask.

Team91. Contact Jill Pfeifer.

Yellow jackets will make an “E” team.

Team 91 girls tryouts aug 16 6-7:30 half hollow hills east hs

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They don't even develop what they have, unless you pay to train with the coaches outside of club activities.

There is some bad info here. Coaches will certainly start watching 25s this fall when they can. As a 24 parent, we had coaches at all our events this fall. You’re also definitely going to want to start hitting prospect days as going forward many will start to overlap, so get them in when you can

When you are emailing the coaches, in regards to a short video, is this highlights of the season? Or do you also send training videos, working out, skills, wall ball etc?

I suggest focusing on season highlights, and adding the other stuff only if it’s unique, short, and impressive. I think the other stuff was more important during COVID when there wasn’t a lot of game footage.

why where jenelli & lomo fired ?

parent complaints ?

This should be good

Who said they were fired?

Lomo moved out of state a while back. You are just here to start the gossip and stir the pot.

Is anyone attending the Elite 88 showcase on Columbus Day? Curious to thought as whether its a quality well-run event.

Sure they will be like every other Showcase for 2025s has been the last few years until this summer. A big money grab.

Pass on that. Instead go to a winter prospect camp on campus at your top 2 choices. Much more bang for your buck and time well spent

the real story would never get passed the mods

Of all the grades on this forum, 2025 post one of the least amount of times. Does that mean they have less parents living through their kids than the other grades? No one ever posts on this grade level. IDK

you must have the inside track...

The 2024 thread was pretty dead for years, and then the fool hit as recruiting approached. I'm guessing the same will happen here.

unlikely

there are just teams you cant mention anymore that ruined it

two years ago the forum was a sewer

Anyone doing the LILJ teams or teams or are they a money grab.

complete and utter money grab but you'll get a nice instagram post

fake news!!!!! no coaches fired

yj wisely hires pal coaches in the early years and brings in the big girls to coach the recruiting years

nothing new to see

Janelli had enough of the fool parents and Lomo had enough of LI and moved. No firings (of those two anyway, we'll see what this year brings).

I dont thinks thats true. Are the parents that bad? i have been on the side lines against Janelli parenets and those ppl are fun. not sure about lomo.

The TEAM was a lot of fun!!
Those Parents were fun to be around.

Janelli's get funner and funner as the day goes on, depending on your perspective...

Anyone's daughter doing the IL ID Experience? Looks like a complete money grab. There's kids posting on Instagram that they made it and they can barely catch.

My daughter was invited and not attending. I don't think the level will be high and no coaches.

All the top girls in the class will be there, and it’s used for individual rankings. You may want to reconsider, unless you don’t care about that

Checking the past years, it seems to have attracted a lot of the top players and commits? Was wondering why? I don’t think it’s a recruiting event, if people looking for that?

NTM most positions already filled and wait list only. Might have missed the boat if you didn’t already register.

Do all the LILJ events you can do, you will be notice and get committed to D1, Juniors Open had 50 top school commits.

The Juniors Open was not done very well and was held at the worst possible time in the recruiting timeline. Hopefully next year it will be run better.

Which is why I was surprised there were a few girls selected from my daughters team that were pedestrian. They made neither Selects or UA at tryouts. And not because of nepotism.

It will be better this year. Changed the dates also to 6/26-28. Will be just before HS National Championships in CT.

haha so true. some of the moms were out of control one year yelling gibberish after over hydrating in the sun all day

works for them i guess they get better every season

Look at the current IL ranking. No Unc coaches daughter. No Dewlax goalie. Is LI weiner girl on there. Coaches don’t care about the Syracuse alum ranking that by paying for their Id experience.

Coaches don't care at all about those IL rankings. There will be some top girls there and some who are very weak players. Most top lacrosse players are also multi sport athletes and in another season right now.

Looking at the roster for the IL, it does seem that top girls from YJ, Grizzle’s, Hero’s, Prime Time, Some and M&D and a few Skywalkers will be there.

Where did you see the roster?

When the girls fill out their profiles, they can see the roster for the 24’s and 25’s.

USA Lacrosse had the results of their "Should athletes be allowed to reclass" poll. Not surprisingly the results were an overwhelming no. I think they will go the way of USA Hockey where kids are placed through birth year not grad year. Of course this will get tricky at High School because of the way lacrosse is recruited, but I'm sure they will figure that out.

this grade locally probably has the smallest ratio of top players who are holdbacks

I would imagine that would have to do with the fact that there will be no five year Covid players at the 2025 level. But it still is a problem and shouldn’t be allowed.

They Shouid spend less on the silly clown uniforms and useless [Censored] and more on experienced coaches. They are in there at the best tournaments. No issue there

Soccer seems to have figured out recruiting pretty well with all of its leagues age-based.

Locally, maybe. MD, however, far from the case.

Anyone having their daughter go to the Philly Phinest Showcase in Charleston. Looks like a lot of top colleges there. Wondering if it's worth the price.

Just clicked on to register my daughter for Juniors Open. 900$!!!!!!! Hard pass

Is it a one or two day event? Do they have payment plans? Ouch! That’s expensive.

3 Day event. I thought last year was expensive...

Three day event.

giant money grab...ridiculous

Not a bad price did you see how many commits they had from it.

So those kids needed to go to the Juniors Open otherwise they wouldn't have committed? Come on.

It’s a ridiculous money grab. As long as people are brainwashed into thinking they have to do all these events, the more will keep popping up. The social media showing girls that committed is marketing. They also played in many other events that got them recruited. If your daughter plays for a top 20-30 team and does the summer circut of tournaments, that is sufficient

Did Juniors. Did UA 150. Did American Select. All last year. All three huge money grabs. Will my daughter commit somewhere, absolutely. Is she getting there because of those events, absolutely not.

The schools she wants to go to we will be going to their camps this year and that is it.

Yep. I wasted sooo much money between travel expenses and those three showcases. If you’re not playing on the 50th ranked team playing the 108th ranked team at these tournaments, you don’t need to go to them. But my daughter loves them for the competition. She feels it makes her better.

LILJ/FLG showing all those YJ commits like it was Juniors Open that got them committed LOL.

There on one of the top teams in the country. They don't play for a team like the Belles or something like that. Nothing against the Belles just if a kid is playing on a top 20 team, most likely they are getting to a top 50 college.

Just ask the 2024's who got fooled into thinking 50-60 coaches would be at Juniors Open watching them .It was like 5 coaches . Biggest scam event ever. They forgot to tell the parents they did not pay any coaches to attend so what makes you think it will be any different.

yet the sheeples keep paying for it for the Instagram posts - the FOMO is strong

I think this year will be different. Changed the dates and list of coaches going to the clinic the first morning is impressive. I assume they are being paid for that and will stick around.

Will be interesting. The date change was to when Under Armour does their 150 event.

Look at last years coaches list, it was the same impressive list for the clinic and about 5 coaches were there.

This should answer the question if any coaches will be there again

always thought the 2025 class was strong but the ones at st A’s looked bad getting dominated by a clow coached 2027 team.

betcha they are all bench warmers on there trvl teams if they even play trvl

hope you spent 50k for other reasons than lax

smh

your kids team LOST by a bunch of goals, your coach got the score removed off tourney machine and then you come on here to make it seem like you dominated and won the game. get a life. it was a fall ball pick up game for the girls to get to know each other and have fun.

What are you talking about 50K? What cost 50K? Also, “smh”!? This must be a kid posting! If not, very sad!

How was the IL showcase? I noticed a couple LI ‘25 girls mentioned as standouts in the article. Some very talented players from all over.

It was the best run individual showcase event we have been to... my daughter had a great time, and she enjoyed playing with and against players from all over.

Well run showcase. LI kids mentioned were standouts for sure, but lots of talent there overall. Families traveled from far distances to attend. I think it many would say it was worth it.

My daughter did the Juniors Open and she has also done the UA150 and hands down….zero question….the UA150 was better so if you have to pick between the two…it’s UA150 all the way! I would not waste another penny on the Juniors Open and would strongly encourage others to pass on that money grab. Less than 5 coaches….I saw dozens of black coaches binders on the ground in the parking lot last year because no coaches came…they call it a “3 day event” but the first day is just a 90 minute practice with your team that half the team was smart enough not to spend the additional $250 for the hotel for the first night so they showed up the next day for the games. You can get a team practice on LI with your travel team and not have to pay for a hotel! LILJ is clearly responding to these posts on BOTC and misleading people that this will be a sought after event….don’t waste your $900! PLUS 2 or 3 hotel nights for this poorly run event! I wish I could get those 3
summer days…2 hotel nights…8 hours of driving and $800 back from last years event. Did anyone feel differently?

Well this year you can’t do both. It’s in the same day. My daughter did UA150 last year and loved it. Will be doing that again. Assuming she makes it.

My daughter also did both events last year. I agree that UA150 was a well run event and many coaches but the top schools went to HS Nationals which was the same days. They're listed on the websites so easy to see. I do think that JO will have top coaches attend this year with the date change and they are named specifically as coming to the extra event on first morning. I totally agree that JO is not worth the $ but nothing really is. My daughter preferred it so we're going back to JO since it's not a financial stress for us. They have publicized some attending players and out of the ten 2025 All-Stars last year at UA150, at least 5 or 6 are committed to JO this year so the level will be high. It means more girls will be able to attend 150 with the talent diluted. I see this similar to what happened to UA when American Select came around. There's something for everyone. Top players do need to do any of this. It's fun and extra if you can afford.

My daughter liked Jr. Open over UA 150.

IL ID was top talent level all around. Obviously no coaches there, but that wasn't the point. I'm sure there were a few top girls not there, but the ones that were there were all Legit.

See that’s where you lose me. There were four girls from my daughters team that are lucky they end up d2. A lot of good top talent there, but it was still fake recommendations from certain clubs that don’t have top players.

they otta bring him back they looked bad sunday

lot of galvin kids on team now

My daughter got invited to IL event but we passed.
Alot of $$ and travel costs for 3 games to be evaluated.
No coaches was the deal breaker. Was told from people that went the year before it was no worth it.

Who did they play on Sunday?

Was only a year and a couple months ago that team was giving coach blue a run for his money...

TRUTH!!!

the jabronies have become iRellavant

were there lots of coaches in tx? did they stay for whole games or just watch the beginning and leave? did they watch just the top teams or did the second and third teams get looks too?

was it worth it overall?

Depends. If you played in the top brackets yes. Usually 15-20 a half at the top few brackets. A couple at the lower ones. Worth it, maybe. But I still would like to have the 2K I spent on this trip and have used it for prospect days instead. I think you get more out of the college clinics than the showcases. Just my opinion.

Some coaches stayed for the whole game. Most stayed a half and then moved on. There were a few that left after five mins. Have a few friends on lower tiered teams and they weren't happy with the amount of coaches attending their games. Said it was about two or three a game where at other tournaments there was about 8-10.

Too many teams and too many games in Texas to get real looks from a lot of coaches.

How will coaches recruit Spallina’s team ? I’m sure he will push hard for the top ones but what coaches will express interest in the ones he doesn’t take ?

Is this a serious question?

did you see the all the coaches watching the first half of all their games ?

Yes! Will others try and fight for kids think JS has the inside track and good chance they would lose.

Look at the other clubs he coached. The top kids including his daughter will go to the big programs. Some will produce, others will not. The bottom half of the roster will scratch for mid tier programs. Some will be overachievers and some not History repeats itself

Isn’t he a top program? Will his daughter and her top 25s friends go to him? It will be Interesting to see!

Our experience was Texas was very productive. My daughter got a lot of hits on her Sports Recruits profile, and coaches were reaching out to our club director. It was worth the trip and the expense. I only wish it had been warmer 🥶

Pirecca may be a good college coach but she is the worst club coach we have ever had: doesn’t show up, curses at the kids, makes kids cry, tells them they are losers and she is wasting her time on them. Honestly embarrassing that jesters allows this.

She is probably on a top team because my daughter’s team is ranked just outside the top 20 last year and there was only two or three at their games. Spoke to other parents in similar ranked teams and they felt the same. One parent from Steps said 30 colleges at every one of their games. So like others have said, I guess it depends.

does it matter when your daughter plays in these showcase games? i noticed the sidelines were filled in the first half when top teams played but then the coaches would scatter at halftime to watch other games limiting exposure for girls who tend to play more in the second half

seems like the coaches focus on the starters which probably makes sense

At this point in the process, your Coaches shouldn't have starters and non-starters. At this point it should be a rotation with kids playing as even an amount of time as possible.

Every club and coach does it differently. I understand your sentiment, playing time since all these tournaments are "showcases," should be split pretty equally.

But this might not be the best way to do it. Right now, the top colleges are looking at 2025s, while the lower-level colleges are focused on the 2024 class. It might be better to play the starting line more this year and then give the next lines more time next year than the starting line, which is already mostly recruited.

This assumes that the bottom of the roster's parents have a realistic opinion of where their daughter fits in the mix - that is a big assumption and where this "ideal" solution will fall short.

This assumes that the bottom of the roster's parents have a realistic opinion of where their daughter fits in the mix - that is a big assumption and where this "ideal" solution will fall short.

Fair point. As someone whose daughter is in the middle I agree with this to an extent. But even some of the top kids parents think their kids are the next Charlotte North. Had one [Censored] parent ranting and raving on the sideline in Dallas every game about going away from what works for the team. (Let my daughter handle the ball) There is 19 other kids on the team.

thats exactly how our club handles the goalies where we have a great one and a good one

Best schools are there for a small part of most games. They want to see as much of the top level that they can. The mid to lower d1 will be around the following fall. Play starters!

Also some (not all) of the committed players become less reliable, which creates more opportunities for other players to shine next year.

For the most part, it's best of time is split as evenly as possible unless the coach knows, for a fact, that a particular college coach is watching a specific player on the roster. In those kinds of cases, that player should get increased time for that game

I think you are wrong. In the fall they look for athletes and express general interest. Athletes that are average and have good skills dont get indentified. Next summer they come back and look closer at those targets, In the fall the average athletes and not elite lax players get recruited by mid to lower D1. Play your starters and top kids and make sure coaches put players in where they can be successful in front of coaches. Syracuse is not recruiting all 20+ players on your team. They need to see the best before they leave at halftime to watch other players on other clubs.

Everything you're writing makes sense. The one thing you have to remember though is that the mid-low level D1 schools are also there to watch their targets. The top 20 schools are not the only ones going to tournaments. The bottom line is that attending showcases and ID camps is significantly more important than tournaments.

I agree with points from both of the last post . My daughter is probably Top 25-50 college caliber. She starts on a Top 10 team while other kids in her position rarely play, and I mean rarely.
Not sure that's entirely fair.

Top 80 teams come to tournaments as well as top 10 teams. I'm not sure a player should play the entire game because Maryland or UNC is at the game to watch your star when Radford or BU is there also watching a lower player on your team. Now, how do you fix this? It's easy in my eyes. Clubs have to stop being greedy and not take 22 players on the team. Take 18. Therefore the bottom 4 on your team will be on another team getting significant minutes.

Not saying I'm right. Just my opinion because I see the other side about having them get major minutes in the Fall, but then why pay all that money for summer if you aren't going to play.

You're right on many points - but I disagree on one thing - the mid-low schools are there, but the majority are on the 2024 sideline right now - except the young, stary-eyed dreamer assistant coaches.

I completely agree that camps are the way to go. We've hit a bunch, and it made it really easy to see which coaches were a good fit and which to scratch off the list, regardless of how interesting the school may be. There was one school my daughter really liked for the academics and the major she's interested in; she came off the field and said, "there's no way I can spend 3 hours a day, 6 days a week with that coach. I'll be miserable. I can't go here."

Yes, my daughter (2024) had similar experiences where she just didn't like a particular coach or the way the current players interacted with ID camp attendees. With close to 1,000 D1 2024 commitments nationwide to date, I have to believe that, for the most part, they are close to being done with 2024s.

If I can pass on some unsolicited advice (having gone through the process as a parent for the past years and as a coach for several years) I think the best thing for all 2025 parents to do is to come up with a list of schools for your daughter to target by this Summer. Hit those ID camps and showcases those coaches will be at all Winter, Spring and Summer. While doing that, pay close attention to the commitments at those schools. You can easily fond those on laxnumbers.com.

"Equal" playing time for the showcases is a complete joke and a disservice to the girls that are actually recruitable. Every club coach would definitely prefer to win games and to do so they would put the best players on the field to achieve that goal. If your daughter is not breaking the starting lineup of your club team, its a pretty clear indication that top 25, or even D1 is not a realistic fit for her to play lacrosse. Everyone says "oh, winning doesn't matter in these years." Not true. You win, you theoretically should move up into the rankings, play against better competition in higher brackets in tournaments where certainly the higher level college coaches flock to. If you don't believe this, next tournament go watch CT. Grizzlies vs. M&D and check out the sideline lined with coaches, then go to Elevate vs. Phantastics...ghost town. Not saying either of those teams (and just randomly picked those two, can insert whatever team...) don't have a few good recruitable girls, but overall its a different level of talent.

This is ridiculous. Some D3 and and ranked d2 teams can beat low end d1 teams and there’s a lot of them. To say a kid who isn’t breaking into the starting lineup can’t play d1 just shows that you have no idea what you’re talking about. My daughter starts on a top 10 team and the person who plays the least at her position (#6 on the depth chart and plays half the game) will certainly be recruited to a top 50-75 team. As well as #1 who plays 60% of the game will be in the Top 5. No doubt about it.

“A disservice to the players…”. LMAO. Everyone of my daughters games this year was attended by 20-35 college coaches. UNC was at everyone of them. You know who else was at everyone of them. BU. The 100th ranked team in the country. Bottom d1 teams need to get players as well.

Guarantee this is the parent who was ranting up and down the sidelines about going away from what makes us win in Dallas.


And your point about M&D vs Grizzlies makes my point for me. You think the sixth best midfielder on M&D isn’t getting recruited to a top 50 school? She is. And guess what. She needs to play to be seen. Yes the 6th best player on the Belles isn’t getting recruited d1. But if you are a top 50 program kids need to be seen. It’s not just about your daughter.

The way the ranking system is set up, you don’t have to win any game to be ranked high in the rankings. A team can go 5-20. Play all top 20 teams, have a gd of -2 and still be to 10.

My team can play Spallina lose 50 straight games by 1 and still be ranked #2. Doesn’t go by wins and loses. Goes by strength of schedule and goal differential AVG not tot.

An example would be Skywalkers. They are 7-5-1 and ranked 5th.

for the good teams the b starters will do better than the a backups

happens every year yet still parents want their kids on the a bench

yeah but my kid is different yeah sure she is look at the history

This right here. "We want to win!" doesn't matter, you only have to be competitive.

As for "starting" vs everyone else, that doesn't really matter either. My kid is goalie and preferred the second half, so that's what she plays. She likes to watch the first half to get a read on the offense and identify the shooters. The other goalie tends to play better first half because she carries a certain vibe into the game. She loses energy standing on the sideline first half, which causes her to come into the game flat.

I really don’t know why is better. Your kid plays on an A team and gets significant minutes. Is an offensive player and scores 4-8 goals a tournament. Your kid is a star on a B or C team playing b or c teams scoring 20 goals a tournament. I really don’t know what is better. I think the kid on either team still has to show up to a camp and play I. Front of that coach.

from experience I would ask to play the first half once in a while

the top coaches scatter in the second half to watch the second tier teams

happened on my daughters team where the second goalie placed way lower even though she was the strongest of the 2

The rankings are a complete joke for 1. Colleges dont care and winning should matter. GD should not. Winning or losing games in a showcase is an issue for some coaches afraid to drop. I do agree all need to be seen but not all seen by top 30 teams will get recruited there with equal time. No team has 20 equal level players and colleges look for the best athletes that produce first.

Bottom 50 D1 coaches, D2 coaches, D3 coaches go to tournaments too.

Yeah but according to that guy it’s a disservice to his daughter to not let her play the whole game because she is more important than a girl going to a team like Colgate.
🙄

It is always better to play the 2nd half, for the reasons the OP said. You can figure out the shooters and your defense has time to get organized. Playing your best is the most important thing for recruiting. The coaches wander back and forth.

She doesn't want to play the first half. She wants to play the half she feels she's the most productive.

All coaches move around to see the kids they are interested in seeing play, regardless of what half it is.

Maybe the second half goalie on your daughter's team wasn't as strong as you think. Maybe she wasn't "marketed" as well as the other goalie. Maybe she chose to go way lower than the other goalie.

If you think a college coach cares whether your kid is a starter on their club team, you're sadly mistaken. If a coach wants to see your kid play, they are going to show up when your kid is playing. If they can't make it fit their schedule, they'll ask the coach to re-arrange the lineup. But, if you think that top 20 schools only want the starters you're going to have to wake up.

yup the best coaches always save their studs for the second half

I would think “disservice” poster’s daughter isn’t Charlotte North but I bet North could get recruited playing half a game. Or Belle Smith, or Cordingley, or the Tyrells or ah you get the point. They don’t have to play the whole game. The original poster who said that was way way off.

The coaches know what half the goalies they are recruiting are playing. Goalies reach out to the coaches that they are interested in and let them know what half they are playing. So the thought that a top team isn’t watching top recruits in the second half and watching second tier teams is almost as ridiculous as the post about not playing the starters the whole game is a disservice post. I pray parents that don’t have a clue about recruiting don’t come here on this site for guidance

This^^^ 100%. I hope people don't come on here looking for sound advice. Unfortunately you get a lot of this on an anonymous message board.

It is very obvious that many who post on this thread know nothing about the sport or the recruiting process. Many of these individuals will get a big wake up call when September 1 rolls around.

College coaches can identify the players they like in a minute or two...

Every kid on a top club team is hoping a high major college calls. They all believe BC/NW/UNC/MD will call if the player really likes the school and has reached out. Kids want to be seen scoring a goal by those schools and think 1 play gets them recruited. The bottom 50 d1, d2 and d3 coaches come back the following fall when kids havent been offered by their dream schools and now willing to listen to them so they have a place to play. This summer the top schools will be looking for the top kids. The Not top tier d1 one will have to decide which players will consider them or pass on the top kids and start the interest with a middle level kid. All the top colleges want the same kids!

This. At a recent camp, Jenny Levy told girls that when she goes to tournaments she "can tell who can play in 5 or 10 minutes". they rest of the team I am watching for intangibles, like supporting teams, hustle plays, good attitude.

Reality is for the top schools, how you play in tourneys is less important. For them, its all about how you play at their camps. When they go to tourneys, they are pretty much just looking for girls to invite to camps.

For instance, I know every offer NW made last year was to girls who went to their camps over the past year.

Not true, my daughter never went to a Northwestern camp and the coaches came to our house to recruit her. She didn’t wind up going there, but why spread rumors that are absolutely not true? I know of other girls that this has happened to as well. You could say the same for the college my daughter committed to as well. She never went to a camp, but was contacted Sept 1.

Please do not post such nonsense, your post is simply not accurate.

Every NW 24 commit went to either their summer or winter camp. That's 100% true.

Maybe, however the program with the best results for 23 and 24 recruits -- Grizzlies -- has "equal" playing time policy. Not completely equal, but every one plays significant minutes every game.

Varies by school. Some schools place much more emphasis on camps and prospect days than others. Generally top 20 programs play a much higher value on camps than middle tier schools. Camps tend to me much more important for Goalies and defenders (or middies recruited as defenders) than offensive players.

Best way to prep is to have your club director reach out to schools and get feedback.

As a general rule, if you know you have some interest, you should go "narrow" and focus on single school prospect days, but if you don't have confirmed interest, you should go "wider" and focus on multi-school showcases or all-star games.

Nonsense.

I know a girl that went to zero camps, didnt play all summer either. Recruited from last fall by the top teams.
Top teams will try for best players even if they didnt attend a camp but have a great eval of her.

I believe this. My daughter went to a ton of things as a B team player and was barely recruited. Several of her A team friends did hardly anything extra and were heavily recruited. If you're good, they know who you are.

I know a girl who never picked up a stick and got recruited to a top team.

The 2 girls I know of played in Maryland on the top team. One was an Acl injury and the other did no school camps. Who is the girl you know ?

Sounds like a 24 parent who realizes that paying to play on an American select C team was a bad investment.

Original poster. Not the case. First example

Oops. Not OP. Mine was the second that begins I’m really not sure what is better

Good to see 2025 finally posting even if most of the posters don’t have a clue.

Maybe every commit went to their camp but every offer wasn't to girls who went to their camps. They offered girls who never went to their camps. Those girls chose other schools.

College coaches do not care where they see a player play. Coaches know what they like when they see it so it doesn't matter where they see it, camp, club tournament, showcase event etc... What the coaches do want to see is athletes competing against the best competition possible.

If your daughter is not one of the best players i.e. "Top 25 - 50" players in the country than it is very important to express sincere interest in the school and the lacrosse program that she is interested in. Going to a camp at a particular school might help convince the coach that you are truly interested in that school. Coaches want players who want to be a part of their program.

Everybody’s journey will be different. What works for my daughter may not be what’s best for yours. To think there is just one blueprint to this whole ridiculous recruiting process wouLd be short sighted.

Remember. It’s a business. All these camps, showcases, clinics etc. it’s a way for these coaches to get paid extra. That’s why 500 kids show up to a Duke summer camp with the coaches only having interest in About 10 kids that are there. My personal favorite is the camp store where you Venmo the Asst coach. 😁. And there’s nothing wrong with that. But it’s a business

THIS.

There's a school my daughter is very interested in. Every time the coach sees her, the coach says, "Where do you want to go to school?"

Every.
Time.

Not sure if that means they take her. I hope so. My daughter loves one school. Goes to every camp they have. They know her by name and say hello when they see her at tournaments. Not sure that means they want her. If it was a lower ranked team, I would feel different. But I definitely think it helps. Who knows and if someone tells you they do, they’re full of it.

Not sure if that means they take her. I hope so. My daughter loves one school. Goes to every camp they have. They know her by name and say hello when they see her at tournaments. Not sure that means they want her. If it was a lower ranked team, I would feel different. But I definitely think it helps. Who knows and if someone tells you they do, they’re full of it.

Some recruiting info if you need/want it…

1. If you are a top tier player, schools have mostly likely already reached out to your director after the fall season about any interest they may have in you as a player.
2. Before attending any camps ask your director or coach if any particular school has shown any interest. They may or may not tell you. [Censored], but it is what it is. Be selective in your camps/showcases - you can spend your whole summer and a ton of money going to camps/showcases that don’t matter to your end result.
3. How you perform on your HS team matters more than most people think. You don’t have to be the best player or on all the scoring lists but at least be a contributor. Hopefully your child is also a multi-sport athlete.
4. Visit the schools you are interested in attending before July. If you have a list of 10 try to visit at least 6-8 without any outside influence. Then gauge how you felt when you left. Every school will give you a different feeling when you leave - don’t disregard it. That feeling is your lasting impression and does matter.
5. Don’t over attend the same camps. Even if the school is interested, they already know you are more interested in them then they might be in you and it will reflect in their offer. If your parents have deep pockets it won’t matter much lol.
6. When it comes time to go on visits and take offers or if you get an offer on Sept. 1 that might not be from a school that is on your list, do not disregard and make sure you show that coach the same courtesy you would to a coach that is on your list. In some instances, a school not on your list may have done more research on you, have a higher interest and may be able to provide a better offer. You may also be a better fit and play more.
7. While athletic full scholarships are possible, don’t think they are handed out like candy. Each program might have 1-3 full athletic scholarship players on the team. Some schools will not give out any full scholarships and will base any future money on your performance and individual awards. Lacrosse programs only get 12 full scholarships that they have to spread out across 30 + players. There are ways to get other money but depends on the school.
8. Don’t brush off any coach that contacts you on Sept. 1. Make sure you respond back and be courteous even if it is to say no thank you.
9. If you don’t get recruited with the first wave. The fall is a get time to get recruited. So show up to play your best as many programs are rarely done recruiting by November. Some are barely half way done.
10. As summer tournaments approach, know that your lacrosse IQ, hard work, communication and being a good teammate can get you further then just your skill. Coaches want to know you have skill but they also want to know you can make the right play and play the game the right way.


Good luck class of 2025

Well look at that. An informative post. Thank you.

Great post from someone who has clearly been through the process.

Agree with everything except point #5. Not saying you should attend every camp, but should definitely attend multiple for your top choice, ESPECIALLY their last chance camp in mid to late August.

Can't emphasis #10 enough. Multiple coaches (including my daughter's current coach (ACC) have said when they watch a game of a prospect they are interested in, 90% of what they evaluate is not skill related. (Are they supporting teammates on the bench? How do they react to a bad play? Are they looking towards their parents in the crowd? What is the team culture (both coaches and parents)?

Here’s a question. Why don’t some club coaches tell you if a school is interested? I think it would be more beneficial to know if “School A, B and C” reached out therefore you can attend their camps.

We've wondered the same thing, and have an idea why. My kid switched clubs, for the better in every aspect, this past fall. The new club has a recruiting coordinator who is also her team coach. We have been non-stop on emails, 90+ for a few tournaments, 40 or so for the rest. She has gotten looks, we've seen the coaches.

To get to the point... the first time she spoke to the club RC she was asked for a Top 10 list and what she considered her "reach" schools. One of her reach schools has an assistant that trained her from the start while she was at a school near us as an assistant coach. She knows my kid, has seen her play and train, and even coached her at a showcase in the fall.That school also has an assistant that the RC knows very well. When my daughter said that school was a reach the RC immediately went into heavy question mode about why it was considered a reach, etc. Since then, they've talked again and the RC has suggested several schools to remove from her list because they are "higher tier schools and probably have their 2025 list in her position set." But, all of these schools have been consistently ranked lower than the school she keeps bringing up and reminding her to keep on the top of her list.

Does this mean anything? Maybe, maybe not. We can only think of two reasons why the RC isn't talking but still pushing the school.... One, there is minimal interest, nothing to get excited over. Or two, there is enough interest that she doesn't want my kid to completely focus on one school and miss other potential opportunities. That's where a stand, we don't know squat about contact but we do know some of the schools that have shown up to watch her play.

In the same boat. Switched teams last year. All my daughter was asked for was a list of her schools in reach fit and safety categories. RC was happy with the list but she don’t tell us who is interested in and who isn’t.

You think coaches have 2025 list of recruits set? I can’t believe that. I think they probably have ideas or who they want but you think they’ve seen everyone already?

No. Talking about interest

LOL, did you see every available human being before you got married? Coaches don't compile an unlimited list of players at each position. If they only intend to take two or three middies that list isn't going to be massive. If they only intend to take one goalie that list position isn't going to be more than 6 or seven deep.

I think they may have some super stars on their list and have some girls penciled in (want to see more), but i think there are players that will be put on their lists this summer. I think the most important recruiting time is this summer with tourneys and camps/clinics, so schedule up like it’s your job and vacation all wrapped up into one this summer.

It won't be 6 or 7 deep in July. Probably closer to 15. Then 5 or so get contacts, maybe 2 or 3 get visits. And then an offer to the first with the next 2 on standby

That's the point. Six or seven deep now means wasting resources to be eight, nine or ten in line. Unless there's incredible talent in the kid, they aren't suddenly going to hop others who've been to repeated camps and in front of the same coaches. That's why some need to be tossed into the reach category at this point and the majority of the effort needs to be elsewhere.

I would assume all the kids are on the same coaches list. I know on my daughter’s team, all the kids want to go to the same schools.

Every girl on the team wanting to go UNC, MD, BC etc, doesn't mean every girl is anywhere near the recruit list for those teams.

That’s it the schools I was talking about. But thank you Kreskin.

Not

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Some recruiting info if you need/want it…

1. If you are a top tier player, schools have mostly likely already reached out to your director after the fall season about any interest they may have in you as a player.
2. Before attending any camps ask your director or coach if any particular school has shown any interest. They may or may not tell you. [Censored], but it is what it is. Be selective in your camps/showcases - you can spend your whole summer and a ton of money going to camps/showcases that don’t matter to your end result.
3. How you perform on your HS team matters more than most people think. You don’t have to be the best player or on all the scoring lists but at least be a contributor. Hopefully your child is also a multi-sport athlete.
4. Visit the schools you are interested in attending before July. If you have a list of 10 try to visit at least 6-8 without any outside influence. Then gauge how you felt when you left. Every school will give you a different feeling when you leave - don’t disregard it. That feeling is your lasting impression and does matter.
5. Don’t over attend the same camps. Even if the school is interested, they already know you are more interested in them then they might be in you and it will reflect in their offer. If your parents have deep pockets it won’t matter much lol.
6. When it comes time to go on visits and take offers or if you get an offer on Sept. 1 that might not be from a school that is on your list, do not disregard and make sure you show that coach the same courtesy you would to a coach that is on your list. In some instances, a school not on your list may have done more research on you, have a higher interest and may be able to provide a better offer. You may also be a better fit and play more.
7. While athletic full scholarships are possible, don’t think they are handed out like candy. Each program might have 1-3 full athletic scholarship players on the team. Some schools will not give out any full scholarships and will base any future money on your performance and individual awards. Lacrosse programs only get 12 full scholarships that they have to spread out across 30 + players. There are ways to get other money but depends on the school.
8. Don’t brush off any coach that contacts you on Sept. 1. Make sure you respond back and be courteous even if it is to say no thank you.
9. If you don’t get recruited with the first wave. The fall is a get time to get recruited. So show up to play your best as many programs are rarely done recruiting by November. Some are barely half way done.
10. As summer tournaments approach, know that your lacrosse IQ, hard work, communication and being a good teammate can get you further then just your skill. Coaches want to know you have skill but they also want to know you can make the right play and play the game the right way.

This one is too late for the 25's but a good point for 26's & 27's. GRADES MATTER SOOO MUCH IN 9th & 10th GRADE. My daughter is going to a $48k school. She got @ $16k for lacrosse but she got $22k for academics. That academic money swayed us to that school. The extra academic money could help tremendously or be a deciding factor if you are looking at a high price school (which most are). Since the recruiting is occuring in the beginning of your junior year you need your grades to already be strong.

30%athletic is a quality offer. Sue must be a top player.

They have lists, only they are not complete lists yet. My daughter has been talking to coaches via the club since November.

It's a notIntelligent game. They can't make contact until 9/1 so instead there's the middle person and the contacts happen anyway. Or, you go to the camps and they can talk to you as much as they want, as long as they don't outright "recruit" you.

My daughter is a 2024 and committed in September. Great offer from a top school on her list. I will say this you will be contacted by a couple of schools you had no idea had interest, and you will not be contacted by several that you were sure were going to make contact. My daughter plays on what would be considered one of the top clubs and this was the general consensus of the girls on our team. We were taught to follow the love and follow the money. Dont chase if interest is not there. WE did go to many camps of school she had interest in and I do think that is a big help. (if it is not a financial burden) . I do believe their is a fit for almost all of the girls that want to play in college. I think it is up to the Coaches (high school and Club) and parents to know your daughter ability and show interest in schools where her ability level is recruited.

Good Luck to all the 2025's, I can tell you my daughter enjoyed the process and I wish the same for all of your daughters.

Also email coaches and asst's of school where you have interest and give them your summer schedule, then e-mail them again on eve of the tourny. And we never said we were not interested in any school that contacted club prior to 9/1. You never know how it is going to go so leave all options open.

Sounds like you had a great experience; nice to hear but the truth for most girls/boys is that it’s very stressful and you are basically on your own. Clubs have so many kids and if you are top 10 on the A team they will get incoming calls but outside of that you must put in the work/effort to help yourself get recruited and have options.
I heard one dad say that went through it s few times that ‘when it’s to late it’s too late”. Be proactive.
Word is also that college staffs have grown tired of dealing with clubs (politics and selling certain kids as porsches when they are hondas). They care alot what your HS coach says; I know for years it was all about club coach but moving back to more communication w/ HS coach.

This is one of the biggest decisions our kids will ever make in their lives; treat it like that. And do whatever you can to avoid the outside Noise!! I know it sounds fool and I always wondered Why, but parents will lie about who is recruiting their kid and all the offers they have received! Its very sad, so keep your mouth closed. worry about your kid and best of luck!! There is a home for everyone

Not sure about the High School coach thing. I guess it depends on if you are at the top high school. But my daughter plays top 5 club and top 200 HS. They aren’t reaching out to her hs coach. I pray they don’t. He’s a buffoon.

100% My biggest fear is a coach asking the high school asking about Lax IQ and hearing "her grades are pretty good."

Then again, my daughters club coaches don’t answer my daughter or her teammate’s emails either. 🤷🏻‍♂️

No college is reaching out to a HS coach unless that HS coach is also a well known club coach. Daughter’s coach is terrible and useless. I don’t even have a lot of faith in thr club coaches. You need to do the work and be persistent. Don’t rely on anyone to get this done for you.

Horrible
Directors need to know and hear complaints
Pay way to much money and all the add on money for guest/special coaches showing up at practices
Their taking advantage

If your club coaches are not doing the right thing why are you paying all that money. Thats their job. Time to move on.

Clubs that have a reputation get the window and door open. The kid has to go through the door herself. Covid is over.

I can name many times where a college coach would reach out to a high school coach before an offer was extended. Usually a 3 minute call to ask about work ethic, personal traits, etc.

This isn’t the early 2000s anymore.

Parent from a 24 here. JO event was very good competition. There were very few college coaches there; but, they had very good film and college coaches watched the games after the event on a regular basis right through recruiting time in September-December. (I know they watched because of sports recruits.) We would get a notice from a college that they watched a game then we'd see a girl commit from one of the teams to that school. Also I believe the new dates will allow for more coaches to be there this summer. Last summer I think it was a black out period the first day? It is expensive but imo was worth it for both the film and the level of play. I'm not sure if my daughter's offers came from this event but it definitely did not hurt her.

Juniors will get more colleges watching this time. Not sure why they put it up against UA150 though but there certainly will be more this year than last year when it was right around July 4th weekend.

This was the experience with my 2023 daughter. Coaches made a quick call to our hs coach just to make sure there weren’t any red flags with the family or how she is as a teammate. These were coaches about to offer who were serious. Our club director handled recruiting conversations for the most part before 9/1.

It was unfortunate, but I believe Juniors was held at a closed period when coaches couldn’t attend? I think bad timing and planning by tournament directors.

+1 Our DD (Maryland private) HS coach gets a lot more attention from college, by that I mean a few more phone calls and longer conversations, than some of the HS coaches from her teammates because he is connected to the club scene and even coached a few current college assistants. But other HS coaches get calls still. Grades, work ethic, how they are as a teammate - especially when it's a big fish in a small pond for some of them.

Key here is your private MD HS coach affiliated with clubs. I get that. For a typical public school with a handful of lax players, who have coaches that literally have no reason being a coach other than they played on a d3 team 40 years ago….no college coach wasting their time.

Yep. If your kids coach played college your lucky.

According to the Athletic Director "she has extensive playing experience in New York, and coached at a high level for several years"

She doesn't own a whistle, doesn't touch a crosse at practice, can't catch/throw and doesn't know basic lacrosse rules or terminology(they don't "mark up" they "locate"). When my daughter suggested the team split an hour before practice... half playing wall ball-half running scoop/cradling drills in 30 minute shifts.... the response was "We don't have time to play around bouncing a ball on the wall, we are learning how to play lacrosse." They have four girls who can catch and throw on the field.

Yep, any coach contacting her will see that she has no clue within the first 10 seconds.

I heard Juniors Open is not holding an event for 2025 girls. Only 2024 girls. Is this true?

I believe they are having the 2025 class. Know many girls who signed up and paid for the event

UA150 notifications out. Surprised that Juniors Open moved to a date that directly competes with another event. Anyway, my daughter got the notification but we already committed to Juniors. Figuring ny/nj will heavily represent juniors and md will represent ua150.

What do you think will be better?

We did them both last year. Seemed like a bit more talent at the Jr. Open but not as many coaches. Could be better this year. I am thinking you are right as far as MD girls will do the 150.

So ridiculous. Both are pay to play money grabs. The only reason it is being talked about is directors plugging their events as anonymous posters.

I heard Junior was awesome ... right. And you're asking for a friend.

P.S. i didn't take the bait last year, but those that did, regretted it.

I don’t think directors need to come on her and post to get kids to go. Parents will do that regardless. Only a handful of insane people like you and me go one lax forums.

From an exposure perspective UA150 is definitely the strong event, though there are usually a bunch of girls there who don't belong.

One thing to consider -- UA150 has a combine. So if your daughter has great measurables, you probably want to do UA150 just for the combine for this reason alone. And before you ask, yes -- coaches really do look at combine results

Love the last sentence because that was what I was going to ask. I also say there are people that are going to Juniors that don’t belong as well. All of these events either applications or try outs are heavily influenced by club directors and relationships.

There is definite influence of club directors. UA150 usually has over 30 M&D girls and 20 Skywalkers girls. Similar states for YJ at Junior Open.

From what I've seen, it looks like UA150 also has some positional quotas as well. Saw some defenders from B teams who made it and some starting middies on top 20 teams who didn't.

There will be politics in any lax event, but based on past year's I'd say Best in Class is probably the "fairest" selection. Watching last year I could maybe name two girls who truly didn't belong. (and both were on top 5 clubs).

What we have been doing, and where we've spent our money, is going to college camps. Camps for schools our daughter is interested in attending. This has been working out very well. We know which of her top schools are interested in her and, which schools she is no longer interested in because of either coaching, players or both. The camps that have the players present are the best. My daughter has become very good at questioning the players that are already at the school. This is very useful in narrowing down her list.

In short, we've been skipping the UA150/JO type events and going to college camps. We're very happy how it is working out. Hope that helps.

Smart move, that's what we are going to do also. You pay $600 just to play in one event in front of coaches who are being paid to be there. Add travel etc. and you can attend three to four prospect days for the same amount.

What's even worse is that we all should have learned that there are only two types of these events.... (1) everyone is invited, which waters down the talent (2) players are selected, which means club coach involvement. If like to see one event, just one, where the players were randomly selected based on play... no background resume, no club coach interference, no location info... just random play. We'd truly see the best kids on the field.

Definitely more than 2. One of the BIC girls is going D3 and she’s not a top club or top d3 player.

These events are challenging to get players into and/or choose them. Sometimes, personal bias shines through with coaches either pulling solely for their team to boost enrollment in their programs, or just bad insights into player positions. I see this a lot with the choice of goalies for events, as coaches don't always get it right.

I do like having a combine at UA150, as it does highlight some level of athleticism, which coaches do want to see.

question from a 2025 parent here - my daughter tore her ACl this past fall and did not get to attend any of the fall tournaments. She will be able to play during summer, but will not be at her best since it will be less than ten months post surgery for her. I would say that my daughter is an above average player, she was at UA150 and the USA U16 combine last summer. We think that there might be some schools interested, but it is hard to tell since she is not from a lacrosse hotbed and coaches have not reached out to her club coach. Does this mean she has no interest? Or what should she be doing to increase her chances of getting recruited?

She is aiming for high academic schools, but we have not been seeing to much interest on our end due to her injury.

I'm terribly sorry to hear that. I think it's every parent's fear, of injury during their recruiting year. My heart goes out to her.

My advice is to check out Lacrosse Masters.

Good luck and a speedy recovery!

I’m sorry to hear this, I can imagine this is very stressful for you both. I would keep doing what you are doing. Keep updating those coaches on her progress and include training/PT workouts video, as well as any video you have from games. She will find a great school.

From our experience (older daughter who’s committed now), most of the sports recruit activity at that age was Spring and Summer of Sophomore year and not much Fall activity. My daughter did a lot of emailing and updating in the Spring, right before her summer tournaments! Good luck to your daughter! Summer will be the most important tournaments for coaches to see her.

If she’s able and healthy enough, get her to the schools camps. You may also want to check out Lacrosse Masters camps to gain exposure to high academic schools! Best of Luck!

Figured this board would be a little more active this being the 2025s most important year. Can’t believe there hasn’t been a hey what’s better post AS or All American post yet.

Whichever your DD makes is better obviously :P

Making All Americans or top team at American Select is a great achievement. Ultimately, what is better will be the team where your daughter knows the coaching staff and will have a better chance of getting playing time.

Haha. This statement is so true.

It really is. Listening to the moms and dads [Censored] talk UA tryouts 2 years ago when their Ds didn't make the callback game was classic lax parenting. No princess, they didn't realize how awesome you are but mommy and daddy do.

UA, which is now NB, is extremely political. The club coaches pick the team, favor their own players and play their own players over better girls. Happens every year. I am not disgruntled. My daughter made the team every year. And every year the same nonsense goes on and the team looses due to selfishness. I think AS is a better run event and a true showcase.

Wow, I couldn’t disagree more and the numbers also disagree. The majority of AS, and I mean the majority, come from the club where the coach comes from. UA has a wide range of club teams represented. Of course there will be some political decisions but from my older girls, who between them have played on both, it seems that UA is better run, better value, and better coached event. It also leads to the UA senior game which it seems is extremely important to the girls

Senior game honorees are selected by IL, and have little to do with getting picked for regional AA teams. It’s the top ranked recruits that are chosen, many who never played UA. I agree that UA/AA is a better value, but in terms of recruiting exposure, it will be more even playing time and not as much play to win at AS. If your daughter is trying to get recruited, I think AS has been better in the past. This year AA is offering a new division, “burn” It will be interesting to see how that goes. AA coaches have spoiled the team with their bias most every year.

AS is just as political. Come on. My daughter made it last year and this year. Every roster is 75% of the coaches club roster. Now. Does that make sense. Maybe. Most of the clubs running it are top10 clubs so you would tuink the majority of players would make it from their home club. But it’s still political.
The All American is hilarious. They already posted their players to watch without even having one tryout. 😁
They’re all the same.

Anyone who thinks any of these are not influenced by their club teams are insane. Whether it’s AS, Best in Class, AA, UA150, Juniors etc. They are all politically influenced from clubs. Every single event my daughter has done came with a recommendation from her Top 5 club coach.

This is funny. Please do AS. Heads up. They “loose” well before the championship game. But hey, maybe your kid will save the day there.

Of the 26 kids on a Long Island AS roster, no more than 15 or 16 will play more than 5 minutes per game. Good exposure if you play for YJ since you will likely get PT. Bad news if you don't play or YJ or aren't a top 20 player nationally. You just paid $600 for some shorts and t-shirts.

Think the bigger problem is the three watered down Long Island teams and none of them JS’ kids

There are rumors that the Balto UA 25 coach is already reaching out to girls essentially offering them spots well before tryouts. Could just be rumors who knows. But UA is super political. And I’m not disgruntled- my daughter didn’t tryout last year and won’t be in town this year so I have no dog in this fight. But having witnessed this process for more than 6 years it’s ALWAYS politics. That’s not to say many girls who make it don’t deserve it - but there’s also ones who don’t. At least with Am Select club/HS ciaches can’t influence who is picked

But club coaches determine who plays. At least for AA, the person picking the team is the same one coaching it so coaches don't end up with bloated rosters or kids they don't want.

Once again you guys are delusional if you think both showcases don’t have club coaches picking who they want. AA already has their players to watch list out for the 23 tournament without having one tryout and AS has 70-75% of the club affiliate on the team. Move on. They are both the same.

Yes, which is why both teams lost last year. Best girls were on bench, while club coach played/started their girls who were overmatched and lost game. Sad

Add NJ to the list of regions that will have multiple AS teams.

It took three years to turn the competing tournament into a joke.

UA teams are clearly mostly picked in advance. My Long Island daughter was offered a spot of the UA West team after a tourney this fall.

It would be better for all involved is that folks picking the team were the same ones coaching the team. More likely for most of the kids who make the team to actually get decent playing time.

Disagree with that. Should be real independent observers picking the teams. And should just be numbers. Not names. Oh. And only 1 team unlike AS who lets everyone play on Long Island. But I paid my 625$ again.

Went like this for us….my daughter easily made team. Both AS and AA. Coach was from different HS/Club. When it came time for the games, said coaches favored their girls. It’s how it is.

Opposite for us last year at AS. Daughter made the team of a different club. Coach played my daughter over some of her own girls. Guess it depends on who is the coach.

Anyone know anything about this Maryland showcase in July? My daughter keeps getting an invite but when you go to the website it doesn’t say coaches in attendance. It only says which coaches have attended in the past. I’ve reached out to the showcase director and asked multiple times but the Hood College coach never returns any emails. I’m assuming money grab.

Independent observers watching kids play selfish lax and trying to put a good team together doesn’t work. Funny how 99% of the kids that make the top team are best players anywhere. Also willing to bet nobody was offered a spot. If they come to tryouts and can’t play they won’t make it past the evaluators. Cry your river somewhere else.

No, independent observers to keep out the friends and family connections. The truly good players will still make the team the majority of the time, but the mediocre players with connections who get pushed through over girls that perform better at the tryout Would be eliminated. That’s how it should be.

And that happens all the time! Unfortunately your evaluation of the mediocre talent is different than anyone elses. I have witnessed head scratchers at UA and American Select which does have independent evaluations. Sounds like you are saying find someone that sees the same things you do or pick your daughter anyway.

If you think there isn't influence you're [Censored] fool. Just ask the LIYJ girl from several states away how she made an AS team without being at the tryout.

Did anyone else catch the dates for Youth National team tryouts?

No local LI tryout this year. The closest tryout is Upstate and the same day as Lax For the Cure. Only realistic option would be to go to MD Memorial Day weekend which is right in the middle of playoffs.

Has anyone every submitted through the virtual option in the past? Feels like the only option for most LI girls.

Juniors rosters out. Why can't there just be one best of the best tournament. Now Juniors competing with UA150. AS with AA. Everyone has to make money I guess. I'm guessing Long Island does Juniors and MD does UA.

Honestly, I think if I got a website up and running, got permits for a place. Paid college coaches to show up to an event and came up with a catchy name, say "Next Level Showcase" or Lax Champions, Parents would love to hand over $600 for a two day tournament. Anybody want to go partners?

Have the YJ girls been given their team assignments for AS yet? There appears to be a lot of Jester, TG and Empire girls going to tryouts in various other areas.

The rules are pretty straightforward for roster selection. Evaluators pick 20 players (2 goal, 18 field) per team. The club running the tryout can add to the roster as they see fit. Its the reason LI teams have 26 girls while most other regions have 20-22 per team.

Are there only 3 2025 teams??

Selling a dream to lemmings. Hard truth will hit most on Sept. 1

The "club" isn't supposed to have any involvement in the selection of the team. If you read about the process closely, that's one of the things that AS points out clearly.... that the selection process ISN'T controlled by any club. But we know LI works differently than other areas, that's why the girls are going to other regions.

Not sure how they are going to other regions. Clearly stated in FAQ’s that “Players must try out in the designated region in which they live”. Also for previous poster it says 22 players, “20 field / 2 goalies

No they are just dropping the rosters slowly. They just dropped my daughter’s red roster. There’s two girls on her team that could barely catch let move their feet. So much for Juniors is different. Guess Juniors is like all the rest. Should be a few more teams. They are missing quite a few of my daughters teammates who made it as well.

It also says that no clubs will be involved in the selection process...... but we see how that works in LI Ave surrounding regions don't we??

Regardless of how that was communicated that was never the deal. Giving clubs 2 roster spots, coahcing stipends, in addition to 25% of tryout fees was part of the deal in getting them to host and sponsor this event for their region.

[quote=Anonymous]Juniors rosters out. Why can't there just be one best of the best tournament. Now Juniors competing with UA150. AS with AA. Everyone has to make money I guess. I'm guessing Long Island does Juniors and MD does UA.

We were all sold some major BS and I have not spoken to anyone not livid. Juniors was terrible last year and were told there would many of these issue resolved biggest issue was roster sizes instead teams have between 7-9 midfielders and every team has 7 attackman people will be dropping out

Roster size is insane. 25 kids in my daughters team

Coaches were still looking at 2024 players in the fall. You have time. It’s a stressful journey, but players seem to find a place that fits them.

There is. It's called Best in Class. If you look at rosters this year or last, the talent is well above either UA150 or Juniors.

Roster size isn't even the biggest issue. It's that you have high school or club coaches coaching most of the teams. Good luck to anyone on those teams not from Long Island.

Stop. Best in Class is not different. The only difference is there’s not 440 kids playing the same day. There’s a couple of kids from a jersey team going that can’t even catch every ball. Riddle me this. How is best in class the best when you lose a majority of the best players in NY because they can’t go because they have regents going on the same day. Best in class isn’t watered down like juniors and UA 150 because they are competing against each other the same day. No one is competing against BIC. Well, except NYS Regents. But it is still heavily influenced by clubs.

LMAO

I thought talent was consistently solid across board last year at Best in Class compared to UA150. 90%+ of the 2024s who attended are committed.

90% of the 2024 that attended UA150 are committed as well.

Be honest. You either own it or have a hand in it. Deemer? Is that you? All kidding aside it’s good but like the other poster said. They’re all the same heavily influenced by club directors and coaches.

Maybe. I'm not so sure about that. BiC made multiple direct contacts over Instagram with my D and wanted her there. Unfortunately, it conflicts with the NY Algebra II Regents exam. I don't think that level of interest is coming because a club director dropped some names.

My daughter attended UA freshman year and Best in Class, Juniors Open sophomore year. Hands down Best in Class was the better of the 3. BIC had legit coaches not only coaching, but also evaluating. Talent was off the charts at BIC compared to the other events. Juniors Open didn't have the college coaches, but not sure if they are getting them to come this year. That was just games. UA - combine and games, not really learning much. But had some coaches. Best bang for your buck was BIC. Go look at the names of the rosters at BIC and you will see for yourself.

Two things regarding your post. 1st which I have made in the past. How can BIC be considered to have the best players in a showcase if you are leaving out basically 75% of the top players in NY. 2nd, just because your daughter got an invite from them over Insta doesn't mean anything regarding the other 125 players. Sure there are kids that belong there. But there are certainly kids that don't. There's two kids going from NJ that play defense. Watch them catch the ball. Gives everyone a chance to pad the ground ball stats.

My daughter has done all three as well. As my original post stated There isn't one definitive best players showcase because Juniors and UA 150 are going up against each other. Juniors has the North east players and UA 150 has the Maryland and DC kids.BIC negates most top players from NY. I don't think you can go wrong with any three as long as there are coaches there watching. Its like whats better AA or AS? IT doesn't matter as long as coaches show up to both, which they do. But the original post was that there isn't one definitive best of the best. And the reasons are mentioned above. If BIC did it in July, I would say they would probably win out. But if 25 of the top 100 players aren't there because of Regents, you can't say that.

Go look at the names of the rosters at BIC and you will see for yourself.

I haven’t seen a roster for BIC. Where can you see this other than just the names they drop on Instagram?

All of the these events are unfortunately diluted at this point. When my older daughter played, the top events were Max Exposure (best camp & competition) UA Underclass tourney, and UA 150 had a huge coach attendance. Now you have multiple "elite" events competing on the same dates and even more regions with multiple teams at AS and 3 levels now at AA event. College coaches also want to host their own camps which they have to fit in around tourneys as well and cannot be at everything. All of these events will be attended by coaches, but not in the numbers they used to because it is divide and conquer. There is no longer that singular elite event anymore, but I guess the positive is that is due to the growth of lacrosse. Just have your daughter do what feels right for her and play her best!

Perfect post. 👏👏👏

This is probably stuff you shouldn’t advertise and brag about as it’s against the rules, even though it happens a lot.

Rosters from AS are trickling out. Some interesting cuts but most affiliated teams taking 75% of their team which kinda makes sense.

All LI games is the only thing that needs to be done

All LI Games??? Why??? What coaches are scheduled to be there? Head coaches?

My daughter is a middie on top 5 - 10 club team who will be at all major tourneys against top ranked clubs. She is doing Juniors, AS and hitting three colleges in her top 10. Is this enough for the summer before her recruiting? She doesn’t get a lot of support from her club coach or director. They never answer emails. Do I need to do more showcases or try to do the USA tournaments? Thanks.

If she is at LFTC and mid summer championship. She is fine. Scrap AS. And ger her to UA. Not even a questions.

Agree. Assuming she plays on a top club team which is in top 2 or 3 brackets in each of those tourneys. If you are playing in bottom brackets, especially at LFTC, you won't get much D1 exposure.

Always in the top 2 brackets. I was thinking her top 3 choices go hit those college id’s. And then Juniors and AS. No choice between AA and AS. That’s where the team goes. Figured that would be enough.

You are fine with AS. My daughter did AS her recruiting year and that was where there was some of the most D1 coaches at ! Had lots of interest/activity on SR page from that. My understanding is, they split their time between AS and UA. They were def. At AS and I personally saw most all the top schools represented there. Don’t question that one.

AS should be fine (compared to UA/AA). There were a ton of coaches at AS last summer and I'd expect the same this year. Good luck!

Serious question. What top 10 club team doesn't have recruiting support?

One where the coach or recruiting director never answers emails or texts. I know kids on the 100th ranked team that don’t have that problem.

Stick with the school ones. My daughter signed up for the Maryland Showcase which is owned by the Hood College coach. Been emailing the coach for two months telling her my daughter can’t make it because she is now in my cousin’s wedding party. Keep in mind, they’re sold out and have waiting lists. Finally got back to me which is understandable. She gave me the “sorry been busy coaching my team. There’s no refunds.

Left out, they’re all moneygrabs. The Maryland Showcase seems to be the worst.

Left out, they’re all moneygrabs. The Maryland Showcase seems to be the worst.

Please…do not waste your on Maryland Showcase. It was absolutely terrible. Terrible

Haha. I asked for the money back too. She said nope. Has to be the only one that does that. They still didn’t release any colleges. Want to kill my daughter. I think I rather not have her show up and eat the 400$. Rather than pay another 350 in hotels for her to go there

Btw. BOTC needs to use a better CAPTCHA

We are signed up for the Maryland Showcase too. What is so bad about it other than the obvious price lol? I swear we need to create a review forum for these showcases so us newbies can look and not waste our $. Ugh!

1. They don’t tell you what colleges are going. before you register she’ll tell you 100 colleges responded yes. After you register you can ask her who, and she doesn’t tell you. “Wait till we get closer.”

2. They don’t give refunds. So in my daughters instance, she can’t attend. Therefore we wasted 400$. You would think Barber would want kids there, but apparently all she cares about is money. Otherwise she would refund some portion of my daughters money and open a sport for a kid on the waiting list. Instead, my kid doesn’t go and some kid looking to go doesn’t get to go either. Probably the only showcase/camp with that kind of policy.

1. They don’t tell you what colleges are going. before you register she’ll tell you 100 colleges responded yes. After you register you can ask her who, and she doesn’t tell you. “Wait till we get closer.”

2. They don’t give refunds. So in my daughters instance, she can’t attend. Therefore we wasted 400$. You would think Barber would want kids there, but apparently all she cares about is money. Otherwise she would refund some portion of my daughters money and open a sport for a kid on the waiting list. Instead, my kid doesn’t go and some kid looking to go doesn’t get to go either. Probably the only showcase/camp with that kind of policy.

I spoke to a few people who have gone. They said you get a d3 coach to coach your team. You play against other teams and coaches aren’t really engaged in watching. It’s a big hang out for them. Coaches stay off the side together not watching and socialize. Also mostly D3 teams are there which is not how they advertise. My daughter is looking to go to D 1 teams. Doesn’t really help us. Asked for my money back in February. She never responded. Good for the kids looking to go D3, just not what we were looking at. Feel it’s gonna be a waste of 1000$ and two days we could’ve went somewhere else.

Yes so we are looking at D1 schools also and assumed it would be be mostly that not D3. I am gonna be so annoyed if that happens.

Before signing up for anything, try asking people who have been through the process before. You Could try asking on a site like this.

My daughter is past the recruiting age process now and we wasted countless $$s on many “money grab” showcases!! Enough probably to pay a years tuition of college! Spend your money on good training and limit the “showcases”. The Most important part is your club Fall/Summer tournaments and the extras like UA/AS if selected.

You can target extra stuff where the actual college coaches Your daughter is interested in getting in front of is at. (I.e. Lacrosse Masters for high academic schools) Save the $s from showcases and use it to attend the individual college camps of your daughters interest. Make sure to have a good recruiting profile set up somewhere like Sports recruits and self market to get daughters info. And game schedule In front of coaches before the tournaments. Good Luck!

There are much better options out for non-invite showcase. Elite 12 and Southern Showcase to name a few.

Before covid it was called Maximum Exposure. That was run by Coach Reese and the Loyola coach. That was the best showcase going. Every college coach was there and it sold out fast. Since then, this maryland showcase is like the evil twin. Disguising itself as the same tournament. But not

Never seen anything like it before but she is a D3 coach so she can get away with it I guess. Every single showcase or college ID give refunds. Some keep a portion. She just don’t give anything. Even if you kid is injured, no refund. She can go play next year. Which you won’t because she’s already gonna be committed most likely. Barber could care less about kids. It’s a business for her. Hopefully enough people [Censored] the showcase and they’ll change their policy for future years. But if it keeps selling out, they won’t.

Right down to the color scheme. They are the worst. Apex is even better.

I thought I was being smart because we don’t have a lot of time to hit up individual schools we would do this showcases and get exposure to lots of coaches. My daughter still can’t pinpoint where she wants to go so we can’t visit specific schools and do camps yet. I just don’t have the time. I guess lesson learned. After this summer I am done with showcases. This entire process is such a business I almost feel like she shouldn’t play in college

Don’t get discouraged. You DO NOT need to do those extra showcases to get recruited to play college lacrosse. We have lots of friends who just did their team tournaments and the school camps after they received interest from the schools. Many of them are recruited now to play D1 lacrosse.

There are 127 D1 schools that offer women’s lacrosse, And, over 500 total colleges with women’s lacrosse programs! If your daughter wants to play in college, stay positive and she probably can. You do not need the showcases! You do need to set up a good sports recruit profile and be diligent about self marketing all her highlights and accomplishments! Good Luck!

This one may be the biggest joke of all of them. I just got an email saying you have to buy the shorts. It’s mandatory. The fact that there were 200 buffoons like myself to give this coach 400$ is fool. I should start a lax showcase.

Yes plus the $12 shipping and tax. We’ve never paid for pinny’s let alone shorts. What a waste of $$$ and time. I too am a buffoon 🤣🤣🤣

Hood College coach. I don’t blame her. Why can she possible make there. She’s probably pulling in 400k this weekend. Obviously that’s gross. Surprised she doesn’t charge the kids a 2$ ball fee for using their balls. Looks like this is why there’s so many showcases. Prints money.

Does anyone remember the UA Senior Game last year? The South team was awful and was full of handpicked big program kids. Ty had no effect on the Norths stellar offense.

Selection for Senior game is completely different than UA. As for AS not having influence, take a look at how many of the kids are from the same clubs where the coaches happen to also coach. Everyone always complains about politics in UA and maybe that is an effect of 1-2 kids but these coaches want to put the best team on the field. It’s ok if these kids make it and ok if they don’t. Unless they are winning mvp of the tourney it really doesn’t impact college selections drastically.

They totally have influence in both. AA is less political now but that is only because most of the top teams with the exception of Spallina are selecting at AS. But even this year, Spallina lost a couple of his kids to AS. And if there wasn't an AS tournament the same day as AA, all those top players from AS would be politically selected to go to the AA. Club coaches are politically in everything they are involved in. That being said, I know the downstate coach cut both of her own goalies. I can only imagine what is being said over there. A devil's advocate argument you can make is if the 2nd team in the country is running a team at AS, wouldn't you expect 75% of all those Capital or M&D players to make the team even if it wasn't political. Usually a top team from a region is excellent top to bottom.

Long Island and Maryland teams will always be outstanding at both tourneys.

The challenge is in other regions without the depth of talents. Usually talent goes to one event or another. For instance, for DC, American Select usually has better team and in the South and Upstate the best girls usually go to AA.

If I am understanding your comments, I disagree with your premise. In my opinion the top club teams and high school teams don’t have the best players at every position, What the great teams have are some amazing players at certain positions and very good players at the remaining positions. While other clubs and high schools that aren’t top programs can have amazing players as well but the roster gets thin quickly. To pick a team from one club or high school like I have seen in AS with 75%+ from one club is disregarding some amazing players from “other clubs” that go on to have a lot of success.

Of course there’s gonna be a ton of players that don’t make these teams that will go on and have a lot of success. There are also a ton of parents who think their kid is the next Aaron Rogers or to keep it on wlax the next Charlotte North. I’m sure you have a few of those parents on your daughters club team. My daughter has done both AA and AS since she has been on two clubs the last three years that did different events and I will say for us AS was 100% a more competitive team with top to bottom amazing players then AA where there were girls on that team that wouldn’t make a high school varsity team. One team was picked by the 5th team in the country according to those [Censored] rankings. And one team was picked by like the 40th.
And on both teams there was around a 75% clip of nepotism

On AA when it was Under Armour it was horrible. Kids couldn’t catch last year. I’m sure AS misses some amazing players on a team that isn’t considered a top team. But that’s where the other 25% come. As someone stated on a previous post, Downstste cut both goalies but took 16 other PT kids. They had the guts to cut their goalies that have been on that team for years with them. I heard they did the same thing last year annd because of that three kids left their team. I think where it gets dicey is the ridiculous multiple teams they are putting out. Last year YJD made it. They didn’t do well

US Club out with a money grab list. I only recognize about 5-6 names in that list they put out today. But maybe that’s why they do it. To get the other girls recognized.

Yj Goalie and Steps kid are really good. Steps kid is a reclass though. So she’s a cheater. 😁

YJ Spallina record since 2021 is: 43-4-1
Opponents seem to be pretty legit

Fall 2022:

2022-11-05 09:30 STEPS Elite NJ Navy (2025) LONG ISLAND ELITE LACROSSE:PRIME TIME RECRUITING S: RED 2025 11 - 4
2022-11-05 11:00 CT Grizzlies Navy (2025) LONG ISLAND ELITE LACROSSE:PRIME TIME RECRUITING S: RED 2025 7 - 6
2022-11-05 12:30 MD United East (2025) LONG ISLAND ELITE LACROSSE:PRIME TIME RECRUITING S: RED 2025 13 - 3
2022-11-13 07:45 Phantastix Purple (2025) LAX FOR THE CURE:FALL SHOWCASE 2022: Ruby 2025 7 - 2
2022-11-13 09:15 Eagle Stix Blue (2025) LAX FOR THE CURE:FALL SHOWCASE 2022: Ruby 2025 8 - 2
2022-11-13 10:45 STEPS California (2025) LAX FOR THE CURE:FALL SHOWCASE 2022: Ruby 2025 10 - 4
2022-11-19 09:00 Eagle Stix Blue (2025) IWLCA:PRESIDENTS CUP 2022: 1 2025 11 - 3
2022-11-19 13:00 Sky Walkers Blue (2025) IWLCA:PRESIDENTS CUP 2022: 1 2025 8 - 6
2022-11-20 10:00 Limitless Elite (2025) IWLCA:PRESIDENTS CUP 2022: 1 2025 16 - 3
2022-11-18 19:00 CT Grizzlies Navy (2025) IWLCA:PRESIDENTS CUP 2022: 1 2025 10 - 6

2021-2022:

2021-11-13 08:30 Philly Blast Pride (2025) LAX FOR THE CURE:FALL SHOWCASE 2021: Pink 2025 14 - 3
2021-11-13 10:00 STEPS Elite NJ Carolina (2025) LAX FOR THE CURE:FALL SHOWCASE 2021: Pink 2025 15 - 1
2021-11-13 11:30 Team One Wildcat (2025) LAX FOR THE CURE:FALL SHOWCASE 2021: Pink 2025 12 - 2
2022-06-11 12:30 Hero's Green (2025) LIVE LOVE LAX:GIRLS SUMMER 2022: Trust 2025 9 - 6
2022-06-11 14:45 Capital Blue (2025) LIVE LOVE LAX:GIRLS SUMMER 2022: Trust 2025 7 - 6
2022-06-25 14:40 HHH Philly (2025) LAX FOR THE CURE:SUMMER 2022: Scarlet 2025 4 - 9 (Loss)
2022-06-25 17:10 Limitless Elite (2025) LAX FOR THE CURE:SUMMER 2022: Scarlet 2025 9 - 3
2022-06-26 08:50 Capital Blue (2025) LAX FOR THE CURE:SUMMER 2022: Scarlet 2025 9 - 6
2022-06-26 11:20 Prime Time (2025) LAX FOR THE CURE:SUMMER 2022: Scarlet 2025 13 - 3
2022-06-26 14:10 Hero's White (2025) Lax for the Cure 3 - 2
2022-06-26 13:00 Mass Elite White (2025) LAX FOR THE CURE:SUMMER 2022: 2025 4 - 2
2022-06-26 14:30 STEPS Elite NJ Navy (2025) LAX FOR THE CURE:SUMMER 2022: 2025 2 - 3 (Loss)
2022-07-08 15:30 Monster National Purple (2025) G8:SUMMER 2022: White 2025 10 - 5
2022-07-08 17:45 HHH Philly (2025) G8:SUMMER 2022: White 2025 9 - 4
2022-07-09 12:30 Mass Elite Red (2025) G8:SUMMER 2022: White 2025 4 - 5 (Loss)
2022-07-09 14:00 STEPS Elite NJ Navy (2025) G8:SUMMER 2022: White 2025 8 - 7
2022-07-12 10:30 PRIDE RED (2025) USA LACROSSE:YOUTH NATIONALS 2022: White Girls 15U (2025) 14 - 1
2022-07-12 13:50 All Lax Select (2025) USA LACROSSE:YOUTH NATIONALS 2022: White Girls 15U (2025) 16 - 2
2022-07-12 17:10 MD United East (2025) USA LACROSSE:YOUTH NATIONALS 2022: White Girls 15U (2025) 10 - 4
2022-07-13 10:00 STEPS Elite NJ Carolina (2025) USA LACROSSE:YOUTH NATIONALS 2022: Girls 15U (2025) 13 - 2
2022-07-13 12:00 Prime Time (2025) USA LACROSSE:YOUTH NATIONALS 2022: Girls 15U (2025) 10 - 5
2022-07-13 15:00 STEPS Elite NJ Navy (2025) USA LACROSSE:YOUTH NATIONALS 2022: Girls 15U (2025) 4 - 8 (Loss)

2021:

2021-07-10 15:30 Mass Elite Red (2025) G8:SUMMER 2021: White 2025 10 - 5
2021-07-10 18:30 Monster National Purple (2025) G8:SUMMER 2021: White 2025 7 - 5
2021-07-11 09:30 STEPS Elite NJ Blue (2025) G8:SUMMER 2021: White 2025 9 - 4
2021-07-11 12:30 Hero's Green (2025) G8:SUMMER 2021: White 2025 3 - 7
2021-07-11 15:30 Sky Walkers Blue (2025) G8:SUMMER 2021: White 2025 10 - 5
2021-07-13 10:00 Salt City Snipers (2025) USA LACROSSE:YOUTH NATIONALS 2021: Yellow Girls 14U (2025) 10 - 1
2021-07-13 14:00 Team 91 Carolina (2025) USA LACROSSE:YOUTH NATIONALS 2021: Yellow Girls 14U (2025) 15 - 3
2021-07-13 17:00 STEPS Elite NJ White (2025) USA LACROSSE:YOUTH NATIONALS 2021: Yellow Girls 14U (2025) 15 - 0
2021-07-14 09:00 Prime Time (2025) USA LACROSSE:YOUTH NATIONALS 2021: Girls 14U (2025) 10 - 7
2021-07-14 12:00 Yellow Jackets LI Janelli (2025) USA LACROSSE:YOUTH NATIONALS 2021: Girls 14U (2025) 11 - 5
2021-07-14 14:15 STEPS Elite NJ Blue (2025) USA LACROSSE:YOUTH NATIONALS 2021: Girls 14U (2025) 5 - 4
2021-07-17 08:45 Salt City Snipers (2025) 2021 MidAtlantic Summer Club Championships 2025 9 - 7
2021-07-17 10:15 Limitless Elite (2025) 2021 MidAtlantic Summer Club Championships 2025 11 - 3
2021-07-18 12:45 3D Maryland Frederick (2025) 2021 MidAtlantic Summer Club Championships 2025 6 - 6
2021-07-18 14:15 Yellow Jackets South Blue (2025) 2021 MidAtlantic Summer Club Championships 2025 13 - 2

Talk of teams is encouraged any individual player talk won’t be tolerated Enjoy your summer and your children

some people just cant help themselves.....sad

Still in shock with a few days to go before recruit summer starts this forum is dead. At least Spallina changed one of his games.

Stalking other teams schedules is just weird…..they are one of the top 2-3 teams in the country, bottom line. After all these years you still can’t accept it? I understand not liking them, but they are legit….time to worry about our own kids during this recruiting year

What should we be discussing?

where did that bertolone team come from ? they were impressive against my daughters team. thought they were a lower tier yj team

They were missing approximately 10 players due to NY State Championships. A few of the girls from Spallina team helped them out on Saturday

Most brackets were competetive yesterday. Some teams put themselves in lower brackets just to pad their rankings. We know ranking are nonsense but The way the system is set up, play the 40th ranked teams who have an 90.00 rating and beat them by ten, that will jump you up to the top 10 with an insane ranking. You can tell looking at the goal differential what teams were properly in a bracket and who wasn’t. And many teams were missing players. Not like the 10 from YJ. That’s fool.

I didn’t write fool. Put in a word that rhymes with hazy. Meaning holy cow. 10 players

Looks like Spallina is dodging M&D 2025 Black. Don't see them on the list of games played.

M&D didn’t look great. Sure they were missing players. Lost to Skywalker’s and tied Prime Time who was also missing four or five.

I’m sorry. Beat Prime Time by 1.

m &d lost to the yjb team ? why would anyone dodge them?

That 3D Maryland tied doesn’t look impressive. I believe that lost to YJB was in a shorten L4C championship game, which Spallina didn’t make.

Its the players recruiting year people....who cares about games from 3-4 years ago. Good luck to all the players as 9/1 is quickly approaching!

me red beats them again this weekend

Couple takeaways from the last two weeks. M&D not as good as advertised. Wonder if they lost kids. Can’t speak about YJ because the two tourneys had Spallina kids sprinkled on other teams. Prime Time has a potent offense but not great defense. Skywalker’s look really good! Monster buffoned themselves against Eagle Stix and then the coach embarassed himself with the refs. But no one is beating Spallina when they show up. Didn’t catch any Capital fl

M&D is missing one of top girls to injury. How did Monster lose to Eagle Stix? Missed that one

-One of M&D top players is injured, hasn't played yet this summer
-A few Spallina kids were only sprinkled in for 2 games with Bertolone team on Day 1 of live, love, lax. Day 2 they played shorthanded
-YJ Thorn/rella were full strength at both tourneys

Wasn’t just the loss. Lost 9-3. Towards end of the game coach got notIntelligent with officials when they gave a girl yellow card. After the game he was laughing with Maryland and UNC coach so it didn’t appear he embarrassed himself too much.

Spallina vs. Heros was great game until the second half. Heros fell apart and kept throwing away the ball……
Monsters vs Skywalkers was also close but because of turnovers Skywalkers gave it away

M&D beat Spalina at LFC fur the championship. They are the #1 2025 team.

M&D may have beat Spallina, but they didn't win the championship. They lost to Sky Walkers.

Then Sky Walkers is #1 with that logic since they have beat M&D 3 times straight.

A report from Under Armour 150. Very few coaches. But at least she got shoes and three shirts

stop the detest

chunky brewster is legit

Second the report from UA 150. Full disclosure, did it last year as well and thought it was well organized. This year was a disaster. Didn’t know how to communicate with parent after a lightning delay. And yes. Almost no D1 coaches. Saw Nova and American watching a game, that was it.

Heard Juniors had many more coaches. Some watching intently, some just catching up with other coaches.

I'm here at UA150 too. I've seen a few more coaches, but nowhere near last year. Most watched event so far was the combine testing.

Supposedly more coaches are expected tomorrow, but not sure if I fully believe that.

Question for anyone who went to both Juniors Open and Best In Class.

How did the talent levels compare? 26 just did BIC this year and curious if we made the right decision.

We’re you one of the many sitting on the Peking lot not knowing they cancelled the 3 o’clock game? There was about ten parents irate

The coach for monster purple 25 is a clown. Has no self control and usually is the one getting the cards himself. Runs up and down the field screaming and jumping. I heard he is parent that figures

Saw a few more at second game including MD asst. Pitt, Xavier, Binghamton, American, UMBC, South Florida, Clemson, Duquesne... That said, we expected more/

Yep. I wasted $625 as well. That was in the four years I’ve been doing showcases with my kids the worst experience ever. And that’s saying a lot because I have been to the Maryland Showcase. Daughter was excited, there was 6 coaches at her 1st game today. Zero and second and third.
At least they’ll be 20-30 coaches at her next tournament. Some of those kids play on teams that don’t have tons of coaches showing up and this was one of those chances.

You paid for those......

Obviously. But now I can look at it like I wasted 425$ instead of 625

UA 150 was a let down this year. Lots of top girls did not attend and few coaches at games. Maybe better for the 2026 class

Juniors being the same day definitely split the top girls. South girls went to UA and North East went to Juniors. But I was told Juniors was just as bad as UA.

Tons of coaches at Juniors.....lots of top 25 schools as well

So the takeaway is do Juniors over UA 150?

UA150 2025 parent here, not a Director trying to sway to attend one showcase over the other. There was plenty of top talent this year and D1 coaches. Villanova, Pitt, JMU, Xavier, Marquette, Louisville to name a few. The weather delay was poorly communicated, agree.

There were plenty of top players and D1 coaches at UA.

I would say do neither. Take the 1k$ split that into two college I’d camps. Can’t convince me otherwise these days that the only people who should do these types of showcases are the kids on lower ranked club teams that get very little colleges watching them play.

Juniors was excellent and over 50 schools present

Definitely Juniors over UA150! The top D1 coaches were at Juniors. You just have to be realistic about kids talent. If not D1 level, don’t waste your money here.

How do we know if our kid is D1 level?

Define plenty. I never saw more than six at any of my daughter’s games.

Easily 12-15 at wednesdays game

say it LOUDER for the people in the back

Maybe the championship game. The only time I saw 15 coaches is when they were hanging out with each other under the coaches tent nowhere near any game

September 1st ... The recruiting process will give you a very good indication of where you daughter stands.

If the player has "Not" been in front of the majority of college coaches the above may not be accurate. The college coaches need to see players play against strong competition in order to form their best opinion.

Although it's not an exact science, the collective opinion of the college coaches is the best indicator.

detest to say it, but if you aren't getting interest by now, your daughter probably isn't. After President's Cup, your recruiting director should have shared which school were at least somewhat interested and wanted you to attend their prospect days. I

appreciate the feedback as we have to get our kids ready for life after lax. Thank you

Yes but this requires two things to be true -
1) your daughter has a good idea of where she wants to go
2) you have a realistic view of where your daughter can play

2 is especially hard

Ask whoever is in charge of recruiting at your club. If they don't know, or won't be honest with you, then to be honest you have an uphill battle in front of you.

By recruiting year, if a kid is D1 playing level ? You and your club would most likely know ability of the player by then. However, there is high D1 and low D1s. So, your club recruiting specialist, should be able to give you some feedback as to where your kid would be able to go and play lacrosse in college. If not D1, there are so many options and most kids will be able to play somewhere if they are a decent player on LI. D1 is not the be all, end all of college lacrosse. Just try to figure out realistically the level of play your kid is, and spend your money wisely in pursuing “the dream”.

Hopefully , lacrosse opens college doors that would not otherwise be open for your kid! That should be the real objective. Good Luck!

nope.. it was game 3 of 2nd day... I'm not turning this into a pissing match though so whatever

Be very careful who you listen to, (I would not listen to the above advise).

The college coaches will let you and your daughter know what level they believe your daughter is at. Do not rely on "recruiting directors" "club directors" "HS Coaches" etc...

Let the college coaches determine for themselves if they believe your daughter can play for them.

Your job is to do your best to make sure that your daughter gets in front of as many college coaches as possible.

Your daughters job is to do the best she can when she is playing.

Both you and your daughter must make the coaches aware of who your daughter is and that she has sincere interest in the coaches school and their lacrosse program.

Remember this:

* No coach gets all the players that they want.

* The "recruiting process" will go on for some time.

* The process is fluid, the landscape changes constantly. Every time a player commits coaches from other programs reevaluate their lists.

* There will be many rounds of players committing.

* Stay positive and help your daughter to do the same.

UA150 is not legit. Players apply and then the director asks each club coach to rank the applicants. Only those ranked the highest number will get invited. So essentially your club coach decides who gets in. Its very $$$ and college coaches do not go.

Juniors open. Club directors also asked for top players list to get direct invitations. That mean zero. They still have to pay. Once the reg link goes out anyone can register with application.
Lots of good coaches. Do this one

Ok. The. I have another Question. How many were at your daughters four other games? Most I saw was three at mine. 20-40 coaches a game at my daughters tournament games on a weekend that I don’t have to spend 1000k extra for. Was a straight up money grab.

Yeah I think Juniors is the same process. Only difference is you have to pay an application / evaluationfee for. Daughter applied. Club director got an email from Juniors asking for the ok. My daughter along with 10 of her teammates weee there. 😁

Juniors is actually more than UA150. Both are scams. Not worth it. Well not scams. Money grab. The only scam is Maryland Showcase. That one should be arrested for what she does.

How much was Juniors?

Just about 800 if you include the application

Your definition of Juniors must mean about 15-20. Most of them hanging out with each other. I did notice USF coaches were scouting hard

Yes, Juniors is expensive . However, you do get what you pay for with that one! There is a lot of college coaches in attendance and the team coaches do a good job in playing the players pretty fairly. Good one to do recruiting year.

Just another shameless Junior Open plug. They’ve been at it since last year. “Anonymous” - hardly

Yeah, you definitely get your monies worth. Now cut the check.

Good advice!

Sorry but if you don't listen to your recruiting directors, then you will end up wasting thousands of additional $$. Having a connected recruiting director is the number one reason to pay big $$ for a top club.

Given how the college recruiting process is managed through intermediaries until Sept. 1, then you are fool not to listen to the ones who cn actually talk to college colleges. You shouldn't be attending a summer prospect day if you haven't already received positive feedback from those schools

The kids who don't get offers are often the ones who are targeting top 25 schools, despite not getting any positive feedback from these schools before Sept 1.

- "Having a connected recruiting director is the number one reason to pay big $$ for a top club." -

No.

Not sure who you are or if you are affiliated with Juniors but this is as the kids say, “Cap.” There was more coaches watching a game vs two 50th ranked clubs at Lax for thr Cure than was actually watching any of
My daughters game. Oh by the way. 25 kids were on her team. 🙄. Tons of touches there.

I would say no to this just because Juniors had 25 kids to a roster. That was ridiculous. How many touches are you getting to justify 800$. Complete money grab.

I think your last paragraph is key. But it’s not that simple. Your kid could want to play for a team, go there and get out on the radar. But I think I agree. Don’t go to summer camps. Go to fall camps when you know a team is interested. If I could do over again, I would’ve saved a few thousand in camps.

Agree. We're waiting on interest to spend money. One D2 contacted the club recruiting director, but several directly contacted my daughter without ever talking to the club. She didn't even target D2 schools and only sent 5 or so emails total to D2 schools. One D1 (top 25) has contacted the club requesting her to attend a camp, so we are planning that one. From what we've heard from a lot of 24s and 23s, they had no prior knowledge of any interest before they were contacted on 6/15 or 9/1. Some might disagree, but we see no point in spending large amounts of money begging a small number of schools for attention. If there's interest, we'll return it in due kind. She'll pick from who wants her instead of begging schools to take her.

Same boat. She was contacted on June 15 by three top 5 D2 teams and a host of others. Had no idea they were interested. Never emailed them. Her club has never told her anyone is interested. Gonna assume she will be contacted by a few on Sept 1 and go from there. Not going to camps in the summer without knowing interest. That being said, the D2 teams wanted her to come to their summer camps, but my daughter wants to play D1 so we’ll wait till September

Just went through all this. Some advice:

1. Keep aggressively emailing coaches. They want to know that your daughter wants to be a part of their program.

2. You will more than likely be contacted by programs that your daughter did not express interest in. Keep all options open.

3. For your daughters top choices, she may be contacted, but not be their number one or two. My daughter got the post cards and calls on Sept 1, but there were a couple other ES others ahead of her. Whereas other programs , many which may be better academic and or lacrosse programs may have her much higher. Happened to my daughter. Screw them and go where you are wanted.

4. Take your official visits and see what the campus is all about. If your daughter is high on the list, they will usually give you time. My daughter did burn bridges with one saying she wanted to do more visits. But she probably would not have gone there anyway. A coach should not pressure the decision in my opinion.

5. We went to two camps prior to Sept. 1, one was a disaster because it was 100 degrees and my daughter was gassed after the drills. Second was OK, but would not do it again in hindsight. Several of the schools that contacted and heavily recruited my daughter, we were told only recruit from camps. So please do not think that going to camps is going to get your daughter recruited. It’s a scam.

6. Majority of schools like to recruit wealthy families. They will not outright tell you this, but look at the rosters. Do not disclose any financial info unless absolutely necessary. Do the financial calculator. Hide your money in tax sheltered accounts. If your adjusted income is less that $150K you will get far more than any athletic scholarship. My daughter gets a $70K need based scholarship with that income.

7. Go to the best academic school that has decent lacrosse and gives you the most money. Nobody cares about lacrosse but the parents and coaches. You definitely do not want your daughter at a losing program, but any school that has a chance at a conference championship is a good bet. Get a great degree, that’s most important!

Good luck!!

In regards to number 3, do they tell you where she is on their list?

Some yes, others you kind of know if they don’t invite you to the first visit. It’s really a game of chess. We were lucky because we had a great bunch of schools to choose from.

Quality advice. We've known from the beginning that lacrosse wouldn't be a career, but that it could open doors. It's opened the door to a top boarding school that she would never have even considered had they not recruited her and offered a scholarship. The boarding school and lacrosse can, we hope, open doors that would have stayed closed without them.

Just advice from a parent that had 2 daughters go through recruiting the last few years. We as parents always at least slightly over estimate our kids ability, it
's what us parent do. This may be obvious to many, but may help a few. The Monsters, YJ, Grizzlies, M&D, Skywalkers, Steps, 180, etc clubs account for the most of the top 10 schools recruits. If you are not a top player at a top club, then you have to be honest about how few spot are open at the top 15 schools. The top clubs in the Northeast also send a ton of girls to the top academics and the right high school is a factor with these schools.

If your daughter is not a top 1-2 player on a decent club, then academics really have to drive your targets, not that academics isn't the most important factor for most. If lacrosse can get your daughter into a great school, you have won the recruiting game!

It's no fun sitting the bench 4 years at college, go to a school you feel you are at least in the top half of the recruiting class. Lacrosse has a few hundred teams, but the sport's growth has created tremendous competition at the collegiate level. The girls that play at the top 40 programs are great athletes with superior skills that play a different type of lacrosse that is easy to pick out. If you have to say my daughter may not be a great athlete, but she can do.....then be honest with your expecations as a parent. Your daughter probably knows what level of competition she can compete with.

That’s the problem but. A 15-16 year old is making that decision. Not a 45-55 year old parent. My daughter will be picking her school by the best team that wants her unless she grows up and gets common sense between now and October. This has been talked about on her about playing time or going to a top team. I’m on the team of how can you go somewhere and not play for four years. And now with the transfer portal, that could happen to a lot more kids at the top.

Some things to keep in mind:

The recruiting process will let you and your daughter know where she stands in relation to her peers at a given point in time (yes, it changes).

If your daughter is receiving offers from Top 10 Programs on September 1 she is obviously a student and will most likely be able to choose whatever school she wants. Not the case for most.

The majority of players will have to wait and see where the top players choose to go because once the top players make their selections the other schools that wanted them will have to move down their list to players who they had ranked lower on their list. This is a cycle that will repeat several times, each time a player commits to a school, the coaches at other schools will move on to the next player (s) on their list.

If coaches are willing to talk to your daughter but not make an offer it is likely because they are trying to land a player who they have ranked higher than your daughter. It doesn't take long for coaches to evaluate players in order to form an opinion. Stay in contact because things can and do change quickly.

Players ride the bench at every level. Pick a school that your daughter thinks she will be happy at if lacrosse doesn't go as planned. Always remember, it's okay to transfer if the kid is not happy with school, lacrosse, social life, distance from home, size of school, type of school etc...

The recruiting process is an "individual" process, help your daughter to remain positive throughout her journey. Remember, "comparison is theft of joy".

There are a ton of opportunities out there for all who want to continue playing.

A few more things to add from someone who has gone through it. Yes, it’s an honor to be recruited to a school like UNC or Northwestern, but consider the commitment. It’s very different than Princeton, Stanford, ND. If you have very academically motivated daughter, she may not be able to take on a difficult major. Hard to play for a NC caliber team and get difficult work done in the classroom. How many lax players are computer science majors? You really need to decide what is most important. The other things to seriously consider is the facilities. Is there an indoor facility if the climate is cold? How far is the practice field from the dorm. For example, at Yale you need to take a bus to practice, yuk. How does the school/professors treat student athletes? Northwestern and Stanford love them. Harvard could care less. These are just schools I’m familiar with.

Some good points. Thank you. Gonna have my daughter add that question to coaches. Not sure she’ll get a straight answer but it’s a good one to ask.

all great info , but for many this is the point after three major events that the bench players on top teams realized it might have been better to go somewhere else and actually play and be seen

happens every year without fail , but go back three years and all they talk about is how great the practices are and that they will play in the recruiting years

Not sure my daughter at 16 is mature enough to see down the road in five years where she’s 21 and is sitting the bench on the number 5 team. Good flex in High School to say you are going to BC, NW UNC etc. but when you get there and don’t play, I think there may be some regrets. That’s why you see many of these transfers these days.

There are players that sit on the bench on every team … Dl, Dll, Dlll… not everyone gets meaningful game time.

100%!!! I know of a few commits that will never see the field. They played well at a few recruiting events, and after that, meh. College and HS are two completely different animals. My advice is to go the the best academic school with job connections that is competitive at least in their conference, and you have a decent chance of seeing playing time. Otherwise, t’s not going to be fun, unless you like being part of the “celly” committee. You can watch your daughter on the side line “rowing a boat” after someone else scores. That sounds like fun. Drive 7 hours to see her because maybe she’ll get in if it’s a blowout. Also remember those looong bus rides just to dress in a uni and stand on the side. Be very careful of what you wish for.

As an earlier post stated:

"There are players that sit on the bench on every team … Dl, Dll, Dlll… not everyone gets meaningful
game time."

Not every player on the team will get a lot of game time. That holds true across the board at every level.

I guess the "everybody gets a trophy" mindset is alive and well.

It sounds like some of you should have had your child focus on an individual sport.

But my point is she wouldn’t have to sit the bench if she goes to another team that isn’t top 20.

Wrong, girls sit on every team. Some very talented players also don’t get the “green light”. Take Charlotte North for example. She transferred and a star was born

Dolt. I’m talking about my daughter.

Hmm. While I was talking about what I think MY daughter should do you decided to tell me I’m wrong. But I’ll respond to your point since you provided such a beautiful example of Charlotte North. Please tell me how Ms North scored over 140 goals at Duke while watching on the sidelines. I’ll wait. Good point. 👍

You do realize that during recruiting, everyone is told they will play. And honestly, the coach probably somewhat means it. But the reality is very different. Even if you think your daughter is heading to a program where she will definitely play, she may not. I’ve seen it many many times.

Love the anonymous websites where people call out other people on here. Charlotte North. Good example bro.

For clarification. I know that girls sit on the bench at all levels. My point isthat my daughter rather get recruited to BC or NW and sit the bench then go to a school say the 70th ranked team and start as a freshman. Now you would also assume that if BC is recruiting you, you should be able to start on a team like Sienna or BU. I’ll even change it. I rather my daughter go to a great school and play D2 then watch her be a cheerleader at a top school in the NCAA finals every year. Just my point of view. Other kids are fine with that and that’s great.
Btw. Don’t go on sites telling people they’re wrong an out their opinions and then use an example that makes zero sense. I’m still laughing at your Charlotte North example. Quite possibly the best example of someone on this site anonymously showing they have no clue.

No decent coach will ever promise playing time. Good ones will promise a chance to compete for playing time. Players need to evaluate where they honestly stack up.

All a player can ask for if reps in practice (which not all teams give backups). After that, its up to them.

Absolutely most coaches are gonna tell the kid whatever they want but it was clear from my post that I was talking about not taking a top 5 spot and going lower where you can absolutely play. Once again. For the people in the back. If you are making a spot on NW you are playing on E Stroudsberg or Radford

Wrong, girls sit on every team. Some very talented players also don’t get the “green light”. Take Charlotte North for example. She transferred and a star was born[/quote]

Wow. Tell me you know nothing about girls lacrosse without telling me you know nothing about girls lacrosse

Also realize that despite being a top school, lax girls at NW, BC, etc can't take any challenging majors. Pretty much 90% of the team is majoring in communications, sociology or economics/business. Great if you are interested in that, but if you are looking for anything math, science or research related, you should probably be looking at other schools.

Credit to Jenny Levy. UNC is probably the only top program who allows girls to major in sciences.

Nobody is turning down Northwestern for Radford. That is just silly. Education first.If your daughter got hurt, where would she want to be. I could see trading a spot at Northwestern for lets say Georgetown or Vanderbilt, that would make more sense if you’re just looking for playing time.

That is an ignorant statement. You have no idea if she would sit the bench or not.

How about Northwestern for Tufts is that better

🤦🏻‍♂️ I’m sure this has to be the CN poster. Let’s see. Ignorant statement that if you get recruited by a top 5 team that you will be playing on a lower team or d2. So. YOur daughter is able to get recruited to BC but you think she won’t play on a team like…….say, LaSalle. 👍

Please mark all your posts with I’m the guy who said CN didn’t play at Duke. Therefore I won’t waste my time responding to you

Please mark all your posts with I’m the guy who said CN didn’t play at Duke. Therefore I won’t waste my time responding to you

Players sit on the bench at every program, not just the Top Programs.

This is exhausting.

Not really. Tufts has a very good woman’s lacrosse program. Lots of talented girls sit bench there too. As for CN, she was not a star on Duke. Yes she played, but she was not able to showcase her true ability. Which is why she transferred. Think about it. She was/is a great lacrosse player. She transferred from Duke, a better academic school, to BC, where the coaching is clearly much better. She made the trade off for more playing time, and it paid off big for her.

Keep moving the goal post buddy. Not a star on Duke?
Dude go post on a quidditch forum. She scored 82 friggin goals the year she transferred. At Duke. LMAO. BOTC Hall of Famer! Doubled down on your stupidity.

I still can’t. Left BC More playing time. 🤡

Clearly you have no clue why she left Duke. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure it out. You should do some research. Also, congratulations of your daughter’s commitment to E. Stroudsberg. I’m sure she’ll never come off the field and you both will be very happy.